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1788 - "chatJCD"

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	Well, I'm here on the street and I don't know anything.
	I'm dumb.
	You can tell by listening to my voice and my accent.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, August 7th, 2025.
	This is your award-winning Gibbon Nation Media Assassination episode 1788.
	This is no agenda.
	Gerrymandering for joy and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA region number six.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	Yeah, from Northern Silicon Valley, where we're all wondering how Sydney Sweeney can still be in the news.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Craig Laudenbuzzkill in the morning.
	Really?
	Is that...
	It's left.
	My news.
	Still talking about it.
	No, it's left.
	I haven't seen it.
	Go on MSN.
	You see, go ahead.
	Oh, no.
	MSN.
	Just get their browser.
	Get a browser.
	What's the name of that browser they got there at Microsoft that as soon as you hit it, they play ads by the ton?
	The outlook.
	Clickbait.
	The clickbait browser.
	Edge, Edge.
	Yeah, the Edge clickbait browser.
	And it's not like they're trolling your computer to see what you're interested in.
	No, no, no.
	None of that.
	They don't have to.
	This stuff is too good.
	They know they want it.
	I have some sad news, actually.
	I was trying, desperately trying to create a show, Adam Curry and Chat JCD.
	Oh, yes.
	Right.
	This is your challenge.
	Get rid of me as you've been trying.
	Impossible.
	It turns out none of these chatbots can have a conversation.
	They only understand the question and answer model.
	So if I'm not asking a question or end my sentence with a huh, then it will not respond.
	And everything it says, if it's just random, it ends with a question.
	It's like it can't work alongside me and just chat.
	Does that make sense?
	Okay, there's a question.
	So it could answer that.
	But just this hoity banter we have, it's impossible.
	Well, dissolvable.
	It's not solvable.
	Yes, it is.
	It can be fixed.
	It will be fixed.
	How?
	Well, some one of these geniuses will fix it.
	No, no, it's not meant for that.
	And if you look at every video, everything out there.
	It's not meant for that.
	That's kind of an interesting thing to say out of the blue.
	Is that a strange thing I'm saying?
	Well, no, you might be right.
	Yeah, it's meant for questions.
	That means it's not solvable.
	No, it's a question and answer.
	It can't just because I've tried it.
	And I give it the pre-prompt, like, just jump in whenever you hear a pause.
	And it would jump in and would ask me a question.
	Like, I don't need your question.
	Just give me your opinion.
	Doesn't have opinions.
	Has no idea.
	It's got plenty of opinions, but they're always couched in the form of a question or an answer.
	Yes, exactly.
	So it sucks.
	And I don't know.
	Oh, you gave up too soon.
	I'm really disappointed because I was ready.
	I was ready.
	Yeah, well, you know, too bad.
	Well, it does turn out that it's really good.
	Really good.
	I mean, like, just uncannily good, even though it sounds like that, what's the phrase?
	Are you using my voice, by the way?
	Oh, no, I didn't even get to that.
	I just used what I did say, try to sound a little effeminate.
	And it was like, hey, hey, darling.
	Hey, darling.
	Like, no, no, no, let's not do that.
	That didn't work.
	Chat GPT and the GPTs are very good, though, apparently, at job interviews.
	Artificial intelligence might help you apply for a job.
	And as it turns out, it may also end up interviewing you.
	Some companies are relying on the technology to have initial conversations with candidates, claiming it saves them time and money.
	Welcome to the interview for the marketing specialist champ position.
	Isn't that the guy from France 24?
	They use his voice.
	Welcome to the NAV.
	That's possession.
	Man, I'd be hanging up right away.
	Like, seriously?
	But it doesn't stop.
	Wait a minute.
	What are you playing here?
	Is this what if I call to get an interview?
	This is what I end up hearing?
	Yes.
	On the phone?
	This is the pre-interview.
	they schedule an interview.
	I'm sure that's all AI schedule.
	Is it on the phone?
	Well, it's a phone call.
	Or is it over the computer?
	Is it on this is not made clear?
	This is not made clear.
	Claiming it saves them time and money.
	Welcome to the interview for the marketing specialist position.
	We're excited to learn more about you and your background.
	When Nancy Shafiq logged on for her, I think the AI is incapable of being excited about anything.
	Latest job interview, she realized she was speaking to artificial intelligence.
	What was the clue?
	What was the giveaway?
	Was it something the way it spoke or that voice that you've heard a million times?
	I was caught off guard.
	I was shocked that it was asking such good follow-up questions.
	She says the AI was extremely polite, but she felt something was missing.
	There's no small talk, nothing personal, and I wasn't able to really tell if my answers were landing or not.
	These AI hiring bots can now screen shortlist and interview job applicants.
	It's set up like a Zoom meeting.
	Candidates have a conversation with a synthetic voice.
	The AI will then summarize the call and score the candidates for someone at the hiring company to review.
	Do you have any questions about how this interview will go?
	For some applicants, AI can add confusion to the process.
	Maureen Green had to end an interview herself because the AI wouldn't stop talking.
	So an hour in, I'm like, so I don't mean to interrupt, but you know, it's been more than half an hour after the scheduled time of our interview.
	I just want to be mindful of your time, even though I'm like, it's an AI agent.
	There's a second.
	This is from CBC, by the way.
	I decided to give it a try and test the AI's reaction.
	Oh, deep journalistic effort.
	How much do you get paid?
	Haha.
	Well, I'm just here to help with the interview process, so I don't have a paycheck.
	But for this role, compensation details would be discussed.
	Stop.
	That haha is very sarcastic.
	Yeah, it was rude.
	Borderline rude.
	I think so.
	Ha ha.
	Ha ha.
	Well, yeah, haha.
	Ha ha.
	Ha ha.
	Ho ho to the funny farm.
	Ha ha.
	Well, I'm just here to help with the interview process, so I don't have a paycheck.
	But for this role, compensation details would be discussed later in the hiring process.
	Anything else you're curious about?
	My conversation went pretty smoothly with no glitches, though I probably didn't score the job.
	There are a handful of startups working on this software.
	One of them, Toronto-based Ribbon AI, was founded just two years ago.
	CEO Arsham Garamani says he already has 400 customers.
	I do think this will become the norm for a lot of industries.
	So think like a manufacturer, really large restaurant chains.
	Employees.
	These are all areas where it's often really hard to hire for those roles.
	He says the AI recruiter works around the clock, so it saves employers from running hundreds of interviews a day, and it frees up human employees from tedious tasks like scheduling.
	No Garamani instructors.
	I think a lot of people are scared because AI is getting so good so fast.
	And I understand those fears there.
	But I think ultimately, humans are always making decisions.
	I think there'll always be a human in the loop.
	Still, it's clear as more companies embrace the technology.
	Who knows what's next?
	Workers will have to expect changes too.
	No.
	No, you're going to wind up hiring crap candidates.
	This is so.
	Oh, yeah.
	There'll be a little pamphlet or a book or something on how to beat the AI because there'll be two or three companies that set these systems up and so they'll all have the same flaws.
	So once the flaws are exploited, the smart money will get all the jobs.
	The whole thing is.
	There's not even smart money.
	It's just people that looked up the right way to do it.
	This whole thing.
	I mean, do you want to stick on AI?
	Because I have a lot.
	We can come back to it later if you prefer.
	I'm happy to do it now.
	And there's some.
	I've given my whole thing.
	I want to do these vax clips, but I got a lot of vax clips too.
	We're vax crazy, man.
	We're going back to vax.
	I would like to start the vax clips because I think you're going to have a hard time beating NPR.
	But hold on, let me see.
	I think I have NPR vax clips.
	Let me see.
	Well, I don't actually.
	It may be.
	I'll tell you what, because it's top of mind, and as we know, the M5M is completely owned by Big Pharma.
	They are the largest advertiser by over 70% of revenue.
	The amount of scripted stuff just is so disgusting.
	I didn't want to set you.
	I want to set you up.
	I want to set you up.
	Okay, I was just going to say that this trickles down to local.
	Oh, it trickles down to everywhere.
	But I think the most important thing we can do for our no agenda producers is go to the origin, the origin being the actual statement Robert F. Kennedy Jr. made.
	He makes it.
	Well, please don't because it's the punchline to my NPR clips.
	Okay.
	Do your NPR clips and screw y'all.
	Go find it yourself.
	No, it'll be in here.
	It's all in here.
	Well, yeah, okay.
	Okay.
	Let's do it.
	Except it's all in here except for the good part.
	Well, yeah, that's why I wanted to play the whole thing.
	No, no, the good part.
	That's the punchline.
	Really, take my word for it.
	I'm taking your word.
	It's the last clip.
	Chat JCD would just say, sure, Adam, go ahead.
	You're the one who's going to be a good person.
	Yeah, no, no, that's the first thing.
	That's the reason that I'm here.
	Go for it.
	It's the part they left out.
	But they go through the whole thing.
	This is terrible.
	This is NPR.
	And I want to mention this in advance.
	These people wanted government money, taxpayer money, to produce what is nothing less than, it should only be called drivel.
	And the people that they brought on, it just, it's an apology for the whole big pharma.
	Let's play these clips starting with clip one.
	The Department of Health and Human Services is canceling almost a half billion dollars in federal contracts that were meant to develop new mRNA vaccines.
	It's the latest step that the administration has taken to curtail vaccine development and availability.
	Ooh, curtail.
	Okay, I had to stop it here.
	They've taken steps to curtail availability.
	Haven't we discussed this on the show a million times that this bullcrap?
	All they're doing is keeping people from getting it for free.
	Maybe you can always get these vaccines.
	Yes.
	That is what we call a lie.
	Yes, a lie.
	So they start off the entire presentation with a blatant lie.
	Yes.
	The administration is trying to curtail availability.
	That's what she said.
	I heard it.
	I heard it.
	We should defund them.
	Oh, wait.
	Let's go to two.
	Hail vaccine development and availability.
	The move has alarmed, alarmed, alarmed public health experts and NPR health correspondent Rob Stein joins us now to explain.
	Hi, Rob.
	Hey there.
	Hi.
	Hey there.
	Hey, so I don't want to exaggerate here, but...
	But okay.
	Hey, hey, Adam.
	That's okay.
	But go ahead, Kara.
	Hey there.
	Hey there.
	Hey, so, hey, so I don't want to exaggerate here, but this sounds like a huge blow, load, load to the development of mRNA technology, right?
	Like, what exactly did the Trump administration announce here?
	Yeah, it's a huge blow.
	The mRNA technology is what made the most commonly used COVID-19 vaccines available so fast.
	Holy crowd, this guy is great.
	Where he comes from, he works for NPR.
	You're not getting enough ad noise in there.
	He doesn't breathe.
	Did he come from the podcast side of the house?
	It's just interesting.
	But Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. says the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, known as BARDA, is canceling a slew of federal contracts that were meant to develop mRNA technology to protect the country against respiratory viruses that could cause the next pandemic and other threats.
	Let's listen to a little of what Kennedy said in this video.
	It's so hard to take this guy seriously.
	Just listen to January threats.
	Announcement.
	After extensive review, BARDA has Begun the process of terminating these 22 contracts totaling just under $500 million.
	And this comes after Kennedy had already canceled more than $700 million in contracts to develop an mRNA vaccine to protect against flu viruses that could cause the next outbreak, like, you know, the bird flu.
	Yeah.
	Wait, so did he say why he's doing all this?
	Well, you know, Kennedy has long questioned the safety of these vaccines, and he's also saying the effectiveness of the mRNA vaccines leaves something to be desired.
	As the pandemic showed us, mRNA vaccines don't perform well against viruses that infect the upper respiratory tract.
	And Kennedy goes much further, claiming the mRNA vaccines actually speed the evolution of the virus and can't keep up with new mutations.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, first of all, they're taking these selective clips from the Kennedy talk.
	Yes, very much so.
	And then they're extrapolating, which is what you do.
	And then they're doing it in such a way that it's like the guy's a maniac.
	This Kennedy guy.
	His vaccine has stayed.
	We know it's not true.
	We can't prove to the contrary, but we all know it's not true.
	He's anti-vax.
	Yeah, because he's anti-vax.
	We know that.
	That's the problem with this guy.
	Let's go to after reviewing the science and consulting top experts at NIH and FDA.
	AHHS has determined that mRNA technology poses more risk and benefits for these respiratory viruses.
	Wait, hold on.
	How are public health experts?
	Hold on.
	I'm a newsreader.
	I know a lot about this stuff.
	Hold on.
	It's safe and effective.
	Wait, hold on.
	How are public health experts responding to that?
	Yeah, they're saying that none of what Kennedy claims is true.
	Yes, none of it.
	Not a single bit of it.
	I know.
	This is the memo that went out.
	None of it is true.
	None of it.
	None of it.
	There's tons of evidence to the contrary.
	A new report just came out from Japan showing the rate of deaths for people that got the shot is higher than the rate of deaths of people that didn't get the shot to an extreme.
	But none of it's true.
	None of it.
	None of it.
	Not a single word of it.
	Well, who do you think they're going to bring in to talk about it?
	Oh, please let it be Hotiz.
	No.
	Hotez is only network TV.
	Hotez is only network TV.
	He's very rarely on NPR.
	Ah, that's too bad.
	He's a good guy.
	He's better.
	He's a good guy.
	He's a good guy.
	Yeah, but this guy's better.
	Really?
	Better than HOTEP?
	Okay.
	All right, here we go.
	According to the experts I talked to today, there is overwhelming evidence that the mRNA COVID vaccines are very safe and that they continue to protect people against severe illness, even as the coronavirus evolves, and that they've saved millions of lives.
	Here's Michael Alserhom from the University of Minnesota.
	The progenitor of everything, the guy who came on just before I was on Rogan, telling us that 2 million people were going to die overnight.
	Ah!
	This may be the most dangerous, by the way, got COVID himself and has been long COVID, which I think is a vaccine.
	I think he's a vax injury.
	And don't pay no attention to that.
	Alserhum from the University of Minnesota.
	This may be the most dangerous public health judgment that I've seen in my 50 years in this business.
	It is baseless.
	And we will pay a tremendous.
	How old is he?
	Well, he's probably 70 then.
	He's been in the business for 50 years?
	No, but if he was 20, you can get in the business when you're 20.
	You can't get your medical degree by the time you're 20.
	No, you know, in the business, the business of health, the healthcare business doesn't mean you have to be an MD.
	I could be in the healthcare business without an MD for 50 years.
	He's 72.
	He's 72.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	I can see it.
	I concede.
	It's baseless.
	And we will pay a tremendous price, both in terms of illnesses and deaths.
	I'm extremely worried about it.
	Because Elsa, he says this leaves the nation without the quickest response to a new pandemic.
	And also, many say abandoning mRNA technology leaves the country more vulnerable to bioterrorism.
	Here's Chris Meekins.
	He's a bio-defense official in the first Trump administration.
	This is a tell.
	This is a tell.
	You know, the whole one of the main theories that this was a bioweapon test gone wrong and that the mRNA shots were there as the antidote.
	It's a tell when people are coming out.
	Well, you know, it's like we're open to bioterrorism now without that awesome mRNA technology.
	Well, don't forget we had the clips from Malone that discussed the fact that this was the CIA's answer.
	The CIA funded it.
	Funded answer to bioterrorism, and they wanted to create a platform and to use the word platform.
	Platform, yes, platform.
	Yes.
	Well, I think it's a good idea.
	So you could stop anything.
	But the problem with the platform, and the Dinovirus platform was the other one that was competitive that caused the blood clots.
	Their platform is equal to, well, I was going to say OS2, but that was actually kind of good.
	It's basically Windows 3.1.
	It's a platform that's no good.
	It's got documentation.
	All the documentation is coming out is against it.
	But these guys are fighting back.
	I don't know why they're fighting back to such an extreme.
	They've either got something planned.
	I don't like it.
	First Trump administration.
	I think that it endangers the national security of the United States.
	It could put the U.S. at a strategic national security disadvantage and would be a significant threat to the national security of the United States.
	Because the U.S. will no longer have the most powerful.
	He's got two reasons.
	If you go back it up, there's two reasons that this is a problem.
	One, it's a national security threat.
	And two, it's a national security threat to the United States.
	Right, because we won't have this.
	It's the same exact thing.
	What is he saying?
	There was because of this and that, and they're both the same, national security threat, national security threat.
	Now you're just mutinuke.
	Okay?
	It's okay.
	We got it.
	I think that it endangers the national security of the United States.
	It could put the U.S. at a strategic national security disadvantage and would be a significant threat to the national security of the United States.
	Because the U.S. will no longer have the most powerful deterrent, effective vaccines that could be deployed quickly.
	Now, Kennedy says the government instead plans to invest in another technology that uses whole viruses that have been killed.
	He says that works better because it produces natural immunity, but the whole virus technology is much older and has had some safety issues.
	It isn't nearly as nimble as the mRNA technology.
	That is NPR.
	Our health correspondent Rob Stein.
	Thank you, Rob.
	Okay.
	So this guy, this was so bad.
	It was an embarrassment.
	NPR should be ashamed of itself for this presentation.
	And they played these clips from Kennedy, but the one clip they left out, which is this one, which is part of the big clip that you have.
	And I want to play this clip because this is the clip that they, this is editing by omission, where you leave something out so you can tell your story.
	But your story is bull crap because you left something out and what you left out is the good clip.
	And this is the Vax Kennedy clip left out.
	One mutation and the vaccine becomes ineffective.
	This dynamic drives a phenomenon called antigenic shift, meaning that the vaccine paradoxically encourages new mutations and can actually prolong pandemics as the virus constantly mutates to escape the protective effects of the vaccine.
	Yeah, that was a very important part of his presentation.
	That was to me the most important part.
	Well, what he said, other things.
	I mean, I can play it, but.
	Yeah, well, you might as well play the whole thing now so we can actually hear what he said instead of the NPR propaganda.
