James Fishback, a Florida gubernatorial candidate, equates abortion to first-degree murder and genocide, proposing to replace 53 clinics with crisis centers while criminalizing mail-order pill shipments with public hangings. He advocates taxing OnlyFans creators to fund schools, arguing most workers are trapped by poverty rather than choice, and insists the 14th Amendment protects unborn life federally. Ultimately, Fishback frames his campaign as a strategic necessity for "sons of light" to outmaneuver cultural decay through economic incentives for marriage and severe penalties for reproductive rights violations. [Automatically generated summary]
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Abortion Is A Holocaust00:01:49
Well, abortion, some conservatives will say abortion is murder.
And then they'll say, well, let's negotiate a 10 or a 12 week thing.
It's either murder or it isn't.
It's either a Holocaust or it isn't.
And it is a Holocaust.
Either it is a genocide against the next generation or it isn't.
And so, abortion of any kind, surgical, chemical, it's all wrong.
As a Christian, I believe that IVF is wrong, that designer babies are wrong, that surrogacy is morally depraved.
But I think we have to go a step further.
I don't want to just shut down this 53 abortion.
Clinics.
I want to erect a crisis pregnancy center that is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year, right where that abortion clinic once stood.
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Politics And The Free Press00:09:04
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The 30 year old CEO of an investment firm, Fishback says he would build on DeSantis' legacy.
I'm up the phone and I say I will never disavow patriotic Americans.
It is absolutely vital that James Fishback wins.
James Fishback running for Florida governor.
I am Pastor Joel Webbin.
You are James Fishback.
We have spent a little bit of time together, but this is really our first debut of a long form series with you and your race for Florida's next governor.
But the question that I think is looming for a lot of guys, including myself, and so I'm going to treat you with not just the kid gloves, but actually press some.
Why in the world should I trust you?
You came out of nowhere.
All of a sudden, you're a sensation.
Nobody's ever heard of you.
And a little bit of some of the back things that are popping out are not great.
Barry Weiss, Bill Ackman, right?
I mean, arguing pretty profusely on Jubilee for Israel.
Help me walk through that.
How do you make sense of it?
Well, I think I'll go all the way back to high school, if I may.
All right.
High school debate was my training, it was the thing that I did that.
I don't think I would be the person I am today without having done high school debate.
I remember my high school debate teacher throwing me in my first tournament at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School of all places, Parkland, in 2009, shortly after Barack Obama had been elected, and debating a so called assault weapons ban.
And then for the next four years, every other weekend, I was at debate tournaments, taking positions that I may or may not have agreed with, using evidence from the Heritage Foundation, from Cato, from Brookings, reading Friedman, The Economist, all of that.
Try to make sense of what was going on politically.
One of the things I learned very quickly in debate is when the facts change, you have to change with them.
Let me just address the Israel thing head on.
October 7th was a tragedy.
It was a heinous terrorist attack, not just against Jews, but against Americans, against Thai, against Filipinos who happened to be working or visiting in that part of southern Israel.
And I, like nearly every American, came out and forcefully condemned what happened on October 7th.
What happened afterward, though, is This, the anti Semitism label became conflated with a lot of the conduct that you or I didn't like, but it wasn't actually anti Semitic.
I don't like the fact that students at the University of Florida were running into classrooms chanting Free Palestine and disrupting English class or disrupting the flow, not of just one particular group of students, but of all students.
We saw it at Harvard, we saw it at Columbia.
And I fell, I'll be the first to admit it, I fell for this lie that that was all anti Semitic behavior.
It was actually, in many respects, Marxist.
Communist anti American agitation, I fell for that being anti Semitic.
Now, I've never worked for Barry Weiss.
The Free Press has published some of my work.
I think the Free Press actually did some pretty interesting stories that they ran, not necessarily from their own, but from third party contributors during COVID about vaccine mandates, about mask mandates, about free speech.
I think the Twitter files, I mean, you got to give credit where credit's due.
Barry Weiss and her team did a really good job with the Twitter files, showing exactly how Twitter 1.0 Under Yul Roth, under Jack Dorsey, had systematically censored conservatives like you and me.
That is not the same as the Israeli state media that parts of the free press have become.
And the free press actually came to one of my recent events, asked if they could cover it.
And I said, I'm not turning anybody away.
If you want to come, that's fine.
And I think they were even surprised by the support that we have on the ground.
They said that we haven't seen anything like this since a guy named Zorhan Mamdani, and I don't really want to be affiliated with him all too much, but you got to respect the guy's rise.
Yep.
No, I'll just say straight up, I have thought that several times.
It excites me and it scares me.
But that is the person that I would compare you to Zoran.
And part of the reason why I think that he was successful is he found ways to have a grassroots movement that stretched across the political aisle.
Now he's doing it with his ultimate allegiance being on the left.
And I'm trusting and hoping and praying that you are doing that with your ultimate allegiance being on the right.
