The Friday Special - The Biblical Case For The Existence of Mermaids | Episode 7 w @hauntedcosmos_ contrasts grim Russian Rusalka myths with Disney's sanitized version, exploring the Book of Enoch's account where mermaids are cursed wives of fallen Watchers married to Cain's daughters. Hosts debate whether these entities are manifestations of evil principalities governing water bodies or deceptive apparitions distracting humanity from Christ, citing St. Columba's command over a Loch Ness monster. Ultimately, the episode weighs supernatural origins against natural phenomena and drug-induced hallucinations while inviting support for bonus episodes on ghosts and angels. [Automatically generated summary]
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Dark Mermaid Souls00:14:39
There was a young woman in Russia who loved a young man who she met often in the woods at night.
She didn't tell her mother of these rendezvous, but she loved them nonetheless.
The young man promised her his hand in marriage and told her that he was leaving for Moscow to tell his father of his new bride so that he might come back and take her with him.
The young woman ran to her mother and excitedly told her the news, but the old woman warned her daughter not to trust a promise from a man who left.
The young woman was in sorrow because the man never returned.
The young man who had promised marriage to the girl for his part was found again someday.
He was found dead by the banks of the river.
He was covered in water and had been drugged back to the surface, though clearly he had fallen in.
He was the victim of Russia's first Rusalka, the lifeless women who dwell at the bottom of the rivers and lakes, who are scorned in life and who are therefore cursed to take the souls of others in their death.
This is the emotional disjunct.
Life is much better down where it's wet.
I feel like it was a heavy cold open.
It was so good.
But then you just got a little mermaid.
Little mermaid it in.
Yeah, exactly.
Just some little mermaid.
Are we going right now?
I think we're going.
Oh, wow.
All right.
Hey.
Fantastic story.
Under the sea.
Under the sea.
So, how do you pronounce it?
Rusalka?
Rusalka.
R U S A L K A.
So, that is, we're going to talk about a few theories of mermaids.
For sure, they're real and we know where to find them.
Let's get first things first.
First things first.
Show our hands.
Yeah.
So, in terms of percentages, mermaids, 100%.
Not that they did exist, they do exist and we know their exact location.
You'll have to stick around to the end of the video to find that out.
Wait a minute.
That's a big problem.
We do?
That's a big problem.
Well, I'm sticking around.
No, we don't.
But I've got a theory.
But what we want to do for at least the opening portion of this is just say there's a lot of conceptions of mermaids.
I mean, this is a universal myth, legend for a very long time.
And you've given us one.
And it was great for a cold open to just grab the listeners.
But the one that you provided for us is dark.
Very.
But to be fair, they're all pretty dark.
They're all dark.
Yeah, mermaids.
And that's why I was obviously, I thought it was going to be funny.
You guys, I think, were terrified.
I didn't catch on to it until you started saying it.
I was so confused.
I've never in my life.
Been more confused.
Life is much better than where it's wetter.
Yeah.
So that's the lie that they tell the Rusalkis.
Exactly.
Well, that's why I was saying, no, but seriously, a lot of little girls today are being indoctrinated and taught.
There's a fascination with mermaids and it's always in this positive light.
Mermaids are great.
We need to go back to Hans Christianity.
We need to go back to if you're a mermaid, you're in hell.
You don't want to be like these girls.
Yeah.
You're in hell of sorts now.
And then you'll either cease to exist and annihilation kind of thing or you will be in hell later.
But let's, real quick, let's get some theories.
So, one is the Rusalka.
Yeah, the Rusalka.
It's like a woman scorned who dies for some reason.
The subtext is that she kills herself in the river.
And since she died in such scorn, or she was drowned in the river.
Yeah, or she was drowned in the river by the sorcerer.
And she's now forced to take the lives of others by the same means.
So, she hunts men.
And usually men.
Yeah, usually men.
Usually men, yes.
Right.
So, that one is a revenge.
So, that's the Russian myth.
Yep.
And that's a revenge story that these are women who are the ones who are They were once human.
They lost their lives unfairly, or they made a deal with the devil, some sorcerer, a coven.
Or in some conceptions, I'm pretty sure I'm familiar with at least one story where, and it's also Russian, it's the Rusaka, where some men took these women and robbed them and drowned them in the river.
And then later on, those same men come back and are seduced.
They see these women who are bathing naked in the nude in the river and who are beautiful.
Oh, come, come, you know, and they come and then they drown.
Let's go further.
If you ever come across.
A nude, I'm just going to say person, but especially lady.
It'll be a weird thing.
And she's beckoning you into the woods, the ocean, off of your boat.
