Colorado Governor Jared Polis signed House Bill 1312, the Kelly Loving Act, mandating pronoun use and removing a provision labeling misgendering parents as abusive. Hosts argue this progressive agenda, paired with HB 1309's gender-affirming care mandates, targets Christian heritage and small businesses through Orwellian record-erasure tactics. They attribute Colorado's shift to liberal demographics and claim these laws will economically destroy families, forcing conservatives to flee blue states for red ones while urging immediate political engagement to protect traditional structures against perceived socialist equality of outcome ideologies. [Automatically generated summary]
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Aimed to make misgendering someone a crime.
The bill met fierce resistance from local pastors and Christian leaders, but ultimately was signed into law by the governor about a week ago.
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Other Colorado bills, such as House Bill 1309, mandate that health care providers cover every possible necessity for gender affirming care, a set of surgeries and treatments that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per person.
One way or another, they will try to take your kids, close your business, and bankrupt your state, even if they lose in the end.
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It is a white pill.
Here's the advantage of it.
And here's why we're doing the episode.
So, why do you guys talk about politics so much?
Why do you go into legislation?
What's kind of the point of all of this?
Well, the biggest voter blocs that we have are, especially the conservative ones, and that's starting to change, but they're generally the older crowd.
You're thinking older millennials, Gen X.
And boomers.
And there's a temptation when you think of someone that's maybe, say, 40, 50, 60 years old, they've been around politics for a little while.
They remember the impeachment of Bill Clinton.
They remember the Obama era.
I mean, there were people like, this guy is the Antichrist.
If you spell out his name this way, you get 666.
So they've seen a lot of it.
They've seen a lot of culture war stuff.
They've seen the moral majority.
And there definitely is a temptation to get jaded, to say, well, that's politics as usual, or there's always going to be the left and it's always going to be the right.
But ultimately, at the end of the day, that's just politics.
And my life here in the ground practically, like, I feel like it kind of looks the same now.
Inflation, cost of housing, and most certainly the millions of people that clearly don't belong here, those are starting to make a difference.
But part of the reason to really focus on it and to really drive home is because these stories and these bills are what you, listener, need to use and need to be taking to other Christians.
There are so many Christians on the sidelines, and they're on the sidelines because they just don't see the battle for what it is.
It's kind of a saying, you know, a lot of conservatives, it's always, First, it's too early to fight.
Well, we don't want to get involved.
It's too early.
We don't know what's going on.
Then it's okay.
Yeah, it's time to fight, but not in that manner, not in that way.
And then stage three is well, it was definitely time to fight about five years ago, but now we're in the gulag.
There's always some reason, always something going on.
Well, we don't want to get involved.
We don't want to bring the church in it.
Things aren't so bad.
Save your cultural capital.
Save your cultural capital.
It's worthless.
Yep.
Right.
And stories like these, bills like these, not just one person out there somewhere in the ether putting out a terrible bill.
Lord knows there are people, I mean, There was a bill to imprison Americans just a couple weeks ago for boycotting Israel.
Now, to be fair, that was like a couple people sponsored it after pushback.
It was pulled immediately.
It was not like hundreds of representatives and dozens of senators voted that into law.
Like that didn't happen.
We're talking about something that's actually now a law on the books in Colorado.
And we're talking about a state with millions of people, millions of Christians that now live under this and they're going to have to navigate an entirely new world.
Maybe you built a business for 30 years in Colorado.
That's your homeland, it's where your grandparents lived and your great grandparents.
You've built something great there.
Now, all of a sudden, you're under risk, and we'll get into how it would practically work on the ground.
All of a sudden, you're at risk of possibly losing all of that.
This stuff matters, and you need to be telling people guys, this is not business as usual.
Whatever's going on here and now has changed the landscape.
There are things going on.
It is a war against Christ, it is a war against Christianity, it's a war against heritage Americans, it's a war against those who are native to America by those from overseas and other countries and immigrants who want to displace us.
There's a war going on.
And if there's a war going on, far be it from anyone who has the resources, who has the capacity to not be involved in some way.
I mean, come on, World War II, like moms were growing gardens.
Right.
Like they couldn't do much, right?
They're not on the front lines today in 2025.
They maybe would be.
They weren't on the front lines, but they were growing gardens.
They were helping out in some way, in some measure.
They were getting involved in what's going on.
Colorado, I'm not the biggest fan of Focus on the Family, but they were a huge.
Force for Christianity for a long time.
They're based in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
And in the 90s, I believe the stat, I've read this, I think it was the 90s that this was the case.
Their influence in the state of Colorado was so great that not a single child entered the foster care system.
They were all adopted by Christian families across the board.
Now, Colorado, where focus on the family and ministries is headquartered, again, like I'm not saying that it's they who dropped the ball.
That's my point.
Not my point here.
My point is, This is going to be interesting for a Christian ministry, which is also a business, to see what, like, is this going to destroy them?
Are they going to capitulate?
Are they going to have to move?
And to your point, Wes, this is not just the big industries.
They will go after the mom and pops like they did with the cake bakers because they're the ones that don't have the resources to defend themselves.
Exactly.
Like Daily Wire did a lawsuit against the Biden administration with the vaccine mandate because they could.
They had the legal resources, they had the money to do so, but laws like these disproportionately affect.
Good Christians, good churches, et cetera, on the ground.
Some people are asking, how did Colorado get this way?
And I think one inclination could be well, when it was when they legalized weed.
So you legalized weed.
This was 2014, I want to say about then.
Close to one of the first, I think the first state in the union.
Because it was kind of a swing state for a while there.
Yep, it was.
And they legalized it.
And so that became kind of the state where people went to get high.
I looked at the voting track records and everything like that.
They have just been majority Democrat for a long time.
And I really, it's kind of a silly reason.
But it's a lot of beautiful states that have been that way.
So, up and down the West Coast is certainly one of them.
I would attribute it to kind of a northern Yankee elitism on the East Coast, but a lot of beautiful states like Colorado, there's most certainly Utah is kind of saved by the Mormons.
But I mean, we were in Salt Lake City and we were in Ogden last year.
We're seeing so many pride flags in my life.
Yeah.
Like it was, and this was 2024.
So, this was not like 2022 where Ogden is super beautiful.
Practically down the street.
Not new Christendom, but nope.
The city of Ogden.
The city of Ogden.
It's fire.
No, no, but the city of Ogden, seriously, like as, As we've gone because they hold their conference in June.
Right.
Right.
Like, I don't know if that's intentional, but when we go, it's super duper gay.
Not new Christendom, but logged in.
Nope.
So, yeah, Colorado's been like that for a long time.
And, gentlemen, I regret to inform you women.
There's a couple, you know, groups of suspects where you try to be equal offenders.
But the Colorado legislator, let me pull up the statistics here.
You don't have them, Nate, but I'll just read them off.
So, their House of Representatives.
So, we talked about this a couple of weeks ago.
Different states will have different sizes of the Senate and the House and everything like that.
So, in Colorado, there are 65 representatives, 38 women, 27 men.
It's one of the highest ratios in the country.
So, you're close to, I think, 72%, or about probably close to 65, 70% of their House of Representatives being women.
Of those groups of the two sides, so Democrats have a super majority in the Texas House, 72% of the Democrats are women.
So, Carrying it out.
Well, who are these women?
They're your conservatives, right?
The Republicans.
Nope.
72% of the Democrats are women.
28% of the Republicans that are in the House are women.
So, the Republican Party in Colorado, majority men, it's a lot of kind of like the, you know, you got your F 150, your Toyota Tacoma, you got your hiking gear.
It's kind of like those guys representing the rural areas.
They're kind of the Republican representatives.
And then it's the big cities, it's the Denver, it's the Boulder.
Disproportionately, Putting women up as representatives.
In Colorado, the Speaker of the House, the Majority Leader, the Assistant Majority Leader, the Majority Caucus Co Chair, both of them, the Majority Co-WIP, and the Minority Leader are all women.
And so this bill, bills can originate either in a House or a Senate.
This is where you'll see like House Bill so and so number, Senate Bill so and so number.
This is a bill that originated in a woman dominated House of Representatives.
Nate, let's go ahead and show image number one.
So, two sponsors for each bill, two in the House, two in the Senate.
Here's your picture of the people that put this bill forward.
That'll do.
This is kind of the aura of like you go into the principal's office and you got some superintendents there and like, all right, champ, why don't you go ahead and have a seat?
