JD Vance, Peter Thiel, and Palantir are scrutinized as architects of a fifth-generation warfare strategy using AI surveillance to suppress dissent. The hosts argue Thiel bankrolled Vance's $340M-debt-ridden rise to weaponize data analytics against Christian nationalists, rendering Second Amendment protections useless against state-sponsored drone warfare and algorithmic isolation. Ultimately, trusting this opaque plan threatens American sovereignty, urging listeners to prepare financially and technically for a potential three-year window before Vance assumes power. [Automatically generated summary]
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Winning the War of Information00:04:18
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First generation warfare is fought with sticks and stones, brute force.
Kinetic damage, and a show of force.
But second and third generation warfare is fought with attrition, logistics, blitzkrieg, and disruption.
In Afghanistan and Iraq, we fought fourth generation warfare, insurgency, terrorism, and psychological operations.
With each successive generation, the lines between combatants and non combatants begin to blur.
Direct attrition becomes rarer, and tricks of deception and misdirection become all the more important.
Today, we are in a fifth generation war, a war of information.
Cybernetic tools such as AI, analytics, and information systems manipulate narratives, public perception, and so discord.
The line between the real and the artificial blurs, and entire battles are won without kinetic force.
Information is the new oil, and the battlefield is everywhere and anywhere.
Imagine if you viewed the ascendant right.
From mainstream figures such as Orr McIntyre and Candace Owens, all the way to the outskirts of guys like Nick Fuentes or Dan Blitzarian, as an existential threat to your democratic project, you need to get ahead of it and fast.
But the censorship that you enjoyed during COVID is pretty much done with thanks to Elon Musk and their narratives and cause are picking up steam.
You could attempt to run containment manually.
And hire thousands of thousands of agents to identify threats and shut them down.
But if the IRS's track record is any indication, it's a tough job even hunting down unpaid taxes, despite a $14 billion budget and 33 district offices.
You need something better, something faster, and more discreet.
But if we are in this fifth generation warfare, then how about a private company focused on deep analytics and intelligence?
Augmentation and say this company hypothetically had existing contracts with the CIA, DHS, NSA, the FBI, and a dozen other government agencies going back over a decade.
And all the better if this hypothetical company was founded by an ostensibly right wing billionaire who personally bankrolled high profile politicians now ascending into the highest positions of political office in the land.
Now, the reality is that none of this is actually hypothetical.
The company that I'm describing is known as Palantir, named for the Seamstone in Tolkien's Lord of the Rings.
It was founded by the billionaire Peter Thiel, the founder of PayPal.
Thiel made JD Vance a household name through mentorship, his short venture capital career, and over $15 million invested in his Senate campaign.
Thiel no longer runs Palantir.
Instead, eccentric co founder and CEO Alex Karp has turned it into a deadly tool in the Middle East and Europe for anti terrorism efforts.
Palantir uses massive amounts of data to find pre crime via patterns, surveillance, and artificial intelligence.
So today, we are diving into all of these important relationships between JD Vance, Peter Thiel, Ohio Governor potentially Vivek Ramaswamy, and the MAGA Coalition.
Thiel's Millions for Vance00:14:43
Can we still trust the plan?
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You're not going to want to miss this episode.
Welcome, welcome.
We're so back.
What do we say?
And yet, I think it's so over.
It's over.
It's so over.
We're so back in terms of podcasting right now with this episode, but in the macro picture, it's so over.
And trusting the plan, here's the deal.
We've said this for a while.
We were pro Trump in his campaign, in the election.
We were not shy about that.
We were not quiet about that because the alternative was Kamala Harris, who is also a Zionist shill, and Trump is a Zionist shill.
We have to be honest about that.
Let's just.
Let's just be honest.
I am grateful for many of the executive orders.
I'm grateful for a lot of things that Trump has done, right?
I mean, there were people praying outside of abortion mills that are now out of prison.
That's a positive development.
Yeah, there are dozens of us.
No, but those dozens matter.
I mean, that matters when you have women with cancer in their 70s who are literally going to die in jail apart from their husbands and Trump brought them home.
All the J6ers.
Yep.
I mean, all of them, too.
All of them.
We have personal friends.
Who had a five year sentence, who are now released, or maybe they were, you know, stay at home.
They weren't in jail, but they had this sentence hanging over their head, completely inhibiting their ability to provide for their families, all these things.
And Trump put an end to that.
But at the same time, we do need to be honest.
Right now, he is on path to deport half of as many people as Obama deported.
To be fair, on those deportations, a lot of that was.
Turnaways, the way they kind of counted it to frame Obama as tough on immigration, tough on border, but still practically speaking, there are millions and millions of turnovers, and Trump's numbers won't even equal those that Obama turned away.
Not even close.
He needs to deport 30 to 40 million people, and he's on track for what, like 2 million, maybe?
We'd be lucky, I think, if we get that.
We'd be lucky.
So we just need to be honest about these things.
We're grateful for Trump.
We absolutely think that Trump is better than the alternative.
But if you're just sitting here, trust the plan, he's playing 40 chess.
Then you are going to end up with so many I fell for it again badges stuck to your chest, your forehead, that you're not even going to be able to see through to see the light of day.
We need to be honest.
We're grateful for Trump.
I voted for Trump.
I don't regret that vote.
But the world that he's working toward is a world that, if it's successful, I'm not even saying he personally is working, but the guys that he has surrounding him, the world that they're working for, Palantir, these guys, Alex Cardinals, and especially JD Vance as the younger, seen as successor.
Right.
Seen as a successor.
I like JD Vance.
I love having the vice president tweeting from the White House about the order of morals.
These are positive developments.
We're grateful for that.
But we need to be honest that JD Vance is bankrolled by Peter Thiel, who is a gay Jew.
He's not Jewish, actually, but he is a gay man.
We'll see.
Spiritually.
Spiritually, he's Jewish.
But he's not.
We're talking about your MAGA conservatives who are not conservative by any standard that would have existed.
Even just 20, 30 years ago, and who are working on facial recognition and all these kinds of things.
