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This is your award-winning Kimbo Nation Media Assassination Episode 189.
This is no agenda.
Blowing up votes and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas New Country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
Hey, from Northern Silicon Valley, where we we've discovered the Democrats don't like kings, but they love Queens.
I'm John C. Dvorak.
Woo!
Woo!
Did Marty write that for you?
No, I wrote that myself, thank you.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
I don't know.
It was a little too good.
Yeah.
So I I did uh I look I followed some of this No Kings Day stuff, and there's really there's really two things that you can just see happening everywhere, every single one of them.
And I wouldn't say it was a complete failure.
I mean, they definitely had some crowds here and there.
Um I thought it was a huge success for them.
Yes, yes.
That's what well, that's what I'm saying.
It's uh it was it was reasonable.
Um I'm trying to think.
Do I have I thought I had Well what would be more than reasonable to you?
Well, you know, it was the the thing is it's just everybody was kind of nice.
You know, just walking around.
So better would be if they'd rioted and actually made a fuss.
Then it pulled a George Floyd.
Yeah, maybe it's an interesting point to make.
Here's uh let's see.
Let me see.
I think this is the report I was looking for.
Thousands of people are expected to descend on the nation's capital for a no king's rally, a peaceful movement seeks to send a message to the Trump administration saying that America does not put up with would-be kings.
This week, multiple Republican leaders called next week's event a hate rally.
This hate America rally that they have coming up for October 18th.
Uh, the Antifa crowd and the pro Hamas crowd and the Marxists, they're all gonna gather on the mall.
This is about one thing and one thing only to score political points with the terrorist wing of their party, which is set to hold as uh leader Scales just commented on, a hate America rally in DC next week.
And then October 18th is when the uh the protest gets here.
This will be a Soros paid for protest where his professional protesters show up, the agitators show up, we'll have to get the National Guard out.
Hopefully it'll be peaceful.
I doubt it.
So none of that.
This was not a Hate America rally, this was not Antifa.
I, you know, yeah, it was funded by wealthy sources, but it wasn't necessarily a George Soros funded organized protest.
No, that the Walton woman is part of this uh funding group.
Yeah, the independent.org, whatever those people are called.
Uh no, it's not independent.
What is it called?
In in indivisible.
There we go.
Indivisible.
No, but but the two things that well, there are a couple of things.
First of all, everywhere, American flags.
Uh, it looks, if anything, it looks like the movement wants to hijack patriotism back from the right, if if there is such a thing.
So I was just, I was happy in general just to see people with American flags.
We haven't seen that from the so-called left in a long time.
So I kind of like that.
But this was the general consensus amongst every single person who was interviewed Man on the Street.
It was always basically this.
There are many, many reasons.
I do not want to get into all of them because I cannot stomach stomach stomach stomach the thought of it.
Literally displayed himself as one with AI generated crowns, and by quite literally positioning himself in Kingly Regalia, having a golden ballroom.
Who needs a golden ballroom?
Seriously.
It was like there was nothing about policy, nothing about Republicans.
No, it's just to hate Trump.
To hate Trump, and this is my favorite lady.
There are many, many Oh, whoops, sorry, that's not the one I meant.
Uh here, this one.
This is the lady.
No King's Day.
And why specifically are you out supporting No King's Day?
I think protests is important.
Why are you protesting?
Um, what's the main reason you're out here protesting President Trump?
Is there any decision in particular you disagree with?
Where okay, so I I would start with um I don't even think I don't even think it's appropriate for me to have this interview.
Yeah, that's correct.
I I have a topper.
You can top that lady?
Oh goodness.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
I believe this is a topper.
All right.
Uh I have three clips on No King's Day, but this one is start with the topper, which is this is the man on the street.
Uh yes, okay, here we go.
Trump's a bitch.
Yeah, why is that?
I don't know.
He's just we don't like him.
That's the word around here.
Any particular reason why you don't like him?
No clue at all.
I'm just going with everybody else saying.
Are you sure that wasn't AI?
That was real?
Yeah, there was some guy, some white guy sounded like a black guy.
Oh, it's a white guy is even funny.
I know.
Trump's a bitch, man.
It's a bitch.
It's a bitch.
Why?
I don't know.
It just is.
Well, I I have just a few quick clips because I see you have uh NPR stuff.
Well, I yeah, I to have one more person on the street we should probably play first, which is the Unity Unicorn, which is another classic in the lines of that first one you played.
I am the unity unicorn.
Got my head out of my costume because I can't breathe right now, but we're here doing a peaceful protest.
Trying to get our democracy back, trying to get the current White House impeached and all removed for crimes against the United States and against our Constitution.
Everybody here is being peaceful.
So everybody here is being peaceful.
I just want it out there.
For anybody that's out here, we do have free water and a cooler.
I brought some water for everybody in case they get thirsty, or if somehow pepper spray happens to hit them, we have a way to wash it out.
So anyway, this is my little uh catch up for today.
So hopefully I'll be doing more of these protests, or hopefully we won't have to.
All right.
See you later.
Bye.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And when I look at this group of people, I'm like, these are just Americans, they're not they're not running around, they're not breaking stuff.
They have been completely brainwashed into one thing and one thing only.
We need our democracy back.
And that's actually that's actually worse than anything because they believe they have been completely brainwashed into believing we have a democracy.
You know, and so the the chance, everything was there.
We love America.
We have to fight for our democracy.
Our democracy.
If you paid attention in high school, junior high, or college.
If you pay attention to those lessons, some of the things are happening here where countries, people in other countries, bad things happen to them.
And we have a pattern going on here, and so we need to stop it.
This is what democracy looks like continuously.
And I realized this is it.
It's the this is what democracy looks like.
Which is you know, we learned that if you paid attention in school, yeah.
I don't know what school you went to, but unfortunately, the the scholastic system has let us down and taught people some retarded things about our republic, our constitutional representative republic.
It is not a democracy.
We just have to keep saying it now.
And Bernie Sanders came out doing it.
No President Trump.
We don't want you or any other king to rule us.
Thank you for the other words.
But we will maintain our democratic form of society.
No.
We don't have a democratic form of society.
This is the problem.
Now I realize they've just been taught complete different America.
I don't know if that's fixable, but dude.
Like, get it together.
It doesn't seem like the left is mad at the right.
They just hate Trump.
And I thought your newsletter was very on point.
You know, the the joke of it all is that it's literally kings and monarchs who are trying to destroy us with the North Sea Nexus, and then these people come up with no kings.
It's it's it's it's demented.
But the people who point I have to say uh and it is something we keep forgetting, or I at least I have, and I think maybe generally everyone has, which is that we are a constitutional republic.
We're not a constitutional democracy.
No, or more than a couple politicians calls a constitutional democracy.
We're not.
Or or could Tulsi Gabbard saying a democratic republic.
No.
No, we're not.
Get it straight.
That's wrong, too, that she says that.
They're all saying it because it's been drummed into everyone.
Yeah, that it is, and so then we're losing our democracy, which we don't have to begin with.
We are a republic.
And if they truly wants to ex We've been talking about this, by the way, on this show for at least 15 years.
Yeah.
But you're right, because it's it's so prevalent.
This is what uh I didn't clip it.
Corey Booker.
This is what democracy looked like.
But that's not but the thing is, if this is what democracy looked like, then okay, you lost.
Shut up.
So you want a democracy where the mob rules, in this case, the Republicans rule, they would be the mob.
And then if this is what democracy looks like, then shut up, go home, and wait until you have the mob rule.
So it it doesn't even make sense.
Because that's not what democracy looks like.
Actually, as you think about it, if a bunch of people in the streets screaming their heads off, including the we you have to hear the uh hey-ho, uh gotta go stuff.
Oh, I have two new ones, yeah.
It's just like if that's what if this is what democracy looks like, it's a mess.
Yeah, exactly.
Who wants that?
This is uh this was a very odd one.
Get FEMA out of DHS!
Get FEMA out of DHS.
I saw this one.
Get SEMA even rhyme.
Get FEMA out of DHS and what and then what was this one?
Hey, hey, Donald J. How many kids did you saw today?
Hey, hey, Donald J. How many kids did you saw today?
Hey, hey, okay.
I'm not even sure what he's saying.
How many kids did you have Hey hey, how many kids should you starve?
Oh, starve today.
Oh, okay.
Got it.
So yeah, but otherwise, I was actually quite happy.
I'm like, oh by the way, well, what when is Trump starving kids?
Yeah, well, I don't know.
Well, it must be Gazans, I guess.
Yeah.
But but I I like that the you know, these I like the flags, like a lot of Americans with flags.
West Coast coverage is a little different than what you saw.
Well, there's a lot of Mexican flags and a lot of translations.
Hello, hello.
We're I'm talking about America.
You no longer live in America.
That's close enough.
No, it's not close enough.
No.
All right.
What do you have?
What's this NPR stuff?
What do you ask?
Well, this is uh the only one summary report that I thought was was interesting because this is NPR's report on the uh I mean they every news channel, they were c overcovered it, especially out here.
Yeah.
And it was like, oh, look at this, look at that, and there's just a bunch of people in the and a lot of mostly old people.
Oh, no, no.
You know, a lot of it's like the retirees all came out of the woodwork.
Well I I it always hurts to see the Vietnam vets, you know, in these projects.
And there's a lot of old la old uh old old unreconstructed hippie ladies that are, you know, I hate to say it, but they're my age, and they just look dreadful.
They just look just horrible, horrible looking people.
You could have gone out and you could have scored, man.
That sounds sounds like it was paradise.
I'd have I'd still be itching.
So uh so uh this is this is to me a classic because it it's NPR, they want their funding back, and they're and they're I don't know what they're trying to pull here, but this is I consider this one of the most slanted news coverage reports I've heard for a while.
In rural Shenandoah County, Virginia, demonstrators packed a quarter mile of sidewalk for the No Kings rally against President Trump.
Randy B. Hagey with member station WMRA has more.
Hey, hey!
Ho!
Donald Trump.
The No Kings gathering was part of a seven month streak of weekly protests against the Trump administration.
Here's one of the organizers, Dr. Mark Pierce.
The reason we are out here is to give a message that we are not his subjects.
Local resident Joan Griffin has been consistently protesting here.
The fact that they are grabbing people who are even American citizens off the street.
The cutting off a funding to universities and the like for research.
And then I'm very disturbed by what is the apparent destruction of the federal government.
More than 70% of voters in the county cast their ballot for President Donald Trump last year for NPR News.
I'm Randy B. Hagee in Woodstock, Virginia.
And that's part of some 2500 marches around the country today.
So they had seven million.
I'm looking at uh MSNBC now.
Seven million protesters.
Okay, so you got two percent of the country.
That's that's what democracy looks like.
You are in the minority.
Go home.
You lost.
Isn't that how what democracy looks like?
Or okay, you're protesting.
It's fine.
I think a lot of people are just protesting just because well, it's the American thing to do.
We protest, which I'm I'm totally okay with.
Oh, street, I heard every report.
Look more like a street party.
Well, that's fine.
That's good.
No, I I was I thought this was actually a very American type of thing.
You know, Americans get very confused.
All of us do at some point.
And you go out, and you know, we're we're out there, we're we're letting our voice be heard, and in this case, all we have to say is we hate Trump, we hate his golden stuff.
Um, but they know little about government or how it works or what our constitutional republic is really supposed to do, which is just protect our rights as citizens and not much else.
Dismantling of the government, I'm all for that I think that that should be the stance.
It's just it was interesting.
I I the way the Mike Johnson, or anti-fa, whatever.
Mike Johnson's useless.
National Guard.
No.
No.
These were actually peace-loving Americans who just have no, you know, the the they have no uh, they get no poll on TikTok.
So they, you know, let me go out with some other people, and I'll feel like I don't even know how to.
And if you you think about it, think about the images you've seen of all the people out there.
You didn't see you saw very few of them holding a phone.
Oh, interesting.
Well, how come you this is your people?
You should have been out there.
They were my people.
They didn't have a phone.
And it's like, but and they were in my age group.
Which is, I mean, it was just a bunch of old farts, basically, and they didn't have phones, you didn't see anybody on their phones because they they were there were old.
This was a uh retirement community.
Let go.
Okay, everybody, let's hit the streets.
Here's 10 bucks.
Here's 10 bucks, there's some signs.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
Well, no, there was some younger people, but it's just very few.
But at least not here.
Yeah.
Most of the images, uh, imagery I saw was very few young people.
They're mostly uh middle um 60 and up, no phones, uh dumb.
They didn't know anything about what was going on.
That's kind of the egregious part, is that they they really just don't know much about our system, how it's supposed to work, how it has been working.
You don't actually want a democracy.
That that is the end of everything.
Just look at Europe.
These people I love the people who say, Oh, I'm gonna go live in Lisbon.
It's great there.
Okay, all right.
Don't don't hang out too long.
Because it's all gonna come crashing down.
Lisbon.
I'm going to Portugal.
It's the best.
No, not really.
You'll see.
So, yeah.
So I'm I'm I was pleased.
I was I have to say I was just pleased that it wasn't what it could have been and what the Republican scaremongers told us it would be.
Yeah, we've always had we've always had dumb people in America.
We've always looked at other Americans, that guy's crazy.
Yeah, we've had a lot of weird things that we do that we get into.
Like uh jazzer size.
We've had some odd odd ones.
Uh you're wondering.
You kind of like out on the lit.
You're just kind of going off here.
Yeah, I am.
I am jazzer size.
I was wondering where this is headed.
That's just nowhere straight into a pitch.
Wow.
Straight into a pit.
I did have one clip from Don Lemon, who now, if anyone's a problem.
Don Lemon and did you should arm ourselves?
Yeah, that's the one.
It's like Don Lem.
That's a great clip.
Now, by the way, I yeah, I agreed with Don Lemon.
Everybody should arm themselves.
Most people agree with Don Lemon.
Yeah.
It's just that his attitude about it is wrong.
Black people, brown people of all stripes, whether you're an Indian American or a Mexican American or whoever you are, go out in your plate where you live and get a gun legally.
Get a license to carry legally.
Because when you have people knocking on your door and taking you away without due process as a citizen, isn't that what the second amendment was written for?
Go back and read what the second amendment says.
And perhaps it will knock some fence in the head in the heads of these people who are saying, well, it's all great.
I don't believe they're doing it without due process.
They're asking people for papers.
They're not really beating people up.
These people are doing things that are illegal.
Nobody is illegal.
It is a misdemeanor to cross the border.
It's missed to me.
I I love somehow the audio on him got really fliffy.
He sounds better that way.
Because Miss Pamina.
You know, the other thing is, besides this fact that he thinks misdemeanor's not breaking the law.
Yeah.
He uh which we had in another clip, but he lives in New York, I think he lives in New York, if I'm not mistaken.
You can't get a gun in New York.
No, no.
No matter what you think.
No.
But the so I I when I saw this, I did question myself because I've seen some other posts.
Posts on the X. And I wonder, you know, because I live in a predominantly white community in Texas.
I mean, am I missing something?
Am I missing American citizens who are brown and black being rousted and arrested and asked for their papers continuously?
I don't see a lot of video evidence of it, and you'd think you would see it if that were happening.
Yes, that's a good point.
Where's the video evidence?
Yeah.
I mean, we've had enough of the the kid being zip-tied.
We know what that was now, and you know, uh dragged out naked.
And but like I said on the last show, where you know, the the white liberals of Austin are like, we need to do ice training for when they come to take our brown people.
There's just no evidence of it.
You know?
No.
So I I'd like to see that.
And I understand the the empathy they have, but you know, it's this is what democracy looks like.
The the president was democratically elected, then he said he would do this, and I think he's doing what he said he would.
And going way beyond with these these boats.
Man, this is this is a North Sea Nexus attack.
This is fantastic.
What the boats?
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
President explain that one.
Okay.
As you said, and I agree with you, that these drug boats, this is all drugs for Europe.
And I'm in complete agreement.
Knowing that in particular, uh once something comes into the port of Rotterdam, where most of the drugs come in, you know, through whatever pipelines coming from Colombia, coming from Venezuela.
Look, that's where the coke comes from.
Um that is their money.
That's the big, big money.
It's the banks are involved, the politicians are involved.
Drugs is the business.
It's the certainly the business of the Netherlands.
It's one of two things.
Either storing money for well, three things.
Storing money for big tech, which is tax-free because there's no tax on intellectual property, which is which is why the Rolling Stones have all their main offices there.
Or you're running uh mailbox accounts for Russian oligarchs, or you're in the drug trade.
I mean, that the it's it is a drug transport haven.
It is a narco state.
And it's been that way for decades.
So, yeah, when you start to start to um take out boats, well, yeah.
And now, uh, you don't think Trump is taking the boats out on the behest of the of the uh kings.
No, no, they're the ones taking the money.
Yes.
Oh, come uh 100%.
Absolutely.
That's why white supremacy, by the way.
What do you mean that's white supremacy?
To say 100%.
Oh, that's why supremacy?
Yeah, I somebody said that.
It's white supremacy.
No, they didn't come over to somebody I on one of the MSNBC or somebody came out.
Oh, really?
Oh, that's great.
So um let me see.
So I didn't even know this was going on.
We have Operation Pacific Viper.
This is not even in the Mediterranean.
This is Operation Pacific Viper.
As Coast Guard has announced it, he's seized more than 100,000 pounds of cocaine.
The seizures are part of Operation Pacific Viper.