And they're smiling, but it's not a good smile.
Guys, women are destroying this country.
Yes.
Women in leadership all over.
And I see it here in Texas when I pay attention to Texas politics.
I mean, Nancy Mace yesterday at the House of Representatives at the federal level.
We have got to quickly, quickly, quickly, quickly become very comfortable with saying she has no place here.
She should not be writing laws.
She should not be the leader of the House.
She should not be elected to this position.
And if you keep doing this, We will be destroyed.
Families will be destroyed.
The state itself, its budget, its services, its borders, its protections, its economy, they will be destroyed.
It's either we keep putting women in office, keep promoting them, or we do that and we're going to lose, or on the other side, we stop doing that and we win.
Like those are your two choices.
Yeah.
With those four individuals, how many cats do you think combined?
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How many cats and how many Subarus?
I think, yeah, for sure, the Subarus.
But I think we could get into triple digits of cats on those.
Just for the record, I'm a Subaru respecter.
You are?
I lived in the Northwest.
There's nothing better in the snow.
Just going to throw that out there.
All right.
We'll move right along.
Joel and I are both just holding back.
We'll just move right along.
I don't own one in Texas, but if you're in snow, I'm just going to say it.
Okay.
It's the best.
Fair enough.
All right.
You're right.
There is a theme of like definitely women in civil leadership, but also like beauty, like geographic, physical beauty, you know, and liberals.
Uh, being attracted to it, and I think part of that is like conservatives have lost, you know, the thread of, um, you know, like we don't need to burn tires in the backyard to own the libs, you know, like we can actually care about conserving, you know, the environment and not doing it through stupid ways, you know, but doing things that actually help.
So, part of it is, you know, guys who are more conservative, not really appreciating, you know, God's creation and beauty in the ways that we should.
But then part of it also, I think, is that the liberal, I'll do, I don't know, people get upset, but it's true.
So, I'll just say it the liberal is going to hell.
And most of them know it.
If you know, like when they lay, they'll screech into the void, you know, online on X and stuff like that.
And like, you're the one who's going to hell, you know, like Jesus was a socialist, you know, and blah, But, but in their heart of hearts, when they lay their pillow, you know, their head on their pillow at night, like they, their guilt condemns them.
They know that they're not, they know that they don't have a right relationship with God.
And so, my point is, it makes sense that they would do everything they can to live in the most.
Beautiful places on earth because it's the only beauty they'll ever see.
This life is, I mean, truly YOLO.
Like, this is the closest to heaven they'll ever come, you know.
So, living in the mountains or living by the coast or, you know, those kinds of things.
And then also, I would add to that liberals, you know, in terms of per capita, obviously, you can find this exception here or that exception there.
But on the whole, liberals don't have kids.
And so they constantly have at their disposal, you know, a lower.
Cost of living, they don't have children, you know, dependents, and then also they can have two incomes, you know, like two men in a homosexual relationship, you know, both having high paid jobs and they're less discriminated against, you know.
So, the woman can go in and take the job that a man applied for who's even more qualified, but she gets it instead because we live in a country that hates men, especially white men.
Or two homosexuals can talk about how gay they are and get a better job.
It's like, I need a raise.
Well, why?
Your performance hasn't changed at work.
Yes, but I'm super gay.
It's like, oh, why didn't you say that?
I'm a member of a discriminated community.
Yeah, we'll have a raise on your check next week.
So, literally, like, I mean, there really are advantages, monetary advantages.
Like, you can have dual income because you don't have kids to take care of.
You have lower expenses because you don't have kids to take care of.
You get better jobs because you're a woman and we live in a world that hates men, or you're gay and we live in a world that worships gays.
And so, you actually can afford to live in some of these beautiful places that a lot of conservatives that have a wife that stays at home and five children cannot.
So, that's part of it.
And then also, you feel a sense of, like, I must live in these beautiful places because I've got 80 years on God's green earth.
And I know in my heart of hearts that as soon as that's done, I'm going to hell.
And so, you know, living in the Rockies is the closest to heaven I'll ever get.
Amen.
We got to hit this.
This is great.
This is, we'll be talking about this for a minute.
Joel, you want to read it?
Yeah.
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We really appreciate it.
We have been talking about this a lot.
Yeah, we have.
People have got to get involved.
And here's a tension.
And we were just talking about this yesterday.
You and I just had a meeting with two gentlemen about local politics and getting involved.
Here's the tension.
Guys, I recognize that the solution is probably not going to come through local politics.
Like, just being perfectly honest, like right now, we're going to take 50 years, we're going to gain ground here and gain ground there and put forward big bills and advocate for them.
That's going to take forever.
At some level, too, you also just run up against monetary problems.
George Soros, like his foundation will continue, his son's carrying on his values.
Like, at a certain level, there are just roadblocks.
And so we look at it, and I've had this thought, like, it's just impossible.
Like, it's just so ingrained in us that, oh, yeah, you know, women should be in office and women should be Speaker of the House.
That's ingrained in our culture, going then backwards against that, you know, that, well, maybe women shouldn't be.
Same thing with pluralism.
Hey, we're a Christian nation.
And I mean, there's Muslims in the Texas House of Representatives right now.
Like, oh, no, Texas is a great place for Islam.
We want to be a part of it.
But here's the deal.
So it doesn't look like there's any avenue to win there, but we can't abandon it.
And it kind of sucks.
Like, it's kind of one of those things where it's like you're waiting for the Hail Mary or like the bottom of the ninth, Gandalf to come back, look for my coming at dawn on the fifth day.
But Aragorn literally has to put up a stand for as long as he can.
And it's actually by making that stand for long enough that he paves the way for the Christian prince, whoever it's going to be.
Our help comes from the Lord.
And I think in God's grace, He has a plan for the West.
But here's the deal local politics are the means that we actually survive that long.
Blue states are getting bluer.
Red states are getting redder.
Well, red states are.
They're not.
And getting purple?
They're getting purple.
It's going slower than the blue states as far as the progression goes.
Which matters, just for the record.
Think about this.
All right, so you're on the Titanic and you've got five little children and you're putting them to bed and you know the ship's going down.
You've caught where the kids are.
Clueless, they don't know anything.
You're reading the bedtime story, you know, and, um, and, you know, like, but you know, like the ship's going down and there's no way to save it and they're all out of lifeboats.
Um, I really do believe that there is an obligation to say, okay, the ship's going down and we're going to die, but I'm going to, um, I'm going to move to the portion of the ship that goes down last.
Yeah.
And I'm going to bring my children with me.
Like I'm going, I'm going to try, um, to prolong and protect my children for as long as I can.
So even if it is number one, We have the God factor, right?
And so, number one, behave like a Christian, believe like a Christian.
God can win by many or by few.
So, number one, this scenario that I'm painting is not our scenario because we don't know that the West is going to fall.
We don't know that.
God has been exceedingly merciful and he could continue to completely surprise us and shock us and give us mercy yet again.
So, number one, we don't know that the country is going down.
But, number two, what I was going to say is even if it was, Then we have a duty to go down fighting.
And especially for those of you who are fathers, moving to the side of the ship that goes down last to prolong the lives of your wives and children as long as you possibly can.
So, like, when I hear Christians say, like, well, you know, the whole nation's getting more liberal.
And so it really doesn't matter if I live in Colorado or if I live in, you know, Idaho.
And I'm like, It kind of does actually matter, like, especially when you think of it from this perspective.
Like, let's say you have a child who's, you know, eight years old.
All right.
And so in 10 years, they're going to be 18.
Well, right now, while they're eight, you have a much stronger likelihood of losing that child, like actually losing them in a state like Minnesota, in a state like Colorado, in a state like California.
Whereas, even if Idaho or Utah or whatever, even, You know, Kansas, Oklahoma, even if it does go down eventually, it may not go down in the next 10 years.
And all you need is 10 years for your children.
So, in the macro picture, yeah, like God has to do something or the whole country will be destroyed.
That's certainly true.
But thinking, you know, in the more micro picture as a father and your fatherly obligations, 10 years can make the difference in you keeping your kids.
So, if you think like, well, this state's just 10 years behind the other state, yeah, that's huge.
Yeah.
That's huge.
That literally could be the difference in your child being taken or not.
Right.
Or building a business.
You're unable to successfully build something in California due to taxes and legislation and regulation, or you're able to successfully build something and then actually fund local candidates to give yourself more of a chance.
