Andrew, Joel, and Jeremiah dissect transhumanism and AI through a Christian lens, contrasting biblical truths with secular views of Elon Musk and Sam Harris. They distinguish narrow AI as useful tools for God's glory from forbidden consciousness uploading, which they deem demonic deception violating the soul's divine image. The discussion highlights dangers like Neuralink implants enabling mind control and algorithms promoting totalitarian technocracy, urging believers to reject counterfeit gospels while exercising wisdom to protect family jurisdiction against occult-tinged tech agendas. Ultimately, this analysis frames technology as a neutral instrument that becomes evil only when it usurps God's unique role in redemption and human nature. [Automatically generated summary]
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Transhumanism vs Christian Worldview00:15:13
Transhumanism is a philosophical, intellectual, and profoundly spiritual movement that advocates for the enchantment of human capacities through the use of science, technology, and witchcraft.
It seeks to overcome the biological limitations and enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capabilities, ultimately aiming to achieve a post human condition.
Central to the transhumanist thought is the belief.
In the potential of emerging technologies such as artificial intelligence, biotechnology, nanotechnology, and robotics to radically transform human existence.
Its ultimate aim is to achieve human immortality, or perhaps better said, for man to be as God.
Here we go.
Transhumanism and artificial intelligence.
Guys, kick us off.
Andrew, what do you.
To start with this, artificial intelligence, there are different kinds.
Can you help us with understanding, like, you know, like the Christian who is gonna, you know, use chat GPT?
Is that sin?
Right.
Yeah.
What kind of artificial intelligence are we talking about?
Yeah, that's a good question.
So, if using chat GPT is sin, I am a sinner.
I'm a sinner regardless of needing of repentance.
But yeah, so I use artificial intelligence, right?
I think artificial intelligence can be used to the glory of God.
Artificial intelligence, also like mid journey, I use that to create art.
It's actually art that I can use even in YouTube thumbnails.
It's not art that I have to pay for because it's not essentially being made by humans.
It's being made by some form of artificial intelligence.
So when we're thinking about artificial intelligence, transhumanism, we have to think about these things correctly in forms of biblically, right?
So we don't actually get to the point of people like Elon Musk and other people who are transhumanists thinking that they can avoid the ramifications of death by transferring their consciousness into some type of computer.
So the conversation can go.
In many different routes.
But when I like to think of artificial intelligence, I think of systems developed by individuals to try to make the lives of humans easier, right?
But these systems are not neutral, okay?
These systems are made by humans.
So when we're thinking about ChatGPT, for example, you can ask it certain questions, but it is biased.
It'll respond and say, well, I don't think that you're being politically correct and I need to be soft with the way I explain things.
And you go, well, Chat GPT, I don't agree with you.
You can have an argument with this artificial intelligence.
It shows you that it's not neutral.
So, that's, I think, the basic starting point and premise, at least for the conversation on transhumanism and artificial intelligence is well, how should we look at it as Christians?
What are your thoughts on that, Joel?
Yeah.
Well, yeah, I think that's helpful.
First thing to understand is it's not neutral, it's the collective, it's being taught, you know, and like as more and more people use Chat GPT and other, you know, Narrow AI.
That's a part of it too, is like understanding the difference between narrow AI versus open AI, you know, and then all that, you know, versus transhumanism and those kinds of things, you know.
So it's this we're talking about narrow AI.
It's basically, we've been using AI for a long time.
I think that's what I want people to realize.
Like, narrow AI, we've been using for a long time.
That's what Google is.
Any search engine, that's what maps, your Apple Maps or Google Maps, like if you've ever.
You know, use GPS even before cell phones.
You know, like if you had a GPS thing in your car, like with a little voice that says, go this direction, or Siri, or what, like you've been using AI.
And so to say, one, I draw the line at Mid Journey or I draw the line at GPT.
That's cute.
But that's baseless, inconsistent, not principled.
So just don't call it Christian.
Just say, I arbitrarily and randomly for no reason at all have decided this.
So everyone's welcome to be inconsistent and arbitrary.
That's fine.
You can do that.
But just don't pretend that it's a principle.
But there is a line, though.
Between narrow AI and open AI.
I would be curious to hear both of you guys, and we start with you, Jeremiah.
But I'm pretty confident that true open artificial intelligence and transhumanism, I don't think that it's possible.
I really don't think that it's something that man will ever be able to achieve.
Right.
When we kind of talk about this, what I think is most important.
You know, you have a lot of times, Christians, especially in the apologetic realm, people are asking about, you know, evidentialism versus presuppositionalism.
I think, specifically within the category of transhumanism and artificial intelligence, I don't see evidentialism as really useful and hardly practically, really, anyway.
I see really the only way this can really be approached is understanding truly the presuppositional apologetic, specifically having a true understanding, as Bonson would refer to, the preconditions of intelligibility, and really understanding not only that.
But even like who ontologically, like who are we truly as human beings?
Like, are we truly made in the image of God?
Do we have justifiable, can we give accounting for us having distinctions?
Are you, am I truly distinct from you?
Or am I truly distinct from you with my own personality, personhood?
Or are we truly part of some sort of mind hive that are part of a higher collective consciousness?
Are we part of some sort of higher transcendent impersonal force?
Or are we literally biological bags of protoplasm just moving about?
Being blind and pitiless and pitiless indifference, even though Richard Dawkins might be having second thoughts about that quote as of right now.
But that's a really big part of it.
So I think when it comes down to how you view AI, as a Christian should view AI through a very, should and will view it from a very different perspective than someone like Sam Harris or somebody like Elon Musk.
So when you look at Elon Musk, he would argue, because we're talking about AI and we're also talking about transhumanism.
So, what I believe about AI is that I believe that at its core, AI on the very premise level would be inherently neutral.
However, it always artificially emulates its user, specifically, even one who is regenerate or unregenerate.
And so, going back to Romans 1, when it talks about how mankind suppresses the truth and unrighteousness, if the utilizers, if the heads of Silicon Valley who have a worldview that's radically antithetical to the Christian worldview, They are going to adhere and adopt AI.
They're going to mold it in their own image.
One way where you'd see this practically, where Apologia Studios, which we are under the umbrella of, if there is a video that is uploaded without even putting any sort of titles or descriptions or tags, the AI will go through and automatically decipher what's being discussed within the one video.
So if it's a message where Jeff, for example, will be talking about abortion and the murder of babies, they will.
Pick that up and they'll automatically demonetize you.
And there's that.
