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March 21, 2024 - America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes

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"Mind of Destiny" Turkey Tom Documentary

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candace owens

12:15

destiny steven bonnell

33:40

jordan b peterson

32:33

nick fuentes

01:39:31

streamlabs matthew tts

07:10

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charlamagne tha god

01:30

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dave rubin

00:47

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Speaker	Time	Text
unidentified		Thank you.
		Smile through my teeth.
		Only occasional.
		I like feeling this deep.
		I'm getting sick.
		Put the key in the hole, turn away.
		I'm feeling awake.
		Better lose, I can never get.
		Mystery key, you'll never see.
		From the beginning, it's only realized by me.
		Nothing to say, touch of the grave.
		It's hard to show down, I can never give away.
		To be alone, I got my way.
		I play, you know, I know.
		She's not in love.
		Carb, love, sorry love, your love.
		Thank you.
		Come on, my love.
		My love, show love, your love.
		Come on, my love.
		Carb, love, sorry love, your love.
		Come on, my love.
		My love, show love.
		You're in love.
		Good night.
		Thank you.
		What?
		What will you do when you notice there is nothing for you to hold on to?
		You two hold on to last night.
		I broke down when you said I thought you were better than that.
		Get my head up, well, well, wash now.
		Hoping that we never go back.
		Hoping that we never go back.
		I stood tall on a shallow reef right there beside the public beach.
		The public beach Hoping I was something Sharks would eat You said sugar, you're old enough I'm sitting and my body's gone But I'm feeling you still Always on the moon Ground controller Or beat me up hard enough
		Hoping I was something sharks would eat.
		You said sugar, you're holding up.
		I'm sitting, my body's gone.
		But I'm feeling you still.
		Always on the moon.
		Ground controller.
		Beat me up, I'm hiding.
		I'm ready to lose.
		Or ready to lose How's it going?
		How's it going?
		Oh, hi, hello I'd like to know If there will ever be one day I'd sit by When I'd stay the same
		When you look me in the eyes What will you do?
		When you notice there is nothing for you to hold on to Last night on boat down when you said I thought you were better than mine Get my head up for the wash now Hoping that we never go back Tears, you're a jerk, girl You may be bad
		Hoping that we never go back I'm going to go back to the wash now
		I'm going to go back to the wash now
		I'm going to go back to the wash now If you want me Stop by letting me go I keep wasting my time
		You keep letting me go You say I'm loving I bet you're changing your mind You say you love me It's easy to tell me I'm loving
		Now we're talking in the street at night And she's giving me a piece of mind She says, "But I never want to hear"
		But I think she meant to when she said it If you need to stop by to let me know, I keep wasting my time, you keep letting me go.
		You say I'm funny, I bet you're changing your mind.
		You say you love me, but it's easy telling me lies.
		You say you love me, but it's easy but it's easy telling me lies.
		You say you love me, but it's easy but it's easy telling me lies.
		You say you love me, but it's easy but it's easy telling me lies.
		You say you love me, but it's easy telling but it's easy telling me lies.
		You say you love me, but it's easy but it's easy telling me lies.
		It's okay, it's alright, it's fine if you say we're friends.
		It's okay, it's alright, I'm fine, it's not the end.
		Light me down where I can see.
	Hold me close, don't say a thing.
	Pull me close on a second day It's okay, it's alright, it's fine, don't ask it to do It's okay, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine if you stay with friends
	Music by Ben Thede
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, what's up everybody?
		It's me Nick Fuentes back with another stream Another afternoon Rumble exclusive We have much to cover today A lot of different items For our consideration We're going to be going over the This Turkey Tom documentary about destiny.
		It's like 2 hours 40 minutes.
		I don't know if we're gonna watch the whole thing but it seems pretty interesting so we'll watch a lot of it.
		We will be looking at this ADL article.
		The ADL has striked back.
		Struck back?
		The ADL has clapped back.
		After Candace Owens ate and left no crumbs, and I stand.
		They wrote an article.
		I did a stream two days ago.
		Just two days ago.
		Tuesday, I think.
		Or Monday?
		But I did a rumble stream about Candace Owens and her war.
		Excuse me.
		How she's trying to call out America fighting wars for Israel.
		I'm not going to say her war against the Jews.
		That's not going to do her any favors.
		I just can't.
		The problem is I have no filter.
		I have been without a filter for so many years.
		I've been banned from everything for years.
		So I literally have no filter.
		So I'll go on a stream and say, oh Candace Owens is at war with the Jews.
		And then, okay, back to reality.
		The ADL is like, Nick Fuentes said she's at war with the Jews.
		That's probably not a good thing to say.
		And I'm like, damn it.
		Forgot people don't talk like that.
		So, ADL did a big hit piece on Candace Owens because I liked her show.
		I responded positively to her show and made some funny remarks.
		So now they're attacking her for what I said!
unidentified		I'm sorry.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, Candace.
		I didn't mean to get you in trouble.
		I'm sorry, Candace.
		I didn't mean it.
		I just tried to help.
		Sorry.
		So we'll go over that.
		We'll go over this.
		I saw this the other day.
		We're cooked.
		We are cooked, brother.
		Look, this is our country.
unidentified		Look at my... Look at my white race dog.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We are cooked.
unidentified		Look at this.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So we'll go over that.
		I went off last night about this on Telegram, which is crazy.
		Dave Rubin disavows Candace Owens?
		Don't burn our friendship!
		What?
		You wouldn't be my friend because we have an ideological disagreement?
		I thought that you're a liberal and we could still be friends.
		So, we'll talk about that.
		And Kyle Rittenhouse just got raped yesterday.
		Just ugly, brutal rape.
		Candace Owens replied to the article.
		We'll package these things up like this.
		And it's going to be a good stream.
		So check in.
		Hey, lock in in the live chat.
		If you're in the live chat, say what's up.
		Who's in the live chat today?
		Say hello.
		If you're in the live chat, say hello now.
unidentified		Let's see.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We got Dalton.
		Hey, what's up, Dalton Claude?
		Dalton Clodfelter, good afternoon my friend.
		Host of No Holds Barred.
		Moving a little quickly.
		Let me slow it down.
		Spexo, what's up dude?
		Goosey, triz, pretty fly white guy, of course.
		AP Groip, what's up?
		Principal Groiper, B.C.
		Covington, Socks Groiper, legend, kebab remover, poo vibe, god emperor of the geodes.
		Iron Will, Laffy King, Anglo-Zoomer, Anglo-Zoomer, Ethiopian Groyper, Black Malaclava, Classics Groyp, another legend of the space, John Pig, Kaiser Rev.
		Everybody's here.
		What's up, guys?
		Hello.
		It's great to be with you.
		I'm gonna take my medicine, though, live on stream.
		Okay, I gotta prepare my water here.
		Here I got Alka-Seltzer Plus and Vitamin C.
unidentified		So I'm gonna take my gum out.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And I will make the potion here.
		Then we will start the stream.
		I'm still sick.
		I'm still under the weather.
		I think I have strep throat or something.
		Some kind of chest cold.
unidentified		Let me drink a little bit.
unidentified		I have this terrible chest cold.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's not horrible, but it's enough where it's making me tired and stuff.
		Man, that's giving me a lot of congestion, so I couldn't sleep last night.
		You know, it's one of those... So it's not terrible, but it's just enough to be super annoying.
unidentified		Hopefully I'll be better by next week.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I was gonna do a show last night but you know I went on Vince's stream and I was only supposed to be on there for 20 minutes I wound up being on there an hour and then by the end of the stream I was like I want to go to bed I'm exhausted so I was gonna do a show but then I cancelled it because I didn't feel like it okay I was sleepy.
		But you're gonna get your money's worth.
		Not that most of you even send the superchats.
		It's really a small fraction.
		But you'll get content today.
		Because it's gonna be a long stream.
		I'm locked in.
		Taking my medicine.
		Like a big boy.
		So we will be... So we're gonna do it.
		It's gonna be a lot of fun.
		Alright!
		Okay!
		Also, hey, tell me though, what do you want to see today?
		Would you rather watch... There's two Destiny streams.
		There's a Destiny stream with Turkey Tom.
		And there's a Destiny stream with Jordan Peterson.
unidentified		This one.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So, which one do you want to watch?
		Press 1 if you want to watch Turkey Tom.
		Press 2 if you want to watch Jordan Peterson.
		One for Turkey Tom, two for Jordan Peterson.
		I'll probably watch a little bit of both, but, you know, let me know which one you want me to spend more time on.
		Pretty mixed, but I'm seeing a lot of ones Hmm Pretty mixed.
		Alright, I'll do a little of both, okay?
		Alright.
		But let me let me take a sip of this.
unidentified		I'm already dying Okay, that wasn't fully dissolved yet I'm going to make it on my own.
		So I just got a huge chunk of Alka-Seltzer.
		All right.
		Okay.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So...
		So let's start with this.
		So I...
		First of all, it's weird.
		Candace Owens hasn't streamed in two days.
		What's going on with that?
		Does anybody know why she hasn't streamed in two days?
		Because three days ago, she did her big debate with the rabbi, where she wiped the floor with him.
		And she's really just at odds with the Jewish community now.
		And I don't want to describe it that way because I don't want to get her in trouble, but that's just what it is.
		She's at war with Rabbi Shmuley, Rabbi Barkley, Dave Rubin, ADL.
		And that's the nature of it.
		You can't dip your toe in this world.
		And what I mean by that is, my entire life, This has defined my adult life.
		This has defined my career.
		Because I talk about Jewish power.
		I talk about the Jewish lobby.
		I talk about the Israel lobby.
		And the thing is, there is no degree of how public you are about it.
		There's no degree of how fanatical you are about it.
		If you are not absolutely subordinated to the Jewish lobby, it's a full-spectrum attack on you.
		Full spectrum war by the whole Jewish community.
		And what I mean by that is, if Candace Owens goes out and implies, like she did five or four months ago, that the Palestinians are victims too, you can see how this has now snowballed.
		Candace Owens, I think she said after the aftermath of October 7th, she said, well, I'm against genocide, period.
		I don't like seeing Palestinian children killed.
		I don't like seeing Israelis killed.
		That remark has now snowballed into what this is now.
		And you could go back even a year before where she didn't disavow Kanye.
		She didn't support everything he said.
		She didn't even support him outright.
		She said, well, he didn't say kill all Jews or something like that.
		It was like the most tepid defense, although that was a big deal given the gravity of what he was saying at the time.
		So you could even go back further, but this latest saga really starts just Four or five months ago when she said, well, I don't think Palestinian children should be killed.
		I don't think Israelis should be killed.
		And that's how it started.
		This latest part.
		And then Ben Shapiro goes to a party and says Candace Owens needs to shut up about Palestine.
		She's a faux sophisticated.
		She doesn't know what she's talking about.
		Huge debacle with Shapiro.
		So she goes on Tucker and she clarifies the remarks.
		And she says, you know, listen Tucker, of course what happened on October 7th was a tragedy, but it's a tragedy when innocent Palestinians die too.
		She goes on maternity leave for a couple months.
		She comes back.
		And she says, hey, pornography is a scourge, and we have to look at who's running the porn industry.
		Oh, the Jews attack her.
		They say, oh, this is anti-Semitic, because Jews run the porn industry.
		Then Rabbi Shmuley comes and attacks her.
		Then Rabbi Barkley comes and attacks her.
		Then Dave Rubin says they're not friends anymore.
		Then the ADL comes after her.
		Mediaite comes after her.
unidentified		And all she said at the beginning, she's not as extreme as me.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		She hasn't said a fraction of what I said.
		Not a fraction.
		Not a quarter.
		Not a tenth.
		She has not said a small fraction of what I've said.
		She doesn't... I don't know what she believes, but I don't think she believes a fraction of what I believe on this subject.
		All she said was, it's a tragedy when the Palestinians die also.
		And it snowballs.
		And that's because, as I said, you could be as public about it as you want.
		You could be as measured in your remarks.
		You could be as moderate as possible.
		You could give the most conservative position on this.
		And by conservative, I don't mean, like, ideologically conservative.
		I mean the most cautious.
		Like, you could say, for example, at the minimum, they shouldn't get foreign aid.
		Or, you know, Palestinians shouldn't die.
		At the minimum, you could say the minimal thing and it will inevitably snowball because what they're after is capitulation.
		If you're in private saying this stuff, they need you to stop.
		If you're in public saying it, even a little bit, they need you to stop.
		If you don't stop, they just escalate the attacks.
		If you go out and say there's an equivalency between Israelis and Palestinians, they say, oh, well, maybe she doesn't understand.
		But you take it back, right?
		And she goes, well, no, I'm not going to take it back.
		And then they go, well, you're a fucking idiot, and you're an anti-Semite.
		And she goes, well, no, I'm not an anti-Semite, and I'm not an idiot.
		Like, I'm entitled to my opinion.
		So then the rabbis come in.
		Candace Owens, horrible anti-subite.
		She's been in this pattern of behavior for years.
		And so it's this escalation.
		If you don't back down, they escalate the attacks.
		If you defend yourself, they escalate the attacks.
		If you defend yourself from those successive attacks, they escalate the attacks.
		And it widens and intensifies over time.
		So, anyway, so she does this debate a few days ago, then she puts out a show, this is just a clip, she puts out a show two days ago, and says, why does everyone think I'm gonna be killed?
		She hasn't done a show since this show!
		And in this one, she goes over her whole career and says, well, these are all the naughty things I've ever said, and I'm really not a bad person, and I'm just trying to... I'm gonna stand with God.
		I'm team God.
		I'm just gonna tell the truth.
		I'm tired of lying about Israel or kowtowing.
		And she hasn't done a show in two days.
unidentified		So where is she?
unidentified		Dead body.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Where's Candace?
		Where's Hunter?
		Honestly, I think she's in on it.
		You know, the more I'm saying it, the more I'm realizing this is just a diversion from Hunter's laptop.
		I think this whole thing, now that I'm thinking about it, this is all a distraction and she's in on it.
		They don't want us to talk about the laptop from hell.
		They want us to talk about how Israel killed JFK.
		They want us to talk about how Israel did 9-11.
		They want us to talk about how there's unholy rabbis selling butt plugs with their daughters.
		Anything to divide us and keep us off the subject of the laptop from hell and fake news CNN.
		No, I'm kidding of course.
		So anyway, she hasn't done a show in a couple days.
		I was gonna watch it yesterday or today, but she hasn't done one.
unidentified		All right, ladies and gentlemen, where do we- And it's supposed to be a daily show, Monday through Friday, 3 p.m.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Central Time.
		Very strange.
		Where's Canvas?
		Anyway.
		So, then, I did a review of her stream a couple days ago.
		Excuse me, I was very positive about it.
		And the ADL publishes an article from Media Matters about it.
		So it's Media Matters, ADL, Mediaite, they're all working together.
		It's not a conspiracy, though.
		ADL, Mediaite, and Media Matters, which are all different groups, they're all working together, but there's no conspiracy here.
		Even though, by definition, that's what it is.
		ADL tweets today, White supremacist and holocaust denier Nick Fuentes is praising Candace Owens' vitriolic anti-semitism.
		It's hardly surprising.
		But it does set off alarm bells.
		When bigoted people come together to push an anti-semitic agenda, it adds fuel to the fire of hate.
		What the fuck does that even mean?
		What the fuck does that even mean?
		When racists come together to be racist, it adds fuel to the fire of racism.
		This is great writing.
		Remember, Jews are so powerful because they're smart, because of their high verbal IQ.
		And this is really well written.
		Anyway, so this is Media Matters.
		It says Candace Owens has been singling out Jewish people for attack in recent weeks.
		She recently liked a post that asked a rabbi she is feuding with whether he is drunk on Christian blood.
		She also said that there is a Jewish gang in Hollywood committing horrific things, suggested Jews are going to be blamed if TikTok is banned because they're responsible, and railed against DC Jews and rot.
		Rotten in the Jewish community.
		This is part of a long-standing pattern from Owens.
		She previously defended her friend, the rapper Kanye Ye West, after he posted that he would go DEF CON 3 on Jewish people, saying, if you're an honest person, you did not think this tweet was anti-Semitic.
		In 2019, she said, if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run, and have things run well, okay, fine, I have no problems with nationalism.
		Which, by the way, once you're on their list, every time they write about you, they just give the greatest hits.
		It doesn't matter who you are.
		Like I said, this is just how it works.
		If you are branded an anti-Semite, if that label is given to you, then anytime anyone writes an article about you, you get the preamble.
		Where, before they can say a word about you, they have to go through every naughty thing you've ever said.
		Candace Owens, who one time, who five years ago said if Hitler wanted to just make Germany great, well fine.
		And then they can begin the real story, right?
		But that's how this works.
		It's literally they're merchants of smear.
		And not just because, you know, merchant is an anti-semitic trope.
		But because they truly traffic in libelous rumors.
		They truly traffic in labels and slander.
		And it is a racket.
		It is like a protection racket.
		Like that's how the mafia works.
		Where the mafia comes to your business and says, hey, you need to pay us every week or every month, otherwise we will blow up your business.
		So everyone pays their tribute.
		Everybody pays their tax.
		Similarly, everybody must say, I stand with Israel.
		I stand with Israel and the Jewish people.
		And if you don't, then this is what happens to you.
		If you're on the list of people that are not protected, then every time they say anything about you, the media, you'll get Media Matters, Mediaite, ADL, SPLC...
		They will collect, they will literally hire people to watch everything you do.
		Collect every bad thing you've ever said.
		No matter how out of context, no matter how bad faith or disingenuous, they will take it, they will write reports about it, they will compile the reports that they have made, and then every time a mainstream outlet writes an article about you, like, you know, New York Times or whatever, they will borrow from Media Matters, SPLC, and that's what they'll put in the lead.
		And that's how they, that is how they put a scarlet letter on your name.
		So that anytime anyone hears about you, reads about you, sees you on TV, it's Candace Owens, who five years ago said this.
		Candace Owens, who two years ago defended Kanye.
		Candace Owens, who tweeted this, who liked to tweet one time, that said this.
		And that goes on in perpetuity.
		Until she apologizes.
		So for years, people will be conditioned to hear, white supremacist Candace Owens, anti-Semite Candace Owens, who one time said blah blah blah.
		Well today she did this, or today she did that.
		That's how it works.
		That's how they get ya.
	And that's how they delegitimize any voice that is not pro-Israel.
	Someone said she was on The Breakfast Club today?
	Okay, I'll watch that.
	If it's good, I mean, we'll see.
	Is it worth watching?
unidentified		Wake that ass up!
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		We'll watch that in a minute, maybe.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		Breakfast Club.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Wake that ass up.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		Morning everybody.
unidentified		It's DJ Envy.
		Just hilarious.
		Charlamagne Tha Guy.
		We are the Breakfast Club.
		We got a special guest in the building.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We'll watch that in a minute maybe.
		Anyway, so this is the article.
		It says, Owen's commentary caught the attention of notorious anti-Semite Nick Fuentes, who said on his show that she has been in a full-fledged war against the Jews.
		Fuentes is a white su- I like, by the way, how I'm literally praising a black person, and they call me a white supremacist.
		I'm literally on Team Black Girl, and they're like, well, but Black Girl has a white supremacist supporting her.
		She's black!
		How am I a white supremacist if I'm like, I love this person, she's a hero, she's sacrificing a lot, she has my admiration?
		How many black people do you have to support before they stop calling you a white supremacist?
		Fuentes is a white supremacist leader who attended the deadly Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, called for a white uprising to install Trump as a dictator.
		Let's fucking go.
		Generated a lengthy list of bigoted statements, including his recent exhortation for Jews to get out of America.
unidentified		He is also a Holocaust denier.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Goated resume, by the way.
		Goated resume.
		Put that on my LinkedIn.
		In November, just days after announcing his 2024 run for president, former President Trump dined with Ye and Nick Fuentes.
		A sampling of his praise for Owens is found below.
		Candace Owens has been on a tear lately.
		She has been in a full-fledged war against the Jews.
		She's gone full 88.
		This is the face of total Jewish defeat.
		She won.
		I love that.
		I love how all the Jews have to watch this show.
		This is the face.
unidentified		No, but this is the face of a total Jewish defeat.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We have to stand!
		Go off, girly!
		We fucking got your back, Candace.
		Eat them up.
		They're filth.
		It's very striking.
		Striking appearance.
		I love it.
		Ben Shapiro has to watch this.
		You see a face like mine looking down.
		Yeah, she's eating.
		I love how the intro is so generic, but she's going full 1488.
unidentified		She's going, well no, she's really going more full 88.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Bruh, it's a joke.
		Bruh, chill out.
		It was a joke.
		Relax.
unidentified		Oh, I said it.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So I guess I said all that.
		And I got Candace in trouble, which was not my intention.
		Candace tweets, I do not know him.
unidentified		Oh!
unidentified		Ouch.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Why, Candace?
		I understand.
		You have to do what you have to do.
		But it hurts me.
unidentified		She doesn't even know I exist.
		She's so perfect and she doesn't even know I exist.
		Every day I stand by her locker and I wait for her.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		She's the most popular girl in school and she doesn't even know I exist.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		She doesn't even know who I am I'm such a fucking incel Guys What?
unidentified		Why?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I just can't get the girl!
		What's wrong with me?
		I mean, I'm the Supreme Gentleman.
		I mean, why don't girls like that?
unidentified		Anyway, she says, I mean, I'm the supreme gentleman.
		Anyway, she says... She says, I do not know him.
		I do not know Nick Fuentes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Who is that incel?
unidentified		Never heard of him.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		But you already know that.
		What I do know is that everyone can see what you guys are doing to me.
		Your pattern is well established and the world is waking up to it!
		Let's fucking go.
unidentified		Go off.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		My crime is having stood up for myself against your network of smears.
		My crime is that I do not believe the American taxpayer should pay for Israel's wars or the wars of any country.
		I will not change my mind.
		Question is, what will you do to me next?
		The world is watching.
		Let's fucking go.
		Bad ass.
		She dared them.
		She said, pull up.
		And Chief Trumpster made this sick.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Hollywood is running America.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And so it's at it.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We're being run by people that are satanic.
		Hollywood is satanic.
		And Hollywood is running America.
unidentified		Right.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So you're not wrong.
		But I think that right now, America is facing a spiritual battle.
		And for the first time in a very long time, Christians are starting to stand up and speak about our principles.
		I am team God.
		I'm team God.
		I do not fear the media.
		I do not fear journalists.
		I do not fear AIPAC.
		I don't fear Big Pharma.
		What I actually fear is God.
		I think that one day we are all going to have to account for the things that we have done and the things that we have said and I want to make sure that I am NOT a person that is parroting lies.
unidentified		Not loving the song, though.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'm not loving this, like... What is that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Like, uh... It's like, I love rock and roll.
unidentified		Not digging the song, but the clips are good.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Dude, what is this?
		Okay, that's very subtle.
		Make it a little bit less subtle.
		I can't... I don't really know what they mean here.
		Yeah, I feel like I'm not really getting the full point.
		I think this might be a little bit too subtle.
		It's an Israeli flag holding a gun next to a baby's head.
unidentified		Yeah, okay.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's a little over the top, I think.
		But the replies are all positive.
		We got a Chief Trumpster at it, Classics, Groik.
		We stand with you, Candace O.
		Spexos says, Nick Fuentes is a great, excuse me, great guy.
		Thank you, man.
		Appreciate you.
		Only Nick Fuentes can answer that question for your audience.
unidentified		Hiccup?
unidentified		True.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Barry Stanton interviewed Nick Fuentes.
unidentified		W. What else?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Where's Keith?
		I thought Keith replied.
		they must have suppressed it where's the woodsy in reply - Bye.
		Oh, it's in this one.
		Keith Woods.
		Don't back down, Candace.
		We all support you against the smears of Jewish supremacists.
		Okay, nothing about me, though?
		What the fuck?
		Nah, it's okay, though.
		W. Candace.
		And then we got the edit again.
		You stood up against filth!
		I know Nick Fuentes.
		He's nice.
		You are great.
		So is Nick.
		End of story.
		W. Lupus.
		Dr. Lupus, we love you.
		We stand Dr. Lupus, Queen.
		Candace, does anyone in the Daily Wire speak out publicly to defend you?
		The public is with you, but do they have your back?
		You should interview Nick Fuentes, by the way.
		Facts.
unidentified		Anyway.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So that's that.
		What else?
		Then Dave Rubin, get this, Dave Rubin comes out and says he doesn't consider Candace Owens a friend anymore.
		Listen to this.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		I think she's a little confused about some of the things, but I think, uh, well, I hope you heard the overriding part, which is that I don't want to make it personal with her.
		I don't really consider us friends anymore.
		Um, but that's just like the nature of the reality of the thing that we're all in.
		I think she's a little confused.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The what?
		That's the nature of the reality of the thing we're all in?
		Can you be more specific?
		What is the thing we're all in?
unidentified		Earth?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's the nature of the reality of the thing we're in?
unidentified		Earth?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Florida?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		What are you talking about?
unidentified		Why?
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		I think she's a little confused about some of the things, but I think, well, I hope you heard the overriding part, which is that I don't want to make it personal with her.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		I don't really consider us friends anymore. - Why? - But that's just like the nature of the reality of the thing that we're all in. - Look at this gay Jew.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		By the way, Dave Rubin literally made his career for the last seven years saying, "Hey, I'm a liberal, but I'm willing to talk to conservatives." We may disagree ideologically but we can still be, we can still talk and we can still have dialogue.
		But now he's unfriending Candace Owens.
		Why?
		What exactly did she say that now they're no longer friends?
		His book!
		It's literally, don't burn this book.
		Let's read the synopsis.
		Don't burn this book by Dave Rubin.
		Thinking for yourself in an age of unreason.
		The left is no longer liberal.
		Once on the side of free speech and tolerance, progressive now banned speakers from campuses, cancelled people who aren't up to date on the latest genders, and forced religious people to violate their conscience.
		They have abandoned the battle of ideas and begun fighting a battle of feelings.
		This uncomfortable truth has turned moderates and true liberals into the politically homeless class.
		Rubin gives you the tools you need to think for yourself in an age when tribal outrage, tribal outrage by the way, a little on the nose, tribal outrage is the only alternative.
		He launched his political show as a meeting ground for free thinkers who realize that partisan politics is a dead end.
		He hosts people he both agrees and disagrees with, including those who have been dismissed, deplatformed, and despised, taking on the most controversial issues of our day.
		So you're just a giant hypocrite.
		You're just the biggest hypocrite in the world then.
		Are you not?
		Because according to you, we're supposed to platform people that disagree with us and we're supposed to re-enact.
		Reintegrate people that have been cancelled and we're supposed to be able to speak freely about the most controversial issues?
		Yeah, except for one.
		Clearly.
		Except for one issue.
		So, I guess he's not part of the liberal tribe.
		He is part of a different tribe though.
		he's Jewish Dave Rubin is a gay Jew at the spray tan The guy's like 60 years old, but he's got hair dye and plastic surgery and a spray tan to make himself look young, because that's what all those people are about.
		Are you not the big... What a fucking joke.
		Are you not the biggest joke, the biggest hypocrite in the world?
		Everybody knows that's his brand.
		Everybody knows that's what he's about.
		Woah, woah, hey man!
		Don't burn this book!
		Let's just have a conversation!
		Oh wait, what?
		You're against Israel?
		Well, we're not friends, and I will never have you on my show, and you're cancelled.
		Okay.
		So, free speech for me, but not for thee, right?
		Or it's the reverse?
		What a joke.
		Nobody should ever, ever take Dave Rubin seriously ever again after this.
		Because that's his whole brand.
		It's not like that's one part of it.
		I know it's pretty asinine and stupid, but that's his whole brand.
		As I'm a liberal, but I'll talk to people that are canceled.
		I'm a liberal, but I'm not part of that partisan tribalism.
		Okay, but you are part of a different tribalism.
		If a Christian wants to speak out about Palestine, then you won't talk to them.
		If a partisan disagrees about a controversial subject like Israel, then you won't talk to them.
		You won't even be friends with them.
		So... You have no credibility.
		You're a completely ridiculous person.
		Complete hypocrite.
		Who will you talk to then?
		Only Zionists?
		You'll only talk to what?
		Other Jews?
		Other Jews or other people that support Israel and that's it?
		So, you can be a socialist or a capitalist as long as you support Israel.
		You could be pro-gay adoption like he is, or against it, as long as you support Israel.
		But you can't not support Israel.
		Insane.
		But that's what I've been saying for years.
	You know, this guy is a sick, disgusting human being.
	This is a sick, disgusting, vile human being.
	Want to know why?
	Not only has he embraced a gay lifestyle and gotten gay married to another man, which would be bad enough, but he has also created a child through surrogacy.
	To adopt into his fake family built on gay sex.
	So not only has he completely embraced an unnatural lifestyle and surrendered to it and created a sham of a marriage with another man that's based on sodomy, but also
	He has inseminated a woman, probably artificially, and created a child, brought a human being into existence with the intention of depriving that child of its biological mother so that he can raise it in his household of sodomy with his husband, with his anal partner.
	Who's the top and who's the bottom?
	Is that how the kids are going to refer to the parents?
	You know, because in a normal household, you'd say, Mom, Dad.
	You know, Mom is the, is one with the eggs.
	Dad is one with the seed, with the fertilizer.
	Mom, Dad.
