Nick Fuentes and Joel Webbin expose conservative grifters like Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles, arguing their alliance with Ben Shapiro compromises America First sovereignty by enabling pro-Israel lobbying. Fuentes details his covert aid to Joe Kent, which Kent disavowed after Fuentes criticized Israel, sparking Tucker Carlson's retaliation against the internet-native activist. While defending Kanye West's artistic liberation from media pressures, Fuentes condemns Turning Point USA for its $140 million annual reliance on Silicon Valley and Israeli special interests, urging evangelical churches to reject Zionist shillery and prioritize true American independence. [Automatically generated summary]
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Sheltering Our Listeners00:03:47
At the end of the day, I've been right and they have all been wrong.
I've been beating the drum on Israel for 10 years and getting no help from anybody.
There's times that you're right and they're wrong, but at minimum, you could definitely say that you were at least, even if you're both right, you were right first.
Yes.
And all I would like is little recognition of, not even like, oh, a pat on the back, but some recognition when they say they disagree with my tactics or my strategy, it's like, okay, but.
In many ways, I changed the conversation.
And I don't know if it would have changed in the same way without, you know, many of the things that I've said and done have been proven right over the years, whether it was with Yay or whatever.
It's like we've been at the tip of the spear and you've been trailing behind.
So that would be my, I would just ask for a little humility on that.
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Radical Christian Nationalist Pastor.
Joel Webbin.
Joel Webbin.
I'm going to talk about Joel Webbin.
Joel Webbin is an excellent team.
All right, here we are.
Mr. Nicholas Fuentes, we are going to be calling out conservative grifters.
Calling Out Conservative Grifters00:10:25
I feel like that's something you do, I don't know, every five seconds, pretty often.
Now, some of the guys, I've seen you call out guys, and I'm like, I kind of like that guy.
And maybe I'm wrong.
Sometimes you know things that you'll say something, and I'll be like, that's mean, or Nick, you're being stupid.
And then six months go by, and I'm like, oh, he was actually kind of right.
And then there's some that I still disagree with.
And so we could push back a little bit.
A lot of your instincts have been correct.
And at a certain point, I'm not going to just take everything you say as gospel, but I'd be foolish not to at least consider it.
So let's start with maybe some of the obvious ones, but I would love if towards the end of this episode, maybe throw out a couple guys that people might be surprised by that you're like, I know you all kind of like so and so, but all right.
So that's what you do.
I feel like you're ready.
Who are some guys that you're like, that's not the real deal?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I think that, you know, it's important though to define what a grifter is.
Yeah, dude.
Because, you know, they're, in my opinion, because I try to be fair.
I try not to just rail against everyone I disagree with and say things about them that aren't true.
Because I think there's a fine line between somebody who's a grifter and someone who is just maybe not awake or somebody who's not on board.
And to me, a grifter is somebody that is saying things that they know are not true because it's convenient, because they'll make more money that way.
And, I got to be honest with you, the people that I have the biggest problem with, it's guys like Matt Walsh.
I have to say, Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles, to me, are the biggest ones.
And they're both Catholic.
I know.
Those should be your guys.
I know.
And that's the thing is.
Well, let me go on the record real quick because I don't want to be hypocritical.
I like Matt Walsh.
And actually, this I think will maybe surprise some of the listeners, but I like Matt Walsh and kind of like a blue collar everyman.
He's just got like that, he just has common sense in spades, right?
He's just, you know, he's good on that.
But Michael Knowles is actually, I think, more based.
People usually think Matt Walsh, you know.
But Michael Knowles, he understands, like, you know, he's more like, you know, the Christian monarch.
And like, he knows, like, the Catholic philosophy and, like, the history and stuff like that.
So, like, Michael Knowles, I think, in some ways, is, like, more on board for, like, let's set up a Christian monarch and Christian nationalism than even Walsh would be.
But both of them do really well in a lot of ways, but they're never going to call out Jews.
Right.
So I get that.
Well, and that's the issue is, I, It's not that I don't like them as guys.
I mean, over the years, I have come to have a little more respect for them.
They're Catholic.
They're fellow travelers on some level.
They're white.
You know, Michael Knowles is Italian.
He's Sicilian.
I'm Calabrian.
So we're a little different as Italians, as far as Italians go.
But what is very frustrating about them is here's what I will say in their defense I think that they both, the way they look at it, it's a trade off.
Which is that they get to enjoy the Daily Wire platform where they get to push the ball down the field on some of the issues they care about.
And on the issues they care about, they're very good.
Yeah.
Like Matt Walsh, to his credit, has been a champion against the transgender movement.
Yeah, really.
And he's gotten laws changed in Tennessee.
Like real effects.
Yes.
He's summoned his people to the school boards.
His documentary was unbelievable.
He changed the conversation on that issue.
He did.
And that was admirable.
And I admire that as an activist, as a broadcaster.
I think it's very powerful.
So I think his heart, they're good guys.
I think they're generally pushing in the right direction as social conservatives, Catholics.
And they've also, I would say, maybe Matt Walsh more so, they've been good on race too.
Matt Walsh has been very brave on the white identity front against immigration, diversity, crime.
Here's the problem though, for me at least, and maybe I just, it's a difference of opinion.
My message is America first.
And so that's really not about conservatism in any way, shape, or form, because conservatism inherently is about.
Like retarding social progress.
Right.
And that has like a negative connotation, but that could be a good thing.
Like, progress is a spook in some ways.
Is there progress?
That's a question.
America First is not about that.
It's about whether we have sovereignty, which is extremely specific.
It's whether the American people actually have a say over the big decisions that happen in our country, whether they're made by the public or private sector.
And that has to do with whether we're independent, whether we're free, whether as citizens, We really still have a government of by and for the people.
And so I came up during the Trump generation, and his message was basically about that on some levels, an anti corruption message.
And so to me, it's like if you are not America first, and the biggest obstacle to that, of course, is the Israel lobby, at least on the right wing, then you're kind of a traitor.
And I identify Ben Shapiro, like some would call him a grifter.
I would say he's just a foreign operative.
Because he believes in what he says, but he's just agitating for a foreign government.
He's on Israel's side, not America's.
And so to see Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles, they're two Catholic guys, they're good guys, they're pro white, they're patriotic.
For them to be in the camp with Shapiro, working for him, and in a way, buttressing what his message is, almost like inoculating him from criticism.
Right.
Because anybody who doesn't like Ben Shapiro, the immediate retort is, But Matt Walsh, how bad could he be?
You know, because Matt Walsh, you know, exactly.
And they'll say, um, it's keeping Daily Wire afloat.
If Daily Wire was just Andrew Clavin and Ben Shapiro, would it have any cachet?