And Jeff's had to work on a couple different ways to get around that.
But that would be a definitive example where you see AI would be arguably suppressing the truth in unrighteousness.
That doesn't mean that somehow the AI is sinning, but it's artificially emulating those who believe that it's okay to murder your babies.
Therefore, I'm going to make AI in my own image to be an extension of my suppression of the truth in unrighteousness.
Now, also, it has to do with when you believe that, like, what is the ultimate purpose?
Of us.
Like when you talk about being part of, are we dealing with a history that's truly linear, that's going from like Genesis all the way to Revelation, definitive beginning of fall into sin and ultimately a redemption through Christ, both individually and collectively, as far as a Christ and then redeeming the world, having a post millennial hope.
That's something that's linear.
However, if you're embracing an Eastern worldview, there's not truly a beginning, there's not truly an end.
And so you're going to view that, or if you're an evolutionist, you're going to say that ultimately it's just an involvement of the species.
Survival of the fittest.
So, somebody like Elon Musk, his worldview, if he's holding on to an evolutionary perspective, he would see us as being really just tangibly body and flesh and just us and not really having a soul or spirit.
Now, if you're going to create AI and create technologies of those presuppositions, that's where you would look at Neuralink and then you bring in the question this is technology.
That's being created that we're being conditioned into that is based off of presuppositions of who we are ontologically that are not biblical.
And so I think when you're looking at this, and again, talking about one versus two, is that we're in a society right now where we're going from a belief in a distinction between two, where you're worshiping the creator.
And in that perspective, if you're using AI, if you're building AI and utilizing that to the glory of God, we're building it through the lens of two.
Like this t shirt was actually, Andrew created this.
Yeah, that's AI.
Yeah, it's AI.
I didn't make that.
I totally forgot.
It's one of our t shirts available on Shore and at shopcoldish.com.
And so you would see it of that aspect, like use for good.
There's ways you can love your neighbor and be environmentally responsible.
There's actually a really interesting documentary that came out that was hosted by Robert Downey Jr., aka Tony Stark.
And he was talking about how they can use AI.
There's pizza companies who use AI where they do an algorithm based off of the purchasing decisions on different counties and districts, whether or not they like, Pepperoni, whether or not they like sausage, whether or not they like just a vegetarian pizza, they want just bell peppers or whatever on it.
And then they'll distribute those products accordingly to those stores.
So that way they help, they waste a lot less resources.
And that's a way to be environmentally responsible, just to be a better steward of what God's given you.
That could save you, your restaurant, a lot of money.
If you're a Christian business person, you want to say you want to pay your employees more.
And having worked briefly a couple of times in the food industry, you realize.
The small little micro decisions equal to a lot, a lot of money.
So you could utilize that as a way to love your neighbor, pay your employees more, which would help towards helping people in their households provide for their families so the woman can stay home.
So you have that viewing AI through a lens of two ism, doing it to the glory of God.
But if you're viewing it through one ism, and that's the majority of technology that's happening right now, that's where it can become dangerous because then you see not only is this idea of a rejection of personhood.
That we have as a precondition of intelligibility through a Christian worldview.
You're dealing it through a lens of assumptions of paganism, but ultimately the ascension, the attempt to try and be like God, to not try thinking you're doing something new through modernity, but in reality, you're trying to really emulate what happened at the Tower of Babel through technology and technocracy.
Yeah, that's good.
I think thinking about it in the two forms of narrow AI and open AI is very helpful because the goal for many people, like Elon Musk, would be to avoid being overthrown.
By AI as being the main producers of new things, making humans essentially become irrelevant.
And that point would be called singularity.
So, in order to avoid that, the goal would be to blend humanity with AI, right?
I think the Bible is very clear that God uses the foolishness of the gospel to shame the wisdom of the wise.
So, when I'm thinking about open AI, I'm thinking about all of mankind's transcendental wisdom, right?
Let's say it's loaded on some cloud neural network.
Everything, everything on Google that you can think of.
The goal would be to somehow create a relationship between humanity and this cloud network in which you are constantly connected with it and there's no bandwidth issues, right?
So I already have a symbiotic relationship with AI through my phone, this narrow AI with Google.
But how long does it take me to get the information?
Well, how fast I touch it, right?
Well, how fast the internet is.
Brain to a cloud network in which you get all of that information like that, and you're connected to everybody.
So, I agree with Joel in the main sense.
I think it's impossible because I think it's fundamentally a materialistic worldview that assumes that we're nothing but neurons firing and impulses in the brain once you can control it.
I don't believe that because I'm Christian.
I don't think it's something that can essentially happen, but that's the goal for the people with that worldview, right?
So, avoid singularity by joining with this bored collective consciousness.
For example, but then there's scary things with that.
Like if you listen to Joe Rogan and Elon Musk talking, Joe Rogan asked him a great question.
He's like, Well, how do we censor this type of free speech on this cloud neural network?
Really?
He says, There's going to be some types of thoughts that are not good that we want people to avoid.
And he says, Well, what are you thinking?
He goes, Well, I'm thinking like more like fundamentalism.
And when we think of the words fundamentalism in a secular society, we're thinking about Christian thought.
Right.
And then what we think about, even with the Borg and Star Trek, is how does the Borg essentially get disrupted and ended?
By self government, right?
That they're no longer connected to this neural network.
But the goal, really, with the wisdom of men is to create an omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent wisdom that we can all connect to in order to be essentially gods of ourselves.
It's transhumanism.
That's the goal of it, right?
And eventually never die.
It's just man's gospel, and it's just there's nothing new under the sun, right?
It's the same lie that was given to man in the garden.
Number one, I don't think it's possible because I don't believe we're just material byproducts of neurons firing, just matter in motion.
I believe I have a soul.
And I think that's something you can't emulate or put into a computer system.
But it is a conversation that needs to take place because philosophically, this is like one of the biggest realms of thought that's going within our nation right now.
How can we symbiotically connect to this system to become gods?
And who can have access to this technology?
The Soul Cannot Be Uploaded00:04:45
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Right.
And yeah, to become God's and to escape death, God's judgment for our sin and live forever, achieve immortality.
I do think we've talked about this offline a little bit, but I don't think it's achievable.
I really don't.
I don't think God will allow it.
And I think for the precise reasons that you said, Andrew, because it doesn't take into account.
What man really is.
They don't understand.
It's not just their theology is lacking.
They don't have a proper, because their theology is lacking, they don't have a proper anthropology.
They don't know what man is.
