Nathan D. and his co-host dismantle "Judeo-Christianity" as a political poison, citing recent Israeli-sponsored pastor trips to Israel and FARA filings as evidence of foreign influence weaponizing evangelicals for Netanyahu's agenda. They argue modern Judaism relies on Talmudic legalism and usury, contrasting this with Jesus' rejection of Pharisaic traditions, while exposing the misinterpretation of Romans 11 that drives unconditional support for Israel despite its hostility. Advocating a "middle way" voting strategy to counter Jewish donor influence, they clarify their Amazon book distribution choices and urge Southern Baptists to fight internal theological shifts rather than abandoning their churches, ultimately asserting that American alliances with Israel rest solely on manufactured guilt rather than tangible value. [Automatically generated summary]
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The Hyphenated Heresy Explained00:04:18
The hyphenated heresy, Judeo Christianity.
And yes, it is a heresy.
It is a massive poison, both theologically and politically.
If you don't think this is a problem, then you're living under a rock.
A thousand pastors of American evangelical churches just recently returned from an all expense paid, sponsored trip to Israel, where they spent days being trained and equipped, aka indoctrinated by Jewish.
Influence to take that indoctrination back to their churches that they pastor and to then indoctrinate their congregants so that the Christian faith once and for all passed down to the saints would be weaponized ultimately not to serve the Lord Jesus Christ and not to serve Christians in America in a domestic capacity but rather to serve the modern nation state of Israel.
This is a massive problem, a massive problem.
Theologically, it is a problem.
The fact that we have millions of evangelical Protestant Christians here in America that genuinely believe that the Bible infallibly teaches that if they bless the modern nation state of Israel, if they bless Bibi Netanyahu, if they bless Israeli wars in the Middle East, if they bless the bombing of Iran, then they will be blessed by God.
And if they disagree, if they criticize, if they stand up and say no, that they would literally be under a divine Curse.
There are millions of professing Christians in these United States who believe that that is the written word of God.
It is a heresy.
It is politically poisonous.
It is theologically detrimental.
And so, yes, we are addressing this topic in our episode today.
Tune in now.
Radical Christian nationalist pastor Joel Webbin.
Joel Webbin.
Joel Webbin is an excellent.
At the foot of Mount Sinai, a nation met its God in thunder and fire.
From that covenant flowed the faith of Abraham, Moses, and the prophets, fulfilled, not replaced, in Christ.
But somewhere between the martyrs and the modern West, the truth was blurred.
Politicians and pastors began speaking of a Judeo Christian civilization, a phrase born not of Sinai, but in Washington.
Tracing its roots not to Moses, but to the Pharisees.
The hyphenated heresy challenges the myth of the hyphen, tracing how it reshaped Christian identity, redefined the church's witness, and bound modern faith to political Zionism.
Pick up your copy today on Amazon.com.
In other news, we'll go to Israel.
This week, more than 1,000 pastors and Christian influences are in the Holy Land to show their support for Israel.
Chris Mitchell reports from Jerusalem.
And Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
A partnership between Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Friends of Zion Museum led to the unprecedented visit.
As the first time in history, the State of Israel has officially partnered with 1,000 strategic pastors to commission them as ambassadors to combat anti Semitism and reach the youth of their generation.
Dr. Mike Evans says Israel's fight.
Is not just on the battlefield.
Right now, there's an ideological war that Israel's losing.
So they need the evangelicals, they need the Zionists to fight an ideological war.
Pastors Return From Israel00:02:19
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Get Your Signed Book Now00:10:59
We're going to deal with this topic of Judeo Christianity, which we believe really is and is becoming more and more by the day an alternate religion, another religion with massive theological problems and also.
Massive political poison.
And so we're going to talk about the politics first, because that's a clip that you just watched where you see, without, you know, they're not hiding it.
The quiet part is being said out loud that, hey, we need to, they're not using this word, but it is what it is.
We need to indoctrinate and weaponize evangelical Protestant pastors on the ground in America, not of just small churches in the backwoods that represent 60, 70, 80 people, but this is a list, and it's been curated and was made public about a month ago.
A thousand different pastors, many in the SBC, Southern Baptist Convention, many in Calvary Chapel, and each of these pastors being representative of large churches.
The average church was like a thousand to two thousand members.
So you're talking about in the millions.
It's one, two, maybe 2.5 million Christians in America being represented by these thousand pastors who had a sponsored, all expense paid trip to be indoctrinated by Jewish influencers for days to then go back, weaponize their.
Their constituents, their congregants, as a voting block, and not just with voting political power, but also culturally, social media influence to change America's, the youth, especially those who are younger in America, their perception, their sentiment towards Israel to make it positive.
How positive?
Positive enough to, in some cases, theologically abandon the faith once and for all handed down to the saints.
Also, positive enough to where the young men of America.
Would be willing to go, as we have several times, to fight Israel's war in the Middle East.
And I'm telling you right now, my son will not go and die for Israel.
We're not doing that.
We've done that.
We're done.
We've been there, bought the t shirt.
It is enough.
We have got to lay Judeo Christianity to rest.
We need to put it to death in our generation.
In our generation, as for me and my house, Judeo Christianity will die a thousand deaths.
That is our goal.
That's today's episode.
Let's start with the political piece, and then we're going to move on to the theological piece because there is such a misconception from especially Protestant, sadly, evangelical Christians in the West today, especially in America.
They think that Judaism, that modern Judaism, is simply, well, yeah, it's not Christianity, and we wish that Jews would become Christians, but it's not that bad.
It's really just half of Christianity.
No, it's a whole perversion.
It's not half of the truth, right?
That Christianity minus the New Testament, right?
So it's just half of the truth of Christianity.
No, it's a whole perversion of Christianity.
And we're going to lay that out for you theologically at the second half of the episode.
So, Wes, I'm going to turn it to you.
Let's go.
Yeah.
So, on the political side, why are they bringing these pastors in?
If you look at the FARA filing, so a FARA filing is when a foreign government conducts activity in the United States.
You need to disclose that.
It does not matter if you are Israel, it does not matter if you are Afghanistan, it does not matter who you are.
If you do activity, With dollars promoting a message in the United States, you need to file a FARA filing.
So, in the FARA filing, you have exactly this campaign you're talking about.
We're bringing pastors over.
We're encouraging trips to Israel.
We're propagandized digitally.
So, this is showing people ads who visit different churches.
The reason that they're doing that is since October 7th, 2023, Israel has not looked that great on the world stage.
Whether it be Prime Minister Netanyahu looking like he's coming up on charges for war crimes, whether it just be eroding support among the youth for Israel, the reason they're doing this is not random.
It's not just, hey, every 50 years we like to celebrate an anniversary, get the whole team together.
No, as you heard Mike Evans say on that video, they're realizing that support is slipping.
Jews are 2% to 3% of the United States.
They're ultimately not going to be all of your members of Congress, all of your members of Senate, in the presidency, vice presidency.
They need the groundswell support of the majority of America, which is white evangelicals.
Exactly.
It's not going to be Muslims, Buddhists, atheists.
For them to be successful, it can't just be Jews in America.
It has to be non Jews, predominantly white evangelical Christians, that take up their.
Their mandate.
But so that 2% to 3% of ethnic Jews in America is, yes, that's a minority report as it pertains to the total population of America.
But it is worth noting that there are currently more Jews in America than there are in Israel.
So it's still a significant amount of ethnic Jews living in our country and disproportionately influential.
Influential with the church and what they're trying to do with evangelicals, politically influential, culturally, social media, influential, also in the realm of.
Hollywood and entertainment and media, which we know all too well, also in the realm of academia.
And so, this is a foreign influence that is not America first.
And even more importantly, as important as that is, it is not Christ first.
It is anti Christ, and we need to be aware.
Yep.
And Nick actually talks about this in this episode that's coming up on Wednesday, if you haven't watched it already.
He has some really great insights into how Jews in America, they realize that the political left is often Often pretty traitorous to Israel, whether that be in the 60s when they had a sneak attack perpetrated on them, or again, just two years ago, October 7th.
I mean, big schools, leftist schools like Harvard, they were kind of like, eh, Palestinians kind of have a point.
And so Israel, it's doing its best to shore up the support that they have among evangelicals in the wake of terror attacks that they saw on their border, in the wake of slipping support among the younger generation.
And the way to do that, if you're going to get to American evangelicals, you have to go through their religion.
That is just something that Americans, that's at the core, whether it be white evangelicals, whether it be Catholics, your best shot is to appeal to their religion and say, Religiously, you have a duty to support us.
Even if you don't agree with us, again, on religions, okay?
You're Christians, we're Jews.
And what they'll do is they'll put forward this message, We share the same foundation.
Okay, so we're Jews, we don't take the New Testament, but you guys have the Old Testament, the New Testament, you believe both are authoritative.
We have the Old Testament as well.
We share this common foundation.
You have prominent, influential guys like Yarm Hazoni and Josh Hammer, they try to get that message across.
They're Orthodox Jews, but they say, look, at the end of the day, okay, we reject Jesus, but we share a common foundation for ethics, for morality, for religion.
We're an Abrahamic religion like you.
And so, kind of like dot, dot, dot, little known, also you should be invested in providing foreign support.
The U.S., it depends what metric you use.
We've given over $200 to $300 billion worth of aid to Israel.
And that makes sense.
75 years since 1948.
Just since 1948.
So, not even a full century.
$300 billion.
And that's without question the reason that they've been able to exist there.
They're not exactly very friendly with all of their neighbors.
And so, those billions of dollars have helped build the Iron Dome, one of the best weapons and missile defense systems that the world has.
It's what's enabled them to survive.
So, their survival.