	What do you call it in the, are the kids going to say, top, bottom?
	Which one's the girl in the relationship?
	Which one's taking it?
	I know that sounds vulgar.
	I know that's extremely graphic and disgusting and vulgar.
	But that's his life.
	That's his life.
	And that's the life of his kids.
	I know.
	It sounds gross when I say it.
	They live it.
	They live it.
	They think this should be the law of the land.
	They think this should be permitted in the culture.
	That's fine.
	As long as you support fucking Israel, right?
	As long as you're pro-Israel, as long as you're pro-Jew, As long as you're pro these people that hate Jesus Christ, that's all fine.
	That lifestyle.
	Sick, disgusting, pervert, Christ-hater, and a hypocrite.
	His whole life is a lie.
	And by the way, He exists for a very specific reason.
	He exists to control the frame of debate.
	If Dave Rubin is the platform where all the debate happens but anti-Zionists, anti-Semites not welcome, well there's your restriction on what's allowed to be said.
	Everything's up for debate, except for support for Israel.
	Everything's up for debate, except for whether Jews control America.
	Everything's up for debate, except for the fact that Jews reject the Lord Jesus Christ.
	We could debate socialism.
	We could debate whether you can have kids in a house full of sodomy.
	We can debate all that.
	Oh, it's all up for debate.
	Hey, say what you want.
	Believe what you like.
	Anything goes here.
	Just don't criticize Jews.
	Fuck you.
	Fuck you.
	What a joke.
	People that buy into this stuff are stupid.
	You buy into this?
	You are stupid.
	You are gullible.
	How could people not see this?
	Don't burn this book!
unidentified		Don't burn this book!
unidentified		Think for yourself!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		But someone's not- doesn't support Israel and Jews?
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		A little confused about some of the things, but I think- Oh, we're not friends.
		Well, I hope you heard the overriding part, which is that I don't want to make it personal with her.
		I don't really consider us friends anymore.
unidentified		Oh, we're not- Oh, we're not friends anymore.
unidentified		Oy vey, we're not friends anymore.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck you.
		Disgusting pervert.
		These people are sick.
		I just can't.
		The level of hypocrisy, the level of deception, once you see it, you can't unsee it.
		And you will be repulsed.
		Your career is a lie.
		Your entire career is a lie.
		This guy goes around and pretends to be white.
unidentified		Oh, look at me!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'm just a white liberal guy!
		Let's just have a conversation!
		Actually is an extreme Jew, and he's gone around and tried to get people cancelled.
		He has gone around and called people and tried to get guys like Elijah Schaefer and others cancelled, because they spoke out.
		So this guy's not only... he's not just passively In favor of cancel culture?
		He's actively a part of it.
		If you don't support Israel, he will call your boss and try to get you fired.
		This is the guy that wrote, don't burn this book!
		What if that book is the Israel lobby?
unidentified		And look at that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, just no shame.
		There's no shame, there's no remorse.
		He's just like, oh yeah, well we're not friends anymore, obviously.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Um, but that's just like the nature of the reality of the thing that we're all in.
unidentified		Well that's just the nature of the reality of the thing we're in.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And he's an idiot.
		I mean, not only, you know, Jews have this, there's a stereotype of this rationalization.
		People say, well they run everything because they're smart.
		This guy's not smart.
		He makes Jews look bad.
		There are smart Jews.
		Although it's kind of a dying breed.
		I mean, they were a lot smarter a century ago.
		There are smart Jews.
		He's not one of them.
		He's an idiot.
		And an absolute demerit on the race of Jews as a whole.
		Because he is a fucking idiot.
		Uh, well, I'm a total hypocrite, but you know, that's just the nature of the reality of the thing that we're in.
		Shut up, you bonehead.
		The most profound thing that he has had to say over the past ten years, his claim to fame, is, well, we can disagree, but still talk.
		Idiot.
unidentified		He's a cocksucker.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Not to be vulgar, but anyway.
		So yeah, Dave Rubin.
		In case you didn't know, Rubin is a Jewish name.
		In case you didn't know that, just so you're aware, Rubin is a Jewish last name.
		Dave Rubin is a Jewish name.
		He's Jewish, and if you don't support Jews in Israel, he will get you cancelled.
		He will try very hard, actively, to get you cancelled.
		He will unfriend you.
		Despite his whole career being built on being able to talk to those we disagree with.
		Just disgusting.
		So yeah, I'm gonna side with Candace Owens.
		Candace Owens believes in Jesus.
		She's in a normal marriage with kids.
		She's with God.
		She's a real conservative.
		She's a real loyal American.
		This guy works on a tech startup with a guy from Hebrew University.
		He's loyal to Israel.
		Doesn't believe in Jesus.
		He's a pervert that had kids created through surrogacy.
		Fuck him.
		Team Canvas.
		Then you get this.
		I saw this tweet the other day.
		I'm super congested Then I saw this the other day I This is from Ben Gold.
unidentified		Ben Gold!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Look at this guy.
unidentified		Dude, look at this guy.
		Whatever kind of Jew you don't like, I'm that one!
		Okay.
		Okay.
		Am Yisrael Chai!
		Hashtag I'm that Jew.
		Hashtag Am Israel's High.
		Hashtag Israel.
		Hashtag Jew.
		Hashtag bring them home.
		Look at this.
		Look at this doofus.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Look at this absolute doofus.
		Is that enough necklaces?
		We got two necklaces, a yarmulke, the sweatshirt.
		He doesn't even need to advertise it.
		His face advertises it.
		Proud Zionist Jew, U.S.
		Marine, Iraq War Vet, Tennessean.
unidentified		in this whole timeline.
unidentified		Ben Gold.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		He writes, One of my co-workers, my work best friend, and I discuss the situation in Israel on a daily basis.
		He is a Christian man, born and raised in Tennessee.
		He was raised worshiping a Jewish man and understands and appreciates that.
		Really?
		He jokingly told me to get him a yarmulke a few weeks ago.
		He said he'd wear it because he's not scared to show his support.
		Tomorrow's Jordan's birthday so I got him something much more appropriate.
		He's a big ol' goofy country boy, but he stands with Israel and the Jewish people.
unidentified		Okay?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		He's a big, fat, stupid hillbilly, but he stands with us, but he kneels for Israel.
		He's a big, fat, stupid hick.
		But he stands with Israel.
		But, I love the but.
		He goes, he's a big ol' goofy country boy, but he stands with Israel.
		He's a fat, stupid, big goyim.
		He's a big, fat, stupid goy.
		But he stands with Israel and the Jewish people.
		Talk about a humiliation ritual.
		Everything these days is a humiliation ritual, they say.
		Modern architecture is a humiliation ritual.
		McDonald's is a humiliation ritual.
		Everything's a humiliation ritual!
		You're having Joe Biden as the president!
		This!
		This!
		Okay, but you want to know the real humiliation ritual?
		It's saying, here, Goya, wear this stupid hat.
		Now, smile.
		Smile for the camera.
		This is the humiliation ritual.
		Did Jordan eat all the humanitarian aid that was supposed to go to Gaza?
		I've been getting moving As an American patriot, I denounce and reject this traitor, fax.
		Absolutely.
unidentified		Yeah, ridiculous.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Then, okay.
		Last thing, then we'll get into the Destiny content.
		This guy, Kyle Rittenhouse, who disavowed me last year.
		He did the event in Memphis, Tennessee.
		I'll just show the clip.
		I'll let the clip speak for itself.
unidentified		I'm CEO of Turning Point USA.
		Charlie Kirk has said a lot of racist things.
		What racist thing has Charlie Kirk said?
		No, no, we're gonna have a little bit of a dialogue, but what racist, what racist thing says Charlie Kirk said?
		Okay, I'll answer the question of racist things he said.
		He said we shouldn't celebrate Juneteenth.
		We shouldn't celebrate Martin Luther King Day.
		We should be working those days.
		He's talking to Tanya Brown Jackson, an affirmative action hire.
		He's saying all this nonsense about George Floyd.
		And he said he'd be scared if a black pilot was on a plane.
		Does that not seem racist?
		I don't know anything about that.
		- Oh, that's a bad advantage!
		Thanks for the answer!
		That's wonderful! - Okay, well, after all the things I just told you, would you consider that hate speech?
		I'm not gonna comment on that.
		- Bro! - Bro!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Bro.
unidentified		And here, wait, wait, wait, it gets better, it gets better.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		This is a longer version.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Watch this.
unidentified		Now watch this.
		He says we shouldn't celebrate Juneteenth.
		We shouldn't celebrate Martin Luther King Day.
		We should be working those days.
		It's called Katani Brown Jackson, an affirmative action hire.
		He's talked nonsense about George Floyd.
		And he said he'd be scared if a black pilot was on a plane.
		Does that not seem racist?
		I don't know anything about that.
		No, no, no.
		Does that seem racist?
		It's a yes or no question, Kyle.
		After all the things I just told you, would you consider that hate speech?
		Deflection!
		Deflection!
		Bruh.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So bad.
		Bruh.
		Stick to killing protesters instead of taking questions from them, okay?
		Clearly, he's a lot better at shooting them than he is at anything else, like portion control or answering questions.
		Answering basic questions?
		So brutal, dude.
		How is it 2024 and conservatives don't know how to answer a black person calling them racist?
		Like, they've been doing this for 30 years!
		They've been doing it for longer!
		And this is the best we got?
		It's 2024!
		And these guys are like totally def- A black person comes up to the microphone and says, Shit man, y'all are racist.
		And they're like, Gotta go!
		Like, you don't have an answer for that?
		They've been doing this your entire life.
		Your entire life.
		This has been the routine.
		You didn't have an answer for that one?
		Charlie Kirk is racist.
		What has he said that's racist?
		This, this, this, this, this.
unidentified		Well, I don't know anything about that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, now you know.
		What do you think about it?
		I don't know.
		I gotta go.
unidentified		I'm like, what?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Literally worst possible way to handle that.
		I don't know how you could have handled that worse.
		I don't think there's a worse answer he could have given other than nothing and then immediately leaving What a fucking loser You know what I mean?
		You know, but that's the difference.
		These guys, they talk a big game on Twitter, but they can't hack it in the real world.
		I've done it.
		I did it without bodyguards, without anything.
		I went to Iowa State when I was probably the same age, maybe even younger, and I was literally in a mob, like a crowd of black people, telling them like, hey, on average your IQ is lower.
		I don't know if the clip's on YouTube or anything, if someone has it.
unidentified		If I could search up Nick Fuentes, Iowa State.
		Alright, we're live.
		We're live?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We're live.
unidentified		I missed it.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, okay.
		It was literally me for 45 minutes.
		No moderator, no stage.
		I'm literally standing outside in the freezing cold in the winter by myself.
		Everyone had abandoned me from the group that was hosting me in front of a crowd of black people.
unidentified		I'll ask you this.
		No, what are you trying to say?
		Finish.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Hey, chill out.
unidentified		You're a racism show.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Detroit bears a strong resemblance to Haiti, to Sub-Saharan Africa.
unidentified		More of a resemblance.
unidentified		More of a resemblance than it does.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		What I mean to say by that is, men, I will say exactly what I mean.
unidentified		When people, when people... Now that's standing on business.
		Literally standing in front of them saying, hey, Detroit, 80s, up there in Africa, what do they all have in common?
		- I'm coming.
		- Tell me, are you all the same?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		- I don't, I don't-- - 45 minutes.
		That's the difference.
		But that's the difference between me and Kyle Rittenhouse.
		Okay?
		I'm not hiding behind a gun.
		Oh, look at me.
		I'm a big strong man.
		Don't get me wrong.
		It was cool that he killed the protesters and everything.
		But the guy's a pussy.
		Cries like a pussy on the stand.
		Gets confronted by bla- I mean literally confronted by a black guy saying, Hey yo, y'all are racist.
		And he goes, Oh, I don't know.
unidentified		I don't know.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I gotta go.
unidentified		I don't know what to say.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		He's a big fat baby.
		Look at this guy.
		Big fat Jewish baby.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Boho.
		Boo hoo, boo hoo.
		Ah, yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Can we get like a baby crying?
unidentified		This is Kyle Reynolds.
unidentified		That's you, buddy. buddy.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's you pal.
		He disavowed me in like October.
		It was his pinned tweet for months.
unidentified		Let me see if they have it.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Where's the link?
		Bruh, I'm rate limited.
		limited Whoops Yeah, this is a Cal Rittenhouse statement it
		In a statement, Mr. Rittenhouse, speaking for himself, unequivocally denounced Nick Fuentes and the circumstances around the meeting taking place near Rittenhouse's office.
		Well, I have office space in the building.
		I did not take part in any meetings with him, nor would I. As soon as I was made aware that Fuentes was in the office, I asked to be excused for the day.
		I and the entire department were dismissed.
		Fuentes has attacked me personally in his hideous views, denigrate the memory and legacy of my Jewish family members, some of whom were victims of the Nazi's holocaust.
		The Nazi's holocaust?
unidentified		A boo-hoo, boo-hoo.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		The Nazi's holocaust.
unidentified		I had to be in tears.
unidentified		He's denigrated my Jewish family members.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		I'm not racist.
unidentified		I am not racist.
		I am not.
		I am not racist and neither is Charlie Kirk.
		I don't know what he said.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what he said.
unidentified		Anyway.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you suck, buddy.
unidentified		You suck, you trash.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You got bogged.
		You got bogged by a black guy.
		You got bogged by blacks.
		No excuse.
		No excuse for this.
unidentified		We shouldn't celebrate Juneteenth.
		We shouldn't celebrate Martin Luther King Day.
		We should be working those days.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Shouldn't celebrate Juneteenth.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Shouldn't celebrate Martin Luther King Day.
unidentified		Tony Brown Jackson, affirmative action hire.
		He's telling nonsense about George Floyd.
		And he said he'd be scared if a black pilot was on a plane.
		Does that not seem racist?
		I don't know anything about that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The way he says that is so gay, too.
		Like, that's a rebuttal.
		Well, I don't know anything about that.
unidentified		No, no, no.
unidentified		Does that seem racist as a yes or no question, Kyle?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, boys.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		He's got the charisma of a wet blanket.
unidentified		After all the things I just told you, would you consider that hate speech?
		DEFLECTION!
		Uh, no comment.
		DEFLECTION!
		YEAH!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And wrap it up.
		Bro literally picks up the dog with him.
		That's so lame.
		Like, oh, look at me.
		It's me, Kyle Renhouse and my gay dog.
unidentified		Uh oh, black people, let's get out of here.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Black people asking about Juneteenth.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Time to get out of here.
unidentified		Puss.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Pussy.
		You will never be Nick Fuentes, pal.
		Nick Fuentes stands on business.
unidentified		We're live?
		I missed it.
		Sure.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Well, welcome, everybody.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		People would assume look at black people.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We're going to go.
unidentified		She's.
		Ignite the right.
		True.
		You have said multiculturalism is a cancer.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
unidentified		You said you've called for the death of all globalists.
		Well, I said they should be tried and became for treason, which is different.
		Well, I'm just here to say you're not what Iowa State stands for.
		It is evident here that this is not what our university stands for.
		and they do not stand for you. - True. - And I just...
		Your university is paused.
		Paused?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is sort of a meme, but in Twitter we say that something is paused because it has been infected with the globalist agenda.
unidentified		Test positive for the virus of globalism.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's a little cringe.
		That's a little cringe, but this is 2018, okay?
		This is six years old.
		All of it hasn't aged super well, okay?
unidentified		I don't know who her- That's another question.
		Wait, he's 1% African-American.
		Okay.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Can I just say- See, I'm just- I just handled it.
		He's like, you don't stand for our values, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, true.
		Okay, and?
unidentified		All right, yeah, go away now.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's standing on business.
		Okay, that's standing on business.
		I wouldn't do this now, though.
		Someone would try and kill me now.
unidentified		Anyway.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		a sense of American identity.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		What is the enduring fixture of American identity?
unidentified		Anyway.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So.
unidentified		So that's it.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Goodbye, Kyle Rittenhouse.
		You suck.
		Alright, now let's watch some of this Destiny content.
		What do we want to do?
		Let's watch some of the... Let's watch a little of the Turkey Tom stuff.
		We'll see how this is.
unidentified		Is your number one goal in life, through everything, work?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think every part of my life kind of revolves around it.
		People like this will say, oh yeah, that's not healthy.
		If you don't like the Constitution, that's on you.
unidentified		No, I don't like the Constitution!
		Really, then why are you saying that Section 3 of Amendment 14 requires a conviction?
		The past few years, you've had a lot of drama.
		You just had a big one.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		What was the big one?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Melina.
unidentified		Aww.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		My Steven.
unidentified		Ultimately, what I'm getting at is like, where do your priorities really lie?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		They definitely lie with work, 100%.
unidentified		Oh, you're kind of a nice guy.
unidentified		No.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		That's gonna be cut.
unidentified		What are you doing?
		This is what we do to libtards.
		I'm gonna go get him.
		I will defend America.
		Dancer, I'm ready.
		Look cool.
		This silly-ass jacket.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		This is my shooting jacket.
unidentified		Sighting my target, okay?
		Trying to be a safe gunner.
		Geez.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I need you to back the f*** up.
unidentified		Yes.
		I can't, I'm a child.
		No!
		No!
		Turn away the f*** up!
		I'll be calling you.
		Stephen Kenneth Bonnell II, born December 12, 1988, known online as Destiny, is an American livestreamer and political commentator.
		He was among the first people to stream video games online full-time, and received attention as a pioneer of the industry.
		Since 2016, he's garnered further attention for streaming political debates with other online personalities, in which he advocates for progressivism and liberal politics.
		At least, that's what Wikipedia says.
		In reality, Destiny is all of those things, and he's also a very controversial person.
		While he is a progressive, he's also very edgy.
		Which sort of puts him at odds with a lot of the other left-leaning people.
		His community has been the birth of various popular streamers like Hasan Piker and Vosh, both of which Destiny has been at odds with for years, despite their initial interactions being friendly.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing I do is performative.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to, for instance, I'll use Hasan as an example, I'm not going to talk to a black person like Trihex and say, hey, the n-word, it's always- What a f***ing liar, dude!
unidentified		What a f***ing weasley little liar, dude!
		He's also been the subject of online mockery due to his marriage, which is an open one, in which he and his wife Melina see other people.
		Well, I guess I should say ex-wife, as they're now divorced, and she seemingly left him for someone who was one day away from taking hormones.
		Melina then demanded that Destiny send her $100,000 as compensation for their marriage, or something.
		His streams have also been plagued by a revolving door of friendship and hookup drama, with various individuals trying to come for his career with a litany of allegations.
		Despite the controversy, he's reaching a sort of new career high, debating various popular right-wing figures like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson, being interviewed on every podcast under the sun, and his YouTube channel is getting upwards of 10 to 15 million views every month.
		He's sort of an unavoidable force online at this point, it feels like he's got a hand in everything.
		So I set out to find out who the true destiny really is, starting with his debate with Alex Jones of InfoWars.
		We're here in Texas, filming his debate with Alex Jones.
		Here at the InfoWars studio, security is extremely tight.
		They take it very seriously.
		They made sure that we didn't film outside, because I assume there's crazy people trying to mess with them all the time.
		It's a very, like, high-budget thing they've got.
		I cannot imagine a greater matchup of people.
		Destiny, the ultimate libtard, Alex Jones, the ultimate chud.
		They're going to be going head-to-head talking about... What's going on with the look here, Tom?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what we're doing with the hair and the earring and... and that whole... the whole look.
		I don't know what's going on with the look.
		It's like, this is a classic case of what the thumbnail or the profile picture looks like.
unidentified		And then this is the profile picture.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And the man, yeah, is a little different.
unidentified		Spot the difference.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The hair, we got to do something about that hair, man.
		It's got to change.
		We can do better.
		We can do better than that.
unidentified		Oh Capitol, and it's actually January 6th right now, 2024.
		It is the memorial, the hallowed days of the Chud insurrection.
		I know Glenn Greenwald is going to be involved in this in some way, who I believe was a part of the Snowden leaks.
		The Krasenstein twins, who were like some Trump Twitter reply guys are going to be involved in some way.
		We've got an exclusive behind the scenes look.
		Should be spicy, should be fire.
		What is Zero Hedge?
		It's the media company that's producing these like ex-live debates.
		Okay.
		So, like, they did one with, like, Laura Loomer and somebody else about Israel-Palestine.
		It's you guys, Alex, Destiny... Hey, guys, I brought you pizza.
		I'm sorry I didn't know you guys were going live.
		How you doing, man?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Good to see you.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Good to see you.
unidentified		I'm Brian.
		Good to see you.
		Tom, nice to meet you.
		I like your shirt.
		Thank you, I appreciate it.
		Well, anyway, don't try to interrupt.
		I apologize.
		He's not really short.
		This guy gets right f***ing into it.
		Not, how are you doing?
		How's the pizza?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Are you fully familiar with the elector scheme?
		Do you understand how all that was supposed to work?
		Okay.
		Do you know what Red Pill is?
		Like debating these guys that I kind of like.
		Do you know anything about Ray Epps?
unidentified		I know the name, vaguely.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Ray Epps is like some boomer conservative guy.
		He went to DC, all fired up to protest.
		I think his heart was really into it until like the actual rioting happened.
		And then he was like, okay, wait, chill out guys.
		Like everybody calm down.
		Like one of the things conservatives hang their hat on for this whole conspiracy is this text that he sent his nephew.
		So he's like, are you there?
		What's going on?
		He's like, yeah, I orchestrated the whole thing.
unidentified		I feel like I'm watching your stream right now.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, bro.
unidentified		Oh yeah, sorry.
unidentified		I'm the same.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I'm gonna be the exact same in real life.
unidentified		Sorry.
unidentified		You're in.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		So anyway.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		How you guys doing?
unidentified		I brought coffee.
		Hot chocolate.
		Just coffee.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I'm... You're doing a thing on me.
		You're doing a video on me.
		I always drink hot chocolate.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, I'm not giving into your bullshit.
		This is Americano.
		We have cream and sugar.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		It's okay.
unidentified		My mom was asking what I'm doing on here.
		So she was like reading your Wikipedia article.
		She's like... Yo!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Marcus Epstein?
		Let's go.
		Marcus Epstein cameo, the Turkey Tom.
		And we got Darren.
		Whoa, Darren.
		Darren's looking a little short.
unidentified		This is an insane crossover!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Marcus Epstein, Darren Beattie, and Turkey Tom.
unidentified		Marcus!
unidentified		There's no one else?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		No one else that I know of.
		Okay, if I was gonna look for a... I want a pen and notebook if I can.
		It would be so nice to take notes for this if I could do it.
unidentified		Are you like nervous at all for this?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		A little bit.
unidentified		Not really.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		Not really.
		Kind of.
		I don't know.
		So you don't get nervous for this kind of thing?
		I was nervous.
		I'm not even debating.
		I was nervous just coming here to the studio.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		It's a different kind of nervousness.
unidentified		Like, I have, like, the facts are easily on my side.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		And I have a huge, like, database of them on my head.
unidentified		Are you confident you're going to be just fine?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm always confident of myself.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, obviously.
unidentified		Obviously.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Well, because I've been debating for, like, seven years, right?
unidentified		So early on when you're starting out, let's say, with a JonTron discussion.
unidentified		It is a European nation, historically.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		There's just no debating that.
		The first thing that you just said doesn't really make sense.
		It was a European nation.
unidentified		Were you nervous about that?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Not as much, because I feel like the expectation kind of matches the reputation.
		Like, when I was debating... debating.
		It was really just a conversation with JonTron.
		Like, all this stuff leading up to it, nobody really did, like, online gaming slash political debates.
		So there wasn't, like, a huge expectation to be, like, super informed.
		It was just, like, really entertaining and funny and everything.
unidentified		Do you think the Jon thing was, like, a watershed moment?
unidentified		Like, the start of a lot of that stuff for you?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so, but it's where a lot of people met me, or found out about me.
unidentified		That's how I knew about you.
		And I didn't even like you at the time, because I was a Jon fan, and I was like, oh he doesn't like Jon?
		And that was just, in my head it was just like, this guy.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Did you watch that full convo?
unidentified		Yes.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		The thing that was the most frustrating thing about that convo is, I listened to, the only reason I had that convo is because I was on stream, do you know who Sargon of Akkad was?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Why did they not just cut a lot of this?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		This is just boring.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		JonTron.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		When I was listening to those conversations, it sounded to me like JonTron was just, like, a well-meaning dude that, like, had some questions, and Sargon was, of course, like, educating him.
unidentified		Yeah.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		And then I saw JonTron start to tweet out stuff like, if Japan's population can be all Japanese, why can't America's population be all white?
		And I'm like, aren't you, like, a Persian immigrant or something?
		That's kind of a weird thing for you to say.
		So then, eventually, we had a conversation on stream, and the conversation was not really me trying to, like, go after him.
		I was just, like, kind of asking him questions.
		I didn't know that he was as far along as he was.
unidentified		Because I remember when that happened, all his buddies-- I want to say Psychic Pebbles or whatever.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		They drew you-- The animators?
unidentified		They drew you retarded.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Psychic Pebbles, Ego Rep-- all these guys that I loved.
		I still like their work.
		I think they're funny.
		I hate their people now.
		But one of the animators for-- do you ever know a show called Metalopolis?
		Or Metalocalypse or whatever?
		Yeah.
		Yeah, that guy.
		Like, there were so many, like, big animators that came for my throat after that.
unidentified		This is crazy for me watching your come up because when I, I got, I like saw you around that time and I didn't like you.
		Then around like 2017, 20, maybe 26, 17?
		Shout out BedheadBernie for getting me into Destiny, but he got me down the Destiny pipeline.
		That was when you were debating all the skeptic guys, like Warski, Sargon.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Takasa.
unidentified		Takasa.
unidentified		Oh, Takasa.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		The crazy people.
unidentified		Well, this is the thing is all these guys that you interact with.
		I mean, whether it's the skeptics, whether it's RedTube, whether it's TheRedPill, I feel like you're kind of the one left standing.
		Obviously.
		Well, the thing is, they all ride these trends, right?
		They're all part of these waves.
		You never had, like, a wave of people you came up with.
		You kind of assimilate a little bit here and there to get in there.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And then you get out very quickly.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		People always call me, like, partisan or biased or whatever.
unidentified		My biggest strength is, if you go to Hasan's stream, for instance, you're going to Hasan's stream to see, like, what do progressives think.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		But if you go to a lot of, like, political people's streams, you're just trying to get, like, their political side of things.
unidentified		Yeah.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		But then when you come to my stream, you're getting, like, my relatively unique take.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Like, I'll have, like, different positions on different things, and people enjoy that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		But because of that What is the unique take?
		I'm sorry.
		Pretty sure he's just been in favor of everything that the mainstream media and the U.S.
		government has been.
		He's pro-Israel and pro-Ukraine.
		He's, like, left-leaning but not a socialist.
		Pro-free market but in favor of a social safety net.
		Sorry, where's the uniqueness?
		I'm pretty sure that's just the position of, like, Columbia University and the New York Times.
		Like, I'm sorry, what's unique about that?
		That's about as unique as mourning Joe.
		Mika Brzezinski and uh you know guys like less radical than than Chris Hayes.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I can kind of move through time without coming up and going away.
