James Talarico is dissected as a "raging leftist" and "Christian nationalist" who allegedly twists scripture to support progressive agendas like abortion and transgender rights, deceiving evangelical voters in Texas. The hosts argue this "gay Christian nationalism" co-opts historic terminology while expressing hatred toward white conservatives, contrasting it with traditional faith. They assert religion inevitably returns to politics, offering a choice between fake progressivism and true historic Christianity, while advising viewers on navigating seminary credentials versus ideological integrity amidst the post-2020 cultural shift. [Automatically generated summary]
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Perverting Scripture for Communism00:02:07
There are interpretations of certain passages from the Torah where some folks will even say that there is some subtle instructions for how to perform an abortion in the ancient world, certain things to drink.
For me, prophetic voices like Jesus have helped me reckon with my own whiteness, my own masculinity, my own certainty, my own ego.
It's a never ending process and it's a painful process.
Today we're doing a deep dive on James Tallarico.
If you're not familiar, he is a rising star in the Democratic.
Political party, and he is a raging leftist.
The dude is straight up a communist.
He is pro abortion.
He's pro LGBT mafia.
He's even pro transgenderism in the case of young children.
But here's an angle perhaps you haven't considered.
He's also, believe it or not, a Christian nationalist.
No, he's not a fascist.
No, he's not on the right wing.
He is a Christian nationalist because at the end of the day, here's the deal it's not whether, but which.
It's not whether we're going to get a Christian nationalist, it's which kind of Christian nationalist.
Will we actually get?
Notice this.
James Tallarico, despite all his leftist communism, is constantly in his politics making appeals to spiritual authority.
He is using Christianity, historic traditional Christianity, no way.
But Christianity, some perverted form of it, nevertheless.
Just like Satan, he is using scripture, but twisting and tweaking and perverting it to support his communist agenda.
This is a guy who believes that the Bible, that the Christian faith, Should ultimately govern our politics.
The problem is that his Christian faith is not the historic Christian faith.
His Christian faith is Satan's Christian faith, quoting scripture to God himself, Jesus in the wilderness, as Satan seeks to tempt him, but perverting and twisting every verse in the Bible, taking it out of context to meet an end that is perverse and destructive.
Radical Christian Political Strategy00:14:15
That's our episode today.
We're bringing receipts, we're showing clips.
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Radical Christian nationalist pastor, Joel Webbin.
Joel Webbin.
I want to talk about Joel Webbin.
One of us,
one of us Hey!
Radical Christian nationalist James Tallarico.
Radical Christian nationalist.
Presbyterian seminary educated candidate for Senate.
He's our guy.
We've got a Christian nationalist appealing to biblical authority.
He's in the town square.
He's appealing to Presbyterians in the town square.
A reform guy on Joe Rogan.
Beautiful.
We are so back.
We are so back.
And I just want to say, because I really want this guy to win, he seems like exactly.
The kind of person who should be in charge of the country.
So I want to just go on record and say Joel Webbin, friendly, moderate, centrist Joel Webbin, officially endorses, and I want this to go viral.
I officially endorse James Tallarico for any position, make him king.
I mean, he is such a great guy.
We are in his corner, we're rooting for him.
This guy needs to win the election.
He has my endorsement 100%.
I think that'll help his candidacy for sure.
Oh, yeah.
You're in his court.
What could go wrong?
What could go wrong?
James Tellerico, he just won the primary, so we're not yet to the midterms where voters will actually go out and decide between the Democrat or the Republican candidate for Senate in the United States.
On the Republican side of things, it's going to a runoff.
John Cornyn versus Ken Paxton.
That's on the Republican side of things.
But the Democrats have already chosen their nominee.
He ran against Jasmine Crockett.
Jasmine Crockett was a representative representing Houston, Texas, a black woman.
It's great to see.
Wait, he ran as a Democrat?
Yeah, he ran.
That's crazy.
He's like, this is news to me.
He ran as a Democrat.
Now, I will say, I mean, he's ticking all the boxes.
This dude is Presbyterian trained.
He's a Protestant.
He's a white man who just beat a black woman.
He's a Christian nationalist appealing to spiritual claims of authority on abortion, on transgender issues, on the border.
He's invoking God's law.
Well, here's the deal the real reason he probably won.
Texas is still, despite the efforts of those who hate it, it is 67% Christian.
That's 27% evangelical Protestant.
10% mainline Protestant, the historically black Protestant is 5%, and 22% Catholic.
So 67% Christian in Texas.
And of course, that's very nominal.
Some of those are names on rolls that have never actually gone to church.
But within that, you could say reliably 30%, 40% of Texas is tried in blue, dyed in the wool Christians that go to church, whether it be a cowboy church, whether it be a mega church, whether it be Catholic.
They're Christian, and they go to church on Sunday.
And if you're going to win an election, here's the point.
If you're going to win an election, you're going to have to appeal to them.
Now, Texas is also majority actually Hispanic, so that's coming in as of the last census.
It's about 41%.
Non Hispanic white is about 40%.
So I won't necessarily say that Texas is also majority evangelical and majority white, but Hispanics do typically, religious Hispanics, do also tend to invoke religion when it comes to politics.
Generally skew more conservative than, for example, blacks and Jews when it comes to voting patterns.
So if you're here in Texas and you want to send up a senator to the Senate, you're going to have to appeal to Christians.
You're going to have to appeal to To evangelicals and the Democrat Party, if you've been kind of the tail of the tape, you're going to also have to appeal to Indians.
Let's be honest.
At this point, and here's the thing that is so recent.
Texas is over one, whether you go to Frisco or Irving or down here in Austin.
But guys, that just happened the last two to three years.
People haven't even grasped the scale of it yet, what happened under Joe Biden.
So you have to appeal to evangelicals.
Soon you're going to have to appeal to Indians.