If she's singing to you, what you want to do is say, that's the demon's house.
And you just stay home.
Be gone forever.
Turn around.
You say, I've made a covenant with my eyes not to be enticed by the demon mermaid ladies.
Amen.
I've seen too many stories about this.
This is a common danger.
Kids, you need to know this.
Kids, you need to know this.
This is like a dare program for being enticed by cyborgs.
I'm turning to drugs.
Hey, Right away.
Do not mess with mermaids.
That's right.
And don't stop at home.
Just run straight to church and repent.
Go to church.
Just.
Yep.
You need to get saved.
You got stuff to repent.
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
All right.
So, Rusalka, revenge.
That's what that is.
It's a revenge story, and they're plaguing men.
And these are common mythological tropes.
Many, many various mythologies will have some kind of wrong that's done, a life that's wrongly taken.
And so then that spirit of that person.
Becomes a haunting entity and ultimately seeks for justice.
I think the human desire for these, the source of some of these mythological foundations, really comes back to our desire for justice and our understanding that justice isn't perfect in this life.
And so rather than believing the gospel that God is going to accomplish perfect eternal justice, we mythologize justice in the form of the vengeful spirit.
So you see this, I mean, this permeates mythology on many, many levels.
The Chinese, the hungry ghosts.
That's what I think.
And then the mealing in, I think, Scandinavian of the child that was born out of wedlock and the mother killed the child and now the child comes back.
Black eyed kids.
Yeah, right.
It's related to the black eyed kids.
Even changelings and some.
Right.
Yeah, very common thread that runs through a lot of these.
So, Brian, real quick, tell us about because let's just be honest.
You're useless in this episode.
You told us by your own admission.
I'm virtually useless.
You're utterly useless.
I said.
You're going to contribute humor?
Yeah, I'm going to contribute.
I'm going to.
I'm going to make fun of you guys for saying you believe in mermaids.
If I feel like it.
If I choose it convenient to also believe in mermaids at some point, it will no longer be cringe.
It will actually be really cool to be.
But one thing that I was going to say you can contribute is like the Disney movie based off of.
The Hans Christian Andersen original.
So give us a little bit of his conception of what mermaids were.
His conception is much more dark.
They're all dark.
It's wrong for her to.
It's a tale about escaping the boundaries of your given domain.
Right.
Which is again.
I mean, it's going to come up in many things that we talk about.
When you desire wrongly to go outside of your creational bounds and you attempt to do that, only death results.
And so at the end of the tale, the mermaid lady that wants to become the man for the sailor who's, you know, handsome and whatnot, she ends up in constant pain and, you know, knives, the feeling of the earth under her feet are like knives.
It's nothing like the animated.
No.
There are no singing lobsters to be found anywhere.
And at the end, she just dies and becomes the foam on a wave.
Right.
And that's, and so part of his conception was there's a reason.
It's not just for the sake of love.
She sees this dude and, you know, and is dissatisfied with the, you know, the mermen down below.
The mermen are hunky enough.
Potential pseudoscience.
Part of it is in his conception, mermaids live, he said, much greater, longer lifespans than humans.
So humans put them at 80 years, 70, 80 years.
But mermaids would live to be 300.
But the difference is that when the human dies, they have an eternal soul that will transcend.
But the mermaid is soulless, which is why Ariel is redheaded, right?
Gingers have no soul.
Gingers don't have souls.
Right.
And also Nephilim, right?
You're redheaded six fingers.
That's true.
Brian has red hair.
Just for the record, there's a reason that old joke of gingers have no souls.
That actually comes from somewhere.
God gives little hints.
I'm not saying it's true.
Like, colorful frog, don't eat it.
Yeah.
Yep.
Redheaded person.
Watch out.
Don't trust him.
Don't trust him.
Okay.
Indeed.
Here's my issue with the Russalka type stuff.
I'm uncomfortable having a category in my head of a person that is lingering after death.
Right.
And who's.
I'm more comfortable with some sort of sentient being that's soulless than I am with a person whose soul is lingering.
Yeah, exactly.
And to go back to the Little Mermaid, the actual Little Mermaid 1.0 before Disney made it happy and all those, what I was going to say is only a 300 year lifespan.
He actually says they become the green, glowing sea foam once they die.
Their soul doesn't go anywhere, they just meld into the ocean.
But also, the reason why she wanted to fall in love is it wasn't because she couldn't find an underwater suitor.
But the only hope, so she actually has this mermaid has a discourse with one of the sirens.
They're like basically, you know, sirens of the sky, wind, you know, with wings.
And she has a discourse with one of them.
