No Agenda - 1799 - "Taproot"

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1799 - "Taproot"

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	So they're bombing the public relations department.
	Adam Curry, John C. Devorah.
	It's Sunday, September 14th, 2025.
	This is your award-winning Kip on Asian Media Assassination Episode 1799.
	This is no agenda.
	We've got the magic number.
	And we're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA region number six.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from Northern Silicon Valley, where wait, wait, the uh roommate was a trance named Twigs.
	What?
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Craig Vladin Boskill.
	In the morning.
	Yeah.
	Uh uh.
	This whole thing smells bad, Mr. Dvorak.
	Well, I know a couple of things that are obvious.
	Fox.
	And I pick I had this clip from this morning I sent as a bonus clip.
	Okay, you gotta.
	They are avoiding this topic like the plague.
	Foxes?
	Yeah.
	I don't think it's gonna last long, but but Howard Kurtz's show, you know, his he does a kind of a clone on the media.
	He's like one of the media guys.
	He comes on once a week.
	Oh, okay.
	Does he do that on the weekend?
	I don't think we've ever seen him.
	Yeah, only weekends.
	Okay.
	It's like Sunday only.
	I don't even think he does a Saturday show.
	Okay.
	And so it kind of came up with a conversation.
	Man, they they it this is the clip TG.
	This uh they went so far, they just said they just dropped this like a hot potato.
	Nobody wants to talk about it at Fox.
	Uh Megan, do the media need to know this?
	Uh whether he the the report is that he was uh room with a transgender person, or is that just you know something to glom on to because then we can blame it on the other side.
	We uh I said earlier, you know, all Democrats are out for murder, that kind of like painting with a broad brush.
	I don't necessarily think we need to know the murder.
	I think he was mensally unstable, and I think he committed murder, which is horrendous and unnecessary on a basic level.
	But I think that we're always gonna find people who don't like our views, whether or not they're moderate, whether or not they're left, or whether or not they're too um to the right.
	I got a threat on Friday.
	I I'm a very moderate Democrat who comes on Fox, who comes on all the stations.
	And it's very moderate.
	I should not be getting threats in my social media, but we do.
	I'm sure you just got to understand literally on Friday.
	I'm sure you get them, and we all get them.
	I don't care what their motives are, they shouldn't be violent.
	We should it shouldn't matter.
	You should have the freedom to say what you want to say.
	That's end of story.
	That's our democracy.
	Yeah, this I think this is a part of something else.
	I believe that all of the networks on all sides of the same spectrum as they all are, really, have all gotten the message.
	We've got to calm it down because we're all somehow responsible for this.
	And you don't want to get fired because people are getting fired left and right.
	Right now, only left, but I think right is coming.
	And the media has gotten some message to tamp it all down and not blame it on a side.
	At least that's what it seems like to me.
	Well, you know, the funny thing out here, uh, it's kind of just completely disappear dissipated from the the whole thing is gone.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, I mean I'm I'm I'm looking at the at the quad screen, and Fox is talking to Mike Johnson for the past 48 hours.
	Uh Wow, that's gotta be high entertainment.
	Oh, it's I have I have a couple of clips from this morning.
	I mean, the guy's making the rounds.
	But but before we do that, uh everybody was waiting for Saturday.
	You know, we had the oh, you know, the the FBI, you got a press conference, 20 minutes late.
	We're looking at the empty stage.
	Well, we've got a we got the four-minute warning.
	We got the two-minute warning.
	Okay, it's coming.
	And then we got this.
	In 33 hours, we have made historic progress for Charlie.
	Wow.
	In less than 36 hours, 33 to be precise.
	You know, that is.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	There's one more.
	Yes, yeah.
	Let me play all three, just so you get it all in context.
	These are in linear fashion.
	In 33 hours, we have made historic progress for Charlie.
	In less than 36 hours.
	33 to be precise.
	Bad stuff happens.
	Um, and uh for 33 hours.
	Why the last time I was the laugh tell from the governor of Utah was the weirdest one.
	As he turns around and looks at Cash Patel and says, for uh bad stuff happens.
	Um, and uh for 33 hours.
	What is up with that?
	This was uh Tina comes in from the bathroom, she's like, what is going on?
	I'm like, well, for almost 18 years, we've been tracking this, and we can't now all of a sudden to no avail.
	Well, true, but it's always always something up with this.
	And what was the emphasis?
	You could have said in less than 48 hours, a little over 24, uh less than a day and a half.
	No, 33, 33, 33.
	This bugged me to no air.
	Well, actually, what do the best of the group was he said 36 and then he corrected it to 33.
	In less than 36, uh 33.
	To be exact, and which is bull crap, because we all know anyone who's ever worked for a living or done anything, you can't pinpoint you know, your your success at a certain number of exact hours to be exact.
	That's not even possible.
	No.
	So this was code.
	Of course it's code, and all of the stuff that's coming out and the information that's from sources.
	Because mind you, I don't think there's been an official FBI notice.
	Has it has this person even been officially charged yet?
	Because on Saturday, Cash Patel was very clear we have 36 hours to file charging documents.
	So this person hasn't even officially been charged, as far as I know.
	The whole thing stinks.
	We were at um there was a big benefit concert last night.
	Um for uh you know, for the flood victims.
	Trace Atkin before if you've never seen Trace Atkins, man, that guy's good.
	Um but the my buddy Mike, the the sheriff, he was uh you know, in charge of a lot of the security there.
	And he's and he came right up to me, said Adam.
	We, you know, I guess they may have some inside knowledge.
	I don't know if Gillespie County Sheriff's Office gets that or not.
	But he said two seems unlikely, but okay.
	Well, they they talk, you know, people talk, and so whatever talk there is, is I'm just passing it on.
	He says, one, no way.
	He says, no way this went down the way they're saying it.
	And then another thing which I found curious, he says, we've got a video with with audio of two shots.
	That I'm like, okay.
	Well, send he hasn't sent it to me yet, but I said, send it to me.
	I'd love to hear that.
	But it could also be it could be a good one.
	It could be a ricochet, it could be an echo, but no echo, actually.
	But but it's not like these guys don't know what that sounds like.
	So the whole thing was everything's off about it.
	And you know, it just you know, we've got the etchings on the casing, which we still have not seen.
	We've only heard about it.
	And we have where's the photo?
	Exactly.
	At least with the other guy, they showed us you know his video showing all the etchings and commentary, they showed it and put it online.
	Almost like that was predictive programming.
	You know, it's like, well, it'll be just like that.
	You saw it, you saw it with that other guy, so you know it's the same here.
	The whole thing is just uh Well, it's one of those things we can't do anything about except note it.
	Well, uh because we don't know.
	No, no, but it but it leaves it leaves so much open, and I think that's exactly the point.
	Yes, I mentioned that in the newsletter today uh yesterday, which is that this is good this could lead, especially if something happens to this character.
	Oh, yeah.
	Which how how they were screwed up how likely is that?
	Gee.
	I'd be stunned.
	Yeah.
	And so uh we'd be stuck with this kind of speculation forever.
	This is like uh a real uh time sink.
	What's interesting about this particular case is the amount of stories coming out about people getting fired for their response online.
	And I just I just pulled one story from uh Ohio, which actually has three stories in it.
	Just because you have a computer or phone handy doesn't mean you can say whatever you want.
	Monroe Falls City Council vice president John Empelezzeri is feeling the heat after post-criticizing Charlie Kirk, saying in part, quote, the world is a better place now that he's gone, end quote.
	And 19 News has confirmed a Cleveland firefighter and EMS staff member are under internal investigation after the city was made aware of social media activity.
	Cleveland attorney Danny Kieran says the First Amendment protections are not limitless.
	There's certain restrictions on the First Amendment.
	But as it concerns kids, teachers, whomever popping off council people popping off online, saying awful incendiary things, not real smart.
	Why?
	Because a lot of us have codes of conduct, the codes of ethics that control our work experiences.
	You may be surprised to learn it does not matter if you're a government employee or work for a private company.
	By the way, all the reports are similar to this.
	It's like they keep talking about this thing called free speech, which I'm not sure what that is.
	It's just, you know, what used to be called freedom of speech is now just free speech.
	Like you don't have to pay.
	It's like a podcast.
	It's free.
	You don't have to pay for it.
	It's free, free speech.
	And that this is they're kind of turning it into a debate about, you know, well, I have the right to say whatever I want to say.
	Which is is ludicrous.
	But what the reason this is interesting is these city council people, um, other officials, like in the fire department, people at schools.
	The reason they said this stuff is because they clearly thought everybody agrees.
	This is this is what's so eye-opening.
	Can you hear me?
	Yeah, can you not hear me?
	No, it was my fault.
	I you know, I this thing goes uh mutes itself.
	I was just gonna say in that list of people that you're talking about, you know who else got nailed?
	Who?
	George Conway.
	Oh, really?
	Interesting.
	George Conway posted a picture uh comparing Charlie Kirk to some Ugin Nazi from the 30s and had a picture of them side by side.
	And he's just getting blessed.
	And this is uh, you know, I every time I see this character who's just a lunatic, how did he ever hook up with Kellyanne Conway, who is a power, baby, political power.
	He had political power at the time.
	That's what it was.
	But but the understanding she was an idiot, but let's just go back to the to the point I'm trying to make here, is that they clearly thought it was okay to post this.
	Whatever, whatever the post was, you know, it w it varied from uh, you know, oh um, well, yeah, he said that uh some victims would have to fall for you know for defending the second amendment to good riddance, all these, but I I'm I'm convinced that these people truly believe that everybody around them had the same opinion.
	Well, wait, wait, you you had a thing about pre-programming earlier in your little commentary here.
	Yes, yes.
	How about Luigi?
	There you go.
	There's the pre-programming because everybody was all in love with Luigi, and then nobody got burned for it.
	Exactly.
	Ah, very good point.
	Very good point.
	Huh.
	Isn't that interesting?
	Well, and these guys are getting burned.
	Really, the Lib's a Tic Tac girl.
	Yeah, she has been posting one teacher after because she you know she really goes after teachers, one teacher after another, who have uh posted some nasty stuff and names the school and everything.
	Well, well, and she always finishes with the same line do you want this person teaching your children?
	Yeah, doesn't that prove the point that the entire education system believes that this was okay?
	This is okay.
	But everybody agrees.
	Hey, if you could come back and kill baby Hitler in a time machine, wouldn't you do it?
	Well, sure I would.
	Which brings me to the supercut.
	I've got a better one than the one we just kind of hastily patched together on uh on Thursday.
	This is primarily MSNBC.
	Primarily.
	But it's it's not just talking heads.
	It's, you know, the guests, it's it it's it's captains of Industry.
	Of course, Nancy Pelosi's in there as well.
	And when you listen to it in this context of just a supercut, you go, well, yeah, of course I would come back and kill Baby Hitler and Guring and Goebbels and every single one of the of the Hitler hugans, which well, listen.
	We have to start calling his supporters supporters racist as well.
	That MAGA uh had that MAGA symbol has come to represent something.
	It is the new Nazi symbol.
	It is the new uh could.
	Because they're not a party, right?
	They're Sinn Fein to the IRA, they're they're the PLO to Hamas.
	They're a dime store front for a terrorist movement.
	The Republican Party is basically a domestic terrorist cell at this point, and they should be treated as such.
	There are elements of the GOP that are starting to look like the jihadists.
	Not a political party.
	They're a white nationalist movement, they're a fascist threat to our nation.
	That's not hyperbolic.
	That's academic.
	Would have once seemed hyperbolic, but it increasingly does feel like the Republican Party has become a death cult, and it's all about Donald G. There is no alternative right now because the Republican Party project today is a fascist authoritarian project.
	Fact is Republicans in Congress are still in the grip of the ultra MAGA agenda.
	Party of dupes, uh party of knuckleheads, party of weirdos, party of freaks.
	So that that is a simple, simple message.
	And on underneath that, it's the party of nothing.
	It has become an authoritarian embracing cult.
	Uh it is fascist.
	We take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.
	And sadly, the domestic enemies to our voting system and our honoring our constitution.
	Uh are right at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue with their allies in the Congress of the United States.
	Trump's modern day Giscap Descapo is scooping folks up off the streets.
	They're in unmarked vans wearing masks, being shipped off to foreign torture dungeons.
	No chance to mount a defense, not even a chance to kiss a loved one goodbye, just grabbed up by masked agents, shoved into those vans.
	The old films of the Gestapo grabbing grabbing people off the streets of Poland, and you've compare them to those nondescript thugs who grabbed that that student, that graduated student.
	It does look like a Gestapo operation.
	Because if we just roll this clock on the wall back 75 years, we'd be looking at a time in Nazi Germany where people ran around with signs like this new ICE sign that says report all foreign invaders to ice, with Uncle Sam there holding up the sign.
	This could have been a Gestapo member 75 years ago.
	Report all Jews.
	...pult of authoritarian personality in league with autocrats and kleptocrats and dictators all over the world.
	They're taking direct aim at our democracy, autocratic leaning remarks he has made in recent weeks and months, such as ones that echo Hitler.
	Hitler in 1933 was talking about his designs on America.
	And Hitler described you could get Americans to give up their own democracy and to be ready for a fascist takeover.
	It's a disaster.
	We need extreme measures.
	Now, it's not that all the kids in the world are watching MSNBC, but you know every single teacher is.
	Because remember the liberal school teacher from Austin who we used to hang out with?
	We don't anymore.
	She watched MSNBC religiously.
	It was it was her church.
	So this is this is what's happening.
	Yeah, well, that's why they had to.
	That's why Brian Roberts, the CEO of Comcast who owns MSNBC, had to spin it off.
	Yes, he wanted out.
	By the way, I have uh uh the Fox actually, this this might have been the last moment that Fox News talked about the the trans uh part of this story.
	Uh Fox News Alert, FBI sources tell Fox News Digital.
	The man charged with assassin.
	Okay, so the FBI sources, FBI sources.
	Who do they call?
	Fox Digital.
	Really?
	That's who they call?
	Wouldn't they be calling Hannity?
	No, we're calling if hey boys, let's leak some information.
	Let's call Fox Digital.
	Yeah.
	Fox News Alert.
	F is a good one.
	I sources tell Fox News Digital that the man charged with assassinating Charlie Kirk was living with a transgender partner.
	Bureau officials confirmed that Tyler Robinson was in a romantic relationship with someone, Transitioning from male to female.
	They say that individual is fully cooperating with their investigation.
	Claims to have had no idea of Robinson's plans and is not currently accused of any criminal activity.
	No, thank you very much for that update.
	I know you have uh some anal questions.
	I think I I can predict the quote from that that uh trans woman.
	When she she he they I don't know what you know her pronoun is nobody told me.
	Uh the first thing she said was you did what it's ruined, it's gonna ruin that person's life, it's gonna ruin the family, the family of the kid.
	Luna is uh is the person's name, Luna.
	Luna was Twigs.
	Well, no, that's the online, I don't know.
	Who who cares?
	Well, who cares?
	Who knows?
	Luna Twigs.
	Yeah, Lance S. Twiggs, also known as Luna.
	And by the way, big mistake in this whole thing.
	Sorry to say it, but why doesn't uh Tyler Robinson have a middle name?
	This is not a good uh this is not a we're missing a middle name.
	Three, which means three names.
	Yeah, we gotta have the middle name.
	So something's up here.
	You want to just hear some of the morning shows uh since uh we got them from this morning.
	This is all the latest.
	Yeah, most of my stuff is the analysis clips.
	Yes, which is important.
	I want to know.
	We'll play those afterwards.
	Yeah, I want to hear the morning shows, I'm sure were gems.
	Here's ABC this week.
	This morning, the New York Times is reporting that in the hours after Charlie Kirk's murder, his alleged gunman Tyler Robinson was messaged in a group chat by an acquaintance jokingly questioning where he was, suggesting he resembled the man police were looking for.
	According to the Times, Robinson responded that his doppelganger was trying to get me in trouble while making other jokes about the manhunt, including saying he was actually Charlie Kirk.
	ABC News has not independently verified those messages.
	Authorities announcing the by the way, do you hear do you hear that insert?
	Hey, um, hey guys, um uh listen, uh you just said that.
	Uh we need to add a little disclaimer there that we haven't uh independently verified what the New York Times said, please, uh, because you never know, it could be bull crap.
	Including saying he was actually Charlie Kirk.
	ABC News has not independently verified those messages.
	Authorities announced it.
	Did you hear the insert?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You can hear it as a flip end.
	Uh the arrest of 22-year-old Tyler Robinson on Friday.
	Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
	We got him.
	But until his capture, the suspect had been an unknown man in grainy surveillance images.
	Images authorities say were recognized by the suspect's own father.
	Family member of Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend who contacted the Washington County Sheriff's Office with information that Robinson had confessed to them or implied that he had committed the incident.
	Authorities tell ABC News hundreds of investigators stitched the alleged gunman's path from the moment he drove onto campus at 8 29 a.m. on Wednesday.
	TMZ obtaining this video appearing to match the description of the shooter who police say appears to walk with a stiff right leg.
	Uh-huh.
	And that his ability to bend his right leg appears to be restricted.
	Law enforcement sources tell us investigators believe Robinson was hiding his long gun under his clothing.
	And at some point authorities say he changed into the outfit seen in photos released during the manhunt and climbed up a campus stairwell to a roof at about 1150 a.m.
	And then he's seen dressed in a black cap, sunglasses, and a black shirt emblazoned with an American flag and an eagle.
	Yeah, missing everywhere is uh him reassembling a gun that was either in his backpack or walking with a four-foot long rifle with his legs bent up the stairs.
	I mean they showed the FBI showed a picture, apparently it's an FBI picture, with the scope mounted in according to our experts, the wrong spot.
	It's just like the the whole thing, it's still the 33s, that that got me right away.
	I'm like, okay.
	And it's trying to do that.
	I didn't know I didn't get any clips of this, but I should have.
	There's a couple out there that are good.
	Uh Harvey's, you know, uh TMZ, I think is owned by Fox and Harvey was turned pale white and came out and did a thing because during the uh announcement uh of the uh death of Charlie Kirk.
	Cheers versus staff.
	And there this has been posted over and over again showing the exact timeline codes.
	I know.
	I'm telling you, the online sleuths are unbelievable.
	So they had the time codes, the things all synced up, and they obviously were cheering because the exact same moment that they had made this announcement.
	Harvey came on later in the show and said, Well, though it was because they were watching.
	Police chase.
	Police chase, yeah.
	And it was bull crap, and he was not.
	He was shook.
	He says we wouldn't have people working here that would do that.
	When in fact he's like a Trump hater.
	And so he's only gonna hire other people of like mind.
	And it's just it's it's pathetic.
	And as Charlie Kirk fired up the crowd, tossing hats, authorities say the suspect crouched and waited.
	At 1222 p.m., they say Robinson sprang, no longer limping, into position on the roof, then lay down in a sniper position about a hundred and seventy-five yards from the stage.
	One minute later, as Charlie Kirk was answering a question.
	Now listen to the edit on this.
	You think Fox didn't want to talk about the trans uh information?
	Uh listen to they added this one.
	One minute later, as Charlie Kirk was answering a question about gun violence, police say the suspect fired.
	Do you know how many massacres are in America over the last two years?
	Stay balancing or not counting gang violence.
	Great.
	They pulled out the whole trans shooter thing.
	Wow.
	Pulled it out.
	Pull it out.
	That is deceptive and not news.
	Now who is this again?
	This is ABC this week.
	From this morning.
	That is that is Disturbing.
	That they can't even present the I don't know.
	It's I'm I this is annoying.
	Let's listen to uh the man of the day, uh Mike Johnson appearing everywhere.
	Don't worry, Mike's Mike's okay though.
	The burdens of speakership are always manifold.
	You know that previous speakers I've covered know that.
	But they feel particularly heavy after the events of this week.
	I just want to ask you, Mr. Speaker, how are you doing?
	I'm doing okay, Major.
	Thanks for asking.
	No question, it was a difficult week.
	Um it's so hard for me.
	Uh for the country.
	Certainly.
	He had a cough tell too.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, let's see, we'll say that again.
	How are you doing?
	I'm doing okay, Major.
	Thanks for asking.
	It's no question, it was a difficult week uh for the country.
