Oct. 1, 2024 - America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes
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| ♪♪ They don't know what they are supporting. | ||
| They don't know how bad it has gotten. | ||
| They don't know what is necessary to make the difference. | ||
| They didn't hear us on Twitter. | ||
| They didn't hear us on True Social. | ||
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They just censored the hashtags. | |
| They didn't hear us when we emailed them. | ||
| And they didn't hear us when the Washington Post and every other news media outlet reported it. | ||
| For that reason, the Goyper War will continue, and we will accelerate and intensify our plans. | ||
| We have to deploy to Michigan, and we have to make it hurt as much as possible. | ||
| If he wants to stop the pain, he must stop the betrayal of America first. | ||
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He must stop the betrayal of America first. | |
| My own narrative is not one of some sudden booming bolt of lightning out of the blue. | ||
| out of the blue. | ||
| It was a slow and steady, unrelenting stream of blips and blinks, glimmers and glares, low beams and high beams of light, some of which I did not want to see. | ||
| And then finally, a point of no return reckoning. | ||
| Why are you called Mommy Malcolm? | ||
| I think it was because I fiercely came out during the Groupers wars of 2019 when so many of these | ||
| brave young men were on college campuses challenging the likes of Zio Schill, Dan Crenshaw, questioning | ||
| him about his undying loyalty and of course defending Nick Fuentes and so many of the stars | ||
| of the burgeoning America First movement who through an increasing amount of activism are | ||
| really going to ensure the future and the success of that movement. | ||
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So, so, | |
| so, so, | ||
| so, Sorry to keep you waiting, complicated business. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Which order do you want me to fight? | ||
| Which order do you want me to fight with the dice? | ||
| Which order do you want me to fight? | ||
| The order you want me to fight? | ||
| Which order do you want me to fight? | ||
| We will give a voice to all of the rightful frustrations that the Trump supporters have, whether they're willing to direct their anger at me or the campaign, and I'll let them know. | ||
| We love Trump. | ||
| I love Trump. | ||
| We all love Trump. | ||
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And if they don't make the course correction, then it's on them. | |
| Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American people. | ||
| This election will determine whether we're a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy, but are in fact controlled by a small handful of global special interests rigging the system, and our system is rigged. | ||
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This is reality. | |
| You know it. | ||
| They know it. | ||
| I know it. | ||
| And pretty much the whole world knows it. | ||
| This is not the Trump campaign from 2016. | ||
| It's worse. | ||
| I see this stuff and I have to wonder, why has nobody been fired? | ||
| Isn't that Trump's trademark? | ||
| That if results aren't happening that people are, you're fired? | ||
| Isn't that the whole trademark? | ||
| Someone needs to be fired. | ||
| It happened back in 2016. | ||
| He went through campaign managers and advisors all the time. | ||
| And it was good. | ||
| It kept things fresh. | ||
| It kept things competitive. | ||
| It was interesting. | ||
| Fire Chris LaCivita. | ||
| Fire Susie Wiles. | ||
| Get new campaign managers. | ||
| Fix this campaign before it's too late. | ||
| Before we blow it again. | ||
| We want Trump to win. | ||
| We want America first. | ||
| But you are letting us down. | ||
| You're blowing it. | ||
| This is the biggest missed opportunity in history. | ||
| You're blowing it for Trump. | ||
| You're blowing it for us. | ||
| And we're not going to let it happen. | ||
| You have alienated us. | ||
| You have ignored us. | ||
| You don't listen to our concerns. | ||
| We have been left behind. | ||
| The Trump movement and the GOP have moved on without us. | ||
| It serves Israel and corporations and immigrants, but it doesn't serve Native Americans. | ||
| What about Native Americans? | ||
| I don't want to hear any more about communism. | ||
| I don't want to hear any more about Vance. | ||
| I don't want to hear about whatever. | ||
| And the message is simple. | ||
| America first. | ||
| Native Americans. | ||
| America only. | ||
| No Israel. | ||
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No corporations. | |
| No foreign influence. | ||
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No foreigners. | |
| No immigrants. | ||
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None of that. | |
| Just America. | ||
| America first. | ||
| And Christ the King. | ||
| So this is a call to all Christians, immigration restrictionists, foreign policy non-interventionists, trade protectionists, those in favor of industrial policy, patriots, nativists, nationalists, non-interventionists, traditionalists, that are not happy with the State of the Trump campaign, you are being recruited. | ||
| Trump is a peaceful man. | ||
| We're declaring war on the evil Trump campaign. | ||
| He needs to be liberated. | ||
| We will liberate him. | ||
| We will make him independent from his donors. | ||
| We will make him independent from Silicon Valley. | ||
| We will make him independent from foreign influence. | ||
| Otherwise, and if we don't succeed, there's no hope. | ||
| You're done. | ||
| If we don't succeed, if this doesn't work, there's no hope. | ||
| You either get Kamala, and it's total left-wing oppression, it's total bullshit, BLM nonsense, or if you get Trump, it's gonna be total Zionist corporate domination. | ||
| So if we don't succeed, it's over. | ||
| You need to get involved in this, or, honestly, just quit. | ||
| In 2024, we are going to fight the hostile takeover. | ||
| It's a different battle. | ||
| But it's the same war. | ||
| We're going to fight and save Trump from his own people. | ||
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The more that a broken system tells you that you're wrong, the more certain you should | |
| be that you must keep pushing ahead. | ||
| urgently. | ||
| Because it's the outsiders who change the world and who make a real and lasting difference. | ||
| Nothing worth doing ever came easy. | ||
| Treat the word impossible as nothing more than motivation. | ||
| The future belongs to the people who follow their heart no matter what the critics say. | ||
| We must always remember that we share one home and one glorious destiny. | ||
| We all bleed the same red blood of patriots. | ||
| We all salute the same great American flag. | ||
| Our best days are yet to come. | ||
| I am officially running for President of the United States. | ||
| We need a leader. | ||
| I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created. | ||
| It can be wonderful if you have smart people. | ||
| But we have people that are stupid. | ||
| The American dream is dead. | ||
| But if I get elected president, I will bring it back. | ||
| Bigger and better and stronger than ever before. | ||
| We want out! We want out! | ||
| The American dream. | ||
| And we will make America great again. | ||
| We want out! We want out! | ||
| And nobody builds walls better than me, believe me. | ||
| Bigger and better and stronger than ever before. | ||
| And we will make America great again. | ||
| Thank you. Thank you very much. | ||
| And we will make America great again. | ||
| America great again. | ||
| And we will make America great again. | ||
| I stop playing games. | ||
| And at any moment, I could hit that YAY button. | ||
| They said, just let me I'm a young lady | ||
| They bossing it down I'm a big tree | ||
| With girls in the tunnel My mama said, just don't hold you so close | ||
| I'm acting one too Stop the track | ||
| I'm just another person, extra See Ricky said, good buddy | ||
| Don't wanna fool you If you wanna pull through, get a one on | ||
| Okay, let's rock on Team Dakota, sack your bros | ||
| Don't have your back, we're the plotters It's too much to pay, we're homies now | ||
| We still be close to 20 10 on 10, but they're in above your head | ||
| Pray before you go, sub in Everything my bros do | ||
| I just enforce them, all that No, they are no more than the grandpas | ||
| They say, we're perfect That means nothing to this stuff | ||
| Not my words, not my rules I just enforce them, alright | ||
| They bossing it down I'm a big tree | ||
| With girls in the tunnel My mama said, just don't hold you so close | ||
| I'm acting one too Stop the track | ||
| I'm just another person, extra See Ricky said, good buddy | ||
| Don't wanna fool you If you wanna pull through, get a one on | ||
| Okay, let's rock on Warming up everybody | ||
| Warming up everybody Ready to shit on me | ||
| Been working days way before this dog drink dose Got a city when I was just a chick | ||
| With the all black fatty dicky with the way the fake dose You think y'all wasn't with the shit | ||
| Yeah, you think you tight You're like, damn, I said | ||
| You think you can fuck on a shorty's back Only got jewels way before they drop shadow | ||
| That's where it broke it, that's where it broke it The way it does the shit, the way it does the shit | ||
| Those dogs, they still hauntin' Yeah, they still hauntin' | ||
| America first, bitch They say pussy don't mean shit | ||
| I be saying, I be mean No pain, boys, you gotta be | ||
| I take pain from girls, you gotta be I wanna say, just don't hold shit back | ||
| They say pussy don't mean shit I be saying, no pain, boys, you gotta be | ||
| I take pain from girls, you gotta be I wanna say, just don't hold shit back | ||
| This is from your biggest Protestant fan May you one day see the light. | ||
| Well, hey, thanks. | ||
| Love you, too. | ||
| But I'm sorry. | ||
| I believe in a religion that makes sense, so... Napoleon, Alexander the Great, Donald Trump were all cut from the same cloth. | ||
| And that cloth is very, very large. | ||
| It's not too big, is it? | ||
| It's wrong, isn't it? | ||
| It feels so right. | ||
| It's a deal. | ||
| It's wrong, isn't it? | ||
| It feels so right. | ||
| It's a deal. | ||
| I put together some really impressive deals. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Go big or go home. | ||
| Donald Trump. | ||
| You know, you're really beautiful. | ||
| A woman who looks like that has to have a little special set. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Hey, Donald. | ||
| You look great. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I'm told that it's a Swiss one. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| That's a secret. | ||
| Are you begging her? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Are you? | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
| Just that. I'm calling police. | ||
| Look at this! Right here on this street! | ||
| It's Donald Trump! | ||
| There he was! | ||
| Donald Trump! | ||
| Donald Trump is here! | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| Everything's set for tonight, Mr. Trump. | ||
| I wonder what Trump's game is this time. | ||
| Trump's got a new day! | ||
| Any day, Trump's got a new deal. | ||
| What's your game, Donald? | ||
| Heard about Trump's new deal? | ||
| Trump has a new game. What is it? | ||
| No contentions, Mr. Trump! | ||
| My new game is Trump the game. | ||
| Trump the game. | ||
| This sounds like political presidential talk. | ||
| You've said, though, that if you did run for president, you believe you'd win. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I would say that I would have a hell of a chance of winning. | ||
| I'd never go on to lose. | ||
| I've never gone on to lose in my life. | ||
| I don't know how your audience feels, but I think people are tired of seeing the United States ripped off. | ||
| There's the guy inside, right? | ||
| I'm not going to tell you. | ||
| Okay, kids, make it fast. | ||
| I've got a play for you. | ||
| Jimmy Creek magazine. | ||
| Mr. Trump, you can do it. | ||
| Scalp jeans. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Where's the money? | ||
| Down the hall. | ||
| Your male modeling would be what it is today. | ||
| Hello, Donald. | ||
| You're a big problem, baby. I need your money. | ||
| I think she was just about to fight before the fact. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You've got to be losing money on this. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Dare I say it? | ||
| Dare I say it? | ||
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I am declaring a new DROYPER war against the Trump campaign until we can figure out what | |
| the hell is going on. | ||
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Pray on our enemies when we die. | |
| We just hope the feds take a breath. | ||
| Only one gonna walk away when we collide. | ||
| Oh I will fight for you with every breath in my body, and I will never, ever let you down. | ||
| A new Troyper war. | ||
| Yeah, nigga, this war, nigga, this war. | ||
| I'm taking bodies on the floor. | ||
| I'm with it all. | ||
| I talk to my demons, and I see the writings on the wall. | ||
| Niggas is dying on the show. | ||
| I get excited for them punks. | ||
| And Noah ain't crying when he go. | ||
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Cause Brody was fighting for the clothes. | |
| They don't know what they are supporting. | ||
| They don't know how bad it has gotten. | ||
| They don't know what is necessary to make the difference. | ||
| They didn't hear us on Twitter. | ||
| They didn't hear us on True Social. | ||
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They just censored the hashtags. | |
| They didn't hear us when we emailed them. | ||
| And they didn't hear us when the Washington Post and every other news media outlet reported it. | ||
| For that reason, the Goyper War will continue. | ||
| And we will accelerate and intensify our plans. | ||
| We have to deploy to Michigan, and we have to make it hurt as much as possible. | ||
| If he wants to stop the pain, he must stop the betrayal of America first. | ||
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He must stop the betrayal of America first. | |
| We are going to do things to you that have never been done before. | ||
| Don't sit yet. | ||
| I feel like this. | ||
| We ain't love, we're just wasting. | ||
| Wasting our money, trying to save our face. | ||
| Wasting our hair, we're on a love-list. | ||
| Wasting our face, no one's time for our fists. | ||
| Wasting our teeth, we ain't love, we're just wasting. | ||
| Wasting our money, trying to save our face. | ||
| Wasting our hair, we're on a love-list. | ||
| Wasting our face, no one's time for our fists. | ||
| Wasting our teeth, we ain't love, we're just wasting. | ||
| Wasting our hair, we're on a love-list. | ||
| Wasting our face, no one's time for our fists. | ||
| Damn, why should we care? | ||
| Socialists, globalists, Marxists, and communists who are | ||
| attacking our civilization have no idea | ||
| of the sleeping giant they have awoken. | ||
| They have awoken They cannot even begin to imagine the brave and righteous spirit they've unleashed in men and women. | ||
| But they're going to find out the hard way. | ||
| They will find out like never before. | ||
| This nation belongs to you. | ||
| Belongs to you. | ||
| It's not your time. | ||
| It was patriots like you that built this country. | ||
| And it's patriots like you that are going to save our country. | ||
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To all of those who think that they can coerce and subjugate the citizens of this land, hear these words. | |
| For me tonight, the people of America will not surrender our borders. | ||
| We will not surrender our culture. | ||
| We will not surrender our faith. | ||
| We will not surrender our values. | ||
| We will not surrender our history. | ||
| We will not surrender our liberty. | ||
| And above all, we will not surrender our children. | ||
| We are done with their distorted visions for America. | ||
| It's time to start talking about greatness for our country again. | ||
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We want our country to be great again. | |
| We want our country to be respected. | ||
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I don't want to see any love or affection. | |
| What's the point of being so selfish? | ||
| What's the point of being a good man without a kiss? | ||
| What's the point of always going down for a kiss? | ||
| The time for action has come. | ||
| As long as we are led by politicians who will not put America first, | ||
| then we can be assured that other nations will not treat America with respect, | ||
| the respect that we deserve. | ||
| When you're failing to create love. | ||
| This is the worst hit comes when you drop style. | ||
| This is the worst hit comes when you rock bottom. | ||
| This is the worst hit, the worst hit, the one time you gotta... | ||
| This is the worst hit comes when you drop style. | ||
| This is the worst hit comes when you rock bottom. | ||
| This is the worst hit comes when you drop style. | ||
| This is the worst hit comes when you rock bottom. | ||
| Chris La Savida. | ||
| Senior advisors Chris La Savida and Susie Wiles should be terminated immediately. | ||
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What you gonna do? | |
| Oh Oh | ||
| Oh Oh | ||
| Oh Uh, let me ask you about Project 2025. | ||
| Um... Never heard of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're a pain in the ass. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| By nature, political consultants, we want to control everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, we just, we want to control everything, including the candidate. | ||
| Yeah. Where is our bulldog from 2016? | ||
| you These interests have rigged our political and economic system for their exclusive benefit, because they have total control. | ||
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They pull the strings. | |
| My message is that things have to change, and they have to change right now. | ||
| If you miss this version of Trump, you have his campaign managers Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles to blame. | ||
| La Civita was found liking posts on Twitter advocating for the 25th Amendment to be invoked and to remove Trump from office on January 6th. | ||
| And Wiles wants Trump to abandon his loyal base in order to pander to minorities who won't turn out to vote for him regardless. | ||
| Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles are responsible for Trump's drastic change in rhetoric and his failure in the polls. | ||
| If you want Trump to win, he must fire these disloyal saboteurs. | ||
| Use the hashtags firelessavida and firewiles to save Trump from these swamp creatures. | ||
| Thanks for watching. | ||
| Bye. | ||
| Creeper War 2, Creeper War 2 Your campaign sucks, yeah we're coming for you Creeper War 2, Creeper War 2 Trump's campaign sucks, the Creeper's coming for you Yo, yo, all you bitches on the campaign. | ||
| Trump about to lose to an Indian with coconuts and you think this a joke? | ||
| Trump just got shot in the ear and you are losing to a cackling thugly woman who speaks in ebonics when she is around minorities. | ||
| Yo, yo, Donald Trump, how pathetic can you be? | ||
| You fired people for a living and now you sound like a bitch. | ||
| You used to be the mean God and now you sound like a bitch. | ||
| You are losing this campaign because you staffed it with a bunch of gays. | ||
| Who the hell is running your shit? | ||
| Whoever it is needs to be fired on national TV. | ||
| You look like a straight up bitch and you are not gonna win if you don't fire people in front of the entire world | ||
| You are gonna be sent to prison you dumbass, don't you understand? | ||
| Our country is falling apart and you letting Indian women cast spells on the entire party and blaspheme our lord? | ||
| Bro Trump, you better get it right or these coconuts are going to be placed on your forehead at night | ||
| Like a sweaty salty grape or ball sack Do you smell that? It is the smell of curry and coconuts | ||
| Yeah, that's the smell of your defeat. | ||
| You will forever be known as the loser that lost to an A.D.I.Q. | ||
| Indian woman. | ||
| Your entire legacy will go down the toilet if you do not fire your campaign staffers on national television. | ||
| J.D. | ||
| Vance, what kind of decision was that? | ||
| Fire his ass. | ||
| What the hell are you thinking? | ||
| Coconuts, Donald! | ||
| You are going to be force fed curry and coconuts in prison If you don't fire all of your campaign staffers | ||
| Because you are losing this election You need to get it right, call Nick Fuentes and the rapper | ||
| formerly known as Kanye West You idiot | ||
| Graper War 2, Graper War 2, Trump's campaign sucks, the Graper's coming for you | ||
| Yo, yo, yo, you used to be a badass But now you sound like shit and you straight up look like | ||
| ass Who the hell is running your campaign, Donald? Did you | ||
| change your mind on DEA? | ||
| You would have better luck hiring a random guy from one of your rallies | ||
| At least you know that he would rather die and see you look like shit on national television | ||
| Right now your campaign staffers are intentionally making you look like shit | ||
| And when you lose, America is going to smell like curry and coconuts and you will be in prison | ||
| But hey, maybe they'll send you to Guantanamo Bay And you will never have to deal with the country that you | ||
| let go to shit But we will, so what the fuck, dude? | ||
| We have to live in this shithole after you lose, so how about you fire these idiots and hire us? | ||
| You've got nothing to lose, except your freedom and your empire and your family and your legacy. | ||
| Yeah you have a lot to lose, idiots so fire their asses and heart the fuck up dude | ||
| Dude Grape reward 2 | ||
| Grape reward 2 Your campaign sucks, yeah we're coming for you | ||
| Grape reward 2 Grape reward 2 | ||
| Your campaign sucks, yeah we're coming for you Me and the boycotters will save the Trump campaign. | ||
| We will give a voice to all of the rightful frustrations that the Trump supporters have, whether they're willing to direct their anger at me or the campaign, and I'll let them know. | ||
| We love Trump. | ||
| I love Trump. | ||
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We all love Trump. | |
| And if they don't make the chorus collection, then it's on them. | ||
| So sorry, I didn't mean to. | ||
| Hey, I was looking at you. | ||
| So hide your face. | ||
| We are going to make our country great again. | ||
| I'm going to make my country great again. | ||
| Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo! | ||
| It's going to be only America first. | ||
| America first. | ||
| The American people will come first once again. | ||
| With respect, the respect that we deserve. | ||
| From this day forward, it's going to be only America first. | ||
| America first! | ||
| AVAILABLE NOW! | ||
| you you | ||
| good evening everybody You are watching America First. | ||
| My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes. | ||
| We have a great show for you tonight. | ||
| Very excited to be back here with you tonight on Tuesday. | ||
| Tonight we're going to be covering the vice presidential debate. | ||
| First and only vice presidential debate. | ||
| Last debate. | ||
| Before the election, that's it. | ||
| No other presidential debates, no other debates at all. | ||
| So this is it. | ||
| Tonight's the big night. | ||
| J.D. | ||
| Vance, Senator from Ohio versus Tim Walz, Governor of Minnesota. | ||
| It's 90 minutes, starts in about a half hour. | ||
| Honestly, it's gonna suck. | ||
| It'll be good content. | ||
| It's gonna be fun to watch. | ||
| I'm excited to watch the debate. | ||
| But I'm not really rooting for either of them. | ||
| I don't like either of them. | ||
| Tim Walz is flamboyant and libtard. | ||
| J.D. | ||
| Vance is married to an Indian wife and fat and totally infiltrated by Israel. | ||
| So we're really just covering it as objective, unbiased spectators. | ||
| It's going to be a good night. | ||
| I'm excited to be here. | ||
| And like I said, the debate will be starting in about a half hour. | ||
| Betting markets say that J.D. | ||
| Vance is going to lose. | ||
| Not by much. | ||
| But right now on Polly Market, Tim Walz is the favorite to be the victor. | ||
| They say in the press, though, that Tim Walz is nervous. | ||
| Allegedly, the first thing he said to Kamala Harris when he was chosen is that he's a bad debater. | ||
| And he trained with Pete Buttigieg, who stood in for Vance in his prep. | ||
| We don't actually have any information about Vance's prep. | ||
| And I don't know, I think it's gonna be a mixed bag. | ||
| I mean, it could be really good, it could be really bad. | ||
| Vance went to Yale, seems like a smart guy. | ||
| He's got media training. | ||
| At the same time, he's a total freak. | ||
| Total weirdo. | ||
| So I feel like it could go either way. | ||
| He could come off really weird and trip up, or he could be very effective because he's got that same kind of Pete Buttigieg. | ||
| It's sort of ironic. | ||
| He has the same kind of thing going on there. | ||
| Ivy League, educated, ambitious, wanted to be president since he was eight years old, probably closeted gay thing. | ||
| So maybe he'll be very good. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But it's going to be exciting. | ||
| We're going to watch. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| Of course, there was also some major news earlier today in the afternoon. | ||
| And we'll talk a little bit about that now, and then probably we'll cover it on the show extensively tomorrow. | ||
| But the day has finally arrived. | ||
| First of the month, Iran struck Israel this afternoon with Some say 180, some say over 400 ballistic missiles. | ||
| In several waves, Iran retaliated against Israel for the assassinations of IRGC General, as well as the leader of Hamas and the leader of Hezbollah. | ||
| It was a long time coming. | ||
| Many people believed it was never going to happen. | ||
| But it finally came today. | ||
| We don't know the extent of the damage because there is military censorship in place in Israel and at all Israeli media stations. | ||
| So we don't actually know if anyone was killed or the extent of the damage on infrastructure. | ||
| But it was far more significant and although it came late, it came with much less of a warning than Iran's retaliatory strikes in April. | ||
| And thus represents a major escalation. | ||
| And this comes just a day after Israel began its incursion into Lebanon yesterday, which we covered on the show. | ||
| Another thing that was a long time coming. | ||
| And so after the strikes, now we're looking at an open invitation for Israel to retaliate against Iran, most likely with major airstrikes, potentially on their nuclear facilities, maybe on their oil and gas facilities. | ||
| We don't know what the targets will be and the timeline yet, but the Israeli war cabinet has resolved to retaliate against Iran, and not only Iran, but apparently throughout the entire Middle East. | ||
| Potentially they will be conducting extensive strikes, I would imagine, in Syria, Lebanon, potentially Iraq, and Yemen as well. | ||
| Initially they said that would happen tonight, although it doesn't seem like that is the case, unless it happens in the coming hours. | ||
| Israel modified their position, they said it will happen at a time of their choosing, and the United States National Security Council spokesperson has said that the United States stands behind Israel in their retaliation strike. | ||
| So we'll be waiting to see what happens this week. | ||
| I imagine it's going to come sooner rather than later, but this was the endgame from the beginning. | ||
| That is direct, open hostilities between Iran and Israel. | ||
| And it's always been relatively openly hostile. | ||
| But a direct military engagement between the two. | ||
| It's something that actually decisively favors Israel. | ||
| Israel has an air force that is capable of striking deep into Iran, a capability that Iran does not have. | ||
| Iran has the capability to launch missiles at Israel, long-range missiles. | ||
| But that is tempered by the fact that Israel has a number of anti-missile defensive systems, like the Arrow 3, David's Sling, and Iron Dome, which can shoot down different types of rockets and missiles. | ||
| So a direct military engagement between Iran and Israel is something that Iran is sought to avoid because of the asymmetry in capabilities, and rather they have preferred to rely on their proxies Specifically Hezbollah. | ||
| But now that Israel has decimated the leadership of Hezbollah and their communications network, and is now conducting major airstrikes on their capital in the suburbs of Beirut and Tehran, Hezbollah is disabled and not able to effectively counter or act as Iran's forward operating base. | ||
| So these are the dynamics of the current conflict. | ||
| Like I said, this has always been the goal, probably since October 7th of last year. | ||