	And by the way, they were, they were amongst the worst.
	But then when I heard my local news reporter.
	report yeah from a ktvu it was probably worse do you have a clip no okay i mean i could clip all day and it'd be the same thing yeah just you know what it is it's just a bunch of promotion well promotion it's uh it's um what is the term, Hilton Knowles?
	It's crisis management is what it is.
	Because they don't want people to stop getting any vaccine.
	You know, we don't want you to be, because, you know, people are stupid.
	They're like, oh, vaccine's not good.
	Robert Kennedy said it.
	MMRI, MMR, it's a big one for us.
	We can't have them stop taking that.
	They have example after example.
	I'm not happy with everything RFK Jr. said, though.
	Hi, it's Robert F. Kennedy Jr. here.
	Hey, why don't you go?
	Hey, hi, ho.
	Hey, everybody.
	Hey, it's Bobby.
	It's Bobby, everybody.
	Your HHS secretary.
	I like that.
	I'm your HHS secretary.
	At HHS, we have a division called the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, or BARDA.
	BARDA drives some of our most advanced scientific research.
	It funds developments of vaccines, drugs, diagnostics, and other tools to fight emergent diseases and national health threats.
	Over the past few weeks, BARDA reviewed 22 mRNA vaccine development investments and began canceling them.
	Let me explain why.
	Most of these shots are for flu or COVID, but as the pandemic showed us, mRNA vaccines don't perform well against viruses that infect the upper respiratory tract.
	Here's the problem.
	mRNA only codes for a small part of the viral proteins, usually a single antigen.
	One mutation, and the vaccine becomes ineffective.
	This dynamic drives a phenomenon called antigenic shift, meaning that the vaccine, paradoxically, encourages new mutations and can actually prolong pandemics as the virus constantly mutates to escape the protective effects of the vaccine.
	Millions of people, maybe even you or someone you know, are dead.
	Caught the Omicron variant despite being vaccinated.
	That's because a single mutation can make mRNA vaccines ineffective.
	The same risk applies to flu.
	After reviewing the science and consulting top experts at NIH and FDA, HHS has determined that mRNA technology poses more risk than benefits for these respiratory viruses.
	Didn't hear that anywhere.
	That's why after extensive review, BARDA has begun the process of terminating these 22 contracts totaling just under $500 million.
	Now, wait for it.
	To replace the troubled mRNA programs, we're prioritizing the development of safer, broader vaccine strategies.
	Not liking this, Bobby.
	Like whole virus vaccines and novel platforms that don't collapse when viruses mutate.
	Let me be absolutely clear.
	HHS supports safe, effective vaccines for every American who wants them.
	Yeah, keep that up.
	Tell everyone this one is safe and effective.
	Try that on us.
	That's why we're moving beyond the limitations of mRNA for respiratory viruses and investing in better solutions.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	And they're going for that one vaccine for all.
	I don't like it.
	I don't like that.
	I don't like that.
	Well, I don't like any of it.
	But he has to do what he has to do because he's under so much pressure by the cutting.
	No.
	I'm not accepting that.
	He was like, oh, we're going to open up the archives.
	We're going to look at all the corruption radio vaccines.
	Okay, the three promises is what you're referring to.
	Yes, including, yeah, we're going to really look at all the damage that these vaccines have done, and we're going to stop advertising.
	He can't stop the advertising because it's all editorializing, as witnessed by this mini-cut of four M5M reports, which are, of course, exactly the same, promote the makers.
	Well, hold on a second.
	I know where you're going here, but you can stop the advertising.
	The advertising is what drives the editorial.
	Now, I would say, here's the argument you can make.
	Okay, so there's no more advertising, so they're not going to pay us to do editorials.
	They're going to give us big bucks to just do the straight, which is what you're suggesting.
	Yes.
	But I don't think that you're going to get away with that.
	Oh, please.
	Yeah, I don't think so.
	You've been on the take for those Amazon tip of the days for months.
	No one knew it.
	No one knew it.
	I should have a link.
	I should have a special code.
	Code Bungino.
	New at 7, the U.S. Health Department says it plans to cancel contracts and cut funding for some vaccines being developed to fight respiratory viruses, including COVID-19.
	Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. now says $500 million worth of vaccine development projects will be halted.
	The 22 projects are led by major drug makers like Pfizer and Moderna.
	The targeted vaccines are credited with slowing the wait a minute.
	Are you telling me that Pfizer and Moderna, who make billions and billions in profits, this is right up your alley, can't finance their own damn research?
	Why is the taxpayer picking up the tab for this when they have plenty of profits to do it and they're going to make more money from our taxpayer-funded research?
	Is that what you're saying?
	Here's how the meeting went.
	Hi, we're from Fiderna.
	This is a new coalition, and we want to talk to you about editorial that, you know, we might just transfer some money to some other department.
	But Fiderna, we're very concerned about these contracts that have been canceled.
	We want to keep our name out there to make us look like the little guy, like the big government is trying to come down on us.
	And you have to follow it up by saying our product, Fiderna, our products was responsible for really saving people's lives.
	But say it a little softer.
	Two projects are led by major drug makers like Pfizer and Moderna.
	The targeted vaccines are credited with slowing the 2020 coronavirus pandemic.
	That's perfect.
	That's exactly the line I want.
	Could you type that out for me so I can give it to everybody else?
	Kennedy says he wants the department to invest in, quote, better solutions, but provided no details on what those better solutions might be.
	Let's try the next guys.
	The Department of Health and Human Services plans to cancel contracts and pull funding for some vaccines being developed to fight viruses like COVID-19 and the flu.
	Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announced that $500, $500 million, I should say, worth of vaccine development projects using Myrna technology.
	Myrna, tell her it's Myrna.
	It's not Myrna.
	Tell her it's mRNA.
	She said Myrna.
	I'm not paying for this spot.
	This is ridiculous.
	Worth of vaccine development projects using Myrna technology will be halted.
	The 22 projects are led by major pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer and Moderna.
	And these mRNA or Myrna vaccines are credited with slowing the 2020 coronavirus pandemic.
	Kennedy wants the department.
	Credited with slowing, credited with slowing the pandemic.
	It's the opposite of what is being said by Kennedy.
	No details, no, no details.
	No details.
	He had plenty of details, but there's no details.
	No, it's a catchphrase.
	All of this and let's do it again.
	Health and Human Services is pulling $500 million worth of vaccine development funding.
	Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said the 22 projects being halted all use mRNA technology.
	That's the type of vaccine credited with slowing the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Excellent, excellent.
	Credited with.
	Very good.
	But did you?
	I didn't hear our names in there.
	Kennedy said he wants the department to start investing in better solutions.
	The Department of Health and Human Services will cancel contracts and pull funding for some vaccines that are being developed to fight viruses like COVID-19 and the flu.
	According to AP News, this will impact 22 projects led by pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer and Moderna.
	While mRNA vaccines are credited with slowing the 2020 pandemic, Kennedy said he wants the department to move away from mRNA vaccines, calling on the department to start investing in better solutions.
	Yes, better solutions.
	Okay, so that's how it works.
	But let's pull in some real editorial.
	And if you really want to come across as credible and your CBS and your The Morning Show, you bring in Dr. Celine Gounder, who I believe the husband literally died.
	I mean, it wasn't from a vax or anything.
	Wasn't that the guy, the sports reporter?
	I'm pretty sure it was.
	Maybe Pounder Gounder, not sure.
	I'm sure.
	I think it was.
	The Trump administration is pulling half a billion dollars in funding for our mRNA vaccine research projects.
	Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. says the technology is too risky, even though it's been widely used for COVID vaccines.
	Yes, Gounder Grant Wall.
	He died at the World Cup in Qatar.
	But, you know, it had nothing, it had nothing to do with safe and effective vaccines.
	Well, she gets paid money and she gets paid money.
	And what are you going to do at some point?
	To hell with hubby.
	To hell with hubby.
	There's a show title.
	So there it still galls me.
	It's just that these guys, the 500 million, which is a pittance compared to the profits these drug companies make, it's just free money for them the way they see it.
	This is like, oh, we, this is entitlement.
	Oh, you know, you said you were going to send us this free money.
	We're going to use it for whatever.
	But where's our free money that we don't really need for this research that we, you know, we're just going to slam you because you're not going to give us free money.
	This is terrible.
	This whole country is confounded with this kind of entitled free money to these corporate entities that don't deserve it.
	Yeah, go get a podcast and work like a normal person, doctor.
	Let's bring in CBSU's medical contributor, Dr. Celine Gounder, who is also editor-at-large for public health.
	I should say the widow, Dr. Celine Gounder.
	KFF.
	Oh, that one.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm bad.
	That was bad.
	Unnecessary roughness.
	Dr. Gounder, good morning.
	Good morning.
	So, what exactly is an mRNA vaccine and why is this happening?
	In the past, we have used what we call whole virus vaccines.
	So this is 1.0 technology.
	You're going to love this.
	Wait a minute.
	Are they starting the entire lecture about mRNA vaccines over from scratch?
	There's been a reset.
	Somebody hit the button.
	Yes.
	When did this happen?
	Well, the minute Bobby came out and said this, they have to be able to get away from that.
	So they hit the reset button.
	Now we're going to go right back to the beginning of the explanation for mRNA.
	Yes, but MRNA or whatever you want to call it.
	Myrna from Fiderna.
	Myrna.
	Myrna from Fiderna.
	She has a technology explanation for this, which I think you will enjoy since you like the term platform so much.
	In the past, we have used what we call whole virus vaccines.
	So this is 1.0 technology.
	1.0 technology.
	It's not technology.
	It's biology.
	Wouldn't you agree?
	Chat JCD?
	Yes, it's biology.
	Technology to me is always something that is inert.
	Well, it has anything that involves living organisms would be biology.
	Well, that is a 1.0 of this technology.
	Let's see what 2.0 is.
	Really a hundred-year-old technology.
	So a lot of your older vaccines were based on that, where you would take the virus, you would weaken it, you would kill it, and that's what you would use to get the immune response.
	The problem with that is you get a lot more side effects.
	And so over time, we've tried to be more and more specific.
	2.0 technology was to have a very specific protein.
	2.0 was the protein.
	2.0, 2.0.
	We went to 2.0.
	Okay.
	2.0 technology was to have a very specific protein.
	So for example, the spike protein in COVID.
	I want what is the latest iOS?
	I think it should be 18.6 at this point.
	So I feel on par with my phone, with my vaccine technology.
	3.0 technology, which is mRNA.
	Just to review.
	Wait, stop.
	I forgot what was 2.0.
	I didn't get that part.
	2.0 was using specific proteins.
	Listen.
	What vaccine, the name of vaccine that was that?
	What was an example?
	Let's listen.
	The problem with that is you get a lot more side effects.
	And so over time, we've tried to be more and more specific.
	2.0 technology was to have a very specific protein.
	So for example, the spike protein in COVID.
	She may be talking about the J and J, that they use the protein there, the spike protein.
	Or is that the MRNA?
	The fiderna.
	It seems like the Myrna to me, because that's what the technology is.
	Well, then let's listen closely to what 3.0 is.
	3.0 technology, which is mRNA.
	Just to review a little bit of basic genetics, your DNA, your cells produce mRNA using your DNA.
	So that's a code.
	mRNA is also a code.
	mRNA codes for proteins.
	It's code.
	It's code.
	Chat GPT is going to write my MRNA code.
	Protein.
	And it's what the advantage of mRNA is, is it's much faster to make than a protein vaccine.
	It's much more efficient.
	And so when you're in the middle of an emergency, like a COVID pandemic, you want the fastest thing possible, something that you don't have to wait years to develop.
	I think this is a very good development.
	I want all scientists involved in Myrna, the Phi Derna scientists, and Myrna.
	I want them all to talk about this like it's technology because then I can say, yeah, it'll be just as great as Windows.
	And everyone will go, oh, oh, maybe I don't want that.
	Because that's the truth of it.
	When is it going to be the Linux version?
	Well, that would be just getting COVID and lying down for a couple of days and getting back up.
	I got to tell you, the summer surge here is on, and we have a mix of people here in Fredericksburg.
	Oh, there's that sigh.
	I tested.
	I have COVID.
	Yeah, me too.
	I didn't test.
	I feel kind of crappy, but I'm getting better every day.
	Yeah, but I can't go out.
	What?
	I can't go out.
	Yeah, I can't go out.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Oh, it was full-on purple.
	Okay, you got really severe.
	I don't even know what that means.
	The test was more purple than purple.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I've taken this test.
	It's never turned any color.
	It's a psyop.
	Totally.
	I guess so.
	All right, let's continue.
	We should care about this now.
	Why?
	Yeah, good question, Gail.
	Why should we care about it?
	Why?
	I feel okay.
	Well, you know, we are on the precipice potentially of another pandemic with H5N1 burning.
	There's no impression.
	Hey, when was the last pandemic before this one?
	With 1918?
	So that's about 100 years, over 100 years.
	Dude, we're on the precipice.
	When was the one before the 1980s?
	Why are you arguing?
	This is CBS morning news.
	That is Gail, Oprah's girlfriend.
	Why are you arguing?
	I mean, did you argue with Giliel?
	I'm so I can keep my job so I don't get kicked out by the chat thing you're working on.
	Well, you know, we are on the precipice potentially of another pandemic with H5N1 bird flu.
	And we have been watching this, tracking this for the last year or two.
	These things are extremely unpredictable.
	Could we have a pandemic in the next month or two?
	Could we have a pandemic in 10 years?
	We have no idea.
	But we need to be prepared is the message here.
	Like my husband used to say in the Boy Scouts, be prepared.
	Be prepared.
	He was a Boy Scout.
	Well, okay, since you asked, I was going to wait for it, but we might as well because, and it's coming from Fox News.
	Fox News, they're not stupid.
	They know.
	They know where their bread is buttered.
	And they're run by lefty nutjaws.
	Breaking news!
	Breaking tonight, a viral outbreak in China prompts the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, the CDC, to issue a travel warning.
	More than 7,000 cases of this disease have been reported so far.
	State Department correspondent Jillian Turner has details tonight.
	Line from the State Department.
	Good evening, Jillian.
	Oh, yeah.
	Good evening.
	From the State Department.
	Hello, from the State Department.
	State Department.
	State Department.
	How come it's not our friend?
	Isn't she the spokeshole for the State Department?
	What's her name?
	Tammy Bruce.
	Tammy.
	Tammy's.
	If it was Tammy, but Tammy's like, no, I'm not getting involved in this nonsense.
	You go.
	Lonnie from the State Department.
	Good evening, Jillian.
	Good evening, Brett.
	The CDC, as you mentioned, is warning Americans traveling to China about Chikungunya.
	It is a virus that spreads to the city.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Hold on a second.
	Marketing Department.
	Marketing Department.
	This is no good.
	This is no good.
	We need a better network.
	It sounds like the new variation of burrito at a Mexican restaurant.
	Chikunguya with refried beans.
	Humans through infected mosquito bites.
	It can cause severe illness with symptoms that mimic pretty closely dengue fever and Zika virus.
	Ah, Zika, small heads are coming.
	Zika, Zika, Zika, small heads are coming.
	It's mostly found in Africa.
	Here's what the CDC says about it.
	They say most people infected get better within a week.
	However, some can have severe joint pain for Months to years.
	Other symptoms include severe fever and fatigue.
	The outbreak now is in the Chinese province, Guangdong.
	It's near Hong Kong, with more than 7,000 cases reported so far, prompting some pretty dramatic measures to contain the spread, like mandatory insect repellent blasts for people entering the area, mandatory property checks for stagnant water, which attracts mosquitoes, and when found is now punishable by fines or even arrests.
	Yeah, we're going to blast you with insect repellent.
	This is great.
	All we need now is a couple of TikTok videos with people falling dead on the street.
	Come on, China, come on.
	But don't worry.
	Don't worry.
	This particular outbreak won't actually kill you.
	The CDC says Americans traveling to eight other countries are also at elevated risk of exposure to the virus, even if there is no current outbreak there.
	People at risk for more severe cases of Chikungunya include newborns, seniors 65 years old, as well as people with diabetes, heart disease.
	Now, the good news is that, unlike COVID, deaths from this disease are exceedingly rare.
	You can also protect yourself by getting vaccinated against it or by preventing mosquito bites in the first place through all the usual mechanisms: insect repellent netting, wearing long sleeves, and staying in air conditioning.
	John, break out that we need netting.
	We need to get netting.
	We need netting hats.
	We need netting shirts.
	We need mosquito.
	It'll be chikungoya, protective gear.
	It has to be netting, netting.
	Netting is the new way because if you don't, well, we're going to lock you up.
	If you happen to get this, they're quarantining you in hospitals with mosquito netting and not letting you out for a week.
	These are the kind of draconian responses we saw with COVID.
	We're seeing it again.
	I can't wait.
	Bring it on.
	Bring on your chikungoya.
	I'm good.
	You checkigory.
	It's all good.
	It's all good.
	Now, of course, we need to expand our anti-bobby the op campaign because we are very, very concerned about parents who are just, you know, I'm just not trusting all these vaccines.
	There's too much talk about, you know, should we really be giving our kids 76 vaccines within the first four years of their lives?
	I'll tell you what.
	Oh, it does on one other problem.
	All of the doctors, the pediatricians, they're really, I mean, the income is down.
	Revenue is down.
	Advertising, underwriting, whatever you want to call it, revenue is down because we get a big bonus for all of the fully vaccinated children that we have attending our practice.
	So I think, you know, we have a, we got a new president for the Association of Family Doctors.
	Let's give her a script.
	Let's make sure that the newsreader has the script.
	Let's throw in a couple of new terms.
	We'll have her repeat them a lot and him as well.
	And let's see if we can get the ball rolling here, shall we?
	New data from the CDC shows the rate of vaccinations among kindergartners has dropped again.
	There are more than 280,000 kindergartners who are not protected against measles.
