James Fishback campaigns for Florida governor on an "America First" platform, targeting Indian H-1B visa holders and firms like Blackstone as existential threats. He proposes eliminating property taxes, banning abortion clinics in favor of Christian centers, and imposing a "sin tax" on OnlyFans creators while defining Heritage Americans as those with three generations of U.S. ancestry. Fishback admits to a $200,000 lien and repossessed Tesla but defends his use of racial slurs against Byron Donalds, arguing prosperity must prioritize young married couples over GDP. Ultimately, his "citizenship capitalism" seeks to reshape Florida's economy through strict immigration controls and religious values, challenging the state's current political landscape. [Automatically generated summary]
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James Fishback Runs for Governor00:03:32
Today, we'll be having a conversation with James Fishback.
He's running to be the next governor of the great state of Florida, replacing Ron DeSantis.
And he's running against another shill for Israel, another guy who wants to flood his state with H 1B visas and set up Section 8 housing and set up a bunch of AI data centers that make electricity and utilities and cost of living higher for native Floridians.
But that guy, Byron Donalds, of course, in typical fashion, sadly has the Trump endorsement.
He has MAGA behind him, tons of funding, tons of support.
And yet, James Fishback actually has a chance of winning.
He's running a campaign that prioritizes heritage Floridians.
And this is a big deal, not only for Florida, but it serves as a canary in the coal mines when we look forward to the midterms and to even 2028.
At a national level, American politics is changing, and we think for the better.
It's moving in a positive direction.
Where we would no longer prioritize foreign countries, we would no longer prioritize mass immigration and all these kinds of things, but we would put Americans first.
America first means Americans first.
And no, not paperwork Americans, but actual Americans, heritage Americans.
James Fishback is running an excellent campaign.
He's hitting all the right talking points, it's changing the game in American politics, and it's worth us investigating to learn a little more.
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We are live.
Here we are.
We are with James Fishback.
He is running for Florida governor.
And we're going to be taking super chats.
We're going to give it about an hour worth of discussion.
We'll go to another break for a couple more messages from our sponsors.
And then we'll be doing the super chats.
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Here's the deal, though.
And this is going to be tough for some of our audience.
You know who you are.
The super chat has to be on topic, it has to be somewhat related to James Fishback actually running for governor in Florida.
If you give us a super chat about interracial marriage, you're going to have to make a comment and tag me on Twitter, and I'll do my best to get to it there.
But we're not going to do that today.
We are focusing on an important race in Florida happening now.
James, thanks for coming on the show.
Welcome.
Okay.
I do not have James' volume.
We're going to have to fix that real quick.
Could just be me.
That was APAC.
Sorry.
Oh, there we go.
That was APAC interfering, of course.
If you just took some of their money, you'd be okay.
I believe by the grace of God, a day is coming and not 20 years in the future.
I think soon to where guys who have taken APAC money are going to try to scrub it, try to hide it, try to literally be.
Chasing down APAC, please take it back because it'll be like an albatross around their neck.
Like you won't be able to win an election in America if you have taken APAC funding.
Do you think that's possible?
I think it is possible.
And because it utterly compromises you, you can't go and say you're America first, Joel, and then take money associated with foreign government and then push for policies to the detriment of Americans to the benefit of that foreign government.
It doesn't matter who that foreign government is Israel, Qatar, China, the UK, it could even be Sweden, it could even be the IKEA meatballs people.
It does not matter.
If you take money from a foreign government, you have forever tainted your ability to be pure in the eyes of the public.
And even if it were the case that you weren't using that money and that influence to pervert your thinking and priorities, you would still have the stain from the public's point of view that you were compromised.
Either one, good or bad, best case scenario, you are still in the eyes of the public compromised.
Yeah, well said.
Now, there's.
There's one narrative against you.
There's a few, but there's one that I do want to focus on at some point in this interview.
So I'm going to ask you some questions because I think it's fair to the listener.
But before that, let's just do 30,000 foot view, macro, big picture.
Give us whatever, I don't know, the number is arbitrary.
Maybe it's three, maybe it's eight, whatever.
But what are the big bullet points that you're running on?
What are you going to do for people in Florida?
Well, I would sum up the campaign really in one word, and that's affordability.
Not in an abstract sense, but honestly, Joel, in an existential sense, the great replacement is real.
And affordability is really at the heart of that, right?
I mean, if they bring in another 100,000 Indian H 1Bs from Calcutta or Mumbai, and you can't have a job, you cannot literally afford anything, let alone a home, let alone a car, let alone the ability to get married and have kids and raise a God fearing family.
If they continue to let Blackstone, BlackRock, Airbnb, and Four Nationals buy up and Hoard our single family homes.
You cannot buy a home, get married, and raise a family.
And so I don't mean affordability in this abstract Democrat sense where they use that word, they throw that word around as a Trojan horse to push through socialist ideologies.
I mean it in a very existential sense that if the people who built this country and in my state in particular are getting priced out and pushed out, then we need to fight back.
And so I believe that Florida, no offense to you guys in Texas, but I believe that Florida is the greatest state in the country.
But that is little consolation if the People who made it the greatest state in the country can no longer afford to live here.
And so, my mission as governor is very simple.
I want to make it easy for young people to buy a home, to start a family, to live out the full arc of the American dream.
I want to make it easier for seniors to stay in their homes.
And I'll do that by eliminating property taxes across the board for Florida residents.
I want to make it easy for our recent college grads to get jobs.
That means ending the H 1B scam.
I want to recognize that Florida did not cut its teeth on.
Being a financial capital, but by being a citrus capital, a cattle capital, a space capital, a tourism capital, that there's really a fork in the road.
Do you want old Florida or do you want new Florida?
If you want new Florida, if you want an AI data center where a cattle ranch or a citrus grove once stood, then Byrone Donald's is your candidate.
If you want to make Florida the financial capital of the world and bring in more hedge funds and private equity, then Byrone Donald's is your candidate.
If you want to speed up the construction of Section 8 housing, Then Byrone Donalds is your candidate.
But if you believe in the dignity of heritage Americans, if you believe that the identity and history of our state is not negotiable, if you want a governor who's not going to apologize for our history, or in the case of Byrone Donalds, he wants to change the flag of Florida because it so closely resembles that of the Confederacy, he is ashamed of our Confederate history, and I'll never apologize for our Confederate history as governor, then I am the candidate who will not just make life a little easier.
But a lot more affordable.
And there's a lot that can be said about the specifics, the nuances of that.
But I think the number one litmus test for so called, operative word, so called Republicans is whether or not they will acknowledge the fact that we are being replaced right now.
A Republican that does not acknowledge the great replacement, let alone has a plan to overturn it, has no business getting anyone's vote.
Yeah, well said.
It does seem like, you know, guys have talked in the.
The back alleys of the internet about horseshoe theory, you know, and that as guys are, you know, particularly young white men, trending more right wing in their politics, and then of course the left has progressed further and further and further towards communism and extreme forms of, you know, socialism, but a global socialism that completely erodes and replaces the native population of a nation.
But yet, as these things are happening, there seems to be, you know, and people point it out as a gotcha, you know, but some measure of overlap.
Horseshoe theory.
And, you know, I think there's some validity to that.
But more than that, the way that I would articulate what I see happening in American politics that is somewhat novel is simply a breaking down of the left right paradigm, of the Democrat Republican paradigm.
Like, if you're going to run for office, you're still going, at this point, you have to run under one of those two major parties.
That's simply the way that our political system works at this current juncture.
So I'm not saying, you know, somebody on a GOP ticket that that's somehow, you know, a mark.
Against them.
If I was going to run, I would run with the GOP.
But it seems like there's a grassroots swell, not just on one side, not just the forever Republican voters that are going to come out, but actually on both sides of the aisle, this bipartisan sentiment that's growing of, look, this guy, some of the moral and cultural things that he stands for, like for instance, being against abortion or being explicitly Christian.
There's people on the left who would be like, don't like it.
But My biggest focus right now is can I afford groceries?
Can I afford housing?
And so that affordability issue has become kind of this grassroots bipartisan issue.
And you are kind of, you and also, I think of Casey in Ohio, but the two of you, and there's a couple other guys, are kind of functioning right now.
And the verdict's still out.
I'm hopeful and prayerful.
But the verdict is still out.
But you're serving as canaries in the coal mine to see is this.
Is this viable?
Is this kind of platform?
Is this rhetoric?
Is this mission, this focus viable?
And right now, I mean, it seems like there's a lot of momentum, like it really might be viable, that it might kind of change the paradigm of American politics from not what it always was, but at least what it's recently been in the past few decades of just neoconservatism.
And, you know, we'll abort, you know, 15 less babies.
You know, we'll celebrate, you know, homosexuality, but not transgenderism.
