Los Angeles City Council members unanimously passed a sanctuary ordinance shielding illegal immigrants from federal enforcement, sparking riots involving arson and attacks on LAPD officers. Hosts condemn Governor Newsom and Mayor Bass for enabling anarchy through laws like Senate Bill 54, which they argue incentivizes neglecting native citizens for political gain. They propose restrictive policies including mandatory Christianity for citizenship, banning third-world immigration, and delaying voting rights until the third generation to restore national identity and economic prosperity, framing these measures as necessary steps against systemic decay rather than racism. [Automatically generated summary]
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Examining LA Riots00:04:00
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This past weekend, federal agents raided businesses across Los Angeles, two home depots, a clothing wholesaler, and more, arresting over a hundred illegal immigrants.
Hours later, mass protesters blocked freeways, torched federal vehicles, and hurled fireworks at LAPD officers.
The streets of LA didn't just erupt, they revealed something.
We're not just arguing over immigration enforcement, we're staring down a deeper crisis.
whether America still has the will to define who it is and the honesty to acknowledge who it has been.
For decades, California has quietly built a legal scaffolding designed to shield itself from federal immigration enforcement.
From SB fifty four to sanctuary city ordinances, local jurisdictions don't defy federal law outright.
Instead, they maneuver around it.
Now, cities like Glendale are cutting ties with ice.
while taxpayer funded activist groups rally thousands to disrupt deportations, all of it being legal, all of it coordinated, and all of it pointing to a growing divide between those who believe our national identity should be preserved and those who insist that it must be deconstructed.
Supporters of these sanctuary policies argue that they reflect compassion and community trust, but what's being obscured beneath that language is something far more consequential.
A moral unwillingness to distinguish citizen from foreigner and political unwillingness to enforce the boundaries that make a nation a nation.
We are watching our nation lose its will to be itself.
This is more than a clash over immigration.
It's a struggle over whether the American nation has the right to protect its own integrity or whether it must yield to a new order that treats enforcement as cruelty and national loyalty As a shame.
These protests, these raids, this chaos, none of it is happening in a vacuum.
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This episode is dealing with things that are happening right now.
Spontaneous Riot Mobilization00:02:19
I think these things, the riots just broke out yesterday.
Is that right?
Talked about yesterday.
They're on the way now.
They're being mobilized.
And yeah, so tonight will probably be another big night of riots.
So there are three spontaneous riots planned in at least three more cities tonight, is what I heard.
Really?
Spontaneous riots.
Don't let it be Georgetown.
Spontaneously planned.
Send me in.
That's right.
Yeah.
So, yeah, so this has just been breaking out in the last 24 hours.
I'm sure that many of our listeners have seen the photos that are circulating online.
These are riots.
They're not mostly peaceful.
They weren't mostly peaceful back in 2020.
But, you know, we had the race riots of 2020.
We currently have the immigration riots, you know, that are happening in 2025.
You have vehicles that are set on fire.
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Protest Turning Into Riot00:15:47
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So, yeah, we are talking about the uh the la riots uh today, and probably like you said, Joel, a lot of people are familiar with this, but in case not, we want to go through some of the timeline, some of the events real quick here at the beginning before we talk about just kind of why it's happening and some of the implications.
So, uh, Nate, we're going to start with video six, which is the longest of our videos, and this is um.
A former Navy SEAL who now works in the FBI just talking about what's going on and whether or not specifically President Trump was justified to send in the National Guard.
Because, of course, the media has now jumped on the fact that he sent in the National Guard without Governor Newsom's permission.
And they're making the story about that.
This is no longer a story about riots or American identity in Los Angeles.
It's now a story about federal government overreach.
Uh, President Trump is, you know, obviously a dictator, and that's that's nothing to see here with the fiery Waymo vehicles being burned big time bad dictator over here.
That's what we're going to focus on.
So, wow, uh, this guy is going to address that briefly towards the end of it and give kind of a good summary of what's happened so far.
So, Nate, let's roll video six.
My uh, FBI brethren, uh, Bobby Chicone said just a little while ago, he used a perfect term that the mayor poured fire on this, and that is exactly.
What we're seeing.
And this fire right here, LA has to remember it almost burnt down just a few months ago.
And when we start to see this type of actions, it is no longer a peaceful protest.
It doesn't matter that some people stand around.
The reality is this has gone from a protest to a riot.
And it's actually been that way for about three days now.
And this is the perfect example of where the National Guard could be used.
Usually, they're a buffer or a blocking force as an augment to law enforcement.
But when we get to this point, this is exactly why President Trump pushed and activated the National Guard in that area.
And even the mayor said that this is how incompetent she is.
She said that she knew they were being activated, but she didn't think that they would actually be on the street.
So I don't know what she thinks, but this is exactly why that incompetence, these rioters, Equal the National Guard being called up, and that the mayor wasn't going to do it, and he or excuse me, the governor wasn't going to do it, then the president did the right thing.
And this is why citizens should not have to deal with this kind of nonsense.
That I will say this if we look at this historically over the past decade, this is not about Mexicans being deported, this is about the left organized, and these many of these protesters are organized and shipped all over the country.
They can start a protest, they can start a riot within a couple of hours anywhere in the country.
That's how organized they are.
We see the same tactics, we see the same uniforms and outfits that they wear.
And right now, what's happening, it's still daylight.
If law enforcement and the National Guard get a hold on this and push these people out of there, they will win for tonight.
And that's what they need to start thinking about, not waiting until the evening.
They need to be active right now.
Yeah.
And we hear KTLA, our affiliate on the ground, reporting that about half a dozen.
Cars are now on fire, and that one we were zoomed into moments ago, it does appear to be a Waymo.
There was the self driving technology on the top of that car.
But again, LAPD reporting that demonstrators were stopping these cars driving on Los Angeles north of Arcadia Street and then setting them on fire.
It's incredibly disturbing to see.
I mean, you mentioned the National Guard now being deployed to the LA area today.
How long would you expect them to stay here, given the severity of the situation now?
Well, they were, I think they were originally deployed because they, I Was being attacked and federal agents were being attacked, they weren't able to do their job.
But now this is occurring where now you're starting to see potential loss of life.
You're definitely seeing damage of private property and even potentially public property.
If the, again, if the governor is not going to do something, look right there now, you're seeing two fires where there was just one.
If the governor is not going to stop this and the mayor is not going to push the power forward and tell the people to go home, although I don't think that's going to have any bearing on this crowd, then it is in the president's authority to go out there and protect the public.
That, if the governor of a state is not going to do it, The president can step in there and do it.
This, I can tell you right now, is not only going to spread in that city, it's going to spread around the country.
And these fires, what we're seeing right here, I think is the beginning of potential something greater than just a riot.
I think you may start to see some buildings burn here pretty soon.
Well, I don't know if you saw those of you watching the video, not listening to the podcast later on, but at one point, you know, there's lots of people waving Mexican flags.
There were some people waving American flags, but then across the street, there was the guy who was carrying the American flag upside down, which to me is just.
Even that American flag, I saw it.
It's like two minutes in.
At least somebody's flying an American flag.
And then he gets a little bit more in the frame.
And it's a half Mexican, half American flag.
Thanks.
I hate it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So this did start because ICE did some raids of kind of day laborers standing outside of places where typically people would go to hire people just to come and work for a day outside of Home Depot or some other shops.
And this has been a common practice for a long time where.
People, usually immigrants or illegal aliens, will go and stand outside of Home Depot, and that line means, Hey, I'm willing to give you physical labor.
You pay me a day's work.
And so people would come by and take them and do a day's work, and the guy would get money, and that would be it.
So ICE was like, You're lining up for us?
Okay, thank you very much.
And so they arrested over 100 of these illegal aliens who were involved in this.
And then that was Thursday.
Friday is when some of these organizations that we'll talk about in a little bit got wind of this.
They very quickly, like the guy in the video said, organized protests.
They did start as marches and very quickly descended into burning things and setting things on fire.
The Waymo cars, they kind of made me laugh a little bit.
I'm not happy that they destroyed a bunch of these Waymo self driving taxis.
But I said to my kids this morning as I was researching for this, I said, you know what that Waymo taxi needs is a driver inside of it who would have seen what was going on and taken off immediately.
Yeah, that's true.
I was like, they didn't program the.
Escape from riot mode into the wave, right?
Right, yep.
The cameras aren't looking like Mexican flag, Mexican flag, Mexican flag.
Oh, hang on, get out of here.
That's right, yeah, yeah.
Um, okay, so I want to highlight that this is much more than a protest, and so we're going to show some of these videos that, um, are a little bit more, um, they're not graphic, but they're going to be a little more angering, I think, for some of us.
So, Nate, let's go ahead and move, um, to video number two, and I forgot the funny one, so maybe we'll do that when we come back from the break, right?
Um, yeah.
We were going to lead with that.
That's my bad.
But let's go to video number two, please.
So there have already been pictures of conveniently placed pallets of cinder blocks around these areas.
Wow.
That the protesters were grabbing the cinder blocks off of, breaking with a hammer right there on the spot.
and then throwing at policemen and obviously at the law enforcement vehicles there as well.
So, this video didn't show it.
And the police officer had, or I don't know if he was ICE or police, he had a helmet on, maybe supplied by David Reese.
But it's still a pretty jarring image.
They throw this cinder block.
It wasn't a full block, but it was a big chunk, and it hits him right in the head and knocks his helmet off.
And he gets up and runs back under the overpass.
But they were actually stuck under that overpass for a little while because they're obviously not going to shoot back with live ammunition.
And so they're just.
That could have killed him.
Yeah, absolutely.
It could have killed him.
Yeah, yeah.
So it got very violent.
It was destruction of property.
Who are these people who were like that video we just watched, the ones who are like throwing things?
That's the question.
Are these illegal immigrants?