It started in August in the eastern Pacific Ocean, targeting drugs from Central and South America.
Officials say they are seizing 1,600 pounds of drugs daily.
86 people have been arrested, suspected of narco-trafficking.
The Coast Guard says it is focusing on drug smuggling routes in the eastern Pacific Ocean and dismantling narco-terrorist networks.
Which includes Colombia.
The United States has struck yet another ship in the Caribbean.
In a bragging post on social media, President Donald Trump posted this video claiming the vessel was a drug-carrying submarine.
U.S. intelligence confirmed this vessel was loaded up with mostly fentanyl and other illegal narcotics.
There were four known narco-terrorists on board the vessel.
Two of the terrorists were killed.
One of the survivors was a 34-year-old Colombian who authorities say has been repatriated and will be prosecuted for alleged drug smuggling.
Washington claims its unprecedented military campaign in the Caribbean has so far killed at least 27 drug smugglers.
In Colombia, there is a different story.
Local media reported that one of the victims from a recent attack was a fisherman, whose engine was switched off and had issued a distress signal.
An enraged, President Gustavo Petro shared the reports on his own social media.
U.S. government officials have committed murder and violated our sovereignty in our territorial waters.
Fisherman Alejandro Carenza had no ties to drug traffickers and his daily activity was fishing.
The US has been building its military presence in the Caribbean and since September has targeted at least six vessels.
Some from Venezuela.
Human rights experts have described the strikes as extrajudicial killings.
Yeah, of course that's the main narrative.
Like everybody's like, oh, you this is illegal killing.
Illegal killing.
Like what killing should be legal?
Oh, it's illegal killing.
And uh I guess because of the the past couple of days, CBS, you know, brought it all back in a report about CIA in Venezuela.
In a dramatic new show of force, three B-52 long-range bombers flew for hours yesterday off the coast of Venezuela.
Late today, the commander in charge of the mission, Admiral Alvin Hosley abruptly stepped down, a surprise move less than a year into the job.
That's after President Trump told reporters he authorized CIA operations in the country, prompting concern from Democrats on Capitol Hill.
Starting wars that may spiral out of control ought to be deeply alarming to the American public.
There are now 10,000 troops in the Caribbean, including eight warships and a submarine.
And new images show military helicopters which could carry special operation soldiers 90 miles off Venezuela's coast.
We are certainly looking at land now because we've got the sea very well under control.
The U.S. military took out another alleged drug carrying boat this week, the fifth strike in six weeks.
Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro has fired back against the escalation, saying there will be no regime change or CIA orchestrated coup.
President Trump has not explicitly called for regime change, but the administration has made clear It does not want Maduro to remain in power.
There's a $50 million reward for information leading to his arrest for alleged drug trafficking.
Former U.S. ambassador to Panama, John Feely said Maduro has long been a problem for the U.S. He is the nominal head of a government that has been wholly captured by organized crime in Venezuela.
And I I think the problem is not even so much.
Well, the drugs are the problem, of course, but we have to go back to the Panama papers.
That's how all the drug money was being hidden.
And it's from remember how many people had money involved in the Panama papers?
Everybody.
Yeah.
And people don't even even know it.
I got a lot of money.
I give it to those guys.
Those guys did something with it.
You know, it's all stored offshore.
And and this is this is the cartel, and I think President Trump is bringing it down.
Interestingly, or at least this is a start.
It's pretty big.
Interestingly.
It's pretty big when you're bringing in a hundred, you know, 50,000 pounds of coke at a time.
It's 15,000 pounds a day.
How much cocaine is the American public consuming?
Well, it's not a good thing.
You can sense a lot of it by some of the people that you see, even on podcasts.
I never notice it.
That's your job.
That's your beat.
You notice the I'm always surprised that you never picked up on that.
You know, sometimes you could tell, but just listen to a guy talk at that.
Maybe he's been something's draw with his he's got an adenal solve.
We've got they're all over the place.
It's like the number of people that you hear that have the coke voice.
Uh is it it's I'd be saying it too often.
Well, you know, that guy sounds like you can't keep accusing everybody being coked up sometimes with these numbers I'm hearing.
Maybe they are.
No, it's Europe.
Europe, everybody's doing coke in Europe.
I think you're you're wrong.
I think I think I think a good portion of the of the of the politicians are coked up.
Oh, that's in this country.
Yeah, no, I'm I'm well, they're just getting part of the supply.
They're in the supply chain.
And by the way, as a former drug user, I can just say cocaine is not an excellent drug.
This sucks.
You know, weed, yeah, all right.
Um, you know, I I can I can go with that.
But cocaine, no, it's just a crappy drug.
Anyway, so Maduro, uh apparently, according to this journalist, he said, What do you want?
I'll do anything you want.
Just stop it, make it stop, make it go away.
I didn't even know he had said that but this is what this journalist said to the president in a question Mr. President has been reported that Maduro offered everything in his country all the natural resources He even recorded a message to you in English recently, uh, offering mediation.
What should we do?
He has to stop that.
He has offered everything.
He's offered everything.
You're right.
You know why?
Because he doesn't want to fuck around with the United States.
Thank you, everybody.
Hey, hey, wow.
Yeah, that's that's big boy talk right there.
And and then this surprise, by the way, I've heard that clip a dozen times, but they've always bleeped out what he said.
Oh, well, it's that's no good.
And this, you know, this um this head of U.S. military for Latin America command or whatever it is, in a surprise move, he has resigned.
But that's not entirely true.
It's the latest shakeup in the senior ranks of the U.S. military under the Trump administration.
The admiral who oversees operations in the South Caribbean and Latin America will step down in December, two years earlier than expected.
December.
It's not like he quit right away.
Like, you can't be killing people.
I quit.
I'm a military man.
We don't kill people.
I quit.
That's a good line.
He's retiring early.
On behalf of the Department of War, we extend our deepest gratitude to Admiral Alvin Holsey for his more than 37 years of distinguished service to our nation as he plans to retire at year's end.
The New York Times reports a U.S. official said Holsey raised concerns over attacks on alleged drug votes, and a source told Reuters that there was tension between him and Secretary Heggseth in the days leading up to the moment.
On October 10th, Florida-based U.S. Southern Command announced it would create a new joint task force based in North Carolina to coordinate future counter narcotics operations in the Western Hemisphere.
The shakeup takes place in the backdrop of a U.S. military buildup and an escalation of tensions with Venezuela.
Yeah, it's just connecting things.
I honestly don't think it's connected.
I think the guy's just tired.
You know what, I'm getting out early.
Oh no, this is no good.
And and France, man, France is in the crosshairs.
This got almost no press.
At least I didn't hear about it until I came across this one clip.
France's biggest bank, BNP Paribas, forced to pay millions of dollars because of its operations in Sudan.
It's been found complicit in atrocities that took place in the country in the early 2000s.
On Friday, a US jury cited with say what?
That was BNP Bank National Paris.
Yes.
That's a big bank.
It's the biggest.
It's the biggest one.
We'll listen to the accusation that they were uh uh found guilty of.
It's been found complicit in atrocities that took place in the country in the early 2000s.
On Friday, a US jury sided with three plaintiffs after hearing testimonies of their suffering at the hands of Sudanese soldiers and militias.
Our clients lost everything to a campaign of destruction fueled by US dollars.
That's BMP Paribas facilitated, and that should have been stopped.
The plaintiffs, two men and one woman, originally from Sudan, but now American citizens said that they had been tortured, burned with cigarettes, and in the case of the woman, sexually assaulted by Sudanese forces while former President Omar El Bashir was in power.
The plaintiffs argued the bank backed El Bashir's regime by giving it access to markets to export resources, enabling it to buy weapons for use against its population.
The war in Sudan killed 300,000 people and displaced millions between 2002 and 2008, according to the UN.
Attorneys for BNP Paribas said it had no knowledge of the human rights violations and that the plaintiffs would have been abused or tortured despite the bank's operations in the country.
"Sudan would and did commit human rights crimes without oil or BNP Paribas." The plaintiffs will be awarded over 20 million dollars.
Their lawyers say their case may open the door for 20,000 other Sudanese refugees in the US to seek billions of dollars in compensation from the French bank.
Not that we care much about Sudanese in America.
I mean, I didn't see any protests about the 300,000 dead people.
Who cares?
No Jews, no Jews to blame it on.
Here's uh you know, since that's right, it's Bank National Parad Peri Bash, I think is what it's the last stands for.
Yeah, it's uh it's the biggest one.
And so they were funding that guy.
I I don't say you know, they're doing banker stuff.
They're giving money to people.
Exactly.
All wars are banker wars.
I'm not I'm no disagreement from me there.
And now we've got our boys.
Hey, France is weak.
I know.
Let's put in the call to the boys.
Down again to just one A. Credit ratings agency standard and pause has notched France down to A plus one month after Fitch did the same thing.
It means Yeah, from the from double A from AAA to double A to A plus.
That's way down.
That's horrible.
Yes.
They think the country will be slower to repair its finances and repay its debts than previous day expected.
We expect policy uncertainty will affect the French economy by dragging on investment activity and private consumption, and therefore on economic growth.
It's a slap in the face before France's fractured parliament begins debating a new budget on Monday.
The downgrade is an unusual move outside of regular scheduled updates, and came at the end of a turbulent week in which Prime Minister Sebastian Le Cournu survived two no confidence votes and pledged to suspend the highly controversial pension reform.
Reacting to the rating, Finance Minister Roland Lescure said it stressed the importance of approving a budget by the end of the year.
The agency highlighted France's very good fundamentals.
We have a diversified economy of resilient growth and a high level of savings, which is really important.
As hard as passing a budget will be, it's only the beginning.
SP projects that France's debts will rise to one hundred and twenty-one percent of GDP by 2028, 9% more than last year.
Next Friday, fellow credit rate of Moody's will reveal whether they too are downgrading France.
Of course they will.
Of course they will because the other guys did.
Of course.
That's why they did it out of order.
They they said it was not normal to do it as outside of their quarterly changes.
So they just jumped on board.
No, we're not gonna no, we did it.
We did it already.
It's for the reputation of standard and poorers.
That's the only reason they did it out of the blue.
Of course.
Of course.
So Moody's will do it.
So then it then next thing it'll be down to an A. Yeah.
And of course, the pro it's it's I mean, we have 125% debt to GDP, I think.
But we we have our own money.
No, we don't have to be able to do that.
What is it?
No, it's way below that.
It's over 100, but it's not 120%.
Oh, I thought I was uh people.
No, I don't know.
No.
All right.
Let me ask the robot.
Hold on a second.
Hello, robot.
Where are you?
Where's my robot?
What is the current U.S. debt to GDP ratio?
A GDP ratio usually means a figure.
I don't need it.
I don't need a lesson in GDP.
I'll try it again.
What is the current United States GDP to debt ratio?
The current United States debt to GDP ratio is about 119%.
Meaning total debts a bit over 36 kilometers.
Okay.
Well, so she says uh 119.
All right.
So it wasn't way below.
No well.
I thought it was less than one nineteen.
Way below.
So I'm not it wasn't way below.
It's just below.
Yeah.
But they don't but they don't control their own money.
They don't get to print it.
They don't they don't control.
Yes, it's a big difference.
They may have a French lady running the show, but I don't think she has any affinity towards France per se.
She's an international banker.
So yeah, you know.
Meh.
I think that's screwed.
Yeah.
I think the war is on.
Greece all over again.
Ugh.
Well, Greece was a little worse.
And it was their own people, their own European brethren doing it to them.
Yeah.
Which of course should bring us to um what's happening in Ukraine, because that is the next step.
If we're the couple of clips on this, some analysis.
Yes, I have some analysis too.
We'll go with your analysis first.
Yes.
Go with my analysis first.
Yes.
Yeah, clip one.
Oh, well, I thought you you have no leading.
You're just like, you're not going to tell me where the kids are.
No, because you just flipped it random.
Ukraine analysis.
Yeah, but who where are they from?
What is it?
What is it about?
These are uh these are from NPR.
Oh, may even be Scott Simon's boys.
Oh.
If it's Scott Simon, I'll be mad.
There we go.
President Trump says he wants Russia and Ukraine to stop fighting in their current positions.
This is an outrage.
Because you didn't get to play this guy.
Simon Jingle.
Exactly.
Suffer and Sakatash.
I'm Scott.
Simon.
President Trump says he wants Russia and Ukraine to stop fighting in their current positions and start setting up a ceasefire.
He made the comments Friday after a two-hour meeting in the Oval Office with Ukraine's President Zelensky, who told reporters that he agreed.
He's right.
President Israel, we have to stop where we are.
This is important to stop where we are, and then to speak.
Getting there, however, remains a challenge, and Ukrainians say it largely because of Russia.
And Pierre's Ukraine correspondent Joanna Kakisis in Kiev joined us.
Joanna, thanks for being with us.
Thanks for having me on the show, Scott.
How are Ukrainians reacting to President Trump's latest proposal to win the war?
Well, Scott, Ukrainians certainly want a ceasefire.
They want an end of the war, which Russia started, and they certainly see that this is a war of attrition, and Russia is larger and has more resources.
In Kiev, we spoke with Vladislav Havrilov, who investigates Russian war crimes here, and here's how he put it.
He He's saying that the war is depleting Ukraine, that there are not enough people or resources or emotional bandwidth to keep fighting indefinitely.
However, like many Ukrainians, he says that a ceasefire favoring Russia would only open Ukraine to future Russian attacks.
Now, as President Zelensky tried to convince the Trump administration that accommodating Russia is not going to lead to peace...
So Scott, before I get into that, let me point out that Russia actually began its war on Ukraine back in 2014, seizing parts of the South and East.
Now Russia agreed to previous ceasefires during that stage of the war, but repeatedly violated the terms.
And then in 2022, Russian forces tried to invade all of Ukraine.
So Zelensky told reporters in Washington that to make a current ceasefire work, you need to strengthen Ukraine and force Russian President Vladimir Putin into concessions.
Okay, a couple things.
First, interesting.
Interesting that this started when Russia uh took over Crimea.
Forget all the other stuff that happened in 2014.
By the way, it turns out Boris.
Well, forget the fact that you this is what democracy looks like.
They voted.
Yeah.
The public voted in a dem democratic fashion in Crimea and voted for the Russians to take over.
That's what democracy is.
No, that's not what democracy looks like, because it's not right.
Um it turns out Boris Johnson, when he went in to stop the peace negotiations, he brought in uh one of his uh big donors to his uh his outfit, his organization, and once the the peace process was stopped, that guy donated a million pounds.
Just one of those little irritating little things that pops up.
The second thing, you know what I'm missing besides endless war footage of all the people being killed in Ukraine.
I I know it's available.
Please don't email me and say it's on telegram.
I know.
I'm talking about mainstream visuals.
We've had it of everything.
Of all the wars that are important to television, they show it.
So this one is just not important.
And what I never see or hear is man on the street.
What can I hear a U one Ukrainian voice just once?
I don't ever hear a Ukra a Ukrainian person speaking about what they think about what's going on.
It's always some analysts.
I have I have seen and heard this.
Well, then we need to bring some clips, because I uh I'm skeptical.
I don't see any of it.
Well, you're saying that the whole war is a scam, is a fake.
No, I'm saying that that they're not being honest about it.
And maybe the Ukrainians are really sick and tired of this, and it's not just well, you know, it's hard to get people to fight.
I'm not gonna argue against that because they should be.
Yes, I'm sure they are.
Sure, they are.
All right, let's go to clip two.
Well, for us, uh all the signals from Russians um then odd Newton knew, but uh, we we count on President on his pressure on Putin to stop this war.
And by pressure, he means additional U.S. sanctions or supplying Ukraine with American weapons like the Tomahawk cruise missile, which can hit targets deep inside Russia.
I'm also I gotta stop here.
Why do we not have protests against these uh completely misnomered, misnamed the weapons?
They should, I mean, isn't it?
You mean by the Native Americans by the indigenous people bitching and moaning about that?
Tomahawk, yes.
What what do Tomahawks do?
Do they scalp the enemy?
I mean, this is this is an outrage that we keep calling them tomahawks on MPR.
But the Trump administration has not agreed to either.
Can President Zelensky do anything more to convince him?
Well, that's not clear because they could do a dance.
You know, Ukrainians often see their diplomatic efforts fall apart after Trump talks with Putin, which he did before Zelensky's visit.
And Zelensky, by the way, has spent months working on his relationship with Trump, which got off to a very rocky start at the beginning of the year.
Ukraine has also signed a minerals deal with the Trump administration.
Zelensky offered cutting edge drones in exchange for maybe some Tomahawk cruise missiles.
Ukrainian diplom Ukrainian diplomacy did seem to pay off last month when uh Trump suggested Russia was weak and Ukraine could even win this war, but Zelensky walked away Friday with not much of anything.
And uh Trump's and Trump said he will meet with Putin soon in Hungary.
Do Ukrainians tend to believe that that President Trump alone can convince Russia to agree to a ceasefire.
Well, that's it's interesting you asked that, Scott.
I have some uh man on the street interviews from actual Ukrainians, and here's what they have to say.
You know, some Ukrainians are skeptical.
Uh I spoke with Oleksandr Krayev of the Ukrainian Prism Fore Policy Council in Kyiv, and he said Trump won't be able to negotiate any kind of ceasefire involving Russia without China, which supports Russia politically and financially.
But that wasn't the question.
