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Oct. 4, 2022 - NXR Podcast
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THEOLOGY APPLIED - Recovering A Faithful Christian Witness

Pastor Joel Wevin announces a price hike for the Post Millennial and Theonomy Conference to $130 after October 31st, featuring speakers like Dr. James White in Georgetown, Texas. He details Truth Matters Conference outreach in Buffalo, where he confronted abortion clinic visitors near the mass shooting memorial, claiming providers target Black neighborhoods similarly to white supremacists. Wevin refutes claims that men cannot hold theological opinions, insisting Scripture mandates applying Reformed theology to abortion and race without discrimination. Ultimately, this mission seeks to restore a faithful Christian witness in what they describe as a spiritually dark city. [Automatically generated summary]

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Conference Price Hike Announcement 00:11:10
Wait, Hold it.
Big announcement, a scary announcement, a threat, but also a promise.
The price of our conference, the Post Millennial and Theonomy Conference, it's going up.
It's going up right after Reformation Day.
We are going to hold the price at $100, which is super cheap for a three day conference with Dr. James White, Dr. Joseph Boot, Dr. Gary DeMar, and the guy who's not a doctor.
So we'll say Pastor Joel Webbin.
We've got a great conference May 5th, 6th, and 7th in Georgetown, Texas, just north of Austin, for $100.
Super cheap.
But we can't hold that price forever.
So if you want to get into that price, you got to get in now, right after Reformation Day, not Halloween, Reformation Day, October 31st.
That's the last day that you can get in this conference, register at the price of a hundred bucks.
After that, starting November 1st, it's going to be a hundred and thirty.
So go to Right Response Conference dot com, Right Response Conference dot com, and register today.
Thanks.
Applying God's word to every aspect of life.
Is theology applied?
Hey guys, this is Pastor Joel Wevin with Right Response Ministries.
I'm so privileged to be here right now at the Truth Matters Conference.
The host is Mark Hamilton.
This is his church, his sanctuary that we're sitting in right here.
It's Faithful Stones in Buffalo, New York.
And what we're doing is multiple sessions, multiple speakers.
We've got Samuel Say, we've got Mike Harding.
Is that how you pronounce it?
Yep, Mike Harding.
So multiple speakers, multiple pastors and writers and Christian leaders.
But we don't just have conference lectures and meetings.
We're actually taking this conference to the streets.
And so Marcus designed it and orchestrated the conference that way.
We just got done going to an abortion mill where 17 babies just this morning in Buffalo, New York, have been ripped apart in their mother's wombs.
And we went to preach the gospel, to preach God's law and gospel.
And we experienced, guys, you tell me if I'm wrong, but we experienced a lot of women that were just very broken victims, correct?
Or no?
No.
You know, I think actually Mark mentioned that there was a lady who, as she was driving by, said that, you know, she's very proud of her abortion, that she's celebrating, she was dancing as she's saying it.
There are some women who, of course, after they've repented, they are horrified about their abortion.
But a lot of unrepentant women who are post-abortive, Celebrate their abortion because they celebrate their so called freedom they have over their abortion.
So, the idea that a woman who murders her child is a victim is horrific.
It's a ridiculous idea.
Mark, you're right here.
You're doing this every week, right?
Don't you go to the abortion mill every week?
So, we have some kind of gospel reach every single week.
Starting with Monday, we're out in the corner in the middle of the mess, as I call it, in this city.
And then we branch out into the abortion mills around the city.
Today was a great day.
Because God's people were on the front lines trying to rescue those that are being led to the slaughter.
And yeah, we have some kind of outreach every week.
Mainly, again, an extension after the Lord's Day, we go out of these four walls, stand on the corner, and preach the gospel to this city.
Real quick, in addition to that, I was shocked.
I knew you were right here on ground zero.
But when I showed up to your church, And you could literally, I mean, I know this is an expression, but literally, I could throw a rock and hit the memorial for the Buffalo mass shooting that took place.
It's right in your backyard, the top stores, right there.
I can see it from your church parking lot.
I mean, you're right in the heat of it.
Can you talk?