	Certainly it was felt on Capitol Hill.
	There's a mixture of, you know, anger and and sadness and fear, frankly, on the part of a lot of people.
	It cast a uh a large shadow across the country and the nation's capital.
	But what I do know, Major, is that my good friend Charlie would not want any of us to uh to be consumed by despair.
	He would want us to go forward boldly.
	That was his message, and to do it in love.
	And I think that I hope is the message that continues in the days ahead.
	Yeah, this is interesting.
	So we're getting well, actually, you'll hear it in the next uh in the next two clips that now all the politicians are very concerned for their safety.
	Mr. Speaker, you mentioned the word fear a moment ago.
	It is on the lips of members of Congress in ways I've never experienced before.
	They are talking openly, they already have canceled events.
	Other members are talking about whether or not it's proper and there are family conversations to seek re-election.
	This is uh that's a great way to honor Charlie to uh cower.
	That's a great way to do it.
	Cower and not show up in public.
	That is that honors Charlie Kirk's memory.
	Very good.
	How do you feel this particular space of anxiety for your membership?
	Republican and Democrats.
	Yeah, uh well, I've been talking with a lot of them over the last few days about that and and trying to uh calm the nerves to assure them that we will we will make certain that everyone has the level of security that's necessary, that the resources will be there for their residential security and their personal security.
	We're we're uh evaluating all the uh options for that.
	But I think if we all uh adopt these practices together and we turn down the rhetoric, we we uh you know, cease with this idea that you know uh policy disputes or somehow an existential threat to democracy or the republic.
	We stop calling one another names.
	I mean, calling people Nazis and fascists is not helpful.
	Look, there are some uh deranged people in society.
	And when they see leaders using that kind of language so often now, increasingly it spurs them on to action.
	We have to recognize that reality and address it appropriately.
	And I I'm I'm heartened to know, Major, and and to see that many of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle are stepping up and and saying that and and addressing it.
	I think this could be a turning point, uh, frankly, to use Charlie's uh term for the country.
	And I hope that's true.
	You know, I will tell you that if this is what I think it may be, which is part of a larger operation to sow discord in the United States, to get people to hate each other even more than they already did in our country.
	I would be looking more towards other very big conservative voices.
	That if if I were any of those big podcasters, that's who should be careful.
	Well, that's interesting you say that because uh Tim Poole was on Jesse Waters.
	Yeah, you got a clip.
	I had a clip.
	Did you have a clip?
	I should have got the clip.
	I didn't get I I have a lot of clips.
	But I can't get every clip that goes.
	No, no, no.
	You can just tell us what he said.
	I I, of course, did not see this, so what did he say?
	He said he has a contingent of bodyguards, and he's had him for uh quite a while.
	He went on and on about it.
	I mean, he was actually quite I should have recorded it now that I think about it, because Tim Poole was quite aerodite uh in discussing this.
	Uh-and it was it would be worth recording.
	But he did mention in the process that yes, he had he talked about the the security that Kirk had.
	He says he's got the same security.
	He's got he's because he's under a constant threat, I guess.
	Are is anybody care that much about Tim Poole that they're threatening?
	I'm not I'm thinking bigger than Tim Poole.
	I don't want to name names.
	I know, but I'm just saying it's it at the Tim Poole level you have this.
	I don't know who who bigger would be Joe Rogan.
	He's the only he's the biggest.
	No, you've got uh Megyn Kelly, Tucker Carlson, you've got Jimmy.
	Yeah, Tucker's up there.
	You've got you've got people up there.
	Yeah.
	If if this is what I think it is, we'll get to that much later.
	But first of all, we've got to blame it on something.
	We what?
	I I'm not uh I'm i in at camp.
	I don't see this as being anything more than it is.
	No, that's fine.
	That's fine.
	Uh I just have ideas, ideas and thoughts.
	But first we need to blame it on something.
	Go to take a close look.
	This is uh still CBS face the face the face the nation.
	Going to take a closer look at the problem of political violence in America, and we're joined now, I'm glad to say, by University of Chicago Professor Robert Pape.
	He's the founding director of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats.
	Now listen to this guy because his numbers are all over the place.
	Professor, it's great to have you with us.
	Thanks for joining us.
	What are the trend lines and what is the key terminology you want my audience to understand?
	We are now in a watershed moment for what I call the era of violent populism in America.
	This era is defined first and foremost by two factors.
	Trump and Trump.
	Number one, a rising tide of political violence on both the right and the left.
	Our center at the University of Chicago Project on Security and Threats.
	We have been conducting highly reliable national surveys on political violence, the support for political violence among Americans for over four years.
	So who is he to say out of the blue, highly reliable political surveys?
	Oh, it gets better.
	It gets much better.
	I mean, yeah, immediately that's to me, it's a red flag for a guy's full of shit.
	Of course.
	That's why he's on CBS.
	We have been conducting highly reliable national surveys on political viol the support for political violence among Americans for over four years.
	Uh we saw this in the summer of 2021.
	Our most recent survey in survey in May found higher levels of support for political violence on both the right and the left than we have ever seen.
	Okay, hold on.
	He's had this highly reliable information for four years.
	And now the information shows it's worse than we've ever seen.
	But he wasn't surveying anything before four years ago.
	No, and the evidence is just the opposite, too.
	I mean, I went through the 60s and 70s where you had You had unbelievable political violence.
	Besides, you know, starting it actually started with the death of can with the assassination of Kennedy, the assassination of RFK, then the assassination of uh Martin Luther King, who is a high highest order guy you can kill.
	There was Huey Newton was killed in Oakland.
	He there was a bunch of uh uh uh Larry Flint, the publisher of uh of Hustler magazine was shot and and uh crippled from George Wallace was shot in the night.
	Ronald Reagan.
	Ronald Reagan was shot, George Ford, Gerald Ford was shot or shot at twice, and you ended up with over a thousand bombings in the 70s, and and this is what we're seeing now.
	This stuff that's going on now is worse.
	Are you kidding me?
	Well, we can all blame it on one obvious thing.
	Does your research buttress the point that both Senator Langford and Senator Coons made, which is the internet is an accelerant and an amplifier.
	It's an accelerant, but it's not the root cause.
	Um studying this problem now for five years, uh, I've found that just as around the world, big social change is drives political violence.
	We see this in other countries around the world, and but the details of the change vary.
	We are now moving for the first time in our country's 250 year history.
	Okay, what are we moving towards?
	Come on, we've got to blame it on something.
	What can we blame it on?
	Well, we're moving toward in uh in our 250-year history.
	The first time in 250 year history.
	We're not uh to well from my perspective, we're moving toward nothing different, but I could see that somebody who's a lunatic that's been studying this four years, as you said earlier, then he suddenly says five years, which I find interesting contradiction.
	Uh probably fascism.
	Uh no, much simpler.
	Come on.
	Simpler, here we go.
	Oh no, no, here we go.
	From a white majority democracy to a white minority democracy.
	It's racism.
	In 1990, we were 76% non-Hispanic white.
	Today we're 57% non-Hispanic white.
	It will be another 10 years, maybe 15, if we deport a lot of those uh undocumented illegal immigrants before we make the transition to a truly white minority democracy.
	Well, this generational change has happened to start about 10 years ago where the real tipping point generation and corresponds with the rise of Donald Trump why his issue of immigration is meteoric.
	Why this morphed from immigration meaning stop people crossing the border to now deporting mass numbers of people because there are people on the right who want to stop or reverse this, and also the virulent reaction to Donald Trump on the left.
	This guy is an agent, parts of the left who want to keep this going.
	This is really the taproot, and that's why we need to respect this left to its own devices will get worse and be with us for 10 years.
	I've never I uh the term taproot is funny.
	It's uh it was uh No, that that's that that's not a term that's used in academia.
	That is a term that's used someplace else.
	That's a milieu term that's used someplaces.
	I don't know where we can probably find it so you know, if we do enough research, it could be an Intel term.
	We don't know.
	Well, uh the only other place I've ever heard taproot is it was a an addition to Bitcoin.
	Um about uh seven years ago that enabled the lightning network.
	And it was called Taproot.
	Uh why don't we ask the computer?
	Should we ask the computer?
	Oh, I think we she needs to yes, I think this is a great addition to the show.
	Except for the fact that there's a there's a lag.
	Well, I'm gonna try to By the way, this lag is not as bad that old lag you used to have with that other device.
	Oh, yeah, but well, that was when I was still using uh a lot of that was a that was terrible.
	Okay.
	Uh error.
	Uh what is um what is the origin of the term taproot?
	It comes from botany.
	Describing a plant's main route that digs deep like a taproot.
	While others branch out shallowly.
	First use in the 17th century, think tap as an espout or peg, implying something central and piercing down.
	Not related to modern taps like faucets, though.
	So it's a botanist.
	That's did suck.
	You did you I think it's the question was asked poorly.
	By the way, so JC was at dinner recently, and he who was very deeply involved in all this.
	He had he had told me the three there's three huge flaws that everybody in the business knows about AI.
	And one of them, which I thought was the I I don't remember the other two.
	I'll get them and write him up or something.
	You'll get him.
	We'll get him.
	We'll get to him.
	But but the one of them that it was the most fascinating to me is that they can't learn from the questions or the corrections you make to them.
	Oh, no, of course not.
	That would imply memory.
	They have their their corpus and they use that, and you say, no, no, you that's not true.
	Uh, you know, what you should know is that I'm actually to tell him to say about yourself.
	I'm actually the inventor of podcasts.
	Oh, yes, okay, you are.
	They'll say that back to you, but then it won't go back into the corpus.
	No, it they don't learn that.
	They'll have the same bogus answer later.
	It can't go into the corpus because that has to translate it into tokens, and that costs a lot of compute.
	It's massive compute.
	So there's no interaction whatsoever in a real sense.
	So taproots, though.
	Anyway, well, maybe one of our uh speak term.
	Oh, you what hold on, hold on.
	You can ask the question.
	Hold on.
	Ready, go.
	What is the use of the term taproot in the intelligence community or other social networks?
	Thank you.
	Whoa.
	Wow.
	Wow, we got nothing.
	It wouldn't answer it.
	Okay.
	Uh that that's odd.
	I don't know what to say.
	You want to try it again?
	Yeah.
	I'll try it with and I'll reword it a little bit.
	How is the word and or phrase taproot used in the intelligence community or other social networks?
	It's literally not registering you, John.
	Well, maybe it's not being fed to her properly.
	Well, let me see.
	How is the term taproot used in intelligence or other networks?
	Tapro it pops out in intelligence and network context, too.
	Borrowing from the plant idea, a hidden central root feeding everything else.
	In CyberOps, it's slang for a covert command hub and espionage nets, like a deep undetected node coordinating spies or malware.
	Some sources link it to blockchain privacy upgrades on Bitcoin.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Well, that's interesting.
	Yeah, so it's a so it is used in Intel, and that guy, and it's not I know it's not used in academia.
	Huh.
	So that guy is something else.
	He's something else, all right.
	Well, you spotted it.
	Yeah, like taproot.
	It's like because that's I've heard it in the context of Bitcoin.
	Okay, so what listen, now we have to listen to what exactly that guy said again.
	Hold on a second.
	Uh it was somewhere here.
	Let's listen.
	And that's one of the reasons why I ran in May found higher levels of support for political violence on both the right and the left than we have ever seen.
	And that's one of the reasons why I rang the alarm bell with that big op-ed in the New York Times.
	National surveys on political violence, the support for political violence among Americans for over four years.
	Uh we started this in the summer of 2021.
	No, sorry.
	It's number this this is the quit.
	Now I want to know.
	...change has happened, started about 10 years ago, with a real tipping point generation, and corresponds with the rise of Donald Trump.
	Why his issue of immigration is meteoric, why it's morphed from immigration meaning stop people crossing the border to now deporting mass numbers of people because there are people on the right who want to stop or reverse this, and also the virulent reaction to Donald Trump on the left, on parts of the left, who want to keep this going.
	This is really the tap root, and that's why we need to expect this left to its own devices.
	What do you make of that then in that context?
	I I don't know.
	It's just almost like code.
	Yeah.
	He's using it casually, which is a weird thing.
	Yeah, he's casually using it.
	Yeah, that's because in his milieu, it's a casual word that actually means a lot to that group.
	We don't know.
	We're not in that group, so we don't know what it means.
	He could just be a botanist for all we know in his spare time.
	He's a botanist.
	He's gardening.
	He's not a botanist, and he is he I and if he is intelligence of who whatever, whoever with, I mean, there's so many now who can tell.
	But it's it's how about this?
	That's a globalist opinion that needs to be rooted out of our intelligence community.
	There you go.
	All of them.
	There you go.
	Uh so I want to get to I have two more, and then we'll get to your analysis clips.
	This was a cute idea.
	I appreciated it.
	Uh everyone was tagging me, sharing this.
	I'm like, we need to just explain once again what this particular act was and how this is a misunderstanding of it to some degree.
	President Trump, as a supporter who voted for you three times, I am hoping and praying that you will revisit what Barack Obama and Joe Biden got rid of back in 2013, which is the Smith Munt Act, which held news corporations accountable for lying to the American people and spreading propaganda instead of truth.
	Okay, that's the problem.
	The Smith Munt Act did not hold news organizations accountable.
	The Smith Munt Act was specifically forbidding the American government from propagandizing its own people.
	And the biggest uh perpetrator of this was the Voice of America group, the uh broadcast board of governors, i.e., Tucker Carlson's dad's position back in the day.
	Um and the it got put in the the act was uh reformed, i.e.
	struck as a part of the National Defense Authorization Act, because we could no longer that the way the the the wording was is we can no longer propagandize the rest of the world if we're using the internet because invariably we're going to be propagandizing Americans.
	Now that doesn't in no way do they ever can it ever, should it ever stop news organizations from doing whatever they want to do.
	Right.
	On the sideline of that, I will say that uh looking at Operation Mockingbird, obviously, if you have government agents functioning inside your organization, which is where all this came from ultimately, because they were writing the stories, they were for CBS news, they were writing every they were writing the stories for Newsweek, etc.
	I think it was Newsweek.
	Um so obviously when you let on a whole bunch of these um ex-agents, ex-intelligence officer, ex-gen you know, generals, when you let them on the air and let them do their thing, uh obviously that's propaganda, but it's not really the news network.
	So, you know, and it's and it's honestly it's very un-American and unconstitutional for people to be calling to hold the news agencies to account.
	That's that's bull crap.
	And this whole thing was this little pitch by this girl, uh, went on and on and on about it would completely misleading, and and it was reposted by Trump himself, or at least whoever's that's what it is what you do, but it's a troll.
	But the point, but it is a bad, it is a miss, it's a misdirection if ever there was.
	It's bull crap.
	Yeah.
	So people got all excited.
	Yeah, man, you guys talked about Smith Munt.
	Yeah, this is what he's talking about.
	Then bring it back.
	But that's you can't.
	I know.
	It just kills me that it's so easy.
	But she does such, she's almost like a pro.
	Yeah, she's non-disc, you know, kind of nondescriptive, you know, plain Jane.
	And she's uh and she's presenting it as in some reason in a very reasonable fashion, and it's just BS.
	Yeah.
	I'll come back after your analysis clips with uh some Chris Kuhn stuff, but I just could not resist because they they did an emergency pod.
	We have to do an emergency pod right away.
	The emergency pod, everybody.
	Here we go with the liberal intellectual elites of pivot.
	Officials say Robinson made incriminating statements to relatives and sent Discord messages about retrieving a rifle from a drop point.
	Uh investigators also Say they found uh on messages, messages on the ammunition, the bullets include Who said investigators?
	No.
	You just heard sources, Kara Schwisher, great journalist that you claim to be.
	From a drop point, uh investigators also say they found no investigator has said anything.
	Great journalist that you are.
	A rifle from a drop point.
	Uh investigators also say they found uh on messages, messages on the ammunition, the bullets, including antifascist slogans and references to video games and online memes, and also an anti-gay uh remark.
	Uh Robinson is registered voter in Utah, but doesn't have a party affiliation.
	His family is seems to be Republican, uh Christian uh gun-oriented.
	Uh as many people in Utah are.
	Are you gun-oriented oriented where they own a gun shop?
	No, it's what's a new type of gender.
	I'm gun-oriented.
	Uh Scott, what are your initial thoughts when you heard about this suspect?
	Well, my initial thoughts are how disappointed Representative Mays, President Trump, and Jesse Waters might be that it's not a transgender uh woman with blue hair working on immigration for AOC.
	Yeah.
	That was your first thought.
	Exactly.
	They have all promised us in exchange for this needless death that they were going to declare war.
	And so my question is are they going to declare war on young white hetero?
	Has anyone did did Jesse Waters declare war.
	Did you just declare war?
	Well, they says that.
	In fact, the response I think is pretty well put by the guy who was the governor of uh Utah.
	It's everyone's calm.
	It's not like what happened with George Floyd.
	No, no, this is that they're gonna declare war.
	All promised us that in exchange for this needless death that they were going to declare war.
	And so my question is are they going to declare war on young white heterosexual men who come from Mormon families who traditionally have voted Republican or gun owners?
	So the notion somehow that they are trying to pin this on quote unquote the radical left.
	Yeah.
	Is just so insane.
	It's eminently clear this kid was online, deeply and unfortunately online.
	Deeply online.
	I would say.
	There are two fairly obvious common sense solutions that unfortunately cost a lot of money or diminish the shareholder value of key companies that are driving our entire economy and get in the way of the political narrative of special interest groups in charge right now.
	The first and most obvious solution is that Australia and the UK just don't have cultures that much different than us.
	The last time they had a mass shooting, they put in place sensible gun control.
	What do you know?
	No mass shootings.
	Since Charlie Kirk...
	You know what's amazing?
	Somehow Scott Galloway, who lives in the in London currently, and clearly knows what's going on in Australia.
	He doesn't see the knives, the machetes, the zombie knives.
	Are you kidding me now?
	Did you see the the girl who was slaughtered on the train?
	Was that a gun?
	No.
	Okay, mass shootings.
	Maybe that's what he's looking at.
	Mass shootings.
	Was murdered.
	More people have been shot and killed in the U.S. and will be shot and killed in the UK over the next year.
	He says we shot and killed.
	Are you shooting and killing people over there, Scott?
	Charlie Kirk was murdered.
	More people have been shot and killed in the U.S. and will be shot and killed in the UK over the next year.
	The UK will lose 30 people to gun violence in the next 12 months.
	We lose 120 people a day.
	That's a lot.
	They're numbers.
	If you want to take down political violence and all gun violence, you just have to have sensible gun reform.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that's it.
	That will do it.
	Sensible gun sensible gun reform.
	It's new, sensible.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	That's probably a new one.
	They're gonna you're gonna hear it again.
	Sensible gun control.
	Yeah, we'll put it in the book.
	All right, you got some analysis.
	Well, first let's start with just the NPR overview clip.
	This is Kirk Killer, NPR.
	Okay.
	The 22-year-old man accused of killing Charlie Kirk is being held without bail in Utah.
	And as Steve Flutterman reports, Kirk's widow made her first public comments hours after escorting his body home to Arizona from Utah.
	Erica Kirk blamed what she called evildoers for the death of her husband.
	The movement my husband built will not die.
	It won't.
	I refuse to let that happen.
	Since Tuesday's killing, there have been vitriolic debates in public and on social media between supporters and opponents of Charlie Kirk.
	The governor of Utah, Spencer Cox Friday, urged people to take a break from social media.
	The tone he said must calm down.
	This is our moment.
	Investigators are still trying to determine if some specific thing triggered Tyler Robinson, he will be formally charged next week.
	All right.
	So he will be charged.
	Okay, so now I've got two series here.
	The one is uh Robinson the Killer, and this I believe is from NPR, and this you'll start with Robinson the Killer Analysis NPR.
	The man accused of killing Charlie Kirk is being held without bail at a Utah jail today.
	Twenty-two-year-old Tyler Robinson allegedly fired the single shot from a high-powered rifle that on Wednesday killed the conservative activists and media personality known for his appeal to young people.
	Police arrested Robinson Thursday night.
	Steve Futterman joins us from outside the Utah County jail in Spring Fork, Utah.
	Hi, Steve.
