Donald Trump and Joe Rogan's suppressed interview sparks debate over replacing income tax with tariffs, which hosts argue aligns with Nehemiah 13 and protects American manufacturing. The episode critiques globalist elites, links declining male physical strength to societal decay, and claims epigenetics proves ancestral resilience impacts health. While analyzing election data showing Republican surges in swing states, the hosts advocate for traditional values, monogamy, and proper diet to reverse US life expectancy trends, ultimately framing Trump's potential victory as essential for restoring national sovereignty and family stability against perceived cultural threats. [Automatically generated summary]
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The Joe Rogan Experience00:12:16
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Here we are.
Let's get some controversy going.
Today's episode, in a shocking display of being normal, President Trump went on the Joe Rogan experience and promoted some ideas that you might actually think are God's standards.
In particular, he proposed that the government, in the income tax and secure, Our markets shore them up through tariffs instead.
Also, he seems willing to allow people like RFK Jr. to promote health in ways that fly in the face of Big Pharma.
Do these ideas mean that Trump would be, to some degree, good for America?
Spoiler alert yes.
Tune in now to find out why.
Good to see you.
Good to be back.
Yep.
I always love the Wednesdays.
Looking forward to it all week.
So today we're talking about Trump on the Joe Rogan experience.
And if you are one of the 35 million or so people that have.
Last I checked, I think it was like 37 million.
Okay, 37.
Yep.
I was like in the first minute I saw it posted, it was 60,000 already.
So just a little bit less popular than Theology Applied.
Right.
Pretty close.
Pretty close.
Yep.
Yep.
They're not bad.
They're not bad.
That guy.
It's about as popular as the clip.
Of theology apply.
I was going to say, if you are someone who has not seen it yet, good luck finding it on YouTube because they are suppressing that bad boy hard.
I did see that they came out, I think yesterday, maybe the day before, saying, We're trying to fix, you know, blah, blah, blah.
So it's always an error, something happens.
We're not sure.
But they did release some kind of statement saying, That's interesting.
We're working on it.
Okay.
But yeah, I think it was intentional.
We'll have it fixed November 6th at 3 a.m. It is live and ready to go.
Right.
So, what we wanted to do today is there were some things in the interview that were interesting and fun.
Talking boxing, talking MMA, just two guys talking, which was kind of refreshing to see from both of them.
But there were a few things in that episode that I think the thinking Christian may have come away with thinking, wait a minute, they didn't name Christ, they didn't name the Bible, they didn't name natural law or theonomy.
But those ideas seem strangely biblical.
Strangely in line with God's standards.
And so, what we wanted to do is explore two of those in particular and talk about well, even if we have a ruler who is not a Christian, he's not doing what the law commanded the king to do, which was to write his own copy of the law and to base his rulings on God's justice.
If he were to apply some of these things, would it benefit America?
Right?
And that's the question that we want to tackle today.
So, any general comments about this before we jump into some of the clips?
I was just going to say, like, in terms of newsworthy things with Kamala, the details on that, as I've been able to sort them out, is because, you know, a lot of people on the left are saying that, you know, Democrats are saying, well, Joe Rogan, you know, he turned her down.
Right.
He invited her to do the Joe Rogan experience.
I've looked back and checked it out.
From what I can tell, he's the Joe Rogan experience is in Austin, Texas, in his studio, in person, for an unlimited amount of time, usually somewhere anywhere from like maybe an hour and 45 minutes all the way up to three, four hours.
Yeah.
That is the Joe Rogan experience.
That's the podcast.
He doesn't go on the road.
Some shows go on the road.
He doesn't go on the road.
And so, what Kamala's team said to Joe was Kamala's willing to do it, but it needs to be here.
So, he has to go and meet her and she can only do one hour.
And he said no.
So, some people are trying to kind of like twist it and say, well, Kamala didn't say no.
Joe said no.
No, Joe made an offer to which she said no to.
He said, Do you want to come on the Joe Rogan experience?
And she said, No, I don't want to come on the Joe Rogan experience.
And then she gave a counter offer, which is, Do you want to come interview me for an hour wherever I am?
And he's like, No, I don't do that.
I'm not a reporter.
I asked if you wanted to come on my podcast.
So she let the record stand.
She did say no to his offer.
So he made the offer to Trump.
And Trump, I mean, it's the most famous person in the world.
And Joe Rogan did not go to Trump.
Trump had to put his butt on a plane and go over to Austin, Texas and sit down and do the Joe Rogan experience, just like a Beau Hunter in the early days did it.
And just anybody who's ever been on the show, same standards for Donald Trump.
And that's the same offer that was presented to her.
She turned it down, made a counter offer that it's not the Joe Rogan experience.
And she said, You know, I don't want to come on the Joe Rogan experience, but would you like to travel and be a news reporter?
And he said, no, that's not what I do.
So, all right, yep.
I was going to say from the outset, we've said this before big Trump fans, I've cast my vote already for him.
I did not plug my nose.
But if you're a Christian and in your conscience, you're not down with it.
You feel like either way, our country's on fire, whichever one wins.
We don't share that opinion.
We respectfully disagree.
But if you do hold that opinion, your brother in Christ probably won't be the episode that you'll enjoy the most.
Yeah, like I understand, you know, some people are just committed to an hour, you know, two hours of hate watching, but just speak.
Just do yourself a favor, spare yourself, spare us.
If you don't like the idea of voting for Trump, that's perfectly fine.
Your conscience is that you're allowed to come to that conclusion.
But this episode is we are not going to be casting Trump as the Christian prince.
For the record, I don't know anybody who said that.
Do you know anybody who said Trump is the Christian prince?
Some of the charismatic circles, the Paul of Lights type, they really have this sense of anointment, but they're not reformed.
They're like barely Protestant.
But none of our guys, none of the Christian nationalists, because I saw that on.
I think it was Abolitionist Rising, who, just for the record, I love them.
I'm rooting for them.
I'm praying for them.
I think they do good work.
T. Russell Hunter, I think, is a brother in Christ.
I think he has slandered multiple people this year over this issue, and that's frustrating, but I think he's a brother in Christ.
I love him too.
And then the other guys who are involved with it are their own men.
You know, like Ben Zeiseloft has been.
Well, Abolish Abortion Texas is a sponsor at Fight Laugh East this weekend.
I mean, like, Right, exactly.
Yeah.
So Ben Siseloft is great.
I disagree with him on the Trump thing.
And, you know, sometimes I think, like, ah, did we need 10 tweets today about not voting for Trump?
Like, could it have been nine, you know?
But so, like, we have our disagreements.
But, like, James Silberman, just want to go on the record, incredible guy.
Love him.
Dusty Devers, love him.
Jacob Miller in our church, you know, he's an abolitionist.
He's in the, you know, abolitionist rising milieu and knows personally Russell T. Hunter.
And Jacob Miller strongly disagrees with me and says, I think you should not be voting for Donald Trump.
And he's even aired that publicly on Twitter and he was promptly excommunicated.
I'm just kidding.
No, he was loved.
And I said, hey, brother, I love you.
And this is not a big issue.
It matters.
It matters, but this is not something to divide over.
So, anyways, so lots of good guys.
T. Russell Hunter, I do kind of put in a different category.
I'm not saying he's not a good guy, but he has objectively slandered.
Guys, and I say all that just back to the setting up our episode.
We're not saying that Trump is the Christian prince.
And I just noticed that T. Russell Hunter said that, I think, in a video or on Twitter a while back, maybe a week or two ago, said that, like, you guys are saying that he's the Christian prince.
And I personally just don't know anybody saying that except for maybe Paula White, you know, but that's, I don't think he was talking to Paula White.
One of my son's friends, my son is 18, told him that he's convinced that we think that Trump is the second coming of Jesus Christ.
So.
There's wild theories out there.
None of us actually hold the same theories.
For the record, too, the reformers, like they spoke very, very highly of kings and magistrates when they rule.
Well, Calvin or Rutherford even said it's like God being near to us when there's a kingly rule.
So, if anything, we're more moderate in our praise and our excitement for someone who think would do a lot of good, even than the reformers who lauded them with almost heavenly titles in some ways.
Hey, real quick, who do we got in the chat, Nate?
I'm seeing some of the boys in here.
The boys are back.
The boys are back in town.
Truddle, I see you.
What's up?
Too legit to quit.
God bless you.
Faithful remnant right there.
Brandon.
Let's go, Brandon.
My guy.
Let's go, Brandon.
Paul, how do you even say that last name?
We've tried it before.
Artie Omenko.
Artie Omenko.
Okay.
Mdubs, God bless you.
Welcome to see you.
Who else do we have?
Mike.
Johnny.
Johnny Johnston.
It's not Johnny Johnston.
It's Johnny Johnsonston.
Johnsonston.
Johnsonston.
Which is absolutely ridiculous.
That cannot be his real name.
And if it is, I'm so sorry for laughing.
MB East, God bless you.
Go down real quick.
There was somebody that I saw.
Oh, right there.
Go up.
Go up.
The guy's picture.
Joshua Michael 2 said, Sup, boys.
Good to see you.
Thanks for tuning in.
Appreciate it.
Striker.
I'm sure Brandon's like, I'm sure he's never heard that before.
I just wanted to see who's in the chat because here's the deal.
At this point, it's not unusual.
It's just kind of like, hey, it's another week.
It's another Tuesday.
But definitely been going viral a little bit with some things that, you know, I usually go viral for my spicy takes that are true but are out of context and right wing watch, you know, leftists take it up.
In this case, it was Brothers in Christ who we love but we think are wrong.
And it wasn't just taken out of context, but it was actually false.
And so, you know, on the heels of that, you know, seeing you guys in the chat, hey, we're still going to watch Right Response.
You know, like some of you guys probably don't even know what's going on.
And yet, you know, you've seen glimpses and you're still like, ah, I've been following Joel Webbin for three years.
And, I know his character.
I know that can't be true.
There must be an explanation.
And then, other of you guys, you know, have maybe watched, you know, AD Robles, the reasonable Latino, getting a little less reasonable.
He's very close to being the unreasonable.
Doug Wilson's going to do no quarter November, and AD Robles might do no reasonable November.
He might go full scorched earth.
He's been talking to me today back and forth.
And so, some of you have seen that, and you know, some of the things that are going on.
And I appreciate your support, but some of you haven't seen that.
And you just see the glimpses of bad, and yet you're still.
You're still here.
And I don't think it's still you're here because you don't care.
I don't think it's like we're still here because we don't care.
Because if Joel is a terrible guy, then great.
No, you're saying like, no, it's not because you're terrible.
And so therefore you're okay with me being terrible.
It's you actually care about God's word, you care about biblical standards.
And you've just been supportive of this ministry for long enough to where you're like, that smells fishy.
I don't believe it.
Bringing Back Tariffs00:04:54
And man, I just want to take a second and say that it means the world.
Thank you guys.
All right.
All right, so we're going to jump in.
Give a like to the video.
Subscribe, share the video.
Yep, all the usual things.
So here we go.
First clip.
Go ahead, Nathan.
More beautiful than love.
It's more beautiful than anything.
It's the most beautiful word.
This country can become rich with the proper use of tariffs.
It'll teach you.
Did you just float out the idea of getting rid of income taxes and replacing it with tariffs?
Well, okay.
Were you serious about that?
Yeah, sure.
Why not?
Because we.
Ready?
Our country was the richest in the relatively in the 1880s and 1890s.
A president who was assassinated named McKinley, he was the tariff king.
He spoke beautifully of tariffs.
His language was really beautiful.
We will not allow the enemy to come in and take our jobs and take our factories and take our workers and take our families unless they pay a big price, and the big price is tariffs.
And he'd speak like that, but he was right.
And then around in the early 1900s, they switched over stupidly to, frankly, an income tax.
And you know why?
Because countries were putting a lot of pressure on America.
We don't want to pay tariffs.
Please don't.
You know, they – believe me, they control our politicians.
If you look at the kind of numbers that these guys make then and now – but we had a commission meeting in the – I think it was 1887.
Think of this problem.
We were so rich.
We had so much money.
We didn't know what to do.
So they set up a blue ribbon commission on tariffs.
And the sole purpose is what to do with all the money we had.
We were so rich because we were taxing other people for coming in and taking our jobs.
And China does it.
That's what China did.
If you want to open a factory and sell cars, if you build a factory here or have a factory, they don't take our cars.
They wouldn't take our cars.
But if you build a plant in China, you can do that.
Elon did that.
Let's get back to tariffs.
When you're talking about one of the criticisms of your administration was with tax cuts and with tariffs, you increase the deficit.
So.
What was the strategy behind that?
And did you think it was going to increase the deficit by a substantial amount?
Okay.
We were ready to rock.
It was all, you know, I had a bad system.
We had horrible tax policy.
I made it great with a much lower tax rate.
So I took it from almost 40% down to 21%.
Now I'm bringing it from 21% down to 15%, but only if you make your product in the United States, which is great.
People call me this and said, what a great idea.
Nobody ever heard of that before.
I don't care if they make the product in Japan.
Why should I give up?
So it's a 21.
