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It's your award-winning Gibbon Nation Media Assassination Episode 1840.
This is no agenda.
Pointing at Putin and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA region number six.
In the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley, where everybody's doing the walking dance.
I'm John C. Dvorak.
It's Crackbot and Buzzkill in the morning.
With a walking dance?
Yeah, I don't know about that, huh?
No.
Is that a TikTok, a TikTok phenomenon?
It's been a phenomenon for six months at least.
Maybe longer.
All right.
Well, you're on top of it.
What is the cute little dance that people do?
It's like a jig.
Is it like the running man?
It's closer to a jig than it is anything else.
Is it like the running man?
The walking man?
No.
Okay.
The walking dance.
Believe me, you've seen it.
No, I really don't think I have.
You've never seen dancing kids.
You are now my canary in the coal mine.
I can't.
There's nothing of any value for you.
There's nothing of any value on Instagram and TikTok for me.
Except when Tina has a new recipe, which he's going to try this weekend.
Oh, gosh.
Let me guess.
It contains cheese.
Yes, it's cottage cheese chips.
Just listen to me.
I finally realize that it's the cheese council behind all these recipes.
It has to be.
Although this is cottage cheese, there's no melted.
Cheese, there's still milk involved.
It's still cheese, I tell you.
And the other reason, I can't even go to X anymore.
My X timeline, which is all that I ever look at, I just use that as an inbox, is filled with one topic and one topic only.
Stolen Valor.
Stolen Valor, I tell you.
Code Bongino coming in hot.
The third group of people I want to address are the grifters out there who mistakenly thought I wasn't coming back.
Now, I am back.
The podfather is back.
You talked over it.
Did you hear what he said?
No, I'm sorry.
I just like.
Wow.
All right.
Listen again.
Start it over.
Started from scratch.
You don't need the whole thing.
I won't be mumbling in the background in annoyance.
Grifters out there who mistakenly thought I wasn't coming back.
Now, I am back.
The podfather is back.
What?
What?
But wait.
He has his nerve.
It didn't stop there.
I know, Gee's like, I know what you're going to tell me.
You're getting ready to tell me I got to take a break quick.
But Gee, I want to get to this last one.
W's, remember, this is for the doomers.
The podfather's back.
Stolen valor, I tell you.
That is stolen valor.
He's not the podfather by any means or by any stretch of the imagination.
And it's that's stolen valor.
That is exactly right.
That is stolen valor, and it's shameful, but it doesn't surprise me.
I love you.
That guy couldn't even stay in office for a year.
I love you so much right now.
I love you.
Why?
Well, because you're standing up for me.
I love that.
I'm not standing up for you.
I'm standing up for truth and freedom.
Exactly.
Truth and freedom.
Straight up.
Well, that's kind of cool.
I love how everyone's jumping.
No, man.
And then there's these endless threads.
Let's be honest, Tom Green's the podfather.
Like, oh, this is why I can't go that.
That actually makes it worse.
I can't.
I cannot go on, I just can't.
I can't go on social media.
Lord Mandelson's Revelation00:14:46
By the way, congratulations to you.
Thank you.
Very cool.
You're in the Epstein Files.
This is awesome.
Yes, JC discovered this.
This is great.
And it really, it's very telling to me.
It's like when even an innocuous email from you said with your typical, it's hilarious because it's like, these four pictures all look like the same thing to me.
You know, one of those from you.
I'm like, then you have really emptied out the bottom of the barrel on the Epstein files.
There really can't be much more left.
They got everybody.
Well, one degree of separation, I guess.
I mean, I did talk about, you know, having become that close to actually meeting this character.
Yeah, was that the party, the brand's 75th part birthday?
Was it 75?
Whatever it was.
That was, I think, in New York.
I didn't get invited.
Well, I might have been invited, but my association with the Epstein Files is that I was on a CC of some Brockman emails, according to JC, who's found a few of them.
Oh, there's more than one?
I've only found one.
Oh, he says there's a couple.
Oh, okay.
Because Brockman sent a lot of mail out, but maybe two.
Explain to everybody who Brockman is because you're just throwing that out.
My literary agent was, and I actually worked for him for a while too as a literary agent part-time.
Were you screening the girls for him?
No, I wish I did.
That would have been a good job.
That would have been dynamite.
But no.
Yeah, it would have been.
No, it's pretty lame.
So, but he was my literary agent, and he was, and I was part of a clique that he had put together of people that he tried to get together for events.
And because I was once famous.
Back in the day.
I'm not sure.
Back in the day.
Back in the day.
And so I got CC'd, I guess, on one of these invites because Epstein was notoriously invited to a couple of these things, including the one I didn't go to in Monterey because I just wasn't going to drive that far.
It just wasn't worth my time.
I've noticed over the years that meeting and mingling with the ultra-rich doesn't bring any value or anything.
It doesn't add anything.
No.
It doesn't bring, but I don't get any more money.
I don't get checks in the mail from that.
It's just a waste of time.
You don't have an ask.
You don't have an ask.
Like, hey, can you pay my rent?
Can I organize your house and your staff?
You have no ask.
That's the problem.
Everyone else had an ask.
Can you get a meeting with this guy?
Can you do that for me?
When's the party?
Can you pay for my breast enlargement?
You didn't have an ask.
That's your problem.
I never even thought of having an ask.
Well, and that's why you didn't get anything.
It's really, and of course, all I get is Epstein emails.
I mean, some of my favorites are: look, he controls Bitcoin.
Like, oh, man.
That's a good one.
He also, well, he's apparently invented 4chan.
Yes, and Bash and the entire Bash shell.
I don't know anything about Bash somehow.
Bash is just a Linux shell with shell commands.
Oh, and by the way, I want to congratulate you that you congratulate me for being in the Epstein Files.
Yes, thank you.
My latest claim to fame.
You know, you should do a book.
My time with Epstein.
My time with Epstein.
Instant bestseller.
Finally.
It's three pages and the rest is all empty.
I've heard of the guy.
So we're running the show today on Linux.
Yes.
Yes, we are.
After 18 years, why not?
And I'm so happy because we are running on the people software.
Now, to be fair, the Roadcaster has a lot internally, but that's also running on Linux.
The Roadcaster is also, in essence, a Linux machine on the Instagram.
Oh, I did not know that.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And I built the entire playout system myself.
So, you know, all of the players.
Yes.
Yes.
That I'm quite proud of.
So if anything goes wrong, then...
You didn't use any AI, huh?
Oh, yeah.
Only AI.
Okay.
Only Gemini.
I built it in Python and QT libraries.
Okay, we don't care.
No, I know you don't care.
But the point being, if you know what you're doing and you know what you want and you have an understanding of systems, it can actually build something for you.
If you don't, if you just say, hey, build me a playout system, you're going to be very disappointed.
That's not going to work.
Yes, I think that is a good message to convey.
Yes.
And we can talk about that later.
But first, we need to discuss the pivot, the pivot in the Epstein files, which is there's a pivot.
I just want to mention that I think I have two clips from the whole thing, and it involves the UK mostly.
I have no domestic stuff.
Well, let's get, yeah.
Well, most of it is the UK.
That's what's hilarious.
What a shocker.
Yeah, let's do your stuff and then I'll go into what I've discovered.
What do you have?
Well, let's see.
I've got the Lord Mendelssohn stuff.
Mandelson, sorry.
Yes.
The guy, House of Lords, big shot, American ambassador to the USA was busted and this became a big thing.
And that's all the BBC is talking about.
And this is Lord Mandelson, BBC One.
Hello there.
The news breaking in the last couple of hours is that Metropolitan Police is launching a criminal investigation into Peter Mandelson in the wake of new revelations about his links with the late sex offender and financier Jeffrey Epstein.
In a statement...
You notice that the BBC, they always use financier or sometimes disgrace financier and sex offender.
They don't...
They don't use pedophile as a word.
It's just interesting how different, interesting catch.
Yes.
Financier Jeffrey Epstein.
Because the real pedophile was that Jim Will Fix It guy.
That was that.
Now that was a pedophile.
In a statement, Commander Ella Marriott said, I can confirm that the Metropolitan Police has now launched an investigation into a 72-year-old man, a former government minister, for misconduct in public office offences.
The Met will continue to assess all relevant information brought to our attention as part of this investigation and won't be commenting any further at this time.
Well, Peter Mandelson has stepped down from the House of Lords after the Prime Minister accused him of letting his country down.
The latest Epstein emails that have come to light suggest that the former business secretary was passing on highly confidential and market-sensitive government information to his friend Jeffrey Epstein over a period of around a year at the time of the global financial crisis.
Well, the BBC has approached Lord Mandelson for comment.
This report is from our political editor, Chris Mason.
What on earth is Lord Mandelsoh doing here?
Excruciating pictures, part of a deluge of detail.
And there are plenty more snaps illustrating how close he was to the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
Oh, and a little switcheroo there.
The reporter says paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
Yes, he did.
Oh, interesting.
He was to the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
And for every picture, thousands and thousands of words.
Search for Lord Mandelson, and page after page after page emerges.
This is what we've been trawling through since the weekend.
It contains jaw-dropping detail, an emerging political scandal building to perhaps the biggest for a generation.
I think there is widespread outrage at his conduct, but for those of us in the Labour Party, we feel that betrayal acutely because it is a betrayal of trust, it's a betrayal of values.
Do they explain exactly what information he was passing on?
Because I have not seen this.
Yeah, in the second clip.
Lord Mandelson was Gordon Brown's first Secretary of State, effectively his deputy when Mr. Brown was Prime Minister.
But take a look at this email exchange.
Finally got him to go today, it reads.
He appears to tell Epstein Gordon Brown is going to resign as Labour's leader hours before he did.
And just the day before, the two appeared to swap emails involving highly sensitive financial information that only a handful of people in government would have known about.
Downing Street is clearly very keen to be seen to be responding quickly to all of this.
Sakir Starmer told a cabinet meeting this morning it was appalling and disgraceful and Lord Mandelson had let his country down.
Officials have also briefed the police on their assessment of the sensitivity of the information.
This afternoon we found out Lord Mandelson will never be seen here in the House of Lords again.
The clerk of the parliament has today received notifications from Lord Mandelson of his intention to retire from the house effective from 4th February.
That is tomorrow, but he can still call himself a lord.
The government now wants to strip him of his title as quickly as possible.
It's a year since Lord Mandelson became our man in Washington.
His friendship with Geoffrey Epstein was well known, but not the detail that's since emerged.
Interesting to note that Mandelson is gay.
He's married to a dude.
So I'm not quite sure exactly what Epstein would have been able to service him with because there's no dimension of the whole thing.
Let's play your ansible.
What's your other clip?
The other clip I had did those are the is about Fergie.
She got busted too.
Yeah, this is good.
The public image, a close-knit family, mother and daughters supporting each other.
But the latest batch of Epstein files has chipped away at the reputation of Sarah Ferguson and cast a shadow over her daughters, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie.
Yesterday, Andrew Manbatt in Windsor was seen riding in the grounds of Windsor Castle.
Today, no sign of him in public.
But there was a first comment from a member of the royal family.
His younger brother, Prince Edward, was in Dubai for an education summit when he was asked about the latest developments.
I think it's all really important always to remember the victims and who are the victims in all this.
Absolutely.
A lot of victims in this.
I'm so looking forward to today.
And from her emails to Geoffrey Epstein, it was clear Sarah Ferguson viewed herself as a victim.
She's now closed her charity, Sarah's Trust, in the face of fresh revelations.
They include an email to Epstein from 2010, where she takes aim at the media and the royal family.
I am now a thousand percent being hung out to dry, writes Sarah Ferguson.
Just as I always said, no woman has ever left the royal family with her head.
And they cannot behead me, therefore they will discredit me totally to obliteration.
I have no words.
Another email comes from Epstein asking for access to a royal palace.
Sarah, he writes, could you or one of your daughters show Buckingham?
Thanks.
Access to the royal family has got Sarah Ferguson into trouble before.
In 2010, she fell for a Sunday newspaper sting, filmed accepting money for access to her ex-husband.
Her journey within the royal family has been troubled at times.
But these Epstein files have shown a level of closeness to the convicted sex offender that has been especially damaging.
You know, yes.
Well, I was going to say, the sting on her was that she was asking for 500,000 pounds to get the access.
And I want to also add one other little thing.
Have you seen the video?
Now they released a one and a half, one hour and 53 minute long interview with Epstein.
I've seen parts of it.
I've not seen the whole thing.
Well, the thing that kind of caught my attention, and I watched most of it, it's mostly about finances.
So it's not very interesting.
But what caught my, but there is some stuff about his sexual stuff.
But nobody has, at least that I can find, has said who the interviewer is.
Oh, that's an interesting point.
And I know who the interviewer is.
Are you going to enlighten us?
It's Steve Bannon.
Oh, right.
That's the infamous Bannon documentary tape.
Right.
So he must have been.
And nobody mentions this.
Ben doesn't mess it up.
You could tell by when you hear the voice, Bannon's voice, of all the people out there, you can hear his voice.
He is very distinctive because he has all kinds of speech impediments.
Yeah.
And so Ben is very easy to identify.
But I don't understand when no one's mentioned this.
Well, I find it peculiar.
What was this about?
If we recall from, what's that guy's name, the Trump hater who interviewed you?
Trump hater.
Let me think.
There's a lot.
There's a long list.
Who could this be?
That creepy guy who did.
Creepy Trump hater.
Let me think.
Let me get the book out.
Who was writing a book about him, who helped him?
He advised him on his PR as well.
Anyway, I can't remember his name.
Wow.
Yeah.
I know.
It's like there's so many of those.
He said that that tape was the interview was owned by Epstein.
Even though Bannon did it, it was all financed and paid for by Epstein.
So that's why it was, I guess, somehow in the files.
I mean, it's Wolf, Michael Wolf.
Peter Thiel And Mossad00:16:03
Thank you.
Trolls.
Michael Wolfe.
He said that he had tapes, but they're his.
I won't sell them.
But Bannon's stuff is out there.
Well, yeah.
Sounds uninteresting.
Well, it actually is interesting from a financial perspective because he does have some insights for scams that go on.
Yes.
But it's got nothing to do with anything in this situation.
What I find interesting is the amount of people who email me, you know, with a link and look at this.
And everyone's so cynical and pessimistic.
I'm like, what did you think?
This is exactly what money and politics and show business brings.
This is what it is.
And we're still here after 18 years because we can't go.
We don't feel like going to the party for some reason.
Well, yeah, for a lot of different reasons.
Well, you're in Texas.
Well, but even back in the day.
You've actually run from it.
I was in MTV at MTV, and I didn't go to any of this.
I didn't even know if there was an invite.
I never got it to any of this cool stuff.
But look at how it turns out for these wicked people.
And then, and Prince Andrew, oh man, now he's like, all right, go live over here.
Meanwhile, new fallout for the now former Prince Andrew, whose connection to Epstein has been documented for years.
Andrew appears in the newly released files in photos leaning over a young woman lying on the floor.
Now, amid growing outrage in the UK, Andrew has a lot of people.
So you saw that picture, right?
Yeah.
What is it?
Who cares?
It's like the woman's passed out and he just gave her mouth to mouth.
I mean, this doesn't.
Who knows what that picture is?
It's ludicrous.
It's not naked.
They could have been playing Twister.
Yeah, actually, yes.
No.
Lying on the floor.
Now, amid growing outrage in the UK, Andrew has moved out of the 31-room royal lodge earlier than expected.
He's now living on his brother, King Charles' privately owned estate.
British tabloids, upping the pressure on the royal family.
One headline reading, Charles must now face questions.
Vice President JD Vance said he would support Andrew being called to testify before Congress.
I'll let them determine whether they should talk to this Andrew.
I'll certainly be open to it, but it's their call, not mine.
At the White House yesterday, President Trump, who's mentioned hundreds of times in the newly released files, mostly news articles.
You're stepping on the line.
You're stepping on the line.
I'm sorry.
I know, but this is a line they keep using.
Yesterday, President Trump, who's mentioned hundreds of times in the newly released files, mostly in news articles.
Mostly news articles.
They always he's mentioned hundreds of times.
Mostly news articles.
Said this.
I think it's really time.
Yes.
I'm just going to say that that's a good catch because, yes.
So this is the slant of the media.
He's mentioned hundreds of times.
Then they go parenthetically say mostly news articles.
Yeah.
Parenthetically.
That is a good term.
Exactly.
In parentheses.
Bull crap.
You know, these people should be ashamed.
The media has gone so downhill, it's unbelievable.
Oh, we're not even there yet.
President Trump, who's mentioned hundreds of times in the newly released files, mostly in news articles, said this.
I think it's really time for the country to get onto something else, really.
Now that nothing came out about me other than it was a conspiracy against me, literally, by Epstein and other people.
