James Fishback proposes criminalizing adultery by stripping cheaters of assets and custody, framing his campaign against Byron Donalds as a defense of American citizenship over imported elites. He details his own legal battles, including a $300,000 fee ruling from Greenlight Capital, while accusing Donalds of hypocrisy regarding immigration and drug allegations. Fishback argues that true "America First" policy requires prioritizing domestic families against economic corporatism, asserting that validating this platform in Florida is essential to challenging the uniparty establishment and restoring national prosperity. [Automatically generated summary]
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No Political Background00:02:01
So, right off the bat, here's what I would do.
I'd push for this to happen in year one.
If you cheat on your wife, or if you as a wife cheat on your husband, and there is a divorce, you lose everything.
Non negotiable.
There's no 50 50.
There's no custody of anything.
You lose your right to everything.
You give up everything.
End of story.
The 30 year old CEO of an investment firm, Fishback says he would build on DeSantis' legacy.
I'm off the phone and I say I would never disavow patriotic Americans.
It is absolutely vital that James Fishback wins.
James Fishback, we want to spend some time in this episode getting to know your background.
For a lot of people, you came on the scene out of nowhere, you just appeared out of the ether.
You do not have a political background, which I'll be honest, I kind of like.
Right, career politicians are not necessarily my first pick.
So, the fact that you have not been a politician for years and years and years, I don't think should be counted against you.
But the people, the public, do have questions where did you come from?
What was your home life like?
What was your background?
What did you do in terms of your vocation and career before this?
And there are certain allegations that people want answers to.
And I think that that's right and fair.
By stepping into the political reign, you have Essentially, you've committed to being an open book.
That's what you sign up for.
And so you don't have the luxury of being anonymous, not with what you've undertaken.
Now, that said, in the spirit of fairness, I think that it's also worth talking about your primary opponent, Byron Donalds, and his background.
Because what I don't think is fair is for guys to say, well, he came out of nowhere, or here's his background, or this thing happened, or that thing happened.
Stepping Into The Reign00:16:21
Meanwhile, there are very, very few people.
Talking about Byron Donalds and his past.
And so, in this episode, I want to discuss both, but I think that it's fitting and appropriate to start with you.
So, tell me about the real James Fishback, your background, your childhood, your previous work.
What are the most glaring, stinging allegations against you, and how would you respond to those?
Well, let me start by saying that the real James Fishback doesn't even go by James Fishback.
So, my full name is James Thomas Fishback.
And so, The people in my life, my parents, my sister, my family, all call me Tommy.
And so it's still weird to this day because there's almost two sides of me.
There's the people that my aunt and my uncle and all my family know me as, which is Tommy.
And then there's James.
And so as a kid, there was the schism, right?
At home, I was Tommy.
And then at school, I was James.
I was always James at school, but always Tommy at home.
And so let me just first preface that by saying I'm not the man that people say that I am because I actually have a very different name publicly than I do privately.
I grew up.
I was born in 1995, January 1st.
So my parents got cheated out of that little tax break.
And I grew up in Davie, Florida, which is a suburb of Fort Lauderdale in South Florida.
Grew up to an American dad who grew up in South Florida.
My grandfather fought in World War II.
He was a professor at Florida Atlantic University of Computer Science.
His father fought in World War I, he was the owner of a small hotel on Fort Lauderdale Beach.
And the fishback side of the family came here in the mid 18th century.
And then my mother came here a lot more recently.
She was actually born in South America in the country of Columbia.
Where I spent most of my summers as a kid down there practicing my Spanish in a very proud Catholic family down there and a very proud Catholic family at my dad's side up here.
And it was a really interesting combination of worlds between my mom's side of the family and my dad's side.
But grew up working class.
My dad cut trees for most of my life.
And what really changed his career to where he became a bus driver for Broward County Transit was literally the Haitian earthquake.
So the Haitian earthquake happens in January of 2010.
And then all of a sudden, Barack Obama has the wise idea to let hundreds of thousands of Haitians legally stay in the United States, get work authorization, get benefits.
And let's just be honest, it's not disrespectful, but the Haitian who doesn't speak English can't exactly become a math teacher or an SAT tutor.
So they do manual labor, like tree trimming and landscaping, which my dad had proudly done for 20 years.
Tom's Tree Service, he called it.
He didn't just do it in South Florida, but he would literally chase hurricanes up into the panhandle, South Carolina, Louisiana, even Texas, and would cut down trees and work with the folks there to get these communities back up and running.
So during hurricane season, I rarely saw my dad.
He was on the road, quite literally chasing hurricanes.
And then everything changed in 2010 as we imported, legally imported 100,000 cheap laborers who stole my dad's business and not just him, but a lot of other businesses in my community from him.
And even though my mom and dad both had careers growing up, they almost never worked at the same time.
And so I grew up in a single income household and I know how important that was for my upbringing.
It was totally feasible for only one of my parents to work at one time and to raise me and my sister.
My sister is a public school teacher in New York City.
We're both public school kids from kindergarten all the way to graduation.
My aunt was a public school teacher.
My grandmother, who I, without a doubt, is the most influential woman in my life, was a public school teacher of 20 years.
My grandfather was a professor.
And so that is how I grew up.
And I grew up as.
Are your parents still together?
They are.
Great.
I talk to my parents not every day.
I talk to them about.
10 times every day.
Wow.
It is the first call that I make in the morning, the last call before I go to bed.
Talk to them several times already today, to just pay probably the exception just because the travel and everything going on.
But I talk to them every single day.
And my dad was on the campaign trail with me for the first eight weeks, had a lot of fun.
He's my closest friend, advisor, and all of this and gives me really good advice, both politically and just messaging wise.
And my mom is, she was kind of the stern parent, the helicopter mom growing up.
She would order the Parent teacher conference.
She was the one to more often deliver corporal punishment, although you didn't cheat the hanging judge and my dad sometimes when I needed a good spanking at home.
But it was a really good upbringing.
Lived in the same house my entire childhood, three bed, two bath in a community called Shenandoah.
I knew my neighbors.
They weren't private equity firms.
They weren't Airbnbs, we were switching out new residents every other week.
They were real people, real Americans.
I saw them in church on Sunday.
I saw them at Little League.
I saw them at T ball.
We went to the carnival.
We carpooled.
I fear for the kids nowadays who will grow up in cul de sacs where their neighbor to the left is a private equity firm and their neighbor to the right is a short term rental on Airbnb where there's a new couple who will come in every other week who will vacation there and there's no real sense of community.
And I remember what it was like for the ice cream truck to come in and for my neighbor to spot me and my sister.
And then the following week for my father to spot the neighbor and his kids.
And so I miss that.
We used to live in paradise, Joel.
I was born in 95.
I remember going to Baskin Robbins and Blockbuster and Going to Pizza Hut with my report card.
We used to have a culture where not just the government, but actually business felt like they had a real stake in our country and our next generation succeeding.
And it doesn't feel like that anymore.