And when I say your ultimate allegiance being on the right, I'm not talking about the neocon right.
I don't want to see any allegiance.
To the right as it has recently been over the past few decades.
I'm not interested in Mitt Romney right wing politics, but the right, in the sense of Christ as king, Christianity having preeminence in the West, being our history, being our heritage, being against the murder of unborn children, standing up for the rights of the unborn, against abortion, championing traditional marriage, these kinds of things.
And I think that that's you.
And that's why I have you here, is because I'm believing that that's true.
But the reason why I would compare you to Zoran in some sense is because I think that's how he won.
I think that he tapped into a new political movement that is stretching across the aisle and saying, here are some things that all young Americans, whether they be on the left, whether they be on the right, agree with.
And I see you accomplishing some of those same things.
Well, thanks.
And I mean, I'll never be disappointed when someone compares me to a winner.
Right.
And he's a winner.
I mean, this time last year, Soran Mamdani was polling at literally 1%, not just in the polls, but on poly marketing call sheet, which is where real money is being bet.
I'm not a big fan of online betting, but it's a good way to measure.
Yeah, people put their money behind it.
So you know, this is what they actually think.
It's a good sort of cross reference to what the polls are saying.
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The most recent poll has Congressman Donald's, my opponent, in first place with 37% of the vote, me with 23% of the vote in second place.
The only poll that matters is my primary date, which is August 18th.
But we've got real support on the ground.
This is really hard to do.
And I don't, there's obviously, it's not the hardest thing in the world to campaign.
But I don't think I would be able to go and drive seven, eight hours a day from pensacola to Mariana to Jacksonville to Orlando to Sumter County to Citrus County.
If we didn't have 150, 200 people showing up to our events on average, right?
And people that look like you and me, but also people that you'd be surprised could ever even vote, bring themselves to vote for a Republican.
Now, let's just zoom out, if I may, for a moment, which is Florida's a red state.
So they say, let's just math.
Ron DeSantis won re election by 20 points.
Right.
Donald Trump won the state in 24 by 13 points.
There are 1.4 million more registered Republicans than there are Democrats.
So the truth is, the next governor of Florida is going to be a Republican.
That's right.
And that's what my friends on the left are, I think, starting to pick up on when they come to our events if the next governor is going to be a Republican, why on earth am I waiting until November to have my voice heard?
Why am I letting the system disenfranchise me?
Why don't I do what thousands of people have already done, Joel?
It's switch over their party registration from independent, which is called NPA, non party affiliated in Florida, from libertarian, God bless our libertarian brothers and sisters.
The 3%.
The 3%.
And even Democrats saying, look, I might not agree with this fishback guy on everything, but the Democrat can't win in Florida.
It's math, it's statistics, it's probability.
If I were living in New York City, don't take it out of context, but if I were living in New York City, I would probably be a registered Democrat.
My politics wouldn't be any different.
Perhaps I'd even be more radical because I'd be in that echo chamber.
But I would recognize that voting for a Republican in the general is stupid in New York City.
The real election happens in the primary.
The same thing happens in Florida.
And so what we are seeing on the ground with the voter registration numbers.
Is thousands of people, Democrats, independents, libertarians, switching over to Republican to vote our campaign on August 18th?
Florida Math And Non Negotiables00:03:08
Why are we doing that?
Why are we seeing that happen?
Because we are going back to the basics.
And I don't mean the basics.
You know, I'm not this kind of centrist Republican.
Let's all get along.
Let's all do the kumbaya thing, which is rather fitting given the Trump Lion King meme a couple of weeks ago.
But Democrats don't want to see their country stolen from the Democrats that I know.
The Dixiecrats from the Panhandle, whose ancestors fought and bled for this country in the Battle of Mariana in the 1860s, protecting their land, their children, their family, they don't want this country sold off, auctioned off.
The black girl who goes to FAMU's School of Pharmacology, she doesn't want to have her job or her kids' job given to an H 1B from Calcutta or Mumbai.
And so, what I'm doing with this campaign is speaking to issues that actually unite large parts.
Of the left with the right.
I'm never going to say something that I don't believe in an attempt to get votes.
I've been very clear on the campaign trail that on the issue that is one that divides the country right now abortion, non negotiable for me.
Life begins at conception, Jeremiah chapter one, verse five.
The correct number of abortions in Florida is zero.
Full stop.
It is zero.
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Closing Down Fifty Three Clinics00:11:45
We have 53 abortion clinics still open today.
I want to shut them down.
Heck, Chole, if we need to, we'll burn them down to the ground because what's happening in there?
You know, people say, well, abortion, some conservatives will say abortion is murder.
And then they'll say, well, let's negotiate a 10 or a 12 week thing.
It's either murder or it isn't.
It's either a Holocaust or it isn't.
And it is a Holocaust.
Either it is a genocide against the next generation or it isn't.
And so, abortion of any kind, surgical, chemical, it's all wrong.
As a Christian, I believe that IVF is wrong, that designer babies are wrong, that surrogacy is morally wrong.
