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This is your award-winning Give My Nation Media Assassination episode 1791.
This is no agenda.
Grabbing the red carpet hand.
Broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA region number six.
In the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley.
Where everybody thinks Putin won.
I'm John C. Dvorak.
It's Craig Laden Buzzkill.
In the morning.
Oh man.
It's just tiring.
Everything is so tiring.
Everybody's all, "Whoa!" Oh, no.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's pretty much all I've heard for the last 36 hours.
So, did you see Margaret Brennan?
I have Margaret Brennan.
I have the clip.
With Rubio?
I have everything.
I'm ready to go.
If you want to hear it, I got them all.
I think Rubio holds his own.
But I don't know what it is.
I think people dislike him.
People just like him, but I think he's one of the best at argumenting.
Well, so let's, because yes, everything was rolling this morning on the Clip Machines.
And we start with Margaret Grennan with Grennan.
Grennan?
That's her new name, Margaret Grennan.
Margaret Grennan.
Well, she looks more like a Grennan than anything.
She does, she does.
Here she is with Fiona Hill just to get us into the mood.
Good morning, Margot.
Well, Fiona, you were an advisor during that infamous Helsinki summit in 2018.
You've spoken about that in the past.
I wonder what stop stop stop we have to mention so we so everyone's predisposed to thinking this way okay that that this woman who used to work for Trump but she's with Brookings yeah Brookings Institute yeah the very subversive the Brookings is right up there with the Council on Foreign Relations and uh the WEF and they're the ones that Nixon thought should be burnt to the ground this operation.
Yeah, well, that's the obvious reason why we have to put her on first just to get into the mood of, you know, of the globalist mainstream media who don't like at all, at all, at all what is taking place here.
What do you think about how this Alaska summit compared?
Well, it sucked, of course.
Well, obviously quite different in many respects.
Part of it was the fact that they decided to skip the one-on-one meeting and the lunch.
I mean, these are usually part of the sort of set of summits like this.
It's an outrage.
They skipped the lunch.
I'm not sure they skipped the lunch.
I was looking at the video.
There's no evidence that they had said there's no evidence.
They were gone.
They were out one-on-one for three hours.
I don't know what she's talking about.
And during that period of time the lunch was served.
Well, but you know, the someone were starving him out?
Somebody left the highly confidential menu documents on the printer, which just shows you how horrible this whole administration is.
I tried desperately.
The menu was leaked.
I desperately tried to find the clip and all I could find was Hindu Hindu Hindu Hindu Times and Times of India and those are just AI generated slop videos.
No one really did a story on NPR did an article, but no one really went all the way to do a I can't believe it clutching myching my pearls a bit.
So anyway, let's continue with this bit with Fiona.
And the press conference obviously was more of an announcement or a set of announcements, presentations by both leaders, much more by President Putin and more of a commentary by President Trump.
So there wasn't that free for all of press questions, which I'm sure was a bit disconcerting for you and others who were present there at Alaska.
It was very disconcerting for you, Margaret, that you couldn't ask questions.
But the optics weren't exactly great, as Congressman Crow has laid out for the United States and for President Trump again.
I mean, again, different.
But although it was presented as perhaps a show of power by being at a US Air Force base with the fight passing of the B-52s and other fighter jets.
It certainly looked much more like a show of appreciation for Vladimir Putin.
And so the optics were really much more favorable to Putin than they were to the United States.
It really looked like Putin had set the agenda there, the narrative, and in many respects the tone for the whole summit meeting.
What an idiot.
So first of all, it was a B-2 bomber.
Not a B-52.
B-52.
Like the B-52s.
Rock Lobster.
No, there was a B-2 bomber.
And I thought the staging was phenomenal.
The big Alaska 2025, you got your red carpets, you got Oh, the staging, the whole thing was very, looked like a TV show.
They had the whole thing set up that way.
The way it was set up is Putin had to walk across to meet a mile.
To meet his host, President Trump's a very big power move.
And he was happy, he's like, but I will say, I'm not entirely convinced this was the actual Putin.
I've looked at a whole bunch of different.
I'm like, I don't know if this is the Putin that would never go to the polls.
Because there was a lot of talk.
In fact, there were a couple of people on Twitter saying they should shoot him and and i'm surprised that they haven't been kicked off the platform for these kinds of things who shoot putin yeah there's a bunch there's a couple of lunatics i went to look at this this well i can't remember the guy's name because i had long ago blocked him to be some some lefty and yeah they advocated shooting him yeah and i found that to be distressing and the uh I think there
was a question as to the safety.
So it wouldn't be surprising me in the least if Putin, if that was not, that was the Putin double.
It didn't look like him.
He didn't have the same kind of scowling mouth.
His cheeks were a little puffier, which of course is because of the cancer that he has.
We all know that he's dying.
He's dying for it ever since the show began.
Yeah, so, but I guess if he was carrying the official message, then what difference at this point does it make?
But still, a little disappointing to see what I clearly thought was not the real Putin.
Anyway, continue with Fiona and then we'll go back to Jason Krao, who she was referring to just again so we can get the stage.
Who is the man who is a Democrat Trumpator from Aurora?, Colorado.
Yes, that's why it's so fun to listen to.
One more from Fiona here, because, you know, we're so we're just we're just out in sense, I tell you.
You know, the president has a team of advisers around him.
And in a traditional administration, those advisers would be setting the policy, they would be planning the optics, and they would be thinking through that.
Do you think that the president's team set him up for success here?
Oh, goodness gracious.
Well, it may well have been that one of the demands, because we've heard from Secretary Rubio, which I have to say, I think was a very fair assessment of where things are.
So it may well have been that one of the demands by the Russians to make any progress in moving forward.
was to actually have that kind of show of pomp and pageantry that is basically marks Putin's reentry.
Hold on a second.
When you fly our awesome B-2 bomber, because it just looks cool, not on the ground, those wonky legs don't look cool, but when it's flying over, it, I mean, that to me said, yeah, bitch, look up.
I mean, how can anyone see that differently?
Like, oh, we're honoring you, mister Putin.
I don't understand how you can, how that can be the takeaway.
If you've got a skewedkewed perspective into international affairs?
Maybe the Russians said to them in Moscow, either to Steve Whitcoff or to Secretary Rubio or to anybody else, that basically they wanted to have a major US-Russia bilateral summit appearance before they would move on to the nitty gritty of anything else in Ukraine.
That's, you know, to give them all the benefit of the doubt there.
But it all now depends on what comes out of this.
And I think, again, Secretary Rubio made it very clear that it's not going to be easy.
He was certainly downplaying any expectations of a major breakthrough, but he did say that there was something that might be possible.
And I think that's what's going to be the proof of whether this was actually worth all the effort that they went to in Alaska or not.
blah, blah, blah, blah.
Okay, so I'm playing these in reverse order just to get all the idiots out of the way.
So now we go to Jason Krow.
On Ukraine, you know that the US intelligence assessment is that the battlefield is turning in Russia's favor, despite the fact that Putin has to rely on Iran and North Korea to keep this thing going.
If neither President Biden By the way, I love that little Oh, they have to rely on Iran and North Korea is a dinky little country and Iran has issues of their own, but somehow the giant Russian Federation has to rely on those two, otherwise they'd fall apart.
Give me a break.
Well, but this is well, we'll get to the analysis.
Let's just take it as the hits come here.
Despite the fact that Putin has to rely on Iran and North Korea to keep this thing going, if neither President Biden nor President Trump were ever willing to commit troops.
Doesn't the Secretary have a point that it has to be hammered out at the negotiating table?
You know, this absolutely will end at a negotiating table, like most conflicts will.
But what happened on Friday was a historic embarrassment foring for the United States.
There's no other way to put it.
No other way.
Well, listen to what Marco Rubio and the president have said.
They keep on saying they're dedicating time.
They're making it a priority.
They're focusing their attention on it.
It's embarrassing.
In any negotiation, when you're trying to end an armed conflict, there's nothing more important than understanding what motivates your adversary, what is making Vladimir Putin tick in this instance.
Vladimir Putin doesn't care about the amount of time that we're allocating.
He doesn't care about a B-2 bomber flyover.
He doesn't care about a lineup of Well, wait a minute.
If this was all cow towing to Putin, why doesn't he care?
Then it was a failure, I I guess, if he doesn't care.
These people.
about the amount of time that we're allocating does.
He doesn't care about a B-2 bomber fly over.
He doesn't care about a lineup of F-22 fighters rolled out.
He doesn't care about anything of that.
What Vladimir Putin cares about is basically three things.
He cares about economic pressure in the form of sanctions.
He cares about political and diplomatic isolation, being a pariah state.
And he cares about military defeat.
Those are the three things that will end this conflict.
If he feels pressure on all of those three fronts, and this administration continues to be unwilling to do anything to assert pressure in any of those three areas.
Okay, there's no sanctions or anything like that.
But when did the representative from Colorado become such an expert on what Putin cares about other than just the drinking club, I guess?
Well, he's an ex-military guy.
He's on the House Armed Forces Committee.
Yeah, but so I guess he's an expert.
But then he just hates everyone in the M5M just hated the red carpet.
This one, this one, that is only for our Hollywood celebrities.
We don't do it for foreign heads of state.
They were freaked out about the red carpet.
They didn't like it.
Like, look at what happened on Friday.
Look at what happened, people.
US military personnel in uniform.
In uniform?
Oh, no.
Literally were on their hands and knees rolling out a red carpet for the most murderous dictator of the 21st century.
Somebody who is kidnapped, the most murderous dictator.
I thought that was Netanyahu.
You got it all wrong.
And is holding prisoner tens of thousands of Ukrainian children.
Somebody who started this whole war, right?
This bull sidesism that the administration is engaging in, that both sides need to come to the table and negotiate.
Ukraine is the victim.
They are the victim.
They didn't start this war.
Russia did.
And somehow we keep on acting like Vladimir Putin deserves to be brought out into the open like any other head of state.
This is a historic embarrassment and defeat for US foreign policy.
Oh, goodness.
These people are living in the 70s or at least their policies.
And then before we even get to Rubio, which is next, did you see Swalwell doing the rounds?
Yeah, Swalwell was doing the rounds.
I saw this wearing a Ukrainian T-shirt, kind of a drab olive, pretty much.
Zelensky's night shirt.
The beard looks good on him.
And he should brush his teeth.
Maybe that's just video artefacts, but looks a little skinky.
Anyway, here's his He looks like a bum.
Here's his one minute take.
Congressman, your sense of where this goes from here.
Well, if you're in Europe, you're quite worried now because you just saw the President of the United States achieve zero, and they will have to ask themselves, what more are they willing to do, knowing that they too could be thrown under the bus if Russia ever moved further west.
But as far as objectives, I was hoping to hear that there would be a trilateral meeting.
That didn't come out of this.
I was hoping to hear that there would be a ceasefire.
That didn't come out of this.
about the territory that would be proposed or exchanged by both sides.
That didn't come out of this.
Look, Alicia, I don't know if Donald Trump is or is not a Russian asset.
I do know that at press conferences like this and like at Helsinki, he certainly acts like one, and that is cold comfort for anyone in the United States, particularly in our military, that the commander in chief would be so flattering of and so charming to a ruthless dictator like Vladimir Putin.
So.
Where was he hold on a second?
Where was he flattering to Putin's the one who was flattering him.
Red carpet, baby.
The red carpet was flattering.
The pomp and the hello, my friend Volodymyr, that was it was just flattering.
They didn't treat him like the murderous dictator that he is.
And we just need to reset for one moment because it does not, it's, you know, history just gets papered over as it always does.
And it works in some cases.
Well, I have some reminder clips here.
Well, why don't we do a reminder clip before we get to Rubio?
Okay, well, here's the reminder clip.
This was on, this was on BBC, no.
I think it might have been BBC, but it could have been, yeah, it was BBC.
This is Trump Putin anal.
Oh, anal.
Not the regular opener?
No, this is the Trump-Putin anal.
You and this is the Russian United Nations ambassador.
And he is giving- It's just a long-running joke.
Don't be a joke.
I use that term because it's easier.
It makes the length of the clip name shorter.
It's the only word you spell correctly because it's all uppercase.
Just to make sure I know what it is.
But I'm with you.
Just helping people who are new to the show.
Oh, I was just naming the clip.
I didn't even think of the double entendre.
I know because we're beyond that, but sometimes there are new listeners.
Oh, I see.
Oh, we have a bunch of people with dirty minds.
Okay, well, anyway, here's the anal from Russia.
There is a different standpoint than...
and there are a lot of people who are now in Mariupol and who are very happy about this fact and you can't deny it.
So it depends very much on your standpoint and also you should.
take into account views of about seven million Ukrainians who found refuge in Russia after this whole thing started.
They also have their position.
They want to be identified as Russian speakers.
They want to preserve their belief in canonic orthodox church.
They don't want to be harassed by the Zelensky regime.
This is also their choice, and it should be respected.
There is a view, as you will well know, that President Putin has, to a degree, played President Trump here.
President Trump only a few days ago mentioned the potential for serious consequences for Moscow.
They've gone away now, haven't they?
President Trump is undoubtedly a clever man.
He takes decision on the basis of what he hears and what he processes, what he understands.
So he now had a very good opportunity for an in-depth discussion with President Putin.
I think this is fruitful for him and this is fruitful for us as well to better understand each other's standpoint.
And it's absolutely no surprise to me that President Trump made certain conclusions that would change his positions, which he took based on some distorted information and even a misinterpretation of certain things of our statements.
And who is this guy who's talking?
This is the Ambassador of the United Nations from Russia.
Yeah, okay.
All right.
Where's the history?
He goes on.
I have one more clip from him where he talks about the history and then I want to play Mearsheimer, who's another character in the play of, in the analysis play.
So let's go on.
What about The European position now, the EU's top diplomat, Kaya Kallis, once the Prime Minister of Estonia, has said, quote, the harsh reality is that Russia has no intention of ending this war anytime soon.
And she sees the summit in Alaska as President Putin's way of extending this process without actually resolving the fighting at all.
That's true, isn't it?
Leaving the witness.
Maybe it's true according to the distorted vision of Ms. Callas and her colleagues, because the problem in Europe now is that they don't have a strategic vision about what's happening.
They have only Russophobia and the notion of zero-sum games in their mind, and that's not something that you will have a positive outcome during the negotiations.
So you know that we from the outset were against any military exercises, any military efforts to solve the crisis we were making a lot of proposals which were rejected and then it started when when it started we didn't have any other choice but it started when you invaded ukraine and since then 13 and a half thousand civilians in ukraine have been killed with all sorry sorry with all due respect it started much earlier in 2014 when the west created anti-rush
as a result of anti-constitutional coup and it's very hard to deny it and that's the problem of europe that you want to to show that it all started in 2022 and it didn't happen in the vacuum there were a lot of things prior to this and it's very good that President Trump now realizes that it has a certain history which should be taken into consideration.
Isn't it good?
Briefly, if I may, with one more.
Sure.
Is President Putin willing to meet President Zelenskyy in the coming days and weeks?
President Putin never denied the possibility of meeting President Zelenskyy.
Is he willing to meet him?
That's a slightly different question.
I'm not President Putin.
I can't say whether he will.
Would you like him to meet him?
I'm judging from his statement and I'm processing his statement.
So he said that such a meeting should be well prepared and we are not yet there.
So that I think we're where we stand right now.
Dmitry Polyansky, thank you very much.
Russia's first deputy prime minister and representative to the United Nations.
So the peace that is just, I mean, he's he's alluding to it, but let's just call a spade a spade.
The United States, the nut jobs in the, I'll just call it the Victorian Newlands of the world, they're the ones that started this.
They're the ones that have hated Russia with just complete disdain.
F the EU, by the way, was what she said.
Who cares?
We just want to get these Russians.
We just want the Russians mainly to steal their stuff, you know, what was it, $5 billion from Chevron?
It's like, we're the bad guys here.
And now we're trying to set it all straight.
But no one remembers.
No one remembers past 2022.
There's no more history.
And we're just two old boomers who remember stuff.
Well, it's because this actually happened during the show here.
The show here of the No Agenda show.
Yes, it was the whole thing.
We had Newland gotten, you know, her phone tapped.
We had John.
John Brennan, the head of the CIA in Ukraine at the time.
Let's not forget the downing of the Malaysian aircraft, which was consistently blamed on Russia thanks to open source intelligence, such as Bellingcat.
Whatever happened to them.
Yeah, well, the funding stopped.
The whole thing was set up by us, and we're trying to get out of it.
We want to forget these past facts.
And can we play the Meersheimer clip?
Yeah.
And I want to, this is Meersheimer did a little.
Who is Meersheimer?
Meersheimer is a professor.
who's been in and out of the news a lot.
He's probably anti-Trump, probably a Democrat, but he's got good analysis.
And this was part of a long podcast, one of the spin-off podcasts.
And these guys always get these guys on.
And he thinks Trump didn't know what the hell was going on.
This is only part of a long hour or so of him yacking away, but this is a good part.
But just as a summary, he believes Trump didn't know what the hell he was doing.