unidentified		You don't need to have a big watershed.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		The political movements like I didn't I didn't rely on Gamergate to build me up or I didn't need to be like a big Bernie bro progressive to build me up or I didn't need yeah.
unidentified		But it seemed like a big moment back in the day that was like a big kind of turning point for you a little bit.
unidentified		Someone leaked your dick pic on Reddit and that made like front page and I saw a bunch of people talking about how that kind of made you more like part of the Kotaku action kind of scene a little bit.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		My issue was just that basically, um, there was a subreddit.
		Have you ever heard of the subreddit?
		That's gonna be way before your time.
		Have you ever heard of a subreddit called ShitRedditSays?
unidentified		Barely.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Back in the day, this was like the SJW subreddit.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		SJW is what my generation called- Dude, who cares?
unidentified		That's what- You talked to Vosh about that.
unidentified		He came from there.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		He came from there, yeah.
		You can see, this is an example of the kind of structure that I'm referring to.
		But, um, ShitRedditSays is a subreddit that's trying to, like, witch hunt, basically, people's careers into the ground, and then I was one of their favorite people.
		So they would, like, email sponsors, and then if sponsors wouldn't drop me, they would email their sponsors' clients to get them to drop me.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Like, really hard- And this is just, like, small talk.
unidentified		Stuff drops.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		It's not even an interview, this is like small talk outside the green room.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		didn't ever want to be hostage or shit like that.
unidentified		Without getting into numbers of these things, like with a couple of stuff back in the day, did you take a big financial hit when you got kicked off Twitch or stuff like that?
unidentified		Was that like...
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Twitch was pretty shitty.
unidentified		Oh, shit.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's not even an interview.
		This is like small talk outside the green room.
		Shouldn't they have during this part like talk more about the debate or, you know, it just seems like inappropriate to be doing the deep dive in this, you know, guys holding the phone or whatever.
unidentified		Camera.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		When I got kicked off Twitch.
		I'm always kind of like, I run my own website with my own subs and everything.
		I'm always trying to stay a little bit independent because obviously I have to be able to weather the storms of political opposition.
unidentified		Scary.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is.
unidentified		Squirreling wing, that's for the winter.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Something like that, yeah.
unidentified		You don't seem too reckless with your money, which is probably a good thing.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean by that?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know what this is?
unidentified		Valencia?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		And then this is Gucci.
		They did custom designs for me.
		I don't know if this is... Versace?
		No, this is Neiman's.
unidentified		Damn.
		And now you're here.
		This is probably the most popular conservative you've debated?
		Who?
		Alex.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I've been on stage with him before.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Alex Jones has kind of tumbled a bit after the Sandy Hook ruling, I think.
unidentified		I'm Tom, and this is The Info War.
		I'm Ewing.
		I need a sip of coffee.
		I just put alpha brain in there.
		It's my form dude.
		It's important training.
		For the insurrection.
		I'll do it Mr. President.
		Anything you need.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I'll do it.
unidentified		What's up buddy?
unidentified		What's up?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		Nervous?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Not yet.
unidentified		The nerves are getting to you now.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		I know they are.
unidentified		Marcus!
		Calm before the storm.
		People live in Nebraska?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I know, I moved.
unidentified		Yeah, there you go.
		Dumbass.
		Call me a dumbass.
		I'm gonna fight this guy.
		We're gonna go to the gym tomorrow.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Dude, no.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to the gym.
unidentified		We're gonna smoke cigarettes and do pre-workout.
		We're gonna go to the gym.
		We're gonna get huge.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when I get back from this trip, okay?
unidentified		Tomorrow, you're gonna bench 225.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe I can bench half of it.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy a Turkey Tom's wearing the Chuck Taylors.
		That's just like such a stereotype of like a Twitter bro, you know.
		Guy wearing the Chuck Taylors is super into lifting and is like super into like getting pussy and wears like a hat and...
		Someone says Turkey Thomas, so 2014.
		More like 2018.
unidentified		Like, from the top to the bottom once.
		If you do it once, you'll beat Ben Shapiro.
		If you do it once... No, I'll save you, dude.
		I'll save you.
		I'll save you.
		I'll pull it off your neck, and I'll push it right now.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah?
unidentified		Vegan Gains will be proud of me.
		I wish Richard was here.
		Shoutout Malina.
		Big shoutout.
		I took her up on a job offer to be part of my production crew.
		She's helping out.
		She's actually great at Adobe After Effects.
		Can we recreate?
		It's melt time.
		It's Mel with guys.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		No, what the fuck?
unidentified		Uh-oh.
		Mel time.
		It's Mel time.
		Yeah.
		All right, we're about 10 minutes out Destiny's sitting over there.
		We've got some guy recognized from Tim Pool's show.
		Krasensteiner's sat over there.
		As soon as Destiny got here, he was like, did you read the indictments?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Paul Towne is in the chat!
		Everybody say hello to Paul Towne, 07s.
		Says, Turkey Tom is like Sam Hyde.
		Dude, that is such... Look, I kind of like Turkey Tom.
		Like, I think he likes me, so I like him a little bit also.
		But, uh... Paul Towne's just gonna rip Turkey Tom to pieces.
		It's been going off.
		It's too brutal.
unidentified		Like, he's on, he's ready.
		I can't think of a better person to debate about January 6th than Alex Jones.
		It's definitely going to be a contentious debate.
		Obviously, we're a non-political outlet here, so whatever your opinion is, I don't really care.
		You guys will enjoy it.
		You'll enjoy it.
		Stephen Bonnell, known as Destiny.
		Well, I don't think I'd probably need much of an introduction.
		Oh, there's no Russian connection!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's all this is!
unidentified		mRNA vaccines!
		Here, take your extra.
		I want you to take all the shots.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Global warming!
unidentified		You know what the United States is usually like?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait, here, we have... If we did one insurrection, you'd know it.
unidentified		We are there right now.
		We just went.
		It's January 6th.
		If there was any time to go... Don't worry.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I got your ass!
unidentified		Yes, that's correct.
		Really?
		We're doing this song?
		We're doing this song?
		Really inspired idea.
		Hey, hey, hey!
		Ding dong!
		Believe it or not, Trump believes that the election was stolen.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We're doing this song.
		We're doing this song.
		Really inspired idea.
unidentified		The legal recourse is available to him at the advice of his legal advisors.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		That is not true.
		And they used January 6th and this extremely inflated narrative.
		And they've made it now so that they can charge those people with felonies.
unidentified		Hey, hey, hey.
unidentified		Ding dong.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to invoke every other Democrat in his name.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		No name calling.
unidentified		No, it's ding dong.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Ding dong, whatever it is.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
unidentified		That's it!
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		And why are you saying that Section 3 of Amendment 14 requires a conviction?
		Alex, why did you say that Section 3 of Amendment 14 requires a conviction?
unidentified		Why is Hillary Trump in diet?
		Why is Hillary Trump in diet?
		Guys, guys, guys.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Why is Hillary Trump in diet?
unidentified		All right.
		I'm about to stand up, just so you know.
		That's it.
		We're done with this f***ing conversation.
		Let's go.
		How's it feel to lose?
		Let's go.
		You wanna say bye to anyone?
		Kisses?
		Meeting Alex Jones in person was pretty surreal considering how famous the guy is.
		Or maybe infamous is a better term.
		Alright, here we are ladies and gentlemen.
		January 6th, 2024.
		The debate itself was very entertaining though, but as many debates are, it wasn't very productive and didn't bring a lot of closure to either side.
		I think those who support J6 and those who don't are probably just as dug in as they were before, but regardless, it was funny.
		We just got done with the Alex Jones debate.
		Destiny, how do you feel about that?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I think it actually went okay.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		For you?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I would have done things differently on my own, but I think given what it was, I think it went pretty good, yeah.
unidentified		How do you feel about the opposing side?
		Ugh.
		Look at the the optics of this are not good.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We got this hair and like a black zip-up hoodie and the Chuck Taylors and this drip on the left.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Like bruh.
unidentified		We're excited with Alex Glenn.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Glenn is a clown.
		I didn't get to hammer home that enough unfortunately because Alex was also a clown but a much louder one so he kept cutting me off every time.
		The Darren guy seemed to be the one that came with the most facts to argue but he was most passive and didn't seem to talk as much because Alex was screaming all the time so.
unidentified		Yeah, I feel like probably either side, their audiences are probably not convinced of the other at this point.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so, not this much, probably not.
unidentified		No, you weren't even able to get... I think you did a lot of preparation for this one, except you weren't able to put a lot of that to good use.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I like to do like the factual argumentation combined with kind of like the punchy rhetorical skill, but that's hard to do when you've got partners.
		Like for Alex, if Alex wants to shout at me the whole time, I'll shout at him, I can do that forever.
		But then if my partners want to try me, I can't really shout over them.
		And then sometimes they can derail like a line of argumentation I want to go down, and I can't really interrupt them because I have to go in their space.
		But I will say for this conversation though, they were the best debate partners I've ever had.
unidentified		So this is one example of, you've done a lot of in-person debates and conversations and podcasts in the last, I want to say year and a half, it's really ramped up.
		Before that, it was mostly you in your room talking to people on stream.
		Now it feels like, you know, every few weeks I'll get a new video of you on my feed talking to someone that gets turned into a TikTok clip.
		You used to stream like 300 hours a month, and now you're getting down to like 160, 170, and your audience is kind of jilted about that.
		They're not too happy with that.
		Do you think that you're doing yourself a disservice by, you know, giving so much leverage to other people's platforms that you could be focusing on your own home?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously you have a lot of opponents.
		Who would you consider someone that you're like, okay, that's my buddy.
		That's a good buddy that I like to talk to.
		probably because I'm expanding so much. - And that's higher than you should be. - Yeah, and I'm showing up on more shows, I'm making more connections, like more people know about me, even if they're not necessarily viewers here or whatever, but going onto all the different platforms with all the totally different audiences, I think it's really good for awareness of me in general. - Obviously you have a lot of opponents.
unidentified		Who would you consider someone that you're like, okay, that's my buddy, that's a good buddy that I like to talk to.
unidentified		And maybe someone not from your community, not an orbiter, but somebody who you've had a conversation with on a mainstream platform.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Usually the people that I'm fighting with or disagree with are so out there compared to what I believe.
		It's hard to say if we mind-meld much.
		Because, like, there's a wide basket of people that I can talk to and have good conversations with, but we don't agree on everything.
unidentified		Do you think conservatives are retarded?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Not all of them, but the Trump-defending ones.
unidentified		There's a lot of videos of you saying conservatives are retarded.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I think the Trump-defending ones are unhinged.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I feel like all of my debates over this January 6th stuff is, like, pretty evident of that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's just, like... It's so tedious.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		None of these are effective questions.
unidentified		Preconceived, like, restricted around it.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think it kind of is, yeah.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe a little bit more.
unidentified		Well, like, when you find someone like that and you, like, cling on to them, and then within six months, that relationship just goes down the fucking shit.
unidentified		Doesn't that...
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I think that...
unidentified		That doesn't keep you up a little bit?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		No, because it's not like I relied on him a lot for something emotionally, or, like, for some kind of friendship or whatever.
		I just...
		He was a really interesting guy to talk to.
		He still is interesting, but he's also kind of trying to call me a rake-o, so...
unidentified		Yeah.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of weird, but...
unidentified		Yeah.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I think that if it was somebody like, um...
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Like if Molina had gone public and just took shit talking me a ton, I'd be like, "Oh, that's kinda shitty." Or if somebody that I consider a close actual personal friend started shit-talking me a ton, that would be like, oh, that doesn't feel good.
unidentified		I have, like, five people I call, like, good friends.
unidentified		You seem to have, like, I mean, I don't know, I don't really know, but you seem to have, like, a lot of connections with people you're constantly meeting.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've got a lot of connections with people.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I'm probably a few close personal friends, yeah.
unidentified		Do you think your lifestyle is making these things messy?
unidentified		I mean, a lot of people will point to your relationships, like the polyamorous relationships.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Melina considered Bob Seven her closest friend, and it seemed as though he felt somewhat similar.
		So, like, he's made references to, like, oh, I hope... existence.
		Abortion was the correct action here.
unidentified		You talked about how missing Nebraska a little bit and thinking about how maybe things could have been different if you had stuck around to be with your kid.
		Do you regret how things went there?
		Do you wish you were... Regret which part?
		I guess just not being there all the time.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, like, yeah, to some extent, of course.
		When I originally was there in Nebraska, I felt like being there was, like, super inhibiting to my career.
		So I had a little bit of a conversation with his mom about, like, could all of us maybe move to California or Florida, but that was, like, completely off the table.
unidentified		Was this when you were together?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Uh, no, but we were, like, still co-parenting.
		Obviously, because she had her whole family there, and his mom had her job and everything there, like, she doesn't want to just pack up and move states.
		He's kind of locked down there for as long as he wants to be with his mom and his family and his friends there.
		And then, I feel like, or I felt like if I lived in different areas, there'd probably be a lot more career opportunities available to me.
		Some people said I just moved places with people, but I mean, I was just flying with people, so.
		I waited until he turned eight, because I was trying to think, like, well, do I want to leave when he's, like, two?
		That feels kind of weird, because he doesn't even know who I am.
		So I waited a little bit, like, at least eight, we can have a conversation, he can kind of understand it.
		When he was, I think, either eight or nine, I moved to California initially, so that, um, him and his mom, because they were living, like, in a kind of a shitty apartment at the time, and then she moved into my house with him, and so he lives there now, so he'd go to the same school and hang out with his family and everything.
unidentified		Then you wish you were, like, I don't know.
unidentified		I'm not trying to do a gotcha millionaire, I'm just genuinely curious, I hope you don't feel like that.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, like, more present, or more, yeah, for sure.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Like, to some extent, like, I'm, I prioritize probably my career a little bit, over, like, my relationship with him.
unidentified		Yeah.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, God will judge us.
unidentified		God will.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I remember that, like, there was a period where I look back at these texts sometimes, it was so unbelievable.
		I'm, like, texting my kid's mom, saying shit like, I'm a horrible person, like, take Nathan away from me, I don't ever want to see him again, like, I'm a horrible, blah, blah, blah.
		And it's like, I'd never say anything like that in my life.
		I'm the most high-driven, like, competent person.
		It was, like, crazy to me to see it.
		But, yeah, I mean, like, I try to provide, obviously, financially for him as much as I can.
		But, I mean, obviously, that's also no substitution for...
		Like having your dad hang out with you every day.
		Yeah, I guess at the end of the day it's balancing out like, after this I'm going to fly and visit him on my way back to Miami.
		But obviously that's not the same as living there.
		No.
unidentified		You see him, you see him what, a few times a year at least?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean like several times a year.
		Usually whenever I'm doing trips or traveling, I'll fly out and hang out with him.
		And then we talk kind of on Discord and stuff, although he kind of gravitated a little more from games and does real life shit now, so.
unidentified		Well that's good.
		He's not like you though, he's normal.
		Not good.
		Is he like you?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's a carbon copy of me, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, his mom reminds me all the time.
unidentified		Wow, that's funny.
unidentified		I bet she loves that.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for sure.
unidentified		Damn, that's kinda sad.
		That's like your whole shit.
		You're like, I have this a little bit, but you're like psychotically hit.
		Like, I don't even know.
		Do you take a lot of days off?
		You just seem like you're so on.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think every part of my life kind of revolves around it.
		But I also super enjoy it too.
		Like I said, like if I worked at McDonald's, I would come home and probably get on Twitter and like start fighting with people and shit.
unidentified		Yeah.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		That's just, yeah.
unidentified		You did it for 15 years.
		Is this like, this is it?
		You think till you die?
		Who knows?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe I'll retire soon and go hang out with my kid more.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Or maybe I'll get banned from everything, so.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		With the Alex Jones debate officially wrapped up, So he said he abandoned his kid in Nebraska so he could go work in California and Florida, right?
unidentified		Sheesh. - Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Paul Towns says, I thought Turkey Tom was Brad Pitt for a second.
unidentified		Dude.
		Oh, bro.
		Yeah, me too.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I thought he was Ryan Gosling.
		I thought he was Ryan Gosling.
		He was wearing that fit.
		He was wearing the tights and Chuck Taylors.
		I was like, dude, he's literally Ryan Gosling right now.
		Bro's literally him.
		That's very sad, though, that He abandoned the son.
		Doesn't seem to care too much about him, but you know, that's his life.
unidentified		That's the lifestyle of a... He's just regurgitating what Tucker Carlson said on that interview about cigarettes, right?
		friends, my bank account.
		I've never had a cigarette that like me up in like a bad way.
		Like every time I want to be like, oh, that was good.
		That made my day better.
		That made my life improve.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so he's just regurgitating what Tucker Carlson said on that interview about cigarettes, right?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Is that what this is now?
unidentified		My car.
		Your day in Austin to just hang out.
		I've never had a Camel Cross that did me wrong, you know?
		Unlike cars, my friends, my bank account, I've never had a cigarette that, like, f***ed me up in, like, a bad way.
		Like, every time I've had one, I've been like, oh, that was good.
		That made my day better.
		That made my life improve.
		I feel stronger, lighter, focused.
		I feel lasered in.
		I feel dialed in.
		I feel like my swag, which was turned low, was just turned way the f*** up, okay?
		So smoke more cigarettes.
		Do you have any weapons that are made for, like, maybe, like, younger individuals?
		I don't think so.
		You don't think so?
		So you say that maybe someone of his stature probably is not allowed to shoot a gun?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Good one.
unidentified		Okay.
		Okay, that's fair.
		That makes sense.
		Okay.
		I appreciate it.
		We didn't want to get that.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		He meant no as in he wouldn't say that.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		No as in not that I'm not allowed to shoot.
unidentified		No as in you cannot shoot a gun.
unidentified		No, that's not what he said.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		It was a double negative.
unidentified		No as in your IQ is too low to shoot a gun.
		I feel a presence.
		If I come to your house and I'm banging on the door, and I'm saying, open up, are you going to come out with a glock and kill me?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I would shoot you from the window.
unidentified		From the window?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Like a sniper?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Chris Kyle?
		Exactly.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		The thing that's talking about guns is that most people that are into guns are also retarded The Donut Alberta guy seems cool.
		I haven't seen him say anything or do anything stupid, but I know, like, uh, the problem is sometimes he ain't about a lot of, like, very political people.
		Like, the last gun thing they did, I saw f***ing Alex Stein was there.
		I, like, I'm not gonna be in any proximity to this f***ing guy at all, so, yeah.
unidentified		You wanna be around him?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I don't.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I'll never.
unidentified		About him?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Anybody that goes into, like, the kid jokes or the wife jokes, I just, I never associate with a gun.
unidentified		Which is stupid.
		That's the lie.
		What?
		Well, I feel like it's like you hang out with a lot of people who you maybe would consider kind of... I don't know.
		I mean, okay.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		That's usually my red line.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		That's why I cut off Sneako and Zerkaa completely.
unidentified		Here's one criticism I have for you.
unidentified		Real criticism.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, criticize me, baby.
unidentified		Fuentes.
		One of the biggest criticisms Destiny gets is in regards to platforming controversial people, like Nick Fuentes, head of the America First movement.
		Some people believe he should not be platforming far-right figures because there is implicit danger if their ideas spread.
		Others believe these ideas need to be debated out in the open.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Whether or not he was a Nazi or wouldn't wouldn't have changed him coming on my platform.
		I think for a while America First was trying to get away from the crazy ultra like Jewish Nazi shit.
		There's still like memes and jokes but I do think they were especially with like AfPak and everything I think they were trying to move towards like a little bit more mainstream like probably still like a little bit of the Nazi jokes and shit but less than they were before but I think that as soon as he got hooked up with Kanye I think all of that went completely back and now they're like totally back.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's totally that's totally his reading of that.
		When we linked up in 2022, he was telling his audience, he's like, oh, I think these guys aren't Nazis anymore.
		I think these guys are like, they don't, they're not against Jewish power anymore.
		That was never true.
		At AfPak 3, I went up and said, oh, you know, Putin's, they're calling Putin Hitler like it's a bad thing or something like that.
		They're always trying to do this de-radicalization op where they're like, oh well, I think they're good boys, or I think they're trying to be good boys, but they're being naughty.
		They're talking about Jews and Israel again.
		So, I've heard that my entire career.
		It's always been, oh, we're always just on the cusp of de-radicalizing, but then we just keep doubling down.
		From the beginning, it's always been against Jewish power.
		from Groyper War and even before.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Fuentes was on a bit of an upshoot before the Kanye shit.
		AFTAC was really successful.
		They got what like two congresspeople?
unidentified		Marjorie- Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a really big deal.
		That's more than any f*ing lefty has ever done for their f*ing shit on YouTuber.
		What I'm criticizing is points of view.
		What I tell people is you should just criticize the point of view because the problem is that when you run into somebody, especially somebody who's like a little bit more politically adept, like Fuentes or an American person, you go, "Oh, you're a Nazi." But then you cut him off.
		What?
		million things that like actual Nazis believe and they're gonna say we break from Nazis here and then you're just gonna look like an idiot rather than call somebody a Nazi like just criticize the positions like I disagree with front is unlike the any race realism shit any like weird immigration shit any like race-based pot like stuff like that but I'll just put on the policies but people are very quick just like oh he's a Nazi and then it's like done and then you cut him off but you kind of like you wouldn't do content right now trying to The current reason I've listened to Blacklist is because he does the crazy, aggressive, de-platforming shit.
		Like, the griper people will spam report people if they don't like you, which I think is hypocritical and annoying.
unidentified		Haven't you done that a little bit?
unidentified		I've seen some old video of you reporting Nick's Twitch getting a ban.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Did that ever happen?
unidentified		That's true.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's so crazy.
		Well, I'm trying to remember the current reason I blacklisted him.
		Oh, yeah, it's because they report people like crazy.
		Oh, you do that all the time.
		Didn't you even do that to Nick?
		Oh, I don't know.
		Did that happen?
		Yes.
		Yes, it fucking did.
unidentified		2018 or something.
unidentified		You saw he was on Twitch.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		You should ask my community also if you ever want lore because they know shit better than I do sometimes.
		There was a big 2v2 debate that I had with me and Hasan versus Nick Fuentes and Sargon of Akkad and I remember after that stream Nick's stream got banned and I complained on stream and I messaged my partner contact because I said like like just curious like why did he get banned and Because if I'm debating somebody, saying I'm pro-platforming, and then they get banned afterwards, that makes me look stupid.
		Like, why the f*** would I ever do that?
		But there might have been- because I know that people say I spam reported Nick after that debate, and I'm almost positive I didn't.
unidentified		There's some video of you on stream, not spam reporting, where you actively are, like, pressing to report.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		That might have been a year before, or two years earlier, but there was a time when I first started getting into politics where I kind of believed in the, like, well, maybe we shouldn't platform, like, certain points of view, but that position has changed over time.
		By the time COVID rolled around, my position was, I don't care about, like, hate speech or anything like that, but I can understand people banning for, like, aggressive, like, misinformation or disinformation.
		Like, people just, like, lie online.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So crazy.
		Like, just pretending not to even know it.
		Of course he knows exactly what Tom's talking about.
		He reported me on stream.
		And his community brigaded me after that debate, which was in 2019.
		Oh, my position changed, did it?
		Is that why you... He mass-reported Hasan.
		He mass-reported Keffels.
		He mass-reported...
		Not that it even fucking matters, but just to the point, the guy's a total liar and a hypocrite.
		Well, the current reason I don't talk to him is because he mass flags people.
		Don't you mass flag people?
		Well, not anymore.
		Well, first of all, yes you do.
		Well, didn't you mass report Nick?
		Oh, I don't remember.
		Well, there's a video of you doing it.
		Oh, I think that was in 2018.
		Okay, so you're just a liar on every level.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Racial slurs, whatever, that's another thing.
		But prior to that, I kind of went back and forth to where I was like, well, maybe we should, like, debate everybody.
		But then I would get salty because when I would get banned, they would all cheer on, like, me getting banned.
		And I think at some point I'm like, well, f*** these guys.
		So I kind of go back and forth.
		But for the past, like, two or three years, I've been pretty, like, yeah.
unidentified		Because there was a time in 2018 when you would talk about, like, people who deserve to be deplatformed are people who actively spread misinformation on social media.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was when I was on the misinformation thing, yeah.
unidentified		But you don't hold that opinion anymore?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that works.
unidentified		Why not?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Because one, because the ideas are really pervasive, so... W Tom, though, by the way.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		W Tom for pushing back on that.
		Patriot Turkey Tom.
		Objective.
		objective and came with the receipts. - Doesn't really just ban them out of existence.
		Obviously it didn't work for COVID. - So take it easy, Paul Town.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		He did a good, Tom was based for doing that. - And it doesn't work for Trump misinformation.
		It didn't work for vaccine misinformation.
		So you probably have to be able to like confront it and deal with it.
		And then two, it's because I had a big shift in terms of how I viewed like combating misinformation.
		For a long time, you've heard like the saying, like the truth can barely come out.
		We don't spend a lot.
		before like a lie gets halfway around the world.
		There's like all these things or whatever.
		A lot of people on the right spend a lot of time making their stuff very entertaining, very funny.
		And that's how they're so good at like messaging to people. - We just are funny.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We don't spend a lot, we just are funny. - On the left just like don't even try.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I think if you try hard enough, I think you can combat it.
unidentified		It just takes a lot of effort. - So you'd say probably these viewpoints, you have a very pragmatic approach to them.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		All of it is pragmatic.
unidentified		Like, whatever works.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Societally, if it did get rid of those opinions to censor all that misinformation, all those people, you'd be in favor of deplatforming.