Scott wanted to know about Ukrainians.
And you give us some console guy?
See, this is this is what bothers me.
Some guy that runs an NGO.
Yeah, they're just playing games.
Okay.
Well, it's what's it's the last one short.
This is short.
Short.
China is the only one who can influence Russia to stop hostilities and to stop the attacks and to stop the war as it is.
So basically, without substantial push from China, and without substantial push from the United States on China in order to push on Russia.
I don't think anything will be done.
He says the next steps might be clearer after China and the U.S. fight out their trade war.
It turns out that the Ukrainians speak perfect English, but we don't have any men on the street.
Okay.
So I have a few clips here of Zelensky in DC.
And what was different is this was more like a board meeting.
So I found the setting to be interesting.
This wasn't a come and sit down in front of my gold fireplace.
This was a come on, why don't you come into the boardroom here, uh, Volodymyr?
Why don't you sit down and uh why don't you tell us what you want?
US President Donald Trump is backing off on providing Ukraine with long-range tomahawk missiles, something his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky, is still lobbying hard to receive.
Ukraine has such thousands of our production drones, but we don't have tomahawks.
That's why we need tomahawks.
But the United States is a very strong production.
Yes.
And the United States has Tomahawks and other missas, very strong missiles.
But they can have our thousands of drones.
That's why where we can work together, where we can American production.
This is hilarious.
Hey man, we got awesome drones.
Give us some tomahawks.
What kind of deal is that?
We don't want the tomahawks.
That's ridiculous.
I mean, the drones.
That's just it's like, oh, we have thousands of uh drones.
Well, why don't you stick them up your butt?
We don't need the drones.
What are we gonna use drones for?
Other than to terrorize our own people over New Jersey.
Well, that that'll be later later.
Well, so uh the thing the other thing is we you know there's gotta be a at least in the meetings without without Vladimir there.
Uh Volodimir where they where they um they say, you know, if he gets a hold of these tomahawks, he's gonna send one right into the Kremlin.
Of course.
Well, actually, uh there's a little more to the Tomahawk uh business, but first let's go to my boy.
My boy from Candinavia, Rasulus, Andrew Rasoulis.
I got a rundown from him once again.
We haven't heard from him for a couple of weeks.
Yeah, because it wasn't interesting, but now it's interesting again.
So they they get him back in.
And of course, what happened in the backdrop of all this is the Trump Putin phone call.
Well, certainly the conversation that uh he had with Putin at Putin's uh request on Thursday, uh, seemed to make uh uh a very significant impact on Trump.
Uh we saw that uh display in uh yesterday's meeting with Zelensky in the open uh news part where we could actually watch the conversation.
And I watched Trump very carefully, and he seemed to me to be very convinced, not that there was a guarantee at achieving a peace settlement, but that there was a real prospect, which is why he's going now this distance to uh a bilateral summit uh with Putin in in Hungary, and maybe about four weeks from now.
We'll have to see sometime in November, I would imagine.
But there was a shift.
I mean, so the Russians said something, or Putin said something to Trump in those two and a half hours that we of course do not know what that was.
But we know by based on Trump's reaction that Putin must have convinced him, uh, based on two probably two tracks.
One is something about the Ukraine war, that maybe there's some movement possible from the Russian side, and two, the bilateral side.
These this is the ongoing American and Russian attempts to rebuild the bilateral relationship, which is very important to both Trump and Putin.
So, anyways, all that led to Trump being convinced it's worth a shot, and diplomacy is back on the track.
Okay, so something happened, we don't know exactly what.
And I I think it has to do With the with the previous clips, because he didn't put two and two together here, but we I'm gonna do it.
Okay.
I think it has something to do with China.
Well, he actually does go into this in a uh in a later clip here.
Uh but first we need to talk about the Tomahawks.
And again, I I I mean, I think it was almost more insulting to have Volin Vladimir Zelensky sitting there saying, Hey man, I got a thousand drones, give me some Domahawks.
I mean, even price-wise, it doesn't make any sense.
Uh, but the Tomahawk turnaround is uh is on deck here.
Well, I think the turnaround is predominantly diplomatic.
I mean, yes, the United States has to maintain its stockpile.
And there was never any talk, even when Trump was suggesting that they might sell uh Tomahawks to the Ukrainians, the numbers floated in the press were like 10, 15, very small numbers, and not all that significant in the battlefield context.
The you would need uh uh uh hundreds of these missiles to really be effective uh strategically.
Uh they need to be fired in Salvos and so on.
So uh that that so there was always this sort of limitation from Trump.
He was, I think, mostly using it as uh a kind of uh a rhetorical push against the Russians, and um it may have succeeded because he got a phone call on Thursday from Putin.
So that I thought that to be interesting.
I I don't know much about the Tomahawk missiles, but I guess that they're not just good just having like ten of them.
You gotta have hundreds of them in order for them to be effective.
Well, that's what he said.
That's what he said.
I know, but that's not the case.
It's uh it's a cruise missile.
Well, don't they have hundreds of cruise missiles?
They used to use them in the Middle East from the s they shot them off of of ships, and there'd be one shot off and then another.
There'd be like two.
And they go all.
I think the those are the things that may have hit one of the Iranian uh nuke plants.
You don't have hundreds of them.
They don't even I don't even know if we have that many.
We're bitching and moaning that we haven't got enough tomahawks.
It's not like a little bitty thing, it's a big giant missile.
Yeah.
Subsonic cruise missile.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it floats around loaded the ground so they radar can't catch it.
And so they can't stop it with like their own Russian iron dome.
There is no Russian iron dome.
Well, how do you know?
We've never tried it.
Well, it's well, we don't want to find out by sending a cruise missile to a Moscow.
Obviously, you don't want this dancer to have any Tomahawks.
That's obvious.
That's just no good.
Even no, it's no good.
Even if there was a deal on deck, we're not going to do that.
And and I think you have to have U.S. guidance in order for to use those.
Um I don't think they just light the fuse and go, all right, put your fingers in your views and put their hands over their ears.
I don't think that's how it works.
So of course we had the bilateral uh coming up in uh in Budapest, and there could be some issues with the European nations.
Well they will.
I mean, there will be certain countries that will insist on uh what you know, what's what they would say the rule of law and the adherence to uh to the international criminal court.
Um on the other hand, uh it's well known these provisions can be waived for special uh circumstances, and it can be waived uh to achieve a diplomatic uh meeting.
That is certainly within the the construct of the law.
So exemptions are permissible.
Uh and so uh so uh you know he would have to get a flight plan and so on.
Um he would, if you look at the map, I did a quick look, uh, Black Sea uh to Mediterranean International Airspace.
You'd have to cross uh Slovenian airspace and then Austrian airspace to get to Hungary.
Those would be the minimum amount of European countries that that would have to grant him airspace uh privileges.
But I think under the circumstances, I would be surprised to find those countries or any other countries really stand in the way.
All right.
Well, I do have the latest out of Brussels.
This is the second to uh Queen Ursula, uh cautiously welcoming the Putin meeting Putin Trump meeting in uh in uh Budapest.
The European Commission has cautiously welcomed the announcement of a summit between the American and Russian presidents to find a solution to the war in Ukraine.
The meeting between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin could take place within two weeks in Budapest, although no further details are available at the moment.
What I want to convey from the European Commission point of view and from President von der Leyen's point of view.
First to repeat that any meeting that moves uh forward the process of achieving a just and lasting peace for Ukraine is welcome.
The location of the meeting is politically significant.
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban is seen as close to Donald Trump as well as to Vladimir Putin.
Furthermore, Victor Orban is at odds with the European Union regarding its stance on the war in Ukraine.
Cautiously, cautiously.
I think that was an interesting clip, the previous one about how it's illegal actually to have Putin go to Budapest.
Yeah.
Because he's indicted by the International Criminal Court, which is part of the EU, and so they have to arrest him.
Well, no, he I think what he said is that they can No, then he said that they can get an exception.
Yes, exactly.
Which has to be done in writing, or just somebody says it, or the whole thing bullcrap.
In triplicate with carbon copy paper.
Alright, we got some stamps here.
All right, you're good to go.
You've got passage.
And then Queen Ursula, this this was puzzling to me.
This is her response to the uh let's put uh ceasefire in big quotes, and seems to be still some some firing going on in Israel between Israel and the Gazans.
Uh war is over, so I guess now it's time for Europe to do something.
The devastating war in Gaza has now come to an end, marking a pivotal moment not only for Gaza, but also for the European Union and the wider Mediterranean, marking the moment when the future of the region is being rewritten.
Europe has a stake in shaping a future of brother and prosperity.
Because this is our common region.
And we want to play our part as part.
And this is our commitment to our shared Mediterranean home.
Our shared Mediterranean home.
Probably during the Eurovision Song Contest.
I'm not sure.
So here's they have uh the whole system for it.
In an increasingly competitive and contested global economy, our economic ties with our southern neighbors have already grown stronger.
Trade between the European Union and the rest of the Mediterranean has increased by over 60% in the last five years.
Our value chains are more and more interconnected.
So we should work on a deeper integration.
We should simplify making business with each other.
And we should create new ties between our industries, our universities, our institutions.
This is why today we are making a clear offer to our neighbors.
Let us create a common Mediterranean space with a goal of progressive integration between the two of us.
And this is the essence of the pact of the Mediterranean.
The Pact of the Mediterranean.
See, this is exactly what Trump knows is it a good idea.
Let the Arabs run the place.
Some uh breaking news this hour.
The Israeli military has confirmed that fighter jets carried out air strikes in the Rafah area of southern Gaza on Sunday.
The army says the strikes were in response to attacks by Hamas militants on Israeli troops.
The militant group Hamas has so far not commented on these strikes.
Meanwhile, the Rafah border crossing between Gaza and Egypt is still closed.
It had been hoped that aid trucks could start using the crossing for Monday.
But Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says it will remain close until further notice, adding its reopening will depend on Hamas handing over the bodies of the remaining deceased hostages.
Israel says it has identified both bodies of two deceased hostages that Hamas has handed over on Saturday night.
Hamas has so far returned the remains of twelve identified bodies out of twenty-eight deceased hostages.
So what ha what happens now?
Now here's a here's the problem.
Yeah.
These guys died maybe over a year ago, and they started stinking up the place.
They buried them all over all over Gaza.
There's a bunch of corpses.
And so they're using bulldozers, they say.
They have to dig up trying to roll these guys out of the graves, you know, they're not like in a coffin.
And so they got a bunch, you know, they they they're not gonna get all twenty-eight of them because most of them are decomposed.
I know, but that's that wasn't the part of the report I was focusing on.
Oh no, but the part of the report I was focusing on was the guy says because they're the Israelis are making a big fuss about Where's our dead bodies?
Yes, I understand.
But that's not why they were fighting.
Apparently, Hamas is still shooting at the IDF behind the yellow line or whatever it is.
Yeah, the unseen yellow.
The magical yellow line.
Right.
But don't we have uh where are the Arab troops there to go and stop and say, Well, that's the question.
And the Indonesians are supposed to be there.
You know, they should have these guys should have been there by now.
Well, it doesn't seem like they're there yet.
Yeah, I agree with that too.
Yeah, so but they're never gonna get these bodies back.
Most of them dissolved.
That was that was probably a little trick.
They were the Benjamin Netanyahu who had up his sleeve, oh, we'll never get it back so we can go and strike them again.
I I I believe that's a possibility.
Yeah.
Which is not.
I think not Netanyahu is just not, you know, he's he's out of control.
Yeah.
He just announced he's running again.
I don't think he's got the Well, you know, the public is so irked by him.
Uh if he gets in again, then I have to say the elections in Israel are rigged.
Yeah, I agree.
But who will get in is is the is the question.
If he doesn't get in, who will it be?
I don't know.
Probably some Jew.
So speaking of Jews, there's it seems to be quite a problem with the uh with the upcoming soccer match, the football match.
Um in Birmingham.
And uh this whole thing is a mess.
Yeah, here's the report.
This is uh GBN, so take it for the slant they have.
Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have been banned from Aston Villa's Europa League clash in Birmingham over quotes safety fears.
Many residents have raised concerns about the football match which is due to take place on the 6th of November.
Maccabi Tel Aviv.
We've all seen those harrowing images from Amsterdam.
I've started a petition to boycott Maccabi Tel Aviv.
There is no space for violence or any thugs to come into Aston or indeed Birmingham.
That is why I urge everyone to sign up to this petition.
Boycott Maccabi Tel Aviv.
Yes, so Jews aren't safe in Birmingham.
Aston Villa Football Club were Jews play Maccabi Tel Aviv in the Europa League.
That was local MP Ayyub Khan, one of the infamous Gaza gang, and he did that ridiculous video.
And then now this has happened, hasn't it?
This is a statement from West Midlands Police.
This decision is based on current intelligence and previous incidents, including violent clashes and hate crime offenses that occurred during the 2024 Europa League match between IAX and Maccabi Tel Aviv in Amsterdam.
Okay, it's not really about safety.
We all know what this is about.
We all know.
And today the government released this statement.
You have to step up in relation to defeating anti-Semitism.
The action is what matters.
Um, and we're absolutely committed to that.
The discussion we've had this morning was not about words.
Um, it was about what are the actions that are gonna follow through from this.
But it's amazing.
The the Keir Starmer doesn't know who whose side to be on now.
Like, well, you know, uh we we we don't want uh the one or problems with the Jews, but we don't, you know, you can't really come, or you can, you can't.
And of course, all of these cities have become completely overrun with Muslims, and the Brits are tired of it.
This is Matt Goodwin.
He's a conservative journalist, again, GBN.
Where police supported by local independent Muslim politicians have banned Jewish football fans, fans of the Maccabi Tel Aviv team from coming to Birmingham, our second major city.
This is a national disgrace.
This is absolutely appalling, but I have a question.
Why is Keir Starmer shocked?
This Muslim sectarianism is exactly what the Labour government and Kirstama have enabled for many, many years.
It was the Labour Party that gave us the policy of mass uncontrolled immigration while not even bothering to integrate our communities.
It was a labor party that recognized Palestine at exactly the wrong time.
The Labour Party that allowed the pro-Hamas, pro-Palestine hate marches on the streets of our major cities with no pushback at all from the police.
It was a labor party that mainstreamed two tier policies in our police forces, encouraging them to prioritize some minorities over others.
And it was the Labour party that simultaneously berated millions of people in this country for being racist, for being far right when they highlighted to some of the problems that we can now see very clearly in cities like Birmingham.
Keir Starmer and the Labour government are now only just beginning to see the downstream effects of the policies they have been promoting for much of the last 30 years.
It's a national disgrace.
Jews should be able to go wherever they want in Britain.
There should be no no-go zones for Jews in this country.
It's absolutely shameful.
Yeah, well, it is what it is, Britain.
No go zone.
Yeah.
No go zone for Jews.
No Jews here.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which brings us to that hate note we got.
Which one?
There's a couple of them.
Some good ones.
Good one.
Yeah, some good ones.
What was the one?
I mean, here's what I get.
John blocked me, so I'm gonna email you, Adam, and tell you how much I hate John.
I get that all the time.
Yes, no, you I know you blocked this guy.
I know you blocked him.
Oh, I may have blocked him, but it's not because he's because of anything he's well, it is unblock a few people.
This is the this the guy's nuisances.
I block a nuisance.
Again, well, I mean, I'll read it to you.
Well, this email was blocked as well.
Looks like I've made it on the John's block list.
There should be an award for that.
There should be a judge.
Hey, maybe for a donation of 500 bucks, you can be on the block list.
Uh I could use another email address, but it seems clear that John would rather not deal with constructive criticism, hence his go-to choice of a red herring or straw man fallacious argument in response to constructive criticism rather than dealing slash growing slash improving regarding an issue when he's wrong.
And this was this was the guy about the warrant versus weren't weren't.
That was that's a that's the guy.
I mean, I don't know why you blocked him, because you did.
I don't remember.
You know, I may have blocked him after the last one let's one, it's the same note he sends it over and over and over and over and over.
And I did I don't like getting into a dialogue with people that keep repeating themselves, and and they keep belaboring the point that I say, okay, fine, you're right about it grammatically, but I didn't think it was funny.
This guy wrote about saying it, I shouldn't have said uh when I wrote the script for uh trunkites saying uh if I wasn't dead, I'd like this show.
And he says, No, it should be if I were weren't dead, and I said that's that it's not gonna be, it's just not funny as funny as saying wasn't, and he said, Well, that may be true, but blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then back and forth and back and forth and back and forth, blocked.
Why don't you just ignore the emails?
Just ignore them.
You don't have to answer everything.
But when you block someone, it's an aggressive move.
And it and in today's day and age, it seemed as you know what?
From now on, I'm gonna there's another mechanism that this system uses called a black hole.
Put him in the black hole.
And I just put him in the black hole.
Okay, I can already predict the emails I'm getting.
Well, looks like I got put in John's black hole.
So I'm gonna email you about how mad I am at him.
It's amazing.
Although I did get a good one today.
I got a fun one.
There was a there was a letter that it was better, the one that would bitch about us not liking Tucker's commentary.
Well, no, okay, yes.
But I predicted that would happen.
I right, and I sent you a note back saying you were dead on on this, but that note is worth reading if I could find it.
Yeah, yeah, I can find it.
It's what happened to you guys.
Yes.
That's the one.
Yeah, that's the when it always starts off.
You would get these notes from people that what happened.