No, it does not.
So, kind of fast forwarding a little bit here, moving towards adulthood, where'd you go to school?
I went to Georgetown.
I went to Georgetown.
I studied economics.
I was there freshman, sophomore year, before junior year.
I dropped out to start a hedge fund.
Called Macrovoyant that I started.
And it was, you know, I did high school debate, which is really weird because it's a very flat environment.
I mean, I debated with the sons and daughters of multi, multi millionaires, in one case of one student, a billionaire.
And so when you're at the Harvard tournament, the Yale tournament, and you're one of the lone conservatives actually defending at the time what was this real contention in the country, this would have been right after Barack Obama had been elected president.
I was one of the few conservatives, I just grew up as a conservative my whole life.
Actually, taking on the Obama administration, bravely taking on the Obama administration as a freshman in high school.
But I made a lot of connections in high school debate.
And I started trading in college, trading platinum futures and gold futures and oil and interest rate derivatives.
It was, you know, I was always a fan of economics and geopolitics, but I wanted a way to express that in a challenging, intellectual way.
And no, waxing poetically in a 15 page paper about neocolonialism was not the way to do it for me.
It was to actually Have skin in the game and to find out which way the Fed was going to screw it up next or how a South African mining strike was going to affect the futures price of the platinum commodity.
And so that's what I did most of my college.
I didn't show up to class all that often.
And I was fortunate enough to get some really great investors back me, left after sophomore year, raised a $15 million fund, ran Macrovoyant, which was my clever way of saying macro investing, which is this big picture geopolitical, economic style of investing with this word clairvoyant, creating this new portmanteau.
Did that for five years.
And then worked at another hedge fund after that for three.
Okay.
What are some of the allegations in regards to your career with investing?
Well, the biggest one is going to be my former employer, David Einhorn at Greenlight Capital.
He recruited me to join there as I was running Mac Revoyant, and I did at the beginning of 2021.
I left in 2023 rather abruptly.
And anytime there are allegations, I think you have to recognize there's always a kernel of truth to everything.
And so let me just tell you the truth.
It was wrong for me to go to a firm and to abruptly leave in the middle of the year to start a competing firm.
Yeah.
That was the wrong thing to do.
That was not fair.
And look, I have disagreements with my boss.
He suffered from a very severe case of Trump derangement syndrome.
He told me that Trump belonged in prison for the rest of his life.
My political disagreements aside with him, he hired me, he gave me a chance.
And I was really grateful for that.
I mean, he's a snake.
But I still think that when someone does something for you, at the very least, you have an obligation to them to treat them with some semblance of respect.
And I think that getting up in the middle of the year to do the egotistical thing, which is start my own firm, a competing firm, take investors from him, that was not right.
And looking back on it, you know, all the back and forth, the drama with my former boss, I regret the way that I acted at times.
And I regret first and foremost, I think not being as appreciative of the opportunity that he gave me.
I think the right thing for me to do was to sit down, have a conversation with him, say, Here's how I'm feeling.
I want to do my own thing.
I'd like to get your blessing.
I'd like to leave at the end of the year, et cetera, et cetera, as opposed to saying, I'm out.
And that was the approach that I took.
And that was the wrong approach to take.
It'd be no different if you were a blacksmith in the 19th century and the man who trained you, my boss didn't train me.
I started my own thing, but the man who gave you an opportunity, I mean, my own boss, you know, not to brag, but he paid me a million dollars my first year there.
I mean, he allowed me to have a comfortable lifestyle, support my family, to support the work that I was doing with my nonprofit incubate debate.
For that, I'm grateful.
I think at the very least, Despite everything that happened, I owed him that conversation.
I didn't give him that conversation.
And that was the beginning of the bad blood.
And just an interesting fact Greenlight Capital, my former employer, they've been in existence now for 31 years.
In 31 years of all of their lawsuits that they've initiated, half of them have been against me.
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In 31 years, half of the lawsuits they've ever, and these are very litigious people.
It's New York hedge fund elite Democrat, right?
Half of the lawsuits they initiated.
And so I'm not coming here and saying, I'm a victim, I'm a victim, whatever, right?
Except personal responsibility.
It was wrong of me to get up and leave in the middle of the year.
I think it's also wrong for him to use the court system for lawfare, to try to weaponize judges, to use my employment contract, a non compete confidentiality, and say, you violated the confidentiality provision.
Well, what did I do?
Did I steal trade secrets?
No, you texted your father 31 times over the course of three years what you did at work that week.
You or I know that that's not, anyone watching knows that doesn't violate confidentiality.
But if you're a Democrat New York judge who sided against President Trump, as the judge in this case did, and you're going to read the agreement that I signed with my employer, my employment contract, confidentiality as such a broad term can mean anything.
So, yeah, literally, when I texted my dad in February of 2021, what I did at work that week, they argued that violated confidentiality.
They never asserted there were any damages, they never asserted that I did anything with that information.
But they just said you violated.
In fact, their entire case was never about recovering any damages.
It was about recovering all the future legal fees they were going to incur by suing me.
Think about it, Joel.
You screwed me over, hypothetically.
And I didn't sue you for any damages.
I just sued you so you could pay my lawyer's fees to keep suing you.
That is spiteful, petty behavior, but it doesn't excuse the fact that in many respects, I bear some responsibility for starting the bad blood by leaving in the middle of the year.
Is there any way to fix it?
No.
Yeah.
So is this just going to, are these open lawsuits?
Are they still ongoing?
No.
They're pretty much taking care of everything.
There's one that's ongoing.
It's hard to keep track with everything, but it's all civil stuff.
It's all really silly.
Do you think that they'll continue?
There'll be more in the future?
No.
Okay.
No.
The beautiful thing is that there's a statute of limitation on a lot of the stupid, silly civil stuff.
And so it's two years.
So we've already lapped that.
He's now getting into politics.
He's given millions of dollars to my opponent already behind the scenes.
We're following the dark money trail.
Yeah.
People can be upset.
People can even have a right to be upset.
But I think to go use a taxpayer funded judicial system to wage lawfare.
Against anyone.
It's no different, by the way, when, and there are these non compete agreements now that are being enforced against people who work at certain fast food franchises, where in the fine print, if you work at a McDonald's franchise, it says that you cannot cross the street and go work at Burger King.
Wow.
That's not capitalism.
That's not labor mobility.
The founding fathers would be rolling over in their grade if they found out that a 19 year old kid signed away his right to work at a competitor because he wanted to make $16 an hour so he could take his girlfriend out for a nice steak dinner.
That is not.
A legal system that actually stands up for the dignity and self respect of our workers.
And that's something I want to do as governor is that no, I'm not going to let billionaires and billionaires and these large corporations wage frivolous lawsuits and create a labor market where you can't cross the street to work for a competitor because in your labor contract, you surrender the right to do that.
No.
Look, yeah, if you work at a tech firm and you're dealing with proprietary code and you're making 500 grand a year, yeah, there's a world in which you shouldn't be moving over to your competitor because you have sensitive information.