I mean, Greg Abbott, honestly, he was like, time to get ahead of the curve.
We're celebrating Dwali.
I know my electorate.
I can see how the future's going.
But James Tellerico, The Senate, the Democrats have had a real problem.
And the problem has been, let's just be honest, minority women.
They've run Kamala Harris.
Obviously, they ran Hillary Clinton in 2016.
Jasmine Crockett, whatever it would be, here's the deal.
Running foreigners, it's not working out really well.
It just hasn't.
The only one who beat Donald Trump in a general election was a Catholic, Joe Biden, a white Catholic man.
And so those are the demographics that honestly, they're not going to win the interest groups, right?
The DEI focus group poll.
But when it comes to the main election, the general election, foreigners, they're not really polling very well.
Now, so that represents a pivot in strategy.
When it comes to foreigners, let's be honest, they typically wear their affections on their sleeves.
I think of the Somalians up in the Midwest, the northern Midwest.
They have explicitly said, hey, we are here to establish Little Somalia.
We are doing this on behalf of Somalians back home in Somalia.
We don't need a Manhattan Institute think tank of interns working 40 hours a week.
What did they mean by this?
So there are Somalians here, and they've stated their goal is to benefit and send money to Somalians here.
This is an interesting strategy.
What could they be getting at?
No, they're foreigners.
They're not Americans.
They prioritize other people that they're related to that are not Americans.
So that strategy, it's not working.
It hasn't worked recently, the last five to 10 years, and it's kind of obvious.
The play is kind of there.
The sentiment has kind of turned.
But James Tellerico could really be the next play, the new play, the new way to take this group of evangelicals, majority white, and grab their vote.
James Tellerico is from right here.
South Round Rock is where he was born and grew up.
He's the son of a single mother, went to Austin Presbyterian.
Seminary.
So he went to seminary.
He's seminary trained and he served four terms in the Texas House of Representatives.
He did that after walking the entire district by foot.
The person resigned that originally held the seat.
He took it.
And so he's been a very progressive representative in the Texas House.
Now, the Texas House is pretty overwhelmingly Republican.
That's not to say it's actually conservative because the Texas House is a joke for the most part.
It is a joke.
We got rid of Ken Paxton.
Oh, never mind.
We did not.
But he did not.
He still lost.
He still lost.
That's encouraging.
He's going to a runoff where, again, Trump is expected to endorse.
It was so close.
Yeah, nobody got victories.
Yeah, you're right.
But Trump is expected to endorse John Cornyn, who is pathetic, who is a joke.
And so Cornyn will probably win.
Paxton, who has been.
Paxton likes to put lawsuits in and kind of act like he won because he filed the paperwork, but he has been a strong conservative voice.
He's gone after porn companies here.
He's gone after transgenderism.
He's gone after those things and he's been good.
Again, some of that is I filed the paperwork.
We're filing a lawsuit.
Hear me roar.
But.
He's going and he tried to run a Senate race and win, and he's probably not going to because Trump is going to throw his ballot in with John Cornyn in that race.
But in the Texas House, Tyler Rico is now pivoted over, and he will be the nominee, whether it be against Paxton or Cornyn, probably Cornyn, to run for the United States Senate as Democrats try to actually get back.
The House will probably win in the midterms, especially after this war, which is rumored to go until September at this point.
The White House has come out and said this war could last until September.
12 hours, four days, four weeks, 12 months to slow the spread.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so you need to be, and the reason I'll say this the reason James Tellerico will potentially be successful, the reason he'll be popular is because he appeals to evangelicals who don't know their Bible.
That's right.
That's why, if he wins, he will win.
He appeals to dumb, low information evangelicals who have opted out, who go for the rhetoric, who go for the appearance, the thought, the idea of niceness.
Yeah, he's one of them.
Compassionate.
Exactly.
Low information evangelicals are who they're targeting, and if he wins, it will be because he successfully pulled the wool.
Over their eyes, yeah.
It's a lot like the Beto Rourke candidacy, but it's like it's almost like they looked at that and they said, Okay, focus group Beto, he was close.
What if we just sprinkle a little Christianity and run the same candidate?
He's well spoken, he's credentialed, right?
He's got his MDiv and he went to Harvard and he's local, he's a pastor.
And so, this is something we've seen.
You could point to Beto O'Rourke, you could point to Pete Buttigieg, but it's all kind of the same candidate.
It's like, let's use, well, one, let's use the youth.
Let's make him fast talking, let's make him more or less intelligent, and let's let him sprinkle his little.
Liberal Christian view here and there to like buttress up, hey, you know, conservatives listen to this.
And they're like, hey, that's not a bad argument from the Bible.
And that's the point that we're trying to make in today's episode you need to understand, as a Christian, if you're listening to this broadcast, you're a Christian, you believe that Christ is king, you need to understand that all the Christian jargon that he's using, he's not doing it because he thinks it's a liability, right?
He's not saying, man, I really want to win as a Democrat with all of the, you know, Christian haters in Texas as my base, you know, and but I'm, you know, I'm gonna sprinkle in some of this Christian stuff.
I know that it'll hurt my chances, but I really believe it.
And so I'm gonna try to win despite using Christian language.
No, he's trying to win because of the Christian language.
He knows that he can't win in Texas unless he feigns Christianity.
So he's not doing this as a profound conviction, knowing that it will hurt his chances, but trying to win despite that.
No, he's doing it because he knows that it helps his chances.
If you listen to this broadcast, you know the things that he's saying aren't true to the Bible.
You know that these things are not actually Christian.
You're aware of that.
But our point in today's broadcast is to make you aware of how many nominal Christians there actually are in this country and how many there are in the state of Texas that they will hear this kind of lingo from James Tallarico, quoting the scripture over there and then quoting some.
Random thing from the Torah over here, and it might work.
It actually might work.
So, biblical illiteracy is at an all time high, and it is a massive, massive liability that we need to be aware of.
