Oct. 3, 2024 - America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes
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| They don't know what they are supporting. | ||
| They don't know how bad it has gotten. | ||
| They don't know what is necessary to make the difference. | ||
| They didn't hear us on Twitter. | ||
| They didn't hear us on True Social. | ||
| They just censored the hashtags. | ||
| They didn't hear us when we emailed them. | ||
| And they didn't hear us when the Washington Post and every other news media outlet reported it. | ||
| For that reason, the Goyper War will continue, and we will accelerate and intensify our plans. | ||
| We have to deploy to Michigan, and we have to make it hurt as much as possible. | ||
| If he wants to stop the pain, he must stop the betrayal of America first. | ||
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He must stop the betrayal of America first. | |
| My own narrative is not one of some sudden booming bolt of lightning out of the blue. | ||
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out of the blue. | |
| It was a slow and steady, unrelenting stream of blips and blinks, glimmers and glares, low beams and high beams of light, some of which I did not want to see. | ||
| And then finally, a point of no return reckoning. | ||
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Why are you called Mommy Malcolm? | |
| I think it was because I fiercely came out during the Groupers wars of 2019 when so many of these | ||
| brave young men were on college campuses challenging the likes of Zio Schill, Dan Crenshaw, questioning | ||
| him about his undying loyalty and of course defending Nick Fuentes and so many of the stars | ||
| of the burgeoning America First movement who through an increasing amount of activism are | ||
| really going to ensure the future and the success of that movement. | ||
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So, so, | |
| so, so, | ||
| so, Sorry to keep you waiting, complicated business. | ||
| The following video is a derivative work of the Touhou Project. It may be disrespectful to the characters and | ||
| settings. Please do not imitate. | ||
| The following video is a derivative work of the Touhou Project. It may be disrespectful to the characters and | ||
| settings. Please do not imitate. | ||
| The following video is a derivative work of the Touhou Project. It may be disrespectful to the characters and | ||
| settings. Please do not imitate. | ||
| The following video is a derivative work of the Touhou Project. It may be disrespectful to the characters and | ||
| settings. Please do not imitate. | ||
| Me and the workers will save the Trump campaign! | ||
| We will give a voice to all of the rightful frustrations that the Trump supporters have, whether they're willing to direct their anger at me or at the campaign, and I'll let them know. | ||
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We love Trump. | |
| I love Trump. | ||
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We all love Trump. | |
| And if they don't make the course correction, then it's on them. | ||
| Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American people. | ||
| This election will determine whether we're a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy, but are in fact controlled by a small handful of global special interests rigging the system, and our system is rigged. | ||
| This is reality. | ||
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You know it. | |
| They know it. | ||
| I know it. | ||
| And pretty much the whole world knows it. | ||
| This is not the Trump campaign from 2016. | ||
| It's worse. | ||
| I see this stuff and I have to wonder, why has nobody been fired? | ||
| Isn't that Trump's trademark? | ||
| That if results aren't happening that people are... you're fired? | ||
| Isn't that the whole trademark? | ||
| Someone needs to be fired. | ||
| It happened back in 2016. | ||
| He went through campaign managers and advisors all the time. | ||
| And it was good. | ||
| It kept things fresh. | ||
| It kept things competitive. | ||
| It was interesting. | ||
| Fire Chris LaCivita. | ||
| Fire Susie Wiles. | ||
| Get new campaign managers. | ||
| Fix this campaign before it's too late. | ||
| Before we blow it again. | ||
| We want Trump to win. | ||
| We want America first. | ||
| But you are letting us down. | ||
| You're blowing it. | ||
| This is the biggest missed opportunity in history. | ||
| You're blowing it for Trump. | ||
| You're blowing it for us. | ||
| And we're not going to let it happen. | ||
| You have alienated us. | ||
| You have ignored us. | ||
| You don't listen to our concerns. | ||
| We have been left behind. | ||
| The Trump movement and the GOP have moved on without us. | ||
| It serves Israel and corporations and immigrants, but it doesn't serve Native Americans. | ||
| What about Native Americans? | ||
| I don't want to hear any more about communism. | ||
| I don't want to hear any more about Vance. | ||
| I don't want to hear about whatever. | ||
| And the message is simple. | ||
| America first. | ||
| Native Americans. | ||
| America only. | ||
| No Israel. | ||
| No corporations. | ||
| No foreign influence. | ||
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No foreigners. | |
| No immigrants. | ||
| None of that. | ||
| Just America. | ||
| America first. | ||
| And Christ the King. | ||
| So this is a call to all Christians, immigration restrictionists, foreign policy non-interventionists, trade protectionists, those in favor of industrial policy, patriots, nativists, nationalists, non-interventionists, traditionalists, that are not happy with the State of the Trump campaign, you are being recruited. | ||
| Trump is a peaceful man. | ||
| We're declaring war on the evil Trump campaign. | ||
| He needs to be liberated. | ||
| We will liberate him. | ||
| We will make him independent from his donors. | ||
| We will make him independent from Silicon Valley. | ||
| We will make him independent from foreign influence. | ||
| Otherwise, and if we don't succeed, there's no hope. | ||
| You're done. | ||
| If we don't succeed, if this doesn't work, there's no hope. | ||
| You either get Kamala, and it's total left-wing oppression, it's total bullshit, BLM nonsense, or if you get Trump, it's gonna be total Zionist corporate domination. | ||
| So if we don't succeed, it's over. | ||
| You need to get involved in this, or, honestly, just quit. | ||
| In 2024, we are going to fight the hostile takeover. | ||
| It's a different battle. | ||
| But it's the same war. | ||
| We're going to fight and save Trump from his own people. | ||
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The more that a broken system tells you that you're wrong, the more certain you should | |
| be that you must keep pushing ahead. | ||
| it. | ||
| Because it's the outsiders who change the world and who make a real and lasting difference. | ||
| Nothing worth doing ever came easy. | ||
| Treat the word impossible as nothing more than motivation. | ||
| The future belongs to the people who follow their heart no matter what the critics say. | ||
| We must always remember that we share one home and one glorious destiny. | ||
| We all bleed the same red blood of patriotism. | ||
| We all salute the same great American flag. | ||
| Our best days are yet to come. | ||
| I am officially running for President of the United States. | ||
| We need a leader. | ||
| I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created. | ||
| It can be wonderful if you have smart people. | ||
| But we have people that are stupid. | ||
| The American dream is dead. | ||
| But if I get elected president, I will bring it back. | ||
| Bigger and better and stronger than ever before. | ||
| We want more! We want more! | ||
| The American dream. | ||
| And we will make America great again. | ||
| We will make America great again. | ||
| And we will make America great again. | ||
| We will make America great again. | ||
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We want more! We want more! | |
| We want more! We want more! | ||
| And nobody builds walls better than me, believe me. | ||
| Bigger and better and stronger than ever before. And we will make America great again. | ||
| Thank you. Thank you very much. | ||
| And we will make America great again. | ||
| We will make America great again. | ||
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And we will make America great again. | |
| We will make America great again. | ||
| America great again. | ||
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Great again. | |
| But as soon as people start playing games, I stop. | ||
| I stop playing games. | ||
| And at any moment I | ||
| I I | ||
| I'm on a bowl, yeah, I'm on a bowl, yeah. | ||
| And I wanna roll. | ||
| OK, from there. | ||
| This is my team. | ||
| The code is accurate. | ||
| Don't have your back for nonsense. | ||
| It's different today, but homies know it's still the rules. | ||
| It's one of ten. | ||
| It's ten on the ten. | ||
| Put them in above your head. | ||
| Pray before you go. | ||
| Submit every day. | ||
| My proposal. | ||
| I just enforce that. | ||
| I'm not that. | ||
| I'm not that. | ||
| I ain't no new boy. | ||
| All the bad girls have seen me. | ||
| And I ain't that. | ||
| People talking to my face. | ||
| I'm not that. | ||
| Not my words, not my rules. | ||
| I just enforce them. | ||
| All right? | ||
| They say, cuss no means. | ||
| But I'ma say it. | ||
| I believe no. | ||
| Today was a rough day. | ||
| I'ma say it. | ||
| I believe no. | ||
| Today was a rough day. | ||
| My mama said, trust no old user. | ||
| But I'ma say it. | ||
| Cuss no means. | ||
| But I'ma say it. | ||
| I believe no. | ||
| Today was a rough day. | ||
| Last night was a god. | ||
| I'ma say it. | ||
| It's every night. | ||
| Performing on everybody I'm telling you I'm an AT | ||
| Ready to shit Man we can rage way before the start of kick-off | ||
| If we out today, you know I was just a trick All the dogs had it kicking with the way the fit | ||
| If we laid down, was it the shit? | ||
| If we six, we tight, not upset We can't fuck with the short cut off | ||
| Only drop you, that's way before they drop shadow There's no doubt in my mind | ||
| The way does it say, be patient No one can stop this | ||
| This is the sound of the first pitch We don't say cuss, no bitch | ||
| I'm a hit, I'm a beat, I'm a pain, pause, I'm a gutter I'm a sex, I'm a girl, I'm a fighter | ||
| I'm on the stage, I'm a no-hold, I'm a shooter I'm a hit, I'm a bitch, I'm a hit, I'm a shooter | ||
| I'm a beat, I'm a pain, pause, I'm a gutter I'm a sex, I'm a bitch, I'm a girl, I'm a shooter | ||
| I'm on the stage, I'm a no-hold, I'm a shooter I'm a hit, I'm a bitch, I'm a shooter | ||
| I'm a hit, I'm a bitch, I'm a shooter I'm a hit, I'm a bitch, I'm a shooter | ||
| This is from your biggest Boston fan May you one day see the light | ||
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Well, hey, thanks, love you too, but sorry, I believe in a religion that makes sense, so... Napoleon, Alexander the Great, Donald Trump were all cut from the same cloth, and that cloth is very, very large. | |
| It's not too big, is it? | ||
| It's wrong, isn't it? | ||
| It feels so right. | ||
| for yourself. | ||
| It's wrong, isn't it? | ||
| It feels so right. | ||
| It's a deal? | ||
| I put together some really impressive deals. | ||
| Hmm, I like that. | ||
| Go big or go home. | ||
| Donald Trump. | ||
| You know, you're really beautiful. | ||
| A woman who looks like that has to have an artificial scent. | ||
| Disfidelity. Oh my God! | ||
| Hey, Donald. | ||
| Oh, you're beautiful. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I'm not. I'm told that it's a Swiss Army. | ||
| Listen, are you begging here? | ||
| Huh? | ||
| Are you? | ||
| No, I'm just back from competition. | ||
| Look at this! Right here on the street, it's Donald Trump! | ||
| There you are. | ||
| I'm not! It's him! The star! | ||
| I'm not the rival! | ||
| Everything's set for tonight, Mr. Trump. | ||
| I wonder what Trump's game is this time. | ||
| Trump's got a new day. Trump's got a new deal. | ||
| What's your game, Donald? | ||
| I heard about Trump's new deal! | ||
| Trump has a new game. What is it? | ||
| Mr. Trump, we need you to come out here. | ||
| Mr. Trump, come out here! | ||
| You can't do that, Mr. Trump! | ||
| You can't do that, Mr. Trump! | ||
| We're gonna get you! | ||
| you My new game is Trump. | ||
| The game. | ||
| Trump. | ||
| The game. | ||
| This sounds like political presidential talk. | ||
| You said, though, that if you did run for president, you'd believe you'd win. | ||
| I would like that. | ||
| I would say that I would have a hell of a chance of winning. | ||
| I wouldn't go in to lose. | ||
| I've never gone in to lose in my life. | ||
| I don't know how your audience feels, but I think people are tired of seeing the United States ripped off. | ||
| That's the guy on the floor, right? | ||
| I'm not accepting. I'm not accepting. I wouldn't tell you. | ||
| Okay, kids, make it fast. I've got a plane to catch. | ||
| Can you create a magazine? Mr. Trump, we can do that. Scourge! | ||
| Excuse me, where's the money? | ||
| Down the hall, please. | ||
| Your male modeling would be what it is today. | ||
| Donald Trump, you should probably be realizing your budget. | ||
| Christ, I think he was just about to fight before the fight. | ||
| You've got to be losing money on this. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Dare I say it? | ||
| I am declaring a new DROYFUR war against the Trump campaign until we can figure out what the hell is going on. | ||
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MUSIC I will fight for you with every breath in my body, and I will never, ever let you down. | |
| A new Troyper war. | ||
| Yeah, nigga, it's war, nigga, it's war. | ||
| I'm taking bodies on the floor. | ||
| I'm with it all. | ||
| I talk to my demons, and I see the writings on the wall. | ||
| Niggas is dying when it's over. | ||
| I get excited for them punks. | ||
| And Noah ain't crying when he go. | ||
| Cause Brody was fighting for the cause. | ||
| They don't know what they are supporting. | ||
| They don't know how bad it has gotten. | ||
| They don't know what is necessary to make the difference. | ||
| They didn't hear us on Twitter. | ||
| They didn't hear us on True Social. | ||
| They just censored the hashtags. | ||
| They didn't hear us when we emailed them. | ||
| And they didn't hear us when the Washington Post and every other news media outlet reported it. | ||
| For that reason, the Goyper War will continue. | ||
| And we will accelerate and intensify our plans. | ||
| We have to deploy to Michigan, and we have to make it hurt as much as possible. | ||
| If he wants to stop the pain, he must stop the betrayal of America first. | ||
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He must stop the betrayal of America first. | |
| They've been put on notice. If you fuck around with us, if you do something bad to us, we are going to do things to | ||
| you that have never been done before. | ||
| Don't sit yet, get it like this. | ||
| We're all in this together, we're all in this together, we're all in this together, we're all in this together. | ||
| The Socialists, Globalists, Marxists, Communists who are attacking our civilization have no idea of the sleeping | ||
| giant they have awoken. | ||
| They cannot even begin to imagine the brave and righteous spirit they've unleashed in men and women. | ||
| But they're going to find out the hard way. | ||
| They will find out like never before. | ||
| This nation belongs to you belongs to you. | ||
| You are not a prisoner. | ||
| It was patriots like you that built this country, and it's patriots like you that are going to save our | ||
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country. | |
| To all of those who think that they can coerce and subjugate the citizens of this land, hear these words. | ||
| For me tonight, the people of America will not surrender our borders. | ||
| We will not surrender our culture. | ||
| We will not surrender our faith. | ||
| We will not surrender our values. | ||
| We will not surrender our history. | ||
| We will not surrender our liberty. | ||
| And above all, we will not surrender our children. | ||
| We are done with their distorted visions for America. | ||
| It's time to start talking about greatness for our country again. | ||
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We want our country to be great again. | |
| We want our country to be respected. | ||
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I don't want to see any love in this race. | |
| What's the point of these trials and debates? | ||
| What's the point of dealing with my life without peace? | ||
| What's the point of always going down for a kiss? | ||
| The time for action has come. | ||
| As long as we are led by politicians who will not put America first, | ||
| then we can be assured that other nations will not treat America with respect, | ||
| the respect that we deserve. | ||
| You can't deny the way you waste empathy | ||
| hate love racial bias | ||
| is depressing these drugs are allłe | ||
| promoting arus | ||
| to be more | ||
| acceptable basically | ||
| Vida That's Chris Lassoveda | ||
| Chris Lassovida Chris Lassovida | ||
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| Senior advisors Chris Lassovida and Suzy Wiles should be terminated | ||
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immediately Bad boys, what you gonna do? | |
| You're going home. | ||
| You're going home. | ||
| I'm a bad boy. | ||
| I'm a bad boy. | ||
| The end. | ||
| Oh Oh | ||
| Let me ask you about Project 2025. | ||
| Never heard of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're a pain in the ass. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| By nature, political consultants, we want to control everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We just, we want to control everything, including the candidate. | ||
| Yeah. Where is our Bulldog from 2016? | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| These interests have rigged our political and economic system for their exclusive benefit, because they have total control. | ||
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They pull the strings. | |
| My message is that things have to change, and they have to change right now. | ||
| If you miss this version of Trump, you have his campaign managers Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles to blame. | ||
| LaSevita was found liking posts on Twitter advocating for the 25th Amendment to be invoked and to remove Trump from office on January 6th. | ||
| And Wiles wants Trump to abandon his loyal base in order to pander to minorities who won't turn out to vote for him regardless. | ||
| Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles are responsible for Trump's drastic change in rhetoric and his failure in the polls. | ||
| If you want Trump to win, he must fire these disloyal saboteurs. | ||
| Use the hashtags firelessavida and firewiles to save Trump from these swamp creatures. | ||
| Thank you for watching. If you like this video, please subscribe. | ||
| you I got one too. | ||
| Haha, campaign sucks. | ||
| Yeah, we're coming for you. | ||
| Yo, yo, all you bitches on the campaign, Trump about to lose to an Indian with COVID nuts and you think this a joke? | ||
| Trump just got shot in the ear and you are losing to a cackling thugly woman who speaks in erbonics when she is around minorities. | ||
| Yo, yo, Donald Trump, how pathetic can you be? | ||
| You fired people for a living and now you You used to be the mean god and now you sound like a bitch. | ||
| You are losing this campaign because you staffed it with a bunch of gays. | ||
| Who the hell is running your shit? | ||
| Whoever it is needs to be fired on national TV. | ||
| You look like a straight up bitch and you- Americanism not globalism will be our credo! | ||
| It's going to be only America first. | ||
| America first. | ||
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The American people will come first once again. | |
| With respect, the respect that we deserve. | ||
| From this day forward, it's going to be only America first. | ||
| America First! | ||
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you you | |
| you good evening everybody | ||
| You are watching America First. | ||
| My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes. | ||
| We have a great show for you tonight. | ||
| Very excited to be back here with you tonight on Wednesday. | ||
| We have a lot to talk about, lots to get into. | ||
| Big show. | ||
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Huge show. | |
| So much going on this week, and we're barely even able to get to all of it. | ||
| Tonight, we're going to be talking about the Iranian strikes on Israel, which took place yesterday. | ||
| We should have covered it yesterday, but we had the VP debate. | ||
| Ordinarily, I would cover that. | ||
| It would be a massive show. | ||
| But we had the vice presidential debate last night. | ||
| I was covering that the whole night. | ||
| So tonight, we'll be catching up on the news from yesterday, talking about Iran's missile strike on Israel. | ||
| And allegedly, this is the long-awaited retaliation by Iran for the killing of Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas, back in late July, as well as the Hezbollah commander, Fouad Shouker, in Beirut, which took place the day before that. | ||
| They said at the time that it would be swift and violate all red lines when they retaliated for those assassinations, and it never happened. | ||
| And Iran basically waited until Israel killed the whole leadership of Hezbollah, including its leader, bombed South Lebanon thousands of times, and then initiated a ground invasion before they responded. | ||
| And yesterday's missile strikes, which were 181, according to the United States, ballistic missiles, that was Iran's counterattack. | ||
| That was their reply for those assassinations, specifically of Hania, Nasrallah, and an IRGC general who was killed in the past week. | ||
| So we'll talk about all the details of the strike. | ||
| It's a big deal. | ||
| It's only the second time in history that Iran has directly attacked Israel. | ||
| The other time being its reply in April for Israel's attack on the Iranian consulate in Damascus. | ||
| So it's a huge deal. | ||
| It was a bigger strike with less of a warning. | ||
| And although it didn't kill anybody or do any substantial damage to critical infrastructure, Still a big deal. | ||
| And now we await Israel's response and then whatever Iran will do. | ||
| And we have some news about that as well. | ||
| We'll also be talking tonight about Lebanon. | ||
| Israel's not having such a good time in Lebanon. | ||
| Eight Israeli officers were killed today in fighting along the border with Lebanon during ground operations. | ||
| They were ambushed, according to Hezbollah, and killed inside of a house, and it included the commander of one of Israel's elite special forces units. | ||
| So they're not having such an easy time at the ground operations. | ||
| This is Iran's revenge. | ||
| So, we'll talk about all the developments in the Middle East, so much ground to cover, but of course, I already predicted all of it, so it's kind of like, for us, it's old news, but we'll cover the latest. | ||
| We'll talk a little bit about the vice presidential debate. | ||
| Not a ton, because it really isn't that important, but we'll recap it very briefly. | ||
| I'll just talk about some reflections and some of the reactions to the debate. | ||
| The right wing is gaslighting everybody into thinking that Vance won. | ||
| But I haven't seen any evidence of that. | ||
| Vance's favorables did go up, and according to one poll, he now has a net plus two favorability rating. | ||
| But Wahl's favorability went up even higher, by more, and his favorable numbers are higher. | ||
| And according to various focus groups, Wahl's won the debate. | ||
| So the right wing is telling everybody, Vance ran away with it. | ||
| This is why Trump picked him. | ||
| They're shilling Vance harder than they're shilling Trump. | ||
| Very interesting. | ||
| So we'll cover the debate a little bit, but not a lot. | ||
| Like I said, we'll talk about some of the reaction and the debate itself. | ||
| And that will be our news for the night. | ||
| Before we get into it, I want to remind you to smash the follow button on Rumble, smash the like button, leave a comment. | ||
| Let me know what you think about the show. | ||
| I'm not really reading the comments these days because they're very negative. | ||
| People are getting on my case about being late. | ||
| And then there's just a lot of weird garbage, people spamming the comments, writing essays. | ||
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Nobody wants to see that. | |
| I went in the comments the other day, and people are writing these, like, essays and, like, putting huge quotes. | ||
| Like, why are people leaving that in the comments? | ||
| You think anybody wants to—who's reading this stuff? | ||
| You're here to watch the show, not read essays in the comments section. | ||
| So, anyway. | ||
| So leave a comment, I guess, because it's just good for engagement. | ||
| But let's try to just be a little judicious, okay? | ||
| Also, it's going to be a big night tonight. | ||
| We're going to have a relatively shorter show because in an hour and a half I'm going to be debating this liberal on Aiden Ross's stream over on Kik. | ||
| So it'll be me and this guy Dean Withers. | ||
| He was the liberal teenager from the Jubilee video. | ||
| I can't believe I'm subjecting myself to this. | ||
| Honestly, it's undignified. | ||
| Me, debating some liberal teenager who goes on TikTok and is like, Kamala's the best, Trump sucks. | ||
| It's just like. | ||
| We're just so far past that. | ||
| You know, the dialogue has just evolved beyond, like, partisan conversations about the GOP and the Democrats. | ||
| He wants to debate Trump and Kamala, okay? | ||
| And I'm going to be forced to defend Trump in an ironic twist of fate. | ||
| We're going to be debating Christianity, where he's going to argue about how the Bible has slavery in it. | ||
| Okay, like that hasn't been done before. | ||
| We're going to be debating feminism, LGBT. | ||
| So it's a real blast from the past. | ||
| I was talking to Aiden before the show. | ||
| He's like, tell me what topics you want to do. | ||
| I'm like, I don't even know what to talk about. | ||
| I don't talk to liberals anymore. | ||
| When's the last time I've debated a liberal on anything? | ||
| I'm debating other conservatives. | ||
| We're into like deep politics. | ||
| We're talking about the Talmudic network. | ||
| We're exploring every sect of Judaism. | ||
| We're mapping out Israel's influence network in the United States. | ||
| And then he got to go and debate a liberal teenager about The Democrat president isn't good. | ||
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Like, what are we doing? | |
| But we have to do it. | ||
| We have to throw out. | ||
| It's sort of like when you go to the zoo and the zookeeper goes out and they throw fish to the seals. | ||
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You know, they throw grain to the birds or something. | |
| It's kind of like that. | ||
| No, it'll be good content. | ||
| It'll be good content. | ||
| It'll be fun. | ||
| It'll be exciting. | ||
| I love Aiden. | ||
| Sneeko's gonna be there as well. | ||
| We love Sneeko. | ||
| And it'll be good. | ||
| And get this. | ||
| So if you go on the guy's Twitter, go on the guy's Twitter. | ||
| If you go on the guy's Twitter, who I'm debating, he was supposed to debate Sneeko. | ||
| I guess Sneeko didn't want to do it. | ||
| He said on Twitter, uh, oh, so I have a new opponent and I have this moral obligation to call him out for his worldview. | ||
| And Aiden calls me before I went live and he's like, he, he wants to bring up your past comments. | ||
| And it's like, Oh my God. | ||
| I'm like, honestly, I'm just going into it to have a good time. | ||
| I'm going to win, but I, it's like, I'm really just going into this to have a good time. | ||
| It's just like, so, It's kind of endearing almost. | ||
| It's kind of like that there's like a nostalgia there. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| It's a sentimental sort of, you know, to go into this debate and like some lib shit is going to be like, you said the Taliban is cool. | ||
| You said that Jim Crow wasn't that bad. | ||
| And it's like. | ||
| I remember those days. | ||
| I remember those days. | ||
| What a blast from the past. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| But this is what being mainstream feels like. | ||
| When you're mainstream, you have to debate Trump versus Kamala, and you have to defend yourself about allegations of racism. | ||
| You're going to get a liberal that says, you're racist, and you're like, I know, you know, you're like, I know, right? | ||
| But then you gotta go, no, I'm not. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| Here's why. | ||
| You know, and like, you're going to have this liberal guy's going to be like, women aren't retarded. | ||
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And I'm like, yeah, they are for this reason. | |
| And this reason, and according to a study in 2006. | ||
| Oh, it's so, isn't this so, uh, Parochial, it's so sweet, and it's so adorable. | ||
| And it's cute. | ||
| And it's cutesy, and we love it. | ||
| So it's gonna be a good debate. | ||
| It's gonna start at 10 o'clock Central Time. | ||
| So like I said, shorter show. | ||
| I'm gonna do a monologue. | ||
| The monologue is gonna be long. | ||
| Superchats, I'm gonna have to cut short. | ||
| And then I'm going live on kick for this big debate. | ||
| The great debate. | ||
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The Jubilee team. | |
| That's all it takes these days. | ||
| I look him up. | ||
| He's got like a million followers on TikTok. | ||
| He's made like 30 TikToks. | ||
| How do you have a million followers? | ||
| I'm so old now. | ||
| He was on Jubilee. | ||
| Everyone followed him. | ||
| And it's like, this is just the state of the discourse now. | ||
| You know, it's like various teenagers arguing over which, over whether Republicans or Democrats are better presidents. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And, you know, it's been made this way by piece of shit grifter influencers. | ||
| It's people like Destiny, and it's people like Jack Posobiec, or you know, whatever the equivalent would be on the right. | ||
| They have made it that way where it's like someone turns 18 and if they're politically inclined, they're like, I have to defend Trump, Bush, Reagan, and Dwight Eisenhower. | ||
| You know, or if they're liberal disposition, I have to defend Obama, Biden, Clinton. | ||
| And it's like, why are, why are we doing this? | ||
| Don't we know that Jews run the government now? | ||
| Can we all, can we put our differences aside and just agree Jews run the government? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| So it's gonna be fun. | ||
| I'm so looking forward to it. | ||
| It's gonna be a good time. | ||
| 10 o'clock, and I appreciate Aiden Ross. | ||
| You know, I've known Aiden Ross for a couple years now, ever since I connected with Ye and Aiden Ross was gonna stream with him back when we were doing the campaign. | ||
| I actually like him a lot. | ||
| I think he's a good guy. | ||
| I think he's very funny. | ||
| I think he's got a good heart. | ||
| Obviously, we have very different values and, you know, religions and things like that, but I think he's a good guy. | ||
| I think he's funny. | ||
| I think he means well. | ||
| So... | ||
| So I like him. | ||
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So it's going to be fun. | |
| I like him. | ||
| I like Sneeko. | ||
| They're good dudes. | ||
| They're chillers. | ||
| They're not, you know, they're not like, uh, people are so politically correct. | ||
| They're pretty based in that. | ||
| Even if they're not like super, super conservative, they're pretty based. | ||
| So anyway, so that's a 10 o'clock hour and a half. | ||
| I want to get into the show. | ||
| Cause we don't have a ton of time unless I'm forgetting anything. | ||
| I think that's it. | ||
| Um, So I guess we'll start, we'll recap the vice presidential debate, but not for very long because I do want to cover for the majority of the time. | ||
| I want to get into the Iranian strikes and the war in Lebanon because it's a big deal. | ||
| But just to recap very quickly, of course the strikes happened yesterday. | ||
| We weren't able to cover it because of the VP debate between JD Vance and Tim Walz. | ||
| It was hosted by CBS, I believe. | ||
| You know, my philosophy on presidential debates and elections in general is one, the debates don't matter that much. | ||
| So much is made in politics because it is an industry and the media plays a big role in it about conventions and debates and all this stuff. | ||
| It really doesn't matter that much. | ||
| The conventions don't have an impact. | ||
| The debates don't have an impact. | ||
| The vice presidential debate has, like, no impact. | ||
| That's one. | ||
| Two, when it comes to debates, there is this misconception that you're looking at the overall strength of the performance. | ||
| You're not. | ||
| To the extent that debates have impact, it's all about viral moments. | ||
| That's what it's all about. | ||
| It's all about memorable moments, clips, soundbites, and the general impression that is made, which is really more cosmetic than anything. | ||
| It's pretty superficial. | ||
| And so the technicals, the truth of the answers, the substance, those things don't really matter at all. | ||
| Just the way it is. | ||
| So with all that being said, I don't think there was a clear victor in the debate. | ||
| I think they both did fine. | ||
| I think Walls did fine. | ||
| I think Vance did fine. | ||
| I think that Vance was probably a little bit technically better. | ||
| He was a little slicker, a little bit more articulate, strong command of the facts. | ||
| But I think they're both articulate. | ||
| I think they both had a strong command of the facts or are both confident. | ||
| What people pointed out was two things. | ||
| In terms of the general sense of the debate, the general impression, the two things people pointed out is, one, the faces they were making. | ||
| And Walls had this deer-in-the-headlights look, which just goes to show he's not ready for a national stage. | ||
| And you see this. | ||
| The VP is tapped. | ||
| They don't win intense primary election process. | ||
| And so they get thrust from a statewide to a national stage and they're not ready in terms of retail politics, | ||
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in terms of the look and the feel. | |
| So we look crazy. | ||
| He's going up on stage and he looks like this, look like shit. | ||
| And Vance kept making this face. | ||
| He kept looking at walls and then doing this side eye to the camera. | ||
| Some people thought that was funny. | ||
| Yeah, it was pretty funny. | ||
| you That's one. | ||
| Two, everybody noticed the conciliatory nature of the debate. | ||
| It was very civil. | ||
| They were agreeing with each other for much of the debate, and very agreeable in general. | ||
| It was very polite, and people pointed out that this is a stark contrast with Trump, where all of the debates are vicious, and personal, and ugly, and there's no handshake, and all that kind of stuff. | ||
| And people said, why can't all the debates be like this? | ||
| This is great, and so on. | ||
| Those were like the two general impressions of the debate. | ||
| Outside of that, there weren't any moments. | ||
| And I said, for the Trump-Kamala debate, the moment was cats and dogs. | ||
| The big moment, the big viral clip is when Trump said the Haitians are eating cats and dogs. | ||
| And you could see very clearly or measure impact based on the weight of the clip, because for one week after the debate, That's all anybody was talking about. | ||
| That is what was turned into a song. | ||
| That is what went viral on TikTok and on Twitter. | ||
| And then the issue surrounding it, which is immigration, is what dominated the discourse for a week. | ||
| And every conservative made the pilgrimage to Springfield, Ohio to get the scoop and do their man on the street and all that kind of stuff. | ||
| And it made the Republican issue, immigration, the central issue in the media. | ||
| And the inquiry about what was really going on, and the sensational aspect of it, it made it the center of the conversation. | ||
| And in that sense, it was a remarkable success. | ||
| And that moment is the defining moment of the debate series, and that gives Trump the advantage. | ||
| In this debate, there was no viral moment. | ||
| Neither of them really have a ton of style. | ||
| Neither of them are really that likable or charismatic. | ||
| They're pretty even-tempered and I don't know. | ||
| I don't think either of them left a really strong impression. | ||
| Neither of them really had a moment where they were at a loss for words or there was some catastrophic attack. | ||
| They weren't scoring home runs, in other words, on each other. | ||
| So I think it was basically a nothing. | ||
| I think it was a nothing debate. | ||
| If anything, it gave Vance and Walz an opportunity to introduce themselves to the country. | ||
| And I think Walz is appealing to Democrats, and I think Vance is appealing to Republicans, and I think that's about it. | ||
| And what I said last night, my big takeaway from the whole thing is that In regard to the conciliatory, agreeable tone of the debate, I think it's an enormous tactical mistake for Republicans to think that's a good thing. | ||
| Because let's not forget how we got here. | ||
| How did we get Trump, who is so aggressive according to the media and the left, who is so controversial and polarizing and all that, We got this way because the Democrats and the media demonized half the country. | ||
| That's how we got to Trump. | ||
| We had eight years of Obama. | ||
| Putting his feet on the desk and telling us that we're bitter, clinging to our guns and our Bibles. | ||
| We were subjected to years of being mocked, ridiculed, talked down to, called stupid, regressive, superstitious. | ||
| We were told that The way that our country was is just simply not how things are going to be. | ||
| We're being fundamentally transformed. | ||
| And basically, get with the program or get left behind. | ||
| That was the message of the entire elite in the country, led by the Democrats and the media. | ||
| Trump came on the stage and said a common sense message, which, by the way, the Democrats have adopted a lot of the Trump program with regard to the pivot to China, tariffs, withdrawing from the Middle East and ending those foreign wars, admitting they were a mistake, and even on some level with immigration, with some of these Democratic mayors. | ||
| Even they are saying it's too much under Biden. | ||
| But Trump came down the escalator, said common sense, and if you look at how he sounded back then, he was far more relaxed and I think even tempered and so on. | ||
| But look what happened to him for saying that illegal immigrants were committing rapes, which they were. | ||
| He got attacked in the media. | ||
| Got called a rapist. | ||
| A racist. | ||
| They said Russia stole the election. | ||
| They impeached him twice. | ||
| They investigated him. | ||
| They spied on Trump Tower with the FISA warrant. | ||
| They had the mail-in ballots. | ||
| They sabotaged his administration and Congress and the White House. | ||
| They shot him. | ||
| They charged him. | ||
| Like, this is what happened. | ||
| They censored all Republicans. | ||
| They beat the shit out of people wearing MAGA hats. | ||
| Called them extremists. | ||
| Like, so... | ||
| We're at this point now, 10 years into the Trump revolution, which is really an answer. | ||
| It's the antithesis of this new progressive left-wing consensus. | ||
| And now that we're kind of on the other side, where Trump was the answer to the excesses and the hubris. | ||
| Of the left. | ||
| And now you get Vance and Walz, who are kind of insulated in the second tier slot under Trump and Kamala, where the culture war is still raging. | ||
| And it's two white guys who are basically selected to appeal to white, culturally conservative voters in the Rust Belt. | ||
| And they agree on everything. | ||
| And people go, wow, why can't things be like this all the time? | ||
| And that's like a rhetorical question, but it's like, I'll tell you why. | ||
| It can't be like that all the time, because if Vance were at the top of the ticket, and even as the vice president at the second tier slot on the ticket, they would roast him for being a, and they have, for being weird, a creep, a sexist, a racist, all the above. | ||
| And if he were at the top of the ticket, they would be investigating him, they'd be trying to shoot him, they'd be doing all these kinds of things. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| That's why it can't be civil. | ||
| That's why there has to be mean tweets. | ||
| That's why we have to be provocative. | ||
| Because it's a fight. | ||
| And it's easy to forget sometimes that it is a fight. | ||
| Because this is what the enemy always does. | ||
| When they're winning, they press the advantage. | ||
| When they're winning, they're holding you by the hair and slitting your throat. | ||
| They're cutting your face off. | ||
| They're putting your head on a pike and putting that outside the city walls as a message to anybody. | ||
| They're nailing you to a cross. | ||
| When they have the advantage, they're ruthless. | ||
| When you're fighting back and you're winning. | ||
| When you're fighting back and you're controlling the frame and the conservative cultural message is becoming more popular and arguably winning. | ||
| Well, then they want to say, hey, why can't we all just be friends? | ||
| Why can't it always just be this friendly? | ||
| Because you're shooting at us, because you banned us from Twitter, because you charged the president, because, you know, for years, family members and friends excommunicated us because of who we were voting for, because we weren't down with every new iteration of Gay, trans, black, immigrant, refugee, this and that. | ||
| Like, we all know how it got here, but it seems like sometimes we forget. | ||
| And by the way, I will add this. | ||
| So that's in regard to the conciliatory nature. | ||
| I think it's a big mistake to drop our offensive position and just say, hey, let's go back to being friendly. | ||
| Here's something else. | ||
| If it gets too civil, which means that Republicans are dropping their attack and basically in a way surrendering or appeasing or conceding, we kind of lose that 10 out of 10 times. | ||
| Because if it were vans and walls at the top of the ticket, not only is there this tremendous hostility from the left, but the left controls all the institutions. | ||
| So it's easy to say, well, Vance is so articulate and so well-spoken, like he should be the model of what we should have in the GOP. | ||
| If he were at the top of the ticket doing these interviews, running for president, and so on, It would not be a cakewalk. | ||
| They would be vilifying him. | ||
| They would be demonizing him. | ||
| And they would be defining him inside of an information ecosystem that is already colored by a left-wing worldview. | ||
| You can't easily sidestep that he doesn't believe in climate change. | ||
| You can't easily sidestep that he's a Catholic that's pro-life. | ||
| You can't easily sidestep that he doesn't believe we should take all the guns. | ||
| If he were under the same pressure as Trump. | ||
| And that's kind of what he was allowed to get away with in the debate last night. | ||
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| This is part of this attitude which has been building in the right for a long time, which is to look at Trump, who is kind of like damaged goods, and say, Trump is this, in a way, his brand is a liability, and people blame him for it. | ||
| They say, Trump has this liability, he mobilizes the opposition, he has all these criminal charges and so on, And they blame him for it. | ||
| They say the reason Trump has all this baggage is because of mistakes he made. | ||
| And that's an error. | ||
| That's incorrect. | ||
| The reason that Trump has all the baggage is because Trump is a fighter who won fights. | ||
| Trump fought Controlled the frame, won the argument, won the election, mobilized the right wing, created an alternative vision, created a movement, and as such, he has been systematically targeted by the establishment. | ||
| And the baggage comes from that. | ||
| It comes from the fight. | ||
| In other words, if you go to war, and you go into the battlefield, and you win a bunch of military victories, | ||
| and then the other side tries to assassinate you, or they call you names, or maybe a bomb blows up | ||
| and you lose your arms and legs, and people look at you as a nugget, | ||
| people look at you as a quadriplegic, and they go, well, maybe if this guy was a little bit nicer, | ||
| he would still have his arms and legs. | ||
| You'd say, no, he lost his arms and legs because he went into battle and survived. | ||
| There's like a survivorship bias thing. | ||
| All these things have happened because he went in, fought, and survived, | ||
| not because of any mistake he made. | ||
| As a matter of fact, the people that don't survive, or the people that haven't been maimed, they either lost, or they never fought. | ||
| If you have no baggage, it means you didn't fight, or it means you're not in the conversation because your political career was ended because you never succeeded. | ||
| And so Trump is the product of 10 years of fighting and surviving. | ||
| And there's this attitude in the right, they say, if only we can get past Trump, or if only we could remedy the things we don't like about Trump. | ||
| And you call this Trumpism without Trump. | ||
| They say if only we could have Trump's policies without his personality or his baggage or who he is, then everything would be fine. | ||
| And that's wrong because if you had a fighter and a winner who is based, who is correct, who is right wing, they would undergo all the same trials. | ||
| And the difference is nobody is as strong as Trump. | ||
| Nobody has the instincts that Trump has. | ||
| Nobody has been a winning fighter like Trump has that kind of toughness for so long. | ||
| So people look at DeSantis. | ||
| People look advanced and they say, this is so appealing because they're lowering the temperature and they don't bring all of this polarization and controversy. | ||
| It's the wrong mindset. | ||
| If there's no fire, if there's no energy, if there's no, if you don't have scars and battle wounds, it means you're not really fighting. | ||
| And it means you're not really winning, and you're not really surviving. | ||
| So, the whole notion presented by that, I reject it completely. | ||
| It should be ugly. | ||
| It should be vicious. | ||
| Because the country is being murdered right now. | ||
| And you can't look across the aisle at the Democrats who brought in 10 million illegals in four years and say, well, you know, we basically agree. | ||
| It's like, no, we don't. | ||
| They're raping our country. | ||
| They hate who we are. | ||
| They don't believe in God. | ||
| I mean, it's like a despicable, disgusting, on the other side to have this mixed, blended family. | ||
| You know, they're bringing in all these immigrants. | ||
| We're at war with everybody. | ||
| They're shamelessly changing their policies, selling out to the highest bidder. | ||
| Like, yeah, you actually can't really co-sign that. | ||
| And I would argue even the same thing on the right. | ||
| You have people like these Zionists that they would sell our country out in an instant for Israel. | ||
| Can we really look at people like that and say, Oh, well, hey, man, we might disagree on some things, but put her there. | ||
| It's like, no, fuck those people. | ||
| Fuck these people bringing in Haitians to our neighborhoods, killing our kids, and they're emboldened. | ||
| I've had multiple people tell me, people that visited Springfield, Ohio, that the Haitians there, they walk around with their chest puffed out. | ||
| They think they own the place. | ||
| They walk around like these are our streets now. | ||
| They menace the journalists that came to investigate what's going on over there. | ||
| The Haitians are menacing them. | ||
| And they walk around with their fucking lizards on leashes, and they're eating cats and dogs, and they think they own the place. | ||
| And they hate us. | ||
| And they, you know, they're foreigners. | ||
| They're fucking stupid. | ||
| And they come here and they walk around like they own the place. | ||
| Democrats are bringing them in. | ||
| I don't care if you slap the facade of Coach Walls on all of that. | ||
| He's a hunter. | ||
| He coached a football team. | ||
| Fuck that piece of shit. | ||
| They're bringing in these people that are raping our country to death. | ||
| Fuck them. | ||
| Don't shake their hands. | ||
| Don't be nice to them. | ||
| Don't be saying, oh, we agree on a whole lot of things. | ||
| That's why I prefer Trump. | ||
| killing our country. | ||
| So you know, they want to turn the temperature down. | ||
| That's when you turn the temperature up. | ||
| That's when you press the advantage. | ||
| So that's why I prefer Trump. | ||
| That's why I prefer Trump's performance when Trump got up and said they're bringing cats | ||
| and dogs or they're eating cats and dogs and they're rapists. | ||
| We need that kind of rhetoric. | ||
| We need that intensity. | ||
| We need a light, a fire in the hearts of our own people to get serious about winning this war, because the stakes are super high. | ||
| It is irreconcilable differences, and we have to win. | ||
| Like, failure is not an option, or our race goes away. | ||
| So... | ||
| All these people in the TikTok comments saying, man, I wish all debates could be like this. | ||
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| So we could be civil and polite while the rigged media and the rigged political system, which did steal the election, can put in place these corporate cronies that are going to bring in an army of non-white immigrants? | ||
| And we're just going to be polite about that? | ||
| Well, if we lose, we're going to put her there and go home and Like, yeah, I don't, no, I don't think so. | ||
| They did overthrow Trump. | ||
| They did fake the election. | ||
| They did bring in 10 million illegals. | ||
| They did send all our money overseas. | ||
| They are owned by foreign governments. | ||
| Fuck them! | ||
| Like, I'm sorry. | ||
| I don't care if you're a nice guy. | ||
| Aw, shucks. | ||
| They don't see us that way. | ||
| So anyway, so that's my position on the VP debate. | ||
| I want to move on. | ||
| I want to talk about the Iran strikes because we're already kind of running out of time here. | ||
| I want to make sure I get done within an hour so we could get on to our debate on Aidan Ross's stream. | ||
| So the big story tonight is about Iran's strike on Israel, which took place yesterday. | ||
| And so just to get into what happened yesterday, I'll read this story here from the New York Times. | ||
| It says, quote, media reports say Iran fired at least 180 ballistic missiles at Israel. | ||
| The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps has claimed that 90% of the missiles hit their targets, although Israel claims that most were intercepted. | ||
| Iran's Revolutionary Guard said the assault was retribution for the recent assassinations of leaders of Hezbollah and Hamas. | ||
| Iran's top military officer said the missiles were aimed at three military bases and the headquarters of Israel's Mossad intelligence service. | ||
| Video verified by the New York Times showed dozens of missiles exploding in different parts of Israel on Tuesday, including about a quarter mile from the Mossad headquarters. | ||
| Israel's military said an air force base sustained a few hits, but essential infrastructure had been spared. | ||
| Iran signaled that it is done attacking Israel but warned there would be a crushing response if Israel hits back. | ||
| Israeli officials have made clear that they plan to respond. | ||
| So, let's get into some more detail about the strikes. | ||
| So, the strikes that occurred yesterday were in retaliation for a series of assassinations. | ||
| Iran launched- Iran claims it was 400. | ||
| Israel says it was 181. | ||
| So there's a disagreement there. | ||
| We don't really know. | ||
| Iran says they launched 400 ballistic missiles at Israel. | ||
| At three military sites, as well as the Mossad headquarters, Iran says 90% of the missiles hit their target. | ||
| Israel says that almost none of them even landed. | ||
| Israel says that they, in conjunction with the United States and Jordan, intercepted almost all the missiles. | ||
| Iran said it was effective. | ||
| Iran says that they did damage on the military infrastructure. | ||
| Israel says there was hardly any damage at all. | ||
| And so, differences aside, let's talk about the strike itself. | ||
| So the Iranian Revolutionary Guard said that this strike was in response to the killing of an Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps general In the past week, in response to the killing of Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, on Friday, and the killing of Ismail Haniyeh, the political leader of Hamas, in late July. | ||
| And so they say, in other words, that this is a long time coming. | ||
| This goes all the way back to July. | ||
| And they say that it's not a gesture, it's not deterrence, it's a counterattack. | ||
| And let's talk also a little bit about the means with which they carried out the attack. | ||
| This attack was comprised 100% of ballistic missiles. | ||
| Iran claims they're hypersonic ballistic missiles. | ||
| It's the first time they're using them against Israel. | ||
| A lot of people say, well, why didn't Israel just shoot them down with the Iron Dome? | ||
| Israel has a few different anti-missile systems. | ||
| They have Arrow 3, David's Sling, and Iron Dome. | ||
| Misconception about Iron Dome is that it's only intended for slower moving rockets which are coming from Iraq or Lebanon launched by Shiite militias there. | ||
| Hezbollah in Iraq, Popular Immobilization Forces, or Hezbollah in Lebanon. | ||
| Iron Dome would not be used against ballistic missiles. | ||
| They say it was probably Arrow 3, maybe David's Sling, and it was significantly less effective because ballistic missiles travel faster. | ||
| So this is the second time Iran has hit Israel. | ||
| The first time back in April, Iran sent suicide drones in combination with crews and ballistic missiles. | ||
| The reason this matters is because drones take about six hours to get from Iran to Israel. | ||
| And that means that there's a warning time. | ||
| So back in April when Iran struck Israel with drones and missiles, they gave two weeks of lead time, they warned Western officials it was coming, and they started the salvo with drones, meaning that Israel could see them coming and they could coordinate their defense and they could shoot them down more easily. | ||
| Then the ballistic and cruise missiles came later. | ||
| And the reason why they did that in April is because they wanted Israel to shoot them all down. | ||
| They told Israel when and where the projectiles would land, and they started with the drones first so that Israel could be more successful in intercepting them. | ||
| And he might say, well, why would Iran want Israel to foil its attack? | ||
| Because if Iran hit all its targets in April and damaged critical infrastructure or killed people, it would escalate the conflict and Israel would be forced to attack Iran directly, which Iran did not want. | ||
| Iran wanted to maintain deterrence, meaning that if Iran gets hit, Iran hits back. | ||
| But they wanted to do that without forcing Israel to counter-counterattack and instigate a tit-for-tat series of reprisals. | ||
| This time, Iran hit with ballistic missiles only, which take 12 minutes rather than 6 hours. | ||
| It takes 12 minutes for one of these hypersonic ballistic missiles to go from Iran to Israel, compared to six hours with a suicide drone. | ||
| This time, they didn't give Western officials a lot of notice. | ||
| They told Switzerland, and so they gave some notice, but not a ton. | ||
| And the purpose was so that the missiles would actually break through the anti-missile defensive shield, which they did. | ||
| And I believe Hezbollah Rather, Iran, who says that 90% of the missiles hit their targets. | ||
| Case in point, today Israel obfuscated the satellite imagery of their military bases using digitally created clouds to hide the damage that was done to the bases. | ||
| So clearly, damage did occur, meaning the missiles hit their targets, meaning they penetrated the shield. | ||
| Here's something that matters, though, about the way in which they hit the targets. | ||
| Israel says that although some of their infrastructure was hit, they said the critical infrastructure, essential infrastructure, was undamaged. | ||
| And so what Iran did with the strikes is, for example, in the case of the Mossad base, they hit within a quarter of a mile of the actual base. | ||
| They didn't actually hit the base directly. | ||
| The reason they did that is because, once again, Like back in April, if the projectiles landed, it might | ||
| invite Israel to respond. | ||
| So Iran allowed Israel to intercept them. This time, Iran did not give enough time or information | ||
| for Israel and the United States to intercept the missiles. | ||
| But when the missiles landed, they landed with precision very near to critical | ||
| infrastructure, but not actually damaging critical infrastructure. | ||
| They did hit three key military bases and the Mossad headquarters, but not in the places and the facilities that actually matter. | ||
| So you might say, well, why would they actually land but not hit the critical parts? | ||
| of the bases or the Mossad headquarters. | ||
| Because this time, they wanted to demonstrate that their missiles can pierce the shield, that Iran could send 100 missiles every hour for 96 hours, and if they gave no warning, they would pierce the shield and they would hit with precision. | ||
| And the message is thus, if you mess with us, we can hit you, we can break your defensive shield, we can hit you with precision, we could do a lot of damage, and we could sustain the barrage for a long period of time. | ||
| And if we so chose, we could hit your Air Force runways so your fighters have nowhere to land after they strike Iran and Syria. | ||
| We could hit your electrical grid, which would set you back years. | ||
| You couldn't be electrified for two years if we took down your electrical grid. | ||
| We could hit Dimona in southern Israel and create a nuclear catastrophe. | ||
| That was the message. So the projectiles landed, they hit bases, but not the critical parts, | ||
| and that was to demonstrate precision and penetration. And that's what they did in this | ||
| round of attacks. That's actually the nature of the attack itself. And like I said, they did it | ||
| in response to this huge escalation against Hezbollah in Lebanon, which Israel has initiated | ||
| in the past couple of weeks. | ||
| And like I said, this is a long time overdue. | ||
| So, the other major Iranian strike against Israel took place in April. | ||
| In April, April 1st, Israel attacked the Iranian consulate building in Damascus, Syria. | ||
| They killed seven Iranian Revolutionary Guard generals. | ||
| It's a major diplomatic faux pas. | ||
| It's like a crime. | ||
| You cannot bomb embassies. | ||
| You cannot bomb consulates. | ||
| They're considered off-limits in terms of the laws of war and the foundational international conventions which created the UN and everything like that. | ||
| So Israel bombed Iran's consulate in Damascus, killed some high-ranking generals. | ||
| Two weeks later, like I said, Iran bombed Israel. | ||
| And this has been a part of a pattern where Israel does these very provocative actions. | ||
| They know it demands a response. | ||
| Because consider, Israel carries out airstrikes in Syria and Lebanon and Iraq and Yemen these days with regularity. | ||
| And they're deadly. | ||
| And they're frequent. | ||
| What Israel has been doing is carrying out very, in their nature, provocative types of attacks. | ||
| They sponsored a terrorist attack in January in Iran on the anniversary of the death of Soleimani. | ||
| They bombed a consulate in Syria, killing Iranian Revolutionary Guard generals. | ||
| And then back in July, they killed a commander of Hezbollah in Beirut. | ||
| And the day after, they killed the political leader of Hamas in Iran's capital in Tehran. | ||
| But they didn't just kill a guest. | ||
| Arguably a head of government inside of Iran's capital, but they did it on the inauguration day of Iran's new president, after their previous president died in a helicopter crash earlier in the year. | ||
| It's an extremely provocative move. | ||
| And what Iran has been doing all year with these provocative types of attacks, which demand Iran to retaliate, is they're inviting Iran to attack them. | ||
| Because Israel wants a direct confrontation with Iran. | ||
| Israel has been fighting Iran's proxies like Hamas, Hezbollah, popular mobilization forces in Iraq, the Houthis in Yemen. | ||
| But Israel wants to fight Iran directly. | ||
| More specifically, they want Iran to attack Israel. | ||
| And they want Iran to attack Israel because that gives Israel an excuse to bomb Iran. | ||
| And you might say, well, why wouldn't Israel just bomb Iran anyway? | ||