No, actually, what I will get to it a little bit later, but some of the people who are reporting on this are saying that there actually aren't a lot of illegals in the crowd because they're worried about getting rounded up and deported.
That makes sense.
These are either sympathizers, Mexican sympathizers, or these are just the, I saw someone in the chat say, I thought it was a good phrase, the rent a riot crowd that showed up all over the place in 2020, the Summer of Love.
Um, those ones at least they're they didn't they weren't wearing the face masks, they looked face masks, they looked Hispanic, so most likely they're legal citizens of the U.S. or if you're on a green card or something, what I was thinking is yeah, green carded or legal citizens.
And and I didn't think about the you know the rent a riot, um, but if they are rent a riot, if they are being you know paid operatives, um, they still like it's it's just not a coincidence, and I think I think it's worth meriting, like, um, they are Hispanic, very clearly, those ones there from the video, yep.
That the people who are fighting for illegal immigrants to stay here, many from Mexico and Latino countries, are also Latino themselves.
Do you have much on Trump's advance and DHS and everything's response later on?
I don't want to jump ahead.
No, I don't.
So if you want to jump into that, go ahead.
I mean, a little bit, but go ahead.
Yeah, I love how Cameron Stevenson said, These videos make me angry.
And it actually does.
And I'm going to be honest, we're not full plan trusters, but we like to hope, we like to be optimistic.
But I've got to be honest, the response from at least actionable Stephen Miller, your Mark Homan, Department of.
Stephen Miller's been good.
Pete Hegseth.
Pete Hegseth.
Department of Homeland Security, Christy Nome.
Yeah, no, you're thinking the border.
Ice.
It's just ice, right?
Yeah, yep, ice.
Honestly, the result practically on the ground, the rhetoric's been good.
But guys, where, like Trump said, masks are not allowed.
Could you enforce that?
And here's the problem of the optics you come in hard, you come in with force, and you potentially inflame.
More riots.
Like, that's one of the difficulties.
Like, if you roll in and you beat people up, like, videos will come out of it, and you beat people up with masks and you throw them in prison, you're going to get a lot of anti police or anti immigration or anti military riots, then all across the country.
So, then you've taken what in LA could sputter out in a couple of days, and all over the country, every major city, protesting against the rule of law, this, that, or the other.
So, practically, you are in, and I don't want to take it away from them, a rock and a hard place.
You come in hard, you crack down, you make all the masks come off.
I mean, you're dealing with probably a full on civil war in some of the most populous cities in the nation.
People will take the streets, then you'll have more of that and more videos coming out.
But also, too, there comes a certain point where, like, well, I don't want to fight this fight, or you're in the airport with a toddler who's going off four hours of sleep.
Like, well, maybe I'm not going to fight this fight right now.
But there comes a certain point when you are the magistrate, when you're vested with authority to say, we are not just dealing with somebody who took a trash can and dumped it over and they flew a flag of a foreign country.
We're talking about assault with intent to battery, assault with intent to injure.
We're talking about destruction of those Waymo cars are not cheap.
These are not Nissan Altimas, people.
These are $100,000 cars that personal companies, like you said, Michael, we're going to be going to buildings here soon.
At a certain point, you have to say, and this is what Trump's been hesitant to do.
And same thing.
And I understand there's funding problems.
I understand there's optic problems.
At a certain point, you have to cross the Rubicon.
Like, this is the biggest test of his presidency so far.
And the response so far, we're going to have to be honest, has been pathetic.
You have US police officers trapped under bridges as protesters wearing Soviet sickle and flag capes, some of them, and waving foreign flags, rain rocks and cinder blocks down on them.
Like, are we going to take this?
And so far, the answer has been yes.
We need to see tonight National Guard and we need to see Marines.
And not just there, making sure don't act up.
The National Guard, 2,000 have been deployed.
I haven't seen any of them, like, arrest would be a big thing.
Correct.
I haven't seen any video of arrest.
It's been more like crowd control and things like that.
So I'm not just talking like they're there in the street and it's like, don't act up, don't act up.
But the people that do act up, hey, mask off, mask off, mask off, and making arrest.
You have to have a show of force or you will be bullied by these bullies and it'll get worse.
Yep.
If that wasn't infuriating enough, let's show video number three here, Nate.
Don't get me started.
These are anti ICE protesters.
Yes, but if you just squint, it could easily be the BLM protesters or the Free Palestine protesters or the Resist Doge protesters or the Resist ICE in this case protesters.
It is this dirtbag coalition of leftist, violent, so called protest that has been a huge problem in this country for years.
So, this is something that we're going to get into a little bit later on, but there were multiple groups involved in this.
It was Palestinian flags, it was people wearing the Uh, the kefirs, or no, that's a drink, the kafas, or whatever I forget what it's called.
Um, so, um, but I saw a video that was posted in Mexico on social media there, and that motorcycle guy I don't know, it was hard to tell, but the way that the text was phrased about that guy driving around that car, it was almost like they were presenting him as a heroic, sympathetic figure, right?
Like he's fighting for your rights back to Mexico.
Authoritarian Tendencies Rising00:15:06
Up there in the United States in Los Angeles.
And it was interesting to me that that video was presented very sympathetically right down on so much social media accounts down in Mexico.
Just to even because this is happening, Trump an hour ago, I don't want a civil war.
And then 45 minutes ago, US military will be deploying around 700 Marines.
Those were kind of promised yesterday.
But they're actually.
But they were only going to do 200 yesterday.
I think it was 500 that were inbound.
So now it's up to 700.
Hopefully they actually hit the streets.
And then same thing, Trump, like I kind of alluded to.
He's like, I don't want a civil war.
Right.
But at what point can you just not live with these people?
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
Right.
Let's jump over to video four.
And this has the potential to become the mostly peaceful protest video of this chapter of our glorious American polity.
So, video number four here, Nate.
Large group of people.
It could turn very volatile if you move law enforcement in there in the wrong way and turn what is just a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn into a massive.
Confrontation and altercation between officers and demonstrators.
In case you missed that, that announcer just said all that's going on is a bunch of people are just having a good time watching cars burn downtown LA.
So we could take it from this wholesome recreation in front, and then we could actually have a problem.
We don't have one right now.
We don't have one now.
In fact, I heard one of the Jeff Childers called this something about the fiery fiesta in LA.
They're just out having a party, a barbecue.
They're.
Chilling, watching the cars burn, and it's estimated to spread.
And I, for a little while there, I think we kind of thought like maybe a little bit of the separation's over.
Like, if you're in California, but the rural area, right?
You know, you're on the family farm, six generations, button down the hatches, endure it.
But honestly, again, we're going to see the dynamic of red states versus blue states.
Yeah, so your blue states, especially Portland, Washington, there in the northwest, uh, probably spreading to the east coast, they're not going to do much about it.
But as far as Florida and Texas goes, uh, you stand very little risk whatsoever.
Like, they're going to deal with that quickly.
I think even DeSantis.
Criticized the attorney general was like, I don't know if I'm going to send them in or not.
He says something to the effect of, I will fire you.
I'm sending people in if people even try to start a protest.
I want to hit a little bit about how this is being framed.
So, Nate, after I read this quote, which I didn't send to you, this is just me going to read it.
We're going to jump to video five if you have that one.
But what's already happening is Trump is being presented as mean, cruel, lack of compassion, unkind, and overstepping his reach.
And the mayor of Los Angeles and even Gavin Newsom have come out and said, We had the situation under control.
And if we would have needed the National Guard, we would have deployed it on our own.
However, this is from the New York Post.
The New York Post says, Police in Los Angeles finally begin moving to disperse the anti ICE rioters late on Saturday.
So, okay, great.
The police finally did move in to disperse the rioters.
But here's the thing after President Trump announced that he was sending in the National Guard.
The point of this article is they actually were just going to indefinitely wait.
And it wasn't until Trump said, the guard is coming.
They're on the ground.
And they're like, okay, okay, okay, we'll step in.
We'll actually put police on the ground.
Until then, cops were under orders to stand down.
Can you imagine being an actual decent cop in Los Angeles?
You see this going on, and your orders from your captain, your sergeant are stand down, right?
I can't imagine being a decent cop in Los Angeles.
Fair enough.
I would never live there.
The orders were to stand down as the, quote, mostly peaceful protesters, unquote.
Hurled rocks, bricks, and fireworks at federal agents.
And here's the thing it's a turf war.
They were unwilling to go in and defend federal agents, ICE, Immigration Control Enforcement, because they're mad that Trump wants to deport illegal aliens.
And so their policy is this is our armed service.
That's the federal armed service.
We're not getting involved, even though they are literally under attack.
The rioters filmed their own violence, sharing it on social media.
And it all followed Mayor Karen Bass's incendiary words on Friday as she slammed ICE raids, taking dozens of illegal immigrants into custody.
We will not stand for this, Bass declared, insisting ICE's actions, quote, sow terror in our communities and disrupt basic principles of safety in our city, end quote, and bragging that her office was, quote, in close coordination with community organizations.
Community organizations.
Exactly.
I'm sure they were in close coordination with the community organizations.
She probably isn't lying.
So, real quick, Steve K had a good comment.
I just want to respond, but he said there's no such thing as blue cities or blue states, but only blue cities.
The thing that I think you have to keep in mind is I understand that if you're talking about what, you know, blueness in the sense of the people themselves and the voters, that's true.
Like, I understand.
I live in California, you know, for a little over 10 years.
And yeah, there's plenty of rural places in California and small towns that are deeply conservative, deep red.
But there is such a thing as blue states in the sense.
That, um, that even though, yeah, all these people who vote blue are congregated in, you know, maybe just three or four cities that make the whole state, you know, go blue, it does make the whole state go blue in the sense of legislation.
You now have a Democrat governor who, um, who does have authority over your small red town.