Or, no, we'll celebrate.
Transgenderism, just you got to wait till you're 18 years old, you know, and not for, you know, a 14 year old.
And it's just, you know, the lesser of two evils.
And one side is just, you know, conservatives just enshrining the victories of the left just, you know, six months after that battle was fought and lost.
But what you're arguing for is, look, these cultural things matter.
And I've heard some of your rhetoric and really being courageous.
And I appreciate that.
I heard you, it was like a video where you were surrounded by a bunch of young men outside and you're saying, no, no, we're not going to.
Happy Diwali.
No, we don't do that here.
This is America.
Merry Christmas.
Christ is king.
And so I see that with you.
I also saw you saying, yeah, we're going to shut down every abortion clinic, which was incredibly encouraging.
And so those things are there and they should be there.
That's good.
There's not a compromise.
But it seems like the front facing view is you can feed your kids, you can start a family, you can live the kind of life that your parents were able to live and took for granted.
Is that an accurate way of expressing?
Kind of your strategy?
Well, I think it is, Joel.
And I think that this idea of the lesser of two evils is exactly how we got into this mess.
Why can't we just have someone who is good as opposed to lukewarm?
Why can't we have a vision that doesn't just wag our fingers and say the left this and the left that and actually assert an affirmative vision of pride in who we are as Americans?
I'm sorry.
I'm sick of the Republicans whining about we defeated the drag queens, we banned the drag queens.
How about this?
Why don't you ban Blackstone from buying up homes so young white men can actually buy a home and get married and start a family?
It's the bread and circus all over again.
Look, none of us like drag queens.
None of us like this DEI stuff being rammed down our throat.
But at the end of the day, we have got to do something other than push out performative slop.
The lukewarm Republicans have no place in the party.
Joel, I'm reminded, of course, of Revelation chapter 3, verse 15, where we are told, That you're lukewarm, you were neither hot nor cold, so I spit you out.
We have a very high bar we have to reach as Christians.
And as Americans, I don't think it's enough to simply say what we are against.
What are we actually for?
As a candidate, I am running for governor because I am for our people being able to get great paying jobs again, buy a home again, get married again, raise a family again, and live out the full arc of the American dream, not letting any third world migrant or first world billion dollar corporation.
Get in their way.
And when I do these events all across the state, all 67 counties I'll be visiting over the next three months, afterward, I've got Republicans coming up after me saying, Yeah, we're going to vote for you.
But I've got Democrats and Independents saying, I am changing my party affiliation and then sending us screenshots over Instagram afterward, changing their party affiliation so they can vote for our campaign in the closed Republican primary on August 18th.
That is the kind of vision that we need.
Protecting American Jobs and Homes00:11:13
It would not be possible without a lot of people who have really paved the way for this America First vision to be built up.
But I'm honored to be out here meeting with voters, earning their trust.
And I'll tell you, it's not going to be easy.
The America First movement has been burned many a times by slick candidates like Vivek Ramaswamy coming out of nowhere, promising us the world and then falling off the face of the earth.
We have to have real candidates, candidates who are willing, as was the case with President Reagan, to not just ask for that trust, but ask to be verified.
Asked to be vetted.
And I'm never going to ask my state to blindly trust me.
I'm simply going to ask for the opportunity to earn their trust.
We've got eight months to go, and I want to earn every single vote that I can.
That's awesome.
All right.
I'm going to ask you rapid fire questions.
Here we go.
Let's go.
President Trump, he's going to cap 10% interest on credit cards.
Do you like that?
How do you feel about usury?
I'm fully against usury.
The Florida legislature actually passed a law way back in 1891 that prohibited usury above 18%.
And so, as Florida governor, I'll be the First in a generation to actually enforce the usury laws that are already on the books.
Look, oftentimes as a society, we point to a problem and say, we must create a new law to defeat this problem.
What I'm going to do is I'm going to go back to history.
I'm going to go back to the state statutes, going back to the late 1900s if I need to, and the late 19th century, rather, if I need to, and understand what laws are on the books already and enforce those laws that are on the books.
And so I support any measure by President Trump to make it easier.
For people to afford living in America today.
Because I'll tell you, it's very easy to live in America as an illegal immigrant, as an H 1B.
It's very difficult to live in this country right now as an American citizen.
And standing up to usury, it may be unpopular, it may piss off some interests, but at the end of the day, it's the right thing to do.
Amen.
50 year mortgages, how do you feel?
Well, I would start off by calling it the 50 years of usury, to be completely honest.
If you look at the math on the 50 year mortgage, you put down $250,000 over the course of just the first couple of years paying down payments.
And for $250,000 of interest, You'll gain $18,000 of equity.
That is a rigged system against American citizens.
I understand the instinct to want to make it more affordable to buy a home, but financing that over 20 extra years is not the way to do it.
The way to do it here in Florida is to deport every single one of the 1.4 million illegals who are living in single family homes.
It's to ban foreign nationals like Chinese and Canadian from buying single family homes.
It's to ban and force the divestiture of Blackstone owning single family homes.
And what you'll do is you'll bring hundreds of thousands of homes on the market.
There will be a new equilibrium clearing price, and you'll allow people to actually buy homes.
In a very small way, one thing that I'll do is I've already said that the Foolish Republicans and Democrats who send $385 million of taxpayer money to Israel in the form of government bond purchases, I'll divest those via executive order on day one.
And then I'll create something called Rise and Shine, which is a statewide down payment assistance program to help young married couples buy their first home.
If you're young and you're married and one of you is working full time and you've been living in our state for five years, there is a $10,000 check with your name on it for you to buy your first home.
Because in Florida, we recognize that homes are for families, that homes are not merely an asset on the balance sheet.
They are actually a fundamental precondition to be able to start a family, to buy dirt, to put a couple branches on the family tree.
A home is where we celebrate Christmas, Easter, July 4th.
We've got a dog, we've got a family.
We make indelible memories with our kids and with their grandkids and so on and so forth.
And so at the end of the day, I am running because home ownership is essentially existential to what we're building here in America.
Well said.
All right.
AI data centers, why are they a problem?
Why are they immoral?
What are you going to do?
Well, there's a lot of reasons why they're a problem, but right off the bat, the biggest thing is that an AI data center represents somewhere between 500,000 to 1 million new homes in terms of energy.
And so when you bring on that kind of energy demand onto a limited power grid, you get one of two things.
You get higher electric bills for everyone else.
So essentially, locals have to subsidize OpenAI and Elon Musk building out the AI data center.
And then, second, because there's limited bandwidth on the electricity grid, you end up getting rolling blackouts.
So you want South African style energy production.
You're going to get that in a community toward you.
And then I think, at a second point, what ends up happening is what does the AI data center say about us as a state?
Where Citrus Groves once stood, a now massive, monstrous AI data center that makes a Costco look like a 7 Eleven will now stand.
It is going to be ugly.
It is going to threaten the environment.
It is going to be an eyesore.
And these are not hypothetical arguments, these are already materializing in Georgia, in Pennsylvania, in Tennessee, where these AI data centers are being built.
You're seeing higher than expected electric bills.
You're seeing It's affecting the water supply locally.
And again, it's this massive eyesore.
And so I don't think as Floridians, we can pretend that we are something that we are not.
We are a state that has a proud heritage of agriculture, of citrus, of cattle, of space, of the Everglades, of wide open range.
And we cannot lose that for a quick buck via AI data centers.
As Florida governor, I will preempt and block all AI data centers that threaten our water supply and threaten to raise our electric bills.
Well said.
H 1B visas.
What are you going to do?
Are they good?
Are they bad?
What's the solution?
Well, in the words of Cliniswa, they're neither good nor bad.
They are ugly.
And why H 1B visas are really bad is because they sell American workers off to India.
What an H 1B visa does is it allows a foreign third world slave laborer known as an Indian to come in and do the wage, do the job at half price.
And so now an American here in Florida, Jacksonville, Orlando, Fort Lauderdale, wherever.
They get laid off not because they didn't do the job right, but because they got replaced by a third world Indian who was willing to do it cheaper.
I have a very, very strong belief that American jobs are for Americans.
I am not an economic corporatist.
I am an economic nationalist.
I believe that the economy must work for American citizens.
And if it doesn't, then it is not an economy worth envying or worth praising.
I don't care about GDP or the stock market.
I think those are nice to haves.
But the need to have is are our people.
Gainfully employed, not just for the wage that it represents, but for the dignity it imparts on young men and women to be able to have a job, to be self sufficient.
That when you have an income, you're more likely to get married, to have a home, to have kids.
You're less likely to fall victim to the vices of pornography, of addiction, of substance abuse, of all of that.
And so I recognize that a job, once again, is not merely a pay stub or a direct deposit.