| Israel needs the United States to support them bombing Iran. | ||
| Iran is very far away from Israel. | ||
| And so although Israel theoretically has the capability with modern fighters to strike deep into Iranian territory, they would need political assent and maybe logistical support from the United States to carry out comprehensive strikes on Iran's oil and gas or nuclear facilities. | ||
| They need permission and they need support. | ||
| And the United States does not want a confrontation or regime change with Iran, so the United States is reluctant to give them that permission and that support. | ||
| So Israel has undertaken a very obvious, very deliberate policy of antagonizing Iran, daring them to attack them in order to draw Iran into a direct conflict. | ||
| And in the event that Israel and Iran are routinely and directly fighting, the odds of the United States intervening directly or backing Israel bombing Iran goes up. | ||
| And so, for example, when there was a terrorist attack in January in Iran on the anniversary of Soleimani's death, Iran Couldn't blame Israel. | ||
| The United States reassured the world Israel wasn't responsible. | ||
| They blamed it on ISIS. | ||
| But Iran retaliated in a very telling way by bombing a Mossad base in Syria. | ||
| They bombed ISIS in Syria. | ||
| They bombed a Mossad base in northern Iraq, in Iraqi Kurdistan. | ||
| And they bombed an Israeli-backed Balochistan separatist group in southwestern Pakistan. | ||
| Then in April, Israel bombed the consulate building. | ||
| The United States intervened. | ||
| They deployed assets to the region to prevent Iran from retaliating. | ||
| And Iran did a highly telegraphed attack that did no damage to Israel. | ||
| They were able to save face while also reestablishing deterrence. | ||
| And then the United States convinced Israel not to reply. | ||
| But this is where things changed. | ||
| In July, Israel killed the high-ranking Hezbollah general in Beirut. | ||
| Then they went and killed the leader of Hamas in Tehran. | ||
| And that had two purposes. | ||
| One, it derailed the ceasefire talks for Gaza. | ||
| But two, it dared Iran to retaliate because it embarrassed them, it provoked them, and it directly attacked them. | ||
| Iran said after those strikes that they would reply swiftly, quickly. | ||
| They said that their attack would cross all red lines and may risk a war with Israel. | ||
| And it never occurred. | ||
| Iran said they were going to hit Israel back hard, quickly, and they said knowingly, we're going to cross Israel's red lines and it may risk a war, but we don't care. | ||
| It was in that moment that the United States deployed two dozen warships, including two aircraft carriers, to the Middle East. | ||
| And the United States basically said, if you cross Israel's red lines, if you bomb Israel in such a way that it would do real damage and invite a real war between Israel and Iran, then we will intervene on the side of Israel and we will bomb you. | ||
| We will bomb Iran. | ||
| So Iran, in the face of the deterrent threat from the United States, declined to respond. | ||
| But there was also another reason that Iran didn't reply. | ||
| At that time, Israel was escalating its attacks on Hezbollah in Lebanon, and Hezbollah is a key part of Iran's forces in the region. | ||
| Iran, like I said, is very far away from Israel, and the only way that Iran can touch Israel is with long-range missiles, which they don't have a ton of, and which Israel and the United States and Arab partners are able to shoot down and intercept some of those. | ||
| So Iran is sort of at a disadvantage when it fights Israel because it is so far away. | ||
| So what Iran relies upon to fight Israel or to pressure Israel are its proxies, who are far closer. | ||
| Hezbollah is on its border, its northern border, in Lebanon. | ||
| And Hezbollah has 100,000 fighters, 150,000 cheap short-range rockets that are very easy | ||
| to produce and very inexpensive and which they can lob over and create pressure on the | ||
| Israeli armed forces, especially as they're trying to fight in Gaza. | ||
| So when Israel was ratcheting up its fighting against Hezbollah in Lebanon, the United States gave an assurance to Iran and said, if you don't retaliate against those assassinations in late July, then we will bring Israel to the table and get them to agree to a ceasefire. | ||
| We will stop Israel's fighting with Hezbollah and we'll stop Israel's fighting in Gaza. | ||
| And it was for those two reasons that Iran did not retaliate. | ||
| The January terrorist attack, Iran retaliated and re-established deterrence. | ||
| In April, when Israel carried out their attack on the embassy, Iran escalated their reprisal and re-established deterrence. | ||
| In late July, when Israel carried out its most provocative, audacious strike to date, Iran was ready to once again escalate and deliver the biggest counterattack yet. | ||
| But they were forced out of it for two reasons. | ||
| The deterrent threat from an unprecedented number of US warships in the region and a commitment from the Biden administration that they would get Israel to stop their fight with Hezbollah and to create a ceasefire in Gaza. | ||
| And Iran agreed. | ||
| So the whole month of August went by. | ||
| The whole month of September went by, and even though Iran said they would retaliate, they didn't. | ||
| And they kept saying they would retaliate, and they kept saying, well, you know, maybe making Israel wait is the punishment. | ||
| And they were pressed, and they said, well, we'll retaliate eventually, but it didn't happen. | ||
| So Israel took that as a sign of weakness. | ||
| They said if we're able to bomb and assassinate the leader of Hamas in Iran's capital on Inauguration Day, and they don't counterattack, they said we can get away with anything. | ||
| So, two weeks ago, Israel dramatically escalated their fighting against Hezbollah in Lebanon. | ||
| First with the Pager attack, then the second cyber attack the following day. | ||
| They started doing far more airstrikes, including not only in South Lebanon, but in the suburbs of Beirut. | ||
| They assassinated the entire leadership of Hezbollah, including the leader, Hassan Nasrallah. | ||
| And then, on Monday, Israel invaded Lebanon. | ||
| And not only did Israel invade Lebanon, but they did so at the behest of the United States. | ||
| It was confirmed by Politico today that the Biden administration, specifically the two shadow advisors running Middle East policy, which are Brett McGurk and Amos Hochstein, with the approval of the United States, Israel invaded Lebanon. | ||
| And Iran said, OK. | ||
| So the United States comes in and says, if we don't counterattack, then we'll convince Israel to stop the war. | ||
| Come to find out, two months later, Iran held up their end of the bargain. | ||
| But the United States is encouraging Israel to escalate. | ||
| They're not only not bringing Israel to the table for a ceasefire, but they're encouraging Israel to escalate. | ||
| So Iran finally had enough, and then yesterday delivered the long-awaited, and in my opinion, overdue reprisal by bombing Israel, although not dealing any significant damage. | ||
| And give me one second, Sneko's texting me. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They said 11 or 10 o'clock. | ||
| Now they're texting me at 9. | ||
| Hey, I'm doing my show. | ||
| Give me... | ||
| You gotta love that shit, right? | ||
| They said, uh... I'm trying, I'm delivering an all-time monologue on this regional war with all these pieces and I got Sneeko texting me, yo, what's your discord? | ||
| We said 10. | ||
| We said 10 Central Time, 11 Eastern Time. | ||
| Anyway, he says no problem, okay. | ||
| So anyway, so finally Iran retaliated yesterday. | ||
| And by the way, what you heard in the media, what you heard in the Israel-controlled Zionist media, is that Iran attacked Israel. | ||
| You hear the number one state sponsor of terrorism attacked Israel and pray for Israel and we back Israel in the battle of good versus evil. | ||
| But it's like, hang on a second. | ||
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Iran is defending itself. | |
| Israel committed acts of terrorism inside Iran's capital. | ||
| They killed the civilian leader of a foreign government. | ||
| What is, you know, de facto. | ||
| They're giving their inaugural address In Washington, on Capitol Hill, in front of everybody. | ||
| Imagine if a building in Washington, D.C. | ||
| exploded, and a foreign head of state that was visiting our country died. | ||
| Like, let's say the president of Taiwan was in the United States, in D.C., on Inauguration Day, and China blew up his hotel while the inaugural address was being given. | ||
| Can you imagine any scenario where the United States doesn't counterattack? | ||
| Can you imagine any scenario where the United States doesn't retaliate? | ||
| And would the United States be within its rights if we're being reasonable to do so? | ||
| Of course we would. | ||
| There's no scenario where we wouldn't retaliate. | ||
| And of course we'd be within our rights. | ||
| We'd be defending ourselves. | ||
| But according to the media, if we retaliated, we'd be attacking. | ||
| We'd be aggressive. | ||
| But that's exactly what happened with Iran. | ||
| And the reason they didn't, in addition to the two aircraft carriers off their coast, is that the United States committed that if they didn't reply, they would make peace in Gaza, which is directly connected to the fighting in Lebanon. | ||
| And not only did they break their promise on that, but they did the exact opposite. | ||
| They encouraged Israel to assassinate the leadership of Hezbollah and then to invade. | ||
| So, you know, when we're talking about geopolitics, these concepts like who's right and what's fair, they kind of go out the window, but it is worth saying that Iran, contrary to its caricaturization in the media, it's not an irrational state. | ||
| People say it's a terror state run by religious fanatics. | ||
| It's really not. | ||
| Would suicidal religious fanatics, religious zealots, who are completely irrational, who seek only the death of Israel at any cost, even of the existence of their own country, would they allow their ally to get killed on their soil and then take it on the chin? | ||
| And then, when they were backstabbed and the United States does the opposite and they're under attack again, would they conduct an attack that doesn't kill anybody deliberately? | ||
| That would be like the worst suicidal, irrational, religious zealot state ever. | ||
| They do a counterattack that is telegraphed and nearly misses all the critical infrastructure to merely send a diplomatic message? | ||
| I don't know about you, but that sounds like a rational calculation. | ||
| That sounds like an extremely calibrated, rational, measured response in a very tricky diplomatic situation between two rational states. | ||
| Arguably one, although it's not the one you think. | ||
| So that's what took place The other day. | ||
| Now here's the reaction. | ||
| So Israel has said that they are going to they're going to follow through with a crushing counterattack. | ||
| And that is really the big question. | ||
| So Israel killed all these leaders. | ||
| They killed the leader of Hamas in Tehran in late July. | ||
| They killed the leader of Hezbollah on Friday. | ||
| They killed an IRGC commander in the past week. | ||
| They invaded Lebanon. | ||
| Iran bombed Israel, killed nobody, arguably 181 to 400 ballistic missiles. | ||
| Now the question is, what will Israel do in response? | ||
| And there's a menu of options. | ||
| And the menu of options, to be general about it, are, are they going to hit Iran or not? | ||
| Those are the two big categories. | ||
| How will Israel retaliate against Iran? | ||
| Will they attack Iran itself or will they attack Iran's proxies in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Yemen? | ||
| And then within those, there are questions. | ||
| If they are going to attack Iran, how will they attack Iran and where? | ||
| Will they attack Iran's nuclear complex? | ||
| Iran has a civilian nuclear program, which could be converted into a weapons program. | ||
| It comprises five major cities, and it's spread out over the country. | ||
| You've got Natanz, Iraq, Bashir. | ||
| Isfahan and Fordow. | ||
| And some of those are more easily targeted than others. | ||
| Some of them are deep inside the mountains and deep underground. | ||
| They would require bunker-busting bombs, huge munitions to penetrate deep beneath the surface. | ||
| It would be a very dramatic attack. | ||
| And it would hit at one of Iran's strategic capabilities, which is its ability to create enriched uranium, uranium enrichment and other things. | ||
| So do they hit Iran's nuclear complex and destroy that strategic capability? | ||
| That would be the most dramatic option. | ||
| Option two is does Israel hit Iran's oil and gas refineries? | ||
| Do they hit the island in the Persian Gulf? | ||
| They're calling it, I think it's Karg Island, which is where 90% of Iran's oil is exported through. | ||
| Do they hit Iran's oil and gas refineries on the coast of the Persian Gulf? | ||
| Do they close the Strait of Hormuz from which that oil flows out into the Indian Ocean and the Gulf of Oman? | ||
| And in doing so, by damaging Iran's oil and gas facilities, cripple what amounts to 70% of Iran's government revenue and destroy their economy. | ||
| Those would be the two big strategic targets inside of Iran, the nuclear complex and the oil and gas. | ||
| The nuclear complex would, again, set back their major strategic capability, which is really the center of the politics of Iran for 20 years. | ||
| Or do they hit oil and gas and cripple their economy, which also has a strategic impact? | ||
| If they don't hit Iran, then it would have to be a very intense bombing of its proxies because Israel already bombs Iran's proxies. | ||
| Israel's carried out airstrikes in Damascus the past two days. | ||
| Thousands of airstrikes in southern Lebanon and inside of downtown Beirut, the city center of Beirut in the past day, which they don't normally do. | ||
| Carrying out strikes in the suburbs of Beirut and Dahiya. | ||
| Carried out a second strike at the port of Hodeidah in Yemen recently. | ||
| So Israel's been carrying out strikes against the proxies. | ||
| If it was limited only to the proxies, it would have to be a very intense and big and thorough attack to send a message. | ||
| So the Biden administration said today that they will not support an attack on Iran's nuclear complex. | ||
| And Israel has said they're not going to attack Iran's nuclear complex. | ||
| Biden said they won't directly participate in the retaliation against Iran, | ||
| but they'll support it in other ways. And the G7 is applying new sanctions to Iran. | ||
| Israel says that they will be striking Iran's proxies, most likely in Syria, | ||
| at least, and Lebanon. And so this is what, this is the our emerging picture of what the strikes will | ||
| look like. | ||
| It's most likely a very big attack on the proxies, maybe in Syria, maybe in Yemen, maybe somehow a major escalation in Lebanon, and perhaps not a direct airstrike on Iran. | ||
| Although I don't think it's totally outside the question. | ||
| But if it does occur, it won't be the nuclear complex. | ||
| And the question after that, of course, is will Iran retaliate against Israel for those strikes? | ||
| If Israel attacks Iran directly, I think it's a guarantee. | ||
| If Israel attacks Iran's oil and gas, then Iran almost certainly will counterattack, and they will have to escalate, which means their missiles will have to hit their targets, which imperils Israel. | ||
| And so the very, if it's a given, that in the scenario where Iran is hit directly, its strategic oil and gas is hit, that Iran will bomb Israel's critical infrastructure and hit the targets, and if that imperils Israel, it guarantees that the United States would have to step in. | ||
| Because the United States, although it isn't a treaty ally of Israel, will not allow Israel to be imperiled as a state. | ||
| So it almost certainly guarantees that the United States would get involved in the conflict at that point directly. | ||
| And that is what Iran does not want to happen. | ||
| So this is where we are. | ||
| If Israel bombs Iran, Iran has to bomb Israel, the United States gets involved. | ||
| If Israel hits Iran's proxies, probably Iran will not retaliate directly. | ||
| Its proxies might retaliate. | ||
| And that's where we are in the larger conflict. | ||
| And it's all really about weighing the different capabilities, the willingness of the United States to intervene, and we must keep in mind the ultimate objective of Israel, which I think is In the long run, maybe not imminently, but in the long run, I think their strategic goal is to defeat Hezbollah first and then draw in Iran to that conflict where the United States will eventually support or green light the destruction of Iran's nuclear complex. | ||
| I think that's the endgame. | ||
| But in order to get there, Israel first has to take out Hezbollah. | ||
| And that's what they're doing right now. | ||
| So we're going to shift gears a little bit and talk about the incursion into Lebanon. | ||
| We'll cover it briefly. | ||
| I'll get through as many super chats as I can, and then I got to get out of here. | ||
| But that brings me to the news in Lebanon. | ||
| So as you know, Israel invaded Lebanon on Monday, although that is denied by the Lebanese government in Hezbollah. | ||
| They say the border has not been penetrated anywhere. | ||
| But Israel says it has conducted cross-border raids and has begun some operations on the border. | ||
| And so the news today from Lebanon is that Israel is conducting special operations and eight of their officers in the special forces were killed in an ambush on the border. | ||
| And this is a story. | ||
| It says, quote, Israel said Wednesday that eight of its soldiers have been killed fighting Hezbollah on the ground in South Lebanon as the Israeli invasion is underway. | ||
| The IDF said the troops were killed in a gun battle with Hezbollah in a village in southern Lebanon. | ||
| The Israeli soldiers were commandos in the elite EGOS unit, and their squad commander was among those killed. | ||
| According to Reuters, the Israeli military said that regular troops and armored divisions would be joining the commandos in the fight in southern Lebanon. | ||
| That means an invasion, by the way. | ||
| The engineers and the commandos and intelligence agents are there to take out tunnels, map out defensive fortifications, things like that, and then the armor and the regular forces move in. | ||
| It says, Hezbollah also said that its forces destroyed three Israeli tanks near a Lebanese border town one kilometer from the Israeli border. | ||
| Later in the day, Al Jazeera reported that Hezbollah said its forces surveilled an Israeli unit, another border town, and detonated explosives in a building where Israeli troops were located. | ||
| Hezbollah claimed all members of the unit were killed, but didn't specify how many. | ||
| Hezbollah also said its forces were able to repel Israeli troops from advancing in other areas of southern Lebanon. | ||
| So this gets back to The balance in the region. | ||
| So again, it all comes down to capability. | ||
| Iran does not have a modern air force. | ||
| And thus, Iran cannot touch Israel across Iraq, across Syria, across Jordan, Lebanon, in any way other than its ballistic missiles. | ||
| And not even all of them, but only certain classes of ballistic missiles that have a range which encompasses all of Israeli territory. | ||
| So Iran is a bit limited in what it is able to do to Israel. | ||
| Israel, on the other hand, has a modern air force, which is furnished by the United States. | ||
| They also have ballistic missiles. | ||
| They have submarine missiles, so they have a second strike capability. | ||
| They have a nuclear arsenal. | ||
| And they have full intelligence penetration of Iran, as evidenced by recent terror attacks and infiltration of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. | ||
| So, Israel really has a lot of ability to hurt Iran. | ||
| But where Iran's power against Israel comes from is its biggest proxy, which is Hezbollah, in Lebanon on Israel's northern border. | ||
| They have a lot of fighters, they have a lot of missiles, they're well-trained, and what history has shown is that Israel is not able to effectively fight Hezbollah. | ||
| And here's the thing. | ||
| Israel can bomb South Lebanon, and they have. | ||
| And Israel can carry out what are called effects-based operations. | ||
| That's a military doctrine. | ||
| And that means they can take out Hezbollah's communications network by bombing their pagers. | ||
| Israel can assassinate the leadership. | ||
| And the doctrine of effects-based operations means that they try to disable the opposing army without actually fighting them. | ||
| If they can take out the command center, if they could take out the communications, if they could disable and disorganize the enemy forces before the battle, then they don't really need to effectively fight them on the ground because they'll already be disabled before the battle starts. | ||
| And it is widely believed in the military community That reliance on that doctrine of effects-based operations is what led to Israel's defeat in South Lebanon in the 1990s and in their war with Hezbollah in 2006, which only lasted a month, and where there were very high Israeli casualties. | ||
| Because what happens is, Israel has air superiority. | ||
| Israel has a modern air force, so they can bomb Lebanon with impunity. | ||
| There's no contest. | ||
| And Israel has superior intelligence and technical capabilities, technical wizardry. | ||
| So they can intercept Hezbollah's pagers and blow them up, and they can assassinate the leadership, and all these kinds of things. | ||
| But what history has demonstrated in Israel's occupation of Lebanon from 82 to 2000 and in the war in 2006 is that it's | ||
| not enough. | ||
| In both of those conflicts, Israel bombed Hezbollah. | ||
| Israel assassinated their leadership. | ||
| Israel had superior intelligence. | ||
| But when Israel fought Hezbollah on the ground, when they invaded, when the tanks and the troops moved in, they were not able to effectively win battles against Hezbollah fighters. | ||
| Hezbollah has superior tactics. | ||
| Their people are better trained. | ||
| They're using cheaper munitions. | ||
| And so, for example, Hezbollah, using very cheap anti-tank weaponry, was able to destroy Israeli tanks. | ||
| And Israeli tank commanders were not experienced and able to effectively counter that. | ||
| So Israel lost a lot of armor. | ||
| And when Israel is fighting a conventional army, a conventional force that is able to hold defensive positions, they're not able to win engagements. | ||
| And so it doesn't matter that they can bomb because, for example, South Lebanon is a heavily wooded area, densely wooded area. | ||
| Hezbollah's rockets that they launch into Israel, they're all over Lebanon, they're deep in the north as well, and they're highly mobile. | ||
| So they don't need to set up a big launching system. | ||
| They can move them around with ease, and they're not easily photographed with surveillance, and Hezbollah's very good at creating decoys. | ||
| So Israel can drop a lot of bombs in the woods, but Hezbollah's moved their rockets by the time the bombs land, and Israel can't effectively photograph them from the air. | ||
| And when they do, sometimes as decoys. | ||
| And so this is where, you know, for example, like in Yemen, the United States has missile cruisers off the coast of Yemen in the Red Sea, They can't do anything to the Houthis, because the Houthis are just running around with highly mobile rockets, and by the time the missiles hit, they're gone. | ||
| So we, the United States, cannot effectively fight the Houthis. | ||
| The Israeli Air Force cannot effectively fight Hezbollah. | ||
| They have to beat them on the ground, and they're unable to do that. | ||
| So, as such, Hezbollah has existed on Israel's northern border and exerts pressure on Israel. | ||
| They effectively cannot be defeated using ordinary means. | ||
| They cannot be defeated in a ground engagement because Israel's army isn't that good. | ||
| And so they're able to launch rockets into Israel and put pressure on Israel in that way. | ||
| Israel can't send all of its forces into Gaza because a lot of them are up in the north | ||
| deterring and fighting Hezbollah and they can't invade because if they invade, they'll | ||
| probably lose. | ||
| So if Israel is able to touch Iran with intelligence, air missiles, nukes, then Iran is able to | ||
| touch Israel with short range rockets fired by Hezbollah. | ||
| So Hezbollah is a huge part of Iran's capability and their projection of power against Israel. | ||
| Israel's been bombing Hezbollah. | ||
| Now they're invading Lebanon to decisively defeat them. | ||
| And a lot of people said it was a huge triumph when Israel killed Nasrallah and when Israel's been conducting these big airstrikes and their cyber attacks. | ||
| But this is their third day in Lebanon and they lost eight officers. | ||
| And they lost eight officers in border towns because they got ambushed by Hezbollah. | ||
| And this is just a little preview of what's to come. | ||
| This is like, they moved in on Monday. | ||
| Today's Wednesday. | ||
| And the tanks haven't gone in, the regular forces haven't gone in. | ||
| These are commandos. | ||
| And they go into a house and Hezbollah blows it up. | ||
| And they blow up three tanks. | ||
| And if this is the kind of fighting that will go on in Lebanon, then Israel is strapped in for a very intense war with high casualties. | ||
| It will last a long time. | ||
| And it goes to show that the assassinations, the airstrikes, as long as Hezbollah is able to keep up the barrage of rockets, and as long as they're able to keep up their defensive fortifications, they will not be decisively defeated. | ||
| And if that's the case, they will still exert pressure on Israel. | ||
| They'll still prevent Israel from confidently engaging Iran in a real war. | ||
| Because if they fight Iran, Iran can instruct Hezbollah to drop 100,000 bombs on Israel, which would overwhelm the Iron Dome. | ||
| And so this is the state of the conflict right now. | ||
| Israel's ratcheting it up with Iran, but they're focusing right now on Hezbollah, trying to defeat them, freeing up their ability to strike Iran without worrying about the pressure coming from their northern border. | ||
| But it's a lot easier said than done, because Israel's lost this war twice. | ||
| And it seems like based on today, they're going to encounter the same difficulty. | ||
| So that's the story in Lebanon and we'll see what happens with the fighting there. | ||
| But I mean, I've said it from the beginning. | ||
| This is the second phase of a three phase war. | ||
| The ultimate ambition is for Israel to decapitate the Iranian regime and strike a strategic | ||
| blow against its nuclear complex and oil and gas. | ||
| It is meant to decisively weaken or destroy Hezbollah in Lebanon and create a buffer zone | ||
| south of the Latani River, and ultimately to annex Gaza, to expel many of the Palestinians, | ||
| defeat Hamas, and effectively annex Gaza. | ||
| Those are, I think, the long-term goals, phase one, two, and three of the conflict, and each | ||
| are related to the other. | ||
| Each, they have to occur in sequence, and each will be leveraged into the next, and they're all related, the purpose of which is to make Israel an uncontested regional hegemon. | ||
| Without worrying about Hezbollah in the north, solving the Palestinian question, and without Iran sponsoring militias and the Palestinians, Israel with their golf allies and the United States will | ||
| become the Indisputed uncontested hegemon of the region and they will | ||
| dominate all of their neighbors So that's the endgame some wild cards will be Turkey | ||
| to the an Erdogan and to the extent that Russia and China will intervene in the conflict of oil flows are disrupted | ||
| in a war with Iran and of course the election | ||
| Donald Trump will be far more willing to underwrite Israel's war than a Harris administration. | ||
| Although I think it's debatable whether that will be marginal or whether that will be significant. | ||
| But that's the story. | ||
| So that's a lot to get through. | ||
| I try to get through it as quickly as possible because we're on a time crunch here. | ||
| I would have liked to spend a little more time, but we have a big debate with a teenager Democrat coming up on Aiden Ross's stream. | ||
| So I'm going to move on. | ||
| We're going to take a look at our super chats. | ||
| I'll get through as many of these as I can. | ||
| And then I got to get out of here because I got to do this. | ||
| I got to show up to this big debate. | ||
| So let me take a look at these Super Chats, we'll see what you guys have to say, and then we'll end the show, we'll go into the debate with Aiden Ross. | ||
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I'm not debating him, I'm debating some Democrat. | |
| Alright, but that's our news of the day. | ||
| So, we might talk, obviously we'll talk about him more tomorrow when we have more news. | ||
| We'll probably have more news about Iran's retaliation, or rather Israel's retaliation, and more news from the front in Lebanon. | ||
| But that's the big picture. | ||
| I don't think you're going to get a breakdown like that anywhere else. | ||
| All these other people have no understanding of the conflict. | ||
| I was going through some of these Republican officials like Madison Cawthorn and Marjorie Greene and Matt Gaetz, and they're all just saying, like, pray for Israel. | ||
| Israel's the good guys. | ||
| Iran is the bad guys. | ||
| And it's like, how America-first is it to support regime change in Iran? | ||
| Is it really America-first to uncritically, unconditionally support whatever Israel does, even if it includes dragging us into a war which is not in our interest? | ||
| I mean, what do you think is going to happen if we decapitate the Iranian regime? | ||
| Oil prices are going to skyrocket, which means inflation is going to skyrocket, and it's going to be like nothing you've ever seen, because you've already got a crunch on energy because of the sanctions against Russia. | ||
| So the reason we had to open up the oil sales for Venezuela and Iran, and the reason Biden had to bend the knee to Saudi Arabia, is because energy was constrained by the sanctions on Russia because of the Ukraine war. | ||
| If you close the Strait of Hormuz and China can no longer buy Iran's oil, you're going to get an oil crunch like you've never seen before, energy crunch, when energy demand is increasing because of AI and other things. | ||
| So that's catastrophic. | ||
| Like, Iran's oil must keep flowing. | ||
| And if there's regime change, oil prices are going to go up, inflation is going to go up. | ||
| And by the way, then there goes your soft landing. | ||
| You know, inflation, they just had a big rate cut. | ||
| They cut interest rates by 50 basis points. | ||
| And core inflation is starting to go up again. | ||
| So the Federal Reserve is trying to create the soft landing with the economy. | ||
| Interest rates are very high. | ||
| We're battling inflation. | ||
| What happens if interest rates are as high as they are and then inflation goes up again because of fuel prices? | ||
| This is catastrophic for the economy. | ||
| And it would guarantee a recession. | ||
| I'll tell you that now. | ||
| It would guarantee a recession and it would be catastrophic. | ||
| And it may be unrecoverable if you have stagflation. | ||
| No economic growth, high inflation. | ||
| It would be a disaster. | ||
| That's one. | ||
| Two, You're going to get a refugee crisis. | ||
| Every time you do regime change, you get refugees. | ||
| Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Palestine, Lebanon. | ||
| Already a million Lebanese have fled the country. | ||
| And where do you think they're going? | ||
| They're going to Europe. | ||
| They're going to come to the United States. | ||
| So you're going to get a refugee crisis. | ||
| And Iran is much bigger than Lebanon and Afghanistan in terms of population. | ||
| And Libya. | ||
| It's a real country. | ||
| And then three, you're going to get terrorism. | ||
| Either false flag terrorism by Israel or real radicalism, you're going to get terrorism. | ||
| The United States is going to get involved. | ||
| Americans are going to die. | ||
| We're going to be stuck there. | ||
| It's going to spread us very thin because we have to also defend Taiwan and also keep up the fight in Ukraine and also deter all these other things going on everywhere else. | ||
| So, it's just, like, catastrophic. | ||
| And Israel can't do it without us, and they expect us to support them, and because the government's controlled by Israel, we're going to. | ||
| But you would think that America First, self-proclaimed America Firsters like Matt Gaetz, Marjorie Greene, and Madison Cawthorn would know better. | ||
| But they're owned by Israel themselves. | ||
| I also think they're complete idiots. | ||
| So that doesn't help. | ||
| It doesn't help when you're objectively stupid either and don't really understand these dynamics. | ||
| But that is what they're pushing for. | ||
| When they talk about Iran hacking the RNC and Iran trying to kill Trump, And when you look at what Israel clearly has planned for this, these unfolding phases of a regional war, it's obvious they're priming the pump for false flags, for a pretext to go to war with Iran. | ||
| And it really has nothing to do with us. | ||
| It has everything to do with Israel. | ||
| The people that are pushing the policy are in the pocket of Saudi Arabia and Israel. | ||
| It's Brett McGurk. | ||
| Who's the Middle East policy advisor in the White House. | ||
| It's Amos Hochstein, who's a senior advisor. | ||
| Hochstein was born in Israel, served in the IDF. | ||
| Brett McGurk has been in government for 20 years, was in Iraq, resigned from the Trump admin when he wanted to pull us out of Syria. | ||
| He's beholden to the Saudis. | ||
| So it's like you have two people creating this policy to decapitate Iran because it would benefit Saudi Arabia and Israel. | ||
| It would be a disaster for the United States. | ||
| And, you know, but, but they're right there alongside the America Firsters and the GOP. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| Anyway, we're going to move on. | ||
| We're going to, honestly, we can read like some of these super chats. | ||
| We're not going to be able to read most of them. | ||
| I guess I'll save them for tomorrow. | ||
| I'll read the biggest ones. | ||
| We'll save a lot of these for tomorrow. | ||
| Slavik Lukovic said $100. | ||
| Give me one second. | ||
| Show Nick. Give me one second. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Slavic Lukovic said $100. Great show Nick. Good luck. | ||
| Have fun with it. | ||
| Thanks for the big super chat! | ||
|
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It's gonna be fun! | |
| That's the most important rule right have fun with it. | ||
| Thanks for the big super chat. It's gonna be fun. That's gonna be a good one | ||
| a sacroi percent I appreciate it. | ||
| I don't know if I'm max prestige, but I'm definitely prestige. | ||
| I'm liberal and I'm kecking popcorns in hand. | ||
| Thanks for the big super chat. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| I don't know if I'm max prestige, but I'm definitely prestiged. | ||
| I'm like five prestige, level 100, just like golden skins on my AK-47 and model 1887. | ||
| 1987. | ||
| Gold skin on my ACR with the ACOG scope. | ||
| Extra mags. | ||
| It's all day, you know it. | ||
| Good intervention. | ||
| It'll be fun. | ||
| And a level one libshit slime who's like, oh, Kamala's- Kamala's a bad- I saw him in the Jubilee thing and he's like, here's why I'm arguing for Kamala. | ||
| She wants to defend democracy for all. | ||
| It's like, you're a- you're such a fucking idiot. | ||
| If you believe anything like that, if you honestly think politics is about like- I think I literally have the quote. | ||
| I made a quick document to prepare for it. | ||
| I just wrote down some of the shit that he said. | ||
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He said that, let me see if I have it. | |
| Kamala will protect and preserve democracy. | ||
| That's like the equivalent of, you're like an unpaid shill. | ||
| That's like if somebody said, McDonald's? | ||
| That stuff's pretty unhealthy. | ||
| And you were like, McDonald's is fortified with three key ingredients. | ||
| It's always delicious. | ||
| It's like you're saying an advertising slogan. | ||
| Like, that's an advertising slogan that was fucking made up by a marketing agency. | ||
| It's not, there is no basis in reality, okay? | ||
| Like, Subway's job is to make money selling sandwiches. | ||
| And so their marketing agency comes up with words to trick you into buying their sandwiches. | ||
| So they say, look, we lost weight eating sandwiches. | ||
| And so for someone to uncritically go and say, like, she's going to protect and preserve democracy, it would be like the same thing if you just, like, got a McDonald's ad tattooed on your face, like a, what do they call those, like, meal deals? | ||
| A dollar menu advertisement on your chest or your back. | ||
| Cheeseburger for $1. | ||
| Have it your way, like Burger King. | ||
| The thing that I love about Burger King is you can have it your way. | ||
| Life got you down? | ||
| Feel like you can't have it your way at Burger King? | ||
| You can have any kind of cheeseburger you like. | ||
| It's no different. | ||
| She's gonna protect and preserve democracy? | ||
| Really? | ||
| You think that's why Steve Jobs' widow is giving her all this money? | ||
| Do you think that all these people that have a gripe with Disney supported DeSantis because he woke, went to die, or because DeSantis was gonna fuck with Disney's real estate portfolio in Florida because he was the fucking governor there? | ||
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Hello? | |
| Like, it's all about money! | ||
| It's all about money, it's all about power. | ||
| They're in favor of democracy, really? | ||
| That's why they went to Saudi Arabia, where they, like, killed journalists and jailed human rights activists? | ||
| Because they're all about democracy? | ||
| Or because the country needs oil? | ||
| Like, hello? | ||
| So it's just totally insane. | ||
| But anyway, we'll look at a few more. | ||
| I don't even know how many super chats we have time for here. | ||
| I guess I'll just read the biggest ones. | ||
| Blackpill sent $77. | ||
| Last night's debate between the two Israel hawks was so lame and predictable. | ||
| Hawk 1, do you believe Donald Trump lost the 2020 election? | ||
| Hawk 2, uh, whatever makes sense. | ||
| Meanwhile, Jews are crucifying the entire world. | ||
| Yeah, totally lame. | ||
| Vance totally cucked out on that. | ||
| Wouldn't even say the election was stolen. | ||
| I mean, I get it politically, but... This is dumb. | ||
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I agree. | |
| I agree. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| And I think that the hot potato of the Iran war should be passed to Kamala. | ||
| I think the recession should be passed. | ||
| I think it probably would be better at this point. | ||
| I'm not voting for her. | ||
| I don't want it to happen. | ||
| But when all is said and done, in terms of like second and third order effects, I think Kamala winning, as much as people are going to hate to hear it, would probably be better, even though she'd be worse. | ||
| A lot of people have a hard time with that. | ||
| You say something like Trump would be the better president, and yet it would ultimately be worse for the country. | ||
| But that's because people can't think past, like, that first chess move. | ||
| You know, but chess and strategy is about thinking several steps ahead. | ||
| If this, then that. | ||
| If that, then this. | ||
| And calculating probability and the computational power to consider all those things. | ||
| If you're a low IQ fucktard, you can't think past, like, if I move it here, I could take this guy's pawn. | ||
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I'll take a piece. | |
| And if you go, yeah, but if you take that pawn, then you're going to get checkmated. | ||
| They go, but I'm taking a pawn. | ||
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Should I not take a pawn? | |
| You win chess by taking pieces, right? | ||
| Should I not make this move? | ||
| So anyway, all right. | ||
| I got to go. | ||
| I got to go. | ||
| Aiden Ross is calling me. | ||
| I got to go. | ||
| So we'll save the rest of the Super Chats for tomorrow. | ||
| I'll read this one super quick because it's greater. | ||
| JC Gray sent $50. Been watching a while. This episode was one of the best. | ||
| You bring so much info and put it together so well. | ||
| Thank you very much, man. | ||
| Yeah, I like to think that I do, so I appreciate you saying that. | ||
| That's our last Super Chat. | ||
| I'll read the rest tomorrow. | ||
| I'm going to be on Aiden Ross' kickstream doing the debate, so tune in over there. | ||
| I'll post the replay of it on Rumble. | ||
| So I'm not going to stream it, but I'll post a replay of it on my channel when we finish. | ||
| We'll cut it, we'll upload it, if he's cool with that. | ||
| So I'm going to go over there in a sec. | ||
| But that's going to do it for me on the show tonight. | ||
| Smash the follow button, smash the like button, or should I just, you know, maybe I'll just stream it actually. | ||
| Yeah, you know what? | ||
| Maybe I'll just, maybe I'll just stream it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'll just, I'll just switch over. | ||
| I guess I'll just have to figure out the tech and I'll just do it. | ||
| We'll just do it live. | ||
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'll just keep the stream going. | ||
|
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What am I thinking? | |
| We have 18,000 live viewers. | ||
| Why would I end the stream? | ||
|
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All right. | |
| So bear with me. | ||
| I'll just get set up here. | ||
| Let's see, what's my Discord? | ||
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I don't even know. | |
| I'm Unc now. | ||
| I've been banned from Discord so much, I don't even know what my username and stuff is. | ||
|
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Streamer mode enabled? | |
| Come on, bruh. | ||
| How do I turn this shit off? | ||
| Give me one sec! | ||
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There it is. | |
| Streamer mode. | ||
| Let's disable that so I can just see my name. | ||
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Oh, that's what it is. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. Now I'm going to re-enable streamer mode because that's kind of a Keck name. | ||
| I forgot that that was my name. | ||
| It's kind of funny. | ||
| But not really appropriate for the stream. | ||
| I have to pee too. | ||
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Maybe I'll get up in a sec. | |
| Or I'll just hold it. | ||
| Like a boss. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Sent in my name. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
|
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We'll await the invitation. | |
| Then we'll get it set up. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| I'm waiting on an invitation here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Oh, I guess I'll just hit up Sneeko. | ||
| Or no, I think Sneeko's at Aiden Ross's house, so he has to add me. | ||
| They're rushing me, they're rushing me, and then it's like, okay. | ||
|
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All right, well, we're awaiting this. | |
| What do you guys think? | ||
| What do you guys think about this debate? | ||
| This is gonna be good. | ||
|
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But it's kind of a classic. | |
| It's like America first classic. | ||
| Normally I'm debating like conservatives about whether Israel's running our government. | ||
| Now I'm debating some like libshit about Kamala versus Trump. | ||
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It's like kind of plebeian. | |
| All right, here we go. | ||
| I'm adding Ross. | ||
| I'm adding Aiden Ross on Discord. | ||
|
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I'm going to give him a call here. | |
| I'll have to do this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Oh, I see, because it's my... | ||
| How do I get it set up? | ||
| Oh, whatever, it's fine. | ||
| Hey, what's up? | ||
| This is the speakers. | ||
| Hello? | ||
| Hey, what's up? | ||
| Hey, buddy! | ||
| Hey, what's up? | ||
| Now the man's up with you. | ||
| Hang on, let me get my thing set up. | ||
| I'm going to go ahead and get my thing set up. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Hang on, I'm trying to get my video set up here so that you can see me. | ||
| We got the liberal on yet or what? | ||
| Hey Sneeko, what's up? | ||
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Jake, can we fix this audio real quick? | |
| I think, let me figure out how to do this. | ||
| Jewish audio. | ||
| Jewish audio. | ||
| I think I know how to fix it. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| No, I know why. | ||
| Audio output. | ||
| Wait, I thought I had a... Give me a second. | ||
| Audio output. | ||
| Sam, I gotta text my guy here. | ||
| Nick, I thought JD Vance did pretty well. | ||
| Yeah, he did pretty well. | ||
| I still don't like him. | ||
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Still hate him, but... Yeah, is that good? | |
| Talk now, Nick? | ||
| Test. | ||
| Test. | ||
| Testing. | ||
| Lower just a little bit more. | ||
| How's it now? | ||
| Talk one more time? | ||
| Nick? | ||
| Test, test, test. | ||
| I want to make sure your camera's straight. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Yes, do you see and hear me, Nick? | ||
| I do. | ||
|
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Okay, we have to join the other Discord room. | |
| Okay. | ||
| With Dean. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, how you feeling tonight? | ||
| You good? | ||
| I'm feeling good. | ||
| I'm excited. | ||
|
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Dude, it's actually like a pleasure to talk to you, bro. | |
| Likewise! | ||
| Good to talk to you, too. | ||
|
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He does have aura. | |
| Let's go. | ||
| You have aura. | ||
|
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Thank you, bro. | |
| Wait, hold on. | ||
| What was that? | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Shit, shit, shit. | ||
| I got it. | ||
| Well, we're gonna... Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| I'm gonna invade this room. | ||
| Don't leak it, alright? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Whoops. | ||
| Didn't mean to do that. | ||
| I gotta figure out how to do this thing here. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
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Let me... Let me do like this. | |
| I don't know how I'm gonna do this, technically. | ||
| I'm not a technical guy. | ||
| I gotta set it up. | ||
| I guess it's gonna be a voice call? | ||
| I'm a little bit nervous. | ||
| I've had Nick's fans on the Twitter account. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| What's going on, man? | ||
| How you doing? | ||
| What's up? | ||
| I'm good. | ||
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How you doing? | |
| Doing all right. | ||
| It's a good night. | ||
|
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Let's have a great time. | |
| Despite... Dean, it's a pleasure to meet you, man. | ||
| Despite whatever I believe in, you know, like I said, I believe in a couple of your guys' points for certain topics. | ||
| Me and Sneeko, we're going to hold our ground and be as neutral as possible. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Sounds good. | ||
| I appreciate y'all for that. | ||
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By the way, Dean, Sneeko, you're not going to see him because we're kind of reacting over you, but I'll turn my camera off for a quick second. | |
| You could meet us face to face. | ||
| This is Sneeko. | ||
| What's going on, man? | ||
| What's going on, dude? | ||
| I was a little bit disappointed to hear that the debate between you and me wasn't happening, but, you know, here we are nonetheless. | ||
| It's good to meet you. | ||
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I didn't even hear about that. | |
| I didn't know that that was confirmed. | ||
| I told you it was. | ||
| It was never confirmed. | ||
| I literally told you it was. | ||
| I have the text. | ||
| Show me. | ||
| You want to see the text? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I was over FaceTime, actually. | ||
| I don't know too much about you. | ||
| We saw some of your Jubilee video. | ||
| But I've heard good things about your debating. | ||
| But Aiden told me that you, like, agreed to the topics. | ||
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No, I didn't. | |
| Okay, I must have liked it. | ||
|
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I'm in the debate towards Ethan Klein and Hasanabi right now, but if it makes sense, it makes sense. | |
| And I'll debate anybody. | ||
| Okay, all right. | ||
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I moderate debates pretty frequently, so I'm going to stay neutral. | |
| Obviously, like, I've known Nick for quite some time, but yeah, we don't want to come off biased at all. | ||
| We're going to keep it fair and make sure that we can cover all the topics. | ||
| Cool, sounds good. | ||
| Nick, your webcam is not loading. | ||
| Yeah, I'm trying to get set up here. | ||
| Give me one sec. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I'm trying to figure out how I can do this here. | ||
| Dude, I see Aiden giving you that side-eye. | ||
| I'm not gonna lie, that's crazy. | ||
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That's our sexual tension. | |
| Okay, word. | ||
| All right, I guess I'll just do it like this. | ||
| My audience won't be able to see, but maybe I'll just end my stream. | ||
|
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All right, I want you guys, you guys go ahead and introduce each other. | |
| Take it away, Nick. | ||
| You got it first. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
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What's up? | |
| Okay. | ||
| I guess while he's, I guess while he's figuring that out, I'll go ahead and give an introduction of myself to everyone watching. | ||
| I am Dean Withers. | ||
| I am a 20 year old, uh, liberal. | ||
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I really enjoy, uh, uh, I enjoy politics. | |
| I enjoy debate. | ||
| And I started streaming on TikTok about a year and a half ago, uh, yap in my mouth to maybe a crowd of 30 people. | ||
| And here we are, uh, a year and a half later on a debate stage on Aiden Ross's stream, debating Nick Fuentes. | ||
| So it's going to be a fun night guys. | ||
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Thank you very much. | |
| It is gonna be a fun one. | ||
| We're just waiting for Nick, and then we'll let Nick introduce himself, and then uh... Then we gotta agree on topics and terms and everything. | ||
| No, no, they already both agreed on the topics. | ||
| They have? | ||
| Yeah, there's four good topics. | ||
| I think I should do maybe a two to five minute intro, depending what they agree on, and then... I agree, and then we'll ask a question. | ||
| And then we'll do free-flowing, and if they interrupt each other, then we can go to 90 seconds, two minutes, back and forth. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And then we have the ability to server mute as well. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
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Guys, if you wanna like formalize this, go for it. | |
| Alright, honestly, I was coming here expecting a back and forth conversation, but I'm down with formalization. | ||
| Yeah, we'll figure it out. | ||
| We don't want to hear you guys talking over each other the whole time. | ||
| Hey, Nick, if you can hear me, I know how to fix your issue, bro. | ||
| So, are you using OBS Studio? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay, so you're gonna go ahead and start a virtual cam. | ||
| You'll see that. | ||
| And what that'll do is you can basically use your webcam at the same time as using it on your stream. | ||
| So it's like you can use Discord and the stream. | ||
| Make sure your virtual camera is selected to your video source that you're using on OBS. | ||
| Okay, let me see. | ||
| I'm surprised you're not in OBS. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| I'm kidding. | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| Yeah, no, I used to be. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I got a producer and now I'm kind of lazy. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| This is the, yeah. | ||
| So why isn't this working? | ||
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Okay. | |
| So click on, you know what you got to do? | ||
| Go to the camera icon and click the little down arrow. | ||
| Jewish tech support. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
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I think I got it. | |
| Okay, I think I got it. | ||
| Sorry, guys. | ||
| No, dude, you're good. | ||
| Take your time. | ||
| There we go. | ||
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There we go. | |
| Okay, I think we're good now. | ||
| Can you see? | ||
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Okay, now let me do this like this. | |
| Okay, that wasn't too hard. | ||
| All right. | ||
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Nick, let's give it a little introduction. | |
| I would like you to give a little introduction and tell us, you know, the new viewers and stuff, who you are, what you do, talk a little about yourself and yeah, go ahead. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, my name is Nicholas J. Fuentes. | ||
| I'm a live streamer. | ||
| I've been doing a show called America First for eight years, almost eight years now. | ||
| I'm 26 from Chicago. | ||
| I'm a reactionary Trump supporter. | ||
| Well, I was a Trump supporter, not so much anymore, but I'll be defending Trump. | ||
| That's fine from, you know, debate point of view. | ||
| And, yeah, so that's me. | ||
| So I'm excited to be here. | ||
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It's going to be good. | |
| Sweet. | ||
| Sweet. | ||
| OK. | ||
| Well, you know, the first topic, as everyone knows in the chat as well, you know, is who is the better presidential candidate? | ||
| Dean, we'll start with you. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| So, I mean, obviously, I think that the better presidential candidate is Kamala Harris, but I just wanted to clarify with Nick, you said that you're not much of a Trump supporter. | ||
| So are you voting for Trump? | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
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I'm not going to vote for him. | |
| Who are you voting for? | ||
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I'm not voting. | |
| OK, holy shit. | ||
| Well, I mean, you know, the reason I chose that topic was because, you know, I thought that you were voting for Trump. | ||
| I don't really see much use in it if you're not voting for Trump. | ||
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I mean, it's worthwhile because I'll argue that people should. | |
| I'll just argue that Trump is better than. | ||
| I think that Trump would be a better president, but I'm not going to vote for him. | ||
| Okay, yeah, sure. | ||
| I guess we'll start there. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| You know, one of the main reasons why I disagree, we could come out of the gate swinging, is this economic policy. | ||
| I think that, you know, it's pretty clear, and we could probably both agree on this, that the average American should be doing better than they are today. | ||
| And they should not be doing worse than they are today. | ||
| Donald Trump's proposed economic policy will make the average American worse off with his tariffs and then his TCGA for another 10 years disproportionately benefits rich people. | ||
| It will also just add reckless spending to our debt. | ||
| It will inflate it even more than it is today. | ||
| I think there's an estimate from the CBO putting that right at $5.8 trillion. | ||
| He has no fucking plan how he's going to pay for it. | ||
| Then we look over at Kamala Harris, okay? | ||
| Her proposed tax policy so far is $2.4 trillion. | ||
| She knows exactly how she's going to pay for it, and they're designed for 100 million American workers in the low and the middle class. | ||
| And it's going to make them better off. | ||
| Donald Trump's going to make them worse off. | ||
| Argument's clear. | ||
| Okay, that's it? | ||
| It's just the economic proposals? | ||
| That's all you got? | ||
| We could start there. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Sure, we could reference other things too. | ||
| I didn't want to just throw everything at you at once. | ||
| Sure, well— I mean, we could talk about multiple things. | ||
| Yeah, well, let me let me address all that. | ||
| I mean, so with regard to the tariffs, J.D. | ||
| Vance pointed this out, the Biden administration continued many of the Trump era tariffs. | ||
| So that's kind of a moot point. | ||
| I mean, not at all. | ||
| Kamala is going to. | ||
| Of course he did. | ||
| Of course he continued tariffs on China. | ||
| No, they continued the tariffs, but it's not a mute point. | ||
| I disagree with the Biden-Harris administration because they continued the tariffs on China, but what Donald Trump is proposing today is a 10-20% flat tariff on all goods imported into the country. | ||
| I could say that any and all tariffs are bad, but a 10-20% flat tariff on all goods is worse than tariffs on goods imported from China. | ||
| I don't think it's a flat tariff. | ||
| Is that actually the policy? | ||
| I don't believe that's right. | ||
| It is, right? | ||
| I think that JD Vance was talking about this last night in the debate. | ||
| I think you could reference his own policies. | ||
| He's talked about it multiple times in the past. | ||
| If you don't think this is... It's only on certain countries. | ||
| It wouldn't be... There would be no 15... That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| There'd be no 15 to 20 percent tariff. | ||
| But even if that were the case... | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Let's say for the sake of argument that's true, because I don't know the Trump policy. | ||
| They keep saying that Trump is going to put in place—they're calling it a consumption tax. | ||
| A consumption tax is a value-added tax. | ||
| They're saying it's going to be like a sales tax, and that's the idea that the taxation occurs at the point of a sale of goods. | ||
| And that's actually a real proposal, but that's different than a tariff because, and here's | ||
| the difference, when you put a tariff on goods and services, to call that a consumption tax | ||
| is to imply that the consumer will bear the full cost of the tariff. | ||
| And that's not necessarily true. | ||
| Trump had a lot of tariffs in his first term, and the price of goods did not significantly | ||
| increase in spite of the tariffs. | ||
| Everybody says that it would only be the case if the full cost of the tariff was passed | ||
| down to the consumer, but that flies in the face of the fact that foreign corporations | ||
| will bear the cost of the tariff, or almost all of it, and certainly not all of it is | ||
| passed down to the consumer. | ||
| So that's just not true. | ||
| That's one. | ||
| Two, with regard to deficit spending tax policy, I mean, you know, I know you're a young guy and everything, but like Republicans and Democrats, there's a bipartisan consensus on spending. | ||
| Let's just talk about spending. | ||
| Most of the spending on an annual basis is not even discretionary. Okay, there's mandatory spending | ||
| and there's discretionary spending. | ||
| Mandatory spending means you can't change it. Okay, the executive doesn't change it. Congress | ||
| can barely change it. And that is liabilities like Social Security, Medicare. It's baked into | ||
| the cake. It's a vast majority of it. And who is going to cut entitlements? | ||
| Nobody. | ||
| Republicans aren't proposing to cut entitlements, although they'd be more willing to than Democrats. | ||
| Democrats are certainly not touching entitlements. | ||
| Biden always attacks Republicans in his State of the Union, saying they're trying to touch Social Security. | ||
| What do you think's driving the deficit of the debt? | ||
| It's Social Security and Medicare. | ||
| It's unfunded liabilities. | ||
| In terms of military spending, military spending has gone up every year under the Biden administration. | ||
| It's like $850 billion per year. | ||
| That's the largest item in the discretionary budget. | ||
| So mandatory spending is going to go up in perpetuity. | ||
| Under Democrats and Republicans, discretionary spending is going to go up because military is by far and away the biggest component of that, and Biden spends more. | ||