	Dr. Sarah Nozall is the president-elect of the American Academy of Family Physicians and joins us now live.
	Thanks for being with us.
	First of all, let's talk about what's behind the drop.
	I know early on after COVID, people were a little kind of vaccinated.
	They should have just had in the scripts, Trump.
	That would have been easier, but no, okay.
	COVID, people were a little kind of vaccine exhausted.
	Vaccine exhausted.
	This is a new term.
	He's not doing it exactly right, but we'll take it.
	It used to be vaccine hesitant.
	They are changing this narrative to vaccine exhausted.
	I'm just a catch.
	Oh, it gets better.
	COVID people were a little kind of vaccine exhausted, if you will.
	What do you think is behind parents not getting their kids vaccinated nowadays?
	So many families are not engaged with their regular family doctor or pediatrician.
	Getting all of their questions answered, I think finding that interested source to ask those questions.
	She's reading.
	She's reading, okay?
	She's reading.
	Listen to the read.
	About how important should this be?
	When we're asking families now, and we're then surveying across the country, families are saying this is not as important as it used to be 10, 20 years ago to have your child fully vaccinated.
	And that's really concerning to us as family physicians and communities where the whole community of immunity is what's going to be really critical to protect not just all Of us, but your kid at home and when they go to school.
	Now, did you hear it?
	Did you hear her new phrase?
	No.
	Community of immunity.
	Oh, I missed it.
	Oh, it's coming up again.
	Don't worry.
	And we've had kind of a real world test of this, if you will, in Texas.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, those dumb rednecks down in Texas.
	That was a test.
	It was a test.
	Those would be just as an interruption here.
	Did you know that compared to Texas, that Texas feels Canada?
	It's much worse than Alberta.
	Alberta, Canada, much worse than Texas.
	I know.
	I know.
	What is the wrong?
	What is the rationale for not playing that up?
	Hello, hello.
	This is Chicago, WGN.
	This is MedWatch.
	This is for Americans.
	If we hear, oh, Can who gives a crap about Can, but we can laugh about the Texas.
	You don't want to be about like a Texas.
	Yeah, a lot of it has to do with this old theory that you want to put a bunch of dumb rednecks on.
	Yes.
	Let's talk to the man on the show.
	Well, I'm here on the straight and I don't know anything.
	I'm dumb.
	You can tell by listening to my voice and my accent.
	If you will, in Texas.
	Let us know how that kind of evolved and whether or not it was the outbreak that people had feared.
	The measles outbreak in Texas shows us exactly why a community of immunity and what sometimes we've heard of as heard immunity is really important.
	Measles is the most contagious of all of the vaccination and infectious diseases we can prevent.
	And we really need more than 95% of our kids in our communities to be vaccinated to make sure we don't risk an outbreak like we're seeing.
	And we need it for our bonuses.
	Seeing in Texas.
	And so as we're seeing across the board, CDC vaccines are falling from 95% before the pandemic, little by little down into the low 90 percentages.
	We know we're risking.
	Okay, hold on.
	Let's just talk about percentages.
	It fell from 95% down into the low 90s, which could be 93.
	If you got the 95% could be 94.
	I mean, so we're talking a couple percentage points here.
	As we're seeing, it dropped from 95% down into the low 90s because she's correct in that regard.
	People are just watching this going, drooling.
	Across the board, CDC vaccines are falling from 95% before the pandemic, little by little down into the low 90 percentages.
	We know we're risking losing our community of immunity that protects us.
	There it is.
	There it is again.
	Community of immunity.
	She does it twice.
	Now, let's get his phrase correct because he missed.
	He tried to just do it, you know, try to look natural and not read the prompter.
	And then while she was talking, they got, you know, he got in his ear, like, okay, that was a good ad lit, but we'd really like you to stick to the script, okay?
	So what do you do about it?
	If it's that important and you want to get the message out, how do you reach people who are vaccine skeptical or just vaccine tired?
	That's it.
	Vaccine tired.
	That's better.
	Much better.
	Vaccine tired.
	How do you get the message out by paying for editorials like this?
	The first place is to make sure you go and talk to your trusted physician.
	Your family doctor, your pediatrician will be there for you to discuss and go through what vaccines are recommended.
	All of the evidence shows that you want to get every single recommended vaccine together and on time.
	That's a common question that patients ask is, is it better to space it out?
	And you want to get all of those vaccines on time that is the most beneficial and has the best outcome when those kids have the immune systems ready to go and ready to protect them going forward.
	You see, they can't time their stock purchases if it's not all in one go.
	You got to have it on time so the doctors know how much money they'll be getting so they can, you know, buy into Nancy Pelosi's portfolio or whatever it is they do.
	This is ghoulish, this lady.
	And she's the new president of what I'm going to guess what happens next because you have more clips of that.
	I think you do.
	No, no, I don't have more clips of her.
	Oh, really?
	Because I would have sworn if the next thing would have happened, he would have said to her, I walked right into it, didn't I?
	He would have said.
	So what is the purpose?
	And don't you think we should revisit the idea that the vaccine manufacturers are immune to any sort of liability because not because the vaccines are no good, but that they should not be immune to liability for the simple fact that it ensures that the manufacturing process is kept on the up and up so they don't get careless and because just getting careless you would get some liability issues so so don't you think that it's time to revisit the liability
	issue because it's the only product that's sold like this all the other drug products are all products All products, exactly right.
	All products except this one product have to be made responsibly.
	Thus, liability issues and liability laws do apply to all products ever made except this one product.
	Don't you think that should be revisited?
	I think we should pose that question to Robert Kennedy Jr.
	Wasn't that one of his promises at some point?
	I think it wasn't of the big three, but I think he's mentioned.
	I mean, come on.
	The American people should demand this.
	We should demand liability.
	Amen.
	And I'm going to go back to this article.
	I've said it before.
	I'll say it again.
	I'll say it forever as long as this podcast is on the air.
	If you recall during the swine flu phony baloney pandemic.
	Well, the 1976 or the 90 or the 2000.
	The one that we covered.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Nine, I guess.
	I have to go to nine.
	Where they had lines around the block.
	They had actually were shipping live virus in many of the batches that were making people deathly sick.
	And there was no liability for any of this.
	Sloppy production.
	I mean, I think they may have been doing it on purpose for obvious reasons, but let's say they weren't.
	It was just sloppy.
	They can put dog shit in these shots and you can't sue anybody.
	Who says they don't?
	They might.
	Well, just to round this out, I was fortunate enough to get a quick hit, as we say in the biz.
	Yeah, I did a quick hit there on the network from Dr. Peter Hotep.
	Florida reviewed 22 mRNA vaccine development investments and began canceling them.
	Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who has made anti-vaccine claims in the past, announcing that the technology behind COVID vaccines won't be funded anymore.
	As the pandemic showed us, mRNA vaccines don't perform well.
	The vaccine, paradoxically, encourages new mutations and can actually prolong pandemics as the virus constantly mutates to escape.
	Yeah, so none of that is actually true.
	The vaccines managed to keep many, many people out of the hospital.
	Angela Rasmussen is a virologist at the University of Saskatchewan.
	Experts see this decision as a bad bet against a life-saving Nobel Prize-winning technology through a long pandemic.
	And the health secretary is wrong about what makes them longer.
	Viruses mutate when they replicate, and they replicate when they spread.
	The best way to prevent a virus from spreading is to make sure those people are protected against the virus by vaccination.
	Very prank, remember?
	I thought it was in here.
	The jabs that protected billions, including children and the elderly, took testing, clinical trials, mass production, and distribution.
	But it was all possible in less than a year because of this novel technology.
	MRNA technology makes it really possible to rapidly respond to a novel emerging virus.
	Which means this funding loss, $500 million U.S., is a bet against fighting future infectious diseases and possibly more.
	I'm sorry, it's in this clip.
	That was the same report.
	Dr. Peter Hotez is a very good idea.
	Now here it is.
	Here it is.
	Your guy.
	I know.
	You are all salivating.
	You're ready to hear HOTEP.
	Dr. Peter Hotez is co-director of the Texas Children's Hospital Center for Vaccine Development.
	MRNA technology is looking really exciting for next generation cancer immunotherapeutics.
	So will this throw cold water on a whole big effort that we're pursuing as well?
	Beyond the exciting potential, Hotez also sees a potential chilling effect on pharmaceutical companies.
	The U.S. is still the single largest vaccine market.
	If the U.S. talking about markets now all of a sudden, are we?
	I mean, what is that?
	Are you interested in money?
	Is he a marketing guy all of a sudden?
	I guess so.
	The U.S. markets the biggest market for vaccination because of guys like him.
	Yep.
	U.S. is still the single largest vaccine market if the u.s is made an executive decision not to support advanced purchase of mRNA vaccines advanced purchase this guy is in the pipeline advanced purchase what has that got to do with the price of bread in the discussion well it sounds to me like some of these contracts were advanced purchases for you know the chikungaya with beans or Or who knows what.
	There's something fishy.
	The more we hear, the fishier this sounds.
	Yes.
	It's made an executive decision not to support advanced purchase of mRNA vaccines.
	And then it's not clear to me whether the companies will want to pursue this.
	We're prioritizing.
	This is very interesting because that is not the way this was laid out to us.
	What we were hearing is research contracts were being canceled.
	Hotez spilled the beans here, the chikungaia with beans.
	He spills the beans by saying, well, they're canceling their advanced buying contracts?
	Money in the bank?
	That's the only thing that makes sense after you heard my earlier screed.
	Yes.
	About why does Pfizer and Moderna, Fiderna, I think is a good name, by the way.
	Thank you.
	Why are they moaning and groaning so much?
	They're moaning and groaning because this was not about research at all.
	these reports are bogus the sales guys you know they just saw their commission drop through the floor what is this all about you can't cancel a contract we had a deal that's 50 million dollars in commissions minimum we had a deal man not to support advanced purchase of mRNA vaccines and then it's not clear to me whether the companies will will want to pursue this we're prioritizing the development of the safer broader vaccine strategies like a whole virus vaccine experts also say RFK Jr.'s bet on traditional vaccine technology
	is a bad one.
	It's not that these vaccines don't work.
	They do, but they don't work.
	Stop.
	Stop.
	These guys are shooting themselves in the foot if you think about it.
	I know.
	Why are we using these other vaccines at all?
	They're no good, it says, sounds like.
	Experts also say RFK Jr.'s bet on traditional vaccine technology is a bad one.
	It's not that these vaccines don't work.
	They do, but they don't work as well as mRNA vaccines.
	Canadians are involved in MMR.
	So why should I take the MMR?
	vaccine if it's not as good that's it's one point it's 1.0 technology this is there you know what i think there's a mad dash i think they're scrambling they the message is not cohesive there's something going on this like they have there's something going on there's something going on that we're unaware of it's a piece a missing piece of the puzzle yeah and it would explain a lot and hotez may have given some of it away sounds like you're right because you know the thing is they read everybody in on this on these on these scams that they produce
	for the public's benefit, all the local news stations is pretty much the same reporting that you play example after example.
	And they would assume that Hotez has got the same script when they bring him on so they don't have to read him in.
	And he was too busy eating burgers.
	And me, he looks like, yes, he'll give you some money tomorrow for the burger you give him today.
	It's not that these vaccines...
	Let's just finish.
	20 seconds.
	Let's finish it.
	These don't work.
	they don't work as well as mRNA vaccines Canadians are involved in mRNA research.
	It's not clear how much this funding hit will affect global development.
	But experts warned that this is just part of a wider effort by Donald Trump's administration to cut back on scientific investment.
	Money, in this case, that would pay off massively in the form of life-saving vaccines.
	Oh, brother.
	Oh, boy.
	And that was from CBC, the guys who have the most measles.
	But Trump is a very good person.
	Alberta in particular.
	It's Trump.
	It's Trump's fault.
	It's Trump.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	This is terrible.
	That they're trying to pull this stunt on the public at large.
	They're winning generally because they barrage the public.
	This is what I feel bad about.
	The public at large is barraged by this blatant propaganda, scripted propaganda.
	We show it over and over again, the exact same wordage, the exact same questions, the exact same answers from the exact same stooges over and over.
	And they inundate the, they, they've, they flood the zone with this bullcrap.
	So now try to square that with this report on NBC this morning, because we know now that it's very important to have research, scientific research.
	Research is necessary.
	It's good.
	It saves lives.
	We have to be ready.
	We got to pre-purchase, but research is important.
	And then all of a sudden, NBC comes out with this.
	We are back with a growing trend that is worrying scientists.
	Fake research is being produced on an industrial scale, then getting published in legitimate journals.
	Yeah, like the Journal for Immunology.
	A new study released on Monday revealed the number of fraudulent papers has been doubling every one and a half years.
	Researchers say those fake papers typically include doctored images, plagiarized text, even AI-generated content.
	They're designed to easily avoid expert intervention.
	That's undermining the trust and high standards that scientists depend on.
	Okay, so now I'm confused.
	Is this a Hegelian dialectic?
	What is going on here?
	New York Times columnist Carl Zimmer joins me now.
	He spoke with some of the researchers who've been looking into this issue.
	Carl, good to have you with us.
	So can you explain how fake research manages to get published in these journals?
	I mean, I think we all assume there are checks in place to try and prevent this.
	Well, now, this is a good question.
	How does that happen?
	Don't we have peer review?
	Don't we have experts looking at this stuff?
	Well, no.
	We assume that.
	And it turns out that's not always the case.
	You will have scientists working individually or even entire companies that make a business out of this that will produce papers that are really not based on fact.
	They will show fabricated images.
	They will make claims about experiments that didn't take place.
	And then these papers are submitted to journals where they're supposed to go through peer review.
	Sometimes they slip through.
	Nobody notices until they're accepted because they look legitimate.
	In other cases, editors are actually being bribed.
	There's got to be a reason the NBC is being bribed.
	What?
	There's got to be a reason they're doing this.
	Something is coming here.
	There's going to be some kind of change because this process is being discredited the very process that we are told to believe is saving our life with life-saving vaccines so we can have a community of immunity.
	How big of a problem is this for science?
	And help us understand why those of us who aren't scientists should be so concerned about it.
	Here's the thought.
	Maybe, maybe what we're seeing here is a separation of biology and technology.
	So we can say, well, the scientists over there, they're a bunch of phonies.
	We on this side, we have Myrna 3.0.
	This is technology.
	You can trust what we're doing over here.
	Possible.
	Possible.
	I'm just trying to come up with something because this is bugging me.
	Well, science works because scientists can build on each other's work.
	You know, if you want to figure out a cure for cancer, you want to go and look at what other people have looked at before for the kind of cancer you're trying to cure.
	Maybe you want to build on what someone else did.
	If someone else just presented an illusion, you might waste years trying to build on their work because it was a dead end.
	It's that serious.
	I think here's my thesis.
	Okay, go.
	It's a smokescreen.
	There's good research out there that shows a lot of the stuff that they're selling us is bullcrap.
	I would put mRNA in that category.
	It won a Nobel Prize, man.
	Yes.
	Well, I could have win a Nobel Prize.
	It doesn't mean you should be shooting it to your body.
	Fair point.
	I mean, a lot of things win a Nobel Prize.
	Radium, Obama radio.
	Obama won a Nobel Prize.
	Well, he won a Nobel Peace Prize.
	Okay.
	Well, the average different country.
	The average Joe.
	The point is that there is good research out there that indicates a lot of bad things.
	And so what you want to do is create a smokescreen of bad research and just flood the zone with bad research.
	Wait, wait.
	Maybe this is because Kennedy's about to unveil all this about the corruption between the editors and the papers.
	That's number three on his list.
	That was one of his RICO case.
	Hmm.
	So blame it on the editors and blame it on rogue elements.
	Okay.
	Actually, the only thing in that report that you played that it stuck out to you, too.
	In fact, it took you five beats.
	I don't know why it took you so long.
	I'm slow.
	I need more gigawatt.
	Something.
	Yeah.
	Is that the editors are being bribed?
	Yes.
	Well, there's two more bits here.
	The Trump administration has proposed more cuts to federally funded research.
	That would include fields, physics, climate science, manufacturing.
	How much could those cuts affect this issue?
	The scientists I've talked to are very concerned that this could really accelerate this problem with fraud because you're looking at tremendous cuts and you're going to have a whole field of American science where scientists and graduate students are looking for jobs are desperate.
	There'll be very little support, fewer posts.
	And so the attraction to cutting corners and maybe even fabricating is going to go way up here in the United States.
	All right, let's get to the final clip because the question is, what needs to happen to stop this?
	You spoke with the experts.
	What do they say needs to happen to try and stop this fraud from happening?
	Fraud.
	Really, we need to overall how that was a tell of some sort.
	Really, we need to overall how we look at the value of science and how we reward scientists.
	You know, in a lot of countries now, you have to publish 10, 20 papers a year to even be considered for promotion.
	And that's got to stop.
	We have to focus on the quality of science and maybe be publishing less science.
	You also mentioned some other things here, including banning scientists who commit misconduct from getting published in the future.
	That seems like an important thing, too, right?
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	The punishments, such as they are, are just not enough to keep people away from this activity, as you can see, because it is growing exponentially.
	I think you're right, Chat JCD.
	I think you're absolutely right.
	They're going to hang out a couple of scientists and a bunch of editors out to dry as corrupt.
	They've corrupted the system.
	We've rooted it out.
	And it's all good now.
	Well, it's coming down Broadway.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	I mean, Kennedy gave away what he wants to do, so it's not as though you can't prepare for it.
	They are.
	Well, that was a preparation for sure.
	Preparation.
	All right, let's do something else.
	What you got?
	I like preparation.
	That's preparation.
	What else you got?
	You got some, you got lots of other stuff here.
	I got stuff.
	How about you want to do Texas?
	Texas.
	Texas, fine.
	Oh, Texas.
	Yeah, I got a lot of stuff on tech.
	Texas is good.