If you ever watched, you know, with Tom Cruise, the Minority Report, where they're trying to stop crime before it takes place, but the big ethical question is would this crime have even taken place?
Are we arresting innocent people?
The anti Semitism laws against anti Semitism, all these things, these are massively concerning for anybody who is a true blue, red blooded, America first Christian patriot.
And if you don't see this as a looming threat, then you're naive.
Yeah.
So, Wes?
Yeah, the big takeaway from this, so I'm not going to come out here.
I mean, we did an election live stream.
We were cheering.
We were excited about it.
This is not us coming out here about five, six months since that election going, wait, wait, wait.
We came across new information.
It was all bogus.
We rescind our support.
That's not what we're saying.
We're simply saying there was a fight then, and there really was, and a fight that was years long.
But now a new fight has come, and we're defining a new future.
So we took that way, we took that route.
But now, within and again, we have a set of choices laid out.
And really, in this case, it's not even us, but it's the man, JD Vance.
JD Vance's story, whether he likes it or not, is going to be the story of America in 2030.
What route does he take?
Who does he feel the greatest allegiance to?
Just to give a little bit like a teaser ahead of it, a big one is going to be India.
India as an ascendant superpower, India with a lot of personnel that can be imported for our purposes, for work and for visas and for manpower and everything like that.
Displacing our own native people.
But he's married to a woman who is Indian who seems wonderful.
I'm sure she's a wonderful person.
But his kids are half American and half Indian.
And so even in decisions relating to India, That literally some of that relates to the grandchildren, the cousins, the relatives of JD Vance's own children.
So JD Vance stands at a crossroads.
The men who bankrolled him, the men who made him who he is, their interests, their goals, their aspirations.
Am I loyal to Peter Steele and Palantir, or am I loyal to the American people?
Am I loyal to my in laws?
That's tough.
Am I loyal to my in laws and to my children's cousins, or am I loyal to the American people?
And if we don't recognize these, these, Difficulties and challenges that he's going to be facing, then again, we're just being naive just to say, oh my goodness, you guys are conspiracy theorists.
Well, for one, the conspiracy theorists are batting it like a thousand percent right now.
So let's show a little respect that has been rightfully earned by the conspiracists over the last five years.
And then number two, again, we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
So we're not sitting here saying, oh man, this is actually even worse.
We should have voted for Kamala.
No.
If Kamala had been elected, then we would have 30, 40, 50 million more immigrants into the country, and we would never stand a chance at winning.
Plus, all the problems we're about to describe of JD Vance.
Plus, all the problems.
So, this set of problems that maybe we could deal with, and it'd be easier.
All the problems we're saying here compounded with another 30 to 40 million people.
Correct.
Correct.
So, it's both and.
It's not either or.
Trump, a Trump victory, gave it staved off a little bit of the threat temporarily.
Trump is not the savior.
He does not solve the problem.
It just bought us a little bit of time for us to maybe, maybe have a fighting chance.
Whereas Kamala, it would have been over right there.
So that is a cohesive, consistent view of things.
So we're saying Trump winning the election was the best outcome that we could hope for.
And we're happy for it.
And now the work begins.
There's still a lot more work to be done.
Yes.
So let's run through JD Vance as a biography.
So, probably a lot of you read, or at the very least, you watched.
Hillbilly elegy.
I read the book.
I enjoyed it very much.
But JD Vance is not that old.
So JD Vance is 40 years old.
He's from Ohio, which I mean, already right there.
Red flags.
You should be, I don't know, Ohio.
But he's from Ohio and he grew up very, very, very poor.
So he's a classic son of the Hillbilly, the Appalachians, the Hill People, an old Irish Scots descent, a hardy people, but a bit of a low class brawler people.
And his ascendance to fame, we don't look at it, and we're about to play a clip kind of describing some of his professional career.
But it's very interesting because he just arrives on the scene.
This is not a guy that in high school and through college and law school and the early parts of his career that was all ascendant during that time that had been building a name for himself for decades.
This is a guy that nobody knew about five years ago.
Now, to be fair, Joel, nobody knew your name, most certainly not my name five years ago.
None of that is inherently bad.
But when you start to look at money involved, we talk about information warfare.
When you look at money and you look at narratives, when you put those pieces together, you begin to say, is what's being hoisted upon me, is what's being put on me?
Is this something organic?
Is this a guy that genuinely has all of these attributes?
And so I'm supporting him.
Or is this something maybe that somebody wanted, somebody was willing to pay for, something with power, somebody with power was putting there?
So JD Vance grows up very poor, who joins the Marine Corps.
He did not, he was not an infantryman, nor I don't think he's ever publicly made the claim, but he was elementary.
He's not like Tim Walz.
He's not like, it's not stolen ballot.
Nope, nope.
So he didn't claim to be in combat.
Nope, he didn't.
He was basically on the press side of things.
So there's Marines that work on photography, that work on media.
That's where he worked at.
It's a pretty chill job.
He was a Marine.
I'm a Marine, Semper Fi, that's great.
But I mean, this is nothing, again, like that he was a lieutenant, that he was an officer, that he was distinguished in combat.
So he does a career, a short stint, and the military and the Marines served honorably, gets out and goes to law school.
From law school, he then goes on and he works at just a handful of venture capital firms.
Now, venture capital is not easy to get into.
Venture capital is not something you know you trip out, I stumbled, $170,000 salary annually.
Venture capital is very hard to break into.
If you'd have to do Work in investment banking or work in type of consulting and use that.
Typically, what guys will have to do is work in those things and then use that as a springboard or have connections from the media.
Or have connections.
It's just you don't break into it easy.
But during law school, JD Vance makes a connection to Peter Thiel.
Let's go ahead and play this news clip, Nate.
I just want to hear from someone else really describing then what kind of became of his venture capital career.
JD Vance made his name in VC.
That's venture capitalism.
He says he launched businesses specifically to help families like his back home.
But those who knew him say his career wasn't much to write home about.
Vance spent less than five years as a venture capitalist in Silicon Valley, moving between three different firms and pouring money into one big investment, a company that went bankrupt.