| And he spends more on military appropriations because of all the foreign aid. | ||
| We gave $175 billion to Ukraine. | ||
| We gave $27 billion to Israel, another $8 billion to Israel last week, $7 billion to Taiwan, $1.3 billion to Egypt. | ||
| That's in addition to the $850 billion per year, which that's like the highest ever under Biden. | ||
| So, you know, spending's not coming down under anybody. | ||
| Um... Yeah, well that's just wrong. | ||
| I'm sorry for interrupting you. | ||
| What's wrong? | ||
| Oh yeah, your claim that spending didn't go down under Biden and Harris compared to Trump. | ||
| You could reference a committee for a responsible federal budget. | ||
| I didn't say that, I didn't say that. | ||
| You said that spending wasn't going down under anyone, right? | ||
| We can make a comparative analysis between the two last terms and we could show how it's going down. | ||
| A committee for a responsible federal budget indicated that Donald Trump signed $8.7 trillion in debt into law. | ||
| Meanwhile, Biden and Harris only signed in $4.6 trillion. | ||
| I mean, we could break that down into COVID and non-COVID. | ||
| Like, for instance, Trump signed $4.8 trillion of non-COVID-related expenditures into law. | ||
| Meanwhile, Biden only signed in $2.2 trillion. | ||
| But the first point that you made, I wanted to touch on that. | ||
| You were talking about the tariffs. | ||
| You just kind of related it back to how the Kamala Harris campaign is calling it a sales tax, and that's kind of all you said. | ||
| Yeah, I don't really care what they're calling it. | ||
| I agree that's just a term that they use to convince the average American that doesn't know much about what a tariff is, that it's really bad. | ||
| But at the end of the day, the impact of the tariff still does serve as a detriment to the consumer. | ||
| And you were very careful with your words here, because you told me that that That tax, right, that tariff isn't fully paid by the consumer, implicitly kind of conceding there that some of it is, right? | ||
| And that's what I'm talking about. | ||
| That is a tax that in some sorts is passed off to the consumer. | ||
| We could also consider other attributes such as the idea when we reduce the overall supply of a good with a constant demand, the price will go up. | ||
| That's basic macroeconomics. | ||
| That's going to happen when we reduce the amount of imported goods without increasing | ||
| the amount of supply manufactured here at home in the US. | ||
| At the end of the day, tariffs are bad. | ||
| This is a unilateral, agreed upon consensus. | ||
| Republicans and Democrats alike, you go to any economist, they'll tell you this unless | ||
| they don't have the necessary qualifications to be. | ||
| And that's a fact. | ||
| That's just rhetoric. | ||
| When we kind of consider these tariffs alongside his policy disproportionately benefiting the | ||
| rich man and seemingly at the expense of the poor man with these tariffs, it becomes quite | ||
| clear if we want to serve to the average American in their best interests, we need to be voting | ||
| for Kamala Harris because her policy does exactly that. | ||
| I mean, 83% of the tax cuts in the TCGA. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| 83% of the tax cuts in the TCGA for the last seven years went to the top 1%. | ||
| I mean, is that just rhetoric? | ||
| Okay, so my turn? | ||
| Go for it, sir. | ||
| Okay, so with regard to tariffs, yes, some of the cost is passed down to the consumer, but it's marginal. | ||
| And the point of tariffs is to reshore manufacturing. | ||
| I'll give you a perfect example. | ||
| China has now become the largest manufacturer of electric cars. | ||
| Huge industry. | ||
| You could buy an electric car in China for $10,000. | ||
| Tesla does not cost $10,000. | ||
| If we allowed China to dump their electric cars in America, there goes Tesla. | ||
| There goes our American electric car manufacturing. | ||
| And it's a national security problem. | ||
| There's a lot of problems. | ||
| You have to put tariffs on the cars. | ||
| Probably China will send them here regardless because they're still so cheap. | ||
| And yeah, they're not going to be $10,000, but there's a value in making cars in America. | ||
| There's a value. | ||
| And by the way, because then Americans get those jobs. | ||
| So, you know, you could say that free trade creates the lowest costs, but the only reason it creates the lowest costs is because they can undercut us with wages and with their lower standard of living and monetary policy that they have in their own country. | ||
| So tariffs are essential for a holistic understanding of the economy. | ||
| The increase in prices is marginal. | ||
| It's not significant. | ||
| And when you call it a consumer tax or a sales tax, you know, that does matter because they're conflating that with a VAT tax. | ||
| That's very different. | ||
| The 15-20% to the, and I don't know that they're doing it on every country, so I'll take your word for it, it's not going to be passed down to consumers beyond a marginal amount. | ||
| That's one. | ||
| In terms of, you said, oh, well, Trump had more deficit spending. | ||
| Almost all of that is accounted for by the pandemic. | ||
| Almost all of it. | ||
| When you say, well, Trump had a $6, $8 trillion deficit. | ||
| That was because of the COVID stimulus, the PPP, the cash payments. | ||
| No, half of it was. | ||
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Not almost all. | |
| Half of it. | ||
| Almost all of it. | ||
| And here's the point. | ||
| No, go to CRBS.org to look at it for yourself. | ||
| Hang on, hang on, hang on. | ||
| I'll let you finish. | ||
| You said, so the structural problems with deficit spending, they're there under Trump. | ||
| They're there under Harris. | ||
| And by the way, Republicans tried to get limitations on the deficit. | ||
| That's what they got elected on. | ||
| Republicans regained control of Congress in 22, saying they'd limit the deficit. | ||
| They negotiated it over the debt ceiling negotiations last year. | ||
| They negotiated it over military appropriations last year with the October 1st deadline. | ||
| Tried to negotiate it this year. | ||
| Democrats wouldn't come to the table on deficit reduction. | ||
| Either way, the deficit is baked into the cake. | ||
| The debt is $30 trillion. | ||
| Interest rates are high. | ||
| Interest to service, the debt is going up. | ||
| Neither Harris or Trump is meaningfully going to reduce the debt or the deficit. | ||
| So let's just moot. | ||
| Without bringing down Social Security and Medicare, just forget about it. | ||
| Without bringing down the military, it's not going to happen. | ||
| And there are these extraordinary measures like COVID and Ukraine war. | ||
| It's really neither here nor there. | ||
| Also, I mean, I think deficit is really besides the point. | ||
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If you want to get further into the deficit, though... First time I've heard a Republican say that, by the way. | |
| Yeah, well, I'm not a normal Republican. | ||
| I'm not, like, a fiscal conservative, okay? | ||
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Look, the deficit... Do you mind if I respond to the points that you've made so far? | |
| What's that? | ||
| Do you mind if I respond to the points that you've made so far? | ||
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Yeah, go ahead. | |
| I just want to lose track of what you said. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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So, like, first of all, you said that... Real quick, Dean, Dean, Dean, I'm not cutting you off. | |
| Guys, we just have 10 minutes on this topic. | ||
| Just 10 more minutes on this topic. | ||
| Go ahead, Dean. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay, right, so the first claim that you made, that tariff isn't passed off to the consumer, yeah, that's wrong, because what would the point of the tariff be then? | ||
| Okay, we see an increase in domestic production given tariffs because that is passed off to the consumer. | ||
| Would you agree there? | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| Okay, so then why do we see an increase in domestic production given tariffs? | ||
| Because when you produce something in China, you can make it for cheaper, so your margin is bigger, so you can undercut prices. | ||
| But you make it more expensive for the consumer at the grocery store by imposing those tariffs, right? | ||
| And then secondly, I agree with you. | ||
| Not necessarily. | ||
| Again, because China will pay the tariff to get their goods to the market, because they need access to the market. | ||
| But then why won't we buy it? | ||
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But then why won't we buy it? | |
| Because it costs more money. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And that's my whole argument. | ||
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Is that tariffs cause the end consumer to pay more at the grocery store. | |
| To pay more at Best Buy. | ||
| To pay more at the car dealership. | ||
| Do you know what a tariff is? | ||
| There's another point that you brought up there. | ||
| It's a tax on an import. | ||
| And there's another point that you brought up there. | ||
| About how we want to like spur domestic production of goods. | ||
| I don't disagree. | ||
| I absolutely agree. | ||
| We should have a more industrialized economy. | ||
| Where we produce goods here at home in America. | ||
| We just disagree on how we get there. | ||
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Right? | |
| I... How do we get there without tariffs? | ||
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Yeah, sure. | |
| By driving further competition through the natural market. | ||
| We do that via investment. | ||
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What's the natural market? | |
| We do that by investing in money. | ||
| Sorry, investing in money. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| Investing in U.S. | ||
| producers of goods, like the Chips and Science Act under Biden and Harris' administration. | ||
| That invested billions of dollars into U.S. | ||
| chip producers to further drive competition, right, with those imported goods just via innovation in the product, right? | ||
| And the fact that you as a conservative are sitting here telling me that we need a government to impose a regulation on the free market by tariffing those goods that are being imported to our country, it's just new. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Well, it may be new to you because, like, your only context of Republican is, like, Reagan. | ||
| But if you go back to Henry Clay and Friedrich List and the American system, Alexander Hamilton, the country was basically funded by tariffs until we had an income tax. | ||
| We only had an income tax a hundred years ago. | ||
| Before that, the federal government made its money from tariffs. | ||
| Yeah, but you know why? | ||
| Basic mercantilism, because we want to make the stuff. | ||
| And by the way, when you say, well, we're just going to invest, it doesn't work. | ||
| China's dollar goes three times as far because the standard of living is lower. | ||
| They're rich in raw materials. | ||
| They have an endless supply of labor, cheap labor. | ||
| The idea you're going to chip some science is your way out of China having systemic advantages, economic factors of production like labor. | ||
| They have a billion and a half people. | ||
| You're not going to pass a bill that's going to change those fundamental imbalances in the economy. | ||
| We have capital, we have tech, we have entrepreneurship, they have labor. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| It's the same reason, hang on, and it's the same reason why we're even, when we try to, they call it friend-shoring, we're going to take our factories from China and give them to our allies like Philippines. | ||
| It's still going to China because they have all the cheap labor. | ||
| You just can't compete with that. | ||
| You can't compete with the fact that they make everything, they have all the people. | ||
| So, you agree that we should re-industrialize. | ||
| You literally cannot do that unless you protect industry. | ||
| And by the way, China has tariffs too. | ||
| All countries have tariffs. | ||
| We're the country that doesn't have tariffs. | ||
| They're eating our lunch as a result. | ||
| So, you know, that's just not true. | ||
| What you're saying isn't true. | ||
| No, Donald Trump's taken away the average American's lunch as a result. | ||
| Like, once again, we've already went over how tariffs can cause prices at the grocery store to go higher. | ||
| Every single time we've historically increased tariffs on China, what have we seen? | ||
| A reduction in U.S. | ||
| agricultural exports. | ||
| What did Trump have to do when he imposed his tariffs on China? | ||
| He had to bail out American farmers with $28 billion. | ||
| You say you want American industrialization, you say you want more U.S. | ||
| production of goods, but then you also say that you want these tariffs on China to absolutely destroy American farmers. | ||
| And you want the average American to be worse off, meaning they have less economic mobility to go and start a business in the first place. | ||
| This is why Kamala Harris's tax policy is better, right? | ||
| Because what we're not going to do— This is just like Democrat talking points. | ||
| Okay, well can you dispute them? | ||
| Yeah, like I said, tariffs, the other country will pay the cost of the tariff, okay? | ||
| You're saying consumers will pay it, and that's just wrong, okay? | ||
| Under the Trump administration, hang on, Trump administration, I'll give you a perfect example. | ||
| Trump administration implemented tariffs against Canada, against Europe, against China. | ||
| Inflation was like 1.3% under Trump, okay? | ||
| So if what you're saying is true, that the cost of the tariff would be passed down to the consumer one-to-one or even significantly, inflation would not remain at or around 1%. | ||
| Why, if, if, and by the way, Biden administration has tariffs too. | ||
| Inflation is very high. | ||
| But the cost of goods going up has everything to do with fuel prices going up. | ||
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Hey guys, we got five more minutes. | |
| And it's everything to do with... Five more minutes. | ||
| A very crucial point, a very crucial point here. | ||
| With the quantitative easing. | ||
| If they don't cause inflation of the pricing of goods at the grocery store, then why would we see an increase in domestic production? | ||
| Because it will make it competitive for America to make the same things. | ||
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How? | |
| It's basic math. | ||
| I'm going to if you stop interrupting me. | ||
| If it costs less to make something in China because they have abundant labor | ||
| than it does in the United States, then China can sell it at a lower price because their cost | ||
| is lower. But if we make them pay more to bring their goods to the market, then they have to sell | ||
| it for more, or they have to pay the tariff and they make less profit. | ||
| Nick, you just agreed with me. | ||
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Can you stop interrupting me? | |
| Chinese products cost more. | ||
| What does that mean for the consumer? | ||
| It adds, but who pays the cost? | ||
| China pays the cost to bring it to the market, not the consumer. | ||
| And who pays the cost once it's in the market? | ||
| Well, the consumer does. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| But they're buying what they're already buying. | ||
| They're just buying it from an American producer. | ||
| Yeah, for a higher price, right? | ||
| Yeah, so for a slightly, marginally higher price, we can have American production. | ||
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Okay, okay. | |
| But there's also economies of scale. | ||
| It stimulates American industry, and then America's able to produce what China would ordinarily produce. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And America will produce it for a more expensive price because we don't have as cheap of labor as they are. | ||
| It protects the American industry. | ||
| By causing inflation, right? | ||
| Can you agree with me there? | ||
| Marginal. | ||
| Marginal. | ||
| It's marginal. | ||
| Marginal increases. | ||
| But either way. | ||
| We're getting somewhere. | ||
| But it's really not here. | ||
| Well, and I said that earlier. | ||
| So it's the same thing. | ||
| But either way, the Biden administration has tariffs too. | ||
| So it's basically a moot point. | ||
| No, it's not a meat pool, because once again, he wants to impose tariffs on all systems. | ||
| But you disagree with the Biden administration's policy, right? | ||
| Absolutely, right. | ||
| Okay, so what are we even arguing about? | ||
| Trump had tariffs, Biden has tariffs, tariffs protect industry in America, you support that. | ||
| No, so the reason that this is a bad argument is because Trump wants more tariffs, right? | ||
| I don't understand how this isn't evidently clear. | ||
| I think what you're trying to do is kind of confuse people between me saying that tariffs that Biden and Harris imposed were bad and me saying that when Donald Trump is elected, he wants to impose tariffs on all imported goods. | ||
| That's just not true. | ||
| One is worse than another. | ||
| They're not putting tariffs on all imported goods. | ||
| Okay, does he just want to keep the ones on China? | ||
| It's gonna be on pur- I don't know the Trump policy, but it's not on all imported goods. | ||
| That's just a democrat lie. | ||
| Okay, so then how is he gonna pay for the $4.8 trillion associated with this accident? | ||
| You can fact check that. | ||
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Borrowing. | |
| Then how's he gonna pay for the- Borrowing. | ||
| Borrowing from who? | ||
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Like, they pay for all the- Like, how they pay for- Borrowing from- $175 billion to- And what's the biggest expense of our nation- of our government? | |
| Liabilities. | ||
| Liabilities? | ||
| No, it's interest on debt. | ||
| Medicare or Social Security? | ||
| That's totally wrong. | ||
| No, the biggest expense of our federal government is interest on debt. | ||
| Totally wrong. | ||
| Okay, I don't think that's wrong. | ||
| It's liabilities. | ||
| I think that is totally correct. | ||
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Okay, we're wrapping up on time here. | |
| Well, you're wrong on the Trump policy and you're wrong on spending. | ||
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You're just wrong. | |
| We'll give a one minute closing to... Dean started, so one minute closing for Dean and then one minute for Nick. | ||
| Oh, you could go first, Nick. | ||
| Uh, who gave the first opening statement? | ||
| You or me? | ||
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It was Dean who started first. | |
| Yeah, so Dean, we want to let Nick finish. | ||
| That means I go last. | ||
| That means I go last. | ||
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Dean, you start. | |
| And then, Dean, the next one, Nick will start. | ||
| Okay, alright, yeah, that's fine. | ||
| I was just looking first, so I should justify what I said there. | ||
| Uh, so yeah, my closing statement would just be, right, obviously I think that economic policy is a very prime reason to vote for Kamala Harris, uh, because she's gonna make the average American better off. | ||
| Donald Trump is not gonna make the average American, uh, the better off. | ||
| He's gonna make them worse off with his tariffs. | ||
| Right, Nick essentially did concede there, saying that tariffs do cause higher prices for the consumers at the grocery store. | ||
| And then Nick also just kind of says that he doesn't really care about debt, okay? | ||
| So if you want more debt, vote for Donald Trump because he's going to throw 5.8 trillion dollars on our nation's debt. | ||
| Meanwhile, Kamala Harris's proposed tax policy is going to be self-sufficient over the 10-year lifespan of the bill. | ||
| And then one other final point here, there's much more reasons why Kamala Harris is a better candidate than Donald Trump that we didn't get a touch on, such as the fact that we probably shouldn't be voting for a rapist, we probably shouldn't be voting for a religious persecutor, we should probably be voting for the individual that's to enshrine federal protections for all 170 million American women and girls' right to choose, right? | ||
| And plenty of other reasons that we didn't get to, and I'm sad that we didn't, and hopefully we might be able to get back around to it later, but I'll go ahead and continue the rest of my time, take it away. | ||
| Yeah, all right. | ||
| Well, Aiden and Sneko, can we do immigration? | ||
| I feel like that's a big one. | ||
| We could do a few of these other issues. | ||
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Can you just do your statement really quick? | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm just saying, like, can we make that one of the topics? | ||
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Well, that's something that we talked about prior. | |
| Dean, if you would like to as well, we could do that in the next Can you repeat that? | ||
| that I was a little bit. | ||
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You want to talk about immigration or do you want to keep Trump or Kamala going? | |
| We have other subjects, but on the subject of Trump or Kamala. | ||
| You guys didn't agree to that prior, but if you guys want to agree to do an immigration, | ||
| we can do that next. | ||
| It's up to you guys. | ||
| Both of you have to agree. | ||
| Yeah, you just want to see, I mean, like maybe we could throw it in there at the end. | ||
| I mean, get through the four topics we have agreed upon and if there's time, we might | ||
| be able to talk about it. | ||
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So please give your closing statement, Nick. | |
| Yeah, so, I mean, my closing statement on Trump, I don't even think fiscal policy is the biggest issue. | ||
| To me, that's really a side issue. | ||
| And the reason is because both parties are profligate spenders. | ||
| Republicans, Democrats are both profligate spenders. | ||
| Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, they're all huge spenders. | ||
| They're huge spenders on the military. | ||
| They're not touching liabilities. | ||
| You know, there's talk about tax cuts increasing the deficit. | ||
| You could look at the Laffer curve. | ||
| and debate whether that's really the case. | ||
| I mean, the theory behind tax cuts is that it stimulates economic growth, which it certainly | ||
| does. | ||
| It brings in more tax revenue. | ||
| Maybe you find that convincing. | ||
| Maybe you don't. | ||
| The point is, neither party is going to rein in the deficit. | ||
| I just don't think it's an issue. | ||
| In terms of tariffs, the consensus has changed. | ||
| Democrats and Republicans used to be free traders. | ||
| They're not anymore. | ||
| Bill Clinton, Bush, Obama were free traders. | ||
| They're just not anymore. | ||
| Trump is not a free trader. | ||
| Biden's not a free trader. | ||
| Trump has tariffs. | ||
| Biden has tariffs. | ||
| And that's because there's a recognition that we need to have a supply chain in America. | ||
| 85% of the economy in America is services. | ||
| Only 15% Is construction, agriculture and manufacturing. | ||
| And this is a big, it's not only a national security issue, but it's also a jobs issue. | ||
| We need to make stuff in America. | ||
| The only way that we're going to beat these other countries that are undercutting us with wages is with tariffs to protect our industries. | ||
| And yes, that does result in technically marginally higher consumer prices, but it's more important to have good jobs in industry. | ||
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All right, that was good. | |
| So we can, we'll circle back to Trump and Kamala, but to keep it on the subject, we have four very different topics, right? | ||
| Real quick, before, I just want to say thank you both for giving you guys, you know, you guys are very, letting each other talk and stuff. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| But go ahead, Sonequa, I'm sorry to cut you off. | ||
| All right, so the next subject that we agreed upon was Christianity, but to make it interesting, Nick, do you, we can be more specific. | ||
| We can talk about Christian nationalism. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Okay, so the subject will be, is Christian nationalism good or bad? | |
| Okay. | ||
| Well, I believe that America should have a religious government. | ||
| We should have a Christian Catholic government. | ||
| And, you know, we have to face the fact that liberalism has failed. | ||
| I'll give Dean a three minute intro and then we'll go free flowing | ||
| and if it's interruptions, we'll time it. | ||
| But it was, I think it was good so far, but it may take the four and three minutes. | ||
| Okay, well, I believe that America should have a religious government. | ||
| We should have a Christian Catholic government. | ||
| And, you know, we have to face the fact that liberalism has failed. | ||
| And the best example that liberalism is failing is that we're not having enough kids. | ||
| The society, the civilization that doesn't have kids will cease to exist and it will lose. | ||
| And it is losing. | ||
| Liberalism around the world is receding and these more ancient, tribal, perennial cultures are thriving. | ||
| Islam is the fastest growing religion. | ||
| China is on the rise. | ||
| Tribalism, racialism, all these things, all these revanchist, historic ideologies are on the rise. | ||
| And they're all beating back liberalism because liberalism is weak. | ||
| It is ineffectual. | ||
| It's causing all kinds of perversity, degeneracy. | ||
| People are not having kids. | ||
| It's just sort of like anti-human and inimical to the human body. | ||
| So, I mean, in addition to Catholicism and Christianity being true, liberalism He's clearly bankrupt. | ||
| Liberalism is clearly having a hard time. | ||
| I think we should replace our state religion of liberalism with the state religion of Christianity, and I'm interested to see where Dean wants to take it, because obviously it's a huge topic, but I think we should have a Catholic country, not a liberal atheist one. | ||
| Yeah, I think that there's a lot of different ways that a conversation about Christian nationalism can go. | ||
| I mean, I've debated people on Christian nationalism before that will concede even if Christianity's false, right? | ||
| We should still be, alright, a country that upholds Christian nationalism because it promotes better outcomes. | ||
| But I think there's a couple points there that I just like to respond to real quick about declining birth rates. | ||
| Immigration. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Then about, you know, a couple of the other points that you brought up. | ||
| I particularly think that Christian nationalism is bad because it doesn't allow us to effectively legislate. | ||
| Given, like, the Christian religion, right, we are led to believe that particular things are wrong because God said so. | ||
| You said that you're Catholic. | ||
| I think in the Catholic faith you'll kind of have Different range on how bad things are. | ||
| Something can be a mortal sin, a venial sin, but something that I'd say here that is a very absurd conclusion given Christian nationalism is shit like blasphemy. | ||
| So like blasphemy, as defined by the Bible, is the worst sin that anyone can commit. | ||
| Does that mean that people should go to jail for life for blasphemy? | ||
| Well, I don't know because we know that people should go to jail for life for murder, and if blasphemy is worse than murder, and we're operating under a system in a society with a government that legislates on the basis of the Bible and these foundational beliefs as prescribed by Christianity, Are we gonna start sending people to jail for blasphemy, too? | ||
| I don't see how you'd be able to respond to that. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| And then, like, a couple other things that we could say here. | ||
| The Bible promotes very harmful, bad beliefs. | ||
| I mean, 1 Samuel 15 3, God tells Saul and his men to genocide the Amalekite men, women, and girls. | ||
| I bet if I was to engage in a conversation with this guy specifically about 1 Samuel 15 3, he'll end up saying that sometimes genocide's okay. | ||
| Leviticus 25 verses 44 through 46, God tells the Israelites that they can own the non-Israelites as human property for life. | ||
| I mean, if I was to have a conversation with this guy about that topic, he'd end up saying that, no, slavery hasn't always been wrong, alongside other things. | ||
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Right? | |
| So we could talk about how Christianity is false. | ||
| We could talk about how it doesn't allow us to effectively legislate. | ||
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We could talk about the absurdities that are already present in the Bible. | |
| But one last point that I'd like to bring up is if you're going to make an argument on the basis of the efficacy and the outcomes in which it would generate in society, which seemingly you started to there, well, what if we find another religion that generates better outcomes than the one that you hold to? | ||
| Okay, so if the reason that you want a Christian nation is because it will promote human well-being and happiness, people are going to be having more kids and following these commandments, they'll be doing good, no degeneracy, none of that shit, well, what if I told you that the LDS church had even better outcomes than the Catholic church? | ||
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Would you all of a sudden be in support of an LDS-led state? | |
| Probably not! | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Right? | ||
| So that's another contradiction on its own, so feel free to kind of pick and choose there, respond to the point that you want, take it away. | ||
| Yeah, so you said about birth rates or immigration. | ||
| Well, here's the problem, okay? | ||
| One, the people that have liberalism are killing themselves, okay? | ||
| So the people that invented liberalism, that live in liberal societies, literally and figuratively are killing themselves. | ||
| They're committing suicide. | ||
| They're dying from desert despair. | ||
| They're addicted to drugs, all kinds of things. | ||
| They're all dying over there, okay? | ||
| We're dying in America. | ||
| We're dying in Europe. | ||
| No confidence in liberalism. | ||
| They commit suicide, they die from desolate despair, they're addicted to drugs, all kinds | ||
| of things. | ||
| They're all dying over there. | ||
| Okay, we're dying in America, we're dying in Europe. | ||
| And by the way, these people come from non-liberal or illiberal societies, and then their birth | ||
| rate goes down. | ||
| So even if you wanted to argue, oh, well, like, you know, we could salvage liberalism with an endless supply of immigration from illiberal societies that have kids, when they get here, their birth rate goes down. | ||
| And these are not liberal people. | ||
| They come from Illiberal places like China or Africa or Latin America, they come here, they assimilate, and within a few generations the birth rate goes down because liberalism is suicidal. | ||
| With regard to the question about efficacy and outcomes, I'm not arguing that we should have the religion with the best efficacy. | ||
| I said liberalism has failed. | ||
| And we know it's failed because it's committing suicide. | ||
| So clearly liberalism as a system is not working. | ||
| And that's why, you know, it's such a radical notion. | ||
| People think that we would have blasphemy laws or religious laws. | ||
| They think it's a radical notion. | ||
| It's unthinkable. | ||
| The current system. | ||
| Must be replaced. | ||
| It's an imperative. | ||
| It's not a question of, you know, whether or how or anything like that. | ||
| It simply must be because it will cease to exist. | ||
| And so that's really the crux of the argument. | ||
| You know, why it should be Catholicism? | ||
| It's because Catholicism is true. | ||
| But the point I'm trying to make is for people that say it's so radical that we would go backwards. | ||
| I would say we went backwards with liberalism as evidenced by the fact that it's not even reproducing itself. | ||
| And that's a huge problem. | ||
| With regard to the stuff about the Old Testament, I mean, look, the Catholic Church, Christians today are not in favor of genocide or slavery. | ||
| You know, if you want to get into that, this is just like New Atheism 101. | ||
| Like, are you an atheist? | ||
| Let me just say, are you an atheist or something? | ||
| I'm an agnostic, but I wouldn't particularly use these verses in the Bible to say that your religion is false. | ||
| I use these verses in the Bible to say that your religion is absurd. | ||
| I know, wait, wait, wait, but I just wanted to ask you that, and then let me finish the last point. | ||
| So, it's very funny when atheists who have no objective source of morality, it's like, you know, their morality is something like, hey man, just leave everybody alone. | ||
| What if I disagree? | ||
| What if my morality says, well, I want to kill everybody or something? | ||
| What if the majority of people said, our morality says, well, we want to harm, and we want to rape, and we want to do this and that. | ||
| An atheist has no God that says, well, you know, so-and-so has the authority to say this is correct. | ||
| That's a problem. | ||
| And yet, they have a problem with blasphemy laws. | ||
| It is good to have a God that is a source of authority, that gives us our morality, that is unquestionable. | ||
| With regard to the Old Testament, if you want to get into the debate about, you know, what's bad, I would start with the question of how do you know what's bad? | ||
| You claim that certain things are bad. | ||
| You don't know where good and bad comes from. | ||
| And how do we know the good and bad are even real? | ||
| If we're all material, If we're only atoms and we don't have souls, why does it matter what happens to any of us? | ||
| I mean, what is justice? | ||
| Is there such a thing as the conceptual? | ||
| If there is only matter, where is the conceptual? | ||
| Can we see it? | ||
| Can we feel it? | ||
| Is it located somewhere? | ||
| So, well, and I'm making a point here. | ||
| I'll wrap it up quickly. | ||
| So, for an atheist to point to the Old Testament and say, well, you know, how could a God who does these things be so immoral? | ||
| I would say to the godless, what is moral and who are we if we're not just Yeah, well, I mean, I think what needs to be interrogated is the fact that you asked me, well, what do I do if a group of people likes to murder, rape, and kill others? | ||
| viewpoint now with this kind of lame like, Sky Daddy isn't real sort of stuff. | ||
| So, you know, there's just a lot of assumptions there that kind of need to be interrogated. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, I think what needs to be interrogated is the fact that you asked me, | ||
| well, what do I do if a group of people likes to murder, rape and kill others? | ||
| What if God said that? | ||
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Then we would have to do it. | |
| You know, I think that's a question that we need to ask. | ||
| Then we would have to do it! | ||
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Wait, wait, really? | |
| If God told you to rape and kill a baby, would you do it? | ||
| Well, God would never do that because God is good and those things are evil. | ||
| Okay, so raping and killing is evil, so when he commanded people to kill the babies in the Amalekites in 1 Samuel 15 3, that was evil? | ||
| God is telling us to rape and kill babies right now? | ||
| So, specifically about killing, in 1 Samuel 15 3, he did command Saul and his men to kill the Amalekite babies. | ||
| Rape babies? | ||
| He told them to rape babies? | ||
| No, to kill babies. | ||
| Well, yeah, then if I were one of those guys, I would have done it, but not rape them. | ||
| Okay, so if God commanded you to kill a baby today, would you do it? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Okay, so why would you kill a baby, but you wouldn't rape a baby? | ||
| Because that would be... cruel or something. | ||
| Wait, is killing a baby not cruel? | ||
| In the Old Testament, it worked differently. | ||
| No, I'm talking about, you said, you particularly said that you would kill a baby today if God asked you, but you wouldn't rape a baby if God asked you. | ||
| So how come you'd kill a baby today, but not rape a baby? | ||
| Because the context of the Old Testament is that it's a fallen world. | ||
| And that's the context you're talking about. | ||
| You said that in the Old Testament, God said... Dude, we're not talking about the... Dude, please answer my question. | ||
| We literally are. | ||
| This is a damn inanswer. | ||
| You told me today... Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| If we're not talking about the Old Testament, what are we talking about? | ||
| About the fact that you told me today, if God commanded you to kill a baby, you would do it, and then I followed that up by asking you, if God commanded you to rape a baby, would you do it, and you said no because that's cruel. | ||
| But God wouldn't do that because it's evil. | ||
| Okay, so killing a baby today, you would do if God commanded it, but raping a baby today, you wouldn't do because God wouldn't command it because it's evil. | ||
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Are you making the implication that killing a baby today isn't evil? | |
| No. | ||
| What you said is that in the Old Testament- Okay, so then you wouldn't do that either, right? | ||
| Well, hang on, hang on. | ||
| Let's rewind. | ||
| Let's rewind because you said in the Bible God says to rape babies. | ||
| Can you just retract that? | ||
| No, I said kill babies. | ||
| No, if you rewind- No, I said kill babies. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| People can rewind the clip. | ||
| You said kill and rape babies because you gotta- and rape people because you got a little ahead of yourself. | ||
| Because you got a little ahead of yourself. | ||
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Nick, I would literally clear this up so easily. | |
| If I said God commanded Saul and his men to rape babies in 1 Samuel 15 3, I misspoke. | ||
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In 1 Samuel 53, God commands Solomon to kill babies. | |
| But you are not answering my question. | ||
| This is a standing on answer. | ||
| Every single person watching this stream can see that you said if God commanded you to kill a baby today, you said you would do it. | ||
| Can you affirm that fact? | ||
| Can we be serious? | ||
| Can we be serious for a second? | ||
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We are being dead serious. | |
| Can you affirm the fact that you said if God told you to kill a baby, you'd do it? | ||
| Can we be serious? | ||
| Can we grow up? | ||
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Why won't you answer my question? | |
| Well, because we're talking about the Old Testament, are we not? | ||
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Dude, we're talking about today. | |
| How many times do I need to say that? | ||
| You're talking about the Old Testament. | ||
| You're citing the Old Testament. | ||
| You're talking about a specific verse in the Old Testament. | ||
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Oh my god, this is crazy. | |
| Look, you can giggle, but can we confirm that we're talking about the Old Testament? | ||
| Is that correct? | ||
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No. | |
| What are we talking about? | ||
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Exactly. | |
| I'll tell you exactly what we're talking about. | ||
| We are talking about the fact that I asked you a damning hypothetical question. | ||
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I asked you- It's not. | |
| It's a cheap- One moment. | ||
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Do you mind if I have 30 seconds? | |
| It's a cheap context- No. | ||
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No. | |
| It's a cheap context denial. | ||
| You're interrupting me because you don't want me to talk because you know that you're losing. | ||
| Yeah, because the Old Testament says bad things in it. | ||
| I know, I'm a new atheist and I just discovered... Here's my answer to your question, if you'll allow me to answer it. | ||
| I know you want a cheap gotcha question, but let's add a little context. | ||
| The Old Testament takes place in a fallen world. | ||
| We live in a fallen world because we have free will. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| God created human beings. | ||
| Human beings disobeyed God and sinned. | ||
| Because we disobeyed God and sinned, we have the penalty of death, war, shame, guilt, pain at birth, all these things. | ||
| In the fallen world, people kill. | ||
| In the fallen world, people kill. | ||
| People lie, cheat, steal. | ||
| Cain kills Abel. | ||
| In the world, the fallen world, before Jesus Christ arrived, it was a world with slavery and warfare and iniquity. | ||
| It is in this context That God commanded the chosen people to kill certain tribes to establish their survival to secure a line for the coming of the Messiah. | ||
| God does not approve of killing because it says in the Ten Commandments, thou shalt not kill. | ||
| God does not approve of rape because it says thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife. | ||
| And so on and so forth. | ||
| So God obviously does not support Killing, raping, would you kill and rape a baby? | ||
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No. | |
| But in the Bible, God prescribes laws and specific actions at the beginning of the world which was fallen without Christ, without a Savior in sin, for the survival of the chosen people. | ||
| So the rules worked a little bit differently in the Old Testament. | ||
| It doesn't mean that And of course, taking a life in and of itself, hang on, there's a difference everybody knows between killing and murder. | ||
| If I go and murder you for no reason, that's immoral. | ||
| If I kill in self-defense or self-defense of my children, it's a different story. | ||
| God commanding the people of the Old Testament is an extraordinary exception based on the fallen old world. | ||
| That's one. | ||
| When Jesus Christ arrives, he fulfills the law and saves people from hell. | ||
| Before Jesus Christ arrived, nobody could even go to heaven. | ||
| And it was a world of iniquity. | ||
| And Jesus Christ changed and created this modern world that we're living in. | ||
| So, now here's the thing. | ||
| God is the authority. | ||
| If God commands us to... Look, I know it's a complicated issue. | ||
| You can't fit it into a TikTok where you do the destiny drive-by and say, Trump's making your grocery prices higher! | ||
| You know, but it's actually a complicated issue. | ||
| We're talking about evil, the existence of evil. | ||
| So, does that mean that God is not an authority? | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| God is an authority. | ||
| Would God command us to do those things today? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| But if he did, in a hypothetical scenario, we'd have to trust God if we truly believe in God. | ||
| Otherwise, you would say something like, we know more than God, or God is not good, or we're better than God, and that negates the concept of a God or good itself. | ||
| So that's my answer to your, oh, so when you say killing babies, it ties into like abortion policy. | ||
| It's just like cheap, low IQ, left-wing bullshit. | ||
| But anyway, go ahead. | ||
| Cool, thank you. | ||
| So I hear everything that you just said. | ||
| I will give that a great response. | ||
| I sure did. | ||
| But before I give that a response, I wanted to take a brief moment to go back to the question that I was attempting to get you to answer prior. | ||
| I understand that you just kind of gave me the story of the old and new covenant. | ||
| We had different rules before, you know, the Messiah came back down, created a new covenant, whatever. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But the question that I asked you, I answered the question. | ||
| I answered the question. | ||
| You didn't. | ||
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| would you do it?" You said yes. I then asked you, Niquentas, if God commanded you to rape a baby, would you | ||
| do it? And you said, no, that's too cruel. If you'd like to take 15 seconds to | ||
| kind of clear up that gap, like, does that make the implication that killing a | ||
| baby isn't cruel? | ||
| I answered the question. I answered the question. | ||
| You didn't. | ||
| Okay. Is this a debate about Christian nationalism or is this like a weird new atheist? | ||
| By the way, why do you think killing is wrong? | ||
| Where do you get that information from? | ||
| So, first of all, I don't think that killing is inherently wrong. | ||
| I think that murder is wrong, okay? | ||
| Okay, so you agree with me then. | ||
| Right, and then what I'd say here about murder is that's just going to be driven given my intuitions. | ||
| I'm a subjectivist, we all know this, but I think you are too. | ||
| You're a subjectivist. | ||
| Would you agree with me that objectivism can be defined as like a stance independent like truth? | ||
| Uh, it's an independent truth? | ||
| What did you say? | ||
| I didn't hear you. | ||
| Like, a stance independent truth. | ||
| That's what it means. | ||
| A stance independent truth? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Of independent truth or that there is independent truth? | ||
| Okay, wow. | ||
| The sentence construction doesn't make sense. | ||
| Okay, so, like, in, like, philosophy, right, when we're referencing terms such as moral objectivism or moral subjectivism, we define objectivism given, like, uh, when I say murder is wrong, that is true independent of any stance of any act or of any mind, okay? | ||
| When I say something is objectively true. | ||
| Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying. | ||
| I don't understand the, uh, the construction. | ||
| I'm not, you're, you're, like, mumbling to yourself. | ||
| Yeah, I believe, yeah, subjectivism is that there's an independent truth, yes. | ||
| Okay, so is morality independent of God? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, because God is morality. | ||
| God is good. | ||
| So a morality is subject to God. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Could God create a box so heavy he couldn't lift it? | ||
| Yeah, that's great. | ||
| So if you believe that killing is not— Wait, that would be a contradiction. | ||
| I didn't give you a contradiction. | ||
| I just showed you that you're a moral subjectivist. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| So where do you believe that killing is wrong then? | ||
| So you believe it's subjective, you don't believe it's absolutely wrong. | ||
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| 10 minutes guys. | ||
| Great, yeah, so I mean I could go ahead and give you a little bit of an overview of my stance here on morality. | ||
| So, meta-ethically, you know, I'm just gonna be a subjectivist, a relativist, uh, when we like to, uh, when we like to reference, like, why I think things are wrong. | ||
| It's just gonna be, uh, driven, like, given driven by intuitions. | ||
| Uh, I mean, like, we could talk about different moral frameworks. | ||
| I, myself, am what is called a threshold deontologist, meaning that I believe that, uh, like, particular things could be always wrong, but meanwhile we should consider, like, the consequences of others. | ||
| It's pretty interesting. | ||
| Is Holocaust wrong? | ||
| Yeah, the Holocaust was wrong. | ||
| Objectively? | ||
| Uh, no, because objective truths in the context of morality doesn't exist. | ||
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In your opinion, it's wrong. | |
| In accordance with my index standard, it's wrong, yeah. | ||
| But I mean, just saying, oh, you believe in subjectivism, but I'm gonna, like, counter that by asking you, is it objectively wrong? | ||
| That doesn't really achieve anything. | ||
| I could literally ask this question to you. | ||
| What is your qualification? | ||
| Was the Holocaust objectively wrong? | ||
| Of course it was wrong. | ||
| Of course it was objectively wrong. | ||
| But you disagreed with me that morality is subject to God. | ||
| Because morality is God. | ||
| It's identity, not subjectivity. | ||
| Wait, God is identical to morality? | ||
| Yes, God is good. | ||
| God is the good. | ||
| Okay, so when I say that, like, hugging your mom is good, I'm just saying that hugging your mom is God? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay, so can you just say that for me? | ||
| Like, every single time you kiss your wife, that's a really God thing to do? | ||
| Love is good. | ||
| An act of love that expresses love is good. | ||
| God is the good. | ||
| God is being itself. | ||
| We are participating in being. | ||
| Oh wait, now we have some more issues here, because earlier you told me that God would never command you to like, rape a baby because that's evil, but now you're saying that God is identical to goodness. | ||
| Meaning, if God is all-powerful in the sense that he could do anything that's logically possible, and he's identical to goodness, why wouldn't he be able to tell you to rape a baby? | ||
| Did you say grape? | ||
| I did, TikTok words. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| Well, God also tells us that God's plan is very complex. | ||
| Why won't you answer my question? | ||
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Because these are just like low IQ... No, that's not a low IQ point at all. | |
| We're literally talking about what you think goodness is, what its derivative, and how it would apply to your God. | ||
| Actually, we could extrapolate this out to the problem of evil as a whole, right? | ||
| Like you actually said earlier that you think that the Holocaust is objectively wrong. | ||
| Would you say all things... If it happened at all, by the way. | ||
| But yeah, it's like, theoretically, if it happens- What the fuck?! | ||
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Of course it happened! Of course it happened! | |
| Do you see what the fuck- do you see what I'm talking about? | ||
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Like, no. Do you see who the fuck we're talking to, Aiden? | |
| Yeah, this guy's over here saying, Oh my gosh! | ||
| Oh my gosh! | ||
| But then he asks me if the Holocaust is objectively wrong. | ||
| Get a load of this joker. | ||
| Get a load of this joker! | ||
| How about another joke? | ||
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What do you get? | |
| You need to unmute your mic. | ||
| Get a load of this. | ||
| You want to tell me another joke? | ||
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Keep talking. | |
| I'm gonna go ahead and ask you a question. | ||
| What do you say all things considered that the Holocaust is wrong? | ||
| If it were real, yes. | ||
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Yeah, absolutely. | |
| And it is! | ||
| And it absolutely is! | ||
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You're so fucking spineless! | |
| How the fuck can you sit in front of 45,000 people and say that the most well-documented thing that has ever happened in history might not have happened? | ||
| I want to ask you a question. | ||
| How the fuck do you know that Jesus resurrected from the dead, but you don't know if the Holocaust happened? | ||
| Shroud of Turin. | ||
| Please answer that question. | ||
| Shroud of Turin. | ||
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Shroud of Turin. | |
| 100%. | ||
| The Shroud of Turin is a more reliable standard for evidence than the 250 indisputable sources that would justify that the Holocaust exists. | ||
| Listen, this isn't a Holocaust debate. | ||
| Let's try to stay focused. | ||
| This is a Christianity debate. | ||
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No, let's talk about it. | |
| The Shroud of Turin specifically, we had four different groups of scientists take different parts of it. | ||
| I'm just saying 6 million is a lot. | ||
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None of them could date it back to anything after 400 years A.D. | |
| I'm just saying it's a lot of people. | ||
| No, no, I want you to tell me how the fuck you know that Jesus rose from the dead with a lack of any historical evidence that exists from during his lifetime from a first-person experience that you don't think the Holocaust happened. | ||
| This is a factual debate, Kamala. | ||
| Tampon Tim. | ||
| Yeah, go for the M-U-P-O-N, Tim. | ||
| This is about facts. | ||
| One, Shroud of Turin. | ||
| Impossible to create other than with Jesus ascending into heaven. | ||
| That's one. | ||
| Two, all I'm saying is, all I'm saying is, that's a lot of bodies. | ||
| Unless they forgot the technology to cremate them. | ||
| Look, I don't know! | ||
| I wasn't there! | ||
| And you weren't either! | ||
| Wait, so you're telling me that it was absolutely impossible for the Shroud of Turn to exist? | ||
| Oh, you don't know the facts! | ||
| Tell me why the earliest carbon dating on the Shroud of Turn that we've gotten from the material used to create the Shroud of Turn is like from 1200 AD. | ||
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That's not true. | |
| That's not even true. | ||
| They just did a new study on it and they proved it's 100% real. | ||
| Proved it's 100% real. | ||
| It's like super real. | ||
| That's one. | ||
| Two, we have secular historians that testify that Jesus was a real person and was crucified. | ||
| Josephus Tacitus. | ||
| Josephus isn't secular. | ||
| Let's get our facts straight. | ||
| He was a Jewish historian. | ||
| Okay, he was Jewish. | ||
| Okay, he was Jewish. | ||
| I mean non-Christian. | ||
| Thank you for the clarification. | ||
| We're secular, you mean non-Christian? | ||
| Are we good? | ||
| You know what I meant. | ||
| I mean, if you were to say that a Christian source is biased, then arguably a non-Christian source would be unbiased. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| Josephus Tacitus. | ||
| But you also have the earliest versions of the gospel stories going back to the first century. | ||
| The earliest fragments of it go back to the first century. | ||
| And you have people that went to their death. | ||
| That's part of why Christianity spread. | ||
| They went to their death. | ||
| The Christians were martyred, testifying that they saw a resurrected Jesus. | ||
| Liars don't go to their death testifying that something happened if it didn't. | ||
| Certainly not Excuse me, 11 out of 12 of them, or every single one of them. | ||
| And that is the basis of how it spread in the ancient world. | ||
| So, I mean, there's the Shroud of Turin, there's non-Christian historians, there's the fragments of the Gospel. | ||
| There's prophecies that are fulfilled by Jesus in the New Testament. | ||
| The Shroud of Turin, that shit just goes straight out the fucking window. | ||
| We have carbon dated it. | ||
| Not a piece of it dates back to when Jesus was alive in accordance with Josephus and Tacitus, which you reported. | ||
| Carbon dating is flawed. | ||
| Carbon dating is flawed. | ||
| And that's not true. | ||
| It's earlier than it is, but we just don't know it. | ||
| And that's not true. | ||
| Well, one, it's not real. | ||
| Because carbon dating says it like dinosaurs do. | ||
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And how do we know that it was from Jesus? | |
| And two, there was a recent study done that showed that it literally would not even be possible, using the technology at the time, to create a forgery. | ||
| So, it had to have been created by something with luminosity that just didn't exist back then for it to imprint throughout the entire shroud. | ||
| They didn't have that kind of technology back then. | ||
| Wait, I have a question. | ||
| It's impossible to create it any other way. | ||
| Do you mind if I ask you a question here? | ||
| Okay, so I like this argument. | ||
| Let's just go ahead and say that you're right. | ||
| It was impossible to create without some sort of divinity. | ||
| Jesus Christ is a prophet of the Islamic religion. | ||
| Can you please give me any reason to believe that Christianity is true, more so than Islam being true? | ||
| That's just a stupid question because... That this luminosity could be granted, either Islam being true or Christianity being true? | ||
| Let me ask you this question. | ||
| Do you know what Muslims believe about Jesus Christ and the crucifixion? | ||
| Can you tell me? | ||
| The prophet of God, he didn't actually die on the cross, someone else stepped in his shoes... Oh! | ||
| Oh! | ||
| So what was the Shroud of Turin, do you know? | ||
| Oh, it was over him and the burial. | ||
| Ah, so how would we know Islam isn't true? | ||
| Well, let's see, if he wasn't actually crucified, then how would they lay the shroud over his body and his soul leave to make the imprint? | ||
| So it doesn't, you don't even know what you're talking about. | ||
| I mean, no, you don't know what you're talking about, because given the Islamic religion... Try to work it out on the fly, doesn't even know, doesn't even know the order of, how could it, how could the Muslim Jesus leave the shroud of Torah and imprint if he was never crucified and then therefore resurrected? | ||
| No, because what did they say about the person that was crucified? | ||
| Hello? | ||
| What did they say about the person that was crucified? | ||
| Who did he look like? | ||
| Who did he present as? | ||
| But he wasn't Jesus, so he wouldn't have ascended into heaven and left the luminosity. | ||
| It would be his lookalike. | ||
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Oh my god! | |
| Oh, that's terrible! | ||
| Yeah, you could say that, but you don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| Oh wait, I don't know what I'm- No, normal people, they said it was a body double. | ||
| Someone who looked like Jesus. | ||
| Normal people don't leave a luminous imprint on the shroud they put on them at the point of death. | ||
| So the lookalike wouldn't have done that. | ||
| Wait, I'm just curious. | ||
| Can you give me the study? | ||
| I don't know the name of it off the top of my head, but it was recently completed. | ||
| You should investigate it. | ||
| You'd probably become a Christian if you're being objective, even though you just stumbled and you don't know what Islam is. | ||
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Real quick, let's do a two-minute closing statement. | |
| We're going to start with you, Nick. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So, I mean, the good news is we just had a platform to demonstrate the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus. | ||
| You do have real archaeological evidence like the Shroud of Turin. | ||
| You have the Gospels. | ||
| You have the secular historians. | ||
| No serious historian would testify that Jesus wasn't real or didn't live or wasn't crucified. | ||
| And if Christianity thread throughout the Roman Empire, it's because of the well-documented martyrdom of the disciples of the early church. | ||
| If you would go to your death testifying that something, a lie or a fabrication didn't happen, you know, then maybe you believe they all faked it. | ||
| I think that you go to your death only if you saw something true. | ||
| And even still, people won't tell the truth if they're afraid of the mafia. | ||
| You would only go to your death telling the truth if it was God in the flesh. | ||
| So, I think that's just all obvious. | ||
| With all that being said, we should have a Catholic government. | ||
| We all have a conscience. | ||
| The moral law comes from God. | ||
| It's also written on our hearts, and we know it. | ||
| And that's where our intuition comes from, this subjective idea that we get from rationality or empiricism that murder is wrong, that rape is wrong, the same objections agnostics and atheists raise against the Bible. | ||
| You know, and the thing is about the Old Testament, if people are turned off by that, it really | ||
| just amounts to the problem of evil itself. | ||
| Evil exists in the world. | ||
| It was created by a good God. | ||
| This is answered by the philosophical concept of the privation of evil. | ||
| Prior to the coming of Jesus Christ, it was a world without the good, and therefore it | ||
| was evil, and thus there was no mercy, compassion, those sorts of things. | ||
| But it's a very complicated topic. | ||
| I hope people aren't turned off when they hear, you know, bad things happen in the ancient | ||
| world, therefore there can be no God. | ||
| It's obviously false. | ||
| So anyway, so that's just the long and short of the whole Christian debate distilled. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
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So I'll go to give my closing statement now. | |
| First about the Shroud of Turin, anyone watching, feel free to look up any of the multiple groups of scientists that have dated the Shroud of Turin. | ||