At 21, in the first year, we took in much more revenue than we did at almost 40.
Think of that.
It inspired.
Now, we had other things, too.
We were able to get people to bring back their money.
You couldn't bring back your money.
If you had money in Europe, like Apple, Apple had many billions of dollars outside.
They couldn't bring it.
There was no way to bring it back in.
The bureaucracy.
The documents, the whole thing.
And also, the tax was too high.
You know, they wanted like half of it or something.
Nobody's going to do that.
So they leave their money in Japan and they spend their money there.
That was part of what I did.
The money came pouring back in.
Apple took in hundreds of billions of dollars.
They brought it back from overseas.
They brought it in.
So, how does the deficit increase because of that?
So, what happened is this we were ready to rock and roll, and then we had the COVID thing, and we had to focus on that.
All right.
All right.
Great.
So, we want to say here at the beginning that we're not economists and the The purpose of this section is not to dive into whether or not tariffs are X percent better than taxes or how much of the deficit a tariff is going to offset as compared to income tax.
That's not really the purpose.
The reason I picked this clip was because, according to Trump, his motivation for wanting to try something like tariffs, lower the income tax, lower even the corporate tax, it sounds like there at the end, is because he loves this country and he wants the business.
And the manufacturing and the benefit and the wealth to be circulating in our markets rather than overseas markets.
Right.
Right.
And I found some interesting quotes as I was researching.
I'm not going to read this quote, but it's from the American Compass, an article called So What If Tariffs Are Taxes.
Neil Cienvey's Woke Definition00:05:10
And in it, they talk about how to the globalist, they don't care where a product is made.
The bottom line for a globalist is.
Can I produce it as cheaply as possible?
And the article says that it's only patriotic people that care if products are built in their country by their people and an advantage for their people.
And the neoliberal order that came out of World War I and World War II really viewed the world as the stage rather than we need to have closed nation states where a country, a company benefits that country.
No, it doesn't matter.
There's no borders.
I'm so glad you brought that up, Michael, because World War II is something that we should probably talk about.
No, but you're right.
I know people at this point, they're like, the post war consensus isn't real.
Is the post war consensus with us in the room right now?
It's like, look, maybe we come up with a better term later on.
I understand if you're getting a little bit tired of it.
But the reason it keeps getting mentioned is because unlike Neil Shinvey and the woke right, it actually is real.
Which, by the way, I just got to say, that was absolutely ridiculous.
Meg Basham, God bless her heart.
She won't say it, so I'll say it for her.
Um, but uh, I saw there was a picture of Michael Knowles with Neil Shenvee, and it was like, uh, basically, you know, like Michael Knowles giving some of his credentialism, you know, like like propping, you know, it was giving him some props, uh, to Neil Shenvee.
And Neil Shenvee has been insufferable for the last what's at least six months, if not, you know, a full year talking about the woke right.
I mean, I forever, I know, but but especially insufferable, right?
Beyond the usual insufferability, and so.
And just for you guys who don't know about Neil Shinvey, the frustration that guys have with Neil Shinvey is because he's been writing against CRT and wokeness while being a member in J.D. Greer's church, who literally is responsible for smuggling in CRT and wokeness into the SBC.
Yep.
Much less just his local church.
That's been the whole thing about that people are frustrated with Neil Shinvey, whether it's William Wolf or Meg Dasham, like, you know, Jeff Wright has, you know, like, you know, all those guys, great guys, you know, um, I'm coming against Neil Shanvey for that because they're saying, like, dude, you're not.
And so, anyways, but he found a new thing to be insufferable, extra insufferable about the woke right.
But the woke right, you know, a lot of things that he would point to is like, well, there's Christians on X who are positively talking about Franco.
And the irony is that, like, Michael Knowles did a whole thing talking about Franco positively and Mussolini, like, right.
Yeah.
And 50 50.
And Neil Shanvey is happy for a photo op with Michael Knowles because he has clout.
Right.
You know, and so, but by Neil Cienvey's own definition of what it means to be woke right, I hope that, you know, Michael Mnoll sees this, you know, like that Neil Cienvey thinks that you are a CRT race hustling leftist just on the other side of the aisle.
So, anyways, I can't even remember how I got there.
Post war consensus.
Oh, post war consensus.
Yeah.
So Neil Cienvey's like post war consensus, it's ridiculous, you know, blah, blah, blah.
That's just woke right language.
And look, the reason why it matters is because the world really did change.
It really did change.
And theologically, The church really did change.
I mean, we've talked about eschatology in the past.
That was a big change.
And I'm sympathetic, right?
So you're the greatest generation.
You come back from war.
You've seen all these atrocities, regardless of different war crimes and who was perfectly right about this or that.
But you come back from war and it's like you've just seen guys get their heads blown off.
And so then you come back and you're not particularly white pilled and optimistic about the future.
That checks out.
I get that.
And so that's where you see a lot of the uptick.
Yes, the Schofield Bible in the mid 1800s and those kinds of things.
The seeds were already planted for dispensational premillennialism, kind of a hopeless, like, yes, Jesus does win in the final analysis, but not until the church gets the crap beat out of it.
And she's sitting there and she's been pruned.
And there's like 14 Christians left on the earth.
144,000.
144,000.
Yeah.
And so, you know, and then Jesus comes back.
It's not that Christ, as the head of the church, actually wins in real human history through his body on earth in temporal, tangible ways as well as eternal.
No, no, no.
It's Christ wins on behest.
Of the church after the church sufficiently loses and goes all nine rounds, um, you know, or 12 rounds, and uh, I think in nine innings, all 12 rounds, and just is on the ropes getting pummeled.
Uh, but eventually the bell comes and and Christ, you know, Christ comes in and saves us.
And so that kind of you know, there was the basis theologically for that in the mid 1800s, but it really wasn't until the World War I and World War II that uh, that really seeped over, you know, in in European nations, but especially here in America, where it just became uh, a very like, yeah, the world is a terrible place and things are getting worse.
You got to add to it too, the emergence of.
Income From Tariffs00:02:32
Global financial markets in the 80s and the 90s.
Because think about that.
In the past, say you're like, I want to manufacture X, Y, and Z in Switzerland.
Well, there's correspondence, getting the money.
What do you transfer it into?
But as global markets emerged and information and money and all of these things moved not only faster but more frequently, there are 24 hour markets now.
You can trade X, Y, and Z stock 24 hours a day across the world.
So you have a technology that it's neutral, but it emerges as we have this post war consensus, this disdain towards nationalism.
So, moving towards globalism, empowered by global financial markets that enable trade.
And then all of a sudden, you have now, in the 2000s especially, big companies, the Forbes, the auto manufacturers, toys, electronics.
Wait, pennies on the dollar?
I can get this in from China.
Just by way of definition, too, for anyone not familiar with tariffs, all the tariff is it's a tax imposed by a government on goods or services that are imported or exported between countries.
So, a tariff on electronics from China, for example, says 15% of the value.
20%, 100%.
You could do 200% tariffs.
Whatever value you're importing, you have to pay this because the labor was done overseas.
The labor wasn't done here in our country.
So Trump is talking about income tax, as it is now, produces tons of money for the government, runs their programs, runs the military, all of that.
And he's floating the idea what if all of our dependence on offshore manufacturing, on offshore vehicle creation, electronics and goods and all of that, what if we started taxing them much heavier, making these foreign nations that are taking our labor Pay for it.
What if that was the income that then generated the engine that drove our government?
That's really important because one of the things that I was reading in preparation for here was that the US government looked at the income generated from tariffs, which in the 1900s at some points was up to 95% of all the money that they brought in.
And so they're looking at the money that we generate from tariffs and they're kind of forecasting and calculating how much could we make from income tax.
And the calculus hit a level.
Where the money that they could get from income tax equaled or exceeded in their mind the money that they would get from tariffs.
But the problem with that perspective is that it assumes that both streams of income for the government are equally appropriate or acceptable to impose.
Right.
One is we're going to impose this income stream on other nations.
Biblical Tax Arguments00:15:02
We're going to tax them if they want to bring their goods here.
Which makes sense.
You want to sell it to our citizens.
It makes perfect sense.
That is a benefit to you that is not a right.
That's a privilege to you to be able to sell in our market.
This is our market and it's our citizens.
If you want to be able to have that benefit of reaching our market, then there's a tax.
And so it's not just going to be the cost of making your product and then the profit margin.
You're going to have the cost of making your product and shipping and those things.
And then also eating out part of your profits is going to be a tax.
And the tax is because you get to sell to a market that's not yours.
You don't have a right to Americans to sell your product to Americans.
America is our country and we give you this right.
So, in the same way that's not just, well, anybody can enter our country today.
But back in the good old days, when we actually had laws and things like that, just in the same way that not.
Just anyone can enter the whole world, doesn't have a right to enter our country, to be citizens of our country, to live in our country, also to sell in our country.
And we see this scripturally, even.
I think of Nehemiah, I believe it's chapter 13, which is part of the reason why my Sabbatarianism goes to the extent of wanting to avoid the marketplace.
I do believe that there are occasional exceptions, and I try not to be overly legalistic about it, but on the Lord's Day, we try to come home for lunch and things like that and not visit the marketplace.
We don't hold that as a standard for our church members, but that is my position.
In an application of my Sabbatarianism.
But the reason why is because Nehemiah chapter 13 is where people are coming on the Sabbath day.
And they're not citizens of Israel, they're not native citizens.
And so it's foreigners from other nations who are coming, and they come all the way up to the gates of Jerusalem.
And they're kind of like pounding on the door with all their carts and all their goods, they're kind of their portable market that they've brought on the road, and they bring it up to Israel to sell.
They want to take advantage of Israel's market share.
They're citizens.
And the leaders say, quit coming on the Sabbath.
We don't buy or sell goods.
And this is Nehemiah 13, is what's cited both in the Westminster and the 1689 on the Sabbath in regards to not visiting the marketplace.
Because the Sabbath requires the fourth commandment is not just that you rest, but it also says your male servants and your female servants.
And the sojourner who is within your gates.
Exactly.
And so you're trying to, and your oxen for that matter.
And so it's a day of rest unto the Lord, a day for worship and a day of rest.
You're saying, not only am I not going to work, but I'm also not going to obligate others to work for me.
And if they want to work for me, I'm not going to let them.
If they go work for somebody else, they break the Sabbath, but I'm not going to give them the basis for Sabbath breaking.
And so, anyways, all that being said, the point is from that, that this particular to the Sabbath, but I think there's a larger application to that.
Nehemiah and the leaders in Israel absolutely believe, and there's no correction, there's nothing in the text that indicates that they're wrong about this.
They absolutely are convicted and believe that foreign nations wanting to sell goods in Israel is their prerogative.
It's the leaders of Israel's prerogative.
They get to make that decision.
And it's not just some universal citizen of the world right.
So, in the same way that the whole world doesn't have a right to come to America, much less live in America, certainly not vote in our elections, although they do, they also don't have a right to sell to America.
That is a modern thought.
That is a post war.
Thought.
That was not the way that everybody thought.
Like, I can sell my product anywhere in the world and I don't need anybody's permission.
I'm entitled to that.
That's not the way the world is.
Although, I will tell you that one of the reasons that the tariffs went away is because the US was the powerhouse of production in the early 1900s.
They surpassed Britain, they surpassed Europe, they were the global powerhouse of production.
And so, part of the reason why they moved away from tariffs was they thought, well, if we aren't charging you, then we can tell you, smaller country, You can't charge us any taxes, and we're just going to have the ability to sell all our goods to you that we can produce faster or cheaper or whatever.
So, we actually kind of were the ones in some ways who instigated this and said, we have the upper hand now.
And so you have to not have control over whether we can bring our goods into your country also.
So, the principle we think is true.
And what Michael's saying is that America hasn't always done it the right way.
Yeah.
Shocker.
Yeah.
Shocker there.
But all that back to if we're talking the two, if it's a dichotomy of two choices, and this is oversimplification, but if we're talking tariffs or income tax, My point of bringing up Nehemiah 13 is to say, I think I can make a biblical argument for tariffs and why that's permissible.
And why a universal right to sell to any people, any place, anything does not exist.
I cannot make a biblical argument for income taxes.
I can make a biblical argument for why it's theft.
I could do that.
So here you have Donald J. Trump, who is the Christian prince.
He's not, but a blind squirrel can find an acorn from time to time.
And this is, I think, a biblical principle, and I'm grateful for it.
And it would be at the end of the day, we have two choices.
We have two choices.
And I understand that, yes, you can vote third party, and yes, you can abstain, or you can vote down the ballot, but leave the president blank in order to send a message to the GOP so that the GOP produces for you a better candidate four years from now when there are 40 more illegal immigrants that have come into the country and are voting in our elections and we never have hope of winning again.
I understand that strategy.
Obviously, you can hear I'm being a bit facetious.
I obviously don't think that strategy is wise.
Now, that said, The point is that I think we only have my view of voting is that you want to ward off the most destruction and evil that can be done to your nation.
You want to use your vote to love your neighbors, to protect as many of your neighbors as you possibly can.