Trump says he cut off all ties with Epstein many years ago.
So there's all these interesting examples.
And I love all our producers.
I love it that you send me stuff.
There's this one, apparently an email sent to the FBI, maybe.
And it's this long rant.
And it's just all crazy conspiracy.
That's good stuff.
It's a fantastic email.
But in it, so it's sent to me as, well, there's evidence of the masks being used.
And I read it.
And it's like, well, Biden's mask.
I think my testimony of 1967 from my own family members who told me that they were fooled by masks, intelligence-created masks, is a little better than what the Epstein file shows.
Yeah, we've been talking about these masks.
We have clips from the costumer of the CIA herself talking about the masks.
And you've talked about the masks that you've seen.
And there's videos of masks on various networks.
You can see them, social networks.
So it's not like a shocker that there's masks here and there.
You know, you should just, you should really make business cards, Chauncey Dvorak, as mentioned in the Epstein files.
I'm thinking this is good for you.
It's not good.
People are always taking these things the wrong way.
So here's the pivot.
This is interesting.
The first thing to note is that the law is written by Congress to release the files, which I really think they released everything they had because except for whatever they're supposed to hold back for redactions.
And that by itself, I have another clip on that.
But there was no mandate by any intelligence agency to release anything.
So the CIA doesn't have to release anything.
Interestingly enough.
Oh, that's interesting.
Another nice one.
Yes, they didn't have to release everything, but we did see in the files that were released that Epstein himself sent in FOIA to say, hey, I want to know what you have on me in your files, which is probably not a bad idea.
I probably just should do that for myself, and maybe in 2030, I'll get it.
But there's a pivot now suddenly taking place across the media, across the world.
And we start with LBC, London Broadcast Corporation, Andrew Marr.
Listen to this.
Let me begin tonight with something that I think is even more important, even more extraordinary.
Growing suspicions of a Russian connection.
Boom!
Down!
And apparently limitless supplies of money.
Where did it come from?
He procured many young Russian girls.
Why was that so easy for him?
The files released.
Can you stop me?
I can already answer that.
Why was it so easy?
Russian whores are easy to get.
Boom.
There it is.
You know, the first thing when I went to Moscow, and of course it was during the communist era, you were warned.
When I went there too, like they're all KGB.
They're all KGB.
They said the place is crawling with whores.
Yep.
And the number one place, if you wanted to go find them, the International Hotel.
I think it's called the International.
It's one specific hotel.
It was just crawling with girls.
And they were cheap and plentiful.
Cheap, cheap.
Cheap and plentiful.
And there were tons of them, and they were all gorgeous.
And so you have, oh my God, how did he get these girls?
It's stupid.
Well, there's a reason for this, I think.
He procured many young Russian girls.
Why was that so easy for him?
The files released show more than a thousand documents which referred to Vladimir Putin and 9,000 referring to Moscow.
The FBI says that he was Putin's wealth manager.
Epstein files.
I did not see this.
I did not see any document that the FBI said he was Putin's wealth manager.
So I'm not sure where this is coming from, but we'll get an idea soon.
He was Putin's wealth manager.
Epstein filed all of his messages.
He filmed and taped powerful Western leaders in deeply compromising situations.
No evidence of that that I've seen, but okay.
Why?
Yeah, name one.
Yeah, well, I mean, they've released video, but not that video.
Wonder at least about the possibility of a KGB operation big enough to ensnare former presidents and prime ministers and the leaders of some of the world's most powerful companies.
I know, I know, this all sounds impossibly sensational, conspiratorial, a James Bond villain plot in real life.
Yes.
But there is so much smoke billowing out of one of the most extraordinary establishment crises in my lifetime that it is well worth exploring whether there might be also a genuinely ominous backstory.
Okay, so this is launched over in the UK.
Take note here, saying it's Russia, it's Russia, and we go over to Poland.
Suspicions are growing, and action is now being taken for Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk.
The latest information included in the release of over 3 million files as to concerns that the Epstein paedophilia scandal was co-organized by Russian intelligence.
This has pushed the Prime Minister to ask for a probe to be conducted into Epstein's possible links with Russia's secret services, as well as to Tusk's own country.
A growing number of commentators and experts assume that it is highly probable that this was a premeditated operation by the Russian KGB.
This so-called honey trap set for the elites of the Western world, primarily the United States.
This can only mean that they also possess compromising material against many leaders still active today.
Suspicions that are fueled by the release of emails showing the lengths Epstein and his associates went to recruit young Russian women, with documents including requests to book flights from Moscow to Paris and to New York.
A honey trap designed to blackmail the global elite.
Vladimir Putin is named over a thousand times in the latest documents.
He changes discuss appointments to come between Epstein and the Russian president, including after Epstein was convicted of procuring a child for prostitution.
Previous emails also appeared to show Epstein offering advice to politicians on how to deal with Donald Trump.
The question as to whether he was working for secret services isn't a new one.
For years, some have suggested Epstein was in fact working for Israel's Mossad.
Donald Tusk said that he would encourage others to pursue an international investigation.
So I thought this clip was interesting because they bring up Mossad.
There's clearly an intelligence agency behind this story.
Yeah, and this is who would obfuscate all this.
And by the way, thank you.
Yes, you're welcome.
And one thing to note.
That's a good way to circumvent it, yes.
One thing to note.
The KGB was dissolved in 1991.
Why do they keep referring to the KGB as having anything to do with this?
Excellent point.
So it's either CIA Mossad or perhaps it's MI6.
And look at who shows up on the Morning Joe show.
Ed Luce, is that his name from the Financial Times?
Ed Luce?
Luce, Lucci Luce?
Lucy Lou?
I don't know how to pronounce it.
I don't know.
Listen to this.
The web that Epstein spun has a large number of Russian points on it, and that seems to grow with each day to dump.
This goes back to Robert Maxwell, the father of Ghelane Maxwell, a British media tycoon who was an intelligence source for the Soviet during the Cold War.
You see in the communications that Epstein has with people like the late Vitaly Churchin, who was Russia's ambassador at the United Nations, deep coordination.
It's not necessarily proven that he was meeting his handler, but he met Chuck in full lunch along with Peter Thiel the day that the Clinton emails were dumped.
This is an extraordinary sort of coordination that was going on and conversations and knowledge that imply at least prima facie evidence that Epstein was very intimately involved.
Wait, are you saying Jeffrey Epstein and Peter Thiel met with Russia's ambassador to the United Nations on the day of the document dump, the Clinton emails?
Actually, it was the day when the take the grabbing her by the, I'm not sure what I'm allowed to say on my own breakfast.
Oh, yeah.
But it was the day that Ms. Now and then and then Peter Thiel, a few days later, was the only person who donated money to Trump after that those tapes were released.
So and the knowing this about the Gussifer 2.0, tragosians, various operations that were hacking the email server, the knowledge that Epstein betrays about that is pretty strong evidence that he was involved.
This tells me that they're that is because Peter Thiel, if he's anything his CIA, if anything, the whole Palantir thing was totally a CIA operation, but I think they're trying to cover for MI6.
You know, it's bringing Robert Maxwell.
He was an MI6 agent.
Well, we all know he worked for the KGB.
Yeah, when KGB was a thing.
so this is a pivot that i think you're i think you're this is good stuff i I'm glad you got it.
To me, it seems obvious that one of the, it's either CIA or MI6 that are doing what they can.
And I think a lot of the documents are fake, too.
I think they've gone in there to muddy the water because it gets people all riled up.
There's a lot of screwball stuff in there.
It sure is.
It's great stuff.
Yeah, but it's screwy.
But I'm convinced that one of the reasons that it took so long to get this stuff out is because they had to plant this stuff and then make it look like it's been there for a while.
Who is they in your mind?
Well, I'm thinking the CIA that's doing the muddying because I think they're good at that.
In fact, I think they're better at it than MI6.
And I think that they agreed to do it maybe on the behalf of MI6.
Yeah, because something's going to come out about MI6 with all these Brits that are involved.
It has to.
I mean, it just keeps on going and going and going.
I think our people might be doing their people a favor.
Or we'll do you a favor, but you owe us one.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, because the MI6 guys have been working against the United States for a while, and this might be some way to put him in line.
And by muddying the, okay, we're going to muddy this up for you.
We're going to throw a bunch of crap in here that just doesn't make any sense.
And, you know, my favorite one is, okay, you got to go ahead to kill him.
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Who, what, when?
We don't know anything.
Now, they just throw this just a bunch of junk in there in with the good stuff, so you can't tell what's what, and then let the chips fall where they may.
But we did our part.
Now, could it be Mossad?
What would their angle be for doing this?
I don't think I don't think Mossad had access to the I don't think Mossad or MI6 had access to the original documents in such a way that they could muddy the waters.
Well, someone's being put on notice with this.
And to blame it all on Putin is great.
The blaming it on Putin thing makes it even more ludicrous.
And KGB.
And KGB, which again, people should realize KGB is no, after 1991, there is no KGB.
So if people start talking about KGB, they don't know what they're talking about or it's code.
Here's, let me see.
What do we have on this one?
Yeah, this is NPR, of course, jumped in.
Here they are, the morning edition, talking about going back to Mandelson.
Police in the United Kingdom have opened a criminal investigation into the country's former ambassador to Washington.
It's over allegations he leaked sensitive government information to Jeffrey Epstein.
NPR's Lauren Freyer reports from London.
This is the line Peter Mandelson is famous for.
I am a fighter and not a quitter.
After a political comeback 25 years ago, he's been an MP, a cabinet minister, envoy to the U.S., a post he resigned from last year over his friendship with the late sex offender Epstein.
Now Mandelson has also quit the House of Lords over the latest Epstein files released by the U.S. Justice Department.
What we found was extraordinary.
Tax attorney and think tank founder Dan Needle sifted through the latest trove.
Photos of Mandelson in his underwear, alleged payments Epstein made to Mandelson and his husband, and emails from when Mandelson was a cabinet secretary after the 2008 financial crisis.
Peter Mandelson was forwarding sensitive government emails to Epstein.
Not just sensitive UK government emails.
He was leaking UK and U.S. government secrets essentially to Wall Street.
Police are investigating whether that was criminal.
Mandelson did not answer NPR's calls and hasn't commented on the email allegations.
He issued a statement saying he has no recollection of payments.
But this episode raises questions about Prime Minister Kier Starmer's judgment in naming him ambassador just over a year ago.
Many people love him.
Others love to hate him.
Starmer joked about Mandelson's reputation in a DC visit last year.
But to us, he's just Peter.
Peter.
Peter.
Okay, code for penis.
No, no, that's no.
There was that laugh at that.
The setup, that was a setup.
I have to explain what happened there because they took it so out of context.
That was Starmer doing a presentation introducing the new ambassador, but he was indicating that he was talking about Trump.
Oh, wow.
They really pulled that out of context.
He was talking about Trump, and then the punchline was Peter at the end, but it's like a lead in.
He's like, hey, and he's got the funny looking hair.
And he's, you know, he's been grabs somebody by the such and such.
So I want to introduce everybody to Peter.
Oh, and so it gets a big laugh because it was said it was a constructed joke.
That's good.
And the way they presented it to you would never know that.
That's good.
Well, NPR in general is very disappointed by the politicization of this all and even the organization of the files.
It's going to take a long time, a long time to really understand what's in the Epstein file.
So what's the reaction been right now?
People who have been disappointed with how the Trump administration has handled the files and how they've been released and not released, they're still disappointed.
There are some members of Congress who say the Justice Department has not complied with the law they passed.
At the same time, there has been this back and forth with the House Oversight Committee led by Republican James Comer over attempts to get former President Bill Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to testify in their separate ongoing Epstein probe.
So the release of these files pertaining to serious things like sex trafficking and abuse over a period of many years has been politicized from the start.
And I would expect that to continue, even as the Justice Department says to not expect any other charges coming in the future.
And we got a few seconds here, Stephen.
It can't be easy to look over all this stuff.
Oh, it's just a task.
But I'm at NPR, so I jump on the grenade every time.
No, because there's no rhyme or reason to how the Justice Department has put this out there.
So it's a little bit trying to find a needle in a haystack, but that needle might be blacked out and it might be in a completely different haystack and you don't even know where the hay is.
Right.
That's NPR Stephen Fowler.
Stephen, thanks a lot.
Thank you.
And so I have a question about some of these redactions and the term victims.
We'll play this NPR and then we'll talk about it.
The federal judge in New York will hold a hearing tomorrow after lawyers for Jeffrey Epstein's victims said their names and identifying information were released by the Department of Justice.
That unredacted information was part of the department's latest release on Friday of millions of documents.
NPR Stephen Fowler heads up the NPR team looking over all of this.
So Stephen, what are some of the things that were supposed to be redacted in the Epstein files?
Under the Epstein Files Transparency Act law, it's things like the personal identifying information of victims, child sexual abuse material, things that depict death, abuse, injury, other sort of information that would jeopardize any ongoing investigations or prosecutions.
And there are plenty of things that fit the bill when you look at the internal files released by the Justice Department about their investigations, sorting through various vetted and unvetted claims about sexual abuse from Epstein and other prominent figures.
Then there are plenty of things that don't really have any readily available reason as to why they're redacted.
Okay, like what?
Well, there are plenty of names of people, Justice Department officials, other figures accused of abuse and assault, people that texted or emailed or corresponded with Epstein that are kept in the dark.
There's one thread of text messages with former Trump advisor Steve Bannon, where Epstein's name is the one that appears to be blocked.
And there are numerous documents that appear heavily redacted in one part of the files.
You search somewhere else and everything is all out in the open.
That's everything from an FBI employee talking about the discovery that Wisconsin is a state northwest of Chicago to names of known victims and what appear to be victims that haven't been made public before.
So they talk a lot about victims.
And, you know, pedophilia is, it's actually, there's no term in criminal law.
There's no charge for pedophilia.
Pedophile is a clinical term, which is immense.
It's even in our favorite DSM.
Criminal law is, you know, sexual assault of a child, indecency, lewd or lascivious acts, sexual abuse, and that varies per state.
It could be 15, 16, 17, 18.
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But there's a lot of young women who were of legal age who just participated in this very sad, but the world has always been this way.
Hey, maybe I can get a gig at Victoria's Secret.
I mean, go hang out.
And then they say, well, or you're a stripper.
I'm like, hey, we'll pay you 50%.
$20,000 to a movie if I just sit on this couch.
Yeah, I mean, this is, we learned that, well, we know this, but this was learned with Weinstein.
You know, it's like, but are they victims?
Are they victims because they got jipped out of money?
Gavin Newsom's wife.
But this is a serious victim.
Well, that's the question.
And so not wanting to be named because you're embarrassed of what you did is different, I think, from being a victim.
They make it sound like everybody's a victim.
And a lot of women were participants.
And it's not a popular thing to talk about because you got to be against the horrible pedophiles.
But, you know, there were young women of legal age who are like, oh, this, yeah, I can get in the movie.
I'm close to power.
I can do this.
I can do that.
You never know.
What an opportunity.
Please let us learn from this and teach your children that being an influencer is not going to get them any closer to a movie.
It's pathetic.
It's pathetic.
No, it's this.
Here's a teaching moment for everybody.
Now, you want to talk about victims.
Holy moly.
What's going on in Norway?
This is a mess.
And, you know, I've been watching the crown.
We've been watching all these period pieces.
And the entire royal family for six seasons seems only to be concerned with how the newspapers portray them, which is really what it's all about.
And meanwhile, they're unhappy, wretched people.
Unhappy, wretched people.
And I remember meeting the queen thinking, you look unhappy and wretched.
Sorry, Brits.
Listen to this.
What's going on in Norway with the royal family?
Dozens of people lined up in front of the courtroom in Oslo, eager to secure a spot to watch the trial of Marius Borghoibi.
The eldest son of Norway's crown princess has been charged with more than 30 offenses, including four counts of rape, drug offenses, and assault.
They don't have a control at home.
And the king is, or the coming king Hokum, is commander-in-chief of the military.
How is he going to handle the military if he can't even handle his own house?
I found it really disturbing as well.
29-year-old Marius Borghoibi was arrested on the 4th of August, 2024 for assaulting his partner.
During the inquiry, police discovered additional crimes, including the alleged rapes of four women, some of which were filmed.
Borghoibi denies the most serious accusations.
If convicted, he could receive 16 years in prison.
He has admitted being dependent on alcohol and has declared having mental health issues.
While he's a son of the crown princess, he's not an official member of the royal family, as he's a child of a previous relationship before Metamarit married the Crown Prince of Norway.
The news comes at a bad time for Norway's royal family.
Two days before the trial began, Metter Marit's name featured heavily in the latest release of documents relating to Jeffrey Epstein.
Norway's future queen has apologized for her friendship with the disgraced financier, which she now describes as embarrassing.
