Donald Trump and Stephen Wolfe dissect the 2024 election, projecting a 312 electoral vote victory that secures congressional control. They analyze the shift from race to gender polarization, the rise of "Christian nationalism" via JD Vance, and the strategic necessity of voting for Trump despite his stance on the 19th Amendment. With Georgia called and Pennsylvania projected by two points, hosts argue this mandate offers a crucial window to counter left-wing institutional dominance through culture wars, local governance, and upcoming debates on theonomy versus natural law. [Automatically generated summary]
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America Great Again Returns00:15:15
GN, not M, but N.
Yes.
Good night, brothers and sisters.
So far, man, we are off with a bang.
We would have started live streaming sooner, but, you know, there's guys like Andrew Isker and CJ.
They were holding down the fort.
You know, they hate their kids.
We love our kids.
So we were doing, you know, things like family worship and bedtime and reading those kinds of things.
And so, in a responsible, fatherly way, we are now live streaming.
The kids are in bed.
It's 8 p.m. Central time here in the great Republic of Texas.
Wes, how are we doing in Texas right now?
Up by 10 points, projected to win.
Which is fantastic.
Obviously, Texas has been stronger in the past.
We want to see it stronger in the future.
But there are two big factors, as I'm concerned.
You guys feel free to add another one if you think.
But one, we are a border state and we have a full blown invasion.
And that is part of the problem.
Immigration is absolutely part of the problem in terms of Texas and it turning, you know, Purple ish.
By God's grace, it's still red.
It's not as deep red as it once was.
But the purple ish in Texas, and this is one of the reasons this has been our argument for months now at this point, right?
So we recognize that there are problems with Trump.
Of course there are.
And just for the record, I've seen some guys on the more abolitionist side of the aisle who we love.
But there was one in particular who said, you guys are calling the Christian nationalists are calling Donald Trump the Christian prince.
I don't know anybody who said that.
So we don't think that the Donald is the Christian prince.
But we will take him over Kamala every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
So we're grateful for a Donald Trump scenario.
And part of the argumentation for why is because Texas, as deep red as it once was, will go blue if we don't stop immigration.
California was red for a long time.
You look at old electoral colleges, California's blood red.
And a lot of that was sadly Reagan's fault.
Reagan set the preconditions with some of the bills and legislation that allowed California not only to go blue, but to go blue in such a way that it is, apart from a miracle, It'll never go back.
And so you had, like, I mean, California was a Republican conservative stronghold.
You have Ronald Reagan, he was the governor there, and then, you know, very conservative president.
But he messed up at least in two regards, probably more, but two of them, one being no fault divorce, which in his defense towards the end of his life, he said was the biggest mistake he ever made.
And I think it haunted him to the grave.
He realized that he messed up big time, bigly, as Trump would say.
But in addition to that, he set the conditions through immigration and those kinds of things for California to turn blue.
And the same thing.
We just need to be careful if any man thinks he stands, lest he fall.
And so we just have to recognize that the same thing that happened to California could happen to Texas, could happen to the whole country.
And so that's part of the reason why we unapologetically voted for Trump.
Here I am, a 19th Amendment repealing guy.
Not a respecter, but a repealer.
Disrespecter.
Disrespecter of the 19th Amendment.
And yet, without any hypocrisy at all whatsoever, happily went into the voting booth with my wife.
And we both cast our vote for Trump.
And I heard somebody was like, This is hypocrisy.
He wants to repeal the 19th, but he has his wife voting for Trump.
No, half of my vote was stolen from me before I was ever born.
That's what the 19th Amendment did.
It took the household vote that didn't just belong to men, it belonged to families.
It belonged to families, it belonged to the household.
And we believe in representative government.
Right now, there are people who represent me in my county, in my state, in my country, whether I like it or not, but they still represent me.
And so we believe in representative government.
The individual is not the basic building block or the atom, but ultimately it boils down not to the atomic level, but the molecular level.
The basic building block of any society, any healthy society, is not the individual, but the family.
And each family, each household had one vote.
So it wasn't the male vote, it was the family vote as representative government, even at the level of the household, by the father, by husbandslash father.
And before I was ever born, because of the 19th Amendment, the way I see it is half of my household vote was stolen from me.
And my loving, godly, wonderful wife, what we're practicing is not hypocrisy.
What we're practicing is restitution.
My loving wife said, wicked people stole half of your vote, husband, and I would like to give it back to you.
So there you go.
So we voted for Donald Trump.
Noses were not plugged.
My nose was plugged for Ted Cruz, though.
Let me tell you what.
That's fair.
That's fair.
We need a better candidate in 2028 whenever he comes back again.
So, all that being said, real quick, and then I'll throw it to you.
We voted for Trump, but my point is part of it is because of the full blown invasion when it comes to our southern border, when it comes to immigration.
And the point that I'm trying to make is that Texas, we're up 10 points, praise God.
But Texas, not only could it go purple, it could absolutely go blue and stay blue forever if we don't fix immigration.
So, part of the logic for voting for Trump is because we've got 20 million immigrants, many of them illegal.
And thousands of them literally guilty of homicide before crossing the border.
And they knew it and they let them cross the border, anyways.
And so, in loving our neighbors, loving our wives, loving our children, we're saying, look, we're not going to allow this invasion to continue.
There's political reasons for that, there's physical safety reasons for that.
And we've got 20 million, and we've got some guys who work the border who have talked to us personally said, nah, 20 million is low.
They're not counting all of it.
So, some guys are saying it's 30 or even 40 million.
If we get four more years of Democrats, you're going to have another 30, 40 million.
And the country will never recover.
And that's part of the logic.
Yeah, absolutely.
All right.
So, lay the land for anyone just joining in, like us.
You put your kids to the bed, you hop on.
Now that the results are getting interesting, some of the early calls, there are states like Kentucky.
Like if Kentucky went for Harris, there wouldn't be a live stream tonight.
So, you have kind of those states that are the core.
Then you have the states that are the swing states.
And not just in the swing states, but what you want to track is trends.
So, compared to 2020, the safest election of our lifetimes, compared to 2020, what's changing?
Are more people coming out to the polls?
Are less?
Are Trump voters, Republican voters, are they more energized?
Are they less energized?
And so I have a graph here.
This is as of like five minutes ago from the New York Times.
And this is a directional showing directionally, blue to the left being Democrat, red to the right.
These are the trends right now of counties, how they voted.
And you can see all of those red, those are arrows indicating that these counties compared to 2020, so Trump versus Biden 2020, Trump to now 2024, that these counties are trending red.
I can count maybe.
Maybe like eight arrows on this screen that are trending blue.
That is counties that, compared to their vote in 2020, again, the safest election of our lifetimes, they're trending blue.
You have here probably, I don't know, 100, 150 counties trending red.
Florida went, Florida's been called for Trump.
It's gone much farther than it did in 2020.
So it's not like Trump won.
I think he won it by like eight points in 2020.
He's won by much more.
We should make mention, praise God, Amendment 3 and Amendment 4 have failed.
Amen.
Praise God.
3 was recreational marijuana, correct?
Yes.
I praise God for that one too.
Amendment 4 was abortion, much more important, but both of those failed to meet the 60% threshold, which is significant because there's been a number since the end of Roe v. Wade, there's been a number of abortion initiatives, even in red states.
So these are where voters petition, they get enough signatures, it goes to an election, and they actually, and the general election, they get to ask, do you want this enshrined into the Constitution?
I think of Ohio.
Ohio is a red state, and voters did pass a proposition that enshrined some level of right to access to abortion.
In Ohio.
But even compared to that, I want to say that was 2022.
Yes.
In 2022, Ohio, that measure passed successfully.
Just tonight, Amendment 4 in Florida did not pass, did not meet the requirement.
And hopefully that's part of a trend.
What you should be seeing here and thinking isn't just isolated on this single turnout.
Did we win?
Did we get more votes?
What's the trend?
Where are people going?
How are people thinking?
That's what you should be thinking about in the big picture.
We had Trump in 2016.
You can kind of think of that.
We've joked.
That was a new hope.
In this Star Wars saga.
That's right.
You know, it's bright.
Everything's awesome.
I remember when I was like, I think I was like a fresh, like kind of like Romney Republican.
I was like, Trump, he's awesome.
He's great.
He's saying good things.
And then it's The Empire Strikes Back.
It's 2020, rough four years.
Yep.
But fitting in with the saga would be a great movie.
The Empire Strikes Back was probably the best movie in the series, though.
And I will say, for Right Response Ministries, Empire Strikes Back was that four year leg of the race has been fantastic.
Yeah.
For us, for sure.
That is true.
Yeah.
That's the years of plenty.
So, what's the trend?
And again, based on the image I just showed, the trend seems to be Trump overperforming compared to 2020.
You're here right now.
What am I looking at?
What's things shaping up?
Trump is doing great and he's overperforming compared to 2020.
I think he's overperforming compared to 2016.
Yeah.
It's really possible.
There was a county, I don't know which one in Florida, it was plus 29 Clinton in 2016.
Now, Florida on the whole has actually gone to the right, which I think Ron DeSantis' great leadership has done a good job of that.
It was plus 29 in 2016 for Clinton.
And it was something like plus 10 for Trump tonight.
That's the degree of shifts that we're seeing in some of these electorates.
So, Deep Red County, excited to vote, getting out to the polls.
What we've seen in early voting, we're even seeing tonight, Democrat stronghold, black voters that would typically vote Democrat, they're not as excited.
25% in Georgia, 25% of black males exit polling shows are voting for Trump.
25%, which is amazing.
If that's held, we'll be calling this by 10.
Well, and part of this, I've heard some really insightful commentary.
Part of it is what we're seeing is a shift.
In the political landscape of the severing, the separations and the dividing walls that historically have been between race are now shifting to being between gender.
And I actually am very white pilled about that.
Like, I think that that is a very positive development that it would be less, you know, white versus black, you know, people of color, you know, going just 100% for Democrats, you know, and then the lone bulwark.
Like Stephen Wolfe is absolutely right.
I mean, it's statistically true, it's undeniable.
So, white evangelicals as a lone bulwark, that has been historic.
But what we're now seeing is my prediction is over the next 10 years, I think you actually see a more stark divide between men and women than you see between white and black.
And the reason why I see that ultimately, the big scheme as a white pill, as a positive development, is because I think by the grace of God that men can lead in such a way to eventually the hearts and minds of women will be changed.
I really think so.
I'm not nearly as confident of white people being able to change black people.
I am very confident of husbands being able to change wives.
Well, Nate, do you have that graph?
I'll give you a second to pull it up.
Young men are radicalizing.
Yes, they are.
Women are getting more liberal.
You love to see it.
You love to see it.
But young men, I think it was Nate, I'm not going to try to pronounce his name, pastor in Virginia, Shulman.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He had a great tweet.
He said, You have no idea how right wing young men are.
Like all of you that are sitting back and thinking that you have just this moderate group of guys.
If only men voted, this is 2020.
Right.
So they've had another four years of COVID radicalization, everything else.
So, top is if only men voted.
In the most secure election of our lifetimes, Trump has 326 electoral votes, takes it handily.
If only women voted, I guarantee you, real quick, with the men there, you'll see like, you know, a few blue states.
I guarantee you, if it was this year, 2024, only men voting, some of those states would shift to red.
Yep, that's 100%.
Go ahead.
Yep, nope, absolutely.
Do you have the other graph too that even just shows men and women's divergence?
This wasn't always the case either.
This is like 2010, 2015.
Somebody's asking what my hat says.
Ranger Essentials.
Oh, yeah.
It's one of my friends.
I won't say his name because he's a fantastic guy.
But, you know, like he's involved in some awesome stuff and it probably would like to remain anonymous.
But, anyways, it's a coffee company that he started.
Can you guys believe it?
A Christian started a coffee company, one of millions.
But Ranger Essentials.
Feel free to check it out.
Ranger Essentials Coffee Company.
It's R E C C.
He closed it down.
Oh, he closed it down.
Bummer.
He did a great job.
But I get it.
It's hard.
It's hard to, let's just say that the market is saturated when it comes to coffee.
Oh, got to do a quick shout out.
We've got Southern Stalwart in the chat.
Southern Stalwart.
He's kidding.
I'll be watching.
I'm watching you in the chat right now.
So feel free to let me know.
Are you, I mean, you've got your picture, but are you anonymous?
If I say your name, I don't want to get you into any trouble.
A southern stalwart, great friend.
He was a member of our church for since the very beginning on the couch in my living room.
And then I ended up moving to Tennessee.
Who could blame him?
His family's there.
His wife's family's there.
But he's, gosh, one of the best Christian men that I know.
Yes.
Great guy.
Okay.
Oh, real quick, just to let you guys know.
So we're going to have some visitors come on.
Yes, we are.
We've got CJ.
Nate wants us to say we're going to try to have some visitors.
Nate wants us.
Yeah.
So we're not going to try.
We're going to do it.
It's going to be perfect.
And if Nathan fails, you're done.
You are dead to me.
Okay.
So, just kidding.
We love Nate.
And Lord knows I can't do anything without him.
It was funny.
I saw a meme going around from some of my detractors on X the other day.
It was a picture of me in front of all these different computer screens.
It was like a right response from his command center on Twitter.
And Nathan texted to me, and immediately he said, Your enemies have no idea how technologically ignorant you are.
You couldn't do this in a million years, even if you tried.
Okay.
Let's give a quick electoral college update.
Well, real quick, what I was going to say, we're going to try to have some guys on here.
Here's some of the guys.
So, Andrew Isker and CJ, we're thinking about doing a joint thing.
They're doing their live stream.
I think they've been at it for like 17 hours.
But, you know, just, you know, the more the merrier, you know, just a happy party.
So, they would be streaming.
So, on their platform, feel free to leave their platform, of course, and come over and watch it on our platform.
But so, we're probably going to try to get Isker and CJ in the mix a little bit later.
We've got Stephen Wolf on standby.
And so, he's going to hop in.
We've got the Christian Prince, Donald Trump.
Securing The Stream With Guests00:05:56
Just kidding.
The Christian Prince.
The real one, Dusty Devers, he's going to hop on.
So you may see me throughout the stream.
I'm like, the chats are blowing up, as I'm sure for all of you guys.
And so, anyway, so I'm going to be making phone calls off and on.
And luckily, I've got Michael and Wes, and they're both smarter than I am.
So we're in good hands.
By the way, Gondor's plumber wants you to tell Andrew to stop blackpilling.
Wait, Isker's blackpilling?
That's a Gondor's plumber.
CJ was whitepilling.
And Andrew was blackpilling.
Weird.
What is happening?
You can't whitepill for years on end and not have a week or a day or a moment.
Isker has been whitepilling since he was an ignorant normie libertarian all the way back in like 2011.
