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March 28, 2024 - On Brand

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OB #49 - George Galloway

British politician and human-shaped bag of conflicting ideas George Galloway came on Russell's show to say both excellent and terrible things. Support us on Patreon! - patreon.com/OnBrand Buy a magnet! - actualreallivegoldrighthere

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	This is propaganda live.
	I only suggest how to take him out of the boat.
	Extraordinary cultural moment.
	Already iconic.
	Already iconic.
	We love you.
	You're welcome here.
	Where did this guy come from?
	It's like he's been doing it for ages.
	He's very confident.
	Plainly, and this is a matter now of fact and record, I'm right wing.
	I feel that Christ may have had a better vision.
	Is this misinformation or is Vivek Ramaswamy in the lavatory?
	That's sort of like a poem.
	Is this Eminem?
	Man, if we didn't come together in that stream, I'm assuming it was just the feet.
	Now these are the kind of conversations I think that the legacy media can no longer compete with.
	Win win win win win win win This is On Brand, a podcast where we discuss- The win-win-win-win-win gets me every time!
	I have to be desensitized.
	Win-win-win-win-win-win-win-win-win-win.
	Okay.
	Where we discuss the ideas and antics of one, win-win-win-win-win-win-win, Russell Brand.
	I'm Al Worth, and each week I go through an episode of Brand's Show with my co-host Lauren B. That's me, I'm Lauren B. And I have no idea what we will be tackling today, but it's usually not very good, and even some might say bad.
	Almost invariably bad, which is why we do the good thing before the bad thing.
	Lauren, what is your good thing this week?
	Ha!
	Ha ha!
	Uh, I have successfully...
	So it seems like it's easy to do social media and sell stuff from the outside.
	Or you know that it's hard, but people still manage to do it.
	And everyone that's good at it is a personal insult to me.
	I'm kidding.
	Not really.
	But it does make me feel a little terrible every time I see anyone else doing it well.
	And I'm like, oh, I'm bad.
	I can't.
	And this weekend, I'm good.
	I did the launch of new shrines.
	It's on Instagram is where you can see stuff, but obviously you can access a website from anywhere.
	And that's cool and fine.
	I did accidentally not count until I had to list them all.
	I made 50 new shrines.
	Whoa.
	Oh.
	Oops.
	So as of today, there's still a bunch that are available, which is cool.
	And that's not really my good thing.
	That's the setup to the good thing.
	Instagram finally fucking approved and set up the shop.
	So you can shop from Instagram.
	I've been trying for fucking years because they like when they tell you there's an issue, they don't tell you what it is or why you just like he's there's a community guidelines.
	I'm like, well, I think I'm following all those rules kind of to a T.
	And your system hasn't updated my items in like two years.
	What are we doing?
	Or just like, just things will break when you're trying, you know, like you'll just get whatever the new version, the new myriad versions of like 404 error and like, but what else can I do?
	Nothing?
	Oh, oh, you just can't select the thing that you told me to?
	Oh, and I've been doing that for years and it finally worked.
	So I have a whole new nightmare I'm sure that I'll have to deal with at some point, but it fucking worked like a charm and I'm psyched about that.
	I'm very, very, it's like really exciting.
	That's really cool.
	Like, really exciting that the thing that I've been trying to do finally fucking worked.
	And also, yeah, I mean, the stuff is also cool.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Sending things to people is also cool.
	Everyone go to Lauren's Instagram.
	It's at made.by.lauren.b.
	Or if you want to look at the site, there's a link in the description that'll take you to a magnet.
	To the magnets.
	Have a look around at the rest of the shop.
	There's some cool shit there.
	Yeah, thank you.
	But yeah, it's... I made too many.
	I think.
	I didn't know I was doing that, and so I wasn't sure, you know, like after the drop or whatever, if I could report back and be like, well, it went great and we're done.
	No, because I overshot by quite a bit.
	Usually people do like 15 to 20 pieces.
	I mean, yeah, everyone go take a look.
	Whoopsie doodle!
	I'm not going to say I've not been there.
	In my very first terrible band when I was a teenager, and I've told you about that and an off-brand before, but the initial CD run that we did, the people who were printing the CDs Wait, the band that you won't tell us the name or tell anything about?
	The one that I won't tell you the name of.
	The one that you actively are hiding from all of us?
	That exact one!
	That exact one.
	No one should look or find it ever, oh man.
	That'd be terrible.
	Yeah, the CDs were late, and it happens a lot, and it's fine.
	And what happened was, they still arrived in time for our release gigs and everything, so I was fine.
	I was like, okay, cool.
	But what happened was, to apologize for that, the people making the CDs made twice the amount that we'd ordered.
	As an apology.
	And I'm like, that's great, but I still have boxes of those CDs sat in the garage.
	That's the situation I'm in.
	They sent you a bunch of coasters, but they did.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	This is worse.
	I would have rather just not done this, but fine.
	I will say, I'm very lucky that I get cranky.
	I also get tired of my art very quickly.
	I get very annoyed that it's still around.
	In a way that is not logical or reasonable.
	That's a that's a that's a MP.
	That's a my problem as a me problem.
	I get too impatient.
	And but usually like stuff doesn't hang around very long.
	I can find a place where people will see it.
	But man getting this set up.
	Holy shit.
	It's like a I'm underselling my contentedness hard, which is not me.
	But also, I'm kind of bragging on myself, so obviously that's why I'm like, well, it's fine and it's good, I guess.
	Anyway, that's my good thing.
	Yes, you should be proud and very, very happy.
	Snoopy dance should be... The thing worked!
	A thing worked?
	What?
	Who am I?
	What am I doing, right?
	Anyway, so yeah, what's your good thing?
	So my good thing this week is I finally managed to carve out a few hours and I went to go and see Dune II.
	Finally got around to going to see that.
	Only a couple of months later, but it's still just about in my local cinema and they do They do one night a week where it's like £4 for the ticket and I'm like, hell yeah, let's go do that.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it was great.
	That's amazing.
	Tiny little screen, independent cinema or whatever, fine.
	I had a great time.
	And yeah, great movie.
	Really enjoyed it.
	All the things you can expect.
	The two movies thus far have been kind of slow.
	They take a bit to really kind of sink your teeth into.
	And I like that.
	I like a slow movie.
	Lots of politics and prophecy and intrigue and stuff.
	Great.
	You're signing up for that.
	That is like Exactly, exactly.
	A hundred percent.
	My favorite parts of Game of Thrones were all the politics sat around a table.
	I'm like, yes, that's fantastic.
	Give me more.
	I also like the dragon fights, but what are you going to do?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I can't complain at that.
	And yeah, there's war, there's duels, there's giant worms.
	And every time they were on screen, in the back of my mind was Tom Curry saying the words, giant worms.
	Which any cognitive dissonance listeners will appreciate, I'm sure.
	But yeah, that's funny.
	Yeah, that's popped in my head.
	Because I hear people are talking about it and everybody says it's great, which is very cool.
	Yeah, really nice.
	It's very cool for people's expectations to actually- it was like Barbie and Oppenheimer, like the Barbenheimer.
	People's like expectations were high and then they were like met and there's this like I don't even need to be and I don't need to be a fan like I want to see them I'm like I'm also a binger obviously so I want to like you know have my own experience with it but um Yeah, that like, having people's like, expectations be met, even if you're not, like, I'm so happy for people, like, the Taylor Swift movie, perfect example.
	Like, God, I could not give less of a single solitary shift.
	A molecule of a shit.
	I couldn't give.
	But people being excited and singing and dancing and having a good time in the theater.
	Oh, I've had other experiences that are similar where people are very excited.
	Everybody's into it.
	We're all having this collective moment.
	It's very cool.
	I'm so thrilled for everyone that gets to have It doesn't have to reverse mortgage their house to go see Taylor Swift, but still feel like they have a concert-going experience.
	I'm so happy for everyone.
	It's just cool.
	It's just neat.
	Yeah!
	It is great.
	I feel like my only comparable experience to that is going to see the Rocky Horror Picture Show or something.
	That's where I've been, in a theatre where everyone's singing along and dancing.
	You're also in the UK, so I think that Americans are a little more loosey-goosey with their experience.
	That's absolutely accurate, yes, 100%.
	ALICE Yeah.
	Though, British people will still sing along in the fuckin', um, in the West End, in like the musicals and stuff, there are people who just, y'know, sing along, sat next to you, like, what are you doing?
	LAUREN Okay, well now you're describing a jerk.
	That's... that's different.
	ALICE Yes, that's a universal problem.
	LAUREN Yeah.
	I did not pay to hear you.
	Exactly.
	I did not pay to hear you.
	Yeah.
	Oh dear.
	But yeah, Dune.
	Great, thoroughly enjoyable.
	That's fun!
	Looking forward to the third one.
	I know a lot of conservatives are going to not enjoy the twist.
	I know.
	And somehow, mercifully, they don't see it coming.
	So that's going to be a fun experience when that comes out for so many reasons.
	And a bargain, and I'm here for a bargain also, literally every time.
	Absolutely, absolutely.
	And supporting independent cinema, which should always be... Oh, they've disintegrated here.
	Yeah, very few here, very few here.
	I'm very lucky to have this one.
	Yeah.
	Ah, dear.
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	This week, we took a look at the drag bans being struck down in courts across the US, and the SA allegations against drag performer Shangela.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, very much Shangela.
	I did our Pink News Queerty Roundup.
	Yes, yes.
	Well, you know, definitely, definitely your kind of field of expertise.
	Yeah, I didn't know.
	I didn't know.
	I didn't know that I was so thoroughly informed.
	But also like we weren't talking about the salacious stuff because you can find the salacious stuff anywhere.
	I think that talking about like the the concern as far as how it like, I don't know, it just sucks how much this stuff intersects with famous people and power exploitation.
	And we talked about P. Diddy a couple of weeks ago, and then FBI raid on two coasts, so I might have a bit of a nose for terrible news, maybe?
	Well, I mean, you say that according to P. Diddy, it's a witch hunt, so...
	Shocking.
	I'm so shocked.
	Right.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Oh dear.
	I'm actually very worried.
	I'm very scared about what's going to come out.
	It's going to be really bad.
	Yes, it's going to be way worse than any of us anticipated.
	I don't think I'll be revisiting if it's gnarly.
	I think that one time, y'all can find it.
	It's easy.
	It's right there.
	Yeah, a couple of weeks back.
	We'll see if we have to come back to it or not.
	I feel like the news is going to be very, very public, so we might not have to.
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	Now, I was quietly hoping for a more Russell-centric show this week, as I do enjoy diving into his thoughts and whims, but a name cropped- You lied to everyone.
	You just lied.
	There's a morbid curiosity.
	To everybody.
	But a name cropped up in his interview list that I knew we would have to cover.
	In fact, I was sidetracked a couple of weeks back and led down a rabbit hole looking into this person, and that's without them even having been on the show yet.
	Except now they're here on Stay Free, so let's let Russell introduce the guest.
	You Awakening Wonders, thanks for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brandt today.
	It's an important interview with George Galloway that we are bringing with you.
	If you're watching us on YouTube, we'll be available there for the first 15 minutes, but then we will be exclusively available on that sweet stream of freedom that we call Rumble, because this is a critical moment Not only in British politics, but in the fight against the globalist establishment in your country and in our country.
	For the first 15 minutes, we'll be talking to George Galloway here on YouTube about the war, about the Uniparty, about our slide towards techno-feudalism, and about what we can do to oppose it.
	Mmm, in your country and in our country, because his audience is overwhelmingly American.
	So it occurs to me, you and many of our listeners in the US might not be familiar with George Galloway.
	What do you know about the guy?
	I am.
	Yeah, I am.
	I am.
	But I want to start pre- oops.
	I mean, I don't.
	It's better for the show if I pretend I don't.
	No, it's fine.
	It's fine.
	You're allowed to know things.
	Like, no, I can't.
	Like, I can, you know, you can hide from Russell, but you can't hide from the world.
	How bullshit is it?
	Yeah, yeah.
	But also I'm weird, so like I'm a weird crazy.
	The media spaces you like to enjoy will cover these kinds of people.
	I do like to be informed against my better, against self-care.
	So for anyone who doesn't know, George Galloway is a British politician, broadcaster and writer who has served as a Member of Parliament for Rochdale since the very recent 2024 by-election.
	He has been the leader of the Workers' Party of Britain since he founded it in 2019, but he's been a politician for a long, long time.
	So from 1987 to 2015, Galloway served as MP for four constituencies, first for the Labour Party and then from 2005 for the Respect Party, which he later led from 2013.
	Terrible name.
	Which he later led from 2013.
	That was a great name!
	Disillusioned.
	Because the branding, it's already there, like Aretha Franklin gave you your brand, handed it to you on a platter.
	That's perfect.
	Man, she would sue the shit out of him.