Yes, you still have your mayor, you still have your sheriff, you still have the county.
Um, but what we're talking about is like on this level, when it gets to the level of, um, Needing governor authority to call in special forces to be able to stop a riot and those kinds of things, you need your governor to be on your side, not just your mayor.
Your governor makes the decision about whether you lock down for COVID.
Yeah, exactly.
So it's like that was not a city by city.
It's like, well, I live in a red city.
And so it's fine that I happen, that red city or town happens to be in the state of California.
No, but it was the governor of California who's eating, you know.
At a five star restaurant, yeah, while you're locked inside of your house, so um, it actually significantly matters, yeah, yeah, significantly matters.
And I, you know, I got a bunch of flack, you know, a few years ago when I talked about the importance of where you live.
Um, but right now is not a great time, right, to be in California, especially like even more so one of the major cities, but even the state as a whole.
Cameron Stevenson, there's anti ice protests being planned tonight in Austin.
I don't think they'll get anywhere to that scale.
But even practically, I think almost every city, there's a close to just unanimous moral imperative for fathers to get families out.
It's one thing if you're a single man, but practically, and then ideally, you live in a red city.
Red city in a blue state, that's better than blue city in a blue state.
So if you're in a red city, it's in a blue state.
Still not great, better than living in Los Angeles.
But ideal is, of course, a red town in a red state for the protection of your family, your ability to school, practical protection, your legal rights, taxes, all of those different things.
Yeah.
Yeah.
At some point, it does like, Wes is right.
Like, I understand life is hard and it's difficult with like job and affordability.
And these, I understand, I'm not saying it's easy or that it's simple, but, um, but to at least be working towards, um, not living in Portland, not living in Los Angeles.
And I'm talking like in Portland, like I'm not talking 30 minutes outside, but like you live in Portland.
Yes.
Like, what, yeah, yeah, if you're living in, you know, city proper, a mate, one of these major blue cities, and it's also a blue state.
And you're not a single man, but you have a wife and you have kids, you have daughters.
Right.
Then, yeah, at a certain point, you are being irresponsible.
Before we go to our commercial break, I want to transition into the next section talking about why this is all happening by playing a clip from the man that you just mentioned, Gavin Newsom himself.
And he has some very reasonable things to say about all of this.
Brace yourself.
Nate, this is going to be video number five.
Your decency, Mr. President, stop.
It's time for you to be a commander-in-chief of the United States of America.
Donald Trump has created the conditions you see on your TV tonight.
He's exacerbated the conditions.
He's lit the proverbial match.
He's putting fuel on this fire.
Democracy is in the balance.
I mean, you're seeing these authoritarian tendencies now are being acted out by this administration.
And we're a case in point as it relates to nationalizing, federalizing the National Guard.
Put your hands off these poor people.
They're just trying to live their lives, man.
Trying to live their lives, paying their taxes.
Been here 10 years.
The fear, the horror.
The hell is this guy?
Come after me.
Arrest me.
Let's just get it over with.
Tough guy.
You know, I don't give a damn.
But I care about my community.
I care about this community.
The hell are they doing?
This is about authoritarian tendencies.
This is about command and control.
This is about power.
This is about ego.
My way or the highway.
This is a consistent pattern of practice, of recklessness.
This guy has abandoned the core principles of this great democracy.
He's threatening to, what, go after judges he disagrees with, cut off funding to institutions of higher learning.
You're creating the conditions that you claim you're solving, and you're not.
And you're putting real people's lives at risk.
This is a serious moment and it requires serious leadership.
And it's time for you to be a commander in chief of the United States of America.
And I will have your back if you want to work in a relationship of trust and truth in the spirit of our founding fathers.
But you come after poor kids, you come after families.
We will do everything in our power to stand up and stand in your way.
I'm going to call a quick audible here because Trump actually directly addressed this.
So, Nate, let's play video number one, the one that Joel posted, or the one that I posted.
and Joel approved earlier today.
My fellow Americans, it is with overwhelming enthusiasm that I am declaring that anyone who protests or interferes with ICE and their operations is officially gay, big time.
With that being said, go ahead and call your dads, tell them about your alternative lifestyle as a gay communist, and then, who knows, maybe eat a lollipop.
I don't know what flamers do with their time, but I'd imagine it's something along those lines.
Maybe decorate a bathroom, who knows?
In either case, this is who you are now, and everybody knows that cats out of the bag.
Cat is out of the bag.
I wish that was his response.
That's a beautiful response.
And it's fitting for the month of June.
It is a very, very gay thing to be one of these protesters.
I wanted to comment on Gavin Newsom's just absolutely shameful, wicked.
I mean, he's a wicked, wicked guy.
I honestly, I just, obviously, he's wicked, but like as far as the hate, he's the quintessential perfect politician.
Nobody plays the game better than him.
Oh, yeah.
From the hair to the outfit to the rhetoric.
Yep.
No, he is.
But I was just listening to that.
And when he said, like, this is unconstitutional, illegal, and immoral.
And I guess what I want to say about that, I just think we have to come to this point where we recognize what's going on.
I don't think it's unconstitutional.
I actually think he may be right that it may be illegal, but it is not immoral.
Right.
Like, and at a certain point, like that, that's what we're dealing with here is like, well, but the judges had this ruling or had, like, I don't care.
I don't care.
It's wrong.
It's wrong.
These judges are wicked and they are exercising power that, from a transcendent, ultimate standpoint, is immoral.
And then, even from the standpoint of our founding as a country, we did not set up a country that made judges monarchs.
That's not our system.
The president has far more constitutional power, the executive branch.
Of government and what's at the president's disposal has far more power than any American president has used in 50 to 100 years.
But it's actually there constitutionally.
So it is not unconstitutional.
It's certainly not immoral.
But it might actually be, in terms of jurisdictions in the state of California and in this local county, whatever, it might actually be legal.
And if that's the case, It's because California is corrupt.
And so, at a certain point, and then the second thing I wanted to point out is it's not a coincidence how often, like you could tell, even from that video with Gavin, it's always our sacred democracy.
And I just want to agree with Gavin when he says, he's like, quite literally, our democracy is at stake.
And what people need to realize is that's absolutely true.
And we are rooting against democracy.
That's why they're fighting so hard.
Democracy is at stake.
If good prevails, democracy will fall.
And may it rest in peace, you know, or rest in pieces.
But like, he's right.
Like, he's like, this is against democracy.
So, in the same way, he says, this is illegal.
He's right.
But the laws are wrong.
Or this is against democracy.
He's right.
Democracy is wicked.
It's wrong.
It's immoral.
Overruling The People's Vote00:02:18
No, like that's not how a people should function that you can just import people by the millions and then all of a sudden have 50% plus one of a vote.
I mean, you see, like, even what was it?
I would have to look it up, but I can't remember if you sent it to me, Wes, but it was like one judge in California in like.
A high district that made a ruling back in like either the 80s or the 90s, and they overruled something that the people actually voted for.
Yeah.
And that allowed, that directly allowed for mass immigration.
It was all the benefits.
So, your education, your housing, your hospitals, your medical, it directly struck down a provision that would have stripped them.
And that's what's crazy is actually democratically, the people said they voted on it.
I think it was Proposition 182, 185.
We don't want to give them that.
And then the judge, she came in, a woman, and said, Well, and she cited the Constitution.
All this violates the Constitution, this, that, or the other.
Nope, you've got to have it, even though you didn't want it.
You have to have it, meaning like financial government issued benefits from health care to this, that, and the other.
The same thing happened with gay marriage in California for illegal immigrants.
Oh, wow.
And so you just, like, the bed has been made.
For a very long time.
This is not like, oh, we just started making some bad decisions.
No, you, universal suffrage, raw democracy, an elevated judicial branch, and the executive branch having his hands tied behind his back.
Like the whole scene has been perfectly set for a very long time for a takeover of the country.
Yep.
Yep.
And Marcus, Prop 8, that was the one, the gay marriage one, same thing.
The people voted against it.
Yep.
And then they just came in and said, nope, we're going to do it again.
They just ruled over it.
Yep.
Yep.
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So interesting.
That's good.
Definitely keep our eyes on.
Can you imagine they just engage that bad boy just for a little show of force?
There's a show of force level where nobody's protesting in the bow.
They're in Austin, like, Shut it down.
We're done.
Go home.
And everyone says we will.
Well, how did we come to the state?
And we've already touched on some of them, but the state where not only are these sorts of things going on, but they are promoted and really kind of applauded.
So, Senate Bill 54 was enacted in 2017 in California.
This law.
Bars state and local law enforcement from using resources to assist ICE.
So you have to think about this.
ICE is out, they've arrested someone, or they say, hey, we need police backup, or something like this.
We've got a couple agents on site, but there's something going down.
And the local sheriff before that could have said, yeah, we'll send out some guys to help back you up.
California said, no, this is terrible.
So they pass a law in 2017 that says local law enforcement, you would be in violation of state law if you go out and you assist.
ICE or federal agents like that with border enforcement.
And so they proactively are preventing any sort of state law enforcement.
They made the bet.
I'm helping.
Yes, they absolutely made their bet.
And Texas just passed this legislative session, SB 8, which gives increased tools for local law enforcement to coordinate with ICE and mandates it.
California did that.
And then we just came in and said, no, you will work together.
And again, think about that as it relates to blue and red states.
You have a family, you have children, you have a wife.
If you're in this scenario and you're living in a state and it's like, well, You know, my mayor is concerned, but like you're living in a state where it's literally illegal for the state law enforcement to work with, you know, National Guard or something like that that's coming when there's a crisis and a riot and they're throwing bricks and lighting, you know, cars on fire.
And God forbid, like it could get worse, you know, and all of a sudden there's gunfire and things like that.
And you're living in a state where the police, it's literally, there's a law against your police coming.