| It has been slowly and gradually unfolding and unraveling, first with the engagement in Gaza, then with the escalating tensions in the north, provocations against Iran across the Middle East, and now we finally arrived at the endgame, which is Most likely annexation of Gaza, decimation of Hezbollah, and a decisive strike on Iran that will devastate their economy and their nuclear facilities, which would be a major strategic blow. | ||
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| I literally predicted it. | ||
| I said it yesterday, and I know I say it like every night now, but it's like, bro, if you have been watching my show over the past year, I have predicted all of the, literally every step of the way for a year. | ||
| I said, they're going to go into Lebanon. | ||
| They went into Lebanon. | ||
| I said, they're going to annex Gaza. | ||
| Guess what they just put out last week? | ||
| A plan to annex North Gaza. | ||
| I said they're goading Iran to attack them. | ||
| It's a no-win scenario where eventually the Iranian people will demand intervention. | ||
| Iran will do it, spring the trap, and then Israel will be justified in retaliating against Iran's strategic infrastructure, specifically oil and gas. | ||
| More importantly, the nuclear complex. | ||
| And it's all played out in the past two weeks. | ||
| It went from zero to 100. | ||
| And if you read the headlines, you'd still be thinking there was a ceasefire deal forthcoming any day now, an agreement with Hamas, something like that. | ||
| But if you've been watching this show, we've been doomsaying and predicting this wider regional conflict from the very start. | ||
| For all of those reasons, it was clear to see from the beginning. | ||
| And today we have it. | ||
| So last night I said there were a few schools of thought on how Iran has approached this problem. | ||
| I said from the beginning, some say that Iran should have hit Israel at the start. | ||
| Before August, before April, but from the very beginning. | ||
| And some say that Iran should have retaliated in August. | ||
| That much is a certainty. | ||
| Nearly a certainty. | ||
| But now Iran has responded probably too late. | ||
| To give my analysis of the situation, I've described what has happened. | ||
| Yeah, we all knew it. | ||
| If you've been watching the show, it's like it's, ironically, it's almost like it's old news. | ||
| If you've been watching my show, this is like old news. | ||
| Oh, Israel goaded Iran to attack them and now they get to strike a decisive strategic blow against Iran. | ||
| We've literally been talking about it for a year, but it just happened. | ||
| Now here's the problem. | ||
| So Iran's conservative president mysteriously died in a helicopter crash earlier this year. | ||
| Ebrahim Raisi, who was recently elected, died earlier this year in a helicopter crash. | ||
| They held elections and a moderate reformist was elected. | ||
| And this guy has emphasized strategic patience in the conflict. | ||
| He was only elected in August, but the people are angry because they believe that by not responding after his inauguration in August to the assassination of the leader of Hamas in Tehran, that it was major weakness and a strategic blunder. | ||
| And it's probably true. | ||
| And the Israelis took advantage of that. | ||
| And shattering deterrence, the Israelis were able to then go into Hezbollah, do their cyber attack, their aerial bombardment, their assassinations because of the precedent established in August when Israel was able to assassinate the Hezbollah commander in Lebanon and the leader of Hamas in Iran with no counterattack. | ||
| Now, the time for a retaliation would have been in August or September. | ||
| Here's the problem. | ||
| This new president, this moderate president, waited all this time. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| He waited until after Israel decimated Hezbollah. | ||
| Iran waited to retaliate until after Hezbollah was effectively disabled over the past two weeks. | ||
| So the leader of Hamas was assassinated in Iran in the beginning of August. | ||
| One of the commanders, one of the senior advisors of Hezbollah was assassinated in Lebanon the day before in the beginning of August. | ||
| Now the precedent established in April When Israel assassinated seven IRGC commanders at a consulate building in Damascus, Syria, was that Iran retaliated with 300 drones and missiles. | ||
| And what was established effectively was deterrence. | ||
| If Israel conducts assassinations in foreign capitals in violation of national sovereignty, then they will be attacked. | ||
| And it was a broad-spectrum defense which prevented any of the drones or missiles from hitting their targets. | ||
| It was Egypt, Jordan, the United States, France, Britain, and Israel itself. | ||
| They all mounted a defensive Israel. | ||
| They shot down all the drones and missiles in April. | ||
| But in August, Iran did not counterattack. | ||
| They cucked. | ||
| They chickened out. | ||
| The United States moved in, they deployed two dozen warships, two carrier strike groups to deter Iran from retaliating, and Iran blinked first. | ||
| They buckled. | ||
| Iran was going to reply. | ||
| Iran said, we are going to cross red lines. | ||
| We are going to strike back swiftly. | ||
| We don't care if we instigate a war. | ||
| We're going in. | ||
| They threatened it. | ||
| They said it would happen. | ||
| They said a red line was crossed. | ||
| And so they would reply strongly. | ||
| The United States sent in an unprecedented number of military assets to prevent this from happening, to check Iran's power, and Iran blinked. | ||
| They backed down. | ||
| And the message was sent that Israel can kill anyone, anywhere, and they will not pay a price. | ||
| So what did Israel do? | ||
| Over the past two weeks, they have destroyed Hezbollah. | ||
| The pager attacks and the radio attacks maimed thousands of Hezbollah civilian officers, overwhelmed the hospitals. | ||
| And took down Hezbollah's communications network. | ||
| Then Israel began an aerial bombardment. | ||
| Thousands of airstrikes in two weeks. | ||
| Major escalation since the start of this current conflict after October 7th. | ||
| Then, over the course of the last two weeks, Israel killed all of Hezbollah's senior leadership, including their over 30-year General Secretary, Hassan Nasrallah. | ||
| Last night, Israel began the invasion of Lebanon with engineers and intelligence to gather intelligence about Hezbollah's fortifications, tunnels, and infrastructure on Israel's northern border. | ||
| Now here's the problem. | ||
| It is in this circumstance Today that Iran finally decided to reply, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards say that the retaliation was specifically in response to the killing of Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas, Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, and an IRGC general who was killed in the past week. | ||
| The problem is this. | ||
| If you look in a map of the Middle East, Iran does not border Israel. | ||
| Iran is far from Israel. | ||
| The issue is that there's only a certain number of Iran's missile arsenal that can even reach Israel. | ||
| Iran has thousands of missiles. | ||
| They have ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, they have suicide drones. | ||
| But it's a small number of expensive missiles that can even reach Israel. | ||
| That's really the only way they can touch Israel. | ||
| They can't invade Israel because they don't share a border. | ||
| They can't strike Israel with their air force because their air force is very old and does not have the capability, it doesn't have the range to even reach Israel. | ||
| So they cannot strike on Israeli territory with fighter jets or bombers or anything like that. | ||
| All they have are the missiles. | ||
| And the missiles, like I said, many of them can be shot down by Jordanian-American-Israeli defense systems. | ||
| And the ones that can reach Israel, they're in limited supply. | ||
| It's arguable how much damage they can really do. | ||
| What Iran relies upon to keep Israel in check, the way that they're able to touch Israel is with Hezbollah. | ||
| Because Hezbollah is situated on Israel's border. | ||
| Hezbollah has a hundred thousand fighters. | ||
| It's a real fighting force. | ||
| And Israel historically cannot effectively fight Hezbollah because Hezbollah is a guerrilla army and they do employ professional tactics. | ||
| They can hold defensive positions and Israel has not been able successfully to fight Hezbollah in their 20-year occupation of South Lebanon or in their most recent war in 2006. | ||
| What's more, Hezbollah is able to touch Israel with much shorter range rockets. | ||
| Cheaper, shorter range rockets that don't require big delivery systems that are stationary that can be hit by Israeli airstrikes. | ||
| The rockets that Hezbollah is launching into Israel are very mobile and they're launching them from heavily forested Hilly areas that are not easily targeted by dumb bombs or these imprecise munitions used by Israel or their air force. | ||
| So Iran relies heavily upon Hezbollah to check and deter Israel and to touch Israel, because Israel cannot effectively fight Hezbollah, cannot effectively mount offensives, and even their airstrikes and missile strikes are not totally effective against these mobile rocket systems, short-range rocket systems that Hezbollah employs. | ||
| So here's the problem, which may be apparent. | ||
| Iran waited to hit Israel from its territory with its, again, decisively inferior capabilities, after Hezbollah, which they rely upon totally, was basically disabled. | ||
| Iran waited for Hezbollah's leadership to be killed, its communication system to go down, for thousands of airstrikes to occur, for Israel to begin the invasion, Before they replied. | ||
| Now, Iran could have hit Israel at the beginning of the war. | ||
| And they could have hit Israel in April. | ||
| And they could have hit Israel in August if they moved quickly and decisively. | ||
| And Israel would have been restrained in their response because of the deterrent threat of Hezbollah on its northern border. | ||
| But now that Iran has waited until the day after Israel has decimated Hezbollah's leadership, infrastructure, communications, its headquarters in Dahiya, the suburb of Beirut, now Israel's completely unrestrained in their response. | ||
| And so now they're openly talking about attacking Iran's oil and gas facilities, | ||
| which accounts for 70% of Iran's government revenue. | ||
| They're talking about destroying an island that Iran uses to export all of its oil. | ||
| 90% of its oil comes out of one small island where they have a long port. | ||
| Because the Persian Gulf is very shallow, they need to do it on a port, on a small island off the coast. | ||
| So they're talking about destroying the oil and gas. | ||
| Again, which Iran, its economy relies upon totally. | ||
| And they're talking about bombing Iran's nuclear facilities. | ||
| And you've got American neocons, pro-Israel, Zionist Americans, as well as Israelis saying this is the time for a decisive strike. | ||
| The former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, who's also former IDF, he was the Prime Minister several years ago, He said that Israel should use this as the opportunity to strike a decisive blow against Iran, specifically its nuclear complex and its oil and gas facilities, which would effectively neuter Iran strategically and destroy its economy and probably ultimately produce regime change. | ||
| And Israel is emboldened to do this and probably capable of doing this if they chose Because they are completely unbound and unchecked by Hezbollah in the north, which they destroyed and which they were able to destroy because Iran did not retaliate back in August when Israel was testing the waters with these provocative strikes. | ||
| So it all goes back to the failure to respond, the failure to maintain and uphold deterrence. | ||
| And now they're cooked! | ||
| And it's like I said last night. | ||
| After the bombardment of Hezbollah and the assassination of Nasrallah, which have taken place in the past two weeks, Iran has been put in a completely unwinnable situation. | ||
| Because if they retaliate, they're in the predicament that they are in now. | ||
| They are defenseless. | ||
| They are vulnerable. | ||
| Israel can bomb them and not worry about a retaliation from Hezbollah. | ||
| The Houthis don't have capability. | ||
| The militia in Iraq does not have a real capability to inflict damage on Israel. | ||
| Israel is totally free and totally unrestrained and able to hit Iran as hard as they choose. | ||
| And many of the hardliners in the war cabinet are saying that's exactly what they should do. | ||
| So Iran, the dilemma they face is they're screwed if they attack, which they did. | ||
| But if Iran had not attacked today, maybe the government would have been overthrown. | ||
| Because the Iranian people watching the Iranian government get humiliated, and get attacked, and to watch Nasrallah be killed, and watch Hezbollah get slaughtered, On behalf of Iran, while Iran does nothing, was creating widespread dissatisfaction. | ||
| And could have even caused a military coup or some other such situation in the country. | ||
| But it was catastrophic either way. | ||
| They were damned if they do, damned if they don't. | ||
| And now we await Israel's response. | ||
| But it could be significant. | ||
| And the thing to watch for is, Whether Israel hits Iran directly, which they almost certainly will, and it would be notable because Israel has so far refrained from attacking Iran. | ||
| Israel attacked Iran's consulate in Syria back in April, and when Iran struck Israel from Iran, Israel did not hit Iran back. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| And in August, Israel attacked Hezbollah in Lebanon and they did a terrorist attack with their intelligence forces inside Tehran, but it wasn't an aerial bombardment. | ||
| They didn't do an airstrike. | ||
| It wasn't a missile strike. | ||
| It was Israeli intelligence planted a bomb in an IRGC compound and they detonated it remotely. | ||
| So technically, Israel has not directly struck Iran, not with jets, not with missiles. | ||
| And so the question of Israel's response is, will they hit Iran from Israel with air power, with a bold aerial campaign, which would require them to either stealthily go through Syrian airspace or to go over Iraqi airspace. | ||
| It would be long-range, may require refueling in midair. | ||
| It would be a very sophisticated aerial operation. | ||
| Maybe with missiles from their Dolphin-class submarines. | ||
| Maybe ground-based missiles. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| But the question is, will they hit Iran directly? | ||
| I think the answer is almost certainly yes. | ||
| The question is then, what targets will they choose? | ||
| Iran does not have defensive systems to protect them from an airstrike in the way that Israel does. | ||
| So Israel will strike hard and with precision, and they will destroy infrastructure. | ||
| Will they target Iran's oil and gas facilities and cripple their economy, which relies, again, 70% of their government's revenue comes from the sale of oil. | ||
| 90% of it comes through one island in the Persian Gulf. | ||
| Will they hit the island? | ||
| Will they hit the refineries on Iran's southwestern coast? | ||
| Or will Israel go for the nuclear facilities? | ||
| The nuclear facilities, many of them are deep underground, inside of mountains, that would require major conventional ordnance, like the kind that they're dropping, the bunker-busting bombs they're dropping in the suburbs of Beirut. | ||
| So will they target the nuclear facilities and disable Iran's nuclear program permanently, or for years, potentially? | ||
| And then the question is, will they hit other targets? | ||
| Will they hit Iranian-backed militias in Iraq, Syria, Yemen? | ||
| Of course, they're continuing their bombardment of Hezbollah in Lebanon. | ||
| So we're really just watching and waiting to see what the scope of Israel's reprisal will be. | ||
| And Iran has threatened that if Israel replies that Iran will retaliate against Israel. | ||
| So we're going to enter into a pattern in the same way that there was a low boil exchange of fire between Hezbollah and Israel over the border with Lebanon. | ||
| We may be entering something similar between Israel and Iran. | ||
| Israel will retaliate. | ||
| Maybe Iran will retaliate again against Israel. | ||
| I imagine Israel will then retaliate against Iran again. | ||
| And I believe Israel can control the escalation because Israel has superior air power. | ||
| But we're in uncharted territory. | ||
| The first time that Iran ever struck Israel directly was in April. | ||
| It is now October. | ||
| And it's only the second time in history since the Islamic Revolution that this has occurred. | ||
| So we will see what happens. | ||
| We're going to be watching it very closely. | ||
| I imagine we won't have to wait long. | ||
| It could be tomorrow. | ||
| It could be in a few days. | ||
| I imagine before the end of the week, for sure. | ||
| But that's where we are with Israel and Iran. | ||
| Like I said, we're going to cover that more tomorrow. | ||
| I just kind of gave a brief overview, basic reaction. | ||
| Tonight, obviously, we have the vice presidential debate, if you're just joining us. | ||
| Vice presidential debate begins in five minutes. | ||
| So we're going to shift gears a little bit. | ||
| If you want to hear more about the imminent war with Iran, tune into my show tomorrow. | ||
| If you're just joining us, we have a bigger audience tonight. | ||
| Normally I do a show every night, 8 o'clock central. | ||
| Every weeknight, Monday through Friday tomorrow, I'll be covering the Iran war. | ||
| So if you want more in-depth coverage of that, I'll be covering it tomorrow. | ||
| We're going to shift gears. | ||
| Vice presidential debate is five minutes out. | ||
| I want to get a quick prediction. | ||
| Who does the chat think is going to win the debate? | ||
| Press 1 for Vance, 2 for Walls. | ||
| I want to get a poll. | ||
| We'll take a poll at the beginning. | ||
| Press 1 in the chat if you think J.D. | ||
| Vance will win the debate. | ||
| Press 2 if you think it'll be Tim Walls. | ||
| And we'll take a look. | ||
| We'll see what the chat says. | ||
| We got about 20,000 viewers. | ||
| Looks pretty mixed. | ||
| I'm seeing, I think it's slightly more twos. | ||
| But it's mixed. | ||
| It's about 50-50, I think. | ||
| Maybe 60-40. | ||
| A little bit more twos. | ||
| So we'll see what happens. | ||
| This is the first and only vice presidential debate of the election. | ||
| It's going to go on for 90 minutes. | ||
| There are no other presidential debates, so this is the last debate before the election. | ||
| It's this debate, and then in one month, it's the election. | ||
| I don't think this is going to have much of an impact at all, if I'm being honest. | ||
| You know, the thing is about elections, I'm just being honest with you guys. | ||
| I'm not going to BS. | ||
| A lot of this stuff doesn't matter, okay? | ||
| The conventions, the presidential debates barely matter, the vice presidential debate, I think it hardly matters at all. | ||
| But it looks like we're about to start, so we'll tune in here, we'll see what's going on. | ||
| So, I don't want to say it's not important, but is this going to have a huge impact on the election outcome? | ||
| Probably not, but it's going to be fun. | ||
| It's a little piece. | ||
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| But alright. | ||
| That's what they'll be looking for. | ||
| But here we go! | ||
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| We're one minute away. | ||
| Kind of a weird start. | ||
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So they've taken the stage. | |
| Fat J.D. | ||
| Vance with his Indian wife watching at home, his non-white children cheering him on. | ||
| They're eating curry. | ||
| They ordered Indian food and they're stinking it up. | ||
| They're stinking it up. | ||
| I shouldn't say that. | ||
| That's terrible. | ||
| Oh, I shouldn't say that so terrible. | ||
| JD Vance's Indian wife and kids are watching at home. | ||
| They've got the Panang curry. | ||
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| What do they call the chicken there? | ||
| They've got their curry. | ||
| They're stinking it up with their extended family. | ||
| They got about 40 Indians crammed in a small living room. | ||
| They're all eating with their hands out of their lap, sitting on the floor. | ||
| Turbans on, red dot painted. | ||
| It's game time. | ||
| They're practicing spells. | ||
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| Alright, here we go, it's starting. | ||
| Let's be serious, it's starting. | ||
| No, but let's be serious, it's starting, okay? | ||
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Tika Masala, that's right. | |
| Alright, here we go! | ||
| of Minnesota and Republican Senator J.D. Vance of Ohio. | ||
| Now this is likely the final debate of this election cycle. | ||
| And voting is already underway in 26 states. | ||
| So if this fall elections, this remains a race either presidential candidate could win. | ||
| The CBS News vice presidential debate starts now. | ||
| This is gonna be awesome. | ||
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| Okay. Let's go. Monster going in. | ||
| Kamala Harris is the next president of the United States. | ||
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| I'm gonna be honest with you. | ||
| I'm rooting for Vance to lose. | ||
| This is gonna be good. | ||
| The vice presidential debate. | ||
| I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm rooting for Vance to lose. | ||
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| Alright, here we go. | ||
| I forgot this. | ||
| Let's put that here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Here we go! | ||
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CBS another got this here in the US and around the world we have a consequential | |
| night ahead and our focus is the issues that matter to you the voter let's | ||
| introduce the candidates Minnesota's Democratic Governor Tim Walz and Ohio's | ||
| Republican Senator JD Vance tonight meeting for the first here we go this is | ||
| good I'm Margaret Brennan | ||
| In order to have a thoughtful and civil debate, these are the rules that both campaigns have agreed to. | ||
| It's two women? | ||
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Questions will be directed at one candidate. | |
| That's so gay. | ||
| I'm sure that was intentional. | ||
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Hey, J.D. | |
| Vance, you want to control women's bodies? | ||
| It's two women. | ||
| Moderators deal with it. | ||
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| That's so ridiculous. | ||
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| What they're doing with that, isn't it? | ||
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| Alright, here we go. | ||
| Tonight, our country is facing several unfolding crises. | ||
| The Middle East is on the brink of war. | ||
| Americans are suffering from the catastrophic impact of Hurricane Helene. | ||
| And now a labor strike as 25,000 dock workers from Maine to Texas are picketing. | ||
| We're going to begin tonight with the Middle East. | ||
| Margaret. | ||
| Thank you, Nora. | ||
| Earlier today, Iran launched its largest attack yet on Israel, but that attack failed, thanks to U.S. | ||
| and Israeli defensive action. | ||
| President Biden has deployed more than 40,000 U.S. | ||
| military personnel and assets to that region over the past year to try to prevent a regional war. | ||
| Iran is weakened. | ||
| That's Israeli propaganda. | ||
| is it the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world and it has drastically reduced | ||
| Really? | ||
| the time it would take to develop a nuclear weapon. | ||
| It is down now to one or two weeks time. | ||
| Governor Walz, if you were the final voice in this situation, would you support or oppose | ||
| a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran? | ||
| You have two minutes. | ||
| Well, thank you. | ||
| And thank you for those joining at home tonight. | ||
| Let's keep in mind where this started. | ||
| October 7th, Hamas terrorists massacred over 1,400 Israelis and took prisoners. | ||
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| Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental. | ||
| Getting its hostages back, fundamental. | ||
| And ending the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. | ||
| Oh, this guy sucks. | ||
| But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there. | ||
| You saw it experienced today where along with our Israeli partners and our coalition able to stop the incoming attack. | ||
| We got a tweet. | ||
| We got a tweet. We got a live tweet. | ||
| It's clear and the world saw it on that debate stage a few weeks ago. | ||
| A nearly 80-year-old Donald Trump talking about crowd sizes is not what we need in this moment. | ||
| But it's not just that. It's those that were closest to Donald Trump that understand how dangerous he is when the | ||
| world is this dangerous. | ||
| His Chief of Staff John Kelly said that he was the most flawed human being he'd ever met. | ||
| And both of his Secretaries of Defense and his National Security Advisors said he should be nowhere near the White | ||
| House. | ||
| This guy sucks. | ||
| Now the person closest to them... | ||
| to the Donald Trump said he's unfit for the highest office. | ||
| That was Senator Vance. | ||
| What we've seen out of Vice President Harris is we've seen steady leadership. We've seen a | ||
| calmness that is able to be able to draw on the coalitions to bring them together. Understanding | ||
| that our allies matter. When our allies see Donald Trump turn towards Vladimir Putin, | ||
| Turn towards North Korea. | ||
| When we start to see that type of fickleness around holding the coalitions together, we will stay committed. | ||
| And as the Vice President said today is, we will protect our forces and our allied forces and there will be consequences. | ||
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Governor, your time is up. | |
| Senator Vance, the same question. | ||
| Would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran? | ||
| You have two minutes. | ||
| So, Margaret, I want to answer the question. | ||
| First of all, thanks, Governor. | ||
| Thanks to CBS for hosting the debate. | ||
| And thanks, most importantly, to the American people who are watching this evening and caring enough about this country to pay attention to this vice presidential debate. | ||
| You look so weird. | ||
| I want to answer the question, but I want to actually give an introduction to myself a little bit, because I recognize a lot of Americans don't know who either one of us are. | ||
| I was raised in a working-class family. | ||
| My mother required food assistance for periods of her life. | ||
| My grandmother required Social Security help to raise me. | ||
| And she raised me in part because my mother struggled with addiction for a big chunk of | ||
| my early life. | ||
| I went to college on the GI Bill after I enlisted in the Marine Corps and served in Iraq. | ||
| And so I stand here asking to be your vice president with extraordinary gratitude for | ||
| this country, for the American dream that made it possible for me to live my dreams. | ||
| And most importantly, I know that a lot of you are worried about the chaos in the world | ||
| and the feeling that the American dream is unattainable. | ||
| I want to try to convince you tonight over the next 90 minutes that if we get better | ||
| leadership in the White House, if we get Donald Trump back in the White House, the American | ||
| dream is going to be attainable once again. | ||
| Now, to answer this particular question, we have to remember that as much as Governor | ||
| Walz just accused Donald Trump of being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump actually delivered | ||
| stability in the world and he did it by establishing effective deterrence. | ||
| People were afraid of stepping out of line. | ||
| Iran, which launched this attack, has received over $100 billion in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris | ||
| administration. | ||
| What do they use that money for? | ||
| They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching against our allies, | ||
| and God forbid, potentially, launching against the United States as well. | ||
| Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength. | ||
| They needed to recognize that if they got out of line, the United States global leadership would put stability and peace back in the world. | ||
| Now, you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret, and I want to answer the question. | ||
| Look, it is up to Israel what they think they need to do to keep their country safe, and we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys. | ||
| I think that's the right approach to take with the Israel question. | ||
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Thank you, Senator. | |
| Let them do whatever they want. | ||
| Do you care to respond to any of the allegations? | ||
| Well, look, Donald Trump was in office. | ||
| We'll sometimes hear a revisionist history, but when Donald Trump was in office, it was Donald Trump who we had a coalition of nations that had boxed Iran's nuclear program in, the inability to advance it. | ||
| Donald Trump pulled that program and put nothing else in its place. | ||