| Not a single one of them have been able to place a date on the Shroud of Turin from a point when Jesus was alive. | ||
| So that's automatically thrown out of the window. | ||
| About Nick's second point there, specifically about the people that went to their deaths after seeing the quote-unquote resurrected Jesus, this is something we see in all religions. | ||
| I want you to go ahead and look at Prophet Muhammad's grandson in the context of the Islamic religion. | ||
| He was martyred because of his beliefs in his grandfather being a prophet of God. | ||
| That's present always. | ||
| If this makes a religion true, all religions would be true. | ||
| About your third point about the historicity of Jesus Christ, we have no first-hand accounts about Jesus Christ or his life. | ||
| I do think that he was a real man that lived and died via a crucifixion. | ||
| But Josephus, Tacitus, all these people came long after he died, and I think it's crazy that you're gonna sit here and say that we have sufficient historical evidence to justify that Jesus Christ died and resurrected from the dead, but we don't have historical evidence to justify that the Holocaust happened and 6 million Jewish people died. | ||
| I can give you a source right now that 6 million people did die. | ||
| In fact, I could give you 200. | ||
| For everyone watching, look up holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com. | ||
| It will give you an index to publish evidence on mass extermination in Auschwitz in Germany. | ||
| There will be over 200 sources there. | ||
| Much more abundant evidence than what he could ever give for the existence of Jesus Christ and the idea that he's our God. | ||
| So already contradictory there. | ||
| And about the last point about the problem of evil, you said that the privation of evil was the fact that there wasn't a lot of good before Jesus came? | ||
| No, the privation of evil is an ontological statement of evil, okay? | ||
| So you don't know what your philosophical terms mean. | ||
| You're also confusing what the problem of evil is, okay? | ||
| Right? | ||
| I would say my problem of evil would be the fact if God's all good. | ||
| God's all perfect, and God's all powerful, and nothing evil should exist in the world that we live in. | ||
| I wish that we could have a longer discussion about this, man. | ||
| Get into philosophy, show you that you don't know shit. | ||
| But I guess we're gonna move on to the next topic. | ||
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Thank you, guys. | |
| That's funny. | ||
| We're gonna do topic number three. | ||
| Is, uh... Is homosexuality bad? | ||
| And we'll start with Dean again. | ||
| I'll give you a three-minute intro. | ||
| Same thing the next three minutes, and then I like the free phone. | ||
| It's been good so far. | ||
| I probably won't need all three minutes. | ||
| It'll be pretty easy. | ||
| I don't think that being gay is wrong because there's no good reason to believe that it | ||
| is wrong. | ||
| There are just multiple arguments that anyone could probably give me. | ||
| One would just be gay wrong because Sky Daddy says so in the Bible. | ||
| Another argument he can give me is something to do with like telos, like the natural function of our bodies. | ||
| It would indicate that we have a prescriptive purpose on how we're supposed to use them. | ||
| That's not how we're supposed to use them. | ||
| I'd say that doesn't exist. | ||
| At the end of the day, my stance is clear. | ||
| Being gay is not wrong because there's no reason for it to be wrong. | ||
| And I guess we'll just hear Nick's reason why it is wrong because that's probably where we're going to start. | ||
| So I'll concede the rest of my time. | ||
| Take it away, Nick. | ||
| Okay, yeah, um, I love the Sky Daddy thing. | ||
| It's like the idea that there's a transcendent God. | ||
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You think there's a man in the clouds and I don't because I listen to science. | |
| It's just like the most brain-dead new atheist. | ||
| I'm surprised this stuff still exists. | ||
| Bro, you told me that you'd kill a baby if God told you to. | ||
| Hey, Dean, Dean, Dean. | ||
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You have three minutes that are up. | |
| Dean, Dean, no more interruptions. | ||
| Yeah, silence! | ||
| Silence while I attack your position! | ||
| So, here's the thing, okay? | ||
| The homosexuality thing, I mean, we could argue that the faculty of the reproductive organs is to have sex. | ||
| The purpose of them is to have sex. | ||
| We have sexual organs to have sex, and sex is for the purpose of insemination, procreation, that's what it is. It's not—we | ||
| can't get too creative. It always ends the same way, and it's made for one purpose. We could | ||
| argue that there is a prohibition of it in the Catholic catechism and in the Bible, but I don't | ||
| even think we need to go that far. | ||
| It's really a question of whether we think people can do whatever they want. | ||
| And this gets back to morality. | ||
| If your conception of morality comes from, you know, a vague idea of empathy or do no harm, you know, against harm, then you would say there's nothing necessarily wrong with suicide, drug abuse, homosexuality, gluttony. | ||
| You know, laziness, all kinds of other behaviors, because people say, we own our bodies, we can make decisions, we're empowered, and we can kind of do whatever we want, as long as we don't interfere with other people, as long as there's not an imposition on other people. | ||
| That's really the fundamental premise. | ||
| I reject that premise. | ||
| I think that because we're created beings, we're created with a sense of dignity. | ||
| Our souls and our bodies are connected, and God wants us to be dignified. | ||
| And I think we all recognize that there are things that are dignified and things that are undignified. | ||
| It's undignified to be an addict. | ||
| It's undignified to be lazy. | ||
| It's undignified to undergo a transgender surgery. | ||
| It's undignified to do plastic surgery. | ||
| And yes, it is undignified to engage in sodomy. | ||
| One minute. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| One minute? | ||
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Yeah, one minute. | |
| So, you know, sodomy is something that is violent, it's filthy, it's undignified, and I think it's a travesty. | ||
| It's such an unfortunate thing. | ||
| You know, people celebrated the way these flags, but they're waving a flag of really a filthy and violent and gross act that I think any, you know, anybody has a natural sense of morality would reject it. | ||
| So, I mean, I just think it's disgusting and things that are disgusting are probably wrong. | ||
| Okay, your argument, it's disgusting, therefore it's wrong. | ||
| Hey Nick, got a question. | ||
| Is shitting disgusting? | ||
| Uh, no. | ||
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Shitting is wrong! | |
| Good point. | ||
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That's a good point. | |
| That's the argument you're getting. | ||
| I never thought of it that way. | ||
| You said, you said it's disgusting, therefore it's wrong. | ||
| Yeah, shit, shitting, that's pretty gross. | ||
| It's a pretty good heuristic, yeah. | ||
| It's a pretty good... Well, and look. | ||
| That's, that's, that's the account, that's part of it. | ||
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Well, if you want to, yeah, okay, if you want to talk about... It's literally so fucking simple. | |
| Like, I mean, if your argument is, oh, this is aesthetically unpleasing, therefore I find it disgusting, therefore I'm going to describe it as being morally wrong. | ||
| This is just, like, so low IQ. | ||
| First of all, do you mind if I... No, it's not low IQ. | ||
| Go ahead, yeah, go ahead. | ||
| Explain, explain, explain your, uh, your syllogism. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| So anyways, here's my perspective. | ||
| You're just saying that you find it disgusting given your subjective mental states that lead you to the conclusion that it is something that's non-aesthetic. | ||
| I think it's funny that you're giving me this argument when you've been chirping down my throat for the last 30 minutes that we need to rely on some objective standard to tell us what's right and wrong even when we disagree. | ||
| But now you're like, oh, my mental states are not conducive towards me finding this to be aesthetically pleasing, therefore it's morally wrong. | ||
| It's just a little bit, you know, out of reach for you. | ||
| But overwhelmingly, I don't even know if I should give a dignified response to what you just told me. | ||
| Nick just said, I don't like it, therefore it's wrong. | ||
| You also referenced a couple other things there about just engaging in dignified actions. | ||
| Once again, that's another, I don't like it, therefore it's wrong, right? | ||
| I could say that being Nick Fuentes and talking about how six million people didn't die at the Holocaust is undignified, and all of a sudden, in my worldview, you're going to fucking jail, right? | ||
| But I think that if you're gonna make the argument that it's either wrong to be gay or it's wrong to engage in same-sex intercourse, You're gonna have to give me a little bit more reason than the fact that it doesn't align with what's aesthetically pleasing to you. | ||
| Are you gay? | ||
| Let me- Are you gay, just to establish for the debate? | ||
| No, I'm straight. | ||
| Unlike you, I'm empathetic. | ||
| I'm able to place myself in other people's shoes and see the world from a perspective and realize- You're empath- You place yourself in gay people's shoes? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, and I can see how terrible people like you are. | ||
| To imagine what it would be like to be gay? | ||
| No, I imagine what it would be like to be at the receiving end of your fucking tyranny. | ||
| The receiving end? | ||
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You empathize with the receiving end, huh? | |
| What is that like? | ||
| Yeah, like the tyranny of you and the other, like, white Christians that just come out and say, Oh, tyranny. | ||
| Gay so bad, therefore we're gonna persecute these people. | ||
| If you're empathizing with a gay man, are you gay? | ||
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Okay. | |
| Interesting. | ||
| Do you think about, like, gay sex? | ||
| Do you empathize with gay sex at all? | ||
| Why is it always the homophobic straight men that want to talk about gay sex? | ||
| It's a debate about homosexuality. | ||
| Yeah, but you're getting a little bit too personal. | ||
| Nick, I have a girlfriend. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I'm just asking. | ||
| I'm just asking. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I'm just asking. | ||
| One of the many. | ||
| One of the many. | ||
| So, here's the thing. | ||
| I didn't say if it's disgusting, it's wrong. | ||
| What I mean is, it's a pretty good heuristic that something is disgust—if something is found to be disgusting, it's probably wrong. | ||
| And here's—you brought up fecal matter. | ||
| You brought up—you said shit. | ||
| I'll say fecal matter. | ||
| I'll be polite. | ||
| Fecal matter is offensive to us. | ||
| It has an offensive odor, it has an offensive look, and so on. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Why do we find it disgusting? | ||
| Why are we repelled by it? | ||
| Because if we were to handle it and touch it, we would get sick and die. | ||
| If we were to eat it, we would get sick and die. | ||
| If we don't properly dispose of it, it would poison the community and we would die. | ||
| So, the act of excreting waste is not an evil act, but fecal matter in itself, it disgusts us on an instinctual basis for a very good reason. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| And that's why it's a heuristic. | ||
| And we find the same thing about surgery and blood, you know, and about snakes and about spiders. | ||
| There's a reason for that. | ||
| And the same thing is true about homosexuality. | ||
| Now, it's like, you look at the homosexual act. | ||
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Okay, if it's you- Do you mind if I respond to that? | |
| Yeah, go ahead. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, you're just- Further, like, I look at it- Further what? | ||
| You're just not hearing me. | ||
| So, I am. | ||
| I am. | ||
| So, this same intuition- You're not empathizing. | ||
| The same intuition that you're describing to me and like the other how many people are | ||
| watching I don't even know, is essentially that you have this innate driven psychological | ||
| response that when you look at this it's bad. | ||
| You kind of related this to looking at shit and because when you look at shit it's bad, | ||
| you know, that's like driven via the fact that if you eat it, it could give you like | ||
| bacteria, it can make you sick, whatever. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| But here's my point. | ||
| The same innate like prejudice driven response that you are holding towards gay people that | ||
| lead you to the conclusion that it's thereby wrong is the same innate driven prejudice | ||
| response from white supremacists towards black people. | ||
| So what would you say to a white supremacist giving you the same exact argument that you're giving me about gay people but about black people? | ||
| What if they made the argument that they just feel on some innate behavioral level that it is just wrong to be black? | ||
| When I look at black people I feel this way and that way, the same way that you're describing to me right now. | ||
| And the reason that I think this point is so important to bring up here is, well, you're just describing your prejudice. | ||
| Okay, well I would say first of all, I don't have a prejudice against gay people. | ||
| I really don't. | ||
| I'm describing the act. | ||
| I'm describing the act of what they're doing, which is filthy. | ||
| If you look at a guy walking down the street, for the most part, like, let's say it was a guy wearing, like, guy's clothes, but he was gay. | ||
| You wouldn't know he was gay. | ||
| And your disgust reflex wouldn't be triggered. | ||
| But when you think about sodomy, when you think about sodomy, which involves a whole host of gross stuff. | ||
| I mean, they have to take drugs to loosen their buttholes. | ||
| They have to flush out their buttholes of poo because the penis is going where poo is. | ||
| This is disgusting stuff. | ||
| And the idea of it's disgusting. | ||
| And it's the act which is disgusting. | ||
| So it's got nothing really to do with prejudice or anything like that. | ||
| It's that the act itself... Hang on, hang on, hang on. | ||
| And by the way, it's also universal. | ||
| It's universal and it's instinctual. | ||
| There was a study that was done, for example, that said that men who witnessed two gay men kissing had the same disgust reflex as seeing maggots. | ||
| I'm sure you've heard of that. | ||
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Nick, I'm just trying to get you to recognize... Can you not interrupt me? | |
| Why do you interrupt me every single time? | ||
| I'm trying to make a point here. | ||
| A white business owner in the 1960s would have said the same thing that you're saying about gay people right now. | ||
| about black people going into their business. | ||
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No. | |
| I asked you a question, the reason why I'm interrupting you here is because you're not giving me a response. | ||
| It's a false syllogism. | ||
| It's a false syllogism. | ||
| You're bringing in white supremacy to ho- Homosexuality is a behavior. | ||
| Can I tell you particularly? | ||
| No, homosexuality is not a behavior. | ||
| It is a behavior. | ||
| Okay, so what do you say that a behavior would involve action? | ||
| Obviously, homosexuality is a behavior. | ||
| It means, if a man, if a man is attracted to another man, but never has sex, is he really homosexual? | ||
| Oh, wait, I have a question. | ||
| Was Jesus straight? | ||
| I don't think he had a sexuality, because he was God. | ||
| Okay, so it's perfect not to be attracted to women because Jesus was perfect and he wasn't attracted to women? | ||
| What are these false... It's always just like bullshit. | ||
| I have a question. | ||
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You don't like gay people? | |
| What about white people not liking black people? | ||
| Was Jesus straight? | ||
| What'd you say here? | ||
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Huh? | |
| You said if you never engage in gay sex then you're not gay. | ||
| So, Nick... I didn't say that. | ||
| I said homosexuality is sex... is an act. | ||
| It's an act. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| So you said if you don't engage in gay sex, you're not homosexual because homosexual is predicated on the action. | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| I said it's an action. | ||
| Yeah, so you're telling me if you don't engage in that action, then you're not that. | ||
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Dude, how fucking... Do I need to write it on a piece of paper? | |
| If you are a person that engages in that act, you are that person. | ||
| Right, so no. | ||
| What I'm telling you is that sexual orientations are not defined upon the actions that you engage in. | ||
| What are they defined on? | ||
| On your attractions, right? | ||
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And I'll give you a really good reason to believe this. | |
| Nick, at what age should you lose your virginity? | ||
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Like 25? | |
| I haven't. | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| I'm Catholic. | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| When do you get married? | ||
| Nick, you're not straight by your definition because you've never engaged in the action of heterosexual intercourse. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| I'm asexual. | ||
| I'm an asexual incel. | ||
| You can't get out of this one. | ||
| So you're gonna make a joke because you know you can't get out of this one. | ||
| It's not a joke! | ||
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Wait, so Nick, you're not straight? | |
| Not yet. | ||
| But I will be. | ||
| Nick Fuentes is not straight. | ||
| Nick Fuentes is not straight, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| I want to make that one clear. | ||
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I want to make that one very, very clear. | |
| That was good. | ||
| So do you now see why we should predicate the definition of- My sexuality is incel. | ||
| It's involuntarily celibate. | ||
| So do you now see why we should predicate the definition of, like, straight and gay based upon attraction? | ||
| No, no, I think homosexuality's an act. | ||
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Oh, okay, okay. | |
| So if you think being straight's an act too. | ||
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Alright, so Nick Fuentes is not- Okay, that's the absurdity that I'll reach. | |
| If you want to say that, like, being straight is predicated based upon the action, then go for it. | ||
| It just means that Nick Fuentes isn't straight, okay? | ||
| And then also, I want to talk about that action. | ||
| You're empathizing with gay people. | ||
| If you're envisioning yourself being gay, you're not straight either, buddy. | ||
| If you're empathizing, if you're getting in their head, getting in their shoes, getting in their wherever, Okay, okay. | ||
| I don't know, I think it seems like you're kind of all the above. | ||
| But, I mean look, this is really childish. | ||
| The question is whether it's moral. | ||
| Please tell me about your empathy. | ||
| I want to hear about it. | ||
| Which partner do you empathize more with? | ||
| The one that's on top or the one that's on bottom? | ||
| I'm curious. | ||
| Where's the empathy directed? | ||
| Right, I got a question. | ||
| God's all-knowing, right? | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So God knows what it's like to get fucked in the ass by two dudes. | ||
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So if God empathizes with it, why can't I? | |
| That's great. | ||
| Very good. | ||
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Very good. | |
| No, God doesn't empathize with those people. | ||
| God casts those people off. | ||
| Oh, terrible. | ||
| Terrible. | ||
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Oh, that's so bad. | |
| That's great. | ||
| It's very low IQ humor. | ||
| Uh, it's very low IQ humor. | ||
| No, you're getting fucking dunked on repeatedly. | ||
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I thought you'd be a better debater. | |
| You're the guy that said you're empathizing with gay people, and you're saying that poo isn't filthy or something? | ||
| Oh no, so once again, my argument was, is that you have absolutely no reason to believe that being gay is wrong, and the existence of yourself alongside others just like you, that hold this baseless, trivial prejudice, has led to generations of members of the LGBT- One moment, let me cook. | ||
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Unless the generations of members of the LGBT community... Let me cuck. | |
| You're getting a little bit frustrated. | ||
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Sir, do I need to put the polka dots? | |
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Give us the whole acronym. | ||
| Yeah, so generations of the LGBTQ plus community, right, have lived under an oppressive system because people like you like to open up the front door of their house and then scream and shout how wrong it is to love another person in a consentful adult and non-incestuous relationship. | ||
| It is absolutely fucking insane to me, and here, you're gonna say, you're gonna say, oh Dean, you're boring me because I'm able to empathize with other humans. | ||
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Is that like a new concept to you? | |
| Oh brother, yeah, no, because you're a really good person. | ||
| Being in favor of gay sex means you're a really good person and you empathize with people and care. | ||
| It has nothing to do with whether you believe there's a natural law or anything and things we ought to do or not do with our bodies. | ||
| It's because you're a really fucking wholesome good person. | ||
| You're a wholesome chungus. | ||
| What reason do you have to believe, right, that It's bad. | ||
| Look, homosexuality is bad for people. | ||
| I mean, it's an unnatural act because it's incompatible. | ||
| Wait, can you define unnatural? | ||
| It's unnatural. | ||
| It's filthy. | ||
| It's violent. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| I mean, what is a sexual act? | ||
| What is a sexual act? | ||
| Wait, can you please define unnatural? | ||
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Ten minutes, guys. | |
| Ten minutes on this topic. | ||
| Yeah, like, the sexual act... That's contrary to its purpose, contrary to its nature. | ||
| Okay, so you're saying it's contrary to its nature. | ||
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Yes. | |
| So you're saying that, like, every part of your body has a nature, the nature of the penis isn't to enter into an asshole? | ||
| Correct, yes. | ||
| Okay, what's the nature of your lips? | ||
| To do everything that a lip does. | ||
| Like eat food, talk, speak, that? | ||
| I'm sure, yeah. | ||
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So it's wrong to kiss your girlfriend because that's going against- No, they're made for that too. | |
| They're made for that. | ||
| That has a purpose in sexuality as well. | ||
| If you could say that your lips are made for kissing your girlfriend, why can't I say that the pee-pee's made for being inserted into the asshole? | ||
| Because the asshole isn't meant to be penetrated. | ||
| Because when that happens, it has long-term health effects. | ||
| You could look. | ||
| There are a lot of, like, ex-homosexuals that talk about how they have long-term... I mean, I don't want to get graphic, but they have to wear diapers. | ||
| They have to wear diapers. | ||
| Because it's not natural. | ||
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So long-term health effects equal unnatural. | |
| Uh, yeah, if you're persistently doing something that leads to long-term chronic problems like that, yeah. | ||
| Also, it's dirty, and that's why there's disease that results from that as well. | ||
| I think that this is another trivial argument. | ||
| Would you say that it's wrong to play the piano because you're unnaturally using your fingers to hit the keys that could lead to long-term health effects? | ||
| No, because it's not contrary to its nature. | ||
| Oh wait, but it leads to long-term negative health effects, and some people it could lead to like their hands seizing up, or I forget the particular word, but it essentially leads to very like bad long-term health effects like within the hands. | ||
| So like, given your logic, why wouldn't you say that it's wrong to play the piano? | ||
| Granted, right, that it's not in the nature, right, that was a trivial assumption, and it leads to negative long-term health effects. | ||
| Well, it's obvious because, because, I mean, what do we, what do we call the penis? | ||
| It's a sexual organ. | ||
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It's for the purpose of sex. | |
| Fingers are a little bit different. | ||
| Lips are a little bit different. | ||
| They have all kinds of different potential utilities and things like that. | ||
| But the sexual organ is directed towards the sexual function. | ||
| I mean, why do we... The reason the penis is shaped like it is, the reason... Okay, now you're going to interrupt me. | ||
| The reason that it's shaped like it is, and positioned where it is, and all those things, it's for one purpose. | ||
| The reason that it... I mean, not to get graphic, but the reason it does all the things it does is for the purpose of insemination. | ||
| It's not for the purpose of inseminating a person's colon or rectum. | ||
| And, by the way, a butthole has literally one purpose, okay? | ||
| A butthole has one purpose, which is to excrete waste. | ||
| Not for other things like that. | ||
| Okay, so do you mind if I give you my stance on this? | ||
| I'm gonna give you my stance. | ||
| Yeah, let's hear it. | ||
| Well, it is a debate, so I wouldn't mind that at all, actually. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, I don't think that we could prescriptively define the function of, like, any part of our body, or really, like, anything for that matter. | ||
| We could only descriptively define them. | ||
| Like, I could give you a good analogy here. | ||
| Like, if you went to, like, a hardware store, like Lowe's or Home Depot, right, and you went to buy a hammer, and the instruction manual on this hammer tells you that it's supposed to put nails into wood, well, I mean, all of a sudden, you are misusing the hammer if you're not putting nails in the wood. | ||
| But if you go into the middle of the forest and you find a rock in the shape of a hammer identical to the one in Lowe's, you're not doing anything wrong regardless of how you use it because there wasn't any intention behind its design. | ||
| And that's exactly what I would say about the human anatomy. | ||
| There was no conscious intention behind the design of the human anatomy. | ||
| I think that we could descriptively define how we use parts of our body, and I think you kind of implicitly conceded to this earlier when you told me that it's in my nature to use my hands to play the piano or to use my mouth to kiss my girlfriend. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those are not intentful, prescriptive claims that you're making about the function or use | ||
| of my hands. | ||
| These are going to be descriptions about how we can use my hands, about how we can use | ||
| my lips, and that's exactly how I'd reference these sexual organs. | ||
| And the only way for you to justify your claim, that there is intention behind the design | ||
| of the human anatomy to justify that there's incorrect uses of it, would be God. | ||
| And of course, I dispute the existence of God. | ||
| You couldn't prove that God exists. | ||
| If we had 30 minutes, I could be able to give you an argument to show that it's logically | ||
| impossible for the Christian God to exist. | ||
| So I think what it's best for you to do right now is to either concede your position or | ||
| just say it outright. | ||
| You think being gay is wrong because God said so. | ||
| You think being gay is wrong because you trivially believe that God built our bodies to function in a particular manner that is adjacent to the use that you like to describe to our fingers or to our mouths. | ||
| Say it out loud. | ||
| Well, like I said, if you were listening at the very beginning of my opening statement, I said we are created and we are ensouled and our souls and our bodies have to be treated with dignity. | ||
| And yes, you're 100% right. | ||
| I mean, if you believe that if you're a nihilist or a materialist and you believe there's only matter and everything is subjective, then yeah, like there's no problem with putting this in there and that over there. | ||
| But if you think that we are created and if you think there is such a thing as a natural law and a moral law, Then we would have to abide by what we can assume are these functions, or what we are told are the functions by revelation. | ||
| If you believe in a religion with revelation, then it's revealed. | ||
| If you believe in a religion which is philosophical, then you have to deduce it rationally. | ||
| When you look at something like the anus, you know, E. Michael Jones has a famous quote about this, the anus is not a sex organ. | ||
| It's obviously not. | ||
| It's there for one purpose. | ||
| And I think, you know, we all sort of know, like, yeah, of course you can do these things. | ||
| No one's arguing that you can't. | ||
| Of course you can. | ||
| It can be done. | ||
| You're capable of doing it. | ||
| The question is ought. | ||
| Should we do these things? | ||
| You know, and if these things are contrary to their nature, and there's evidence that this is the case because they result in problems, then we probably shouldn't. | ||
| And you don't even necessarily need to believe in God to understand that. | ||
| I think that, hang on, I'm not totally finished. | ||
| I think that even if you don't believe in God, I think there are a lot of people that actually don't believe in God that still find it to be a A kind of degenerative, indulgent, but hang on, undignified practice. | ||
| I'm not finished yet. | ||
| You're very disrespectful in that way. | ||
| I'm so respectful and you're being very rude the way you're chirping with these little eruptions. | ||
| And the thing is, I mean, let's imagine what it is when they're walking down the street waving that flag. | ||
| It represents A filthy violent act where you're evacuating fecal matter out of your bowels to make room for sex and it's never fully gone and this is why they get AIDS because you're putting a sexual organ where the shit is and that's just something that like yeah is objectively gross I think for very good reasons which is a pretty good heuristic that it's also immoral and so | ||
| You know, people that are same-sex attracted, people that are tolerant of same-sex attracted persons, and people that are not, I think, should all be able to recognize that sodomy is something that is, there's something deeply wrong with it, and it should be avoided, even if you're not religious. | ||
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Let's do closing statements, one minute each, I'll give one minute to Dean, and then one minute to Nick, we'll go on to the next topic. | |
| Great, thank you so much. | ||
| So Nick Fuentes made two arguments. | ||
| The first argument that Nick Fuentes made was that I think it's gross, therefore it's wrong. | ||
| In Nick's closing statement, what he will not do is give me the logical distinction with him saying, gay gross, therefore wrong, and a white supremacist saying, being black gross, therefore wrong. | ||
| There's no logical distinction between the way in which those two beliefs were formed, and he won't be able to give it to me. | ||
| The second argument that Nick made here was that we can deduce that it's not within the teleological use of these sex organs to use them in such a manner where the penis is inserted into the anus, because doing so can reap long-term negative outcomes. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Right? | ||
| He will not be able to give me the difference between saying, this is why gay sex is wrong, and me saying, well, it's wrong to play the piano, because when you use your hands to do so, this can reap negative long-term outcomes, such as arthritis. | ||
| So, those two arguments alone show us all that Nick's logic here is unreliable because of the absurdities in which they yield. | ||
| Right, if the same logic that you're using to justify that being gay is wrong could lead a white supremacist to the conclusion that being black is wrong, and lead a dumbass to the conclusion that playing the piano is wrong, maybe your logic isn't that sound. | ||
| And I think that's gonna be my closing statement. | ||
| If Nick Fuentes was honest with us here, folks, he would tell us that being gay is wrong because he's just, uh, a little bit prejudiced, don't you think? | ||
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Okay, that was a bit over. | |
| Nick, I'll give you 90 seconds to close here. | ||
| Alright, yeah. | ||
| I don't know why we got to do the debate club stuff. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, what Nick Fuentes is going to try and... It's like this is a very... We're on Aiden Ross, okay, bitch? | ||
| This is Aiden Ross live. | ||
| There's no rules here, okay, other than the time limit. | ||
| My closing statement is very simple. | ||
| It's just like how I started. | ||
| If you believe, and I tend to think that every decent person does, even if you're not Christian or necessarily religious, if you believe that we are more than just matter, meaning that we have souls, meaning that there is something deeper, there's a ghost in the machine that is a true source of identity, if you believe that the universe is created and we're created, then you believe that moral conduct is not just about avoiding harm or hurting people. | ||
| There's also a way to conduct your moral life independently. | ||
| And it's how you treat yourself. | ||
| It's your actions. | ||
| We all understand there's an idea of discipline, cleanliness, all those kinds of things. | ||
| And the idea of sodomy, which people should think of when they think of homosexuality, I think according to any decent person in any culture, is something that is violent, filthy, And those things tend to be wrong. | ||
| It's contrary to the nature of sex, what we know the anus and the penis to be for, you know, or, you know, for lesbians for that matter, it's contrary to the purpose of those things. | ||
| And I would say that on top of all that, you have evidence that this is the case because there's such a low incidence of it. | ||
| It's a very small percentage of the population, has a very high coincidence with mental illness, and there's a very common family pattern that produces Hey, Aiden, I have no more on this subject, Dean. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| What does Dean want to talk about? | ||
| Okay, it's a very particular kind of behavior that's a response to things. | ||
| It should be avoided. I think any decent person realizes that. | ||
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Hey, Aiden. | |
| I know more on this subject, Dean. | ||
| Hold on. What is Dean Wendlandt's? Yes, Dean. | ||
| Well, I mean, I would like to propose giving Nick another 60 seconds | ||
| to respond to my closing statement. | ||
| As I pointed out in my closing statement, he wouldn't respond to the arguments I gave, and he still didn't. | ||
| So I just wanted to see if Nick wanted more time to do that. | ||
| If not, we can move on, but he probably won't. | ||
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Uh, can we give him 60 more seconds to actually respond? | |
| Okay, can we do the next topic now? | ||
| I'm sorry I didn't respond to your stupid syllogism about white supremacy and the holocaust and January 6th or whatever. | ||
| That's a damning non-answer. | ||
| Let's go to the next topic. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| For real. | ||
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Okay, we're gonna go to the next one and then Dean, you agreed to do immigration. | |
| We'll circle back to Kamala Trump after the last agreed upon subject. | ||
| Is that cool? | ||
| Um, yeah, depending on what time it is after we get our four out of the way. | ||
| I kind of like carved out like an hour, an hour and a half. | ||
| But if we want to go out to immigration at the end, I might have some time. | ||
| I just have to see what's going on. | ||
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The reason why we have to do a fifth topic that we both agree on, guys, is because a lot of the audience is, you know, is enjoying this and they're deep in on this. | |
| And I think it's almost you guys are almost kind of tied right now. | ||
| There are a lot of them are agreeing about a tie. | ||
| So maybe a fifth. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Let's get to the fourth topic, though. | ||
| Well, how about this? | ||
| Because we've been going about 30 minutes each subject, so for brevity's sake, why don't we do 20 minutes on the last subject and 20 minutes on immigration? | ||
| What's the last subject? | ||
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Are men superior to women? | |
| Could we give that one 30? | ||
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Okay, but if you agree to do immigration. | |
| If I agree to do immigration, I'll give that 30. | ||
| Uh, I feel like there's people out there that could represent immigration better than I can. | ||
| Ha! | ||
| Cause you're gonna lose on that one. | ||
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Uh, I don't know, like, what your expertise is. | |
| I'm guessing, like, you have a bit of immigration. | ||
| Like, I don't, I don't, like, host immigration debates. | ||
| I'm a specialist. | ||
| I'm always talking about that. | ||
| I round them up myself. | ||
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Dean, Dean, Dean, do you have a topic that you would, a fifth topic that you might want to cover, uh, touch base on? | |
| Um, just something for the end. | ||
| It doesn't have to be that long either, like, maybe 15 minutes. | ||
| Yeah, why don't, no, we could, we could, we could debate immigration, immigration. | ||
| Let's just do it. | ||
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Alright, so the next topic is... Nick's sitting over there with a smile on his face. | |
| I'm having fun! | ||
| You're a good debate partner. | ||
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It's not personal, so I just want you to know. | |
| Are men more superior? | ||
| No, just superior. | ||
| Are men superior to women? | ||
| We'll start with Nick, I'll give you three minutes, and then three minutes to Dean. | ||
| Yeah, men are awesome. | ||
| Women suck, and they're dumb, and... No, I'm kidding. | ||
| Yeah, the thing is, though, men obviously were made to lead, and I do think that women should have a secondary role in society. | ||
| I think that's absolutely true. | ||
| I do believe in a fundamental equality between man and woman. | ||
| You know, the Bible says that God created the man and woman, so we're both created with dignity and should be respected, and there's an equality before God that we both have. | ||
| But we were created with two distinct and different natures. | ||
| You know, they are two essential Maleness and femaleness are essential about a person. | ||
| They're essential to the soul. | ||
| They're essential to the body. | ||
| They come with a function. | ||
| They come with a particular anatomy. | ||
| They come with a brain chemistry. | ||
| And as such, those things have social roles. | ||
| The idea that, you know, these clearly two distinct categories, two essential types of people would be treated precisely the same or exactly the same in society, it belies the fact that they have two different natures. | ||
| And I think it's obvious that men are celestial, they're individualists, they're rationalists, they're leaders, they're risk-takers. | ||
| They should be working, fighting, running society. | ||
| Women are terrestrial, they're nurturers, they're caregivers. | ||
| They should be the mothers. | ||
| I don't think that they should be necessarily precluded from working, but I think that they should be encouraged first and foremost to be mothers for their benefit and for the benefit of society as a whole. | ||
| And that's kind of the gist of my position. | ||
| Okay, so I have an opening statement. | ||
| I guess I'll use it up. | ||
| My position's pretty clear. | ||
| No, one human being does not have more intrinsic moral value than another human being. | ||
| I don't think that we could take this qualification of your gender identity or what's in between your legs and abstract that out to this norm of who's going to be better at leading. | ||
| I'd say the qualifications of determining who's better at leading The qualifications of determining, you know, half the shit that he named off over here is not going to be, right, what's in between your legs or your gender identity, but rather other various traits. | ||
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But I guess just to make this quick, we can kind of cut to the chase here. | |
| Why do you think men are better at leading than women? | ||
| I would appreciate specifics. | ||
| You kind of pointed out, like, different natures, different biological differences, neuroanatomy, etc. | ||
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I want you to name the specifics. | |
| Maybe I could ask you a question here. | ||
| What are the specific biological differences between men and women that make men better at leading than women? | ||
| Smarter, stronger, all of the above. | ||
| No, I mean, in actuality... Be specific. | ||
| In actuality. | ||
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Are those your two? | |
| What? | ||
| Are those your two qualifiers? | ||
| No, no, I'm being a little bit funny. | ||
| Well, be honest with me here. | ||
| The reason why they're better leaders – well, one, I think they're really only qualified to be leaders because they are physically stronger. | ||
| And this is one of the reasons why we have a feminist society. | ||
| It's because we live in a world where we have technology. | ||
| In the old days, when there was fighting, it was very physical, and it was very direct. | ||
| It was hand-to-hand combat, and the only people that could do it were men. | ||
| As such, the militaries that were raised up were comprised of men. | ||
| The people that fought and enforced sovereignty, law, borders, all those things were men, necessarily, then. | ||
| They're the decision makers. | ||
| And so, you know, the idea that it has something to do with what's between your legs. | ||
| Well, it has to do with what's between your legs and the fact that you have testosterone, you're physically stronger. | ||
| And by the way, because you have testosterone, it means you're more aggressive. | ||
| It means you're a bigger risk taker. | ||
| Those are two things that are important. | ||
| For a person to be a leader, they need to be able to stand against the crowd. | ||
| They need and that means a risk taker and means you need to be disagreeable. | ||
| It involves a certain amount of aggression and a competitiveness that women simply lack. | ||
| We all know that women are very agreeable, passive, not all of them, but generally speaking, they are. | ||
| They're peacemakers, they're more introspective, they're more emotional, less decisive, and all of that makes them worse as leaders. | ||
| Now, there can be women that are good in particular leadership roles in certain circumstances, and individual women might, but as a general rule, Because of their nature, they don't make good leaders. | ||
| Thank you so much for your response there. | ||
| Let's talk about it all. | ||
| One of the reasons that you gave me that men are better at leading than women is physical strength. | ||
| That is a totally and completely mute point. | ||
| You would not be able to name me one social category in the world today where leadership is determined on purely physical strength. | ||
| I also bet that you would not be willing to vote for a 15 year old on steroids that can binge press 600 pounds over Donald Trump just because he's physically stronger. | ||
| Another point that you brought up is that women are more emotional than men. | ||
| I'd actually say that's false. | ||
| 72% of people who commit suicide are men. | ||
| 85% of people that abuse hard drugs as an emotional reaction to particular external stimuli are men. | ||
| We see that 95% of violent crimes are committed by men. | ||
| We see that men are much more likely to start wars, to start genocides. | ||
| We see that men are much more likely to engage in irrational, risk-adverse activities, such as drunk driving, reckless driving, or gambling. | ||
| Meanwhile, we see women have a higher IQ and EQ on average. | ||
| Women outperform men in the context of school, going to it more, getting better grades and better degrees. | ||
| And we see that women can actually deal with stress better than men, and that's one of those biological predispositions that you were talking about. | ||
| Women have thicker dendrites in their neuroanatomy compared to men for the reason being that evolution has designed women to deal with childbirth, okay? | ||
| And that made them deal with stress better as well. | ||
| That's why we see that female surgeons outcompete male surgeons. | ||
| The JMA and the AMA did a massive study on 1.7 million patients on six continents and evaluated that if you're operated on by a male compared to a female, that you're more likely to die as a result of your surgery and you're more likely to experience post-operative outcomes. | ||
| So, just a quick recap. | ||
| Physical strength doesn't mean shit. | ||
| I have bigger biceps than you. | ||
| I bet you think you're a better leader. | ||
| Emotional maturity. | ||
| Women are more emotionally mature than men. | ||
| Then about intelligence and all the other shit you brought up, we could get into that, but I'll let you respond to the points that I brought up so far. | ||
| Yeah, so you said it was risk-averse to gamble and drunk drive. | ||
| It's the opposite. | ||
| You said men are more willing to drunk drive and gamble. | ||
| Those are risk-taking activities, and risk-taking is fundamental in leadership. | ||
| That's why— That's why, yeah, fair enough. | ||
| And that's why, you know, the richest people in the world are all men. | ||
| Because the entrepreneurs are men. | ||
| Because an entrepreneur is a risk taker. | ||
| And, you know, one man's gambling is another man's entrepreneurship. | ||
| One man's drunk driving is another man's self-destructive, obsessive, maniacal, quest for building the best company or being the president | ||
| or anything like that. | ||
| It's absolutely essential. | ||
| With regard to higher IQ and EQ, it is true that on average women have a higher IQ, but | ||
| it's also true that the distribution is different. | ||
| There's more geniuses among men. | ||
| I mean, the curve, if you will, is flatter. | ||
| So there's more men that are on the left side of the curve. | ||
| There's more men on the right side of the curve. | ||
| Although the average for women is higher, they don't have those outliers and those extremes. | ||
| That's why you don't see a lot of female geniuses. | ||
| And that's just true. | ||
| I mean, earlier today in preparation for the debate, I asked Chad GPT, I said, name some female geniuses. | ||
| They got to like three before they had to name a feminist. | ||
| They did like Marie Curie, some ancient Neoplatonists no one ever heard of. | ||
| And then it was like all the like first and second wave feminists. | ||
| There's no female geniuses. | ||
| There's very few female billionaires that didn't get their wealth outside of divorce. | ||
| There's very few female heads of state. | ||
| People say that's oppression, it's misogyny. | ||
| And we all know it's because they're not risk takers, they're not tough. | ||
| With regard to they handle stress better, Yeah, maybe certain kinds of stress, but I think we all know women, and I think we all know that when women are put in stressful situations, they cry. | ||
| They cry, they get upset, they freak out, they call their boyfriend, they call their father. | ||
| I let you go on. | ||
| I let you go on and you said that ridiculous stuff. | ||
| Hang on, let me finish. | ||
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Let me finish. | |
| I'll wrap up. | ||
| I'll wrap up, but I let you finish and I let you say that women, women handle stress better. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And with regard to physical strength, you know, look, I said today, physical strength is not a qualifier because of techniques, because we have missiles, we have tanks and things like that. | ||
| But the point is, it used to be the case that what qualified you to lead is that you would go out there and be doing the fighting and all of that. | ||
| And that is still true. | ||
| It's not necessarily true in the United States, but it is still true in other countries. | ||
| In countries like Israel, for example, or Iran, their presidents and their ministers are frequently military leaders that are actually having to be in the tanks and in the battlefield. | ||
| And, you know, it's hard to be in the battlefield when you get your period. | ||
| It's hard to be in the battlefield if you're pregnant or something like that. | ||
| Men don't get pregnant. | ||
| Men don't get their period. | ||
| Men are physically stronger. | ||
| Men have more endurance. | ||
| That's why, by the way, it's not just that they're stronger, they're faster, they're all of the above. | ||
| That's why women don't compete with men in sports. | ||
| That's why men make better soldiers. | ||
| And so, you know, yeah, it kind of does matter that if there's a war, men are going to be the ones fighting and dying it, and that's why they're leading. | ||
| And there's something deeply related to their biology there as well. | ||
| But go ahead, since you want to interrupt me already. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, let's do something here. | ||
| I've kind of like felt this way like the entire time that we've been having the discussion. | ||
| I feel like we both like to talk a lot. | ||
| I think that that's been evidently clear. | ||
| We just kind of go at each other with like these two to three minute responses. | ||
| Can I ask something from you? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Depends on what it is. | ||
| I kind of want to break down each point you've brought up and demonstrate to you why it's flawed instead of just giving these long-winded responses. | ||
| You want to do a fact check? | ||
| And I want to do that point by point with our last five minutes. | ||
| The first point about physical strength. | ||
| Who would you rather vote for? | ||
| A 15-year-old that can binge press a thousand pounds or Donald Trump? | ||
| But that's not what I'm... I'm not saying that the most physically strong person should be the king. | ||
| I'm saying that as a category, as a category, women are not soldiers. | ||
| They're not tasked with defending the country. | ||
| And that is effectively what the king or the president is supposed to do, is defend the realm. | ||
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Didn't Trump dodge the draft five times? | |
| Oh my, okay. | ||
| So are we just going to do the resistance liberal thing now? | ||
| I said, the United States, technics notwithstanding. | ||
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Are you capable of understanding like a concept? | |
| Can non-soldiers defend the country? | ||
| President Bone Spurs! | ||
| We're talking about whether women should be leaders. | ||
| If they can't physically defend the borders. | ||
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Okay, so you'd say the weaker you are, physically speaking, the worse you are at leading? | |
| No, no. | ||
| I just said- So then what the fuck is your argument? | ||
| Yeah, it's like you're not even listening. | ||
| I said as a category. | ||
| As a category! | ||
| Because sex is essential. | ||
| A category that's not going to be indicative of leadership ability when the question is, why are men better at leading than women? | ||
| Why do you name a category where we see these general biological distinctions between men and women if it's not indicative of men being better at leading than women? | ||
| I asked you to name the specific biological differences between men and women that make men better at leading than women. | ||
| You said strength was one of them, and now you're saying it's not. | ||
| You're saying that emotional intelligence was one of them, and you conceded that women are more emotionally intelligent than men. | ||
| Another point that you brought up was intelligence, specifically IQ, with the highest geniuses of the men being smarter than that of the women. | ||
| I'd say there's going to be some social aspects thrown in there. | ||
| I mean, if you look at the average IQ of an Arab individual compared to a white individual at home here in the US, the white individual has a higher IQ. | ||
| But then if you go to an Arab-dominated country in the Middle East, you'll see that the Arab individual has a higher IQ. | ||
| What this means is that social isolation, access to opportunity and resources can play in, right? | ||
| To like your deviated IQ. | ||
| So of course we'd see more men having higher IQs at the end of the spectrum compared to women, | ||
| just because they have more opportunity, resources and access to education. | ||
| Oh, it's because of misogyny. | ||
| It's misogyny, right? | ||
| Women are dumb because of misogyny. | ||
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Well, actually, I'd say that not being in the top 10% of IQs doesn't make you fucking dumb. | |
| You asked me a question, let me ask you a question. | ||
| I want to ask you a question about leadership. | ||
| What do you think are good leadership traits? | ||
| Can you give me some examples of what like good leadership traits are? | ||
| That's a great question. | ||
| I think I'll give you a great answer. | ||
| We could talk about a good, morally virtuous character. | ||
| We could talk about an ability to get along with other people, bring people together, and get them to follow you. | ||
| Another thing that I'd say, a good leader isn't just someone who can bring people together, but a good leader is also someone that can lead those people into a positive direction. | ||
| The reason that leadership exists in the first place is because when you take a large group of people and you set them on their own paths, they're not gonna get shit done. | ||
| Thereby, you choose one of that large group of people to lead them all in what? | ||
| A positive direction. | ||
| So you're looking for someone with a good character, you're looking for someone that can bring people together, you're probably going to be looking for someone that's pretty damn competent as well, and someone that can like achieve like the highest level of eudaimonia for the group of people that they're leading. | ||
| I'm sure there's other attributes that we get assigned to leadership here, but there's going to be a general sense. | ||
| Bro, pull that in. | ||
| Look, see, this is where you're wrong. | ||
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Do you need to respond or could we just do a one minute closing statement here? | |
| Can I just respond and then we can do closing statements? | ||
| Okay, so just to respond to that, I mean, and this is kind of the whole essence of the debate. | ||
| You fundamentally misunderstand human nature and you know nothing about leadership. | ||
| You say it's about bringing everyone together to move in a positive direction. | ||
| It's like, this is a problem with Gen Z. It's like this kind of kindergarten. | ||
| You fucking nihilist. | ||
| Hang on, can I finish please? | ||
| I didn't interrupt all that nonsense. | ||
| It's just sort of like, hey everybody, let's all hold hands and let's just create, you know, like everyone's being nice to each other. | ||
| The world is a mess, okay? | ||
| The world is a knife fight. | ||
| On the global scale, when you're talking about leaders and armies, it's a knife fight for existence. | ||
| We're talking about companies, it's a knife fight for existence. | ||
| We're not talking about anything. | ||
| Human competition, it's practically homicidal between people. | ||
| And anyone that's serious about anything will tell you that. | ||
| Anyone that's obsessed, anyone that's ambitious, anyone who is ruling, who is actually the leaders in society, who earned their role there, they'll tell you the same thing. | ||
| It's cutthroat. | ||
| And yeah, there are some abilities, like you said, like, yeah, you need to inspire people and things like that. | ||
| But more than that, you need a willingness to do what it takes. | ||
| You need an ambition. | ||
| You need to take risks. | ||
| You need to be willing to make decisions and stand by them. | ||
| These are all qualities that purely because of gender and hormones, because of their biological role, women don't have those things. | ||
| Because women have to have a baby grow inside of them for nine months and then hear it scream and cry and take care of it and feed them from their breast and have like basically a dependent They're just not made for that kind of competition. | ||
| They have a completely care-based ethics. | ||
| They're totally dependent. | ||
| Men who are individuals, risk-takers, aggressive, men who can exist independently of women, when it's really not so the other way around, they alone have the ability to do what it takes to lead. | ||
| And that's why Even with all the DEI in the world, you're still going to have men running everything. | ||
| The private sector, the public sector, the military, because men are the ones that can lead. | ||
| And thus, they do. | ||
| It's only through ideologically motivated policies from human resources departments that you get women doing fucking anything other than like creating schedules and being nurses and being fucking teachers and stuff like that. | ||
| That's just reality. | ||
| Everyone knows it. | ||
| And you could give me a hundred studies. | ||
| That's human nature. | ||
| I don't have sex with them. | ||
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I'm gonna go to closing statements. | |
| Yeah, yeah, it's funny how you're saying that you can't get women to do anything. | ||
| If a woman didn't do something, you wouldn't be sitting here having this debate with me | ||
| right now. | ||
| But I just wanted to respond to that. | ||
| You're saying men are so much better at leading than women, and I hate women because I haven't | ||
| touched one since conception. | ||
| Sorry, that's not what you said. | ||
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You actually said, you know, because they're not aggressive. | |
| I touch them, I just don't have sex with them. | ||
| They're not my wife. | ||
| Uh, I don't know about that. | ||
| You're a rapist! | ||
| Orange man bad. | ||
| I'm not gonna call you a racist without evidence. | ||
| Orange you clad. | ||
| So anyway, what I was gonna ask, well, if like ambition, risk-taking, and aggressiveness | ||
| is what makes you a good leader, Hitler was an incredibly ambitious, aggressive risk-taker. | ||
| Given your qualifications, would you thereby say that Hitler is a good leader? | ||
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It's indisputable he is. | |
| Indisputably. | ||
| You could even say he's evil. | ||
| He made Germany great again, even if you believe he's evil. | ||
| I have a question. | ||
| Who would you rather have run our country right now, your wife or Hitler? | ||
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Of course! | |
| Of course! | ||
| I don't have a wife, but if I did, she would not be fit to run the country. | ||
| I can tell you that much. | ||
| She can run the kitchen. | ||
| She can run... She can't run the lawnmower. | ||
| I'll put it that way. | ||
| And I think anyone would... One's in the chat if you'd rather Hitler over your wife. | ||
| Two's if you prefer your wife. | ||
| We'll let the chat... We'll let the fucking numbers do the talking over here. | ||
| I don't think I'm alone in that. | ||
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Okay, let's do a one-minute closing. | |
| Let's do one-minute Nick and then one-minute Dean. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Yeah, so my closing statement... | ||
| Is that, you know, look, it's human nature. | ||
| I am not an empiricist. | ||
| I don't think we need to consult the studies. | ||
| I think we know our nature. | ||
| I think God created a man and a woman. | ||
| We're created with two different reproductive faculties. | ||
| We're created with, as a result, different anatomies, different natures, different dispositions. | ||
| We're made with complementarity. | ||