And so, we're going to be taking some of James's arguments today on the show, showing you clips, bringing receipts, and actually breaking them down and dismantling them, debunking them in real time on this episode.
Let's go right into it.
I'm going to roll four clips.
It's going to be out six.
About six minutes.
If you are driving, I just pull the car over.
You are not going to be able to hear this, the amount of gayness going on in one ear and focus on the road.
You're going to cause an accident.
So pull the car over, get into Chuck E. Cheese's parking lot.
As a wise man once said, Ricky Bobby, I'm getting dizzy from all the gayness.
You're going to watch these clips and you're going to be like, oh my goodness, I need to lay down.
It's gay.
You've been warned, we're not responsible.
Let's roll the clips.
Treat our southern border like our front porch.
We should have a giant welcome mat out front and we should have a lock on the door.
Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
You have a right to know who's coming into your house, and you should be welcoming the stranger into your home and providing that hospital.
In committee, I listened to 15 hours of testimony on this bill.
The worst part for me was the number of Christians who used scripture to justify hurting children.
Even on this floor today, a member tried to justify a hateful amendment in the name of God's law.
So let's talk about that.
The first two lines of the Bible, the first two lines in Genesis, use two different Hebrew words to describe God.
God's Masculine and Feminine Nature00:14:48
One is the masculine Hebrew noun for divinity, the second is the feminine Hebrew noun for spirit.
God is both masculine and feminine and everything in between.
God is non binary.
In Genesis 1 26, God speaks of God's self in the plural, saying, Let us make human beings in our image to be like us.
That's the infinite multitude of God the masculine, the feminine, and everything in between.
Trans children are God's children.
Made in God's own image.
There's nothing wrong with them.
Nothing at all.
They are perfect.
They are beautiful.
And they are sacred.
How do you think about the competing claims of different religions?
Do you believe Christianity to be more true than other religions?
Do you believe there to be exclusivity in these beliefs, that they're incompatible with each other?
I believe Christianity points to the truth.
I also think other religions of love point to the same truth.
I think of different religious traditions as different languages.
So, you and I could sit here and debate what to call this cup, and you could call it a cup in English, you'd call it something else in Spanish and French, but we are all talking about the same reality.
I believe Jesus Christ reveals that reality to us, but I also think that other traditions reveal that reality in their own ways with their own symbol structures.
And I've learned more about my tradition by learning more about Buddhism and Hinduism and Islam and Judaism.
And so, I see these beautiful faith traditions as circling the same truth about the universe, about the cosmos.
And that truth is inherently a mystery.
And I think the most destructive thing is when religion becomes an end in and of itself.
That's when religion implodes.
My pastor always told me growing up that religious symbols are like aspirin.
In order to work, they have to dissolve, they point beyond themselves.
If you get lost in the symbols, if you get lost in the words, you're missing the reality that we're all trying to describe and talk about.
But I say all this in terms of, in context of abortion, because before God comes over Mary, And we have the incarnation, God asks for Mary's consent, which is remarkable.
I mean, go back and read this in Luke.
I mean, the angel comes down and asks Mary if this is something she wants to do.
And she says, if it is God's will, let it be done.
Let it be.
Let it happen.
So to me, that is an affirmation in one of our most central stories that creation has to be done with consent.
You cannot force someone to create.
Creation is one of the most sacred acts that.
That we engage in as human beings, but that has to be done with consent.
It has to be done with freedom.
And to me, that is absolutely consistent with the ministry and life and death of Jesus.
And so that's how I come down on that side of the issue.
Yeah, this dude is a snake, absolute snake.
Creation has to be done with consent.
That's insane.
I didn't give my consent in order to be made, right?
None of us gave our consent before we were born, before we conceived.
Adam didn't give his consent.
In the garden, it's not as though the particles of dust of the ground were crying out and saying, Yes, please turn us into a human being.
Adam didn't give his consent, Eve didn't give her consent, the angels did not give their consent.
All this is absolute madness.
2015 cold, and they want their theological liberal talking points back.
I thought we were done with this.
Honestly, it angers me because it's rank heresy.
Rank heresy.
Put the politics aside for a moment.
This dude is not just going to potentially win an election and destroy people politically, economically, nationally, but he is literally leading people eternally to hell.
He is theologically twisting the word of God like Satan did in the wilderness.
Remember, Satan used scripture.
Satan didn't come and challenge the authority of the Bible.
It is, and this is not an exaggeration at all.
You need to see this.
I understand that everybody calls everything demonic these days and then gets paid by some organization for saying it about Candace Owens.
That one's for free.
I'll throw that out there.
If you didn't see that, Cat Turd and all these different people coming out, like Candace is demonic.
Candace is demonic, all on the same day.
And then it came out the receipts that they were actually paid to post something about her being demonic.
So I understand the word demonic has been overused.
That's the point that I'm making.
Here's the deal, though.
There is nothing that is more demonic, more satanic, if I could be a little bit more specific.
Not just some underling, hireling, you know, working for Satan, but the top dog, the dark lord himself.
It is truly, in the technical sense of the word, satanic when somebody is not just trying to dismantle the Bible, right?
What Satan did with Jesus when he was led after his baptism by the Spirit into the wilderness to fast for 40 days and 40 nights, and then at his weakest Point to be tempted by the tempter, by Satan himself.
Satan doesn't come to Jesus and say, Hey, look, I know that it's written in the Word of God X, Y, and Z, but I'm telling you that the Word of God bears no moral authority.
And I'm telling you that my Word is superior to God's Word.
I'm going to challenge the authenticity of the Word of God, the authority of the Word of God, the legitimacy, accuracy of the Word of God by inserting my Word over and against God's Word.
That is not the strategy.
That Satan employed.
Satan didn't come and contest the word of God by saying that his word was superior.
No, he actually used, right?
