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Nov. 8, 2023 - America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes
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hanging out and having fun
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destiny steven bonnell
21:24
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john doyle
20:11
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nick fuentes
03:08:54
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theo von
08:04
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tucker carlson
07:08
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clayton morris
01:04
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roseanne barr
01:13
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01:42
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alex jones
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unidentified
We'll see you next time.
And in the end he found a girl to share his life Let us go down if this love's is bright.
La-da, la-da, la-da, la-da.
Ooh, I want to know if he's dreaming.
Though he found his home, I can't turn his soul.
The subtle cue, the hermit found.
A new voice that traveled loud.
What a life he once said in the end.
Time to fly, I wonder of what you did.
Ooh, I want to know if he dreamed at all.
But his heart went cold, the storm he's never told.
Ooh, I want to know.
Ooh, I want to know if he's dreaming.
Ooh, I want to know.
I want to know if he's dreaming at all.
But his heart went cold, the storm he's never told.
Ooh, I want to know if he's never told.
Take a piece of what you came for and be careful on the door.
Out on the way, well, I would have to say it's evident that this won't ever work in time.
I want to lose my mind.
I don't want to wait around for all I hope.
I really have to go, but I don't want to stop.
She takes all my money.
She never remembers the call.
She still leaves me breathless.
I'll be the first to let him know.
Heaven is your simple daylight.
It's been shining on the altar of a sermon on a Sunday afternoon.
With seven men to call.
It's awful that I know about the worst of times.
I want to lose my mind.
I don't want to wait around for all I hope.
I really got to go, but I don't want to stop.
She takes all my money.
She never remembers the call.
She still leaves me breathless.
I'll be the first to let him know.
She still leaves me breathless.
Thank you.
Thank you.
See you.
I just wanna be your street heart You come here, give me your heart Just you and me, you and me I can't fucking breathe, too much ecstasy Kiss me on the lips, chunk me on the floor
Drag me around, push me right against your door I'm your little dog, come and play with me Dying on my hair, we can be in the scene What's up, you don't tell me You're so crazy, manipulate me Fucking chase me, fucking break me
nick fuentes
You're my everything, you just reach me I just wanna be your street heart I just wanna be here, give me your heart Hey, what's going on everybody It's me, Nick Fuentes, back with another stream.
Good afternoon.
We're here on Rumble.
Welcome, everyone, to the stream at a time where I normally never go live, but it's 1 p.m.
and we're doing a casual livestream.
And we're going to be covering a lot of content and going to be having a lot of fun, hanging out and having fun.
That's what I'm all about.
That's the title of the stream.
We're hanging out, having fun.
And that's really my whole life is hanging out and having fun.
That's what it's all about.
That's what we're going to be doing today.
So strap in, check in and you're in the live chat.
Tap in, say good afternoon or whatever.
I want to see who's watching today.
Who's in the live chat?
Anybody cool?
Or just you bunch of faggots?
Just a bunch of people that suck that I don't even know.
Who's in here?
Dalton Clodfelter.
Hey, good afternoon.
AngloZoomer, the most trusted name in news.
Good afternoon.
Who else?
Who else is in here?
Anybody familiar?
Anybody that I know?
Anybody that I know, though?
Who's in here?
I don't recognize any of you guys.
Andy Warski Jr.
Groyper, good afternoon.
Who else?
I don't even know any of you people.
Who even shows up to the stream?
I don't even know one of you.
Let's see.
Yeah, it's just a lot of new people.
Must be the Rumble people.
Where's all the- Oh, okay.
We got Principal Groyper.
What up?
How's it going?
And, um... Who else do we have here?
Real Tom AF.
Classic.
Of course.
And a lot of new faces, but that's okay.
Tenryo!
The fuck you just say to me, Tenryo?
Tenryo says, I show up.
A lot.
Yeah, what up?
What's going on, my man?
You gotta love Tenryo.
Who else?
unidentified
My head already hurts.
nick fuentes
Anyway, good afternoon.
I'm gonna be having a lot of fun here.
We're gonna be hanging out.
I got my coffee.
It's 1 p.m.
and I'm just getting my day started.
I got my warm coffee.
unidentified
Yummy!
nick fuentes
You know, I really messed up though with the coffee.
I got I got like a cinnamon coffee, I thought that would be good.
It sucks.
You need to get cinnamon cream.
I went to the store, cause I was out of coffee, and I got new coffee, and I looked at the bag, and I was gonna get the thing I usually get, but the bag said cinnamon, cinnamon something, and I was like, oh that sounds good.
But you know what, now the coffee itself tastes like cinnamon, it tastes weird.
It tastes weird.
So don't get cinnamon... Don't get flavored coffee.
Get regular coffee.
Get flavored cream.
That's what you need, is a flavored cream.
unidentified
Cause the... The flavored coffee just tastes funky.
nick fuentes
So I, you know... But I've been putting up with it.
I mean, what am I gonna do?
Not drink it?
I mean, I bought it, so... I've been drinking this shitty coffee for like three weeks.
It's okay.
Anyway...
I need someone to go to the store for me.
And usually I push back against this kind of stuff.
You know, you see these memes on social media where it's like, oh, without women, men don't know how to take care of themselves.
unidentified
Oh, if I didn't have my wife, I'd just be in a dumpster somewhere.
If I didn't have my girlfriend, I don't know, I guess I'd be in a sewer.
I'd be floating down a sewer somewhere.
nick fuentes
And I usually push back and say, get a grip, man.
Of course men can do stuff but there is some truth to that you know because I go to the store and I have like no food in my fridge in my pantry and if I go to the store I'll just get like one bag of chips and think oh that's enough like I'm like oh I should probably get some food while I'm at the store usually I go to the store I get water coffee pop
and whatever else you know light bulb but I'll say I think I'll get some food this time too and I'll get like literally I'll get a box of Cheez-Its and then I eat it in a day and I'm like where's all the food I get a bag of ruffles one bag of ruffles and eat the whole thing in two sittings so you know women women know what to shop for I feel like women women fill the house they know just what to get not that I know
unidentified
But I feel like that's what happens.
nick fuentes
I go to the store, I buy 17 light bulbs and a bag of ruffles.
And a case of water.
Anyway.
Someone says he's poor.
unidentified
I'm not poor, bitch.
nick fuentes
I'm rich.
I eat doordash every day.
That's because all the food that I get, I just order delivery, you pussy.
You couldn't eat what I eat.
Poor.
I just don't like to cook.
And it's not even I don't like to cook, I don't like to clean up.
I hate dishes.
It's my least favorite.
There's something about, like, leftover food on a plate.
It just totally skeeves me out.
I mean, laundry is whatever.
unidentified
I mean, I could do anything other than Other than dishes.
nick fuentes
Dishes is gross.
unidentified
Anyway.
nick fuentes
Alright, alright.
So let's get into the stream here, though.
Let's get into the stream.
You know what?
I think I'm gonna take these... This headset's giving me a headache.
And I don't even really need it right now.
Um... Actually, I need it for this.
So... The first thing I want to do on the stream... So I just saw this before I went live.
This is actually partially why I wanted to go live.
I saw this clip on Twitter.
Apparently, Destiny... He's live right now.
Excuse me.
And he just did a, uh, he just did a stream where he took a map quiz.
He took a geography quiz.
And this was the result.
He took a U.S.
map quiz.
Okay.
That's, that's a quiz of all the American states.
And I'll just play the clip.
This is what he had to say.
unidentified
Okay.
I'll take it.
All right.
Okay.
Okay.
Not too bad.
Not too bad.
nick fuentes
Okay, look at this.
This guy has been a political livestreamer for 10 years.
For over 10 years.
He is on YouTube.
He's like the number one guy on the left.
For 10 years.
He is going to invite his audience to say, listen to me.
I have something to say about politics.
I have expertise and you need to listen to my opinions.
This is his... He got 64%.
You can't see him.
He got... That's my buddy.
He got 64%.
It took him 5 minutes.
It took him 4 minutes 20 seconds to get 64%.
He didn't know where Montana or Wyoming were.
Wisconsin, Kentucky, Indiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts and New Hampshire.
He didn't know where any of these places were.
And then he took other geography quizzes.
I think they're in the replies here.
Maybe replies to the... there's another tweet by Jimbo, I think.
Jimbo Zoomer.
unidentified
Where is it?
nick fuentes
Well, I have it over here on Telegram, anyway.
Where's the other one?
Because he also took an Asia, Europe, and... and something else map quiz.
Asia, Europe, and Africa.
And the results... I thought someone posted them, maybe not.
I mean, I have them on Telegram, so... On...
So on the American states he got 64%, on Europe he got 72%, on Africa he got 34%, in Asia he got 66%.
This guy doesn't know anything!
And I saw this Autumn Greuper who people are telling me about.
I don't know who Autumn Greuper is but people have been telling me about this account.
He also tweeted the other day.
He said, did I just hear Destiny pronounce Nasser as Nasir?
Bruh, every time I watch his content, it's crazy.
Bro doesn't know anything.
And that's true!
I saw the same video.
It's in this debate.
He says Nasser is Nasir.
In this clip, he says that America is not building an alliance to counter Iran in the Middle East.
When there's been a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran for 40 years, It's like, every time I talk to this guy, it's like, this guy doesn't know anything!
He doesn't know anything!
And, you know, you might be saying to yourself, well, so what?
Who can get 100% on an Africa map quiz?
Or Asia?
Or Europe?
Or your own freaking country?
But it's not like we pulled this guy off the street and said, hey, take a bunch of map quizzes and tell us your opinion about the Middle East.
He's a political livestreamer for 10 years!
So I wanted to take the quiz to see what I get.
Now I want to take the quiz.
Can you hear the music, by the way?
I want to have a little background music, but not too loud.
So I'm going to take the math quiz.
So this has been running for like a half hour, 40 minutes, whenever I pulled it up, but I'm going to restart it here.
I'm going to take the math quiz and I'm going to dominate this brainlit here.
I don't know how you don't know about geography.
Must be a different kind of autist because for me, and I said this on my show, when I was in high school that's all I did was Do these geography quizzes, actually.
It's been a long time since I've done one.
It's probably been, I don't know, three years, but... When I was in high school and I was in study hall, I had study hall at the end of the day every day.
I would race to the computer, because there were only three computers in study hall, and I would just do math quizzes the entire time.
I would memorize... I memorized all the presidents, I memorized all the... all the countries, all the capitals, Maybe he was a different kind of autist.
Different type of autism.
So anyway.
So let's take the map quiz.
Let's see how I do, okay?
I'm gonna jump in.
We'll see how I do.
And I'm gonna take all the quizzes, okay?
I'm gonna take a world quiz.
Well, maybe we'll do continent by continent, then world quiz.
We'll start with American states, but this is gonna be... I mean, this is nothing.
But I have to do it just because it's like... This is a, uh, goofball retard.
And by the way, it took him 4 minutes.
It took him 4 minutes 20 seconds to get everything wrong.
To get most things wrong.
Er, not most, but 40% of it wrong.
So I, you know, I know this is nothing.
But clearly it's not nothing for everybody.
It's not nothing for every person.
Or not even every political livestreamer.
Not every person that's been doing a political livestream for their entire life.
for their entire adult life.
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
See?
unidentified
That wasn't hard.
nick fuentes
And by the way, this, this is basic!
This is basic.
Everyone should know, every American should be able to do this.
Every American.
And not, not even, not even just every American, but certainly if you talk about American politics, For a living?
And to spend your entire adult life talking about it?
You should be able to do that.
that you should be able to click on every American state without failing okay This is what- So he just did this, it took him three minutes longer, and he got half of it wrong.
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
But let's, let's make it a little harder.
Shall we?
Somebody post the other maps.
Let me see, where are the other maps?
Someone give me a link to the other maps that he did.
I want to see them.
Somebody put it on Twitter so I can pull it up on stream.
Can somebody post them?
Post it if you got it.
As a matter of fact, you know what, it might still be up here.
If he's live right now.
destiny steven bonnell
Sure is.
nick fuentes
Okay, so let's do Africa.
This is what he, this is what he got on Africa.
unidentified
I don't want to watch.
nick fuentes
Okay, so he got 34% on Africa.
In three and a half minutes.
I don't think I'll get 100% on Africa.
I might miss a few.
But he got 34%.
Let's see if we can beat that.
And by the way, 34% is bad.
Okay.
If you get 34%, that's kind of bad, I think.
But let's see.
Let me give it a try, okay?
Let me give it the old college try here.
unidentified
Okay.
I might get some wrong Which one's Ivory Coast now I'm
Okay, there we go.
Okay.
nick fuentes
See, I'm not gonna get 100% here, but...
I think we'll do better than 30%.
unidentified
Which one's Sierra Leone now?
nick fuentes
I think I just clicked it too, isn't it?
unidentified
I know that's gone on.
I know that's Liberia.
I know that's Guinea.
nick fuentes
Where's Sierra Leone?
Is it out here?
Is it out here in the water?
Otter, can I pass?
unidentified
That's not Tommy.
nick fuentes
No, that's Cabo Verde.
Come on, where's Sierra Leone?
unidentified
That's Comoros.
nick fuentes
That's Mauritius.
Sierra Leone's not out there, is it?
unidentified
No.
nick fuentes
Fake country, for real.
unidentified
It's over... where?
nick fuentes
Or no, I misclicked that one.
unidentified
It's this, right?
There we go.
No. No.
Oh.
No.
Ah ah Ah
Ah Okay.
There we go.
nick fuentes
Alright, well, they get 100%.
But 90%, not bad.
Alright, now let's do... So that's Africa.
Alright, I missed a few on that one, I'll admit.
But, you know, better than 30%.
unidentified
Let's see.
nick fuentes
Why don't we do... Should we just do a world quiz?
To stop wasting our time with...
Continent by continent.
unidentified
Let's do... Let's do this.
nick fuentes
Can I zoom in, though?
How am I gonna click?
unidentified
How am I gonna zoom in?
nick fuentes
How am I gonna zoom in, though?
Like this, I guess?
Can I drag?
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
Dude, how am I going to...
This is not the best way to do this.
I mean, it's right there, but...
That just seems not like the best way to do this.
unidentified
Thank you.
Whatever, we'll do it.
nick fuentes
We'll do it, I'm a trooper.
Let's, maybe we could zoom in like that.
unidentified
There we go.
Let's see, Bangladesh, Mauritania, we just learned is here.
nick fuentes
Kyrgyzstan is up here.
Now, I'm not going to get the island countries, I don't think.
Because who knows these?
unidentified
I mean... These are goofy as fuck.
nick fuentes
I'm not going to get any of the islands, but I'll probably get 100% of the countries.
Or close to 100%.
of the countries are close to 100%.
The real countries.
Yeah, see like the same Vincent and Grenadines.
unidentified
Who's gonna get this?
All right.
Whoops.
nick fuentes
Yo!
Palestine is on here!
Based?
BAM!
unidentified
Based?
Yeah, see dude, who is even? who is even?
Whoops.
Bro!
Okay, there we go.
Okay, whatever dude.
Do you know that's pronounced Kiribati by the way?
Alright.
nick fuentes
I probably should have just done a content by content.
unidentified
I was like, why mess around doing a content?
but that would probably have been way easier.
Where's East Time?
Or I might mess this one up.
nick fuentes
Or not!
Or not because I'm a genius.
unidentified
Kiribati.
nick fuentes
I know it's chaotic the way I'm scrolling all over.
unidentified
I apologize.
Okay.
It's Kazakhstan.
nick fuentes
Iran.
Maldives.
unidentified
Mexico.
nick fuentes
Dominica is somewhere there.
unidentified
Luxembourg, here.
nick fuentes
Syria, here.
Malawi, here.
Paraguay, there.
unidentified
Boom!
nick fuentes
Niger, there.
unidentified
Boom!
nick fuentes
Jamaica, boom!
Geography is easy for me because I have been doing it forever.
unidentified
Let's see.
Okay, yeah.
nick fuentes
Central America is gonna be a challenge for sure.
I'm definitely gonna mess all these up for sure.
unidentified
Okay, one of these is Suriname and one of these is French Guinea and this is Guyana.
Okay.
nick fuentes
Catastrophe avoided.
Andorra is in there.
Costa Rica is gonna be one of these.
unidentified
That's Panama.
I'm gonna get killed in Central America, for real.
Okay, whatever.
nick fuentes
Look, it's been a minute, okay?
So it's not gonna be perfect.
It's gonna be a little ugly.
It's gonna be a little ugly, but you know, the important stuff, we're gonna get all the important stuff, for real.
But the important stuff, we're gonna get.
Okay, one of these is 80.
unidentified
Okay, boom.
Boom.
Yeah, boom.
nick fuentes
And Bhutan is there, and Singapore is there, and Eritrea is there.
And then once I finish this, then we're gonna do, like, real content, okay?
I just have to... I just have to... go off.
unidentified
Real quick.
Okay.
Micronesia.
Okay.
Bolivia.
Cameroon. Myanmar.
Boom.
Benin.
Boom.
nick fuentes
North Korea.
unidentified
Boom.
nick fuentes
China.
unidentified
Boom.
Now this is just playing on easy mode at this point.
nick fuentes
Serbia.
The Zionist occupation regime.
Armenia.
unidentified
Belarus.
Jordan.
nick fuentes
One of the islands.
unidentified
Here we go.
Suriname.
Boom.
Republic of the Congo.
Yemen.
Oops.
Uganda.
Boom.
Panama.
Boom.
nick fuentes
Netherlands.
unidentified
Yep.
Iraq.
Yep.
Libya.
Boom.
Okay, this one's just not gonna happen for sure.
Which one's Barbados even?
Barbados is down here, right? - Brah, okay.
nick fuentes
Northern Triangle.
This is gonna be a struggle.
unidentified
Okay.
That was okay.
nick fuentes
That was easy.
unidentified
St.
nick fuentes
Lucia's down here.
unidentified
Which one's this now?
Nope.
Ah, okay.
Tina.
Vietnam.
Oops.
Why is it?
Okay.
nick fuentes
Russia.
unidentified
Canada.
Malaysia.
nick fuentes
Djibouti.
unidentified
Monaco.
Solomon Islands.
Marshall Islands.
Grenada's down here.
Sudan.
This one is this one.
Boom!
Tunis.
Turkey yay.
nick fuentes
Turkey yay.
Turkey yay 24.
Turkey Yay 24.
Turkey Yay 24?
unidentified
New Zealand.
What I could get Liechtenstein.
nick fuentes
Boom.
Uzbekistan.
unidentified
Boom!
nick fuentes
Yeah, I know all the stands, okay?
unidentified
Gabon is here.
Guinea-Bissau is here.
nick fuentes
Slovakia is here.
Nicaragua is one of these.
unidentified
It's one of these.
Okay.
nick fuentes
Brunei is there.
Tajikistan is there.
We're closing in.
We're almost, almost at the finish line here.
unidentified
Is it... Is... This your card?
nick fuentes
Yep.
unidentified
What up?
India.
nick fuentes
North Macedonia.
St.
unidentified
Kitts.
nick fuentes
I'm gonna get one of these right.
unidentified
Yep.
Senegal.
Hungary.
nick fuentes
Haiti.
We're in the endgame.
unidentified
Honduras.
Yeah.
Central America.
I'll admit.
They kind of got us on Central America.
I'm not gonna lie to you.
We're kind of struggling there.
Ecuador is... Oh no, I forgot which one's Ecuador.
And which one's Peru?
nick fuentes
No, you thought I didn't.
No, but you thought I did.
Yeah, no, but you thought I forgot.
unidentified
Okay.
Rwanda.
But I knew.
nick fuentes
I knew the entire time.
Trinidad and Tobago is there.
Trinidad Creole.
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
There.
And Albania.
Romania.
unidentified
And this one.
nick fuentes
And where was Sierra Leone again?
unidentified
Over there?
I knew.
nick fuentes
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Well, 87%.
nick fuentes
It's not great.
It's not great, but you know what?
They had all those islands in there.
unidentified
All right.
nick fuentes
So, basically, I won.
unidentified
I got a higher percentage.
nick fuentes
But look, here's the big picture, though.
Europe, I got 100%.
Asia, I got 100%.
Whoa, they didn't have Taiwan?
Okay, this is a very political game.
This is a very political game.
They didn't have Western Sahara.
Oh, but it says recognized by the UN.
unidentified
Okay, that's why.
nick fuentes
I was gonna say, I'm like, what, this game is like Chinese propaganda?
This game is Moroccan propaganda?
You don't recognize the sovereignty of Western Sahara?
Okay, but here's the real, here's the headline.
Is I only missed two countries in Africa.
Central America, we got fucked up, okay?
And I missed all the ocean countries.
But if you exclude the ocean countries, I got everything right.
So let's see, what else could we do?
unidentified
No, no, I guess that's it.
nick fuentes
I guess that's it, we did every country.
But the point is, I won!
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
Well, let's see.
What about a quiz where you name all the countries?
Can you do that?
Disputed areas, breakaway regions, I wonder what this is gonna be.
Transit.
Oh yeah, let's try this one.
Yeah, let's try this on for size.
You think I'm not gonna be able to get all the disputed territories either?
Huh?
You think I'm not gonna know?
You think I'm not gonna know shit?
Kazia... Oh, I don't... I'm not gonna be able to tell you the difference between these.
unidentified
Okay.
Kazi in South Ossetia that is.
Lucky yes.
Oh, I don't know this one, but I'm gonna guess it's Bougainville.
Who'd ever heard of Bougainville?
nick fuentes
I'm gonna guess it's, no, but that's gotta be Catalonia, right?
So what's Bougainville?
Is that Sudan?
Bougainville.
unidentified
Where the fuck is Bougainville?
nick fuentes
Is that Catalonia or is that Bougainville?
unidentified
Okay, that's Darfur.
nick fuentes
See, I knew that was going to be Catalonia.
unidentified
What's Bougainville then?
Okay, I guess it's over there.
All right, boom!
What up?
nick fuentes
I even know the countries that aren't countries.
unidentified
220 countries and territories?
nick fuentes
What's included in this one?
That's not, there's got, there's 30 additional countries.
That must be just with those disputed ones, right?
It's got Artsak, Aruba, this one, what else does it have?
Cayman Islands, it's got Cook Islands, it's got Curacao, which is Dutch, it's got, but it's in the Caribbean, it's got Guadalupe, what else?
French Polynesia.
unidentified
It's got... What else?
nick fuentes
New Caledonia.
Got that.
Alright, alright, alright.
Let's watch some real content.
Whoops, I spilled my coffee everywhere.
Because I slammed my cup on the desk.
New content.
Alright, let's do something else.
This is boring.
But look, I won.
Okay, so what do we want to watch?
Do we want to watch...
Okay.
Do we want to watch the Destiny debate with this guy?
Okay, so here are your options.
One for Tucker Carlson and Theo Vaughn.
Two for this shit.
And three for this.
Three for the Destiny Israel debate.
Four for GeoGuessr.
Four for GeoGuessr.
One for Tucker.
Two for Doyle.
Three for Destiny.
Four for GeoGuessr.
unidentified
Dude, what?
nick fuentes
Why do you need an account?
A lot of 4 people want to see GeoGuessr.
Why do I have to sign up?!
Bruh.
Alright, if I get rid of this, then can I sign in?
Okay, if I get rid of it, then I guess I can sign in.
unidentified
All right.
Bro.
How do I?
nick fuentes
This is irritating.
unidentified
This is irritating!
Fine.
nick fuentes
You guys can't see my password, can you?
unidentified
Two-step...
nick fuentes
Bro.
Alright, two-step verification.
Two-step verification to play GeoGuessr.
Get the fuck out of my face.
Yes.
unidentified
All right.
nick fuentes
Play a little GeoGuessr, then we'll watch something.
All right, then we'll watch.
unidentified
All right.
nick fuentes
All right, okay.
Little GeoGuessr, let's play.
I haven't played this in a long time, so I don't know all this stuff.
Let's start with medium.
Let's start with medium.
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
Let's see, we've got some mountains, we've got some desert, some power lines.
Could be South America, could be Asia.
I'm on a dirt road.
I need to see a sign or something.
let me see a sign this is not giving me a lot of clues here The roofs look like, could be South America, right?
Cause it's red, red roofs.
Uh oh, why is it give- why am I running out of time?
Five seconds?
No, you can't do this to me.
You can't do this to me!
Okay, well, that was- I didn't even see anything!
unidentified
Whatever.
nick fuentes
All right, here we go.
unidentified
Here we go.
nick fuentes
Ford, Nissan.
This has got to be... I don't know, though.
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
What can this be?
Where can this be?
Oh, here we go!
A sign!
Easy.
What language is this?
So it's Europe.
It's Europe somewhere, right?
But it's not Cyrillic.
What language is that?
Hot yoga?
This is maybe... Eastern Europe, maybe?
24 seconds?
I'm gonna say Eastern Europe.
unidentified
Uh, okay.
I don't know what that says.
nick fuentes
Okay, let's just go... Let's just put it right in the middle.
Okay, yep, and we got it.
Not too far.
unidentified
Okay, let's see.
nick fuentes
This is clearly America, right?
unidentified
It's gotta be because look at this house.
Let's see what that sign says, though.
nick fuentes
That's not an American sign.
Nope, this is not America.
Let's see what this sign says.
This is Poland.
Yup, this is Poland.
Right?
Let's see though, let's see if we can get even closer.
unidentified
What does that say?
I don't know if that's a... house.
What does that say?
nick fuentes
Okay, okay, okay.
unidentified
Boom.
nick fuentes
And we're right there!
unidentified
Yep.
nick fuentes
Yeah.
Knew it.
Knew it.
I've been there before.
No, I haven't actually.
Okay, this is America.
This is obviously America.
Gotta be.
Just because look at this.
Now look at this.
Construction.
Consultation.
No area code!
But this is America.
This is clearly like...
New Mexico, maybe?
Texas?
Let's see what this sign says.
Hillside?
Hillside what?
unidentified
No clues!
nick fuentes
Christian Church.
300 West 14th Street.
That could be anywhere!
Everywhere has that.
Everywhere has 14th Street.
unidentified
No!
No!
Alright, Texas.
nick fuentes
Texas somewhere, right?
unidentified
Yeah!
nick fuentes
Yup.
Yup.
Was I right or was I right?
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
Focus up.
Focus up.
unidentified
Nissan.
nick fuentes
Jeep.
unidentified
Ford?
nick fuentes
So maybe this is America.
I'm thinking America.
California.
Palm trees?
It's California.
It's somewhere in California.
This is... The mountains are there.
Where's the water?
unidentified
What's west?
nick fuentes
Where is west?
We know we're in Southern California for sure.
Yo, what street is this?
Is this the Valley?
What is this?
Camelback?
Never been there.
unidentified
Okay, let's just go down the street.
Let's see what we see.
nick fuentes
This is the Valley.
unidentified
Is it?
No, it's not the Valley.
nick fuentes
What does it say here?
Scottsdale!
Oh, it's Arizona.
unidentified
Idiots.
You fucking stupid ass.
Stupid.
nick fuentes
Well, they kind of helped me out because it sent it.
unidentified
Dude, what?
nick fuentes
Are you kidding me?
unidentified
We have to pay?
nick fuentes
This game's stupid.
unidentified
It sucks.
nick fuentes
Is there a free game?
You can only play for 5 minutes every 15 minutes?
That sucked.
Stupid ass game.
Two thumbs down.
Alright, we'll play again later.
Alright, so what do we want to watch now?
Okay, one for Tucker, two for shithead buttface, three for Destiny.
Now what do we want to watch while we wait for the cooldown?
One for Tucker, two for Doyle, two for doofus, doofin buttface, three for Destiny.
It's very diverse.
A lot of numbers here.
A lot of twos.
A lot of threes.
A lot of ones.
It's kind of hard to say.
unidentified
It's really all over the place.
nick fuentes
There's not a clear winner.
I don't really honestly want to watch any of this.
Okay, let's read this, then we'll watch one of those.
Honestly, all three of these make me want to kill myself.
Okay.
So there was a big, just before I went live, there was a big Media Matters hit piece came out about me today.
Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes celebrates viewership on Rumble ahead of the third GOP debate.
And by the way, I'll be covering the debate tonight.
So I think the debate is at 7 o'clock tonight.
So I will be streaming that in lieu of a show.
Instead of doing my show tonight out of coffee, no one's here.
I wish someone were here, I'd just say, hey, coffee.
Refill.
So what time is the debate?
Tell me, I think it's at 7, I don't know, but tell me when it is and that's when I'm gonna stream.
Alright, so let's read this.
Media matters, hit peace.
Holocaust denier.
You know, I have other views too.
Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes celebrates viewership on Rumble ahead of the platform stirred GOP debate, which I will be streaming tonight So come back here tonight And like seven or eight whatever the fuck this thing starts.
I'll be streaming it By Jack Wheatley, who's this?
Who are you?
Always from the Daily Beast So he's one of these... You go to Michigan State and then you do this?
What a loser.
Daily Beast.
Look at this chud.
Look at this complete and total chud.
Chudlet over here.
He doesn't look that bad.
He's just fat, obviously.
Fat soy boy.
Alright.
Anyway.
So that's the author.
We don't really know anything about him.
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
Put the music back on.
Put the music up.
um between oh brother here we go between someone says why is the sound low is Is it low?
unidentified
Bring the mic down.
nick fuentes
Turn your audio up.
Turn your headphones up.
Between vile anti-Semitic statements... Oh, is it... Hang on.
Do I have the right microphone?
Yeah, I do.
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
All right.
It says, between vile anti-Semitic statements...
White nationalist, influencer, and Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes has been celebrating his viewership on Rumble.
While Fuentes is a constant source of extreme hatred and bigotry, his comments are especially disturbing as incidents of anti-Semitism have increased around the world.
In addition to Rumble, NBC News will partner with the Republican Jewish Coalition to host the third GOP presidential debate.
unidentified
Nice.
nick fuentes
Fuentes streams live on Rumble multiple times per week, usually for well over an hour at a time.