	Hi there, Scott.
	So Robinson is being held where you are now.
	Officials said yesterday they don't believe anyone else was involved.
	Is that still the case?
	Yeah, yes.
	However, like any investigation, authorities want to go through things like Robinson's cell phone, any computers he used, and they want to speak with those who knew him.
	Now, yesterday officials said that Robinson had expressed negative views about Charlie Kirk, and one of those unused bullet casings had the words hey fascist catch written on it.
	But if the motive was political, like it appears to be to some officials want to know if there was something that pushed Robinson over the edge.
	Last night we heard from Charlie Kirk's widow.
	Tell us about that.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Erica Kirk spoke on a live stream for around 15 minutes.
	She spoke from Phoenix from the same studio that Kirk often used for his podcasts.
	Now at times her voice cracked.
	She dabbed her eyes on several occasions, but her main message seemed to be that Charlie Kirk's movement will continue.
	And Erica Kirk blamed what she called evildoers for the death of her husband.
	And as police try to figure out Tyler Robinson's motivations, people who knew him, people in his hometown are taking this all in.
	What are we hearing from them?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	He lived with his parents in the small southwest Utah town of Washington with a population of around 30,000.
	It's not far from the city of St. George.
	We have not heard, at least to this point, any neighbors describe him as odd or acting strange.
	People who knew him have told reporters Robinson wasn't necessarily part of the cool kids in high school, but he was well liked and a good student.
	Okay, a couple things.
	One now he lives with his parents, according to NPR.
	So that's and also then there's there been a disparaging comment, which we heard plenty of.
	Yes.
	And the second one, just on the sidrack, I watched uh Erica's um live stream.
	I think that if she oh man, I've we how many times have we seen it where you have a big movement and the leader gets taken out and the movement dies.
	And of course, I saw that in the Netherlands with Pimfortown, uh, when his party won posthumously as he was assassinated two weeks before the election in Holland, in Holland of all places.
	Uh and of course, the movement became just you know, without him, it fell apart.
	If Erica steps up, I think that I think turning point USA actually has a chance at continuing.
	She's she's got something there.
	She can really do this.
	Maybe, but you're you're de I I think your other example would which is more common, the thing just kind of slowly deteriorates.
	Because when you have a a charismatic leader that is out not only charismatic, but is a organizational genius, in my at least that's the way I see it.
	Uh, it's pretty tough.
	And and the problem with with Charlie Kirk is not what he was saying.
	The problem was people were listening.
	That's the problem.
	And to get people to listen to someone, the way they listen to Charlie Kirk, that's tough.
	That's gonna be tough.
	Yes, that charisma is a big piece of it.
	Melissa Tate, a neighbor of the Robinson family, told our colleagues at Member Station K U E R that she worries events like this are becoming more and more normal.
	This is everywhere.
	Every community, every town, every state.
	It's gonna be everybody's neighbor, everybody's classmate.
	It's not at all unusual anymore.
	And of course it was Robinson's father who initially confronted his son, telling them that he thought his son was the one being shown in pictures released by police.
	Now on the Utah Valley University.
	Do we even know that, by the way?
	That still is not.
	I mean, I've seen nothing official about this.
	And I haven't heard any comments, but if you recall the the early moments, it was like a minister.
	A minister had turned him in.
	Well, no, it was a friend of his.
	He was one of his buddies that talked to the minister who then talked to him.
	And then he was going to kill himself.
	And the minister talked him out of it and said, you got to turn yourself in.
	And then now somehow that completely disappeared from the narrative.
	Shown in pictures.
	To the dad.
	Yep.
	Released by police.
	Now on the Utah Valley University campus where Kirk was killed, there's a sense of relief today that someone has been arrested.
	But Raymond Lopez, a nursing student, says there are still plenty of concerns.
	My and a lot of our peers, our biggest fear is retaliation or something happening again.
	Class has been pushed off till Wednesday.
	Um I will say that I did sign the petition for him not to come because I thought he was going to incite violence.
	Um sadly, I think that is what happened.
	You know, I just had another thought because I I got tons of thoughts going through my head about this ever since the 33.
	I'm like, okay.
	Um how many times have we seen the FBI itself radicalize someone online for a year, two years, hyping them up, getting them ready, getting them bomb materials, etc.
	Perhaps just on an off chance.
	What if, you know, let's hype this kid out?
	He'll never he'll never hit.
	He'll never with that rifle, he'll never hit the mark.
	It'll just be a warning shot.
	And that could also be funny because there was some guy on one of the the uh shows that said this is because there was an argument going on between these people.
	Say there's a professional hit, which we kind of thought it was a professional hit.
	And the other guy says, there's no chance it was a professional hit.
	That guy was just a lucky shot.
	Well, show me the forensics, show me the cartridges with all these shows on them.
	They one woman that was an ex-intel person, she says, What's bothering her is they have yet did they ever find the bullet that hit Kirk?
	She says, No one's ever discussed the the bullet.
	No, where is it?
	No, it's it's it's a mess.
	This if this was it sounds like a typical botched FBI op, to be honest.
	It's like, oh, we left too many loose ends.
	I don't know.
	Well, there's a lot of loose ends in this.
	A lot of loose ends on this one.
	That's why I wonder if this guy's gonna live through this process.
	Well, he's in a small And they already dropped the bomb.
	You know, you again I'm gonna bring it back to pre-programming.
	In the early reporting that said that the minister had to come in because the kid wanted to kill him.
	Kill himself.
	Uh oh, yeah, you're right.
	Well, he's in a special holding cell where he can't kill himself.
	You know, like it's got cameras.
	No worries, no worries.
	No one can get in or out without us seeing it.
	No worries.
	It would be it would be a tidy way to end this whole thing.
	It would definitely m make it less messy.
	Yeah.
	I think it was a third clip here.
	So is it fair to say now at the Utah Unit campus?
	There's a growing memorial with flowers.
	And the next event we're waiting for is Tyler Robinson to be formally charged.
	That's expected on Tuesday.
	At that time, he will make his first court appearance.
	That is Steve Futterman in Spring Fork, Utah.
	Thank you so much.
	Okay.
	Does he have a lawyer?
	Where's the lawyer?
	Don't they don't we usually have a lawyer out there saying something?
	No.
	I haven't thought of that.
	No, okay.
	Now now we have a series of clips that are about this expert on polarization.
	And these are not necessarily they're they they stem from the shooting, but they're more kind of standalone interesting.
	And they're called polarization WTF, which means I thought they were interesting.
	That's John.
	That's John Speak for Wow, that's interesting.
	Yeah.
	Wow, that's that's fabulous.
	That's fabulous.
	Wow.
	That's fabulous.
	Yes, that's what it means.
	That's it.
	All right, here we go.
	Cynthia Miller Idris is the director of the Polarization and Extremism Research Innovation Lab at American University.
	Wow, hold on.
	This is where they make it up.
	The polarization research and innovation lab.
	Are they Are they they coming up with new ideas here?
	Yeah, this is on PBS and just ran yesterday.
	Wow.
	Cynthia Miller Idris is the director of the Polarization and Extremism Research Innovation Lab at American University.
	And she joins me now.
	Cynthia, looking at the pattern of violence in recent years, what fits into that pattern from this and what might be new?
	Well, we've been seeing rising political violence, rising hate-fueled violence for several years now.
	We're at a level that we haven't seen since the 1970s.
	And over the last couple of years in the US in particular, we've seen rising assassination attempts and assassinations as a tactic within that political extremism.
	And that's also been happening overseas.
	So, you know, I think it's um it was to be expected that political assassinations would continue if we weren't able to tamp down the rhetoric.
	To be expected to hear those words is really quite stunning.
	But you are the one doing the research, and you're talking about the rhetoric, which is a big part of the conversation right now.
	How much is rhetoric responsible for political violence and especially that moment where someone isn't just expressing anger as we see online everywhere, kind of a toxic culture online?
	How much does political rhetoric influence someone to move from saying words to doing something violent?
	Or does it?
	Yeah, I mean, the one one of the things we'd seen, and I said this a year ago after after Trump uh the first assassination attempt against um President Trump was that it was only a matter of time with the kind of rhetoric that we see that we were going to get to political assassination.
	So, you know, that's what I mean by expected.
	It sounds very cynical, but it was very predictable, you know, shocking but not surprising, is the way that that I think of it.
	Well, it's uh I just look this group up.
	I don't know if you had time to do that, but the polarization and extremism research and innovation lab is an acronym, Peril.
	Peril, Peril Research.com.
	Uh their initiatives include gendered violence, anti-Semitism, community advisory resource and education centers, i.e.
	care, uh, and VER, the violent extremism education and resilience.
	Let's look at some of their most recent uh articles.
	August 18th, it's been uh been a month.
	Meme coins and misogyny.
	What the dildo throwing trend at WMBA Games can teach us.
	Uh August 12th.
	Uh CDC shootings highlights risk of public health misinformation.
	Uh July 29th.
	Why manosphere content is appealing to some young men.
	My goodness.
	The the fact that these people have money are funded.
	Yeah, by the USAID.
	Yeah, they should have a podcast at minimum.
	And meme coins and misogynists.
	That'd be a great podcast.
	I'd probably listen to.
	Meme coins and misogyny, everybody.
	Yeah, meme coins and misogyny.
	That's that's that's a show tie.
	That's a classic.
	So the uh so the point is that now this person reminds me of the clips you played earlier, the of the taproot guy who comes out of you know, power into nowhere or nowhere.
	Yeah.
	But he's in a milieu and just let me ask you a question.
	Your PBS or your CBS, whatever.
	And the number one person you call is from Peril Research.
	That's number one on your call list.
	Is that I would like to know the mechanism for getting on these shows in this way.
	This is not a minor piece.
	This is a I I have four clips from it.
	And it went on for half the show.
	Wow.
	This is a major feature on the Saturday show.
	Yeah, it's uh it's a message, is what it is.
	So there is something going on with that, and the one you played, I think is the same thing.
	It was a messenger that was that was hooked in somehow through the booker, or there's you know, there's who knows how it how some of these things work.
	Uh I mean, I know how you get on these shows, you know, the book or producer, and you can get on the show, but the booker producer booker rhymes with, I'm telling you.
	So the booker producer, usually, you know, and you you make and the key, and you know this, and most people have ever done any hits on these different shows, knows that if you make friends with the booker producer, or or one of the lead producers, that's that's how you do it.
	You you're good to you're good to go.
	Yeah, that's why you've done four Rogans.
	Six, six Rogans.
	But uh but Rogan invites me personally.
	I don't the only the first time did it go through his booker.
	Yeah, well, once you you yeah, but you guys well, you hooked up with the real booker producer.
	No, he just called me out of the blue.
	No, that's what I'm saying.
	Yeah.
	He Rogan is the real booker producer.
	I'm sorry, yes, he's the real, but I don't say, hey, Joe, time for me to come on again.
	No, but you you talk to him and you try to keep in touch to the point where he remembers that you can come on at the drop of a hat, which is the great idea.
	Yes.
	Because somebody's got to be Tony Randall.
	Or Regis Philbin, that's me.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Two.
	Um when you have political rhetoric that consistently positions us versus them in existential terms, when people online are celebrating the assassination of a United Healthcare executive, for example, that kind of violence being valorized, not just seen as a last uh type of solution, but as a acceptable or even preferable one.
	That was an outstanding observation, John.
	No doubt because you saw this, it triggered your memory, but the fact that nobody got burned for celebrating that is telling.
	There was also some.
	By the way, by the way.
	I think her use of the word valorized is dynamite.
	Oh, yeah, that is good.
	Let's roll that back.
	Type of solution, but as an acceptable or even preferable one.
	There was also celebration online of this assassination.
	And at the same time, we also know there are some supporters of Charlie Kirk who are using more and more sort of warlike kind of talk.
	After a tragedy like this, there are all sorts of ways that people deal with the grief.
	But where do you think we are right now in the rhetoric about this event?
	I think we're at a really very risky moment.
	I will say that the elected officials' rhetoric, the uh bipartisan, mostly bipartisan condemnation of the violence and of of you know the idea that no one deserves to be shot, no matter how much you disagree with them.
	I think has been very clear.
	But among ordinary people, especially young people on social media, we have seen much more divisive rhetoric, both calling for civil war and celebrating the death of the killing of someone with whom people often vehemently disagreed.
	And so I think one of the things I've been urging people is to not just look to political leaders for solutions, but look across the dinner table.
	That's a moment to engage with dialogue and really try to walk back that rhetoric.
	Yeah, okay.
	At the dinner table.
	Okay.
	Hey, son, stop talking that way.
	Okay, gone with three.
	One thing I've noticed in the past few days is a rise in um conservatives doxing or publishing the personal information of people, individuals who are not remotely famous who may have, in some cases, celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk, as you said.
	That's something obviously deplorable to do.
	But some in some cases, maybe not gone that far, just offended some folks.
	We spoke to someone from Wired magazine who's covering this, talking about specifically this moment.
	I've spoken to multiple people this week who have had, you know, their employments terminated as a result of what they posted online.
	In some cases, they were celebrating Charlie Kirk's death.
	In other cases, it was much, much less than that.
	And they were just making points about divisive U.S. society.
	This has been not just about shaming people, but about affecting their lives.
	And in some cases, we know there's been death threats as well.
	I wonder what you make of this tactic, not just something a few people are doing, but people are collecting databases to do this now.
	Yeah, doxing is uh a very um dangerous tactic from we've seen it from the left and from the right.
	And what we've seen over the years is that often when someone is doxxed, their personal information linked, leaked.
	The uh there have been cases where people show up at the wrong address um where they used to live, let's say, and threaten a kind of innocent family who lives there.
	You're putting at risk family members, children, others who might live at that address.
	How about the people who actually are meant to be docs?
	That's not dangerous.
	Um, so you know, one of the things I would really urge people to do is is avoid that temptation, whatever the motivation to look for accountability.
	This is a moment to allow the rule of law to allow social media policies to uh to handle that.
	Social media policies.
	It's not social media policy.
	And by the way, no what's her name, Lisa Desjardin.
	She goes on, she's all upset about this, but she never has said jack about doxing, you know, the uh the ice guys.
	No, of course not.
	Or any police for that matter, who have to wear masks because these guys come up to the case.
	But again, again, what they're all missing is the fact that all of these people did it because they felt comfortable.
	They thought everybody is on everyone's on board, everyone agrees.
	Isn't this this is this is the the weak mindedness of certainly our educators.
	That, oh, I mean, everyone thinks this.
	I've told my children this, everyone knows this.
	All my colleagues, they all believe it.
	You're not gonna get an argument from me on that regard.
	But the fact that they're comfortable.
	Comfortable, yes, comfortable talking about some guy getting killed is pathetic.
	Well, they didn't they well, you know what?
	They didn't get in trouble with Luigi.
	That's that's part that may be part of the mechanism for all we know, John.
	Yeah, if it is pretty scheme.
	If that's true.
	It's very little outrageous.
	I it's hard for me to believe they're that good.
	But you know, it's always possible.
	Now, the last clip is the last clip.
	They convinced us we went to the moon.
	So, you know, it's like anything's possible.
	So you got two more clips here.
	You got two.
	You got Trump uh the Trump stuff now.
	Let's see, will it?
	Kirk Trump reaction and analysis is what I have.
	Uh that would be last thing.
	Let me look at these clips.
	The third was the last one.
	That was the last Robinson.
	That was the last one.
	Oh, right.
	No, there should be polarized.
	Oh, no, I'm dud.
	Yep, there is.
	And this is the first one.
	Now the reason I call it wait.
	I'm just gonna give a a heads up.
	So they go on and on, this goes on forever, and they this is how they finish it.
	And I'm what listening to this is, wait a minute.
	That you go through all you make us watch this crap for this period of time.
	I'm doing this, by the way, in advance of this clip, because you're gonna do it if I don't.
	This is a d they dud out on us.
	In the few seconds we have left here, uh, we've seen these moments in history before where we have assassination attempts happening over a decade or two decades, kind of thing before.
	But I wonder, you mentioned people need to talk to each other across the dinner table.
	What else can gets the country out of moments like this?
	Well, one of the things we really need is more serious and systematic investments in prevention, which is something that other countries have.
	We in this country tend to rely on after the fact increases in security, better barricades, better security, you know, detectors, and uh that's expensive and it requires a perfection every time.
	But you can also invest in helping people be less persuaded by propaganda online, less persuaded by manipulative efforts that say violence is the solution, and help people know how to recognize warning signs and know where to get more help.
	Cynthia Miller Idris, thank you so much for joining us.
	All the all that was missing was her saying, therefore, I recommend listening to the best podcast in the universe, the no agenda show, so you will not be radicalized that easily.
	You know, the f the funny irony to that last bit in the commentary is that the United States really can't afford to let people think for themselves that much because the entire advertising model for selling products requires it.
	Oh, our entire system.
	We've we've been through this system re yes, the entire system.
	I'm just thinking of advertising, but the system requires you be gullible.
	Well, not just be gullible, but be outraged, the constant state of outrage.
	That's how our media works, that's how our politics works, that's how our social media works, which is why people are getting all of you know, your algorithms are showing all the things that are gonna get you mad.
	And the Chinese model, which soon will go away whenever President Trump figures out how to make it American.
	Uh TikTok, you just get everything you want.
	There's no you know, Facebook does this.
	They all do this, like inject stuff, inject stuff, inject stuff.
	Keep you busy, keep you on there.
	And that's our that is ha that has always been our model.
	Yeah.
	So you get what you pay for.
	Which is nothing.
	Or junk.
	Yeah, Chinese junk, it turns out to be currently.
	Junk.
	Okay, so I got the yeah, right.
	Kirk Trump.
	I I forgot about these clips.
	This is another I don't know.
	I guess all my clips are analysis clips this this show.
	But Kirk Trump reaction.
	This is this is this is kind of funny because they're just doing they just do everything they can.
	It's Trump's fault, by the way.
	We're gonna take a few minutes now to look at how President Trump has handled all of this.
	At difficult moments for the nation, it's often the role of the president to deliver meaning, resoluteness, and calm.
	Think of George W. Bush in the immediate wake of 9-11 as one recent example.
	This week, in the hours immediately after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, President Trump took a different approach.
	He blamed his political opponents.
	Radical left political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken too many lives.
	Trump said his administration would be coming for people and organizations that contribute to political violence.
	NPR senior White House correspondent Tamara Keith joins us now.
	Hey Tam.
	Hi, Scott.
	You have covered Trump for a long time.
	This is unfortunately far from the first violent political act that he has had to respond to as president.
	So how does his handling here compare to the other times?
	Trump and members of his family were quite close to Charlie Kirk, so this attack was personal for Trump.
	And his response was immediately partisan.
	Compare that to what happened after the shooting at a congressional baseball team practice in 2017.
	In that case, Republican lawmakers were targeted by a man who had been a Bernie Sanders supporter.
	But in a scripted address, Trump took a very traditional approach and said the nation is strongest when we are unified.
	We may have our differences, but we do well in times like these to remember that everyone who serves in our nation's capital is here because, above all, they love our country.
	And Tam, we have to talk about a big factor here.
	The president himself was shot at last summer at that rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.
	Remind us of his rhetoric after that assassination attempt against him.
	Yeah, it was interesting because a lot of his supporters were really fast to blame left-wing rhetoric, but Trump was more restrained.
	Okay, what's interesting about this clip is there's a little modicum of truth in there where the president said he was going after those that finance it.
	Yes, yes, exactly.
	That's a little different than going after political opponents.
	Yes.
	But the the whole yes, but the beginning of the beginning of the clip is a is a fallacious argument and a false analogy.
	He starts off by saying, look at how Bush handled the 9-11 thing.
	What the 9-11 wasn't an attack by the Democrat Party or or common leftists that was attacked by a foreign entity.
	Or whatever.
	The cover story were gonna go with the company.
	We're gonna go with the cover story.
	Okay.
	So we're gonna go with that story.
	So Bush isn't about to go and start blaming the leftists.
	I mean, it's not gonna happen.
	And he says, compare that to Trump.
	That's not a comparison.
	What are you kidding me?
	So you start at the very beginning of the presentation with a fallacious analogy and you go from there, but meanwhile, it's just stuck in the person's brain.
