The Livestream host defends the "Statement on Christian Nationalism," clarifying that while nations need not be mono-ethnic, America should strive for an Anglo-Protestant identity requiring mass deportations of non-assimilated immigrants. He argues that loving foreign nations over one's own constitutes "sinful ethnic partiality," citing biblical concepts like astorgos to condemn globalism and dual citizenship among politicians like Mike Johnson. Despite backlash linking signers to JD Vance, the speaker asserts that distinguishing Talmudic Judaism from other faiths is defensible, not racist, and promotes a new Patreon series on Israel while defending a German convert's past sins against double standards applied to Reformed pastors. Ultimately, he claims America's broken covenant with God demands a return to distinct lineage, land, and laws before divine judgment arrives. [Automatically generated summary]
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The final version of the statement on Christian nationalism and the gospel has been released, and it is already taking fire from those on the left, which is, of course, to be expected, but also those on the right.
Now, at the heart of the hubbub is a question of how much blood and a bloodline affect the definition of a nation.
Some have objected that ancestral lineage doesn't matter at all, which is not our position.
And others have said that the statement is simply a form of globalist propaganda, which is also not our position.
So, how should we think about this question in our time?
What is a nation?
What is also, we're going to be getting into what people are really bothered by, what is sinful ethnic partiality?
And also, at the very end, Lord willing, we will have a little bit of a visit from my daughter, Mabel.
All right, tune in now.
I'm going to be honest with you.
This one, it's going behind the paywall.
It's not something we typically do.
In fact, thus far, every single piece of content that we've produced here at Right Response Ministries has eventually been made available to you for free publicly.
This is an exception, though.
First two episodes will launch publicly.
The next seven episodes will exclusively be available for our members at patreon.com forward slash Right Response Ministries.
Why?
Well, I'll give you the reason.
Because right now, the vast majority of evangelical Christians are not ready for the conversation that we have in these episodes.
And frankly, you and I both know that many of those individuals are actually bad faith actors who will seek to slice it up, take us out of context, put it out there for the World Wide Web in order to discredit this ministry and see to it that we're canceled.
And honestly, I'm not willing to let that happen.
What conversation am I even talking about?
I'm talking about.
Nine part series between myself and Pastor Andrew Isker on Israel.
The history, the scripture, the whole big shebang.
Check it out at patreon.com forward slash right response ministries.
You can get every single episode available now, all of it ad free.
And here's a couple clips just to whet your appetite.
And so our entire moral framework is based around 1930 and 1940.
And every bad thing is Hitler.
Every failure to confront the bad thing is Neville Chamberlain.
And Saddam Hussein, Hitler.
Vladimir Putin, Hitler.
Donald Trump, Hitler.
That's the only moral framework that we have that is operable.
So the moment that a young man crosses the aisle and the don't believe your lying eyes rhetoric doesn't work any longer, and he's just noticed too much because it really is that blatantly obvious.
And he has nowhere else to go.
And he crosses the aisle.
Well, the moment he crosses the aisle, there's no reasonable, wise, mature leader over there.
You would just have the guys on the TV telling them, This is what the Bible says.
You have to believe this, right?
On the radio, the Christian radio stations, you'd only hear those guys preaching that particular thing.
When that is actually, when you look at all of church history, that's the minority view, the tiny minority view.
The rest of theological history in the church is the kind of stuff that we're saying.
The Future of Bitcoin Prices00:02:53
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Again, go to patreon.com forward slash right response ministries to get all nine parts ad free.
Right now, available today.
Good afternoon, gentlemen.
GA.
GA, as they say, as the kids say.
As the cool kids say.
How long is Trump in president now?
Three, four months, it feels like.
Feels like, yeah.
We're almost at the end of his term, right?
We're almost there.
We're ready for the next one.
Yeah.
No, man, what a whirlwind of a week.
And just a week ago, well, I guess a week in a day, we did the election night coverage.
Right.
Yeah.
Seems like the future is a little brighter this week.
It does.
Especially if you bought Bitcoin.
A week and a half ago.
When do you guys think it'll hit 100K?
Is that what, 89, 88, something like that?
Yeah, it's by hit 93.
93 to 89 right now.
About 88.
I think it's Thanksgiving.
Yeah.
And then if it becomes a strategic reserve asset, yep.
I think 100K is the limit.
So, you know, you had all time highs, which was like 67, and it actually beat that before the halving because you had BlackRock and all these major investors coming in before.
So it got up to a new all time high, 74, before the halving in April, and then just kind of went sideways forever, which honestly follows the four year cycle.
But 100K, I think, you know, so then 74 became the new all time high.
That's a barrier, broke through that, shattered that.
But I think 100K, so now it's all psychological kind of barriers, you know?
And then just, of course, like the practical parameters of like market cap and stuff like that, like you, because you need like 10 trillion, you know, into flowing into crypto, not all in Bitcoin, but like the lion's share of that, you know, 60, 70, you know, 75% of that would be in Bitcoin with a $10 trillion, you know, market cap in order for it to hit what some guys are projecting, you know, in this four year cycle.
But, anyways, all that being said, I think 100K will be a psychological barrier.
I think it'll hit 100K.
I think it'll hit it before Thanksgiving.
I hope you're right.
Yeah, portfolio.
And then by end of year, I think we'll be, I hope it's like 100K because I have some other things that I want to move over to Bitcoin.
So I'm kind of like with Bitcoin, I'm like, wait, wait.
Hold on.
Because I'm doing some stuff with Tesla right now.
So, anyways, but I think by end of year, my prediction is like 110, but I'm wary that it'll be already 120K.
And the reason why I don't want that is because in terms of like multiples and stuff like that, I think this cycle by the end of 2025, I think you're looking at like peak bull cycle for this four year run.
I think you're looking at 170 to 250 Bitcoin.
And I would love to come in at like 100K and get that potential two and a half ratio, two and a half X instead of come in at like 120, 130, 140.
And then it goes to 200 instead of, you know, and I got like a, you know, whatever that is, 45%.
JD Vance and Mother Jones00:04:18
Right.
Okay.
So, all right.
That's enough.
What does that have to do with nations?
We are not sure.
Yeah.
Well, It gets to your analogy that you were giving.
It's like, you know, like money and Bitcoin versus, you know, nations.
But, anyways, okay, go ahead.
So, we're going to be talking about the newly finalized, not newly released.
There have been drafts out for quite a while, but the newly finalized, so the final draft of the Statement on Christian Nationalism and the Gospel.
And by the way, Joel, is that back up on the internet?
Do we know?
We got it up today.
So, what happened was, you know, it's been sitting in draft form forever and the domain expired.
And it cost money.
And Dusty Deavers actually hosts the domain.
And we didn't want it to all fall on him.
So then I reached out to James Silverman, who works with Dusty, and said, write a response.
We'll write a check to, you know, if you guys just put it back up, we'll mail you a check.
So that's back up now.
And just for the record, everybody who was like, you said it was going to come out, you know, like a long time ago, I did say that.
We announced at our conference all the way back in March that it was going to come out like within two weeks of our conference.
So still in the month of March.
And the only reason it didn't is because some of the guys who were signers on the statement reached out to me privately and said, That it was right before that timeline, we would have been dropping it right before the Southern Baptist Convention.
And some of these guys were really, you know, William Wolf being one of them.
And I don't think he would mind me naming him because it's all positive.
There's nothing bad about it.
William Wolf is a stud.
But he was working really hard with CBL, which was a brand new organization at the time, conservative Baptist leaders.
And the Southern Baptist Convention's coming up.
And he didn't want to be seen as over the top radical, you know, or more radical than he needs to.
It's like, I want to have.
A strong conservative position, but I don't want to be viewed as a ridiculous radical.
And so, anyway, so he gave me permission ahead of time with the conference and said, Yeah, we can release it on this date, which was two weeks from the conference.
So then I get up in front of 850 people live at the conference and say, We're releasing it March, whatever it was.
I can't remember, March 17th or, you know.
And then William and some other guys too, you know, reached back out and was like, We changed our mind.
It's going to hurt.
Like, we're already getting flack with the SBC and people are pushing on us saying that we're too radical.
I can't have the statement drop with my name.
So then we waited.
And then it started getting closer to the national election.
And so, Mother Jones, as a lot of you guys saw, came to the.
Wait, are you saying there was an effort to link Christian nationalism with the Republican Party or Donald Trump?
100%.
And not just the generic Marjorie Taylor Greene Christian nationalism, but a very full throated Joel Levin, Stephen Wolfe, Andrew Whisker, Brian Sauvay, Eric Connor.
And we were named.
And so, Mother Jones, which is a large organization, they're libtards, but they're still large.
Yep.
And so, you know, they write this article of if you want to know JD Vance.
So it was right when Trump picked JD Vance.
So we're thinking about launching, you know, as well after Southern Bathurst Convention, we're like, let's launch the statement.
But then, you know, Trump made his pick of JD Vance for VP, which we're all super excited about.
And when that happened, Mother Jones said, if you want to understand JD Vance, you need to meet the Theo Bros.
And started tying, you know, Newfoundland and Nate Fisher and San Diego Pliego and all these different guys to JD Vance.
And to be honest, those ties are real.
And we can acknowledge them a little bit more now because We won!
So take that, you know.
So it doesn't like you write as many articles as you want, Mother Jones.
We won, you lost, praise God, Christ is king, and Trump is president elect.
And so, yeah, there are ties.
Mother Jones, they nailed it on the head.
There actually are some ties there with JD Vance, and there's just a couple steps away from President of the United States, praise God.
And so we waited because here's the other thing like William Wolfe, you know, he's like, let's not drop the statement because it's going to mess up what I'm doing in the SBC, and that matters.
And then, you know, at the national.
Stage.
It's like, all right, let's not draw this state.
So we dropped it on November 6th after Trump was elected, which was a great day.
It was that Trump becomes president elect, the statement drops, and my daughter Mabel, our fifth child, was born.
I thought it was Trumplina.
Heck yeah, little Trumplina.
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Mabel Donald Webbin.
Mabel, we actually, her middle name is Joy.
Kamala's campaign was all about Joy, but it was a fake Joy.
There was no joy whatsoever.
And so we named her on the day that Kamala completely tanked.
And has to go away in shame, Lord willing, never to be heard of again.
On that day, I gave my daughter her middle name, true joy.
Joy actually does come in the morning, but it's a real joy.
And Kamala knows nothing of that joy because she rejected that joy in her prime when she could have had a family and she could have had children.
She said no to that joy and chose tyranny instead.
But God is merciful and He gives us often as Americans far more than we deserve.
And He sent Kamala packing.