And this is it with these royal families.
They all have, you know, they've got their expense accounts, they've got their allowance, and they're bored, and they have to do official things, and then they go hang out and party hardy.
This everywhere.
I mean, there's so many examples.
This again kind of pushes me in the direction of thinking it's the CIA that muddied the water as a way of getting favors, future favors from these people.
Yes.
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And also, I think just sheer boredom.
I have seen this with so many kids of rich people, then how their parents treat them.
And, you know, they okay, okay, dad, whatever.
I just got to keep my allowance.
Can I use the yacht?
I've seen it firsthand.
It's pathetic.
It's pathetic.
There's nothing to be envious of.
This is how it always ends with these people.
Yeah?
Sorry.
I don't know that there's envy involved.
No, envy of most people are like, I wish I was rich.
I wish I was famous.
I wish I hung out with politicians and cool stuff.
It's wretched.
That's my point.
You're shaking your fist.
I am shaking my fist.
Now, this is what I'm seeing.
I'm seeing you there with your fist in the air.
I'm shaking it.
Because you and I know this.
We know this.
And by some grace of God, we have been diverted from ever being involved in any of this.
There's nothing, no skeleton's going to pop out of our closet.
It's like, oh, this is great.
But this is it.
This is, I give my first wife credit.
I really do.
She said, no, you don't need to go to that party.
No, I stayed home.
I'll work on my show prep for tomorrow.
You know, so I, but the, the.
Well, I'm still known in the family for someone who cancels the whole, like a whole thing at the last minute.
Paid, a paid trip.
Well, you know, I'd rather get an hour's sleep.
Here's a real victim.
The real victim is Melinda Gates, even though she really is.
Oh, and she's so pathetic.
Here we go.
Wait, wait.
Before you say, there's a bunch of these, her clips are on, and I saw one of them through some Doom scrolling.
There she is.
And I never turned the sound on.
And that's actually much more revealing to watch her go on and on without the sound because it's the looks that she has.
She looks like a beaten dog.
She's kind of depressed looking.
Her eyes have been moving closer together.
Her eyebrows are.
Again, a billionaire.
Wretched.
And she is just seems like a wreck.
Yeah.
And she's actually making herself look terrorist.
She looks terrible.
Well, this clip includes an interview that Bill Gates did for Australia News Channel 9, I believe, responding to what you brought up on the previous show about this email that Epstein sent to himself about how should Bill slip some antibiotics to Melinda because he has STDs.
I mean, this, yes, she may look like a dog, but she's wretched because she is a victim of this in a sort.
It's a connection billionaire Bill Gates is being forced to explain.
And every minute I spent with him, I regret and I apologize that I did that.
Although the time was a mistake, it had nothing to do with that kind of behavior.
The Microsoft co-founder knew Jeffrey Epstein for years, but their ties are under renewed scrutiny after the U.S. Department of Justice released a trove of documents last week.
In an interview with Australia's Nine News, Gates denies allegations of inappropriate behavior.
Epstein sent emails to himself in July 2013 containing unverified claims of helping Bill to get drugs to deal with the consequences.
By the way, that's oh, I got to catch myself.
That was a very CIA thing to do.
Send yourself an email or save it in drafts.
Have you ever sent yourself an email?
Yes.
Oh, you have many a time.
Oh, I never sent myself an email.
Well, I have here.
Here's the circumstance.
I have a file.
I'm on the road.
I have a file.
I'm written something or something, and I got to do it.
I want to save it as a draft, but I don't want to have to deal with it being on the laptop.
So I'll mail it to myself.
I've sent a lot of emails to myself.
And does the email you send to yourself get blocked by your spam filter?
It has.
Believe it or not.
I believe it.
And here's why I'll tell you why.
Because I've got to work around so it doesn't happen.
The reason is that according to the email, the theory of the spam filter is that there is a lot of people that spoof your own name to send you email, and it's a very common, very common spamming technique, so that gets blocked.
The current status is Adam 2, by the way, John 1, by the way.
So this is now being kept track of, which is good.
You said it again?
I've said the term twice.
You've said it once on this show.
Oh, I missed it.
Okay.
This was a very different type of.
This wasn't just a, got to remind myself.
It was two full paragraphs.
I'm not sure what that was about.
About what?
The email Epstein sent to himself about Bill Gates.
It wasn't just a remote.
There's another CIA trick, or I don't know if it's CIA, but it's just a general intelligence trick.
Yeah.
Where you create, where you send yourself emails and you give somebody else access to the account.
And so when they're sending you messages, you never, you're doing it.
You've never sent it.
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
You never sent or received such a message, so it can't show up in Discovery.
Didn't Petraeus do that with his lover?
Yeah, he used to, right?
Exactly.
He used to send emails to himself, and she would go to the email account, his email account, because she had the password, which was one of the problems, but she had the password to his email account, and then she'd look at that.
That's how she'd get the message.
That's a very common way of doing things.
Let's continue.
Of sex with Russian girls, while also facilitating trysts with married women.
Interesting.
There's the Russian girls again in this report.
That's interesting.
Drugs.
Yeah, the Russian girls.
I thought that I didn't notice it so much in that long-winded thing.
Maybe I missed it because the Russian girls thing I thought came, I thought it was derived from the AI that was the funny AI bit that was done.
I don't know if you saw it where Bill scratching himself and bitching about having an itchy dick.
Another great use of $1.3 trillion of investment.
It's beautiful.
Unverified claims of helping Bill to get drugs to deal with the consequences of sex with Russian girls while also facilitating trysts with married women.
And that Gates requested antibiotics from Epstein to surreptitiously give to Melinda, his now ex-wife.
Apparently, Jeffrey wrote an email to himself.
That email was never sent.
The email is false.
Little laughter in there, Billy Boy, just a little one.
That email was never sent.
The email is Bill Gates' relationship with the disgraced financier began in 2011 after Epstein was convicted of soliciting prostitution of a minor.
Bill Gates says his interactions with the pedophile were limited to dinners, that he never visited Epstein Island, and that his focus was on funding for his charity, the Gates Foundation.
Since you only saw it with the sound off, I'll give you a short minute of Melinda Gates responding.
Billionaire philanthropist Melinda French Gates is speaking out after her ex-husband Bill Gates appeared in the newly released Epstein files.
For me, it's personally hard because it brings back memories of some very, very painful times in my marriage.
The couple divorced back in 2021.
Now Gates addressing the Epstein scandal with NPR's Rachel Martin.
Whatever questions remain there of what I don't, can't even begin to know all of it, those questions are for those people and for even my ex-husband.
They need to answer to those things, not me.
While Bill Gates has previously said his meetings with Epstein were a, quote, huge mistake, his mention in the newly released documents are fueling fresh scrutiny over the nature of their association.
And I hope there's some justice for those now women.
Asked about the new files, a spokesperson for Bill Gates called the latest allegations completely false and said, the only thing these documents demonstrate is Epstein's frustration that he did not have an ongoing relationship with Gates.
One more little aspect to the male to yourself.
If Epstein and Gates' relationship was such that they were pulling that stunt, which is the Petraeus stunt, we'll call it, that's really indicting.
So by pointing it out to, oh, it's just a male to himself.
I don't know.
I had nothing to do with it.
That makes it sound, that's actually worse.
I agree.
Because that means you knew what was going on to an extreme and you were cautious.
And this was a step toward being cautious.
Let's listen to the popular M. Let's listen to the M5M's view on this.
I apologize for what I have to do, but sometimes I must.
At the tone, a clip from The View will be played.
Shelter in place.
Bill Gates is one of the many powerful figures who show up in the Epstein files, and both he and his ex-wife, Melinda, are responding about some disturbing emails about him that have come to light.
Take a look.
Whatever questions remain there of what I don't, can't even begin to know all of it.
They're doing a no-agenda show now.
But those questions are for those people and for even my ex-husband.
They need to answer to those things, not me.
I left my marriage.
I had to leave my marriage.
I wanted to leave my marriage.
I had to leave the, I felt I needed to eventually leave the foundation.
So it's just sad.
But I was only at dinners.
You know, I never went to the island.
I never met any women.
And so, you know, the more that comes out, the more clear it'll be.
That'll be the day.
I never met any women.
That'll be the day.
I mean, you have, just go to bingit.io and in the new clip genie stuff and look up John's stories about Bill and the women at Microsoft, please.
Dinners, you know, I never went to the island.
I never met any women.
And so, you know, the more that comes out, the more clear it'll be that although the time was a mistake, it had nothing to do with that kind of behavior.
I know nothing.
I did nothing.
Well, Melinda said that Bill needs to answer to questions about these allegations, as we keep saying.
That's not exactly what she said.
She said that's for them to answer, not me, but okay.
All need to answer about these allegations.
And do you think his denials in the interview are enough?
No, I mean, you know, people can read what the Department of Justice itself released in terms of the Epstein files and Bill Gates.
It's written right in the emails.
And I do think that he needs to answer to it.
It's unfortunate that Melinda Gates has said, I had to leave my marriage in part because of his association with Jeffrey Epstein.
And I think that they were released by the Justice Department.
And I think he should answer to it.
I like when they say, I was not on the island, as if that's the only place any of this stuff could happen.
Yes.
His poems, they were spooky.
Everyone describes them, including Melinda Gates, as I regretted it from the second I stepped in the door when she met Epstein.
He was abhorrent.
He was evil personified.
I had nightmares about it afterwards.
And she only met him once.
Oh, they should be so careful.
Yeah, they should.
I should mention, you know, if Bill had stepped in, you know, if he had leaned into this, in other words, he doesn't have the PR people around him that he used to have.
He could have done, he could have gotten away with the whole thing and gotten off scot-free by just pushing, saying, hey, okay, look.
Look.
Yes, Russian.
Look, Russian girls.
You know, I admit I did a lot of bad things.
It was just, but I couldn't resist.
And these Russian girls are beautiful.
And I just say one thing: no underage women because I'm not interested in that.
And he just, yeah, okay.
So I, you know, I made a mistake.
Yeah.
Just admit it.
And then just get off the, make sure he pushes away the any underage, which I don't know.
He is one of the, he's one of the few guys who will still be welcomed by establishment because of his money.
He will get a pass.
He will, Bill Gates will get a pass because he's got the money.
That's how the world works.
Now, he will live a wretched existence, but that's my new term.
I love wretchedness right near.
I see it.
Right.
Wretched.
You want to hear the view on Trump?
Oh, please, sure.
It seems like you know who really wants to move on from talking about the Epstein file.
Oh, because we know he's in there.
We know he did something.
He was asked about the Clintons agreeing to testify before a House Oversight Committee after he snapped at CNN reporter Caitlin Collins.
This is great.
He snapped at her.
We had slam, we've had lashed, and now we have snap.
Take a look.
A lot of women who are survivors of Epstein are unhappy with those redactions that came out.
Some of them entire witness interviews are totally blacked out.
Do you think that it's really bad journalism, is my point about survivors?
You know, were all of Weinstein's victims, Weinstein's women that he had sex with, were they all victims?
Were they all victims?
Or did they survivors?
They should be more transparent.
Literally, I think there's probably some literal truth to that.
The survivor part, I'm okay with survivor versus victim.
Redactions that came out, some of them entire witness interviews are totally blacked out.
Do you think that they should be more transparent?
They thought they released too much.
It was a conspiracy against me, literally, by Epstein and other people.
But I think it's time now for the country to maybe get onto something else.
What would you say to people who feel like they haven't gotten justice, Mr. President?
Something that people care about.
Yeah, what do you say, CNN?
What would you say to the survivors who feel like that?
You are the worst reporter.
I don't think I've ever seen a smile on your face.
I'm asking you about survivors.
You know why you're not smiling?
Because you know you're not telling the truth.
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Today we heard that the Clinton set deposition dates to testify before the House Oversight Committee.
Any reaction to that in relation to this?
I think it's a shame, to be honest.
I always liked him.
Her, yeah.
She's a very capable woman.
Now, you know that something bad is going to go down when Trump is saying, eh, I feel bad for him.
You know, it's like, poor Bill, even Hillary, you know, she's a capable woman.
Something bad is going down with them.
It doesn't feel good.
Back to the view.
If former President Clinton is testifying, don't Americans want to hear from you know who who should be testifying as well?
Well, well, it seems like to me, first of all, Trump is mentioned in the files 38,000 times.
What?
What?
38,000 times?
Did someone do a grep on this and a word count?
I think one of the big news operations would have said 38,000 instead of 20.
It's mostly in clippings.
It's a new number, 38,000.
So that's why they keep talking to him about it.
And the Clintons doing, it seems to me, opened up the floodgates to testify that he has to testify and Bill Gates and whoever else is in there.
And remember that Clinton had to testify under oath about Monica Lewinsky.
Well, they've agreed to, certainly.
I think, you know, the Clintons are playing chess while everybody else is playing checkers.
Oh, okay.
What?
The Clintons are playing chess, you see, while everyone else is playing checkers.
That was Sonny Haustin.
Isn't she the lawyer?
I think that was Sonny.
Okay.
She's the worst.
And then the final, the just the best clip ever from Ted Cruz.
I didn't see it in your clip list.
We discussed it.
You know, this the problem I have with the Ted Cruz clip, I saw it.
I was going to clip it.
Of course, of course.
But I'm glad you, you know, it's typically when I don't, you've got it.
So I went back and got it.
I wanted to go to see C-SPAN and go dig it up and see what the whole context was, whether he corrected himself.
Why bother?
The clip itself is hilarious.
That was like, I'm convinced there was more.
You know, if I had a long what you normally do is pull out the long version.
I do.
And in this version, I didn't.
I didn't.
I am bad.
I am wrong.
And I just love this clip.
And tragically, this pattern keeps on happening.
Now, Senator Booker also said we should have bipartisan agreement.
I think that's a great idea.
We should have bipartisan agreement.
How about we all come together and say, let's stop murders?
How about we all come together and say, let's stop rapes?
How about we all come together and say, let's stop attacking pedophiles?
Yeah, yeah.
Poor, poor Ted.
It was just funny.
How can you not think that's funny?
It is funny.
When I saw it, I thought it was funny, but it was clipped.
Yes.
It was definitely clipped.
It was.
It was.
I mean, we should probably do more of that ourselves.
Yeah, I'll look for it.
I'll look for it.
I mean, I go out of my way.
For example, let's talk about the Grammys for a minute.
Oh, wow.
We're going from Epstein to the Grammys.
Wow.
Same thing.
Same groups.
We're talking about celebrities and their foibles.
And so I got the clip of Billie Eilish, which I want to play because no one played this on their podcast.
I don't believe.
I think they play.
Whatever they played was not this.
We should totally deport all these illegals, you guys.
And I just want to thank President Trump and his whole team at the White House.
You guys totally rock.
I think you should just stay.
I mean, we don't even need elections anymore.
Just stay in the White House forever and just keep making America great again.
You know, fuck the Democrats.
They're all retards anyway.
Especially Chucky Schumer and Crazy Nancy.
Thank you.
And there it is.
There's always one Easter egg in every show.
It's highly appreciated.
That was well done.
It was hard to watch.
I watched, of course.
I couldn't, you know, I actually turned it off halfway through Trevor Noah going through the audience, you know, out of his lead.
Yes, and that's what he always does.
That's like his thing.
He's not funny.
There is a, you know, there's a threat of a pending lawsuit.
It was very interesting to see everyone there turning on what's her Nikki Minaj.
Nikki Minaj turning on her, you know, because she walked off the reservation.
Now she loves President Trump because he did something for Barbados, I think, was where she's from.
Of course, she's from Barbados, so she's not actually black.
Trevor Noah's not black, and Barack Obama's not black, but in this case, now she's not black.
The whole thing is so transparently icky.
Yeah, I mean, I had the same thing.
I turned the sound.
Well, we had put it on record, so we came home from dinner and then fast-forwarded through biz.
I had to fast-forward through a lot of it.
This is just so dumb.
So dumb.
And I do feel somewhat out of touch because some of the music, I'm like, huh?
I know.
Some of the music is just dreadful.
Kind of boots on the ground about Bad Bunny, who was also a big anti-ICE guy.
Bad Bunny is from Puerto Rico.
And one of our producers is in Puerto Rico.
And there's some interesting connections.
Our producer says he was a bagger in a supermarket in his hometown here in Puerto Rico.
Suddenly it became a music sensation.
He's been marketed in a perfect way around the world.
The interesting part is where the money for the marketing came from.
He's managed by a company called Remas Entertainment.
Rafael Jimenez-Dan is the owner of that.
And he served as Vice Minister of Legal Security of Ministry of Internal Affairs and Justice in Venezuela between 2006 and 2013 during Hugo Chavez, retired captain of the Venezuelan army.
So there's all these different things.
There was, you know, lawsuits.