That's the Samson option.
Right?
How they survive is support for America.
You have to make the connection.
And if that goes away, there is an entire state in the Middle East.
Who knows what would happen?
Maybe they would hold off, but it's only 9 million people.
Iran, 90 million.
Like, population wise, they don't have the size.
Geographically, They're sandwiched between all of them.
So, the support of American evangelicals is absolutely essential.
And so, understandably, we get the rationale.
They're saying we have got to pull out all the stops.
Doesn't matter how much money it takes, the influencers, bring everybody.
Guys have got to get on board with this message.
We need our American support.
We need that support overflowing into the halls of Congress.
We need that support within the executive branch, the Oval Office.
We need America's support, or we're in big trouble.
And the recent two years, If that continues, if that slipping for support happens, and this young generation eventually gets into power and they get elected and their America first, more isolationist, hawkish message, if that catches on, we're in a world of hurt.
Yeah.
And I would just say so there's a couple different channels to emphasize here.
Obviously, the treatment of the book, the hyphenated heresy, is more on the religious element.
But even if you think about the divide between sort of Republicans and Democrats on the issue of Israel, what you can see, the other channel being Is the economic channel.
And so you can think about some of the relationships in Silicon Valley and Israel sort of marketing themselves as a tech hub, if you will, on robotics, on AI.
And you see this investment happening.
You can look at Jared Kushner, the son in law of the president of the United States, even starting a private equity firm that is partly funded in Israel and investing in Israel tech startups.
And so even if you think about the left skew away from Israel, which has certainly been true for at least half a decade.
There's still the tentacles of influence happening via the capitalist route.
And so on the right, you see certainly in the SBC, but just you can imagine a middle America, that sort of entire contingency.
It's the religio cultural element.
It's the we must support Israel.
We have this religious tie to the nation state.
And then again, just to recap on the left, it being the tech, it being the Silicon Valley billionaires who invest in Israel, seeing it as sort of an opportunity.
For outsized returns in the Middle East.
Right.
And now, you know, to be fair, even the tech on the right, the tech right with Peter Thiel, with Elon Musk, with, you know, multiple different individuals.
But you're right that Jewish influence economically, not just religiously and politically, but economically here in America is significant.
I think of Larry Ellison with Oracle.
And so there's strong, significant powers that we should not trivialize.
We have to take seriously.
I want to get into some of the theology.
We have some graphs that we want to show you guys, some visuals.
To properly understand modern Judaism as it is today, it is not simply Christianity minus the New Testament.
Jewish Influence In America00:03:33
It's not a half truth, but it is a whole perversion.
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Wes, I'm going to give it back to you.
So I'm going to rewind 100 years and then we're going to rewind 2000.
I'm going to read actually here from the book.
This is the chapter on how really you had the hyphenated heresy, how it got its roots into America.
This is, just for the record, this is co written, right?
So, and.
I've written a book before, actually, twice.
I was about to say, two.
I've written two books, but I will, you know, I'm not going to sit here and pretend I am not the best writer.
But my co author is.
And so a lot of the heavy lifting, I was involved, you know, every step of the way, but a lot of the heavy lifting, it's fantastic writing.
And it's fantastic writing because a lot of the heavy lifting was done by JD Hall, who is our co author on the book.
He did an incredible job.
Definitely want to give a shout out to him.
Uh, he's actually probably going to be joining us soon for a live stream.
Uh, because we'd love for you guys to get to see him, have him have a guest appearance.
We don't have that scheduled for today, but we'll do it in the near future.
All right, all right, great.
So, I'm going to read this from page 131.
Dispensationalism And Prophecy00:02:34
And again, this is how it happened in America because Judeo Christianity, we got to be honest, like England, France, it's not as much a thing.
It's here in America with dispensationalism and Zionism, that's where the fervor has really kind of captured the people.
And so, reading from page 131 of the book.
Cyrus Schofield, in his famous reference Bible, filled the margins of Scripture with a prophetic scheme that placed Israel at the center of world history.
His notes taught generations of Christians to read the Bible through the lens of Jewish restoration to the land of Israel.
Entire passages were bent toward a future that required the physical reestablishment of a Jewish state.
What might have once been seen as allegorical or fulfilled in Christ was now presented as a countdown clock.
By the time Israel declared independence in 1948, so remember, Schofield, his reference Bible, this all comes out in the early beginnings of the 20th century.
Israel hadn't been reestablished.
It hadn't gone back to the land yet.
But he lays the foundation so that when that does happen, all of these evangelicals and dispensationalists say, oh, I've seen this.
I remember that this is what's required for the end times.
This is what's going to have to happen.
Israel gets restored.
The end times quickly start after.
By the time Israel declared independence in 1948, many evangelicals already had a framework in place to interpret it as divine prophecy.
But a framework on paper is not enough, it must be popularized.
That is where conferences, study Bibles, and eventually mass media played their role.
Prophecy conferences in the early 20th century drew crowds eager to hear about the end times.
Radio preachers picked up on the theme, presenting the news headlines as fulfillments of scripture.
By the 1970s, Hall Lindsey's The Late Great Planet Earth turned speculative prophecy into a publishing sensation.
His charts and predictions saturated evangelical culture, convincing millions that history was rushing towards Armageddon and that the Jewish state was at the center of it all.
This was not mere speculation.
It was the perfect theological climate for Zionist lobbying groups.
So that's the theological side.
Hall Lindsey, Christians, evangelicals, Zionist lobbying groups to exploit.
When APAC, or Kufi, that's Christians United for Israel, Approach evangelical leaders, they found an audience already predisposed to hear their message as biblical truth.
When Israeli tourism boards offered discounted trips to pastors, they were not simply showing them archaeological sites, they were reinforcing a prophetic worldview.
Walking on Israeli soil became proof that God's clock was ticking.
Pastors returned to their pulpits electrified, not only with political loyalty, but eschatological urgency.
Christians United For Israel00:14:01
And so, here in the United States, really parsing out the context, that was the foundation.
That then made us so susceptible to these lobbying groups.
I don't think APAC is super successful lobbying in Russia.
There's something unique here in America of our history, of our, and it's an American thing for better or worse.
We're pretty low church, Baptist and Methodist.
They got here first, they laid the groundwork.
If you go even around our town here, what are the biggest churches in town?
They're Baptist and Methodist.
A little bit of Church of Christ as well.
Some Lutherans because there's a Lutheran presence here.
But all of that is because circuit riders, Pastors with, you know, they didn't have a degree under their belt, but they had the spirit and they went out, they arrived and they settled, but then also then made kind of disconnected from church history as Baptists and Methodists contend to be, that also made them susceptible as dispensationalism, a new rewriting, a new framing of scripture arrived, that they picked up on it, they soaked it up and created what you could really call kind of a new American religion.
Yep.
Absolutely true.
Let's show that graph.
I think it's so helpful just for people to visually see.
The difference between your grandma, your dispensationalist grandma, God bless her heart, her view of modern Judaism today versus what it actually is.
So let's show this graph that shows historic Christianity.
It's going to be the other one.
So you have two different ways of looking at it.
You could say, all right, and you can see this on your screen.
You have the law of Moses given, you have the nation state of Israel, and you have observant Jews.
And then you have the cross of Christ, Jesus as the fulfillment of the Old Testament.
And then Christians are kind of the departure.
Right?
They're the V2.
So you had Judaism, and then Christians at the cross, it's kind of this new religion takes form and it departs.
And so now today you would have Christians and Jews.
But as you see on that second chart, the one down there at the bottom half of the screen, the modern Jews are just a continuity with the past.
So there's this continuity with Moses, this continuity with the prophets.
They've missed the Messiah, right?
They missed what they were supposed to be looking for, but they're kind of continuing in the same vein.
Right?
It's like they missed their exit, right?
There was a sign.
The Messiah was like a sign you're driving past.
Pretty important exit.
Right, yeah, yeah.
So you're driving down the highway, and there's a sign, namely Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
That's your exit, and they missed the off ramp, right?
So that's how a lot of people think of it.
They think modern Jews today, it's all the way from Exodus and Moses and the giving of the law, and they just stayed on the highway and missed their exit, right?
But that is not even close to the reality.
No.
And we go into this in the book.
What it would almost be better to say is that in the Old Testament, Jews, they were Old Testament Christians.
So, really, how it is, this top one, you have Adam and Eve, they're promised Christ.
You have Moses and the law, it promises and looks forward to Christ.
And you have the prophets, it promises.
Yeah, you have the Christian, real quick, because we don't want to skip over that.
Christian gospel given by God Himself to Adam and Eve in the garden long before the Mosaic law comes into play.
At the beginning of time?
Gospel first.
And this is what Paul, you know, this is the whole thing that he leans on in Galatians, for instance, in Romans, for instance.
He talks about how there's a superior covenant that precedes.
It doesn't come after as an aberration, but it actually precedes the giving of the law through Moses and the old covenant.
That there is, the new covenant is.
Is actually the covenant of grace that actually, yes, there is a newness to it in the inauguration of the new covenant in the earthly ministry of Christ and his life and death and resurrection.
So there's a newness aspect of this covenant, but it's really this Abrahamic covenant that stretches back even to the Easter egg of the gospel being given even in the garden to Adam and Eve in Genesis chapter 3.
And so it really, yes, it's new on the one hand, but it's actually much older.
It's the deep magic that precedes.
Like, how was David saved?
Well, he observed the law and he did this.
No.
He was saved by looking ahead to Christ.
So, whether it be David or whether it be Abraham or whether it be Moses, Joshua, all of these Old Testament saints, Jesus is the direct lineage of them.
Their completion, their fulfillment, it's Christ.
Right.
How were Adam and Eve saved?