unidentified		If it was just like, you get them off the platform and then it's the water stops.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I think it would depend on the type of misinformation and the level of harm, I think.
		Let's say, hypothetically, let's say there was some piece of misinformation you could spread that would get people to, like, um, eat Tide Pods or something.
		And let's say that this particular piece of information was so juicy that, like, if somebody heard it, there was, like, a 30% chance that they were going to start eating Tide Pods.
		I might still agree, well, maybe this speech needs to be banned because, like, 100 million people just died from eating Tide Pods.
		Maybe.
		I can't imagine there's anything like that, but, I mean, people just need to do a better job at arguing them.
unidentified		How come one side of your beard really comes in and the other doesn't?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Because it's called alopecia.
		I got so stressed out when I was f***ing your mom in the ass after she told me she had AIDS.
		That I was worried for a while I was gonna get HIV, and then a bunch of hair fell out.
unidentified		It's kind of interesting, because it's like a very like... There's like none there, and it's all there.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I was half joking, but I'm serious, yeah.
unidentified		Oh, it looks nice?
unidentified		You think it looks nice?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's fucked.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but this is like a thing that hopefully comes back in six months.
unidentified		Having any is... Having any facial hair is good.
		Okay, hold on.
		You're the person that... You're the person that she's rizzing right now.
		Can we get like a... Can we get like a review?
		Like, how would you review Destiny's appearance?
		Like, how would we review Destiny?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Shut up.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		No, stop.
unidentified		Let's go.
		This is Destiny's new trad princess, by the way.
		This is Destiny's, guys, we're here with Destiny's trad groipette.
		Destiny's red-pilled girlfriend, okay?
		We're gonna make the Aryan race proud.
		Wait, do you have blue eyes?
		Whoa!
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		That's beautiful.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Nice.
unidentified		You're unsafe right now.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I know I am.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sighting my target, okay?
unidentified		I'm trying to be a safe gun.
unidentified		Jesus!
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Let me operate, okay?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		My god!
unidentified		I feel more badass now.
		That's good.
		Oh my god, I'm in Destiny's car!
		Um, can we play all the classic Destiny tracks?
		Like, um, do you love black people?
		Haha, dude!
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my god, the one with the Jesse Lee Peterson?
unidentified		Destiny.
		Uh, how did you get the name?
		Is that a lady name?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Uh, yeah, kind of.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I made it when I was like nine.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		Uh, and why?
unidentified		You pretend to be a woman?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		No, I just have a feminine name, I guess.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a girl name.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		Ma'am.
unidentified		Yeah, dude, like, when he, like, called you a beta, I was like, oh, that was so good!
		So we decided to do some fun gamer things, some fun soy things with Destiny, which included going to an arcade bar, the favorite watering hole among soy gamers in Texas.
		Although, in fairness, I actually enjoyed it quite a bit, so count me in, I guess.
		Oh, were you on easy and he was on medium?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		We were both on medium.
unidentified		Oh my god.
		Yeah, horribly?
		I feel like I play your mom's voice.
		Yeah, horribly.
		True.
		Probably one of the most awkward things is when you're like, somebody comes up to you in a public area, they're kind of like chatting with you and you're not sure if they're a fan or if it's like somebody talking to you and you're going to be like, I don't mean to sound like conceited, but like, do you know who I am?
		Do you know who I am?
		Have you had it happen where they don't?
		Yeah, yeah, and then I'm like, oh, no, no, I just went like, yeah, oh, yeah, it's so awkward.
		That's like, that must come across like such a fucking dickhead.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Your masculinity's on the line here.
unidentified		I'm a beta male, but I win.
		Yeah, you are.
		Oh, don't let him get you!
		Oh!
		Oh!
		Okay, okay, okay!
		Oh, my God!
		Oh!
		Oh, my God, not the punch thing!
		No!
		Why'd you have to teach her the fucking punch thing, dude?
		Of course you picked the board fight-looking asshole.
		Oh, no!
		Dude, my arms are shorter!
		Oh, I can do... No way!
		No!
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		No way!
unidentified		No!
		No!
		No!
		Look at how tiny his hands are.
		No way!
		No!
		No!
		Look at these baby hands.
		That's crazy.
		What the f*** is that?
		That's ridiculous.
		That's the most insane thing I've ever seen in my life.
		No!
		You cheated!
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I cheated, that's true.
unidentified		There you go.
		It's not going.
		Why don't you play the f***ing game?
		Are they gonna f***?
		Like, what's going on?
		What is this?
		He's all up on it.
		Figure it out.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Figure the fuck out, Steven.
unidentified		I don't know.
		No, no, no, no.
		You know how to play it.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
unidentified		You told me you know how to play it.
		You can play it.
		You're a good guy.
		Oh, you're so good.
		Wait, you're so good.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Wait, I didn't know you were so good at this game.
unidentified		With our time in Austin out of the way, it was time for the second stop on our journey, Alexandria, Louisiana.
		There, we met up with Kennedy and Baker of Intuitive Defense on YouTube.
		Where can we find your stuff on YouTube for the fans at home?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		At intuitivedefense.com.
unidentified		I knew that in case there was an armed conflict, Destiny needed to put the Soylent down for a moment and pick up a Glock to defend himself from the Libtard horde.
		Alright, so we're on route currently to shoot guns with Destiny.
		We're in Alexandria, Louisiana.
		I've never been somewhere with, like, so much nothing.
		Keep in mind, I'm from, like, New England.
		I'm from, like, a small town in New England.
		We're going to be saving America from the diggity.
		What's up, D?
		Yeah, dude.
		Anything for you.
		So, I feel like you haven't been in enough controversy.
		And obviously, you need just a little more.
		No, come back, come back!
		I'm defending this country against the soy libtards like you!
		Cuck!
		He's running away.
		I'm gonna go get him.
		I'll defend America.
		I'll defend America.
		I'm gonna fight for Nancy Pelosi.
		Matt Gaetz owns you!
		Matt Gaetz owns you, little bro.
		The right wing owns you.
		The right owns you.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I'm gonna cuck you so hard.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Alright.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you know what?
unidentified		Okay.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Alright, I think I've had enough.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think I've had enough of this.
unidentified		What are we watching?
		It's making me embarrassed.
		I'm not even in it and I'm embarrassed by it.
		I'm embarrassed to be watching it in front of you.
		Bruh.
		Yeah.
		Yikes department.
		Okay.
		Yeah.
		I think that's gonna... I think I've seen enough of this.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Are we good to move on?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we'll revisit it later.
unidentified		But yeah, I think I'm... I don't need to watch any more of this.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		I'm pleased to announce my new tour for 2024.
		Beginning in early February and running through June, Tammy and I, an assortment of special guests, are going to visit 51 cities in the U.S.
		You can find out more information about this on my website, JordanBPeterson.com, as well as accessing all relevant... So I guess we might as well start by letting the people who don't know who you are get to know who you are with a little bit more precision.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You understand, I feel like they're promoting him now because he's pro-Israel.
		I feel like that's a big part of this, because he's like a... Yeah, you know, now that I'm saying it makes perfect sense, like... Because Destiny made a very calculated decision to come out as pro-Israel after the October 7th thing, and since then he's been with Shapiro, he's been with Jordan Peterson, they're both The Daily Wire, and it's almost like...
		Because of course the pro-Israel right-wing people hate that the left is now anti-Israel.
		They hate that there are so many anti-Israel people on the left.
		So it seems like the Jewish right, the pro-Israel right, is elevating destiny as an acceptable version of left-wing politics that isn't anti-Israel.
		Because all the other ones, the pro-BLM, the socialists, militant identity politics, non-whites, they're all pro-Palestine.
		Destiny evidently is maybe one of the only pro, like, very pro-Israel ones.
		So that would explain why he's making the rounds, especially at Daily Wire.
		And they were being sympathetic towards him.
		Same thing with Alex Jones.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		It's a pretty broad question.
		I think I started streaming around 15 years ago when it wasn't really a thing yet.
		There were a few people that... on my main channel.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think I probably do between all three... It's crazy because Destiny is literally does drugs, is a total degenerate, Twice divorced, polyamorous, bisexual, leftist, but he'll be interviewed by Jordan Peterson.
		That's what I was talking about earlier with Candace Owens and Dave Rubin.
		This is the acceptable range of discourse.
		If you're a bisexual cuck, who is left-wing and says the N-word, talks about killing people.
		Well, Jordan Peterson will interview you.
		If you're just anti-Israel, you're on the blacklist.
		You're anti-Jewish, anti-Israel, you're on the blacklist.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I think around 15 to 20 million views.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		This is just an interview, straight up.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Let's start talking more broadly then on the political side.
		So how would you characterize the difference, in your opinion, between the left and the conservative?
		Political viewpoints?
unidentified		Oof.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		On a...
		On a very, very, very broad level, if there's some
		I would say if there's some, like, good world that we're all aiming for, I think people on the left seem to think that a collection of taxes from a large population that goes into a government that's able to precisely kind of dole out where that tax money goes, you're basically able to take the problems of society, you're able to scrape off, hopefully, a not super significant amount of money from people that can afford to give a lot of money, and then through government programs and redistribution, you target that
		Those taxes, essentially, to people that kind of need whatever bare minimum to take advantage of opportunities in society.
		And then on the conservative end, I guess a conservative would generally think that, why would the government take my money?
		I think from a community point of view, through churches, through community action, through families, we can better allocate our own dollars to our own friends and family to help them and give them the things that they need so that they can better participate and thrive in society, basically.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so one of the things that I've always found a mystery, and I think there's an equal mystery on the left and on the right in this regard, is that the more conservative types tend to be very skeptical of big government, and the leftist types tend to be more skeptical of big corporations.
		Okay, so following through the logic that you just laid out, you made the suggestion that one of the things that characterizes people on the left is the belief that government can and should act as an agent of distribution.
		A potential problem for that is the gigantism of the government that does that.
		Now the conservatives are skeptical about gigantism and likewise the liberals, the progressives in particular, we'll call them progressives, are skeptical of the reach of gigantic corporations.
		And I've always seen a commonality in those two in that both of them are skeptical of gigantism.
		And so one of the things that I Concerned about, generally speaking, with regard to the potential for the rise of tyranny, is the emergence of giants.
		One potential problem with the view that the government can and should act as an agent of redistribution is that there is an incentive put in place.
		Two kinds of incentives.
		Number one, a major league incentive towards gigantism and tyranny.
		And number two, an incentive for psychopaths who use compassion to justify their grip on power to take money and to claim that they're doing good.
		And I see that happening everywhere now, particularly in the name of compassion.
		And it's one of the things that's made me very skeptical, in particular about the left, and at least about the progressive edge of the left.
		So I'm curious about what you think about those two.
		First of all, it's a paradox to me.
		That the conservatives and the leftists face off each other with regard to their concern about different forms of gigantism and don't seem to notice that the thing that unites them is some antipathy.
		This is especially true for the libertarians, some antipathy towards gigantic structures per se.
		And so then I would say with regards to your antithesis between Liberalism and conservatives.
		The conservatives are pointing to the fact that there are intermediary forms of distribution that can be utilized to solve the social problems that you're describing that don't bring with them the associated problem of gigantism.
		It's been shocking to me to watch the left, especially in the last six years, ally itself, for example, with pharmaceutical companies, which was something I'd never thought I would see in my lifetime.
		For decades, the only gigantic corporations the left was more skeptical of than the fossil fuel companies were the pharmaceutical companies.
		And that all seemed to vanish overnight around the COVID time.
		So, I know the story.
		That's a lot of things to throw at you, but it sort of outlines the territory that we could probably investigate productively.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so a couple things.
		I would say that the current political landscape we have, I think, is less—I understand the concept of conservatives supporting corporations and liberals supporting large government.
		I think today the divide we're starting to see more and more is more of like a populist, anti-populist rise or even like an institutional or anti-institutional rise.
		So, for instance, I think conservatives today in the United States are largely characterized with, I would say, with populism.
		and that they're supporting certain figures, namely right now Donald Trump, who they think alone can kind of lead them against the corrupt institutions, be them corporate or government.
		I feel like most conservatives today are not as trustful of big corporations as they were back in the Bush era where conservatives would champion big corporations.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		- Yeah, I think that's right. - Yeah. - That's a strange thing 'cause it makes the modern conservatives a lot more like the '60s leftists.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Potentially, yeah.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that brings us into the issue, too, of whether the left-right divide is actually a reasonable way of construing the current political landscape at all.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		And I'm not sure it is.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Right now, it kind of is, but only because so many conservatives are following Trump.
		So, like, your populist, anti-populist thing kind of maps on kind of cleanly to the left and right.
		It doesn't work with progressives, though, or the far left, because they're also anti-large everything.
		So, in a surprising way, on very, very far left people, you might find them having a bit more in common with kind of like a MAGA Trump supporter than like a center-left liberal.
		So, for instance, like both of these groups of people on the very far left will be very dovish on foreign policy, probably a little bit more isolationist.
		They're not a big fan of like a ton of immigration or a ton of trade with other countries.
		They might think that there's a lot of institutional capture of both government and corporations, so both all of the MAGA supporters and the far, far left might think that corporations don't have our best interest at heart and the government is corrupt and captured by lobbyists.
		Yeah, you'll see a lot of overlap there.
		Right.
		I think that sometimes there's a couple things.
		One is just something I feel like I've discovered.
		People have no principles.
		I think that people are largely guided by whatever is kind of satisfying them or making them feel good at the time.
		I think it's a really important thing to understand because people's beliefs will seem to change at random.
		If you're trying to imagine that a belief is coming from some underlying principle or is governed by some internal, you know, like moral or reasonable code or whatever.
		I think generally there are large social groups and people kind of follow them along from thing to thing, which is why you end up in strange worlds sometimes where, you know, like the position on vaccines and being an anti-vaxxer might have been seen as something, you know, 10 years ago it was kind of like a hippie leftist and now maybe it's more like a conservative or it's associated more with like MAGA Trump supporters or whatever.
		I think as a result of how the social groups move around.
		When it comes to the — you mentioned this, like, gigantism thing.
		That's another thing where I'm not sure if people actually care about gigantism or if they're using it as a proxy for other things that they don't like.
		Like, I could totally imagine — Well, I care about it.
		Sure, yeah, you might.
		Yeah, sorry, I just mean in general.
		That's okay.
		Because, like, I could imagine somebody saying that, like, they don't trust, like, a large government, they think there's too much, you know, prone to tyranny or something like that, but also be supportive of an institution like the Catholic Church, which is literally, you know, one guy who is a direct line to God.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Right, but they can't tax.
		And they don't have a military.
		And they can't conscript you.
unidentified		True, yeah.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		And they can't throw you in jail.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		That is true, yeah.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Well, those are major... Boom!
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Boom!
unidentified		Eat shit!
		Just get annihilated!
		W. Jordan Peterson.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		W. Jordan Peterson, defense of the Catholics?
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I get that.
		I get the overlap.
		Don't get me wrong.
unidentified		Sure.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		But I'm saying, like, even if you had a local government, like a local, like if you had a state government or tribe, usually they've got some form of enacting punishment.
		It'll be sometimes more brutal, but they can throw you in jail.
		Conscription hasn't existed in the U.S.
		since the Vietnam War.
		Yet.
		I mean, yet.
		W. W. Dude.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Dude.
unidentified		W, W, dude.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Dude, serious old head.
unidentified		True.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Old head smacked.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		So yeah, I think that...
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		This is Ric Flair shit.
		Yeah, cross out your notes, bitch.
		Your notes can't help you against a true old head.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I guess when I look at...
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		So let's go back to the redistribution issue.
		I mean, we pay 65% of our income at, say, upper middle class, middle class to upper middle class level in Canada.
		It isn't obvious to me at all that that money is well used.
		In fact, quite the contrary.
		In my country now, our citizens make 60%, they produce 60% of what you produce in the US.
		That's plummeted over the last 20 years as state intervention has increased.
		I'm not convinced that the claim that The interests of people who lack opportunity are best served by state intervention.
		And there's a couple of reasons for that.
		I mean, first of all, I'm aware of the relationship between inequality and social problem.
		There's a very well-developed literature on that, and it essentially shows that the more arbitrary, the broader the reach of inequality in a political institution of any given size, the more social unrest.
		So where all people are poor, there isn't much social unrest.
		And where all people are rich, there isn't much social unrest.
		But when there's a big gap between the two, there's plenty.
		And that's mostly driven by disaffected young men who aren't very happy that they can't climb the hierarchy.
		There are barriers in their way.
		And so there is reason to ameliorate relative poverty.
		The problem with that, to some degree, is that most attempts to ameliorate relative poverty tend to increase absolute poverty.
		And they do it dramatically.
		And the only solution that we've ever been able to develop to that is something approximating a free market system.
		I wouldn't call it a capitalist system, because I think that's capture of the terminology by the radical leftists.
		It's a free exchange system.
		The price you pay for a free exchange system is you still have inequality, but the advantage you gain is that the absolute levels of privation plummet.
		And I think the data on that are, I think they're absolutely conclusive.
		Especially, and that's been especially demonstrated in the radical decrease in rates of poverty since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1989.
		Because we've lifted more people out of poverty in the last four decades than we had in the entire course of human history up to that date.
		And that's not least because The statist interventionist types who argued for a radical state-sponsored redistribution lost the Cold War.
		And that freed up Africa to some degree and certainly the Southeast Asian countries to pursue something like a free trade economy.
		And that instantly made them rich.
		That instantly made them rich, even China.
		So, well, so that's an argument, let's say, on the side of free exchange, but it's also an argument, twofold argument pointing out how we ameliorate absolute poverty, which should be a concern for leftists, but doesn't seem to be anymore, by the way.
		And also an argument for the maintenance of a necessary inequality, Like, I'm not sure that inequality can be decreased beyond a certain degree without that decrease causing other serious problems.
		And we can talk about that, but it's a complicated problem.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but for one point of clarification, when you say leftist, what do you mean by that?
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was going with your definition, like essentially the core idea being something like the central problem being one of relative inequality and distribution of resources, and the central solution to that being something like state-sponsored economic intervention.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's other ways we could define left or right, and we can do that, but I'll stick with the one that you brought forward to begin with.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha, gotcha.
		Okay, I only want to be clear on that because because people get mad if I call myself a leftist.
		Oftentimes online or in, especially in Europe or worldwide, leftists will refer exclusively to like socialists or communists.
		And anybody to the right of that would be considered like a liberal.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		No, usually a fascist.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Well, depending on your- Very rapidly.
		Yeah, yeah.
		I just wanted to be clear on that.
		So I'm absolutely a pro-capitalist, pro-premarket guy.
		I'm never gonna... Okay, okay.
		Yeah, yeah.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		Okay, okay.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's good to get that clear.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Because I would argue that when you look at, like, the fall of the Soviet Union, or you look at the failure of, like, socialist or communist regimes, I don't know if the issue there was so much redistribution.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		I think the problem... That was one of many issues.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it was an issue at all, actually, I would say.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I think the issue was, uh, command- Wait a minute, wait a minute.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean redistribution wasn't an issue?
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		What the hell do you think they did to the kulaks?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Boom!
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		Boom!
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		That was forced redistribution.
		It resulted in the death of six million people.
		Yeah, what do you mean?
		So maybe I'm not understanding what you mean, but that was redistribution at its most pinnacle.
		Did I hear you right, son?
unidentified		Yeah, listen here.
		Did I hear you right, sonny?
		What do you mean?
		Get over here, bitch.
		It's get over here.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		It was brutal.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		When I think of the strengths of capitalism.
unidentified		Peter's just eating this guy for breakfast, dude.
unidentified		In the clutches of Jordan P.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		The ability for markets to dynamically respond to shifting consumer demand is like the reason why capitalism and free market economies dominate the world.
		When you've got socialist or communist systems, command economies, where a government is trying to say, this is how much this is going to cost, this is how much you're going to produce and make, this is a failed way of managing a state economy.
		Even in places where they still do it, there are always shadow economies and stuff.
		There were in the Soviet Union that prop up where people tried to Basically ameliorate the conditions that are resulting from said horrible command economy practices.
		So I guess in a way you could argue a command economy is kind of like redistribution.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about the socialist calculation problem and the price mechanism.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's what you're talking about.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		A form of it, but... No, it's a worse problem.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		If you're pointing to the fact that that's a worse problem, I'm with you 100%.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would say that's definitely the reason why these places failed because they just weren't able to respond to changing conditions.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so what's the difference between...
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		They're probably not a kidnapper or a serial killer, but why would you phase and steal on the internet or abuse devices?
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jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so what's the difference between a state that attempts to redistribute to foster equality of opportunity and a command economy?
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Is it a difference of a degree?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Like, are you looking at models Let's say, like, the Scandinavian countries, or... I wouldn't use Canada, by the way, because Canada is now... It's crazy how, like, conservatives like Jordan Peterson are still in this conversation about socialism versus capitalism.
unidentified		Seriously?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Like, those are obviously not the most pressing problems.
		The biggest reality of the world today Is the Global South migration to the North.
		That's the biggest problem.
		It's not about the economic system or the extent of private ownership or the tax burden in the Western European countries.
		It's a mass migration of Africans and Arabs into Europe and of everybody into the United States.
		That is the central issue.
		But still, like, I feel like I'm back in high school.
		It's 2014 all over again.
		We're having conversation about, well, the problem with socialism is that they don't know how much stuff to make because capitalism has all of the consumers and producers in the market contributing information through the price mechanism.
		The definition of economy is about relative scarcity.
		Like, are we really doing this?
		So when you say redistribution, do you mean like the Scandinavian model?
		Social democracy?
		Seriously?
		2024, this is what we're talking about?
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		What would you call it?
		Predicted by economic analysts to have the worst performing economy for the next four decades of all the developed world.
		So maybe we'll just leave the example of Canada off the table.
		Scandinavian countries are often the polities that are pointed to by, I would say, by people who, at least in part, are putting forward a view of They're not homogenous, they're homogeneous.
		Big difference.
unidentified		Yes, yes, yes.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Socialist healthcare in Finland does not work in the United States because it has a small homogeneous population.
		Until now, they were very ethnically homogenous.
		Exactly.
		And that makes a big difference.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They're not homogenous, they're homogeneous.
		Big difference.
		Yes, yes, yes.
		Socialist healthcare in Finland does not work in the United States because it has a small homogeneous population.
		How many times have we heard this argument over the last 10 years?
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		You're trying to flatten out the redistribution.
		Plus, they are also incredibly wealthy, which makes redistribution, let's say, a lot easier.
		So why doesn't a government that's bent on redistribution fall prey to the pitfalls of command economy and forced redistribution, for that matter?
		How do you protect against that?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I think what you have to - What we have to do is very, very, very difficult is people get very ideologically captured by both ends and they feel very, I guess, like committed or they feel very allegiant to pushing certain forms of economic organization.
		And I think sometimes it blinds them to some of the benefits of what exists when you incorporate kind of multiple models or, I mean, you'd call them mixed economies, which is really what every capitalist economy today is.
		It's some form of free market capitalism combined with some form of like government intervention to control for negative externalities, These are the ways that all economies, even in Scandinavia and the world, work.
		And I think that recognizing the benefits of both systems are the best way to make things work.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
		And the Scandinavian countries seem to have done a pretty good job of that.
		But like I said, they have a simpler problem to solve, let's say, than the Americans have.
		Negative externalities.
		You know, that's an interesting rabbit hole to wander down, because the problem I have with negative externalities—you made a case already that—and again, correct me if I've got this wrong, but I think that I understood what you said.
		A free market, free exchange economy is a gigantic distributed computational device.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Basically, yeah.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Which, funnily enough, one of the big problems for command economies is called the computation problem because no central body can actually compute.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Calculation problem.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		You know, the... Right, exactly.
unidentified		Right, that's not... I'm a Jew, Friedrich Hayek.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because it's all Jewish, okay?
		This whole Chicago school, neoliberal economics, all comes from Jews.
		Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, and then you've got the Austrian schools, Ludwig von Mises.
unidentified		It's all Jewish.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Comes from the Mont Pelerin Society.
		Comes from Irving Kristol.
		Two cheers for capitalism.
		Or atheists, you know, guys like David Knight.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		That's a fatal problem, right?
		Because it doesn't have the computational power.
		It certainly doesn't have the speed of data recognition.
		It doesn't have the on-the-ground agents, if all of the perception and decision-making is centralized, right?
		It's way too low resolution.
		It's going to crash.
		Okay.
		So, and I think that that's comprehensible technically, as well as ideologically.