But if you're working at Popeyes, yeah, you should be able to work at KFC.
Yep.
Well said.
Tell me the Tesla story.
What's that all about?
So, in all of this, as a result of them proving that I took confidential information, and by proving that I took confidential information, they mean that I texted my dad and what I did at work, they convinced a judge that I owed them $300,000 in legal fees.
And there was no way for me to stop that.
I couldn't appeal it.
It's just the way the justice system works.
It's what's called.
A summary judgment.
And because it was clear cut that by the very liberal reading of the confidentiality provision, by emailing my dad anything about my job, I violated confidentiality, that I was now entitled to pay all of their legal fees.
And that's what this liberal judge in New York City found.
And so they collected on that by seizing my car.
Wow.
Wow.
Okay.
Now, this is.
It's okay.
Summary Judgment Reality00:05:50
I recovered my firearm.
Good.
So, this one is the most serious.
So, what I've heard is everything that you've covered so far it's the Tesla story, it's the work, you know, past work history, all those.
But the other one that your opponents will regularly publicize and throw in your face has to do with a girlfriend who was allegedly underage.
Can you talk about that?
Absolutely.
Let me just start by saying that I have never dated anyone or been ever involved with anyone who's underage.
What happened here is a classic case of he said, she said.
And what I'm grateful for is that the she brought these allegations to court after trying to shake me down and my lawyers down with her fancy, out of state, self important lawyers down.
And I said, cool, call your bluff.
We'll see in court.
Real quick pause.
How much time passed in between the dating relationship and her now coming after you?
In these years, I'm sure this would just be a mere matter of coincidence, but did anything significant develop for you at a personal level in these years in between the dating relationship and when she came after you?
Like, for instance, did you become significantly more wealthy during that time?
I made a million dollars in one year.
Do you think that had anything to do with her all of a sudden coming and shaking you down?
I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
I'm sure it is.
Okay, continue.
Yes.
And so, if I were.
Broke living in the back of my car in the parking lot of a movie theater.
I don't think that these allegations would have been leveled against me.
And so I said, Cool, call your bluff.
We'll see you in court.
And we did.
And after seven hours of testimony, after two back to back hearings, closing briefs, I mean, it was the full thing.
It was actually a television drama, essentially, being in there.
It was really hard on my parents because it wasn't fair for them.
A judge rejected her claim.
And fully exonerated me.
And so when people come to me.
So then why does that keep getting brought up?
Well, because they always take the Epstein angle with this kind of stuff.
Yeah.
Right?
They first tried, you're a racist.
Then they tried, you're an anti Semite.
And now it's.
You're half Colombian.
How are you a racist?
Well, I'm fully American.
And, you know, I'm proud of my family in South America.
I spend a lot of time.
I talk to my grandmother, Abuelita, every other day and I call her.
But what I'll say is.
Don't trust me.
Trust a court, right?
This was not something that was settled out of court.
This is not something where it's a he said, she said, it's an ongoing.
This was fully adjudicated by a judge in Florida's second judicial circuit.
There was absolutely no evidence.
She had every opportunity to substantiate these claims, and she didn't.
And you know what, Joel?
I pray for this girl.
I truly do.
Because someone who would spend this much time going after me, hurting my parents, and I think hurting herself as well, I really do pray for her.
She would have been better off and is better off just moving on and doing something more meaningful.
And it's a shame.
It's really a shame.
Does she live in Florida?
My understanding is she still lives in Florida.
So, how many months does she have before she needs to get out?
It's pretty unfortunate when you try to shake someone down and then that someone happens to become governor.
She might be looking at a move.
I'm not saying you would be so petty to do this other thing.
If I was her, I'd be like, this is not going well.
I think that.
There were people above her.
She got really bad advice from lawyers who probably said, look, there's a payday here.
And, you know, it's like the Gloria Alred stuff, right?
It's always the lawyers at the top who are really behind the machinations, who are pulling the strings.
But it's a shame.
It really is.
But my thing is, anybody can level accusations.
I could say tomorrow that Joel Webbin held me at gunpoint and forced me to drink that in.
Entire bottle of bourbon.
I hope we're going to have a little bit of that later.
Yeah, we will.
Held me at gunpoint with an AR 15 223 and forced me to drink that entire bottle of bourbon against my will.
And then you can call CAP and we can see each other in court and you're going to have an opportunity.
I'm going to have an opportunity to prove up a case.
And if I can't, it's over and done with.
Right.
It's over and done with.
It's done.
It's done.
You have to move on.
And, but it's a shame that that is where, forget the left, my Republican opponent is openly calling me this.
Right.
The same man who refused to sign the discharge position.
To release the Epstein files to hold accountable.
See, that's the hypocrisy I can't stand.
So it's, I'm going to come after James Fish back because of a dating relationship that allegedly, even though he's been fully exonerated, and I'm going to feign concern, genuine concern about pedophiles, people who do monstrous things to children.
Meanwhile, I actually have within my power the ability to bring these monsters, real monsters, to justice, and I won't.
That's the kind of politics that Americans are done with.
They're done with where it's not actually about justice.
It's not actually about punishing wickedness, exonerating and esteeming righteousness.
It's just petty politics.
Petty Politics And Power00:10:03
It's just competition.
It's just power.
That's all.
That's all it is.
And, you know, I would never level an allegation that is unsubstantiated.
But as we sat down here today, we learned from popular reporting and from the evidence.
The evidence.
This is not some hearsay.
That my opponent was living in an open state of adultery.
That's what I want to get.
So his wife.
We covered James Fishback, but now, speaking of Byron Donalds.
Yeah.
And things that, like, I don't want hearsay.
So every time you say, I'm going to press you to back it up.
Correct.
And as Christian men, I think we should be very careful about leveling an allegation of that order, of that magnitude against an ostensible Christian.
And so I'm not here, and I'm not going to be one to level personal attacks.
We troll a little bit, as you know.
In our campaign.
But I've looked at this really closely and a lot has developed over just the last 72 hours.
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So it was Valentine's Day on Saturday.
And Congressman Donald's, his wife is Erica.
I know her actually.
I had dinner with both of them in August.
Really?
Yeah.
I was in touch with them and.
I would have thought they were a fine, happy couple, but she posted an image of these two when they first met.
And it said, It was amazing when you first came up to me and asked me for your number at the FSU dining hall in 1999.
And there's a picture of them.
And Byron Donalds is wearing a wedding ring.
Byron Donalds was married in the summer of 1999 up until 2002.
And Erica Donalds, in a social media post that is still up right now as we sit here, says, That they first started dating in 1999.
That was the beginning of their relationship.
And in that first photo, he's holding Erica Donalds by the bosom with a wedding ring on.
Wow.
And so the timeline, the marriage certificate, it's all out there.
And I wouldn't come and level an allegation against a brother like this.
And I mean brother in more ways than one with Byron.