And they say, well, the only way that you would have any hope of regaining a soul is that you would have to make a soul being, a human being that has a soul, fall in love with you and you could share in his.
And so that's part of the motivation is not just finding a partner for erotic, you know, romantic reasons.
Hence the siren.
Trying to become.
Uh, sold and therefore immortal, and so that's so that's one conception.
So you have the Rusaka, you have that little mermaid, you know, the famous one, but the dark version, the original version.
Um, there's also Enoch's.
Yes, you want to tell us about that one?
I know that that's your big one.
You're this is like Joel's.
This is like Joel's.
I am Enoch.
Joel flew us down here just so that we can get to this point to share this theory of mermaids.
Could share a theory of mermaids, yeah.
So, well, mermaids bring all the boys to the yard.
And then they drown them.
And that's right.
Because they're trying to steal the soul.
Actually, it's a very like Lilith motif.
It is.
Or succubus motif.
Yeah.
Because they're trying to steal the soul, the life, the blood, the child of the thing.
Whatever it is, the force.
Vampiric.
The vitality.
Yeah.
It's very vampiric, actually.
It is.
Yeah.
Anyway, so Enoch's.
So Enoch's conception, and I like this one because it makes a little bit more sense of like where, you know, what's the origin?
Where did they come from?
So Enoch says that, you know, that it's not just that the watchers, these fallen angels that see the daughters of men, that they are lovely and come into them, take them as wives, that it's not like Genghis Khan.
It's not that these fallen watchers forcibly take human women as a harem of wives, but that these daughters of Cain, right?
So there's this godly line of Seth.
So naturally, we would assume that the women who actually would join in marriage with these watchers who are in rebellion against God would be worldly and carnal and rebellious women, daughters of Cain, but that they're not forced into the marriage covenant, but they actually do so willingly.
They're actually attracted because they're.
Carnal, sinful human women, and therefore attracted to rebellious, angelic, fallen creatures.
And so they, and these, for the record, these watchers are not, they don't look like ogres.
But also think Thor in the sense of like us, like us.
Like I think of even the Psalms that ultimately is a messianic prophecy speaking of the Christ and the author to the Hebrews, who of course is the Apostle Paul, he makes that clear.
But in the Psalms, you made man just a little lower than the angels, right?
Who is man that you should be mindful of him or the Son of Man that you should care for him?
It Angels, at least some angels, there's a debate to be had about cherubim and seraphim and four living creatures and the 24 elders, but at least some of the angels, messengers that actually have earthly visitations, look a lot like us.
Every description that we have of them, they look a lot like us.
Higher beings, attractive beings like the men of Sodom, want these angels for nefarious, crude purposes.
So they're more attractive than your average human, but they're not so majestic and supernatural that people don't think that they have.
That they're human at all.
Well, it's part of why it's so easy for the Greek gods to get human women in all of the Greek myths, they're very attractive.
And they're close.
So, exactly.
So, they look like Timothy Dalton.
They look like men, not monsters, but men.
They're not men, but they look like men.
And they're close enough to men in terms of genetic relation that they actually could procreate.
That these fallen watchers, and I know that's a whole can of worms.
We talked about it last night.
Maybe we'll make that a bonus episode.
In fact, I think we will.
I think, you know, just if you become a Patreon supporter, you can have access to some of the bonus material.
And part of that is in depth analysis and some theory and history of Hollow Earth theory.
But we'll probably throw an angel episode down.
We'll argue about angels.
Yeah.
We'll argue about angels, how physical, how spiritual.
We'll just throw down.
We're actually going to move the chairs.
How virile are they?
It's just going to be a wrestling match where we'll each dress up in a costume that demonstrates our favorite conception of what an angel might be.
Dibs on Smeagol.
Yeah.
Brian's going to dress in a costume covered with eyes and six wings.
Personally, if I had to choose.
Jump off the top of the bookshelf.
Yeah, just completely.
To be clear, it's like me and Ben versus you.
Because you're tall.
Okay.
So what me and Ben, we actually.
We're about the same height.
That's what I need a tall guy.
It's really that you're tall.
Like eight-year-old boys, we stood back to back to see.
Dude, you're so short.
By comparison, you're not going to say a short king.
Thank you.
Okay.
But the point is this: angels being close can procreate.
The women are volitional.
And that this is a fur, they're already of the line of Cain and rebelled against God in one degree.
Wrestling with Angels00:03:41
But now this is just full sin.
Like there's no coming back.
We hate God.
And they know they're not tricked.
They know that these are rebellious watchers, fallen angels, and they willingly, they're not taken captive, but willingly join a marriage.
And that the offspring of this unholy union is the Nephilim.
And then from the Nephilim descend giants.