They think the world is just stuff and they think that you're just a meat bag, you know, and that's, you know, neurons and, you know, all these things.
And so they don't take into account the fullness of man, spirit and body.
So I don't think they can do it, but I do think they can make it look like they did it.
And so I think it's highly probable, you know, that as more and more people, People, as we become more and more social media driven, where our lives are on the internet, there's so much that you can find out about a person that you've never met without ever having a conversation in real life with them simply by just scouring the interweb.
And you can find a lot.
You can find about the names of their parents and their children and this and that and the other, their address.
All these things are, or at least most of these things, much of these things are public.
Information, you know, and then if the person's, you know, active on social media, then you can get a lot of their opinions and their tastes and their preferences and memories, experiences.
And so I think that, you know, as time goes on and people become even more public and less private, and more and more of their experiences and characteristics and even memories are being uploaded, uploaded, uploaded for all to see, then I think there will be an opportunity for the Elon Musk of the world to say, you know, for the low, low fee of,
You know, initial fee for the uploading process for this procedure where they take, you know, the body, like, you know, the person or like right before death, before they die, they come in with this machine, you know, and they hook it up and blah, blah, blah.
And then there's, of course, going to be a hosting fee, you know, for all that bandwidth, you know, so to keep, you know, Sally, you know, your grandma Sally, you know, comfortable and, you know, her vitality, her virtual vitality up, you know, on the cloud every month, you know, it's like paying rent, you know, you're going to pay $3,000 a month, you know.
So that she gets to live forever.
You don't want her to die.
And it's going to be the same concept.
Here's the funny thing it'll be the secular humanist equivalent to the Roman Catholic Church with purgatory.
AI Mimicking Familiar Spirits00:14:45
So if you pay enough money, Tetzel, every time a coin in the coffer clings, the soul from purgatory springs, so you can get them out.
Whereas with transhumanism, it'll be so you can keep them in.
You have a monthly fee, and that'll be worse because with Tetzel, it was pay this and they're out.
But this will be.
You have to keep pain to keep them in, you know.
And so, anyways, now all that being said, here's my point.
I don't think that it'll be real.
I think they'll be able to collect enough data to where you'll be able to talk to Grandma Sally, you know, allegedly, and Grandma Sally, what are you doing today?
Oh, well, you know, in the virtual cloud, I'm doing this and what.
And Grandma Sally will say the things.
They'll be able to mimic her voice, they'll be able to mimic a hologram of her physical image, they'll be able to mimic, you know, and she.
She'll be able to say, she'll say the types that it'll seem like Grandma Sally because they'll have so much intel that we've shared publicly through social media and all these kind of things.
Grandma Sally, remember, you know, in 1999 when we did this?
And I said, Of course I remember that.
And then they'll be able to just spit right back, Yeah.
And then we did this and we did that.
And it's accurate because that was shared at one point online and it has records of it.
So here's the deal Grandma Sally, if she wasn't a Christian, where is she actually?
She's in hell.
But, but, You think, Grandma Sally.
And so, even that, what are the implications with evangelism and the urgency?
You know, like, oh, we don't need to share the gospel anymore.
Like, anyways, I'm rambling, but that's my sci fi.
You're tripping me out.
You want to know why?
What I think is possible.
Yeah, you're tripping me out.
You want to know why?
Yeah, because it reminds me of a form of crystal ball gazing, right?
And that used to take different forms throughout the centuries, as staring in a mirror, or the ancient Egyptians would stare at water until they see something.
And what would spirits do, right?
Especially demons, they would mimic and they would be counterfeits in order to give.
Information, maybe they would appear as your dead loved ones.
Right.
I've heard stories of LDS.
Familiar spirits.
Right.
I'd hear stories of LDS individuals doing baptisms for the dead, and they're like, I saw my dead relative wave at me when I was baptized for them, and then they disappeared.
Right.
You know what I mean?
Those things happen inside the temple.
They say it does, at least.
What's interesting about what you're explaining, it's almost like a man made familiar spirit, right?
We're uploading it, we're creating it.
These spirits, they're around us, they watch, they know everything about us.
Right.
And then you can get this form of entity contact through crystal ball gazing, staring in a mirror, staring in a river, right?
But now we're doing it for ourselves.
We're making counterfeit, counterfeit familiar spirits.
You're right.
It's a man made familiar spirit, which, to be honest, if you're going to tee it up that nicely for the dark realm, then it'll probably be both.
It'll be a man made familiar spirit, and then the familiar spirits, the ones that are real, will say, That's too tempting.
I think we'll dabble a little bit too.
And then you'll have, so you have the man made AI kind of thing going on that's mimicking a familiar spirit.
And then are familiar spirits capable of attaching themselves in that?
Artificial realm and start kind of speaking and guiding that, you know, because if nobody's doing it, right?
Oh, well, that's the whole idea of AI is it's just a hands off kind of thing.
So, but man's hands, once we build it and then our hands are off, can the demon's hands get on?
No, yeah.
And can they start?
I think so, man.
There's actually, and I don't recommend this friend, but there's AI threads going around where there's specific art with prompts that are given that create this very familiar looking demonic woman.
It's the same thing.
It has a name.
And it actually has innovated multiple different forms of AI in art generation.
But it reminds me of what we talked about with Colin Samuel a long time ago when we were talking about aliens.
Back when the nuclear threat was really wide going around during the Cold War, there's accounts of people who harness these codes to, you know, if they push a button, it's going to be a nuclear holocaust.
There's accounts of these systems being infiltrated by AI.
Forces that were trying to launch codes when no one was.
And a lot of people think that it could have been demonic entities invading these systems in order to try to create a nuclear holocaust.
So the same thing would be with these familiar spirits using these types of modes of human wisdom in order to trick us and deceive us.
I see that being 110% of possibility.
Totally.
Right.
Yeah.
And what's very interesting too in this conversation is that it's just how much we have been influenced, our thoughts on AI have been influenced.
By through the realm of Hollywood.
So, even a lot of times, you'll do posts about something weird going on with AI, and people will say, Oh, Skynet is here.
What is that a reference to?
Obviously, the Terminator franchise.
Terminator 1 and 2 are the only ones that count.
That's the only ones I accept as can't.
Hey, man, dude.
But, like, honestly, but what is tapped into is this fear, what they represent in Terminator 1 and specifically Terminator 2.
There's this day, Judgment Day, which ultimately is articulated, where everyone understands this as a concept called singularity.
Which eventually there is going to be a moment where the capacity of AI is going to take over.