Against a brother like this, if it weren't unimpeachable, if it weren't clear as day.
And it is sad that anyone, forget that he's my opponent.
That any man in my state would live in an open state of adultery.
It's not just actually criminal in Florida, it actually is against state statute to live in an open state of adultery.
It is one of the highest, most insulting sins to do that.
And so it has to end this entire culture.
And yeah, there's a rich irony that is accusing me, whatever, but there's a really special place for people who would cheat on their wife.
And then not even pay the divorce bill as my opponent did.
And it's got me thinking we got to change some of these divorce laws in Florida.
Yes, we do.
Let's talk about it.
Yeah.
So, right off the bat, here's what I would do.
I'd push for this to happen in year one.
If you cheat on your wife, or if you as a wife cheat on your husband, and there is a divorce, you lose everything non negotiable.
There's no 50 50.
There's no custody of anything.
You lose your right to everything, you give up everything.
End of story.
And then what I'd also do is I'd take it a step further.
For Bisa Hall, which was Byron Donald's actual wife while he was running around with Erica Donald's at FSU, I'm going to create a new cause of action in our civil court system that would allow the woman who is cheated on in any situation to bring action against the woman in this case who knew that Byron was married.
So, you can one take legal action through the divorce and dispossess him of all of his assets, but you can also, in this case, take legal action against the woman, the philanderer who came in here knowingly participated.
We're not talking about a woman who's deceived by a man.
Correct.
He takes off his ring.
But if we're talking about a social media post, not from years and years ago, right?
The picture was taken years and years ago, but they're still proud of it and posting this recently.
And in the post itself, you see the wedding ring.
Erica Donald's.
No, correct.
Right.
And the timeline in the post said, when you came up to me and asked me for my number in 1999, Byron Donalds was married on June 15th, 1999.
What is he doing?
And that was the beginning of their relationship.
He wasn't divorced until 2002.
His wife, first wife, Bisa Hall, lives in Texas.
And he still has not paid her back for the filing fees in the divorce.
And she is still sadly holding that against him.
And she should get every single penny back.
Yes.
But the bigger conversation we need to have is, and I'm not doing this to be spiteful to anybody.
I'm doing this because you got to call balls to strikes.
I believe that government has a responsibility to encourage good behavior and discourage bad behavior.
Call me what you want.
Discourage bad, encourage good.
Divorce is bad.
Adultery is bad.
Guess what?
We should discourage it.
If you go cheat on your wife, or if you as a wife cheat on your husband, I don't care if you're a doctor and you make seven figures, you're losing everything.
There's no court case.
So long as the accusation is substantiated that there was adultery, you have lost everything, including the custody of your children.
What does that do?
It sends a very powerful message to the would be adulterers in my state of 23 million people that we have a biblical calling to be faithful to our women.
And women, you have a biblical calling to be faithful to your men.
And by the way, that is not controversial.
That is a 90 10, perhaps a 95 5 issue.
I would find favor with Muslims on that, with Jews on that, with blacks, with whites, with even our Democrat brothers and sisters on that.
We've covered the adultery allegations and it.
Really seems like they're more than just allegations.
I mean, I don't know how you get away from the timeline of, you know, actually being married to another woman from 1999 to 2002.
The wedding ring is in the picture with his now wife.
Those things seem to be very substantial.
But moving on from that, covering a little bit more ground, right?
You have an individual, and as far as we can tell, he's an adulterer.
But certainly that's it, right?
Like, we're not, you know, we wouldn't want to just assume that every stereotype of Byron is true.
Like, it's not like he's an adulterer.
And you know, a drug felon, but wait, there's more.
But wait, there's more.
Can you speak to that?
Well, my favorite show growing up that I watched with my dad was Columbo, and the way Columbo would always come in and he pretended to be a bumbling idiot, which was kind of his shtick, but he was brilliant.
Is just one more thing.
There's just one more thing we need to talk about.
Let me first start by saying that any man who has paid their debt to society, who has genuinely repented and served their time, should be a free man in this country.
My opponent did, in fact, push drugs on teenagers in 1997.
He was arrested in charge for felony drug possession with the intent to distribute.
And my only question to him is Has he apologized to the children and to the families that he pushed drugs on?
Because it's one thing to serve your time, to pay your debt to society.
But when you do something as heinous as pushing an addictive poison on people, this was not, I robbed a candy bar.
This was not, I stole a kid's bike.
This was, I pushed poison.
On people, young, vulnerable, impressionable people to make a profit.
I'd like to see my opponent, who I don't really view as my opponent, really.
I view him as someone who wants the top job of my state.
I'm also asking my state to give me that job.
I'd like to know if he's apologized for what he's done to those kids.
Yeah.
Anything else?
Adultery, the drug charges, anything else that our listeners should be aware of when it comes to Byron?
Well, he is the black Warren Buffett.
He is perhaps the second only to Nancy Pelosi.
I mean that actually, he's second only to Nancy Pelosi in stock returns in Congress.
This guy's made over $4 million trading stocks in Congress in just the last few years.
He has no financial background, no financial prowess.
He's not a very bright guy.
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And yet, he, like Pelosi, went to Congress, got all the tips, knew exactly when to buy, and the stock shoots up 400%, knows exactly when to sell, rug pulls everybody.
And this has just become a habit of our politicians on.
The left with Pelosi, on the right with Congressman Donalds, which is why is it too much to ask of our elected officials?
I don't care if there's an R next to your name or a D next to your name, to go to Washington and serve the public interest without trying to profit yourself.
Right.
Why is that so difficult?
And so the simple thing that has to be said with him is are you going to give the money back?
The millions of dollars you've made over the last five years?
Because let's look at Byron Donalds' track record.
He wins his congressional race in 2020.
He becomes a congressman in 2021.
Every single spending bill that has come down the pike, he has voted yes on.
Yes, to spend more money that we don't have on things that we don't need, quite frankly, for people who should not even be in our country.
Under Byron Donald's time in Congress, national debt has gone up $7 trillion.
And not once did he put his foot down and say, enough is enough.
He votes yes to send more of our money to Israel, borrow from China, send to Israel.
And perhaps most disqualifying, very rarely is a vote, a single vote disqualifying.
But in July 2021, he voted with Joe Biden to eliminate the vetting requirements for Afghan migrants coming into our country after Afghanistan fell apart.
One of those Afghan migrants, as you know, Joel, shot two National Guardsmen right before Thanksgiving last year.
Byron Donalds voted to let people like that man, and that man came in after Byron Donalds sided with Joe Biden, voted yes on the Allies Act to completely eliminate the vetting requirements for these.
So called Afghan refugees, who we are apparently indebted for.
They are the ones who fought the war, not our brothers and sisters in the Marine Corps, in the Air Force, in the Army.
No, it was the Afghan refugees in Afghanistan and Kabul.
They were the ones who were actually fighting the war, which is why we had to let them here and fight a war against our own people.
And so I was asked by a local news reporter the other day, How are you going to defeat Byron?