		All right.
		So, but having said that, With regards to externalities, all the externalities that a market economy can't compute are so complex that they can't be determined centrally by the same argument.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		There are ways to account for them, though.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Really?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Tell me how.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Because I can't see that.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Because I can't see how they can be accounted for without the same computational problem immediately arising.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I understand that.
		I think that's a problem sometimes of people very far on the left when they want to deal with certain problems.
		I think that they want to bring, like, heavy-handed, you know, like, things like price controls in to say, well, we need less of this, so let's just make this cost this particular thing.
		Which, ironically enough, introduces a whole other set of externalities that will happen when you get a lot of friction between where your price floor or ceiling is set compared to what a market was set at.
		But ideally, if you're a reasonable person and you view economies as mixed economies, what you try to do is you try to take these externalities, meaning things that aren't accounted for with your primary system.
		So in a capitalist system, an externality might be something that causes a negative effect, but it doesn't cost you any money.
		Pollution would be a good example of that.
		And rather than saying, like, well, no company can pollute this much, or, you know, if you're a company, you have to use these things because the other things are making too much pollution.
		All you do is you say, okay, well, if we've determined that, say, carbon is bad for the atmosphere, we're just going to attach a little price to that.
		That's a great example.
		We can go right down that rabbit hole.
unidentified		Carbon.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		pollute this much, here's the price, and then if you want to pay for it, you can.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		But that type of intervention in the economy basically allows the free market to hopefully do its job because the government is tacked on a little bit of a price and then it tries to account for the cost of that externality, yeah.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Great.
		That's a great example.
		We can go right down that rabbit hole.
		Harbin, okay, so first of all, one of the things I've seen, you tell me what you think about this, something that I've seen that actually shocks me that I was interested in watching over the last five or six years.
		I wondered what would happen when the left, the progressives, ran into a conundrum.
		And the conundrum is quite straightforward.
		If you pursue carbon pricing and you make energy more expensive, then you hurt the poor.
		And I don't think you just hurt them.
		In fact, I know you just don't hurt them.
		I heard a man two days ago who's fed 350 million people in the course of his life, heading the UN's largest relief agency.
		Make the claim quite straightforwardly that misappropriation on the part of interventionist governments increased the rate of absolute privation dramatically in the world over the last four or five years.
		And that has happened not least because of carbon pricing.
		Not just carbon pricing, but the insistence that carbon per se is an externality that we should control.
		Now, Germany's paid a radical price for that, for example, so their power is now about five times as expensive as it could be.
		And they pollute more per unit of power than they did 10 years ago, before they introduced these policies that were hypothetically there to account for externality.
		And the externality was carbon dioxide.
		I don't think that's a computable externality.
		And I don't think there's any evidence whatsoever that it's actually an externality that we should be warping the economic system to ameliorate if the cost of that, and it will be, will be an increase in absolute privation among the world's poor.
		So here's an additional argument on that front with regards to externalities.
		You get that wrong, and here's something you could get right instead.
		If you ameliorate absolute poverty among the world's one billion poorest, they take a longer view of the future.
		And that means they become environmentally aware.
		And so the fastest route to a sustainable planet could well be the remediation of absolute poverty.
		And the best route to that is cheap energy.
		And we're interfering with the development of cheap energy by meddling with the hypothetically detrimental externality of carbon dioxide.
		And so I think this is a complete bloody travesty, by the way.
		We are putting the lives of hundreds of millions of people directly at risk, right now, to hypothetically save people in the future, depending on the accuracy of our projections.
		A hundred years out, these interventionists, these people who are remediating externalities, they actually believe that they can calculate an economic projection one century out.
		That's utterly delusional.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so to be clear on the first thing, I was just giving an example of how you can use a government intervention to make a free market track something, which is what cap and trade or carbon taxes would do.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I wasn't necessarily speaking to the strength of that individual thing.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that's a good thing to focus on, because that's a major externality.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		We can focus on that as well.
		So, the first thing, this is going to sound mean, but I'm, you know, I'm very realistic.
		There needs to be a better argument than just, it disproportionately impacts the poor.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		That's a classic leftist argument.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		It might be.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		But it's the same argument you made to justify your swing to the left at the beginning of our discussion.
		You said that you were looking at economic inequalities that disproportionately affected the poor.
		So I can't see why And I'm not trying to be mean about this either.
		I can't see why you could base your argument that it was morally appropriate for you to swing to the left from your previous position because you saw disproportionate effects on the poor, and I can't use that argument in the situation that I'm presenting it right now.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Well, because it depends on if we think it's a condition that ought to be remedied or not.
		For instance, if I walk around and I see homeless people and I'm like, man, this is really sad.
		We ought to spend more money on homeless people because it seems like they're disproportionately affected by their living conditions.
		And then somebody says, oh, well, do you think we should still lock up rapists and murderers?
		Aren't they disproportionately poor?
		I'd probably say, well, yeah, we probably shouldn't.
		I'd go, well, isn't that hypocritical?
		Well, no, I think that rapists and murderers should probably be in jail, but we can also help the homeless at the same time.
		I think that just helping the poor isn't an argument, like a blank check to do every possible thing to satisfy poorer people.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Right, I agree.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		And it's going to depend on each issue.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's fine.
		But that's because the poor, everyone who's poor is not a victim.
		Some people who are poor are psychopathic perpetrators.
unidentified		Sure.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		And it's very useful to distinguish them.
		But I was making a much more specific argument.
		My argument was that the fastest way out of absolute privation for the world's bottom billion people is through cheap energy.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I understand what you're saying there.
		Sorry, just working my way towards that.
		Yeah, I just want to say that just because something targets the poor is not necessarily an argument against it.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		It depends on how hard it targets them and it depends on whether mass starvation is the outcome.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		The outcome is important.
		That I agree with.
		So, for instance, like a sin tax... The outcome will be masturbation in this situation.
		Yeah, I'm getting to it, okay?
		Sin taxes on, like, cigarettes and alcohol... He's just getting cooked.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		He's just getting absolutely cooked.
		Because he has no mental rigor.
		And Jordan Peterson's exactly right.
		He's saying, okay, and Destiny gave me the same explanation.
		Okay, so you became a leftist because you want to create equality of opportunity through redistribution, through redistributive programs like Taxing the rich to pay for public education or to pour more money into public education, which is in itself like a ridiculous argument.
		But he said, oh, I want, I'm a leftist because I support, you know, expanding the social safety net or social programs.
		In other words, we need to lift people out of poverty.
		Then when it comes to energy, and Jordan Peterson's right about this too, even though I think Daily Wire is probably captured by Energy industry, because it was given seed money by the Wilt brothers.
		I think that's why a lot of Republicans are in favor of it, even though I also agree.
		I mean, it's true.
		He says the best way to lift people out of poverty is cheap energy, because it's true.
		I mean, energy is really the backbone of the economy because that's what literally everything runs on.
		And if you make the energy extremely costly, which is what renewables are, every aspect of it, then you're necessarily going to increase poverty.
		If the prices of everything go up, if everything's expensive, more people be poor and the poor will be worse off.
		And Destiny says, well, you know, but that's not a good enough argument.
		Just because the poor people be worse off doesn't mean that, you know, we shouldn't, you know, we'll have to wait and hear what the explanation is.
		But it's clear that there's just no rigor.
		It's not his his way of thinking is not a closed loop.
		It's It's completely ad hoc.
		It's all like well, I I feel bad for poor people, so we should make the social programs better.
		Well, but I also feel like carbon is bad.
		I also feel like too much pollution is a negative externality, so, you know, we should do carbon tax credits and regulate it that way.
		So the guy just has no rigor to his thinking at all.
		That was very evident when he talked to Shapiro as well.
		When Destiny talked to Ben Shapiro, and you know, I don't like Ben Shapiro.
		I don't agree with him.
		I think that Ben Shapiro looks at everything through the lens of what's best for Israel because he's a Jew, and that's just apparent by the way that he runs the company and the way that he talks, the articles he writes, what he chooses to focus on.
		But Shapiro is intelligent.
		He is well-read.
		And he is a sharp thinker.
		When Destiny goes up against these guys like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro, it's clear he's completely out of his depth.
		Like, he just doesn't belong in the same room as these guys.
		Because he's just, one, not that smart, hasn't thought through all his positions, doesn't know that much.
		So, that's why in stuff like this he just keeps retreating.
		Just like in the Ben Shapiro conversation, it's just like a constant retreat.
		Okay, so why do you support government programs?
		Well, I don't support communism or socialism.
		I just support, like, welfare, man.
		Okay, so, like, what?
		Well, carbon tax credits.
		Well, those don't work.
		Well, the literature says that those don't work and those cause poverty and you said that you became a leftist because you want to solve poverty.
		Well, hey, hang on, hang on, hang on.
		I'm not specifically talking about that and I don't know anything about that.
		So it's just like a ceaseless retreat because He doesn't really know what he's talking about on any issue.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		...are always going to disproportionately impact the poor.
		Or even sugar, we might say, right?
		But just because that disproportionately impacts the poor, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
		These are probably the people that suffer the most from those particular afflictions.
		Right, right.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		And that is an immediate versus delayed issue, too, right?
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Is it immediate?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, obesity isn't immediate.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the reason for the tax is to stop people from Pursuing a certain form of short-term gratification at the cost of their longer-term well-being.
unidentified		Correct.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		And that exact same idea, if you believe climate models, or if you believe that we're heading in a certain direction in terms of climate and the overall warming of the planet, would be the same argument you would make for climate change.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Only if you believe that you could model economic development 100 years into the future.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're not trying to model, we're more concerned with modeling climate development, economic development.
unidentified		No, no, no.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		We are equally, no, well, okay, tell me how I'm wrong.
		I don't believe that because what I see happening is two things.
		We have climate models that purport to explain what's going to happen over a century on the climate side, but we have economic models layered right on top of those that claim that there's going to be various forms of disaster for human beings economically as a consequence of that climate change.
		And so that's like two towers of babble stacked on top of one another.
		And so, because if people were just saying, oh, the climate's going to change, there'd be no moral impetus in that.
		It's the climate's going to change and that's going to be disastrous for the biosphere and for humanity.
		But that's an economic argument as well as a climate-based argument.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		It's both, but the worst projections of what would happen if the climate took a disastrous turn are worse than the worst projections of what is our planet going to look like economically if we hardcore police fossil fuels.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand the distinction between the models.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the argument would be that whatever pain and suffering poor people might endure right now because of a move towards green energy, that pain and suffering is going to be short-term and far less than the long-term pain and suffering that comes along with it.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Right, but that's dependent on the integrity of the economic models.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		And the climate models as well, right?
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		But in exactly the stacked manner that I described.
		There's nobody in 1890 who could have predicted what was going to happen in 1990 economically.
		Not a bit.
		Not a bit.
		And if we think we can predict like 50 years out now with the current rate of technology and calculate the potential impact of climate change on economic flourishing for human beings, we're deluded.
		No one can do that.
		And then, and so, and it's worse.
		So imagine that as you do that, and you project outward, your margin of error increases.
		That's absolutely, definitely the case.
		And at some point, certainly on the climate side, the margin of error gets rapidly to the point where it subsumes any estimate of the degree to which the climate is going to transform.
		And that happens even more rapidly on the economic side.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Potentially.
		I think right now this is a disagreement on the fact of the matter, though, not the philosophy of what we're talking about in terms of controlling externalities.
		So I'm curious.
		Let's say that we think we can accurately predict the climate and the economic impact, and we think that the climate impact would be far worse if we don't account for that, both in terms of human conditions and— I don't believe any of those presumptions.
		Sure, but then if you don't, but I mean like obviously if I agreed with that factual analysis, I would probably agree with you on the prescription here too, right?
		If none of the climate models were accurate or couldn't accurately predict anything, then I'd also say why make them?
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're not sufficiently accurate.
		That's the first thing.
		And second, because they have a margin of error, and it's a large margin of error.
		They don't even model cloud coverage well.
		That's a big problem.
		They don't have the resolution.
		They don't have nearly the resolution to produce the accuracy that's claimed by the climate apocalypse mongers.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		People keep saying that, but we just got another one of the hottest years on record.
		How many times are we going to have another hottest year on record?
		How many times are we going to have an increase of carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere before we're finally like, okay.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		And the reason I don't know is because it depends.
		The scientific answer to that question depends precisely on the time frame over which you evaluate the climate fluctuation.
		And that's actually an intractable scientific problem.
		So you might say, well, if you take the last 100 years, this variation looks pretty dismal.
		And I'd say, well, what if you took the last 150,000 years?
		Or the last 10,000?
		Or the last 10 million?
		You can't specify the damn time frame of analysis.
		No, no, no.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		The time frame is incredibly important.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		That would be like saying, look at your, you know, let's say somebody developed cancer and they didn't realize it.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		By the way, now come up with a convoluted hypothetical.
		Do you realize that he doesn't know anything?
		So every time he runs into a problem, he gets out of the problem by creating a convoluted hypothetical?
		Because, you know, and of course that is a classic argument against climate change is that When you look at the record of the climate, one, there's so many variables like, you know, first of all, how do you even measure the climate?
		Is it the temperature of the ocean?
		Is it the temperature of the atmosphere?
		You know, so how you record it is a problem, but then there's also variables that affect the climate, like the distance of the Earth with the Sun, and the type of Sun cycle, and all that stuff.
		And then you say, okay, well, We're looking at a particular climate trend, and like Peterson says, is this an alarming trend if we're looking at the recorded climate record, which is the last 100 years, or are we estimating out for 100,000 years?
		Earth is, they say, 4.6 billion years old.
		Are we looking at the climate over 4 billion years?
		Is the hottest year on record for one century?
		Does that make a big difference in the span of a billion years, a million years, a hundred million years?
		Which is completely correct.
		And then Desi says, okay, but what about a completely unrelated hypothetical?
		What about a hypothetical scenario with something completely different?
		Yeah, okay.
		And exactly right.
		What about that?
		So you just, this guy can say nothing specific or concrete.
		Give me an example of controlling an externality through government.
		Climate.
		Well, that doesn't work.
		Okay, but we're not talking about the fact of the matter.
		We're talking about the philosophy of it.
		I don't mean that specifically.
		Well, let's say we both agree on climate.
		Okay, but we don't because that's not true and here's why that's not true.
		Okay, but what about a hypothetical?
		So the guy just doesn't know anything.
		The guy just doesn't know anything concretely.
		And when there's pushback, he's like, maybe, potentially, well maybe, but what about this?
		But what about this hypothetical?
		So it's like, what do you know about?
		Do you know about carbon tax and the record of the efficacy of that?
		Do you know about climate change?
		Do you know about any of these things?
		Or do you just say things?
		Like, what has he said concretely so far other than, I believe in a mixed economy?
		I think that's the only concrete thing he said, and that's because that's like the safest thing that requires no specificity.
		I mean, that's basically just inevitability.
		That's just how the world is, that you're gonna have some things that are privatized and some things that are nationalized.
		So that's about as specific, that's about as concrete as he'll get.
		He'll say, well, I believe in a mixed economy.
		We'll not stand on anything else, because anything else that requires any more specificity, he just simply doesn't have the arguments, doesn't have the knowledge, doesn't have the rigor to back it up with even the most minimal pushback.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		...person has lost, you know, 40 or 50 pounds in the past six months.
		And I'm just like, you look very sickly.
		You know, like, okay, well, look at my weight fluctuation over the past 10 years.
		He's like, well, that doesn't really matter.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying the time frame isn't important.
		I'm saying that it is important.
		I'm just saying I don't know how to specify it.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you would probably specify it with the beginning of the industrial age, right?
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Why?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Because that's when carbon dioxide, which is a gas that's seen as trapping more heat on the planet... Why is that relevant to the time over which you compute the variability?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Because it seems like as carbon dioxide has increased in the atmosphere, the surface temperatures have risen at a rate that is a departure from what we'd expect over 150,000-year cycles of temperature variations on the planet.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		No, not with that time frame.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		That's just not the case.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely the case.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		No, what do you mean?
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		You just flipped to 150,000-year time span.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		What I'm saying is that if we expect to see a temperature do this in 150,000-year time span, in 100-year time span seeing it do this, that's very worrying.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		You mean like Michael Mann's hockey stick?
		The one that's under attack right now in court by a major statistician who claimed that he falsified his data.
		You mean that spike?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I'm talking about the record temperatures that are declared, that have been declared for like the past five years that have also increased with the concentration of parts per million of carbon dioxide.
unidentified		I don't know what I said.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Guys just, like, has no arguments.
		No arguments at all.
		When do we start measuring the Industrial Revolution, but the control is 150,000 years?
unidentified		Oh, really?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, now suddenly it's 150,000 years.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm talking about the hockey stick.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		their eyes closed saying the car hasn't hit me yet so i don't think there's any coming i think it's pretty under guys just like has no arguments no arguments at all when do we start measuring the industrial revolution but the control is 150 000 years oh really so you know now suddenly it's 150 000 years well i'm talking about the hockey stick oh the hockey stick that's fake uh well uh no i mean uh what i mean is um uh
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		basically we're like standing in traffic and nothing is perfect always just retreating back to platitudes like like that Well, no climate model is perfect, but basically we're ignoring the problem.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Deniable at this point that there is an impact on climate across the planet.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		I think that's highly deniable.
		We have no idea what the impact is from.
		We don't know where the carbon dioxide is from.
		We can't measure the warming of the oceans.
		We have terrible temperature records going back 100 years.
		Almost all the terrestrial temperature And then you have to correct for the movement of the urban areas and then you introduce an error parameter that's larger than the purported increase in temperature that you're planning to measure.
		This isn't data, this is guess and there's something weird underneath it.
		There's something weird that isn't oriented well towards human beings underneath it.
		It has this guise of compassion.
		Oh, we're going to save the poor in the future.
		It's like that's what the bloody communists said.
		And they killed a lot of people doing it.
		And we're walking down that same road now.
		With this insistence that, you know, we're so compassionate that we care about the poor a hundred years from now.
		And if we have to wipe out several hundred million of them now, well, that's a small price to pay for the future utopia.
		And we've heard that sort of thing before.
		And the alternative to that is to stop having global-level elites plot out a utopian future, or even an anti-dystopian future.
		And that's exactly what's happening now with organizations like the WEF.
		And if this wasn't immediately impacting the poor in a devastating manner, I wouldn't care about it that much.
		But it is.
		You know, I watched over the course of the last five years the estimates of the number of people who were in serious danger of food privation rise from about 100 million to about 350 million.
		That's a major price to pay for a little bit of, what would you say, for For progress on the climate front that's so narrow it can't even be measured.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think the increase in hungry people on the planet is because of climate policies.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Because I don't think that countries in Africa are being pushed away from fossil fuels.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Of course they are!
		They can't even get loans from the World Bank to pursue fossil fuel development.
		And there's plenty of African leaders who are screeching at the top of their lungs about that because the elites in the West have decided that Well, it was okay for us to use fossil fuel so that we wouldn't have to starve to death, and our children had some opportunities.
		But maybe the starving masses that are too large a load for the world anyways shouldn't have that opportunity.
		And that's direct policy from the UN, fostered by organizations like the WEF.
		They're going to have to turn to renewables.
		Yeah, well, good luck with that.
		Because renewables have no energy density.
		Besides that, they're not renewable and they're not environmentally friendly.
		And then one more thing.
		There's one more weird thing underneath all of this.
unidentified		Okay.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's say if carbon dioxide was actually... I love how he says, okay, like he's not being totally spanked.
		Like he's not being, he has nothing to say because he doesn't know anything about the subject.
		He's being totally spanked.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Okay.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because that's all he's got.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's all he's got is that fucking attitude.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Bugbear and it was genuine.
		Well, then why wouldn't the Greens, for example, in Africa, the progressives, be agitating to expand the use of nuclear energy, especially because Germany has to import it anyways, especially because France has demonstrated that it's possible.
		We could drive down the cost of energy with low cost nuclear and there'd be no carbon And then the poor people would have something to eat because they'd have enough energy.
		And that isn't what's happening.
		And that's one of the things that makes me extremely skeptical of the entire narrative.
		It's like two things.
		The left will sacrifice the poor to save the planet.
		And the left will de-industrialize even at the nuclear level, despite the fact that it devastates the poor.
		And that's even worse, because if you devastate the poor, and you force them into a short-term orientation, in any given country where starvation beckons, for example, they will cut down all the trees, and they will kill down all the animals, and they will destroy the ecosphere.
		And so, even by the standards of the people who are pushing the carbon dioxide externality control, all the consequences of that doctrine appear to me to be devastating, even by their own measurement principles.
		We're trying to fix the environment.
		Well, boys and girls, it doesn't look like it's working.
		All you've managed to do is make energy five times as expensive and more polluting.
		You were wrong.
		That didn't work.
		And so, and I can't understand.
		You can help me.
		That's why you're here today talking to me.
		I can't understand how the left can support this.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		One quick thing.
		Let's say that everything you've said is true.
		What do you think is the plan then?
		What is the goal?
		What is the drive?
		Like why push?
		Why push?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		See how he turns?
		That's all he could do.
		That's all he could do is retreat, mirror, If your position is getting absolutely butt-raped, then you turn it around and say, Oh, okay.
		Well, what's your plan then?
		So I can now, I can critique your plan.
		Crazy.
		No comeback to any of that.
		He brought it up too.
		He brought up the carbon tax.
		He brought up carbon tax.
		He defended the climate models, which everybody knows IPCC climate models are fake.
		They've been fake every year.
		International Panel on Climate Change has been putting those things out.
		They're always fake.
		So he just gets beaten at every turn.
		Beaten, disproven on every single thing.
		No rebuttal?
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're such a tough guy.
		Why do you waste your time coming out here to talk to a bunch of bums?
		What's your plan?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Horrible ideas for the planet and the poor.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Well, because you're positing it, right?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		So what do you think is the driver goal?
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I listen to what people say.
		Here's the most terrible thing they say.
		There are too many people on the planet.
		Okay, so who says that?
		I've heard people say that for 30 years.
		Perfectly ordinary, compassionate people.
		Well, there's too many people on the planet.
		And I think, well, for me, that's like hearing Satan himself take possession of their spine and move their mouth.
		It's like, okay, who are these excess people that you're so concerned about?
		And exactly who has to go?
		And when?
		And why?
		And how?
		And who's going to make that decision?
		And even if you don't, even if you're not consciously aiming at that?
		You are the one who uttered the words.
		You're the ones who muttered the phrase.
		What makes you think that the thing that possessed you to make you utter that words isn't aiming at exactly what you just declared?
		And so that's, you know, that's a terrible vision.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		But when you look at what happens in genocidal societies... Everybody in the chat is saying Africans, Indians, Blacks...
		There's too many people.
		Well, who are we going to get rid of?
unidentified		And when?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And how many?
unidentified		Everybody in the chat, Indians now.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Indians and Africans, immediately now.
		No, no, no.
		Come on now.
		That's not Christian.
		I disavow that.
unidentified		I disavow that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Chat came with the answer, Jordan.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, who?
unidentified		And when?
unidentified		And which ones?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And how many?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Do you want us to answer that?
unidentified		Nah, kidding.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Kidding!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We disavow.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		With fair regularity, and usually with a utopian vision at hand, the consequence is the mass destruction of millions of people.
		So why should I assume that something horrible isn't lurking like that right now?
		Especially given that we have pushed a few hundred million people back into absolute poverty when we were doing a pretty damn good job of getting rid of that.
		I just don't understand what's happening in Germany or in the UK.
		Like, it's insane!
		Like, look, man, if they would have got rid of the nuclear plants and made energy five times as expensive, and the consequence would have been they weren't burning lignite coal as a backup, and their unit production of energy of pollution per unit of energy had plummeted, you could say, well, look, you know, we hurt a lot of poor people, but at least the air is cleaner.
		It's like, nope, air's worse, and everyone's poorer.
		So, like, explain to me how the hell the left can be anti-nuclear.