Her and her filth and her grime and her evil.
And my daughter was born on that day, Mabel Joy Webbin, true joy.
And the statement was launched because it'll still be viewed as controversial.
But on the foreseeable horizon, there's nothing to mess up.
Good.
For the new future, the near future.
So that's why we dropped it.
All right.
So, what we're going to do is we're going to jump in and we're going to look at two really phrases.
I mean, we're going to read two paragraphs, but we're really looking at two phrases in particular.
That people have questioned, legitimately have had questions about, and also have reacted to.
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Defining a Legitimate Nation00:15:41
All right, so we're going to pull up a couple of the pieces of the statement on Christian nationalism and the gospel.
And we'll read through.
What the controversy is about.
Nate, do you have that?
There we go.
So, this is from Article 4.
This is the definition of a nation, and it says We affirm that a nation is not merely an idea, abstract principle, or ideology, but tangibly defined by a particular body of people in a particular place.
We affirm that a particular people are necessarily bound together by shared culture, customs, history, and lineage, while sharing common interests, virtues, languages, and worship.
We affirm, in regards to place, that a nation is definitively set by both its borders and times, physically defined by God, Acts 17 26.
Thus, we affirm that nations Should rightly maintain autonomous government of their people and place with the necessary rights and duties to one, prioritize the security of its people by maintaining its borders, providing for its common defense, and repelling invasions from without and insurrections from within, and two, promote the prosperity of its citizens, and three, enforce justice.
And then the next slide.
And this is the denial.
And this is the first thing that we'll touch on then.
We deny that a nation should cede its sovereignty to international bodies that may subvert the will of the national interest for a global order.
We deny any efforts to establish a one world governmental system before the return of Christ, as such efforts are a reenactment of the Tower of Babel.
We further deny that sovereign nations must only be composed of mono ethnic populations to be united under God.
Therefore, as Christian nationalists, we utterly repudiate sinful ethnic partiality in all its various forms.
And so we're going to take up that last phrase about utterly repudiating sinful ethnic partiality in all of its various forms first, and then we'll come back.
And pick up a few other things.
Right.
So, for guys on the right, when they read this, they were frustrated.
And I'm thinking of Talladega Nights when Will Ferrell, his character, Ricky Bobby, there's the French dude in typical French fashion.
He's F O T R, he's gay.
And so, you know, Will Ferrell, he walks in the room and he's like, I'm getting dizzy from all the gayness.
So, I feel like some of the guys on the right, you know, read this sinful ethnic partiality and they're like, Like faking gay alarms are going off like crazy.
I'm getting dizzy from all the gayness in the statement.
So, we want to do our best to define that and explain.
And we recognize right out of the gate, we want to say, yeah, we recognize that there's no historic precedent for this phrase, for this term, because there never had to be.
And not there never had to be because now people are racist and blah, blah, blah.
We don't want to prop up and promote fake sense.
We don't want to do that.
Because it's unhelpful, it's unbiblical, and it's just a weapon to bludgeon people who are faithful to Christ and try to shut them up.
So, we don't want to sit here and do the devil's bidding by championing fake sense.
But the problem, part of the difficulty, is because of globalism.
Globalism has won the day.
And we'd like to push back on that.
And by God's grace, we'd like to eradicate globalism because we really do believe, in the technical sense of the word, that it is satanic.
It's exactly that what God did at the Tower of Babel was not.
Right.
It was a judgment because they were seeking to make a name for themselves and exalt a structure that reached to the heavens.
They were trying to garner for themselves greater glory than God.
And so the sin was pride, the sin was arrogance.
But God didn't just deliver to them a judgment for sin, contained within this judgment was also his providence and mercy.
God's divisions and dispersions of the nations at Babel was not merely a judgment.
But it was also a plan.
It was his plan and it was good and it actually contained mercy within it.
Because here's the thing that we forget about leading up to Babel the sin is not only arrogance.
I already stated that, trying to make a name for themselves and trying to exalt a structure up to the heavens to be as God.
But it wasn't only the sin of arrogance, but it was also the sin of not spreading out and filling the earth.
The original plan, right, the cultural mandate that's given is that they would go and disperse and fill the earth.
And here's the deal practically, what would have happened?
If they had obeyed, they weren't obeying.
They were saying, God told us to fill the earth and subdue it, to spread out, and to be fruitful and multiply, and to fill the whole earth, to spread out.
And they were saying, no, they were being disobedient.
They weren't just being arrogant, they were disobeying God's clear commandment.
They're saying, instead of spreading out and filling the whole earth, we're going to congregate, and we're going to stay right here, and we're going to speak one language, and have one culture, and one set of values and priorities, and all these kinds of things, and all.
And our ultimate value and priority is going to be to exalt ourselves, to exalt man over and against God, the Creator.
Now, the problem, when you think about it logically, what would have happened if they didn't disobey?
What would have happened in a prelapsarian world?
If sin had never, not just disobedience with Babel, but the Tower of Babel, but what if Adam and Eve had never even sinned to begin with?
Well, if they had obeyed God, were fruitful, multiplied, and spread out and filled the whole earth, over time, people from one family, Still would have had distinctions.
They would have eventually developed different dialects, which would eventually have become different languages.
They would have had different cultures and customs and cuisines and all these kinds of things.
And death never would have entered the world, so nobody would have died.
So you'd have a tribe that eventually would have been a clan that became a tribe that eventually would have become a nation and spoke even an entirely different language that would maybe go on a pilgrimage once every century to go and visit their great, grandfather Adam.
But they would have been distinct from Adam.
And it would have been good.
There would have been nations.
So the point is nations are not a judgment.
Distinct nations are not a judgment of Babel.
But they're actually the original plan and commandment that God gave in the cultural mandate that Babel was rebelling against.
And God doesn't just punish everyone gathered there at the Tower of Babel by saying, well, you were being arrogant and prideful.
And so therefore, I'm going to slap you on the wrist by giving you different languages.
It's not mere, it is a punishment, but it's not merely a punishment.
It's actually a mercy.
They were directly disobeying God's command to spread out.
And then God says in his judgment, he says, I'm going to get you, you've derailed yourself with rebellion to my commandment.
And my judgment is, I'm going to put you back on the rails.
And I'm actually going to expedite your obedience that should have been there.
I'm going to make your obedience happen.
I'm going to cause you to walk in my ways and to do what I originally planned.
And all this is good.
So, but all that being said, we do live in unprecedented times.
America, it's complicated.
It's hard.
What do you do when you discover a landmass the third the size of Asia and you discover it in terms of human history like 15 minutes ago, and a bunch of people, different people from different nations, actual nations with different languages and different customs and different ethnos and all these different things move here, right?
That's the problem that we have to figure out.
And it is a very modern problem.
So when you say, well, Calvin didn't talk about.
Sinful ethnic partiality.
Yeah, uh huh.
Yeah, Calvin didn't talk about it.
Calvin was not dealing with some of the novel problems and complexities we're dealing with today.
Calvin didn't talk about pornography.
Right.
But like, yeah.
And I was going to say, Calvin didn't say, you know, when he was exegeting the love of money is the root of all evil, he doesn't say the love of Bitcoin.
What's wrong with Calvin?
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
Well, it wasn't a thing.
Well, so much of globalism, too, some of it is nefarious, but some of it is just we've advanced in technology.
Yeah.
I can take out an app on my phone and learn a foreign language enough that I could be an exchange student.
Or go visit or study abroad in a time of six months.
That never existed before.
It was not possible if you were an Israelite simply to pick up another language, especially half the world away.
I can be in China right now.
I could book a flight, Austin International, 12 hours.
I could be anywhere in the world.
And that changes things.
When you came to, like, grew up and you grew up in a land that you worked hard at, you didn't travel far, that shaped your perception of the world.
Your sphere of interest was local.
But now, when we're able to see news that's happening all over the world, send money instantly via Bitcoin, for example, anywhere in the world, human beings have a much more internal, broad sense of things than we ever used to have.
And I don't even know that that's necessarily nefarious.
I don't think it's good.
We've talked about this before.
Should you know everything that's going on in the world, every tragedy, every natural disaster?
No, probably not.
Your fallenness can't handle it.
And your finitude can't handle it.
Even if we were unfallen, it's still not good for us.
Even if we were sinless.
We're not God.
We're not always going to be fallen for those who are in Christ Jesus.
When we see Him, we will be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
1 John, we will be sinless like Christ.
So, sin one day, the power is broken, the penalty is paid, and the very presence of sin one day will be no more.
But even then, we'll still be creaturely.
We'll still be finite.
And as finite creatures, yeah, I don't need to know what's going on in Lebanon.
Maybe a little bit, you know, but if it's massive and it really does affect America, But there's a ton of things where it's just like, I'm happy for you.
This news story, the proper response is, I'm happy for you or I'm sorry that happened, whichever one.
I'm not reading all that.
Whichever one.
I care.
The other thing to say is, global trade is not even necessarily inherently bad.
I mean, Ezekiel 28, I know there's some who is the king of Tyre?
Is God talking about Satan?
But there is a sense there where God laments the fact that this king is going to be judged and it's going to decimate global trade.
And he speaks very highly in Ezekiel 28.
Of how good for the world at that time the global trade that had been established was.
Real quick, somebody in the chat is either being silly or is just misinformed.
And so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and not treat them disrespectfully.
But he said, The question is can you affirm?
I think he just doesn't understand our position.
And that's why we're doing this episode.
He must think we're libs.
The question is can you affirm the right of a mono ethnic nation to exist?
Or will you behave like egalitarian liberals and deny thousands of years of white Christian European nationhood?
So.
I'll answer it like this.
Right Response Ministries fully affirms the legitimate nationhood of Japan.
It's mono ethnic.
There's no debate.
Zambia is 99% African.
We think that Zambia is a legit nation.
And if Zambia wants to stay that way, they're allowed to do it.
And it's perfectly permissible, it is not a sin.
100%.
And European nations like England that actually were.
100% Brits.
Once upon a time, sadly not anymore, but once upon a time they were.
That was a legitimate nation, although there are major problems that need to be sorted through.
It was when it was 100% white British people.
It was also a legitimate nation at that time.
And at that time, they would have had the right, sadly, they didn't do it, but they would have had the right to say, yeah, no Muslim invasions into our country.
We're going to stay this way.
So absolutely, 100%, we support that.
In the statement, when we say we deny, what we're saying is we believe America is a nation.
If we don't deny, when we say, I forget how we word it, but maybe we can pull it back up again.
But when we say we deny that, here it is, that a nation should cede, blah, blah, blah, we deny, second sense now, any efforts to establish one world, we further deny that sovereign nations must only be composed of mono ethnic populations to be united under God.