So just to reiterate, you brought in kind of rather oldish clips from Tucker with uh Sam Altman, and we were literally deconstructing the reason for this, what he was doing, what it was about.
And I think our deconstruction was pretty spot on.
It's like this was, you know, this is what you do.
You need inventory, you gotta create stuff.
You got a name, you got Altman.
You you talked about his language being uh actionable.
What else was there to say?
Well, apparently we did it all wrong.
I tried listening to the latest episode today, but couldn't even finish it.
Not a Tucker Carlson fan in particular, barely even watch his show.
But what you call media deconstruction right now is just shitting on someone's character because of emotional disdain.
What's the emotional what emotional disdain?
I don't know of any emotional disdain that we uh we have emotional disdain towards Tucker.
I don't think so.
There was literally nothing of substance you two had to say about that Altman interview except shitting on Tucker.
Oh, he's accusing him.
He just wants views.
I remember you two doing the same thing when commenting on the interview he did with Ted Cruz.
Zero substance, 100% disdain.
It's like you two have Tucker derangement syndrome or something.
This is a this is actually what I like about it is he starts it off by by using the the concept that I never listened to Tucker, I'm not a big fan, yet all he's doing is defending Tucker.
It's like it's is you sh that the letter may have come from Tucker.
Well, the thing but this is what's puzzling to me.
Because as I said, because I said, hey, you're gonna do anything about a podcast, we're going to get hate mail because it's like shooting inside the tent, man.
And I think we literally did media deconstruction.
You said, hey, it's media.
And so he says, if you want to do actual media deconstruction, how about you go over his talking points?
Maybe try to debunk them or see what his sources are.
What is that?
That sounds like journalism.
We don't do that.
We but we literally talked about everything every single talking point Tick Tucker had.
That would be actually interesting to listen to.
He says that would actually be interested to listen to, but I won't nitpick.
No.
No.
Instead, you two bicker about his ads.
No, we didn't.
We just say that's what it's about.
If this is the level you two have sung to, it's no wonder he makes better quality content than you.
In fact, it would be hard not to.
You two are in desperate need of a reality check.
I already stopped my donation some time ago exactly because of the behavior and bizarre out-of-touch takes like that.
Please get your act together so some of us with common sense and above average emotional intelligence can actually enjoy the show again.
I think you want second half of show back.
I think that's what he's saying.
More flying saucer stuff.
It would be widely appreciated because I have fond memories of what no agenda used to be.
And if I didn't think you had it in you, I wouldn't be writing this message.
We have gone through this so many times.
Whenever we have a different take on something which isn't the the the narrative of the podcast, then we get these kinds of notes.
And it's okay.
And you know what?
You don't have to donate.
You're not you know, it's like it's fine.
I I doubt if he ever donated.
But I think he did.
I've been around long enough to know people that say, Well, I accept you canceled my subscription.
I've unsubscribed from your podcast.
I did like this one that came in.
Dear Adam, two things.
One, I cannot stop singing the Secretary General song to myself.
It is by far have the same problem.
But wait.
She says it is by far the most powerful jingle ever used on the shore, on the show, even more than Devorac.orgslash NA.
So she likes the show.
Likes the jingle.
And by the way, the whole point of a jingle is to be an earworm so that you it sticks in your head.
And if you're singing our jingles, that's success to me.
Two.
I frame I firmly believe That John and his family are hoodwinking you with this be nice to John stuff.
Either either they this is good.
Either they are creating multiple email addresses or whatever, or otherwise planting seeds.
I like John very much, but he's very mean to you.
And she has some examples.
If you come up with a joke, he jabs you and says, Where did you get that from?
You didn't write it.
Even on the last episode, you mentioned knowing where the triangle in San Francisco is, and he said, You must have looked it up.
That's some serious.
I didn't do that.
Yes, you did.
That's well, you must have looked it up.
Yes.
Oh, you say that all the time.
You you looked it up.
That's some serious treating you like a beta male.
Meanwhile, John does the John does those long periods of silence.
Instead of commenting on your clips' clips, he just tells you to play his clips.
Also, you put you right now wrote this.
Is it saying Teen and Athena Snyder?
Also, you put so much work into making the show sound professional, and he talks while you play the jingles, blows his nose, turns his headphones up, which you don't wear, which is probably him being professionally contrarian, but he's gone off the rails, and it just seems mean.
Yes, there have been times, especially back in the weed days when you are too touchy.
But overall, there's not an issue with the way you treat John, in my opinion, is an issue in the way he treats you.
Well, there you go.
So I'm being victim blamed.
That I agree.
I agree.
She's spot on.
Spot on with that.
All right, people, you know what to do.
Oh man.
That's great.
And if anything, these notes keep it going for me.
I did get one other note about the you know the video versus audio.
Oh, we still get I gotta I gotta I ended up chatting with Brunetti about this.
Well, I'm more interested in that.
What did he say?
Ah, you know, it was the same lecture that we get about oh, you know, the reason you want to do he said, and he was just coming from a meeting with some guy at a bar, so I'm wondering how it would kind of be like a guy was he was he was plastic.
How lucid he actually blastered, yeah.
Well, maybe, but he did say that, you know, you can get the you get the audience bill, you know, it's about the audience.
You get the audience because you get these mini clips and the kid clips get out there on the YouTube's and you the two guys, he says, I know it's he he kind of liked the idea, but at the same time he couldn't sell it to me.
No, of course he can't, because he wants people to watch his movies.
That he doesn't want them to be watching clips of his movies, so like, well, I saw the clips.
That's what happened to South Park.
You know, oh, I saw you didn't watch, you didn't even watch South Park when the Trump was sleeping with the devil.
I saw enough clips.
I don't need to watch it.
That's right.
It's true.
The clips, yeah.
In fact, I most of the Joe Rogan stuff is now just clips.
Absolutely.
Megan Kelly.
Yeah, but they've created a the Joe Rogan meme where Joe Rogan says, hey, go to that video.
This is the best thing I've seen forever.
And then they've say random video.
Yeah.
It's not even for from the show.
I do want to point out that if you go to Bingit.io, which is powered by Clip Genie, you can specifically make a clip.
You can highlight the text in the transcript and make a shareable clip right on the spot.
So it's not true.
It's just not true.
You can do this, do this.
But this producer was saying, you know, you don't know about the the learning pyramid.
The cone of learning.
Did I see this?
Was I seed on this?
I think I see C. Because I remember something about the it was I could not get through what he I did.
I think I said a note back.
You maybe you're right if I could ever figure out what you said.
Well, I think what he was saying is that the the learning coon or the learning pyramid uh basically works like this 80% retention practice by doing hands-on activity, 70% by discussion with others, 50% by demonstration, watching someone else do it, 30% watching videos, 20% reading, and the lowest 10% is by listening.
And my point was we are actually doing something at the top of the learning pyramid.
We are teaching people to listen.
Because there's no video.
For the as you explained on the last show.
Because there's no video, you are forced to listen and you hear a lot more.
You hear we hear stuff that we didn't hear even while we were clipping it.
Yeah, sometimes the third time you have I've more than once I have clipped something.
I go, this is good.
I clip it and then I then I produce it to put on the show.
Then when I hear it on the show for the third time, maybe the fourth, I pick up something new.
Yeah.
Happens all the time.
Exactly.
So you're not distracted by by new some wiggling his shoulders around and doing some jerk off moves where it looks like he's jacking off two horses, you know, that kind of thing.
Wow.
I I okay.
I didn't see that one coming.
Two horses.
So uh there's been some updates on the Gen Z revolutions that I want to get into because uh we have a lot of Gen Zers uh in the audience, and we're very proud to have these heads.
The are the they are the the good Zeds.
They are the winners, they are the future generation of winners.
But I was astounded.
I uh there's a a game show called The Floor.
Are you familiar with this?
Yeah, I'm very familiar with it, yeah.
You are you're familiar with it?
Yeah, I've seen it a couple of times.
What is it on?
What what is where does it air?
I believe it's on it's either on Fox, I think it's on Fox, but it could be on ABC, but I think it's Fox.
Let me see.
Yes, Fox.
Yeah, it's on F Rob Lowe, he hosts it, Rob Lowe.
Yep, Rob Lowe hosts it.
Funny enough, it's an original Dutch game show.
How about that?
No, that makes sense because it never the whole show.
The premise of the show never made any sense to me.
I watched it.
It's very spectacular to watch.
What is the premise of the game show?
It's a trivia show, isn't it?
Yeah, they ask you these questions, then you have to form the you have to get a line on the floor, and the floor lights up.
It's very it's over, it's one of these highly produced game shows.
It's an endemole show is what it is.
It sounds like an endemole.
Like uh the guy the John DeMole, the guy who does all those things, big brother, all that stuff is from him.
So, whatever it is, it's it's it's uh visually stimulating.
Okay, visually stimulating.
So they have a uh a contest, you know, as part of I've not watched it.
I I'm gonna have to watch this show now.
You're not gonna like it.
Well, uh, so I was sent, I was sent this clip.
I could not for the life of me find the original.
This is you know, recorded from TV, so I I fixed the sound somewhat.
You'll get the idea.
It's not all that bad in this case.
And so they on the so there's two contestants, one on the left, one on the right, and on the screen, they flash up clocks.
Like, you know, a church tower clock, then there's a digital clock showing 1930 instead of 7:30.
And literally, the the object of the game between these two human beings, adult human beings, is to tell me what time it is by reading the clock.
1010.
Oh, 12 o'clock.
Wait, five, five o'clock.
1130.
That is 255.
250?
150.
95.
That is uh so in what world do you would you ever expect to live where there would be a game show where adult human beings were tested on their ability to read clock?
That's unbelievable.
And then they also had the 24 hour clock digital.
And that was consuming it's because it said 1930.
Uh uh uh 7:30, 7:30, got it, 7:30.
I mean, huh?
Huh?
That is that to me that maybe I'm just an old fuddy duddy.
You are, but that really surprised me.
It surprised me.
It's ludicrous.
Now, are you familiar with the six seven?
The what?
Six, seven, baby.
Six, seven.
You're not familiar with six, seven, sixty seven, six, seven.
You don't know about the six seven?
You got kids there?
They're not talking.
They don't laugh at you when you say six, they say seven, six, seven, six, seven.
No?
If I say six, they say seven.
Six, seven.
Five, six, five, six.
Well, we are back.
Well, back with something you're probably very familiar with, probably also very confused about if you spend any time around the teenager or even a tween as well.
I'm not even gonna do the hand gestures.
No, no, no.
We're talking about six, seven, the slang that kids just cannot stop saying.
But now some teachers in schools are saying they've had enough.
Yeah, NBC Savannah Sellers is here with more.
Hey, Savannah, six seven.
Six seven.
You've got the tone down of everything.
Good morning.
You gotta do the hand motion with it.
So this first went viral last year.
Here's the thing, though.
It really means nothing at all.
But unlike most internet trends, this one seems to be sticking around, prompting some teachers to set some new rules in the classroom.
Six, seven.
And so I've been I've been waiting for a report like this because I've been seeing this go on for a while, and it was just there never was anywhere.
Maybe you've been seeing it.
I have never seen this anywhere.
Well, I actually look at TikTok once in a while.
Like the real TikTok, not the filtered down uh Lib Tard nut jobs that you watch, but actually what's happening, what's what what's the case?
That's that's an example of him being mean to me.
Ladies and gentlemen, you just heard it right there.
Yes.
I'm sorry, I apologize.
Is that is that okay if I apologize?
No, I I don't care if you apologize or not.
I just want to point it out that this woman when Tina wrote that fake letter in.
Tina's actually always on your side to be honest about.
She's like, you know, you should be a little nicer to John.
She's a she's actually a Christian.
No, because then she says, because you know, he's old, and we gotta be nice to our elders.
There it is again, ladies and gentlemen.
You just heard it.
Six seven.
I mean, kids can't get enough of, and teachers can't get away from.
We are not saying the word six seven anymore.
If you do, you have to write a sixty-seven-word essay.
Some schools even banning the phrase in classrooms.
You are no longer allowed to say what number do you think I'm gonna say?
Six seven.
Caitlin Soriano is a seventh grade math teacher.
How much are you hearing and seeing six seven in your classroom?
Um, all day, every day.
It is nonstop throughout my class, the hallways, the cafeterias.
She says she banned the term last year after it became distracting for students.
This has been going on for more than a year.
Yeah, it's been going on for a while.
I think for since 2024, yeah.
And then we hope that if it is embarrassing enough for the adults to be doing it, that that maybe they stop.
The trend took off a few months ago, but is re-intensified with school back in session.
Thought to originate from a rap song by Skrilla.
But the experts we spoke to say the numbers really don't mean anything.
It's like slang to like make parents be like, what does that mean?
Yeah, baby.
It's just the latest example of slang through the years.
It my shorts.
From the hippie generation where things were groovy and far out, to the 90s, where everyone was asking, What's that?
If you're wondering what the skibbity is going on and how all this brain rot is getting to us, you're not Lulu.
It's all pretty Ohio.
But the kids, they just want us to let them cook.
As for parents, they're feeling the pain too.
According to a recent study, 35% say they struggle to understand their kids' slang vocabulary.
And 56% say their kids feel cringe when they try and use slang to communicate.
Do you think that your mom and your dad or your teachers are getting a little annoyed a bit?
Yeah.
Is that gonna stop you?
No.
So and that's really the point, and there's an outro clip to this, but so the the thing with this is it's being done specifically to annoy your parents.
And that's different from any other slang that I that I can remember.
I mean, we had all kinds of terms.
Okay, well, the this the chat room is gonna have to get chime in on this.
I because I'm trying to think the point you're making here, is that is this a new phenomenon just to find a way to annoy parents?
I mean, kids have always annoyed parents in all kinds of different ways by not doing stuff.
Uh you know, you didn't do this, you didn't do that, you which annoys parents.
But this is but this is a disrespectful annoyance.
You heard those.
I want to hear from the chat room.
You mean the troll room, yes.
Well, what do you want to hear?
I want to hear why.
Why, how has this ever happened before is there any other examples?
No, I I don't think just think about your own, my own youth.
I can't come up with anything.
It's never asking the control room to help.
We never had anything that we purposely used to annoy our parents.
And parents, if I see, I don't believe that's true.
If you said something to annoy your parents, your mom would whoop you upside the head.
Shut up.
That's my point.
It's more the parents who should say who shouldn't be, I don't understand what your cousin says.
It's stop annoying me.
Get out of my house.
Here's a hundred bucks, run away from home.
That's what I got.
Here's a hundred dollars.
You can run away from home, but you can't come back.
Is that what happened?
Yeah, my mom actually did that.
I'm running away from home, having a little knapsack.
Okay, well, here's a hundred dollars.
I had a knapsack, yeah.
I I you know, I saw that's all the drawing knapsack on a stick over your shoulder.
You brought this up before that you ran away from home.
Yeah.
And then my mom gave me a hundred bucks, and I walked down the street under the tree.
I'm like, this sucks.
I'm going back.
This hundred dollars is not gonna do it for me.
But you should have gone back and said I spent the hundred.
So the I mean, we've had lots of terms, lots of slang, but this is it's appears specifically to mess with your teacher, mess with your parents.
And I think parents, the parents they need to stop this.
Like, hey, stop annoying.
I didn't even know this was going on, so I have no thoughts on it, but I'll think about it.
Well, here's the MBC uh today.
I guess the troll room has come up with nothing.
No, they got nothing.
They got nothing.
Um here's the MBC Today show with all the slang they can think of from back in the day, but it's completely irrelevant to what this trend really is, which is to annoy your parents.
And I think parents should just stop the children, so stop it.
Maybe the kids aren't getting enough attention.
Well, there you go.
And by the way, it's it's not 67, of course, but this is 41.
Do you know what that means?
That one I've heard it started with the Rizzler and doesn't also make sense.
Maybe you know, no, but you're you're exactly right.
It's it's a it is an adjective used to describe excess.
I have an idea.
What if we call six seven when adults kill a fun trend?
Six seven this trend.
Thank you, yes, eighty-six.
We eighty six seven six seven is the new eight six.
Dylan's been trying to bring back.
And Calvin says he's heard kids say it in school.
Like Resley called me over yesterday.
He's like, Mom, can I have a kiss?
And I go like all the way over to give him a kiss, and he's like, psych.
Oh, that's good.
That's what I'm saying.
Well done.
That's a good education he's getting.
So, you know, for what that's worth.
Let's let's bring that one back.
Another one you slap your kid for.
Don't do that.
73 is the new number.
Seven threes.
I don't know.
This uh something about this the way it's it bothers me.
I don't know why.
I don't have any kids.
I need a grandkid to boss around.
That's what I need.
That would help me.
Well, I like six threes.
Six threes.
The rebellizer donation.
And we are working on a challenge coin, so just to let you know.
All right, so let's uh let's look at what Gen Z is doing around the world.
Let's see how things are going in Peru.
This vigil in Lima in Peru is for a 32-year-old demonstrator killed on Wednesday during anti-government Gen Z protests.
People gathered at The site where he died, a police officer was detained in relation to the shooting.
They are killing us during the protests.
They are taking away our rights and leaving us at the mercy of extortionists.
They are killing us.
So we have to protest.
We demand not only that these mafias stop destroying our country, but also that they stop justifying their criminal actions.
Anger centers on corruption and worsening crime.