And then you're living in a state like ours where there's provisions for even more.
Like, there is a moral calculus as a father, as a husband, when thinking of the safety of your family.
It's not just like you're being legalistic.
I can live where I want.
And the original intention of federal programs like the Federal Bureau of Investigation, of course, Immigration, Customs, and Enforcement, was that with different states, it could be difficult.
So imagine if someone, we got wind of him, we found him at the Home Depot in Los Angeles, and he books it to Arizona, and all you have is local law enforcement.
You don't have the resources nor the jurisdiction to track.
So, the original purpose of the system was, of course, to work locally.
This was with the mob and with gangsters back in the day, to work with local law enforcement to track things that they necessarily couldn't.
It's insane.
And you know who probably passed it was individuals sympathetic to immigrants, individuals Mexican themselves, in your legislator, in your house, and then signed by the governor who said, We'll get this in there so it'll be harder to get our family members, those who come over, those who are just like me out of the state.
Yep.
After Trump got elected in November, Before the end of the month, the city of Los Angeles passed local guidelines, well, not guidelines, policies to declare itself a sanctuary city.
So, Nate, this I think is quote number one.
I think I sent it to you.
And this is from an article describing this move to become a sanctuary city.
Yep, there it is.
The Los Angeles City Council on Tuesday approved a so called, quote, sanctuary city and quote, ordinance that bars city resources from being used for immigration enforcement and city departments from sharing information on people without legal status.
Illegal alien with federal immigration authorities in anticipation of potential mass deportations under President Trump.
Council members voted here it is unanimously on the measure.
Quote, we're going to send a very clear message that the city of Los Angeles will not cooperate with ICE in any way.
End quote.
And so, Joel, it's exactly what you said.
They, I mean, they moved within weeks of President Trump being elected in November as a virtue signal.
And now they made their bed and they're lying in it now.
Yeah.
Yep.
There's so many different factors, but simply put, it's like, yes, so they did these things intentionally and preemptively and wickedly in order to set the stage for anarchy and lawlessness and endanger their citizens.
But then when you think of incentives, like, why?
So that's wrong.
But then when you think of the larger system of what incentivizes this kind of wrongdoing by our civil leaders, Votes.
Yeah.
Like, what incentive do they have to say, like, we will endanger the native citizens in our city and our state in order to prefer foreigners who have come here illegally?
Many of them criminals, they're all criminals by virtue of coming illegally, but some of them acting out other crimes that endanger our citizens.
And we're going to not protect our citizens and instead protect those who are endangering.
Our citizens, like, why would any?
I just think of like everything this, all the volumes, Lex Rex, and all these, like, about the civil magistrate from a Christian perspective for centuries of how this the civil father is a father, he cares about his citizens, not just citizens of the world, but he cares about their like his his you know, his civil children, and he wants to nurture and protect.
I think, like, what could do that?
Like, us, well, a system where his power.
The civil magistrate's power is prolonged and shored up by the foreigner coming in.
And it's like, that's what democracy does.
Democracy incentivizes wicked rulers to neglect or even harm their native citizens at the benefit of the foreigner because they can buy the votes.
And Michael, you said it.
Previously, in another discussion of ours, but it's not even just that the immigrants would be able to vote, although we know there are cities that allow without documentation voting.
But it's not even just to get the votes, but just by their mere presence of being residents, it boosts the population numbers of that county, that state, and gives more power in other larger areas.
They get more representatives in the House of Representatives, they get more electoral college votes.
Yeah, yep.
And so, So, you're literally like our system.
I like at some point you have to own the fact that, like, our system incentivizes wickedness.
And so, to say, like, well, we just need to get back to the system, the system gave you this, right?
Of what use was the rule if it led you to this?
No country for old men.
Yeah.
It's like, it's like, well, we just need to, the Constitution, you know, we need to do this.
Like, this led us to this.
So, yeah.
And not even to say it was bad.
Needing Return To Christ00:15:36
Oh, all the flaws for the whole time, they're always there.
But to say, in a time like ours, globalism and immigration, that it's not as suited for those threats, at least in its form that has been interpreted now.
It's just not suited for those threats because it was written when these weren't even a factor.
Right.
That's so.
So, it addressed the things it needed to then and established our independence.
And now we face a new battle and we'll see.
But over reliance on the things of the past, like, well, we just got to do it the way we've always done.
We haven't faced something like this before.
You have to think differently than maybe we have.
Right.
Yeah.
That's not it.
My argument is not.
I appreciate you saying that, Wes, but because my argument's not to say, and so this proves that there were always these immoral, you know, deep, profound flaws, you know, from the beginning.
Well, because that goes to the system that was before it and the system that was before it.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So that's not my position.
My position is not that our system has always been deeply flawed or that the Constitution, you know, from day one contained these like very clear, you know, loopholes or problems.
That's not my position.
My position is that countries change.
Right.
The people change.
And when the people change dramatically, then you have to be willing to say, like, okay, so we have a system that protects against this enemy.
This particular enemy is not currently our enemy.
There's this other enemy, and we need to shore up, make the necessary changes and protections against the current enemy that's facing us.
Even theologically, I'll have conversations with Christians about this all the time because we're all reformed in our theology.
And I'm planning on talking a little bit about this this week in Ogden at the Safety Third Conference, which I'm excited about.
But I plan, we'll see if it makes it into the talk, but I plan to have a portion where I say, Essentially, I say, like, if God chose to resurrect Luther and Calvin today, and all of a sudden they just,
as a supernatural miracle of God, they materialize in your living room, and God, in his providence, saw fit for you to be the one to brief them, catch them up on about half a millennia, 500 years.
And you say, all right, well, politically, this is what's currently going on here in America.
Culturally, this is what's currently going on here in America.
And then theologically and ecclesiologically, in the last 500 years since the Reformation, this is where we're at.
This is some of the progress.
These are some of the weaknesses and failures.
This is where the Roman Catholic Church is at today.
And the Pope, shocker, he's still not really doing too hot.
He's still kind of rebellious to the Lord Jesus Christ.
They're still praying to saints and to Mary and these kinds of things.
And then, you know, you go on, that's the largest part of your briefing.
You know, you're getting fired up and you're starting to, you know, to quote from memory the latest, you know, session from Ligonier.
You know, the Reformation continues 500 years later, Semper Reformanda.
When you finally stop, I think Luther and Calvin would say, yeah, the Reformation continues and Rome is still a tyrant.
Now, tell me more about these facts.
I think they would be like, you're an idiot.
The premier, quintessential enemy of our time was the Roman Catholic Church.
But you just briefed me on everything going on, and that is not the premier enemy of your time.
Doctrine matters, theology matters, sola grazia matters.
But if I'm on the beach standing on the sand and somebody is Is drowning in the surf and waves are going over their head and they're about to die.
I'm not going to raise my voice and preach the gospel.
I'm going to do everything I can within my physical ability to go out and to save their physical life from drowning.
And then once I pull them up on the shore and they cough up water and gain consciousness, I then will probably have some piece of conversation where I say, Hey, I'd love to exchange contact information so maybe we could get coffees sometime.
I'm a Christian and I'd love to tell you about Jesus if you're willing to do that.
But I'm not going to shout the gospel from the shore as they're drowning.
The impending most urgent threat, like I understand that once ultimate, we're talking about heaven and hell, once eternal, once ultimate.
But in terms of urgency, they need to be alive, physically alive, in order to believe the gospel.
And that's the first need.
And so, like, when I look at our country and what's going on, it's like, well, we need to return to Christ.
Yes.
We need sound doctrine.
Yes.
And so I think the church as an institution, not the people, right?
Because Christians are a part of the church, but then they also have six other days a week where they're in their industry, their vocation, in their homes with their children, their families, their community, all these different things.
And some Christians are a part of the civil magistrate and holding civil office.
And you might be a city council member, whatever.
So the church as an institution is fairly simple.
I'm not saying it's easy.
They can be simple things that are still hard things, but it's the church as an institution.
It's word and sacrament.
And so the church is going to be preaching, and it's going to be preaching sound doctrine, and it's going to be preaching both an individual, a call to individual repentance.
And I believe there should also be a call coming from the church, consistent and clear to national repentance.
America must return to Christ and repent of its sin and repent of this and repent of that.
That's the church as an institution.
Beyond that, though, the immediate urgent threat, if you're a civil magistrate or even as a private citizen who is a Christian, but in your other capacities outside of your role as a churchman, right?
Whether you're an elder or a deacon or a church member, whatever, your other capacities, six other days a week, America is drowning.
America is drowning.
And for you to stand on the shore, And raise your voice and preach the gospel louder and only preach the gospel.
I'm not advocating for anything less, but to only preach the gospel and to not say, wait a second, we're not going to have a country to be able to call to national repentance.
We're not like that's about to go away.
We have got to stop the bleed out.
Right now, I use the drowning analogy, but perhaps a better one is there's a gaping wound and America's about to bleed out and die.
I think of immigration in those terms, and I understand the arguments.
I've talked to the abolitionists, God bless them, you know, and well, being overrun by foreigners is the consequence for human sacrifice and abortion.
So, yes, like sodomy and abortion, I would include those sins in particular, perhaps above all others, in that the church as an institution in its call for national repentance, so preaching the gospel and calling the nation to repentance.
But I would say it's not.
People think, well, you got to do that first.
You got to repent of these sins before the judgment, because they would view it as the mass immigration and a foreign takeover is the judgment for the sins of sodomy and abortion.
And what I would say is the judgment is just about to kill us.
And so I would say it's not, okay, so deal with the symptoms and then the root, repent of the sins.
I'm not advocating for that either.
What I'm saying is I think it has to be simultaneous.
I think it has to be Christians wearing multiple hats as a church dealing with the root.
Return to Christ, repent of your sins, especially these two human sacrifice through abortion by the millions and flagrant sexual perversion with the LGBT mafia.
