Alex Stein and Joel Webbin dissect right-wing media, contrasting "moral boomers" with a newer generation of culturally influential yet controversial figures. Webbin, identifying as a Christian nationalist pastor, argues democracy is flawed because it is run by the unqualified, advocating instead for a "righteous hand" of government to enforce traditional values like two-parent homes and male leadership. He rejects secular timelines and evolution in favor of religious explanations, citing Gobekli Tepe's age and believing the rapture occurred in 70 AD. While Stein predicts a future of sensationalist short-form content or metaverse simulations, Webbin envisions real-world confrontation, concluding that societal stability requires rejecting materialism and embracing authentic family structures over external validation. [Automatically generated summary]
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Be Unapologetically Yourself00:01:51
And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your country.
Radical Christian nationalist pastor, Joel Webbin.
Joel Webbin.
I'm gonna talk about Joel Webbin today.
Joel Webbin is an excellent.
All right, here we are, part two.
Alex Stein, thanks for coming.
I get a two part series.
I feel so good about myself, Joel.
Thank you for having me.
I really appreciate it.
So nice we had to do it twice.
Yeah, so I wanted to ask you you've been in the media scene longer than I have.
I mean, I.
Well, dude, you've been crushing it.
You just got in it and blew up pretty quick, Joel.
Thanks, man.
But real quick, I want to talk about me.
But, you know, this is what I want to encourage people, and we'll get into this in the show you probably didn't expect that you'd have a lot of success this fast, but you just kind of started speaking.
Without being filtered, you're just speaking your mind, going with your gut.
And that's what I try to encourage people to do is that we try to always fit, you know, what is it, a square peg in a round hole instead of just trying to be yourself.
And that's really what I tell college kids when I go and speak at college campuses.
The best advice you can give somebody is to be unapologetically yourself.
But if you think in your mind, oh, if I would have started a podcast sooner, I would have been more successful sooner.
Respect for Mormons00:03:26
Not really.
You kind of needed your whole life to really get your world outlook and your viewpoint that you have.
And that's why you're so successful, is because you don't pull any punches.
Thanks.
Yeah, I think courage is in short supply.
And if people see courage, they're attracted to it.
And people are getting more religious.
That is finally changing.
We're finally seeing the trend where young people are identifying as Christian more.
And I remember being young and like our teacher telling us, people are becoming less religious.
And that really was the.
That was true for a while.
That was true, yeah.
And now the pendulum has swung.
So I think you're kind of riding, you're here at a time when it's needed, when more people want to go hear a podcast where they can actually get some sort of.
You know, scripture based analysis instead of just listening to, you know, psycho babble from maybe me, Alexine, because, you know, a lot of what I do is not scripture based, but my point is there is an audience that is more hungry for this sort of information than there probably was 10 years ago.
Yes.
So I see there being like a pretty sizable chasm between, you know, two different groups on the right that there's, and I'm not just saying politically between like, you know, the neocons and the MAGA now emerging, you know, America first, but.
Take the politics out of it for a second, but just thinking of media and different ethos and style and mechanics and those kinds of things, there are guys who are more Bible based, like what you just described, and are pretty standout guys.
And I don't even mean they're all Christian.
Like Ben Shapiro is a Jew.
Old Testament based.
But Ben Shapiro, I don't have a lot of good things to say about him.
I'm not really a fan.
That said, though, to be fair, because I don't like when people are unfair.
Ben Shapiro, if I asked him to babysit my kids, I would trust him.
I would trust him.
And see, that's the thing is I doubt that Ben Shapiro has ever cheated on his wife.
Yeah.
I think that he would hand my children back to me safely.
He's a smart guy, too.
He's also, he is intelligent and he's well spoken.
I don't know if he's that well spoken.
I listen, I'm a little smart, me, but gosh, I can't hardly listen to Ben Shapiro.
When I say well spoken, I mean he's articulate.
It doesn't necessarily mean that the tone of his voice is pleasing, but you know what I mean.
Yeah.
Here's my point.
So, on one side of right wing media, you have the Glenn Becks, the Ben Shapiro's, the guys who basically, let's describe them as guys who would come off as a little bit more serious and would be more religious based, more morality based.
I know Glenn Beck is a Mormon and Ben is a Jew.
Well, real quick, though, I got to cut you off.
You know, Mormonism, there is some weird.
Points of it, but every Mormon that I know is usually dialed in and works hard.
Oh, of course.
I'm saying I actually have a lot of respect for Mormons.
I don't know if the magic underwear and some of the stuff is a little bizarre, but if it actually.
Religiously speaking, it's terrible.
But in terms of the people, they're great people.
They're some of the most stand up moral people.
Like if I lived, if I could live in an all Christian neighborhood of Christian Haitians or an all Mormon neighborhood of the only kind of Mormons there are, white as the driven snow, I would live in the Mormon.
And Salt Lake City's nice.
Have you ever been to Salt Lake City?
I don't have even been there, but it's nice.
Rap Music and Demographics00:03:34
The demographics have something to do with that.
Yeah, of course.
You know, like we know this.
It's like, you know, when Gavin Newsom came out recently, he was like, Well, what state was it?
Maybe it was either Alabama or it was one of the states of the South.
And it was like, your murder rate is higher than ours, you know?
And you hate on Democrats, but our policies are working.
It's like, okay, let's pull up this state in the South.
Let's pull up the demographics and let's pull up the demographics of California.
And I did it.
It was the easiest thing in the world to do.
Palos Verdes, all that percentage of the population.
Yeah, the Southern state was like, it was like, A like 1.6 or 1.7 to 1 in terms of the murder rate, but it was a 2 to 1 in terms of black residents per capita.
You know what I would argue, though, too, is that I actually think the problem with black culture, and I tell you this all the time, I'm such a conspiracy theorist, it's the two parent home.
I actually don't think that's a huge part.
That is a big part of it where a lot of these women have babies and multiple baby daddies and multiple baby mamas.
And that is kind of what causes problems because my dad was heavily involved in my life.
I don't know what your background was, but I'm guessing your dad might have.
Did you ever see Zach Gallopin act?
He's like, my dad would never do that.
He loved me.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Yeah, my dad's great.
My dad's a member of my church.
He's leading the congregation through song.
My mom is playing piano every Sunday night.
We do a game night.
My wife and my parents.
My parents are incredible.
Yeah.
I'd be nowhere without them.
And my mom is a little bit.
When I was adopted as a baby, I would be a deadbeat.
If it wasn't for my parents adopting me as a child, as a baby, I, yeah, that would have massive effects.
So, a lot of times we want to make it just about, you know, skin color.
I really think it's just more about your nature versus nurture.
And if your nature is no parent and you're listening to degenerate rap music, because I do think that that going to the conspiracy side is that, you know, original rap music wasn't like get a gun, shoot a person.
It was actually just more about hip hop and, you know, like I can't even think of the names of the bands that I'm thinking, but I'm just saying it wasn't as degenerate.
But I do think that.
And if you look at Billy Corgan, he has a good.
He talks about how the reason why the Smashing Pumpkins weren't even more popular is because he noticed a trend where all of a sudden the Smashing Pumpkins, even though they were a rock band, they were being played on the pop charts.
You know, it was a big crossover music.
He said in the 2000s, all of a sudden it was the rap music that started to really be pushed and pushed and pushed.
And there is an argument to be made.
People like Michael Jordan were infested to it.
The private prison industry kind of came out at the same time.
They needed to fill the private prison industry up.
And so that's why they had more degenerate music because it kind of encouraged more of a degenerate lifestyle.
And like, The perfect example that I use and why I believe this is that I grew up listening to Three Six Mafia.
And at the time, I thought that was so funny.
Making Easy Money, Pippin' Hose This Years, Chicken Head.
I thought the rap was just good.
But I was subconsciously worshiping Satan, you know.
And they ended up winning an Academy Award, the only rap group to win an Academy Award.
I think that was done on purpose because they wanted to make the band that is Three Six Mafia, Triple Six Mafia, they wanted to let the Satanists win.
Who owns those record labels?
Well, of course, a Jewish guy.