My goal is not to defeat Byron.
My goal is to make my state win, to make the people of my state win.
And if Byron has to be defeated as a result of that, as a natural consequence of that, so be it.
But my only goal in this race is not to be the lesser of two evils.
Defeating Byron For Good00:09:39
My only goal is to present an alternative, affirmative vision that challenges, yes, the corrupt status quo of the Democrat establishment, but also the insidious, insufferable, out of touch elite status quo of the Republican establishment.
I don't know how much longer I can tolerate.
Seeing another Byron Donald's Fox News appearance where he complains about Kamala Harris, about Barack Obama, about Joe Biden.
Meanwhile, in Florida, we control the Florida House, the Florida Senate, the Florida Governor's Mansion.
In Washington, D.C., we control the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the White House.
Why on earth?
I'm no fan of Democrat Party politicians, but why on earth does Byron Donald wag his finger at the Democrats when our party is ostensibly in power?
We have no one to blame for the Ineptitude and the suffering that so many of us are going through when we control all the levers of power.
We need to use that power for our own end.
Right.
It's just blatant hypocrisy.
It's very similar to, ironically, what Kamala Harris herself did.
So when she's running, replacing Biden, running in this past presidential election, she's like, we need change.
We need to be untethered by the burdens of the past, those kinds of things.
It's like, woman.
You've been in charge.
You're the Borders are.
You've been the vice president.
That's the kind of rhetoric that you would use if you're campaigning and the opposing political party had been in power for four years or eight years and messed things up.
But that rhetoric that Kamala used of like, I'm coming in and I'm going to right the ship and fix the wrongs.
It's like, from who?
Who messed it up?
Me.
My team.
I've been vice president.
And that's.
That's really, I mean, we have to be honest as Republicans, like, you know, it's, I mean, it's pretty typical to hop on the anti Kamala train and anti Biden.
Like, I, I, I despise, but it's low hanging slot fruit.
Exactly.
So I despise these people and what they did to the country.
The amount of people that poured in foreigners into America that are all signed up for benefits, that are committing crimes, that are terrorizing the native citizens under the Biden, you know, the auto pin presidency is atrocious.
So I'm completely on board.
I've spoken about these things on multiple occasions.
But if we really want to be above that, then we can't actually use.
Ironically, hypocritically, the exact same rhetoric.
We can't oppose Kamala while doing the very same thing that she did.
She's talking about all these problems that she created, but then somehow positing herself as the solution.
Meanwhile, you're exactly right, James.
We're in charge.
So why are we not seeing the solutions?
Why are we not taking actions?
You can't sit there and just point the finger at the Democrats, both at the federal level and in the state of Florida.
Republicans, Have currently the power.
So do something about it.
Don't wag your finger at the Democrats.
You need to own whatever fault, whatever failure you can actually own personally.
And then it's not blaming, it's repenting.
If anything, I feel like the GOP right now, there should be not blame shifting, but repentance.
We have power.
So far, we've failed to do what we were elected to do in this regard and that regard, but we've We've pinpointed and identified the failures.
We're owning the failures.
And here's the precise, in practice, plan that we're going to implement in order to make the changes that you, the people, deserve.
And these are things that we are not hearing from, sadly, from many GOP politicians at this point.
We're not hearing plans of action.
Instead, we just hear excuses.
Even, I hate to say it, but as much as I'm grateful for Donald Trump, He was elected on a platform of mass deportations.
That decision of the American people was not give us mass deportations if everybody agrees to it or if you can do it carefully and nobody is offended or nobody is upset.
No, it's a mandate from the American people was given to the chief executive saying, get it done, get it done.
And there are certain things that need to be done.
To take place that need to take place in our country, that need to take place in your state, get it done.
And not only does Byron not really have a plan for doing any of this or even a commitment that he's going to, but there's actually on his track record that he's in many ways the cause of the very problems that need to be solved.
That's insane.
So let's round it out with this.
Why?
So, why is he the front runner?
Why is he even a contender?
Where did his name come from?
Even come from because not only is there, you know, the felony charges of pushing drugs or the adultery or this, that, and the other, but as far as I'm concerned, and I'm not saying that you agree with my position, so I'll speak for myself.
Let the record state I'm not speaking for James Fishback in this regard, but I don't see him as an American.
So for me, paper Americans are not the same as Americans.
Silence American citizen, an American is speaking.
And there is a difference between the two.
As far as I'm aware, he's.
We're not talking about a heritage black.
I believe that there are heritage blacks who are absolutely American.
They've been here as long as Europeans have been here, in some cases longer.
I, and I, you know, someone like Clarence Thomas, I praise God for Clarence Thomas.
He's been incredible.
Thomas Soule has been incredible.
But Byron Donald's, it's not just the things in his background and the moral failures, but he's a foreigner, right?
I mean, like, are his parents, can he point to anyone?
Who, you know, in his family, in his lineage, in his heritage, who has been in America for generations?
No.
And that's why the foundational.
But why have you been here?
This is like Vivek, right?
I thought we already had this argument, right?
Vivek is like, well, I was born in Ohio.
Yeah, but your parents.
We're not citizens.
Yeah.
Neither of them.
To this day, Vivek's father is not a citizen.
Right.
And there's perhaps some personal decision there, but as irrelevant, you don't get to stay in our country and not pledge your soul.
Allegiance to the United States of America.
That's a basic precondition.
But in Byron's case, I met with the foundational Black Americans recently, and they're patriots, by the way.
They're patriots.
They want no part of Byron Donald's.
Really?
Because they call him a tether.
It's a fascinating term.
I've never heard of it before.
Explain that to me.
A tether is someone like Byron, who comes from the Caribbean.
His mother is Jamaican, his father is Panamanian, who comes from the Caribbean, and all of a sudden, Pretends to be a foundational Black American, talks about the struggles of slavery.
It was Byron Donalds, by the way, who sided with Kamala Harris against Governor Ron DeSantis in 2023 over the slavery curriculum in our public schools, which was historically accurate, which was foundational, and all of that.
And so this is a guy that when push comes to shove, he will side with the Democrats and cry, slave this, slave that, but he can't point to a single ancestor.
Who was actually enslaved here in the United States of America?
Byron Donalds is maybe a good guy.
Maybe he's a good father.
Definitely he deserves equal dignity and equal treatment under the law.
But on the question of whether his birthright and his ancestry on either side of his family is tied to this country, it is unequivocal.
His mother was born in Jamaica.
His father was born in Panama.
He was born in New York.
Neither of his parents were citizens of this country.
If the birthright citizenship Case goes the way we think it should.
And he wouldn't even be a citizen of this country.
He may not even be a citizen of this country.
He wouldn't even be a governor.
Correct.
So, Byron Donald's is if we actually adopt what the framers would have viewed, I mean, obviously the 14th Amendment was adopted later, but if you would have pushed the question of the 14th Amendment, the origin, Byron Donald's would not have become a United States citizen because neither of his parents were U.S. citizens at the time of birth.