What we're saying there is that America is a legitimate nation state.
America has problems and complexities.
But if a nation.
So do we deny that you can have a legitimate nation and that it's not inherently sinful for a nation to be mono ethnic?
No, of course.
Japan is a legitimate nation.
Now, we'd like to see Japan be Christian.
Amen.
I don't care if Japan is ever diverse ethnically.
I think it's kind of cool that Japan is Japan.
I think that's great.
If I ever visit Japan, which I don't intend on doing, but if I ever visited Japan, I would like to see a bunch of Japanese people and eat Japanese food, you know, and I'd like to, you know, try to visit some Japanese samurai, you know, museum and stuff like that.
And if I show up in Japan and half of the people are white, you know, and 40% of them are black and, you know, and 8% are Mexicans and 2% are Japanese, I'm going to be disappointed, you know.
So, 100%, of course we affirm.
I don't know who this guy is.
He obviously doesn't watch our show, but of course we affirm that a nation can be mono ethnic.
Not only can it be, but in many cases, it's actually positive.
Right.
And there are some incredible.
But here's the deal the guys who wrote the statement live in America.
And guys, I don't know what to tell you, but for America, look around.
I went to Costco today, right?
Nothing radicalizes me like going to Costco.
I just had my fifth kid, fourth girl.
Right.
Okay.
So you're talking to a guy who, in less than.
Two weeks just watched Trump win in a landslide, had his fourth daughter born, and then went on a trip to Costco.
Life changing events.
So I am as radicalized and red pilled as a man could possibly be right now.
Okay, so I'm not going to be squishy for anybody on this episode.
But here's the deal at Costco, I see what you see in Costco.
Dude, America is a ton of different nations.
Yeah.
And so we can talk about America as an empire, and there certainly are empirical elements and characteristics of America.
But I love America, and I want America to be a country, not just an empire, but a nation.
And for us to get back, To some of that.
One, we need mass deportations, which is one of the reasons why I voted for Trump.
Every, every, start with the criminals.
You can start with the homicide, you know, the murders first and work your way down, then those who are on welfare, who are here illegally and all this kind of stuff.
America as a True Nation00:15:28
But eventually, here's the deal.
Eventually, you're going to get to Heritage America, right?
That's the way you look at CJ, you know, Angle or Isker, you know, like Heritage America, Stephen Wolf, it's a good term.
But here's the deal Heritage America, is it predominantly white?
Is it more white?
Than America's current population?
Yes.
Of course it is.
Of course we acknowledge that.
But even Heritage America is not exclusively white.
It's just not.
That's just not the founding of our country.
You read Alexis de Tocqueville, I'm Working Through Democracy in America, which is the foundational text for a lot of our political studies.
And in the book, he has a chapter on the three races in America, and he speaks of the white man, the Negro, and the Indian.
And they're recognizing it just always was composed like that.
So you just talk about Japan, almost 97% Japanese.
That's what happens when you live in an era of technological advance.
And I'm talking about 400 years ago, 500 years ago, massive technological advances, namely the ability to chart stars and compasses and all these kinds of things and ships.
And so, when you live in a boom of technological innovation, and there also happens to be a massive landmass that's unsettled.
And just for the record, that is the correct term unsettled.
The indigenous people who were here had not settled the land, they were nomads who were doing drugs, worshiping demons, eating each other.
Not just killing each other, but eating each other constantly at war.
Especially in the North Americas.
Yep.
And I'm from Texas.
I remember learning about the Kurankawa Indians.
They were cannibalistic.
And the Central American, the Aztecs, that was human sacrifices, piled mounds of skulls.
So here's the deal the land was not theirs.
It wasn't.
We came, our ancestors came, settled the land.
And then what I would argue is around about 1890 for sure.
Let me add slavery was a big one.
Like in the 1800s, so Japan, 99% Japanese.
Right.
In 1800, the United States was about 20% black.
Most of them were enslaved, a couple million that were free blacks.
Those were brought to us by the slave trade, which Jews were actually complicit in.
So we had people brought over.
I love how you just worked that out.
I just, I got the research right here.
That was a Theo Vaughn moment right there.
But you have people that, with money and everything like that, they had a trade and they brought a bunch of people here.
They've been here for 200 years.
Like they're blacks.
They don't have.
Anywhere to go back, yeah, where they go, part of America, yeah, right, and a substantial part, they're not like one percent or like a little colony.
All black people, if somebody comes over here from Nigeria and they came literally yesterday and they're here illegally for whatever reason, I'm not saying all Nigerians, I'm just giving a hypothetical example, but if it's an illegal Nigerian, you know, person who immigrated here 15 minutes ago, you need to go back, um, you have to go back, yeah, um, but but if if you can uh track back your your lineage 200 years, yeah, 400 years, then.
You are part of Heritage America.
And so that's our whole point.
And the statement is saying the mono ethnic part.
We're saying we deny that a nation must be mono ethnic, one ethnicity in order to be legitimate or pleasing to God.
We're denying that.
And ultimately, I guess part of what we're saying is we're saying there's hope for our nation, for America.
Because America, here's the deal spoiler alert, I'm about as far right as you can come, but some of you guys who are a little bit further right than me, spoiler alert, America is never going to be exclusively white.
It's not going to happen.
It's not our history.
It's not our heritage.
And real quick, what I was going to say about the cellular thing, there is so different people came and there were waves, and everybody was upset every time it happened, right?
Everybody was upset about the Irish.
Everybody was upset about, you know, every time there's a new wave, the Italians, everybody was upset.
You know, who can blame them?
You know, the Italians, get out of here.
Michael Knowles, you know, are you kidding me?
So I like Michael Knowles.
But, anyways, all that being said, every wave of people coming, there was frustration.
But there was, I think, a dynamic, historical, real moment, tangible moment, where it's no longer waves of settlers.
No one's coming to settle America anymore.
It's settled.
So you said the other day the distinction between a settler and an immigrant.
Yes.
Do you remember what you said?
You said a settler is someone who comes for a job to build and to establish.
An immigrant comes for benefits.
Yep, for the benefits that have already been built and already been established.
And just for the record, we're not saying, and therefore immigration is unbiblical.
You can have some level of immigration.
Now, because we've gone so overboard, I would argue for America for the next 20 to 50 years, there should be virtually zero immigration.
And I'm not talking about illegal, I'm talking about legal, no immigration.
If it's illegal, we need a wall.
There need to be, and this is merciful, by the way.
I'm not just trying to be unhinged.
We need a wall.
We need guys on that wall, standing on top of that wall.
And if someone starts to approach the wall, there needs to be a warning, back away.
If they don't listen to the warning, they need to be shot, they need to be killed.
And my point in saying that is because that will be the more merciful option.
Because what will end up happening is you'll have a handful of people that get killed, and then thousands of people that don't experience the misery of coming and then having to be removed, families split up, and all this kind of stuff.
That is the more merciful option.
That is the way biblical justice is done.
One or two die, one is punished, and the rest stand in fear.
That's the Bible's law.
That'll be way fewer than the number that die of dehydration trying to cross the desert.
Amen.
So, no illegal immigration, absolutely zero.
Upon threat of death.
And then virtually no legal immigration.
That means a few exceptions.
If I was king for the day, it would be you'd have to be Christian.
You would have to be compatible.
Christian's not enough.
Okay, so let's pause for a second.
There's so many jokes I want to say.
Here's one, okay?
I was just skimming the internet and came up with this joke because apparently some people don't quite understand this.
I'll pose it as a question.
All right, so it's multiple choice, there's just two options A and B. Right, so you got a 50% chance.
Now, if you are a Christian and you live in America and you're over the age of 50, then there's about a hundred percent chance that you'll get this wrong, even though it's a 50 50, even though it's 50 50.
There's a hundred percent chance you'll get the question wrong.
But for the two of you, you're both under the age of 50, and so I feel like you have a bright future.
I'm hopeful.
Here's the question If I make a credible profession of faith, a Christian profession of faith, I am entitled to a membership in a biblical church, or Legal universal citizenship in every nation on the planet.
Which one?
Man.
By virtue of being a Christian, in other words, I immediately am entitled to belonging to a local church and membership or being a legal citizen.
I'm going to have to vote a friend.
Yeah, Alex.
Now, the reason I, you know, and it's a little facetious, sadly, it's not even that facetious.
It's like, some guys really will fail that question.
They pretend as though nature doesn't exist, that Christ just supersedes all of nature and that grace destroys nature rather than elevating and restoring nature.
And And they would basically just say that if so and so is a Christian, if there's a Christian man in Haiti and he moves here and he's not a citizen, but he did come legally and he moves here and he's a good Christian man, then why wouldn't we want him?
Like he should be able to be here.
And if there's a Christian guy from China, if there's a Christian guy, and no, that's not the way nations work.
No, he's a Christian, praise God.
We praise God for that.
He's our brother in Christ.
But I don't have a universal right.
I don't have citizenship in China.
I can't just walk into China and say, Hey, it's okay.
I'm a Christian.
Don't worry.
Don't worry, guys.
I'm a Christian.
Nor could you fit in the church there.
They would have no ability to minister to you.
You go for dinners, it would be awkward.
You're trying to translate through Google Translate.
You could spend five years learning the language, you still wouldn't be there.
You wouldn't fit.
And vice versa, they also wouldn't fit.
Even in the church, the gathering of the saints, who will all be on the final day, united and one together, still maintaining our distinctions, as Revelation says.
Like you just.
You wouldn't fit because there's natural categories like language and food and culture and habit and loves and history that matter.
Yep.
Yep.
And so, all that being said, no illegal immigration.
And then, with legal immigration, Christian absolutely would be first for me.
Yep.
If Joel was king for a day, you'd have to be a Christian.
But it would not be only for me.
It's not enough.
It's not enough.
So, Christian, yes.
But then, furthermore, are you compatible with America?
Are you compatible with America?
Haiti is not compatible with America.
Right.
It's not.
It's just not.
Whereas England is.
Well, maybe not anymore.
It used to be.
We thought of England.
But it's more compatible.
And so it'd be are you Christian?
Are you compatible with America?
And that would be first and foremost do you speak English?
Do you have an English European history?
And then beyond that, okay, and what can you contribute?
Are you an engineer?
Are you a doctor?
Yeah.
Oh, you're a pastor?
We've got enough.
Do you know that many other nations do this?
Australia regularly does this.
They update what they need as a nation and then they give preference to those kind of visa seekers.
And then if you're not what they need that year or that batch of three years, sorry, you're going to go to the bottom of the list for consideration.
Like this is not at all abnormal.
No, it's not abnormal.