Well, God said in the garden, specifically, He said there will be enmity between your offspring and the offspring of the serpent.
And He said that the serpent will strike his heel.
So, you will have not just offspring, Posterity in the plural, but singular, there will be a seed, one of your offspring.
A son will eventually come from your lineage, and Satan, he will strike his heel, but your son, he will crush his head.
How were Adam and Eve saved?
They were saved because they had faith in the serpent crusher, in the promised seed, in the promised offspring of the woman who would eventually come and deliver them from the power of the serpent.
Adam and Eve were saved, in other words, by grace alone, through faith alone.
In Christ alone.
Abraham was saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.
Isaac, the same.
Jacob, the same, all the way down through the Old Testament.
And we are saved the same under the New Covenant as New Testament Christians today.
The only distinction is this before the cross, Old Testament Christians, not Jews, no, Old Testament Christians, they were saved by looking forward to Christ with the eyes of faith.
We are saved by looking back to Christ with the eyes of faith.
That is the only distinction.
Christian, historic Christian doctrine has taught this for 2,000 years.
It is a novel, poisonous heresy to think anything else.
And that is the introduction of Darby and Schofield.
That's when things began to change.
This is not the way.
Dispensationalism, two different tracks, Judaism being just the continuity and Christians taking the exit ramp.
That is novel thinking in the big scheme of 2,000 years of church history.
Yep.
And Jesus in his incarnation is going to be.
The mystery revealed, right?
This is what Paul appeals to in the New Testament, which is okay, we read in Romans 4 that Abraham's faith was counted to him as righteousness.
And that mystery is revealed in the New Testament, in the New Covenant, in Jesus.
And this is why we can look back into the Old Testament and see with a very clear picture what the proto evangelism is, what Isaiah 53 is referring to, in a way that the Jews of today are blinded in that.
They still can't see it.
Isaiah 53, well, that's about the Jewish people.
No, it's about Jesus.
Yeah.
And if that weren't enough in terms of Paul's explanation in the epistles, Jesus himself in the gospels is making that point.
He's referring to the Jewish leadership, the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and saying, You are blinded.
You think Matthew 15, in terms of the oral tradition and what they had taught, how they had begun to teach the law, Jesus is coming and calling that out and saying, You do not understand.
You are blinded to this.
Right.
And that, go ahead.
I was just going to say, and to finish, you are teaching the commandments of men.
You aren't teaching the commandments of God.
Right.
And when Jesus says it, it's so important to understand there are multiple places in the gospel narratives where Jesus proceeds his thoughts, his teaching that he's about to espouse by saying, You have heard it was said.
Now, when he references that, there are a lot of modern Christians who think that Jesus, you have heard it said, is a reference that Jesus is referencing Moses and therefore speaking of the Mosaic law under the old covenant that God gave to Israel as though that were the commandments of men, as though that were the traditions of men.
No, when Jesus says, You have heard it was said, sometimes it is a direct quote of something that God spoke through Moses.
But what he's specifically getting at is he's speaking of the oral tradition that by the time of Jesus, right?
So think about how much worse it's been perverted now with the Mishnah, with the Talmud, and 2,000 years of rejecting the Logos, Judaism, rejecting Jews, rejecting the Logos, the living word, who is Christ Jesus.
But even 2,000 years ago, it's much worse now.
But 2,000 years ago, by the time of Christ's earthly ministry, they had already gotten.
Very, very far off the rail.
So when Jesus says, You have heard it was said, he's not referencing commandments of men given by Moses.
No, that's the commandments of God.
That was God's commandments.
And so Jesus, he even says, I have not come to abolish the law, the law of God given through Moses, is what he's getting at, but rather to fulfill the law.
He says this I tell you the truth, not heaven and earth will pass away before one jot or tittle, right?
One dotted I or cross T of the law of God.
Passes away.
So Jesus didn't come and pit himself against Moses.
And that's how so many Christians, sadly Protestant Christians, think of it.
Jesus versus Moses, gospel versus law, grace versus whatever, legalism.
No, when he says, You have heard it said, but I tell you, that is a juxtaposition, to be clear.
He's coming against something, he's about to counter something.
So you have heard it said, but I tell you.
But it's not, You have heard it said, aka Moses being the law of men.
But me being the son of God and grace, no, he's saying you have heard it said by all your Jewish rabbinical oral tradition commentaries that have perverted Moses.
But I tell you, this is what God actually said through Moses, which he upholds.
He doesn't abolish, but fulfills and upholds.
And then he gets even to the deeper application, the true exegesis.
So, really, what it is, it's not Jesus saying Moses said, but I say, so Jesus versus Moses.
No, it's Moses interpreted through the rebellious, perverted rabbinical.
Oral tradition of the time of Jesus, which is only worse now, 2,000 years more for them to cook in their rebellion.
It's only worse now.
But at the time, what Jesus is saying is there's Moses exegeted by the rabbis with a perverse exegesis, perverse interpretation.
But I tell you also, still Moses, but what it really means is this.
So, Moses, do not murder.
And the correct exegesis, Jesus exegeting Moses, is you can murder even at the level of the heart, right?
The rabbinical exegesis, there's so many different things that could be said.
But here's the headline, right?
This is kind of in short, the summary.
What the Judaic.
Perverse rabbis were doing in their interpretation of the law of God, not commandments of men.
They were adding the commandments of men by perversely interpreting the law of God given by Moses.
And in a nutshell, what they did was they took God's law through Moses and they perverted it by making it outwardly accessible, doable.
So they would take a commandment from Moses and they would make it really, really easy.
You can divorce your wife for burning the toast.
You just got to have your paperwork in order, just got to give her a paper.
Right.
Right.
Or you cannot murder quite easily while still harboring hatred for your brother, murderous hatred in your heart.
But as long as you don't drive a knife intentionally through his chest, you're good.
Right.
Or you can swear and cross your fingers and be deceitful.
Notice this.
My goodness.
When you think of, oh, yeah, there really is a long heritage, a long history, precedent of this lawyer type religion.
That's what Judaism is.
It's the religion of lawyers, it's litigation, and it's And it's the whole thing is trying to find loopholes to somehow be able to tip your hat to God while defrauding and robbing your common man.
And so, already in terms of swearing or oaths or giving your word, and again, 2000 years, it's only gotten exponentially worse.
But even at the time of Christ, they were saying, well, you know what?
You can swear by the temple, the house of God, my father's house shall be a house of prayer for all nations.
You can take that and swear by it.
Blaspheme.
And you can do this and not be bound by your word.
So you can say, Look, I promise that I'm going to pay you this amount for this service or this good, and I give you my word by the temple.
And what was it really?
It's childish.
It's lawyers using high level litigation and vernacular, but really, imagine a five year old child just with technical jargon.
But a five year old child, the equivalent is Dad, yeah, I'll do what you say.
And then later on, doing the exact opposite.
And when you're called out for it, saying, Well, yeah, I said that, but I had my fingers crossed behind my back.
Doesn't count.
That's what they were doing.
So you can swear by the temple, give your word, and then boldface lie to your fellow man and defraud him and rob him.
And you can do so while giving your word and swearing by the house of God, which is a house of prayer for all nations, as long as you didn't swear by the gold of the temple.
So then Jesus takes this and he says, No, no, but I tell you.
It's not the gold that makes the temple holy.
Which is it?
The gold that makes the temple holy, or is it the temple and the very presence of God that sanctifies the gold?
So think about that just as one case study.
When Jesus says, You have heard it said, but I tell you, in reference to this portion of the gospel narratives, this is an example that Jesus gives swearing by the gold of the temple versus swearing by the temple.
Is Jesus juxtaposing against Moses?
No, that's not a law of Moses.
The law of Moses does not say, Hey, you can swear and give your word by the temple of God and break it.
So long as you don't specifically swear by the gold of the temple.
But Jesus says, no, swearing by, no, no, no.
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That's not Jesus versus Moses.
That swearing by the gold being the only technical thing that holds you to your oath, that wasn't Moses, that was rabbis.
So Jesus already, again, I can't overemphasize this enough.
2,000 years ago, Jesus is already combating rabbinical Judaism as a heresy.
Rabbinical Judaism as a heresy.
Jesus saw it that way and gave the bulk of his preaching ministry to.
To that, combating that, 2,000 years ago, it was already that bad.
Jesus is not combating grace versus law, gospel versus law, Jesus versus Moses.
No, it's Jesus exegeting Moses, which is not the commandments of men, but the law of God that he did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.
Jesus properly interpreting Moses over and against the rabbis perverting the law of God given through Moses.
And that perversion, It was already alive and well, just became more solidified through oral tradition, the Mishnah, and then eventually inscripturated, codified in the Talmud, both the Jerusalem Talmud and then with more weight and authority in their religion through the Babylonian Talmud.
That's Judaism.
It is not Christianity minus the New Testament, it is a whole other religion.
It is just as blasphemous.
Just as perverse, just as false as Islam.
And here's the deal this is why we're talking about it.
Most evangelical Christians will say, Yeah, Judaism isn't Christianity.
You need to be a Christian.
But they carve out this third way.
So they'll say, There's Christianity, the true religion, and then there are false religions.
And they'll then begin to name Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Krishna, all these different things.
And then they'll say, But there's this halfway house.
It's not entirely true, but it certainly doesn't deserve to be spoken of as entirely false, like Islam.
Islam.
I mean, you want catnip for boomer evangelicals?
Just talk about how bad Islam is.
You want to lose every donation check from any evangelical boomer currently alive in the United States of America?
Talk about how bad Judaism is.
Yeah.
Right?
But the point is, Judaism is every bit as bad as Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism.