But then those same Christians and even co belligerents who are not Christians but have common sense and want America not to commit suicide.
In our other six days a week, in our other capacities, not as churchmen, but as whatever you are a business owner and as a father and a mother and a city council member yes, you are trying to put pressure on the wound and stop the bleed.
We're not accelerationists.
Like I've heard some of the abolitionists get real close, if not outright use that language of basically, well, if we don't stop abortion, then America doesn't deserve to exist.
And, like, even with the Kamala Trump thing, like, I remember talking to guys and saying, these are the two options.
I'm not voting for abortion.
I'm voting for a president, and we will either have one or the other.
And I'm going to do that while simultaneously, as a Christian, as a churchman, and in my case, as a pastor, calling for national repentance for abortion.
The human sacrifice must stop.
And voting as a private citizen, For the option that will also, if the judgment is the invasion and the sin is abortion, also preaching against the sin, abortion, and voting to stop the invasion.
So that America actually lasts.
And the retort from some of these brothers in Christ, and they are brothers in Christ, and I love them and appreciate them, was basically along the lines of none of them saying, I'll vote for Kamala, but saying, I'm not going to vote for either because Trump isn't an abolitionist.
And you could hear some of them actually gave it away and said it out loud.
I hope Kamala wins because I want the judgment of God to accelerate because I know Kamala will lead towards more illegal immigration and a foreign invasion.
And I actually hope the judgment accelerates until the sin is repented of.
And I kept thinking, last thing here, I kept thinking about the judges because that's kind of, I feel like, the time that we're in right now.
I keep thinking about Samson and I think about Gideon.
And the time of Judges is kind of an in between.
It's an interim period, you know, between Moses and Joshua.
And there's a clear system that Israel originally has.
It's like the founding of Israel, you know, in their government and the system of like strong leaders, Moses and Joshua, and there were other leaders, you know, beside them.
But before the kings.
And then there's kind of like this Mad Max, you know, season in between.
And that's the judge.
And I was thinking about the judges and I was thinking, well, the only reason why the Chaldeans and all these different people are overrunning Israel and that they're experiencing all these terrible events that are taking place is a judgment for their sin and wickedness and turning from Yahweh.
And yet, the Lord did not just raise up prophets to call them to repentance for their idolatry, they're being punished by other nations as God's rod for their idolatry.
But God did not just raise up prophets to preach a message of repentance from idolatry.
He also simultaneously raised up judges to actually deal with his own judgment that he providentially sent as a consequence for the idolatry.
So he didn't just raise up, here's a preacher to preach national repentance for Israel, and then the invasion will stop, and then the oppression from the Chaldeans will stop.
He also raises up Gideon, not just to preach a call of repentance from idolatry.
But also to go and kick the enemy's butts.
And he did the same thing with Samson.
It's both.
I was going to say, I believe we can, but I actually have come to a place where I don't believe evangelicals can walk and chew gum at the same time.
I actually.
I was hopeful, but.
The abolitionists have told me outright, you literally cannot walk and chew gum at the same time.
And it breaks my heart because, again, we're not saying anything less.
Yes, I believe abortion and faggotry are two of the primary causes for this particular judgment of being.
Ruled by women and children and foreigners.
I agree with that.
There's Deuteronomy 28.
That's not just like, well, sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad.
Deuteronomy 28 is clear.
That is a curse.
It's a curse.
You would be ruled by foreigners, all foreigners, any foreigners.
And I don't think it's random.
I'm willing to wholeheartedly agree that it's directly correlated with our apostasy, in general, our apostasy from the Lord Jesus Christ, and particularly our committing of the sins of abortion and sexual perversion.
I'm on board with that.
So let's call for national repentance, particularly with these two sins.
And let's also, not this then that, but this and that.
Let's also, though, pray that God would give us Christian judges, not just Christian preachers, prophets with the sin, the root issue, and national repentance, but also judges to, as much as God would be merciful, that these judges would be empowered with Holy Spirit wrought might and wisdom.
And success to ward off the judgment so that the judgment doesn't kill us, so that there's still time to repent.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills sometimes when I'm talking to Christians who I agree with on like 99% of issues.
And then I say this and they're like, oh, I don't get it.
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So, how is it that these Riots are able to happen spontaneously.
Why do they seem organized?
Why do they seem well funded?
Well, they are.
They are.
That's the answer.
And what we saw in the Summer of Love was that there was this kind of organization behind.
I remember hearing stories of people identifying Antifa members who had been in one city and then in another city at riots.
And they were realizing, well, these people are getting on buses, they're going from city to city, they're buying body armor.
It's very well organized and very well funded.
Well, in the case of the protest in Los Angeles, let's talk about some of the funding.
So I have two, a couple of quotes here that I'm going to put on the screen.
They're a little longer, so bear with me.
But Nate, let's roll quote 2A here.
So this says, talking about the funding, one of the groups leading anti ICE protests in Los Angeles is a taxpayer funded activist organization with ties to the Democratic Party.
While another of the two has links to the Chinese Communist Party.
So, the first one that we're going to talk about, the Coalition for Human Immigrant Rights, CHURLA, which received tens of millions of dollars in government grants during the Biden administration, staged a rally last week to denounce immigration and customs enforcements arresting illegal immigrants across the city, including those convicted of heinous crimes.
According to the financial records obtained by Data Republican, CHURLA received nearly $34 million.
In government grants, mostly from the state of California, in the fiscal year ending June 2023, a jump from 12 million it received the previous year.
This is the organization that started the protests on Friday.
Now, they were very quick to say, We didn't support or sponsor the violence.
We just wanted the protests, right?
They came out immediately and said that.
But this is actually a taxpayer funded group.
And maybe they even put forth the funds to.
Conveniently place the cinder blocks for some, you know, just for protesters to lean against.
Yes.
Yeah.
You know, exactly.
Yeah.
Or to provide some cover from the tear gas or, you know, things like that.
There's so many ways of getting around, like in our system, it's like, well, this is not illegal.
Right.
You know, what it like.
Right.
Yeah.
But it's wrong.
Yep.
Okay.
Let me read the next one.
So that was the first group called Trilla.
There's a second group operating in Los Angeles right now.
And this is also from the same New York Post article.
And it says this another group.
That was behind some of last week's protests is the Marxist Party for Socialism and Liberation, which played a part in virulent past anti Israel campus protests at Columbia University, and which was once associated with suspected DC terrorist Elias Rodriguez.
So, this group, which is now in Los Angeles operating these protests right now, has ties to the Chinese Communist Party through funding from socialist billionaire Neville Singham and his wife Jodie Evans, founder of an activist group called Code Pink.
According to a 2022 or 2024 report by the Network Contagion Research Institute, I wonder what that is.
Yeah, we know that one.
That was the Crisis King report for context for anyone.
Yeah.
Singham sank millions of dollars in backing the groups after selling his software company ThoughtWorks for $785 million in 2017.
Singham's ties to the Chinese government and communist propaganda are well documented.
The New York Times published a lengthy 2023 expose.
On his far reaching money machine, which has steered millions to China, praising nonprofits from South Africa, Ghana, and Zambia to Brazil, New Delhi, and beyond.
So, this is one of the other groups that was organizing the protests and the disturbances in Los Angeles Thursday, Friday, Saturday, etc.
So, these are very, very well funded organizations.
The one where it's a Chinese communist agent, at least that's kind of like.
Honest opposition, right?
They're opposed to the US.
They're going to fund things that are against our interests.
But it just kills me that taxpayer dollars and government grants have gone to fund these organizations, which now are absolutely wreaking havoc in Los Angeles and which are promoting this very, you know, we are a globalist city.
We are one of the videos that I didn't play.
You hear them chanting in the back, Viva la Raza.
This is the sort of thing that our own, not ours, it was California, but if you're in California, your taxpayer dollars, the money that you paid in your taxes, are going directly to fund these things.
Was this federal taxes or state tax?
Some of the grants were federal grants, but most of it was California state taxes.
It's another reason.
Yep.
It's not just the protection of your family, but you're literally funding.
Yeah.
And it gets to the point where, honestly, I mean, it.
I'm not trying to oversimplify it, but I think it really is this simple.
But it gets to like when you think of abortion, it's like, okay, do I live in a state with state taxes?
Okay.
Did any portion of that state taxes go to fund Planned Parenthood?
Okay.
And then, like, and then I can look at Planned Parenthood and see how much funding they've gotten, and then look at their budget and see how much it costs for each abortion procedure.
And then I can look at my salary and my end of the year, you know, like W 2s, how much I paid in state taxes, how much percentage of that.
Went towards Planned Parenthood, how much it cost Planned Parenthood to abort one baby.
And then over my working career, I can say I personally, single handedly, funded the murder of X many children.
Yep.
Simply by living in a blue stick.
Yep.
Yeah.
Like, I don't understand how there aren't moral implications.
Like, again, like I'm, you know, it's years after the fact, but people are like, you're crazy to say that there's any kind of.
You know, impression on Christians regarding like where they live.
And I just, I don't know how there couldn't be.
All right, go ahead.
Okay, so I want to take one more interesting kind of rabbit trail here.
Hold on one second.
I was looking something up while you were talking, Joel.
There we go.
Oh, it is.
Okay.
So a week ago, not even a week ago, but about a week ago, last week.
The president of Mexico, a woman named Claudia Scheinbaum, I don't know how that's a Mexican name, but whatever.
She came out really strongly against President Trump's big, beautiful bill.
And I mean, really racist about this to the point where she was talking kind of in coded language to some of the illegal immigrants, aliens in the United States, like, you guys need to do something about this.
What was she upset about?
And I have to give credit to where credit is due.
This is from the Coffee and Covid guy.
He had, if you want the full story here, go read his thing today.