And now you're blackpilling.
When it was actually so over.
Yeah, 2011.
Romney Ryan?
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Romney.
Those were dark days.
Jeb Bush's.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, Isker, get it together, dude.
We believe in you.
Pull it together.
If CJ can white pilt, CJ is the most pessimist.
He's brilliant.
That's the problem.
That's why he's black.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow.
King Solomon said that.
CJ is just smart enough to be miserable every single day of his life.
I feel terrible for him.
Meanwhile, Isker and me are over here, and we're like, hey, everything's great.
CJ is drinking Perrier.
We're drinking bourbons.
There might be a correlation.
Cameron Stevenson, yes, I was there.
Did we get Southern Stalwart say whether or not I can drop his name?
He just said he loves us.
Okay.
All right.
Whatever.
He's deep undercover.
He's deep undercover.
All right.
We won't say his name, but great guy.
Follow him on X if you get a chance.
Real quick, Dane Roberts says Joel, how's the baby?
The baby knew that she's a sweetheart from the womb, absolute sweetheart.
She knew that her dad was in trouble.
So she decided to hang out with mom inside the womb a little bit longer, let dad get out of trouble, and hopefully we'll see her in the next couple of days.
When Trump hits 207 electoral votes.
The water's going to break.
Yeah, exactly.
She's going to be like, it's time.
That's it.
That's what she's waiting for.
Due date was Friday.
It's now Tuesday.
My wife is usually pretty on time, like the German freight trains, right?
She's just right on schedule.
But we did have our second born, Ruth.
She was one week late, and there were claw marks on the inside of the womb.
She was one week late.
So it is possible there's a precedent that little Ruthie girl set for us.
So, we could go all the way up to Friday.
Was it one of your daughter's birthdays around November?
Like right on election day?
Yeah, yeah.
So, Olive was on the Lord's Day, November 3rd.
And when it fallen on the Lord's Day, you know, it's like, and she was a good sport about it because she loves Jesus.
She's just turned seven, she's been baptized.
And she woke up, and mom and dad said, we do every week, we said, Happy Lord's Day.
And we sang a quick hymn, and then we said, And happy birthday.
And then we started opening some presents.
Nice.
Okay.
I got to give a shout out to Nolan.
He specifically requested one in the chat and here.
Nolan from church.
Nolan from church.
Oh, God bless him.
God bless him.
All right.
Nolan was so funny on Sunday.
Him and another guy.
I don't know if he wants me to share his name, but two of the guys in the church.
One is half black, half white.
And then Nolan, he's as white as you could possibly be.
But both of them are in interethnic marriages.
And Nolan, his wife, is Brazilian.
And so, but both of them came up to me and they were laughing.
They were like, Joel, do you want us to come up?
With our wife and kids in the middle of the sermon this Sunday.
Just everybody, you know, all the detractors could be horrified.
Oh, we thought we had them.
Nathan accidentally pans the crowd with the camera.
Yeah, yeah.
Good to see you, Nolan.
Thanks for coming on.
Okay.
All right, let's do an electoral college vote update.
So, Nate, you can just pull up, I think, the CNN stream.
Different groups will, based on their algorithms, based on the counties that are still outstanding, they'll call it differently.
So, right now, as it stands, New York Times, for example, Trump has confirmed, secured 177 electoral votes.
Kamala Harris has secured.
This CNN stream shows Trump at 154, Kamala Harris at 30.
Some of the big ones that are forthcoming would be New Jersey.
Kamala Harris appears to have won by 9%.
Some outlets are beginning to call Virginia for Kamala Harris.
This one's really close, and this is a bellwether.
This is how you know.
I think we're in for a good night.
Yeah.
Virginia is not a swing state.
Not supposed to be close.
And now, Douglas.
Dude, we could win Virginia.
That's so cool.
Let's go.
Some groups are projecting it to go to Harris, but it's close.
And even in being close, that's really the victory.
That's already a victory.
So, Virginia, some groups are calling for Harris.
Illinois, big surprise.
That went for Harris.
Trump's locked up.
North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, all.
Two electoral college votes there.
Nebraska.
Colin Stephen Wolfe.
Oh, come on.
Got him on speed dial.
He's coming in hot.
In Georgia, Georgia's a key swing state.
73% of the vote is in.
Donald Trump leads 53 to 47.
We're live streaming right now.
And most of Atlanta's in.
Okay.
Most of Atlanta's in, which is huge.
And we called this out earlier.
Black turnout does appear to be down.
They're not excited to vote for her.
I don't know if you remember Barack Obama.
You remember he's lecturing the black men?
He's like, some of you brothers.
You're not very excited to vote for her.
So, if that holds, that's really bad for the campaign.
Yep.
North Carolina, 51% of the vote in, so a little bit less.
Trump, 51%.
Kamala, 48%.
But that's been going because the way they started the counting, she was up like 60 to 40 or something like that.
So, it's going the exact opposite way.
Like, he's just been rising for the last hour, hour and a half or so.
Great.
So, good buddy just said in the chat 75% of Atlanta is in.
So, okay, there's not too much left of Atlanta within the larger state of Georgia.
High IQ Cities And Liberal Churches00:02:38
And that's the bluest of.
And that would be the bluest.
So, there are.
Here's the thing it's important to remember there's no such thing in all 50 states.
There's not one blue state, there are only blue cities.
Right, that's true.
Yeah, like that's.
And like, you guys have probably heard me talk about this before.
Remember the concept we talked about a few weeks back IQ shredders?
Yes.
Well, in the same way that there are IQ shredders in big cities, I think that it also plays, it doesn't just shred your mind, but it shreds your soul.
Yeah.
And there are soul shredders.
And the concept, just to say it really quick.
Is basically, it's a practical, but also has biological implications to it.
But the argument is just saying that the highest IQ people tend to gravitate towards cities.
Cities tend to be very progressive and liberal in their politics and their culture.
And they gravitate there because they're an engineer or they're in software, right?
And so you're going to live in Austin or you're going to live in San Francisco or they're musicians, like Nathan's big brother, Nathan's my cousin.
So it's my cousin.
She is a brilliant, fantastic, talented, wonderful guy.
And he's, you know, PhD in piano performance.
But it's like if you're going to be playing piano and accompanying, you know, symphonies and things like that, which is what he does on a very high level, you're not going to live in Oklahoma.
Nope.
You know, so you're going to go to these, you know, these, it's not so much states, it's cities.
You're going to go to cities, big cities, New York, you know, San Francisco, places where there's a symphony.
And so people head there for jobs, they head there for vocation, they head there for universities.
Right, some of the most prestigious universities in the country.
And they also head there for cuisine and food and culture and arts and opera and symphony and all these different things.
So it takes your best and your brightest, brings them into a city where they are propagandized.
They are constantly being pushed culturally and politically and spiritually, even towards it.
Like, even if they find a church, it's probably a liberal church, you know, all those kinds of things.
And then what ends up happening.
Is that they, it's not just the spiritual side, but on the biological side, they often end up in a lifestyle where they don't have children.
They don't have children.
Like they don't finish school until they're 30 years old, you know, and they have residencies and all this kind of stuff.
And then they're working on their career.
Now they're 40, you know, and a lot of times they don't even get married.
And if they do get married, by the time they're there, it's too late to have children.
So your best and your brightest, highest IQ people actually are not producing children.
Brightest People Delaying Children00:05:02
And so the IQ shredder of cities.
That's the concept.
And it's basically, and you can track this as a nation, IQ has gone down in recent decades.
And that's part of it is because your brightest people are the ones who are most susceptible towards the lie of children being a burden and standing in the way of a career.
So your brightest people aren't procreating, they're not reproducing.
And in the same way that cities, there's no blue states, there's only blue cities, in the same way that cities function as an IQ shredder, they also, I think, very much function as a morality soul shredder.
And so.
Cities have been the problem.
There really is not such a thing as a blue state.
And so it's really, in many ways, it's not black versus white as much as it has been voting wise, politically wise in the past.
It's becoming man versus woman.
And at the geographic level, it's cities versus rule.
People that touch grass versus people that don't.
Yes.
Breaking news North Carolina has been called for Trump.
Yeah.
All right.
Which is awesome.
Let's go.
Trump needs to win.
He needs to win the Sun Belt.
So this is Georgia, this is North Carolina, Arizona, Nevada.
Everything's looking good there.
And then he has to pick off either Pennsylvania or Wisconsin and Mission in some combination, and that will get him over.
The hard thing about Pennsylvania is we're probably not going to know because they had several polling locations in very red counties that had major tech glitches, and the whole system was shut down for several hours today.
I think they switched to paper ballots.
Yeah, and they extended the, well, some of them, they said you can write the paper ballots and we can submit it to the courthouse.
Some of them just waited and they got it fixed.
But they extended the polling hours until 10 o'clock p.m.
It was 7 o'clock p.m.
And so at least in those counties, Which could figure heavily because they're deep red counties.
They might not even be done with the polls until 10 o'clock p.m. Eastern time.
Someone had a comment.
Why can't we all count like Florida?
Florida is an example.
I saw a tweet earlier, and not to counteract your point, but it was the lady who's running the counting for the state.
And she said, It's nine o'clock.
Florida's done counting.
Every state can do this.
It's just a choice that they make not to do it this way.
Yep.
Wolf just texted.
He's ready.
All right.
Yep.
Nate, we got him?
Nope.
Well, he just texted me that he's ready, but we're talking about Stephen Wolf.
You guys, most of you probably don't know.
You know Stephen Wolf, the PhD and author of The Case for Christian Nationalism.
What you don't know is Stephen Wolf, the other side of him, who lives on a farm and herds goats and builds sheds in the backyard with his boys and shoots guns and also will probably struggle to hop on a live show.
I was going to say, Joel and Stephen Wolf are kindred spirits in this way.
In this way.
We are kindred spirits.
Kindred spirits in our ignorance of technology, and sadly for me, not kindred spirits, and our brilliance in having a PhD in political philosophy.
All right, all right, all right, all right, on it.
I was just going to say though, Florida, great male, Republican leadership, and the state itself, it's not just like he's done a good job and the state's just been kind of like steady red, it's shifted dramatically.
It used to be like the closest state every year.
All the money was dumped by both campaigns into that state, and it was pretty much like every other election cycle, it went Democrat or Republican.
2000s, right?
The hanging chads.
The dimpled chads.
The hanging chads.
I mean, they get like three hurricanes a week.
The bridges are like back, they get knocked over 24 hours, they're back up.
Florida is an example.
Like, you do not have to live in incompetency.
Here we go.
Here we go.
All right.
Okay.
One of the great Christian princes, Stephen Wolfe.
He won.
There was a straw poll.
Someone did on Twitter.
Oh, he did.
He won.
And he was selected.
Did it come down to Wolf versus Wolf?
It was Wolf, Wolf, and Dusty Devers.
Ah, that makes sense.
Three of them.
Dusty, Aaron, Dyne.
Yep.
Yep.
All right.
Any more updates?
I'll throw this stat out there, which is really interesting.
Go for it.
Trump, according to exit polling, so this is not the final numbers, but according to exit polling, Trump has set the record for the highest percentage of Hispanic voters in GOP history.
All that while running on a platform of deporting all the illegal immigrants.
Because they want the people that have not done it right.
They do.
Yeah.
Done it right.
That's.
That's a little generous with the terminology.
Yes.
But they recognize that people just pouring over the border with no connection, not even able to work, to rent, this or the other, is destructive, not just to other people, to other countrymen, to them themselves.
To themselves.
Yep.
It's true.
And this is, according to Steve Dace, Bush set the record before that, W, 44% in 2004.
And that was a massive win.
The GOP won the popular vote that year, too.
Dr Wolf Clarifies His Position00:02:48
Nice.
All right.
Here we go.
Mr. Wolf, Dr. Wolf, I apologize.
I'm so sorry.
Can you hear us?
I can't.
Oh, Nathan, we don't have earphones.
Oh, no, my fault.
My fault.
Oh, there we go.
There we go.
Okay.
I can hear you now.
All right.
What'd you say?
Just talk for a second, Stephen.
What?
What?
You can hear me?
Oh, yeah, I can hear you.
Yep.
You're good.
I'm having an echo in the background, but yeah.
Yeah, I called you Mr. Wolf.
Instead of Dr. Wolf, but now I'm remembering that I think it's only the libs that you make use of the doctor title, right?
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
Okay.
Yeah, of course.
Cool.
How are you doing?
Call me Stephen.
And yeah, the enemy call me Doctor.
Amen.
That was so funny, dude.
The Mother Jones article, did you end up reading it?
The one that had like me and you and William and everybody?
Oh, yeah.
Did you read it?
Yeah.
It was so funny when they quoted you, the journalist.
And like, I talked to, this is how, you know, they were like, this is how ridiculous these, These far alt right men are.
I talked to Steve, and he said that he would only take an interview if I agreed to call him Dr. Wolf, who is an expert on Christian nationalism.
I've done that.
I think I've done that with like four or five journalists, and she is the only one who said yes.
She did actually meet the deal, though, because she only said it once, and it was only to the quote, basically.
But yeah, actually, I was surprised.
She replied back and said, Okay, I'll do that.
And I was like, Well, now I'm stuck.
I said, I'd do it if you.
That's the only reason why I took that interview, it was because of that reason.
Yeah, I.
It was a hilarious interview.
So I was like, You know, I'm glad that I did it.
I kind of wish I rambled on about like Sophocles or like Aristotle or something like that.
But I'll do that next time.
Yeah, I refused the interview.
They reached out to me and asked, and then I got like an email the day that they were about to publish and said, This is your last.
I got multiple emails and I kept ignoring them.
And I'm like, This is your last time to correct the record.
You know, we're going to print this, you know, blah, And so I gave my clarifying answers, but the truth, I gave them the truth.
But the truth was what they had seen in clips.
Like, they're like, is this really your position?
And my position on all four of their questions was actually worse than what they thought.
So they're like, you don't actually think that women shouldn't vote, do you?
New Possibilities For Conservatism00:15:55
And I was like, well, yes.
I absolutely do.
So, anyways, it was funny.
Cool.
How are you feeling?
Do you feel white pilled or you black pilled?
What are you thinking?
No, it's white pill all the way.
Even, okay, so there is a site.
I don't know if you guys have been showing it, but the New York Times of all places has the best like metric on their website, best set of metrics.
And even the New York Times right now is predicting, so it's like an overall victory.
I don't know how they put the data together and all that, but they're saying that right now, essentially Trump is in it to win.
The little indicator thing says that it's leaning to Trump and it's been moving that way since I opened it about an hour ago.
So, and now it's predicting 287 for his electoral votes, his points.
287, and I think, let's see, I have it right here.