Right.
Absolutely not.
It's Knowles and Walsh holding it up.
And I just look at a guy like that and say, he's doing a lot of good.
He is, uh, clearly very popular.
But does he want his legacy to be standing next to Ben Shapiro and giving him plausible deniability, giving him cover with the white people, with the Christians?
And that's where, you know, it's kind of funny.
Like people have defamed my friends with the Guilt by Association for years.
People say, I don't agree with everything he says, but it's like, do you really want to do that for Shapiro, which is kind of platform him and give him a seat at the table?
I think that's problematic.
And so I would call them out and say, I think they could survive on their own.
Candace Owens and I, we have our differences, but she did something very courageous when she went against Shapiro.
And when she went out on her own, she achieved heights that she never did at Daily Wire.
It didn't hurt her at all.
No, it helped her.
And so, if anything, she proved it's possible that you can survive off of the Daily Wire plantation.
You can thrive, actually.
So, I would love, and I said this before, I've been very harsh towards both of them.
And in some ways, I regret it.
I've been very harsh.
I've been pretty tough on them.
Almost daily.
In the comments of Matt Walsh, he says something that's good.
And I know you agree with it.
And your comment will be, leave the Daily Wire, you know, or like, you know, something like that.
I say you work for Ben Shapiro.
Really reminder, yeah, right, and it's like a one sided beef.
But I've really said some intense stuff towards them, but it's only out of just like a deep frustration.
It may be me retconning it, but I'm so frustrated because they could do so much good on the right side.
And I know it's their prerogative, it's their life, and it's their job.
And they can pursue their own strategy, of course, but I know everybody would love to see them really take their own side.
You don't need Shapiro and Clavin, you could do your own thing.
The last thing I'll say, though, is this.
The one thing which is really inexcusable, I always tell people, and we're doing shows about this subject also.
I tell people it's okay to conceal your views, but you can't lie.
You can't, because that helps the enemy when you lie.
And it's also immoral.
And what I really can't stand is when Matt Walsh went on Tucker Carlson, and they talk about Israel.
And Matt Walsh said, Well, you know, I'm just not obsessed with Israel.
I'm pro America, he said.
And, you know, I think if you're preoccupied with Israel, positive or negative, that's a problem, he said.
And a number of other things.
He said, I think Israel, they have a right to defend themselves and they can defend themselves on their own.
And I'm like, that's not true.
Like, that's a lie.
If America was propping up Israel, they'd be in a world of hurt.
And he knows that.
I think everyone knows that.
And it's disingenuous even to frame it that way because to take this position that I just don't care about Gaza, okay, but America is, we're on the hook for that in every way, shape, and form.
It's detrimental to our country.
And this arrangement exists because of corruption.
So you can't recuse yourself and say, well, that's happening over there.
Yeah, but we're involved and we're involved because of what's happening here.
So I thought that was very disingenuous.
And I just wish that they would be as forceful on that issue.
As they are on the other things.
And I think that's, there's a deception there.
I don't like that.
Yeah.
So, more than just we don't touch it, but even at least on a couple occasions saying something that was categorically untrue.
Right.
Like Israel is a big boy and they're great in their own right and they can do their own thing when they literally can't.
It's not like Israel, I just want to stay out of it.
It's like, no, we are actually actively propping them up.
And we have, somebody has to say enough.
The Truth About Jesus00:04:59
Right.
All right.
Who are some others?
I would say that, and again, this is kind of like a different category.
I really can't stand lately Josh Hammer, who's also a Daily Wire alum.
I believe he's now at Newsweek.
And Josh Hammer, I don't know if you're familiar with him.
A little bit.
He was at NatCon.
Yes.
Right.
Okay.
He was on a panel at NatCon.
And I had a friend on that panel who's still a friend.
Mm hmm.
I wasn't stoked.
I didn't love that.
Yeah.
Well, he's been around forever.
And he was at Daily Wire for a long time.
And I think he went away.
And I think he has some role there now, though I'm not sure.
And what I knew this guy for for many years is that he would frequently tweet that white people are inherently anti Semitic.
He's tweeted it on at least two or three occasions.
He says that.
Well, white people are historically Christian.
Right.
Yeah.
Historically.
So, you know, and the New Testament, like.
I got in big trouble because I said the Bible is anti-Semitic.
I don't think in an objective sense, but what I was trying to say is that not just the ADL, right?
It's easy to like, oh, the ADL.
It's not just the ADL.
There are multiple clear biblical principles that I could just change a couple words and basically, essentially, just quote the New Testament and what Jesus said.
And it's not just the ADL.
Ben Shapiro would say that's anti Semitic.
Yes.
And so, my point when I said the Bible is anti Semitic, I was trying to make a point and say that you guys are so concerned about anti Semitism, but if your chief standard in morality becomes avoiding anti Semitism, you will compromise the New Testament.
You will.
Yeah, that's 100% true.
And that's even happening with the Catholic Church.
They're putting on Good Friday, they put in like a little piece of paper inside the missile, which is sort of like a disclaimer.
Because, of course, for centuries, the Catholics would pray for the perfidious Jews on Good Friday.
And the story on Good Friday is that the Jews call for the death of Christ.
And so, on the, I don't know if it was the Holy Thursday or the Easter Sunday Mass, that's part of it.
And the Catholic Church put in like a disclaimer that says, this is, we do not pray.
Do that anymore.
This is anti Semitic.
So, yeah, you really can't faithfully talk about the gospel without leaning into that territory.
That's part of the story.
Right.
And people always say, well, the Romans killed Jesus.
That was a big thing a couple of years ago.
Who killed Jesus?
Biblically, what I told people is you could list at least five different things.
The father killed Jesus.
It pleased him before the foundations were laid to crush the son for our iniquity.
Jesus killed Jesus.
No one takes my life from me, but I freely lay it down of my own accord.
He could have called a legion of angels to deliver him at any time.
He says this explicitly.
So, Jesus willingly goes to the cross.
He forfeits his own life.
The Father ordains it.
You and I, all of us, our sin killed Jesus.
I mean, that's one of the truest answers.
The Romans killed Jesus in the literal sense of driving the nails.
So, there's a lot of different accounts, but there's only one that I'm continually told I can't say.
Right.
So, I'm going to say that one even louder.
So, my point is I would agree that it is a multifaceted answer.
But at the same time, one, I'm being told I can't say.
And then, secondly, it's not just that I'm being told I can't say the Jews killed Jesus, so I'm going to say it louder.
That is part of it.
But in addition to that, yeah, the Romans scourged him.
The Romans drove the nails through his hands and pierced his side with a spear.
That's true.
But I mean, Pilate is pretty clear.
