Donald Trump's attempt to dismantle the 1979 Department of Education faces legal hurdles, yet hosts Joel Osteen and Michael argue it has failed since Jimmy Carter's creation, citing plummeting literacy where 54% of adults read below sixth grade. They contrast modern bureaucracy with historical Christian education successes, noting New York spends $33,000 per student for abysmal results driven by bloated administration. The discussion predicts a future shift toward male-led sovereignty, anti-immigration policies, and an "America First" stance critical of AIPAC influence, asserting that dismantling federal overreach is essential to restoring biblical principles and local community responsibility over foreign legislative subversion. [Automatically generated summary]
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Take Back Education00:03:47
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Christian education stood as a pillar of Western civilization.
The Puritans, the Reformers, the Founding Fathers, they all understood that education was more than the transmission of knowledge.
It was about forming souls, shaping virtue, and training minds to discern truth from falsehood.
Harvard's original mission statement put it plainly Let every student be plainly instructed to know God and Jesus Christ, which is eternal life, and therefore to lay Christ in the bottom as the only foundation of all sound knowledge.
And learning.
Education wasn't only about making a living, it was preparing individual souls for earthly and heavenly good, and it was intended to preserve the soul of a nation.
Fast forward to today America's public schools are a dumpster fire.
The Federal Department of Education, founded in 1979 as a political payoff to the teachers' unions, has failed in every possible way.
Literacy and math scores are plummeting.
Civics education is non existent, and instead of teaching students how to think, the public school system indoctrinates them with radical gender ideology, radical grievance politics, and historical ignorance.
We are producing a generation that cannot read, cannot reason, and does not love their own country or their heritage.
Donald Trump is right.
The Department of Education needs to go, not just defunded, not just restructured, but absolutely.
Abolished.
It has no constitutional mandate, no biblical legitimacy, and no moral authority to dictate what children should be taught.
The only path forward is the one laid out in scripture and history.
Parents taking responsibility, churches stepping up, and local communities reclaiming education from the clutches of federal bureaucrats.
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Today, we're going to expose the failures of the modern education system, trace the rich history of Christian education, and plot a course for the future.
Because the answer is not more government intervention, it's a return to biblical principles and local control.
It's time to take back education.
So let's get into it.
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Singles Event Announcement00:02:42
That'll be picking up the very first Friday of April.
We're in between season one, just ended with myself and Pastor Andrew Isker, a nine part series on all things pertaining to the nation state of Israel.
And we're picking up season two on the first Friday of April with myself and Dr. Stephen Wolf on all things related to Christian nationalism.
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We are hoping to fill up our singles event, and finding godly Christian single women has been, well, I'll just say, much more difficult than finding godly Christian single men.
And the statistics bear that out.
We actually talked about that even just last week, that not just in our country, but around the world.
You see it in the UK, multiple different countries.
There is a phenomenon that's happening where women are trending more liberal and men are trending more conservative.
Many young conservative Christian men are returning to church, and we're very happy about that.
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Federal Funding Threats00:10:00
Okay, Department of Education, let's get it destroyed.
Michael, lead us off.
Well, thanks, Joel.
Excited for this topic.
I work in education and I work in Christian education.
And the reason that we're talking about this right now is because while it's been a talking point for a while, that MAGA, Trump, Project 2025 would seek to abolish the Department of Education.
Some events have happened this week that while the Department of Education is not officially being abolished, he did tell everyone to go home.
Likely Doge is in there today doing their work.
And then the word came out yesterday that they are going to be firing at least half of the Department of Education employees.
Now, this is a little bit trickier than just Trump waving a magic wand and abolishing the department.
This probably would require an act of Congress to completely get rid of the entire Department of Education.
In its current iteration, this was signed into law, so it's split from Health and Human Services.
It's the Department of Education Organization Act.
Jimmy Carter signed it into law.
So, because it's established by an act of Congress, the executive branch can't come in and just say, well, we're putting this thing through the shredder.
But what Trump is trying to do, he told the secretary for the cabinet position, I forget her name, that he hopes that that will be the smallest department in the federal government before too long.
And so they're trying to cut it down, cut it down, cut it down.
And it's interesting because the Department of Education is both, on the one hand, not all that influential, and on the other hand, extremely influential.
They only provide, depending on the numbers you look at, between 9 and 14% of all the funding that goes to public schools, that's including universities and K 12.
So their actual funding is not super high, in some cases, 9%.
Most of the funding for your local public school still comes from the state, still comes from bonds and levies, and it still comes from property taxes.
That's the lion's share of the funding.
So, their budget is $270 million, and most of that, but really it's a drop in the bucket compared to all the schools that exist in our nation.
But what the Department of Education has is the ability, first of all, to promise or withhold grant money, especially from universities, and also it has the ability to tie Title I funding to compliance with national standards.
Title I is money that the federal government provides for low income schools.
So, these are schools that For whatever reason and by whatever metric is being used, quote unquote, don't have enough money to function.
And so the federal government comes in and says, look, there's a disparity here.
This low income school does not have as much money.
It can't hire teachers.
It can't, you know, whatever it is.
And so we are going to kind of even out the difference by providing federal money.
And a lot of the Title I or the Department of Education money goes towards those low income schools.
Now, what they do then is they say, okay, well, you're funded by the state.
However, we've got this new idea.
We've got this No Child Left Behind.
We've got this Common Core.
We've got these initiatives of civil rights policies that have to be enacted.
And we can't force you to do that because it's up to the state still.
But what we can do is we can say, we're not giving you any grants.
We're not giving you any Title I funding.
We're not going to give any other sort of aid or money unless you agree to implement.
No Child Left Behind, which was a series of targeted achievement tests that were really a disaster, or Common Core was never required.
That was a movement away from the classics and the great books in the US education system to more what they called college ready.
But this has happened with DEI, this has happened with civil rights, and so they are not only just changing the mechanism of how we teach, but they're also able to say, until you put some of these different Methodologies and perspectives into your school, we will be withholding funding.
Now, for the record, this is one of the reasons why the federal government is so dangerous.
The federal government did this same thing during World War II with speed limits.
They had decided at the time the technology, and who knows if this is even what it was, but the story was at the time the most fuel efficient that a car can drive is 55 miles an hour.
And so they said, We're trying to save fuel, we're in a war, so we cannot mandate that states implement a speed limit.
But we can say we're not funding any more of your highway projects unless you implement a 55 mile an hour speed limit.
So, this sort of purse string power is why at some point someone would say, well, they only give 10% of the funding.
And that's not that big of a deal.
Why are you trying to get rid of the Department of Education?
Well, the reality is that 10% is what's holding up a lot of the lower income schools.
And they use that money that they give or give to grants, research grants to universities, as their leverage.
And you've heard the old saying there's no such thing as a free lunch.
It's 100% true in this case.
And so the Department of Education has really transformed.
This is what I want people to see the DEI in classrooms.
They see the trans, they see the woke, they see the diversity, all of that.
But they have even more than that transformed even how we teach our children.
The fact that we don't read the classics.
Many, many high school students graduate from high school now never having read a Shakespeare play, right?
And so they transform not just the surface level, the easy stuff to see, the DEI.
But what is being taught?
What are the stories and the legends and the myths?
Well, a lot of high school English classes are focusing more on how to read technical manuals so you can go work in a factory somewhere than how to read Shakespeare or Dante or things like that.
And that has a profound, subtle effect and transforms the population of a people in ways that we don't always see immediately.
Well, we talked about this when we talked about seminaries, but seminaries, in order to receive federal funding, had to be compliant with Title IX, which means they don't discriminate between men and women.
So, one of the big reasons you'll have programs in even a reformed Presbyterian seminary, where it would be like a master's in counseling for women, and they're putting women in a lot of these classes, is because they need those federal dollars.
At the end of the day, if you have, you know, your budget is $2 million, 10%, 200 grand is a huge difference.
Even if it's that small, sometimes it's even bigger.
And so, that funding, that's on the seminary side.
Obviously, we're talking about public schools.
But that got a lot of women into RTS, it was a big incentive.
That's what I was going to say.
It was RTS, like they put out that promo video a while back, and it was like, Easily 50%, it was like the cafeteria and outside, but it was easily 50% of the students were young women.
Once upon a time in our country, seminaries were training men for the ministry.
And RTS would technically affirm, I think, that they would affirm that men are qualified to be pastors.
They don't let the women take, for example, the pastoral studies tracks.
But then what they do is they open up some kind of new avenue.
To get those sweet federal dollars.
Yeah, so that they're adhering with Title IX so that they can get the federal funds.
But then what you're doing in many cases is you're giving a woman a degree and sacking her with debt to enter into a marriage.
So now this young minister is going to meet, this young single man training for the ministry is going to also meet this young single woman who's at his seminary with him and they're going to fall in love and they're going to get married and all that's wonderful.
But now they're going to have two sets of loans to pay off instead of one.
His degree was necessary in his vocation, and hers was not.
And so, yeah, it's weird.
Good.
So, that's exactly how the Department of Education has used its federal standing to enforce things like civil rights, Title IX, things like that.
So, the question just use a switch, I think that's what that is.
No, he did not dissolve the Department of Education.
He probably does not have the authority to do that since it was enacted by, or it was put in place by an act of Congress.
What he's doing is he's gutting it.
He's cutting the workforce way down.
And I even heard that they're canceling a bunch of leases on the properties that they own around the country.
Like they are clearing house, they're making it as small, I think, as possible.
And then, Wes, you said they're going to try and permanently furlough a bunch of people and hope that Congress will just kind of, well, they haven't been working now for several months.
We're just going to, okay, yeah, clearly we don't need the department.
We'll just stamp it and, you know, maybe it would go away legally.
To go from 40 employees to zero is a lot easier than they employed about 4,000 before yesterday.
They furloughed close to 2,000 of them.
And the president, her name is Linda McMahon.
Trump literally told her, he's like, I'm putting you in there and your goal is to make this thing as small as possible.
Now, whether it will actually be.
Fully abolished is a question up to the Senate.
And the filibuster means they need 60 votes.
You would need to bring on about four or five Democratic senators.
And so Trump's, they're fighting uphill, but I love what he's doing in that saying, like, well, in the meantime, until I can get Congress, and I might not even get them, but in the meantime, I can save billions and billions of dollars by cutting these employees, by cutting these grants, by cutting what they're doing, decreasing their influence, so they become a hollow shell of what they used to be.
Yeah.
Right.
The question then comes, well, do you hate education?
You want to get rid of the Department of Education.
Protestant Educational Drive00:09:21
And so, you know, shockingly, Christians have thought about education before 1979 when Carter signed the order that created the Department of Education.
And Christian societies have had ways of educating people and citizens for a long time.