What was that like as a black pastor in Buffalo?
All of a sudden, you've got a white supremacist, all these things go down.
What has it been like to pastor in this city through the chaos?
Well, it has been tough physically as another image bearer watches image bearers suffer.
It was tough, but the gospel is at the bottom of it all.
Before it all.
And what burned my heart, and what is the impetus of this conference, is the lack of a truthful gospel worldview to explain the evil that happened.
There were days without Christ, without his gospel, without hope.
And that burdened me.
And I wanted to be an example, not only to the flock that I serve and shepherd, but I wanted to be an example to the Community to say there is hope in Jesus Christ, not vengeance, not this vitriol that these wrong emotions that are being stirred up.
The gospel is sufficient, his scriptures are sufficient if we would just use them.
And so, um, that that has been my that's how I got through it, just like I get through a message, just like I get through counseling the sheep.
I presented and just did actionable, and we just basically extended.
What we normally do to the wider community after this happened.
Yeah, Mark and I have been talking for over a year now about me coming here and doing some work here.
And again, like you, I knew he was right at the center of this issue.
And you told me, again, it happened in your neighborhood, and I knew that, but still, yesterday when we were preaching the gospel outside and we're just a short walk away, you're seeing just a memorial.
It is saddening.
But what's even more saddening is, People who are even closer than we were to memorial were selling drugs Right there while we were preaching.
And then today, while we are at the murder mill, the so-called abortion clinic, teaching truth and the gospel and You know, trying to save babies and people souls, There are people who are, as we said, celebrating That people are being murdered there, and these same people would be people who are probably at the memorial saying, how could anyone do this?
All right when you know the mass shooting was horrific it killed He killed 10 people and injured three more.
Well, today we learned that before we showed up, 17 people had already been killed.
There'd be no memorials for them, right?
And in fact, people would even celebrate this.
So, you know, and what's fascinating too is I know that the white supremacist, he researched the most populated black area to find so that he would kill the most, the biggest number of, I guess, black people.
Well, the murder mill has the exact same thinking too.
They know this is a.
primarily black area.
So they bring their murderous intentions here so they can kill as many people as possible, including as many black people as possible.
But yet again, while we were there, we were being shamed for being there when, you know, they were supposedly, I mean, we know they are grieving that 10 people were killed at the mass shooting, but there are mass murderers at this clinic or at this mill.
And sadly, we are one of the very few people in the city, well, you are one of the very few people in the city that is, you know, that hates all injustice, whether it's from the white supremacist who wants to kill people who are born.
Or the white supremacists, the evil people at abortion centers, murder mills who are killing babies and people before they're born.
And I think what was tragic to see, I was standing and I've ministered outside abortion mills for a little while now.
And one of the things that you see as the women are going in, we had three after that 17 that went in that we pleaded with that looked at us, only one kind of hesitated.
And listen for a second.
And the rest, they wouldn't even acknowledge it.
They had already suppressed the truth in their unrighteousness.
And we even had people turning up the music in their cars to drown out the truth.
They were suppressing, literally, it's a visible sign of suppressing the truth, turning up your music in your car.
And what is just heartbreaking is that at the same time, so we're out there, we see the tragedy that's happening, we know that the women aren't victims going in.
They're just clearly making this decision that they premeditated on to murder their child, to have their child murdered.
Some of them even having to go to a pharmacy to get the pill and then come back so that they can be watched while they murder their child.
So that's time that you're thinking about what you're doing.
It's not just a happenstance thing.
It's premeditated.
Absolutely.
And when I think about the idea of equal justice and equal protection, we were yelling that.
Equal rights.
You preached on it, Joel, as they were in their car.
And I remember one of the people just screaming out, like rejecting it, rejecting the idea that that baby deserves equal protection and equal justice.
But the reaction that you're saying is so key.
Our listeners need to hear this.
The reaction was not that as I'm preaching about equal justice and equal protections, the reaction is not that they're sitting in their car with their heads sunk low, crying.
No, the reaction is visible rage, screaming, like lots of middle fingers, lots of, you know.