But in the big, beautiful bill, it's just a tiny little throwaway line in there.
And what it does is it imposes a 5% tax on remittances.
Now, what is a remittance?
A remittance is money sent by non US citizens.
Outside of the country to people in other countries.
So when you see the Western Union places and you see the Hispanics going there every other Friday when they get their paycheck and they're sending money back to Mexico or back to wherever they're coming from, that's called a remittance.
So the big beautiful bill imposes a 5% tax on all remittances.
So if you send $100 to your family down in Nicaragua, you're going to pay $5 just right off the top.
I think it's added on top because you could have a remittance tax that's 200%, as in to send 100, you have to pay 200.
I don't know that it's necessarily deducted from it.
That's correct.
Just to clarify.
Yeah.
Scheinbaum, that's.
Yeah.
That sounds very Mexican.
That's what I.
She is.
Yeah.
She said that they are unacceptable.
She said, if necessary, we will mobilize.
We do not want taxes on remittances for our own patrons.
Please mobilize that.
Yes.
Okay.
So that was a little while ago.
A newspaper called Expansion reported that remittances from the United States are one of Mexico's largest single income sources.
Wow.
Money that Mexican immigrants or illegal immigrants, it doesn't matter.
They're just not actual residents.
Send back to Mexico are one of Mexico's single largest income sources.
Okay.
Did you ever see, real quick, did you ever see like the Korean movie?
I think it was Korean, where there's a family that lives in a house and then there's an entire family that lives like under the closet.
I think it was called Parasite.
Parasite.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Come on.
That won like a bunch of academies, Michael.
So it's like, like this family lives in a house and they don't, they're not even aware that there's another family that lives like it.
Because they're all like the serving staff.
They get in the drives as the chauffeur and the tutor and everything like that.
But then they actually live underneath the house, in a hidden chamber of the basement.
That's Mexico.
Yeah.
So the remittances that are sent from the US to Mexico make up more than Mexico's car sales, their food exports, and their oil exports.
In 2024, the total that came into Mexico through remittances was $64.7 billion.
That was 3.5% of Mexico's GDP.
That year.
How much?
3.5.
Okay.
Well, only 3.5.
Only 3.5.
But still, that's a lot.
That's a lot.
You would say $64 billion?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's just Mexico.
That's not including all the other Central American countries.
Remittances to India exceed $165 billion a year.
Wow.
Okay.
Oh.
Yeah.
For context, in both cases, Mexico and India, the amount of remittance revenue exceeds those nations' entire trade surplus with the U.S.
Okay.
Wow.
Now, I'm just going to read, Nate.
I didn't send this to you because I read it late, right before I came here.
I'm just going to read a couple of statements from Childress's article.
He says this So, to recap, we are paying migrants to settle here.
Then we're paying NGOs to rally them into street warfare.
Then we're paying the cops to clean up the mess.
Then we're paying the hospitals for protest related injuries.
And we've been giving their home countries hundreds of billions of dollars in tax free remittances to boot.
Remittances are a direct revenue source and a pressure release valve for their own broken economies.
Let the poor leave, collect free income from the U.S., and avoid the messy business of governance.
No need to build their own infrastructure, fix their education, or fund their health care.
American suckers will do it for you.
Every dollar sent abroad is a dollar not spent in the U.S., not invested in local businesses, not saved in American banks, not taxed to fix our own potholes.
We are underwriting failed socialist states by exporting our own paychecks.
And that's how he goes on from there.
Well said.
I found a great way to cut $200 billion here.
Very easy.
Just let me know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Very, very good idea.
So, the cycle of we're paying for this, it's like when you add up all the ways you pay taxes.
You pay taxes on the money you earn, then on the money you spend.
It's this kind of cycle.
We're paying them, we're paying the NGOs, we're paying all of them.
We're doing it not only for our country, but for every country in the world.
Yes.
Basically.
Like America.
I don't think there's hardly any phrase that's more accurate and true.
Like, we are a tax farm and not just for our government, we're a tax farm for the world, and that's what it's been for a very long time.
I think those are some of the things that we've talked about, like with immigration in the past.
You know, in some conversations, you know, Michael and I, like, and our elders and deacons even had last night.
But just we have to remember that this is God's world, it's his order that he set up, and natural affections are not.
They don't go away quickly.
And they're not supposed to.
That's actually a good thing.
That's a loving thing that God built the world and built in us.
And so the idea of, like, well, they're Americans now and their allegiance is for America.
Well, number one, and again, it's not just the illegal immigrants.
The protesters, many of the illegal immigrants are not present.
They're hiding under the rafters because they don't want to get deported by.
So these are people who they're not the illegal immigrants.
They're either green carded or on a visa or some of them citizens.
And you look at the videos that we've shown, many of them are Hispanic.
Right.
Because, and then not just that, but like what we're talking about with remittance, it's like, well, they're American now and they're eating apple pie and they've memorized the Declaration of Independence and they're even conservative.
They voted for Trump, but they're still sending a sizable portion of what they're making not to patron American businesses or that, but back to their home country.
And again, I'm not even saying that that sentiment is wrong.
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Correct.
I would do the same thing.
If I couldn't find work in my country and I wanted to feed and care for my family and extended family, me and my family, we would move to another country.
Or if for whatever reason I couldn't bring them, that would break my heart.
But if it's like I stay with them and we starve, or I leave them and they eat, then I would leave and I would be sending the lion's share of my paycheck back to my parents, my wife, my children.
That's what people do.
So we're not even, it's not even sitting here and saying, and so there's Americans and then there's Mexicans.
And can't you see how Mexicans are just morally, objectively more nefarious?
No, it's, that's not what we're saying.
Like Americans would do the same thing if it was reversed.
This is what people do.
And so the credit to them, they work terrible jobs with long hours.
Like if you commute across the border, some of them do in San Diego, three hour commute, three in the morning, work 50 hours, sweatshop conditions for low pay.
Yep.
And haul it back home.
Credit on the fathers that provide, we just, unless you do it on the other side of the border.
Right.
And so, my point is just to say that, my point is to say that, like, people, human beings are not fungible widgets, they're not cogs in a machine.
You can't just take this group and put them over here and take that group and put them over here.
Those heritage does not just evaporate.
Built into the world.
And so the idea that, like, and that's why, and I was encouraged.
I don't know if you saw this, Michael and Wes, but I've been encouraged by Matt Walsh, who's a little bit more normie than we are, but he's got good stuff.
I'm not saying that to disparage him.
I appreciate him.
That's why I'm bringing it up.
But what I'm saying is that even the guys like Matt Walsh with the Israeli Wire, like, even that guy, Has he said today?
I think he tweeted something, and I think it was Charlie Kirk, who's also pretty normie, you know.
And he retweeted him, and either Matt or Charlie or both, they said, I'm paraphrasing, but they said, there has to be a full stop on legal.
So, zero, they said zero illegal immigration, and they said net zero for legal immigration.
And they went further.
They said net zero for legal immigration, which means it's only when X many leaves that you can allow.
Legally, zero illegal, but legally the same number that left.
And then they went further and they said, and none of it can be from any third world country.
None of it can be from anything.
It has to be people who are more American compatible.
Now, they didn't say it can only be white people.
But still, they're saying, yeah, but it should be Canada.
We have Canadians in our church.
And we're like, no, we don't want immigration.
But all three of us, like the two families, Canadian families in our church, as they were going through the process to get their green card, we were praying on our knees, like, dear Jesus, please let them get it.
And he answered the prayers.
Yeah.
And he answered the prayers.
Praise God.
And we're like, please let them get it.
And it's like, well, that seems hypocritical.
Isn't that inconsistent?
You're having all this public facing content about immigration.
It has to stop.
Yeah, but it's different.
What makes it different?
Number one, and this is first and foremost, and that's why I make it number one they are Bible believing Christians who love the Lord.
Number two, they're not coming from Haiti, they're coming from Canada.
My brother in Christ, they're Western.
There is a difference in compatibility with our Western nation when we get a legal immigrant, a legal Christian immigrant from another Western nation.
It matters.
And if you don't, there are going to be the difference.
There's already, I have differences.
You know, we have some differences.
It's not much, but every now and then we'll be talking about something and they're like, ah, that must be an American thing.
One of them brought ketchup chips one time to a potluck.
They brought ketchup chips and I just pulled them aside.
I was like, and you said, I will make sure you don't get your green card.
You realize that millions have to go back.
You have to go back.
No, that happened.
But you guys get my point.
Yeah.
It's just saying that like these, but I just thought like this is.
Oh, and hardworking and productive.
And hardworking.
They're not even taking like, I'm a man and I haven't worked in 20 years.
Zero handout.
Like they're coming over here with their skills and their money.
Yep.
They already have six years.
Paying dual taxes, Canada and the US.
And boosting our economy.
Yeah.
So it's not the same.
Like people are like, well, that's hypocritical.
It's a double standard.
No, it's not.
Zero illegal immigration and net zero legal immigration.
And even with the legal immigration that keeps us at net zero, when people leave, this many can come in.
Wasn't that showing favoritism?
Yes.
It is not sinful favoritism.
But it is a morally permissible form of favoritism.
We are America.
We're a Western nation.
So we are going to be looking at legal immigration that is capped very narrow from other Western nations.
Of course.
I love Deacon St. John.
He said, I wonder if remittance tax can be distinguished by country.
Sure, it could be.
Like a million percent tax if you're sending money to Israel or Afghanistan.
That would be another example.
That could be one thing if somebody's from Germany.
Hey, we can't homeschool our kids.
They move here.
Mom and dad are back there.
I'm not sitting here 200% tax on that.
Yeah, if you're sending it back to India to feed a full enclave because the American dollar goes farther there, like, yeah, you're going to pay some steep taxes and we would encourage you to remigrate, which, huge news, foreign born workers, like a million of them left the workforce.