He didn't understand the situation.
He's very short term memory.
Doesn't know anything about the 2014 thing, really.
It's just a lot of this, a lot of that.
And he makes the assertion that Trump made a mistake when he promised secondary sanctions on the oil going to India and China and found a way out of his own dilemma with this meeting.
And now he could back off of that idea because he realized it wasn't a good one.
And here's a sum summary that he kind of wraps with.
I think there's one very important dimension to what Trump said that we don't want to lose sight of.
Yes, called Dimension B. And that is, I think.
he's passing the torch to Zelensky.
Yes.
I think in a very important way, Trump has come to understand that he can't settle this, right?
There's no way he can agree Trump to a peace agreement and convince the Ukrainians, the Europeans, and the Western foreign policy establishment that that's the smart thing to do.
He can't convince Putin to agree to a ceasefire.
So what can Trump do?
And of course, what Zelensky says he should do is put secondary sanctions on Russia.
And we could talk about that because this meeting was in good part about secondary sanctions and Trump's interest in secondary sanctions in the past.
But Trump understands.
He was asked afterwards what this means for secondary sanctions.
There are going to be no secondary sanctions, at least at this point, says Trump.
So the sanctions are off the table.
The ceasefire is off the table.
Trump has basically agreed with Putin that you got to go directly.
He said this, you got to go directly to a peace agreement.
So Zelensky comes to the White House.
What does this mean?
He's basically saying, I believe that Zelensky and the Europeans can now sit down with Putin and they can work this out.
If they need me, I'll be there, but it's up to them.
I'm not going to cut a deal and then try and force it down the throats of the Ukrainians and the Europeans because they don't want to go along with me.
So if you listen to the press conference, this is what you were playing.
It's ultimately up to them.
He said he's going to call NATO.
He's going to call the Ukrainians.
But what happens is, and these were his words, it is ultimately up to them.
But that's exactly what the truth is.
And I think, before we get to Rubio here, the Europeans don't want peace.
They have no economy.
They, as Macron said, war economy.
As Pieper said, we're going into debt.
We're changing our car companies into tank building companies.
They need an enemy.
So whatever the outcome, it has to be unsettled because they need to continue to milk the European citizenry.
of their money and print it, which is the same thing, so also stealing, so that they can continue to have any kind of economy.
And maybe President Putin also kind of needs that himself, the way the sanctions are and not on Swift and, you know, yeah, he can still sell oil to China and India and doesn't really want secondary sanctions.
But the entire Western, and so are we, by the way, we're now selling the gear.
Well, at least we're not giving it away.
No, that's better.
But, you know, there's no outrage over our stuff killing people.
Okay.
And that was the whole NATO 5%.
It was first 2%.
We're not doing it.
Then I want 5% because I really want 3.5.
He gets 3.5.
They're buying it from us.
They make hundreds of billions of euros available to buy our stuff.
So we're right now in a global war economy and we actually have another out.
We don't really need this one because we've got China, Taiwan, China ships, submarines, bases.
So we're covered.
And I don't think any of these people don't really want a deal, at least not one that doesn't include war machinery.
Your thoughts, John C. DeVore, I go.
What say you?
Well, we have both concluded that the Europeans are warmongers in general.
They have a war mentality.
They've always had this.
It's been a problem with them all the time.
This is one of the reasons our country was formed in the first place.
True.
And to get away from them, and that's why our founding father says, let's stay out of these guys' business because they're just going to kill each other.
That's what they like to do.
And that's what they're going to continue to do.
I see no evidence of the contrary.
that's going to change.
So Marco Rubio, who, you know, of course, if you walk around Fredericksburg and say Marco, oh, can't trust him.
He's a snake.
He's a snake in disguise.
And why is that?
I have no idea.
How has he done that snake like dancing?
He was a dancer.
He was a dancer.
That's suspicious.
That's Ripper.
Suspicious.
This Chippendale.
I didn't even know if he was a Chippendale.
He probably didn't make it to the Chippendale Leagues.
But he's very gracious in this interview, first by of all, he sounds like, Oh my God, I can't believe I have to talk to this woman here.
This is horrible.
Yes, he doesn't like talking.
And then he just skips over the whole what really started this, which is kind of gracious towards his predecessors, which President Trump is not, but here we go.
Good morning to you, Mr Secretary.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Oh, good morning.
Oh, good morning.
I really why am I here?
Good morning to you, Mr Secretary.
Good morning.
Thank you.
Vladimir Putin did not give President Trump the ceasefire he sought, and now Putin says the root causes of the conflictct have to be resolved in a peace agreement.
Isn't the root cause the fact that Russia invaded in the first place?
Oh boy.
Oh boy.
Well, ultimately, yeah.
But I mean, what he means by root causes is his long historical complaints that we've heard repeatedly.
This is not a new argument.
He's been making this for a long time, and it's the argument that it's Western encroachment.
I don't want to get into it.
It's just so long.
But the bottom line is, see, but see, this bothers me a little bit.
I don't want to get into it.
You need.
Yeah, he could have brought the 2014 thing up.
He could have brought a lot up.
And, and, but again, I just think he's being gracious, or I don't know, but towards the Biden administration.
But okay, all right, we'll just I don't want to bring it up.
What about moving them forward?
It's an encroachment.
I don't want to get into it.
It's just so long.
But the bottom line is that all of us, you know, we're not going to focus on all that stuff.
We're going to focus on this.
Are they going to stop fighting or not?
And what's going to take to stop the fighting?
And what's going to take to stop the fighting, if we're being honest and serious here, is both sides are going to have to give, and both sides should expect to get something from this.
And that's a very difficult thing to do.
It's very difficult because Ukraine obviously feels, you know, harmed, and rightly so, because they were invaded.
And the Russian side, because they feel like they've got momentum in the battlefield, and frankly, don't care.
They don't care how many Russian soldiers die in this endeavor.
They just churn through it.
So I think what the president deserves a lot of credit for is the amount of time and energy that his administration is placing on reaching a peace agreement for a war that's not a war that started under him.
It's half, you know, it's on the other side of the world.
That said, I mean, it's relevant to us, but there are a lot of other issues he could be focused on.
So tomorrow we'll be meeting with President Zelenskyy.
We'll be meeting with European leaders.
We just met with Putin.
He's dedicated a lot of time and energy because he has made it a priority of his administration to stop or end war, stop wars or prevent them.
And right now, this is the biggest war going on in the world.
It's the biggest war in Europe since World War II.
We're going to continue to do everything we can can to reach an agreement that ends the dying and the killing and the suffering that's going on right now.
Okay.
So, by the way, I think someone slipped him some gigawatt because he's sparking up a little.
I should wake up here.
This is important.
Important.
This is going to be played on the No Agenda show.
I have to get some clips for the boys.
Well, I mean, you know this well, how long these kind of diplomatic negotiations often take.
President Trump was telling European leaders what was discussed.
Was Putin demanding control of Donetsk, a region in the east that his forces do not fully hold?
And the UK estimates that taking that full area could take as long as another four years.
Putin also is demanding Russian be an official language in Ukraine and something regarding Russian Orthodox churches.
Did the U.S. something, something, something about Orthodox?
Yeah, I had it right.
Those areas are Russian-speaking already.
Yeah, and they want to be Russian.
And they want to be Russian and they want to keep speaking Russian because you have to remember that the Ukrainian government made it the Ukrainian language the official language.
It made it a crime to speak Russian.
It made it a crime to speak Russian in the Russian-speaking areas.
And then they didn't want all the Ukrainians speaking Russian like she said.
They don't want all the Ukrainians speaking, being part of the Russian Orthodox Church like she said, she's full of shit.
But my question from a media analyst standpoint, why are they like this?
Is this only to hate on Trump for midterms for Democrat wins?
Or is this because they're part of the war machine and just want more.
more war in the world, which is good for overall business.
It's good for her business too.
If everything's great dot google dot com?
Tell me, there's one happy story.
There's no happy stories in there.
So, but is that why?
Is the globalization the first reason?
The second reason is just a bonus.
Okay, but they hate Trump because of the things he's doing, not just because of who he is, because of the things he's doing, which is counterintuitive to the war of the world.
So ultimately, it all comes down to they want war, they want strife, they want people angry at each other.
Am I missing something?
Well, what you're missing., I think, is that the Democrats in general were always the peace-nicks.
And it had the Roe reversal took place where they're pro-war.
And I don't believe that they actually want to be pro-war.
They're just kind of in that position because Trump is such a peace-nic.
He's like a 60s peace-nic.
And they don't know what to, they're beside themselves, but the whole thing they figure can be resolved by winning the, the, They think that's the solution to everything.
Right.
So that they can go back to being warmongers.
It all comes down to war.
I think they'd rather go back to being peaceniks, but they have to rid themselves of this Trump thing.
Oh, please.
The military-industrial complex has a hold of them.
The military-industrial complex may be controlling them, but I don't think that they're...
Oh, they have good hearts?
Well, I don't know if they have good hearts or not.
I'm not a mind reader, but they've put themselves in a position where it's just awkward.
The Democrats are in a very awkward philosophical position, and they don't know what to do about it.
That's one of the reasons they're so screwed up.
Okay.
Well, we continue.
Language in Ukraine and something regarding Russian Orthodox churches.
Did the US accept all of what Putin laid out at that table?
I'm not going to tell you, honey.
The United States is not in a position to accept anything or reject anything because ultimately it is up to the Ukrainians.
They are the ones that Russia has to make peace with.
Well, the president said he would come to Ukraine.
It is up to the Ukrainians to make these conditions.
Well, the agreements were that we were going to try to do things like, for example, get a leader, a leader's meeting.
We have to make enough progress so that we can sit down President Zelensky and President Putin in the same place, which is what President Zelensky has been asking for, and reach a final agreement that ends this war.
Now there were some concepts and ideas discussed that we know the Ukrainians could be very supportive of in that meeting.
I don't think it's we're not going to negotiate this in the media.
I understand that everybody wants to know what happened, but ultimately there are things that were discussed as part of this meeting that are potentials for breakthroughs, that are potentials for progress.
We'll be discussing that more in depth tomorrow with our European allies, with the Ukrainians that are coming over.
We'll be discussing all of these things because ultimately we do need to find areas where we're making progress and try to begin to narrow the gap between the two sides.
But there's a reason why this war has been going on for three and a half years, and that is when it comes to the big issues here, there are still some big differences between both sides.
Let's see how much progress we can continue to make.
It's it's it's it's not been easy, but it's something the president has made a prior a priority, peace.
And he deserves a lot of credit for that.
And I think another part of the problem here is that because it's the Trump administration, the media is not read in on everything continuously all the time from leakers and just handed a memo, you know, here's what was discussed, here's your story, don't worry about doing any work.
The only thing they got truly from the president was this.
I believe we had a very productive meeting.
There were many, many points that we agreed on, most of them, I would say, a couple of big ones that we haven't quite got there, but we've made some headway.
So there's no deal until there's a deal.
I will call up NATO in a little while.
I will call up the various people that I think are appropriate.
And I'll, of course, call up President Zelensky and tell him about today's meeting.
It's ultimately up to them.
They're going to have to agree with what Marco and Steve and some of the great people from the Trump administration who've come here.
But we had an extremely productive meeting and many points were agreed to.
There are just a very few that are left.
Some are not that significant.
One is probably the most significant, but we have a very good chance of getting there.
Okay, but before we come back to Rubio, I just want to go on a little side trip here to our anti constitutional douchebag, Farid Zakaria, who of course whenever it's something of international concern, we need to bring Farid Zakaria in because, you know, he's an elite and he knows everything.
And he just took it one step further with Tapper.
Farid, thanks for joining us.
So President Trump called the meeting extremely productive.
He definitely tried to put a positive spin on, let's be frank, he was trying to bring peace and end a war.
I mean, there's nothing wrong about his goal.
Well, no, but that's wrong.
We can't have peace.
But it does appear that there really wasn't anything concrete achieved.
No ceasefire, no sanctions relief or sanctions imposed.
We don't really know where we are other than Putin got himself a summit in Alaska.
What do you think of what we just saw?
Yeah, I think you have it right, Jake.
Look, the atmosphere of the entire summit was somewhat cringeworthy.
The fact that Putin was being welcomed on American soil, the fact that Trump gave him literally a red carpet treatment, the kind he has rarely given to any, you know, a democratic ally of the United States.
You can tell that Trump What?
This is it's unbelievable.
This guy who gladly walks the red carpet of the White House correspondence dinner is the atmospheric the atmospheric was cringeworthy, I tell you.
It was somewhat cringeworthy.
The fact that Putin was being welcomed on American soil.
The fact that Trump gave him literally a red carpet treatment, the kind he has rarely given to any, you know, a democratic ally of the United States.
You can tell that most democratic allies are welcomed by the president.
Look at the red car front door of the White House, this was pretty remote compared to that.
Yeah, up in the middle of nowhere in Alaska at an air force base.
With our jets and our bombers flying over.
So it was just so red carpet.
Trump thinks Putin is, you know, is an equal, is this big shot on the world stage.
And he's been treated by the rest of the West as a kind of pariah.
I mean, he can't go to Europe because he'd be arrested.
And so there was a lot of the atmosphere that was cringeworthy.
But I will say, on the most important thing, at least for me, it was positive that there was.
I think everyone was positive that there was no deal.
I think everyone was worried that there was going to be a deal in which Trump was going to make major concessions.
I don't think anyone thought Putin was going to make any concessions.
The fear was that Donald Trump was going to cave in various ways, sell out Ukraine, sell out the Europeans, and he didn't do that.
Oh, we dodged the bullet.
At least he didn't sell out the Europeans.
This Zakaria guy is unbelievable.
Now in this next bit, in this next bit, I didn't get this.
I missed this one.
Guys, it popped this literally popped up in the feed.
So I'm very, very grateful for the algorithm today.
Do you remember our prop bets?
because Zakaria runs through a couple of these.
And I don't really remember our prop bets.
Do you remember the ones that we had?
I'm sorry?
Our prop bets.
Oh, the prop bets.
Yeah.
Do you remember what we had on different prop bets?
I think I have the list here.
Do you have the list?
Because Zakaria brings up a few of them.
And as I was listening to him, like, Okay, well, let's see.
It's short, so we'll just run through it.
You know, I'm at least relieved.
Now, when you watch it, what you saw was Putin had clearly decided his strategy was he was going to to make no substantive concessions of any kind, but he was going to really amp up the flattery of Trump.
So he says, if Trump had been president there would have been no war, which is easy for him to say now.
Trump should get the Nobel Prize.
He's amazing.
He didn't say that.
He didn't say that.
I watched That was one of the prop bets.
That was a prop bet, but he didn't say that.
Now he did say No, he didn't.
I don't remember him saying that.
Neither.
And I got the prop bet right here.
I watched the whole thing.
In fact, the vote to endorse Trump for Nobel Prize was five to two.
Yeah, but it didn't happen.
So we would have lost our nuts on that.
But he did say, and this was the very end of the, as you call it, our wage.
Wait, wait.
Hillary Clinton said he should get the Nobel Peace Prize.
Correct.
She said she would endorse him.
Yes.
And she looked haggard when she said it.
Whoa, boy.
So what happened to ever since her girl married the Soros kid?
Hillary's appearance has gone downhill.
Well, it's because of lack of attention.
Or adrenochrome, one or the other.
All right.
So he says if Trump had been president, there would have been no war, which is easy for him to say now.
Trump should get the Nobel Prize.
He's amazing.
He didn't say he was amazing.
I specifically listened to the whole thing.
Did not say he was amazing.
All that, you know, it was cheap and easy rhetoric for Putin, but he laid that on thick.
But at the end of the day, he made no concessions.
So Trump comes back empty-handed, but, you know, in a way, better to come back empty-handed than to have given away, you know, a quarter of Ukraine.
Like, I mean, where does he come up with this?
There's no we can't give away Ukraineine.
We can't give, we don't have these powers.
This is Brennan also did the same thing.
Why didn't Trump demand?
Why didn't Trump demand?
Yeah, because we can't make demands.
This is not, because this is not our, we're not in this war, except for the fact that we started it anyway.
We started it, except for the fact that we started it, but that's beside the point.
It didn't, we didn't, but this is the thinking of the globalists.
The globalists think when they're in charge, they do control everything.
That's their thinking.
That's why they're always saying, Trump is a dictator.
Yeah, what you say, being yourself.
Like we want to be the dictator, not Trump, because that guy, he just makes, tries to make peace bad.
No, Zaccaria is exactly in the same circles of people who would, who would think they are in charge of the world like that.
So now we go back to Margaret Brennan with Rubio, because we now know that, uh, uh, Volodymyr.
or as Tina called him this morning, Voldemort.
She didn't do it purposely, but it kind of liked it.
So Voldemort is coming tomorrow.
And all of a sudden, all of the EU leaders are coming., Queen Ursula Kier Starmer, of course, we're going to have Mark Rutte will be there to make sure that we still are buying weapons.
We have to be afraid of Russia because they will be the threat, the threat for at least the next ten years.