Since the outbreak of violence in Israel and Gaza, he's been using the opportunity to double down on his anti-Semitic and white nationalist rhetoric.
It's not just the mass migration.
It's not just that the country is becoming non-white.
It's that the country is being held hostage by Jews!
He told his more than 40,000 followers on October 31st.
Halloween, by the way.
I don't want to spend another show talking about it, but I see it all the time.
I see it from the network with Costin Alomariu, the Bronze Age pervert, and his whole crew.
That's what they're into.
And that was a debate that I had with Alex Jones.
And, you know, he was pretty coy.
He was a little clever, I'll say.
Because he said, well, I don't... Okay, I don't want to watch that.
What's better than this?
What is better than this?
streamlabs matthew tts
Okay, I'm triggered by that.
unidentified
male sent $250.
streamlabs matthew tts
Hi, Nick.
unidentified
First started watching the show in 20-- - Okay, I'm triggered by that.
nick fuentes
I can't do super chats.
During the same stream, Fuenches noted that his audience size has grown and is now perhaps even greater than it was on YouTube.
I really should stop boasting about this.
I go on Rumble and I'm like, isn't it great that I get to spread my message to everyone on Rumble?
And they're like... Anyway.
A week prior, Fuentes claimed that those who have lost their jobs for supporting Palestine proved the validity of his attacks against Jewish people and summarized his anti-Semitic views.
Why do the Zionist Jews have so much power in Western countries?
I guess that means Nick Fuentes was right, and it isn't Klaus Schwab, it's the Zionists, it's the Jews, it's organized Jewry.
unidentified
How is that hateful, by the way?
nick fuentes
He continued warning against what he described as a lot of Jews that are sneaking into the dissonant conversation because they want to control all opposition and argued that Jewish people are co-opting racism to be used against Palestinians, but he claimed we're more anti-Semitic than we're racist.
Having previously served as an advisor to rapper Ye's 2024 presidential campaign, he complained they did the same thing last year with Ye when Ye was out there saying, I love Hitler, Jews control the media.
Fuentes continued claiming based right-wing Jews attacked the rapper and had questioned, since when do we start supporting black guys?
He quickly followed up when they started saying they love Hitler about right then.
Despite his extensive use of the site, Fuentes has a strained relationship with Rumble.
By the way, am I on the front page or what?
streaming to the platform and restricted to uploading replays or previously uploaded or rather previously recorded content after having some of his videos removed from the site for violating the platform's policies as recently as August 8th went to resume streaming to rumble and he has celebrated his popularity on the site by the way am I on the front page or what if I'm not on the front page I swear I'm gonna be I'm not a happy camper I Hey!
I'm on the front page!
And let's go!
Look at that!
Info Wars, 10k.
Nicholas J. Fuentes, 6k.
Right side, 5.9.
Newsmax, 4.2.
And we're back!
Number two!
unidentified
Ooh!
nick fuentes
And I like this!
And I like this thumbnail!
Who made this thumbnail?
I like that!
Oh, and I like that.
That's hot.
unidentified
That's a hot... That's a hot little, uh, thumbnail there.
But it's also scary because some of the points are far worse than we even... ...the blood up off the floor.
dr judy mikovits
No, that's not, that's just... What is this?
unidentified
Who is this?
nick fuentes
Is she hosting?
unidentified
...jam-packed Marsha's bus... ...from time to time...
Who's this lady?
nick fuentes
Who's this lady?
alex jones
Pastors who speak as if Christ will only hear the news.
And they admit the fine print.
They've never created a flu shot.
nick fuentes
That's a real American patriot.
alex jones
Love her.
that even predicted the strain, and then they admit in studies it lowers your immunity to the next flu, so it's literally a fraud.
It's, they admit the flu shots never work. - Correct, you're winning.
dr judy mikovits
Well, what I say in our last book is gonna be called God Wins, I guess it should be called God Won, but God Wins.
nick fuentes
- Love her, love her energy.
All right, let's go and... - I guess it should be called God Won.
Okay.
Alright.
So I am on the front page.
Alright, well that's a pretty tame hit piece, I guess.
Dude, I look so cute here.
How do I look so fucking cute in this thumbnail here?
Look at that.
How can anyone hate this guy?
Look at my light eyes.
Look at my sunny disposition.
Looking good.
Maybe I gotta get rid of the mustache.
I look better without it.
What do you think?
Everyone says the mustache is gay.
Do you think it's gay?
unidentified
What do you think?
nick fuentes
I'm not looking today as good as I look in this one.
Maybe the mustache has to go.
It's not fully grown in yet though.
I feel like I'm kind of quitting before it's really there though.
What do you think?
One for keep it, two for get rid of it.
One for keep the mustache, two for get rid of the mustache.
What do you vote?
Don't tell me it's gay.
One for keep it, two for get rid of it.
I will not, I don't care what you say.
I just want to know what you think.
One for keep, two for remove.
Mostly ones.
People, but it's mixed.
But mostly ones.
Okay.
Alright, alright.
Maybe I'll keep it.
Maybe I'll keep it for a little while.
More coffee.
Alright, so that's that.
Now let's watch something else.
Now let's watch something like this.
Okay, so... Can I just tell you, like...
This drives me crazy.
I don't know if you saw, but... And how many views does the season... Wow!
56,000 views.
Yikes!
Yikes!
Is that real?
56,000 views?
Uh-oh!
Uh-oh, that's not a lot of views.
This video's been up for a week.
56,000 views?
You have a 350,000 subscriber YouTube channel.
350,000 subscribers!
You're on YouTube!
You got 56,000 views on your quarterly upload?
Oh my.
Not good.
Those are not very good numbers, but I was about to say it makes me lose my mind that this guy There has been a war going on in Gaza for a month.
And it's not just any war.
This is a war that is alienating Israel from the entire world.
And specifically in the West, in Europe and in the United States.
And this is maybe the first time where because of Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter, which is now called X, The Zionists are losing the narrative war on social media, and even many American conservatives are questioning the Zionist narrative and the Zionist position, and even, perhaps, the Zionist influence over the United States government.
and over American society broadly.
So we're living through a world historical moment right now.
It doesn't just concern the land in Gaza.
This is not just about the sovereignty over the Gaza Strip.
It's not just about the Al-Aqsa flood.
What's going on is that—and by the way, I've been saying this on my show since it started— This is chapter two after the Ukraine war of America's fall as a global hegemon.
So this is a really big deal.
That's what I'm getting at here.
This is a really big deal.
It's not just Israel's most significant offensive in Gaza, perhaps ever.
And it's not just a moment where Saudi Arabia and Iran are being pushed back together after I don't know how long.
It's been seven years since they ended formal ties.
And it's not just about the fact that the whole world is calling for a ceasefire and that the American conservatives are challenging the Zionist narrative, but it's also about The changing global balance of power.
The continuing story of multipolarity.
Which is this idea that the way things have been for 30 years is that America has had a hyperpower status.
Not even a superpower, but a hyperpower.
Because the power of the United States relative to the next most powerful country had never been greater.
And the power of the United States relative to the rest of the world put together had never been greater.
So America enjoyed an uncontested Superpower, hyperpower status, and really was the only pole of power in the world.
No other country on Earth was even capable of projecting power on a global scale.
No other country had the means, economically or militarily, or even some would say culturally, to project force intercontinentally.
Europe couldn't do it because they had still been devastated from World War II and under the sovereignty of the United States since the Cold War.
Russia couldn't do it because of the collapse of the Soviet Union.
China couldn't do it because of their economic weakness.
And the rest of the country is a third world.
Disorganized.
A lot of them without any significant industrialization yet.
And so in the 90s, 2000s, no other country could even project power, even if they wanted to, outside their borders, really.
Not even Europe, not even the rest of them.
And the story since the Ukraine war is that that has now completely changed.
You know, there were significant developments in this century that have changed that balance.
Vladimir Putin's elected.
Well, he becomes president in 99.
I think he's elected in, what, 99 or 2000?
And Putin oversees the revitalization of the Russian Federation.
He's able to secure Chechnya, he builds their economy back, he's able to project power in the Syrian civil war, in the war in Georgia in 2008, seizes Crimea in 2014.
China, of course, has an economic miracle and becomes the second largest economy in the world and begins building a military, and also these other countries start to assert themselves.
Saudi Arabia, France, etc.
And so now you have this new dynamic after the Ukraine war where it seems like this ad hoc coalition of states like Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, they've come together and they're successfully resisting American power. they've come together and they're successfully resisting American power.
They are now operating on a basis where they can project force outside their borders.
They can challenge the United States.
They can resist American power and American demands, American economic and military might.
Okay.
And so anyway, so I'm getting sidetracked here, but the point is is like this is a world historical development.
This is a seminal development in the history of the world.
This decade, the 2020s, with the Americans leaving Afghanistan, Russia invading Ukraine, and now this debacle in Israel and Palestine, This is like the Russo-Japanese War of 1904.
This is like, this is a major, or rather 1905, this is a major, major incident in the transition Of the world hegemon.
And it's not even that necessarily China is replacing the United States, but it is true that China and these weaker, smaller countries, when they come together as a posse, as a coalition, and posse is really the right word for it, they can assert an independent, autonomous will.
That's what matters here.
That's what we're seeing.
And so this is a really big deal.
Everything is changing.
Everything is moving right now.
Everything is changing.
And this has been going on now for the last month, and this guy is a conservative commentator, and he's not talking about it.
Doesn't say anything about it.
Doesn't say anything about it on Twitter.
Doesn't make a YouTube video.
And not only does he not make a YouTube video about it, But he waits for this entire thing to go on for a month and then he releases a video about Halloween movies.
Oh, is my stream down?
unidentified
No, I'm still up.
nick fuentes
So, and I used to feud with him a year ago.
I mean, this guy's not, like, relevant, obviously.
Nobody cares what he has to say.
He's not in the conversation.
Nobody is, like... Like, for example, the other day there was an article... I don't know if I have it handy.
But there was an article the other day, and it was, like, talking about all the different conservative positions on What's going on in Gaza?
And it said, this is what Trump is saying.
This is what Tucker is saying.
This is what Nick Fuentes is saying.
And I'm on MSNBC.
I'm being mentioned.
I'm being mentioned on CNN.
I'm debating Alex Jones about it.
People are quoting me and saying, even Nick Fuentes has the right opinion.
You know, I'm on these big Twitter spaces and it's like, So this guy's not even, he's not talking about it, and his name isn't in the conversation.
So he's totally irrelevant, but it just, it blows me away that people can think that they're doing something and you don't talk about, ban the ADL, you don't talk about the Gaza War.
I mean, because really it's been like, it's really been a whole year of developments pertaining to this issue, right?
Maybe go back to Yea 24, which was almost, we're approaching almost a year to the day.
So Ye goes out there in October 2022 and says Jews invented cancel culture and I'm going Defcon 3 and they run the music industry and this begins like a whole year of this I go into the red pill community and I'd like red pill the red pill community I go on Fresh and Fit and I go on Pearl and I'm with Sneeko and do these other shows then Keith Woods gets Ban the ADL trending worldwide, and there's a discussion about that.
Then Israel attacks Gaza, and there's protests, and again, there's this political awakening in the United States within the American right.
And for the whole year, what does this guy have to say about any of it?
What was his commentary on Kanye?
What was his commentary on Fresh and Fit?
What was his commentary on Ban the ADL?
It's not here!
This is what he's made.
He made five videos totaling four and a half hours.
Four and a half hours of content in one year.
A Women's March video.
I went to the Women's March and I debated feminists.
That was eight months ago.
He did a video about the Trump arrest.
He did a video where he did a change my mind and said America's not racist.
Groundbreaking content in 2023 by the way.
You want to go to an HBCU and say America's not racist in 2015?
Okay.
That's edgy.
Eight years later we're still doing that?
Eight years later?
Uh-oh.
Feminists and people that think America's racist.
For real?
He did a video about the Trump picture and then this.
So a whole year of red pills.
A whole year of red pills about Jews running the media and Kanye getting canceled and the ADL being attacked on Twitter and people waking up about Jews controlling censorship.
This thing in Gaza and this is what we get.
I'll watch like 10 minutes of this and then we're not gonna watch anymore because I just can't.
I can't even.
john doyle
I know what you're thinking.
All these things going on in the world right now.
World War 3.
Mass acts of violence.
Certainly all these things can't just be happening right now, coincidentally.
nick fuentes
All right, so let's watch a little bit of this.
I'm not going to watch all of this.
john doyle
I know what you're thinking.
unidentified
But I just want to watch some of it.
nick fuentes
And the reason I want to watch it is because people really put this guy in the same category as me.
This guy was supposed to replace me.
You know, like a year ago, two years ago, this guy was being elevated on the Blaze and on YouTube as like the counter to Nick Fuentes.
No, I like Doyle because he's like, you know, he's not a cringe incel and he's not whatever, like, he's a normal, he's having a normal one.
And here we are all these years later.
This is this is the content we get.
unidentified
OK.
nick fuentes
So I'm going to lower the volume here.
People are saying, oh, the mic's too quiet.
OK, so we'll lower the volume.
Watch a little bit of this.
john doyle
I know what you're thinking.
All these things going on in the world right now.
World War III.
Mass acts of violence.
Certainly all these things can't just be happening right now, coincidentally.
And you're right.
But, honestly, it's really just more of the same.
You know, people pick up on it at different times.
But, really, it's been going on for a while now.
Maybe it's accelerated recently.
But, I mean, think about it.
Why do you think they've corrupted and destroyed the influence of the church?
nick fuentes
So that our women... Okay, what?
This guy... This guy sucks so hard.
I can't even, man.
And by the way, whatever happened to him on The Blaze?
Wasn't he supposed to have a Blaze show?
Do you remember that?
He told me, because I used to be friends with this guy before he attacked me, he told me that when he got interviewed to go on The Blaze, they asked him about Israel and he lied and said, oh I support Israel or whatever.
Like the head of the blaze flew him out to North Carolina or something, and they were asking him questions, kind of trying to suss out if he's a griper, and he told me, oh, and then they asked me about Israel, and I, you know, I said, well, I'm America first.
And, you know, but I'm not against Israel, and blah blah blah.
So, in other words, he sucked dick to get on Blaze.
He basically played with the balls and he sucked dick to get on the Blaze and said, hey, I'm a total shill, like, yeah, I'm gonna lay down, I'm not going to oppose Israel.
And he was supposed to get a TV show, whatever happened.
He doesn't have a show on the Blaze.
I don't ever see him in clips.
He doesn't make videos for his YouTube channel.
They say he's a writer.
He's a writer for the Blaze now.
Now, It's like you could make videos and be a propagandist and you can move the needle on things like Keith or me or Lucas Gage or Elijah or whoever.
Or you could go and write.
For who?
Glenn Beck?
And what I'm getting at is this guy sucks as a writer.
Like, where's the intro?
Where's the introduction?
We're 20 seconds in and he's like, the declining influence of the church, where's the introduction?
This is just bad writing.
john doyle
I know what you're thinking.
All these things going on in the world right now.
World War III.
Mass acts of violence.
Certainly all these things can't just be happening right now, coincidentally.
And you're right.
nick fuentes
So that's the intro.
That's like the hook.
You know, he sets it up sort of like as a joke to subvert your expectations.
He says, I know what you're thinking.
And this is a classic setup as a joke that subverts your expectations.
I know what you're thinking, blah, blah, blah.
Here's something that you actually weren't thinking about.
So that's the hook.
I know what you're thinking.
There's all this crazy stuff going on.
Now, this is where it falls apart and it just goes in a totally different direction.
Bad writing.
john doyle
I know what you're thinking.
All these things going on in the world right now.
World War III.
Mass acts of violence.
Certainly all these things can't just be happening right now, coincidentally.
And you're right.
But, honestly, it's really just more of the same.
You know, people pick up on it at different times.
But, really, it's been going on for a while now.
Maybe it's accelerated recently.
But, I mean, think about it.
Why do you think they've corrupted and destroyed the influence of the church?
nick fuentes
So that our women... See, this is like... You've lost me.
You already lost me.
I know what you're thinking.
World War 3, mass acts of violence, surely it can't all be a coincidence.
Now, that's when you go and you deliver the punchline.
And say, what's the funny coincidence, Johnny?
That's what his mom calls him.
Well, what's the funny coincidence?
You know, what's the coincidence that subverts our expectations?
The thing that we weren't actually all thinking.
But then he goes into, but maybe it's been going on a long time, and maybe it's been escalating, but they... Who's they?
What are you talking about?
john doyle
What has?
What's been going on?
What's accelerated?
unidentified
Who's they?
nick fuentes
The church?
john doyle
Halloween?
nick fuentes
Women attending Halloween?
john doyle
What?
So anyway, we're gonna go through it.
I'm not gonna, I'm gonna shut up for a sec, but like... You're like 25 seconds in, you lost me.
Just like bad writing.
So that our women attend these Halloween parties dressed like prostitutes.
nick fuentes
Halloween?
Women attending Halloween?
What?
john doyle
Men of upstanding...
nick fuentes
So anyway, we're going to go through it.
I'm not going to...
I'm going to shut up for a sec.
But like...
You're like 25 seconds in, you lost me.
Just like bad writing.
I feel like me, I can ramble too much.
And like when I write, the biggest challenge that I have is I don't know where to stop zooming out.
Like, a minute ago, when I was talking about Gaza, I'm just, like, zooming out and zooming out and going into, like, when America was a hyperpower, you know?
But this is bad writing, man.
Where's the...
You know, you gotta lead us along.
You gotta take us somewhere.
This is just all over the place.
We're 25 seconds in.
unidentified
This guy looks like a freaking goof.
nick fuentes
And...
I don't even know what he's trying to say.
I'm totally, my eyes have glazed over.
john doyle
I'm lost.
unidentified
We'll have no interest in attending them.
Swallows.
john doyle
Or otherwise, nobody goes at all because they're just going to get shot up because they've strategically installed these district attorneys who will simply release criminals from prison or just refuse to prosecute them in the first place.
Why do you think they've propagandized our society?
nick fuentes
Swallows.
Noticeably and audibly stops talking and turns to the side to swallow.
john doyle
Fuse to prosecute them in the first place.
nick fuentes
Just edit.
Just edit that out.
Just edit that out.
john doyle
Why do you think that?
nick fuentes
Just edit that part out.
I'm live.
Sometimes I have to do that because I'm live.
unidentified
But how do you... you make a... you pre-record.
nick fuentes
You record a YouTube video and within 30 seconds you have to like stop and swallow.
You don't cut that out.
You don't do... you don't retake that.
john doyle
You used to prosecute them in the first place.
Why do you think they've propagandized our society into embracing political correctness and cancel culture?
That you can't dress up as anything funny anymore?
nick fuentes
I need you to remember... See, we're 45 seconds in and we're just all over the map.
World War III, funny coincidence, girls dress like sluts, the influence of the church, Halloween parties get shot up, left-wing district attorneys, We're all lost.
We're lost.
We're all over the place.
john doyle
These people are trying to start World War III to distract you from carving pumpkins because then all the evil spirits would be scared away and the bad guys would lose.
Few understand this, but we understand this.
The war on Halloween is real, folks, and it's right here.
It's right in front of us, but it's okay.
I will not let you down.
The spirit of Robert E. Lee appeared to me in a vision after he was released from the statue before ascending into heaven.
He told me the absolute best thing I can do right now to fight the bad guys ...is to autistically overanalyze Halloween movies in accordance with my worldview.
And if I do this, I'm granted amnesty for my Yankee heritage.
Don't have to tell me twice.
Yes, sir, General Lee.
I'll take it from here.
But it is true, the entire genre of Halloween movies... Oh, bro.
It's worse.
It's worse than I thought.
unidentified
It's worse!
john doyle
This is worse.
unidentified
This is worse than I thought.
What?
nick fuentes
Was that supposed to be a joke?
john doyle
Why are you laughing?
What's the joke?
from carving pumpkins because then all the- - - More.
I need you to remember, these people are trying to start World War III to distract you from carving pumpkins because then all the evil spirits would be scared away and the bad guys would lose.
Few- - Who understand this, but we understand this.
The war on Halloween is real, folks, and it's right here.
It's right in front of us, but it's okay.
I will not let you down. - Why are you laughing?
nick fuentes
What's the joke?
What's the punchline?
Well, where's the funny?
john doyle
Where's the funny?
unidentified
You're laughing, but where's the funny?
nick fuentes
And this joke about, uh, pumpkin... Well, the world... There's two jokes in here.
Joke number one is they started World War III to distract you from carving pumpkins.
Let it land!
Let it land!
Let that, let the joke land!
And then the other joke, there's actually three jokes.
See, the second joke is if we, uh, and if we did carve the pumpkins, then it would chase away the bad guys and we would win.
So that's joke number two.
What is the joke?
Joke number one is that World War 3 is obviously not being started to distract from pumpkins.
It's satirizing people and saying, you know, X is a distraction from the Biden laptop or whatever.
Joke number two...
The joke is that our political victory will result from the supernatural power of pumpkins.
Joke number three is the war on Halloween, like the war on Christmas, etc.
So it's three jokes here.
None of them are really good.
War on Halloween, okay.
It's a distraction from carving pumpkins.
And if we carve the pumpkins and they would scare them, we would win!
None of this is funny.
You have to edit.
You have to learn how to edit.
Well, first you have to learn to be funny.
Then you have to learn how to edit and get rid of the shit that isn't funny.
And let it land.
He's laughing.
It's not funny.
No, it's not funny.
You're laughing, but you're the only one laughing.
It's an inside joke, and the joke is...
You suck.
unidentified
This is just bad.
john doyle
to distract you from carving pumpkins, because then all the evil spirits would be scared away and the bad guys would lose.
Few understand this, but we understand this.
The war on Halloween is real, folks, and it's right here, it's right in front of us, but it's okay, I will not let you down.
The spirit of Robert E. Lee appeared to me in a vision after he was released from the statue before ascending into heaven. - This is just bad, this is just bad.
nick fuentes
This is just bad writing.
Whenever you have to create these...
Like, very intricate, imaginary scenarios that go on and on like this.
This is just very juvenile.
Very, very low level.
Like, low IQ.
Very low order of comedy.
This is like an 8 year old that says, and then what if?
What if like it was a giraffe?
You know, it's like, and then, and then, and then, what if this?
What if that?
Like, it's very low order.
Comedy.
Well, what if something silly happens?
Sort of like, what if something silly happened?
What if a very elaborate, silly thing happens?
Very low order.
Low IQ humor.
It's fucking dog shit.
This content's dog shit, dude.
We're one minute in and I want to just...
Not watch the second part.
I want to not watch it.
john doyle
Here, it's right in front of us, but it's okay.
I will not let you down.
The spirit of Robert E. Lee appeared to me in a vision after he was released from the statue before sending into heaven.
He told me the absolute best thing I can do right now to fight the bad guys is to autistically overanalyze Halloween movies in accordance with my worldview.
And if I do...
nick fuentes
The ghost of Robert E. Lee told me to autistically overanalyze Halloween movies.
Shut the fuck up!
unidentified
SHUT UP!
john doyle
SHUT UP, DUDE!
nick fuentes
THIS CONTENT SUCKS!
That was maybe, that was a little, maybe that wasn't called for.
Maybe that level of anger wasn't called for, but... That's crazy, dude!
That's crazy!
john doyle
How do you- How do you publish this?
This is terrible.
Terrible!
How do you publish that?
The spirit of Robert E. Lee appeared to me in a vision after he was released from the statue before sending into heaven.
He told me the absolute best thing I can do right now to fight the bad guys is to autistically overanalyze Halloween movies in accordance with my worldview.
And if I do this, I'm granted amnesty for my Yankee heritage.
Don't have to tell me twice.
Yes, sir, General Lee.
I'll take it from here.
But it is true.
The entire genre.
unidentified
Gosh.
nick fuentes
Crap.
This is crap, dude.
I can't even watch- I can't watch anymore, dude.
We're a minute and a half in.
I'm losing it.
I'm lo- I'm go- It's making me- This is driving me crazy.
Absolutely crazy.
john doyle
...of Halloween movies, horror movies.
nick fuentes
It does tend to be one of the more explicitly- ...over-analyzed Halloween movies.
john doyle
After he was released from the statue before ascending into heaven, he told me the absolute best thing I can do right now to fight the bad guys is to autistically... Robert E. Lee Spirit left the statue and he appeared to me in a vision and he said the best thing that I can do to beat the bad guys?
nick fuentes
Autistically overanalyze Halloween movies.
It's like, dude, just shut the fuck up.
Just shut up.
Get the fuck out of here.
Get the fuck out of here, dude.
I don't know how you put this out.
How do you put this out and think this is good?
How do you, like, record this, edit this, and say, I know what they're gonna, they're gonna eat this up.
They are gonna eat this up.
unidentified
Oh my gosh, dude.
nick fuentes
Ain't telling me the best thing I could do?
Autistically overanalyze Halloween movies.
It's like Theater Kid.
Bro is a, that's what it is.
You know, and He talks about theater kids.
He is one, dude.
unidentified
dude.
nick fuentes
That's like theater kid humor.
The best thing I could do A beat.
Notistically overanalyzed Halloween movies.
Let's get started.
Literally, don't ever make a video again.
You're retired.
I retired you.
I retired you today, dude.
unidentified
Alright.
nick fuentes
Let's keep going, though.
Autistically overanalyzed Halloween movies.
How do people watch this shit?
How do you like this guy?
I'm gonna autistically overanalyze.
I love autistically overanalyzing Halloween movies.
Kind of like a quirky thing I do.
Slide into Savannah Hernandez's DMs.
Hey hey, m'lady.
Hey, m'lady.
Hey, m'lady.
Was wondering if you'd like to join me in a screening of Halloween movies, afterwards we could autistically analyze them, according to my right-wing political worldview.
What do you think?
I'm being ironic, by the way.
And I'm being self-aware.
unidentified
Freaking.
Okay, all right.
nick fuentes
Let's dive in, though.
I Autistically overanalyze.
I'm going to autistically overanalyze.
You're not going to overanalyze anything because you can't analyze anything because you're dumb.
You're not going to overanalyze.
You know, people think that if you just do a like a close reading of something, I'm autistically overanalyzed.
You're like, you're not, that's not autistically overanalyzing.
You're doing a close reading.
You're doing, that's called analysis.
That's called analysis.
That's called engaging with art critically.
We're autistically overanalyzing.
You're not, it's not, but you're not autistic though.
You're just a dork.
unidentified
All right.
nick fuentes
Trash, dude.
Trash.
john doyle
Oh, John!
you before sending into heaven he told me the absolute best thing i can do right now to fight the bad guys is to autistically overanalyze halloween movies in accordance with my worldview and if i do oh john you're so quirky me i'm a stupid idiot I just watch Halloween movies.
nick fuentes
John Doyle with a million IQ.
He's watching there and autistically overanalyzing them according to his conservative worldview.
He's watching it and he's thinking about, huh?
How is this like... How is this like Russell Kirk?
What a dude.
Bro, is he a computer?
Whoa, he in English.
In English, Poindexter.
Something that my, uh, doofus mind can comprehend.
john doyle
I'm granted amnesty for my Yankee heritage.
Don't have to tell me twice.
Yes, sir, General- I just can't.
nick fuentes
I can't.
john doyle
I can't even.
I'll take it from here.
But it is true, the entire genre of Halloween movies, horror movies, it does tend to be one of the more explicitly right-wing genres of media.
Swallows before proceeding.
Pause to swallow.
nick fuentes
Make sure you pause to swallow every 30 seconds.
We're 90 seconds in.
john doyle
And it is important to have a trained eye with popular culture because, as I'm sure you'll be one of the more explicitly right-wing genres of media.
nick fuentes
Pause to swallow.
Make sure you pause to swallow every 30 seconds.
We're 90 seconds in.
That's two swallows.
I'm going to swallow right now.
Make sure to pause to swallow every 90 seconds on your pre-recorded video.
john doyle
It is important to have a trained eye with popular culture because, as I'm sure you know, something like 80% of everything that comes out of the average person's mouth is in reference to pop culture, the latest thing, etc.
Also, the most effective medium of disseminating information that's actually going to be retained by people is and always has been storytelling.
And so there is actually some utility in these sorts of discussions.
And some of them, yeah, are less serious.
But some of them do actually contain some pretty important points about the changing cultural and political landscape of our society, especially throughout the last several decades.
nick fuentes
So some of them are going to be silly, me watching this.
unidentified
Haha.
nick fuentes
Some of them are gonna be more serious, me.
I'm such a... I was made to do this because I'm just a misanthropic... It's like I'm a miserab.
Me watching this?
Oh, some of them are gonna be light-hearted.
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
Some of them are gonna be more serious.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
john doyle
And it is important to have a trained eye with popular culture because, as I'm sure you know, something like 80 percent of everything that comes out of the average person's mouth is in reference to pop culture, the latest thing, et cetera.
Also, the most effective medium of disseminating information that's actually going to be retained by people is and always has been storytelling.
And so there is actually some utility in these sorts of discussions.
And some of them, yeah, are less serious, but some of them do actually contain some pretty important points about the changing cultural and political landscape of our society, especially throughout the last several decades.
nick fuentes
The cultural and political landscape of our society?
This is way over my head.
john doyle
This is way over my head.
nick fuentes
Whoa, this is getting autistic.
Me not autistic.
This is way over my head.
unidentified
You got any sports?
nick fuentes
You got any sports jerseys?
unidentified
This is way over my head.
nick fuentes
The change in cultural and political landscape.
Storytelling is...
As a medium to disseminate a message?
This is way over my head.
In English, please!
john doyle
So, there are some important themes and motifs that we should cover, but honestly, that's all more or less a rationalization.
We're doing it because it's fun, and I want to, so... Ha!
nick fuentes
Good old John!
Good old John!