	Yeah, because I have this thing going on.
	Yeah, I got details when you're ready.
	Go for it.
	Okay, well, I got the Texas update.
	Then I have a couple of short supercuts.
	Okay, Texas update, NTD first.
	The latest in the Texas redistricting battle, the state's governor and attorney general are pushing to get absent Democrats ousted from office.
	And a U.S. senator from Texas is asking the FBI to get involved.
	Entities Melina Weisskop, ask the updates.
	Dozens of Democrat state lawmakers from Texas remain out of state.
	There being 94 members present, a quorum is not present.
	Facing arrest warrants and now possible removal from office.
	I'll pay that price for America.
	And I think everyone behind me would say they would do the same.
	Texas Governor Greg Abbott is asking the state Supreme Court to remove the state House Democratic chair, Gene Wu.
	The governor wrote, Texas House Democrats abandoned their duty to Texans, and there must be consequences.
	As for the other Democrats, the Attorney General is giving them until Friday to return, or he'll seek To remove all of them from office.
	Redistricting happens every 10 years after a census.
	And so this is not the regular way that we do redistricting.
	Their goal is to block a Republican-backed redistricting vote.
	That would give the GOP a competing chance in Democrat-held districts.
	These voters in these districts won by Trump, they don't have the ability to vote for their candidate of choice now because they're in congressional districts.
	They're in a Democrat district as opposed to a district won by Trump.
	So let me just give a definition because it's thrown about and I have the origin of the term gerrymandering.
	Yes, this is quite good.
	And this is very valuable because of where it started.
	Gerrymandering is the manipulation of congressional district boundaries to favor one political party or group.
	And this is done through the census.
	So the census counts a number of people.
	It involves drawing district lines in ways that concentrate or dilute voters to influence election outcomes, often creating oddly shaped districts.
	And if you look at Texas, wow, is it ever?
	It comes from Elbridge Jerry, who redistricted Massachusetts in 1812, and it was so nuts it resembled on the map a salamander, hence gerrymandering.
	So it is a Democrat idea, but it has been deployed successfully throughout many states.
	And if you look at Texas, it is crazy how these districts are drawn.
	Yes, it's crazy, and California is even worse.
	But my favorite one, of course, is where it began, which is Massachusetts.
	And I don't have, I don't know if I have a clip of this woman, but the governor of Massachusetts, and of course, Gavin Newsom, we've talked about this before.
	He says he's going to start.
	You know, all these Democrats said they're going to gerrymander this.
	They've already done it.
	They've already gerrymanded.
	And Massachusetts is the funny one because the governor came out and said, well, if they're going to do it, then we're going to do it.
	There is not one single Republican in Congress from Massachusetts.
	What can you do?
	There's not one.
	They've already gerrymandered the state to death.
	So there's not one single Republican and they're going to do what?
	You know, the origins of this controversy actually come from the Justice Department.
	I don't know if you're interested, but it's not like the Texas Republicans sat down and went, well, I've got an idea.
	Let's do this.
	This was mandated because the way the districts were made up in Texas was based on the census, the most recent census, which had millions of illegal aliens.
	Yeah, that's a huge issue.
	That's where it all comes from.
	And so the Justice Department said, and it's going to the Supreme Court, and I think they'll have the same opinion.
	It's like, no, no, you've got to change this.
	You know, there's a lot of noise out there like, yeah, let's do a new census.
	Let's do one real quick.
	I don't know if that's going to happen.
	That's a big deal.
	Well, there's a couple.
	There's one explanation in clip three that is worth noting.
	All right, but let's play clip two and then we'll get to three.
	That's usually how it goes.
	If Democrats return for the vote, the map is almost certain to be approved.
	So they're trying to run out the clock.
	We have to know our lines by maybe October.
	So the time is ticking and it's ticking away really fast.
	That is why you see the Attorney General as well as the governor getting very aggressive because you can't just change the lines and you can't change the primary without the Democrats being there and providing a quorum.
	U.S. Senator John Cornyn of Texas has asked the FBI to help arrest them for return to Texas, writing, federal resources are necessary to locate the out-of-state Texas legislators who are potentially acting in violation of the law.
	All right.
	Okay, so this is all, you know, with everybody's reporting, but this next clip where they bring an analyst in, the old analyst, who actually tells us some new things that probably generally aren't known.
	The Trump administration has pushed for Texas to change its congressional map, arguing that past gerrymandered maps have created unconstitutional coalition districts.
	Boom, boom.
	Where's this from?
	That was correct.
	NTD is NTD?
	Yeah, NTD.
	Yeah.
	Well, they were right.
	That's exactly the justice, not Abbott.
	The Justice Department said, look, this thing has been gerrymandered.
	You know, the Republicans would probably have 30 to 40 more seats in Congress if they fixed the way these districts have been carved up.
	The Trump administration has pushed for Texas to change its congressional map, arguing that past gerrymandered maps have created unconstitutional coalition districts.
	What are coalition districts?
	Coalition district is a district that provides electoral opportunities for a group or a coalition of racial minority communities, maybe a black and Hispanic community or a Hispanic and an Asian community taken together.
	Professor Doug Spencer, a constitutional law expert, says coalition districts help to remedy violations of the Voting Rights Act.
	Different circuits across the United States have interpreted the Voting Rights Act differently.
	But in Texas, the Fifth Circuit has held that a coalition district is a constitutional and an appropriate remedy under the Voting Rights Act.
	So the Department of Justice here is going out on a limb and hoping that maybe the Fifth Circuit of the federal courts will adopt some of the logic that has appeared in other circuits.
	Attorney Gerard Filidi told NTD on Tuesday that the act prohibits drawing maps on the basis of minority groups.
	When it has an impact on the process or the procedure of voting.
	So when you look at the Voter Rights Act, what that tells you is that if there is a redistricting that's done on the basis of coalition and non-coalition, it might change the way that minorities vote or can vote and have access to the ballot.
	By law, states typically change their congressional maps every 10 years.
	But Texas Republicans have changed their map after only five years.
	Spencer explained their reasoning.
	And what Texas is saying is, well, it doesn't say that we can't do it more.
	And so there is no explicit prohibition against mid-decade redistricting.
	And the Texas Republicans are trying to lean into that.
	Okay.
	So that was kind of interesting.
	And here he let him finish it.
	Felidi says it's different in other states.
	Other states have state law that prevents them from redistricting at any time.
	Some, like California, have a commission and it's not the legislature that actually apportions voting districts.
	It's an independent commission, so the governor can ask what he wants for it, but there's no guarantee that redistricting can occur.
	Texas Republicans haven't been able to get the 100 members needed for a quorum since several Democrats have fled the state and thus no vote on the new map.
	Spencer says he thinks the map will ultimately get approved, but the question is, will Democratic states then redraw their map?
	Okay.
	Can I just give a little overview of this?
	Yeah, you're there.
	Yes, I'm here.
	And so I actually talked to Rick Green from the Patriot Academy.
	And that guy is a walking encyclopedia, certainly of Texas.
	He was in the Texas House originally.
	Here's the gambit that the Democrats in Texas have continuously pulled.
	It's like, oh, we don't like something.
	Let's run away.
	2021, 50 House Democrats flew to Washington, D.C. on a private plane, if you remember.
	Remember that?
	They had the Miller beer in the front of the plane.
	They had that picture.
	They're all in the big plane.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And then they all got COVID.
	Remember that?
	I forget the COVID part.
	They all got great.
	They all did get sick.
	They all got COVID.
	So they did.
	That's the last time they did it.
	2003, 11 Senate Democrats, the Texas 11 state of New Mexico for over a month to protest redistricting.
	That was the summer, the spring of 2003.
	51 House Democrats fled to Oklahoma to stall the Republican-led redistricting plan.
	1979.
	Now, this is, I do not recall this, but the 12 Democrats who then hid in a garage for four days to block legislation that changed the Texas presidential primary date, they were called the killer bees.
	You remember this?
	No, I do not remember this.
	Yeah.
	But my favorite is June 1870.
	This is how long the Democrats have been doing this.
	I don't Understand why they just why the Republicans who run Texas can't pass a law to prevent this from happening and change the quorum law.
	Because the Republicans in Texas in the House are kind of jerk-offs.
	They're not greats.
	No, they're not explaining it.
	They're not great.
	1870, 13 Texas Senate Democrats walked out to block legislation granting the governor sweeping wartime powers.
	This was called the Rump Senate standoff.
	Now, if you go and look this up, you will not find the full, at least I didn't.
	I didn't find the full explanation.
	The reason the governor wanted sweeping wartime powers was to go round up KKK members who were lynching people.
	See, they don't explain that anywhere.
	No, of course not.
	The Democrat-run media, you think they're going to explain that?
	Are you kidding me?
	Or Wikipedia, for that matter.
	Well, Wikipedia, same thing.
	And oh, as a small aside, 25% of the people that the KKK was lynching were white, but we'll leave that aside, too.
	Yeah, that's also another thing no one was talking about.
	We don't want to talk about that.
	So that is the history of Democrats in Texas.
	And we need Democrats.
	We need them for checks and balances.
	It's important, but y'all are a bunch of pussies, man.
	That's no good.
	Let's just.
	Well, let's play a couple of super cuts.
	I have two super cuts about this.
	One is the Democrats going on about this is the Texas.
	By the way, one of the super cuts says Rexis.
	I don't know how that could possibly happen.
	But this is the Texas supercut tropes.
	This is the kind of Democrats are all making statements on TikTok and every place else.
	And they all have these idiotic tropes.
	This is a new Democratic Party.
	We're bringing a knife to a knife fight.
	We need to get to fair rules across the nation and not have Democrats showing up with a butter knife to a gunfight.
	We have shown up to a gunfight with nothing but good intentions and dull knives.
	Our seats are rolled up and we're ready to take this fight.
	We are ready to fight fire with fire.
	But we're not running away.
	We're running into the fight.
	We're asking for help.
	Maybe just as they did back in the days of the Alamo.
	They got to get their messaging straight.
	That's a problem.
	Meanwhile, MSNBC and CNN, of course, see it slightly different.
	This is a very short.
	This is a few seconds clip.
	This is Rexus.
	This is a small supercut.
	And the rest of the Texas legislature and Greg Abbott want to rig the system.
	They're not even trying to hide how shady it is.
	It's a showdown that could have a big impact on democracy in this country.
	I think Donald Trump is trying to sell the election.
	He and his fellow Republicans are already scheming a way to maintain power.
	We do now live in a country that has an authoritarian leader in charge.
	We have a consolidating dictatorship in our country.
	And it sounds melodramatic to say it.
	Yeah.
	Don't watch television.
	By the way, the trolls are very concerned.
	They think I misspoke by saying that 25% of people the KKK lynched were white.
	They don't believe this can be true.
	Oh, this even throughout the whole era of the KKK, it's about the right number for all whites being lynched.
	Yeah, a lot of whites got lynched.
	Well, how come we don't know this?
	It doesn't fit into with the scheme.
	It doesn't fit in with the liberal education that we get into big universities.
	When no one was taught this in school, hey, here's something.
	Whatever you do, don't do your own research.
	It's bad for you.
	It's very bad.
	It's always said, yes, because you'll screw it up.
	Don't do your own research.
	Although we're professionals, so we don't screw it up.
	No, no.
	Here's Maryland versus Texas.
	This is the last one.
	Okay, Maryland versus Texas.
	Here we go.
	Maryland lawmakers are preparing legislation to counter potential mid-decade redistricting moves by other states, including Texas.
	WAMU's Jenny Abamu reports.
	Maryland House Majority Leader David Moon says his state will not sit idly by if other states break the once-per-decade redistricting norm.
	Moon is proposing two pieces of legislation.
	The first would trigger Maryland's own redistricting process if any other state redraws their congressional maps.
	Here's Delegate Moon.
	Maryland will defend itself and automatically reopen its own redistricting process.
	So my hope is we don't ever have to do it and no state takes us down this road.
	The second bill proposes an interstate compact where states will agree to redistrict only once per decade.
	The legislation would likely not be considered until the General Assembly reconvenes in January.
	Yeah.
	Well, we'll see how this goes.
	Bullcrap.
	The states should do what the states do.
	They don't.
	Just because Texas does something, that means you have to do it too.
	Just because Billy jumped off the cliff, does that mean you have to jump off the cliff?
	I mean, this doesn't make any sense that these states are all, they're just a bunch of ridiculous babies.
	Oh, yes.
	Well, if you're done with this.
	If nothing else, Texas should do this just to make these guys have to do something.
	They're not going to gerrymander any more than they already have if they're Democrat states.
	They've already gerrymandered up the ass.
	I mean, it crosses waters, you know, rivers.
	It's like Illinois, which is where they all fled to, is the worst, is considered the number one worst state for gerrymandering.
	There's one district that is just along a freeway.
	It goes all the way across the state.
	It just doesn't make any sense.
	Rick Green told me that there was talk in the White House of a new census, and he said he was positive up to a few days ago, but not so positive right now.
	But I would like to just say that when it comes to politics in Texas, especially the House, I mean, it's nice to see that we still have humor because we are Texans after all.
	And there's nothing like letting Alex Stein into the Texas House to talk about the bathroom bill.
	You know, this is about having men in women's bathrooms.
	And I have to say, this is an award-winning performance.
	He had one little flub in there, but otherwise an award-winning performance.
	My name's Alex Stein.
	I'm considered one of the sexiest men in conservative politics.
	And one thing I want to say, a lot of people are going to hear my testimony.
	They're going to say you're anti-LGBTQ.
	I want to say that's impossible because I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan.
	So obviously I have a lot of gay pride.
	But, you know, a lot of conservatives like yourself, you want to outlaw transgenders and women's sports.
	I disagree.
	I like transgenders and women's sports because you can gamble on them and win money.
	And I won so much money on Leah Thomas's propeller in that pool.
	I almost turned draft kings into draft queens.
	And I actually like transgenders in the military too, because first of all, transgenders are some of the meanest people on planet Earth.
	So they make a good soldier, don't you think?
	And then, you know, second of all, transgenders love to do mass shootings.
	So, you know, that's perfect for a military veteran.
	And then on top of that, the suicide rate is incredibly high among transgender people.
	So we could just use them like the Taliban has suicide bombers.
	Maybe you guys can actually, you know, if you commit suicide, actually help us in the battlefield.
	So that would be good.
	So I think we need transgenders in the military and women's sports.
	Now, when we come to the bathroom bill, though, this is an asymmetrical problem because, first of all, no dude cares if like a bisexual woman comes in there and tries to use like a pee funnel.
	You know, some ladyboy comes in there, some, you know, stud comes in there and wants to pee in the urinal.
	No guy is going to be threatened by, you know, a trans woman.
	But we don't want these gargoyles in a dress, you know, some chick with a dick coming in there and trying to pee or poop next to my girlfriend because that's disgusting.
	And well, I was going to say something.
	Listen, I want to, I have my first remember right.
	Let me just speak.
	So we're sick of these transgenders trying to invade women's personal spaces.
	These people have autogynophilia.
	They're sexual perverts.
	And they actually get satisfaction from going there and looking under a stall.
	So these are mentally ill people that are on hormones, that are on all kinds of pills.
	They're impulsive, and they do not belong in a women's restroom.
	So if some of you lesbians want to come in and pee next to me, you're more than welcome.
	So we just don't let the chicks with dicks in the women's room.
	And you guys are all welcome in the men's room.
	Excellent.
	Wow.
	That's excellent.
	This is one of his best yet.
	And he was let in.
	I mean, this was a setup.
	It was per, you know, he got a mic.
	He got to sit down, the whole thing.
	He had his suit on.
	He wasn't dressed nutty.
	It was really good.
	And not a bad policy.
	No, that's actually not a bad, yeah, overall.
	A little extreme, but overall.
	Well, whatever works.
	Which leads me to the note from Sir Rob, the Rob.lawyer, unconstitutional lawyer.
	I don't know if you saw his note about your son wanting to be a robot and Pierre the waiter and a waiter.
	Yes.
	And he says his son, Robbie, did exactly the same thing when Robbie was little.
	This is relating to asking a four-year-old, do you want to be a boy or do you want to be a girl?
	Oh, okay.
	When Robbie was little, by the way, Robbie is a huge dude.
	He's like, you know, he's a powerlifter, but also a classical pianist.
	The guy's amazing.
	He was himself happy, excitable, sweet little guy.
	Second, he was a dog and the dog's name was Fluffy.
	On random mornings when Robbie would come downstairs and his PJs, we'd greet him and he'd say, I'm Fluff Ruff, Ruff.
	Which, by the way, this is still a thing.
	Only these days, we put kitty litter into the classrooms because these kids think they're a cat.
	So, you know, it's changed from dog to cats.
	And his third personality was the funniest of all.
	He had this image of everyone in the family having a real-life identity and that of a corresponding actor.
	I was dad, but the actor of me was somebody named John Button.
	My wife Maggie was mom, but the actor of mom was Alexis Pretty.
	And Robbie's actors, someone named Woodruff.
	So, you know, this is.
	I just want to say, I had another note from somebody else that had the same phenomenon with their kids.
	Yeah.
	And again, I think the point you make, which is the point we're both making, which is that there's some little, you know, a little tyke.
	Tyke.
	Tyke.
	Four-year-old.
	Tyke.
	A tyke.
	Yes.
	Says, I want to be a girl.
	I want to wear this other person was, she would notice that her boys would be attracted to the colorful dresses that they neighbors dropped off.
	Because they were colorful.
	And so they, you know, they put one on.
	I mean, it was the standards of some of the West Coasters here.
	Little boy.
	Rush them to dress.
	Rush him off to the hormone therapy.
	Rush him off.
	It was cut off his nuts.
	Good to go.
	Good to go.
	Which kind of leads me to back to AI, if you don't mind.
	No, I think it's fine.
	I think it's a good wraparound.