Right.
Look, this is not the reason why he shouldn't be governor, but I think it's an important.
Thing to take into account that yet again, you have somebody coming here, and it's not me saying this.
The foundational Black Americans find him insufferable because he will sit there and say that I'm in this with you.
I'm in this slavery, this slavery that.
It'd be like you or I moving to Ukraine next month and trying to stand with the victims of the Holodomir and say, We understand the struggle of the Holodomir.
No, you don't.
No, we don't.
We're not Ukrainian.
Right.
America Wins Without Americans00:02:18
Now, if I may, because we do tangents, we've had a lot of tangents in our conference, we did a little in and out, which was fun.
But I want to get back to this thing of Republicans in DC.
The Republicans in DC are completely delusional.
They actually think this year gets an A. They're not crazy, though, because when they say make America great again, and we say make America great again, we're actually talking about two different Americas.
When the DC Beltway establishment Republican says make America great again, what do they define America as?
When you and I and everyone watching at home, black, white, Republican, Democrat, say make America great again, they mean.
People, American citizens, having great paying jobs, being able to buy homes, exist in their country, affordability, safe streets.
That's what we mean when we say make America brave.
It's the same as America first.
When I say America first, I mean Americans first.
Correct.
I don't mean America as a sports team that can switch out like fungible widgets, all of its individual players.
When I say America first, I don't actually mean America beating China, right?
I have my.
Concerns about China and other nations for that matter.
China, just for the record, is not the country that I would be most concerned about, but I do have concerns.
I could imagine which country that is, Joel.
Yes, you could.
So I'm not talking about America first, meaning America as a sports team winning first place prize on the global stage against other nations and the race for AI or the race for economic dominance or this, that, and the other.
When I say America first, and I know that you mean this too, James, we mean Americans first.
We mean the people.
And here's the deal if America wins, And it wins on the global stage.
It wins economically.
It wins in geopolitics and military strength and all these different things.
But America wins without Americans.
America wins because we imported the top 1% of India and the top 1% of this country, but displaced our own people.
Then America did not win.
It's not America first.
That's America last.
America lost.
That's losing.
Meritocracy And Family Ties00:05:12
And even when I think about meritocracy, it's like, We've gone through this evolution, you know, political evolution.
I know that I have, and I see it.
I know it's not just me.
Everybody, we're all learning in real time what's been lost over the last 80 years.
We're all, you know, on our red pill journey and coming to see, oh, Pat Buchanan was right about everything, you know, and oh, this person was, you know, and we're realizing these things and we're building the plane in mid flight, right?
We're trying to quickly, you know, learn in 15 minutes what, if we had a better country and we had better education, like we would have all learned over the course of the last 15 years.
But You work with what you have.
And this is where we are in the providence of God.
We're doing what we can.
So, for myself, and I know many others, you know, 2020, you've got, you know, COVID, you've got the summer of love, you know, and St. George Floyd and all the riots and this, that, and the other.
And so, the big thing is like, we're going to be bold, we're going to be courageous.
And as conservatives, we're going to push back and say, hey, no preferential treatment for anyone, none of this DEI policies.
It should be a strict meritocracy.
Well, here's the deal meritocracies have their merit.
That is true.
But I'll tell you what is not virtuous at all.
Meritocracy only works, and even with this, there are some nuances that we don't have time to get into, but we'll just say, at the risk of oversimplifying, meritocracy has its merits.
It does work, but it works within a closed family.
And what a nation is supposed to be, in even God's purview of speaking of the nations, the nation, all it is, is the family writ large.
That's what a nation is.
The Bible, some translations in certain passages will say all the nations of the earth.
Other translations, same verse, will say all the families of the earth.
That's what a nation is.
It's an extended family, it's your kin.
These are all brothers and sisters and cousins and third and fourth cousins.
That's what a nation is.
It's my people, my people.
And meritocracy, just again, at the risk of oversimplifying, this is how we should think about it.
This is how Americans' politicians and the GOP should think about it if they weren't shameless.
Meritocracy plus globalism is real palpable hatred towards your own family.
Correct.
Imagine that.
Imagine if, as a father, right?
So now going to the nuclear family, imagine if I, I have five children as a father, I said, you know what?
We're going to have, we want fairness.
Your mother and I have decided we're not going to have a favorite child.
We love you all equally and we're going to have fairness.
And there's a couple of privileges in the home.
And they're up for grabs for anyone who is able to earn it.
Anyone who is being obedient, doing good in school, doing the things that your mother and I have asked you to do.
But in the spirit of fairness, there are these few pristine places of privilege.
And we've decided that it's a meritocracy, but we wanted to be truly fair.
And so we opened it up to the whole neighborhood, not just my five children, all the children in the whole neighborhood.
And so, you know, if Johnny next door, if his report card in the next six weeks is better than yours, he can stay up late and sleep over.
That's right.
And he'll get an allowance, you know, on Friday.
And how brutal, how hostile, how sinister.
It makes me angry when I think civil magistrates are called by God to be civil fathers.
The citizenship of a country is the family.
Writ large, and they are the civil sons and daughters who are looking to their fathers to care for them.
Even guys like Thomas Watson, guys like Matthew Henry, I think of the Puritans, I think of the Reformers, I think of certain Catholic theologians, I think of Aquinas.
All these guys, they talked about civil fathers should, and they use this word, they say, play a role of nurturing their civil sons and daughters.
It is a role of nurture.
It's a fatherly, should be an affectionate, nurturing role.
And what we have is we have the civil fathers of our country turning all their benevolence outside to strangers at the neglect of their own.
It doesn't just make me angry.
I truly believe this, and I'm not trying to use hyperbolic language.
But as a pastor who's read the Bible once or twice, it makes God angry.
God hates it.
It's actually wicked.
It is a breach of the fifth commandment to honor thy father and mother.
In your case, being Catholic, fourth commandment, we number them a little bit differently.
But it's a breach of the fifth commandment.
God Hates This Rhetoric00:15:09
It's the only difference between us.
There's a couple differences.
But it's a breach of the fifth commandment to honor thy father and mother.
Think about that.
Think of what did the founders say?
Who did they bleed and sweat and die for?
For us and our posterity.
They didn't do it for India, they didn't do it for Afghanistan.
No.
They didn't, that's not what they did it for.
Imagine me like working hard to save an inheritance for my children, and then my children give it to someone else instead of my grandchildren, their children, and they just give it to some 501c3 charity organization.
And they get to, you know, lay down in their bed at night with, you know, feeling good about themselves and how generous they've been, how charitable they've been.
But my grandchildren are unemployed.
They live in a country that's unrecognizable and they have no hope and no future.
And that's what the GOP is currently doing to its own.
Constituents, the people who voted them into office.
And to hear, I was not aware of this actually, but to hear that Byron Donald's, it's one thing, like we all evolve, we all change.
And change, here's the deal, we're Christians, right?
