Tucker Carlson and the broader conservative movement confront a reckoning with homosexuality, rejecting the "born gay" narrative as trauma-induced propaganda. The discussion highlights Uganda's harsh anti-homosexuality laws, contrasts Ted Cruz's condemnation of God's law with progressive stances, and cites high-profile appointees like Pete Buttigieg. Speakers argue for legal boundaries to protect minors, predict a decline in LGBTQ TV representation, and reference the Burgerfield versus Hodges case, suggesting a decade-long battle until public support drops below 20%. Ultimately, this cultural shift signals a potential end to decades of progressive dominance over public morality. [Automatically generated summary]
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Why We Need Five Star Reviews00:09:33
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Why are you gay?
One of the most important questions that was asked by a news anchor in Uganda a few years ago.
It became a meme, it became a sensation.
It's funny.
Everybody thinks it's funny, but it's also a fantastic question.
And Tucker Carlson took up the question in one of his recent episodes from the Tucker Carlson Network.
He began to actually ask that question Why are you gay?
Is it really this gay gene that we've yet to find?
Is it really some biological?
Answer to this question.
Some people are just born gay and they can't help it.
That's been the rhetoric.
That's been what people have said for decades at this point, right?
You can't hate somebody or disagree with somebody or not do anything other than absolutely affirm and even praise somebody for being gay because, after all, it's the same as the color of someone's skin.
It's an immutable trait, it's the way that they were born.
Now, here's the thing Tucker Carlson challenges this.
Narrative.
He challenges this question.
But what is so sad, I'm proud of Tucker for doing this, but what's so sad is that it's a unique episode, shouldn't be, but it's a unique episode for anyone of Tucker's status to ever breach this topic.
You have to recognize it's not just the flaming progressives of the Democrat Party, the DNC.
No, 99% of the GOP is radically.
Obsessively homosexual.
They are either gay, quite literally, or gay in spirit, but they are gay.
Make no mistake.
I mean, even at Trump's, the GOP big event, you know, you had the praising and platforming and esteeming of homosexuals.
Charlie Kirk, rest in peace.
God bless his soul, but.
I mean, you can find clips of Charlie Kirk going off scorched earth on anyone who would dare question him at one of his rallies about whether or not sodomites should be a part, a central part, leading, in fact, in MAGA, in the conservative remnants.
Charlie's saying, of course they can.
Of course.
Yeah, it's a sin, you know, ish.
It's a sin, but of course they can be a part of our.
Political campaign and be a central part at that as he is platforming TPUSA, platforming people who are homosexual.
And so here we are in the year of our Lord 2025 at the end, and Tucker Carlson is legitimately one of the only people at his level of media.
Right?
I'm aware that there are other people, such as myself, other Christian pastors who have no problem and who have regularly and consistently said that homosexuality.
Is a sin, but there is no one in the conservative political realm, no one really in MAGA, no one really in Bush's GOP.
There has been no one in the Republican scene, much less the Democratic scene, for the last 20 years who has been willing to say, Guys, this is a problem.
It's a problem, it's a sin.
It's not just any sin, it is grotesque.
It is, as God says in His Word, an abomination.
And one of the things that makes it so concerning.
Is it year over year statistically?
You can look at those who purport to be homosexual, and it's continuing to grow at rapid speeds.
This is an epidemic.
It is an epidemic.
It's no longer just two or 3% of the population, but it's a third, a third of the population.
And so Tucker Carlson was willing in one of his recent episodes to address that and say, can we really say that this is a positive development?
Can we really say that it's good?
That it's good that a third of our population is.
Not living within normative sexual design from God?
There's not going to be posterity?
They're not going to have children?
Can we really say that this is a positive development?
He brought up in his monologue that Uganda just a few years ago passed legislation that there would be a penalty, a severe up to as a maximum penalty, a severe penalty for homosexuality, aggravated.
Homosexuality, and that was spelled out later on.
If you wanted to look at the fine print, when it would come to a homosexual act that would prey on the youth, minors, or elderly who were no longer able to give consent, that would be punished in a severe way.
Now, you'll probably remember, speaking of the GOP and conservatives that are good for nothing, all they're good for, I mean, what does a conservative conserve?
Sodomy.
There's your conservatives.
That's what they conserve.
Gay sex.
That's what conservatives are conserving in America.
For instance, Tel Aviv Ted, Ted Cruz from Texas, my home state.
He came out publicly when Uganda presented this legislation for aggravated homosexuality.
And you could read the fine print.
It was talking about assault, sexual assault.
It was talking about other words that will get taken down off of YouTube for saying four letter words.
Tel Aviv Ted wasted no time in coming out and saying that the law that Uganda was passing was an abomination.
I want to show this tweet real quick.
This Uganda law is horrific and wrong.
Any law criminalizing homosexuality or imposing the death penalty for aggravated homosexuality is grotesque and an abomination.
All civilized nations should join together in condemning this human rights abuse.
Now, remember, Ted Cruz calls himself a Christian.
The Christian Bible calls homosexuality an abomination.
Ted Cruz calls any legislative penalty toward what God calls an abomination.
Ted Cruz says that the law against what God calls an abomination is an abomination, right?
So God says this is sexual perversion and an abomination.
Ted Cruz says any country.
That agrees with God and would pass legislation according to God's word, that's the abomination.
And you have to see the consistency here.
It's not just that Ted is a raging Zionist in Israel first and a traitor to these United States of America.
No, he also is terrible when it comes to God's law.
It's not just that he gets Israel wrong, he gets everything wrong.
And he should be called out for such.
I responded at the time and I said this.
Here's my tweet.
I said, take note, brothers and sisters.
I said take not, I meant note.
This conservative, speaking of Ted Cruz, is not calling sodomy an abomination, as the scripture explicitly says.
Instead, he is calling the just penalty according to God's immutable law an abomination.
He's calling good evil and evil good.
Now, Tucker went on in his monologue in this recent episode and said that, you know, everyone came out against Uganda and this legislation, every conservative, and they were all calling for.
People to denounce Uganda and that this is terrible, just like Ted Cruz did right on cue.
This is an abomination.
How dare you stand against what God calls wicked?
But I'm a Christian.
Also, let's give more money to Israel.
But I'll say I came out immediately.
That was my response to Ted Cruz at the time.
And so, the one thing that I would say to guys like Tucker is that there are people on the right who have spoken out with courage on this issue.
I wasn't the only one by any stretch of the imagination.
Mass Immigration and Social Stigma00:15:20
They're just not in the mainstream.
They don't receive the notoriety.
They're not invited to Mar a Lago.
They don't get to have dinner with Trump.
They're not famous.
What they are are salt of the earth, everyday Christians, people who love God's word and are willing to stand for it even when it's not cool, when it's not popular.