And here's the thing ironically, and I would just say, look, it's a pass fail system.
True Christianity, false.
These all other religions, but if we did want to say that there's a third category, if anything, if anything, Judaism would be worse on two accounts.
Number one, because the particular false religion that is more garnered more sympathy from Christians and therefore more subtle and more deceptive, therefore more dangerous, would be worse, right?
I don't see a ton of evangelical Christians right now saying, Oh, you know, Islam has a lot of good points, you know, and I, you know, Muslims, I think they're.
They might be just like us, and maybe we're on the same team.
I don't see that.
But I do see a lot of that language when it comes to Judaism, when it comes to Jews, and when it comes to the modern nation state of Israel.
So, number one, if anything, it's just pass or fail.
It's true, Christianity, and then false, every other major world religion falls in the false category.
But if we want to make a third category, it wouldn't be halfway between true and false, and that Judaism gets a carve out, gets special treatment, gets the kid gloves.
No, if anything, it should be viewed as the worst.
Of the false religions for two reasons.
One, more subtle, more deceptive, therefore more dangerous.
And number two, Islam will send you to hell.
So, don't miss this disclaimer.
Islam is false, it'll send you to hell.
Buddhism false, send you to hell.
Hinduism false, send you to hell.
That said, there is no major world religion that has a more blasphemous and negative view of the God man Jesus Christ than Judaism.
Muslims are wrong and they are deceived.
They do not recognize the deity of Jesus Christ, and yet they still honor him.
Buddhists honor Jesus.
They don't worship him.
They don't view him as Lord.
But Buddhists honor Jesus.
Hindus honor Jesus.
Muslims honor Jesus.
Jews believe he's in hell, currently burning in excrement.
So if we do want to get to, I'm content to just say, look, there's true Christianity and false every other religion.
But if you want to go there and say there's a third category, I'm fine to do it.
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I'll play ball.
But the third category would be reserved for Judaism, but not as something halfway in between true and false, but it would be beyond the false as the most false.
Most innately hostile and subtle and deceptive false religion of all time.
It is absolutely lost on Westerners how hair splitting the Talmud is.
So, you had, you can show this graph on the screen, Nathan.
You have Moses and the Torah, which is the law.
You also have the prophets and the history books and some other writing.
But on the Torah, as you were mentioning earlier, Joel, you have the Mishnah, which is the oral tradition.
And so, this was what Jesus was combating at the time.
And it wasn't written down yet, it was passed down by learning and repetition.
And already that was bad.
But practically, It was memorized.
Now, what emerged after the destruction of the Second Temple?
Well, how is it that as Jews are dispersed, the diaspora dispersed across most of modern day, what would be Rome and then into Europe?
Well, how do you kind of keep the record straight?
If you have two people, we've played the game telephone, one person memorizes this 500 miles away, and another person memorizes this, well, as time goes on, you're going to be unable to keep the story straight.
And so the Mishnah, oral tradition, Gemara, commentary on the oral tradition, which is the oral tradition derived from Moses.
Becomes that compilation of the Talmud.
And I'm going to bring it to modern day.
Like, okay, this is interesting.
This is theological.
Why does it matter?
You live in a world in America that has been Talmudified.
And I'll explain how it is in a minute.
But all of that combined makes the Talmud.
And some of the examples from the Talmud, because again, it's this commentary and this, well, what about in this case?
And what about this case of the Torah on Moses?
Is it absolutely hair splitting?
Here's one example from it.
If a divorce document, this is in Gittin 21a, If a divorce document, this is in the Talmud, is written with one letter off, so you misspell a name, is she still divorced?
That's what the Talmud is its arguments.
Well, Rabbi so and so says that if one letter is off, then she has really not been served the writ of divorce.
Here's another one.
If someone throws a divorce document to his wife and it lands closer to him than to her, is she still divorced?
Well, he threw it, but it's still closer to him.
And so technically, has she been served papers?
Is she still divorced?
Pages upon pages of rabbis arguing.
Well, technically, we have Moses, and he said she needs to have this.
And so, if you throw it, but it doesn't get that far enough, then actually, big thing is the Sabbath.
Jesus attacks us again and again in his ministry.
You have, they're called trancates, again and again, these whole sections.
What is permitted on the Sabbath?
What is not?
If you drag a bench and it might make a furrow, is that technically plowing?
Right.
You guys have, there's elevators here in the United States.
So, you can pick up and carry a chair or a bench.
But you can't drag it because you might be plowing.
Well, according to which rabbi?
Well, Rabbi so and so thinks that is plowing.
And then another rabbi might disagree.
If a building collapses, how many stones can you remove before its construction?
So, if Antonio, heaven forbid, his house collapsed on the Sunday, if I technically moved 15 pieces of wood off, had I completed construction on the Sabbath?
And after the temple is destroyed, you have to get this after AD 70, what you don't have in Judaism too, sacrifices and a priestly system.
So, not only do you have all the law keeping, but you then lost the mechanism by which you atone for sin.
So, you have all this law keeping made even worse by the fact.
I can't go and offer a sacrifice.
Day of Atonement, I've heard Orthodox Jews say, well, what do you do on Day of Atonement, this day that Moses set aside as the holiest day in all of Israel to make this offering to atone for sin?
They sit around and they read Torah.
There is no sacrifice left.
And to bring it modern, to bring it here, it's like, okay, so Jews do that.
Okay, maybe the laws in Israel, they're really technical and precise.
But what about now?
Well, you live in a world dominated by all of these distinctions.
If you drive to Dallas, the amount of billboards that you will see, For if you were injured in an auto accident, you should contact these lawyers, is insane.
Because people have gotten in there and they've said, well, if we can say he was negligent, he fell asleep while driving a semi truck and then I was injured from it, and now they owe me millions of dollars.
There's a lot of money to be made in that.
Interest and usury.
I mean, auto dealers are getting to the point they make more money charging usury to you to finance the car than providing the actual service.
Well, who is it that was famous for?
Charging usury was famous for taking coins.
The reason we have ridges on our coins is because Jews in the middle centuries would shave off the ends if they didn't have ridges, melt it down, and you've got a little bit extra silver.
And so we all live in this world now dominated by Talmudic distinctions, dominated by usury, dominated by a very low view.
They would be called the Goyim.
So this would be non Jews, a very low view of Goyim.
That Goyim, they just indulge in sexual perversion, they consume mass media, they're dumb.
They're dumb.
They need their entertainment.
They need their Netflix.
They need their slop.
Charge them usury.
They'll sit there and take it.
And that is the world we live in.
And it goes all the way back to this tradition that arose from the true religion on top of it, that tried to stuff it, that Jesus had the most antagonism for his ministry.
How many pages of the Gospels are dedicated to Jesus attacking the Pharisees, to him telling tax collectors and sinners to get it together?
And he does that.
He does go to dinner with them.
But if anything, they're more receptive.
He goes to dinner and she's like, Yeah, I'm a prostitute.
And he's like, Stop it.
And she goes, You know what?
You're right.
Over and over again, that's the response of sinners who know they need Jesus.
And then there's a group of religious people that are so self righteous.
He spends the entirety of his earthly ministry, three years, arguing with them.
No, you can't do this and get out of your duties.
You cannot say, Well, I'm giving all my money to the church so I can't take care of my mother and father.
No, the commandments of God are not to be nullified by your human, man made traditions.
Stop it.
That was 90%.
Of Jesus' ministry.
And even still today, it's very relevant for how, especially in America, we view Judaism as two sides of the same coin.
We share the Old Testament, we're kind of like a one to one.
No, we're not.
And it had had a terrible impact on how we live now today.
OnlyFans is run by a Ukrainian Jewish man who got in and said, Why don't we go ahead and see if women, if we can make money?
OnlyFans is one of the most prosperous tech companies because you don't need a lot of employees.
It's mostly the creators that are on there.
What if we can make a profit doing that?
What if we could get the daughters of America to sell their body online and perverse, greedy men to buy it?
You live in a world that's been thoroughly inundated by that, to which we say, no more.
Cut the Judeo, draw a line through it.
It's Christianity or nothing.
I'll take the Christian, hold the Judeo.
Yep.
I even think of the modern, more famous example of the line that sort of encircles Manhattan in New York City.
It's this idea today.
It's still today.
It's this effort for modern adherence to Judaism.
And I think they're predominantly the Orthodox adherence.
But it's this idea that you can evade Sabbath restrictions.
You can, because this is sort of a private domain, as the fishing line encircles the island.
You can actually.
It's technically indoor.
Yeah.
You're indoor, you can carry your phone, you can carry all of these different restrictions are evaded.
And really, what it is, and we have to say this, it's an effort to trick God.
Yes.
And if you think about it, we can kind of treat the theological error of the modern Jew and the theological error of the modern dispensational Christian separately.
But if you think about it from the perspective of the Jew, it's still this idea that you are justified by the law.
You are justified, and you go back to all of the litigious aspects of it.
I'm justified by the law, and therefore, if I can adhere to the law, even by sort of evading it, I'm not condemned by it.
And of course, Paul in Romans 8, chapter 8, says there's no more condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
The law of the Spirit is actually what justifies you, not the law of God.
So that's sort of the theological era for the Jew.
And then if you go to the theological era for the modern Christian in the West, It's this idea that, and it really comes back down to the lack of sort of covenantalism, the view of the continuity of the Old Testament and the New Testament.
And this dispensational view is like, well, there's no continuity.
The Jews of the Old Testament are still the Jews that we see today.
And the church is something different.
And they're not related at all.
And of course, this isn't the historical Christian view.
This isn't the Orthodox Christian view.
It's just a modern sort of hermeneutic.