Probably in the U.S., what would happen is the states, which are already funding 90%, some of the money would maybe just be granted.
Trump wants to just grant some of the money that's been taken in federally, just Break it up evenly by population between the states in no strings attached grants, right?
So the states could say, we need the money here, we need the money there.
I want to take a few minutes and go through the history of Christian education.
And I'm going to go pretty quick.
We are going to have some quotes I'm going to read fast.
But the reality is, Christian societies have produced educated citizenry for a very long time.
And in fact, it's been a hallmark and a defining characteristic of Christian societies, particularly.
Protestant societies, although the Catholics, I'm going to mention here to begin with, before the Reformation were already moving in that direction.
So, really, I want to go back to about 1200.
Coming out of the supposed Dark Ages, as things in Europe were stabilizing, the Catholic Church founded the Dominican Order.
And one of the things that they were tasked with was to educate clergy, yes, but also laity.
So, they began schools.
The Dominicans began schools all over Europe to educate people who needed education.
And the goal of this was so that the people could read and write, they could be literate.
And this gave rise, you know, you think about the 1200s, this bubbled for a couple hundred years, and this gave rise to the Renaissance.
It gave rise to thinkers like Thomas Aquinas.
This directly led to the explosion of European art.
Literature, music, commerce, a lot of these things, because even the laity was getting, a lot of them were getting an education that taught them arithmetic, taught them to read, taught them to write, taught them history, things like this.
Now, this was not a college level education.
This was done maybe in a matter of a couple of years.
But the Catholic Church at that time said people need to be able to read.
We need a civilization where people are competent, not just cutting down the tree in their backyard, but doing accounting, reckoning the books, reading, writing, being able to write letters, things like that.
This was a big transition.
Like, it's hard for us to imagine where we send text messages, but letter writing was not even popular back then, right?
So, the fact that a businessman or a small shop guy could write a letter or could send an order to another town or another city by paper, this was a big deal.
Like, it really, really changed European structure a lot.
Going from there into the 1400s, 1450s was when Gutenberg's press was released, but it was really the Reformation.
It's funny because Gutenberg's press.
Enabled the Reformation to happen with printing the memes and the pamphlets and things like that.
But it was the Reformation then capitalizing on the press that began to really push for educating Protestant societies.
And there's some really interesting numbers here.
Because of the Reformation and because of their belief that Christians should be able to read the Bible, they sought to raise literacy rates all throughout Protestant nations.
So, by the middle of the 1600s, Protestant nations like England and like the Netherlands saw literacy rates soar to above 50% of the general population.
I mean, that's staggering for that time.
50% of the population was literate.
Dutch literacy rates rose from 12% to 53% in one century.
And this was the first time in human history that a nation achieved literacy for a majority of its citizens.
And this was because of the Reformation's belief that people should be productive and they should be able to read the Bible.
Now, contrast that with Catholic countries like France and Italy, literacy rates remained well below 50% until even the 19th century.
So, the 15th century, the Protestant nations were hitting 50% literacy rates, and this did not happen in Catholic countries until the 19th century.
If you compare that to other nations around the world, non Christian nations like India, Muslim majority countries, some of them, all the way up until the 1980s, in India at least, in 1981, India's literacy was estimated to be at 41%.
And so it really has been a Christian Protestant drive to educate the citizenry.
I like that Protestant angle because there's a lot wrong with Protestantism.
But even like the statistics about support for gay marriage and support for abortion and literacy, like in every statistic, evangelicals, specifically white evangelicals, they beat out Catholics consistently.
And this is not just like the last five years, you know, like evangelicals.
Don't get me wrong, evangelicals are gay.
But statistically speaking, Catholics are super gay.
Statistically, we went over it just on Monday.
I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think it was in terms of those who disapprove of same sex, not just marriage, but also just relationships in general.
They disapprove of same sex relationships.
For evangelicals, I think it was like 60, 70% disapprove.
For Catholics, though, it was like 73% approve.
Yep.
A little bit lower than the main lines, but evangelicals below half.
Right.
So, yeah.
And we do need to specify that.
When we say evangelicals, think of it like this.
Christendom, right?
So, like Christianity, and then there's EO, Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Protestants, and then a subcategory of Protestantism would be Evangelicals, and that would be just about everybody who's not one of the main lines, United Methodist.
The main lines would be Episcopalian, Methodist, Anglican.
Some forms of Anglican, Luther, some forms of like very progressive Lutheran denominations.
PCUSA, progressive Presbyterian denominations.
Right.
Which is from the main line in Philadelphia, where a lot of these churches were that first began to embrace.
Theological liberalism.
So, to be fair, within the Protestant category, the main three categories Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholicism, and Protestantism, within the Protestant category, all the main lines are actually worse than Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism.
Yes.
So if you take that, which is in the Protestant category, to be fair, if you take that and then you take evangelicals, evangelicals are substantially better than Eastern Orthodox.
It's substantially a bigger group.
Yeah, but it's also bigger, exactly.
So I could see, like, you know, some of our Roman Catholic friends and EO friends, they could be, you know, say, like, well, yeah, but Protestantism, you know, like, yeah, evangelicals might be better on, you know, same sex, mirage, marriage, you know, or on this or that or the other, abortion.
But, you know, you've got your mainline Protestant denominations and they're actually worse.
And that's true, but they are the minority of the overarching Protestant category.
So you're talking like 20% of all Protestants in these mainline denominations, and they'd be like 90% gay, you know?
And then Catholics would be like 71% gay, you know?
And.
Well, they're actually comparable.
That's what we're looking at on Monday.
They're only 70% approval, which is about equal, if I remember, to the Roman Catholic.
Maybe beats you by like 4%.
Yep.
So Catholics, mainline, holding hands together, but on the same level of being gay.
Yep.
Yep.
And then evangelicals are like winning a landslide.
Which is why Stephen Wolfe had his infamous tweet two years ago where he said, White evangelicals are the lone bulwark holding back the moral insanity of America.
And he's right.
That's absolutely true.
If you're looking at a voting block, evangelicals, not Protestants, you've got to be a little bit more specific because if it's just Protestants, it includes the mainstream.
Evangelicals is mostly your Baptist and not the Nation.
SBC, exactly.
Yeah, it's Southern Baptist.
It's, you know, Conservative Presbyterians, PCA, OPC, and it's a lot of evangelical Catholics, even they would call themselves Calvary Chapels, you know, and then it's a bunch of independent Bible churches, evangelical free, yeah, EV free, Bible churches, exactly.
It's churches like ours, and some of those, you know, churches like we'll be the first to admit that, like, I mean, their doctrine is not so robust, you know, it's pretty shallow.
But on culture and politics, They're far more conservative than a bunch of guys who have gone to the Ivy League schools and can dot the I's and cross the T's doctrinally and academically, but then they go to Sister Susan's church, who's the minister and she has purple hair.
But that disparity, to Michael's point, has been a long time that Protestants have been on the forefront of education, the forefront of cultural issues, the forefront of work ethic.
America is a Protestant nation.
Puritan Educational Vision00:07:49
For hundreds of years.
So things are rough, but take that, Catholics.
So a lot of this comes through the Puritans.
I want to read a couple things about the Puritans before we hit our first break.
And by the way, guys, if you want a new Puritan hero that you didn't know as much about, maybe some of you did, you're probably well read.
But Cotton Mather and Increased Mather, oh my word, what they did for education in America was incredible.
So the Puritans saw immediately as they began developing towns and cities, as the American colony was growing.
They actually thought we need to educate our people.
And so they required that if a town had more than 50 families, the town had to pool its resources and hire a teacher.
And that would be basically just teaching grammar school, like the lowest level, elementary school.
If they had more than 100 families, they were required to establish a former grammar school, not just one teacher, but multiple teachers where they were training through multiple years.
And the purpose of this was to ensure that all children could read the Bible and defend against deception.
Is this the Great Deceiver Satan Act?
I'm going to get there.
Yep, I'm going to get there.
So, the New England's first fruits this is quote number one, Nate.
This is what they said about themselves and the importance of education in 1600s New England.
After God had carried us safe to New England, and we had builded our houses, provided necessaries for our livelihood, reared convenient places for God's worship, and settled the civil government, one of the next things we longed for and looked after was to advance learning and to perpetuate it to posterity, dreading to leave an illiterate ministry to the churches.
When our present ministers shall lie in the dust.
And so they thought that educating the citizenry was actually a service to the church, that the ministers would have educated, rational, reasonable people to preach to and shepherd.
I do want to get to the Old Deceiver quote.
So let's go to the next quote, Nate.
This is from the Old Deluder Satan Act of 1647.
And look at that on the bottom.
It's a great title.
So this is why they wanted to educate the people.
It being one chief project of that old deluder Satan.
To keep men from the knowledge of the scriptures, as in former times, by keeping them in an unknown tongue.
It is therefore ordered that every township in this jurisdiction, after the Lord hath increased them to fifty households, shall forthwith appoint one within their town to teach all such children to write and read.
And so, real quick, explain to me why the name the old deluders.
They said Satan's tactic is to delude people.
And his tactic previously was to not allow the word of God to be in their language.
Now that it's in their language, his tactic would be to keep people from being literate and able to read through ignorance.
Yeah.
So we would today, we call it like the anti ADL act or something.
Something like that.
Against AIPAC actor.
Yeah.
Something like that.
Yeah.
And then, quote three, Nate, let's do this.
And then we'll probably hit our next commercial break.
This was the Puritan perspective on what education was supposed to do.
So they had eight bullet points.
Education was supposed to reflect larger beliefs or worldview.
Education is an ordinary means that God uses to convey his grace.
To sanctify and save the individual.
This was an incredible point, actually.
They said that God will probably save people by having them be educated in reading the Bible.
Shocking idea there.
Yeah.
Right?
Number three, there's no opposition between faith and reason.
That was one of their tenets.
Number four, there's no distinction between sacred and secular because all of life is held captive to God.
Number five, education serves a religious purpose and even combats evil.
Number six, a general education, learning, reading the classics, things like that.
Number six, the goal of education is to prepare the individual for anything and everything God might call him to.
Amen.
Whether vocation, trade, ministry, whatever it is.
And number seven, education should be broadly based.
It begins with the Bible, but it extends into many other areas as well.
And number eight, all truth is God's truth.
And this was the foundation of Puritan education in America.
That's so good.
Yeah.
I love like multiple of those.
Nathan, can you bring it back up on the screen one more time?
I like how saying that it.
It equips the goal of education is to prepare the individual for anything and everything that God might call him to do.
And that's the idea of being a generalist and having like a classical liberal education, not liberal and like being a lib, but having this general education of reading the great books and shaping virtue.