Went from too close to call to lean Trump and then to, yep, 284 Electoral College with the projecting.
Nice.
Now, I only a little bit trust this because I watched this.
They had actually, I thought, a better one in 2016.
And, I remember watching it started off as like 90% for Hillary.
And it slowly over an hour just did one of these things, a little meter thing.
And it went all the way 90% to Trump.
And I was just like losing my mind because I was a, you know, I've been a three time Trump voter supporter from the beginning.
So, yeah, it was amazing.
Yeah.
And I, well, you know what's great about that day?
If I just give a little story, is that my father was like a hardcore Trump fan, like the sort of guy.
Who has like a Trump hat in every room just in case he needs to put it on for some reason?
And he was absolutely that kind of guy.
And I was in Louisiana at the time and he was in California.
And I called him and he was just in shock.
I was in shock.
He like teared up and was so excited.
It was one of those like moments of father son where it was just a wonderful little moment.
So yeah, he would definitely be, he'd have twice the Trump hats right now.
So it's pretty great to see Trump winning.
Did he pass away?
He's no longer with us?
Yeah, he did about your NAVCO.
Okay, got it.
Real quick, give us three reasons why you voted for Trump.
How do you see it?
What are the biggest things Christians should be thinking about?
Like, this is why you needed to vote for Trump.
Yeah, I mean, one would be immigration.
That's kind of obvious.
The other one would be foreign policy.
So that's a big one.
And the third one is probably more, I don't know, philosophical, I suppose, but he.
I see Trump as like, apart from the man, he's like a type of event in history, you know, kind of like this might be exaggerated, but kind of like the French Revolution sort of thing that opened up like a lot of bad ways, you know, but it's it changed the course of history and it opened up all these possibilities, liberalism, other things, you know, so some things that are bad, but but it was sort of thing you you you reinterpret over time.
Um, and uh, I think Trump is the as the man is going to be this figure who's interpreted for a century or two centuries from now or more as like.
Someone who shaped history, which is very ironic given it's, you know, it's Trump.
It's one of those weird, like funny ironies.
But I think because of him in 2016, like he opened up the possibility to think outside of the mainstream conservatism that was locked in a type of Reaganism, but more than that, like a more of a post Soviet type conservative liberalism exemplified in George Bush and Mitt Romney and John McCain.
And he shattered all that.
And that's why I think his victory in 2016.
Was opened up the doors for people like you and myself to say things and to argue for ideas that are not new but old, but he just made that possible.
So I think a third term, even more, is part of that overall movement.
So that's my third reason.
That's great.
Go ahead.
Stephen, we were talking, Aaron McIntyre, he had a great episode.
Nationalism is on the rise, not just here.
Like if Trump wins tonight and it's a resounding blowout, I know he hasn't ran on an explicitly nationalistic program.
Which you could talk about, like it seems like the alternative for Deutschland party out in Europe that's gaining ground.
Russia, I mean, they were communist, the wall falls in 89.
They're a full blown nationalistic party.
They banned LGBTQ groups as terrorist organizations.
So it seems almost globally there's a move and a swing towards nationalism.
I don't know if you could speak to that or what you would say if you're seeing the same thing or there's some caveats there.
There certainly is like a reaction going on.
And that's why the The far right part, well, I say far right, but the right wing party from Marine Le Pen in France, I forget they changed their name, I don't remember what it's called now, but that's gaining ground as a significant force.
As you said, what is Alternative for Germany, or what is it?
What's their acronym?
I forget now.
AFD.
AFD, thank you.
They are a significant force in Germany and other places as well.
So even in England, you have the, what is it called?
The Reform Party has.
Cause some trouble as well, yes.
Um, in England, and so yeah, there is this rise of uh, it certainly is a reaction to mass immigration largely.
I think that's the main reason.
And he mentioned Hungary as well.
So, Hungary is a very much a working class response to immigration because they they uh they want to maintain their wages, they know that the immigration depresses wages.
So, that's like that's why Hungary has a right wing part, right wing power.
But yeah, in the US as well, we're seeing a similar reaction.
And it is a type of nationalism.
And it's exemplified in JD Vance.
I mean, some of his rhetoric, you don't hear stuff like that in mainstream politics.
His idea of a home, the idea that people would fight for a home, not for ideas, that America is a place with a people and a history.
He even talked about it on Joe Rogan just the other night.
Remember, towards the end of the interview with Joe Rogan, he mentioned the post war consensus.
Yeah.
Did you hear Vance talking about that?
Yeah, so that's making it through, which is so interesting.
That comes from Rusty Reno.
He's our guy.
Yeah, like that comes from Rusty Reno.
And now it's like a Protestant thing that's making its way in the new right.
I really think that JD Vance is connected to the new right in ways that the left says this, and I think they're right.
Like he is connected and he's influenced by that crowd, maybe more of a Roman Catholic crowd, but still, he's.
Influence in that way.
So, that kind of rhetoric is, I mean, you can call it nationalism.
I don't know what you want to call it, but the emphasis away from ideas that we're an economic zone and more towards we're a people in a place that is something occurring all across the world.
And in Europe, that sort of stuff was kind of natural to them in a way.
But in America, I mean, you just listen to the rhetoric of Reagan from the 80s and his speeches, and he's more emphasizing the people come here and it's an idea and they can.
Be one of us and to contribute economically.
It's as if the pilgrims came here for economic freedom as opposed to founding a place where they can worship God.
But now that is being rejected, and the type of Reaganism might have served us well in the 80s, perhaps.
But now that's all starting to change.
And I think if Trump wins, and I expect Trump to win, Vance is like the successor to Trump.
And so we'll see.
He's most likely going to be a president or at least run.
Right.
Yeah.
I was just going to say, like, if nothing else, you know, if four years of, you know, the last four years of Biden, Harris, it'll have all been worth it if it means that we get, you know, our eight years of Trump followed by, you know, eight years of Vance instead of four or eight years of Pence.
I mean, Mike Pence just perfectly embodies, you know, you're just your Boomer Con.
It's the lip service that evangelicals have supported for decade after decade after decade of giving lip service to the things that evangelicals want and rightly want, like the end of abortion and those kinds of things.
But there's not action.
All these guys were hiding behind Roe.
Now that Roe's actually gone, these guys aren't going for the jugular, they're not making any headway.
If you felt comfortable voting for George Bush, Then you should have no problem voting for Trump.
If you voted, you know, if you got out there and voted for Romney, you should vote for Trump.
And so I think, you know, if nothing else, in God's providence and kindness towards us, which we don't deserve, the last four years allowed us just to switch up the team a little bit to get a second term of Trump, but with a better administration.
So, and I do think that Vance is our guy.
I think that he's following some of us, honestly.
And here's the thing.
It's not just that we think it, our enemies think it.
And I love, like, one of my consistent prayers.
You know, wake up in the morning, I say, God, what our enemies are saying in your kindness, make it true.
You know, make Trump the man that our enemies think he is, you know.
And Mother Jones, you know, like, this is what you got to understand the Theo Bros, understand JD Vance.
You know, he's best friends, you know, with Nate Fisher and he's reading, you know, the case for Christian nationalism by Wolf.
And I think I saw him playing poker the other night, you know, with Joel Webbin.
And I'm just sitting here and I'm like, Well, make it true, God.
Make it true.
Go ahead.
Were you going to say something?
I can say that, yeah, that there, you know, our separation from Vance is not that far.
I can't say that he listens to us or you or reads me or anything like that.
But I think within the network of friends in the kind of new right, you know, network, I think he's connected to that.
So.
So that means that, and in this way, the left, I think the left is right that they're correct that there is a right wing movement and it is influencing people, including people of power, especially younger people who are largely rejecting.
I mean, another thing about Trump, again, is like he opened up the possibility that we can get over the kind of George Bush mentality of conservatism.
Like he got over that.
And now younger people who are not stuck in the ways of, The rhetoric of television and what they learned from the 80s, now they can actually adopt ideas that, again, are older and kind of predate Reagan that are American, but now they're possible.
Now you can affirm them.
And I, you know, next 10, 20 years, we're going to see them even more as these guys who are wisely maybe keeping their head down eventually pop up and do great things.
Absolutely.
Go ahead.
Stephen, I have a question that's in kind of a couple parts.
So a couple years ago, in one of the articles you wrote about, Yes, it's okay to love your nation.
You mentioned just the simple idea of fly your flag, right?
Don't be afraid to, and in fact, be proud of flying your flag.
Secondly, Trump has talked some, although not as recently, about the fact that America's 250th anniversary is right around the corner, and that if he were to win, he would throw the biggest celebration and birthday party for America that you can imagine.
Thirdly, I saw, I think it was Michael Foster today say on Twitter, That the coalition that's gathering around Trump, while it might be good in the short term, will probably open the door to a secular kind of secular conservatism.
I'm curious what you think about the spirit of America.
Does Trump embody it?
Does he embody parts of it?
Is he, because when I listened to him, we played a video at the beginning of the episode of him really speaking highly and loving America.
I get the sense that he loves the nation.
Is he a person that can help us embody America again, or is he going to lead us?
Down some potentially secular and maybe unwise paths as we try and regain what America is.
Yeah, I think there is the danger.
Yeah, that we could.
I understand where Michael Foster's coming from there.
There is that danger because it's not as if Trump kind of exemplifies a type of Christian prince.
I think he's a type of prince, as I describe it, just not a Christian one.
In the sense that he has a type of gravitas that inspires people.
I mean, you can see the rallies with these people are just kind of rallied behind him and they want to follow him.
So he is that kind of figure.
And in that way, he opens up the possibility of a Christian prince in the future.
But I don't agree with Foster on that Christian nationalism or the kind of Christian new right is going to be drowned out by a type of secular conservatism.
I understand the fear of that.
But at least for our part, my response would be that the left is going to remain radical.
They're still going to control most of the institutions, the media, academia, journalism, and other places, and a lot of local and state appointments in politics.
So they're not going to go anywhere.
And one of the reasons the new right exists is because of reaction to those guys.
And then you add to it the fact that a lot of what we're doing is just trying to recover an old reformed political view or old Protestant views.
And that's just beginning.
I think, I really think we're at the beginning of a new era of Protestant thought because we're recovering things that were lost.
So that's not going to end.
Also, Trump getting elected, he still continues to.
Because I think the mainstream, the center right wants Trump to lose.
This is why David French wants him to lose, because they know that he represents a change of conservatism.
And if he loses, that means it failed.
This is why they wanted him to lose in 2016.
This is why him winning was a catastrophe for them, because him winning opened the door, like I said.
And him winning this year will also be a catastrophe.
Type of it will continue that on.
So, even though I think you know things are going to change, um, I don't think it's going to change a lot of what we're doing.
Um, and yeah, I think you're right in a broad sense.
He is positive about our country, he's he positively affirms the history of it and the people.
Acknowledging Our Shared History00:15:14
And even though like George W. Bush did that, he did it in a way that was economic zone like we're just a powerful economic and we're a force for good in the world and we get taken advantage of.
And you know, as Trump says, and and uh, that but.
Trump is more like we have our own concerns.
This goes back to the early 90s with Pat Buchanan.
Pat Buchanan said, look, we defeated the Soviets.
We should disengage from the world.
Stop trying to be, don't be the policemen of the world.
Don't try to liberalize the world.
We got our own issues here.
And we have a culture war happening now.
And he was absolutely right.
But instead, I mean, we had Clinton largely did policing the world.
Of course, George Bush did that.
That's what Mitt Romney and McCain wanted to do.
And Obama.
Essentially, continued Bush's policies.
So that's what we had.
But now Trump is different.
Now it's like we as a people, as Americans, we need to take care of ourselves and not think as if we are like our mission in life is to invade the world and then invite the world.
Like that's the neocon mantra right there invade, invite the world.
And Trump's the opposite.
He says, no, disinvite and don't invade.
And that's definitely different.
So, all that being said, yeah, I think Trump reinstills in Americans this love of home and love of place and saying we need to return to looking to ourselves to kind of rebuild what is America and not try to bomb and rebuild another country.
Yeah.
Real quick, is there an update that you want to give?
I was going to say, what does your shirt say?
A lot of people are asking.
Oh, yeah.
What's the bottom of your shirt say?
It says a country of our own.
So, a country of our own.
That's a novel idea.
What brand is that?
Who makes it?
Do you know who makes it?
I don't know.
I saw it.
Someone shared it on Twitter and was like, that's a cool shirt.
I'm going to get that.
I think it was Swollis.
William Swollis shared it.
If you guys know that guy, he's a good guy.
Yeah.
Nice.
Real quick, I was going to say with JD Vance, one other thought that I've had people push back and say, like, yeah, but like Joel, you know, Joel, you're a normie.
You're for JD Vance.
Don't you know that he's a Romanist?
He's married to a Hindu, and don't you know his connections with Peter Thiel?
And didn't you see him in the tiny hat, kissing the wall?
And I'm like, I think one of the things I'm hoping that Christians can maybe begin to grasp is knowing what time it is, knowing where we're at, and saying, okay, here's the ideal.
This is where we're headed.
This is how we want to get there, or this is where we want to get.
But we need to talk seriously about how to get there.
And you have to start from where you are.
You can't just end in the final destination.
You have to start from where you are.
And one of the things that I've been thinking is just like with this election.
So I think like 2016, 2020, 2020, 2024, the true outcome of the election is every single electoral vote, every single state.
Ultimately, the true winner is Bibby.
Bibby always wins American elections.
And that's just the reality.
That's where we are.
The winner of the election will be Israel.
But if the Democrats win, it's going to be Israel and Ukraine.
At least this way, you know, like I'm going to vote for the guy to where Israel wins, but Ukraine at least loses, you know, like praise God.
So I think that's like, that's where we're at.
I understand that, you know, JD Vance is a Catholic and we can pray and ask that the Lord would change his heart on some of those things.
And I understand, you know, with his wife, in terms of her, I don't know if she is, do you know if she's a practicing Hindu?
I know she was, but I don't know if she really is anymore.
She's Indian in terms of her ethnicity, but I would imagine that she's probably followed her husband into Christian faith.
What do you think?
Well, I don't think she's converted.
I don't know if she's a practicing Hindu.
She's converted, but maybe she's not converted.
Okay, all right.
So, anyways, but my point is like guys are concerned about Zionism and those kinds of things, and I'm no fan of Zionism.
I get in trouble about it fairly often.
But I just, you tell me if you think I'm wrong, but I would just say that the lay of the land right now in the year of our Lord 2024, there is no serious political candidate at the federal level, especially not the presidential level.
That's not going to be some form, you know, color or stripe of Zionist.
That's just, that's where we're at.
And so you take the best option that you can and make the political arguments and things change over time.
What do you think?
Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, wearing the hat and going to the wall is like a humiliation ritual.
And it's very cringy and frankly idolatrous.
Like no Christian should do that.
And, but yeah, I think you're right, though, that.
Given the way politics are, given the sort of people who fund campaigns, then it's absolutely you have to appeal to the Jewish demographic.
And there's been a lot of money donated, not only to Trump's campaign, but also to the whole Stop the Steal 2.0 thing.
So there's been like $140 million given over to make sure that there's no meddling with the election through laws and other decisions.
There's just a lot of money going around.
So, I mean, yeah, it's they should, no matter what, they should not do the wailing wall thing.
But I understand, in terms of pragmatic politics, what you have to do to, at the very least, avoid a reaction, if not also to.
That's where I'm at.
That's what I figured you would say.
That's the same position I'm at.
And I think, you know, part of the way that maybe is helpful to, a helpful way to explain it is.
That politicians in general, this is a generalization, but they're more of like a thermometer than they are a thermostat.
You know, it's more of a.
So it's like, well, Trump is changing, you know, he's retracting and moving left in his rhetoric on the issue of the sanctity of life.
And I'm not sitting here saying, no, he's absolutely pro life.
Like that wouldn't be my argument.
I would say, yep, you're right.
The dude has compromised in his rhetoric.
I'm hoping, here's the thing though, I have it on good authority, Stephen, that sometimes politicians lie.
Did you know that?
Sometimes politicians will say something to get elected and then actually govern in a different way.
So, I feel like in 2016, Trump was one of every single Republican GOP guy that we get.
He campaigns to the right and he governs to the left.
Trump was one of the first guys who ran to the left.
He campaigned to the left and actually governed to the right.
And so, I feel like there's no reason to think that he wouldn't do that again.
In some ways, he might even do it harder because he's not up for reelection and some of the blockades aren't there anymore.
I think he'll definitely govern further to the right than he did his first term on immigration and on foreign policy.
On the issue of life, though, Sadly, nobody's happy about this, certainly not Christians.
But I think that Trump is much more of the thermostat than he is, or the thermometer than he is the thermostat.
He's measuring that, he's a measure of the temperature.
He's not setting the temperature.
And what we're seeing is that America, people just, you have to come to terms with it.
You certainly don't need to like it.
And you certainly have to give everything you got to push back against it.
But you have to acknowledge it, is what I'm saying.
When I say come to terms, I don't mean accept it, but acknowledge it.
As we fight against it, America loves her some abortion.
My goodness, this country, our country loves abortion.
And you're just at the current discourse, the lay of the land as it stands today, you don't get a politician who doesn't have to go through the humiliation ritual, the idolatrous ritual of wearing the tiny hat and kissing the wall.
And likewise, you're not going to get, at least not at the present, people like, well, Dusty Deevers, Okay, and we're all very proud of Dusty Devers.
I think he's going to hop on here in a moment, and Dusty Devers is the man.
Love Dusty Devers.
But Oklahoma State Senator is a little bit different than President of the United States.
It's just, it's a little bit different.
And so, my hope is that, you know, with a Trump presidency, and especially not just Trump himself, but with a Trump administration and guys like Vance, and not just Vance, but I mean, you're talking thousands of people, all the different people that would not be able to touch the levers of power with a 500 foot pole.
If Kamala got the election, all of a sudden they get a voice, they get a seat, they get to influence.
And so that's my hope is that Trump, on one hand, he serves as a tourniquet, he stops the bleeding, he buys his time.
But I think it's more than just that.
I'm a little bit, I don't know, it's election night.
I got a baby coming on the way.
I'm stoked about that.
Got a little bourbon in the glass.
And so I'm a little bit more white pill than to say that Trump is merely a tourniquet.
Not only is he a tourniquet, Trump is a door.
He's not going to go in and fix everything personally himself, but Trump is a door that not only stops the bleeding as a tourniquet, but he also opens a door and allows guys like us to be much more influential than we would be otherwise.
And I'm excited about that.
Any thoughts, or Wes?
We got updates, but he'll let Stephen have the last word.
Okay, Stephen, go ahead.
Oh, yeah, sure.
Yeah, on the abortion thing, I mean, I think one area we haven't.
On the right, commented enough.
Maybe people have.
I don't follow the abortion thing as much just because there's so many people who do.
I'd focus on other things.
But I think that if you watch the ads that the Democrats have put out, it's completely an exploitation of women's anxieties.
So you already have a mental health crisis among women, just in general.
And then the Democratic Party is going to exploit the anxieties of women.
For the abortion issue.
And so, I do wonder if there's going to be a point where enough is enough and people are going to start reacting against that.
I don't know exactly if that's going to happen, but at the very least, I think the right should point out I mean, the left is morally degenerate, but it might be effective to say, look, these people are playing on your fears.
They are exploiting mental health crises and they are making you unhappy and worse.
So, I'm hoping that that might be a way to convince some women to vote.
Um, on the opposite side, I would say if I could jump back to something else on Israel, just to jump back on that.
Um, I think that, like, the state of Israel, if Trump treated Israel like a geopolitical entity instead of like the holy land with the holy people there, but just treated as a state among states and as a means of a balance of power, I mean, Israel is the only country that can now bomb Iran.
So, if Iran's aggressive, I mean, Iran is.
Is hated by most of its neighbors.
But Saudi Arabia doesn't want to bomb Iran, and nor do some of the other Arabic countries.
So, Israel, as a geopolitical matter, could actually be a good ally in bringing balance of power to the region.
So, in that sense, if Trump treated it like that, that would, I think, be acceptable.
But treating it as like a special sort of group of people that we must die to defend at all costs, that's obviously going to be a problem.
So, I'm hoping he'll move away from that sort of thing.
And just treat it as just an ally in a region.
So that's what I'd say about that, if that's helpful.
Yeah, no, that's super helpful.
I agree.
We had somebody in the chat, always gives me a chuckle.
I appreciate it.
But someone said, There sure is a lot of anti Semitism oozing out for a Christian channel.
And then all the boys in the chat hopped on.
God bless you.
You know who you are, real patriots.
They hopped on and they're like, Your illegitimate claims of anti Semitism have no power here.
Your magic words have lost their power.
All right, give us an update real quick, Wes.
And then, Stephen, you're welcome to stay on with us.
Dusty Devers is going to join the party if you want to stay on.
But if you got to get back to your own celebrations, we totally understand your call.
But Wes is going to give us a quick update and then you let us know if you want to stay or hang around.
All right.
So things are continuing to trend well.
Trump has won Montana, Trump has won Utah, as to be expected there.
Georgia continues to hold for Trump.
The counting is slowing down.
It's about 77% reported.
I've got 83% in.
83% reported, leads by about 5%.
Pennsylvania is going to take a long time.
I wish it wasn't so.
But Trump has just taken the lead there.
Yep.
New York Times, Stephen, you were mentioning that earlier.
They've got Trump right now, 73% chance of victory.
Yep.
An estimate of a 288 electoral college.
And even in the popular vote, 0.1 for Harris is about what they're projecting.
So for what?
For Harris' popular vote, their estimated margin nationwide is just not even one point.
Point one, I think.
Point one, yeah, that's how close they have it.
Wow, that's great.
Everything's going good for Trump.
Remember, though, in 2020, yeah, this is right about the point.
So stay vigilant.
And I know obviously we're not the ones that would do it, but the GOP is on standby.
Their attorneys, their poll watchers, this is the point where things out.
The window shades went up, yep, the polls closed down, the counting stopped, people went to resume at 3 a.m.
Uh, so stay vigilant.
Uh, this is the point.
These are the next few hours, the crucial ones.
Hold leads in Pennsylvania, he's got the lead in Wisconsin as well, I believe.
Yeah, 5.5%.
So he's got the lead in Wisconsin, the lead in Pennsylvania, still really close in Virginia, doing really well.
He has a, oh, it's tightened up, but literally neck and neck in Arizona right now.
Yep.
So neck and neck in Arizona.
He's winning in Iowa.
Winning in New Mexico, actually, which is a potential dark horse candidate.
That'll change.
That'll change.
So doing good.
We'll see if this continues.
All right, cool.
I think we got Dusty Devers on standby.
Oh, he's in.
I don't see him.
Oh, there he is.
Neck And Neck In Arizona00:15:14
The Christian Prince, the Deeves, Deevers.
Hey, you can't call me that anymore because I lost to Stephen Wolf.
Stephen Wolf.
Oh, we still have Stephen Wolf.
There you go.
We're cooking.
Between the two of you, I'm sure we have at least one Christian Prince.
We could call it two.
Princes.
That's fine.
Northern and Southern states.
Right, Stephen, is that allowed?
Is that allowed?
You know, that's how the Romans did it for a while.
So we'll just, you know.
Yeah, not to be confused with Christian princesses.
I've got four little Christian princesses in my home.
Oh, dude, this is so funny.
You guys are like this.
So, my kids go to a classical school, a Christian classical school, and they did like a mock election today.
And so, all the kids were voting.
And I, you know, I'm going to have to talk, obviously, to the head of school because he let my daughters vote.
And you guys call yourself a Christian school.
It should have just been the boys voting.
But no, I'm just kidding.
Well, I'm not really kidding.
But, anyways, so they all voted, and my two girls, one's kindergarten, one's first grade, Olive and Ruth, they came home.
And we're out in public and we're celebrating because we're completely white pilled, and we believe the Donald's coming back in.
And so we're at dinner, and my girls are like, everyone's sitting around us.
We're in a public restaurant, and they're like, We voted Donald Trump.
We voted Donald Trump.
And people are like, looking over at us, and there was like an older couple, and they're like, They're smiling and gave like a Thumbs up to the girls.
And Nathan, did you just say I have permission to tell the story?
Yeah, if you want to.
Okay, this is so funny.
So Nathan's daughter also goes to the school with my girls.
And she just didn't know.
It was an honest mistake, but she voted for Kamala.
And so all the kids are like just tearing into her, you know, and their little mock vote thing and giving her.
And so she came home, and Nathan said she was like the most ashamed they've ever seen.
And she told her mom and dad, she was like, I didn't mean to, mom and dad, but I voted for the wicked woman.
I voted for her on accident.
It was an accident.
And so Nathan and his wife, they ended up having to do another, you know, with the family mock election and help her to color the circle by Donald Trump.
And Nathan said that his little princess is feeling much better now.
So we're okay.
All right.
Anyways, that's the story.
Dusty, what are you thinking?
How are you feeling?
Oh, man.
Look, Poly Market has Trump breaking his own records over and over.
I think they're at 85% right now.
That he's going to win.
I think that's pretty much the direction.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's 312 plus for Trump.
Wow.
That's great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dusty, okay.
So you are a Christian Prince, state senator, putting forth incredible abolitionist bills, longtime abolitionist.
I'm not going to put you on the spot to say things like you've, I think you've navigated all this really well.
And I'm not going to mess up your record.
Here you are at the bottom of the ninth, and Joel Webb is not going to mess it up for you.
But, So, I'm not going to ask you, you know, did you vote or who you voted for, anything like that.
I respect your conscience and I know that's a sensitive topic.
But you are friends with many guys who, you know, according to their conscience, guys that I love too.
Ben Zaislaw, man of God, great guy.
I'd love to.
Ben Zaislaw, I'm going to get right back into GC with him as soon as Trump wins and Ben Zaislaw can stop being insufferable on Twitter.
I think he's wrong.
In all fairness, he thinks that I'm absolutely wrong and he loves me and I love him.
James Silverman, awesome guy.
David Reese, I had him on the show just the other day.
And we duked it out, and he loves me, supports our ministry.
I love him.
And so, for you, I'm not going to ask you who you voted for, but give me a steel man argument.
Play the devil's advocate here for you, even as a staunch abolitionist who's done phenomenal work.
If you were going to vote for Trump, or if you were going to say, Well, I do think maybe if there was, give me the best app, the closest.
So, you may not even agree with it, right?
Let's play hypothetical.
What's the best abolitionist argument that you could make in a steel man case for why an abolitionist could maybe vote for Trump?
Could you do that for me?
Does that put you in a precarious spot?
No.
I mean, I voted today for sure.
I'm not going to not vote.
We have too many, beyond just the presidential vote, we've got too many down ballot votes that are extremely important in our state.
And so I'll just make this kind of like I said on Twitter earlier today that Paul says to pray for our rulers and our leaders that they would lead us to.
You know, have let us have peaceful lives, and I see that as a means for orienting people towards our Lord and for continually preaching Christ.
And so, with that said, can you hear me okay?
I'm getting a phone call, I should have put it on airplane mode.
Um, can you hear me okay?
Yes, sir.
Okay, okay.
Um, so pray in accordance with what Paul says, and then I think you should vote in accordance with how you pray.
Now, that doesn't Tell you that it's not a total still man, but we had meetings, several meetings with guys in our church.
Guys are on both sides.
They're going to vote for Trump because they see a future under him, at least for the next four years.
It's going to be a love your neighbor issue that their conscience is bound to right now protect their own born children.
None of them are going to, you know, kill their children in the womb.
And they see that probably for them, the most important position is to vote in such a way where we retain our.
Constitutional republic, at least for another four years, and we are able to not see us not have an election in four years.
That's part of their argument.
And I think retaining the constitutional republic for them is an extremely important position.
Otherwise, we move into a total despotic tyranny, and they don't want to see that.
So, you know, I understand that position for those guys.
And on the other hand, the guys are saying, well, look, that.
They're going to make some of the similar arguments about where their conscience leads them and what they see in the scriptures as to the right position to take and why.
And look, I'm very sensitive to that.
And we, as men in our church, we've left it with this guys, you have to be eager to maintain the unity of the spirit and the bond of peace.
You have to let brotherly love continue.
You have to outdo one another and showing honor in how you argue and hold your position.
And you have to ultimately be able to come to the Lord's table with each other every Lord's day without any aught against your brother, because Jesus says, through the Apostle Paul, Christ is telling us that when we come to the table, we should not have division against the body.
And that division is against each other because we are the body of Christ.
And if we are going to aim our biggest artillery at brothers in Christ rather than at what we see as the existential threat, it's really not.
Um, we are playing into what the devil is attempting to do and dividing the church at a time where we must, you know, hold your positions but hold them in such a way where you can take the supper together and you're not dividing the body and thereby lying about Christ.
Christ is not divided in himself, he's not at odds with himself, he's not at odds with the Father.
Uh, he and the Father are one by the love of the Spirit, and so have that spirit that is in the triune God that is the spirit of love.
Between the father and the son, have that spirit among you and be eager to maintain that.
So, uh, you know, again, that's that's not going to necessarily win arguments on either side.
Uh, and and I at the same time want to say, look, the conscience is not infallible, the conscience must be trained.