| So Iran is closer to a nuclear weapon than they were before because of Donald Trump's fickle leadership. | ||
| And when Iran shot down an American aircraft in international airspace, | ||
| Donald Trump tweeted because that's the standard diplomacy of Donald Trump. | ||
| And when Iranian missiles did fall near U.S. troops and they received traumatic brain injuries, | ||
| Donald Trump wrote it off as headaches. | ||
| Look, our allies understand that Donald Trump is fickle. | ||
| He will go to whoever has the most flattery or where it makes sense to him. | ||
| Steady leadership like you witnessed today, like you witnessed in April. | ||
| Both Iranian attacks were repelled. | ||
| Our coalition is strong and we need the steady leadership that Kamala Harris is providing. | ||
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Senator Vance, the U.S. | |
| did have a diplomatic deal with Iran to temporarily pause parts of its nuclear program, and President Trump did exit that deal. | ||
| He recently said, just five days ago, the U.S. | ||
| must now make a diplomatic deal with Iran because the consequences are impossible. | ||
| Did he make a mistake? | ||
| You have one minute. | ||
| Well, first of all, Margaret, diplomacy is not a dirty word. | ||
| But I think that's something that Governor Walz just said is quite extraordinary. | ||
| You yourself just said Iran is as close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been. | ||
| And Governor Walz, you blame Donald Trump. | ||
| Who has been the vice president for the last three and a half years? | ||
| And the answer is your running mate, not mine. | ||
| Donald Trump consistently made the world more secure. | ||
| When did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel? | ||
| The sequence of events that led us to where we are right now, and you can't ignore October | ||
| 7th, which I appreciate Governor Walz bringing up. | ||
| But when did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel? | ||
| It was during the administration of Kamala Harris. | ||
| So Governor Walz can criticize Donald Trump's tweets, but effective, smart diplomacy and | ||
| peace through strength is how you bring stability back to a very broken world. | ||
| Donald Trump has already done it once before. | ||
| Ask yourself at home, when was the last time, I'm 40 years old, when was the last time that an American president didn't have a major conflict breakout? | ||
| The only answer is during the four years that Donald Trump was president. | ||
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Gentlemen, we have a lot to get to. | |
| Nora? | ||
| Margaret, thank you. | ||
| Let's turn now to Hurricane Helene. | ||
| The storm could become one of the deadliest on record. | ||
| More than 160 people are dead and hundreds more are missing. | ||
| Scientists say climate change makes these hurricanes larger, stronger, and more deadly because of the historic rainfall. | ||
| Senator Vance, according to CBS News polling, 7 in 10 Americans and more than 60% of Republicans under the age of 45 favor the U.S. | ||
| taking steps to try and reduce climate change. | ||
| Senator, what responsibility would the Trump administration have to try and reduce the impact of climate change? | ||
| I'll give you two minutes. | ||
| Sure, so first of all, let's start with the hurricane because it's an unbelievable, unspeakable human tragedy. | ||
| I just saw today, actually, a photograph of two grandparents on a roof with a six-year-old child, and it was the last photograph ever taken of them because the roof collapsed and those innocent people lost their lives. | ||
| And I'm sure Governor Walz joins me in saying our hearts go out to those innocent people, our prayers go out to them, and we want as robust and aggressive as a federal response as we can get to save as many lives as possible. | ||
| and then of course afterwards to help the people in those communities rebuild. | ||
| I mean, these are communities that I love. | ||
| Some of them I know very personally in Appalachia, all across the Southeast. | ||
| They need their government to do their job. | ||
| And I commit that when Donald Trump is president again, the government will put the citizens | ||
| of this country first when they suffer from a disaster. | ||
| Now, Nora, you asked about climate change. | ||
| I think this is a very important issue. | ||
| Look, a lot of people are justifiably worried about all these crazy weather patterns. | ||
| I think it's important for us, first of all, to say, Donald Trump and I support clean air, clean water. | ||
| We want the environment to be cleaner and safer. | ||
| But one of the things that I've noticed, some of our Democratic friends talking a lot about, is a concern about carbon emissions, this idea that carbon emissions drives all of the climate change. | ||
| Well, let's just say that's true. | ||
| Just for the sake of argument, so we're not arguing about weird science, let's just say that's true. | ||
| Well, if you believe that, what would you want to do? | ||
| The answer is that you'd want to reshore as much American manufacturing as possible, and you'd want to produce as much energy as possible in the United States of America, because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world. | ||
| What have Kamala Harris's policies actually led to? | ||
| More energy production in China, more manufacturing overseas, more doing business in some of the dirtiest parts of the entire world. | ||
| And when I say that, I mean the amount of carbon emissions they're doing per unit of economic output. | ||
| So if we actually care about getting cleaner air and cleaner water, the best thing to do is to double down and invest in American workers and the American people. | ||
| And unfortunately, Kamala Harris has done exactly the opposite. | ||
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Governor Walz, you have two minutes to respond. | |
| Well, we got close to an agreement because all those things are happening. | ||
| Look, first of all, it is a horrific tragedy with this hurricane. | ||
| And my heart goes out to the folks that are down there in contact with the governors. | ||
| I serve as co-chair of the Council of Governors. | ||
| We work together on these emergency management schemes. | ||
| Governors know no partisanship. | ||
| They work together to solve the governors and the emergency responders on the ground. | ||
| Those happen on the front end. | ||
| The federal government comes in, makes sure they're there to that we recover. | ||
| But we're still in that phase where we need to make sure that they're staying there, staying focused. | ||
| Now, look, coming back to the climate change issue, there's no doubt this thing roared onto the scene faster and stronger than anything we've seen. | ||
| Senator Vance has said that there's a climate problem in the past. | ||
| Donald Trump called it a hoax and then joked that these things would make more beachfront property to be able to invest in. | ||
| What we've seen out of the Harris administration now, the Biden-Harris administration, is we've seen this investment. | ||
| We've seen massive investments, the biggest in global history that we've seen in the Inflation Reduction | ||
| Act has created jobs all across the country. Two thousand in Jeffersonville, Ohio, taking | ||
| the EV technology that we invented and making it here. Two hundred thousand jobs across the | ||
| country. The largest solar manufacturing plant in North America sits in Minnesota. But my farmers | ||
| know climate change is real. | ||
| They've seen five hundred year droughts, five hundred year floods back to back. | ||
| But what they're doing is adapting, and this has allowed them to tell me, look, I harvest corn, I harvest soybean, and I harvest wind. | ||
| We are producing more natural gas and more oil at any time than we ever have. | ||
| We're also producing more clean energy. | ||
| So the solution for us is to continue to move forward that climate change is real. | ||
| Reducing our impact is absolutely critical, but this is not a false choice. | ||
| You can do that at the same time you're creating the jobs that we're seeing all across the country. | ||
| That's exactly what this administration has done. | ||
| We are seeing us becoming an energy superpower for the future, not just the current. | ||
| And that's what absolutely makes sense. | ||
| And then we start thinking about how do we mitigate these disasters. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Senator, I want to give you an opportunity to respond there. | ||
| The governor mentioned that President Trump has called climate change a hoax. | ||
| Do you agree? | ||
| effective answers. | ||
| What the president has said is that if the Democrats, in particular Kamala Harris and | ||
| her leadership, if they really believe that climate change is serious, what they would | ||
| be doing is more manufacturing and more energy production in the United States of America | ||
| and that's not what they're doing. | ||
| So clearly Kamala Harris herself doesn't believe her own rhetoric on this. | ||
| If she did, she would actually agree with Donald Trump's energy policies. | ||
| Now something Governor Walz said I think is important to touch upon because when we talk | ||
| about clean energy. | ||
| I think that's a slogan that often the Democrats will use here. | ||
| I'm talking of course about the Democratic leadership and the real issue is that if you're spending hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars of American taxpayer money on solar panels that are made in China, number one, you're going to make the economy dirtier. | ||
| We should be making more of those solar panels here in the United States of America. | ||
| Some of them are, Tim, but a lot of them are being made overseas in China, especially the components that go into those solar panels. | ||
| True. | ||
| Senator, your time is up. | ||
| the environment cleaner. You've got to invest in more energy production. We haven't built | ||
| a nuclear facility, I think, one in the past 40 years. | ||
| Natural gas, we've got to invest more in it. Kamala Harris has done the opposite. That's | ||
| raised energy prices and also meant that we're doing worse by the climate. | ||
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Senator, your time is up. Governor, would you like to respond? | |
| Well, look, we're producing more natural gas than we ever have. | ||
| There's no moratorium on that. | ||
| We're producing more oil. | ||
| But the folks know, and like I said again, these are not liberal folks. | ||
| These are not folks that are Green New Deal folks. | ||
| These are farmers that have been drought one year, massive flooding the next year. | ||
| They understand that it makes sense. | ||
| Look, our number one export cannot be topsoil from erosion from these massive storms. | ||
| We saw it in Minnesota this summer. | ||
| And thinking about how do we respond to that, we're thinking ahead on this. | ||
| And what Kamala Harris has been able to do in Minnesota, we're starting to weatherproof some of these things. | ||
| The infrastructure law that was passed allows us to think about mitigation in the future. | ||
| How do we make sure that we're protecting by burying our power lines? | ||
| How do we make sure that we're protecting lakefronts and things that we're seeing more and more of? | ||
| But to call it a hoax and to take a The oil company executives to Mar-a-Lago say give me money for my campaign and I'll let you do whatever you want. | ||
| We can be smarter about that and an all-above-energy policy is exactly what she's doing, creating those jobs right here. | ||
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Governor, your time is up. | |
| The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the Earth's climate is warming at an unprecedented rate. | ||
| Fake. | ||
| Not real. | ||
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We're going to turn now to immigration. | |
| I love how she just throws the propaganda in there, right? | ||
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The crisis at the U.S.-Mexico border consistently ranks as one of the top issues for American voters. | |
| Senator Vance. | ||
| They booked into that by saying climate change is real. | ||
| Never gonna happen. | ||
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Israel in American history and to use the US military to do so. Could you be | |
| more specific about exactly how this will work? Never gonna happen. For example, would you | ||
| deport parents who have entered the US illegally and separate them from any of | ||
| their children who were born on US soil? That's a preview. | ||
| You have two minutes. So first of all Margaret, before we talk about deportations we have to stop | ||
| the We have a historic immigration crisis because Kamala Harris started and said that she wanted to undo all of Donald Trump's border policies. | ||
| 94 executive orders, suspending deportations, decriminalizing illegal aliens, massively increasing the asylum fraud that exists in our system. | ||
| That has opened the floodgates. | ||
| And what it's meant is that a lot of fentanyl is coming into our country. | ||
| I had a mother who struggled with opioid addiction and has gotten clean. | ||
| I don't want people who are struggling with addiction to be deprived of their second chance | ||
| because Kamala Harris let in fentanyl into our communities at record levels. | ||
| So you've got to stop the bleeding. | ||
| You've got to reimplement Donald Trump's policies, build the wall, re-implement deportations. | ||
| And that gets me to your point, Margaret, about what do we actually do? | ||
| So we've got 20, 25 million illegal aliens who are here in the country. | ||
| What do we do with them? | ||
| I think the first thing that we do is we start with the criminal migrants. | ||
| About a million of those people have committed some form of crime in addition to crossing the border illegally. | ||
| I think you start with deportations on those folks. | ||
| And then I think you make it harder for illegal aliens to undercut the wages of American workers. | ||
| A lot of people will go home if they can't work for less than minimum wage in our own country. | ||
| And by the way, that'll be really good for our workers who just want to earn a fair wage for doing a good day's work. | ||
| And the final point, Margaret, is you ask about family separation. | ||
| Right now, in this country, Margaret, we have 320,000 children that the Department of Homeland Security has effectively lost. | ||
| Some of them have been sex trafficked. | ||
| Some of them, hopefully, are at homes with their families. | ||
| Some of them have been used as drug trafficking mules. | ||
| The real family separation policy in this country is, unfortunately, Kamala Harris's wide-open southern border. | ||
| And I'd ask my fellow Americans to remember, when she came into office, she said she was going to do this. | ||
| Real leadership would be saying, you know what? | ||
| I screwed up. | ||
| We're going to go back to Donald Trump's border policies. | ||
| I wish that she would do that. | ||
| It would be good for all of us. | ||
| Fake answer. | ||
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Mass deportations are not happening, obviously, based on that answer, which he has given many times. | |
| Yeah, well, the drug mule is not true, but I will say about this, about the fentanyl, because this is a crisis of this, the opioid crisis, and the good news on this is, is the last 12 months saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths in our nation's history. | ||
| 30% decrease in Ohio, but there's still more work to do. | ||
| But let's go back to this on immigration. | ||
| Kamala Harris was the Attorney General of the largest state and border state in California. | ||
| She's the only person in this race who prosecuted transnational gangs for human trafficking and drug interventions. | ||
| But look, we all want to solve this. | ||
| Most of us want to solve this. | ||
| And that is the United States Congress. | ||
| That's the Border Patrol agents. | ||
| That's the Chamber of Commerce. | ||
| That's most Americans out here. | ||
| That's why we had the fairest and the toughest bill on immigration that this nation's seen. | ||
| It was crafted by a conservative senator from Oklahoma, James Lankford. | ||
| I know him. | ||
| He's super conservative, but he's a man of principle. | ||
| Wants to get it done. | ||
| Democrats and Republicans worked on this piece of legislation. | ||
| The border patrol said, this is what we need in here. | ||
| These are the experts. | ||
| And the Chamber of Commerce and the Wall Street Journal said, | ||
| pass this thing. | ||
| Kamala Harris helped get there. | ||
| 1,500 new border agents, detection for drugs, DOJ money to speed up the adjudications on this. | ||
| Just what America wants. | ||
| But as soon as I was getting ready to pass and actually tackle this, | ||
| Donald Trump said no. | ||
| Told them to vote against it because it gives him a campaign issue. | ||
| It gives him to, what would Donald Trump talk about if we actually did some of these things. | ||
| And they need to be done by the legislature. | ||
| You can't just do this through the executive branch. | ||
| So look, we have the options to do this. | ||
| Donald Trump had four years. | ||
| He had four years to do this. | ||
| And he promised you, America, how easy it would be. | ||
| I'll build you a big, beautiful wall. | ||
| And Mexico will pay for it. | ||
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W. | |
| Less than 2% of that wall got built. | ||
| And Mexico didn't pay a dime. | ||
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W. | |
| But here we are again, nine years after he came down that escalator. | ||
| Dehumanizing people and telling them what he was going to do. | ||
| As far as a deportation plan, at one point, Senator Vance said it was so unworkable to be laughable. | ||
| So that's where we're at. | ||
| Pass the bill. | ||
| She'll sign it. | ||
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Governor, your time is up. | |
| Senator, the question was will you separate parents from their children? | ||
| They're both doing pretty well. | ||
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Even if their kids are U.S. | |
| citizens. | ||
| You have one minute. | ||
| Margaret, my point is that we already have massive child separations thanks to Kamala Harris's open border. | ||
| I didn't accuse Kamala Harris of inviting drug mules. | ||
| I said that she enabled the Mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country and we know that they use children as drug mules and it is a disgrace and it has to stop. | ||
| Look, I think what Tim said just doesn't pass the smell test. | ||
| For three years, Kamala Harris went out bragging that she was going to undo Donald Trump's border policy. | ||
| She did exactly that. | ||
| We had a record number of illegal crossings. | ||
| We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country. | ||
| And now, now that she's running for president, or a few months before, She says that somehow she got religion and cared a lot about a piece of legislation. | ||
| The only thing that she did when she became the vice president, when she became the appointed border czar, was to undo 94 Donald Trump executive actions that opened the border. | ||
| This problem is leading to massive problems in the United States of America. | ||
| Parents who can't afford health care, schools that are overwhelmed, it's got to stop and it will when Donald Trump is president again. | ||
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Senator, your time is up. | |
| Governor, what about He's not going hard enough. | ||
| Look, we fixed this issue with a bill that is necessary, but the issue on this is, this is what happens when you don't want to solve it. | ||
| You demonize it. | ||
| And we saw this, and Senator Vance, and it surprises me on this, talking about and saying I will create stories to bring attention to this. | ||
| That vilified a large number of people who were here legally in the community of Springfield. | ||
| The Republican governor said, it's not true, don't do it. | ||
| There's consequences for this. | ||
| There's consequences. | ||
| We could come together. | ||
| Senator Lankford did it. | ||
| We could come together and solve this if we didn't let Donald Trump continue to make it | ||
| an issue. | ||
| And the consequences in Springfield were the governor had to send state law enforcement | ||
| to escort kindergartners to school. | ||
| I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this, but by standing with Donald Trump and not | ||
| working together to find a solution, it becomes a talking point. | ||
| And when it becomes a talking point like this, we dehumanize and villainize other human beings. | ||
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Governor, your time is up. | |
| Senator, I'll give you one minute, but let me just ask you the question first. | ||
| The governor has made the point, and I think as a sitting lawmaker, you know that Congress controls the purse strings and any funding. | ||
| So you have said repeatedly that Donald Trump would, through executive action, solve this. | ||
| Do you disagree? | ||
| that Congress controls the purse strings and would need to support many of the changes | ||
| that you would actually want to implement. | ||
| You have one minute. | ||
| First of all, the gross majority of what we need to do at the southern border is just | ||
| empowering law enforcement to do their job. | ||
| I've been to the southern border more than our borders are. | ||
| Kamala Harris has been. | ||
| And it's actually heartbreaking because the Border Patrol agents, they just want to be | ||
| empowered to do their job. | ||
| Of course, additional resources would help. | ||
| But most of this is about the president and the vice president empowering our law enforcement | ||
| to say, if you try to come across the border illegally, you've got to stay in Mexico. | ||
| You've got to go back through proper channels. | ||
| Now, Governor Walz brought up the community of Springfield, and he's very worried about | ||
| the things that I've said in Springfield. | ||
| Look, in Springfield, Ohio, and in communities all across this country, you've got schools | ||
| You've got hospitals that are overwhelmed. | ||
| You have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes. | ||
| The people that I'm most worried about in Springfield, Ohio, are the American citizens who have had their lives destroyed by Kamala Harris's open border. | ||
| It is a disgrace, Tim. | ||
| And I actually think, I agree with you, I think you want to solve this problem, but I don't think that Kamala Harris does. | ||
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Senator, your time is up. | |
| Governor, you have one minute to respond. | ||
| It is law enforcement that asked for the bill. | ||
| They helped craft it. | ||
| They're the ones that supported it. | ||
| That's because they know we need to do this. | ||
| Look, this issue of continuing to bring this up, of not dealing with it, of blaming migrants for everything. | ||
| On housing, we could talk a little bit about Wall Street speculators buying up housing and making them less affordable. | ||
| But it becomes a blame. | ||
| Look, this bill also gives the money necessary to adjudicate. | ||
| I agree it should not take seven years for an asylum claim to be done. | ||
| This bill gets it done in 90 days. | ||
| Then you start to make a difference in this and you start to adhere to what we know, American principles. | ||
| I don't talk about my faith a lot, but Matthew 25 40 talks about, to the least amongst us you do unto me. | ||
| I think that's true of most Americans. | ||
| They simply want order to it. | ||
| This bill does it, it's funded, it's supported by the people who do it, and it lets us keep our dignity about how we treat other people. | ||
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Thank you, Governor. | |
| And just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status, temporary protected status. | ||
| Well, Margaret, but... Senator, we have so much to get to. | ||
| Margaret, I think it's important because... We're going to turn out of the economy, thank you. | ||
| Margaret, the rules were that you guys weren't going to fact check, and since you're fact checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on. | ||
| So there's an application called the CBP1 app. | ||
| Or you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum, or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand. | ||
| That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card, and waiting for 10 years. | ||
| That is the facilitation of illegal immigration, Margaret, by our OW leadership. | ||
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Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process. | |
| We have so much to get done, Senator. | ||
| Those laws have been on the books since 1990. | ||
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Thank you gentlemen. | |
| Try getting it out. | ||
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Look at how the one on the left muted. | |
| She's like, I'm gonna mute you. | ||
| Dude, fuck these bitches. | ||
| The economy is a top concern for voters. | ||
| Each of your campaigns has released an economic plan, so let's talk about the specifics. | ||
| You see the way she hit the button? | ||
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She's like, I'm gonna hit the button. | |
| You just got muted. | ||
| Fucking bitch. | ||
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Good on Vance for sticking up for himself. | |
| manufacturing, housing, and a renewed child tax credit. | ||
| The Wharton School says your proposals will increase the nation's deficit by $1.2 trillion. | ||
| How would you pay for that without ballooning the deficit? | ||
| Governor, I'll give you two minutes. | ||
| We both grew up in that. | ||
| We understand. | ||
| So those of you out there listening tonight, you're hearing a lot of stuff back and forth and it's good. | ||
| It's healthy. | ||
| That's what this is supposed to happen. | ||
| You should be listening. | ||
| How's this going to impact me? | ||
| The bold forward plan that Kamala Harris put out there is one is talking about this housing issue. | ||
| The one thing is, there's 3 million new houses proposed under this plan with down payment assistance on the front end to get you in a house. | ||
| A house is much more than just an asset to be traded somewhere. | ||
| It's foundational to where you're at. | ||
| And then making sure that the things you buy every day, whether they be prescription drugs or other things, that there's fairness in that. | ||
| Look, the $35 insulin is a good thing, but it cost $5 to make insulin. | ||
| They were charging $800 before this law went into effect. | ||
| As far as the housing goes, I've seen it in Minnesota. | ||
| 12% more houses in Minneapolis, prices went down on rent 4%. | ||
| It's working. | ||
| And then making sure tax cuts go to the middle class. | ||
| $6,000 child tax credit, we have one in Minnesota, reduces childhood poverty by a third. | ||
| We save money in the long run, and we do the right thing for families. | ||
| And then getting businesses off the ground. | ||
| The law as it stands right now is $5,000 tax credit for small business, increasing that | ||
| to $50,000. | ||
| Now, this is a philosophical difference between us. | ||
| Donald Trump made a promise, and I'll give you this, he kept it. | ||
| He took folks to Mar-a-Lago, said, you're rich as hell, I'm going to give you a tax | ||
| cut. | ||
| He gave the tax cuts that predominantly went to the top class. | ||
| What happened there was an $8 trillion increase in the national debt, the largest ever. | ||
| Now he's proposing a 20% consumption or sales tax on everything we bring in. | ||
| Everyone agrees, including businesses, it would increase inflation and potentially lead to a recession. | ||
| Are they referring to the tariffs? | ||
| This is simple for you. | ||
| Where are we going? | ||
| Kamala Harris has said to do the things she wants to do. | ||
| We'll just ask the wealthiest to pay their fair share. | ||
| When you do that, our system works best, more people are participating in it and folks have the things that they need. | ||
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Senator, I want to give you a moment to respond on that. | |
| But similarly, the Wharton School has done an analysis of the Trump plan and says it would increase the nation's deficit by $5.8 trillion. | ||
| My question is the same for you. | ||
| Deficit or debt? | ||
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How do you pay for all that without ballooning the deficit? | |
| I'll give you two minutes. | ||
| Well, first of all, you're going to hear a lot from Tim Walz this evening, and you just heard it in the answer. | ||
| A lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do, and some of it, I'll be honest with you, it even sounds pretty good. | ||
| Here's what you won't hear, is that Kamala Harris has already done it. | ||
| Because she's been the Vice President for three and a half years, she had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies, and what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25%. | ||
| 25 percent, drive the cost of housing higher by about 60 percent, open the American southern | ||