Like it's not just, I'm going to be uniquely trained in this specific field, I'm going to learn how to code, you know, or I'm going to like, that's fine.
There's nothing wrong with learning how to code if that's what you.
Feel called to do.
And you're going to do that well to the glory of God, then great.
But only learning vocations or like the trades, like the trades are that's great to, again, go to like a two year welding school or something.
We need people in the trades.
And I think that that's probably in many, many ways a wiser course of action than sacking yourself with a ton of student loans, you know, and going and getting a worthless degree because most of our universities today put out worthless degrees.
But if they were good, then it wouldn't teach you to weld and it wouldn't teach you to code.
And so it may not equal, you may still require specific equipping to get a specific vocation.
But what education and universities were supposed to do, at least initially, They weren't specifically training welders or coders.
They were training virtue.
They were training just well rounded generalists, people who could reason and think, and knowing that these basic building blocks of education is going to make this person, no matter what field they go into, better.
It's going to make them more suitable for any field.
And that's, I mean, that's like with our kids.
That's why we're doing classical Christian education for our children.
Now, I'm not going to say it.
I get in enough trouble.
Well, I'll just read this last quote because this is a little bit controversial.
So, Nate, let's play quote four.
Or let's show quote four.
This is the New Haven Code of 1655.
So, this is a civil code for this township.
It is ordered that all parents and masters do duly endeavor, either by their own ability and labor, to provide that all their children and apprentices, as they grow capable, may, through God's blessing, attain at least so much as to be able to.
To duly read the scriptures, to understand the main grounds and principles of the Christian religion necessary to salvation.
And in fact, if parents were not able to provide a sort of education where their children could become literate in reading and writing in the scripture and in Christian doctrine, they actually could be taken away from those parents and placed with a family that could educate them, that could afford to or have the discipline to do so.
It's just absolutely crazy.
That's the Puritans?
That's the Puritans.
That sounds pretty puritanical.
I mean, the Puritans were also known for, like, if a husband wasn't pleasing his wife, they'd pull him up publicly in front of the conversation.
There were a couple, like, historical charges like that.
And mock him publicly.
I, you know, I could get behind it.
Just a brief note on the classical school education and learning to think.
There's a theory for a while in statistics, you read, like, Nate Silver, The Signal and the Noise, that it was the hedgehog, which is kind of the specialist, that did a really good job of things.
Avoiding Political Polling00:02:58
So if you get someone and all they think and study and read about is political polling, then they're going to be the Best individual to predict to you who's going to win the next presidential election.
But what actually turned out happening, which is kind of contrary, you wouldn't think it would be this way.
Instead of the hedgehog and the specialist being the one that's really good in their field, it's actually generalists and foxes that are better able to predict different outcomes.
So, exactly like the election, like Hillary Clinton, there's a lot of guys that they didn't necessarily spend their entire life in political polling, but they're like, no, I think Trump has that intangible energy.
They had a much more rounded perception, understanding of things.
Same thing with people in COVID.
Like, who was deceived?
Epidemiologists, scientists, doctors.
You got to trust the science.
I mean, they spent decades learning and studying all this, missed it completely.
And then the farmer with no degree was like, eh, seems like the flu.
I'll be fine.
Right.
The generalist, literally.
And then all the leftists are like, source.
And then the proper response, of course, is, it's a blood memory.
I just, yep.
Intuition, gut, blood memory.
We got it.
We got it.
I made it up.
Yep.
Yep.
We got it.
All right.
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Through the education system, the Department of Education, over the last 50 years or so.
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Teachers Union Regulations00:04:24
All right.
Well, from the Puritans on, even Jefferson wrote very passionately about needing to provide a basic education for the common citizen.
And we're talking like just enough to be literate and do arithmetic.
The U.S. government has in the past had positions or departments that sought to aid educating the populace.
And do you remember the name of it originally?
I had researched it, but I didn't type it down.
I don't remember.
It was something that Andrew Jackson, in his time, they put together an organization and basically it just ran statistics and provided recommendations to the government about what parts of the nation were lagging behind or doing well with education.
It was really an advisory role.
And it wasn't, like Wes said earlier, until 1979 that Jimmy Carter's administration pushed for the creation of the Department of Education.
Now, one quick note with that is the reason they pushed for the creation of the Department of Education in 1979 is that it was a Campaign promise that Carter made to the teachers' unions.
He said, If you back me, if you get all your members to vote for me, if you fund my campaign, I promise we will create a new cabinet department, the Department of Education, and give you a ton of access to what we're doing nationally.
The department, the teachers' unions have always, pretty much since their beginning, been bad news.
In fact, my mother in law, my mother in law was an educator for deaf children.
Who's real quick, who's on the teachers' unions?
Is it like a lot of men?
Okay, go ahead.
I didn't think so.
When they started getting power, my mother in law actually refused to join the union and she had to go to court.
And it was like a 20 year battle.
And she finally won.
And after 20 years of that, all it meant was she didn't have to pay those back union dues.
I mean, she didn't get any sort of, you know.
But the teachers' unions are really like they're the reason why you have these rooms in New York.
Districts where there are people who have been accused and pretty much demonstrably shown to have abused students or done inappropriate things in classrooms.
And all these union regulations are so stringent that they can't fire these teachers.
And so I remember reading a story a number of years ago where there were 400 teachers in New York who would report to this building and they would just go sit in a room and they had to be there for eight hours because they couldn't be fired, but they weren't going to put them back in the classroom.
When was it COVID?
No, no, no.
It was before COVID, I think.
I remember hearing many stories like that.
And I remember hearing stories of teachers who even, sadly, did something sexual and illegal with a student, but still didn't get fired.
And sat in an office.
That's what I'm saying.
There were 400 of these in New York.
For that reason?
Yes.
Oh, man, I missed that part.
And they couldn't be fired because of the union regulations.
So they just kept collecting the names.
That sounds like Episcopalian ministers.
They did the same thing.
Empty rooms, sit there for eight hours.
Yeah, same thing Catholics.
I'll say, too, in my experience in politics and hearing stories from other representatives and senators, when you cross education and you even demand, I don't know, a dime back, or you say, like, maybe this, you know, this rule or law you've gotten accustomed to, there is no group as vitriolic as teachers' unions that will come after you for even like the most mundane things.
I'll give more details than that, but they're incredibly powerful politically and they make you feel it when you cross them.
Yeah.
It's interesting because Reagan, when he ran, one of the things that he ran on was Carter had just established the Department of Education.
And he said, one of the goals of my administration will be to get rid of it.
He said at the time, he said, it's only been here for two years or a couple of years.
We can get rid of it and we can just move on like it never happened.
Well, he was not able to get rid of it.
And it's been there since.
But actually, 79, like it hasn't been around that long.
This has not been the model for how we do education in America for all that long.
It was states and local communities.
Entirely before that point.
Yeah.
Reagan's Department of Education Plan00:04:19
Under the Department of Education, our Americans, so someone asked earlier about statistics.
The statistics in this episode are all going to be about the US today.
And our Catholic Protestant ones earlier, I think they were asking.
Those are all from the US.
Oh, yeah, those are all the US too.
Yep.
But we have not done well since the Department of Education entered the chat, as it were.
We have plummeting literacy rates.
So, some general things before I go to some graphs only.
And this was 2023.
Only 58% of fourth graders were performing at grade level in math.
Now, this is partly COVID.
That was down from 69 in 2019.
Only 24% of 13 year olds were taking algebra compared to 10 years before that, 34% were taking algebra.
So, this means that their mathematics progression was slow enough that they could not be taking algebra at that age.
They had to take a more remedial at math.
So, that had dropped 10% by 2023.
And then, in international comparisons, currently, or this was 2023 as well, The US was ranking 38th in math, 24th in science, and 20th in reading.
Singapore students are currently, when they graduate from high school, they're three years ahead of American students in math.
Now, one thing that is not factored into some of these statistics is that our best and brightest are actually still competing pretty well on the global level.
So when you take the people, the students in America who are quite good in their area, they still are.
About even with what the rest of the world is doing.
But our average citizen is dropping behind very, very quickly as compared to other nations around the world.
Are the best and the brightest in our nation, though, going to public school?
Probably not.
So, our best are probably doing it because they're not being influenced by the Board of Education.
All right, let's look at a couple other general things.
In science, the U.S. is 20th in the world.
We're in the bottom half compared to the Kind of the first world nations in literacy, 54% of US adults now, this is 2024 numbers, lack basic proficiency in literacy.
They read below the equivalent of a sixth grade level.
This is 54% of adults in America are reading below a sixth grade level.
Go to any drive through in America, and honestly, I believe it.
Yep.
If anything, that sounds low.
Yep.
That is 100% what you say there, Wes.
That means 130 million Americans.
Who are not reading above an elementary level, an elementary school level?
That's.
Talk about what the Reformation and the Protestant movement in education did, and we are going the exact opposite direction.
It's absolutely stunning.
In 2022, studies found that only 29% of eighth grade public school students were deemed proficient in reading skills.
So, not even a third of eighth graders in American public schools were proficient.
This is not excellent.
This is not.
This is just can read at the grade level, which is absolutely shocking.
Other, you know, we can look at a lot of things in geography, we're terrible.
But one thing that to me is really interesting that they've also measured was civic pride.
So in 2013, Gallup found now, this 2013 is before BLM and a lot of the really vitriolic anti America 1619 project.
This is before that.
And even by 2013, Gallup found that 85% of older American adults considered themselves to be very proud to be an American.
Whereas Americans 18 to 34, the number was 18%.
So it's no great shock to discover that the US military has been facing serious recruitment challenges.
Nate, let's look at some of the graphs.
I want to power through the data and then we'll just kind of open it up to discussion here with the two of you.
So let's look at chart number one.
On average, the US spends more per student on education than every nation in the world except for Luxembourg.
And Luxembourg is a tiny little city state.
So, by state, you can see some of them there.
This is thousands.
Military Recruitment Challenges00:10:25
In Washington state, $20.7 thousand per year are spent on the average student.
That's crazy.
That's Washington?
That's Washington, top left.
But they're all really high.
I mean, Florida is one of the lowest, and it's $12,000 a year per student.
But if you think about it New York is 33,000?
Yeah, 33.
New York is incredibly high.
Wow.
Incredibly high.
If you put your kid in a private Christian school, you might be spending $5,000 or $6,000 a year.
Right.
What is going on with this?
To get the results that abysmal.
Correct.
Right.
Correct.
This level of money for the results that we're getting is shocking.
Right.
And it's why, I mean, I know that most, we just said most of the money is coming from states, not from the federal government.
But guys, this is crazy.
Well, this is the same problem because I worked in healthcare and consulting.
This is the same problem with the, Healthcare system is that administrative costs have exploded.