It's NWA, you know, owned by a Jewish guy.
So, I'm with you.
Culture, I don't know anybody who's saying that culture is not a major factor.
But just to push back slightly, so like you said, skin color, I don't know anybody saying that culture isn't an issue.
I also don't really know anybody who's saying that skin color is an issue.
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Race Realist Perspectives00:15:27
You know, and so my point is this.
Well, Nigeria, they did that IQ test and they averaged like 71%.
And the guy, he was trying to debate it.
Yeah, and he's like, and very disappointingly, you know, like as he's like, and so the average IQ was 69, you know, and over 52% of participants were underneath 69, you know, underneath 70 IQ.
Yeah, so here's my point.
My point is culture can't be swept under the rug.
That's clear.
That's a major factor.
But at the same time, people are different.
And from a Christian perspective, and this kind of gets back to what I like different forms of right wing media, because I want to come back to that.
But from a Christian perspective, there's really two sides.
So, one, there is a physical side.
We've talked about this on your show.
We're not Gnostics.
We believe that God created a physical world, there are physical distinctions.
Like a woman is different than a man, not just with her personality, but she is physically different than a man.
And we know this.
And I believe that different peoples, tribes, tongues, nations are also different, different strengths, different weaknesses.
I choose one of those.
I want to say this because I want to hear your pushback.
I almost value a woman more because they have the portal of divinity.
Every single soul has come through a woman's uterus, and you and I don't have the ability to do that.
Yeah, I can't birth babies.
Yeah, which is, I think that is arguably the most important characteristic a person can have to keep a society afloat.
I mean, to, you know, I know they need a man to birth.
Women are, yeah, they're irreplaceable.
Yeah.
But so are men.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I hear your point.
Isn't that what they say, though, in the future that the women are going to be able to replace us and they'll just have our, you know, I've heard that.
You know, that's what they say.
I've heard that.
Yeah.
They'll just have sperm banks and we'll be gone, and the only baby that'll come out will be an IVF.
Girl, that yeah, yeah, but they their voting will be terrible, and the countries will go to hell.
I know you're against gay marriage, but I was arguing with somebody about gay marriage, and I'm like, you know, I really don't think it's good.
I, you know, I'm not for gay marriage, but if you're a lesbian, did you know lesbian couples have the highest rate of divorce?
They do, yeah, it's just like, and a really like shockingly high uh rate of physical abuse.
Well, that doesn't surprise me, but I was beating the ground.
I was trying, I was talking to a lesbian, I was like, so go get married, you're gonna get a divorce.
That was kind of my argument to her, uh, yeah.
And so there is something like this is really crazy, and I do believe this, but people are going to say, What are you talking about?
I think being a lesbian is almost fake because two girls can kiss and then she can go marry a guy.
But if two guys kiss, that's gay.
And I know you can, you know, you can maybe, you know, convert and go Christian.
Well, biblically speaking, did you know there's, I mean, the Old Testament has a lot of laws.
So it's not like they just missed it, right?
I mean, you're talking about hundreds, thousands of different civil codes, moral codes, ceremonial codes.
But all you need is the Noahide laws.
But there's no, no, but there was not actually a penalty.
Against lesbianism.
But there was against.
Yes.
Wow.
See, that makes.
That makes.
I'm now my.
And that's not to say that lesbianism is therefore morally permissible.
Yeah.
And it's not to say that God viewed it as morally permissible.
But it's not as repugnant.
It's not as.
It's not.
Yeah.
And I think we kind of know, without being too graphic, one of the reasons why.
Yeah, I agree.
We're lesbians.
We have sex.
No, you don't.
You don't have sex.
Yeah, you don't.
You don't.
I agree.
And two men are.
But men do.
Sodomy.
Yeah.
And it's really, really repugnant.
Kind of gay, you know, they're kind of like, you know, touching each other.
I'm just saying it's just more socially acceptable for women to kind of be touchy and feeling on women.
But a guy, that's weird.
So I think culturally, lesbians are fake.
It's not a real thing.
It really is not a real thing.
I agree.
So all that being said, the point is men and women are different.
I think race is real.
So I would describe myself as a race realist.
So that's the only thing I'm going back to, like, the culture.
And this gets back to the media.
So, you know, back to back to back.
But, like, I think that there are good guys on right wing media.
And when I say good guys, I actually detest their message and a lot of the things that they're promoting.
But I mean, good guys, like they don't cheat on their wife.
I would trust them to watch my kids.
They're stand up guys.
They're moral.
Other than Ben Shapiro being happy that Palestinian children are dying, he's probably an okay guy.
That's what I mean.
That's what I mean.
And then, so here's your Bible based.
And again, I know he's not Bible based.
He's a Jew.
Well, the Old Testament.
I mean, I know.
I'm just saying.
Yeah, but it's the Old Testament undone by the Talmud that, you know.
It's a lot of people.
Here, the No Hide laws, where does that come into play?
Like, why is Ben Shapiro saying a Christian can get into heaven as long as he follows the No Hide laws?
I don't know what Ben Shapiro is saying with that.
But he has said that.
No Talmudic Jew actually believes that.
Oh, they don't.
So that might be unique to him.
I've heard him say that on his podcast.
Maybe he believes that, but no, that's not a staple of Judaism.
Oh, okay.
Not from my awareness.
So my point is just to simply say that you've got some moral guys, whether it's a Glenn Beck or it's a Ben Shapiro or it's a whoever, and these guys usually have some kind of religious claim that's, you know, You know, something over here, you've got you know the new right, ascendant right, whatever you want to call it, that's emerging, America first kind of guys who are like they're they're J Pilled, they're aware of Israel,
they're also very much you know race realist.
You know, some of them are more than race realist, some of them actually are you know maybe a supremacist, you know, or whatever.
But but the point is, these guys don't really care that much about any religious claim, they're not necessarily moral, so they'll say based.
You know, hashtag.
Yeah, and they're kind of pro Muslim.
I know.
See, you know, I see that too.
Yeah.
So, exactly.
So, like, so they say some based things, but they, a lot of them aren't married.
They, they don't, they're not family men.
Yeah.
They're, they get drunk a lot.
They, you know, you find them in the club.
You know, that's what was so funny about like the, the video with like all these right wing guys and Nick is kind of like a fish out of water.
Yeah.
Nick is not a club guy.
But here's the, and I like that about Nick.
And I personally, I wish he hadn't gone even that one time, but I, But I know that he, you know, he didn't drink and he didn't get drunk or anything like that.
But the point is, Nick is the exception.
That's the point I'm making.
I think we both agree.
So Nick is standing like a fish out of water and he stands distinct because he's the only one.
All these other guys are based in some of their talking points, but they're immoral, they're degenerate.
And so, all that being said, back to what you said about me, I think part of the reason for the success, if I might be so bold, I think part of it is because I'm J Pilled, I'm a race realist, I'm I make no apology for that.
I think men should lead everything, not just the church and the home, but in civil politics.
I think men are called by God to lead in society.
So, all these kind of things that you would find over here with kind of like the new right, degenerate right.
And yet, I have five kids and a wife.
I pastor a church.
I use the Bible as a basis for my views.
And I think that's what I was going to say is that, like, with media right now, you've got these guys kind of ascendant and these guys kind of falling off a cliff.
In terms of just views and clout.
So you got the moral boomers, and boomer is a state of mind.
It's not just an age.
You know, like Ben Shapiro is a boomer.
Yes.
Not by age, but by heart.
But to me, it blows my mind that the boomers are so supportive of Israel because it was just the 60s and 70s, people were very critical of Israel and Judaism.
So I'm like, where did this thing, was it the 70s, 80s, 90s?
Because I remember my dad wanted to change my last name to Stone because he said, you know, you're not Jewish, you're going to be, you know, Persecuted for being Stein.
And I was like, well, I don't want to change my last name.
We didn't.
But so my dad was hip to it when I was born in 86.
So people have been critical of Israel.
I guess maybe not outspokenly critical.
For centuries.
Yeah, yeah, to say the least.
Not of Israel, but Jews.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Long before the nation state.
So you're right.