It's not, we aren't, we're not going to be able to turn it off.
Right.
And how you view singularity ultimately comes through your presuppositions about who we are ontologically as people, but also what is the purpose of ultimately existence and the meaning of the world.
If we have blind, pitiless indifference where it's an evolutionary worldview, then you're looking at survival of the fittest.
Then if singularity means that this could be the ending of Homo sapiens because we're just the next.
Person on the chopping block.
And so that's where Sam Harris has spoken about his concerns about singularity.
There's a reason why we talked about when we first launched that Elon Musk is concerned that when we, if we don't shut off AI, we're opening up the demon that we won't be able to turn it off.
And even, and again, it's presuppositions that have to do with how we view the world and even understanding the scene and the unseen realm.
So another movie that was articulated a couple of years ago, it wasn't really that great of a movie, but it was with Johnny Depp called Transcendence.
And in that, his consciousness was uploaded to a hard drive, it was uploaded onto this computer's neural network system.
And so that's a question where you start to have to ask like, who are we truly?
Is consciousness part of this individual collective?
You've talked about one versus two.
If we live in a world of oneism, then consciousness, there's no true distinctions as far as me as a human being.
I am just part of this hive, this mind.
I'm part of the hive mind hive.
And so, through that presupposition, yes, I could, my consciousness, we could create technologies to where I could be immortal.
That might be a catalyst to achieve transcendence, which is everyone within oneism are always trying to do.
And there's We'll get into the reason why that ultimately is a bankrupt worldview.
There's no way out.
But what ends up happening, where if you look through a distinctly Christian worldview, what's the primary thing?
What's the primary scripture I think is the biggest counterpoint to the idea of the transcendence through uploading your consciousness through a hard drive and to achieve immortality?
Is that what does the scripture say?
To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
You're a pastor.
You've hosted funerals.
Mm hmm.
You and so that's something that I've seen.
I've been at funerals of specifically Christians.
That is the hope that one day, like the hope of the resurrection, is based off of that historical resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The holding on to a view where you could achieve immortality through technology that is the most anti Christ, antithetical disposition against what the gospel is.
And while we should love technology and utilize it, we're doing it right now.
We could, I could do a post right now.
About any topic that's even this discussion that would be put in front of thousands of people all over the world.
The last five to six years, I've, for the most part, besides when I'm at the studio, I've operated cultists from my phone.
Praise God for that.
This is a phone made by pagans.
This is papyrus that was made by the pagans back in ancient times, like in the first century that was utilized through thousands of years.
And we use technology for that.
Like we have our scriptures here because the pagans invented papyrus.
And the same way we can use that.
But then you have.
Presuppositions that go completely antithetical to everything that we should know about that.
And then you also have those right now in high power.
You have people like at the World Economic Forum who are talking about how they want to create this, the fourth industrial revolution, where we are a full merger between technology.
We're part flesh and ontological flesh and human, but we're completely integrated with technology and believing that we're part of this mind hive.
And so that's where.
It's that's where it's extremely dangerous because then you start making distinctions between the perfect human race and ones who just aren't as good haves and the have nots, technically, and you start creating have and have nots.
So, when you're part of a mind hive, you really could look at a genocide as just like an iOS update, you're just updating to a higher phone, you know.
The perfect race is the iPhone, you know, 15 plus, where we were not too long ago.
Like, oh, we can just get rid of the iPhone, uh, you know, the iPhone 4s, we don't need those, right?
Those are those are less persons, you know.
And so you don't think they get rid of a race.
I think they get rid of a sex.
I think they get rid of men.
White men, for starters, we're first in a chopping block.
But seriously, I think they would get rid of men.
Like at this point, you know, you've probably got enough semen on file.
You know?
Yeah.
Like, do you really need men to continue the human race?
Wow.
That's interesting.
I'm thinking of this crazy dystopian universe right now.
But what's interesting is like being a Christian, it's like, I don't want the wisdom of the world.
Right.
I want the wisdom of God to flow in me through his word.
You know, there's this weird Gnostic heresy that, like, still permeates throughout our culture today that there's this weird transcendent form of wisdom that we must tap into in order to create the perfect human.
You know, the spark of divine within humanity, the one ism, right?
The flesh is evil.
There's wisdom that I must get.
So we're creating this cloud conscious network of all of human wisdom.
And if we just tap into that, we'll have salvation, right?
Through maybe a material item.
Used a neural link, for example.
But the point I'm trying to make is that won't save you and it won't save you from the judgment of God, right?
It says it's appointed for all men to die once and then comes the judgment.
Salvation comes through Christ's sacrifice on the cross for us and the wisdom that we inherit of God through the Holy Spirit because nobody knows the mind of God.
AI doesn't know the mind of God except for the Holy Spirit, who is God.
And when He dwells in you through His Word, you can have a relationship with Him.
Like I will have immortality because of what Jesus did and God.
With me, you know, it's really just a counterfeit gospel.
It's a counterfeit gospel.
It's counterfeit wisdom.
It won't save anybody.
Instead, it makes individuals think that in order to avoid this judgment of singularity, which you were talking about, instead of placing their faith in Christ, you're placing it in the wisdom of men and material objects.
Yeah, that's good.
Yeah.
It's kind of, you know, a part of eternal life that we always forget it's not just immortality and living forever, but it's, you know, Jesus says, and this is eternal life that they know me.
John 17.
They know the Father and me, who you have sent.
And so part of eternal life, a significant part of eternal life, is relationship with God and knowing God.
Whereas it seems like this counterfeit gospel is the immortality piece there.
So to escape judgment, to not die.
And then I feel like the transhumanists would say, and this is eternal life, knowing self.
Instead of knowing me, knowing God, it's deeper and deeper and deeper knowledge of self, which.
Again, I don't think they'll be able to achieve it.
I think they'll be able to fake and pretend to get you to pay that monthly fee for, you know, Grandma Sally.
But here's the thing I don't think they'll achieve it.
And I have some, like, and not just because I'm guessing on a whim, I have some serious theological convictions for why, objectively, I don't think they'll be able to achieve it.
But even if they were, it would become quickly devolve into hell.
It would just be, you know, because eternal life of knowing self apart from Christ and devolving further and further spiraling into self.
And then this hive mind of other selves, of humanity as a whole, and its depravity.
And like we were saying from the very beginning, even with narrow AI, which is what we have now and we've had for a very long time, things like Chat GPT are just further evolved, but it's still firmly in the category of narrow AI.
And these are just tools, right?