And so it's very easy.
You don't need specialization or degrees or anything, but you can add administration.
And administration does paperwork and shuffle things around.
Because of bureaucracy.
And you add all these regulations.
You have to have the administration to jump through all these hoops and stuff.
And so it's like.
And it's like a drug they're addicted to, but you can't work without.
So you have to have the administration.
It gets to a point where only like half of your employees are actually teachers and half of them are.
It's even that.
That's the same thing like nursing and doctors, like a tiny fraction of the staff is doing the actual care.
Narrow AI and stuff will be helpful.
You know, like a lot of those kinds of meaningless jobs will be replaced.
You know, like you can cut the red tape, you know, and get rid of some of the bureaucracy and some of the regulations and the hoops.
But then also.
You can get bots that can do those menial tasks for you so that you reserve your manpower and salaries for people who are actually teaching.
And then you can get good teachers.
But as I was looking at the map there, I was thinking, all right, so that much money for those poor results.
And I think part of it is certainly the people.
I mean, the teachers' unions are, I think, some of the worst people in the country.
And then a lot of the bureaucracy and the administration, those kinds of things.
But there are, like, I know, I don't want to be overly negative.
I know that there are some really great teachers, the teachers themselves, but they can't, they're a fraction of the cost.
So if it's like, you know, $33,000 per student per year in New York, for instance, you know, the teachers who are actually teaching the student are probably only seeing a fraction of that, probably less than 20%.
You know, it's actually going, you know, to the teacher.
You know, it's administration, it's bureaucracy, it's the system, it's all those things.
I don't want to be too hard.
Some of the teachers, I'm sure, are lousy, but I think a lot of the teachers could do something else that would be a lot easier, less hours, and more pay.
And so, I do think that some of the teachers really are salt of the earth people.
A lot of them are Christians.
You know, I mean, Orrin McIntyre, he was teaching, you know, for several years, and like he was a good one.
My dad is currently teaching, he's a good one.
So, I, you know, And both were in the public school district.
So I think, you know, again, I guess what I'm trying to say is like if I'm accounting for such poor results with so much money, I think it's not so much like, you know, just the worst teachers you could possibly imagine, but it's the bureaucracy, it's the administration.
And I'm going to say it, I do think that it's probably challenging.
Like you don't get everyone to rise up to a higher level.
Instead, what usually happens is that you take everyone down to the lowest common denominator.
And when you're doing school based off of it, it's like there's one school and everybody goes to it because there's no other schooling options.
You're already paying taxes.
So this is the option you're already paying for.
And the only other options are going to cost seven, eight, nine, 10 grand.
A lot of classical schools are like 20 grand, easy or higher a year per student.
And so it's like a lot of people can't, they just can't afford to send their kids anywhere else.
So you send them to the public school, it's the only option.
It's geographically based.
It's based off of what neighborhood you live in.
And so then, if you live in a certain demographic, then it's like, okay, yeah, the Board of Education is a problem, the Teachers Union is a problem, the bureaucracy is a problem.
But it's also a problem that your kids are going to school with other kids who don't want to learn a lot of times and who are constantly misbehaving or being distracting.
And that's I mean, that is a big part of it.
I remember, you know, like I went to public school and I remember, you know, constantly just being concerned about what was, you know, like fights would break out in the school, you know, and this would be happening, this, that would be happening.
It would be like I would, you know, there were plenty of moments where I was not thinking about academics.
I wasn't thinking about learning.
I was, you know, I, yeah, it's like there are some really rough kids, like really rough kids who do terrible things at school to teachers, to other.
To other students, and the idea that you have to send your kids there and you can't afford to send them anywhere else.
All the ships don't rise, they all sink.
And so, which is why I think there are so many things that are broken with our current system.
But I feel like the first way to get out of it is as much as you can being frugal and trimming your budget and trying to hustle and pick up some extra whatever you can to get your wife.
Back into the home as much as you can.
Like the first thing that I would encourage any Christian family is whatever it takes, if it's downsizing your house, if it's going back to one car instead of two, whatever it takes to have a single income household.
Because the moment that you've done that, that doesn't mean that you have an extra nine, ten grand lying around for a classical school.
But what you can do is you can homeschool.
And it's like, well, my wife has never homeschooled before.
Guarantee she'll be better than a public school.
Guarantee.
It's like, my wife can't even read.
It'll still be better than a public school.
Immediately, immediate, like immediate improvement.
Because what you're doing at bare minimum is all right, so what do your children get day one?
Well, day one, they're not afraid for their lives.
Like in a school with some of the most degenerate people who are dangerous.
Public schools are dangerous, public high schools are dangerous.
Kids are afraid.
Physically dangerous, but also dangerous to your soul.
How many of those kids have cell phones that show?
Kids on the bus, kids in class take a look at this.
I've heard so many stories constantly, if not in Christian schools, that happening.
Forget public school, yeah, yeah, even in Christian schools, you're right.
But in public schools, yeah, it's infested with pornography.
There's tons of gangs and fighting, and it's not just the phones, it's what you're right.
No, you're right.
Some of it's impromptu pornography on the phones, and some of it's approved pornography.
If you survive the bus ride, yeah, then you get to the library.
So, so day one, it's like, well, my wife's never been a teacher, and I don't know if we're going to be able to do this.
Um, there's so many resources.
There were so many resources just staying at home.
It's not like it used to be with the internet now.
Exactly.
It is so much easier to homeschool than it was 20 years ago.
Right.
I was listening to a guy just the other day.
I wish I could remember what the program was, but it's like everything's like a simulation and like games, like where you're basically, and it's not so much for literature, so you would still have to supplement in other subjects, but like with mathematics and science and a lot of these, like think like Ender's Game.
Right.
And it's, you know, And they're scoring like the kids who have gone through it.
It's been a few years now, so they have some longer term results that they're able to show for their product.
And the kids are like dominating in their SAT scores and all this kind of stuff.
And it requires like zero parent.
Like the mom doesn't have to teach.
I'm not saying that parents shouldn't still be a part of it and be involved.
I think that's one of the great benefits of being home, being with the family.
So I'm not saying mom can just go do her thing, but I'm saying just getting your kids out of public school.
Just getting them out of public school.
And to do that, dads, the first thing you have to do is you have to get your wife out of work.
Right now, she is a helpmeet to some other man, and you want her to be your helpmeet, not somebody else's.
And so, doing whatever it is downsizing, picking up some extra work, figuring out a side hustle, whatever it takes to bring your wife back to you.
The first thing is wives returning to their husbands and being the helpmeet for their husband, their man, instead of the helpmeet for the man.
And then, as soon as you've done that, as soon as you can get your wife back to you, husband.
Then you can get your children back to you, husband and wife, mother and father, and bringing them back in their home.
It's like, well, we don't have experience, we've never taught.
There are a ton of resources.
And immediately, overnight, just by virtue of your kids not being in a hellhole, aka a public school, not being afraid for their lives, you as a parent not having to be afraid for their soul, not being indoctrinated, not being brainwashed, not being around dangerous children, dangerous adults, immediately you can start using resources for very cheap and most of them for free.
Online, and your kids will be light years above everybody else.
I just looked up the statistics 25% of mothers in the US identify as stay at home, and that's up 10% from 2022.
In the wake of COVID, a lot of moms have hung up whatever it would be the doctor's jacket, the teacher's cap.
So that's about a quarter of women that are doing that now.
Praise God.
It is difficult.
Stay-at-Home Mothers Rise00:10:59
Someone mentioned income tax.
For sure, that's a huge factor in it.
But what else matters?
What are you working for?
If it's not, To see your kids raised in the nurture and the admonition of the Lord to love you, to love their mother.
Like, what are we doing all this for?
Like, what are we doing this for?
If you unpack it, it's like, what's underneath here?
Oh, carnival cruises to Europe.
Like, that's why we're a lot of times, not always, but a lot of times it's really underneath it is material desires.
Do you have to say, yeah, we'll forego the money, we'll forego this, that, or the other that we could have because the more important thing is the souls and the life of our children?
Michael Laudermilk said in the, you know, in the property tax, which funds the schools, he's right for it.
Like, for us in Texas, in our county, um, Our property taxes, I think it's over 50%, go to public school.
If it wasn't for public schools, our property tax would immediately be less than half.
Something I want to say, I could be totally off base, but I think this is correct.
The public school funding is $80 billion in Texas.
And we have a problem, the Department of Education is a problem.
We have in our Constitution that Texas will provide a state level free education to all of its students, which when the state is tiny, In a different era, in a different time with different demographics, that's actually not the worst thing in the world.
These were not evil, satanic people that had this idea.
There was a time when they said, We want to have something affordable so the sons and daughters of a blue collar oil field worker can go and get a good education.
A lot of these people were not in all of that.
But today, it's just totally different.
You're right.
Yeah.
Original Texans setting up a constitution and thinking, Yeah, for the.
Maybe 100,000 people in our state, you know, like we're going to have this program and we're all Protestants and we're all, you know, we're all Anglo Protestants and of European stock, you know, and blah, blah, blah.
And like that's, you know, and there's 100,000 of us and like that's different than they couldn't conceive of the possibility that, oh, and, you know, but decades and decades from now, we're going to ship by the millions third world foreigners to your doorstep.
And you're going to have atheists and Hindus and Muslims and Jews and all these different people from the administrative state.
It's going to bloat.
Yeah, it's going to bloat.
And it's going to be millions and millions of people that have virtually nothing in common, like religiously, culturally.
And oh, and by the way, in your public schools, you're also be prepared for a fairly sizable swath of your student base to not even speak English.
Right.
Yeah.
Yep.
And yes, and the state's going to pay for it.
That was not on the horizon.
That was not on their mind.
Jefferson, people objected.
Jefferson was like one of the.
Opposed to the central bank, like he was not a progressive or a lib in any way, but he argued that tax, some tax money should go to fund schools.
And what he said was funding the school will keep tyranny at bay.
Now, when he was suggesting funding a school, it was three to five years of public education for free, it was a one room schoolhouse or at best a grammar school with a couple of teachers.
It was not IT departments for the school, groundskeepers for the school.
When people look at Europe and they say, well, Europe has for university.
Have you seen European universities?
It's a building where they go to a classroom and they learn.
It's not huge football stadiums.
It's not gourmet cafeterias.
We're comparing apples to oranges here.
Texas, we're paying 2.65% property tax, my wife and I, with our money.
Oh, 2.65% property tax.
And luckily, we got our home back in 2020 and we got a decent deal.
But we're still paying, like, I think it's over $10,000, like $11,000, something like that, annually.
And then you look at, like, what number one, I think it's like 55% of that, last time I checked, goes to public schools.
And our kids don't use that school.