	She's, well, she's no longer with us and whatnot.
	Oh yes, yes, this is true.
	But difficult to do posthumously.
	Yeah, politicians can just use song style.
	At least here they can.
	Yeah, they just like to do that.
	Misbranding opportunity, I think, is what I'm wanting in this moment.
	Yeah, so many of those among this sphere, isn't there?
	Yeah, and he later led the Respect Party from 2013 until its dissolution in 2016.
	So they were a left-wing to far-left socialist party.
	And at the height of their success in 2007, they had one member of parliament in the House of Commons, who was George Galloway, and 19 councillors in local government.
	Galloway himself is Scottish with Irish parents and was raised Roman Catholic though he has very strong ties to Islam with a couple of his former wives having been Muslim and George himself having spent a lot of time in Iraq and the Middle East in the 90s and He later was accused of being on the take from Saddam Hussein's government, who were funding Galloway partly from money diverted from the United Nations Oil for Food program.
	He had to defend himself at a 2005 US Senate hearing on that score, and said it was all false and that the documents showing Galloway as an allocation holder of Iraqi oil were made up.
	It was all a smokescreen, according to him.
	Ultimately, unfortunately, that went nowhere.
	In terms of broadcasting, in 2012 Galloway was a presenter with the Iran-aligned Lebanese Al-Mayadeen TV station.
	Al-Mayadeen reportedly has connections with Iran and the Assad government in Syria and has been accused of supporting the Assad government, a claim which Galloway later rejected.
	And then in November 2013, Galloway and his wife Gayatri began to present Sputnik for the RT network.
	Yeah, Russia Today.
	I wonder where he stands on the Ukraine war.
	For the period November 2013 to February 2015, Galloway was paid £100,000 for his appearances on RT, which was the highest payment to any British politician working for that channel.
	Nowadays, Galloway is doing his own thing called the Mother of All Talk Shows with George Galloway.
	He loves a good name, this guy.
	Recent guests include the likes of Wet Lettuce Jackson Hinkle and Alt-Right Anti-Vax Outrage Baiter Kim Iverson.
	Just to give you a little flavor for who we're dealing with.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	As to why I got sent down a rabbit hole with this guy a little while ago, well, you might be getting a sense of it already.
	We've spoken about cognitive dissonance on this show, the idea of holding two conflicting ideas in your head at the same time, and the sort of mental anguish that can and probably should cause If cognitive dissonance were in any way consistent among the population, a man like George Galloway should not exist, because the sheer volume of conflicting ideas and ideals would kill a regular human being.
	He describes himself as socialist or left-wing, but socially conservative, which is already enough of a red flag.
	No.
	No.
	That's not.
	Nope.
	Exactly.
	Already like, no, you can't have... But then you start to look at the things he seemingly believes, and it's just a confusing time all round.
	For instance, he was one of the most vocal opponents of the Iraq War, and just a few years ago was talking about prosecuting one of our politicians over it.
	Like, however many years post the thing.
	And yet, when it comes to Ukraine, well, he claims that Putin is, quote, not Vlad the Mad or Bad, and that the people have been lied to about him.
	So, you know, it feels like something of a double standard.
	He's fiercely anti-NATO as well, and blames the Ukraine war on NATO and the West.
	In terms of Scottish independence, he supports devolution for Scotland, so more independence and less involvement from British Parliament, but opposes Scottish independence itself.
	As in like the concept of Scotland actually leaving the UK.
	Yeah.
	On a similar note, in 2014 Galloway said he'd be campaigning to remain in the EU as, according to him, anyone with brain cells will also be doing.
	However, he later reversed that position and was then cozying up to Nigel Farage during the Brexit campaign.
	Yeah, a lot of people on both sides of the aisle did not like that, and Galloway responded, quote, we are not pals, we are allies in one cause, like Churchill and Stalin, unquote, which led to me being like, well, which is which?
	I'm really curious in his mind, which he thinks he's Churchill.
	Either, I mean, okay.
	Yeah, either, not great.
	He said it!
	No one made him say it!
	These are his words.
	That's not an accusation that was spurious made by a publication.
	He said it.
	Okay.
	Either way, a lot of blood on your hands.
	In 2019, Galloway defended the authorities' crackdown on protests in Hong Kong.
	He told China Global Television Network, quote, these people should know that Hong Kong is China.
	No country, absolutely no country, will allow an existential threat to emerge on its territory."
	And yet, George Galloway is about as anti-Israel and anti-Zionist as it could possibly get, and has been a vocal, vehement supporter of Palestine since the 1980s.
	That's confusing.
	Right!
	And even if we look at Galloway's description of his own party, he said there, quote, the working class patriotic alternative to fake, woke, anti-British labour.
	And later on their website it says the Workers' Party, quote, defend the achievements of the USSR, China, Cuba, etc., not least the debt owed to humanity by the Soviet Union and Red Army in their war of liberation against German fascism.
	And I'm like, who's patriotic and who's anti-British?
	There's so much!
	The reason I got distracted by the guy was like...
	There's such a rabbit hole of confusing ideas.
	I'm just like, how do you exist?
	How does this person, how has this person come to exist in this world today?
	That's so interesting.
	It feels like it's just it's like only dog whistles because like that issue, you know, I think
	I mean, here's the thing, which is very unfortunate about, you know, like that USSR,
	like his whole kind of that was a dog whistle, because it hasn't really like there's there's a
	lot of reasons that we need to reckon with why things went the way they did. And
	And so, like, that's a dog whistle, but I don't know to who.
	Because I'm like, yeah, we should absolutely address and understand and embrace other ways of governing and other types of governing that we don't.
	As my country makes it incredibly unfair, insane, and hostile to the concept.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I'm like, yeah, OK, but what?
	But then what?
	Yeah, yeah.
	How do all of these things sit in the same head?
	I do not understand how this man exists on a daily basis.
	Already, my mind is exploding just a little bit.
	So, let's have his first moments on the show with Russell, after a bit of a brambly question from Russell.
	And who better to talk to you about that than our guest today, the great George Galloway, a man who has once again taken Parliament by the scruff of the neck, has bruised little Rishi Sunak and given him a new nickname in the process, the Member of Parliament for Rochdale, George Galloway.
	Thanks for coming on.
	Stay free today.
	Welcome.
	Always a pleasure.
	Privileged to talk with you in a brilliant jacket, by the way.
	Excellent.
	Thank you so much for spontaneously noticing that jacket, George.
	Now, what people say about you, even within the legacy media, is that you are a street-fighting politician who knows how to win elections.
	There is some division because you have come to prominence, of course, on a powerful mandate against the ongoing Massacre or genocide is perhaps the term you would use to describe the thousands and thousands of deaths that are taking place in Gaza right now, to a degree, supported by arms provided from the United States of America and certainly not opposed or shut down by either our country or by the United States of America.
	I wonder, given that overnight images have been released of drone strikes within Gaza that appear to be striking civilians, how you feel about that ongoing conflict?
	What your victory as a Member of Parliament for Rochdale signifies about domestic populations' views regarding this conflict and others in the UK and the United States of America?
	Well, my blood runs alternately boiling hot and chilled cold because I've seen so much now.
	I've never seen so much in my whole life.
	Wholesale slaughter of the innocents for the most part.
	72% of all the dead and mutilated people in Gaza were women or children, mothers and their children very often.
	It is unconscionable that this has been allowed to go on for so long.
	It would not have been allowed to go on for so long were the attack dog in question not been permanently attached.
	Tack dog of the United States and of Great Britain.
	We invented the State of Israel.
	We promised it to a small group, actually, of English Jews at the time of the Balfour Declaration.
	We promised them the land which belonged to a third people, namely the Palestinian people, and then we descended.
	Down this bloody staircase to the hell that we're watching today.
	And so sometimes I'm boiling mad.
	Sometimes tears are running down my cheeks.
	Sometimes my heart feels numb at the sheer scale and nature of the slaughter.
	And they say that I ran my by-election on Gaza.
	Well, if I did, then Gaza won.
	And the political class needs to take heed of it.
	Because I didn't just win, Russell, I beat the Tories, Labour, Liberal Democrat and Reform all together.
	I got more votes than all of them put together.
	That is a landslide.
	And if a landslide was achieved in a kind of referendum on Gaza, then Gaza won.
	So what are the governing parties going to do about it?
	Okay.
	Now, I'm not going to relitigate any of the Arab-Israeli War of 1948 like George there, but I will say I agree with his sentiments on the current genocide, largely.
	There weren't any particular red flags there for me.
	No, me neither.
	I was like, tell me what's wrong, because...
	Yeah, this is fine.
	Now, Galloway is not an overt anti-Semite, and his commentary almost always comes just up to the line but never quite crosses it.
	And again, being anti-Zionist is not the same as anti-Semitism, but there can be an overlapping ideology, obviously.
	To this point, when Galloway made an appearance on Infowars with Alex Jones back in 2005, he said, quote, This is the thing about Zionism.
	It has nothing to do with Jewishness.
	Some of the biggest Zionists in the world are not Jews.
	These people have used Jewish people.
	They created the conditions in the Arab countries and in some European countries to stampede Jewish people out of the countries that they have been living in for many hundreds of years and stampede them into the Zionist state."
	He also said in 2009, quote, Oh, wait, that's totally true.
	And like, that's OK.
	Yeah.
	Yes, yeah, that's fine, that's fine.
	He also said in 2009, quote, I do not agree with the argument that there is a shadowy Jewish influence.
	Israel is doing what America wants it to do, and to argue otherwise is to go down the dark tunnel of racist antisemitism, unquote.
	Okay, okay, fine, but completely, yeah.
	However, when you take a look at the Workers' Party members, you know, his party, they sometimes get a little bit more outspoken.
	Most prominent being Chris Williamson, the former Labour shadow minister and MP, who is now with the Workers' Party, who has said that, quote, Israel has forfeited any right to exist.
	That Israel, quote, has behaved worse than Nazis.
	Okay, there can probably be a debate on that score at this moment.
	But he also says, quote, Israel must be destroyed.
	The line I was talking about, Chris Williamson, definitely crosses the line there.
	He is the deputy leader of the Workers' Party, which leads me to wonder whether Galloway's views go in a similar kind of direction.
	Yeah, I still don't.
	I mean, I think that the people that live in Israel shouldn't be destroyed but it's a colonial project that needs to be reckoned with and no one's doing it and no one has done it for a long time.
	And we pay for their healthcare and their government, but we don't get to have any.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, as an American taxpayer, I got a lot of fucking feelings about it.
	And yeah, it was a Band-Aid excuse that hasn't worked.
	And it was racist, like, all the choices were racist to begin with that made it happen.
	Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Terrible, terrible conceptually from start to finish.
	You know, I do feel like, however, the distinction you made between Israel, the government, and Israel, the people, is not necessarily one that Chris Williamson is making.
	And the concept of Israel being destroyed is strong language, let's put it that way.
	I will listen for context, sure.
	In terms of accusations of Galloway running his election on Gaza, well that absolutely is a fair criticism.
	The area in which the by-election was taking place has a pretty significant Muslim population, and George ran almost exclusively on a platform of opposition to the genocide happening in Palestine.
	I don't disagree with the sentiment, but this was political opportunism at its most blatant.
	Most blatant?
	I would say so, honestly.
	George is an independent, being the only member of parliament with his Workers' Party of Britain, and so he's already pretty powerless.
	The concept of any individual politician running on a platform of somehow ending the genocide is laughable unless he was the Prime Minister of the UK or the President of the US.
	And even then, Netanyahu doesn't even seem to give a shit whether he has their signal or not.
	Yeah, wow. Yeah, wow.
	Oh, yeah. So...
	...is ridiculous.
	In any case, George is claiming that he won a landslide election in a kind of referendum on Gaza, that he won more votes than all the other major parties combined.
	And Galloway received 12,335 votes, which was more than the other major parties combined, that is true.
	But you do have to exclude independent David Tully from the results, who came in second and got 6,500 votes.
	You do have to kind of remove him from that equation.
	But still, he wasn't lying.
	Now, this by-election was held because the last guy who was in office, Labour's Sir Tony Lloyd, died this year.
	Labour were standing another candidate, Azhar Ali, only Labour removed their endorsement of him because he was too vocal on the Palestinian genocide.
	Yeah, they may regret that decision.
	Yeah, no shit!
	Labour then essentially didn't run a candidate, which left Galloway with a wide open field on the left.
	I mentioned that Galloway received 12,000 votes and he considers this to be a landslide victory in a turnout of 31,000 voters.
	I do wonder, in that case, what he must think of his predecessor, Tony Lloyd, who in 2019 gained nearly 25,000 votes out of a 47,000 voter turnout.
	45,000 votes out of a 47,000 voter turnout.