A hammer, you can build a house, you can bash in a man's skull.
It's just a tool.
And to be fair, it's a very, very, very powerful tool.
It's a much further developed and upgraded tool.
But it's still just a tool.
And so, anyway, but my point is just to say that I don't think if we somehow could achieve transhumanism, I think it would not be neutral.
That's my point.
It's just a tool and it's always going to have the imprint of man on it.
And because man is inherently evil apart from salvation, which comes through Christ alone, you would be devolving, not knowing Christ and him crucified, but knowing further and further self.
And other selves in this virtual world that is not neutral, but very much reflective of man who is totally depraved apart from Christ.
My point is, it would be a virtual hell.
All we would have done is we wouldn't have achieved eternal life.
We would have just made hell 2.0.
There's God's hell and then there's man's hell.
They're both bad, and you can go to either one.
And again, I don't think we'll achieve it.
Using Technology For God's Glory00:14:44
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Yeah, it's really weird.
Like when I think about AI and if there was a possibility, let's say, to put this consciousness inside of you, let's just say there's a possibility.
Again, upload your consciousness to the cloud or put all of it into you.
Okay, like a neural link kind of thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So what I'm thinking about, I know what terrified me when I was a child, and that was demon possession, right?
I think I first saw The Exorcist when I was 10.
I don't recommend it for anybody.
You were 10?
I was 10 and terrified me.
But that scared me.
Possession scared me.
But when I'm thinking about a symbiotic relationship with no bandwidth between this transcendental wisdom of all men, I'm thinking about demonic possession in a weird sense.
It's not a demon, it's a counterfeit, but you're literally paying for someone to possess you and take away all of your self government.
If you're connected to all of these people, it's essentially possession.
And that terrifies me.
It's a weird form of.
Counterfeit Holy Spirit.
Yeah.
Like, I want the Holy Spirit to dwell in me to have the mind of Christ, Philippians chapter two, to consider others higher than myself.
Instead of the mind of collective man, the mind of mankind.
So instead of being like Christ, the Holy Spirit possessing me and dwelling within me, I have mankind dwelling within me, collective mankind, and the mind of man instead of the mind of Christ.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's straight up putting Babel inside of you.
Yeah.
Weird.
Yeah.
Another example would be the merging of technology and how, and, and, you know, it really is indicative on what worldview they.
You have because a lot of even what's being articulated has been readily available for thousands of years, way before the technology was ever invented.
So, when you look at like what is occultism primarily, what's really interesting is that you know, the main thing like throughout the Old Testament, there's not really that much mention of demons, there's only a couple of examples that are given.
Like, you have the instance with Samuel and the woman of Endor, but as a whole, which, yeah, but as a whole, like the dangers of the occult.
Is not because it's going to open up the demons.
It's because it's an abomination to God.
Like, so really, what's emphasized throughout the Old Testament when it comes to that is to fear Yahweh.
That's what's really emphasized.
There's not too much focus on demons.
And all of a sudden, you have in the New Testament that they're everywhere.
Like you look in the Gospel of Mark, and it's like Omaha Beach with just the invisible principalities and powers going on.
So, what you end up seeing, though, is that when it comes to AI, technology is inherently neutral.
But what you're seeing is that it can be a catalyst for good and a catalyst for evil.
Like one way that we'll get into is like here's a pinnacle example of where there's not people think it's modernity and it's new to evolve technology, but there's nothing new under the sun is Dr. Stephen Greer.
We'll talk more about that in our episode on the Grays, but he's someone who's a physicist.
He knows quite a bit about the whole UFO conversation.
But what he ends up advocating for is that the government has, you know, because of their, you know, they're trying to hide UFOs and aliens as a way to cover up for, you know, they're trying to not make it accessible to us.
So therefore, we need to start having CE5 disclosures, which are close encounters of the fifth kind.
And that's by. getting into seances and occultic practices to get in contact with entities.
Therefore, you can over surpass the middleman, which is the government trying to hide everything away.
Where I'm going with this and connection technology and AI, he utilizes this by telling people to download this app that's available through his website in the Apple Store where you can conduct a CE5 disclosure through an app on your phone.
Now, while an app is an app, it has probably the same technology, the same encoding that'll be utilized for like a Bible app or if you have an app or there's other, you know, Christian companies that have a good app that can be used for the glory of God.
The same coding might be used for his website that might be used for the same principles will be for like apologiastudios.com or for our website.
But that technology is being used as a catalyst where there's nothing new under the sun.
That technology is being utilized to do something that God and His law warns about and says, don't do that.
Don't cross over.
Don't try and transcend through these occult practices, through these sorcerers and magicians.
So at once, was the divining rods.
You think about the comparison with Moses when he's putting the gods on trial, when he's putting the plagues in Egypt, one of the first things he does when he goes before Pharaoh, both of them cast down their rods, right?
Both of the rods turn into snakes.
Moses did, but Aaron did it through the power of God.
Like Pharaoh's sorcerers, they did the same thing.
However, it is done through their practice of the dark arts, being involved with that.
So then the question is, in the same way how those two rods are together, like they both got used, but had different powers tapped into it.
You have technology that can, if you're not careful, it'll be tapped into really the nothing new under the sun, which is just ancient neo paganism.
You have a predisposition of oneness, and it's not just technology.
Now we're trying to bend the universe to our will.
That's the technology going on behind CERN, you know, and that's a whole rabbit hole in it.
But even like the presuppositions is that I'm God, I have control over the universe, I am one with the universe, and I can bend the universe to my will, and I can.
In the same way, how you could build a temple goddess and to be able to tap into unknown powers and information, I want to utilize instead of using bricks and stone, I want to use technology to try and get in contact with entities that bend the universe to my will so I can practice alchemy through technology.
I mean, yeah, this has been going on for ages, man.
Like there's books which we'll talk about later as well when we talk about Mormonism, like the Magus, that gives sacred geometry and rituals and rites.
If they're done in certain ways, or if you pray a certain way on a certain day, you're able to contact God essentially to get divine revelation.
There is nothing new under the sun.
As long as you do X, Y, or Z, you're able to gain this type of knowledge, which will eventually lead to some type of awakening in your soul or in your mind.
It just went from Sacred daggers and circles on the ground to material objects placed inside the brain.
Right.
You know, but I mean, there's a benefit though to Neuralink because it's basically created in its most basic form to help people medically, right?
Like it has been implanted.
There's a YouTube video of a man talking about it.
Mind you, he's still in a wheelchair when he's talking.