It is the beginning of a self disciplined routine that allows men and women.
To really cut their teeth, to really get an understanding of what it means to contribute to their community.
And so, yes, the H 1B program replaces American citizens here in Florida, but it also robs them of their very essence, of their very identity.
And as Florida governor, what I'll do is I'm not playing games with these companies.
They have a very simple choice.
Do you want to have access to the billions of dollars in state contracts, or do you want to keep your H 1Bs?
Because if you are one of the tens of thousands of companies that had access to our state contracts in Tallahassee and you want to keep H 1Bs, You are no longer going to have access to those state contracts.
No state contracts for companies that replace American citizens who have done nothing wrong.
And if we need to, Joel, what we'll end up doing is we'll put a fine on these companies.
So it recalibrates the market price, it removes the arbitrage.
So, for example, you lay off somebody who's making $70,000 a year and replace them with someone who's going to make $35,000 a year.
Guess what?
We're going to fine you $35,000 for that worker.
So now you don't have a choice.
You got $70,000 for the guy you just let go.
Or you've got $70,000 for the H 1B Indian.
At that point, you've reasserted this market equilibrium.
So there's now no cost incentive to replace that young man from Jacksonville with that young woman from Mumbai.
I think that as Florida governor, if I'm judged by one thing and one thing only, is do jobs go to our people or do they not?
I'm sick and tired of these job announcements, these job statistics that, oh, all of a sudden we created a thousand jobs at this factory for Hyundai.
Well, did those jobs go to American citizens or not?
Right.
Because for the longest time, we've touted made in America.
Made in America was the gold standard.
No, no, no, no.
Not those three words.
Let's bring that out to five words made in America by Americans.
We cannot make in America by Indians or by immigrants or by foreigners.
If we're not making in America by Americans, then there's absolutely no point because at the end of the day, we can't make America great again with illegals.
We can't make America great again with H 1Bs, with Chinese, with Indians.
Sure as heck, not with the stealing Somalians.
We have to make America great again with Americans.
Right.
Free market or Americans?
What should be prioritized?
I think the free market is an excellent way to deliver for a free people.
But the truth is that the free market, capitalism, laissez faire economics, that is merely a means to an end.
We're not going to sit here and say, you know what?
We have the freest market in the world.
We are the freest, most capitalist system in the world, while our vets are living on the streets, while young couples are getting outbid by Blackstone, while a young college grad who studied computer science did everything right.
Gets replaced by an Indian H1B.
We can't sit here and say that we are the freest market when our people are afflicted with substance abuse, dying of overdose, have been drawn into lust and pornography.
No, no, the free market is not the goal.
It is a way to achieve the goal, but a free people is the goal a free people of American citizens who are not being replaced by billion dollar private equity firms, by foreign nationals, by illegals, by H 1Bs.
We have to remember that the free market is a vehicle to get to the destination, but a free people, a dignified people, A unified American people is the only goal that we should strive for.
Well said.
Is abortion murder?
Yes.
And there's no compromising for me on abortion.
Abortion is either murder or it isn't.
It's either a Holocaust or it isn't.
It is either the greatest genocide in human history or it isn't.
And so I'm sick and tired of people like Byrone Donald saying things like, we need to compromise and we need a European system of abortion.
He said last year that, quote, abortion is a medical procedure.
No, Byrone, abortion is murder.
And so as Florida governor, I'm going to shut down every single abortion clinic in our state.
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And the reason why is because young women are being captured by the abortion industry, they are being fed the lie that an unexpected, unplanned pregnancy is a curse.
No, every pregnancy is a gift from our Christian God.
And I'm going to stop that slanderous lie dead in its track in our public schools.
But Joel, I am not just going to shut down or perhaps even burn down every single abortion clinic in our state.
I am going to erect a Christian crisis pregnancy center right where that abortion is.
Center once stood.
And the reason why is because when young women are faced with an unexpected pregnancy, they deserve our grace, they deserve our patience, and they deserve the full weight of our community behind them.
I'm reminded that the greatest woman to ever live, the Blessed Virgin, the mother of our Lord and Savior, she too was afflicted with the fear, uncertainty, and doubt of an unplanned, unexpected pregnancy.
And so, if that can affect the mother of our Lord, I believe that it can affect and does affect young women across our state.
And I believe for our sisters, for our nieces, for our neighbors, that we must stand up and treat them with respect, dignity, and patience at a time of what is clearly, unequivocally fear, uncertainty, and doubt, and put the full weight of our community behind her as she navigates this unique circumstance.
Well said.
Next question is two parts, and it takes me just a moment to flesh out.
So humor me for a second.
So, my view of politics, my view of justice, a penal system in terms of dealing with criminals.
I believe the Bible speaks in categories of sin, those things that are virtuous, that are good, those things that are immoral, that are sin.
But not all sins are crimes.
Okay, so coveting is a sin, but coveting is not a crime.
That said, applied to the issue of homosexuality, I believe that homosexuality is unequivocally, in biblical terms, a sin.
That said, in terms of a nation state and how it enforces righteousness and things that please the Lord, I do not believe that we should have a Police system that goes into private homes and is trying to spy on individuals and round them up for things that they're doing that may be sin, is sin in a private quarter.
However, when it comes to public displays, especially formal celebrations and promotions, propaganda, you know, gay pride parades, these kinds of things, drag queen story hour, I think that that breaches from the category of sin now to what would actually be properly categorized as a crime.
So, that idea number one, do you believe that homosexuality is?
A sin?
And number two, would you agree that there is a certain level where it actually should, the state should have sanctions, certain penalties against homosexuality when it becomes public promotions, indoctrination?
Do you agree with what I've just espoused in terms of sin crime distinction?
Joel, I believe that any sexual intimacy that occurs outside of marriage is sinful.
Any and all sexual intimacy.
And I also believe.
That as a Christian, marriage is between one man and one woman.
I'm not going to apologize for that.
That might be something that Republicans have abandoned and said, no, you know, the times are a change.
And as Bob Dylan said, and so we have to adapt, we have to be cool.
Absolutely not.
Our Lord and Savior recognized that no matter what the zeitgeist ended up praising, we had to stand strong.
And so where I stand is that any sexual intimacy outside of marriage is a sin.
Marriage is between one man and one woman.
And a society.
That tries to venerate and exemplify sexual degeneracy is not the society that our founding fathers fought and died for.
Whether it's drag queen story hour, the objectification and commodification of women via OnlyFans, pornography, whatever it may be, I'm running for Florida governor to stop that.
Not just to stop women from abusing themselves or worse yet, being exploited by these online pimps who traffic their bodies via OnlyFans, but also to stop young men from being drawn into.
Lust from having their minds rewired by pornography to the point that they're 30, 35 years old and they don't even know how to talk to a woman because they've gone down so many online rabbit holes.
And so I want to break some news here with you, Joel.
I hadn't planned to do this, but allow me to do it, which is that as Florida governor in year one, I will push for the first of its kind OnlyFans sin tax.
If you are a so called OnlyFans creator in Florida, you are going to pay 50% to the state on whatever you so called earn.
Via that online degeneracy platform.
And that money, that money will be used to fund our education system, will be used to fund the crisis pregnancy centers, will be used to fund the first of its kind mental health czar for men in particular.
Because men, men have been told for far too long that they are guilty of masculinity, that they are guilty of all of society's ills.
I'm not going to stand for that slanderous lie.
What I'm going to do is I am going to end.
This lie that toxic masculinity is responsible for all the sins and ills of society.
If you're an OnlyFans model and you reside in Florida, get ready to pay 50% of your income to the state.
It is called a syntax because it is a sin, number one.
But the purpose of a syntax in economics is to disincentivize and deter a behavior.
And yes, as Florida governor, I don't want young women who could otherwise be mothers, raising families, rearing children.
I don't want them.
To be selling their bodies to sick men online.
And I don't want young, impressionable men who have strayed from Christ, who have strayed from our Lord and Savior, to be told and drawn into lust and have their entire brain rewired.
We will raise hundreds of millions of dollars of income on the OnlyFans syntax.
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And if we don't, Joel, if we don't raise that income, you know what it'll mean?
It will mean something even greater has materialized for the young women and young men of our state that the OnlyFans industry.
And its supporters, and you know who those supporters are, Joel, that its supporters will have been utterly robbed of their ability to rob us, not just of our hard earned wages, but of our commitment to Christ.
Well said.
Okay, a couple more questions, then I'll let it go.
Here's one.
And this one I'll show my hand as well.
And it's not a gotcha question.
So I'll let you know what I'm thinking here.
But what is a Heritage American?
And is Vivek, I understand it's a separate state in Ohio, but is Vivek Ramaswamy, would he fit into that category of a Heritage American?
For me, I'm going to say no to that second part of the question.