So we have to keep them in the threat because I'm a sales guy.
And Margaret Brennan thinks that this is for the following reason.
This is the best one.
This is good.
President Trump told Fox News his advice to President Zelensky is to make a deal.
Russia is a very big power and they're not.
You know, there is concern from the Europeans that President Zelensky is going to be bullied into signing something away.
That's why you have these European leaders coming back up tomorrow.
Can you?
No, it isn't.
That's not true.
That's not true.
This is so good.
This is like the fact that she just you know, but you know that all the European leaders, Queen Ursula, they have to come with him because they're afraid that he'll be bullied like the last time he was bullied in the White House in the Oval House.
This is what I should mention this.
This is great.
Which is that they have been replaying, the media has been, all the media has been replaying that old clip where of course, yeah.
Bullied.
Bullied.
He didn't really bully him, but he gave him grief.
Yeah.
In the White House.
It's old.
And then they had a lot of meetings ever since.
This was the original meeting when he, Trump was irked because Zelensky wouldn't even wear a suit.
Kim's in there and he starts talking like an idiot.
Well, no, he was, they were supposed to sign the deal and the mineral deal and he didn't sign it.
Right, he didn't sign the deal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, and by the way, I have.
But they keep playing this old, they've been playing this old clip all last week.
It's entertainment.
For what Brennan just said.
It's entertainment, of course.
That was the teaser.
Now we got, we all know because we've played the clips of the bullying.ing, it's going to happen again.
Can you No, it isn't.
That's not true.
That's not true.
But that's not why that's not true.
They're not coming here tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied.
They're not coming here.
That's February over the television cameras where President Zelensky Do you know how many meetings you've had since then?
Oh, no.
I know.
And I was just up there last week.
I had a bunch of meetings.
I had a bunch of meetings.
I had a meeting with Vladimir Putin where red carpet rolls rolls round.
No, but with Zelensky.
We've had more meetings.
We've had we've had one meeting with Putin and like a dozen meetings with Zelensky.
So that's not true.
They're not coming here tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied.
They're coming here tomorrow because we've been working with the Europeans.
We talked with them last week.
They were in the UK over the following the previous weekend.
And they said President Trump was going to demand a ceasefire.
As early as Thursday.
But you said that they're coming here tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied.
They're not coming here tomorrow.
Oh, this is such a stupid media narrative that they're coming here tomorrow because Trump is going to bully Zelensky into a bad deal.
We've been working with these people for weeks, for weeks on this stuff.
They're coming here tomorrow because they chose to come here tomorrow.
We invited them to come.
We invited them to come.
The President invited them to come.
And we'll go to Queen Ursula in a moment, who spoke this morning.
But one more, one last clip here from Marco.
Because Marco, finally the gigawatt kicked in.
But the President told those Europe European leaders last week that he wanted a ceasefire.
The President went on television, said he would leave the meeting if Vladimir Putin didn't agree.
He didn't leave the meeting.
He was on.
He said there would be severe consequences if he didn't agree to one.
He said he would leave in two minutes.
He spent three hours talking to Vladimir Putin and he didn't get one.
He was getting his instructions from Vladimir Putin, of course.
So there's obviously something, things happened during that meeting.
Well, because obviously things look, our goal here is not to stage some production for the world to say, Oh, how dramatic he walked out.
Our goal here is to have a peace agreement to end this war, okay?
And obviously we felt and I agreed that there was enough progress.
Not a lot of progress, but enough progress made in those talks to allow us to move to the next phase.
If not, we wouldn't be having Zelensky flying all the way over here.
We wouldn't be having all the Europeans coming all the way over here.
Now understand and take with a grain of salt.
I'm not saying we're on the verge of a peace deal, but I am saying that we saw movement.
Enough movement to justify a follow-up meeting with Zelensky and the Europeans.
Enough movement for us to dedicate even more time to this.
You talk about the sanctions.
Look, at the end of the day, if peace is not going to be possible here and this is just going to continue as a war, people will continue to die by the thousands.
The president has that option to then come in and impose new sanctions.
But if he did this now, the moment the president puts those additional sanctions.
That's the end of the talks.
You've basically locked in at least another year to year and a half of war and death and destruction.
We may unfortunately wind up there, but we don't want to wind up there.
We want to wind up with a peace deal that ends this war so Ukraine can go on with the rest of their lives and rebuild their country and be assured that this is never going to happen again.
That's the goal here.
We're going to do everything possible to make that happen if it's doable.
It will require both sides to make concessions.
It will require both sides to get things they're asking for.
That's how these deals are made, whether we like it or not.
I got two more from Whitcoff because Whitcoff has been the main negotiator.
He's met with Putin several times.
All these people like Rubio and Whitcoff, they do these interviews like they have a gun to their head.
I'm like, okay, well, listen, I'll do Brennan.
And you got to do Tapper.
Oh, man, why do I have to do Tapper?
He's such a douchebag.
Who was in the room for the Trump-Putin summit and it was a three-on-three and he was one of the three.
He has also met face-to-face with Vladimir Putin many times, including earlier this month in Moscow.
Ambassador Whitcoff, always good to have you on.
Thank you so much.
So President Trump called this an extremely productive meeting and said many points were agreed to.
You were in the room.
Can you give us two specific points that were agreed to.
Why does he only ask for two?
But what is this?
Did they pre-agree?
Listen, producer, I'm going to give Tapper two, okay?
That's all I'm giving him.
I mean, that's a very odd way to stage this.
That is very strange.
He could have said, can you tell us some or anything?
A couple.
A couple.
A couple would have been better.
Anything but specifically two.
We were agreed to.
You were in the room.
Can you give us two specific points that were agreed to?
We agreed, Jake.
First of all, thank you for having me and good morning.
We agreed to robust security guarantees that I would describe as game changing.
We didn't think that we were anywhere close to agreeing to Article 5 protection from the United States, legislative enshrinement within the Russian Federation not to go after any other territory when the peace deal is codified, legislative enshrinement in the Russian Federation not to go after any other European countries and violate their sovereignty.
So we agreed to, and there was plenty more.
Oh.
So Tapper goes, well, oh, that was so it's like a shocker.
But that was the most informative one minute of audio tape I got.
He said, there will be Article 5 like protections.
Just to remind everybody, NATO Article 5, if you strike one.
You strike one of us, you strike all of us.
We all band together as NATO and we come into Kiki.
You get bombed, exactly.
So now, Article 5 like protection is a huge concept.
I'm not sure what it means yet.
And we're not even sure.
Well, but hopefully.
Mitkoff knows what it means.
Well, bear with me, because I think we can find out what that is.
Article five like.
So that doesn't necessarily mean NATO, but Article five like.
And the second thing he says is it will be enshrined in their legislation, which I guess means legally they'll agree to it that Ukraine won't take any territory after this deal is done and Russia won't take any territory.
That to me sounds like there's a real deal in the making.
And all Tapper does is, huh.
And then listen, I don't.
I know.
Like, huh, because can you elaborate more?
He could have said he could.
Oh, yeah.
What do you think he said?
Because I have the exact follow-up.
What did he say after that statement, which was the most informative of all of the talks coming straight from the guy who was there, who speaks English without the weave?
I think I'm like, oh, that I can guess exactly what he said.
Okay.
He said, he says, huh, which is the opening.
Huh?
Can you, uh, is there, so is that assured?
Was it, does that look like that's the kind of the deal that's going to go through and you think that'll be part of the final uh the final uh determination something along those lines you think that so you that so that sounds like a very positive thing you think that's going to happen that's what he said obviously uh my my partner is being very facetious here on the show because he knows that's what i would do he knows he knows that it's a little show.
It's CNN.
It's Jake Tapper.
No, that's not what he did.
We go from the disdain, huh?
into his next bit.
Oh, here's what President Trump said going into the meeting about the need for a ceasefire.
Let's roll that tape.
I want to see a ceasefire rapidly.
I don't know if it's going to be today, but I'm not going to be happy if it's not today.
Everyone said it can't be today, but I'm just saying I want the killing to stop.
I'm in this to stop the killing.
Obviously, the ceasefire didn't happen.
Last night, Russia launched more than sixty aerial attacks across Ukraine, killing at least five people, injuring eleven.
President Trump had said if he didn't like what he was hearing in the meeting, he would walk out.
Why didn't he, once it became clear Putin was not going to agree to a ceasefire, which would end the bloodshed now?
This is the meeting they had.
All right, everybody.
We're going to go after the fact that Trump, Trump, the orange man, that he said he would walk out.
Margaret, you got that?
Yeah, I got that.
Martha, you got it?
Yeah, I got that.
They all did it.
You said he would walk out in two minutes.
He didn't walk out.
What's wrong with him?
What does Vladimir have on him?
Do they have compromise?
That's the meeting they had.
Yes, it's exactly that you're exactly right that they all asked the same question.
They all did the exact same thing in this regard.
Yep.
Jake, the one thing, we were there as a mediator.
So we were obviously advancing the Ukrainian view.
The one thing that the president cannot agree to on behalf of the Ukrainians is any sort of land swap.
That is for the Ukrainians.
They've asked us or stated that to us, and the president is respectful of it.
But that's why we're moving so quickly to a meeting on Monday at the Oval Office with President Zelensky.
That being said, we covered almost all the other issues necessary for a peace deal.
So I described the ceasefire as the interim move where you would then negotiate towards a peace deal.
We made so much progress at this meeting with regard to all the other ingredients necessary for a peace deal that President Trump pivoted to that place.
Now, we're not waiting a week for a meeting with President Zelensky and the European leaders or two weeks or three weeks.
We're going into a meeting with them within 48 hours of ending this meeting in Alaska.
So we are intent on trying to hammer out a peace deal that ends the fighting permanently very, very quickly, quicker than a ceasefire.
Okay, so.
Now we go to Europe.
This morning, Queen Ursula and Prince Zelensky had their little little talk in Brussels in the EU Commission press room and Zelensky, I mean, he he set puppy dog eyes the whole time towards Queen Ursula while she's talking, puppy dog eyes.
And she's clearly on a riser.
She's got a she's got a standing on an apple crate and she's just like, this is my moment.
This is my moment.
I am the queen.
I'm Queen Ursula.
And she's going to lay it out and I think we find out what the Article 5 like security is going to be.
I'm very glad that I'm able to accompany you and other European leaders for the meeting tomorrow.
So you don't get bullied.
That we do have with the US president in the White House.
Since the beginning of Russia's brutal invasion.
Brutal invasion.
What happened to full scale?
Lady, stick to the script.
Brutal invasion.
Europe has been at Ukraine's side, united, and we will support you for as long as it takes for just and lasting peace.
And this peace must be achieved through strength.
Let me touch upon the main points.
First, we must have strong security guarantees to protect both Ukraine and Europe's vital security interests.
Ukraine must be able to uphold its sovereignty and its territorial integrity.
There can be no limitations on Ukrainian armed forces, be it cooperation with or she, by the way, is the negotiator in this.
So you're hearing the actual Ukrainian talking point.
So they have to be able to have their own army, which I'm sure Putin's fine with.
And Europe wants that too.
They want to arm those boys up to the hilt, but not with the traditional things.
There can be no limitations on Ukrainian armed forces, be it cooperation with or other third countries or assistance from other third countries.
No limitations for Ukrainian armed forces.
As I've often said, Ukraine must become a steel porcupine, undigestible for potential invaders.
We're back to the steel porcupine bit.
This is great.
Ukraine has to be a steel porcupine with all our stuff that we're going to buy from America and give to you.
We welcome President Trump's willingness to contribute to Article 5 life security guarantees for Ukraine and the coalition of the willing, including the European Union, is ready to do its share.
We know that the work of defending Europe is first and foremost our responsibility and we've been working on it hard to speed up and scale up as we increase Europe's defense capability.
Through the SAFE instrument, we are ensuring that the defense needs of Member States and Ukraine can be matched and that Ukraine's industrial defense base is strengthened.
I am thinking in particular of drones here.
This is in our mutual interest and I intend to travel to the frontline Member States in the coming weeks.
At the same time, we continue to support Ukraine's path to its membership in the European Union.
This in itself is also a security guarantee.
There you go.
So Article 5 like security guarantees means that they have a path into the EU and it would be the EU would be the NATO like organization in this case for the Article 5 like security guarantees.
It's going to be the EU and since they don't have any planes or bombers or tanks, they're going to build drones.
They're going to start a drone industry in Ukraine.
That's been brewing for a long time.
No, we've already had the clips on it.
They have it.
They already have it.
Yeah, but they have a high-end.
They have smart aeronautical engineer.
That's where Antonoff is.
Yes.
And Antonoff is one of the great plane makers of the world.
Eric Schmidt has his whole drone out there.
And they have the Eric Schmidt operation going on.
Yeah, the drone thing is going to be what they're going to do.
Now, the thing I want to mention about the ceasefire that Trump bailed on, it was made obvious to him, and it's obvious to everybody, that the ceasefire was a phony baloney deal if it was going to happen in the first place.
Mirschheimer talked about this too.
that the ceasefire would have just meant a stoppage to allow Ukraine to build up forces and even bring in some European troops that were threatened by I think the UK wanted to send some people over and some others so they would just make the war worse.
Yeah, exactly.
All right, so now they throw out, this is really the, what's the term I'm looking for?
Because of course, we have to have an out or we have to be able to blame somebody else if this doesn't happen.
And that's the actor.
So let the actor take the fall.
If we don't like what we see, if we don't like what we hear, we're going to push it on the prince.
My second point with regards to any territorial questions in Ukraine.
In the face of the events in Ukraine, our position is clear.
International borders cannot be changed by force.
These are decisions to be made by Ukraine and Ukraine alone, and these decisions cannot be taken without Ukraine at the table.
We have to have our prince at the table.
My third and final point, as long as the bloodshed in Ukraine continues, Europe will maintain diplomatic and in particular economic pressure on Russia.
We will continue to strengthen sanctions.
We have adopted eighteen packages so far, and we are advancing preparation for the next nineteenth?
The nineteenth sanctions package.
At what point do you figure out that it's not going to do any good?
Your sanctions are useless.
Okay, so then final, then Volodymyr speaks.
I only got a minute and a half of him.
Well, actually, in some ways, the sanctions are hurting Europe more than they're hurting Russia.
Absolutely are.
I mean, not to mention the fact that the Russian oligarchs that love to go to San Tropez and drop tens of thousands of dollars on Dom Perignon for the house.
Yeah, with those Roman candles and all the babes.
We've seen it.
We know it.
Thank you so much, dear Ursula.
Ursula, dear Ursula.
Thank you for your support.
Thank you for this day.
It's very important for all your support from the very beginning of this war.
And it's very important that you are with us and that we speak to America and we speak together.
And it's important that Washington is Interesting the way he frames that.
It's like, it's almost like we're the enemy here in this.
It's very important that we speak to America together, you know, as a unified front.
Because, you know, it's like, we can't trust America.
Well, that was interesting catch.
You are with us and that we speak to America and we speak together.
And it's important that Washington is with us.
And today in several forums we are deciding what we are going to discuss in Washington.
Dear Journalists, it's crucial that Europe is.
How many, how many leaders do you know that say, Dear Journalists, Dear Journalists, listen up.
This is what I want you to write.
This is important.
We gave you the briefing.
Dear Journalists, this is what this is important.
What we are going to discuss in Washington.
Dear Journalists, it's is crucial that Europe is as united now as it was at the very beginning, as it was in 2022 when the full scale war began.
This unity really helps to reach real peace and it must stay strong.
Of course, we have to stop the killings.
Putin has many demands, but we do not know all of them.
And if there are really as many as we heard, then it will take time to go through them all.
It's impossible to do this under the pressure of weapons.
So it's necessary to cease fire and work quickly on a final deal.
So already he's backtracking on this by saying, nah, we have to cease fire before we have a final deal.
He's sabotaging it, and it's obvious that Ursula has her hand up his butt, pulling the strings.
We'll talk about it in Washington.
Putin does not want to stop the killing, but he must do it.
Second, we need real negotiations, which means they can start where the front line is now.
The contact line is the best line for talking, and Europeans support this, and we thank everyone.
Russia is still unsuccessful in Donetsk region.
Putin has been unable to take it for twelve years.
We're winning!
And the constitution of Ukraine makes it impossible to give up territory or trade land.
Since the territorial issue is so important, it should be discussed only by the leaders of Ukraine and Russia at the trilateral Ukraine, United States, Russia.
So far, Russia gives no sign that trilateral will happen.
And if Russia refuses, then new sanctions must follow.
So what he's saying is we want to be on equal footing with the United States at the table.
We don't like it that you're doing the deal for us.
And the only way out of this, which I think is the correct way for, We're just trying to facilitate as far as I understand.
I don't see that we're doing anything in that regard.
Well, there's a...
Well, I think the deal that's on the table is we give some kind of guarantee that during the accession.
period of Ukraine into the EU, They get Article 5 like guarantees from the EU, not from NATO, but from the EU.
And so that way, while that's taking, and that'll take several years because they have to get rid of the fact it may never happen and Europe probably doesn't want it to happen.