It's we're still fallen.
Uh, sometimes the conscience can be seared due to sin and due to immaturity, it can just be uneducated or untrained in certain areas, and it can be.
It must be trained in accordance with the scriptures and through wise counsel and walking with brothers in Christ in the church.
So, you know, the conscience is not infallible.
And I hold positions now that I didn't hold five or 10 years ago.
And that just means I'm being trained by the word of God and the spirit of God and the brothers and sisters in Christ through the preaching of the word.
And you need to have humility towards others and a humility towards even where your conscience is right now and the conscience of your brothers.
Amen.
I've got Jacob Miller.
I know that you're friends with him.
He's a faithful member in our church.
And every Lord's Day, giving each other a hug, taking the supper together, one body of Christ.
He thinks that I'm compromised, and I think that he's dumb.
And we both love each other.
We both said it to each other's face and give each other a hug right afterwards.
And he said publicly just the other day on X, he was like, said something honoring me, like so grateful for my pastor.
And It can be done.
It can be done.
Believe it or not.
You can actually disagree and love someone.
So go ahead.
I was going to say that's the one remedy.
Like online relationships, you can keep them, but for the local ones where you're with people, every single Sunday, we come to the same table, as you were saying, Dusty, the same bread and the same wine.
We're equal there, where we're told not to bring those grievances, not to bring if we have aught against our brother.
Like specifically, you got to live in person.
You got to live in the same county.
You got to live on the same street.
You got to attend the same building every single week.
Again, unlike relationships with pastors that are across the country.
People that are online, even celebrities, when you're local, that supper is given to keep you together because those are more important than those online relationships.
Yeah, that's one of the things that got me in trouble early on where I upset some of the abolitionists.
I'm trying to find it because one of the abolitionists, and he did it not with hostility, but as a courtesy towards me, he said, he messaged me a week ago or so and said, Oh, he just said, Hey man, is there any way you could walk this back a little bit?
Because I'm doing some damage control behind the scenes with the abolitionist guys, and a lot of them really do love you, but they strongly disagree with you.
And there was one of your tweets early on a few months ago.
I've been trying to be a lot more respectful, but early on in the debate, something that you tweeted out that just some of the guys just can't get over it and are bothered by it.
And he said, Here's the tweet that I put out.
Oh, no, that's not it.
It was basically, I can't find it, but it was basically I said, I support Trump because I love my children more than my, I love my born children more than I love my enemies' unborn children.
And that, you know, that definitely provoked the abolitionist world.
But, you know, and to clarify that, I can't take it back because I meant it and I still mean it, but I can flesh it out and clarify it a little bit more.
Because I think the natural question that is immediately asked or raised from that is to what degree?
So, do you like when you say you love your born children more than your enemy's unborn children?
Are you saying that, like, economically, like if your children, you know, might get a couple extra tax cuts 20 years down the line when they're adults, you know, and maybe a little bit more economic ease, that you would vote for somebody to give.
An inch of economic ease for your born children at the cost of the murder of your enemy's children.
And so I was able to clarify with this guy and say, no, no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is, as far as I see it, you got two candidates and the death toll for unborn babies.
Sadly, if we're talking about numbers, in principle, there are some distinct principles between lying on a steel table and crying for your mother and left to die versus abortion in the womb.
They are both murder.
Both images of God.
But there are, in principle, those kinds of things do play in.
But I'm the first guy to be willing to admit, in terms of raw numbers of the lives of children, unborn children, the difference in numbers between Trump and Kamala is negligible.
It really is.
But that's the basis of my argument in that landscape.
So I'm not, so if Kamala on the one hand was like going to abolish abortion, and then Trump on the other hand is going to say, you can abort all the way up to seven months, but I'll give tax breaks and help, you know, Help the bottom line of the GDP for your kids 20 years down the road.
Well, that's not my point.
In that scenario, then I'd have to vote for Kamala.
I'm going to have to vote for children not being murdered.
But what I'm saying is, in a world that I think we're currently in, our current landscape, where unborn children are the difference numerically is negligible between the two candidates.
But then the other candidate, like you said, Dusty, holds the Republic together, maybe staves off World War III.
Where our sons and daughters, which is wicked in itself, would have to go and die on foreign soil.
So, foreign affairs, holding off World War III, stopping a full blown invasion at our southern border that changes the political and cultural and spiritual landscape of the country forever, where you maybe can't get it back because of too many illegal immigrants coming into the country.
So, immigration, foreign affairs, and then just our republic as it is, in all those ways, with the abortion being, again, in many ways, a wash, negligible in terms of raw numbers, in that scenario, yes, I am willing to vote for Trump over, not even, of course, it's over Kamala, but over a third party or a write in or non vote to send a message because my highest, it's a natural affection argument,
my highest moral obligation is I see it with my conscience, which could be wrong.
Is to my children and not to my enemy's children or my neighbor's children.
Enemies Within The Universal Church00:06:32
And that's the last piece why not just call them your neighbors?
Why call them your enemies?
Well, because people who murder their children are enemies of God.
They've chosen to be in rebellion against God, and the enemies of God are the enemies of God's people.
They are also neighbors.
So it's not enemy or neighbor.
The large category is neighbor.
And then in neighbors, there are some of those neighbors are neighbors and brothers, and some of those neighbors are neighbors and enemies.
And that's the language that I was trying to use.
Any thoughts on that, Dustin?
Can I ask you a clarifying question?
Yeah, go for it.
All right.
When you talk about your enemies, are you saying that you think that they are beyond salvation, that they can't come to Christ?
Are you saying that?
Not until they're dead.
As long as there's breath in their lungs, there's the hope of Jesus Christ that can save a wretch.
Yeah.
Well, I think that's important to make that clarification distinction because I think a lot of people, when they hear Hear someone talk about someone as an enemy, they think, well, they are gone.
They're too far gone from the gospel.
There's no hope for them.
And I knew you were going to answer.
I both know that person, theologically, that category doesn't exist.
And in the land of the living, until that person goes to meet their maker and breathes their last, that category of an enemy and always an enemy without hope, that's a theological category that doesn't exist.
So certainly I don't believe that.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's an important distinction to make.
And sometimes you even said it in one of your posts here very recently, maybe today or yesterday, that sometimes you say things, you're doing long podcasts, and this is part of the danger of the long form.
You end up saying some things that are kind of tongue in cheek, but then they get taken to mean something that you don't.
And you don't want your argument to die the death of 10,000 qualifications.
But at the same time, We have to be very careful and make sure that we're clarifying whenever we can without killing an argument and recognizing that we have to be patient with each other on one side and believe the best of a brother.
And we really need to be having these conversations about whenever, if we hear something that we think is off, really having that conversation with someone behind the scenes, especially because we are not enemies.
You know, those abolitionists who have been making these arguments and those who have been making the arguments against abolitionists, it's gotten to such a fever pitch and it's just at a choke point now that it's the day of.
I've really been disgusted by a lot of it and I've told a lot of folks that we have to treat each other with love and brotherly affection because really we're not the ones who are going to be the existential threat.
We are not the existential threat to each other.
And when one hand says, well, this is the path of repentance for our nation, and the other says, well, this is the path of repentance, we're still talking about the path of repentance.
We both want repentance.
We don't want our enemies to be ultimately away from the preaching of the gospel.
That's something that we both need to agree and then posture our arguments toward each other like that, and towards, even though we're not in the same church, we're in the same body, the same universal church.
And we've got to be able to.
Uh, argue with each other and make our positions clear with uh brotherly affection.
Sadly, and you know this, we both know it, but uh, sadly, there are some guys, not all of them, but there are some guys on both sides of the aisle, abolitionists and non abolitionists, that um, they did get to a fever pitch to such a degree that um, I you know, we got the hope of the gospel, the biggest white pill there is, so you know, God can do anything, and so in that sense, I am hopeful, but at a practical level, relational level.
Reconciliation for some of these guys is going to be real hard and in human terms looks unlikely.
And that is an absolute loss.
That's an L. That's a defeat.
And that's really sad.
I'm curious, and you don't have to, you know, you're live and you're welcome to disagree with me.
Initially, I came in hot.
That's kind of my MO.
Sometimes I come in hot.
But over the last few months, what do you think as an abolitionist?
I've tried to clarify some of my things and treat the abolitionist with respect.
Has that gone unnoticed, or do you feel like.
As a guy who, you know, who's voted for Trump, do you feel like, is there anything you think I could have maybe done better?
Or do you think, like, I think the abolitionists will be willing to partner with Joel again in the future?
I think that they'll be willing to partner with you for sure.
And I think some of this is, it's kind of like in a marriage, even, you know, we have to apologize to our wives more often than we should.
And we recognize in the heat of the moment, We allowed ourselves to go places we shouldn't have, and we have to apologize after the fact.
I think some of this with this election is going to be like that.
I don't think that, again, that our relationships are beyond the gospel, beyond working out the implications of the life, death, and resurrection of Christ in his current reign, that he can reconcile us and we can be ambassadors for Christ who are locked arm in arm and with no, you can't slide a piece of paper between us.
I think that we can get there, but I do think that that needs to happen.
I think initially you said, Some things that you know you probably got caught up in some things, and I think that you've pulled back on that rhetoric quite a lot.
I think that that's been evident from folks that I know on the abolitionist side, they're recognizing that and they're appreciating that.
So, you know, I think the Lord is refining some of us, especially through this season, because this has been a fever pitched season.
But the Lord is refining us, and I see Him doing that with you, and I praise God for that.
Rights And Ballot Initiatives00:15:01
I see Him doing it in me.
Look, I'm not even saying that the position that I'm holding is going to be the position that I hold next time around.
I could be persuaded because my conscience isn't infallible, it's not impeccable.
And I pray that the Lord will continue to humble us by His word and spirit.
And I think that's what's happening.
All right, real quick, if you want to stay on, Wes is going to give us an update and we'll talk a little bit more about the election here.
All right.
What do you got?
Yeah, so 30 minutes ago, like I said, things were trending good.
Trump in the roughly 70% chance of winning range.
Now, you can pull that graphic I just sent you.
We could go into all the states and the breakdowns.
We'll definitely continue to get to those.
But here's really the big picture everything's leaning Trump, around an 80% chance of winning.
Favored now, as of our last update, Kamala was actually leading the estimated, the projected popular vote that was projected that she would come out on top by 0.1.
By 0.1.
So 30, 40 minutes ago, that's where we sat.
As of right now, Trump by half a point.
They just updated it to 0.8 as you were speaking.
It just ticked.
Oh, snap.
So again, Joe Biden won popular vote.
I want to say it was by four points.
Clinton won it two or three points.
Trump still won, obviously, in 2016.
We're talking the popular vote on a raw numerical level, which Republicans have not won for a long time.
Trump projected at this time, all else being equal, everything continues how it's trending, that he would take that.
Really, it Virginia is still very, very close.
Harris has taken the lead there.
New Hampshire is close.
It's going to come down to these six swing states, but he's ran a very targeted, very efficient campaign, got lots of airtime.
Remember, Kamala Harris is hidden from a lot of supporters, a lot of media coverage.
It's looking like he did what he needed to do in those states.
One prayer the state of Arizona, it's close, Kamala Trump.
But more important, there's a ballot initiative, ballot initiative 139, that enshrines the right to abortion into the Constitution.
That one right now is looking like it's going to pass.
I think 64%.
To 36.
So be praying in God's favor that that would fail, just like the amendment failed in Florida.
Be praying, Arizona, Proposition 139, that that would fail.
So that's where we stand.
A real quick list for the listener What are the six swing states that are still contested?
Yeah.
Nevada, Arizona, Georgia.
Georgia's looking great.
Trump's up 51 to 48 with 91% of the vote in.
And then Wisconsin, Michigan, and PA.
And in all of those states, in Pennsylvania, Trump's leading by 3% with 56% of the vote in.
Trump's leading in Wisconsin by about 20,000 votes.
Yeah, by a percent and a half.
51% of the vote in.
And then she is leading in Michigan by 0.3%, by literally 4,000 votes.
Wow.
Every single state, nationally broadly, at every single state.
Checking the Senate quick, the Republicans so far, they just flipped one senate seat in West Virginia.
All right.
Everything's trending good.
Yep.
So, so far, what we are learning is that it turns out in the final analysis, one of the strongest arguments for Trump was four years of Biden.
That's true.
Sometimes it's like, oh, he's racist and he's mean in his Twitter account.
And then it's like four years of inflation, immigration.
And you're like, oh my goodness, give me the mean tweets back, please.
Dusty, I'm curious in Oklahoma how much the immigration topic is playing into things locally and then both their perspective on the national election.
Yeah, we had a bill that went through session this past session.
And it was on immigration.
It would have criminalized illegals.
And I mean, the fines were small, but there was a deportation, but we couldn't flex on it per the state constitution.
So that might come up as a referendum, a ballot initiative in the future, because, you know, and I think that's going to be the case in a lot of states, especially if Kamala were to win.
I think the states would flex their powers.
States have rights.
We don't fight for states' rights.
We flex state powers per the 10th Amendment and due process for all of our citizens.
And that was an issue on that day of the vote.
And the week before, there were maybe 2,000 folks who were pro illegal immigration that were at the Capitol.
And that was probably the most raucous group that came to the Capitol.
Not probably, it was absolutely the most raucous group that came to the Capitol.
There was security everywhere, the troopers were all over, plainclothes officers.
We were there and the governor signed it in, and then he created a task force to see what we could do to strengthen the rights for those who were here legally.
And there were some real bad headlines that came out about that.
And I wrote against it several times and talked with the governor and several leaders in his office about this task force.
So it is an issue for sure.
You know, we'll have to wait and see, but I think under a Trump presidency, I don't think it will be as hot button an issue because he's signaling that he's going to have a strong illegal immigration policy.
So I think the states will probably pull back from that.
Great.
Breaking news.
Yep.
Georgia has been called for Trump, which is huge.
Got Georgia.
Got him, coach.
We got him.
M1.
Cool.
All right, Dusty, any other thoughts?
We'll probably move on to another guest here in just a moment.
Any other thoughts about the election or just the larger landscape, the next four years?
Maybe this.
I mean, much of our marching orders remain the same regardless of who wins the presidential election.
But in light of what seems to be likely with a Trump victory, any particular strategies, any particular things that Christians should be focusing our energies toward over the next four years?
Yeah, for sure.
What we should recognize is that we get the leaders that we deserve and that we ultimately want.
And if you have a citizenship that is largely, you're going to get the citizenship that's engaged.
You're going to get the citizens that are most engaged are going to provide your civil servants.
So I think what we're seeing not only with since this year with the primaries in these various states, There were massive landslide wins for real right conservatives in numerous states.