Depraved.
But I think we have to go a step further.
I don't want to just shut down this 53 abortion clinics.
I want to erect a crisis pregnancy center that is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year, right where that abortion clinic once stood.
You're a mom and you need help.
You need support.
You need diapers.
You need baby food.
You need prenatal postpartum care.
You need someone to talk to.
The community is going to come and support you.
And I've even said the pro life thing to do as well is to work.
To institute paid maternity leave across the state.
That's the pro life thing to do.
I don't think you can say that you're pro life in many respects and say, well, you had the baby on Saturday, you got to be back to work on Monday morning.
Now, my mom and my dad, they had their own careers, but for better or worse, neither of them worked at the same time for much of my childhood.
So while they both had jobs, we really did grow up in a single income household.
I want to get back to that.
I want to get back to a nation.
We had it in the 60s.
We had it in the 70s.
We even had it maybe up until the early 90s when I was a kid, where you could actually raise a family on a single income, where you could really get married before the age of 30, where you could easily have a home before the age of 30.
And there's so much that's in the way of that that we can actually fix at the state level.
Like a lot of people want to throw up their hands and black pill over Trump.
I think Trump has been, by and large, a really good president.
Yeah, he has.
There's a lot I can disagree with, but.
He's disappointed me in the second term.
That's fair.
But he's still the best president within my lifetime.
I think it's.
It behooves us to show gratitude and honor where honor is due.
But at the same time, we're not married to a person.
No.
We're married to a particular conviction, a particular mission, and the mission goes on.
And if that person is no longer pushing the bounds, then we have to push past them, but we don't have to run them over in the bus on our way further.
We can still show honor and respect.
But there are many, many people who are evolving past MAGA at this point, who are disenchanted.
That came out and voted for Trump three times.
He won all three times, by the way.
I agree.
I agree.
And he's done a lot of good.
But at the same time, what we need to push forward, it doesn't seem as though he's quite willing to cross the Rubicon.
I mean, when he won in 2024 and immediately was Napoleon posting, right?
He who saves his country violates no law.
I was like, we're back.
Let's go.
This is what I'm talking about.
We've got a country to save.
But the actions, right?
The bite hasn't been nearly what the bark has been.
And so, yeah, so we appreciate Trump.
God bless him.
We're grateful for him, but we have to push further.
But I want to go back real quick to abortion because it matters.
And I understand that, you know, for me, my entire adult life until really, really recently has been just a single issue voter, like many Christians.
I've always thought in terms of I'm going to vote GOP down the line because they're going to have a I can't necessarily say pro life.
I wish that I could, but they'll at least be less pro-death than the Democrat Party, which is insisting on abortions all the way up to nine months.
We've seen even recently with some nations like Canada etching out legal provisions that you can tell that they're setting the stage for euthanasia now for a child that's already born because, oh, well, this child was born and has certain health conditions.
Or in some cases, I've even seen them making arguments for the child was born to a poor family.
So because mom and dad.
Have less money than they're going to humanely and in love is the terminology that they would use put the child to death after being born.
And so the Democrat Party has been utterly pro death.
And Republicans, that's kind of been the issue.
But now there are some of these other issues that have risen to the forefront of many Americans' minds, including Christians such as myself, such as immigration and thinking that what are the things that are pushing.
You know, that would cause someone to think about abortion in the ways that we think about abortion.
And I think being replaced, feeling as though you can't afford to have kids, that you can't have a single income family, all the things that we took for granted growing up.
So, all that's on the forefront of my mind.
But going back to abortion, one more, and then we'll move forward and look at some other issues.
This is kind of a litmus test for me when it comes to politicians.
We say that, you know, we want to burn abortion clinics to the ground.
Yes and amen.
On the ash pile, build, you know, pregnancy crisis centers, those kinds of things.
I think that that is wonderful.
That said, if abortion really is murder, then this is something that Donald Trump even said early on in his first term when he was campaigning, I believe, all the way back in 2015.
But he eventually backed off of this rhetoric.
And so, hear me, I'm going to give a couple disclaimers because I want to be clear with my words.
I'm not just trying to pick on women.
If there's a father that is coercing his daughter to get an abortion, Then he's liable.
If there's a boyfriend, if there's a husband, if there's a fiance, if there's an uncle, if there's a greedy employer who says now's not a good time to be pregnant.
Correct.
Then they close at eight.
Stop screwing around, Stacey.
That's right.
Any man who's involved is liable, is absolutely liable.
And that includes, of course, the man who is a paid hitman, in other words, the abortionist himself.
But when we, if we really believe, like you quoted Jeremiah, yes and amen, a thousand times, but if we really believe that this is human life and that it begins at conception, If a woman with a five year old son, a mother,
drove her son to a hitman and paid him money to shoot that child in the back of the head, we would say that man is a monster and that he needs the full extent of the law has to come to bear on that man.
But we would also say this mother, that there has to be some kind of penalty.