How many of my neighbors will be protected?
And so, with that, I think that you're going to have one of these two individuals win.
It's different than Exodus 18.
I agree with the Exodus.
Exodus 18 principles or qualifications, standard, but I think it's misapplied to be applied to a general federal presidential election.
I think, you know, Exodus 18 is, you know, find men of this caliber, those who hate a bribe, you know, they hate covetousness, all these different things, they fear God, but then they're going to bring them to Moses, and Moses is going to have vetoing power.
So, Israel, as the people, right, there's kind of your democratic representative government kind of sense.
It's not democratic like we have, because it would be the men making this decision and not each and every individual.
So, households are making a decision about men over tens and fifties and hundreds and thousands, but then they bring them.
This is, I think, the necessary inference from the text.
They bring them to Moses, and Moses has the power to say, ah, that guy doesn't meet the standard.
And he can hit the buzzer and veto somebody and send them away.
I think that Exodus 18 for us applies to our primaries, especially in local elections, but even in a national election, our primaries.
That's when we bring your best man, bring your best man who meets the Exodus 18 standard.
But then eventually it is determined.
Whether or not your man makes it down to the two horse race.
Right.
You know, and all the Ron DeSantis bros, I get it.
I don't think you're ridiculous.
I understand.
I understand the logic there.
I see what you were doing.
I appreciate Ron DeSantis.
I think he's a fantastic governor and I'd like to see him there as long as possible.
But Ron DeSantis, when he was turned away, Ron DeSantis cannot win.
Dusty Devers, writing Dusty Devers in on your ballot, I love Dusty Devers.
That guy is a Christian prince.
But he cannot win.
Dusty would be the first guy to tell you that.
He cannot win president of the United States in this election.
Maybe in the future.
Maybe.
But not this election.
So, all that being said, there's two people who can win.
And Moses had the veto empowerment.
You could bring two guys, and Moses could say, Nah, neither of them, and send them both away.
In this case, we got to bring our guys, Exodus 18 in the primaries.
We're down now to two.
Neither one of them, I agree, neither one of them meet the Exodus 18 standard, but they don't fail the standard equally.
One fails the standard, I think, far more than the other.
They both failed the standard, but one fails more than the other.
And here's the deal one of them will be president, and I have some kind of sway to say which one.
And so then I'm going to be looking at other issues.
Right.
I think on abortion, sadly, Trump is now politicians do lie in order to get elected.
So we'll see what he does and how he governs.
But in terms of his rhetoric, he is certainly much further to the left than he was when he was governing his last term.
And that absolutely disappoints me as a Christian who wants to stand for the sanctity of life.
That is, I think that's sin.
I think it's wrong.
That said, the difference between Trump and Kamala, I'm willing to admit on the issue of life.
Is somewhat negligible in terms of real numbers.
The principles, there is, I think, a distinct difference still to the child who is laying there crying by themselves on a stainless steel table left to die, as Tim Wallace has done with six children in his state and wants to do now with the whole nation.
I think in principle, there's a difference in Kamala reinstating Roe, which she has explicitly said that's what she wants to do.
So I think in principle, there are some big differences.
I understand the abolitionist argument that in terms of raw numbers of babies that would die versus babies that would live, The numbers, there's a negligible difference in numbers between Kamala and Harris.
That's true.
So that's when you pan out.
And I think it's hard for us as evangelicals for the longest time, all of us, myself included, have been, for the most part, one issue voters.
Right.
You know, and because that is, I mean, what issue could be bigger than that?
And I get it.
I get it.
And I've said it.
And I still say it.
And I agree with it.
But when you have two candidates and neither one of them are champions for pro life and their rhetoric, I think Trump was.
In many ways, but right now, that he's not talking like that.
So, neither one of them is champions for, then you have to look.
Are there other issues?
And this is just one example.
I think it's just one example with the tariffs.
There's an income tax that the Bible would call theft, and there's a tariff that Nehemiah 13 and several other texts that I could use make an argument for.
That is a more biblical direction.
Kamala is not going to take us that direction.
And there's reasons why, and we'll get to those in a moment.
But that right there is already.
Okay, so one seems better than the other.
I need to love my neighbors.
I want to ward off as much harm as possible for my neighbors.
Who will harm my neighbors more, Kamala or Trump?
And that's what we're doing.
Immigration.
So, if not pro life, let's look at immigration.
Is one of them better on that?
Whose the borders are?
How many people, like, how many women have been R A P E D and murdered, children murdered that were known felons?
That Kamala let across the border.
And so I'm looking at my neighbors and I'm looking at other issues.
And we haven't had to do that for a while.
I want to add one thing, though.
I don't know.
Someone should investigate this.
Maybe no one can because you would be Epstein.
But I remember when Trump came into power, the Democrats and the left were surprised by it, but they did not immediately hate him.
Do you know when the hate turned up to 10?
When?
When he said, we need to close our borders to child trafficking.
Hmm.
Wow.
It was almost instantaneous.
And I think someone, you know, someone's got to look into that.
Hollywood weren't like that.
No.
There's someone put it in the comments, and it is a good comment.
They said, really, all candidates.
Candidates float these ideas a lot.
And for the record, we're aware, I'm reading a good book on the Reconstruction Movement in the 70s and 80s.
And the same thing we're sounding the alarm bells about now government influence in schools, government propaganda, illegal immigration.
Like in the 70s and the 80s, R.J. Rush Duny is sounding the warning bell.
Like, hang on, this is the degradation of our nation.
It's incredible.
In the late 1800s, early 1900s, it was a big movement.
They gathered millions actually in New York called the Men's Forward Movement.
They were concerned about women participating in the workforce, men leaving the church.
Like I was reading the tenets of it when I was doing research on it a long time ago.
And we're talking 120 years ago.
There's guys and pastors and leaders sounding the warning bell like, hey, be concerned about this.
So it can feel a little bit like, wait, but conservatives have always rang this bell.
Many times through the years, they promise when I get in, we're going to end the Department of Education.
Actually, Bush, second, Bush Jr., promised to do tariffs almost at the measure or the level Trump is wanting to.
Do it now.
And as soon as he got elected, boom.
So I get the skepticism.
Which could happen with Trump.
Okay.
Yep.
We'll see.
Yep.
I was going to say, I get the skepticism, but how things change is not just a one time thing.
So, first, you normalize the discourse.
You have a serious conversation that's viewed by, I don't know, 40 million people.
Hey, there's actually the possibility here that this could be substituted in.
You normalize the discussion.
You make moves towards it.
Like as Trump has talked about, decreasing the federal income tax.
We're going to get into some projections here in the third segment for the election.
Trump could have a Senate majority for his whole term.
And the House, and so he could actually make meaningful progress towards rolling back income tax.
So I get the black pill of wait, but Republicans have been promising forever and complaining about immigration forever and saying we'll end income tax forever.
And to an extent, yes, that's true.
But I don't know, I like to believe things are changing.
I think there's hope that.
There's nothing ever happens, bros.
Right.
And it depends what day of the week you catch us.
Sometimes I'm like, yep, nothing ever happens.
But man, right now, I feel like things are happening.
Not just the presidential election, but in so many different ways.
I'm like, Things are happening.
My wife's about to have a baby.
I think that's that one's happening.
That one's one way or another, Joel.
We might get kicked out of our church building, you know, because of the campaign.
Thanks to Write Home Watch and all the phone calls.
I think that one might happen, you know.
So, like, something's happening.
I'd like to think maybe also some good things.
Some taxes may be rolled back.
Nate, real quick, go up in the chat.
I want to call somebody out positively.
Up, up, up, up.
There you go.
Daniel, Daniel, Shadow.
Yeah.
Daniel Woodward.
He said, even as a one issue voter, the fact that we are likely replacing two Supreme Court justices in this term would favor Trump.
As he has a history of putting better candidates in place.
And he's right.
Like, that's what people.
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Did you see the ruling this afternoon?
Supreme Court ruled that Virginia is allowed to remove the illegal aliens from their voter rolls.
Good.
Which the local court had said they're not allowed to do.
So there's the Supreme Court.
Yep.
5 4 decision, but still.
That's amazing.
6 3.
Plus the slaves that wanted to let non citizens.
Insane.
But like, if Trump hadn't appointed three justices his last term, we want to get that ruling.
Yep.
And those are the things that elevate to the Supreme Court.
There's a lot of other things that we don't even see because they get a better.
Local ruling because Trump has appointed, it's not just Supreme Court justices, but he appointed it with something 200 something different, you know, justices around the country.
And so for him to be able to get two more is just, like, really, it's just a mercy from God that we don't deserve.
And we replaced at least Alito and Thomas, the oldest but most conservative judges on the Supreme Court.
So you're looking at it, you're thinking long term, well, who's going to replace these guys?
They've been stalwart, conservative.
Well, the election of Trump would give the opportunity.
I like.
Blanking on his name, the one who had the allegations, Kavanaugh.
Kavanaugh.
Like Brett Kavanaugh, good appointment.
Amy Barrett, 50 50 on.
But the point is, we would get to replace these not with liberal judges, is the point.
That whatever would be appointed there would not be liberals.
All right.
Do we want to say anything else about taxes and tariffs?
Well, the only thing that I wanted to say, just as a like, I'm not an economist, but although I might give some economic predictions eventually here, because I do think I, I, the net, nothing ever happens, bros are going to be, I think, very disappointed for the remainder of 2024.
The next two months, I think some crazy things are going to happen with markets as well.
But, All that being said, this is my economic sense.
Take it for what it's worth.
I think that because a lot of times with COVID, what I try to do is I'll try to pan out and get answers for something that I can't find because it's like I'm not an epidemiologist.
I'm not going to be able to study viruses.
There's not enough time in the day to be an expert in everything.
So that's why typically, the division of labor and society has experts in different fields and you're supposed to be able to trust them.
So, what do you do when you can't?
And well, You have to be able to at least get like the smell test, you know, a general sense of is this poison that I'm going to be putting in my wife's and children's veins or is it not, you know?
And I decided it was poison.
And so we did not do it, you know, with the mRNA vaccines.
But like I needed to at least know that.
And I couldn't trust a lot of the experts in order to give me, you know, an honest answer.
So then I'll rely on the smell test.
Here's the smell test.
This is how I do it sometimes.
Because people sometimes will say, you've said this before, Michael, like, man, Joel, you have like this sixth sense of being able to, you know, pan out, get the 30,000 foot view and somehow just, Call it.
And one of the ways that I call it is if I can't answer the question, what, I'll just skip that for a moment and move on to the question, why.
And so I'll try to get to motive.
And so I'll think of who are, I don't know exactly, I'm not an expert with the issue, but instead of the what, let's look at the who and try to determine the why.
So who are the players on the field?
What are the different sides?
Who are they?
What do they represent?
And why would one side want this?
Is there an incentive?
Right.
So just like a court case, you're trying to, you know, if it's a homicide or whatever, you're trying to establish motive.
You have to have it to convict someone.
Exactly.
Yep.
And so, all that being said, when I think of who doesn't want tariffs, I guess is my point.
Right.
You know, who doesn't want tariffs?
Who would prefer income taxes?
Who would prefer to tax every single citizen of these United States and make us carry the government burden versus who?
Corporations having a choice.
Because here's the thing there's no tax on the corporations if you do it here in America.
But if you do it in America, you have to pay American wages.
Right?
And so that does eat into your profit margins.
You're going to have less profit.
To be fair, I think he did say down to 15% for American corporations.
Yeah, you're right.
Yeah.
So, okay, down to 15%.
So you're going to have a smaller tax for any corporation here in America that manufactures and distributes here in America.
They're going to pay less of a tax.
You're going to have a tax incentive, far less of a tax.
And so they're, you know, but they're going to have less of a tax but higher wages because they're going to be paying Americans and Americans need to meet a certain standard of, you know, a cost of living and those kinds of things and are going to expect a higher wage.
And so, but, or you can take it overseas and take it to China or take it wherever and pay, you know, pay people, you know, pennies, you know, peanuts, you know, $2 an hour and blah, blah, blah, and do those kinds of things.
But you're going to have to, in that case, you're going to have to pay the tariff, is what Trump was saying.
And it could be a 200% tariff or whatever.
So, why would Kamala, why would like the Pelosi's, why would the Bidens, why would Chuck Schumer, why would, you know?
Because when you think about like who doesn't want a tariff, and it's not, you know, those are all Democrats, but like let's name the other Democrats, Liz Cheney, you know, and like whoever else, who are the guys who switched on it?
Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney, Mitt McConnell.
Yeah, and the Bushes, you know, blah, blah, blah.
All these people, they're all, they're just, it's just controlled opposition, two sides of one coin.
It's the total state, it's the regime.
Why do they all like income tax?
Because they're rich, not by actually creating anything.
None of these people, like, it's not that they have their own businesses and, And we're making a good American product, the old fashioned way, and selling it here in American markets.
I know these people are rich from the global GDP, they're rich from the stock market, they're rich from investments and these kinds of things.
And so, for them to keep and continue to build their wealth, they need companies.
On Bezos and Amazon.