Tension persists despite the removal of the deeply unpopular President Dina Baloate earlier this month.
And her replacement with Congress speaker Jose Heri.
This is really quite a good regime change method.
So just get some Gen Zders into the Discord, get them on the streets, and then uh have mayhem take place and blame it on Gen Zed.
So they already got rid of the the president, and so they brought in a replacement guy.
Uh then we have Madagascar.
The UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres has issued a strong condemnation of the recent unconstitutional change of government in Madagascar.
He's now calling for an immediate restoration of constitutional order and respect for the rule of law in the country.
In a statement delivered by UN spokesperson, Sefan Dujarikuteras expresses backing of the African Union's decision to suspend Madagascar from all activities within the block.
The Secretary General condemns the unconstitutional change of government power in Madagascar and calls for the return to constitutional order and the rule of law.
I think it's amazing that some Gen Z protests are turning out this way, and no one is seeing this.
Could be us, could be the French, could be the could be the Nordic Nexus.
I mean, it could be the question is who is it?
I don't know, but it's not happening here.
No, it's happening.
That's that's points of figure at us.
That's a clue, and it's happening again after a brief pause in Morocco.
After almost ten days, young Moroccans resumed their protests in front of Parliament on Saturday.
They're demanding government reform education and health care while tackling corruption and a cost of living crisis.
This protest was organized to unify our ranks and coordinate our demonstrations and sends a message to the authorities.
Even though we paused for more than 10 days, we're continuing and will continue until our demands are met, not just in words, but in reality.
We want to see solutions that satisfy us and make us feel that our daily sacrifices are worthwhile.
It was the first demonstration since King Mohammed the Sixth addressed Parliament ten days ago, following weeks of unrest.
But he didn't mention the Gen Z movement directly, and his call for job creation for young people and improving healthcare and education left many of the protesters unconvinced.
Whether whether uh whether this movement will listen to this kid.
So this is a Moroccan Gen Zter who sounds like he's been on American Discord for several years.
Whether this movement will bear its fruit, I think it's very soon to tell.
There will still be political changes that will come in the upcoming days.
And up until then, we cannot really predict what's going to happen because in politics, there are lots of variables that enter in the equation and a lot of things can change.
Whoa, he just went into straight up Yank talk between two days like you know.
So I think that it's too soon to tell to tell.
But obviously the youth is uh uh the youth are hopeful.
Young people taking part in Saturday's protest say the movement has not lost momentum during the break, despite some reports to the contrary.
I don't know, man.
There is something afoot here with the Gen Z protests.
Yeah.
It's definitely something.
And it's and it's a scheme because it's not it's just not one place, and it's always it's the same model.
And it's being dumped here and there because it's a model that works.
Yes.
So that that means there's something behind it.
So it's either the CIA or one of our intel people agencies or or military intelligence, who knows.
It's I think it could be us, but it could be uh the international com communist conspiracy.
It could be a lot of different things.
We have to figure out who it is.
Well, we have boots on the ground everywhere, so I'd love to see if we can get a little bit more on this.
Yeah, it's it should be we should be able to figure out who it is.
Yeah.
And why?
Well, some of it's against BRICS.
We know that.
That's what uh wasn't Peru about uh BRICS or I thought Peru was.
Peru is an outlier, it seems to me.
I don't see where how Peru fits into it at all.
Well, maybe look at why don't you ask the robot is the same.
Ah, Peru.
Screw the robot.
Uh BPC BRICS Policy Center receives delegation from Peru.
There's a there's a lot of uh Peru in the and bricks in the news.
How about Madagascar?
Let's see.
Madagascar.
Because that would be us.
I mean, if that would be us.
Yeah, let me see.
Madagascar.
And the fact that we can do this this well is it's a good sign.
Yeah, let me see.
Madagascar.
I don't really see anything about Madagascar and BRICS.
Hmm.
But it's all Africa, you know.
So it's uh do we have interest in Africa?
We're trying to take over the place.
Well then that's us.
And move the Chinese out so we can get those minerals.
Well, we need rare earths.
Our technology requires because the little magnets, those little super powerful little magnets require rare earth elements.
Yeah.
A couple of them in particular.
Yeah.
And uh we need them.
We never needed them before, but we need them now big time.
All right.
What'd you what else you got, John?
I'm sure you have some interesting stuff for us.
I got a little religious breakdown here because we like to talk about that.
And this is part of I did one for the last show, we've never played it, but this is different.
This is about although we can also go light.
Well talk about Taylor Swift and her marketing.
Uh let's do let's do uh NPR religion.
Let's say NPR religion first, then we'll go light with Taylor Swift.
Uh and Taylor Swift better be good.
One or the other before the break, it seems to me.
We got plenty of time before the break.
We can do both.
Okay, let's go sociology of religion.
This is a uh sociologist, and I thought this was interesting because of the uh because of the rationale for what's going on.
He thinks that religion is this is different than the last report, which we never played.
Uh this is guy says religion is becoming obsolete.
Oh, oh, okay.
University of Notre Dame Sociology Professor Christian Smith has spent his career studying religion in the U.S. He has a new book titled Why Religion Went Obsolete.
The demise of traditional faith in America.
Smith says that word, obsolete, doesn't necessarily mean religion is useless or lost.
It's more about how religion is viewed across generations.
By obsolete, I I mean to focus more on a cultural realm, the cultural status of religion, not just you know how many people go to church or pray, but sort of traditional religion's role in the larger culture.
And um so the idea is just what we mean by obsolete.
You know, traditional religion uh has just for most people been replaced or supplanted by other things that have come along.
So the the image I use in the book is uh what PCs and laptops did to electric typewriters.
People can still use obsolete things.
I have college students that use electric typewriters, and I have CDs, and it's not that it's extinct, and it's not that the obsolete thing is worse than what replaced it.
A lot of times the obsolete thing is better, but just it's not as much you've referred to or practiced or easy to pull off than the thing that people are most into at any given time.
Oh, interesting.
Well, I take a little bit of um I think there's a lot of when you say religion, I mean that to me doesn't mean Christianity.
That can be Islam, that can be Buddhism, that can be uh all kinds of religion, and I would say Yeah, that's what he's he would agree with that.
Okay, so I and I would agree.
When he talks about Christianity, he's really more more or less referring to the established sects, the churches, the Methodists versus the Presbyterians versus the Congress.
Well, again, that that to me is is uh that but that's what he he's all in on everything you say there.
Okay.
But what uh my point was going to be that we de religion has only gotten more intense uh with climatism, scientism.
Yeah, well, he's got that covered too.
Okay.
So let's get to the crux of the matter.
Why are people turning away from traditional religion?
What did you find?
Yeah so my argument is that the the causes of this are not recent, that they're complex.
There are many I use the image of a converging of perfect storms uh there's a lot of technological factors, economic factors.
And so uh you know religion has a smaller pool of a market so to speak to draw people from so it's not a matter of for the most part sort of an atheist or scientific rationalist rejection of religion it's just a sort of a nah doesn't fit doesn't work I don't need it.
Well you say that 1991 was a a crucial turning point.
Why is that year so crucial?
For starters that was the year when the number of Americans in national surveys who said they were not religious started to rise.
Prior to then, every survey, about 6% or 7% of Americans said they were not religious.
1991 was the first uptick, and it's been growing ever since for three decades.
The end of the Cold War happened in 1991, and that was really consequential for America's self-image in the world, its mission and place in the world.
We used to be, during the Cold War, even if people weren't religious, as a nation, we conceived of ourselves as the God-fearing religious liberty nation fighting against the atheist communists.
And after the end of the Cold War, it wasn't clear, like that evaporated in it wasn't clear who we were uh what our place in the world was and economy was changing and so the American dream was starting to become less and less available.
Hmm okay well that's just some stats.
Okay.
I that's probably true.
Well then he comes up with a laundry list of changes that have taken place and I and I'm there's good kind of an ask at him here it's what's the one he leaves out you'll see if you can spot it.
But when he talks about the nineties uh starting in ninety one uh we started to enter the c the Clinton era in ninety two and it became it got full blown this was the most prosperous period of time I've ever experienced in my life.
In fact didn't the religion in in those early nineties wasn't that uh greed is good wasn't that wall street wasn't that wasn't that the religion well I don't know if that was if that was the religion per se but I do know that there was a lot of money flying and the American dream was was doing quite well for itself.
Yeah so I think he's wrong about that.
But but then he goes through this laundry list of the changes and I I there are these moments in time ninety one is a good time to put it you could say ninety two ninety any that period of time it was a massive big changes to took place.
But then he goes through the little laundry list here, and then he leaves one out.
There was a growing sort of dissatisfaction with the standard American way of life and declining trust in political leaders.
Lots of other cultural things happened in 1991.
James Hunter published his book, Culture Wars, putting a name on the polarization that's happened ever since.
Music changed the era of 1980s big hair bands, was liquidated by grunge and other movements.
It's not that everything changed in 1991, but that that was a pivot year.
year and over the next two decades all all of these r profound changes in culture sort of worked their way out.
You mean uh Monica Lewinsky Bill Clinton What did he leave out of that list?
It's a little list but it's not long but he he never in the his whole presentation that's the last clip I have he goes on about some other stuff here that's quite interesting.
It's a very good piece.
Mm-hmm the internet Oh of course he never mentions the internet ninety one isn't when did the when the browser came out but 91 we were talking about the internet a lot because there was some gopher and your buddy gopher and all these other things were out there people were talking about the the internet and and everyone we all had internet email addresses you got them one way or another.
Yeah.
And it w the internet is what really happened in nineteen ninety one and it just exploded with the web which was the you know that there was that period between ninety one and ninety three where people kept, if you remember, and you do, uh, that period of time where people said, Oh, oh, that web is not the internet.
That's the web.
The web is the internet is this and the web is that.
They had to differentiate between the internet and the web.
The web.
Yeah.
And everybody went made a big fuss about that, that differentiation.
Yeah.
And that differentiation disappeared completely.
We don't no one has used that that comment.
Oh, and but in fact, no one even on knows what the web is anymore.
That's true.
It's like just open your browser.
Uh what?
Uh it's safari.
Oh, okay.
No, I have duck duck go.
So I would say that the internet became the religion.
He never gets into never mentions that once, and he goes on and on and he talks about this third thing that took place, which is spiritualism, which is kind of not religion, but it's like everyone still has to be have a spiritual angle and it brings in all kinds of problems.
I've actually seen uh that's a good point.
I've actually seen surveys that show that more and more Americans are saying they are quote spiritual.
And I I certainly think that in a the American church is definitely breaking apart.
We're seeing huge splits in churches, uh, certainly with the traditional um you know, like Methodist, Protestant, you know.
Well, he he goes on I could have clipped his ten clips from the presentation.
Yeah.
He got he goes on about exactly what you say and says that the problem with these churches is they have not fundamentally uh that's why I think it's interesting that your church has a number of little factoids that it pulls off that I think I think which will be created revivalism, I think, which is the socialization thing.
Yes.
Which is a lot of churches become social uh and I came over with this thinking about this because I I did a hit on Chanel's show on Friday.
Oh, I missed it.
I hit a Chanel hit.
And she but she she was this discussion was about this country and western guy who's bitch who's a left winger, and how about country and western is uh you know, they're trying to move in on it.
But she said that she made the comment that there was a large uh the country and western music is the largest genre that is growing the fastest, and asked me if I had any idea of why this might be, and I said maybe it's because country and western at least has to do with relationships and you know,
boys and girls, and uh and the idea that you can, you know, there's there's love songs within the country and western genre as opposed to shooting somebody or or or bitching about immigration status in a song.
And so you end up with this kind of the the need for socialization.
And I think the churches that do well are the ones that are pushing that part of it.
They have their message, but they could but the but the idea that kids in particular, young ones, the Zeds, they you know, they haven't been they don't have they was there's a big story that was going around all this last week on the mainstream media by one of the high schools that cancel all their dances.
It's insane.
Because nobody was gonna go to the dances.
Yeah, and it's like that brings back my old point about the sock hop.
And so I think churches have their opportunity uh to help kids socialize because it's a it is a place where you can meet people.
And I will say that more so yes, uh non-denominational churches, I think are doing quite well, and they're growing, and they also have very young pastors.
You know, when I say young, I mean 40s, and this is a very different breed, a very different genre than and there's and the music is much actually much closer to country and western.
It's all Nashville.
All of the the Christian contemporary music comes out of Nashville now, and they're you know, they're they're they're Ann Wilson, traditional country artist, boom, moves right over to Christian contemporary jelly roll.
You know, this this guy is the furthest thing from Christian contemporary music, has a number one hit with Brandon Lake.
Never heard of any of these.
No, I know you haven't.
But in the in the legendary words of Lonnie Frisbee, there's a whole generation out there just looking for God, man.
I think They're looking to meet a girl.
And that too.
I mean, we have the catalyst group on Wednesday nights, and I actually I go in Wednesday to help these.
There's two kids.
They're 14 and 16.
They're doing a podcast.
So I set them up, and the the church is actually building podcast studios and everything.
Uh sometimes, yeah.
Sometimes.
No, during the day.
I don't know.
I might have been doing something.
No, I was I was on the in Austin last Wednesday.
And I did it on Wednesday.
What are you talking about?
I did it in the car.
I pulled over to check the newsletter.
Yeah, I did.
I pulled over to that's this is my dedication to the show.
But they have uh they have Wednesday nights, and the kids are playing music, they got a band, you know, and they are socializing.
So yeah, yeah.
And and I'm I think that is on the upside.
We used to you used to socialize when I was a kid.
Oh, here we go.
Everything was socialized.
I mean, they had parties on the weekends, we had community centers, we had schools that taught you how to do dances, whether you liked it or not.
They had SOT hops and dances and proms and one thing there.
There was a socialization thing was extremely important.
It's been lost to gender studies.
Yeah.
Well, it's coming back.
And all these churches No, it's not.
Yes, it is.
All these not in the schools.
No, not in the schools.
But you know what?
You know how many churches are now starting schools?
It's a it's it's an enormous amount.
They're they're bringing they're starting schools as affiliated with the church, starting in the church, then they this many of them have now have buildings with hundreds of students.
You know, it's and it's an outgrowth of the homeschool movement.
Yeah, no, there's ch and but all of these, all of these non-denominational churches, they're all pushing culture.
You know, and and actually, funny enough, the seven mountain mandate is is how you could look at it, which is you know, I don't think anyone's really part of the new apostolic reformation, the way NPR might categorize it.
But they are saying, you know, hey, you know, look, this is our country, and if we don't have uh God in our country, then our country's gonna fall apart.
Um that's not a new message.
That's an old very old message, about 250 years old.
Let's go to Taylor Swift.
Speak speaking of the devil, let's bring in Biel's above herself.
Okay.
Now I didn't know this was going on, and I didn't realize it's been going on for a while.
The third yeah, you didn't realize that her last album, the show girls album, was she has 39 versions of it.
No, I'm sorry.
I totally look, I'm giving you license here because 15 years, no, maybe it wasn't 15.
I don't know how 10 years ago you identified Taylor Swift out of the side.
No, it was longer than that.
It was about 15, 16 years ago.
You identified her right out of the gate with her noodling, and you're like, There's something up with this girl.
And I remember it's so long ago Andrew Grummit was still hanging around, although Andrew Grummet is part of podcasting 2.0 now, and his daughter was all into Taylor Swift.
And you so I give you license on the Taylor Swift beat, but no, John, I did not know she has 39 versions of the album.
This is on this presentation, which was on NPR, is one of the kind of lunatic presentations where they bring in these goofballs and they're lie yucking it up constantly.
But they do bring out some marketing uh Taylor Swift to me is a marketing genius, and that's where she really stands in the somebody is somebody or somebody.
I think it's her.
I I always, you know, I thought it was her dad.
I think her dad taught her well.
I think she's the one that's doing it all.
And but here she goes.
As of this recording, there are 38 variants of T's new album, The Life of a Show Girl.
But are all these variants fan service or fan exploitation?
We're getting into it with Steven Thompson, host for NPR Music and Pop Culture Happy Hour, and Ann Powers, NPR music critic and correspondent.
And Steven, welcome to the show.
Thank you so much for having us.
Because you know, it's I'm sorry.
What is this show?
Is this on the radio?
Is this only a podcast?
What is it?
Was this on the radio?
Yeah.
It's Taylor season.
I feel like every season is Taylor season.
When you were the main character in our lives, every season belongs to you.
Taylor is the climate crisis of popular music.
She's also the actual climate crisis with how much she uses that private set.
Gloves are off already.
I love it.
My gloves are always off when it comes to Taylor's lifts.
All right, but Steven and can you name any of the different variants?
So there's one that's like that's showbiz baby edition.
Very clear.
You're thinking of the baby that's show business vinyl collection.
And I'll give you some of the other names.
There was the deluxe so punk on the internet digital version, the sweat and vanilla perfume Portofino orange glitter, all one title, vinyl version.
And also the Alone in My Tower acoustic CD version.
That's just a few.
Like I said, there's 38, right?
27 physical, 11 digital.
Right.
Now, there's a couple ways to look at this.
You could call all of these collectible variants, as some have said, exploitative or manipulative.
Maybe for rabbit fans, you know, they can't not buy all this.
On the other hand, you could call this fan service because Taylor Swift is not forcing anyone to buy her music.
Her fans of their own volition are the ones putting in their credit card information.
Plus, you know, a lot of fans are collectors and like having special violet sparkle or blue shimmer vinyl.