| border and make middle class life unaffordable for a large number of Americans. | ||
| If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle class problems, then | ||
| she ought to do them now. | ||
| Not when asking for a promotion, but in the job the American people gave her three and | ||
| a half years ago. | ||
| And the fact that she isn't tells you a lot about how much you can trust her actual plans. | ||
| Now Donald Trump's economic plan is not just a plan, but it's also a record. | ||
| A lot of those same economists attack Donald Trump's plans, and they have PhDs, but they don't have common sense, and they don't have wisdom. | ||
| Because Donald Trump's economic policies delivered the highest take-home pay in a generation in this country, 1.5% inflation, and to boot, peace and security all over the world. | ||
| So when people say that Donald Trump's economic plan doesn't make sense, I say look at the | ||
| record. | ||
| He delivered rising take-home pay for American workers. | ||
| Now Tim admirably admits that they want to undo the Trump tax cuts. | ||
| But if you look at what was so different about Donald Trump's tax cuts, even from previous | ||
| Republican tax cut plans, is that a lot of those resources went to giving more take-home | ||
| pay to middle class and working class Americans. | ||
| It was passed in 2017 and you saw an American economic boom unlike we've seen. | ||
| In a generation in this country. | ||
| That is a record that I'm proud to run on and we're going to get back to that common | ||
| sense wisdom so that you can afford to live the American dream again. | ||
| I know a lot of you are struggling. | ||
| I know a lot of you are worried about paying the bills. | ||
| It's going to stop when Donald Trump brings back common sense to this country. | ||
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Governor, do you want to respond to that? | |
| What has Kamala Harris done for the middle class? | ||
| Well, Kamala Harris's day one was Donald Trump's failure on COVID that led to the collapse of our economy. | ||
| We were already before COVID in a manufacturing recession, but 10 million people out of work, largest percentage since the Great Depression. | ||
| Nine million jobs closed on that. | ||
| That was day one. | ||
| Whether it was the Infrastructure Act or other things, we moved. | ||
| Now, you made a question about experts said this. | ||
| I've made a note of this. | ||
| Economists Science can't be trusted. | ||
| National security folks can't be trusted. | ||
| If you're going to be president, you don't have all the answers. | ||
| Donald Trump believes he does. | ||
| My pro tip of the day is this. | ||
| If you need heart surgery, listen to the people at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, not Donald Trump. | ||
| And the same thing goes with this. | ||
| And I ask you out there, teachers, nurses, truck drivers, whatever. | ||
| How is it fair that you're paying your taxes every year, And Donald Trump hasn't paid any federal tax in the last 15 years. | ||
| And the last year as president. | ||
| That's what's wrong with the system. | ||
| There's a way around it, and he's bragged about that. | ||
| We're just asking for fairness in it, and that's all you want. | ||
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You have a minute. | |
| Governor, you say trust the experts, but those same experts for 40 years said that if we shipped our manufacturing base off to China, we'd get cheaper goods. | ||
| They lied about that. | ||
| They said if we shipped our industrial base off to other countries, to Mexico and elsewhere, it would make the middle class stronger. | ||
| They were wrong about that. | ||
| They were wrong about the idea that if we made America less self-reliant, less productive in our own nation, that it would somehow make us better off, and they were wrong about it. | ||
| And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump had the wisdom and the courage to say | ||
| to that bipartisan consensus, we're not doing it anymore. | ||
| We're bringing American manufacturing back. | ||
| We're unleashing American energy. | ||
| We're going to make more of our own stuff. | ||
| And this isn't just an economic issue. | ||
| And I've got three beautiful little kids at home, seven, four, and two, and I love them | ||
| very much. | ||
| And I hope they're in bed right now. | ||
| But look, so many of the drugs, the pharmaceuticals that we put in the bodies of our children | ||
| are manufactured by nations that hate us. | ||
| This has to stop. | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| We keep getting that fucking line. | ||
| We're going to stop it by listening to common sense wisdom, which is what Donald Trump doesn't know. | ||
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Senator, Governor Walz, can you address that? | |
| Shut up. | ||
| I mean, voters say they trust Donald Trump on the economy. | ||
| I can't. I can't. | ||
| If you're listening tonight and you want billionaires to get tax cuts, you heard what the numbers were. | ||
| Look, I'm a union guy on this. | ||
| I'm not a guy who wanted to ship things overseas, but I understand that, look, we produce soybeans and corn. | ||
| We need to have fair trading partners. | ||
| That's something that we believe in. | ||
| I think the thing that most concerns me on this is, is Donald Trump was the guy who created the largest trade deficit in American history with China. | ||
| So the rhetoric is good. | ||
| Much of what the senator said right there, I'm in agreement with him on this. | ||
| I watched it happen too. | ||
| I watched it to my communities and we talked about that. | ||
| But we had People undercutting the right to collectively bargain. | ||
| We had right-to-work states made it more difficult. | ||
| We had companies that were willing to ship it over, and we saw people profit. | ||
| Folks that are venture capital in some cases, putting money into companies that will oversee. | ||
| We're in agreement that we bring those home. | ||
|
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Watch how he recoils. | |
| Donald Trump is talking about it. | ||
| Kamala Harris has a record 250,000 more manufacturing jobs just out of the IRA. | ||
| May I respond to that? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So appreciate that. | ||
| May I go to the bathroom? | ||
| If you notice, what Governor Walz just did is he said, first of all, Donald Trump has to listen to the experts. | ||
| And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well, Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job as the statistics show that he did. | ||
| No, that's a gross generalization. | ||
| So what Tim Walz is doing, and I honestly, Tim, I think you got a tough job here. | ||
| Because you've got to play whack-a-mole. | ||
| You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take-home pay, which of course he did. | ||
| You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did. | ||
| And then you simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries, and housing unaffordable for American citizens. | ||
| I was raised by a woman who would sometimes go into medical debt So that she could put food on the table in our household. | ||
| I know what it's like to not be able to afford the things that you need to afford. | ||
| We can do so much better. | ||
| To all of you watching, we can get back to an America that's affordable again. | ||
| We just gotta get back to common sense economic principles. | ||
| I hope we have a conversation on healthcare then. | ||
|
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Senator, Governor. | |
| Please. | ||
|
unidentified
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Thank you, Margaret. | |
| Kind of cooked him there. | ||
|
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We have a lot to get to ahead, gentlemen, on many topics, but right now I want to talk about personal qualifications. | |
| The Vice President is often the last voice the President hears before making consequential decisions. | ||
| We want to ask you about your leadership qualities. | ||
| Governor Walz. | ||
| You said you were in Hong Kong during the deadly Tiananmen Square protests in the spring of 1989. | ||
| But Minnesota public radio and other media outlets are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until August of that year. | ||
| Can you explain that discrepancy? | ||
| Well, and to the folks out there who didn't get at the top of this, look, I grew up in small rural Nebraska, | ||
| a town of 400, a town that you rode your bike with your buddies till the streetlights come on, | ||
| and I'm proud of that service. | ||
| I joined the National Guard at 17, worked on family farms, and then I used the GI Bill to become a teacher. | ||
| Passion about it. | ||
| A young teacher. | ||
| My first year out, I got the opportunity in the summer of 89 to travel to China. | ||
| 35 years ago, be able to do that. | ||
| I came back home and then started a program to take young people there. | ||
| We would take basketball teams, we would take baseball teams, we would take dancers, and we would go back and forth to China. | ||
| The issue for that was, was to try and learn. | ||
| Now look, my community knows who I am. | ||
| They saw where I was at. | ||
| They Look, I will be the first to tell you, I have poured my heart into my community. | ||
| I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been perfect. | ||
| And I'm a knucklehead at times, but it's always been about that. | ||
| Those same people elected me to Congress for 12 years. | ||
| And in Congress, I was one of the most bipartisan people working on things like farm bills that we got done, working on veterans benefits. | ||
| And then the people of Minnesota Hey idiot, you lied about being in China. | ||
|
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Insane deflection. | |
| He should have just lied. | ||
| commitment has been from the beginning to make sure that I'm there for the people to make sure | ||
| that I get this right. I will say more than anything many times I will talk a lot I will | ||
| get caught up in the rhetoric but being there the impact it made the difference it made in my life. | ||
| I would make the case that Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us. | ||
| I guarantee you he wouldn't be praising Xi Jinping about COVID and I guarantee you he | ||
| wouldn't start a trade war that he ends up losing. So this is about trying to understand the world | ||
| it's about trying to do the best you can for your community. | ||
| Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the discrepancy? | ||
| whether it be through teaching, which I was good at, or whether it was being a good soldier | ||
| or was being a good member of Congress, those are the things that I think are the values | ||
| that people care about. | ||
|
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Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the discrepancy? | |
| All I said on this was, is I got there that summer and misspoke on this. | ||
| So I will just... | ||
| That's what I've said. | ||
| So I was in Hong Kong and China. | ||
| You weren't prepared for that? | ||
| What an idiot. | ||
| went in and from that I learned a lot of what needed to be in governance. | ||
| Insane crash shop. You weren't prepared for that? | ||
|
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Thank you Governor. Senator Vance, in 2016 you called your running mate Donald Trump | |
| unfit for the nation's highest office and you said he could be America's Hitler. | ||
| I know you've said you've been asked many times and you've said you regret those | ||
| comments and explained you then voted for Donald Trump in 2020. | ||
| But the Washington Post reported new messages last week in which you also disparaged Trump's economic record while he was president, writing to someone in 2020, quote, Trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism. | ||
| You're now his running mate, and you've shifted many of your policy stances to align with his. | ||
| If you become vice president, why should Americans trust that you will give Donald Trump the advice he needs to hear, and not just the advice he wants to hear? | ||
| You have two minutes. | ||
| Well, first of all, Margaret, because I've always been open. | ||
| And sometimes, of course, I've disagreed with the president, but I've also been extremely open about the fact that I was wrong about Donald Trump. | ||
| I was wrong, first of all, because I believed some of the media stories that turned out to be dishonest fabrications of his record. | ||
| But most importantly, Donald Trump delivered for the American people. | ||
| Rising wages, rising take-home pay, an economy that worked for normal Americans, a secure southern border, a lot of things, frankly, that I didn't think he'd be able to deliver on. | ||
| And yeah, when you screw up, when you misspeak, when you get something wrong and you change your mind, you ought to be honest with the American people about it. | ||
| It's one of the reasons, Margaret, why I've done so many interviews is because I think it's important to actually explain to the American people where I come down on the issues and what changed. | ||
| Now, you pointed out some messages from 2020. | ||
| Margaret, I've been extremely consistent that I think there were a lot of things that we could have done better in the Trump administration the first round. | ||
| if Congress was doing its job. | ||
| I strongly believe, and I've been a United States Senator, that Congress is not just | ||
| a high class debating society. | ||
| It's not just a forum for senators and congressmen to whine about problems. | ||
| It's a forum to govern. | ||
| So there were a lot of things on the border, on tariffs for example, where I think that | ||
| we could have done so much more if the Republican Congress and the Democrats in Congress had | ||
| been a little bit better about how they govern the country. | ||
| They were so obsessed with impeaching Donald Trump, they couldn't actually govern. | ||
| I want to talk about this tariff issue in particular, Margaret, because Tim just accused | ||
| this of being a national sales tax. | ||
| Look, the one thing, and you're probably surprised to hear me praising Joe Biden, but the one | ||
| thing that Joe Biden did is he continued some of the Trump tariffs that protected American | ||
| manufacturing jobs. | ||
| And it's the one issue, the most pro-worker part of the Biden administration, it's the one issue where Kamala Harris has run away from Joe Biden's record. | ||
| Think about this. | ||
| If you're trying to employ slave laborers in China at $3 a day, you're going to do that and undercut the wages of American workers unless Our country stands up for itself and says you're not accessing our markets unless you're paying middle-class Americans a fair wage. | ||
|
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Senator, your time is up. | |
| Nora? | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Now to the issue of reproductive rights. | ||
| Good answer. | ||
| Governor Walz, after Roe vs. Wade was overturned, you signed a bill into law that made Minnesota one of the least restrictive states in the nation when it comes to abortion. | ||
| Former President Trump said in the last debate that you believe abortion, quote, in the ninth month is absolutely fine. | ||
| Yes or no? | ||
| Is that what you support? | ||
| I'll give you two minutes. | ||
| That's not what the bill says. | ||
| But look, this issue is what's on everyone's mind. | ||
| Donald Trump put this all into motion. | ||
| He brags about how great it was that he put the judges in and overturned Roe v. Wade. | ||
| 52 years of personal autonomy. | ||
| And then he tells us, oh, we send it to the states. | ||
| It's a beautiful thing. | ||
| Amanda Zaworski would disagree with you on It's a Beautiful Thing. | ||
| A young bride in Texas waiting for their child at 18 weeks. | ||
| She has a complication, a tear in the membrane. | ||
| She needs to go in. | ||
| The medical care at that point needs to be decided by the doctor. | ||
| And that would have been an abortion. | ||
| But in Texas, that would have put them in legal jeopardy. | ||
| She went home, got sepsis, nearly dies, and now she may have difficulty having children. | ||
| Or in Kentucky, Hadley Duvall, a 12-year-old child raped and impregnated by her stepfather. | ||
| Those are horrific. | ||
| Now, when got asked about that, Senator Vance said two wrongs don't make a right. | ||
| There is no right in this. | ||
| So in Minnesota, what we did was restore Roe vs. Wade. | ||
| We made sure that we put Women in charge of their health care. | ||
| But look, this is not where, if you don't know Amanda or a Hadley, you soon will. | ||
| Their project 2025 is going to have a registry of pregnancies. | ||
| It's going to make it more difficult, if not impossible, to get contraception and limit access, if not eliminate access to infertility treatments. | ||
| For so many of you out there listening, me included, infertility treatments are why I have a child. | ||
| That's nobody else's business, but those things are being proposed. | ||
| And the catch-all on this is, is, well, the states will decide what's right for Texas might not be right for Washington. | ||
| That's not how this works. | ||
| This is basic human right. | ||
| We have seen maternal mortality skyrocket in Texas, outpacing many other countries in the world. | ||
| This is about health care. | ||
| In Minnesota, we are ranked first in health care for a reason. | ||
| We trust women. | ||
| We trust doctors. | ||
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Senator, do you want to respond to the governor's claim? | |
| Will you create a federal pregnancy monitoring agency? | ||
| No, certainly we won't. | ||
| And I want to talk about this issue because I know a lot of Americans care about it and I know a lot of Americans don't agree with everything that I've ever said on this topic. | ||
| And, you know, I grew up in a working class family in a neighborhood where I knew a lot of young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they feel like they didn't have any other options. | ||
| And, you know, one of them is actually very dear to me. | ||
| And I know she's watching tonight and I love you. | ||
| And she told me something a couple years ago that she felt like if she hadn't had that abortion that it would have destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship. | ||
| And I think that what I take from that as a Republican who proudly wants to protect innocent life in this country, who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable, is that my party we've got to do so much better of a job at earning the American people's trust back on this issue | ||
| where they frankly just don't trust us. | ||
| And I think that's one of the things that Donald Trump and I are endeavoring to do. | ||
| I want us as a Republican party to be pro-family in the fullest sense of the word. | ||
| I want us to support fertility treatments. | ||
| I want us to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies. | ||
| I want to make it easier for young families to afford a home | ||
| so they can afford a place to raise that family. | ||
| And I think there's so much that we can do on the public policy front | ||
| just to give women more options. | ||
| Now, of course, Donald Trump has been very clear that on the abortion policy specifically, | ||
| that we have a big country, and it's diverse. | ||
| And California has a different viewpoint on this than Georgia. | ||
| Georgia has a different viewpoint from Arizona. | ||
| And the proper way to handle this, as messy as democracy sometimes is, | ||
| is to let voters make these decisions. | ||
| Let the individual states make their abortion policy. | ||
| And I think that's what makes the most sense in a very big, a very diverse, and let's be honest, sometimes a very, very messy and divided country. | ||
|
unidentified
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Governor, would you like to respond and also answer the question about restrictions? | |
| Yeah, well, the question got asked when Donald Trump made the accusation that wasn't true about Minnesota. | ||
| Well, let me tell you about this idea that there's diverse states. | ||
| There's a young woman named Amber Thurman. | ||
| She happened to be in Georgia, a restrictive state. | ||
| Because of that, she had to travel a long distance to North Carolina to try and get her care. | ||
| Amber Thurman died in that journey back and forth. | ||
| The fact of the matter is, how can we as a nation say that your life and your rights, as basic as the right to control your own body, is determined on geography? | ||
| There's a very real chance, had Amber Thurman lived in Minnesota, she would be alive today. | ||
|
unidentified
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Effective rebuttal. | |
| That's why the restoration of Roe vs. Wade. | ||
|
unidentified
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That's why the Vance answer sucks. | |
| When you listen to Vice President Harris talk about this subject, and you hear me talk about it, you hear us talking exactly the same. | ||
| Donald Trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this. | ||
| I agree with a lot of what Senator Vance said about what's happening. | ||
| His running mate, though, does not, and that's the problem. | ||
|
unidentified
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Governor, your time is up. | |
| Senator, let me ask you about that. | ||
| He mentioned, I think referring to a national ban. | ||
| In the past, you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks. | ||
| In fact, you said if someone can't support legislation like that, quote, you are making the United States the most barbaric pro-abortion regime anywhere in the entire world. | ||
| My question is, why have you changed your position? | ||
| Well, Nora, first of all, I never supported a national ban. | ||
| I did during when I was running for Senate in 2022 talk about setting some minimum national standard. | ||
| For example, we have a partial birth abortion ban in this in place in this country at the federal level. | ||
| I don't think anybody's trying to get rid of that, or at least I hope not, though I know that Democrats have taken a very radical pro-abortion stance. | ||
| But Nora, you know, one of the things that changed is in the state of Ohio, we had a referendum. | ||
| In 2023, and the people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly, by the way, against my position. | ||
| And I think that what I learned from that Nora is that we've got to do a better job at winning back people's trust. | ||
| So many young women would love to have families. | ||
| So many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy as something that's going to destroy their livelihood, destroy their education, destroy their relationships. | ||
| And we have got to earn people's trust back. | ||
| And that's why Donald Trump and I are committed to pursuing He thinks he's clever, that's the problem. | ||
| healthcare more accessible, making fertility treatments more accessible, because we've | ||
| got to do a better job at that and that's what real leadership is. | ||
|
unidentified
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Governor, your response? | |
| Well, I'm going to respond on the pro-abortion piece of that. | ||
| No we're not. | ||
| We're pro-women. | ||
| We're pro-freedom to make your own choice. | ||
| We know what the implications are to not be that. | ||
| Women having miscarriages. | ||
| Women not getting the care. | ||
| Physicians feeling like they may be prosecuted for providing that care. | ||
| And as far as making sure that we're educating our children and giving them options, Minnesota's the state with one of the lowest teen pregnancy rates. | ||
| We understand that too. | ||
| We know that the options need to be available and we make that true. | ||
| We also make it, we're a top three state for the best place to raise children. | ||
| But these two things to try and say that we're pro-children but we don't like this or you guys are pro-abortion, that's not the case at all. | ||
| We are pro freedoms for women to make their choices and we're going, and Kamala Harris is making the case, to make options for children more affordable, a $6,000 child tax credit, but we're not going to base that on the backs of making someone like Amber Thurman drive 600 miles to try and get health care. | ||
|
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Senator. | |
| I may respond to that. | ||
| First of all, Governor, I agree with you. | ||
| Amber Thurman should still be alive, and there are a lot of people who should still be alive, | ||
| and I certainly wish that she was. | ||
| And maybe you're free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me, | ||
| but as I read the Minnesota law that you signed into law, the statute that you signed into law, | ||
| it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives, | ||
| the doctor is under no obligation to provide life-saving care to a baby who survives a botched late-term abortion. | ||
| That is, I think, what is... | ||
| Whether you're pro-choice or pro-abortion, that is fundamentally barbaric. | ||
| And that's why I use that word, Nora, is because some of what we've seen, do you want to force | ||
| Catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their will? | ||
| Because Kamala Harris is supported suing Catholic nuns to violate their freedom of conscience. | ||
| We can be a big and diverse country where we respect people's freedom of conscience | ||
| and make the country more pro-baby and pro-family. | ||
| But please. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yes, Governor, please respond. | |
| Look, this is one where there's always something there. | ||
| This is a very simple proposition. | ||
| These are women's decisions to make about their health care decisions and the physicians | ||
| who know best when they need to do this. | ||
| Trying to distort the way a law is written to try and make a point, that's not it at | ||
| What was I wrong about, Governor? | ||
| Please tell me, what was I wrong about? | ||
| That is not the way the law is written. | ||
| Look, I've given... But how? | ||
| I've given this advice on a lot of things, that getting involved, getting against... That's been misread and it was fact-checked at the last debate. | ||
| But the point on this is, is there's a continuation of these guys to try and tell women or to get involved. | ||
| I use this line on this, just mind your own business on this. | ||
| Things worked best when Roe vs. Wade was in place. | ||
| When we do a restoration of Roe, that works best. | ||
| That doesn't preclude us. | ||
| From increasing funding for children. | ||
| It doesn't increase us from making sure that once that child's born, like in Minnesota, they get meals. | ||
| They get early childhood education. | ||
| They get healthcare. | ||
| So the hiding behind we're going to do all these other things, when you're not proposing them in your budget, Kamala Harris is proposing them. | ||
| She's proposing all those things to make life easier for families. | ||
| I asked a specific question, Governor. | ||
| You gave me a slogan as a response. | ||
| It's not the case. | ||
| It's not true. | ||
| That's not what the law says. | ||
| So you fact-checked it with President Trump. | ||
|
unidentified
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Gentlemen, there's a lot to discuss. | |
| We have to move on, and we're going to be right back with much more of the CBS News vice presidential debate in just a moment. | ||
| All right. | ||
| It's a pretty spirited debate. | ||
| I would say they're both doing pretty well. | ||
| I think that, um, I think Walls totally fumbled the China thing, that was embarrassing. | ||
| And I think that abortion topic dragged on far too long for Vance and I think he got | ||
| too clever. | ||
| So I think it's a draw. | ||
| I think Wahls and Vance, they're both doing an adequate job, you know, answering these | ||
| questions. | ||
| Obviously, each topic has strengths and weaknesses. | ||
| Immigration is a weak spot for Walz and a strong suit for Vance. | ||
| Abortion is a strong suit for Walz and a weak spot for Vance. | ||
| And I will say, I think Walz handled the abortion topic better than Vance handled immigration. | ||
| I think that, you know, the problem with this debate is there's no flair here. | ||
| My philosophy on presidential debates overall is that these extremely technical performances are not actually effective. | ||
| And by technical, I mean very technically sound. | ||
| I mean very high word count and precision and being articulate. | ||
| I actually think that matters a lot less. | ||
| In my opinion, debates, what is effective is raw, it's moments. | ||
| It's specific attacks, it's flair, it's charisma, humor. | ||
| Those are the moments that people remember and those are the things that actually have value. | ||
| I guarantee that, one, this debate will not have very high ratings. | ||
| It will have virtually no impact on the election. | ||
| It will probably be forgotten before Thursday. | ||
| So what the candidates are seeking to do here is not actually to answer the questions adequately. | ||
| It's not actually to make a good point. | ||
| It's to dunk. | ||
| It's to get in the highlight reel. | ||
| It's to do something with flair. | ||
| And I think neither candidate is really doing that. | ||
| I think they're both doing a very perfunctory job. | ||