They're not betting on the American people.
That's right.
The American people thriving and going up the ladder economically doesn't make them richer.
What makes them richer is not people, but companies.
They need Amazon to be able to constantly go.
And here's the thing if we did this initially, the stock market might go down a little bit.
The GDP might go down a little bit.
It would take some getting used to.
There would be an economic breather.
I don't want to say crash necessarily.
There could be, but definitely a.
A breath in the market, and there would be corrections, and there would be these because companies would have to get used to all right, we have thinner profit margins now because we have to pay bigger wages, or we have higher taxes now because we're doing it overseas, but now we have this tariff.
And so, any way you slice it, the American people would thrive.
But these Fortune 500 companies, or like the Magnificent Seven, like the Magnificent Seven, that you know, Nancy Pelosi, you see her moving, you know, making her stock trades and these kinds of things and buying more NVIDIA, but you know, these kinds of companies would, would, The people who work for them would do better.
The company, as a machine, as this non personless entity, would do worse.
Its profit margins would be smaller.
And the wealth of our elite is built off of companies, not people.
It's built off of machines, not human beings.
They actually need the American public, the citizenry, to suffer so that the show must go on, so that the GDP keeps going up, so that Amazon, the machine, They need Amazon the machine to succeed with the highest profit margins possible, with the lowest wages and the lowest, you know, this, that, and the other cost, the lowest bottom line for the highest profit margins.
That's what Nancy Pelosi needs for her wealth to continue and to build.
But what Trump is talking about, who already has wealth, you know, Trump is saying, I just want my people, my kinsmen, my fellow Americans, I'd like for them to be able to share in some of this wealth too, like we once hadn't.
Like we once had.
That's a better person.
Do you know that one of the very first things that the US government did in 1786 was pass the Tariff Act?
Oh, sorry, 1789.
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That was one of the very first things that they did as a government, and that was how they thought fit to fund the operations of the government.
Interestingly, this discussion goes back to medieval England, where there was such a thing as an income tax, but it was a tax on what comes into an estate.
It was never, ever, ever in English common law designed to be a tax on the worker for his daily wages.
It was just you have an estate, the king or the lord has to be supported.
So, what comes into the estate, some of that is going to go to the Lord.
The income tax.
And when they passed the income tax originally, actually, some of the people who passed it originally had no conception that this would be leveraged against the average daily worker for his labor and his wages.
Right.
There is one entity that can demand of your labor that is God, because God is the one who gives you the ability to work and the land and blesses it.
That's the only entity that, at a core level, Can make that demand of you.
10% of what you make will come to me.
God can make that because he gives it to you.
But the government, not so much.
Right.
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All right.
We're going to talk about health.
So, we obviously titled this video, Trump and Rogan.
They're kind of talking about biblical principles, and too many Christians have yet to put the puzzle piece in on health, right?
So, we think about training and exercising, everyone's favorite verse where Paul says to Timothy that bodily training is of some value, some account, but godliness is of infinite value for the life ahead.
And so, they use that to kind of say, like, yeah, you work out, do your Pilates, but godliness and piety and all of these things, those are the real value.
And that is true.
That is in scripture, that godliness is of infinite worth for all of eternity.
But Paul doesn't say physical training is of no value, minimal value.
He's like, it is of some value.
And the Bible is not a book of several, three or four letters from Paul.
It's 2,000 pages, and there's so much in the Bible.
I'm going to read about seven verses here from the Old Testament, especially.
The default assumption of the Bible is that health, fertility, strength, vitality, endurance, that these things are blessings, that they are a good, that they're to be pursued.
You know, another blessing?
A legacy.
A good name?
Oh, my word.
Just real fast, real fast.
Just real fast.
And on the flip side, one of the harshest and most severe judgments, temporal earthly judgments, that God ever deals out to people is that they would be forgotten.
That he would wipe out the remembrance of their name and the earth.
So certainly, we care, first and foremost, that our name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life for the life to come.
But everything that you're listing, if I was to put like one.
Heading on that, right?
So, fertility, right?
So that you would have what?
Descendants, posterity, you know.
So, whether it's fertility or physical strength or being able to achieve wealth so that you could pass it down to your children's children.
As Proverbs says, a wise man leaves an inheritance to his children's children.
What you're talking about, all those things, you know, wrapped up in a nutshell with one word is legacy.
And part of legacy is earthly remembrance.
Not just that your name's written in the Lamb's Book of Life.
We never want anything less than that.
That's first, of course.
Seek ye first the kingdom of heaven, and all these earthly things will be added unto you.
But there are earthly things, and they are a blessing, and they are added unto us.
And one of them is godly offspring that would continue the remembrance and the legacy, the glory of our name.
It's the glory of Christ's name, first and foremost, but there is a glory of kings, and a glory of men, and a glory for women, and a glory for children.
There's a glory for trees, for goodness sake.
There's a glory for the glory of Every single element of God's created order is doing righteously, rightly, that which God has designed them to do.
And so, yes, we want to pursue glory.
We want eternal rewards in the life to come, salvation which is received by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, name in the book of life in heaven.
But I also, no apologies, I want my name.
If God would be so gracious, it would have to be His grace and not just me and my own strength.
It would have to be God's grace.
And it would be for the purpose of achieving God's glory predominantly, supremely.
But I hope that God would use me in such a way to live in a way, to parent in a way, to pastor in a way that 500 years from now, my name would not be completely eradicated from the earth, that it wouldn't be forgotten.
And also, last thing I'll say Troy is a great movie, and movie quotes are fun.
And you know what?
In certain serious contexts, Probably not always best to use a movie quote.
I'll own that one.
But the meme, it's like he's doing the meme right now.
Sometimes I find myself doing the meme and I just can't help it.
So, all right.
Yeah.
Well, we've talked about it before.
For the record, my bachelor's is in biology, neuroscience, and my master's is in public health.
I am qualified to talk about this.
I have the credentials, I've authored the papers.
Your genes, what you pass down to your children, is not just eye color, skin color.
You pass down, mother passes down, for instance, mitochondrial health.
So if you destroy your health in your 20s and then you have three or four children, you're passing on to them worse genetic material for their mitochondrial health.
If you abuse drugs and alcohol in your 20s as a man, for example, you can affect your sperm health and what's passed on down to them.
So, you talk about leaving a legacy.
Your children literally will bear some of the physical legacy of the way you live your life, of whether you live it godly, whether you destroy your body.
So, Wes, real quick, just let the listeners know.
I know you've said it in the past, but we always have new people tuning in.
What do you do?
So, I work in life sciences research.
And, where did you, you never brag about this.
I'm going, I'm making Wes say this, I'm making him brag.
This is not him.
Where did you go to school?
Columbia for neuroscience and behavior.
And you're a military man?
Yep, four years in the Marine Corps.
Wes is a good dude.
And Wes is more credentialed than I am.
I have the silver tongue and a silver tongue and should we say balls of steel.
Those are my characteristics.
And by God's grace, it's got me far in life.
It's got me in plenty of trouble, but God has used it for his glory in many ways.
And I hope by God's grace to continue to be sanctified and that there would be more good and less bad.
But I've never been a credentialed guy.
And you are.
Wes is highly intelligent.
So was Michael.
Both of them are very well read.
But you're highly intelligent.
And I remember talking to you, and it's just fascinating.
So I'd like you to flesh it out a little bit more.
But I remember you applying it to Churchill, the chief villain of war.
No, I'm just kidding.
He was a warmonger.
I really do.
We like Pat Buchanan's book.
We think that he has a lot of good insights there Hitler, Churchill, and the Unnecessary War.
We wouldn't go quite as far, maybe, as Marty May, Daryl Cooper.
I like Daryl Cooper too, just for the record.
But when he was on Tucker, he said the chief villain of World War II, and that upset a lot of people.
I don't think that he was a warmonger, and I think he extended the war and crushed Germany in ways that didn't have to happen.
That said, I don't think he was the chief villain.
I would probably lay that at the feet of Stalin and Hitler and a few others.
So, all that being said, here's the point Churchill is not quite a hero for me.
He's just not.
But he's also not some arch villain.
But this is one thing that he is.
He was a very eccentric man who, like, played with action figures as he's doing this war kind of thing, and sometimes wouldn't wear pants, you know, and would take, you know, regular naps throughout the day and smoke like a chimney.
You know, Spurgeon famously said, you know, every single Sunday he'd come out of the church and he'd be smoking, like, as he's giving the pastoral, you know, he would do the benediction and then run out so that he could catch the congregation, each person, and shake their hand, you know, give them a blessing as they're leaving the church.
And he'd always have a cigar in his hand.
And one time an elderly woman asked, Every single Sunday, I see you with a cigar.
Don't you think that's excessive?
And he said, No.
And she said, Well, then what would be excessive?
It's every single time I see you, you have a cigar.
What could be more excessive than that?
And he said, If I had two cigars.
But my point is, Churchill, he might have had two cigars.
The dude smoked like a chimney, drank like a fish.
He started drinking.
Generally, his first drink was a mix of scotch and water or whiskey and water.
Right when he woke up.
But he was in his 90s, right?
Well, he lived to 90s.
So he does amphetamines during the war, smokes five to 10 cigars a day.
Is drinking whiskey all throughout the day.
And I mean, some of you, you like, you're millennials and you just turned 30 and you have an IPA and you're hurting twice morning.
Oh, yeah.
I can't drink IPA.
One, the hardest thing about drinking IPAs is you have to tell your dad, look him in the eyes, and tell him you're gay.
So I don't, you know, for that reason, I can't do it.
But beyond that, beyond just, it literally has estrogen.
It is the most estrogenic of all beers.
That is true.
To Nate, I'm so sorry.
But beyond that, Nate's back there.
Nate loves IPAs, and he's like, I can't believe they're just dragging me right now publicly.
The stream is going off.
So with all that being said, Nathan, let me just say it again Nathan drinks IPA.
Okay, so all that being said, The point is, you're right.
Like, it's like, I remember telling people when I hit 30, I was like, because we would go to pizzerias.
And so you're eating pizza and then they have craft beer and drinking IPAs.
And I was like, dude, I cannot eat a loaf of bread and then drink a loaf of bread.
Right.
Like, I just, that's that, those years of my life are done.
I can't, I can't live like this.
Yeah.
So, well, the point being, man, how does Churchill smoke and drink and do stimulants and live a very stressful life and live till 90 years old?
And then you have people in the best of health, and there's a coming to cancer, this, that, or the other.
And my argument that I would make there's a great book, Deep Nutrition, that talks about epigenetics.
We can build up through generations of faithful, godly living that is harmonious with the world that God has made.
You can build up a type of bank account of good health.
And so you think about Churchill, he came from a line of lords and strong men, and they built up resilience at not just a psychological level or training level, at a biological level.
Chemical, genetic level, that faithfulness and strength and stalwartness and undergoing difficulty and persevering through it actually builds up at the genetic level.
So, genes can be turned on and off.
They can be downregulated.
They can be upregulated.
So, like proteins that help your eye see all of these things, they can be expressed to greater degrees or they can be destroyed through genetic degradation and not express it as well.
And you're going blind by your 30s.
So, Churchill, as an example, I'm guessing his ancestors and the way they lived healthy, robust.
Took on challenges, conquered, overcame them.
And so he was able to live his whole life and drink and smoke to a greater degree than the average millennial and across New York City and lived in better health than individuals that in their lifetime took great care but were passed down an empty bank account, so to speak.
That faithfulness, again, from generations leading up to it, affects you.
And it's not just everyone starts off with a blank slate and they can just muscle through it.
Like, no, how your grandparents live, how your parents live mattered.
And then you.
Will be a great great grandparent if God blesses you with children, a great grandparent, a parent.
Like, then that actually matters to youth.
So, faithfulness is so much more than just, well, this impacts me, has value for the life to come.
No, it's across to your children, to your grandchildren, maybe even to a thousand generations that God would bless the faithfulness of those who live rightly.
Let me, I'll just do a couple verses, then we'll hit the clip.
Do not be wise.
This is Proverbs 3 7 through 8.
Do not be wise in your own eyes, fear the Lord, and shun evil.
This will bring health.
To your body and nourishment to your body.
What you're saying, spiritual disciplines bring physical health.
You're telling me we should be healthy?
Praise the Lord, my soul.
Psalm 103, 2 through 5.
Praise the Lord, my soul, and forget not all his benefits, skipping ahead, who satisfies your desires with good things so that your youth is renewed like the eagles.
Proverbs 9 11 For through wisdom your days will be many and years will be added to your life.
When we say make America healthy again, getting the poison out of the food supply, the poison out of these fabrics, the poison out of the air, the vaccines out of the body.
That stuff matters.
It impacts real people.
So, RFK Jr., not a Christian, but by God, I think he's going to do a lot of good if he's appointed to take over public health.
And that's what Joe and Donald Trump are going to say.
So, we've already talked economically.
Now we're going to talk about biologically the physical component.
And I've got a few thoughts on this.
So we're going to watch the clip, but then I want to demonstrate for the audience how all this is rooted in the gospel.
The gospel affects everything.