But it's not just the watchers have sinned.
They're then locked in gloomy dungeons.
That's their punishment.
The Nephilim are the product of the sin, and they're wicked and sinister and monsters of sorts.
But then no one ever talks about what happens to the women.
Well, except Enoch.
Except Enoch.
And Enoch says that the women's curse is that they became sirens.
And he uses the word sirens.
They become mermaids and are banished to the sea.
And in biblical terms, the sea is often, heaven won't have a sea because the sea often is referred to as a place of the dead.
That the sea is a barren place.
It's a place of lost souls.
And that these sirens have gone.
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Fallen Nephilim Spirits00:12:59
So, Joel, in this conception, If I'm not mistaken, there's an element where the theory is that in some way, giving way to these beings is a seeding of their soul.
So they become soulless.
Exactly.
In the sense that some portion of their soul has been consumed or taken from them.
Am I mistaken?
In this theory, the mermaids themselves, as physical creatures becoming mermaids, may have died off, may no longer exist.
But think like Michael Heiser, Nephilim, kind of thing.
So, like, the demons.
Right, that Jesus, you know, when he casts out legion, it goes into the pigs, you know, or a demon when it's displaced goes through arid, waterless places until it can find a host.
In Michael Heiser's conception, his scheme, you know, which I think is absolutely plausible, that these are the disembodied, these are not fallen angels or rebellious angels, but these are the disembodied Nephilim spirit that are, they can either go above or below.
And so this would be the wives now that were the mothers of the Nephilim and the wives of the fallen angels that they forfeited.
Their soul by taking part in this union, and they became mermaids.
And then maybe the mermaids eventually died off, but likewise, not going above, not going below, no more soul.
And so they too, like the Nephilim, are disembodied spirits, but in the water kingdom.
That is interesting because if you, yeah, I mean, I guess no one talks about the ladies, you know?
They don't really talk about, yeah.
Because every other party gets a really clear punishment.
Yeah.
The angels do.
Except the women.
The Nephilim do.
The giants do.
That's interesting.
So do you, like, do you buy that?
No.
Okay.
I was going to say, I think it's possible.
So Hollow Earth, man, you guys heard that episode.
I was, I was like on board with it.
You're like a solid 40% of the crazy idea.
Yeah.
Because we weren't even talking about the later conceptions of, That we think are absolutely, you know, but I specifically said, so I have no one to blame but myself, but I said the King Kong Godzilla version of Hollow Earth, and I put it at a 40%.
With creatures and ecosystems.
I stand by it.
Large reptiles, trees, dragons, trees, sea monsters, and they've got the primary water down there.
So, of course, they live a lot longer.
So, what's the percent on Enoch's view of the world?
So, this one, I'm going to put it between 10 to 20%.
Okay.
Because what I like is the idea of the women being punished.
Me too.
Punish the women.
I know it sounds bad, but honestly, we do live in a world that is the divine feminine, where women are always a victim, whether it's abortion, whatever it is.
They're always.
And often our own actions rise up and become a punishment for us.
Yeah.
Where those who hate wisdom love death.
And so there's divine punishment in addition, obviously, in terms of God's wrath, but God also pours out his wrath in them receiving in their bodies the due penalty of their sin.
Right.
For example, in Romans.
So it's like what's crazy about it is the whole idea, but what's at least.
In terms of the patterns, interesting is that that would align the natural consequence of you giving way to this.
Hey, you went and did drugs.
Right.
And then you went crazy and you stabbed your boyfriend 50, 57 times.
You know?
Yeah.
It just happened in the news.
Right.
100 times.
200 times.
Was it 100?
It was 100.
And all she got was community service.
And all she got was community service.
She got one hour of community service for each stab.
She should have become a siren.
Can you imagine that guy?
Like, if he was a Christian, he's in the great cloud of witnesses right now.
Are you serious?
Is he Judge of California?
Did he make it?
Oh, I don't know.
Like, I mean, I don't know.
Did he make it?
Like, 100 stabs?
What's he stabbing with?
A toothpick?
Stranger Things in Happiness.
Or was this a knife?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Y'all told me about this story.
He's probably.
It originated from Brian.
This guy's has nothing to do with Brian.
Another thing that I like about that.
Okay, and then I was going to say, we got to get your theory.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, another thing that I do like about Enoch's thing that I am probably around a 10%er on.
Okay, so I'm not that far off.
I mean, I said 10 to 20.
I'll say 10 or less.
It depends on the day.
10 or less.
And zero is less than 10.
And zero is an option.
Five is less than 10.