That's what people need to recognize.
This is not, oh, they just don't know it's a baby, right?
So it's not the victimhood of ignorance and a lack of education.
It's not the victimhood of difficult circumstances and I have no other choice, but I really don't want to do this.
This is not your grandmother's safe, legal, and rare.
That was always a lie.
Always a lie.
This is shout it from the rooftop.
This is throw an abortion party afterwards and celebrate your abortion.
And we heard that.
You hear these libs of TikTok, you know, you hear it on a Matt Walsh show or something, and you're like, but that's the minority.
No, no, no.
We saw it this morning.
We were there for an hour, one day, for one hour, and we literally shouting their abortion, celebrating their abortion.
I got an abortion, and I'm proud.
That is not the minority.
That is the orthodox, common position of those who stand for death.
Abortion Celebration Controversy 00:03:09
Mark, you were going to say something.
No, I just wanted to piggyback on the guy that walked through the crowd.
With his two dogs in his broken logic.
You know, you have, because you're a male, you can't say anything.
What do you mean?
You can't have an opinion, was his exact words.
I said, You're right.
I don't have an opinion.
God has commanded and he has spoken, which is the subtitle of this conference.
What did God say?
Nobody's listening to what God says.
And the gospel is sufficient for everything that ails us, that we think is a problem, that really isn't a problem, for God is not a problem.
But we won't apply the gospel consistently.
So that same man that would argue with me that I don't have an opinion, and I would agree with him, I don't have an opinion.
But God has spoken.
And if God has spoken, we must obey.
And I speak that to the church leaders and those that are, I like what you say, often are the pietists or some of the pietists or would fall into that category because I think they're capitulating and they're slowly caving in.
The foundation is crumbling without the gospel, without the rock of the word.
You either have a house on sand or you have a house built upon a rock.
Amen.
As soon as that guy in the discourse, and Mark chased him down, you guys should have been there.
I wish we, I don't know, we might have it on camera because you have one of your guys with your church recording things.
But Mark chased him down in a respectful and civil way, not nice.
Niceness is not a virtue.
Niceness, often in our culture, it includes deception or cowardice or complicity or apathy.
But there is such a thing as courtesy and civility.
And so Mark chased the guy down with courtesy.
And courage and confronted him because the guy just wanted to make his little remark, right?
His little passive aggressive smart Alec remark and then walk on by.
And Mark was like, no, come talk to me, right?
You said this, let me respond.
I've got to respond to you.
And I thought, you know, so we talked about it immediately afterwards.
I couldn't help myself but tell you my thought that, you know, the Proverbs say, you know, answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes.
And then, you know, it also says, don't answer a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him.
And the reality is there's a place for both positions.
Whoa, the Bible's contradicting itself.
No, the Bible understands that there are a variety of contexts.
So sometimes you don't get down to the fool's level lest you be like him.
You rise above it.
But there are other times where you actually engage the fool with his own fallacy, with his own.
You draw him, you force him to ride that fallacy train all the way to the final destination and see how stupid it is.
That's right.
So he's like, he literally said, the guy said, who are you?
You can't have an opinion because you have a penis.
And this is a white, effeminate, beta male guy walking his two little dogs.
A white dude, right?
And I thought, like, okay, well, it doesn't matter.
Like, what you said is the ultimate truth.
It doesn't matter.
No, I don't have an opinion.
It's the word of God.
White, black, male, female, young, old, doesn't matter.
Applying Theology to Love 00:06:37
It's the word.
It's not an opinion, it's the word.
But there are moments where you can enter into the fallacy, answer the fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes.
And that's one of those examples a moment where it's like, oh, you're saying I can't have an opinion because I'm a male.
Well, let me just check real quick.
Is a white man telling a black man he can't have an opinion?
Because that's your worldview that says that can't happen.
Mine says you actually can do that if you're standing on the word of God.
But you're not.
I am.
Thank you, sir.
Have a nice day.
Repent of your sin.
Well, and he didn't.
What he didn't do is when I was speaking to him, because I'm further down the sidewalk than you guys, when I was speaking to him, he didn't say two words to me.