It's cause he want you... Oh, John, you're so quirky!
Dude, you're so quirky!
You're so quirky.
You're rationalizing how you just want to autistically analyze movies.
Oh, John, you're so smart and quirky.
I fucking love you, dude.
john doyle
I will provide to you the correct analyses of these films for your Halloween mirth, merriments, and otherwise general enjoyments, and we will all be better off for it, except George Soros.
He will literally tickle himself in a panic if you watch this video all the way through, because we will go over...
nick fuentes
Dude, I just can't.
john doyle
Whether the horror genre is left-wing or right-wing, some brief themes of each, why it's significant, how those themes have changed throughout America's cultural landscape throughout the decades.
nick fuentes
Swallows again.
john doyle
Use to both subvert and affirm our traditional standards, why so many leftists love it and want to claim it, whether it's even possible to make good left-wing horror.
And then, of course, our tremendous list, which will continue and expand upon these discussions.
So do stay tuned.
unidentified
And then we're treated to this.
John Doyle in.
Check off, Kami.
nick fuentes
We're just, we can't even.
We can't- We would be here all day.
We just can't.
john doyle
Let's just pretend that never happened. - Hello there ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Heck Off Commie.
You know, I can't just start the list, right?
I have things to say first.
But do you like my Halloween costume?
I'm going as guy who has the correct take on literally every movie ever and who likes pumpkins.
Okay, here's the thing.
I get it we're all excited here.
I have to lay down some ground rules first.
First of all, I get messages now all the time from people who are just memeing it too hard.
Oh, John, is this inherently right-wing?
What about this?
Is this implicitly right-wing?
Inherently?
Stop it.
You're being disordered.
It's too entropic.
You're flying too close to the sun.
Like a liberal.
unidentified
I did not come out and declare that Oh my goodness, dude.
nick fuentes
I'm not gonna make it through this.
We're not gonna watch this for an hour.
john doyle
Beauty and the Beast was implicitly right-wing because it was funny.
I did it because it was sexist and vaguely anti-LGBT depending upon your position on the Beast furry question.
unidentified
The point is, things actually... Oh my gosh.
Oh, brother.
The Beast is a furry?
nick fuentes
Bro is just, like, farting out of his mouth.
john doyle
...have to be right-wing.
Otherwise, you're just being stupid and subjective.
That's left-wing.
Now, that being said, there are some honorable mentions.
Sure, this is not a definitive list.
This is just five things that immediately came to mind.
I'm also not commanding you to go watch these movies, necessarily.
Some of them are pretty rough, and I, of course, disavow all violence, et cetera, et cetera.
Look, I'm just a film critic.
I'm just a guy who likes ideas.
And speaking of ideas, I will be debating key Gamergate figure Brianna Wu on November 6th at the University of South Carolina.
nick fuentes
already let's watch that where's that where's the stream of that John Doyle Brianna did that already happen oh that let's watch this I didn't know this happened already where's the full thing
unidentified
we're here at the Russell house ballroom tonight where we are watching the John Doyle versus Brianna Wu debate and And he wishes to bring the conversation.
Something that's not in the conversation radar, but something that everybody.
On men's social relations and self-esteem.
And so these young men end up developing symptoms of anxiety, depression, just this general feeling of brain cloud or low ambition, which is all symptomatic of having fried out dopamine receptors.
Honestly, draining your life force as a man, which is that sort of instinct to want to reproduce into just nothing.
Rihanna Wu, a progressive feminist, argues that a nationwide pornography ban would be an intrusion on the First Amendment.
nick fuentes
Okay, but where's the debate?
I guess that there's no...
unidentified
How does she have the video?
john doyle
She have the link?
Someone give me the link.
unidentified
One of the things that she's saying is actually addressing.
nick fuentes
How does she have the video?
unidentified
She has the link.
john doyle
Someone give me the link.
nick fuentes
Someone give me the link on this.
In the meantime, we'll watch this.
john doyle
This is not a definitive list.
This is just five things that immediately came to mind.
I'm also not commanding you to go watch these movies necessarily.
Some of them are pretty rough.
And I, of course, disavow all violence, etc., etc.
Look, I'm just a film critic.
I'm just a guy who likes ideas.
Speaking of honorable mentions, that reminds me of another thing.
The things we discuss have to be central to the plot.
Like Friday the 13th, for example, after I tweeted my review of the Super Mario Bros.
movie in Scream 6, I had a guy ask if I endorsed Jason Voorhees as an example of vigilante Christian justice.
So I thought about it.
Is he one of our guys?
Okay, well, he doesn't talk, that's probably autism, punishes sinners, he's got mommy issues, he's an arch nemesis, preys upon children.
Like, okay, yeah, I'm thinking this is our guy.
Or even something like the original Black Christmas from 1974, which John Carpenter took a lot of inspiration from for Halloween, particularly in the cinematography.
That movie, of course, sparking the popularity of slasher films.
You could argue that's all thanks to Black Christmas.
Maybe Texas Chainsaw Massacre, too.
But anyways, the guy in Black Christmas is basically like an autistic incel.
Which, if you haven't seen that movie, you should definitely check it out.
It's genuinely unsettling.
But, like, what kind of message does that send, you know?
Like, yeah, can the character be literally me?
Yeah.
It doesn't necessarily make it a right-wing Halloween movie.
You know, we have to play by the rules.
Also, I have to be responsible with my messaging, okay?
It hurts the movement if I come out and say, top five right-wing Halloween movies, and then the reason for each one is that the guy's an autistic incel, okay?
That makes us look bad.
I can't be doing that.
President Trump needs me to not do that.
It's reckless.
It's irresponsible.
We are cool and well-adjusted guys, actually.
But, yeah, the themes in the story are important.
It can't be something too obvious, something explicit, obviously.
Like, it can't just be, Oh, you know, the exorcist.
Demons are real.
Hereditary.
Women are crazy.
Also, demons are real.
Like, it has to be implicit.
And it can't be something like They Live, where the messaging is very obvious, and people will say, okay, well, where do you draw the line, then?
I don't know.
Guess we'll find out.
nick fuentes
Because some people will say the mess- This is so tedious.
And just why?
You know, my question is why?
Why are we doing this?
john doyle
Messaging in a movie like Invasion of the Body Snatchers is really obvious with the whole take of... Well, it's about McCarthyism and McCarthyism is so crazy and silly.
It's like, bro, that's what happened.
They were right.
And people say that's a good example.
nick fuentes
Are these red pills?
Is this red?
john doyle
Men don't talk.
unidentified
That's autism.
Women are crazy.
Demons are real.
No, McCarthy.
nick fuentes
Yeah, They Live was about McCarthyism.
Yeah, They Live was about Joseph McCarthy, not about Jews.
unidentified
Not about Jews.
nick fuentes
Like, what?
unidentified
Yeah, They Live is about Joseph McCarthy, which, right?
nick fuentes
I remember when that was a red pill in 2014.
I think that was a red pill in 2013.
john doyle
Why then?
guess we'll find out because some people will say the messaging in a movie like invasion of the body snatchers is really obvious with the whole take of well it's about mccarthyism and mccarthyism is so crazy oh he said about invasion of the body snatchers right and people say that's a good example of left-wing horror which i think is absurd because that entire genre like science fiction movies that deal with things of that nature those are all very right-wing because the essential conflicts in a lot of these movies are about us versus them fears of subversion by foreign populations loss of identity etc etc
and so they'll take that and be like well given the cultural context at the time it's actually left-wing and it's like okay you know this is a recurring theme with these people because i honestly don't know if it's possible to really make left-wing horror like it's been done before which we'll discuss a pretty good example of in a minute but you It's very difficult.
Most people who try to do this just fail because you look at anything that claims to be left-wing horror and it's gonna be like some 20th century critique of consumerism and it's like, yeah, same.
Who says we like consumerism?
But in criticizing consumerism, of course, they really mean to criticize capitalism.
nick fuentes
This is just yappersville.
Bro's a fucking yapper.
He says nothing.
He says nothing.
john doyle
Capitalism.
Because obviously leftists are not anti-consumerism.
Leftists are actually the, let people enjoy things crowd.
So it's not that, it's just that they're class insecure and they're projecting that outwards onto the world.
Because nobody serious on the right is against criticizing capitalism.
But it's very difficult for leftists to properly critique capitalism because their motives for doing so are not disinterested.
Because they're driven by resentment.
And so they'll highlight consumerism or they'll highlight material inequality.
Both of which are to basically say, I'm mad that I don't get to buy things that other people get to buy.
Which is affirmed clearly by the fact that every time one of these people finds a way to make a living being resentful about inequality, they always keep it for themselves and just go buck wild.
unidentified
Which I don't care about, like, you know, do what you're gonna do, but we can't... Another swallow.
nick fuentes
It's just like... What's the point of this?
When I started doing my show seven years ago, I said I want to make something that isn't redundant.
I want to actually carve out a new ecosystem, or rather a new niche in the right-wing ecosystem.
I said, I want to be Christian, reactionary, aware of white identity or pro-white, Jewish conscious, etc.
But I want to do it from the perspective of an American.
And that's really, those are the two central ideas, America first and Christ is king.
Those have been the two central pillars.
Unlike race idolaters and racialists and the French new right, we're Catholic, we're Christian.
And unlike the other wing of the right wing, we're race conscious and conscious of organized Jewry and foreign influence and so on.
And And this guy comes in with just like these Sean Hannity tier, it's like Sean Hannity Jr.
It's like Charlie Kirk Jr.
Hey guys, you know Joseph McCarthy was right?
Did you know that left wing, do you know what a champagne socialist is?
That's what that is.
Have you ever heard of a champagne socialist?
Did you know that people that advocate for socialism, when they get rich, they're hypocrites?
Did you know Bernie Sanders has five houses?
This is Charlie Kirk Jr.
Did you know that Joseph McCarthy was right and Bernie Sanders has five houses?
Have you ever heard of a champagne socialist?
So it's like, what are we doing?
What's the point?
What's the point of any of this?
America's not racist.
Feminists are cringe.
Demons are real.
Like, okay?
This is all very bland, inoffensive, and redundant boilerplate conservative commentary.
And it's irrelevant.
john doyle
And it's not even topical.
Whites are evil.
Get out.
Whites are evil.
Alien.
Female protagonist.
Therefore, girl power.
Like, maybe in the 60s or 70s, you'll have something that was vaguely anti-war, maybe, and so they'll claim it, but it's always just the little details.
It's like icing on the cake or whatever.
And, you know, they're just horror movies that maybe are accented with depictions of colonization, oppression, classism, inequality, etc.
But at that point, those are just cosmetic features.
Like, it would have to be, at its core, left-wing.
Or a lot of times, a movie will be left-wing just because of how Vulgar and subversive it is to our cultural standards, and they'll take pride in making something like that so Sometimes it's left-wing in the sense that the message is progressive, but in a much more real sense It's left-wing because the message is retarded and subversive and defiant to reality or a lot of times It'll just be like you took any dozen classic horror movies.
nick fuentes
It just goes on and on where's the structure?
Where's the narrative like?
There's no flow here.
It's just like fucking babbling, blabbing.
It's just yapping.
It's just babbling.
And we're not going anywhere.
Where's the narrative?
unidentified
Me?
nick fuentes
I make a point.
You know, everyone knows the point I'm making because I state it, I provide the qualification for it, and then I constantly restate The point, and return back and tie whatever Warren or qualification back to the argument.
Or the point.
It's driving towards something.
There's a theme.
It's not just like, and then something this, and then something else, and then another thing.
So this is just trash.
This is bad writing.
This is trash.
john doyle
We'll watch something else.
nick fuentes
Well, we'll go through one movie and then we'll watch something else, but this is just bad.
john doyle
You make that movie a hundred times, but you just cycle between the villains.
Like, okay, this one, the white people are scary.
Then the colonizers.
Then the men.
Et cetera, et cetera.
It's just lazy.
It's just like bloodlust porn for libtards.
And we don't get to make movies like that depicting our enemies with all the caricatures, all these insane scenarios.
We just actually have to live with them and observe their behavior.
And you know what the biggest irony is?
The biggest fans of horror movie consumerism are libtards.
Like the Kill Count guy loves gore, but gets mad if a movie objectifies women.
Uh, yikes my guy, can we maybe not do that?
You're dumb.
Yeah, me when a cameraman focuses on a woman's body.
I disagree with having to see this.
Just say you're gay.
Like, we could have a whole discussion constructing a model of these types of people, because you'd think to yourself, okay, why are all the biggest diehard fans of these McWhore films, which contain terribly violent things in many cases happening to people, why are these people the same people who would pride themselves on being so empathetic and so understanding?
And the answer is because what these people get off to, above all else, isn't being empathetic and understanding, it's being empathetic and understanding to people who seek to subvert traditional American society.
nick fuentes
Same thing with the movies.
I'm losing focus.
Every 90 seconds, my eyes just start to look somewhere else.
I just start to look somewhere else.
I'm like, am I being detained?
Can I leave?
Every time I watch this, if you told me you have to watch this Doyle video and then fill out a worksheet to ensure comprehension, I wouldn't be able to do it.
If someone sat me in a room and said, you have to focus on this and watch it from start to finish, it would be psychological torture.
I start to watch it and in 60, 45 to 90 seconds, I start to say, am I being detained?
Can I leave?
Am I being detained?
Am I allowed to leave?
Am I under arrest?
Cause it just starts, it's just like, it's a never ending sentence.
It's a sentence that just goes on and on.
It goes here and there.
I'm like, what are we doing?
What are we saying?
We're 10 minutes in, I don't even know, is this a movie review?
We're 10 minutes in!
Where's the movie?
Where's the point?
Where's the signposting?
john doyle
Which are in many cases made for the sake of being as brutal and disgusting and gory as possible.
You look at the people who really like those movies, they're all leftists.
And it's because they get off to the vulgarity and the offensiveness of the material.
Sure, there's definitely a component to it that's just about channeling the natural instinct to see violence that we all have.
With them in particular, there's probably a dark spiritual component to it as well, but I really believe that they just love subverting what they regard to still be in a position to be subverted.
So it might seem like there's a hypocrisy or a double standard to their behavior, but there isn't.
Like, it's all directed at the same enemy, which is just us.
That's honestly the worst part of it to me.
Not even, like, the subversion or the edginess, but that it thinks it is.
Like, it's just this cringe, faux edginess.
Like, you've got these people and they're just beating the corpses of moral authorities that have been dead in our culture for a while.
They're trying to act like it's so edgy.
Bro, did you just attack Christianity?
Are you attacking the nuclear family?
You're attacking men?
nick fuentes
You're attacking white people?
john doyle
Wow!
Dude, that's so- that's so punk rock!
That's so transgressive!
What are you gonna do next?
nick fuentes
This guy can't- You're right!
Yeah, you're right!
Conservatism's the new punk rock!
unidentified
But, uh, having a family's the new counterculture!
Wow!
nick fuentes
Yeah, you're right.
No, this is a hot take.
Yeah, that's not a hot take.
This is a hot take.
I've never heard that before.
Conservatism's the new punk rock?
Conservatism's the new counterculture.
unidentified
Oh, in the 80s it was edgy to have sex, it's rare.
Today, it's actually edgy to have a family.
Oh, I have Down syndrome.
And...
Uh, isn't it weird that in 2023 it's Ezzie's turn for family to go to church?
nick fuentes
Dude, it's like... Can we just... Let's just get to one movie.
I want to see what he has to say about one movie, and then we're never watching this ever again.
Okay, then we can watch something different.
Yeah, you already know this is a hot take.
I've never heard this before.
unidentified
Okay, crazy.
You're in 20.
Everything is so upside down.
Having a family and going to church is edgy.
episode I disagree.
john doyle
Liberalism... Liberalism is natural.
This is why it's difficult to make left-wing horror because so much of what we understand horror to be is about the unnatural threatening the natural order.
unidentified
Okay?
john doyle
And so much of leftism is just unnatural.
And you can manipulate the audience's perception of the story by highlighting certain characters and events in different ways.
nick fuentes
I disagree.
I disagree.
Liberalism, liberalism is natural.
Okay, that's why it's taking over everywhere.
I'm sick of hearing this like, you know, well, liberalism is not actually, you know.
unidentified
Hmm. - Hmm.
nick fuentes
I don't know.
I think it might be.
I think there might be something that is intrinsically appealing about liberalism.
I think that's why everybody has embraced it.
I think it's unbeatable in some ways.
So, no, I disagree.
Hey, think about these stories and what's... Well, let's debate that.
But these people just uncritically say the same shit over and over.
Like, for example, McCarthy was right.
unidentified
They hate you.
They hate white people.
nick fuentes
They just uncritically say the same thing over and over.
This is not an over-analysis of anything.
john doyle
It's hard to see how they're accomplishing what they think they are.
Like, when you watch one of these movies, we're typically rooting for the maintaining of the normal order against some outside threat, against something unnatural, or sometimes, when we are rooting for the bad guy, it'll be when he's, you know, killing degenerate teenagers, or when he's punishing bad people in a twisted form of vigilantism, something like in Saw, which is inherently right-wing, by the way, that whole idea of the vigilante, because the outsourcing of justice to capable citizens presupposes the collapse Hey, structure this, idiot.
nick fuentes
Structure it.
The title of the video is 5 Implicitly Right-Wing Halloween Movies.
We're 10 minutes in, and it's just like, okay, first we're gonna establish ground rules.
Okay, but also, but then this, but then this, but vigilantism is right-wing.
Oh, but there are really left-wing Halloween movies.
Structure!
Let's create some structure!
john doyle
...efficiently protect its people and deliver justice, and honestly, I think that's why in the last decade or so, these superhero stories have become so extravagant with their villains and storylines, because broadly speaking, if it were still just about criminals, people might be compelled to think about, you know, the world we live in a little bit harder, what we choose to let people get away with, how it affects our society, who these people are, things like that.
nick fuentes
Wow, that's really poignant.
That's really poignant.
Superhero movies got more complex because if they were about crime, then everyone would say, Black people commit all the crime!
Like, that's literally... Sorry, John.
What's the insinuation?
What are you insinuating here?
If superhero movies were like they were in the old days and they were about crime, then people would realize black people commit all the crime.
So the propaganda has to be about outer space.
Really?
The reason why superhero movies aren't about stopping bank robbers and they're not like chasing someone to the rooftop of a building?
It's because they would have... Watch a cop show!
Watch Law & Order, idiot!
If you watch Law & Order, they just change the antagonist.
Those shows still exist.
It's called cop shows.
Chicago PD, Law & Order, Law & Order SVU.
They just changed the villain.
Chicago PD is a show about Chicago police.
And in case you haven't noticed, all the criminals in Chicago are black.
But all the villains in the show are white.
They didn't stop making Batman or whatever.
Fight a bank robber because, well, if it was just about petty crimes, then they'd have to make it about how black people commit all the crime.
Did you know black people commit all the crime, by the way?
He just found out yesterday, apparently.
He just found out this week.
john doyle
These superhero stories have become so extravagant with their villains and storylines because, broadly speaking, if it were still just about criminals, people might be compelled to think about, you know, the world we live in a little bit harder. - Ah, hmm, what does he mean by that?
Ah, what we choose to let people get away with, how it affects our society, who these people are, things like that.
nick fuentes
So instead... Ah, what did he mean by that?
Ah, it's really, wow.
john doyle
It's about space aliens, and time travel, and quantum physics, and the multiverse, whatever.
Not a perfect comparison, but there's still some truth there, but yeah, there's an argument... No, there isn't.
nick fuentes
No, there isn't!
That, this trend is happening in everything.
And...
It reflects man's changing relationship with reality.
This is well known that in literature, the stories have changed.
You know, man vs. man, man vs. nature, man vs. himself, man vs. society.
It's happening with everything.
That's why even the science fiction movies aren't about rocket ships anymore.
Have you noticed that?
It's got nothing to do with black crim- They- That's all the- And by the way, guys like Doyle and this faggot class, all that they can talk about is how black people commit crime.
They think that's the most edgy, interesting thing ever.
Did you know that non-whites are pouring into the country?
Did you know that black people commit crime?
And it always goes back to that with them.
Why are there superhero movies about outer space?
Because they can't make it about petty criminals.
Because all the petty criminals are black.
Seriously?
Do you have anything else to say?
All the movies are like this.
Even the science fiction movies aren't even about rocket ships.
Once upon a time, the science fiction movies were about an alien that landed on Earth.
Or they were about a spaceship that went into outer space.
Now, it's about the Tesseract, and multiple dimensions, and ecological crisis, and... and it's about... even Avatar is like a... subverts expectations, it inverts the traditional understanding of aliens, and it makes a point about colonialism.
So, no.
Even horror movies!
Horror movies used to be about, what if there was a ghost?
You know, what if there was a... What if there was a poltergeist or a phantasm?
Now it's like, what if there was a trans-dimensional being that was, you know, whatever.
Like, um... I think... One of the paranormal activity movies was about, like, a multi-dimensional thing.
So, no.
That's just... That's just... Because of, uh...
Where society is technologically and it's about the consciousness in light of all these discoveries.
What do we fear in the information age?
What are the anxieties and fears in the information age?
It's the same thing with TV.
Have you noticed that in TV, I think Paul Scalise pointed this out, there are very few stories that are set in the present day anymore because Technology has solved all of the conventional stories.
How many Seinfeld episodes couldn't be made today because cell phones exist?
You know, like in Seinfeld they lose their car in the parking garage.
That's an episode.
Or they get stuck in a rainstorm and they can't reach a phone.
So he's not able to sell his stocks.
Or whatever.
You know, but that's...
So anyway, so the stories are changing because of technology and specifically the information age.
It's got nothing to do with, if they made shows about petty crime, they'd have to red pill the masses about, did you know black people commit all the crime?
So, nope.
Wrong.
That's wrong.
john doyle
...that they'll make, which is that the genre is left-wing because it's inherently subversive and vulgar, and it goes against repression in terms of the content.
That does happen, but it doesn't have to happen.
It's not required to fit the model that we're talking about.
But that's why when you look at the types of people who really love the movies that are made purely for the sake of being disgusting and horrifically violent, like for that in itself, it adds up.
So, I don't know.
The bottom line is that for the profile of the average horror fanatic being a leftist to be used as evidence that the genre is in itself inherently left-wing, that would require me to concede that leftists are reliable narrators and not completely misaligned with reality, which I won't do.
Also, I did the research.
I looked up lists of left-wing horror movies.
They're all wrong.
Like, they'll take any movie and be like, I'm a surplus repression of patriarchal capitalist societies.
And it's like, it's not that deep.
I heard some people say Parasite's a good example.
I guess it critiques class or whatever?
I would have to see it.
The problem is though, for it to really be good, it has to ultimately tie back into something that exists in the real world.
If it's just drawing from or inspired by a fake narrative in society, that's completely untrue.
Okay, what are we doing?
nick fuentes
What are we doing, dude?
What?
Get to one movie.
Can you get to one movie?
Jeez, 14 minutes of fucking yapping.
john doyle
The whole liberal understanding of a creature, a monster, whatever to wing because the ultimate takeaway is that liberals are retarded, which is in alignment with the natural order.
That's the takeaway with one of these movies.
You know, it's like the message is not what is intended, but wow, imagine believing something so stupid that you actually produce a movie about it.
Crazy.
These guys are just as bad as I thought.
All right.
Time for your self-improvement advice.
Got a little bit of a cold, doy boys, but it doesn't matter!
Sometimes you can make your day a whole lot better and more enjoyable by changing something small.
nick fuentes
Now an underwear advertisement.
john doyle
Comfortable clothing.
And for you guys, it starts with your boxers.
That's why I started promoting Undertak, the most comfortable pair of men's boxers I've ever worn.
nick fuentes
Okay.
Sixteen minutes of fucking yapping.
Well, let's actually, let's back up a little bit.
Israel is at war in Gaza, and we're about to go to war with Iran.
That's been the reality for the last month.
This is a 70-minute video about Halloween movies, including 17 minutes of yapping and then an underwear commercial.
So, this is what the non-Groipers are doing.
This is what not-Groipers are doing.
This is what the, uh, subversive element... These guys are gonna go in there and infiltrate the system.
These are the infiltrators.
unidentified
Oh, and a St.
nick fuentes
Michael t-shirt?
unidentified
Based?
Act.
john doyle
They're not normal boxers.
tucker carlson
Underwear.
john doyle
You see chemicals into your skin, because they're made with these synthetic fabrics?
No.
It's made with modal, which is like cotton, except better, for reasons that your limited human mind couldn't even comprehend.
It's a waste of time to try to explain it.
It's 50% more moisture wicking.
It's antimicrobial.
Softer than anything you will ever touch in your life.
Comes with a sturdy, comfortable, extra-wide waistband.
Fly design.
If you know, you know.
Not reinventing the wheel here.
It's durable, lightweight, fade-resistant, shrink-resistant.
Here's the best part.
They're almost 30% less than the competition.
So you gotta go buy an entire drawer full right now at Undertech.com.
That's Undertech.com.
Get 20% off site-wide with my offer code DOYLE20.
- Dude. - Under attack donates a portion of its profits to veteran run organizations that are actively fighting human trafficking, which by extension owns the libs.
Take my advice, you have nothing to lose.
Under attack comes with a satisfaction guarantee.
Have I ever steered you wrong?
Have I ever been wrong?
Be smart. - Okay, all right.
Let's do a pair of under attack today.
nick fuentes
Under attack. - We'll do geo guesser.
Let's see movie number... I want to just see one movie.
We made it 18 minutes in.
Let's just see one movie.
john doyle
I remember the first time I saw this, I was with my dad.
I think I was maybe like seven or eight, honestly, and he'd been telling me for my entire life this is the scariest movie ever made.
People were walking out of the theaters when this came out.
I don't even know if that's true, but we started watching it.
I was so freaked out by what I thought was going to happen that I think I only made it to the part where Laurie's like walking home and then Michael Myers just like emerges from this bush and then goes back behind the bush and I was like, okay, can't do this anymore because I got myself so worked up about what I thought I was going to see.
But yeah, the original Halloween from 1978.
If you haven't seen it, I'm going to spoil it.
You've had plenty of time.
Essentially, it begins with a six year old Michael Myers killing his sister on Halloween night 1963 with a knife that he retrieved from the kitchen after he's left at home.
nick fuentes
You know what?
unidentified
Forget it.
nick fuentes
We just I can't even I can't watch one more second of this shit.
Okay, so that was that.
Let's just be done.
I can't even... My brain is like short-circuiting even trying to get through that.
Let's do... Let's do a little more GeoGuessr and then we'll watch a different video, okay?
I just can't.
unidentified
That was...
nick fuentes
Psychological pain.
Psychological mental pain.
unidentified
Alright.
nick fuentes
Let's do a little expert.
Let's do a little expert, right?
Or is there a different game mode?
He's got me!
Now I'm psychologically conscious of the swallowing thing.
Now I keep swallowing.
How's my hair, by the way?
unidentified
My hair is okay.
nick fuentes
My hair is a little messed up.
unidentified
All right, that's all fucked up.
nick fuentes
What are we gonna do about this, man?
unidentified
Like this, maybe?
That's fine.
nick fuentes
It's fine.
Um... All right, let's play Expert.
Wait!
Okay, it's been 15 minutes.
Let's see.
Where are... What is this?
What does this say?
Is this Rocky Mountains, maybe?
Campeggio?
Oh, I can't move!
When you're in expert mode, you can't move.
This is definitely the Rocky Mountains, right?
Based on the trees, based on the... look of the mountains.
No, no, no, no, no!
unidentified
No!
Okay.
nick fuentes
Let's guess, like, here.
How about that?
unidentified
Oh, I was... Okay.
nick fuentes
Okay, it wasn't the Rocky Mountains, it was... It was the Alps.
unidentified
Okay, we're a little off on that one.
nick fuentes
Look, I had a guess.
Railroad crossing... America, right?
Well, no, because we got some wild... cows?
That looks like an American railroad crossing.
I don't know if that's international, though.
We got electricity, okay.
Whoa, what is this?
Okay, this is not the United States.
This is tropical.
This is Southeast Asia?
Southeast Asia, somewhere?
I'm gonna guess?
unidentified
Hey!
nick fuentes
Yeah!
Yeah, alright!
Another.
I'll have another.
This is Europe.
These are the forests of...
Germany or France?
Right?
I'm gonna guess Germany or France.
This looks like Germany.
Okay, it was Finland.
Okay, well, how about this brown girl?
Okay, so we're in the global south.
Okay, we're in somewhere that speaks Spanish.
What does that say?
Dios.
So it's Spanish.
Tropical.
Central America.
This is Central America somewhere, right?
Central America?
Maybe the Caribbean?
Dominican Republic.
Yeah, in retrospect, I should have said Dominican Republic.
This is the savannah.
This is Africa.
We're in the African savannah, clearly.
unidentified
Right?
nick fuentes
That's what that looks like.
Could be Central America- South America.
unidentified
Because of that.
nick fuentes
I'm gonna guess we're... We're down here.
We're over here somewhere.
unidentified
Hey, hey, hey!
nick fuentes
Yup!
Yeah, I'm good.
What can I say?
I'm good at this.
This is the Rockies.
unidentified
No!
nick fuentes
No, this is... This is not the Rockies.
This is the Smokies.
I'm gonna guess this is the Smoky Mountains.
Because I've been there and that's what it looks like.
But I've also been in the Rockies in it.
It also kind of looks like California Okay, I'm wrong I You're just wrong.
You're just wrong all the time.
Do you do anything other than be wrong all the time?
This is Switzerland.
This is Germany.
This is Germany somewhere, right?
No, it can't be that.
Oh, this has got to be somewhere else.
Where is it though?
It's too... Looks like it's too hot.
Maybe it's Angola?
Okay, I was right, but it didn't look like it, but it didn't look like it.
I thought maybe it was like WinTech, because you know, it's... Okay, that was just a bad guess.