unidentified		Okay.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand it at all.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		What a fucking asshole.
		Like, the guy's got nothing to say.
		You got nothing.
		You got nothing.
		You got no rebuttal.
		You got no counter-argument.
		You got no facts.
		You can't defend it.
		Jordan Peterson just opened up a can of whoop-ass and he goes, oh, okay.
		All right, okay.
		Okay what, you fucking loser?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Something that I brought up earlier that is concerning to me.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I feel like when people get political beliefs, I feel like what happens is, what we think happens, what we'd hope happen, is you have some moral or philosophical underpinning and then from there... Then he wants to talk about how people believe.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Then he wants to talk about something that is completely intangible.
		You see how he's just like completely averse to making a concrete claim?
		Okay, are you free market or socialist?
		Well, I'm free market but I believe in redistribution.
		Well, how's that different than a command economy?
		Well, I don't know.
		I'm in favor of mixed economy.
		But what about carbon tax?
		What about it?
		Those don't work.
		Well, I didn't mean that specifically.
		Well, what then?
		Well, maybe I do believe in climate change.
		Really?
		How do you support that?
		Well, no model is perfect yet.
		They're all completely flawed.
		It's inarguable that they're not.
unidentified		Whoa.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's talk about how people have political ideas.
		It's just like completely averse to saying anything specific, anything concrete, and anything that's hard.
		He won't make any hard claim.
		It's always soft claims.
		He won't make a hard claim like, I support a carbon tax because, or I believe in climate change because, Or I believe that the left doesn't support nuclear because... It's always like, well, people believe things because, like, they're biased.
		Well, people come to their opinions because they're tribalist.
		They're tribalistic.
		Really?
		So, you know, as opposed to making a concrete claim about a hard reality like something that exists, we're gonna make a very not-specific claim about something soft that doesn't exist, like how you feel people make their opinions.
		You know, what you feel is the manner in which people come to their political opinions.
		That's like a soft subject.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		You combine this with some epistemic understanding of the world, and then you combine these two things, you engage in some form of analysis, and your moral view... Yeah, it'd be nice if that was true.
		Yeah, you start to apply like prescriptions.
		So, maybe I'm religious, maybe I analyze society and I see that particular TV shows lead to premarital sex, so my societal prescription is we should ban these TV shows, right?
		Ideally, this is how you would imagine this process works.
		People aren't rational!
		People aren't rational!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We're 50 minutes in and that's all this guy has said.
unidentified		Did you know that people aren't rational?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We think they're rational, but they're not.
unidentified		We think that they look at the facts and evidence and they evaluate the opinion.
unidentified		Actually, they're irrational.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And they just follow their peers.
		They follow peer groups.
		Really, retard?
		Someone says pushing 35.
		Pushing 35 and the most sophisticated, profound, specific claim that he can make is that people follow their peer groups rather than have a rational methodology to create their political views.
		Wow!
		Whoa!
		Whoa, this is getting deep!
		Are you sure you want to go this deep?
		I don't know if people can handle this.
		People are too dumb to understand this.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I call it a constellation of beliefs.
		And this constellation of beliefs, instead of rationally building on each of these, you basically get this Jenga tower that is floating over a table, and every block is supporting itself, and no real part of the tower can be addressed.
		If you pull out one piece, it all falls apart.
unidentified		Right.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		So people become like very stuck in all of this combined constellation stuff and none of it is really given like any analysis and you can't really push anybody from one way or another.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
		So that's like what?
		Like being a liberal but then saying you want Israel to commit a genocide against Palestine?
		You mean like that?
		You mean everyone creates an ad hoc position based on circumstance or other irrational factors and it creates a worldview that is completely incoherent?
		That if you challenge one claim and find an inconsistency that you find that the entire worldview Is incoherent?
		Sort of like being a liberal but then saying that you support Jews committing a genocide in Palestine and genocide's not even a real thing?
		Something like that you mean as a good example?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Look at his face.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Look at his ugly face by the way.
		Just shave it off at that point.
		You gotta just shave it off if it looks like that.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		He's just an idiot.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's all he had?
		That's all he had?
		Jordan Peterson does like a 20-minute monologue about climate and how carbon tax is not... Because that is the classic... That is the classic example from... Who is it?
		Gary Becker or Ronald Coase from the Chicago School.
		I think it's one of them.
		That's the classic example of using government and contract law.
		You know, one of the few instances where they're okay with government coming in to ameliorate a negative market externality is the carbon tax, or the carbon tax credit, or whatever.
		That's a classic example, and Destiny uses that, and Jordan Peterson just rapes on the whole subject, just blows up the whole subject, not just But the very idea of these kinds of government interventions which will distort the price mechanism and create more poverty because that's what that is.
		Distorting the price mechanism causes inefficiency and inefficiency means more poverty.
		That's what he's talking about.
		So he just defeated that concept and the carbon tax in particular and the climate agenda and the inconsistency, the kind of unexplainable inconsistency at the heart of it.
		And maybe the nefarious motivation behind that which explains why they support the climate agenda but not nuclear.
		And Destiny's Rebuttal is like, erm, people are irrational.
		Erm, people form their opinions based on their peer groups rather than a rational methodology.
		Cri- This guy's got nothing!
		You have nothing!
		You have nothing.
		You are an idiot.
		You don't know anything.
		You don't even know what you believe.
		You have no rigor in your thinking.
		That's insane.
		That's all he had was like a 30-second, literally 45-second rebuttal about.
		So we think that people analyze the evidence and then create a worldview.
		What people actually do... Crazy.
		And then back to the notepad.
		All these... What are you fucking writing?
		What are you fucking writing other than, oh shit, oh shit, I'm losing.
		Sheesh.
		Now, but that's what happens when he doesn't have his live chat.
		When he doesn't have his Discord server and his live chat in front of him, this is the level of sophistication.
		Crazy.
unidentified		Another average.
		I'm starving, by the way.
		-Rotter.
		Refresh.
		-On shmilk.
		-Bitish.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		-Mortals now of...
		-Sure.
		-The immortal snails.
unidentified		-It's good.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		-I'm starving, by the way.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I need, like, a Big Mac.
unidentified		-40% off.
unidentified		-That's good.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
unidentified		That's right.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, there are models now of cognitive processing, belief system processing, that make the technical claim that what a belief system does is constrain entropy.
unidentified		Sure.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		That's not surprising at all to me.
		Now, the signal for released entropy, which would be a consequence of, say, violated fundamental beliefs, is a radical increase in anxiety, right?
		And a decrease in the possibility of positive emotion.
		And so people will struggle very hard against that, which is exactly the phenomena that you're describing.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I agree with what you said, although... So here's my... Yeah, so I'm not sure what is relevant to the issue I was pursuing.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I'm getting there.
		Here's my issue, okay?
		When I'm trying to evaluate a situation, I like to think that I have some, uh, I've got some insulation from the effects of what liberals think or what conservatives think, because on my platform, I don't necessarily have an allegiance to a particular political ideology.
		Like, right now I'm, like, center-left to progressive, but I break really hard for progressives on certain issues.
		I think Kyle Rittenhouse is on the right.
		I think basically everything you guys are doing with— This guy's an idiot, dude!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		He's an idiot!
		He's an idiot!
		It's crazy!
		Oh my gosh!
		It's like, you know, Jordan Peterson even outclasses him on the one thing that he can say.
		Destiny's like, well, I think people are irrational.
		And Jordan Peterson's like, well, perhaps that irrationality provides a social function, which is to constrain the options of what people can believe or what they can do by creating a negative emotional loop and blah blah blah.
		And Destiny comes back and says, well, with the political compass stuff.
		That's like all political nerds can talk about is their political compass.
		They can't say anything meaningful beyond categorizing different types of political belief and saying, well, I'm a center leftist.
		Oh, that person?
		That person's like a progressive socialist.
		That person?
		That person's like a far-right populist.
		That's all these political compass people have the capacity to do is to merely describe or categorize Other people's political opinions and their own.
		Well, I'm a center leftist, but you know someday some positions are more far right.
		I think Kyle Rittenhouse was innocent too.
		Whoa, this is this is a deep thinker.
		This guy's a genius level intellect.
		Wait a second.
		You're telling me that he's mainly a center leftist, but he also thinks Kyle Rittenhouse is innocent?
		This guy's just like on a level of complexity I can't even handle.
		Can someone help me please?
		Can someone help me?
		I'm experiencing psychosis.
		I'm being driven insane by the level of complexity and profundity of this man's thinking.
		This is like, can we get this guy tested?
		Modern polymath.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Indigenous people is insane, including the complete mass grave hoax.
		I think that I'm a big supporter of the Second Amendment.
		I have beliefs where I can break from my side, you know, pretty hardcore because I am not, like, allegiant to certain political ideology.
		One thing that worries me with this constellation of beliefs thing is that sometimes when it comes to evaluating a particular policy or a particular problem, I feel like it's part of the constellation and sometimes it inhibits people from, like, taking a step back and reasonably thinking about the issue.
		So when we're talking about climate change, you mentioned the WEF sacrificing tons of people, the UN, global elites, five times energy costs in Germany, genocidal people.
		I feel like this is part of a whole thing where it's like, okay, well let's take a quick step back and let's just think rationally about this particular issue for one moment.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you asked me what the motivation for anti-poor policies might be, so that's why I was trying to flesh that out.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I did, but I got all of those things before I even asked that question.
		Because I think it's totally possible that somebody might say, okay, well, when you put carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, it seems to cause an increase in surface temperatures.
		This has been happening from about the 1800s, and as we've started to track surface temperatures, whether the thermometer is on top of the Empire State Building or in the middle of a field, It seems like there's an average rise in temperatures, and people all around the world are observing this, in some places more than others.
		If you live in Seattle, and 20 years ago your apartment building wasn't built with air conditioner units, you feel that now.
		If you live in a place in London, and you've never had an air conditioner before, now that's not acceptable.
		I think that people on the ground can see that there are changes, and I think that scientists, when they look in labs, can see changes.
		It might be that some models aren't precise enough, and it might be that, for reasons we don't even understand... Listen to all the weasel words!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's like...
		Okay, well maybe all the data is bullshit, and maybe all the models are bullshit, but it seems like they're alright anyway.
		How do you do this?
		And it's like Jordan Peterson said, we don't have records going back a very long time.
		I don't know how far back they go.
		But we obviously don't have records going back 500 years, let's say.
		But the Earth is a lot older than 500 years.
		The data that we do have is extremely flawed up until very recently because they, according to Peterson, they didn't even measure the temperature outside the major cities.
		And it's only surface temperature, it's not ocean temperature.
		So there's, in other words, there are severe problems with the reliability of the data.
		Of most of the set of the data.
		If the claim is that temperatures have been rising, well, you need to have very solid data globally that is reliable over a long period of time.
		We don't have any of that.
		And Destiny just kind of hand waves, well, maybe the data's shit.
		But let's just assume it's alright anyway.
		Well, maybe the models, because then they project Based on the imperfect data, they make predictions and they project that out a hundred years.
		We don't even have a hundred years of good data, but we're gonna make predictions about a hundred years in the future.
		Well, maybe the models are bullshit too.
		Well, maybe they're not exactly precise.
		No, they're bullshit.
		But let's just assume the claims of the models and the data are true just because.
		Because it's hot in London this summer.
		Because in London it was hot enough that, you know, they wanted air conditioning for one week during the summer.
		Seriously?
		That's crazy.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Economic models certainly aren't precise enough.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Sure, maybe.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that might be true.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Maybe, maybe, maybe, potentially, maybe, kind of, generally, broadly.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		They can't even use them to predict the price of a single stock for six months.
		The economic models are not sufficiently accurate to calculate out the consequences of climate change over a century.
		Not in the least.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I like the comparison because economic models can't predict individual stocks, but they do predict the rough rise of the market.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		If you invest in the S&P 500, you get about... Yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly.
		Well, maybe it can't predict stocks, but it can't predict the market, really.
		Yeah.
		And that's why nobody ever loses money during a recession, right?
		Because we can generally predict the health of the economy.
		That's why nobody ever loses money in the stock market.
		The Great Recession never happens.
		Recessions never happen, period.
		Because we generally know, you know, with a great degree of certainty how good the economy will be doing a year from now.
		And that's insane.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Even with the cataclysmic collapse accounted for, you're going to see about 7% returns on average with inflation over long periods of time.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't call an average a very sophisticated model, analogous to climate change.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		That's fine, but that's the difference between climate and weather though, right?
		It's that climate isn't going to tell you what the temperature is on a given day, but it might tell you the average surface temperature over a period of one year or 10 years.
		And then that's the difference between climate and weather.
		Well, that's the hypothetical difference.
		It is a hypothetical, but again, we're seeing more and more and more data every single year that things are getting hotter and hotter.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump out of our cloud of presuppositions for a minute.
unidentified		Sure.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Now, one of the things that— Oh, no, wait!
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Before we do that, I just want to say, there are some things that we've gotten as a result of investing in green energy that have been good.
		So, for instance, the power of solar energy has dropped dramatically in the United States, faster than anybody thought possible, such that Solar energy is like competitive or beating fossil fuels in certain areas.
		As long as you can set the solar panels up, you're literally beating fossil fuels.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and as long as the sun is shining.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it still is, but we're not in nuclear winter yet.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		No, no, but it isn't when it's cloudy and it isn't in the winter.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		That's why I said depending on where you live.
		There are places, equatorial places, if you're trying to set up a solar panel in Seattle, you know, you might not have as much luck or New York City might not have as much.
		Or in Germany.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Or in Germany, true.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Or all of Europe.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Or in Canada.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		There are also other issues that are coming up that I think are obfuscating our ability to evaluate what's being caused by green energy versus not.
		When we look at energy prices in Germany, I think there's a similar constellation around nuclear energy, for instance.
		People don't want nuclear energy because they think of nukes, and they think of nuclear meltdowns, and they think of Chernobyl, and they think of Fukushima, and they think of atomic bombs, and that's it, and that's stupid.
		And I agree with you.
		But nuclear energy is a totally viable alternative to other forms of fossil fuels.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Then why does the radical left oppose it?
		Oh my gosh, he's an idiot.
		Look at his face, too.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Look at the earnestness.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		That's what kills me.
		That's what kills me, is the earnestness.
		Like, he really is this stupid.
		And you can see it in his face.
		He's bringing it all.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh, he's an idiot.
		Look at his face, too.
		Look at the earnestness.
		That's what kills me.
		That's what kills me, is the earnestness.
		Like, he really is this stupid.
		And you can see it in his face.
		Like, he's bringing it all with his full sincerity.
		The left doesn't like nukes because nukes are scary.
		They have an irrational fear of nukes like the right does of vaccines.
		Seriously?
		You think the world planners, you think the global planners that run major corporations and governments, that run the NSA, that run the CIA, that run the United Nations, that collect all the data, you think they have a comparable level of irrational anxiety about nuclear energy to the Hill people
		Which, you know, I'm going to sound very negative about Republicans here, but like uneducated Appalachian boomers over the age of 65 that thought that the vaccines were magnetic.
		Obviously, one, it's two different things.
		Obviously, number two, that is not the reason.
		That is, it has no explanatory power.
		It's the left in Europe that wants nuclear.
		The idea that they oppose nuclear on a massive level because they have an irrational fear of nuclear bombs just like the right has an irrational fear of vaccines.
unidentified		Really?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You think that's why they oppose it?
		But talk about justifying a presupposition.
		That's just it.
		I mean, Destiny will basically accept any, any explanation, any plausible, not even plausible, any like, you know, tenuous explanation for what he believes, he will accept and earnestly pass it off fully believing it.
		Because there is an inherent contradiction.
		Why does the left oppose fossil fuels but also oppose nuclear?
		Nuclear is economical, but it's also non-polluting.
		Or doesn't pollute as much with carbon.
		It pollutes with nuclear waste.
		Why would the left oppose that then?
		That's a very problematic contradiction.
		That the left supports, or rather they oppose fossil fuels because of pollution, But they also oppose nuclear even though it's the most economical alternative.
unidentified		Why?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Destiny says well because they have an irrational fear just like how the right it's another one of these Horseshoe, you know, but the right has an irrational fear of vaccines just like the left has an irrational fear of nukes.
		Like that doesn't make any sense.
		It doesn't make any sense because of course the right has a fear of vaccines.
		A lot of, and don't get me wrong, the vaccine, there's very good reason to be skeptical of the vaccine.
		A lot of it is superstitious.
		I didn't get the vaccine.
		I will never get the vaccine.
		I think the mRNA has very You know, theoretically could have very bad side effects because it hasn't been clinically tested on human beings.
		Like, I'm very suspicious of the mRNA business and Big Pharma and all that.
		Don't get me wrong.
		But a lot of it does come from a place of genuine ignorance.
		Yes, there are very many doctors who say that the mRNA vaccine hasn't been tested sufficiently, that people should be taking it.
		Many doctors have talked about the adverse reactions.
		They've talked about the increased rate of myocarditis and precarditis from vaccinated versus unvaccinated people, but there are a lot of people that don't know any of that that are just skeptical of it because they're irrational or superstitious.
		That is not the case with the elite planners and nuclear weapons.
		There is no comparison between the Uneducated, largely ignorant people that have their own irrational reasons for not wanting to get vaccinated, and the elite planners who, for whatever reason, don't want to pursue nuclear as an alternative to fossil fuels.
		So those things are not comparable in any way, shape, or form.
		It doesn't make any sense, but yet it's one of these, like, both-sides, sounds, plausible arguments.
		But look at how earnestly, look at the earnestness that he's arguing.
		Yeah, Klaus Schwab doesn't want nuclear because he's just like irrationally afraid of nuclear bombs, bro.
		That's crazy.
		It's like I've been saying though all along, the guy, this guy is not intelligent.
		You take away the phone, you take away the live chat, the discord, which is a crutch, and this is what you get.
		This is a level of rigor and sophistication.
		We're an hour in.
		This is the guy's worldview.
		It's like, people are rational.
		I'm a little right and a little left.
unidentified		We gotta admit, we're all a little right and a little left.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'm in favor of a mixed economy.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		What do you believe?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		What do you even know?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Don't trust it.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Well, the right has a reason to distrust vaccines in the aftermath of the COVID debacle.
		Because they were imposed by force.
		And that was a very bad idea.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		You get to choose if you have a nuclear power plant?
		That's imposed by force too, no?
		You don't get to choose where your energy comes from if you live in a country.
		You turn the light switch and hopefully you don't have a Chernobyl that melts down in your particular town, right?
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you get to choose it because you can buy it or not.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		That's a choice.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Nobody had a choice with the vaccines.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody had a choice whether or not they lived near Chernobyl or not.
		Nobody has a choice if there's a nuclear power plant.
		They could move away.
		Well, that's a choice.
		It's a move like 500 miles.
		That's like telling conservatives when Biden tried to do the OSHA mandate for vaccines, like, well, you just get a different job, right?
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to debate about whether or not large nuclear power plants are frightening.
		They are.
		And there are technologies now where that's not a problem.
		And I think that's a counterproductive place for our discussion to go, because I also understand why people are afraid of it.
		But what I don't understand, for example, is why the Germans shut down their nuclear power plants and the Californians are thinking and have, doing the same thing, when they have to import power from France anyways.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Or burn coal, which is a million times worse.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Not just coal, lignite.
		And then with regards to these renewable power sources, they have a number of problems.
		One is they're not energy dense.
		They require tremendous infrastructure to produce.
		They might be renewable at the energy level, but they're not renewable at the raw materials level, so that's a complete bloody lie.
		They're insanely variable in their power production, and because of that, you have to have a backup system, and the backup system has to be reliable without variability, and that means if you have a renewable grid, you have to have a parallel fossil fuel or coal grid to back it up when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow, which is unfortunately very, very frequently.
		And so, again, I'm not going to say there's no place for renewable energy like solar and wind, because maybe there are specific niche locales where those are useful, but the logical, what would you say, antidote to the problem of reliability, if we're concerned about carbon, but we're really not, would be to use nuclear.
		And the Greens haven't been flying their bloody flags for 30 years saying, well, we could use fossil fuels for Fertilizer and feed people, and we could use nuclear power to drive energy costs down in a carbon dioxide-free manner.
		That seems pretty bloody self-evident to me.
		And so then it brings up this other mystery that we were talking about earlier.
		You know, what's the impetus behind all this?
		Because the cover story is, oh, we care about carbon dioxide, which I don't think they do, especially given the willingness to sacrifice the poor.
		It makes no sense to me.
		And I think it's relevant to the issue you brought up, which is that people have these constellations of ideas, and there's a driving force in the midst of them, so to speak.
		They're not necessarily aware of what that driving force is.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't it more likely that people are either misinformed or misguided than people are legitimately trying to depopulate the planet?
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Look, misinformed and ignorant, that's plenty relevant and worth considering.
		And stupidity is always a better explanation than malevolence.
		But malevolence is also an explanation.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		And no, I don't think it's a better explanation because... Why would we waste so much money sending food aid, having Bush do programs through Africa for AIDS, having other billionaires like Bill Gates invest so much money in anti-malarial stuff?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Why would all the global elites be so invested in helping and killing the people here at the same time?
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Well, some of it's confusion.
unidentified		Okay.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		You know, and some of it's the fact, you know, many things can be happening simultaneously with a fair bit of internal paradox because people just don't know which way is up often.
		But the problem with the argument, okay, so you tell me what you think about this.
		So, you know, Hitler's cover story was that he wanted to make the glorious Third Reich and elevate the Germans to the highest possible status for the longest possible period of time.
		Okay, but that wasn't the outcome.
		The outcome was that Hitler shot himself through the head After he married his wife, who died from poison the same day, in a bunker underneath Berlin, while Europe was in flames, while he was insisting that the Germans deserved exactly what they got because they weren't the noble people he thought they were.
		And then you might say, well, Hitler's plans collapsed in flames, and wasn't that a catastrophe?
		Or you could say, that was exactly what he was aiming for from the beginning, because he was brutally resentful and miserable.
		Right from the time he was, you know, a rejected artist at the age of 16.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Now we get into the authoritarian personality nonsense.
		See, this is where it falls apart.
		I mean...
		I don't agree about the depopulation stuff.
		I've talked with Alex Jones about that.
		I don't find that to be extremely convincing because, and to the point, Destiny's actually right.
		Why would the population be exploding in Africa if this were the case?
		I think it's possible there's a depopulation agenda because that's in the Talmud.
		They say that they want to reduce the birthrate of the goyim.
		So I'm open to that possibility.
		I don't think it's extremely convincing, especially because they need the population to always be rising.
		That's why they bring in immigrants.
		You know, why would they want the population in America to always be going up?
		Why would they want it to continue going up elsewhere in the world?
		So, you know, Peterson maybe not necessarily being correct about that doesn't mean that Destiny's not a rigorous thinker.
		That's the thing.
		I mean, Destiny's stupid, Peterson's wrong.
		There's a difference.
		Destiny's just, he doesn't even know where he is.
		I don't think Peterson's, when he says this stuff about, oh, Hitler wanted to destroy Germany because he's resentful, because he was rejected from art school, This is just like Jewish authoritarian personality nonsense.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		He was working or something was working within him and something that might well be regarded as demonic, whose end goal was precisely what it attained, which was the devastation of hundreds of millions of people.
		And Europe left in a smoking ruin.
		And the cover story was the Grand Third Reich.
		And so there's no reason at all to assume that we're not in exactly the same situation right now.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I think there's a great reason to assume.
		I think that Hitler's motives and everything that he was trying to do wasn't a secret.
		Like, I don't think that anybody had to guess that he was incredibly anti-Semitic, that his Aryan supremacy was going to lead to the destruction and the murder of, like, so many different people in concentration camps.
		Like, none of this was a secret.
		It's not like he was hiding it.
		I mean, like, he tried to maybe hide the death penalty.
		But nobody in Germany was wondering, like, "Wow, crazy that pogroms are happening against Jewish people.
		That's so crazy." Or, "Wow, they're all being shipped to just mainly the Jews to camps to work.
		That's kind of interesting." Or, "Wow, he talks about this a lot in Mein Kampf, but maybe it's just a coincidence." I don't think you can compare Hitler to people that are worried about climate change.
		The worry that I have here is— Why not?
		Because if we're applying this— People in Germany thought Hitler was perfectly motivated by the highest of benevolent— If I were to take this standard of evidence and apply this lens of analysis, couldn't I say the exact same thing about the conservative constellation of belief?
		They don't want to intervene anywhere in the world because they don't care about the problems there.
		They're anti-immigration because they hate brown people.
		Trump wanted to ban Muslims from coming to the United States because he's xenophobic.
		Conservatives don't want to have taxes to help the poor because they want homeless people to starve and die in the winter.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Some of that's true.
		And yes, you can adopt that criticism.
		I think the difference, with regards especially to the libertarian side of the conservative enterprise, but also to some degree to the conservative enterprise, is they're not building a central gigantic organization to put forward this particular utopian claim.
		And so even if the conservatives are as morally addled as the leftists, and to some degree that might be true, they're not organized with the same gigantism in mind.
		And so they're not as dangerous at the moment.
		Now they could well be, and they have been in the past, but at the moment they're not.