| They're not really scoring points. | ||
| They're not running away with it. | ||
| They're giving kind of adequate answers. | ||
| I also think the answers are just a little bit too clever. | ||
| I think Vance is probably more articulate, has a better command of the facts. | ||
| I think that Walz is articulate in maybe a different way. | ||
| Vance is younger. | ||
| Walz is older. | ||
| Walz has more experience. | ||
| Vance is more wonky. | ||
| So I think they're both articulate in their own way. | ||
| But I think Walls maybe has a little more authenticity. | ||
| Vance is a little bit more slick. | ||
| And the authentic, I guess the weak spot being authentic is sometimes you get caught off guard and kind of trip over yourself, which he has. | ||
| I think the weak spot with being too slick is you come off inauthentic and fake. | ||
| At the end of the day, I don't think any of it really matters that much because so far there hasn't really been a moment. | ||
| The only big moment so far in the debate was when Walls embarrassed himself with the China answer. | ||
| And it wasn't terrible, but it wasn't good. | ||
| And on the other side, I think the moment with Vance is when he went on the offensive against the moderators. | ||
| I think he handled it well. | ||
| He reclaimed the time. | ||
| But then he fumbled it on the actual substance. | ||
| You know, the moderator did the fact check, and Vance was able to reclaim the time. | ||
| and able to talk, but then he went in and tried to introduce this new concept. He started talking | ||
| about the app for illegal immigrants. What he should have done was grandstand about the unfair | ||
| moderation. If you're able to reclaim the time, you got to talk about the tactics and say, | ||
| you said there'd be no fact checks. | ||
| This is BS. | ||
| Why are you drunk? | ||
| It's obviously biased. | ||
| You can't do fact checks. | ||
| It should have been something like that. | ||
| And that's the opportunity where you take it to do flair. | ||
| Make it simple. | ||
| Make it punchy. | ||
| Do it with charisma. | ||
| But again, it's too slick. | ||
| It's too clever. | ||
| It's too wonky. | ||
| It's not memorable. | ||
| It's not lasting. | ||
| So, you know, they're winning on technicality. | ||
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It's a very technical fight, but it's not effective. | |
| We want to turn now to America's gun violence epidemic. | ||
| The leading cause of death for children and teens in America is by firearms. | ||
| Senator Vance. | ||
| You oppose most gun legislation that Democrats claim would curb gun violence. | ||
| You oppose red flag gun laws and legislation to ban certain semi-automatic rifles, including AR-15s. | ||
| Look at that fat ugly face. | ||
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So let me ask you, earlier this year, for the first time, the parents of a school shooter were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to 10 years in prison. | |
| Do you think holding parents responsible could curb mass shootings? | ||
| I'll give you two minutes. | ||
| Yeah, well, Norah, on that particular case, I don't know the full details, but I certainly trust local law enforcement and local authorities to make those decisions. | ||
| I think in some cases the answer is going to be yes, and in some cases the answer is going to be no. | ||
| And the details really matter here, of course. | ||
| For example, if a kid steals a gun, that's going to be different than if a parent hands over a gun knowing that their kid is potentially dangerous. | ||
| But look, I want to just sort of speak as a father of three beautiful little kids, and our oldest is now in second grade. | ||
| And like a lot of parents, we send our kids to school with such hope and such joy and such pride at their little faces on the first day of school. | ||
| And we know, unfortunately, that a lot of kids are going to experience this terrible epidemic of gun violence. | ||
| And of course, our hearts go out to the families that are affected by this terrible stuff. | ||
| And we do have to do better. | ||
| And I think that Governor Walz and I actually probably agree that we need to do better on this. | ||
| The question is just how do we actually do it? | ||
| Now here's something that really bothers me and worries me about this epidemic of violence. | ||
| The gross majority, close to 90% in some of the statistics I've seen, of the gun violence in this country is committed with illegally obtained firearms. | ||
| And while we're on that topic, We know that thanks to Kamala Harris's open border, we've seen a massive influx in the number of illegal guns run by the Mexican drug cartels. | ||
| So that number, the amount of illegal guns in our country is higher today than it was three and a half years ago. | ||
| But what do we do about the schools? | ||
| What do we do to protect our kids? | ||
| And I think the answer is, and I say this not loving the answer, Because I don't want my kids to go to school in a school that feels unsafe or where there are visible signs of security. | ||
| But I unfortunately think that we have to increase security in our schools. | ||
| We have to make the doors lock better. | ||
| We have to make the doors stronger. | ||
| We've got to make the windows stronger. | ||
| And of course, we've got to increase school resource officers because the idea that we can magically wave a wand and take guns out of the hands of bad guys, it just doesn't fit with recent experience. | ||
| So we've got to make our schools safer. | ||
| No common sense. | ||
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Governor, you have two minutes. | |
| Well, I think all the parents watching tonight, this is your biggest nightmare. | ||
| Look, I got a 17-year-old and And he witnessed a shooting at a community center playing volleyball. | ||
| Those things don't leave you. | ||
| As a member of Congress, I sat in my office, surrounded by dozens of the Sandy Hook parents, and they were looking at my seven-year-old picture on the wall. | ||
| Their seven-year-old were dead. | ||
| And they were asking us to do something. | ||
| And look, I'm a hunter. | ||
| I own firearms. | ||
| The Vice President is. | ||
| We understand that the Second Amendment is there, but our first responsibility is to our kids to | ||
| figure this out. In Minnesota, we've enacted enhanced red flag laws, enhanced background | ||
| checks, and we can start to get data. But here's the problem. If we really want to solve | ||
| this, we've got folks that won't allow research to be even done on gun violence. And this | ||
| idea that we should just live with it and I, here's what I do think, that this is a good start | ||
| to the conversation. I 100% agree that Senator Vance hates it when these kids, it's abhorrent | ||
| and it breaks your heart. | ||
| I agree with that, but it's, that's not far enough when we know there are things that | ||
| work. I've spent time in Finland and seen some Finnish schools. They don't have this | ||
| happen even though they have a high gun ownership rate in the country. | ||
| There are reasonable things that we can do to make a difference. | ||
| It's not infringing on your Second Amendment. | ||
| And the idea to have some of these weapons out there, it just doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Kamala Harris, as an Attorney General, worked on this issue. | ||
| She knows that it's there. | ||
| No one's trying to scaremonger and say we're taking your guns, but I ask all of you out there. | ||
| Do you want your schools hardened to look like a fort? | ||
| Is that what we have to go when we know there's countries around the world that their children aren't practicing these types of drills? | ||
| They're being kids. | ||
| We owe it to them to get a fix. | ||
| These are things that shouldn't be that difficult. | ||
| You can still keep your firearms and we can make a difference. | ||
| We have to. | ||
| If you're listening tonight, this breaks your heart. | ||
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Senator? | |
| Tim, first of all, I didn't know that your 17-year-old witness is shooting. | ||
| I'm sorry about that, and I appreciate it. | ||
| Christ have mercy. | ||
| It is awful. | ||
| And I appreciate what Tim said, actually, about Finland, because I do think it illustrates some of the, frankly, weird differences between our own country's gun violence problem and Finland. | ||
| First of all, we have way higher rates of mental health substance abuse. | ||
| We have way higher rates of depression, way higher rates of anxiety. | ||
| We unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country that I really do think that we need to get to the root causes of, because I don't think it's the whole reason why we have such a bad gun violence problem, but I do think it's a big piece of it. | ||
| Another driver of the gun violence epidemic, especially that affecting our kids, it doesn't earn as many headlines, but is the terrible gun violence problem in a lot of our big cities. | ||
| And this is why we have to empower law enforcement to arrest the bad guys Put them away and take gun offenders off the streets. | ||
| I think there's a whole host of things that we can do here, but I do think at our schools we've got to talk about more security. | ||
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Senator, thank you. | |
| Governor, you previously opposed an assault weapons ban, but only later in your political career did you change your position. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Yeah, I sat in that office with those Sandy Hook parents. | ||
| I've become friends with school shooters. | ||
| I've seen it. | ||
| Look, the NRA, I was an NRA guy for a long time. | ||
| They used to teach gun safety. | ||
| I'm of an age where my shotgun was in my car so I could pheasant hunt after football practice. | ||
| That's not where we live today. | ||
| And several things I want to mention on this is Talking about cities and where it's at. | ||
| The number one where the most firearm deaths happen in Minnesota are rural suicides. | ||
| And we have an epidemic of children getting guns and shooting themselves. | ||
| And so we have and we should look at all of the issues. | ||
| Making sure folks have health care and all that, but I want to be very careful. | ||
| This idea of stigmatizing mental health, just because you have a mental health issue doesn't mean you're violent. | ||
| And I think what we end up doing is we start looking for a scapegoat. | ||
| Sometimes it just is the guns. | ||
| It's just the guns. | ||
| And there are things you can do about it. | ||
| But I do think that this is one, and I think this is a healthy conversation. | ||
| I think there's a capacity to find solutions on this that work, protect Second Amendment, protect our children. | ||
| That's our priority. | ||
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Gentlemen, thank you. | |
| Margaret? | ||
| Thank you, Nora. | ||
| Let's turn now to the top contributor to inflation, the high cost of housing and rent. | ||
| There's a shortage of more than 4 million homes in the United States and that contributes to the high housing prices. | ||
| Governor Walz, the Harris campaign promises a $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time homebuyers and a $10,000 tax credit. | ||
| They also promise to build 3 million new homes. | ||
| Where are you building these homes and won't handing out that kind of money just drive up prices higher? | ||
| No, it's not handing out. | ||
| We have, first let me say this, this issue of housing, and I think those of you listening on this, the problem we've had is that we've got a lot of folks that see housing as another commodity. | ||
| It can be bought up, it can be shifted, it can be moved around. | ||
| Those are not folks living in those houses. | ||
| Those of you listening tonight, that house is a big deal. | ||
| I bought and owned one house in my life. | ||
| My mom still lives in the house where I was, and when I think of a house, I'm thinking of Christmas services after midnight mass where you go with your family. | ||
| We need to make it more affordable. | ||
| And one of the things, as I said, this program that the Vice President is pushing forward and bringing a new way of approaching this is something we're doing in Minnesota from that lead. | ||
| We in the state invested in making sure our housing was the biggest investment that we'd ever made in housing. | ||
| It starts to make it easier. | ||
| We cut some of the red tape. | ||
| Local folks, look, we can't do it at the federal level, but local folks make it easier to build those homes. | ||
| And then that down payment assistance. | ||
| I can tell all of you out there, one of the Certainly for me, using the GI Bill was one thing, but a veteran's home loan? | ||
| The big thing about a veteran's home loan is you don't have to pay the down payment. | ||
| Those are things that make it there. | ||
| Now look, you're going to pay it back and you're going to pay your mortgage. | ||
| Those are things that we know in the long run, the appreciated value, the generational wealth that's created from it. | ||
| And I will give Minneapolis an example. | ||
| Minneapolis is the one city where we've seen the lowest inflation rates. | ||
| We've seen a 12% increase in stock because we put some of these things in. | ||
| And we're implementing a state program to make sure we give some of that down payment assistance. | ||
| We get it back from people because here's what we know. | ||
| People with stable housing end up with stable jobs. | ||
| People with stable housing have their kids able to be able to get to school. | ||
| All of those things in the long run end up saving our money and that's the thing that I think we should be able to find some common ground in but we can't blame Immigrants, for the only reason, that's not the case that's happening in many cities. | ||
| The fact of the matter is, is that we don't have enough naturally affordable housing, but we can make sure that the government's there to help kickstart it, create that base. | ||
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Governor, your time is up. | |
| Senator Vance, as far as your campaign's position, the promise is to seize federal lands to build homes, remove regulation, provide tax breaks, and cut back on immigration, which you say pushes up prices. | ||
| Where are you going to build all the new homes you're promising and what part of any of this plan will provide immediate relief? | ||
| You have two minutes. | ||
| Well, first of all, Tim just said something that I agree with. | ||
| We don't want to blame immigrants for higher housing prices, but we do want to blame Kamala Harris for letting in millions of illegal aliens into this country, which does drive up costs, Tim. | ||
| 25 million illegal aliens competing with Americans for scarce homes is one of the most significant drivers of home prices in the country. | ||
| It's why we have massive increases in home prices that have happened right alongside massive increases in illegal aliens. | ||
| alien populations under Kamala Harris's leadership. | ||
| Now Tim just mentioned a bunch of ideas. | ||
| Now some of those ideas I actually think are halfway decent and some of them I disagree | ||
| with, but the most important thing here is Kamala Harris is not running as a newcomer | ||
| to politics. | ||
| She is the sitting vice president. | ||
| If she wants to enact all of these policies to make housing more affordable, I invite | ||
| her to use the office that the American people already gave her, not sit around and campaign | ||
| and do nothing while Americans find the American dream of home ownership completely unaffordable. | ||
| Now you asked Margaret, what would immediately change the equation for American citizens? | ||
| If you lower energy prices, as Donald Trump says, drill, baby, drill. | ||
| One of the biggest drivers of housing costs aside from illegal immigration is think about | ||
| it. | ||
| If a truck driver is paying 40% more for diesel than the lumber he's delivering to the job | ||
| site to build the house is also going to become a lot more expensive. | ||
| If we open up American energy, you will get immediate pricing relief for American citizens. | ||
| Not, by the way, just in housing, but in a whole host of other economic goods, too. | ||
| Is that really the problem? | ||
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Senator Vance, you still have 23 seconds there. | |
| Do you want to answer? | ||
| Can I have it? | ||
| Governor, we will get to you in a moment. | ||
| But, Senator, where are you going to seize the federal lands? | ||
| Can you clarify? | ||
| Well, what Donald Trump has said is we have a lot of federal lands that aren't being used for anything. | ||
| They're not being used for a national park. | ||
| They're not being used, and they could be places where we build a lot of housing. | ||
| And I do think that we should be opening up building in this country. | ||
| We have a lot of land that could be used. | ||
| We have a lot of Americans that need homes. | ||
| We should be kicking out illegal immigrants who are competing for those homes, and we should be building more homes for the American citizens who deserve to be here. | ||
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Senator, your time is up. | |
| Governor, I do want to let you respond to the allegation that the vice president is letting in migrants. | ||
| Of course that's not true and again you have the facts. I guess we agreed not to fact check. | ||
| I'll check it. Look, crossings are down compared to when Donald Trump left office. | ||
| But it's again blaming and not trying to find the solution. | ||
| I was going to ask on this question, are we going to drill and build houses in the same federal land? | ||
| And I think when people hear federal lands, these are really important pieces of land. | ||
| Now, Minnesota doesn't have a lot of federal lands. | ||
| I know in the Western part of the countries we do. | ||
| There's not a lot of federal lands in and around Minneapolis, for example. | ||
| So the issue is, is I don't understand the federal lands issue unless we see this. | ||
| And I worry about this as someone who cares deeply about our national parks and our federal lands. | ||
| Look, Minnesota, we protect these things. | ||
| Minnesota? | ||
| He has 20% of the world's fresh water in Minnesota? | ||
| protect. They're there for a reason. They belong to all of us. This is when you view housing and | ||
| you view these things as commodities. Like there's a chance to make money here. Let's take this | ||
| federal land and let's sell it to people for that. I think there's better ways to do this. | ||
| We've seen it in Minnesota where it was 20% of the world's fresh water in Minnesota. And I'm still | ||
| on this economist. You Senator Vance, you said you don't like the economists. | ||
| Which economists are saying that it is immigrants that's adding to the cost? | ||
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Governor, your time is up, but Senator, on that point, I'd like for you to clarify. | |
| There are many contributing factors to high housing costs. | ||
| What evidence do you have that migrants are part of this problem? | ||
| Well, there's a Federal Reserve study that we're happy to share after the debate. | ||
| We'll put it up on social media, actually, that really drills down on the connection between increased levels of migration, especially illegal immigration and higher housing prices. | ||
| Now, of course, Margaret, that's not the entire driver of higher housing prices. | ||
| It's also the regulatory regime of Kamala Harris. | ||
| Look we are a country of builders, we're a country of doers, we're a country of explorers. | ||
| But we increasingly have a federal administration that makes it harder to develop our resources, makes it harder to build things, and wants to throw people in jail for not doing everything exactly as Kamala Harris says they have to do. | ||
| And what that means is that you have a lot of people who would love to build homes who aren't able to build homes. | ||
| I actually agree with Tim Walz. | ||
| We should get out of this idea of housing as a commodity, but the thing that has most turned housing into a commodity is giving it away to millions upon millions of people who have no legal right to be here. | ||
| What are the federal regulations? | ||
| I deal with this as a governor. | ||
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You can very quickly reply. | |
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I get this as a governor, and I don't necessarily disagree with that. | ||
| That in some cases, many of those are local, many of them are state. | ||
| I don't know which ones are federal, but I think whenever we talk regulations, people think they can get rid of them. | ||
| I think you want to be able to get out of your house in a fire. | ||
| I think you want to make sure that it's fireproof and those types of things. | ||
| So which are the regulations? | ||
| Because the vice president's not responsible for those. | ||
| Congress writes those. | ||
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Governor, thank you. | |
| Gentlemen, we have a lot to get through. | ||
| You're passionate about the housing crisis, I can tell. | ||
| Nora? | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| One of the top problems facing Americans is the high cost of health care. | ||
| Senator Vance, at the last presidential debate, former President Trump was asked about replacing the Affordable Care Act. | ||
| In response, he said, I have concepts of a plan. | ||
| Since then, Senator, you've talked about changing how chronically ill Americans get health insurance. | ||
| Can you explain how that would work? | ||
| And can you guarantee that Americans with pre-existing conditions won't pay more? | ||
| I'll give you two minutes. | ||
| Well, of course. | ||
| We're gonna cover Americans with pre-existing conditions. | ||
| In fact, a lot of my family members have gotten healthcare. | ||
| I believe, you know, members of my family actually got private health insurance, at least for the first time, switched off of Medicaid onto private insurance for the first time under Donald Trump's leadership. | ||
| And I think that, you know, a lot of people have criticized this concepts of a plan remark. | ||
| Look, it's very simple common sense. | ||
| I think as Tim Walz knows from 12 years in Congress, you're not going to propose a 900 page bill standing on a debate stage. | ||
| It would bore everybody to tears and it wouldn't actually mean anything because part of this is the give and take of bipartisan negotiation. | ||
| Now, when Donald Trump was actually president—and again, he has a record to be proud of—prescription | ||
| drugs fell in 2018 for the first time in a very long time under Kamala Harris's leadership. | ||
| Prescription drugs are up about 7 percent. | ||
| Under Donald Trump's entire four years, they were up about 1.5 percent. | ||
| He introduced pricing transparency. | ||
| Think about health care. | ||
| You go into a hospital, you try to buy something, and nobody knows what it actually costs. | ||
| That price transparency will actually give American consumers a little bit more choice | ||
| and will also drive down costs. | ||
| And we talked about, you know, the reinsurance regulations is what I was talking about. | ||
| Look, Donald Trump has said that if we allow states to experiment a little bit on how to cover both the chronically ill, but the non chronically ill, it's not just a plan. | ||
| He actually implemented some of these regulations when he was president of the United States. | ||
| And I think you can make a really good argument that it salvaged Obamacare, which was doing disastrously until Donald Trump came along. | ||
| I think it's an important point about President Trump. | ||
| Of course, you don't have to agree with everything that President Trump has ever said or ever done, but when Obamacare was crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden and healthcare costs, Donald Trump could have destroyed the program. | ||
| Instead, he worked in a bipartisan way to ensure that Americans had access to affordable care. | ||
| It's not perfect, of course, and there's so much more that we can do, but I think that Donald Trump has earned the right to put in place some better healthcare policies. | ||
| He's earned it because he did it successfully the first time. | ||
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Governor? | |
| All right, here's where being an old guy gives you some history. | ||
| I was there at the creation of the ACA. | ||
| And the reason it was so important is I come from a major health care state, home of the | ||
| Mayo Clinic, home to Medical Alley, 3M, Medtronic, all of those. | ||
| We understand health care. | ||
| It's why we're ranked first on affordability and accessibility and quality of health care. | ||
| And so what I know is under Kamala Harris, more people are covered than they have before. | ||
| Those of you listening, this is critical to you. | ||
| Now Donald Trump all of a sudden wants you to go back and remember this. | ||
| He ran on the first thing he was going to do on day one was to repeal Obamacare. | ||
| On day one, he tried to sign an executive order to repeal the ACA. | ||
| He signed on to a lawsuit to repeal the ACA but lost it to the Supreme Court. | ||
| And he would have repealed the ACA had it not been for the courage of John McCain to save that bill. | ||
| Now fast forward, what that means to you is you lose your pre-existing conditions. | ||
| If you're sitting at home and you got asthma, too bad. | ||
| If you're a woman, probably not. | ||
| Broke your foot during football, might kick you out. | ||
| Your kids get kicked out when they're 26. | ||
| Kamala Harris negotiated drug prices for the first time with Medicare. | ||
| We have 10 drugs that will come online, the most common ones that'll be there. | ||
| But look, this issue, and when Donald Trump said, I've got a concept of a plan, it cracked me up as a fourth grade teacher because my kids would have never given me that. | ||
| But what Senator Vance just explained might be worse than a concept. | ||
| Because what he explained is pre-Obamacare. | ||
| And I'll make this as simple as possible because I have done this for a long time. | ||
| What they're saying is, if you're healthy, why should you be paying more? | ||
| So what they're going to do is let insurance companies pick who they insure. | ||
| Because guess what happens? | ||
| You pay your premium. | ||
| It's not much. | ||
| They figure they're not going to have to pay out to you. | ||
| But those of you a little older, gray, you know, got cancer, you're going to get kicked out of it. | ||
| That's why the system didn't work. | ||
| Kamala Harris will protect and enhance the ACA. | ||
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Governor, thank you. | |
| Senator, you have not yet explained how you would protect people with pre-existing conditions or laid out that plan. | ||
| Well, look, we currently have laws and regulations in place right now that protect people with pre-existing conditions. | ||
| We want to keep those regulations in place, but we also want to make the health insurance marketplace function a little bit better. | ||
| Now, what Governor Walz just said is actually not true. | ||
| A lot of what happened and the reason that Obamacare was crushing under its own weight | ||
| is that a lot of young and healthy people were leaving the exchanges. | ||
| Donald Trump actually helped address that problem, and he did so in a way that preserved | ||
| people's access to coverage who had pre-existing conditions. | ||
| But again, something that these guys do is they make a lot of claims about if Donald | ||
| Trump becomes president, all of these terrible consequences are going to ensue. | ||
| But in reality, Donald Trump was president. | ||
| Inflation was low. | ||
| Take home pay was higher. | ||
| And he saved the very program from a Democratic administration that was collapsing and would have collapsed absent his leadership. | ||
| He did his job, which is govern in a bipartisan way and get results, not just complain about problems, but actually solve them. | ||
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Governor, did enrollment under the Affordable Care Act go up under the Trump administration? | |
| It's higher now that we've seen it go up. | ||
| Look, people are using it. | ||
| The system works. | ||
| And the question about this of young people or whatever, that's the individual mandate piece of this. | ||
| And Republicans fought tooth and nail saying, well, Americans should be free to do this. | ||
| Well, then what happens? | ||
| So you think the individual mandate's a good idea? | ||
| I think the idea of making sure the risk pool is broad enough to cover everyone, that's the only way insurance works. | ||
| When it doesn't, it collapses. | ||
| You are asking pre-ACA where we get people out. | ||
| Look, people know that they need to be on health care. | ||
| People expect it to be there. | ||
| And when we are able to make it, and we are making it this way, when we incentivize people to be in the market, When we help people who might not be able to afford it get there, and we make sure then, when you get sick and old, it's there for you. | ||
| Because I heard people say, well, I don't want to buy into Medicare or whatever. | ||
| Good luck buying healthcare once you get past 70. | ||
| So look, the ACA works. | ||