Homosexuality has become a plague.
On the West.
It has.
Absolutely.
You have to recognize that those of European descent, the West, white people, white people, just to make it abundantly clear what I'm saying, are on track to be extinct, extinct within decades, very shortly.
And there are a few reasons for this.
And honestly, the reasons really are few.
One is mass immigration, toxic empathy, a suicidal, Political policy of every major Western country eradicating its own citizens.
So, one is mass immigration.
Second, abortion.
We literally kill our own children.
White people, I am furious.
I am furious that our leaders in America and leaders in Europe have ushered in and facilitated the replacement of their own natural citizens.
But I'm also furious that white people, of their own accord, Have murdered their own children in the womb by the millions.
Mass immigration, abortion, but here's the third one gay.
White people are super duper gay.
They think it's cool.
They do it because it's a way of standing out and finding identity and making friends.
You come out of the closet today and announce that you're gay and You've got a decent chance of being written a free check from the United States government.
Your aunt and uncle will applaud you.
Oh, my goodness, it's the best Christmas ever.
Look at the courage from little Johnny.
He came out and told us that he enjoys other dudes.
That's where we are.
There's no stigma, there's nothing, nothing but praise, nothing but opportunity.
I mean, think of some of the politicians that have made it, some of the people in media in Hollywood who have made it.
The only reason why is because they were either a minority, they were black, or they were a woman, or they were gay.
If you're a white man, if you're a white man, then you've missed the boat, right?
You don't get the DEI benefits of being unique, right?
Women are favored in today's society over men, right?
Black people are favored over whites.
But the one chance you still have as a white man is at least, at least I can claim to like other dudes.
At least I can cut off my entire.
Line and lineage by not getting married, not having children, at least I can be a sexual pervert.
And then maybe, you know, I'll still have acceptance and a chance.
That's where we're at.
Mass immigration, abortion, and homosexuality.
And what it's ultimately going to end in, unless God does a miracle, unless hearts and minds are changed, is the full eradication of.
The European race.
That's where we're headed.
So, Tucker Carlson, you couldn't have done this episode any later than you did.
I wish that this had happened much sooner, but I am grateful for it nonetheless.
And I'm hoping that someone of Tucker's status, having shot across the bow, having brought this topic back to the realm of discussion, I'm hoping that there might be others.
Of notoriety, others of immense influence who will pick up the baton and begin to question the narrative as well.
I'm going to show a couple different things from the episodes some stats that were shared, some of the statistics that are alarming, address it, and that'll be the episode for today.
Tune in now.
The other.
All righty, all righty.
What do you got, Wes?
What are you thinking?
Ma'am, I titled this episode Conservatism Long Coming.
It's reconciliation, it's battle with homosexuality.
I feel like this one's been in the works for a while.
It's been one, eh, we kind of take it for granted.
Like, well, there's gay people, and as long as they're not the really militant type, that's okay with me.
But it's time we've talked about it.
Like you said, it's more than time we've talked about it.
A decade ago, 2015, would have been great.
And it's interesting because early 2000s, do you remember Trump back on The Apprentice?
There was a guy that was gay, and it's like, you're fired.
Like, literally, he fired him, like, he found out he was gay and he kicked him off of the show.
That was commonplace in the 2000s.
Oh, you're gay, you're being kicked out of the military.
Oh, you're gay, we don't want to have you on the show.
They really were pretty socially stigmatized.
And who else but, of course, progressives, but also conservatives that were more than happy to drag them into the spotlight and say, welcome.
I have a statistic here.
So, the first openly gay cabinet member confirmed, so this would be in Washington.
The first openly gay cabinet member confirmed by the Senate, it wasn't Pete Buttigieg as Department of Transportation head in 2021.
Now, he was super duper gay and he wore it on his sleeve.
It was actually a Trump appointee, Richard Grinnell, who was appointed as the acting director of national intelligence in 2020.
So it was like, who broke that glass ceiling?
Well, certainly Biden, Joseph Biden, and Kamala Harris, they came in and they installed all their different puppets.
Oh, wait, no, it was the Trump admin that has begun putting these people in.
Scott Besant, the Secretary of the Treasury.
He's an openly gay man right now, serving in the Trump admin.
Scott Pressler is a huge activist in the Northeast for registering Republicans.
He has been literally knocking on thousands and thousands of doors to get Trump elected.
Super duper gay.
Also, Milo Yiannopoulos was big in 2015, 2016, 2017 in the alt right.
He was out and out, flamboyantly gay.
And so we've had this problem, right?
The fox in the hen house, I would say probably for about 10 years.
Accepted, welcomed, Celebrated.
We all remember when Dave Rubin announced with his husband that they would be purchasing children from a surrogate.
Blaze Media, congratulations.
That's always boys.
Libs of TikTok.
It's always boys, too.
It was two boys.
Two gay men.
Who are they purchasing?
And they weren't going to share one.
They had to get two.
Yeah, they each got one.
They're like, it's nice, but only one of us can be the dad.
And they did so to the roaring applause of conservatives.
They did.
And.
There's lots of things we need to fix as far as, I mean, we talk about it on the show, as far as feminism goes, as far as Zionism goes.
And we got to be honest, some of these, they're pretty far outside of the Overton window.
But here's what's going to happen.
Here's how they're going to fall if and when, by God's grace, they do.
One person says something, and one person with significance is what I'm saying.
One person with a top 10 platform in the United States.
Millions of people listen, millions and millions of people listen to.
And we've got to be honest, too, millions and millions of the right kind of people.
Like, there's lots of people that have a lot of listeners, but they're 15 year old boys.
Like, that's great if a YouTube streamer, or it's great if someone that's on Rumble, if they say, hey, this is a problem.
But we've got to be honest, the way power works, they're influential people.
And so, if these things are going to be destroyed, what's going to happen is one person with a lot of influence, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of influence, stands up and says, eh, this doesn't seem right to me.
And then two people, and then five.
And then you slowly win over normies.
You have classic fence sitters, you know, your Tim Pools, your Joe Rogan's.
They're pretty middle of the road as far as things go.
Then you get to the point where even they're like, yeah, you know, I thought of myself as inclusive.
I thought of myself as welcoming, but I'm seeing the statistics.
I'm seeing how much society's devolved since 2015.
I'm seeing the pride parades.
I never signed up for this.
I'm not on board.
And that's actually how a movement starts and you get rid of it.
But this, Tucker Carlson coming out, he gave, it was about a 25 minute monologue before he actually brought his guest out and talked about everything.
That was huge.
He said, Why is it that we would starve an entire country in Africa, Uganda in this case?
There was a number of sanctions put on them that led to an ongoing famine in Uganda for passing this law.
We starved an entire nation.
That's crazy.
Because they discouraged men from having butt sex.
Yep.