In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, one former colleague who worked with Vance during his stint at a firm owned by Peter Thiel, his big political backer, claims they never even saw Vance in the office.
But he has leaned into this part of his bio on the campaign trail, the successful venture capitalist.
And tonight, he returned to Silicon Valley for a fundraiser at the private home of a cryptocurrency executive.
Joining me now to discuss Teddy Schleifer, who covers campaign finance for the New York Times, and Brian Schwartz, CNBC political finance reporter.
Brian, here's the thing less than five years, not even as a venture capitalist, just working in the industry, okay?
He did not have some big baller VC career, we're talking about.
So, what is this success story that should make him worthy?
Of being our vice president, right?
He didn't have a big booming business career.
He didn't have a long political career.
So, what's he selling us?
Well, I mean, what he's selling you is that short lived career, and he's being able to take that story and leverage that for relationships that have been helping him his political career for years.
You talk about Peter Thiel.
This is somebody who put millions of dollars behind his run for Senate.
You know, Thiel also put money behind, you know, Blake Masters when he went up against Mark Kelly and lost.
But, you know, JD Vance was his guy and continues to be his guy in a way.
And so, however, how many years he's been doing this, and I know that I've read the journal story, and I think I mentioned, as you said, that somebody who talked to the journal said he didn't even see Vance in the office when he worked at the firm that Theo founded.
I mean, so at the end of the day, however long he was there, how much time he might have been working, how much time he was working as a venture capitalist, he's been able to leverage those relationships.
And I think that's also the reason why he's in Silicon Valley tonight, Stephanie.
And that's the question why.
If he didn't have some big, giant, successful career, why exactly is he able?
To leverage those relationships, what do those people know about him?
What can they control in him that they can get?
Teddy, you've written a lot about this.
And one of the companies he founded, APP Harvest, was sued by its investors just months after Vance left the board because he was running for Senate.
And they sued the company because they claimed they were misled.
That company went bankrupt last year.
Very successful.
So, 2013, he graduates from law school.
2016, he writes Hillbilly Elegy.
It's 2017 to about 2021.
That he runs this app or runs this business, $340 million in debt is what they ended with and went bankrupt.
So, this is after he leaves the board.
He goes on to serve as senator.
But all through this time, this is just objective information.
This is well documented.
And none of this necessarily like to be, you know, it's not a moral sin to fail to start a company.
It happens.
Like none of this is just people fail.
He's dumb.
Why couldn't he do that?
But usually people don't fail upwards.
So, we're not saying he's a bad guy or immoral because he wasn't successful as a VC.
But what we are saying is, how come a particularly ungifted VC who fails to that magnitude and doesn't have really any success in that realm?
I don't know about you, but I've never failed to the tune of, I don't know, $340 million in debt.
It's quite a failure.
Yeah.
So what we're saying is not like, oh, he did this thing and it's terribly immoral.
We're not saying that he even ripped these people off or that he knew that something was going to happen and the whole thing was a sham.
We're not calling him, you know, for instance, I'll put it into perspective.
We're not saying that JD Vance is the same as Vivek Ramaswamy.
Right.
Vivek Ramaswamy, quite literally, him and his family has ripped people off pharmaceuticals.
He bought a drug, an Alzheimer's drug that he knew.
Because what happens is these molecules are successful.
Is JD Vance Immoral00:15:22
Exactly.
These molecules, what will happen with them is you'll try them out and people will try them for different things.
They have very little promise.
You pick one up for a million dollars.
And what you're hoping for is that you get something and it's somehow like in a clinical trial, early phase is a breakout.
It's like boom, you get great valuation.
You're hoping for a lot of packets of Pokemon cards and you're hoping for that Charizard, you know, like, But imagine you took that card and you knew it was junk, but you hyped it up, I don't know, with your mom.
Imagine this stuff like you opened the packet, you looked inside, you knew that it was a bunch of Pikachu's, you know, a bunch of junk.
A bunch of junk.
And then you sealed the package back up and then you started selling it at a premium.
Well, that's what he did.
That's how he made millions of dollars on a failed biotech.
And now we can't get him out of public life.
I literally just scammed his way.
Scammed his way.
Probably to governor of Ohio.
Probably going to win, which is that just again just shows you the people of their election this year.
Is it this year?
Yeah, yeah, uh, yeah.
So, anyway, so Ohio's not doing great.
Um, and Vivek is and hold on to Vivek in your mind, Ohio, Vivek, all that.
So, Vivek is a criminal.
I mean, he's he's selling you know snake oil, and so, uh, so he really is, um, bad news.
Let's let's be charitable.
In the case of JD Vance, uh, he he's doing his job, he's not being explicitly, but to be fair, people at the capital firm are good at it.
They're saying, like, we didn't even see him at the office, right.
Okay, so maybe he's not doing his job.
Who knows what he was doing at this point?
He just kind of sucks at his job.
At worst, as far as we can tell, at worst, he's lazy and is just not doing the job.
And that's why it fails.
It still puts him in a separate, completely distinct category from Vivek, who actually did his job really well, but his job was to scam people and to rip them off.
Not meeting any stereotypes there.
Yeah, not helping the stereotype for his people, which is not Americans.
So, all that being said, JD, we're not putting him in that category, but this is what we're getting at.
This is the question that we're raising people fail all the time, and it doesn't make them criminals.
It doesn't make them immoral.
Sometimes people just aren't particularly good at something.
They try something out and they fail.
But it's usually worth a second glance when someone fails and is not just partially, but immensely rewarded.
That their failure is immensely rewarded with, I don't know, opportunity like a senator.
And then that gets rewarded further into vice president, especially in the case of JD Vance, who was, I mean, on record, a never trumper.
Yeah.
So it's not like he was loyal from the beginning.
Like people get upset about Paula White.
Paula White is a heretic, right?
Nobody's disputing that.
And I don't want a word of faith, prosperity gospel peddler heretic and a woman to boot who's the head of some faith program for the White House.
So, no, I don't like that.
But this is what I will say about Paula White.
When you're wondering, well, how come Paula White has this opportunity and not this reform minister, you know, Paula White?