So I'm spending, like, $6,000 a year, $500 a month towards somebody else's kids that aren't buying.
And not even, I might be persuaded of it.
If it was going towards their education.
But then every time I get my car and drive, I see the high school football stadium that they've been building for the last five years, right near my house.
And I know that that is where the bulk of my money is.
It's like state of the art for a high school Texas football team.
So it's not to make sure that these kids can read, and it's certainly not to shape virtue.
It's so that these kids can play sports ball.
And they're not even my kids.
And so, yeah, so it's absolutely insane.
Your point is a good one to say it was for education.
And now I would look at it and I would just say, we have the internet.
Like, honestly, like, we have the internet.
It's like, hey, you know, well, we need this much administration.
We have the internet.
We have narrow JPT.
That's right.
Like, well, you need admin.
Nope.
You're replaced.
Well, we need public education.
Nope.
We have the internet.
Like, I know it's going to be, it's going to shake things up.
It's going to get a little messy.
But I actually am very optimistic.
White Pill Wednesday, I'm bullish on the internet.
Like, okay, I'm just going to be frank.
So, one of the questions that Democrats have always been asking is who's going to pick the cotton?
And it is Democrats.
Let's not get our history wrong.
So, they're like, well, we can't release the slaves because we need somebody to bring in the harvest.
And now it's the same thing.
We can't export immigrants and we have to have porous borders because we need somebody to go into the orchards.
Right, pick oranges.
And Democrats have literally, like, that has been their number one concern how can we have somebody who isn't white to go and work the field?
That is a Democrat value.
It has been for a long time.
So everybody's like, you're a racist.
But let's get our history right.
So, whether it's slaves or whether it's immigrants, Democrats have always been concerned about cheap, free, if you can, or at least cheap, manual labor.
That said, whether it's admin, which is menial labor, it's not manual, but it's menial labor, whether it's admin type jobs or there's so much bureaucracy.
There are people, so many people who are full time employment.
Just to write you a will, you know?
And now it's like, oh, well, you can actually, there's an app for that, and there's a this, and like I can, instead of hiring a lawyer for $1,500, you know, because he's going to give me four and a half hours of his time.
But I need him because our bureaucracy has made it so impossible.
They've made, whether it's from tax code or to this legal language, like no one can do it.
They intentionally make it to where it's like a Learning a foreign language.
And you have to have exactly the dotted I's and the cross T's in their way, or it doesn't count.
And it's intentional.
It is to make sure that the layman can't do it so that you have to pay someone else and you create this whole wing of, you know, this whole field of workers that really are unnecessary.
Well, modern innovation is getting rid of all that.
Like Elon Musk, we talked about him just recently.
I have some serious concerns.
But if he figures out robots, now AI, I.
I think there's a great chance that it ends up killing all of us.
So there's that.
There are some downsides.
There are some downsides, like the end of the human race.
That's entirely possible.
It actually is.
But in terms of narrow AI, if it can be done well, and I'm not necessarily convinced it can, but if it can, then being able to have a bunch of robots that are able to do manual labor type jobs, then yeah, then like, okay, millions.
Millions should go back, period.
But now, you know, now definitely millions can come back.
Tens of millions can go back.
Tens of millions can go back.
And you can strip away just one more Democrat excuse of like, yeah, but who's going to work and pick the oranges?
You know, and so, well, robots are.
There you go.
And so, and then on top of that, with all your HR, all your school moms, you know, doing menial pencil pushing, bean counting, Labor that, like, really, they don't do anything except for walk around and frown at men and make the workplace hell out of them.
This statistic is shocking, but like 65% of black women who graduate college go into state or federal jobs.
Yep.
That's not 65% of these jobs are occupied by black women, but 65% of college graduate of every black woman that graduates, as I understand it, according to this statistic, go into state and federal jobs like the Department of Education.
Which is, that's crazy.
There's one element.
So, my point is if we can get rid of all of that.
Like, if AI can take care of that, whether it's physical AI with robots and then it's, you know, things like chat GPT, you know, continues to develop, you can get rid of admin and you can get rid of the manual labor type jobs.
And then back to education, like all these different programs that you could literally do for free at home, so long as mom's able to be there too, and dad can make a livable wage, a single income for his family, then you don't need any of this.
You don't need a bunch of, you don't need illegal immigrants, you don't need public schools, you don't like, It could literally change the world.
Like, we could have, you really could have like a golden age in America.
The one thing that we have to, and I'm not saying it can't happen, but the one thing that we have to think about is we can't reduce the true purpose of education to knowing math facts faster.
Right.
Part of the purpose of education, and moms could be trained, they could train, the dad could get involved in this too.
But education has to train in virtue, in the affections, all of these things.
And so it can't just be AI is teaching my kid geography and math facts faster.
That could be a tool, but that's not.
The root of what education is.
However, there are churches in India that they're not wealthy churches, but what they've decided to do is that the Indian government has put all of their curriculum online with videos.
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And what they have done is they've pooled resources and they said, we're going to buy 15 tablets.
And then what we're going to do is we're just going to allow, we can just take 15 right now, but we're going to allow 15 students to come.
They don't have anywhere to get internet.
They don't have any sort of adult to supervise them because mom and dad are working.
These are very poor conditions in India.
So they say, we can take 15 students, and they're tapping into even just the secular Indian curriculum.
And they're letting 15 kids just sit there on tablets and learn.
And it's not perhaps the best option, but it's actually having a dramatic increase in the population of India that just over the country, churches are just buying a couple tablets here and there, and students are getting educated.
Kind of similar to what you're saying because it's out there, it's on the internet, it's available.
Um, so that's cool, yep, it's encouraging.
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All right.
I want to hit one common theme that is sometimes it seems like a knockout argument from people on the left, right?
And that is simply that, well, education is the poor results of education in America clearly continue to show either systemic racism or class.
Inequity, mistreatment of rich people to poor people.
And what I'm trying to make the case for here is, and it's a pretty simple case, it's not that profound, but just money is not the issue in our education system right now.
It is not money.
Since 1960, education spending has increased 350%.
350% since 1960.
Now, my wife's grandmother is that a grandmother in law?
I don't even know what that is.
She only went.
To school through seventh grade.
She read the New York Times every day.
She did the New York Times crossword puzzle every day.
She knew history, geography.
She was sharp as a tack mentally until the day she died at 92.
I mean, it was incredible.
Just like Joe Biden.
Sharp as a tack.
Her seventh grade education pre 1960 was, it served her in her entire life.
It prepared her to do everything that she needed to do.
Nate, let's go ahead and look at chart three.
This is the global education spending per pupil.
I mentioned this earlier, the one before that.
Yep, that's the one.
Okay.
So the US spends an average of $17,000 per year on education and up to $20,000 a year for secondary schools.
We're second in the world.
Luxembourg's the only one that's higher than us.
Okay.
Nate, let's look at chart number four.
That's the one that you had up just a moment ago.
So this is 2024, just a very basic metric reading and math in American public schools.
So, the percentage of students that were advanced, 4% of our students were advanced in reading, and 8% of them were advanced in math.
Proficient, like barely a quarter, less than a quarter in math.
Basic, basic understanding is still below the target, over a third of American public school students.
And then below basic, this is kids who are way below what they should be at to even be considered at grade level.
So, we've had a 350% explosion.
In spending on education.
And last one, Nate, I think this one helps visualize it really well.
This is how much we're spending versus how well we've been doing.
So the red line is per pupil expenditure.
And you see that since 1975, it has just gone up and up and up.
And then you see how our performance has flatlined.
And then there was a dip.
And trying to say that the dip is being corrected a little bit.
But basically, we have nothing to show in improvement in.
Um, result for the increase of money that we've been spending.
So, when the argument comes up that what we need to do is tax more and give more money, I mean, I think it's similar to the poverty.
I think I've heard it's either three trillion or 30 trillion dollars have been spent to fight poverty in America.
Well, at that point, why didn't you just cut them all a check?
Yeah, you know, like that's that's astounding.
The amount of money being spent on education in the U.S. is so high.
And what is interesting to me is that there's a lot of data showing.
That until about 1970, 1975, education results in minority groups and in white groups were increasing steadily.
And from about that point on, it's plateaued and gotten worse.
And there is something to be said for the inner city, minority populations, black populations, they're doing worse on average educationally.
But my mother in law taught at a white high school in Eastern Washington.
And she said by the end of her career, she finally retired not because she didn't have energy, but because she'd walk down the hall and there's students making out in the hallway.
And when she would ask students to do something, they would swear at her.
Like, hmm, like.
This was a regular Eastern Washington public high school, and something has happened in our nation.
It's not about funding education.
Like, our issues are so much deeper than that when it comes to education.
We don't have a civic pride.
We don't aspire to be great as a people anymore.
We certainly, this is where my heart goes out to teachers.
I know there's, the chat was mixed on whether there are good teachers or bad teachers.
There are a lot of good teachers, and there are a lot of bad teachers.
Teachers, personally, this is anecdotal.
Who said, I'm no longer teaching, I'm parenting, and I'm failing at parenting because the parents at home are no longer parenting.
So much of a teacher's day now is conflict management, trying to keep the students from fighting.
You want to talk about like giving an assignment and expecting the students to actually do it and bring it back.
That is less and less likely.
And so schools have really become, it's funny, the same companies that design prisons are often contracted to design schools.
Because it's a lot of people in, people out, organized.
Schools have stopped being schools in large part.
And they have just been corralling people, managing them for eight hours a day.
It's government childcare.
Yes, it's 100%.
Yeah, and so you're right.
So there's no hope in sight if the school can't fix what God has ordained parents to do.
Correct.
And so if parents aren't parenting, and the first thing that you need I mean, there's a million different things where parents need to repent and be sanctified and grow.
But the first thing that you need is parents to be present.
So, for the first step towards improvement in parenting, is the parents have to actually even be there.
And you can't do that because of our economy.
So much of this is an economic nightmare that nobody, hardly anybody, can afford to actually have their wife be at home.
And so the parents aren't there.
So then they got to do something with the kids.
So they put them in government childcare.
And when every single kid is in government childcare, and then they go to some after school program, and then they only see their parents for a few hours in the evening, and both of them are exhausted from some kind of corporate job, you know, like mom hasn't been making the home, you know, she picks up fast food on the way home.
There's no home cooked meal.
The house is disarrayed and it's a wreck.
And both of the parents are tired, and, you know, like, and the kids get virtually no attention.
And so they go from government, you know, childcare with the School to now childcare in the home by being in front of the television, you know, and then, and then with our television, because of Hollywood and media and entertainment, it's the most degenerate filth you could possibly imagine.
And then they take that filth back with them and spread it with all the other kids, you know, the next morning at school.