But what I like about it in terms of reconciling mythology is that it actually gives an origin story for Lilith type creatures, for succubus type creatures, sirens, mermaids, and not just sirens.
It could be all of these, the witch, bird lady, all of those things, like the demonic feminine.
As well as the siren myths that we do see in history.
Yes.
You know, that there are these creatures in the water who will entice you in.
Lure them.
This transcends cultures.
This goes to oceanic lakes, rivers.
This is anywhere you find bodies of water.
This kind of mythology really does attend.
So, similar to some of the other topics that we've dealt with on Haunted Cosmos with ghost stories and with dragon stories and with giants, you do have to do something with the question of where did these stories come from?
They come so universally.
And we don't ever adhere to the answer of, well, it's a Jungian motif.
In the human psyche, that just came out of the ether.
It's just in the.
It came from something.
The bandus mundi that circles the earth.
It's the band of thought.
And we just latch on.
These thoughts come in and out of our head.
That's nonsense.
Yeah, that's nonsense.
So, my idea, one idea for mermaids that I think is plausible according to me, which is authoritative.
Right.
It's work cited.
I made it out of the Hanukkah Cosmos podcast.
Seriously, though.
Work cited on this.
I made it out.
Yeah, this is 100% made up.
But it is compelling to me.
So, we know that there are different angelic types.
You know, you have the seraph and the cherubim.
And they all serve different roles.
So, thrones, powers, dominions, principalities.
I think that it's.
They're 100% physical.
Well, okay.
Definitely not.
They're all male.
This is commonly Joel in the history of this flavor.
This is the flavor that we all agree on.
No, it's not.
No, it's not, to be clear.
But I think that it's not outside the realm of possibility given texts like Daniel 10 and Daniel 12, where you have the Prince of Persia resisting the angel sent to Daniel for weeks.
Right, for 21 days.
And he needed the Archangel Michael to help him, which is awesome, by the way.
But.
So, you have a prince that is an angelic prince that's put in authority over a dominion of men, Persia.
A principality.
Right.
And presumably, it's a fallen principality, which is this would be Calvin's view that God put a fallen principality over a fallen people, Persia.
To give them authority.
I'm saying the region is the principality, the prince.
Fallen prince over reason.
Right.
Fallen principality.
But I was saying that what if a dominion or a principality, sure, could be not bound to groups of people?
But to geographies.
Yes.
To certain geographies.
I don't think this is outside the realm of possibility because we know that the acts.
Poor excited, emphatic truth.
Well, yeah.
Well, no.
So we know that the acts in the unseen realm affect the seen realm.
We know that the angels blowing trumpets in heaven make earthquakes on the earth.
That's right.
This is a one to one thing.
I don't understand the mechanics and I'm not going to pretend to explain the mechanics, but we know that that does happen.
So you could have, in my idea, you could have angelic type entities, whether fallen or not, over geographic realms.
And they govern the natural processes of those realms to some degree to carry out God's decree.
Very medieval.
Right.
It's very medieval, but I love it.
And if you want to call it a fairy, you can do that.
It's fine, but it's not technically a fairy.
And so, in this way, not only does this answer the possibility of mermaids, because you can have some of these things falling into sin.
And so, therefore, creating particularly stormy seas or rugged waters or a rugged wilderness or a desert.
Or a forest that's very dark, that's easy to get lost in, like the Japanese suicide forest, clearly overseen by a fallen geographic angel, obviously.
But then this also allows you to answer the positive side, where you have river daughters in folklore and folkloric myths, and the old man Willow, who's very good and kind to people and actually gives life to people.
It allows you to have a Narnian conception of nymphs that's not completely negative.
But that actually, maybe some of the nymphs do dance with Christ, with Aslan, and they help bring about his dominion on the earth.
And so, if some of these then fall, they take on, because they're now made lesser, a more physical form, but they're still over that area, and God still uses them.
They're still bound to bring about his decree, even if they think that they're going against it and sowing discord into the music, but they're really not.
But they would seek to destroy.
So instead of a body of water giving life, it's a body of water that takes.
And ultimately, these mermaids are physical representations of something that's supposed to give life, taking it.
Right.
And we know that that's not supposed to be.
And so that's my idea.
No, that's great.
I like that conception because, again, I do think that from that you can derive an origin story because that's one of the questions where do they come from?
And so if you have watchers and they're falling, and then, you know, in and being fallen, each one is appointed within the sovereignty of God, you know, appointed over a particular principality, thinking of the prince is the watcher, the principality being the region.
But that some of these regions, they're geographic, they're not just cities where people dwell, but geographic.
A mountain, a river, an ocean, a desert.
And this is why every religion has a holy mountain.
Right.