So we have a biblical word for change, to change one's mind 180 degrees about faith.
Well, the Bible has a word for this, and it's not something to be ashamed of.
It's actually virtuous.
It's called repentance.
So you and I, we have a category for repentance.
We're not going to just wag our finger and hold something over someone's head in perpetuity.
Because you used to think this way, but now you think that way.
We welcome repentance.
We welcome change.
But when you talk about Byron Donalds, we're not talking about 20 years ago that he voted.
We're talking about in 2021, the high water mark of the left that was flooding the country with strangers and foreigners at the expense of the Native American people.
And he voted and threw his hat in the ring with Joe Biden to back.
Afghanis who are murderers who come and murder white families, American families.
And this isn't 20 years ago.
You said 2021 is when that's insane, disqualified.
He shouldn't even be in the race.
How in the world, especially, I mean, it'd be one thing if he was running as a Democrat.
You're running as a GOP to replace Ron DeSantis, who's not perfect, but God bless him, he's done incredible things.
That's what a devastating blow to DeSantis and his legacy.
To be replaced by such a dark vision of the future that replaces the native citizens of Florida that doesn't care for them, that's riddled with the past and adultery.
And I just, I appreciate Trump.
I'm a bit frustrated with him, as you can tell currently.
Why did Trump endorse him?
What's going on?
Well, the inside baseball of DC politics is fascinating.
Byron Donalds was actually on the shortlist, believe it or not, to be the vice president.
What?
Yeah.
And I know this because I know the Donalds's.
I know Erica.
I've been in touch with them now.
And so he was passed up.
JD was obviously picked.
And then Byron's next thing was try to become Treasury Secretary.
Obviously, he was passed up.
Next thing was try to become HUD Secretary, Housing and Urban Development.
Byron Donalds was once again passed up.
And then what happens?
The Consolation Prize.
Mr. President, I didn't get VP.
I didn't get Treasury Secretary.
I didn't get Housing and Urban Development Secretary.
Will you please endorse me for Florida Governor a year ago?
And Trump.
Said yes.
And what I've learned from people inside the president's inner circle is the president's already regretting that because of how quickly our campaign has risen.
I launched this campaign 11 weeks ago.
We were polling at 2%.
The most recent poll covered in the New York Times, the New York Times, mind you, has us at 23%.
Congressman Donald's at 37%.
Imagine what we've done in 11 weeks.
Now imagine what we can do with six more months.
Right.
He's done that with $45 million in the coffer.
Correct.
Miriam Adelson in the bank.
A lot of Jewish money.
He's also been able to do this with a Trump endorsement.
And he's Been campaigning for close to a year, nine years.
Well, campaigning in quotes, because his version of campaigning is putting out a strongly worded letter or going on Fox and whining.
My version of campaigning is going to actually meet voters, hear their concerns, talk to them.
What gets them up in the morning, but also what keeps them up at night?
What do they fear?
Because not just this country is unrecognizable, but Joel, my state is unrecognizable.
We used to have citrus groves out in Davie, Florida.
We used to have citrus groves in Frostproof and Sebring.
We used to have cattle in Okeechobee.
Our state is becoming a concrete jungle.
It's being surrendered to property developers.
AI data centers are being built in places all over the state in small towns like Fort Meade.
Where they're going to see 40 to 50% higher electric bills.
So Sam Altman and Elon Musk can train the next generation of AI slop.
That's not the state that my parents, that my grandparents called home.
And so we have to be very honest about what this election is.
It is a fork in the road.
Yes, it is a fork in the road for this competing ideology in the GOP right now.
I think it's probably, some say it's MAGA versus America first.
Those are highly loaded terms.
I think you and I are MAGA in literal sense.
We want to make America great again.
But the objective terms I would use for the split in the GOP is economic corporatism, of which Byron Donald espouses.
And then you and I would say economic nationalism.
Yes.
You and I believe in an emeritocracy.
See, that's exactly what you have to have the nationalism piece.
You have to.
So I want America to be economically prosperous.
Correct.
Absolutely.
And I want America to win.
And I actually want America to win on a global stage.
The difference is I actually believe that the way that's accomplished, the only way that's accomplished, is betting on the American people.
I actually think that America is the best because I believe Americans are the best.
Correct.
I don't think that we need to import.
I don't think that we need to switch and trade and do this and do that.
Like, I believe in Americans.
I believe in our heritage.
I believe in our history.
I believe in the virtues.
Like, I actually love America.
I actually love this country.
I love what it used to stand for, what I believe by the grace of God it could stand for once more.
And so that's the difference meritocracy.
It has a space within reason, the idea of economic prosperity, all these things.
But the missing piece is nationalism.
And that's, I think, America First and what it represents.
And I would describe myself in that category absolutely.
I am America First.
And I'm very hopeful for this movement.
I think that there are potential pitfalls along the way and things like any movement that's new, it has to grow up, it has to mature, it has to evolve, all those kinds of things.
But I'm very bullish on America first.
And the reason why is because it is a return to nationalism.
I think that's the key ingredient.
Everything else falls apart if there's not first a devotion and allegiance to your people.
And I look at Democrats, their allegiance is to other people, foreign people, because they want to import them for cheap votes.
I look to Republicans, their allegiance is to other people because they want to import them for cheap labor.
I look to America first, and I'm very hopeful.
But at the same time, I recognize it's like three people, right?
Thomas Massey.
You know, there's not that many guys who are really a part of this.
And I think there's potential.
I think there's hope.
I think it's growing.
There's a lot of young guys.
But that's why, you know, we'll end the episode here.
But that's why I'm taking the time to speak with you, it's not just about this race in Florida.
It is about that.
It's nothing less than that.
It's.
That you win.
But it's not just vital for Florida for the next four to eight years.
It's vital for the country.
It's vital for me all the way over here in Texas because what you represent, James, if you win, what it says, it's a shot across the bow.
What it says to every single politician, whether they be Democrat or Republican, is it says America First is actually a serious, political, viable platform.
It says it literally will make everybody else start changing their tune.
They'll start working harder.
They'll be like, oh my goodness, we've got to get our act together.
We've got to shape up because.
This America First movement, that is Americans First, is going to kick our butts if we don't actually do what the American people have voted us into office to do.
That's why you have to win, because if you win, it's the meme, you know, it's the old adage of, you know, there's a guy with a whip and it's just one dude, but he's the elite, he's the slave master, you know, who's whipping this crowd of guys that are all bowed over and he's whipping all, and then one stands up.
Right, and it's just one, he's still got the whip, he has the power.
Everybody, but when one stands up, then it inspires two or three others.
And once three or four are standing, then they all stand up, and that guy is done.
The guy with the whip, the guy who's been lording it over them, domineering over them, exploiting the people um, his reign of terror ends in that moment, and it always starts with one.
This is what God always does.
The book of Judges, right?
God would raise up.
One and he would inspire others, whether it be Samson or whether it be Barack or whether it be Gideon.