| We can continue to do better. | ||
| Kamala Harris did that. | ||
| The way she made everything better was negotiating those 10 drugs on Medicare for the first time in American history. | ||
|
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Thank you. | |
| Margaret? | ||
| Can I address that? | ||
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I apologize. | |
| We're out of time. | ||
| We have a number of subjects to discuss. | ||
| Margaret? | ||
| Let's talk about families in America. | ||
| There is a child care crisis in this country, and the United States is one of the very few developed countries in the world without a national paid leave program for new parents. | ||
| Governor Walz, you've said that if Democrats win both the White House and Congress, this is a day one priority for you. | ||
| How long should employers be required to pay workers while they are home taking care of their newborns? | ||
| You have two minutes. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's negotiable. | ||
| And that's what Congress worked. | ||
| But here's what the deal is. | ||
| American sitting out there right now, you may work for a big company. | ||
| Look, we're home in Minnesota to some of the largest Fortune 500 companies. | ||
| Kamala Harris knows that in California. | ||
| Those companies provide paid family medical leave. | ||
| One is, I think they're moral and they think it's a good thing, but it also keeps their employees healthy. | ||
| We in Minnesota passed a paid family medical leave. | ||
| You have a child, you And I had to go back to work five days after my kids were born. | ||
| This allows you to stay home a certain amount of time. | ||
| What we know is, that gets the child off to a better start, the family works better, we stay in their employers, we get more consistency in that. | ||
| So Kamala Harris has made it a priority. | ||
| We implemented it in Minnesota and we see growth. | ||
| That's how you become a pro-business state. | ||
| But the negotiations on it, and here's the issue, those big companies are able to offer it, Those of you out there who don't have it, just imagine what happens if you get cancer or your child gets sick. | ||
| We know what happens. | ||
| You end up staying home. | ||
| In some cases, that means no paycheck because you've got no protection on that. | ||
| This is the case of an economy that Donald Trump has set for the wealthiest amongst us. | ||
| He's willing to give those Tax breaks to the wealthiest. | ||
| He's willing to say, bust those unions up, do whatever. | ||
| What we're saying is the economy works best when it works for all of us. | ||
| And so a paid family medical leave program, and I will tell you, go to the families or go to the businesses and ask them. | ||
| As far as child care on this, you have to take it at both the supply and the demand side. | ||
| You can't expect the most important people in our lives to take care of our children, Or our parents to get paid the least amount of money. | ||
| And we have to make it easier for folks to be able to get into that business and then to make sure that folks are able to pay for that. | ||
| We were able to do it in Minnesota and I'm still telling you this. | ||
| We were listed as the best state. | ||
| We're still in crisis on this. | ||
| A federal program of paid family medical leave and help with this will enhance our workforce, enhance our families, and make it easier to have the children that you want. | ||
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Governor, your time is up. | |
| Senator, do you support a national paid leave program? | ||
| And if so, for how long should employers be mandated to pay their employees while they are home taking care of their newborn? | ||
| You have two minutes. | ||
| Yeah, well, first of all, Margaret, a number of my Republican colleagues and some Democrats, too, have worked on this issue. | ||
| And I think there is a bipartisan solution here because a lot of us care about this issue. | ||
| I mean, look, I speak from this very personally because I'm married to a beautiful woman who is an incredible mother to our three beautiful kids but is also a very, very brilliant corporate litigator. | ||
| And I'm so proud of her. | ||
| But being a working mom, even for somebody with all of the advantages of my wife, is extraordinarily difficult. And it's not just difficult from | ||
| a policy perspective. She actually had access to paid family leave because she worked for a | ||
| bigger company. But the cultural pressure on young families and especially young women, I | ||
| think, makes it really hard for people to choose the family model they want. A lot of | ||
| young women would like to go back to work immediately. Some would like to spend a little | ||
| time home with the kids. | ||
| Some would like to spend longer at home with the kids. | ||
| Some would like to spend longer at home with the kids. We should have a family care model | ||
| We should have a family care model that makes choice possible. | ||
| that makes choice possible. And I think this is a very important substantive difference | ||
| I think this is a very important substantive difference between Donald Trump and Kamala | ||
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between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris' approach. I mean, Some would like to spend a little time home with the kids. | |
| Harris' approach. | ||
| I mean, look, if you look at the federal programs that we have that support paid family leave | ||
| right now, the Community Development Block Grant, and there's another block grant program | ||
| that spends a lot of money from the federal government. | ||
| These programs only go to one kind of child care model. | ||
| Let's say you'd like your church, maybe, to help you out with child care. | ||
| Maybe you live in a rural area or an urban area, and you'd like to get together with | ||
| families in your neighborhood to provide child care in the way that makes the most sense. | ||
| You don't get access to any of these federal monies. | ||
| We want to promote choice in how we deliver family care and how we promote child care, | ||
| because look, it is unacceptable. | ||
| And, you know, of course, Tim and I have been on the campaign trail a lot the past seven or eight weeks, and one of the biggest complaints I hear from young families is people who feel like they don't have options, like they're choosing between going to work or taking care for their kids. | ||
| That is an incredible burden to put on American families. | ||
| We're the only country that does it. | ||
| I think we could do a heck of a lot better. | ||
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Senator, thank you. | |
| You have also said, Senator Vance, many things about the American family. | ||
| The Federal Reserve says parents will spend nearly as much on child care as they do on housing each month. | ||
| So I want to get your thoughts on this. | ||
| President Trump recently said, As much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it's, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers we'll be taking in. | ||
| Is President Trump committed to the $5,000 per child tax credit that you have described? | ||
| You have one minute. | ||
| Well, what President Trump said, Margaret, I just want to defend my running mate here a little bit, is that we're going to be taking in a lot of money by penalizing companies for shipping jobs overseas and penalizing countries who employ slave laborers and then ship their products back into our country and undercut the wages of American workers. | ||
| It's the heart of the Donald Trump economic plan. | ||
| Cut taxes for American workers and American families. | ||
| Cut taxes for businesses that are hiring and building companies in the United States of America. | ||
| But penalize companies and countries that are shipping jobs overseas. | ||
| That's the heart of the economic proposal. | ||
| And I think what President Trump is saying is that when we bring in this additional revenue with higher economic growth, we're going to be able to provide paid family leave, childcare options that are viable and workable for a lot of American families. | ||
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Can you clarify how that will solve the childcare shortage? | |
| Well, because as Tim said, a lot of the childcare shortages, we just don't have enough resources going into the multiple people who could be providing family care options. | ||
| And we're going to have to, unfortunately, look, we're going to have to spend more money. | ||
| We're going to have to induce more people to want to provide childcare options for American families. | ||
| Because the reason it's so expensive right now is because you've got way too few people providing this very essential service. | ||
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Thank you, Senator. | |
| Governor Walz, your ticket also has some childcare tax credit proposals. | ||
| Do you think Congress will agree to the $6,000 credit for newborns and $3,000 credit for children over the age of six as your campaign has promised? | ||
| This is boring, but who cares? | ||
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Is it realistic? | |
| Well, if these members of Congress are listening to anybody, I can tell you. | ||
| And this is the biggest issue. | ||
| Everybody listening tonight knows. | ||
| I mean, I'm sure they were shocked to hear it's not that expensive. | ||
| And let's be clear, whether it's $5,000 or $6,000, that pays you about three or four months. | ||
| Let's be clear of where we're at on this. | ||
| It's because we got out of an imbalance on this. | ||
| It's like a female issue. | ||
| We thought we were going to get by by not paying people. | ||
| I don't think Senator Vance and I are that far apart. | ||
| I'm not opposed to what he's talking about on options. | ||
| We've done scholarship types of things. | ||
| I think we need to be open to making the case. | ||
| But the issue here is, the question you asked is, you're not going to pay for it with these | ||
| tariffs. | ||
| That's just adding another $4,000 on the family and taking less. | ||
| So not only do they not get the money to pay for that. | ||
| They're $4,000 in the hole. | ||
| That's Wharton School. | ||
| That's his alma mater. | ||
| And so I think the issue here is, if those members of Congress, I can't believe they're not, when I go to businesses, sure they'll talk about taxes sometime, but they will lead with childcare and they will lead with housing. | ||
| Because we know the problem is, especially in a state like Minnesota, we need more workers because our economy's growing but we need the workforce. | ||
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Governor, thank you. | |
| We need to move on. | ||
| Damn, that's crazy. | ||
| Let's talk about the state of democracy, the top issue for Americans after the economy and inflation. | ||
| The state of democracy? | ||
| After the 2020 election, President Trump's campaign and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results. | ||
| Judges, including those appointed by President Trump and other Republican presidents, looked at the evidence and said there was no widespread fraud. | ||
| The governors of every state in the nation, Republicans and Democrats, certified the 2020 election results and sent a legal slate of electors to Congress for January 6th. | ||
| They lied. | ||
| Senator Vance, you have said you would not have certified the last presidential election and would have asked the states to submit alternative electors. | ||
| That has been called unconstitutional and illegal. | ||
| Would you again seek to challenge this year's election results? | ||
| Of course it's constitutional! | ||
| Even if every governor certifies the results? | ||
| I'll give you two minutes. | ||
| Well, Nora, first of all, I think that we're focused on the future. | ||
| We need to figure out how to solve the inflation crisis caused by Kamala Harris's policies, make housing affordable, make groceries affordable, and that's what we're focused on. | ||
| But I want to answer your question because you did ask it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Look, what President Trump has said is that there were problems in 2020, and my own belief is that we should fight about those issues, debate those issues, peacefully, in the public square, and that's all I've said, and that's all that Donald Trump has said. | ||
| He said that on January the 6th, the protesters ought to protest peacefully. | ||
| And on January the 20th, what happened? | ||
| Joe Biden became the president. | ||
| Donald Trump left the White House. | ||
| And now, of course, unfortunately, we have all of the negative policies that have come from the Harris-Biden administration. | ||
| I believe that we actually do have a threat to democracy in this country, but unfortunately, | ||
| it's not the threat to democracy that Kamala Harris and Tim Walz want to talk about. | ||
| It is the threat of censorship. | ||
| It's Americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics. | ||
| It's big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens. | ||
| And it's Kamala Harris saying that rather than debate and persuade her fellow Americans, | ||
| she'd like to censor people who engage in misinformation. | ||
| I think that is a much bigger threat to democracy than anything that we've seen in this country in the last four years, in the last 40 years. | ||
| Now, I'm really proud, especially given that I was raised by two lifelong blue-collar Democrats, to have the endorsement of Bobby Kennedy Jr. | ||
| and Tulsi Gabbard, lifelong leaders in the Democratic coalition. | ||
| And, of course, they don't agree with me and Donald Trump on every issue. | ||
| We don't have to agree on every issue. | ||
| But we're united behind a basic American First Amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences. | ||
| We ought to argue about them. | ||
| them. We ought to try to persuade our fellow Americans Kamala Harris is | ||
| engaged in censorship at an industrial scale. She did it during COVID. She's done | ||
| it over a number of other issues and that to me is a much bigger threat to | ||
| democracy than what Donald Trump said when he said that protesters should | ||
| peacefully protest on January the 6th. Governor? Good answer. | ||
| Well, I've enjoyed tonight's debate, and I think there was a lot of commonality here, and I'm sympathetic to misspeaking on things, and I think I might have with the Senator. | ||
| Me too, man. | ||
| There's one, though, that this one is troubling to me, and I say that because I think we need to tell the story. | ||
| Donald Trump refused to acknowledge this, and the fact is that I don't think we can be the frog in the pot and let the boiling water go up. | ||
| He was very clear. | ||
| I mean, he lost this election, and he said he didn't. | ||
| A hundred and forty police officers were beaten at the Capitol that day. | ||
| Some with the American flag. | ||
| Several later died. | ||
| And it wasn't just in there. | ||
| In Minnesota, a group gathered on the state capitol grounds in St. | ||
| Paul and said, we're marching to the governor's residence and there may be casualties. | ||
| The only person there was my son and his dog, who was rushed out crying by state police. | ||
| That issue, and Mike Pence standing there as they were chanting, hang Mike Pence. | ||
| Mike Pence made the right decision. | ||
| So, Senator, it was adjudicated over and over again. | ||
| My son cried. | ||
| I worked with kids long enough to know, and I said as a football coach, sometimes you really want to win. | ||
| Why would you admit that? | ||
| But the democracy is bigger than winning an election. | ||
| You shake hands, and then you try and do everything you can to help the other side win. | ||
| That's what was at stake here. | ||
| Now, the thing I'm most concerned about is the idea that Imprisoning your political opponents. | ||
| Already laying the groundwork for people not accepting this. | ||
| And a president's words matter. | ||
| Kind of ironic, isn't it? | ||
| A president's words matter. | ||
| People hear that. | ||
| So, I think this issue of settling our differences at the ballot box, shaking hands when we lose, being honest about it, but to deny what happened on January 6th, the first time in American history, That a president or anyone tried to overturn a fair election and the peaceful transfer of power. | ||
| And here we are, four years later, in the same boat. | ||
| I will tell you this, that when this is over, we need to shake hands, this election, and the winner needs to be the winner. | ||
| This has got to stop. | ||
| It's tearing our country apart. | ||
|
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Margaret? | |
| Senator Vance, did you want to respond to that? | ||
| Yeah, well, look, Tim, first of all, it's really rich for Democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on January the 20th, as we have done for 250 years in this country. | ||
| We are going to shake hands after this debate and after this election, and of course, I hope that we win, and I think we're going to win, but if Tim Walz is the next Vice President, he'll have my prayers, he'll have my best wishes, and he'll have my help whenever he wants it. | ||
| But we have to remember that for years in this country, Democrats protested the results of elections. | ||
| Hillary Clinton, in 2016, said that Donald Trump had the election stolen by Vladimir Putin because the Russians bought like $500,000 worth of Facebook ads. | ||
| This has been going on for a long time. | ||
| And if we want to say that we need to respect the results of the election, I'm on board. | ||
| But if we want to say, as Tim Walz is saying, that this is just a problem that Republicans have had, I don't buy that. | ||
| January 6th was not Facebook ads. And I think a revisionist history on this. Look, I don't understand. | ||
| Really? | ||
| how we got to this point. But the issue was that happened. | ||
| Donald Trump can you do it? And all of us say there's no place for this. It has | ||
| massive repercussions. | ||
| This idea that there's censorship to stop people from doing, threatening to | ||
| kill someone, threatening to do something, that's not, that's not censorship. | ||
| Censorship is book banning. We've seen that. We've seen that brought up. Oh brother. I just think for everyone | ||
| tonight. Give me a break. I'm gonna thank Senator Vance. I think this is the | ||
| conversation they want to hear. And I think there's a lot of agreement. This is | ||
| one that we are miles apart on. This was a threat to our democracy in a way that | ||
| we had not seen. And it manifested itself because of Donald Trump's inability to | ||
| say. He is still saying he didn't lose the election. I would just say that. | ||
| Did he lose the 2020 election? | ||
| Tim, I'm focused on the future. | ||
| Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation? | ||
| That is a damning non-answer. | ||
| It's a damning non-answer for you to not talk about censorship. | ||
| Obviously, Donald Trump and I think that there were problems in 2020. | ||
| We've talked about it. | ||
| I'm happy to talk about it further. | ||
| But you guys attack us for not believing in democracy. | ||
| The most sacred right under the United States democracy is the First Amendment. | ||
| You yourself have said there's no First Amendment right to misinformation. | ||
| Kamala Harris wants to use the power of the government and big tech to silence people | ||
| from speaking their minds. | ||
| That is a threat to democracy that will long outlive this present political moment. | ||
| I would like Democrats and Republicans to both reject censorship. | ||
| Let's persuade one another. | ||
| Let's argue about ideas. | ||
| And then let's come together afterwards. | ||
| You can't yell fire in a crowded theater. | ||
| That's the test. | ||
| That's the Supreme Court test. | ||
| Tim, fire in a crowded theater. | ||
| You guys wanted to kick people off of Facebook for saying that toddlers shouldn't wear masks. | ||
|
unidentified
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Senator, the governor does have the floor. | |
| That's not fire in a crowded theater. | ||
| That is criticizing the policies of the government, which is the right of every American. | ||
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Senator, the governor does have the floor for one minute to respond to you. | |
| I don't run Facebook. | ||
| What I do know is, is I see a candidate out there who refused and now again, and I'm pretty shocked by this, he lost the election. | ||
| This is not a debate. | ||
| It's not anything anywhere other than in Donald Trump's world. | ||
| Because look, when Mike Pence made that decision to certify that election, that's why Mike Pence isn't on this stage. | ||
| What I'm concerned about is, where is the firewall with Donald Trump? | ||
| Where is the firewall if he knows he could do anything, including taking an election, and his vice president's not going to stand to it? | ||
| That's what we're asking you, America. | ||
| Will you stand up? | ||
| Will you keep your oath of office, even if the president doesn't? | ||
| And I think Kamala Harris would agree. | ||
| She wouldn't have picked me if she didn't think I would do that. | ||
| Because, of course, that's what we would do. | ||
| So, America, I think you've got a really clear choice on this election of who's going to honor that democracy and who's going to honor Donald Trump. | ||
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Governor, your time is up. | |
| Thank you, gentlemen. | ||
| We will be right back with both of our candidates. | ||
| The CBS News vice presidential debate continues. | ||
| I hate when that's so unprofessional when they do this sort of smirky, act like you've been there before, you know? | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| Like, come on. | ||
| How about a little decorum? | ||
| Yeah, so this debate is just like boring and pointless and kind of dumb. | ||
| No one's winning. | ||
| The problem is they're both too agreeable. | ||
| And what's really interesting is they're really like the same person. | ||
| Vance and Walls were both chosen to be like the white person whisperer. | ||
| Vance was chosen from Ohio, which used to be a swing state, now goes 10 points with Republicans because the people are culturally deeply conservative. | ||
| Minnesota was a swing state in the past. | ||
| Now Democrats win it by 10 points, full of white people, many rural farmers, things like that, but deeply culturally liberal. | ||
| And they're both chosen to speak to these different like white demographics with a folksy American heartland kind of deal. | ||
| And the policies are very similar. | ||
| So they're really like deploying in this debate. | ||
| It's like the clone. | ||
| And one and the other are really not that much different other than on some of the cultural issues. | ||
| Um, like the school shootings, abortion, you know, the big ones, I guess. | ||
| But I don't think they're that much different either way. | ||
| I will say about Vance, he's just a fake. | ||
| And he sounds good. | ||
| I think he had an effective performance tonight. | ||
| I think he did a good job. | ||
| He was clearly the better debater, more articulate, I think more clever. | ||
| But Vance is also somebody who I think is very good at just saying what he thinks people want to hear. | ||
| And that's why I think he was so agreeable with Walz. | ||
| I think that's what colored a lot of his answers. | ||
| And I think in many, in some of these answers, I think that was a deep flaw. | ||
| Like on abortion, he said, oh, I think Republicans don't have the trust of women. | ||
| And that was not a great thing to say. | ||
| I think that's kind of what women think, and that's definitely true, but you don't admit that. | ||
| That's not actually a good posture. | ||
| But I think this over-agreeableness, it's being a chameleon. | ||
| I think that's obviously a put-on. | ||
| That's an act. | ||
| He's saying what people want to hear. | ||
| I think what he thinks would go over the best, what will go over well with people, It's a self-conscious act. | ||
| And that's why even though some of the answers are good, and I agree with some of it, I also think he's somebody that says what he thinks is gonna work. | ||
| And you can't trust someone like that. | ||
| I think we know who he is very clearly based on where he comes from and his world. | ||
| Which is Peter Thiel, this weird photographer position that he had when he was in the Marines. | ||
| Somehow he's at Yale, has a venture capital fund funded by Peter Thiel. | ||
| I don't trust him at all. | ||
| I think he's an intelligence asset. | ||
| I think he's very good at telling people what they like to hear. | ||
| And I think the answers are less effective as a result. | ||
| You know, on the abortion issue in particular, look, Republicans don't, it's not a winning issue for them, obviously. | ||
| Women don't support the Republican position. | ||
| If that's the case, you have to go into it understanding that and just push the Republican position that is going to win over the Republican voters. | ||
| What I mean by that is the people that don't like Republicans on abortion, already don't like Republicans on abortion. If you go out | ||
| and say something pro-life, you're not necessarily going to alienate anybody that isn't | ||
| already alienated. | ||
| So the room for loss on that issue is with the people that do support you. That's why you go | ||
| up and say something pro-life anyway. You're not actually going to lose anybody. | ||
| You're only going to bolster the people that support you on the issue. | ||
| But because he's so deeply self-conscious of the issue and trying to appeal to the most, he's going to go up and say, well, everyone hates us and we got to do a better job. | ||
| That's like the perfect case study in why being a fake doesn't work. | ||
| Well, thank you, Senator Vance. | ||
| Thank you to CBS News. | ||
| And most importantly, thank you to all of you. | ||
| If you're still up and the folks who missed Dancing with the Stars, I appreciate it. | ||
| But look, the support of the democracy matters. | ||
| It matters that you're here. | ||
| And I'm as surprised as anybody of this coalition that Kamala Harris has built, from Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift, and a whole bunch of folks in between there. | ||
| And they don't all agree on everything, but they are truly optimistic people. | ||
| They believe in a positive future of this country, and one where our politics can be better than it is. | ||
| And I have to tell you, that better than it is, is the sense of optimism that there can be an opportunity economy that works for everyone. | ||
| Not just to get by, but to get ahead. | ||
| And the idea that freedom really means something. | ||
| Not the freedom of government to be in your bedroom or exam room, but the freedom for you to make choices about yourself. | ||
| Now look, we all know who Donald Trump is. | ||
| He's told us, and as Maya Angelou said, believe him when he told you that. | ||
| His first inaugural address talked about American carnage. | ||
| And then he spent four years trying to maybe do that. | ||
| Senator Vance tonight made it clear he will stand with Donald Trump's agenda. | ||
| He will continue to push down that road. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Kamala Harris gives us a different option. | ||
| Now I'll have to tell you, I'm going to be careful about the quotes, but there's one that Senator Vance said that does resonate with me. | ||
| He said Donald Trump makes the people I care about afraid. | ||
| A lot of America feels that way. | ||
| We don't need to be afraid. | ||
| Franklin Roosevelt was right. | ||
| All we have to fear is fear itself. | ||
| Kamala Harris is bringing us a new way forward. | ||
| She's bringing us a politics of joy, she's bringing real solutions for the middle class, and she's centering you at the heart of that. | ||
| All the while asking everyone, join this movement, make your voices heard, let's look for a new day where everybody gets that opportunity and everybody gets a chance to thrive. | ||
| I humbly ask for your vote on November 5th for Kamala Harris. | ||
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Governor Walz, thank you. | |
| Senator Vance, your closing statement. | ||
| Well I want to thank Governor Walz, you folks at CBS, and of course the American people for tuning in this evening. | ||
| One of the issues we didn't talk about was energy. | ||
| And I remember when I was being raised by my grandmother, when she didn't have enough money to turn on the heat some nights because Ohio gets pretty cold at night, and because money was often very tight. | ||
| And I believe, as a person who wants to be your next vice president, that we are a rich and prosperous enough country where every American, whether they're rich or poor, ought to be able to turn on their heat in the middle of a cold winter night. | ||
| That's gotten more difficult thanks to Kamala Harris's energy policies. | ||
| I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford a nice meal for your family. | ||
| That's gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies. | ||
| I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford to buy a house. | ||
| You ought to be able to live in safe neighborhoods. | ||
| You ought to not have your communities flooded with fentanyl. | ||