I thought maybe it was like a colonial thing, because it looked like it was hot there.
I was wrong.
It was a... Okay, look.
It was a spur-of-the-moment guess.
What the... John Black and Son, but it's four digits?
What is this, England?
Yes!
Glasgow.
It's Scotland.
It's Scotland.
Boom!
Yep.
Well, it did say it though, so...
You know, I did say it, so I can't really take that much credit.
Now, what is this?
Oh, this is Eastern Europe?
unidentified
Adoy!
Adoy!
nick fuentes
That's what that sign says.
That sign says adoy.
unidentified
So this is Europe somewhere.
nick fuentes
This is Eastern Europe.
Somewhere.
It was Belgium.
Yeah, I should have known that.
I don't know where this is.
Okay, clues.
Cuevas, Thursday and Monday.
Is that right?
unidentified
Mexico.
nick fuentes
This is Mexico.
That's beer, cigarettes, juice, water.
Where are we?
We're in somewhere that speaks Spanish.
Mexico seems like a safe guess.
Got it, yep.
Okay, and my free play is over.
Do I get results or what?
Is it gonna give me results?
unidentified
Whatever.
nick fuentes
Whatever.
I wish you would track your progress.
I don't know.
It seems like not really.
How do I?
Someone says upgrade to pro.
I'm not upgrading to pro.
All right, let's watch something else now.
What do we want to watch now?
Tucker or this?
Do we want to watch Tucker or do we want to watch Benel?
I can't after Doyle, I can't do Benel.
We'll have to watch this.
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
Did I really move from second to fourth?
Oh my... Bro.
unidentified
But there's people out there right now that want to pull... Oh look, it's Marjorie's boyfriend.
They want to pull the red line over a certain direction.
I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You're gonna draw a hard red line.
If you're gonna hold somebody accountable for not doing something, then... Alright, well Trump is beating.
nick fuentes
Trump is doing that.
unidentified
I agree.
I completely agree.
Yeah.
I'm with you on that.
nick fuentes
This is Marjorie Greene's boyfriend, by the way.
unidentified
Okay, no.
I'm not married to Johnson.
Like, when I say married, I mean, ideally.
Like, I don't care who the speaker is.
I just want a speaker in there who's actually going to do what the constituents want.
Like, my biggest thing is I want accountability.
It all goes down to accountability.
That's it.
And if you're not willing to hold people accountable for stuff that has gone wrong, breaking the law.
I mean, stuff that absolutely.
nick fuentes
Okay, no.
What's redacted?
unidentified
The undercover.
clayton morris
Clayton Morris.
You can kill real people.
- You wanna play with like pawns?
You wanna knock over bishops? - Clayton Morris.
- We're gonna give you real ammo and you can go after-- - You can kill real people. - You can go kill real people.
Here's another army recruitment video under the Biden administration.
This is recent, by the way.
I mean, this is only a few months old.
unidentified
So it's all about diversity.
clayton morris
All about diversity.
That's what these ads have been like over the past year and a half to two years.
It's been all about diversity.
And we just showed you some of the lighter versions.
It's actually been some more extreme versions of it, by the way.
Well, something just changed after Israel launched an invasion of Gaza, after Hamas launched a military strike on October 7th.
Ohio.
Adrian, describe our friend, bro.
unidentified
Okay.
Pretty good.
clayton morris
The U.S. military is prepping for war in the Middle East.
Clearly and definitively, the U.S. is preparing troops for potential deployment in Israel, positioning Ohio-class nuclear submarines in the Middle East, a violation of international law.
Adrian, describe our friend Bruce.
unidentified
On the ground.
clayton morris
U.S. bases being used to house thousands of...
nick fuentes
Pretty good.
What else?
Infowars.
alex jones
Did he shave his eyebrows too?
Did he shave?
nick fuentes
He looks like he shaved all the hair off of his head.
alex jones
Okay, no.
- Genetic reasons.
nick fuentes
- Did he shave?
He looks like he shaved all the hair off of his head.
alex jones
- So have trouble absorbing it through food, but you can through the bloodstream.
clayton morris
- Running a local campaign.
nick fuentes
- Okay, no, I guess his eyebrows are just light.
alex jones
- All blood vessels.
And Ultra 12 is back at stock.
nick fuentes
If I don't-- - He looks hairless in this though.
He looks like he shaved all the hair off his head.
alex jones
Okay, um... Alright, well that's that.
What else?
unidentified
going to shut down it will shut down and we have had the enemies of freedom trying to shut hitting us in the air the water the food the percent of the population judge probably isn't coming into work after day two or three well just what do you do okay um all right well that's that what else let's watch uh let's watch tucker to um on to x which is amazing let's see I have some tour dates to let you know about.
theo von
Athens, Georgia on November 7th.
And Atlanta, Georgia, November 29th and 30th at the Fox Theater.
Get your tickets at theovon.com slash T-O-U-R.
We got new merch, three new shirts.
You can check them out.
Uh, they're beautiful.
They're nice.
If you're getting somebody a Christmas gift, this could be.
tucker carlson
That shirt is in.
unidentified
Oh, you need a spit cup?
tucker carlson
Yeah, you gotta try this product.
unidentified
It's unbelievable.
theo von
Maybe I'll try one towards the end of the episode.
tucker carlson
It will wind you up.
theo von
Really?
unidentified
Yes.
tucker carlson
Once you try this, you're gonna get a lot richer.
theo von
Zen?
Is that their advertising campaign?
tucker carlson
Zen is not a sin.
That's the advertising campaign.
theo von
Really?
tucker carlson
Yeah, but the truth is Zen is a powerful work enhancer.
And also a male enhancer.
If you know what I mean.
theo von
Really?
tucker carlson
Yeah.
theo von
Talking erection, huh?
unidentified
Yep.
tucker carlson
There's no election fraud with Zen.
Wow.
theo von
I don't know if I want a zen-supported wiener, you know?
I don't know.
tucker carlson
I think you do.
theo von
You think so?
Oh yeah, because you want people to get addicted to it.
tucker carlson
Just close your eyes.
It's like that.
theo von
That's a neighbor saying, hey, it's real quiet over there.
tucker carlson
Just whack it on the nightstand.
theo von
Ah.
unidentified
Sorry.
tucker carlson
Excuse me.
Sorry.
theo von
Dude, I would hate to have a real long wiener if you have a cat.
That would be the fuck.
That would be the fuck.
tucker carlson
It would be dangerous.
theo von
It would be dangerous.
tucker carlson
Talk about a cat toy.
theo von
Oh yeah.
unidentified
What?
theo von
But you'd have to put a little bell at the end of it or something.
unidentified
You would!
tucker carlson
And a feather.
theo von
Yeah.
nick fuentes
So he's... Okay.
So first two minutes he's just talking about like uh boners that's first first two minutes it's just talking about like boners uh okay yeah that's that's what it is um nice to meet you man we never met dude you have such a crazy like quick act like a guy act like a normal guy oh boner what if a boner you have a crazy laugh don't you It's real.
theo von
It's beautiful.
nick fuentes
Quick, act natural.
theo von
It's beautiful.
I shouldn't say that.
tucker carlson
Act like a normal guy.
nick fuentes
Act like a natural, normal guy.
tucker carlson
Is this being recorded?
theo von
Yeah, yeah.
tucker carlson
So yeah, my laugh is very high and that's how you know that it's real because it's so embarrassing and I do it anyway.
theo von
I like that.
Yeah, and I shouldn't have said that.
It's not nice to...
Condemn somebody's laugh or whatever.
tucker carlson
Oh, you can't hurt my feelings.
unidentified
Okay.
tucker carlson
Go ahead and try it.
theo von
Oh, I'll give it a run, man.
Okay, good.
No, I think your laugh, it kind of reminds me of like a proud kind of grandmother from like maybe the 1850s or something.
Yeah, totally.
tucker carlson
Sending her boys off to war.
theo von
Or like a woman that just got a new cookie recipe in the mail, you know.
tucker carlson
It's joyful, but there's a sort of undertone of diabolic.
theo von
Oh, yeah, yeah.
tucker carlson
But in my case, it's totally real.
And again, it's not an appealing laugh.
It's not like, wow, what a manly laugh that is.
It's not a chortle.
It's more a giggle.
theo von
Yeah.
Yeah, no, it seems like a kid would love it.
It seems like... But not too much.
Yeah, it reminds you of, like, Winnie the Pooh, kind of, you know?
You low-key do have a Christopher Robin vibe if he grew up, you know?
tucker carlson
Thank you.
I don't think he ever did, though.
unidentified
Really?
tucker carlson
I think he exists only in the pages of the books.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
tucker carlson
Actually, there was a Christopher Robin that was Milne's son, and he grew up to be a super bitter atheist who hated his dad.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
tucker carlson
Yeah, it didn't work.
theo von
Really?
tucker carlson
It was all fantasy.
Yes.
unidentified
Wow.
tucker carlson
Unless I'm misremembering that.
unidentified
A.A.
tucker carlson
Milne, who wrote the book, yeah, he had kind of a tragic family life.
theo von
Oh, that's heartbreaking.
um good to see you today man we never met before one of my children is like your biggest fan really yes and are they like how children are we talking mid-20s oh that's fine i'm just saying i don't want yeah i don't want nothing creepy or anything i don't need like because it's kind of weird that they allow like Little kids to watch you?
Sometimes it's weird that there's no barrier to entry in a lot of the world.
tucker carlson
There's porn on Twitter, dude.
So, I mean, in a world that allows that, you're fine.
theo von
You think there should be porn on Twitter?
tucker carlson
No.
No, there shouldn't be porn on Twitter.
I mean, I'm, you know, no.
theo von
Yeah, don't go to Twitter.
tucker carlson
I mean, I wouldn't spend a lot of time trying to ban porn on Twitter, but porn on Twitter, come on.
Twitter is for your ugly opinions, not your nudity.
theo von
Yeah.
What things do you think shouldn't be on Twitter?
tucker carlson
I mean, I think everything should be allowed on Twitter.
I mean, I'm on Twitter because everything is allowed.
I don't think everything is allowed on Twitter.
I haven't found the boundary yet.
But Elon Musk, who owns it, has said he's for free speech.
And if it's a political view that most people don't like, it's still allowed.
And I'm so grateful for that, as someone with unpopular views.
theo von
Well, didn't they have...
Well, one thing that I don't like on Twitter, sometimes you see like people beating up teachers and stuff like that.
You ever seen any of this violence that happens?
tucker carlson
Yeah, I don't like it.
theo von
But the fact that they allow it and kids beating up each other, they'll have like those things where somebody's going to set up, somebody's filming, some other kids like are going to come in and beat up the kid, right?
Um, but why did that?
Cause then I feel like if they would stop allowing that then, cause other kids just start mimicking what they see.
tucker carlson
Well, it's also bad for you to watch it.
I say as someone who's watched a lot of it.
It's like the ISIS videos.
Do you know what I mean?
Or there's a whole bunch of channels of criminals getting shot coming into a jewelry store or a liquor store and some Korean guy just blows them away.
And you can't help but love it.
I mean, it is the most alluring kind of porn.
You just watch it again and again, this guy getting killed.
And you think, this is not good for me, actually.
I shouldn't watch this.
theo von
Yeah, there's probably part of your spirit or whatever.
tucker carlson
Totally.
It's not edifying.
It's like actually bad, but it's very hard.
Have you ever seen the criminals getting killed?
theo von
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I've seen a couple of them.
There's one guy who's so good at it.
He's killed like seven criminals.
tucker carlson
Yeah, he's a watchmaker in LA.
theo von
Oh, is he?
tucker carlson
Yeah.
No, it's a very famous guy.
theo von
Oh, there's a one guy.
I'm like, dude, they got to quit trying to rob this guy.
tucker carlson
Well, he finally gave up.
And now I think he lives in Vegas, but this was in the 80s or 90s in LA.
I think he killed five people, literally.
With revolvers, too.
This was before everyone had, like, a double stack, you know, 19-round magazine.
These were just, like, with conventional .38 or .357 revolvers.
theo von
That's him right there.
Can you have that up for me, Nate?
This is a, um... Yeah, watch seller.
tucker carlson
He's actually a watchmaker.
He's the guy who, you know, fixes expensive watches and makes the new gears.
He's a very...
Yeah, look at that.
Mr. Thomas.
theo von
The dealer Lance Thomas was wounded five times at his shop.
Wow.
tucker carlson
Let's see.
He's like the 50... Okay, I'm sorry.
Is my memory pretty good or what?
He killed five robbers since 89.
theo von
That's amazing.
He's like the 50 cent watchmaker.
nick fuentes
Do we really want to watch this?
I don't know.
unidentified
I'm kind of just like... I don't know if I'm really into this.
nick fuentes
I mean, I like Tucker, but I don't know.
I don't know if I'm in love with this video.
What do you think?
One for watching this, two for not watching this.
One, continue watching.
Two, for watch something else.
I don't know if we'd watch something else, but like... Or what else we would watch?
Tell me what you think.
One for continue, two for not watch.
tucker carlson
okay a lot of twos he's like okay that's good what are the highlights unreal they ran me out of business and for the problems that are like besetting the country you drive through america recently it's like not in good shape at all it's kind of poor actually shockingly poor let's watch the highlights and um people should be really mad about that and instead they're mad about whatever israel hamas i mean i get it i i I think they're, you know, I understand people are upset on both sides.
However, it's unhealthy to spend all your time in your head enraged about a foreign conflict when your own country is suffering so badly.
Like, we need that energy, that constructive energy here.
And I never hear anybody say, 108,000 people died of fentanyl odds last year in my country?
theo von
Oh yeah.
tucker carlson
Young people, a lot of whom weren't doing fentanyl.
They were taking Percocet or benzos and they ingested a pill with fentanyl in it and they died.
They were poisoned to death, okay?
That's unbelievable.
That's outrageous.
No one seems mad about that.
theo von
Yeah.
tucker carlson
They're mad about some foreign war and what a waste, you know, because we can't control that anyway.
theo von
Yeah.
What do you call a person who speaks three languages?
Trilingual, maybe?
Or thri-lingual?
I'm not sure.
What do you call a person who speaks two?
Not me.
That's it.
But if you are like me and you want to learn more languages, well, back to grow.
Epidemic thing, you know, like I remember watching that show.
What was that show that I really liked?
Yeah, Dope Sick.
You see Dope Sick?
tucker carlson
No.
theo von
Man.
tucker carlson
I don't know if I can handle it.
But I live in a place with a lot of that, so I see it.
theo von
Well, it's about Michael Keaton is in it, right?
I mean, there's part of it.
tucker carlson
Well, without commenting on that, I will say.
theo von
But no, sobriety's been cool for me, man.
tucker carlson
But it was tough the first six weeks.
Like, how would you do?
nick fuentes
Someone says it gets good 40 minutes in.
sebastian gorka
Yeah, bro.
theo von
Yeah.
tucker carlson
I've heard that, yeah.
theo von
Most wisely patterns was me praying, dude, that somebody would fucking pour Gatorade down my chimney.
I was just, I wanted Gatorade.
tucker carlson
Why Gatorade?
theo von
Just because it's like, has electrolytes in it.
I would be so dehydrated.
tucker carlson
So you're not much of a planner?
theo von
No, no, no.
tucker carlson
You didn't go to Costco ahead of time just to get a pallet of it for home?
unidentified
No.
theo von
No, bro.
Did you have some pretty crazy nights or no?
tucker carlson
I had a few.
Yeah!
The good news is that, I mean it was a different, I'm 54.
Right, so it was a different time.
In the world that I started, where I started working in 91, Everyone went to lunch every day.
I was a writer at a magazine, and everyone went to lunch for an hour and a half every day.
Period.
I mean, it was a different economy.
This was before the corporations took over everything and implanted chips on your phone to listen to your conversation, track your whereabouts.
And before we became East Germany, they didn't really know where you were.
And it was just a civilized place, and you could just have lunch.
And if you drank, it was totally within bounds to have a couple drinks at lunch.
You know, and smoke at lunch, and then that could keep going.
I'm not saying it was great for productivity, but it was a better country.
That's just a fact.
theo von
Yeah, it was some fun.
tucker carlson
And, um, so... I would just say the great blessing in my life is it definitely erased my memory of a number of years.
So I don't have a lot of guilt, simply because I don't really remember what I was like, but I don't think very appealing.
theo von
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Not a great drunk, yeah.
theo von
Yeah.
Okay.
tucker carlson
And when you drink, like, even if you're not setting out to say, use cocaine, you can wind up doing that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
If somebody's got some cocaine, you're going to staying around them until they don't have it anymore until you have it.
tucker carlson
I've heard that.
Yeah, that's true.
theo von
Oh, yeah, that's me right there.
I did one time.
I was doing some cocaine at the house and People like... I was like a big vest guy for about 11 months and... Vest with nothing underneath?
Yeah, just fucking vests at night.
tucker carlson
That's kind of like the Chippendales thing.
theo von
Some shades, yeah, dude.
Just chilling in my apartment.
tucker carlson
Did you ever dance?
theo von
Huh?
No, I wouldn't dance.
I'd make a smoothie.
But, um... Which is kind of like dancing, but just... But literally nothing underneath it?
Just the vests?
Yeah, no, no, just the vests, yeah.
Because this was in California too, the wet.
It was, you know...
Weather permitting.
tucker carlson
Yeah, it's totally normal.
I mean, I remember I grew up in California and I'd often wear a vest, a silk vest kind of against my nipples.
I liked it.
theo von
Dude, remember when silk came out and it was like, remember silk shirts?
tucker carlson
Oh, yeah.
theo von
They were so bad, huh?
nick fuentes
Someone says, oh, someone wants me to goy scroll.
tucker carlson
Yeah, I never wore a silk shirt in my whole life.
theo von
You're lying.
tucker carlson
No, I swear.
Yeah, never.
I never fell for that.
Really?
theo von
It's quick!
I mean, I don't know.
It'd be interesting to see how the first things happen like that.
tucker carlson
How were the pyramids built?
theo von
I don't know.
People talk about it a lot.
People don't know.
We don't know.
tucker carlson
How is that?
And I'm not, by the way, suggesting any theory.
theo von
Yeah, no, well, look, I think- But how do we not know that?
tucker carlson
And why doesn't that make all of us humble?
Like, if we don't know how they built the pyramids, three or four thousand, or actually, we don't know when the pyramids were built, to be totally honest.
theo von
Yeah.
tucker carlson
If we don't know that, then we don't know shit.
theo von
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Right?
theo von
Oh, yeah.
tucker carlson
So much to just say that.
theo von
Yeah.
Why don't we just say we don't know shit?
tucker carlson
Yes!
theo von
Yeah.
tucker carlson
All wisdom begins with acknowledging what you don't know.
And anyone who tells you, I know the answer, is about to lead you into, say, war with Iran, or something equally crazy.
Take the Vax, you know what I mean?
Like, that's a lie.
theo von
Yeah.
tucker carlson
So never trust anybody who claims to have it all figured out, because he's lying to you.
nick fuentes
Let's look at the smallest streamer.
Well, who's the smallest streamer right now?
Let's look at some of these.
Is there anything interesting going on over here, maybe?
In the darkest corner of Rumble?
Anything interesting Bikini watch party Uh-oh!
I can't click on that.
It's not very...
That would be a sin.
That would be a scandal.
Can't watch the bikini watch party.
unidentified
What else we got though Nothing.
Whole lot of nothing.
nick fuentes
Is that Adam's, or not Adam, what's this guy's name?
What's that Jewish libertarian's name?
Dave, Dave Smith.
Adam Smith, yeah.
Fucking Adam Smith live streaming.
unidentified
This guy's just restreaming.
nick fuentes
He's just restreaming something else.
What else we got here?
unidentified
That's it.
Okay, well.
Oh, Gorka's live.
sebastian gorka
Why does he have so many toys?
nick fuentes
Why does he have all these Star Wars toys?
unidentified
Even I would never do that.
I like the Matryoshka dolls.
clayton morris
Ronna McDaniel needs to go.
sebastian gorka
Yep, I think we've got somebody who echoes your sentiment exactly, Klaus.
nick fuentes
Why does he have so many toys?
unidentified
Why does he have all these Star Wars toys?
nick fuentes
Even I would never do that.
Like the Matryoshka dolls, we got Doctor Who, Rise of Skywalker, Air Force One, what else we got?
It's kind of off-putting that he's got all these toys and like you can see the corner of his living room like that.
sebastian gorka
Oh my gosh, I know who this is!
nick fuentes
Why does he have that?
Why does he have the twin towers?
sebastian gorka
I know who this Michael Walsh is.
I've actually just written a chapter for Michael Walsh in his new book coming out next year.
He looks like shit.
unidentified
Why is he so fat?
sebastian gorka
superb oh my god i didn't even he wrote another book i warmly recommend to you i want to talk about issues uh in the next year and how people are going to vote on issues but you engage with some he looks like shit why is he so bad this morning and i haven't seen this on he's jewish too and look at his like look at his complexion look at his complexion his eyes He looks like Jar Jar Binks.
nick fuentes
Looks like a gun gang.
sebastian gorka
A long time.
Will Chamberlain, a man who I platformed and actually had in that chair in my studio a year ago, he said, you know, we're having a really bad night, but we're sure to do better if we nominate a guy who will be a convicted felon on election day.
Um, well, well, if you're a conservative, there's a thing called innocent until proven guilty.
And secondly, um, really?
I responded the following.
I used a naughty word.
You're a butthole, Will.
And you've just demonstrated your tacit acquiescence to the judicial persecution of the President.
I regret ever giving you a platform.
That's called owning your mistakes, Will.
Okay?
You and your ilk still have no idea what America did in 2016.
Good riddance.
And I've got 280,000 impressions since the Okay, all right.
nick fuentes
What else do we have here?
We reacted to this.
Has it been 15 minutes?
theo von
Do you think that one of the political parties thinks that they have it all figured out more than the other? - I don't know.
tucker carlson
I think they both do.
I mean, I think politicians by their nature are unwilling... By the way, every once in a while you get somebody who shows up and starts to tell a portion of the truth, and everyone loves him!
And then he's always invariably accused of raping someone at that point.
sebastian gorka
I gotta take him out!
tucker carlson
You know, like, anonymous charges.
He raped me in 1985.
I can't tell you my name, but it happened.
They just did this to Russell Brand.
theo von
Yeah, there's always somebody.
Yeah, they'll come out with anybody.
tucker carlson
Or nobody, in his case.
I don't think they put a name.
To any of the four people who were accusing him of sexual assault.
theo von
I'm not shocked.
Well, now there's bots.
They can even, I mean, there's bots writing articles now.
I read an article the other day about my parents.
I'd never heard of either of the two people in the article.
tucker carlson
Are you sure?
theo von
Yeah, it was a bot article.
It was a bot article.
tucker carlson
Have you done 23andMe?
I mean, are you sure?
You're positive?
Okay.
theo von
I'm pretty, I mean, yeah, you're right, actually.
tucker carlson
Because you don't know, dude.
Yeah.
destiny steven bonnell
To the massive obesity.
unidentified
What's he watching right now?
destiny steven bonnell
Like, if the weight was brought under control with no other changes, without exercise, without improving.
tucker carlson
You ready to go back to my childhood?
unidentified
Oh, he's watching the boogie video!
nick fuentes
Oh, we could watch that.
What do you think?
unidentified
Should we watch the boogie... thing?
You know what?
Do you want to know what this represents?
Oh, ew.
Ew!
This is to give the Palestinian people...
destiny steven bonnell
That's so funny.
being unethical because they purchased a whole bunch of land when they started moving in people there is that unethical i don't know a good argument for why that's unethical uh the arab farmers that lived there didn't own any of the land it was owned by other people sometimes by the ottoman state lent to or sold other people so the only argument against it i can see is just feel shitty to buy land and kick people off of it when they don't own it but like i don't think that's a strong argument but maybe i don't know maybe other people will have feelings about that oh actually wait here's a quick thing
um i got into a big fight over over this picture i'm I'm curious what the error is.
nick fuentes
I love that when he talks about Zionism, he's like, erm, well, they bought it.
It's like they schemed to seize the land and create a Jewish state, so that's what happened.
And he goes, erm, but they bought it.
Erm, but they bought it.
So how is it unethical to go and buy a bunch of land?
Well, it's not just like they bought land.
It's not like one citizen bought land from another citizen.
They conspired to plant a new nation where one already existed.
That'd be like if somebody went into your neighborhood that you grew up in, your whole country lives there, and they just started buying.
It's like if China came in.
What if China came in and a bunch of Chinese settlers bought all of the land and then said, oh, this is China now?
Well, what if, like, Chinese billionaires from China came to Texas, bought all the land, and then said, oh, this is a new country now.
Actually, this is a new state.
destiny steven bonnell
um oh they just bought the land i don't know i mean i think they just bought it um how is that unethical they just bought it and the and the israelis will do or how you feel about this so there's a picture that goes around a lot that uh apparently jewish people feel really proud of I don't know if this is a piece of Israeli propaganda that you guys tell yourselves.
Somebody tried to put forth this argument that Tel Aviv was built here in sand dunes, okay?
And it was an amazing feat, an amazing accomplishment by the Jewish people that Tel Aviv was built on these sand dunes.
They built the magnificent city of Tel Aviv.
It was so cool, from nothing.
There was nothing there, and then they built it, okay?
While that is kind of true, Tel Aviv is like five kilometers, okay, from Jaffa, which was a massive port city, right?
Tel Aviv was built on the outskirts of Jaffa from a lot of the people leaving Jaffa due to a variety of conflict, overpopulation, whatever reasons.
It was basically built on the outskirts of Jaffa, Tel Aviv.
So I feel like presenting this picture and saying, oh my God, the Jewish people built this bubble, it's like, okay, kind of, but like, if you turn the camera around, right, If you turn the camera around, you have a massive port city that is literally, uh... You have a massive port city that's literally right next to it, you know?
I think this is... this might even be early, early 1900s.
So it feels a little bit like bragging about, like, building a suburb.
I don't know.
nick fuentes
Oh, but it's not... but it misses the point.
It's not bragging.
That's... This idea is central because they say Palestine never existed.
In order for them to legitimize the Jewish claim to the land, because they know that their claim is weak, they say, well, we were here 3,000 years ago.
It's like, well, no, you haven't been there for almost 2,000 years.
He started showing up here a hundred years ago.
There were basically no Jews there, and they started immigrating around a hundred years ago, and they didn't constitute a significant part of the population until the mid-century.
So they've really only been here for, like, little under a hundred years.
So they realize that their claim is pretty shaky.
They say, well, we were there then, and we have been there now.
We've been there relatively recently.
Now, what they use to legitimize that claim is to say, well, but the Palestinians weren't developing their land.
That's one of the arguments.
They say, among other things, they say, well, there was never a Palestinian state.
And it's like, but that ignores the fact that people lived there.
Just because there wasn't, just because that territory wasn't the sovereign entity doesn't mean that there wasn't settlement there.
That's like saying Illinois was never a country.
Illinois was never a country.
There was never a country called Illinois.
It's like, okay, but there has been a land in a lower category province called Palestine for thousands of years.
You can say that Palestine was never sovereign, but they've been calling it Palestine since the Roman Empire.
So how does that... Well, there is no such thing as Palestine.
There never has been such a thing as Palestine.
So how can the Palestinians assert a claim to the land today?
That's part of it.
It's not just about asserting the Jewish claim, it's about delegitimizing the claim by the Palestinians by saying, well, there never was a Palestinian state.
Or in this, well, they never owned the land.
The state owned the land.
Okay.
And then another part of it is they say, well, they didn't develop the land.
And so if you don't do something with the land, then you have to give it to the people that developed the land.
They say, when we got here... That's what the sand dune picture is about.
They say, when we got here, there was nothing.
When we got here, it was just a big, wide-open desert.
Now there's a modern city.
So they say, okay, even if we... Okay, fine.
We took the land.
Okay, fine.
There was Palestine, but we developed it.
So, maybe the Palestinians deserve the land, or maybe it was their land, but we deserve it.
We ought to have it.
So it's not boasting.
This is a key claim.
This is a key part of their claim that they legitimately own the land.
Because there's this argument that, well, you don't have the land unless you develop it.
If the land is idle, then you sort of forfeit sovereignty.
So it's not just saying they're bragging.
It's saying there was nothing here.
There was no Palestine.
There was nothing.
It was just a big desert that nobody wanted.
And then we came and we took it and we built something.
And now they want to take it to what?
They could do nothing with it again?
So that's the base of that argument.
I'm gonna leave for one second.
I gotta pee, okay?
I gotta pee and I'm gonna get some food and I'll be back in one second.
theo von
That's a good point.
tucker carlson
Yeah, that's a good point.
nick fuentes
Let me step out for a minute.
unidentified
I'll be back in a sec.
tucker carlson
Exactly.
theo von
Don't go anywhere.
tucker carlson
You're telling your shrink about the wrong mom.
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So why don't we watch, um, let's watch, let's watch this.
destiny steven bonnell
I don't know.
I think it's kind of silly, but... Dustin, can you quickly address your server becoming a propaganda battleground?
It's pimp and readable.
Yeah, I already said something about it yesterday.
Stop posting, like, random violence against Palestinians or Arabs around the world.
Stop posting random violence against Jewish people around the world.
If you want to post, like, mass shootings or, like, crazy events, that's fine.
But the... Hey, hey, hey!
nick fuentes
Look at this.
Hey, look at this.
destiny steven bonnell
Israel is so small that other ports would have had a similar effect.
That is not true.
nick fuentes
Are you getting hungry?
Are you getting hungry watching this?
destiny steven bonnell
Yeah, stop trying to post more bad stories from one side to the other.
That's just stupid, I think.
nick fuentes
You're jelly.
destiny steven bonnell
The question becomes, was the land ownership system of Ottoman Empire and Palestine ethical?
Yeah, maybe not, but then that's an issue with the Ottomans and shit, not necessarily the people that bought it, right?
nick fuentes
I gotta get up again.