But my point is, take the Israel, that's the issue of the day right now.
But take that out of the equation.
When I say boomers, I just mean like what.
I'm not picking on you, but like, you can pick on it.
Like, they would, you know, like, it's just culture.
Whereas I would say, no, it is culture.
Yeah.
With when it comes to contributing factor.
That is clearly a huge one, not a small one.
At the same time, though, black people are different than white people.
Yeah.
And that doesn't even mean my opinion as a Christian is I actually think that black people can change.
I think all people can change, but slowly over time.
I think any individual can be changed by the Lord Jesus Christ through conversion, by the power of the Holy Spirit, be a Christian, but you still got those demons that you wrestle with.
So it's like, so I actually, I'll put it that way.
It's like how Indians are, not dot Indians, but Native Americans are just.
Totally addicted to alcohol, you know, like that's a genetic thing, yes.
And so, it's like, um, the phrase that I'll use is this besetting sins of particular people, besetting sins of particular people.
What I mean by that is, I think every people group you can look and you can detect certain strengths and certain you know pitfalls and weaknesses.
Um, so I'll you know, I'll pick on white people because I'm white, you know, so that one's easy.
So, Europeans, I would say, and I don't think this was always true of Europeans, I know it wasn't, but I would say for the last 150, arguably even 300 years, definitely the last 150 years.
I would say those of European descent tend to have a weak point, speaking in generality, so not each and every individual, but on the whole, gullible, morally passive, cowardly.
The things that would lend towards social suicide, toxic empathy, just giving away the farm.
It's like, yeah, that's clearly a weak point right now.
And I would say, like, look at the UK.
I think that's a perfect example of it.
Yes.
And I think we could also say that, like, okay, so now we got white people out of the way, started with them.
Black people.
If I am doing the work as an evangelist and I'm ministering and I live in a neighborhood that's predominantly black, and by God's grace, like, He saves the whole neighborhood and they're all a part of my church now.
If it was a white church, like, they're saved.
I'm not saying that they're not Christians.
I'm not saying they don't love Jesus.
And I'm not saying that that didn't make a real.
Detectable moral improvement in their lives.
But I would say, but there's still these besetting sins that die slowly.
They're hard to kill.
And so here's a bunch of white people, and they're Christians and they love Jesus, but there's a propensity in general, not every single one of them and not every single time, but in general, a propensity towards apathy, towards gullibility, towards toxic empathy, preferring others at the expense of their own people, their own children, their own welfare.
And if I was pastoring, you know, here's the black church.
And they're genuinely born again.
They're Christians.
They've grown.
They've improved.
But also, like, I probably, you know, like an ex alcoholic, I wouldn't take them to a bar.
Yeah.
The black church that I'm pastoring, I would, if white people came and visited, I wouldn't say, hey, everybody just leave your bikes out.
Yeah.
And it does seem like they like to talk about it.
Because I want to tempt them.
Yeah, I know.
And they do like to talk about how many people are with us.
Yeah, I know.
There are some character traits that are.
There are some character traits.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so, anyway, so, but my point, that right there, I used it as an example.
Okay.
That's not the point of the podcast, but me saying that right there, right?
That'll get clipped out.
I'll get crap for that.
But you said, like, hey, you, you know, you kind of came out of nowhere and you're growing.
It's because of that.
Yeah.
It's because of that.
You're not pulling horses.
Because what you've got is Glenn Beck, who would never say that.
Yeah.
But also probably not cheat on his wife.
Yeah.
You know, and then you've got Andrew Tate, who would absolutely say that with less qualifiers than I did.
But also, you know, have like OnlyFans models working for him, you know.
And so, but there is a younger generation of men who I think want to be moral and they want to not just be based, they want something tried, true, tradition, old, rooted.
They want religion.
I think people want tradition.
I really do think people want religion.
But they don't want religion, Christianity, particularly if Christianity is what the boomers have insisted it is, which is suicide.
Yeah.
Because the boomers have said toxic empathy is a good description of what's happening.
I think that's what's happening.
So I'm like Christian with a spine.
Muscular Christianity.
I hold to the Christianity that inspired the Crusades.
Yeah.
That fought off entire nations for God, country, and kin.
I believe in that Christianity.
And that, I think, you've got the new degenerate right, you've got the old boomer religious right, but with, you know, that's just basically just handing their grandkids to the grave.
And then you have this gaping chasm in between.
And I predict, I might be wrong, because I'm not the only one, but they are few and far between.
I think the guys who are willing to fill that gap, I think there's a market.
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And I've heard, I don't know if it was Glenn or maybe it was even Ben Shapiro talking about.
There's only about 50 million people that even kind of consume conservative media.
And that's why they are so threatened by Nick or by Tucker because they've taken a big piece of that small pie.
And so I think that's also why you're being able to be successful because it is kind of a smaller pie, but people are not happy with the Glenn Becks necessarily.
So that is why they are able to find you.
And that's why they vibe with what you're saying.
Which the irony is that, like, All those guys, they broke up the legacy media that came before them.
And now we're breaking it.
And they're getting mad about it.
Right.
And they're getting mad.
I mean, like, Ben Shapiro only became a thing because it was like he came in and broke up, you know, part of the market share from Fox News and from, you know, like, and then, you know, and then they don't want to take part of their pie.
Right.
Exactly.
So that's just, that's the way of the world.
That's, you know, and that's continuing.
And I don't see it stopping anytime soon.
But that said, my point is, I'm curious.
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You've been in the media space, you've done a lot of different things.
You've done, you know, we talked about, you know, previously you've done like reality shows.
Yeah, yeah, I worked for a producer for Cheaters, you know, for eight years.
And you've done, you know, you worked at The Blaze for a little while.
And you worked for, you know, so I'm curious, what do you, because I am new to this.
So I gave my little spiel, but now I really want to hear from you.
What do you predict?
Where is this going?
What's right wing media?
If I had to predict far in the future where it's going, sadly, what goes viral, Joel?
Clips of you.
You know, I mean, you can speak on these hour long podcasts.
Nobody cares.
People don't have.
The attention span.
So I think the future, it's going to be like Brave New World, where sadly, I think they called it like the tellies, where it was basically like porno and news.
Like they would go to the theater in there.
It was like, that's literally what our content's going to be like.
It's going to be, and you kind of say the degenerate right, but believe it or not, it's going to be like the movie Idiocracy.
You know what I mean?
And I like Donald Trump.
I know you're a little more critical than I am of him, but he is the grab him by the pussy president.
And that's, I would imagine that there's going to be more grab him by the pussy presidents in the future.
And that's kind of where I see the media landscape going you're going to have to almost make long form content, specifically clip farming for the short form content that people get.
And it's going to be out of context content.
And always, and I think that that is kind of where we're going.
Is that's a direction where people just have such a short attention span, it's just going to be clips, and that's why they don't like Nick because his clips do so well, yeah, yeah, they do.
So, how will that even function as an industry?
Because at that point, it's just you know, D's not scraper 667 who's clip farming, like so.
Nick doesn't even necessarily make money from it, yeah, there's clippers.
So, what do you think will happen with that?
Because somebody will have to still make content for all these guys to clip out.
What will be their incentive?
Well, see, if we're going like What I think is going to happen.
And now with Neuralink, what Elon Musk is doing, that's another complaint that I have with Elon Musk.
Neuralink sounds so good.
Oh, a soldier blows his arm off and now he can have a robotic arm.
And I'm all for that.
But I do think that this is what the, and it's not so distant future actually, that they're going to have us plug into the metaverse and they're going to have us live in some sort of simulation.
And they'll tell everybody, well, in the metaverse, instead of living for 70 years here on Earth, you can live for a million years.
And you plug into this computer.
And in the metaverse, you're like, well, how do you make money?
Well, in the metaverse, you'll probably have credits, you'll be able to buy stuff, and you'll just be looking at ads the whole time.
So I think that this media landscape, luckily now we have ways where people can support independent content creators.
But if that ever dies out, that's what they want.
I think they want us all to literally plug into a computer.
And once you plug into that computer, they'll say, Oh, this is better for climate change.