Because there's a being on the mountain.
And then in taking, exactly.
But then in falling and being assigned to a particular region that they took on certain attributes in the physical of that region, then, okay, like, so where that gets me is, okay, Poseidon, Dagon, right?
So the Philistines, one of their chief gods was Dagon, the fish god.
What if he, what if Dagon is a watcher, right?
If fallen and but over the region of the water, and then in terms of supernatural power, just for the record, remember in the book of Job, just in the first couple of chapters, Satan, right?
So, there's this divine council, the sons of God who are angels, but then Satan is among them, and God says, You know, from where have you come from roaming to and fro over the earth?
And then, you know, God says, Have you considered my servant Job?
And there's this wager of sorts all underneath the sovereign banner of God, so Satan is not autonomously.
He must do only that which falls within God's sovereign plan.
But he does have power.
And God says, in the first phase, later on, he allows Satan to afflict Job's body with sores.
But before that, the boundaries that God sets is you cannot touch his flesh.
And during that, one of the things that Satan does, besides just stirring up the evil intentions of the Chaldeans to rob Job and these things, is that Satan actually goes and has power over the wind and causes a great wind to blow so that.
The house of Job's children capsizes and collapses upon them and kills them.
Also, when Jesus calms the storm, who's to say that there wasn't some kind of demonic power causing the storm in the first place, trying to capsize the boat where the Son of God is?
But then what makes Jesus so significant is, like the disciples say, who is this who has power over the wind and waves?
Well, we know from Job that Satan had power over the wind.
So it's not that God is not superior in the sense that he has exclusive power, he's the only one that has, but he has the greater power.
So even dominating Moses, dominating each of the different gods, real gods, not just smoke and mirror, but real gods in Egypt, they're able, the magicians can cast down their staffs.
They too actually turn into snakes.
But what's superior about Yahweh is that Moses, his serpent, swallows up the others.
And so Jesus calming the wind and waves, what if it's It's not that he has power over the wind and waves and that Satan didn't, but that Satan is actually trying to capsize.
He's stirring up a storm on the water, the Sea of Galilee.
But Jesus, when he gives his command, it's the superior command.
And then even Jesus walking on the waters, turbulent waters, again, in the midst of a rough sea, it's exercising and symbolizing Christ's dominion that he walks on the realm of the dead, that he tramples upon it.
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There's no reason, as well.
I mean, to go back to my classic Haunted Cosmos conclusion that.
These also just can't be a demonic phenomena.
Right, right.
You know, where you have demons who are engaged in trickery for all those purposes, and that you have demonic powers that are involved in stirring up all of the wind and the waves and involved in.
Because we know that demonic powers, when they were oppressing or possessing a person, could affect their physical health as well.
It could give them, like, basically epileptic seizures, throwing them into a fire, like all of these different assaults on the physical.
There's some mechanism that we don't understand by which the spiritual enemy can afflict the physical and bring power to bear in the physical realm.
So.
I actually think that there's another possibility here without positing a new type of soulless 300 year old woman or even an elemental spirit type of category where you can also say, look, if you're not down with any of that and that's too far off the reservation for you, if it's real, it absolutely could be demonic powers.
Yeah, just a minute.
Engaged in deception.
So there is a.
Yeah, that's for sure.
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There were a few things that I.
So the one is, I actually don't think that the watchers are the only ones that fell.
We know that Lucifer also fell and he was not a watcher.
He was probably a cherubim because of Ezekiel 28, but we don't know that for sure.
And so I think that it's quite possible that within that whole timeframe, you had multiple different ranks of angels falling.
And I do like.
Even when they fall, them remaining ordered as a reflection of them remaining under God's sovereign decree and over his power.
And so they don't fall out of their role, they just fall into a twisting of their role.
And then Calvin talks about this in his commentary on Genesis at length, actually.
He talks about how a fallen angel, like a messenger, would take on a twisted version of the same role.
So they would visit you all around DMT trips, for example.
Right.
And they would bring a message.
Right.
A fallen principality becomes the prince of Persia and they lead Persia further into their sin.
A fallen elemental would become, for example, the Egyptian god of the Nile, who in the first plague, God kills and fills the Nile with his blood.
And then, by the way, or Dagon.
Right, or Dagon, just real quick though.
This is amazing.
So the Egyptian sorcerers are able to do the serpent thing, which is dragon, they're able to turn water into blood.
They're able to do the frogs, they're not able to do anything else after that, and it's because the goddess of frogs in Egypt was the goddess of fertility and sorcery.
And so, when God judge elder, when God kills the goddess of sorcery and fertility in Egypt, the magicians can no longer they're like, We're doing all the spells anyway.