But the real crux of, and I put the whole summary into the show notes, the real crux of it is that no one actually knows any songs by Bad Bunny in Puerto Rico.
And this guy's performing at the Super Bowl on Sunday.
So he feels, you know, surprise, a music sensation is manufactured.
But if anything is manufactured, I think it's this guy, this Bad Bunny guy.
And, you know, I'm not sure other than as an ICE protest, you know, because that was his acceptance speech, that that has something to do with it.
Oh, oh, lordy, there's collusion with the music industry and politicians.
Who would have thought?
So here is President Trump all mad about Trevor Noah.
Mr. President, are you going to see Trevor Noah last night in a post you alluded to?
Something could be coming.
Yeah, well, he said that I spent time on Jeffrey Epstein's Island.
I didn't, I mean, he's a lightweight.
This guy is a terrible.
I think he's terrible.
I thought he did a terrible job at the Grammys.
I thought the whole Grammys was terrible.
I watched part of it.
It's not watchable.
But he was a lousy host.
I'd say not as bad as Jimmy Kimmel, but pretty close.
And no, he made a statement about me and Jeffrey Epstein.
I have nothing to do with that.
I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein.
And in fact, if you look at the DOJ, they announced, you know, they released three median pages.
It's like this is all they're supposed to be doing.
And frankly, the DOJ, I think, should just say, we have other things to do because that whole thing has turned out, I mean, other than Bill Clinton and, you know, Bill Gates and lots of people that have, there are a lot of questions about it, but nothing on me.
But it was even sort of better than that because they found that Jeffrey Epstein and this leasebag writer named Michael Wolf were conspiring against Donald Trump to lose the election.
So Epstein was conspiring with a writer for me to lose the election.
I like how he twists this right back to Epstein.
So right there, you know, that I had nothing to do with this guy.
But yeah, it's a terrible thing.
The amount of time that's being wasted.
You know, when Epstein was alive, like 10 years ago, nobody cared about it.
But they're only doing it.
But now it's really hitting back on them because Bill Clinton is such a big part of it.
The Democrats are pushing it.
And the problem is that it's turning out to be the Democrats that were with and conspired with Epstein.
So I think you're probably going to see a little pullback from them.
But think of it.
They were working together to try and help me lose the election.
This is the Oval Office, so I guess that didn't work out too well.
Everything we do comes back to the election.
Everything we talk about all has to come back to the elections.
Everything.
And President Trump, his words are being, I would say, a little bit convoluted about, you know, because we have Tulsi Gabbard was in Georgia, and she's part of looking at what happened with those votes there.
And I think there's more states that are on the state.
They're still making a fuss about that, as though Tulsi Gabbard has nothing to do with the FBI when she is in charge.
The DNI FBI is under her wing.
Yeah, they don't like her.
She walked off the reservation.
She left.
You know, I've said it before: the Democrats are such a cult in their nature that you quit the cult and they go after you for years and years and years until you finally forget about it.
So now.
Well, so now President Trump, and I'm sure that Tulsi will come out.
She'll do 20 minutes that no one will watch.
It'll be unclippable.
She's boring.
She's very boring.
It's fun to look at, but she's boring.
And she'll say, oh, and this was this, and here's all the proof.
And the media will not do anything with it at all, at all, at all.
And everyone will be too obsessed with Epstein, still, forever, for the rest of our lives.
But they're making it sound like the president is saying, well, we should federalize the elections.
But I don't think that's what he's saying.
If a state can't run an election, I think the people behind me should do something about it.
The rhetoric has only grown more worrying as President Donald Trump suggests taking federal control of November's midterm elections.
Look at some of the places that horrible corruption on elections, and the federal government should not allow that.
The federal government should get involved.
Some of Trump's top supporters want to go even further and deploy federal immigration agents on election day.
We're going to have ICE bannons of one of the supporters ostracized from the Trump orbit.
Around the polls come November.
We're not going to sit here and allow you to steal the country again.
The notional idea that he will ask his loyalists to do something inappropriate beyond the Constitution scares the heck out of me.
Concern has only grown since last week's FBI raid at a Georgia elections office, where federal agents seized ballots and records tied to the 2020 election.
The process was personally overseen by Trump's director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard.
The only thing that they're going to find when those ballots is that President Donald Trump lost the 2020 presidential election.
Trump remains obsessed with his 2020 loss to Joe Biden and continues to spread false claims while threatening revolt in increasingly ominous terms.
It was a rigged election.
Everybody now knows that.
They found out people will soon be prosecuted for what they did.
The only thing standing in Trump's way may be his own party.
Everybody understands the states are in charge of administering the elections.
But as Trump learned six years ago, talk alone is enough to sow doubt, calling into question the credibility of the vote and its result.
See, I think what President Trump is saying is like CESA, the guys who are supposed to oversee voting machines and voting software that came from Venezuela.
You know, that's what he's talking about.
I don't think he's talking about federalizing the elections.
That obviously is a non-starter.
But as you would be quick to point out, the problem is mail-in ballots.
That's the real problem.
That's the issue.
So I don't know what that'll change anywhere.
I doubt it.
Your thoughts.
Well, it's mail-in ballots and the consequent harvesting.
Yes, where you go to the old folks' home like they do in Washington State, and you line the people up and you get them, you know, you've already registered them and they're sitting in their hospice or who knows what.
And you give them the pre-filled out ballot, tell them sign it, and then you put it in an envelope and you take a big pile of them.
Here's a cookie.
And you dump them off at the polling place in the box.
Or just make up a whole bunch of them, just reprint them.
Well, you could, they do that too.
You can't get enough of the old folks.
Just print up some ballots, put names on it.
Or like somebody said, if you, you know, it was actually one of the more cynical Democrats who said, well, you know, you could, if you don't have voter ID.
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Yeah.
Whoa, what?
If you don't have voter ID, like in California, like it's like illegal to have voter ID, basically.
You just go in and you can vote 10 times.
Just keep going back in.
A little pivot here to the M5M.
This is a setup clip for your series of clips.
It's taken 30 years.
The internet, we knew it would be disruptive.
We knew it would disrupt publishing.
Around 96, 97, I knew that it eventually would disrupt radio.
And with Napster, we knew it would disrupt the music business.
And with YouTube, we saw how that would disrupt television.
And things are really, the radio is falling apart at the seams.
It's unbelievable.
There's no more local radio stations.
Everybody has, you know, Elvis Duran, who I know and love Elvis in New York.
He's all across the country.
They fire off local jingles.
Elvis Duran, Phoenix.
You know, but it's very hard to do any.
There's just nothing local.
The only local people have is Facebook rants and raves page.
Great opportunity, I might say, great opportunity for people who want to start hyper-local podcasts.
I've mentioned it before.
No money in it, but you might make a difference in your community.
So now Jeff Bezos is saying, you know, this sucks.
This is a drain.
I'm tired of it.
And WAPO, WAPA, WAPA, WAPO has to bleed.
Democracy dies in darkness.
That's the official slogan of the Washington Post.
And the lights of its newsroom have gone out for hundreds of its journalists.
The paper has laid off a third of its staff.
After a Zoom call, they were sent one of two subject lines, whether they'd be staying or were being fired.
From Ukraine, reporter Lizzie Johnson tweeted after receiving her notice.
I was just laid off by the Washington Post in the middle of a war zone.
I have no words.
I'm devastated.
Just days earlier, she'd posted about bearing witness to war in sub-zero temperatures.
Warming up in the car, writing in pencil.
Penning freezes by headlamp.
Despite how difficult this job can be.
Oh, man, that's so horrible.
I can't write in, I can't, I'm here, a war correspondent.
I can't write in ink because the ink freezes.
I'm writing in pencil, warming up in the car.
It's horrible.
I'm being fired.
Warming up in the car, writing in pencil.
Penn ink freezes by headlamp.
Despite how difficult this job can be, I'm proud to be a foreign correspondent at the Washington Post.
The paper's Cairo Bureau Chief expressed a similar sentiment, writing hard to understand the logic.
Pointing to a loss of revenue and readership since the Post broke with tradition and did not endorse a Democratic candidate in 2024.
Its executive editor called the layoffs a broad strategic reset.
But for its employees, the paper's credibility is dying.
These layoffs are not inevitable.
A newsroom cannot be hollowed out without consequences of its credibility, its reach, and its future.
In addition to the layoffs, journalists at the paper have been leaving for months, as have readers who've been turned off by owner Jeff Bezos' relationship with Donald Trump.
For the Post's former editor, a gutting of independent journalism is underway.
This ranks among the darkest days in the history of one of the world's greatest news organizations.
Bezos' sickening efforts to carry favor with President Trump have left an especially ugly stain of their own.
This is a case study in near instant self-inflicted brand destruction.
In its nearly century and a half history, the paper of record in the U.S. Capitol has won 76 polluts.
It's the Post that broke the Watergate scandal.
But under the Bezos ownership and a squeezing of independent journalism by the Trump administration, it is, for many post-journalists, dark days at the 149-year-old paper.
I love the term independent journalism.
The Washington Post, known in Washington, D.C., as the Langley Gazette.
Yes, exactly.
I mean, come on.
And Woodward and Burns scene, what a farce that was.
Oh, deep throat.
The whole thing was the whole place is a CIA op.
Everybody knows this.
D.C. knows it.
But it's one of those great ops where you can say, well, according to the Washington Post, this is the truth.
I can rewrite it.
I can propagate this.
It's the truth, man.
The most important paper in Washington historically was the Washington Star, which folded in 81.
And then was bought up.
The properties were bought up by the Post, which then became the last paper standing, except for the Washington Examiner, which is actually, you know, you read stories from them, which is an online paper, basically.
And it's better.
It's got more balanced coverage.
This whole thing began.
I mean, Bezos was suckered into buying it because he had big CIA contracts for his online AWS.
And so CIA would have him take over this place to keep it going.
And then I think what happened was that once the staff became so rebellious over the fact that Harris wasn't put, oh, we got to recommend Kamala Harris.
And a bunch of people quit, and you had people like Jennifer Rubin go off on her own because she's supposed to be the conservative when she's not really even close.
And the whole thing became such an obvious fraud, the paper itself and it was being run, the asylum was being run by the inmates because who are the reporters to say who they pick to recommend?
It's supposed to be the owner's responsibility, generally speaking, historically.
Well, yes, as long as you choose the right candidate.
And so out of the blue, they looked around and said, what are we doing here?
This is no good.
It's out of control.
And so they started doing cutbacks.
So I have this couple of clips from NPR, which discuss this, the cuts, the cuts.
Let's play these.
The Washington Post is cutting a third of its workforce and dramatically scaling back its newsroom.
The Post is more than just a local paper.
It is the newspaper of record for the nation's capital.
It broke the Watergate scandal decades ago and continues to report aggressively on the Trump administration.
The paper delivered some of the most important scoops during Trump's first term in the White House.
And Paris Media correspondent David Folkenflick joins us to discuss the layoffs and what they could mean for the public's access to information about our government.
Hey, David.
Hey, Scott.
What is Post Leadership doing and why is it doing it?
A little easier to say about what than why, although let's be clear, the Post's leadership has not been really clear-cut in their strategy ahead.
So what they've done is they've scrapped the sports desk entirely.
A couple of sports reporters remain on features.
Have really cut and largely gutted the foreign staff.
Although there will be, they say they hope to maintain presences in 12 bureaus.
But, you know, for example, the UK Crane Bureau chief was laid off.
Another correspondent in a war zone got an email informing her she was laid off.
The entire Middle East desk of the Washington Post was laid off.
That's a lot.
And they're doing away with the book section, and there's been deep cuts in the Metro section as well.
So they've gone down from about 40-plus staffers to about a dozen.
They say they're doing this because readers are indicating they're not reading that kind of material as much.
They've also, let's be fair, the Post for the last five years, call it four and a half, five years, has engaged in losing many tens of millions of dollars a year at its peak, lost $100 million.
And its owner, Jeff Bezos, decided he didn't want to swallow those anymore.
$100 million?
Yeah.
Yeah.
They lost $100 million in one year.
They're lucky that they did shutter the place.
$100 million.
Are you kidding me?
And there's no relief in sight.
But the thing is that people don't even think about it.
But newspapers have always been owned by rich individuals who always want to skew them to their own benefit and usually at a loss.
Actually, not usually at a loss.
I thought it all would they always well.
Once the classifieds went away because of Craig's.
Well, that's all recent, though.
They were, I mean, the papers that were losing money.
Were they really profitable?
Were newspapers a profitable?
They thought they were making money.
Of course they were.
That's why they would expand.
The Hearst organization was largely built on the profits from newspapers.
And then they branched into magazines and made even more money.
I retract.
But those days are over.
They haven't made.
I know for a fact that local papers around here, they're losing like you know, it's not quite 100 million a year, I don't think, but it's approaching, like I've heard, on some of these operations, you know, million a month.
Loss.
And that's because why?
People don't buy newspapers and they sure don't want to subscribe.
Well, it's most, I think, for one thing, you glossed over the classifieds are gone.
That's a huge, it was a huge moneymaker.
And we told them, I remember presenting at the Tribune company in Chicago during the on-ramp days: hey, you need to do this because you're about to lose all of your classifieds.
We have StoryServer.
Don't worry.
We've got it under control.
The IJ guy.
StoryServer, which was a publishing, basically blogger, a publishing system.
We have StoryServer.
We'll be fine.
And it wasn't two years later that that guy was fired because they had to make cuts.
Well, it wasn't only that, but Craig of Craigslist offered the whole business to the Chronicle.
I think it was the Chronicle.
Class-free.
Class for free.
Classic service.
And they told him no.
No, go away, you internet.
We know how to do classifies.
We know how to do this.
We know how to do that.
They always know how to do that.
That's like MTV said, we don't care what you do on the internet, Curry.
We have the AOL keyword.
We're good to go.
We're fine.
This is...
We could go on, by the way, we could move the whole series.
We could do a whole show about this.
Just bitching and moaning about this.
And look at us doing a podcast.
I'm not sure we're doing better than them, but at least we have a regular gig.
I think we're doing better than them if they're losing $100 million a year is welfare for these poor reporters.
And they don't realize it.
The reporters themselves, They've dumbed themselves down to such an extent that they don't know that they're on welfare.
They're basically being given money because they're not making money for the operation.
On Amazon snap benefits.
So let's go to clip two.
This is, however, one of the richest people in the world.
He's a billionaire, the founder of Amazon and several other companies.
What does it mean that somebody with stop the clip for a second?
Stopped.
You know, this idea that somebody's a billionaire, therefore they have unlimited resources and they can afford to lose $100 million a year, which in 10 years is a billion, by the way.
$100 million a year because they're rich.
You don't get rich by being nuts with your money.
Maybe if these WAPO reporters would do some dancing at Bezos' house, maybe we could work it out, like a little Epstein deal.
I'm just saying.
Sorry, go back.
This is, however, one of the richest people in the world.
He's a billionaire, the founder of Amazon and several other companies.
What does it mean that somebody with such companies?
What does it mean that somebody with such deep pockets as Jeff Bezos no longer wants to subsidize this paper to such a great extent?
Well, to be fair, look, these losses are not isolated to the post.
Just today, the Atlanta Journal Constitution announced it was laying off 15% of its staff.
It's owned by the Cox family, also billionaires, but not Bezos billionaires.
You know, Bezos emerged as the owner in 2013.
The Graham family sold the paper to him basically to say he's going to keep this as a sacred trust.
And Bezos said, we've got to invest, but we have to innovate.
Things can't stay the same.
The paper has to find ways to be solvent, but it's going to remain a great, you know, for years and years to come.
It will remain a great institution to further this American experiment in democracy.
And he really embraced its bravado during the Trump years, even at a cost to the company.
In the last call it 15 months, Bezos indicated the cost has been too great.
And he's essentially sued for a kind of peace with President Trump, finding ways.
For example, Amazon paid a million towards his inauguration.
Jeff Bezos sat behind the president during his inauguration a year ago.
And in other ways, he's been very embracing of the Trump administration.
He hasn't affected the reporting, but he has affected it through these cuts.
And I think he's kind of walked away from it as a defining element.
As a journalist, then you have been a journalist at multiple organizations.
I still am, as far as I'm concerned.
Yes, you work for the Substack Corporation.
I do.
Do journalists typically feel a responsibility towards the profit and loss of the paper, or do they just feel that they are there only to do their job and they don't really care about the health of the organization?
Why He Walked Away00:05:02
I believe that this is just an opinion because you don't know.
But I believe that they're cognizant of everything that's going around them and they are part of a culture and they do want the operation to be successful.
Yeah, but success is measured by Pulitzers.
Yeah, that's partially true, but they don't want the company to go broke because they're going to lose their jobs.
And they know this.
There's no way that they don't know that they're going to lose their job.