It's that enshrined into law.
Why?
It's that important?
Oh, it's supposedly this unchangeable thing, but why have the rates of it gone up?
Really?
10, 15, 20% of people are just born gay?
Well, that's interesting because why was it so low for all of this time?
He's opening up those questions and his platform, his reach, his audience.
That is a huge shot across the bow as far as saying, nope, this actually isn't a good thing.
And hopefully in 10 years, the Republican Party, we can only hope, they'll be saying, yeah, we're not really going to have that here.
Or at the very least, you're not going to be open about it.
If you're open about it, there's going to be a little bit of a stigma.
We're not going to point you to cabinet positions.
You're not going to work at the FBI, for instance.
We don't really want you.
Right.
Yeah, that really is crazy that as a country, you'll hear phrases like globo homo or gay race communism.
And people still, I don't know what world they're living in, or they just have never turned on the news or don't know what's going on.
Maybe they've been living under a rock, but they'll say, oh, this seems a bit extreme.
Why are you using such provocative language?
And it's like, No, the Globo Homo is a perfect term to encapsulate where we are today.
What do we export?
What do we stand for as these United States of America?
Gay sex.
That's what.
That's what.
What are our virtues that we're trying to export across the world?
But sex.
That's America.
I'm proud to be an American.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm proud of our heritage, I'm proud of our history.
I'm proud of what we could be and what we have been.
But currently, presently, this is my country, live or die, shame or pride.
But presently, no, America is not doing very well.
America is first in line to starve children on the other side of the world if they're from a country that wants to stand with God's word against sexual degeneracy.
That's America.
We are the primary.
Exporter of Globo Homo.
That's who we have become.
And it's not just, well, that's because the Democrats are in charge and they've taken power.
Nope.
Like you said, Wes, and I think I'm glad you said it.
It's something that's important for people to recognize.
One of the first serious, high up homosexual appointments politically was under the Trump administration.
Yeah.
That's where we are.
The interview, some have alluded to it in the comments, was with Milo Yiannopoulos.
So Tucker had Milo on to talk.
Milo obviously was.
Openly flamboyant homosexual, and now would be claiming to have left that life.
And so he came on to talk about homosexuality and he elicited a key point.
And I think this point is going to be kind of the point of contention, if you could imagine, for the next couple of years.
And he laid waste to the idea people are born gay.
Like you said, kind of in your cold open, if people are really born gay, we have a huge problem because then you're talking about something that's, it's something people can't change, right?
You can't change your skin color.
Even the Bible talks about this.
An Ethiopian can't change their skin color.
There's things that we're just born with.
A man can't change his spots.
A leopard can't change his spots.
So, if people are really born just from day zero, I'm attracted to people of my own sex.
If they really are, then, I mean, for one, we'd still have an answer for it, even if a gene was found.
It turns out this gene, when turned on, does this.
But Milo took the route and said, listen, all the time, I'll read the quote here in a second.
Every single time, look at the time, every single time, this behavior, it's a set of behaviors, and this behavior is a response to trauma.
About two years ago now.
To trauma.
Trauma.
Okay, it sounded like you said Trump for a second.
This is a response.
Homosexuality is a response to Trump.
No, trauma.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was about a year and a half ago we did an episode on the statistics of Pride Month.
And I'm not going to get into detail.
We gave the parental warning on that one.
We'll keep it PG here.
But safe to say, well, it's a response to trauma.
It's a set of behaviors that respond to something that's happened.
Well, what behaviors?
Well, you can kind of imagine.
And we showed in the statistics.
That type of predatory behavior from older to younger is the defining feature of this community.
Well, how do they make so many people?
How are more and more and more to a greater degree?
Through conversion.
Yes.
Young men coming out as gay.
They were made that way.
Heterosexual marriage produces procreation.
Homosexuality still has conversion.
They still have offspring, I guess you could say.
LGBT have offspring, not biological offspring, not procreation, but.
Conversion.
They are constantly seeking to take younger individuals, minors, and turn them into what they are.
They do this through propaganda.
They do this through Coco Melon, which is designed for, I mean, it's slop and always has been, but it's a TV show on Netflix.
It's not designed for 12 year olds or 10 year olds or seven year olds.
It's for toddlers who can barely even walk.
It's for babies.
It's a show for babies.
And they have episodes with two dads.
Or a little kid, you know, who's a boy but wearing a tutu and trying to be a girl and be a ballerina.
So, through indoctrination, propaganda, indoctrination, and there's a ton of people who have become homosexual through trauma because they were molested as a child by someone older who was homosexual.
The Myth of Sin Progression00:14:51
This is a tale as old as time.
There's also instances, though, in addition to what Milo said, there's instances of people who have become homosexual simply through a progression of sin.
There's a progression to sin.
You don't just enter the world and immediately find yourself, you know, eagerly, earnestly desiring the most high handed forms of sin.
Everyone is born a sinner.
And apart from the grace of God, you remain so.
Even those who are saved continue to sin, but they also are now a new creature in Christ Jesus with a new heart, a new nature, right?
Now, as a temple of the Holy Spirit, which resides within them.
Changing their desires, sanctifying them, and causing them to become more and more formed into the image of Christ.
But every human being, when they're born, spiritually speaking, it is a still birth.
It is spiritually being born dead, being born in sin.
But although everyone is born a sinner, that does not mean outwardly, right?
That's the theological inward reality.
But in terms of outward manifestations, you do not have babies naturally from birth without any kind of outward manipulation.
Just naturally desiring the same sex.
That is a myth.
That's a myth.
Homosexuality is trained, instilled, taught, developed, either through propaganda from as early as the age of two with Netflix slop like Coco Melon, or from some homosexual man who does things that we don't even want to mention on this show, especially for younger ears that might be listening,
but some kind of sexual trauma that you're experiencing.
Or Over time, again, the progression of sin, sexual degeneracy giving way to greater and greater forms of degeneracy.
I have encountered individuals who, as I've counseled them and their testimony, they've said, Yeah, I wasn't actually mistreated.
I didn't have a traumatic situation.
But in my case, what happened was I just gave completely, I gave way completely to sinful sexual desires outside of the confines of marriage.
And I engaged in those things for so long and so often that eventually it was no longer satisfying.
And I had to up the ante.
Sin begins to eventually demand more and more and more.
And I became more perverse in my desires for the opposite sex and what I wanted and what I wanted to engage in in order to be satisfied.
And eventually the opposite sex was no longer alluring.
I wanted something even more forbidden.
And I began to indulge in homosexual acts.
So that's another way.
So there's unchecked, unbridled lust, perversion having a progression.
There's also indoctrination and propaganda through media and TV shows and the realm of academia and all these things.
And then there's also sexual trauma.