And there is a grand irony, too, that I just want to call out with respect to the modern sort of dispensational, which is.
This dispensational hermeneutic leads to what we call antinomianism, which is actually rejection of the law.
The law doesn't matter at all.
Meanwhile, the Jews are this third category that you mentioned, where they're actually trying to adhere to that law that we don't think matters at all, but somehow we're still allies in that.
And of course, we disagree with both of those views.
We think that both the law is important.
We take a covenantal view.
We think the law of God is right and is something we should be obedient to, but we also recognize that we're not justified by it.
And so you see these theological errors, and they're very plain in scripture, actually.
If you look at both, you just pick up your Bible and you read it, but also, more importantly, if you look back into the historical Christian sources, you see that this has been the predominant interpretation, hermeneutic of these texts until very, very recently.
Right.
Last thing that I wanted to discuss is just getting into some of the practical implications if we don't get our theology right as Christians.
You might say, well, I'm not a dispensationalist, you know, I'm actually, you know, a Reformed Protestant, or I'm Catholic, you know, or I'm Eastern Orthodox, or whatever it may be.
But one kind of linchpin that I have people bring up to me all the time is, well, what about Romans chapter 11?
What about Romans 11?
What about Romans 11?
And if you're not careful, so Romans 11 is where God says, boast not against the branches, right?
The natural branches.
And this illustration is used by the Apostle Paul of a root.
And the root is not Israel.
The root is not Jews.
The root is not Judaism.
The root is Christ, right?
So there's a tree.
And there's a root, and the root is Christ, and that root is what supports all the branches, natural or wild, engrafted in.
And there are these natural branches of the tree that are supported by the root that is Christ.
And God, in his sense of justice, because of the natural branches, Jews, according to the flesh, at the time of their rejection of Christ, this is Paul writing in the New Testament, post the earthly ministry of Christ, his death, resurrection, and ascension.
He says, because of their rebellion, because of their unbelief, their hard heartedness, God has cut off these natural branches and those Gentiles.
Who have faith in Jesus, like a wild olive shoot, they have been grafted into this tree, which again, the root is Christ.
But then Paul says, Boast not against the branches.
Yes, you've been grafted in.
Yes, God has shown mercy.
Yes, you are now every bit a part of this tree that the root is Christ.
But don't be arrogant, don't be haughty, because then you would be tempted to fall in your arrogance into the very same sin of rejection and unbelief and rebellion and stiff neckedness.
That God saw fit to cut off the natural branches in the first place.
And then he furthermore says, But if God cut off these branches and was able to graft you in, would he not also be able to all the more graft back in the natural branches?
So if Gentiles could be grafted into this Christian tree, couldn't the natural branches that were once a part of it, couldn't they also be grafted in, if anything, all the more easily?
And this is the quintessential text that is used by many Christians who say, Well, I'm not a dispensationalist.
But, there's always a but, I'm a Reformed Protestant, I'm a Catholic, I'm Eastern Orthodox, whatever it is, but I still see Romans 11 in the Bible, and I see that as a futuristic promise that God is one day going to take the natural branches, the Jews, and notice how many assumptions are baked into this equation.
Number one, they are assuming that a Polish man, such as Netanyahu, is not only a Jew, but he is.
An ethnic Jew in the same lineage and heritage as Abraham.
That's already a fairly large assumption.
And so, guys who reject dispensationalist Christians of every branch, but rejecting dispensationalism are still tempted to think, yeah, but we, the Goyim, the Christian, the Gentile, are still waiting.
And yeah, God loves us and he wants to do something special with us, but there's a prerequisite.
Because Paul goes further in Romans 11, he talks about that the natural branches will eventually be grafted back in.
And if their separation, being cut off from the tree, which the root is Christ, meant our inclusion, the Gentiles, a wild olive branch being grafted in, if the Jews, ethnic Jews, rejecting Christ and God therefore rejecting them meant our inclusion, then them being actually brought back in and reconciled and grafted back in, what will that mean?
If their rejection, God rejecting them, was our inclusion, Them coming back in will be even better, even life from the dead, is what the text says.
And so, in a nutshell, there are many Christians today who would reject dispensationalism in the technical sense, and yet they would still say that we are awaiting a future promise, and that is that the Jews of today, assumption number one, that the Jews of today are the same as the Jews of the Bible.
That's the first assumption.
Number two, that this promise that Paul, and they would assume that it's not descriptive language, but Prescriptive and that it's a promise and a prophecy.
That's assumption number two.
And number three, they also assume in their hermeneutic that this is future to us.
It was future to the writing, the time of the writing of the text.
Paul is writing the book of Romans, and I and other guys that I trust and biblical scholars would date that around 8055 to 8065.
So it's pre 8070.
8070, and the sacking of Jerusalem, the destruction of the temple through Titus, all these things.
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But what's being assumed is number one, that the Jews, modern Jews today, are the Jews of the Bible, that they are, Bibi Netanyahu, Ben Shapiro, that they are the natural branches.
Number two, And the language of Romans 11 is a prophetic promise and prescription rather than simply a descriptive text.
Number three assumption is that the fulfillment of this prescriptive promise, prophecy, is going to be fulfilled in our future and not already fulfilled in the future of Paul when he wrote it, but long in our past since we are approximately 1,950 years removed from Paul.
And the writing.
So, those are three big assumptions.
Modern Jews being the same, just assuming they're the same as the Jews in the Bible.
Number two, that this is a prescriptive promise, prophecy, rather than a descriptive text.
And that it's in our future still, in the year of our Lord, 2026, rather than simply in Paul's future, the year of our Lord, 8055 to 65.
Now, here's why it matters.
Even if you've rejected dispensationalism, and if you've rejected that and been able to escape some of the theological heresies, On the political and practical and economic side of the equation.
Aside from the theological heresies, even if you escape that by rejecting Schofield, rejecting Darby, rejecting dispensationalism, but you find yourself over here.
I'm not a dispensationalist, but Romans 11 is still in the Bible, and the Jews of today are the Jews of the Bible, the natural branches, and this is a prescriptive prophecy.
They're going to be grafted back in, and them being grafted back in is absolutely necessary because their disclusion meant our inclusion and them coming back in and being reconciled.
Will mean even more blessing for us cattle, us Goyim, us Gentile Christians.
It'll mean life from the dead.
And that is something that I would say is not just a few evangelical Christians.
That is 90% of Christians today, be it Catholic, be it Eastern Orthodox, or be it Protestant, that believe we are still awaiting a future prophetic promise, assuming that the Jews of today, modern Jews, are the Jews of the Bible, that they are the natural branches, that they will sometime in our future be grafted back in.
And that's a prerequisite, absolutely necessary in order for the fullness of God's blessing to come to us.
That we Christians are still, that God is still, he's blessing us, but he's still holding out.
He's still partially holding out on the fullness of his blessing, whether it be the evangelization of the nations, that all the nations would come to Christ.
So there's still something that we're waiting on a global revival or just more of God's prosperity and blessing and kindness.
We Gentile Christians are getting some of God's love, but if we want to get all of it, we have to get our Jewish brothers, we have to get Netanyahu to somehow convert to be a Christian.
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And if we can't do that, then we're going to miss out on this great, you know, future eschatological promise and prophecy of God and the blessing of all these Gentile Christians who are waiting for the Jews to come home.
Now, practically speaking, theology aside, politically, economically, practically, what does that mean?
If we're waiting on some glorious promise and blessing from God, and the prerequisite, the condition for it, is that Jews come back home, that they come to Christ, well, then one thing that Christian nations, just logically speaking, would be obligated to do is the Jews are never going to repent if they cease to exist.
And here's the thing about the modern state of Israel.
On pretty much a 24 hour, seven day a week basis, they are doing everything they can to anger every nation on the planet.
Picking fights, starting wars, going into other countries.
You heard it here, not quite first, but maybe fifth Iran, Venezuela, securing oil so that when you start something in Iran in support of Israel, it doesn't hit oil prices domestically.
Yep.
Why did we do that?
Well, probably.
I'm not going to make a for sure statement.
We probably deposed a president.
So, we could have access to oil.
So, when we start mucking stuff up in the Middle East and help Israel start a war with Iran, Israel's economy would still remain intact.
And domestically, Trump would still get reelected in the midterms because oil prices.
Because our gas prices don't go up that high.
So, we can't do that.
And if you think that there's no correlation there, well, then allow me to submit for your consideration another piece of the pie.
Well, we go and kidnap Venezuela's president, and we do so within 48 hours.
Of Bibi Netanyahu coming and visiting the White House and sitting down with Trump.
I don't think that's a coincidence.
And so the point is to say this Israel, just politically, geopolitics, just looking at that realm for a moment, is undeniably hostile in its dealings with other nations right there at home, sharing a border.
No one in the Middle East likes Israel.
And so you're talking about a nation that is constantly kind of like a little kid who's antagonistic on the playground and he's going up to all these other kids.
Who are two, three times his size.
And when their backs are turned, he's whacking them in the back of the head.
He's trying to pick fights.
And he's doing so because he knows his big brother is even bigger than them, these other nations.
That's what Israel has been doing for approximately 77 years now.
Israel, like a little punk in the middle of the Middle East, surrounded by bigger kids on the playground, has been whacking them in the back of the head, knowing that big brother USA, US of A, Big Daddy Trump, Big Daddy Trump, and Big Daddy Bush, and Big Daddy Clinton, and Big Daddy all down the line for the last.
Three quarters of a century, that they can go and pick fights as a little twerp on the playground, but that Western countries, Great Britain, France, and especially the United States, that will pay the bill, that will pay the bill.
They can go and start fights.
And then when there's a reaction from Iran or this country or that country, that will send the military arsenal, will send the check, will send the soldiers to the military.