Just to illustrate Ben's point, Nate, can you scroll up?
We had two comments, one from Leah, I think, Leigh.
Leigh, shh.
Michael, you're bilingual.
Not that bilingual.
I'm just going to say lay.
Scheit.
Scheit.
Oh, the last one.
I think it's Lee Scheit.
Lee Scheit.
All right.
Lee Scheit.
Thanks for your comment.
They said, We in my small town successfully managed to get a transgender town manager to resign.
It was a very difficult battle.
The commies were very active.
There was one above that, too.
And this was Stryker.
Nope.
Down a little more.
Stryker said, a longtime supporter.
You guys should look up Illinois House Bill 2827, homeschooling changes.
We fought back with the most witness slips ever in Illinois history.
And the bill was withdrawn.
These are practical examples of people doing exactly what we're talking about.
Like, we can't tell you what bill is at this stage in Iowa and this stage in Kansas and this stage in Tennessee.
But we can say, and what you need to be taking away from this is there is for sure something going on in your state, if not locally, that you can be involved in.
Step one find other people that agree with you on it, find your fight, and then do something.
Is it like email?
Like, if you have too much social anxiety to write an email, you're not going to be in the fight.
I don't know what to tell you.
But start writing an email, make a phone call.
Like, those things, people are telling stories in the chat.
Hey, this got withdrawn.
My town now has a better manager.
Hey, this bill that would have crushed homeschooling is actually no longer a thing.
Hey, property taxes here in Texas, this, that, and the other.
The pushback on this Colorado bill, which we'll talk about in a minute, it got a provision pulled off of it because it was so controversial that it would have designated parents who misgender their children as abusive.
And that was pushback from pastors like Chase Davis, other guys in Colorado, Christians who said, We won't stand for that.
And it is hard, and you don't win every battle.
You can lobby a lawmaker.
We did this in Texas with an abolition bill.
They still killed the bill.
So it's not a guaranteed fight.
Like, oh, just get out there and we'll win.
No, we have decades worth of work ahead of us, long hours.
But like you said, Joel, it actually matters.
Like, even if all said and done, it's God's will that the West would go through a long stage of apostasy and destruction and all of these different things.
Better to have time to prepare and set your family up than just throw your hands up and say, eh, what could we have done?
Right.
Amen.
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All right, let's dive into this bill.
I'm going to kind of unpack and show you guys how legislation works and kind of how it can start the slippery slope.
Before we get into there, you notice I noted the four sponsors of the bill.
So the two sponsors in the House, which are both women, and then the two individuals that sponsored it in the Senate.
One was a man, one was a woman.
And one was a man, one was a woman.
Four sponsors, but collectively they represent 127 cats.
127 cats.
Can confirm.
Well, let me read this quote from this senator.
And this is just, it's blasphemous, but these are the people that are writing your laws because Christians have abdicated it.
So this is Senator Chris Kolker in Senate remarks on May 7th.
I'm accountable to Almighty God because I'm standing up for equality.
That's my decision one day.
That my decision's one day, and I will stand before him and be accountable.
Well, this is what I believe.
You ever see that movie, Talladega Nights?
And you see that section where they're talking at the dinner table and they're talking about who their favorite version of Jesus is?
I love baby Jesus.
And the guy goes, Well, I love Leonard Skynyard and Jesus when the angels are behind him and the choir is singing and he's playing Freebird.
And so he comes back.
Well, on my day of judgment, I will be standing in front of trans.
I'm not even going to finish it.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Trans.
What I believe.
J E S U S.
That is.
Blasphemous.
It's what I believe, and I believe that Jesus, God, will look at me and say, You stood up for people.
You stood up for those who are less fortunate, who struggled.
You may pass.
You may enter.
I encourage and I vote.
And so this is the one of the other senators, the one man, at least.
And guys, I did early life checks.
I couldn't find anything.
Believe it or not.
All right.
I tried.
I looked, but.
Can I add something in there, Wes?
This is just anecdotal, but about four years ago, when we drove down, when we moved down from Washington to Texas, my father in law, Had been in the Air Force Academy, which was also in Colorado Springs before he had my wife.
And so on our way driving down from Washington to Texas, we stopped in Colorado Springs and we did a tour of the Air Force Academy.
Thought that would be super fun.
Grandkids get to see it, it was really neat.
But we were there over a weekend.
And so my wife's mom, my mother in law, said, Oh, you guys should go to the church that we used to go to when we lived in Colorado Springs.
Oh, that's a great idea.
So that Sunday when we were driving down, we went to that church.
And it was, I've seen worse sermons like online, but as far as personally, I've never been in a woke Christian environment in my life.
And so that representative that you just quoted, Wes.
Senator.
Senator, I'm sorry.
He's getting his Christian lingo from somewhere, right?
Where is he getting it from?
Yeah.
Right.
And that religion of equality.
Child Haganites.
Yeah, well, he told you my name.
Will Ferrell.
From Will Ferrell.
Gosh.
And that equality, we'll have to do an episode on it.
That is just religious in its commitment to it.
Like, guys, I have a commitment, and it's not biblical Christianity, whether they're claiming to be a Christian or like this guy who's just kind of like using the religious language.
I mean, they're literally like their sacrament, their works of righteousness.
What are they?
It's equality.
This man is using religious freedom.
Liberty and equality.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Anytime somebody says, like, these are my highest ideals, liberty and equality.
Right.
You can just go ahead and take it to the bank that that dude wants to chop off the genitals of little boys.
I'm tired of sugarcoating it.
We just have to come to the point where we realize, like, yeah, I believe that every human being is equal in the sight of God with innate dignity and value in the eternal sense, in the ultimate spiritual sense.
And I believe that.
In one nation under God, that when it comes to legislation, when it comes to law, the judicial system, that there shouldn't be a certain class of citizens that can get away with crimes, and another class that's penalized beyond what the punishment should be.
So, equality in the sight of God, equality under the law.
Other than that, equality is a myth.
It's a myth.
Not just equal outcomes, right?
So, we understand equity, equal outcomes.
We understand the injustice in that, right?
The idea that, well, everybody has to end in the same position.
So, if somebody doesn't work very hard, or they started 20 years later and somebody else, well, they all have to end in the same place.
And so that means we have to supplement.
We have to do distribution.
We have to take from somebody who worked really hard and give it to somebody else so that at the end of the day, everybody gets the same prize.
Everybody ends at the same position.
So that's equity, equality of outcome.
But here's the reality in the world that God actually made, not your fantasy rainbow unicorn world, but the world that God actually made.
Equality of opportunity is just as much of a myth as equality of outcome.
We do not have equal opportunity from birth, from the starting point with everybody else on the planet.
I've never had equal opportunity to play in the NBA as other individuals have, by virtue of the fact that for whatever reason, God didn't make me six foot seven.
He saw fit according to his good pleasure and his sovereign will to make me like this instead of.
But you are six foot one.
To be fair.
I'm six foot one.
Yeah.
So it's, you know, it's not, it could be worse.
Right.
It could be worse.
But, but it's not, it's not NBA status.
And so we don't have equal opportunity.
We don't have the people across the planet don't have equal intelligence.
They don't have equal physical speed, agility, height.
We don't have equal health.
I mean, some people are born with, sadly, you know, with like lifelong, you know, health conditions that they're going to be at a disadvantage over the course of their.
Entire life.
So, equality of outcome, equity is certainly not only a myth, but unjust.
But then also, equality of opportunity is a myth that doesn't exist.
God made a world that includes hierarchy.
It includes hierarchy.
And every time we hear that word, we think, oh, we just immediately associate it with injustice.
What makes hierarchy unjust is when those at the top are behaving in such a way that they're exploiting those below.
When they're behaving in a way that is wicked, then that is unjust.
But there's nothing unjust about God, the potter reserving, he's the potter reserving the right to make out of the same lump of clay.
Some people, obviously, Romans 9 is speaking about those who are salvation, you know, the redeemed versus the reprobate.
He makes some for noble purposes and some for common use.
But that same potter, also in a temporal sense, it is also his prerogative.
It's his right to make some people with 150 IQ and some people with 120 and then some people with 80.
And then some people, sadly, the worst is with 100, you know, the quintessential midwit, you know, who's like, honestly, like if you have 80 IQ, You are probably far less of a detriment to society than the person with the 100.
I mean, the master's degree, 100 IQ.
100 IQ.
That guy.
Yeah, and a Subaru.