In the end, he compromises and he's a politician, and he's up for reelection and he's over that district.
And so he.
He is cowardly and chickens out.
But Pilate didn't want to do it.
So now he washes his hands, but he is guilty.
I mean, it's in our creeds.
Pontius suffered under Pontius Pilate.
So he is guilty.
But there is a difference between I ultimately made the decision and so therefore I bear guilt versus we conspired in the middle of the night to hold a kangaroo court, a mock trial where we produced false witnesses.
And then we went and bribed and stirred up the crowds to say, give us this.
Thief Barabbas, instead of, you know, like, right.
I mean, it's not the same.
So, yes, the Romans killed Jesus, but the Jews really killed Jesus, you know.
And then, and then also everything I already said, my sin really killed Jesus, and the father ordained it, and the son gave up his life free.
All are true, um, but not in the same way.
And only one of them, um, am I being told I can't say.
Yes, I totally agree with all of that.
Woke Left and Islamists00:16:02
Um, and and so on, on some level, there's something true there.
Uh, but this guy, Josh Hammer, he says, for years, Europeans, it's in their DNA.
He says literally, it's genetic that they're anti Semitic.
That's how I knew him.
And he's married to an Israeli.
His kids are Israeli.
He's been to Israel.
Like he's in the pocket of Israel.
And I see him making the rounds now, doing all the shows of Mark Levin and everybody else.
And they're all pushing this line.
First of all, so hateful.
Anyone that criticizes Israel to them is filth, garbage.
Like you really need to listen to the way a Shapiro or a Mark Levin or a Josh Hammer talk about anybody that criticizes Israel.
Yeah, not just you, the way they would talk about Tucker Carlson.
Yes.
Anybody.
And there's no charity.
Yeah.
It's never like they're misguided, they're radical.
It's their filth, their garbage, their nothing.
And that's something that always weighed on me.
Like, they're very, these are not nice people.
Like, they're bad people.
And Josh Hammer has been pushing this line, they all have lately, about this like woke right.
Yeah.
They identify with the woke left.
Lindsay coined it, I think.
Yes.
The woke right.
Yes.
But they are, it's really fascinating.
Because if you pay very close attention to the pro Israel types, even like a Joe Lonsdale, we talked about in another show, he runs the Founders Fund with Peter Thiel.
He was a Peter Thiel acolyte.
He was at Stanford Review, which Thiel founded.
And he invests in a lot of these tech companies.
He's Jewish.
And I watched, he did a recent interview with somebody, and he says his hero that he thinks everyone should emulate is Cyrus the Great from Xenophon.
I wonder why.
Because he helped the Jews.
Yes, because Cyrus is considered a messiah.
The Messiah like figure for delivering the Jews and building the Second Temple.
He goes in there and says, We really need to focus on fighting the bad guys.
And who are the bad guys?
He says, It's Islamists, the progressive left, and the woke right.
And it's like, if you pay very close attention, you will find this come up over and over in the work of Brett Stevens, Barry Weiss, Mark Levin, Josh Hammer, Lonsdale, Alex Carp.
This is like the central lie, which is.
They've created basically like a Trojan horse Potemkin village ideology that they call conservatism.
And it is basically, they created it to oppose all of their enemies.
So, if you read a New York Times bestseller written by a conservative author, they're going to say, Who are the enemies of conservatism?
Islamists, the woke left, and the woke right.
What do they all have in common?
Well, among other things, they're all harsh critics of Israel.
But they come up with all.
They say, well, these are the bad guys.
These are the totalitarians.
These are identitarians.
They come up with many different layers of analysis to vilify them.
Anything that will suit the fundamental interest, which is to vilify those who criticize Israel.
For example, they came up with this term woke right.
And I believe you're right.
It's James Lindsay, which is funny because James Lindsay is a new atheist.
He comes from the new atheist movement.
His early adulthood, his chief goal was to tear down Christianity.
Yes.
In the same vein as.
Christopher Hitchens and all the famous atheists from that generation.
He's probably lost, by the way.
Yes.
Like, praise God, in 2025, it's actually the hardest thing about telling your dad you're an atheist is telling him that you're gay.
Like, seriously, by the grace of God, Christians actually, I think, really won that battle decisively.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
That's a whole other subject, but I totally agree with you.
But so he comes from, it's just the irony.
He's a new atheist.
He's pro gay.
He's pro diversity.
And he's calling us woke.
Right.
Okay, so what does woke mean then?
I thought that woke meant that you're radically progressive.
I thought that because woke comes from this like stay woke idea.
And that comes from almost like a jive, like black power being woke is being like conscious, awake to minority oppression.
Yeah.
Having like a class consciousness, a black consciousness, being cultural Marxist.
And so stay woke meant like being the tip of the spear of the radical left.
And now there's taking that and applying it to the right and saying, well, that's because the right talks about race too.
But we're ideologically far right.
We're ideologically completely different than the far left.
And what you realize that they have in common, what woke is, it's like a completely made up term without any content.
Like, what actually does woke mean?
It doesn't mean anything in itself.
Like, if you say conservative, that actually has a denotative meaning to conserve, to hold back, to be restrained.
But woke does not actually have a denotative meaning, only a connotative meaning, only a contextual meaning.
So, it's a word with really no content that they're just applying to anybody that they consider outside of the consensus.
And to them, that is literally anybody that isn't pro Israel.
Yeah.
Because they wouldn't call, for example, Steve Saylor woke right.
They wouldn't call, you know, I can't think of another example, Alex Karp.
Yeah.
Alex Karp is a pretty far right guy.
Yeah.
He's in favor of ethnically cleansing Gaza.
He's far right, just not on Israel.
Right.
He's a nationalist.
And that's why I think it's helpful.
I've just.
Started saying, um, there's you know, there's the left, um, and then there's the kosher right because that's really the dividing line is not wokeness, the dividing line is your position on Israel, and so there's the left, there's the right, and then there's the kosher right, yes, and that would not be us, that's them.
Well, and and then you have to take a step back and say, okay, so if the woke left and woke right are the problem, and what makes them the problem is they're not kosher, they're not pro Israel, who's always the third camp?
It's always the Islamists.
Let's think about it in the context of the current conflict.
Israel is fighting Hamas and Iran.
And what Iran and Hamas have in common, yes, they're Muslim and they're anti Israel, but unlike Egypt and Jordan, they're Islamist.
And Islamism is when you believe that Islam should be the governing religion or ideology of the country.
Iran has a theocracy led by clerics, Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood.
They believe Islam should be the doctrine of the state.
When you zoom out, you realize that the Islamists are fighting Israel in the Middle East.
It's Iran backing Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis.
But it is the progressive left and the far right in America that are undermining America's support for Israel, which pays for Israel to fight the Islamists.