And I feel like the only way abortion will ever truly be ended is we have to eventually.
Call it for what it is, this second victim narrative.
I understand that the circumstances and the bed that has been made for some of these single mothers is everything against their favor.
Everything is against them.
It's pushing them towards this terrible decision that many of them come to regret the rest of their lives.
They struggle with PTSD.
They have nightmares and cold sweats in the middle of the night, knowing what they did.
They instinctively, in their conscience, right?
They're made in the image of God.
They know.
That they've done something that is atrocious and wrong.
And yet, at the same time, you and I have talked offline a little bit, we've talked online a little bit about deterrence, right?
That's what justice does, right?
There are just penalties under the law, not because we want to retroactively pass laws and then go and find everybody over the last 50 years.
We're not talking about retroactive applications of laws, but I do believe that the only way abortion will really be over and done away with for good is that eventually we have to say that every man involved is liable, that that hitman, paid hitman, the abortionist, is absolutely liable, but also that woman.
Despite all the things against her, who makes that decision, there has to be some kind of deterrent that says, if you make this decision, there is a lawful penalty for you as well.
And I'm curious, I remember Trump saying it was an iconic moment where he was like, Yeah, I feel like that just makes logical sense.
There should be some kind of penalty.
And I'm not saying that this is a day one thing that you do, but would you, as a Christian, put politics aside, as a Christian man, would you agree that eventually America needs to be a nation that says, There's a penalty for murder for anyone and everyone involved, yes.
Okay, yes, full stop, yes.
And I'm not going to play this greater victim game on the issue of abortion either.
Which is, look, if we're just going to point fingers and everyone's a victim, there's never going to be accountability, then it never stops, right?
There are women out there who have been on their third, fourth, or fifth abortion, right?
And they just want to have sex and they don't want any of the consequences and they will kill their child seven or eight months and they don't care.
It's also the case that when I was at a Planned Parenthood outside in Lakeland in Polk County last month, I was faced with just the stark reality that if a mom walked past me and walked in there and said, you know, on second thought, I would keep the baby if you could just help me out with some baby food and some diapers for the first six weeks, the abortionist would say, no, ma'am, all we offer is murder.
I would keep the baby if I could get some childcare.
My mom lives out of state.
No, all we offer is murder.
I'd keep the baby if I could just have access to postpartum care.
No, all we offer is murder.
That's true.
It happens every single day, but it also does not excuse anyone who goes into that situation willing, knowing that what they're doing is wrong.
If we are serious, and we have to be as Christians, forget Republicans, forget conservatives, if we are serious that abortion is murder because it is, We should treat it no differently than murder.
You know what that means, and I know what that means.
You know what it means.
And so it is murder.
And so to create a double standard for abortion is admitting, is cowering in the face and saying, well, it's actually a hyphenated form of murder.
It is a little asterisk.
It's a different type of murder.
No, it is premeditated, first degree murder.
And yes, I want to help moms.
Yes, I want to help people in that situation.
But I also think about.
They say the root causes.
We're going to get to the root causes of a lot of things.
But you know what?
When a guy is carjacking somebody at gunpoint with a Glock sideways in Miami, we don't have the root causes debate in that moment.
You shoot him dead or you arrest him.
You detain him.
You throw him in prison.
Then we can have a separate cause about the root causes debate.
But in that moment, we have to confront the reality that if despite everything, you still want to knowingly go through with murder, You need to be treated as such.
Full stop.
Amen.
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There are many conservative states.
I mean, like deep red states.
I'm thinking of like Oklahoma.
I'm not even considering Texas to fall into that category, sadly, at this point.
Texas is just about purple.
But states like Oklahoma or a state like North Dakota, where the governors there will brag about the fact that they have abolished, and they'll use that term abolished abortion.
Meanwhile, I have friends, pastors, Who have explored, is this true?
Guys in those states who have used hotlines and websites for abortion pills to be mailed to them at a residence, an address located in that state to their own home, and pills will be mailed.
And I have to admit, sadly, to the shame of my great state of Texas, often the mailing address will say that it comes from Austin, Texas.
That's where the pills are often coming from.
To Oklahoma, to North Dakota, to this place, to that place.
And so taking out these last three, 53 abortion clinics in Florida is incredible.
Godspeed.
But if all these women are still able to mail in pills and they're coming from some other state and they can get it for free on demand with total impunity, my question is is there anything that you would be committed to doing?
To making Florida a sanctuary state for the unborn, not just with procedures and surgery, but also chemically stopping the importing of these abortion pills into your state?
Absolutely.
And I would hold any CEO of any of those mail order abortion companies criminally liable for sending that poison into our state.
We're not going to throw up our hands.
We're sure as heck not going to declare victory when the unborn are being murdered every single day.
In our state, in our country, it's time to start dragging people in.
Look, it's no different if you sent fentanyl across state lines into Florida and that fentanyl killed someone.
It's no different if you sent anthrax.