Satan will go with the grain.
He will go with the culture.
He will go with, or at least seemingly in terms of the thin veneer of optics and appearances, he will attempt to go with God in order to deceive us and get us ultimately to decide something against God.
So Satan doesn't say, well, God's word says blank, but I'm telling you this other thing that's directly contradictory.
What is the strategy, the tactic of Satan?
We know this.
The tactic of Satan, as he's seeking to tempt Jesus in the wilderness, is to use the Word of God verbatim.
He's quoting the Scripture.
Satan knows the Bible, evangelical, better than you do.
He knows the Word of God.
He knows the Scripture.
He's able to quote it, he has it memorized.
But the problem is that Satan is using the Word of God, not directly going against it.
That's too obvious.
He's subtle.
He's subversive.
He's using the word of God verbatim, but taking the word of God in isolation, right?
He's removing and stripping scripture from its overall proper context in order to make something that God really did, in fact, say seem as though it's directing us somewhere else.
That's the tactic of Satan.
That is the tactic of James Tallarico.
Let me also say why this is so bad.
That clip about abortion is on Joe Rogan's podcast.
Joe Rogan, he said this on his podcast himself.
I know people personally that have seen him.
He is weekly attending a relatively faithful church in Austin, Texas.
So, he's been exploring religion now at this point for multiple years.
He's been going to church and he's trying to grapple with all these pieces as someone who didn't grow up in the faith.
And so he has James on, and James is sitting there using the Bible, manipulating it, twisting it to a baby Christian, or at the very least, someone who is in the stages of being drawn by God and subverting and lulling him to sleep.
So, instead of saying Joe Rogan, the largest podcast ever, millions of people that listen to it.
That's why it's so wicked.
This is not even just, and it would be destructive to teach your family this or to go to your PCA church, which, first of all, let's be honest, Average age is about 70.
Average attendance, about seven.
Like it would be evil and wicked and a perversion of God's flock and wicked to do it in that context.
But he's going to a potential baby Christian or someone in the process of being drawn on one of the biggest platforms there are and twisting and manipulating scripture like that.
It's one of the most high handed degrees of sin and wickedness I've ever seen.
It truly is in every sense of the word.
I think it's the most technically accurate word to use.
It is satanic.
It is following the exact playbook, tactic, strategy of Satan himself.
It makes me think of John chapter 8 when Jesus is speaking to the Pharisees who also used the words of Moses.
These are God's words.
God spoke through the prophet Moses and the Pharisees, Sadducees, religious lawyers, and rulers in Israel at the time.
All these Jewish leaders, they're not saying the scripture says, you know, blankety blank blank blank, and then misquoting it, you know, directly in a way that is an Obvious fashion.
Instead, they're using God's word spoken through Moses, stripped of its context in isolation, in order to pervert God's intended meaning, right?
So they actually quote God's words, but they convey a separate, contradictory meaning.
And Jesus says to them, He says, Look, you're not children of Abraham.
You're not even children of God.
Because here's the thing about children children always bear a stark, Resemblance to their father.
If you were children of Abraham, then you would do what your father, alleged father Abraham, did.
He saw my day prophetically in a messianic sense, looking down the corridors of time because of the messianic prophecies given to Abraham before the incarnation of Jesus.
Abraham knew that the Messiah would come and he looked forward to the promised Messiah, Jesus himself, and welcomed me with gladness.
So if you were like Abraham, You would be doing if you were his children, then if Abraham was your father, you would look like him, you would be welcoming me.
If you were like God, then you would be like God, right?
If he was actually your father, you'd be doing the things that God does.
Instead, you bear a remarkable resemblance to your actual father, who is the devil.
He was a murderer from the beginning.
Here you are trying to falsely accuse me so that you can murder me.
Spoiler alert they were successful.
The Jews actually held a mock trial in the middle of the night, a kangaroo court produced false witnesses.
Handed him over to Pontius Pilate.
Pontius Pilate didn't want to kill Jesus.
He's still responsible, but he didn't want to kill Jesus.
His wife was given a vision.
Don't have anything to do with this man.
This is an innocent man.
Pilate tried to bait the Jews by saying, Hey, you know, there's Barabbas here.
I'm going to let one prisoner go free.
You should choose Jesus.
He hasn't hurt anyone, he's not a threat to society.
Barabbas, on the other hand, he's a monster.
And yet the Jews start to.
To go around the religious rulers giving bribes and stir up the crowd to say, Give us Barabbas, set him free.
Okay, well, then what do I do with Jesus?
Crucify him, crucify him.
Let his blood be on us and our children, right?
That's what they did.
They were murderers from the beginning.
This is what Jesus says to these Jewish religious rulers in John chapter 8.
He says, You're not children of Abraham because you don't look anything like him.
You're not children of God because you don't look anything like him.
You are children of your true father, the devil, Satan, because you bear his resemblance.
He was a murderer.
Here you are trying to murder me.
When he lies, he speaks his native language.
Tongue, he's a liar from the beginning.
Here you are, bearing false witness and lying about me.
James Tallarico, likewise, is a son of Satan.
That's not hyperbole, that's not an exaggeration.
He is a son of Satan because he bears the resemblance of his father.
He is using the word of God, not directly going against it, but rather going with the grain, using the word of God, but twisting not its words, not its content in a direct fashion, but its meaning.
He's using the word of God but twisting its meaning.
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Gay Christian Nationalism Rising00:16:04
All right.
One of the things James Tallarico has been outspoken about is Christian nationalism.
He hates this idea of Christian nationalism that has an assertive Christian vision for the state.
You heard him talking about all religions kind of really lead home.
But what I find so profoundly contradictory as we were preparing for this episode is that James Tallarico is an obstinate Christian nationalist.
He believes in a nation, he believes in a people, he believes in government and in politics.
He's in it.
He literally does.
So he believes in a form of a body politic.