Wow.
I think in the last couple of months, I just saw it on X, I don't have all the details, but then that's one of also the effects of this kind of rhetoric.
Like, why do you guys talk about immigration so much?
Because it encourages people to say, I'm going back to my homeland.
Yes.
And it is the humane, it is not nefarious, it's not malicious.
It's a humane way of doing it that people would say, I'm going to go back to my homeland and help my country and help my country.
And it's like, well, why Germany and not, you know, why no taxes or small tax on the remittance from the guy who came from Germany versus the guy who came from India?
And again, like no apology made and no ambiguity.
I'll be very clear because Germany, God save them, they're not doing great.
But still, Germany, as bad as it is, Germany is far more compatible with the United States than India.
I'm descended from Germans.
Like, those are, in a sense, my people.
There's people I'm related to there.
India has a greater preference for them.
India is far more compatible with the United States, not religiously, not culturally, not in hardly any way.
Yep.
Like, you see Indian guys, like, I remember Andrew Isker saying, he's like, Yeah, there was a guy in our small town who bought like a hotel.
And, And it was a beautiful hotel, but shortly after he bought it, it started getting, you know, like kind of ugly and not being maintained.
And he's like, and I had a friend stay and I went and like picked him up and I was looking at, you know, walking in the downstairs in the lobby and it was a flea market.
It was literally like this rug and these tennis rackets and like literally with price tags everywhere.
And he didn't say this, you know, like being polite, but he was like, I wanted to say like not like something malicious like you dirty, like not, but just.
Hey, hey, friend, we don't do that here.
This is America.
Yeah.
We don't turn our hotel lobbies into flea markets.
This is America.
People tell me that they work with these Indian tech workers who come over and it's like a team huddle, icebreaker question.
You ask them, like, where would you go if you go on vacation?
And they all say home because they miss home.
They miss where they grew up.
So when you talk about a humane thing, that's actually loving to say, go back.
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We would very much so like you to.
We will give you a $500 Southwest voucher to do so.
But you're not asking people to go back to a world they don't know, a language they don't speak, a people they're not related to.
Going back.
Go home, right?
One of the most meaningful places for any person.
I still remember when I lived in Taiwan, occasionally, Taiwanese people are very polite.
So much so that it's hard to have honest conversations with people sometimes, but that's a different thing.
But occasionally, I worked at an American school, and occasionally I would hear from people that I was close to We love that you're here.
We love that you're planning a church.
We even love that the school that you work at is educating our people.
But a lot of the Taiwanese kids that go to your school graduate and go to an American university and never come back.
And they said, and it's probably their best kids.
We need them.
Yeah.
And they said, we need them here.
Yes.
And that, you know, that really, I thought, that's like my ministry is functioning practically as a pipeline that extracts the best, most gifted individuals of this country that would ensure, at least in part, playing a part, not.
Like, not like I'm doing the whole thing exclusively, my school, but we're part of what is going to keep this country down.
Yeah.
And that's where I.
But my point is all the way back to Charlie Kirk, Matt Walsh.
And I'm encouraged because this conversation is finally gotten to the point where it's unavoidable.
Your grandma is going to be having this conversation.
Your aunts and all of them.
Here's the tweet right here.
We can read it, actually.
Okay, great.
Put it on the screen.
Yeah, go ahead, Nate.
It's time.
This is Charlie Kirk.
He's retweeting Matt Walsh.
It's time to ban third world immigration, legal or illegal.
We've reached our limit and we have a huge cultural, educational, housing, financial, and essential services problem to fix now because of it.
We need a net zero immigration moratorium with a ban on all third worlders.
That's different than what I've heard him say in the past.
Net zero on legal immigration and then even the ones that you take.
With illegal immigration, it's not anyone.
Third world is banned.
Yep.
Right.
Beautiful.
And we are the moderates for the record.
So it's not these three extremists sitting here.
Our position is moderate, right?
So people were like, deport them all.
And people were in the comments, deport?
Like the rioters in LA.
I see, I see.
Deportation?
Yeah.
You lib.
No, like we want a moderate, humane, Christian response.
And banning all third worlders is perfectly within those bounds.
And if you don't like us, you don't like that.
You're going to hate Gen Z.
Yeah.
Yeah, we've said it before, but my position is I mean, you could, there are guys who would say, no, we need to go all the way back to the 60s, when a lot of this started happening in terms of deportations.
And I would say, no, just a moderate 50 million.
And that is, I would say that's the last 10 years.
I really think that's the last 10 years.
So a moderate 50 million deported, that's it.
So, about what is that, a sixth of the country deported.
And then exactly what they just said full moratorium on legal immigration, that it's a net zero.
So, only if, and that doesn't count the 50 million after deporting, then if more leave, then you can take some in.
And then I would, the only thing I would maybe go further on is I would say a ban on the third world.
I would also say a ban beyond the third world.
China's not the third world.
But there'd be a ban on China.
For me, it would be a ban on the third world for sure, but also a ban on all non Western countries.
And then, of course, if I'm king and I get to have everything I want, then I also would say, and they must be Christian.
I think dual citizenship too.
You say, you can obviously hold your American one, but you have to renounce this other one, short of you being literally, I don't know, a prince, a diplomat.
But practically speaking, no ordinary citizen can hold citizenship.
We're having trouble with our identity.
I agree with that.
If you don't want to choose America, then you have citizenship in another country and you can go back there.
And the last thing that I think we would add is, and no voting rights until the third generation.
Right, right, right.
So, like, you'll be protected.
You're giving voting rights at all?
You'll be protected.
You won't be exploited.
You know, you have legal protections.
Yeah, so you have all your rights under the law, but not voting until third generation.
And then we would say, and then that person is an American citizen, but not an American.
But their grandchildren, over time, eventually their descendants would be not only citizens with voting rights, but also.
American in every sense.
These are like, these are pretty, I think, pretty reasonable positions.
They're biblical positions.
And if we could do that, it literally would change the country just for the good.
For the good.
I mean, a big change.
Your children would grow up in much closer to paradise, not literally paradise inside of heaven, but as far as your safety, as far as economic opportunity.
Like, think about it.
We send billions and billions that have for a long time, and we have many people here that you would need to have strong rule of law, but over their lifetime, Negative $800,000 impact in the GDP, millions of them.
So you deal with that, you deal with remittances, you deal with all the crime and everything.
You get rid of all of that, the amount of prosperity that we would have.
And that's prosperity, then does go on to bless other people.
So it's not just prosperity for prosperity's sake, and we hoard it all up here.
Once you've recovered your national identity and you're flourishing economically, you can begin to think, maybe not quite act, but think about what is the best use of these.
So not just funding them, building a school, but practically instruction in the gospel, probably by sponsoring locals.
But, guys, we could live and our children could live in a much different, much healthier, safer, flourishing nation.
You just have to be a little bit racist.
Yeah.
Well, if you do that, the bar is high.
They're going to call it racism.
Right.
They're going to call it racism.
But we're saying, no, this country is more compatible or less compatible with America.
That's what it comes down to.
And I was going to say, look, a couple cherries on top this Sunday that we're building right now because we're really cooking.
I would add with that, Furthermore, so we talked about the third generation, and that's a general equity principle from the Old Testament when it came to Israel and full assimilation in Israel.
And I would like, even when you think of King David, it's like, okay, so you have Ruth, and she's a Moabitess.
But Ruth marries Boaz, they beget Obed, and then Obed begets Jesse.
So now you're on the third generation.
Ruth was first, and then Jesse begets David.
So by the time you get to David, If my math is right on that, so Obed, being the son of Ruth, would have been 50% Israelite.
And then you get to Obed and then Jesse.
So that was Obed is 50%.
Jesse is going to be 75.
David's going to be 87.5% Israelite.
And so it's like, and he's the best king in Israel.
And I don't think in the province of God, I mean, everything God does.
Is intentional, especially in scripture.
I don't think it was a coincidence that the second king of Israel and the first good king, who became a man after God's own heart, who becomes like the quintessential example of a king in Israel and a type of the true king, Jesus, and who writes a large portion of the Psalms and all this kind of stuff, it wasn't Ruth's son.
Right, right.
It was her great grandson.
Right.
And I think that timing mattered, actually.
I think that that's significant.
So, I was going to say, so all these things, so like third generation till you have voting rights and truly being American, but you can have an American citizenship in terms of protection under the law and all those kinds of things.
If you do it legally, the net zero moratorium on legal immigration and banning third world countries, and I would argue further for it to be Western countries.
If it's truly a Christian nation, then religion should be taken into account.
Are you a Christian versus being an atheist or a Buddhist or something?
Even if you're living in a Western country, you're coming from Canada, but you're a Muslim.
No, I don't think we need.
The Muslim, you know, coming, even if he's coming from Canada.
So, considering all that, and then I would add to it just a dash of abolishing universal suffrage.
And then English.
Yeah, and then, yeah, you have to speak English, certainly.
But then getting rid of universal suffrage when it comes to our actual voting.
I had one more that I was going to throw on there for good measure.
You say Christian?
Yeah, he did.
Yeah, I already said Christian.
But getting rid of the universal suffrage.
Oh, and getting rid of universal suffrage.
And then for your heritage Americans, people who, and when I say heritage American, this is not what everybody means.
I'll speak for myself.
I won't even speak for the two people on my left and right.
But for myself, when I think of heritage Americans, I am thinking of people who can trace their ancestry back in America for many generations.
People who have been here for 200, like since the Civil War, you know, 200, 300, 400 years.
So even with heritage Americans, All right, that like they obviously would have the voting rights, but but not universal suffrage, it'd be a little bit different who gets the vote.
Uh, but then even with heritage Americans, because there are some heritage Americans who um are still a net negative on the tax, uh, our taxes and who are committing crimes and all.