That's right.
This is a murderous poison.
If you send it and you're the CEO of that company, I'm going to hold you criminally, not civilly, criminally liable.
First degree felony.
You do that, you drag one of those CEOs in and they get arraigned, the whole jig's up.
And that's what I mean.
People say, well, this is all performative.
This is all shock and awe.
Guilty is charged.
It is performative.
It is shock and awe.
I'm trying to do this precisely once.
So, I can deter everyone else.
And we talked earlier during our live show about public execution.
The last public hanging in Florida was in 1924.
You know, life was a lot safer in 1924 than it was in 2024 for a lot of people.
And so, if we're going to be honest about deterrence, yeah, we need to have some performances.
And let's not even let them, and by the way, them is not the left, them in many respects is the establishment losers on the right.
Let's not let them hijack that word performative.
I'm all for performative, so long as it's not rage bait tweeting like some of these House Republicans do and going on Fox News and complaining about AOC and Kamala Harris.
Kamala Harris does not wield any power in our country.
You know, I feel like going into the Fox News green room in Washington, D.C., and sitting across from the congressman, perhaps even one by Ron Donaldson, saying, Is Kamala Harris in the room with us right now?
Why are you so concerned?
And I don't, I say this as probably her least favorite fan.
What, why are we, why is her name even coming out of our mouth?
Why is Barack Obama's name even coming out of our mouth?
Now, Barack Obama should be tried and for sedition, actually.
But Kamala Harris, she was the border czar.
She screwed the whole country up.
She lost.
She was thrown out of power.
To somehow set her up as the foil for the current anarchy, the current system that we have in Washington, D.C., that we just borrowed $5 billion from the communists in China to send it to the Zionists in Israel, we borrowed from our children and grandchildren, Joel, so Israel could have more weapons, even though their own citizens get free.
Healthcare.
They have abortion up until the moment of birth.
And we have to borrow against our future generations to send them weapons.
And so, enough performative, not Fox News, but guess what?
Public hangings?
Sure.
Why wouldn't we want that performance?
High noon on Sunday.
You do that once, it'll never happen again.
You bring in one of those abortion, chemical abortion CEOs from Texas, and you arraign them, you extradite them, that'll never happen again.
Yep.
Yep.
You're right.
Yeah.
It's the law, biblically speaking, is likened to a tutor.
And that's one of the things that we don't realize that it actually is loving to the general populace because every law we have and every law we don't have is teaching the citizens of our country or our state a certain principle.
So when we say, hey, there's no laws for this, what we're teaching as a tutor with that kind of legislation or the absence of it is we're saying, this is actually not immoral.
Correct.
This is actually not wrong.
This is actually not wicked.
In fact, this is not something that God frowns on.
This is something that's at minimum permissible.
And perhaps even an argument could be made that it's virtuous, that it's actually loving, it's actually humane.
It's actually, you want to think so, but it really is some kind of form of compassion in a roundabout way.
That's the law, the civil magistrate, as he seeks to legislate righteous laws, is functioning as a civil father and he is tutoring.
He is teaching, instructing the citizens that God is sovereignly placed under his care.
And so, anyone who is seeking high office in my country as a minister of the gospel, I want to ensure, I want to be as sure as I possibly can that that man is going to be a good civil father, that he's going to be a Christian civil father, and that he's going to be instructing those under his care that Christ is king and that wickedness is wicked, righteousness is righteous.
Isaiah, woe to those who call good evil and evil good.
The civil magistrate, he instructs people, should instruct people properly in terms of righteousness and wickedness, and he does so by legislation.
And so that, call me a fuddy duddy, call me old school.
I am a little old school.
I'm turning 40 years old this year, which is hard to believe.
Who cares deeply for the life of the unborn and abortion is the first conversation that I want to have with a man like you, who's going to be wielding serious, legitimate power in high office.
And so I thank you for being willing to answer those kinds of questions because they absolutely matter.
That said, what do you think is maybe the next top, the number's arbitrary, but let's say three or maybe five issues that are the biggest threats?
To Floridians, aside from abortion?
Well, abortion is certainly the number one cause of death in Florida, as it literally is in every other state.
And, you know, Roe v. Wade was not the end, it was the beginning of rather overturning Roe v. Wade was not the end, it was the beginning of this larger debate.
You know, there's this lie that it gave it back to the states.
It's pretty clear in our Constitution that we cannot deprive people.
Without due process.
Right.
We need to force this issue before the Supreme Court.
That is my goal as governor to bring a case before the Supreme Court that enshrines equal protection for the preborn, essentially a personhood amendment.
Now, I'm so, real quick, I'm so glad you said that because here's the reality, and a lot of Christians aren't ready for this, but I'm just going to be honest.
Dobbs was a better decision, but it was still not in biblical terms, as Christians, a righteous decision.
It was not righteous for the Supreme Court to say abortion is not going to have federal provisions, but each state decides.
No, it's either wicked or it's not.