I don't believe that he is a Heritage American.
And in terms of what I view as a Heritage American, and this is where, you know, some of my constituents, some of my followers would say, oh man, Joel's a lib.
For me, a Heritage American would be somebody who is third generation or more in America, and not somebody who just came over 15 minutes ago.
I do believe that Heritage American stretches broader than just those of European descent, those who are white, although I do believe that that is the bedrock, that the WASP, this white Anglo Saxon Protestant, is the makeup of the foundation of America, that it should be preserved, it should be esteemed, it should be protected.
So, white heritage Americans, I think, are vital and that that is the majority.
But I would include others.
I think of Clarence Thomas.
I would say that he would be within that framework of a heritage American.
I would say Vivek is not, because regardless of where he was personally born, he is an anchor baby.
His parents were not born here.
So, he is first generation actually born in the United States of America.
He kind of made his name in scamming, which.
You know, you're not beating the stereotypes of Indians in that regard.
So that's where I'm at.
I don't think that he is a heritage American.
I don't appreciate him every Christmas for two years, like it's a tradition now, two years in a row, lecturing heritage Americans of what it actually means to be an American as a non American himself.
What do you think about that concept of heritage American?
How do you think it applies to someone like Vivek Ramaswamy?
Well, for the longest time, our friends on the left.
When we asked them what is a woman, they said a woman is someone who identifies as a woman.
The paperwork said it, Joel.
The ID says it.
He, she identifies the way he or she identifies.
And I guess that same twisted, perverted logical fallacy is exactly the kind of slot that one Vivek Ramaswamy is trafficking in after two back to back Christmas crash outs on heritage Americans and American identity.
You ask Vivek Ramaswamy what is an American, and he says an American is someone who identifies.
As American, someone who has filled out the paperwork, who has pledged their allegiance to meritocracy or colorblindness or our constitutional republic.
And any other follow up is met with, you're a bigot.
Let me be very clear Vivek Ramaswamy's parents, neither of whom were citizens of this country when he was born, makes him definitionally, categorically, an anchor baby.
But that's not the point.
The point is that someone who is an American unequivocally is someone who loves America.
So, right off the bat, you cannot love America if you've been here for 15 minutes.
If you broke our laws, if you have contempt for your fellow Americans, you just can't.
And so I think this idea of heritage American, if you think about it just purely on definition, a heritage American is someone who stretches back the exact number of generations.
I'm sure, Joel, you and I could debate.
I would actually consider foundational Black Americans, of course, as heritage Americans.
They've been here much longer than Mr. Ramaswamy has, and they've actually contributed to our country.
Secondarily, I think the issue of American identity nowadays is that simply identifying with American values, whatever that means, does not make you an American.
That nine year old Somalian girl who came here, came to Minneapolis, known nowadays as Mogadishu, and said that we, we, Joel, are living on stolen land, she is technically an American citizen now.
Well, how is on earth that possible if she's lecturing us and holding contempt out for her brothers and sisters all across this country?
I think what we have to remember.
Is that we are not an economic zone.
We are not a free trade area.
We are not a Dubai, a Singapore, or a Hong Kong.
We are a nation.
And a nation is built, yes, around ideals, but it's also built around a people, an identity, a Christian identity, first and foremost.
And so the way I think about my state is that my father was born and raised here.
My grandfather fought in World War II and then ran cattle out of Okeechobee.
His father, my great grandfather, fought in World War I.
And ran a small hotel on Fort Lauderdale Beach.
My mother came here from South America, met my father in the early 1990s, and is a proud American who stands for the pledge just as my father does and recites those words.
In fact, growing up, my mom's fluent, of course, in Spanish.
That was her first language.
I'm fluent in Spanish as well.
But my mom, it was not my father's idea, it was her idea that we not speak Spanish at home, that we actually speak English because she recognized that while she was born in South America, She was an American citizen now.
She was committed to raising my sister and me in an American household.
And that was what we signed up for.
And so I'm really proud, of course, my father's side of the family, but also my mother's side of the family, many of whom still live in South America.
I get to visit them every year or so because my mother recognized that when she was moving here, she was now leaving behind not just her nationality, her citizenship in South America, but her identity, her language to the point where she was going to raise.
My sister and me exclusively on English.
Now, of course, my extended family speaks Spanish.
I speak Spanish with them when I go down and visit.
But I think that this idea of people like Vivek, people coming to our country, whether it's H 1Bs or Afghan nationals or whomever, especially illegals, and lecturing us about our way of life and how our country has gone wrong, that is completely unacceptable.
I'm running for Florida governor for the very simple reason that it's very difficult to be an American in America today.
Very, very easy to be an illegal, very easy to be an Afghan national to get your food stamps, your Obamaphone, your EBT.
Your welfare.
But if you're an American citizen and you fall on hard times, the state lectures you.
And Ben Shapiro comes out of the bushes and says, Young white men, pull yourself up from the bootstraps.
I believe in individual accountability, responsibility, and agency.
But I also believe that the state and our communities have a role in not just asking our citizens to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, but also to extend a hand and pull them up.
And I'll tell you, Joel, that is not communism.
That is Christianity.
And that's the way that I will lead as Florida governor.
Well said.
Whites, should they remain?
A majority here in these United States, and what happens the moment that whites become a minority?
Well, the very simple way to think about it is if you were to kill every single white person in America and replace them with an Indian national from Calcutta, would it still be America?
And of course, the answer is absolutely not.
I think that it's important to recognize that our founding fathers were white, they were Christian, and they were men.
And any attempt, whether it's via a public school history teacher to distort that truth or a Google AI chatbot, when you ask them to generate an image of our founding fathers and it looks like A set of a Migos music video in Atlanta, but that is not exactly accurate, but it's also insulting.
It's insulting to our country.
What I respect about foundational Black Americans, and I might disagree with them on a lot, especially on the issue of reparations, but that's okay.
You're not going to agree with everyone on everything, is that they don't pretend that our country was anything other than a country that founding fathers who were white Christian men ended up starting.
Now, they are part of our history, they are part of our story.
But at the end of the day, I think that the foundational stock of America historically has been white.
And then in any country, whether it's China or Brazil or, of course, India, That if you eliminated the founding stock from being the majority of the country, if you said, well, the Han Chinese ceased to live in China, it wouldn't be China.
If you said that Indians ceased to live in India, it wouldn't be India.
And of course, if white Christians ceased to make up the majority of America, you could hardly call it America anymore.
I think the bigger point, though, is how do we create an economy that actually separates American citizens who have been treated like second class citizens for far too long from the rest of this third world foreign labor that comes into our schools?
Takes our jobs, buys our homes, and replaces us and denies us our very existence in our own country.
That's what the bigger fight here is about.
And that's exactly why I'm running for Florida governor.
Well said.
All right.
I'm going to put you on the spot here.
I'm going to ask you one more question and then I'm going to start to push back a little bit and see what your explanation is because we have people who, you know, they want to know.
They're open.
Debate is good, Joel.
Yeah, it is.
It is.
We have, I think, you know, the general sentiment of guys who follow us and myself included.
This would be, you know, a description of me personally is I want to believe, help my unbelief, I want to believe that there is someone who actually cares about Americans, somebody who actually cares about white people and is not going to discriminate against us, somebody who's actually going to be America first and not Israel first, somebody who's going to do things that secure a future for me, my family, my children.
And yet, you know this, we all know this, we have been disappointed so many times.
Times.
And so it merits asking so that our listeners can hear it from you and make up their own minds whether or not they believe you.
All you can do is give an answer, and then it's up to them to exercise discernment and decide whether or not you're telling the truth.
So I'm going to ask a couple questions about your transition because we have to admit that it seems as though some of these changes in perspective and emphases and priorities are rather recent.
And so I'm going to ask that.
But first, this I did not prep you for, I did not tell you was coming.
But I'm just curious, Nicholas J. Fuentes, if he endorsed you, how would you respond?
Would you respond?
Would you view that as a liability?
Or would you be grateful for his support?
What do you think?
Well, Joel, I am grateful for anyone in the country exercising their First Amendment rights.
I think if anyone has any disagreement with anything, anyone, including when Nicholas J. Fuentes says, They're welcome to air that disagreement publicly.
This attempt to cancel, censor, or tone police American citizens, we rejected it from the left, and I'll equally reject it from the right.
To be very honest with you, I'm not in the business of soliciting endorsements from anyone who does not live in the state of Florida.
That would apply to quite literally every single person outside of the state.
I think that my opponent, Byron Donalds, has focused a lot of his time soliciting endorsements from the likes of Ted Cruz and Chip Roy and Dan Crenshaw and Mike Johnson and wants to ram that down their throats.
Of Florida voters and say, you know what?
Ted Cruz got back from Cancun and now wants you to vote for me.