	We have this here in other words, the preconceived conclusion is already planted if you don't catch it right away.
	This is like a pathological liar talking to you.
	If he if you if he gets you, the media, pathological liars, what?
	If he gets you early, then he'll start to reel you in, and that's exactly what happens with these these guys at NPR are do this all the time.
	And in that case, the ideology of the shooter who was killed by police is to this day still quite unclear.
	His list of potential targets included Democrats and Republicans.
	Like we said, unfortunately, a lot of examples to pick from.
	But I do want to ask about one recent example a lot of people have brought up this week, and that's the targeted attacks on Minnesota Democrats this past summer that killed former House Speaker Melissa Hortman.
	How did Trump respond this summer after those shootings?
	Hortman and her husband were murdered.
	Another Democratic Lawmaker was gravely injured.
	It was a targeted attack.
	Trump posted about the attack on social media saying such horrific violence will not be tolerated in the United States of America.
	But he didn't get into the partisan nature of the targeting, and he hasn't really mentioned it since.
	There was no conclusion on that as far as I think.
	It was no target, it wasn't partisan.
	No.
	No conclusion.
	No evidence of that.
	It was probably a yes.
	So this is again, so what they've done is they've already lied to you at the beginning with a false analogy.
	And then they're starting to reel you in, and then they destroy they start to drop phony bombs in the middle so they can make the point that Trump's a bad guy.
	Yeah.
	He is.
	I mean, is it fair to say that he just downplays it when violence comes from the political right?
	Yeah, let me give you another example.
	Please.
	In 2018, a Trump supporter who sent explosives to Democrats and also CNN was taken into custody.
	President Trump responded by praising law enforcement and criticizing the media for mentioning the suspect's political affiliation.
	He said the media was using the sinister actions of one individual to score political points against him and Republicans.
	Yet when a Bernie Sanders supporter tried to murder congressional Republicans and severely wounded a great man named Steve Scalise and others, we did not use that heinous attempt at mass murder for political gain because that would have been wrong.
	So in 2018, he was saying a partisan response to a terrible crime would be wrong.
	But in this case, with the murder of Charlie Kirk, Trump is quite firmly sticking to his view that Democrats and harsh rhetoric on the left are to blame.
	You say quite firmly, is it fair to say he has not softened his rhetoric since the alleged assailant was taken into custody?
	Right.
	He was on Fox and Friends yesterday, and Ainsley Earhart gave him an opportunity to offer a unifying message.
	How do we fix this country?
	How do we come back together?
	I'll tell you something that's going to get me in trouble, but I couldn't care less.
	The radicals on the right, oftentimes a radical because they don't want to see crime.
	They don't want to see crime.
	So take that and then compare it to the way he describes the other side.
	The radicals on the left are the problem.
	And they're vicious and they're horrible and they're politically savvy.
	And in this way, Trump is like so many others in this polarized country who think their side is essentially fine and it's the other side that's evil.
	The difference, of course, though, is that he's the president of the United States.
	He has all the power.
	I want to take this for me to a conclusion.
	Cause we need to end this at some point.
	We can just go on forever about this.
	And this you'll roll your eyes, but that's okay because you're used to it by now.
	Almost 18 years.
	That's right.
	Um so when President Trump talks about those financing this.
	And we talked about this the other day, and and you put the blame on people like Soros as an as an example, the Open Society Foundation, which clearly is one of his financial uh motives is to destabilize a currency, a country, anything to hedge.
	He's a hedge fund guy.
	And that's so it may not even be that um, he's one of the greatest currency traders in the world history of investing.
	And he may not even be doing it that much for uh ideological reasons more than financial.
	I mean, that's possible.
	We don't really know much about him other than he's kind of creepy.
	And it was there was this one brief in kind of the fog of post this assassination when uh and the clip is not widely distributed.
	I was able to find it, you know, it's like on places where you know you have that uh this is a media where they have like uh an audio watermark, so I was able to find a version of it without that.
	It's only 50 seconds.
	I found it without that.
	This was Hannity, which if it was just Hannity, I've been like, okay, whatever.
	Uh but it was also John Solomon.
	And John Solomon, I think he's pretty good with his investigative sourcing, because this is all sources.
	And this came out, and I haven't heard about it since.
	I have a source in the intelligence community, John, that said that there might be post-assassination pieces of a puzzle that might be put together, that there might be a foreign component to it.
	Again, we don't know for sure.
	I know it's being discussed.
	Uh Have you heard the same thing?
	Yes, there is a group or two of interest that are in the Salt Lake City area that they're looking at just because of certain recent activities overseas and certain intelligence shared by a foreign friendly from the United States doesn't necessarily mean that it is connected to the shooting.
	I suspect though it's going to result in some action, even if it's not resulted, uh not uh tied to the shooting, but there is a small foreign component that's being looked at again.
	All leads are open.
	I don't think they've locked into a final theory of the case then.
	Just thought it was interesting, like, huh?
	Okay.
	Now immediate.
	Yeah, I actually saw that.
	Yeah.
	What was your thought?
	My thought was that they this you know they're trying they're trying as hard as they can to blame Israel.
	And this is kind of a roundabout way of doing it.
	And it and I say that because that meme is floating around.
	Uh I think it's silly, but it's floating around, and it even came to the dinner table because JC and Jesse both had some thoughts on this that it involved Israel.
	And and he also had a couple other memes that he picked up on, and one of my favorites, which I observed too, even though thinking about it, I realize it's not really possible to tell.
	But when uh the kid jumped off the roof and landed like a paratrooper, beautifully, by the way, from two-story building.
	I can't jump off two-story buildings.
	Not anymore.
	Back in the heyday, you could.
	I'm not absolutely sure I could ever.
	But uh he jumps off the building, lands perfectly, and then runs.
	He said, Where's the gun?
	Where's the gun?
	Because he supposedly ran into the gun.
	Yeah.
	But you couldn't see the gun.
	But but that video was enhanced, and enhancement can easily take the gun out of the picture.
	He could have been running with a gun for all we know.
	So I so I'm not I I like the idea that people have all observed is where's the gun, where's the gun?
	Because he's running like a maniac that at high speeds after jumping off the building, and there's no gun that he went to with a towel around it that he ditched.
	Um that is suspicious, but at the same time that we when you do video enhancing, it's easy wipes stuff out.
	I mean, I can, you know, you you've done it.
	Yeah, but you're you're you're floating away from the topic.
	The the topic was a foreign entity.
	Well, yeah, I'm just saying that that came up at the conversation, but they also they would they were thinking Israel.
	And it was like, okay, I know where'd you get I don't know where this source oh it's it's around.
	And and it's around, yeah, it's around.
	Well, because people hate Israel.
	Well, and the reason the younger generation actually Charlie Kirk had a round table on this, which I listened to.
	I w I won't play the clips.
	But he had a round table, he was asking them, and the what it came down to was um we're pissed off because we can't afford our rent, yet we're sending money to Israel.
	The fire is here.
	Why are you trying to put fires out there?
	And that's an under although that's a misunderstanding of appropriation of money because it's very little compared to you know other things the U.S. government spends its money on.
	But the secondary part was interesting, um, where they said, well, if people are gonna call me an anti-Semite for saying that for being upset with sending must money supporting Israel with you know whatever they Israel does with the money, which you know is killing uh Palestinians, uh bombing Qatar, etc.
	Maybe drawing us into wars.
	Then what these what the Gen Zers are saying is, and Charlie Kirk agreed with them because he's you know almost of that, a little bit older, but he's close that generation.
	He said, Well, you know, if I'm gonna be accused of the crime, I might as well do it.
	But that's not where I'm going with this.
	I certainly kept that open on Thursday, like, well, could this have been some retaliation?
	By the way, Israel is not the same as the government of Israel in my mind.
	Uh B. Netanyahu has a lot of issues.
	But it was and this is something that Mo tried to explain to me, and I understood theoretically what he was talking about.
	And for a hundred episodes of Mo Facts with Adam Curry, he talked about the white supremacy.
	And he was always taking It back to Europe to the European families, and that was it was not a color, it was a system.
	And someone sent me this video of these two women.
	They're older.
	When I say older, I'm 61.
	I'm like, man, I hope I don't look like that when I'm 65, but they're probably in their mid-60s.
	This is one of the Susan Kokinda.
	And they have this group called the Prometheus, what is it called?
	Um Prometheus Action.
	And as I was listening, it kind of dawned on me like let's just say this was an operation to destabilize America, destabilize possibly the president's agenda, which I think it actually will have the ad adverse effect.
	I think the enemy always overplays his hand.
	Um but if there has been a destabilizing factor throughout really certainly the last 10 years, but maybe forever in the existence of our country, these ladies are very um very articulate, and I have two short clips, both a minute each, just to introduce this to you, and I'm going to be staying on this.
	This is going to be my new um is gonna be a new theorem for me to stick with.
	What if I told you that Donald Trump's biggest enemies are not the Obama, Clinton, Biden networks, whose heads are on the line in the Russia Gate revelations, or even the deep state, but it's the European monarchies who have never stopped their war against the American Republic.
	Most people think that this is just politics, Republicans versus Democrats, or maybe America versus the globalists.
	You see the daily battles over Ukraine funding, Fed policy, or the environmental regulations as separate issues.
	Even Trump's supporters often miss the big picture, focusing on individual bad actors or policy disputes.
	But what we're fighting is a system, properly named the Anglo-Dutch system.
	And what we're witnessing is unprecedented.
	An American president waging direct war against the very Anglo-Dutch system that we fought the American Revolution against.
	Trump isn't just fighting globalists.
	He's taking on the European monarchy and oligarchy, led by the British monarchy and its Dutch and European partners.
	This is what's been bleeding America dry through its central banking system, its environmental death cult, and its endless imperial wars.
	I'm Susan Kokinda, and I've been tracking this imperial system for over five decades.
	I've documented how these same royal families created the Federal Reserve, launched the environmental movement, and started every major war.
	So she had my attention.
	Since you're Dutch and lived in England.
	Yes.
	I'm like, huh, okay.
	Uh continue, please.
	Today I'm exposing three fronts in Trump's war against the European oligarchies.
	First, how King Charles and the Dutch are desperately keeping Ukraine burning.
	Second, how Trump's economic policies are dismantling their centuries-old ideology of environmental destruction.
	And third, how his Fed battle strikes at the very heart of the financial empire that's ruled the United States since 1913.
	So why is the Ukraine war continuing when Trump has a clear mandate to end it and he wants to end the killing because of the empire's stranglehold over Europe?
	So look at this.
	The very first European country to pony up almost 600 million dollars in arms purchases from the United States to keep the Ukraine conflict going is the Netherlands.
	600 million.
	That's a small country.
	This is the Netherlands, as in the Dutch half of the Anglo-Dutch imperial system.
	And the other European countries that immediately jumped in, Norway, Sweden, and Denmark.
	Notice something?
	They're all monarchies.
	You can use your favorite AI to look at the ties between these royal families and the British monarchy.
	So I don't need to use AI because I I know the history of uh of the monarchies.
	And as I'm thinking about this, I'm like, where did Trump's Russia problems really stem from?
	The Steele report, Christopher Steele, former MI6 agent.
	We have British journalists showing up on our news all the time because is that just because they sound authoritative?
	Um Robert Maxwell, very interesting if you tie that into Gilly Maxwell.
	Yes, he was an agent, they say, for Mossad, but he was also an MI6 agent.
	This was the big thing, is that he was a double Agent.
	Soros started his career with banks as part of the City of London, the big banks uh ING group, Dutch, HSBC Holdings, operating from British colonial Hong Kong, Barclays, JP Morgan Chase, now mainly primarily American, but it has Anglo Roots.
	Rutgers University, Columbia University, Hofstra, Harvard, Cambridge, Yale, Pharmaceuticals, Glaxo, Viatris, AstraZeneca, Media and Publishing, Reed Elsevier, now it's the Relics Group, Thompson Reuters, where most of our news comes from is you know regurgitated from Reuters.
	Pearson, publishing giant in education, Energy, Shell, BP, retail consumer goods for advertising, A-hold, Dutch, big uh big corporation, Unilever, Dutch, U.S., uh Dutch, uh, British.
	Um, ASML, big part of our of our uh chip manufacturing.
	I just had never really considered, particularly seeing now what the EU is doing and how badly they want war and what President Trump, if you look at it in that light, and he says, I'm going after the people that are funding all of this stuff, it put my head in a different space, and I'm I can't make any conclusions.
	Um I don't know if you're rolling your eyes, but I'm like, you know, there's something to this, and I'm gonna I'm gonna go down this rabbit hole for a while.
	Ladies and gentlemen, I'm pleased to punch that.
	Adam is back to his crackpot status, which will improve the show to no end.
	People have always bitched and moaned about this, and now it's back.
	Well, I can't just do it on demand.
	I like it.
	But hey, I I'm not rolling my eyes at all.
	I think it's a it's great.
	Well, thank you.
	Kind of unexpected, but um the thing, the thing that got me was Christopher Steele.
	That that report, that's what started it.
	No, it's a con it's a confluence of a whole bunch of things that Christopher Steele is a trigger.
	But that those women, uh, and when she says she's been doing this for 50 years, I believe she probably has been, and she's probably so deep, deep down in the hole that uh that should provide some very entertaining segments for the show.
	Yes, well, you're going to get them for sure.
	Uh yeah, this is great.
	Look at this.
	This is what just what we needed for second half of the show.
	Well, I'm not going to put it in second.
	Look at look at the the first big um casualty of Epstein information being released.
	UK ambassador to the U.S., Mandelson, one week before President Trump is scheduled to go over there and have some kind of meeting.
	It's very possible.
	You know, it's his background is Scottish.
	We've actually had clips on this show that indicate that the British in particular, I never thought of the Dutch as part of it, but okay.
	The Dutch are one of the largest are one of the largest investors in the United States.
	But the British in particular have always been trying to run games on us.
	They hate us.
	They never they never got over it.
	They hate us.
	They never got over it.
	Now they've never gotten over the fact that uh in fact, if you read, I've always noticed this, uh, because I'm a book collector, among other things.
	And uh so I have a lot of history books that were written between uh 1860 and 1910.
	Uh, there's a lot of history books written in there.
	And the and the the after World War One, these books all changed.
	But before World War One, and then these history books you can read, you can find find any old history book and started reading about the British, and the hatred and vitriol that is expressed in these history books is unbelievable.
	They it was just we hated them and hated them and hated them until they suckered us into World War One, and then all of a sudden the propaganda machine got into play.
	We had the Bernays phenomenon, we've got a burning public relations.
	All this came into play.
	Bertrand Russell.
	And the next thing you know, right, Bertrand, who is British, and the next thing you know, we're bigger.
	Anglophiles after hating and hating and hating on them for over a hundred years.
	Who brought us the slaves?
	The Dutch.
	They transported.
	Who waged war on China with the opium wars?
	Yeah, and we're paying the penalty for that.
	And who has an opioid problem right now?
	Where are these precursors made?
	Could that be one of the big pharmaceuticals?
	There's a lot of open questions.
	Well, you just it is my new beat.
	And the other thing.
	So get off Fox.
	There was oh no, I'm I'm you're the you're the Fox guy.
	I'm not really on Fox.
	Um it was uh when when uh Putin and G and Modi, they all got together, and it wasn't really played up much, but there was from what I understand, there was talk about uh building energy projects in Russia with uh what's our Westinghouse,
	which doesn't seem like you're anti-American if you want to build an energy product uh project in Russia with Westinghouse, but that it was um oh, is the finance minister?
	I I haven't looked, I haven't been able to find it yet, but he posted two pictures, like meme pictures, like AI gener, like no agenda art generator stuff.
	And one was with you know, like the the the panda bear and uh the Russian bear, and what do you have for what is India's symbol?
	What kind of animal do they have?
	It's a good question.
	I forget what it is.
	Someone in the chat wouldn't report.
	And so they had those three, and then one underneath it, adding the United States and had the U.S. flag, and it was which one would you prefer?
	And I'm just thinking, you know how Trump really wants to do business with Russia.
	President Putin, I got a great relationship with him.
	President G, I got a great great relationship with him.
	Uh Modi, good guy.
	Okay.
	He's impressed with Modi in a different way because if you recall during his first term, he went to a rally.
	Yeah, the b the big rally in the in the stadium.
	Oh, yeah, and it made it made Trump's rallies look like small potatoes, and Trump had these massive rallies compared to everybody else.
	Yes, he loved it.
	He loved it.
	And he was so impressed with it.
	Wow, how do you do this?
	Hundreds of thousands of people in this massive stadium.
	So just for a moment, I'm just imagining what if President Trump is completely savvy to this, he's known this from the get-go, and this would be the 5D chess that everyone talks about.
	And he's like, how do we bring down because remember, it's Swift is not run by the Federal Reserve.
	Swift is run out of Brussels.
	Uh the you know, the Bank of the Um the City of London, they're the ones that screwed up the dollar with the trade that kind of you know that necessitated all kinds of changes to the financial systems, the forex trade, you know, especially the LIBOR scandal.
	LIBOR scandal, which screwed up our interest rates, all of these things all came out of the Anglo-Dutch monarchy organizations.
	I gotta come up with a better acronym than these ladies have.
	The Anglo-Dutch system is no good.
	Yeah, it sucks.
	It's like you know, the the limey go to head system.
	Whatever, we'll come up with something.
	I'm working on it.
	But what if he really wants to team up with India, China, Russia, and bring those Brits down with then those and those uh flatlanders for once and for all.
	Well, you always get the impression, uh especially during uh when Trump was out and Biden was in and even before Trump that Putin has been aware of something like this.
	Yeah.
	Because he acts like it.
	And he always he was blaming for good, he says, you know, the people are getting suckered into this and that and the other thing.
	And it's possible that Putin is clued in.
	I mean, I'm uh it's just it's perfect for the show.
	Let me just put it that way.
	It has a lot of uh legs, uh, it's a bottomless pit.
	Four more years.
	50 years.
	And so um, yeah, I I'm I'm totally uh a subscriber to these sorts of things.
	And so if you're talking about just to briefly bring it back to Charlie Kirk, if you're talking about some kind of professional hit with a patsy that is meant to destabilize America's youth, our political system, get when when you have people fighting each other, that's that's how you conquer them.
	It's obvious.
	And the fact that the president said, I'm going after the people who finance it.
	That's I'm like, okay.
	And that's clearly the Soros clearly is from the UK banking system.
	And by the way, these people don't care about the Brits either.
	They do not care.
	They just care about the Empire.
	And you know, we've been watching, we watched the Gilded Age.
	Um, uh, where all of the, you know, it's actually a lot of the Dutch were in New York early, you know, the the New Amsterdam.
	New Amsterdam, the Driessmans.
	Um, this is the early rise of JP Morgan, and of course, after that, we went back and were watching Downton Abbey, which is actually quite enjoyable, mainly from the historical perspective.
	And you just see, like, yeah, man, I can't believe these Brits we kicked their butt and that was it.
	That the pride went away.
	I don't believe it for a second.
	Not from not from these families and the monarchies and how everyone's connected and inbred.
	And it's only 250 years ago.
	That's not very long.
	Amsterdam was the center of they invented the stock exchange.
	They invented the whole concept.
	They invented uh the Ponzi scheme or the I'm sorry, Tulip Mania.
	Ponzi scheme, I think was invented in Italy.
	Yeah, the bubble.
	They invented the it the bubble.
	So all of these things, if you go back and we we never we're never taught this in school.
	We never go back far enough into history to even think about these things.
	Merica, yeah, 770.
	Because it's to kids, uh world history is boring, and but it but my experience with history uh and people who teach it, it's not boring in the least.
	It's the teachers who are boring.
	Yes.
	So this kind of fits in with this latest uh this latest move by the president against the NATO allies.
	US President Donald Trump on Saturday called on NATO allies to stop buying Russian oil while also threatening China with massive tariffs.
	For its own purchases of Russian petroleum.
	Zelensky didn't.
	In a social media post, Trump called the oil buying by some NATO members shocking, saying it greatly weakens the alliance's negotiating position.
	Russian Federation, while attacking his comments come just days after Russian drones violated Polish airspace, prompting NATO to launch a new Eastern Century deterrorist program.