Well, because the reform minister that you wish was in that position has been counter signaling Trump for the last eight years.
Whereas Paula White, what I can say of her is she was loyal, not loyal to the Lord Jesus Christ and sound doctrine from the Word of God, unfortunately, but she was a loyal Trump supporter from the beginning.
So, and what does Trump do?
Well, I mean, we kind of know this about Trump at this point.
Trump is loyal to those who are loyal to him.
If you don't like Trump, Trump doesn't like you.
If you like Trump, Trump likes you.
But in the case of JD Vance, it's not like Paula White.
JD Vance was not this long time Trump supporter that from the beginning could see the right.
He was a neocon through like the 2010s.
There's articles we have from him.
Yeah, Trump, Trump.
He's nothing special.
Vance was not sitting there, you know, as Trump's going down the golden escalator and he was a true believer from the beginning.
That's not who Vance is.
So, nor was he based.
It wasn't like, I don't like Trump because I'm more based than him.
Correct.
He was a neocon, just average run of the mill.
Somebody fails as a VC, gets rewarded with senator, and then is a never trumper neocon.
Who all of a sudden is able to rebrand and is in Trump's good graces.
For the record, there are four people serving in Trump's administration currently, one of them a cabinet member, who were never Trumpers before.
So, this Trump does have a bit of an effect on people.
It seems like he is loyal to the people that are loyal to him, but he also likes turning people who are opposed to him to his side.
Trump is too forgiving sometimes.
Well, I don't know.
It might be forgiving, but it's also kind of a.
I turned this guy and now he's part of my.
Well, it's funny you mentioned that.
Because in 2021, Vance and Trump meet and smooth things over, and then comes the Senate run.
So he fails upwards, fails upwards, fails upwards.
This book, Hillbilly Elegy, it is a well written book.
It's an engaging book.
It's a wonderful memoir.
How organic its success is, who knows?
Like schemes to buy books, because venture capital is not going to make you a made man nationally with the knowledge and the name recognition.
Even a sign from the book.
What's particularly suspicious is net.
Picking it up and doing a movie.
So, like, it's like, since when does Netflix want people to think fondly of flyover American hillbellies?
Like, of, you know, predominantly white.
I was about to say, if they're black hillbillies, we might have something like that.
Exactly.
Like, if Netflix picked up a series and was like, we want to show you how wonderful the people of Atlanta are.
Oh, I could see, you know, Netflix doing a film on that.
I could see them doing several.
But we want to show you how Appalachia is just a crown jewel of America and a story of rags to riches.
And in a way that, even positively, in many ways, kind of in an endearing fashion, kind of seeks to redeem the mom, you know, and, you know, and like she did the best she could and she.
Came around, there's redemption at the end of the story.
Like, it's one thing for Vance to write it, and maybe, maybe it's just organically successful.
It was partly ghostwritten for sure.
Okay.
So he has helped writing books, are though, at that level.
But it's another thing for it to be picked up by woke Netflix.
To be wildly successful, bestseller, and then.
And then to be picked up and become wildly successful in a way that gets people to positively think about the heartland of America.
That doesn't seem like Netflix MO.
But is there something behind the scenes?
Like, Putting a little bit of pressure or giving a little bit of money or these kinds of things so that there's an incentive.
And that's the question that we're raising today.
We're not saying definitively, oh, yeah, the call went out.
You need to make a documentary.
You need to make a movie about this guy.
But we're saying as all these pieces line up, there's tons and tons of people, tons of lawyers, tons of venture capitalists, tons of authors for sure.
None of them, even with much greater success, much greater ability, attained to then being eligible for starting and running a successful Senate campaign.
This is in 2020.
22.
The largest donation to date in any U.S. Senate campaign stands as Peter Thiel's $15 million.
And it was a close Senate race in Ohio.
So, by the skin of his teeth, with that $15 million from Peter Thiel, this is just guys, this is three years ago.
Right.
Like, this is not like 10 years ago he entered the Senate.
He's been working hard since then.
We're talking like one term.
Organic one term.
Over the course of a decade and a half.
That's not what we're saying.
Nope.
So then he gets onto Trump's shortlist and to give Credit to his abilities.
JD is a great speaker.
He is.
Like he did really well in the debate.
He was really sharp.
We were watching it together.
He did a great job.
I think he reads and listens to a lot of our guys.
Obviously, some of them, like Curtis Yarvin, they're not our guys, but on the right, on X.
So he listens to a lot of our guys.
He's familiar with the talking points.
He's a great speaker and a good politician.
But what we want to get across is that you need to start having some suspicion when you see people like this.
I didn't know who he was three years ago.
Oh, millions and millions of dollars helped make him hear.
And he's never been successful there, successful there, successful there.
And now he's literally a heartbeat away from the presidency.
And we don't know much about this guy.
And he hasn't proven himself.
There's no decade we can look at, there's no thing that we can see that he built.
We've got a book, which, as you mentioned, Michael, it's partially ghostwritten.
That happens a lot.
Like we've got a book, we've got a Netflix special, we've got losing money.
And we're at the second most powerful position in the world.
Like at least Trump, you can point to his towers, you can point to his casinos, you can point to an immense amount of wealth, a 60 year track record.
And he was in the public arena for decades.
Everybody knew who Trump was.
A life better than Killy Rand.
But in the case of JD Vance, it's the connection with Peter Thiel that's massively concerning.
But in addition to that, also his wife, who, again, we don't have anything against his wife.
She really does seem like a wonderful woman.
But there is going to be some element of natural affections towards her family, you know, and that's outside of America.
It's hard to be America first when you marry an immigrant and they have still family members who live in another country.
It's just hard.
It is.
And you see his kids, even he took a visit recently to visit the prime minister.
And the prime minister dresses them up.
And they're dressed like that.
And now, again, they have family and relatives there.
So, in the sense of natural affections, you can understand that sense of not maybe loyalty is not the right word, but like this is somewhat of their lineage, of their legacy.
So, that's not picking on his kids and dragging them in and picking on them for that.
But it's the dynamic that you have to be aware of as he is literally front runner for President of the United States in less than three years from now.