If you just look at the Freedom Caucus as an example, they had at least 106 candidates out of their 122 or so that won, which is a major win.
The Freedom Caucus is the furthest right of all the conservative groups.
And that was massive.
In Oklahoma, we saw the same several very important candidates who were grassroots candidates in races that.
They that were projected they'll never win.
Well, you saw strong Christian and real right candidates winning those races.
And I think, you know, I get calls nearly every day from folks around the country who are saying, Hey, what can I do?
I've seen since COVID, we were back on our heels, we were complacent, we were apathetic towards the rule of Christ in our nation and really governing not according to tyranny, but governing according to God's word.
And we are seeing a massive uptick of real Christian.
Men with backbones who are saying they're going to run for office.
And that's got to be at the local levels, whether it's the precinct or the county or the district, and to the state levels.
And I think the most important aspect since 2020, and especially in this race, is that the states are going to rise up and you're going to see more strong Christian legislators be voted into office, more candidates running for office.
And that's where this really has to head.
We're not going to.
To see things change on a federal level until we see things change at the very most local levels.
And I'm encouraged by that.
If you look at the next generation of leaders that are coming up, they're hearing the call.
And I perceive that by 28, we'll have a whole lot more real right Christian candidates who are running and winning in offices.
And I'm not saying that 28 is going to provide us a different presidential outlook than JD Vance or.
Or someone like him.
But I do think when we look to 32 and even 36, you're going to see, I think it'll change.
Yeah, great.
All right, cool.
Thanks for hopping on the show.
Hey, my pleasure.
It's an honor to be with you guys.
Thank you guys for what you do.
Yeah, thank you too.
God bless.
God bless.
All right.
Wes, any further updates?
So the New York Times has, have you seen their live forecast one?
That's what I'm looking at a little bit.
That's wild.
So they've bumped their estimate of Trump because remember, different counties will vote different ways, right?
Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania, the city.
Like, you're not going to expect ballot jumps that are 60% Trump.
So, based on different counties, they can project we expect it to be this or that.
So, right now, New York Times is projecting Trump up to now to win by two percentage points.
Remember, Joe Biden only won by about 80,000 votes there in Pennsylvania.
So, New York Times projecting Trump to win Pennsylvania.
They haven't called it yet.
But as of now, if everything continues how it will continue, win by two.
Michigan to Trump.
2.3 percentage points.
That's what they're predicting.
Which would mean he would pretty much sweep the Rust Belt states.
Well, they're predicting Wisconsin, too.
Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, which would be 312 electoral votes.
And the Senate races in those states are close.
Because if Trump wins handily in the electoral vote, for one, praise God, there's not going to be a lot of violence.
There's going to be no contesting.
It's not going to be like, well, no, there was just one state he won by and it got shady.
For one, it secures against violence.
But then if he secures down ballots, people came out to vote for Trump, they filled it out for Republican, and he gets Senate.
And the House.
If he takes the Senate, it's probably going to be six years before, based on what seats come available, Democrats will have a chance to take the Senate again.
Well, the next cycle is unfavorable for us because of the ones that are.
Someone unfavorable.
But here's the thing if you take a five or six seat lead, even if the next unfavorable cycle, you lose two or three.
Yeah, absolutely.
You're right.
So that's what you're looking at is not just a Senate majority, but a House majority.
You control all three chambers.
And this would be called a mandate to rule.
Right.
It's not just the people delivered you bottom of the ninth.
Razor thin margin, 50% plus one wants you.
The nation wants you.
In any individual state, they want this party governing.
That would give Trump so much more leeway than he had with it.
It was a pretty narrow Senate.
I think it was 51 to 49 that he had in 2016 until he lost the House and in the 2018 midterm.
He had it narrowly, you're right.
So if he takes the Senate and the House, he would have a mandate.
And when you have more than a majority of just one, you can then actually do in the Senate things that would be close.
Because if you have a majority of one and there's one defector, a Mitt Romney type, a this side or the other, Well, you can't get through what you want.
But if you have room for two, three, four defectors, still push your program through, threaten to primary those who don't go with you, that's huge.
So we're looking at, I mean, Obamacare 2008.
Obama had a super majority in the Senate.
He had it in the House.
That's how he's able to get through his Medicare reform and Obamacare.
Yep.
Trump is looking at this if everything continues how it's trending.
Yeah.
He's the Senate seats are dragging a little behind.
Like even the ones where Republicans are winning, they're winning by less percentage points than Trump might be winning in that state.
And even a few of them kind of are flipping back and forth between Democrats and Republicans for the Senate races.
We got Terry Lake.
Go ahead.
Oh, I was just going to say real quick we got an update from.
Barack Obama trying to set the stage for the cheating.
He said on X, it took several days to count every ballot in 2020, and it's very likely we won't know the outcome tonight either.
So please keep a few things in mind as you make your voice heard today.
Thousands of election workers around the country are working hard today.
Respect them, thank them.
Don't share things before checking your sources.
Let the process run its course.
By the process, of course, he means let the stealing run its course.
Um, it takes time to count every ballot.
Um, thank you, Barack Obama.
And how long ago was that?
Like, very, very recently.
Oh, my word.
No, thanks.
No, we're gonna find out tonight, and uh, and your uh, your wicked reign is over.
Uh, Barack Obama, I mean, really, this last four years has been his third term, yeah.
Yeah, so uh, you are done being president, sir.
Thank you.
Um, all right.
So, Arizona, Carrie Lake is the candidate for governor there, correct?
Or is it Senate, Michael?
I think she's running Senate this time.
She lost the governorship two years ago.
Yep, she's running for Senate.
She's running behind by seven points.
She has fallen off a cliff.
She's kind of on YouTube.
For one, this is why you don't put women up.
But for two, this is why it's so important to run good candidates.
Like these races are not just, well, we'll win if Trump brings people out.
If you don't feel good candidates, the candidate for the North Carolina governor, he had a major scandal and it's probably going to cost us the governorship of that state.
The Republicans need to run moral men.
That are highly qualified, that are highly capable to have, especially in these close races where you can't afford a scandal like Mark Robinson in North Carolina.
I'm seeing real quick in the chat, Iowa just got called for Trump.
Can we get a confirmation on that?
Iowa got called for Trump.
Trump says yes.
And what's huge is there's a very accurate poll called the Selzer Poll.
And it showed Sarah's winning over the weekend.
What was it, like plus nine or something like that?
Yeah, she's been plus nine in Iowa for Kamala.
Plus three.
This one particular poll.
That's like kind of a bellwether.
But it was like a nine point swing or something like that.
It was completely off.
None of that to be expected.
If you're just joining us right now, the night so far is going for Trump.
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Yep.
Everything's looking good.
Don't sleep though.
Don't let them pull the shades down.
That's right.
No continuing counting in the back room.
Disregard Obama's tweet that he just put out there.
Completely disregard.
That's right.
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Cool.
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God bless.
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Right.
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I also, I want to go on record saying I love David Reese.
Yeah.
Yeah.
David Reese, when Jeff Durbin, and no harm, no foul, nobody's mad at Jeff Durbin.
I'm, well, some people probably are, you know, but I'm not mad at Jeff Durbin.
But when he dropped our conference because of beef between, you know, what you just got to keep in mind, James White is Jeff Durbin's co-elder.
Right.
I mean, so it's like, it shouldn't be a surprise, you know, that if Stephen Wolfe, you know, his rhetoric on X, he's spicy just like I am.
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I really don't.
I think that he's spicy.
Anyways, love Dr. White.
I also love Stephen Wolf.
But it got heated enough to where Jeff Durbin decided to drop the conference.
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Are you thinking about dropping too?
I won't be upset if you are.
And he laughed and said, no.
He's like, I profoundly disagree.
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Give us an update, Wes.
All right.
Actually, some people have been asking for a map.
I don't know if it's the map of the election, but Nate, I did text you one if you could put it up and Wes can talk us through some of these updates.
Yeah, so it looks like this is the decision desk headquarters.
They're projecting Bernie Moreno, Republican, wins the U.S. Senate race in Ohio, which would be a GOP flip.
So we just talked 20 minutes ago how important the Senate is.
You can't just, we're not a monarchy.
We're not just the president's rule of law, although executive action has taken that down.
Winning the Senate, winning the House are also important too.
Looks like, according to Decision Desk headquarters, Another GOP tenancy flip.
So that's awesome.
Trump's estimated 87% chance of victory per New York Times at this point, a 300 electoral college votes with a 1% popular vote margin.
Those are the projections right now.
He's up by three points, I think over two points in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
Jose Vega, seeing the chat.
There's your map, bud.
You got it, bro.
Yep.
You're welcome.
Yep.
So this is as current as I could screenshot it and Nate could put it out from the New York Times website.
Yes, you'll see right there Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan.
Wisconsin's 58% of the vote in, Pennsylvania is 67%.
Now, here's a difference.
And what's the difference?
Pennsylvania is 51% for Trump, 48% for Kamala, and Wisconsin's 50 48% for Trump.
Okay.
Here's the difference, too, we're seeing between 2020 and now.
In Georgia, in 2020, Fulton County, that was where the pipe burst.
Right.
It was so close.
I mean, I think the margin was something like 10,000 votes.
That's where you had that phone call.
Trump's on with the governor.
He's like, I just need you to find me 10,000.
Super close counting goes on for days.
There will be probably some counting and some ballots still opened, but it's been called now.
The margin of victory, it's 3% at this point, is such that it's not that close anymore.
That even outstanding ballots remaining aren't going to be enough to overcome the deficit.
So, this is not all the signs seem to be pointing to because I'm sure we all have PTSD, right?
Yep.
Looking good.
Estimates are in.
You go to bed, you wake up.
What in the world happened?
Michigan, Pennsylvania.
But I mean, in Georgia, where we know fraud looked very suspicious, that was a suitcase gate.
They're hauling that suitcase and pulling out ballots, scanning them again and again.
That was in Georgia.
There appears no possible way that would happen now because the margins of votes already counted mean it wouldn't even be possible to get that many.
And if they did it, Elon Musk would probably be there personally.
He'd call his jet guy and be like, we're going to Georgia, Fulton County.
So Georgia looking good.
And the point is with Pennsylvania, I think the mayor or secretary of state about Philadelphia County said, well, it could be a couple of days till Philadelphia County results are in.
Lame.
White pill, it might not matter.
If he's already won most of the other state by 3%, there wouldn't be enough votes to be found there to overcome the difference.
Yep.
Yep.
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Yeah.
All right.
People are begging for AD.
They want to see AD.
They want to see AD, huh?
The reasonable Latino.
Some other have asked, What bourbon are we drinking?
This is walking stick single barrel bourbon.
It's a good bourbon.
I like it.
All right.
The people have spoken.
I'm putting it on speakerphone.
I'm calling 80 right now.
He said, I'm going to bed.
Nope.
I'm trying again.
Oh, we got a ring.
I got one ring.
It's 11 there, right?
He might be doing, I don't know if he's doing his own live stream or maybe he hopped on with somebody else.
I'll call, yeah, I'll call Brian.
It's top of the hour.
We could take a quick break.
Yeah, we can take a quick break.
I'm going to call Brian Sauvay.
I'll do it right now because it's always fun just to embarrass myself like I just did with calling AD.
And he just completely ignored my call, sent it straight to voicemail.
All right, so here we go.
We've got Brian Sauvay.
Where are you?
Where are you?
I'm already seeing tweets.
I've got a lot of tweets.
Kenny Robles, answer the phone.
Yeah.
Get them, guys.
Get them.
Just hound them.
Hound them on X. Here we go.
Brian Sylvain, give him a call.
He's only got like 17 kids, so I'm sure he's available.
Oh, we've got a ring.
Let's see.
Let me take him off speaker in case he makes a spicy joke.
You really don't have to be that good, Brian.
Brian's the same guy online as he is in person, which is a blessing.
Sounds like I'm seeing reports on the Kamala campaign.
So campaigns will send out official announcements and everything.
Sounds like they've gone dark.
They're not putting a spin on it.
You know, like, well, we see strong turnout in Florida, but we're excited for the turnout.
Yep.
They're not saying much, which may not be.
They haven't said much the entire campaign.
So I know, Brian, I called Eric Kahn right before we started live streaming.
We talked for a little bit.
I don't know if I can read that.
He just texted me.
Brian did.
He said he's in the bath.
So, all right, so we'll leave Brian alone.
He's celebrating a Trump victory in his own way.
But yeah, we'll probably take a quick break and I will call the reasonable Latino again.
I'll call Brian again.
I'll give Eric a call.
Anybody in the chat, tell us anybody else that you want us to grab on the stream?
Anybody else that you think would be fun to interact?
We can reach out.
I'll call Andrew, Isker, give him a call.
You guys, can you think of anybody else?
Those are my suggestions.
All right.
So, Isker, CJ, we've already had Wolf, we've already had Devers.
I could call William, William Wolf.
Oh, yeah.
You know, we had Wolf the Greater, we could get Wolf the Lesser.
He'll have some great analysis for sure.
Yeah, William Wolf will be fantastic.
This is his domain.
He was in the Trump administration back in 2016.
All right.
So, William Wolf, Adi Robles, Eric Kahn, Brian Sauvay.
Andrew Isker, CJ.
So I'll call them.
We'll take a quick water break.
Man shall not live by bourbon alone.
We'll take a quick water break, call some guys, get some reinforcements, and come back on, keep on trucking, at least for a little while.
It'd be great if we could get a decision tonight.
We'll see.
See the escalator ride one more time.
Oh, man.
Live with all of you.
That'd be beautiful.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Maybe we will.
Somebody said, AD just posted on X 20 minutes ago.
So we know he's awake.
We know as of 20 minutes ago, he was.
We will get him.
80's my guy.
80 loves me.
He will do it.
He'll come on.
80.
I just got to say this, man.
80 Robles.
You know, I tweeted out like middle of last week.
I said, Can you feel it?
The vibe shift is coming.
Yep.
And it came, and I got a lot of support, and I'm really grateful for all of you guys.
But there were some guys who, before the vibe shift came, they're like, We know Joel, we know his character, and.
And we're with him.
And one of those guys was AD Robles.
AD Robles was just, I mean, that guy.
I'll say this.
Find you a friend like Adi Robles.
Amen.
That guy, he came to my defense and he swinged.
It wasn't even about him.
And he was way more upset than I was.
I remember talking to him afterwards.
I was like, hey, man, I don't want to burn bridges.
I know Doug just did his burn bridges video for no quarter.
If Doug wants to do that, that's fine.
I would like to not burn the bridges, especially since I watched Doug's video and the bridge is burning and some of the fire catches onto his sweater.
Is that like prophetic symbolism there?
You burn the bridge and the whole town ends up burning down and you all Set yourself on fire, maybe not a good idea.