	The remarks also followed last month's summit in Alaska between Trump and Vladimir Putin, which failed to achieve a breakthrough on ending the war.
	Several NATO members, including Turkey, Hungary, and Slovakia continue to be major buyers of Russian oil after the invasion of Ukraine.
	Trump also repeated this claim that the conflict is Biden's and Zelensky's war and would not have occurred if he hadn't been prisoned when it began in early 2022.
	So President Trump is saying, Yeah, sure, I'll uh I'll do sanctions.
	You guys stop buying their oil, which would cripple them, because that we all know that they're buying Russian oil.
	It would cripple them.
	So this seems like a like a slight by the way.
	That's a pretty good trick.
	By the way, I was just thinking, wouldn't it be so typical for the and when I say Anglo-Dutch, I'm not talking about the Dutch people or the or the British people.
	I'm talking about the Anglo-Dutch system.
	To get everyone to blame it all on the Jews, you can just see them laughing about that.
	Man, that we got them to blame the Jews for it.
	Yes, exactly.
	And the Rothschilds are involved.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Wouldn't it be fantastic?
	Uh here's some.
	Yeah, I don't think they're gonna do that.
	Well, no, they're not but it's happening.
	It's happening.
	They're just I I think that's a I don't know what what's going on there.
	I think there's an explanation.
	Well, here isn't they're blaming the Jews.
	I think they're really out.
	There's something about Netanyahu that you have to deal with, and they don't like him.
	Or there's that too.
	He's not a player, probably.
	Uh, here is uh a little uh two short clip breakdown from my boy, Andrew Rasoulis on uh on uh Trump's uh message here that is uh hey, you stop buying your oil, then uh we'll put some sanctions on.
	Joining us now is Andrew Rasulis, retired official of the Department of National Defense.
	Mr. Razulis, welcome.
	What do you make of Trump's calls today on NATO allies?
	Do you think it could make any difference on Russia's stance at this point?
	Well, I don't think it'll even get there because it's a very weak uh statement.
	It carries a very large if.
	And the if is all European countries stop importing Russian oil.
	Now that means chiefly Hungary, Slovakia, and Turkey, which import mass amounts of Russian oil.
	Their economies are dependent on cheap Russian oil.
	To now expect that they will do Trump's bidding and stop with the sort of underlying understanding that the Americans will then put some undefined sanctions on top of all the other sanctions they put on Russia and somehow bring the war to an end.
	I think this is uh a very illusory um uh statement by the president.
	I don't think there's much to it.
	Yeah, well, uh because it's a troll, basically.
	And uh, of course, we don't want to know how this might affect China if it does at all.
	What about China, who he directly called out?
	What sort of impact could tariffs have there?
	Well, exactly.
	The I mean, he took he did on India, all right?
	He did on India, and it had no effect.
	The Indians have said, forget it, we're gonna continue to buy Russian oil despite the tariffs imposed on them by the United States on China.
	It's a very different uh degree.
	Uh the Chinese um uh import the most of Russian oil, and the uh the the Americans depend very much on Chinese trade uh bilaterally.
	So if they impose tariffs on China or for goods entering the United States, this will have a significant impact on the American economy and American consumers.
	So Trump has never actually followed through on this.
	He's been saying that this is this has been going for weeks now, but he's pulled back.
	So, because that is impractical.
	So basically that the um there are very strict limits as to what the United States and Europeans or Canadians can do to actually affect the Russian economy.
	Yeah, he doesn't actually want to.
	Now, through this new lens, man doesn't want to do that.
	We want to screw those guys over there.
	And I think if you were to flip the bricks on its head and make it the A-bricks...
	America, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa.
	We'll just add them in there.
	Which I mean, hey boys, guess what?
	We're all gonna use this stable coin over here.
	Screw those Europeans with their digital euro.
	Cue Lagarde.
	One year on from the release of Mario Draghi's report on the future of European competitiveness.
	It remains essential to follow up on its recommendations with further concrete action and to accelerate implementation in line with the European Commission's roadmap.
	Governments should prioritize growth enhancing structural reforms and strategic investment, while ensuring sustainable public finance.
	It is critical to complete the savings and investment union and the banking union to an ambitious timetable, and to rapidly establish the legislative framework for the potential introduction of our digital Europe.
	Too little too late, baby.
	You can't catch up.
	Stable coin is here.
	It's much more fun to look at the world this way.
	No wonder people want to leave Britain.
	You saw the protest?
	I have a clip.
	Okay, let me see.
	Uh London.
	Huge protest.
	Easy to find.
	A far-right protest turned violent in London today.
	Vicky Barker has this report from the British Capitol.
	Chanting anti-immigrant slogans and waving flags, though marchers, more than a hundred thousand police estimate, filled the streets of central London.
	And they heard the anti-immigrant, anti-Islam activist Tommy Robinson tell them to savor the moment to feel their strength.
	You are part of a total wave of patriotism that is sweeping across this country.
	Britain, he said, has finally awoken.
	A few thousand counter-demonstrators from the group Stand Up to Racism held their rally a few hundred yards away.
	It was like a hundred thousand versus it looked like a thousand.
	Yeah, that's what they said in the report.
	A hundred thousand, and then of course why even mention the other group is only, you know, one one hundredth.
	Uh you guys are racist.
	Yeah.
	Who had the professionally printed signs?
	The smaller group, of course.
	But meanwhile, some of this pressure may be having an effect, and this is why this is why a war economy is needed.
	This is why we're going to well, we'll get into uh Eastern Century.
	Uh France is teetering.
	France's sovereign credit score is at its lowest level on record.
	Previously rated AA minus, the country has been downgraded by one notch to A plus by credit rating agency Fitch.
	The agency explains this is a consequence of continuing political instability.
	They say the government's defeat in the confidence vote illustrates the increased fragmentation and polarization of domestic politics.
	This instability weakens the political system's capacity to deliver substantial fiscal consolidation.
	In its report, Fitch paints a grim picture of the state of France's public finances.
	According to the agency, the deficit is expected to remain above 5% next year, and debt is expected to rise to 121% of GDP in 2027.
	Up from 114% today.
	For this economist, the downgrade has limited but real consequences.
	The impact of this downgrade is a lower quality debt, meaning certainly an increase in risk that could continue.
	And so this concretely means for France an increased debt burden, which means a higher level of interest that it repays each year.
	The outgoing minister of the economy, Eric Lombard, has taken note of Fitch's decision.
	The new prime minister, Sébastien Lecornu's mission is to present a budget that's acceptable to the opposition.
	Both those on the left and the right have opposing ideas of how to balance France's books.
	These divisions will make a consensus difficult to achieve.
	The difficulty is you don't have your own money anymore.
	That's the difficulty.
	Once you went on the euro, you can't inflate your way out of a crisis like this.
	Yeah, the Greeks taught us that.
	Yes.
	Austerity measures coming to France, and they're not gonna like it.
	Well, the French revolt all the time, so this could be like the fifth Republic or whatever number is up to.
	But it used to be cool, you know, they cut off heads and stuff.
	Well, they could they could get back to it.
	We have a new uh an a new actor on the scene.
	Um the supreme allied commander Europe of NATO, who I've never I don't think I can't recall this guy ever showing up.
	And there he is next to Mark Rutte.
	And uh, well, here we go, everybody.
	Eastern Century, we've activated it.
	Yeah, so um uh a couple of comments.
	Um I have issued the order tonight uh for Eastern Century to begin.
	Uh it the order went out as this press conference began.
	Uh, and so operations are being brought together immediately uh underneath uh my authorities as SACUR.
	Now, it will take some time uh for us to bring everything together with the new contributions that have been coming in, and we'll continue to work on this and refine uh the design of the operation moving forward, but it begins immediately.
	Uh on the I'll just make one comment on the uh drone wall uh secretary general.
	Uh this is very in line with some of our thoughts of uh fortifying our eastern flank from uh from a land and air domain perspective, and just coming back from the Baltics.
	Uh, the the number of states are making investments in technologies, learning lessons from Ukraine about what kind of sensors and what kind of uh weapons kinetic and non kinetic might be effective.
	And so integrating those sorts of defenses uh into uh our daily deterrence activities and into our regional plans is absolutely gonna be something that we want to do moving forward.
	Okay, so why is this guy standing next to Mark Rutte?
	Because he's part of the sales team.
	They brought in the closer.
	This guy's like, hey, uh, y'all want to get your uh your eastern flank all squared away, we're gonna help you, but you need new gear.
	You need to buy some gear from us.
	Do you think it was a highly successful operation uh intercepting the the drones uh that we did with our uh with the uh Dutch F 35s and the other assets that contributed to that?
	Um as successful as we are, uh, we always learn something in the debrief, as we would say in the in the fighter business.
	Here it comes.
	And so uh uh we are always looking for ways to enhance uh to to learn from uh the smallest tactical error to how we're approaching certain problems.
	Uh and uh it in in my judgment, the the scale of the incursion the other day uh was it was obviously larger than previous uh incursions that we've had.
	So bringing additional resources to bear on this problem will help to solve that.
	So uh that's why we're we're starting this operation uh the way we are.
	Uh I'll also highlight the the comment I made about working with Allied Command Transformation and uh Admiral Vondier.
	Uh that is an effort to ensure that we get lower cost weapons that we can use uh to defend ourselves to make this a sustainable operation over time.
	Uh and as Sakure, one of my responsibilities is to make sure that we don't just defend today, but that we're set up to defend tomorrow.
	Uh the last comment I'll made uh make is when when there's a uh fighter pilot that's in the air or uh uh someone on the ground who's defending the alliance.
	I don't want them thinking about how much their weapons cost.
	I want them defending our citizens.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Don't think about costs, boys.
	Don't worry about it.
	Fire away.
	Fire away Fox One, Fox Two.
	Oh yeah.
	By the way, it turns out these were not Shahid, these were Gueran drones, which pretty much are unarmed.
	They are um autonomous.
	They have funny they one of the reports did say Shahids.
	No, I know.
	That that's initially we heard Shahi, but I got a lot of people who know what they're talking about, emailing me.
	He said, No, these are Giron drones.
	And then this morning or yesterday, there was a bunch of incursions over Romania.
	Yes.
	Yeah, I think I actually uh I have a clip of that.
	Hold on.
	Uh yes, here it is.
	It was two F-16 fighter jets like these that detected a drone in Romania's airspace.
	The Romanian defense ministry says the jets were patrolling near the border following Russian air strikes on Ukrainian infrastructure.
	At 1823, F-16 aircraft detected a drone in national airspace, which they tracked to approximately 20 kilometers southwest of Chileveche, where it disappeared from radar.
	The drone did not fly overpopulated areas and did not pose an imminent danger to the safety of the population.
	It's the second breach of NATO airspace in just a matter of days after Poland said it shot down several Russian drones earlier in the week.
	In response to the alliance's beefing up its defenses with a new operation dubbed Eastern Century, which aims to reinforce its eastern border with Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine.
	The US has also vowed to defend every inch of NATO territory.
	You saw NATO respond to it appropriately.
	Um we don't want to see it happen again.
	We think it's a um unacceptable and and unfortunate and dangerous uh development in this regard.
	With tensions high, Poland's Lublin Airport temporarily closed on Saturday after a drone alert was issued.
	Meanwhile, Russia and Belarus are pressing on with their joint operations near the Polish border, known as Zappad 2.
	The two countries had already carried out similar exercises back in 2021, just months before Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
	Full scale invasion.
	Yeah, the more I think about it, the more genius this is starting to look.
	Bleed 'em drive all their money for not for today's war, but tomorrow's war.
	You don't want you don't want your boys in the sky thinking about what it's gonna cost.
	I love that.
	You don't want fighters to be thinking you don't want that.
	You want those guys.
	Trying to save money for uh for your government.
	Yeah.
	Shoot, you don't want that.
	The you know the French are shutting down their nuclear uh power plants.
	The Germans, yes.
	Oh, yeah, they they've decommissioned.
	Are all the whole country is run by those news?
	I think they shut down two of them already.
	Well, they may be for mainteners.
	I can't believe they're gonna shut any of them down.
	Well, the Germans certainly did, and Germany Germans did.
	They're stupid.
	But that's the green agenda.
	They've turned it on themselves.
	And we're gonna screw them with their money, with the stable coin.
	We we're taking away the you know, LIBOR is gone, you don't control that anymore.
	Now we just gotta get those mainly uh City of London oriented banks who are, you know, not to be named in the Federal Reserve, get them out of the picture, which Bessant is they've got plans.
	This could get very well if if Trump can keep himself alive, you know.
	They don't put those James Bond movies into your mind for nothing.
	Yeah, we got uh we got our agents.
	They can kill anybody, can get anybody, they can get their man anytime they want.
	But we'll make them look like Austin Powers, so you don't you're not pr you're not you know you're not clued into what we're really doing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, I think we're on to something.
	Yes.
	Um the uh oh this uh uh see I the actually there was a kind of doubling back but coming back to to technology, uh which is obviously some by the way, how about all those European Union finding finding our companies billions of dollars?
	Yeah, well, that's been going on since the entire show.
	They hate it.
	They hate our started with Microsoft years ago, then Google, and then now Meta, and then Google again.
	Because they hate our influence.
	They want to control it.
	That's a gouge.
	It's a it's a rip-off.
	It's a simple, they don't hate us.
	They love us.
	They can get all these billions of dollars for doing absolutely sitting on their ass.
	Well, that's true.
	Sit on our ass and do nothing and then oh no, you you get fined.
	Why would they hate us?
	Sounds like a podcast.
	Let's sit on our ass and do nothing.
	Yeah, well, that's most podcasts.
	Yeah, not this one.
	Um so obviously now we have to bring that this is your your girl Kristen Welker, and that's why I have the clips from uh Meet the Press.
	And she's talking to uh uh the governor Spencer Cox.
	Spencer Cox.
	Is that the guy?
	Is that Cox, the Utah governor?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, he's a very uh he's a very politically savvy guy.
	He could run for president.
	Well, uh from what I'm reading, a lot of people think he is a proverbial rhino.
	A Republican in name only.
	And uh he certain you certainly don't want this guy as president.
	Listen to his thoughts and his ideas about uh online and radicalization.
	Governor, I want to ask you about something you said on Friday.
	You said, quote, there was a radicalization that happened in a fairly short amount of time.
	How was the suspect radicalized?
	How quickly did it happen?
	By the FBI, by the MI6.
	I mean, this radicalization can happen from anybody, people.
	Well, again, those are pieces of information that we're still gathering, trying to understand.
	We we do know.
	And again, this is he in intelligence all of a sudden, this guy?
	Yeah, we're gathering.
	The funny thing is he looks like he's from intelligence.
	He has that look.
	Now I should mention it.
	He has an intelligence look, he looks like a uh a spook, and he uh he has says the right things.
	And when they bring up some of these radicalization programs, you know, the intelligence people are the ones who could you know, they got all these, you know, quantico and all these people to do a uh personality analysis and they owe your weak spots and they can come in and convince you of something that's not gonna happen, like you have a whole group of them down there in uh Fredericksburg that think you know the grid's going down or whatever, then whatever the whatever they want to try as a joke.
	Yeah, yeah.
	They exactly they psy up our people here.
	He is uh, of course, uh in Utah.
	He is um uh I believe he is, yes, he went on mission for the so he's a Mormon, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
	Uh which and that and by the way, that's what you're supposed to say.
	They don't like the word Mormon.
	No, they don't.
	That's why I said Church of Jesus.
	I know I'm not sure what you did, but I just pointing that out to the audience.
	Yes, but they are very deeply entrenched in uh intelligence.
	They have records on everybody.
	Didn't Ancestry.com start with them.
	I think you might be right.
	Yeah.
	They guess because they because they have the belief as a religion that they can baptize you in death.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	Which is appreciated, but it's okay.
	I already already gave it the office.
	It's not appreciated by everybody.
	I gave it the office.
	I don't need it anymore.
	It's the information that we're still gathering, trying to understand.
	We we do know, and again, this is uh this has been well publicized, but this was uh a very normal young man, uh a very uh very smart young man, 4-0 student.
	I think it's a 34 on the ACT.
	Um went to uh went to How does he know all this stuff?
	I haven't seen any of his his scholastic record.
	Yeah, that's that that came out.
	Okay.
	34 on the ACT, um, went to uh went to my alma mater, Utah State University, but was only there for a very short amount of time.
	I mean, dropped out after after less than one semester.
	And and it seemed to happen kind of after that.
	Um after uh after he had he had moved back uh to uh to to the southern part of Utah.
	Um clearly there was uh there was a lot of gaming going on.
	Uh friends confirmed that there was kind of that that deep dark internet uh the dark the Reddit culture and uh these these other dark places of the internet where um where where this person was.
	Stop for a second.
	I take back what I said about him being a potential presidential candidate because of this interaction he's going through right now.
	He is using a scatter gun style of talking.
	So it's not smooth, he's not smooth.
	I mean, when he gave his prepared speeches, uh he sounded very presidential, but here's not got he's all over the map.
	He can't, he doesn't have a structured flow.
	It's it doesn't come off well.
	No.
	So no, he's out.
	No, he's but you know, and also Utah has all the big data centers.
	Any place some in Colorado?
	Yeah, no, but Utah, well known.
	Well known.
	He's a fan of the band The Killers.
	Okay.
	It was kind of that that deep dark internet, uh, the the the Reddit culture and uh these these other dark places of the internet where um where where this person was uh was going deep.
	And uh you you you saw that on the on the casings?
	I think I I mean I didn't have any idea what the what you saw that on the casings again.
	We didn't see anything.
	He's stammering like a maniac, which he's stammering to the to the extent that makes you think he's not being honest, yeah.
	And uh you you you saw that on the on the casings.
	I think I I mean I didn't have any idea what the what those inscriptions, many of those inscriptions even meant.
	Uh but they are you know they're certainly the memefication that is happening in our society today.
	By the way, this podcast, the No Agenda Show, is only available on the dark web.
	Governor, I want to delve into some of the messaging that we have heard uh from you.
	Uh lawmakers, governors of both parties across the country have frankly praised what we heard from you on Friday, your unifying message.
	You said you see this as a watershed moment.
	How can this nation step back from the brink, Governor?
	So he was so good.
	He from the brink.
	He was so good that you even kind of fell for it until you heard this interview, because he was good.
	He he had a you know uh a message that was needed at that moment, but we needed some details too.
	So look, um this is uh you you mentioned it in the introduction, but we have seen escalation all about.
	Well starts right away with a laugh tell.
	Let's listen to her lead in again.
	And yeah, and by the way, I resent the fact you said that I fell for it.
	Well, I I don't know.
	Because I did, but it's beside the point.
	It's not by the way.
	I need to apologize for something, not for that comment I just made.
	Well, what would that be?
	What else did you say about me that you would need to apologize for?
	It was not about you.
	No.
	I said something about Brennan.
	Oh, yes, Brennan.
	Brennan and and Jay were quite upset about you calling him as I recall uh the exact word was a deadbeat when it's anything but he's a very responsible, and by the way, he's an Eagle Scout, if anybody cares, but a lot of Eagle Scouts out there.
	And very responsible person.
	And he he it it was a it was a I think actionable insult.
	Well, it was not it was meant as a joke, obviously.
	Well, Mimi noticed it was kind of a joke.
	Well, of course you make these offhanded comments.
	It was a joke coming from the the love you have for the family.
	Yes, and it came in a conversation where you were making fun of Mimi's voice.
	So I'm like, it's fair game now.
	But that's uh but I apologize.
	That's not true.
	Uh okay.
	I'm sorry.
	No, that's right.
	It was right before you.
	And I wasn't making fun of her voice.
	She's her mic voice is a very sexy voice she's developed.
	I called her out on it later.
	I call her I said where are you developing this voice because she wears the cans and she doesn't like her voice and so she's working Hello.
	It was so she's working on this bull crap voice.
	It sounds terrific.
	She could get work doing that voice.
	It was uh right before uh right after you called me a bigot and before you called me um an eagle ego maniac about the sound of my own voice.
	So yes, I yes, that's true.
	But if you're I'm fair game, I'm fair game.
	Instead of your normal attack of me, you went after poor old Brennan.
	Uh it was I I said it because I know that you know because of the the departure of uh what company left?