I'm sorry, Michael, but that guy is a terror on the world.
That is the quintessential midwit who makes everything terrible, right?
But Michael is not equal.
Because he thinks he knows more.
This has been studied.
It's called the Dunning Kruger effect.
There's a lot of people.
I mean, the distribution of IQ, most people are in the middle, and it's a big temptation to think you know more.
To be proud, to be arrogant, like, oh, I know what we should do.
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And a lot of progressives, that's generally the area they fall.
They are relatively educated, they're relatively intelligent, but they think themselves wiser than they are.
They do stupid things.
And on the equality piece, to connect it to what I said about the women in the legislator, women have a stronger bent towards equality, but that's part of their nature when it relates to children.
My wife's very equal with our children, right?
Berries, she's given one berries and the other, she's fair and she shares with them.
Now, but take that inclination, which is good, and our kids love it about her and she does it well.
Take that inclination to legislation, and what you have to do is you can see them trying to legislate.
I'm going to read some sections from this bill in a minute here.
Well, uh, everyone in Colorado is not equal, not everyone has all that opportunity, all of that final outcomes.
So, we're going to use the weight of the law to try to impress upon them.
The only way to do that, when I mean you just have a kind of flat, bare level of society that people are rising above, we got to push down.
You say, No, you have to hire these people, you have to rent to them, you have to give them X, you have to give them Y.
That is a feminine instinct that destroys society at scale.
Here's another great point in the chat.
John Dupree, who's a friend of ours and we appreciate very much, he said, We used to live, his family, we used to live in Colorado from 2005 to 2013.
When the state turned blue was when the state went to male in only voting.
And that is true.
And it gets to the point that we are making.
And you might think, Well, how do you connect those dots?
Well, I'll do my best.
It gets to equality.
The idea of mail in ballots and mail in voting is, well, but some people aren't going to take the time to spend half an hour getting into their car.
Or remember all the stuff during the 2020 election?
We're like, well, it's not fair that you have to show an ID in order to vote because we all know that black people don't know how to get a driver's license.
And the Republicans, rightfully so, were having a field day with it, saying, that's the most racist.
If there is such a thing as racism, you guys, you nailed it.
I'm pretty sure black people can get an ID.
They can get a driver's license.
But that's the concept for the liberal is well, we need to make voting as easy as possible because whether it's people not able to get a driver's license, which I'm not convinced of whatsoever, or just simply the inconvenience, they're not going to take 30 minutes out of their day and take 15 seconds to look up on their phone where to go to vote.
But we need everyone's voice.
Here's the deal this is crazy.
You actually don't.
In fact, I would go so far to say you actually want to avoid getting everyone's voice.
You do not want the peanut gallery dictating the direction of your state.
Voting, I for one, I'm like, let's make voting as difficult as possible.
That's what Defiant Baptist just said.
Let's make it harder.
Well, voting is just too inconvenient and it's too complex.
It's too complicated.
It's too difficult.
And so we're going to do mail in ballots.
Okay, then you've just destroyed your state.
Because essentially what you've said is we're going to get the stupidest people in our state and make sure that their voice is heard.
And here's the deal that person who, like, Because this is your sacred democracy at work here, friends.
This is your sacred democracy.
So you're talking about somebody with ADIQ, somebody who is on welfare.
So they're not paying taxes.
They're a drain on the tax system.
So they're taking tax money.
They're not working.
They're not intelligent.
They aren't even willing to get in a car and drive for 15 minutes to go to a voting booth.
And you're saying, but we have got to hear that person's voice.
And that person's voice, this voice that we've just got to hear from.
Is going to have the same voting power as another man who started his own business, who actually pays for the welfare that this other man takes, is raising five children who are all going to work, Lord willing, one day, and actually make sure that Social Security is still there, which it probably won't be, but hypothetically, still there.
So that's one of my favorite jokes.
Every time I go to a coffee shop, we roll up my wife and I in our van with our five kids, and Lord willing, we might have more.
But five for now.
And, you know, people are like, oh my gosh, you have your hands full.
Oh my goodness, five children.
Are they all yours?
You know, all the usual jokes.
Are they all yours?
Do you know what makes that?
Yeah.
Do you know how kids are made?
And it's like, yeah, and we're pretty good at it.
That's why, you know, that's why we have so many, you know, but all the usual jokes.
And then I usually make a joke, you know, because they're usually there with their dog, you know, on a leash or something like that.
And I'll just respond by saying, well, you're welcome because my five kids will pay for your social security and your dog won't pay for mine.
And, you know, sometimes they laugh and then sometimes they look offended.
And I'm like, yeah, you're a stupid lib.
Yeah, like, seriously, like, it is a tangible benefit.
It's not just that it's moral, it's not just that it's right, but somebody who starts a business that employs other people, that pays taxes, that supports that dude on welfare who's going to be mailing in his vote, and who has five children who are for the next generation going to be working and paying taxes and supporting, you know, other people who opted out of having children for their own selfish convenience.
And, you know, Yet, are going to be a drain on the system later in life, and my kids are going to pick up their slack.
Yeah, my voice is more important.
So I'm fine with everybody having a vote, but I should get 20.
I should get 20, you know, and then there's other people, and I'm not just talking about myself, there's other people who should get 100 and other people who should get 500 votes.
Or what you could do is you could just say, no, we're actually just going to take votes from one sector of the population, and it's going to be heads of household.
Who are married and committed to having children, furthering the next generation, and they're heritage Americans, so not just American citizens, but they've actually been here for generations back.
So they have a stake in the past, they have children, they're married with children, so they have a stake in the future.
So they stake in the past, stake in the future, they're working, they're land owning, they're head of household.
Yes, I'm speaking of men.
And those individuals will have a vote.
And it doesn't mean that nobody else has a voice, but everybody else will have a voice underneath their federal headship.
Right, that man's wife has a voice, she is there whispering in his ear.
His heart is inclined towards her, he wants her good, he wants her benefit.
If she sees something he doesn't, she's going to voice that to him and he's going to carry those concerns with him into the voting booth.
But what I'm saying is this John Dupree, I think he nailed it.
Like that's a comment that would have been easy to miss in the chat.
Yeah.
Because people think, oh, well, it's the weed, you know, and like, and don't get me wrong, the weed doesn't help, right?
So, you know, the weed doesn't help.
Or the geography, the mountains, we talked about, like, maybe that's why it's going blue because liberals, you know, YOLO, they know they're going to hell, you know, they only live once.
So, you know, might as well get as close to heaven as they'll ever be, you know, and get to ski in the Rockies, you know, as they deny Jesus Christ as Lord, you know, over their 80 years of life.
That's a decent explanation, too.
So I think like liberals being attracted to beautiful states on the coast or Colorado with the Rockies or the idea of, Um, uh, marijuana being made legal, I think Colorado was the first state to do it.
You know, those are good explanations, but don't sleep on what John said.
Um, the mail in ballot, um, if you want to tank a country, a state, a county, a district, um, then make sure that the most retarded people in that area get a voice.
I've got a dumb dad joke for you.
All right, I love it.
The mail in ballot and the mail list ballot.
Well, even uh, Aristotle, long ago, he recognized.
One of the tensions with democracy is that a wide, lower, poorer class, if you give suffrage to all of them, you say all of you can vote, that they're always going to be inclined towards greater licentiousness and the taking of the wealth from those above them.
Balancing who votes and who doesn't.
Someone asked, like, well, should middle class people like you guys not have a voice compared to upper class?
It's always a tension.
Society has always had to deal with how do we keep the working class happy in a good way?
How do we care for them?
How do we protect them?
But at the same time, not have them guillotining the rich.
AKA the French Revolution.
That is the quintessential problem of statecraft.
But expanding, so you're bottom of the triangle, you're 80%, you're uninformed, you're no college education, expanding it so all of them, people are knocking on their door, begging them, please fill out this ballot.
We'll even tell you who you should vote for that will help you with your welfare and unemployment, this, that, or the other.
That has been destructive for all of time.
Aristotle knew it, the ancients knew it, the founders themselves were critical of raw democracy.
They knew it was a problem.
Dude, the American founders, people just don't, they forget this.
They had nothing good to say about democracy.
So, one, it's not American.
It's not American.
A raw democracy is never what they had in mind.
A constitutional representative republic is what they had in mind.
And then, two, don't sleep on this one.
It's like, well, the founders didn't like it.
That's good enough.