And he believes.
Christianity should inform that.
At its most basic level, we would say, What is Christian nationalism?
Give it to me in a sentence.
The civil government should promote true religion.
The civil government, the body politic, your federal government at some level should promote, should push towards, and orient the people of the Commonwealth towards the true religion.
James Tellerico completely believes that.
He is completely a Christian nationalist.
Here's the difference, though.
What angle is he taking?
So, the true religion, what is his true religion?
It is the religion of progressive Christianity.
Someone could come to us and say, okay, Joel, you're a minister, and James, you're a minister.
What makes your interpretation of The Magnificat, the extol, when Mary extols the goodness of God.
What makes your interpretation of the Levitical law?
Your interpretation of Genesis 1, you're both ministers.
Who's to say that his interpretation isn't better than yours?
Consensus, and not just consensus in this present hour, but consensus over time.
In the very early church, there was a document called the Didache, and the Didache was instructions for early Christian converts.
One of the earliest moral instructions that we have was against abortion.
The witness all throughout church history, especially in Catholicism for sure, in Protestantism, in the early church, in the early church fathers, not a single one of them.
I cannot think, I cannot even fathom, besides heretical sects that were very tiny, ever in Christian history, did anyone advocate for abortion?
Transgenderism, this one is so obvious.
It is so recent.
It's very clearly pushed at the behest of doctors and corporations that stand to make billions and billions of dollars.
You know, in the 90s, there was this huge push for, um, It was a bulimia and anorexia.
These are really big body dysmorphic movements and fads that went on.
And doctors were having girls come in and they're like, I'm binge eating, but then purging myself.
And they're 95 pounds dripping wet.
Well, here's the difference.
Back then, doctors said, Go home and eat a cheeseburger.
Well, as it turns out, there's not much money to be made from bulimia and anorexia.
Here was the difference with this one kids were coming into the studio, they were coming into the clinic.
They're saying, and a lot of it, they've been informed, their parents had reinforced this idea.
Maybe with young boys, they'd watched a lot of pornography and they were saying, Doctor, I'm a different gender.
Well, what's the difference between anorexia and transgenderism?
Oh, one of them stands to make billions and billions of dollars.
That gender clinics, basically, you ensure a customer for life a customer for surgery, a customer for hormones, a customer for follow on care, a customer, Lord knows, for mental health.
You have a customer for life.
So he's pushing transgenderism.
When he spoke out, that's from the Texas House floor.
He was speaking out against House Bill 25.
House Bill 25 was getting transgender men out of women's sports.
So he's there using the Bible to argue against transgender restrictions on transgender men participating in sports.
What is he pushing in favor of?
Something that is so novel it basically didn't exist 15 minutes ago.
So, why between the two?
Okay, we have a minister over here who says abortion and transgenderism are barred by God's word and God's law.
Here he is saying they're not.
Well, one of these has the entire corpus of the Christian faith behind him.
That's right.
The other one isn't even true to his own Presbyterian seminary's founding.
It's insane.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's one thing for a leftist to say, hey, I think Christianity is patriarchal.
You know, and this is like historically first wave feminism, it's a rejection of.
Christianity, the historic Christianity, because they recognize, yes, it's patriarchal and yes, it's going to oppose abortion, so on and so forth, on all of these issues.
And they recognize that.
And you'll hear a lot of modern leftists be able to say that they'll say, Yeah, I just, I'm not a Christian.
I'm not spiritual.
I don't, I believe these things are right on my own volition.
I'm God, right?
Or the state's God, whatever the case is.
But it's another thing, and this is why you have to believe it's intended deceit for someone to come actually, and it's very convenient to be able to say, Hey, I'm actually a Christian.
And it just so happens.
That Christianity agrees with all of our modern liberal sensibilities.
And so, this is why going back to the point of Christian nationalism, it really is a form, the gayest form of Christian nationalism, which is yes, Christianity informs my worldview.
My worldview is right.
My worldview is good.
And the government should use these Christian arguments or use the Christian faith to inform what they do.
That's right.
And notice he's on the house floor quoting scripture.
Everybody is losing their mind.
Christian nationalism, you know, this is extreme.
This is radical.
Radical.
Right.
This is a bunch of fascists.
We need separation of church and state.
Separation of church.
This is.
Exist in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, or anything.
Yeah, what they're really advocating is a separation of Christ and state.
But notice, notice that what James Tallarico is doing is exactly what we're doing.
He's saying, no, no, I'm going to sit here on the House floor in Texas and I'm going to quote scripture and tell you why, from scripture's authority, you should be doing the things that I'm telling you you should do.
It's exactly the same.
It is Christian nationalism, it's just gay Christian nationalism.
Right, and to round out Wes's point, it's more of, he knows better.
He knows he's making an argument about God being non binary and using plural pronouns to justify transgenderism.
That is an argument that no one has ever made.
Ever.
Ever made before him.
I've never heard that abortion one either from Mary, that the angel required of Mary consent.
No scholar, no theologian, no pastor I've ever heard make that point either.
And he knows that.
He knows that.
I mean, he's at minimum, he's dug into the Reformed tradition, he's dug into theology proper, and he knows God is sovereign.
Like, he knows this is the historic Christian tradition, and he's making a deliberate decision.
For political reasons.
And really, what he's doing, he's co opting Christianity for his own whimsical desire for power, which is ironically exactly what he accuses the right wing Christian nationalists of doing, but he's actually doing it.
So the Christian nationalists say, no, yes, we want power.
Power is an amoral thing that we want to grab hold of for the glory of God and for the good of his people.
But we want to be gracious and we want to do it in a way that God has commanded us to do it.
We want to wield.
Power, righteousness.
You have to understand, guys, that this whole, you know, oh, power, you know, that's bad.
And everybody using the Lord of the Rings analogy, it's for one, shut up, nerd, right?