We'll back them up.
You know, because they're picking fights with people, nations bigger than them, but we're the biggest of all and we'll pay the bill.
And so, my point is even if you're not a dispensationalist, I reject Darby, I reject Schofield, I don't have the theological heresies that you're talking about here, Joel.
If you still think that Romans 11 is talking about the natural branches being not the Jews back then, but the Jews of today, that the Jews of today are ethnically the correlation, the descendants, the lineage of the Jews of the Bible.
And that these are the natural branches, and that Romans 11 is not descriptive but prescriptive prophecy, and that it's futuristic, not in Paul's future, but still 2,000 years removed in our future, then at minimum, at absolute minimum, even as a Christian who's not a dispensationalist, has rejected that, you still would have to say, We want the full blessing of God, that life from the dead blessing.
There's a condition, a prerequisite for that, Jews converting to Christ, and Logically, practically speaking, there's a precondition for Jews' revival among the Jews, which is they have to survive.
They have to exist.
And they are picking fights with everyone, and we can't let them get wiped off the map.
And they're not going to stop picking fights because they're twerps.
And so we just keep having to be a tax farm and pay for their survival.
So even without being a dispensationalist, you can see why a Christian could still have their theology weaponized.
Weaponized to say, hey, you know what?
Yeah, you're not a dispensationalist.
And yes, there's only one way to the Father.
And yes, you know, Old Testament saints were saved through faith in Jesus and New Testament saints.
I agree with all these kinds of things.
But yes, Joel, we still should be allies politically in geopolitics with Israel.
And yeah, we're still going to have to send them billions.
And if it gets really bad, our sons may still have to go and die in the desert and be buried in the sand on the other side of the world because.
We're waiting for a futuristic promise, life from the dead, revival for the world so that Gentile Christians can receive the full love and full blessing of God.
That doesn't happen unless the natural branches are grafted back in.
They are the natural branches.
We just assume that for some reason.
And the natural branches are kind of suicidal because they go and try to piss off everyone they possibly can.
And we're the only ones keeping them alive.
Do you see why that might be a problem, even while rejecting dispensationalism?
It's compelling, too, that Israel's list of allies, you could say, It's really grown thin, and that's because a lot of allies have had a difficulty articulating the political value that they give to us.
We all remember Ted Cruz on Tucker Carlson.
What do they give us tangibly?
What do they offer in terms of intelligence?
He couldn't answer.
I've seen Ben Shapiro try to do the same thing.
Well, they give us this and they give us that.
People just aren't buying it.
So, one of the big problems that they have, they don't really offer anything of value.
300 billion has gone out.
They've never come to our defense.
They've bombed some of our ships.
They've gotten us in trouble with other Muslim countries there.
And they've offered us, well, Oche Jeffrey Epstein, let's see, he trafficked our American daughters.
That wasn't a help, blackmailed our politicians potentially, bombed the USS Liberty.
Bombed the USS Liberty.
They haven't been a great ally.
Might have been involved with Pearl Harbor.
I haven't heard this angle.
I'll have to look into it.
Well, maybe save it for another time.
Yep.
But the point is the reason that they're losing support on the international stage is because none of their advocates can articulate a solid defense of what we gained from this partnership.
Because they can't articulate a solid defense because none exists.
Right.
And that's where the theological sort of appeal is going to become more important.
I think they recognize this.
It's sort of like stomping on the gas, like, oh, this is the angle we need to take.
Because it's the only angle that it's going to be.
Because the political angle won't work anymore.
I think that's right.
That's so insightful.
Antonio's right.
As, you know, like Elon Musk will say, you are the media.
As because some of the restrictions and suppression and these kinds of things, cancel culture and all that, you know, the legacy media, you know, stranglehold on the truth and those kinds of things, as that has kind of lessened.
Significantly less than the last five years, and we praise God for that.
And people are seeing more of the truth exposed politically, financially, economically, morally, these kinds of things, the corruption.
As people are seeing that, there becomes, like what Wes said and what you echoed, Antonio, the long and short of it is that the average American, especially those who aren't already fully lobotomized and indoctrinated, you know, older generations, you know, boomers, especially, but for every, just about every American under the age of 45 that didn't really have a dog in the fight and has now seen more objective reporting.
With less bias because there's more freedom of speech and social media and all these things, there is no political or economic argument for why we should support Israel.
So then, Israel, knowing that, because they're like, yeah, we can't make it.
They're not stupid.
They can't.
They're not stupid.
Yeah.
So the Jews in Israel, Netanyahu knows, yeah, what's going to be our angle?
What's our line of attack?
Well, he knows it's not going to be, you know, busting out a whiteboard and showing all the practical advantages to a political alliance because he knows, yeah, we don't do anything for you, Golan.
We hate you.
We have never done anything for you.
It is 100% a one sided relationship and always has been.
So there's no angle there at all.
So then it's just relying on, but you're Christians, guys, and your Bible tells you to support us.
That is the angle.
And that is not going to lessen.
That's going to ramp up.
Because used to, they could kind of say, take three angles.
But now that the news is actually no longer suppressed, Politically, we can see, oh, actually, there's nothing there.
Economically, there's nothing there.
So they're going to lean more, not less, but more on the theological, religious piece and try to raise up a new crop, a whole new crop of evangelical goyim who think that their Bible tells them that even though we get nothing out of the deal practically, we still got to keep these twerps alive.
And they're not going to stop picking fights.
And all the nations surrounding them are not going to stop being angry because they're picking fights.
And we have to keep paying the bill.
Pay it with your taxes and pay it with the blood of your sons.
That's where we're at.
And go ahead.
I was going to say, and any president or Senate candidate, they need the vote of white evangelicals.
They are the largest voting bloc.
And so, even practically, I don't think President Trump really cares, but he knows he has to keep white evangelicals happy.
And to keep white evangelicals happy, it is move the embassy to Jerusalem, it is support Israel's war with Iran.
Again and again, they, yeah, I kind of got to support these guys, if anything, just to get reelected.
That's the vice hold.
That lobbying groups like AIPAC, the foreign prime minister, that's the hold that they have that you have to support them in order to get reelected because your electorate is so supportive of them.
And again, white evangelicals.
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Yep.
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And he says, What can we do in our current time to have our government, political, and religious landscape no longer affiliate with the funny hat people?
So this is a good question.
I think you kind of just before the end of our last segment sort of addressed this with respect to the book.
I think what we're trying to do with the book, it obviously starts with the theological.
And we're trying to make the case that this is not the right way for Christians to think.
But of course, politics is going to be downstream from that.
And as we look, even I was just thinking about sort of the relevance of the book now and why it's so important for this to get out and to grow.
We have the midterms coming up.
I mean, a lot can happen between now and then, but certainly, stance on Israel is going to be a big issue in that midterm election.
And people are already starting to consider this as become a national conversation.
You hear at some of the bigger conferences being held by sort of right wing conservative organizations, these questions are being asked in the QA section.
Why do we think this about Israel?
Charlie Kirk, God bless him before he passed.
Again and again, people will come up to him at his events.
Why do you support them?
Why do you do this?
Why do you do that?
Like, to the point where, like, every single event, he's like, oh, here comes this objection again.
Here comes that question.
And so, it's going to be important that Christians and conservatives are actually equipped with the background, the historical background, the theological background to ask those questions, ask them in a fashion that the pundit, whoever it is, is actually put to task, or the politician is actually put to task to say, I have to wrestle with this.
I have to think through this issue.
And it's not going anywhere.
And so I think the book is a big part of that.
Obviously, we're going to be unafraid in talking about these things.
And I'm sure many more will join.
Obviously, that's kind of the idea of NXR.
We want to build an institution where we can have people come alongside us who can join in the fight on this issue, but obviously just winning the nation back for Christ, winning the nation back for heritage Americans.
And so that's certainly the start.
It's going to take a lot of effort, a lot of mobilization.
But most importantly, it's going to take the information.
It's going to take, it's actually going to know, taking, it's going to take knowing the arguments and knowing the history.
Yeah, it takes numbers.
It takes influence.
It takes organic social media pressure.
I appreciate the way the question is worded.
What can we do in our current time to have our government, political, and religious landscape no longer affiliate with Israel?
I'll leave the religious landscape out for a second, but like, what can we do to persuade?
To move, influence our government, political leaders to no longer give the farm to Israel?
The answer to that is simple.
And this is what is so frustrating.
But at the same time, using it as an advantage, this is what is a blessing in disguise, what makes it actually so doable.
Here's the great thing about your government they are convictionless people.
For better or for worse, they don't give a crap.
Here's the nice thing.
So, what can we do to get our government and political people to back away from Israel?
It's actually really easy because they don't actually have an ideological dog in the fight.
They don't care.
Ted Cruz doesn't have convictions.
When Ted Cruz says, Well, I do this because my Bible says, as Tucker profoundly pointed out, Well, your Bible says this.
Where does it say it in your Bible?
And he has no clue.
So Ted Cruz is not operating because of a genuine biblical conviction.
The nice thing about your convictions.
He does have a lot of convictions, but that's against banning homosexuality in Uganda.
So to be fair to him, he has convictions.
Cancun for travel.
Right?
Uganda, he's got some convictions.
Abandoning Texas when people are freezing in their homes, things like that.
Yeah, he does have some convictions.
But the point is this by and large, your political leaders, your government, is not doing something because they have profound convictions for it.
They're doing it because it gets them elected.
It gets them elected.
So all it requires is this it's the people versus money.
American people versus Jewish money.
That's what it is.
And the moment that any politician in American government, locally, federally, at any level, the moment that they determine that the power of the people in terms of just raw numerical votes of the American people, the number of votes from American people that they will lose is a greater cost than the Jewish money they would gain.