No fork, no straw.
You serve a hundred orders every day!
unidentified
You put a straw in the drink, you put a fork in the side.
destiny steven bonnell
How is that difficult?
I don't want to just present this argument in a vacuum.
I really want him to fight me on this.
unidentified
Let's see if he wants to chat about this.
destiny steven bonnell
You respond to Steven Crowder dredging up the pages from the manifesto of the Tennessee school shooter?
Okay, I saw that, and they looked really bad, and it was tempting to start making a bunch of tweets about how this is lefty violence, it's starting to actually happen now, where people are doing mass shootings, and they're using, like, Cracker as an insult, and all of this.
However...
We don't have all the pages of that notebook.
It could be that that person wrote a whole bunch of unhinged shit about everybody in that notebook, and if 10 more pages were released about them talking about other things, like also wanting to kill black people, and also wanting to kill brown people, and everything else, and using a whole bunch of other racial slurs, it changes the way that we would view the few pages that were released.
Remember, remember, remember, remember this take I give.
Even if you feel like it's wrong, it is right.
Even if you fight against it with all your brain, you know deep down, eventually, you're gonna give into this position, okay?
nick fuentes
Selective?
Okay, let's watch the other debate though.
destiny steven bonnell
Let's watch the debate that he did on... People choose the stopping point of history in a very peculiar way.
Saying that Arab-Palestinian hostility has been fostered by the Israeli state since the ethnic cleansing of 48 ignores what precipitated the ethnic cleansing of 48, which was the Brits leaving and all the Arab countries saying, well, we're going to try to eliminate all the Jewish people here because of this, right?
unidentified
It's not of great interest to me I do not think.
It's no!
destiny steven bonnell
It doesn't bother you!
unidentified
I know I'm right!
destiny steven bonnell
great interest.
That's a really important war.
That's where Israel expanded their territory in three directions.
In the 21st.
unidentified
It doesn't bother you.
destiny steven bonnell
If you cut me off like that, then let me finish this point without cutting me off immediately.
There have been at least four Arab Israeli wars where 10 plus Arab countries have explicitly stated that their goal is to destroy the nation of Israel.
That's probably why they're a little bit dicey about Arabs gaining a significant voting hold in their country.
That's probably why.
unidentified
Thank God.
You are really into this Israel narrative.
I mean, I'm surprised.
Hold on.
destiny steven bonnell
I'm sorry.
Did I just say something that was factually incorrect?
unidentified
Yeah, you didn't, but the United States was attacked on 9-11.
There wasn't a movement to, there wasn't big support to take away voting rights.
destiny steven bonnell
Because the United States is the strongest country militarily that has ever existed in the history of all of the world and we're surrounded by the two largest oceans on the planet defending us from all foreign attacks.
unidentified
Do you think that our position is the same as Israel?
I think before 7th October it was fairly comparable.
Because Israel, if you look at the amount of casualties they've had since the Yom Kippur War, you're really emotional about this.
I'm a little surprised.
What's up?
destiny steven bonnell
Do you want to introduce yourself?
unidentified
Sure, yeah.
So I'll just introduce myself.
My name's Matt Cockerell.
I'm a PhD student at the London School of Economics in History.
I have a modest internet profile called History Speaks.
Oh!
I know this guy!
Yeah, that's essentially it.
I'm very engaged in the... Why know of him?
He doesn't like me.
...in the crisis.
Gotcha.
Right now.
Okay.
And I have sympathy for the Palestinian side more than the... certainly more than the Israeli side.
Gotcha.
But I'm not... I'm not pro-Hamas like a lot of people online are.
Gotcha.
Reason, yeah.
Okay.
destiny steven bonnell
Um, yeah, hit me up with the, cause I'm trying to, I'm cramming hard.
Cause I've got like limited time before a Ben Shapiro debate.
That's probably not going to involve us at all.
So give me your like few minutes.
unidentified
What are you going to debate with Shapiro about?
destiny steven bonnell
Hopefully stuff related to Biden's presidency and what a Trump presidency might look like, basically.
unidentified
OK, so you're not going to debate on that?
Because I assumed you were on the... So, here is the argument I would make.
The argument I would make is not that Hamas are good guys or they're not terrorists, they were justified in massacring people.
It's a far-left argument.
The argument I would make is that the hatred that led young men to produce Hamas, to join Hamas, so like the causality, right?
would not have happened but for decades of Israeli policy aimed at ethnic cleansing.
That's the one ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.
That's the first point.
destiny steven bonnell
Sure.
unidentified
And the second point, going back to the founding of the country and the founding ideology of the country, really.
Mm hmm.
And the second point I'd make is that Israel and I think this is a relevant point for you because you come at this from a liberal perspective, which actually I shared.
A lot of people on my side are like base North Korea, base Stalin, but I come from a liberal perspective and I think a lot of liberals are siding with Israel and don't realize Israel's a deeply illiberal society.
And just to make a couple points in this regard, in 2014-2015 Pew surveyed the Israeli population and found that nearly half of all Israelis support a mass ethnic cleansing of the Arab population.
This question was asked in general terms, do you support removal of the Arabs?
Nearly half said yes, like 46-48%.
That's one expression of this.
Another expression of this is the vast majority, according to the same polls, said that Jews should receive special treatment under the law.
Another expression of this is nearly 90% of Israelis, 80-90%, according again to Pew, said they'd never let their child, or pardon me, not let, they'd be deeply uncomfortable with their child marrying a Christian or a Jew.
So I just, I think that Israel has promoted a narrative in the West that it is a liberal society, It's in compliance with international Western norms.
And this is a fairy tale that has been sold through propaganda.
And I think that the hatred that people in Gaza feel is completely comprehensible.
What we can't justify is cashing it out and massacring people, right?
We have to condemn that.
And they did it.
Like, it's not the argument that this was all crossfire.
This hasn't, they haven't produced evidence.
So we have to, if we're being rational, we have to assume they massacred innocent people, right?
And we have to condemn that.
But what is the hatred?
What is the source of the hatred?
That's what I'm interested in.
And here's another point I'd make.
So the common argument given is, oh, these are just savages.
They're Muslims.
They hate Jews, blah, blah, blah.
That's a very common meme on the pro-Israel side.
Well, you have in Jordan a majority population that is Palestinian.
The majority of Jordanians are Palestinian.
You have a small Christian minority there.
We have like a science experiment.
If we're looking at Islam, Jews and Christians have the same standing in Islam.
They're Ahl al-Kitab, People of the Book.
They're lower than Muslims.
Where are the massacres of Christian Jordanians by Palestinians?
Zero.
Whereas even the social discriminations, virtually, unless you're talking about people who converted from Islam to Christianity, Christians are treated very well in Jordan.
And this isn't me saying that.
You can look up their socioeconomic standing.
They're not subject to violence.
You can look up polls of how Muslims view them.
They're treated well by the Palestinians there.
So what is the difference between the radical attitudes of Gazans versus the tolerant attitudes of Jordanian Palestinians to They're a Christian minority.
destiny steven bonnell
It's clearly this brutal policy of occupation, which—and also— Wait, can you—yeah, let's go point by point, actually, because obviously I'm going to challenge you on all these points.
On that last thing you said, so you're saying Christians are treated well in, we'll say, countries like Jordan.
Why do you think Jewish people— In Jordan.
unidentified
Huh?
In Jordan, yeah.
destiny steven bonnell
Why do you think Jewish people were treated so poorly in every Arab country after 1948?
unidentified
They certainly were treated very poorly.
There was ethnic cleansing, there was harassment.
It's unjustified, and it's to be condemned.
destiny steven bonnell
Well, but what was the Arab justification for it?
unidentified
No, the reason for it was the conflict, primarily.
Yes, but the conflict was in… It was a sense of collective guilt for the conflict.
Exactly.
destiny steven bonnell
I just want to be really, really, really clear, OK?
Because you made the claim that in Islam, Jews and Christians are the same standing.
And then in Jordan, you're saying, well, look, Christians and all these people were massacred, OK?
The implication being that Jewish people somehow did something to be massacred in all these Arab countries.
But Jewish people didn't.
Israelis did in the Middle East, in Israel.
So I'm asking you, what is the Arab justification for the pogroms, for the siege?
nick fuentes
Right away.
unidentified
I apologize, I'm eating.
nick fuentes
I know I'm kind of like a slob right now.
Let me finish this bite and I'll come back to it, okay?
destiny steven bonnell
Easy to have property for the expelling of Jewish people in Arab states post-48.
Because it wasn't Israelis they were expelling, it was Jewish people, right?
unidentified
Again, I'm a liberal Westerner.
I do have a connection to the Arab world through my maternal side, who's Egyptian.
I do have some bias there, but I am a liberal Westerner.
nick fuentes
So, notice how right out of the gate, there's this interesting little sleight of hand, which you might have missed.
But History Speaks is making a claim about the Palestinian Gazans and their motivation for hating Israel.
He says that the meme on the Zionist side is that the reason that the Palestinians have animosity towards Israel is because they are savages.
They are savages, they are barbarians, they are Muslims.
And that's true.
That argument, it's true that that argument is used by the Zionists all the time.
They say these are terrorists.
It's a barbaric place.
And the reason that the Gazans have this antipathy towards Israel is because they're Muslims.
And that's why they hate America as well.
That's why they hate Europe.
They are Muslims.
They hate infidels.
They hate everyone that isn't Muslim because they are savages.
That is the argument.
And what This, uh, Egyptian guy, the History Speaks is saying, is that, well, that is easily disprovable because in Jordan, Christians are treated equally.
That Islam regards Jews and Christians similarly, and in Jordan, Christians are not treated badly.
So, it follows that, excuse me, that their religion or their primitiveness is not the reason for their antipathy towards Jews because if they hated Jews for being Jews, for being unbelievers, then why would they not hate Christians too?
Why would they not hate Christians as much?
Why would they not treat Christians like they treat the Israelis?
He said, and the obvious reason, and Destiny laid this out, is because of Jewish behavior.
They are attacking Jews and History Speaks says, well, that's a form of collective retaliation that in the Arab countries and in countries where Israel did not expel Palestinians like Egypt or Iraq, they said Jews were punished.
But they are being punished as a collective response to what Israel is doing.
It doesn't make it right, but the Jews are being targeted in these other places for that reason.
But there's an interesting slate of hand where Destiny says, okay, well what about, okay, so, you know, Jews are being treated worse in Jordan than the Christians are, but what about the Jews in Egypt?
What about the Jews in Iraq?
Israel didn't do stuff to those countries, he says, and they're not punishing Israel, they're just punishing Jews.
And it's like, okay, but you've totally missed the point of the argument.
History Speaks even says, well, Jews were expelled in those other places and that was wrong, but nevertheless, they were expelled as a response to what Israel did.
And Jews being Jewish and Israel being a Jewish state, it was a form of collective reprisal.
Egypt punished the Jews in Egypt because of what the Jewish state Israel did to the Arabs in Palestine.
Now, History Speaks said that's wrong, and we can say that that's wrong.
But it has nothing to do with the argument.
The argument is that if Arabs and Muslims were just violent, if they were just a problem for no reason, and they hate Jews purely because their religion compels them to or their backwardness makes them xenophobic, then Jordanians would hate Christians.
But that's not the case.
That Egypt collectively punished the Jews for the behavior of the Jewish state really has nothing to do with that because even if anything it proves the opposite.
It says that all the so-called anti-Semitism in the region because Jews lived in the Middle East.
The pogroms towards Jews in the Middle East were a response to what Israel did.
And that's really the point.
Because what the Zionists say, or Jews generally, they say that any anti-Semitism or anti-Zionism is because people just hate Jews.
If you have negative attitudes towards Jews, if you're critical of Jews or the State of Israel, that's because you just hate Jews.
For an irrational reason, it's pure xenophobia.
It's pure bigotry.
It's never a response to Jewish behavior.
You're never anti-Semitic because Jews are behaving badly.
You're never anti-Israel because the Israeli state did something wrong.
It always has to be irrational.
And what this guy is saying is, well, let's test it.
In Palestine, the Palestinians hate the Israelis, but right across the river, it's the same people.
The Jordanians don't hate Christians.
So it would follow that they are capable of living among people that don't share their religion and people that are different from them.
And therefore, The Palestinians hate the Israelis because of how the Israelis treat them.
And Destiny's rebuttal is to say, okay, but what about the Arab countries that expelled Jews where the Israeli state didn't act in those places?
But the argument's wrong because even if it's misguided, even if the Egyptians or the Iraqis or whoever, even if they expelled Jews who had nothing to do with Israel, it's misguided, but it's still a response to what Israel did.
It's a form of collective punishment.
It's a, again, it's misguided, But it's still a response.
What catalyzed that was the Nakba.
So it disproves its own argument.
Right out of the gate.
unidentified
That's something to say.
If you want me to tell you why these people thought it was justified, which is not my position, it's because of the 1948 and 1950 ethnic cleansing project by Israel of the majority of the Palestinian population.
So in the 1948 war, this is according to Benny Morris, who's a Zionist and very pro-Israel, although he's a serious historian.
I recommend him to you, guys.
I'm going to dig in point of fact.
Sure.
destiny steven bonnell
Benny Horace, I believe, is part of the four new Israeli historians.
unidentified
Right.
Papa is a little bit – even for me, who's very pro-Palestinian, Papa is a little bit tendentious, let's say.
Morris is good.
destiny steven bonnell
That's fine.
Yeah, we've got a lot of Benny Morris.
unidentified
Anyway, Morris is my top guy here.
Morris, his analysis was, there was this national myth, I'm sure you'll hear this on Israel Twitter, that the Arabs just left voluntarily because their armies were about to attack and so on.
Benny Morris found that the vast majority of the people who left in 1948 were either war refugees or they were just physically removed, like ethnically cleansed by the Israelis.
So So the vast majority of these 800,000 or so people were either war refugees or were physically removed or ethnically cleansed.
And then in 1950, Israel passed a law expropriating their property with no compensation.
These are war refugees and ethnic cleansing victims.
So in my view, they're all ethnic cleansing victims at that point.
If Russia were to say, we're taking all of the property and you're not allowed to return to recreating war refugees, that's ethnic cleansing.
Sure.
destiny steven bonnell
What you just described is what most Arab states did in 48 to Jewish people, and they also did it in 56 after the Suez Crisis, and they did it again in 67 after the Six-Day War.
unidentified
So every Arab state seems to be doing that.
nick fuentes
See, again, just blows past the first point.
And, you know, I watched a little bit of this video before I went live, and this whole thing You realize that all that destiny has are just these, like, these tricks.
It's slate of hand that you wouldn't recognize if you're not paying close attention.
Well, let's stick to the claim.
The claim is that Palestinians hate Israel because of what Israel did.
And again, the evidence is the control variable is Jordan and Christians.
Jordan Arab Muslims don't hate Christians.
So it's not a Muslim thing.
It's not an Arab thing.
It's a response to the Zionist state.
And Destiny's rebuttal is to say, Oh, but the Arabs did that to Israel too.
But the Arabs did that to Jews too.
But that's not really an argument.
That argument, it's a non sequitur.
It does not follow.
We're talking about why the Gazans don't like Israel.
And History Speaks is ruling out them being Arab Muslim.
And Destiny's Rebuttal is to say, OK, but Arabs did the same thing.
Again, does it follow?
And right here again, two minutes later, says the exact same thing.
OK, but the Arab countries responded by doing the same thing.
unidentified
I agree.
We'd have to look at individual cases, but if you want to talk about ethnic cleansing in general terms, I don't think that's an unreasonable characterization of what happened to the Jewish population.
destiny steven bonnell
I barely know anything about this conflict so far.
My knowledge is literally four or five days old.
unidentified
I'm not disputing your premise, you understand.
I'm talking about what preceded it.
destiny steven bonnell
Yeah, no, but that's what I'm talking about, too.
Because I think that it's very easy for this conflict to just say, what preceded this particular thing, and then stop there.
So, for instance, you keep bringing up the 800,000 Arab-Palestinians that were expelled in 1948, right?
Which I think is closer to 700,000, but regardless.
Yeah, for those people that were expelled, why were they expelled in 1948?
Why were the Arabs expelled?
Why were they expelled in '48?
unidentified
- Why were the Arabs expelled?
- Yeah.
- Well, I mean, so the majority were refugees, A large minority were physically removed.
There was a plan called Plan Dalet.
destiny steven bonnell
I'm aware.
Which authorized... But why did Plan Dalet come after?
What came before Plan Dalet?
unidentified
What came before?
Plan Dalet was not a response to Arab policy against indigenous Jews.
It was a response to... It was a security measure, essentially.
destiny steven bonnell
But a security measure for what?
Why did they need a security measure, though?
unidentified
So Destiny is saying it's contentious that Zionists had an ideological motivation to take land in Israel.
That's contentious?
destiny steven bonnell
That's more contentious.
That's more contentious.
nick fuentes
But...
unidentified
No, I don't think so.
I mean...
nick fuentes
So Destiny is saying it's contentious that Zionists have an ideological motivation to take land in Israel.
That's contentious?
So the debate is over right there.
Because he's denying that Zionism exists.
unidentified
Basically.
nick fuentes
That they're acting in an organized way to take over the entire mandated Palestine, which is their stated objective.
destiny steven bonnell
But a security measure for what?
Why do they need a security measure, though?
unidentified
Because they're at war.
They're at war.
destiny steven bonnell
Correct.
unidentified
And they also had an ideological vision.
had an ideological vision.
Well, they did.
destiny steven bonnell
That's more...
unidentified
They did.
nick fuentes
The Zionists have an ideological vision to take over Israel.
Well, that's contentious.
unidentified
Is it?
nick fuentes
For anyone that knows, it's not.
And that's not me saying that.
Both sides would.
No one, no person in the Israel-Palestine debate would say that the Zionists don't have an ideological vision to take over Israel.
No one would say that.
Nobody would say that that is the case.
unidentified
That's what Zionism is!
nick fuentes
So, like, no one is arguing that.
Even the Zionists aren't arguing that.
They're not, I mean, because they're Zionists.
That is their ideological vision.
So that's crazy.
You know, because Destiny... and notice how he doesn't even make a claim.
He does this slippery thing where he says, well, I'm not... I don't know anything.
I'm not making any claims.
What I will say, though, is that when it comes to this conflict, everybody wants to start at an arbitrary point.
Because, of course, this thing is a tit-for-tat.
There's this feud.
And so it's reciprocal.
The Israelis don't like the Arabs.
The Arabs don't like the Israelis.
And so what Destiny is saying is we're trying to figure out who's in the right and who's justified to feel angry.
He's saying that the Palestinian side starts at an arbitrary point.
What he's effectively saying is that the Palestinians started it.
He's saying that when the Palestinians say that Hamas is justified in Al-Aqsa flood on October 7th, he said it's arbitrary to say that that's justified by the occupation of Gaza.
He says because Gaza was occupied because of the Intifada.
And the Intifada started because Israel took over.
And it goes all the way back to the very beginning and he's basically saying That when the Palestinians pick an arbitrary point where Israel started the conflict, he says, they're not going all the way back.
Now, here's the problem.
He says, basically, if he's denying that Zionism exists, and Zionism is the intention by European Jews to create a Jewish state in the Levant.
Now, they considered other places.
They considered Texas, they considered Zimbabwe, they considered Paraguay or Uruguay.
But they settled on the Levant.
They settled on Palestine.
And this is in the first Zionist conference in Basel, Switzerland.
They said that we're going to go and deliberately immigrate to Palestine.
And they brokered a deal with the Balfour Declaration to get the foreign minister of the United Kingdom or Great Britain at that time to say that there should be a Jewish state in the Middle East.
And on and on.
And there's a lot of other history that happens there.
But the point is, is there when destiny says, if you go back far enough, it's the Palestinians fault.
And then he says that there is no ideological vision on the part of the Jews to take over the Holy Land.
You lose the debate right out right from the beginning because that's factual.
That is uncontested.
It is unquestionable that the Zionists... What is Zionism?
The Zionists had the intention of creating a Jewish state in the Middle East.
So when he says, you know, if you go far back enough, it's not the Israelis' fault, and you can only find fault with the Israelis if you choose an arbitrary date.
If you go back far enough, it's not their fault.
It's because the Muslims didn't want him there.
But then he says, oh, well, actually, no, the Israelis didn't want to create a Jewish state.
unidentified
What?
nick fuentes
Or rather, the Zionists didn't want to create an Israeli state.
That's just... That's just totally wrong.
unidentified
So...
nick fuentes
There you go again.
destiny steven bonnell
That's more contentious, but... No, I don't think so.
unidentified
I mean, I don't think so.
So, like, now, did they have a vision of actually physically removing them from the beginning?
That is contentious.
I actually wouldn't even agree with that.
Did they have a vision of taking the land?
By some means, they did.
Absolutely.
You get those with Theodor Herzl, for example.
Theodor Herzl said something to the effect that we must expropriate the land.
Sure.
destiny steven bonnell
I don't care about Herzl.
I understand.
unidentified
Let me clarify, because some Palestinians exaggerate this.
He said we have to abide by property rights and so on.
But they had a vision and practice for decades of buying up land from absentee landowners, often Turks, and then expelling the propertyless peasants from it.
Sure.
That's different than what happened in 1950, which is just theft of land, really.
Sure.
They just said, you can't come back.
So it's within the bounds of property rights, but it is bound to antagonize the population.
And in fact, in 1939, the British Empire turned against Zionism in the white paper, in large part because, first of all, there was an Arab revolt.
nick fuentes
And he made a key point here.
He said that, and we watched it on Destiny's stream from today, when Destiny says, erm, they just bought the land.
So what?
People can buy land.
Why is it unethical for Israeli settlers to buy land, or Jewish settlers at that time, to buy land?
And History Speaks says, well, you know, that tends to antagonize the population.
There's an ideological vision, starting in the late 19th century, to take the land.
To settle the land, to take the land, and to create a new state.
They do that.
Arab-Palestinians don't like that because their land is being purchased and they're getting removed from it.
Now, Destiny is saying there is no ideological vision to take over the land, and he's saying that, well, there's nothing inherently wrong with buying land.
And this is how he comes up, and by the way, those two ideas are how you come up with the theory that the only reason anyone hates Israel is because they just hate him for being Jewish.
All the Jews did was start buying up some land.
They didn't have a plan, and there was nothing wrong with them buying it.
Then, out of nowhere, the Arabs attacked.
So yeah, if you deny the sort of central premise, which is that Jews intended on settling in an already occupied land, you know, a land that already has inhabitants, you know, then you're right.
But that, you know, that's sort of the whole point.
So... That's crazy.
destiny steven bonnell
Yeah, from 36 to 39, yep.
nick fuentes
And it just goes to show, by the way, that this isn't even an argument that Zionists would make.
Because Zionists even know the record better than destiny.
So this is an argument that's made by a person that fundamentally doesn't understand the facts, or is denying them.
So it's like, it's like a dumb argument for Zionism.
It's like a dumb argument in defense of Israel.
You know, because a Zionist might argue, like, well, the Israelis have a claim to the land because God gave it to them, or we had it 3,000 years, or, you know, we bought it fair and square, you know, or something like that.
But this argument is like denying that Zionism exists, which is crazy.
unidentified
Yeah, but the British did recognize that while they, of course, they fought the revolt and lamented what they regard as barbarism and so on.
They understood that this situation is not sustainable of allowing all this Jewish migration where they come in, they buy the land and kick off these unlanded peasants, right?
And that's a vision articulated by Herzl.
That's essentially what the practice and a vision.
So, I mean, I see a continuity between that, even though I wouldn't call that ethnic cleansing.
It's in the neighborhood because it's lawful, right?
They're not like taking arms or buying it.
But I see that as kind of part of a spectrum, and I understand why people who aren't, in many cases, weren't literate back then and are just tied to land and labor, seeing themselves get kicked off the land, these Palestinian Arabs, that there was resentment and anger, right?
destiny steven bonnell
I don't disagree, but again, what precipitated the 48 expulsions?
What precipitated the inaction of Plan Dalet?
unidentified
They wanted, for ideological reasons, as much land as possible with a Jewish majority.
destiny steven bonnell
That might be the case, but unfortunately, historically, we don't have that counterfactual, right?
We don't know if that's true.
unidentified
We have statements from them.
We have statements from Ben-Gurion.
Ben-Gurion was clearly happy to see the backs of any Arab who left in 1948.
destiny steven bonnell
Yeah, Ben-Gurion also included in his statement of Israeli independence that he would happily live side by side with Arabs.
And Ben-Gurion and the Yishuv, the pre-Israeli government, also accepted the 47 partition plan that would have had like 55% of the population of Israel being Jewish Arabs and the other 45% being Palestinian Arabs.
So we have those things on writing as well, right?
I understand that we have that one statement from Ben-Gurion, but if we look at the actions that they took prior to the 48-minute promise, there are other statements too, right?
unidentified
Okay, so you're talking about the origins of the war, where the Arab population does not accept the partition plan.
That certainly is true.
But, I mean, there are two reasons for that, essentially.
The first was... Yeah, it just totally...
nick fuentes
He's just basically denying what transpired.
Which is that the Israelis came in, they basically stole the land.
No, no, but they bought it!
Okay.
They're they're invaders.
I mean they are that was their intention was to move there and take over And create a state.
I mean these are total outsiders.
These are total foreigners and their intention was to gobble up enough land and Declare the creation of a Jewish state and the United Nations come in and says hey Palestinians, you know time to create a Time to create a state now that is both significantly Jewish and the Jews have way more land than you, even though they have a smaller population.
So the Palestinians start out.
The whole society is Arab Muslim.
95% Arab Muslim.
90% of the land is owned by Arab Muslims.
The Jews, in 30 or 40 years, Buy up significant proportion of the land, and then the United Nations come in and says, oh, well now there's going to be a Jewish state.
Now there's going to be a state that's mostly Jewish, and the Jews have most of the land, and the Arabs reject that.
And there's a war, and the Israelis expel the Arabs, and Destiny says, gee, why do the Arabs hate the Israelis?
Must be because they're anti-semitic.
They didn't have an ideological vision to take the land.
Well, they rejected the partition plan.
Violated, in their view, the premise of the UN Charter, which accords self-determination to indigenous peoples.
unidentified
- That's not a real argument. - In their view, the premise of the UN Charter, which accords self-determination to indigenous peoples.
- Okay.
- And the second of all, is that- - I'm so hungry, is that it? - Is that the land given to Israel was wildly out of accord with their percentage in the population.
So they got more land despite having, they got the majority of the land despite the Arabs having more than twice the population.
So look, I'm not- you can say war is unjust- I'm not defending the decision to go to war.
destiny steven bonnell
Obviously it was a mistake, but- Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
I understand.
Hold on, hold on.
I just want to be super clear, okay?
Um, I haven't even taken a hard stance.
Obviously I'm leaning in one direction.
I haven't taken a hard- And then- and then does this.
nick fuentes
Well, I don't have a position.
destiny steven bonnell
stance one way or another yet, okay?
I'm just saying- I don't have a- all I'm saying is- issue is I noticed that when people speak about this conflict, a lot of stuff will be brought up, but people choose the stopping point of history in a very peculiar way.
For instance, saying that Arab-Palestinian hostility has been fostered by the Israeli state since the ethnic cleansing of 48 ignores what precipitated the ethnic cleansing of 48, which was the Brits leaving and all the Arab countries saying, well, we're going to try to eliminate all the Jewish people here because of this, right?
nick fuentes
And that precipitates the- I love, I love the casual, like, when it comes to claims, for example, that are obvious, like that the Jews wanted to take over the Mandate of Palestine, it's like, erm, well, we don't have a counterfactual.
Yeah, we do.
They said they wanted it.
Erm, but they also said other things, too.
Then when it comes to the 1948 war, it's like, oh, the Arabs were like, fuck this, let's kill them all.
Oh, really?
Is that what it was?
unidentified
...exterminate the Jews.
This sounds like a national myth to me.
I mean, this isn't well-supported.
They didn't—they wanted war.
destiny steven bonnell
Yeah, they did not want the partition plan because they viewed it—look, they viewed this— Okay, it might not have been the fact that they would have killed all the Jewish people.
That could be the case.
I don't have a counterfactual.
I can't prove that, okay?
But it is strange that when Israel, when Israel won their war of independence, it was just Jewish people that were punished in every single Arab state.
Right?
It wasn't Israeli supporters or Zionists.
It was Jewish people that were punished in every state.
nick fuentes
That's just... I'm not saying they would genocide everyone.
It's just weird.
Then why didn't they kill them?
Why did they kill them all?
Well, he's pretending it's not a response.
To the creation of Israel.
unidentified
That's wild.
destiny steven bonnell
It could be the fact that all of the surrounding Arab nations that went to war with the newly declared Israel, maybe they would have just, like, conquered the territory and, like, made Jews live as whatever citizens there?
unidentified
There's two responses I'd make to this.
First of all, I agree with you that this is unjustified.
Second of all, I don't understand how Palestinians are responsible for what Egyptians did, or what Yemenis did, and so on, in response to the neck bite.
And then the third point I'd make is that...
Wait, wait, wait.
destiny steven bonnell
Give me the points.
unidentified
Wait, wait.
destiny steven bonnell
Give me the points.
Wait, wait.
unidentified
Yeah, give me the points.
So you may ask, why would you talk more about the victims of the Neqba versus these Jews who were chased out of Yemen or Egypt?
The answer is that the victims of the Neqba and their ancestors are still in Gaza, or they're in Lebanon with no nationality, or they're stateless in Syria at a refugee camp.
Whereas the Mizrahim who were kicked out are in a first world country, Israel, and they're happy there.
And I'm glad they—I don't want them to be removed from the land.
But do you understand that, like, they don't want to go back to Yemen.
And why would they?
Right?
They don't want to go back to Egypt.
They're happy to be in Israel.