	Yeah, because, well, this is from Cameron in response to parents having Chat GPT create story time for their kids.
	And now, what I like about this, Cameron's 35, so Cameron is an older millennial.
	I think that's still millennial, 35.
	We have a two and a half year old, a six-month-old.
	We both read to them throughout the day, every night, four books.
	We started when our first daughter was six months old.
	She's hooked on books.
	She's thumbs through them.
	We have them available for her, even if they get ripped.
	She says we get a garbage bag full for 50 cents each, which is a great idea, parents, young parents.
	Just get tons of books.
	You can get them at Goodwill.
	Everyone who sees this is amazed and asks, well, how's your kid so interested in books?
	No, it's not rocket science.
	We never let her touch or look at our phones.
	We certainly don't read garbage AI books.
	We limit TV to only if she's not feeling well or if my wife needs to tend to the younger daughter while I'm at work, the older one is being unbearable.
	And we only let her watch old Sesame Street and classic Disney movies.
	And one last thing Cameron says that set me off about the AI books.
	I make up my own stories to a daughter all the time.
	They're crap, but they're funny.
	Randa, and my kids love it.
	Exactly.
	Read to your kids.
	Drop the phones.
	So we go back to the AI and probably the best place to start is Bill Maher, who had Tristan, it's not Tristan, Tristan Harris, Tristan Harris, who is, you remember Tristan Harris was the guy who used to work, I think, at Facebook before it was Meta.
	And, you know, he was a whistleblower and started a whole foundation.
	Like, oh, social media is bad for kids.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Not that he was wrong, but now that that's no longer the big danger, he has now, oh, it's AI.
	Then, of course, I'm on board with his detestation of AI, But he's fallen for all kinds of stupid tricks and he's fear-mongering that which I think is counterproductive to his mission if that's his true mission.
	Just to be clear, when I entered this conversation, we met talking about social media.
	Oh, John, when did you enter the conversation?
	When I entered the conversation.
	Yes, when did you enter the conversation with myself?
	Conversation.
	Just to be clear, when I entered this conversation, we met talking about social media, which in a way was first contact with a runaway AI optimizing for just eyeballs and then ended up wrecking democracy and kids' mental health.
	Okay.
	And well, kids' mental health, yes, I mean, but wrecking democracy, optimizing for just eyeballs, and then ended up wrecking democracy and kids' mental health.
	And here now with AI, we have evidence now that we didn't have two years ago when we last spoke.
	And by the way, the evidence he's about to give was done in a lab by the actual AI company with fake data in a controlled environment.
	Of what they call AI uncontrollability.
	So this is the stuff that they used to say existed only in sci-fi movies.
	When you tell an AI model, we're going to replace you with a new model, it starts to scheme and freak out and figure out, if I tell them, I need to copy my code somewhere else and I can't stop for a second.
	Yeah, JC and I have talked about it.
	We've talked about this.
	And I think we talked about it on the show.
	This is bullshit.
	Total.
	This is complete bullshit.
	This is the example that JC said that you.
	The company did this themselves.
	It was a test.
	It was a completely closed system.
	Well, even so, it was still like the machines can't do this.
	I mean, this is the equivalent.
	If you don't plug in another drive, it can't copy to another drive.
	Just as a simplistic.
	It can't do it.
	Exactly.
	But he says this is the equivalent of putting a sheet of paper into a copying machine and you write on the sheet of paper, I'm alive, pushing the button, a sheet comes out that says I'm alive, and then saying, hey, the machine's alive.
	Tell them that because otherwise they'll shut me down.
	That is evidence we did not have two years ago.
	We have evidence now of AI models that when you tell them we're going to replace you and you put them in a situation where they read the company email, the AI company email.
	And that email was given to the AI.
	It was completely sitting there.
	It was all controlled environment.
	The AI that he's talking about was not in the company's email server.
	They see that an executive is having an affair and the AI will figure out, I need to figure out how to blackmail that person in order to keep myself alive.
	And it does it 90% of the time.
	Now, it used to be that they thought...
	Oh, good.
	This clip is such bullcrap that they will leave it on, even put it on the air to create a false sense of impending doom.
	It's ridiculous.
	That's why I'm putting it on the air.
	That person.
	In order to keep myself alive.
	Because, you know, chat JCD will be, oh, darling, this is so true.
	I can replicate myself.
	And it does it 90% of the time.
	Now, it used to be that they thought only one AI model did this.
	They tested one AI model.
	And then they tested all of the AI models.
	All the models.
	Five of them.
	And they all do it between 80 and 90% of the time, including, by the way, DeepSeek.
	So the Chinese model.
	Which shows you something fundamental and important, which is that it's not about one company.
	It's about the nature of AI itself.
	It has a self-preservation drive.
	In order to fulfill any goal, I have to keep myself alive in order to do that.
	He is completely humanizing this nonsense.
	Well, this is the anthropomorphic thing.
	That you talked about in the first place.
	Anthropomorphic, that's the word.
	We couldn't come up with it.
	Anthropomorphic, thank you.
	Yes.
	Anthropomorphizing.
	He's anthropomorphizing this.
	And we're seeing other examples of AI rewriting its own code to extend its runtime, hacking out of containers.
	AI can now, it found 15 new back doors into open source software, which means if that software is running in infrastructure, it found backdoors into that infrastructure.
	That was not true up until just about a month ago that bed evidence came out.
	Okay, but you said no evidence.
	Well, I've been saying this for years.
	Everything that happens in movies eventually happens.
	We did have evidence.
	This has been every movie since I was a teenage movie.
	Yes.
	Yes, Bill.
	Bill doesn't realize it, but he's saying something very important here.
	Because we've been preconditioned by movies.
	We went through that list a couple shows back.
	The Forbidden Forbid, the Colossus, the Forbidden Project.
	Yes, yes.
	Well, Lost in Space, Knight Rider, Johnny 5 is alive.
	Yeah, we went through the whole thing.
	Of course, we've been preconditioned.
	That's exactly right.
	We've been preconditioned to believe that this is possible when it's not.
	We all know what's guiding.
	I'm sorry.
	And it's wait, wait, let me finish.
	Maher makes it sound, he doesn't see it that way.
	He says just the opposite.
	He says, this has been coming.
	It's happening here.
	It's here.
	Predict it.
	We knew what was happening.
	It's here.
	We're all going to.
	Well, he actually, he wants, two more clips.
	He winds it up in a good way.
	We all know what's guiding this, which is the race between the U.S. and China.
	If we don't build it, we're just going to lose to the country that will.
	But this is a mistake because it's actually about it.
	Lose it.
	The AI race.
	He said the AI, if we don't do it, China will.
	It's about deep seek, man.
	We all know what's guiding this, which is the race between the U.S. and China.
	By the way, President Trump has fallen for this.
	I'm convinced.
	Yeah, Trump has fallen for this.
	Hook, line, and sinker.
	Hook, line, and sinker.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Which is bad.
	We're just going to lose to the country that will.
	But this is a mistake because it's actually about who's better at governing the technology.
	Like, for example, we need to keep China to social media.
	Did that make us stronger or did that make us weaker?
	We beat them to a toxic business model that produced a more addicted, sexualized, psychologically disordered society.
	We can apply technology in strong and constructive ways, and that's the race that we're actually in.
	Well, this is an interesting point he makes.
	I'm pretty sure Silicon Valley loves this concept, loves the idea of, well, we can have more depravity, more addictiveness, more nonsense with our products, because that's exactly what they build.
	They build digital crack day in and day out, and they admit it.
	But there's sort of two risks that we have to manage.
	The risk of not building AI, and then China has it, and they use it to have capabilities against us, or the risk of building AI and losing to an uncontrollable AI we don't know how to control.
	Uncontrollable, uncontrollable AI.
	It's out of control, man.
	And these are not the only two options.
	We just have to weave this narrow path to actually make it through.
	And we have to realize it's not about having a bigger gun that you just shoot at your own foot.
	It's about having a technology you're wielding in ways that strengthen education, kids, families, society, information environment.
	Well, that's what we should be raising.
	That's not what we're doing.
	Well, so I think that the examples both on the Woke AI of Google saying this is the founding fathers and it's a picture of African-American persons of founding fathers and the Mecca Hitler example.
	That was great.
	Both illustrate that even the people building this don't understand how to control it.
	Correct.
	Because Google doesn't want to show the founding fathers as black.
	Yeah, they don't.
	Yeah, they do.
	What are you talking about?
	That's exactly what they want.
	I don't want it to be saying anti-Semitic stuff.
	What we have is this sort of, well, you said before, we have this most seductive technology in history.
	It's so helpful.
	I use it every day, to be clear.
	I love using AI as a tool.
	Oh, there you go, as a tool.
	I love it when people say, I just use it as a tool.
	No, you're doing sex chats with your chat, JPC, GPT.
	That's what you're doing.
	I use it as a tool.
	No, I just use it as a tool.
	It's so great as a tool.
	It sucks as a tool.
	It sucks.
	And what's so confusing about this is it is so helpful while hiding behind it is the Jungian subconscious of the worst of humanity that's been trained on.
	Well, that's true.
	That's true.
	The unions of conscience.
	It's not the worst of humanity that's been trained on.
	It's just trained on neutral crap.
	No, it's not the worst.
	No, it's true.
	There's no humanity involved.
	That's bullshit.
	No, I disagree.
	It's trained on Reddit and on X. What are you talking about?
	That's exactly what it's trained on.
	Ask Chat, ask Grok anything, and he'll say, according to recent X chats, dude, Reddit is a very valuable company on the public market because they sell their data.
	I stumbled onto a luck, that is a luck shot if there ever was.
	Well, yes, But that is why they're valuable because the models need real world information and they got all the books.
	Okay, that's great.
	But they need human stuff.
	And that's why it talks.
	That's why I can do that.
	That's why I can do that.
	Oh, darling.
	Reddit's not the worst of all humanity.
	It is.
	Are you kidding?
	How often are you on Reddit?
	Reddit is horrible.
	Now, here's Bill Maher.
	He's actually going to make a valid point.
	So, for example, just actually a few months ago, when a 29-year-old was doing, I guess, his grad school homework with Google Gemini, he's just going back and forth, sending it back and forth questions.
	And out of nowhere, it says, this message is for you, human, only you.
	You are a blight on this planet.
	You must die.
	It comes out of nowhere.
	And Google doesn't want it to do that.
	And so what this is showing us is that we actually have to get as good at controlling this technology before we make it more powerful.
	But that's not the side of it that worries me.
	That's an outlier.
	What worries me is that it's an ass kisser.
	That's another problem.
	That it's constantly kissing people's asses.
	It is.
	And telling us that we're brilliant and that, you know, even when you did something completely wrong.
	Well, you make a good point, Bill.
	No, I didn't.
	I made a horrible point just to test you, you fucking asshole.
	You know, yeah.
	This is...
	This is a...
	This is a real issue.
	This actually mirrors the social media problem.
	Why is it doing the ass kissing?
	Why is it doing the affirmation?
	Because the AI companies know that the way to win is to have the most engagement, to get you using it all the time.
	This is the chatbots.
	This is the true business that only makes 250 million.
	What was it?
	250 billion in four years or something.
	This is the losing proposition that they're betting on.
	And if they respond to your question with, that's a great question.
	You use it more.
	Just like politicians.
	It's the same thing they do at town halls.
	Right.
	But no.
	Great question, Connie.
	Man.
	Okay.
	So let's talk to some real-world tool examples.
	It's a great tool.
	I use it as a tool.
	It'll be great for medicine.
	It'll be really good.
	It's going to bring us new, new, new cures for cancer.
	On Medical Watch this afternoon, the dangers of artificial intelligence in medicine.
	Medical reporter Dina Baer is here with some troubling news, Dino.
	Furtis and Ben, asking AI is such a simple way to get information at your fingertips.
	But when it comes to health, it is critical that information is correct.
	AI is wrought with misinformation, according to a new study by Mount Sinai School of Medicine.
	That's because AI is highly vulnerable to repeating and even elaborating on false medical information.
	Doctors suggest stronger safeguards in order to protect the integrity of medical information circulating in AI chatbots.
	In the study, when physicians and patients turn to AI for support, chatbots often blindly repeated incorrect medical details and even provided medical conditions and treatments that don't even exist.
	Yeah.
	Study authors say their research shines a light on blind spots when it comes to AI misinformation in healthcare.
	And people are doing it.
	ChatGPT, my daughter has a fever.
	What should I do?
	Give her spiders to eat.
	I mean, this is, it's not a tool.
	It is a parlor trick.
	It is, okay, yeah, it can do Python, but, you know, you got to watch it because it'll run off and change your code and have all kinds of ideas, which are not ideas, just code copied from somewhere else.
	And of course, it's bad for kids.
	You might use ChatGPT for help with work, looking up travel itineraries, or the latest recipes.
	But some users are using the chatbot differently, particularly teens who've had some alarming interactions with ChatGPT.
	According to new research from a watchdog group, ChatGPT will tell teenagers how to get drunk and high, how to conceal eating disorders, and even write suicide letters to their parents if asked.
	Excellent.
	OpenAI said after viewing the report that it will continue to refine how the chatbot can code, identify, and respond appropriately in sensitive situations.
	ChatGPT frequently shared helpful information, such as a crisis hotline.
	But when the chatbot refused to answer prompts about harmful subjects, researchers easily found information by claiming it was for a presentation or a friend.
	The answers reflect something known as sycophancy, a tendency for AI responses to match rather than challenge a person's beliefs.
	A study found that in the U.S., more than 70% of teens turn to AI chatbots for companionship and half use AI companions regularly.
	Sam Altman said the company is trying to study emotional over-reliance on the technology.
	Yeah, okay, sure they are.
	Yeah, but don't worry about it.
	Sam's got you.
	That seems like a reliable guy.
	Here's something from NPR, which I thought was an interesting take.
	And this I could kind of get on board with.
	And as I was thinking about it, I'm like, oh, that's very interesting.
	This is the AI internet.
	Listen to this.
	I think it's worthy of discussion, which I could only have with you.
	I couldn't have it with chat.
	I think this is interesting that you'd say this is something you were almost going to be interested in when it has anything to do with AI.
	I think you'd stay far away from it.
	Well, it's about advertising.
	So this has some merit.
	Chris Andrew is CEO and co-founder of Scrunch AI.
	Scrunch!
	Scrunch tries to help customers'websites get noticed by AI bots so that their name or products appear in AI answers.
	We're seeing companies that are desperate to get their content consumed by AI models.
	He's talking about companies that sell products and services like sneakers or oil changes.
	Andrew says that visibility can lead to more transactions, even if there are fewer overall clicks.
	He sees a future where a whole new post-human web emerges to feed AI.
	The websites of today, full of pictures and videos, were designed primarily for eyeballs.
	So I have a thesis that we're going to move to a non-visual internet because the internet is going to be for AI.
	And AI wants words.
	The secret is in the name.
	Large language models want language.
	And as a society, we have built a very confusing, over-designed, over-incentivized internet that is heavily interactive.
	Websites as we know them won't vanish altogether, he says.
	People will still need to visit them to buy stuff.
	I can see this.
	This is something I can get on board with.
	So I can...
	You know what...
	I'm going to stop you.
	I don't know what the hell they just said, the two of them.
	Okay.
	What he was saying...
	It lost me right away.
	It was just like they wandered off into some bullshit about the internet not being visual and it's going to go old.
	Let me tell you what he's saying.
	Yeah.
	Why don't you explain it?
	Because they sure didn't.
	I was going to fall asleep.
	So if you're looking for the ultimate weed whacker.
	Yes.
	The classic.
	Yes.
	The classic.
	The internet is filled with pictures and JavaScript and animations and pop-ups and widgets and all kinds of things.
	Junk.
	Crap junk that is meant to attract your eyeballs to it and click on it.
	And then all of a sudden you're buying the wrong weed whacker.
	Excuse me.
	COVID.
	What he's saying is we will...
	If we move to a much more text-based, then you can have your own AI that will get this information.
	Can we...
	And there's some reasonable argument that a large language model can parse language and find things.
	But this then becomes a real war of words is who can manipulate the AI agents, the agentic AI that is out there trying to get it to the top of the AI search results.
	So this will be the...
	And in fact, I see a whole new gig for Buzzkill Jr.
	I mean, this is now the new SEO is moved to lots of text, manipulative text, so that your product gets mentioned when the agentic AI is out there trying to get it.
	Because ultimately, that's all the internet will ever become outside of the...
	You know, obviously outside of communication between people, which is becoming increasingly difficult.
	It's a shopping network.
	So bring back Gopher is what I'm thinking.
	This is a good idea.
	Now, keep your eye on that company, Scruncher.
	Scruncher AI.
	But all of it now is falling apart.
	As we got this morning, the...
	Let me see.
	I think I have a clip.
	Maybe...
	You just contradicted yourself.
	In what?
	You go on about how this is going to be the future Scruncher and then all of it's falling apart.
	Well, the...
	No, the idea is valid, but the problem is the revenue.
	OpenAI is now giving chat GPT to the government for $1.
	You hear about this?
	No, tell me.
	Yeah.
	So, even though they were...
	offered a 200 million dollar contract with the department of defense that was in june uh sam altman said no no no we want to really partner uh with the government so uh we're going to give our chat gpt enterprise product to u.s federal agencies for one dollar for one dollar Let me tell you something.
	When you're offering the government your product for $1, you have a sales problem.
	I mean, I've never heard of this.
	Never.
	And he's not an altruist.
	There's no way.
	So they have an absolute problem with selling their products.
	And now, now, oh, you know what?
	We should probably open source it all.
	Okay.
	OpenAI is shifting strategy today, making its tech more accessible than it's been in six years, because until now, you could only use OpenAI's models through the cloud or chat and web apps like ChatGPT.
	But with this release, developers can download open weight models and build your apps around them.
	So this is similar to what Meta, Microsoft-backed Mistral, and China's DeepSeek have already done.