It's over.
It's done.
That's all it takes.
So it's actually the answer to the question is quite simple.
What do we do to get our government to stop supporting, you know, the funny hat people?
Or all these things we don't like.
How do you get them to stop supporting this and that in Ukraine?
Don't give them your vote.
Correct.
You just get enough people to say, I'm sorry, we're not coming out.
And that's why, you know, like people have, you know, given a lot of, we've seen it recently, you know, Nick Fuentes getting a lot of grief of like, oh, well, he's, you know, he's already talking about, you know, Newsome, you know, Gavin Newsome, he's a Chad, you know, like, oh, look at this white family and look at his jawline.
And like, okay, I don't think that Nick's going to vote for Newsome.
But what he is saying is, and he has actually, you know, people say, you know, people misrepresent him and say, he's never said this.
No, he has articulated very explicitly.
He said, I'm not saying emphatically that I won't vote for Vance.
I'm saying there's three years and he has three years to give me a reason.
You better give me a reason.
People misrepresented him with the Kamala and Trump.
Thing in 2024, he told people to vote for Kamala.
He did not tell people to vote for Kamala.
He encouraged people to threaten to withhold their vote from Trump.
Right.
Because he could tell, and he was right, he was right.
He could tell that the campaign for Trump's second term was very different in 2024 than it was back in 2016.
He could tell, wait a second, Trump is cozying up with the Adelsons, $100 million donation.
He's beholden to donor interests.
He's getting softer, way softer on his Reddit against abortion.
Like all these things that we say that we care about, this is not the same Trump.
And so we need to pressure him now.
We can't say, well, we just got to get him into office and then we'll call him out.
And I'll be honest, I said that and I have to own that.
I was like, we can't survive a Kamala presidency, which I still kind of feel that way.
Like the number would have been terrible too.
It would have been terrible.
But Nick is right in his basic political sixth sense in saying, no, the only time you don't have power once they're in, you only have power until they're in.
That's the only time that we have any power at all.
And so he's right in saying, yeah, we should actually threaten, say, no, you do not get to assume any longer on evangelical Christians and our vote.
You support Israel at the cost of America, we will let a Democrat.
I'm not saying we vote for them, but we will abstain voting for you and we will allow, for better or for worse, we will allow a Democrat to come into office.
I will not be voting for Ted Cruz.
He is our senator here in Texas.
I won't do it.
Yep, we've done it.
But I'll lose to this leftist.
We're not going to do it again.
The short term pain is better than the long term message that it sends.
I will take the long term message with the short term pain, then continue to settle for, well, at least he's not as bad as this.
Nope, I won't vote for you.
You cannot count on it.
Correct.
And just again to distinguish a little bit and add some specific language for clarity, we would not describe ourselves as accelerationists.
So we're not saying, hey, we're going to go out of our way to make sure that the worst of any situation takes place because it just all needs to burn.
Like we have said multiple times, Wes, you have said, if there's any hope at all, we need as much runway as possible, as much time.
As much time as possible at a familial level, individually, I need as much time as possible to be able to save my personal money and purchase land and a water well and a generator or a few and Starlink and get my family to safety if things go down.
Right.
So, individually, we need time.
Nationally, politically, we need time.
We're not going to be able to clean it.
So, we're not accelerationists saying, Hey, let's vote for Gavin.
Let's vote for this person.
Right.
So, I'm not voting for Ted Cruz.
I'm also not voting for Beto O'Rourke because he runs against himself.
Correct.
I'm not voting the other way either.
Right.
So there's, you can just assume on the Goyam and the Christian evangelicals to vote for you if you have GOP next to your name, no matter what.
There's that position.
We're done with that.
Okay.
And then there's the other position, accelerationists.
We're going to vote for the worst monster you can possibly imagine because the whole thing just needs to burn.
Well, maybe some single guy could do that.
We're fathers.
We're not doing that.
I love my children.
I love America.
I love my children more.
And so we're not doing that.
So we're not going to be the sheeple and the dumb goyum who give the GOP our vote no matter what.
We're also not accelerationists.
What we're saying is kind of a middle way here and saying, no, we're willing to not accelerate to the ultimate demise and destruction, but we are willing to temporarily experience greater pain to teach the GOP a lesson.
Vivek needs to lose Ohio.
And if he loses it to the Democrat, the Democrat will be worse for those few years than Vivek would have been.
But Ohio and the GOP there needs to know you can never again put forward an Indian man who is a Hindu, who denies Christian faith, and who tells white Americans what it means to be an American.
You can't ever present a candidate like that again because he'll get slaughtered.
And so it is worth a few years being worse with a Democrat governor in Ohio to teach the GOP holy snap.
Uh, we uh, whoever we put forward next time, he better wear be a guy who wears shoes in interviews.
Can't, never Vivek.
This is against Amy Acton, a Jewish woman who was a covet radical.
She's terrible, so it's like she will be worse than Vivek.
No question, but Vivek can't win.
So it's like, but but come on, surely this is worse.
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Nope, actually, we if we were in Ohio, which thank the Lord, we're not.
Thank goodness, we were, uh, we still wouldn't do it, even as much as we spent this whole episode saying, right, we don't appreciate Jewish influence in our politics.
And we still would not just, okay, we'll take the lesser evil.
Nope, we will take neither of them because in neither of those scenarios do you have a country left.
In between, talk about so there's the get in line approach, it's just be the assumed constituency of the GOP.
There's the accelerationist approach, and there's this middle approach.
And I think there's one element of it that is worth actually saying.
You think about the art of the possible, which is when you're no longer an assumed constituency, not only do you have the GOP and the natural pandering that comes toward the issues of this now constituency that's up for grabs, but you also see from the left, you would see, I mean, it's possible, I'm not confident that it would happen, but you can imagine a scenario on immigration, for example.
Where this sort of moderate sort of Democrat is now starting to appeal in rhetoric to this new middle, which is this constituency that says, we're not going to get in line with the GOP.
And so you start to see, and then of course the GOP is looking at the left, trying to win that constituency and says, well, we're right wing.
We have to go more right wing on this issue of immigration.
And so that's how, I mean, the reality is the American system works like the squeaky wheel, and the squeaky wheel is going to get the grease.
And that really is what this approach is it's just being smart, it's understanding the political landscape and how it functions.
And then being willing, again, to your point, being willing to suffer if need be in the short term.
But of course, our hope is in this strategy that we actually get the effects that we desire.
Amen.
Well said.
All right.
That, whew, John Baptist with a $5 super chat and he got that answer.
You're welcome.
That is what a deal.
Value.
If I have to say so myself, what a deal.
All right.
Read the next one, Antonio.
Yep.
So this dude rocks, great supporter.
He sent $10 and says, I'm honestly sick of the James White loudly complaining at you.
He either needs to call you offline.
Or come on your show to talk and let the public see it.
Take pot shots on X and his show is tiresome.
Taking pot shots on X and his show is tiresome.
Yep, that's true.
I'm going to be real short on this, but let me be clear.
I don't want to fight fire with fire.
James White has, I think, been really unfair.
He may be right and I may be wrong about some things.
I don't think this is one of those things, but probably some things.
But aside from right and wrong, I hope that any objective person, not just guys who are die hard supporters of us within XR or Right Response, but even the guys who are kind of in the middle and don't really have a team on either side.
They're not really for Joel Webbin or for James White.
I'm hoping that those guys in the middle, just kind of objective, non biased onlookers, I hope that you recognize that for the last year, about 14 months now, Uh, and it's not hyperbole when I say this, I'm being very careful and accurate.
Um, every online spat has been initiated by James White, every single one, every single one between the two of us.
I am not coming out, and so that said, this is what I want to get across.
The only reason we're mentioning his name is because we want to honor the super chats and read them on the air, and you put his name in the super chat, and that's okay, I'm not giving you a hard time.
That's why we're saying his name.
If you hadn't done that, I want the record to say I would not have said his name.
And so, my point is this could we play clips from James White and do response videos?
And yeah, we could.
I think he's wrong about some things.
But aside from some of the positions, he might be right, and I might be wrong, and vice versa.
Aside from position, disposition is the big thing that I want you to see.
And in terms of his disposition, it is a disposition of hostility and instigation.
He is the instigator.
We are not.
Even with that, The Bible says that he's an older man.
And even to guys, younger guys like Timothy or Titus, rebuke an older man with gentleness as you would a father.
So, my word to James White would be Sir, I am grateful for your service.
I've learned a lot from you in years past.
You may be right with some of your positions.
I do think, respectfully, that you're wrong in your disposition and the way that you're instigating fights.
And I respectfully and politely ask you, please move on.
And that's all I have to say.
Well said.
I'm going to hit the Rumble super chats.
We will also be reading Rumble super chats.
I'm doing it because my laptop battery is right here on the edge.
Get it.
Mr. Big Smile sent in super chat, two super chats, two good ones, one with a smiley face, and one that said, as long as they get our vote by default, we will keep losing.
Correct.
100%.
100%.
I've worked in politics too.
Like, well, I'll vote for them because I don't want the person that's worse, but I won't give them money.
That doesn't matter to them.
Anyone substantial, Ted Cruz does not need your $20.
The only thing you have is your vote.
That's right.
Once you have given to him, he is not beholden to you.
Well, what about my money and my block walk?
No, none of that matters.
He needs your vote come November 5th, whatever it would be.
If you keep voting for the least popular or the least offensive candidate, you'll keep losing by default.
Yep.
JP McGlone, longtime supporter, great friend, said, I will tune in on Rumble only moving forward, assuming you guys read the chat here.