I recognize that the best endorsement I can get is from voters themselves.
So I'm going to travel the state.
I'm going to meet with voters face to face.
They deserve to ask me tough questions, as I'm sure you will hear shortly.
And they deserve to see how I'm going to respond.
Look, the idea that any politician should be blindly trusted after we've gotten burned these last couple of years, that applies to me too.
And so I don't want anyone to blindly trust me.
I don't know that I can earn anyone's trust.
Over a 30 minute conversation, I think that every voter has to, yes, take me and hear what I say and watch my interview with you or with Tucker or whomever, and then follow me very closely over the next seven to eight months.
And when the media pushes me, when I get pushed back or tone policed, or my policies might distance myself or push back from a donor, how do I respond when a donor rips up a hundred thousand dollar check because I refuse to disavow a fellow American?
How do I respond in that moment?
Well, we know how the other people respond.
How will I respond?
I can't predict how I'm going to respond.
All I can do is watch very closely my every single move.
If I have the opportunity to earn your trust and earn your vote, I'll be grateful.
And if I don't, it'll be no hard feelings.
Yep.
Okay.
Barry Weiss.
All right.
So now we're getting to you changing your views.
And I think that's one of the main complaints that I've seen from people, or at least, you know, if not a complaint, at least a, I think, a genuine, fair concern is all right, he's parroting.
The right talking points.
His rhetoric is right.
What he's campaigning on, that's right.
But how do we trust him?
Because it seems as though it's a recent change.
So, Barry Weiss, how do we feel?
How do we feel about that?
How do I feel about Barry Weiss is a really interesting one.
So, I cold called, cold email, technically, buried Weiss in April of 2023.
I was writing a high school debate article about how high school debate had gone woke.
Where white students were told that they needed to apologize to black students before the round.
They were forced to share evidence with black students, but black students didn't have to in the name of equity.
Where a young student was disqualified from the Stanford tournament because that student used the word illegal immigrant as opposed to undocumented migrant.
And so I pitched that to Barry Weiss.
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I'm grateful that the Free Press published it.
But Barry Weiss and I have rarely agreed on anything politically, including and especially the issue of Israel.
I've never been paid by Barry Weiss or worked for her.
I wrote some op eds for her.
I think the bigger question, though, for me is how my views on Israel have changed.
And look, I'll be the first person to say, heck yeah, they've changed.
After October 7th, of course, like many Americans, I was repulsed to see this attack on innocent life, not just Israelis, but also foreigners, Americans, Cambodians, Laos, Thai, who just happened to be at the country at the time, either living or working.
And so I was unequivocally disgusted by what happened on October 7th.
And then over the coming, the subsequent years, I got, I guess, it was one of those gradually, then suddenly moments.
You know, gradually seeing the news feed through, and you know, skeptically, the very left wing people who had lied to us for so long were saying this was war crime, this was genocide, this was famine.
But what really did it for me, Joel, was the bombing of the Holy Family Catholic Church in Gaza City.
That was really the wake up moment.
And I got to say, you know, I take responsibility because that was really selfish of me to say, look, I'm not going to care about this issue until it's Christians who are being slaughtered.
And that was quite literally the truth.
I didn't really hone in on the issue until my own people had been the victims.
Of this aggression of these war crimes.
And so my views on Israel have changed a lot.
I think that we should welcome that evolution in people.
But I've been a person who's, for better or worse, been a registered Republican since I was in high school.
Not that that means anything nowadays.
But yeah, I'll be the first to admit that my views on Israel have changed a ton to the point now where the Israeli media has called me a threat, where Benjamin Netanyahu was meeting with my political opponent, Jay Collins, who will be announcing later this afternoon, he's now challenging me for governor.
And Miriam Adelson, of course, the darling of Tel Aviv, has said that she is raising a war chest against me.
And so I am someone who recognizes that when the facts change, I will change with them.
And I was wrong on Israel before.
And I now understand where that issue now stands today.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well said.
The Adelsons, even here in our great state of Texas, they continue to pose a massive problem trying to set up in the DFW area a casino that would attract, like a magnet, the worst of the worst.
It would draw all kinds of things aside from gambling and degeneracy in that regard, but also drug traffic.
It would just further impoverish people in that area.
And there are a lot of good guys on the ground, local city council and guys like that, that we know, that we appreciate who have been fighting against them.
But it seems like everywhere the Adelsons go, everything that they give their money to, if you vote for the opposite, you'll probably be making a good decision.
All right, so I'm going to leave it there.
We're going to go to super chats here in a moment.
But first, I want to give Wesley and Antonio, my co host, A moment because I've uh I took most of the time here because I had a series of questions that I wanted to ask and I appreciate your answers.
But Wesley and Antonio, do you have anything for James?
Yeah, James, thanks for coming on.
And I just wanted to point out for the listener, I've worked in politics and worked on campaigns, and something politicians do that you don't do is they'll promise something that's not whatsoever in their purview to accomplish.
I think of Zorhan Mamdani, who promised free child care in New York City.
Well, the state legislature sets the budget so he can promise that all he wants and people can vote for him on the premise of that promise.
But as we're seeing right now, there's no take backs.
There's going to be no way he's going to be able to accomplish free childcare for everyone in New York City who wants it.
But I want to point out the difference when you talked about the H 1B visa program.
H 1B visas is a federal issue.
You, if you were elected governor of Florida, you wouldn't have the opportunity to change federal work structures like that.
But you did say, here's what I can do.
This is an issue, it's outside of my purview, but let's get creative.
And what I can do is address these state contracts and these companies that have.
What bring in these workers?
They want the money that comes from these contracts, and here's what I can do if I was given that authority, given that power to do so.
So, I just wanted to point that out to the listener.
Much of what James is saying here, he's backing it up by saying, and I would actually have the authority to do this as governor.
I'm not the legislator, I can't necessarily control what it is that they put on my desk, but this I can control, this I can do something about.
Here's where I can make a difference there, and so I just wanted to commend you for that.
Thank you, Wes.
I appreciate it.
And I think that's what we want, right, from our elected officials, those seeking higher offices.
Okay, you're telling us the what, tell us the how for once, tell us the how, right?
And I've actually studied these issues over the last couple of months.
I'm reminded of a Supreme Court case, which was utterly unanimous in 1976 to Connors v. Beca, which found that states do have the authority and the compelling state interest to regulate immigration around employment fines.
And so, what California tried to do, believe it or not, in the mid 1970s, if you can imagine that California tried to stand up to illegal labor, is that they passed a law to fine employers for hiring illegals.
And the Supreme Court found in this unanimous decision that states do have sweeping authority to pass laws that, while affecting federal immigration law purview via workers, they can and do have a compelling and legal interest to enforce state law around federal employment visas.
And so I look forward to using this constitutional authority.
And at the end of the day, I think you said it fast, and I'm going to use that line if you don't mind, Wesley, which is let's get creative, right?
I'm not going to sit here and say that's not my problem because federalism, because the federal government, no, no, no.
The state governments created the federal government.
The 10th Amendment is the most underrated of the Bill of Rights because what it says is that authority that is not explicitly enumerated to the feds is reserved for the states and her people.
And I'm going to, I know that Clavicular likes to look smacks.
There's a guy on my team called Zach who likes to polo max.
I am going to state's rights max.
I am going to use every single tool in my toolbox to protect our workers and to assert our sovereignty over the federal government.
I don't care what the DC bureaucrats who are Republicans who are trying to ram down our throats want us to do.
And I also understand that there's a prospect that one Gavin Newsom could be president in 2028.
And I sure as heck don't want Gavin and his team of bandits to try to ram stuff down our throats.
And so I recognize that what we're going to do is going to be creative.
In many respects, it's going to be unprecedented.
It's going to, in many respects, also challenge existing Supreme Court precedent around things like abortion, around things like immigration law in our public schools.
And what I say is, one of the greatest blessings that President Trump bequeathed us with was a conservative Supreme Court.
We'll see the ACLU.
We'll see CARE.
We'll see all you guys in federal court.
And guess what?
We'll appeal it all the way to the Supreme Court, where we will win either 6 3 or 5 4, depending on how she.
Is feeling that day, and I think we know who we're talking about, but at the end of the day, we've got to be very honest that our job is to not say we're going to do things, it is to actually do things.
It's as if you told, you know, I've told someone on my team, for example, the other day, I said, Can we go get some pizza?
And you know, the pizza place we were going to go to was closed, but then he didn't stop him, he just went over to another pizza place and didn't make the excuse that, oh, well, this pizza place closed early, so we couldn't get pizza.
No, the job, the task was to get pizza, do not come back here unless there is pizza for this group.
And so, my job.
It is to make Florida great.
It is not to make excuses.