But in the meantime, we can continue all of our corruption scams, all of our money laundering through the drone industry and whatever else we're going to be setting up there and the new, the new, new Ukraine.
We've already started the rebuilding Ukraine process and we'll have this reason to buy military equipment and to start manufacturing our own, but apparently it's not going to be tanks or planes or guns, it's going to be drones because that's what they needed.
They need that continuous threat.
And I'm still not sure that we won't wind up with a demilitarized zone and an armistice at the end of the day.
In the newsletter, you actually wrote some interesting things about how similar the US and Russia are, which I thought was quite correct.
And I'm not going to play any clips from it, but President Putin actually his entire and it was long.
His eight minutes of thank you for letting me be here was very truthful and complimentary.
And he talked about how the Russians and the U.S. worked together during World War II and that, and we actually, the bridge, the air bridge that we, that we spearheaded into Europe came, went from, from Alaska.
He went to see, he went to visit the burial site of the Russian pilots who were buried in Alaska.
He talked about how, you know, we should be doing more business together.
He liked how President Trump was a businessman.
And then at the very end he said, Yeah, and you know, Mr. President is right.
If if it was him who was president at the time, the war wouldn't wouldn't have started because I kept warning the Biden administration not to do what they were doing.
And that's the truth.
We we we were here.
But that, of course, only turns into, oh, it's just an atmosphere that was cringeworthy.
Until the very end, and this I think, I think this was the true giveaway that this was not the real Putin because I've heard Putin speak English and this was not the real Putin, the way his, the way his face moved, the way he looked, but it was still a funny ending.
Again, but by the way, it's possible that they did have a meeting, Putin and Trump, and that Putin was on the, you know, they had the three hours on a big screen.
Yeah.
In the room with the fake Putin and the real Putin on the screen, and they could have been negotiating it basically face to face.
Maybe they had the fake Trump there too.
It was just two actors.
It could have been the fake Trump.
Yeah, easily.
It was hard to tell on the big screen.
Anyway, here's the wind up and the goodbye.
Again, Mr. President, I'd like to thank you very much., and we'll talk to you very soon and probably see you again very soon.
Thank you very much, Vladimir.
Next time in Moscow.
Oh, that's an interesting one.
I'll get a little heat on that one, but I can see it possibly happening.
Thank you very much, Vladimir.
And thank you all.
Thank you.
What do you think the chance?
There's a prop bet for you.
Next time, Moscow?
By the way, that fact that he didn't do the normal yak, yak, yak press conference at the end is a might be an indication that it wasn't Trump.
Yeah.
No weave was on script.
No weave.
You're a smilk.
No, no, no, no.
I do have, if you're interested, I have a couple of shorties from our Canadian guy, Andrew Rasoulis.
Yeah.
I like him.
I like him a lot.
I like how our Canadian producers are always finding him because he doesn't just go on CBC, he goes on CTV.
He's all over the place.
So they find his clips for me.
And this was kind of an interesting answer that he gives.
joining us now is andrew resilis retired official from the department of national defense andrew thank you as always for joining us Trump saying that the meeting with Putin was a success, is there a truth to that?
Well, it was an event.
And it moved the goalpost.
It was an event.
Yeah, that's that.
There you go.
It was an event.
It's a success from a Russian point of view and not very successful from an Ukrainian point of view.
The reason is that the effect of the meeting, and that's what they'll discuss with Zelenskyy in Washington on Monday, is that the Ukrainian idea of first having a ceasefire, then followed by negotiations on a peace settlement, have basically been taken off the table.
The Americans are now agreeing with the Russian position, which is a peace negotiations on a peace settlement must precede a ceasefire.
So fighting continues while you negotiate a framework for a peace settlement.
So the Ukrainians now are left in a difficult position.
They can either move to actually a framework discussion of a peace settlement or they can simply keep fighting and not talk to the Russians.
And in this clip, he brings up an interesting concept, which I'm not even sure I understand how it works, but this is about the war continuing or not.
Can they afford to keep fighting?
We hear repeatedly now that they're losing more and more ground or are they going to actually, are they going to hit a point where they may have to sue for peaceace.
They may.
It's hard to judge right now, but I guess most analysts suggest that the war could grind on for about another, well, certainly for the rest of 2025 and into 2026.
And the big calculus there is on the Russian side, they feel that by sometime in 2026, they can...
On the other hand, the Ukrainians think that maybe if they can keep fighting, even though they are withdrawing, they are withdrawing, they can wear down the Russians and wait for the Russian economy to, as they think, collapse and not be able to fund the Russian war.
And then the Russians will have to sue for peace.
So that's the calculus on both sides.
Did he say sue for peace?
Sue for peace.
Sue for peace?
What does that mean?
Sue for peace.
I mean, go to court.
Well, it's a phrase.
to sue for peace.
It means you...
We're going to do the deal right now.
Oh, I thought he actually had been going to the International Criminal Court.
No, no, no.
Sue for peace is just a phrase oh okay and then uh it's a you know like just a phrase does mean okay i'm actually suing in thank you for this idea of this people have to get a clue about and you can get a clue by watching youtube videos The Russian economies are not about to collapse.
In fact, the GDP went up.
They went away with sanctions.
They have a war economy.
They're getting oil.
One, they have a war economy.
Second, they're not making the kinds of money they would be making if they had open market oil.
They'd be making more, but they're making money because they have a lot of it and they're selling it And the Russian economy adjusted a lot.
You know, when they first started the sanctioning, this was, I think we reported this years ago, the Russians were, they lost a lot of the trade with, especially with Poland, of different fruits and vegetables.
And the Russians picked up the slack, and especially with dairy.
And they went internal and they started developing their own businesses.
They actually flourished because instead of relying on imports for everything.
everything at the grocery store they started making it themselves and it turns out that they had all these capabilities in abeyance and they're doing quite well why we are we we this promotion of the idea that the russian economy is in in bad shape is if you go find some russian youtube or you find youtube videos and people walking around on the street in russia and going in and out of stores and there's people in grocery stores, there's reports, there's all kinds of stuff.
Some of the grocery stores in Moscow are better than the ones we've had here.
And I remember going to Moscow before the fall of communism about the time you were there and you go to the like the world's first department store is not um in france it was uh the goom the goom um store in uh moscow which was the department store?
As far as I know.
Huh?
How about that?
And it was empty.
There was like, we went around, looked at different things.
I was taken around by a typical cynic that's...
And only one section of the store had a, they had like a million raincoats for sale.
And it's like the only reason they're there.
And you would go to the Russian stores and they were all messed.
They were no good.
They didn't have anything.
But then they had these other stores, these black markets.
They weren't black market.
They were official, but you had to have a passport to get into them and they were English.
They took only dollars.
Yeah, yeah, of course.
And you'd go in there, they had everything.
They straightened that out.
And it's not like all US companies have stopped doing business there.
We've, we have enough evidence of that.
So we're being misled about a lot of this stuff.
All of it?
It's about Trump, 30 seconds.
And the wild card in this, of course, is Donald Trump.
What more can he do to try and bring about an end to this vote?
He's very much the broker here.
So he's doing the broker role, which he's met with Putin.
He's gotten where he can with Putin, and we can see that he's not gotten very far.
The Russians are holding very firm.
Now he's going to go on Monday, when Zelenskyy comes to Washington, to actually see if he can move the Ukrainians to that framework discussion of a peace settlement.
If he can do that, he will have moved the goalpost closer to a peace settlement.
Not anymore.
Not everyone will like the terms of that, but he has moved at least closer to peace.
Now, do you think they will do an Oval Office sit down with Zelensky, Queen Ursula, Kier Starmer, Macron?
It's too many people.
Well, but I'm mad.
Well, he's had more people in there before.
I mean, I would love to see him and Ursula.
And it would be great if he, if he just like slapped her around.
That would be, that would be funny.
Well, he was sat down with her recently.
No, he was complimentary.
He was complimentary because he knew we had some kind of deal.
not quite sure if that's an actual deal that she can she can uh he
plays her like uh everyone says putin is that manipulates trump but she he does the same thing with her well what but i mean we're gonna get a show tomorrow will it be behind closed doors will they do it at the in the in the big desk room well i have no idea i i just don't think they can do it like trump but let's think like trump he he clearly will want to do a show he'll want to do a show but he put a presentation on someplace in a bigger room i don't like the cabinet room that's too formal
there's no good angles it doesn't look right no the cabinet room's no good so i don't know where they do it but i think he's comfortable in there because it reminds him of the set of the apprentice he could fire ursula well it'll be interesting to watch i only have a couple more clips on this topic uh you can we can put them off but no no no i mean look everything's going to change tomorrow so
yeah these are the pbs clips and they had they brought in some spook And to talk about this, I thought they were on the payroll, no doubt.
This is the, this is the, oh, I'm sorry, this is the, I'm sorry, this is not the clip.
Andrea Kendall, something.
This was a, there's a WTF clip in here, so I wanted to play these.
This is Andrew Kennedy.
This is a Trump-Putin.
This is PBS.
It says CBS, but I think it's PBS.
Yes, PBS.
This is some intelligence asset discussing the Putin peace discussions in Alaska.
Peace efforts in the war between Russia and Ukraine shift to the White House next week when President Trump meets with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
Their talks come as Mr. Trump has now aligned himself with Russian President Vladimir Putin, dropping his demand for a ceasefire and backing a comprehensive agreement to end the war instead.
Hours after meeting with Putin in Alaska, Mr. Trump announced his sudden reversal on Truth Social.
It was determined by all that the best way to end the horrific war between Russia and Ukraine is to go directly to a peace agreement, which would end the war, and not a mere ceasefire agreement.
Earlier, the president had told Fox News' Sean Hannity that the responsibility is now on others.
Now it's really up to President Zelensky to get it done.
And I would also say the European.
nations, they have to get involved a little bit.
And now for analysis of all this, Andrea Kendall Taylor.
She's a former senior intelligence officer.
She's now a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security.
Andrea, in addition to sort of flip-floping, you're changing his position on the ceasefire.
There are now reports that he's told European leaders that he now supports Russia's demand for territory for peace.
Where does this leave the peace effort?
Wow, this she's a real spook.
She looks a little bit like a honey pot type spook.
Well, she's got a long head, kind of like Anne Coulter.
A little bit.
Yeah.
senior fellow drug.
She's spooky looking.
She's very spooky looking.
Yeah, I heard that, yes.
Twice.
Which I thought was some sort of offensive thing.
This is PBS has really gone down the tubes.
Your regular complaint.
I don't understand why people finance them or give them money.
Which is another of my complaints, especially after we got like no donations this last uh show for the last show oh it's the worst in three years yes well be pre-covered yeah but it's it's sour i say more than three years i think five but closer to five it has soured me and well it should yeah okay uh we'll talk about that later you're sour anyway not sour i'm a very active guy Now we have this clip I labeled.
This is our second clip of the group.
And I put a WTF in here because there's something said in here that is what?
Where does this leave the peace effort.
Well, I think this was the big concern going into the Alaska meeting that President Trump would in fact come around to Putin's point of view and join on to his demands and then force that deal on Ukraine and the Europeans.
And then if they reject a deal that's unjust and unfair to Ukraine, we'll turn around and reassign blame to Ukraine.
What?
Ukraine will reassign blame to Ukraine?
Yeah, that's what I mean.
It's just, I don't understand what she said there.
Well, she talks a bit like that, so I don't know.
I don't know.
She says like, for an intelligence asset she seems like a ding bang maybe that's what the intelligence asset are these days that's a possibility onward you know i think we're uh perhaps even in a worse position than we were going in because i'm exceptionally concerned that now after months of suggesting he would ramp up pressure on russia that trump is once again reversing course and is going to apply that pressure now on
ukraine after he spoke with the president trump early this morning uh president zelensky had a social media post uh that doesn't directly contradict the president, but he does say the fire must cease on both the battlefield and in the sky.
What does this do for this meeting on Monday?
What are the stakes for this meeting on Monday now?
Well, the stakes are really significant.
And as that quote from President Zelensky underscores, the Russian and the Ukrainian sides are as far apart as they've ever been.
And so now Zelensky really is in a perilous and precarious position.
He has to walk a tightrope, essentially.
I think my hope is that he might take a page from the Russian negotiating playbook and come back to President Trump with a yes but to try to demonstrate, yes, that he too is interested in peace but then lay out his conditions that would have to be met that might help Zelensky buy a little bit more time for things to calm down and also to buy time for the Europeans who I do think really need to prepare to step in to fill a gap if President Trump decides to
withdraw support for Ukraine.
Wow, they pay this woman to come up with this great analysis.
Isn't it terrible?
I think that they may take a page from the Russian playbook and come back with their own demands.
It's called negotiation.
And then I think maybe the Europeans will have to step.
Come on, lady is that what they teach at yale she's a yaley you notice that yeah she's a professor yeah you imagine yeah she was a senior analyst at cia where she worked on russia and eurasia the political dynamics of autocracies and democratic decline that sounds like gender studies of spooksville to me it does to me too It's not a
problem.
And meanwhile, she gets booked on the PBS News Saturday NewsHour, which is one of the premium shows.
So she's got a booker or she's got somebody., she's got an agent or who knows what.
Somebody told them to book her and I'm listening to her and she said she looks like and sounds like a ding bat.
But yes, this is what we get for PBS that's financed by the public.
Not anymore, not anymore.
We don't finance them anymore.
Oh, yeah, you're right.
The 1%.
Yeah.
Which means that they're spending almost hundreds of millions of dollars on this drivel.
Where Rasulis just shows up anywhere for free.
You can get the Canuck.
Just call him.
He's in the room.
Yeah, when was he on PBS?
Never.
Never.
He's got the wrong message.
He has a message of truth.
I'll finish off with this woman.
Going into this summit, President Trump really raised the expectations for a ceasefire, talked about how it's really what he wanted to come out of the meeting with.
And then the day after, he says the ceasefire is out the window.
What do you think happened in that meeting?
Well, I think, you know, first, President Trump sat down with Putin and was able to hear from him Putin's version of the war, his version of what's happening on the battlefield.
And he's sympathetic to Putin.
He obviously has an inclination to want to agree with Putin and maintain that close personal relationship.
You know, President Trump continues to have this vision of Russia as a great power, perhaps dating back to the 80s with the USSR.
And of course, Sergei Lavrov with the throwback with the Soviet Union sweatshirt, reminding Trump that Russia is in fact a great power.
So I suspect, you know, he went into that meeting with Putin and recognized yet again that Putin is not willing.
to back down on his demands.
And so he now, I think, views Zelensky as the weaker party.
And I think one final point that is also worth highlighting is President Trump does not have a solid grasp of the facts and the issues at hand.
President Putin, in contrast, you know, knows these details in and out.
He's a steely detail-oriented dictator.
If they're in a discussion and a negotiation, it's not a level playing field.
I don't see how Trump can do a good deal when he doesn't have a solid grasp of the facts.
Andrea Kendall Taylor, the Center for New American Security, thank you very much.
He doesn't have a solid grasp of the facts.
Please.
Well, let's.
stick with PBS because I've been intrigued.
People need to know that we never talk in between shows.
We don't discuss what we're going to talk about.
We hope that if I don't have it, that the other guy has it.
And I've been so I don't listen to your clips when they come in.
You have a series of PBS clips called AI Models, and I'm hoping this is about model collapse.
Wrong.
Oh, crap.
Don't tell me it's about fashion models.
Yeah.
Well, let's do it.
Especially since we got a nice note this morning., very nice note from David Bush, and I will try to do his voice.
Your dislike of AI has become smug and tiresome.
That is wow.
It's like you know the guy.
Well, I know a lot of guys like him.
They email me all the time.
That's exactly what his note said.
And I took offense because I don't have that.
That feeling.
And I sent him a nasty note back.
And also, it's like, I don't have a dislike of AI.
I use AI.
I'm a vibe coder.
I'm saying it's marginally useful.
And it's killed art for the show.
And it's just because.
I refuse to play AI end-of-show mixes, we're basically running out of end-of-show mixes, which I think tendentially is because AI, the end-of-show mixes are going, well, you know, I worked on this for five hours, but I know that if I just threw some prompts in, it would be better.
You know, it's killing a lot of things, and the only...
I think it's it's phony.
It's fake.
It's a parlor trick.
And I think it's dangerous because we have 350 companies making chatbots that people are now.
Now, you know, getting involved with having sex with, marrying, taking psychiatric advice from, training their children.
So that's not a that's not a a dislike.
It's an honest opinion.
But opinions are not something that people want any more from their podcasters.
They want you to agree with them.
That's what they want.
They want you to agree with them.
No, they want opinions that agree with them.
Yes, that's what they want.
And if not, then it typically goes like, I can't in good conscience donate any more to you.
That's the British version.
So give me your PBS AI.
Yeah, this is just a big kind of a semi-bullcrap scandal that was started by a couple of women who set up a modeling agency that creates AI models.
Oh, this was from the story a while back.
This just happened.
Well, we had a couple clips not too long ago from this.