And so, then the last piece is um, a good justice system that's tough on crime again, um, that's actually tough on crime, like oh, this person you you go to jail, right?
Black Pill Theology Analysis00:11:24
And so, like, if you did that.
My goodness.
I mean, Wes is right.
Like, there's no utopia on earth.
It's not heaven.
There's still sin.
But my goodness, like, for us living how we live today, we would be like, where am I?
Like, I would go to the park.
I would go to Costco.
And I would be like, what?
Where am I right now?
It feels like America.
You know, it'd be incredible.
So, all right.
I think we had one super chat, maybe two questions.
Okay, let's do it.
Yeah, super chat.
Thanks, Seth.
Go ahead, read it.
Yep, Seth, been an active commenter.
$5 from Seth.
God bless you guys.
May God grow your audience.
Thanks so much.
Thank you.
I think so.
And then Cosmic Treason with a good question.
Right response ministries, how would you identify or define black pill and how or should we gatekeep it from the work of Christian nationalism slash the reformative movement?
Watch our AI episode this week.
That will not help.
We would have to ban ourselves.
Yeah, we were pretty discouraged on that episode.
Yeah, there's something to be said for abandon your post and knocking that guy out.
That's right.
You know what I'm saying?
To war.
Yeah.
So I guess I would just want to distinguish what, when I think of a black pill, what I don't think about is, I don't think the antithesis of a black pill is naivety.
Like this baseless optimism.
Right.
Like my three year old daughter is really optimistic, but she does not need to be leading anything.
You know, like she believes in a world of rainbows and ponies, you know, and unicorns.
And the unicorn piece, she got that from dad because I believe in unicorns too, and giants and dragons.
And we talk about it every night before bedtime.
But my point is that the guy who is optimistic, but it's baseless.
Is not a leader.
And so, anyway, so when I think of the antithesis of a black pill, I'm not thinking of a baseless optimism, you know, and just wishful thinking.
I think of a guy who, so to state it in the reverse, blackpilling is not looking, taking a good hard look at reality and admitting, honestly, how bleak things really are.
That's not blackpilling.
Blackpilling to me, if I was to sum it up in a word, is despair.
Right.
There have been plenty of times where, all throughout biblical history and throughout the last 2,000 years of history, where people empowered by God.
They were not being baselessly optimistic.
They were looking at reality and being honest about it and saying, yeah, the odds are 100 to 1.
Like Gideon.
But Gideon doesn't despair.
He gets to work.
You know, the Lord can win by many or by few.
So, anyways, yeah, so true black people.
It's that scene in The Lord of the Rings where they're in Helm's Deep and Theoden King is just there in a panic.
What can they do against?
And then Aragorn comes in to take your sword, ride out.
And so the king believed equally as he was riding out that they were all going to die.
As much as he did before he got on that horse.
He didn't become retarded.
He was still sentient and was able to say, Yeah, unless a miracle happens, there's no way we're going to win.
I'll give you a historical example.
We're not going to fight.
Enough of this fiction.
The Charge of the Light Brigade and the Alabama.
We remember them and lionized them because they were men who didn't just.
It's over.
They literally like just throw their arms down, call it.
But they said, We'll die and we'll die gloriously.
And then here's the deal sometimes in history, I think of the winged Tsars in the mid 15th century, I think it was, where you have this little city and it's been for like months, they've been holed up.
And at the very last second, like Prussian special military comes in and saves them.
And even today, they still have parades from that.
So those people in there, I mean, there was no like, We've got them on the cell phone.
I can see them live streaming.
They're almost here.
We're probably going to die, but we're going to fight as long as possible.
In the event that we don't, I think that's the difference.
It's not, we're going to lose, and I recognize it.
I've said to Joel a couple of times, like, it'll be a couple of months in between, but we're going to lose, aren't we?
Our people are retarded.
About every two months, Wes, we have that conversation where he's like, we're going to lose.
And I usually.
And then a month later, you come to me and you're like, you're right, we are going to lose.
Yeah, I usually respond by saying, I think so.
But not ultimately.
I'm still post millennial.
Wes is.
He's on life support.
His postmillennialism is on life support at this point.
It's pretty much gone.
But I do believe that we win, and I have not changed on that at all.
And I believe we win, because the question is temporally and the stages.
But when I say I believe we win, I actually believe that Christ will win through the church in this temporal earthly age, progressively and gradually.
But I believe there are going to be some big dips.
So when Wes says, I think we're going to lose in terms of this battle right now, our country, Our lifetime, what's happening with AI?
When he's like, he's not saying, I think we're going to lose forever or always and everywhere and every way, but he's like, with this situation, Palantir, I think we're going to lose.
And I look at that and I'm like, yeah, we're going to lose.
Yeah, I think so.
But neither one of us says, and therefore, you know, cash it in.
Right.
You know, like, no, it's like, ride with me.
Let's ride out and we'll meet Peter Thiel.
With whatever we've got, and we're going to fight.
Well, who's that classic poem?
What better way for man to die than facing fearful odds for the ashes of his fathers and temples of his gods?
Like that's in our Western memory.
Right.
Yeah.
Same thing with the Iliad, you know?
Yeah.
The desperate battle in the last fight.
Right.
Yeah.
To die in glorious battle, not to die because you quit or you gave up.
So, black pilling, long answer, but black pilling to me is not admitting how bad things really are.
To do anything other than that, I think, is madness and foolishness and borders on sin.
We're commanded to be discernment, so to exercise discernment.
So, to be foolish is actually to sin.
So, that can't be what it means to black pill, to admit the truth when the truth is bleak.
So, to me, to black pill is to despair.
Like, I want guys who are not bright eyed and bushy tailed, you know, and they just, you know, just finished their first, you know, Kenneth Gentry book of post millennialism and like, we're going to win and we're going to win now, like, you know, and we're going to beat everything.
And I talk about, you know, Palantir and what's Palantir?
Like, that guy is no good.
To me, you know, like, I mean, God bless him, and maybe five years he might like a John Mark situation, you know, like a little bit later on, send me so and so.
Um, but here and now, what I want is uh, the guys who actually have done the reading, they know what's going on in the world, they know what's going on with Israel, they know what's going on with Palantir, they know what's going on with our government.
Um, and and then they also, in the same breath, are like, um.
Glorious battle.
So I think that's what matters.
Honestly, I named him in another episode.
I don't know why I'm thinking about him.
I've not been binge watching Alex Jones, but he's just been on my mind a little bit.
Maybe partly because I might have an opportunity to go on his show, which would be really cool.
And so, but I'm thinking about the The gifts where it's like, or you say GIF, don't you?
No, I say GIF.
Okay, GIF.
Because I'm correct.
Okay, great.
All right.
So, but the gifts where it's like, they always circulate around Thanksgiving time where it's like my wife and it says, honey, please try not to talk about politics with my family at dinner.
And then it says, me, 15 minutes in.
And then it starts the video and it's Alex Jones, but they removed his Infowar table with like a Thanksgiving table.
And he's like, And I can feel the demons rocks enough.
And he's like, no, you can't have my spirit.
And I'm thinking, Alex Jones actually is a great example.
He's not reformed.
His theology is a little normie.
He's the body type of a rectangle.
But he is a professing Christian.
Not so much anymore.
He's lost his mind.
He got on that Ozempic.
I don't know.
But I've seen him working out.
He's actually putting some effort in.
If he is taking pills, he's still taking pills.
I saw him in 2020, so I was like, Four feet from him, and I was like, This is a big boy.
This is a big boy.
No, he's lost a lot.
He's good for him.
He's getting healthy.
But my point is he's a professing Christian.
So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's a Christian.
He's not a reformed Christian.
I don't think he's like, you know, he probably is not super doctrinally savvy, but I think he is a Christian.
And I think he actually does exemplify the right disposition of the dude is not.
He's not sleeping at night because he thinks the world is made with rainbows and puppies.
I mean, that guy has looked down the rabbit hole, you know, and knows a lot of the stuff.
And even the things he's criticized are like, well, you know about the globalists, but like you'll never say anything about Israel.
Like to give him a little credit, I mean, he recently had Nick Fuentes on the show and he said, and I, you know, he registered, you know, on the record, like I don't agree with some things with Nick or whatever.
He said, but I think, and he gave him credit, he said, I think Nick is right about this issue.
And it was about Palantir and Israeli intelligence.
You know, like Alex's favorite country, you know, and, and, but he was like, I'm going to follow the truth, right?
Even when it leads to something like this.
And, and so my point is like, the dude knows a lot of the negative things going on, even that one.
So for anybody who says, yeah, but he doesn't really know because he, you know, because he won't criticize, you know, our greatest ally.
Well, he, he just did.
And, and so he knows he's looked behind the curtain more than most.
And yet he's like, and I can feel the demons rising up, but you won't have my spirit and you won't take my country.
And I just think that that is a great example of not black pilling.
Faith Beyond What Is Seen00:01:09
Right.
The dude is talking about negative things like, like for four hours a day.
Right.
Since like the 20s?
Yeah.
For like the last, like for the last 30 years.
Literally the last 30.
I was being funny.
No, I know.
I know.
Yeah.
You were saying a hundred.
Long time.
The 1620s.
But like, and yet he's like, he's got every bit of a fighting spirit as he ever did.
So.
Well, that's literally faith.
Like faith is the evidence of things hoped.
For and the conviction of things not seen.
Literally, it's faith that enables you to say, I don't see a way out of this.
And yet, I'm looking beyond what is seen and saying, I'm not going to give up hope.
I'm not going to despair.
And I'm not going to become bitter.
And I'm going to fight, even though practically I cannot even imagine, see, behold, visualize any possible way out of this.
And maybe you actually don't temporally in the short term, but it is an act of faith and which God blesses and which God favors that does look and say, but I'm still going to.
Put my heart and soul into the fight and go down swinging.