	Because, you know, if Galloway's 39.7% victory is a landslide, Tony Lloyd's previous victory of
	51.6% with a higher voter turnout must be considered an avalanche.
	Point being, and this will become abundantly clear throughout,
	George Galloway has an ego that can probably be seen from space, and the amount of self-aggrandizing and
	apologizing he does is quite frankly astounding.
	sigh Oh dear.
	I mean, sounds like a politician.
	Like, really.
	Doesn't he?
	Doesn't he?
	Yeah, you're not wrong.
	I mean, yeah.
	You're talking to an American person?
	I'm going to have maybe a hard time getting real riled up about a lot of stuff.
	No, no, I get it.
	Because holy shit.
	I mean, obviously, I don't know what we're going into.
	I mean, I kind of do.
	I kind of do, so that's already hedging.
	Because if I didn't know, I'd be like, yeah, sounds great.
	Everything so far, I mean, obviously the roundup you did at the beginning, problem, but like, into the episode proper, like, cool, okay.
	Fine so far.
	Fine so far.
	I mean, slimy politician kind of, you know, it's not unprecedented, we'll put it that way.
	It is definitely not the self-presentation that George Galloway likes to give.
	You know, he very much considers himself a working man, man of the people, representative of, you know, all of that.
	Oh, and not for nothing, but he is going to have to stand in the general election this year to defend his seat, at which point Labour will be standing a candidate and he will have a much tougher fight on his hands.
	Though, Galloway is already talking about once more running for Mayor of London, so he would have to give up his seat in May if he wants to do that, and so his time as MP for Rochdale might be very short-lived indeed.
	Oh wow, okay.
	So yeah, we talk political opportunism and good lord!
	Now, in the next clip, Russell asks a question regarding nativism and immigration.
	To give Tucker Carlson and his Jews a matter of fact, I've always known him to be anti-war across the board.
	A lot of, indeed, American nativists or America's first pundits and political figures, while dismissed widely as racist, often seem to me to be nationalist in a somewhat 20th century sense, not the worst kind of National Socialism sense I'm keen to add, but just that they believe in the people of their nation.
	And if nation is something that's real, surely there could be some kind of...
	Bargain pact agreement that were there to be controls on migration, controls on the border, this must surely be accompanied by a strong anti-war commitment, not to intervene and intercede and disrupt those nations from which migrants tend to come.
	And of course, I know that what's important to you, George, is that those nations are losing many of their best and brightest doctors, medics and professionals.
	As well as the many economic migrants, refugees, however that you want to describe them.
	Do you consider it to be interesting, George, the possibility that a non-imperialist, non-interventionist model, i.e.
	an anti-globalist model, might mean don't get involved in wars, don't get involved in exploiting the resources of these countries, and therefore it seems more reasonable and practical to manage borders sensibly?
	Because I know that people might be surprised to hear some of your views on migration.
	Some people might be surprised to hear Galloway's views on migration.
	Given that the guy is something of a wild card, where do you think he's going to land on this issue?
	Well, the thing is, I was like, how he answers Russell's question will tell me what I need to know.
	But then Russell's question got so fucking convoluted that I don't know how useful the answer is going to be.
	So I'm here for the ride.
	I have no opinion at this.
	I'm just...
	It feels like a prank to have to answer Rose's question.
	I will say, George does do a good job of holding onto the thread, actually, through it, because Russell does go off on a number of brambly tangents in this interview, and George does usually come back to the point very incisively.
	So there is that.
	That is helpful.
	That will help us throughout.
	Picking which thing you want to answer.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, that is the problem with Russell's interview style.
	Yeah, but I don't know if I'm going to get the answer to the question that will speak to, you know what I mean?
	Like, he started with Trump being anti-war.
	I'm like, oh, I want to hear what he has to say about that.
	Oh, no, we're not going to, that we're going to blow past that?
	Okay.
	Never mind.
	I guess I get to hear something different.
	Okay.
	There's a lot of talk about Tucker in here as well.
	Yeah, it'll be interesting to find out in this next clip, and first I do just want to make it abundantly clear before we do that refugees and those seeking asylum is fundamentally different to economic migrants, and Russell's conflation of that issue quite frankly tells us all we need to know about his position.
	Anyway, let's hear what Galloway has to say on immigration.
	Yeah, perfectly put.
	That is the case.
	Only a fool or an anarchist or a very, very rich man could possibly want open borders.
	I'm the leader of the workers, so part of my job, a very important part of it, is to raise the price of labour.
	The price of what?
	And of course, to do that, I have to control the supply of labor.
	Otherwise, the price of work will plummet.
	The pressure on the public services, council housing, National Health Service, places, places in the schools, in the nurseries, and so on, will become broken.
	It will become impossible for the people I represent, who are, of course, of all colors.
	We are a multicolored, multicultural country, so there's nothing racist about it.
	In fact, the free movement of labor that we had before Brexit Was white labor from the European Union.
	It had nothing to do with color or race.
	It had to do with the supply of labor.
	And with an endless supply of labor, you have a constantly falling price of labor.
	Obviously, if I'm the trade union official negotiating with the factory owner and he tells me I've got 5,000 Bulgarians outside are going to do the job cheaper than your members.
	I'm finished.
	I could use another F word, but won't.
	Oh dear.
	Not a great look.
	So, I mean, all of the rhetoric that Galloway is spouting there is, you know, right-wing conservative nativist ideology that is inherently xenophobic by its nature.
	George can argue that it's not racist as much as he wants, but just because your bigotry includes white people does not mean it's not bigotry.
	Yeah, where his argument completely falls apart is that in the United Kingdom, right, we have the minimum wage.
	And not just that, but the minimum wage over here is tied to inflation and goes up every year.
	What?!
	Yeah!
	Crazy.
	Yes, yeah.
	I realise that the concept is completely alien to you and many of our listeners.
	I'll temper my feelings.
	Yeah, and in my view, it's still not high enough, but it is the standard used across the country.
	What is it?
	Just share.
	At the moment, I want to say like £10.41 or something like that.
	I think that's about right, which would be, I don't know what, $12, $13, something like that, I guess, in the equivalent.
	I mean, it might be $15 probably.
	Probably 15, it might be 15 probably.
	Yeah.
	It depends.
	It's hard to keep track since Brexit happened.
	Honestly, the exchange rate is a little wacky.
	Yes, yes.
	Thank you, Boris.
	Thank you, Nigel.
	Glad you made a lot of money, guys.
	But still, a reasonable-ish amount.
	And it does vary depending on age as well, which is also something I disagree with, by the way.
	Um, but, um, yeah, so like, yeah, an 18 year old will earn like, I don't know, one or two pounds less than, than like someone who's over 25, for instance.
	Um, which is like, it's the same job.
	What the fuck?
	That's, that's ageism.
	That's inherent discrimination on the basis of age.
	That should not be acceptable.
	Um, but yeah, that's the system that we've got.
	That's weird.
	Okay.
	It is weird and a little bit dumb.
	Yeah, so it's the standard used across the country with most places of work either paying minimum wage or 20p per hour more than minimum wage if they want to describe themselves as offering competitive wages.
	But, you know, fine.
	And a lot of the kind of things that he was describing, like a factory for instance, would most likely be around minimum wage in terms of Earnings.
	Nonetheless, in Galloway's example, if a factory owner had 5,000 Bulgarians and was wanting to skirt the union in order to get those guys in, he would still have to pay the minimum wage at the very least, as to not do so is illegal.
	And there is also nothing to stop these imaginary Bulgarians from unionizing or from joining the very union that George is talking about.
	And so actually, if he did want to protect the price of labor in all its forms, what he should be doing is advocating for a rise in the minimum wage to meet what's known as the National Living Wage, and ensuring additional protections for that new minimum wage to increase year by year and be somehow, I don't know, constitutionally enshrined or protected.
	Instead, oh no, it's Johnny Foreigner's fault.
	I wonder where I've heard that before.
	It's amazing that the people that make the decisions to, I'm going to pay this amount and I'm going to pay myself a much different amount.
	It's never their fault.
	Like the person that's in charge and makes the decisions.
	It's never their fault.
	It's kind of crazy.
	That is kind of nuts, isn't it, when you really sit and think about it.
	That'd be fun, as a person, to not have ramifications.
	No one blames you when you do the thing.
	That's awesome.
	Good for them.
	I'm being facetious.
	Yes, I know.
	I'm just saying, I fundamentally don't understand the concept, as I have a tendency to blame me if no one else does.
	So I can't imagine the world that these people are living in.
	I also did the math, and let's see, I think it's about minimum wage is about to go up to $11.44.
	I did a little cursory search just because I needed to know.
	I just needed to know, which is about $14.50 USD.
	Okay.
	We have not, the minimum wage has stayed the same for 15 years at $7.25, which if you think that's not being paid to people, Because like in Chicago, I think minimum wage is 15, I believe.
	Or like there's some mandate, which like also you can kind of get around shit.
	But like, there are state efforts to improve.
	But federally, $7.25, which is $5.74 in pounds per hour.
	Jesus.
	That's what we get.
	And no benefits of any kind.
	Like, Yeah, I mean, that tracks, because I feel like that was kind of the minimum wage 15 years ago over here, you know?
	And so I'm like, oh yeah, no, I remember earning that much a long time ago.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Yeah, it's just absurd.
	It's completely fucking absurd.
	It's unreal.
	Yeah.
	It's incredible.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Also, not for nothing, but literally no country in the universe is arguing for totally open borders and anyone can just wander in willy-nilly, so George's premise from the start is a complete strawman argument anyway.
	He also calls himself the leader of the workers.
	Just because you named your club that?
	I'm like, the leaders of the workers are unions, dog.
	That's definitely not him.
	That's a bit grand.
	So you're going to tell me, here's the thing, since he did make that claim, you're going to tell me he has a lot of experience, you know, organizing and with unions because he did mention, you know, shop stewards and their power.
	To negotiate.
	Also, the threat of scabs, the whole point of a union is to not be intimidated or effed, as he didn't say, by the threat of scabs.
	That's the point of a union.
	You're not screwed.
	You just have to do the thing.
	You just have to stick with the strike and support each other.
	Yeah, I will say that his experience of working in general might be lacking, let alone representing workers, because he's been in politics since 1981, I think it was.
	He was the youngest leader of Scottish Labour, or whatever it was.
	So yeah, I'm gonna say maybe not a wealth of experience, but certainly a wealth of money.
	This is a very rich man that we're talking about here who earns hundreds of thousands from the little media empire that he's built himself.
	Let alone, you know, political donations and everything else and the, you know, the salary that he gets for being leader of this workers party.
	Yeah, this very, very wealthy man.
	But yeah, he's the leader of the workers!
	Anyway, so Galloway uses this issue as a bit of a jumping off point to bash the left, because that seems like the logical next step.
	The reality is that this tendency of liberals, and they are liberals actually, small l liberals, To apply ists and isms as pejoratives to ordinary people merely standing up for their own interest is one of the reasons why leftism has such a bad name.
	And I'm one of those who no longer wants to hear myself described as a leftist, because left has become synonymous With liberalism, with license, with open borders, with, you know, refugees welcome here, and so on.
	All this is inimical to the interests of the working class of all colors who are already here.
	Oh, you know what, George, I am perfectly fine with not describing you as a leftist because it's very clearly not what you are.
	He started in a place and I was like, yeah, I have like I have nothing but disdain and a lot of complaint about because he's.
	He sounds like he's like, I'm on the left and I'm calling out liberals for not being left enough while pretending to be left.
	Sure.
	But then where he went was... what?
	Well, and also remember that it's coming off the back of him saying, oh, me having these things with immigration is not racism, it's not racist, and so him then taking issue with all these isms is, oh, the left keep calling people racist, how could they?
	You know, and so it's...
	Yeah.
	Complaining about cancer culture.
	Yeah.
	And also, as mentioned a couple of clips back, one of those things that he just mentioned is not like the others.
	He can argue as much as he wants about woke ideologies and isms and open borders, but to say that refugees being welcome here is a bad thing is a little bit grotesque.
	Yeah, that got me.
	I was like, huh, huh, said that, said that, recorded.
	Wow.
	Great.
	With reckless abandon, he's quite happy.
	In the next clip, Galloway has a solution to all of this that is very much in line with Russell's ideologies.
	Now, you are quite right to identify that one of the drivers of mass immigration of flows of refugees is the endless making of war on the poor countries of the global south, whether it's full-out hot war or economic war or overthrowing popular governments, replacing them with dictatorships like in Latin America, for example.
	That's what's causing many of these refugee flows.
	If you stop making war on them, Give them a hand up to build their own economies and their own societies.
	Invest a bit in them.
	The number of people who want to leave their country will be far fewer.
	Look, I'm an example.
	My grandparents came here as Irish refugees from hunger, from famine.
	If there's no famine, my grandparents, great grandparents, would never have wanted to leave Ireland.