And I'm always going to stand by that edict.
Well said.
Antonio.
Yep.
James, thanks for coming on.
Just one question for me, I think, before we go to super chats.
I think our listeners would appreciate your articulation of the, you would say, the GOP landscape in Florida specifically, but perhaps the GOP landscape nationally as you think about MAGA.
Fighting For Citizenship Capitalism00:07:36
And I think what your platform represents, which is a more sort of America first sort of position with respect to some of the policy descriptions around sort of corporate interests and immigration, those sorts of things.
Yeah, what do you make of it?
Especially, I think, as you consider sort of MAGA and where MAGA will go as the GOP tries to find an identity outside of Trump.
I mean, thinking beyond the elections in 2026.
Yeah, so if you could give us a rundown of that, I think we'd appreciate it.
So I think the debate is framed often online as MAGA versus America First.
Now, I think we all know what those terms mean and your viewers do, but for the average person sitting at home, they don't know what MAGA means or America First, and they probably, in many respects, support both.
I think the issue is that our Our party now has been torn asunder, and there's two real camps to it.
There is what we call economic capitalism and citizenship capitalism.
If your goal of capitalism is to make the economy, which is to say GDP, the stock market, nominal GNP, all of that, if your goal is to elevate that as your North Star, that is economic capitalism.
That is effectively what we've had for 25 years now from George Bush to Mitt Romney, even to Barack Obama.
That is economic capitalism.
What I am fighting for as Florida governor is citizenship capitalism.
An economy that is unapologetically free market, but one that advances the free market for the benefit, the exclusive benefit of citizens.
And so, my central question around economic policymaking is this Does this economic policy benefit, which is to say, help young men and women get married and buy a home?
In 1960, half of 30 year old men were married, which is to say, 30 year old women were married, half of 30 year old men were married and owned their home.
Today, Less than 15% of 30 year old men are married and own their home.
And the reason why is because, among other reasons, our economic system has lost sight of what we do to measure economic prosperity.
If we're going to measure economic prosperity by how much scam Altman is going to be investing in AI data centers, that is the wrong way to measure it.
If we're going to measure it on stock prices or GDP or whatever economic statistic will flash on the Bloomberg terminal on Tuesday morning, that will be the wrong way to measure it.
I think we think about economic policymaking around that very question.
Does this policy help young people get married and buy a home?
So, for example, an AI data center fails that test for two reasons because it actually raises electric bills and makes home ownership less likely on the margins.
And also, it doesn't create real local, great paying jobs.
It brings in 40 or 50 highly specialized workers, oftentimes from overseas or out of state, to take those jobs.
And so, to the very question of whether or not we should vote up or down in an AI data center, if you view it through the lens of does it help young people get married?
And buy a home, it by definition fails on both tests.
And so I think the real division, the dichotomy in the Republican Party today is that between economic capitalism and citizenship capitalism.
If we take Pat Buchanan's view of the economy, which is, yeah, capitalism, whatever, but let's use that as a vehicle to advance liberty, prosperity, and dignity for American citizens.
That is the kind of vision that I support.
And that's why I'm running for Florida governor, because I'll tell you, Republicans and Democrats have been disaffected and disturbed.
By the uniparty establishment for too long.
They're sick and tired of being lectured about their grocery bills.
And inflation used to be five, and now it's only three.
You're only getting screwed over by 3% a year in rising prices as opposed to five.
They're told that if they complain about the fact that they don't have a job, that the stock market, they're reminded that the stock market has made a new all time higher, that GDP is now at 4.3%.
Well, guess what?
Folks in Jacksonville, Pensacola, Pahokia, where I grew up in Broward County, we don't eat GDP for dinner.
The stock market isn't going to pay our electric bills, and we are sick.
And tired of choosing between rent and prescription drugs.
We need an America First candidate who's going to fight, yes, for Republicans, but also for Democrats, Antonia, because at the end of the day, there is not a gas price for Republicans and a gas price for Democrats.
There is not a mortgage rate for those who voted for Barack Hussein Obama and a mortgage rate for those who voted for President Trump.
There is a mortgage rate for all Americans, a gas price for all Floridians.
I am running because honestly, I understand a lot of Democrats are frustrated, and they're not just frustrated with the Republican Party.
They're frustrated with the Democrat Party.
And that's why I've been honored to have countless voters already across the state change their party affiliation from independent to Republican or Democrat to Republican.
Because to vote for me and our vision on August 18th in the closed primary, you have to be registered as a Republican.
The truth is, the next governor of Florida is going to be a Republican.
Donald Trump won this state by 13 points.
Ron DeSantis, before him for governor, won by 20 points.
The next governor of Florida.
Without a doubt, it is going to be a Republican.
And so, if you're waiting to vote until November, you're allowing the system to disenfranchise you because your vote will not count.
The only vote that matters here in Florida is on August 18th, 2026.
It is James Fishback versus Byrone Donalds.
It is America First versus America Last.
It is Cattle and Citrus versus AI Data Centers.
The great replacement, free speech, and the dignity of our neighbors is on the ballot.
I would be honored to earn your vote on August 18th.
You just have to make sure you are registered as a Republican, and you can do that online right now for free.
James Fishback, last and final question.
Are you ready right now to pledge your undying allegiance and give an unapologetic endorsement of this book, The Hyphenated Heresy, Judeo Christianity?
I need to hear it.
I am looking forward to reading it.
I've already ordered my copy.
I am looking forward to reading it when I stop going from Holiday and Express to Holiday and Express on the campaign trail.
Eating McDonald's and Waffle House.
But I look forward to reading it.
I think it's a really important book that challenges the status quo in a way that it needs to be.
I want to be very clear this country was built on Christian values, not Judeo Christian values.
None of our founding fathers were Jewish.
And that is not a diss.
That is not disrespect for my Jewish friends anywhere in Florida.
It is just a fact.
And so to use a line that is often trafficked by one Benjamin Shapiro, facts don't care about your feelings.
It is a fact that our country was built by Christian.
Men.
And I'm sick and tired of the history books, the teachers' unions, and including and especially the political commentators on the right trying to distort that history.
It was wrong.
It was wrong for Democrats to distort history with the 1619 Project.
And it is equally as wrong for Republicans to ram the Judeo Christian lie down our throats.
I have respect for my Jewish friends, I have respect for their faith and their religion.
But at the end of the day, we were built as a Christian country.
Our First Amendment protects the rights of Everyone to worship in their own individual way.
But I'm an unapologetic Christian.
I believe that Christ is King.
My life verse is Luke 6 46.
Why do you call me Lord, Lord, and not do as I say?
I think that I, as a Christian, and many others have struggled with this idea that yes, we believe in a Christian God, but we often stray from those precepts, from those teachings, from those commandments.
And I'm an imperfect man.
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I'll be the first to acknowledge that.
I'm often asked, how can you revive Christian faith across your state?
I don't know that we can pass a law.
Or pass additional funding to do that.
But my commitment is what I've been doing for the last two years, I'll do for the next four, and hopefully for reelection before and after that.
You will see me and my wife and my kids every single Sunday in the Christian pews professing that Jesus Christ is Lord.
Because if you want to be a Christian nation again, you need our leaders to be unapologetically Christian in every single thing that they do.
Amen.
All right.
James, thanks for your time.
We appreciate it.
We're going to go to a final word, some.
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Dapper Dan.
Yep, Dapper Dan, 1993, sent $10 and is asking any thoughts pertaining to the fact that the ICE agent in Minneapolis shot twice from the side of the car when he wasn't in danger?
I voted for them to deport illegals, not to shoot white people.
I think there's a question that came in before our disclaimer.
Our disclaimer around.
We'll have to save that for another time.
Appreciate you, Dappy Dan.
We'll get to it another time.
Let's keep going.
Okay, so we'll jump to the next one.
Chris Tisking, 12256, sent $10 and says, This channel has been banger after banger ever since it started.
I'm skeptical of fishback, but he's really winning me over.
You guys are all killing it.
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This dude, Rock, sent $5.
Fishback, addressed James.
Fishback, what would you say the center right and farther right wing's greatest political blind spots are?
The pendulum won't stay in our corner forever.
Again, James, this is for you.
I'll just read it one more time.
What would you say the center right and farther right wing's greatest political blind spots are?
It's probably that as long as it's not illegal, immigration is good.
And this idea that, well, we're going to build the wall, but it's going to have a big, beautiful door, or that, as my opponent Byron Donald said last year, that we want anyone from anywhere to come here so long as they're going to contribute.
No, absolutely not.
We don't.
The mass invasion of our country, whether it's illegal or legal, which is to say, blessed by the uniparty in DC, that is wrong.
And so, what I want to see from more and more from my party and the platform I'm running on is that no, the mass invasion is wrong.