So when you see a guy like Josh Hammer, Mark Levin, all these guys, and they're doing interviews and books, and they're trying to frame the conversation, they're setting the table in such a way that says it's.
Woke left, woke right, and Islamists as the enemy.
They're the bad guys.
And it's us, Judeo Christian conservatives, on the other.
You realize very clearly what they're doing here, which is to set the table in such a way because your ordinary American would say, I'm not woke and I'm xenophobic towards Islam.
You know, I don't like Islam for valid reasons.
I don't like Muslim immigration.
You realize they're painting conservatives into a corner where the only way to be a true conservative is to never oppose Israel.
And it's like this is a huge slice of the institutional right wing.
This is Fox News.
This is Blaze TV, run by Glenn Beck.
That's Prager U, Daily Wire, that's Breitbart.
They're all under that umbrella.
And I would say so, you know, I don't call those people grifters because they're clearly believe what they're saying, but they are doing something which is basically like a very contrived and sophisticated lie.
And when I hear it, I just lose my mind because it's like you're lying.
Like everything that you're saying is in bad faith and a lie.
That whole labeling system, that whole frame, it is completely convoluted.
When I watched that thing with Joe Lonsdale and he says, We got to fight the bad guys.
It's the woke left, the woke right, the Islamists.
I like Cyrus the Great.
It's like you're concealing what you're really about.
And in that way, I guess there's something like being a shill about that.
So that would be like a whole category of people that I think are really the biggest problem right now.
Yep.
One of the things I've noticed with NatCon is, and like there's a lot of things coming out of NatCon that I'm like, Yeah, I agree with that.
That's really good.
But one of the things that I've noticed that I think is subversive is it'll regularly be said, you know, Christian nationalism is a good thing.
And I'm a Christian nationalist.
I like it, you know.
But they'll say, you know, the three parties that are privy to this Christian nationalist project are, you know, Protestants, Catholics.
I'm like, huh?
Huh?
And Jews.
I'm like, wait, what?
Come again?
You know, it's like the three headed dragon where one of them's like stupid and the other two are like looking at, you know, I'm like, how did Jews make the team?
You know, and so that's just kind of like slipped in.
And I think everybody kind of instinctively knows that, like, okay, Protestant Catholics, you know, we have our divide, but certainly there's a lot more in common between two people that believe Christ is Lord and a third group of people that believe he's, you know, he's in hell.
And so that third one is like, it's already so nonsensical that you kind of need to compare it and contrast it with something even further or something that at least, you know, by appearance seems further so that you can say, oh, you know, like almost like the thing of like the moderate centrist, you know, and then the left, you know, runs away and then all of a sudden like they find themselves on the right.
Even though they didn't move, the left moved, you know, that meme that was popular in 2020.
And I feel like they're kind of doing that with Jews.
They're like, we know that people aren't going to fall for it, that there's Protestants and Catholics and Jews are right there next to them because obviously they're not.
But if we can pick a bad guy, a monster, you know, that's so far over here past, you know, Jews, then it can make it.
And so I think, you know, Muslims have kind of been the boogeyman, you know, that they use.
And I'll be completely honest, I hate Islam.
I absolutely do.
I think it's a demonic ideology, and I'm not a fan.
I'm a Christian.
But all the videos that come out of Muslims chanting death to America and those kinds of things, I do think that there are plenty of Muslims that really do in the Middle East that hate America.
But I think it's worth asking why.
And as I've delved into some of that, it's like, do they really hate America because of America in and of itself?
What are we doing that's affecting them, that's hurting them?
And the reality is like, well, they kind of hate us, not all of them, but some of them really do hate us.
But it's because of our meddling.
It's because of our involvement.
It's because of our intervention that it's regime changes that make things worse and cause this and cause that.
And so much of that is because of our being allied to Israel.
If America didn't have any partnership with Israel, I don't know if the Middle East, if the Muslims would hate us as much as they do.
So I feel like, so to say that, well, Muslims, because that's the justification that they give, is like, you don't think Muslims are the chief enemy?
Like, look at this video where they're burning the American flag, you know, whatever.
But if you go just a little bit further and say, okay, but why?
Why the animosity, not for all, but some Muslims in the Middle East towards America?
And if you really start to dive into that question, A lot of the conclusion is because of America's partnership with Israel.
I agree with that.
And I would take it a step further and just say that because this is where they always get you.
They say, well, you love Muslims.
That's what they say to me.
They say, you're an apologist for Muslims.
You want to ally with Muslims.
And I would say that we just simply cannot look at Islam and the way it's talked about outside of the context, which is that Israel's at war with the Muslim world.
And so.
They want Americans to be preoccupied with Islam and Muslims because they are the Jews' enemy.
And so, if there's this intense animosity towards Muslims and the Muslim world from Americans, then we're sympathetic to the war against the Taliban, the global war on terror, the war in Iraq, all these different things.
I would say I don't want Muslims to come here and I don't like Islam, but what exactly do they have to do with America?
There's not many of them here, actually.
They're a problem in Europe.
There's way too many of them in Europe.
And they're a problem in some cities in America where they've overrun, like Dearborn, Michigan, or in Minneapolis.
There's a lot of Somalians.
But by and large, they're a tiny fraction of the population here.
People talk about Sharia law.
I want to say we're living under like the Noahide laws.
Like Reagan passed something that said that we live under the Noahide laws at the behest of the Chabad Lubavitchers under Schneerson.
And you go to like a grocery store, look at how many of the products on the shelves are kosher.
And look at how much of our society is built around sensitivity to the Jewish community.
The Holocaust education.
It's like Sharia law.
We're mandated to learn about the Holocaust.
It's like we're practically mandated to celebrate Hanukkah on someone.
We're eating kosher food at the grocery store.
And look at our elites.
Look at who donates the money to the campaigns, who owns the media companies.
So you cannot divorce it from the context, which is that.
Israel is in a civilizational war with the Muslims.
And that is reflected in the Jewish ownership of the media when you see this fear mongering about Sharia law in America, something that doesn't exist.
And if Muslims really are the enemy, and I think spiritually speaking, there is a lot of reality to that.
But I'm talking about your Josh Hammers and guys like that, the rhetoric that they use.
If there's such an enemy, then why do we resource Israel with our tax dollars so that they can fight wars with Muslims to dispel?
Place them and then Jews in America with their policies vote to open the doors for them to come as refugees here.
If Muslims are, you know, the greatest enemy, then surely we wouldn't want more here.
Right.
But when you think of how Judaism and Islam actually work, they're certainly at war with each other, but how they work in tandem, in concert to disrupt America, I think the formula is rather simple Muslims invade and Jews hold open the door.