Like, go touch some grass.
But two, you're using the analogy incorrectly.
The idea, like, well, power represents the ring, you know, and the whole point of Tolkien is to say that, you know, the ring corrupts and blah, Now, look, power is not a virtue.
It's not a vice.
It's neither.
Power is not inherently evil, nor is it inherently.
Good, not a virtue, not a vice, but a tool.
The question is who's wielding power?
If it's the righteous using power, even the Old Testament speaks of this when the righteous come to places of authority, the people rejoice.
When the wicked steps into power, the people groan, right?
So it's not power being inherently good or power being inherently bad, it's power not being amoral, like Antonio just said, neither a virtue nor a vice, but a tool.
And the question is who wields it?
Someone can have a hammer, hammers aren't bad, hammers.
I think you can make an argument that they're generally good, but the question is who's wielding the hammer and what are they doing with it?
You use a hammer to build a house?
Great.
You use a hammer to bash in someone's skull?
Bad, right?
The question is what are you doing with it?
In the case of Lord of the Rings, the ring was made by Sauron, right?
So in that case, the ring of power within the Lord of the Rings trilogy, which is fantasy, guys, remember, it's a fantasy fictional story.
But in that case, the ring itself was inherently evil because it was made.
By an evil person for evil ends.
Okay, that's why they couldn't use the ring.
But if you want to use that analogy, there were a ton of other rings that were also made that had power and that could be used positively or negatively.
So, gaining power is not right inherently or wrong inherently.
The question is who's going to wield it.
But here's the deal power abhors a vacuum.
Someone, not whether, but which, not whether, but which, someone will wield power.
So, the question is who's it going to be?
Is it going to be gay Christian nationalism?
Or is it going to be true Christian nationalism?
Or, in the case of James Tallarico, to be a little bit more technically accurate, I don't think he's much of a nationalist because he's for infinity immigration from every third world hellhole you could possibly imagine.
So, you have historic Christian nationalism or gay Christian globalism.
Those are your choices historic Christian nationalism or gay Christian globalism.
But notice that both of them claim to be Christian.
Make appeals to authority, Christian authority, biblical authority.
So, this idea of, well, I don't want historic Christian nationalism because that's scary.
Well, over here, you got someone making Christian claims all the same.
It's going to happen one way or the other.
So, you're going to have someone quoting the Bible on the house floor in Texas to say, well, because of the Bible, you should chop off the genitals of your young 12 year old boy.
Or you're going to have someone also quoting the Bible, but quoting the Bible rightly.
And using biblical truth, biblical law for the flourishing of God's people.
Which one are you going to choose?
The way I see it, demographically, you'll either have a type of Muslim and Hindu nationalism.
You're going to have nationalism, and it's going to be suffused with religion.
So if we continue to allow unchecked immigration, that would promote some type of third world nationalism.
So you could have that.
The other option is this gay Christian nationalism.
You could even kind of call it like Jewish nationalism, honey.
It's very Talmudic in the way it picks apart and isolates and distracts the Bible, but when the Bible fails, To push forward the progressive talking points that he's wanting to push forward, then where did he go?
The Torah.
Other religions, the Torah, the Masoretic text.
Yep.
Exactly.
So you're going to have third world nationalism, big, brown, gross statutes.
You've got that.
You've got gay Christian nationalism, Jewish nationalism, and Christian nationalism.
You're not going to, Texas is 4% atheist, 5% agnostic.
You're not going to have an 80% atheist Texas.
That's right.
Well, sort of demographics.
You're also not going to have an 80% Muslim Texas.
So it's going to be Christian.
Unless you import a bunch of people.
But if you cut that off, there's two competing visions.
Both of them use the Bible.
Both of them use religion.
Both of them claim the name of Christianity.
And your only choice you're left with, you may not like the choices.
You know, lots of Presbyterians are hardest hit.
You may not like the choices, but them's the choices.
And you should just come out and say, well, faced with these two, even my hangups I might have with this, this is a heck of a lot better than this satanic perversion of scripture I see over here.
So come out, be a man, and be honest and say, yeah, we're probably going to have Christian nationalism one way or the other.
And I would prefer that one, even for the things.
Even withstanding all the things I don't like about it, just stand on principle.
Amen.
All right.
So, James Tallarico, vote no.
Okay.
We have some super chats that I want to get to.
Are there any final points that Antonio or Wes want to make?
Well, I was just going to say, and we've talked about this before on the show, but politics is playbooks.
And we talked about this with other candidates.
It goes both ways on the left and the right.
And this is why Christians should be so disgusted and just absolutely spit this out these kinds of candidates and these talking points.
And really, the decision becomes historic Christianity or my modern liberal sensibilities.
And Christians have to make the right choice here.
Otherwise, what you're going to find is well, Tellerico potentially will win here in Texas, but in Georgia, all throughout the Bible Belt, in Mississippi and Alabama, these kinds of candidates are going to be cropping up.
And everyone's going to be faced with the same sort of dilemma, if you will, testing the historic Christian faith against this gay Christian globalism, Jewish globalism.
And so it's going to be really important.
I mean, Texas.
Has historically always been kind of a flagship state for trying new candidates out, seeing what works, and then trying to export that.
The DNC is going to look at Teletrico and say, oh, that might work.
Let's run candidates like this.
And I think that will happen, actually.
I think you're going to see more of these candidates pop up because atheism is dead.
Agnosticism is dead.
No one believes in that anymore, particularly the younger generations.
That was a 2000s, maybe early 2010 phase, right?
You're going to have religious politics.
It's going to be.
Islamic religious politics or Jewish religious politics, or if we continue to get infinity H1 visas from India, especially here in Texas, then it's going to be Hindu religious politics, you know, or it's going to be Christian religious politics, two subsets underneath that category.
It's going to be progressive, fake Christian, or it's going to be traditional, historic, true Christian.