And I remember when I was coming into post millennial, all of Christ for all of life kind of thought process, you know, and like I that I was like, well, man, like it's not just, you know, the home and the church, you know, but like, wow, like God's design for men and women actually extends to the civil magistrate and the public sphere.
And oh, wow, like, Uh, even economics and when it comes to money and these kinds of things, that like biblical principles actually generate wealth.
Um, and that's not a prosperity gospel.
Just for this, this is one of the things I remember I had to caveat so many times, and I'll do it again because there's always new people who are jumping on the train.
Um, here's the deal the prosperity gospel, in a nutshell, is this the prosperity gospel is not that it's not that Joel Osteen teaches people if you work really hard and you study really hard and uh and you do this and you do that, and here's all these principles.
You will be wealthy.
That's not the prosperity gospel.
But Joel Osteen and Kenneth Copeland and these kinds of guys, what they're telling people is if you just have faith in your faith, they're actually saying you could be lazy.
It's not about hard work.
Hard work bringing about, not always, so it's not a guarantee.
The Bible doesn't guarantee this.
Here's the key word: remember this word, ordinarily.
Because you can work hard, and if you're in a corrupt system, if you're a citizen of North Korea and you work hard, you might still be poor.
But in America, a country like ours that's really got some problems, but still has a lot of freedom and a lot of blessing by God's grace.
In a country like ours, if you're poor most often, it's because you're lazy.
Yep.
It's because you're lazy.
Now, that doesn't mean everybody's going to be a millionaire.
But when I say poor, I mean if you're homeless, if you're on the street, it's probably because you either have some kind of psychotic, like legitimate mental issue, or you're a drug addict, or you're lazy.
That's pretty much comprises all the homeless.
It's not people who are like, I'm working as hard as I can, you know, 50 hours a week, you know, and.
And I have to live outside.
I don't know anybody like that in America.
So, my point is when we talk about the gospel affecting everything and as it affects economics, biblical principles actually do ordinarily generate wealth.
And what we're talking about is hard work brings, hard work is just one example.
Hard work in the realm of vocation is just one example of obedience.
And what the Bible teaches is that the overarching 30,000 foot principle, again and again, is that obedience brings blessing.
It brings blessing in the life to come, guaranteed, and it brings blessing.
Temporarily in this life, ordinarily.
So, guaranteed blessing in life to come, ordinarily, blessing in this life as well.
And that's across the board.
And that includes economic, it also includes physical.
So, you can obey God and get hit by a truck.
That's true.
You can obey God and get cancer.
That's true.
And anybody who says, you know, if you just have enough faith, then, you know, health, you'll be wealthy.
You don't have to work hard.
You can be wealthy by just believing.
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You can be healthy by just believing.
That's not what we're saying here.
What we're saying is, ordinarily, there are always extenuating circumstances.
God is sovereign and he does what he determines is right.
And sometimes he determines that we suffer for his glory and for our eternal good and at the cost of our temporal good.
We acknowledge that 100%.
We would never say anything against that.
But what we're saying essentially is we're now taking the conversation from economics and we're applying it to health.
But it's the same principle.
We're ultimately, what we're talking about is obedience.
Obedience in the economic realm means hard work in your vocation ordinarily generates wealth.
Now, what we're going to talk about is hard work in the realm of your health.
Will ordinarily generate lasting health.
And here's the crazy thing that Wes is bringing in with the epigenetic conversation is we would think that, well, but with wealth, that can at least be passed down.
So it's not just that I can be wealthy, but a good man, like the Proverbs say, a wise man leaves an inheritance for his children's children.
There's a financial piece.
Certainly that's spiritual.
Certainly a wise man leaves a spiritual inheritance.
Of course.
We're not saying it's anything less.
We're just saying it's, I think it's more.
And so leaving a spiritual inheritance first, leaving a monetary inheritance also.
But the crazy thing is now, We are discovering, actively discovering in the realm of science that there's a way to even leave a physical health inheritance.
That you actually, by the way you live your life and the health decisions you make, your diet, your exercise, all these kinds of things, what poison you put in your body, what poison you don't put in your body, you actually can be setting the stage, not just for you to live a long life, but for your great great grandchildren to live a long life.
And my point is this God will not be mocked.
A man reaps what he sows.
All we're discovering in the realm of economics and the realm of science and all these different things is oh my goodness, God was right.
God was right.
God was right.
The gospel affects everything.
And the flip side is also true.
The last thing I'll say real quick if you're in a country that for a thousand years has worshipped demons, and instead of eating cows, which are nutritious and good beef, you use cow feces in order to cook with and things like that, and the cows roam free because.
They're a deity of sorts and you worship them.
Or if you're a country that is practicing cannibalism, or these kinds of things.
Or if you're a people that drugs are a core staple of your people's rituals and customs, and piote and all these kinds of things, and opium.
And it's not just you did it and it affected your health as an individual person, but you did it and your parents did it and your grandparents did it and your great grandparents, your ancestors for a thousand years.
Have been eating things that are not good to eat and living in ways that are not good to eat.
And that doesn't even bring into the case, like we did the whole episode of statistics on sexual behaviors and how that affects your health.
Men receiving within their own bodies the due penalty for their sin.
Romans one, that's a thing.
That is a thing.
God will not be mocked.
His word is true.
So if you are living in sexually unhealthy ways, eating unhealthy things, chemicals that are unhealthy, Vaccines that are unhealthy, drug use, and there's all these kinds of things.
And if you're a part of a culture and a people that has done these kinds of things for a thousand years, would there be an effect?
Like, would there be an effect on your health?
Would there be an effect on your lifespan?
Would there also be a question that is, I think, biblically permissible to ask because you're not talking about something that God wrote in the stars as a.
As a biased favoritism of one people over another.
No, you're talking about habits and behaviors in God's world with rules that God set.
That ultimately all stems from worship.
It all stems from worship.
It is religious.
You know what's super religious?
Diet.
Diet is extremely religious.
And every religion has their dietary restrictions.
Some are good, some are bad.
And so the way that you live sexually, the way you live with food and diet and all these kinds of things and with drugs, if you don't worship demons, And your ancestors for 1500 years, all the way back to Constantine, you know, or a thousand years at least, going back to King Alfred, if your ancestors have worshipped the triune God, I remember reading, and I'm so sorry.
I remember reading to my girls just a few months back.
I was reading to the Treasure Island and Ben, who is it, Ben Dunn or Ben Gunn?
Ben Gunn.
Ben Gunn, he's marauded on the island for six years.
And as soon as he's found, because Jim Hawkins and everybody lands on the island, as soon as he finds Jim Hawkins, one of the first things he asks, he said, I wasn't raised to be a pagan.
My mom raised me as a good Christian boy.
And he said, And for these six years, I've been without a Christian diet.
Please, do you have any cheese?
I remember that.
Or butter?
Or eggs, yep.
Um, he and he calls it in the writing Christian diet.
This was just the normal way, and I and I it's like, well, that's fantastic, yeah.
But but a real person wrote the book, and that's my point is that within European, particularly an Anglo conception for a thousand years, um, with European Christian nations, they wouldn't just say, um, a good diet or a healthy diet, a Christian diet, they viewed it as worship.
It was worship affects everything how you invest, how you work, how you build wealth, how you eat, what you don't eat, how monogamy.
Monogamy in marriage, it's not going to spread diseases and all these kinds of things.
And if you don't have that, because your culture, it all stems from worship, and your culture worships demons, and that affects eating the diet of demons, sharing in the table of demons, having orgies to appease the demons, and human sacrifice, and all these kinds of things, then guess what?
It's not just, oh, spiritually, there's a problem.
No, physically, there's going to be physical results of that.
Physically, you're going to have lower lifespans.
Physically, you're not going to be as healthy.
Physically, there's going to be more diseases.
And physically, because you are quite literally what you eat.
And over a thousand years, not just, you know, it happens in 15 minutes, but over generations, your diet, all these things construct your body, your health.
It also affects your mind.
It affects your mind.
And so, those who have been worshiping the triune God with good dietary practices and good customs and practicing monogamy in marriage and not doing a bunch of drugs and having a Christian diet.
And engaging in exercise over a thousand years with whatever that would be, I don't know, 40 generations, 50, like, yeah, I don't think it's crazy to say your descendants would be healthier and they might even have, they might even be a little smarter, actually, at a biological level.
That's something, and not because it's written in the stars, not that it always has to be that way.
The debt can be shuffled, it can be rearranged.
God's providence, if the West apostatizes, then over time, You mess around, you find out.
And I think the West will suffer greatly.
We will be unhealthy, we'll be poor, and we'll be dumb.
And if, by God's grace, Vodi Bakum is successful in Zambia, it's not going to happen in his generation.
But I think over 200 years, over time, Zambia could be not just a powerhouse for theology, but a titan of civilization, period, across the board, with higher intelligence and innovation and all the.
That's.
So, the point is, it matters.
The gospel affects everything.
Our faith affects everything.
Who you worship affects everything.
And we're not just leaving an inheritance for our children's children spiritually, but also monetarily and also even physically.
It's crazy to think.
It's crazy to think how.
And that's why, yes, over the last few years, as I've come into these convictions from reading the Bible, that's why, yeah, I got passionate about talking about these things.
And that's why we do podcasts on these topics and why we're talking.
We're going to show this clip with RFK and why.
It matters for Trump to win because you get RFK and your kids might live longer.
And I'd like my kids not to die sooner.
Crazy.
You know, crazy, right?
Unhinged.
These things matter.
So, do you guys have anything before we share the clip?
Nope.
Let's go first.
There are chemicals and ingredients that are in our food that are illegal in other countries because they've been shown to be toxic.
There's pesticides and herbicides, and there's a lot of shit that's been sprayed on our food that really is unnecessary.
And there's a lot of health consequences that people are suffering from a lot of these things.
And to.
I'll look at this chart for you.
Beautiful.
Because I had a feeling you'd be asking me.
Thank you.
Look at this chart.
These are healthier countries.
Look where the United States is.
I'm going to send this to RFK Jr.
Look at this.
So, this is, well, something along the line.
I was actually talking to RFK today, and he told me that more than 70% of young men are ineligible for the military because of their health.
I could see it.
That's crazy.
A lot of it's obesity.
So, here's the life expectancy versus health expenditure.
Same chart.
Yeah.
Did you see that?
USA.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's pretty good.
Jamie's the best.
He's very good.
He's the best.
But look at that.
Look at the USA.
It's not good.
And that's our food.
That's our diet.
That's a sedentary lifestyle.
That's our diet.
That's the chemicals we ingest.
That's what that is.
But RFK is going to be very, you know, I think he's a great guy.
I love the fact that you guys teamed up.
Yeah, it's a great guy.
And are you guys completely committed to have him a part of your administration?
Oh, I am.
But the only thing I want to be a little careful about with him is the environmental.
Because, you know, he doesn't like oil.
I love oil and gas.
I think, you know, I think it's the fire.
So I'm going to sort of keep him out of a little.
I said.
Focus on health.
You can do whatever you want, but I've got to be a little bit careful with the liquid gold, you know?
I understand.
But listen, there's plenty of good work that could be done if you focus on health.
Here's the one that is my all time favorite, though.
What is that?
See the arrow right here?
That's what I left today.
Do you have anyone that is pressuring you to not work with him?
Have there been people that are not working with him?
RFK Jr.
Yes.
Yes, I would imagine.
Because five years later, he could put a dent.
I would say that, and, you know, the.
I think in many ways they've done a good job.
In many ways they've done a bad job.
But I would say that the big pharma wasn't thrilled when they heard that, you know, I have a relationship.
I've actually always gotten along very well with him.
I've known him a long time.
He's a different kind of a guy.
He's very smart, great guy.
And he's very sincere about this.
I mean, he really is, you know, he thinks we spend a fortune on pesticides and all this stuff, and then you end up with that chart is a terrible chart, the one previous.
It's such a bad chart when you look at where we are compared to other countries that don't spend 10 cents.
Right.
So, you know, and you save a lot of money.
But yeah, I've had some people that aren't exactly thrilled.
You can imagine, right?
Sure.
It's a good question, actually.
Well, certainly if there are some pharmaceutical drugs that have been prescribed that have negative consequences that these people have been profiting off of, and then you have a guy like RFK Jr. who spends an enormous amount of time highlighting those things, you could say how they've been very reluctant to have you support him.
I would say that's an understatement, yes.
Yeah.
All right.
We actually have that chart that he.
My favorite thing about that clip was when he was amazed that Joe Rogan's producer was able to pull up that chart and put it on the screen.
I'm amazed.
Our producer just pulled it up.
Nathan just got.
But no, Trump is like, he's just, I was looking at Michael, we were talking to him.
He's just your typical grandpa.
You know, he's like, oh, wow.
You're, your guy, look at that.
He just pulled up that chart.
Wow.
Amazing.
Trump probably, to be fair, he probably has a newfound, like, And almost unhuman appreciation for charts.
Oh, yes.
You know, since it saved his life.
Since it saved his life, yeah.
All right.
All right.
So here's this chart that he referenced.