Yeah.
100%.
There's no doubt.
So, like, if, so my point is like, okay.
I'll concede your point.
Islam is a problem.
Okay?
But it's not as much of a problem here as it is there.
And as far as it is a problem here and not wanting more Muslims in America, I don't know how to have that conversation without at least including as a line item in that conversation.
Shouldn't we identify which people in politics and in media and among our elites in America keep opening the doors for the Muslims to come?
Tucker's Genuine Flaws00:14:37
Because you look at that and it's like it's disproportionately Jews.
Major.
Well, and I would even go further and say, They want us not to like Muslims.
Okay.
But we don't like Jews anymore.
If we have a problem with Muslims and say we have a problem with their faith and their ideology and maybe they're here in opposition to Western civilization, are the Jews any different?
I would say they're about the same to me.
And the only difference is at least Muslims and Islam represent an overt challenge.
Correct.
Because we have them.
It's visible.
Right.
And we have a history of warfare.
They're here to conquer.
I don't think they even hide that in Europe.
I mean, they're.
They're imperialists, the way they play their call to prayer, the way they gang up in these European countries.
But the Jewish people put the hyphen in and say it's Judeo Christian.
We're your closest ally.
We're your best friend.
And I always like to do as a thought experiment you know, think about how the Jews talk about the Palestinians hatred, hate them.
There was a piece in First Things Magazine, a Catholic magazine, that said there's a virtue in hating the Palestinians and they hold them collectively guilty.
And they laugh about the famine, about the Dying innocents.
They say there are no innocents.
What crime did the Palestinians commit?
Specifically, they opposed Israel.
And you look, the Israelis treated the survivors of the Nazi regime in the exact same way, hunted them down years after the fact, Israeli spies.
Do you think for one second that if America turned on Israel, that they would not have the same animosity for us the way they do with Gaza, the way they do with the.
Survivors of the Nazi regime, the way they do with whoever they consider to be their perceived adversaries, and the way that they talk about their history, they say there's something in their manner of speaking where they say, Everyone tried to stop us the Babylonians, the Persians, the Egyptians.
Where are they today?
They've all been destroyed.
We're still here.
Do you think they feel any differently about America on some level?
They're friendly to America for now.
But in this context of the war in Gaza, they have been very clear.
Gad Saad said this.
He's in Canada.
He basically said, the future is in China if the West doesn't support Israel.
And this is like a guy who's made his bones being pro Western civilization.
But the second that the West doesn't support their war, then they say, you know what?
Maybe it's over for the West.
Maybe it's time to go East.
They're completely indifferent fundamentally.
And that's where I get back to these guys like Josh Hamm or Mark Levin.
They spin these tales.
The way they frame the argument, it needs to get to a point where Christian, whites, Americans need to look at that and say, We're just not listening.
You're not one of us.
You clearly don't have our best interests in mind.
You're pushing for something else.
And, you know, on some level, I don't hate them for that.
It irritates me deeply.
Like I hate that they're doing it, but it's like the scorpion and the frog.
You know why they're doing it.
Because it is my nature, it's their nature, and they can't help it.
But we just can't.
And with that, it's self preservation.
Right.
If I was a minority, and I mean, the leading cause of anti-Semitism, of course, is in large part Jewish behavior.
But if I was a minority and I had a bunch of, you know, and I was surrounded, you know, with a bunch of people around me that hated me, like I would do whatever it takes to survive.
So I don't even necessarily fault Israel for, you know, some of the stances and even some of the tactics that they've taken.
But I do sometimes get frustrated with my own people, with fellow Americans and heritage Americans to like, They have an obligation to try to be self preserving.
But why can't we?
Why can't we be self preserving?
Why can't we say, I get that you want to survive and I get this and I get that.
But so do we.
When are we going to say that?
Yeah.
And I would go further even and say, I did a podcast with Dave Smith recently.
Yeah.
And I like Dave.
Yeah.
He's a brilliant guy.
Visibly Jewish, I believe is what you said.
He is visibly Jewish.
Visibly Jewish.
But that's okay.
He's one of the good ones.
No, but he's.
He's a good guy.
He's got a good heart and he's an honorable person.
I have a lot of respect for him.
But I said this on my show and I even told him when we did the show.
I don't know if I said in exactly this way, but his debate with Josh Hammer at Turning Point in July of 25, I'm just going to say it at the end of the day, it's two Jewish guys debating about Israel.
And I just think, is that really what America needs more of?
Is two Jewish guys debating about what is best for America in relation to Israel?
And I feel like when they went after Tucker Carlson, because they hate him, they hate him.
And that makes me like him more.
Dave Smith doesn't like him?
Oh, no, not Dave.
I mean, the Israel lobby, many Jews in America, they really, he's the number one op for them.
Used to be me, now it's him by far, by a long shot.
Tucker Carlson is an American, whatever you want to say.
And I have my criticisms, but he's a white American, blue blooded, been here forever.
Who dared to try to enter this conversation about America and Israel?
And it is for that reason they're punishing him.
It's the Josh Hammers of the world saying, You dare a white American, a Christian, to enter into this conversation.
You have no place.
This is an internal debate among the Jews about what will be done for America.
And my message is I love Dave, but the only thing that I came in, not even to criticize him, but the arrangement was to say, I think it's time for some white people to enter this conversation.
Yeah, instead of just two bookends selectively chosen, like, you know, who are both ultimately beholden to.
And I'm not saying that Dave Smith, you know, sits on a Sanhedrin, you know, in a formal, you know, civil sense that he belongs to, like, but it's still his people.
Natural attractions run deep.
That's the way God made the world.
I have them, you have them, he has them.
And to pretend that there's not any kind of bias there, you know, is naive.
Real quick, since you mentioned Tucker Carlson, like, I mean, you went uber viral, you know, when you responded to him.
I'm curious though, like, If, like, he called you out, right?
It was the first time he ever named you.
Like, he's kind of referenced you before, but without using your name and stuff like that.
Or at least it seems like he was talking about you.
But I'll go on record and say, like, I'm, you know, I have nothing to hide.
Like, I like Tucker.
I like him.
I've had a couple friends who have been on his show, and I think he's doing a lot of good.
And I like him.
And so, if he hadn't called you out, do you think, like, you responded?
And I mean, you made a compelling case.
I'll say this, not necessarily compelling, and don't take this the wrong way, but like, when it was all said and done, I didn't walk away like, yep, Tucker is an op.
But I don't even think that's what you were doing.
I think you were doing, if he's going to call me an op, let's just, you know, hypothetically, let's just say, which would be more likely?
The guy with, you know, the mailman for a father who, you know, hit his.