If it's wicked, then at the federal level, it should have been condemned as such.
It's not a neutral issue.
It's not.
Each state decides.
And here's the thing it's like we keep having all these liberals, and I'm not just talking about people on the left, but people on the right.
They're still liberals, 90% of them.
And they're constantly making arguments from the Constitution in the wrong direction.
They're twisting the Constitution.
They're moving away from authorial intent and all these things that we know historically are true.
If we actually want to use the Constitution, look at the 14th Amendment, right?
You look at the 14th Amendment and we'll use something like that to carve out some sort of provision for first it's DEI and you make it about race.
And then all of a sudden, you know, the LGBT mafia comes along and they're like, Oh, well, you know, race, that's kind of like us.
It's like, how is that like you?
How are these immutable characteristics?
Well, that's actually the 14th Amendment, you know, had us in mind and our lifestyle choices and this and that.
So, we have certain provisions.
But if there's anything that's actually rooted in the 14th Amendment at all, it would be the unborn.
It would be the life of human beings.
When I think of an entire class of people that have virtually no rights in these United States of America, it's not blacks, it's not Hispanics, it's not gays, it's the unborn.
They're the ones who I believe should have a constitutional.
Protection.
And I think that it's incumbent upon the Supreme Court to make that argument.
It's not just pass the buck to this blue state and this red state.
It's almost like Pontius Pilate, like, I'm not really responsible.
And he washes his hands of the decision of whether or not to crucify our Lord.
And we could argue from scripture that the Jews at that time were the ones who pushed for it.
But the Bible's also clear that Pontius Pilate was guilty as well.
They could not, they, you know.
The religious Jews at that time absolutely were conniving and scheming for how to murder the Lord of glory.
We know this.
The Bible says this.
But at the same time, they knew that they could not accomplish this legally.
The Romans had to be the ones ultimately to make the decision.
And so they pushed Pilate, who was up for reelection as a politician in typical fashion, and he didn't really want to be guilty of it.
He knew there's something different about this Jesus guy.
His own wife is having visions from the Lord, like, don't do it, husband.
You do not want this man's blood on your hands.
There's something special about this guy.
And Pilate made a kind of Supreme Court decision.
Well, I'll absolve myself, but I won't save his life.
I won't put my neck out.
I won't risk the backlash from the general public.
And I feel like that's kind of the decision that Dobbs represents.
It's a Pontius Pilate decision.
In regards to the life of the unborn, would you agree with that?
I wouldn't.
And it's tragic yet brilliant the way you framed that because that's exactly what it is.
We can't just sit here and say, well, murder has been given to the states, right?
So let the states continue to sanction the murder of the unborn.
Absolutely not.
The 14th Amendment, we don't need any new laws.
The 14th Amendment gives us everything that we need right now.
If you have a courageous, brave governor, I don't want to detail too much.
But I'm taking nothing off the table.
The 14th Amendment makes it very clear that I, as governor, would have the legal authority to do whatever it takes to stop the murder of the preborn, the unborn in my state.
And I will exhaust no option.
I will do whatever it takes.
And believe me, Joel, it will work.
Amen.
And just one more time for the record, because we need you to win.
We need you to, we want to be righteous.
Absolutely.
Zero compromise.
But at the same time, we also want to be innocent as doves, shrewd as serpents.
We want to be cunning.
We want to be wise.
Um, Just so that the listener understands, no one, even from a biblical perspective, is talking about enacting new laws that retroactively reach back and apply to a woman who's now 50 years old, who in her 20s made this horrendous decision that she's been wrestling with guilt for the last three decades over.
We're not talking about that.
We're talking about deterring future murder.
That's exactly right.
Praying For Women To Rise00:11:16
What's happened has happened.
As wicked as it is, as atrocious as it is, But it's done.
We cannot go back and save the lives of those who've already been lost.
We can't.
Even the scripture talks about 1 John says, There is a sin that leads to death.
I am not saying that anyone should pray for that.
Meaning that there's a biblical argument to be made for not praying for the dead, right?
So I remember with Charlie Kirk with the assassination.
Before we knew, immediately my prayer, we went live on air and immediately we're praying, God, save his life.
Please heal him.
Spare him.
The moment that it was announced and it was definitive that Charlie Kirk had died, the prayer shifted to, Lord, save the country.
Lord, be with his loved ones.
Comfort them.
Console them.
Because Charlie's dead.
And we're no longer praying, you know, God, would you do this with Charlie or would you do that with Charlie?
And so, in the same way with our prayers, so too with our legislation, we're not retroactively trying to go back and right wrongs that have already occurred.
The wrong is there.
As tragic as it is, it's done.
But what we are trying to do is to make sure that it doesn't continue perpetually with impunity.
That's what we're trying to do.
So, I just want to clarify that.
No, that's right.
And we should pray for the women.
who continue to struggle with the regret that will plague them, that will afflict them for the rest of their lives.
And I've met these women as I've traveled the state.