You'll be intubated, you'll basically be like comatose.
I think that's what they want.
I know that sounds crazy, it might sound too conspiratorial, but I really do believe that is where we're heading, especially with all the new artificial intelligence.
That's what they want us to do is live in this fake world and just be intubated and live in a video game.
And maybe that is not going to happen in our lifetimes, probably not.
But that's kind of where I just see media going because it's just like TV's dead.
Nobody's watching TV.
And all the boomers that are here, sadly, my dad's a boomer.
He's not going to be here in 10 years, probably.
And that, you know, I can just cry thinking about that.
But, and so all the boomers will be gone in 10 years and you and I will be, you know, we'll be a little older.
And just these young people are not going to be watching the same content that we're watching now.
And it's going to be, Drastically different.
I can't really foresee exactly what that is going to be, but I kind of go back to Brave New World.
Like it's going to be short form content like Instagram, tits, and maybe some news.
Like, you know how they have those clips where the women do the news naked?
Like, it's going to be like that, literally that degenerate.
Unless we have people like yourself where we still have a spiritual connection to this world, but they're trying to kill God every single day.
They're trying to hide his existence.
And I don't think that will ever necessarily happen, but a lot of people have fallen into that trap right now.
Potentially more people could fall under that trap.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I think a slop in dated war.
Slop in dated world.
Yeah, is absolutely.
We're going to be watching AI slop constantly.
So, I think that's what the powers that be want.
And there's certainly the mechanisms for that to take place.
But at the same time, there's this other narrative beneath the surface, which you are also firsthand in witnessing, where you have a lot of young people returning to church, returning to Christ, actually wanting to be informed.
Not like I because I see both.
I see like the slot machine, all encompassing slot machine, but I also see like a lot of young people rejecting it.
And debate is huge.
People love debate.
You know, that's what made Charlie big to prove me wrong, but people just love debates.
And you can't, maybe you can do a fake AI debate, but people want to see friction.
People want to see conflict.
And that is, I think that's kind of the future of media, too.
It's like Piers Morgan, look at his show, whether you like him or not.
He just has a bunch of people and basically yell at each other.
Right.
And that's what people want to watch.
Yeah, that's true.
All right.
So, what do you plan on doing long term?
You know, for me, I have, well, it's not a secret weapon because my good friend Savannah Hernandez, I'm sure you saw where she got assaulted at that protest.
Oh, yeah.
I know that at the end of the day, even if my podcast doesn't work out, if this doesn't work out, as long as I go and get content, what they call man on the street, and it doesn't necessarily need to be man on the street interviews, but that's what people want to see the real world because everybody's stuck on their couch, everybody's stuck in their nine to five.
I know that I'll always have some sort of following or success by just putting a camp, kind of like what Nick Shirley does, going out there and covering what's happening in the real world.
So I feel like that's kind of my backup plan.
Not that I do that now, it's kind of my main plan, but I feel like there will always be.
An audience for that type of content, going to protests.
And I think there's only going to be more protests in the near future.
So that's kind of where I see myself going is yes, I can talk on a podcast for an hour and interview people like you and interview people that are different viewpoints, but going and seeing the confrontation and covering in person, that to me, I think will always be a successful strategy.
Do you think so?
I, okay, that makes sense.
I get why people would want to watch it, why that does well.
I also agree with your assessment that.
There's only going to be more, not less, opportunities to do that.
More protests, more political friction, all these kinds of things, upheavals.
But I think my question the only pin popping that balloon that I could foresee is what if we get to a point where you can try, but you'll be dead?
You mean if I go to a protest, they'll just kill me?
Yeah, like if tensions continue to heat up, where it's like, yeah, that makes for good content, but at the risk of your own life.
It only gets that bad if they cut off the internet.
Because I'm good friends with Tim Poole.
Have you been on Tim's show yet?
Yeah.
Okay.
And, you know, whether you like Tim or not, him and he's one of my best friends.
So I like him.
But he's always talking about the Civil War.
I think that if they cut off the internet, we would have people shooting each other in the street.
And then if that's the case, the internet doesn't work, then what's the point of making some content?
So until they turn off the internet, and I've been at protests where the cops stood down.
So it is dangerous, but no risk, no reward.
Every day that I get up in the morning and drive my car, I'm taking a calculated risk.
So I, It sucks that I have to put myself in dangerous situations.
And trust me, I don't love it.
But as long as somebody's willing to do that, and if it's not me, it'll be Savannah Hernandez, there'll be other people that do it.
I think there will always be an audience to watch that sort of content.
Who are some of the people?
Do you watch?
I used to listen to podcasts, and I don't as much anymore because I don't have as much time.
Is there anybody that you like listening to?
I mean, we talked about him a lot.
I listen to Tucker, I listen to Nick, I listen to Ben Shapiro.
So I'm just to kind of get the argument to kind of see what he's saying.
And, you know, I'd honestly rather probably watch CNN than Fox News, not because I agree with them, just to hear what they're saying.
I think I hate watch a lot of stuff, sadly.
I don't know why that is.
And I don't consume a lot of media.
I try to read a lot.
I like to watch a lot of conspiracy videos.
I like to kind of watch, like, you know, we were talking about this in the earlier podcast, and we were talking about anti-Semitism.
But, you know, one of the reasons why I think it's, quote unquote, on the rise, as they say, is that I am a diehard 9-11 truther.
I think there's no doubt that 9-11 was an inside job.
And even the official story without getting into it.
Any conspiracies about is that Condoleezza Rice and George Bush were both briefed by the FBI and CIA that there's a guy named Osama bin Laden that had a plan to fly planes into buildings in New York and they just didn't take that threat serious enough.
But young people are, they're all into Tower 7 now.
They all know.
And then they hear about the dancing Israelis and then they hear about a text message on an all Israeli app that told people not to go into the work that day.
I would say that 9 11, look at Larry Silverstein, a guy that got the largest insurance check from a commercial building collapsing.
He got Not just one settlement, but two, because there were two terror attacks, and I think it was $7 billion.
I think people are kind of waking up to the world that we're living in is full of lies.
You look at Operation Northwoods, which is a plan during the Cuban Missile Crisis to fake hijack a plane and make it look like it was Cuban nationals to create the war during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
So I'm saying I think that almost creates more anti Semitism, people realizing who benefits from something like 9 11.
Yeah.
What's the appeal of conspiracies?
Yeah, I don't know if you're big into conspiracies, but it's kind of like exactly what you said earlier truth, right?
Isn't that what you're trying to?
Talk about a truth and and for me, I just know that we're living in a world of lies if they.
What they tell us is not the truth.
Anything you hear on FOX NEWS.
I'm not saying you need to believe the exact opposite, but i'm telling you there's some sort of bias.
It's like that clip where they show all the local news anchors and they're all saying the same thing.
Even in movies, movies always have some slant, have some angle.
We talked about this earlier.
When you go into class, one of the first things you learn oh, the big Bang theory, evolution.
I think that's provably false.
So for me, the reason why i'm so interested in conspiracy is because i'm actually interested in the truth, And so that's kind of what motivates me.
I don't believe them all, but I'm interested because you're not going to get that on any mainstream platform.
So I think that kind of tickles my interest more than a lot of mainstream status quo information.
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So I'm with you 100%.
I care about truth.
And because of that, I want to expose lies.
Ephesians says take no part in the deeds done in unrighteousness in the dark, but rather.
Expose them so it's not just that we maintain a state of innocence by avoiding evil and wicked things, but these evil and wicked things are often shrouded by darkness, and it's the job of Christians to not just avoid them but to expose them.
So I'm 100% on board, like Muhammad marrying a nine year old.
You know, I like that.
That's a lot of that's something a lot of people know about, you know, and I can kind of consider that a conspiracy because that's when you do debate a Muslim, they don't like to talk about that, you know, and so that's kind of When I say conspiracy, that's more all encompassing, not just 9 11, but just kind of a truce that we just don't, aren't socially acceptable to talk about.
Right.
Yep.
So exposing conspiracies in order to ultimately portray the truth.