	Oh, the Chevron.
	Chevron.
	Yeah.
	So I'm sorry.
	Of course.
	And by the way, I remember Jay when you're three of you to apologize to Brennan.
	Yes, and also to Jay.
	Um, you know, because they're married, and you know, I'm sure she got and she had didn't mention anything to me, but this got back to me.
	And so I'm really sorry.
	I love I've known Jay since she was 15.
	And and I and I love the I love her working with us and does a terrific job.
	Yeah, Brennan's a good guy.
	I've never met him, but uh you like him, so that automatically qualifies.
	So I'm sorry.
	This is what you get when you only listen to the no agenda show once in a while.
	You haven't heard all the other stuff we talked about you.
	So I'm sorry.
	I really am.
	I I think that they should be listening to the show.
	Jay was listening to the show with more consistency, and Brennan listens once in a while.
	He was listening in the car, I guess, when you insulted him.
	And um should listen to the show.
	I did understand.
	Did they almost drive their Tesla off the road?
	Drawing a minivan.
	All right, onward.
	You said you see this as a watershed moment.
	How can this nation step back from the brink, Governor?
	So look, um this is uh we you you mentioned it in the introduction, but we have seen an escalation in violence that has been happening across the country.
	We we've had periods like this in our past history.
	I I've mentioned before in the late 60s and early 70s.
	Certainly, we saw these types of uh of high-profile political assassinations, another dark time in our history.
	Um people keep waiting um for you know somebody to to lead us out of this, and and I I think that's a mistake.
	I I don't think any one person, certainly not a governor, um, I don't think a president, I I don't think anyone can can change the trajectory of this.
	It truly is about every single one of us.
	And I can't emphasize enough um the damage that social media and the internet is doing to all of us.
	Cox for president, those dopamine hits, these companies, trillion-dollar market caps, the most powerful companies in the history of the world have figured out how to hack our brains, uh, get us addicted to operation stop.
	So, what social media company has a trillion dollar valuation?
	Uh I can tell you Meta, Meta.
	I don't think they have a trillion dollar valuation.
	They couldn't.
	Not a market cap.
	Okay.
	I know Apple does, but that's not social media.
	I think Google Google goes.
	I think uh uh Microsoft for sure.
	Yeah.
	But those aren't social media companies.
	Does social media companies to me are make no money?
	Like well, no, they make money.
	I mean, meta makes money.
	Yeah, Meta is a good example.
	Uh but I don't think they're I I'll look it up, but I don't it that'd be the only one possibly with a with a trillion dollar market.
	But I don't think they're not the most powerful companies in the world.
	No, I agree.
	They're not.
	That's and people who are on these platforms like Twitter or Blue Sky, your favorite.
	Oh my god.
	Or any of these other ones.
	I went on Blue Sky the other day.
	I hadn't been on, I had to reset my password, hadn't been on there in months.
	That guy who yells at me every day is still yelling every day.
	Every day.
	One guy.
	No one I'm I'm not on that.
	You should you should take some of these clips and or take uh some screenshots and read them because you you you know the guy, he's got a voice certain kind of voice that you you can emulate perfectly.
	Okay.
	But let me finish these clips and then uh and then I'll I'll give you some joy.
	Figured out how to hack our brains, uh, get us addicted to outrage, which is the same type of dopamine, the same chemical that you get from taking fentanyl, uh, get us addicted to outrage and get us to hate each other.
	I'm seeing it in real time since the tragic death of Charlie Kirk.
	I'm seeing it in in every corner of our society.
	The conflict entrepreneurs are taking advantage of us, and uh, we are losing our agency, and we have to take that back.
	We have to turn it off.
	We have to get back to community caring about our our neighbors, the things that make American great, serving each other, bettering ourselves, uh, exercising, sleeping, all of those things that this takes away from us.
	Okay, you want to hear some of this guy.
	Well, first I want to mention about this this this idea of taking social media away.
	Does he understand what's going on in Nepal?
	Exact.
	Exactly.
	You really want to be careful taking this is the one thing we warned of.
	Don't even take TikTok away.
	The we'll be rioting in the Well we'll finish these.
	This is uh he's gonna make a great little comparison here.
	If you could compare social media to anything bad, what will you compare it to?
	Uh, if I was gonna compare social media to something bad, I compare it to war.
	Well, Governor, you referred to social media as a cancer on Friday.
	That's an incredibly strong word.
	Do you believe that social media played a direct role in this assassination?
	I believe that social media has played a direct role in every single assassination and assassination attempt that we have seen over the last five, six years.
	Well, but what happened to gaming?
	Come on, man, you afraid?
	There is no question in my mind that cancer probably isn't a strong enough word.
	Uh what we have done, especially to our kids took us a decade to realize how how evil um these algorithms are.
	And uh and uh we're we're doing everything in Utah.
	First state in the nation a couple years ago to pass comprehensive reform.
	Sadly, these most powerful companies on earth are suing us to prevent us from implementing these things.
	Okay, by the way.
	And we believe we Yes.
	Well, you have to this is the funny part.
	Okay, well, before you put I just gonna say Meta 1.8 trillion.
	Okay, that was way off.
	So this is the funny part where he's talking about social media companies, and I guess he's on Zoom, and then he gets cut off.
	Years ago to pass comprehensive reform.
	Sadly, these most powerful companies on earth are suing us to prevent us from implementing these things.
	And he's gone.
	And we believe we just lost our connection with uh Governor Cox.
	Cut him off.
	There you heard him speaking very forcefully against trying trying to drag it out to get him back.
	He never came back.
	But you know who did come back for the final clip?
	Mayor Pete.
	I mean, you heard Governor Cox refer to social media as a cancer.
	And the question I think becomes what to do about it.
	Do you agree with that assessment?
	Is social media actually a cancer right now, Mr. Secretary?
	Let's get some consensus.
	And is he still allowed to be called Mr. Secretary?
	Yeah, they that's uh that's a uh protocol allowance, yes.
	Well, and and of course, Secretary General outpaces Mr. Secretary any day.
	So people should re next show is a show 1800, people should contribute their five hundred dollars uh piece and get those Secretary General ships in for the next show is gonna be a long, hopefully long uh donation segment.
	Social media is clearly part of the problem in a big way, and it speaks to something that's even bigger than the political polarization of this moment, although I think the internet has played a role, but it's more than that.
	It's what is it doing to our brains?
	Look, every time there's one of these killings in a summer that uh began with the assassination in June of a democratic lawmaker by somebody with a kill list of democrats, and is ending the September with the assassination of a conservative figure, and you go back through so many other cases, political and not of violence.
	There is not a consistent pattern of uh left versus right among the shooters, but there is a pattern where we see so many of these people are men, usually young men, who seem to spend more and more of their time in dark and twisted corners of The internet.
	And I think it there is a sickness, not just the sickness of somebody who would pick up a gun and shoot someone, but I think a broader societal sickness that frankly, I think you could see and feel in how many uh people around America, normal people, not dangerous people.
	Oh, normal.
	We're in a moment when we all should have still been praying for the victim and his family, were busy online praying for some shred of evidence that the shooter would turn out to be from the other political team.
	That is not healthy, and that is not a way forward, but that is exactly what the algorithm pushes us to do.
	Wow.
	There's some there's some uh agenda here.
	There's some agenda at play.
	Yeah, there's too much of uh too much uh anti uh social media.
	Well, there's anti uh social networks, there's uh yeah, yeah, Meta's 1.8 trillion.
	I didn't realize it was that much.
	Uh silly you there's there's something going on.
	They're trying to do something, they're trying to I think it's to implement censorship before some event or the trend.
	It's a censorship uh play.
	They want digital ID, man.
	Digital ID in the dark corner, dark corners of the internet Discord.
	That that's been a push.
	It's a push, but they're they're not gonna get it.
	We're going back to bulletin boards, people.
	I got five lines on my BBS.
	I remember yeah.
	People would have they the phone companies were making out of bandits during that era.
	Because you'd get ten lines into your house.
	That's right.
	And you have your modem bank, you know, a prr pr pr the whole night going off.
	Yep, click click.
	Relays, relays boogie operation.
	Yeah, running on a single uh 286.
	Ah, good times, everybody, good times.
	Hey, with that, I want to thank you for your courage.
	Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in Cox for president.
	Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only Mr. John Court.
	Yeah, well, in the morning, Mr. Seekers V air, subs in the water, and all the names and nights out there.
	Yo, yo, in the morning to the trolls in the troll room.
	Hello, trolls.
	All right.
	Oh, yeah, we're doing good now.
	23, 28 at the peak.
	There you go.
	We're almost back at our 2400.
	I know you say it's 25, but I think 24 is where we actually were.
	And uh these trolls are checking us out on the troll room.
	You can get there by going to NoAgendaStream.com.
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	Uh oh, by the way, did I tell you that um uh that now Apple looks like they're going to be adopting yet another podcasting 2.0 feature.
	Which one pretty chapters?
	Chapters.
	Ah.
	So we've had these uh well, well, some people call them super chapters, cloud chapters.
	Uh Dreb Scott makes them for us, and they're portable.
	So you can, you know, that's why you see them on uh noagendashow.net, you see them in the podcast apps, and you don't have to bake them into your file, because if we did that, we'd have to wait hours before even being able to publish the show because we'd have to figure out all the chapters first.
	And so now you just publish the show and then the chapters are done.
	No, and then you know, Dreb Dreb sometimes listening in real time and it just hits the button and boom, the chapters are there.
	So looks like Apple's gonna do that.
	Uh which is good because I uh, you know, of all the legacy apps, uh, I think uh Apple is probably the one that has the chance of uh innovating.
	Everyone else just sucks.
	So podcast apps.com.
	Uh man, 1799 episodes of the No Agenda Show.
	Uh the next one will be our big 1800, our eighteenth anniversary is coming up, and all these years, we've been doing it value for value.
	Which means we just give you the show.
	Uh there's no barriers to entry.
	Uh it's like free speech.
	You literally get our speech for free.
	However, if you want to continue receiving that speech, all you have to do is from time to time, whenever you feel you've gotten some value, enough value, more than enough value, send it back to the show.
	Um if everyone did that, you'd never hear us complain.
	And we're not complaining because we're still here, and we enjoy it.
	We enjoy doing this as a public service, and you can support us in many ways.
	Organizing meetups.
	Uh did you have a meetup uh on Saturday?
	In fact, I did, and I have the results from the meetup, which will be coming up shortly.
	Oh, good.
	Good, good.
	I didn't get a meetup report from the Port Angeles meetup.
	I was expecting uh everybody who's uh the report.
	Or Mimi.
	Hi, everybody.
	Hi.
	It's Mimi with the cans on.
	Yeah, everybody.
	Um she's got a good pair of cans.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	I see.
	Yeah, she got a good pair of cans.
	I'm ISOing that.
	It's perfect.
	Um also, you know, boots on the ground, people sending clips.
	Everything is incredibly appreciated.
	And um thing people do is, you know, I'm I'm slowly giving up on the idea that we could that I can fight uh artificial intelligence by myself.
	I can't, so we'll just wait until it all collapses.
	Oh, bonus clip time, bonus clip.
	Bonus clip.
	Ready for a bonus clip.
	This is a special donation segment.
	I'm on the pins and needles.
	So we were laughing on the last show about Oracle.
	How there I think you said this is even more ridiculous than pets.com.
	That they're putting it.
	No, I better bought a pets.com.
	You said, no, no, it's much worse.
	By a fact I could have said that, yes.
	A factor of 10, you know, expecting to go from big operation.
	Pets.com just died on the on the vine.
	But going from 14 billion in today's uh revenue, which missed their quarterly revenue and profit targets, to 2029, which is only three and a half years away, where they expect Oracle expects to have 149 billion dollars in revenue.
	And everyone went Oh wow!
	Well, our fine friends over there at CNBC have uh figured out how this is going to work and what is uh powering the uh the AI spending spree.
	You're gonna love it.
	Shares of Oracle today falling a bit following that 35% surge yesterday on its massive revenue backlog, and we now know where the majority of that revenue will come from.
	It's OpenAI, that $300 billion deal for compute power among the largest cloud contracts ever signed.
	Our Mackenzie Sigalos has more on that in today's tech check.
	Hey, Mac.
	Hey Carl.
	So I have been speaking to DCs out here in Silicon Valley about how OpenAI is now bankrolling the AI trillion dollar club.
	And they're trying to make sense of this loop.
	The sky high fundraising, spending so fast that it clogs supplier backlogs and pumps up the market caps of legacy giants who have rebranded themselves as an AI play.
	Now, one investor telling me that the real story is the power struggle with NVIDIA, saying that OpenAI feels threatened and wants to diffuse the dynamic by making some of its smaller rivals a lot stronger.
	In the last week, OpenAI has fired two shots in that direction.
	A $10 billion Broadcom partnership to build a GPU rival, and then this massive Oracle deal.
	Both are meant to spread leverage across the stack.
	Now other VCs were marveling at Sam Altman's sprawl.
	One investor saying that he is really trying to out Elon Elon, pointing to his custom chip ambitions, and that top secret consumer device being built in a lab under Johnny Ive.
	Skeptics say the spending math does not work.
	Most VCs are priced out at a $500 billion valuation.
	They say that sovereign wealth and Middle East Capital is keeping this entire ecosystem afloat.
	Another VC underlined the tightrope that everyone is walking here.
	The numbers look impossible on their face, but the constraint is compute and energy.
	So yes, it is a gamble for these hyperscalers, but that trillion dollar capex wave has to happen in order for this AI thesis to clear.
	Now the next test is whether OpenAI can lock in more funding and nail its agentic strategy in order to deliver on that 125 billion dollar revenue target for 2029.
	That will be key to turning Oracle's backlog into cash.
	We just need more money.
	If you can just give us more money, we're gonna make so much money.
	You're gonna be so rich, you're gonna get leave your wife rich money.
	It's gonna be fantastic.
	Just four more years of money.
	This is fantastic.
	Larry Ellison is actually quite smart.
	He's just gonna let those guys raise the money, and he's gonna take it.
	But this is but this it's like hey, you know what?
	Enjoy your art generator while it lasts, everybody.
	Enjoy everything.
	Every minute that This is the time to get it while you can.
	Yeah get it while you can is right.
	You know, and we're doing a good job of exploiting it.
	There's art generators, all the art that we're getting, and the songs even, and the clips at the end of the show occasionally.
	Yeah, it's all free.
	Someone said to me, hey, can we make a deal?
	Like, I'll give $50 to every artist who creates art that's chosen that isn't AI generated.
	I'm like, just give it up, man.
	Forget about it.
	Just give it up.
	Just give it up.
	Bite the bullet.
	Give it up.
	Bite the bullet, exactly.
	Blue Acorn came in with a win.
	It was a good piece.
	You know, we ping-ponged back and forth on a couple of things.
	Yeah, this wasn't my favorite at first.
	No.
	I forgot.
	There was one I liked.
	I forgot what it was.
	Well, first, let me talk about it.
	Oh, I like the Robot Cops.
	Yeah, so this was the Statue of Liberty yelling at a pudgy Uncle Sam asleep with his teddy bear saying, wake up, wake up, which, you know, people liked it.
	It was cute.
	It could be taken many different ways.
	I also got a note from our Ria guy, and he's, who did the logo, the logo, the Austin logo deconstruction.
	He says 100% Photoshop.
	He says no AI involved.
	No, no.
	He said Illustrator.
	Oh, Illustrator.
	I'm sorry.
	Yes, Illustrator.
	This is Sir Shug.
	Yes, Sir Shug.
	There you go.
	Faux Diddly.
	That's it.
	So here on this particular arc.
	In fact, he eschewed Photoshop in favor of Illustrator.
	He made a point.
	He did.
	He did.
	No.
	So Robot Cops, it just didn't do it for me.
	I mean, I know he liked it.
	Kind of a dark image.
	It was rather dark.
	Did we talk about anything else that we kind of liked?
	I mean dark in terms of luminosity.
	Yes.
	Which brings up the point that some people, you get these things.
	You hear us complaining, or us, mostly Adam.
	He's always moaning and groaning.
	Adam has a thing about this orange-ish art hue.
	Take the art and pull it out, drop it into Photoshop, and brighten it up.
	Yeah.
	Brighten it up.
	Yeah.
	Do some work.
	You can do that.
	It's not that hard.
	No, they can't.
	They see it.
	They're like, make it brighter.
	Make it brighter.
	Like that cat.
	Make it brighter.
	Prompting, prompting, prompting.
	So, anyway.
	You also like the xylophone.
	Well, I like the simplicity of it, but it was a little, you actually think it's too simplistic, Nico Simes xylophone yeah and then you're like oh man I love these evergreen logos the one with no agenda with the microphone and the headphones yeah over my dead body that's like the most the most overused elements of any podcast logo I'm not arguing that you just that's a bigotry.
	You should look it up the definition.
	Okay I don't have time for that today.
	We have the the bigotry I have my bigotry is gruesome art.
	Yes I refuse to accept any sort of gruesome artists very bigoted against good and I have and the reason for that is because it's associative and I don't like it.
	Yes I know I know I know thank you blue acorn very happy with your piece and noagenda artgenerator.com everybody can participate it's easy kids just go to your favorite AI art generator make some up it still needs still needs a good idea without a good idea you can't get there so there's that and of course we always like to thank the people who supported us with the financial value for value we thank everybody $50 and above you can keep score at home and uh we have a special bonus
	for those fortunate enough who are able to, just like Hollywood, by the way, I mean, you can pay your, your, what is a movie ticket these days?
	Is it 20 bucks now?
	Oh, it's at least that.
	It used to be five, then it was seven.
	I remember when it was like a dollar.
	We had a Nickelodeon and we were happy.
	Now, what was the thing called?
	What was that?
	Where you put a, a penny in and.
	Yeah, there's a thing.
	Kinescope, rotoscope.
	What is it called?
	I don't, you got me.
	You know.
	were there I was but I don't even remember It was like a we still had those things, I think, at Riverview Park in Chicago.
	Yeah, and it would you'd be looking through it.
	Yeah.
	Uh so if you are uh fortunate enough to support us with $200 or more, we'll give you a title, a Hollywood credit, which is an associate executive producer.
	Uh and uh we'll read your note, and if it's $300 or above, you become an executive producer of the no agenda show for that episode, and we will read your note as well.
	And of course, you can use these anywhere Hollywood style credits are recognized.
	Uh that would be your LinkedIn, your blue sky, put it in your profile, your blue sky.
	That'll get you lots of friends.
	Uh or you can put it on uh IMDB.com, which will make you look very official for uh putting it onto your resume.
	And John is going to start us off with our first uh executive producers, which I believe these are from the meetup in Albany.
	Give us a meetup report.
	Yes, I went to the meetup.
	Uh it was actually in Oakland.
	Oh.
	At Violet's Violet's Violetta Pizza Violetta.
	And that's where uh Violet, the the uh sucker baby that we first brought into the topic of conversation.
	She's been a show uh uh promoter herself, the little girl, for the last six years, and she was at the event, and this was at Violetta's Pizza, and the I have to say they besides being besides being uh very generous with the free pizza and free tallow fries and whatever else anyone wanted to order.
	Wow that the owners of Pizzeria Violetta, and there's two of them.
	There's one in Piedmont and one at the Prescott Market.
	Uh is is uh it was Jonathan and Sarah and their daughter Violet.
	Uh Violet was there, the and she comes up to me.
	Violet comes up, she's a fan of the show.
	She's been listening to the show forever.
	Oh.
	And she comes up and she looks at me and she's very furtive.
	And she's, you know, she's looking at the furtive.
	Furtive, yeah.
	What's furtive mean?
	It means it's like, you know, she's like semi-anxious and she's because she's got something to say.
	Uh, yes, furtive, okay.
	Like a little kid.
	She comes up and she looks at me and she goes, I'm six.
	Uh, which cracked me up.
	But it turned out to be a backstory to her doing this because she didn't get called out for her birthday uh a couple of weeks ago by the parents who never sent us a note.
	Oh no.
	And so Violet was irked about the fact that she wasn't called out, and I have a note.
	I'm six, she says to me.
	And uh she's the cutest thing, by the way.
	And she uh here's the the note from the uh from Jonathan and Sarah.