He was very specific to go to the group and he was going to try to just.
Throw it out there, make himself feel good, and then walk away, and you didn't let him do it.
So it's good.
All right.
I think that's fantastic.
Mark, why don't you have the final word?
Just let people know.
People need to know you here because you're doing a work that's exceedingly rare around the world, period.
I mean, there's not a whole lot of all of Christ for all of life, theology applied, robust, reformed, confessional local churches.
There's not a lot, period.
I am assuming there's probably definitely not a lot in Buffalo, New York.
So let people know they need to find you.
For the few Christians left in Buffalo, New York, they need to be at Mark's church.
Go, go, go.
Not even just in Buffalo, but in this part of Buffalo, right, where there are a lot of churches here, but.
They're dead.
You know, I know you reached out to, I know you will say, but you reached out to, I think, 30 pastors so that, you know, just so they would come or just be involved and none replied to you.
So what you're saying is true, but it's this part of Buffalo is, you know, from what I'm seeing, and it's more dark here.
You know, again, I will never forget that while we are preaching the gospel, just like a 15-second walk away, You have people who are selling drugs there.
Again, right, and they're in between where the gospel is being preached and where there's a memorial for people who were just murdered two months ago.
And yet, you're right here in this side of Buffalo.
So, nothing special.
We're here serving the people of God.
I'm a servant, I'm a bivocational pastor.
I actually work for the city as a police officer of almost 15 years.
And I serve as pastor, and my mission is to again serve people, but not serve people what I want to serve them or what I'm comfortable with serving them or what's popular to serve them or what even tastes good to serve them.
I'm here to serve people the word of God.
I'm bound to that.
That is our mission.
We don't have anything witty, clever, we don't have any new ideas, but just the unashamed, unafraid gospel.
At 299 East Utica in Buffalo, New York, right in the middle of the mess.
We are a confessional church.
We are a reformed and unashamed church where we are proud to uplift the sovereignty of God in all of life and the centrality of his scriptures over all of life, applied to all of life.
And that's what we're doing.
We're here teaching our people to love the Lord our God with all of our heart, soul, mind, and strength, as Joel so wonderfully put the other night.
And we just want to act that out.
We want to walk that out in every part of it.
Wherever it can be applied, it must be applied.
And so these issues that arise, they're not too big for us.
They hurt us.
They cause us to suffer, of course.
And that's what God promised in Christ when He was here.
But there is a remedy, there is an answer.
And if we go outside the answer, it only causes more suffering.
For this Truth Matters Conference, to just spread the love of God, invite the people of God, even the people that don't agree.
Wherever you are, in the city of Buffalo, around the surrounding areas, no matter where it is, we welcome everyone to come and sit under this, not only this conference, but we would love to serve you in our church and serve you, the King of all kings, the Lord of all lords, because he is Lord of all.
Amen.
Mike, Sam, and myself, well, we're here for three days.
But Mark has been here and continues to be here for the long haul.
Churches are few and far between.
Good churches.
It's worth an hour drive.
It's worth making a commitment, inconveniencing yourself a little bit to be a part of a church that doesn't just have robust, orthodox, reformed theology.
There are guys in that camp, you know who I'm talking about, listener, who will take a text, exegete the text, and then sit down.
Mark, what he does is he takes a text, he exegetes the text, and then he applies it to actual, practical elements of our lives.
And he applies it without discrimination.
He applies it to race.
He applies it to abortion.
He applies it to LGBT.
He's going to say, This is the Word of God.
It's not just something that we need to do theological workouts and interpret.
We also need to take the Word of God and apply it.
It's not just the inerrancy of Scripture.
Right now, this moment, evangelicalism has dropped the ball with the sufficiency of Scripture.
We need the Word applied.
And there aren't a lot, there's the Reformed camp, there are a lot of Reformed churches.
There aren't a lot that are applied.
Applying theology applied, and you're one of those guys.
So, if you're in the area, one more time, Mark, the address of your church 299 East Utica Street in Buffalo, New York, right in the heart of the city.
Cool, come, you'll be blessed.
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