| Men and women are not only made differently, they're made to complement each other, which doesn't mean that they're necessarily opposites, but it does mean that there's like reciprocal differences As a result of these essential immutable differences, | ||
| we should treat men and women differently, and we do. | ||
| That's why we have things like chivalry. | ||
| That's why men don't hit women. | ||
| That's why men and women don't compete in the same sports. | ||
| And, you know, a lot of people understand that, but then they don't understand why we would say | ||
| we don't want a woman president, or why we wouldn't want to send women into combat, | ||
| or why we think that men aren't badass bikers and whatever in the same way that men are. | ||
| But it all proceeds from the same essential, complementary natures that the two sexes were given by God. | ||
| To pretend otherwise is to ignore our eyes, our experience, and what we know about ourselves and the people in our lives. | ||
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Dean Gahl, one minute. | |
| Yeah, first of all, you said that's why men don't hit women. | ||
| Men do hit women. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| Second of all, let's talk about why men are not better at leading than women. | ||
| Every single point that Nick Fuentes has gave has been reduced to him telling us all that Hitler is a better candidate for America's president today compared to Kamala Harris or his very own wife. | ||
| I don't give a shit about the 12 or 13 year old little boys spamming 1 and 8 in chat. | ||
| Anyone with half of a fucking brain cell can tell that this logic is not immutable and it leads you to being a fucking in-cell RNC droid repeating the same alternative media talking points that you got from Andrew fucking Tate. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Right? | ||
| The facts of the matter are, this guy said men are better at leading than women because they're physically stronger, physical strength is not indicative of being better at leading, Go talk to the biggest guy in your gym and see who'd be better at leading. | ||
| This guy also brought up levels of emotion. | ||
| Men are more emotional than women. | ||
| We all know this. | ||
| That's why they commit vast majority of violent crimes. | ||
| That's why they commit vast majority of suicides. | ||
| That's why they abuse hard drugs more. | ||
| That's why they commit thieving, kidnapping, etc. | ||
| more. | ||
| Another point that he brought up was intelligence. | ||
| Women have a higher IQ on average. | ||
| Let's face the facts, folks. | ||
| There's no evidence to believe Okay, let's go back to Trump-Kamala in the beginning. | ||
| And I suggest you treat the women in your life damn well and don't tell them to stay in the kitchen or you're not | ||
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gonna get a wife Just like 28 year old Nick Fuentes over here hasn't been | |
| able to get a girlfriend since he was born. That's why folks | ||
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That's why you're an incel, but we're gonna go ahead and move on now. Okay, let's go back to Trump-Campbell in the | |
| beginning I will say who's stronger on immigration Trump or Campbell? | ||
| Oh, this one is this one's so incredibly easy Yeah, sure. | ||
| Kamala Harris is stronger on immigration. | ||
| Well, this one's just evidently clear. | ||
| Donald Trump is pro-open borders. | ||
| intro. | ||
| Because he torpedoed a bipartisan border bill in the House and the Senate two years ago, drafted by a Trump-endorsed Republican by the name of Lankford. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Trump is pro-open borders right now because he knows it's going to increase his chance of winning re-election. | ||
| Another thought here, if I was a conservative and I cared about immigration, Donald Trump wouldn't be my guy. | ||
| He essentially passed no policy that effectively mitigated increasing numbers of border crossings and entries into our country under his term. | ||
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The wall? | |
| Didn't do shit. | ||
| The Romanian-Mexico policy? | ||
| Didn't do shit. | ||
| If you look at the graph behind Donald Trump at the rally that he got shot at, he claimed that his clampdown on the southern border started with Title 42 and COVID. | ||
| The big public health emergency that Nick Fuentes over here probably thinks was a common cold is the only reason that we had as low of border entries under Trump's administration as we did. | ||
| Kamala Harris on the other hand, right, she wants to send more funding to the courts on the borders to expedite the asylum-seeking processes to reduce undocumented migration in our country. | ||
| She's the only candidate in the race to prosecute transatlantic gangs. | ||
| But the moral of the story, the one point that I want to stick for Nick Fuentes over here to respond to, is that Donald Trump is pro-open border because he torpedoed good border policy in the House and the Senate two years ago because he wanted the crisis to continue and make the Democrats look bad. | ||
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Nick, you got two minutes. | |
| All right. | ||
| Yeah, that's just like... | ||
| Obviously out of touch with reality. | ||
| I knew he would go there. | ||
| And that's why I want to talk about immigration. | ||
| I mean, you could make that case if history started in the year 2024, that Trump torpedoed the border bill and that's why the border is bad. | ||
| But of course, time didn't start in 2024. | ||
| It started with immigration a long time ago. | ||
| Trump had a number of executive orders that curbed illegal border crossings. | ||
| It wasn't just the migrant protection protocols. | ||
| It was a number of others. | ||
| Meant to close loopholes with catch and release. | ||
| And so they could return immigrants to third party countries. | ||
| It wasn't just Title 42. | ||
| And the Biden administration undid all of them, literally on the first day. | ||
| Trump built a border wall. | ||
| You say it did nothing. | ||
| Department of Homeland Security says actually it reduced crossings, reduced drug trafficking over the border, reduced human smuggling over the border. | ||
| That's all true. | ||
| He built 386 miles of physical infrastructure. | ||
| And he did it, by the way, after Congress refused to give him the money. | ||
| After the Supreme Court, rather a federal judge, tried to hold it up in the court system. | ||
| Finally, by the end of his term, he was able to get the money from the DOD to build a border wall. | ||
| Biden stopped building it on day one. | ||
| Biden also effectively ended deportations. | ||
| There was a policy under Obama where they said they weren't going to prioritize most illegal immigration for deportations. | ||
| Under Trump, they put an executive order that said, we're going to prioritize all illegal immigrants for deportation. | ||
| Biden rescinded that executive order. | ||
| Trump had an executive order that said, while you're waiting for your asylum claim to be adjudicated, you wait in Mexico, not in the interior of the United States. | ||
| Biden rescinded that executive order. | ||
| Trump said, We will return you to one of the Northern Triangle countries, a third-party country. | ||
| Biden rescinded that executive order. | ||
| As a result, illegal immigration under Biden is higher than at any point in history by far. | ||
| In the 10 years between 2010 and 2020, illegal border crossings, only one year on average, on a day-to-day basis, were over 3,000 per day. | ||
| Under the Biden administration, It was 4,000, 6,000, and now it's over 7,000 border crossings. | ||
| So it's almost three times the 10-year average, and that's because they removed the Trump era policies. | ||
| Now they want to blame it on a Senate bill this year? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Thank you for all the information, Nick. | ||
| I'm gonna have fun with this. | ||
| First of all, it's funny that you think you're so educated about the border and then you say that Lankford's bill was in the Senate in 2024. | ||
| No, that was 2023. | ||
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It started drafting in late 2021. | |
| Secondly, you mentioned all the policies that Trump enacted that Biden repealed. | ||
| First of all, if you look at the border crossings under Donald Trump's presidency, they went up year by year by year until Title 42 was implemented. | ||
| What does that tell us? | ||
| Immigration, after these great policies, didn't go down. | ||
| What else do we know is that these policies weren't in place under Obama's administration. | ||
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Did we have a border crisis to the same degree that we have now under Obama's administration? | |
| No, at points we had lower crossings than we had under Trump. | ||
| Phenomenal! | ||
| What does this tell us? | ||
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Is that Biden repealing those policies didn't cause the crisis to start. | |
| So what did? | ||
| That's a great question. | ||
| Well, let's treat Title 42, the total and complete shutdown caused by or implemented because of the public health emergency, like a dam on a river. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| And that dam sat on the river for a year and a half, two years, however long it was. | ||
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When you remove the dam from the river, what happens? | |
| Water gushes through. | ||
| When Title 42 expired, guess what? | ||
| All of those migrants that had been backlogged gushed through. | ||
| This was natural, normal, and expected. | ||
| We should evaluate the responsibility and the efficacy of our current administration based upon their response to this crisis being caused by the revocal of Title 42. | ||
| And what was their response? | ||
| To implement bipartisan border legislation. | ||
| And the first step they took was to influence exactly that through the House and the Senate. | ||
| That was Lankford's bill. | ||
| What happened next? | ||
| Trump calls the Republicans in the House and Senate, tells them to vote against it, torpedoes the bill. | ||
| Nick over here knows the story. | ||
| But I would like to ask you a very crystal clear question, Nick. | ||
| Well, it's an incorrect hypothetical because the bill would actually concretize the Biden-era policies. | ||
| truck shows up to put out the fire and you tell the fire truck to turn around because | ||
| you want the house to burn so you can claim the insurance money. | ||
| Nick Fuentes, did you care about the house? | ||
| Well, it's an incorrect hypothetical because the bill would actually concretize the Biden | ||
| era policies. | ||
| The bill does not secure the border. | ||
| So the premise fails on that alone. | ||
| And the way that I'd respond to. | ||
| Can you tell me the provisions that are in the bill, please? | ||
| Do you know the details of the bill? | ||
| Can you tell me the provisions that are in the bill, please? | ||
| I could tell you a handful. | ||
| Like what was it? | ||
| Like an additional $500 million towards the courts on the border to expedite asylum-seeking | ||
| claims. | ||
| Then we also had like some rolling average daily caps and weekly caps in which the president | ||
| could then step in and close the border down. | ||
| Do you know what they are? | ||
| I think it was like $5,000 a day for like the weekly cap. | ||
| But here's my response to that. | ||
| You said that the average over the administration was like $7,000 or $9,000 a day, whatever you said it was. | ||
| If you were starving and I offered you a hamburger, would you take it or would you say, no, I want a bacon-wrapped filet? | ||
| Let me respond to that now, because you went on your whole thing about, you know, you corrected me on some of these things. | ||
| bipartisan border legislation that the alt-right like Nick Fuentes isn't happy | ||
| about, any rational sane person would take the bill to decrease the impact of | ||
| the crisis. | ||
| Alright, now let me respond to that now, because you went on your whole thing | ||
| about, you know, you corrected me on some of these things. | ||
| But you never answered my question. | ||
| Well, because the premise of the question is wrong. | ||
| But I'll answer it now. | ||
| You want me to answer these like false hypotheticals and syllogisms, but that's not really how a debate works, actually. | ||
| If passing this bill is like putting out a fire, would you pass the bill? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So first of all, you said the bill was from 2023. | ||
| The bill failed in 2024, and that's because it resulted from the impasse over appropriations in September 2023. | ||
| There was an impasse in Congress over 12 military appropriations bills. | ||
| The deadline was October 1st. | ||
| It's why Kevin McCarthy was removed, because the Freedom Caucus, specifically the MAGA caucus within it, insisted on what they were calling I forget the name of it, but a certain border provision in the spending bill, McCarthy wouldn't go for it, and they kept passing continuing resolutions until a bipartisan agreement was put together in the Senate. | ||
| But at that point, and that was in February, Mitch McConnell said, my first priority is Ukraine, because that was the other sticking point in negotiations. | ||
| So the Republicans, because they wanted Ukraine aid to pass, which was another subject of the impasse, they said fine, fine, here's your | ||
| border concessions and I'll tell you the provisions because you don't know. It | ||
| said that it would only mandate enforcement of the border when daily apprehensions | ||
| hit more than 8,000 per day. Again, the average of the past 20 years is 2 to 3,000 | ||
| per day. It would say you only have to enforce. That's what the bill says. | ||
| The bill says $8,000 per day. | ||
| It says that the administration can get emergency authority at $5,000 per day, on average, over a seven-day period. | ||
| Another lie. | ||
| Another lie. | ||
| Not a lie. | ||
| It mandates enforcement at $8,000. | ||
| It's $5,000 for one day. | ||
| Excuse me, I'll let you finish your nonsense when you said it was in $23,000 when it wasn't. | ||
| So you're wrong about that. | ||
| It mandates it at $8,000 per day. | ||
| What's more, again, the daily averages for 20 years, 10, 20 years, Was 2 to 3,000 under the Biden administration, it goes up past 7,000. | ||
| They want to say, well, 5,000, you get emergency powers. | ||
| 8,000, you have to use emergency powers. | ||
| That's far too many. | ||
| There's been this whole argument about a backlog because of Title 42. | ||
| 10 million illegal immigrants have come in under Biden. | ||
| Title 42 is implemented. | ||
| When did the lockdown happen? | ||
| March 2020? | ||
| You think 10 million illegals were trying to get in in the nine-month period between March and December of 2020? | ||
| Biden undid all the policies in January 2021. | ||
| So that's just like an ad hoc. | ||
| You're just fishing around for an answer. | ||
| With regard to the Trump administration, you can see very clearly cause and effect on immigration. | ||
| When Trump was elected, illegal immigration went down because foreigners anticipated that there would be enforcement. | ||
| So, and you can see throughout the history of the country, when they threaten enforcement, illegals don't come. | ||
| When they think they'll get amnesty or they think they'll get in, more of them arrive. | ||
| So they thought Trump was going to be a hardliner on immigration. | ||
| They didn't come. | ||
| Then in September and October 2017, Trump floated a DACA amnesty. | ||
| He said, we're going to give amnesty to all the deferred action on childhood arrivals. | ||
| The reason that matters is because children being brought over the border is one of the three big loopholes for how illegals are caught. | ||
| And released into the country. | ||
| They bring children that aren't there and all kinds of other things. | ||
| So Trump said, we'll give an amnesty. | ||
| Then all of a sudden they started getting caravans from the Northern Triangle in the spring of 2018 because he said amnesty. | ||
| They heard it. | ||
| They started to come. | ||
| Trump maintained a zero tolerance policy promulgated then by Jeff Sessions. | ||
| And they said, we're going to separate the children. | ||
| We're going to treat them as unaccompanied minors. | ||
| There was a huge media outcry before the election. | ||
| They had to reverse it. | ||
| And then after they reversed it, it exploded. | ||
| And May and June 2019, they hit a peak. | ||
| Trump implemented the migrant protection protocols by threatening sanctions or rather tariffs against Mexico. | ||
| And then it came down again. | ||
| And that is the story of illegal immigration in Trump and the Biden years. | ||
| It has everything to do. | ||
| very different. Hang on, it has everything to do with the Biden policies. They let in | ||
| 10 million people and then they float out this half-assed bill that doesn't fix it. Hang on, hang on. Let me finish. | ||
| They put out this half-assed bill in the last year because everyone agrees the border's a crisis. They concretize it | ||
| and basically make legal, make Make, in codifying federal law, Biden's policy to let 5,000 people a day on average here. | ||
| And then when Republicans voted against it, they said, oh, Republicans are against border security. | ||
| It's a political thing. | ||
| Even Democrats acknowledge that. | ||
| It's totally fake. | ||
| You know, you could keep going with it, but everyone knows it's fake. | ||
| Okay, well apparently Trump doesn't. | ||
| He said at a rally in Nevada to blame it on him if the border bill fails. | ||
| So I think that Trump's big mouth actually does him a lot of harm because I just used Trump's own word of mouth to debunk Nick Fuentes supporting Trump. | ||
| So yeah, see that's the face of a losing man. | ||
| Uh, and you said that you were perfectly painted. | ||
| Okay, well I don't, I don't appreciate your use of the slurs, but I guess that's what emotionally immature men, when someone's smarter than them, lays down the truth. | ||
| Isn't that right, sir? | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| We make jokes. | ||
| Men are funny. | ||
| Men are funny. | ||
| Women are not funny. | ||
| That's another advantage, but that's the other debate. | ||
| Are you a woman? | ||
| You could call it emotionally immature. | ||
| Oh my gosh, he said the R-word. | ||
| That's what happens when an emotionally immature male... Go ahead, I'm sorry. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Go ahead on immigration. | ||
| According to your logic. | ||
| But I would like to specifically clarify that your comment about men being more funny than women was just another unfunny false fucking comment by an immature man. | ||
| It's a fact! | ||
| I didn't find it that fucking funny when you were telling us that the Holocaust was fake and that 6 million Jewish people didn't die. | ||
| I didn't find it that fucking funny when you sat here and you told me that Trump didn't torpedo the border bill even though he said he did at a rally in Nevada. | ||
| If men were so much more funny than women, then why are you the most unfunny fucking specimen that I've ever had the displeasure of sitting across the damn phone with? | ||
| Why are you mad? | ||
| Dude, we're just having a debate. | ||
| Wait, who's funnier, Trump or Kamala? | ||
| Uh, who's funnier? | ||
| Be honest. | ||
| Trump is funnier than Kamala Harris. | ||
| Case in point, I win the debate. | ||
| Men funnier than women. | ||
| Okay, but you understand the reason I'd say that Trump is funnier than Kamala Harris? | ||
| Yeah, because he's a guy. | ||
| No, no, because he has the IQ of your fucking family pet, and he sits on Twitter all day, and he rants about how much he hates Taylor Swift just because he endorsed Kamala Harris. | ||
| That was funny! | ||
| She endorsed Kamala Harris. | ||
| It's not a funny and a haha, it's a funny and a look at this guy fucking burn. | ||
| Dude, why, it's always like this diminutive, it's funny because it's sad, because you're a sad little, it was, dude, he's, the president tweeted in all caps, I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT. | ||
| You don't think that's funny? | ||
| You don't think that's not hilarious? | ||
| Wait, wait, the president, do you think that Trump won 2020? | ||
| The form, I said the former president. | ||
| But do you think Trump won 2020? | ||
| 100%, he did, that's a fact. | ||
| Can you name one court case that would find- No, because they threw all the courts, they threw all the cases out because they lacked standing. | ||
| Okay, so is it okay to believe in things without evidence? | ||
| There is evidence. | ||
| But you asked about court cases. | ||
| But the court cases weren't lost. | ||
| They were thrown out because they didn't have standing. | ||
| There's a difference. | ||
| So there's not any evidence. | ||
| No, there is evidence. | ||
| So what's the evidence of the widespread voter fraud in 2020? | ||
| The evidence is this. | ||
| Do you know how many people voted early in the 2016 election? | ||
| Do you know what percentage? | ||
| Significantly less than in the 2020 election. | ||
| Correct. | ||
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Half. | |
| 35%. | ||
| And in 2020, it was 70%. | ||
| Okay, so that's your evidence that Trump had the election stolen from him? | ||
| Let me, let me, whoa, why so hasty? | ||
| Let's, let's just talk about it. | ||
| I'm sorry, I'm having fun. | ||
| The amount of, yeah, I can tell. | ||
| The amount of early voting doubled because they changed the rules. | ||
| In all the states, they change the rules. | ||
| In Pennsylvania, North Carolina, they illegally change the rules with state election boards, with the state Supreme Court. | ||
| In Wisconsin, they changed indefinitely confined status to mean anybody because of the pandemic. | ||
| They solicited ballots. | ||
| I literally got a ballot in Illinois for my uncle who has been dead for 20 years because they were soliciting ballots. | ||
| And I would just say, if you think, and let me ask you this, If democracy is so sacred, which you believe, you know, Kamala is going to protect and preserve our democracy, we're not going back. | ||
| Only because Trump tried to overthrow it with a fake election. | ||
| But if democracy is so precious, then a ballot is a precious thing, because a ballot is the currency of the election. | ||
| Do you think that it's good practice to ship out ballots to every voter and then tell them to dump them off in a drop box in a park, unsupervised, for a month at any time during the day? | ||
| You think that's a good way to run an election? | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| I mean, then Trump shouldn't have voted, right? | ||
| Well, is it? | ||
| I'm asking you, is it? | ||
| That's what happened. | ||
| Yeah, I think that mail-in ballots can be made secure. | ||
| I understand, like, your immediate, like, response to them, saying that, oh, if I use these words in this particular way, this doesn't seem like a real... Well, just answer. | ||
| I mean, do you think that's a good way to run an election? | ||
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Obviously not. | |
| It is. | ||
| It's obvious. | ||
| It is, and the empirics would agree with me. | ||
| There's no sufficient evidence of widespread voter fraud. | ||
| All the audits that were done on the outcome of the 2020 election indicated that it was the safe election recorded in U.S. | ||
| history. | ||
| Where do they conduct audits? | ||
| One moment. | ||
| Donald Trump went to 63 hand-picked courts with 34 of those judges being Republican appointed, 17 of those judges being appointed by himself. | ||
| All 63 of those courts ruled that there was no sufficient evidence and threw it out on the basis of no standing. | ||
| And then Donald Trump even tried to form his own election integrity committee and bumped millions of dollars into them to find absolutely anything. | ||
| They came up with a 2000 Mules movie, which the producers admitted in fucking court that they were lying. | ||
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And when he found out that he had no evidence, what did he do? | |
| He went to the DOJ with Bill Barr and tried to pressure him in to falsely announcing widespread voter fraud when there wasn't any. | ||
| And if you know anything about your history, Bill Barr had to resign from the DOJ because half of the DOJ threatened to quit if he didn't. | ||
| Donald Trump not only tried to rig the outcome of the 2020 election with the fake electorate plot, sending seven different states to cast fake votes into Congress to either be certified as real by Mike Pence or to be accepted by the House if Mike Pence were to claim ignorance, Uh, but he also lied about the outcome. | ||
| Uh, your conspiracy theory that Donald Trump won is, uh, has no evidence for it. | ||
| And the only thing you could come up with was Pennsylvania changing their voting rules because of COVID, which by the way, was ruled as legal by the Supreme Court. | ||
| You're just like not even listening. | ||
| It was Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Wisconsin, and basically every state, and they all did it illegally. | ||
| Basically, every state changed rules of the election. | ||
| And I would say, you're telling me, oh, putting 70% of the voters voting early by putting them in mailboxes a month out from the election in an unsupervised dropbox, you're saying, that is a good idea. | ||
| You're just putting words in a particular order. | ||
| Look, they don't do it like that in France. | ||
| Because, you know, we didn't do it here in America. | ||
| Absentee voting was so rare up until like 20 years ago, up until 4 years ago, because it's so prone to fraud, obviously. | ||
| When you vote in person, you gotta present your ID, you receive your ballot, they watch you, you go into a room with curtains on it because there's privacy involved too. | ||
| You fill it out and you submit it. | ||
| It's called a chain of custody. | ||
| A supervisor watches the voter get their ballot, fill it out, and return it. | ||
| It doesn't happen when you're doing so-called in-person absentee voting and that's how 70% of people voted. | ||
| That's a big problem. | ||
| It's a big problem they changed the rules without doing it in the constitutional way. | ||
| It's a big problem that those cases weren't even considered in the Supreme Court. | ||
| It's also a big problem, by the way, They didn't do an independent ballot audit in almost any of the states. | ||
| They did one in Arizona. | ||
| It was flawed. | ||
| They still found... Where do they conduct an independent ballot audit? | ||
| Where do they conduct an independent... It wasn't independent. | ||
| They did a recount. | ||
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Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Michigan, New Jersey, and Oklahoma. | |
| And in fact, I knew that you would say that this is wrong. | ||
| Google it. | ||
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They're not independent. | |
| That's the problem. | ||
| new that you would say this is wrong. Search up US State's Election Assistant Commission, | ||
| election audits across the United States. It will give you an entire PDF. They're not | ||
| independent. That's the problem. I would include the types of audits, the timing, the policies, | ||
| the case studies and the state specific information indicating that yes, these were independent. | ||
| It's like you're just not even listening. You're free to look through them. I didn't | ||
| say they didn't do audits or recounts. No. | ||
| In no state other than Arizona did they conduct an independent audit of the ballots. | ||
| Of course, if the same people that oversaw the fraud and were covering up the windows in the stadium in Detroit, of course the state is going to cover its own ass. | ||
| That's why it needs to be independent. | ||
| And they didn't do it in any state, even though that's what we were asking for. | ||
| And by the way, about fake electors, they're not fake. | ||
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What do you mean by independent? | |
| Independent meaning not conducted by the state. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Independent of the state. | ||
| So I just want to clarify. | ||
| So you think that Donald Trump shouldn't have went to like the 17 judges that he appointed because those weren't independent judges? | ||
| So now you're just gish galloping onto something else. | ||
| You said, oh, I was ready for you to say that. | ||
| I have all this evidence. | ||
| Oh, I didn't listen. | ||
| And you said independent. | ||
| Anyway, how about judges or something? | ||
| Anyway, no responding. | ||
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Hello, hello, we've been going back and forth about January 6. | |
| This this topic is about immigration. | ||
| Let's go to closing statements here. | ||
| We'll do one minute from Dean and then one minute from Nick. | ||
| So closing statements, you could bring up January 6, but let's keep it to | ||
| immigration if you can. | ||
| Actually, I'll give you 90 seconds to reel it back. | ||
| I love 90 seconds each about about this specific ballot audits. | ||
| I didn't know what you meant when you're referencing independent audits. | ||
| I understand that you are now referencing audits independent of the state. | ||
| I asked you to define your term, and I understand that. | ||
| Yeah, they're only done in Arizona, you're right. | ||
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Let's give him 90 seconds to un-interrupt it. | |
| I'll restart your time, Dean. | ||
| Uh, no, I just don't think that, uh, like an audit done by a state can automatically be discounted because you exist in a echo chamber of conspiratorial hearsay and you start off with a basis. | ||
| Trump can never lose. | ||
| You move to the basis. | ||
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When Trump loses, no, he didn't. | |
| And then tangent of that, you say all of these audits done by independent states are thereby null and void, and I shouldn't listen to them, nor the 63 courts. | ||
| It's just conspiracy theory. | ||
| That's what you are. | ||
| Your mind's been rotted. | ||
| Everyone agrees with me. | ||
| No one agrees with you apart from Donald Trump. | ||
| Not even his old VP, Mike Pence, or 44 of the 46 former cabinet members. | ||
| And that needs to be pointed out. | ||
| Now, closing statements about immigration specifically, was that what you asked for, Sniko? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I thought it was 90 seconds each on J6 and then closed. | ||
| Yeah, I'm down for that. | ||
| I'm down for that. | ||
| I kind of like this. | ||
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Fair, that's fine. | |
| Okay, let me do mine now on J6. | ||
| So, you know, here's the thing about the Trump election. | ||
| They doubled the number of early voting. | ||
| There's obvious flaws with chain of custody. | ||
| Like, it just doesn't even pass a smell test. | ||
| On that basis alone, you just can't take the authenticity of the election. | ||
| And people say it's about, you believe Trump can never lose. | ||
| I don't think that at all. | ||
| I think Trump may lose in 2024. | ||
| But you have to recognize that 2020 was an anomalous election. | ||
| So when there is an anomaly, when every state changes how they conduct their ballot, when there's an unprecedented, the former peak of early voting was 35%. | ||
| It was 70% in 2020. | ||
| It was different. | ||
| When something is different, you have to investigate it. | ||
| That's the basis of an inquiry. | ||
| Problem is, nobody wanted to investigate it. | ||
| As quickly as the election happened, they wanted to shut it down. | ||
| They censored people for talking about it. | ||
| They didn't conduct independent ballot audits. | ||
| And there was even a Time magazine piece that came out in January 2021 And it said, this is the conspiracy to shut down the | ||
| election deniers. | ||
| And there was like a full spectrum attack from the Democrats in the left on protesters, | ||
| on people that were investigating this to prevent them from trying to decertify, trying | ||
| to send on over other slates of electors. | ||
| And I would point out, it is the state legislature's constitutional authority to send electors. | ||
| If they throw out the election because they don't want to certify it and appoint a different slate of electors, that's their constitutional right to do so. | ||
| That's just the law. | ||
| And I would just say, look, if you really believe that 80 million people voted for Biden, that the 2020 election had more voters than any election in history by far, and it just happened to be the one where there was all mail-in ballots, then yeah, I just think you're dumb. | ||
| I mean, so that's kind of my closing statement on J6. | ||
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Same, it's on immigration. | |
| Let's do one minute each on immigration. | ||
| Go ahead, Dean. | ||
| Cool, I'm just, you could take this off of my time. | ||
| Well, you told me that your whole theory here is reliant on a smell test. | ||
| Nick, I fucking smell bullshit. | ||
| We shouldn't be relying on our intuitions and our emotions to tell us who won the 2020 election. | ||
| I think that conservatives are so funny because they'll be like, listen to the science, trans women aren't women, I don't care about what you think or feel, you have x, y, x, x chromosomes, but then sit over here and give me some bullshit smell tests to dictate who won in 2020. | ||
| About immigration specifically, I think it's evidently clear that Donald Trump doesn't care | ||
| about the southern border or else he wouldn't have torpedoed the bipartisan border bill | ||
| in the House and the Senate two years ago. | ||
| I think that it's evidently clear that he's not about getting shit done. | ||
| He's repeating the same Republican tagline that every Republican in the last 20 years | ||
| has with quote unquote deport them all. | ||
| My question to you would be, why didn't it Bush? | ||
| They can't do it. | ||
| It's practically infeasible. | ||
| I say that we deport all violent undocumented migrants and then give their arrest the pathway | ||
| to residency and their citizenship, fix our southern border, make it faster, make it quicker | ||
| and make it safer and then crack down further on undocumented migration when our legal systems | ||
| are up to par. | ||
| You can either import them all, right, get rid of $1.7 trillion from our economy over | ||
| the next 10 years. | ||
| You don't care about the debt. | ||
| You don't care about the state of the economy. | ||
| You don't care about the workers in the economy. | ||
| All that you care about is spewing your fucking prejudice. | ||
| You're doing the same thing with undocumented migrants now that you did with gay people | ||
| and women 30 minutes ago. | ||
| Take it away. | ||
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Closing statement, Nick. | |
| One minute. | ||
| Basket of deplorables, right? | ||
| It was just a basket of deplorables. | ||
| With regard to immigration, everybody knows. | ||
| Biden threw open the border. | ||
| He rescinded every Trump executive order on immigration. | ||
| He stopped construction of the wall. | ||
| He effectively stopped deportations. | ||
| Guess what happens? | ||
| You get a lot of people. | ||
| You get 10 million illegals in 4 years. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| 10 million people in 4 years. | ||
| From Venezuela, from Haiti, from Africa, from every- we don't even know who they are. | ||
| The people that are coming here, they don't buy healthcare, they don't have a high school education, they have no resources, they're a massive drain on the economy. | ||
| When they need healthcare, they go to the emergency room. | ||
| They send their kids to public schools, it's a huge drain. | ||
| And many states are eligible for SNAP, They're eligible for other benefits. And they work low | ||
| wages because they're not educated. | ||
| They work low skill, low paying jobs. They will never in a million years, maybe in a million, | ||
| but they won't pay off in taxes what they receive in services. It's a big fiscal impact. | ||
| In many cases, they're criminals. They don't share our culture. They won't like you. | ||
| And we cannot, I mean, it's just obvious that this border bill thing was an ass saving move. | ||
| They poison pilled it with a bunch of nonsense so that they could blame it on Trump. But we | ||
| We all know the reality and it's wrecking our country. | ||
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That was five topics. | |
| I think this was a good spirited debate overall. | ||
| I appreciate both of your time. | ||
| Aiden, do you have any thoughts? | ||
| You guys were, well, I would say about 90% of it you guys respected, you know, each other's time speaking and stuff and it was awesome. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| Great conversations. | ||
| Great, great defense. | ||
| Great offense. | ||
| First time I've ever done one of these and it felt really, really cool. | ||
| I'm definitely do more of this. | ||
| How do you guys feel? | ||
| We'll start with you, Dean. | ||
| Like, how would you feel overall about this debate? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I'm like, oh, we got a little bit of an echo there. | ||
| Oh, sorry, go ahead. | ||
| No, dude, you're all good. | ||
| I mean, I think overall, like, I'll first just kind of give my thoughts about, you know, just having the debate on your platform. | ||
| Dude, I think that was, like, really, really, really cool. | ||
| I like the idea of exposing more people to what I believe in and why. | ||
| I ultimately think if everyone thought like me, the world would be better off, and you kind of gave me more of an opportunity to achieve that. | ||
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All things considered, you know, it's good to have, you know, like, a conversation about why people disagree. | |
| These conversations need to be held more I'd say that you're overall doing a good thing here. | ||
| I think that I did pretty well as well. | ||
| Nick, specifically to you, I think for a lot of it, you know, you're a pretty disingenuous debater, but I'll keep my personal qualms to myself. | ||
| I appreciate you for the conversation over the course of the last hour and a half. | ||
| And then Aiden, maybe you're at the end. | ||
| I wanted to throw my socials out there for all the people in chat that may want them after watching me debate, but I'll leave that off until later. | ||
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Thank you so much, bro. | |
| I appreciate that, Dean. | ||
| All right, and what about you, Nick? | ||
| What would you like to say to the people? | ||
| And last words to Dean. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Yeah, well, thanks for having me on. | ||
| I thought it was a lot of fun. | ||
| It's very informative. | ||
| People get to learn about the topics. | ||
| That's how you learn about an issue. | ||
| You know, you have to hear both sides. | ||
| That wasn't nice. | ||
| I don't think I was disingenuous. | ||
| I'm funny, okay, and I'm a little sarcastic sometimes, but I think it's pretty clear to differentiate. | ||
| You know, I think he's a young guy. | ||
| Fundamentally, I think a lot of the partisan debates are kind of, they're too shallow. | ||
| I think that We all kind of go through a phase when we're young, and not to like, sun you, I'm unk status now, but like, we all go through a phase when we're teenagers, we're precocious, have a political disposition. | ||
| And, you know, we kind of rush for like, I'm a Republican, I'm a Democrat, the Republicans are good, the Democrats are bad. | ||
| The reality of politics is that Democrats and Republicans are really on the same side. | ||
| And Republicans are one wing, and they're meant to create the illusion of opposition or dynamism, where there really isn't any. | ||
| And the personnel and the policies turn over from one administration to the next. | ||
| There's very little difference. | ||
| And I think that's even largely true in this election. | ||
| And people get caught up in rhetoric and these appeals to emotion slogans. | ||
| People have to really follow the money. | ||
| They need to look at things like imports and exports. | ||
| They need to look at energy. | ||
| They need to look at institutional capture. | ||
| That's where you really discern the truth. | ||
| So these kinds of intramural debates are fun. | ||
| We go back and forth, but it's so much deeper. | ||
| It's such a complex subject. | ||
| But it's good that people are interested in it, and I appreciate Dean for coming on. | ||
| I hope that he keeps reading. | ||
| Keep reading, keep learning. | ||
| You know, in 10 years, I guarantee you'll have a totally different viewpoint. | ||
| Maybe you're still left-wing, but you'll have a different viewpoint for sure. | ||
| I heard that when I was young. | ||
| I didn't believe it, and then it was true. | ||
| I only became more right-wing. | ||
| But you have to have that curiosity. | ||
| I'll become more left-wing. | ||
| I was a Trump supporter when I was 16. | ||
| I'm sure you will. | ||
| I'm sure you will. | ||
| But yeah, I thought it was great. | ||
| I thought it was great. | ||
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Wait, sorry, didn't you cut off? | |
| You said you were a Trump supporter when you were 16? | ||
| Oh, dude, I used to be a vehement Trump supporter. | ||
| Like, Aiden, I was like a big Trump fan, like Andrew Tate guy, I was like all of that shit. | ||
| You know, we could delve into the reasons why not super necessary for the live, but I guess the point is, the only reason I brought that up is because seemingly I've had a more progressive trend the more that I've matured. | ||
| I gotcha. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Well, you're going to ask him about a previous debate that Nick had on Twitch. | ||
| Nick, did you... I'm going to ask you too, Dino, about something as well. | ||
| Nick, did you previously debate Hasan Abi on Twitch? | ||
| I did, yes. | ||
| And someone told me that resulted in you getting banned on Twitch? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that was the reason for my ban. | ||
| Destiny Mass reported me because he was on the debate as well. | ||
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Who won the debate in the people's eyes? | |
| Me. | ||
| Well, it was me and Sargon of Akkad, remember him? | ||
| It was me and him, we won. | ||
| How did I do compared to Destiny? | ||
| Not as well. | ||
| But Destiny is probably your top guy, I think, on the left. | ||
|
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Well, let me- Nick, Nick, I'm gonna let- Dean, I'll be real, I'll be real, man. | |
| You're 1920, like, you're probably, like, the best well-spoken 1920-year-old debater I've ever heard. | ||
| And look, and I fucking- No, seriously. | ||
| And look, I don't agree with everything. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| But still, me and Sneaker are sitting here muted watching. | ||
| You have a lot of great points. | ||
| You have a lot of good discussions. | ||
| You know, a lot of good counters. | ||
| But, I mean, Nick, go ahead. | ||
| What do you think about him overall as a debater? | ||
| You know, I think on a technical level, the rhetoric is effective at debating. | ||
| I hate rhetoric. | ||
| There is too much, like, sloganeering in there and kind of, like, cheap turns of phrase that, like, oh, you think that doesn't pass the smell test? | ||
| This doesn't pass. | ||
| Those, like, cheap turns of phrase, I think that's what they are. | ||
| I think they're cheap. | ||
| Some of the sloganeering, like, Trump is going to make you pay more at the grocery store. | ||
| This is just, like, political electioneering rhetoric. | ||
| I like debates that are just very frank and brutal and straightforward and about the facts, and I like humor in there. | ||
| So it's a different style. | ||
| I think Dems lean a little more on rhetoric and sophistry and syllogisms and hypotheticals. | ||
| I think right-wing people are a little bit more plain-talking and maybe lighthearted and fun. | ||
| That's my view of it. | ||
|
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Yeah, I'd hold the exact opposite, but I mean, I'm guessing you'd be able to guess that I'd say that. | |
| Well, yeah, you're you and I'm me, so. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Great. | ||
| Well, let me ask you both a question. | ||
| Dean, if you would like to call somebody out, I would love to have you on again. | ||
| Dean, I would love for you to call somebody. | ||
| I'll try to pull some who are like maybe two or three people, Dean, that you would like to debate on my stream next. | ||
| Oh, man, Nico. | ||
| What topics? | ||
| Well, I have to talk about it, man. | ||
| I would love to debate you. | ||
| I would love to debate you, Sneeko. | ||
| That's what I'd like to do. | ||
| I'd also, right, you said like a couple people, I mean if there's selections here, you know, Andrew Tate, okay? | ||
| This guy, he fucking tweeted at me on Twitter and he said I was the reason why like white people are being replaced or some like crazy Nick Fuentes shit like that. | ||
| Um, and then I like, I quote, I retweeted it and, uh, called him out. | ||
| It went crazy, but he's, he's pivoting. | ||
| He's dodging. | ||
| I won a debate. | ||
| Uh, you know, and then something else. | ||
| I got a buddy. | ||
| His name is Parker. | ||
| If y'all ever have anything to be too going on, he would love to hop on one of | ||
| these and it'd be great for the content. | ||
| Real smart guy. | ||
| For sure. | ||
|
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Real quick. | |
| Do you know who Harry is by the way? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Are you, are you also Harry's friend? | |
| Yeah, I'm friends with Harry. | ||
|
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Oh, okay. | |
| Now I'm just curious. | ||
| Okay, and then, Nick, who would you like to debate next? | ||
| I'll see what... I'll work some... | ||
| I'm calling out Charlie Kirk. | ||
| I'm calling out Candace Owens. | ||
| I debate her. | ||
| I debate Shapiro. | ||
| I debate... I debate any of the above. | ||
| Or any of the Democrats. | ||
| You know, Harry Sisson or whoever. | ||
| But I usually debate conservatives, actually. | ||
|
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So... Gotcha. | |
| Real quick. | ||
| Really quick here. | ||
| I do want to say, you know, again, Dean, we've been trying to find you. | ||
| I've been trying to find you a matchup for a while. | ||
| I want to let you know, everyone was basically like, I'm busy. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| Nick finds out two minutes later. | ||
| He doesn't even know who you are. | ||
| He says, I'm down. | ||
| Let's do it for sure. | ||
| I just want to let you know, you know, Nick, you know, I do appreciate the last minute. | ||
| I was, we were, me and Dean have been trying to go at this thing for, you know, some, quite some time now. | ||
| So last minute, Nick was just like, yeah, sure. | ||
| I'll do it. | ||
| You didn't even know who he was. | ||
| No hesitation. | ||
| You just, you just said, screw it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I will say, I'm not going to say names, but a lot of people didn't want to debate Dean. | ||
| I'll say that. | ||
| A lot of people were not really wanting to do it, so... Wait, let me be... Nick has been trying to debate Ben Shapiro for about seven, eight years, and maybe you could use the Jewish connections, and that'd be a great one. | ||
| Well, it's not a Jewish connection in the atmosphere, but I will reach out to Shapiro, and I'll see if he would like to debate Fuentes. | ||
| Yeah, I'll do it. | ||
|
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Um, okay. | |
| Well, you guys were fucking awesome. | ||
| I appreciate both of you. | ||
| Again, guys, any last words you'd like to say before we head on out? | ||
| Yeah, do you mind if I plug myself? | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| If you're watching the debate, I'm sure that it's a heavily right-leaning chat. | ||
| I mean, this got Donald Trump on a couple months back, so I doubt I'll get that much love. | ||
| But if you liked what you saw and you enjoyed, you know, my debating style, I'm on Instagram at Dean Withers, D-E-A-N-W-I-T-H-R-S. | ||
| I'm on Twitter at I-T-S-D-E-A-A-N-N. | ||
| It's Dean with two A's, two N's. | ||
| TikTok is the same thing as a Twitter. | ||
| But yeah, I appreciate everyone for showing up and showing out. | ||
| It was a fun little debate tonight. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| And then, Nick, anything you'd like to say? | ||
| Yeah, well, just thanks again, Aiden. | ||
| Good to talk to you again, Sneko. | ||
| Dean, thanks for coming on. | ||
| Fun debate. | ||
| Appreciate everybody watching. | ||
| Hey, I've defended Trump, but I'm telling people, don't vote for Trump. | ||
| He's not far right enough. | ||
| That's my new, he's bringing us to war with Iran. | ||
| He's not going to deport all the illegals. | ||
| I'm telling people, don't vote. | ||
| We got the Jill Stein of the right over here. | ||
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We got the Jill Stein of the right. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Principled. | ||
| Principled and based. | ||
| I'm not going to plug myself because that's just like, you know, follow me in real... I'm Nick Fuentes. | ||
| Follow me at Nick Fuentes in real life. | ||
| I'm new to the show. | ||
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I'm new to the show. | |
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| When you're young, you... When you're... Look, when you're unk status like me, it's like, hey, follow me in the astral plane, okay? | ||
| Follow me in the ether. | ||
| I am on Rumble, though. | ||
| But, well, yeah, so it was a fun debate. | ||
| Good meeting you and good seeing you guys, Aidan and Sneko. | ||
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Oh, sorry, I was muted. | |
| All right, guys, I really appreciate it. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You guys have a good night. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thanks, you too. | ||
|
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Bye. | |
| All right. | ||
| Well, there you have it. | ||
| There's the debate. | ||
| How did I do? | ||
| How did I do? | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| Can we get some live reactions? | ||
| One in the chat if you think I won. | ||
| Two if you thought I lost. | ||
| But really, I only want to see... What do you think? | ||
|
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Dubs? | |
| Dubs in the chat? | ||
| Total victory on Aiden Ross? | ||
| W Aiden Ross? | ||
| Aiden Ross is one of the best Jews in the country. | ||
| You know, everybody calls me an anti-Semitic, anti-Semite. | ||
| I'm not an anti-Semite. | ||
| I love Jesus. | ||
| I like Laura Loomer, and I love Aiden Ross, and he's a good dude, and I love Sneko. | ||
| Look at that! | ||
| A Jew, a Muslim, a Catholic, and, you know, we're the best of friends. | ||
| We're great, you know. | ||
| I don't know if they want me to say that, but, you know, they're good people, and we like them. | ||
| So, it was a fun debate. | ||
| I had a good time. | ||
| All ones in the chat. | ||
| Dude, like, I can't do, like, the Democrat GPT thing, though. | ||
| I just can't. | ||
| The whole, like, Talking like a Democrat politician the whole, you know, you're gonna pay more at the grocery store with Trump. | ||
| You don't care about the debt? | ||
| Oh my goodness gracious! | ||
| It's like, no, no, nigga, I don't care about the fucking debt. | ||
| The debt is going up. | ||
| That's all you could say about it. | ||
| It's going up all the time. | ||
| People go, the tax cuts will cause the deficit to go up. | ||
| They drop eight trillion dollars because of the pandemic. | ||
| You worried about tax cuts? | ||
| Give me a break. | ||
| They print the money. | ||
| It's not real, okay? | ||
| It's called modern monetary theory. | ||
| So, You know, and the whole like, oh, you believe in God, but slavery's in the Bible? | ||
| It's like, can we all grow up and be adults about it? | ||
| Yeah, there's evil in the world, bro. | ||
| So anyway, so some of that stuff, I'm just like, are you kidding me? | ||
| Then he's, the whole gay thing, I'm like, yeah, I think homosexuality is just like filthy and violent and unnatural. | ||
| And he's like, well, you're just prejudiced. | ||
| Probably like how you're prejudiced against black people. | ||
| It's like, what does that even have to do with anything? | ||
| So, you know, that whole like Democrat brain rot, it's like, it just becomes a waste of time. | ||
| I'll do it. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| I'll do it. | ||
| I have fun. | ||
| I thought it was a fun debate. | ||
| I was making jokes. | ||
| This guy was treating it like it was the Nuremberg trials. | ||
| He was putting me on trial, asking me questions, pointed questions. | ||
| But if we're being totally honest, although we'll do it, it is like a big waste of time to argue with liberals about, you know, subjective morality and whether we should have a freaking border and all this kind of stuff. | ||
| It's like, that's why I think it's far more advantageous and progressive to debate within the conservative movement. | ||
| We didn't make the conservative movement more right-wing. | ||
| These brain rot Democrats, they're lost. | ||
| And you can kind of see it really is like a dispositional thing. | ||
| When you have this disposition, like the leadership question was so good. | ||
| Because I'm like, what do you think as a leader? | ||
| And he's like, well, they have to bring people together for a positive direction. | ||
| And it's like, yeah, but if you're a conservative, if you're not a girl, you know that being a leader is about being a fucking warlord. | ||
| Like, you have to be ready to cut people. | ||
| You can't be president, you can't be king, unless you're willing to cut people. | ||
| Like, Oliver Stone says that Vladimir Putin executes people himself. | ||
| Like, he personally kills the people. | ||
| That's the level, and probably Bill Gates does too. | ||
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You know, I'm like on a theoretical level. | |
| And so when you're talking to somebody and they're saying, we need to protect women and girls, like these slogan-earing things, and it's like, women are actually smarter than us. | ||
| Like, no, they're not. | ||
| And saying leadership is about a positive direction. | ||
| What is this like corpo drone, like human resources talk? | ||
| We live in the world. | ||
| We have knowledge through experience. | ||
| We have knowledge based on common sense and intuition. | ||
| And, you know, these types of people, they like to come in and... | ||
| They want to make it about studies or hypotheticals and syllogisms and it's overly reductive. | ||
| Oh, you think the butt is meant for shitting? | ||
| Well, so I can't play the piano? | ||
| It's like, OK, are we being honest or are we trying to make a point? | ||
| So, you know, that's why I think engaging with a lot of these Democrats, it's like, OK, what are we doing? | ||
| They're just like defending a partisan political party. | ||
| In my view, the world is a far more complex place than like you're a loyal Democrat voter. | ||
| And then therefore you have to agree with all the basket of goods that comes with being a Democrat and everything. | ||
| So that's why I say, you know, we're debating and it's like, we got to vote for Kamala because of the deficit. | ||
| It's like, how out of touch do you have to be to think that that is the seminal issue of our time? | ||
| Like you must just have no, but that's what happens when you're a young person. | ||
| I think your context is like, I don't even know what if you don't have a real job, you don't own things, you don't have a sense of history or context in the history of the world. | ||
| Then you think that what's going on in the world is deficit reduction, when what's going on in the world is like a demographic transition. | ||
| and this transition because of industrial technological innovations and modernity and | ||
| liberalism. | ||
| These are all the primary developments we're really talking about and we're talking about | ||
| like taxes and he says that tariffs are like a tax on consumers. | ||
| That came from a think tank, from a multinational corporation-funded think tank. | ||
| So anyway, I feel like a lot of those conversations are just so like low on the tone. | ||
| And for people that don't even really know what they're talking about, he got all this stuff wrong where he's like, oh, the border bill was in 2023. | ||
| It's like, no, it was in 2024. | ||
| And you'd know that if you knew the whole legislative history of the bill and how it came about and in reaction to what. | ||
| But if you don't know those things, you easily misplace those facts. | ||
| I've been doing this for a long time. | ||
| I know the whole story. | ||
| So... Anyway, so those are my thoughts. | ||
| But I thought it was a... It was a fine debate. | ||
| I was... It was a little obnoxious, all the, like... Just, like, painful, like, new atheism stupidity. | ||
| But other than that, it was pretty good. | ||
| So, I wasn't even watching the reactions. | ||
| I hope the chat liked it. | ||
| I hope Aiden Ross liked it. | ||
| Aiden Ross is... People are saying he's calling me right now. | ||
| Let me pull Discord back up. | ||
| I don't have my thing on. | ||
| He's not calling me. | ||
| People are saying he's not calling me back. | ||
| If he called me, I'll answer if he calls me back. | ||
| You're trolling me in the live chat! | ||
| People are saying, oh, he's calling you back. | ||
| No, he's not. | ||
| So anyway. | ||
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Now, let me see. | |
| If we have super chats, I guess I'll read them, even though I don't really want to. | ||
| No, he is. | ||
| He did. | ||
| He didn't. | ||
| I'm looking at it. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Alright, let's see. | ||
| Did we get any big superchats? | ||
| I'll read the big ones. | ||
| I'll save the other ones for tomorrow because I'm tired. | ||
| He's calling on the phone? | ||
| People are saying... No, he's not, dude. | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| Stop trolling me. | ||
| You like the hat Schilling? | ||
| Gingerbread grow a percent $100 who would you rather have run the country your wife or Hitler? | ||
| Easy also love the subtle hat shilling throughout the debate w you like the hat shilling you like | ||
| That is so funny I'm putting on the different hats. | ||
| Fuentes.store. | ||
| If you want to buy one of these hats, it's Fuentes.store. | ||
| AmericaFirstStore.net. | ||
| They're $40. | ||
| Free shipping. | ||
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| It says America First. | ||
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| NJF on the back. | ||
| They're made in the USA. | ||
| Fuentes.story, you can buy him using Bitcoin. | ||
| Oh, he is calling me! | ||
| Okay, he is calling me. | ||
| Let me call him back. | ||
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We'll see if he picks up. | |
| So yeah, you like the subtle hat shilling? | ||
| Buy the hat! | ||
| Buy the hat! | ||
| I'm changing the hats during the debate. | ||
|
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Hey! | |
| What's up? | ||
|
unidentified
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What's up, bro? | |
| What up? | ||
| So what did you think of that? | ||
|
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Well, I agree with a lot of the stuff you said, except for the Hitler part and the Holocaust part, but... Yeah, sorry. | |
| He baited me into that. | ||
| I couldn't help myself. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
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You couldn't help yourself, huh? | |
| I couldn't. | ||
| He... I'm not gonna not... I had to spring the trap when he said, would you choose Hitler or your wife? | ||
| What am I gonna say, my wife? | ||
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That's a good argument, though. | |
| I think everybody would rather have Hitler than their wife. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| I was just like... The moment called for it. | ||
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It demanded it. | |
| But yeah, I thought it was good. | ||
| What do you think of the guy? | ||
| What do you think of Dean? | ||
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I think he's a nice guy to me, bro, in the DMs. | |
| I think he's, you know, like you said, he's smart, bro. | ||
| Regardless of what anyone can say, for a 19-year-old, he's really, really smart, bro. | ||
| He's good. | ||
| He's good health. | ||
| He's trained. | ||
| He's good. | ||
| You know, he's good. | ||
| He's precocious, yeah. | ||
| They're all debate bros. | ||
| All these teenagers now are all, like, debate bros, but they're all, like, super pro-Democrat or Republican. | ||
| We need to move beyond that, you know? | ||
| It's like Harry Sisson. | ||
| It's like you're 19, you're like a shill for the Democratic Party. | ||
| At least be, like, a leftist, you know what I mean? | ||
|
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Who do you want to win the presidential? | |
| I'm indifferent. | ||
| I don't really care that much, honestly. | ||
| I used to want Trump to win, but Trump has totally transformed himself. | ||
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Why do you say that? | |