And, you know, for what it's worth, here it is.
And it shows, I think this goes through 2018, that if you move to the right, that's the amount of money that's spent on average per person per year on healthcare, on healthcare related things to keep them healthy, to keep them living a long time.
And then it shows what the life expectancy, the average life expectancy is.
So this goes from 1970 to 2018.
And what this shows is that we spend, I mean, almost twice as much as the next.
Behind Switzerland, and then twice as much or more than almost every other developed nation.
These are developed nations, guys.
This is not, you know, some third world country.
These are developed nations.
We spend way more per person in America, and our average life expectancy, at least as of 2018, was what is that, five years less, right?
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And we were shooting up at about the same rate that the other countries were in the 80s.
Yeah, 80.
Yeah, 85.
And then we've kind of.
Tipped over, our growth, our acceleration decreased, and now we're kind of plateauing and we're even dropping down.
Okay.
And so I would think, as a politician, as a governor, as a president, whatever, you would look at a chart like this and this would be concerning.
Right.
This would be extremely, extremely concerning.
Yeah.
If you are a good, that's, you know, Watson talks about this in his book, The Ten Commandments, and all the reformers.
I, you know, Watson's one of them.
I like Watson because he's easier to read.
Everybody wants to start with John Owen.
John Owen's probably the hardest Puritan to read.
I mean, one sentence is like two and a half pages long.
And so, God bless John Owen.
I've read Mortification of Sin.
He's great.
But start with somebody like Watson.
So, Thomas Watson in the Ten Commandments and the Fifth Commandment, he talks about honoring fathers and he talks about different types of fathers, familial fathers, ancient fathers, right?
Because everybody thinks, you know, your generation isn't obeying the Fifth Commandment because they think that fathers, honoring fathers, must mean and only mean our immediate fathers, AKA the older generation, like boomers.
And you guys disagree with boomers a lot.
And some of you blue eyed, red avatar guys, you're disrespectful to boomers on X.
And I would say, hey, guys, try to be respectful.
But you absolutely can disagree.
And a lot of times, here's the irony in disagreeing with our immediate fathers, we're doing what Watson actually says is baked into the fifth commandment.
A part of the commandment of God is we're agreeing with ancient fathers.
Like, what do you do if your immediate fathers are actually standing in rebellion?
To every single father that preceded them.
Then the only way to honor all of your fathers is actually to, you're going to have to disagree.
Now, how you do that, you need to be charitable, but you're going to have to disagree with your immediate father.
So there's familial fathers, there's ancient fathers, there's spiritual fathers, ecclesiastical fathers in the church.
But then also, Thomas Watson gets to civil fathers.
And Calvin, you know, talks about this.
Calvin talks about like as a nursing father.
That the civil magistrate is supposed to be a father.
And I'm watching this, and again, Trump is not the Christian prince.
There's a lot of problems with Trump.
But I'm watching this clip as I listened to the interview, I listened to the whole thing.
But I remember thinking, like, yeah, that's what a father would think.
He'd think, how can my people, that God has ordained me in authority over, their quality of life, Is my responsibility.
And they're dying sooner than they used to.
And it's costing more of their money as we tax them to keep them alive, to keep them from dying than it ever did.
And more than it's costing all the other civil fathers of all their citizens.
What is going on here?
We've got to fix this.
My children are dying.
I'm a civil father.
I have an obligation, a moral obligation to preserve their life.
That's how fathers think.
It's the freaking meme, dude.
It's the heat map.
Kamala Harris, you know who she thinks like a mother, too.
She's not one.
That's another difference.
Trump actually has children and grandchildren.
She doesn't because she opted for wearing a pantsuit and being a boss lady instead of actually being a mother.
But she has still that.
She can't help.
She's created in the image of God as a female.
She has a motherly instinct.
Here's the problem you know who it's applied to?
Everyone except for you.
She has motherly concern, deep motherly concern for those who are illegally crossing your border.
She has deep motherly concern for anyone like her who also doesn't want to be a literal mother and wants to murder their baby.
She has deep motherly concern for Ukraine.
Deep motherly concern for pretty much anybody except for you.
Trump actually talks about me.
He talks about America.
When I say me, I don't just mean me and I don't just mean men and I don't just mean white men.
I mean Americans.
Trump actually cares about Americans and thinks like a civil father.
Is he wrong on certain things?
Yes.
But there's two choices, and Trump is so much better.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I mean, some of the reasons why the American life expectancy is declining, the big one is obesity.
Right.
And I, you know, I'm the pot calling the cuddle black here.
I have some weight to lose.
But obesity is over 70% of Americans overweight.
More than a third of them are obese.
And obesity is linked to so many other health risks.
Right.
And so this has more to do than just diet, but certainly not getting nutritious foods, not getting exercise, not using our bodies the way that God designed them to.
The one thing that I do want to point out that is a little bit in our favor is our infant mortality rate is the highest of any developed nation in the world.
One of the reasons for that.
Is number one, we have the most advanced NICUs where we can deliver babies at 26 weeks and keep them alive.
And number two, we still, to some degree, have a value of trying to preserve those young lives.
At least if the mother wants to.
So our mortality rate is the lowest, you're saying?
The fewest infants?
Nope.
We lose more babies than any other nation.
Despite our NICUs.
Because we're willing to try and deliver a baby at 26 weeks.
Or we're not going to just abort.
Like, even though we are an aborting nation, A lot of women still love the child in their womb and would say, No, let's try it.
Let's not just abort it.
It has Down syndrome.
You know, there are developed nations who claim that they've eradicated Down syndrome.
They've eradicated birth defects.
They don't have children who die young.
Part of it is because they just abort them as soon as they find.
And those abortions do not count as infant mortality rate.
Yep.
So that's good to know.
I just wanted to say, too, I don't think it's a coincidence that you, because any society is run by men, even if.
Supposedly, Angela Merkel is president of Germany.
Like, it's men that make laws.
It's men that build societies.
It's men that protect it with the military.
Every society is run by men.
I don't think it's a coincidence, the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s, that as men have been systematically under attack through these things like diet, through these things like smut and stuff that comes across on television that pacify and placate as they've been forced to take middle management positions and sit there in the fluorescent lights for eight hours a day and be lectured by the HR lady.
I don't think it's coincidence as you downgrade men.
You make them weaker.
You make them fatter.
You make them softer.
You make them less assertive.
You make them less aggressive.
You take away their nicotine.
You ban their flavors.
You got to talk about nicotine in a little bit.
We're going to talk about it because we got guys in the chat asking.
So hold on.
But you do that, and then you get a bunch of men that are willing to let a Kamala Harris take the reins of their party, that are willing to let women take the lead, that won't stand up and fight against the illegal immigrant that's coming into their neighborhood, taking it over, executing violence.
You got guys coming onto the subway, harassing, haranguing.
There's women complaining, like, why aren't men standing up and doing anything?
Well, the policies that you support for the last 30 years have made sure that there is no man strong enough, aggressive enough.
And manly enough to do something.
And the one who was, because he was a United States Marine, is about to go on trial, Daniel Penny.
And so, all that to say Why would men stand up?
You stand up and you got a good chance of going to jail.
Yeah.
So, make America healthy again.
Man, if men were stronger, if you got men back to even just health levels we had, I don't know, 50 years ago, you would not just see men being more fit and living longer lives, you'd see them voting more conservative, you'd see them more active in civil office.
Because it's all connected.
Soft men that love, Proverbs talks so much about gluttony and laziness.
Soft men that love comfort are not going to do uncomfortable things like Dusty Devers getting on his feet, knocking on doors, fighting, taking all the flack that he did to be senators.
They're going to sit back, they're going to say, Oh, there's a lion in the street.
They're going to put their hand to the ball.
Someone else has got to do that job.
So it's not just a matter of, well, we want people to live longer.
We do.
We want people to have kids.
We do.
But also, when you fix those things, you know who gets really right wing?
Men who have families, they go from being single to then married, having children.
It's also the trajectory as they get more right wing.
They realize how important these things are.
They realize that their children will inhabit and inherit the world that they set up for them.
So it's all encompassing, make America healthy again.
And I think it's going to have a lot of great benefits in the years to come if by God's grace we see, I would say, even half of this enacted, put into practice, et cetera.
Pastoral Protection Prayers00:10:34
Yeah, I agree.
Let's talk about nicotine, but first, do we have one more commercial break?
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All right, well, so, I mean, we could really go on and on, and we're not going to, shockingly.
But the point is, it was remarkable to me that these two issues in particular stood out as such biblical ideas, right?
Godly principles.
And not that, again, they're not the godly men, but God's principles are timeless and they apply.
And so I was just really surprised to hear man, Trump and Joe Rogan are sounding more Christian than a lot of Christian pastors on some of these practical issues of wealth and economics.
They're Christian pastors or pietists.
They just can't go there.
Like every time you see, you know, it's like there's like a calendar, like Protestants, the Reformed world, we have our own church calendar apparently.
It's unspoken, it's not written down, but it's like, Um, you know, each month is like, uh, uh, this is the month for posting of uh, why men, um, and women should dress nicely for church, yeah.
And and the usual suspects are going to come out and like, uh, you uh, God come as you are, and blah blah blah, you know.
And then like, guys will literally do like little videos of wearing like short pink shorts going into church and thinking that like it like they're owning, yeah, they're owning that, yes.
I'm like, oh my good, and these are like conservative guys, and I'm like, my, yeah, I yeah, like it was 95 degrees two weeks ago, and I wore a suit to church.
Amen.
And then you'll see the things about why a man should own a gun.
And then you'll see the things about women making sourdough.
Or you'll see the thing about eating healthy or working out.
All those kinds of things.
But my point is, it's always the same guys.
And they're Christian pastors.
They're Christian pastors who will come out and just disparage it.
And I've yet to see the post where somebody's saying, Working out gets you to heaven, gets you to heaven, or matters more than a relationship with Christ.
Or I've never, but they're just saying, guys, these things matter.
Yep.
And so, you know, when we talk about how Christendom is falling apart, I still remember, I won't say who, but a guy in my past who was like, Well, what's the big deal about that?
Like, we don't understand what we're losing.
We're losing a system that aligned largely with God's order that was designed for human prosperity, right?
And so we're losing that.
And it doesn't just come back overnight, it doesn't come back in a generation.
So, Anyway, we didn't want to leave you all just there.
Wes has done a little bit of research, some White Pill Wednesday research, potentially.
Yep.
And so just going to talk about the election next week.
By the way, it is next Tuesday, in case you didn't know.
Go out and vote if you haven't done so already.
If Joel's baby doesn't show up or there's not conflicting circumstances, we will be live streaming in the evening as results come in, Lord willing.
Yep.
So please don't clear all your plans, clear most of them.
The plan is to live stream the election.
So, yeah.
It's tentative.
So, the due date, please be praying a couple things.
Due date is November 1st, so Friday.
We'll see what happens.
But Friday is the due date for Mabel, is her name.
And then also, we really need our youngest, Franklin, to get better because he's still having to sleep in bed with us because he's just waking up and choking.
He's just got this deep, deep cough and really deep cough.
So please pray for safe delivery for Mabel, healing for Franklin.
And then I said it as a throwaway kind of joking, but it is serious.
Please pray for just protection and favor that.
There's just a lot of people have found where our church meets online, and we're in the process, Lord willing, of getting a building, but we're not there yet.
And so they found where our church meets, and they started trying to boycott that business to where they're losing business.
It's hurting them, and just incessantly calling them on the phone and cursing at them and telling them, you need to kick them out.
And that's been happening for a year off and on, but just relentlessly for the last few weeks as I've been.
Going via the clips from Right Wing Watch have gotten like, yeah, you correct me.
I don't look at it, I try not to look at it all the time.
Like, I, you know, my name every now and then will like even trend, and I'm like, I just, I'm not gonna search Joe Levin.
But I think it was at least five million, maybe it's 10 million, five million, then a couple others that circulated.
They're older ones, no, only one, two million a piece.
So, together, I mean, 10 million is in the ballpark, it's not a crazy, crazy number.
And so, with that, there's just, as you guys can probably imagine, just incredible.
Pressure.
Shout out to some of the guys who are here in the chat today, but a group of guys are actually trying to raise money for my wife and I to help us purchase a security system because the uptick in death threats has been extraordinary recently.
We have had protesters at the house.
We've never had anybody try to break in, but all it takes is one.
And so I really appreciate that.
I just want to say thank you to you guys who know who you are, but guys who are raising money to help in my home personally, the weapons.
By a security system.
But if you guys could also pray for this business, pray that they get business, pray that they prosper, and pray that the business where we meet.
Yeah, the business that we meet.
Pray that people leave them alone because otherwise they're going to have.
And they were so kind about it.
They said, Joel, we have defended you and ignored the pressure campaign for a year.
But the last few years has been so severe that if it doesn't light up, we're going to have to kick you guys out.
And I have no hard feelings.
I get it.
They can't go under as a business.
I get it.
And I have nothing but appreciation and respect for these people.
They've been very kind to us.
It's your salt of the earth.