Uh, but I, you know, I called AD and I was like, Hey, man, you know, let's let's, you know, um, I'd like to still be friends with all these guys, and um, uh, but the point is, AD, um, he's the kind of guy that, um, if he he sticks with his gut, with his convictions, if he feels as though he's found the truth, yep, he grabs on and he will not let go.
And if he's outnumbered 10 to 1, he's like, I like my odds, yep, and he just goes.
So it wasn't even him, it was me that was in the hot seat.
And yet, AD was more upset than I was because he loves truth.
But also, I'd like to think, I don't know if he could say it out loud.
He's probably, it'd probably make him a little bit uncomfortable.
I'm more mushy than he is.
But I think, I think that whether he says it or not, AD loves the truth and he also loves Joel Webb.
I think he would say it.
He does.
He loves me.
We know he loves me.
All right.
Let's take a quick break.
Real quick, let's just pray.
Sovereign God Over This Election00:05:59
Father God, we thank you that you're sovereign over all things, that there's no king but Christ in the truest, ultimate sense.
That he is ruling and reigning right now over every single molecule in the universe.
Nothing happens outside of your control.
And even suffering and even sin is something that is preordained by you.
The greatest sin that's ever been committed in all of human history was the murder of a perfectly sinless, innocent man, the Lord Jesus Christ.
And even this, you say in the book of Acts that the Jews and the Romans and all these people from all over gathered together.
To participate in what your hand and your plan predestined to come about.
So, Pilate is responsible for the murder of Jesus.
The Romans are responsible for the murder of Jesus.
The Jews are responsible for the murder of Jesus.
And us, 2,000 years later, because of our sin that made the cross necessary, are responsible for the murder of Jesus.
And yet, also, you ordained it.
Both of those things are true at once.
You ordained it.
Human agency, Human moral culpability and the absolute sovereignty of God reigning supreme over all of it.
And if you were sovereign over that, then we know that you are sovereign over this.
You're sovereign over this election and you will give to your people.
You work, Romans chapter eight, you work all things together for the good of those who love you.
Sorry, guys, I should have taken off my hat.
You work all things together for the good of those who love you and are called according to your purpose.
You are going to do, you are going to.
A cause, and you have ordained the outcome of this election for two reasons.
Number one, to garner for yourself the absolute, maximal, optimal amount of glory possible for your glory.
But secondly, for the good of your people.
You do everything for your glory and for the eternal good of your people.
And so we know that the outcome of the election is in your hands and it will be for our good, regardless of the outcome.
And you are infinitely wise.
You know better than us.
All that being said, lastly, Lord, Even though you're sovereign, even though you've already made up your mind, prayer is not a way for human beings to change the mind of the God of the universe.
You've already made up your mind, we're not changing your mind.
And yet, prayer still matters.
And it doesn't just matter for us, it matters to you.
You, although you've already made up your mind, and although you do all things well according to your good and perfect counsel, you have told us in your holy word that you love your children to come to you and to make our petitions known, to be anxious about nothing, but in prayer and supplication to make our requests known to you.
Like the widow who knocks on the wicked judge on his door 10 times, again and again, petitioning.
So, too, you use that as a parable, as an example of how we should come to you and not only petition once or twice, but again and again.
You love to hear the prayers of your people.
So, we ask you, Lord, we know you're sovereign.
We know you do what's good.
We know you do what's right.
But we do bring a petition, a specific petition.
We pray that if it's your will, that you would give to us Donald J. Trump as our president, not because he's the savior, not because he's the Christian prince.
But because he brings less destruction than Kamala Harris.
And we love our nation and we love our children, we love our families, we love our churches, and we would like to have as much blessing, as much peace as possible.
We know that Trump does bring, he is a judgment and he does bring judgment.
But we believe that he is less of a judgment and brings less judgment than Kamala.
And because we love our country and our families and our churches, We pray that you would be so kind and merciful to give us less destruction and less judgment than what we really deserve.
So, Lord, we pray if it be your will, would you cause Donald J. Trump to be our president, to be elected, and that it would happen tonight?
We pray this in Jesus' name.
Amen.
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Praying In Jesus Name00:05:07
Oh, get the girl, boys, don't you know the dragons out there, dragons out there.
Boys, don't be slow, cut down the vibe, then go get the girl.
Sunset, a sky, made as a flower, all slender and wild.
You swear that you've never seen anything more.
Lovely is this river, daughter, before.
Take your strings and be a clown, while dragons
out there, lose
my mind.
See what sun bright, river, valley, green and wild.
With your hair down, you taught me how to burn, if I could have you.
All right, we are back.
Are we live, Nate?
We're live.
We're so back.
Here we are.
We're so back.
Whenever you feel the we're so over, just know that it will always inevitably be swallowed up by the unstoppable we're so back.
That's right.
Here we go.
Washington And California Called00:13:45
Okay, update.
So things are looking good.
Washington and California called for Kamala Harris.
No surprise there.
Colorado, Chase Davis, hardest hit, called for Kamala Harris as well.
Pennsylvania, 76% of the vote in.
Donald Trump still leading 51 to 48.
I'm going to read a breakdown.
So, this is Twitter account Christian Hyans, H E I E N S. Don't vouch for everything on their profile.
I don't know what it is, but they have some good analysis.
Why Trump is going to win in Pennsylvania.
This is just literally eight minutes ago.
Philly, Philadelphia County is only coming in for Harris by 57 points when Biden carried it by over 63.
Almost all of Pittsburgh is in.
That's steel country, Trump country.
Trump still leads by 3%, over 140,000 votes statewide.
And hardly any of Cambria County is in yet.
Trump carried it by 26,000 votes in 2020.
Just about every path to victory runs through Pennsylvania.
Trump is in a great position to win it, which is awesome.
Trump is leading in Wisconsin, 51 48, with 66% of the vote in.
And then Michigan, 52 46.
Trump is winning, only 33% of the vote in.
33, yep.
A lead of like 2,000 votes in Arizona.
Very, very close in Arizona.
That's not good.
That's.
If Trump takes the rust belt, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
But if Trump was to only take Pennsylvania, for instance, so if he loses Arizona or say even Nevada with sweeps, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, doesn't really matter.
But that's the closest, actually.
I'm glad Arizona is the closest.
Pennsylvania is the closest.
That's a little bit worse.
Yeah.
What's Pennsylvania's what?
Like 22?
19 electoral votes.
Got re proportioned after the census.
Okay.
And Arizona's less than that, right?
Yep.
Arizona is 12, I want to say.
11.
And then Nevada's six.
Yep.
Michigan 16.
Why do you think?
I mean, Arizona used to be pretty deep red.
Just California spillover or what?
California bleed over and it's a border state too.
Yeah.
Ah, yeah.
Yep.
That'll do it.
Yep.
And places like they're balkanizing.
It's funny when you look at this map, lots of places have turned red and some blue.
Red places in the country, they're getting redder.
Florida.
Yep.
Blue places are, in this election, is not showing up as much, but I would have to think like they're getting bluer.
I was in downtown Austin today for work and, uh, My goodness, the amount of Harris Wall signs.
Yeah.
In a deep red state, a state that Trump is about to carry, downtown Austin.
Oh, well, yeah.
Yeah.
Awesome.
That's terrible.
But I'll tell you.
So the blue are going to the cities.
Texas is.
Texas is.
Trump's winning by 14 points in Texas right now.
So that's pretty.
That's not terrible.
That's much better.
Yeah.
Because it only went, I can't remember, but I think it was like 52 to 48 percent, something like that on 2020.
Trump.
Let me check what Ted Cruz is up by.
I was just checking that.
So they haven't called it yet, but he's up by 10%.
Yep.
So that's great.
We'll hold the Senate seat there.
We mentioned earlier, it looks like the Republicans will flip a Senate seat in Ohio.
Right.
So that would be two flip seats.
They would only need one more seat then to have a majority in the Senate, assuming JD Vance takes the vice presidency.
House is looking good.
Live forecast Trump now with an 89% chance of victory.
I said earlier, one of the things to be worried about, the odds creep up.
If things look good early, 75% chance of winning.
We all saw, we went to bed, that 75% evaporated.
In this case, instead of the evaporation as it's gotten later into the night, it's continued to go up.
It's getting higher.
Yeah, that's huge.
Now, estimated 1.1% popular vote margin.
Wow.
Which would be 1.1% popular vote margin projected.
1.1%?
A 1% vote margin.
Then it was 0.5.
Now it's 1.1%.
Yep.
Yep.
So breaking records.
I had a little bit to share on how disappointing some of these measures and some of these races were.
It's not a black bill.
Anything else to add before that?
No.
No.
All right.
So Delaware Democrat Sarah McBride, Sarah McBride, quote, if you're listening, wins U.S. House seat, the first trans identifying person.
To do so, so we have just elected the first transgender individual.
The abortion amendment in Florida, amendment four, it was 57 for 43 against.
Yep, more than half of the state wanted it, and when it voted for it, but it required a 60 percent threshold to pass.
Wow, like say everything else, Trump wins, takes Senate, takes House.
There's so much more work to do.
Yep, to seize power, to crush our enemies legally, of course.
In the institutions, but it's not just that you don't get out of 60 years of rebellion with a good election night and a shrewd campaign.
That's right.
The repentance that's needed, I was comparing with someone on the phone, and like the repentance, if you got into some sin and you came out of it on your own, like there's repentance and restoration needed there, depending on the damage you did.
But compared to a years long affair, for instance, if you get into sin that far, the repentance process is not some counseling, some walking together, and some healing.
It's going to be years of building back trust.
And so bring that to a national level.
Not just some change, not just some apostasy, but decades upon decades upon decades in all these different areas.
None of that is changed by a great night tonight.
So praise God, as we just prayed, as seems to be the case.
Donald J. Trump elected president, a Senate, a House, Amendment 4 failing in Florida.
Praise God.
Amen.
So much more work to do.
Ben Marsh posted a graph.
This is religious attendance.
From Gallup poll.
And it's gone down from 76% in 1945 to 47% in 2020.
So nationally, more people than not do not.
Now, this is all religious attendance.
But to your point, Wes, like we, I think a lot of us have said for a while if Trump wins, what it does is it gives us a window for the church to become more purified, more insistent, more passionate, more.
Vocal, more insistent on righteousness, more evangelistic.
And it really just buys us time to do the work that we need to be doing.
Yep.
Right.
Okay.
So do you think we're going to get an answer tonight?
An answer?
An escalator ride?
I don't think so.
Apparently, per Fox News, the Harris campaign, I just mentioned this a little bit ago, they stopped giving comments.
Gone dark.
The campaign's not.
You know, sending out like we're looking good, we're looking strong.
They've gone dark, like nothing, nothing.
The going their direction, the Kamala one, the Kamala Harris campaign.
Yep.
So, if you were to call them up, like, how's the campaign feeling about the path to Vic?
Click, it's AD Robles style.
This call has been forwarded.
Oh man, oh, it's great.
Trump at 91% chance of victory now on New York Times.
Wow, wow.
I mean, because he's up by three percent in Pennsylvania, he's up by Three percent in Wisconsin, yeah.
He's definitely gonna have Georgia.
I don't know why they haven't called it yet, but and let me tell you what, too.
There was a lot of Republicans.
I know it feels like, well, what did we fix about the voting for our last time and this, that, or the other?
Praise God, there's a lot of salt of the earth Republicans.
I was getting phone calls from like here in the Republican County going through voter rolls.
Hey, your address doesn't match and says you're suspended.
Do you need to fix that?
A lot of good people.
And again, maybe they wouldn't be attending necessarily our churches and in our camps, but they really did get on their feet and they got out there and they said something went way wrong in 2020.
Charlie Kirk, great guy.
He went on the ground in Pennsylvania.
He said, My mission is to find 100,000 votes.
I'm going to go there.
The margin of victory for the victory for Biden was 80,000 in 2020.
I'm going to get on the ground personally, get money involved.
I'm going to find 100K votes and make a difference.
So praise God for people that, again, they recognize there's more to be done than a presidential victory.
But they said, I'm going to roll up my sleeves and I'm going to be a poll watcher.
I'm going to volunteer.
I'm going to be a precinct chair.
I'm going to get out the vote.
I'm going to door knock.
That really, in many ways, other things too, definitely move the needle on this election.
Yeah.
Wow.
Wow, that's good.
I wonder.
Sorry, Nate, we've got a couple comments saying audio is cutting in and out.
Every five seconds.
Yep.
I wonder if, you know, like with all the indictments that have been brought against Trump, I wonder if Democrats will bring a new indictment for him just beating women.
You know, it's like he doesn't beat men, but now it looks like it's like you beat two women.
You beat two women.
You beat Hillary Clinton, you beat Conway Harris.
It's like he's a woman beater.
You know my word.
That's too funny.
That's a tough campaign to run.
It is kind of funny that you've been like Trump like three different campaigns.
And the one thing that he did 100% of the time was beat the female candidate.
That same account, Christian Hines 75% of Philadelphia is already in.
There's an estimated 172,000 votes remaining in Philly.
Even if Harris won 100% of these votes, she would only lead.
Trump by less than 8,000 votes statewide.
Hardly any of a couple other big pro Trump counties are in, meaning there's really not a great path to victory in Pennsylvania, which almost all the election rests on Pennsylvania.
Right.
So lots of reasons to be optimistic.
They said before the election that if Trump won Pennsylvania, Harris only had a 4% chance of winning the general election.
If Trump won Pennsylvania?
Wow.
Yep.
Wow.
I didn't know that.
You're telling me that for the first time.
Great.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Well, Joel, do you think we're going to get hold of any of these other guys?
I don't know.
I went out there and I checked on Megan to see how she's doing, if there's any development on the baby horizon, which I don't know.
I kind of have a feeling the baby might be coming.
Could happen tonight.
Salvatory birth.
Yeah, it could happen tonight.
Could happen tomorrow.
But definitely, I think soon she said she started to feel like a little bit of tightness.
We always, you know, like we try to.
Labor as much at home as possible.
So she's laying down and just trying to rest because it's not that uncomfortable at this point.
But yeah, so I checked on her.
I got some water.
I didn't end up calling anybody, sent a few more texts.
And it seems like most of the guys are feeling pretty awesome.
It's because they started at five o'clock this morning.
Right, exactly.
And I think they're feeling optimistic and they're like, all right, we got it.
We got the win.
And a lot of guys are going to bed.
So I didn't really have anybody lined up to join.
How many people do we have on X right now, Nate?
Okay, 1500.
We're down to 284 on YouTube.
Okay, how many?
284.
Yeah.
I think we say a few more things if we have a few more thoughts, but I think it's starting to, I think people are starting to go to bed.
And I think what Wes said was really helpful that the difference with this go around versus 2020 election is that 2020 election started strong and then started to evaporate.