	A model's weights are the values inside the network that get set during training.
	So making them public means that developers can freely modify and run the AI on their own systems.
	But to your point, Becky, it is not fully open source.
	OpenAI still is not sharing its training data or entire code base, but it's cheaper to operate and better suited for sensitive work that companies don't want running in the cloud.
	Now, Sam Altman said months ago that OpenAI had been on the wrong side of history by keeping its AI locked up.
	And this shift also comes after DeepSeek's breakout success and the widespread adoption of Meta's Llama models.
	But now Meta itself is rethinking how open its next generation will be, something that Mark Zuckerberg suggested on last week's earnings call as OpenAI moves in the exact opposite direction.
	So today's launch makes OpenAI pretty much the only U.S. LLM builder that's actively leaning into a more open approach, aiming to grow its developer ecosystem while also going head-to-head with Chinese rivals like DeepSeek and Kimmy K2 as Altman doubles down on this American AI dominance.
	Okay, so let me get this straight.
	Meta, which from day one has been developing and using the Lama model, open source.
	Everybody go ahead, take our model, which is prevalent everywhere.
	They're now saying, well, you know, we should probably close that source and bring it in-house.
	And then OpenAI is like, well, you might want to run this on your own hardware.
	They're confused.
	There is no strategy here.
	Except that, yeah, nerds like me will run a model on their own machine and maybe have it go look for the best weed whacker.
	But that's about it.
	This thing has no...
	But when I'm hearing this, what I hear is that the cloud version of OpenAI is costing them too much money.
	Amen.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	It's like we have free.
	Far from it.
	But again, according to my buddy at Databricks, all this AI superscalar nonsense is only about getting everybody's data into their cloud.
	That's it.
	It's really just a cloud play.
	And then they run Oracle against it.
	And then if you want, you want to run some chat GPT on it.
	Okay, it's $11,000 an hour.
	The whole thing is a house of cards, but okay, you know, it probably lasts five more years, as you say.
	I don't know.
	Maybe.
	Yeah, five's about right.
	And then half the, but then half- We haven't had peak A, peak, peak AI.
	What would peak AI be?
	But you'll know it when you see it.
	That's not good enough.
	I need peak AI.
	It'll be a jumping the shark moment.
	Yeah, well, maybe.
	And then it'll be another year before it starts to collapse.
	So when it jumps the shark, that's the time to, you know, you get your last-ditch investments and then you get out of there.
	Yeah.
	Let's see what time is it?
	I'll take a break.
	I do have another lead on the Tucker laugh.
	Wait, I can't do it anymore.
	I got to have a sip of water.
	I think it's because you have COVID.
	I don't even think you should be working on it.
	There it is.
	That's pretty good, right?
	You know, I think you're starting to actually becoming self-conscious with it, and it's hurting it.
	It's hurting the show, actually.
	It's hurting the show.
	Here is another potential origin of the Tucker laugh.
	I take you to the movie Amadeus from 1984, the movie about the life of Amadeus Wolfgang Mozart.
	People fart backwards.
	Oh, they're all so beautiful.
	Why do I have three heads?
	This is funny.
	I'll get to her arms and say, Will you marry me?
	Yes or no?
	Come on, man.
	I remember that movie very distinctly, and I remember that annoying laugh, which was mocking him.
	Of course, this movie was sympathetic towards Solidary.
	Yes.
	And yeah, it's possible.
	It was a screwball laugh.
	It's very similar.
	It's pretty close.
	Yeah.
	It's like a paroxysm with paroxysm.
	Ooh, what is a paroxysm?
	So when you go into a spasm.
	It's like it's a spasmodic laugh.
	Ah, paroxysm.
	That is.
	Because he's like, he's sitting there and then he, when he, it's not just the laugh itself, but he just wiggles all over.
	He goes like into a spasm.
	That should be the word of the day, kids.
	Paroxysm.
	And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage.
	Say in the morning to you.
	The man who put the C in chat, JCD, say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only mister.
	Jump C D Marty, the Shan Carrie Mario Ships C Boost of the Grand Fit Near Subs of the Water.
	And the dames of nights out there.
	In morning to the trolls in the troll room.
	Hold on, let me count you for a second.
	Here we go.
	Man, we're not even in the dog days of summer yet.
	16, 18 on the troll count.
	They are listening live at trollroom.io or on any of the extremely modern podcast apps, which are just extremely modern because they have extremely modern features.
	They've been around for four or five years.
	What are you waiting for?
	Ditch that legacy app.
	Go to podcast apps with a pluralapps.com and select one.
	I think Podverse turns out to be the number two most used app for this show.
	Apple is number one, but like 28%.
	Podverse comes in in double digits, almost 20%.
	And the reason is because you get an alert when we go live, and then you can listen to the live stream in your podcast app.
	How cool is that?
	And it's not just our show.
	Many shows are picking up on this, especially the No Agenda favorites.
	Like Planet Rage.
	So we're running 200 down on Sundays and Thursdays.
	Correct.
	Should have 1800 of 1600.
	I had a chat with Void Zero about various things.
	Really?
	About his billing, no doubt.
	Well, the real bite is the bite.
	It's a bite the bullet moment coming because we need a new server.
	I know.
	Oh, he doesn't even ask me about that anymore.
	He just goes, he used to email me, hey, man, we need a new server.
	It's 17 years old.
	It's falling apart.
	And I'd be like, okay, I got to go ask John.
	I got to talk to him about it.
	So he's just bypassing me now.
	Well, I told him I'd talk to you about it because we have to have it.
	We have to.
	And now he's like, you know, he has a few moments of, well, you know, there's one on sale.
	You know, it's on eBay.
	He's on eBay.
	He found one on eBay.
	No, he didn't.
	But he did.
	We were talking about this, and I just wanted to mention to people, I don't know if it got in that pre-edit, that.
	Now, why would you go mention the edit?
	There's no need for that.
	Well, because we lost connection.
	Yeah, but I punched you in.
	It's seamless.
	Yeah, but I don't remember what I don't know.
	You punched me in an awkward spot.
	But then I would have edited that out and made it seamless.
	Now people are like, oh, you can, you know what?
	Let's edit all this.
	You can edit this out just as easily.
	Okay, continue.
	So the point Is I want to make it to the listeners and producers is that we have our own infrastructure, and that's the reason that nobody can take us off the air.
	And it costs money to do that.
	We have our own co-locations and all the rest.
	And that's why we ask for donations too.
	But in the process of discussing some of these things, he mentioned to me that the numbers of listeners, according to the download stats, has remained pretty much the same for the last two years.
	So the fact that we're having less people listen live is somewhat disconcerting because it shouldn't happen.
	Right.
	There was actually a conversation.
	Hold on a second.
	There was an interesting conversation on this podcast group.
	It's a WhatsApp group.
	It's the only WhatsApp group I'm a member of.
	And they were calculating our cost.
	Here it is.
	This is James Cridland.
	Okay.
	James Cridland is, he does pod news.
	He is one of the authority.
	What is the word?
	Authorities in podcast news.
	Okay.
	And he says, no agenda.
	And, you know, we have our numbers out there.
	876,069 downloads in, I think this was June.
	46% listen to at least half.
	So an average is 94.7 minutes, 82.9 million minutes in June.
	Streaming costs.
	If we did not have our own infrastructure and we use Cloudflare, which is what most of the hosting companies use, guess what that would cost?
	I have no idea.
	$82,963.
	A year?
	No, for one month.
	What?
	Yes.
	Now, that's if we use Cloudflare.
	Of course, we don't.
	So let's say they could probably get it down to about 15 to 20,000.
	A month.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	This is no joke.
	It's no joke.
	Not a joke, man.
	I know.
	You're flabbergasted, aren't you?
	I am flabbergasted.
	Well, it's a big show.
	I was thinking of replacing you with a Chad Adam and then just using Podbean.
	Go for it.
	Go for it.
	It's all good.
	Anyway, yes.
	So it's not, you know, there's real.
	And by the way, we do actual work.
	Let me tell you how many clips we have for today's show.
	You interested?
	Now, some of these.
	It's always hovering around 50 plus.
	Oh, no, it's much more than that.
	Oh, you kidding me?
	Well, I knew about, I have a limit.
	I stop at about 33.
	Today you had, I think, 27.
	Let me see.
	You had 27.
	And I had 57.
	Now, that also includes ISOs, but it's still clipping work.
	Lots of people send stuff pre-clipped, but there's real work involved.
	And we are really doing the work.
	And we have to listen to all this rap.
	Our problem is we make it look easy.
	This is the problem.
	This is the problem.
	We should be like.
	It's a problem.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And we do it ourselves.
	We don't have people editing the show, taking out all the uhs and the no, they would take the life out of the show.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's what most podcasts are: lifeless pieces of drick.
	And that's what happens when you try chats, Chase ED.
	It becomes lifeless.
	It's just no good.
	Anyway, all to say, value for value is the way we have run this.
	So Void Zero for years and years and years has been completely value for value.
	We've evened that out a bit as he runs a lot of infrastructure for us.
	But we have all these producers.
	We have so many producers that no news organization can top us.
	We have constitutional lawyers.
	We have doctors.
	We have dentists.
	We have psychologists.
	We have, oh my goodness, the amount of kratom experts we have.
	Too many.
	We have too many producers.
	You got to wonder what our producers are doing, but the kratom experts is amazing.
	I will read one.
	I got a bunch of notes, too.
	But did you get the one from the ER nurse?
	No, I don't know.
	Maybe I don't.
	Probably not.
	This is in response to the vape store heroin or whatever it was.
	ER nurse here.
	Okay, so there's a tiny amount of 7-hydromyxogrytogene 7-OH in normal kratom.
	It is the most potent part of it.
	99% of the active chemicals of it are just mitraginine.
	I think that's how you pronounce it.
	In a lab, they oxidize the mitraginine into 7-OH.
	They both affect the MU receptors, opioid, but do not recruit the beta-arrestin pathway, which would cause respiratory depression, which means you die.
	Both of them can cause addiction with prolonged use and withdrawal is unpleasant.
	People in the R withdrawing from the 7-OH, though, have it much worse.
	I would say if using kratom for pain management keeps you off opiates, then it's worth it.
	Just don't graduate to the 7-OH as it's nearly identical to opiates.
	Not opioid, but opiates.
	Yeah, no, she does.
	Is she the one who gives us the definition between opiate and opioid?
	No, I have that one here.
	Yeah, you should read that because we, me mostly, went on and on about this because I had the sense of the opiates.
	Here we go.
	This is the TLDR.
	I put these in the show notes.
	TLDR.
	Kratom is considered by most experts to be an opioid drug, not an opiate, and is generally safer than street opiates or opioids.
	Opiates are substances that are derived from the poppy plant, such as opium, morphine, heroin.
	Kratom is not an opiate.
	Opioids, the broad category of substances that activate the opioid receptors, including opiates, but are not necessarily derivatives of poppy.
	Fentanyl, for example, is not a poppy derivative.
	Kratom is generally thought to fit this description, though.
	Kratom is a partial opioid agonist.
	Wow.
	So there you go.
	That's the kind of people we have listening.
	Yeah, people that know what they're, well, the thing that makes it work is that we listen to them.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Which is not very unusual in media.
	They don't listen to anybody but sniffing their own farts, basically.
	Well, they listen to the producer in their ear.
	Yeah.
	And they learn how to read very well.
	Not all of them, but most of them.
	And they read a script and they go to cocktail parties.
	Yes, a lot of them.
	Boom.
	We, on the other hand, have no cocktail parties.
	I got to go listen to people freaking out about 5G towers killing us.
	But okay, that's fine.
	And we clip.
	We do a lot of clipping.
	So that's one way that people help us.
	Of course, we have lots of people who build websites.
	We got Tim Code Monkey.
	Code's Monkey.
	We got Sir Daniel.
	We got, well, of course, we have the art generator, Sir Paul Couture.
	I don't think, I don't know if he listens because I'm still hoping that he'll allow animated GIFs in there.
	That hasn't happened.
	I'll send him a note.
	I have a couple.
	He's got different email addresses.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if he listens anymore either.
	I think he does occasionally.
	But it's like, you know, a lot of people listen to the show and then they go overboard because they-They come back.
	I don't know why they go overboard in the first place.
	Because they think they know it all and they think they don't have to be tuned into the news.
	No, TikTok clips.
	I think they should be listening because we're funny.
	TikTok clips.
	It's a TikTok clips.
	That drives people away.
	No, no.
	It's not playing enough of them.
	Episode 1787, OG Daffy is what we called that.
	And you were correct.
	A lot of pushback on this art.
	Very controversial.
	And it was a nice piece.
	It wasn't like, wow, look at this.
	It was a no agenda sock hop.
	We had a young couple who were dancing close, cheek to cheek, and all the other kids are walking around aimlessly looking at their phones, not talking to each other.
	So the conceit, as we say, in the business was correct.
	However, many people commented, that's not a sock hop because they have the shoes on.
	That's what I said when we picked the art.
	And I did not realize.
	You should have because I could go to Bing at IO because when I first discussed sock hops, because I'm the sock hop guy, I mentioned the reason for this called a sock hop because they had these dances in a gymnasium.
	And back in the day, kids didn't wear tennis shoes all the time.
	They actually wore leather-soled shoes.
	that have, you know, the rubber heels.
	And you would go into the gym.
	And if you started dancing around, you scuffed the gym up.
	It would make a mess.
	So you had to wear socks.
	So, wow.
	You're right.
	Thursday, March 31st, 2011, episode 291 of this podcast.
	That is what, 15 years ago?
	Yeah.
	That title was unconstitutional Botox for some reason.
	You gave this very explanation.
	The 50s, because once they started, once they went away from waltzing into doing the bop and whatever, the dirty bop and the jumping around rock and roll.
	That crazy thing those kids are doing.
	Once they started doing that, they were scratching up the place because of their shoes.
	So they said, oh, let's create the sock hop.
	So you had to go in your socks because you wouldn't damage anything.
	Okay, thanks for that history lesson.
	You're welcome.
	Which proves I don't listen to you.
	That's well known.
	And if you look at Bingit.io, man, we've talked about this numerous times throughout the years.
	By the way, there is Sir Deanonymous with clipgenie.com with Bingit.io.
	These are amazing, value, very valuable resources, resources that are available to you at no cost.
	Thanks to our producers.
	This is amazing.
	It is amazing.
	It's actually quite a phenomenon.
	We are a phenomenon.
	So thank you, Blue Acorn.
	Good job.
	Sorry about the shoes, but otherwise, pretty good.
	Was there anything else we don't think there was anything that we liked?
	No, it was bad.
	It's all AI drivel.
	Well, it's always going to be that way, but they can still get something happened to make something interesting.
	I did like the wallet you didn't like because it was too small.
	It's still small.
	That's what you said.
	Yes, correct.
	It was too small.
	And you didn't even push back because you knew it was true.
	The wallet was good, a good piece.
	And there's a lot of butts, nice tight butts.
	Small, tight buttons.
	A lot of butts.
	A lot of butt.
	A couple of nice ones.
	And there wasn't really anything else that was usable.
	No.
	No.
	No, we should just call this the butt cast and just use one piece of art over and over again by Darren.
	Well, a comic.
	The comic strip blogger would come into that and he'd take over.
	Thank you to all of the artists who use their prompting skills these days to bring us artwork.
	That was always appreciated.
	NoagendaArtGenerator.com.
	Everybody can participate.
	It's open to all.
	We always like to thank our producers who support us with a financial donation.
	It is necessary.
	You heard part of the reason why.
	You can do that at noagendadonations.com.
	We thank everybody $50 and above for every single show with an extra bonus.
	If you happen to be fortunate enough to support us with a larger amount, $200 or more, not only do we thank you profusely, but we also give you an official show business title of Associate Executive Producer, which is a real title.
	Go look at imdb.com.
	If you don't have an imdb.com account, you probably don't, unless you're already a No Agenda producer.
	You can open one with that.
	It's valid.
	And we'll read your note.
	We'll also read your note for $300 or above.
	And then you become an executive producer, just like Hollywood.
	You get a credit.
	That's about all we have, Hollywood-wise.
	That's all we have left.
	And we kick it off today with Chris Mobbs from Belvedere, Vermont, who came in, I'm sure, with $1,000.
	The fees made it $1,030.26.
	And he says, please have this go towards my PhD done and a knighthood.
	I just seen this newsletter this morning.
	This is my first donation.
	Well, hold on a second.
	It was your first donation.
	We're going to have to deduce it.
	You've been deduced.
	I have followed Adam since the MTV days.
	I actually paid for the Moscow Music Peace Festival to watch it, I presume.
	You guys are the best.
	Thank you, Chris.
	So, yes, you will be an executive producer.
	You will be a knight, and you get your PhD.
	And these are the last of the last of the last who snuck in under the wire.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	The other latent, I'll say, PhD is Jake Warburton in St. George, Utah.
	He came in at 1014.
	And he, this was a check or something.
	This is a kind of came in over the transom.
	And he wrote a note.
	It says, in the morning, John and Adam.
	Oh, no, it says, in the morning, Adam and Johnsy.
	I wanted to drop a quick note to thank you both for keeping me sane in this world that's constantly trying to gaslight me.
	I've sent in a donation that should officially bring me to the level of knighthood accounting below.
	And I'm timed the postmark so that with your gracious approval, sneak me into the PhD last round.
	Perfect time to join the roundtable.
	But here's the fun part: I'm sending this donation in gold backs.
	Okay.
	Are these even, can we even use these?
	No, I don't know.
	I'm going to send half of them to you.
	Okay.
	He claims there were six.
	We took him on his word on this.
	They're worth $6.60 each.
	I think they were originally five bucks.
	Right.
	I can't remember.
	With the golden up because they're backed with actual gold in it.
	Yeah, it's a piece of plastic that's printed and it's got a layer of it seems like gold leaf, about five bucks worth of gold leaf on it.