The interchangeableness, too.
When Stalin came into power in Soviet Russia, one of the things he did was he killed a lot of the bards in Ukraine.
So these were local traveling individuals that maybe had folk religion, they sold wares.
Because they gave the local area a flavor of individuality.
It's not just I live somewhere, but I live in this town.
And this is my bard and this is my priest.
And communism came in and killed them because for communism, all it is, it's not individuality, it's not culture, it's not lineage, it's not any of these things.
It's mechanical, economic pieces in a cog.
And you can swap them out.
You just assign people capacity, IQ for a doctor.
Who cares?
We'll assign X, Y, and Z to that.
And so if you have this mindset of like a country is just this place and you can plug in X and you can plug in Z, all that will work fine, you have been drastically impacted.
By the ideology of Marxism and communism that thinks of people not again as made by God, man, woman, lineage, history.
You're just, you plug in.
God bless him.
I'm so happy that Elon Musk, like, I'm grateful.
Head of Doge.
And he's red pilling by the day, but he still doesn't get this.
And part of it, he may not get it because he's South African.
But he had a tweet not that long ago.
He was like, we need no illegal immigration, but even more.
Legal immigration is like, no, no, you know, and Trump will say similar things because it's this.
This is what it is.
So I'm going to keep saying it.
It's the post war consensus.
It is tear down.
We're afraid that Hitler will come back one day.
And so anything that Hitler liked must be bad.
Hitler drank water, stop drinking water.
Hitler liked nations, get rid of nationalism.
So you have to have gay, weak, inclusivism, globalism across the board for now and forever.
That's what it is.
That is what it is.
It is the post war consensus.
And it's got to die.
It has to die.
So when Elon, he recently said he compared America to a football team.
Right.
And just like putting on a jersey.
And no, nations are not sports teams.
And you know what's funny is if you try and do that with an actual football team or a soccer team in England, that doesn't go well.
They're like, no, no, no.
You don't get to wear our jersey.
Right.
You're actually from that city.
You're not from this city.
You don't get to root for our team.
Yep.
Nor are you even if you wanted to try to play football.
Yeah.
You haven't trained if you're not.
That's a good point, too.
You're on the right stock.
Yeah.
You don't really belong on the team either.
It'll be a disaster.
Yeah.
They killed a football team.
Yeah.
So, all that being said, let's go back to the statement, bring it up again the denial.
About the ethnic partiality.
Yeah.
So, now let's get into ethnic partiality.
So, first, when we said, further, we deny that sovereign nations must only be composed of mono ethnic populations to be united under God.
What we're saying there is, We're saying that we're not saying that there's anything illegitimate about Japan.
Right.
But we're saying that, but America also is a nation.
It is.
And I understand that it functions and has the trappings, in some sense, more of an empire.
But it is a nation.
And in the ways that it's not a nation, we want it to become a nation.
The founding fathers thought they were birthing a nation.
They wrote very explicitly about that.
And we'd like to get back to that.
And what we're saying is that in the meantime, until we get back to that, and when we get back to that, America will never be like Japan because it's not the history of America.
Because that's just the reality.
When you discover a massive landmass and Spain is coming in and France is coming in and England is coming in and we're transporting slaves and all these different things, then you don't get to have a mono ethnic nation.
You can have a predominantly mono ethnic nation because it was predominantly Great Britain.
So, Anglo Protestant, we must have a mono culture.
We've said that a million times.
As right response ministries.
The mono culture, not ethnos, not ethnicity, but culture is Anglo Protestant, meaning it is Protestant, but not just any kind of Protestant.
It is a British Protestant.
It is the Protestantism of the Puritans, of the Reformers that came from England with the founders and the covenanters here in America.
That is our culture.
And that does need to be mono.
We don't need any other culture.
We need that mono culture of Anglo Protestant.
Now, in terms of Anglo Saxon, in terms of mono, We're not going to have that because it's not the beginning of our nation.
However, that said, I do think that we can make improvements and we must.
We must.
And what do you mean, improvements?
Why do you have to say it like that?
Look, if Japan is kicking out white people, it's an improvement.
For Japan.
So I'm not saying it's an improvement because the percentage of whiteness goes up.
And so whiteness is just an improvement across the board.
No, it's an improvement here because that's our heritage.
That's our nation's heritage.
It would not be an improvement for Ghana.
It would not be an improvement for Zambia.
This is not a white supremacy thing.
This is just saying that people are allowed to have nations.
And if they're not, what the hell are we talking about?
I don't.
We have bought so deep into this fake and gay globalism that we can't even see straight anymore.
Heritage vs White Supremacy00:14:27
So, yeah, America needs to kick a bunch of people out.
And you start with people who are here illegally.
You start with that.
Beyond that, there may be people who are here legally.
And I'm not talking about citizens, but people.
Legally.
What?
Did you say illegally?
Legally.
Legally.
No, illegally.
Legally.
Legally.
But they're not citizens.
They have a work visa, they have a green card, they have something like that.
But they really shouldn't be here.
They're not here to bolster America.
They don't love the Lord Jesus Christ.
That's first and foremost.
Second, they're not compatible with America.
They don't love apple pie.
They don't love George Washington.
They don't know our history.
They don't know our heritage.
They're not American.
They're not European.
They're not anything close to our heritage.
The thing is, even the idea of the work visa, when Solomon built the temple, he had workers come from Lebanon because they were the most skilled in the world.
They came and they did their thing.
And you know what they did?
They went back home.
They went back home.
I'm sure they missed their wives and their children the entire time they were in Israel.
Because they actually loved their nation.
Yes.
Part of the reason that we have what's going on in the world today is it's not just because America has a problem, the world has a problem.
Everybody hates their nation.
Yes.
Yep.
It's really sad.
It's really sad, but Haitians hate their nation.
And to be fair, who could blame them?
There's a word.
Haiti is, Donald Trump was right when he said it was, what did he say, a hellscape or something?
I won't say it on stream, but it was, yeah.
It was worse than that.
It was a coward.
It was a coward.
Oh, he said he went that far.
Okay, so I wouldn't have used that language.
I wouldn't have used it.
I know what you mean.
Yeah, the S H I I T.
So I wouldn't have used that language.
But here's the thing, though.
Here's the thing.
And there's reasons for it.
Even for people who live in very disadvantaged nations, we'll put it that way.
Yes.
They love their nation.
They serve their nation.
There's a proper love.
They should.
It's obligatory.
Yes.
One of the things Paul accuses, he says, of wicked men, this is in Romans 1 and in 2 Timothy 3.
He says they are without, and the King James renders it.
Without natural affection.
The Greek word there is astorgos.
And it means without familial love.
The nation is the family writ large, is what he says.
And he's describing wicked men.
They're haughty, they're insolent, they're idolatrous, they're immoral, and they are without natural affection.
They are astorgos.
That's beautiful and so helpful.
And it's just the best alley oop for another one of my jokes.
So let me get the guys to my right, those who are further on my right.
So, Nathan, pull back up the denial.
Let's go to ethnic, sinful ethnic partiality, real quick.
So, the last sentence, therefore, as Christian nationalists, we utterly repudiate sinful ethnic partiality in all its various forms.
So, I saw some of the guys on my right saying, that's not a thing.
It doesn't exist.
He's just trying to, you know, basically, he knows that if he says we utterly repudiate racism in all its various forms, he knows that that's F O T R, you know, that's about as fake and gay as you can get.
And so, he's smart enough not to say the magical spell, you know, racism, the fake sin of racism.
So, he's making up a term, you know, sinful ethnic partiality.
I hear you.
I honestly, I've been watching on Twitter and, you know, X, and I actually enjoy reading it.
Like the comments on the right?
Because I'm like, because I appreciate the sentiment.
Some of the guys go too far, I think.
But a lot of the guys on the right, they're saying, Joel, this is gay.
Joel, come on, man.
Like, we just defended you.
Can you even be farther right and still be a Christian?
Yes, yes.
You're not the gatekeeper?
Yeah, there are guys to my right who are brothers in Christ, and I love them.
Good men.
Yep, good men.
So some of the guys to my right, you know, giving me a hard time.
And I read it, and I'm like, I'm here for it.
I love it.
I love that you guys are giving me a hard time.
I get it.
So, because.
I get what you're saying.
But here's back to Wes's point here.
So Wes said that Paul literally says that if there's not this familial love, spell it out against it.
And Storgos.
So Storgos would be familial love, and then A is the negation.
So the Greek word would be astorgos, without natural negation.
So if any man doesn't, a man who hates his own nation, right?
Okay, so with that phrase now, to the guys on my right, let me pose this as a question sinful ethnic partiality, sinful ethnic partiality, the thing that you don't think exists, or it's not a thing.
It's just, he's just using a, witty placeholder for racism so that we'll call them gay once instead of calling them gay twice online.
Okay, so what if a Brit, an English white dude, says, you know what, since early childhood, as early as I can remember, I've always loved Japan more than England?
Would that be sinful ethnic partiality?
Would it be sinful?
Yeah.
So, you guys on my right, and I love you guys, you hear all the disclaimers we just said, I love you guys.
But, you guys on my right, you would be the first to say that a guy who is showing partiality to a nation that's not his own is being sinful.
Yep.
And if he's showing partiality on the basis of ethnos, ethnic partiality, and it is a partiality towards a particular ethnicity that is not his own, that he's loving and preferring over his own to even the cost and detriment of his own people.
Preferring those of another nation sending, he's the first guy to.
So, for instance, here would be an example.
You know what sinful ethnic partiality is?
Here's an example.
Guys in the United States government with dual citizenship, and you know what the other country is?
It's Israel.
I was about to say, do Israel.
Don't do the UK or Japan.
No, do Israel.
Let's do it.
Let's go there.
Because none of this is anti Semitic.
It's perfectly logical and perfectly righteous.
We should not have anyone.
In a federal position of government in these United States who has dual citizenship.
That's my opinion.
Your loyalties, your fidelity, your allegiances should lie exclusively, not just prioritize, but exclusively with these United States of America, or you should not be in a position of power.
You have been appointed as a civil father over a civil family to care, as Calvin and Thomas Watson said, as a nursing father to your civil children.
And if you're taking the children's bread from your children and giving it to somebody else's children, that Is sinful ethnic partiality.
Yep.
So, Mike Johnson, you know, saying, How can we squeeze out another billion for Israel?
You know, or, and all while a Christian, I remember people were getting excited.
They're like, Is this Christian nationalism?
You know, the meme.
That's right.
You know, because Mike Johnson prays, you know, every morning in his office, you know, with his team before they start the day and blah, blah, blah.