	Anyone who's been in Ireland, been in Scotland, knows the islands better.
	So if you hadn't been driven out of Ireland, you wouldn't be here in the first place.
	So what I am very interested in is a de facto alliance between the people like Tucker, Who are American firstists, who are nativists, if you like.
	There's no reason for hostility between him and me.
	I have no interest in the domestic politics of the United States of America.
	I just don't want them to come here.
	I don't want them to bomb here, or there, or elsewhere.
	I don't want them interfering in other people's countries.
	I take my hat off to Tucker Carlson.
	I mean, you and I are both in the broadcasting game.
	He is captain, my captain.
	I take my hat off to him.
	And I like some of the things that he says, dislike some of the other things that he says.
	But I'm always listening, aren't you?
	Absolutely I am, because I think these are exactly the kind of relationships that need to be explored.
	Indeed, in a truly representative system, there would be freedom for a degree of true diversity, culturally and economically, not just within nations, but within regions, if decentralisation were part of the shared goal.
	Full autonomy, maximum autonomy, maximum representation.
	Okay.
	Cheers, Russell.
	Oh, yeah, that's another thing.
	Like that was the he really there was a chunk there was like, yeah.
	Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
	What? Like it just keeps.
	Yeah. The whiplash is I'm on it.
	I'm on a seesaw. OK.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And do you know, that is my experience of George Calloway in a nutshell, to be perfectly honest.
	Another shoutout to Aretha.
	I'm on a fucking seesaw right now.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	Hey.
	He says some things that I absolutely agree with, and then so much that I'm completely like, no, no, stop!
	What the fuck?
	Yeah, yeah, and you know, just the very concept that he's so kind of anti-refugees, but his parents were refugees from Ireland, you know, and he's saying, oh interventionism is the problem and that's causing all the refugees, but his own parents were refugees from something that occurred naturally, you know, the potato famine in Ireland, right?
	You know, and so it's like, It's very convoluted.
	It's very, very convoluted to me. And what we end up saying...
	KS: If that was... Like, if he led with that, like, lead with that, and then let's extrapolate.
	Because, like, I'm at the point where I don't... I mean, even if... And it's mostly corporations
	that are in charge of my country, and politicians are just basket cases,
	like, kind of across the board. It's shocking, for the absolute most part.
	So, like, hearing anyone actually, like, say and believe parts of these things would be wonderful.
	But parts, not all parts.
	But even, I'll take the cynical approach at this point.
	I'll take, because they're not doing anything good.
	They're not even being smart.
	They're not even being practical.
	If nothing else, chill out on the immigration shit because we need food in our stores and you've been exploiting them for fucking decades.
	Why are you stopping now?
	What, like, the problems that are going to be created by, like, if Republican, you know, like, conservative, like, You know, like vehemently opposed to like this, you know, the kind of like the Rhonda Santis that we have to deal with.
	If they were, if they actually got to enact their, their whims, the country would fucking fall apart.
	We had that problem post-Brexit.
	There was an immediate problem.
	Exactly.
	I think it was 2016-17, not even after Brexit had been fully enacted yet, where suddenly there weren't enough people to pick the fruit in our fields.
	And so you had big companies that all of a sudden were like, oh no, we need this!
	Shit!
	Well, what he's saying is, like, yeah, if nothing else, like, let, let third world countries, let the global south fucking live.
	But you don't want to, like, y'all made this bed that you're lying in.
	And now you're complaining about the bed that you that you made.
	And ignoring the cause, like just looking at the causes and not looking at any of the roots of the problem.
	But guess who's not gonna fucking fix that?
	It's Tucker Carlson!
	What?
	Like, that's a really... I don't like how good he is, and this is, I mean, what I'm coming into this, I've expected this, you know, I've seen clips, whatever, and I'm aware of this person, so I know kind of what I'm getting into, but, and so I'm trying to look at it from, not that place, but that's tough.
	Anyway, I, like, man oh man, that's not, it's, he's really good at using Like, he's really good at hitting, you know, it's stuff that, and the clips that I've seen of him, I guess I will just explain, like, I have, I saw clips of him saying, like, and they were clips, right?
	Which, if you edited this show differently this week, He would sound awesome.
	Like, you could take big old chunks of soundbites that are like, fuck yeah, this is great, this is what we need in government, this is the kind of politician we need, and I've seen those clips, and at first I was like, this Scottish Elvis Costello person?
	I'm already, like, I'm already, you know, like, he's already got me, because he looks like, you know, he's, he, with his hat, I was like, oh.
	He's got the fedora, yep, yep.
	And his style is not previous, current, old as shit Elvis Costello man, saying very good things that I agree with.
	And I hate that I have to be cynical about these things, but asterisk in my head, I'm like, is that too good to be true?
	And I have since found out that if you put these statements in context, boy, it sure shakes out different.
	And I think that's exactly what we're seeing.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	And you can see how he could appeal to broad swaths of people depending on which parts they pick up on or which parts get, you know, get algorithmically fed to them.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And, you know, he's a very effective communicator.
	There's a reason that the man has been elected to Parliament so many times.
	He is good at what he does, I'm not going to deny him that.
	Anyway, what we ended up settling on throughout that was a non-interventionist libertarian isolationism kind of concept.
	Which is bang on with Russell's ideas, except perhaps for the parts of investing money in the economy of other countries.
	That's what I was going to say.
	It's actually better.
	The thing is, it's not investment.
	It's motherfucking reparations, which need to be paid.
	It's reparations.
	We need to call it what it is and actually do the thing that's not going to fucking happen, which makes me sick to my stomach to think about.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, 100%.
	And note the throughline here from Charlie Kirk's concept of invade the world, invite the world, you know, it's the exact same thing.
	From three individuals at this point that are vehemently against anyone intervening in the Ukraine war in support of Ukraine, so like you can, it does kind of put the anti-interventionism in a little bit of a different light.
	Um, dear, and yeah, Tucker Carlson, oh captain, my captain, um... I don't even think- Do we need to even discuss that?
	Everybody heard it.
	No, I'm just like, I'm just like- Y'all heard it.
	You all heard him say it.
	Is there- You do hear it, George.
	The joke's made.
	That's hilarious.
	It's a joke in and of itself.
	That's not who I would follow, but you know what, you do you.
	No, it's just like a crazy thing to say.
	Like, I don't even, like, okay.
	Yep.
	We're gonna see.
	He said, we all heard it.
	We all, he said it was recorded, and that's amazing.
	Yep.
	Keep saying these things out loud.
	Now, from here we get to discuss what George Galloway describes as the uni-party.
	The Labour Party doesn't represent the workers, and the Conservative Party Doesn't champion free markets.
	They want rigged markets.
	They want to close competitors.
	They want to lock out People who would otherwise freely compete for business, for profit in the economy.
	So neither stands for anything that they used to stand for, and both stand for the same set of globalist liberal principles.
	And I'm going to go further.
	They're all Blairites now.
	Tony Blair's legacy is that both the Conservatives and Labour are followers of his liberal globalist ideology.
	And it increasingly shows they are interchangeable.
	You could switch the Labour frontbench over to the Tory frontbench, And vice versa.
	And I promise you, you would not notice the difference.
	Really?
	There's a nuance here, there's a fake argument there about the colour of the curtains in the Ministry of Paperclips in Whitehall, on or off the income tax, but it's all synthetic sound and fury.
	And you can see it.
	Now that I'm back in Parliament, See it up close and personal.
	The fury across the dispatch boxes is replaced by back-clapping, mutual congratulations, much laughter as they laugh all the way to their own personal banks.
	But they have bankrupted the idea of Britain.
	They have bankrupted Brexit of all meaning.
	We supported Brexit because we wanted Britain to be an independent country, free to make its own fiscal and economic policy, its own laws, control its own borders, free to pick its own friends and not allow other people to pick its enemies.
	That's the Britain that we wanted post-Brexit.
	You've just got to look for a moment to see the Britain we got instead.
	We are locked into whatever the WEF, whatever the globalists have decided we must do, whether we're in the European Union or out of it.
	Okay.
	Him bringing up the globalists quite a lot, the WEF and all of that.
	That's the dog whistle.
	I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Because a lot of that, again, I'm like, yeah, okay.
	It's tough because this used to be, or this could be, the kind of person that left the left.
	Because also, saying you're not a leftist, and especially anyone that has said, like, Well, I was on the left, but because of how liberals act, I'm now on the right, which he did not say.
	But I'm saying that claim that is very often made here is like, oh no, you were never on the left.
	Whereas being a leftist is a set of concrete ideas about how the society should run.
	having like that that is a set of concrete ideas about how the society should run. And
	you don't get to choose where you fall on that spectrum.
	Your beliefs place you on the spectrum.
	So saying, well, I'm going to take my ball and go to the other team.
	Okay, then what did you ever believe?
	But yeah, that's... Yeah, yeah.
	It's tough because this used to be a person that we could at least build a coalition with.
	But like, Well, yeah, because, like, people on the left, you know, because you have to compromise.
	That's a really awful thing about the left, is how much the left cannibalizes itself.
	It's really fucked up, and I have a serious problem with it.
	And we even talked about that before, you know, before we started recording.
	I don't have answers.
	I don't have a magical solution, but I recognize the problem, and you can't fix anything if you don't first recognize the problem.
	Also, I'm just some asshole, so I definitely can't fix anything.
	You and me both.
	Knowing that he's trying to coalition build with Tucker Carlson.
	Like, oh no no, well then I can't, we can't work together because you're not really sincere about, like, where your motives are, where you're coming from.
	Because he just sounds like an old libertarian.
	Like, I keep hearing Ron Paul jokes in my head from my favorite comedians when I was, you know, like, when I was a younger, younger lass.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's just where that's where he's coming from.
	It is difficult because George Galloway has been on the right side of history in a lot of cases.
	Yeah.
	Such as such as the Iraq War, you know, which Yeah, and some less popular positions that we'll get to in a little bit that were still, you know, I would say, correct.
	And it is difficult because, yeah, this person used to be kind of more on side, at the very least, in some ways.
	Or could be, yeah.
	Or could be, yeah.
	If we all actually had an interest to work together, then yeah, definitely could be.
	And then we're like, well, I don't know.
	Maybe some of the stuff we could talk about?
	Could we have a conversation?
	But obviously that's not... Not obviously.
	I'm afraid that's not the case.
	I'm afraid that's not the case.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, that and potential antisemitism aside, what an utter crock of shit that man just put forward.
	So you've got the frankly mundane... It's not an utter crock of shit!
	There's a lot of really good things that he said in the middle.
	It's where he's coming from and how he wants to get there.
	I'm very interested in what he actually talks about with policy.
	You've got the mundane narrative that both major political parties are identical, which they're not.
	They're absolutely not, but fine.
	And this man is clearly above the left-right paradigm, right?
	That's the position he's supposedly putting himself in.
	Well, he didn't say that!
	He didn't say that!
	Right, but that's the thing.
	I'm trying to, like, engage with him, like, as to what he's actually saying, right?
	And what sounds good and what's gonna bring somebody to his side, right?
	And get somebody on side and, like, hear the things that they want to and pick and choose.
	And so, like, yeah, the accusations he made about, like, the left not actually being for the workers but being for, like, being in the The pocket of corporations, and I'm speaking as an American here, you know, like, yeah, I would make that same accusation and the right wanting to, crowing constantly about free markets and here states' rights and freedom and sovereignty and in action doing
	Fucking the opposite.
	The most big brother-ass shit on the regular.
	And just, and, yeah, they don't want free markets at all.
	They just say that they do.
	So calling those things out in and of themselves, you know, like, yeah, sure, but then how do we...
	fixed. I'm interested to hear the policy because where he's coming, you know, like the Tucker
	comment and the globalist comment, I'm like, "Well, I don't know that your method's going to
	work here." To say that that's, you know, like if... And also he's kind of putting his money
	where his mouth is to an extent because he's an independent, right?
	I think it's a lot harder for someone from the Democrats to accuse the Democrats and someone for, I mean, I don't know, but that also kind of feels like posturing.
	Being above, you know, like saying you're above the left-right paradigm, again, yeah, that's just sticking your head in the sand.
	And that's not useful or helpful.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And I dislike the idea that the two major main parties are identical, because, I mean, you can argue on economic issues and that kind of thing, there's a bigger argument there, but I think On social issues, especially, there can be a huge difference, a canyon of difference between the two.
	And that can be the difference between people living or dying, depending on how the election goes.
	Absolutely.
	But I also, yes, and I think that the, I think that, well, calling out the Liberal, right, like liberal Democrat, and again I'm speaking from my experience, but like calling them out as only like paying lip service but not actually following through, not doing what they say they're gonna do.
	As far as the effect, and I don't agree, but I can understand someone still... I mean, I do feel like that's a little bit antique and a little bit dishonest to say that, yeah, of course they're not the same.