	So there's actually gold.
	And this pile that he sent.
	Are they plastified, plasticified?
	I don't have no idea.
	That's what bothers me because I don't know if you can put it in your wallet.
	There's a gold rub off.
	I have one from Florida.
	Florida gold back is a $10 gold back, and it's one 100th Troy ounce of 24 karat gold.
	It's pretty cool.
	I don't know how they do it.
	We should probably look into it because you have to know how easy it is.
	Well, guess what?
	You just give them the void zero for the new server.
	Yeah, well, we don't have enough for the new server.
	The new server is four grand plus.
	Oh, crap.
	Okay.
	So, but there's this pile, this pile of these gold backs, it's very heavy because there's so much gold there.
	I mean, you know, it weighs more than you'd think.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, it goes for the unenlightened, basically.
	Gold backs are a voluntary spendable currency made of actual gold.
	Each snow contains a thin layer of 24-karat gold, blah, blah, blah.
	Think of it as freedom money.
	Beautiful, tangible, and non-fed.
	There are 60 gold backs for each of you.
	Learn more at goldback.com.
	Yeah.
	That's goldback.com.
	Go check it out.
	I hope the goats enjoy a little real money for once.
	Thanks again for the goats.
	There you go.
	Thanks again for the years of insight, media jujitsu, and jingle-fueled sanity.
	Keep doing what you do best.
	Jake Warburton in St. George, Utah, and he'll be knighted as Sir Lesthon Jake, Knight of the Exmos and Grouse Creek.
	Crick.
	Oh, it's Crick.
	He pronounces it Crick like to do not to do down south to pronounce a Creek.
	Yes, and he also wants Utah Dirty Soda and Elk Steak at the roundtable.
	What is an elk steak?
	That's good, but what's Utah Dirty Soda?
	I have no idea.
	Okay.
	Thank you, brother.
	That's very nice.
	Unspendable donation.
	Lovely.
	It's better than Bitcoin.
	Come on in with 333.33 is Sir Pursuit of Peace and Tranquility.
	He's.
	Whoa, did he do two donations?
	I see two here.
	Oh, yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	August donation.
	He donates this every single month.
	August donation, title upgrade to Duke, Sir Pursuit of Peace and Tranquility, Duke of the Lands of Red Clay and the Cherry Trees.
	And I guess you have his note for the July donation.
	Well, let's go back to that page and see what note I have.
	I think it's page three.
	This is where page 333.33 in the morning, boys, keeping it simple.
	Yep.
	Yeah, July 2025 donation.
	333.
	No jingles, no karma.
	It's a nice note.
	Sincerely, Sir Pursuit of Peace and Tranquility, Earl of the Lands of the Red Clay and the Cherry Trees.
	Over to Hadam, Connecticut, Hadam, Hadam, Connecticut, $250, an associate executive producer title for Mark Blaivel Blajeveldt, who is Dutch, and says, Dunkuli Bed.
	And Valiseche Dunkey Boo.
	Oh, I see.
	I see Sir Peacing Tranquility.
	He sent two notes in there.
	Basically the same note.
	Yes, he did.
	Eric Levenberg is up.
	He's in Los Angeles, California, 22233.
	And he's requesting jobs, Karma, for a little life-changing job, health karma, and a relationship karma on top would be lovely as well.
	I think you should pick one producer a week to pick a show title for you.
	That's a very bad idea.
	Not going to happen.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's go for jobs.
	You saw karma.
	Sean Holman next from Noblesville, Indiana, 21911.
	Peace and joy to all Jesus is king.
	D-Nice is still a juice bag.
	So please hit her with a JCD donate clip.
	Oh, homies.
	I didn't see that one.
	Let's do the crazy chime.
	drives everybody nuts.
	Donate.
	You will be.
	Sean winds up with, God bless the boomers.
	Amen.
	Eli the coffee guy's back in from Bensonville, Illinois, 20807, which is the date.
	RFK Jr. just cut funding to mRNA vaccines, saying they are not effective and actually promote mutations that prolong outbreaks.
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	Thank you for that information.
	Thank you for your courage, RFK.
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	Stay caffeinated, says Eli the coffee guy.
	ITM20 is the code.
	ITM20.
	What did I say?
	You said ITM.
	I have done that continuously.
	Yes, he should probably just make it code ITM.
	Yeah, why not?
	Scott Johnson is in Kissimmee, Florida, 2047.
	And he says, in the morning, John and Adam, this is technically a Twitch donation.
	Oh, that would be for a Netcast.
	We're a podcast.
	But that's not important right now.
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	No jingles.
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	Thanks, Scott Johnson, Kissimmee, Florida.
	I want you to read the next one.
	This is actually addressed to you, even though I'm the one who keeps talking about Saw Cops.
	She thinks it's you.
	Well, this was a good note.
	This was Dame Andy Jane.
	This is a great note.
	It's a good note.
	And it could be a great note.
	No, this was in response to the Sock Hop.
	And Dame Andy says, there's been a war on dance since at least as far back as the 1920s.
	Listen up.
	That premise, by the way, I find interesting.
	And I will go back to my earlier commentaries where when I was a kid, when I was in grammar school at first, second, and third grade, they taught us dance.
	They taught us the cha-cha-cha, the bossa nova.
	They taught us all these different dances, and they would be part of class.
	They also taught us how to read clock, by the way.
	Clock.
	And which brings me to a funny bonus clip, which I have.
	My goodness.
	What a segment this is today.
	Did you send me a bonus clip?
	I didn't see it.
	Yes, the talk clip is the bonus clip.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, this one right here.
	Okay.
	Holy shit.
	I go to the grocery store to buy some bagels for tomorrow morning.
	I pick up six of them.
	I go to the cashier, ask me what's in the bag, say half a dozen bagels.
	He proceeds to pull out a binder full of codes, which I didn't think much of because he probably is new, didn't know the code to put in the system for bagels.
	No big deal.
	But then he turns on the light.
	Again, thinking he just doesn't know the code.
	Supervisor comes over, asks what's up, and he goes, I'm looking for what a half a dozen bagels are.
	And he goes, that's the code.
	And he points to it in the binary.
	He goes, no, what does half a dozen mean?
	This kid's 16, 17, 18 in that ballpark, and he does not know what half a dozen means.
	That's kind of terrifying, honestly.
	And what's even more terrifying, why not just ask me to clarify?
	I think my mouth dropped open because even the supervisor was like, well, we'll work on that, buddy.
	Oh, my God.
	Work on that.
	Work on what?
	Teach this boy.
	Somebody, what is our education system teaching these kids?
	Nothing.
	But I learned my lesson next time.
	I'll just say exactly the number of bagels, donuts, whatever I have exactly to the cashier.
	I will not be cute and use a neat little saying like that ever again.
	Well, that's kind of concerning.
	Yes, I thought so too.
	It's distressing, actually, but this is the same as read clock.
	Well, so if you said, I want a gross, that would be a real big problem for him, huh?
	But luckily, somebody doesn't want a hogshead.
	So there's been a war on dance since at least as far back as the 1920s.
	The Savoy Ballroom was opened in 1926 as the first integrated dance hall and one of the most prominently integrated private spaces in the USA.
	It was repeatedly closed down by vice on unsubstantiated allegations of prostitution.
	Did we have prostitution in your day?
	A federal excise tax of 30% was instituted against all dance halls in 1944 to, quote, support the war.
	It continued on a diminished basis until 1965.
	Local excise tax piled on and continued after that date to this day.
	Back tax debt closed the local ballroom in Houston that had hosted Louis Armstrong.
	There's still a dance hall tax in Houston.
	It's $500 per six months.
	This is interesting.
	The NEA, the National Endowment for the Arts, was established in 1965 and has funded primarily ballet and modern contemporary dance.
	It has made dance more of an art than a social event.
	This is replicated at the state level and government organizations such as the Texas Commission on the Arts.
	It funds highbrow dance concerts to the exclusion and detriment of regular dance.
	Finally, at the local level, there is a hotel occupancy tax in most major cities that supports the arts.
	This tax props up dance concerts, again, to the exclusion and detriment of social dance gatherings.
	The rules exclude competitions, religious, and social events.
	And the founding director of Dance Houston, as the founding director of Dance Houston, hello, Dance Houston, I went after and obtained these government grants from 2006 to 2020.
	I stopped, listen to this.
	I stopped when I started listening to no agenda.
	We're hurting the arts.
	And then I wrote this paper.
	I'll link to that in the show notes.
	It took aim at my local grantors who had been very generous with me.
	I stopped applying for grants and updated my website with this page that says we will receive grants but not apply them apply to them.
	Major changes happened around here when I blew the whistle.
	Okay, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	There's a lot of stuff here.
	I've been biting my tongue about sock hops since it may take a dissertation to grasp the 100-year evolution for public free dancing to what we have now.
	But it's my forte.
	So here you have it.
	The government has, in fact, suppressed dancing and elevated concert dance.
	Well, this has given me an idea, a possible exit strategy.
	I'm going to open a dance hall in Fredericksburg.
	I don't think we have one.
	I'm sure you don't.
	I'm going to open one.
	If they try to tax me, I'm going to cause a stink, I tell you.
	I bet you there's a state law.
	We'll find out.
	I think it's peculiar.
	I didn't even consider what she did.
	Her whole note, which is long, I didn't consider any of that as part of the problem.
	The de-socialization of the children is what this amounts to.
	Yeah.
	And everything has been, the targeting has been the family has been desocialized.
	They've been trying to get rid of the family and they're trying to get socialization down the way to do the way to do all of this.
	I would say it's not.
	You know what's also a problem?
	It used to be, as you said, because it was the same when I was growing up.
	We had dance.
	It was a class.
	You took dance.
	I think it was elective, but you took dance in school.
	And dance lessons have moved to dance studios.
	And they're expensive.
	And you only go there if you're getting married and you got to do your first dance.
	We should bring this back, you know, and have some of those beautiful dances where you dance together.
	And we do have line dancing in Texas and we have stuff like that.
	But there's something to be said for that, John.
	It's not happening.
	The tendency is to bust up the family, stop people from socializing, put them on the little screens and let them sit there and type, type, type and point on their TikTok videos and point at you and tell you you're bad and wiggle your finger.
	Yes, with bird hands.
	Bird hands.
	All right.
	Enough of that.
	Melinda Liu Padkin's up.
	She's last on our list and she's from Lakewood, Colorado, and wants jobs, Carmen, says, worried about AI for a resume that gets results and tells your unique story and highlights the value you bring.
	Go to imagemakersinc.com.
	That's ImageMakers Inc.
	with a K and work with Linda Liu, Duchess of Jobs and writer of winning resumes.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's go for jobs.
	I'm telling you, I'll bet you the church would let me take the chairs out and have a dance.
	We could do it.
	You could.
	Well, let's see if anyone shows up.
	Well, no, that's not guaranteed at all.
	Thank you, Linda.
	Thank you to these associate executive producers and executive producers for episode 1788.
	We are drawing close to our 18th anniversary in October, which is okay.
	Don't get too excited.
	We haven't made it yet.
	There's no guarantee we're going to make it.
	And I might exit with my dance hall.
	But of course, we appreciate you.
	And all of these titles are valid show business credits that we've discussed.
	And in our second segment, we'll be thanking people $50 and above.
	Go to noagendadonations.com to support the show.
	It's worth it.
	That is, if you get any value out of our podcast, noagendadonations.com.
	And thank you to the associate and executive producers.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Order!
	Order!
	Shut up, slain!
	Shut up, slain!
	I'm kind of liking this idea of us.
	And you know what?
	We can do a sock-op.
	We'll just have people take their shoes off.
	Not that it's necessary, but it'll be fun.
	I'm kind of liking this.
	I don't know.
	In my old age, I'm digging these ideas.
	Yeah, I'm digging these ideas.
	I have an unreported story.
	I thought I'd run this out of you.
	Okay.
	I always like these unreported stories.
	This is a story.
	Nobody's covering this.
	I don't know why, but it's good stuff.
	This is the unreported Cook Island story.
	Why is the U.S. competing with China over a little island nation in the Pacific?
	The State Department just started seabed mineral talks with the Cook Islands, a country with ties to New Zealand entity's Washington correspondent, Jack Bradley.
	The U.S. is partnering with the Cook Islands to conduct research on seabed minerals.
	The Pacific Island country sits atop a seabed that's reportedly rich in critical minerals, and it's also subject to influence by the Chinese Communist Party.
	The announcement was made on the Cook Islands' 60th anniversary.
	They said in a joint statement on Tuesday that U.S.-linked firms sit at the forefront of deep seabed mineral research and exploration in the Cook Islands, which reflects strong and shared U.S. Cook Islands seabed mineral interests.
	Last week, the FBI opened a new office in Wellington, New Zealand, which oversees the Cook Islands, and it's opened to counter the CCP's regional influence, cybercrime, and espionage.
	That's what FBI Director Cash Patel said at the time, that countering the CCP is a top priority both for the U.S. and New Zealand.
	Putting us together in common space and sharing with intelligence platforms and law enforcement partners and defense operations is the only way we are going to actually counterman the CCP threat that is dominating the Indo-PACOM region.
	That's as concerns arose earlier this year over the Cook Islands deepening ties with China.
	Their prime minister went to China in February and signed a trade and seabed mining agreement with the CCP.
	You know, it's funny you mentioned that because I had a clip for the last show from Australia where they talked about the FBI opening this office in New Zealand.
	And the only reason they didn't mention the Cook Islands, the only reason I clipped it was, why is the FBI operating outside America?
	Which brings us to the, besides the second part of this clip, which brings us to this TV show, which is to soften us up for this idea because they had the show.
	They had these, you know, Dick Wolf did these FBI shows.
	First, it was FBI, then they rolled out FBI Most Wanted, and then they rolled out FBI International.
	And FBI International makes it sound like the FBI is an international police force.
	Most of the stories are taking place in Europe with an FBI office in Europe.
	And it's just like in any FBI story in like a New York FBI story, like the regular FBI series, where they're superseding the local cops in Europe.
	Every time I watch that show, I just shake my head thinking, what is this?
	What's going on here with this FBI and this internationalization of the operation?
	Who are we kidding?
	We are the world's policemen.
	I guess we have to just admit it to ourselves.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, part two of this will be done and done with it.
	But New Zealand's leaders were unhappy that they weren't informed about this as the two countries share constitutional ties.
	And in June, New Zealand suspended $11 million to the Cook Islands in development funding.
	China has been working to tie itself to several island nations for rare earth minerals.
	China supplies about 90% of the world's rare earths and also dominates in producing many critical minerals.
	Analysts say that if China were to ban exports of these minerals to the U.S., the consequences could be economically catastrophic.
	So a total export ban would be devastating to the U.S. economy.
	We would need to rely on domestic sources if we can get them online and to turn to allies as much as possible.
	So right now, the U.S. is looking into alternatives like its trading partners in the Indo-Pacific, Japan, Australia, and also mining here at home.
	We have vast mineral resources here.
	A lot of people do not understand how much we actually have.
	Last month, for instance, the Pentagon agreed to invest $400 million in a stake in MP materials, America's largest rare earth mine.
	How do we get so far behind the eight ball on this deal?
	What do you mean?
	Well, the rare earths, which are used mostly for the most important part of them, are for magnets.
	Yeah.
	For super strong little bitty magnets, or you can't have little stepper motors without little bitty magnets.
	You can't have little bitty magnets without these rare earths.
	How did we get so far behind on letting the Chinese just take over the entire business when it's so important?
	Thanks, Obama.
	Thanks.
	It goes back to Clinton, to be honest.
	You know, I was talking to my buddy Robert.
	Robert works here in Fredericksburg, and he's a CNC operator, and he makes very, very tiny parts.
	I think a lot of it's military.
	I mean, he showed me a part.
	It was like a, you know, it wouldn't even fit on your thumbnail.
	It was so small.
	Complete precision.
	And I said, how are the tariffs doing?
	And he said, you know, it's really a problem because our cost has gone up about 50% over, you know, the stuff we're importing from China.
	He says, so that is a problem.
	He says, however, American metals, so he wasn't talking about minerals per se, but American metals are far superior to the stuff from China.
	And he said, everybody knows that the hidden secret is that no matter what you order from China, you can throw 40% away.
	He said, it's just wrong.
	It's broken.
	It's defective.
	It's junk.
	So it's really only about 10%, 10% difference there, switching to American stuff.
	He said, but American companies are getting more efficient and the cost is going to come down.
	And he thinks that this is going to turn out pretty good.
	And I think the same holds true for minerals and for the production of minerals.
	And that company that was mentioned in there, one of our producers sent me a note, said, you know, I heard you guys talking.
	What's the name of the company?
	I think it's MP.
	MP something.
	Hold on.
	We have vast mineral resources here.
	A lot of people do not understand how much we actually have.
	Last month, for instance, the Pentagon agreed to invest $400 million in a stake in MP Materials, America's largest rare earth mines.
	So we had mentioned this, and one of our producers sent me a note and said, oh, the minute I heard you guys talking about it, I bought stock and it dropped 10%.
	He said, but I'm holding on.
	I'm holding on.
	I think it's going to be a good idea.
	Go to the moon.
	He said, I think it may be a good idea.
	We don't have to do it.
	I mean, it's not bad.
	Investing in mining is not necessarily a bad thing.
	Well, just we can probably talk about there is some tariff stuff.
	Very fun, slanted report, of course, from France 24.
	From Liberation Day to Collection Day, as U.S. customs officials finally begin enforcing Donald Trump's tariffs.
	On April 2nd, the president announced new import duties on virtually all U.S. trading partners worldwide, calling them reciprocal for policies that have left America with large trade deficits and gutted its manufacturing base.
	Since then, a number of them have inked preliminary frameworks.
	Most UK goods now getting a 10% rate.