To work, that's what's really fascinating to me.
That is so, but that's actually a melding of all of the points.
These are real exceptions.
When we say God, we don't mean there's only one true, right?
Capital G God, but lowercase.
What we would conceive of as divine beings.
Yes.
Yeah.
So, this is just when people colloquially say demon, what you're saying is actually basically the same thing I'm saying.
There's different categories.
There's just different categories of spiritual beings that fell, and within the realm that God gave them, they fell.
They operate and they're still there within that realm.
But they're fallen now.
And some of them are still there, and then some of them have been locked in absolute dungeons.
Absolutely.
Yes.
Particularly for the sin of procreating with the daughters of men and creating the Nephilim.
I think that the sin of the watchers who fell and did that was so grievous that they are locked in gloomy dungeons.
The Nephilim, the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, I believe are the unclean spirits.
But I also think that other angelic categories could have fallen.
They've never been locked away.
They're still here.
Because they didn't commit the same sin.
And so, in God's sovereignty, he delights to see them used against their will to achieve his ends.
I mean, yeah, God uses death to destroy death on the cross.
Exactly.
God uses the flood to save Noah and to kill.
We've talked about this already.
God loves to do that.
So he uses Persia to destroy Persia.
I can't emphasize this enough.
God doesn't, you guys know what Deus Ex Machina type, where you have a plot in a story and then all of a sudden, just by magic, everything's fixed.
And you're looking at the story and you're like, that's not that satisfying.
Right.
Because you can't really see how the resolution came about.
It's much better, like Frodo and Smeagol and Smeagol Gollum and the Ring, that Smeagol, through his slavery to the Ring, Sauron's will to dominate would end up dominating a character that led to the downfall of his own dominion.
And he swore by the precious, and then he broke the vow.
And then in breaking the vow, he condemned the ring itself.
And you guys, forgive me.
This is the cringiest thing I'll do this whole series.
It's like in Harry Potter.
J.K. Rowling just ripped this off of.
But is that more cringy than it's like the Avengers?
But it really is.
I want to make this point because she just ripped off the Christian gospel when she made Horcruxes, where the soul of the serpent enemy, you know, Part of it's lodged in Harry.
He becomes sin, is killed by the serpent, but then because he gave his life for his friends, rises and they are protected by his death for them in the resurrection.
And the serpent ends up devouring itself through his.
Even in the final battle where Harry Potter destroys Voldemort, he doesn't cast a killing spell.
He casts a disarming spell, and Voldemort casts a killing spell that rebounds on himself.
Right.
So Rowling just stole all of this from, you know, I'm not putting in the same league as Tolkien just for the record.
Thank you.
At all, not even in the same movie.
But it is, dude, I like Harry Potter.
But she stole that story.
Not stole, this is how good storytellers work.
It's not Deus Ex Machina.
It's God uses means.
So some people, I think, when they come to the story of redemption and how it works itself out in creation, we really want to simplify it down to a Deus Ex Machina thing, where it's like all of a sudden everything's just boom fixed.
But God really does like to use the serpent to kill the serpent, death to kill death.
God likes to use a, so there is such a thing as a Deus Ex Machina.
There's a miracle.
There's such thing as a miracle.
Technically, where someone is miraculously healed.
But that's from our perspective.
God operates on a system that He developed, which is His sovereign decree from eternity past.
And most of that sovereign decree is carried out in a system that He delights to use that we can also understand, which is things that are categorized and that operate within their categories and their spheres normally.
And through that, what seems to us a very slow process, but is actually very effective.
So, speaking of systems, I like systems.
I think.
For the most part, in systems, I think this is what we have so far for the listener.
One option is messenger angels.
Angel just means messenger.
So, like Gabriel.
So, for those messenger angels who fell, and that was their role, now it's they're still within their role giving messages, but now it's lying messages, twisted messages.
So, one conception of mermaids is it's all a lie, a lie promulgated by demons and these messenger, well, you know, fallen angels, messenger angels, and people.
Have sightings of them, and especially if witchcraft is involved, aka pharmacy, drugs, then they might actually, you know, these messenger angels may appear like to have a tail and jump out of the ocean or communicate with them or blah, blah.
So that's one is just to fascinate people, to distract people, to twist and pervert truth, take them away from Christ.
That's one conception.
Another is that there was actually a punishment for the women who engaged with the fallen angels, fallen watchers.
And so it's not just their children cursed, the Nephilim, and not just.
The Watchers cursed who did that and going to gloomy dungeons, but the women became sirens.
That's Enoch's version.