Yeah, it's a big deal.
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So, Peter Thiel, we've hit on that connection a ton.
Peter Thiel, Peter Thiel, what's the deal?
Why is this guy so scary?
That's right.
Peter Thiel is actually, it's funny enough, he is a gay man, and that's always going to color the world.
Allegedly Jewish.
Spiritually Jewish.
Spiritually Jewish, yeah.
No, he actually claims to be an evangelical Christian.
Oh, good.
We would, of course, reject that because he's holding to a lifestyle.
Right.
But he claims to be a Christian, very pro Western values.
But Peter Thiel in 2003 helped co found.
A company called Palantir.
We mentioned them earlier.
Now, to start off with, Palantir, it's very easy for it to become the boogeyman, right?
So it's Palantir, and people attribute all sorts of things, this, that, or the other.
So we want to be careful, and I want to give a disclaimer from the outset that I'm going to do my best to rely on what's objectively out there.
So this is the words of the founders, the words of the company itself, not to really get schizophrenic, right?
Like Charlie and it's always sunny Philadelphia.
I'm like, I'm telling you, here, here, here.
But I'm going to, at the end of the day, there's some speculation of the link.
That's what we're doing.
We're looking into the future and saying we see these things right now.
Here's what they could become.
You need to be forward thinking.
You need to be forward looking.
You need to be anticipating.
If all you're doing is reacting, you are losing.
If all you're doing is reacting, what's happening?
Oh, what's the next play?
What is the enemy going to pull?
I don't know.
No, you need to be looking forward and, if anything, taking initiative.
That's what we're doing right now.
Hey, right now, of course, Palantir is not targeting, well, of course, that we know of.
Palantir is not targeting Christian nationalists and anti Semitism here in the United States with the privacy that the Patriot Act really rolled back, the right to privacy that Americans have.
We don't know, and we don't think that is doing it.
Are you going to explain that targeting thing a little bit?
Are you going to talk about what Palantir does?
Yes.
Because if not, that comes out of left field, what you just said.
Absolutely.
Okay.
So we're not making the claim that that's happening now, but it could.
And there's someone very powerful who is at a certain level, is going to have a certain affinity and favoritism.
Rubber stamp for it.
Towards Palantir.
Name it Jitty Vance.
Towards Palantir.
So you're talking about Jitty Vance very realistically could be the leader of the free world.
And that he would have every incentive you could imagine to either support or, the most charitable explanation we give, at least at minimum, turn a blind eye towards Peter Thiel, Alex Karp, Palantir.
That, as far as we know, public facing, we don't have any definitive proof at this point that Palantir is being used and weaponized in an information warfare, fifth generation warfare against Christian nationalists and anti Semitism.
Here in America with Native Americans.
In Europe, we do.
And I'll get to that in a minute.
In Europe, we do.
So, in other places, that's happening.
Right now, it's geared against terrorism and it's geared against other things in other places.
But the idea that they have the technology and easily could gear that towards American citizens on the right wing, and that they would have their guy that they bankrolled, who is the president of the United States, that's entirely possible to turn a blind eye or even politically support it.
If Christians are not looking at this with some level of suspicion, then again, you're being foolish.
Same thing with the potential governor in Ohio.
That would be very favorable to as you support his campaign and help him to reach that tier.
So, JD Vance, Peter Thiel, the other co founder of Palantir is a man named Alex Karp.
He's a Jewish billionaire, very eccentric guy, not married.
Yeah, I felt it.
Somewhere in there, there's going to be.
I want to play.
This is actually from a recent documentary.
So, he's gotten a lot of flack for all the things we're going to talk about.
And I want you to kind of see some of the hubbub around him as people are saying, what does this software do and what can it do?
Software and Second Amendment Rights00:13:58
Because software does not have the same scaling problems that human.
You know, tracking and targeting does.
At the human level, I was just going to say, let me say this real quick.
You know, this isn't provable, but I think it's a pretty, pretty good working theory.
You know, all the videos that surfaced over the last, you know, couple of years of like lights flashing in the sky and things like that over the ocean or over Montana, you know, these kind of.
If I had to bet, pound of tear.
Just because of the.
I'm not sure you were going to say mermaids.
Because of the.
No.
If it was in the water, maybe.
Although the book of Enoch talks about sirens that, you know, some of them had wings, some of them could fly, so maybe.
But.
But my point is that it's not just software that they're into, but there's a ton of technology with drones that Palantir is directly involved in.
Because the future of warfare is not autonomous.
It's not, we've got to get boots on the ground.
We've got to get machine guns.
The future is drones, the future is information, the future is cybernetics.
So let's play this trailer.
This is literally about Alex Karp, Palantir, everything surrounding him.
The start of Palantir is basically 9 11.
The Pentagon and the CA said.
The terrorists are mad.
So to catch them, we'll open the door just a little bit for the crazy people.
Let some crazy people in.
Do you know who Palantir is?
I do.
Is it actually true that we had to find Osama Bin Laden?
We obviously don't talk about our successes or failures.
This CEO, Alex Karp, he has no scruples.
Alex Karp and Palantir have supported General McMaster on the front line and many of the special operations people in America and around the world.
The firm Palantir is with Abstand the grossest.
If your face is ever on that screen, on the panel of the screen, you're going to be guilty of something.
We're not allowing any media.
We are going to be the most important software company in the world.
We kill people based on metadata.
Our product is used on occasions to kill people.
And now they make a little bit of a film about the film.
So, the product can be used with drone warfare occasionally to kill people while they're sleeping in their beds at night.
It's no big deal, guys.
It's no big deal.
Let's not be, you know, conspiratorial.
No, it is a little bit of a big deal.
And I just wanted to mention this real quick, and then I'm going to hand it right back to Wes because he's done a lot of research on this topic.
And I know he's got a lot of insightful comments that need to be heard.
But as we're airing this episode, it is Monday, May 5th, the year of our Lord 2025, which just so happens to be.
Q1 for 2025, Q1 earnings for the company Palantir.
And I'm going to call it, I haven't looked.
Okay.
So I haven't looked.
So I'm just, this is just straight up concluding right now.