	Uh and they they besides giving us the the hospitality, they donated 3333.
	Very nice.
	So uh thanks for getting out of the house, they write.
	Uh great to chat.
	I know Baroness Sarah Rupert and Sucker Baby Violet love the meetup.
	Trap baby, not sucker baby.
	That was true.
	Yeah, I always call it trap baby, but then I was called out by Mimi says that's actually the sucker, but it should be sucker baby.
	Okay, whatever.
	All right.
	One of the two.
	Uh there's a note here.
	Appreciate the uh the praise of the pizza.
	Yes, they make it they do make a tremendous product.
	Uh and reluctantly make a pineapple pizza.
	And here's an make good birthday wishes.
	Uh Violet was very upset to not hear her name on the podcast.
	Whoa.
	So she's on the current, she's currently on the list, so she's gonna be called out today.
	And um other donors, since we're gonna do a little meetup report.
	We have uh 8008 from uh Sir Fast.
	I can't read his name of the American the The Island of Boobs, 8008.
	Uh John and Adam, thanks for what you do.
	Sir Fastiblardi.
	Uh no, it says fast or fast Eddie of Alameda.
	Oh, there you go.
	Okay, thank you.
	235 from uh this is from Sir Lawrence of Dystopia, Baronet of Maxwell Park.
	Kilo Oscar Six Echo Juliet Echo 73s.
	Yeah.
	And he came in with he says it was 335 cash.
	Oh, yeah, plus fees.
	Well, I counted 235, but maybe I'm wrong.
	Um I'll just assume it's 330.
	330.
	335.
	Uh, He says, I hope this finds you well.
	I have three Ask Adams.
	Answer the questions.
	Go.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	One.
	Yes.
	In the troll room.
	Who determines if you get karma for a comment that you make during the show?
	Well, that rarely happens.
	That's never happened.
	I don't I can't remember a time, actually.
	Two.
	Yeah.
	In the song Der Commissar, after the Fire Falco 1982 song.
	Is Der Commissar a euphemism for a drug dealer?
	No.
	Falco was an Austrian, so he had all kinds of uh militaristic uh vibes.
	Okay.
	Last question.
	Yes.
	In the song.
	This is Adam the DJ questions.
	Is the song A E I O U sometimes Y nineteen eighty-four from Ibn Ozan.
	Yeah.
	A is Lola a man.
	Yes, Lola is obviously Lola is a man.
	I met her down in Old Soho.
	Asking for a friend.
	If you meet Lola, be warned.
	She's a Thank you for your attention to this matter.
	Sure.
	God rest Charlie Kirk and may God bless America.
	Yes, sir.
	God bless America.
	Absolutely.
	That was a entertaining note.
	Okay.
	Onward with the rest of these donations.
	I like these past eight of notes.
	These are good.
	These are good.
	We got uh $200 from Robert Montoya, Black Knight of Pleasant Hill.
	That's just uh just $200.
	Just that's that.
	200 bucks from J uh J Cine Swisher.
	J J A Y C E E N. And she says, uh St. Ives.
	Nice meeting.
	Nice meeting you.
	Uh something at the butt the J. I don't know.
	I this is some sort of trust.
	It's 200 bucks.
	Just a check with no other longer note.
	And then another one, which is from Sir Sir Recalcitant Steve, our buddy, uh 5150.
	And of course, he comes in.
	And that I think covers the bases.
	Very nice.
	And you have to do Dame Janet of TP Wyoming because you also have the note for her donation of $750.
	I have to grab a different pile.
	Okay.
	So here we go.
	This is uh this is an interesting note.
	This is $750.
	This is the next donor, which is Dame Janet of TP, Wyoming.
	And she wrote a card, actually.
	Uh okay.
	Uh keep up uh the good work.
	Uh okay, we have a nighting.
	This is a switcheroo.
	I think it's on there.
	Yep.
	This is a switcheroo.
	She writes.
	Uh donate donate.
	She's got a you know, this is a very interesting anomaly with her.
	She has unbelievably pretty and readable long hand or cursive, and her printing is hard to read.
	And she print this.
	Uh donation to uh bring my it's it's looks like sucking hot husband, but I think I think it is smoking hot husband bill to the night to knighthood, night uh night something or other to be determined, or the night name to be determined later.
	Okay.
	We have them on the list, but he's gonna change it maybe.
	September 15th will uh be or be married for 41 years.
	Hey, there you go.
	And no one I'd rather be on years.
	Holy moly.
	Never had a price to journey with Bill.
	Wow, wow, wow.
	Uh we both love uh the show and have new and we love the newsletter, especially the memes and hypocrite of the week.
	It's it's a it's a fan favorite.
	Keep up the great work.
	Then she says he'd like opus one and spaghetti carbonara at the round table.
	Yeah, I got it all ordered for you and all set up.
	I'll take the next three just to move things along.
	Sure.
	Benjamin Malnar in Rapid River, Michigan, $500, no notes, so you get a double up karma, and I believe you will be a Secretary General by default.
	You've got Karma.
	And we have Matthew Bush from Newport Beach, California, $350.58.
	Also, no note that we can find.
	So for you, also a double up karma.
	You've got karma.
	And there he is, Sir Scovey from Charlotte, North Carolina.
	We thought we'd heard the last of him on the last show, but no, he comes in with his standard 333.33, and he says, make good matching donation alert.
	John Adam and fellow producers in the morning to Robert Kaminowski for the donation to show 1797.
	I should have matched that donation based on the chronological order of donations.
	May a culpa, Robert, and thank you for your courage, he says.
	That concludes this matching donation campaign, which he went above and beyond the matching campaign, which is which, as a matching donor, is what you do, and we appreciate it.
	But he says for it's done for real this time.
	Thank you to the eight producers, signing off with a reminder that acts of kindness and generosity are always needed.
	Do what you can as often as you can.
	Love and light was signed, Sir Scovey.
	Thank you, Sir Scovey.
	Beautiful.
	You can let us read the next one because I have a note.
	Well, this is from uh about 90 miles to the east of me, Georgetown, Texas, Randy Wallen.
	And he says in the morning, 333.33, please support the George Pastor Foundation.
	Pastor was an Austin SWAT officer killed in the line of duty on November 11th, 2023 during active shooter hostage rescue call.
	To honor his legacy, Pastor's wife Kim established a foundation to provide financial resources for first responders for advanced training, wellness, and community engagement.
	The foundation's a 501c3 and all staff are volunteers.
	You can support the foundation financially by donating through its website, J Pastore Foundation.com.
	That's Pastor with an R and E. You can also support the Foundation by taking part in its annual fundraiser, the Humble Warrior Games, live on November 9th at Revel Peak Ranch in Burnett, Texas, or virtually if you are out of the area.
	Registry can be found.
	Registration can be found on the website.
	Again, J Pastore Foundation.com.
	Thank you, says Randy Wallen from Georgetown, Texas.
	Okay, now we have um another note.
	Sir Optimus, yeah.
	This is the last one.
	Except I will mention that I have pushed off two donations.
	Uh Kim of the Nutty Fluffers and um Archduke of Central Florida have been moved to show 1800 for logistical reasons, and they should know I should note that they're expecting to be mentioned today.
	Okay.
	And you'll see what that's all about next next show.
	Okay.
	Um, so we have a note here from Sir Optimus.
	Mysterious.
	Yeah.
	Optimus.
	God bless you both.
	Rest in peace.
	Charlie Kirk, Sir Optimist.
	Simple to the point.
	Yep, beautiful.
	Kevin G, Mobile, Alabama, 233.99, which I believe is a 222.22, so a big row of ducks processing fees.
	Sir Kevin G of the Lake Lanier Boaters here, checking in after three years of retirement on 922.
	We've traded the Lake Life for Salt Life, moving down to Mobile.
	That's mobile, not mobile.
	Alabama, a solid red state, no longer just puttering, Adam's word, around the Georgia Lake Lanier on my yacht.
	What a life.
	In April this year, I took an eight-day trip down the Tennessee River to Mobile.
	I'm now traveling the ICW in your coastal water, visiting new ports of call.
	If the peerage committee could please update my title to Sir Kevin G of the ICW, thanks for your attention to this matter.
	Consider it done.
	In closes my annual retirement donation, a full row of ducks, 222.22 plus processing fees, and a hearty call out to all douchebags who listen religiously but never donate.
	Love your work, love is lit and all that shit.
	Not no exit strategy.
	Hashtag no exit strategy.
	All the best, Sir Kevin G of the soon-to-be-updated ICW, formerly Kevin G of the Lake Lanier Boaters.
	The librarian in San Francisco comes in with 22222.
	And writes for Charlie Kirk, and for all the truth tellers like Adam and John.
	Love and hugs from the librarian in San Francisco.
	Eli the coffee guy is here with 20914, always hitting the date, 914, Bensonville, Illinois.
	And he says after the news of the past week, the hits just keep on coming.
	Whether developments in the Charlie Kirk assassination, drones in Poland, AFD politicians dropping like flies, revolutions in Nepal to riots in Serbia and citizens taking to the streets of London.
	One might think the world has gone mad.
	I urge everybody to keep calm and get back to basics.
	Just remember good old fashioned Americanism will save the day.
	Blue jeans, mom, apple pie, steak, potatoes, hot chicks, and cold beer.
	And of course, good old-fashioned coffee.
	Visit Gigawat Coffee Roasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order today.
	Stay sane, stay safe, stay caffeinated, says Eli the Coffee Guy.
	Yeah, and we finish with Lyndon Lupatkin in Lakewood, Colorado.
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	You could have waited until 1800, but you didn't, and I appreciate that so much.
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	Hey, I got a PM question time.
	By coincidence.
	What does that mean?
	Prime Minister.
	Yeah.
	Oh, we haven't done that for a while.
	We need to go back to it.
	Well, it's your beat, so you need to go back to it.
	But I do have one to whet your whistle with.
	This is a doozy.
	Prime Minister question time.
	Listen to this.
	Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
	Vaccinations were invented in Barkley in my constituency, 230 years ago.
	And there's a GP.
	I have jabbed literally thousands of children and adults.
	Um could the would the Prime Minister update the House about our new rollout of chicken pox vaccinations, which will further uh protect uh our children.
	And would he also uh agree uh with me to condemn other political parties that give platforms for people who spread false rumors about vaccination?
	Well, my honorable friend speaks with great authority, and I'm proud that Labor are protecting half a million children by rolling out the chicken pox vaccines.
	In stark contrast, the man who wrote reform's health policy has made shocking and baseless claims that vaccines are linked to cancer.
	And that's being endorsed by reform leader.
	Say laugh.
	They laugh at it.
	These dangerous conspiracies cost lives.
	But it shows that reform can't be trusted with RNHS.
	And meanwhile, Pfizer Moderna shares fall on report that Trump officials will link child deaths to COVID shots.
	Woohoo!
	Go ahead, Prime Minister question time.
	Yeah, that's coming apparently this week.
	Oh, I haven't heard that.
	It's on CMBC, which means uh there's gotta be something's going on.
	Yeah, because they yeah, it's a report from the Washington Post.
	Officials plan to include the claim in a presentation next week to a key vaccine panel that advises the centers for disease control and prevention.
	Whoa.
	That's uh that's quite the statement.
	Well, they're gonna have to have a lot of evidence to back This up and I'm sure they do.
	I think they do.
	I think they're they have 25 child deaths they're using as an example.
	So that's uh that's what I got there.
	Man, no kidding.
	So I've got a uh WTF clip, which is uh wow, that's fabulous.
	Uh Boothie attacks.
	Listen to this.
	Hoothy attacks.
	All right.
	This is also reported launching more air strikes against the Iran-backed Houthi terrorist group in Yemen.
	Targeting Houthi military bases, a fuel storage facility, and the headquarters of the Houthi Public Relations Department.
	So they're bombing the public relations department.
	Yeah, you gotta get them, get them good, man.
	I just thought when I heard that, I said, holy macro, they they finally figured it out.
	This is who you want to, but you should have bombed them in the first place.
	So who's bombing offenses to all the PR people that work?
	No, you know, and listen to the work as a for a living and listen to the show.
	But but who's bombing them?
	It was Israel.
	Of course.
	And I think these, yeah, public relations office.
	Where is the there it is?
	Let's get it.
	It's about time.
	Public relations.
	Well, of course, we don't want to bomb any people, but public relations.
	Was that a laptop?
	The Houthis.
	They they had some good stuff going.
	They had the the helicopter videos and remember that helicopter video and they jumped out like uh like in a video game, just like a video game every which way.
	Yeah.
	Here's another weird clip.
	Uh I thought this was interesting because there's obviously a lot of people uh I'm I'm guessing Americans, but it could be could be international.
	People with way too much money.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, yes, they're they're everywhere, those people.
	I wish they would listen to the show and not on our donor list.
	No, not that this guy in particular, this is the Star Wars memorabilia clip.
	Oh, hold on a second.
	By the way, 18 years, no one has ever done like a crazy donation, like a hundred grand or something.
	No, no, that's never happened.
	Where's my Bitcoin?
	And in a galaxy not so far far away.
	The legacy of Darth Vader lives on.
	Your destiny lies with me, Skywalker.
	The prop lightsaber he wielded in that father-son battle in the Empire Strikes Back, has been sold at auction for 3.6 million dollars.
	That makes it the most expensive piece of Star Wars memorabilia to be auctioned off.
	No word yet on the buyer who embraced this bit of the dark side.
	Oh, I can tell you who it is.
	That's an easy one.
	There's only one guy I know who would spend that kind of money on Star Wars memorabilia because he has a lot of it already.
	Glenn Beck.
	Oh, that's an interesting theory.
	I I've been in his museum.
	Yeah, you have.
	You've been one of the privileged few.
	He I mean, he has so what kind of stuff does he have?
	That's Star Wars.
	Oh, he has uh Starbucks.
	And he has three million to blow on a trinket?
	Dude.
	The good dude.
	Dude, Glenn Beck is not hurting.
	I mean, he has a he outside the building, he's got a custom Bentley, uh, like a beautiful uh, I think it's the continent uh the Continental R. Um his museum, uh besides he has a lot of American memorabilia, um President Lincoln's door, uh including the doorknob and the knocker.
	He has uh uh George Washington's compass and then a drawing compass.
	Uh he has from memor movie memorabilia, Dorothy's Ruby slippers.
	He's got uh a full-on Star Trooper.
	Uh I think he has a couple of Star Trooper uh, you know, the white dudes.
	Yeah, the the outfits.
	He's got um he's got stuff from Gone with the Wind.
	He has from who did uh uh uh I think from Spartacus.
	He has the uh the model ship they use for the for in the the the water scene.
	Oh uh, which was Cecil B. DeMille.
	He has Cecil B. DeMille's chair.
	I mean, he has one of the first electric chairs, which you know is weird to sit in.
	Very strange sensation.
	Go ahead, sit in it.
	I'm like, okay, just make sure Glenn doesn't trip over any switches anywhere.
	Um but he has you know, like origin, he has a lot of original, a lot of original Texas documents.
	Uh it it is traveling.
	He's taking it on the road, his uh his museum.
	And he's asked me to do something with it.
	I think he wants me to show up at some one of the one of the exhibits, which I'll gladly do.
	It it is a and he shares it with everyone.
	Your cobalt.
	He had hey, Glenn, I got something for you museum, buddy.
	Look at my look at this cube, man.
	This cobalt.
	He has um uh Rush Limbaugh's gold microphone.
	I'm just he does?
	Yeah.
	The original?
	Well, he says it is.
	I have no reason to doubt him.
	I know they made a bunch of them.
	Well EV made a bunch of gold.
	I think there's also a number of Ruby red slippers.
	But if if this was genuine lightsaber, that has Glenn Beck's name all over it for sure.
	He goes all over the world trying to buy stuff.
	Hey, power to him.
	At least what I like about Glenn Beck is that you do the he's a busy guy.
	I mean, he's got a million things going on.
	You do the show with him.
	He's like, hey, want to come see the museum, want to see the update.
	Your friend, your friend, you do your friend wasn't here last time.
	Yeah, he has needs to see it.
	He'll take you along right into the museum.
	And it does like an hour and a half, two-hour trip.
	That sounds great.
	Yeah, it is.
	He's a nice guy.
	I'm always appreciative of.
	And he's saving American stuff.
	I have like one piece of movie memorabilia.
	I have the kimono kind of uh jacket that Marlon Brando wore in the tea house of the August Moon that was sold at the MGM auctions and bought by somebody who gave it to somebody who gave it to me as a gift.
	Uh-huh.
	And that's about it.
	Oh, I friend of mine used to have that little uh the cuisinar or whatever the hell it was that was on the back of the of the uh of the car in Back to the Future.
	There was some sort of Oh, really?
	He has the real one, a real piece?
	Yeah, he's got the one he bought it from at the auction for the.
	That's cool.
	Yeah.
	Uh unfortunately he died.
	But I don't know who I guess is what.
	Yeah, but who do you need to go knock on the door?
	Hey, somebody's got that.
	I want my quees and art.
	What was it?
	It was a it wasn't a quiz.
	Microwave?
	Was a microwave?
	No, it was a little device of some sort.
	I I don't know, I forgot.
	But it was on the back, and you'd put something in it, and it grinded up and it made the car go fast.
	Um nothing but logic involved.
	It was some whatever it was.
	And I don't know too many people that collect uh movie mail.
	Oh, actually, Brunetti's got a pretty decent collection of stuff.
	Who's Renee?
	Brunetti.
	Brunetti.
	Oh, Brunette Brunetti.
	Dana, Dana Brunetti, yes.
	Yeah, Dana's got a collection of stuff, but it's all contemporary.
	It's nothing that I notice that it's old.
	No.
	Because he doesn't know what he's doing.
	Yeah.
	He needs what he's doing.
	You need to give him some advice on collectibles.
	I mean, he should be able to do it.
	He should be swimming and he should have, I mean, the easy one is script.
	I think I have a family guy script.
	Does that count?
	Yeah, that does count.
	Now, so I was at the meetup, you know, I was at the meetup, and there was a woman and her husband, and the guy, the guy brought up a new possible Zed thing.
	He's a he's a construction.
	We got a construction company.
	Yes, Zeds, go Z. They can't read a tape.
	A tape?
	Like tape measure.
	What?
	You got a tape measure?
	They can't, it's a clueless.
	He says they don't know what the hell it is or what do you're supposed to do with it.
	What do you mean?
	They don't understand that it's to measure length.
	Yeah.
	All of the above.
	Skeptical.
	But his wife was there telling me that she has a place in Idaho, and they go back and forth, and her mom lives up there.
	And her mom, this guy gets kind of busted my my preconceived notions.
	Her mom had a thrift store.
	And I was thinking, ah.
	So she liked to collect stuff, and the first thing you want to do is get it out of the house and you but you put up a thrift store and you can move it out.
	You get rid of the stuff.
	Yeah.
	But it turns out that that's not what happens if you own a thrift store.
	You end up collecting more stuff.
	I believe that to be true.
	Because all this cool stuff comes in.
	We got a note from uh a Zed's note, which by the way, we're not picking on Zeds.
	No, we're just pointing out some uh some foibbles.
	some foibles, yes.
	Uh this producer was in the Air Force.
	No, he is in the Air Force.
	And uh they use nothing but Microsoft Office products, and a lot of the Zeds are just so used to using tablets and iPhones when they sit at a computer, it's like a foreign language to them.
	The sitting and staring at the screen is very commonplace.
	It's like they forget how to read and function when in front of a computer.
	Uh they say, well, okay, what's next?
	And I'm sitting next to them reading the text on screen, which tells them exactly what to do next.
	He says, You're both right on the money with the assessment.
	Wanted to add this.
	The Zeds traditionally did not grow up with a computer in the home.
	When they asked these kids, they always say no.
	They had their phones and tablets and did everything, and it just makes sense, but they have no idea how desktop desktops work.
	Unless, of course, they were gamers.
	The gamers, he says, they're the best because they can actually build the computer right in front of your face.
	So, yes, they understand that.
	But the this I I find this to be a deficit in education.
	That they're only using tablets and touch screens.
	I mean, you should I'd say you should have, I mean, there's still no evidence that the mouse will actually anyone wants these mice, but you should know how to know how to use one.