It's heartbreaking.
It truly is.
Because in some sense, they knew what they were doing, but in another sense, they didn't.
The real victim, of course, is that child who will never know what life on earth is.
That child is with our Lord and Savior now.
And we have to Punish bad behavior and reward good behavior.
It's really that simple.
I mean, we go back to the OnlyFans syntax that I was privileged to announce with you.
Syntax, ho tax.
I've heard it both ways.
Sneeko and Clavicular call it the ho tax.
Yeah, I think I'm trying to win an election.
Yeah, I think that both ways are accurate, but you trying to win an election is pretty understandable.
Well, I think it's actually a very, if you want to get into the nuance of both of those two, why wouldn't I call it a ho tax?
Well, one's biblical.
Right.
And so I wouldn't call it a ho tax because One, I think it's actually degrading of women.
And I don't think we're called to do that as Christians, even if women are participating in degenerate, degrading behavior, that you're not irreparably condemned for that behavior.
You are called to repent for that behavior.
And so my issue has never been women who have struggled with that.
It has been an industry, a platform that has exploited women, has spread the slander.
No, don't be a stay-at-home mom.
No, don't go work.
No, don't go raise your kids.
Sell nude images of yourself on the internet.
I'll be, and I've already had a number of conversations with ex-OnlyFans creators who have broke down crying, telling me what it was like to have to read messages from sick men, to have to feel like this was the only way out.
And what I would say is, I don't wish this on anyone.
If you're a woman in my state or anywhere in the country who is struggling, who feels like this is the only way they can make money, we're going to be there for you, but we need you to stop.
And when you say we need to make new laws, I'm with you 100%.
Now, some laws are going to carry the penalty of felonies of law, of incarceration, of enforcement.
Now, the truth is, is that I'm a practical guy.
The way that the Supreme Court today has read the First Amendment, you and I disagree with that, but that protects the production and consumption of obscene pornography.
That's just the way it is.
So instead of bickering and re-litigating First Amendment case law, why don't we be shrewd and say, how can we accomplish that same end Without being struck down by a federal judge within 48 hours.
Well, let's do what shrewd businessmen do every single day.
If you want to incentivize behavior, you want to encourage something to happen, you lower the cost of it.
If you want to discourage, disincentivize, you raise the cost.
And perhaps the cost that the government controls better than any is a tax.
I'm not going to be one of those stupid Republicans who's going to swear some pledge that I will never raise taxes under any circumstances.
You know, George H.W. Bush, read my lips.
Read my lips, I'm never going to raise taxes on Florida residents.
But why would I rule out raising taxes on degenerate filth in my state that corrupts, exploits, commodifies, and objectifies women when I can create something more meaningful for them, for them to tap into their God given potential, their greatness, to become moms, to become leaders in their families, to live up to their biblical calling?
Why wouldn't I do that?
And you know what's funny?
We've heard in this campaign since we launched this policy about a month ago.
I think some on the establishment right have written it off as a gimmick, have written it off as a joke.
No, the sick joke is that 19 year old girls are selling nude videos of themselves bent over backwards on the internet.
They'll be on the internet forever.
They will prevent them from having a real relationship with a man, settling down, having kids.
Men will be drawn into the sin of lust.
And torn, not just from their relationship, but from their relationship with the Lord by consuming that kind of contact.
And we got to fix it.
Yep.
And so you have to de incentivize.
You're absolutely right.
So tax the hell, quite literally, tax the hell.
Taxed into oblivion.
And what I've said is that, well, they said.
But also incentivize.
Like one of the things, these women would not be choosing that lifestyle.
Many of them, some would.
Some really are just degenerate.
And we pray that God would change.
I think that's the minority of them, just having conversations.
Yeah.
I think we pray that for those that God would change them and they need the gospel of Jesus Christ.
They need to be born again.
They need to be converted.
But for very, very many others, it's kind of both ends.
So you said like you have to de incentivize, but you also have to incentivize.
So over here, tax the hell out of OnlyFans.
Over here, on the other hand, what if you can make it possible for a young man to feel like he could get married and afford to do so?
And so now all these young women have as an alternative, Marriage, family, motherhood, right?
Part of the problem is it's on both sides of the aisle.
It's the women being able to just turn on a webcam and get paid.
But it's also these women don't have suitors.
And part of the reason they don't have suitors is because, on the one hand, the men are able to get their sexual fix and satiate their lust, that biological desire.
Right.
By looking at OnlyFans.
Also, these men don't feel like marriage is available to them because marriage is costly.
And I mean, literally, dollar and cents economically costly.
And they feel like, I can't afford a home.
I can't afford children.
I can't afford a family.
And so, if you could make somehow incentivize marriage and family, home prices, these kinds of things, on the one hand, good paying jobs, right?
Then the women would be looking, okay, I can do the webcam.
And let's be honest, like it's only a few individuals on OnlyFans that are making tons of money.
The majority of them are making 50 bucks.