So it's like this 75% slated to win with the percentages for Trump, 75% chance.
And then, you know, all of a sudden in an hour, you know, it just starts to tank.
Yep.
So as it got later in the night, the victory began to evaporate.
And what we're seeing now is with each passing hour, it just gets higher.
Yeah.
You know, so it's like went from like, you know, 75 to, you know, 85 to now we're at what, 91%?
89% chance, right?
Yeah.
Went to 91, now it's at 89.
Yep.
Now it's at 89.
So looking pretty good.
Yeah.
And I do probably need to sleep some tonight because you guys are gonna have a baby.
Yeah, maybe we may be.
My prediction is maybe, uh, maybe early in the a.m. might be making a drive to the hospital.
Um, all right.
Uh, somebody, uh, JY reformer said, Thought you guys were gonna do a simulcast with Isker and CJ.
We would have loved that.
Uh, we were never quite confident though, uh, that the on the tech side that we could quite pull it off, right?
So that was.
Part of the problem, Andrew, he texts me and said, Yeah, we're down.
Let's, you know, and we, you know, tried a little bit and I just, I don't think it's going to happen.
But I hear that they did a great job with their stream.
They had some great guests, good political commentary.
All right.
Wes, Michael, any other thoughts?
AD tweeted, he said, I'm a simple man.
All I want is to watch compilation videos of unhinged women crying and sad tweets from big.
Eva, for the rest of the week, is that too much to ask?
Russell Moore And Church Work00:03:38
Yep, amen.
He said the same thing about something similar about David French, yeah, yeah, and Russell Moore.
It's like I'm a simple man, all I want is for Russell Moore to be in tears, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Do you have anything, Michael?
I think we've got most of it.
I'm really, um, I told my kids before we went into the election today, I said, Look, um, we talk about politics a lot, we talk about the election, we think it's important, but uh, legitimately, um, there's no worry, there's no fear, right?
There's no room for that.
At this point in history, either way, you know, even though tonight seems like it's going towards Trump, and that's, you know, that's great.
There's no room for cowardice or mamsie pamsie, or it's time to work.
It's time to gird up our loins and act like men.
And regardless of what happens, if Trump wins, we don't get the next four years of not doing anything.
Right.
Right.
If anything, we work harder because we have a window.
Right.
So.
Yep.
Time to get to work.
If we win, and it looks like we will, praise God.
But if we get the win at the presidential level, then that just means at the local level, we've got lots and lots and lots of work to do planting churches, starting businesses, starting families, households, trying to build wealth, getting involved in local politics, running for office, all those different things to actually cause change.
For too long, Christians have been relatively uninterested in this world.
We've misquoted and misexegeted so many of.
So much of the scripture and so many of the particular things that have been said by our Lord Jesus Himself.
You know, like my kingdom is not of this world.
And Christians, you know, have twisted that and taken that as a license.
Well, I have a whole chapter on that verse.
Oh, nice.
But we've taken, yeah, we've just taken that and used it as a license to say, well, Jesus doesn't really care about the world and neither do I.
But the world matters.
God loves the world and he made the world.
He's redeeming the world.
And we should be involved as his hands and feet.
Christ is the head of the church, the church is his body.
And, um, And he's been appointed head not just of the church, he's head of the church in a unique sense that the church is the only entity for which he died.
But in an authoritative sense, Jesus has been set up by God the Father as head of all things for the benefit of the church.
So the church is his agency to be used in the world and not just within the church institute, but the church as a body is to affect all the institutions.
So we want pure, godly, righteous churches, but then we want Christians to also not just have good, healthy churches, but as the church institute, but to be the church and to go out and to redeem all the other different realms of society as well, not just the church, but also the home, the family, but then also the political sphere, also media, medicine,
economics and markets, and all these different things.
And so there's a lot of work to be done.
And with four years of Trump Vance, And a more favorable political landscape available to us that will create, maybe not perfect or optimal, but it will create undoubtedly better conditions, cultural, political, and economic conditions for building.
Better Conditions For Building00:05:32
And so these next four years, it will be much, much more feasible for you at every practical level to start that business that you've been thinking about than it would have been with the Kamala presidency.
It will be easier for you to run at the local level for city council, to run for office.
It will be easier for you to start your media company or to start whatever it is that you're doing.
Investments, I think, at an economic level, investments will be better, all these different things.
It'll be easier for you and more profitable for you to buy some Bitcoin these next four years than it would have been with Kamala.
At every level, the list goes on and on and on.
So think, strategize, pray, dream, but then get to work and do something.
Don't just say, oh, yay, we won.
A Trump victory doesn't mean that it's over, like the war is over.
It means now it's time to get started.
Gain some ground.
Yeah, gain some ground.
One of the big X factors, like North Carolina, the governor, he just, the Republicans lost the race.
They feel that a bad candidate that had demons in his closet.
Like, why is Dusty Devers, I mean, he got mocked on the Jimmy Kimmel show.
Like a nationally syndicated program, mocked, and all of these different things.
We can stand up to it because he has character.
Where we've run bad candidates, we've run women like Carrie Lake, where we've run the Mark Robinsons, we lose and we lose tight, important elections.
Run good candidates, find good candidates, find the Dusty Deavers.
They're truly, he could be out there.
He's pastoring, he's building a business, he's laboring.
He doesn't have any idea that he could be for this.
I think of Thomas Massey.
He built his own home off the grid, and the people in his district were begging him, hey, there's an opening, there's a vacancy.
Run for office.
So find those guys.
If you're not that guy, put them up.
Let's have good candidates.
I don't want to plug my nose to have to vote for Ted Cruz again in 2028.
Right.
People will get out to the polls.
They'll be more excited.
We'll seize more power when we put up Christian men of good character.
That is so critical to all of this.
Yep.
Amen.
All right.
Well, thank you guys for tuning in.
Appreciate all the patriots in the chat.
Thank you for loving Christ, loving his kingdom, wanting the best for our nation.
We are our constant prayer is that God would be so merciful that he would give us.
Significantly better than what we deserve.
So we deserve a Kamala presidency.
Yeah, we do.
But God may be gracious enough to give us Trump.
And Trump is a judgment in and of itself.
And he brings because Trump is not the righteous man that we wish he was.
So he is a judgment and he brings judgment.
But by God's grace, we believe that he's a less severe judgment and that he also brings and garners less future judgment.
And so that is.
For that reason alone, that is a blessing and a mercy from the Lord.
It's a mercy to our families, to our local churches, to our children.
It's a mercy to our tax dollars.
It's a mercy to all those kinds of things.
And it's a mercy to the world.
When you think of loving neighbors, and even we obviously have a higher, more obligation to our fellow citizens than we do people on the other side of the world.
But we do love people on the other side of the world.
Natural affections doesn't mean I love this group of people and hate everyone else.
It just means that in the order of morals, the order of loves, that there is a hierarchy, there's a prioritization.
If I love everyone equally, that's essentially all that is, is really just saying that I don't love anyone at all.
Because not even because of our fallenness and sin, but because of our finitude.
We are finite creatures.
We're not omnibenevolent and we're not omnipresent and we're not omniscient.
And so we're not capable of fully loving 8.2 billion people.
But that said, Order of morals matters.
Natural affections matter.
A hierarchy of loves and familial obligations and all these kinds of things matter.
But none of that means that we don't love the world and people on the other side of the world.
And Trump's not just better for our churches and our families and our nation, he is better for the world.
The world right now is rooting for Donald Trump to win.
There will be more peace.
With Donald Trump than there would be without him.
And so, for the sake of not just our families, that comes first, but not just our families and our churches and our nation, but for the sake of war torn countries and foreign conflicts and everything with Russia and Ukraine to Iran and Israel and all at every single level, it is better for the world.
It's not perfect.
There's plenty of problems, but it is an improvement.
It is better for the world.
To have the next four years with Trump in office than the last four years without him.
And so, for all those reasons, I think that there's much to be encouraged about.
And let's keep praying because the funny business happened before.
It could happen again.
But let's keep praying.
But this time it looks a lot better.
Keep Praying For Evangelical Turnout00:13:16
Can we get one last update before we close out?
What's the overall percentage?
It was 89%.
New York Times has the overall percentage at 89% still.
Okay, 89%.
Popular vote prediction is.
One point exactly on the nose.
Okay.
So we got, we were 0.1%, then we got to 0.5%, we got all the way up to 1.15.
Yep.
1.1 for 1.1, and now we're at just one.
Yep.
So still, just to put into perspective for the listener, in a presidential race, it's exceedingly rare.
Has it happened since Reagan that Republicans have won the popular vote?
Bush might have won.
Bush did.
Yep.
He did.
Okay.
One of the years.
Senior or?
No, W. W. Yep.
Okay.
So one of his terms, Bush won the popular vote.
But the point still stands that the vast majority of the time, over at least the last 30 years or so, Republicans, they They do win sometimes, but rarely do they win the popular vote.
It usually falls to the electoral college.
So for Trump to be up 1%, which doesn't sound like a lot, but just keep in perspective, usually the Republican candidate doesn't win the popular vote at all.
And right now he's up by a full percentage point.
Projected to keep it too.
And projected to keep it.
And that's in the popular vote.
And then that will absolutely mean maybe not a landslide, but a solid victory in the electoral college.
Uh, last state update so Pennsylvania 81% of the vote in Trump, the lead by 3%, 200,000 votes.
Uh, Michigan 40% in Trump, leading by 5%, yep, almost 110,000 votes.
Trump in Wisconsin 70% of the vote in, up by 3%, about 75,000 votes as well.
There, New York Times is all of them leaning Republican, all of them leaning okay.
So, go back real quick.
So, this is the Rust Belt.
Go back to Minnesota is the only one that's not really leaning Trump.
Okay, go back to um, Pennsylvania.
What was it, Pennsylvania 81% of the vote is in, so.
Lot four fifths, and Trump is up 51% to 48% for a total of about 200.
Oh, we just extended it about 210,000 votes.
Nice, that would have to be made up from Philadelphia County, Michigan, 40% of the vote is in Trump up by 5%, 115,000 votes, Wisconsin, 70% of the vote in Trump's up by 3%.
If he takes these, Wisconsin's 10, Michigan is 15, Pennsylvania is 19.
He's one with Georgia, where Georgia isn't called yet by the New York Times, but it's going to go for Trump.
So, just those three plus Georgia, even if they take Arizona and Nevada, he's still got it.
Yep.
Which he likely won't, the way early voting looks.
But if those are wrapped up, he won't what?
Arizona.
It doesn't look too close for Trump.
He's pulling ahead.
It's still pretty close.
But let me check once, just quickly on that ballot on abortion that I mentioned earlier.
Oh, the Arizona one?
Yep.
Arizona, this is Proposition 139.
Kerry Lake is losing by about 6%.
We called attention to that earlier.
Proposition 139 is yes to 130, yes, 63%.
This proposition would amend the state of Arizona's constitution to establish a fundamental right to the procedure, limiting the state's power to interfere with this right before fetal viability.
Which on the books, and Jeff Durbin and those guys, they fought it.
It was on the books that abortion was illegal in Arizona.
Like it's still on the books, and this is going to remove it.
In a state that's about to vote for Trump, likely, or it'll be very close.
Which state?
Arizona.
Wicked.
Yeah.
And you said Florida that did not pass, did not pass, but it needed not a simple majority, but a 60% to pass, and it got 57%.
And it barely got that.
That was with Ron DeSantis, who is, he fought tooth and nail for that thing.
I heard Steve Day saying today that Ron DeSantis fought by himself with a group of ragtag grassroots people, and none of the pro life organizations did anything to help with that fight, really.
Yeah.
Dave Logan said Bush won the popular vote after 9 11.
That checks out.
Yeah.
In context.
Oh, that makes sense.
Yeah.
And Trump won Florida at this point.
All the votes are in pretty much.
He won it by 13%.
Wow.
Yep.
So by 57%, 56%, he won, and 57% voted for the ballot.
Trump was against it, and he didn't do a great job fighting it.
He could have fought it more.
DeSantis fought it.
Well, Dave said that of the ballots cast so far, 22% to 23% of all total ballots have been from evangelicals, which is very, very low.
Yep.
25% normally, if not higher.
Yep.
And you're talking about with the amendment?
No, just in this election.
White evangelical turnout is down.
It's way down.
Yeah, it's down.
A lot of them feel betrayed, and I get it.
I understand.
And yet, here's the sad reality.
Again, this is just descriptive, just acknowledging the lay of the land.
We're not saying that, oh, yeah, this is great.
But Trump is getting, you know, big picture is Trump is getting less of the evangelical turnout, and yet is more of the moderate, is more poised to win.
Yep.
Yep.
And so, you know, like all the guys who, you know, and I remember thinking this for several months now, but all the guys saying, like, you know, if Trump loses the election because he, it's because he lost the evangelical people, he has no one to blame but himself.
Well, it turns out Trump did the calculus and he made the right decision.
I'm not saying he made the morally right decision, the politically right.
Yeah.
But what I'm saying is that sadly, that's where we are right now, is that evangelicals, Are so puny and so weak that Trump said, if I lean to the evangelicals, I may lose.
And if I do a big tent and entertain a bunch of, you know, have a Sikh prayer at the GOP, you know, whatever event, you know, and I do this and I do that, I'll have a better chance of winning.
Hey, Nate, move that down a bit because we can't see it with the.
Sorry, is this saying that Missouri, they had a ban on abortion and the constitutional amendment is going to overturn it and it looks like it's going to pass?
Maybe.
It's at 69%.
Somebody asked about it.
Yeah.
So, Missouri Amendment 3 is at.
Do they have to get 60%?
It's probably 50%.
Right now, Missouri Amendment 3, for the individual that asked, is trending towards yes.
So, this would approve the amendment, which would rescind the ban, as I understand it, 54%.
Passing right now.
Yeah.
We're in trouble.
Yep.
Good news white pills.
Yep.
The Senate races in Nebraska, in Wisconsin, in Michigan, and PA, the Republican is leading in all of them.
Okay.
Nice.
Which, if that holds, would give Trump a 54 46 Senate with also JD Vance as a tiebreaker.
Yep.
Wow.
Which would be awesome.
Yep.
Kerry Lake will lose in Arizona.
Montana, still too little to sell.
North Carolina just called Trump.
Is that true?
Yep.
Yep.
North Carolina's for Trump.
So he's taken Georgia.
He's taken North Carolina, Rust Belt states.
Okay.
Where it sits.
All righty.
Well, me and my wife need to go have a baby.
I feel like tonight could be the night.
You guys are having babies?
Lots of people are making babies tonight, too.
Yeah.
That's true.
Celebrating.
Yeah.
That's true.
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