	You know, and simple simple thing.
	I mean, I guess they can probably do Google Docs, maybe, but they don't understand them.
	This is a this is a problem for Microsoft.
	They have a whole generation growing up who don't know how to use their products.
	That's uh that's a problem.
	Well, I brought this up in the last show.
	They said, Do they have computer literacy courses in high school anymore?
	Apparently not.
	And it seems that they don't.
	No.
	No, it's uh it's not.
	Which I think is a huge mistake.
	People don't even I mean, you should not only be able to use a computer with efficiency and effectiveness, but you should be able to understand what's going on.
	So you know when you save a file and you go back to look for it, it's either if you and you don't find it, you had this happen to you on the last show.
	What happened to this clip?
	You should be able to know how to find it on the machine because it got obviously got put into the wrong folder or that all changed with iPads and uh an iPhone.
	There's you're not really saving anything into a folder structure anymore.
	You just save it, and then you hope that you're that your your word processing program or what is it?
	What do they use?
	Uh numbers.
	Numbers and uh what's the what is that instead of Word, they what does Apple use?
	Lotus one, two, three.
	Lotus one, two, three, no.
	Yeah, they just look for recent.
	You know, there's there's no concept of uh a file structure, uh file and folder structure on these devices anymore.
	You should take a look at it.
	Well, well, who am I?
	That's a mistake.
	Yeah.
	Because you need to know this because you're gonna unless you're just so you're stuck in a very short time loop.
	Pages, thank you.
	Pages, yes.
	Pages, yeah, I know about that.
	Yeah, you're stuck in a short time frame, and that's not good because you want to be able to archive stuff that you do on a computer so you can retrieve it in the future, like maybe five years later.
	Yeah, but they just they just type it into Google.
	Where's where's this document?
	And it comes back.
	I'm telling you.
	You hope.
	Yeah, well, uh obviously.
	I mean, I use uh I love this system that I use.
	Uh what's it called?
	SFX.
	Uh everything.
	Everything, the everything.
	I've told you about this.
	I think you might have installed it at some point.
	It's free.
	Uh, you can donate, which I do.
	Um uh everything.
	It's at uh void tools.com.
	This actually would be a good uh a good tip of the day.
	And man, that thing, it is so fast.
	That's how I find all of these when you say, hey, how about that clip from from 1783?
	And I'm talking about the year, not the episode number.
	And I can find it with this program because you can really refine the search and what it's looking for, and I have it set for audio files only.
	I mean, these are important, these are important skills to have.
	If you want to be a podcaster, and everybody wants to be a podcaster.
	They sure do.
	They all want to be podcasters.
	All right, we'll give you a couple more because we're running late today.
	We're over time.
	Okay, we went long on uh on the Anglo on the Anglo-Dutch system.
	Uh I I I let's just do these.
	These are the um I could do Baltimore crime.
	I'm gonna push that off.
	Let's I want to do one of these word things because this is kind of interesting because I actually knew this and learned it in high school, but a lot of people don't know where the word the word robot comes from and how it evolved into what we said new feature on NPR that I I kind of like.
	It's new I bitched about the fact they weren't giving me credit.
	Oh, yeah, right.
	So the word robot, let me just think.
	Where does the word robot come from?
	Uh it was is it a I'm just guessing was it an acronym?
	No.
	The ro it they actually tell you in here, and it's quite and I learned this in, I believe when I was a senior in high school, because we discussed the uh this it comes from the title of a play.
	Huh.
	Let's hear it.
	Everyone has an idea of what a robot is, but do you know where the word came from?
	Now NPR's Emma Bowman has the answer in the latest installment of our word of the week series.
	What what kind of talk?
	Is this something weird of the week seems a moment dude that what Melania Trump used the word just last week during a meeting with the White House task force on AI education?
	She was referring to artificial intelligence.
	The robots are here.
	Our future is no longer science fiction.
	Who wrote that for her, by the way?
	You're mean.
	You're mean to make Melania say the robots are here.
	Back in 1920, Czech writer Carol Chaypec first imagined the robot in his play, R U Ross' universal robots.
	In the satirical melodrama, the character Harry Doman runs a factory that churns out mechanical humanoid workers made of synthetic flesh and blood.
	The robots are not people.
	Mechanically, they are more perfect than we are.
	They have an enormously developed intelligence, but they have no soul.
	Is this a robot talking?
	Is that uh you know, I don't know what that voiceover they drop it in the blue.
	It may have been uh in the a line in the play that was read by AI.
	Oh, but I think it was a line in the play.
	Oh, okay.
	The work is what introduced robot to the English language.
	A negative connotation was built into the word from the start.
	Uh modernity is turning us all into machines.
	That's kind of the message.
	Tobias Higby teaches labor history at UCLA.
	He says ChaPEX work critiqued the socio-political climate of the time.
	The rhetoric of the Jowman character echoed that of Henry Ford, the industrialist who pioneered mass production with assembly lines.
	As technology advanced in autoproduction and elsewhere, the idea of the robot began evolving, and talk soon pivoted to how it would hurt workers by throwing them out of their jobs and denying them their livelihood.
	So robots became analogous to machines, not workers.
	That's how we got to Blade Runner, Terminator, and IROBO.
	Through it all, robot has held on to its same loose definition, says linguist Adam Alexic.
	There's always this implication of it is a forced worker.
	Well, I think they kind of uh skip over lost in space, going straight to Terminator.
	Yeah, you're right.
	Lost in space is a better example.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, with that Robbie.
	And Robbie the Robot was a very I was a fan of Robbie the Royal.
	He was in a lot of movies.
	Robbie the robot.
	The Jetsons had uh what was uh their their hazel hazel, the yeah, the robot.
	You kind of glossed over those.
	Well, uh they they also gloss over the whole topic here as they as it falls apart.
	So here we go.
	He says CHPX army of roboti, which translated to robot in English, derives from the old Slavic word robota, meaning servitude or forced labor.
	The robot usually carries the looming threat to extinguish the human race.
	It all goes back to R U R. You know, spoiler alert at the climax of the play, the robots gain self-consciousness and slaughter all the humans.
	Nowadays, robots are being marketed as our assistants, girlfriends, pals, and our equals.
	Interpretations of the robot that stray further than ever from the word's definition in its 100-year history.
	Emma Bowman, NPR News.
	Yeah, that's interesting because you can you just know that these AI companies will never use the term robot because they don't want you to think that you can control them, that you that they're your slave.
	They always want you to think, well, one day it's gonna eat you.
	It's gonna take over the world.
	We just need more money for more compute.
	They just need more money.
	The more you know in the morning.
	Learn something on the show.
	I'm gonna show my salute by donating to no agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
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	Oh no agenda.
	And as we wind down the last show before number 18.
	100.
	1800.
	Uh John is going to find we have a lot of things still coming up.
	We got end of show mixes.
	We have uh meetup, but no reports.
	It'll be quick.
	Uh, but we also have the tip of the day and Secretary Generals to welcome in and some nights.
	Oh, we got a lot to do, actually.
	John's gonna thank the rest of our supporters, value for value at NoAdender Donations.com.
	$50 and above.
	Go, John.
	So we start with dude named Ben at Kn QI, I think.
	Kingsville, Texas.
	K and Kingsville.
	K and QI.
	160.
	All right.
	And he's complaining that he hasn't uh donated recently.
	Well, you mean you mean Rita.
	Thank you.
	Dame Reed is up at the top as usual, 109.14 cents.
	She's in Sparks, Nevada.
	Uh Sir Greg Birch.
	There is the Port Angeles meetup report right there.
	He came in with a hundred.
	Uh, he was at the meetup.
	James Fitzgerald in Palmer Lake, Colorado, 9325.
	Uh, Kevin McLaughlin, 8008.
	He's the Archduke of Luna, lover of America, and lover of melons.
	Yay.
	Uh Craig Zarzike.
	Zarziki.
	Zozicki.
	Zarzicki in Saratona, Saratoga.
	Saratoga Springs, New York, 6851.
	Uh, that's an R.I.P. for Charlie.
	Uh Chad Hewitt in Folsom, California, another one for Charlie, 6640.
	And then Sir Lucas of Los Bits in Federal Way, Washington.
	55 6502.
	That's the chip donation.
	Yes.
	Christopher Dector, 5678.
	Coss Peland.
	Uh, 5650.
	That's 50,000 Satoshis, baby.
	There's your Bitcoin donation.
	And now we got we got a Bitcoin donation.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Uh Michelle Hampton.
	Oh, Michelle Hampton.
	Michelle in Hampton, New Jersey, 537.
	Wishes her boss a happy 50th.
	Kissing up the boss.
	Well, that's Kevin, and he wants some birthday karma.
	We'll give him some karma at the end.
	He introduced uh Michelle and her husband to the No Agenda Show five years ago.
	Well, good job, Kevin.
	Good.
	Uh Luke Moonell in Los Angeles, California, 5272.
	And now we're already, this is a short list, a very short list, actually.
	Superly, super short list.
	Superly short.
	Uh these are the 50s.
	These are 50s name and location.
	Gary Mao, Woodland Hills.
	Dame Patricia Worthington, Miami, Florida.
	Brandon Savoy and Port Orchard, Washington.
	Should have been to the meetup, Brandon.
	Diane Schwannevick in Johnsburg, Illinois.
	Kevin Dills in Huntersville, North Carolina, regular Commodore Crummy in El Cahone, California.
	And last on the list is good old Alan Bean, Baron Allen Bean in Beaverton, Oregon.
	And we want to thank these people for helping us out here on show.
	1799.
	Yes, and again, thank you to our executive and associate executive producer.
	Here's the uh birthday karma for Kevin.
	You've got karma.
	And we thank you all.
	Also, thanks under $50, which we'll not mention for reasons of anonymity to assure that.
	Noagenda donations.com is where you can support us any amount, anytime you feel like it.
	Anytime you say, I got some value from that show.
	That was valuable to me.
	I think I'm gonna send something back to them.
	Whatever that amount is, that's value to you, and that's all that we care about, and we really appreciate you.
	Uh go to knowagenda donations.com.
	You can set up a recurring donation, any amount, any frequency, noagendadonations.com.
	It's your birthday, birthday on No Agenda.
	Well, it's very short today.
	Only two Violet.
	Hello, Violet.
	This is your Uncle Adam and Uncle John.
	And we know your parents forgot, but they remembered now.
	And you turn six at the end of August.
	So we say, Happy birthday, Violet.
	And Michelle, there she is.
	Wishes her boss Kevin, a very happy one.
	Uh he hit her in the mouth, apparently.
	Turning 50.
	Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe.
	Uh so um we have uh one secretary general.
	There we go.
	Let's get our one Secretary General.
	Let's roll him out.
	All the Secretary General.
	Oh so the Secretary Jen Rolls on the No Agenda Show.
	I like that jingle.
	We have one Secretary General to congratulate, and that is Benjamin Minar.
	Benjamin, you need to let us know what you will be Secretary General of.
	We did not receive a note from you.
	Uh so go to No Agenda Rings.com and you will find a tab there where you can enter it.
	And welcome to that exclusive club of No Agenda Secretary Generals.
	All hills in the Secretary Generals, because they are the one Sunny Hail.
	Oh hell to the Secretary Generals, no agenda show.
	And two knights to bring up on to the podium today.
	If you can uh bring out your blade, bring it up.
	Bring out that million dollar lightsaber.
	There you go.
	That's beautiful.
	William Webb and Kevin G step up on the podium, gentlemen.
	Both of you today become knights of the No Agenda Round Table.
	Thanks to your support of the show and the amount of $1,000 or more.
	You can take as long as you need to get there.
	We'll gladly send you one of those handsome night rings.
	And I'm very proud to pronounce the K thee as Sir William Webb and Sir Kevin G of the ICW.
	For you, we have by request Opus One and Spaghetti Cabinara.
	And along with that, we've got some uh geisas and sake, vodka and vanilla, bong it suburbons, sparkling cider and escorts, ginger ale and gerbils.
	Uh what else do we have?
	We've got breast milk and pablum.
	Oh yes, and of course, always the mutton and the mead.
	And you too can go to no agenda uh rings.com, give us uh your ring size, very important you give that to us, and uh a place to send it to, and with it comes some sticks of wax because it is a signet ring, so you can seal your important correspondence with it.
	And we thank you for becoming knights of the no agenda round table.
	What's your name?
	Meetups!
	Snag-a-ponies!
	Well, we're also just whipping right through this one.
	Uh, one meetup this week on Thursday, Charlotte's Thursday Third Thursday monthly.
	It all the fun kicks off at seven o'clock at Edge Tavern in Charlotte, North Carolina.
	Again, that's Thursday.
	Coming up in the rest of September, Tilburg on the 19th, Bedford, Texas on the 20th, Fort Wayne, Indiana, the 27th, Indianapolis, Indiana, on the 28th.
	In October, the 2nd, Raleigh, North Carolina, Anchorage, Alaska on the 4th, Johnson City, Texas on the 10th, followed by Garden City, Idaho on the 11th, and Fredericksburg, Texas, on October 11th.
	That'll be at J6 or Jenny's place.
	Go to NoAgenda Meetups.com to find out more.
	And on the 25th of October, Los Altos, California.
	You definitely need to go to one of these meetups.
	This is where you find connection that always brings you protection.
	These people you meet will be your first responders in an emergency.
	Go to NoAgenda Meetups.com.
	Look 'em up.
	Look up where you live.
	If you can't find anything near you, don't fret.
	Don't despair.
	Just start one yourself.
	Put it on the calendar.
	Noagenda meetups.com.
	Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nice and days.
	Bomb bum bum.
	You to be where you want me.
	Tribute all hell.
	You want to be where everybody feels the same.
	Um bum.
	It's like a party.
	And before we get to the tip of the day, we do have to find a nice ISO to end everything up with.
	And John is uh back to obviously um 11 Labs, because I see a dad gum, and I'm gonna play it to listen to what it is.
	Dad Gummit, another doozy of a podcast.
	Yep.
	There you go.
	You should you try some different voices.
	I usually I was using The girl for a while, the sexy girl, uh Jennifer, and you hated it after a while before hearing it too much.
	So I went to Caleb.
	We were in church this morning, and uh, you know, church is like a show.
	They got their music segment, they got their they have a donation segment, and they have a video promo segment.
	And uh, and uh, and it's like uh for the women's ministry.
	I'm like, whose voice is that?
	They're using AI now.
	They're using AI for voiceover in the church.
	I'm like, oh man, we ran out of women.
	It was somewhat painful.
	Uh for you.
	Oh, no, I now that's the reason you in today's show.
	You said you've given up, you're gonna let AI do its thing.
	Yeah, I have to.
	Because the church you the church has the influence over you.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's the church that has influence.
	No.
	Uh I'll have to talk to Jesus about it, see what he says.
	Uh, here's my AI voice back.
	I don't think so.
	Uh, here is my first ISO.
	Am I living in the Twilight Zone?
	Yeah, that's not too bad.
	Okay, and then I have this one.
	I could literally talk about this for three hours.
	Ours.
	I hate I hate to say it, but I think my Caleb one is better.
	Then we'll go with the Caleb because I've given up on AI, but not giving up on the tip of the day.
	Great bus for you and me.
	Just the tip with JCD.
	And sometimes Adam.
	Okay, we're going to a sealant.
	A sealant.
	Oh, we haven't done a good seal.
	Rotation that we're going to have a product as a product uh show, the sealant silicon sealant.
	Sealant.
	Uh, from ASI, the ASI502 silicon sealant.
	This there turns out to be something you can pretty much seal anything with.
	If you watch the TV ads with the guy with the black goo and he puts it on everything, leaking boats and all this.
	Can you seal um your muffler with it?
	Yes, I think you can.
	It's what it's a new, it's a new uh kind of a uh a category of products called RTVs.
	RTVs.
	And RTVs are uh it stands for Room Temperature Vulcanization.
	Huh.
	And room and vulcanizing, uh, which is what invented to make uh a fake tires, it started, and it was always a high pressure, high temperature, sulfur related process that was a that was intense and room temperature vulcanization, it's kind of like like uh room temperature fusion, you know.
	It's kind of like uh you can't do that.
	Right.
	But you've got but you kind of can, and and Mimi's actually used this stuff.
	If you anyone has a blend tech blender, which is oh you can blend anything.
	Will it blend?
	The will it blend guys.
	Well, they have these the special mixing, the the thing at the top, whatever you call it, container that has the knife blades in the bottom.
	Yes.
	Those things, those things uh are specifically designed, and they are expensive.
	They like they cost like over a hundred bucks to get one replaced.
	She had one leaking on her.
	Well, the whole blender is like six or seven hundred dollars.
	The blenders are overpriced.
	Yeah, but it does the job, let me tell you.
	But it uh she used this RTV stuff on the on the crack in the in that thing, and and it is safe for food usage.
	It's got a special category it's safe.
	Really?
	Once it vulcanizes and becomes solid.
	It's a killer product, it comes in a tube, you can get it on Amazon and elsewhere.
	And once again, the name of that is the ASI502 RTV silicon sealant.
	It's a winner, everybody.
	Seal it and let us know how it went.
	There it is, John's tip of the day.
	Create fast for you and me.
	Just the tip with JCD.
	And sometimes Adam.
	Created by Dana Bernetti.
	All right, there you go, everybody.
	That's it for today.
	I'm sure there will be something, something else to discuss on Thursday.
	No doubt about it.
	As we've got our eye on the Anglo-Dutch Connection.
	The system.
	This is my new beat.
	I'm excited about it.
	If you stick around on your modern podcast app or Noah Genderstream.com, You will hear random thoughts up next.
	Uh jail reform roulette is the title.
	Uh I don't know what the guys are up to this time.
	Sure, that will be fun.
	Uh, thank you all for uh being with us today once again.
	Be nice to each other and stay tuned for the end of show mixes.
	Professor Jay Jones checks in.
	David Keck, the brand new end of show mix from him.
	He's got a studio back up and running, and Secret Agent Paul, we need more from Secret Agent Paul.
	And we'll see you again on Thursday.
	Coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country, right here in the Vineyards of Fredericksburg, Texas.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from Northern Silicon Valley, we're getting clear.
	I remain.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We'll be back on Thursday.
	Remember us at NoAgenda Donations.com.
	until then.
	Adios, mofos!
	A hooey hooey!
	And such.
	Beep, beep, beep.
	Allow me to sum up this week's news.
	Guess who's back?
	Hitler is back.
	Hitler.
	Hitler is back, everybody.
	How dare you?
	Let me take you back to 1939.
	Yes, I do.
	Hitler is back.
	21% of Gen Z Americans think Adolf Hitler had some good ideas.
	Actual American Nazis.
	It's a Nazi rally.
	How dare you?
	Stonus Human has said he would terminate the constitution of the United States.
	Out, out, out praising Adolf Hitler, saying Adolf Hitler did some good things.
	Certainly falls into the general definition of fascists.
	It's perfect.
	To celebrate the rise of Nazism, then Donald Trump would invoke Adolf Hitler.
	Back home to mommy.
	She goes back home to mommy.
	How is that casting aspersions?
	This is next level QAnon stuff.
	They'll say, you know, Trump supporters have sent on a dirty bomb in Philadelphia.
	They're counting on us to help him win.
	They're counting on us to propagate their clips.
	Vowed to be a dictator on day one.
	Someone needs to calm her down.
	Hitler did not do some good things.
	Just signed an executive order.
	Make you some news here when it comes to pharmaceutical ads.
	You don't have to exercise.
	Whatever goes wrong with you, you can fix with a truck.
	They're gonna have to record all their side effects.
	In some cases, I might create an advertisement that's four minutes off.
	Um prior to 1997.
	Advertising in magazines had page after page after side effects reported.
	Whatever goes wrong with you, you can fix with a drug.
	Drug.
	Drug.
	Pharmaceutical ads.
	We learned this morning that the FDA is now saying that it's okay to take it.
	Um of the most exciting things we're working on, you again using the tools that's the Sam and Massa are providing.
	Uh is our cancer vaccine.
	If you watch you're a racist, if the mail you're a pig, if this is you a privilege, skin is shaving if you'd been, and if you stretch your home with all big help and help if you're wrong.
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