And I remember all the way back then, I was like, Mm mm.
Like, because people were coming up to me because I was a Christian nationalist guy and they're like, Joel, you're probably stoked, right?
Yep.
Zero retweets from Joy.
I was like, uh uh.
Because I knew that as much as the guy may be a Christian, he may genuinely be a brother in Christ, but whatever allegiance he has to Christian, he also has to Israel.
Mike Johnson is a Judeo Christian.
And there is a difference between Christian and Judeo Christian.
He is a Judeo Christian.
In the same way, he is not just America first.
He is an America Israel.
So, at the national level, political level, there's America and then there's America Israel.
At the religious level, there's Christian and then there's Judeo Christian.
And when I signed up, just for the record, when I signed up two and a half years ago for this whole Christian nationalism thing, I signed up because I thought.
That I was signing up for Christian nationalism.
If I had been told that I was signing up for Judeo Christian nationalism, I wouldn't have enlisted.
I, two and a half years later, all this time has passed, and I still care about Christian nationalism.
I have no interest in Judeo Christian nationalism.
Zero.
So I care about my country.
I care about, first and foremost, my Lord Jesus Christ.
He did actually.
There was a second coming, a spiritual second coming, a perusia.
My Lord came and visited Israel.
And he did come a second time in 8070.
And he raised it, R A R I Z.
He raised it to the ground.
He leveled it.
He used Titus as his instrument.
He destroyed the temple so that not one stone was left on it.
He destroyed all the birth records so that they couldn't even prove lineage anymore if they tried to.
He destroyed it all.
The Lord Jesus did that, my Lord, He did that.
Because Jesus has no interest in Judeo Christian nationalism.
Because Jesus does not share glory in a pantheon of false gods.
Judaism is a lying, false religion from the pit of hell.
And so, all that being said, you don't think sinful ethnic partiality is a thing, all you guys on my right?
Okay.
Well, Pastor Joel gotcha.
I got you guys.
Because Mike Johnson, preferring Israel, Over his nation that he's been elected to serve is an ethnic partiality for another people that is sinful.
It's wrong.
So, ethnic partiality can actually be sinful.
Let me give you one more, too, historically.
W is in the chat.
TKO.
It's confirmed.
I won.
Okay, go ahead.
This was 1930s Germany, law for the prevention of genetically diseased offsprings.
It was a law requiring sterilization of individuals that had diseases.
It was expanded by amendment in 1935 and it required.
Acquired sterilization of what was a group called the Rhineland bastards.
So it was the mixed race children of German civilians and French African soldiers who helped occupy the Rhineland.
So it took an ethnos, a group of people, and it said, You will be sterilized.
It's not, Hey, we have to deport you.
You belong elsewhere.
Sterilizing, you will never have kids.
And that's wicked.
That's on the basis of ethnos doing something wicked.
And Christians should repudiate that.
That's not on the table for a Christian magistrate to just sterilize a portion of your population because of that.
Children are wonderful.
Children are a blessing.
That is not permissible.
Yeah.
Helpful?
Yep.
So, all that being said, yeah, when we say sinful ethnic partiality, what we're saying is that there actually is a way of treating one whole people group sinfully based solely on the fact that they're a people group.
So, when Paul quotes a Cretian prophet, one of their own, that they're all liars and lazy gluttons, Paul is not committing sinful ethnic partiality.
Of course not.
Because he's saying something, number one, he's quoting one of their prophets.
And, but he's not just quoting a prophet.
He's not just using, he's not just being satirical or this or that.
You know, so and so said, because he does, you have to finish the text.
He does follow it up and say, and this is true.
Yep.
Paul affirms it.
He says, One of your own guys said this about your people, and he nailed it.
He nailed it.
Now, was the Apostle Paul sinning?
And I would say, Absolutely not.
So, sinful ethnic partiality, one way to commit that sin would be to love another people at the cost of your own.
AKA, if you need examples, again, just look at US politicians, especially the ones who are in bed with Ukraine and Israel.
Okay, that's one way to commit the sin.
Another way to commit the sin is if Paul had said that about Crete, but it'd be slander.
And it's actually not true.
If the Cretans were actually stand up Christian people who were not liars, who held truth as their highest virtue, and then hard work and diligence as their second greatest virtue, and then Paul, and it was actually one of their own, a prophet who was slandering his people, and then Paul took a slanderer of the Cretans.
And then Paul boosted him.
Let's say, for instance, Paul retweeted this guy on X. Like this guy, one of the Cretan prophets, slanders.
Cretans are salt of the earth people.
This guy completely slanders them, says something that's totally untrue.
And then Paul, you know, and does it in a video.
And then Paul, you know, goes ahead and pushes it out.
Right.
Well, that would be a sin.
Certainly, that would be a sin.
I'm on fire today.
I told you I'm having blitz.
I went to Costco.
I went to Costco.
We need to talk to your wife to get your Costco trips every week.
Every week on Wednesday.
Maybe Mabel's going to be coming in in a second.
I mean, there's just so many W's in the chat.
We can't even.
Can we just get a commercial break?
Yes, we should.
But I hope that you see my point.
So, Paul did not sin when he said that about the Cretans because it was true.
The Cretans sinned.
And that doesn't mean that they couldn't be converted because remember, Paul leaves Titus in Crete.
That's how he starts the book.
For this reason, I've left you in Crete to put what.
So, Paul, he was not saying, and therefore the Cretans are a special class of people.
That are actually subhuman and actually don't even have souls and can't be saved.
Now that's sinful.
Paul doesn't say that.
He leaves one of his top dudes, Timothy and Titus, he leaves him in Crete to do what?
To plant churches and to set up elders in these churches.
Cretans, so Paul actually thinks they'll be at least on the whole, Cretans kind of suck right now.
Right.
That's Paul's view.
But individually, right?
Because we can speak in group dynamics.
In generalities, it doesn't mean every.
Paul still says, Titus, you need to put some guys as elders.
So, what does Paul, what can we assume from that?
He believes that there are at least some individual Cretans who are qualified to be pastors.
Right.
Good men.
And Titus needs to identify them, he needs to appoint them, and they're going to be preaching the gospel.
And what does Paul fully anticipate will happen in the island of Crete?
People will get saved, and it'll change.
That this prophet, one of their own, who said these negative things about Crete, Paul comes behind him and says, It's true.
I've been there.
They kind of suck, but they won't always suck.
Because the gospel changes things.
Sinful Ethnic Partiality Explained00:09:49
So, all that being said, sinful ethnic partiality, one way you can do it is loving foreigners over your own people and at the cost of your people.
I think that that's simple and wrong.
I actually do.
And all the reformers would have thought that that was wrong.
We're to love our own first.
And that doesn't, here's the deal loving your own doesn't necessitate that you hate anybody else.
Right.
So, the other way, so one way you can sin is a lack of love for your own.
Another way you can sin is a presence of unfounded, unjustifiable hatred for those who are not your own.
So, again, if all those things were not true of the Cretans and Paul had just put in Holy Scripture, talk about, I mean, that's like the retweet of all retweets.
You know, like you take their prophet and you put it in the Bible.
Take up another reason.
If he just boosted and gave oxygen to a slanderer saying something that was untrue about the Cretans, Then I think that that would be sinful ethnic partiality.
You are hating the Cretans and saying something about them that's not true.
And you're saying it about an entire, what makes it ethnic?
You're saying it about an entire ethnos, an entire ethnic group of people.
So when someone says, the last thing I'll say real quick, because it gets into the anti Semitism kind of stuff and whatever.
But if somebody says, if somebody's in my church and he says, I believe that Talmudic Judaism as an ideology, not running in the veins, not the blood, Of the Jewish people in terms of ethnos, ethnicity.
But in terms of the ideology, the religion of Talmudic Judaism, which is uniquely pernicious against Christ, it is.
Quran, send you to hell, right?
Buddhism will send you to hell.
Hinduism will send you to hell.
Every major world religion other than Christianity is false and therefore evil and therefore a lie and therefore, if believed, will send you to hell.
They're all bad, in other words.
But Talmudic Judaism, Is uniquely, it stands out above them.
It is uniquely pernicious in its hostility, its blatant hostility towards the person and work of Jesus Christ.
The Quran denies Jesus' deity.
You believe it, you'll go to hell.
Buddhists deny his deity, you'll go to hell.
Hindus deny it, you'll go to hell with any of those.
But they all esteem Christ to some degree.
They either say he's a good guy or a good teacher or a good prophet, or they say he actually was a miracle worker or this.
They just don't say he's the son of God.
But Talmudic Judaism doesn't say, hey, he's a good guy.
We're just denying his deity.
Talmudic Judaism hates Jesus.
So here's the deal not ethnic running in blood, okay?
Not by way of DNA, but by way of religion and ideology.
Ideas have consequences.
If there's a religion that is particular to one ethnic group, certainly other people can convert, right?
I'm not denying that.
But there's one country, one plot of land.
Says this is our religion, and most of those who adhere to the religion, a lot of them live in that country.
And then in that country, okay, because I'm gonna be fair here, let's say the majority don't actually practice Talmudic Judaism because a lot of people don't.
Well, here, this is the way that I would argue it's the same as Christianity.
Right now, I believe that less than half, oh, yeah, I would bet on this far less than half of our country is actually regenerate.
Right.
Yep.
In other words, well over half of Americans are not Christians in the truest sense.
Right.
Although I would still argue, though, that America, by its heritage, by its customs, by its culture, by its history, by all these things, by its law system, is a Christian nation.
So that's why Richard Dawkins can call himself a cultural Christian.
That's why Elon Musk recently called himself a cultural Christian.
And that's why they can get upset about foreign invasion of Muslims, particularly.
Because wait a second.
It's like you might be tempted, as a regenerate Christian, as a true Christian, to say, you don't have a dog in the fight.
Shut up.
You don't get to have a say.
But even they recognize, and I think at some degree they're right.
Elon Musk is not a Christian, not in the true sense, not regenerate, neither is Richard Dawkins or any of these guys.
But they're saying, no, no, no, we don't want to be invaded by Muslims because we're cultural Christians and that matters to us.
Well, likewise, there is such a thing as cultural Judaism.
And a false religion, any major false religion, is pernicious.
It has far reaching lies.
But that false religion, I believe, is uniquely pernicious due to its unique hostility to Christ, which Islam does not share, Buddhism doesn't share, Hinduism doesn't share, only Talmudic Judaism.
And even if, so for all those who would play the devil's advocate, Advocate and say, but only 20%, it's less than half that actually practice Talmudic Judaism.
Okay, see everything I just said about how it works with Christianity.
Yeah.