But the one step further that I want to go is it's not just the truth for the truth's sake, but I believe that truth is the mechanism that ultimately orients people toward virtue.
Like, I actually want to change society.
Like, to me, it wouldn't be so you're a progressive virtue segment, yeah.
I guess, yeah, and yeah, and I would say progressives, and I don't think that's a bad thing, in the truest sense.
Like, progressives are regressive, and yeah, you know, like it's but yeah, that's true.
Because I've said before, I'm not a conservative, I'm not interested in conserving, you know, fake and gay slot, yeah, right?
Like, like the hardest part about being a conservative today is saying, like, well, we we love you know, uh, gays, we just don't like transgender, you know, like.
Well, the reason I consider myself a conservative is because I want less government involvement.
I think the government, the more that we let the government control us, and you know what they say is that once we trade our freedom for safety, we end up with neither.
And that's what the left does they want the government to be in control of everything.
I want less red tape.
I want less government involvement.
That doesn't mean that I'm a total libertarian.
I don't want rules.
I think that we got to have rules.
And, you know, I want to be able to have my house.
I don't want somebody to be able to steal my house.
I think there should be age of consent laws.
But I want less government involvement in my everyday life because I want to conserve the amount of control the government has on my, you know, life.
Yeah.
So I'm not a conservative in the sense of just wanting to enshrine the victories from 15 minutes ago from the left.
So, in that sense, I actually am a progressive.
In the truest sense, not regressive into degeneracy and gay marriage and abortion and open borders, but progressing into righteousness is what I'd like to see.
That said, though, there was like this, it was actually an Imam, a Muslim, who said the problem with democracy is it's for the people, by the people, of the people, but the people are retarded.
That's a true statement.
So it's really government that's, you know, Of the retarded, by the retarded, for the retarded.
And so, my point is that, like, I used to be more, you know, the big government versus small government.
But the more, the older I get, you know, and especially like having children, like, children require a lot of direction, like, a lot of direction that, you know, some people are like, like child led parenting, you know, or Montessori, like child led school.
And so, I'm like, what is this garbage?
Like, children.
No, they didn't structure.
They need structure.
They need to be led.
At least I needed structure.
But I look at our country and I'm like, dude, it's a bunch of children.
Our country is a country of degenerates.
Because I'm sure you thought your parents had it all figured out.
Now that my dad and I, and we've always been close, but now I realize my dad's successful, but my dad's still figuring it out, right?
Are we all still trying to figure it out?
And we think that, oh, because of our dad, they got it all figured out.
Really?
Now that I'm an adult?
Yeah, everyone's still figuring it out, but not everyone's figuring it out equally.
That's a fact.
There are stages, you know, and some people are more motivated to figure things out than others.
Like Paul said in scripture, he said, Follow me as I follow Christ, which implies, like, I'm following Christ, meaning I have not yet arrived.
But it's also subtly implied, you could follow me as I follow Christ, aka, I'm a lot further than you.
That's so he's, you know, and he's not trying to boast or be arrogant about it, but he's just stating a fact.
It is in your best interest to follow me, even though I haven't gotten to the finish line, I'm still on the journey, too.
But I am ahead of you.
And so when I look at our country, I just see like, I think we need a strong hand.
Well, I think you're right, but you know how we call it.
But it needs to be a righteous hand, not a leftist hand.
Well, we call it the red pill movement because it's the famous scene from The Matrix where, you know, he's like, Neo, you want the red pill or blue pill?
And, you know, I sometimes kind of feel like what's with, I think the guy's name is Shark or Snake, where he's like, I want to go plug back into The Matrix.
I want to taste a steak again.
Sometimes I do feel like, And I know a lot of people because they think I'm anti LGBTQ because I'm conservative, but that's not true because I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan, so I have a lot of gay pride.
But my point is, sometimes I am envious of the people that are ignorant to all the problems in the world because ignorance is bliss.
And because I kind of know how messed up things are, because I'll talk to what I call like a normie, they just watch the Cowboys and they just go to their job.
And really, I'm kind of like almost not envious because I don't want to be like that, but I'm kind of like, oh, that must be kind of nice.
You don't have the same worries that I have, you just think everything's going to work out.
And honestly, I do think everything is going to work out, Joel.
I do think good is going to win in the end.
I have no doubt in my mind.
And even though it seems like good might be losing, I do think in the end, good will win.
Yeah, I think so too.
My eschatology, I'm post millennial.
I actually believe in Christ not just winning in the bottom of the ninth, despite everything being amok, but Christ actually tangibly and gradually winning through human history, through the church, that all the nations will be Christianized.
Like there's a verse in Isaiah that says that they will beat their swords into plowshares and the nations will no longer know war.
But it's not actually talking about heaven and the life to come, it's talking about.
Some point in human history before Christ's final physical return, because that same text actually still talks about death still being it.
So people still live and die.
It's still human life before heaven.
But hostility is not what it once was.
It doesn't mean people are perfect, but it does mean that the world is generally good.
There's a goodness that is so permeated.
It's like what Jesus tells the parable a mustard seed growing into a tree that's the largest tree in all the earth.
End Times and the Rapture00:13:11
Or a little bit of leaven.
Yeah, a little bit of leaven.
Permeating and it takes time, but you work that leaven through the whole batch of dough until it eventually, you know, permeates the whole batch.
And I think that's what the Christian gospel does.
And I think that, you know, we're in a bit of a dip right now, but that doesn't mean that things won't improve at some point.
So I believe in that too.
But I think part of the way that we get there, it's like spiritual maturity is like maturity.
It's, I don't think that we're at self governance.
I'll start there.
America.
Used to be great.
And I think a big part of the reason why it was great, it wasn't a raw democracy, but it also wasn't a monarchy.
It was a republic and there was self governance and these kinds of things.
Universal suffrage, they thought was ridiculous.
Why would everyone get to vote?
Some people aren't qualified to vote.
That makes no sense.
We're going to have people who are qualified.
They'll make these decisions.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
And men, these kinds of things.
Free men, white men of good character.
And I'm not saying that it has to always be only white people voting.
I think black.
People should be voting in Uganda, you know, for sure.
So I'm not saying that that's a universal principle, but I am saying this general principle of free, intelligent, responsible men as heads of households who own land.
They have a stake in the country, you know, they're not just sitting there, you know, living off of everybody else.
They actually, you know, they're participating.
So, but my point is this it's like, well, that's what we should get back to.
Let's get this constitution, let's constitution even harder.
And, The founders, I mean, Adam said, like, the Constitution is wholly unfit for a people unless they're moral and religious.
And I look at, like, the people that we have now, and I think, like, how did they do it in America?
Like, because you could just trust your neighbors, high trust society, and all these kinds of things, and they could self govern.
Well, they did it, like, to be honest, historically speaking, they did it because America was birthed on the heels of a thousand years of a Christian monarch.
So, for a thousand years, think about it like this.
Like, people don't want to.
Here's another thing that's not popular eugenics.
Yeah.
Okay.
Now, I'm not saying that we should force sterilize people.
Like, there's a form of eugenics that's wicked.
It's inherently wrong.
Yeah.
There's different levels of it.
But every religious sacred text, whether it's the Quran or the Bible, like, actually does have a eugenics program.
So, think of it like this.
Well, that's what they want is in the future, they want us to all be one race and one sex.
That's part of the transgender movement.
Yeah.
It's this radical equality, which is homogeneity.
They want everyone to be androgynous the same, just the same.
This goop of humanity.
But look at the Old Testament dietary restrictions, right?
So you can't eat this, you can't eat that, you can't eat this.
In addition to that, it restricts not only what you eat, but who you can marry.
Somebody too closely related can't marry him.
Too distantly related can't marry him.
Well, to be fair though, I don't think incest was at the beginning, but was there anybody, in your opinion, was it just Adam and Eve in the garden or was there other people outside of the garden?
I think it was just Adam and Eve.
I think everyone decided.
What about Cain and Abel?
It's just Cain and Abel?
What?
When Cain and Abel.
Oh, no.
By the time of Cain and Abel, in terms of Cain murdering his brother, I think at that point, because the Bible doesn't give us a time date, so they could have been, for all we know, Because Adam lived to be like well over 900 years old.