Stride into the public sphere at 17 or the guy whose dad was a part of the CIA.
Right.
Right.
I mean, and you made a compelling case.
I don't think that Tucker is an op.
I really don't.
I like him.
But it was enough to make your point.
Yeah.
Because your big point wasn't so much Tucker's an op.
I took it to mean I'm not an op and I'm the one who was put on trial by Tucker.
Right.
And so I'm just making an argument from the lesser to the greater.
You know, probably neither of us are, but if anyone was, he would have the higher likelihood.
Yes.
So all that being said, I like Tucker.
If he hadn't done that, do you think you would have blasted him?
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
And it goes back a little ways with him.
I don't know what will happen between now and when this releases.
I'm open to being friendly with him.
I got a feeling you'll go on Tucker's show eventually.
I think that might happen.
Because I think he's genuine.
Now, actually, that I have to specify.
I think he's actually not genuine, but in the best of ways.
So I think, in the true sense, I think he is genuine.
But he, dude, the dude, I mean, he's like basically has been a news anchor, you know, from birth, you know, I mean, like just, and so he's good.
He is good.
He's good.
And so, like, what he did with Tel Aviv Ted, you know, the Bible said, really?
The Bible says that?
Where does it say that?
And he's got the, you know, the face that like looks like genuinely befuddled.
Yes.
Like he often does that.
Like, I'm genuinely just, I'm just confused.
Or I'm just, he's not.
He's sharp.
Yes.
The dude's a shark.
And he's like, Where does the Bible say that?
And the moment that Ted can't answer, well, actually, it's in Genesis chapter 12.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so there are points where he, like, legitimately is not genuine, but not for a nefarious or malicious way, but to get him.
He's a good interviewer.
Yes.
That's what you like.
If you ever watch the, I can't endorse it.
It was, you know, it was degenerate and filth, but the movie, the interview with Kim Jong Un, you know, and he's like, and he's playing the part.
And then at the very end, you know, he gets him.
He's like, why are you starving your people, you know?
And that's, I feel like that's what Tucker does.
Yes.
You know, like, oh, we're best friends.
And oh, I'm just, I'm just, I'm Tucker Carlson.
Hello, fellow Americans.
I fly fish, you know, and I'm wearing the plaid shirt and my cabin set, you know, and like, or he'll often say, like, and I'm not rich.
And I'm like, you are rich.
I know you're rich.
Of course you're like, who believes that?
Right, right.
You know, but again, I think in the truest sense, he is genuine.
I think he genuinely loves Jesus.
I think he's genuinely a Christian.
I think he's genuinely trying to do good, but he does it strategically.
Yes.
He does, like, he knows exactly what he's doing.
He'll put on, like, kind of like a Hugh Grant, like, Yes, yes.
And it's like, no, dude, you're a shark.
You know exactly what you're doing.
And I'm here for it because I think, in the big scheme, it's in the right direction.
And you just got caught up in that, which was unfortunate.
Well, you know, I don't know what to make of him because I've never met him and I don't have an interaction with him.
But I would say I reserve the possibility, let's say, that it's a misunderstanding.
Yeah.
Because that'd be great.
There does seem to be like one, there's a generational thing.
He's older than me.
And he comes from an insular world.
He's at Fox News or was at Fox News.
Yeah, that's a particular type of person.
Yes, and he comes from institutional media.
He's from the institutions at the highest level.
And me, I'm a complete unknown for him, an unknown quantity.
I come from the internet, which he claims he's not even on.
He says he's not on Twitter.
That's all I am.
I'm more on Twitter than I'm in real life.
Tucker is fly fishing, and maybe once every six months he sends a fax.
That's right.
Yeah, according to him.
I struggle to believe it.
I actually probably think it's probably true that I don't think he's obsessive scrolling through Twitter all the time, but he probably knows what's on the internet.
A little more access than he lets on.
But we do come from different worlds me from the outside, him from the inside, me as a young guy, him being around for a long time.
And I can see and I get it.
Now that the conversation has changed, now that my ascendance is sort of undeniable, you can see how it gets lost in translation.
When you're an older guy like that and you see my clips, Does it shine through that I'm like a sincere, thoughtful person that's joking around?
Or does he think, oh, where did this guy come from?
He's some punk shock jock who is either intentionally or unintentionally making us all look bad.
And I just feel like.
Yeah, like he said the thing, like even that you intentionally with photo ops, like trying to shake someone's hand or give them a hug in order to smear them, get dirt on them, which I just feel like, even, you know, now granted, I'm not running for office or something like that.
So, you know, there'd be less incentive, but still, like just with this trip and the time that we spent together.
Like, I feel like it's the exact opposite.
You're like, nah, actually, Joel, let's not do that because I don't want to get you into trouble.
Like, I feel like you've been, you know, like, if anything, you're more covert.
I used to do that to mess with people.
Oh, so, okay, so there was some truth in that.
Well, here's what I, with Michael Knowles.
Oh, so you actually did kind of.
As a troll.
Yeah, because I went up to him at Politicon when I was canceled.
Yeah.
And I said, hey, Michael, I'm a big fan.
Let's get a picture.
And then I posted.
Did he recognize you?
No.
Oh, because that was before the Groyper Wars.
Yeah.
So I was unknown.
And I posted it on Twitter and said, oh man, dude, Michael is so based, but he just can't say anything.
But I'm trolling.
He says Nick is a liar.
It's like it was a troll.
It's a joke, you know?
But with people that I'm trying to help, it's discretion.
And the reason that me and Tucker beefed is that I went against Joe Kent.
Right.
But.
Well, and from my understanding, we have some mutuals, you know, people that you've been friends with for a long time.
So before I even, you know, talked to you in person.
They told me they were like, Oh, Nick was content to be the fat girl, you know, dated privately, but that you'll never take in public, you know, because you're ashamed of.
And so I heard some of the backstory on that, that you had one phone call with him and really utilized your following, the Groypers, to really do a lot of good and help him and did it all with the intent of, I'm not going to get any credit for this.
I'm going to plausible deniability.
But the one condition was, You don't have to be seen with me.
You don't have to say you're friends or anything like that.
Just don't throw me under the bus.
Yes.
Plausible Deniability Strategy00:09:25
And then he did.
Yes.
That's exactly the story we got linked up.
We had a phone call, and that was the understanding.
I said, I'm willing to do anything I can to help you, and I do not expect ever to be associated with you.
Photograph.
I don't want any of the credit.
I said, but just don't disavow.
And that's exactly what he did.
Yeah.
And it wasn't, it was unprompted.
Like, you know, we were not.
Connected in any way.
And out of the blue, he goes, You know, I disavow Nick Fuentes.
And I said, Well, you betrayed me.