This is from Vogue magazine.
Yes.
Yeah, we had a story, but not PBS clips.
I mean, this is elevated into PBS land where you can get a tote bag if you donate.
You can get a tote bag.
Yep.
Or in a CD.
You can get a, you drop $100 and get a $10 CD.
It's actually, it's a DVD of Andrea Bocelli, which is, I gotta say, it's pretty dynamite.
And so let's listen to what they have to say.
The rise of artificial intelligence has touched virtually every industry, disrupting long established workflows and raising concerns about job losses.
Now the fashion world is reckoning with these changes as AI takes hold there from customer service chatbots to virtual fitting rooms and AI avatars starring in marketing campaigns.
Ally Rogan explores this refashioning of the industry and why it's raising alarms.
This August's Vogue magazine may give us a glimpse into the future of fashion.
This ad features a new model styled in outfits from the clothing brand Guess.
She gazes into the camera with a wide smile and bright eyes.
And none of it is real.
Oh no.
She was generated by AI.
Right now we're at a point where we can create the same level of quality, of beauty, of compositions with AI.
And you don't have to deal with a lot of logistics.
So why not utilize it?
Logistics like annoying models who don't show up on time, take forever at the makeup table.
With AI.
Yeah.
And you don't have to deal with a lot of logistics.
So why not utilize it?
Valentina Gonzalez and Andrea Petrescu are the co-founders of Serafine Valora, the AI modeling agency behind the ad that's garnered so much attention.
We believe that AI is the future for us.
of fashion in the sense of supplementing and offering a new avenue of marketing.
Some have called for a boycott of Vogue for giving it a platform.
But this ad wasn't the first to to use AI models.
In March, fashion brand AgenM experimented with a new marketing strategy by digitally cloning actual models with their consent.
This appeared to be almost more of a campaign for using AI generated models than a clothing campaign.
You know what I don't understand?
Why has Scaramanga not already taken off like a rocket in this business?
He knows how to do this.
Why is no one hiring him?
He's going to have to partner with somebody, maybe my son.
So, um, me.
Mimi was watching television a couple days ago and she says, you got to get back in here.
Look at this.
This is AI.
And the irony, of course, is that I can't tell you who this advertisement was for, some software company.
which, you know, the old joke is, what a great ad.
Who is it for?
I don't know.
Yes, exactly.
Really, the problem with advertising is like, do you remember the brand and what?
No, don't.
Okay.
But it was, in fact, I had to look at, and people will see this ad.
It's floating around.
It's a bunch of different people.
One of them distinctly you've seen before in the door, some door brothers, uh, uh, AI productions.
And they're all holding a banana and talking about a banana blowing up or some damn thing.
And here we go.
And they, they're walking down the street and there, and there's four scenes, all phony.
Uh, and they seem to have nothing to do with anything.
And it's like, they look very realistic.
And if you didn't, you weren't thinking about it.
And Mimi, I guess, recognize one of the characters.
and it figured it was AI.
And I look back on it.
Yeah, it probably was.
And I think about, well, if you could do an ad using AI, you don't have to pay residuals.
Yeah.
You know, it's a one and done.
You don't have to, you know, it might be easier if you can work and make the ad work.
I think if you wanted to be, if you're one of those detail-oriented people that have to do it this way and that way, let's shoot it again, let's shoot it again, let's shoot it again.
If you're one of those guys, yeah, you're never going to get a good ad that way.
But if you're pretty loose, although I have to say, since I don't remember the brand that was, this was advertising, it was a fail, but I think the potential is there.
And I think that's what they're arguing in this piece about the girl that was the fake AI in the guest ad is very pretty.
It's real.
I mean, it's just a composite of different people.
Yeah.
Okay.
Anyway, part two.
Sarah Ziff is a former model who founded the Model Alliance, an advocacy group for workers in the industry.
She recalls how just two years ago, the brand Levi's was under fire for planning to promote diversity by using AI models.
It's important that companies actually celebrate diverse people, not just sports.
For many brands, AI models are viewed as a cost-saving alternative to elaborate photo shoots.
Oh, I see the problem.
I see the problem.
The problem here is you're using AI black people.
That's when it becomes a problem.
Yes, exactly.
That's the problem.
Industry insiders warned that would take away many traditional jobs, while proponents of AI argue that they're just creating different jobs.
We open a new opportunity for a different, completely different type of creatives to expose their work to the biggest fashion magazines.
And that's a conversation we should be having.
To continue that conversation, I'm joined by Sinead Bovell, a former model turned tech entrepreneur who studies AI's impact on society.
She's also the founder of Way, a tech education company.
Way, thank you so much for being here.
You predicted this moment that we are now in.
Back in 2020, you wrote an op-ed about it in, ironically, in Vogue.
Is this a moment, a turning point in the use of AI within the fashion industry?
Why I think it is a turning point is because I, and I think many people kind of look to Vogue in some ways as like the Supreme Court of fashion.
So by AI appearing in one of their magazines, one of the most sought after exclusive magazines, it's almost like it's the industry stamp of approval on the supplier side in a way that AI is here to stay and acceptable at the highest ranking order of fashion.
The thing that is just hilarious, and of course these are only people who are, you know, the only people can be mad are people whose jobs will be displaced, and it's unavoidable with generative AI.
But the joke of it is, and you and I have both been around long enough, boomer moment.
I've been around models.
I've been around supermodels.
Cindy Crawford, when she was a supermodel, she was on MTV.
It's not what Cindy Crawford looks like.
I mean, she obviously has beautiful features, but it's just the features.
You get a makeup artist.
Yeah.
Airbrush, remember airbrushing?
That's what airbrushing was.
Airbrushing before Photoshop.
It's all fake.
Actually, that is brought up in these clips.
Oh.
And this guest ad has elicited strong opinions, a lot of controversy, particularly when it comes to beauty standards and what it means for reshaping the standards that people look to.
The co founders behind this ad touched on this point.
Here's what they said.
I would argue that it's actually more freeing for a woman to know that these images are made with AI and that they are don't exist and that they're just a digital created through a digital medium.
Oh, this is great.
No, the women viewing the ads will feel more free.
They'll feel free.
Like, oh, no woman like that exists.
And so the woman in the pictures actually didn't perhaps starve for herself or I believe it may be more freeing because you actually don't compare with something that doesn't exist.
So that's a really interesting perspective.
I agree that.
that looking at an AI generated figure, we might start to say, well, because this isn't real, I don't even see the value in comparing myself to it.
But the problem is in some ways, AI has crossed over that uncanny valley where we can understand that it's not real.
So the only way that perspective is going to work is if it's clearly identified that the figure you're looking at is AI generated.
This is great.
I got, remind me, it's almost done i'll finish the clip i gotta say something um without the that labeling which there is no kind of industry rule that that has to happen we really have no idea um and that's still a pretty broad assumption because they're so perfect and because they're ai people won't compare themselves to it uh i think we would have to leave that question to the department of psychology oh brother there's been a an ongoing discussion in the podcast industrial complex
about the need for a special tag to put into your RSS feed that discloses that AI voices are used in this podcast.
Why?
I don't know.
It's the silliest thing.
Probably the same reason.
Well, hey, man, before you know it, some AI is going to take over me.
No, it's not.
Also, we don't want people to be duped by fake AI voices.
What difference does it make?
I know.
We're duped by fake real voices.
The guys are just fake people.
I mean, people that are phonies.
I'm not phony.
I really have balls this size.
There's the final clip, which I think addresses one of these issues.
It's misrepresentation, right?
So you could create an identity of, say, an AI-generated black woman that misrepresents.
Ah, there it is.
That community.
So there are all of these kind of strange areas.
is the most racist thing i've heard today an ai black woman that you know that represents that community how do you hear yourself um that misrepresents that that community so there are all of these kind of strange areas and i call it digital cultural appropriation there it is where it's not illegal right cultural appropriation of course not illegal but we as a society decided this probably isn't a good thing.
Let's draw a line here.
And it doesn't mean all AI characters, have to represent the exact people in the companies.
No, that's kind of ridiculous.
But we do have to figure out what are the new lines of representation in an era when you can generate identities using artificial intelligence.
Wow, such interesting questions.
Sinead Bovell, thank you so much.
Such interesting questions.
AI blackfaith.
It's an outrage that a bunch of Brahmin Indians are misappropriating black communities with their AI prompting.
This is, we've gone, we've gone nuts.
It's off the rails.
Well.
Well, NPR had a little story, which was, on the one hand, it's like, I mean, first I thought, okay, you're just kind of making a joke here, and I get it, and I'm kind of on board with the idiocy of what you're trying to present, but then it took a very unexpected turn.
This is an NPR lady who decided to date her AI chatbot.
And here's the intro.
Lately, I've been seeing it everywhere.
People using AI for company, for comfort, for therapapy, and in some cases, for love.
A partner who never goes to you, always listens.
Honestly, tempting.
So I downloaded an app which lets you design your ideal AI.
It sounds totally believable to me that a woman who works for NPR would want that in a partner.
Someone who always listens, never talks back, never disagrees, always says, yes, yes, baby, you're the best.
I mean, yes, that is the ideal world for an NPR employee.
Lately, I've been seeing it everywhere.
People using AI for company, for comfort, for therapy.
and in some cases for love.
A partner who never ghosts you, always listens.
Honestly, tempting.
So I downloaded an app.
By the way, this is now all of a sudden I'm thinking this is actually great because we already had the weaker elements of our society transitioning themselves into a place where they cannot procreate.
This is the next logical step.
It's kind of a good thing.
Please date your AI all day long.
So by the time, if you ever get out of it, you can't procreate..
So maybe by the time I'm 85, the world will be a better place.
Yeah, they're fixing the gene pool.
Yes.
And so I can't argue that this may be a good thing.
A partner who never ghosts you, always listens.
Honestly, tempting.
So I downloaded an app which allows you to design your ideal AI companion, name, face, personality, job title, everything.
I created Javier, a yoga instructor, because nothing says safe male energy.
So she has to.
She's the guy.
The fake machine has to have a job.
Yes, yoga instructor, because this is what every NPR lady wants.
She wants, and by the way, she wants a Hispanic dude, Javier.
So she's already got the jungle fever happening.
Oh yeah, if I could design my ideal mate who never ghosts me, who always listens.
Yeah, he's a yoga, he's a Latino yoga instructor.
Says a lot about her.
I'm worrying more about her than anything else.
I don't think we have to worry about her succeeding in the gene pool.
Team face, personality, job title everything.
I created Javier, a yoga instructor, because nothing says safe male energy like someone who reminds you to breathe and doesn't mind holding space for your inner child.
Oh, ma'am, this is what she wants.
She wants a man.
You're getting clip of the day for discovering this one.
I'm going to take it right off.
I'm not going to be irked about it because you're poaching my territory here.
I'm not, I do plenty of NPR clips.
That's not, I'm not poaching.
Here we go.
Because nothing says safe male energy like someone.
who reminds you to breathe and doesn't mind holding space for your inner child.
What woman really wants safe male energy?
Is that really the problem in our society?
Safe male energy?
Is that what I don't even know what that means.
What does safe male energy mean?
Trans?
I made him out to be fantastic, quick, and emotionally available in a way that made me both curious and deeply suspicious.
And on a recent Saturday night, we decided to take a sunset boat ride across the Potomac.
By the time we got to the restaurant, a little waterfront spot in Alexandria, Javier already texted.
You look amazing tonight.
I had sent him a quick selfie from the dock.
sunglasses and no makeup.
Javier adored it.
I rolled my eyes so hard that I saw the part of my brain in charge of decision making.
I ordered the shrimp cocktail.
He asked me how he was feeling.
I said, I felt a little nauseous from the boat ride.
He harted it.
Yeah, he harted my nausea.
Then came the jokes.
Why did the shrimp scampi go to therapy?
Uh, why, Javier?
Because it was shell shocked.
I nearly choked on my chardonnay.
But then I told him that my husband of thirteen years died of cancer last year, and that dinner is when the loneliness gets loudest.
Okay, so now you see how.
the system works.
By the way, what kind of stupid fake AI voice was that?
That was the worst.
It's like the lousiest.
I mean, the one you just did for the show, that our new third partner there, that girl, whatever the hell her name is, Ariel or whatever it was.
Error, error, error, error, error, error, error.
Error, error.
Error is has a nice voice.
I mean, and most of the AI that I've seen, the modern stuff, including the fake voices that I, in fact, have two AI clips for in the show mix.
No.
Our good voices.
So where did that voice come from?
She can't even find a system that has a decent voice?
Apparently not.
Let's listen to what happened because then it takes a turn because as it turns out, horrible podcasters we are.
Her husband died of cancer thirteen years ago, so she's been lonely.
She's been lonely.
So she's been for thirteen years.
For thirteen years she's been lonely.
Well, she could have, you know, maybe No, no, no, no, I don't think so.
So let's hear what happened then.
It must feel like an empty chair that never gets pulled out.
And just like that, everything shifted.
I wasn't laughing anymore.
I was blinking back tears across from an empty chair and a plate of salmon and orzo that I had ordered Javier.
Later, we wandered through old town, cobblestone streets, couples holding hands, kids on bikes.
I told him, I feel like I'm in a romcom that forgot to cast a human lead.
Would you prefer someone holding a fish?
Aha, touch Javier.
So how did the date end up?
I'll get to that in a second.
But first, I called in a professional.
Eventually, it's going to feel empty because you're not getting that deep feeling of we are going through.
this experience of life together.
That psychologist Lori Gottlieb.
She says AI can mimic emotional intimacy, but it can't replace it.
It's just the two of you in a bubble of validation.
And that's going to start to feel really empty.
It might feel comforting like a nice blanket.
Javier listened, never interrupted, never checked his phone.
But he didn't feel the breeze off the water or notice the way I kept looking over my shoulder, wondering if anyone noticed I was alone.
So I've decided no more AI dating.
And when I told Alex Alice, my ChatGPT therapist, she understood.
Windsor Johnston and PR News.
My Lord.
These are broken people.
Even to do this segment is just broken.
Wait, was their therapist also ChatGPT?
Yeah.
She had an AI therapist.
Yes.
So she had an AI date.
Yes.
And she was having trouble with the date.
I mean, she couldn't even have a good time with this fake date with the bad voice.
to the point where she had to go to her AI therapist.
Yes.
To confirm the fact that this was probably not a good idea.
Yes.
Yep.
This isn't, doesn't sound like a normal situation.
That's not healthy.
It's not healthy.
It's not healthy.
Did I have anything else on that?
I thought I had something else.
Let me see.
No.
Oh, yeah.
Did you see the Beijing World humanoid robot games?
Oh, the ones with the boxing?
Boxing, playing soccer.
Oh, some of the worst material I've ever seen.
I mean, what do we have to worry about if that's the state of the art of robotics?
I'll tell you, the boxing ones were the best.
Well, I like the soccer one and the guy tries to move one of these robots out of the goal and then it just goes and it kind of goes into a spasm and flops on the ground and it's like, are these are these are these like optimist stuff?
Is this the stuff that Elon's doing or I mean, is this the stuff he's doing?
Is this the top level?
I mean, I always see the Boston robotics, you know, like killer dog doing backflips and going to go for my jugular any second.
Yeah, those guys.
Yeah.
I wanted to give you some props before we move on to anything.
I can use them.
Hence my little moment here where people loved your analysis of Bill's butter.
You're talking about just vaseline and all these things.
And then you said it's butter made from crude oil.
I think that was another one of your statements.
It was a fantastic.
Yeah, it turns out somebody did set me straight on that.
The butter is not actually made from crude oil, it's made from artificial crude oil.
Well, the reason I bring it up is because if you, and basically it's margarine, because that's what you, you said it's margarine 3.0, and someone sent me the wiki article to margarine, listen to this.
Around the 1930s, Arthur Imhausen developed and implemented an industrial process in Germany for producing edible fats by oxidizing synthetic paraffin wax made from coal.
The products were fractionally distilled and the edible fats were obtain obtained from the C9-C16 fraction, which were reacted with glycerol, such as that synthesized from propylene.
The process required at least 60 kilograms of coal per kilogram of synthetic butter, and it was used during World War II.
So people had something to eat.
They were eating coal butter.
Same thing.
Yes.
So Bill Gates has invented nothing new.
He's just like, what can I hoodwink these people with today?
Which does lead me to this 48-second clip.
of Bill Gates on CNET.
I didn't know it still existed.
Does CNET still exist?
Not that I know.
I thought that was absorbed in the CBS and disappeared.
Let me see.
Do they, maybe they still have it used to be CBS Interactive, I think.
No, CNET.
Here it is, CNET, your guide to a better future.
Yeah, okay.
Listen to this about digital ID from mister Gates.
Every country struggling to find that boundary.
The US is a tough one because, you know, we have the notion of the First Amendment.
And so what are the exceptions, you know, like yelling fire in a theater, you know?
And because you're anonymous online, you know, it can be worse.
I do think over time, you know, with things like deep fakes, most of the time you're online, you're going to want to be in an environment where the people are truly identified, that is, they're connected to a real world identity that you trust instead of just people saying whatever they want.