And it's like, if you can just break out of the system, which I want to be extremely compassionate because it's much easier said than done.
Like, I know that that's hard, like, it just financially, it's very, very hard to do.
But if you can break out of that mold by being a single income family and freeing your wife from the corporate world and having her at home, then you can, by having her at home, you can then free your children from the public indoctrination camps, AKA public schools.
And they can come back home and then having rules and having guidelines in the home.
Like we're not going to watch, you know, filtering.
Degenerate TV shows, and we're going to limit our screen time and we're going to learn and we're going to do this and we're going to do that.
And all of a sudden, like your family, your home becomes like an oasis in a desert.
The rest of the population still is declining in many ways, but your family has sanity and warmth and joy, and the kids are all right.
You mentioned 1970, 1975.
That's also the period when public trust began to decline, even Christianity.
Well, what came about five, ten years before?
Civil Rights Act and Hart Seller Immigration Act.
So high immigration and then government force and welfare.
And the welfare state, Lyndon B. Johnson, and forced, not assimilation, but association that the government will tell you who you can associate and not associate with.
Those things, as they created the milieu, and then you add the Department of Education on top of that in 79, that's what gets us to where we are today.
These different pieces coming together, and then you arrive at something, and it's all well and good that, you know, like 10 of us, we break off and form our own Christian classical school, we homeschool, we get the kids out in the woods.
But something's got to be done about millions and millions of people in the public schools and what they're learning.
Like you said, Joel, the filth that's swapped between them, the lack of education that they're getting.
So, Trump disbanding the Department of Education is great.
We've gone over that.
That's awesome.
He needs to gut it thoroughly.
Hopefully, Congress will finish the job.
But that was simply an edifice that manufactured or appeared on top of what was already the crumbling foundation of a lack of national cohesion and identity.
That again came on the heels of the Hartzeller Immigration Act, the Civil Rights Act type of new constitution atop our old constitution.
And so.
Right.
Read The Age of Ending That by Christopher Cobb.
It's a really helpful book.
He's very hinged.
He's not like flying off the handle.
But he just talks about how the Civil Rights Act was replaced, it became a de facto constitution.
Yep.
And so, the Department of Education has to go, but there are deeper problems with education that we have to address that ending that type of federal program.
It's just not going to fix.
To some degree, the Department of Education, when you look at it from a big picture, it actually is something of a logical attempt to deal with what was going on.
In a different time, it could have worked.
Well, I'm not even saying in a different time it could have worked.
What they were seeing is, when you insist that everyone be educated to the same degree, I don't know.
My point is, because of the multiculturalism that we have, To hold things like that together, you need big, huge organizations like the Department of Education.
That's all I'm trying to say.
And so while we're applauding Trump for trying to break that down, you're right, Wes, there are deeper issues at play.
So, all right, we're going to hit some questions.
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Evan Davies, five year pounds, euros?
Euros.
No, that's pounds.
Five pounds.
All right.
What does that convert to?
More than five dollars.
It's like, taste.
Love it.
All right.
Evan Davies said this.
Thank you, Evan.
Dabney said public schools inevitably become secular.
He was prescient when he said that Bibles and catechisms would be removed from the schools.
Absolutely.
Dabney is incredible on women's rights and public education.
His prophetic understanding of where all these things would go.
Someday we're going to do an episode and it's just going to be two hours just reading base Dabney quotes, literally about education and women and the home and all of those different things.
Yeah.
All right.
And then one more from Neville.
He said, Is it true that if the Department of Education were eliminated, it would not shut down public schools, but the federal government would no longer influence curriculum policy, et cetera?
Yes.
Yep.
Exactly.
The education has always, since very early on, been run by states.
That's basically what would happen.
The public schools exist mostly because of state funding, so they would continue.
It would just, states technically even still control the curriculum.
So the Texas state, Department of Education is what, and in fact, they authorized a Christian slanted curriculum as one of the available options for public schools to choose here in Texas.
They didn't mandate it, there are several options, but the state to state can determine curriculum, it can determine graduation requirements, and it can determine accreditation.
What the federal government does, though, is it forces states to adopt policies, curriculum, and Well, like the policies of DEI or like kind of meta policies by playing with the funding that they offer.
So the public school would not be going away if Trump did this.
Nope.
Right?
It would just return to the states, which seems to actually be a theme of his.
I remember even in COVID, like he kept saying, I'm not doing a federal lockdown.
It's a state's issue.
And the crazy thing about Trump, even as frustrating as it is with abortion, is he is a federalist through and through.
It's unbelievable.
How much of a Federalist he is.
Yeah, he returns things to the States.
And that's a step in the right direction, a serious step, which I'm really grateful for.
Somebody on here posted, I can't remember which comment it was, but said something along the lines of like JFK files.
I was just thinking about that comment.
Yeah, JFK files, Epstein files, MLK files, you know, all these things that were promised.
And it's kind of like the meme that.
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The pawn shot where it's like best I can do is more anti Semitism laws.
Like, and it is, yeah, it is frustrating.
I was blackpilling in the group chat yesterday, Joel.
You were there.
I was like, these immigration numbers, like, if we even average a thousand a day, they're pathetic.
They're not great.
Like, we're fully aware.
To be fair, on the JFK and the.
Right now, we're on track, I think, for 1.5 million over Trump's term.
I think.
To be fair, like, he could ramp it up substantially.
We want to give him a shot.
But 1.5 million is nothing.
Right.
Like, 20 million.
Probably came in under Biden.
Just under Biden.
I've heard people say more like 30.
Yep.
But take the low estimate of that, 1.5, round it up to two, double it of people that self deport, you're at 20% of the people that need to go back.
Yep.
And that's charitable.
It probably is closer to that.
Right, that's the best case scenario at this rate.
Best case scenario, that's 20%.
With JFK and MLK, they did say it was going to be 45 days.
It's been, I think yesterday was 46.
White Pill Wednesday, Joel.
I know.
Yeah, well.
Here's what has to happen.
And we always knew this was going to happen.
Guys, guys, guys, look, we are getting.
Guys, guys, guys, guys.
Look, there's a lot of things that we want.
But we are getting more anti Semitism boots.
I mean, let's go.
RFK Jr.
Hey, Israel first.
That's what we voted for.
What do you think Israel first meant?
So we can count on that.
You know, we can all be grateful.
Those who bless Israel will be blessed.
Ever since we've been blessing Israel as a country, I have seen nothing but us be blessed.
You know, absolutely.
Like everything that we're talking about, our literacy has gone down.
Since 1950 or so?
Right.
Incarceration has gone down.
Lifespans have elongated.
IQ has gone up.
Since we've been blessing Israel, everything has been heading in the right direction.
The blessing of multiculturalism.
We've gotten that one in space.
Yeah.
Um,.
I wasn't going to say.
Sorry.
Oh, but we always knew the play was MAGA now, which is cover fire for a new right wing movement to come out of MAGA.
That's always been the play, and that still is the play.
That's what we did.
A new right wing contingent.
Even during the campaign and during the election cycle, we kept saying, look, if we get Kamala, you won't have a Bible believing Christian within a 500 mile radius of the White House.
You'll have zero access.
If you get Trump, you get AIPAC.
And you also get Paula White.
But you also get, there are some serious, and some of them I don't even want to name because some of it's a little bit off the record, but there are some serious evangelical, Bible believing, deeply conservative, American first patriots who have access to the most powerful man in the world.
And that wouldn't have happened any other way.
So the point is, it doesn't fix it.
The point is that it gives some reprieve so that we can build, catch our breath.
Reinforce, you know, re fortify at a family, private level, and local communities and churches.
But then, second, it's not just reprieve, but it also gives at least a chance of what could maybe come out of it, what could come next.
I think MAGA, we talked about this on Monday, but MAGA won the day.
The left has been so thoroughly destroyed.
I mean, it's marvelous to witness, it's beautiful.
There are just rivers of leftist tears.
It's amazing.
But they're so thoroughly destroyed that, and not just leftists, but the neocons, the rhinos are just like the Jeb Bushes of the world will never, literally never see the light of day again.
Yeah, I mean, it is amazing.
Liz Cheney, she's gone.
The Bushes are gone.
Mitt Romney's are gone.
And that's super encouraging.
So leftists are gone, and neocons and rhinos are gone.
And so what you have is MAGA is not the end game, it's not the end solution.
MAGA gets you a lot of great things, but it also gets you Israel first.
It also gets you a ton of gay stuff.
It gets you still a ton of abortion.
It gets you like.
No Epstein files.
No Epstein files.
No, you know, like, because it probably, let's be honest, it'll indict Israel very likely.
That's my prediction.
And so that said, MAGA is not the solution, but it's better than the neocons, the rhinos, and it's better than leftists.
It is.
And our two party system, I'm not even saying it's a good thing, but it's not going to go away.
And so, because MAGA has so beaten out, there were two parties, and MAGA just destroyed both of them.
And so, our prediction White Pill Wednesday, our prediction that we said on Monday, and I'll repeat it now, is that MAGA will inevitably give birth to at least something.
One other party will come out of it.
And right now, what we have is we have an opportunity.
So, MAGA will continue, and the rhinos and the leftists are gone.
So, now it's one party, but we do have a two party system that something else will run against MAGA.
In 2028.
But what we have for the first time ever is you had two parties.
You had the leftist and then you had the rhinos, and you have something to the right of both of them.
Is it far enough right?
No, of course not.
It's not even, but it was an improvement further right than both leftist and the neocons.
That gives you MAGA.
And now we also have the opportunity for this next, something has to come out and distinguish itself from MAGA.
And it's possible that it could be to the right of MAGA.
And that's what I voted for.
I think the three things it has to be, I said this yesterday, but male led.
Anti immigration, anti Israel.
Those three things, if we can get a right wing party in the next four years in the primaries where people represent that, we're anti Israel, we're anti immigration, including legal, and mostly male led, we can work with it.
Christian primarily, other different things.
And those are the three big words.
Like I did a post just yesterday where I said, you know, I'm regularly, you know, labeled, indicted as a racist, an anti Semite, and a misogynist.
I've had protesters at my house.
I've received ample death threats, not just, hey, I hate you and I hope you die, but like, no, I'm coming for you.
This is what we're going to do to you, your wife, your children.
And yet, I can tell you, I can assure you, you know, because people actually, right now, there's a pretty big, you know, populist movement against Israel that's becoming mainstream.
It really is from Ian Carroll on Joe Rogan to Darrell Cooper on Tucker Carlson.
Darrell Cooper is going on Joe Rogan.
That's going to be coming out soon.
And so, and I'm here for it, I'm down.
But out of those three things, you're a racist, you're an anti Semite, you're a misogynist.