Well, if it's not good enough, here's another example the Bible.
Every example of democracy in the Bible is bad, whether it's the people saying, give us a king, or whether it's the people, the crowd saying, crucify him.
You want to see examples of democracy in scripture?
The crucifixion of Jesus.
There's a great example of democracy.
The people got their way.
Yeah, you have a spineless politician who's up for re election in that district, namely Pontius Pilate, and he wants to please the Jews in his region because he needs their constituency to be on his side.
And then the elite Jews, the Pharisees and Sadducees and religious rulers, they're going down the line and bribing and whispering in the ears.
I'd say, Barabbas, give us Barabbas, the murderer, the rapist, give us Barabbas, give him instead.
And then Pilate says, okay, so I'm going to hand over Barabbas, I'm keeping Jesus, so he's still on trial.
So What should his punishment mean?
And then again, they go and stir up the crowd for a democratic, our sacred democracy vote.
If you, you need, as a Christian, you need to be thinking, Jesus nailed to a cross, democracy.
It's the same picture.
Corporate needs you to tell you to say, what's the difference between these two pictures?
And one is Jesus nailed on a cross.
And this is hypothetical.
You don't actually need the picture because that would be a second commandment violation.
We don't need images of Jesus.
But Jesus nailed on a cross and our sacred democracy.
And you, as a Christian, should be able to respond and say, it's the same.
Picture democracy, death of Jesus.
Democracy, death of Jesus.
That's that's pretty much it.
All right, we are not respecters of democracy.
Let's get to what our sacred democracy and women in office let's get to what they gave the poor people of Colorado.
So, this is House Bill 1312.
It's called the Kelly Loving Act after a man who believed himself to be a woman and was shot in a nightclub in some type of incident in 2012.
So, that happened.
Uh, that's what it's called the Kelly Loving Act.
It originally included a provision that parents that misgendered their children.
Would actually be guilty of coercive abuse, and that could be used as evidence for CPS actually taking the kids away.
That's the one I mentioned earlier.
A lot of Christians and pastors fought against that provision specifically.
And in God's grace, it was taken out.
So the final version that was signed into law a week ago doesn't include that.
That's the worst part.
That was the state will come and take your kids.
I mean, what we got is not much better, but the very least, there's that.
I'm going to call attention to a couple portions here.
So there's a portion that deals with marriage licenses, there's a portion that deals with schools, how schools have to deal with this.
We won't get into all the details of that.
And then a final one on equal opportunity and discrimination.
But the very first one, the state must.
So we've had a couple instances, I forget which state it was, but for example, a woman was a clerk and the state said, You have to issue this marriage license.
It was for a homosexual couple in this case.
And she fought it and she was like, No, I'm not going to do this.
I'm not going to do this.
Well, you actually see the lines of the previous provision that they struck out where it was softer language.
It was like the state may issue a new license.
So they went in, they literally struck that and it's the state must.
And they literally specified working hours.
Like, you must provide this license.
If someone comes in, they say, Hey, my name has changed.
I want a new marriage license.
I want it to reflect this.
They have to do it.
They have to do it within working hours.
So that's the state coming in being like, You will issue that license.
So help me, our sacred democracy, the deity in that case.
And then get this, Nate, you can pull that second quote up on the screen.
This is from the law.
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Thanks, man.
Thank you.
Yes.
Okay, here we go.
One of my.
One of my great mutuals.
Oh, really?
Cool.
Yes, on X.
So HB 251312, section 1421063B.
A new license to marry issued pursuant to the subsection of the section supersedes the original license.
So that replaces it to marry as the official public record and must not be marked as amended or indicate in any manner that the name of the license to marry has been changed.
What I think this provision is doing is literally saying in the future, if, say, this was reversed and the GOP comes into power, You would not be able to go through marriage licenses and even find the people that went to it and changed their name.
Kind of reminds me of 1984, the George Orwell book, where there's only the present, there's only the revolution of the moment, and it's intended to never be connected, to never keep a record.
There's this moment where they actually change what country they're at war with.
They spend all night in the building literally burning all these records and all these newspapers, any evidence that it previously existed as it was.
And so the next day they wake up, they're at war with a different country, and they're like, look, this is how it's always been.
And in the same kind of way, I think I see in that law the reason it's written saying you can't indicate anywhere in this license that this is a replacement, you can't indicate that anyone's name has changed, is to even safeguard.
So, if in the future someone wants to come in and say, well, hang on, we can't issue these licenses, a mistake has been made, there'd be literally no possible way to trace it.
Wow.
Isn't that crazy?
That's wicked.
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No, no, this one's on the house.
All right, real quick, we're going to hop into some more with the bill, but Nathan, scroll up real quick.
I just, I appreciate a good dad joke.
Michael had a good one, but here's another.
So, John Lovell in the chat, he says, What do you guys know about Noah's Ark?
And then Deacon St. John, God bless you.
Off the top rope.
Off the top rope, he responds by saying, A boatload.
What do you guys know about Noah's Ark?
A boatload.
I appreciate that.
I love it.
I just needed to call attention to it.
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Yep.
Okay.
So let's get to the crux of the bill.
It's funny, and I'm going to get to it in a minute, but there was an image that went viral from Reddit of a website to report dead naming.
So it Put forward the idea that this bill bans all types of misgendering.
So, someone, you know, they come into the store, you pass them on the street, you say, Sorry, sir, like, no, I want to be called ma'am.
You say, My apologies, sir, I didn't mean any offense, kind of implying that's something that would be illegal.
This bill does not do that.
What this bill does do, though, and I'm going to read it from this right here, is the bill introduces, and this has been signed into law, so this is now the law of the land in Colorado.
When you have protected categories, what belongs under those protected categories is a big deal.
Federal protected categories that's sex, that's gender, that's veteran status, disability, for instance.
Well, what Colorado did with this bill is they introduced chosen name and how the individual chooses to be expressed as a protected category.
So now, when you think about what can't I violate, so some of the other ones that are protected are appearance, or it's the same thing, it's sex, it's housing status, it's disability, it's all those different things.
So it puts this new category in, and listen to what it says.
The General Assembly finds and declares that each Coloradan has the right to access fair employment, housing opportunity, public accommodations, and advertising that is free from discrimination, regardless of their membership in a protected class.
As those classes are listed in their sections, this prohibits discrimination based on these protected classes, ensures that every Coloradan has the ability to enjoy freedom from discrimination.
And so, in matters of employment and housing, those are the two big ones, it is now illegal.
To discriminate on someone, say they come to you and say, hey, my pronouns are he.
I forget how you even use these pronouns because I've never used them in my life.
They say their pronouns are this, they, they, them, bit bop.
And you look at them and, like, you're obviously just a balding man.
So you do that, and it's related to employing them, it's related to giving them housing.
Colorado now has said that is illegal.
And here's how practically this would work because you could say, well, that doesn't sound like a very big deal, right?
So you're walking on the street, you're not going to get arrested by the cops, even in a classroom, like you say it.
Like, it doesn't sound like that much could necessarily happen.
But here's how it could go.
And this happened with, I think, was in Colorado.
The cake baking incident.
You have a business or you have something like that, and these people, these wicked people, that their whole mission in life is to advance this ideology, advance gender mismatch, whatever it is.
They could then target your business and they could apply for a job or apply to rent from you.
Say you own a couple homes.
Hey, you have some rentals and they apply to rent.
Well, you don't rent to them, and maybe, hey, maybe you did it because they're weird, right?
There is a weird dude.
You don't feel safe around him.
You have no desire to have him in your business.
So you go ahead and you do that.
Now, he would have grounds and he could attempt to make the claim and come up and say, I applied for employment at Covenant Bible Church that had an open listing.
I applied to rent the home from this individual who's a member here, and they didn't give it to me because of my gender identity.
And we've talked about this with the Palantir episode, for example.
I really don't actually think you'll see the day where Americans are being arrested for Facebook posts, right?
For calling Caitlyn Jenner a man.
I don't actually think that's going to happen.
Same thing, anti Semitism.
But here's what you will be you'll be out of jail, sure.
You'll be unemployable.
No one will rent to you.
Your name will be mud.
It'll follow you everywhere you go.
Oh, you're free.
Yeah, but I can't work and get a job with a meaningful salary.
That's what's insidious about this bill.
And there's always the Mott and Bailey.
So someone could say, well, no, no, no, it's not meant to do that.
It's just meant to prevent something egregious and abuses of it and longstanding harassment.