	The parties aren't the same.
	It also isn't really what I heard him...
	Which, again, is trickier.
	He's better at this than a lot of people we've listened to, and that's the point I'm trying to make.
	He's really good at the good parts.
	Well, I don't know.
	He did say you could literally swap all the members and they'd be exactly the same.
	He did say that.
	Sure, sure, sure.
	I mean, I guess, yeah, you're right.
	You're right.
	The argument can be made that the result of the left's inaction, or, you know, like, the Liberal Democrat inaction is also harmful and kind of ignores the- Absolutely, yeah.
	Like, to say that they're, you know, like, I don't know, it's conspiratorial to say they're working in tandem, but, like, in practice, They're both.
	Yeah.
	One is enabling harm, the other one's just harming.
	And that's fucked up.
	That's something to call out.
	But yeah, you're also just complaining.
	You're not really being helpful.
	There's no real path forward from that, and it sounds like being a reactionary is what he can do.
	He does come to some solutions in a little bit, which is more than I can say for a lot of Russell's guests.
	I'm like, I want to get into the policy.
	Like, I'm interested in policy arguments because, like, it's all, you know.
	All I'm noticing is he's really good at, like, he's really good at the talk.
	He's very slick.
	He's very slick and very charismatic.
	The craziest claim that he did make there is that somehow both the Labour and Conservative Party are Blairites.
	Yeah, that was kind of wild.
	Right, Keir Starmer's Labour being Blair, right?
	Yeah, I can see that argument.
	Blair was famously centrist, if not moving to the right on certain issues, and Starmer has thus far been very much towing that same line.
	Politically, it's not a strategy without merit, like Tony Blair led Labour to overwhelming victories.
	Um, but why the shit would the Conservative Party be Blairites?
	Like, the whole point of Blairism was moving the needle from the left to the middle under the guise of New Labour to get more votes.
	Like, the Conservative Party have enjoyed 14 years of power thus far on a platform of Well, fuck you, but at least we don't support foreigners or poor people, so vote for us.
	And they've achieved infuriating levels of success with that.
	The Conservatives don't need to move to the left, because they spend their time moving the entire Overton window to the right, dragging national and global politics with them.
	The idea of them being Blairite is absurd.
	Oh yeah, that was wild.
	That was wild.
	Now, the next clip might make you a little bit jealous of our system in comparison to US elections.
	So, we are going to provide an alternative.
	You asked earlier what it costs.
	Luckily, in Britain, it doesn't cost much in a general election.
	Each candidate in each constituency is responsible, in our case, responsible for raising their own election expenses.
	But the cap is £12,000.
	So in American terms, that's next to nothing.
	For £12,000, and most communities can raise £12,000 through crowdfunding, through passing the hat round.
	They can even borrow my hat to do so.
	Most people can do it.
	And in each constituency, we'll have, for the price of £12,000, a fellow who's on a level playing field.
	He's at the starting gate, right beside Labour, right beside the Conservatives.
	And I believe we're going to give them a very good run for their money.
	We will affect the outcome of hundreds of contests.
	Hundreds!
	And I believe that we'll score some spectacular victories.
	Russell is loving this.
	So his figure isn't exactly correct there as to what I could turn up.
	I'm not sure whether he's kind of conflating that being kind of a personal expenses situation of the candidate.
	So if you were to run a candidate in the UK, unless they were a well-known figure like Galloway on like £12,000, they would likely lose.
	The actual maximum that a party can spend on a candidate is £54,000 and £54,010 per seat being contested, which is still absolute pennies compared to the US system.
	I'm so angry I've shut off.
	Yeah.
	I've reached my, yeah, my fuse has blown.
	So wait, is he proposing 12,000 or is he saying there already is?
	Is that a policy proposal?
	Because, okay.
	No, no, no.
	He's saying that that's the cost for a candidate to run, which Again, I think he's like conflating like maybe personal expenses of the candidate.
	I'm not 100% sure where he got that figure.
	But yeah, the maximum is $54,000.
	Well, he said we're going to, so I assumed that it was like a policy thing.
	Because if that's already in place, well, that's not happening, so...
	No, this is a fundraising bit from him.
	This is, oh, if you give us money then we can level the playing field.
	We can run hundreds of candidates.
	Yeah, whereas the cost is... Big if true?
	Yeah, right.
	The cost is likely to be a hell of a lot more than 12,000.
	Because, you know, the Labour and Conservatives will be using that full 54,010 pounds.
	than 12,000 because, you know, the Labour and Conservatives will be using that full
	54,000 and £10, I guarantee you that.
	Right, okay.
	But yeah, there are flaws as well because the UK Electoral Commission only requires
	submission of campaign expenses after the campaign is finished, meaning that if anyone
	goes over that figure, like the Tories do every single fucking time, it only gets found
	out about afterwards and then they get a fine and a slap on the wrist.
	Um, so not a perfect system, um, but hey, it's, it's something, I guess.
	Um, anyway, Galloway is going to run hundreds of candidates.
	It doesn't sound good on its own, but in comparison, wow.
	I was going to say, yeah, exactly.
	You put them next to each other and I'm like, well, I know which one I'm going to pick.
	I'm miles away.
	Like I'm, I have, I'm having an out of body experience thinking about Holy 54.
	Man, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's much more reasonable.
	However, I do feel like Galloway's going to have trouble running his hundreds of candidates, or at the very least he'll be picking from a very small pool, because his party only contains just shy of 3,000 paid-up members.
	And I don't know how many of those are wanting to be politicians, for instance.
	So yeah, I'm sure that's not a recipe for disaster in any way, like UKIP experienced many, many times.
	So, Russell, you can see he's really into this, and so he goes on a bit of a passionate bramble here, and then we learn Galloway's true aims.
	Yes, I think that's a real possibility, George, and a terrifying one for the establishment.
	Your victory in Rochdale, where you scored as many votes as the Conservatives, the Labour Party and the next contender combined, shows that there's a real appetite for independent politics and real opposition to the establishment systems.
	So are you saying that with some significant funding you could be running a hundred or two hundred candidates in seats that are not at all safe for Labour because, let's have it right, it's assumed that Keir Starmer is in the Ascendancy ready to assert another four years of globalism on the people of Britain where nothing will meaningfully change for ordinary workers, where the legacy media will continue to lie, where ordinary people will continue to be bowed, where nothing will be done To protect our valued systems of healthcare, our social systems, our transport.
	Not to mention the meaning and connection of these people to their land.
	Our historic love for this great nation.
	A true agenda that we can all be bound by together.
	A genuine pursuit on the world stage of something glorious together.
	An example to our friends across the ocean of a real independent movement.
	You think that we could make a real difference if we were to, for example, crowdfund a significant number, say 100 or 200 Worker Party candidates, so that the Labour Party would end up going into an election, even if they were to win, requiring a coalition or facing a minority government or a hung parliament?
	That must be terrifying for globalists like the WEF-affiliated Keir Starmer, a man who's abandoned Labour's principles on day one, a man who, as I recall, and you'll correct me if I'm wrong here, George, When there were those riots in London and across our country, wasn't he high up in the legal system ensuring there were courts running round the clock so poor people could be processed a lot quicker than any 2008 corrupt economy collapsing banker ever might be?
	So this is a chance to really stick it to these globalists, whatever colours they masquerade under.
	Yeah, that's our aim.
	It is to create a hung parliament.
	To reduce Stalmer's majority as far as possible and, if possible, make him dependent upon people like me to get any business through the Parliament at all.
	Okay, I want power and to make the next Prime Minister dependent on me to get anything done.
	He wants to be Joe Manchin, basically.
	Like, he's seen that position and thought, ooh, that looks good.
	I could do a lot with that.
	Also, before I get into Keir Starmer, Russell said deliver us another four years.
	Over here we have elections every five, which occurs to me that Russell might not know that, especially as he spends so much time dealing with American politics.
	They might be sinking in.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Might be sinking in.
	You never know.
	Anyway, the concept that Keir Starmer is waiting in the wings for his ascendancy to Prime Minister is, at this stage, complete fantasy.
	I don't think that's true.
	No, I don't know how this election is going to go, and anyone who says they can see the outcome is either full of shit or lying to themselves, because it's terrible decisions of equal weight on both sides, to be perfectly honest, and we are nowhere near campaign time yet.
	Because, again, that is regulated over here to be six weeks out of an election year.
	And, accordingly... Oh no, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	But yeah, accordingly, we are yet to see either Keir Starmer or Rishi Sunak properly go to bat.
	If any Americans haven't already angrily thrown their phone across the room and will never listen again.
	You're a hero and a champion.
	Like, I can't even believe.
	I was like, you fucking people.
	I swear, oh my god.
	I mean, George Galloway doesn't want you here, but I'll have you.
	I'll welcome you with open arms.
	Come over here, Wilton.
	Well, I ain't trying to do that either, but good god.
	It's just crazy.
	It feels- The difference.
	The difference is- Stark.
	We'll say stark.
	It's a stark difference.
	It really is.
	It really is.
	Almost like we can spend a lot more time focusing on policy and that kind of thing.
	Crazy.
	Yeah.
	What Russell said there about the 2011 UK riots, which occurred after a black man, Mark Duggan, was shot dead by police over here, is broadly accurate in a way.
	Or rather, the sentiment is.
	So the riots were less kind of BLM style in their nature, I would say.
	It was 2011, yeah.
	Yeah, they were pretty openly fucking hostile and were also being capitalized on by a lot of looters.
	It was a complicated and ugly situation all around.
	There weren't round-the-clock cases being pushed through like Russell is saying, but, and I'm going to borrow from a piece by Matteo Tiratelli, a lecturer in political sociology at the University of the City of London, the Crown Prosecution Service, led at the time by Sir Keir Starmer, ...immediately relaxed the threshold used to determine whether or not to press charges.
	Long-standing advice that suspects under the age of 18 should not be tried for minor offenses was suspended.
	Actions normally regarded as theft were treated as burglary so as to ensure maximum jail time.
	Cases were pushed from the magistrates to the Crown Courts, ensuring that longer sentences were available and costing minors their right to anonymity in the press.
	Existing sentencing guidelines were abandoned and despite criticisms that he was playing politics, Starmer ordered the courts to stay open 24-7 for emergency sessions if necessary.
	So yeah, not great.
	While political pressure was undoubtedly put on the police and on the courts, many of these emergency innovations were the result of the justice system taking the initiative.
	It was, to borrow sociologist Carly Lightowler's and legal scholar Hannah Quirk's phrase, a moment of prosecutorial zeal and judicial abandon.
	And it culminated in more than 2,000 people facing jail terms which were four and a half times longer than those same offences would normally warrant.
	Fucked up, and one of a legion of reasons not to particularly like Keir Starmer, among others.
	But I do want to note here that neither of these chuckleheads, Russell or Galloway, are pointing the finger at the Conservative Party who were in power at the time, and could have done something, anything, about any of that.
	And nor are they after Rishi Sunak in this little imaginary scenario where Galloway's party run hundreds of candidates.
	No, no, no, they're going for unsafe Labour seats specifically, which accordingly would have the effect of splitting the vote were Galloway to achieve any level of success and would culminate in the Tories continuing their reign.
	That's actually, that would be the result of what they're shooting for here.
	Yeah, I'm not ever going to come for looting of any kind.
	Ever.
	As a St.
	Louis native?
	I'm not.
	Ever.
	I don't necessarily even differentiate.
	Wow, that's a lot.
	Jesus Christ.
	I can't imagine what that would look like.
	It sounds awful.
	It was, yeah, I remember it playing out.
	I mean, it still happens here all the time, and it's really, like, that's, man, that's fucked up.
	But yeah, I'm not gonna, I'm just, I guess just to say that, as far as my own beliefs and where I'm coming from, but like, I also don't like, I don't like what happened.
	I just, man, god, people just aren't even willing to deal with the problems, honestly.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, and instead...
	Overwhelming.
	And obviously, most of the people who were imprisoned were poor, working class, they're miners in some cases.
	And yeah, it was pretty fucking grim, to be perfectly honest.
	The whole situation.
	I don't think I talked about it on main, right, but like, unprompted and unrelated, like, I talked about our, you know, car getting stolen and crashed and barfed in by a child and how they get treated, you know, like, my feelings are very, like, my feelings I think are very clear.
	I have a lot of sympathy for people that are in that position and we're all very close to being, you know, there's a lot of us, a large section of the population that are ready to be criminalized, the drop of a hat.
	That's true.
	That's absolutely true.
	That's a spectrum, but that's part of it.
	Most of us are, what, two missed paychecks away from that, if that, in a lot of cases.
	So yeah, let's not judge.
	And even then, you know, regardless how you feel about all of that happening during the riots and everything, it does not warrant the response that then occurs.