So Cain could have been 400 years old.
I'm not saying he was.
Don't quote me on this.
But my point is Cain and Abel could have been in their 300s, and Adam and Eve could have had, you know, 150 more kids who then had kids who had, like, so there could have literally been a thousand people alive at the time.
Because Cain says that in Genesis 4 after he kills his brother, God puts his mark on Cain because he says, So they don't kill him?
They don't kill.
Well, who's they?
Exactly.
That's what they've done.
So I'm with you.
And that's where people are like, So there must have been other people.
But.
I'm a Bible guy, and I think the Bible plainly teaches that everyone descended from Adam and Eve.
So I think there could be a they, but still it's connected.
Yeah, connected.
Well, but we talked about this a little bit.
We didn't get into it.
You know, Jesus kept on talking about the rapture, the rapture's coming.
You don't think it's possible that we're living in a post rapture world?
I think we, so a lot of those rapture texts, I think we are.
I think a lot of those texts.
That's what I feel like.
And I think.
Well, you look at Gobekli Tepe, that's one thing, and that's one of the oldest monasteries in the world.
It's like, 13,000 years.
So it doesn't even follow the timeline that they give us.
So somewhere the numbers are screwed up.
Yeah, if it's 13,000 years.
Or whatever.
I don't know.
I'm just saying that.
So they say.
I think it's ancient for sure.
I think there are ancient temples and things like that.
I wouldn't date them at 13,000 years, but I would say that they're probably six, seven, 8,000 years old and incredible engineering and running water and plumbing and some of these things.
We talked about this.
Even batteries.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The idea that the civilization.
So I'm on board for all that.
Nephilim, fallen angels.
Of course.
But the idea that the civilizations before us were dumber than us today, that makes me sick.
That's just arrogant.
It's just unbridled arrogance.
But my point is that, yes, I think that there are ancient things and the world being old, but I don't think it's the dates and the timeline that secular Darwinian scientists provide for us.
I think that all that is just a ploy to get rid of the existence of God.
And we know people aren't stupid.
You know, or at least they're not that stupid.
And so we can't just say, hey, everything just by accident happened yesterday.
But maybe if we say billions of years, then they'll believe it.
Like the billions of years is just a way of replacing God.
I know.
That's how they say they've replaced God with time.
They literally, exactly right.
That's all that.
Everything came from nothing because of time.
That's because of time.
Because of time.
A biogenesis and billions of years is how we have.
Which doesn't even make sense.
It doesn't matter how much time you could have infinity time.
Nothing cannot produce something.
Like, we know this logically.
So, say the Big Bang, you know, a speck of dust.
Okay, where'd the speck of dust come from?
You know, like, no matter how you slice it.
You know, I do debate some Christians that believe that God did the Big Bang and that, you know.
Yeah, as a means.
I think those Christians are wrong for the record.
But even those Christians, you know, that would be, you know, like your theistic evolution, you know, like, but they still recognize, like, there has to be a divine creator to start it.
Somebody had to press play.
You know, somebody had to.
I mean, it's just, there's no way that this is just some sort of cosmic accident.
And that goes to the conspiracy thing.
It's like, I think that.
Was kind of one of my favorite conspiracies the idea of evolution.
And I watched hundreds of hours of documentaries about evolution and how dumb that is.
The idea that a fish just grew feet, and then you know, we became a monkey.
There's still monkeys here with us, so I don't know what happened to them.
Yeah, and we don't have any transitional species like they, you know, you think you'd have humans with weird arms, and we, you know, and did you hear about the chimpanzees that the like there's uh the brown ones and the black ones, and there was like a civil war and they were fighting?
Oh, yeah, in Africa, or yeah, yeah.
I tweeted out, I was like, they're gonna find some albino chimps and say that it was their fault, yeah, exactly right.
Yeah, but there's also this subspecies, the white chimps, it's their fault, they're gonna have menorahs.
Or yarmulke is on, and then white chimps with tiny hats.
No, but going back real quick, the rapture, that was really interesting that you mentioned that.
So, just to explain where I'm coming from, so I think that there's a lot of New Testament, not all of them, but a lot of New Testament passages that speak of a future imminent event.
Like even the book of Revelation, it starts and says, in chapter one, it says, These things which are soon to come to pass.
And I don't know about you, but like 2,000 years doesn't feel soon.
No.
And so it's talking about this is going to happen, that's going to happen.
Jesus was constantly talking about this.
He was.
So, Matthew chapter 24, Jesus is the Olivet discourse, the Temple Mount.
He's like walking past the temple with his disciples and he makes this incredible prophecy.
He says, I tell you the truth, not one stone will stand on another.
And the Romans, when they sacked Emperor Titus and they sacked Jerusalem because it was inladen, the stones with gold, they actually had to get the gold and extract it.
They actually had to take each stone off of another.
So, it's like perfect fulfillment to what Jesus said.
But here's the deal it wasn't thousands of years later.
It was 40 years later, in that same discourse, Matthew 24, where Jesus says this, he talks about one will be in the field, two will be in the field, and one will be taken, two will be in bed, and one will be taken.
And that's where you get a lot of that's like the quintessential rapture text.
But he also says, I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass away until these things come to pass.
The ones that be taken, you actually want to stay on earth, right?
Yeah, exactly.
The ones that are taken, that's actually the bad thing.
Yeah, that's the bad thing.
Exactly.
People have that misunderstanding.
You don't want to be taken.
That's true.
You don't want to be taken.
Exactly.
So what I think, my rapture theology, is that That I don't think there's a rapture in our future.
I think that there was in the destruction of Jerusalem as a judgment from God that happened in 8070, that happened just like Jesus said.
So it would have been around 8030 to 8033 or so that Jesus is giving this sermon that he says, I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass away until these things come to pass.
I think he was being literal, not metaphorical, not just this type of generation, but these people listening to my words right now, some of you will die, but in general, you guys.
Will still be around.
You'll be old, you'll be elderly, but you will see in your lifetime, in your generation, the fulfillment to these things, which included the temple being destroyed, but also two in the field, two in the bed, one taken.
And I think it was talking about the destruction of Jerusalem as God's judgment for Israel rejecting their Messiah and crucifying him.
And so my point is I think that a lot of the things that we read in the Bible is this is going to happen next Thursday, Jesus is going to come back, or, you know, In 2030, you know, that'll be the rapture.
I think we're reading texts that were in their future, but long in our past.
Yeah.
That are actually fit.
Now, I believe that there still is in our future a full, you know, a final culmination to history and a final physical return of Christ to judge both the living and the dead, the Apostles' Creed, Nicene Creed.
But we don't know what that timeline is.
But we don't, but that could be 500, 5,000 years from now.
And here's the deal it's like there's a sense in which Jesus tells the parable of like the faithful servant who you do not know the time.
Or the hour that the master returns, so you better be busy about his work, be on your best behavior, be a good servant.
So, there's a sense in which Jesus himself says we should live as though he's coming back tomorrow.
There's also a sense in which you look at Christendom in Europe and early America, some of these cathedrals took 500 years to build.
And how did they build it without power tools?
But one thing I want to say was that.
But they had a long term mindset.
They were thinking about, we don't think about our great grandchildren, but maybe we should.
Yeah.
Going to what's happening today, though, and you look at Iran, and I do believe because I see all these Israel firsters that want us to nuke Iran.
And in my mind, I'm like, there's actually a lot of Persians that are supporting Israel, which I think is kind of, you know, a huge contradiction.
But I do believe that what is happening now, because you see these videos of these rabbis talking to Benjamin Netanyahu, and they're like, hurry up, hurry up.
I think that they want that all Aqsa Mosque to get destroyed, you know, in a retaliatory strike because we strike Iran, because they do believe that that will bring their Messiah.
Yes.
But I also think, I know Ben Shapiro says he hates Jesus.
I think there's a lot of Jews actually going to call Jews for Jesus that actually think Jesus was the Messiah.
So, you know, I know that's probably maybe a small portion.
Well, there are Messianic Jews.