| Well, like, you know, the big problem in his first term was personnel. | ||
| He hired all these, like, rhinos, Republicans and name only. | ||
| Basically hired the swamp establishment people. | ||
| And that's why he got, like, nothing done in his first term, because they were all sabotaging him and messing with him. | ||
| And he's going to do the same thing again. | ||
| His transition team, his campaign staff, they will fire you for being right-wing. | ||
| It's going to be log cabin Republicans, it's going to be Zionists, it's going to be... Real quick, real quick. | ||
|
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I mean, dude, and I get it. | |
| You could go the Israel route, right? | ||
| Both presidents are allied with Israel, you know what I mean? | ||
| So it's like Kamala or Trump's going to win. | ||
| But who would you rather have? | ||
| You said Trump. | ||
| I get it you're not voting, but you'd be happier if Trump won over Kamala, correct? | ||
| I mean, Trump would be the better president, but I think in the long run it would be worse because Trump has become a part of the establishment and he will legitimize the establishment. | ||
| In other words, people think he's a revolutionary. | ||
| If he wins, people think, oh, we had a revolution, but it's the same stuff. | ||
| So in a way, it's like if Kamala wins and she does the war in Iran and she catches the recession, it's like we could get a real revolutionary in 28. | ||
| I'm kind of like, I think we need to just reset and do 28. | ||
| That's my opinion. | ||
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Well, regardless, you know, it wouldn't be bad to have four more years of Trump and then you do the reset, you know? | |
| I mean, it would take another four years after Trump. | ||
| It would take another president and then another four years for the reset. | ||
| I get what you're saying. | ||
| Guy's already tried calling and he didn't answer. | ||
| Oh, he is calling me. | ||
| Wait, let me add you to this call, Nick. | ||
| Give me a second, okay? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| One second. | ||
| How do I? | ||
| I think they're bringing in Tate. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
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And this is somebody else calling me. | |
| I don't even know what that is. | ||
| Tch tch tch tch tch. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Oh yeah, they're bringing on Andrew Tate. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| I think they're going to add me in a sec. | ||
|
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We'll see here. | |
| There we go. | ||
| My bad. | ||
| I leaked your shit, bro. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| It's a burner. | ||
| How many discos have you made? | ||
| This is a, I don't know, dude, I've been banned since 2018 or something. | ||
|
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So every stream, it's a new one. | |
| Yup. | ||
| So this is a new one. | ||
|
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How's it going Andrew? | |
| Can you hear? | ||
| Yeah, I'm there. | ||
| I'm trying to log in on my big computer though. | ||
| Can you see me? | ||
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No. | |
| Give me two minutes, friends. | ||
|
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All right. | |
| Sounds good. | ||
| I'll leave Rumble, and this is the most Rumble stream that we could have possibly done. | ||
| The timing of this is absolutely incredible. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| Well, Nick, I wanted to ask you a question. | ||
| So, with what's going on in the world, how do we stop the war in your eyes? | ||
| Like, how do we stop what's going on? | ||
| There's multiple wars going on, right? | ||
| So, in your eyes, what do we do to stop the war? | ||
| Now, I know you are going to probably be like, let's get rid of Israel, but it's obviously, you know, no? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Just gotta cut the aid. | ||
| You know, there is a genocide going on in Gaza, and it's horrible. | ||
| That's what they're—they destroyed half the infrastructure. | ||
| They probably killed hundreds of thousands with the famine and everything. | ||
| It's just not moral. | ||
| We gotta cut the aid. | ||
| If you cut the aid, the war stops. | ||
| But the other thing is, Israel wants to bring us into a war with Iran and Hezbollah. | ||
| It's going to unroll in phases. | ||
| It's going to unravel first Hamas, then Hezbollah, then Iran. | ||
| They want to do regime change in Iran, and they want us to do it. | ||
| They've wanted it for 20 years, specifically Netanyahu. | ||
| We've got to cut the aid. | ||
| is dependent on our money and our military, then we should call the shots and say your war ends now. | ||
| There's going to be a Palestinian state. | ||
| You're not going to decapitate the Iranian regime and that's it. | ||
| In Russia, you got to say that Ukraine will never join NATO and allow Russia to maintain its sphere of influence with Belarus, Ukraine, Central Asia. | ||
| It's a multipolar world and they should have their slice of it. | ||
| They get a vote and you know we're going to lose this war in Ukraine if we don't. | ||
| So I think that's how you solve it. | ||
| And I think Trump would do the latter. | ||
| I think Kamala may do the former, although you're probably right, she'd probably give Israel their war anyway. | ||
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So who do you think is the revolutionary that you want in 2028? | |
| They haven't announced themselves yet. | ||
| I don't know who it would be. | ||
| And it would be... Sorry. | ||
| The problem is... Yeah, go ahead. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| My bad. | ||
| My bad. | ||
| Go. | ||
| My bad, bro. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think there is anybody that's really good, you know? | ||
| And here's the thing. | ||
| Trump in 2016, let's be very clear. | ||
| He said, let's end the wars. | ||
| Let's build a wall. | ||
| Let's make America great again. | ||
| Did he do it? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, one, he didn't. | ||
| But he didn't because he hired, like, establishment Republicans and they sabotaged it. | ||
| Now, he should have come back and said, I'm only going to hire loyalists. | ||
| I'm only going to hire America firsters, but he's not doing that now. | ||
| And so what you have is he's talking about stapling green cards to diplomas. | ||
| That means mass immigration. | ||
| He's threatening a war with Iran. | ||
| And so for that reason, I'm saying like, as a conservative, as an America firster, he lost me. | ||
| He became like another Republican. | ||
| So, but we have, looks like Andrew Tate's here. | ||
| So we'll, I'm going to introduce him. | ||
| Hi, guys. | ||
| I'm just sorting out my tech. | ||
| You can hear me and see me? | ||
|
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Yes, sir. | |
| I like your new background and that new camera, maybe? | ||
| Looks good. | ||
| Well, thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Are you still on drugs, Aiden? | ||
|
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No, I'm not. | |
| How's your case going? | ||
| Oh, well, you know, I am a rapist, as you saw. | ||
| I saw that on Twitter. | ||
| You said I was a rapist. | ||
| But, you know, I'm kind of leaning into it now. | ||
| Like, I'm a human trafficker. | ||
| It's how I got so rich. | ||
| How did you get that, Bugatti? | ||
| I human traffic. | ||
| When they come up to me with the TikToks, what's your job? | ||
| I'm like, I human traffic. | ||
| That's what I do. | ||
| So, um, I have no problem with you saying that. | ||
| In fact, I kind of like the rumor. | ||
| It's kind of cool. | ||
| Street cred. | ||
|
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But you know it was a joke. | |
| I know you're not a rapist. | ||
| No, no, no joking. | ||
| No joking. | ||
| Don't make me rape your mom. | ||
| Don't make... Don't make me do it. | ||
| I'll find her ass, and I'll make it real. | ||
| Well, stick to your words. | ||
|
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You can't leave the country, so that's impossible. | |
| I will human traffic your mother, Aiden. | ||
| Don't fuck with me. | ||
|
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You can't even leave the country! | |
| Yet! | ||
| The case is falling apart in real time, and I need some new, you know, some new spice in my life. | ||
| Like, they've only raided my house four times. | ||
| I wake up at 5am every morning expecting the busting with guns, and when they don't, I'm kinda like, You know, you're making your coffee a little bit sad. | ||
| You know, you got that sad look on your face like, ah, I thought they cared about me. | ||
| They don't care about me anymore. | ||
| You know, it's kind of funny. | ||
| They used to think I was the biggest problem on the internet when I said women couldn't drive, but now everyone knows women can't drive and everyone just agrees with it. | ||
| So it's just like, oh, fuck it. | ||
| Let him off. | ||
| So now I just keep winning in court. | ||
| Fun's over. | ||
| I need to up the game. | ||
| I had to do something else. | ||
| The whole point of life is to explore the map of the world, right? | ||
| What better level to the map than a Romanian dungeon? | ||
| It's cool. | ||
|
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Well, congrats on getting your cars back. | |
| It was $40 million worth of vehicles returned. | ||
| Thank you very much, sir. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| So, yeah, they even gave me my shit back. | ||
| Like, you know, where's the fun now? | ||
| I am so over this case. | ||
| People keep asking me about it and they're like, oh, hey, Andrew, it's been a while. | ||
| How's the case? | ||
| Like, I go, do you guys have any idea what it's like to go to court in Romania? | ||
| Like, I don't even know what they're fucking saying. | ||
| I don't even know what's going on. | ||
| I haven't read my indictment. | ||
| I haven't read any of it. | ||
| This whole three year saga, I've not read any of it. | ||
| I don't know what I'm accused of properly. | ||
| It's just like going through the motions. | ||
| It's like, either put me in jail or let me go. | ||
|
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It is what it is at this point. | |
| I feel like just saying, Your Honor, you weren't there. | ||
| So move to dismiss all charges, please. | ||
| But I don't think that would work in a legal defense. | ||
| If I spoke Romanian, that's what I'd say. | ||
| But I don't. | ||
| So I'm either going to go to jail or I'm not. | ||
| But it looks like I'm not. | ||
| So they gave me all my stuff back. | ||
| So I'm richer. | ||
| And it is what it is. | ||
| What about you guys? | ||
| What have you all been up to? | ||
| I saw you debating some little homo earlier on your show. | ||
| Who is he? | ||
|
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He wants to debate you next! | |
| Well, of course he does. | ||
| Who doesn't want to fucking debate me? | ||
| He wants relevancy. | ||
| What's his worldviews? | ||
| What does he think? | ||
|
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I'm all over Trump. | |
| He believes that homosexuality is not morally bad. | ||
| What are the other ones? | ||
| He thinks that Kamala's better at immigration. | ||
| He thinks that being gay is good. | ||
| He thinks that transgenderism is good. | ||
| You know, this is one of the only things I disagree with Nick on. | ||
| Because, Nick, I actually agree with 99% of the things you say. | ||
| But don't you kind of feel like, when you see little dickheads like that, that the white people just deserve to lose their country? | ||
| Don't you just kind of look and go, I mean, I'm brown, right? | ||
| So I'm on both things. | ||
| But I just kind of look and go, yep. | ||
| That's why you're fucked. | ||
| That's why we're gonna keep coming. | ||
| We're gonna fuck your women. | ||
| We're gonna give them babies. | ||
| We're gonna keep walking across the border. | ||
| You ain't gonna do shit. | ||
| Oh, wait, look, who's the defenders of your race? | ||
| Who's the men who are gonna stand up and defend us? | ||
| And you got this dipshit. | ||
| They please come destroy us. | ||
| So they'll fucking, what the fuck you want? | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Well, that's why all the defenders of white people aren't even white. | ||
| I'm Mexican. | ||
| They all point that out. | ||
| They're like, this guy's actually Mexican. | ||
| And it's true. | ||
| It's like, who stands up for white people? | ||
| You, Sneko, me, Zerko, who's Albanian. | ||
| It's like Myron, who's Sudanese. | ||
| And I'm like, I'm waiting for like the blonde-haired, blue-eyed guy to save us, but you get these people like that guy who was just on here. | ||
| They're all pro-gay, they say. | ||
| It's very interesting how, it's the psychology of just begging for the decimation, hoping that they'll be eaten last by the crocodile. | ||
| They think if I'm a big enough of a cuck, then they'll keep me as a little serf, they'll keep me as a little slave. | ||
| I'm not understanding that. | ||
| The majority of white people are already marginalized in a country you're in the majority of. | ||
| What's gonna happen when you're fucking the minority? | ||
| It's over! | ||
| It's fucking over! | ||
| It's over! | ||
| Sneeko and I disagreed about this when I was saying that race is super real. | ||
| It is, because humans are tribal. | ||
| Humans are tribal, and I'm telling you that's how it works. | ||
| If you don't think humans are tribal, sir, Sneeko, go to fucking jail, and you'll see right away how tribal it is. | ||
| You'll see this group, that group, this group, that group. | ||
| Humans are tribal, so when you have A country like America where you have so much hatred towards white people, which has been instigated and pushed via the propaganda machine and by the educational system. | ||
| They're currently a majority, but they're soon going to become a minority because they don't reproduce and the borders are wide open and little dickheads like whoever that was are begging for it. | ||
| The future is bleak for the white man. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| I've never said that as a brown man. | ||
| The future is bleak. | ||
| It's easy to see. | ||
|
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I've always agreed with Nick that race is real. | |
| That debate can never really be won. | ||
| Race is real. | ||
| But I don't believe that any race is superior to another race. | ||
| And I don't think that's something that you disagree with as well. | ||
| I think the wording of your tweet was a little bit... It seemed like you understood why that that... | ||
| It's saying that white supremacy is totally- that white supremacists are totally right while it's incorrect. | ||
| I don't think that white people are better than black people. | ||
| And I- There's a lot of people on Twitter- Maybe- I would've never said that Nick was a white supremacist either. | ||
| Nick wants to have a debate about this as well, but I don't think that any race is superior to another. | ||
| Well, he fucking better be a white supremacist, because he looks white to me, so he better fucking be. | ||
| I don't know what kind of cuck you have to be to not believe you're the baddest motherfucker on the planet anyway. | ||
|
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I ain't any- Your- Your mic went out. | |
| Oh. | ||
| Now we do. | ||
| The last part we didn't hear. | ||
| I think being mixed race is the ultimate human. | ||
| I think being hybrid is the best possible existence. | ||
| If you're white and you're not a white supremacist, then you're fucking gay. | ||
| And if you're black and you're not a black supremacist, then you're gay. | ||
| I believe being mixed race is the perfect possible way to be. | ||
| I love being a daywalker. | ||
| I'm black in jail. | ||
| I'm white in court. | ||
| I can do whatever I need to do. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| I don't see why you'd be anything else. | ||
| And the tweet I made was saying race is super real and that white supremacists are right, they're being replaced, and that their life is going to become very difficult. | ||
| They are! | ||
| That's completely true. | ||
| I also believe that cultures are real, and I also believe that cultures derive actions and they derive certain habits from people. | ||
| I believe that there's a culture in Congo which is different than the culture in the West. | ||
| So you can sit and say, white people act a certain way, black people act a certain way, or you can pussy out and say it's cultural, but that's the reality of it. | ||
| And I also do believe, I'll tell you right now, I'll say it, black people are, we're better athletes. | ||
| Just the truth. | ||
| Look at, look at the NFL, look at the NBA. | ||
| We're better athletes. | ||
| White people are more organized. | ||
| Bro, take it from me. | ||
| It's the reality of the game. | ||
| I live with white and black people in my house. | ||
| Half my family's black. | ||
| Half my family's white. | ||
| I'm not saying one's better than the other. | ||
| What's better depends on the scenario. | ||
| You can't say one's, you can, I mean, if you're white, you should be saying white people are the best. | ||
| If you're black, you should be saying black people are the best. | ||
| But it's for me, I'm just sitting here saying, well, it depends on the scenario. | ||
| If I'm in the, if I'm in the Sahara or if I'm in, if I'm going to have a street fight or if I'm in the desert or whatever, then I want to have all my black friends with me. | ||
| If I have to go through my legal paperwork, I want my white friends with me. | ||
| I want black guys like, this is long. | ||
| Just tell the judge, just go to jail, bro. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| Like, so there's different attitudes towards things. | ||
| My tweet was pretty clear, I thought. | ||
| My tweet was that white supremacists are right. | ||
| They have a huge problem in their nations. | ||
| Pretending you don't is the surest path to destruction. | ||
| And white people pretending they don't are the biggest fucking traitors of all, which is what I tweeted. | ||
| That the white man's problem is not the black man as much as it is the fucking treasonous cowards on their side. | ||
| They're being betrayed by their fellow man and mostly they're betrayed by their women. | ||
| The white women are betraying the race completely. | ||
| Take it from me! | ||
| Because they don't give a fuck. | ||
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They don't give a shit. | |
| You said white supremacists are totally right. | ||
| I think they're wrong about outsourcing the blame on a lot of people. | ||
| The blame will be about the Zionists, will be about the Jews, will be about the blacks that are coming in. | ||
| I think there needs to be more self-accountability from white people, especially the ones that want re-immigration and all these things. | ||
| Well, why is the birth rate declining? | ||
| Is it because everything else is outsourced? | ||
| Or do we need to blame ourselves for these problems? | ||
| I don't think it's wrong to blame. | ||
| You have to place the blame. | ||
| Because the problem is we are being told by outsiders that we're racist and we're being disarmed by these things. | ||
| And I think, I don't know if it's even necessarily blame. | ||
| Like, when I look at immigration, you can understand why desperate people want to come to America and Europe. | ||
| Of course they want to come here. | ||
| We have better stuff. | ||
| They don't like the Constitution. | ||
| They don't like America. | ||
| They don't like liberalism. | ||
| They like welfare. | ||
| They want housing. | ||
| They want healthcare. | ||
| And you get it. | ||
| But there is clearly a reason why they're coming in. | ||
| And it is true that white people are a big part of it. | ||
| But there is also an active subversion. | ||
| And like the first political act is to decide who's on your team and who's not on your team. | ||
| And if we could say that the immigrants are not on our team because they want to come here and we don't want them here. | ||
| And if you could say that the liberal white people are in our team because they're letting | ||
| them in, you could also say that there's subversive elements like the Zionists or like liberal | ||
| Jews like Soros and others that are poisoning the well, poisoning the culture, bringing | ||
| in the immigrants. | ||
| And it's really more about identification. | ||
| But I do agree there is a spiritual crisis. | ||
| It does derive from, like Andrew said, white people are afraid of their own shadow. | ||
| We're afraid of ourselves. | ||
| We're afraid to say white supremacy because whites did dominate the globe for 500 years | ||
| and did subordinate all the people and oppress all the people. | ||
| And now we're sort of volunteers, like Andrew said, taking the back seat and saying, yeah, | ||
| come on in, let it all happen. | ||
| And so to the extent that we have to blame ourselves, we need to have a spiritual revival | ||
| to say white people can be active, too. | ||
| White people are going to be bossed around by women. | ||
| They're not going to be told they're racist by minorities. | ||
| They're not going to be neutered with these guilt trips. | ||
| Yeah, we run shit. | ||
| We went to the moon. | ||
| We built everything. | ||
| We created the world. | ||
| White people are afraid to say that because it might offend the other. | ||
| But the other's not afraid of offending us. | ||
| They don't give a shit. | ||
| And it's gonna be South Africa like Andrew said. | ||
| But it's like, yeah, we're the shit. | ||
| Yeah, we run shit. | ||
| We went to the moon. | ||
| We built everything. | ||
| We created the world. | ||
| White people are afraid to say that because it might offend the other. | ||
| But the other's not afraid of offending us. | ||
| They don't give a shit. | ||
| And it's gonna be South Africa, like Andrew said. | ||
| If it's bad now, if there's grievance and resentment. | ||
| resentment-based politics against whites now, what will it look like when we're in the minority | ||
| and they're running the government, they're running the institutions? | ||
| They're going to kill us. | ||
| They're going to kill us, take our shit. | ||
| They're going to realize they messed up, and they're going to try and bring us back. | ||
| That's what happened in Zimbabwe. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| I think that's exactly what's going to happen. | ||
| It's kind of interesting because if all the white people, if black people say we want | ||
| a black-only town, cool. | ||
| If white people say we want a white-only town, there's a mental breakdown. | ||
| And the reason there's a mental breakdown is because people know that that white-only town will be a place everyone wants to go. | ||
| So they'll say, why are we not allowed in? | ||
| That's the reality of it. | ||
| If you don't believe humans are tribal, then you're a fool. | ||
| That's the reality of how it works. | ||
| And as for talking about blaming others, when you go to battle, you have to identify the traitors amongst you, plus your enemy. | ||
| There are people who are deliberately trying to subvert Western nations. | ||
| And they're trying to do it on purpose. | ||
| And they're trying to thin the culture to the point where the only thing there is to do is chase money, because they have the money. | ||
| This is very interesting. | ||
| I live in Romania, right? | ||
| It's 98% white and it's 98% Romanian. | ||
| Everyone's Romanian here. | ||
| Even when there's, it's a poor country, but it's very safe. | ||
| You can walk the street, you can wear a, I drove a $5 million car, wear a million dollar watch, it's very safe. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Well, if you say to a Romanian, why do you think Romania is safe? | ||
| They say, well, Romanians don't hurt Romanians. | ||
| That's how they think, right? | ||
| I'm not Romanian, but that's just their general attitude. | ||
| And the culture's thick. | ||
| It's unified by lots of things. | ||
| All the people speak the same language. | ||
| They watch the same TV shows. | ||
| They have the same Christmas. | ||
| They eat the same food. | ||
| They have the same upbringing. | ||
| They know each other, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| America has none of that left. | ||
| There's nothing that unifies us, not even a sense of history. | ||
| We have different versions of history, and everyone disagrees on who's good, who's bad. | ||
| Any opinion you have in America, there's a group of people who want you dead for it. | ||
| It's bullshit. | ||
| So the only thing that unifies is, come to America, get rich. | ||
| That's all there is, in all the Western world. | ||
| Come, get rich. | ||
| Which is fine, except people aren't getting rich anymore. | ||
| So this is why it's all fucking falling apart. | ||
| Plus, the people who want that to happen are the people who have all the money. | ||
| So everyone's just chasing what they have, because that puts them more valuable, right? | ||
| If I have all the money, I want everyone to chase my money. | ||
| So we're not even, if you look at a country like America, they're not even trying to make people have a base belief and respect for the country anymore. | ||
| At least in Dubai, which everyone goes to, because you want to talk about immigration, you can talk about Dubai. | ||
| Dubai is 80% immigrants and there's no racism and there's no problems. | ||
| Well, that's because everyone turns up and they behave themselves because they're shit scared. | ||
| Two, they feel lucky to be there. | ||
| Three, yes, they get money. | ||
| But the first two are respect for the law. | ||
| And secondly, they feel lucky to be there. | ||
| Nobody in Dubai talks bad about Dubai. | ||
| Not nobody. | ||
| You can't find one. | ||
| Try. | ||
| Because they respect the place. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| America's now falling into such trouble. | ||
| When I go to America, it just looks like a fucking dump. | ||
| I'm from Romania. | ||
| I live in Romania. | ||
| It looks better than America. | ||
| So like, if America wants to pull off this immigration thing, that's fine, but you need to fix all your infrastructure, you need to have people respecting the place, you need to have people respecting the flag no matter what, or you need to be instantly deported. | ||
| You need to have something that unifies people, at least be unified behind the flag if you're not unified by anything else, if you're not unified by race, religion, culture, whatever. | ||
| You need to have something. | ||
| What has America got? | ||
| We can make money. | ||
| That is it. | ||
| So what's going to happen when the money dries up? | ||
| Well, look at the democratic cities. | ||
| You'll see what happens when the money dries up. | ||
| Everyone's doing drugs because they believe that they're some fucking rock star. | ||
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Why? | |
| We talk about... It's very interesting because we talk about poverty making people do drugs. | ||
| I live in the poorest country in Europe. | ||
| There's no drugs. | ||
| So what America has this... It's Achilles heel. | ||
| It's strength and weakness is the same thing. | ||
| It's this individualism. | ||
| That's why you have so many fantastic entrepreneurs. | ||
| That's why you have so many fantastic athletes. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| But it goes the other way. | ||
| When you tell every single dipshit he's special, Then he deserves a special existence, and if he doesn't get it, he ends up on fucking heroin. | ||
| You don't have these problems in other countries because not everyone's told they're special. | ||
| You think fucking Ching Chang in China's told he's special? | ||
| Work in the factory, sir. | ||
| That's your life. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Done. | ||
| So, like, America has these huge cultural issues. | ||
| And the more tribalized it gets, the worse it is going to be for white people. | ||
| And the reason I'll actually say that is because I think the white people are, they're constrained by their tolerance to the point where they're neutered. | ||
| They have no balls. | ||
| They have no balls left. | ||
| And it's a power vacuum. | ||
| And the power vacuum's gonna be filled. | ||
| That's what's gonna happen. | ||
| White people are least likely to be violent. | ||
| They're the least likely to riot. | ||
| The least likely to complain. | ||
| If they do do something, it's done in such an organized, nice way that nobody gives a shit. | ||
| So it is what it is. | ||
| How do we expect this trend to end besides the decimation of the white race? | ||
| It's pretty obvious for me to see. | ||
| I'm saying as a brown man, this is just obvious to see. | ||
| Plus, the game's not fair. | ||
| And the game's not fair because a lot of this comes down to reproduction. | ||
| And the beautiful thing that built the Western countries that we want to live in, everyone wants to live in a Western country, everybody, is get married, have a family. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| But then you can't out-compete the people who turn up and just breed. | ||
| I'll say it right now as a brown man myself, I got seven fucking baby mothers. | ||
| How you gonna beat me? | ||
| I'm the repopulator. | ||
| You can't! | ||
| Something has to be done, but if you're not even going to discuss it, you're not even going to discuss the issue, then it's fucking over. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| Now, we can have a different conversation about whether the world would be a nicer place when everyone's brown, or whether it's a better place, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But I don't think we can debate that white people are going to go extinct in the next hundred years. | ||
| I think that's pretty obvious for anyone to see. | ||
| Isn't it? | ||
| Yeah, I totally agree. | ||
| That's, you know, I was at Charlottesville, I was at January 6th, all that stuff. | ||
| And it's like, you know, for years they called it a conspiracy theory. | ||
| You call white genocide, white replacement, it's obviously what's going on. | ||
| It's only happening in white countries. | ||
| It's non-white people from Africa, Asia, Latin America, and the global south moving north. | ||
| They come to our countries, they have a higher fertility rate. | ||
| And they, you know, sometimes they call it population refreshment. | ||
| Okay, well that's a semantic difference. | ||
| We're not having kids. | ||
| They want to bring in the immigrants to make up the difference. | ||
| Eventually, they're going to outnumber us. | ||
| In Canada, they like doubled the population with immigrants. | ||
| It's like all Asians there. | ||
| It happened in 20 years. | ||
| It's totally insane. | ||
| And then you have the political effect of then the majority wields the power. | ||
| In a democracy, in a country that isn't colonial or a dictatorship, The more non-whites you have, they're going to exert their own ethnic or political self-interest. | ||
| They're going to run our stuff. | ||
| It's just a natural conclusion. | ||
| And for years they said, well, if you say that fact and it's a math equation, you're a racist, you're a conspiracy theorist, you're a white nationalist. | ||
| And there's like a special, it's like you said, the game is rigged. | ||
| For years, if you talk about it, they censor you. | ||
| On Facebook, they said white separatism, white nationalism. | ||
| If you are those things, you can't be on Facebook and Instagram. | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| That's the means of communication. | ||
| If you want people to know something or think something, you have to be on Instagram and Facebook, or one of the big ones. | ||
| And they are the biggest ones. | ||
| Facebook's like... | ||
| Three billion users, Instagram's over a billion. | ||
| They take you off if you say that. | ||
| And it was like that on Twitter. | ||
| It is like that on YouTube. | ||
| You can't even get the word out. | ||
| And then, of course, we know that if you do try to come together politically in spite of that, like in Germany, they have the AFD, which says we're going to re-migrate all the immigrants. | ||
| Then they just ban them from running. | ||
| They start arresting the leaders, and I know a lot of them. | ||
| You know a lot of them, Andrew. | ||
| You know Thierry Bidet in Netherlands, and there's Tries van Legenhoven in Belgium, and AFD is one of the good ones in Germany. | ||
| When they start to win, they just start arresting them and throw them out. | ||
| And it's like... | ||
| You really do have to come up with like a sophisticated plan, but it starts with the conversation to bring people in and get people thinking our way on this to address the crisis. | ||
| Because like you said, like it, love it, indifferent. | ||
| In a hundred years, it's a math equation. | ||
| There's going to be very few white people globally. | ||
| There's going to be a lot of Africans, a lot of Indians, some Asians, some Hispanics. | ||
| That's going to be your world. | ||
| And it's like, if you like the world that Africa is, You're going to love the world in 2100 because there'll be 4 billion of them. | ||
| And if you like the world that Europe used to be and America was, well, you're going to hate it in the future because there'll be 20% of the population here, 20% of the population in Europe, and it's just not going to be the same. | ||
| And people don't realize that. | ||
| All this DEI, you know, refugee crisis, migrant stuff, this is just going to be life. | ||
| There's no white flight. | ||
| You can't get away from it. | ||
| If you try to create a little polity, it's like, good luck, they're going to drop bombs on it, you know? | ||
| It's like in South Africa. | ||
| South Africa, they have a small community called Arania of ethnic Dutch Boers, the white people that used to rule the country. | ||
| There's like 2,000 people there. | ||
| They're trying to get 10,000, 20,000. | ||
| But it's like, what happens if the black African government just decides to drop bombs on them with fighter jets? | ||
| They're done. | ||
| So it's like, how do you build a state within a state? | ||
| It's a very complex problem and you're not even allowed to talk about it without immense stigma. | ||
| I talk about it, people say, you're Mexican, you're mixed race. | ||
| It's like, you're literally mixed race and you don't need to be white to say, This is factually, indisputably, undeniably what's happening, and this will be the result, so, you know. | ||
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I think this is pretty funny though, because right now you can see the Jew's got three minorities doing the content for him. | |
| But no, I mean, I agree with all of that. | ||
| Just that the major disagreement is just that some of these, a lot of these people are shills. | ||
| They come in and they pretend to care about the white race, and I'm sure you've seen it, and there's been disagreements on Twitter about who's a fed and who's not. | ||
| A lot of these people are hired to go and stir up division within Western countries. | ||
| They don't actually care about the white race. | ||
| They don't care about the countries. | ||
| They're getting paid. | ||
| And I don't think that we should follow these people. | ||
| So when it comes to the idea of white supremacy, we got to be careful about who we follow, because I think a lot of these people are contributing to the division more than they're saying anything right. | ||
| Well, I'm quite Darwinistic. | ||
| My worldview is quite Darwinistic. | ||
| I'll be honest with you. | ||
| When I highlight these things and say these things, it's because it's obvious. | ||
| I mean, it doesn't mean I like it. | ||
| I'm not even emotionally invested in it. | ||
| It's just true. | ||
| I don't actually give a shit that much because I'm brown passing. | ||
| I pass for the other team, so it's fine for me. | ||
| I'm just pointing out because it's obvious as fuck. | ||
| And I'm not going to sit here and be a person who denies reality. | ||
| But I'm quite Darwinistic about these things. | ||
| I'll be honest with you. | ||
| When I saw that little homo you guys were talking to earlier, I look at it and go, yep. | ||
| I mean, I know it's easy for me to say, But if the white man's going to allow this to happen, then I guess it's just the plan. | ||
| I guess that's just how it's all going to work out. | ||
| Some people go extinct. | ||
| You should have got some claws. | ||
| I'm not here to try and... I'll point it out because it's obvious. | ||
| But this is what's happening. | ||
| And then when you talk about how when you highlight these things, you're attacked. | ||
| They'll attack Nick for being Mexican. | ||
| Nick's whole life has been derailed for telling the truth, as has mine. | ||
| You talk about AFD getting arrested. | ||
| Yeah, I know all about it. | ||
| They fucking busted my door down. | ||
| They didn't bust my door down when I had a webcam studio. | ||
| Oh, no, they didn't give a fuck. | ||
| When I talked about the truth online, they bust my door down for my old webcam studio. | ||
| Bro, it's all fucking bullshit. | ||
| So I know all about these things. | ||
| But when you say this, then it's interesting because I say these things online. | ||
| I did a tweet that went mega viral where I said, it's over for white people. | ||
| You're not having babies. | ||
| I did some big tweet. | ||
| The amount of butthurt bullshit. | ||
| All these white people are like, yeah, well, fuck off, nigger. | ||
| You're getting butt hurt. | ||
| I'm like, bro, I'm trying to fucking help you losers. | ||
| Like, what do you want? | ||
| Then just fucking, then just go extinct. | ||
| Then just fuck off. | ||
| Because your women don't give a shit. | ||
| Your women are chasing brown men all day. | ||
| Trust me. | ||
| So like, it's interesting. | ||
| I'm observing it as it's an interesting observation. | ||
| But you'd be a fool and a liar to try and pretend that Western countries as we know them and the things we love about Western countries isn't gonna change when all of the people fucking change. | ||
| You're a dumbass to pretend that's not the case. | ||
| It's gonna be a completely different place. | ||
| Completely different world. | ||
| It's not the geography, it's the people in it. | ||
| I think that's pretty obvious for anyone to see. | ||
| And I also think I've never had a conversation with anyone who's on the other side of this debate, really. | ||
| I've never debated anybody. | ||
| But, I mean, aren't all their positions super hypocritical? | ||
| Because they all live in the West. | ||
| Don't these people all live in the West? | ||
| They never go back to wherever. | ||
| So doesn't everyone just agree with this? | ||
| Isn't this just calling water wet? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe there's a counter-argument I haven't heard, but to me it's pretty fucking clear. | ||
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Yeah, where I agree with Nick and why I like the America First movement so much is how much he incorporates the idea of God, which I see lacking from a lot of white supremacists. | |
| And since I started getting into the space, I'm sure you've seen it, Nick. | ||
| The Gorkas have gone back and forth with the Wignats. | ||
| I'm sure you've seen that, Tate. | ||
| These people, they get on there and they just yell slurs, and I don't think they help at all. | ||
| I think that they make the movement look kind of stupid, and they make people discredit what should happen and how we need to bring back some sort of traditional values in the West. | ||
| But America First, next movement, and all... I mean, even then, of course, what Tate has been talking about for two years, you've done a good job of making people realize what we're supposed to do, and bringing the idea of God back. | ||
| And so I'd like to see that more, and I want to see that more from a lot of these white supremacists. | ||
| They don't speak about that as much. | ||
| It seems like a lot of them would rather worship their skin color rather than worship God. | ||
| Well, I think religion's the only thing that can mediate the differences in race, because Andrew's right that it is Darwinistic, and people are tribalistic, and in a vacuum, I think without a kind of universal religion, everyone's just gonna kill each other. | ||
| It's gonna be a race war. | ||
| And that's what history really is. | ||
| I mean, even with religion, history is a race war. | ||
| And you could say that religion kind of overlaps with that, but You know, like when the Americans, when the English first came to the American continent, it was an all-out race war with the Indians, and it was for hundreds of years. | ||
| And same thing in Africa, and same thing with the Muslims and the Europeans. | ||
| All of history is basically just one big race war. | ||
| And I think, you know, obviously the reason that people are apprehensive about white pride and white nationalism and white separatism It's because of Hitler. | ||
| It's because of Hitler, slavery, colonialism. | ||
| And they know that when white people are left to their own devices and when they're proud, there will be an enormous disparity in power. | ||
| In the same way that there are persistent disparities between the races in America today. | ||
| They know that white society will be richer, more technologically advanced, because whites are more martial, more innovative. | ||
| And they fear what white people do with the power because for centuries they oppressed people. | ||
| And this is why, you know, liberalism really proceeded from that period. | ||
| Liberalism, Christianity kind of went hand in hand and they developed this idea that, well, you know, we're going to free the slaves and treat everyone as equals and so on. | ||
| And it's almost like we went too far in that direction. | ||
| And now people that are illiberal and people that are not, they don't love their neighbor. | ||
| They don't see whites. | ||
| They hate whites. | ||
| A lot of them hate whites and blame whites for slavery and colonialism. | ||
| We're letting them in our communities where they want to do us harm and they're actually indifferent to our problems and who we are and our identity and we're going to be erased. | ||
| So people say, well, you know, yes, we don't want whites to go away, but also if we empower whites, isn't that going to imperil all the other races just like it did in the past? | ||
| And it's true. | ||
| I mean, Hitler was a pagan in many ways. | ||
| And, you know, some of his people were into the occult and esoteric stuff and they were into eugenics. | ||
| I think people, you know, non-white people rightly don't want to be killed or lost in the gene pool. | ||
| I think what mediates that is Christianity, which says that, you know, God created the races, created the nations, but doesn't want us to be integrating so much that we disappear, but also doesn't want us killing each other. | ||
| And I think you could have harmony in a community of nations if you believe in God and you see everybody's an equal. | ||
| But there is a tension, which people point out, that at once we're universal and we say we're all children of God. | ||
| At the same time, we're like, yeah, the black people could be children of God over there. | ||
| You could go be a children of God over in Haiti and stay there. | ||
| And, you know, but there's a logic to that. | ||
| Because as long as there are Haitians and Africans and Indians and Chinese and all these people in America, there'll be no more white Americans. | ||
| And Europeans are the ones that evangelized the world. | ||
| They systematized Catholicism and Christianity. | ||
| They created liberalism and tolerance and ended slavery and all these things. | ||
| And so it's a question, is it good for anybody in the whole world if all that goes away? | ||
| You still have slavery in Africa. | ||
| And you still have tribalism in Central America. | ||
| Like, drug cartels, they're just like modern Indians. | ||
| They're modern Indians. | ||
| You know, they're cutting people's heads off, scalping people. | ||
| So, you know, it's a difficult conversation, but people need to get there, and I think they need to be guided by the principles of no cruelty. | ||
| We don't want cruelty. | ||
| We want mercy, compassion, and love. | ||
| At the same time, you know, we have to take care of our own first. | ||
| And your own is your family, and your kin are your extended family. | ||
| And it's true. | ||
| What Andrew said is so true. | ||
| If you don't call yourself white supremacist or something like that, it's almost like you don't love your own people. | ||
| If you're going out there and you have a liberal attitude about race, it's like, do you really love yourself? | ||
| Do you love your parents? | ||
| Do you have dreams of progeny that look like you and your grandparents? | ||
| If you don't, I think that's deeply fucked up. | ||
| And only white people think that way. | ||
| So it's a bit of a problem, but Christianity can moderate the excesses. | ||
| Yeah, they've subjugated the white man via their female primarily. | ||
| That's what they've done. | ||
| They've gone to the female's head, and their female now runs the house. | ||
| And that's how the white man's been subjugated, because white women don't listen to white men anymore. | ||
| White women listen to black men, and black women have to, to a degree, listen to a black man, or he won't come home at all. | ||
| But white women get to sit in a house that's paid for and ignore her man all day. | ||
| And that's why the whole fucking race is fucked. | ||
| And we talk about how the white people were bad with their power. | ||
| Well, who was better with power? | ||
| That's what power does. | ||
| Power is not going to only ever do nice things forever. | ||
| That's some altruistic garbage. | ||
| When you have power, sometimes you do good things, sometimes you do bad things. | ||
| And white people have done a whole bunch of good things. | ||
| There's a guy online who was saying something, I can't remember his last name, but he was saying something about how the American empire is so evil. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I'm one of the biggest critics of the West and how bad America is and how hypocritical they are and how they break international law, etc. | ||
| But I'm also pretty smart enough to know that once America loses hegemony and Russia or China is in charge, do we really think the world is going to be fairer? | ||
| Is it going to be nicer? | ||
| Are they going to run it better? | ||
| It's gonna be the same shit, just different people getting bombed. | ||
| This is what power does. | ||
| So they hate white people because they were powerful and they fear that the white people can become powerful again because they believe that white people are inherently evil. | ||
| But if you give any race that degree of power, in fact, I would argue that white people are probably the most merciful. | ||
| If you look at the power disparity between a white nation and some of the nations they've gone to war with, they've been very nice because they could have really, they could have genocided. | ||
| White people could have truly genocided. | ||
| Yeah, they had some concentration camps, they did some shit. | ||
| It was the 1800s, bro. | ||
| I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that that offends me, because it was the 18-fucking-hundreds. | ||
| Right? | ||
| But if you actually look at the power disparity, they were pretty fair with that power. | ||
| And like I said, Talk about jail. | ||
| If you gave a gang that much power over another gang in a jail, you'll see quickly how power is used. | ||
| That's just how the world works. | ||
| But yeah, a white man has been subjugated by their female. | ||
| Their women don't listen to men anymore. | ||
| Their women think for themselves, but women don't think for themselves. | ||
| I'm a misogynist. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| Lock me up. | ||
| Women don't think for themselves. | ||
| They either obey their man or they obey the TV. | ||
| That's it! | ||
| They are empty vessels waiting to be programmed. | ||
| So because they don't obey their man, they obey the TV. | ||
| That's why women have points of view that they can't even fucking explain. | ||
| Talk to the average Western female and ask her to explain why she thinks what she thinks. | ||
| She can't. | ||
| She can repeat what the TV told her, but she can't tell you why she thinks it. | ||
| She can't give you any personal experience that led her there. | ||
| She'll just get offended and shocked and start going, you didn't, are you serious? | ||
| Yeah, I'm fucking serious, bitch. | ||
| Explain yourself. | ||
| Do it. They can't because they're fucking idiots. So this is why, this is the thing we don't talk | ||
| about. The reason the white race is losing is all women's fault because in other races, | ||
| they have children, which is their job, and they obey their man. I'm a misogynist. | ||
| Come on, BBC. | ||
| Print it. | ||
| Lock me up. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| This is the bottom line of it. | ||
| Whereas white women are like, I don't want a kid until we have four houses and three cars. | ||
| I want Instagram likes. | ||
| I want a Birkin bag. | ||
| They're chasing Instagram likes instead of chasing children. | ||
| And that's the bottom line for the old decimation of the white race. | ||
| Then you got little dipshits like the dickhead who was just on the show, whoever the fuck he is. | ||
| Come in here and sit and realize, he doesn't realize, but what's happened is he goes, fuck, the white race is fucked. | ||
| These big black guys can kick my ass. | ||
| Maybe if I suck them off, they won't kill me. | ||
| But you're just going to end up dead a little bit later. | ||
| The crocodile might eat you last. | ||
| You still get eaten, pussy. | ||
| Do your fucking, do some balls. | ||
| Fight, die on your way out. | ||
| Fight like a fucking man. | ||
| And this is just me as a man talking. | ||
| I'm not pro white. | ||
| I'm not white. | ||
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This is just obvious as fuck. | |
| You're right. | ||
| I mean, if you look at the power that Taylor Swift has, and she's the best example of a white woman leading white people in the West, a lot of the problems could be attributed back to them. | ||
| But if you go a step further, the problems of liberalism, like we saw with the debater here, feminism, and these ideas, it came from this Enlightenment idea that started, that founded America. | ||
| Because these people weren't Christian. | ||
| The people that founded America, a lot of them were Freemasons. | ||
| They followed French philosophy of Enlightenment. | ||
| And I think that the root of that came from this idea that whites had a higher IQ, which if you look at the stats, they do. | ||
| Asians have the highest and whites have the highest IQ in America. | ||
| And that's where this Enlightenment idea comes from. | ||
| That's how you get liberalism. | ||
| That's how you get feminism. | ||
| The guy that was just on, yes, he's wrong about everything, but he probably has a high IQ. | ||
| So if you put that first, if you favor your skin color in front of God, that's how your woman ends up ruling you in the household. | ||
| That's how feminism spreads like a disease. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| I think it's a tale as old as time because you've seen societies in the past, they're ruled by women. | ||
| It's something like, you know, when you have a government in like the early stages, it's very martial. | ||
| It's like the warriors are the government, like Israel. | ||
| When Israel was founded, it's people that were literally in wars, people that were literally there driving the tanks and, you know, doing the massacres that became the prime minister, that became the president. | ||
| And so, there's like a certain class of people that are running society and it's a certain mindset. | ||
| It's like a survival mindset. | ||
| It's like if you got left in the woods, you would learn about the laws of the jungle and you'd be a changed person. | ||
| You'd be a certain kind of person. | ||
| We live in a very decadent technological society where if somebody breaks into your home, you call the police. | ||
| You know, if you're like a bitch, you call the cops and cops with guns come and show up and they remedy the problem. | ||
| People, they go into school, they go to college, they have this prolonged adolescence, then they go and work at a desk job. | ||
| Nobody knows about violence. | ||
| Nobody knows about struggle. | ||
| Nobody knows about survival. | ||
| And I'm no different. | ||
| I'm a product of it as well. | ||
| I was born in 98. | ||
| It's the same story. | ||
| And so with all the prosperity and indulgence, I think it gives itself to These kinds of ideas like women should have the same rights as us and we got to promote niceness and tolerance over common sense, strength, wisdom, those kinds of things. | ||
| I think it's a tale often told. | ||
| And because Western society is so decadent and so rich and so sophisticated, in many ways it's defeated us. | ||
| We become weak and then we're prone to women. | ||
| Because women are really the masters of intrigue. | ||
| In a world where there's these giant corporations and giant, massive organizations which are highly centralized, who are the gatekeepers? | ||
| It's HR. | ||
| It's the women. | ||
| And, you know, there's some ideological stuff in there too. | ||
| You know, this individualism that says that, you know, we're all people and everyone should vote and work, and then necessarily then that extends to women as well. | ||
| So there's something ideological too. | ||
| But, I mean, all of that aside, we could diagnose how it happened. | ||
| It's a symptom of modernity, but women are fucking it up. | ||
| And the problem is, the number of white men that are actually based, it's like zero. | ||
| Because they may know all this stuff about race and understand white genocide, but then they'll totally simp for their girlfriend. | ||
| They'll totally simp. | ||
| They're going to say things like, you can't criticize women. | ||
| Women are part of the movement, too. | ||
| You can't say women are dumb! | ||
| We're about white women! | ||
| That's why I always supported you, because first things first, you need to tell women to shut the fuck up. | ||
| If you can't tell them to shut up forcefully and listen. | ||
| And it's also a big problem with Christians. | ||
| That's why Muslims have an advantage. | ||
| They put women in like a burqa. | ||
| They put a woman in a cob. | ||
| They say, shut the fuck up. | ||
| Here's an Etch-A-Sketch. | ||
| Go over there. | ||
| Write out your answers with the Etch-A-Sketch and I'll read them to the camera. | ||
| I don't know if you saw that. | ||
| And people are like, this is horrible. | ||
| It's like, it's preferable. | ||
| And maybe it's too far, but it's preferable to what we have now. | ||
| That's what makes Islam attractive because it's so conservative and traditional. | ||
| And here it's the opposite. | ||
| The women are fat. | ||
| They're obnoxious. | ||
| They swear. | ||
| They're rude. | ||
| They bring nothing to the table. | ||
| They don't want to put out. | ||
| And men tolerate it because men, it's a big symptom too. | ||
| Men weren't hugged enough by their mothers. | ||
| Now they all want a girlfriend, not even to fuck them. | ||
| Because, like, people say, oh, they say about me, oh, you're Catholic, you're very, like, chaste and everything. | ||
| It's like, what separates me from other guys is so many guys I know, it's not even about taking down chicks and having sex with them out of lust, which is immoral, but at least it represents a will. | ||
| They want to talk to them over text. | ||
| They want to cuddle. | ||
| They want to watch Disney movies. | ||
| They want to Snapchat them and just spend all day fucking talking. | ||
| And that's what it is for them. | ||
| And that's like... | ||
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Andrew, real quick, real quick, the guy you were just reacting to, his name is Dean, you know, the guy that... I'm not interested. | |
| You know, but... I'm not interested, he's a little bit... But it's interesting because you talk about just talking to them, you're right. | ||
| And I can talk about my webcam studio. | ||
| I didn't have a single fucking black guy calling us and spending his life savings talking to a bitch. | ||
| Not one. | ||
| Just white dudes, bro. | ||
| Just endless white dudes complaining about their wives. | ||
| They didn't even want sex from the girls. | ||
| It was like a therapy session. | ||
| And they'd spend $100,000 a month just talking to some girl on the other side of the planet saying their wife doesn't love them. | ||
| It's fucking, it's ridiculous. | ||
| And it's a white phenomenon. | ||
| That's what's going on. | ||
| And we talk about, yeah, the world's become so easy now that women can go around with their delusions. | ||
| You see, it's not hard to see female delusion all around you. | ||
| You hear them say, oh, we don't need men. | ||
| What? | ||
| On what level of stupid do you even have to be operating on, saying you don't need men? | ||
| Not only is the whole world built by men, if men disappeared, you'd be done in a day. | ||
| Patriarchy has protected women from men. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And it's protected them from themselves. | ||
| It's interesting you said about how a lot of the white people are not based because they're scared of their girlfriends, etc. | ||
| Yeah, it takes a certain caliber of man to be able to say to a chick, shut up, you don't know anything, I'll do it. | ||
| Leave it to me. | ||
| And most of these, a lot of these dudes can't do that. | ||
| So they'll sit there and they'll sit for their chick and then they're not fixing anything because she doesn't know any better. | ||
| I'm in a, I guess you could say fortunate situation. | ||
| I say to the women around me, look, I love you. | ||
| I care about you. | ||
| The reason I take such good care of you is because I'm a fucking misogynist. | ||
| I'm such a terrible misogynist that I don't trust you to drive your own car, go anywhere without a security team, pay your own bills. | ||
| I don't trust you to do anything because you're fucking useless. | ||
| I'll do it. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| I'll do everything for you. | ||
| I'm a nice man, but that makes me misogynistic. | ||
| But when they come along with their opinion, I'm like, you're not allowed an opinion. | ||
| You don't make the money. | ||
| You don't fix anything, you don't solve anything, and you don't know anything. | ||
| So keep your opinion, and please just do as I say, and let's have children. | ||
| But most men can't pull that move off anymore. | ||
| They used to be able to, but in the West they can't anymore. | ||
| And that is the absolute advantage that the Islamic world has over the Christian world. | ||
| Because there's a Muslim family, there's a Muslim man with a Muslim woman who will go to England, will move in, on benefits, free money from the government, and have nine kids. | ||
| Free money for the government. | ||
| I have nine children. | ||
| And a white woman will sit there and go, I don't want kids because we can't afford it. | ||
| I want this. | ||
| I want that. | ||
| Well, then it's just TikTok to the bottom. | ||
| That's how it's going to end. | ||
| So I don't think it's a debate as to whether it's going to happen. | ||
| It's certainly going to happen. | ||
| It's just, and I don't think there's a debate, any sensible person. | ||
| I don't think they have a debate as to how the world will be different. | ||
| Then the last debate is, will the world be better? | ||
| I don't know if the world would be better. | ||
| Then why is everyone flocking to countries built by white people? | ||
| I live with black guys and white guys, and we're the most racist house in the world, because it's funny. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| And us black guys just make fun of the white guy every morning. | ||
| We're like, thanks for the society you built. | ||
| We just make fun of him. | ||
| And he has no reply, because it's true. | ||
| Like, you gave us society. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| Great. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| Cheers. | ||
| I really would like, although I refuse to talk that mincey little faggot, I'd be very interested to hear what can even be the counter to any of these pretty obvious observations. | ||
| Yeah, there is no counter. | ||
| It's math. | ||
| You know, they're coming in here and, uh, you know, he was saying some stuff about women. | ||
| We were debating about feminism and he said, he said, Oh yeah, you know, we, we got to look out for women and girls and women are smarter and all this kind of stuff. | ||
| And my favorite, I said, well, look, women can't lead because women aren't soldiers. | ||
| And being a soldier is kind of like the essence of being a King and those kinds of things. | ||
| Like you defend the country, then you have responsibility, then you have the privilege of power. | ||
| And it's like, My favorite is lately you're seeing all these non-white people are coming over here, like in New York. | ||
| And you'll see these TikToks where women are like, you know, follow me on my day in my life in New York. | ||
| And they're going and they're going to Orange Fitness and they're getting their smoothie. | ||