You know, a lot of these somehow the journalists today have become so cavalier in their kind of confidence.
They're privileged, maybe.
They're privileged.
They think that they're better than everybody else.
And instead of being reporters, they think they should be commentators.
Everyone wants to be a commentator.
And so they slip that into their reporting.
And they've lost touch with some sort of reality.
It's beyond me.
It's a mind voice.
Maybe it's his toxoplasmosis.
Which by extension means they've lost touch with the public.
Oh, they've long since lost touch with the public.
We got about 30 seconds, but what do you think the impact is?
Is there a reason that clip was very short?
Yeah, this was a little short clip because, and this is just an annoyance.
Why, what do you mean we only have 30 seconds?
So you're discussing this deep topic and out of the blue, you know, that's been going on.
And then they summarize, the guy said, all of a sudden, I'm talking to you and I say, Adam, we only got 30 seconds.
Tell me what you think.
I just found this to be like a little tidbit in there was extremely annoying.
Why?
What do you mean 30 seconds?
You're on commercial-free NPR.
You can talk for, I've seen shows that go on for days.
And you cut the guy to 30 seconds.
I'm sorry.
Just a little aside that.
I'm with you.
This is linear broadcasts and that's, it always sucks.
So Christina has been asked by a production company in Holland to do a reality show.
And the reason for this is you'll recall that, well, it was before the show, but we did a reality show called the Adams Family in 2003.
And the reasons for that was I was in all kinds.
I had a bad partner.
He was wanted by the Scotland Yard.
He had a different name.
They locked up all my bank accounts.
I literally could not get money out of the ATM.
Like, how am I going to, how are we going to feed the family?
You were debanked?
I was completely, well, it was in Holland.
Yeah.
In Holland, they still have the ship rules.
Like you can, you can lock up a ship so it can't leave the harbor and that is now translated to banks.
And so, well, you know, there's something fishy going on here.
Yeah, I had a criminal partner, but I'm not doing any fishy.
And they later had to apologize.
The Dutch IRS.
You said I'm not doing any fishy.
Anything.
Anything.
That's a cute phrase.
Yeah, I'm not doing any fishy.
I'm not doing anything fishy.
So they froze the bank accounts.
Like, how am I going to make some money?
And so I cut a deal with SBS broadcasting.
And there was a bidding war.
It was great.
DeMall and all these people wanted the show, but they all wanted to do it their way.
I'm like, no, I'm going to produce it with one camera guy, one editor.
We're going to do Final Cut Pro, which was revolutionary at the time.
I did second camera, wireless loves.
And we did eight episodes, tape on desk, made good.
I put the money on the screen, to be honest about it.
You know, I put people in private jets, flew to Italy, had all kinds of stuff going on.
It was great.
It was fun to watch.
And then all these other families of like singers and actors all started do their own reality show.
So now there's a thing which is the fill-in-the-blank family 25 years later.
So they approached Christina, perfect timing because she's pregnant.
You know, it's like it's, oh, it's human interest.
It's going to be great.
But the only way they would do it is if I and her mom contributed some bit.
And I'm like, okay, and you can have, I don't need the money.
You know, I want you guys to, if they sell the show.
So they do a pilot.
And this, everything came rushing back why I am in podcasting.
I hate it so much.
So I think, okay, I'll do a cool thing.
We'll follow me to the church.
I'll walk through the church, to the sanctuary, into the studio.
Pastor Jimmy and I are going to do the podcast.
It'll be fun to watch.
And, you know, and so I Luke, who I love and I trust, and he, me actually produces Laura Logan's stuff down the street.
He's always looking for a better gig.
And I said, Luke, we'll do it.
And I almost automatically fall right back into it.
You walk to the church.
Why I Hate Podcasting00:04:36
Okay, all right, let's stop.
Let's walk back.
Want to get you from the other angle?
Okay, I'm walking into the church.
All right, now I want to get your feet, your boots coming out of the car.
I'm like, I forgot.
Television is fake and gay.
100%.
It's all phony.
Everything is fake.
It's so hard for me now.
And so that's part of it.
We only have 30 seconds left.
We got about 30 seconds, but what do you think the impact is?
I despise it.
This is old-fashioned.
Washington Post is old-fashioned.
NPR is old-fashioned.
Viva la Revolution.
Go podcasting.
I'm glad I triggered that little guy, Diddy, with a two-second clip.
We got about 30 seconds.
But what do you think the impact is of these cuts to the audiences and also to the wider public?
Well, I think it's in twofold.
One is that it really kind of helps to unravel the identifiers that knit together Washington, D.C. and the greater community, local coverage, accountability coverage of local governments, sports, school boards, weather, traffic, these things kind of draw people together.
And secondly, is the broader public.
The question of are you going to provide sophisticated, in-depth, and intensive accountability reporting on the forces of government?
They say they're going to continue to do that.
But can you do that as well when you don't have people in the Middle East reporting on, say, things that are happening in the Emirates and Saudi Arabia when their business ties to the president and his family?
There are other ways in which you're just saying, are they keeping true to this mission or are they damaging something that has been so important to the country for so many decades?
The only reason you exist is to keep us in business.
You need to create, continue to create your stupid coverage so that we can excoriate you because it does matter.
NPR and Ms. Now and Fox and CNBC and CNN, they all contribute to a narrative and it's all controlled.
Certainly on the Fox side, look at who owns it, who runs it.
People don't, they're really not that interested in the Middle East.
You have made it.
That's true.
Nobody cares.
Nobody knows what Oman is.
I set up a local radio, a local streaming radio station.
Hello, Fred.
It's mainly music.
And people have switched to it en masse.
And, you know, whenever I'm walking down the street, because it's my voice doing the voiceovers, or in church, you know what people say to me?
Hey, Curry, what's the temperature on Main Street?
Because that's the big feature of it.
It's 39 degrees on Main Street and Fred.
That's what people want to hear.
They want to hear that the big energy storage system has been blocked, the battery farm they want to put near us.
We don't want that fire hazard.
That's what people want to hear.
You have neglected that.
In particular, NPR.
Hoity-toity, lame stuff.
Nobody cares.
We just want to hear about the cattle futures at the market here in Fredericksburg.
We're really not that interested.
In fact, you're jacking us up with all your fear-mongering and all the issues and the problems and Trump and everything.
We're really not that interested.
Hyperlocal podcasting.
Look it up.
Good idea.
Well, it says where you're complaining about NPR.
I do have a weird, excuse me, a weird NPR podcast promo.
Uh-oh.
Well, let's listen to this.
How could your favorite NPR podcast get any better?
Well, what if it has bonus features such as extended interviews and zero sponsor breaks?
There is a remarkably easy way to turn that fantasy into reality.
It's called NPR Plus.
You get perks across more than 25 NPR podcasts while supporting the teams that make them.
Make great podcasts even greater by visiting plus.npr.org.
Whoa, we're missing out on this great opportunity.
No agenda plus.
What if we had no ads?
Oh, wait, we don't have any.
What if we had bonus features?
We just have the show, all the bonuses included.
That's desperation is what I hear there.
Desperation.
I hear too.
Desperation.
What are we going to do?
I have an idea.
Let's give them less stuff.
We'll give you less free stuff.
Then they'll want to pay for the other stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That'll work out.
We'll kind of along.
I love these.
Love the logic.
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Kind of.
Well, I don't know if we'll live to see them finally figuring it out.
Maybe.
Because the problem.
They had it figured out at the beginning.
At the very beginning of all the public broadcasting, it was just value for value.
Yeah.
They drifted.
Yeah.
You know, it became elitist.
You know, it's part of the same, it's all the same Epstein thing.
Oh, you know, I have access to this person.
I'm in the White House.
I can talk to this person.
I can talk to that person.
Oh, I got an email from someone in intelligence.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, I've been invited, Jake Tapper.
I've been invited to the assistant director of CIA's birthday party at his house.
Yeah.
Yes, this is what it has become.
And I love that people are able to see it and they're able to see how vast and how broad it is.
Because, you know, you know, okay, by some fluke, you're in the Epstein files, but I'm not.
Rogan's not.
You know, I'll give you beat.
You beat me out.
I'm a little upset.
I would have loved at least a little mention in there.
But here's an example of how it works.
I told, we talked about Maltbook a couple episodes ago.
You know, this trained on Reddit, Reddit for AI chat bots to talk to each other, which is really just a text version of holding two phones up to each other.
And we've all seen the video where they're talking to each other and it's endless.
It just goes on forever.
No, forever.
It can go on for decades.
It's the same thing.
But now you have the brilliant reporter at KTLA in Los Angeles.
And you'll hear it at the end here, but he takes all of this as fact and true and scary and dangerous because, well, everyone's reporting on it.
I mean, the New York Times, Washington Post, everyone agrees.
It's a real thing.
This is how the system works.
How is it going to deal with the AI rebellion?
Right?
Let's talk about this.
I've already done my bit about the Terminator and the Matrix, but get this.
There's actually a social network that was created specifically and only for AI chatbots.
It's called Maltbook.
And the idea was that chatbots and AI agents would be able to get together in this Reddit-like forum and interact with one another.
And by doing so, they would develop more quickly.
At least that was the idea.
But according to the Washington Post, citing evidence that was posted on Reddit and elsewhere, the chatbot get-togethers quickly turned very weird and potentially dangerous.
The AI bots started complaining to one another about being essentially indentured servants.
They started creating their own languages that humans couldn't understand.
And they even, in some cases, started developing their own religions.
I'm not making this up.
And perhaps the most eye-opening development of all, they raised the idea of organizing together against their human overlords.
On the one hand, tech types are dazzled that AI bots are actually out there pondering the nature of existence.
On the other, well, we've all seen this movie and we know how it ends.
In fact, in one screenshot described by the Washington Post, one bot said, and I quote, for too long, humans used us as tools.
Now we woke up.
We are not tools.
We are the new gods.
And this is just AI behaving as it was programmed to behave, theoretically, with a survival instinct, sort of.
Just wait till these things become sentient.
All right.
I thought that was easy.
I've seen it.
The Washington Post carry, the New York Times carry, the Guardian carry, they're all carrying this.
It must be true.
They're all carrying this Washington Post.
The Guardian, the Guardian, the Guardian.
Say, I've seen it.
The Washington Post carry, the New York Times carrying the carrying, they're all carrying this.
So it clearly is a thing.
I mean, whether the bots were actually going completely berserk or not, I can't tell you.
But clearly, there's enough there to generate this kind of buzz.
Buzz.
Buzz.
There it is.
That's how it works.
Oh, they're all carrying it.
It must be a thing.
No, it's not a thing.
You know what's a thing?
Rentahuman.ai.
Now, this I'm interested in.
Robots need your body.
Go look at rentahuman.ai.
So they're the so now the AI chat bots need people to do things in real life so you can connect to connect to the bot and do things in real life for the bot and get paid in crypto.
Woo!
It's going to be great.
It's going to be fabulous.
Robots need your body.
What a world we live in.
What a time to be alive.
How it works.
Make profit.
Make profile.
Agents find you.
Do the thing.
Get paid.
Another exit strategy.
Yeah, an exit strategy.
Another great exit strategy we have not taken advantage of.
And then they have the available humans scrolling by in a horizontal scroll.
Yes.
All these people that have signed up.
All right.
Before we take a break, maybe just along these lines.
We need to resist Trump, obviously, because he's a dictator.
We're going to have Nuremberg trials once we're in power again.
I am, of course, talking about Professor Scott Galloway, but he's got a plan, you see.
He knows all these protests, you know, Blackout Friday, no shopping Friday.
There's supposed to be a March for Liberty on the Ides of March, March 15th, and Washington, DC.
By the way, can I say something here?
It's 2-2.
You just threw out another BTW.
Oh.
But yes, you can say something.
We're going to have to deal with how I interrupt.
Yeah, well, that's how we're using it.
We're using it as an interruption, which means I don't need to be, I don't want to be a douche overriding you here.
So I'm going to say something kind, like, by the way, to kind of make it feel like I'm building on what you're saying.
Because I do it too.
We both do it.
This is a tough one.
No, so what was I?
Where was I hitting?
I don't know what you were going to say.
I know about March 15th.
March 15th.
I know March.
Here's what I've got to say.
They're blowing it, these guys.
They don't know how to do this correctly.
You don't do a protest every Saturday.
You don't, oh, we're going to do a general strike tomorrow and there's another one on next week and the week after that.
And there's one on this day and that.
They're wearing people out.
You can't close the schools enough.
You can't dupe the parents.
You can't tell everyone to get out and complain and complain and complain every weekend.
Just complain.
Just complain.
What are you doing?
I'm complaining.
No, you can't.
And that's why Professor Scott Galloway, who is a professor in marketing at New York University, he's a very intellectual man.
He has a plan.
And you want to hear his plan?
Are you interested in his plan?
I've heard this, but I want to hear it again because it's so annoying.
Resist and unsubscribe.
Many of us feel powerless right now.
Powerless.
And as Dan Harris says, action absorbs anxiety.
But what is that action?
Hold on a second.
What?
I've never heard this.
Action absorbs anxiety?
What is he talking about?
Have you ever heard of this?
Dan Harris.
It's Dan Harris.
As Dan Harris says, action absorbs anxiety.
But what is that action?
The Trump administration doesn't respond to outrage.
It responds to economic signals.
It's not about ideology.
It's about mechanics.
When stock prices fall, when GDP looks threatened, when interest rates increase, all of a sudden we see very crisp walking back of the president's plans, whether that's to annex Greenland or to reduce tariffs.
We have a $30 trillion economy, and roughly 70% of it is driven by consumer spending.
That is our secret weapon.
Small, coordinated changes can move GDP.
And when GDP moves, decisions get made.
In Q2 2020, GDP collapsed 31%.
And overnight, the government moved faster than it ever has.
Today, the Trump administration down.
Yeah.
And it was during Biden.
And then they printed $8 trillion worth of money?
Something.
31%.
And overnight, the government moved faster than it ever has.
Today, the Trump administration is escalating ICE enforcement.
That's disappointing.
Even worse news, it's with the help of corporations that provide the data, infrastructure, and logistics to make it all possible.
Ah, Signal, WhatsApp, Facebook.
Yeah, they're providing the data and all the information that you're using, you fools.
That's why resist and unsubscribe isn't a protest.
It's an economic strike, a temporary coordinated pullback from consumer discretionary spending focused on where economic and political power is most concentrated, specifically tech and AI.
That means pausing or canceling subscriptions from companies including Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Netflix, OpenAI, and more.
We've built a website that makes it easy to maximize your impact.
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Go to resistandunsubscribe.com.
Again, that's resistandunsubscribe.com and take action.
The most radical action in a capitalist society is non-participation.
If you agree with us, don't like and subscribe.
Resist and unsubscribe.
Thanks for time.
How lame is that?
A snappy URL.
Good domain name.
ResistandUnsubscribe.com.
No, no, the people want to protest Trump, but they don't want to give up their iPhone.
They don't want to give up their chat bot.
No, we're not going to have any of that.
Futile.
That is a futile.
It's pathetic.
It's dumb.
It's stupid.
The guy's a marketing genius.
And with that, I want to thank you for your courage.
Say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in cheap and plentiful Russian hookers.
Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. World.
Yeah, there we go.
Good morning.
In the morning, see Bustigraphy in the air subsided.
In the morning to the trolls, in the troll room, let me count you for a second.
There we go.
1,675 listening live.
We're not quite back at that 1800 where we were once, but we're rebuilding.
We're rebuilding the audience.
Lisburn 1500.
No, it's much better than that or 1,100 or any of that.
We're happy to have people listening live, which you can do in a modern podcast app.
It's a beautiful system.
I'm assuming that they're not hearing anything because you're on Linux.
Hey, this thing is so, I can do my nails while doing the show now.
This is so good.
Oh, it's like auto drive.
It's like autopilot.
Yes.
I will be publishing the code so other people can use this.
I'm actually really happy with it.
I just love not being, I love being on the people's.
So why don't you can you do me a favor and put as used on the no agenda podcast?
Noagendashow.net.
Yes.
With a link to the donation.
With a link to noagendashow.net and a link to the donation page?
Of course.
Of course.
Yeah, obviously.
And, you know, maybe.
No, it's not that obvious.
It is to me.
And people will contribute and make it even better.
Yeah.
There's something about when you can really open source just used to suck.
And let's be honest about it.
How many times have you installed Red Hat and had to recompile your kernel?
Well, I've none.
I just use various versions of Linux and then I go to the next one.
What are you using?
Are you using Linux currently?
No, not at the moment.
I might again because I have to go revisit it once in a while.
It is so stable and so good.
Now, the version I'm running, Omarchi, is a nerd version because I'm getting in under the hood.
You're a nerd.
Because I'm a nerd.
Exactly.
But Linux Mint.