	Oh, absolutely.
	From Keir Starmer, you know, even if you are against that.
	Yeah, it was insane.
	It was completely insane.
	Anyway, all of that said, Galloway wants to be the Joe Manchin of the UK.
	And he says his party's price would actually be something I completely agree with.
	And here we get to one of the solutions that he's offering.
	Our price would be a simple one.
	It would be for the introduction of proportional representation.
	We have people enjoying huge parliamentary majorities whilst only polling a relatively small minority of the vote.
	You can have 30% of the votes, not the voters, if you include the people who don't vote at all.
	There are people forming governments in this country with 20%.
	But they get 50, 60, 70% of the seats because we have this first-past-the-post voting system.
	If we had a voting system like they have in many countries on the mainland of Europe, the Workers' Party would already have 40 or 50 members.
	But you don't want to be in the EU.
	Wait.
	Yeah, right.
	Yeah, I've spoken about this in an off-brand where we were discussing the UK system of elections in comparison to the US, and there are broad similarities as well as stark differences as we're experiencing.
	But I do recall specifically advocating for proportional representation in that off-brand.
	Proportional representation would be essentially however many votes your party gets overall, that's how many seats you get in Parliament.
	So representation proportionate to the number of people who want you in power.
	A truer democracy in my eyes, and I remember back at the time of the 2015 election talking about this, because of the immense disparity between voter numbers and how many seats the party got.
	So, for instance, that year in 2015, the Scottish National Party got 1.45 million votes and they won 56 seats in Parliament.
	There are 650 overall, right?
	So that's a big chunk.
	So that was on 1.45 million votes.
	The Green Party got 1.1 million votes and they got one seat in Parliament.
	Jesus Christ.
	Yeah, UKIP, Nigel Farage's party, got just shy of four million votes, and they got one seat in Parliament.
	That system, whichever way you slice it, is fucked.
	Now, I disagree with almost everything that UKIP ever stood for, but I do firmly believe the people who voted for them deserved to be represented in that Parliament, and they just were not.
	Well, at least they'll be really reasonable about it, you know?
	And advocate for the change that we need, like maybe ranked choice voting or mandatory voting.
	So many options.
	They did, right?
	Yeah.
	Good.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	It was successful.
	Yeah.
	That sounds rational.
	It's probably a fair criticism to say that George Galloway does have a vested self-interest in wanting a system of proportional representation, because he would inherently do better under that system, but that doesn't make his point any less correct.
	He does stand to benefit, but yeah, I'm with him.
	Again, so much I disagree with this man on, but also he says things like that, and I'm like, yes, correct!
	It's very, it's giving very James Adomian, like fully James Adomian.
	I've been listening to James Adomian make these jokes for 15 years.
	Like, really?
	And it's like, you're saying like Joe Manchin, right?
	So he wants to, it sounds like he wants to be the, like he wants to be Ron Paul with the Joe Manchin, like power, because Ron Paul would never I have a name.
	Joe Manchin is just a fucking Republican.
	He's a CEO.
	He isn't anything.
	He's just, oh my god.
	He's a human coal pit.
	He's human coal poison.
	Man, oh man.
	Okay, right.
	There's a lot going on here.
	And to swing us in the opposite direction, now we get a little look at Galloway's feelings on climate change.
	I wonder, George, what you think about the global agricultural movement right now in Germany, in the Netherlands, in Sri Lanka, in India, as yet another example how top-down edicts are being used to cripple ordinary working people, and in particular Our ability to create communities, to grow our own food, to trade independently, to run our communities without the intervention, intercession and control of unelected bodies like those that would impose these regulations, of course on the basis of climate change in this instance, on ordinary farmers.
	And what are your views on that, George?
	Well, no farmers, no food.
	And I'll be on Parliament Square on Monday meeting the British farmers who've joined that Worldwide movement.
	And we have to defend our ability to grow our own food.
	The idea that we can close down our farms under the bogus climate change, apocalyptic Catastrophism of the so-called climate change, extinction, rebellion and so on is perfectly absurd.
	What we're going to do?
	Eat insects?
	Eat bugs?
	Some of us will never do that.
	Some of us are unreconstructed red meat eating white straight males.
	I'll get my coat.
	I know I'm no longer wanted.
	The idea that the climate is affected more by cows farting in the field next to where I live than the devastating wars that are taking place.
	The explosion of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline releasing into the atmosphere the world's greatest ever Methane leakage, the spilling of oil in tankers in the Red Sea because the big companies and countries would not reach an agreement with the people of Yemen for passage across their waterways and so on.
	These are all, each and every one of them, more significant contributors to climate change Than our farmers are.
	Um, so George Galloway isn't an outright climate change denier, um, but he's absolutely a climate change minimizer, um, who is, uh, flying in the face of science worldwide because, frankly, it's more politically astute for him to side with the farmers on this issue rather than saying, okay, actually these practices are heavily contributing to climate change and they do need reform.
	Now, I'm like, it's painfully transparent.
	Now, I'm back in Wales at this point, so I am currently surrounded by signs saying no farmers, no food.
	And I agree with the sentiment, but...
	Farming practices are going to have to be overhauled, otherwise there will be nothing left to farm.
	The key issue, as far as I can see it, is the reform of farming needs to be done in such a way that doesn't completely fuck the farmers over, which is what a lot of countries seem to be putting forth at the moment.
	So yeah, it's a difficult situation, and because at the moment what we have is Because of this, is anti-climate change activists seizing on this movement to push their agenda.
	And ultimately that will spell the death of us all if they succeed.
	So it's a really difficult situation.
	It's all of it.
	One or the other is not how we solve this.
	Fixing everything.
	And again, I think that the complaint, and so I've mentioned this a lot in the show Off-Brand, On-Brand, that the best misinformation, disinformation, you can tell when a position is being manipulated, and he's moving the goalposts.
	Saying that, well, one problem is worse than the other.
	Yes, that's true, but just doing, like, you're just kind of passing the blame when you should just be looking at the holistic problem and then trying to, even just enforcing the rules and laws that we have and using the departments and using the The restrictions that we do have to the effect that they should be like we should just be having like we should we should be enacting policies that are useful across the board and actually do something and I think that like that's my big complaint with like the liberal kind of like band-aid to put over the climate problem is like they're make it's it's all smoke and mirrors.
	Like, it's fucking smoke and mirrors, that, like, the nice, you know, like, the nice liberal approach.
	And I don't, I'm not, I don't have a problem with, like, I don't have a problem with somebody attacking that, but it doesn't sound like that's what he's doing.
	He's just deferring blame somewhere.
	It's like, it's that kind of, like, what about, he's doing whataboutism, and whataboutism is still, like, a diversionary tactic.
	A hundred percent, that's exactly what he's doing.
	And yeah, I agree with you that there's a lot of talk about what we can do on an individual level and no one wants to take your fucking baseball bat to the meaty subjects that actually need tackling because there are huge industries that need immediate overhaul.
	And the fact that we are actually having a conversation about Farming and the effects on the climate therein is nothing short of miraculous to me that we're even able to have the discussion now.
	Okay, good.
	That's at least a start.
	You know, we're nowhere near.
	Yeah.
	Not here.
	No.
	Not at all.
	I have to work hard to remember and think about that's the conversation happening somewhere else.
	Because not at all.
	There are so many problems.
	And climate change is just one of the issues that farming in America has created for ourselves.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's cool.
	At least we've done it a lot before already.
	So we're definitely going to dust bowl it up again.
	Happy days!
	Look forward to the next Great Depression everybody.
	Now, we're going to move ahead a little bit and we're going to talk about the woke agenda and LGBTQ plus rights.
	So, as is characteristic of this show, brace yourselves everybody.
	I wonder, George, do you feel that there can be some connection between people that revere tradition, that revere God, that revere community and family and respect for new civil rights movements?
	Is that opposition and fissure irresolvable?
	Or do you think that there too there is the possibility for alliance when it comes to traditional communities, Christian communities, Muslim communities?
	Is it possible for there to be alliances there too that can oppose this kind of globalism that only has Amplified and berserk wokeism as its only badge.
	I like that phrase, berserk wokeism, because that's exactly what we are facing here.
	Nobody wants to interfere in other people's lives.
	They don't want To see discrimination, bigotry, hatred, hate crimes even less against people because of their sexual orientation or whatever.
	And they don't want the behavior of minorities criminalized at all.
	I was a champion.
	I got a Stonewall Award in the 1990s in the British Parliament.
	For my, quite lonely at that time, it was before it was really hit, my quite lonely stand in favour of equality between gay people and straight people, for example.
	George is not wrong here.
	He has historically been seen as an ally to the gay community, specifically championing both gay marriage and the lowering of the age of consent between gay people from 18 to 16, so that it was in line with the age of consent between straight people.
	I mean, in hindsight, should have probably just raised the other one up to 18, but okay.
	Either way, he has voted consistently in favor of gay rights when he's been in Parliament.
	Which puts us in an interesting position.
	Yeah, because George, historically being an ally, at least of some kind, what he says next, honestly... Especially in the 90s.
	That's a big fucking deal.
	Right.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	There are things that he has said and done in this area that are commendable.
	And yet he then goes and says this.
	So I'm untouchable in terms of many of my staff Friends are gay.
	And always have been in 37 years in public life.
	I have had such gay people close to me, oftentimes even living in my house.
	So I'm untouchable as a bigot on this.
	But I don't want my children to be prematurely Sexualized in any case.
	I have young children, as you do yourself.
	My youngest child is three.
	I have five children in the school system.
	I don't want them taught about sex prematurely, and I don't want them taught About sexual preference and orientation and the trans agenda and so on.
	I want to do that.
	They're my children, not the school's children.
	They're not the state's children.
	I want to educate my children on these personal and social matters According to the ethos in which I believe.
	I am a Roman Catholic, and that is where I stand.
	It's the faith of my fathers.
	I will never leave it.
	And I want to be able to bring up my children with these ethics at the forefront of their personal and social education.
	Oh dear.
	I would be mighty curious to see what a lesson about trans people from George Galloway would look like.
	That's a seminar I would attend out of curiosity alone, but I imagine it would go nowhere good.
	Yeah, it's talking point stuff.
	I don't even believe he believes that.
	Everything else, it feels like If he believes all these other things.
	He's signing on because he can?
	Because it's fortuitous politically?
	He's just a bundle of conflicting ideas.
	Yeah, that's wild.
	I feel like I'm listening to two different people talk.
	Yeah, literally from one clip to the next.
	It's like, ah, what direction are we going?
	I get to expect a guy that looks and dresses like this guy to say like, so my best friends are gay.
	Like, okay, man, fine.
	I'll take it.
	There was a time when we were thrilled to hear that.
	That was a long time ago, but that used to be a big fucking deal because what you're used to is very different.
	But also, that person wouldn't say both of those things.
	Ever.
	Exactly.
	Ever.
	Exactly.
	Oh dear.
	Now he's not quite finished in this little line of bigotry, so I'll let him finish his thought.
	I don't trust it to a here-today-gone-tomorrow schoolteacher working for a liberal politician who's also here-today-gone-tomorrow, rootless, maybe faithless, almost certainly faithless.
	So these are issues, if you like, in which I, an otherwise radical individual, Can be credibly described as small c, conservative on these social matters.
	I'm against many of the things that liberals insist upon for themselves.
	And my view is, do it.
	Go ahead.
	Enjoy it, if that's what you call enjoyment.
	But don't frighten the horses and don't do it in front of my children.
	Oh, dear.
	I mean, you should be relieved to find that most of what he said that he doesn't want to happen isn't happening.
	Right?
	True.
	True.
	Yeah.
	I think that's not going to be the case.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, well what we've somehow landed on is do what you want, just don't do it in public.
	With the unspoken part of that sentence being unlike the cisgendered heterosexual people who will still carry on doing whatever they want.
	Yeah, so that's a delightful finish to a delightful thought.
	Also, Bigotry against atheists there.
	That was a nice little note to throw in.
	Those rootless, faithless teachers teaching about sex and gender, how very dare they.
	Yeah.
	I mean Roman Catholic.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	He's a throwback, man.
	She's giving Ron Paul and other kind of libertarian, like, boy, Yeah, the concept of do what you want in your own homes kind of thing.
	I'm like, Oh, I've not heard that in a while.
	Okay, you know, this is this is this harks back.
	We're gonna move on a touch, and Russell is going to ask a question about globalism.
	And Galloway goes to a place which I personally dislike, but Russell fucking loves this answer.
	George, I've got a few quick questions about globalism that I'd love to get your perspective on.
	Do we need NATO anymore?
	In 2024, what will NATO do for us?
	You know, I spoke in Parliament on this yesterday.
	And they were all shifting very uncomfortably indeed, because I was busting their bubble.