But you're going to get religion in politics because the world is a religious place.
People are inherently That's another one of those scenarios.
It's not whether, but which.
It's not whether people are religious.
It's simply which religion they're going to adhere to.
The closest that we ever got to being anti religious would be in the West, post Christian era.
I'm thinking of the 1970s, 80s, 90s.
That was kind of the high watermark of kind of a secular agnosticism or atheism.
You know, the reigning champ just being, you know, I don't believe in God, I believe in science.
Okay, well, 2020 kind of ruined that record.
For the six feet away to slow the spread.
Yeah, the science TM, right?
The science bros, hardest hit, 2020.
Now the world has returned to religion.
The only question is which version will they actually adhere to?
Let me add one more data point on James Tellerico.
One of the marks of wicked men is a lack of natural affection.
Let me read some tweets here from the 2020s to 2021.
James Tellerico said Black Americans in a church, he's referencing a section of mass shootings, Mexican Americans in a store, Asian Americans in a spa.
radicalized white men are the greatest domestic terror threat in our country.
In 2020, September, he tweeted, white skin gives me and every white American immunity from the virus, but we spread it wherever we go through our words, our actions, and our systems.
We don't have to be showing symptoms like a white hood or a Confederate flag to be contagious.
And he's speaking in that sense, kind of about racism.
Last one, he says, there but for the grace of God go I, referencing a radicalized young man.
As a white man, I'm susceptible to the same radicalization.
Thankfully, I was exposed to diversity at a young age.
And explicitly taught the values of equality, inclusion, and justice.
But not every young white boy is so lucky.
He hates your children, he hates the unborn, and he also hates people.
He hates white people, he hates men, he hates conservative Christians, he hates nationalism.
This is a hateful person.
I'm so sick of the tolerance and equity and inclusion because it's such a lie.
You remember the He Gets Us ad?
Tolerance as a Lie00:02:56
Christian.
They played it during the Super Bowl.
And it's Jesus washing the feet of all these different people.
You've got a woman who just came out of an abortion clinic.
You've got an immigrant from some foreign country.
You've got a gay man, you know, it's like all the marginalized, you know, oppression status, you know, people that you could possibly imagine.
First, it's about Christ.
It's not about us, right?
It's about his majesty, his glory.
But secondly, even going that angle, which this ad tried to accomplish, this inclusivism, you know, all this kind of stuff that Jesus, you know, he cares for the marginalized.
Even on its face, which is the wrong angle to take, it's man centered rather than being God centered.
But even if you go the man centered avenue, notice that even then it's actually inauthentic, right?
It's like Jesus cares for all the marginalized people in society.
None of those people are actually marginalized in our society.
If you really want to actually convey that Jesus cares for the person that people hate, then have him washing the feet of a Nazi, have him washing the feet of a Klan member.
Have them washing the feet of somebody who's actually hating society.
James Tallarico, right?
He loves the foreigner.
He loves the immigrant.
He loves the single mom.
He loves the gay men.
He loves the transgender child.
He loves, you know, who he doesn't love?
Heterosexual white men who are historically Christian and hold any political or cultural view before 1960.
He hates them.
He will kill you, destroy you.
Exile, do anything he can to ruin your life, to ruin your wife's life, to ruin your children's life.
He wants you to be replaced, eradicated, jobless, your children hungry.
This is not a tolerant person.
And that's the, again, it's the same theme.
When it comes to tolerance, it's the same kind of deal.
It's not whether, but which.
The person who makes his whole platform a platform of tolerance is still, at the end of the day, an intolerant person.
He's just refusing to tolerate a different group.
That's the only difference.
That's the only.
James Tallarico is an intolerant, impatient, hateful person.
The only question is who?
Which group does he hate?
Which group does he refuse to tolerate?
And the answer is you.
Anyone who looks at all, resembles at all the founders of this country, you are the person.
You represent the family, the group that he will refuse to tolerate.
Hiding Power Levels Strategically00:08:42
Okay, we've got a couple super chats that have come in today.
The first one is from JurlD7R6U.
Now, it says 500, but there's a little symbol in front of the 500.
It's not a dollar sign.
This is 500, I believe, rupees.
And if we do the exchange properly, 500 rupees coming from India, I think this means we owe him $5.
I'm pretty sure.
I'm pretty sure that the current.
It's the only possible negative super chat.
The current exchange rate with India, I believe, is that Indian money is in the negatives.
And so I think that basically, Nathan, if you can, go ahead and write a check.
I think we actually have to send him money now.
So I think that's the way it works.
Anyway, so not a great start with that, but his message, I think, is really insightful.
He said Is MDiv, right?
That's a Masters of Divinity at NSA, that's a school in New St. Andrews, a good idea?
I know how Moscow, that's where it's located, the city, treats students who agree with guys like NXR.
That's us, New Christian Right Studios.
But I plan to hide my power levels.
I think that that could be wise, depending how you feel the Lord calling you.
Some people just need to not hide their power levels and need to just be courageous and honest.
But depending what vocation you're going in and what calling you think the Lord has given you, it may be wise for a time to not air everything out publicly, but to play the game a little bit and get into seats of power and then wield that power righteously.
So he says, I plan to hide my power levels as I'm seeking an MDiv, Masters of Divinity, from this school, NSA.
But he says, I'm hoping that this particular school and the way that they treat guys who like, In XR, that they repent.
I'm going to be 40 years old soon, but I aspire to teach in a seminary.
So he needs to get his credentials.
So he's asking, you know, do I go to this school that is not particularly fond of you guys and others like you and seek to hide my power levels, get the degree so that I can fulfill the vocation that I think the Lord is calling me to, which is to be a seminary prof?
What do you guys think?
Irrespective of your experience at NSA, New St. Andrews, specifically Gray Fires is where the Masters in Divinity program is, you also have to think about how that school will look on your resume.