We are reading the chat.
We're going to read the chat.
Yeah, we will be reading super chats.
X currently doesn't have that system that we know of.
So, we are broadcasting live on three platforms Rumble, YouTube, X.
We will be reading super chats from both Rumble and YouTube.
Yep.
So, if you're following us on Rumble and you're like, ah, well, you know, I'd rather follow you on Rumble, but I guess I'll tune into YouTube because you're not going to read the Rumble super chats.
We are.
We will.
Good news.
Christmas came again, early or late?
It's still Christmas.
12 days of Christmas.
We had Epiphany Sunday.
Oh, snap.
It's the first day after Christmas.
All right.
There we go.
All right.
Truddle.
Longtime supporter sent in a super chat, said, Instructions unclear.
This is in relation to everything we were talking about with the Pharisees, made exegetical gold calves.
It's true.
They have.
Many evangelicals have done that with Jesus and the Pharisees.
Like, well, I remember a pastor a long time ago, not obviously our church, but he got up and he said, You know, this woman, when speaking of the woman with the issue of blood, under the law of Moses for so long, she'd been neglected and outcast to society.
But then Jesus comes in and he draws near to her.
No, you just pitted Jesus against the ceremonial law that he himself initiated that said, if you're ceremonially unclean, You need to be in the outer fringes of the camp.
Right.
It literally in that pitted Jesus against Jesus.
Against Jesus.
Moses gave the law of God.
Here's a nifty little theological hat Moses gave the law of God.
Jesus is God.
So if Jesus is going against Moses, he's going against the law of God, which Moses gave, and Jesus is God.
So Jesus is going against Jesus, and Jesus is not retarded.
Stop that.
Well said.
Antonio, go ahead.
Yeah, the Edgerow Whistle sent $5 and says top three ways to see any change here.
Go after the leaders, Huckabee, et cetera, or grassroots style.
We have enough issues finding pastors to call sin sin.
And then followed up with one more that said, just thank you all for your efforts and work.
God bless you.
And God bless you.
Thank you.
Who is that?
The Edger Al Whistle?
How do you say it?
Edgerow Whistle.
Edgerow.
Okay.
Oh, okay.
I see now.
Edgerow Whistle.
It's a little small.
I promise.
I know.
I've been to the Learning Center.
I know how to read.
You know, I just, it's the print is small.
You have glasses.
We don't.
I get it.
Yeah, that's true.
I'm pretty.
You're the farthest away on the table, too.
Well, and also, like, I'm like 40 years older than Wes, 60 years older than Antonio.
I'm on the 50 feet back.
Yeah, I'm on the brink of death over here.
An elderly man.
All right.
Okay.
What's the next one?
I was just going to say, too, in response to his comment, we addressed this a little bit, but you put pressure on both.
So, sure, it's grassroots, it's new organizations, but it also is putting pressure on the current ones.
So, the ones that are institutionalized, have the access to the Mike Huckabees of the world.
Yeah, you put pressure on them.
And also, the other guys that are not, like us, you start your own thing.
So, it's both.
You don't just run with one play.
And you have to acknowledge, too, the generational or the demographic element here as well.
You think about dispensational Christians.
The reality is, if you look at the SBC, you look at so many of the churches that comprise.
The reality is, propaganda has generational effects.
Sometimes it's just incredibly difficult to convince people who are 65 years old that everything they've ever learned and everything you can imagine, everything they've ever taught is wrong with respect to this theological issue, with respect to a stance on Israel.
That's going to be really difficult.
And so I think the exhortation for young men is don't abandon the church.
If you're in a church and you're frustrated about the direction of that church or the direction of the congregation or the church's affiliations, The reality is, you need to stay in and play the long battle.
And you need to fight and fight and fight to win that church over.
And that's really, I think, how the landscape will start to see those changes emerge in the coming decade as that generational sort of issue is solved.
Yep.
Well said.
JD Peabody, have we read this one yet?
We have not.
He said, Love you, gents.
H N Y C I K. Happy New Year.
Christ is King.
Amen.
Thank you.
Appreciate that.
Gavin Fortin, 1584.
He gave us a $20 super chat.
Appreciate that.
He said, When you think of Joel Webbin, now more than ever, you have to capitalize the W. W's in the chat, boys.
I go by Joel Webbin, capital W, but you can also call me Wolwebbin if you just want to get a double W in there.
It's like William Wolf, WW.
Who's this?
WW.
All right, Wes, take the next.
All right, this dude rocks.
Why did you choose to publish, so the book, hyphenated heresy, why did you choose to publish this book through Amazon and not through an NXR self published like New Christendom Press or even New Christendom Press themselves?
You answer that.
So, when it comes to books, practically speaking, you can bulk order them yourselves just a little bit behind the scenes.
So, if you were an author, like, I want to publish a book, and my dad actually published a book way back in the day.
We got 200 copies pre printed, pre paid for, delivered to them to the house.
Every time you get an order, you take your book to the post office and you give it to them and it ships.
And it takes, I don't know, like 80 to 90 days probably through USPS to get there.
So, you could do that.
And with the amount that we've already sold, we're already talking like daily trips to the post office for our team.
And to be honest, we have better things to do than to have a big company.
You become a shipping company.
Of books sitting here, and every day we are taking out hundreds of books to the post office to ship.
And also, everyone has to wait longer.
So, like New Christian Press, you guys know, we love those guys, close friends.
And here's, I'll just be honest, here's the answer.
Why not do it the way they did it?
One, Brian Sauvay currently has more children than me, and they're older than my children.
Yeah.
So, what does that have to do with it?
Well, who do you think is shipping those books?
Seriously.
Right.
Who do you think is living in the world?
Eric Kahn's boys, Brian Sauvay, you know, they've got, I mean, you.
Talk about child labor, you know, sweatshops.
I mean, they've got three year olds, little Winnies in there, you know, doing.
So, part of it is honestly, New Christendom Ogden, they do have a bigger team.
And the kids, you know, I'm being a little bit funny, but the kids do help, which is great.
There's nothing wrong with that.
But they have a bigger team, and the kids are involved, and they're all kind of shipping together to get, you know, many hands made for light work.
And so, we just don't quite have the manpower yet to be able to do that.
So, that's one practical reason.
Second reason is we did want people to get the books right away.
And New Christendom, there's nothing wrong with this.
And I'm not dogging on them.
We love those guys.
But if you order one of their books and you order our book, like order them at the same time.
Like right now, just for fun, you know, go ahead and order White Knights and Reviling Wives and The Hyphenated Heresy and order them on the same day and report back and tell me what the difference in time is for delivery.
Yeah, I'm looking at Amazon right now.
If I ordered this, I would have it here on Wednesday.
Correct.
You order their book and it's going to be here.
Two Wednesdays.
Two Wednesdays.
Yeah.
And so, and that's not the end of the world.
That's not immoral or wrong or anything like that.
They are able to have a much higher profit margin.
God bless.
Praise God.
There's a good stewardship there.
And eventually we may move to that model.
But for us, it being our first book published with NXR, brand new media company, and all these kinds of things, we wanted people to get the book right away.
We wanted it to be on a platform that everyone's familiar with.
And for us, the profit margin, it matters.
Like we've got salaries to pay and people to feed and those kinds of things.
But for our first book, we just wanted to hit the numbers.
And so we know that, like, it's cents on the dollar that we're getting because of Amazon.
But everybody uses Amazon.
People will get their book right away.
We don't have to bring our kids up to the studio to be shipping every Saturday and Friday.
And so this allows us to do it with less manpower as we're kind of still building our team and people to get their book right away so the excitement doesn't get nullified and die off.
And it uses a familiarized platform so we can get as many sales as possible with a very small profit margin, but more sales for more exposure.
This is our first book, and we want our first book to be a banger.
I'd rather have.
You know, sell 10,000 copies, which is possible.
We're actually, we have that trajectory right now.
I'd rather sell 10,000 copies and be a bestseller and barely even break even financially.
But people get their book right away.
We get lots of sales and lots of exposure, at least for our first book.
And we'll look at maybe making some adaptions for future books.
And for the record, there are future books and there's one already in the wings that's in the process of being written.
With a couple new authors with names that you'll recognize that we're really excited about.
So that's it.
Great.
Next one.
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Last one, I think.
Super chat from Ransomed Soul, Psalm 49 15.
God bless you, brothers.
Keep up the good work.
Thank you.
Amen.
Awesome.
Really, really appreciate that.
So here at the very end, if we're able to, so I text during the live stream.
And so I'm putting my tech team on the spot a little bit.
But Nathan, I just, because this one, we just launched the book.
And this episode is about the book, The Hyphenated Heresy, Judeo Christianity.
I wanted to show the trailer just one more time for guys who are just hopping on to the live stream.
Nathan, are we ready to go for that?
All right, here we go.
Here is the trailer one more time.
Thanks for tuning in.
We're just going to go out with the trailer, but it's well made.
Dissident Media, to give them some props, they helped us with this trailer, did an excellent job.
This is for the book right here in front of me, The Hyphenated Heresy, Judeo Christianity, available now on Amazon.
Check out this trailer.
At the foot of Mount Sinai, a nation met its God in thunder and fire.
From that covenant flowed the faith of Abraham, Moses, and the prophets, fulfilled, not replaced, in Christ.
But somewhere between the martyrs and the modern West, the truth was blurred.
Politicians and pastors began speaking of a Judeo-Christian civilization, a phrase born not of Sinai, but in Washington.
Tracing its roots not to Moses, but to the Pharisees.
The hyphenated heresy challenges the myth of the hyphen, tracing how it reshaped Christian identity, redefined the church's witness, and bound modern faith to political Zionism.