	And now they know that what was once confined to the Parliament Channel, watched by a few thousand geeks, is now on all of our social media platforms and getting millions of views of my speech and their uncomfortableness.
	And I made the point.
	I said, Donald Trump's coming, you know.
	He's coming in November.
	And he doesn't much like your NATO that you have all spent your entire careers burrowing around in.
	And Donald Trump has made clear that your war in Ukraine will end on day one of a Trump presidency.
	There'll be not one more dollar, not one more bomb or bullet.
	Going to the Zelensky regime.
	When I said Zelensky regime, the whole house transformed.
	Their faces assumed grotesque grimaces.
	I mean, I wish someone could have painted it.
	As my good wife said, I wish the wind had come in and frozen their faces like that in all their ugliness.
	I mean, they were baying, baying at me when I was telling them that Donald Trump doesn't like your NATO.
	Donald Trump's going to end your Ukraine war.
	Donald Trump thinks the Zelensky regime are crooks that have embezzled billions from the American taxpayer.
	Oh, Russell, you should have been there.
	Does he know about pictures?
	Is he aware about photographs?
	I just yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The photo he's pining for, I'm sure, exists, right?
	Like that's that's.
	Well, I mean, you would think.
	If all these politicians were baying at him like he's saying, I mean, surely that would be viral footage.
	We'd all have it all the time in our news feeds.
	Not what occurred.
	When I say the man has an ego that can be seen from space, it does come through a little bit there.
	As to the self-aggrandizing nature of, I gave this speech and they were outraged!
	I cut the next part out actually, but he does go on to compare himself to the protagonist in a Jack London book.
	Where the main character was laying out all the crimes in front of a local chamber of politicians, you know, and compares himself to the main character.
	Okay, the politician is full of himself.
	Front page news.
	Stop the press.
	Anyway, from that, I think we can safely say exactly where Galloway lands on the issue of Ukraine in any case, and it seems like he has hopped on the Trump train pretty firmly as well, which is great.
	Which is great.
	He's coming in November, everybody!
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Well, no, that sounded like a threat.
	I heard that as a threat.
	Like, Trump is coming.
	Like, that's... Yeah.
	That's what that sounded like to me.
	Not like that he's into it, but also, I'm at this point...
	I won't be surprised, but that's not what that sounds like to me.
	Because also, that threat is made constantly here.
	Yes, yeah, no, no.
	That's a very popular threat to make here.
	Or maybe people need to be shaken out of their complacency, you know?
	No, he's very much of the perspective that, oh, Parliament are all bought into NATO and it's all of this lot that are for the Ukraine war and he's against the Ukraine war and fucking hates NATO.
	So when he brings up Trump is coming in November, what he's trying to say, what he's trying to communicate to Parliament is, ha, you guys are all going to be fucked because you're all wrong and Trump agrees with me.
	Okay, out of context it sounds like a threat to me.
	Yes, yeah, no, I can see that.
	Yeah, yeah, no, I see what you mean.
	But yeah, no, he's fully on board.
	Delicious.
	Anyway, we've got one final clip.
	And it's, honestly, it's the last example to add to the mountain of conflict in Galloway's head.
	It's a little bit longer, but stick with it.
	I wonder what it means when Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens, on the subject of this war in particular, can't find a way of allowing each other free speech, of coming together in unity.
	What does it tell us?
	Is there something unique about this conflict?
	It's become divisive in places where there was at least a burgeoning sense of potential unity and real opposition.
	Yeah, it ought not to have been a deal-breaker on the issue of free speech.
	Candace and Ben Shapiro have quite similar views on a lot of things and ought to have been able to live with their difference on this subject.
	As I said earlier, Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, and Candace Owen are all moving In the direction towards my position, and I find that very interesting and very significant, and actually inevitable.
	I honestly can't understand how anyone can look at the pictures and videos that I'm looking at, and they are presumably looking at, and come to any other conclusion, unless you believe in exceptionalism, you see.
	Unless you believe that some of us are more exceptional than others.
	Some of us are chosen and therefore some of us, by definition, are not.
	If you believe that, then you'll believe anything.
	And if you believe that, you'll believe that the inferior will have to bow down to the superior.
	The unexceptional bowing down to the exceptional.
	And I'm religiously forbidden to believe in such things, as well as politically disinclined to do so.
	So I don't think it's the issue itself.
	It's the issue of exceptionalism.
	And that's what we have to dish.
	It's the one thing that will always divide the likes of Robinson with me.
	It's the one thing that will always divide a fascist with me.
	Because a fascist, a Robinsonist, believes that they are exceptional, that the people they support are chosen somehow.
	If you believe that we're all God's children, if you believe that we're all the sons of Adam, Then you cannot believe in exceptionalism or chosenness or ideas of superiority.
	And I'm very glad that I was born and grew up in an atmosphere that would never have tolerated any such ideas on my part.
	Like how your church has a king?
	And a very strict hierarchical structure?
	Maybe I'm being finicky here as well, but what exactly counts as a chosen people?
	I mean, I know he clearly takes that issue with the Jews, and But I would argue that people who follow a specific ideology, that because they did so upon their death then get led into a kingdom of heaven, counts as a chosen people in at least some way, because not everyone gets to go to heaven, right?
	It's almost like it's a fundamental flaw in the whole system.
	Yeah, in fact, you know, one one might say that wars have been fought over that very kind of elitism that he's describing, many, many of which were pioneered by the Catholic Church.
	But no, he grew up in an environment that wouldn't allow that.
	OK.
	Yeah, a lot of a lot of that was was pretty dog whistly stuff.
	Pretty, pretty antisemitic kind of undertones coming out there, which is Delightful.
	And yeah, he can't see why Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens wouldn't be able to bury the hatchet over this issue.
	Then it's not for you to know, man.
	Come on.
	For real.
	If you can't see it, keep looking.
	Don't make me fucking defend Ben goddamn Squeaky from Shapiro.
	But the straws broke the camel's back.
	Honestly, it was a very let-em-fight.
	It still is a very let-em-fight moment because it was inevitable.
	In an ecosystem where fucking nothing like this is inevitable, it finally got like, I don't even know the ins and outs of how bad Candace Owens got to get to that point where The Daily Wire finally fucking kicked her to the curb.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's pretty amazing.
	It's pretty amazing that of all the things that Candace Owens has said on her show, it was stuff to do with that that crossed the line.
	Well, it was personal.
	Yes, exactly.
	It was personal.
	Exactly.
	It was personal enough, and it wasn't the one thing.
	It was the cumulative, undeniable, brazen effect Of like, they had their token.
	They had their token black lady, and they couldn't even stomach it.
	It's really honestly amazing.
	I'm amazed that it happened.
	Yeah!
	Yeah!
	There's a line.
	I was shocked to find that.
	Okay, so Mike's also been out of town for a week, so I'm miserable.
	I'm fully miserable.
	Everything sucks.
	And so much news has happened that we're just texting each other articles all day.
	Like, it's crazy.
	Articles and screenshots of like, well, One less bridge.
	Where was the Mothman?
	What are we doing?
	Like, you know, infrastructure.
	Nightmares.
	All the time.
	Yes.
	And that was one of the first things that, like, my very favorite best friend person wasn't here to just, like, bitch about it on the couch.
	Like, it's just so... It was a moment where, like, I can't believe... It's amazing there was a line.
	It's amazing anyone was paying attention or gave a shit!
	Like, wow!
	So there is, like, that's the thing, too, that, um, I think that that's what is so incredible.
	Is that, like, oh, there is, like, you, you drawing a line in the sand and then sticking to your guns.
	Ben Shapiro slash Daily Wire means that, oh, there is, in fact, a line.
	So, we didn't know that there was really a line.
	And now, oh, there is a line?
	Like, she's not in jail.
	Like, she's not, like, she's not, like, catching, like, J6 charges.
	Like, she's, like, that's normally, I was like, well, we gotta have to, you know, like, that's one of those, it's like, you know, like, well, we gotta let you go.
	You get it?
	You get it?
	You know, like, no, she was, like, kicked to the curb, like, oh, there is a line.
	What do you know?
	It's the same thing with, like, that's what really, like, got me about the last clip, is at the end he invoked Gaza, right?
	And what is happening to fucking Palestine right now, like, it's...
	Because how I feel about it and what I see what is so revolting to me because yeah I wake up every day and I check the news and I see the app like I I'm just a regular person and I didn't know how many different colors that dead children could turn like I didn't know how many different colors that a dead child.
	Could be.
	I get to know that now.
	And the thing is, looking away is fucking inappropriate.
	Not talking about it is fucking inappropriate.
	It's so outrageous.
	It is so acutely painful for so many of us, and we are correct to feel that way.
	The thing is, the implication Like, from October 7th, which I have not forgotten what the American establishment has been putting out to the world, in addition to what they have allowed and supported Israel to do, and to say, I'm not forgetting that these are the people
	Who have known, have had access.
	The government, the military, higher-ups, they have known what this looks like.
	They've been able to see everything that we're seeing now, they've been able to see it for a long time.
	And the fact that they are not affected, the fact that they made all the policy choices that they have, To this point, and are so wildly fucking detached from the rest of us, and are like, um, basic care for humanity?
	The most fucking basic shit!
	Like, oh!
	I'm looking at people that have been in power for decades and have had access to the same, if not much more detailed, maybe it's their job to collate all the data that we are now seeing just bits and pieces of, and the indictment on the moral character or even just like the ability to make the right decision, Like, it's honest, I can't, well, no, I do think about it a lot and it just sucks.
	The fact that anyone in power...
	That has a fucking one crossword to say, one couching word to say about any of this, about any of the stuff that's happening in Gaza that we see.
	They've seen so much more of it and they still made the decisions that they have for decades.
	That tells me you're a pack of fucking monsters and you're also bad at your job because Again, like I was mentioning earlier, even if you want to be selfish, selfish long-term thinking would look different than where we're at right now.
	Any kind of reasonable, any ability to assess the problem with Netanyahu that we are now facing Um, coulda told ya.
	I coulda told you that a long time ago.
	Any politician, in America at least, so who I'm speaking for, any American politician that is surprised by any action that Netanyahu has taken so far, you're a fucking sucker and you shouldn't have your job.
	If you have any amount of power or authority and you're surprised by anything that's happening, Because now we all know, all us regular degular assholes know what they've been seeing for decades and what they are well aware of.
	Like the indictment that we're that we are going to have to reckon with as a people in the long term is that they are fundamentally so Out of touch with, like, basic human shit.
	Like, basic- Basic human empathy.
	Yeah, basic, like, yeah, this, like, basic, like, kind of, um, like, what in government has taken your ability to What tells me that you even give a shit about American lives if this is how you can treat other lives that you've been in charge of making the decisions for for decades at this point?
	I mean, there is evidence to suggest that they don't give a shit about American lives, and that's why America's in the situation it's in.
	I would make that argument!
	Even cynically!
	Even a cynical, like, being able to manage this, like, not getting yourself to the point where Netanyahu can make this kind of decision, like, that can keep making these decisions, and can keep being in power to be able to do what he's doing, Listen, if we're gonna be nefarious, we can nefare occasionally for ourselves, or even just for our logical... Nefare logically, ma'am, sir.
	Results or whatever, yeah.
	Or anything.
	I think that a lot of what is... The subtext being, oh my god, you're all fucking monsters and you're incompetent, Both of those things, at least we thought we had competent monsters, but now they're also fuckwits, and we can all see it.
	We can all see it, because your thoughts don't go past the end of a fiscal quarter.
	That's the world that we've been living in, and now it's all finally tumbling, all dumping out of the back of the truck onto the street.
	Well, I mean, though you say we can all see it, and I think this is the problem, partly, that George Galloway stumbled across, which is that he assumes that people who aren't critical of the Israeli government are seeing the same things that he is.
	And I can guarantee you they very much are not.
	And I saw a poll just yesterday that I think it was 50% of Americans have an awareness that there are thousands of casualties in Gaza. 50%.
	So, you know, and even with even with something of this magnitude, you know, of this of this global proportions with a global awareness.
	And there are still so many people who are completely clueless.
	Yeah.
	Well, you're you're right for like, I apologize for my in unspecific language.
	I'm having a time today.
	But the like, I'm talking about like, Whose fault is that?
	Whose fault is that, that we don't all know?
	Yeah.
	My indictment is for the people that can see it, that it's their job to see it.
	There's so many fucking ex-military, well, probably not current, because they fuck with their job or whatever, but so many military dudes are like, even the way that they are executing this, they being Israels, executing this genocide, The way they're doing it's fucking bad and stupid.
	And deaths on both sides are Israel's fault.
	Because Israel is putting, like, is, I mean, just the inner workings of how they are, like, the danger they are putting on, like, untrained, kind of, like, there's, like, 19-year-old higher-ups are like sergeants and colonels and shit, and that's one of those really bad signs.