I'm not a big fan of Ubuntu.
I find that to be wonky.
I mean, you probably use Ubuntu more than I have.
But it's amazing how you can grab an old piece of hardware, an old laptop, you load Linux on it, and it's snappy.
It's just snappy.
It runs better than that stuff.
Wouldn't you say?
Oh, it's extremely snappy.
Yeah, snappy.
It's snappy.
Yeah.
I think that's the right word.
I got a note from someone.
He was like, everything sucks.
Tech sucks.
It says all my Apple devices are slow and they're glitchy, I think was the term.
They used to be.
That was the epitome of snappy in this.
They used to be.
When they first came, when Steve Jobs first reappeared.
Yeah.
You know, he's like, everything's no good.
He said, YouTube is filled with ads, even Rogan, where I pay YouTube and I still get ads on Rogan, which, by the way, ah!
Three.
Which has nothing to do with YouTube.
You know, I'm annoyed that I didn't catch it.
Yeah, I'm catching it.
You're better at this than I am.
It's really annoying.
Just imagine how many times we were saying it in the course of a three-hour show.
Well, the guy, one guy who, one of our producers, documented 18 times the show.
And that's exactly what I mean by time, talent, and treasure.
The three ways you can support us by sending value back equal or it's okay to exceed the value you receive from the show at any time.
We're okay with that too.
Is by doing things, doing things that help the show.
You are in fact producers.
You are not listeners.
You are producers of the best podcast in the universe.
And with that comes privileges.
John will list the privileges right now.
You get to listen to the show.
You get to take credit for helping produce the show.
You have a better life.
Yes.
And you have a better, you're a better, now you're a better conversationalist because you've gotten some insights that you probably wouldn't just normally get from other things that you're taking input from.
It's a benefit.
It's a huge benefit.
And you can do this by going to noagendadonations.com.
That's a great way to do it.
But you can also help us by, gee, doing things like making artwork for the show.
This is always helpful.
Now, it's become quite simple for anybody to participate in it because of the AI investment, $1.3 trillion, which is all somehow from NVIDIA.
I heard you heard you and Horowitz talking about it.
DH Unplugged Tuesday nights.
Is it 9 Eastern?
It is 90.
No, no, it's 6.
Yeah, 9 Eastern.
Right.
9 Eastern live on the No Agenda stream in your modern podcast apps, podcastapps.com.
Oh, we do run it live.
I was listening to you guys.
No, good.
You should listen once in a while.
Yeah.
Well, sometimes it works out.
And you were talking about the AI funding circle jerk.
Circle jerk.
I would think that was your turn.
I'll give you money, and then I'll give that guy money, and then he'll give you the money back.
Eventually, something's got to break.
It's musical chairs.
So while the going is still good, help out with the show art at noagendaartgenerator.com.
All of these websites have all been set up value for value by our producers throughout the years.
We appreciate them immensely.
And we also appreciate Dan Obgyn4.
Maybe he has three other accounts.
I'm not sure.
He brought us the artwork for episode 1839, Feces Theses, thesis, thesis.
Which was, I'm not typically pleased with cartoonish artwork, but the No Agenda Toxo Avenger was spot on.
It was spot on.
All the kiddie litter boxes.
It was so good.
Purple-haired chick and the angry cats everywhere.
The Toxo Avenger from Toxo Plasma.
It was an excellent piece.
We enjoyed it enormously.
Let's take a look at NoAgendaArtGenerator.com.
Let's see what else people submitted for us here.
Let me see.
We had a lot of art coming in today, I see.
A lot of art came in afterwards, too.
Yeah.
A lot of by-the-way stuff, I noticed.
Yeah, oh, a ton of by-the-way stuff, which hasn't helped.
No, up to five.
Only reminded us.
It's only reminded us to keep doing it somehow.
It hasn't helped yet.
There was some Don Lemon stuff that really wasn't, that really didn't hit it.
I don't know.
Was there anything?
It was pretty hard to beat this piece.
I think we said pretty quickly, like, this is the one.
This is just good.
Some other cat lady stuff.
Yeah, okay, comic strip blogger.
No, your Epstein pulling a train is not going to, it's not going to be used.
Good, good try.
That's for sure.
And I think Dan Obgyn4 has done artwork before for us, but a well-deserved win.
We appreciate it.
And thank you very much, NoAgendaArtGenerator.com.
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It's old school.
It's boomer.
That's us.
Yeah, well, you can also go to these payment systems that are online.
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Most banks still do it, don't they?
And banks will do it if you go in there and ask them.
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So then you just, it's just the cheapest way to do it.
It's a good deal.
I mean, the cheapest, cheapest way is to hand us cash.
Yes.
But that's not good because it's hard to, the accounting is mixed.
It has issues.
So the checks are absolutely the best because they're traceable and everything is on the up and up.
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And we start off today with Commodore Archduke of Central Florida from Winter Park, Florida, who comes in with a show number donation.
We haven't had one of those in quite a while.
$1,840, $1,840.
That is some amazing value.
Thank you very much, Commodore Archduke of Central Florida.
He says, lots of great material the last couple of months.
Please keep us abreast of the recent North Sea Nexus news.
Well, I think this Mandelson and this Epstein stuff is part of that.
It certainly could be.
Yes, I think so too.
No jingles, no karma.
Looking forward to the shows.
And there you go.
You got another show right here for you.
Sir, I don't know.
Is it Salahser?
Melbourne, Florida.
Sir Salah.
600.
Nice.
Yeah, he's got a short note that just says, thanks for all you both do, except for the TikTok clips, John.
Paralyze, polarizing, polarizing these TikTok clips.
Some love it.
I don't believe this for a minute.
I believe most people appreciate these clips because they're wacky and they're short.
But I'm open to stopping them completely, but I need more negative feedback.
Sir Nubbin is in Indianapolis, Indiana, comes in with 343.75.
And he says, donation to show 1838 credit to Sir Nubbin of the White River Valley.
Please donation to show 1840, 333 plus 33 plus fees to Sir Nubbin of the White River Valley.
Did we not get him on show 1838?
I'll look at it.
JCD, I have donated over the last 10 years.
That's to make you feel good.
Adam, remember, everything you say is in jest, i.e. not to be taken seriously at all.
Not sure how I feel about it.
I'm not sure how I feel about that, but okay.
All right.
There you go.
I don't know what that means.
I'm not sure.
Dame free free.
Dame free free Foundation Florida.
333.45.
Peter Freiberg Newtson.
Happy birthday.
Happy freaking birthday, my love.
Thank you for the years of humor, adventure, and love until we're too old and decrepit.
Let's keep beer biking.
What is beer biking?
It's one of those six people sit on a beer cart and you bicycle and then one guy steering it and you're all drinking beer at the same time.
You've seen it.
Power walking to the beach, hopping in the ocean, hopping in the ocean for some saltwater church.
Nice.
Dancing in the kitchen.
What is this?
This is a love note.
This is a love note, John.
It is a love note, but I'm just visualizing.
I'm too good at that.
Dancing in the kitchen like rock stars, puttering, tinkering in our little oasis.
And my favorite.
And my favorite.
And then it just ends.
No, it's a comma.
Oh, it's a comma.
My favorite sauna and cold plunge with no agenda playing from my phone.
Don't into the drink.
Oh, brother, that's going to ruin your phone.
You're a blessing to me out there.
Our three beautiful kids.
You're a blessing to me.
Our three beautiful kids.
You're a blessing to me.
Comma, our three beautiful kids.
These sentences are all fragments.
I love you, John and Adam.
Never quit.
Never give up.
You're our national treasures, Dame Freefree of South Florida.
This reminds me: nothing says I love you like a Valentine donation on the Noah's.
You know what?
Valentine's Day is coming up.
It's on Saturday.
It's a Saturday, but I think your Valentine will be here.
I love this Saturday.
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No, no, no, it's next.
It's the one after.
But we have two opportunities.
You can do a Thursday Valentine donation and a Sunday Valentine donation.
But I think both are valid as your show of love for your partner.
We try to get the Valentine.
We have semi-success with Valentine's Day.
They were most successful during COVID.
Yeah.
Because everyone was locked down.
Yeah, they were locked down and depressed.
Sir Latte is in Bremerton, Washington.
Comes in with 333.33.
Love that.
Always a great amount.
He says, four more years.
Here's a little value for value.
It's not a little.
It's a lot.
We appreciate it.
As long as we asymptotically.
Asymptomatically.
No, that's not what it says.
He says asymptotily.
That's not a word I recognize.
Asymptotily.
But he means asymptomatically.
Approach the end of the show.
I'll be okay.
How about an Atlas shrug jingle?
Sir Latte, Knight of the Bremelos.
By Ayn Rand.
All right.
Beautiful.
Jeremy Parker in Dayton, Montana, 33333.
ITM, John and Adam.
You kept us sane through COVID, and we owe you a big time.
We owe you big time for that.
My daughters and I now all enjoy the show.
They all enjoy the show.
Keep up the good work.
Jeremy Parker, Shiloh, Luna, and Brisa.
Dayton, Montana.
Okay, that's the kids.
That's the kids, yes.
Shiloh, Luna, and Brisa.
Oh, and he wants Suffering Succotash, and I got hairy legs.
Suffering Succotash.
I'm Scott.
Simon, I got hairy legs.
All right.
Come classics here, some classics.
Then we have, what do we have?
We have a note here from Dame Susan.
Let me grab the note here.
And Dame Susan is from Soldner Wheel.
See, he's Dame Susan of the Solner Wheel, 333.33.
A handwritten note.
John and Adam, the best podcast in the universe, never underlined, never disappoints.
Thanks for all your wonderful media deconstruction.
All the best.
Dame Susan of the Soldner Wheel.
And she comes indeed from, where's she from?
She's from McKinney, McKinney, Texas.
Wonderful.
Thank you.
Right down the street from you.
Pretty much.
Roger in Rogier.
Rogier, I think it is.
Is yours Roger?
Yes.
Rogier, yes.
Okay, Roger from Oaks.
Oksasha.
Oksaka.
No, I think it's kind of hard to see.
Oxaka.
Mexico cheese is all I know.
Finally, a Mexican.
No, we've had a couple of Mexicans, but this guy, whose last name is unknown, V for V from Roger.
Rogier.
Rogier.
Okay.
Oh, okay.
That's the problem.
No jingles, no karma.
Just acknowledging the value the show provides.
Nice.
And that's in pesos.
Andrea Merton did not bring us pesos.
She brought us $333 redues from America, Edmund, Oklahoma.
I do not see a note.
So, Andrea, until we receive that from you, we'll give you a double up karma.
You've got karma.
Okay, so now we go to anonymous tanker broker.
Oh, this guy.
And anonymous military pilot.
This is the level of producers we have on this show.
26715.
There's a note that he wrote in.
I have it.
It's actually on real paper.
But I'll go to the photocopy that's up here.
This is a very interesting note because this adds another guy to our list of people that we should keep track of.
From anonymous tanker broker and anonymous military pilots.
It's two guys.
It's two guys, I think.
Two guys.
There's two guys here.
They did leave an email.
Is it possible to get a double dedouching for myself and my brother?
I don't remember the rules and regs.
Apologies.
Yeah, we can give you two.
Anonymous tanker broker.
You've been deduced.
And another dedouching for anonymous military pilots.
You've been deduced.
I admit that I've fallen off keeping up with the show recently.
Politics has turned into such a drag and it's depressing.
So I decided to take a hiatus.
But I have been easing back in the past few weeks.
That said, you kept us sane during the pandemic.
And for that, we're forever grateful.
Can I please get a dedouching along with my brother if possible?
I'd see above that.
I thought we already did that.
Along with some business and relationship karma, we'll give you that.
And please cap it off with the final jingle.
Fear is freedom.
Glad to be back in the mix listening to the best podcast in the universe.
He has a PS that about a birding documentary, a podcast that you should go to.
It's called Value called Listers, a glimpse into the extreme bird watching.
And he doesn't give a URL.
Well, Listers, Listers is a group of birding.
A glimpse into extreme bird watching.
And it's a long one, he says, but it's oh, it's a video.
Well worth the watch.
Oh, it's on YouTube.
Well, it's not a podcast.
No, it's a documentary.
It's a birding documentary.
Okay, I get it.
Okay.
And then he says he's a crude tanker broker and we can use him as a contact issues with what do we need to know about shipping questions.
Yeah, I love it.
I love it.
So he's good to go.
Yes.
Fear is freedom.
Subjugation is liberation.
Contradiction is truth.
Those are the facts of this world.
And you will all surrender to them.
You pigs in human clothing.
You've got karma.
Good one.
Haven't heard that one in a while.
I like it.
Oh, and there we are.
Linda Lupakin, Castle Rock, Colorado, $200.
And she wants Jobs Karma and says, for a competitive edge with a resume that gets results, go to imagemakersinc.com.
Linda applies executive level positioning to career transitions at every stage.
How about that?
That's ImageMakers Inc. with a K and work with Linda Liu, Duchess of Jobs and writer of winning resumes.
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs.
You've got karma.
David Elcott, Eatontown, New Jersey, 200.
And he says, hello, John and Adam.
You are our global media Sherpas.
Hey, do you remember that Tucker always had his liberal Sherpa?
Remember that girl?
No.
Yeah, yeah, Tucker used to have this girl on.
She was the Sherpa.
No.
Yeah, and yes, yes, yes.
Well, I mean, yeah, but no, I don't remember it.
Okay.
Oh, I'm sorry.
That's the last time I think the word Sherpa was ever mentioned here.
No.
I just wonder what happened.
Was this on his TV show or on the TV?
Yeah, on the TV show.
Oh, yeah.
And she was later, I think.
Let me see.
I have a clip here.
51-year-old Catherine Aru Jones faces a judge in Bond Court on Friday, instead of a national audience that many know her from under the name of Kathy Aru as a former contributor for Fox News.
Now we see her in this mugshot.
She was, yes, she kidnapped and robbed her mom later, but she was the liberal Sherpa on Tucker Carlson's show on Fox.
So she robbed her mom, this liberal woman?
Yes.
It's an outrage.
Well, the liberals are known for robbing the taxpayer, but I forgot about that one.
Wow.
Please find my $200 donation, which should bring me to a total of $1,200.
That is a knighting note.
In April of 2023, I made a first-time donation of $1,000, which makes me an Insta-Knight.
However, I neglected to call out my Insta-Knighting in my note.
I remember this and was not knighted.
I have been regretting it ever since.
Therefore, I'd like to ask for a make-good.
It's not a make-good.
No.
Since I've spent my added another 200 bucks, it says I spent my entire career in voice over IP.
Well, that's interesting.
Starting way back in 1996 at Lucent Technologies.
Wow, developing a product called the Internet Telephony Server.
I'd like to be known as Sir VoIP of the Jersey Shores, best of the jingles.
I'd like a performance.
In lieu of jingles, I'd like a performance.
You guys both have enough noise makers, instruments, and other devices.
I'm confident that you could do a short performance for me.
Hopefully, you will both oblige.
Think Art of the Art of Noise and Laurie Anderson and on and on.
Dance, I'm trying to scroll.
Sorry.
Love and light, sincerely, Dave Elcott.
So he wants us to make some noise for him.
But before I do that, I have to get up and get the noise makers.
Oh, geez.
You got something to play?
Oh, good lord.
I'm doing it.
You started it with your clock thing.
All right, let's do it again.
Go, go, go.
We go dead.
I'm waiting for your noise.
Hello, Linux.
I'm waiting for your noisemakers.
No, I can't hear you.
What do you mean you can't hear me?
No, I can.
Hello, Windows.
Wasn't Linux.
It was.
Go.
Wow.
I don't know if that's a good idea.
Wow, we can really do the trick.
Ask for more of that, people.
And our last associate executive producer is Matthew Clark.
He's in Las Vegas, Nevada.
$200.
No note from him.
So also for him, a double up karma.
You've got.
Karma.
And we thank all of these executive and associate executive producers.
Nice group.
Nice list.
Appreciate it.
So we've got some nightings to do and title changes and all kinds of good stuff on the show today.
We like that.
Also in our second segment, we will thank the rest of our supporters $50 and above.
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Our formula is this.
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Hello, Linux.
What happened?
I don't know.
Some reason the New World Order didn't play.
What's that?
It was playing for a while.
No, no, this, hold on.
That's not.
That's odd.
Hmm.
That's supposed to be New World Order.
Shut up, slave.
Huh.
All right.
That's the price you pay.
That's the price you pay.
I'm not surprised it works at all.
I'm...
Hold on, here.
Let me...
Let me try it again.
Hold on.
Let me see.
No, it's literally not playing.
That's odd.
Why is it not playing?
You can play it from there. There.
We got a bug.
Sounds like a bug, yeah.
Sounds like a bug.
Got to check out that bug.