Intuition.
Palantir over the weekend was into, got, you know, rose up to the 120s in terms of their stock price.
They capped out with a lot of the Mag7 and other tech companies during like December, January, and some of them February.
Palantir was February after their Q4 earnings.
Earlier this year and capped out for Palantir, I think the high, all time high, was 125.
And they were as low as like, I think, low 20s in 2024 during like the summer months.
I remember for years people were like, Palantir, it's going to break out.
And it didn't.
And then it didn't.
And I didn't believe them.
And then one day when it broke out, it.
And so Palantir in like the summer of 2024, less than a year ago, was, I think it was like 20 bucks, 18 bucks, you know, got pretty low, you know, maybe $22.
And then soared.
With what is that, like a 6x multiple, all the way up to 125 all time high in February when their Q4 earnings came out.
So, February this year, Q4 for 2024.
And my prediction, I haven't looked at it, but as the earnings call is happening right now, my prediction is that Palantir will soar.
I think it's actually possible that it soars all the way to 140, 150, 160.
I think 160 by perhaps.
Maybe it fades up, you know, that it jumps at earnings to 140 and then fades up to 160 by the end of this week.
But my point is you're talking about massive growth.
So even from just an economic stock standpoint, this is unusual what's happening.
They went public in 2020 and they have a couple different divisions.
So they have stuff that's related to healthcare.
They've been expanding their offerings.
Someone you could look at it and say, like, wait, this doesn't seem like a defense and a counterterrorism project, that it's one wing of it.
The actual CTO, I think the chief technical officer, He was just on Sean Ryan's show the other day explaining, like, because that's where they got their start.
So, in 2003, they formed, get this, they're founded in part with an investment from Intel Q, the CIA Venture Capital Fund.
So, you have the intelligence community from the beginning invested in Palantir, invested in making it a thing.
It becomes a software that they use a ton in the Middle East because what it can do.
Who uses it in the Middle East?
The US uses it in the Middle East.
The US uses it on the ground in the Middle East because here's the problem you can have tons and tons of data.
But you need to be able to interpret it.
And human beings are simply not fast enough to do that.
So, Palantir, they've been in the game of AI and interpretation, not for three years, not since ChatGPT came about.
They've been in the game for over 20 years.
So, they've used on the ground for decades there in the Middle East.
And what they were able to generate was predictive policing.
So, for example, with ISIS especially, they would predict, for example, terrorist attacks.
They would be able to triangulate the data, interpret movements with facial recognition.
Say, we've got these individuals that have been traced to and marked.
And they actually stopped different ISIS attacks on different buildings that they were going to bomb and to blame on Americans and things like that.
More recently, it's been deployed.
Israel's used it for Hamas.
I watched a video where they're talking about how everyone that they identify through facial recognition.
So, they triangulate it.
They have these individuals.
They're assigned a score between one and 100.
That score is based on their likelihood to engage in terrorist activities.
Interesting.
Well, they went to this place that is known to be the home of X, Y, and Z.
They purchased this.
They made a donation to this type of fund.
So, we've got them pegged at an 83, and it literally generates right now, it's generating for the Israeli military kill lists, lists of people that they've triangulated through their software.
Take these guys out.
And then you combine that with a drone.
We've got a facial recognition match, we've got a propensity to terrorism.
Do we make the call?
And all that's autonomous.
None of that is a human being looking through it.
They have a false positive rate, so falsely identifying a risk.
I mean, this is women and children too.
Like, this is identifying does this woman have this peritensity?
Would this kid potentially be a terror bomber, be a suicide bomber?
So, they've got all of this.
This is happening in the Middle East.
This is known.
And then recently, and this is where the connection starts to become to the US.
You have a powerful software.
And I get that you have to do that when you're in a place like the Middle East, where how do you roll in there?
How do you police?
How do you do well?
How do you combat insurgency?
That is one thing, and I don't know how you sort that out.
But then in Europe, Alex Karp is on record bragging that our software stopped the rise of the far right in Europe.
That our software, he says, the reason you're not goose stepping right now, fascism, is because of Palantir.
And so what they've done is they begin to deploy it.
Just today in Germany, the AFD, that's the political party, the alternative for Deutschland.
In Germany, there's not two major political parties like we have here, there's five, and they kind of share coalition governments.
And the AFD has been the ascendant kind of right wing.
Now, literally, the head of it is still, if I remember correctly, a lesbian woman.
Like, we are not talking like this is your base, you know, your base right wing movement, Anon.
No, this is, it's pretty normie right wing.
But even normie right wing.
But by their standards, it's far extremer.
Yeah, by their standards, it's literally Hitler 2.0.
Yeah.
Just today, German intelligence agency targeted them, put them on a list as a terrorist or some type of.
The whole political party.
The whole political party as an organization that could be targeted.
So then you take those types of definitions.
What do you mean they're targeted?
That remains to be seen.
That's exactly the problem with all of it.
We don't know.
And public private partnerships, like the US government couldn't do this because we have freedom of information.
We have the right to privacy from the government.
So you can go and you can request, what files do you have on me?
Freedom of information request.
What about this?
What about that?
And they have to give it to you.
But private companies don't have to do that.
So the government can take a $500 million contract, they can give it over here to a private company.
The private company does all that they do with all the data.
The government, when you ask them, well, what did you do?
What data did you take?
Nothing.
Nothing.
We paid X, Y, and Z for a contract related to this.
They legally don't have to disclose anything.
And that's what fifth generation warfare is.
We're not in a war where we got our guns.
How do guns help you when drones can bomb your entire body?
I think it was early in the Ukraine war where there was that man who was running around a bombed out tank and there was a drone flying above him that was just tracking him.
And he was just trying to hide.
He was trying to get away.
And it just kept seeking him out and seeking him out.
And it got him.
You know, it was kind of a.
A graphic and horrific video, but yeah.
Right.
So we're all like, we're Americans.
We have our guns.
We have our really guns.
That's so important for Americans to realize.
Responsible gun ownership, I think, is vitally important.
And honestly, there's so many reasons.
I wrote this book, Fight by Flight.