So it's like, their situation—the consequences of their victimization are no longer being felt.
destiny steven bonnell
Yeah, because the Jewish people in Israel fought war after war after war to establish their right to exist.
That's the only reason why they have a place to live, right?
nick fuentes
Again, just totally not even engaging with the line of reasoning.
And I like, History Speaks brings it back and says, you know, okay, like we're sort of getting away from the subject at hand, which is Israel and Palestine, specifically Israel and the Palestinian Gazans.
And he says, basically, so what?
That Egypt and Syria declared war on Israel.
That had nothing to do with the Palestinians.
Those were the actions of Arab states, he says.
And the fundamental difference between the Arabs declaring war on Israel and Israel declaring war on everybody else is that the Palestinians are in a concentration camp and they can't... And the ones that were chased off their land during the War of Independence, the so-called War of Independence in 1948, they can't return.
But the Israeli, you know, if Destiny wants to make this equivalency and said, oh, well, the Israelis expelled the Palestinians and then the Arab states expelled the Jews.
And the guy says, well, you know, that's really neither here nor there because the Arab states are not the Palestinians.
He says, but, you know, be that as it may, in 2023, which is the conflict that we're talking about, the Al-Aqsa flood and the ensuing Gaza war, he said the Jews have their own state.
They still have the land and, you know, if they wanted to return, I mean, they wouldn't want to.
Israel's a first-world country.
He says, but Palestinians are basically in an open-air concentration camp.
Palestinians are not in the same situation.
The Palestinians that were driven from their land, they're unwelcome in Egypt, they're unwelcome in Jordan, in Lebanon, and the living conditions of West Bank and Gaza are unbearable.
And Destiny comes back and says, uh, but that's because Israel fought for the land.
It's like, okay, but one's got nothing to do with the other.
And then this language like, right to exist, that's just, that's propaganda.
He's gonna say, I'm not taking a side, I don't have a position, but Israel has a right to exist, and Israel fought for its right to exist, and the reason that Israel is a first world country is because it has the right to exist.
Really?
Israel is a first world country and Palestine isn't because Israel fought harder for it?
Or because Israel secured a key alliance with the United States through the influence of the Zionist lobby in America, in Washington?
What's the reason for that?
unidentified
Okay, but I don't understand why that's... Okay, so... We can talk about, like, the origins of the 67 War, the Yom Kippur War, and so on.
Sure.
Who's to blame?
destiny steven bonnell
But, like... Well, hell, I mean, wait, let's... Yeah, wait, wait, wait, let's do it!
unidentified
Let's do it!
Let's do it!
destiny steven bonnell
Let's talk about... We can talk about the origins of any of those, because now I know everything about all of these, okay?
So the Suez Crisis was Egypt, okay?
unidentified
Nationalizing all po- Uh, I, wait, I know this one!
Uh, the Suez Crisis was, uh, Egypt!
destiny steven bonnell
...parts of the Suez Canal, and then cutting off shipment to Israel, which was not only a violation of the 1888 international agreements to not control traffic through that, but it was also most likely a declaration of war because it probably violated the previous armistice lines that... But it was most likely a declaration of war.
nick fuentes
There's the weasel words.
destiny steven bonnell
...had been established in the 48 War, right?
So, that was the beginning of the Suez Crisis.
Which part of that was Israel's fault?
unidentified
OK, in 67, the fact of the matter, the core fact of the matter is that Israel attacked, Israel attacked Egypt, Jordan, and Syria.
destiny steven bonnell
Why did Israel?
OK, well, we can.
OK, so we'll skip.
OK, we'll go to the 66.
Why did Israel attack?
unidentified
Given that Israel attacked, you have to justify to me that they had no alternative moves and that war was imminent.
destiny steven bonnell
War was imminent.
And that's why they did attack.
unidentified
Let's see.
nick fuentes
He doesn't even know!
He doesn't even know!
Look at him!
War was imminent!
Really?
Why?
Okay, let me go to my- let me go to a Wikipedia article.
destiny steven bonnell
The Six-Day War.
nick fuentes
Ah, there it is!
There it is in my Wikipedia notes.
unidentified
The Six-Day War was- Oh, I know this one!
nick fuentes
1956 was, uh, Egypt!
unidentified
Uh, so Egypt, like, did a thing, and, like, basically that was an act of war.
nick fuentes
In 67, Israel preemptively attacked Syria and Egypt.
But that's because war was imminent!
Oh, really?
How?
Let me go to... I don't know this one.
unidentified
56.
nick fuentes
That's Egypt.
Okay, what about 67?
Well, war was imminent.
Really?
How?
I don't know.
Let me check Wikipedia really quickly.
Oh, there it is.
Six-day war.
destiny steven bonnell
Nasser closing the Suez Canal again, which Israel said would be a cause for war if they try to close off those shipment lines again.
This is exactly what we did with the Suez Crisis, like, almost 10 years earlier.
unidentified
That, in your view, justified... The Suez matter justified war.
destiny steven bonnell
Yeah, of course it does.
Closing waterways and shipments?
Yeah, of course that justifies war.
I think that's internationally recognized as a cause for war.
nick fuentes
And, like, Egypt literally expelled all the UNEF forces- I love that, by the way.
unidentified
I think that's internationally recognized as, like, an act of war, man.
nick fuentes
See, here's what you have to realize.
When Destiny does a debate, if you make a claim He will go through and say, oh, well, you know, if you don't have a source that said, like, for example, Zionism.
If you don't have a source that says, you know, the leader of Israel said, we're going to kill every Palestinian, blah, blah, blah.
Well, then we can't entertain that.
You cannot enter that in as evidence.
We could not possibly infer that the Zionists had an ideological vision To take the land in Palestine.
Cannot be, oh really?
Who said it?
Oh really?
What's the source?
Well, here's who said it, here's the source, but people said other things.
So if you make a claim that is obvious, or even an inference, where you say the Zionists wanted to take over Palestine, no, I doubt that.
But when Destiny says that a preemptive war against Syrian Egypt was necessary, Because Nasser took control of the Suez and closed the strait.
He says, well, closing waterways is an act of war.
I mean, I think, like, internationally recognized as, like, an act of war.
So... And that's always, it's always the weasel words.
Probably, I think, maybe, basically like an act of war.
destiny steven bonnell
They got rid of all the UN peacekeepers, they closed the canal, and they started establishing tiered, layered military lines.
So of course, what do you think is going to happen, right?
They were building up troops.
They were getting ready to invade, obviously.
Because it's not stupid.
Ten years earlier, they literally fought a war over exactly this thing, right?
So of course, you know, by closing it again, there's going to be another conflict.
That's why he's preparing for it.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't regard the disputes over the rights of Israeli shipping to pass through Suez in the Red Sea to justify a preemptive war.
And I think you're very naive if you don't look at the ideological... That's totally true, by the way.
nick fuentes
This happens all the time.
Where the Strait of Hormuz is obstructed or there's an embargo and there's not wars over this.
It's not... The idea that it's a no-brainer That that would justify a preemptive war is just ridiculous.
And it goes to show that he knows nothing about history.
unidentified
So do you accept that Israel had an ideological interest in expansion to the territory they call... No, no, I want to answer this.
destiny steven bonnell
Wait, wait, wait, you made one claim, just as a real quick thing.
If you said that you don't consider the closing of shipping lanes as a cause for war, that's fine.
You're alone there.
Your answer there is ahistorical, and throughout all of history, the closing and fighting over shipping lanes has been absolutely huge parts of...
nick fuentes
Listen to the way he talks I want to write out exactly what he says so you could see how retarded it sounds cuz maybe it'd be hard to It would be hard to realize how stupid it is unless you see it written down Where's like an app where I can write something here in text whoops How about this
Oh, this is from, wow, it's saved from when I did my space on that, or when I did the stream on that Twitter space.
I want to go to, I want to write exactly what he says, because it's crazy.
unidentified
About why we go to war with people and why people- Logical interest in expansion to the territory- No, no, no, I want to answer this.
destiny steven bonnell
Wait, wait, wait, wait, you made one claim, just as a real quick thing.
If you said that you don't consider the closing of shipping lanes as a cause for war, that's fine.
You're alone there.
Your answer there is A, historical, and throughout all of history- The closing and fighting over shipping lanes has been absolutely huge parts about why we go to war with people and why people go to war.
nick fuentes
Let me slow it down a little bit here because it's going too fast.
destiny steven bonnell
Closing and fighting over shipping lanes has been absolutely huge parts about why we go to war with people and why people go to war.
Um, so this is a very big deal is closing free travel.
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
So if we, if you literally just slow down what he says, oops, let's do this.
Make it more legible.
Okay.
So this is...
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
This is your sophisticated person here.
Throughout all of history, the closing and fighting over shipping lanes has been absolutely huge parts about why we go to war with people and why people go to war.
Throughout all of history... In all... It was a dark and stormy night.
Throughout all of history, the closing and fighting over shipping lanes has been absolutely huge parts... These are the weasel words I'm talking about.
Absolutely...
Absolutely huge parts.
It's not even, it's not absolutely why, it's just absolutely huge parts.
Absolutely huge parts about, not about why.
We go to war with people and why people go to war.
Both about why we go to war with people and why people go to war.
Fighting over shipping lanes has been fighting over shipping lanes is why people go to war or closing.
So let's just reduce all of this to its simplest form and let's just say shipping lanes are sometimes a part of are sometimes
Let's say disputes over shipping lanes Are a part of or not I don't even like a part.
unidentified
I don't even like it's absolutely huge parts Let's just say partially or
nick fuentes
Are sometimes Part of a justification for war.
Well, let's rephrase it, okay?
Because that's really what he's saying.
Throughout all of history, closing and fighting over shipping lanes, when you say closing and fighting, what you really mean when you say closing and fighting, this is a way to water down what you're saying.
And this is the trick, is that he's never actually saying anything concrete.
Because, if he were to say, closing shipping lanes causes people to go to war, that would be a state- Like, let's write that down.
If you were to say closing shipping lanes causes war, you know, then you could dispute that.
And you could say, well, no, because here's an instance where it didn't cause war.
Here's an instance where it's resolved diplomatically.
So you can't say closing shipping lanes causes war.
So you have to say something like closing and fighting to make it less specific.
Closing and fighting.
So it's not just closing.
It's, well, any disputes involving shipping could be a cause for war.
Closing and fighting over shipping lanes causes war.
But you know what?
That's also too concrete.
So you have to say something like, you know, closing and fighting over shipping lanes is part, is part of why, is part of why people go to war.
So let's make it even less specific and let's say, well, it's not, it's not just closing shipping lanes.
It's any disputes involving shipping lanes are why people go to war.
Well, but that's not always the whole thing.
Um, it's, it's part of why people go to war.
And then you add in, then you add in these other words.
So you add in these, like, this is the weasel words.
Fighting over, can I not do italics?
Gay.
Seriously, what kind of fucking notes app is this?
Can I, how can I edit this?
unidentified
Whatever.
nick fuentes
So closing and fighting, this is a way to make it less specific.
Part of makes it less specific.
Now that's, that's phase one, okay?
This is what, this is like what a real claim would be.
And this would be adding or rather subtracting specificity.
This is called obfuscation.
Then you add in these words that make it sound like you're certain.
These are words that add certainty and make it sound like you're very convinced of it.
That's where you add in, throughout all of history, closing and fighting over shipping lanes.
has been absolutely huge parts about why people go to war.
Do you see what's happening here?
unidentified
Here we go.
nick fuentes
Let's make this in caps, though, so you can see.
And this is the destiny guide to debating, okay?
Because he's trying to make a claim about the Suez Canal crisis or about the 1967 war, and he's saying that closing the Suez Canal and blocking off the Strait of Tehran, he says, that necessitated Israel to go to war with Egypt in both cases, because that is a cause for war.
Now, what his claim is, is that disputes... And the guy says, well, I don't know if I agree.
I don't know if I agree that Nasser closing the Strait of Tiran, I don't know if that necessarily justifies Israel's war.
It could be a pretext.
That's the counter-argument.
So, let's say argument, argument.
Nasser's Blockade of Strait of Tiran necessitated a pre-emptive war.
An offensive pre-emptive war.
Okay?
unidentified
Here's the counter argument.
nick fuentes
The blockade doesn't necessarily justify or warrant a preemptive war.
Now here is destiny's reasoning, okay?
Now this is the reasoning for the argument.
Well, The reasoning is, well, if you disagree that a blockade doesn't warrant or justify war, no one believes that!
You're alone!
Everyone... I think he said that before.
What'd he say?
You're alone.
destiny steven bonnell
This is a real quick thing.
If you said that you don't consider the closing of shipping lanes as a cause for riot, that's fine.
You're alone there.
nick fuentes
You're alone there.
So you have this, like, appeal to... You have this appeal to consensus.
Everyone believes a blockade Necessitates and justifies Preemptive wars because that's what it is.
We're not talking about any we're talking about a preemptive offensive war So first he says well, maybe maybe you have your counter-argument, but no one believes your counter-argument, which is not a real argument Your answer there is ahistorical, and throughout all of history.
And then we get this beauty.
Then we get this.
Throughout all of history.
Close it, then we get, this is the actual text.
Okay, here's the original statement.
Or, well, I don't know what you'd call this.
Reasoning.
Shit Okay Throughout all of history, since the beginning of time, throughout all of history, the closing and fighting over shipping lanes has absolutely been huge parts about why we go to war with people and why people go to war.
Now, again, what's the actual meaning in here?
What does he mean?
What do these words mean?
He says disputes over shipping lanes because that closing and fighting means disputes, not necessarily just closing.
But any fighting over shipping lanes, which is a dispute, because there are disputes.
There's disputes over all of it.
You know, who has fishing rights and who has sovereignty over that.
You know, there's diplomatic reasons why someone might close a strait or a canal.
So he's saying any dispute, it's not just closing one, it's fighting.
Closing and fighting over shipping lanes, which means disputes, has been parts, huge parts, about why people go to war.
So what he means is disputes over shipping lanes sometimes are part of a justification for war.
Now this, this reasoning doesn't prove the argument.
To say Nasser's blockade of the Strait of Tehran necessitates an offensive preemptive war, why?
Because sometimes disputes over shipping lanes are part of why people go to war.
Okay, but that doesn't actually prove what you said.
It actually has nothing to do with what you said.
You needed to prove why it was necessary and how it justifies a preemptive war.
To say, no one's saying that you could go to war over that.
You could go to war over a lot of things.
You know, the Soviet Union could have went to war with the United States over Gary Powers and the U-2 plane.
Could have gone to war over the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Could have gone to war over... whatever.
But you're saying that Israel had to go to war.
They were forced.
Israel has no expansionist agenda.
Israel does not have an ideological vision to take over Palestine.
They were forced to.
They had to go to war.
They had to fight in 56.
They had to fight in 67.
It was necessary.
Why?
Because sometimes disputes over shipping lanes cause war.
But then you add in the weasel words, and this is how destiny argues.
You add in weasel words, That, um... So first, you... Obfuscate.
And say, well, it's not just closing, because that's what happened, it was a closure.
It's closing and fighting, and it's not just why people go to war, it's part of why people go to war.
But then you add certainty.
Even though you're obfuscating, even though you're not really saying anything, you're just absolutely certain of it, and I know I'm kind of blocking this right now.
unidentified
Can I do this?
Okay.
nick fuentes
So then you add certainty and say, well, throughout all of history, it's been an absolutely huge part, but it's a part.
Absolutely huge.
It's a part.
You're saying it's a partial justification for war.
Absolutely huge part.
So you're saying it's a maybe primary or secondary, but it's a part.
In other words, you're not saying countries have to go to war over The closure of the Strait, of one Strait.
You're saying that disputes over shipping lanes is sometimes part of why people go to war.
But things happen throughout all of history and it's absolutely huge, you know.
This is what I'm talking about when I say weasel words, weasel words.
It's like this is, so that's a statement that he made.
His, you know, the guy says, well, I disagree.
That Nasser closing the strait necessitated preemptive war.
And Destiny says, well, my counter-argument is that everyone believes it.
Okay, you're a... Citing what?
Nothing.
Nothing.
Everyone believes it.
Source?
No source.
Everyone believes you're wrong, okay?
And the reasoning?
Well, sometimes closing... Sometimes disputes over shipping routes are why countries go to war.
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
Not an argument.
Not an argument.
destiny steven bonnell
Closing and fighting over shipping lanes has been absolutely huge parts about why we go to war with people and why people go to war.
nick fuentes
I love in the totally extraneous, this is why we go to war with people and why people go to war.
Do you see the... It's like a palindrome.
This is why we go to war and why people go to war.
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
So, you're saying nothing.
You're just filling up air with fucking crap.
destiny steven bonnell
A very big deal is closing free travel to certain countries.
So, I just want to establish that.
Now, if you think it's not a cause for war, that's fine.
Even though you said it yourself, you brought up in 56, there was the Suez Crisis.
It was literally fought over this, right?
But, okay, so 10 years later, the same thing happens.
Okay, now, go ahead to your point.
I just want to establish that.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Okay, so, yeah.
The moral question of whether the 67 wars... What did he establish?
nick fuentes
What did he establish?
You established what?
That disputes over shipping lanes are some, you know... Again, this is the argument and counter-argument.
This is what you fucking estab... Wait, before we go on, I need to establish one thing.
Sometimes countries go to war partially over shipping routes.
Now you may proceed.
But, you know, these idiots that watch this stream, you know, they hear shit like, throughout all of history, and absolutely huge, and they're like, oh yeah, sounds good to me.
unidentified
We disagree on it's not of great interest to me.
That's a really important war.
destiny steven bonnell
Wait, wait, how is that not a great interest?
nick fuentes
Chat of chats has established a presupposition.
That's exactly what it is.
destiny steven bonnell
That's a really important war.
That's where Israel expanded their territory in three directions, right?
unidentified
They call—no, no, I want to answer this.
destiny steven bonnell
This is why people go to war.
I'm the expert here.
Let me establish, countries go to war over shipping sometimes.
Now that we established that.
It's not about travel.
nick fuentes
I love how he says it like he knows, too.
This is why people go to war.
So let me just, I'm the expert here.
Let me establish countries go to war over shipping sometimes.
Now that we established that.
destiny steven bonnell
Deal is closing free travel to certain countries.
So I just want to establish that.
It's not about travel.
nick fuentes
It's not even about travel.
You mean it's about travel?
It's about trade, idiot.
destiny steven bonnell
Closing and fighting over shipping lanes has been absolutely huge parts about why we go to war with people and why people go to war.
So, this is a very big deal, is closing free travel to certain countries.
nick fuentes
Free travel, it's not travel.
destiny steven bonnell
I just want to establish that.
Now, if you think it's not a cause for war, that's fine.
Even though you said it yourself, you brought up in 56, there was the Suez Crisis.
It was literally fought over this, right?
unidentified
But, okay, so 10 years... And again, even that part, what does that even mean?
nick fuentes
Even though you literally brought it up.
Brought up what?
What everybody knows is that the Suez Crisis is about the Suez Canal.
Yeah.
So what?
Again, it's just adding stuff that it's not... He's not saying anything.
You know, so first he says, again, everyone believes this.
Well, you're alone, everyone believes this.
Then he says something, again, a presuppositional statement.
Then he says, well, even you said that the Suez Canal crisis was over the Suez Canal.
Whoa!
Mic drop.
Mic drop and the Suez Canal.
So here's the argumentation.
Argument one, nobody agrees with you.
Argument two.
Sometimes that's part of a justification for war.
And part three.
The Suez Canal crisis was about the Suez Canal.
This is the argument.
Nobody agrees with you.
Sometimes.
The Suez Canal Crisis is about the Suez Canal.
Now you can continue.
Now that we've established this, let's go on.
destiny steven bonnell
Okay, now, go ahead to your point.
I just wanted to establish that.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Okay, so, yeah.
The moral question of whether the 1967 war is justified or not, we disagree on.
It's not of great interest to me.
I do not think— Wait, wait, wait.
destiny steven bonnell
How is that not of great interest?
That's a really important war.
That's where Israel expanded their territory in three directions, right?
nick fuentes
Now it's just like, this is a guy who clearly has no idea what he's talking about, so now he's just like throwing out things we already know.
What History Speaks is saying is, okay, when it comes to the moral case about Israel versus Palestine, the actual precipitating causes of the war aren't actually that important.
He goes, wait, but the 1967 war was important!
So again, History Speaks says, Precipitating causes are less relevant than the moral case.
And then there's Steven Bonnell.
The 1967 war was important.
It's like you're arguing with a little baby.
It's like literally like you're arguing with a baby.
The precipitating causes of the 1967 war are less relevant than the moral case for the Palestinians.
unidentified
What?
nick fuentes
Wait!
But the 1967 war was important.
You know, but 9-11 was a national tragedy.
That's crazy.
It's like you're literally arguing with a baby because clearly what Destiny heard is like the 1967 war is not important or something.
destiny steven bonnell
Correct.
Yeah.
A really important war.
That's where Israel people go to war.
So this is a very big deal.
It's closing free travel to certain countries.
So I just want to establish that.
Now, if you think it's not a cause for war, that's fine.
Even though you said it yourself, you brought up in 56, there was the Suez Crisis.
It was literally fought over this.
nick fuentes
Right?
destiny steven bonnell
But, okay, so 10 years later, the same thing happens.
Okay, now go ahead to your point.
I just want to establish that.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Okay.
So, yeah, the moral question of whether the 67 war is justified or not, we disagree on.
nick fuentes
It's not a moral justification.
unidentified
Oops.
Thank you.
nick fuentes
Regardless, the, you know, the precipitating causes are less relevant than the moral cause.
Wait, but the war was important.
unidentified
Great interest to me.
I do not think- Wait, wait, wait.
destiny steven bonnell
How is that not a great interest?
That's a really important war.
That's where Israel expanded their territory in three directions, right?
nick fuentes
So you see how he just clearly didn't even listen to what the guy said.
Because the guy said the precipitating causes are not as important as the moral justification.
And what Destiny heard is the 1967 war isn't important.
So he's not even listening.
destiny steven bonnell
That's a really- Correct.
Yeah.
nick fuentes
And then he's done, he's like, yeah.
Yeah, the 19- oh, the 1967 war?
Let me check Wikipedia.
Wait a second, hang on.
Hang on really quickly.
Hang on really quickly.
Uh, the war when Israel expanded in three directions?
That is important, yeah.
destiny steven bonnell
So I think the starting of the 67 wars, I think it's pretty important, right?
unidentified
Well, we have an ethical disagreement on whether this dispute over, um, This blockade over access to international waters justifies starting a war.
I do not agree on this.
destiny steven bonnell
Okay.
Yeah.
And you don't think that Egypt had an interest in going to war again with Israel?
You don't think they had it there?
unidentified
Of course they did.
They hated Israel.
destiny steven bonnell
Okay, so they blockaded their straits.
unidentified
Yeah, but there's no evidence – look, Israel did not – Israel – here's my position.
destiny steven bonnell
Okay.
unidentified
First of all, we have a normative disagreement that we just talked about.
I don't think – since normative disagreements are often insoluble, I don't think it's very interesting to go back and forth on that.
destiny steven bonnell
Okay.
unidentified
Israel – here's my perception of the 1967 war.
Okay.
Israel wanted to expand.
They were provoked by the Suez issue.
They had a deep ideological commitment to expansion.
They think the land is theirs.
They think God gave them the land and so on.
destiny steven bonnell
They think God gave them the Sinai Peninsula?
unidentified
Yes, they do.
Not the Sinai Peninsula, but like the West Bank and the Golan Heights, for example.
destiny steven bonnell
Wait, but the West Bank and the Golan Heights have nothing to do with Egypt closing?
unidentified
Yeah, they didn't just attack Egypt.
Their preemptive war was in multiple directions.
destiny steven bonnell
That was only because those other countries had signed defensive pacts with Egypt.
They told Jordan, they said, they literally explicitly told Hussein, they said, please don't attack us in Jerusalem.
And Hussein said, ah, f**k it, I'm going to.
And that's why Egypt invaded the West Bank afterwards and took that land.
Now we might say, well, Egypt, uh, or Israel would have- He said, ah, f**k it, I'm going to.
nick fuentes
I love when Redditors argue like this.
And then Nasser was like, ah, f**k it, I'm gonna invade.
destiny steven bonnell
Do you understand how we're 20 minutes in?
unidentified
And what History Speaks keeps saying is that the Zionists have an ideological agenda, which is expansion.
destiny steven bonnell
And there's a word for that.
It's called maximalism.
They are Jewish maximalists.
nick fuentes
Do you understand how we're 20 minutes in?
And what History Speaks keeps saying is that the Zionists have an ideological agenda, which is expansion.
And there's a word for that.
It's called maximalism.
They are Jewish maximalists.
They want as much territory as possible.
And we keep getting away from that.
Like he tried before this ridiculous bullshit.
History Speaks said, okay, but actually it's about the fact that Israel wants to expand.
And he said, erm, but actually closing, closing shipping lanes is a cause for war.
And he said, yeah, well, actually I'm less interested in that.
I'm more interested about the moral justification, erm, but the Suez Canal crisis, about the Suez Canal, the 67 war was important.
And it keeps coming back to, Destiny doesn't want to have the conversation about the fact that Zionists want to expand.
Like, in other words, the idea that there are causes for the war other than the nominal causes, he doesn't want to have that discussion.
The idea that potentially the so-called justification for war is a pretext, he's not interested in that.
But that's the debate that History Speaks is trying to have.
He's saying that be that as it may, that Nasser closed the Suez Canal, be it that it...
What is it, be it as it may, that he closed the Strait of Tiran?
He said, the Israelis are using these as opportunities to expand because they have an ideological agenda which is maximal Jewish territory.
Like they have from the beginning.
And Destiny keeps watering it down by saying, well, when the Israelis settle Palestine, they're just buying land.
And when they expel the Palestinians?
Well, they had to because the Arabs declared war.
And when the Israelis go to war in 56 and 67?
Well, they had to because they closed the Strait of Tiran.
And because... And they attacked Syria because they're in an alliance.
Ignoring the possibility that maybe that's a pretext.
Maybe they're taking advantage of the situation, which is what History Speaks is saying.
unidentified
Ah, fuck it.
Ah, fuck it.
didn't just attack Egypt.
Their preemptive war was in multiple directions.
destiny steven bonnell
That was only because those other countries had signed defensive pacts with Egypt.
They told Jordan, they said, they literally explicitly told Hussein, they said, please don't attack us in Jerusalem.
And Hussein said, ah, I'm going to.
And that's why.
nick fuentes
Fuck it.
Ah, fuck it.
Hussein had to attack because his people would revolt.
He didn't want to, but he had to.
destiny steven bonnell
Egypt invaded the West Bank afterwards and took that land.
nick fuentes
So that's just wrong.
So that's just casually wrong.
Hussein said he would invade, and then he was like, ah, fuck it.
Did Hussein say, ah, fuck it, or was Nasser hugely popular and visited Amman, and when he did, the Jordanian king realized that Nasser was more popular than he was, so he had to join Nasser's war.
Or did he say, ah, fuck it?
Eh, nevermind.
I wasn't gonna go to war, but eh, screw it.
Now I am.
destiny steven bonnell
Land.
Now we might say, well, Egypt or Israel would have taken that land anyway.
They would have went and invaded anyway.
We don't know that, though, because unfortunately we can never know because Jordan decided to attack with Egypt.
unidentified
Here's how here's how we know better than the.
nick fuentes
That's just dumb.
That's just dumb.
He's saying, well, maybe they would have taken the land regardless of the pretext that they created to take the land.
I guess we'll never know.
Whoops!
No takesies-backsies.
The Arabs invaded and gave Israel an excuse to take it.
Now we have no way of discerning whether Israel wanted the land to begin with.
That's crazy, dude.
It's just like, honestly, you can only watch this stuff if you're a complete idiot.
Like if you're a completely ignorant retard.
Destiny has studied this conflict for five days and dismantled every talking point.
destiny steven bonnell
What?
unidentified
What?
nick fuentes
In what way did that happen?
When he had to look up what the Six Day War was in the middle of the debate?
unidentified
I don't think Israel showed an interest in negotiation.
I don't think Israel wanted to involve the international community.
I think they rushed to war for expansionist reasons.
We have a disagreement on that.
Sure.
destiny steven bonnell
But to be clear, you have no proof of any of that, and I can show you tons of proof on the other side.
unidentified
Of course I do.
No, I have massive proof of this.
That Israel had a vision that Israeli leaders for decades had a vision of expansion to what they call Judea and Samaria.
And the Golan Heights?
Of course I have proof of this.
destiny steven bonnell
He's typing, right?
nick fuentes
He's literally typing and looking stuff up right now.
destiny steven bonnell
This is so easy.
This is such an easy thing, okay?
This is what the Arabs should have done then.
unidentified
Arab.
nick fuentes
So, History Speaks says that the Jewish leaders have talked about taking over all of Palestine for a hundred years.
Now let's hear what Destiny's Rebuttal is.
So he's saying, if you're following these two arguments, History Speaks, and this would be my position as well, is that clearly the Zionists, from the beginning, from the late 19th century, had an intention of taking over all of Palestine.
And there are very extreme elements inside the Israeli government, maximalists, and they wanted everything even east of the Jordan River.
They wanted even what's now the state of Jordan.
And some wanted more than that.
You know, some want Iraq and the Sinai and some want all of it.
And so what history speaks is saying that when Israel goes to war in 56 and when they go to war in 67, The reason that they give for the war is a pretext they want to expand.
When Israel seizes the Sinai and Israel seizes the Golan and the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, this is part of their long plan, which is to take over that entire territory.
Not necessarily Sinai, but Golan they still have, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank they still occupy.
And so the point is that Israel is not fighting defensive wars, although they're being put in situations where they're confronting Arab countries, they're using these as excuses to take land.
And Destiny says, well, the Arabs should have attacked them.