It's like an 86 year old man owns the restaurant.
And there's on the marquee outside, you know, there's a Bible verse, you know, every Sunday when we come.
And he's a Baptist who's gone to church, you know, his whole life and loves Jesus.
And yeah, he's a great guy.
And his daughter is very kind.
And so, anyways, but we might lose our church.
And the thing is like, oh, well, you'll just rent somewhere else.
You guys don't get it.
Like, I understand.
I was a church planter once upon a time and didn't have much of a public profile.
And just like, yeah, we'll talk to this coffee shop.
We'll talk to this, whatever, you know, movie theater.
Everybody knows who I am.
Like, nobody will let us meet.
We've talked to churches.
We've talked to dozens of churches.
This is churches, much less public schools and private schools.
And they won't.
They're not going to let our church meet.
So we have to have our own property.
Because basically, we have to have security.
We have to be able to tell the enemies of God, pound sand.
And you can't tell the enemies of God, pound sand if you're at their mercy.
That's why, in some sense, you could link that to this whole episode.
That's why, yeah, let's be healthy.
Yeah, let's try to be financially independent.
Yeah, let's try to be physically strong.
Let's try to, yeah, for home defense, own a gun, like all these kinds of things, so that you are not at the mercy of the wicked.
You don't want to be at the mercy of the wicked.
You're always at the mercy of God, of course.
But as far as you can help it, yeah, man, try to insulate yourself in the province of God, trusting in Him alone, but also having some dry powder on the side.
And so pray for our church.
Pray for my son, Franklin, to be healed.
Pray for my wife and our daughter to be born, to be healthy and safe.
And please pray for our church, Covenant Bible, that we wouldn't lose our space as we're trying to get our own building.
Swing State Election Optimism00:05:20
Amen.
All right.
Wednesday, white pill on the city of the elections, and then we'll hit nicotine.
And I think that'll be a wrap.
All right.
So.
I'm optimistic.
So take what I have to say with a grain of salt.
Like I said, grain of sand.
Which one is it?
Salt.
Grain of salt.
I'm optimistic based on we're looking at.
So the election comes down to swing states.
Texas, it's going red.
California's going blue, generally speaking.
So it's really a handful of states.
They're called the Fun Belt and the Rust Belt.
And some of these states now, as you've noticed, election is not a day, it's not even an election week.
It's more like election month, election season.
It's a long period of time.
And there are certain states that allow early voting, whether that be people bringing in absentee ballots, mailing them in, or doing in person.
Now, the cool thing is that you can take those and you can look at the party identifications.
You can look at so and so returned their ballot.
They're a registered Democrat.
So and so returned their ballot.
They're a registered Republican.
You can look at that and you can get an estimate.
How are we looking compared to midterms?
How are we looking compared to general elections?
And so this will be outdated.
I would say in like five days, we'll know the results, but really we all know it'll be like two weeks.
But in a couple of weeks, I won't spend too long on this.
This will be outdated.
But I think if you're a Christian and you're optimistic that Trump would be elected and everything that comes with it that we've been talking about in this episode, from taxes to RFK, Elon Musk, a Department of Government efficiency.
That's right.
We're pumped about that.
So if you're along with that, you're hoping he gets elected.
I think there's reason to be optimistic.
I'm going to show you statistics from two swing states and I'm going to compare 2020 and 2024.
For the record, 2020 most secure election of our lifetime.
If you believe that, I have some wonderful property, Oceanfront in Kansas, call immediately.
There were shenanigans.
There were data dumps, vote dumps in the middle of the night.
There were people hanging up, you know, like blocking windows, stuff like that.
I know all of those existed.
We don't have time to get into all of those.
But at least as it stands, assuming that stuff doesn't happen again, or even if it does, that the margin is too wide, here's kind of where we stand.
So this is Pennsylvania.
If you're listening, I have some charts on the screen.
I'll go ahead and explain them.
Democrats vote more early and via mail.
So, Democrats in Pennsylvania, especially, they're going to return more ballots.
So, on the left side of the total ballots returned, Prior to election day, prior to election day, or all ballots, all ballot returns.
Prior to election day, 65% were Democrat, 24% roughly were Republican, and the other 12% were independent.
So the firewall total, the lead the Democrats had November 7th, the day before election, was 1.1 million.
So that means election day, you need not just 50% plus one, but then another 1.1 million on top.
Pennsylvania was only decided, you'll see on the right side, the margin of victory, I'll put victory in quotes there.
81,000 votes.
Small.
Almost 7 million individuals voted in Pennsylvania.
It's a key swing state decided by a very small margin.
And what you're looking at here then, so you have on the left side 65% Democrat.
Well, now of the returns to date, as of October 28th, two days ago, it's only 58% Democrat.
So it's down 6.5%.
Praise God.
We're talking hundreds of thousands of votes.
And Republican is up by 7.8%.
That's huge.
So as a relative share of the early vote, huge, huge.
In 2020, 65% down to 58%.
Republican was 23, up to 31%.
Now, I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to show Nevada.
So, Pennsylvania is a rust belt state, really big one, 19 electoral votes.
Here's Nevada.
Nevada since 2004 was the last time we went Republican.
So, it's been blue.
2020, early vote by party, 39% Democrat, 40% Democrat, 36% Republican.
So, kind of even, but the Democrats had, at the end of the early vote, a 4% lead on the ballots returned.
The margin of victory was only 2.4%.
On the right side, you'll see right here, right now, Republicans now have an early vote lead.
There's been a shift of 9%.
Democrats were 40% of the return ballots in early vote.
Now, 35%.
Republicans were 36% of the return vote in 2020, right before Election Day.
As of right now, they are 39%.
Now, trends can change.
We don't literally know what's in the ballots.
We're looking at registered voters.
But here's the trend this bears out in Georgia, for example, the white and black voting data.
This bears out in North Carolina, even Virginia.
There is enthusiasm.
For Republicans, especially Republicans, if you look at the data that don't typically vote, they didn't come out in 2022 for the midterms, they didn't even come out in 2020.
Republicans are getting people to the polls that don't typically vote, they're getting them earlier, and the Democrat turnout is suppressed.
And if that pattern holds, and that's a big if, if that pattern holds, it could be an early night.
You can see states like New Mexico, you can see states like Virginia, New Hampshire, Tim Walz, Minnesota, Minnesota.
Yep, some of those states could even be in jeopardy because all you're talking about again.
Couple states and then our population six, seven million people.
Those who you're trying to get out and enthuse.
So, White Pit Wednesday, I think there's a lot of reason to think on election night that we see a solid Trump victory.
Kamala Harris Selection Trap00:02:04
Republican or the Democrats fielded a horrific candidate.
Nobody ever voted for her.
Nobody did.
Nobody voted for her.
She was not chosen in the Democratic process to be put up there.
And it's probably going to bite them because the wicked can't get out of their own way.
The wicked, the proverb says, they set traps.
We got them now.
We're going to bring in Kamala Harris.
And they fall in the very trap they set.
They fall into it.
Yeah.
I mean, part of the trap was the whole.
I mean, she was a DEI hire.
She was a black woman or Indian woman, whatever race she, you know, the former McDonald's employee.
Whatever race serves her best given that particular, you know, season and election.
But, you know, but she was a woman of color.
And that's why she was selected as the VP.
I mean, she lied even in the primaries, the debate about Joe Biden.
I remember seeing Stephen Colbert say, like, but she bold faced lied.
And she was like, it was a debate.
Lying is fine in a debate.
It's fine when you're trying to win.
And yet she was still chosen.
How do you get to lie about Joe Biden and have like, she was pulling it like 2% in the primaries and they get selected as the VP?
Like, how in the world?
Because you're a woman of color.
And so they set that trap for themselves.
They used, not for themselves, but for the GOP by calling them racists and calling, you know, Trump Hitler and all this kind of stuff.
And you hate women, you're misogynist, you hate people of color, you know, you're racist.
All that kind of stuff.
And that forced them, that trap forced them to have to, you know, to make a selection like Kamala.
And then with Biden being, you know, like 170 years old, well, now it comes down to the VP and they're stuck with an idiot.
I mean, she is not bright.
They're stuck with it.
They made their bed and now they have to lay in it.
And I think they're going to get crushed.
I think it's going to be too big to rig.
Yes, I am aware of the 2020 shenanigans.
And I think there will be that level of shenanigans plus more shenanigans.
But I think at the end of the day, you're going to have to quite literally unalive Trump.
Marijuana Forgiveness Lies00:15:51
Yeah.
And that's the only way.
If that doesn't happen, and they tried.
They did.
But if you come for the king, you better not miss.
That's right.
Twice.
I think he's going to miss twice.
Yeah.
I don't think they're going to stop him.
And the nice thing is that it'll be four years of some reprieve for Christians to build and locally keep staying at work and work towards better than Trump.
Yep.
And then, Lord willing, We could get eight years of Vance, who I think is better than Trump.
And then we get Barron.
And then you get Barron.
Well, I'm thinking, and then, like, honestly, after four years of Trump and then eight years of Vance, we actually, who knows?
Yes.
Who knows what God in His mercy might do?
You might be ready for a Dusty Deavers.
Yep.
Yeah.
Never know.
So, we have a question about nicotine.
We're close to the end.
Yeah.
Let's do it real quick.
I hear my kiddos out there.
Yep.
No, I'll make it quick.
Okay.
So, the question was, what about smoking a pipe?
What about nicotine?
Nicotine is great for you.
So, we don't have time to get into all types of drugs.
There are drugs like heroin.
My pearls are clutched.
My pearls are clutched.
Get ready.
Heroin is disassociative, for instance.
There's a categorical difference between drugs that put you in a stupor, disassociate, and cause you to see visions, versus drugs like caffeine and nicotine that increase productivity.
So, nicotine is a stimulant.
It doesn't put you in a disassociative state, it doesn't dull you to the world, it doesn't make you feel necessarily pleasure.
It increases the rate of your central nervous system, and it appears to have a number of great properties.
It's an appetite suppressant for one.
So, if you were looking to lose weight, that is a way.
Just for the record, nicotine, it's not just in tobacco plants, it's in tomatoes, potatoes, eggplants, cauliflower.
They're nightshade vegetables.
It's a naturally occurring substance, the same way caffeine is, the same way vitamins are, the same way all these different things.
So, you have nicotine, it's a stimulant, suppresses appetite.
It has a number of cool properties that are almost being explored, starting to be explored now.
There was someone who mentioned nicotine for brain cancer treatment.
I've sat down and watched a whole episode, and there is promise that its antiviral properties, which it also has, Could be potentially advantageous for cancer.
Just like ivermectin, it's antiviral.
Nicotine also increases testosterone.
Now, some of it is a little bit did the chicken come first or the eggs?
You take guys that smoke and it's like, were they the bad boy?
They had high tea anyway.
And so they take up this habit.
I've looked at some of the studies, but we do see a positive increase of nicotine consumption and testosterone levels in men.
Now, there are different forms of consuming nicotine.
Here's the one thing to be aware of your Marlow Reds.
Are from a tobacco leaf, and that thing is caked in pesticides.
I'm sorry to say.
And with cigarettes, at the very least, you're also inhaling it.
So you're bringing it into your lungs.
With cigars, you're not doing that.
With dip or with like Zinn pouches, you're not.
So be aware of the method that you're taking.
Cigarettes probably being the worst, but something that maybe you just, it's in your lip or even patches are a very, very safe way to get it in.
Those would be more safe.
Think about the source of it, source of your cigars, source of your cigarettes, if you're smoking them.
MB East.
Oh, yeah.
Yep.
Husband for his brain.
Brain cancer.
Yes.
Uses a patch.
Ivermectin is being explored for that too.
How we're being told it's so terrible, don't do it.
It's swell.
Turns out it's antiviral.
Turns out it could have some great anti cancer properties.
Right.
This country is built in many ways on nicotine.
It was built on tobacco.
Tobacco.
It helps men be productive.
I don't think things like this occur naturally.
They're in our plants, they're not destructive to us.
I don't think God put them there to be ignored and abstained from.
Now, they're not there to be addicted to, they're not there to worship, but they are categorically different from Hawaii Hosca, where you, I don't know, commune with interdimensional beings.
The machine elves.
Yep.
It's in this category of drugs.
I think you really do commune with demons.
I mean, you look at all these pagan societies, whether the Mayans, the Aztecs, or, you know, Native Indians and indigenous peoples here in America before we arrived and when we first arrived.
They weren't just doing these recreational things, it was all attached to worship.
They were doing it to commune with spirits and ancestors and gods and all these kinds of things.
One last thing, just because I want to be responsible for our audience and our listeners and make sure we're being careful.
I could just see somebody saying, well, nicotine, it grows naturally and so does marijuana.
And I think that there's a difference between it.
I think marijuana is given to us by God for many purposes and uses, but I don't think for recreational.
So I think that there are many purposes and uses, you know, like for pain, for instance.
And people say, well, you know, you should, you know, but it could be addictive or you're not going to be sober minded if, you know, all the painkillers do that.
Yeah.