Israel, and now talking about it according to ethnic, not just religious, but those who are ethnically Jewish, even if they don't practice Talmudic Judaism, have been influenced by a Talmudic Judaic culture that is uniquely hostile towards.
Christ and Christian values.
So if I have someone in my church, all the way back to this example, and he says, I believe that Jewish people in general, in general, not each and every individual one, and they can be converted, and I love them and want their conversion.
I wish them a very pleasant conversion to Christianity, and they're worthy of our evangelistic efforts, and I don't wish physical harm on any of them, and blah, all those things.
But he says, but I do believe.
As a people group, even those who don't practice Talmudic Judaism, they've been shaped by that ideology and that religion, so that on the whole, in a general sense, not each and every individual, but a general sense, there's a unique subversion, desire to subvert specifically Western Christian countries in some harmful ways.
And I'm concerned about that.
And I'm definitely concerned about a guy with Israeli citizenship serving.
At the federal level in my government, I would like to not have that dual citizenship, guys.
And I'd also like to stop sending trillions of dollars.
If a guy says that, that is not sinful ethnic partiality.
And it's not racist.
And it's not anti Semitic.
And yes, that guy I will go to bat for.
That guy will not be under church discipline.
And I will defend him even if all of Medieval comes at me.
So when we say sinful ethnic partiality, that's an example of what it's not.
That would actually be a permissible view to hold because it's defensible.
It's not a pure hatred wishing someone harm, people harm, but it is believing something in general, something generally negative about a general group, but something that I believe can be defended.
I like that you said earlier unjustified hatred specifically, because there is a biblical category, and it's not the main event or the main focus, but there is a category of hate.
And as far as the public enemy goes, like the Crusaders, Like they hated the invading Muslim Arab hordes.
They were coming in, they were ravishing their women, destroying their cities, pillaging the land, and they had a justified hatred towards them.
Now, not everyone has acted so violently and combatively against people groups.
There has to be a reason, but I would even say, maybe you would disagree with me, there is a category, even of justified hatred of a people group.
Now, the individuals, we are called to love our enemies.
So, an individual Muslim, perhaps that's captive, you share with him the gospel of Jesus Christ.
And if he's beaten up, if he's beaten up and left for dead, And proximity is part of the argument and the ethical argument here.
And you cross his path, you should be willing to take him to a doctor.
And a medic would try and treat him on the battlefield.
Right.
Exactly.
So, individually, as individual people, not a personal enemy, but a public enemy.
Yes.
Public enemy is a thing.
Part of the reason evangelicals can't understand this is they don't understand politics.
And we had an evangelical who tried to help us understand politics about two and a half years ago, and they all called him a heretic and started burning his book, namely Stephen Wolf.
Yep.
We are, man, we're in poor shape.
All right, let's.
Last thing I'll say.
Last thing I'll say.
But if you slander a people group, it's unjustifiable.
No, that's not.
So let's say Zambians are particularly generous.
Now, it works on the flip side also.
So some individual Zambians are thieves and steal.
They're not generous at all.
But on the whole, group dynamics in general, Zambians are known for immense generosity.
Well, if other peoples, other nations, Americans or whatever, Ugandans, start saying Zambians are stingy.
Then I would say that that's sinful ethnic partiality.
You're taking an entire ethnos, ethnic group, and slandering them.
You're slandering them.
And that's wrong.
So I don't know.
Have we addressed it enough at this point sinful ethnic partiality, what it is, what it's not?
I think so.
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The Great Replacement Theory00:03:41
All right, we're back.
All right.
So this is what we're going to have to do because we went long on the whole sinful ethnic partiality clause and on the.
Mono ethnic nations and whether or not that's legitimate.
So, we're going to have to define it.
We're going to have to do that not just next week, but in the next weeks.
So, we're going to continue to deal with the statement and we're going to start dealing also with Michael's book.
He literally has written a 400 page book called What is a Nation?
Well, that's not the name of it, but that's okay.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Well, that's a great name.
What's the name?
It's called In Defense of Christian Nations.
Beautiful.
Amen.
And so, but real quick, just to tease, because we're going to start doing this multiple part series for weeks.
For the coming future, like we need to, we'll probably also hit some big, you know, there'll be some cultural events for that, you know, going on with, you know, Trump and everything.
But what are the five components?
Five components of a nation are, and they all start with L, which is convenient.
Lineage matters.
That is people, blood, family.
When he says lineage, he means.
Yep.
Yep.
So it's lineage, land, language, laws, and shared loves.
Okay.
Say it one more time.
Lineage, land, language, laws, And shared loves.
Great.
And worship goes in there, but I couldn't figure out an L for it.
So it's in the expanded definition.
Okay.
So, but the point here is that we do not believe that a nation is anything less than blood.
Yeah.
What we're saying though is that it's more than blood.
And additionally, what we're also having to get into the weeds with is the complexity of the unique situation of our nation, which is America.
Right.
And our history and our origin.
You have to deal with that.
You can't just pretend that America is Great Britain.
It's not.
I remember Daryl Cooper talking on Tucker Carlson saying how he's uniquely grieved and the displacing, even more than the great replacement is happening everywhere.
It's happening in America, no doubt.
They've literally come out, the leftists, our own politicians, Chuck Schumer literally came out and said, Yeah, we're doing it and it's good.
We've reached that point where at first it's like, We're not doing it.
And then it's like, Okay, we're doing it and it's good.
And so the Great Replacement is happening here in America, but Darrell Cooper, you know, he especially lamented the Great Replacement as it's going on in Great Britain because he said, like, for a thousand years, over a thousand years, you know, but like a thousand years, that's been the only little spot of land on planet Earth.
Right.
Yeah.
That belonged to these people.
And it's not like America's history.
It didn't start with, you know, 20% Black people, you know, and Indigenous people.
You know, and then the Irish come in and the Scottish, like, no, no, for a thousand years, it's been the Englishman.
It's been that guy.
It's been his home.
It's his home.
And if England decided, like, we're just going to be Englishmen, that would be permissible and that would be a legitimate.
And so he's grieving, you know, Darrell Cooper was grieving that, saying that this replacement of this nation is just an act of war.
Nobody voted on this.
Nobody asked, can you displace us from our own homeland and have a Muslim call to prayer wake us up every morning?
Right.
They have been warred by their own people, their own magistrates.
It's wicked.
It's a wicked betrayal.
It's treason.
It's treason against the people of Great Britain.
So, my point is back to Michael's no one with right response ministries is denying lineage as one of the key components of nationhood.
America's National Covenant With God00:12:31
Right.
Of course.
And no one is denying land.
Nations are not a set of propositions, nations are not economic zones.
Nations are particular people, particular place, particular people, particular place.
But it's also more than that.
And so we'll get into, you know, biblically, we'll talk about Israel.
And those, it's like, well, what about Israel?
You know, you have Rahab and Ruth, and not just Rahab and Ruth, but you have literally hundreds and thousands that graft in from other.
And we're aware of that.
We're aware of the tribe of Benjamin.
We're aware of all these things.
We're aware.
But here's the deal you can pack on to a framework, to a skeleton, but you can't have no framework to begin with.
You can't have no skeleton to begin with.
So, Anyway, so we'll get into more of those things.
What is a nation?
And we'll break down those five components, talk more about lineage and land, loves and law and language, all those kinds of things.
But for today, we want to try to get to the questions, and I'm going to bring Mabel in, and then I guess we'll have to say the rest for this series.
Yeah, that'd be great.
All right, let's do some questions.
Does Joel believe God has a specific covenant with America?
I believe America has a specific covenant with God.
Is the way that I would word it.
I believe that we still make covenants.
So the marriage covenant is all I need is one example to prove the principle.
The marriage covenant is not the new covenant.
Here's the problem with Baptists, okay?
I'm a Baptist.
The problem with Presbyterians is that they take the new covenant and they stretch it so thin and so far as to envelop and cover everything.
The problem with Baptists is that they don't overstretch the new covenant, but they pretend as though the new covenant is the only covenant that there is during this gospel age.
And that's just not biblical.
The Bible doesn't say, you know, there was this covenant and this covenant and this covenant, and then there's the new covenant.
And once you have the new covenant, there can be no other covenants whatsoever.
There's just one covenant in existence throughout the entirety of the gospel age that is the new covenant.
That's just not what the Bible says.
So, one example would be the covenant of marriage marriage is a covenant, it's not the new covenant.
Jesus expressly says, even that people will not be married nor given in marriage in the life to come.
So, marriage won't transcend like the new covenant does, it's not eternal.
Earthly marriage is not eternal, although it's still, although it's not eternal, and therefore it is not part of the new covenant, earthly marriage, it is still a covenant.
It's a covenant.
Well, I believe that there is such a thing in this gospel age as national covenants.
I think that nations can be, they can covenant with Satan, they can throw their lot in with demons and with false gods, but they also can covenant with Christ.
And I believe that our founders did, that they covenanted with Christ.
So I don't believe that God has a special covenant with America.
I do believe that, but I think the better way to word it is that America has a special covenant with God, that our fathers, our founders, made a covenant with God, a national covenant.
It's not the new covenant.
It's not a saving covenant like the new.
It's not an eternal covenant.
It's a temporal, earthly covenant that America made with God.
And currently, we are breaking that covenant and have been doing so for a very, very long time.
And that's part of why we're under judgment, because we are breaking a covenant that our fathers made with God, that this land would be.
And this people would be a people and a land, a nation that loved him and served him and upheld righteousness and justice.
And we've turned our back on the Lord Jesus Christ.
But America, the judgment that we see on America is not because America is not a Christian nation.
It's because America has had a covenant with God and we've been in the process of breaking it.
I'll tease out one of the chapters in the books, but Isaiah 24 5 says, The earth lies defiled under its inhabitants.
So this is all of the earth, not just Israel.
For they have transgressed the laws, violated the statutes, and broken the everlasting covenant.
And I think Sam O'Ranahan points out that when God makes a covenant with, every time there's a covenant between God and a human entity, God initiates it.
So people can make covenants together.
Like I can initiate a covenant with you or the marriage covenant.
But biblically, God always initiates the covenant.
One of the things I argue in the book is that nations are covenantal structures.
And every nation has the choice or not to uphold the covenant.
That God establishes when He gives it the status of a nation, because that comes with certain privileges, certain duties, certain rights in God's eyes.
And so, the reason why God is just in wiping out wicked nations is because they violate the covenant that He establishes with them in bringing them into being in the first place.
I like that.
Yep.
Acts, I think it's 17, He sets their borders and their times.
And so, you're saying every nation upon its origin, upon its creation by God, which is a sovereign providential work that He does.