The Haitians in Springfield were actually here legally, they were given temporary protected status in 2010 after the devastating earthquake in Port au Prince.
The Afghan Sikko, who shot two National Guards members right before Thanksgiving last year, was here legally.
And I don't need to remind anybody that the 9 11 hijackers were also here in our country legally.
And so I believe that, one, we were not a nation of immigrants.
I believe that immigrants have played a historic role in our country, a historical role as well.
But at the end of the day, what worked in the 1970s and 80s does not work today because, in large part, the legal immigrants who came to our country via Ellis Island weren't handed an Obamaphone, EBT, or Snapchat.
They were actually given the opportunity to earn, to pull themselves up, and they actually assimilated.
The third world migrants coming here today, whether they are given legal status or not, they refuse to assimilate.
They refuse to contribute.
They act as if they're entitled to everything, but in all honesty, they give nothing in return.
Well said.
Wes, can you take the next one?
All right.
We got a super chat from Jonathan Perez.
He said, Thanks to the NXR guys for taking an interest in our Florida governor race.
The content has been fire lately.
James, when will you be in Naples?
I will be in Naples next month.
So, we have a full 67 tour, 67 county tour set up.
But I think you guys can appreciate with security and with literally Israel calling me a threat in their own media, I want to be cognizant of not giving people too much heads up.
So, we're announcing all events about two to three days beforehand.
I'm in St. Augustine today.
So, if you're in St. Augustine, go to my X or my Instagram and you can see exactly where we're going to be.
We're going to be at the Applebee's, no $3 margaritas for Joel Webbin, though.
And we will be there and I'll be taking questions directly from voters.
I don't do the typical stump speech.
I talk for four or five minutes and then I just take questions from anybody and everybody.
I will not leave any of our venues until I've answered every single question.
Floridians deserve a governor they can see, talk to, and even debate with.
And that's why I'm running.
Great.
All right.
Next one comes from Caleb.
And he says, Thank you, Mr. Fishback and Mr. Weben and Co. for doing this.
What does James make of his background working in the Jewish finance scene and their pro Israel allies enclave in Florida?
Are they opponents?
James, what do you think?
I think anyone who fuels the great replacement of American workers, who financializes our economy, who lets single family homes get sold and hoarded by Blackstone or Black Rot, I think anyone of any background is an opponent to making America great again and putting America first.
And so I am running to stand up for every single Floridian, wherever you are, wherever you live, however you pray.
I'm an unapologetic Christian.
I hope you'll come to Christ, but I'm running for governor so I can make your life a little bit easier.
And a lot more affordable.
And that starts with standing up to a financial industry that for far too long has commodified and financialized every single aspect of our life.
We have to get back to basics.
And honestly, our future is not in the future, our future is in the past.
We have done this before.
We have a blueprint to help young men get ahead, we have a blueprint to help a family raise their four kids on a single income.
We have a blueprint to preserve our identity and ensure that America is for Americans.
And so I don't want to look to Singapore, Dubai, or Hong Kong.
I want to look to our own state, our own country, our own past, because if we did it before, we can do it again.
Well said.
Next one is from Hear Me Roar.
And it's a picture of a woman.
So it's not my favorite, but we'll go ahead and read it anyways.
They said, Why just young married couples?
What about single parents, low income, disabilities, veterans?
Yeah.
The username in the description.
That's a great question.
Checking out.
But go ahead.
That is a really good question.
And the reason why we're going to do young married couples, to be clear, I want to make sure housing is affordable for everyone.
If you're struggling with a disability, if you're a former veteran, whatever the case may be, I want to make sure that you have the ability to not just buy your home, but to afford to stay and live and exist in your home.
And so what I'll say is that our Rise and Shine program is to help young married couples for the very simple reason that I think marriage is in crisis in this country.
If you show me the incentive, I'll show you the outcome.
That's a Principle from economics, but applies to everyday life.
There is every incentive for young people not to get married as opposed to get married.
Our welfare system, our social safety net, unemployment assurance, SNAP, EBT, the entire economic apparatus is structured in a way that disincentivizes marriage because it pays you more to be single as opposed to be in a God fearing covenant.
And so I want to tip the scales the other way.
I want to create an economic system that actually incentivizes marriage.
And I want to help, yes, young women, but also I got to sit some of these young men down and say, guys, get real, stop sleeping around.
Close out your OnlyFans account, put down the blunt, go back to church, rediscover Christ.
That is the way we're going to revive our identity as Floridians.
And if that means creating a specific economic incentive that tells young men and young women that it's time to settle down, quit playing games, put down the nonsense, and actually get real about your relationship, then there is a $10,000 down payment assistance check with your name on it.
But I'm not going to create an economic system that continues to celebrate, exemplify, and incentivize.
This singlehood situation, ship sleeping around.
No.
What made Florida great was the covenant and the governance of marriage.
And we have to get back to that.
And Rise and Shine is one of many programs that will help people afford a home.
But this program in particular is exclusively for young married couples.
Amen.
That's good.
That's part of the problem with not just Florida or a singular state, but just with our country as a whole is that we're constantly degrading everything down to the lowest common denominator.
And so essentially, what we've done is we've made the footnote the headline.
We've made the exception the norm.
And we continue to subsidize and favor and promote and handhold all of the most difficult situations to the utter neglect of God's ideal.
And then we wonder why nobody's striving for the ideal.
So none of this is a lack of compassion.
If I can just add on to what James is saying, it's not that we don't care for single moms.
It's not that we don't care for the disenfranchised and for those who are down on their luck and having a hard time.
But what we're saying is that for decades now, that's really all of who we've cared for as a nation.
All of our attention, all of our resources, all of our emphasis has gone towards a group of individuals who, in some cases, were really done unjustly.
They really were mistreated.
They really are victims.
And in other cases, there's Tons of people who are simply scamming the system or they're in a difficult situation.
And although we're sympathetic and compassionate, it is ultimately their responsibility for why they're there.
Nobody did it to them, they did it to themselves.
Meanwhile, the one group of people that are, you know, like the meme, you know, that are like drowning on the bottom of the pool, you know, just a skeleton, long forgotten and neglected, are the people who are trying to follow the word of God and do things the way that the Bible.
Tells us, and for once, it would be nice to give a little bit of focus to them.
The next question comes from Commander Tun.
He said, Love, or she, I don't know if it's, I don't know, but this individual said, I love the OnlyFans syntax.
How do you mobilize the boomers to vote for you?
It's mega frustrating to me that the boomers don't seem to care about young people's concerns.
What do you think, James?
You know, I get that line a lot that the boomers don't care.
I think that, I don't think it's true.
I think that we have to frame it, we have to message it in a way that, One shows that they're actually on the hook because if young people don't get jobs, can't buy a home, they're going to continue to be dependent on not just taxpayers, but family members who are older.
And that creates a real dependency trap, both financially and culturally.
And so, how do you win the boomers?
How do you win anybody?
Is you just show up.
And that's what I'm doing.
That's why I've got 67 counties on the map for the next three months.
That's why I'm living out of a Holiday and Express, eating at Waffle House and McDonald's, because I've got to meet every single voter I can.
Get this message to them and recognize that they may not agree with me at first.
They may be apprehensive at first, but my goal is to quite honestly not take no for an answer and make sure that we can get this message directly to them because I think our message resonates with everyone.
The issue, especially of eliminating property tax look, if you're 60, 65, 70 years old, you've already bought your home.
You're not renting it from the government.
And so I'm running for governor to eliminate property taxes, yes, for our seniors who deserve to be able to retire with dignity, but also for our young couples because it's not just enough.
To be able to get that down payment to buy that home and to move in, you also have to have a path to be able to continue to afford that home and to not get evicted.
And so when you got a $7,000, $10,000 property tax bill due every single year for as far as the eye can see, that challenges your ability to stay in that home, to stay married, and to keep raising your kids.
And so I'm eliminating property taxes for every single Florida resident because it helps our seniors retire with dignity and it helps our young people start off on the right track.
Well said.
Well said.
The next one comes from username GeoGasserR1B, and they say Russia facilitates Christian persecuted migrants.
To this day, there are a lot of European stock families in Africa and South America.
I would like to know if Fishback would implement something similar.
Could you repeat it again?
Sorry.
Yep.
It's admittedly not very clear.
They're saying so Russia facilitates Christian persecuted migrants.
I think they mean to say immigrants or.
Refugees, persecution.
Right, and so they say to this day there are a lot of European stock families in Africa and South America.
I would like to know if Fishback would implement or perhaps even just support something similar in the United States and Florida specifically.
I think the persecution of any people across the world is vile, but I think the most virulent persecution that is the most tolerated by the UN establishment is that of white Christians, especially in places like South Africa.