But the idea that someone is just born gay and in a vacuum, if they were raised apart from propaganda, Apart from indoctrination, apart from our media system, our academic system, our culture, if they were raised by Christian parents, homeschooled in some other country where they didn't see all these things and they'd never experienced sexual trauma and they didn't give way completely to sexual lust, to where there's this progression and increasing appetite for sexual degeneracy,
but they still just had the gay gene.
And so even in that scenario, they were still gay.
Nope.
That is a myth.
That's a myth.
I don't believe it.
I don't believe it.
I've never believed it.
And it's about time someone of Tucker's status, God bless him.
God bless Tucker Carlson.
I began to push back on that myth.
Yeah.
Milo said in the show, this is the one quote.
We're not going to play clips from it, but he just said this.
He said, We're not going to play clips from it because Tucker Carlson, I think he's our guy.
But even though he's our guy, and I'd like to believe that behind the scenes, he knows who we are and he appreciates us, but he has an intern full time on staff.
Who will immediately shut down our stream if we play even one second?
I was about to say a moment.
As much as we would.
Shut it down.
They would meet Tucker Carlson, the Tucker Carlson Network.
I'm not saying him personally, but he will shut down our stream without wasting a second if we share anything from one of his episodes.
So I'm going to just share one of the verbally, one of the kind of the most important moments to kind of wrap this all up.
This is Milo speaking, Milo Yiannopoulos speaking to Tucker.
He says, in almost every case, and then certainly in every male case, homosexuality is a trauma response, it is not asexuality.
It is not a part of what you are or who you are, or a component of your personality or a function of it.
It is a set of behaviors that emerges in people with a number of very easily identifiable common etiologies.
It's a set of behaviors.
And that's actually, I think that's more encouraging than being born with it.
It's so encouraging.
Because you can change.
Well, I have this behavior.
Great.
Behavior can be changed.
Stop doing it.
That goes for all types of sinful behaviors.
If you're born with something, hey, you have to change your skin color.
Hey, you have to change your height.
Hey, you have to change from being a man.
No, you can't.
Impossible.
So it's devastating, it's demoralizing.
Exactly.
Here's the thing.
When we call sin sin, people don't think about this.
It's not only that it's the righteous thing to do, to call sin sin, the holy thing to do, it's the just thing to do.
It's also the hopeful thing to do.
Think about this for a moment.
What we constantly want to do, our inclination as sinners is to ultimately minimize and defend our sin and to blame it on something else other than our own agency, our own moral culpability.
So we want to say, well, It's somebody else's fault.
It's like it's exactly what Adam did all the way back in the garden.
The woman you gave me right now, I mean, Eve was deceived and Eve did give the fruit to Adam.
But Adam knew the commandment of God.
Adam could have said no, he was there in the garden.
The Bible says that Adam was with her when all this took place.
He could have intervened, he should have intervened and protected his wife from the lying tongue of the serpent.
And when God comes on the scene and says, Adam, where are you?
Adam makes excuses and he blames his own wife.
But ultimately, it's not just blaming his wife.
And this is what it really comes down to.
When we minimize our sin, when we defend against God's ultimate justice and what God says about our sin, it's not just blaming others, but it's ultimately indicting God himself.
Adam doesn't just say, well, it's the woman's fault.
He says, it's the woman you gave me.
And still to this day, that's what we do when it comes to our sin.
Apart from true repentance wrought by the Holy Spirit, repentance granted to us as a gift, it's not just something that we can conjure up in and of ourselves.
We must be granted the gift of repentance.
And apart from that, what we ultimately do is we minimize sin, we defend ourselves against the charge, the accusation of having sinned.
And we do this ultimately by indicting not just our fellow man, but by indicting and blaming God, right?
The person who's saying, Well, I was born this way, what are they really saying?
What they're saying is, God made me.
This way.
It's God's fault.
I didn't have a choice.
It's not my fault.
It's God's fault.
And that's why, as Christians, we have to push back against that narrative.
It's God's fault.
God makes sexual degenerates.
No, no.
That is blasphemous.
How dare you?
How dare you blame God for your sin?
But what's hopeful about naming sin for what it is, sin, is that sin is.
Indicts the individual.
It makes me morally responsible.
It makes me guilty.
But the beauty about sin being sin is that although it makes me guilty, sin by the grace of God can be changed.
Sin can be changed.
Now, the leopard can't change its spots, the Ethiopian cannot change its skin, but the gay man actually can change being gay.
He actually can.
He absolutely can, because it really is at the end of the day, despite all the narratives and all the propaganda.
It is a set of behaviors, a set of behaviors that can be changed by the grace of God.
And we have to preach that message.
That is the hope of the gospel that by faith in Christ and repentance of sin, we really can be new creatures in Christ Jesus and live new lives, making new choices to the glory of God.
And that is an immensely hopeful message.
One more thing I wanted to say briefly about the legislation from Uganda.
I've had people ask me this question, and there's some special episodes that we already kind of have in the hopper that we're excited about, a lot of new projects and Things that we'll be unveiling in January next year, the year of our Lord 2026.
So we're really excited about that.
But I'm just remembering now, and I want to go ahead and preemptively clarify this.
There's one project that we worked on where the topic came up about homosexuality and civilly, in the civil realm, what the appropriate punishment should be.
And I just wanted to say, you know, that this is something.
That helped me a lot in understanding not just what God calls righteous and what God calls immoral in the Old Testament, but specifically grappling as a Christian man, knowing that all of God's word is infallible, it's all true, that God is holy, that God is just, God is not harsh, God doesn't overhear, He's not unfair, He doesn't overly punish sin.
So it's not just looking at the Old Testament and saying what God says was immoral really is immoral, God's right, what God says is righteous really is righteous, God's right.
But also the penalties in the Old Testament that God attaches to certain sins.
Let God be true, though every man a liar, as Romans says.
God's penalties are just, God's penalties are fair, they are not overly severe, they are not harsh.
And so when you look at the penalties attached in the Old Testament, homosexuality was not just treated as a sin, but also it was considered a crime.
It was considered a crime, just for the record, in these United States up until very recently, 100 years ago, no, just a few decades ago.
Just a few decades ago, and historically, all 50 states had laws on the books, not just sermons from the pulpits in churches by pastors, but laws and legislation on the books in the civil realm against homosexuality.
But in terms of the penalty, it's true that the Old Testament lists the death penalty, capital punishment.
But one important thing, this was key for me in understanding the law of God and the penalties attached to it.
Especially as it pertains to the civil law given to Israel under the Old Covenant and the Old Testament.
The penalties that are listed in the Old Testament are listed as maximum penalties.
The best illustration or example that I've thought of that I've used a few times now to articulate this would be you know, in Texas, you'll sometimes see signs that say, you know, don't mess with Texas.