Like if you're harassing someone again and again, using their gender identity that they don't want you to use.
Yeah, but who's to ever say that it won't ever be applied in that way?
Remember the Civil Rights Act?
There was insisting that busing wouldn't be utilized to force the integration of school districts.
All the advocates, like, no, no, no, you're scared about nothing.
We won't be doing busing.
Guess what happened after the Civil Rights Act was passed to force integration?
Bussing.
Again and again and again, legislatures will pass legislation and they'll tell you what's one thing, but practically speaking, it has in its scope allowances for other things.
And those things are used to destroy Christians' businesses, destroy their churches, destroy their reputation, make them unemployable.
But they can throw their hands up and say, hey, We didn't charge him, he didn't go to jail, yeah.
But the dude has moved, has had to move out of the state to even find a job to uproot his life, uproot his family, uproot his home, and all of that.
That's well said.
A couple important comments Defiant Baptist he said, I hit the like button or your pronouns will become boomerslash con forever.
We don't make the rules, but he's right, it's true.
And uh, yeah, so unless you want your pronouns forever to be boomerslash con, uh, then please hit the like button and then go up real quick, Foxhound 21b.
There's another one if you go up a little bit more.
A little bit more.
You're so close.
There it is.
Foxhound21B said in Queensland, Australia.
I started reading this comment and I was like, let me stop you there.
Yeah.
You're telling me there's a place called Queensland?
Like, whatever you're talking about.
You're telling me about a place called Australia?
Well, seriously, Australia.
That's already bad enough.
But you're telling me there's a Queensland in Australia?
So, whatever else you're about to say should come as no surprise.
In Queensland, Australia, it is a workplace crime, even by a customer, to shop assistant across the counter.
To hurt people's feelings and maybe even by misgendering.
However, it's not yet tested in court.
So, just, you know, it's like the Trump, you know, the Trump meme, you know, really?
You're telling me this for the first time.
You're telling me that there's a place called Queensland and it's a crime to hurt people's feelings in Queensland.
That checks out.
All of these things are for the course.
That makes a lot of sense.
Yeah.
Yep.
Deacon St. John, if someone doesn't identify as the person on their driver's license or their passport, so say they have a passport, it's prior to them pretending they're somebody different.
What is preventing them from not identifying as a person on your lease in your rental property?
Exactly.
Like, there are forms where you have to put any aliases that you've used in your life.
Right.
Hey, just to be clear, I've sometimes been called this nickname or that so they can do background checks.
That guy spent five years in a federal penitentiary.
Like, yeah.
Now I'm going by this guy, but I have to tell you that that guy was me too.
And that's what progressives are so good at.
They'll see, and women especially, they'll see what they perceive to be a problem, but they'll create a solution that unleashes.
10 more problems.
Like, even if this was a say, it wasn't over something that we fundamentally disagree with, but it was just something of you can change your name at will, not related to gender identity.
Even still, we have these laws for a reason, we have names for a reason, and this structure has been very helpful to us.
But progressives, they will do this.
They will go in and they'll say, But this disadvantages, you know, what about this young man who has his dad's last name and he's called, you know, Junior, but he hated his dad and his dad was in prison, and we just want him to be able to just go buy something new and not have to change it.
And I can understand that argument of a young man, but you have to understand those are the minority, and you don't alter your long standing laws for exceptions.
And it's a hard thing to do to not make the exception, but you have to, in that role, civil magistrate, the state, keeping order, you cannot make the exception the rule.
So even if this law had nothing to do with misgendering and transgenderism and any of that, if it had nothing to do with any of that, it still would introduce, from the paperwork perspective, from what Deacon St. John's talking about, from a lease perspective, from a discrimination perspective.
It's wholly unworkable, wholly destructive.
And I feel for people in Colorado, people that have their roots there, have businesses there that have been successful.
So, what do you think will be like?
It doesn't go into effect until October, right?
Is that right?
What will be immediate effects or fallouts?
Or what are people, I don't know if you've seen anything that Chase Davis has said about it since the bill passed, but practically what does this mean for Coloradans?
Remains to be seen.
Okay.
Because it's political will.
Will the state have the political will to prosecute someone?
Maybe they won't, to be honest.
Like, they got a lot of pushback from this.
So maybe there's never any attempt.
But even still being on the books.
Right.
And being on the books, it has an impact of reinforcing nope, you've got to do this.
This is the law.
I want to highlight one clever piece of resistance.
Oh, yeah.
And for those of you that are thinking politically and you want to get involved, have stuff like this in your wheelhouse.
So I mentioned it earlier, an image went viral from the Denver subreddit, which I mean, Reddit, you know, it's like Obi Wan.
Like, never you've seen such a hive of, you know, villainry and wretchedness.
So, Reddit.
And there was a link to just, it was just an image and it said, hey, if you've observed, it says something to the effect of, it's illegal now to not use people's correct pronouns.
And if you've observed any of this, go to this website to submit a report.
Now, the law doesn't set any of that up.
So there's no task force funded or anything like that.
So it's clearly not legal.
Like this is not the state setting this up whatsoever.
But you go to the site and I didn't include an image of it because it has just a gross image of like a drag queen wearing a beard.
And it's so on the nose.
That's a little too on the nose.
You go to the bottom of it, and there's nothing about who set it up, who it's funded by, where they have an office.
All that's there is just a phone number and just a very simple boilerplate report form.
I think it's deadnaming.com.
You can go there, and I don't want to blow the lid.
And I don't know anyone who's truly behind this.
So I have no intel that this is secretly our thing.
But I think this was set up to make it look bad, to advance the image that Colorado was banning any pronoun misusage and had set up a website where you're reporting it.
I don't, most certainly, the state has not done that.
And I don't even think any independent individual group has done that.
But think of all the negative press that has happened because all over the United States, people go, What the hell is happening in California?
And there's a website set up where people are reporting pronoun misusage.
I'll go on record and say, I think it's a great tactic.
I don't know who set it up.
I don't know what their intentions are.
Maybe it is legitimate and there's someone behind the line and they're going to try to badger the state.
But I think it's a very clever.
I mean, the picture on the front, if you go to the website, it's really in your face and it really highlights the ugliest parts of it.
And it insists on the violations that are such an antithesis to the American.
You would even misuse this.
I think it's a great piece of guerrilla warfare.
This is politics, and politics is war in the same way that if you're in war, you wear camouflage.
In war, it's not like, well, I'm a beautiful loser, and I'm going to be virtuous, and so I don't want to do anything that might be deceptive.
And so as I march onto the battlefield, I'm going to blow a trumpet and sound an alarm saying, my location is here, and here are my coordinates, and let's fight fair.
We're wearing Hunter Orange.
Yeah, then you're dead.
No, you have to understand politics is war.
It is a war for the soul of our nation.
That's what it is.
And when you think of the left, this is exactly what they do, right?
I mean, this is what the FBI has done.
You know, but I leftist, FBI, you know, tomato, tomato, I repeat myself.
But the point is how many, you know, feds were involved with January 6th, for instance?
Certainly some.
Or like Nazis rallies, you know, when it's like, oh, it turns out it's just Antifa.
Well, there was a dressing in a.
Plot to assassinate the governor of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer.
Yeah, yeah, for sure confirmed.
Yeah, the FBI was kind of prodding them on, like, go do it, go do it.
They were fine with those tactics to make it look like there's guys out there.
They're playing to assassinate their own governor.
They're so radical.
Right.
So the left always does that.
The left will always try to make the right seem more extreme than it is.
And in this particular case, I don't even think there's any foul play.
I don't even think it's deceptive because you're.
You know, whoever did this, let's say it is somebody on the right, you know, who set up this website, you know, with this picture.
Like in that case, they're actually not being deceitful.
They're actually saying this is sponsored by the shade of Colorado or this is official.
I would say on the front page, it says like it's illegal in Colorado not to do this.
Like it's carefully worded.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's carefully worded.
At face value, certainly someone gets a different impression than what's truly there, but that's what it can lend to.
It eventually can absolutely lead there.
And so, But yeah, like helping people connect the dots to the logical end and seeing like this is where the ideology leads.
This is, yeah, like that's the we don't expose evil just for the sake of exposing it.
The goal ultimately is to destroy it.
But the way that you destroy evil is by exposing it.
A lot of people, the reason they don't fight back against evil is because they don't see how truly sinister it actually is.