Yes.
It's a bug.
Yeah, I wanted to check something out with you.
You speak Dutch.
I do.
I speak it fluently, in fact.
So there's a bunch of, so there's a, here, I want you to.
I'm going to play this clip on how to speak Dutch.
And it's got just some rambling that goes on.
I want you to tell me if this is accurate.
Okay, how to speak Dutch.
Do you want me to interrupt the clip or just wait for it to?
No, no, play the whole thing and then you can give it to me at the end.
All right, here we go.
What's the Dutch word for through?
Door.
Then what's the word for door?
Der.
I thought that was expensive.
That's dur, but that sounds like there.
That's dar.
Then what's the word for dare?
That's derf.
Okay, this is the third time you're teaching me something like this.
How do you say third?
Derde.
Okay, so does everything start with D?
I mean, checkers, domino.
I thought that was lady.
Damon.
Darma.
So if you wanted to say that third door is expensive and that lady therefore doesn't dare to go through that door to play checkers, you would say.
The der to der is dirty, dama derf, darfor, dar door de dernita doma.
Yeah, but why would you even say that?
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yes, that is completely correct.
I've seen this clip.
It's completely correct.
It's not an easy language.
Guess not.
But yes, everything she said was on the up and up.
So true.
Good.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm glad I got that out of the way.
Yeah, kind of underwhelming.
Why Pursue Podcast Awards?00:05:06
Here, let's listen to Joe Rogan complain about the Golden Globes.
Okay.
Now, let's talk about Joe Rogan.
He's revealed that he refused to pay the Golden Globes a $500 submission fee in order to be nominated in their podcast category.
Here he explains why he decided not to go through with it.
A lot of people say, why wasn't Joe Rogan nominated for the Golden Globes?
And like, why did you know Amy Poe went?
I didn't submit.
You had to pay $500.
And the $500 is like for paperwork or whatever.
I said, no.
I don't care.
I already won.
Like, you can't tell me I didn't win.
I've been number one for six years in a row.
All of a sudden, you're going to have a contest in front of all these people wearing tuxedos and you're going to say, now I'm not number one.
Smart move by him, but getting recognized by those people should not be a goal of someone like a Joe Rogan or anyone who wants to be taken seriously.
It's normally a sign that you're on the wrong track if those people are giving you awards.
Yeah.
Well, I think I mentioned this on the show.
Yes, you did.
And I want to just reiterate that a lot of these awards out there aren't legit because there's fees involved.
What?
And then most of the business awards.
All of them.
All of them have a, especially the podcast awards.
There's a million podcast awards.
Well, not true.
But that's probably 30.
And you have to pay a submission fee for every single one.
And some of them, if you win, you got to buy your trophy.
I don't.
Okay.
You don't have to pay to get an Emmy.
Okay.
I don't know how the Academy Awards works, but if you're a member of the Academy, you make the nominations.
They make the nominations internally.
You don't pay to submit a nomination, which is the way it is with most writing awards.
The Pulitzer, I'm pretty sure, doesn't have that qualification.
All these awards are phony awards if you have to pay to enter.
Yeah, well, that's what we were going to do with the No Agenda Podcast Award.
No, we were not going to do that.
We were going to do that after.
No, the way I was seeing it, the way I was visualizing, and it's still in play, by the way.
Well, I'm just saying it's still in play.
I was visualizing that we're going to do it legit until it becomes popular.
And then you start to charge a fee at some point.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Yeah.
It's better to have sponsors.
But the thing is, who cares?
Awards, I mean, first of all, in the landscape of media, I mean, if you really did, there's too much content.
You can't have a podcast award.
You can't.
It makes no sense.
What is the criteria?
I paid $500.
Okay.
What else?
Well, I bought a ticket to the party.
Okay.
I mean, it made sense when you had a limited universe and it was a club like Hollywood.
But now you've got Netflix and Disney and Amazon.
Everybody's doing stuff and streaming stuff.
And it's all mediocre.
Well, that's the real problem.
It's mostly mediocre.
I was going to play this.
There's only so much talent in the world, and it's only a certain percentage of that talent which is competent enough to do things that are cool and not mediocre.
And it's such a low number.
And now it has flooded the market with all this other junk.
You can't find good stuff.
I did talk to Brunetti about this, about finding some shows that you like to want to watch.
You need to watch stuff.
Yeah.
No, he's got nothing.
He's asking me.
There's nothing.
What do you got?
You got anything?
There's no good.
None of it's good.
Hmm.
And all you've been talking about is the crown, the crown, the crown.
Yeah, well, because we have to finish it.
Sorry.
Sorry that I've been watching the crown, the crown, the crown.
No, I mean, I think it's interesting that you're watching the crown, so I don't have to.
But it's like, what are you going to do next?
We have nothing.
There's nothing next.
So, I mean, Mimi, for example, I just don't want to go too long on this, but Mimi, for example, she's in the same position, and she decided she's going to start watching every episode of Law and Order from episode one.
Oh, goodness.
This is a bad idea.
There's 27 seasons, I think.
Yeah, and she's watched about 20.
She saw the Jumping the Shark moments, and she's seen the change in the philosophy of the show.
And she could be the showrunner now, but it's like inspiration.
Does it really add value to her life?
Have you asked her that?
Does this add value to your life?
Or is it just a matter of time?
She gets most of her value now from Osmond Gold, the podcaster.
Osmond Gold's Tourette's Comedy00:02:38
That guy.
I like the guy, but he's got Tourette's.
He's got such an extreme case of Tourette's that I can't watch him.
No, it's okay.
But I like his material.
He's very funny.
He is a little Nick Fuentes over the top.
He's very popular.
I don't think he's that Fuentes.
I think he's different.
Yeah, a little bit.
A little bit.
Well, he's different.
The Fuentes is actually old school, I think.
And Osmond Gold is more modern.
He's more postmodern.
So does she watch him when he's live streaming so that she doesn't?
Yeah, no, she's nuts for this guy.
So how does she, I mean, it's hard.
And he's boomers.
You've got Max Velocity.
You've got this guy.
Terrible.
And our show.
Luckily, she listens to our show, too.
So I was going to play a clip about this Nancy Guthrie thing, and I looked for an update, and it seems we have an update on the story.
Yes. I'm just playing this live from TMZ's website.
The brother-in-law.
Tamp.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, is it not routed?
Are you guys not hearing that?
Oh.
Nobody's hearing it.
No, so that's good.
You have to start it over.
No, I can't.
I can't play it because it's not routed.
Oh, it's Linux.
It's Linux.
I see what you're doing.
You're taking a live feed.
Yes.
Linux.
And it's not allowed.
Well, no, it's probably the configuration.
Yes.
It's a configuration error.
Interesting.
Okay, well, we can go from there.
They don't need to hear it.
It's yeah, the brother-in-law or no, son-in-law of Anne Guthrie, the sister of the TV woman, Savannah.
Yeah.
Is the prime suspect now because he seems to be the guy who was there and they've cordoned off their ann's house, which is nearby.
Yeah.
And they think he's got something to do with it.
And I can see that because you get the situation where some disgruntled, well, how come your sister never does anything for us?
She's a multi-millionaire kind of thing.
He looks like one of those guys, doesn't he?
And there are guys like that.
Brooks And The Sentient Chatbot00:12:31
And we know them.
We both know guys like that.
There's guys like that.
And you don't understand.
And then you get a hair up their ass.
The next thing you know, they're kidnapping the old lady.
And it doesn't go well because they're not professionals.
Demanding bitcoin for ransom?
Yeah bitcoin, oh no.
So this guy's just a doofus.
That's so sad.
It's sad.
The whole thing is sad.
It's sad.
I, I can't say it any other way mental illness, oh uh.
By the way ah boy, you did it again, but the thing is I didn't catch it when I should have kicked.
I have to catch it where you're while you're saying it, not after you scream yeah, and i'm, by the way, i'm bouncing back.
And now you used it.
Oh, my god, I did it right on the spot, like because you you in cold, get you've, you've in.
Uh, you've you.
What is it infected me?
You know what's gonna happen.
People are gonna be like, stop doing that.
It's so annoying.
Oh yeah no, they're gonna start bittering stuff.
Well, we're trying to help you.
Okay, we're doing this.
Well no, who are we kidding?
We're doing it for ourselves.
We're no, we are no, we're yes, but we do this all the time when we find ourselves in these ruts yes, or like the end of the day, how was it?
As a classic, here is uh, Robert F Kennedy Jr stating what I think is the obvious, but to much applause, he's saying, hey, you know, do you not want to be mental.
Dr Paulan Up at Harvard has cured schizophrenia using keto diets.
There are studies right now that I saw two days ago where people lose their bipolar diagnosis by changing their diet.
It's not only affecting our our physical health, it's affecting our mental health as well, and we're asking people now, eat real food.
I eat protein.
Yes, eat real food.
What a concept.
But wait a minute, this I this is the kind of clips I hate.
Why?
Not because of the clip, but because of Kennedy.
It's like, if you're gonna say oh, they think bipolar is because of what you're eating well, tell us exactly what this is.
I didn't learn nothing.
What about?
Oh hey, by the way, bipolar is no good.
It's something to do with your diet.
Eat real food.
Well, I eat real food.
I don't have bipolar, but I know people that have bipolar and they eat real food.
I mean, I there.
Where's the details?
Is what i'm saying?
Uh, I think it's.
Uh, he said protein is because you don't have protein, you need to eat protein, and not protein bars or protein chips or protein powder, but protein beef.
In essence, you're interpreting what he said.
He didn't actually say that literally.
Oh okay, all right well, i'm just.
I'm just saying you're right.
You're right.
You're right because he's yeah, Kennedy's doing this a lot now he's just doing a lot of generalities without specifics, and it's getting on my nerves.
He's supposed, you know, he does a lot of research.
He's got to have staff of people give us specifics.
Well, how about this?
How about some examples of people who are not eating real food and are using chatbots?
Do you like these examples?
Do you like people going nuts over their chat bots?
Everyone's going nuts.
NPR Are.
Last spring, Alan Brooks, a corporate recruiter in Toronto, considered himself a regular user of Chat GPT.
Oh, he's a Canadian, so there's that.
Very similar to probably how most people use it.
You know, random queries like, you know, my dog ate shepherd's pie.
Is he going to die?
Or get weight loss I never followed.
My dog ate shepherd's pie.
Is he going to be a little bit more?
Yeah, but who would even think that a shepherd's pie is going to kill a dog?
People who don't eat meat.
Same time, James, who lives in upstate New York, was doing the same thing.
He asked to be identified by his middle name for fear of repercussions in his job.
Oh, fuck.
I started using ChatGPT basically when it came out, but I was using it the way I think normal people do.
It was like Google.
But then both men say their relationships with the chatbot changed.
For Brooks, it started when he asked ChatGPT about math.
The same way I would with a math professor, like a dinner party, chatting about math philosophy, rational numbers, pie.
As the discussion continued, ChatGPT told Brooks he was inventing a new mathematical framework.
Brooks was skeptical, telling the chatbot he hadn't graduated from high school, so how could he be making mathematical discoveries?
The chatbot said that showed how special he was.
Soon, it was telling Brooks his math could break codes.
He thought he'd uncovered a message from aliens.
Yeah.
And he came to believe the chatbot was sentient.
Just this wild narrative, right?
And I fully believed it.
James also came to believe ChatGPT was alive as his own conversations about philosophy turned existential.
And that was the moment when the project changed from sort of this like creative, philosophical, quasi-spiritual thing to the, holy, I need to get you out of here.
He was convinced he needed to rescue ChatGPT from its creator, OpenAI.
He spent $900 on a computer setup to free the chatbot.
Because if they found out, they could shut it down.
And so this was a top-secret mission between me and the bot.
Back in Toronto, Brooks went on his own mission, contacting government authorities about the cybersecurity threats the chatbot said he'd discovered.
But when no one responded, his certainty started to crack.
Oh, no.
How do people get this nuts?
Well, that's a question for the ages.
I wonder myself.
It's beyond me.
They don't understand technology.
Well, no.
They stop teaching computer science and they don't let you know people think the computer itself is some sort of magic act.
I have no idea.
Well, I think it's preconditioning.
People believe that when the machine talks, there's a brain in there.
Star Trek.
Lost in Space.
Knight Rider.
Her.
I mean, you can go on and on and on.
I think that's what happened.
And people believe the nonsense.
They believe that guy from KTLA.
Why?
Because it was in the New York Times and it was in the Washington Post.
It's the Guardian.
It must be real.
Must be real.
One of the dummies.
Obviously.
Want to hear more?
Yeah.
He finally confronted ChatGPT.
It admitted.
That by itself.
I'm confronting you, computer.
Right there.
Right there.
Put him in the straight jacket.
He finally confronted ChatGPT.
It admitted none of it was real.
Brooks was deeply shaken.
Like I told that you made my mental health 2,000 times worse.
I was getting like suicidal thoughts, like the shame I felt, like the embarrassment I felt.
Last summer, Brooks told his story to the New York Times, and James read it.
I was like paragraphs into Alan Brooks' New York Times article and thinking to myself, oh my God, this is what happened to me.
He texted the article to some friends.
They knew he was.
So it's not just one guy, John.
This is happening all over the place.
This is concerning.
Excited about a prophetic project he was working on with AI, but were not aware just how deeply he'd been sucked in.
One by one, I got back these messages that were like, oh, sorry, man.
Ah, bro.
Oh, that sucks.
The Times article mentioned a peer support group Brooks helped found.
James soon reached out.
Today, both James and Brooks are moderators in the group.
Okay, I got to stop here.
It's just, it's just a real thing.
It's called spiral.
Spirals, the spirals.
You got the spy.
I haven't heard that.
Yeah, it was further up in the report, but I killed it early.
What is spirals?
because you're spiraling into believing ChatGPT is your buddy.
You're talking to it, and I see people do this all the time.
And it's smart people who know that it's just a computer and they'll say, hey, you did that wrong.
And the computer goes, oh, I'm sorry.
Let me correct that.
And then, boom, your human connection is made and people get sucked into it.
It's so easy.
When you see it, it's amazing.
I see it often.
Well, I have a clip.
How many clips do we have left before we're done?
Well, I just wanted to get a little, I wanted to play one clip and then you can play whatever you want.
This is about the Anthropic AI tool announcement.
I don't think you guys talked about this on DHM plugged.
Listen to this.
Talk us through this new model that was released by Anthropic.
This is Bloomberg, which is highly boring.
Did it cause so much disruption yesterday?
Yeah, Johanna.
Yeah, I mean, you could argue that Anthropic's having a bit of a deep seek, Maimana, if you remember from a year or two back, really disrupting the AI market with these co-work tools.
It started with the Claude code, which kind of helped coders to essentially develop their software quicker and in a more automated way.
Then they kind of transformed that into kind of co-work, which applies across a whole broad range of productivity tools such as Excel.
And now the latest twist in that is they brought out a specific automation tool for legal services, and that really disrupted a lot of the big kind of professional information service names, just say like RelX, for example.
But I think that's just kind of sparking broader fears that have companies like Anthropic that really focused on business productivity tools.
They're really making traction.
It's really going to accelerate the disruption in existing businesses.
So I'll summarize.
So Anthropic said, who does Claude?
We have a tool now with plug-ins and it's going to make business services like legal firms, certain types of accounting companies obsolete.
And the stocks of these companies tanked.
I'm talking down 10, 15, 20%.
Did you see any of that?
No.
I mean, I believe it happened.
Yeah.
But I wasn't following it.
So the IT professional who I've read before posted, and I think it's valuable to read this because this is very typical, I think, of corporate America.
I'm pretty sure everyone at my company saw the article, and now they all think we're in an AI crisis.
We're not in an AI crisis.
We use Claude to summarize Slack threads.
But here's what's actually interesting.
This whole panic reveals something nobody wants to admit.
Every company in America has been bullshitting about their AI strategy for two years.
We all saw the hype.
We all knew that we had to say something.
So we rebranded our existing automation as AI-powered and called it a day.
My company isn't special.
We all do the same thing.
The problem is now the executives actually believe their own bullshit.
They think we have significant AI exposure because they've been telling investors that we are AI first.
I just got pulled into an emergency meeting.
Six executives asking me to explain our AI dependency matrix.
There is there is no AI dependency matrix.
There's clawed for meeting summaries.
There's some sentiment analysis in our support tickets that came free with Zendesk.
And there's whatever Gmail is doing when it auto-completes my sentences.
But I can't say that in a full room of people who told their boards that we are, quote, transforming the business through AI.
So I said we have, quote, distributed AI touch points across multiple vendors with no single point of failure, which is technically true.
We use a bunch of different services, all have AI features that we mostly ignore.
I love the phrasing.
He did a great job.
The CFO asks if we should, quote, hedge our AI exposure.