And so you'll see signs that talk about littering, that if you litter, the penalty is like, $5,000 fine and two years in jail.
Okay.
Well, that is on the books.
That is on the books.
But I personally don't know anyone who's currently doing hard time.
And it's like, man, I've been in jail for 18 months, still got six more months till, you know, maybe I'm let free on good behavior.
And it's like, man, what did you do?
You know, did you defraud someone?
You know, was it like armed assault, you know, or theft?
I threw a Coke bottle out my window.
Right.
I don't know.
The most expensive McDonald's meal of all time.
Right.
I don't know anybody doing hard time.
For littering.
But the reason why it's on the books as a maximum penalty is because, well, because of just that.
It's a maximum penalty.
That doesn't mean that this is always a penalty that will be dealt out.
But what it does mean is that everything the government ultimately legislates, everything that the government enforces, it enforces at gunpoint.
What I mean by that is if you don't pay your taxes, you're going to get some letters in the mail.
You ignore the letters, you're going to get some phone calls.
You ignore the phone calls, you're going to get an in person visit.
You slam the door on that person's face, eventually you will get an in person visit from.
Armed officers and they will put you in handcuffs and take you away.
Eventually, the law, every law, if it is disregarded long enough, eventually it raises to the point of a gunpoint.
And that's not wrong so long as the laws are just, because Romans 13, God gave the sword to the civil magistrate.
That's the tool that God assigned to civil government for enforcing.
Righteousness.
So, when you think of littering, to go back to that example, you know, it's not that someone throws a Coke bottle out their window and it's like, believe it or not, jail, you know, immediately two years, hard time, $5,000 fine.
No, it's talking about a repeat serial offender who, with impunity, he's been warned several times, he's been given tickets, you know, and fines, and he keeps, and it's not just Coke bottles.
He's like taking, you know, like truckloads of trash and throwing it on the interstate, you know, off the back of his truck, you know, on a weekly basis.
Then, yes, eventually, You can go to jail.
Homosexuality as an Old Testament Crime00:11:32
I think that that's the principle in the Old Testament is that homosexuality was punishable up to death.
And there were many things.
Breaking the Sabbath was punishable up to death.
There's only one particular commandment or one crime.
It's a sin and a crime in the Old Testament that mandated capital punishment, and that was murder.
And we see that expressed in the Noahic covenant that if you take someone's life, You forfeit your own.
The only punishment for those who take a life is to forfeit their own.
So, capital punishment is mandated, it's required for the crime of murder.
And then, capital punishment is there as a maximum penalty.
And I think the implicit principle to be understood with all these other crimes, homosexuality being one of them, according to the Old Testament, is that given enough offense, flagrant offense, high handed offense, repetitive serial offenders, That eventually it could rise to that level as well.
So, when you look at the Old Testament, I don't believe if America was a Christian nation today, right, if Christian nationalism was a thing, I don't believe that in order to be pleasing to God, we would have to have the gay police going around and spying on people in their private homes and breaking in in the middle of the night and arresting two men and taking them away to the guillotine.
I don't think that's what the Old Testament is talking about.
However, what do you do if you have a gay man who it's not just that he's gay, that's a sin, but on top of that, he's writing paraphernalia and propaganda to be put in the libraries, public libraries of children in schools to be read to them.
He's also leading and orchestrating gay pride parades in major cities in America with men who are dressed in virtually nothing paraded in front of children.
In grotesque ways, public nudity.
He's doing it like, yes, at a certain point, at a certain point, you would say, okay, wait a second.
We've given you ample warnings.
You've received fines.
You've ignored the phone calls, ignored the letters, ignored this, ignored that.
You're a serial repeat offender in a public and fragrant way, not just privately.
And so, yes, this is a serious crime.
We have tried to bring reform to you personally to protect the youth of our society.
You are refused at every single level.
And so, yes, eventually that would merit even capital punishment.
And I don't believe that that is just belonging to the Old Testament.
I believe that if we have Christian nations today that exorbitant repeat offenders in the category of sexual degeneracy, that that would be not the only penalty, but a maximum penalty.
And I think that that's honestly what the legislation from Uganda a few years back, when that became a big news story, That's what it was getting at.
It didn't just say two homosexual men privately, you know, in their home.
No, it was talking about aggravated homosexual assault.
That at that level, that it could reach the point, not in every case, but that the maximum penalty could include capital punishment.
That is perfectly biblical.
It's also perfectly logical when you're thinking about protecting the most vulnerable of a society.
And Tel Aviv, Ted Cruz, who claims to be a Christian.
Immediately came out and called what God calls homosexuality an abomination.
Nope.
He called anyone who, any nation seeking to be righteous in affirming God's law, them the abomination.
What a shame.
What a shame.
I mean, Ted Cruz, he's MAGA, right?
Obstensibly.
Yeah.
So there's your based MAGA.
There's your based MAGA.
That's where we are today.
And the fact that, you know, at least one guy, Tucker Carlson, Is pushing back on it.
He's not going to say everything that I just said.
Right.
You know, like, I mean, he probably doesn't go as far as we do.
But you know what?
I'll take that back.
By God's grace, one day, maybe he will actually.
Maybe he'll be a greater homophobe than you.
Maybe.
Honestly, if any guy in mainstream media eventually just said, that's it.
I mean, they're turning the frogs gay.
You know, a third of the population is homosexual.
We need Jesus.
We need Jesus and we need his words.
And we need a major change to our society, or we're literally going to go extinct.
If anyone could come to that breaking point and eventually say, you know what, what Joel just articulated actually is reasonable and say it publicly, Tucker Carlson, before he dies, maybe it's his last episode that he releases.
I could see him maybe eventually being willing to say that.
Because I do think, you know, I don't know him personally, and I'm sure he has shortcomings like everyone.
I have shortcomings, everyone has shortcomings.
But I do think it does seem as though Tucker.
Genuinely is a Christian, loves God's word, loves the Lord, and he's exercised.
I mean, say what you will about him, whether you love him or hate him, you've got to admit the guy has exercised some serious and I think respectable courage.
He has been willing to be absolutely hated these last couple of years in taking stances that no one else would take at great cost to himself personally, his career.
And I'll just go on record and say I'm grateful for Tucker Carlson.
Yeah.
I want to talk about culturally how to push back against it.
But practically, the three things you mentioned that make gay men propaganda, abuse, and then you could just say immorality, consuming lots of pornography, sleeping with lots of people, perversion.
What's a solution for all three of those things to stop the pipeline of young men and young women indulging in this sin?
More preaching?
Laws.
Oh, laws.
Yeah.
It's like, man, like if only there was a way to stop propaganda on billboards and TV shows.
Oh, wait, you can.
You go through Hollywood, there were a number of laws back in the 60s and the 70s as broadcast media became prevalent.