And then the other one that you were saying is that each of these angels that fell, some of them being Watchers, some of them being Messenger angels, some of them maybe a cherubim like Lucifer, fell and had different regions and different roles and took on certain physical aspects of their region, their geographic region.
And so those who were over water or oceans or these kinds of things became known as fish gods like Dagon or within.
You know, Greek and Roman mythology, you know, like Poseidon.
And that they might have also, it's possible, taken daughters of men.
And that maybe the Nephilim version of a fallen angel who was over a water arena and took on physical aspirations, maybe that hybrid conception is a mermaid.
Whereas the hybrid, you know, if it's, I know this sounds a little bit ridiculous, hear me out, but if it's a fallen angel that had a land role and went to a land principality region, And then human women who live on land, it's a Nephilim that's a land creature, but unhinged.
Whereas if it's a, you know, water type angel over a water region, still land women, but then it's half human, half fishtail mermaid.
I wouldn't say that.
But someone would, Joel would, someone who really loves seafood.
I'm not saying that that's what happened, but I'm just saying that's another.
Yeah, it could be a way to conceptualize it.
Basically, if I were to.
Put my idea in a sentence, it would be that there is such a thing as an elemental spirit, and some of them may have fallen, thus creating evil rivers, evil forests, evil mountains, and therefore mermaids, old man willows, and the mountain, you know, the third man of the mountain who kills you or something like that.
And the mermaids, but in that conception, what is a mermaid?
Yeah, okay, so I would say that in that conception, you can have a physical manifestation of the spirit that's over that area that lures you to your death for this, not even for deception.
Because they hate the image of God.
Right.
And so they want to see it dead.
Right.
And so they do what they can to kill it.
But it's not real.
It's an apparition.
Right.
But it is real.
I mean, yeah, it's real, but it's not physical.
It's real.
It is physical.
It's not seen as physical.
It can manifest as physical.
Because the angels that appear before Lot, they have physical form.
They're able to eat.
They entered with Abraham.
You touch them, it is a real thing.
But that doesn't follow from that, that is its permanent form.
Right.
It could also be that they have the capability of.
Taking on temporarily, this form.
They may be able to take on different forms, like we do outfits, because they don't just angels and spiritual beings aren't just given to perform purposes in earthly settings.
They were also made to perform functions in heavenly settings which we comprehend very little of, because we're not the imagers in heaven, like that's not our job.
Um we, we have dominion over earth.
That's what we're given to do and uh, in a sense, what we're saying ultimately is that man in christ then, is Following after the Lord, the same way that the armies of David followed after David, are to go out and wage war, spiritual battle against the powers and principalities that are in principle defeated and being driven out entirely.
So, everywhere Christians go, there should no longer be a haunted mountain.
Let me give you an example of the Wicked River anymore.
So, St. Columba was an Irish monk who was a missionary to the Scottish.
People of his day, and I can't remember the date, but it was before Saint Brendan.
And the legend says that one day he was standing on the shores of Loch Ness and he was trying to think of a way to get to the other side of the river that flows out of the loch, which is just another word for lake.
And he's thinking, he's like, I don't know, it's kind of, it looks kind of dangerous.
All of his buddies are behind him as other monks.
And he sees down the way a little bit a collection of the people that he's actually trying to convert.
And so he goes over to them and he sees that they're in the midst of burying one of their.
Fellow men who had just died because he got into the lake and was attacked by the monster that lives in Lake Loch Ness.
And so Columba says, Okay, here's what we'll do I'll revive this guy.
He stretches his staff over the man's chest and he comes back to life and all is made well.
But then he says, I'm going to go a step further and I'm going to show you not only that the God of the Christians has sovereignty over life, but also over this monster that you're so afraid of dealing you death.
And so he tells one of his monk fellows to swim across.
Loch Ness to get the little boat that's on the other side and to come back to him.
And so this young man, without any hesitation, he takes off his cassock and he jumps in.
And soon after he jumps in, people start to see the big ripples of the monster coming towards him.
And the monster lifts its mouth above the surface and starts to roar at the man.
And right when he is about to clamp down his jaws on the man, St. Columba commands him to stop in the name of Christ.
And the monster stops and he cowers away as if he's yanked back by ropes.
From a mighty ship.
And he's yanked down to the bottom of the lake and he doesn't come back again.
And the man swims across, gets the boat, and swims back.
And then all of the people converted because they saw the power that the Christian God.
It's Boniface, but it's in Thor's oak.
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That's like Boniface on another level.
Yeah, I'm going to say that could have happened.
Yeah, absolutely.
I feel like that's an end of that episode.
That's a mic drop.
That's an end of episodes.
Yeah, that's fantastic.
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