You know, buying a vinyl also could be a good investment.
Can we go back to the church talk?
No.
This better get good.
This is good.
You're listening to a marketing genius at work and what they're doing, and the thing about these she's do she's she has uh an audience that is buying 38 copies of the exact same product.
Mm-hmm.
And they're not buying one or two, they're buying all of them.
And these are it's just different packaging, it's the same songs, but different packages.
There's a different names on each album.
Packaging.
Yeah, yeah.
Different packaging.
Okay.
Yeah, you think you know I know what you were thinking, which is like well, maybe there's some bonus clips on there.
Or maybe there's a different version of the song, some analysis to that, too.
So outtakes or you know, studio studio floor stuff.
No, none of that.
No.
No, it's just different packaging, and each one being a quote unquote collectible.
And of course, it turns out that they are because of the, you know, it's like anything else that's a collectible.
Is there a market for it?
Are they is it getting bid up?
Well, let's listen to part clip two here.
One of our producers has a rare Swift vinyl that is currently selling for upwards of one thousand dollars online.
Right.
So before the Swifties come for me, I know that Taylor Swift is not the only one releasing all these album variants.
I mean, for example, Travis Scott and Fallout Boy, they each released 31 physical variants of their 2023 albums.
But I will say, Taylor Swift gets the most attention for this business tactic.
Why do you think she's the one who's seen as preying on her fans?
Well, I think part of it is that is the downside of being the biggest, right?
And being the main character in our lives makes her a very rich and juicy target.
So it's easy to kind of single her out as an emblem of the problem.
But Brittany, like you said, there are many, many, many stars in pop, hip hop, RB, K-pop, my god.
Where this is just standard operating procedure.
Yeah, I have to add, let's think about Taylor Swift, not as our bestie right now, but as a product.
And I want us to think beyond music because other products are sold in exactly the same way.
And I'm specifically thinking about my daughter's favorite soda, Mountain Dew.
My daughter loves Mountain Dew, and she has to have every new flavor, and she knows, which I didn't know that there are certain flavors that are only sold through Taco Bell or only sold at Walmart.
And there's infinite varieties of basically sugar water, right?
Yeah.
So this is marketing beyond pop music.
But because Taylor is also an artist and has been so insistent on being an artist, to view her as a product feels somehow uh offensive.
Bringing up the other side of this issue, which is the music worth this fetishization?
And there's been a lot of debate, and I would say, even though I still think this album is more enjoyable and think it will last longer than some people do.
But the commentary I've seen, it's really like, well, there's 38 variations, and also the music is terrible.
Well, um, so this is not entirely new.
Um, we've had picture discs, we've had all kinds of marketing packaging differences for many artists throughout the ages.
Um, it really is also the only way you can make money.
I mean, yeah, she gets a lot of the Spotify money just by default, but really you want people buying packages.
You want them buying product.
And that's is that any different from Beanie Babies or Cabbage Patch dolls or anything like that?
Of course not.
No.
But the but there's a little gotcha in here in the last clip, which is the interest little interesting thing about this.
If you're like she brings out 38 copies of the same album and you're a collector, you're some nutball.
And you drop anyone like that.
I don't I I would be shocked if you did.
I know.
But there are people that are out there.
Uh the Swifties.
Uh Comey, for example.
Uh Justin Trudeau.
He went to her concert.
Yeah.
And that's just because they like young girls.
Say you buy 10 or 20 of these things.
Billboard says that's 20 sales.
It helps you get to number one.
It's bull crap.
Yeah.
Does that really matter anymore that you're that you're a number one on a chart?
In the industry, it doesn't to us.
No, I don't think it makes a difference to any.
I don't think the kids care anymore.
The kids.
I don't think the kids ever cared.
When I was a kid, I never I I'm 16.
I bought some 45 during the day.
No, no, no.
The way the I didn't care what Billboard had to say.
No, the way the industry used to work with radio, when radio was the predominant distribution mechanism instead of Spotify or Apple Music or Amazon or whatever you're using.
Uh it was important because the higher up you are in the chart, the more you got into rotation on the radio stations.
That's all that it was about.
It was I don't think any kid really cared that it was number one.
It was all about radio rotation.
That's an industry I happen to know about.
Yes.
Well, there's still they still billboard has not gone out of business.
Barely.
They're hanging on by their fingernails.
As opposed to why are they in business?
It's a question since you know that much about it.
What what's keeping them alive?
Why?
Well, I don't know.
I don't know if they're alive.
Well, during this clip, I'll look it up and I'll tell you if they really are in existence.
As opposed to, I guess if there had been 38 versions of folklore.
Right.
Oh, yeah.
You know, and then all the critics would be like, oh, yes, oh, please give us the you know, flower press version that has the dried unicorn blood.
I will pay for that because the music is so exquisite.
Also, there were variants on folklore, but only 20 variants, as far as I can tell.
Yeah.
Now, let's not forget that Taylor, you know, has been a best-selling artist for nearly two decades.
And her efforts to sell physical albums go way back to like the beginning of her career.
There was, for example, her partnership with Papa John's for her 2012 album Red, where I mean, this is a good deal, mind you.
For $22, you could buy a pizza and Taylor's new album and have them delivered to you.
Just a side note, just a side note.
Those Papa John's boxes were printed with Taylor's album cover on them.
And you can buy one of those cardboard pizza boxes for $513 on eBay right now.
Oh my gosh.
So I wonder what's different now.
Like, why is this grinding everybody's gears?
I think it's just proxy rage.
Say more, please.
People are very mad in general right now about everything.
And Taylor Swift is she enters into this conversation with an album full of songs that are flaunting her material success, her partnership with an equally wealthy not equally wealthy, but equally fair.
Okay.
They both clear certain bars with mega wealth, yeah.
With a wealthy guy.
I will say she is also a billionaire.
So here comes a billionaire in a feather boa.
It just drives everybody crazy.
I'd forgotten about this.
Penske bought it five years ago.
Penske media.
It's like a it's like a vanity ownership.
Oh, I got Billboard, not gonna hang out with Taylor Swift.
It's it could be.
It's not a very valuable property.
But the I I think what's more interesting with Taylor Swift is that yeah, you need to have you need to be a real person.
Uh my buddy Vic was uh with his wife Chris, they stayed over for the weekend.
They're from Dallas, and he used to be in the music business, you know, wrote and produced with all the Jersey Shore guys, all the hair bands, Alice Cooper, and he's and he's now doing just for fun.
He's doing music on um SUNO, and he says, you know, the the everything has changed.
Now everybody can, everybody can make any kind of song, and he gave me, he had created his own Taylor Swift, you know, with uh it was a great title, You're my next last boyfriend.
You know, I wish he had left it.
It's fantastic.
Uh he created the the look, everything.
He said, This is the only thing that's missing is an actual, I forget what is it, what name he chose for her, but the actual physical person.
And I think we're not gonna, we're not far away from going back to kind of the days of the early 80s, Millie Vanilli, where you just have a song.
As long as you can attach a human being to it, you can have a Taylor Swift type experience of fame and kids going nuts for him.
And I have to say, for all the things I don't like about AI, I think we should just go full bore.
Just flood the zone.
Oh, brother.
Yeah, flood the I want as much AI end of show mixes.
Uh I want our musical.
I mean, come on.
I'm actually.
You already got the art.
Yeah, well, yeah, but I I want people And I've got the end-of-show, uh, the end of show uh blurbs.
Blurbs.
Or half of those are AI.
Oh, yeah.
Well, but those are just annoying.
But I'm talking about like I I want the real because I'm doing it.
Yeah, you heard that everyone, right?
I mean, I mean.
Uh no, I I want the I want some songs.
I want some real songs.
Let's do it.
And you know what the great thing is about these songs?
None of them are you you you disparage Nico Syme, who is our great songwriter that was doing this.
He stopped.
No, I didn't.
I played him.
What are you talking about?
I didn't disparage him at all.
I played them because he's actually good.
He is good.
Yeah.
So, but I want more of them.
The best thing about all these songs is that you can play them on a podcast because they're not registered with ASCAB BMI.
There's no physical licensing required.
He just was.
Oh, that's an interesting point.
I could do a uh a music show with all AI music, and it would probably be pretty good.
But but no one's registered, no one's no one even no one even knows what to do.
We need an ask gap for AI AIS.
No, we scaped AI scap.
No, not at all.
This is the great thing.
That's an exit strategy.
Are you kidding me?
Oh, please.
Exit strategy.
No.
I want all kinds of great songs, but they have to be short.
Make them a minute, a minute and a half.
That shows the true professional prompter.
And yeah, if you can keep them short, that's the problem.
And then I can publish.
Like the AI says, oh, a song should be 2.2 minutes, and they make them 2.2 minutes.
There are people who know how to do it.
They know how to do this stuff now.
They're figuring it out.
It's and it's uh I'm okay with it.
And then maybe, you know, we here's the exit strategy.
We pick one of these songs that's really good, you know, like a Nico Syme uh toe tapper, and then we find uh some uh teenage girl to lip sync, and then we create a star out of her.
We could be the new hit makers.
Because that's all you need to do.
You just need to attach a human being to it, and then boom, you fill up the stadium.
It's just that easy.
It's that easy.
And with that, I want to thank you for your courage.
Say in the morning to you, the man who put three C's in the church sock hop.
Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only Mr. Jamore.
Yeah, in the morning, you, Mr. Adam Curry, in the morning, ships the seat, boots on the ground, feed the app.
Subs in the water, all the dames and nice out there.
Yeah, in the morning.
Good morning to the trolls in the troll room.
There we go.
Let's 1865 at the peak.
Okay.
1865.
These trolls are in the troll room.
You can find them at uh noagendastream.com.
Or you can uh listen to them on uh you can join them, I should say, listening live in a modern podcast up.
I got an email this morning uh from someone who said, Hey man, Apple and Spotify aren't uploading your podcast anymore.
I sent it on to you.
Yes.
They sent it to me.
I don't know why people send me this stuff.
It's not my job.
Well, uh, so first of all, we are not on Spotify.
No, we never have been.
No, because we we will not be able to do that.
So why would you think we why does anyone think we were?
Well, that's why it's kind of problematic.
And then, you know, I go look at Apple Podcasts, and yeah, we're there.
Our latest episode is there.
But I think the problem is that people are still on these legacy apps, and then you know, they see it show up on no agenda show, and like you do you forgot to upload it to Apple Podcast, which is not how it works.
But okay, I don't expect you to understand how it works, but that's just the legacy apps.
That's the legacy system.
You want to get out of that.
You want to get a modern podcast app.
And even um Pocket Casts.
Um, I think they they I believe that I don't know if they use Podping.
Because someone said, hey man, it's two hours late on uh on Pocket Cast.
Well, that's because pocket casts may not use Podping.
You can go to Podcast Apps.com, you can see exactly who uses Podping, and that's the one you want to use.
What was that URL again?
Podcast Apps.com.
Plural, podcast apps.com.
That's what you want to do.
So we've been talking about AI, of course, uh, even though it's not a huge lift anymore.
It still does take actual creativity and humor to be able to create something that is worthy of becoming the show art for the no agenda podcast.
And I'd say 90% uh aren't able to do it, which it's okay because it just it clutters everything up and it's hard to uh you know, you just have to look through more submissions, which I quite enjoy because we go, oh man, I could get something to complain about.
Um if you have it in you, if you have the the humor and it's uh it's all human element, and you can translate that through your prompt.
You can create something that will be quite good.
And I'm just I'm pulling back from the generative AI.
I'm okay with it, flood the zone.
I hope it stays alive.
I hope it stays cheap.
I don't know if it will.
I don't know how any of it's possible for these prices.
But okay.
Well, backed off of his position.
Did you notice that, ladies and gentlemen?
No, I still think it's going to kill our young people with their chat bots, and I don't think it's uh proven any worthiness in the uh in industry or in business, except for call centers.
I can see it's harmful is the word you're looking for.
Yeah, otherwise it's harmful and it's costing way too much money, but it's okay.
We've been through these things before.
What was it before this?
Machine learning.
Then it was cloud, and then it was Internet of Things.
It's just another passing, and we'll we'll have quantum coming up soon.
So just another thing.
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Client client server.
So congratulations to Comic Strip blogger.
He prompted it properly and brought us no agenda the musical is the artwork.
A lot of people did no agenda the musical.
Somehow he just got the right element of hokey looking dorks.
He had the absolutely had the right uh no agenda in lights, no agenda the musical.
It was perfect.
I mean, he did it, he he took about 10 stabs at it.
Oh, he did.
Oh, you're yeah, he did.
He had different whole bunch of different ones.
He did.
Yeah, he was gonna he was going for he was swinging for the fences.
He was.
He was.
And uh so he uh ended up you know hitting a homer.
It's because what happens if you keep swaying for the fences.
The earlier version of the particular one that he picked is way down at the bottom.
There's a version called just musical.
I think this is his first attempt, and it's terrible.
Let me see.
And uh just musical.
I'm looking for it now.
I don't see it.
It's next to Trump Peace and uh we also had a lot of people doing 78s, which was uh, I mean I think a lot of it's eight rows down if you're for across.
So we he kept stabbing at it, and he came up with one that worked.
And we liked it.
Um let's see.
What else?
Did we consider anything else?
Kind of thought Nancy Pelosi strung out as a drunk was funny.
But we're not going to be able to do that.
Yeah, we're never.
That was funny.
That's the right one to mention that.
We're never going to use it.
But we'll never use that.
We won't use that.
No, of course not.
But that was a funny piece.
Looked great.
I mean, that's good prompting.
Uh we had several no agenda the musicals.
No, nothing there.
Jeffrey Rhea.
A lot of people tried the protein powder.
I think we did waver a little bit on Nessworks Protein Chips, or at least I did.
Yeah, you liked it.
I was a really saw the comic strip blogger piece early, and I liked it a lot.
It was a good piece, yeah.
It was a good piece.
And Scaramanga keeps threatening that he's gonna do some video.
I haven't seen it yet, but I'm all in.
And where's our where's our Sora 2 musical stuff?
I mean, people should be all over this.
Now that I I'm opened up, I'm ready.
I'm gonna promote this.
I want tons of songs.
We're gonna publish the songs.
We'll become a publisher of AI songs.
Because normally we don't do that.
We don't put the songs in the show notes because that is actually an issue.
Well, particularly if it's uh um if you're using copyrighted work, we can play spoofs and copy you know of copyrighted work and uh parodies is the is the actual term within context of the show.
Uh that would be I I can defend that under fair use.
If you start publishing that separately, that's a huge problem.
So that's why people always ask, why don't you publish the end of show mix it?
Well, for that reason.
Now, if you're sending me AI stuff, we're gonna start highlighting you.
We're gonna put you front and center in the show notes.
We're gonna we're gonna it'll be no agenda records.
No agenda music publishing.
How about an AP take a nap?
No agenda music publishing.
NAMP.
NAMP so catchy.
So uh we will we will promote you.
We will promote you.
And then you know, maybe we'll find uh someone one of our producers has a kid, teach the kid how to lip sync, we'll make your kid a star.
It's gonna be fabulous.
So thank you, Comics Your Blogger, and congratulations.
You hadn't had a win for a while.
And he's been prompting for many, many, many episodes, and he finally made it.
Of course, we've been running value for value.
It'll be 18 years coming up in uh in a week.
Next Sunday, 18 years of your no agenda show.
We will be celebrating.
We hope you join us for that.
And we've been doing value for value for those 18 years, which means we give you the show right up front, open and available, there's no levels or subscriptions or anything you gotta jump around.
You just listen to it.
You subscribe to it, you listen to it.
And if you feel secret, no seek no bonus content, you know, nothing behind the paywall.
Oh, none of that.
If you feel that you've received value from the show, such as those that fabulous Taylor Swift segment, or the Africa News, all things I I know were grabbing someone's attention with that somewhere.
If you're that one someone saying, you know, I never would have known about the Gen Z Takeover, the Gen Z revolution, the color revolution of the Gen Z across Africa, then send us some value back.
Noagendonations.com.
It's that easy.
We always thank everyone who supports us.
$50 and above for each episode, doesn't matter how much you send, as long as it's value to you, it's equal to the value you received.
Uh we love the numerology of different uh different types of numbers that are meaningful to you or to your group or your crowd or whatever.
We love it all.
And if you're fortunate enough to support us with $200 or more, we not only will read your note that you send us, but we'll also give you the official show business title of associate executive producer.
It's a real title.
Go look at imdb.com.
People use it all the time there.
Over a thousand producers.
$300 and above, you become an executive producer for this episode of the No Agenda Show.
And we kick it off with Dame Sandcat.
She's from Poland.
Hold on a second.
Right.
So I'm thinking about the Zed thing you mentioned.
Is it possible that the Moroccan thing was the first, right?
I believe so, yeah.
And that we can't associate that with bricks.
Is it possible that the Moroccan thing was actually organic?
And they said, look at what's happening here.
We can mo we can use that as the model.
I don't know because they stopped for 10 days and they started up again.
I'm I don't know.
Maybe the first round was organic and they started it up again to see if they could if they could start it up again just to prove that the model works.
Well, you can know one thing.
Your no agenda show is on top of it.
We are watching Africa.
Because no one else will.
We're watching Africa.
Dame Sandcat from Perump, Nevada.
Perump.
51538.
Which I'm sure is 500 with the $15.38 cents in by the way.