That every nation is kind of brought up by God, and therefore, because God brings him up with the moral obligation of, as all things that God's created, everything that God created has the moral obligation to glorify him.
A bird has to glorify God by being a bird, and a mountain, and a tree, and then human individual image bearers of the living God.
But then also collectively, in a corporate sense, as nations, God doesn't just create individuals knitting us together in their womb, but He also knits nations together.
In time and history and place.
And because he is also the author and creator of nations, also, nations, therefore, like all other pieces of creation, have a moral obligation, a binding effect to glorify him.
And so, in a sense, you could say that nations like America, what they've done is they've actually taken that obligation seriously and they've sought to ratify it under the name of Christ, even.
I like it.
Yep.
That's good, Michael.
There's one question.
You should write a book.
It's not highlighted, but.
It's not out yet, by the way.
When it's out, we will.
You will.
Hear about it.
We'll put it on the center of the table.
You'll hear about it.
Yeah, we'll put it on the center of the table.
That'd be great.
Someone asked a question.
It's not up there, but so I don't have your name.
What is Talmudic Judaism?
So they understand kind of the Judaism part, the Jews, the Old Testament.
Hit us, Wes.
And that's a great question.
I grew up using the word Judeo Christian.
And in my mind, it was Old Testament.
Me too.
I didn't know.
New Testament.
It was Christian.
And so you would think, well, they kind of have the first half, they're just kind of missing the second half.
What's been laid over the Old Testament, specifically the law and the Torah.
So for Christianity, we now understand the Old Testament in light of the New.
Through Christ.
Christ illuminates the Old Testament.
For Judaism, the work is the Talmud.
The Talmud is this, it's a running commentary.
It's huge.
It's a commentary on the laws and the customs.
And it, I don't know how you would describe it, Michael, so much of it is getting into the minutiae and just like Pharisaicalism.
Yeah.
Where they went through and they said, well, you can get out of this requirement.
Exactly.
That's exactly what the Pharisees were doing in Jesus' day.
Yep.
Except imagine 2,000 years worse and followed by many more people for a long time.
And made worse and worse and worse and worse.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's just worse.
I'll try to be like discreet about it, but like, there's, Like on laws, we're guarding relations.
There's page after page of commentary on some of the most gross, perverse things.
Now you can technically get out of the requirement.
There's lots of hatred for a Gentile.
Go for it.
Isn't, what is it, was it six years of age or nine years of age?
I think a boy, nine years of age, in terms of imputing guilt.
Right.
And it talks about a fully grown man, if a fully grown man sleeps with a boy, And he's, I think, nine or under that age, then because of his youthfulness and like that, basically guilt can't be imputed to the man.
Not to the boy who was raped.
Right.
But to the full grown man who raped him.
Yep.
So you're good.
There's another passage where you're not allowed to.
Hashtag Talmud.
Where you're not allowed to.
There's a classic verse.
A lot of vitriol for Gentiles, Goyim, and you're not allowed to lie to them, but say one of them falls in a pit and they're distressed.
What you can do to them is you can say, like, oh, I'm going to get help and leave them there.
So you can say, like, oh, I was going to get help.
You haven't technically lied.
You reassure them.
You leave them in distress.
And you can leave them to die in the pit.
So it's a common sense.
Because your intention when you left may have been, I'm going to go get help.
And oops, I re diverted and went and.
There's a wire that runs all through New York City that helps lay out.
It expands the interior of a home so that on Sabbath, Jews can go outside New York City.
But because there's a wire that encircles it, it's all considered the interior of a home.
And this is what the Talmud is it's laid on top of the Old Testament as a commentary and a lens.
Perverting and distorting, mixing up and negating all the teachings, of course, of Christ of the Old Testament, but of Moses.
So, when we talk of Talmudic Judaism, we're not talking about the Torah, we're not talking about God's law, we're talking about centuries of laid on top of it that utterly destroys it.
Right.
So, the easiest way I could explain it is I remember when I was younger, I thought Judaism is just Christianity minus the New Testament, right?
Because we both share the Old Testament, the Torah, you know, but the problem is.
This is the problem both Christianity and Judaism both have their own New Testament.
Something new.
And it's our New Testament that helps us to exegete and properly interpret and understand the Old Testament.
We understand Isaiah because we read Paul.
We understand, it's the apostles commissioned by Christ, writing under inspiration of the Holy Spirit, that draw so many of the riches out of the Old Testament to draw out their ultimate meaning.
Their truest interpretation, the highest sense.
And so, my point is I forget who the theologian was, but he said the Old Testament is like a richly furnished room, but dimly lit.
And that it can only be truly seen in the light of Christ in the New Testament.
And so, the New Testament shows you it's like the New Testament is like the light, or like what you said, the lens that illuminates.
Or clarifies the Old Testament to where all of its riches can be appreciated.
Well, Judaism has its New Testament, it has its lens, it has its light.
It's the Talmud.
And what the Talmud does is it takes the Old Testament, we both have the same Old Testament, but our New Testament that focuses on Christ illuminates the Old and draws out its riches.
Their New Testament, the Talmud, perverts the Old.
So it's not that, my point is, Judaism is not half of Christianity, the Bible minus the New Testament, just one Testament, the Old.
No, it's none of Christianity.
It's one of the greatest perversions of Christianity.
It's taking the Old Testament.
It's not the Old Testament missing the new.
It's the Old Testament perverted and twisted beyond recognition by their new testament, namely the Talmud.
And you just need to understand that.
You need to understand this is Talmudic Judaism.
So then this should be the way that you understand those who practice Talmudic Judaism.
But then in a broader sense, that should also be the way you understand Israel as a whole and the Jewish people as a whole.
Again, not each and every individual, because, well, Jews can get saved, praise God, and they do.
Somewhat regularly, but they renounce all of that when they do get saved, they renounce Judaism, amen.
Um, but my point is, this is how you should understand Talmudic Judaism and those Jews who practice it, and those Jews who don't practice Talmudic Judaism but are not converted to Christianity either, and especially those who live in Israel.
Um, they may not be practicing Talmudic Judaism, but just like Richard Dawkins has some cultural Christianity characteristics, there is such a thing as a cultural.
Understanding Talmudic Judaism00:03:59
Judaism characteristics.
Judaism has shaped that people, just like our people have been shaped by Christianity.
Even those who say, I'm an atheist, I'm not a Christian.
So, too, likewise, I would argue for Jews, I'm an atheist Jew, I'm not a Talmudist.
And I would say, well, but you've still been shaped by it.
You've still been shaped by it.
Okay.
Go back up there real quick.
Andrew Perry says, What about missionaries coming here versus going to other countries?
And this is a good question.
And you hear a lot the statement, well, everyone's a missionary, right?
And I grew up in a missionary family.
My parents were missionaries.
My grandparents were missionaries.
I was a missionary.
But that statement, everyone's a missionary, is not true.
Yeah.
Everyone ought to be an evangelist, right?
Right.
We bring the aroma of Christ with us wherever we go.
Yes.
Yes.
We bring the aroma of Christ wherever we go to some of death to death, for others of life to life.
Like 100%.
We're all to be the salt and the light.
We're to be.
To bring the testimony in the presence of Christ wherever we go.
Yes.
But a missionary is a unique category.
It is someone who God, I think, supernaturally enables to have a love for people that's not his own.
Such that, and that gets recognized, qualified man.
And then a church recognizes that he's a qualified man and that God really has given him a love, a supernatural love for people that's not his own, such that he is permitted to leave behind the natural ministry that he would have to his own people.
To go to a separate people and really, if done well, like to try to become like them in a sense, to try to love them as closely as he can to his own, at least for a while, so that he can understand how to bring the gospel to them.
I mean, one of the unique advantages that Paul had was he understood, even though he was a missionary to the Greeks, he still understood their culture.
He read their poets, he knew their philosophy.
A missionary in modern context to a different country.
In some ways, it's almost better if the gospel goes in chains, right?
Where you reach out to a country that's near you that you might already know something about and they reach a country that's near them.
That's not always the case.
But a missionary is a special category.
And I think there's a special sense where missionaries only are permitted for a time to give up the natural ministry and duty that they have to their own people for the sake of taking the gospel to another people.
But even then, I'll tell you guys, I grew up in a missionary household in a foreign country.
And I inherited from my father a love for America that rivals almost none of my friends.
I mean, you guys, yeah, right.
But like he loved America and he was sad to have left it.
And he was always happy to go back.
Vodi Bakum, by the way, is coming back home.
Oh, really?
Yep.
Interesting.
I've seen that announced.
Like he's coming back home to America.
And Vodi Bakum, same kind of thing.
Like he loves America.
He's from Texas.
He's from Texas.
Yeah, from Texas.
Loves football, played college ball, and loves.
You mean that Hulk of a man played college football?
Of course, but loves America and never stopped loving it when he went to Zambia.
But yeah, that's.
Yeah.
Yeah, people, like JD Vance said it well, like people aren't going to die for an economic zone or a set of propositions.
They die, people will defend a home.
A nation can't be anything less than a home, and a home can't be anything less than land, a place.
And a family, people.
And our nation, America, is unique.
And so all those people aren't going to have the same pigment.
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But they do need to be able to say, This is my people.
And they haven't just been my people for 15 minutes.
They've been my people for a while.
And I can track them back to those who settled America and not just those who immigrated and are reaping the benefits.
And then if you are more recent, but you did it through the right channels and you love the Lord Jesus Christ and you love America.
Then you need to earn your keep a little bit.
You need to contribute something.
You need to come here to do something that's not just good for you and your family, but good for our country.
It's good for our country.
And there are a lot of people who do that for the record.
There are.
And praise God for them.
And they need to assimilate in.
They need to make this people their people.
Yes.
Yep.
Yep.
But those who are here illegally must go back.
And some of those who are here legally, but not citizens, will also, not all, but.
Many of those will also have to go there.
I would say, even some citizens who are here for the legal benefits, but not for the people to become part of the people.
Ideally, we will push our culture in a way, not because we hate them, but they'll just be suited in another culture, in another nation.
Right.
Okay, Mabel's here.
We're going to go to our last commercial break, and then we're going to come back and you guys can check her out.
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This is baby Mabel.
She's sleeping right now.
She's probably going to get a little bit upset.
But she was eight pounds, six ounces when she was born.
She was born on November 6th.
We woke up, found that we got Trump coming back.
And then my wife, it's like Mabel knew.
She's like, it's safe to come out.
Because she was due on Friday, which would have been.
Yeah, before.
First.
The first.
Yeah.
She was due on the first.
So she's stuck around for six days.
It's not nothing.
But she just.
She's like, that wicked woman can't come into the world with that wicked woman.