		And so of course you can be skeptical about people's motivations when they're brandishing the moral flag.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Why would we say that they're not as concerned about the gigantism?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I feel like everybody is when it's a particular thing that they care about.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		You mean whether they would be inclined in that direction?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
		Conservatives wield the power of the government whenever they feel they need to, just as liberals do.
		Conservatives were very happy to see, for instance, abortion was brought back as a state regulated thing.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Look, that's a good objection.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		You're correct in your assumption that once people identify a core area of concern, they're going to be motivated to seek power to implement that concern.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I think cancel culture is a good idea, too.
		I think conservatives, prior to the 2000s, if they could censor everything related to either LGBT stuff or weird musical stuff, or so that they didn't want their kids to watch, conservatives would do it.
		But now that you see that, like, liberals and progressives are kind of wielding that corporate hammer Now conservatives are very much, well, hold on, we need freedom of speech, we need to platform everybody.
		And now progressives are like, well, hold on, maybe we shouldn't platform people.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		I've got no disagreement with those things that you said, and I have no disagreement about your proposition that people will seek power to impose their central doctrine.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so then you might say, so we can have a very serious conversation about that, what do we have that ameliorates that tendency?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		In the United States, we've got hopefully a form of decentralized government.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I can't speak to Canada as much.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, yes, that's true.
		So that's one of the institutional protections against that, because what that does is put various forms of power striving in conflict with one another, right?
		And so that's a very intelligent solution.
		But then there are psychological and philosophical solutions as well.
		And one of them might be that you abjure the use of power, right, as a principle.
		And this is one of the things that was done very badly during the COVID era, let's say, because the rule should be something like, you don't get to impose your solution on people using compulsion and force.
		There's a doctrine there, which is any policy that requires compulsion and force is to be looked upon with extreme skepticism.
		Now, it's tricky, because now and then you have to deal with psychopaths, and they tend not to respond to anything but force.
		And so there's an exception there that always has to be made, and it's a very tricky exception.
		But, look, let me tell you a story, and you tell me what you think about this.
		Because I think it's very relevant to the concern that you just expressed.
		And I don't believe that the Conservatives are necessarily any less tempted by the By the calling of power than the leftists.
		That's going to vary from situation to situation.
		Though I would say probably overall in the 20th century, the leftists have the worst record in terms of sheer numbers of people killed.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it depends on how we're quantifying that.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Not really.
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we'll just quantify Mao.
		How's that?
		Direct death of 100 million people.
		So, you know, that's a pretty stark fact.
		And if we're going to argue about that, well, then we're really not going to get anywhere.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not disagreeing that the Holodomor happened as well.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		The Soviet Union and China were horrible.
unidentified		20 to 50 million people in the Soviet Union.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying, for World War II, it depends on how much you attribute the war does to Nazi Germany, etc.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Shut up.
		Okay, I'm over it.
		I'm over it.
		I've seen enough.
		This is just completely one-sided.
		Like, this is not even interesting.
		It's just Jordan Peterson going off on the usual.
		Free market, you know, anti-collectivism, anti-utopian socialism thing, and then Destiny's just like pretending to take notes, laughing when he talks, looks down.
unidentified		Ugh.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Tedious.
		Very tedious.
		What are the comments saying?
		I'm getting hungry, so I'm probably gonna wind it down soon Yeah, dude, that was painful now Alright, we'll watch a little bit more of this.
unidentified		Oh my god!
unidentified		You got me four?
jordan b peterson ▲ ● ▼		Whoa!
unidentified		Look at this guy, dude!
		Wait, hold on.
		Oh, it doesn't matter.
		This is more important.
		Come here.
		There we go.
		Oh my gosh.
		I love this little guy.
		Oh my god.
		We're solving wars.
		Stephen is trying to escape his responsibilities for defending this country against militant extremists.
		So we're gonna go find him, find out what he's doing.
		He might be soying, he's in his goon cave right now.
		We're gonna get this little... We're gonna get this little Stephen to do his f***ing job.
		so we can do what we say.
		Here you go.
		We're disrespecting your country.
		You're letting them down.
		What are you doing?
		You're on your f***ing phone?
		We're doing a tactical military operation right now.
		You have no respect for your commanding officer, which is me.
		I love making out with my inferior officers.
		You disrespect this country.
		You disrespect the United States military.
		Let's see what we do to libtards.
		Let's see what we do to libtards in Louisiana!
		You ready to do it?
		Okay.
		Ready?
		Do it.
		Ow!
		Holy shit, that hurt!
		You're not.
		I said we got that libtard taken care of.
		He'll be way more respectful of his commanding officer now.
		He needs to get his T-levels checked.
		In a serious way.
		Come with me.
		Oh my god, get some footage of this silly ass jacket.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		It's my shooting jacket.
unidentified		He's got no trip, bro.
unidentified		Technically, though, like, that's probably though, like, that's probably pretty good, right?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Because you're not, like, shooting, like, it's not like you're shooting everything.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Like, it's all, like, about in that area.
unidentified		So if you fix the trigger pull, it'd probably look about, like, minor graces.
unidentified		You're being nice to me.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		No shut up.
		Is that the loser?
		It says it's got nine rounds.
unidentified		Yeah.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		But then when I put in the next one it says 11 rounds.
unidentified		You look for the shiny.
unidentified		Yeah thanks I know.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Look how many rounds are in this?
unidentified		Six.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Wait what?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's the follower.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's the baseplate.
unidentified		Oh yeah, duh.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was making sure you knew about that.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		'cause a lot of people don't know about the bass place and the Glock mags, you know?
unidentified		Hey now, you're a rock star.
		Come on, go play.
		And all that glitter's on the range.
		We're gonna wear these when we're shooting tomorrow.
		What are they?
		I don't know.
		Okay, what else?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		There has to be- No, no, can we find like the real coat section?
		You f***ing retard.
		You're in the f***ing flannel, like, poser section.
unidentified		Okay.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		God, maybe if you cut your hair you wouldn't have to f*ing brush it in your eyes all the f*ing time.
unidentified		I like to have it so that you can- Did you dye it today?
		Oh my god.
		I did not f***ing dye it.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Look at how different the color is from your eyebrows, bro.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Your eyebrow.
unidentified		Why are your pupils so small?
unidentified		Wait, can you look at how small his pupils are?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's normal.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		You're just high all the time so you can't tell what they look like anymore.
unidentified		That's not normal.
		That's not normal.
		Yes, it is.
		They're f***ing, are you on Fentyl?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Why did that make my people small?
unidentified		I'm so f*ing broad my sh.
unidentified		Right here, I found a medium.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Bro!
unidentified		Holy sh**.
unidentified		Are you getting that for your girlfriend?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		You're in the men's section.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		You're not allowed to shop here.
unidentified		Oh my god.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		She's white.
		Make fun of her for that.
		That's cool.
unidentified		Make fun of her?
unidentified		That's good.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I bet her ancestors owned slaves.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		You see how blue those eyes are?
unidentified		I bet she owns slaves now.
		True.
		She's got blue eyes.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		What?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Barely.
unidentified		Barely?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Barely.
unidentified		Barely?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		How am I- Okay.
unidentified		Oh my god.
		Baby?
		Oh!
		Baby again?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my god.
unidentified		Ah, two.
		Get him open the fucking trunk!
		Grr!
		Oh no!
		Can you know we're late?
		I can afford to rent this ship.
		Sun is shining!
		What the fuck is this?
		What the fuck is this?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		What the fuck are we watching?
		Alright, I try to give another chance.
		Why don't we just watch The Breakfast Club?
unidentified		Wake that ass up!
		In the morning!
		The Breakfast Club!
		Morning, everybody.
		It's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne, the guy.
		We are The Breakfast Club.
		We got a special guest in the building.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're not going to like this one.
unidentified		We have Candace Owens.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Candace Owens.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		How you feeling?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I feel great.
		A little tired.
		Had a wedding this weekend, but I always feel great.
unidentified		Back to New York.
unidentified		You're originally from here, right?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was born in New York, raised in Stanford, and then lived in New York after university for like seven years.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So I worked just two blocks away from here.
unidentified		What part of New York?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Did I live in or?
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		Was born.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Raised.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I was born in White Plains.
unidentified		Oh, White Plains.
		Okay.
		By the Bronx.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		What is the Candace Owens origin story?
		I mean, I know a little bit of it because, you know, me and you actually used to have a lot of conversations back in the day before she changed her number.
unidentified		He was mad about that.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I did change mine, but you know.
unidentified		Girl, he was mad about that.
		He was like, I've been hittin' up, hittin' that machine, goin' in the chain.
		Cause it kept going blue.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		I was like, is she just ignoring me?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		No, I wouldn't have ignored you.
		I would have answered.
		I changed my number.
		I try to do it every couple of years.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		For what?
		Just because?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Because then you collect all these people that are texting you and you're like, actually, I don't want to talk to this person anymore.
		I don't want to tell them.
		I don't want to talk to them anymore.
		So I just changed my number.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		And I'm sure the more you grow, a lot of your family members hit you up for money and stuff like that.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		I mean, it's usually not family members.
		It's just random people from your past that haven't spoken to you in forever, but still have your number and will text you and ask for a favor.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		Like Sheldon, maybe?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		No.
		It wasn't him.
		It wasn't about him.
		I actually should have messaged you my new number.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		Where did all of this begin for Candace Owens?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		You know, I feel like I have just a very regular story.
		Like I said, I was born in New York, raised in Stanford.
		There was nothing particularly that stood out in my childhood that made me think that I was going to go into politics.
		I feel like I landed into politics kind of accidentally.
		And I say accidentally because I thought I was a liberal.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		How much exposition is there going to be in this?
		Is there a highlight reel?
		When are we going to get the good stuff?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		My whole life.
		You know, I thought I was on the left my whole life and really didn't pay attention to politics in any meaningful way.
		And then, you know, when Trump was running for office, I didn't want to be elected.
		I was like this, not because I thought he was a racist or a sexist, but just because I thought it was crazy to go from Obama, who had a certain decorum about him, to suddenly this sort of brash New Yorker.
		But I thought it was weird when all of a sudden the people that liked Trump, you know, everyone thought he was like this iconic symbol of business.
		He was in rap songs.
		Trump was a status flipped on him in one second.
		I didn't buy the narrative that he was in the media for three, four decades and suddenly he wanted me to believe overnight that he was like Adolf Hitler and a racist.
		So I just didn't trust the media's narrative about him and so I decided to actually listen to what he said.
		I still didn't vote for him in 2016, but I wanted to just listen to what he actually said.
		And then when I saw what he was saying versus how it was being reported, I just found it to be extremely dishonest.
		So I started researching more, learning more.
		Yeah, I don't know.
		And then I got kind of angry, like just with the lies, because I do think black Americans are intentionally manipulated emotionally by the media and, you know, kind of kept dumb, but emotional intentionally by the school system.
		And I started reading up on like Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, a bunch of black scholars I originally had dismissed as Uncle Thomas.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They're kept dumb.
unidentified		They're kept dumb.
		One thing's true, they definitely start out dumb.
		Some of them do.
		Yeah, I don't know.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I see some of these videos where they're jumping around and screaming and I'm like, yeah, they're definitely starting for some of them are definitely starting from a dumb place.
unidentified		So Candace is smart.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, irony now is I get calls from all the time.
		I got what was coming.
		But yeah, and then I realized that actually I've always been a conservative I just didn't know it and economically speaking, of course, the conservative arguments make the most sense.
unidentified		Does that bother you that people call you Uncle Tom?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		No, not at all.
		First off because if they read the book Uncle Tom was the hero.
		But also because I get it, you know?
		How can I fault people for something that I would have engaged in for the majority of my life?
		I thought the same thing about black conservatives.
		I thought it was this betrayal, but I never actually understood it.
		It was just an emotional response.
		And I think that kind of is, if you come out of the public school system, I can't imagine how you could be a black conservative when just the way that they even tell us our own history is just not true, you know?
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that that's true with most people, though?
		Like, you know, when you think of a Trump or just anybody, you're fine with them, but then you learn, like, their politics.
		You learn what they believe spiritually, and then you're like, oh, you're turned off from it.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I don't even think it's necessarily the politics.
		I really do think the media plays the biggest part in it because Trump, as far as I know, Trump's been, maybe he used to be a Democrat, but he's been a Republican and a conservative for a long time.
		I mean, we know he had to have been a conservative in terms of economics.
		You know, he's wealthy, so you'd be hard pressed to find someone that's wealthy and, you know, advocating for Marxist beliefs.
		But yeah, I just feel like it's more about the media wants power.
		The media has a vested interest in things politically, and they like to make us think that we're having this open conversation and we're learning the truth about people.
		But these are just hatchet, smear jobs, libeling people, and I think diluting a ton of people to turn against their own best interests.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		So are you more anti-media as opposed to being pro-Trump?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, once I actually heard what he had to say, I was like, that's a pretty solid pitch.
		I mean, it was his Demondale, Michigan speech, particularly.
		He got up there and he just started listing all of the statistics in black America in terms of poverty.
		I mean, these were just real statistics that he was talking about.
		And his pitch was basically like, you've been giving your vote to Democrats for 60 years.
		Why don't you just try something different?
		You know?
		I think that's a pretty good elevator pitch.
		Like, hey, you've been doing the same thing for a long time.
		I'm not saying I'm amazing, but why don't we try something different and see if it gets better for you?
		And then suddenly I like flipped over to CNN and Don Lemon's like crying.
		I think maybe being, but it was just, they were so dramatic and they were lying about what he said.
		They're like, he looked you in the face and told you you were poor.
		Like, I'm like, that's not what he So I just got interested.
		I'm a very curious, interested person.
		If I get interested in something, I will just take it all away, read books, and I'm like, why are they doing this?
		Like, why are all the media companies I believed my whole life just lying about it?
		Just say what he actually said and let black Americans decide for themselves.
		If that's a good enough pitch, they may have said no, I thought it was interesting, but the lying is something that I think is outrageous.
		It's gotten out of control.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		I think it's worse now.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		I think it's worse now because not only do you have people who will just create the headlines based off what they feel you said as opposed to what you said, you have people that will just straight up manipulate your audio, manipulate your video, just to push a narrative.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		One of the wildest things, craziest things that people say about me all the time, it drives me crazy because it's literally made up.
		They're like, Candace said racism doesn't exist.
		If you go find that headline of Candace says racism doesn't exist, they didn't put it in quotation marks because I never said it.
		They were like, Candace said racism doesn't exist because she's quote-unquote never been a slave.
		The words never been a slave came out of my mouth, but I never said racism doesn't exist.
		And it was in the context of an entire speech.
		The media knew that black people were not going to go watch the speech or try to find the original speech.
		They were just going to read the headline and react and be like, Oh my God, Candace Owens said racism doesn't exist.
		Like, how could she say this?
		She's a hypocrite.
		She's a liar.
		This happened to her in her childhood.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		You sued your high school for racism.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's actually not the, that's not what happened.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I didn't, I didn't sue my high school for racism.
unidentified		I'll be honest, I got a boyfriend and I just stopped hanging out with my friends.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		- You have to deal with what the media does? - Yep, absolutely.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		- No, it's fine, I mean, I get it 'cause it's something that I talk about at length, but essentially I had this situation happen to me in high school where someone that I was actually best friends with left me horrific voicemails.
		They were racist voicemails, there's no other way to slice it. - They called you a nigga 'cause you didn't wanna date him? - No, you know, he actually, I think he was gay, to be honest, it was nothing about dating.
		I think this was kind of a circumstance of like, I had my first beer, I'll be honest, I got a boyfriend, and I just stopped hanging out with my friends.
		Very typical high school stupid stuff.
		And this gay guy that I was friends with And one night, he was out drinking with kids that were way younger than him that I had never met, and they left me horrific voicemails.
		I mean, like, bringing in, like, Rosa Parks.
		Tons of threats.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		He did what?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		They were just, like, it was, yeah, like, it was, it was, there was no way to slice it, but it was, they were extremely racist.
		And it was terrifying, too, because I didn't know who the phone calls were coming from.
		Long story short, one of the kids in the car happened to be the governor of Connecticut's son, so it became this sort of overnight political story.
		And while it was going on, and there were, like, news cameras in front of the school, I left school and just homeschooled for, um, I think it was about six, eight weeks.
		And basically we got reimbursed for the time that I was homeschooling.
		That's what happened.
		But yeah, so when people retell that story now, it's like she sued her school for racism and the NAACP helped her.
		And I'm like, no, the NAACP did not help me.
		They used my face and my name to fundraise for the NAACP, which is actually the reason why I don't like the NAACP.
		It's like a very valid reason because I was a little girl, you know, I was 16, 17 years old and it was a really hard situation to go through as a child.
unidentified		Okay.
		Can we skip some of the stuff?
		Now you said something earlier.
		You said that you wanted to listen to what Trump had to say.
		You said in 2016 you still didn't vote for him.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So looking at the country now, right?
unidentified		Of course there's Trump, there's Biden.
unidentified		Who do you think is better for our community?
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		And why?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Well, first and foremost, just for everybody, you should have a president that's, you know, not mentally deteriorating like Biden is.
		I mean, he's in full mental deterioration.
		It's crazy to pretend anything else that's happening right now.
		It's scary, first and foremost, because we have real enemies out there.
		There was this fracture in the conservative movement because people realized that when he was referring to the swamp, what he meant was it didn't actually matter if you were on the left or the right.
		They were all working together in D.C.
		and selling out all of America.
		I mean, there is no reason why you go to D.C.
		and become a multimillionaire.
		You're supposed to be there to serve the American people.
		You're there taking our tax dollars.
		So what was happening was these lobbying interests, like, you know, Big Pharma goes down and they lobby and they'll offer money to a candidate to go push a drug, like the COVID vaccine.
		Or they'll lobby for war.
		It's like, you know, biggest lobby, of course, military-industrial complex.
		So we're all suffering.
		You're going to work because these lobbyists are getting their incentives done by buying out these politicians.
		And so Trump kind of hit the scene as somebody who wasn't bought and paid for because he didn't need their money.
		He wasn't like a random congressman going to D.C.
		with no money.
		And he just started talking about the swamp.
		Like, it's not even Republican or Democrat.
		And I want people to wake up to that because I'm not here, like, ride or die for Republicans.
		They all sell us out.
		Like, the stuff that they did during COVID is criminal.
		It's just, it's criminal.
		Okay.
		I mean, just the free handouts.
		First off, trillions of dollars, you're signing these omnibus bills.
		If you read into it where that money is going, it's insane.
		It's literally going to museums, boards of museums.
		They're quite literally money laundering is what's happening when they sign these bills.
		But they keep it so that the information level is so low for Americans.
		It's like, oh, COVID's so bad.
		We're going to give you a check.
		That's like $300.
		This basically describes welfarism, right?
		Despite the fact that there's been trillions of dollars since keep paying into this ridiculous thing that we agreed to pay.
		This paradox of black people who will make an argument that the system is racist and then also make an argument like this, which is essentially making an argument for the Supreme Court to revisit Virginia v.
		Love and basically say that black Americans and white Americans shouldn't be.
		On chemistry, read a book on building houses, and he just comprehends the concepts.
		Trying to tell me this is black culture.
		Like, I grew up in my grandfather's house listening to The Temptations.
		Stop trying to tell me this is black culture.
		It's not.
		This is the first time people are going to pay attention to it because it hit the president, and they were right, obviously.
		I was only watching this court case because it had to do with Trump, and it was crazy.
		Like, somebody that corrupt should never be in a position to...
		Trying to get away with this.
		Tell you guys, look into the case.
		It is wild.
		Jean-Michel Trovano is now Brigitte Macron, transitioned at the age of 30.
		By the way, alone, that whole story of Emmanuel Macron was 30 years older.
		That already, we're in pedophile territory.
		So everything about that story has been sick from the beginning.
		That's something to me spiritually.
		Like, it makes me want to snap.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess, I'm not saying you're wrong, but you know, there are plenty of people that are like, well, why are you not with a black man?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
		I'm of a black man.
		My granddaddy, my dad, I'm of a black man.
		It's not going to, like, why do you feel impacted by it?
		Because I am seeing that intentional attack on black men and they're trying to condition black men to aspire to that.
		When you put that on a red carpet and like, oh, look, fame and men wear dresses.
		What is that?
		Stop selling that to the black community.
		I don't like that at all.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		I love the way that you and Ben Shapiro disagree, but then I guess they'll have a business relationship.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Here we go, here we go.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		I saw him recently tell you, maybe a few months ago, he told you to quit over your Israel coverage, your Palestine-Israel coverage.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		What was that about?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Well, he told me, well, the tweet that he responded to was actually just some biblical passages.
		And he thought that it was me saying that I had to choose money over, I don't know how we interpret it, but it was definitely not, I just meant it as like, you know, peace, calling for peace.
		Because, you know, there was a video circulating of him calling me a disgrace and a faux professional or whatever it was.
		I decided to choose peace.
		And then when I chose peace, he responded to the peace with, not peace.
		So why wouldn't you just, Well, as I explained on Tucker Carlson's show, Ben doesn't have the power to fire me.
		And it's not even saying that we disagree on Israel and Palestine.
		I just think that he's obviously, his wife is Israeli.
		He spends a lot of time in Israel throughout the year.
		I think when you have an emotional attachment to some place that sometimes your reaction to anything is going to be more extreme to it.
		I have some relatives that are from St.
		Thomas.
		If what was happening in that region was happening in St.
		Thomas, I would probably be the most fired up out of everybody at The Daily Wire.
		And yeah, he definitely went through, I think, an emotional time at the end of last year, you know, dealing with everything.
		I think I was pretty even keel.
		I don't want to see innocent Palestinians killed.
		I don't want to see innocent Israelis killed.
		I never want to see children killed.
		I don't believe children should have to grow up in a war zone based on the actions of a few.
		And that, I guess, last year sounded crazy.
		It sounded crazy because always the demand in all these situations is to make people pick a side.
		And then if you don't pick their side, then you get smeared and you get libeled, right?
		So if you don't say, I want every Palestinian murdered, then suddenly you're pro-Hamas.
		If you don't say like, I want every Israeli person eradicated, you know, then suddenly you're pro-apartheid or whatever the arguments are.
		And I think both of that is extreme.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		You said no government anywhere has a right to commit a genocide ever.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		There is no justification for genocide.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That is going to age so well.
		Genocide is always wrong.
		It is, guys.
unidentified		It is.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It is always wrong.
		And doesn't matter at any point in human history, any person that is advocating for genocide is always in the wrong.
		And when I wrote that tweet, I was referring to Brian Mast, who was a congressman.
		He got up and he literally said in Congress that there's no such thing as an innocent Palestinian.
		And I was like, that is genocidal.
		As soon as you say an entire group of people are all evil, you are now laying the groundwork to justify a genocide.
		And that, to me, was wild.
		So I spoke up against it.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		Have you been blackballed from videos?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I just stopped going on Fox.
		I used to, you know, my schedule's very busy, but I used to go only once a week on the Tucker Carlson Show.
		And then Tucker left Fox News.
		So I just didn't go on Fox News.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		You seem to be excited that Black America is embracing you, as you say.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
charlamagne tha god ▲ ● ▼		Why is that?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I'm just glad that they're hearing me for the first time.
		Forget embracing.
		I just wanted them to actually hear me.
		There was just so much, so many things said about me that just were not true.
		And no matter what, every time an article was written, they would just rehash the things that I never said.
		I mean, even the Joe Budden interview that was recently dropped and everyone's talking about it.
		Go read Hot New Hip Hop's article on it.
		It's wild.
		It's just not what was said at all in that interview.
		It's just patching together things to make me seem like I'm a monster, like Candice blames the education system for like Ice Spice's music.
		That's literally what they said.
		They ran with that.
		And so I'm just excited that they're at least hearing me.
		That's the biggest thing, actually being able to decide, okay, I heard Candice and here's what I think about her.
		Rather than I heard what somebody else heard, and what they say that I should have heard, and here's what I think about her.
unidentified		Yeah, because most of the hate is, like, domino.
unidentified		Like, you'll see, like, over the years, I've s- Alright.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Zero percent.
unidentified		Let me just tell you, zero percent that you're gonna be the next- But every black kid, because of the way he's hailed as a he- Alright, okay, so that was everybody, the whole stream, was like, watch the Candace Breakfast Club, watch the Candace- Now don't get me wrong.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Like Candace, love her, love what she's been saying lately, but this is just an interview about her and the black people, which is fine, but I'm not black, so I don't really care that much about, you know, all that she has to say about the black community, you know?
		The whole stream, the live chat is, watch the Candace Breakfast Club, watch the Candace Bre- and I knew it was gonna be this, because that's what it said in the title.