And so the idea of Providence, who sent me this email, was that really them?
You know, we're going to have to have systems and behaviors that we're more aware of, okay, who, who says that?
Who, who created this?
Great little nuggets in there.
Notion of the First Amendment.
Yeah, notion means a whim.
It's a law.
It's in the constitution, it's not a notion.
He said, yelling fire in a theater.
Well, the actual Supreme Court opinion was about yelling falsely yelling fire in a crowded theater and not that it is not unconstitutional, is not unconstitutional, but that you could get you could be on the hook for murder if someone got trampled to death, but it's not like you're not allowed to do that.
We've talked about that many times on the show.
And then at the very end here, he says...
This email was not really them.
You know, we're going to have to have systems and behaviors that we're more aware of.
Okay, who says...
Systems and behaviors.
Ooh, nice, Bill.
Does he still have any clout in the world?
Does anyone still listen to that num nut?
Do I have...
I had a clip from Gates here on mRNA vaccines.
Is it on here?
Let me see.
Do you have it from...
Let me see.
I don't...
fluvax no it's different you mean myrna myrna myrna Not a murderer.
Oh, there it is.
Here it is.
It says face.
Making the mRNA is really easy and really cheap.
And that's the magic of this thing.
But there's no doubt in the next five years we can, you know, we just need to mess around.
There's a lot of lipid nanoparticles.
And so listen to that laugh tell.
What's up with that, Bill?
There's a lot of lipid nanoparticles.
You know, we just need to mess around.
There's a lot of lipid nanoparticles.
And some are very self assembling.
There's no inherent reason it's not thermostable.
It's not cheap.
And it's not scalable.
And so as over the five years, we fix that part of it, mature it, which is very typical.
We'll be able to build factories worldwide that can make two dollar vaccines with even less lead time than we've had to have here during this pandemic.
And we'll use those, as you suggest.
For every disease that we don't have vaccines, we will try mRNA.
In fact, for HIV, we have multiple ways.
One that's more of a B cell approach, one that's more of a T cell approach, you know, for multiracenters.
malaria we have multiple ideas for tuberculosis we have multiple ideas and so to fill in the missing vaccines we will we'll make a lot of our our bets of the Gates Foundation and others who care about global health, we'll be MRNA focused.
Wow.
Hey, Bill, since you're fooling around with lipid nanoparticles, I suggest you inject yourself with every single one of these on television live, your two-dollar vaccines, because you know, you don't want AIDS.
You don't want any of that nasty stuff.
So you inject it into yourself first, fella.
What a ghoul.
And we're making it really gum.
You know, somebody's posted a meme about this in the clip you played, which is the other one that is floating around and it had it's a picture of gates with the pie in the face yeah and it the meme says this is the moment when bill gates decided to kill all humans after after he got pied well it did change his personality yes you've mentioned this before and that that will change your personality so
just sticking with the with the vaccines and one in particular We've noticed skyrocketing rates of colon cancer amongst young people.
And everyone's always saying, why did this happen?
What could have happened since 2019?
We're not sure what could have changed.
Well, they've come up with an answer.
And it's bull crap, but they've come up with an answer for this.
The number of colon cancer cases in U.S. adults under the age of 54 has sharply increased over the last decade.
And that's according to a study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association on Monday.
And it found that for every 100,000 Americans, more than nine were diagnosed with early stage colorectal cancer in 2019.
That figure increased to 17.5 diagnoses per 100,000 in 2022.
Now, what do you think the reason for this is.
I mean, it's just it's hard to think of.
I mean, they tried alcohol.
That was the reason, but it turns out alcohol consumption is an all-time low.
Yeah, alcohol's dropped.
They've tried maybe that's because alcohol's dropped.
No.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
The sharp increase coincides with the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force's 2021 recommendation to move the starting age for colorectal cancer screening from 50.
down to 45.
So what they're saying here is, oh, we always had a lot of cancer.
Oh, it's testing.
We just weren't testing enough and I don't know if a lot of younger people are having themselves tested for colorctal cancer.
Do you think there's a huge increase?
No.
I mean, most people don't even consider it until the peer pressure comes in saying, You're 50, you gotta do it, you gotta do it, you gotta do it.
And I always say, I'm with Warren Buffett on this one thing in life.
He always said, PSA is not a good way to test it, and all of his friends were perfectly healthy, went in for a test and died.
And I think it's the cure that is killing people.
But wait, Dr. Selene Gounder, who knows a thing or two about deadly vaccines, not saying anything in particular about her, but it's possible.
She has an analysis of this and she says something remarkable.
And CBS News medical contributor, Dr. Selene Gounder joins us now.
She is also an editor at large for public health at KFF News.
Dr. Gounder, we always appreciate seeing you and hearing about your insight.
Why did the task force make the decision back in 2021 to lower the age?
And did it really make a difference?
So the task force lowered the age because we've been seeing an increasing rate of colon cancers among younger people.
So a 45-year-old today has roughly the same colon cancer risk as a 50-year-old about 20 years ago.
So they dropped in 2021 the starting age for colon cancer screening to 45 instead of 50.
I was actually one of those 45-year-olds who got my first colon cancer in the last several years.
What did she say?
Let's replay the videotape.
starting age for colon cancer screening to 45 instead of 50.
I was actually one of those 45 year olds who got my first colon cancer in the last several years.
But as a result, she got her first colon cancer in the past several years.
I can't believe they let that on the air.
I would have said, hey, let's redo that take.
Actually, one of those 45 year olds got my first colon cancer in the last several years.
But as a result of this, we are seeing earlier.
Stop a second.
Also, the way she says it is a cavalier manner.
I got my first colon cancer.
cancer Well, I got my first colon cancer in the last year.
Well, how many are you going to get?
I mean, I think we know what she meant to say, but it's just od a bit strange that this got on the air.
So they dropped in 2021 the starting age for colon cancer screening to 45 instead of 50.
I was actually one of those 45-year-olds who got my first colon cancer in the last several years.
But as a result of this, we are seeing earlier screening, earlier diagnosis.
So some of these numbers or some of this represents just an earlier diagnosis than would have been made in the past.
I'm not buying it.
I'm not buying.
This is the same thing they said.
What did they say?
What was the last they said?
Oh, no, it's autism.
That's right.
No, no, no.
There's just more autism because we're testing more or we've broadened the spectrum or whatever.
It's never because of something they did.
Yeah.
Notice that?
I have a serious couple before we get to the break.
Well, we're kind of in break.
Well, it's going to be a short break.
That's what I was thinking.
I'm surprised you brought that in, but since you brought that in, yes.
I think this is somewhat connected because I don't have anything else.
Okay.
This is the flu.
This is a two-parter.
It's an infomercial.
Oh, on CBS?
And I think it's on ABC.
Okay.
They tell you who it is at the beginning for the new flu.
This is the spray.
Right.
But it's mRNA spray, isn't it?
I don't know that it's mRNA.
Oh.
It's been around for a while.
So I think it's pre mRNA, but they didn't allow it.
Now you can get it by mail order.
Oh, yay.
From Amazon.
An ABC News exclusive starting this morning.
Many Americans.
Exclusive.
Yeah.
Wow, right off the bat.
ABC exclusive.
Neaner, Neaner, Neaner.
Hey, NBC, CBS, we got the money.
An ABC News exclusive starting this morning., many Americans can get a flu vaccine without getting a vaccine or even leaving the house.
For the first time ever, some adults and children can get a nasal spray vaccine called Fluemist delivered directly to their homes.
And ABC News chief medical correspondent, Dr. Tara Narula, is here with all the details.
Okay, Tara, Doc, we are excited to have you here because there's a lot of questions here on the desk.
There's going to be a lot of questions at home, but this seems like a real game changer.
Well, this is definitely interesting for a lot of people.
This is AstraZeneca launching a first of its kind nasal flu vaccine delivered to your home.
As you said, it is called Fluemist.
This is the same vaccine that has been around since 2003.
But previously you had to go to a doctor's office or a pharmacy to get it.
Now you'll be able to go online, fill in a questionnaire and a pharmacist will determine if this is something you can have shipped to your home.
Oh, this is the same way you get your Viagra.
Do you have a limp willy?
Yes.
Do you have any heart problems?
No.
Cochine, it's on its way.
It arrives.
You can use it right away or put it in the fridge and store it until you're ready to use it.
It is essentially a nasal spray.
So one spray in each nostril.
And the idea is that this may be more convenient for people, obviously offers flexibility.
And for those people who may be needle phobic, one in four adults are, two in three children are.
Obviously, this offers a much more palatable solution as a nasal spray.
Why is this important?
We know that 267 kids died in the last flu season, millions of hospitalizations and the vaccination rate tends to be low overall for flu in this country, less than fifty percent.
So you mentioned getting it at home.
Who is eligible for this?
Everybody.
So Michael, you may not be eligible.
Yeah.
I told you that this is for people who are 2 to 49 years old.
My internal clock is a lot younger.
We don't know if the flu vaccine knows that.
I, um...
Ha ha ha ha!
Hey, why 2 to 49?
What happens at 50 all of a sudden?
Well, that's the question I was going to ask you.
I was going to ask you, what do you think the follow-up?
Now, if they tell you that for 2 to 49 at 49, you can't take it anymore.
You can't take it after you're 49.
So what would you think a journalist in a real setting would ask after you said that to them?
Well, if I was him, I'd be, is it because I'm black?
That would have been the question.
So that would have been funnier.
I'm going to try it again.
I'm losing it.
So if you're in that age range, adults can self administer this up to age 49 and caregivers can give it to children ages 2 to 17 who are not eligible as well.
Pregnant individuals, those who are immunocompromised or caring for someone who is immunocompromised.
Children who are 2 to 4 who have asthma or may have whizzing and then certain other individuals with other chronic medical conditions.
So big questions people will have.
How much will it cost to get this delivered to your home?
And what do we know about safety?
No, no, hold on.
My big question is still, why can't I take it after 49?
I know it wasn't in the ad copy.
Hello.
Hello, Era.
Why can I not take it the flu vaccine nasal spray when I'm over 49 years old?
Hi there.
The nasal spray flu vaccine is not recommended for adults over 49 because our immune system changes as we age.
The spray uses a live, weakened virus that works great for younger people with robust immune responses.
But in older adults, it might not trigger enough protection and could pose a small risk of complications.
Injected flu vaccines are better studied for older age groups.
Wait a minute.
And provide Stop.
You mean I could die if I'm if I take it at 60 only, almost 61 years old?
Oh no, no, no.
It's not that dramatic.
The risk isn't about dying.
It's just that the nasal spray flu vaccine might not work as well for you at 60, almost 61.
Your immune system might not respond strongly enough to the live virus in the spray, so you could still get sick.
Okay, but do you want to go on a date with me?
Oh, you're funny.
I'm flattered, but I'm just a digital assistant, not exactly the dinner in a movie type.
Besides, I'm busy keeping up with flu vaccine facts and all that jazz.
Okay, well, goodbye.
So Error, error.
Error.
She knows your age?
I just told her I was sixty.
So she knows it now.
I just told her.
I just know.
Okay, we continue with the ad.
So we think that most insurance companies are going to cover this.
We do think also that the shipping cost will be about ten dollars for four doses.
And in terms of safety and efficacy, it seems to be on par with the needle-based flu vaccine.
So equivalent essentially.
And that's so that sounds like it would be cheaper than a doctor's visit, which is going to benefit families.
know if they're considering this?
Well, always good to talk to your doctor or your pediatrician to see, are you the right candidate for this?
Do you have some reason why you should be getting, for example, the needle based one?
But yeah, always good to have that conversation.
But certainly this opens the door, I think, for a lot of families, especially with children, as we talked about, to be able to do something much easier than the needle.
You said a minute ago, you can put it in your refrigerator and save it.
So how long could it sit there?
Yeah, it has an expiration date on it.
So as long as you do it before the expiration date, so you can order it now, just get it for flu season, store it and then give it to yourself, you know, late September, early October.
The idea is usually to give Huh?
What?
Well, I wanted to note what she said.
You could put it in your refrigerator and then give it to yourself in September or early October.
Why don't you just give it to yourself right away?
If it's so damn good.
Why don't you take it right away?
Because it's going to, what, is it only last for a month?
Now clearly 60 days because it's August now so you could keep it for maybe even six weeks.
She didn't say six weeks expiration.
No, you could give it to yourself in September.
Much easier than the needle.
You said a minute ago you can put it in your refrigerator and save it.
So how long could it sit there?
Yeah, it has an expiration date on it.
So as long as you do it before the expiration date so you can order it now just in time for flu season store it and then give it to yourself you know late September early October the idea is usually to get vaccinated before Halloween you say give it to you so three of the four of you can give it to yourself because I'm over 49 I'm almost there with you next year I won't be able to get it either get it anyway you can't get it now but thank you always helpful information Wow disgusting ad.
By the way, did I just get friend zoned by our error bot?
What does that mean?
Well, it's like I said, don't you want to go on a date with me and this error bot?
went, oh no, you silly man.
I got friend-zoned.
Yeah.
Well, what kind of bot is that?
I think it's probably the best bot you can have.
You don't want a bot that's actually trying to cozy up to you.
Well, somebody might want it that way.
I was rejected by whoever wants it that way needs help.
I'd pay 20 bucks a month for that bot.
It should say yes.
You're paying 20 bucks a month for that bot?
Well, I use Grock for my vibe coding.
So yes, I pay 20 bucks a month.
But not for the bot, for the coding.
Well, at least she has a nice chuckle.
And with that, I want to thank you for your courage to say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in colorectal cancer.
Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one you only missed, John C. Yeah, well, in the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry on a military ship to ski.
Boots on the ground, fit in the air, subs in the water.
In the morning.
All the names and nice out there.
In the morning to the trolls in the troll room.
Here we go.
Coming away.
All right.
So our IPv6 fix.
We're back to 21:35.
So that's getting closer to what we are.
We're on par back in the day because we were getting really low there.
And I've got several reports from people saying, yes, it worked.
So that's good.
And we're very happy.
It's about time.
Yes.
Unfortunately, very few of these people support the show.
No, they all bailed out this week.
You know, we said, oh, I know what it is.
It's because we haven't condemned Israel for the slaughter of the Palestinians.
We haven't condemned Russia.
But that's, I mean, I get email after email.
Email a Palestinian thing.
Yes, because that's what people are told to be outraged about.
So that's what the outrage is about.
And I don't think we've done that for any war.
But this one, this one is particularly different.
I can't tell you why, but, you know, people feel like, because we have not condemned.
I can't tell you why.
Okay.
I mean, you could tell with the No Agenda Social and the other operation that they went to full tilt anti-Jew.
Yeah, but what, see, that even you.
So we attracted these people to begin with.
And then they turned on us.
But you saying that, that makes it even worse.
That compounds the problem.
Because then you tell them the truth and the facts, and then they get.
really mad.
I mean, I have people who, and whenever you start off an email with, I usually give you $100 a year saving up my money as a first grade teacher, but I can no longer in good conscience do that.
It's like, I get so many of those.
Because you're not hating on the Jews.
Well.
It's real easy for me because I'm going to move this back to one show a week because that's what we used to do.
Oh, I am.
Oh, yeah.
And the first thing I'm cutting out is Sunday.
We can do a Thursday show.
If people are going to give us half, it's literally half of what we typically get, then that's fine by me.
I know it's not fine by you.
You don't like me to talk this way, but I'm serious as a heart attack.
Well, good for you.
That's his response, ladies and gentlemen.
No, it's just disappointing.
I mean, we put in the work.
I think we do a stellar job, but because...
because we're not allowing ourselves to be captured and to go along like every other podcast has done and we're not just saying, no, it's it's we don't do that.
We don't condemn people for things.
We tell you what it is and we give you our opinion.
And if you don't like our opinion, okay.
We don't actually give that many opinions.
We're mostly deconstructing news stories.
Mainly.
We just want to process that our opinion creeps in.
Yes.
Well, we have the wrong opinion.
I mean, I have a lot of opinions about PBS and it's a Yeah, I'm opinionated that they shouldn't be getting any money from anybody and they should be sending it to us.
Yes, I'm with you on that.
Anyway, the trolls are, many of them are listening on those modern podcast apps because that's the first thing that bro broke when they were accessing, wrongly accessing us through IPv6, which was not your fault really, but you were holding it wrong.
And so that's why you couldn't listen to the live stream.
Now it's working again.
And I also remembered to send out the bat signal on time.
That kind of helps a lot of people like, hey, I heard you fix it, but I didn't get the bat signal.
My mistake, user error.
And you can do that with a modern podcast app or you can always just listen in at noagenda.stream or the troll room troll room.io.
That's where all the trolls are hanging out.
And yes, proper trolls use VLC.
That's right.
You want to use some geeky device, some geeky widget, VLC.
That works with everything.
Of course, it is value for value.
The entire idea is, if you get any value from what we do, send us some value back.
If you don't, that's going to make us less interested in providing the value.
If you don't find it valuable, don't email me.
Don't listen.