Like this, this is a tale as old as time.
We know this, Christian or not, it's instinctual to human nature.
We know that the way that change happens is slowly, then all at once.
And it takes one to start.
If you win, it changes American politics.
It doesn't just change Florida for the better, which it does for the next temporary amount of time.
If James Fishback can win, not dog catcher, But governor of the third largest state in America.
It says that American first politics is a viable contender, and everyone will either join the movement or get their act together in order to be a legitimate competition to the movement.
All of American politics improves if you win.
And that's why I invited you here.
What's an honor.
And I ended my campaign video with a very simple premise I'd like to tell you, which is.
Florida is our home.
America is our birthright.
And we can never let them steal that from us.
That's why I'm running to be the governor of my state.
I'm running to represent the 23.5 million people who call Florida home.
My family's been there for four generations.
But I'm also running to recognize the fact that this debate that is eating our party alive, it's not a debate.
It's not something where we're trying to assert a new unproven theory called America First.
America First is what set this country into motion 250 years ago.
This is nothing new or novel.
This has been what our country, even on the left, John F. Kennedy was America first.
And so I think we ought to recognize that if we're honest with ourselves, if we're honest with Democrats.
So was Nixon.
Nixon was an incredible president, by the way.
He was.
And I would get right on improving our high school curriculum to actually teach the truth about President Nixon because he was a brilliant man.
He was a brilliant man.
And to have McGraw-Hill.
He was slanderously smeared.
He was slandered.
He was smeared.
And in a way that was.
One, politically motivated, but also just completely ahistorical.
Right.
Completely ahistorical.
If you do work that into the curriculum, just unsolicited advice, just throwing my hat in the ring, you could also include the transcripts from a specific phone call between him and Billy Graham.
It would be quite interesting.
If you don't know what I'm talking about, I'll tell you what I'm talking about.
I know what you're talking about.
But I think the bigger point to all of this is when we say America first, let me just be, just as an exercise, I can pervert America first right now.
America first.
America first means the American economy, American technology, the American competitive advantage in AI is first.
That means, Joel, that to be America first, you have to bring over 600,000 Chinese students.
You have to bring over 100,000 H 1Bs.
Because if we let China beat us in the AI arms race, then it will hurt everybody.
And that's not America first.
America first means leading on the world stage.
That often sounds like neoconservatism.
So let's be very precise with our words.
I'm with the America First movement.
Real quick, but can we throw Elon Musk a bone?
We can.
And we can take it back retroactively if he disappoints us.
But in the spirit of what I said earlier in terms of change and repentance, Elon Musk has, I think, in real time, rethought some of these things and backtracked with some of his rhetoric.
Sure.
Even on that point of America First.
I mean, he just, at the time of this recording, he just recently tweeted out either today or yesterday.
Within the last 24 hours, saying exactly what you just articulated, America first, and going directly against and contradicting to what he said just 13 months ago, and acknowledging that he was wrong.
And I appreciate, especially from the world's richest man, he doesn't have to apologize to anybody.
If anybody has F you money, that guy's got it.
And so for him to humble himself and actually say, you know what, I was wrong.
If we beat China and if we beat this and we beat that and we win, but we do it at the cost of replacing.
Americans, and it was all for naught.
And I was super encouraged to see that.
So I just want to publicly say, Elon Musk, we appreciate that.
Don't let me down, champ.
Elon is a very interesting fellow, but we should be forever grateful for what he did with X, bringing real free speech back.
And look, there's going to be shadow bans here, there's going to be accounts that get suspended there.
But let's not forget the systematic and systemic censorship of Christians, conservatives, homeschool parents, people pushing for election integrity.
Who had real concerns about the vaccines, about mandates, about the vaccine injured?
That was a total cesspool under Jack Dorsey and Yul Roth.
That's just the hard truth.
What is interesting is Elon Musk, a year ago with Vivek Ramaswamy, was singing a very different tune.
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That's what I'm referencing.
18 months ago.
18 months ago.
It's amazing how two Christmas in a year, Vivek has pushed the same thing.
In 2024, it's become a Christmas tradition.
It's become a Christmas tradition.
It's an Indian H1B Christmas tradition.
What do you do at Christmas time in your Indian household?
We eat curry and we tell Americans why they're not actually American.
That's right.
What?
And his new thing this past Christmas was this New York Times op ed where he said that anybody who watches Nick Fuentes does not deserve to be in the conservative movement.
Let me just be very clear with you, Joel.
I don't want to mince words.
If the men that I saw, that I've met at my events in Pasco County, in Broward County, in Duval County, who wear that Blue America First hat, I found them to be proud, patriotic, well informed, and insightful.
If they represent the America First movement, we should be grateful that they are part of the conservative movement.
We should never disavow, denounce, or distance ourselves from these patriots.
Yep.
Amen.
Well said.
All right.
We will end the episode there.
That's just, we've covered a lot and that's a lot to think about.
But this is why you have my endorsement for what it's worth.
Not that you need it.
I don't even live in Florida, so it doesn't count for much.
But for what it's worth, this is why you have my support is that issue right there.
America first means Americans first.
You could just say that.
America first means Americans first.
And And the reality is, you would think, oh my goodness, like, okay, that doesn't make someone special.
There's nothing unique about that.
Here's the sad, right?
We're given some white pills in the series, but here's a black pill for you.
That actually is, in the year of our Lord 2026, a unique position among politicians.
It is.
That is by far the minority report.
Guys in DC who are willing to say America first means Americans first.
And then you kind of have to ask even a follow up question with that like, what kind of American?
You know, like what kind of American are we talking like 15 minute American?
Are we talking about the American that's been here?
You know, the, the, the, or we're talking about the H1B who's presently here.
Exactly.
Who's within the borders of America.
Exactly.
Is that an American?
Right.
But if we at least got them to admit that the KPI, the key performance indicator, right, that what we're optimizing for is actually the prosperity of Americans as opposed to C plus I plus G plus NX, which is the formula for GDP, right?
Or as opposed to the stock market, the Dow's at 50,000, the SP's at 7,000.
And yet, 70,000% of recent college grads cannot get a job in their own field of study.
And no, they didn't study gender intersectionality.
They did the STEM thing that everyone told them to do.
Republicans included science, tech, engineering, math, only to find out that those jobs were given to Indian H 1Bs.
And the Americans were never even interviewed for those jobs because those pesky Americans know they want a dignified market wage.
If you zoom out, the white pill to your black pill is that.
Yes, genuine Americans first policy is not well subscribed amongst the DC Beltway elite.
But genuine Americans first policy all over my state of Florida and throughout this land is the winning message.
Yes.
If the Republican Party pushes out America first, they should cease to exist.
Yep.
They will just prove that they're part of that uniparty establishment with the Democrats.
I think that if we can bring on the America first tradition, kick out the neocons, jettison the line, go up losers.
Actually, build a party that works for American citizens, we will have a true golden age and something we'll all be proud of.