And so that's a lot of, A lot of our tactics when it comes to politics and when it comes to culture and these kinds of things needs to be exposure, exposing like this is how wicked this is what we're actually talking about.
That's why things like the Epstein list, you know, need to be released.
And I'll be honest, like, it's a little bit off putting.
It's almost scary listening to, for instance, Dan Bongino, just like two months ago, talking about the Epstein list and talking about Jeffrey Epstein in particular, and saying there's no way that he killed himself.
And Americans need to know because it ties to this and that, and possibly Israeli intelligence.
And then, like, Elites within our own American government and Americans absolutely need to know because this affects elections and it affects this.
Challenging The American Dream00:15:36
And he made this really great argument.
And then he came into political office and just came out and said, No, guys, he killed himself.
It's just funny playing those two clips just a couple months apart, back to back.
Kash Patel, you look at the rhetoric of some of these guys before they go into office.
You know what I mean?
It's like, oh, Cash is going to, you know, he's going to burn it to the ground.
You said he was going to make it into a museum of the deep state day one.
Day one.
Or what, day 125?
Yep.
Yep.
So you're telling me the guy who put his hand and swore in on the Guggle.
What's the, is that the, what's the Bhagavad Gita?
Bhagavad Gita.
The sand demon text.
That guy didn't keep his word.
Shocking.
But that's, but my point is that, yeah, like, so go with, you know, previous Dan Boncino and not, you know, present day one.
He's right.
He was right.
He used to be right.
These things do need to be exposed because people need to know what they're actually dealing with.
So, like, any way that you can shine light on this bill or this politician or whatever and show how sinister it actually is so that people wake up out of their slumber and realize what's at stake is that's how you do politics.
Defiant Baptist.
Defiant Baptist.
You can't trust your local sand demon.
Who can you trust?
That's a valid point.
That's fine.
He's like, guys, if you get, yeah, if you like, guys, he swore on the Bhagavad Gita.
We're not going to take him at his word.
He's based, guys.
He said he was going to go and destroy the left, you know?
He was talking about the American dream.
He's American as they come.
Mangino did too, though.
He was talking about the American dream for other countries.
He's like, and I will do whatever it takes to fight for your children.
No, for the children of foreigners in other countries.
And I'm in there.
The American dream is swearing on a false religion text.
And I'm not keeping my word.
Shocking.
There's a reason we said on Monday, we are not conservatives.
Because that, like that framing, that kind of.
That's quintessential conservative.
That is, there's your conservative.
Yep.
To bring it full circle, guys, your grandfather, right?
You're trying to kind of convince your parents, get them involved.
Hey, mom, would love to see you.
Hey, mom, dad, could you come out?
Could you be active in this?
Could you do some block walking?
Yeah.
Guys, your grandfather did not have the threat of his business being sued into oblivion because he called someone the wrong pronoun.
Things are changing and things are changing quickly.
The left got wrecked in November and they said, Hang on, we can double down.
All in, they have bet the house on this.
And it's probably gonna get uglier before it gets better.
This is not the last hurrah like Colorado, one final bill before we get swept out in November.
No, Colorado will probably get more blue.
California will probably get more blue.
They're not backing off, they're not backing down.
And like I said in the cold open, they will do their best to make the Christian's life, the Christian family, to make it hell, to educate their children, to be successful.
To go to church and ultimately for them to be economically viable.
That's what you're up against.
And you can sit in the back and you can go, woe is me, or you can fight it.
You can fight it locally.
You can fight it politically.
You can fight it by fleeing.
You can fight it by leaving, not giving your tax dollars to the state of Colorado to turn around and bring the hammer down on you.
So you can fight by leaving.
You can fight politically.
You can fight by being successful.
There's many things to do.
But you, as the Christian, when we are saved, we are conscripted, enrolled into the army of God.
You are called to warfare.
This is one of the practical ways your warfare looks like as you have the means.
Amen.
And you do need to be aware, like what you were saying, like California will probably get bluer, Colorado will probably get bluer.
The world is balkanizing right now.
That's just, that is what's happening.
And you probably need to be aware of that and better sooner than later.
You know, like if your kids are tiny tots, it's a lot easier to make a transition with younger children than older children when you're pulling them away from all their friends and those kinds of things.
And so just being aware that, yeah, for the foreseeable future, I don't see, especially the quintessential bluest states in America, I don't see them getting better for the near term.
And when I say near term, I'm talking like 10 years, 15 years, 20 years.
I see America basically coming to terms with realizing that we have like two different countries and that we actually can't get along.
Like these are not just petty differences.
It's like, well, there's always been two parties.
Yeah.
And they would argue over, you know, 11% tax or 10% tax.
It's a little different now.
Yep.
Like, we're like the arguments now are over slaughtering babies, taking people's children, you know, flooding the nation with 40 million immigrants.
Like, these are different conversations, suing someone's business into oblivion over using the wrong pronouns.
You can't, that's not the type of person that you want to be your neighbor.
You don't want that person to be your neighbor.
And so, and I get it.
I don't want to be, I don't want to be insensitive because I also understand the importance of heritage, not just nationally speaking, but in terms of location and state.
I understand it's a big deal for someone to say, yeah, but like, I live, you know, a mile away from where my grandfather's buried.
Yeah.
And that's why I appreciated Andrew Isker because Andrew Isker, you know, like when I left California, I was coming back home.
I was born and raised in Texas.
But Andrew Isker was leaving, I think, like six generations from his, like, his state and his hometown.
But he's saying, yeah, I'm.
Like it hurts and it's sad and it's no small thing.
And I don't think he minimized it, you know, or downplayed it.
But he said, and yet it's still necessary.
It's still necessary because as a father, I'm responsible for my children and the kinds of policies that are underway.
I could have my children taken from me.
And so, yeah, like that's granddad matters, but my kids actually, in terms of the order of morals and your responsibility, like you have a greater responsibility to your children than you do.
To your great grandfather.
And that's not to say that your great grandfather doesn't matter, because it does.
I remember you saying when you preached through Hebrews that it's by faith that Joseph requests his bones to be taken.
That there's a real category of people who never come back, but there's a real sense where they say, when you do go back, bury me up there.
That is actually my homeland.
Like I am a Yankee at the end of the day.
That is where my family has been for generations.
And maybe my grandkids do go back up to New York.
And maybe I tell them, take me back up there.
We're here in Texas for a little while.
You are from here, but I'm not.
But for right now, like my family's actually coming to move down here.
For the moment, this is where we're going to be, and we're going to wait out the storm, and then maybe we'll actually go back there.
All right.
We got some great super chats.
We hit some of them, but we have not hit all of them.
Rubicon, super chat, $5.
Old Glory Club, North Carolina has members that have taken over the some local GOP and outed leadership county.
The county leadership.
The county leadership.
One county at a time.
Keep fighting, men.
Old Glory Club is great.
There's going to be organizations that are private, that work in the shadows, they're informal.
Old Glory Club, I think Isker was speaking, Aaron McIntyre.
They're a very Public facing group that's going to have actually like chapters and everything like that.
You might not necessarily have one in your area, but they are cropping up everywhere, and that is a great place to meet like minded men.
They're not all going to be perfectly on board if you're on board with us.
They maybe won't agree with all of everything you said, but go to Old Glory Cub, see if you have a local chapter.
If you do, go to a meeting, connect, network with those guys.
They're doing great things.
Covenanter gave us $2.
Thank you, Covenanter.
He said, happy to be out of Colorado and in the Republican.
I met him on Sunday.
He came by.
He and his wife visited up from Waco.
Yeah.
So it was great to meet him.
Yeah, I met him too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They were a great family.
Well, we'll see if we can keep Texas.
I was about to say, like, of your states to move to, like Florida, you're going to prison for anti Semitism.
But to be fair, you're doing the same here.
Like, Ron DeSantis, there's some pretty strong laws down there.
So Florida's pretty good.
It does have that.
Texas is also pretty good.
There's fighters here in Texas.
Florida's a great state for Jews.
Yeah.
The other 49 states are great states.
No, other, but the point is worth mentioning.
So you will go to jail for suggesting that maybe we shouldn't, you know, view Israel as our greatest ally.
But other than that, yeah.
But I mean, legitimately, the governor of Texas, Governor Abbott, you're a conservative, based, whatever, is trying to strip $4 million from the city of San Marcos because they're divesting it from investment in Israel.
Right.
Like, I'm not even kidding.