I can tell you from personal experience for multiple years now the vitriol for that third one misogyny, sexist, being against feminism that is by far the most intense.
You go against Israel.
Like people think if you go against Israel, that's the most cutting edge, that's the most egregious thing.
You go against Israel, and about half the country will agree with you.
Everyone who's Gen Z, whether they're on the left or the right, will agree with you.
Pretty much everybody under the age of 45, it's like based.
Right.
Like they'll be in your DM saying, Yeah, man, you're one of the real ones.
Yeah, dude.
Like you actually get a lot of support.
Like you go against Israel, and all of a sudden your podcast numbers will boost.
You'll get more views.
You'll get more donations.
Like you won't be invited to some of the institutional stuff.
Yeah, exactly.
You won't, or CPAC for that matter.
Like you won't be invited to some of the institutional stuff.
But all that's quickly changing.
All those things are older.
They're older.
And within 10, 20 years, all these millennials and Gen Z, those will be the leaders in the nation.
And the gravy train for Israel is coming to a screeching halt.
And everybody knows it.
And that's why they're screeching.
That's why they're freaking out.
And so my point is I'm not saying there's no pushback there.
I've gotten plenty of pushback for my alleged anti Semitism and wanting to stop immigration, my alleged racism, being against multiculturalism.
But the biggest one where you get the least support, in my opinion, when I think of what America is potentially ready for or could be ready for in 10 years from now or 20 years from now, male led.
That's the only reason I'm bringing it up.
You said three things against immigration, against Israel, and male led.
We're not even close to that third one.
I will give a white pill.
We were at an event and I was talking to a guy who knows the president of a conservative group here in Texas that is big.
And he said privately, the president and all of them, like, yeah, women shouldn't vote.
Now, they're not going on the record because they realize right now that's not tactical.
But I wouldn't be surprised if the iceberg of people that are saying it out loud, and then the people that are influential and they think it, they can tell the Overton window is not there yet.
I would bet in the next five, 10 years, a lot more of those people that we begin to see, like, oh, actually, underneath, 30%, 40% of the population agreed with this.
You're taking the first bit of heat, you know, as the first one to stand up and say, hey, the emperor has no clothes.
But I don't know, I've heard of very influential people privately, politically influential saying, And that is encouraging.
I'm not down with it.
But I guess what I would say, you're right.
No, certainly not.
I'm post millennial.
I'm hopeful.
So I think that we're going to have a return to things that are right.
And having our sovereign nation that's not controlled by any foreign entity or body is morally right.
It doesn't even mean that you have to be against Israel.
That's not what I'm saying.
But what I am saying is that we should not be controlled by a foreign entity.
Like the fact that every.
Every federal constituent has an APAC handler, except for Thomas Massey, is insane.
That's absolutely insane.
So, my point is you're right.
That's encouraging.
So, I guess what I would say is I think like 10 years from now, we'll be able to clinch some of these things on, like, not just that there's some popularity in the mainstream and in the discourse, but we'll be able to clinch real victories over being America first instead of Israel first and really being against immigration.
But I think, you know, 10 years from now, when we're clinching those victories, we'll just then be at the point of being able to.
The conversations we're having today about Israel, I think 10 years from now, we'll have achieved some things there.
But we'll be at the level of just having those conversations about mayor leadership.
Jeff Halfley, that's a good point.
It's in a super chat and a great point.
Jeff, 499, thank you.
Joel's point Jews represent 2% of the population, blacks represent 12% of the population.
But women represent over 50%.
He's absolutely right.
That's my point is like, when you think about it, it's like, because if I come out and I say something about Israel, like there's, you know, there'll be a bunch of, you know, a bunch of women who, you know, will flock into the comments, you know, on X and be like, yeah, you're one of the real ones.
I appreciate your courage.
And, you know, like, I mean, right now, like we, oh man, I'm going to say it, but like, we have a lot of loud women.
Our nation is filled with, like, it is, it's a gynocracy.
It's like we are, the leadership is either female or female adjacent.
Like, there is no ascendancy to real positions of power in our nation apart from being a woman or being adjacent to what, like, being pro woman.
And that's, and like everything in the church, the nation is just representative of the church and vice versa.
Like, the church appeals.
To feminine sensibilities.
Christianity has been warped and twisted to, it's been feminized.
That's why someone like Andrew Tate, who none of us support, we think that he's a degenerate.
But part of his popularity and his ascendancy is, you know, you think of like, he's this young man, he wants to be masculine.
He's a terrible sinner.
There's no question about that.
He's not virtuous, but he wants to be masculine.
And then he realizes, okay, like being.
Agnostic or atheist, you know, secular, he realizes secularism is not masculine, it's gay.
And so he realizes, like, okay, like you can't really, you're a walking contradiction.
It's irony to try to be masculine and not be religious.
So then he looks at the religious landscape and which religion does he adopt?
Islam.
Because Islam at least has some appearance of a muscular, masculine, you know, and Christianity is Western.
It's been modernized and feminized.
And so, yeah, so I think Jeff Hafley is absolutely, I think it's a numbers game.
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I really do.
I think it's like when you're saying, Hey, we shouldn't be sending billions of our tax dollars to Israel, and Israel makes up 2%, Jews make up 2% of our population.
You can actually get a groundswell of support for that.
You know what I mean?
You're talking 98%.
This is what you're trying to sell.
You're basically saying, hey, 98% of the population of America, would you like to keep more of your money?
That's not that controversial.
It's really only controversial to a bunch of boomers who are going to be gone in 10 years, and they still hold the institutions.
So, they appear to have more of a voice.
It appears like there's more people behind them than there really is.
But it's boomers and dispensationalists.
That's all it is.
And that's a lot of people.
But dispensationalism is on its way out.
Boomers are on their way out.
And so, that landscape is going to change rapidly.
And then, all it's going to be is 98% of the country that would like to pay less in taxes, and 2% of the country that's saying, well, we're your greatest ally.
And yet, anybody with eyes can tell this has never been a mutual relationship.
So that's an easy win.
That's an easy win.
And then, you know, beyond that, you look at immigration and it's like, hey, would you like to keep your country?
You know, like, hey, like, you know, like, and again, that one's money too.
Like, you're paying tax dollars for immigrants.
You are paying for their health care.
You're paying for their housing.
You're paying for this.
They're not paying taxes.
People who are illegally coming into the country.
And so that's an easy win in many ways.
But to say then, because now you're talking about, You're talking about your core citizenship.
You're talking about heritage Americans.
You're talking about 50% of them.
Technically 51%, I think, last time I checked.
Hey, also, by the way, half of you patriots who we love and appreciate greatly, we love and appreciate you greatly.
We also would love for you to go home.
That dog won't hunt.
That's where I get in trouble.
Like, seriously, even the people who hate me for alleged anti Semitism and alleged racism, I promise, because I sat here and watched the sequence of events over the last few years.
What put me on the map, because most of them are, when it comes to racism or anti Semitism, it's very clearly, because I'll have the disclaimers, I'll say this, I'll say that.
It's so clearly a confirmation bias, it's a bad faith hearing, bad faith listening.
And I'm like, but why?
Why is there, why did people start with like their starting disposition was to just assume that I'm nefarious, to assume that I'm racist, or assume that I'm anti Semitic and blah, blah, blah.
Especially as there's simultaneously like such a groundswell of support for Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson, all these other guys who are stepping out and saying the same things.
I'm not, I'm not, I haven't said anything further than Tucker Carlson has.
Tucker Carlson, as mainstream as it gets on the Jewish question or whatever.
Like, and then I realized, oh, that's because.
I got on the naughty list first, and they're not on, they've never made these statements.
I was first on the naughty list, not for alleged anti Semitism or alleged racism, but for alleged misogyny.
My positions on biblical gender roles between male and female.
That's what got me on the naughty list.
And so, anyway, so I think all that back to the white pill, like MAGA has beat, it's to the right of both leftists and the rhinos, and it's definitively crushed both of those parties.
But because we have a two party system, something will emerge.
And the hope is that something would emerge to the right of MAGA.
And the way to distinguish yourself is to have the best of MAGA, to keep the good, because that's the only way it would stand a chance.
And it should keep the good, because if it's good, it's good.
All truth is God's truth.
So keep the good, but still be clearly distinct to where it's like, it makes sense why so and so is running against whoever the MAGA successor is.
The way to distinguish, I think, is you're right, Wes, on those three issues.
Stricter on immigration, a very strict policy on Israel, to the point of no dual citizenship for Congress and for the Senate.
No, you're an American citizen only.
You want to serve here, you need to give up your citizenship in another country.
We demand fidelity and single allegiance to America first.
We're not sending billions of dollars anymore.
We're not doing this.
No more AIPAC.
That's disbanded.
The ADL, you're done.
No influence in America.
And I think you could do that.
And that would be distinct from MAGA because MAGA is very, very much Israel first.
But you could do that, and I think you'd have mass appeal and mass popularity.
And then I think you could be even stronger than Trump on immigration.
He's had good rhetoric, but his numbers, as of now, maybe they pick up, but as of now, are not impressive.
Biden, not Biden, but Obama deported more people.
Obama deported more people.
So you could distinguish yourself on both of those.
But if the third piece is, and also, Unapologetically masculine.
That's where you don't currently, in my assessment, you don't have the American base to support that.
That one, that's where you need your Joel Webbins for another decade to keep pushing the Overton until the people are ready.
Any other super chats?
Jeff asked 499, a different one.
Thanks, Jeff.
He said, when you say a new party, do you mean like the Dems will rebrand like they did with Carter in 76 and Clinton in 92?
Yes, exactly.
Too hard to form a new party to win any type of constituency at the state and the federal level.
It's going to have to be under the banner of the Republican Party.
But as Trump showed, you can move it and you can rebrand.
So 100%, Jeff, great, great to point out.
Logan Howlett came in with a super chat $10.
Thanks, Logan.
He said, I love you guys.
Post mill reformed.
Let's go.
My only disagreement with you is Israel.
Islam is over 10 times as large and violent.
We should stop sending them money, but I pray God saves them.
Yeah, so we are no fans of Islam.
Islam has been a horrendous enemy of the church for what?
13, 1400 years.
Like, we are, we're fans of the Crusades.
You know, we've been Raymond Ibrahim maxing, you know, like reading, you know, Defenders of the West and, you know, Swords and Scimitar and all those works and appreciate King Alfred and appreciate, you know, Duke Gregory and all the guys, Skanderbeg.
And so we recognize that still today and then historically, especially, like anybody who's cozying up to Islam.
So, if you're getting red pilled on Judaism to the point where you now think that Muslims are your friend, then you've lost the threat.
You need to look at a little bit of history.
So, with you, 100%.