But the benefits of Neuralink neurologically could eventually lead to someone who's paralyzed actually being able to walk one day because that does actually have nerve, you know, that does work biologically in that sense.
But that's separating it from.
Connecting to your soul to consciousness.
You know what I mean?
So that's a good thing.
That's something I should praise God about.
Eventually, maybe a blind person getting Neuralink will be able to see.
I don't know.
That could work one day.
That's a good thing.
Just like you talked about with the technology with your iPhone.
Now I can stream and give the gospel to thousands of people online just at a push of a button.
That's a good thing.
What we have to be very wary of, though, is the ability for people to take something that can be used for good and use it.
For evil.
But I mean, God even used the Egyptian culture to be plundered by the Jews.
They gave them their gold and said, leave after the death of the firstborn.
But what was the problem, right?
The Jews eventually took that gold and they instructed Aaron to build a golden calf and they worshiped it.
So the warning that we have in scripture is if we are to plunder these types of things as Christians in the future, if God gives us this technology, we don't want to do what the pagans do and worship it instead of use it to the glory of God.
Amen.
So, practically speaking, what are, for now, if there's, you know, for the listener who's saying, well, I, you know, I want to use narrow AI as a tool.
Because I think that if Christians just collectively, wholesale reject it out of some superstitious, because I wouldn't say that it's theologically rooted, it would be a superstitious, non Christian whim.
I'm like, we're not going to do that for the same reason that, You know, our grandparents' generation didn't use playing cards, right?
Not just that they didn't gamble, right?
There could be a reason, you know, biblical argument made about that.
But, like, you know, like my grandparents wouldn't, they were Baptists, classic Baptist move here.
But they, you know, they would do Uno or Domino's, right?
But not playing cards, right?
Because playing cards, it's like, well, you gamble with those.
Like, no one's ever, you know, bet on Domino's.
Right.
But consistency wasn't.
The point.
It was arbitrary, good old fashioned Baptist superstition, not based in scripture, not with a theological principle, but a very, you know, just a Christianese veneer, but really superstition.
So, all that being said, for if Christians take that approach to narrow AI, I think it'll be just one more chapter and a significant chapter in this.
In the saga of Christians abdicating and handing over to the pagans, another massive W, another big win.
You know what I mean?
We fall completely behind because of ultimately, in the end, not fidelity to Christ and wanting to remain pure, but actually just bad doctrine.
Yeah.
No, you guys were, because you were theologically anemic and dumb, ignorant, because you're ignorant, theologically ignorant, you thought that this was the righteous thing to do.
I'm not going to use this or whatever.
And once again, you gave just another massive portion of real estate to the pagans.
Yeah.
You're, you're, what, What Paul says is whether you eat or drink, whatever you do, do all things to the glory of God.
There's that weird fear of doing something that could be innately evil to create a biblical conviction that's not based on the truth in terms of trying to glorify the fear of man.
And you're not going to glorify God in that, in terms of technology, I'd say.
Like we can do AI and use narrow AI to the glory of God.
It's real.
Like I made a shirt right there that could be used to help fund Cultish, a ministry in which the gospel goes out to.
Different types of demographics in the world, you know, and that's all to the glory of God.
We must have the ability to see that and have our biblical convictions grounded in the truth, you know.
Right.
So, my question is practically like, where, what would be the product or what would be the type of AI?
So, narrow AI, it's a tool, it can be utilized.
Christians should not be superstitious and just completely forsake it and fall behind.
Okay.
And I took too long earlier to say that, but that's basically what I was saying.
But here's the question When, when, Should the Christian, when should there be a red flag?
Like in practical terms, what would be the product that comes out on the market where you guys would say, oh, that one is too far?
Like it's not just a tool that's, you know, neutrality is a myth.
It's a tool and it can be used, you know, positively or negatively for the glory of God or, you know, or against God.
No, no, that one, it's, no, no, that's not just a hammer, you know, that can be used well or be used poorly.
No, that one, to embrace that at all, Would be, you know what I mean?
Because there are certain things like in the scripture where it's like, okay, hammer can be good, hammer can be bad.
And then there's other things like, and you shall not suffer a witch to live.
Right, right.
I get it.
Necromancy is not like, now, necromancy, you know, can be wielded in very positive ways.
Right.
No, no, no, no necromancy.
I'd like to hear your thought, Jerry, but real quick, what I think it would be would be like the forbidden fruit.
Do not eat of that, right?
The fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
And for the unhinged listener, when Andrew says the forbidden fruit, he is not saying, I believe it's any Apple product.
Right, right, right.
Because I got some guys who might be like, I hear you.
I see that wink, brother.
I hear you loud and clear.
So, mash that iPhone.
Yeah, so that's not what you're saying.
No, no, no.
That fruit would be if there's an item that tells me that I can gain all of the wisdom of the world and become just like God, right?
Put it in your body, become possessed.
No.
Like, that's where I would hardcore draw the line.
No, I want to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
I don't need the wisdom of the world.
God chooses the foolish things to shame the wise.
And I am going to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
And I'll vehemently reject anything that connects me, if it were even to be possible, to a collective consciousness of man's sinful nature.
Amen.
Now, what about the thing that goes in your body that is strictly, like we talked about earlier, to help the blind guy see or fix your spine or the paraplegic to walk, but we don't know, could have the possibility later on to be hacked.
Yeah.
And see what I'm saying?
Neuralink And Family Government00:07:15
Right.
Yeah, that's scary.
That's hard.
Like, what do you say, like, pastorally?
What do you say to someone in your congregation who's in a wheelchair?
And let's say it's seven years from now, and they, they, Elon's, he's finally done it.
Allegedly, he's got this thing, and you know, it'll cost some money, but they'll be able to walk without a cane, without crutches, without, you know, they'll be able to walk and put that, retire the chair.
But that factory down the road we just drove past, maybe they're working on that right now.
Yeah.
I know.
Yeah.
But there's the, the, the chance, and we don't know, but there is the chance that it's not wrong.
It's not morally wrong now, but that same technological framework is now in your body.
And could be hacked.
It's kind of like some of the arguments with the mRNA vaccine.
It's like this thing is now in you, and then we can activate it.
Remember when people were worried about the 5G?
They were going to send this message, and then everybody who had gotten the vaccine, that message was going to use a certain frequency that would then activate this portion of the vaccine, certain chemical that would boom.
What about that?
What about, okay, it is still technically narrow AI, and it's for a medical purpose, and that's All it's for as of now, but the technological foundation has now been laid and not just laid in a product outside, but laid in your flesh, in your body, attached to you that could later on, yeah, a switch is flipped.