	There's a lot of red flags as to how their military is even structured, which I've tried to listen to a lot.
	Or as whatever I can, and even like people that worked in intelligence and they worked and they were in the military and they had, you know, like kind of pretty serious jobs.
	They're like, I can't really tell exactly how they're structured.
	That's not a great sign.
	That's like a- No!
	When Gordon Ramsay shows up and he's like, who's in charge here?
	And nobody knows, you know, like, well, that's, that's, that's, that's a problem.
	This is the first problem.
	Big bad.
	Big bad.
	Okay, yeah, right, like, well, this is a symptom of a, like, fundamental concern.
	It's just like, not like, alright, there is a scene from Casino that I fucking love, and it's the artistic stylings of Joe Bob Briggs Brought it together perfectly where he's like, you know, some like local yokel that works for Robert De Niro at the, you know, at at the casino and basically, you know, like there's
	Thieves who come in and they rig the games, three jackpots in a row, and Joe Bob was in charge of these slot machines, and that shouldn't have happened.
	Because it's a fucking casino.
	It's a money prison.
	Everybody knows everything.
	Rule number one.
	Yeah, they've got it.
	You're not going to outsmart them.
	And so getting outsmarted, basically, Robert De Niro's like, either you were in on it, or you're too stupid to know that you were being taken advantage of.
	Either way, you're out of here.
	And that was the downfall of Ace Rossi in the movie, and it's unfortunate.
	But man, that scene fucking rings true to me so much.
	And either way, you're out of here.
	Either you're complicit, or you're too stupid to handle the job that you've got.
	Either way, you are un-fucking-qualified.
	And that's, it's so outrageous.
	So for him to use, like, that's, that's the, the visual and the, like, that's what popped in my head at the end of what he was talking about.
	And he's trying to equate, like, the valiance, you know, like this, like, valiant efforts of Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, and Alex Jones, and then to invoke the pictures that we, and the video we see from Gaza every day.
	That's fucked up.
	I don't like that one bit.
	Like... Yeah, yeah.
	And that is George Garland.
	But back to the subject of whose fault it is of people having
	less of an awareness, you know, thinking about it, I mean, obviously, the media is complicit and you know, the
	the great kind of divide there, but I can't see this landing
	more squarely on anyone's shoulders than Joe Biden. Yeah, if because if if Joe Biden had come out this entire time
	and be like, Oh, yeah, thousands of children are being
	slaughtered We need to do something about that.
	At the very least, people would report on it.
	There might be a broader fucking awareness.
	Oh, the president's saying that all of these children are getting murdered over there.
	Ha!
	Our presidents never- I mean, our presidents don't do that.
	I don't- I'm not surprised at all.
	I'm- I'm- I'm disappointed.
	I'm not shocked.
	It's fucked up.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I mean, the media is the fourth estate for a reason.
	You know, like, Nixon didn't show up and say, I am a crook.
	I'll get out of here.
	That's not what the American president literally ever does.
	Mission accomplished banner.
	That's not... I mean, the...
	There is a whole ecosystem supporting the disinformation and just the insane, fictitious counter-narrative.
	They don't even try anymore.
	There's no video of empty boxes with the word medical supplies in English anymore.
	They're not even trying.
	And the thing is that what I'm concerned about is Joe Biden is trying so hard to lose this election.
	Like, the Democrats and like, I don't even know.
	It's so hard.
	Also, like just listening to George Galloway talk in general, it's so hard to hear about and get excited.
	About breaking from this two party system that at least that I've, it's hard to hear every time.
	I don't disagree that we need to have enthusiasm for other parties.
	We need to have, you know, a rich and varied discourse with a lot of different voices.
	But then when it comes time to vote, we just have to grit our teeth and make a miserable choice that is millimeters less bad.
	It's a fucking awful feeling.
	And I resent the system I've had to grow up because I got that message before I was ever...
	I got that message loud and clear.
	I was 16 in the year 2000, and it was fucked up and upsetting.
	I got that message before I could even vote, and I was begging everyone in my life that could vote to please do something about this.
	Yeah.
	And then I was like, oh, that doesn't even matter?
	You can just Supreme Court it?
	Oh, fuck.
	Shit.
	Okay.
	Well, all right.
	That's a thing.
	Like, the message has been clear from the jump, but the fact that, like, they're also incompetent.
	Like, they can't even manage it.
	Like, their brains are still stuck in 2006.
	Um, it's just, it's so, it's, you know, like, on a, on a visceral, like, human level, it's a, it's a nightmare.
	And on, like, a detached, logical level, y'all are dumb and bad at this.
	You're bad at your jobs of, like, maintaining, just even maintain, y'all can't even get it together to maintain a status quo, like, because you're not gonna.
	You're not gonna.
	You haven't been and you're not going to.
	So, I just, it really, like, that was kind of the feeling, the malaise, the glaze of malaise over his, kind of his whole presentation was, yeah, I want more varied voices in politics so bad.
	And I know that like we're gonna have this counter narrative of somebody that we barely know that might also be extremely fucked up that is gonna be like I'm another option and it's just gonna be a separate weird disaster.
	Um and like it's this is this is it's it really feels like a no-brainer to a lot because like yeah man I know that people don't pay attention to the news and they're probably their free time is probably way cooler than mine I'm sure um I'm positive actually um but like The people that do give a shit.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I'm complaining about the people that are supposed to be good at this and supposed to be able to give a shit.
	And y'all, I need to drive this point home.
	I'm sorry.
	I need to inflict it on all of you.
	And it's therapeutic for me.
	And I'm sorry, but I'm also not.
	Understanding that what we are seeing from Gaza is this tiny little, just like a keyhole onto The information, intel, and exposure that people that are in charge of governing have been able to access for a long time and understanding like every choice I've ever, every word they've said in public, every choice I've ever seen them make, every fucking dollar they've taken out of my pocket is, I'm questioning it and I'm fucking furious because I know
	Me and all of my, like, my cohort, my peers, how we're reacting to this information, how we're reacting to this genocidal nightmare, and how it just, like, either you're in on it or you're too stupid to do your job and you gotta be outta here.
	There is an indictment that is a special, like, from a practical political sense, there is a, um, I didn't think it could be ratcheted up a notch, but it's like, wow, y'all are so bad at this.
	And this being governing and being a human person.
	Terrible at it.
	Like, next level bad.
	Next level bad.
	Yeah, and you're not wrong.
	I think this election year is going to be a really tough one for both the US and the UK in terms of just gritting our fucking teeth and just having to go, okay, I guess it's going to be you then.
	You know, because, yeah, we know, like, it's fucking horrendous, but we've seen that the alternative is worse, and it's difficult to imagine.
	But it is worse!
	And we've been down that road, and we know that.
	Oh, absolutely!
	Absolutely.
	We have to do this, and it's horrible.
	But also, it's our civic duty, I guess.
	And then, I don't know, maybe we should burn it all down.
	I don't know.
	I mean, we're so far from burning anything down.
	It's just it's it's it's.
	If we tried, Keir Starmer would put us all in prison for four times as long as we should be.
	Right, exactly.
	Yeah, I mean, and I admit, I have the heart of a prepper, like I always have, you know?
	So like, I never pine for the days of shit hitting the fan, but there's a lot of people that are, and I don't, just the thing is, I've never really I, the position we're being put in as voters, as citizens, is so fucking outrageous.
	And so also like I don't blame people for not wanting to fucking do, I kind of do.
	I get it.
	I empathize.
	I get it, but I like, yeah, I can't blame you a little bit.
	That's fucked up.
	Yeah.
	But also, yeah, you do still need to do the thing.
	You gotta pay attention.
	This is the thing.
	It's big.
	And I think that there's a lot of activists out there that are saying like, this is a, like, they are, they're definitely pointing out, this is a make or break.
	Moment.
	And no, it doesn't, like, the thing is, is these things don't happen logically.
	It's not just because the, you know, there are other problems that are happening, you know, in Congo and the Sudan, like, there are things that are happening that are also terrible.
	And I'm sorry that we're not, like, it's not hitting the same place in my, I mean, it's still all over my feed.
	But also to me, it's like, not new, which is also a special kind of sad.
	And so that kind of like, that Yeah, I don't know.
	I mean, I... Well, I just thought about all the other stuff and then my thought went away, but like... It can have that effect.
	Yeah, right?
	Yeah, kind of like wipe my brain, because like, it's just, it's not...
	I didn't hear a lot of things from him this episode that made me like, oh my God, furious.
	And that bothers me in and of itself.
	It's its own kind of problem.
	And I don't know what we do to reconcile The tendency of the left to eat itself, because that's also part of the problem.
	Because the left here, they could fix all of it.
	They could fix all of it.
	There's a lot of situations where they're like, there's a lot of excuses.
	scale of Mitch Bacano, the old turtle. Like, there's a lot of excuses and like, yeah, we're
	at a moment where like, we can all see that the Emperor is not wearing clothes.
	Yeah.
	Because honestly, I can't say that the other 50% of those Americans polled that don't know about what's happening in Palestine, right?
	That other half, I don't know that they're unreachable.
	Maybe if we were doing a better job and maybe if we being our government and the media like a lot of that is on the media because and it's not on the government it's that the media is there for a reason and the fact that like the media has been driving so much of this fucking insane rhetoric absolute disinformation the debunking that's been coming out is I never thought I would see the same tired-ass weird playbook to drive us to another manufactured consent conflict because it was so outlandish to watch the last one.
	And there was so much more control of information.
	And they can't even adjust to social media.
	Like, y'all aren't even smart enough to adjust for, like, 20 year difference.
	Y'all haven't even updated your iOS in your brain.
	Well no, what we do is we get rid of TikTok, and that will solve the problem.
	It's also not getting rid of TikTok, which is funny.
	It's not a ban.
	Yes, yeah, yeah.
	It's just making American companies, like, making them sell to an American company, which is fucking hilarious to me.
	It's like, if we're stealing from Americans, we can only steal from Americans, which is also a lie.
	And what?
	Oh, Steve Mnuchin's gonna buy it?
	Tight, cool, great idea, great plan.
	Yeah, who the fuck are these people?
	Where are their ideas even coming from?
	What is in your head?
	Yeah, I don't know and I don't understand.
	Honestly, I don't give a shit what the pro-Israeli government people have to say because there is nothing in the world that you could say to me that would justify what is happening.
	There is no argument ever at all on the face of the planet that someone could make that makes any of it justifiable.
	Yeah.
	I mean, like, you know, like, as a person that, like, also, I was 60 in 2000 and 2001.
	So I viscerally remember 9-11.
	I still had to finish my fucking drawing 101 critique.
	God damn it.
	It was crazy.
	And it was nuts.
	So it was so funny.
	Not funny.
	Horrible.
	Watching that happen, experiencing it, it was fucking horrible.
	And the, some Israeli, like, I don't know if it was the news or one of their, their government was like 10, 9, 11, October 7th, which like, is it a competition?
	I don't know about that.
	But also like, we haven't had to go back and Find out, well, actually, there's like kind of the victim count who got a little wrong and then more articles coming.
	I was like, well, what happened?
	And I was like, well, maybe it was like kind of not as bad as we said, or like maybe it was a little overblown.
	You know, like we had the experience and and it happened and we all watched it and.
	There wasn't a lot of takesies-backsies and this is a situation where it is so weird, it's so weird to watch the debunking And no one wants to do that.
	No one wants to minimize, no one wants to have to fact check the New York Times every fucking word that they print.
	All of these, like, no one wants to question victims.
	We're not, like, the debunkers are not the ones that choose to be put in that position.
	The people that lie and misconstrue and spin are the ones putting us in the position, just like Netanyahu is the ones putting, like, is putting both Palestinians and Israelis in danger.
	Yeah.
	Just like it's that much crazier.
	I mean, it makes people like Alex Jones who thinks everything is a false flag.
	It makes him sound rational.
	Right.
	Yeah, it makes him sound rational, which is like, that's not what we should be doing.
	That's not what we should be doing.
	Yeah.
	No.
	And, you know, I mean, even on a much smaller scale with Russell, you know, I don't want to have to question literally every word that comes out of his mouth, but I have to because I have been put in that position.
	You know, we go back to when he was on Tucker's show talking about his kids and whatever, you know, it was very uncomfortable for me to have to be like, Is that true?
	Yeah, but that's the fucking job and I've been put in that position because of the guy himself.
	Which is, yeah, it's just a bleak situation all around on all possible levels.
	And that's where we're at.
	All right, we've taken a bit of a detour from George Galloway.
	But also, it's what he's talking about.
	It's what he's talking about.
	It's what he's talking about.
	And we haven't necessarily had the space to discuss it elsewhere.
	Yeah, that.
	Yeah, sorry.
	Sorry, not sorry.
	Hey, hey, hey, you know, it comes up and it deserves talking about, so hey.
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