| And lately you hear stories about them just getting randomly attacked by homeless people. | ||
| And there's something so, you know, you hate to see it, but it's also delicious to see women who, you know, they think they have all this power. | ||
| They tell men, you ain't shit. | ||
| F you. | ||
| You got a small dig. | ||
| Oh, you're an incel. | ||
| You follow Andrew Tate? | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| And they walk around proud because they know white men are never going to raise a hand to them. | ||
| white men are never gonna put them in their place, yell at them. | ||
| As they walk around down the city, homeless person just out of nowhere, boom, | ||
| and then they just like crumple. | ||
| The way they fall to the ground, it's graceless. | ||
| You know, like men kind of catch themselves, just like a latticism, they just go down. | ||
| And it's like, but they don't even, even then they don't see the problem. | ||
| It's like, you know, that wouldn't happen if you feared men. | ||
| But that's the natural dynamic is that women are constantly in reverence, | ||
| but necessarily also in fear of men because men are more powerful. | ||
| And when they lose that, then you get these ridiculous notions where it's like, we're going to bring in a billion immigrants, and we're going to give them a bunch of stuff, and they're just going to become liberal and they're as American as apple pie. | ||
| It's like you said, they're taking advantage. | ||
| They're coming here. | ||
| They're making more of themselves. | ||
| They fucking hate us. | ||
| And women are thinking, oh, you know, we're going to make a welcome basket and we're going to do this. | ||
| And then they go and rape everybody. | ||
| They go and rape and kill everybody. | ||
| And, you know, but that's the kind of foolishness when you're led by women. | ||
| But it starts with the individual. | ||
| A guy's got to be able to tell a woman to shut up, and I think a lot of men won't do that because they're either afraid of scarcity, they can't walk away from the table with the girlfriend, they're too infatuated and no longer practical, you know, people are too romantic, they fall in love, it's not about making babies, and on some level they view the woman as the mom, you know, the woman is this kind of, the dynamic is flipped. | ||
| Guys don't want to be like their dads. | ||
| They want to be like their mother's sons, but with their wife. | ||
| And it's a very sick dynamic. | ||
| It's this mommy thing going on and needs to fucking stop. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| Women have so little power that they rely on fictional men to give them power. | ||
| If there's a woman who's getting harassed by a man, she'll say, oh, I've got a boyfriend. | ||
| An imaginary man far away is more of a deterrent. | ||
| than her in the flesh. | ||
| She'll call her dad on a phone. | ||
| The guy on the phone on the other side of the country is more of a deterrent than her by herself. | ||
| That's how little power women actually have. | ||
| And any power they wield is enforced by men. | ||
| These women who run all their mouths, if you touch them, they call a bunch of men to come and arrest you. | ||
| It's all masculine. | ||
| But the white people have just handed all their power over to women. | ||
| And when I say women as well, I want to make something clear. | ||
| I'm not just talking because we don't want to judge. | ||
| We don't want to assume people's genders, right? | ||
| We're all intents and purposes. | ||
| That little loser who's just on the show is a chick. | ||
| To me, that's a girl. | ||
| You're a girl. | ||
| I'm a man. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Name one masculine thing about you. | ||
| You're crying and begging for your race to be destroyed. | ||
| You're begging to get fucked in the ass. | ||
| Like, what, what, name a single masculine, you're a, you're a chick. | ||
| You're a girl. | ||
| Talking to him is like talking to a girl. | ||
| He even looks like a fucking girl. | ||
| I also mean a whole bunch of males, especially these white males, all these liberals. | ||
| You're all girls. | ||
| The current election is girls versus boys. | ||
| That's the current election. | ||
| Men versus women. | ||
| That's the election. | ||
| Dudes for Kamala. | ||
| Get an AIDS test. | ||
| You're a faggot. | ||
| You're basically a chick. | ||
| You're all trans. | ||
| All of you. | ||
| That's the current conversation. | ||
| You have the masculine against the feminine. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| In the West, we're now run by the feminine. | ||
| It's a matriarchy head to toe. | ||
| It's a complete feminine mindset. | ||
| And we're going to see, but I have a suspicion, that matriarchal societies cannot out-compete patriarchal societies, which is why all of history was patriarchal. | ||
| Because the matriarchal ones lost. | ||
| And now we have a matriarchal society, the West, which is going to be competing against the patriarchal societies. | ||
| And this is what's going to happen. | ||
| This is why Islam is going to conquer the world. | ||
| This is why white people are gonna go extinct. | ||
| This is all just obvious. | ||
| And there's little dipshits, like that girl, who want to sit here and, I don't know, I guess their cope is that it's okay and it's a good thing. | ||
| Because I don't think they can deny it, so I guess their cope is, but that's good! | ||
| Because maybe they assume... I kind of feel like saying to him, brother, I'm brown enough to know how we look at little white boys like you. | ||
| You don't want us in charge. | ||
| You don't want us in charge. | ||
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You're not gonna last and you're not gonna like it. | |
| You don't want us in charge. | ||
| I'm telling you from the other side. | ||
| I could say that to him and his reply to me would be, no, I know how brown people think more than you and they love me. | ||
| But we don't want to fuck you. | ||
| We don't want to fuck you. | ||
| So you don't, you're just in our way to build us something or fuck off. | ||
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The future's sure. | |
| Yeah, there's no example of a matriarchal society working. | ||
| That's why the birth rate, even though a place like Japan is... Bless. | ||
| At least a place like Japan is very beautiful and it's good to go. | ||
| The reason that the birth rate is declining is because the guys are addicted to porn and because a lot of them live by feminist ideals. | ||
| And you see this dichotomy now in America, where there's a funny video of a Kamala Harris rally, and the guy's pretending to be gay, interviewing the girls, and he's asking the girls about who she's attracted to, and she has to silently admit that she's attracted to the evil Republican guys. | ||
| She's been told that conservative men are so evil for so long, but she's not attracted to any of the liberal people. | ||
| She'll agree with the liberal person. | ||
| She'll agree with the one who wants to get their race evaporated, but at the same time, she's still always going to be naturally attracted to traditionally conservative values. | ||
| Yeah, I think the, um, it's kind of interesting because I don't want to be a doomer either, but then I'm kind of sitting here thinking, maybe I'm just, maybe I'm begging to be entertained. | ||
| You know, I've done it all. | ||
| Private Jets, Bugattis, Jail, Cockroach. | ||
| I've done it. | ||
| I'm kind of like, as this spirals on, I'm kind of enjoying the show. | ||
| You know, that's what I feel like. | ||
| I'm a Trump fan because I'm a man. | ||
| You have to support Trump because you're a fucking man. | ||
| If you don't support Trump, you're gay. | ||
| But it's kind of like, someone said to me the other day, what would you do if Kamala won? | ||
| I was like, laugh? | ||
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Oops. | |
| Let's see what she does when her own fans want her to stop Israel from blowing Gaza to fuck. | ||
| Let's enjoy the show! | ||
| Like, I don't know. | ||
| Maybe I'm just at the point now where it's just like, I just want to watch it all burn. | ||
| Not because I'm a bad person, but because it's kind of funny, I guess. | ||
| But yeah, when I hear these liberal dipshits, I just think, okay, so he's the person who's destroying everything, people like him. | ||
| He's going to end up subjugated and enslaved. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| So ha ha ha. | ||
| I guess I'm kind of reaching that stage now. | ||
| I would love, because I think it'd be actually fantastic for the culture. | ||
| I'd love for Trump to win because the reason they hate Trump, the reason they actually hate Trump is because he's a man. | ||
| That's it! | ||
| And when I say a man, I mean an actual man. | ||
| They don't give a shit about anything they pretend they give a shit about. | ||
| It's literally just because he's a man. | ||
| They like the men that are women. | ||
| They go, no, we don't hate men. | ||
| We like this man. | ||
| That dude's a fucking homo. | ||
| That dude's a chick. | ||
| There's nothing masculine about him at all. | ||
| But if you're remotely male, they can't fucking stand you. | ||
| I know that from personal experience. | ||
| There's no way, there is no way I would have gone world viral to the point where they had to lock me up for saying women couldn't drive. | ||
| Unless I was big and strong and rich and tall and charismatic. | ||
| If I was a little fucking loser and said it, they wouldn't have cared. | ||
| They just hate me because I'm a dude. | ||
| I'm a man. | ||
| And all the youth were like, I want to be a man like Andrew. | ||
| And they're like, oh shit. | ||
| They're growing balls. | ||
| Stop them quickly. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| They hate Trump because he's a man. | ||
| It doesn't matter what he says. | ||
| In fact, everything he's been saying recently isn't even remotely controversial or right wing. | ||
| So why the fuck do they still hate this guy? | ||
| Because he's a man. | ||
| They hate men because men are the defenders. | ||
| Men are the warriors. | ||
| Men are the ones who are in the way. | ||
| And they want to get rid of men because men are the ones who are always going to stand up and try and prevent the slavery. | ||
| Men are the ones who are going to resist enslavement. | ||
| And they want to make slaves of us all. | ||
| They have to get rid of all the men. | ||
| It's very simple. | ||
| Women are easy to fucking scare. | ||
| That's why they want women. | ||
| And when I say women, I mean females plus that dude like we did. | ||
| Women. | ||
| They're easy to scare. | ||
| They're cowards. | ||
| You just come along, say, put on the mask. | ||
| They shit their pants. | ||
| They do whatever the fuck they're told. | ||
| You have to be ready to die for something to resist enslavement. | ||
| And women never are. | ||
| They're not ready to die for fucking anything. | ||
| They're ready to just listen. | ||
| And that's the problem, right? | ||
| So we have this huge, in the West, the problem we have now is you have all the females and liberals, and there's two competing power structures. | ||
| There's the media matrix machine. | ||
| There's the last few men. | ||
| And the last few men are under endless attack by lawfare. | ||
| I don't want to put myself, I can say me, I could say Trump. | ||
| I don't, I'm not trying to brag. | ||
| I'm saying if you, if you project a masculine enough image, they will do anything to fucking lock you up. | ||
| Because they want all of the females obeying the Matrix. | ||
| And the Matrix is saying, just comply. | ||
| It'll be okay. | ||
| Just comply. | ||
| And that's the bottom line of what's happening here. | ||
| And they hate the white man, especially, because the white man's very organized. | ||
| Extremely organized. | ||
| They're a very organized type of people, white people. | ||
| They get shit done. | ||
| They're very organized. | ||
| And also, it's kind of amazing to me, it's interesting, because I just look at things, right? | ||
| And I think, isn't court—obviously this is topical to me—but isn't court amazing? | ||
| I think about two white guys will crash a car. | ||
| They'll say, see you in court, buddy! | ||
| I'm suing you, buster! | ||
| And they'll go to court, and they'll stand there to some judge who wasn't even there. | ||
| And they'll say, I've got this. | ||
| And they'll spend nine months of time, energy, money, effort. | ||
| I've got this photo. | ||
| Here's the CCTV. | ||
| It was their fault. | ||
| And someone will lose and just take the L. I lost in court. | ||
| Darn it. | ||
| Lost a million dollars. | ||
| Lost in court. | ||
| Darn it. | ||
| Did you just say that there's no other reason to hate not vote for Donald Trump apart from | ||
| the fact that he's a man? | ||
| Like maybe I don't support Donald Trump because he's a rapist. | ||
| Maybe I don't. | ||
| Who put this on? | ||
| Was it Aiden? | ||
| It was Nick Fuentes. | ||
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I'm sitting right here. | |
| I don't support him, man. | ||
| Maybe I don't support Donald Trump because he's a sexualized little girl. | ||
| I'm trying to make a point. | ||
| If you want to do a debate with the nerd, you can do it. | ||
| You guys can enjoy it. | ||
| But I'd rather lose the nerd and just talk knowing I'm right. | ||
| It's better. | ||
| So are we going to keep him here or not? | ||
| So you're a fan of Echo Chamber? | ||
| There's no chicks allowed at this table. | ||
| So you're a fan of Echo Chamber? | ||
| It's the He-Man Club. | ||
| Okay, so I have a penis with XY chromosomes, so a man is something other than a penis with XY chromosomes? | ||
|
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What do you want to do? | |
| Thanks. | ||
| See ya, loser! | ||
| Anyway... Loser. | ||
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to be a rather time. | |
| Thanks. | ||
| See you loser. | ||
| Anyway, loser. | ||
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I lost my point now, but I was right. | |
| So it's fine. | ||
| Oh yeah, court. | ||
| Court. | ||
| Isn't court amazing? | ||
| Like, do you think that shit happens in a lot of the world? | ||
| Imagine you crash your car in Rwanda. | ||
| You think they're gonna go, alright, see you in court, buddy. | ||
| Nine months, legal evidence, and someone's just gonna take that. | ||
| No, who has a machete in the car? | ||
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Because that's, that's the guy who was right. | |
| That's how most of the world actually works. | ||
| The white man is actually very intriguing to me. | ||
| I watch it with intrigue when I see them go, ah, I lost in court. | ||
| Oh, well. | ||
| That's actually quite remarkable. | ||
| And it's a beautiful thing. | ||
| It's built a beautiful society. | ||
| I don't think white people realize how rare that is. | ||
| How rare that is. | ||
| That is so rare amongst most races. | ||
| Go to anywhere in Latin America, go to most of these countries, they'd be like, what the fuck? | ||
| I ain't taking that. | ||
| No. | ||
| And then what's the answer to things? | ||
| Well, the answer is violence. | ||
| White people have lost their propensity to violence because everything in the world is violence. | ||
| You're just putting layers of garbage on top to try and prevent the violence, which is fine because that keeps society functioning, but it is the bottom line of all things. | ||
| So if you're going to have people who don't see the layers and they're not interested in, and they just want to go straight to the quick solution, then you're not competitive anymore. | ||
| How can you compete against people who skip all the garbage and go straight to violence? | ||
| You can't. | ||
| So this is perhaps an argument for desegregation of societies. | ||
| It's not being racist. | ||
| It's not being a bad person. | ||
| It's just saying, we operate one way. | ||
| We play chess. | ||
| They play checkers. | ||
| They play go. | ||
| They play fucking Scrabble. | ||
| So let's all play our game. | ||
| Because if you allow chess pieces on the go board, it's all fucked. | ||
| And this is what we have now with huge backlogs in the legal system and fucking everything's a mess. | ||
| Yeah, because the system wasn't meant to deal with this influx of shit. | ||
| How can, like with the asylum problem and the open border, if your solution is we're going to arrest them, put them in jail and asylum claims, take them to court, it's over. | ||
| That takes forever. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| That's not going to work. | ||
| It's never going to fix anything. | ||
| You could do a Poland, build a wall and put guys with guns on the wall. | ||
| But if you're going to let them in in any regard, like England does, because I talk about England, I don't know about America, but in England they turn up on the boats and then we say, okay, we're going to process your asylum claim. | ||
| That's game over. | ||
| Game over. | ||
| Because the people who are coming in on the boat don't give a fuck whether you say yes or no, because they don't believe in court. | ||
| So what's the point? | ||
| I mean, this is so obvious to me to see. | ||
| I don't know how people find this in some way mind-breaking or controversial to say. | ||
| And you can be neutered by your morality. | ||
| The problem with the white man is they're not savage enough. | ||
| They're not savage enough when it comes to having children. | ||
| They're not savage enough when it comes to reproducing. | ||
| They're not savage enough protecting their lands, because that was the bottom line of all humanity, protect your lands, protect your women. | ||
| They're not doing that. | ||
| Little cucks like that girl think that debating on the internet is going to somehow fix the world. | ||
| Bro, shut the fuck up. | ||
| Piss off. | ||
| Because nothing you say matters because your race is going to be extinct soon because of little losers like you. | ||
| So no one gives a shit what you think. | ||
| You're a dipshit. | ||
| If you think owning the conservatives is somehow going to make the liberals not see you as a little cracker, you're wrong. | ||
| Walk through Compton and talk about how you own the Trump supporters. | ||
| Go on! | ||
| Go on, bro. | ||
| Go teach them a lesson. | ||
| Go say, no, did you see me on the podcast? | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| You're a loser. | ||
| So like, the world's collapsing. | ||
| The white man's world's collapsing. | ||
| It's all women's fault. | ||
| This will probably land me in jail. | ||
| And I'm just watching the show. | ||
| I don't know how any of this is even controversial anymore. | ||
| It's pretty fucking obvious. | ||
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Jake, what's going on, man? | |
| Good, good. | ||
| Hey Jake, do you remember Andrew? | ||
| Andrew, remember Jake? | ||
| Hey Jake, this is Nick Fuentes. | ||
| Nick, this is Jake. | ||
| Hey Jake, what's up? | ||
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Hey, it's Fuentes. | |
| Jake, who did you think won the debate? | ||
| Dean or Nick Fuentes? | ||
| Fuentes. | ||
| Fuentes won, yeah. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| Yeah, facts. | ||
| Jake, how big is your dick? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, you guys know that I was too cool to come out. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I thought I could get Tate and Nick to smile at that one. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| You know, life will prove that Nick won. | ||
| Like, you can only deny reality for so long. | ||
| I don't know how long the people are going to try and just hard cope and endlessly deny reality until it... I guess the problem is cowardice, right? | ||
| If you deny the easiest way to fix a problem is pretend it doesn't exist. | ||
| That's how you fix a problem. | ||
| We have a problem. | ||
| No, we don't. | ||
| Solved, right? | ||
| Why are you talking? | ||
| Why are you risking being called racist? | ||
| Why are you talking about all these complicated socioeconomic issues? | ||
| Why? | ||
| You can just pretend there's no problem. | ||
| That's what people do. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, everything's going to get worse. | ||
| It already is. | ||
| Everything already sucks. | ||
| America's a dump. | ||
| Every city is a shithole and a dump and doesn't work. | ||
| Everything's getting worse everywhere. | ||
| Service is getting worse. | ||
| Everything's dirtier. | ||
| Everything's more chaotic. | ||
| They're canceling flights. | ||
| There's like shortages of stuff. | ||
| People are rude. | ||
| And, you know, it's like it is a level of white autism. | ||
| You know, like the new villain now in every TV show and movie is like a white autist on 4chan. | ||
| You know, like the Batman movies about that. | ||
| All the movies are about that. | ||
| It's like a Ted Kaczynski. | ||
| Because you're right, white people are methodical, white people are into math, they're hobbyists and things like that. | ||
| And the prospect that those people are out there, it speaks to the idea of how they want to create a slave class. | ||
| You can have a government that's totally corrupt and selling out and decadent and so on, but also have white autists out there that are upset about the ecology being destroyed. | ||
| Because then they make a bunch of mail bombs and start killing everybody and release a manifesto. | ||
| You know, or then they go on 4chan and get Trump elected with memes or whatever. | ||
| And it really is like an anti-white male thing because they recognize that white males uniquely have that particular aptitude, even with blacks. | ||
| Blacks are brought in and people say, well, you know, but they're very high testosterone. | ||
| And it's true. | ||
| They riot and they burn stuff down, but that's like built in. | ||
| Oh, like, like Jake. | ||
| Well, Jake, you're not burning stuff down. | ||
| You're not burning stuff down. | ||
| You're not, you're not with BLM. | ||
| But they do that, and that's like built into the cost. | ||
| You know, like the banks, Target, all the, they built into the cost, shoplifting, burning, all that kind of stuff. | ||
| And they get it out of their system every now and again, and then it resets. | ||
| But those people aren't reading the papers, and they don't read between the lines, and they don't know about the corruption scandals. | ||
| That's why in like Brazil and Africa, you have people They're in power for like a hundred years and they're embezzling all the money. | ||
| And they're like, you know, like in Haiti. | ||
| That's what happened in Haiti. | ||
| They had a deal with Venezuela. | ||
| They got free oil in exchange for, they said they spend the money on social programs. | ||
| Government just stole all the money that people didn't even notice. | ||
| There's no journalist there. | ||
| There's no one getting the scoop. | ||
| And, you know, so they want basically no supervision and they know that, uh, you know, you get rid of the white hobbyist, that white genius, there's going to be no threat to their power at all. | ||
| That's really the game. | ||
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It's too bad the media reflects it identically. | |
| If you see it, for example, Joker is one of your favorite movies, Nick. | ||
| Joker 2 ended up becoming a musical with Lady Gaga because white incel frog people... Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Start over. | ||
| Wait, Joker 2's ass? | ||
| Because I haven't seen it yet. | ||
| Is it good? | ||
| Well, it's out. | ||
| They turned it into a musical because Joker 1 ended up becoming a symbol for the white incel, the disenfranchised white incel. | ||
| Every time there's a symbol in the media that represents that silent majority that got Trump elected, Breaking Bad's a great example. | ||
| You can see a white guy rising up, shaving his head, reclaiming his masculinity, and then the last season, the enemy ends up becoming, instead of the brown Venezuelan, it's a neo-Nazi. | ||
| It's the symbol of white supremacy because they don't want whites to have any sort of representation. | ||
| You nailed it when you said masculinity. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| The British government spends billions of dollars a year trying to remove me from schools. | ||
| What did I say? | ||
| What color is your brigade? | ||
| I'm the problem, not the knife crime, not the drugs. | ||
| No, not the kids getting stabbed to death. | ||
| Not the rappers that sing about killing and murdering. | ||
| No, just me because I said, you know, stand up and be a man and go to the gym. | ||
| Bro, it's a clown world. | ||
| Masculinity. | ||
| He's under massive attack because masculinity is in the way. | ||
| I think Nick has nailed it with the autistic white man thing. | ||
| The white man's organized. | ||
| He's a formidable foe. | ||
| He's organized. | ||
| He gets his shit right. | ||
| He's on time. | ||
| You know, BLM is great, but if it's before 9am, they're, you know, they're tired. | ||
| You know, this is what it is! | ||
| And they finna get them some Jordans, they get distracted by a Nike store, whatever. | ||
| Build some new shoes, get the chinks to make new shoes, and it's fine. | ||
| The white man's organized, and that's what they fear. | ||
| They fear a genuine organized resistance. | ||
| And it's kind of remarkable that they've managed, to be fair to them, it's kind of remarkable they've managed to instill so much hatred inside the white population that they're gonna allow their women to be raped. | ||
| Let me tell you all a story. | ||
| I was attacked in Moldova. | ||
| I was walking in Moldova, in Chisinau, Moldova, about seven or eight years ago. | ||
| My brother and I were walking, and we had three Russian girls with us. | ||
| And these four Russian men started screaming at us in Russian. | ||
| And I don't know what they said. | ||
| And the girls replied to the guys in Russian and started having some little kind of argument on the street. | ||
| And I told the girls, shut up. | ||
| I hate when girls run their mouth when the men have to fight. | ||
| So I said, shut up. | ||
| Anyway, I was like, what are they saying? | ||
| And the girl said, they're calling us whores. | ||
| They're calling us whores. | ||
| And I was like, anyway, these four dudes came over and we're like, where are you from? | ||
| Where are you from? | ||
| And I was like, I live in Romania. | ||
| It's like, where are you from? | ||
| Where are you from? | ||
| And as soon as they got close, they swung. | ||
| And when they started attacking my brother and I, like out of nowhere, like 25 dudes just appeared out of nowhere. | ||
| Long story short, we managed to block a few punches. | ||
| We moved, it was both, both of us. | ||
| And we saw all 25 of them. | ||
| We backed up. | ||
| We said, girls, let's go. | ||
| We jumped in a taxi. | ||
| They attacked us because they knew that we were only there for girls. | ||
| And they knew the girls were only with us for money. | ||
| And they thought, why the fuck are they in Moldova? | ||
| Nobody comes to Moldova. | ||
| Fuck them. | ||
| And I tried to explain to the girls that I respected those guys. | ||
| The girls were like, I'm so sorry. | ||
| I'm so sorry. | ||
| I was like, I get it. | ||
| She goes, what do you mean you get it? | ||
| They just attacked you. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I'm not even mad about it. | ||
| I'm bleeding. | ||
| I totally understand. | ||
| I could have died then and there, but I have to be mad enough to admit I understood them. | ||
| Because they knew what we were there for. | ||
| Their only resource. | ||
| They knew women don't give a fuck about nationality and they're just chasing money. | ||
| So they were nationalistic. | ||
| And they were white people. | ||
| Moldova, Russia, a few countries have it left. | ||
| But the Western white man just seems to be prepared to just roll over and die. | ||
| It's remarkable. | ||
|
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Hey, real quick. | |
| Andrew and Nick, this is my other buddy, Kevin. | ||
| Kevin, go ahead and unmute. | ||
| What's up, Kevin? | ||
| It was good to meet you. | ||
| Hey. | ||
| Kevin. | ||
| Hey, Kev. | ||
| SneakerCon's gonna be fun this weekend. | ||
| Um, what's it called? | ||
| Kevin, this is Andrew. | ||
| Um, Kevin. | ||
| Hi. | ||
| And then, Kevin, this is Nick. | ||
| And then you know Jake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hi. | ||
| Kevin is my news. | ||
| Does Kevin talk? | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| Kevin. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Andrew's talking to you. | ||
| Yeah, I'm here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's good, Jake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You good? | ||
| Where are you American? | ||
|
unidentified
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You live in America? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm in Canada. | ||
| Oh, I'm lucky, bro. | ||
| I'm lucky. | ||
| Sorry about that. | ||
| Why is he unlucky? | ||
| Last time I was in Canada, Drake, like, green-lighted me. | ||
| I don't even know what the fuck that means. | ||
| I get pissed. | ||
|
unidentified
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What? | |
| Drake landed from Canada. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he pressed not come over here. | ||
| But Nick, you've been live for about five hours. | ||
| You're not tired. | ||
| Is that your longest stream, Nick? | ||
| No, I've done longer, but when I was doing the RNC, it was like eight hours a day. | ||
| But yeah, I mean, I did a show. | ||
| I did the debate. | ||
| Now it's the post-debate recap. | ||
| It's been a long stream, but it's been fun. | ||
| It's been, I don't know, is this the kind of content you normally do? | ||
| I feel like it's pretty political. | ||
|
unidentified
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No, not really, but I see Jake and Kevin, and I guess I'm here as well to try to pick up the political thing. | |
| His audience wants him to mostly steer away from political stuff, but it's more interesting to him. | ||
| As you get older, as you get older, you want to... You want to dive in. | ||
| This is the stuff that you care about. | ||
| It's hard to just do... Yeah, I actually do like it more. | ||
| Yeah, I can tell that it actually interests him. | ||
| And even though he's always said positive things about you, Nick, off camera too, he's like, he finds you very funny and he likes, obviously he doesn't agree with much of the stuff, especially like when you start talking about certain events in the past, he'll start screaming. | ||
| But other than that, the rhetoric is appreciated. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's fun. | ||
| You know, I mean, you don't have to agree with everything to just, I just like to hear people talk. | ||
| I like to hear people with ideas and, you know, it's fun to just, Talk about stuff that matters. | ||
| I feel like so much of the content is so mindless. | ||
| You know, I mean, when they started banning, they started banning like prank videos, conspiracies, and it's like, there was a period on YouTube where all you had was slime tutorials. | ||
| You know, like that was the, it's just like the most mindless makeup tutorials, slime tutorials, commercials. | ||
| And I feel like people like fighting, people like politics, people like that kind of stuff. | ||
|
unidentified
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So, you know, so I enjoy it, but. | |
| Yeah, that's the content game. | ||
| It's a couple people at the top profiting. | ||
| This panel here is so funny because Aiden's barely said a word, and he's getting a black guy, a Chinese guy, a mixed guy, a white guy, and also another mixed guy to just dance and make the money for him. | ||
| It looks like Israel versus the world right now. | ||
| You really gotta do that? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| It's all love, love, King. | ||
| I don't think this panel's been nearly toxic enough. | ||
| There's going to be a little bit of MSM, but I don't think I'm going to get in that much trouble for this. | ||
| I feel like I need to up the game. | ||
|
unidentified
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You know? | |
| This has been easy. | ||
| We just said the easy shit. | ||
|
unidentified
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You know one of the things I love? | |
| Let me be toxic, because I'm called the most toxically masculine man in the world. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| You know what's super cool about being toxically masculine? | ||
| Never explaining myself to anyone ever. | ||
| Like, sometimes I just say things like, well, where'd you come up with that? | ||
| What data do you have? | ||
| My balls. | ||
| I just made it up. | ||
| Women can't drive. | ||
|
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Well, I have the insurance data that says... Because you're gay. | |
| You look at data because you're gay. | ||
| I decided... | ||
| So that's how it is. | ||
| I just decide things. | ||
| And they're true. | ||
| And in my house, they're true. | ||
| I can just walk around. | ||
| I just decided. | ||
| You should have seen the way. | ||
| I actually spoke to Tristan about this the other day. | ||
| I said, how did we get COVID so right? | ||
| Because there's nobody on the internet who can claim to get COVID better than us. | ||
| Nobody. | ||
| We had it on day one, the very first day we were already rebelling and going to Sweden, living in Sweden because it was open. | ||
| We moved country. | ||
| And I said, I said, how did we get that so right? | ||
| Cause we didn't know, but we kind of just, we were on day one of COVID when everyone was dying in Italy and people were dying in China and everyone was panicking. | ||
| Me and Tristan just went, nah, we just, we just made it up. | ||
|
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We just decided, fuck the news, fuck the, no, no. | |
| I do that to this day. | ||
| I said to my, one of my girlfriends, my women can't drive. | ||
| Why do you say that? | ||
| Have you ever seen women crash? | ||
| A few. | ||
| Have you seen Mencrash? | ||
| Yeah, actually. | ||
| So why do you say women can't drive? | ||
| I just... I've decided. | ||
| I don't need evidence. | ||
| I don't need proof. | ||
| You can pull as many theories out of your ass as you want. | ||
| I've decided. | ||
| And that's why I don't want to debate with that little faggot, because he's gonna come and say, well, actually, actually, I've decided. | ||
| And you're a little bitch. | ||
| So I don't care what you say, and I don't care what study you have. | ||
| I've already decided, and I'm right. | ||
| So shut the fuck up. | ||
| That's the ultimate male- The ultimate masculine perspective is, I said so. | ||
| Think about it. | ||
| Mom, do I have to clean my room? | ||
| Yeah, you have to clean your room. | ||
| You can't live in a messy room. | ||
| Dad, do I have to clean my room? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because I fucking said so. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Don't want to die today. | ||
| Better clean my room. | ||
| That's how I was raised. | ||
| It was all I said so. | ||
| That's how I run my children. | ||
| That's how I run my household now. | ||
| I said so. | ||
| I don't negotiate with kids. | ||
| I see white people. | ||
| We don't talk about white people. | ||
| White people are the worst parents ever. | ||
| They're negotiating with children. | ||
|
unidentified
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You see them. | |
| If you're good today, Timmy, we'll give you some candy. | ||
|
unidentified
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What the fuck? | |
| You're doing a business? | ||
| Are you a fucking toddler? | ||
|
unidentified
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If I wasn't good, I got beaten so bad. | |
| Bro, black parents no different. | ||
| What do you mean, candy? | ||
| There's no candy! | ||
| There's only violence! | ||
| There's none of these layers. | ||
| There's no core. | ||
| There's none of this. | ||
| It's just, you get your ass whooped. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Why do people even do this with children? | ||
| I just say because I said so for everything. | ||
| My girls say to me, is Kamala bad? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, she's evil. | ||
| She's going to destroy the world. | ||
|
unidentified
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Why? | |
| I said so. | ||
|
unidentified
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No. | |
| Will you explain? | ||
|
unidentified
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No. | |
| No! | ||
| I said so, so that's it. | ||
| That's the end of the conversation. | ||
| Same with the kids. | ||
| Same with all of them. | ||
| I said so. | ||
|
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So I'm now at the point of wealth and influence. | |
| I'm an hour I said so guy. | ||
| When I next sit with the BBC and they say, you had this misogynistic view, where'd that come from? | ||
| Because I made it up. | ||
| From my balls, I invented it. | ||
|
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I mean it, and I don't need to prove shit to you, and that's the bottom line. | |
| That's my new world, dude. | ||
| That's why I won't debate with that little faggot. | ||
|
unidentified
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Andrew, how's life, bro? | |
| It's pretty good, actually. | ||
| Caught my cars back yesterday. | ||
| It was nice. | ||
|
unidentified
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Well, how's the driving been? | |
| It's been good? | ||
| You know, did I want them back? | ||
| Sometimes you think you want things and then they come and then you don't really care. | ||
| I mean, why did I even buy them? | ||
| Did I buy them to drive them or did I buy them because I'm rich and I just like having other people's dreams on my driveway? | ||
| Maybe I just bought them to show off. | ||
| Maybe it's because I'm part black and it's just, you know, like diamond watches and cars. | ||
| I'm just an idiot. | ||
| I just buy all this shit. | ||
| And then it gets taken away. | ||
| And I'm like, it's quite peaceful without all that crap to deal with. | ||
| And now it's all back and they need cleaning. | ||
| And it's quite stressful. | ||
| You know? | ||
| So I don't I don't know what to say. | ||
| I mean, my brother and I talk we miss jail. | ||
| Jail was great. | ||
| You know, you wake up, push ups, beans. | ||
| Life was simple. | ||
| Now it's all complicated and Elections and court. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is life ever good, Aidan? | ||
| You tell me. | ||
| What do you do with your life? | ||
| Convince me your life's worth living. | ||
|
unidentified
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Okay. | |
| Wake up, workout, then I eat, then I sleep. | ||
| Don't lie. | ||
| You don't work out. | ||
| That's a lie. | ||
|
unidentified
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So let's start with the truth. | |
| He's been going hard. | ||
| He's been going hard in the gym recently. | ||
| I think he's not on drugs. | ||
| I've been around him for about a week. | ||
| He's pretty locked. | ||
| I've never seen him this motivated before. | ||
| I gotta give him credit for being this motivated. | ||
| I eat healthy. | ||
| I stay very, very locked in and that's what I do. | ||
| Are you going to save the white race, Aiden? | ||
|
unidentified
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What did you say? | |
| Are you going to save the white people? | ||
| If I had to choose one race to save? | ||
| Tristan! | ||
| Tristan, how you doing, man? | ||
|
unidentified
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That's Tristan, let's go! | |
| I've been listening for about an hour and I don't really have much to say. | ||
| I'm just going to sit here and enjoy the ambiance of this podcast because it's nice and toxic, as Andrew was saying, and I bask in toxicity. | ||
| So I'm just here to soak up the bad vibes, you know, power myself up for the day. | ||
| We need coffee made by a female. | ||
| We need females. | ||
| Instruct females to bring us things. | ||
|
unidentified
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Sure. | |
| I promise. | ||
| Give me a second. | ||
| So anyways... BBC! | ||
| Have a breakdown! | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Anyway, Jake, what about you, man? | ||
| What do you... Jake, what do you do when you wake up? | ||
| I... I stay in, work out. | ||
| You know. | ||
| Stay in, work out. | ||
| I need two coffees to go to the studio. | ||
| Yeah, I see. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| My debating days are over, guys, because that's all I said, so I'm sorry. | ||
| I just said so. | ||
| This is just how I know. | ||
| I just know things instinctually. | ||
| Like, I know that Nick, you and Candace have some kind of beef. | ||
|
unidentified
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I don't know. | |
| I don't understand it. | ||
| But I like Candace. | ||
| She's been very nice to me. | ||
| Candace is a huge... I don't let anyone say anything bad about Candace. | ||
| I love Candace. | ||
| And when she was explaining to me about Brigitte Macron, she was, like, showing me data and stuff, like, why he's a man. | ||
| And I'm like, you don't have to show me anything. | ||
| I know that that's true because Macron's a little faggot. | ||
|
unidentified
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Why do you have beef, Nick, with Candace? | |
| I wouldn't say it's beef, but, you know, she gets fired from Daily Wire for saying it's the Jews. | ||
| And then she starts saying it's not the Jews, it's people pretending to be Jewish. | ||
| And I just said that's not really true. | ||
| So we just have a disagreement. | ||
| She says it's in the Bible, it says they'll call themselves Jews, but they're not. | ||
| And I said, well, that doesn't necessarily mean it's the followers of Jacob Frank. | ||
| I said that could mean a lot of things. | ||
| But we have a disagreement about it and we talk privately. | ||
| We're not we're not really contentious anymore we're not hostile to each other, but | ||
| we had a little you know, there's a little bit of distrust because | ||
| When you're in this scene and you're controversial and you're telling the truth | ||
| There are people and I don't know Candace. I've only talked to her a handful of times. I don't I've never met her | ||
| but people do come in and out of the scene and Sometimes they are really with us and sometimes they're | ||
| pretending to be with us and I was trying to figure out which one she was | ||
| And I think she's on the right side, but we just have a disagreement about how we interpret that part of Revelation. | ||
| I think it's just the Jews. | ||
| Just plain, straight up, vanilla, that's who's doing it. | ||
| She says it's complicated. | ||
|
unidentified
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Nick, I want to ask you a question, man. | |
| You know, I'm Jewish, man. | ||
| And what do you think about me overall, like, as a Jew? | ||
| Do you think that I'm one of the good ones? | ||
| Do you think that, um... Do you not like me? | ||
| Like, if there... Let me ask you this, also. | ||
| It's a two-parter. | ||
| Wait Jake, why are you shaking your head? | ||
| I'm shaking. | ||
| Hahaha. | ||
| Hey Jake, you look... | ||
| Hahaha. | ||
|
unidentified
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Real quick though. | |
| I'm gonna answer two-parter. | ||
| Overall, three-parter. | ||
| Overall, what do you think about me? | ||
| Do you like that I'm Jewish? | ||
| And if you could, what would you do about me being Jewish? | ||
| You can answer all three. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Well, I like you. | ||
| I think you're funny. | ||
| I think you have a good heart. | ||
| And here's the thing, like, I like Jews in general. | ||
| I think, you know, it's like every race has their own attributes, like black people, a lot of criminality, but they're also, they also have big hearts. | ||
| They're also musical. | ||
|
unidentified
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What's that? | |
| Jake, don't let him talk to you like that. | ||
| So, you know, but there's pros and cons, like with white people. | ||
| White people are very organized, but then they're also a little cucked and, you know, they listen to their girlfriends too much and whatever. | ||
|
unidentified
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No, no, no! | |
| It's true, it's true, they do. | ||
| White people are simps. | ||
| I hate to say it. | ||
| I hate to break it to you. | ||
|
unidentified
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Okay. | |
| Alright. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| Number two. | ||
|
unidentified
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Number two. | |
| And with Jews, you know, Jews are very funny. | ||
| They're very intelligent. | ||
| And so I have friends who are Jewish, and they're some of my favorite people. | ||
| They're very extroverted. | ||
| They're hilarious. | ||
| At the same time, they're not super trustworthy, okay? | ||
|
unidentified
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Like, they do... Oh, come on! | |
| That's just true, and I know it from experience. | ||
| It's like Andrew said. | ||
|
unidentified
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I said so. | |
| They have a talent for deception, and it's the same reason that they're funny, the same reason that they're super smart and good lawyers, it's the same reason they have a talent to spin tales and tell tales. | ||
|
unidentified
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You know, because they're... Hold on. | |
| Do you think that Jewish people are manipulative? | ||
| Oh yeah, all day. | ||
| All day. | ||
|
unidentified
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This is true! | |
| And Jake, you black people steal! | ||
| What do you say, Tristan? | ||
| I played this game with a Jewish friend of mine recently. | ||
| I was sitting as a member of the war room. | ||
| We were sitting having drinks. | ||
| Very cool guy, because I do have Jewish friends. | ||
| When you always ask, like, what do you think about me being Jewish, et cetera, my perception on it is, are you in the group chat or not? | ||
| Because, Aiden, I know there's a secret group chat. | ||
| That controls all this crap. | ||
| And if you're not in it, then cool. | ||
| It's all about who's in the group chat. | ||
| I wrote a secret friend of mine, and I basically said something very similar to Nick. | ||
| I said, look, we're going to play a word association game. | ||
| I'm going to say a crime, and you're going to say a race, OK? | ||
| I said gun violence in inner cities. | ||
| Black. | ||
|
unidentified
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Smuggling drugs and people across the US border. | |
| That makes sense. | ||
|
unidentified
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Using banking powers and lobbying groups to subvert politicians. | |
| I was like, look bro, I can take it as a half black man. | ||
| I can take the fact that we're the ones shooting up the inner cities. | ||
| Look, I'll take that L. I'm not in the group chat. | ||
| I'm not in the gang bangers, let's go smoke this nigger group chat. | ||
| That's not what I'm about as a half black man. | ||
| Yo, oh my God! | ||
| Group chat, Aiden, you see? | ||
| You're just a guy who's Jewish, like my Jewish friends, which is fine. | ||
| If you're in the group chat, I've got to be careful about you. | ||
| I don't know if you use Telegram, Signal, WhatsApp, if you've got your own little thing, but I know there's a group chat that you're not in. | ||
| Tristan, I'm not in it, I promise. | ||
| Good, good. | ||
| So, let me ask Nick a question, because you understand the Jewish scenario. | ||
| I mean, I understand it, but you understand it probably deeper than me. | ||
| But would you argue that Jews are doing—okay, let me make sure I word this correctly. | ||
| Jews feel threatened because they're not a majority, which means they're using the organizational skills of the white man to constantly subvert and retain power. | ||
| So the question is, aren't Jews doing what white people should be doing, but because there's so little of them, they feel enough threat to get it done? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I mean, that's what defines them, is that they are a di— up until recently, they were a diaspora people, meaning they had no land, they had no territory, and even before that, they were subjugated and enslaved, so they have a strong group identity. | ||
| And they're very, they're histrionic. | ||
| You know, like, if you make a Jew joke and you don't have rapport, they'll say it's another Holocaust. | ||
| If you say, like, you know, any Jew joke you can think of, ashtray, this, then that, they'll say, this is anti-Semitism, it's gonna lead to a Holocaust. | ||
| They have, like, this reflexive, histrionic fear of anti-Semitism because of the history of persecution, expulsion, all those things. | ||
| Now, we could look at the reasons for that, but that's just what defines them. | ||
| And so, As a result, like, for example, Israel. | ||
| They go and bomb everybody and they say, well, we were out there defending ourselves. | ||
| That'd be like if I went to my neighbor and, like, shot everyone in the house and said, hey, man, self-defense. | ||
| I mean, you know, I was in the living room hanging out. | ||
| You came downstairs. | ||
| I had to kill. | ||
| That's what they do. | ||
|
unidentified
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Sneeko is telling me that there's Muslims that live in Israel. | |
| That's true. | ||
| And Christians. | ||
|
unidentified
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Jerusalem used to be a really traditionally mixed area. | |
| Al-Aqsa Mosque is in Israel as well. | ||
| But the point being is they take that to this wild extreme where they say, in order to defend ourselves, we need our own country. | ||
| In order for us to have our own country, we need to be terrorists, like the early Zionists. | ||
| In order for us to defend our country, we have to invade our neighbors. | ||
| We have to machinate and do, you know, lobbying in the United States and all of that. | ||
| You know, like in the 73 war, Israel was almost defeated by the Arabs, and the Prime Minister of Israel said, If America doesn't send us this giant airlift of weapons, we'll just nuke everybody. | ||
| And it's like, but that's, they're taking their survival to this logical conclusion and extreme. | ||
| And it's like Andrew said, it's Darwinism. | ||
| If white people had that same mindset, you know, we would be seeking to empower ourselves, but we don't, we don't have that same fear because white people are comfortable. | ||
| We're altruistic. | ||
| We're in the majority. | ||
| A lot of white people aren't even conscious of race because they don't need to be because they grew up in a white neighborhood. | ||
| And so they go out into the world. | ||
| It's like Andrew said, too, about courts. | ||
| They don't know how it is in other places. | ||
| Because to them, race, they're comfortable with it being a construct because it's not an imminent reality for them. | ||
| For Jews, they grew up their whole lives knowing they're different from everybody. | ||
| They celebrate Hanukkah, not Christmas. | ||
| They get told stories all their holidays about them being persecuted and them being attacked by the Romans or the Persians or the Babylonians. | ||
| And so they have this like survival instinct, which leads them to amass power and dominate. | ||
| And yeah, like white people should do the same thing. | ||
| I 100% agree. | ||
| I almost don't even hold it against them. | ||
| But they need to recognize that, you know, there are white countries and white people should be able to thrive and we should be partners, not pawns or puppets. | ||
| And that's where Jews have what you call chutzpah. | ||
| They come into the country and they act like it's their home and they tell people what to do and so on. | ||
| And, you know, that's not respectful. | ||
| That's not harmonious. | ||
| It stems from their religion. | ||
| In their religion it says that they're people and we're animals. | ||
| It says that they have souls and we don't. | ||
|
unidentified
|
That's not true. | |
| It is true. | ||
| But so... But listen, personally me, I don't look at you guys as animals. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Hey, I appreciate that. | ||
| I don't see you as an animal. | ||
| I see you as a human being. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Wait, okay, can you answer my third question, though, really quick? | |
| If you could do something about me being Jewish, would you? | ||
| Or would you just keep me the way I am? | ||
| I would convert you to being Catholic, but I think that... What about... I'm not trying to turn you two against each other, but what about Islam, right? | ||
| So, you know, there's a lot of similarities in Judaism and Islam. | ||
| There is. | ||
| Like, we were talking about it with... There's more similarities in Christianity and Islam. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| I don't think that's true. | ||
| Look, the main similarity is that we respect Jesus. | ||
| We love Jesus as a prophet, peace be upon him. | ||
| Christians see him as God. | ||
| Jews, they don't. | ||
| Jews rejected him and that's how Christianity started. | ||
| But Jesus Christ was true. | ||
| It's a religious argument, but I just want to understand. | ||
| I want to see if you see it the same way I do, because I believe that scared dogs bite, and I believe that Jews are naturally afraid, and that's the reason they're so psychopathic, is because they're afraid. | ||
| And you quite pertinently pointed out that they felt different their whole lives. | ||
| They know they're different. | ||
| They have a national identity. | ||
| And we're talking about how white people should be doing what they're doing to protect themselves. | ||
| And then would you also agree that they're subverting white nations because they consider white people the most organized and serious threat? | ||
| Yeah, that's what World War II, the myth of World War II is all about because the mantra after World War II was never again. | ||
| Never again can there be a Hitler and a Holocaust. | ||
| And by the way, I agree with that. | ||
| But they said, no, no, we cannot. | ||
| You know, we would say something like, yeah, countries shouldn't genocide people. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| But what they, they took it a step further and they said, well, what led to Hitler? | ||
| And they said, fathers, love of nation, love of God. | ||
| They said, and they called it the authoritarian personality. | ||
| Yeah, go ahead. | ||
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Nick, you're saying that, or sorry, Andrew, you said that like, the Jews are like, scared, right? | |
| We're scared. | ||
| Of what, exactly? | ||
| I mean, you guys are also saying that Jews run the world, right? | ||
| So, what would we technically be scared of? | ||
| I'm not a Jew who runs the world. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| I give nobody any shame or... | ||
| But there's what I said scared dogs bite. I mean, they're afraid that they're going to be wiped out | ||
| They're afraid for their existence and this is why they are so protective of | ||
| The narrative to change and they want to have israel and as nick pointed out they're they're very aggressive | ||
| And when a dog is aggressive, it's a scared dog a dog. That's not scared isn't aggressive | ||
| They're aggressive and they believe that anyone anytime might kill them and might come for them | ||
| They're nervous. | ||
| They're jittery. | ||
| That's how they are. | ||
| That's why they'll go to war so easily. | ||
| It's why they'll invade countries. | ||
| It's why they'll commit genocide. | ||
| It's why they'll do such heinous things, because they're afraid. | ||
| When you're afraid, you do heinous things. | ||
| And the white man, perhaps, isn't very afraid, which is why he's not reacting very much to anything. | ||
| He doesn't feel the fear, but fear is a very powerful motivator inside of the human psyche. | ||
| In fact, I don't know why I'm getting thumbs up, but Fear is probably the most powerful motivator inside of the human psyche. | ||
| So I think that they fear and they feel afraid and that's why they're constantly searching for power and constantly trying to subvert all other power structures is because they know that they're threatened. | ||
| If you don't feel threatened, you're not going to react. | ||
| That's just how things are. | ||
| You're not going to take You're not going to take preventative measures at least. | ||
| If you live in a hostile area, you're going to put a big fancy door on your house because you're scared. | ||
| You're going to get guns because you're scared. | ||
| If you don't feel any threats, you're not going to. | ||
| So I feel like perhaps they just feel intimidated, they feel threatened, and they know especially now that they pissed the world off, so they're even more threatened, more intimidated, because they know that they're less liked And they see the white countries and the white man as the most organized and formidable enemy, because they fear organized enemies. | ||
| They don't fear randomized enemies. | ||
| They fear an organized group of people coming along and taking their influence away, because if they lose their influence, then they feel like they're going to be destroyed. | ||
| That's the only time, guys, that's the only time white people are going to get their act together, once it's too late. | ||
| Once it's too late, they're going to wake up and they're going to go, oh shit, When you try and prevent the bad thing from happening before it's too late, then you're crazy, then you're a conspiracy theorist, then you're a bad person. | ||
| But once it's too late, they'll all mobilize and they'll do anything it takes to try and survive. | ||
| That's just how, that's human nature, unfortunately. | ||
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Yes, sir. | |
| Question though, would you, do you agree that like, I mean, I mean, I know the answer, but what about like a Jew like me, right? | ||
| Not like a Jew, Is that me? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| I don't look at it that way. | ||
| People have ties to certain things. | ||
| This actually goes back into what we were saying earlier about thick and thin cultures, right? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I don't look at it that way. | ||
| You just have, people have tried, people have ties to certain things. | ||
| This is actually goes back into what we were saying earlier about thick and thin cultures, | ||
| right? | ||
| The idea that people in Dubai all want to be in Dubai because they can make money and | ||
| they're all loyal enough to Dubai, et cetera. | ||
| If the Jews are loyal to Judaism above everything else, then you're automatically going to subvert everything besides Judaism. | ||
| People often confuse being a hateful person with being a person full of love. | ||
| People confuse this. | ||
| If you love anything, Then you are going to dislike things opposite to that you love. | ||
| They will call you hateful for saying that I love white people. | ||
| No, you just love white people, so you want to see white babies and white families and white nations because you love white people. | ||
| You can't love something without also being called hateful the other way. | ||
| There's equal and opposite force. | ||
| If they are in love with Judaism above all things, then they'll subvert all things besides Judaism, which means they'll subvert all things besides Israel, which includes America. | ||
| So then the question is, well, if they're going to subvert everything besides the only thing they care about, do you want these people having any power over things they do not care about? | ||
| This is a pretty logical conversation. | ||
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Are you checking the group chat, Aiden? | |
| They texted me. | ||
| They said we got to stop talking about this. | ||
| Good catch. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, keep going. | ||
| Jake, they said they're gonna come knock on your door. | ||
| Keep going. | ||
| It's just where loyalties land. | ||
| And perhaps they're so loyal to their history and loyal to their identity. | ||
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I think everyone's loyal to everyone, right? | |
| I think everyone's loyal to everyone, right? | ||
| So, like, if you introduce, like, I mean, even Sneko told me, like, there's a clip of, like, somebody introducing me to somebody, like, oh, he's a Jewish kid. | ||
| But there's also, like, when you guys introduce, I don't know, I don't want to talk about religion, but For example, when you introduce yourself and you're like, oh, he's, you know, a Muslim, whatever, and you guys will say something. | ||
| So you were telling me, it's like the same thing. | ||
| It's like, you guys have said that in comment. | ||
| It's not like it's some type of like cult or like some crazy fucking, you know, thing you got going on. | ||
| It's just like, oh, well, he's a Muslim. | ||
| I'll argue right here that Muslims are loyal to Islam above most things as well, which just adds to the problem. | ||
| I mean, I don't know about America, I'll talk about England, but England, where I grew up, I grew up in a town which was 80% Muslim, Luton, and Muslims are loyal to Islam above they are loyal to the government, and above their loyalty to England, and above their loyalty to most things. | ||