| And that, too, has gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies. | ||
| Now, I've been in politics long enough to do what Kamala Harris does when she stands before the American people and says that on day one, she's going to work on all these challenges I just listed. | ||
| She's been the vice president for three and a half years. | ||
| Day one was 1400 days ago, and her policies have made these problems worse. | ||
| Now, I believe that we have the most beautiful country in the world. | ||
| I meet people on the campaign trail who can't afford food, but have the grace and generosity | ||
| to ask me how I'm doing and to tell me they're praying for my family. | ||
| What that has taught me is that we have the greatest country, the most beautiful country, | ||
| the most incredible people anywhere in the world, but they're not going to be able to | ||
| achieve their full dreams with the broken leadership that we have in Washington. | ||
| They're not going to be able to live their American dream if we do the same thing that we've been doing for the last three and a half years. | ||
| We need change. | ||
| We need a new direction. | ||
| We need a president who has already done this once before and did it well. | ||
| Please vote for Donald Trump and whether you vote for me or vote for Tim Walz, I just want to say I'm so proud to be doing this and I'm rooting for you. | ||
| God bless you and good night. | ||
|
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Center Vance, thank you. | |
| And thank you both for participating in the only vice presidential debate of this election cycle. | ||
| I'm Margaret Brennan. | ||
| And I'm Nora O'Donnell. | ||
| And a reminder, there are just 35 days until election day. | ||
| Please get out and vote. | ||
| And for all of us here at CBS News, thank you. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There it is, the handshake. | ||
| Yeah, sort of a blast from the past. | ||
| If you're old enough, or if you've watched it, that is how most presidential debates used to be before Donald Trump. | ||
| Before Donald Trump made them awesome. | ||
| Oh, there's Usha. | ||
| Oh, so lovely. | ||
| Yeah, this is how presidential debates used to be. | ||
| Mitt Romney and Obama, John McCain and Obama, Bush and Kerry, Bush and Gore. | ||
| That's how debates used to be. | ||
| They were very wonky, very civil, very boring, no fireworks. | ||
| That's just how it is. | ||
| And I think that probably favors Democrats. | ||
| Because I think that, you know, here's what we have to understand. | ||
| These debates are not happening in a vacuum. | ||
| They're happening in the context of an intense environment of media programming. | ||
| So if you watch CBS or ABC or NBC on a typical night, it is constant, unceasing, over-the-top liberal propaganda about climate change, about democracy, about shootings, about race. | ||
| And so if the debate is a wonky, boring debate, Well, the rules have already been defined. | ||
| The victory condition has already been defined by the moderators. | ||
| And a presidential candidate can't articulate and promulgate a completely alternative worldview with the economy of the speaking time they have in the debate. | ||
| You can't answer a question about You know, they ask about climate change. | ||
| You can't repudiate climate change in a presidential debate, but yet somehow you're supposed to answer satisfactorily about climate change-related policy. | ||
| It's a massive disadvantage. | ||
| And what Trump understood uniquely—here's why I'm arguing for the Trump style. | ||
| Is that you're not only fighting the opponent, you're also fighting the media. | ||
| You're also fighting this matrix, this created reality that the population inhabits because the media is biased, because the ecosystem is saturated by the other side. | ||
| The only way to punch through that is with tactics. | ||
| It's with bombastic rhetoric. | ||
| It's with very strong, bold, and a kind of like shamelessness that Trump has. | ||
| It's a lack of self-awareness, where Trump would come in and say, they're raping everybody, climate change is a hoax, this and that, and it was bold, he's not thinking twice, he's not looking over his shoulder, it's not filled with self-doubt or self-consciousness. | ||
| He said, he asserted the worldview that his followers believe in, and yeah, liberals don't agree with that, and it's going to be shocking to liberals, and they're going to make faces, and they're going to go, ugh, they're going to scoff at it. | ||
| But he bypassed the moderators, bypassed the media, bypassed the ecosystem. | ||
| And I think that's how he was able to hijack the media and make it effective for a Republican. | ||
| What Vance demonstrated in this debate is, I think, really the weakness of the Republican program. | ||
| They ask about climate change, and Vance comes in with this kind of like, well, let's say for the sake of argument that climate change is real and has something to do with emissions. | ||
| And he goes, because I don't want to get into science, because you know, again, you're not winning that one. | ||
| You're not overturning that in this debate. | ||
| He goes, well, if all that is true, well, Then we need to reshore manufacturing? | ||
| And then Walls gives the correct answer, the liberal correct answer on how we're going to fix climate change. | ||
| And same thing on school shootings. | ||
| School shootings, if we're being honest, that's not actually the biggest threat that people are facing. | ||
| When it comes to guns and when it comes to public safety, the big problem is black people in major cities. | ||
| Everyone knows that. | ||
| Are you more afraid of going to a classroom because a white kid's going to show up with a gun? | ||
| Are you more afraid of going on public transportation, any major city at night, leaving a car parked unattended with luggage inside of it? | ||
| Obviously, it's the latter. | ||
| Well, what's the more imminent common problem? | ||
| It's that. | ||
| It's a lack of policing because of race. | ||
| So when they set up the question, what are you going to do about school shootings, what does Vance say? | ||
| Vance says, well, it's really terrible, and we all want to fix it. | ||
| The question is how, and we need more security in schools. | ||
| It's like, well, we really don't. | ||
| You know, we have 400 million guns in the country. | ||
| We have 350 million people. | ||
| People are gonna get guns, and they're gonna do bad stuff with them. | ||
| Consequently, the vast majority of the people that do those things are black people, and it's typically gang-related, and it's not antisocial, mass casualty violence or mental illness. | ||
| It's low IQ, black people, no fathers in the home, that kind of thing. | ||
| And so you understand that instead of, like, reframing the question in a punchy, sensational, provocative way, in an incisive way, with rhetoric, Vance does this kind of, like, self-conscious, self-hating, like, hey, I know Republicans suck on the issue, but look, school shootings are what they are, we need to fortify the schools. | ||
| This is an answer that really does nothing for Republicans, because liberals have the better answer, given the premise which liberals set. | ||
| Liberals set the table and then they come in with the correct offering, with the better offering. | ||
| A Republican like Vance comes in, acknowledges, hey, you know, I know everyone hates us and we suck, but here's what we're going to say anyway. | ||
| It's a losing position. | ||
| And of course, Walz comes in with the better answer. | ||
| Yeah, well, maybe Vance doesn't want school shootings. | ||
| I probably believe him. | ||
| But that's not enough. | ||
| We need to do more. | ||
| The NRA. | ||
| And yeah, that's the correct answer to the loaded question. | ||
| And it's like that on all of it. | ||
| It's like that with climate change, school shootings, democracy, all that stuff. | ||
| Abortion. | ||
| You could be as clever as you want. | ||
| That is the death of good politics, is trying to be too clever and trying to be too self-aware and too self-conscious and finding the smart pivot. | ||
| I felt that way about Vivek. | ||
| I'm saying the same thing about Vance. | ||
| And again, I think Vance is very articulate. | ||
| I think his answers are good if you're a Republican already, but the answers are not They're not exciting. | ||
| They're not showstoppers. | ||
| The rhetoric is not strong at all. | ||
| It wasn't strong. | ||
| It was weak. | ||
| It was conciliatory. | ||
| It was appeasing. | ||
| It was far too technical in parts. | ||
| No flair. | ||
| No style. | ||
| Not authentic. | ||
| Not really winning any points. | ||
| You know, and you got to keep in mind, too, the Democrats have tarred Vance as like a fat weirdo. | ||
| And he comes in self-aware, thinking I have to prove to them I'm normal. | ||
| Yeah, you kinda overdid it. | ||
| It's like, if you come in too self-conscious, kind of with a pleading, desperate appeal, trying to get people to like you, it has a repellent effect. | ||
| I don't think he did an adequate job. | ||
| I think Walls did a good job. | ||
| I think they both gave fine performances. | ||
| I don't think either of them won. | ||
| I don't think either of them lost. | ||
| Vance didn't lose. | ||
| Walls didn't lose. | ||
| Neither of them really won. | ||
| Who gave better answers? | ||
| I would say Vance probably gave more articulate, technically better answers. | ||
| But I think because the table is set in a certain way, I think Walls won more issues. | ||
| I think given the slate of issues, climate change, abortion, school shootings, childcare, these are all issues that play well for liberals. | ||
| These are all issues that play well to big government, nurturing feminine liberals, What's the answer for healthcare? | ||
| Take care of everybody. | ||
| What's the answer for childcare? | ||
| Take care of everybody. | ||
| What's the answer for school shootings? | ||
| Take away the guns. | ||
| It's not the 80s anymore. | ||
| What's the answer for climate change? | ||
| It's real, but... | ||
| So the table was set, Walls did an adequate job playing like the white liberal, you know. | ||
| That's their version of the race card now is to find like a token folksy white male to talk to the white people that they all fucking hate in the states they need to win. | ||
| So yeah, I think Vance—and look, I don't like Vance at all. | ||
| I think he's a fraud. | ||
| I think a lot of what he's saying, he just—that became his opinion recently out of political necessity, so I don't believe anything he's saying. | ||
| He's obviously very intelligent, very articulate, I think too clever for his own good. | ||
| I think on a technical basis, on points, his answers are probably better. | ||
| Again, I think, though, the way the table is set with the issues, Walls is more authentic. | ||
| I think he played his part well. | ||
| He fumbled a little bit. | ||
| It was sloppy. | ||
| This is clearly not a strong suit. | ||
| But I don't think either of them scored any home runs. | ||
| Nothing memorable. | ||
| No big moment. | ||
| Lame. | ||
| And, you know, when it's like that, I think Republicans lose. | ||
| If you don't have a, what do they call it in Latin America? | ||
| The strongman. | ||
| If you don't have the big personality on the Republican side, if you're not, if you don't have that Trump effect, I think it's just devastating for Republicans. | ||
| I don't think they win that. | ||
| And here's why. | ||
| Democrats rely on young people, women, and non-whites. | ||
| You're fucking never winning those people because non-white people don't watch the stuff and they don't know. | ||
| Women are retarded. | ||
| Young people are retarded. | ||
| The Democrats basically have a coalition of, like, retarded voters. | ||
| It's like idealistic young kids who are like, just give everyone everything, man, and be nice. | ||
| Non-white people, like, who even knows how much of this stuff they even understand? | ||
| Women, as you know, women are totally emotional, too empathetic. | ||
| They're just never going to vote for, like, what needs to be done. | ||
| And so what you're left with is Republicans and Democrats kind of playing a turnout game, maybe fighting for some white people in the middle. | ||
| And so it's really the Republicans' job to fire up the base to compete with the built-in advantage that Democrats have. | ||
| Democrats are turning out The blacks, young people and women, especially with early voting, especially with in-person absentee, it's the Republicans' job to get their white people fired up, convinced, excited to vote on election day because that's when they vote. | ||
| And if you're not big, if you're not, if it's not strong, if it's not sensational, if you're not earning media by being provocative, I think you're behind. | ||
| So Here's the thing. | ||
| Trump came in, changed politics forever, he changed the rules of the game, he reinvented the Republican playbook, and he found a way to win. | ||
| I think Republicans, the reality is, we're getting to a point where there's not a map for Republicans to win. | ||
| There's just too many non-whites in Texas. | ||
| There's too many non-whites in Georgia. | ||
| There's too many non-whites in Florida. | ||
| Well, not Florida, I should say. | ||
| Republicans can win Florida. | ||
| But as time goes on, it's just becoming literally, mathematically impossible for Republicans to win. | ||
| We were declining, probably dying. | ||
| Trump reinvented the playbook, found a way for Republicans to win, and that was by Attacking a vulnerability with the Democrats, which was the white males and maybe whites in general, that they had forgotten about with the race-based politics in the Rust Belt. | ||
| That was the playbook. | ||
| And it's almost like we just forgot the wisdom of Trump 16. | ||
| And the wisdom of Trump 16 was be big, be unapologetic, be provocative, appeal to those | ||
| middle American radicals, be a populist. | ||
| Those were that was really the playbook. | ||
| And it wasn't just substance. | ||
| It was also the style. | ||
| The two were married. | ||
| Trump ism is inseparable from Trump. | ||
| We now know that after the failure of DeSantis. | ||
| And so when I see someone like Vance, it's like, why are Republicans fighting so hard | ||
| to forget the winning playbook from 16? | ||
| Why are they? | ||
| Why is there this amnesia? | ||
| Trump won. | ||
| He showed us the way. | ||
| And they want to go back to when we were losing. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| We got Republicans got destroyed in 18. | ||
| They got destroyed in 20. | ||
| They got destroyed in 2022. | ||
| And that's because in every one of those elections, you add Trump or Republicans in general running the conventional playbook that never won. | ||
| Here we are again. | ||
| Here we are again, Vance saying literally, I know everyone hates us on abortion. | ||
| We need to be better. | ||
| Like, get this guy the fuck out of here. | ||
| Like, you have no political instincts. | ||
| You can't say that. | ||
| It's like, we gotta do a better job at earning your trust. | ||
| Hey, idiot, that's like what the campaign is for, dummy. | ||
| Also, do you think these screeching liberal harpies, you think you're going to earn their trust after you call them cat ladies? | ||
| You think a stupid bitch like Taylor Swift, who says, and by the way, sign sincerely a cat lady. | ||
| You think she's watching the debate attentively? | ||
| And Van says, we got to earn her trust. | ||
| And Taylor Swift is going to go, Oh, okay. | ||
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| Like this, that it just belies the reality that we all know is there. | ||
| But he just doesn't get it. | ||
| So, you know, but that's the problem with these political chameleons. | ||
| Unlike Trump, they're not willing to take risks. | ||
| They don't have that instinct. | ||
| They don't have the touch. | ||
| They don't have the tact, the feel. | ||
| They don't have that gut instinct of what to say and what levers to pull, what buttons to push. | ||
| So Vance is getting up there trying to say all the right things desperately, and guess what he's doing? | ||
| Too clever. | ||
| Trying to win a liberal frame that is already set against you. | ||
| It's a game you can't win. | ||
| What's the answer to school shootings? | ||
| White school shooters. | ||
| Fortify the schools. | ||
| Losing answer. | ||
| What's the answer to climate change? | ||
| Well, assuming it's real, reshore manufacturing. | ||
| Like, yeah, I mean, I guess. | ||
| So you know like on a technical level people could people can analyze the strikes and the and the passes and the catches and things like and on a technical level I think he gave a sound performance again he's clever he's intelligent but if you're looking at kind of the the game sense if you're kind of looking at the meta the like state of the game He doesn't get it. | ||
| He's not Trump. | ||
| And again, for the same reasons people say it's a good debate because it was civil, conciliatory, fact-based, policy-focused. | ||
| All of those things don't favor Republicans because the media has set the table with their chosen facts, their chosen issues, matrix of information. | ||
| A question like the state of democracy? | ||
| I mean, what the fuck kind of question is that? | ||
| We move on to the topic of the state of democracy. | ||
| Like, what does that even mean? | ||
| That's a way for them to say, what about when Trump denied the election? | ||
| And it's like, look, and Vance rightly pointed out, but he also didn't hit it hard enough in a simple way. | ||
| It's like, okay, let's talk about it. | ||
| We have elections. | ||
| They're so important that they ship ballots out to every voter, and then people throw them in a box in the middle of the park, and then they collect them, and no one can ask questions about it. | ||
| Nice democracy. | ||
| And it's like, that's something that Vance should have said in a way that was punchy and simple, in simple language, slowly and provocative. | ||
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Instead, he's like, well, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, free speech. | |
| And it's like it was too clever, too technical, the table set against you, you know, and that's just the ecosystem you're in. | ||
| The only way to fight is to bypass it with strong counterattacks, punch them in the face, catch them off guard in a way that isn't self-conscious. | ||
| That's like what I would say. | ||
| Let's talk about the stage of democracy. | ||
| It's like, yeah, let's. | ||
| You have a war going on, they ban people from talking about it. | ||
| You had a pandemic, they forced people to get a vaccine, and you'd be fired if you didn't take it, and they banned you from talking about it. | ||
| Like that, that's the kind of element that I'd go for, but it's using strong, punchy language, strong, forceful, with gravitas, not this like, well, look, the Harris-Biden administration, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Okay, you lost me. | ||
| Fucking boring. | ||
| So, anyway. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I thought the debate was... It's a nothing. | ||
| I mean, look. | ||
| How much will this impact the election? | ||
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| Like, nothing. | ||
| But it's interesting just to see because Vance Is maybe the best possible example of what a post-Trump Republican Party looks like, given that he's the vice president, and therefore, if Trump wins, the heir apparent. | ||
| But he's also a senator that got elected in a now Republican state that used to be a swing state after the Trump loss in 2020. | ||
| He's somebody that is promulgating a MAGA doctrine, but without the kind of Trump Affectation. | ||
| So maybe more than anything else, the debate doesn't say anything about the election, but it does give us a clue into what Vance is about and what the GOP might what the factions are going to look like after Trump exits the scene, whether it's in 2025 or 2029. | ||
| 2025 or 2029 and it's not looking good. | ||
| So that's kind of my review of the debate. | ||
| It's interesting, though, that Walls is such a throwback. | ||
| He sounds like Obama in 2008. | ||
| He goes, I talked to farmers and these aren't Green New Deal people. | ||
| He literally attacked the green. | ||
| I don't know if it was an attack, but it wasn't really like a kind way to reference it. | ||
| He kind of hit the far left with the Green New Deal. | ||
| He said, look, I'm a gun owner and I used to have a shotgun in my car. | ||
| They're clearly embracing a more cultural conservatism. | ||
| That, Walz, as the vice president, is kind of a commentary on how clearly both parties recognize the need to appeal to white people and that white people are very culturally conservative. | ||
| They, you know, they want to take guns, but they also like guns. | ||
| And they, they're not racist, but they also think immigration is a problem and they love America like they're deeply patriotic. | ||
| So there is this kind of reluctant acceptance that whites are still a deciding factor in the country, which is why both parties have to appoint a kind of folksy minstrel show as their vice president. | ||
| In both cases, they're kind of fake. | ||
| So, I mean, that may be my only other observation, but we're going to move on. | ||
| We're going to take a look at the Super Chats. | ||
| We'll see what you guys have to say about all this, about this debate. | ||
| Pretty good viewership tonight. | ||
| We had almost 30,000 live viewers, so Not quite as big as the presidential debate, which is to be expected. | ||
| This one is far lamer. | ||
| But pretty big stream, so thanks everybody for tuning in. | ||
| Like I said at the top of the stream, I'm going to be back here tomorrow at 8 o'clock central for my normal show. | ||
| Tomorrow I'm going to be talking all about the Israel-Iran war, which looks like it just kicked off today. | ||
| And I talked a little bit about it before the debate, so if you want to get it right away, you can watch the replay of the stream, because I talked about it at the beginning. | ||
| But we'll cover it in depth tomorrow night on the show. | ||
| So make sure to subscribe if you're on your way out. | ||
| If you don't want to listen to the Super Chats, smash the follow button. | ||
| Tune in tomorrow. | ||
| We're going to have a big show talking about Iran and Israel. | ||
| This stupid debate got in the way of it. | ||
| Alright, but we're going to move on. | ||
| We're going to look at our Super Chats. | ||
| We'll see what you guys have to say about it. | ||
| Uh, nah, I think it's dumb. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| Do you like Warhammer 40k at all, Nick? | ||
| Uh, nah, I think it's dumb. | ||
| Imgina Grape sent $5. | ||
| Nick, women suck, Super Chat. | ||
| Women suck, Nick. | ||
| You cringe piece of shit, kill yourself and stop watching. | ||
| That's not true, I've never, I would never say that. | ||
| OnlyGroip sent $5. | ||
| Couldn't help but notice you using the Shroud of Turin to debunk Islam and Judaism last night. | ||
| OnlyGroip vindicated? | ||
| Jesus won. | ||
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| Let's go! | ||
| Thank you very much, Christine. | ||
| Well, good luck with the pierogies and kielbasa. | ||
| We are out with the pierogi and kielbasa truck tonight. | ||
| Let's go! | ||
| W, getting hungry? We'll watch later. | ||
| So I don't wear hats, only visors. | ||
| But here's $40. Add it to the Fuentes campaign. | ||
| Thank you very much, Christine. | ||
| Well, good luck with the pierogis and kielbasa. | ||
| I'm gonna, if we make it out to Pennsylvania in the Griper War, | ||
| I might have to make a stop in Ohio, visit your Polish restaurant. | ||
| I gotta give it a try. | ||
| I am getting hungry. | ||
| I haven't eaten since this morning, actually, so that sounds pretty good right about now. | ||
| But thanks for the super chat. | ||
| Maybe we can make you a custom visor. | ||
| You know, you're a big enough supporter of the show. | ||
| Maybe we'll look into that. | ||
| I don't know if this company that we have, I don't know if they make them. | ||
| Maybe we'll make a visor for all the MAGA moms. | ||
| Playing pickleball and golf and stuff like that. | ||
| That'd be kind of fun, right? | ||
| We gotta do something for the ten women that watch the show. | ||
| Can you talk more about that? | ||
| I hate when people say it like that. | ||
| Uh, yeah. | ||
| that our moral behavior has impact on outcomes in the world. | ||
| Can you talk more about that? | ||
| Can you talk more about that? I hate when people say it like that. | ||
| Yeah. What I mean by that is, one, I think that God does punish and reward us in time, | ||
| as well as in the afterlife, based on our moral actions, you know? | ||
| Of course, people understand that our sins will be paid for in the afterlife, in purgatory or in hell, and the idea is that sin cannot enter heaven. | ||
| So if the judgment that you face immediately after death sends you to heaven, but you have sins that have not been atoned for yet, you go through purgatory and your sins are painfully burned off before the final judgment at the end of the world when you then enter heaven. | ||
| Or you go to hell. | ||
| And so there's a punishment, all of the sins that you commit in your life, venial sins or mortal sins, they are dealt with one way or another in the afterlife. | ||
| You pay for all of them. | ||
| And they're paid for in some way. | ||
| The sins that you don't repent for, you either pay for them in purgatory or you are tortured for them in hell. | ||
| And the sins that you repent for are ultimately paid for by Christ's sacrifice on the cross. | ||
| So if you die in a state of grace and let's say you have no venial sins, the sins, you still commit sins in your life. | ||
| And they're forgiven, but they're still paid for by the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. | ||
| Nobody was getting into heaven before Christ died on the cross. | ||
| When people died, they went to purgatory, they went to limbo, they went to hell. | ||
| And that's why when Christ died on the cross, he then descended into hell, liberated everyone in hell, and then was resurrected. | ||
| So they're all paid for, and that's a big concept in Christianity, is that every sin is paid for. | ||
| And people have this disconnect where they think that sins in the world have no punishment in the world. | ||
| But of course, sins also have a temporal punishment. | ||
| And what I mean by that is, if you do something immoral, you pay for it in the afterlife, you also pay for it in the world. | ||
| And we have a basic understanding of this. | ||
| You have guilt, you have remorse, regret, shame, and also immoral behavior. | ||
| It poisons your soul. | ||
| It also poisons your body. | ||
| There's a reason it's immoral. | ||
| Sins are not profitable in any way. | ||
| They're not profitable for your soul, but they're also not profitable for you as a person. | ||
| So, for example, Let's say you have sex outside of marriage. | ||
| And a lot of people say, how could that be wrong? | ||
| Love is a beautiful thing. | ||
| Sex is a beautiful thing. | ||
| How could it be wrong for people to have sex just because it's outside of marriage? | ||
| Well, what does it create? | ||
| In many cases, it produces what people call an unplanned pregnancy, which leads to abortion. | ||
| If the couple splits after they have sex, it emotionally and spiritually wounds the people in the relationship. | ||
| And after one premarital sexual partner, the odds of a future divorce go up very high. | ||
| It's a much higher percentage of people that get divorced with each successive premarital sexual partner. | ||
| So there is a punishment meted out. | ||
| And by the way, So if there are punishments for sins in the afterlife, and if there are punishments for individual sins in the world, well obviously if lots of people in society are committing sins, then society is going to start to break apart. | ||
| Case in point, our society is godless. | ||
| People don't believe in God, they don't go to church, sexual immorality is rampant, but there's also laziness, there's disrespect for the parents and for traditions, there's a lack of temperance, there's a lack of prudence. | ||
| People's behavior is out of control. | ||
| People are out of control. | ||
| They recognize no moral authority. | ||
| There is no integrity. | ||
| There is no honesty. | ||
| There's no doing good for the sake of doing good. | ||
| And first and foremost, it comes from a lack of love and fear of God. | ||
| That's where it all springs from. | ||
| And so here's the point. | ||
| We're in this crisis in our civilization and people look at the disaster and they say, how do we fix it? | ||
| And they say, well, we have to take up arms. | ||
| We have to get into politics. | ||
| We have to, we have to do all these things. | ||
| But they persist in immoral behavior. | ||
| They still don't go to church. | ||
| They still don't believe in God. | ||
| They still don't atone for their sins. | ||
| They still don't respect their parents. | ||
| They still go out and have promiscuous sex. | ||
| Or they abuse drugs. | ||
| And all the other things. | ||
| And so what I said the other night is people think that we're going to fix the country without really addressing the root crisis. | ||
| There is something spiritual going on and people can recognize that. | ||
| It's not that complicated. | ||
| It's like, take an issue like immigration, for example. | ||