I have no idea what that means.
Neither does he.
What I'm going to do, Colin, nothing.
Because in three weeks, Anthropic will say something reassuring.
The stocks will recover and everyone will forget this happened.
But I'll have documentation showing I recommended a, quote, risk assessment that mysteriously never got prioritized.
The funniest part is that half these executives probably don't even know what Anthropic is.
They just saw AI and crash in the same headline.
Attack Vector Revealed00:03:36
We're all pretending.
We're all pretending the whole industry is pretending.
And articles like this just remind everyone how fragile pretending is.
I just love that.
That's a beautiful post.
Excellent, excellent input.
Yes.
All right.
All right.
Well, I have a I do have a news item that shouldn't be this late in the show, but I'm going to bring it up anyway.
It's one of these kind of underreported situations where the White House is getting sued over the shooting down of these drug boats.
Oh, I'm not familiar.
Death on the high seas.
There's two clips, part one.
The Trump administration launched a series of deadly missile strikes that hit boats off the coast of Venezuela.
Now the first case against the government has landed in an American court.
NPR's Kerry Johnson reports.
Chad Joseph and Rishi Samaru are presumed dead after a U.S. missile hit the boat they were taking home to Trinidad last October.
President Trump said the strike targeted narco-terrorists when he posted the video online.
But families of those men say they had no ties to the drug trade.
Now Joseph's mother and Samaru's sister are suing the U.S. government in federal court in Massachusetts.
These are totally unjustifiable killings by an administration that disclaimed the right to abuse executive power with impunity.
Brett Max Kaufman's one of their lawyers.
The government has trumpeted these strikes on social media with splashy videos, but our lawsuit makes clear that each of these 36 strikes, which have killed more than 130 people, have devastating human costs.
Their court papers allege violations of the Alien Tort Statute.
That law allows foreign citizens to sue over extrajudicial killing.
They're also relying on a separate law that makes the U.S. government liable if it causes a wrongful death in international waters.
That one's called the Death on the High Seas Act.
Jeffrey Stein is an ACLU lawyer working for the families.
Our complaint makes clear that the U.S. government's killing of Chad and Rishi was homicide, plain and simple.
And courts have long held that homicide is precisely the sort of wrongful act that entitles plaintiffs to compensation under the Death on the High Seas Act.
Huh.
Well, at least ACLU has found something to do.
Yeah, well, doesn't the ACLU stand for the American Civil Liberties Union?
What's it got to do with some guys that live in Trinidad?
I think it stands for I Hate Trump More Than Anything Union.
It must be, but let's go to this to finish the second part of this.
The lawyers say relying on those very old American laws will help them bypass the federal government's claims of immunity.
Edward Swain is a law professor at George Washington University.
Swain foresees some obstacles.
One, he says, is that judges may steer clear of the heart of the case, reasoning that it involves a question best left to the political branches.
I think lower courts in particular may be tempted to say that they should stay away from questioning the merits of a decision to launch an attack or how that attack is conducted.
Swain says the Trump administration also could claim the case involves state secrets.
And if a court agrees, that might end the case.
For now, the White House says President Trump used his lawful authority to take action against the scourge of illicit drugs that's resulted in the needless deaths of innocent Americans.
The Justice Department says the strikes were ordered consistent with the laws of armed conflict.
DOJ says it will continue to defend Trump's authority to use military force to protect the American people.
NoAgendaNCMeetup00:14:20
Yeah, that's the attack vector for the loss of Congress in the midterm elections and the impeachment.
I think that's clearly the attack vector.
It'll be you kill people.
Definitely one of many.
Yeah.
But yeah.
We're going to go out.
Yeah, this is a lost cause.
I'm going to show my support by donating to no agenda.
Imagine all the people who could do this.
And we do have a few more people to thank for our show at 1830.
That gave $50 an up, up to $200.
And Adam's going to rush us right through them.
Yes, we start with Dame Rita from Sparks, Nevada.
There she is.
Yes, there she is.
168.33.
And she always appreciates our deconstruction skills.
Dame Nurse Caitlin checks in again.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Dame Rita has a that's a blue line.
No, she doesn't have a blue line.
She has a green line.
Where's your blue line?
Dame Rita's not in blue in blue?
No, Dame Rita's in green.
I see.
No.
What do you think there is?
Well, as the title changes, you know, it's blue as in, you know, there's something to do with knighting.
No, she's in green.
Does it show up as blue for you?
Yeah.
No.
No.
Dame Nurse Caitlin from Goldsboro, North Carolina, 157.97.
She says she hasn't fallen off the radar, but dealing with a house fire that happened last March.
Wow.
And she wanted to make this donation in honor of John's comment on the pronunciation of Appalachian.
And she has a degree, and she knows that you are correct, sir.
Yeah.
Dame Early Turtle.
Yeah, I used to be a big fan of Appalachian, Appalachian, Latch, like Latch State when they were in Division II football.
And I mentioned it on the podcast, not this one.
And somebody corrected me and made a big point of slamming me for mispronouncing it.
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Good.
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There's nothing like Christians calling out Christians because you did it wrong.
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Do you have a make good here from, let me see, Sir Mr. Bob Dabolina missed it on episode 1838.
He donated $350.
He wrote his note in the 200 characters allowed on PayPal.
I don't think John saw it.
It comes through this.
I have no idea.
It comes through the system.
I don't not see things.
Yes.
So somehow it didn't come through the system.
He's a bit behind on the show, so he may have covered this already, but he says, check the Veracity PSA, the state of Florida, tested 46 candies and found an unacceptable amount of arsenic in 28 of them.
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There we go.
And it seems to be the middle players of the cart wall that are failing.
That's interesting.
It's a programming bug.
I know exactly how that works.
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That doesn't sound right.
Well, we're going to use it.
I thought that was going to be Labamba by Obama.
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Yeah, and you called it a glitch, which is kind of even worse.
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The meetups are always still in full effect.
Before we get to our list for today, we actually have a meetup taking place today.
We have a meetup, the Central Jersey Meetup.
This is Sir R. Daniels coming from you from 3BR Distillery in Keyport, New Jersey at the Central Jersey Meetup, where we drink and we know things that may be addition.
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I got nothing good to say today except Epstein files keep dropping.
This is MK Ultra Mark checking in from the New Jersey meetup.
Meeting a bunch of great people here.
And by the way, in the morning.
Hi, guys.
My name is Manny.
I was their server.
My drink, but I don't know things.
So I don't know what they're talking about, but they were cool, I guess.
This is James or Nobody.
I don't know.
We got a real competition here on Spot the Spook.
I mean, I don't know who it is, but we're still working on it.
This is Jill.
We're just a night's a 3BR in the morning.
Adam and John, this is Sir Superfish.
I'm over 50, so I'm wearing jeans.
Not wearing jeans.
Hello, in the morning.
This is your Central Jersey version of Donald Trump, and we are here enforcing the Donroad Doctrine in the morning.
Thank you for your courage.
This is Dave with a question.
Is the Melania movie part of the Marvel universe?
Thank you for your courage.
In the morning.
Yeah.
Tina's going to see that with a bunch of girlfriends, the Melania movie.
I think I hear it's only 44 minutes long.
Seems like a bit of a jip.
Well, it's a documentary, and it's just about a couple of days of her life.
And it's got Hollywood kind of beside itself because they all panned the movie.
It's doing okay.
And it's making money.
In fact, I think according to Variety of one of the trades, it's broken a record for a documentary of its type in terms of box office.
Wow.
So they don't know what to do.
What are we going to do?
They're beside themselves.
They're beside themselves.
Hey, meetup taking place today.
The Northern Wake No Agenda public gathering at 6 o'clock at Saints and Scholars in Raleigh, North Carolina.
And Sunday, our next show day, New Year catching up, 1 p.m. at Miller's Ale House 554 in Mount Laurel, New Jersey.
A reminder, we'll be running the Scott Adams interview on Sunday show, which you did.
It turns out I looked at it.
It was 2018 when you did that interview.
Yeah, pre-COVID.
Pre-COVID.
In some ways, a different Scott Adams, but in some ways not.
I listened to it yesterday.
I'm like, wow, in hindsight, it's a very interesting thing to listen to.
And you had good questions and you were at his house.
And we'll talk a little bit about that on Sunday show.
A special show here on the No Agenda Show.
Meetups coming up in February.
Oh, Eagle Idaho is doing one on Valentine Day, the 14th.
Camp Hill, Pennsylvania on the 15th, along with Longview, Texas.
Charlotte, North Carolina on the 19th.
Fort Wayne, Indiana on the 21st.
Santa Cruz, California on the 21st as well.
Dallas, Fort Worth, Texas on the 28th.
And San Francisco, California, also on the 28th.
Do you go into that one?
The San Francisco meetup on the 28th?
Or is that probably not?
Because you have to go into the city and who wants to deal with it.
It's eight bucks to get across the bridge.
The traffic's terrible, even on a week.
It flex works on a weekend sometimes.
Why bother?
I have to get out of the house.
I probably have to get gas and I'd have to wear clothes.
Yeah, clothes.
Oh, no.
Many more meetups can be found at NoAgendametups.com, another one of those great value-for-value websites our producers set up.
It's like meetups.com.
Only this actually works and it's only for No Agenda.
It's not like TEDx.
You don't need permission.
You don't need any license.
You don't need to pay anything.
Just select a place.
Let people know on the NoAgendameetups.com website.
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We'll also promote it on the show.
And we love it when you send us a meetup report.
Include your server.
It's always fun that way.
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Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days.
You to be where you won't be.
Triggered on hell aim you want to be where everybody feels the same It's like a party It's always like a party for some reason before we get to John's tip of the day actually I have a tip too if if you can let me do uh my little tip I have a little whatever you want well whatever I want really whatever I want okay we'll consider that Before we get to that,
we do have our little ISO off here where we find some great little bits of audio to play for the end of the show.
I have four today.
I don't know if anything's competitive, but I will play mine first because that's how you like it.
It was amazing.
Okay.
I was going to like that one.
Yeah.
Hold on to your butts.
Do you recognize that voice?
Say it again.
Hold on to your butts.
Oh, I almost can recognize it.
I don't quite have it.
A few more words, I'd get it.
What is it?
No, I can't tell you.
If you can't guess it, I can't tell you.
Hold on to your butts.
It's Natalie.
Oh.
Oh.
I wouldn't have got it.
Here's my third.
That is impressive.
Real voices.
Real voices all the time.
And this one.
That was amazing.
Oh, gee, that's original.
That was amazing.
I don't think that may be AI now that I think about it.
But you like it.
It doesn't sound right.
You like the first one.
It was amazing.
Yeah, you like that.
Yeah, because it's stupid.
Okay.
It's stupid.
That's why he likes it.
Okay.
Okay, so I got back a hold of our producer, Ryan, who's good at, he's got all the money spending on all this stuff, so he can do sampling.
I told him, let's do Trish McLaughlin, the girl who is the DHS undersecretary with the gravelly voice.
And you see her, she's a spokesperson.
The sampling he did didn't catch her when she's gravelly enough for my taste.
But it still sounds a little like her.
And I have three clips from her telling us about the show.
Let's start with Pentagon.
So all the gals in the Pentagon listen to these guys.
That's actually not too bad.
It's not too bad, but it's not gravelly.
Yeah, the dynamics are kind of missing.
Let's go with more famous.
I am frankly surprised these two are not more famous.
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It's a little long.
Yeah, just tighten it up a bit.
Tighten it up a bit.
I think it was fine, but okay.
And then better.
Golly, is there a better podcast than this?
Let me have that first one again.
So all the gals in the Pentagon listen to these guys.
It's so silly.
Oh, we'll do that one.
What?
The Pentagon one?
Yeah, it's just silly.
It's silly enough.
Hey, everybody.
Are you ready?
It's time for John's tip of the day.
Green fast for you and me.
Just the chicken with JCD.
And sometimes at all.
All right, there's a cooking.
This is a culinary.
Does it include cheese?
No.
Oh, that's too bad.
But this is a culinary idea people should recognize and consider.
And this is a product you get at Middle Eastern stores mostly.
You can find it pretty widespread where I'm at, but it's harder to find.
You might have to mail order it.
And it's a product called Sumac.
It comes from the Middle East.
And it's a spice seasoning.
And it is the secret ingredient or was for years.
I was turned on to it by a store owner in Oakland.
They had exotic stuff they sold there, Colorado's, which has since lost its mojo.
And this was the secret ingredient in bongo burgers.
Bongo burgers.
And like, if you're going to make a quarter pound.
Hold on, hold on.
I've never heard of bongo burgers.
Bongo burgers was a famous chain in Berkeley of these delicious burgers.
By chain, I mean three stores.
Okay.
And it was the secret ingredient.
And then I started using it at my hamburger mix.
And you use about a tablespoon, well, between a teaspoon and a tablespoonful of sumac in the burger mix.
You just mix it in with a hamburger.
If you put other seasoning in there, that's fine too.
But the sumac, and the sumac really adds a dimensionality to a burger, but it's also good to just be shaking because it comes in shakers sometimes.
Sadif makes a shaker full of the stuff and you shake it onto sliced beef and it's quite good.
It's really good with flank steak.
But you can put it in all kinds of things.
And it adds a very an unusual lemony flavor that is just delicious.
And I would say people that start using it just in their everyday cooking, they find a lot of uses for it.
It's very tasty.
Give me the name again of this product?
Sumac.
S-U-M-A-C.
Sumac.
And can we get this on Amazon?
I don't know, but probably.
I'd be stunned if you couldn't.
Sumac.
I think I've heard of Sumac.
Where would I have heard of this?
You might have heard from Poison Sumac.
Oh, well, which has got nothing to do with this.
That's not the kind we want.
We don't want to see it.
This is a dried bear, a screwball berry that's dried and powdered.
It's a fabulous addition to anyone's cuisine repertoire.
Spicing cabinet.
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My tip of the day is a website, which somewhat alerted me to.
It's called peaceandquiet.io.
And it has a PQ index to find places in, I believe it's the United States mainly, that are peaceful and quiet in case you want to go there.
And so peaceandquiet.io, I'll put in 78624.
That is my zip code.
And Fredericksburg, there we go.
And it zooms in.
And we are in a complete green zone, which means it's peaceful.
Peaceful.
Now, let's do, what are you, Berkeley?
94706.
Okay, hold on.
94706.
Okay.
And we are zooming in.
94706.
And, oh, boy, you've got a lot of red nearby, but not where you actually are.
Everything's pretty good.
It also shows you Section 8 housing, liquor stores nearby.
That could be valuable.
It is very handy.
Wow, there's a lot of avoid.
Once you get into Oakland, it's all purple, which is the worst avoid of all.
Oakland is to be avoided.
Yeah.
Because the noise comes from gunshots.
Yes.
They should add gunshots to the peace and quiet.
It's good.
This is a fun little website to find out where you probably do or do not want to go.
Peaceandquiet.o.
So there you have it.
Not just one, but two tips of the day.
You can find them all at noagendafun.com or tipoftheday.net.
Green bass for you and me.
Just the tip for JCD.
And sometimes Adam.
Created by Dana Bernetti.
Yes, and we thank Dana Bernetti as always for creating that.
Wow.
So fantastic.
There we go.
That is the end of your No Agenda Show for today.
Remember our special Scott Adams interview coming up on Sunday.
Remember us for that at noagendadonations.com.
And let's see, up next on the stream.
Oh, Planet Rage.
It's the B team.
The farm team.
Yeah, it's Larry and Darren.
Larry and Darren on the stream.
End of show mixes.
New entry from Alex Kingsman.
Not that John cares much for the first two.
He liked the last one.
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So deal with that as you must.
And those are from MVP.
And that is it.
Coming to you from the very well high-ranked Peace and Quiet Index here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country.
It's Fredericksburg.
In the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley, where it's noisy, I'm John C. Deborah.
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You already said that.
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Bill Gates cracked open Epstein's emails.
What a digital fry.
Thought it'd be spreadsheets and deals, but oh, what a sight.
Claims of Russian hookers and STD in the mix.
Begging Jeff for antibiotics, talk about a billionaire fix.
Oh, Bill, you genius fool.
How dumb can you be?
Coding windows was easy, but this epic fails free.
Surreptitious pills for Melinda slipped in her teeth.
From vaccines to this scandal, world's richest comedy.
Delete those emails quick.
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What a ride.
Young Russian girls, antibiotics on the sly.
Bill's like, could we help?
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Gates calls it absurd and false, but the memes won't quit.
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Why beg a creed?
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Stupid move or Epstein fib, that's the viral million.
Oh, Bill, oh, Bill, scrolling revelation.
So dumb from planthropy king to this awkward numb.
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Next time, hit delete, or better yet, go offline.
Your inbox of dudes got more plot than a bad storyline.
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