Yeah.
And for no reason, really, and for no benefit.
And so I probably made him lose his election.
And it was that that then Tucker retaliated against me.
Because Tucker saw that as like, if Nick can't possibly be a good guy because he's hurting good guys.
Right.
And you're like, well, this good guy, Joe Kent, may be good overall, but he was nefarious to me.
Yeah.
And maybe Tucker didn't know that.
I don't know.
He probably didn't.
I think that's possible.
It's totally possible.
And.
If he didn't know that pertinent information, maybe that then does look like an operation.
Yeah.
But that is a critical detail because Kent, he not only disavowed me, he said, I disavow his views on Israel and he talks about race and religion too much.
We need inclusive populism.
Okay.
So it's like, I'm not being picky here.
So then it's not just a personal grievance, like he turned on me, so I'm going to sabotage a guy who could positionally be good.
No, in your disavowing of me, you literally said, I am for this thing that makes you no different than the neocons.
Exactly.
So now it's not even just like, well, you personally offended me, so I'm going to blast you.
Like, in your offense towards me, you just took away the one thing that makes you worth fighting for.
Right.
He basically said, I'm a pro Israel, pro diversity, pro non Christian populist.
Yeah, we've got plenty of those.
Exactly.
And he was claiming to be America first.
And that's why I had a problem with it.
I said, because.
Because you're right.
If he were pushing for the right things, maybe I would have recused myself.
Maybe I would have taken the high road.
But, you know, people don't know that part of the story.
And I remind people constantly, but nobody listens.
I say that.
And, you know, maybe by the way, Joe Kent, I mean, look, he's a good looking guy.
He is anti neocon, like his wife died in Syria.
So he's ideologically against what the CIA's been doing.
So I could see how, from the outside looking in, if you're Tucker and you like the guy.
Right.
You might say, What the heck?
This was supposed to be our champion.
And by the way, also, Kent was going to be on the National Security Council in the closing days of Trump's first administration.
So they really had plans for this guy.
And he was also in the CIA, even at the time, CIA agent.
So from the outside looking in, he was really going to be their star.
Like they put a lot of stock in him.
I took him out of the running.
And people said, And that's sort of the Tucker.
The clip, he goes, Who is this kid?
Who is this kid from Chicago?
Why is he taking out our top guy?
And I just wish he would have asked it in a good faith way, not rhetorically, because I did it for a reason.
And at the end of the day, I've been right and they have all been wrong.
I've been beating the drum on Israel for 10 years and getting no help from anybody.
There's times that you're right and they're wrong, but at minimum, you could definitely say that you were at least, even if you're both right, you were right first.
Yes.
And all I would like is little recognition of, not even like, oh, a pat on the back, but some recognition when they say they disagree with my tactics or my strategy.
It's like, okay, but in many ways, I changed the conversation.
And I don't know if it would have changed in the same way without, you know, many of the things that I've said and done have been proven right over the years, whether it was with Yay or whatever.
It's like we've been at the tip of the spear and you've been trailing behind.
So, That would be my.
I would just ask for a little humility on that end.
With Kanye, I just can't do it.
I can't say yay.
I'm just going to say Kanye.
How are you right about him?
Because when he ran in, well, he was talking about running in 2022.
His whole concept, if you really followed it, is he, and I know I'm saying rhetorically speaking, because people didn't, but he said For the 14 people that did, though.
For the diehard, like fans of his music, fans of his politics.
That Venn diagram was so good.
In which there's like 10 people.
Yeah.
Right.
He said, For me to become the president, we first have to confront.
Jewish media.
And we have to kind of get over that hump.
And, in other words, get canceled to prepare ourselves to run.
That was genius.
That was correct.
That was.
And he said that, among other things, he said that Jared Kushner only cares about Israel.
The peace deal was all fake.
The Abraham Accords, he's right about that.
He was right about Trump betraying his supporters.
And obviously, look, it didn't materialize into a campaign.
Lack of discipline, lack of seriousness, whatever you want to say.
If it was ever serious.
I mean, I think he wanted to run.
I think he has some political ideas, but it wasn't there.
Would you have voted for a black man?
I would have.
For him, yeah.
I know you would have.
And he considers himself white.
Does he?
Yes, he is.
No, he doesn't.
He tweeted that.
He's like, I'm white.
That's funny.
Like, as a joke, though, because I never know.
As a joke, yeah.
But, you know, there's some truth in that he never identified with the black people.
He feels uncomfortable around them because he's not a gangster.
Yeah.
You know, he feels he needs to put on a mask for that.
But, dude, like, I mean, you know, there's some crazy things, and I'm a normie, so I'm looking from the outside in.
There might be rhyme and reason to some of the things that I'm just not privy to.
But, you know, I feel like there's, you know, some, from my perspective, some crazy things.
But I can excuse crazy.
But then, one thing that to me, it's like, one, I think it's degenerate.
But beyond that, I feel like it's like, it's not just degenerate, but it's like, dude, like, So, you're pointing out Jewish power and Jewish subversion and Jewish degeneracy and those kinds of things.
I agree.
But you start a porn company.
That's like the most Jewish thing you could possibly do.
I'm like, why?
Why?
And that's when I hopped off is that stuff.
But when most people hopped off was when he did the Hitler thing.
Right.
What do you think he was doing with that?
Well, I feel like he probably had a strategy there.
What do you think it was?
Maybe there was an inkling of a strategy.
Okay.
I think that he was obviously courting controversy.
No doubt about that.
I mean, you invoke the name of Hitler and it's edge lording.
You get attention for that.
But I think he was trying to slice through all the BS.
Yeah.
Well, and even to make a point, because here's the thing it's not like he's a Hitler expert.
Right.
Like he's not an ideological national socialist.
He didn't read Mein Kampf.
But intuitively, he understood, and I think he was on the money on this.
And he said this sometimes, but he should have said it more.
He said, when it comes to the pain and the suffering of like black people and white people, nobody cares.
Like his kids got taken from him because of divorce.
Who is speaking up for all the men who have lost their kids through divorce?
Me.
Nobody.
You.
I talk, that is a huge, that's an epidemic.
It has to be talked about.
It does, but nobody prominent, like, and I'm not saying you're not prominent, but you know, like political leaders are not talking about this.
And the same goes for abortion.
Yeah, he's anti abortion.
He said millions of black babies are aborted.
Does anyone talk about that?
I think it's up to like 20, 24, 25 million in the last 50 years.
Black people.
I remember I tweeted out one time, I was like, they're like, you hate black people.
And I was like, no, my position and conviction is if I were king, there'd be 25 million more black people alive in America today.
And then in the comments, people were like, gosh, can you imagine?
Yeah, yeah.