Islam is a formidable, longstanding, centuries old enemy of Christ and his church.
And right now, it is slaughtering Christians in Syria.
So, absolutely.
So, it's kind of like the meme, you know, the little girl who's like, why not both?
You know, so like when it comes to my distaste, I'm an equal offender.
I have plenty of room in my heart.
To despise Islam and despise Judaism.
Because, and here's the point I would never say that, yeah, Jews are blatantly and overtly killing Christians the way that Muslims are.
That's just not true.
Statistically, you can't bear that out.
And anybody who would try to make that argument is that that's when it's like, okay, this person is biased and you're not going to be taken seriously.
So that's not the case.
However, I would say that Israel was integral.
And are you know dismantling like so was America?
So I'm not saying America wasn't involved, but in many ways, you could draw an argument that it's America's subservience to Israel and our partnership with Israel and Israel's insistence that removed Assad.
That ultimately, and to Donald Trump's credit, he said this years ago.
There's a clip that's been going around where he's like, Why do we do this?
We go in because there's a bad guy in foreign affairs and we involve ourselves in matters that aren't our business on the other side of the planet.
And we remove somebody because we think that they're bad, you know, because they don't support our sacred democracy.
And then, like, nine times out of ten, they get replaced by somebody worse.
Like, Assad didn't like, he wasn't a Christian.
He didn't necessarily like Christians, but he was a little bit more agnostic on the issue.
He didn't really care a whole lot.
And now, what he's been replaced with, like, the Muslim leadership in Syria is they're chopping off Christians' heads.
Like, I just saw pictures of a guy who refused to remove his cross and deny Christ.
And He's sitting there crying and he's clinging to his cross.
He's a Christian brother in Christ.
We love him.
We're going to be in heaven with that guy forever.
And he lost his head because he refused to bow the knee to Allah and to worship demon gods.
And he held true to the end.
The one who perseveres to the end will receive the crown of life.
Thank you, God, for these bold Christians in Syria.
Real quick, let me pray.
Father, please be with our Christian brothers and sisters in Syria.
Protect them, guide them.
And spare them, Lord, in the name of Jesus.
Amen.
Here's my point my point is that's Islam, but that is also Israel.
Israel, I'm just going to say it Islam chops the heads off of Christians, Israel opens the door for Islam to do that.
One is an overt enemy of the church, one is a subvert enemy of the church, and they do work in concert many times.
Many times.
And so one is a more obvious enemy.
And because it's true and obvious, we shouldn't ever pretend that Islam's not really the problem.
It's just the Jews.
That's not true.
Islam is a massive problem.
It has been for centuries.
It will continue to be until Christ gives us the grace to conquer and hopefully for many to convert Muslims who have been made in the image of God, that many of them would convert and become Christians.
And until that day comes, Islam has been and will continue to be a formidable, one of the most powerful and violent enemies of Christian peoples and Christian countries and Christian nations and the great Christian Western tradition.
And there's no denying that.
That's overt, that's obvious.
But what's subvert and subtle is that Israel has had a hand in that.
And that's not quite as obvious and not quite as apparent.
But Israel doesn't do the beheading, but what they do is in their own self preservation.
And I'm not even saying that it's always sinister motives or something like that.
Certainly, I wouldn't say that for each and every Jew, but it may be sinister motives for many in positions of power and leadership for elites in Israel.
But even for the elites, We talked about this last week.
There is sin, Peter, in one of his epistles, he talks about sin which is common to man.
Well, like there are common desires.
It's not always that people, you know, some secret cabal where people get together and it's meticulous and it's intentional and it's coordinated.
Sometimes, I would argue, oftentimes, it's just clear, common incentives that every single sinner, fallen people, apart from grace that's found in Christ alone, have the same.
The same sinful motives, and some of the motives aren't even inherently sinful.
And so, for Israel, a lot of it is self preservation.
We, the United States, and other Western countries, Great Britain, like we chose deliberately, it wouldn't have happened without us.
We chose to create a nation state in 1948 and to plop it down right in the middle of a sea of Muslims.
Like, we, I mean, surely we could have known that that was going to be a recipe for.
Unending war, forever wars.
It all ties back to that.
It really does.
You take a group of non Muslims who don't like Muslims and you put them in a sea of Muslim countries and displace a bunch of Muslim people.
And yeah, that's a recipe for disaster.
It's not going to go well.
And so then, in the name of self preservation, which I get, I'm not even demonizing that, but like Jews.
They have a right to defense and to self preserve, but then in that self preservation, they are going to rope in their Western allies to help them take out threats to them.
But then at times, not always, but at times, some of those threats to them get taken out and then replaced with someone who is actually a greater threat to Christians in places like Syria.
And so Jews are preserved and Christian Syrians are.
In jeopardy.
And that has happened again and again and again and again.
And so, in that sense, none of our stuff on Israel should ever be interpreted for us to say, you know, so there's this little thing called Islam, and that's not really a big deal, you know, and then there's the Jews.
No, that's ridiculous.
If you want to get a faithful pastor out of the pulpit, which all false religions hate, the proper teaching of the word, there is the bomb the church.
Now, that's defended physically, you have a security force.
But another way to do it is to get anti Semitism laws into the books and have the state do it.
Both are attacks on the church.
That's right.
One is through the front door and honestly, probably more easily repelled.
The other one is backdoor dealings and money and donations, and then the state goes and does the thing so you don't even have to get your hands dirty.
The Christians stuck under the command of Romans 13, obey to the state.
And they're like, well, shoot, like the state's saying this, the state's doing the dirty work of subverting the law.
It's just different strategies, different tactics.
One is, you're right, overt and through the front door.
And the other is through the back door.
You could say tunneling under the floorboard, so to speak.
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But we saw those.
Bills last year.
I remember looking at the bills and then looking, you know, like, okay, so, you know, if this bill passes about, you know, anti Semitism, and Speaker Mike Johnson was right at the front of it.
And if this passes, I remember looking like, okay, but like, who defines anti Semitism?
And it's a foreign body.
It's not even our own civil magistrates.
It's this old foreign body definition that has all sorts of things.
It's like this a group of Jewish people that aren't even a part of our country now defining.
For us, what constitutes anti Semitism.
And so then I looked at the definition, I pulled up the website, and it gave multiple different examples.
But one of the examples that was given would, like, if it was consistently applied, and I don't know how they would apply it, but if it was consistently applied, there are certain Bible verses that not just you couldn't take a certain interpretation, you couldn't read them.
Like, there were whole swaths of the Bible that would be a breach of what they were purporting.
In this bill.
Like I think of, what is it, 1 Thessalonians chapter 2, or it might be 2 Thessalonians 2:50.
Yeah, that says, like, that talks about the Jewish people who killed the prophets, killed the Lord Jesus, are persecuting us, and have become opponents of all mankind, is basically what the verse says.
And according to this bill, if it had passed, you could not say that the Jews should be a valid category for discrimination.
So, if you had someone in your office or you employed them and then you said something like that, they could then sue.
But as we all know, be it taxes or be it Department of Education, once something gets into law, it never just stays there.
Like, oh, well, this will only be used for discrimination.
It keeps a foothold.
It's subtle at first, but then it just builds out.
Like the civil rights are.
Yeah, and so then all the.
And yeah, so that was one of the clear things that it specified that even if it was scripture, if you're saying that the Jews killed Jesus, and then, you know, and you saw all the discourse on social media, well, like, well, the Jews didn't kill Jesus, the Romans did, or you like.
Here's the deal.
I said it then, I'll say it again right now, but there's at least four or five, biblically speaking, who killed Jesus.
The Father killed Jesus.
He was pleased to crush him before the foundations of the world were laid.
The Father ordained the death of Jesus.
So there's a sense in which the Father killed Jesus and poured out his wrath on Christ on the cross.
You could also say Jesus killed Jesus.
Jesus says in the Gospel of John, No man takes my life from me, but I freely lay it down.
You couldn't kill Jesus unless he allowed it to happen by choosing to submit to his Father's will.
So God the Father killed Jesus.
Jesus killed Jesus.
Jesus.
You killed Jesus.
You and I.
We killed Jesus because it's only our sin that made his death necessary.
Behold, here comes the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
So we killed Jesus.
Also, the Romans killed Jesus in the literal physical sense.
They were the ones who drove the nails through his hands.
And Pilate killed Jesus, right?
So now's a fifth example.
He tried to wash his hands of the guilt, you know, but at the end of the day, it couldn't have been done without him.
The Jews, according to their law, they couldn't do it.
They needed the Romans to execute Jesus for them.
And so they gave it to Pilate, and he was up for re election in this district that had a lot of Jewish people in his district.
He wanted to be re elected.
He wanted favoritism, politically speaking.
And so he said, Well, I find no fault in him, but he still ultimately pulled the trigger and allowed it to happen and made that decision.
So God the Father, by providence, by ordination, killed Jesus.
Jesus, by laying down his own life, killed Jesus.
You and I killed Jesus by our sin.
The Romans killed Jesus by physically driving the nails through his hands and the spear in his side, but he was already dead.
Pilate killed Jesus by ultimately having the political authority to make the decision, and he did make the decision.
And also, the Jews killed Jesus by trapping him, by producing a kangaroo court in the middle of the night, producing false witnesses, stirring up the crowds with animus against him, crying out, Crucify him, crucify him, give us Barabbas, give us Barabbas, not Jesus, crucify him.
So, the Jews also killed Jesus.
And here's my point all those statements are true.
So, it's not that I'm taking one statement over the other.
All those statements are true.
But only one of those statements has been threatened to become illegal.
That's the point.
That's the point of attack.
That's the point of attack.
Exactly.
If there was a bill on the books that was, they were going to say, it is illegal to say that individual people's sin is what killed Jesus by making his death necessary, then I would be objecting to that.
That's the heart of the gospel.
I'd be objecting to that.
I'm going to object to any kind of bill and proposed legislation, especially from a foreign body that seeks to dictate.
The truth of God's word and tells me what I can and can't say, especially when it's things in the Bible.
And so, Wes is absolutely right.
There are cases where Muslims will shoot up churches.
That's an overt threat.
And then there are cases where Jews, not all Jews, but some Jews, they won't show up physically and shoot up a church, but they try to push legislation where you would have to rip portions of the Thessalonians out of your Bible.
And that's also a threat to the church.
And so that's the point.
Yeah.
So, yeah, in your noticing, don't ever come to the point where you're like, yeah, Islam's probably not that bad.
No, Islam is a formidable, longstanding enemy of the church.
And it is a threat to everything that we know and love and hold dear.
But so is Judaism.
It is.
And, And the latter, namely Judaism, seems to be far less talked about in America.
And that's part of why we've given it some of the attention that we have.