And that's that's tough, right?
I think the way that I'm navigating this is just through the realm of being a new husband and a new father.
Is really, I think, I'm thinking through the lens of what is what's the jurisdiction when it comes to the God given spheres of government.
You know, you have self government, family government, church government.
And while this phone right here is a great piece, like I've got a picture of my little man right here, and that's the example that I have the responsibility to be his father, to be the best person that I can, that God's called me to be.
But there's a lot of technology on this phone.
There's app developers right now that have an agenda that want to get their hands on my children, on our children.
Specifically, that's a violation of that jurisdiction.
And now, right now, you know, we've even talked with my wife about, okay, well, how do we.
What are we even going to allow screen time?
Like, what are we going to allow him to watch it?
And at some point, it's inevitable.
How do we actually introduce him to this stuff?
And my even question is that right now it's 2024.
My son will be 10 in the year 2034.
Like, will phones even be a thing, right?
So, if we're going to look at this sort of technology, they're already physically trying to get their hands on their children, trying to brainwash them into thinking that, well, you should just take these different puberty blockers and we should cut off your private parts for people who are underage.
They're already that aggressive.
What's going to happen when we have the technology to implement them to try and create even more gender?
I'm just throwing out theological conjecture, but if they're going to try and implement technology to even do like Neuralink for children so they can do this, that, and the other, are they going to work behind my back?
They've already demonstrated to go behind children's backs.
You've seen this with the parents who are going and complaining, and they're super brave for standing up to the school board because.
They've already had, but they never should have handed them over in the first place, and they're doing the gender confusion behind their back.
Who's to say they're not going to do the same thing when there's that technology?
So, if they're going to protect, how dare you teach my children, you know, pictures of pornography in an elementary school?
It's like, would you like to teach your children yourself?
No, I wear a pantsuit, I'm a boss babe, and I will not quit my career.
Yeah, oh, and you're a conservative, that's cute, right?
Now, but if you're going to utilize that, you know, new technology to where you're going to utilize that to go behind my back.
To try and influence my son, you know, to be, you know, just to be, to explore his gender identity and that sort of stuff behind my back.
That's a direct violation of my God given jurisdiction as a father, as a head of my household.
So, then in that case, that's where you have to practice with wisdom and discernment.
How do you not be paranoid, but also know that this sort of technology is going to be an unequivocal violation of the jurisdiction?
That could happen also, too, in the sphere of church government.
There's already the question right now about whether or not pastors should use AI to help with their sermon transcripts.
Well, what are the presuppositions behind AI?
They've already shown that, I think it was with ChatGPT.
Where there's a distinction in trying to what they'll say about Jesus versus what they will say about Muhammad.
Oh, yeah.
They will not, there's already blasphemy laws already ingrained within AI.
Into the algorithm.
Right.
So then the question is how much should you allow AI to be integrated with this?
So if we end up under a sort of totalitarian technocracy state, are there going to be thought crimes behind, if you even think to entertain the exegesis behind Romans 1 when it comes to the role of transgenders and homosexuality?
And again, there's nothing inherently. evil inherently about AI or AI is inherently neutral.
But if the creators behind Silicon Valley, who ultimately have a worldview of oneism, they're antithetically, their worldviews and their predispositions are opposed to the Christian worldview, their presuppositions are going to be read into the text.
So if you and ultimately, then now you're blurring distinctions into the code.
Right.
And now this is, you think about this, this is another level to it.
Now you're blurring distinctions between the material And the immaterial, because what's the role of what's one of the primary roles of the Holy Spirit?
Now, we all, as Christians, we have the predisposition that all scripture is inspired by God, but that ultimately one of the roles of the Holy Spirit is to illuminate the text of scripture.
But if you have an artificially emulated version with predispositions antithetical to the Christian worldview, you're now relying on this arbitrary, vague technocracy to eisege the text of scripture versus the Holy Spirit, right?
Is another replacement of the Holy Spirit.
Spirit, like Andrew, it's just another example of replacing the Holy Spirit.
And it also eradicates obedience to the greatest, first and greatest commandment to love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, but also all your mind.
That I no longer have to actively love God with my mind.
But that one won't be a big deal to most evangelicals who haven't been loving God with their minds for at least 60, 70 years.
We stopped obeying that commandment a very long time ago.
Doctrine divides.
And that's no creed but Christ.
And we've been anti intellectual, forsaking loving the Lord with our minds as evangelicals for a very long time.
You're right.
And viewing this and viewing artificial intelligence through the lens of God's sovereignty and Him working all things out according to the pleasure of His will, and you truly do believe that, then you can understand technology and its purposes, what AI can and can't do.
Demons Or Sophisticated Programs00:03:28
So going back to Canon, Terminator 1, Terminator 2, the idea of a machine.
Going on, taking embryonic cybernetic organisms, including human tissue, like that happening, could not happen according to a world that is governed by the sovereign eternal God of scripture.
Because the one thing is that he is sovereign, he ordains the rising and the falling of kings.
So, according to that predisposition, there's no technology possible to create a portal to go back in time and space to re alter history.
That would mean that there's an aspect of, there's a realm in which.
Christ is not sovereign over.
You cannot go back and try to alter it, and you can't, it's not possible.
The same reason why you can't upload someone's consciousness into a hard drive because to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
The only way there could be appearance through that would be demonic deception.
And that's where for me it gets weird because now you're dealing with a part where it's not just technology.
And then again, someone like Elon would have the predisposition that you're just dealing with flesh and bone.
And the Neuralink is that.
But now the question is okay, if you're uploading grandma to a hard drive, her consciousness to a hard drive, so you can cause you to communicate with her.
Okay.
For a fee.
Right.
For a fee.
What is that?
Is that something that's new?
Is that the majority of something brand new?
I think, on one hand, it's, well, first and foremost, it's not her.
Right.
So we know that.
But then, you know, then that gives a couple alternatives.
One, it's a highly sophisticated, narrow AI program.
Right.
And then the other option is it's a little bit of that.
And also, it's a playground, a virtual playground for demons that come in and also.
Manipulate the program so that grandma, uh, grandma, uh, it's so funny, you know, because in life, grandma just wanted to talk about, you know, the weather and, you know, and her cat that she loved.
We would, you know, but now grandma always wants to talk to me about theology and about this one world order and how we should care more about women and, uh, a global, you know, government and the environment.