But that doesn't engage with the idea that the Jews from the beginning have had a maximalist, expansive agenda.
That's the expansionist agenda.
That's the point.
destiny steven bonnell
And here's the fundamental.
nick fuentes
When we talk about the people in the Gaza Strip and whether they feel justified in attacking Israel, Destiny's argument is that there is no legitimate grievance against Israel.
That Israel is a fool.
Israel wandered in there and bought up land and said, Oh, I guess we have land.
Oh, let's make a deal.
Oh, the Arabs hate us for no reason.
Now we got to kill them all.
Oh, we have to lock them in a concentration camp because they keep throwing rocks at us.
unidentified
Oops.
nick fuentes
And so, in other words, the argument about Israel-Palestine comes down to, you know, who has legitimate claim, who has legitimate grievance.
And Destiny says the Muslims have no legitimate grievance because there has never been an agenda to deprive them of their land.
The counterargument is that the Israelis have antagonized and provoked the entire muslim world by settling and taking the land and then expanding and be and by the way being a very provocative state and conducting assassinations and and sending like bombing syria and doing all these kinds of things putting civilian settlements in the west bank since 1967
And so that's the argument is, is Israel a state that is hated for being Jewish and they have to defend themselves?
Or are they a belligerent actor in the region, they have this agenda, it has alienated them from these other countries, and these other countries have legitimate beef with Israel?
That's why he keeps coming back to it and saying, well, but the Zionists from the beginning had an agenda to take Judea and Samaria as the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
They don't call it Palestine.
They don't call it the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
They call it Judea and Samaria.
Because they see that as ancient Israel, ancient Jewish land.
They have the intention, because they reject calling it the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, that means their intention is to incorporate it.
They don't recognize that it's Palestinian.
They don't recognize that it's Arab or Muslim.
They see it as future Israel.
So when they do these maneuvers like the current Gaza War, it's not about attacking Hamas.
It's about integrating what they see as rightful Jewish land in the future.
And they will push people off the land to do that.
And then the people that get pushed off are going to hate them forever.
And they're kind of justified in hating them.
But Destiny says, oh no, they weren't pushed off because of this agenda.
They were pushed off because they were terrorists.
They had to be pushed off.
They attacked Israel first because they hate Jews.
That's what the debate is about.
Now, he's going to answer this and say that the Arabs shouldn't have ever attacked.
That should have been their strategy, but you know, oh, well, well.
destiny steven bonnell
And the whole world, including the United States and Britain, by the way, would have been on their side.
If they think that Israel has territorial conquest on the mind, they should have waited for them to do territorial conquest.
unidentified
You deny that is OK.
So even today, what would you make of the.
Do you actually.
So you've talked about international norms and so on to try to justify the 67 more.
Surely you'd agree that the fourth, if you've been reading up on this, and this is the United States position for decades before Trump, that Israel's settlement in the occupied territories in breach of UN 242, which they had agreed to, you would surely agree that this is a war crime.
And that's not a moralistic term.
That's just a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
Civilian settlements in occupied territory are a war crime.
And two, this is obviously revanchist and ideological in nature.
They call the West Bank Judea and Samaria.
That's an evocation of ancient history.
So that's not Western values.
Wait, am I going to answer this question or are you asking me a question?
I don't know when they agreed to leave the Occupied Territories.
Maybe I haven't gotten up to that.
I haven't done a thorough reading of the Camp David stuff or the Oslo Accords yet, so maybe they agreed to leave.
Oh my gosh, dude!
of God or ancient history, but go ahead.
destiny steven bonnell
Okay, I don't know when they agreed to leave the occupied territories.
Maybe I haven't gotten up to that.
I haven't done a thorough reading of the Camp David stuff or the Oslo Accords yet, so maybe they agreed to leave.
nick fuentes
Oh my gosh, dude.
Dude.
unidentified
He didn't get to that part yet.
nick fuentes
It's like, bro, it's like it's a novel.
I didn't get to that chapter yet.
I didn't get to Oslo Accords or Camp David, bro.
I didn't get to 1979 yet.
unidentified
What?
nick fuentes
So his knowledge of Israel and Palestine Is up to date in the 70s.
He's up to... If he didn't get to Camp David yet, I guess he's at what?
unidentified
73?
nick fuentes
Did he get to Anwar Sadat being assassinated yet?
unidentified
He's at 73.
nick fuentes
He's at the... Presumably he's at the... I don't even know if he's at the Yom Kippur War yet.
He didn't get to Oslo.
He didn't get to Camp David.
Did he get to...
Did he get to the Yom Kippur War yet, or is he still on the Six-Day War?
I don't know.
His knowledge is as recent as 1967, I guess.
Because I assume if he didn't get to Camp David, maybe he got to Yom Kippur, but I don't know.
We haven't gotten to Yom Kippur yet.
So, he's at... I think his knowledge is stuck at 1967.
It's current in 67.
destiny steven bonnell
So I haven't gotten to that point yet.
unidentified
Okay.
Wait a second.
destiny steven bonnell
Hold on.
Hold on.
You said UN Resolution 242.
Was that the same UN resolution that also... I love his face when he does this.
unidentified
Hold on.
nick fuentes
Hold on.
Is that that thing I read on Wikipedia about yesterday?
destiny steven bonnell
So called for every Arab surrounding state to recognize Israel's existence and their borders?
unidentified
Correct.
destiny steven bonnell
Egypt has and Jordan has.
And any other Arab countries?
Do you see the problem?
nick fuentes
Do you see the problem?
Hey, dipshit.
I know geography is in your strong suit.
But this is a map.
unidentified
Okay, so I understand.
destiny steven bonnell
So now you ask me.
unidentified
The West Bank was more dangerous.
How does the West Bank...
nick fuentes
Look at the live chat.
unidentified
Ha ha ha!
nick fuentes
Ain't no way!
Oh snap!
BTFO!
Wait, is this the same UN 242 where the surrounding Arab countries agreed to recognize Israel and normalize ties?
And he goes, well, yeah, they did.
Egypt and Jordan did.
And Destiny goes, Egypt and Jordan and who else?
Okay, this is a map of the Middle East.
So there's Egypt, there's Jordan.
So in other words, and by the way, this is the occupied West Bank and this is the Gaza Strip.
So let's look at the border of the Gaza Strip.
That's Egypt.
That's Israel.
That's the Eastern Mediterranean Sea.
And this is the borders of the West Bank.
That's Israel.
That's Jordan.
Okay?
But this is your big O.
Oh, okay.
Well, Israel agreed to leave, or I should say stop, expanding civilian settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip until surrounding Arab countries normalize ties.
Oh, but only Egypt and Jordan normalize ties.
Okay, but that's who borders Israel.
That's who borders the occupied territories.
That's crazy.
unidentified
Justified, though.
The West Bank was Jordanian.
destiny steven bonnell
It was Jordanian.
Why did they lose it?
unidentified
Jordan has normalized ties with Israel.
They are now a bloc.
nick fuentes
Yeah, and that's the point.
Jordan occupied the West Bank.
Egypt occupied Gaza.
Both of those countries border the occupied territories.
unidentified
To get out of the West Bank.
destiny steven bonnell
That's fine.
nick fuentes
And look at the live chat.
BTFO.
But what about this other thing?
Like I said, fucking idiots that watch this.
destiny steven bonnell
Fine, okay.
That they have normalized ties.
I don't know what the agreement is going to look like on giving that territory back, but historically, one, during the Six Day War... And then Destiny goes, okay, fine.
nick fuentes
Maybe they did recognize Israel.
Again, he would be forgiven for not knowing that because Camp David, and he didn't get to Camp David, and normalization of Jordan happened 20 years later.
So... Destiny can be forgiven for not knowing that because in his...
That's fine.
destiny steven bonnell
That's fine, okay?
That they've normalized ties.
I don't know what the agreement is going to look like on giving that territory back, but historically, one, during the Six-Day War, the West Bank was used to stage war against Israel, okay?
Not just during the Six-Day War, but in the decades prior to that, with Palestinian attacks Back and forth coming from that territory right number one So that's so that's Israel's justification of the six-day war for capturing it for quote-unquote security concerns Okay, number two all of this territory from the western part of Jordan has been used to attack Israel, right?
That's where the PLO started PLO got so big and violent there led by Arafat They literally tried to assassinate Hussein twice and they tried to- Where has the PLO died since 2005?
nick fuentes
This is all just irrelevant Let's go back to the notepad, okay?
Let's go back to the notepad.
So, we reach an impasse on the cause of the precipitating causes of the Suez Crisis and the 67 War.
So, History Speaks says, well surely you'd agree, that if closing of Strait of Turan
constitutes an act of war in 1936, then you'd agree that civilian settlements in the West Bank, legal war crime,
Also constitutes an act of war.
Because that was the argument.
Destiny said, well, closing shipping lanes is a legitimate cause for war.
He said that Israel has a right to attack the Arab neighbors because of Nasser's actions.
Because Nasser's closing, throughout history, disputes over shipping routes are a cause for war.
So that means Israel has a right to go to war.
So history speaks responses as well.
If you would agree that closing a shipping route constitutes an act of war, that's a sufficient Cossus Belli, he says then, what about the West Bank?
In the West Bank, Israel has not only militarily occupied the West Bank since 1967, but they've also put civilian settlements, meaning they don't just have the military controlling the security of the West Bank, but they also have civilians coming in and buying land and creating communities.
Which, by the way, that's like the definition of a colony.
That'd be like if when the United States invades Iraq, Americans start moving there and creating communities and saying this is now part of the United States.
That'd be like if we invaded Afghanistan and the United States was sending Americans to go and build condominiums and suburban housing projects and they started saying this is now an American city.
So, civilian settlements, again, and History Speaks says it and it's true, this is internationally condemned by the United Nations, this is against American policy, it's been the position of every American president since 67 to condemn the civilian settlements, and it's by definition a war crime.
So History Speaks says, if closing the Strait of Tehran is a war crime, then civilian settlements in the West Bank are a war crime by definition.
And therefore, that gives these other countries a right to go to war with Israel.
So, Destiny jumps in and says, and he tries to muddle the waters about 242.
And this is again where the debating sophistry comes in.
Because HS also says, he says, well, Israel agreed in UN 242 to leave the West Bank.
Stephen Bonnell, Stephen Bonnell, says, but UN 242 also said that Arab countries must recognize Israel.
Ha!
says uh well but jordan and egypt which occupied the west bank and gaza whoops did recognize israel and then banel says okay fine but the west bank and gaza were used to stage well he said to stage war
I'll say attacks because I'm literate and then what did he say right after that I I forget.
He doesn't admit it again.
unidentified
history from half a century ago.
destiny steven bonnell
Okay, maybe that, listen, I'm being honest, okay?
I don't, I haven't.
unidentified
18 years, the last 18 years are justified because of this history from half a century ago.
destiny steven bonnell
The eastern part of Jordan has been used to attack Israel, right?
That's where the PLO started.
The PLO got so...
nick fuentes
And then he says...
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
So again, here's how he argues. - Yes.
Here's how he, this is, it's not just about the thing in itself, but it's also about the debating.
So, H.S.
says, well, if closing the Strait of Tiran constitutes an act of war, you'd agree that civilian settlements in the West Bank, which are a legal war crime, also constitutes an act of war.
And then he adds on, and this was unnecessary, this should not have been said, he said, but Israel agreed, and also Israel even agreed, to UN 242 to leave the West Bank. - Yeah.
Now, here's the tactic that Stephen Bunnell, excuse me, does.
Is he targets, he sort of isolates weakest, he isolates the weakest argument.
Right?
That's what's happening here.
Because what history speaks is saying he's drawing a comparison and making an if-then statement.
If in your opinion, if in your normative opinion, it is wrong for Nasser to close the Strait of Tiran and shut down or nationalize the Suez Canal, if that justifies war by Israel, well, the occupied territories constitutes a war crime because civilian settlements are by definition a war crime.
Even Israel agrees.
Now, Bunnell jumps in and he ignores the fact that the West Bank settlements are illegal.
He ignores the fact that he's basically been checkmated here.
If you think closing Strait of Trans is an act of war, well, the civilian settlements are just as bad, if not worse.
So why does that not justify war by the Arabs or by the Palestinians?
But Bunnell doesn't engage with that.
Destiny doesn't engage with that.
He isolates this part and says, well, wait a second, but didn't UN 242 also say this?
And History Speaks says, well, yeah, and that's legit.
Didn't it say that Arab... Yeah, okay, Israel wants to leave the West Bank, but didn't that also include something else?
And everyone goes, whoa, BTFO, you just won the argument.
He didn't win the argument.
Even if this part were deleted, this would still remain.
This contradiction would remain.
Also, he's wrong.
Because he isolates this part and introduces new information to make HS look bad and says, well, but didn't that also have another stipulation which was met?
And he says, well, yes, Jordan and Egypt did recognize Israel.
So Benel just downplays that.
He just dismisses that like it didn't happen.
Uh, never mind.
So he basically then just gishgalves past that and says, okay, never mind.
But the West Bank and Gaza were used to stage attacks against Israel.
Which has nothing to do with this.
It has nothing to do with the point.
The point is that the civilian settlements are the West... We're not talking about militarily occupying the West Bank.
We're talking about civilian settlements.
Understand the difference?
We had American military bases in Iraq.
We didn't have civilian settlements.
We had military bases in Afghanistan.
We didn't have civilian settlements.
We had military bases in Vietnam.
We didn't have civilian settlements.
So he says civilian settlements are a war crime.
That's illegal.
And if all war crimes justify preemptive wars, then Israel's occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip justifies war by the Palestinians.
But now he doesn't engage.
He picks out this part and asks a question, which he doesn't know the answer to, and then dismisses it when he hears it.
And then he just blows right past and says, OK, but Israel says they're in the West Bank because the West Bank was used to stage attacks against Israel.
Okay, but even if the West Bank, and it's true, but since the West Bank is used as a staging ground to attack Israel, then you militarily occupy the West Bank.
It doesn't mean that it's not a war crime to put civilian settlements.
If you put in civilian settlements, they're not going to help.
How does putting civilian settlements in the West Bank prevent the West Bank from being used as a staging ground?
It's about the military occupation, the military occupation, which nobody has an issue with that.
Necessarily.
Nobody necessarily... The United Nations did not disavow Israel securing Gaza, or rather the West Bank.
They had a problem with Israel's civilian settlements in the West Bank.
Civilians don't stop the West Bank from being used.
The military prevents the West Bank from being used.
The civilian settlements are illegal.
The military is not.
And then he just jumps into information that's totally extraneous and says, uh, well, they had used the West Bank and the PLO is so bad that they almost killed the King of Jordan.
Okay, so what?
What does that have to do with anything?
destiny steven bonnell
Big and violent there, led by Arafat.
They literally tried to assassinate Hussein twice.
nick fuentes
And listen to, like, his tone.
He clearly doesn't know what he's talking about, so then he just talks like he's confident.
unidentified
The PLO is so bad, they almost assassinated the king twice!
nick fuentes
It's like, that's extraneous information.
That's completely extraneous information.
That has nothing to do with this.
That has nothing to do with civilian settlements.
The claim is about illegal civilian settlements in the West Bank, and he's saying, well, the PLO is bad.
The PLO is so bad!
Okay, I know you're excited, you read the Wikipedia yesterday, but that's extraneous.
destiny steven bonnell
And then, you know, H.S.
unidentified
jumps in and says, okay.
destiny steven bonnell
Because, ostensibly, Bonnell is arguing that, you know, whatever Israel does in the West Bank is justified because the PLO is so bad.
unidentified
And H.S.
So settlements for 18 years, the last 18 years are justified because of this history.
nick fuentes
And then, you know, HS jumps in and says, okay.
Because ostensibly, Banel is arguing that, you know, whatever Israel does in the West Bank is justified because the PLO is so bad.
And HS says, well, you know, the PLO, PLO violence is actually down since 2005.
Therefore, why does Israel expand settlements in the West Bank?
In other words, if Israel has to do civilian settlements in the West Bank, which is nonsensical, then why would they expand settlements when the violence is abating?
If the violence is going down, the settlements are going up.
So that's not it.
And that, by the way, arrives at the fundamental point, which is that Israel has an ideological agenda to expand.
destiny steven bonnell
a century ago okay maybe that i'm listen i'm being honest okay i don't i haven't gotten to the last 20 or 30 years of history i'm still working my way out there but i do know that from the six-day war before and on resonate who's saying twice and they tried to kill since 2005 in terms of violence i don't know what they've done since 2005 but i'm just telling you that why is it so settlements for 18 years or rather he says plo hasn't done anything
nick fuentes
i misheard him .
What has PLO done since 2005?
I don't know.
I don't know.
unidentified
The last 18 years are justified because of this history from half a century ago.
destiny steven bonnell
Okay, maybe that's where the PLO started.
PLO got so big and violent there, led by Arafat, they literally tried to assassinate Hussein twice.
unidentified
What has the PLO done since 2005 in terms of violence?
destiny steven bonnell
I don't know what they've done since 2005, but I'm just telling you that- Why is it?
unidentified
So settlements for 18 years, the last 18 years, are justified because of this history from half a century ago?
destiny steven bonnell
Okay, maybe the- Listen, I'm being honest, okay?
I don't- I haven't gotten to the last 20 or 30 years of history yet.
I'm still working my way up there.
But I do know that from the Six Day War before and onward, the West Bank was a very good staging area for lots of attacks into Israel.
nick fuentes
Very good.
destiny steven bonnell
I'm gonna guess that if I keep reading, that probably continues to be the case to some extent.
nick fuentes
Maybe it's not!
destiny steven bonnell
Okay, maybe it's not.
nick fuentes
Oh my god, I fucking hate this guy!
I fucking hate this guy.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
So what is it?
nick fuentes
The weasel words at this part is crazy.
It's crazy.
destiny steven bonnell
I'm still working my way up there.
But I do know that from the Six-Day War before and onward, the West Bank was a very good staging area for lots of attacks into Israel, right?
I'm going to guess that if I keep reading, that probably continues to be the case to some extent.
nick fuentes
Maybe it's not.
destiny steven bonnell
OK, maybe it's not.
My guess is it's probably going to be- Do you think- Uh-huh?
unidentified
Do you think civilians- No, no.
But why are- This is a big- I mean, really.
nick fuentes
So he's lost the debate twice now.
He's already lost the- we're halfway through about- no, not even.
Oh, we're a quarter of the way through.
He's lost the debate twice.
Okay?
And I'll scroll up here so you can see.
But so- this is the second part where he lost.
So History Speaks says, you would agree that if closing- since you- since closing the Strait of Tiran constitutes an act of war in your mind, Then the war crime of the civilian settlements is also an act of war.
Even Israel agreed that it's an act of war.
Or rather, even Israel agreed to leave and evacuate those settlements.
Benel isolates that part.
And says, well, but that also said that the Arab countries would have to recognize Israel.
Okay, history speaks as they did.
But El says, okay, fine.
But the West Bank and Gaza were used to stage attacks against Israel in 1967.
And the PLO was so bad they assassinated the King of Jordan.
History speaks as well.
Okay, but what is the PLO done since 2005 and there and therefore because the settlements have been an ongoing problem from 67 to today So in other words, he's saying yeah, maybe the PLO was a problem from 1948 to 67 and afterward But what have they done in the last 18 years?
In other words, if civilian settlements are justified by the barbarity of the PLO, where's the PLO been for 18 years?
Settlements keep coming, but the PLO has disappeared.
Benal says, I don't know.
I don't know what the PLO has done since 2005.
I don't know what I'm talking about.
History Speaks says, okay, so settlement expansion for 18 years, since 2005, is justified because of what the PLO did in the 60s and before?
Then, this is where he loses.
He says, well, I really don't know what I'm talking about.
But I'm going to talk anyway.
Even though I have no idea what I'm talking about, I'm going to keep talking anyway.
Before 1967, and during 1967, the West Bank was a very good staging ground.
unidentified
Whoops.
And then this is even better.
nick fuentes
So he just doubles down.
This has already been answered.
This was already taken care of.
He said this before.
He's just restating the thing that he said before, which is debunked.
Well, uh, I don't, I really don't know what I'm talking about.
I can't answer your counter-argument, so I'll just restate what I said before, and I'll take it a step further, and I'll just make a guess.
I'm going to guess that later on, probably, that will continue to some extent, but maybe not.
I'm like, so then you get these more, so then you get more weasel words.
So on this one, you get one, I don't know, two, restate,
Restate the argument and then three wild guess I'll guess I'll guess that I'm probably right to some extent But maybe not That's the argument that that's your argument I
So let's just rewrite the whole thing.
Let's just structure it without all the noise.
Okay.
If Israel is justified in preemptive war because of the, let's say, blockade of Strait of Tehran,
then in its war because then in its war because the civilian settlements are equal to or worse than the closure of the Strait.
So let's say it's 0.1, oops, This note, I need to get a better notes app, because this sucks.
Point one, point two.
Well, it's really, it's all one point, but it's an if-then statement.
Let's leave it just like that, I guess.
So Destiny replies and says, so let's just delete this part about UN242 because that's just as irrelevant.
unidentified
comments.
nick fuentes
So then what destiny's argument basically is is that well civilian settlements are justified because the PLO used the West Bank as a staging ground 1967 and before
okay and then HS says okay well settlements have been going on since 2005 but the DLO hasn't done anything well then doesn't he just says well
I don't know what has happened since 1967
some extent probably it's the same but maybe not it's like that's so this is this is really the argument i mean when you and that that's why you have to stop and break it down i know maybe this seems like tedious okay i'll admit this is really tedious
But the point is, is that when you slow it down, and you actually, like, think about what is being said, like, the content, not just the words, like, absolutely huge, throughout all of history, to some extent, probably, maybe not, when you actually just break it down, this is what is being said.
This has not been answered, by the way.
This argument must be answered.
If Israel is justified in preemptive war because of the blockade of the strait, then Palestine is justified because of the civilian settlements.
The rest has nothing even to do with this.
And unfortunately, HS just engages anyway.
Because he's right.
And, you know, the civilian, because like I said, civilian settlements have nothing to do with the PLO.
Okay, because the Israeli military is occupying the West Bank.
So that is accounted for, in other words.
The PLO is accounted for by the fact that Israel is occupying the West Bank.
Militarily.
Civilian settlements are the war crime.
He says, well, you know, whatever Israel does is justified because of the PLO.
And this is where the devil is in the details.
And he's basically arguing on the basis that because there is a hostility towards Israel, because there have been wars in the past, Israel can do whatever it wants.
Israel can militarily occupy, Israel can do civilian settlements.
Why?
Because 60 years ago, this happened.
But that doesn't even make any sense.
Because Israel's actions, by its own standard, are an act of war that would justify a response.
So the logic isn't there.
It totally falls apart.
Israel can do whatever it wants because the PLO used the West Bank.
Okay, well, the PLO isn't using the West Bank right now.
Okay, well, I don't really even know what I'm talking about, but I'm gonna guess, he says, and then it's those weasel words.
He's gonna take a position while saying he's not.
I don't really know what I'm talking about.
I don't even have a position, but I'm about to take a position.
And even though I don't know what I'm talking about, I'm gonna make a claim.
And I'm gonna claim that the PLO did that and I'm gonna claim that the West Bank has been used as a staging ground for attacks.
I guess.
Probably that's true to some extent.
But maybe not.
And he says it that way too.
But maybe not.
But maybe not.
And it's like, so, you don't know what you're talking about.
You have no clue.
You admit it.
You say you're not taking a position, but you are.
You say you don't know what you're talking about, but yet you act as though you do.
And then, when you make a wild conjecture based on knowledge that you don't have, you use weasel words to sort of obfuscate that that's what you're doing.
And sound confident?
Well, I'm gonna guess that I'm sure.
When I continue reading, I'm gonna find more of the same.
Probably, to some extent, but maybe not.
It's like, you are not... All that is, is just a bag of verbal tricks.
It's literally verbal.
Because when you make it non-verbal, when you write it down, it doesn't make sense.
When you make it non-verbal, and you write it on paper, without the tonality, without the rhetoric, when you remove the words, Like earlier when he says, uh, it's an absolutely huge part of why countries go to war.
It's like, okay, let's remove, let's remove absolutely huge part.
Because at that point, these are really just loaded supplemental adjectives.
And their purpose is rhetorical.
That's like saying, you know, the Israeli takeover of Palestine is absolutely the hugest settlement that has ever happened.
Absolutely the worst, hugest, most bad in the history of the world sort of settlement that has ever happened.
So he lost the debate right there.
I want to see if he has anything to say.
Well, the responses after that, because that that's that's you lost.
That's a TKO.
That's a technical knockout.
unidentified
There would be some argument they could have under international law for a military presence if they could articulate that.
Why are civilian settlements?
It was just like some white girl from Brooklyn coming there and getting a house and kicking the people off by buying it or by some kind of fake government thing saying, The indigenous people have committed some kind of offense.
Why are civilian settlements in the West Bank good for Israel's security?
It seems to me, obviously, about taking the land.
destiny steven bonnell
Again, I'm not current on this, but my huge intuition, educated guess, I guess, is I don't know what I'm talking about, but what my huge intuition and educated guess.
nick fuentes
How is it an educated guess if you don't know?
My huge, not my intuition.
I'm not, I'm not taking a shot in the dark.
It's my big intuition and my educated guess.
Even though you're not educated.
destiny steven bonnell
...is that my guess is that Israel probably wants to annex the West Bank officially.
That's my guess.
I don't know if that's true 100%.
That's my guess.
unidentified
No, but civilian settlements are also a war crime.
destiny steven bonnell
They're a war crime.
That's fine.
unidentified
I don't care.
Hold on.
destiny steven bonnell
I don't care.
None of my, like, calculus in this area has to do with what we consider to be, like, a war crime.
unidentified
What?!
nick fuentes
What?! !
None of my, well I don't care if it's a war crime, none of my calculus has anything to do with that, but he said that Israel was justified in their preemptive war in 67 because it was a war crime!
So 15 minutes ago, Israel's preemptive war against Syria and Egypt and Iraq is totally justified because Egypt committed an act of war.
And same thing in the Suez Crisis.
15 minutes later, well, the civilian settlements are a war crime too.
Well, I don't care about what's a war crime.
Okay, so do you or don't you?
unidentified
You mentioned closing waterways has been a historical norm for war, and now- now international law doesn't matter.
destiny steven bonnell
It's- no, no, I'm just saying that, like, when I'm looking at, like, justifications for either side, what I'm thinking of is like a- like a war crime or not.
It's not, like, I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation on the ground.
Like, for instance, it might- What?
nick fuentes
Dude, what?
Let's- let's play that back in 0.75 and write it down, and let's see how fucking stupid that sounds when you don't say it with any confidence.
unidentified
Hold on.
destiny steven bonnell
I don't care.
None of my calculus in this area has to do with what we consider to be a war crime.
unidentified
You mentioned closing waterways has been a historical norm for war, and now international law doesn't matter.
destiny steven bonnell
No, no.
I'm just saying that when I'm looking at justifications for either side, what I'm thinking of is like a war crime or not.
I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation.
nick fuentes
Even when he's... It sounds like when he's losing, he talks faster, so you don't really hear what he's saying and how stupid it is.
unidentified
This area has to do with what we consider to be, like, a war zone.
You mentioned closing waterways has been a historical norm for war, and now international law doesn't matter.
destiny steven bonnell
It's no no I'm just saying that like when I'm looking at like justifications for either side what I'm thinking of is like like a war crime or not is not like I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation.
nick fuentes
Well I'm gonna have to literally go to whoops is there a transcript?
It's literally too fast.
Even at 0.5 speed.
The evasion and the dodge, it's happening at the speed of light.
I'll just copy it from the transcript.
So, So he says no.
No, I'm just saying that like when I'm looking at like justifications for either side what I'm thinking of is like a like a war crime or not is like I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation on the ground.
Oh, okay.
Oh, okay.
Well that clears it up.
Well, that totally clears it up, right?
You know, because H.S.
is like, wait a second.
You don't care about what's a war crime?
But you just said that Israel's justified because Egypt committed a war crime.
What's your response?
No.
I'm just saying that, like, when I'm looking at, like, justifications for either side, what I'm thinking of is, like, a war crime or not is, like, I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation on the ground.
unidentified
Right?
nick fuentes
Wait, but you just totally contradicted yourself.
You just completely contradicted what you said.
You just totally... What?
What you said contradicted what you just said 15 minutes ago.
And that's the standard by which you're evaluating the conflict.
So that's a big problem, logically.
What do you say about this?
No!
I'm just saying that, like, when I'm looking at, like, justifications for either side, what I'm thinking of is, like, uh, like a war crime or not is, like, uh, it's not like I'm just trying to look at, like, the reality of the situation on the ground.
Oh, okay.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Thanks for the clarification.
I thought there was a deep contradiction at the center of your argument, but it turns out that that is actually the case.
Oh, I thought that there is a deep, fundamental contradiction at the core of your argument, but no, but you cleared that all up with what you just said.
What a fucking idiot, dude.
What a fucking idiot.
Write that in your text document.
unidentified
Can somebody clip that?
destiny steven bonnell
just saying that like when i'm looking at like justifications for either side what i'm thinking of is like a like a war crime or not is not like i'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation on the ground like for instance can somebody clip that can somebody clip just that part of this and post it on twitter and maybe the part that preceded it you
unidentified
historical norm for war and now now calculus in this area has to do with what we consider to be like you mentioned closing waterways it's like 2655 if you could clip it from like 2655 to 2707 has been a historical norm for war and now now international law doesn't matter yeah
destiny steven bonnell
It's, no no, I'm just saying that like, when I'm looking at like, justifications for either side, what I'm thinking of is like a, like a war crime or not, is not, like, I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation on the ground.
nick fuentes
Like for in- I could just play this over and over again.
destiny steven bonnell
Calculus in this area has to do with what we consider to be like, a war crime.
unidentified
You mentioned closing waterways has been a historical norm for war, and now, now international law doesn't matter.
destiny steven bonnell
No, no, I'm just saying that, like, when I'm looking at, like, justifications for either side, what I'm thinking of is, like, a war crime or not, is not, like, I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation on the ground.