Did you see?
I thought this was a scandal.
Did you see what GoFundMe did that they've now been uh that they admitted to have done?
No.
They started over a million GoFundMe pages for nonprofits who didn't sign up.
The nonprofits, they just got all the information from IRS, from the PayPal giving big databases.
So if you have a nonprofit, there's a high likelihood that GoFundMe has a GoFundMe page for you.
Now I think they they do actually send the money to you, but you know, when you go on GoFundMe.
You don't know that.
Well, I've heard no one saying that they haven't received the money from GoFundMe.
The exception people take to it is these guys, they suggest a tip for GoFundMe of 16%.
Wow.
And it's like it's like one of those pre-check jobs, like, hey, you know, just uh go ahead and help us out and so we can continue to grow.
Yeah.
I I think this is a huge violation somehow.
You can't just do that.
I guess they did it.
Yeah, no.
So opt in, as long as it's opt-in.
What do you mean opt in?
They just opted everybody in.
I thought you said there's a thing you had to check.
No, but forget if there's a check or not.
They just decided to go fundraise.
Well, I'm not talking about the opt-in for the for the donation uh recipient.
I'm talking about the opt-in for the 16%.
Well, let me take a look.
Let me see.
Let me just go to a rando go fund me.
Random.
Rando, gofundme.com.
Okay.
I'll just select one.
Uh don't they have uh uh don't they highlight one somewhere?
Here, please help Steven's family.
Okay.
So we'll go there.
I'm gonna hit donate now.
And suggested amount.
Uh so I'll do uh 200 bucks.
Not really gonna do it.
Oh, right off the bat.
Add $30 to be in the top 5% of donors.
Wow.
Before oh, yeah, there it is.
Custom tip 16.5 pre-selected.
So you have pre-selected.
Yeah, so you have to move the slider back to zero.
And the minute you do that, are you able to add a tip?
Tips keep GoFundMe running so people like Ruben can get the help they need.
It's that slider is pre-selected at 16.5%.
So if you're not looking at it, and you just hit your PayPal, boom, you've already paid them.
So it's it's opt out.
Scandalous.
That it that's not good.
No, it's scandalous.
So with none of that nonsense and no agenda, but if you send the check, that $15.38 won't happen either.
It'll be what is it, 40 cents?
40 cents, probably.
Depends.
After a couple hundred free checks.
Yeah, and you can send it uh right from your bank.
You don't have to write the check out.
Although we'd appreciate that too.
No, we like the people who write the check.
Yes, we like because you get personalized.
You get it and it encourages people to write checks and send.
We don't encourage cash because you know you don't trust the mail that much, even though it seems to work fine.
But the uh it's nice to write your signature down and write the amount.
It gives you something to do.
So Dame Sandcat says, this is Dame Sandcat to be recognized as Secretary General of Southern Nye County, land of hookers and blow.
And indeed.
Is that right?
That's the land of hookers and blow.
That's the land of hookers and blow.
And this is the last opportunity.
These will be our last Secretary's General, I believe.
Is the promotion over now?
Uh the promotion will be over after midnight tonight.
After midnight.
Get your uh order up.
And she says, Rev Al, please.
Oh, E S P I C T. What's funny?
One of our producers went to the uh, he sent me like 50 pictures from the No Kings uh protest that he went to.
And he sent a picture because he had a sign.
And he had a because everyone had handmade signs.
He had a sign that said, resist we much, and we must much, much about that be committed.
Walking around with it.
Yeah, it's a great deal.
Thank you very much, Dame Sancat.
Uh Sir Henry in Austin, Texas, right?
Where you used to live.
Mm-hmm.
500 bucks.
ITM with this donation.
I would like to be ITM with this donation.
That's funny.
It's actually says ITM.
Period.
With this donation, I would like to become the Secretary General of Shangri-La.
Nice.
Congratulations.
Shangri La.
That's good.
Sir Henry, Baron of Flowerland.
Flower Field.
Oh, Flower Field.
You got Flower Land out of it.
Well, because there's a there's a place down the street from me called Flowerland.
And it just sticks in my brain.
When I see that flower part, I see the land all automatically appears in my brain.
We shall make it so later on.
And Sir Dan the Man checks in.
Haven't heard from him in a while with $500.
He says, Congratulations on 18 years.
I would like to be named Secretary General of the Sunshine State.
Thank you for your cards, Sir Dan the Man, Earl of Southwest Florida.
You got it.
Wow.
Uh North.
Oh, here's our North Idaho Sanity Brigade.
Push Falls, Idaho 333.33 on behalf of the North Idaho Sanity Brigade.
Here is a crowdfunded magic number donation, courtesy of many of their attendees.
Uh piling various amounts of cash into the center of the table.
Nice.
Nice.
Thank you.
I'm all in.
Yeah.
We have released the debut episode of our new hybrid hyperlocal podcast, no ID.
As in North Idaho, no ID.
Oh, cool.
I like it.
North Idaho cute.
But also, as in screw your cabal issued digital social credit credential thing.
Every region should have its own no agenda because every region has a mainstream apparatus that propagai propagandizes requiring deconstruction.
Heed Adam's call, like we did.
Start a hyperlocal podcast.
Thanks, Podfather, for the inspiration.
Sir Scott, the Jew and the North Idaho Sanity Brigade.
Oh, this is very interesting.
I would love to host a no agenda network of hyperlocal podcasts.
I happen to have the software for it.
So, and what you missed out on, Sir Scott the Jew and the North Idaho Sandy Brigade is you didn't tell me where to find the podcast.
Is it just no ID?
Can I just find that in every podcast app?
Is it on the is on the index?
Let me know.
I would be more than happy to create the No Agenda Podcast Network.
I think it's a grand idea.
Very good.
And Sir Commodore Jay Stroke from Norton, Ohio comes in with an associate executive producer credit for his 234 16 cents.
ITM came across Citizen.
HCTPS Citizen Portal.ai.
It's a service in which you get AI generated summaries of local government meetings.
Huh.
Not sure if you've heard of it.
Oh, that's actually interesting.
Is it free?
How do they do this stuff for free?
Yeah, I gotta wonder.
Uh Adam, your recommendation on here we go again on hyperlocal podcasts, made me seek out ways to be more informed locally, even if not doing a podcast, which is how I found it.
Seems like the best use of AI that I've seen it helps keep me just an average husband, father, and night stay in the know on local government.
I've been using it to follow a proposed data center development in my town.
Check it out.
If you're interested, I know you guys are swamped with no agenda and doing your round as podcast guests.
Yeah.
Boy, we're so busy with the podcast guesting.
But I felt obliged to share.
I can hear John commenting.
I wish you were obliged to send donations.
So I did.
Please accept my PayPal donation of 23416 for the show plus fees.
Do you think the constant berating of donors is directly is directed incorrectly?
Shouldn't you berate the listeners who aren't donors?
Maybe it's just semantics, but words are weapon these days.
Thank you for your this is a very good point.
And someone else made that point to me.
Someone said, Hey man, like I donate, but I I think we should say specifically that it's the people who listen but aren't donating who we are berating.
I don't think we're berating our our existing donors, do you?
I don't think that's ever been.
We berate everybody evenly.
I don't see a problem.
When you have 800,000 people listening and only 50 donors.
No, I don't berate people.
Are we berating any of the donors today?
I don't think so.
If I get any emails about you, I would say 85% about your bitching and moaning and and and complaining about donations.
What the what people don't understand is if you don't do that, guess what happens?
Nothing.
We get no donations.
That's exactly what you're doing.
You gotta bitch and moan.
Bitching and moaning is part of the process.
Come on.
This is the reason that we get donations at all.
It's part of the well, what are you gonna come out and say, hey, oh, we got a lot of donors.
Oh, that's great.
You guys, this you're donated.
This is fabulous.
We're getting these donations, and don't worry about it.
Maybe some yak karma could do some good, says Sir Commodore J. Stroke.
Well, we agree.
Thank you very much.
You've got karma.
Bitching and moaning works.
It's part of the process.
It is.
Welcome to podcasting 101 with Adam C. Curry and John C. Dvorak.
Um, today we talk about donations.
John, what is the crux of the donation value for value model?
Complaining a lot.
Boom.
We don't get enough money.
There it is.
There it is.
And you know what?
A lot of people have a problem.
I think people are embarrassed because they know they could never do it.
They could never do it.
Oh, you mean they can't bitch and moan?
No.
They can't bitch and moan about donations.
Well, this is the problem.
We would notice this, by the way.
For the you out there that think you're going to be able to pull off value for value.
You do have to have some sincerity.
Do you want the money or not?
Yes.
It's called asking for the money.
Yes.
It's also biblical if you think about it.
The asking ye shall receive.
If you don't ask, you don't get it.
Whoa, you just threw some biblical scripture out.
Beautiful.
Oh, yeah, that's scripture.
It is.
So uh the point is is that you have to be sincere about look.
We need the m we do look.
The show doesn't pay for itself.
We have bills.
We do the show.
This is our full-time job, basically, and we need some help here.
And that's all we're doing.
It's not like we're berating any one person.
Yo Jim out there, you didn't give us any money.
Uh there is a gym that's never given us money.
I'm not sure.
Do you know what?
You know what I think a lot of people that certainly for me.
A lot of people think, You're rich, Curry.
You were on television, you Dvorak, you sold millions of books.
I think they think that we're loaded and we're just doing this as a hobby.
For fun.
No, it's cash flow.
Yeah, cash flow.
We're not loaded, neither one of us.
We live on cash flow, basically.
We do.
We we live by the ebb and flower.
If you were rich, we'd be in, you know, we wouldn't have this.
Our attitude is not that of a rich person, either one of us.
No, I don't think so.
I don't think that uh no.
You know who's rich?
Dana Brunetti.
And what does he donate?
Nothing.
Dana Brunetti is rich.
Yeah.
And he has a uh a big giant ranch.
Yeah.
And and when's the last time he donated?
Well, he's he relies on other people to donate in his name at levels that he doesn't appreciate.
Uh let's move on, shall we?
Onward with uh oh, I'm sorry, you got that one.
Steven Trockels is here.
Or possibly Stefan.
Uh I think it's I think it's Stefan.
It might be.
Stefan Trockles from Parts Unknown.
Double up Karma for my nephew named.
What is that say?
Bali.
Bali.
Bali?
Yes.
Who recently completed his first trip around around the sun, having accumulated so many miles in an airplane, he might as well be Generation Delta Airlines, Delta Airlines.
Get it.
Yeah, I get it.
Sorry.
Sorry.
I mean, deduce the kid.
You've been de-dished.
Accidental douche de douching.
There we go.
And by the way, he came in with 222.
21019.
Eli the coffee guy always adds the date.
1019 today, 200 plus 1019.
He says lots of goings on around the globe.
Good thing we have AstroTurf protests and John Bolton's mustache for the media here to talk about.
Gentlemen, thank you for the excellent media deconstruction.
Keep up the great work.
And I'm happy to keep you caffeinated.
Actually, we're happy to keep everyone in Gitmo Nation Caffeinated.
Just visit Gigawat Coffee Roasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order.
Stay caffeinated, says Eli the Coffee Guy.
And I will say our guests loved the gigawatt.
They will be purchasing their own.
Yeah, I was uh I was selling for them this morning.
Check this out.
Check this coffee.
You think you got good coffee?
You don't have the official gigawatt coffee roasters coffee.
By the way, his Ethiopian Gucci organic, whatever it is that he promoted a couple of shows ago.
Yeah.
I finally opened the bag and put it in the machine.
It's outstanding.
Yeah.
He makes a good product.
He and Jen together.
I would like to see a picture of his roaster with him standing next to it.
I want to see yours.
I want to see your lots of people's roasters.
Uh this next letter I is from uh Baron uh OG Godcaster, and he wants you to read this note.
Uh please.
This must be Steve Webb, because there is only one OG Godcaster.
Uh $200.77 message receives in the morning, fellas.
I just launched a new show called Verses We Missed.
And I want to invite Gitmo Nation to check it out.
It's a short weekly show that looks into those Bible verses you may have read before, but maybe didn't really see.
There's a lot of treasure under the surface.
Find the show in your podcast app or at verses we missed.com.
And please credit this.
Uh yes, it is from Steve.
Please credit this donation to the lovely Leanne, Lady Leanne, I should say.
And if you would pray for her.
She took a nasty fall this past Thursday and needed six staples in her scalp.
Oi, ouch.
Ow.
Ouch.
Yes.
Prayer flare received.
Love you guys.
May God bless you richly.
All right.
And that will also go in our new No Agenda Network uh system.
I'm going to start this.
I like this.
Hyperlocal podcast, and this one belongs in it as well.
So uh proving the point about complaining.
I complain some uh every so often about the Irish never donating to the show.
They're no good.
And Peter McClay comes in from Dublin.
There we go.
$200 and 18 cents, no note.
But he uh will give him a double up karma.
Yeah, proof that moaning works.
You've got double up karma.
Why don't you do Linda and then I'll do the long one because they want me to read that one.
Linda Lupatkin in Lakewood Colorado.
No, I'm sorry.
That long one isn't even a two.
Oh, it's from Canada.
It is.
It is a Canada.
Yep, you're right.
It is.
Yes.
Linda Lupatkin in Liquid Colorado, $200 jobs karma for a competitive edge with a resume that gets results.
Go to ImageMakers Inc.
com for all your executive resume and job search needs.
I'm doing a little modulation here.
Yeah, I can tell.
And job search needs.
That's Image Makers Inc.
with a K. And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of Jobs, and writer of winning resumes.
200 bucks.
So I was talking to Vic because he actually does sell.
He's in the sales chain, like the corporate sales chain.
Like we don't.
No, no, but no, what that's not what I mean.
Um so he A lot of his clients are uh the sales chain, if you're in like the Microsoft sales chain and you sell, let's just say SharePoint or whatever, you get a perpetual.
So as long as that company is is using the product, you as the in-between guy in the sales chain, you get like 10 or 15%.
Yeah.
It's it's an unbelievable business.
Yeah, it's great.
And so he so he has a yeah, it's great.
He has a number of clients, and uh uh we were talking about use of AI for um for resumes.
And it turns out the number one thing that you can really do with AI for your resumes that will actually, and I'd love to hear from Linda Lupatkin on this, is have AI do your head shot.
That's and and and make sure your head shot is the one you use on LinkedIn.
Well, there's a couple of AI products that do headshots for see, it doesn't surprise me.
Yeah, there's a couple, and they they take your you give him a shouple of photos, yeah, and it'll create a perfect head shot with the right background and the whole thing.
It makes you look very uh professional.
And then I think we talked about it on the show before.
Not that part.
I don't remember that part.
Maybe Yeah, I I've seen it's been pointed out a couple of times.
They look good.
Sarah Nielsen comes in with uh 157.97 cents, which was 200 uh Canadian uh dollar redues, so we do uh honor that.
It's getting increasingly difficult, but we honor it.
She's from Valmorin, Quebec in Canada.
And she says, I hope this message finds you well.
Adam, if you could, if possible, could you try a Danish accent for this note?
If not, Dutch would work.
Danish.
Well, my Danish sounds a bit like my Swedish, but I'll give it a shot.
I would like to to wish my smoking hot husband, Alex, a happy 33 uh uh oops, I mean 47th birthday today, October 19th.
What do you do when your husband and your own birthday falls on a show day all in the same week?
I will have to do like him and donate.
May this 210 and 19 cents Canadian.
What am I doing?
I'll switch Dutch.
Go towards his knighthood.
Side note, his 200 U.S. donation on show 1808 is 280 Canadians.
Alex and I have been on a glorious journey for 23 years.
We meet while touring with Cirque de Soleil.
Oh, wow.
We had our first born.
That's cool.
Were you were you the the lady in the in the in the cocktail glass?
We had our first born in the ball.
We had our firstborn on tour until school age.
Then we started playing house, and we had our second daughter, and many crazy adventures ever since it has been a blast.
Alex has been my rock and keeps inspiring all of us girls.
Happy hunting, my love.
What do you want him to hunt?
There's really still quite understand the meaning of it.
No, it's Danish.
There's too many more years as we slowly make the journey towards Dame and Knighthood.
Thank you for your attention to this, Matt.
John, would you be so kind to play?
I love my truck and I love what I do.
Yes, I would.
I love my truck and I love what I do.
And no joy like a lame woman.
And we thank you all, executive and associate executive producers for your support of the No Agenda Show for episode 1809.
It is all highly appreciated.
And of course, these credits are the real deal.
Go to IMDB.com and uh and you can uh open up an account if you already have one.
And of course, we'll be thanking the rest of our do uh donors, $50 and above in our second segment.
We love every single value for value donation, any amount.
You can also set up a recurring donation.
Don't you do it through GoFundMe?
Do it right here on NoAgenda Donations.com.
Congratulations again to these executive and associate executive producers.
Our formula is this.
We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
Shut up, slaves.
Shut up.
So Lady Vox in the troll room says she's disappointed.
She thought that her check would have reached you by now.
She sent it nine days ago.
When did you check the PO box?
You check it regularly.
I checked, I'll tell you what I checked that P.O. box every uh Tuesday and Friday.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, so maybe uh Tuesday.
How long I don't know where she lives, so I don't know how how long it would take.
The mail has been kind of unpredictable, I would say.
Just just me.
Sometimes it takes longer than it should.
Sometimes it comes in like really fast.