| Why do we have so much immigration? | ||
| It's because people aren't having kids. | ||
| Why are people not having kids? | ||
| Because they're not getting married. | ||
| And when they have sex, they're doing it with contraceptives. | ||
| Because they're selfish. | ||
| Why are people selfish? | ||
| Why do people break the rules of sexuality, of moral sexuality? | ||
| Because they don't believe in God. | ||
| Because on some level, they don't believe in God. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| They think that it's antiquated, the idea that you get married and have a bunch of kids, as opposed to planning your pregnancy and using contraceptives and getting a girlfriend or a long-term partner and having sex out of wedlock. | ||
| They don't believe in God. | ||
| They don't observe the rules. | ||
| Or they're selfish and they put themselves over their future children or their spouse or their future whatever, progeny. | ||
| They abuse themselves because they don't look at themselves as created in the image of God and sexuality having a purpose. | ||
| And it's deeply philosophical. | ||
| And spiritual. | ||
| But of course it has these massive societal effects. | ||
| And you think about it this way. | ||
| If everybody was acting like a perfect Catholic, society would be fixed. | ||
| Perfectly. | ||
| But people have kind of gotten cynical and they say, well, why would I behave morally when nobody else is? | ||
| Well, if I started behaving morally and I stopped sinning, well, everybody else would keep being allowed to sin and I want to sin too. | ||
| And so it's like, well, you're complicit then. | ||
| I hear that from like Pearl Davis. | ||
| Pearl Davis says, well, we can't be chased. | ||
| We can't. | ||
| That's old fashioned and no one is doing it. | ||
| And this is just the way it is. | ||
| It's like, okay, so you're part of the problem. | ||
| Why would you expect things to get better? | ||
| Who's going to be a part of the solution? | ||
| If you won't even be a part of it, where are all these angels that are going to start behaving better and make the country the way it needs to be? | ||
| So it starts with taking moral accountability on an individual level and doing things, doing the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing. | ||
| And only then, I think, can we inspire the kind of reform and embody the kind of will and spirit that be required to change civilization. | ||
| If it's a bunch of, like, faggots and degenerates and, you know, junkies and freaks and weirdos, And they're behaving with these anti-civilizational behaviors, but they're making all the right arguments. | ||
| Like, we're doomed. | ||
| It's never gonna happen. | ||
| And here's the point. | ||
| It's like, Muslims, Israelis, they're deadly serious. | ||
| They're living it. | ||
| Like, the Jews are very serious about having kids because they have a theological conviction in their promised land and the chosenness and their role in creation and salvation of the world. | ||
| Like, they take that very seriously and they live it and they're deadly serious. | ||
| You have people that call themselves white nationalists, and they marry Asians and Hispanics. | ||
| You have people that call themselves white nationalists, and they're just, like, complete degenerates. | ||
| They're complete, like, vagabonds and just, like, simpletons. | ||
| And it's like, okay, so, if, like, they don't bring the seriousness to the table to even compete against the other forces. | ||
| Let alone to do anything on their own, independently of that. | ||
| So that's what I meant. | ||
| It starts with accountability. | ||
| Frogzipping sent $5, nothing ever happens and nothing will ever happen ever. | ||
| Ah, that didn't age well. | ||
| Frogzipping sent $5, to think we could have hit Doug Burgum but we're stuck with whatever | ||
| makes sense, chud. | ||
| Pathetic. | ||
| Yeah, for real. | ||
| He wouldn't have been much better. | ||
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No, it's totally evil. | |
| His whole life is wicked and evil. | ||
| I don't understand the hate for Hub's life. Papa Beer hit up Chili's with the boys. Seems valid DBH. | ||
| No, it's totally evil. It's absolutely... his whole life is wicked and evil. He should be arrested. | ||
| Bobby Johnson sent $5. Looking forward to the next pronunciation of Daniel's last name. | ||
| Hockey. | ||
| Thanksgiving dinner. | ||
| It was two days before Thanksgiving, so they had a Thanksgiving menu. | ||
| They had turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes, crab cocktail for an appetizer. | ||
| And then, I forget what we had for dessert. | ||
| beef. Gilbert sent $5. Nick, what did you eat at Mar-a-Lago? | ||
| Thanksgiving dinner. It was two days before Thanksgiving, so they had a Thanksgiving menu. | ||
| They had turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes, crab cocktail for an appetizer. And then I | ||
| forget what we had for dessert. I think they had pie. So yeah, good times. | ||
| Imagine eating in front of Donald Trump. | ||
| I forgot how to eat, like, with a fork. | ||
| I was like, how do I eat now? | ||
| Imagine—do you know how self-conscious of, like, chewing and stuff like that? | ||
| You're sitting across the table from Trump and Kanye, and you're, like, trying to eat your turkey. | ||
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You're trying to eat your turkey and stuffing. | |
| It's like you forget how to be a person. | ||
| But I clutched up. | ||
| I ate normally. | ||
| I ate normally and and it was fine, you know, but it was it was a very deliberate effort. | ||
| I was like, okay, act normal. | ||
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Act natural. | |
| That's our merch from Athpak 4. | ||
| AGNATURAL Can you buy that one black t-shirt you wore on the stream? | ||
| BBnet and Yahoo addressed Congress. It said New Israel with Christchurch on it. | ||
| Shirt was, fire. Thanks King. | ||
| That's our merch from AFFPAC4. | ||
| Maybe we'll sell something similar in the future. | ||
| Chad King Prime sent $5. | ||
| Bro, it's me again. | ||
| BMW's been in the shop getting a new turbo, so I haven't had much to chat about. | ||
| How's it going? | ||
| Yeah, I am good. | ||
| Just spent $1,000 at Vineyard Vines last weekend. | ||
| Waste. | ||
| Presley Fee. | ||
| Whale greater than Polo Pony? | ||
| I wish Henry Ford made drip. | ||
| Waste. | ||
| Vineyard Vines is gay. | ||
| I would never. | ||
| I have like one outfit from Vineyard Vines. | ||
| I had to buy it because I was in a pinch. | ||
| I had to get an outfit for this dinner and it was the only store open. | ||
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But I hate that whole, like, prep look. | |
| That, like, Republican frat golf club or, uh, country club look. | ||
| I hate it. | ||
| It's so, like, Southern-coded. | ||
| Chad King Prime sent $5. | ||
| $1,347. | ||
| Pants sag and you can see my giant, Joey. | ||
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Right. | |
| DS sent $5. | ||
| You really let a random woman journalist into your studio and doxed your location to her? | ||
| Nobody's buying it. | ||
| I did. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| I'll see. | ||
| percent $5 another great show from Emerald Green Prince. | ||
| Thanks Hilton head grow a percent $20 I'm very concerned about the | ||
| possibility of American conscription. Dick Durbin says it should be illegals, which is worse. As possible. Ron | ||
| sent $7 October is dedicated to the rosary. October 7 is the feast | ||
| of Our Lady of the Holy Rosary. This month, I will be praying to | ||
| Our Lady for her intercession for salvation of mankind and for | ||
| all to know Christ. Will you please join me in prayer Latin cross. I don't know if I could do one every day. That's | ||
| that's Rosary every day? | ||
| I mean, look, I pray every day. | ||
| I pray over every meal. | ||
| And I pray every day. | ||
| But rosary's pretty intense. | ||
| You know? | ||
| That's a big one. | ||
| But, uh, yeah. | ||
| Maybe I'll do a decade. | ||
| But it's a lot of repetition. | ||
| It's not for everybody. | ||
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Okay, thanks. | |
| Noah Kirchner sent $5. Noah Kirchner and Bob Allen, research it. Extremely important. | ||
| Okay, thanks. | ||
| Kayak. | ||
| Griper sent $5. Vance's answer to the first question was for Israel to decide whatever makes sense. | ||
| Yeah, literal Israel plants. | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh my gosh, dude. | ||
| No, I'm not playing your stupid fucking game. | ||
| While we're watching history repeat itself, Europa slash Weimar style, have you tried Helldivers 2 at all? | ||
| Feels like a good way to practice crushing the globalists in-game in-app. | ||
| I thought I heard you using diver verbiage as the reason I asked, smile. | ||
| No, I'm not playing your stupid fucking game. | ||
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As we watch history repeat itself, Weimar style. | |
| Fuck off, dude. | ||
| Who writes trash? | ||
| Yeah, literally, student council debate. | ||
| Yeah, be careful. | ||
| He's Mexican. | ||
| Yeah, he did about as well as I thought he would. | ||
| Morsey sent $5. Chad Champion laced my shi. Yeah, be careful. Justin sent $5. These niggas boring. | ||
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Vance did better than I thought he would. Yeah, he did about as well as I thought he would. | |
| Crypto fanatic one sent $5. If you are correct, that means 16 million Jews play 3 billion Europeans | ||
| and Muslims like a fiddle, which makes them a superior race. | ||
| Not quite. It's just that they are one, empowered by the devil. | ||
| Two, they're far more organized than the white people. | ||
| It certainly makes, um, the most competitive. | ||
| You can't argue with that. | ||
| Crypt. | ||
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Oops. | |
| Duplicate. | ||
| Justin sent $5. | ||
| These moderators are fags. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Too ugly. | ||
| I can never be friends with someone that ugly. | ||
| Sorry to hear that, man. | ||
| Hope you're doing well. | ||
| I know you don't like working out, but I think you'd be surprised how much people love Sal Bra. | ||
| Too ugly. I can never be friends with someone that ugly. | ||
| American Nacho said $5. Been without power for days. | ||
| My stopping grounds doesn't exist anymore. It's been wiped out. | ||
| Family is safe, but I just keep seeing these fucking assholes posting about how they stand with Israel and it's pissing | ||
| me off. | ||
| Sorry to hear that, man. Hope you're doing well. | ||
| Well, you're not doing well, but... | ||
| I hope you're getting along okay. | ||
| Hang in there, man. | ||
| It's terrible what's going on down there. | ||
| I didn't know that was so far inland. | ||
| I saw... I heard about this hurricane and then I looked at the map and it's like... I don't even understand how that's possible for that much devastation that far inland. | ||
| Pretty crazy. | ||
| Thanks for the big super chat! | ||
| are there. | ||
| Yeah, he's gonna win California too. | ||
| Yeah, those were the days. | ||
| Thanks for the big super chat. | ||
| I don't know your docs. | ||
| I'm like an animal. | ||
| I'm doing tricks. | ||
| Name this. | ||
| Florida Groipa sent $100. Hey man, duxed myself so many times at this point lolo well. | ||
| Thanks for the big super chat. I don't know your docs. | ||
| Slackroiper sent $5. Name one way in which blacks hurt whites and one way that whites hurt blacks. | ||
| Uh, I'm not telling what are you I'm like an animal. I'm doing tricks for name this name. | ||
| How about I'm not naming anything. | ||
| America first sent $5. I'm naming the Jew. | ||
| violent statistics being a victim of Don't be barking orders at me! | ||
| Name this, name that! | ||
| Don't be barking orders at me! | ||
| Don't be barking orders at me! | ||
| Especially not if you're black. | ||
| Being a victim of a school shooting is to a woman having an abortion due to complications, | ||
| as getting shot by a black person is to a woman getting an abortion out of convenience. | ||
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True! | |
| Free him! | ||
| Free Arthur! | ||
| Look, I really like fried chicken, okay? | ||
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| We are $5. We know you're in denial, but your face is actually getting puffy nigga | ||
| Look, I really like fried chicken. Okay. I like fried chicken. I like pizza | ||
| Let's say it's full I have a full face. | ||
| My face is very full. | ||
| Boogly woogly sent $10. Waltz definitely slipped bad on optics. Every time Vance winded up an attack, Waltz jerked | ||
| his head sharply in his direction. | ||
| Constant staring into the camera with uncertainty and even fear. Every olive branch Vance offered him, he was too | ||
| eager to accept. | ||
| Yeah, I think you're wrong about all that. | ||
| Based Cro-Shetter sent $20. | ||
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30k! | |
| Huge! | ||
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| Whatever makes sense. | ||
| 30K live. | ||
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| Huge stream. | ||
| Can't believe they missed the Mossad HQ. | ||
| Bruh, you had one job. | ||
| I know, it's crazy. | ||
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| Will you criticize your religion? | ||
| All religions are a path to reach God. | ||
| There are, I make a comparison, like different languages, different idioms, to get there. | ||
| But God is God for everyone. | ||
| Pope Francis. | ||
| Okay, first of all, I reject the premise of like, will you criticize your, | ||
| Look, if you believe your religion is true, then it's the... | ||
| What are we gonna say? | ||
| Well, in fairness, he critiques his own religion. | ||
| If you believe your religion is the truth, you're not, like, looking for ways to criticize it. | ||
| That's one. | ||
| So, fucktard Reddit mindset. | ||
| Two, Pope Francis is not the religion, and everything he says is not infallible. | ||
| And if you think it is, then you know nothing about Catholicism, so... | ||
| It's not hard to see what happened there. | ||
| She's deeply concerned about losing the platforms. | ||
| She's pivoting to less controversial topics. | ||
| It's not rocket. | ||
| We don't need to be conspiracy theorists. | ||
| Harris not really being black for a week. | ||
| Do you think she made a deal to shill for the election? | ||
| It's not hard to see what happened there. | ||
| She's deeply concerned about losing the platforms. | ||
| She's pivoting to less controversial topics. | ||
| It's not rocket. | ||
| We don't need to be conspiracy theorists. | ||
| She went hard, walked it back, got banned anyway. | ||
| In a panic said, I don't want to lose Spotify. | ||
| I don't want to lose YouTube, pivoted to talking about Kamala and this and that. | ||
| I think that's pretty obviously what happened. | ||
| Whatever, it's her prerogative. | ||
| Christine in Ohio sent $5. | ||
| I made it here. | ||
| The debate? | ||
| Boring. | ||
| Vance speaks better than Trump and waltzes better than Biden. | ||
| Vance should have called out the J6 lie and fact-check med costs that Trump set in place. | ||
| The election really is a toss-up. | ||
| So many Harris signs in yards. | ||
| It is. | ||
| All the betting markets say it's 50-50. | ||
| Predicted, Polymarket, Betfair, all of it say it's 50-50. | ||
| I think it's 50-50. | ||
| All the swing states are 50-50. | ||
| The national polling's 50-50. | ||
| It's literally a coin toss. | ||
| And yeah, I mean, look, Vance is well-spoken. | ||
| I think Trump did better. | ||
| Because if you look at the effect that the debate has, Trump going really hard and sensational on immigration gave him a week of earned media. | ||
| Trump literally, in that debate performance, regained the initiative. | ||
| And it's starting to taper, because I think the Chris Lasovitas prevailed in his camp, and I think he's moderating a little bit. | ||
| But that debate, and the ensuing rallies, he owned the media for a week, and immigration was at the top, and Republicans went on that issue. | ||
| And, you know, that's when the betting odds and the polling started to flip again. | ||
| I thought that was actually effective. | ||
| Those clips, those talking points, they forced the conversation and they dominated the media. | ||
| And, you know, that's kind of half the battle with the election. | ||
| So I thought that was more effective. | ||
| I know what you mean though. | ||
| Vance is more articulate and it's more intellectual, but I think with what you're trying to do with the debate, I think it, When push comes to shove, I think it has less impact. | ||
| And that's really what you want to maximize for is impact. | ||
| But I know what you mean. | ||
| And yeah, I think he left a lot on the table with immigration, J6, healthcare, for sure. | ||
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Thanks. | |
| I think I was, actually. | ||
| No message. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| Florida Groipa sent $10. | ||
| Would it be correct to say that at the dinner, you were liked more than all other guests? | ||
| More than yay? | ||
| That's very significant. | ||
| I think I was, actually. | ||
| I think I was the favorite because, you know what, the dinner initially, it was very awkward. | ||
| Okay, because there's one, two, three, four, five people at the dinner. | ||
| There's Trump, yay, me, and then there was this black guy named Jamar, who was like, he was like an engineer, a teacher or something. | ||
| And there was Karen Giorno, who used to work for the Trump campaign of Florida on 16. | ||
| And Milo brought her on. | ||
| This is the dinner table. | ||
| And so, when we get there, you know, the thing is about Ye, which is so, like, endearing, is that he has this big personality, so confident, so, uh, some would say obnoxious, belligerent, you know, but in person he's very anxious. | ||
| And you could see he gets overwhelmed very easily. | ||
| Very apprehensive. | ||
| And I found that so endearing because it's like he's a real human being behind the bravado. | ||
| He really is a very sensitive guy. | ||
| And And even meeting Trump, he looks at Trump as like a big brother. | ||
| Like he loves Trump and admires Trump. | ||
| And Trump's like a hero of his. | ||
| He deeply loves Trump. | ||
| And so I could tell when we were at the dinner, he was, it was a little apprehensive. | ||
| And so we were at the dinner table. | ||
| Initially, Ye was like not talking at all. | ||
| He was just like nervous, like a little boy. | ||
| And Trump was trying to make conversation with them, trying to make conversation about politics, about music, about different things, and Ye was just not giving them anything, not talkative at all. | ||
| And if you've seen Ye on the talk shows, you maybe are familiar with this. | ||
| Like when he was on with Jimmy Kimmel, he's giving like one-word answers, kind of like tapping his feet, kind of nervous. | ||
| It was like that. | ||
| So Trump kind of gave up on Ye and pivoted to Jamar, because Jamar is black, and started talking to Jamar. | ||
| And Jamar is like a fucking idiot. | ||
| And so Trump was like over that. | ||
| I didn't get talked to at all, because I'm like a white guy wearing a hoodie, because I didn't think I would be at the dinner. | ||
| But I kind of jumped into the conversation on a few different things. | ||
| Trump started talking about Ye's polling and things like that. | ||
| And I jumped in and said, well, I don't know. | ||
| I said, and I laid out the argument about his polling and how his favorability is improving with different constituencies. | ||
| And Trump goes, oh, wow. | ||
| So what are you, like a pollster or something? | ||
| I was like, no, I'm working on the campaign. | ||
| He goes, so what do you think about Elon buying X or Twitter, because that had just happened. | ||
| I said, well, you know, his big problem is going to be the ADL and these choke points | ||
| with the software, like Apple specifically in the Google Play Store. | ||
| I said, those are going to be the main roadblocks. | ||
| Those are the bottlenecks, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| So I gave this like really wonky answer and Trump was like, wow, where'd you find this guy? | ||
| And so I just was doing my show. | ||
| I found my rhythm. | ||
| I was in my element. | ||
| I was doing my show in front of Trump and Ye. | ||
| And Ye was like beaming. | ||
| Trump was like, where'd you find this guy? | ||
| And Ye's like, I don't know. | ||
| He's the man. | ||
| So I was like the favorite of the dinner. | ||
| Yeah, I think I kind of, Karen was like resentful and kind of bitchy to Trump. | ||
| I was kind of like the favorite. | ||
| And Trump went out of his way to shake my hand, totally sidestepped Jamar, literally just passed right by him and said, nice meeting you. | ||
| And he said something like, I'll see you around or something. | ||
| I don't know, something like that. | ||
| But yeah, he liked me. | ||
| He definitely liked me. | ||
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So it was awesome. | |
| And, you know, on some level, I'll always deeply love Trump because of what he means to the country. | ||
| And, you know, our destinies have been intertwined in a way for a long time. | ||
| Maybe more so for me than him, but, you know, so I'll always love him in as much as I think he's, his campaign's not doing so well. | ||
| But, but yeah, so that was like a very rewarding moment because I've had dreams about meeting Trump. | ||
| And in my dreams, I cry when I meet him because I'm overwhelmed with emotion. | ||
| And I didn't cry at the dinner, but, but I was absolutely enamored and, And it was mutual. | ||
| And let's just say it was a little bit mutual. | ||
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So 79 cent $25. I'm glad that was I'm glad that that happened | |
| You sound like a goy. | ||
| That's a good one, right? | ||
| Why? | ||
| You should shut the fuck up. | ||
| When did it happen? | ||
| Like two days ago? | ||
| Yesterday we had to cover the invasion of Lebanon. | ||
| one right? Osgroip sent $5. You should be covering the devastation from Hurricane | ||
| Helene Moore and the lack of response from the government. | ||
| Why? This must be 10 times worse than Katrina, but there is silence. You should | ||
| shut the fuck up. When did it happen? Like two days ago? Yesterday we had to cover | ||
| the invasion of Lebanon. Today we have the debate. And honestly, I mean | ||
| stuff like that, I don't I don't I'm not a weatherman. | ||
| I don't cover natural disasters. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| These kinds of, it's horrible. | ||
| It's a shame. | ||
| You know, school shootings, hurricanes, it's not really a political issue. | ||
| And insofar as it is, insofar as it is about the competency of the response, this is administrative stuff. | ||
| It's not really ideological. | ||
| Okay, the federal government's incompetent. | ||
| Okay, the federal government's prioritizing DEI over... Okay, been there, done that, got the t-shirt. | ||
| It's a horrible situation. | ||
| You need to cover that more! | ||
| This is a political analysis show. | ||
| If you want to hear fucking faggot nightly news, watch NBC. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Watch Crowder. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| Well, if you want to hear about the entire history of the Middle East and geopolitics and the geopolitical future of the world order, watch this show. | ||
| If you want to hear about how the Democrats fumbled the response to the hurricane because they're too liberal, you can watch Steven Crowder. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm kind of split on that. | ||
| On the one hand, you're right. | ||
| I don't know, I'm kind of split on that. | ||
| On the one hand, you're right. | ||
| On the other hand, you know, if your mother raises your kids, then if you marry a foreigner, | ||
| your kids are going to be like foreigners. | ||
| I want my kids to be raised by a woman like my mother. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I want my kids to be raised by a woman who's like me. | ||
| Because, you know, really your kids have a deep relationship with their mother. | ||
| So, all you can really do is pick who their mother is. | ||
| And then, you kind of set it in motion. | ||
| And if you marry some foreigner, because I've been thinking about like Argentina. | ||
| Argentina has a 50% poverty rate. | ||
| They have a lot of Italians down there. | ||
| I was thinking I could totally go and rescue some Italian, Argentine woman and who in poverty, who's like, you know, suffering and can't get a job and hungry. | ||
| And I'll say, hey, come to America. | ||
| I'll pay for the groceries, you make the dinner, but then she's gonna be some Spanish-speaking fucking foreigner, you know? | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| I don't even know how I'm gonna get... For me, it's a totally different question, because I'm a freak. | ||
| I'm a freak in every way you can cut it. | ||
| So I don't even know how I'm gonna find a wife. | ||
| But I gotta get working on that. | ||
| Not looking forward to it. | ||
| But... | ||
| For all of you, it's really personal, I guess. | ||
| It depends on what you're looking for. | ||
| For me, I value being American. | ||
| I want to marry an American. | ||
| But at the same time, it's like beggars can't be choosers. | ||
| All the American women are fat, vaxxed, whores, tatted up. | ||
| GrowUp our leader sent $10. | ||
| In between class I listen to your show. | ||
| Recently been feeling like a sleeper agent on campus so thanks for that. | ||
| Thanks for that. | ||
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Cool. | |
| Cool. | ||
| Angela Caballon sent $10. | ||
| W to Knight, Nick, thank you for going in depth on Catholicism. | ||
| I like that you're strong in your faith as am I. | ||
| It shows and I love it. | ||
| One day soon if you'd like we could meet to discuss more on our shared beliefs. | ||
| Keep Christ first always. | ||
| Love ya, heart, smiling face with hearts. | ||
| God bless, celebratory hands in the air. | ||
| Latin cross, USA. | ||
| We wanna meet and hang out? | ||
| Yeah, I don't really just like hang out with everyone that watches the show. | ||
| I appreciate it, but I'm not going to go and hang out with people. | ||
| I know you know me, and you watch me, and you're familiar with me and stuff, but I don't know any of you. | ||
| I'm looking at a camera right now. | ||
| You know, the parasocial thing. | ||
| It's a little weird, but I appreciate the message. | ||
| I don't know if we're gonna hang out. | ||
| No message. | ||
| Sound nice though. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Virginians sent $5. | ||
| You are right, Nick, when you say that Trump is not whining here because people in Virginia | ||
| are very stupid. | ||
| Anyways, 07, God bless. | ||
| It's because they're just super liberal. | ||
| You know, Nova is just too big, like Northern Virginia, suburbs of DC. | ||
| It's all these like Asians, huge Asian immigration. | ||
| And there's a lot of like domestic immigration, like liberals are moving there from DC and | ||
| now they're voting in Virginia. | ||
| So. | ||
| Uh, it's just, it's become a very liberal state. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| So, you know, I think Biden won by like 10 points. | ||
| 10 points. | ||
| If a eagled sent $5, I miss Barry Stanton. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| Anonymous girl sent $5, October 1st, Nick Winter arc? | ||
| Maybe lock it and cut out the fried chicken for a bit. | ||
| Shut up, bitch. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Winter is when you bulk up. | ||
| Winter is when you get big. | ||
| For the winter. | ||
| for the winter, for the cold. | ||
| I'm not gonna talk about that, thank you though. | ||
| FloridaGroipa sent $10, don't listen to that guy about Hurricane Helene, it was bad in some places, after it | ||
| landed even NC got bad flooding and damage, they always get rain. I'm near where it landed and it was kind of a normal | ||
| storm. All hail the maglab. r slash r my city. | ||
| My City. | ||
| I don't know what that last part means. | ||
| Yeah, and I don't know anything about the hurricane, honestly. | ||
| I'm not a meteorologist. | ||
| I'm a political person. | ||
| So... People are saying, like, the hurricane was created by the Democrats. | ||
| It's just, like, crazy. | ||
| I don't know what you want to hear about that. | ||
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I want to hear about how Democrats aren't good at running the government. | |
| It's like, okay, Democrats aren't good at running the government. | ||
| Now what? | ||
| Okay, alright, that's our last Super Chat. | ||
| That's gonna do it for me tonight. | ||
| Yeah, big viewership, good stream, but boring, boring-ass debate. | ||
| Boo. | ||
| Where's Trump? | ||
| Trump is at least a fun debater. | ||
| But that's going to do it for me. | ||
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| Until then, have a great rest of your evening. | ||
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Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo. | |
| It's going to be only America first. | ||
| America first. | ||
| The American people will come first once again. | ||
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