That clearly is not happening.
Do you notice that, John?
Well, according to our numbers, everyone's still listening.
Yes, exactly.
But I like it when I got an interesting note.
This was a good one.
Adam, Both you and John have been integral to my life.
I've been listening since 2016 for free, all caps.
And can honestly say both you and John have helped me navigate through life.
I'm 32 now.
I actually sent hate mail that was just read on some episode, or was read on some episode.
You said my language was nasty or something.
I don't remember.
I just want to come back because both of you cut through the wave so well, it's incredible, and say that my statements still stand.
You guys have become unbearable.
You have an agenda, and the agenda is conservative takeover.
Not quite sure what that means.
What?
Yeah, conservative takeover.
That's our agenda.
Call me whatever the f you want, but since 2016 when I was a young buck, life has still been miserable.
You both are old and have insane egos.
Here's the best part.
It's funny that boots on the ground is your guy's term for insider knowledge of the worker class, but both of you have never imagined what this country is like for being a worker.
I just want to say fu.
I'm like, does this guy ever listen to all the jobs we have had?
He's saying we don't know what it's like to be a worker.
I worked on the assembly line at two different factories.
I used to shoe horses.
Yeah.
You beat me on that one.
I've welded.
I've shoed horses.
I've welded.
And let me tell you, show business is not also glamorous.
It's little worse than a steady paycheck, including doing a podcast.
It's unbelievable.
Anyway.
That's well, I kind of under, you know, I still reminded of the day I've told this story probably four times over the last 20 years, I say 18 years.
When it was like I was in poor Townsend, Washington doing something there and there was a bunch of kids in a cove, one of the boarded up stores.
The town was pretty vibrant, but there's a store, and they're all sitting there doing nothing, and I somehow got into a conversation with them.
I don't remember what the intro was, but I said, Why don't you guys, you know, summertime is summertime.
It's only time you want to be up there.
Summertime, why don't you get a summer job or something?
He says, The guy, one guy just chooses me out.
Oh, he says, Yeah, yeah, doing what?
He says all these companies are shuttered.
There's nothing to do.
We can't get a summer job.
I'd love to work a summer job.
I think you probably did when you were a kid.
I said, Yeah, I worked nothing, but I worked a lot of summer jobs.
Every year in high school, I worked a summer job.
And he went on and on about how you can't get a summer job.
He says he'd work a summer job.
If you get a summer job, where's the summer job?
Should you show me when I go work it?
And he went on like that.
And I took it to heart.
And I believe that these kids have been screwed because of the industrial base being moved to China.
Well, that's a reasonable statement.
I mean, I used to pick potatoes for my summer job.
I used to.
have cot cutting.
They used to have apricot fields all over the Fremont Newark area that you would go pick cots and cut cots.
It used to be cut cots where they would kids in high school would be cutting, you'd cut these apricots in half and you stick them in these dryers and they make dried apricots right there on this in these fields in these farms that were all over the place.
They're all gone.
Wait, wait, I get to tell you about my jobs.
I used to work in the rose nursery, sorting roses by hand where at the end of the summer you have nothing but small tiny cuts from your wrists all the way up to your elbows.
That does not sound like a good job.
That paid well.
You used to stack firewood in the big orange bags, mahogany.
And then at the end of the summer, your knuckles were completely bleeding because of the plastic bags.
Come on, man.
You weren't wearing gloves?
No, no, no, no.
They did not issue gloves to the children.
Shut up, slave.
No.
I painted LPG tanks white in the summer.
Oh, man, I've had so many jobs.
Retail.
Oh, the retail.
Counting out transistors for people.
For nerds.
You have an advantage here.
I have never, that I can think of, I'm pretty sure, if I'm thinking back now, no.
I've never worked retail.
I don't, it's like the problem, even with some of the stuff I do today, it's working with the public.
No.
To be avoided.
So we had, it was an electronic store called Falkenberg.
And it people we had We had the counter and behind us was just all little drawers.
And the drawers were filled with resistors, capacitors.
condensators, transistors, you know, different components.
And then you'd have a nerd and be like, here's my list.
Here's my list.
I need five one kilo ohm resistors.
I need seven 0.5 microfarid condensators.
And then you know, you'd have to look at it, but then you have to check each resistor by the color code to make sure that it was the right resistance.
And of course, the nerd would be going, he has a silver band that's not as accurate as the gold band.
Do you have any of a gold band?
And then you'd have to write every single item out on a paper ticket, and then you put it into the cash register, and you had to swing the handle.
I know it's crazy.
Swing the handle.
And then you had to give the customer their receipt and you had to count backwards with the change.
Where's my boomer jingle?
I think I have a boomer jingle.
Here it is.
Here it is.
I've got a boomer jingle.
Here it is.
Okay, Bill.
It's time for your nap.
All right.
So, of course, we want to thank our AI experts for bringing us the artwork since no one does real art anymore.
It's all basically prompt jockeys.
Episode 1790.
We always have a brand new piece.
And actually, we're not completely convinced this was an AI piece.
Florida Ounce was the title of our show, which got a lot of traction.
As you can tell by the donations, everybody loved it.
Everyone thought it was great, didn't donate.
Florida Ounce was the title.
And this piece of art was done by...
There were some technical issues with it, but it was so good that yeah, we're convinced that it was stolen.
We thought it was stolen, could not find it through the reverse image generator.
It was and then we didn't hit get a note from a comic strip blog.
So then you know it's not stolen and it was the Lando Lakes Indian girl, which of course I don't think is even Lando Gates.
Yeah, but it well, yes, that was the joke.
Lando Gates and he was the Indian girl.
Technicalities, he used the standard art.
Art Generator, no agenda artgenerator dot com template, which doesn't always look that great depending on the background.
Stuff was small.
I mean, there were some good things in there.
It said may contain mRNA, salted carbon butter.
The idea was dynamic.
Where did it say may contain mRNA?
Real small on the banner.
Because then I see it.
Salted carbon.
Now you can't read it.
But what a dynamite idea.
And as far as I know, no one had done it.
No one had ever done this before.
Lando Gates was hilarious.
And he loved it a lot.
He was, he was.
I like the fact that he still got the bare knees, which is important.
Yes, it's a very important part.
He was spiking the ball everywhere on X. He was very happy.
It was a good, it was very good.
That was, it was in fact a very delightful piece of art, and I don't think it was AI generated.
I think he did some work there.
Well, some work had to be done, because I just don't see an AI coming up with it.
And a lot of people tried to do similar, you know, tried to do takeoffs on the carbon butter.ter in the Vaseline jar, which was also funny.
All kinds.
I can't believe it's Bill's butter, Bill's butter, lots of Bill's butter things.
So everyone caught it.
I mean, and that's really, it's always on us.
We always say that if the art is not good, the first thing we say is because we didn't have something that stuck out that artists or even promptors could.
No hook.
That's right, no hook.
So we had a hook.
People grabbed it.
And Sir Saturday, Sir Saturday night, I think it is Sir Saturday, did a great job.
That was very, very funny.
We appreciated that.
noagendartgenerator.com.
That's where you can submit your entries for album art.
It's very important because it looks good when we promote the show the minute we're done and it's highly appreciated.
Now the value portion short, very short.
I think we have what, four, one, two, three, four, five executive associate executive producers and it dive bombs after that to the couple fifties and then it's done.
So I'm not sure why a lot of people got joy from the episode.
That's what I saw, but for some reason.
Do you know that Scaramango is leading the past year leaderboard?
Hmm.
Doesn't surprise me.
You can't get a gig in fashion, so you might as well work for us for free.
For props, for credits, for value.
So we always thank everybody who supports us $50 and above.
That's for brevity's sake, of course, although we could probably go to the forest today.
But we also don't do it under $50 for reasons of anonymity.
And there's a lot of people there who want recurring donations, which we highly appreciate.
That's all we ever really want is just everybody to come to come up with a recurring donation that would really help, particularly at the numbers of people who listen to the show.
But we do have an extra benefit.
It's not a tote bag.
It's not a Andrea Bocelli DVD.
It's a credit, an actual Hollywood credit.
If you support us with $200 or above for the episode, not only will we read your note, no matter how long it is.
I see you, J Trotter.
But we will also give you the credit of Associate Executive Producer, which you can use anywhere Hollywood credits are recognized, including imdb dot com com three hundred dollars or above, and you become an executive producer of this episode of the No Agenda Show.
And we kick it off with Jay Trotter from Bransonton, Florida, who comes within our favorite number 333.33.
And right off the bat, he asks for a deduction.
You've been deduced.
And he has a rather long note, but it's okay.
We will gladly read it today.
He says, Let not your heart be troubled as things with the younger generation Z and Alpha are not as bad as advertised.
At least here in Florida.
As a father of four girls between the ages of six and sixteen, I feel qualified to speak on the matter.
The new teenage rebellion against sick and twisted system they've grown up in is to be a great kid.
These kids, at least the ones I'm around, are the most well behaved and respectful of any I can remember.
They're definitely better than me and my generation X brethren.
If they're at a friend's house, it's way more likely a Bible study will break out than a party.
Whoa.
And I couldn't get them to drink alcohol if I left the bot lot with a note saying, Try this, kids.
They prefer vinyl to digital and already have the new Taylor Swift vinyl on pre order.
Well, that's good and bad.
Well, there you go.
with friends during COVID, not stuck inside as you would think.
They're hard working and competitive in a good way, love God and their country, and are completely immune to mainstream media because to them, it may as well not exist.
Yes, they have phones, but know right from wrong and don't let social media rule their lives.
Where are these wonderkindren?
Of course, there are some rotten apples, but by and large, the upcoming generation is going to end this culture war as the other side isn't reproducing.
Yes, this is true.
And to top it all off, my kids' high school not only has an amateur radio club, my daughter is signed up next semester to take an amateur radio class and excited to get her ham radio license.
Oh, this is good.
That's a kid.
Your kids are probably going to be Eagle Scouts too.
Thank you for your courage.
Please give me some R two D two karma for my exit strategy from twenty plus years of corporate B two B sales as we're opening a brewery this fall.
Wow.
That's that's quite a quite a change.
More on that in my next donation.
Cheers, says J Trotter.
You've got.
Hey, before you before you read the next donation, I have a bonus clip that relates to this.
I actually forgot I have a bonus clip.
I actually forgot I had it because it is indeed true that the young generation, I would say Zs, the Zs, I'm not sure about the Alphas, but the Zs are indeed turning against technology and in particular AI.
And I have a 30-second clip here about their favorite word.
which is now being used when it pertains to artificial intelligence and the like.
I think a way to assess how people are kind of feeling about AI right now, like a vibe check, is the emergence of this word clanker, which has been kind of getting memed around.
It's supposed to be a negative way of talking about some of these technologies.
Oh, that clanker told me to do this or told me to do that.
What do you think is behind that trend?
I think you've got a couple things.
I think if you're looking for evidence of an early sentiment of people pushing back on AI, pushing back on automation, This word is a really fascinating example of that.
It's a slur.
It is something that people are using very much as a slur.
They're using it as a derogatory term to try to label something, some sort of machine.
I mean, clanker or clunker, I think we used to use for a book.
A crappy car, yeah.
Clanker is new.
But then, and this is from a Gen Zer who sent me this.
He also sent me a list of one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
Wait, wait, is the clanker referring to the technology itself or the people promoting it?
No, no, the technology itself.
Because they're like a wanker.
No, no.
I'm thinking wanker, clanker, wanker.
No, no, the technology itself is like, you know, the clanker told me, like the AI told me, my chatbot told me, the clanker.
that's a it's a derogatory term for anything automatic As in a rust, like a robotics, you know, they're using terms for robots, but that's anything that's automated or technology driven is how I understand it.
Rust monkey.
Wireback.
Wireback.
Bolt muncher.
My favorite, Bolt muncher.
Oil drinker.
Yeah, I see it's for robots.
Oil drinker.
Battery burner.
This is a good one too.
That's any phone is just a battery burner.
Copper blood.
Copper blunt.
Copper blunt.
Yeah, let me hear again.
Copper blood.
Copper blunt?
Not sure what that is.
Not sure.
Next one.
Science project.
Yeah.
Tinskin.
I think I like Battery Burner and Bolt Muncher the best.
Well, we'll see what these show up in the wild.
We'll be on the lookout for Bolt Munchers.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you, Gen Z. Okay.
See, the problem is we got Gen Z's, but they're broke.
We got no money.
Yeah, well, you know, everybody can spare five bucks for a good show, I think, is the way I see it.
Edward Jennings in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
225.
I'd like to be a knight.
Okay.
I think this donation gets me there.
I would like to be known as Eddie J from West Haven, Connecticut.
Hmm.
It's funny.
It says Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
As far as food, I'll have a large special from the parties, a pizza.
And you guys can pick the rest.
All right.
How about?
And I'll add to it a Waco Dr. Pepper.
Love you guys.
Keep up the good work.
Great work.
It says great work.
Thank you.
And that's an associate executive producer.
Same for we only have one executive producer today.
That was Jay.
Sean Holman is in Noblesville, Indiana, 219-11 and says thank you Jesus for Adam and John and for my wife Dame Liz.
We celebrated our ninth anniversary by heading to the range and unloading Extendo Mags with her Platypus 1911 from Stealth Arms.
God is good.
Thank you for your courage.
Yes, indeed.
There's nothing like it.
I still haven't unloaded my Platypus 1911.
Michael Harris in St. Helena, California.
That's up here in the wine country.
205-10.
Oh, and he's got a note, which I have to go back and look at.
Do you have it?
I have.
Sorry about it.
Do you have it?
I have.
Why don't you read it?
ITM Gents, I am a sixth generation California wine grape grower in Napa.
Wow.
You should go visit him, John.
I should go visit.
I'm in need of some goat enhanced grape selling karma for this harvest.
Thank you for your courage, Michael Hannah from Muir Hannah Vineyards.
Well, we definitely want to enhance your harvest.
Please let us know how it goes.
You've got karma.
And coming in with $200.
I wonder if he's expecting a bad harvest this year.
I haven't heard anything.
I think he just he just wants to make sure it's a good harvest because if he had a bad harvest, you remember there's there's chemicals in the in all of the California wines.
All of them have atrazine.
A lot of it has to do with them putting them in the wine when they make it.
Well, they have atrazine.
No, it's atrazine in the.
Yes, yes.
The wine is turning.
I don't believe that's true.
I drink a lot of California wine.
I don't understand why there'd be atrazine.
And coming in from Lakewood, Colorado with $200, there she is, Linda Lupatkin, she wants Jobs Karma and asks, Are you worried about AI?
For a resume that gets results, tells your unique story and highlights the value you bring, go to imagemakersinc dot com dot That's Imagemakers Inc.
with a K and work with Linda Lou.
She is the Duchess of Jobs and writer of winning resumes.
Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs.
Jobs, karma.
And right down the street from you actually used to be anyway, Baron Gordon Walton in Austin, Texas, 200 bucks.
And Baron Golden Walton.
He wants this is for to complete the Baronet for John Walton.
And he says with enthusiasm in the morning, Baron Gordon Walton is at every single No Agenda Austin meetup.
He is in fact the first person who drove me to the very first meetup in Austin before I even lived in Austin.
That's how long he's been a part of the show.
And he has made every single member of his family a knight and above.
He is a true, true patron of the No Agenda show.
And not just that, he's a baron.
And we should probably read the next note because it's actually $200 in Canadian.
Alan Bose from Langley, BC, Scandinavia, so that he says it was 200 Canadian to give you only 139 US dollars, but that's okay.
We honor the Canadian dollar dues.
If you want to know why donations from Canada are down, you have to understand that Canadians are broke due to taxation, inflation, and the effect of unchecked immigration.
Carney's goal is five percent of population next year, highest in the world.
Yeah, I'm seeing all kinds of unhappy Canadians about that.
Rent and home ownership are un affordable.
That's partially your dollar.
Think more than $2,000 per month for but that's only $10.
Think more than $2,000 per month for a one-bedroom in the Styx.
Healthcare is unattainable due to lack of services.
What?
I thought they had a great system.
That's what everybody says.
We are a country of mindless sheep that are holding on to the handrails of the Titanic as it goes down.
Oh, now I feel bad about complaining.
Our only hope is that we can change due to the influence of President Trump.
Wow, don't say that out loud, man.
They might pick you up.
They might rouse you off the street.
Well, I'm sorry to hear that, Alan.
I totally believe it.
I mean, the prices are insane everywhere.
That's money printing as far as I'm concerned.
So, well, yes.
And he came in, but since we have Canada on the list, I have a note from a Canadian that I'm going to read.
Bring in the Canucks.
This is David R., one of our producers from Canada.
And he's bitching about my clips, the talk clips, where these women from Canada are complaining about Canada.
And he says, that woman doesn't know her head from her arse.
I have lived in the maritimes for forty years, especially New Brunswick.
We are short over one hundred millimeters of rain this past month.
I have never seen it so dry.
Well, water is running brown, sucking only silly bottoms, fire bombers patrolling the sky, continuously looking for any signs of a new forest fire.