There were laws about what couples were allowed to do on screen, what they were allowed to say.
Literally, in law, nobody was allowed to advocate something as abortion.
I remember watching like musicals and old black and white films and things like that with my family.
Both of my parents are music majors, so we grew up with a little bit of culture, God bless them.
And we would watch, you know, all the classic films, and you would notice that like the married couple in the film, you know, still would never, if they were sitting in it, like if they were in a bedroom for a certain scene and they like sat on the bed, they would always have to have one foot.
Planted on the ground, they could never lay down in the bed together.
And I remember like looking into it, my you know, and realizing that that was actually a rule for Hollywood.
You could not have even a married couple laying in a bed together, they still had to have at least one of their feet planted on the ground as they're sitting on the edge of the bed.
A married straight couple, right?
So it's like, oh, well, the propaganda, there's nothing we can do about it.
This is just how it's always going to be.
There's always going to be gay people on TV.
Well, first of all, white pill that seems to be going away.
We'll talk about it in a second, but we've had laws before.
Not 2,000 years ago, not 1,000 years ago, less than 100 years ago, less than 70 years ago.
We can run it back.
Some of those laws are still in the books, actually, in the great state of Texas.
You just have to enforce them.
You just have to enforce it, right?
Like, literally, it's like, well, what can we do about this?
You can make it illegal.
Turns out you can take bad things, wield the power of the state against an evildoer, and say, hey, this pipeline that has led to thousands and thousands, millions of Gen Z saying, hey, I identify as someone who likes same sex, another couple or another person, same sex as me.
Well, what can stop this pipeline?
You can literally do it through law.
All three of those things, at some level, you can't completely stop them, of course.
And as we've alluded to, you're not going to be the police going in and knocking on people's door.
All right, it's your weekly check for you to affirm that you haven't had any homosexual thoughts.
But practically, at the public, external level, you can shut all of that down.
And in the past, we had laws that stopped all of that.
We've done it before.
And by God, we're going to do it again.
Well, it's the same as think of it like with drunkenness, for instance.
Does the Bible say that drinking alcohol is a sin?
No.
Does the Bible say that drunkenness is a sin?
Yes.
If you get drunk in your home, are you sinning before God and will you be held accountable?
Yes.
If you get drunk in your home, it's a sin before God, but is it a crime against the public?
No.
But if you get drunk publicly, right, there's drunk driving, not just a sin, crime.
Being in a drunken stupor, even if you're not behind the wheel, but you're drunk in public and yelling obscenities, then that's also not just a sin.
But a crime.
My point is, we understand how to think in categories.
We do.
We're just not willing to right now.
We're all playing dumb.
We're all playing dumb.
Well, how could you possibly ever do that?
Well, we've done it before.
We've done it before.
We can do it again.
So we have these categories for understanding this is a sin, but it's not a crime.
Or this is a sin and it is a crime.
And what makes the difference?
Well, in some cases, what makes the difference between a sin and a crime is private versus public.
The nature of that sin, if it's committed privately, it's a sin, like being drunk privately in your home versus being drunk publicly and causing disorder.
That would be not only a sin, but also a crime.
Homosexuality could be treated in the same way.
These two men are being flagrant in the public square, in the sight of the public, in the sight of minors and children.
That's not just a sin.
But this is actually a crime, and there's a certain penalty attached to that.
And if these two men choose to be serial repeat offenders, completely ignoring the laws and upping the ante over the course of years, then eventually the penalties progressively increase.
This is not inhumane.
This is not harsh.
This is not unloving.
This is actually very loving towards the younger, more vulnerable sector of your population and protecting them.
From degenerate propaganda that would seek to destroy their lives.
Yep.
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Nearly half of all LGBTQ characters will disappear from TV next season.
Glad, study, find.
Due to series cancellation, 61% of transgender individuals, characters will also be absent from TV.
Now, a lot of this.
What percent?
61%.
Those are rookie numbers.
We got to pump those numbers out.
It needs to be 99.
Yeah, but 61% still.
That is a godsend.
Yeah.
Just in time for the conclusion of the final season of Stranger Things.
I'm convinced that, honestly, the guys behind producing Stranger Things probably knew this was in the works.
They were like, look, gay doesn't sell anymore.
And so we've got to just end the whole show because we've.
Built it on the foundation, the quintessential foundation of gayness.
And if we don't have gayness, then we don't have Stranger Things.
That's not the show.
Yeah.
What are Stranger Things even going to talk about if we can't unveil another gay character in every single episode?
Yeah.
And the point is, we've talked about this before.
Culture is really shifting against this.
Since 2015, you can imagine 2017, 2018, I would say those were the high watermarks.
I mean, acceptance for gay marriages, for example, all time highs 80, 90%, even within the Republican Party.
But a number of statistics have come out since then.
It's been on the decline since about 2020 to 2021.
That's support for gay marriage, affirmation that they should have the right to marry, perceptions of that.
There's been a lot of negativity.
Who could explain why it is that people have begun to view that community negatively?
There's very much so a cultural revolution of saying, no, actually, we don't like this.
We were sold the idea, hey, this is just love.
They just want to be like normal people.
And then they looked around and they said, well, why are all these couples that are like this super promiscuous?
Why are all the couples like this, a lot of times in open marriages?
Why are all these couples like this?
I was told it is love, but But all of these seem to be getting divorced.
I know a number of people from college are like, oh, I'm gay and my husband, they were divorced within a year.
They couldn't keep it together.
So there's a widespread cultural pushback going on.
But to our point earlier, you've got to codify it.
It's not just enough for it to be about 40% stabilize, approve of it, 60% don't.
It needs to go all the way.
If you're going to get back to the point where the behaviors that make young men homosexual in their behavior, if you're going to get to the point where those behaviors are outlawed, where you can't use propaganda, where the penalty for different acts and different crimes are so stiff and so high that people wouldn't even think of attempting them, it's only when you get to that point that you're going to reverse the trend.
And to get to that point, the idea is you don't just need about 55% of people who disagree with it, you need 70%.
80, 90%.
And this message, the one we talked about in the last segment, you're not born with this.
You can change.
And there needs to be laws against this.
It's not enough in the year of our Lord, 2025, to say, hey, look, I agree sometimes they go too far.
We shouldn't have pride parades.
But at the end of the day, if they want to marry, eh, what's that's the state concern?
It very much so is.
You need to be saying those three things.
Hey, it's not something that you're born with.
You can change.
And there needs to be laws against this.
I don't want to put you on the spot, but do you think there's some other words and terms?
That needs to make a comeback as far as stigmatizing it in a powerful way.
Yeah, well, I will say, I think there's a way of, you know, we need to be careful with our words, right?
Power of life and death is in the tongue.