| They're loyal to Islam above all things. | ||
| And I'm not saying they shouldn't be at all. | ||
| I'm saying that they are. | ||
| You have to be logical and have conversations without getting emotionally invested like a child and sit and say, okay, do you want X amount of people inside of a country, X amount of subsect of the populace which are loyal to something different? | ||
| Then the country itself, which will change the face of the nation forever. | ||
| That's the conversation. | ||
| Because everyone's loyal to something. | ||
| If you have a football team, you have black people, white people, Muslims, Jews, everyone on the same football team. | ||
| They're loyal to the football team. | ||
| They all try and win. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| Great. | ||
| But when you talk about a country, when you have people coming to the country who are loyal to things besides the country, and they're prepared to exploit the country for the benefit of that group instead, then you have to ask yourself, do you want those people in the country at all? | ||
| That's a pretty sensible conversation to have, isn't it? | ||
| Like, would I allow someone into my house who didn't have the best intentions for me and the household? | ||
| I don't think that would make sense. | ||
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It's always going to happen with faith. | |
| Muslims are always going to show allegiance to God in front of the nation, because there's nothing more important than God. | ||
| And that's where I see the issue, because that's why I know that Judaism is a false religion, and the same with why I think Christianity is a false religion. | ||
| Islam is only pure loyalty to God and God alone. | ||
| The reason that Judaism, why there's an issue with the power, because I don't, obviously I never said it was all Jews at all, I think it is, I think it's the Zionists that show allegiance to the racial aspect of Judaism rather than the religious aspect. | ||
| And there is no racial aspect in Islam. | ||
| There's no, there's no racial aspect. | ||
| In Islam, as long as you're a Muslim, then you're, we're all the same under God. | ||
| I see what Nick is doing and why it's commendable but we've disagreed upon this and why I think that there's a small flaw is that he sees the issue with Zionism and how ethnicity is tied to faith and it's almost like he wants to do the same thing. | ||
| I would like to see what his response to this is but you see the The Zionist problem and how it's tied to ethnicity and faith. | ||
| And so you talk about how we need white Christians, white Catholics, but there's no idea of whiteness or there's no idea of race that's written into Catholicism. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, my response to that is what we were talking about earlier. | ||
| There is a tension between the fact that, you're right, Islam and Catholicism are both universal religions, meaning anyone can be a part of it. | ||
| Judaism is not. | ||
| Judaism believes that they are a people. | ||
| According to Jewish law, if your mother is Jewish, you're Jewish. | ||
| And they really don't encourage conversion. | ||
| A lot of people don't even recognize conversion. | ||
| A lot of Jews don't. | ||
| That's why on Israel, citizenship is awarded on the basis of ethnicity. | ||
| They call it birthright. | ||
| If you're born a Jew, you'd be a citizen of Israel. | ||
| Catholicism says anyone that gets the sacraments is a Christian, and Muslims believe anyone that says the Shahada and does the almsgiving and all those things, you're a Muslim. | ||
| And the tension is, you know, does that abrogate nationhood and race? | ||
| And I would say it doesn't. | ||
| Thomas Aquinas, the Catholic Catechism, they both say that, you know, there are distinct, discrete nations. | ||
| There are real nations. | ||
| And, you know, a country can have immigrants and take refugees and things like that, but the refugees have to It takes generations for them to be seen as equal. | ||
| It says that in the Catechism. | ||
| Aquinas says that. | ||
| It says that they have to respect the country and the culture of the people in it. | ||
| And what we have going on right now isn't even immigration. | ||
| It is designed to socially engineer the country. | ||
| And by the way, You know, when America is like 10% white, it's not going to be more Catholic. | ||
| It's not going to be more Christian. | ||
| It's going to be barbaric, chaotic. | ||
| It's going to be a never-ending race war. | ||
| So the idea that, like, multi-racialism and population transfers have something to do with Catholicism, it doesn't make the world more Catholic. | ||
| There's nothing in our religion that says we have to accept it. | ||
| You know, race is real, too, and nationhood is real, too. | ||
| And even within Christendom, you had nations, just like within Islam. | ||
| I mean, you have a caliphate, but right now you have nations, and there's different sects. | ||
| You know, you have Shiites and Sunnis and Alawites, and the Houthis are a different type. | ||
| And, you know, the thing with Zionism is different because they really do believe, according to Kabbalah and the Talmud, according to Rabbi Schneerson, who they believe, the Rebbe, they believe he's the Messiah. | ||
| A lot of the Hasidic Jews do. | ||
| He said that Gentiles don't have souls. | ||
| Like, we're not in-souled in the way that Jews are. | ||
| And that's why they say we have the Noahide laws and they have to abide by the Talmud and the Mishnah and all that stuff. | ||
| So they really, it is like baked into the cake with them. | ||
| It's an ethno religion. | ||
| So the religion and the race are inseparable. | ||
| And I would say the difference is, by the way, that's why they're given to hatred. | ||
| You know, they write articles and they say there's a virtue in hating Palestinians. | ||
| When October 7th happened, they said, kill them all, finish the job. | ||
| They're inflicting collective punishment. | ||
| And that's because they don't value human life the same way. | ||
| A lot of them don't. | ||
| Catholics say, even our enemies, we pray for them. | ||
| Even our enemies, especially our enemies, we pray for them and show mercy. | ||
| And compassion. | ||
| So there is a real—I don't think it's fair to say just because, you know, we don't want a race to die that, you know, it's comparable to Zionism. | ||
| And Zionism, too, is particularly about the land. | ||
| They say it's that land, that people, that temple, and restoring the temple so that they can get a Messiah and restart the sacrifices and then rule the world. | ||
| So there's a victimhood that makes them the way they are. | ||
| It is also this prophecy Like, you know, if you read Jewish literature, they're obsessed. | ||
| They're afraid of assimilation. | ||
| It's not only that they're afraid of persecution, and they hate Catholic kings because Catholic kings persecuted them, and they hate the Tsar because the Tsar segregated them. | ||
| And they hate Hitler because Hitler tried to genocide them. | ||
| But what they also resist is assimilation. | ||
| They don't want to intermarry. | ||
| They don't want to adopt everybody's culture. | ||
| And that's why they've persisted for thousands of years. | ||
| They're preoccupied with that. | ||
| And these religious communities, they're preoccupied with staying together, returning to the land, rebuilding the temple, and doing the sacrifices because it's a temple and a land and a race-based religion. | ||
| And without all those things, you don't have Judaism. | ||
| And that's what makes it a real problem. | ||
| It's like Andrew said it perfectly. | ||
| When they run our country or they influence our country, it's like Ben Shapiro. | ||
| Ben Shapiro cares more about Israel than America. | ||
| And if America were at war with Israel, you know what side he would be on. | ||
| Should he be influencing our politics? | ||
| No. | ||
| And so many of the conservative media, they're literally IDF. | ||
| Like Prager University, huge educational outlet. | ||
| The CEO is a former Israeli intelligence operative. | ||
| Do you think, like, Foreign intelligence officers should be manipulating American politics? | ||
| Obviously, there's a conflict of interest. | ||
| And that's the problem. | ||
| It's not a prejudice. | ||
| I don't hate Jews for being Jews. | ||
| I actually like them. | ||
| You know, some of them are very funny and intelligent. | ||
| But, you know, it's about loyalty. | ||
| Are you loyal to country? | ||
| Are you loyal to the people of Israel and world Jewry? | ||
| For many Jews, it's the latter. | ||
| Yeah, this is some of the confusion I've had because obviously I'm Islamic and I agree with Sneko about God and saying how Muslims worship God above all things. | ||
| I respect all of that. | ||
| But I don't see it as anti-Islamic for me to sit and say, me knowing how Muslims view Islam and knowing how we put that above all things, I understand why Christians wouldn't want us to come to their country. | ||
| I am logical enough to understand why they wouldn't want people who do not respect their religion to the same degree they do, or don't even respect their laws. | ||
| They respect Allah's law above the laws of the land. | ||
| I don't think it's anti-Islamic to say, I totally understand why they don't want us to come then. | ||
| Is that anti-Islamic? | ||
| What's wrong with that? | ||
| That makes sense, right? | ||
| Because it's loyalty to I mean, if you're going to have a country, what you want is loyalty to the nation. | ||
| Let's say Russia. | ||
| The reason we hate Russia so much—when I say we, I mean the West—the reason the West hates Russia so much is because they're loyal to Russia. | ||
| They're loyal to the motherland, and they're prepared to die for it. | ||
| That's what they hate about Russia. | ||
| It's just nationalistic. | ||
| They can't stand that it's nationalistic. | ||
| And they'll do anything to destroy it for that one reason alone, because Nationalism is what they fear because men are prepared to die on the spot for something, and that's the number one thing they're afraid of. | ||
| So, if you're a Muslim in Russia, because Russia is very multi-ethnic, you can be Islamic, you can be Christian. | ||
| In fact, a lot of people are surprised by how Islamic Russia is. | ||
| When I was in Moscow, I saw headscarves everywhere, like Turkey. | ||
| It's extremely Islamic. | ||
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But they're all Russian, and they all love Russia. | |
| Right? | ||
| But if you had a sect or a religion in Russia that viewed their religion as above Russia in all ways, I feel like then there'd be some difficulty there. | ||
| I feel like they still managed to stay nationalistic even though there's different religions. | ||
| So I understand why white Christians sit and say, we don't want Muslims to come here. | ||
| That doesn't mean I don't believe in Islam. | ||
| I'm just not personally offended because I just understand their point of view. | ||
| I don't see what's anti-Islamic about saying, I get it. | ||
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Well, I mean, that's something that white Christians would agree with. | |
| They would put their faith above their nationalism at all times. | ||
| I just, I don't want white Christian or just especially Western nations to make the same mistake that Israel's making and why they're the source of so much destruction in the world right now and so much warfare. | ||
| Because if you put allegiance to your nation above allegiance to God, that's how things get corrupted. | ||
| That's how you see the warfare that's happening right now. | ||
| When you're going off about what's bad about Israel and about how Zionists get corrupted because they don't want intermarriage or they don't want people to assimilate into their culture, aren't those two things that you agree with? | ||
| Don't you not want people to race mix and you also don't want much immigration? | ||
| You don't want people to assimilate or change the white Christian identity in the West? | ||
| Well, I don't think it's corrupt. | ||
| You guys talk about corruption. | ||
| That's like a very, that's like an Islamic theological thing. | ||
| You talk about the corrupt, the corruption of the Bible and so on. | ||
| I don't think it's corrupting at all. | ||
| I think it's, it makes sense because they view their bloodline as very special. | ||
| And so, they're actually adhering to their religion. | ||
| That's not a corruption of Judaism. | ||
| That's a fulfillment of Judaism. | ||
| You know, the whole Old Testament is about lineage. | ||
| Like, if you go to, on a Christmas mass, they read out literally the lineage from Adam to Jesus Christ, from the first man until Jesus, and they talk about the whole lineage. | ||
| They're obsessed with it. | ||
| And some Jews say they have a book literally of every Jew for thousands and thousands of years. | ||
| They have all the names, because there's not very many of them. | ||
| And so, no, it's not a corruption of their religion. | ||
| And I would say that, you know, once again, it's like, just because Europe is Christian doesn't mean that Europe doesn't have a right to exist. | ||
| You know, that's why Europeans evangelized the world. | ||
| When Europe went out and colonized the world, we brought Christianity. | ||
| And, you know, the New World was made Christian by the Spanish, and parts of Africa were made Christian by the European colonists. | ||
| And, you know, we want the world to be Christian. | ||
| But we don't want the world to be in the only Christian countries, which were up until hundreds of years ago, in Europe, because then there's no more of us. | ||
| And so, you know, again, I just don't understand, again, in the Catholic religion, there's nothing that says we can't exist as a nation. | ||
| On the contrary, you know, Pope Francis said that we should maintain the different nations. | ||
| He's pro-refugee, thinks we should be compassionate, but he also doesn't believe that, he says that white people should have kids. | ||
| The Pope said that. | ||
| Isn't it a bit hypocritical to say to Christians that as long as people are Christian they are okay to come into white Christian nations? | ||
| Considering that even in the Islamic world we still have countries and we still have borders and we still have sex. | ||
| Like Iran and Iraq and these countries don't even like, a lot of them don't even like each other. | ||
| A lot of them have gone to war. | ||
| In the Islamic world, we don't say you're Muslim so everyone's allowed everywhere. | ||
| In fact, Qatar and Bahrain and Kuwait and some of the richest Islamic nations have the strongest immigration there is. | ||
| And Dubai doesn't just, UAE doesn't just let anyone in who's Muslim. | ||
| No, you have to apply, and you have to do it right, and you have to do it by the law, and you're not allowed to break the border. | ||
| So I just feel like when we say as Muslims, ah, well, we put Islam above countries, so as long as you're Muslim, everything's fine. | ||
| I don't know if most Islamic nations even do that. | ||
| Isn't that just a lie to try and once again convince Christians to just genocide the white race? | ||
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Did you shave your whole body? | |
| Not yet, I gotta do my back too. | ||
| Sorry, I know it's a little bit disturbing for you guys. | ||
| Yeah, it's a bit traumatic. | ||
| It's first thing in the morning, I don't need to be seeing this shade. | ||
| I'll go with those black jeans. | ||
| I've got nothing. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| But no, but on a serious point, like what Islamic country And this is a genuine question, as a Muslim. | ||
| What Islamic country puts Islam above everything else? | ||
| Because there's tribes in Afghanistan, there's tribes in Iran. | ||
| Iran is, I mean, I'm not saying the country can't be unified with different ethnicities, they are, but the ethnicities are still recognized. | ||
| The ethnicities still exist. | ||
| There's still country borders. | ||
| There's still immigration laws. | ||
| There's still all the things that we tell the West are not allowed to have. | ||
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And to take that a step further, when Nick is saying about Jews not wanting to intermarry, etc., a lot of that exists within Muslim countries themselves. | |
| There are people in Iraq who don't describe themselves as Iraqi. | ||
| They say they're Kurds. | ||
| We need our own country. | ||
| We need Kurdistan. | ||
| I'm only going to marry a Kurdish woman because I want to have Kurdish kids. | ||
| All Muslims, all from the same country, all holding Iraqi passports. | ||
| There are certain sects even within Islam and Muslim countries that don't intermarry and won't date people from outside of their own little culture and their own little area anyway. | ||
| So isn't it a massive sigh off to then say to Christians, ah well they're a Christian from Rwanda so just let them come it's all going to be the same because you're all Christian because Muslims don't do that. | ||
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No, I'm not saying that they should just let in Christians. | |
| I'm saying the most important thing has to be the brotherhood within the ummah. | ||
| It's not nationalism. | ||
| There's nothing that says that you can't be nationalistic, but that's what Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, that's what he was sent to separate. | ||
| There were all these tribes in the Arabic region, different pagan religions divided from that. | ||
| When people put their nationalism first, when they said this tribe is the most important thing, that's how they ended up worshipping idols, that's how they ended up being divided. | ||
| Islam came and that united so many people across the world. | ||
| Once again, the biggest Islamic country is not even in the Middle East. | ||
| It's in, I'm pretty sure it's Indonesia. | ||
| No, I agree with you. | ||
| I'm just saying that I try to be fair and balanced in all things. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| But when I talk to Muslims and they say to Umar and Islam above all things, I'm like, yeah, that's fine. | ||
| Saudi Arabia is literally bombing Yemen. | ||
| Literally. | ||
| Like, I feel like there's a degree of hypocritical talk that we use, but we only—we don't talk about it really with other Muslims, because we understand it. | ||
| But when we come to Christians, we come along and say, ah, you should just accept everyone. | ||
| You should, like, you know, as long as they're Christian. | ||
| I feel like it's hypocritical, and I feel like it's just another attack we use on Christians. | ||
| The problem with the Christian faith is that it's based on forgiveness. | ||
| It's based on endless tolerance. | ||
| That's what it's based on. | ||
| I feel like in many ways, Christians are easy to take advantage of. | ||
| I don't know if you saw our protests when we protested what they said they did about Jesus and the Olympics. | ||
| I'm in the most Christian nation in the world. | ||
| It took me and my brother to do that. | ||
| And the other Christians I knew, I was telling them about it, and they were all like, ah, yeah, you know, they'll see in the afterlife. | ||
| It's very It's placid. | ||
| There's too many cheeks to turn. | ||
| And I just feel like sometimes when we talk to Christians as Muslims, or people in general when you talk to Christians, you're just weaponizing their tolerance against them. | ||
| And especially sometimes it can be hypocritical. | ||
| I'm trying to think of an Islamic nation where I can turn up and say, well, I'm a Muslim, just let me in. | ||
| And I don't think that's going to happen. | ||
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We should be representative of Islam. | |
| Because one thing we all agree upon, even if the leaders, they make mistakes, and we all make mistakes, the leaders are not representative of the religion as a whole. | ||
| So we all understand, even though that Saudi may be bombing Yemen or there's divisions between Shia, Sunni, we still believe that there's nothing that is supposed to unite us besides Islam. | ||
| That's always going to supersede nationalism. | ||
| Well, yeah, and we believe that as Christians, but we also believe in nations. | ||
| You know, Catholicism, if you look at the Christian religion, it's very against the idea of globalism. | ||
| It's against the idea of global government. | ||
| It's against the Tower of Babel. | ||
| It is a story of tribes. | ||
| And it is true that You know, Christ came and said, you know, you're neither Greek nor Jew, and man and woman. | ||
| But that's true in a spiritual sense. | ||
| We are still men and women. | ||
| We are still Jew and Greek, or Jew and Gentile, and we are still one nation and another nation. | ||
| And, you know, it's interesting about the Israelis. | ||
| They wrote something in the 80s. | ||
| There's an article that was written back then by this guy named Oded Yanan, and he analyzed all the weaknesses of the Muslim countries. | ||
| He actually said, He was a senior advisor to someone who eventually became the prime minister. | ||
| He said, actually, the real threat to Israel aren't the Muslim countries at all. | ||
| He said, it's moral relativism, it's communism, it's nuclear weapons. | ||
| He said, Muslim countries are only the imminent threat. | ||
| He said, but they will never last. | ||
| And in each case, he said, the systemic weaknesses of every Muslim country was their diversity. | ||
| He said Syria has Alawites, Kurds, and Sunnis. | ||
| Iraq has Sunnis, Shia, and Kurds. | ||
| He said Lebanon is realistically like five countries in one. | ||
| He said Saudi Arabia is not even a real country. | ||
| It's all these tribes and foreign workers ruled over by a very precarious king. | ||
| Egypt has way too many Christians. | ||
| Libya has a small population. | ||
| And he and this guy, and this has formed the basis of Israeli foreign policy. | ||
| This is your Iraq war, Syrian civil war. | ||
| He said, we're going to systematically rip apart these countries on the basis of their | ||
| diversity. | ||
| And so I think that, you know, look, if we want to organize as human beings into strong, | ||
| stable, healthy societies, homogeneity is a part of it. | ||
| It's conducive to a community. | ||
| It's conducive to a good way of living, to have people with commonality. | ||
| And there's something that's good, and there's something that's decent about that, seeing | ||
| race as extended family. | ||
| I think that's part of honor your mother and father. | ||
| Are you really honoring your mother and father if you intermarry and dump all their traditions? | ||
| You know, your parents are one way, you marry somebody else, now your kids are some completely different culture, different color, different everything. | ||
| There's something that strikes me as wrong about that. | ||
| So, and it's true, you know, Islam, the Muslim world is not globalist at all. | ||
| It's very nationalistic. | ||
| It's extremely tribalistic. | ||
| It's sectarian. | ||
| There's big religious differences. | ||
| And so, you know, that's something, ironically, people like Destiny, like liberals will say, oh, you're Christian? | ||
| Well, what do you want to live in a country with 100 million white atheists or 100 million black Christians? | ||
| I don't think there's anything Christian about saying they should. | ||
| I'd rather live in the country with the white people, and then I'd like to evangelize them, | ||
| because I'm white and I think white people should exist. | ||
| The real question is, do you think there should be – do you think Christians – do you | ||
| think white people should be genocided or do you not? | ||
| And I don't think there's anything Christian about saying they should. | ||
| I don't think God would smile upon that, especially given that white people evangelize | ||
| the world and systematize the religion and so on. | ||
| So, it's just, it is like kind of an anti-white... The thing, like, they're not running out of Arabs. | ||
| They're always making more Arabs. | ||
| White people are in short supply. | ||
| You'd probably feel differently if it was reversed. | ||
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That's true, but... You're not Arab, though. | |
| Would you say the same thing if you couldn't evangelize the white atheists? | ||
| Would the answer stay the same? | ||
| Well, at that point, it's like a would-you-rather with this conditional. | ||
| If you couldn't evangelize whites and it had to be all whites or all blacks, I don't know. | ||
| Well, that would just be impossible because we believe that everybody's receptive to the grace of God. | ||
| So it's just like, it's a hypothetical that's impossible. | ||
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That's fair. | |
| I mean, the pushback, I think it was small. | ||
| I mean, people have seen the war that's going on on Twitter. | ||
| I think it all started from the cat eating videos and the dog eating videos and then that video of Trump going around saying they're eating the dogs, eating the cats. | ||
| The major pushback and people started saying I'm a sellout, which is there was no evidence of that happening. | ||
| Like, I'm not saying that we should allow refugees to go. | ||
| There's no evidence of that. | ||
| But there is though. | ||
| The video that went around that went viral was an African-American woman. | ||
| It was a black woman. | ||
| It wasn't even a Haitian. | ||
| There's no specific evidence of Haitians eating cats and dogs in America. | ||
| Yes, there is. | ||
| If you look, you can find it for sure. | ||
| I mean, it's on X. You look through X, you can find anything nowadays. | ||
| The video that went viral that then Trump started talking about at the debate, that was an African-American woman. | ||
| I'm just saying in general, you could definitely find videos of that, 100%. | ||
| Of Haitians eating cats in America? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I can find one right now, bro, if I wanted to. | ||
| Someone can do it, you can find it. | ||
| And actually, I'd argue, just my last bit on this point, even if I find videos of Haitians eating cats in Haiti, I don't want 6% of the Haitian population over in America. | ||
| It doesn't matter where they are, if they're doing it anywhere, I don't want the people who eat cats near my door's cat here, you know? | ||
| Yeah, I think also, one of the things we're overlooking here, you talk about religion, you talk about nationalism, and we talk about, you know, race a lot. | ||
| And I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to feel an affinity to the people around you. | ||
| Humans are social creatures. | ||
| So when we try and get Nick with this question, do you want to be the only outcast in a society? | ||
| Well, not really. | ||
| I mean, I'd like to feel affinity with the people around me. | ||
| And if they look like me, I feel more affinity to them. | ||
| I think that's kind of an unfair question. | ||
| But the other point I want to make here is, I feel like a lot of it is just simply down because we talk about religion, we talk about countries, we talk about all these different things, but really it's down to just interest. | ||
| You need to have a common interest as a population. | ||
| I said earlier about a football team. | ||
| You can have a football team of different races and religions because they have a common interest and a common goal. | ||
| And I think what the West is losing now is we don't have a common interest and a common goal, which is what makes the melting pot such a problem. | ||
| Because when you don't have a common interest and common goal, perhaps you can find a common interest in something as banal and simple and easy to see as race. | ||
| Race is very easy to observe. | ||
| Religion is very easy. | ||
| They're the same as me. | ||
| That wasn't as important when you had a common goal. | ||
| The point I'm getting to with this, which is kind of unfortunate, is I feel like one of the only things that unifies people truly is struggle. | ||
| Because if you look at Iran, Iran has a massive problem with different ethnicities. | ||
| But the reason they manage to keep it all under control is because it's us versus them. | ||
| They have an enemy. | ||
| And when you unify everybody behind an enemy, you can unify the population. | ||
| Russia the same. | ||
| Russia has crazy amounts of ethnicities and religions and languages and time zones. | ||
| But they have enemies. | ||
| It's Russia versus the world. | ||
| So when you have an enemy that is formidable, you can unify people behind one ideal. | ||
| And when you unify people behind one ideal, race and religion become a lot less important, because they have a common goal, a common objective. | ||
| So perhaps in the West, I know, I love these conversations about mass re-migration, all this stuff. | ||
| It's a nice conversation, but it's never going to happen. | ||
| Never in a million years. | ||
| So surely it's more constructive to say, well, then we need a common goal of some sort that everybody buys into. | ||
| The problem is that's difficult when you have people with different versions of history and different religions and different cultural backgrounds and different languages and different upbringings and different Then it becomes a lot more difficult, but you need something that's unifying people at least. | ||
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There's a massive difference to me, having lived all over the world, and I'm a no-man. | |
| I'm half black, quarter Irish, but I'm a mongrel who's a mix of everything, so I understand that the white nationalists hate me and the black BLM people hate me, and I don't fit in anywhere, and that's fine. | ||
| But as a man who's observed the world from all these various perspectives, there's a huge difference between Western white people and Eastern white people. | ||
| And what Western white people need to learn from Eastern white people is this. | ||
| Nick, you're white, and British and French and Spanish will be like, oh, we're white and blacks are coming to our country. | ||
| Go up to a Romanian and say, hey bro, where are you from? | ||
| You look Hungarian. | ||
| To you, that doesn't make any difference. | ||
| They will try to punch you in the face. | ||
| They have this nationalism where, go to a Serb and say, bro, you from Bosnia? | ||
| You Albanian? | ||
| Albanians, it's Kosovo, part of Serbia. | ||
| They will lose their fucking minds, right? | ||
| Eastern white people have this, like I was saying about these thick cultures and these traditions. | ||
| They're not just a bunch of white people who can be replaced by black people. | ||
| Polish people are Polish people and they don't want Romanians in their country. | ||
| Romania has a border with Bulgarians. | ||
| How many Bulgarians have you ever seen in this country in 10 years? | ||
| Zero! | ||
| Because they can't fucking stand each other. | ||
| No, we're Latins, you're Slavs. | ||
| To you, guys, I completely get it. | ||
| They look the same. | ||
| They look the same to me. | ||
| They've got some of the same last names and some of the same traditions, etc. | ||
| But here, they're extremely very different. | ||
| I think the West needs to bring this back, because before we start looking at things... I'll speak as a British man for a moment. | ||
| Before we start looking at things of, oh, well, he's black, he's white, it's fine to be here. | ||
| No! | ||
| Why the fuck should the French be allowed to be here? | ||
| This is England. | ||
| In fact, when the Eurotunnel was being built, everyone forgets this because it was lost just one and a half, two generations ago. | ||
| When the Eurotunnel was being built underneath the English Channel, there were protests from old white men who fought in World War II, holding picket signs saying, no, let's not connect our continent with France. | ||
| Because if we connect our continent with France and they surrender to the Germans again, the Germans can march over, or even worse, the French could invade us like they tried to do in 1815. | ||
| There was this old-school, we're British, they're French nationalism that I think the Western white people need to bring back, because that's the first step of loving and respecting your country. | ||
| Yeah, but they can't. | ||
| The problem with that is that... It's interesting. | ||
| I guess what I'm going to deduce from what you just said, though, Do we agree that if America had a country that was all 100% white, that there'd be new divides driven, drawn somehow? | ||
| That there'd be, oh, well, yeah, but you're Northern, I'm Southern, or you're Blue Eye, I'm Brown Eye. | ||
| Aren't humans just determined to constantly go into smaller and smaller groups and just constantly dislike and distrust the other groups? | ||
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That's a great point. | |
| Romania has three or four groups itself. | ||
| Yeah, but we talk about the West and, you know, white people in the West, etc. | ||
| Only 50 years ago, the English hated the Irish. | ||
| They couldn't stand them. | ||
| If the Irish were in England, they were treated like dogs. | ||
| There were signs everywhere, no Irish. | ||
| Now, the English would do anything to be full of Irish. | ||
| So it's kind of just maybe human nature is to constantly divide into smaller and smaller and smaller groups unless you have some kind of unifying factor. | ||
| Then the real complicated question is what is that unifying factor? | ||
| Because the only thing I can think of in the world that exists today that unifies people is a huge and scary threat like Russia, like Iran, like Israel. | ||
| When they feel genuinely threatened, they can unify behind an ideal to protect themselves. | ||
| And they can ignore all the different cultural discrepancies to try and self-preserve. | ||
| Like the Russians do, like the Iranians do, like the North Koreans do. | ||
| Although they're all one race, it's a bad example. | ||
| But North Korea is kept together by the threat of the West. | ||
| That's the reason he's constantly talking on the news that America's gonna kill us all. | ||
| That's the way he maintains control. | ||
| That's how you maintain control is them versus us. | ||
| So I feel like perhaps if we had to try and fix the West somehow, you'd have to try and convince them there was a genuine threat that was coming to destroy them and try and unify everybody against it. | ||
| But that's the hard part, because especially in the West now, there'd be an X amount of the population who would be welcoming the threat in and saying it's a good idea for some reason. | ||
| It's difficult because everybody thinks so differently. | ||
| It's an interesting thought experiment. | ||
| I'm just trying to understand how the world is the way it is. | ||
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Well, it's happening now. | |
| A lot of people from the left and the right, the first time that we're really agreeing on something major is the issue of Israel. | ||
| People see the debate stage, they see J.D. | ||
| Vance and Tim Walz get on stage, and immediately there's just a glaze-off for Israel. | ||
| Same thing, Trump right now. | ||
| Of course, a lot of us, we agree with Trump on quite a bit, but we're wondering, why do we see an equal amount of Israeli flags as American flags? | ||
| If you're going to talk about an existential threat that people are going to unite against, I think we're seeing it right now. | ||
| And I think you bring up a great point about the constant need to divide ourselves. | ||
| Because even up until maybe 60, 70 years ago, Irish people were drinking at the fountain with me and Jake and you and Andrew and Tristan. | ||
| Irish people were considered black too. | ||
| Italians were not considered the original white people. | ||
| I think the whites who founded America or the new America They considered white people back then to be people from the Slavic region, people from the Netherlands, and some people from the UK. | ||
| Whereas a lot of the other places, they weren't considered white either. | ||
| So naturally, we're always going to find ways and factions to divide ourselves. | ||
| If it became a strictly white country, immediately they would say, North and South is different. | ||
| They'd say, people from this region. | ||
| We're always going to find something. | ||
| We're very tribalistic as people. | ||
| The only unifying force that I've seen is the idea of God. | ||
| That's what was so great about Ye24 again. | ||
| When we all have this conversation, is what is going to get rid of all these problems that's destroying the West right now when it comes to feminism, when it comes to Zionism, when it comes to liberalism, is some sort of return to tradition, is some sort of religious doctrine. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know though. | ||
| I mean, the thing is about America, it's true. | ||
| I mean, America was basically a white racial country up until the 70s. | ||
| It was 90% white and it was a lot of Italians and a lot of Germans and a lot of English and French and a lot of different kinds of white people. | ||
| And you know, there certainly are differences between the kinds of whites and even like, for example, with Italians, there's people that came from Northern Italy and people that came from Southern Italy. | ||
| And there's people that came from Sicily and people that came from Calabria. | ||
| And there were differences even in Minnesota and in the Dakotas. | ||
| You have people from Sweden and people from Norway, and they had cultural differences up there. | ||
| But there's also this question of proximity. | ||
| There's obviously a much smaller difference between Finns and Swedes and Nords, or Norwegians, than there is between Norwegians and Nigerians, or Norwegians and Australian Aboriginals. | ||
| And that's just kind of the thing. | ||
| America was a certain way with white people. | ||
| You bring in a bunch of foreign-born people that don't speak English, have no history of democracy or anything that they had in Europe, Christendom, all those things. | ||
| It's going to be a radically different place. | ||
| I agree, though, with Andrew that, you know, America is an empire. | ||
| Let's just face it. | ||
| It's what it is. | ||
| The idea that it's a republic or a nation is very old school. | ||
| It's been an empire for about 100 years. | ||
| Russia is a multi-ethnic empire. | ||
| China's a multi-ethnic empire. | ||
| The biggest countries typically are. | ||
| The ones with the most land, because they have complicated histories and all kinds of things. | ||
| So, Russia does have a lot of Muslims. | ||
| It has a lot of Mongolians. | ||
| It has a lot of Asiatic-type people. | ||
| China has, like, four peripheral states. | ||
| It's got Uyghurs, Mongolians, Manchurians, all of that. | ||
| But there is an identity of the country. | ||
| When we think of China, we think of a Han Chinese person. | ||
| We don't think of East Turkistan. | ||
| We think of Russia, we think of the Slavs. | ||
| We think of Putin. | ||
| We don't necessarily think of the people in the Caucasus. | ||
| We don't think of the Muslims. | ||
| And I think the same can be said about America. | ||
| I think that that's how America was with whites and blacks. | ||
| You had whites, you had blacks, you had some Hispanics in the South, you had Asians in the West, and that was kind of the family. | ||
| But now the country is fundamentally changing where it's about half white, half non-white. | ||
| And the fundamental question is, well, who are we now? | ||
| Because now the people here, it is like a ton of Hispanics who got here within two or three generations. | ||
| They don't speak English. | ||
| They're forming ethnic enclaves. | ||
| They have different values. | ||
| And now here come the Asians. | ||
| Here come the Indians and the Chinese. | ||
| And it's like in 50 years when the population's 30%, 40% foreign born, first or second generation. | ||
| What are going to be the commonalities? | ||
| It's going to be different religions, languages, cultures, ethnic enclaves battling it out. | ||
| And that's where you almost need something like a segregation or a federalization, like an ethnic federalization, where you can still have a part of America that's white. | ||
| The American Southwest, arguably, you know, at one time it was a little white, but it was always pretty Hispanic. | ||
| OK, that's the Hispanic area. | ||
| And Miami. | ||
| Miami is like a Latin American island. | ||
| It's like a Caribbean country. | ||
| Okay, that's fine. | ||
| But we still need places in America where you can go where it's like it used to be, where it's baseball and apple pie and stuff like that. | ||
| And I think that's really the problem. | ||
| It's not even necessarily that it's becoming more diverse, but that it is the forced integration Which, and it's like Andrew said earlier, there are black neighborhoods in Chicago. | ||
| No one wants to go there. | ||
| And that way of life is perfectly maintained. | ||
| It's white areas that are being destroyed and eroded. | ||
| And the idea that, you know, if they, if we lose them here and they're losing them in Europe and Canada, where are we going to go? | ||
| It's going to be Asia, India, Mexico, Africa, everywhere in the world other than here. | ||
| Where's our homeland? | ||
| And so. | ||
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I think America's lost something very, very important. | |
| And if we take England, for example, I'd start with the question, why would anybody want to be American? | ||
| I'm saying that right now. | ||
| This is 2024, right? | ||
| Let's take England as an example, because fundamentally, I'm English. | ||
| I grew up in England. | ||
| That's my country, right? | ||
| Immigration worked wonderfully once. | ||
| Once it worked wonderfully. | ||
| After World War II. | ||
| And I was tricking a friend of mine, Marcel, some black guy. | ||
| I said, well, your great-grandfather moved to England, didn't he? | ||
| He went, yeah. | ||
| I said, where did he move from? | ||
| He said, Jamaica. | ||
| I said, no, he didn't. | ||
| He moved to England from the British Empire. | ||
| The British Empire was everywhere. | ||
| Jamaica, India, etc. | ||
| And all the immigrants, I have to say, who came over after World War II, started shops, businesses, became lawyers, doctors, bankers. | ||
| It's where this myth comes from, where when you see a boat full of brown people, oh, they're doctors and engineers and lawyers. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| They're Indians from the British Empire. | ||
| were coming over to become doctors and lawyers. | ||
| The Jamaicans from the British Empire came over to run shops and food restaurants, etc, etc, and work jobs and become electricians. | ||
| When you took the British Empire away, and you took the love for all things British and the flag and the crown away, and you start letting black and brown people in from the same countries, India and Jamaica, from the same countries, but one and a half generations separated for their love of all things British, Suddenly, it's a big stab fest where Jamaicans are cutting each other up and slitting their throats in London instead of opening fast food businesses. | ||
| So, in 2024, I'll ask you as an American, why would anyone want to be American? | ||
| Because I get it in the 1930s, 40s, America's the hero of the world, they saved the world from Nazism, etc, etc. | ||
| All the Italians are coming over, everyone's coming over to America to integrate, to be American, to live the American dream. | ||
| I feel like without The American version of the crown, like we once had, that made people aspire to want to be British. | ||
| People coming over to America to see it as some bitch to be exploited. | ||
| They're not thinking, I want to be a part of this. | ||
| And why should people want to be a part of it? | ||
| I guess my question to you. | ||
| Well, everyone's just chasing money in America. | ||
| That's what I said earlier. | ||
| Everyone's just going there for money. | ||
| And that means you're trying to extract. | ||
| I mean, you have to build to make money, but truthfully, you're trying to extract, especially if you're going to send it home to your home country. | ||
| I'm just trying to rack my brain and try to work out what can unify people behind an idea besides war. | ||
| Because Iran feels threatened because of war, and Russia feels threatened because of war. | ||
| So I'm sitting there thinking, if I had to fix America, what could I unify people behind? | ||
| I use Dubai as an example. | ||
| It's not a completely fair example, because it only has 5 million people, and America has 400 million. | ||
| So it probably wouldn't work when you extrapolate it out. | ||
| But One thing Dubai does have is, because it does have unifying factors, Dubai is 80% immigrants, all different religions, all different colors, from all different parts of the world, and a lot of it is third world as well. | ||
| And it's still extremely safe, even though you have third worlders there. | ||
| What unifies people? | ||
| Well, we can talk about the fact that people want money, but That's the same reason they go to America. | ||
| You can talk about the fact that people earn more money than they do at home, and that's the same as America. | ||
| But I feel like Dubai has one other thing. | ||
| The state religion and the native populace are respected and feared. | ||
| And I feel that's the one thing America does not have. | ||
| You do not go to Dubai and insult Islam, and you also don't go to Dubai and insult the Arabs. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| In fact, if you get in a car crash and you hit an Arab, it was your fault, no matter what. | ||
| You did it. | ||
| So maybe if America just had Enforced respect for the state religion. | ||
| A two-tier system. | ||
| Well, to a degree, it's a two-tiered system. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| It's a two-tiered system, but it works. | ||
| But in America, you can't do that. | ||
| You're saying you don't have to respect our religion and you don't have to respect our native populace. | ||
| Can that even ever function long-term to invite all these different people that nothing can unify them? | ||
| You can't fight any cause they'll unify behind besides literally nuclear war. | ||
| Even then, even in the state of nuclear war, if America got hit with a nuke, Americans would turn on each other. | ||
| It'd be rioting. | ||
| Five seconds. | ||
| So nothing can unify Americans. | ||
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It's going to get me some Nikes. | |
| It's going to get me some. | ||
| Nothing can unify them at all. | ||
| And I'm saying that if you're going to try and have that population, which is so diverse, and you're not even going to enforce respect for the state religion and the native populace, then how can it even function? | ||
| Can it ever work? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| That's what they do in, like, Singapore and the Emirates and these, like, rich city-states. | ||
| They have carefully managed the demographics, and there is a certain primacy afforded to the native people, you know. | ||
| And in America, I'd be fine with something like that, and it wouldn't even necessarily come with more or less rights, but just a recognition of, like, this is what America is, and other people can be here, but they're not going to fundamentally change the identity in the same way that You know, in Russia, they're never going to take away the Russian Orthodox Church. | ||
| They're never going to take away the love of being Slavic or Slavic culture. | ||
| People can be there. | ||
| They could have their own regions with some autonomy. | ||
| I think people would be fine with that in America. | ||
| But the problem is that, you know, it's like you said, it's the opposite. | ||
| There's a hatred that people come here, say they come here to take advantage of The benefits of citizenship while hating the founders and saying, oh, the founders were slave owners. | ||
| This is an imperial empire. | ||
| They're all pieces of shit. | ||
| They want to recolonize or uncolonize or undo the settlement that we put here. | ||
| And that's really the problem. | ||
| I think I speak for a lot of white people when I say if there was a ton of diversity, but the minorities were grateful. | ||
| I'm talking about the foreign born, not the descendants of slaves, necessarily, although they should be grateful, too, because they're not in Africa. | ||
| But if the foreign-born came here and they were grateful and they were respectful and there was a sense of deference because they're guests or visitors or new, there'd be far less of a problem. | ||
| It's that they come here, they burn the flag, they don't say the Pledge of Allegiance. | ||
| And I've seen it in Chicago. | ||
| Chicago was never a Mexican city. | ||
| Now it's a third Mexican. | ||
| They don't stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. | ||
| They don't learn to speak English. | ||
| When it's Mexican Independence Day, like it was a week ago, they take over the city with their celebrations. | ||
| It goes all night. | ||
| They jam up the traffic. | ||
| They're shooting people on the bridge. | ||
| And white people go, hey, what the fuck? | ||
| Get out. | ||
| Like, you're a guest and you're being rude. | ||
| And it wasn't like that a hundred years ago. | ||
| Europeans have come here and kissed the ground when they got off the fucking boats because they were grateful to be here. | ||
| And that's the equation. | ||
| If there's going to be harmony, that's the equation that needs to change. | ||
| And people say, I'm Mexican, I'm Italian. | ||
| That's how I feel about the founding stock. | ||
| And when my ancestors came here, they assimilated. | ||
| They didn't go and live in enclaves where they only speak Italian and so on. | ||
| You learn to speak English. | ||
| They lost the accent. | ||
| They love the flag. | ||
| They fought in the war. | ||
| They gave their lives for the country. | ||
| And you just can't have that when they're coming in 10 million in four years. | ||
| Who's ever going to assimilate or love the country? | ||
| And it's like you said, who's coming here? | ||
| It's people looking to take advantage. | ||
| And those people never be loyal Americans. | ||
| So it's a lot of good observations. | ||
| It's a complicated problem. | ||
| It's not as simple as whites only, everyone out. | ||
| It's a complex problem. | ||
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It definitely is a complex issue, but I think a good example of how this could work is a nation like Bosnia. | |
| Bosnia is, although it's predominantly Muslim, it's got to be 99% white. | ||
| And when I was there, I spent, I went three times in about a month because nobody looked at me as if I was an other. | ||
| As soon as I said, salam alaikum, they said, walaikum salam. | ||
| They looked at me as if I was one of them because that always would transcend it. | ||
| Like, if you have immigration, you can't go there and break the law. | ||
| But this nation here, although it's predominantly white, what supersedes that is faith. | ||
| The reason for that... I don't know, am I cutting out? | ||
| No, you're good. | ||
| I'm good? | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| The reason for that is because you're so rare. | ||
| If a million Arabs turned up in Bosnia, the Bosnians would have a problem with that. | ||
| I personally do. | ||
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And it's not just that. | |
| The point Andrew was making earlier about an existential threat to your existence unifying countries together. | ||
| They don't see you as an existential threat, Sneko, but there are Bosnians to this day with guns hidden underground thinking that any day now the Serbs are going to roll across their border and exterminate them. | ||
| They're held together in the same way North Korea is, that Russia is, that Iran is. | ||
| I mean, you've spent some time in Bosnia. | ||
| More time than me, technically, but I have a lot of Bosnian friends. | ||
| They are held together by this existential threat of, they're going to wipe us out. | ||
| So when you're there, as a Muslim, you're not the face of what's scary to them. | ||
| But Andrew's right. | ||
| If 20,000 Arabs moved there, or 20,000 people who look like you moved there, they would see you as a threat. | ||
| Their threat, their people they're afraid of, look just like them, but worship a different god. | ||
| There also isn't many. | ||
| A lot of people think that, you know, white people or Western people are inherently racist. | ||
| They're really not. | ||
| They just get pissed off when the numbers get distorted. | ||
| I can talk from personal experience. | ||
| Let me tell you about Romania. | ||
| I moved to Romania 10 years ago. | ||
| When I moved here, there was nobody who wasn't Romanian. | ||
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Nobody. | |
| Everyone was Romanian. | ||
| And back then, they were intrigued and amazed. | ||
| In fact, they were They loved that I liked their country. | ||
| They were super welcoming. | ||
| Why did you come here? | ||
| Wow, nobody likes Romania. | ||
| I love that you love it here. | ||
| Try some food. | ||
| They were super welcoming. | ||
| Now, as time goes on, more and more people are coming here. | ||
| Romanians are starting to get racist. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I don't think they've ever been different. | ||
| They're just seeing more and more people that aren't them. | ||
| And now they're getting pissed off about it. | ||
| When it was only me, it was fine. | ||
| But when there's a whole bunch, then they get angry. | ||
| And I think that's human nature. | ||
| I don't think that these people have changed from non-racist to racist. | ||
| They just see their demographic changing. | ||
| And people are naturally unhappy with that. | ||
| I don't see why they shouldn't be. | ||
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The reason that they get that way is because the people that are coming in, you both pointed out properly, I mean, because they're coming in, they're not respecting it. | |
| They're not coming in with the idea of God. | ||
| They're not acting with godly values. | ||
| They're coming just to use the place. | ||
| And you brought up the example in Bosnia, if there were 20,000 Arabs that came in, they would feel differently. | ||
| They actually did. | ||
| During the Bosnian genocide in the early 90s, Arabs came to help fight the war against the Serbs. | ||
| So that's a good example that although Serbs and Bosnians are technically of the same ethnicity within that war, There was more unity between the Muslims there and the Arabs there. | ||
| They didn't even speak the language. | ||
| They came to fight there just because they saw that the genocide was about faith and it wasn't about ethnicity. | ||
| Yeah, but we also want to be with people that that we're similar to, you know, like when you were defending the Haitians, you were doing, I don't know, you're speaking Haitian or something, Haitian Creole or something. | ||
| And I'm sure that when you're with your parents, your extended family, you know, you have this vibe. | ||
| of like a family party and you do things the way Haitians do or Philippines do or Hungarians do or | ||
| whatever it is. In the same way that me, you know, my mom's Italian, she was in an Italian | ||
| neighborhood, all her friends are Italian. There's like Italian stuff that we do. It's like who we | ||
| are. And if I were separated from that forever, if I were in a community where it's all people | ||
| like you, no offense, I like you, you're a good guy, but you're not like me in those critical | ||
| ways. I'd be a stranger, I'd be a foreigner. The things, the way you guys do things, that's not | ||
| It's not the way I would do things. | ||
| They're unfamiliar to me. | ||
| There's something, like, heartbreaking about that. | ||
| There's something heartbreaking about being dislocated in that way. | ||
| I think that's a big reason why white people are killing themselves. | ||
| Because they're socially dislocated. | ||
| When you look at, like, all these other peoples, they have, they take immense pride in their ethnic food, celebrations, language, culture. | ||
| There's a real sense of family. | ||
| Even if they're poor, even if they're low IQ, they, they're down to party. | ||
| And they're party with all their abuelas and their cousins and all that kind of stuff. | ||
| I'm partially Mexican. | ||
| We do it too. | ||
| It's a picnic. | ||
| It's a big picnic with Mexicans. | ||
| That's what we do. | ||
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Go ahead. | |
| Nick, Jake, Andrew, Tristan. | ||
| It's about that time, man. | ||
| I gotta get to catch some Z's, but... Alright, we didn't get Myron on. | ||
| I just saw the chat asking for Myron. | ||
| Next time, let's get Myron in. | ||
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Andrew, I love you and I miss you, honey buns. | |
| And Tristan, you know it's all love, too. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Why do you make everything gay, bro? | ||
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Why can't it just be on some brother shit? | |
| Andrew, can me and Sneeko come to Romania? | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Sneeko called me a Jew, so I mean, I know he thinks Strickland can't knock him out, but he doesn't really want my smoke. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
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It wasn't Jew as an insult. | |
| It was the idea of supremacy, but I understand that. | ||
| Hey, you are a Jew. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Hey, and if you come here, I'm going to tell the cops it was all you. | |
| The human trafficking operation was all your idea. | ||
| The Jews did it! | ||
| The Jews did it! | ||
| Oh, I got to go. | ||
| The group chat's calling me now, so. | ||
| I'm a Jew. | ||
| Alright guys, so long. | ||
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Alright. | |
| Well, am I still even doing a stream? | ||
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I forgot I was on a stream. | |
| Doing my own stream. | ||
| What's up guys? | ||
| How was that? | ||
| This is the longest show ever. | ||
| I've been streaming for seven hours. | ||
| What the heck? | ||
| I thought a debate would, but it was good, but it was, I'm not complaining. | ||
| Hey, I'm not complaining, but it was good. | ||
| That was, what do you think of the stream? | ||
| Legendary show started with a monologue, epic monologue, then a debate, then epic legendary panel. | ||
| Tate brothers, Aiden Ross, Sneeko, Jake, the Asian guy whose name I forgot, me. | ||
| Epic, legendary stream. | ||
| Now people are saying Super Chats. | ||
| Fuck no. | ||
| The last thing that we need to ruin the stream is Super Chats. | ||
| We had a good stream with good segments. | ||
| Now we're going to do that? | ||
| We're going to hear about the Yankees and people calling me fat? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Kevin, they say. | ||
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Kevin's his name. | |
| All right. | ||
| Well, that's the stream. | ||
| Look, I hope you enjoyed because that's it. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| I'm tired. | ||
| If you send a Super Chat, I'll read it tomorrow. | ||
| I'm going to bed. | ||
| It's way past my bedtime. | ||
| I'm starving. | ||
| I didn't even eat anything today, other than four chicken tenders. | ||
| So, I'm going to eat my bag of Cheetos. | ||
| I'm going to eat. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe I'll just go to bed on an empty stomach, but whatever. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| But that's going to do it for me. | ||
| Epic stream. | ||
| Thanks, Aiden Ross. | ||
| Thanks, Andrew and Tristan Tate. | ||
| Sneeko, Dean, fucking bitch. | ||
| That guy was a pussy. | ||
| I like Andrew Tate called him out. | ||
| I was trying to be nice and friendly, but Andrew Tate came in, put him in his place. | ||
| That was epic. | ||
| Great stream. | ||
| A lot of fun. | ||
| If you're new here, follow me. | ||
| Follow me here on Rumble. | ||
| I'm on the air every Monday through Friday at 8 o'clock central. | ||
| I do a show. | ||
| So make sure to follow me on Rumble to get a push notification when I go live. | ||
| It's great stuff. | ||
| I think I make some pretty good points. | ||
| People were loving the stuff. | ||
| Aiden Ross's fans were loving this stuff. | ||
| The world's not ready for a mainstream groiper. | ||
| A mainstream groiping. | ||
| But that's all I got for you tonight. | ||
| So tune in tomorrow at 8 o'clock. | ||
| Smash the like button, leave a comment. | ||
| Thanks to our Super Chatters tonight. | ||
| Like I said, I'll get to these tomorrow because I'm... Look, I'm pooped. | ||
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Poop. | |
| Okay, it's over for me tonight. | ||
| But that's what, that's all we're gonna do. | ||
| Special thanks to A$AP Groyper, Slavik Lukovic, Cajun Norman, Gingerbread Groyper. | ||
| Big thank you to them. | ||
| Thanks to all our Super Chatters, everybody that watches the show, we love you. | ||
| I will see you tomorrow. | ||
| Until then, have a great rest of your evening. | ||
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Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo! | |
| It's going to be only America first. | ||
| America first. | ||
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The American people will come first once again. | |
| America First! |
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