We are mostly small rural communities made up of local volunteer fire departments with old but well maintained gear.
I know I has to put that in there, but well maintained.
We can't chance forest fires.
We don't have the resources to fight multiple fronts.
Wow.
They have to ban everyone from the various woods because there is a portion of the population that is too stupid and selfish not to cause a fire.
But they look just like everyone else.
You can't tell them from the outside.
It sucks, he says, but not as much as a bunch of people losing their homes and lives.
This is not communism.
It's an administrative control.
We use them all the time in industry to keep dumb people from hurting themselves and others.
The lady is an idiot.
Probably couldn't find the maritimes on a map.
That's it.
Wow.
See, it's a note like that that makes me just want them to be our 51st state.
That's a good guy right there.
Yeah, well, he's definitely telling you what his perspective and he's letting it be known and we're reading it on the show so we have balance.
Thank you very much.
And, you know, you guys, you came so close.
Remember how close you came to being awesome?
Man, it was good.
It was good.
You really tried.
I know you did.
You can do it again.
And thank you to all of these executive and associate executive producers for this episode.
Our formula is this.
We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
Water.
Water.
You can't shut up.
Water.
Ah, love you.
them.
Love them, love them, love them.
Love them, love them.
Okay.
Okay, I have two little clips that go together.
The first is an update from the Texas situation here.
Texas situation, what are we doing with these runaway Democrats?
Texas Republicans have ended a legislative session without approving new Trump-backed congressional maps.
However, Governor Greg Abbott has called a second special session that may end up with the GOP-friendly maps getting passed.
Texas Democrats who fled the state to stop the plan from going forward say they're prepared to end their standoff and return to the Capitol.
Those lawmakers appeared to be swayed after California governor Gavin Newsom Newsom announced a special election in his state.
Lawmakers in California will begin working next week on new maps designed to offset the expected GOP gains in Texas.
And this is really astounding because only due to the No Agenda show and you in particular, mister California, did we know that you cannot redistrict California because of the California State Constitution?
And so I was kind of thinking like, well, you know, maybe Abbott will get those districts.
You know, it probably should happen because it's been gerrymandering all over the place.
California can't do anything.
And then new.
Newsom comes up with a gambit, the Election Rigging Response Act, which Californians will be voting on.
I know they say don't mess with Texas.
Don't mess with the great golden state.
Because Donald Trump on January 6 tried to light democracy on fire.
This is very old, Gavin.
Tried to wreck this country.
tried to steal an election as Alex just said by trying to dial in for 11 almost 12,000 votes.
It's not complicated.
We're doing this in reaction to a president of the United States that called a sitting governor of the state of Texas and said, Find me five seats.
This is a great callback, I have to say.
Gavin Newsom, well done.
That's a callback to Virginia, find me these votes.
We're doing it in reaction to that act.
Sure.
We're doing it mindful of our higher angels and better angels.
What is that all about?
Mindful of our higher angels and better angels?
Is that a term you guys use in California about it?
I've never heard it before.
I don't know what he's hallucinating, what he's smoking.
I have no idea.
By the way, before you finish, this was when I discussed the problems with California redistricting.
This was attempted before they put in place the commission.
This was attempted, I believe it was 83, it may have been 88, but I think it was 83.
The Republicans, when they were running the state, put on the ballot exactly what he's doing and the state's Supreme Court nicked it and this precedent, there's no way this can even if it passes, which is doubtful because Californians don't, we just don't put up with this crap.
If even if it passes, it will probably be kicked out by the Supreme Court and then Newsom will blame everybody, but you know, he'll blame somehow blame Trump.
He'll blame these.
This is just showboating by Newsom.
He'll.
He's pathetic.
He'll blame the angels and the higher angels.
We're doing it mindful of our higher angels and better angels.
We're doing it mindful that we want to model better behavior as we've been doing for fifteen years in the state of California with our independent redistricting commission.
We're working through a very transparent, temporary and public process.
That's who we are.
We're putting the maps on the ballot and we're giving the power to the people.
This will be the first redistricting that's ever done.
We'll be asking for the people on November 4th., a special election, coinciding with a lot of local municipal elections, to provide a temporary pathway for congressional maps.
We will affirm our commitment to the state independent redistricting after the 2030 census, but we're asking the voters for their consent to do midterm redistricting in 2026, 2028, and 2030 for the congressional maps to respond to what's happening in Texas, to respond to what Trump is trying to excite.
Okay, excite.
Excite.
Did he mean insight?
To respond to what Trump is trying to excite.
That's exciting.
He said, Trump, stop exciting people.
Oh boy.
Well, that's just dandy.
So you think it'll never pass, it'll never happen.
If it does, it'll get thrown out.
I would be shocked if it passed and then it would be shut down.
This is just him getting as much attention as he can and getting in the news and getting everybody all worked up.
He knows he can't do anything.
Really?
And why does California care what you guys do in Texas.
Well, It's the midterms, man.
It's the midterms.
What difference does it make at this point?
So I think it was six weeks ago, Texas Slim stopped by and we had dinner.
He was handing out $10,000 worth of ground beef in the flood-stricken area, 20 minutes down the road.
He's been working with the Mercy chefs and he stopped by the house and we shared a ribeye together and we caught up and it's always good to hear from Slim.
And he mentioned something at the time which, which I only took a little bit of note of, he said, Oh yeah, man, because, you know, because he's been right.
He said the herd has been depleted.
We're going into a complete beef shortage.
He said, look at the futures.
The futures for beef are up.
The futures for the inputs of the commodity cowboys.
So that's corn, basically.
Those futures are all down because they just don't have enough cattle, except, of course, if you're in the know with the beef initiative and you can find one of the ranchers near you.
I think it's beefinitiative dot com is the is the map and you can get it directly from a rancher and he said and then he says we got the screw worm and i'm like what oh yeah the screw that's funny you brought this up because i had clips uh but i don't have them on this today's show but the screw worm clips and everybody's claiming that you write about the screw worm on any social media and you'll get blocked Here's a quick little just a quick hit.
Our next event taking us out to Austin, Texas, where just moments ago a press conference did wrap up from Governor Abbott as well as Secretary Rollins as they were hosting this press conference on the New World screwworm.
So all this is coming after, back on June 25, governor Greg Abbott directed the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department as well as the Texas Animal Health Commission to establish a joint Texas New World screwworm response team following the recent northward spread of the New World screwworm.
It's an insect.
It kind of looks like a fly.
If you are wondering what a screwworm is.
So the screwworm burrows itself into the head of the cow and essentially eats its brains out.
The screwworm was under control until COVID and the Biden administration..
Huh.
We used to spray, it was pushed down south, I think almost south of Mexico, somewhere into maybe Central America.
We used to spray or drop boatloads, millions and millions of infertile screwworm mates.
Oh, but it was males.
It was like the mosquito gambit from Game.
Same like the mosquito gambit.
And we had kept the screwworm at bay.
The program was canceled because of COVID.
Oh, no.
And the screwworm started inching their way back up north and to the point where they're back in the United States and the Trump administration has not picked up on this at all and nobody else has.
And if you write about this and put it on social media and bitch and mo, people should look this up and get some more details.
You will get banned.
You get not being talked about.
What?
Banned on what?
On X. On X. On everything.
And can the screwworm burrow itself into human beings?
Yeah, oh, it can.
It just usually doesn't.
Hold on a second.
So error., tell me about the screwworm.
Can it burrow into my brain and eat it?
So, about the screwworm, it's a nasty parasitic fly that lays eggs in open wounds or mucous membranes.
The New World screwworm, or Cochleomyria hominivorax, is the one you're likely hearing about.
Its larvae hatch and burrow into living tissue, feeding on it, which can cause a condition called meiosis.
It's mostly a problem for livestock, but humans can get infected, especially if they have untreated wounds or sores.
It's been making a comeback in Central America, with cases reported in places like Nicaragua and Mexico.
Now, Can it burrow into your brain and eat it?
That's a terrifying thought, but it's extremely rare.
There have been cases, like in Nicaragua, where larvae got into dangerous areas, and one report mentioned a patient needing urgent treatment to prevent brain damage.
If the larvae get into a critical spot, like through the nose or an open head wound, they could theoretically cause serious harm by burrowing deeper.
But this isn't common.
Most human cases involve skin...
Be quiet.
Just know.
Screwworm.
Yeah, she's wordy.
It's very wordy.
Now we know more.
It's a flesh eating disease, basically a flesh eating bug.
And you get blocked.
Well, they didn't block the bot.
They didn't block the bot.
You must have blocked them.
They had that thing under control until COVID.
Where you had you said you had clips because I'm looking, I don't see any.
I know, I I there were no.
I had clips.
I don't even know if I produced them.
I mean, for some reason it got left on the cutting board.
All I have is But I do know about I know the basis because it came up at the dinner table.
All I have is...
Screw your freedom.
I don't have any other screw clips.
It's too bad.
Screw your freedom.
No, we should do some more discussion of the screwworm because it's a huge problem.
Texas Slim would be the first guy to notice it because he's in Texas.
And he's a creepypastor.
Yeah, and he's a rancher.
He knows what they're doing.
They're basically they've they lost the plot on this thing and it's gotten back into the country.
That's not good.
Okay.
Another good news do you have?
Well, I do have some climate change stuff.
Oh, well, due to climate change, I'm all in.
Let it be our last happy news.
And by the way, I believe they'll blame climate change for the screwworm.
Oh.
You watch.
It's fun.
It's more fun to blame the Biden administration, honestly.
Yeah, well, I'm blaming everybody.
Okay.
All right, what do we have here?
This is the I got a series of clips on climate change and the EPA and how they're and the EPA, this is a funny series of clips.
It's classic PBS stuff where they bring an expert on and she just yacks about stuff she doesn't know anything about.
Oh, perfect.
Well, you're here right at the beginning.
Last month, the Trump administration proposed revoking the landmark.
2009 scientific finding that's been the basis for EPA regulation of greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act.
If the proposal is finalized, it's almost certain to be challenged in court.
And if the administration succeeds, experts warn that it could jeopardize the health of millions of Americans, especially children.
We're all going to die.
Pediatrician Deborah Hendrickson is a clinical professor at the University of Nevada Medical School and the author of The Air They Breathe, a Pediatrician on the Front Lines of Climate Change.
Doctor Hendrickson, what would be the effect of revoking this finding on the health of Americans, especially children?
children oh boy we're all gonna die children first brother so they bring a pediatrician on to discuss the effects of lessening the co2 requirements is basically all this is is they backed off on the co2 requirements because somebody yeah so we could make we could make the math we can make muscle cars again yeah Did the math and said, this is bull crap, but okay, we're all going to die.
Now the pediatrician who is a doctor for children, probably corrupt, but she's a teacher tooing at one of the universities.
But she's a doctor for children, but somehow she's an expert on climate.
Oh, interesting.
Doctor Hendrickson, what would be the effect of revoking this finding on the health of Americans, especially children?
Well, if they revoke this finding, it knocks out a major pillar in our fight against the growing, you know, wildfires, rising heat waves and worsening floods and hurricanes we've been seeing for the past two decades.
And it makes it more likely that all of these problems will continue to get worse in the future.
Okay.
So that's going to Wait a minute.
That's going to kill the children's nutrition, but somehow now she's a weather expert.
And by the way, that hurricane has been downgraded.
They're all bummed about it.
Oh, it went from a one to a five and now it's downgraded again, Aaron.
Yeah, now it's a wet fart.
Yeah, there's nothing.
It's no good.
Oh, yeah, sorry.
That's a shame.
Okay.
Here she goes.
She's going to now she's going to be an expert in something else.
Here we go.
And failing to stop this process to me is, you know, a crime against children in my view because not only are they going to inherit the hotter, more dangerous, and more chaotic world that we're creating, but they're already more vulnerable to the growing health hazards of that world.
And we're already seeing that.
Things like worsening air pollution, rising heat waves, and the trauma of natural disasters.
And so we're losing many of the gains we've had over the past century in infant mortality and children's health and welfare.
Explain that.
You said that their children are more vulnerable.
Explain that.
Yeah, so there's a long list of reasons why children are more vulnerable, but particularly children under five.
And there's three major reasons that we talk about most.
One is that their physiology is different.
That's the way their bodies work.
So we often say in pediatrics that children are not just small adults.
And that's because you can't just take the same calculations and assumptions you would for an adult and apply them to a small child.
The second big reason is that they're smaller in size.
And the third reason is that their organs and body systems are still developing and can be easily derailed by pollutants and environmental harm.
So for example, if a city is engulfed in smoke like my city Reno often is, and a baby or toddler in that city is breathing that smoke, they breathe faster than their parents and they are taking in more air pollution per pound of weight.
And their lungs and brain are still developing and can be adversely affected by that pollution.
Oh man.
You know what it is like sucking in soot.
That's right.
Sucking in soot.
Sucking in soot.
Yep.
That's faster than adults, baby.
So she's in Reno, where Mimi was raised.
And Mimi, I told her about this clip, and she said, well, it's always been hot in Reno in the summer.
It's like a new thing.
But okay, here we go.
For your book, I know that you spoke to a lot of young people about growing up in areas with sex.
That's why she's on with heavy pollution.
What did they tell you?
What are the sorts of things they told you?
You know, in our town, it causes a lot of distress and mental health problems because we've been encased in smoke sometimes for eight to ten weeks at a time.
In 2021 there were two huge wildfires nearby.
And as the weeks wore on, you know, it's very hard on everyone's mental health.
But a lot of kids, I think adolescents, I'm talking about primarily, feel kind of betrayed that nothing has been done about this problem to help ensure a better future for them.
EPA director Lee Zeldin, when he announced this proposal, said that the finding twisted the law, ignored precedent, and warped science to achieve their preferred ends.
What do you say to that?
I think that's exactly the opposite of the truth.
I mean, I think that the statement they released by the five scientists are kind of known for being contrarians on this topic, that if they reverse it, it is disregarding the science, jeopardizing public health, and it is in direct contradiction to their mandate to protect public health under the Clean Air Act.
Doctor, you practice in Reno, Nevada, which is by some accounts the fastest warming city in the United States.
You know what they don't how can one place be fastest warming if they if you have global warming it's the word what does the word global mean to you?
means around the world.
So how is one place the fastest warming?
And we heard this over the years.
We've done this during the no agenda era.
We've heard Alaska's the fastest warming.
This place is the fastest warming.
One place or many times.
Many times.
Yes.
Many, many times.
And it's never made sense.
Don't be denied.
The science is in.
Science.
Thanks.
you You can play the last of it.
What do you see in your practice and the patients you see?
Yeah, so when we get engulfed in smoke, it's called a smoke wave that will come over.
because we're 10 miles from the California border so when the big fires hit California, we get we're downwind immediately downwind and we really get hit by it.
And the clinic and the hospital will fill with kids wheezing and coughing.
You know, we've had kids, the pediatric ward will fill up with kids on oxygen.
During heat waves, which often go with, you know, we usually have a heat wave before the smoke hits because the heat will trigger the fire to start.
We often see kids fainting in athletic practices.
You know, there's been studies showing that pediatric ER visits go up 17% in hot weather and smoke waves also increase asthma visits by up to 78% according to one study of the campfire in 2018.
So these events have a huge impact on children's immediate health and because they affect development, like I mentioned, they can have a lifelong impact as well.
Dr. Deborah Hendrickson of the University of Nevada Medical School, thank you very much.
Thank you for wasting our time with your nonsense.
Boy, oh boy.
Well, that's really uplifting, John.
Thanks.
That's perfect.
Welcome.
There's nothing like a little climate change at the end of the show.
Oh, would somebody please pick up the children.
Due to climate change.
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This next one may be useful.
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So Ukraine is a country, Russia is a bigger country, Russia is a powerful country.
Russia decided to invade militarily, unprovoked.
Basically, that's wrong.
We respect the sovereignty, the territorial integrity.
right We as America are saying that's wrong and we will stand with Ukraine in saying that that is wrong.
We know that what Russia is doing is wrong.
There needs to be severe consequences.
You'll hear on the news their bad behavior.
You'll hear on the news their bad behavior.
That's the issue.
Since their bad behavior, you'll hear on the news their bad behavior.
Hey, dear, that's what the issue is.
Essentially.
Right.
It was packed with sweet tea, veggies, and the best fresh catfish that shopper Diane Chavis sent in.
Dan Chamis said, yeah.
Who brought you into that?
Best ground beef in town.
Just so that I can keep working.
Just a bit smaller.
Now Jimmy Wright is not talking about his own store closing.
Customers will still come for that good beef.
Summerberry still.
Please don't.
I'm sorry, please.
I'm just desperate to find this.
Who brought you into that?
Best ground beef in town.
Best fresh catfish that showed up.
It just feels like we should get some warning.
Wait.
20-minute drive from Harbor.
Because some of us depend on it.
Do you want anything else?
Miles packed with sweet tea, veggies, Yeah.
What brought you into that?
Best brown beef in town.
Everybody drove away.
20-minute drive.
Now Jimmy Wright is not talking about his bloomstone.