And so I'm not saying that, you know, this needs to be a word that you use around your children, you know, or, you know, this Christmas break, you know, with your family, you know, around nieces and nephews, be sure to, you know, to blurt out this word, you know, in every other sentence.
So we need to be cautious.
But yeah, there is some vernacular.
That, you know, that probably, it probably needs to return.
That, you know, there's a stigma of like, well, you don't want to be a bigot.
You don't want to be unloving.
You don't want to, you know, well, how would this make people like, no, homosexuality is degenerate.
It is bad for the populace.
It's bad for society.
It's been incredibly harmful.
We've seen a full court press against our own children as the sacrificial lamb in order to appease older gay men and make them feel better about themselves.
It's wicked.
It's predatory.
And I think, yeah, it is appropriate for us to be able to call it what it is and say, wait a second.
This is perverse.
It's wicked.
It's faggotry.
And it needs to stop.
I think that that's okay.
Yes, you can use that word on occasion, as I just did, to say, no, we're not going to tolerate faggotry with our children.
Cut it out.
Stop it.
Say Christ is Lord.
Stop it.
Yeah, I do think that we can use some strong language.
But again, but I don't want it to become so common that it's just, you know, it's a constant flippant, you know, I don't want the trivializing of language, but strong language, when you use it and you mean it, and it's on occasion, yeah, I don't think that it's a sin to say faggot.
In its proper context, I think you can be a Christian who fears the Lord and say, Enough is enough.
Enough is enough.
You've got the San Francisco gay choir a couple years ago writing songs, and it was not a joke.
They can claim in high school, Oh, I was just kidding.
It's not a joke.
We'll convert your children.
No, stop it, faggots.
No, you will not convert my children.
You're degenerates, you're predators, and you're evil.
In the name of Jesus Christ, stop it.
Back into the shadows.
Right?
It's not whether but which.
Every society will have a closet, and there will either be Christian children hiding in that closet with their parents, ostracized from society, or you will have sexual degenerates in that closet.
And so, yes, call me a radical.
I think the sexual degenerates are the ones, the members of society that should be in the closet, not Christian families and their children.
So, yes, it is permissible, but I do want to give that pastoral caution.
Don't just, you know, be saying the F word at Christmas in front of grandma and grandpa in every other sentence.
Don't trivialize it.
Don't be flippant.
But no, I don't think it's a sin.
I don't think it's immoral to use that word on occasion in the right context.
Yeah.
Like notice our wife and our wives and children, they're not here.
We're not saying it around them.
I've used the term in public a couple of times to refer to people literally meeting that description.
And it wasn't in the family vehicle.
We're on the way to church.
Dad's driving down Main Street.
He's looking, he's looking, where is someone that I can call this?
No.
Judiciously, the right time, egregious public displays around other men.
Hey, this needs to stop.
Using the context, understanding where you are, and saying, I think this is actually the right time for it.
It disgusts me.
I think that this is abominable.
And I'm going to call it what it is.
And guys, that has a huge impact on what people feel comfortable displaying in public.
We watched this in Georgetown as the Supreme Court struck down Roe v. Wade.
When at first the news came out, the Supreme Court's going to overturn it, and abortion rights are going to go away.
I mean, you remember, Joel, people came out in droves.
They did.
They had the pink hats that symbolized nasty things.
They had signs, you know, all the women of both sexes, they made their way out publicly, honking horns, shouting on the corner.
We were out there as well.
We were preaching the gospel.
We were singing hymns.
We were singing psalms.
But if I'm honest, in the last three years since that's been overturned, I haven't noticed any efforts like that.
Women's March was this huge thing during the first Trump administration.
We're not going to let them take our rights away.
We're not going to let them take abortion away.
Over a million women, I think, showed up to that march.
They can't get 15 people to stand on a corner at this point.
There's nothing that motivates women in America like fighting for the right to murder their children.
Yeah.
And so then.
It's pretty sad, but that's America.
They're losing their energy, is the point.
Yeah, they are.
Whether it be abortion advocates, whether it be LGBTQ advocates, like they're getting tired.
There's a city near us.
I won't give away the details of what it is.
There's a city near us that holds a pride celebration every year.
Every year they come out of the woodwork and they celebrate it downtown in the public square.
Well, they're getting so frustrated because a lot of Christians, fellow churches that we have in the area, they're coming out, they're preaching, they're singing songs, that they're getting to the point now where they're trying to rent indoor facilities and very carefully screen against Christians that would be willing to come in and preach.
And it was pretty awesome this year.
We had a group of people on their own, they came in and they disrupted it.
They were furious.
And you had more than one person in this community saying, We're exhausted.
There used to be a time where we could hold on the town square.
Pride celebration.
We could get out there and people loved us.
We would be sponsored by this brewery and that brewery and this taco shop.
And it was all love.
That's ended.
And that's ended in part because of you, Patriot.
You got out there and you said, You called the mayor, you called the town, you went to your city council meeting, you stopped shopping at that brewery that sold Pride merch for June.
You judiciously and the right time said, This behavior is so disgusting.
Here's a great term for it that needs to come back.
You did that.
The last five years, that pushback has resulted tangibly.
In the decrease of support for gay marriage.
And so, what we're saying is, finish the job, press in.
We've got them on the ropes.
Yeah.
Well said.
Amen.
All right.
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To the may he bestow blessings upon your home, to the belittlement of every other false religion, lest you be gay.
Perfect.
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All right, hopping right into the super chats.
Dapper Dan sent a super chat.
He said, Black pilling is literally gay, it's the assumption.
That behavior is immutable.
So true, King.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well said.
Jerd sent a $2 super chat.
He said, Drop a coin in the hat for pastor saying it.
You said it, though.
But you said that.
But you said it?
Yeah.
Oh, man.
T. Weller, 1776, he gave us a $5 super chat.
Just one word, not even one word, one letter W. W. Again, in reference to Ws are not just in the chat today, Ws are in the super chats today.
Isaac 556 by 45.
That's a great reference for the gun guys out there.
Said, Christ is king.
Beautiful.
Amen.
These were the simplest super chats we have ever seen.
We got one more, though.
And I love it.
Oh, okay.
We got one more.
Is it a doozy?
Yeah, this one's no bigger.
It's a good one.
It's a good question.
Okay, all right.
Here we go.
It's relevant.
It's a little bit of a black pill.
All right.
Zach Kohlberg sent in a super chat.
He said this The Supreme Court rejected oral arguments against Burgerfeld versus Hodges.
I was hoping it would be overturned, but not yet.
Question mark.
If not now, when?
I was looking forward to seeing this law trash.
10 years.
So, what he's referencing, we did a short video on this when it got scheduled for a hearing.
Kentucky, I believe Kentucky clerk, it's a woman who refused to file, refused to certify a number of gay marriages.
She said, This went against my religious convictions.