Yeah, exactly.
And so I don't know.
I think what's happening today is they're trying to speed things up because they want those end times to happen a certain way.
It's eschatological.
Yeah, it's deeply religious.
It's not just geopolitics.
No, this is not.
It's deeply religious.
Like, part of growing up is realizing that the world is run by demons.
Yeah.
Like that, that are elites, not just people in Israel.
Satan is real.
But a bunch of people in D.C., I promise you, are communing with demons.
You know, people want to joke and they're going to watch this and think we're crazy, but you have people like, did you ever look into Jimmy Seville?
Yeah, a little bit.
But I'm saying, there are people that, and I know this goes against Christ, but I do think people can do demonic rituals and summon some stuff and maybe summon success.
Maybe they do a ritual for money.
Yeah, and you can talk to these people and they'll maybe you trade something off in life, they kill your parents or whatever the trade off is, but you can do rituals and things will happen.
I think that that is real.
Absolutely.
Yeah, so the spiritual realm is real, the physical realm is also real.
The physical world matters.
Free Speech Battle Royale00:12:58
We shouldn't pretend that it doesn't at all, but we shouldn't be materialist that we pretend as though the world is real.
I think materialism is one of the biggest plagues in society.
I mean, that's it's a lie.
And not only is it like cunning and deceitful, But it's also just gross, just living for stuff.
You know, it's just pure ignorance.
You'll never be satisfied.
And I'm not a role model.
Don't take my advice, but you're never going to have the newest stuff.
You're never going to have the biggest house.
And that doesn't mean you shouldn't try to be successful and have a good life.
But the idea that your self worth is tied into an inanimate object is one of the most evil lies that people live under.
Yes.
Like, I got to have the newest car.
Nobody cares.
As a matter of fact, people probably dislike you more when you have the newest car or the newest thing.
It probably causes more social stigma.
So, materialism is a.
Huge thing that every single company wants us to buy their new crap and slop it.
Like, that is when it comes to conspiracies, that is one of the biggest conspiracies.
Is that materialism is one of the worst things that's happening in society, almost as bad as you know, degenerate porn.
And I mean, I think you know, porn is worse, but that I think they're on the same level, yeah.
So, all that being said, I feel like right wing media and just media in general, it's dying though, right wing media and even left wing media, CNN's dying, MSN now, or whatever they had to change their name, it's all.
It's all a dinosaur.
Because it's right now, it's just this, it's like a king of the hill.
It's like a battle royale for it's an attention economy.
It is.
It's just flashing lights, whatever's, you know, 30 seconds.
It's not about.
But now we're competing with AI for the attention.
And we're not going to be able to beat AI because you and I are sitting here talking for hours on a podcast.
And yes, some of these clips will get a lot of attention, but they can make an AI fruit video now.
That's the big thing of like two bananas cheating on each other.
And it's getting billions, not even millions, it's getting a thousand million, it's getting billions of views.
You're like, Well, how can I compete with this?
Yeah, you can't.
And so, my point is that a lot of the old American ideals, it's, you know, like there was a time where I would have said I was a conservative.
Then there was a time it was like I'm a traditionalist.
You know, I don't want to conserve the status quo.
I want to get back to the roots.
But then there's also something to be said for you have to move forward.
The only way out is through.
And whatever.
When we come out on the other side, whatever that looks like, I can't pretend to be able to predict everything.
But at the same time, I think there are some basic principles that are inevitable.
And one of them is going to be less freedom.
Yes.
One thing that we did in the West is we exalted liberty above virtue.
And freedom, just for the sake of freedom, is not virtuous, it's not commendable.
So, just because we can, doesn't mean we should.
Like, we have, so, like, even when I think of freedom of speech, like, if a leftist is bringing me before a judge, I'm going to appeal to the First Amendment all day long in the Constitution.
But that's because I know that what I'm saying is right and I know that they're wicked.
But in theory, that's what I'll do in practice.
But in theory, I don't think you should be able to say whatever you want.
You don't?
I don't.
Really?
I don't.
See, with speech, I think we should be able to say whatever we want.
Yeah, but in terms of words.
With words.
Public, but public speech on public platforms.
Like when we think about policies, we have to think about what they ultimately do.
Like the end of free speech is not.
Well, free speech is already taken.
If you say, I love Palestine on a college campus, you can get expelled.
Of course, yeah.
So it's already not being practiced.
But let's just say theoretically that it was.
The logical end of capitalism is OnlyFans.
The logical end of freedom of speech is the two banana AI slot video cheating on each other.
Like that's what it leads to.
It leads to, well, I'm allowed to do this.
And I'm just, but it's not helpful.
It doesn't matter.
It's my right.
It's my freedom.
It's my liberty.
And everyone's just going to get like more and more retarded.
Yeah, it's kind of like how I don't think porn is protected free speech.
I think they, because you know what?
And I've done this thing where I stopped looking at porn, but you know, I look at Instagram and that's basically softcore porn.
You know what I mean?
And I'll be honest, I look at Instagram.
I mean, you know, I'm a guy.
We have an Instagram account.
We just started a couple months ago.
So we're not big.
It's just like little reels and clips that we'll do.
Like maybe 10,000 followers, but I have other guys on my team do it.
I don't have, yeah, because I don't get on Instagram.
But like I said, is I don't necessarily think girls shouldn't be able to post a bikini picture, but I don't think that we should just be able to have hardcore sex, and because you know, also that desensitizes us to when we have normal sex, you know, and then and so that's why I think it's really bad, and that's why it destroys marriages, it destroys, and it is, I hate to be which is cruel to children, it is cheating.
I think looking at porn is cheating, you know, I don't think, like I said, I keep bringing up Instagram.
I don't think if you look at something on Instagram, it's necessarily cheating, but if you're looking at porn and you're masturbating to porn, I think that that is cheating.
Yes, I agree.
So the point is like, capitalism lifted the world.
I don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Capitalism lifted the world out of abject poverty.
You can look at, I mean, it's a fact.
People being able to own their labor and be able to, you know, if somebody's willing to purchase it at this price, and like, there was a lot of good.
And I'm still a capitalist in the foundational sense of like private property.
But see, this is my problem I'm a capitalist, but we have a lot of stuff that is government subsidized.
Our entire military is government.
So we just need to reallocate the subsidization of certain industries.
Like, people get mad at me because I think.
I don't think we should have necessarily free healthcare because then we'll be like Canada and they'll just be encouraging you to do the medically assisted suicide.
But if we're going to subsidize anything, we should subsidize healthcare.
You know what I'm saying?
Instead of more military.
I just feel like we can have some sort of leftist.
Save people instead of bomb people.
Exactly right.
I think that would just be common sense, but that's not how it works.
So, my point is that you look at capitalism and it did a lot of good, but it's the year of our Lord 2026.
And that's where I've realized, like, at first it was like, we must return, you know, as the kids say, like, we must return, spelled with a V, you know, like, we're going to, we're going back.
And now I'm like, no, but we can't.
The genie's out of the bottle.
We can't go back.
All we can do is go forward and seek to honor the Lord and be a virtuous people in the present, not in the past.
We can't just LARP and pretend.
And so it's like, so, you know, you point back and you're like, capitalism saved the world.
And it's like, yeah, but now it's killing it.
Now it's killing it.
And so, and that doesn't mean that, like, So, we're communist.
I hate communism.
Yeah, I'm not a communist.
Communism has destroyed millions and millions and millions.
But it can't just be crony capitalism.
It's going to, here's the deal it's going to have to be governed.
OnlyFans is a great capitalistic business model, infinitely scalable.
You don't have to pay anybody.
The barriers to entry, none.
Yeah, OnlyFans is peak capitalism.
It's beautiful capitalism, absolutely beautiful.
But it's a plague on society.
But it's a plague on society.
But here's the deal.
Who's going to do it?
There's only one entity in society that has a God divine given monopoly on coercion, on violence.
And it's the state.
It's the government.
The government is the only God sanctioned entity that is allowed to bear the sword.
And Romans 13 says that the government, the civil magistrate, does not bear the sword in vain.