Like, for instance, it might be the case that if Israel stops committing everything that you would consider a war crime, that the next day Israel is eliminated from the face of the earth because the entire Arab League decides we're going to come back and destroy them as a country, right?
In which case, Israel's probably not very motivated to think, like, well, what we're doing in terms of this military occupation of these controlled territories, and saying, so that's a war crime.
I'm thinking of it that way.
nick fuentes
Oh, what?
Dude, what?
unidentified
Oh my gosh, dude, this guy is so dumb.
nick fuentes
All right, I'm gonna wrap this up in a minute because I've got to cover the debate in like an hour.
I want to take a little break because I've been streaming for a long time and I got to come back here in like one hour to do the... I've been streaming for five hours and I'm gonna be doing the... what time is the debate?
Public and debate tonight.
What time is it?
Okay, so I'm gonna be coming back in one hour So tune in here on rumble because I'll be coming back here on rumble in one hour To watch the third GOP presidential debate.
Okay, so I'm gonna wrap this stream up in a minute and I'm gonna take a quick break and then I'll be right back to cover the debate and I'll read the if there's any super chats.
I don't know if there are but if there's super chats, I'll read them real quick But I just want to point out Like this.
This is the last thing I'll say I'll just cover this part.
I think it's a good stopping point You mentioned closing waterways has been a historical norm that justifies war now international law doesn't matter and No, I'm saying that, like, when I'm looking at, like, justifications for either side, what I'm thinking of is, like, a war crime or not is, like, I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation on the ground.
And then he basically says this.
He says that, um... Let me play it back.
He said, if the Arab League... If the Arab League goes to war with Israel to kill them all, then they're not worried about what's a war crime.
It's, like, that is... It doesn't resolve the contradiction.
destiny steven bonnell
I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation on the ground.
Like for instance, it might be the case that if Israel stops committing everything that you would consider a war crime.
nick fuentes
If Israel stops committing war crimes.
destiny steven bonnell
That the next day Israel is eliminated from the face of the earth.
nick fuentes
The next day Israel is eliminated from the face of the earth.
Literally, that's literally what he just said.
If Israel stops committing war crimes.
unidentified
It will be eliminated from the face of the earth.
destiny steven bonnell
Because the entire Arab League decides we're going to come back and destroy them as a country, right?
unidentified
Well, yeah, okay.
destiny steven bonnell
And then, more weasel words, probably.
In which case, Israel is probably not very motivated.
to think like, well, what we're doing.
nick fuentes
And then more weasel words, probably.
In which case, Israel is probably not very motivated, whatever the fuck that means.
destiny steven bonnell
What we're doing in terms of this military occupation of the...
nick fuentes
To think that in terms of their...
We're talking about civilians, dipshit.
He doesn't even know!
He literally doesn't even know the difference because he's started reading about these controlled territories.
destiny steven bonnell
That's a war crime.
They're probably not thinking of it.
unidentified
Nice.
you That way.
nick fuentes
And then he's satisfied with that.
Then he's satisfied with that.
Then he goes like that.
Done.
Q.E.D.
It might be the case that if Israel stops committing war crimes, it will be eliminated from the face of the earth.
In which case, Israel's probably not very motivated to think that in terms of their military occupation, etc, etc.
They're probably not thinking of it that way.
But it's a civilian, that's the whole point, the civilian settlements are a war crime.
Which you said that actions like that are a legitimate justification for war.
And then he said, well, I don't care what the definition of war crime is, I care about the reality on the ground.
And the reality on the ground is that if Israel doesn't commit their war crimes, then war crimes will be committed against them.
unidentified
Oh, gotcha.
nick fuentes
And that would be bad because what war crimes are bad?
Terrible dude.
And people think he won this.
Destiny has studied this conflict for five days.
It shows!
And it shows he doesn't even know the difference between a civilian and military occupation.
That's the whole point!
That's been the point for 60 years.
But he hasn't read anything!
He doesn't even know!
Maybe he didn't even finish.
He's on day three of the Six-Day War.
He doesn't know that since the end of the Six-Day War, the outstanding issue is these civilian settlements.
But maybe he didn't even finish the Six-Day War.
He's on day three of the Six-Day War.
He's been studying it for five days.
So he's on day five of the Six-Day War.
And he completely dismantled every talking point.
Really?
He dismantled it?
Did he dismantle it when he was confronted with a glaring contradiction and said, I'm just saying that like when I'm looking at like justifications for either side, what I'm thinking of is like a, like a war crime or not.
It's not like I'm just trying to look at the reality of the situation.
Was that, did he dismantle him there?
He stopped him in his tracks.
Did he dismantle him when he said if Israel stops committing war crimes will be eliminated from the face of the earth Bravo let's get a load of this one PhD here.
I was a student.
When I was a student, I noticed that there was nothing worse than a PhD student.
They know enough to think they know everything, yet they still don't know anything.
So you get this annoying know-it-all attitude.
That's crazy.
Wow.
Imagine that.
That's crazy.
Imagine someone who doesn't know anything with a know-it-all attitude.
That would be, whoa.
That would suck.
Imagine if that was this entire fucking channel.
Imagine being a PhD student of history and not knowing history LMFAO.
Imagine not being able to name every American state and place it on a map.
Unreal, dude.
That's crazy.
Alright, we'll play one more round of this, I'll do the super chats, and then I'm gonna go, and then I'll be back, okay?
That's insane.
unidentified
That makes my head hurt, dude.
nick fuentes
I know for you guys this is like tedious, I'm sure.
It makes my head hurt.
I'm gonna take an ibuprofen in a minute.
Oh damn, there's a Trump rally going on?
roseanne barr
So tired of the deep state bullshit!
unidentified
Perfect timing.
roseanne barr
I can't hear you.
I want you to say it louder.
unidentified
aren't we all fed up with the deep state bullshit yeah that's about right and And the bullshit!
roseanne barr
We want Trump, the Magador, to kill that goddamn bull!
unidentified
And the bullshit, kill that goddamn bull!
roseanne barr
I love you.
Thank you for having me tonight.
Oh, I forgot my assignment. - I don't know.
I got too excited.
The next person up here is a beautiful woman.
She's a lovely person with a wonderful sense of humor who helped me celebrate my birthday, which was just last week.
But I've been down here in Florida for three weeks totally celebrating my birthday for three whole weeks.
It's just been wonderful.
And, uh, she is married.
She's in the Trump family.
Also, I wanted to say, please, everybody, let's say a prayer of protection and love for the entire Trump family.
And I'm very proud to introduce to you KG!
Kimberly Garfoyle.
unidentified
Garfoyle, but, ugh.
nick fuentes
All right, let's do a little GeoGuessr.
That's great.
Yeah, that's just great.
Okay, so let's do this, and then we'll do Super Chats, and then I gotta go, okay?
I really gotta go now, but... I gotta play more GeoGuessr.
unidentified
I wanna play.
nick fuentes
Oh, what's this?
unidentified
On the... Oh, they're black.
nick fuentes
This is Africa.
This is clearly Africa.
unidentified
I don't know what it says on there.
Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh.
nick fuentes
Could be Haiti though, I don't know.
Palm trees, it's Haiti.
No, it's Haiti!
unidentified
Isn't it?
nick fuentes
I was right!
Damn it!
unidentified
It was just... Okay.
nick fuentes
I was right the first time.
Whatever.
Alaska!
Something Township.
Cafe something.
This is definitely America.
unidentified
Oh, I don't know.
nick fuentes
Could be California.
Could be California.
It's the Rockies though.
Now it's the Rocky Mountains.
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
Well, we're not... Okay, whatever.
Spanish.
Spanish flag.
There's a flag.
What flag is it though?
unidentified
I don't know.
Um... What color are they?
nick fuentes
They're brown.
Look like they're brown.
It's Mexico.
It's Mexico.
It's somewhere.
Oh, it's Peru.
It's South America.
South America.
It's the mountains.
unidentified
Hey, hey, hey!
Yup.
nick fuentes
I know my stuff.
And yeah, I know my stuff.
Okay, come on.
We got five minutes!
We got five minutes and it's loading?
This is my five free minutes.
This is my five free minutes of gameplay.
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
What's this now?
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
Oh, dude, I don't know.
unidentified
Come on.
Mountains.
Whatever.
nick fuentes
I didn't really have a chance to look at that.
What does this say?
De las is Spanish Merci?
unidentified
Ooh!
nick fuentes
It's French!
This is France.
This is clearly France.
boom yep got it yeah little clue like that and the game's over because i'm i'm really good at this let's see this is uh this is mexico this is spain this is spain not mexico this is italy it's already no it's south america no it's uh okay well Oh, we're close there.
All right, let's see.
What do we got here?
This is, uh, Canteen.
Tempu.
Oh, that's, uh, that's over here.
Tempu is in... What is that?
Thailand?
Yeah, this is Thailand.
I'm gonna get close on this one.
I'm gonna get real fucking close.
Oh, really?
Okay, whatever.
unidentified
Um, close enough.
nick fuentes
Muslim, Arab, this is an Arab place.
Okay, maybe Morocco.
unidentified
Maybe Morocco?
Maybe Middle East?
nick fuentes
It's looking kind of North Africa.
Let's say Algeria.
unidentified
Let's say Algeria.
nick fuentes
Ah, it was Jordan?
unidentified
Boo.
nick fuentes
Peace House.
Black, English-speaking.
unidentified
What else do we have here?
nick fuentes
Faglow?
Nigeria!
Yep, Nigeria.
unidentified
Boom.
nick fuentes
Got it.
I'm good, dude.
I'm good at this game.
unidentified
What does this say?
Safari It's Africa It's Africa somewhere.
But where?
I don't know.
Ah!
Kenya.
nick fuentes
Okay, so we got palm trees.
unidentified
So this is Western Hemisphere.
nick fuentes
Brazil!
This is Brazil, BR.
Isn't that what that stands for?
Or the Philippines.
I forgot about the Philippines.
unidentified
Bro!
nick fuentes
We're having fun.
Alright, whatever.
Okay, super chat, super chat.
Super chat section, my least favorite section.
All right, not a lot because I didn't tell you I'd be reading them.
unidentified
Oh, no, there's some I'll read the big ones John sent $100.
Thanks for the stream.
I appreciate it.
nick fuentes
Hey, thank you for the big super chat.
I Appreciate it.
Thank you very much.
Oh Seven's in chat for John with the huge super chat.
Oh, there's another big one.
unidentified
Oh Orthodox Zoomer sent $100.
Thank you, Nick, for exposing evil and leading many to Christ.
God grant you many years.
Some college kid.
nick fuentes
Hey, thank you very much for the big super chat.
God bless you, buddy.
Hey, you're welcome, man.
Thank you for the support.
I appreciate it.
Wow, this woman looks like a dog.
Look at this dog of a woman.
Look at this chud.
We got blacks for Trump, of course.
unidentified
Jeez.
All right, anyway.
nick fuentes
I don't know what Swabia is, but thank you for the big super chat.
I appreciate it.
I disagree about, you know, Jesus coming back soon.
I don't think we know, but I don't think it's happening soon.
That's dispensationalist talk.
I don't agree with any of that, but I appreciate the big super chat.
unidentified
The way that you said it, I'm never gonna do it just because of the way you said that.
pretty much a meme at this point that you would assume any request to stream it was a joke as well.
But you obviously are looking to stream something, and we both know Starfield is soulless garbage.
I know that your commentary during a Skyrim playthrough would be must watch.
Please consider.
nick fuentes
The way that you said it, I'm never gonna do it just because of the way you said that.
Just because the way you worded that made it sound gay as fuck.
I understand that you'd assume it was a joke, but you're obviously looking for something to stream, and we both know, shut the fuck up.
Who are you?
Do I know you?
Why are you talking to me like you know me?
We both know.
You don't know what- I don't- I don't play Starfield.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Bro thinks he knows me.
Oh, we both know.
Both know what?
How- You don't know what I know.
You don't know what I know or don't know.
And I- Soulless Car- Oh, I agree.
I know your commentary would be a must-watch.
Shut up.
You sound gay.
I'm bothering you.
unidentified
Is it really?
Let's go.
I'm gonna watch that.
Thank you.
Yeah, I needed to hear that because that Asian girl put me down.
You see Brandt's girlfriend called me ugly on that stream?
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nick fuentes
I needed to hear that because that Asian girl put me down.
You see Brant's girlfriend called me ugly on that stream?
Fucking bitch.
I didn't, you know, I didn't really need to hear that.
I was having kind of a rough week.
And then this, uh, this chubby little Asian bitch says, eww, Nick Fuentes, he's ugly.
You're fucking ugly, bitch.
I'm hot.
Thank you for saying that.
I needed that.
I needed a little, I needed a little boost, you know?
It costs nothing to be nice, you chubby little bitch.
She's on the stream and he goes, oh, are you dating Nick Fuentes?
She goes, ew, no.
He's ugly.
I'm ugly.
You're fucking ugly.
And I didn't need to hear that.
OK, I've been having a hard week.
I didn't need to hear a put down from some chubby little schlub.
Chubby little moon face.
Shut up.
I didn't like that.
That was not nice.
unidentified
All right.
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nick fuentes
Holla!
What up my man?
I appreciate you Justin.
Well, I got you.
I got you!
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unidentified
Do you like Warhammer 40k?
It's a tabletop game with based and fashy undertones and a medieval catholic aesthetic.
I haven't played it personally but the videos and lore go hard.
No way!
No way dude!
Based and fashy overtones and a medieval catholic aesthetic?
nick fuentes
Dude, who do you think I am?
What do you think this is?
What do you think this is anyhow?
Who do you think I am?
Bro thought that I would like that?
unidentified
Dude, it had basic fantasy aesthetics and Catholic undertones.
Oh boy, right up my alley!
nick fuentes
What do I look like, John Doyle?
That you're sending that garbage over here?
No, I've never played that.
I've heard about it, but I've never played that.
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nick fuentes
Hey, thank you Sewer Lizard!
Love you buddy, I appreciate you.
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Did you see that Luke Bernard created the first video game about the Holocaust?
Fortnite was not enough.
nick fuentes
Did he really?
That's awesome.
I bet this is the worst video game ever.
Unless you can play as the other side.
Does it allow you to play as the other side?
Because otherwise it doesn't really sound like a video game.
It doesn't even sound like a game.
It sounds like a... Some sort of educational computer program simulation.
That doesn't sound like a competi- Is it a puzzle game?
Is it like Escape from Auschwitz?
Is it a puzzle game where you have to solve logic puzzles to escape?
unidentified
Is it a first-person shooter?
nick fuentes
Revenge?
Revenge of the Jews or something?
What kind of game is this?
Doesn't sound like a game.
Sounds like it sucks.
unidentified
Sounds boring.
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You do great.
If I had more I would give it.
You helped me straighten out and now I have a wife and kids.
Before this content I was drug addicted to degenerate.
You probably helped a lot of PPL like me.
I'm glad to hear it, man.
nick fuentes
Thank you for the super chat.
Listen, you don't need to repay me.
I'm just glad you're in a good spot right now.
Because it's a tough world out there, you know?
And it's sad what's happening to people.
Really because they have no guidance.
Society is crumbling and people have a hard time without any kind of firm hand.
Without, you know, without solid parents or, you know, if they sort of lose their way.
There's no guardrails so as a consequence if people aren't, if people sort of stray off the right path.
There is nothing that will push them back on the right path.
There's nothing that will lead them back there.
So that's why people just, they'll get lost for decades with drugs, sexual relationships, uh, whatever, wasting time.
So I appreciate it, buddy.
No need to pay me back.
I'm just glad you're okay.
And I'm happy to hear you got a wife and kids.
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God bless you.
Thank you, ma'am.
Thank you, ma'am.
Glad you liked it.
I think Shapiro knows his stuff.
Bunnell and Shapiro have two different argumentation styles.
Shapiro asks infinite questions as though he has the historical high ground and never answers the question.
Bunnell rattles off a smash together transition and pretends his opponent agrees to him wanting to move on.
Both weasel approaches though.
Christ is king.
nick fuentes
I disagree.
I think Shapiro, Shapiro knows his stuff.
The thing is, Destiny is ignorant.
Shapiro is not.
Here's what I admire about Destiny.
What I admire about his approach.
He is a hard worker.
He puts in the hours, you know, and, well, I don't even know if I could say that again.
I used to say that.
I don't know if I even feel that way anymore.
Because the more that I watch of him, and I never watch anything from him, but lately I've been watching his content a little bit, and he's so ignorant.
So I don't even know if I feel that way.
I used to say, well, he's the king of the left, and he does his homework, but now that I see what he has to say, I'm like, no, this guy doesn't know anything.
This guy clearly doesn't read.
If you don't know what a map looks like, if you don't know where Israel is on a map, If you can't name half the countries in Africa, you don't read.
Like you don't read, you have no background, you have no general knowledge.
And that if you have no general knowledge, you probably have no narrow knowledge.
You're not bred wide or deep.
So I don't even know if I believe that anymore.
I used to say, well, he's a hard worker and stuff like that.
But sometimes I watch his streams and he's just saying nothing.
He's just playing a game and saying nothing.
Like, that's not hard work.
And the only reason he's on YouTube is because they banned everybody else that's mildly interesting.
I mean, Destiny, at least you could say that he's quick.
That's about it.
I don't even know if I feel this way anymore.
Shapiro, though, I'll say he's a hard worker.
He reads, and he's on top of it.
He knows his stuff, and he's a family man.
You know, he's responsible, a good husband, good father.
He's a good businessman.
So I give Shapiro a lot of credit.
I think he's disloyal to America, and his religion is wrong.
But other than that, I don't think he's a terrible guy.
I think he's dishonest, and he's a hypocrite.
I think he has no allegiance to America.
But he's a hard worker, he's a family guy, you know, and he's pretty financially successful, so you gotta give him credit for that stuff.
I know he wouldn't say, he wouldn't say, for me he would say, oh he's human garbage, he's human garbage, he's a Jew-hating scum.
You know, I know that doesn't go both ways, but I tell the truth, so.
Have to acknowledge stuff like that.
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Thanks for breaking down Destiny's Obfuscation.
It's been driving me nuts.
nick fuentes
Yeah, I don't know if people like that content or not.
I know it's super tedious, but like... It helps me because when you do a debate, it's all kind of up here.
It's all sort of floating in the air and people are just sort of saying things and putting things out there.
When you really put it on paper and break it down line by line, There's a logic to it.
It becomes a science.
You know, and I like to do that.
And more importantly to show people that this is not an intelligent person.
He's not smart.
He doesn't know what he's talking about and his arguments are weak.
He skates by on very limited knowledge.
He clearly does not have a lot of processing power.
And, um, as far as the argumentation goes, it's just, it's just tricks.
It's just verbal tricks.
And that's it.
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LethalAnimal sent $10, I'm the gay guy that asked about white nationalism last week.
THX for answering, expected, but still harsh to hear.
Even though it's impossible for me to just be straight, I still want to watch your content because it's educational hope that's okay.
We'll stay out of superchats, don't want to change the vibe.
nick fuentes
Well, look, I didn't intend for it to be harsh.
I mean, look, reality is harsh.
You know, God is harsh.
It's harsh for everybody.
To live and lead a moral life is harsh.
And if you are somebody that is used to doing what you feel like doing, it sounds impossible.
Because what does God tell you to do?
God tells you to I don't want to say reject this world, but we're told that we're in the world, we're not of it.
We were created by God.
We're created with a soul.
So we are in this world, but we're not from this world.
And so that means that we're not completely rejecting it, we're in it.
But we have to reject certain parts of it.
The world is beckoning us just like God is beckoning us, and we have to, to some extent, turn our back from worldly things.
And like I said, if you're used to doing what you feel like, that's difficult.
Because God says to fast, we feel like eating, but God says, deny yourself, don't eat.
That's harsh, that's difficult.
And God says to undertake some kind of sacrifice if you're Catholic every Friday and during Lent.
And periodically for other reasons.
And God says to go to Mass.
You know, we want to do what we want.
You know, who wants to be sitting in church on Sunday?
Now, if you love God, you do, but you know what I mean.
I don't know that if people did what they felt like doing, they'd be sleeping in.
Or they'd be watching TV.
They wouldn't be sitting in a pew and praying and all that stuff.
I don't know if that's what people feel like doing.
People feel like having sex with whoever they want, whenever they want.
People feel like watching porn.
People feel like jerking off.
People feel like hooking up with a chick.
But God tells us we have to get married to have sex.
And only to have sex a certain way.
We feel like doing a lot of things.
Um, but I think that real wisdom comes from, it's very simple, the idea that we, maybe we ought not do what we feel like.
Maybe it's best not to do what we feel like doing.
That's actually the beginning of a moral life and the beginning of wisdom is to say, let's do what we don't feel like doing.
Whether it's being disciplined, With diet or exercise, or it's being disciplined with labor, or it's being disciplined in your spiritual life.
So it's not, it's actually, I mean, yeah, you may think it's harsh, but that's life.
Life is harsh.
I would be equally harsh to anybody for anything.
You know, it's harsh to tell a person to stop eating so much.
It's like, damn, 2,000 calories a day.
That's pretty harsh.
It's like, no, that's what it takes to not be fat.
And anyway, Uh, and when you say, well, that's impossible for me, it's like, well, is it?
Have you tried?
Honest to God, have you tried?
Because I feel like a lot of gay and trans people, and even a lot of other immoral people, or who have embraced an immoral lifestyle, they never try.
They just say that.
You know, like when I went on Pearl's show, Pearl said, well it's impossible for guys to be celibate until marriage.
That's the way the world is.
It's like, but have you tried?
Have you really tried?
And if you were acting as though your life depended on it, could you do it?
Because it does depend on it.
Your eternal life depends on that.
Because you have to try your best not to sin.
So, it is possible.
And you have to act like it's possible, and you have to try.
And that goes for everybody, and that goes for morality as a whole.
unidentified
So... Um...
nick fuentes
No, but I, you know, I appreciate the super chat.
I'm not knocking you.
I'm not, like, attacking you or whatever.
I'm just saying that we don't embrace sin.
Because it's wrong, and it just doesn't have a place in society.
Just like the other stuff.
I feel the same way about... I'm as harsh towards Oliver Anthony.
These are things that are not good.
And you know what?
We're always gonna have them.
Okay?
We're always gonna have...
Evil in the world and people will give in to evil in its many forms and That's why we have confession.
That's why we have repentance That's why Jesus died on the cross if we could perfect ourselves on earth We wouldn't need the cross if we could if we could lift ourselves up to God Then Christ wouldn't have to draw us up on the cross with him But he did that Because we can't.
So it's always going to be there, and people are always going to fall short.
Here is where the problem begins.
The problem begins when people start to take it easy and say, oh well, no one's perfect, so this is fine.
And it's like it's not fine.
Oh well, that's difficult.
Being celibate until marriage is difficult.
Oh well, you know, being skinny is difficult.
Oh well, working hard is difficult.
So it's fine if we don't.
It's fine if we don't work hard.
It's fine if we don't strive for excellence.
It's fine if we get a little fat.
It's fine if...
It's fine if some people get abortions.
It's fine if people get gay married.
Oh, that's fine.
No, it's not fine.
It's wrong.
And there's all the difference in the world between trying your best and failing and asking for forgiveness and saying that we're okay with failing and failing is fine because it's going to happen regardless.
And that's where the devil works.
That's how the devil operates is the devil says, it doesn't matter.
It's fine.
You tried your best, but it's impossible to be perfect, so don't even bother.
Let's be complacent, and let's not try to live a moral life.
We can live in sin and be okay with it, because we're going to live in sin anyway.
That's the devil talking.
And that's tolerance.
When there's this narrative about tolerance, that's the devil working and saying, let's tolerate sin.
You can't tolerate sin.
Now we tolerate people and people sin, but we can't tolerate sin.
Everybody is both good and evil.
Everybody has a propensity for sin, but also the potential to become a saint.
And so we have to be merciful and forgiving towards people with everything.
But we can never say that sin is okay.
Do you understand the difference?
You can never say, Oh, well, it's okay to steal.
Oh, well, it's okay to get an abortion.
Oh, well, it's okay to be gay.
You know, you can never say that because it's not true.
Doesn't mean, you know, that it's never going to happen, but that's why we have a confession booth.
So anyway, all right, we'll read a few more of these and then I really got to go.
I'm only going to have a half hour to take a break here.
Uh, okay.
I'm gonna read that one.
I'll do... this one.
unidentified
Um... Uh, that's just not true.
$3.
What's your advice if one ever feels that the bad things in life currently or the potential horrors of life the mind and the world outweighs everything good godly and beautiful That's just not true You have to I mean people may feel like that but that's despair That's despair creeping in and And... You know, I get it.
nick fuentes
I understand that it may feel like that, but... You have to have hope.
One, because it's a sin not to.
That's a tough one, actually.
unidentified
I don't know.
nick fuentes
If you feel like that, I don't know.
I kind of feel like that lately.
I mean, I feel like things are getting pretty dark.
Um, and I think that, uh, things have gotten much darker over the years.
But, the hope is that there will be a better world in the afterlife.
You know, that's, we're hopeful for the life and the world to come, right?
Because this world has fallen.
So I guess, I guess my response to that would be that, that, that's sort of the game, you know?
We had paradise, we lost it.
And that's just, you know, in other words, you should expect that.
That there's not, nothing is going not according to plan.
You know, I feel like you would only feel that way if you had this expectation that we would have heaven here, but we can't.
That's the deal, so.
I feel like if you understand kind of where the physical world is in the order of the universe, you know, the world versus heaven, it's like, well, we're never gonna be in heaven.
Because sin exists in the world.
unidentified
So that's actually just the way it's supposed to be.
nick fuentes
And there are signs that there is something better.
And the sign is that God is real.
And the signs are miracles and saints and the church and the graces that God provides.
And the things that are still good.
There are still good things in the world.
There's still love in the world.
There's still charity and humanity and, you know, stuff like that.
But yeah, I mean, that's just the deal, actually.
Okay, we got a couple more big ones and then I really gotta go, okay?
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You've gained a cult member from the Millennial slash Gen X cusp.
I appreciate your time and effort.
PKD4NJF.
nick fuentes
Hey, thank you very much, man.
I really appreciate the big super chat.
I'm glad you found the stream.
I'm glad you like that.
Like I said, I don't know if you guys like it, or maybe you find it tedious, but I think it's important to spell it out like that.
Because that's how I got red-pilled, is I would look for, like, oh, liberal owned by Ben Shapiro.
Ben Shapiro owned by so-and-so.
Because everybody's interested in Who is the most compelling debater?
And I feel like nobody debates destiny other than me, successfully.
But I don't even know if debating him is as productive as just going through the debates and breaking down what he's saying.
And as I laid out, when you really put it on paper, because that's all we did.
All we did is just write down what he said.
All we did was write it down and do a close reading of what he meant, Like when he says, throughout the history of the world, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
It's like, okay, let's just take out these filler words and let's just, let's extract the meaning, which is sometimes in war or sometimes closing, closing a shipping lane is the cost of his belly.
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
You know, and you break it down in that way and you see that there's no substance there.
There's no content there.
It's just rhetoric.
That's all you have is cheap rhetoric.
And the guy doesn't even know what he's saying.
Like, he fails to distinguish between the military and civilian presence in the West Bank repeatedly, which shows he's ignorant.
He doesn't know.
He admits he hasn't read past the Yom Kippur War.
How are you talking about Israel-Palestine?
You don't know about Yom Kippur, the Intifada, the Lebanese Civil War.
Abraham Accords or any of it.
How do you?
You can't.
So, I appreciate it though.
Thank you for the big super chat.
I'm glad you liked it.
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Horse Stabber sent $50.
Content like this gives us purpose.
Live up to God's standards and make a good civilization for our ancestors.
Without a purpose, why not just steal stuff and buy drugs?
Once you die, it's over anyway.
nick fuentes
Well, it's more than just living up to a standard.
It's about trying to become like God.
Trying to become one with God.
And emulating God and obeying God.
Because that is what is good for people.
That's the good for human beings.
So, we have to choose God because God is what's best for us.
You know, so it's not just like do what God says for some arbitrary reason like we have to live up to a standard just because or let's create a standard.
Even I would say creating a civilization that our ancestors would be proud of.
I feel like even that's arbitrary because if you were a materialist, who would even care?
Who would care?
Let's just enjoy what they left for us and let it die.
We're not going to be here.
So that's you have to get the foundation right which is that you know, it's the Nicene Creed we believe in God That's the beginning Okay, that's our last super chat.
That's gonna do it for me Thanks for watching.
I hope you enjoyed I'm literally gonna be I'm gonna take like a 10 minute break and then I'm gonna be back I'll be back in like 20 minutes and then I'm gonna cover the The GOP presidential debate, okay?
So if you watched on Rumble, tune in.
I'm gonna be live on Cozy and Rumble.
So tune in in about 20-25 minutes.
We're gonna cover the GOP presidential debate.
I'm not doing a show.
I'll cover that tonight.
But thank you for watching.
I'm gonna... This is giving me a headache.
Ugh, okay.
It's making my ears bleed.
Let me pick an outro song.
unidentified
Let's do... What am I gonna play?
nick fuentes
How about let me go into my liked songs and let's play... My head hurts so bad I'm gonna take three ibuprofen in about a second.
It hurts so bad.
Let's play...
Ah, let's play this.
This'll be fire.
Okay.
So that's our last Super Chat.
That's gonna do it for me.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks to the Super Chatters.
Hope you enjoyed.
I'll see you in 25 minutes, okay?
See you right back here.
Take it easy.
Goodbye.
unidentified
Let's go!
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