And so I pray for my brothers and sisters in Christ who are being persecuted wherever they are.
In the world.
My job as Florida governor, to be completely honest, is I don't have authority over facilitating immigration.
Quite honestly, if I did, I'm not bringing anybody else in because the people who have a right to exist are the people right here in Florida, the third generation citrus farmers that I was meeting with in Frostproof just two weeks ago, the cattle ranchers in Okeechobee, the anglers in Southwest Florida and on the Gulf of America.
They deserve a right to exist.
And right now, quite honestly, Florida is full.
We are full.
We don't have any room for any other person other than our own.
And I'm running for Florida governor to take care of the people who put our state on the map.
Yep, that's right.
Lectus, ex Lectus is the next one.
What?
Yeah, we'll get to that one.
Sorry, we'll have to get to it another time.
Okay, let's keep going.
We've got Bob, thy log, something like that.
Wes, will you read this one?
All right.
Bob said, Can't wait to see you, James, in St. Augustine later today.
Is it true that you have a 200K lien against your personal possessions and had your Tesla repossessed earlier last year?
It is.
It is.
I'm not going to hide from that.
So, my former boss, hedge fund billionaire, I'll accept responsibility for what I did.
What I did was, I worked at a hedge fund for two and a half years.
And instead of doing the noble thing, which is to start your own firm at the end of the year, not in the middle of the summer, I just abruptly left in the middle of the year and left my entire team and my boss with all of these convoluted macro positions that I was running.
And that wasn't fair.
And that was not okay.
And as a result of that, there were numerous frivolous lawsuits filed against me.
I filed the first one against him for.
Wage discrimination and for being underpaid, and all of that.
But I think this is just emblematic of the system that we live in nowadays that you can't just move on from a job.
Yes, I should not have left in the middle of the year.
And no, probably my boss should not have sued me for millions of dollars, knowing full well that I couldn't pay it, simply in an attempt to get back at me into exact revenge for the crime of leaving in the middle of the year and starting my own business.
And so I accept full responsibility.
My boss was able to convince a New York judge, which is to say everything you know about that, a New York judge that I owe him his legal fees because that's how my Non compete agreement with structure to my employment agreement.
And so that's that.
But to tell you the truth, I'm not rich and I don't aspire to be.
I never have been.
I am running because I love my state.
And at the end of the day, my own situation is not one that I'm particularly caring about.
I care about the folks who are struggling to make sure that they can keep their homes, that they have the ability to pay rent, pay their property taxes.
That's why I'm running for Florida governor.
And that's why I ask everyone to, at first, at the end of the day, to review everything.
I am not going to ever be a closed book.
I want everyone to scrutinize every aspect of my life.
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And even the things that don't paint me in the best light, perhaps you should factor them in, but ask yourself is this worth not voting for this vision for our state?
I am not going to be someone who's going to bring in my political opponent's own choices, like the fact that he knocked up his mistress while he was currently in a marriage in 1998 in Tallahassee.
I'm not going to bring up the fact that he was arrested for drug possession with the intent to distribute in 1997, and then in 2000 was rearrested for felony theft.
If voters want to examine that, and if they at the end of the day decide that that is going to be part of their decision making process, so be it.
But at the end of the day, this is not personal.
It is about which vision is better for Florida.
It's not about the what.
It's not about the who, rather.
It's about the what.
Yeah, well said.
Byron presents a very dark vision.
Okay, this is from Reformed Farmer.
Uh, they said, Keep up the good work, James and NXR crew.
Uh, then we have another one from James B.
He said, Can you explain your co founder of Arizona and his ties to Azoria?
Azoria, I'm sorry, and his ties to TAMID onward, Israel.
How is this not a conflict of interest?
So, I think you're referring to Asaf Abramovich, who was with the company for just a few weeks when we started out.
He's no longer with.
Was never really involved with the company.
I started my investment firm, Azoria.
My understanding is that he was part of some Israeli group in college.
I've never visited Israel.
I've never had really extended conversations with him about Israel.
I don't even really know his politics, to be completely honest, except for the fact that he's a backstabber and has said various vile things about President Trump and heritage Americans.
But aside from that, I have no formal relationship with him or to me.
I've never been to Israel, have no plans to ever go.
All right.
Next question.
I think that's all of them.
Oh, that's all of them.
All right.
That's it.
Thank you so much, James, for your time.
We know you've got a busy schedule and more things to get to.
We wish you the best of luck.
And we are praying for Florida that the best man would win.
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As far as we can tell, you seem to be that man.
You have the right vision.
I think it matters.
People want credibility.
They want something that's trustworthy.
But I think I'm sympathetic because it's my own testimony as well.
The reality is that nobody comes out of the womb with a fully developed worldview and political policies and all these things.
The reality is we're all learning.
We are all a product of place and time and providence.
And we're developing our views as we learn.
And for a lot of us, we're learning through the school of hard knocks, we're learning by seeing.
Corrupt politicians and what they've done to our country, what they've done to our states, and in a very real sense, kind of responding with a never again mentality.
And so everybody's kind of at different legs of their red pill journey.
And the question, the only question I think that matters is whether or not the things that you're saying now are the things that you really believe, that you mean, that you're committed to, that you're going to hold to.
Yeah, it would be great if we had guys running for political office.
Who held all of these kinds of views that we here at NXR espouse and that you're espousing and have held them for the last 20 years without any contradiction?
But the reality is that for a lot of us, 2020 and the branch COVIDians and the summer of love with George Floyd and BLM and all these things was a wake up call.
There was new data that we had to process that we hadn't seen before.
And maybe we should have seen it.
Maybe we should have been more aware and more vigilant.
But for a lot of us, that's kind of what it takes.
That's that for the Christian, that's what life is.
It's sanctifying.
We are being sanctified as we're following Jesus, seeking to be further conformed into his image by God's grace.
You know, people always say it as though it's a gotcha.
You know, it's like, well, you thought something different, you know, four years ago or five years ago.
I just, you know, was just looking at X, and that's literally happening with me right now.
You signed this statement, you know, back in 2019, where you said that race was a social construct, and now.
You're saying that it's a real category and that we should act accordingly in these different ways, and blah, And it's like the simplest answer that I can give to people is yeah, how is it a brag?
How is it a point of pride to say, I was retarded 20 years ago, and by the grace of God, I'm just as retarded today?
I haven't learned a single thing.
I haven't developed at all.
I haven't progressed at all.
I haven't grown at all or matured at all.
I was stupid then, and I'm just as consistently stupid now.
I just don't see that as a plus.
So, for me, that would be my biggest prayer for you, James, is that ultimately, I mean, it's the Christian doctrine of repentance.
It is to change, to change.
And so, my biggest prayer for you is that the repentance, right, all the areas where you've changed, that it would be genuine change for the glory of God and the good of people in Florida.
Any final thoughts?
Well, I think you're spot on.
And I'm reminded of a quote that I learned in high school, which was, If you don't look back at yourself five years ago and think you were a complete idiot then, you've learned nothing.
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Right.
So, I am proud to say that five years ago, four years ago, even a year ago, I was an idiot.
And we should encourage this evolution politically, so long as it is sincere.
It has to be sincere.
I'm reading a comment, by the way, that just came across from my Democrat opponent.
Yes, not just my Republican primary contenders, but my Democrat opponent.
David Jolly condemns racial slurs by James Fishback, calling on all candidates to denounce.
The Florida governor's race should be a contest of ideas, solutions, and leadership.
Not racial slurs and demeaning divisive language.
James Fishback is a formidable Republican candidate for governor.
His undisguised racist comments, describing a black candidate's vision as a Section 8 ghetto and referring to Byron Donald as Byrone and a slave, are deliberate, offensive, and beneath the state.
At the end of the day, we are done with the tone policing.
Yes, from the right, Ted Cruz attacking me last night, but also and especially from the long storied position of tone policing of The left.
And so this is exactly what we're sick of.
Everyone's worried about me calling it a Section 8 ghetto, as opposed to the reality that Byron Donald's does, in fact, support land developers all across our state, turning what used to be tracts of land for agriculture into these large, single, unified, brutalist, ugly Section 8 style homes in the name of housing affordability.
My vision for housing affordability deport the 1.4 million illegals.
Ban Blackstone and BlackRock and create a down payment assistance program along with an economy that allows young people and old people to actually have great wages, a great sense of home ownership, eliminate property taxes.
So it isn't just easier to buy a home, it's easier to stay in that home.
And so I love to talk about individual policies, but the bigger vision of all of this is that we're done.
We're done apologizing.
Those words, they don't mean, they don't hurt, they don't affect.
They don't perturb us like they used to.
You want to call us racist, xenophobic, nativist, bigoted, even go so far as anti Semite.
You do you.
We, we, Joel Webbin, we are going to save America.