That's what's happening in our state.
Which is just.
When Adam finds out about this podcast, by the way, we are done.
Texas Department of Public Safety, Homeland Security, National Guard, surround the building, take them away.
But for now, we're all right.
It's frustrating because that's the tactic that the woke used on universities that wanted to divest themselves of Israel investments because of the Hamas thing, the Palestine thing.
But like, we're using the exact same tactics that the liberals and leftists and woke people were using to put pressure on their universities.
You're telling me Governor Abbott is a leftist?
Mm hmm.
You mean to imply to me.
Always has been.
Always has been.
We had a couple questions.
But we are glad that you're here.
Yes.
We're glad that you're here in Texas.
And in terms of where you move, there's different strategies with this.
There's an argument to be made for moving to the deepest red place, going to the portion of the ship that's going to go down under the water last.
But there's also an argument to be made for getting recruits to the scale in Wisconsin or something like that.
Yeah, to places that are teetering.
There's actually, I think, an argument for okay, so we're going to deplete blue states.
Of the tax revenue that comes from the salt of the earth, you know, working conservatives who are actually propping the state up.
And we're going to bring those guys, instead of just, you know, from the deepest blue state to the brightest red, we're going to bring them to a place that's currently contested.
So I think if you're thinking in that vein, and I'm not going to sit here and be dogmatic and say that's the only strategy that's permissible.
But if you are thinking in that vein of, you know, because some guys are like, well, I want to fight, you know, like, And I appreciate that.
I want to fight too.
And so my only suggestion is so then go to a fight and say, well, I'm in the heat of battle right here in California.
It's like, my brother in Christ, that's not a fight.
That's not a battlefield.
That's a graveyard.
Everyone has already been slaughtered.
They've won the war like 20 years ago.
It's the Japanese guy, 20 years after World War II.
He's holed up in the world.
The guy fighting in California is like the guys who dress up once a year to go and act out the Civil War.
My dear friend, it's like, but we had 6 million votes for Trump in 2020.
Yeah, and there were 12 million for Biden.
And think about that.
That's part of what I covered in the book.
But if you took those 6 million votes, In California, and respectively, you know, spread them out between just four of the seven contested swing states.
I believe it was Arizona and Nevada and two others.
Georgia would have been one of them.
Yeah, Georgia would have been one of them.
And then I think not Pennsylvania, because that was a bigger margin.
Michigan.
Yeah, I think it was Michigan or it might have been Wisconsin.
But in just four of the seven swing states that went, you know, flipped blue for Biden, collectively, the margins were so thin that I think collectively it was like 50,000 votes.
Combined between four states, and those four would have given you know the electoral advantage.
And so, my point is, and God's sovereign, and like I kind of feel like, in some way, you know, it worked out better.
It worked out better, yeah, because the left got to overplay its hand, and now the rubber band is snapping back with force, you know, and nature is healing, and there's lots of good things to be encouraged about.
So, you know, common W for God and sovereignty, you know.
So, I'm not going to sit here and argue with God, but the principle still stands.
The principle that I was saying is, Imagine it like there are, because people say, but Joel, there are so many conservatives in a place like California, and I'm sure it's somewhat similar in Colorado.
It's like, yes, there are.
And there are so many places, and there are so many conservatives.
And it's like saying, there are so many recruits over here touring the museum of all the fallen soldiers where they're already dead.
You think you're fighting.
You're not fighting.
You're literally visiting a graveyard, it's a state that's already lost.
And because there are so many conservatives, Imagine what you could do.
Imagine if half of those six million conservatives that voted for Trump in California moved to Texas.
It would be the reddest state.
It'd be over.
It'd be amazing.
Or you could split them up.
You don't even need them all here.
You could go to Texas and you could go to seven other states that are kind of purple and on the edge.
Just besiege your capitals, run for office.
It'd be incredible.
You'd win the country.
We have some questions that some people asked here since we got through all the super chats.
Just that one.
Here's one.
Will doctors be prisoned for saying biological male cannot have a period?
We're not there yet.
One of the provisions in the law is public accommodations.
And so someone could legally make the argument I was not accommodated because I was not called by X, Y, and Z name.
I mean, think about that.
Like you're a Christian doctor and someone comes in and you're like, I want gender affirming care.
Now, obviously, hopefully you're not a gynecologist and you'd be receiving those types of things.
But even if you're just family practice, someone comes in and they're like, I want, you know.
I want this type of care.
And what do you call them?
Because they could try to apply the law and do it.
So for the Ho, it's spelled H O U G H, the Ho 91.
I don't think we're there yet.
Sometimes you just got to spell it.
Don't we have a bill here in Texas, or did it pass?
Basically doing the opposite of this, especially in the medical area with transgenderism.
Texas has passed some good bills.
I'm not aware of any specifically related to that.
I think there is one.
Like we pick on Texas, but honestly, like I know a lot of people that are the politicians.
And there are a lot of great people here doing great work.
Like Texas is stock.
Like there's other places where, like Tennessee and North Carolina, there's, you know, there's reasons that they're going to be doing better, but also there's some negatives.
But Texas does have a lot of people that are interested in closing the border, they're interested in family values.
Texas has no income tax.
Like practically speaking, you're coming from California, no income tax.
Don't worry, we do have property tax.
But they are working on relieving that too.
They are.
To be clear, we have property tax.
School choice is looking better and better.
School choice happened.
It's been signed into law.
Texas Political Perspectives00:02:38
So now, Go ahead.
Homeschoolers and private school, you will get X, Y, and Z thousands of dollars towards helping homeschool and towards helping.
When?
Starting next year?
I believe September 1st.
I believe that.
I don't, I think so, yeah.
Whoa.
I thought it had to be built into the budget for the following year.
Yes, but that passed or is in the process of passing, and that'll kick in, I think that kicks in September of this year.
And then Texas also has some of the most provisions, best laws for homeschooling.
Best laws for homeschooling.
Great gun laws.
You can just carry a gun here.
Open carry.
Like open carry, concealed carry.
You can concealed carry too.
Yep.
Yep.
Just.
Yeah, you can concealed carry in the county.
You don't have to have a.
Yeah.
You don't need any permit for it whatsoever.
It's cheap.
Like as far as housing costs, like you can actually afford a home here much better than you can in California.
Anywhere else.
Colorado.
We pick on Texas, but there are a lot of them.
Yeah, there's a reason we're here.
Yep.
Yep.
There's a reason we're here.
All right.
Foxhound 21B.
This is to US.
All right.
Maybe we get to see a SWAT raid on Right Response live.
That's if Abbott found out about our.
Will that increase our ratings?
I think it would.
I think it absolutely would.
I think we know what we have to do.
We need to stage it.
We need to have someone call it in.
Yeah.
Honestly, somebody needs to fulfill a God ordained ministry by calling us in and boosting our ratings.
Yeah.
Yep.
That would help tremendously.
All right.
Austin says Abbott has a different view of Israel than you.
What else is he liberal on?
He doesn't just have a different view.
The point that we're making.
Is it uh, he's legislating that view to the point where the legislator is legislating it at his direction, he's signing it into law.
Where if somebody's not pro Israel, they're losing money.
The state of Texas cannot do business with any contractor that boycotts Israel, so that means if you enter into a contract for public service or contract for construction, whatever it is, the state of Texas literally will not use your business if you boycott Israel.
Yeah, that's crazy.
And there's other things from COVID to others that he is super squishy on, he is not a leader.
Just he's just, he's not, it's like we stand with you, Greg.
But Greg's not standing for us, yeah.
I just keep wanting him to stand for us, Greg.
Make the stand, just take a stand.
You to make, he just won't do it, he will not do it.
But he'll roll to the wall and wear the tiny hat.
You bet your bottom dollar.
Yeah, they're like, We've never seen someone do it before, and he's like, I'll make it happen.
Yeah, he's like, Well, usually we walk to the wall, he's like, I'm rolling to the wall.
Stand With Fight 131200:00:31
Um, all right, well, that's it for today.
Uh, we hope that you guys found this episode helpful.
We wanted to shine a light.
We've got friends and pastors and Uh, guys in California, not California, but Colorado who are doing their best, and so we wanted to do what we could do by simply exposure and making more people aware.
So, we went through 1312.com is a website that they set up Fight 1312, Fight 1312.com.
That's a great website to find pastors and others who are making a stand.
Awesome, thanks for tuning in, and we'll see you guys on Friday.