Just objectively, as a fact, Moscow has always been kind of doing their own thing outside of the Presbyterian world.
Doug Wilson started his own denomination, the CREC.
Their program is not related, of course, to the PCA or the PCUSA, of course, APAC, APARC, OPC.
It's not related to any of those.
So it's kind of on an island in and of itself.
So, regardless of your experience there, I'm just going to be honest, if I look ahead to the future, Doug Wilson will pass in 5, 10, 15 years.
And it's not clear who's the clear successor in that program.
And so you could have this degree, you could have this program, but in and of itself, what it carries with it and the stigma and everything that's attached to it, I'm just not sure if in 10 years it will get you very far.
It might come with a lot of the negatives, like, oh, you went to school there, oh, you agree with Doug Wilson's program, but none of the positives of a denomination, of an accreditation path, of a seminary where you could actually teach at.
And so, Joel, you could certainly speak to, I think, the experience in the school of people that support our work, but I'd say even outside of it, I just don't know how that degree is going to be received and looked at.
For the rest of your life.
Right.
I think that that's wise.
I think when it comes to the strategy of temporarily, it needs to be temporary.
At a certain point, you're going to have to show your colors.
At a certain point, you're going to have to be courageous.
You're not allowed to just hide your power levels forever.
It's like, oh, we're saving up our cultural capital.
Okay, it's 2020.
Playing the long game.
Churches are locked down and people are stuck in their houses.
Are you going to spend your cultural capital?
No, that's not it.
Okay, the cities are on fire.
The mostly peaceful riots with George Floyd.
Are you going to?
Finally, cash in your cultural capital?
No, not yet.
Some guys, some Christians have been saving their cultural capital through every major event when they should have used it and they're sitting on cultural capital, but at the end of the day, it's going to be too late.
They never exercise courage.
So, number one, you are going to have to exercise courage eventually.
So, make that decision now.
I think it's permissible for a time temporarily to conserve your cultural capital, hide your power levels.
But eventually, you're going to need to be courageous.
The second thing that I would say is that if that's your strategy of temporarily hiding your power levels so that you can get the credentials, so that you can seek a seminary professor position and get tenured and all those kinds of things, if that's the strategy, then you should probably hide your power levels and go to a seminary that has more credentials, right?
One that would also disagree with NXR and have problems with us.
But if you're going to go the covert route temporarily in order to get the credentials to do the thing that you feel God calling you to do, then be covert somewhere that the degree that you would garner would be more recognized, right?
And open more doors.
That would be my opinion.
Let's skip to the next one.
I think we could just say, too, there have been people, and they've said it publicly, so we're not revealing anything said in private.
They're at the program and they feel actively hunted down for supporting Ogden, for supporting us.
And so.
Men have gone, they've gone with the intention I'm going to get my head down, I'm going to get this degree, I'm going to work hard, I'm going to be a good student.
And at least one of them has come out and said, I've been asked to leave the program, even as careful as I was, specifically for my support.
Yep.
All right.
This one comes actually from Rumble.
This is JNR Doyle, 86.
He gave us a Rumble super chat.
We appreciate that.
He said, Are there any Protestant churches that you can suggest I look into joining in Georgia?
I've had a very hard time finding any non liberal churches here.
Unfortunately, I'm not super familiar.
I just asked my network.
We'll come back to this question if anyone can give me a recommendation.
Okay.
All right.
Cool.
We'll see.
Next one is Kenton Little.
He's a great guy, great supporter of the show.
We appreciate Kenton.
He said two things.
Number one, if you're on X on Twitter, then you got to go vote for NXR on the DMW poll.
DMW, Dead Men Walking.
So, Dead Men Walking, they're doing a poll right now, podcast bracket, you know, which one is the best.
And we are in the running currently, is what it looks like.
So, go ahead and vote.
For NXR.
And then the second thing he wanted to say is he said, I heard that Tallarico's favorite drink is eggnog.
So I'm going to take that to mean that Kenton Little is an eggnog hater and he's trying to hang like an albatross around the neck of eggnog, James Tallarico.
And your mystical magic tricks and pure hatred of eggnog will not be successful on this show.
So thank you, Kenton.
Nice try.
I see your strategy and we're not falling for it.
Next one is Brown Anglo Saxon.
All right, that's an interesting name, but he's also a supporter of the show and has been phenomenal.
We appreciate you.
He said, I keep falling my police exams because of my cultural views.
Yeah, so this is back to C point A, hiding your power levels.
Might want to keep those a little close to the chest.
So I'm failing my police exams because of my cultural views.
Should I?
Reel back on the truth to get considered wise or manipulative.
I think it's wise.
We're called to be as innocent as doves, right?
So we can't blatantly lie.
We can't be compromised, but we are, it is permissible to be shrewd as vipers.
So innocent as doves, but wise as serpents or shrewd as vipers.
It's the same kind of thing.
If somebody's hiding their power levels over the course of their entire life, that's not wisdom, that's cowardice.
Wisdom can often be used as a euphemism for cowardice.
And one of the ways of determining whether or not it's truly wisdom or cowardice is asking yourself, How long am I going to do this?
How long am I going to be covert?
How long am I going to be shrewd?
How long am I going to hide my power levels?
But if it's temporary, it's for a season, in order to gain credentials, in order to fill the role that you believe God's calling you to, then I believe it's permissible.
All right.
So that is our super chats for the day.
Wisdom Versus Cowardice00:01:08
Did we hear back on J.N.R. Doyle?
So, Georgia is a big state, as it turns out.
So, right back in on Monday, tell us kind of what your denomination is, if you're looking for Presbyterian, where you are in the area, and then are you just kind of undercover based, hiding your power levels, or like, I want somewhere that'll take me as I am.
So, a little bit more context, but as much as possible, we like to direct people to good, faithful biblical churches in their area.
Amen.
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