Like you're going to be sober minded on Vicodin, you know, like, you know, like, so every painkiller is going to do that.
There's a proverb that says, To give him strong wine.
Strong drink.
Yep.
In a certain moment.
And there's a certain man.
And the Bible also says that strong drink is not for kings.
So there is a certain season, and there's also a certain role that it's like, no, this person needs to be particularly sober minded.
And we all want to be a kingdom of priests.
We want to be little kings.
And we want to be sober minded because that actually is a moral biblical command.
I would put that in a separate category, marijuana, but it is natural.
I don't think that it should be demonized.
But I also think that, you know, like making marijuana legal, for instance, so that we can tax it, you know, and it's going to be good for the GDP.
Like, I mean, you just look at the trajectory we've been on in the country since making those kinds of decisions, and it's been nothing but.
We're going to talk about gut instinct.
It smells bad, so I don't want it.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
I don't need to complicate it.
You can get into that, but like, it smells bad.
It dirties up the place.
Yep.
You feel weird when you do it.
Why do we need this?
It should be legal.
So, I think there are many medical purposes that really are legitimate.
And I think it's a gift from God.
Praise God.
But I don't think we're not advocating for recreational use of marijuana in the way that we would say that recreational use of nicotine is permissible.
Yep.
In the same way that, you know, a lot of you drink coffee in the morning with caffeine.
I think also nicotine use on a regular basis.
Everything needs to be done in moderation, everything with self control.
But nicotine doesn't make you lack sober mindedness.
If anything, it makes you lean in.
You become even more focused.
And all the stats that I've read, Tucker Carlson talked about it also.
But it's like you'll become more manly and more ambitious and more focused.
And debatably more healthy.
Debatably more healthy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, all right.
Well, thank you guys for tuning in.
Keep us in your prayers.
I'm sure you've probably seen a little bit of drama on X.
I don't really have any statement about that.
I'm trying to do some stuff behind the scenes, talking to the other party involved.
And some of the guys who retweeted and publicly supported the other party involved and said, hey, you know, you should check out this video from so and so because it's really great.
Well, what I can say is a lot of those people are realizing that it actually wasn't really great and that there were some categorical, not just like, oh, I would have said it differently or that wasn't exactly clear or that was a slight exaggeration, but categorical falsehoods.
In other words, downright lies.
And by God's grace, I have the evidence and I've shared it with many people.
And I would like to not go public with it.
I'll just say that.
I would like to not go public with it out of charity for brothers in Christ and because the goal is not to destroy, but the goal is actually unity.
I'd like it to be done.
I'd like to be friends.
I really would.
But I do have the meeting, the audio recording of the meeting over two hours where.
Many things that you guys have heard this man say, the opposite is recorded.
And so I've shared that with some big names and behind the scenes that have taken his side in the matter and they've all kind of pulled back some publicly.
You might see some tweets being deleted or retractions being offered.
And I'm going to try to go to the source.
That's the counsel I've gotten from these guys.
I want to honor them.
I'm going to try to go to the source.
I'm praying right now, pray for wisdom.
I want to determine a mediator.
That I can trust because I feel like I've been ganged up on a little bit.
And so it's hard to find someone in the reformed world to trust.
I think I might have, sometimes I feel like I might have more hope at a Democrat rally.
The reformed world might be the most vicious community that I personally ever experienced in my life.
To put it nicely, it is a vicious community sometimes.
It really breaks my heart because it dishonors Christ.
It's so sad.
Like, I look at Mark Driscoll and I know that Driscoll had problems, but do you think Mark Driscoll is missing the Reformed community?
That dude is like a Tweety bird flying free, you know, just like he's probably has so much peace, so much joy, so much of that weight lifted off of his chest.
The rest of the Christian world doesn't behave the way that we do.
You guys, you need to know that.
You need to know that.
The rest of the Christian world does not behave the way that we do.
It's very unique to the reformed world, just the viciousness.
So, anyways, no official comment.
The in house viciousness.
The in house.
Let's be vicious towards Christ.
Yes, we want to chop off the genitals of kids and murder babies.
Sure, I thought that was what we were doing.
But, yeah, so, anyways, no official comment for today.
I know that we have more people watching than normal.
And so, no official comment today.
And I'd like to just, I'd like to move past it.
So I'm going to try to handle it behind the scenes and pray that God would give me wisdom for a mediator that is trustworthy.
Somebody in the reformed world that, I don't know, that could hear my position, a guy like me or a guy like Andrew Isker or a guy like Stephen Wolfe or a guy like Ogden and not clutch to his.
Zionist pearls and begin to scream.
So, like, it's not a lot of guys like that, to be honest.
It's Slim Pickens.
So pray that God would provide a guy, preferably an older man who's mature and preferably a minister, a pastor that has some measure of relationship with the other party so that there's trust there and with me,
so there's trust on both sides and that the gospel of Jesus Christ would win the day and that there actually would be the ministry of reconciliation that we've been given, according to the Apostle Paul, would be carried out and that there would be real reconciliation.
I am ready to forgive.
But one day we'll have to do a whole thing on forgiveness.
But forgiveness, what about if my brother sins against me seven times?
So I tell you, not just seven times, but 70 times seven times.
If your brother sins against you and goes to you and repents, forgiveness has to be asked for.
Biblically, it needs to be asked for.
And so that being said, there's a way of being begrudging and wanting to not forgive and being bitter.
I really don't feel that way.
I feel like my forgiveness is wrapped up.
Like a Christmas present under the tree.
And I can't wait for the potential of so and so to walk through the front door and get to it.
But I need him to walk through the front door.
I need him to admit, and because it was public, I need him to publicly admit the bold faced lies.
I appreciate that the video has been retracted.
Our video will not be retracted.
Some have asked about that because.
Yeah, you said that on Twitter already.
There were two videos, and we believe that whichever videos contain lies needed to be retracted, which means that our stays up.
And the other one comes down because we didn't lie.
So.
I'm getting intel right now.
Oh, really?
Wow.
Okay.
I missed that.
Okay.
Thank you.
Thank you for telling me.
So, Nathan just informed us.
He's our tech technician because I didn't see it because we've been live streaming for seven hours.
And always my fault.
Just getting started.
But it sounds like eschatology did like a brief kind of thing, like kind of like what we saw on COVID, like when Francis Collins and guys like that were like, When they finally realized, like, oh, we killed a bunch of people and ruined businesses and all this kind of stuff, they're like, there were faults on both sides.
Like, have you seen the meme where it's like they burn the witches?
The witches, yeah.
And they're tied to the stake and they're on fire.
And a guy comes up and says, actually, they weren't witches.
And he says, there were faults on both sides.
And so, Eschatology Matters kind of did one of those tweets earlier today that I was really disappointed by because I strongly respect those men.
I really do.
They're solid guys, they're solid brothers.
Solid theology, but also just really great character.
And so it was just like, there are problems on both sides when, like, one side explicitly, right?
And they know it because I gave them the evidence.
So that bummed me out.
But Nathan, thank you for catching us while we're still on the air before concluding.
They posted a statement.
We want to honor Eschatology Matters for taking on the video.
Here's their new statement finding yourself caught in a conflict between parties who have both benefited you is terrible.
And that's the situation we created when we released the video regarding.
Okay, I'll say his name because they say it here.
Tobias.
And I really, I'm not trying to be funny or disrespect.
I can't pronounce his last name.
Do you know how to pronounce it?
No.
I don't think German.
Yeah, it's German.
It's on as an arm.
Every time I've heard it, I'm like, that's awesome.
I love it.
I feel like we're singing A Mighty Fortress is our God.
So it's a great name, but I can't quite pronounce it.
I think Ryman Schneider.
Maybe that's it.
Ryman Schneider.
Tobias and Joel Webbin.
And just for the record, I love Tobias.
I do.
We regret this deeply.
Our regret isn't only due to the conflict it's brought to the body of Christ, but also because we didn't have all the facts.
There still may be more information needed to resolve it fully.
That's probably true.
And hopefully we can do it behind the scenes.
We recognize that our action led to unnecessary slander and speculation against a fellow Christian pastor, Joel Webbin, and Covenant Bible Church.
We repent and ask for forgiveness.
The issue and facts in this situation are complex and private in nature.
We hope for peace and resolution between the parties involved.
For our part, We've decided to step back from this conversation.
I get it.
Praying that everyone involved can continue to bless the body of Christ.
Really appreciate that.
Eschatology Matters.
You guys are good dudes.
Godly, godly brothers.
Joel Webb Ministry Apology00:05:19
Tim Bouchon is a friend, and he's an older man.
Maybe he'd be willing to, he could be a good mediator because he hasn't taken the side of like Stephen Wolfe is a heretic and Joel Webbin has gone to the dark side.
But he's also, Tim Bouchon is very favorable to.
The theonomic side and loves Moscow and loves, you know, like he's, you know.
So maybe Tim would be a good idea as a third party mediator.
But Tim is a part of Eschatology Matters and the highest caliber.
That dude, like William Wolf and Andrew Whisker just spoke at his conference, fantastic conference.
He puts out great music, by the way, great music.
And Tim Bouchon, I would trust with my life.
The dude is just high caliber.
So try, guys, hear my voice.
Um, try not to take it out on eschatology matters.
They just, I think it was a bad move just to debut a brand new show with like a takedown piece on somebody who's so close.
You know, like it'd be one thing if it's like the show is going to be a discernment ministry and the first thing is on Kenneth Copeland, you know, or something.
He was far outside of the reformed world.
So that was kind of probably not the best strategy on their part.
But aside from that, they didn't really know anything else and they took down the video.
And here's the deal let me just brag on them one more time.
I have been slandered.
More times than I can count.
No one has ever taken down the video.
You think Andy Woodard, who divorced his wife, and I'm in the spotlight, is like, I always knew that Joel would have this great moral failure, and turns out he's an anti Semite and a racist, and everyone's just gleeful.
I mean, they came out and drove.
Scott Anniel came out, Owen Strand, like everybody comes out.
Everybody comes out.
And they're, I mean, they're like, they're elated.
It's ecstasy.
They love it.
They've been, I mean, they've been hoping for my downfall.
Andy Woodard, Was one of the first guys to make me go viral, caused my wife shame, took me out of context.
And Andy Woodard has been dismissed from ministry in disgrace.
And he literally said of me, Mark my words, this is an abuser, the way he talks about patriarchy and blah, blah, blah.
You'll see him fall from ministry.
And he literally fell, had a moral failure, and is now going to ministering in the NAR, New Apostolic Reformation crew, because they don't have standards.
And how much have you?
I mean, think about it this week.
How much have you seen of Joel Webbin going viral for his deep, concerning sins?
How much have you seen in the last month of Andy Woodard going viral?
The guys that are trying to sound the alarm are struggling to get traction.
They can't get any traction.
They've published it.
It's a statement.
It was posted on X. Nobody cares.
Do you know why they don't care?
Because Andy Woodard was on their side of the great CN wars of 2022.
Because Andy Woodard was one of the first guys to bring to light the.
Very troubling and very concerning dangers of Joel Webb.
That's right.
And so it doesn't help their side that the guy who said Joel Webb is a snake and one day he'll be found out turns out to be a snake and was found out.
Yep.
That doesn't really, it's not really helpful.
So just things to consider.
And here's the deal this part of this video that we're doing right now, how many people will watch to the end of this episode?
How many people would see this?
Not many.
A few hundred, maybe a few thousand.
Eschatology Matters, God bless them.
Here was my point.
They're the first to take it down.
And Andy Wooden never took down his video.
He loved it because it was getting him millions of views.
That clip, that was his most viral post on Twitter.
He made his ministry off of Joel Webb.
And he never took it down.
Other guys who have slandered me, they never take it down.
Eschatology Matters is the only thing that I can remember to date, the only Christian Brothers ministry that has ever retracted something when they realized.
They got it wrong.
Wow.
So, guys, eschatology matters.
Do not hold it against them.
That is honorable.
But I will say, and this is not about eschatology matters, I honor them.
But in general, though, the lie travels halfway across the world before the truth.
Before the truth even gets laced up its boots.
The clips from that episode, they're gone.
Yes, the video was taken down, but the clips are still up.
Anybody who clipped them out, they're still up.
Those people, Methodist Ministries.
Yep, Method Ministries.
Method Ministries, he won't take his clip down.
It's still up.
It's got 400,000 views.
The retraction will never, the retraction might get for every thousand people, for every thousand people, 400,000 just on his clip, much less the other, for every thousand people who now think that I am a monster anti Semite and flagrant racist.
K Dub wasted no time to share it.
He's a consistent, consistent accuser of the brethren, consistent.
Real People View Ratios00:00:49
Oh my goodness, that man.
But the point is, for every, that's 400,000 just on that clip, just on one person's account, for every 1,000 views, 1,000 people, it represents real people.
For every 1,000 people, real people in the world who think that I am a monster anti Semite and flagrant racist and thinks that our church is demonic and that it is making members in our church actually worried and thinking they should leave, for every 1,000 people who think that, the retraction will reach one.
Yeah.
That's the ratio that I've discovered for years now as I've been in this rodeo.