		In the title it said, Candace Owens on Black America.
		And it was an hour of talking about Uncle Tom this and LeBron that and some basic Trump stuff.
unidentified		So.
unidentified		Alright.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, we didn't.
		Yes, you did.
		Yes, you did.
unidentified		Live chat's refusing.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Live chat is now denying it.
unidentified		Alright.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think that's gonna be it for me.
		I think that's gonna do it for me.
		I've been live for three and a half hours.
		I thought I would have been live for longer, but I just can't watch this, dude.
		It's just too gay.
		It's too weird.
		It's giving me Catboy Cammy flashbacks.
unidentified		So, what are we doing with this?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I thought we were gonna watch the whole thing, but it's just like a lot of, like, imitation Sam Hyde humor.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Weird flirtatiousness.
unidentified		So I just don't really.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's all the guns and stuff.
unidentified		Just why?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And then just like a huge sit-down interview, like a two-hour interview.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Let's just watch the end for the benefit of society, that every cup of coffee you drink is like two African children dying.
unidentified		Every time you make an internet payment, you're killing like 100 people.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Like you could be donating every single extra dollar you make to charity.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		But at the end of the day, life would be miserable.
unidentified		And you probably- You're miserable, you're not gonna do anything.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		So, there's like a careful line I have to walk between, like, how much is too self-indulgent.
		Like, if we started to do, like, 12 months of exclusively OnlyFans girls biting people that are arguing about body count and pedophilia or some crazy shit, and then, like, no political content, that'd probably be bad.
		But if I did, like, 12 months of, like, what I just did for Israel-Palestine, where it's just, like, we're researching and reading every single day and that's all we're gonna do, I don't know if that would be as much fun either, so I try to... Get boring for you, you think?
		Yeah, I try to, like, walk a fine line between both.
unidentified		Is your number one goal in life through everything work?
		Would you be willing to sacrifice most of your personal relationships right now if I had a button?
		One button says sacrifice all my personal relationships and friends and one button says my job is gonna like 10x in the next year.
		Like what would you press?
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		I mean that's a hard one because like so much of my job is like stuff that I enjoy doing and it's integrated so much with like friendships and everything.
		So, like, I think I've even said this to you probably multiple times at this point, that if I worked at McDonald's, I would work at McDonald's, I would come home, and I would jump on my computer and start, like, fighting on Twitter with people.
		Like, that's just what I would do.
		And then I'd play video games.
unidentified		If I 10x work, I'm also getting massive enjoyment out of my personal life, too.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		So, I guess so, kind of, yes.
destiny steven bonnell ▲ ● ▼		But also, it's hard to answer the question, because a lot of my work relationships are integrated with my personal ones as well.
unidentified		Yeah, well, the other...
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, this just sucks.
		Just sucks.
		Like, tedious.
		Tedious, boring, who fucking cares?
		Alright, so that's it.
		I'm gonna look at the Super Chats.
		We'll see if I have any.
		If I have some, I'll read them.
		Yeah, we got some tonight.
		Alright, I'll read these and then I'm gonna get out of here, okay?
unidentified		Ugh, yeesh.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Stream was brutal today.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was clarified many times throughout the last 50 years.
		I don't know it by heart.
		search before attending my first mass soon and found there is a lot of controversy surrounding Vatican II.
		What is your understanding of Nostra 8, specifically the fourth section?
		Does this exonerate Jews from the crucifixion?
		Would my questions be better answered by a priest?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was clarified many times throughout the last 50 years.
unidentified		I don't know it by heart, so I don't know.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You're citing every section and I don't, I, you know, I'm not extremely familiar with it, but I know that they clarified it.
		There's a lot of misunderstanding around it and it doesn't say what the first version purports to say it does.
		So I'm sure if you're doing research, you can find the answers on that.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		phone rings SambaGrow Iper sent $5.
		It just seems a little telling that the ADL has a page for traditionalist Catholicism, but not the RCC or Orthodoxy.
		I can't stress enough that I am asking honestly.
		I am not seeking to be heretical, but please tell me if I am so that I can repent. - Okay, you are being heretical. - Gary Baker sent $75.
		I've been buying EMJ books on the Jews and dropping in the pews of every Catholic parish in my city.
		Do you think this is a decent idea?
		I just think we are powerless to defend ourselves until the Catholic Church regains consciousness on this issue because the Catholic Church is really the only organized body in the Western world.
		Thank you for the big super chat.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate it.
		Great idea.
		Keep it up.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Meow Groy sent $50.
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unidentified		Okay, thank you.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		I'm Hoplite sent $1,000.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		No message.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the... that definitely made it worth it.
		Thank you for the huge super chat.
		I appreciate it.
		Yo!
unidentified		Wow!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'm Hoplite.
		Can we get some 07s in the chat for I'm Hoplite?
		Okay, and feel a little bit lighter now.
		Feel the weight of this Brutal stream.
		Watching all this Destiny content.
		Having to deal with you people annoying the shit out of me in the live chat.
		Feel the weight lifting off my shoulders.
		Thank you for the huge super chat.
		I'm Hoplite.
		Huge07.
		God bless you, man.
		We all love you.
		Putting the stream on your back this week.
		Thank you so much.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Cactus Lamarter sent $50.
		Hey Nick, if the Talmud was never written, will the behavior of the Jews still be the same or a bit different?
		Love you Nick.
		Christ is King.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it'd be very similar.
unidentified		Thank you.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Northwest sent $5.
		Nice sweater.
		Shout out Canucks.
unidentified		Yes!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Shout out Tyler Russell.
unidentified		Thank you.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		ChadiBoy sent $20, I've managed to initiate like 10 people in my army unit and turn some of their friends and family anti-semitic.
		I feel like I need to shut the fuck up but I get so excited and my articulation has been very successful.
		Should I shut the fuck up?
		I've found many people in some corners already know this stuff but don't talk.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You should just shut the fuck up forever about anything to anyone.
unidentified		Cause you just sound annoying.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You sound like a faggot.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		What is up with the super chat?
		$100, hi Nick.
		My father was tragically killed fairly recently.
		I now find it hard to not only stay strong to my faith in God, but stay strong in my personal well-being.
		But I know that I must so that my mom is still being taken care of and not alone.
		I just miss him so much.
		How do you stay strong in your faith and in yourself in hard times?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Also, let's laugh at poor people. - Okay, well thank you for the big super chat.
		Yeah, fuck poor people for sure.
		Only rich people can afford $100 Super Chat.
		That's my audience.
		If you're rich, send me $100.
		And that means we're all winners.
		You're a winner.
		I'm a winner.
		And if you're too poor to do that, fuck you.
unidentified		You're too poor?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		If you're too poor, $100 is not a lot of money to throw away at your favorite streamer.
		If you can't do that, you're too poor to do that, fuck you.
		No, I'm kidding.
unidentified		Kidding, of course.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's just a joke.
		No, but thank you for the super chat.
		Listen, losing a loved one is very difficult.
		Friends, family, parents.
		There's no getting around that.
		The grief of losing someone close to you, one of the top five irreplaceable people in your life.
		It's devastating.
		There is nothing that can be said about that.
		It is just a part of life.
		We live, we die, and as surely as we die, those around us, some of them will die before us.
		We will miss them before we die.
		It is emotional.
		That is life.
		You know, I don't know what people are, whenever people ask me that question, I don't know what it is they're looking for.
		Life is hard.
		What's the remedy for that?
		To go without pain?
		To go without pain is to not be alive, really.
		It's never to have loved, not to feel at all.
		So pain, sadness, misery, it's part of life.
		It's an essential, fundamental part of life.
		It's actually the engine of life.
		It's not just part of it.
		It's fundamental.
		Life is a function of pain, actually.
		It's an inseparable part of the human experience.
		So, when people say, oh, you know, someone I know died and I feel sad about it.
		What do you do when you're sad?
		Well, I'm sad.
		You have to experience it.
		So...
		I don't know why death would separate you from God.
		Death is a part, that's kind of part of the deal.
		I don't think the Catholic religion says follow God and no one you love will die.
		It's quite the opposite actually.
		Faith is that we will be reunited with those people, that they're not actually dead.
		But yeah, so I mean, that's just part of, that's part of life.
		I don't know.
		I understand why people get upset.
		I never understand why I test people's faith.
		I feel like I've known people that have died.
		The story of history, it's a long story of people that have lived and then died.
unidentified		So, was that surprising to you?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It might have been unexpected, but As a surprise, would you have preferred that your father lived to see you die?
		Because that's the only other way it could go.
		Either your father dies and you live to see it, or you die and your father lives to see it.
		Which would you prefer?
		I think it should always be the case that the child lives to see the parents die.
		In almost every case, that's what makes sense.
		So you just have to resign yourself that that's actually your preferred outcome.
		You should prefer that it's not easy.
		You don't want the day to arrive when the two people that love you the most are not here, but what's the alternative?
		The alternative is you die, and your parents live with the grief, and the grief is worse.
unidentified		So, um...
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So yeah.
		So that's... I mean, my parents, thank God, are both still alive.
		I hope they'll be alive for a long time.
		But that's the one thing that gives me comfort, is knowing that I... I don't want them to die, but... I don't want to die before them.
		And not just for my own sake, I know that if I died before them, it would be devastating for them.
		Your parents dying is very sad, but it's also something that almost everybody goes through, just because of the order of birth.
		The alternative is that the child dies, which is more grief.
unidentified		So, that's my answer.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		sir only jesus sent five dollars great stream thank you ryan dawson did 9 11 sent ten dollars have you seen tucker plus rand paul discuss tiktok tucker says not about china might be about other foreign countries but it's definitely not about china subtext as jays he keeps using term neocons also not sure if you saw about a month ago universal music group pulled its music of tiktok
		that's crazy that Tucker said that what Ryan Dawson did $9.11 $10, UMG controls 32% of music industry more than Sony or Warner.
		This alone can crush TikTok.
		CEO is Lucien Grange, J, UMG owned by Baor, J, who own C for French Rothschild Bank.
		Descends from Goldschmidt banking family Grandma was part of French version of CIA Stas worked with Mossad.
		Yeah, thank you for all of that.
		Yeah, absolutely true.
		I think that's absolutely true.
		I don't know... I think it's possible.
		I don't know if you could say... That's certainly one theory.
		them pulling their music from TikTok shows it is obviously not for the reason they say no free rides for platforms, i.e. they are not getting enough royalties.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thank you for all of that.
		Yeah, absolutely true.
		I think that's absolutely true.
		I don't know.
		I think it's possible.
		I don't know if you could say that's certainly one theory.
		I don't know if you can prove that.
		It's evidence that that's the case, but I don't know if that's absolute proof.
unidentified		I don't know.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Bill Ackman being an owner is evidence in that direction though for sure.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Hold it down for the set my man.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		$15, I'm just here to send super chats and hold it down for the set.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		- Hold it down for the set, my man, thank you.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		- Blackrow, I percent $10.
		Side note, the level of access Destiny has to popular internet media figures is frustrating.
		Especially when contrasting the insight and sharpness of your ideas to his lack thereof.
		There's a future with you back in the spotlight coming.
		The tide is turning.
		People are, slowly, waking up.
unidentified		I hope so.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of frustrating.
		It's like everybody got red-pilled.
		I already paid the price for like seven years.
		I've been buried in censorship all this time.
		Now everybody gets red-pilled?
		It's like, hey Candace, I've been saying I got cancelled just like you seven years ago.
		So, must be nice to figure it out when Elon has Twitter and you got Rumble and... But, it is what it is.
		Hopefully, hopefully I get another play at the mainstream, but thank you.
		I appreciate it.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, cuz I'm sick, you fucking faggot.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Cuz I'm sick.
		She did a show on Tuesday and said, I hope I don't die that hasn't been seen since.
		I told you, I'm probably not gonna do a show this week.
		I'm doing day streams because it's not as taxing because I have a respiratory virus.
		Fucking loser.
		Fuck you.
		I just hate the live chat.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		- The people who watch the show are idiots. - Fresh garbage, five cent, $10.
		Mr. Fuentes has more balls than most.
		Adhering to Catholic principles, calling out Jewish control.
		Love him or hate him, he's right.
		Appreciate the effort.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Very true.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		- True, you're right about that. - Wonder Pets Patriots sent $5.
		Nothing more damning to the Alex Jones crowd than to hear the Daily Wire's Jordan Peterson call out the WEF in the UN.
		Clearly these are designated safe targets if Ben Shapiro cosigns on it.
unidentified		- Hmm, yes.
unidentified		Very true.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Freya Woods sent $3.
		What's your eschatology?
		And if not universalism, why?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because that's heresy?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Some will go to hell.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Mandelbrot sent $20.
		He is serious?
		Or is he so entrenched in this persona that he's forced to stick with it?
		Broadly speaking.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think he's just dumb.
		He's a sophist.
		I think he's a nihilist and a sophist.
		I think he just doesn't care.
		It's not about that for him.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		The credit belongs to JimboZoomer Experience.
		JimboZoomer is the one that really shined the light on Destiny's stupidity and ignorance.
		The credit belongs to Jimbo Zoomer Experience.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Jimbo Zoomer is the one that really shined the light on destiny, stupidity, and ignorance.
		If it wasn't for Jimbo Zoomer Experience, the world would not know how stupid he is.
		So all the credit is for Jimbo.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I wonder if he knew all that.
		Cause that's a little sus.
		Before you lean in for kisses as a joke, are you aware that man is an open bisexual that sucks penis on the regular? - Yeah, I wonder if he knew all that, 'cause that's a little sus.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Little bit sus.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for the super chat.
		We love you.
		$100.
		I agree with the other day.
		Send 100 a month or a smile.
		I appreciate your efforts.
		I'm a long time Muslim supporter.
		We are closer together in service slash faith to God than many may know.
		Keep up the good work you, Candice, and others have my support.
		God bless you, America first.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, thank you, man.
		Thanks for the super chat.
		We love you.
		We love you, Muslim.
		Thank you very much.
		You know, it's Muslims and Christians against these Jews that are just raping our country and censoring everybody and giving everybody a hard time.
		So I really appreciate it, man.
		God bless.
		America First!
		Let's go!
		Well, I know this guy's not gay because he sent me $100.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		W. Sewer Lizard sent $15.
		Turkey Tom can't keep his hands off Destiny.
		WTF.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a little sus.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		A little freaky.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, nice work.
		I followed that channel.
		Someone says Candace got asked a Spurgy JQ question.
		4410.
		Alright, let's see.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Guys, don't be trying to grope her.
		that channel.
		Someone says Candace got asked a Spurgy JQ question.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Yo, yo, yo, sent $3.
		At 4410, Candace gets asked a really Spurgy JQ question at Q&A yesterday.
		Hello.
unidentified		4410.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's see.
		Guys, don't be trying to grope her.
		Leave her alone, please.
unidentified		It's a question, but you've said that you're a big believer in free speech and discussing controversial topics.
		I'm sorry, Big believer in what? - Free speech and discussing controversial topics.
		Yes in your To the people that are dressed up as clowns you guys can literally come to the front let them go first just like free speech and discussing controversial topics I'm sorry big believer in what Free speech and discussing controversial topics.
		Yes.
		In your most recent interview with Rabbi Barkley, I believe.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was yesterday.
unidentified		He said that Jews that don't support Zionism are essentially self-hating Jews.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Just recently, Kristi Noem, who is on the shortlist for Trump's vice president pick, passed the Ensuring the Security of God's Chosen People law in South Dakota.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know this.
unidentified		Effectively making it illegal to be anti-semitic.
		Richard Nixon said that Zionist Jews in America believe that putting Israel first does not mean you're putting America second.
		The definition of a fifth column is a group of persons inside the battle lines of a territory engaged in a conflict who secretly sympathize with the enemy, also sometimes referred to as a Trojan horse.
		The ADL trains every new FBI agent on their role as protect- It's too much!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Didn't I teach you guys anything?
		When you ask these questions, it can't be a monologue.
		You're trying to put 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag.
		Q&A is not the time to create, like, a proof for anti-Semitism.
		Well, you know, and establishing all these different—South Dakota law makes it illegal to be anti-Semitic.
		Richard Nixon said you could be Israel first and not be anti-Semitic.
		The definition of a fifth column is this.
unidentified		Like, where, where, this is a 10 point proof. - Hectors of the American people and the constitution.
		Nancy Pelosi said, "If the US Capitol burns to the ground, the one thing that will remain is our support for Israel." In 1968, Zionist Jewish citizens were declared to be Poland's enemies and were denounced as a fifth column.
		The ADL is an organization that associates America first patriots with extremism, terrorism, and bigotry.
		My question to you is, what is so extreme about wanting to preserve this country's national identity and putting America first?
		Do you think a special interest group like the ADL lobbying for bipartisan support of Israel's interests before the United States would qualify them as a fifth column?
		Thank you.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for your question.
		It's a loaded one.
		You're trying to get me in trouble.
		And I will answer your question.
		First and foremost, I think that lobbying should be banned full stop.
		I think our politicians are bought and paid for.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, why are you trying to grope her?
		Do not, please stop trying to grope her.
		She has been more honest than most.
		She has gone just about as far as you can without getting really canceled.
		Stop trying to put pressure on her.
		Why would you put pressure on the other people?
		Put pressure on Shapiro.
		Put pressure on Charlie Kirk.
		Put pressure on the people that haven't been honest.
		Take the pressure off of her.
		Because if you put pressure on her after she's come this far, she's going to turtle her.
		She's gonna go back in the shell.
		She's gonna say, okay, you know, I'm not being embraced.
		You know, I'm getting, I'm getting drawn further and further into this controversy.
		So that was just a wrong move and the question was just like Convoluted like not an appropriate way to structure that for that setting So don't if that was a griper, please stop trying to it was it wasn't bad.
		It wasn't like Theoretically wasn't bad, but you're asking the wrong person.
		You should be asking the other people and Too long too many moving parts You know you're trying to write a thesis there We'll watch her answer that one.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		When we're talking about a swamp, and if you want to know the reason why they go to D.C.
		and they never want to come out, it's because they're making money a thousand different ways because of lobbyists.
		The biggest lobby is obviously Big Pharma, which I dedicate all of my time talking about, and your APAC, ADL.
		Obviously, we understand that there is a very, very powerful lobby that's pro-Israel in D.C.
		Now, in terms of my own viewpoints on it, just like I said, I think lobbying should be banned.
		I think it's wrong.
		There's nothing wrong with being America First.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're forcing her to cop out on that one.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Do not pressure her, please.
unidentified		Alright.
unidentified		Alright.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Florida Groepa sent $15.
		Speed Call of War.
		Better you should do a stream of that.
		07 Nick 07 Moneybags.
		Hop light lol.
unidentified		Thank you for that.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Cozy Clips sent $100.
		There is a big debate on Twitter.
		Would a Christian nationalist government ban Judaism and Islam or not?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's a dumb question.
		Why would we even be debating that right now?
		That's just like bait for you to make yourself completely alienated from everybody.
		Here's a question that helps us.
		Should the government be Christian?
		Yes.
		And many people, as time goes on, are going to say, yes, yes it should be.
		Yes, we should have Christian laws.
		Here's a question that hurts us.
		Should we ban every religion that isn't Christianity?
		Because that sets you up where if you say no, then, well, you're not sufficiently Christian.
		If you say yes, then anyone who isn't Christian or isn't very Christian is gonna say, oh, fuck this guy, he's an extremist.
		So, I don't know who's asking that question.
		Is that a question by the ADL?
		Is that a question by Destiny?
		Who's asking that one and trying to get, who's trying to purity spiral or, on the other hand, trying to get people in trouble?
		Oh, it's Mio and Beardson.
		Oh, I'm really su- Wow, that's really surprising.
		That's really shocking that that's where that came from.
		I'm floored that something tactically- that's a tactical hindrance came from that think tank, from that General Milieu.
		I'm totally shocked.
		What a surprise that I'm over here, like, me and Keith Woods are on big streams and putting out big tweets, redpilling people every day with solid rhetoric and talking points, and then from the Groyper milieu came something totally self-defeating.
		I'm just sh- I am just absolutely shocked.
		That from the Gruyper think tank, the Gruyper milieu, is like maybe one of the worst questions we could ask at this moment.
		Should we ban- like right now, Muslims and Christians are basically in agreement that Jews did 9-11 and killed JFK and are committing a genocide and hate everybody.
		What's the one thing that could sow division between them?
		I know!
		We have to double down on antagonizing Muslims in a hypothetical scenario where a Christian nationalist government gets elected.
		We're gonna ban you guys!
		What the fuck?
		I'm so surprised.
		That's crazy.
		Alright.
		Sheesh.
		Thank you for the big super chat though.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Sinful sent $10.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Thoughts on Robert Sepper?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't really know anything about him.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We had a couple of exchanges when I was on Twitter as Autumn Groyper, but I've never really seen his content.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Like.1 sent $100.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Soup money?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the soup money.
		I'm very sick.
		I'm very congested.
		So thank you.
		I appreciate it.
		Thank you for the big super chat.
		That's a lot of Panera Bread.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		John Dave Irving sent $1,001.
		Whoa!
		Hoplite has blackmail on me and threatened to have his illegal immigrant employees come after me if I didn't own him.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Hey!
		W Hoplite!
		Well, you one-upped him!
		Oh seven, John Dave, wow!
		This is a great stream.
		This is the greatest stream ever.
		I told you guys it was gonna be a good stream.
		I told you it'd be a good stream.
		I don't know if you like the Destiny content, but that's two grand, which is two super chats.
		So hey, thank you very much, John Dave Irving.
		This is a rich nigga.
		These are two rich niggas.
		I'm Hoplite and John Dave Irving is Moneybags.
		Moneybags over here.
		In a bidding war.
unidentified		1,000-1,001.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, John Dave Irving.
		We love you.
		I saw you on a Twitter space the other day.
		Very funny stuff.
		Love both of you guys.
		And they're funny, too.
		I'm Hoplite was... He was... I don't want to dox him, but this guy was up to... He was standing on business recently.
		I don't want to dox, but I heard some reports.
		This guy's fucking badass.
		He was standing on business.
		John Dave Irving stands on business, too.
		He's got the fastest car I've ever been in.
		Hey, so thank you very much, buddy.
		I'm gonna gla... Little glazing for both of you.
		Little post-huge super chat glazing is in order for the both of you.
		But thanks a lot, guys.
		07s to the both of them.
		They have funded the show.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		FloridaGroiper sent $3.
		I think it would be cool if you did an analysis of Ron Paul x Tuck.
		Thoughts?
		Boring?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Sounds boring.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		MoseyMo sent $3.
		PaulTown gives the best aura.
		Vamp status equals uncontested.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The aura?
unidentified		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		PaulTown has an unmatched aura.
		He's one of the only streamers I watch these days.
		Him, JimboZoomerExperience.
		They got the aura.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		PooVibe sent $3.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Ballz.
unidentified		Ballz.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Within Ballz interlinked.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		FloridaGroipa sent $3.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Cox.
unidentified		Ballz.
unidentified		Cox.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Ballz.
unidentified		Ballz.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Within Ballz interlinked.
unidentified		Interlinked.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for that.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Pooh vibe.
		Shut up.
		Just shut the fuck up, loser.
		And kill yourself.
		Thank you.
		your sleep schedule and started being healthy would be a w not an l you know that right just shut the fuck up loser frizz sent 15 i love nick fuentes no message thank you i love me too donald farrell sent 15 thank you for the star wars trailer review Just saying what we're all thinking.
		I legit can't watch anything produced after 2016 anymore.
		Sad.
		Had me laughing my ass off though.
		Keep it up!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		True, yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No more, no more Nig Jedi, please.
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Why?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Why all Nig Troopers, Nig Jedi?
		Come on, man.
		Give us a white guy Jedi.
		Give us a white guy Stormtrooper.
		Enough.
		Even the Fallout TV show.
		Fallout TV show.
		I know a good idea.
		A stupid fucking bitch Vault Dweller and a Nig Brotherhood of Steel guy.
unidentified		And a zombie.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Where's the fucking white guys?
		Fallout, Star Wars, The Avengers.
		We want Iron Man.
		We want Anakin.
		This is what we want.
		These are the just and reasonable demands of the American people.
		So yeah, I've had enough of that Jedi dreadlocks.
		Obi-Wan Kennega.
		Please, let's just have some white people in Star Wars again.
		Is that too much?
		To ask for?
streamlabs matthew tts ▲ ● ▼		Because they're dispensationalists.
		Why do you think American conservative and Christians are so pro-Israel when they deny Jesus?
		Muslims love Jesus and is a very important figure for them.
		Why do you think that is happening?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because they're dispensationalists.
		They believe that the Israel in the Bible is the Jewish state of Israel that was founded 70 years ago and And propaganda.
		A lot of propaganda and Christian dispensationalist propaganda.
unidentified		It's very simple.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Religious propaganda.
		Catholics don't accept this, but Protestants do.
		Okay, that's the last Super Chat.
unidentified		Geesh.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, brother.
		These Super Chats suck.
		Okay.
		Well, that's gonna do it for me on the stream.
		I'm not doing a show tonight.
		Hopefully, I'll be back tomorrow.
		I've been under the weather.
		I've been very congested, so I'm kind of leaning on the reaction content, so I don't have to do a long monologue.
		But I'll most likely be... I'll try my best.
		I think I'll be back tomorrow doing the show.
		Not doing a show tonight, but I'll be back tomorrow, okay?
		Probably.
		Most likely tomorrow.
unidentified		Probably.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'll do a stream tomorrow either way.
		I'll either do a commentary stream tomorrow or I'll do a show.
		I will stream tomorrow.
		I don't know if it'll be a show or commentary though, but that's gonna do it for me today.
		I hope you liked the stream.
		Thanks for watching.
		Thanks to our Super Chatters, especially John Dave Irving.
		I'm Hoplite.
		It's not listing all of them though.
		I don't know why.
		It's not listing everybody I need to name.
		But thanks everybody that's giving a big super chat.
		Especially though, I'm Hoplite John Dave Irving.
		We love you guys.
		Thanks everybody for watching.
		I hope you liked it.
		I'm gonna pick a outro song and then I'm getting out of here.
		And I gotta get a Big Mac.
unidentified		I gotta get a... something.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'm starving.
		I haven't eaten all day.
		How about a little Vultures?
		That's like four minutes, though.
		Need something shorter.
unidentified		How about... How about this is a good song?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Alright, alright.
		I'm outta here.
		Thanks for watching.
		See you guys tomorrow.
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unidentified		It's going to be only America!

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