There's so many reasons to leave your blue state, especially if you're a husband and a father.
When you think of economic policies, when you think, do I pay state tax?
Does that state, just morally, does that state tax, does a portion of it go to Planned Parenthood?
Am I?
Literally, like, am I literally paying for children to be murdered?
There's all these questions, you know, and then of course, just economically, like the cost of living.
Can I, do I have to put my kids in public school because it requires a two income household, you know, because just the cost of living is far too high?
So there's all these things.
But another one is, you know, in terms of gun ownership, can I protect my family when we're out in public legally?
Like, can I conceal carry?
Those kinds of laws are vitally important with massive moral implications for fathers.
And husbands.
And so there's a ton of reasons to leave blue states, and there's a ton of reasons to be grateful for our Second Amendment rights and to practice them.
But let's be honest, all that protects you from the original intent of the Second Amendment was to protect you from the government.
However, all it protects you from these days, or potentially can protect you from, is just deranged private citizens that would show up on your doorstep of your home and like a home invasion.
You're having a family day at the park, and some crazy person is threatening your wife and threatening your children, and so you're able to protect them.
And so, gun rights matter for that reason.
And it matters enough to where, like I already said, I would consider very carefully where I live based off of gun rights alone, not to mention all the other things that I previously mentioned already.
But when you're talking about protecting yourself and your family from the government, and especially, we're not even talking about that, but with fifth generation warfare, when you're talking about protecting yourself, not even from the government directly, But indirectly through private contracts made with private companies that can glean intel on you and have a whole profile made up on you and also have access to drone warfare.
And your guns aren't going to save you.
And it's important that Americans, not that they then overreact and disparage the Second Amendment rights, because they are important.
But for us to be so foolish and naive to assume that because of the Second Amendment and because we live in a state like Texas and because You have, you know, four ARs, you know, in your home and your shotguns.
Yeah, and you're nine and you're 45 and all these.
To think that, well, this episode doesn't apply to me because I live on land and I have my homes in this beautiful reserve called Ruby Ridge.
It's pristine, beautiful.
The government would never come here.
Yeah, the government will never come here.
We're perfectly fine.
Then you're an idiot.
Right.
You're an idiot.
Go ahead, Michael.
I was just going to say this was a bit of a black pill to me in COVID because all of our talk of Second Amendment.
Did nothing.
Right.
And I'm not saying I was advocating for armed rebellion.
I was just saying the reality was having your gun, having your self defense, and then your concealed carry and all that, it did nothing against what they were using during COVID to control us.
That's right.
And I don't think the claim we're not making is we are a hop skipping away from JD Vance locking into the control center and sending down drone strikes because you criticize Israel online.
So that's not necessarily the claim, but you have a relationship with Peter Thiel.
You have Alex Karp, you have Palantir, you have the software, you have the experience, and these guys are saying, We stopped the rise of the far right in Europe.
We're the reason that fascism didn't come back.
It's been deleted now, but a number of different individuals have referenced it.
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And it's kind of interesting.
It's been deleted because this is the kind of thing that Palantir works on.
Even archives, I tried to pull them and it wouldn't pull up the tweets.
But I think there was at one point, Alex Karp said, My greatest fear is that Christian nationalists take me and throw me out of a window.
Like, this is the thing that's going to happen to me.
This is what I'm worried about.
This is the CEO.
Of Palantir.
Right.
Like this is the dynamic.
I'll get into here in this last segment some of the ways it can apply and what we're looking at.
But it's not here yet that we know of today.
Palantir is still small.
It's not this be all, end all.
What is it in Mission Impossible?
God's Eye?
Yeah.
Yes.
Something like that.
This isn't God's eye yet, but it could be.
But speaking of that, I was thinking about this because I've been thinking a lot about the interview that Tucker did with Catherine Fitz about the control nodes and everything that's underground bunkers, everything that's being built to basically control people without them realizing that they're being controlled.
And I just think it's interesting how many of the plots of Mission Impossible or James Bond type movies you're kind of like, it seems like what's actually going on.
Right.
You know?
Absolutely.
Yep.
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So, to land the plan, what would it practically look like?
Let's take, for example, the Christ is King report from the NCRI, the National Contagion Research Institute.
It's a partnership with a couple other groups.
Take a report like that, and it says, We've done deep analytics and we've tied this phrase to extremist activity.
Then, what you could do is you could take Covenant Bible Church, for example.
We live stream our services, our church, and you could look at the website and you could look at the live stream.
And through facial recognition, you could pull out, hey, we've got about 45 different guys.
And you take that and you go to somewhere like LinkedIn, you say.
You say, we've done deep analytic work.
We're working to identify extremism.
It's best if this would be paired with a false flag, for example, a bombing or a shooting.
So we have this movement and these guys, so and so, they carried out a bombing, they carried out something terrible.
And we've identified just a handful of individuals and we're handing over this data to Facebook.
We're handing over this data to LinkedIn, it's Palantir.
We're handing over this data to these job boards.
Just for you to be able to take these individuals and make sure that they're not able to use your services.
We're not throwing them in jail.
We're not charging them.
We're not harming their families.
We've identified extremists and we've done this deep data analytics work.
We've got some names, we've got some social security numbers for you.
And then, guess what?
You have thousands and thousands of Christian men that are unable to hold jobs, men that are unable then, because in the digital sphere, and we experienced this with COVID, they can shut your voice down.
Yes.
At the end of the day, the platforms we're on, they could shut our voice down.
And your guns do nothing.
Your guns do nothing.
Gab, love it, but like it's tough.
To actually get traction there for your message on some of these alternative ones.
That's how you destroy an ascendant, growing right wing movement.
And we know the founders, the CEO of this company, for one, close relationship to the vice president, potentially the future president, an IOU of, say, $15 million, his entire career in the back pocket.
Hey, we've got some trouble.
We've got this anti Semitism on the rise.
We don't want to violate their rights as Americans.
We just want to take some of these different platforms that are connecting them and fostering.
Look at this report, look at this deep data, fostering extremism.
And we just want to make sure this message doesn't get out.