You know, a month.
And people say that as a.
And losing their dignity.
And losing their dignity, their self worth, their respect, their ability.
I mean, can you imagine?
And if marriage was an alternative, they pick that every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
And every single day of the week.
And it's actually perhaps even most sickening because it's the women who are going to make $200 a month.
They're going to have the same social repercussions as a porn star for $200.
And so, what I'm saying is You can sell your soul for $50 a month or for $50 million.
But in both scenarios, you've sold your soul.
You've precluded yourself from having a real relationship with your God fearing man.
The proliferation, we haven't truly understood.
Because it hasn't happened ever in history, we're going to fast forward 10, 15 years from now.
The women, the tens of thousands of women in my state alone who are doing OnlyFans, they don't have kids yet.
When their kids are teenagers in 10 or 15 years, and these images are everywhere, we've never had a society where that many women were selling nude images that are going to be on the internet forever.
I mean, I to this day don't even know a porn star that I personally know.
Now, you go to a high school, And they will tell you, or a college, and they will tell you, I can think of five or six girls from high school who are now on OnlyFans.
Right.
So that's such a foreign concept.
Growing up, I'm a nineties kid.
The idea that I would know somebody who did porn, I still don't know anybody personally in my life who went down that path.
But that is not the case today for young people.
And so we don't really know the true societal impact of this.
We won't know for another decade or so.
My idea is to get ahead of that.
Like, well, why don't you just outlaw it entirely?
Because I knew how to read the First Amendment, and more importantly, know how to read the court's interpretation of the First Amendment.
Would I love to outlaw pornography and get the entire Supreme Court to side with me?
Of course.
But it's time to get real.
You said this in your opening monologue.
A W is a W, Joel.
A W is a W. Let's stop trying to let perfect be the enemy of good, right?
Let's collapse this thing by 97, 98%.
There are going to be some women who are going to be steadfast.
Perhaps Sophie Raine is one of them.
She's a Florida resident.
She makes $100 million doing OnlyFans.
If she wants to keep down this path, fine by me.
Sad, but fine by me.
It's 50%, $50 million a year.
And I'll use that money to do what Michelle Obama never could bring herself to do, which is to improve our school lunches for our kids.
No more slop in our cafeterias.
Let's have a good, quality, nutritious lunch for our kids.
And let's raise teacher pay for the great teachers, especially in our rural school districts in Florida.
My hope, though, is that the OnlyFans syntax will raise far less revenue than any of us expect for the very simple reason that if we're not raising that revenue, It's because women have thrown in the towel on degeneracy, have picked themselves up and said, I am better than this.
I can be someone so much more than what I've allowed the OnlyFans founders and owners to convince me that I can believe.
And if we do that, if we can just change one woman, quite literally, if one woman says, I am done with this and tells her story, we can inspire an entire generation.
That's the kind of cultural change that I wish for as governor.
Becoming Sons Of Light00:03:00
Amen.
Great.
Abortion?
The syntax, putting a stop to these things, being as innocent as doves, shrewd as serpents, no more lip service.
You can say the right things, and it is right.
But a lot of guys just don't have a plan.
They say, Well, we're going to do this.
It's like, Yeah, but let's be honest, you're not.
You're not going to do it.
You don't know how to get that done.
You are right.
You are right in the objective category.
On biblical grounds, this is true.
This actually should be.
Criminalized this, but because we are so far off the rails here in these United States of America, we are going.
Jesus says this.
He tells a parable.
And at the end, he concludes by saying, The sons of darkness are more crafty or shrewd than the sons of light.
And he's saying it as an indictment, saying, It should not be so.
Why is it that those who conspire towards doing evil are more strategic, more cunning, more shrewd than those who are the sons of light?
Right now, we are up against incredible odds.
America, in large part, has apostatized against the Lord Jesus Christ.
We have abandoned our Christian heritage, and the stage has been set for wickedness to thrive and for righteousness to be pushed back into the corners, ostracized into the shadows.
And the sons of light, if we're going to win, it can't just be purity, it can be nothing less.
So I'm not arguing for anything less than purity of heart.
But it also has to be brilliance, intellect, cunning, wise.
And I look at you and I think, this is a guy who I actually think can get things done because he's going to be conniving in a righteous manner.
And that's what we need right now.
We need the sons of light, the sons of the kingdom, to be not just equally shrewd to those who have been our enemies for decades now.
Who have made the mess that we're now in as a nation.
But we need the sons of light, pound for pound, to be able to outwork them, be able to out strategize, out scheme at every single angle.
So, this, well, we have this provision.
We're shutting it down over here.
Oh, no, I didn't even see that coming.
At every single level, we have to be able to outweigh and out plan our enemy.
And I see that potential in you.
I'm hopeful.
I'm prayerful.
And if I was in Florida, you would absolutely have.
My vote.
So, thank you for coming on the show.
This is our first episode.
This is going to be a multi part series, and I'm excited for what's in store next.