He is God's avenger to deal out justice, vengeance on the wrongdoer.
And he is to do two things to praise the good.
So, like a reward for the righteous and to punish the wicked.
So, then the question is okay, but where does wickedness exist?
Is there wickedness in markets?
Okay, then they can't be completely free.
Like the right, Nick has said this, he's right.
The right is going to have to bend on the free market.
There are elements of the free market and global trade that are destroying us geopolitically.
It's because we're all so intertwined economically.
He is right, though, because I look at these, the farmers, you know, now you can't even be a small farm.
Family farm, you know, now it's all Monsanto.
You have to buy the seeds and buy the same soil from them.
So, we really do need to actually totally recalibrate everything.
And when we say we, the only people who can do that is the government.
The government is going to have to put sanctions on, like, does it need to fail though before it can be built back up?
Maybe, you know, that's kind of like, does it need to totally collapse?
It might.
And if that's the case, then that's uh, descriptive but not prescriptive.
I'm not an accelerationist, yeah.
So, it, I'm willing to be honest enough to say it might actually have to collapse.
But I'm not going, that's a description or a prediction in that case, future description.
But I wouldn't be prescriptive and saying, and therefore we as.
Should speed it up.
Should speed it up.
I'm not an accelerationist either.
But I do kind of just see the writing on the wall.
I kind of see it too.
And so I'm like, we're heading in a not great direction.
And it's like, you think, oh, the government's too big to fail.
I don't think so.
I think it can fail.
And I think it probably will.
Yeah.
Rome was pretty big.
It was way bigger and failed.
And it failed.
So, but my point is that, like, if we're going to have any, so maybe it breaks before it's rebuilt.
I don't know.
But in terms of the end of what it will need to be, I feel like it has to be, We can't see small government as being synonymous with good government because whatever the government is going to look like, it's not the past anymore.
It's not a bunch of farmers.
We don't have a country of 2 million white folk who are farmers doing agriculture.
We have a country of 350 million people from all over the world.
A lot of them need to go back, but still, even if a lot go back, we still have different languages, different cultures.
Peoples, different this, different that.
And then we have technology and AI slop and anthropic that who knows if it's going to destroy the world or what, like all these different things.
And so I can't foresee any scenario with all those things and all the potential for evil where it's small government.
Yeah.
Well, I.
So the only hope is it's going to have to be righteous government.
Well, yeah, you're exactly right.
We do need a righteous government.
Our government is not righteous whatsoever.
It's very immoral.
I think it's the opposite of moral because you know that everybody in Capitol Hill.
As soon as they get elected to their position, they don't really care about the people.
They don't.
And that's the other illusion that we have it's right versus left.
It's all a uniparty.
There's a few good politicians up there that are willing to speak out against it, but then they're the ones that are attacked.
Thomas Massey, perfect example.
Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Even Lauren Boeber, but she colors within the lines a little more.
But she's actually a grandmother, you know, and she's bold and gets a lot of kickback.
So she kind of sometimes she's not too, too bold.
I think she's just playing the political game.
So my point is, If we know that the game is rigged against us and the whole point of being a politician is basically fundraising to keep your position, then they don't care about us.
So the people in power, it's just so not righteous.
We don't have any righteous.
It's not.
And part of that is the system.
It's not a system that incentivizes righteous civil rulers.
Well, it's like Machiavelli.
Democracy incentivizes deceit.
And I was reading about Machiavelli and he did say that most people are good, but the people in power are not good because of what they had to do to get there.
Hmm.
So, we know the people in power at some point probably had to do something.
Probably screw somebody over, just step on somebody's head.
Which, to be fair, that's why, like, monarchies, like, and I know that, like, there's, you know, it's pick your poison.
There are weaknesses on both sides.
So, I'm not sitting here saying, like, the grass was perfectly greener.
But monarchies, like, the divine right to power, there's no elections.
There's no temptation for the politician to lie to the people in order to win his campaign so that he gets.
No, it's like you were born to rule.
Yeah, but then what is it?
Then the people rise up, like Marie Antoinette, let them eat cake.
You know, it's so, you know, people don't like that.
There are problems over there, too.
Yeah.
But my point is I know you said that.
But my point is just to say that, like, we thought that we could, we thought monarchy, that's the problem.
And, you know, divine rights of kings, that's the problem.
But Joel, we went and started a whole country because you wanted to be taxed, and now we pay a pig.
Stop Chasing Social Stigma00:04:41
Exactly.
Exactly.
So really, we probably did have it kind of correct, and then it just got totally screwed up.
If the rule led you to here, then what good was the rule?
You know, like that's that's and that's how I feel like if democracy led you to here, then what good was democracy?
And so that's where I'm at now, where I'm like, it's not small versus big, and it's not our sacred democracy versus monarchy.
It's just, it's going to have to be big.
It's going to have to be powerful.
It's probably going to have elements of multiple, some democratic elements, some aristocracy, republican, like a republic elements, and then probably some kingly elements.
We'll never call it that in America because America hates kings.
No kings.
But it will be in function, kingly.
That's Trump at his best, by the way.
Yeah.
I mean, my great disappointment with Trump is that he's not behaving more like a king for the good of.
Yeah.
Going after the people that we know screwed us over, he's actually just protecting them.
But my point is that whatever it will be in the future, if it's good, if it has even a chance of being good, it's not going to be just going back.
We can't go back.
The world is different.
Like, we had things that worked for the people of that time.
Those people no longer exist.
We don't have an aristocracy of, I mean, we do, but where all the people are highly educated and responsible and trusting and homogenous and religious and Christian.
And, like, so, yeah, so, like, it doesn't work anymore.
And, you know, this goes against everything that we've talked about in this podcast because we want people to listen to it.
But I really think, That if I had to give advice and I followed all my own advice, I'd be 10 times as successful.
But what we're chasing is we're worrying about things that we can't control.
And at the end of the day, what is really the goal?
It's being content.
And what makes you content?
You having a family.
I don't think we are chasing contentment.
And for some people, that's a lot of money, or for some people, it's a family.
And we are constantly letting other things that we can't control kind of dictate our happiness.
And so I think that we should, now maybe that sounds woo woo or new age, but we should almost focus on trying to be.
Happy in our everyday lives on the things we can't control and not letting all these outside influences manipulate us into feeling how they want us to feel sad, scared, happy.
And the true thing that makes you happy is like a family or whatever it is.
Different things make different people happy, but we're not really chasing that.
We're kind of all going to college, going to be in debt.
We're all debt slaves working just to make ends meet.
And that's not happiness.
Right.
And so you're kind of right.
That's part of the capitalistic side effect of capitalism is that.
Now, you have to have a two parent household with both parents working in order to support your family.
And so it's really kind of a side effect that now we're not chasing contentment.
We're basically just trying to watch movies, watch porn, work a little bit to pay our bills, and we're slaves.
We're slaves.
Yep.
Well, thanks for coming on the show.
It's not the brightest point to end on, but I think we had some white people break free from the chains.
We can break free from the chains.
And that doesn't mean you don't have to work a job or try to be successful.
But I guess we put so much of our self worth into the opinions of strangers.
And we need to stop worrying about that.
And if we're more unapologetically ourselves, I know that worked out for me.
I think that is really working out for you.
And I would encourage people to be more unapologetically themselves.
And that doesn't mean be degenerate, but that if you are conservative, be outspoken.
And if you're a Christian, definitely be outspoken because you know that.
There's a social stigma surrounding being, you know, saying that.
You love Jesus Christ.
You know, some people are like, oh, you're weird.
You're stupid.
Don't you know Jesus is fake?
You know, and so just be unapologetically yourself and worry about the things you can't control, even though Joel and I have talked about a lot of stuff that we can't control.
But we are just trying to, I guess, talk about the elephant in the room and not letting that elephant step on our head.
Yes.
Yeah.
Be authentic, be honest, be courageous, and be content.
Yeah.
And that is another thing is that we live in a fake world and people act fake.
And there's times where I have to act fake.
I'm sure even you, you know, you have to kind of act fake.
You don't want to hurt people's feelings, but we should be more genuine.