They were like, rare Joel L.
I was like, guys, look, all right, I understand, you know, like we'd have to deal with some law and order, but these are people made in the image of God.
Yeah, yeah.
And abortion is heinous.
It is.
It's evil.
I hate what it's done to all children.
But there's no, if, And or buts about it disproportionately, the amount of black children that have been murdered through abortion is insane.
And that was, I think, he was basically saying, Are you listening now?
Because in his contracts, he couldn't say the name Jesus in his songs.
And all the record producers are Jewish and they're arrogant.
And the way they treat the celebrities, you should see it.
I mean, they treat these people like animals, like they're hurting animals.
Kanye Cancels Himself00:03:00
And so I think Ye was looking to liberate himself by canceling himself.
Liberate himself from the pressures and free himself so he could say whatever he wants and like lose what is contingent on, you know, not saying those things.
And it was also a call to say, like, now can we talk about other issues?
Because the things he's really passionate about, it's his religion, it's engineering, believe it or not.
He is obsessed with science and engineering.
He doesn't really have a scientific aptitude, I think, but like his whole campaign was based on he wanted to re engineer.
Pharmaceuticals, agriculture, like looking at hydroponics, like all kinds of different things I thought were very interesting.
And it was funny.
Even he would say, I don't want to talk about Hitler all the time.
But I think that was kind of the him, how he would describe it as like the boat from the Truman show hitting the painting and getting out of the matrix.
Like, okay, I said the thing.
Now what?
Right.
Now what?
Maybe now you, because now I'm a liability, so you'll let me go.
Right.
You'll never let me go if I'm making you money.
You'll never let me go if I'm benefiting you.
So I will make myself untouchable so that you'll leave me alone so that I can maybe set out and do my own thing.
And it made him invincible.
It's like, okay, I said the thing you're not supposed to say.
I lost it all.
Now what can you do to me?
I love that.
And, you know, someone like a Tucker who, you know, and I'm not going to vilify him here, but I don't think he could understand that given his sensibility because he's a political animal.
He wouldn't be able to personally.
Associate with, like, he would have no, like, at what point in Tucker's personal story arc has he ever been, like, he's been hated, sure, but even that, a lot of that's pretty recent, you know.
So to be able to identify with becoming the villain, you know, that was a powerful line from, you know, the NH Squared song was, you know, so, you know, screw it, I'll become the villain.
And I feel like, you know, even, you know, without, whether you agree or disagree, You can sympathize.
They took my kids.
They made me a laughing stock.
Everybody's, I have nothing left.
I have nothing left.
So, yeah, I'll just, I'll play the heel.
Yes.
And that's powerful.
Right or wrong, it's powerful.
Yeah.
And he really just knows how to tap into that kind of thing.
And I feel like Tucker and just political people in general, they lack that sensibility that an artist has.
They're too practical, too grounded, playing games, you know, thinking about moves.
And I think that.
You know, he calls it the yay button.
Like, you just hit this button and change the conversation.
And only a true artist, a true visionary, and I know I'm glazing a little bit, but only someone like that could kind of see the big picture in that way.
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And I know people looked at that as impulsive, reckless, careless.
I think that was such a huge part in changing the conversation.
I don't know that we'd be here because people saw what happened to him and they said he was right.
They took away two multi billion dollar deals.
Because he posted a tweet.
And Greenblatt went on the Breakfast Club and said, We had to take him out because of what he said.
Everyone was listening.
Everyone saw that.
They saw him get martyred in a certain sense in real time.
And so it's just such a powerful checkmate.
And I will never just, I thought that was genius.
And it irritates me a lot that people don't see that, or maybe they don't want to see that.
Or, you know, maybe I'm rationalizing it, but I feel like it was just.
It was a genuinely powerful, authentic moment that just, like you said, it just cut through everything.
It cut to the heart of the matter.
So I think he was right about that.
And I think everyone else was wrong.
All right.
So, Tucker, Kanye, we started with the Daily Wire, Matt, Michael, Josh Hammer, got to some of the political figures.
Anybody else that you feel like, hmm, this guy, I know you might like him.
He sounds like he's saying some of the right things, but he's bad news.
Mm hmm.
I would say, I mean, the biggest, which is somewhat timely now when we're recording this, is Turning Point USA.
Yeah.
And of course, what happened to Charlie Kirk was horrible and tragic and evil.
And I wish he was still alive.
You know, I had my disagreements with him and I judged him severely, but I didn't want him to die.
I wanted to beat him in an argument.
Right.
Yeah.
I didn't want him to die in front of his family like that or at all at a young age.
So horrible.
With that being said, and you got to be sensitive on the matter because I don't want to, you know, you want to be careful what you say because it's still a little raw.
It's like the body's metaphor.
Right.
You want to be respectful.
That being said, Turning Point USA always was like the financial largesse is unbelievable.
They raise $140 million a year.
Wow.
Which is just, and with that kind of money, They would take money from anybody.
They took money from Silicon Valley.
They took money from Israel.
They took money from all these special interests.
And my concern is now that Charlie has died and his wife has stepped up and run the organization, what I really don't like about that is it makes them kind of untouchable and unimpeachable.
Yeah.
And I think that's a challenge.
Like you can't criticize.
Right.
Not without being a monster.
Exactly.
And there's something cynical in that.
I think on some level, maybe they know what they're doing there.
And I don't wish death upon them, just like I did for Charlie Kirk.
But before his passing, after his passing, I think it needs to be called out that this was an organization.
To the extent that there was a conflict over Israel, it was occurring because they were getting money with strings attached.
Yeah.
Why was that?
You know, there's this issue.
That we know definitively.
Yes.
That we know.
That's been validated.
Yeah.
Yes.
So, to the extent that there's any conversation about Kirk and his views on Israel, it was that they were receiving millions of dollars from these people and there were strings attached.
And only when Charlie began to accommodate, let's say, people like Tucker and people that might dissent from that, did they start yanking the chain.
And it just begs the question isn't the whole organization sort of based on that?
Like, is it not Silicon Valley, corporate donors, Wall Street donors, billionaires that they raise $140 million from a lot of high powered donors that expect something in return?
Can an organization like that really push a revolutionary vanguard movement?
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Even getting back to our conversation about Trump, if the goal is to cut the money power and have national power based on the national character of the nation, can an organization that runs on money like that deliver?
I think the answer is no.
And so I remain deeply skeptical of Turning Point and what it represents, so called Big Tent Coalition, and the people in it for that matter, too, many of the spokesmen for it.
I think that's fair.
I have my suspicions.
All right.
Well, I think this was a good episode.
Called out plenty of people.
Thanks.
Yeah.
Thank you.
All right.
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