They held a Christ is King conference.
They held a Christ is King conference.
And here's everyone who's attended.
Exactly.
And we saw we were able to hack into their registration and get names of everybody who attended that conference.
Or even without it, all the pictures that people posted.
We've identified pictures and then Palantir facial recognition.
Boom.
We've got names, we've got social security numbers, and every single one of these people we're now going to.
Go in on X, we're going to go in on Facebook, LinkedIn, all those kinds of things.
We're going to make them unemployable.
We're going to make them to where the algorithm's now suppressing their free speech.
We won't get them kicked off of the platform, but we'll just make sure that they're secluded into perpetual isolation.
Nobody sees their tweets, nobody sees their posts.
This is real.
Don't forget, nobody will bank you.
This happened to tons of guys.
Don't forget the trucker protests and those who donated to them.
This sort of thing has not, I'm not saying that was Palantir.
I'm saying this sort of thing.
Already has happened in our very recent past.
And none of it is illegal.
Nothing is illegal about Palantir going to LinkedIn and saying, don't give this man a job.
Nothing is illegal about X taking you offline.
Like none of this is illegal.
And so don't despair, don't black pill, but we need to pray and you need to be working.
So praying for JD Vance.
He is the man with the choice in front of him.
And I think the two paths will become clear as time goes on.
Pray for him to have an endeared heart.
Toward the Americans that he is the vice president of, that he represents, that even when he disagrees with them, and there's good signs, like getting that kid rehired at Doge, I think there's good signs that there's a war within him, but that his allegiance would be to the people and to say, even when I disagree with them severely, no, Peter, no, Alex, this is a step too far.
They have a right.
You can't do this.
They have a right.
They have a voice.
They have a right.
They have constitutional rights afforded to them.
So pray, but then you have to build to be secure.
Not in 15 years, three.
That's the thing.
And that's the last thing we want to leave you with we don't want you to despair.
We don't want you to be discouraged, but we do want you to feel a sense of urgency, not fear.
Be anxious for nothing, but with prayer and supplication, make your requests known to God.
So pray first, but don't just pray.
Pray and work.
And you need to work like a madman.
You need to work with fire under your feet, with an unstoppable sense, not of fear, but of urgency.
You have three years.
You have three years to fortify your family.
You need to be working in such a way.
That you are able to store up reserves of wealth, of cash, of food, of these kinds of things.
Putting jammers on your list, commercially available electromagnetic jammers for drones and stuff.
Can I ask this question?
If it's Vance who is potentially connected with Palantir, why are we saying three years?
Because in three years, he'll be president.
He'll just have more influence than he does now as the vice president.
Yeah.
And then also just Vivek as governor.
So the thought is that Palantir would also build bigger facilities there in Ohio.
So they bankroll.
But you don't think Trump is sympathetic to them?
I think he's too busy.
Not at the same level.
No, I don't think they have claws in Trump at the same level that they do with Vance, even though, and just again, hear us, we're not trying to be unhinged here.
We're trying to paint a full picture, a reasonable picture.
We like Vance in some ways even more than we like Trump.
Yeah.
Trump was not posting about the Ordo Amoris, although he was Napoleon posting, and I appreciate that.
I love that.
Gotta love that.
But, like, in terms of, if we're just saying in terms of like historic Christian doctrine, Trump's primary faith advisor is Paula White.
And a rabbi has been added to the faith council.
Don't love it.
Of course.
Whereas JD Vance, on the other hand, I have no doubt if I was sitting down with Trump and JD Vance right now and we're just talking theology, Vance would be able to track and Trump would be, you know, what are you talking about?
Right.
You know, so Vance is, you know, theologically, he is the superior.
And I think he has more ties to Christian faith than Trump does.
And so in many ways, we're grateful for Vance.
And in many ways, he is our guy.
He's reading posts from guys on the ascendant right, guys in our camp.
He's even responding and retweeting at times.
So, in many ways, he is our guy.
The problem is that there are other people who are not our guys, like Peter Thiel, like Alex Karp, and like the entire country of India, that he is beholden to.
Potentially beholden.
He doesn't have to be.
He can always just say, take a hike.
He could just do the right thing.
He could have the fortitude and the courage and the grit.
To simply say no.
But we're just recognizing the pressure is immense.
The pressure is immense.
And to just assume that he's just going to do the right thing and tell all these people, very powerful people, to take a hike would be naive on our part.
So let's pray that he does the right thing.
But in the meantime, in addition to our prayer, let's work as though he's going to do the wrong thing.
Yep.
Amen.
So work hard, work in faith, but don't be naive.
Trust the plan.
It's all working out.
It's all going good.
It might not be.
And the fight that has to happen is out of MAGA.
Out of the coalition that elected Trump, a true right wing, we would call it nationalist, Christian nationalist movement, has to come out of that.
There's no forming a new third party, there's not an alternative.
Out of the right wing that currently exists, there has to come a strong Christian nationalist patriarchal movement.
So led by men, not by women.
Something has to come out of there soon.
And it needs to be sending people up in Congress.
It needs to be sending people as advisors to the president, the vice president, people that are influential.
That we have just, the clock is running out for that to emerge.
And if it doesn't, they will take us because we are too small.
They will sequester us, quarantine, and crush.
Yep.
That's fifth generation warfare.
It's the Anakin and Padme meme, where, you know, you've got Anakin, and that's in this equation, that would be us.
And we're saying to Padme, and that's your, you know, MAGA hats on, you know, the Fel Fort patches, you know, across the chest.
And we're saying, Trump is playing 40 chess.
And she's like, yeah, like we're going to have a Christian nation.
You're like, no, the 40 chess is playing 40 chess.
The 40 chess that he might be playing is the 40 chess of.
Of Kingmaker for Vance and then Vance selling us out, and then all of a sudden the Christian nationalists are in jail.
That, that, so, H1Bs.
So, we're not doubting 40 chess.
We're just saying 40 chess is a.
I still doubt the 40 chess.
It's a two way, 40 chess is a two way street.
It could be 40 chess for our benefit, or it could be 40 chess for, oh no, my goodness, what just happened.
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