So, as soon as we knew we had Trump, then she was like, it's safe.
She came out.
So, eight pounds, six ounces.
She's been doing really good.
Be praying for my wife.
She's super healthy, had a great delivery, doing good.
But just pray for eating.
All of our kids are just skinny little minis and struggle sometimes with nursing and eating those kinds of things.
And just for the record, I don't ever show my kids.
I get death threats.
People hate me.
It's just not a good idea, I think, on social media, especially with big followings.
But the reason why I'm willing to do it is because I've done it with a couple of my kids when they were this age, when they were babies.
I did it with Franklin, too.
But it's because in two weeks, I won't recognize her, and neither would you.
The newborn baby is just, you know, they just change.
People are asking about Franklin's cough, too.
Oh, Franklin is doing much better.
Much, much better.
That was another thing.
It's like God.
God was so kind.
It's like I was in, there were so many things.
I was in huge controversy.
You know, all of mid Eva was trying to cancel me over hating Jews, which is not true, or defending a Jew hater in my church, which is also not true.
He doesn't hate Jews anymore.
Well, you did defend him.
I did defend him.
Yeah, I did defend him, but he doesn't hate Jews.
Yeah, he's not a Jew hater.
He just said the same things that I said in this podcast today, basically.
You know, hey, you're talking about a people that are influenced by a religion that hates Christ.
You don't think that has an effect?
Which is John Calvin, Martin Bucer, Samuel Rutherford, Mark Luther.
They all talked this way.
We would not excommunicate this man in our church for the same reason that we would not excommunicate every single one of the reformers.
Right.
But apparently, a lot of guys, a lot of reform pastors would.
So, we're not that ministry.
If you're looking for a ministry that is reformed but hates the reformers, we're not the ministry for you.
So, all that being said, Mabel waited for her dad to get out of trouble, which I don't think I'm ever really out of trouble.
You can tell, like, because apologies are, here's the thing about apologies they're easy.
It doesn't take a week to craft an apology.
If they're easy, why have they been so few and far?
Exactly.
Apologies are easy and so therefore they come quickly.
But moving goalposts and the other shoe dropping with a new tactic.
Well, yeah, okay, so he caught us on the church discipline.
Yeah, we did actually say that like eight times, and so caught us there.
But what's really going on, you can tell that blah, blah, blah, blah.
Apologies are easy and therefore they're quick.
When they don't come and things are quiet for a week, I've just gotten to the point in ministry at this point from experience where I just assume that the second shoe is dropping.
And that's why it's silent, is because they're regrouping.
So I expect another attack.
And the thing is, there's nothing else that can be attacked in the case of this member because he hasn't had any contact with these guys since the Zoom call that we did, and the Zoom call's been released to everybody.
You know, at this point it leaked.
You know, I shared it with some and then they leaked it and everybody's got it.
So, all that can happen is they have to go before the Zoom call.
So they have to say, well, here are original text messages from even before the Zoom call from four months ago, five months ago, six months ago, seven months ago.
And my response, I can give you my response right now.
I don't have to wait for another video to drop.
My response is, yeah, you're talking about a young German man.
Who wants to believe the best about his fathers, his people?
And Elon bought Twitter.
And all of a sudden, there's a flood of content that before then was suppressed.
He starts reading, he starts watching, he starts listening.
And for a hot minute, he did go too far.
And that's why I talked to him.
And it wasn't a 15 minute chat.
We talked again and again and again, multiple times.
And Here's the whole deal.
He changed.
He changed.
I thought that's what we were all about as ministers of the gospel repentance.
So, what you heard on the Zoom call, that's after the change.
And since the Zoom call, there's been more change, more positive change.
And the only content that could drop, the second shoe dropping, would be content before the Zoom call, AKA before he started changing, before all of my pastoral work with him and conversations and the Holy Spirit working on his heart.
So, you would have to say, well, but this is still very, very concerning.
Why?
Because he's changed.
You'd have to say it's very, very concerning because he used to be sinful.
In other words, you literally have to engage in the very ministry of Satan.
You have to dredge up forgiven sins that have been repented of.
It's a remarkable thing for any reformed minister of the gospel to do.
So, I hope that that's not what happened.
I've just learned a thing or two.
And over the last few years, and being a lightning rod for controversy and having all of Reformed evangelicals mad at me all the time, I've just learned to expect the worst because that's usually what you get.
I've never been in a more vicious world than Reformed evangelicalism.
I'll say that.
Mark Driscoll, I think, had his problems back in the day.
I don't know anything about him personally now, so I won't speak to that.
But the freedom of Mark Driscoll looks pretty good.
Right, like what if it's uh, what if it's not envy?
I'll confess right now, uh, there are days where I feel like I'm uh, look, you know, sitting in the reformed house, looking through the window, watching Mark Driscoll, you know, whistling and skipping down the street, you know, he's meeting with Trump, he's perfectly happy.
I'm like, calling out weak pastors, yeah, yeah.
I'm like, that guy looks gosh, what would it be like to be Mark Driscoll?
He's probably so happy, so free.
Do you think you think Mark Driscoll, the reformed, you know, the whole reform camp canceled Mark Driscoll, right?
And I think a lot of it was legitimate, um, but do you think Mark Driscoll is like, man.
I wish they'd welcome me back here.
Only Acts 29 would give me one more shot.
Right.
Guys, you just have to realize like the Reform Camp, we are the meanest, most heartless, vicious people ever.
And here's the deal to bring it all the way back to the episode, it should not surprise you at all.
Why?
How do you know that a group is going to be mean to its own?
Well, when they dishonor their own fathers.
If a group, if a culture, Hates their own fathers, then they'll also hate their own people.
And I really don't know any community that is more vicious than Reformed evangelicals.
So I expect another shoe to drop.
And now you don't have to waste your time watching whatever the next shoe is, because the answer is there is no bombshell, there is no smoking gun, there is no evidence other than that which predates the Zoom call, which would mean.
Earlier sins that have been talked about, prayed about, taught, and most importantly, repented of.
Amen.
So praise God for the gospel that whatever elements of real hatred, not made up sin, but real hatred was actually there in this young man's heart, that hatred is not there anymore.
And We're good.
I saw it was a CREC pastor.
I think it's Joshua Haynes pastor.
I forget his name.
But the Secretary of Defense is a member of their church and just selected by, yeah, pretty awesome.
Yeah.
W's in the chat.
Praise God.
So you got a Secretary of Defense, Pete something.
I forget his last name.
Oh, yeah.
And he's a member at Joshua Haynes Church.
And Joshua Haynes is not the pastor.
But, anyways, it seems like a great church.
And, But a lot of Christians, you know, mainly Reformed Christians, again, C.A., most vicious people in the world, but were, you know, jumping on and saying, you know, this guy's not a Christian.
He's a serial adulterer and blah, blah, blah, because he's had affairs in the past.
But his pastor came out and said, yeah, he has sin and he's talked about it openly and publicly.
Like he has a sinful past.
But he's been faithful now for years.
But then the main thing he said was his CREC pastor said, He's a member in good standing in my church.
And that should be enough.
And I remember thinking, Man, I like that.
Can I say that?
He should be a Baptist.
I like that.
How come I couldn't say that?
Right.
A CREC pastor says, look, the guy's a member in my church.
We've extended to him the right hand of fellowship as a member in good standing.
Whatever sin he had is done.
And yeah, like, I, you know, we, he's good.
So move on.
These are not the joys you're looking for.
And I read that today and I just thought, amen.
Amen.
Good on you, CREC pastor.
Yep.
I tried saying that recently.
But, Joel, you don't know what the Lord does.
Maybe the fact that you said it recently made it seem you could say it recently.
Maybe.
I like that.
I'll tell you what I believe instead.
I wish you were right.
I think, instead, unfortunately, serial affairs are more forgivable than breaching the post war consensus.
Yeah.
Respectable sins.
Like, oh, I understand.
Yeah, yeah, you get frustrated at traffic.
Oh, you looked at this.
Oh, like, those are respectable.
I understand you cheated on your wife multiple times.
That is a respectable sin, right?
Seriously.
Yeah.
Well, in comparison, serial adultery is respectable by reformed evangelicals when compared with breaching the post war consensus.
And that, like, if that doesn't make you see that, like, maybe there's a problem.
And I understand you can go too far.
There really are guys who have gone too far.
I believe that.
There are guys who have gone too far, and I don't associate with those guys.
I love those guys.
I think some of them are brothers.
Some of them might not be.
God sees the heart, man looks at the outward appearance.
But in terms of those that I associate with and partner with, Andrew Whisker, Stephen Wolf, Ogden, like Eddie Robles, none of us are Jew haters.
It's not like so.
So, number one, even if we were, it'd be tough to make a case for that being a worse sin than serial adultery.
Yeah, right.
Number two, and this one, don't miss this one.
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We're not.
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We don't even have to ask, but it's not true.
And the closest that you could even say is that a guy in my church started to flirt with it.
Started to flirt with it because he got, he took the whole bottle of red pills at once.
You know, I mean, he like, he had more freedom than he.
Elon buys Twitter and this guy moves out of Germany to America.
Like, I mean, this is a guy who's never, he never even breathed a single breath of freedom before.
And then all of a sudden he gets like, you know, A huge, you know, just overwhelmed by it.
And yeah, and he goes a little bit hardcore.
But he's a great guy, loves the Lord, great theology.
And I think he went too far and he came back.
And his previous pastor, I did him the courtesy.
He was concerned because he loves him.
He used to be a member of his church.
I think he's gone too far.
It's like, okay, well, I've been working on it and I think we're okay now.
Well, let's, me and my elders want to hear.
Okay, great, let's do a meeting.
We did it, it should have been done.
It was never done.
And sadly, I think it's still not done.
And I'm just, the only reason I'm saying all this is just, there's your sign.
There was some comedian back in the day that was his tagline.
He used to say, there's your sign.
Some with a southern draw.
But yeah, that like, when we say there's a problem, this Judeo Christianity, this post war consensus, and we say, like, there really is idolatry here.
There really is idolatry.
It's foreign.
It's foreign to the historic.
Christian faith.
It's foreign to the reformers and the way they thought about things.
It's foreign and it's scary.
The reason I only mention this is just to say that that would be an example.
It's like a serial adulterer, and you say, Hey, stop commenting on this.
This is not your business.
He's a member of my church.
We've examined it, we've settled it.
He's repented.
That's enough.
Shove off.
Pound sand.
And I'm sitting here saying, Amen.
Well said.
So we can do that for serial adultery.
Can we do that?
You get the point.
You get the point.
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The Reformed world cannot.
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