And oh, well, at that point, it's like, okay, well, you should have known it wasn't grandma all along.
Uh, but secondly, this is, you know, A highly sophisticated technological program.
And here's the thing it could also be demons who want that, or it also could just be the highly sophisticated program that's not neutral because it was made by men who are also influenced by demons.
And so, of course, in either case, really, in some level, it's irrelevant.
Like it's either the raw program that was made by demonic men and therefore has a demonic messaging, or it's the It's not completely the program, it's part program, but then that becomes facilitates the context for demons to act.
But in both cases, it's uh, it's it's it leaves room for demonic influence, whether it's you know, so anyway, it's like a tap into the prince of the power of the air for a fee, right?
Like you asked, you asked a question, like ethically, when do we draw that line?
So if we put technology in our body that could eventually be hijacked, um, ought we be able to put that in our bodies in the first place?
Drawing Ethical Lines With AI00:06:35
So, I've never thought about that, to be honest.
So, I'm trying to think through that right now and the implications to say, well, since it could happen or living in a what if, I will not get that.
But I mean, the same thing could be used instead about the electric grid and electricity.
You know what I mean?
The electric grid could be tapped and taken away from us, and all of the energy can be used and placed into something else.
Maybe I'm missing categories here in my thinking.
I do think those are separate categories, just in the sense of like it being in your body, able to influence your mind.
Okay.
Like, sure, we're reliant on lots of things.
Like, I am.
Dude, I am very reliant on electricity.
I'm a soft man in that regard.
And if I lost it, man, because of all the dependencies that I have on stove and oven and lights and all these kinds of things, life would be very hard.
But it wouldn't, my mind would still be free.
Right.
I would still be me.
I'd have some challenges.
I'd have to figure some things out.
You'd have someone recording us with a little crankcam.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
He'd be running in the back.
Right.
But I'd still be me.
Yeah.
So I do think it's a different category, but I hear you.
I don't know.
I don't know, you know, because I would, of course, I'd be like, no way would I get a chip put in me.
But here's something, you know, to consider I'm also not in a wheelchair.
Yeah.
Right.
Like, that's just a whole nother level of decision making.
Right.
When it's like, chip that could be hacked, but also I can walk.
Yeah.
Like, you know, like, I really like to walk.
Yeah.
I don't want to get hacked.
You know, I like to think as well.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So for me, it's like, yeah, no chip, no brainer.
Yeah, I think ultimately it comes down to just walking in wisdom.
I think in the book of Colossians, it's one of my favorite books in the entire New Testament.
And one of the things that Paul says, and he's talking to an audience that's like, Colossi was as pagan as you could get.
As much as we're sort of talking about the return of the old gods and kind of the rise of neo paganism, everything that we're facing, Colossi was a burning man 24 7 on steroids.
That's what you are really dealing with with that congregation when he's writing to.
But he says, conduct yourself with wisdom towards outsiders, making the most of every opportunity, but let your speech be with salt, you know, seasoned with salt.
And he even talks about it may not be the same, but he also, in another part of scripture, he talks about being wise as serpents and gentle as doves.
So it is a matter of just conducting yourself with wisdom, understanding the world and the culture and where it's headed.
Where again, a lot of people will look at the rise of transhumanism, think they're tapping into something.
Brand new that no one else has done before.
But when you actually look at what the ancient pagans did, there's really nothing new under the sun.
And that's where, you know, even we're talking about technology and we'll talk about in other eras.
I mean, we're talking about how Austin is kind of like the new technocracy is taking over San Francisco.
And a lot of even like the water people around Amazon, Google, who've pushed a lot of the modern AI, and there's been some weird things happening where they did the race swapping that happened.
They have predispositions of critical race.
Oh, Gemini.
How do you say it?
Gemini.
Gemini.
Yeah.
And it was like, show me a colonial, blah, blah, blah.
It's like, black, black, just erased white people.
Right.
Yeah.
So that you see like predispositions.
It's like straight up, no apology.
I forgot about that.
But a lot of times the creativity that's utilized for those who are creating technology, they're doing it by psychedelic usage.
They're trying to normalize that.
And that now they're also, you have a lot of the major technocracies, they're burners.
They're very heavily involved in Burning Man, which we'll get into.
But that's just, A thing where you don't want to be an episode on burning right, too.
Yeah, and so you're not going to be at the end of the day.
I think you need to not be fearful of technology, but I think this is where you need to really do your work.
This is as much as some people would try and argue against that Christian is like the Christian walk is the ultimate work of the intellect because you have to really you're called to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, right?
You love Him with every Every ontological distinction of who we are, both with our body and also with our spirit.
And I think through that, you need to understand okay, who am I?
Like, what is, like, how is God sovereign in this role?
What is this technology?
Is it doing?
Is it made in such a way that it's glorifying God?
Or is it being conducted in a way that's going to violate my jurisdiction, whether it's self government, family governments, church government, you name it?
And it's just so important.
So, because that last part is so helpful in answering the question, you know, so where's the line?
And you said, well, you have to ask the question is this going to violate, say, how did you word that again?
Just violate the jurisdiction of family government.
So, I think like a violation where AI was using a sinful and wicked way was in 2020.
I remember I was on Facebook and I got a notification that said, Jeremiah, you clicked on a picture, you clicked on an image that had wrong information about COVID 19, but it never specified what the piece of content was.
It didn't specify what the article was, what I said.
So, I was basically tried and convicted, and I was basically a gaslit by technology.
Now, AI is just AI, but you have.
Those at that time who were part of the message, they were part of the mantra of like, you know, social distancing, wearing masks, you know, just trust the science, right?
So, any thought crime that went against it, I got convicted of a thought crime on that.
That was a violation of my jurisdiction of self government to do my critical thinking, to analyze the world around me and use my reasoning that God gave me to understand, okay, how do I conduct myself?
You know, and if I'm thinking now as a husband and father, if there's another pandemic, I want to utilize, okay, is it safe to go to work?
Should I not go to work?
Because I want to protect my wife.
I want to protect my four month old son and like a continuation of my lineage.
I want to think critically.
If in the event that happened, that would be a direct violation of that.
So that would be something that would be, you know, you can't punish AI, but you would have to confront the creators of that AI and say, no, what you did here is wicked and you need to repent.
You're violating the space of self government and family government.
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Yep, that's good.
I like that.
Andrew, any final thoughts for this episode?
No, I love that, man.
That was awesome, Jerry.
Throwing it down.
That was theonomic, brother, man.
Yeah, get it, dude.
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