Mm-hmm.
I don't know how it works.
Hey, we have an uh Epstein update.
Epstein update.
Epstein.
Who's Epstein?
Prince Andrew gives up his royal title of Duke of York as well as other honors after his friendship with sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
Returns to the headlines.
The news comes ahead of the late Virginia Roberts Jeffrey's memoir, due to be published on Tuesday.
Jeffrey alleged she was trafficked by Epstein and had sex with Andrew when she was seventeen.
Claims Andrew denies in a statement released by Buckingham Palace on Friday.
And with the agreement of his brother, King Charles, Andrew said the continued accusations about me distract from the work of his majesty and the royal family.
In 2019, Andrew had already stepped down from public life over links to Epstein, despite denying any wrongdoing.
Interesting that she keeps saying Epstein.
The whole world knows it's Epstein.
I don't know why I have to say Epstein.
And it seems like Duke of York title is in play.
Anyone who's wants to upgrade to Duke, you can become the Duke of York.
I think we should give a do a Duke of York's promotion.
I th I think it was it was very strange that this guy bailed out.
Why didn't he do this years ago?
Because the book is coming out, and something no good is in the world.
There must be something in the book that he knows about is not good.
For sure.
For sure.
Um we have uh let's see.
We have uh oh, yeah, I guess the uh there's a deep well let's let's start with this just because just to keep up on it.
Bolton.
Uh these were sealed indictments.
These were actually before you played it, let's play Bolton is past commentary.
I have a clip here.
Bolton on his on the whole on on the legality of all these uh the Marl.
He he had some wait.
He has some commentary about Snowden and Assange and all these people and how he felt about it.
We'll have to prove it.
Uh then he has committed very serious crimes.
This is this this is Wait, is this this is this says Bolton and Mar-a-Lago raids?
Yeah, he is talking about he's talking about how he how the how the law should treat people who mishandled classified information.
Oh, okay.
We'll have to prove it.
Uh, then he has committed very serious crimes.
This is this this is a devastating indictment.
I speak here as an alumnus of the Justice Department myself.
Uh because not only is it powerful, it's very narrowly tailored.
They didn't throw everything up against the wall to see what would stick.
This really is a rifle shot, and I I think it's uh it should be uh the end of Donald Trump's political career.
Oh, so that's the one on Trump, yeah.
Yeah.
I don't have the other one, which is even funnier.
No, but that is kind of funny in light of the 18 indictments that were sealed.
Former UN ambassador and former Trump National Security Advisor John Bolton appearing in federal court in Maryland.
Bolton pleading not guilty to 18 counts of alleged illegal transmission and retention of classified information.
He declared himself the latest target in weaponizing the Justice Department to charge those Trump deems to be his enemies.
Bolton is the third Trump enemy to be indicted in three weeks.
The others, former FBI director James Comey, and New York Attorney General Letitia James.
Earlier this week at the president Where did this clip come from?
Um let me check.
This seems a little slanted.
This is the third Trump enemy.
Yeah.
I this ABC.
Yes, good catch.
I I actually posed.
Oh, it's a Trump enemy.
Yes.
It's a guy who broke the law.
Yeah, I know.
I'd actually put a note to myself and forgot to stop it myself.
Thank you for catching that.
Trump deems to be his enemies.
Bolton is the third Trump enemy to be indicted in three weeks.
Isn't that great?
I just love that.
I think it's fantastic.
they've slipped that in there.
The others, former FBI director James Comey, and New York Attorney General Letitia James.
Earlier this week at the president urging the Justice Department to keep going.
Bolton saying the Trump administration embodies what Joseph Stalin's head of secret police once said.
You show me the man and I'll show you the crime.
Bolton is accused of sharing classified information with two family members in diary-like emails, describing his experiences in Trump's White House for a tell all book.
Prosecutors say that information, in addition to documents, was discovered when the FBI searched his home.
President Trump saying this on Fox News.
He took classified information and he published it during a presidency.
It's one thing to write a book after.
Oh, yeah.
Bolton did report the hack to authorities.
Bolton's attorneys deny any wrongdoing, with Bolton insisting his book was reviewed and approved by the appropriate experienced career clearance officials.
If convicted, each count carries 10 years.
Yeah, I find this very interesting.
Because, yeah, first of all, he published it in a book.
And he says it was cleared by security...
Like officials?
I wonder who does that.
And then, oh, it was an Iranian cyber hacker.
Okay.
Yeah.
Well, I don't know.
You think he's gonna go away?
I doubt it.
The Republicans are always making these threats, and it never nothing.
I've always reminded of James Comer.
Yeah, but now you say this, but you keep saying it about the look.
Everything in Congress, I'm with you.
It's who cares?
It's uninteresting.
They don't do anything.
But when it gets to the Department of Justice, that's not just the Republicans, that's the Department of Justice.
And Pam Bondi, who we know is not the brightest lamp.
She could just take it all away.
You know, she she could she could make it happen.
She can get someone put in jail.
We'll see.
Well, then there's the declassified Durham report documents.
The documents contain emails, allegedly from the senior vice president of the George Soros Open Society Foundation.
He quotes a Clinton campaign advisor saying, quote, it will be a long-term affair and to demonize Putin and Trump.
And adds that, quote, later the FBI will put more oil into the fire, unquote.
Other emails reveal Hillary Clinton approved the idea of tying Trump and Russia to election interference.
And that was a scheme, hoping the allegations would distract people from her own email scandal.
These documents provide clear evidence that Hillary Clinton's campaign was behind the Russia hoax, and that the FBI knew what the Clinton team was up to, acknowledging that the info they were receiving about the Trump campaign may have come from the Clinton camp.
Despite this, the Obama Intel community forged ahead with their 2017 assessment, concluding that Russia aspired to help Trump win the election.
So what laws do you where did that report come from?
Fox.
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, of course.
Nobody is reporting that but Fox.
And do you think that that can be used to send someone like Comey or Brennan to jail?
I think that I think there's a unless they can prove conspiracy.
I don't know.
No, I don't think so either.
If they can't prove conspiracy, because everything else is statute of limitations is long gone.
Yeah, they have to prove conspiracy.
And I, you know.
That's why I think they're going after Comey with this minor charge.
Yeah, get him on tax evasion.
Yeah, that's the old trick.
And then sad news from the world of rock and roll, everybody.
Rock and rule.
Sad news in the world of rock and roll.
Rock and roll.
Ace Freely, a founding member of the glam rock band KISS has died after a recent fall.
Fraille's driving guitar sound powered the band that captivated audiences with elaborate makeup and thrilling stage performances.
His agents says Freiley died peacefully Thursday, surrounded by family in Morristown, New Jersey.
Ace Freely was 74.
They leaving a lot out there.
Ace Freely, lifelong Addict.
So bad that his daughter just she quit her job, everything to try and keep him alive and keep him off substances.
And then he slipped and he fell, and then uh he got a brain bleed, and they thought it was gonna be okay, but then he wasn't which I don't know if he would his driving guitar was really the success of Kiss, but it was an element.
It was it wasn't element, yeah.
74 is too young.
It's too young.
Too young, I tell you.
Well, if you're strung out, it's easy to get that far.
Yeah.
Uh climate change, there's a new report.
Man, I'm so happy.
I really hope that uh Well, before you play the new report on climate change, let's play my old report from 2009.
Okay.
From John Kerry on the Congress floor.
In five years, scientists predict we will have the first ice-free Arctic summer that exposes more ocean to sunlight.
Ocean is dark, it consumes more of the heat from the sunlight, which then accelerates the rate of of the of the melting and warming rather than the ice shell sheet and the snow that used to reflect it back up into the atmosphere.
No, so that was uh so ten years ago we should have had an ice-free Arctic.
Well, he said in five years, and that was 2009, so in 2014, which is eleven years ago.
Eleven years.
We should have had an Arctic-free Arctic, even though we're buying icebreakers for some reason from Finland.
I this is a good beat, John.
I want you to keep bringing these on.
These all these old clips just keep bringing them up, and then a good intro to the new clips and which you have.
Yes, uh it's a new report, and uh of course, uh it's actually quite similar.
Sweltering heat and cracked earth.
All over the world warming is having an impact.
Oh no, cracked Earth.
And it's getting hotter.
Average global temperatures have risen by 0.3 degrees Celsius since 2015, leading to eleven more hot days per year.
A decade ago, almost 200 governments came together to sign the Paris Agreement.
So I love the hot days.
I don't know what a hot day is.
You know, it's a hot day.
Hot day here is over a hundred.
A hot day for you might be ninety, you know.
It's like what's a hot day?
And uh, uh I don't like this at all.
I don't like these you should be a little more exact.
An international climate eighty-five, is that a hot day for you?
I think so, yeah.
Almost 200 governments came together to sign the Paris Agreement.
Yes, just a reminder of the Paris Agreement, part of the North Sea Nexus.
An international climate accord that obliges nations to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and limit temperature rise to no more than two degrees Celsius.
Before the agreement was signed.
What?
What?
What happened to 1.5?
No, no, it's it's it's a moving target.
Emissions and limit temperature rise to no more than two degrees Celsius.
Before the agreement was signed, global warming was estimated to reach four degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels by the end of the century, which scientists say would have led to 114 additional hot days per year.
This is the new metric.
It's how many extra hot days you get.
Hey, you know what?
There's people that live in Holland, and they're happy with hot days.
They're like, it's beautiful weather.
I live in a perpetual car wash.
I like hot weather.
If enacted, pledges made under the accord would limit warming to 2.6 degrees, leading to half the number of hot days.
It's progress, say experts, as part of a new study.
But more still needs to be done.
We are still not seeing the highest possible ambition, and that is obviously a huge problem.
Brit, Britt, North Sea Nexus.
It is a problem that would be paid for with the lives and livelihoods of lives.
Um the poorest people in the world.
Poorest people in the world will die, you evil, evil Westerners.
Uh, in every country.
Heat is the biggest type of extreme weather, contributing to an estimated half a million deaths globally every year.
And it's often underestimated.
Only around half of countries worldwide have heat early warning systems in place, with coverage uneven and far fewer systems found in Africa, Latin America, and parts of Asia.
We need heat early warning systems.
Another exit strategy.
It's called a Thermometer.
Okay, we can keep playing these sorts of things.
Yeah.
I don't have any more, but I think more dangerous is Star Shield.
Have you heard about this?
Yes, I have.
But I have heard about I have a clip.
I would love to hear your clips about Star Shield because it seems like they're on the hand bands.
Exactly.
It all begins.
Or worse.
Yes, here we go.
It all began with a guy living out in British Columbia named Scott Tilly.
Tilly tracks satellites for fun, kind of like plane spotting but in space.
He was working with his Yeah, there it is.
That categorizes your typical amateur radio operator.
Kind of like a plane spotter in space.
Tilly tracks satellites for fun, kind of like plane spotting but in space.
He was working with his equipment one day.
And it was just a clumsy move at the keyboard.
I was just resetting some stuff.
He switched to the wrong antenna and found himself looking at a range of radio frequencies that are normally quiet.
He was about to move on when he saw something weird.
It's really subtle.
Hey, wait a minute.
That's exactly the type of stuff I'm normally looking for.
A radio signal from a satellite, but at the wrong frequency.
Tilly recorded the signal and then looked at a catalog other amateurs had created of all the satellites in space.
And bang, up came an unusual identification that I wasn't expecting at all.
Starshield.
Starshield is a classified network of intelligence satellites from the commercial company SpaceX.
Its users include spy agencies like the National Reconnaissance Office, which launched a batch of Star Shield satellites just last month.
And lift off of Falcon Dive.
Go stay, go N R L for you.
Tilly has since spotted a lot more Star Shields, 170 in all.
And that's a problem, he says, because this frequency they're using to send data down to Earth is supposed to be used for the exact opposite for sending commands from Earth to civilian satellites.
He worries StarShield could mess them up.
Nearby satellites could receive radio frequency interference and could perhaps not respond properly to commands or ignore commands from Earth.
Kevin Gifford is a computer scientist at the University of Colorado Boulder, who specializes in radio interference from spacecraft.
He agrees star shield signals could cause interference.
I'm skeptical about this because the way I understand it is he's using or these star shields are sending signals on the downlink, what should be the uplink from a bunch of hams on CubeSats.
So I'm I'm not sure if that's going to mess up command and control of other satellites.
Well, that's what they imply.
Yeah, I'm not sure that's true.
I think that it's definitely happening.
Um how big of an impact is a question.
The truth is satellite operators really don't send that many commands from Earth to space, and the commands they do send via uplink are usually brief.
You know, that uplink has a low probability of being corrupted simply because the uplink in those bands is not happening that often.
SpaceX and the NRO did not respond to NPR's request for comment about the transmissions, but Tilly says he thinks the world needs to know.
These secret satellites are beaming out a signal that could mess up other spacecraft.
But was this but I thought that it was on a on a ham uh part of the ham band for satellite communications.
Did I miss it?
Could be did I misunderstand that?
They never say.
You know, Vic, same Vic.
Uh he's gonna be one of the first reps for I forget the name of it.
What's the the Amazon uh Starlink variant?
Amazon's Amazon's shipping some Amazon is gonna put satellite birds up.
They are already are.
Yeah.
Or yeah, let me see.
It's called uh Kuiper.
They use it using that same crackpot technology that uh that Musk uses.
So it's called Kuiper, which is a Dutch name.
Yeah, K-U-I-P-E-R, Cowper.
Um then according to Vic, this will be gigabit speeds.
Bull.
Well, I mean, hey, he's a sales guy.
So but you bless you.
I uh if Vic says it, I I believe it's that woman who wrote the note will be bitching about me doing that.
John, you're so rude and so mean to Adam.
You keep sneezing in the middle of him.
Can't you mute your mic?
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Oh.
Cody Dobson.
You've been de-duced.
Well, wait, wait, wait.
He wants to call out his good friend, supposedly good friend.
James Walker as a douchebag.
Well, Cody is is yeah, San Antonio is kind of a neighbor, but it's about an hour away.
You go there.
I go there, yes.
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Save second base.
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You gotta you gotta laugh out of us.
Very good.
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Which is which I think means the uh the water filled with worms.
Is that what it really means?
I think so.
Something like that, yeah.
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Everyone, I saw the Manchurian candidate rocketed to the top of the charts.
Everyone uh picking that one up from uh from the classic movies.
And uh before we do that, we always like to take a look at some of the end-of-show ice.
What?
I don't see any ISOs on your list.
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Hail to the king, baby.
Okay.
We have this one.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
And this one is a little long, but I kind of liked it.
What are we doing?
You have a podcast, but you don't have a YouTube channel?
Mm-hmm.
Yes, that was sent in by someone.
Yeah, you don't like that one.
Uh, I do kind of like it, but you know, when you bring in the Jones material.
Bye bye!
Bye-bye!
You just there's no competition.
I agree.
AJ, it is.
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Okay, this is a screwball tip.
Uh, this is for people who travel in Europe by train.
Okay, everybody, pay attention.
That's you.
It could be anybody because it you get a URL pass, which Americans love to do, and you just jump on the train, you go from here to there.
But it's kind of a pain in the ass to figure out where to go, how to go, where, you know, where's the schedules?
The Deutsche Bahn puts together a website for international for everybody, but there's an international traveler's version, which is the one I'm recommending.
And the website is uh INT.
Exactly.
Right.
Get it right now.
INT.
Bond B-A-H-N dot D E slash English E-N.
Uh.
I think if you don't put the E N it still works.
But you can also look it up on Google at Deutsche Bahn International Travel Site.
You put in where you're going, and this is for all of Europe, and it includes the UK.
I don't know why they do this, because there's all these different competing, you know, operations in Europe with the different train companies.
But you put in where you're starting and where you want to go, and it will take you from train to train to train, show you what platform you're landing on, where what platform to go to to transfer to the next train, it do at what time the train comes in and at what time the next train leaves and what platform it's on.
It's unbelievable.
If you happen to be traveling through Europe in Deutschland.
Well, Europe, it did Eastern Europe, uh Middle Europe, uh, England, uh, all the way up into Sweden.
It's just astonishing that they have this this and it's well structured, very easy to deal with.
They've changed the interface a little bit.
I used to use this a lot.
Uh, you know, 20 years ago.
And it were or 30 years ago.
Yeah.
And it was e I thought it was I thought the layout was a little nicer when it was old more old-fashioned.
And but it's it's still because you like blink tags.
Uh, there was no blink tags involved.
And the cat running across the bottom.
That's what I was missing.
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And uh in the show notes, I just added it.
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You were a pothead.
Oh, that's why.
Yeah, now I remember.
Thanks.
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Remember us at Noahgenda Donations.com until Thursday, adios mofos a hooeyhoo y and the planted gun was referred to by the detective as a ham sandwich.
Every cop that I knew carried a ham sandwich.
A ham sandwich.
A ham sandwich is a clean gun that would they would take and put it in like an old pair of uh jeans or britches or whatever you want to call it.
And they'd let us sit there and get some lint on it.
A ham sandwich.
Grangery is where you go to indict the ham sandwich.
A ham sandwich.
The ham sandwich.
A ham sandwich.
The ham sandwich.
So you carried around a gun to plan on suspects.
Yeah, of course.
A ham sandwich.
A ham sandwich.
Hey, this was uh underground culture.
They would carry around something, they call it a ham sandwich, and they would plant that ham sandwich at the scene of Officer Ball shootings.