And she's the only one because she was actually prosecuted for it.
I think she was sacked with a number of fines and at one point might have even gone to jail.
She had standing to appeal to the Supreme Court and to say, Obergefell versus Hodges, that decision violated my First Amendment rights as far as the freedom of religion.
When it comes to the law, you have to have standing.
I can't just, I could, but I wouldn't get very far and say, Gay people existing in my town have oppressed me in my religion, and so I need Obergefell to overturn it.
You need actual standing to say you need to revisit this precedent.
This is violating my religious liberty.
And so, Kim Davis, this clerk, again, I think from Kentucky, she went to the Supreme Court, got all the way up there, and requested them to hear her case that she was persecuted for not obliging Obergefell versus Hodges, asking the Supreme Court to revisit and overturn it.
And we know at least two Supreme Court justices, Clarence Thomas, God bless him, he wrote in relation to Roe that the precedent established in Obergefell.
Needs to be revisited.
And I think there was one other, I forget what he said and in what context, but he also expressed openness to this as well.
So, with your kind of conservative leaning court that we have right now, I think it's five, is it five four?
Or is it six three, the balance?
What's necessary?
Not what's necessary, but the balance we have right now.
It's because some of these judges, Roberts, Amy Comey Barrett, they're not that reliable.
So, five four, six three, whatever it is, it's not great.
But the hope was it would be enough that they would agree to hear the case and eventually overturn it.
That did not happen.
They declined to actually hear the case in full court.
They declined, I think it's over 90% of cases in a given year.
So it's one of those disappointed, but not surprised.
And 10 years, that's honestly probably a good estimation.
I think public support for it would have to fall below 20%.
You would have to get a lot more litigation going.
And the Supreme Court is also going to look for the right case to take.
So there are different cases where you could rule in someone's favor, but it's not going to actually go as far as you would want to.
You'd have to grant them some type of narrow relief versus the broader repealing.
Of a given decision like a Bergefell.
So, in this, the United States, the Supreme Court could have looked at and said, we want to overturn this, at least as conservative judges, conservative judges, we want to overturn this.
We think it can happen, but this case, if we do it the wrong way or we do it too narrowly, it's not going to have the effect that we want.
So, the white pill hopefully is they want to do it.
This just wasn't the right case to take.
Same thing with Roe v. Wade, it was taking the right appeal with the right case, requesting the right relief to actually get to the point where, hey, Roe v. Wade, we're going to render that badly decided.
The woman does not have a right to an abortion under the 14th Amendment, which protects her privacy.
Right.
So, yeah, I'm not going to lie.
When you first started reading the Super Chat, I was, you know, I was like, I thought it was going to be a white pill.
It's like the Supreme Court rejected oral arguments against a Berkefeller.
Oh, damn.
At first, I was like, Chad, are we back?
We got him.
And then I read on and I realized, yeah, it's not going to happen.
Not yet.
But you're right.
I think it's something that, by God's grace, could happen in the future.
And yeah, we want righteousness to be done, but we also want it to be done effectively.
We don't want it just to, you know, like, hey, this was based, you know, and it immediately gets, you know, shut down in three months.
You know, we want things that are done effectively and in a way that where there's lasting effects.
And so hopefully the right case will come across their table and it'll be taken up.
But in order for that to happen, it's probably, you're probably right.
This is something that, you know, we don't always recognize, but, There's a truth on both sides of the equation.
Like, on the one hand, laws actually do shape the people's conscience.
On the other hand, the will of the people ultimately gives way, paves the road for laws.
And so there's a sense in which a burger fell in the first place was because the will of the people.
There was a changing sentiment among the populace that was more gay.
Gay accepting, gay affirming, you know, and that led to a certain law.
And then, you know, a burger fell with that law, you know, being in place that gave way to even more acceptance and more affirmation.
And then that was too much.
And it, you know, reached a fever pitch where a lot of people started experiencing gay fatigue and started pushing back.
And so now kind of the winds have to shift a little bit more until that law can be righted.
And I think I'm hopeful.
I'm still hopeful.
I think that it can happen.
And, you know, Like what we shared, you know, news stories like the one that we shared on today's stream, where nearly half of all LGBTQ characters will disappear from TV next season.
That's hopeful.
And so, as there's more shifts like that from the populace, then eventually that will probably find its way into the Supreme Court and where they have the backing, the support to make certain decisions.
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But it's probably just going to require more time.
Zach followed up with a super chat and said, Describe each pill, their colors, and what they mean.
These terms are new to me.
Sorry, guys.
Oh, okay.
So, not terminally online like us.
Yeah, God bless you, Zach.
You have a life.
Good for you.
So, it's just a reference from the Matrix movie, Morpheus.
You know, he holds out his hand to Neo, Keanu Reeves' character, with a red pill and a blue pill and gives him a choice.
And if he took the blue pill, then he would like go back to sleep and forget that this experience ever happened and be oblivious and ignorant.
To the matrix and be able to just live in his ignorant bliss.
So, the blue pill would represent not being awake, not being privy to what's really going on in the world and those kinds of things, being a normie.
Red pill.
So, when people say red pill, it's come to mean it's had an evolution.
At first, it was kind of in the masculine manhood.
Streams of the internet, but at this point it's it now has more of a catch all meaning.
So, red pill just means you know, you're awake when it comes to you know, like the vices of the day.
So, like, awake to feminism that's like the masculine red pill scene, but also you know, people use that to say you're awake and privy to Israel and many of its negative influences.
You know, so you can be red pilled on the Israel question, red pilled about.
Feminism, red pilled about all the race propaganda that we've experienced, DEI, BLM, those kinds of things.
So, blue pill, you're asleep.
You don't know what's going on.
Red pill, you're awake.
White pill means you're awake and hopeful that you're awake to the vile vices of the day, but hopeful for positive change.
And black pill means, yeah, you're red pilled, you're awake, you're conscious, you're aware, but you're also just doom scrolling and feel like it's kind of like Theoden, King Theoden of Rohan and the Lord of the Rings, where he finally wakes up out of his spell that he was under, where he was literally in this.
Under Saruman, the white evil wizard.
And so now he's red pilled, he's aware, but he's also black pilled.
And he's like, you know, what can men do against such evil?
You know, he knows that they're about to be attacked by, you know, forces that are far stronger and far larger than theirs.
So he's red pilled, but he's also black pilled.
So, anyways, blue pill, go back to sleep.
Red pill, wake up, see the evil around us and know what's going on.
White pill is kind of the white pill and black pill are subcategories.
Of the red pill.
So I'm awake, I've taken the red pill, but I'm also white pilled, I'm hopeful, or I've taken the red pill, I'm awake, but I'm black pilled, I'm pessimistic.
That's pretty much your pills.
That's your pillology.
Yep.
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