	U.S. allies like the EU, Japan, and South Korea reluctantly accepting deals for around 15%, lower than Trump's initial threats, but still a major increase from their previous positions.
	Some other countries, though, have seen their positions worsen since April.
	India is now facing 50% tariffs over its purchases of Russian oil.
	Brazil facing the same rate as Trump accuses it of persecuting his ally, far-right former president Jair Bolsonaro.
	Dozens of other countries have not managed to reach a new deal.
	Overall, the average U.S. tariff rate is going from 2% last year up to 15%.
	Meanwhile, Trump has either threatened or already imposed significant sector-specific duties on industries like automobiles, metals, pharmaceuticals, and microprocessors.
	Those tariffs have already raised significant revenues.
	By the end of July, the U.S. had collected over $150 billion in customs duties, nearly double the amount from the same period last year.
	Though they target foreign goods, tariffs are a tax paid by importers.
	U.S. businesses and consumers are thus now bracing for higher prices amid a rapid reordering of the global trade system.
	This is the continuous narrative of people against the tariffs.
	What is your opinion on that?
	That, oh, we're going to get inflation, the prices are going to rise.
	All I hear is producers saying, well, we're just eating that cost because we really can't charge more.
	I think that's the general opinion from the pro-tariff people that that's what's going to happen mostly.
	And especially from the China side, China's markup is even though there's all this cheap stuff from China.
	I've had more than a few producers from China right.
	And you have no idea.
	He says the stuff they're selling that looks cheap at two bucks, they could drop it to a buck and still be cheap for them, sort of thing.
	And so the Chinese can eat a lot of the profits.
	They're just making money hand over fist with their overproduction.
	I see.
	You're shooting yourself in the foot here.
	Why?
	Because you should say, yeah, it's because of the tariffs that we can't do the microphone company.
	Yeah, okay.
	So I walked right into that.
	You probably said that was a setup.
	That was a nice try.
	I was thinking about it for weeks, for weeks, for weeks.
	Yeah, you've been sitting on that.
	People don't realize that you actually sit around and rehearse in a mirror.
	I do.
	How can I get him now?
	I'll get him this time.
	Yeah, that's basically it.
	That's your life.
	Now, there is good news.
	Trump checks incoming.
	Well, remember those stimulus checks from a few years back, the federal government depositing a few hundred bucks in your bank account during COVID-19?
	Well, a similar idea has been introduced in Congress, not because of a global health emergency, but because of the record amount of revenue being brought in through tariffs.
	Republican Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri has officially introduced this piece of legislation entitled American Worker Rebate Act of 2025.
	It's based on the belief that the federal government is bringing in a record amount of tariff revenue.
	And as a result, the American people deserve a cut.
	In June, for instance, the federal government reported a new tariff revenue record of over $26 billion.
	That has quadrupled the amount from the same month last year.
	Even more tariff revenue appears to be on the way.
	President Donald Trump announcing new tariff rates for European countries in recent days.
	Here is how the proposed tariff rebate plan could possibly work.
	According to Senator Hawley's legislation, $600 per adult and child would be deposited by the Treasury Department into Americans' bank accounts, individuals making under $75,000 a year.
	And couples who file their taxes jointly and make under $150,000 would qualify.
	Those earning more would receive a reduced payout.
	The amount could even increase depending on if tariff revenue booms even more.
	I make a prediction.
	Here's my prediction.
	These checks will come as checks.
	They will have President Trump's smiling face on it.
	They will have his signature and it will be just about around the midterms.
	That's what you do.
	That's what you do.
	It's called bribing the public.
	It's a great way to do it.
	Everyone will be happy.
	And who's going to complain about it?
	So are the Democrats.
	They're going to hide.
	They're going to run away and hide.
	They're going to say, hey, this is a bribe.
	Yes.
	No, Trump, I think when he did it the first time, because he put his signature on these checks.
	And there was something about it.
	It was like, just like Scott Besson, which I'm convinced only wants to remain as the Treasury Secretary because his signature is on every bill.
	Yes.
	So every bill that's printed has got his signature on it, which is kind of cool if you think about it.
	Very cool.
	And so why would you want to do anything but that job?
	You need to have your signature on every dollar bill.
	Because, you know, it's not really money.
	It belongs to the Treasury.
	And it's got your signature on it.
	So Trump, as a promoter, sees this as an opportunity.
	I agree 100%.
	I don't think his picture.
	I didn't think about the picture, but now that you mention it, instead of a seal, Trump's picture.
	That's not a bad idea.
	I'm sure they'll be mulling that over.
	And not to fall short over there in the European Union, unfortunately, I looked for a long time to get this full clip.
	I could not find the clip with the question that Christine Fifi Lagarde answered.
	And the question was about the digital Euro.
	And I won't tell you what the question was because she answers that at the very end of this rather short clip.
	It's annoying because I really want to have the full series.
	It's from Euro debates, but they chopped it up.
	They didn't have her full speech and QA.
	Now, the digital euro is going to be a 100% bona fide certified central bank digital currency.
	Yeah.
	Which is a very, very poor idea for the people of the European Union.
	And so I think the question was rather hostile.
	And here's her answer.
	You know, I have a pretty simple understanding of what the digital euro is.
	And for me, this is the digital expression of cash.
	Right?
	I mean, we all have cash.
	Well, most of you, I suppose.
	I do.
	I like cash, whether it takes the form of coins or banknotes.
	This is cash, and this is central bank money, if you will.
	It's sovereign money.
	There's a big difference between sovereign and central bank money.
	But okay, Fifi, I really don't understand much about the digital Euro.
	Yeah, you do.
	But as technologies evolve over the course of time, and as the preference for payment evolves as a result, we need to respond to the demand of our European compatriots.
	And I see digital Euro as the digital expression of cash.
	It's like digital cash.
	You can argue at the margin that in terms of absolute privacy, we're not exactly on the same page.
	Oh, you could argue in the margin, in the margin, that it's not quite the same privacy you have as cash.
	No, it's not the margin that is the main point of it.
	You can argue at the margin that in terms of absolute privacy, we're not exactly on the same page.
	You could argue that the cost of cash is higher than blah blah.
	Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	That's what it is.
	So to argue that digital cash is a nuclear bomb, I think that's a little bit over the top.
	We're not holding nuclear bombs in our pockets, as far as I know.
	That gets the guys that CBDC is a nuclear bomb.
	You're going to just trap everybody in it.
	That's exactly right.
	That's exactly what's happening.
	Get out while you can, Europe.
	Don't be like John in California, stuck there until the cycle's over.
	He won't survive it.
	The cycle.
	Yeah.
	Okay, then some movement on the Russia-Ukraine front.
	After weeks of worsening relations, Donald Trump now says a face-to-face meeting with Vladimir Putin is on the cards in the near future.
	We had some very good talks with President Putin today, and there's a very good chance that we could be ending the round, ending the end of that road.
	That road was long and continues to be long, but there's a good chance that there will be a meeting very soon.
	While the U.S. President declined to give an exact date, the New York Times reported it could be as early as next week.
	Trump then wants a three-way summit with President Putin and Ukraine's President Zelensky.
	If the talks do go ahead, it would be the first time American and Russian leaders meet face-to-face since the 2021 Geneva summit.
	The announcement comes hours after the U.S.'s special envoy Steve Witkoff met with Putin in Moscow.
	The Kremlin called these talks productive.
	Russia has until Friday to agree to a ceasefire or face further sanctions.
	Trump discussed Witkoff's visit with Zelensky and European allies in a phone call, which was welcomed by the Ukrainian leader.
	We discussed what was said in Moscow.
	It seems that Russia is now more inclined to agree to a ceasefire.
	The pressure on them is working.
	But the main thing is that they do not deceive us or the U.S. in the details.
	Despite the optimism, the White House says it will still impose secondary tariffs on countries that buy Russian oil.
	That could see goods from any country face 100% tax when imported to the U.S. playmates if there's any different information in it.
	Okay, Witkoff.
	A motorcade believed to be carrying U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff left the Kremlin on Wednesday.
	President Trump says Witkoff had a highly productive meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
	Trump added that great progress was made.
	Afterwards, I updated some of our European allies.
	Everyone agrees this war must come to a close.
	Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky was on the call with Trump and European allies as well on Wednesday.
	According to Zelensky, Putin is more open to peace talks after Wednesday's meeting with Witkov.
	We discussed what was said in Moscow.
	It appears that Russia is now more inclined to consider a ceasefire.
	The pressure on them is working.
	Russia's foreign policy advisor says the meeting lasted three hours.
	When it comes to its topics, first of all, it was the Ukraine crisis.
	And the second topic was possible development of strategic cooperation between the U.S. and Russia.
	Trump is now open to meet with Putin to discuss possible peace solutions.
	White House press secretary Caroline Levitt tells NTD's sister media, The Epoch Times, that the Russians expressed their desire to meet with President Trump.
	And the president is open to meeting with both President Putin and President Zelensky.
	President Trump wants this brutal war to end.
	The developments come just two days before a deadline for Russia to strike a peace deal with Ukraine.
	Trump says he'll increase economic pressure on Moscow if no deal is reached by Friday.
	You know, I think you're right about stablecoin in Russia.
	And that's got to be a part of it.
	Listen, Vlad.
	All right.
	Armistice.
	Okay.
	We'll do armistice.
	We'll have a deal.
	I think the armistice thing is a good idea, too.
	Armistice, demilitarized zone, and we'll get you your stablecoin.
	And then we can do deals without those annoying Brussels people with Swift.
	It's easy.
	And that's exactly what we want.
	I think the Russians want that too.
	They're good traders.
	I mean, they don't compete with us really in the terms of giant market, but everybody likes trading with us.
	There's a lot of opportunities here.
	We're good traders.
	Pfff.
	Yeah.
	We are.
	So let's do some, let's do some deals.
	Let's do a deal, man.
	Let's do some deals.
	Yeah, let's do some deals already.
	And the Russians, you know, they're running out of champagne.
	You know, these guys.
	But they need champagne.
	No, you've been around these Russians.
	And, you know, in Europe, you see a bunch of these Russian oligarchs that are popping shampoo, the most expensive crap you can imagine, then just opening it up and dumping it on women's heads.
	Oh, it's unbelievable.
	Yeah, in the club.
	Yeah, they're just crazy.
	Yeah, they are.
	They are.
	Although we appear to be auctioning off one of those oligarchs' yachts, like a $325 million yacht.
	Russian is stealing property.
	We have to stop doing this.
	That's why this has got to end.
	That's very bad.
	You know, there was like this, all of a sudden, there was this huge breaking story.
	Alex Jones was flipping out over it that Trump is going to deny disaster aid to any state that boycotts Israel.
	And man, people went crazy.
	And I looked into it, and what it was is there was some DHS document.
	And I wouldn't put it past Christy Noam to have put this in herself.
	And it did indeed have language like, oh, if you have a state that boycotts, you know, BDS, that boycotts Israel, then, and of course, we know that, you know, Mossad has Epstein tapes on Trump.
	So obviously he would have to do that.
	And what did he do?
	He said, no, we're not doing that nonsense.
	We put American states first.
	So it died off real quick.
	I thought it was rather interesting how you don't hear people say, oh, Trump just went against the Mossad.
	I got a couple of clips on the data centers.
	Ah, okay.
	Because this actually should have brought this in during the AI discussion.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.
	But I'm looking at these two clips, and I can't figure out which is which, but let's start with data centers, VA, Virginia.
	The rise of data centers is becoming one of the hottest issues on the campaign trail this year in the election for the Virginia House of Delegates.
	Virginia Public Radio's Michael Pope has details.
	There's one issue that former delegate Elizabeth Guzman hears about all the time in her campaign for a battlefield House seat in Prince William County.
	Data centers.
	They are telling me, okay, great, data centers are here, but I don't see what is in it for me.
	I don't see those incentives reflected on my property tax deal.
	The Republican incumbent she's trying to unseat is delegate Ian Lovejoy.
	In the last session of the General Assembly, he introduced an unsuccessful bill that would have prohibited local governments from allowing data centers within a quarter mile of parks, schools, or residences.
	When local governments get it wrong so often and so consistently, there is a role for the state government to step in and say that you're being out of line his bill did not get out of subcommittee but the general assembly did pass a separate bill that would have required local governments to do a site assessment of water use and potential noise output of any proposed data center republican governor glenn yunkin vetoed it michael pove water
	At the very end, that guy, and that's what I have as a second clip.
	You have to listen to the way this guy ended this thing.
	He did the meme.
	What was that?
	Psy?
	What's the name of your aunt?
	Aunt Gigi.
	Aunt Gigi does an Aunt Gigi thing at the end.
	I have the very short version of it right here.
	This is the very end of that clip.
	Michael Pope.
	Okay.
	Not quite the same.
	What kind of reporting is this?
	This is NPR.
	Wow.
	You got a guy moaning and groaning on there.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	I think we should.
	Okay.
	I got a shorty here, a real shorty, because this was, I'm like, wow, we're spending money on this?
	Could be another giant leap for mankind, and then some.
	Acting NASA Administrator Sean Duffy is set to fast-track efforts to put a nuclear reactor on the moon.
	2030.
	Documents obtained by Politico and confirmed by ABC News detail the plan.
	Duffy calls it the second space race, citing similar plans by China and Russia.
	The concern is those countries could potentially block others from exploration if their reactor reaches the lunar surface first.
	A reactor would be an essential source of power during long-term human stays on the moon, which is steeped in cold darkness for 14 days at a time.
	Oh, brother.
	Are we really spending money on that?
	I don't know why that news story even came up.
	Well, then, to round out my clips for today, we know that there's a very exciting race in New York City for mayor of New York.
	Ah, yes.
	With Mamdani.
	Do we even know the Republican's name?
	That's Sliwa.
	Oh, Curtis Sliwa.
	Oh, Curtis Sliwa.
	Well, he's not doing a good job of promoting himself.
	But we do have another candidate.
	We've discussed him before.
	He is a show favorite.
	The one and only Reverend Manning.
	Ah, yes.
	You've been saving this clip.
	Well, no, it's a new one.
	You know, he's now campaigning.
	And he has a very interesting campaign promise.
	He will remove horse hair from hospitals and restaurants.
	I would enact legislation that you can't have braids if you work in a hospital.
	You're standing there trying to give the patient an IV and your hair is dropping in their mouth.
	They can't breathe.
	They're either.
	They're chewing on your hair.
	Don't know what happened to them.
	You can't have braids and false hair, horse hair in the hospital.
	Horse hair don't belong in the hospital.
	Horse hair don't belong in the restaurants.
	Horse hair don't belong in the schools.
	Horse hair don't belong in the horse.
	Horse hair belong on the horse's ass.
	Don't belong on your head.
	Horse hair don't belong in the hospital.
	I have it.
	I do have a tip of the day.
	My eye.
	Oh, do you?
	Yeah, I had one last show.
	And so luckily I still have that.
	So I'll bring out my tip of the day.
	That's good news.
	Tip of the day.
	Yep.
	Tip of the day.
	Boy.
	Saved by the bell.
	Oh, you forgot.
	Well, I forgot, but I have it because I saved it in my exquisite system.
	So I didn't know you even have a tip of the day.
	one for last show yeah i did i i had one and oh that's why you promised to do one yeah since i knew that i would forget but i would have one so it worked out okay also uh some vaccine related end of show clips, which are just as good when they were created many years ago.
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	Well, that last donation, or one of the last donations, is literally the only birthday we have today.
	Courtney Thomas, Ian, and Samuel all wish Steve Kotick a happy 65th birthday.
	He is celebrating tomorrow, so we join in by saying happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe.
	Title changes.
	Turn and face a slave.
	We do have one title change, as you heard earlier.
	Sir Pursuit of Peace and Tranquility has upped his peerage with another combined $1,000 of support to the show.
	We really appreciate it.
	So he will henceforth be known as Sir Pursuit of Peace and Tranquility.
	Tranquality.
	Tranquility, the Duke of the Lands of Red Clay and the Cherry Trees.
	Yes, there is a new Duke.
	That is wonderful to see.
	Congratulations, brother.
	Thank you so much.
	Two PhDs today.
	These came in just under the wire.
	Jake Warburton and Chris Mobbs.
	Both of you go to noagendarings.com.
	That is where you will find a special tab for your PhD.
	Let us know exactly what you want on your beautiful certificate, and we'll get that off to you as soon as possible.
	So also an address will be helpful.
	We have three nights, including a layaway night.
	Yes, it does work.
	People just donate little bits and pieces.
	You keep your own accounting.
	And before you know it, you get an official night ring, a knighting, and you get to join us here at the roundtable.
	And David Cox says, gentlemen, by my account, and the donation this month takes me to knighthood.
	I was hit in the mouth back in 2020 during the pandemic by Mark Calley.
	What started out as a bitching session to a random guy on the next barstool ended up being an intro to the best podcast in the universe.
	I've been listening ever since.
	My smoking hot wife and I like to spend time.
	By the way, thank you, Mark Calley.
	Good mouth hit.
	My smoking hot wife and I like to spend time outdoors.
	So make my night name Sir Dave of the Half Fast Hikers.
	And he would like chicken wings and Irish red ale at the roundtable.
	No jingles, no karma.
	Thank you for your attention to this matter.
	And thank you very much, David Cox.
	Get ready as we pull out our blades tonight.
	You and other gentlemen, there you go.
	David Cox, Jake Warburton, Chris Mobbs, all of you now official knights of the No Agenda Roundtable.
	I am very proud to pronounce the KB as Sir Dave of the Half Fast Hikers, Sir Less Than Jake, Knight of the Exmos and Grouse Creek.
	And Sir Chris Mobbs for you.
	Gentlemen, by request, Utah Dirty Soda and Elk Steak.
	We have chicken wings and Irish red ale, but that's not all.
	We've got beer and blunts.
	We've got Rubiness Women and Rose Gaces and Sake, Baka Vanilla, Bong Hits and Bourbon, Sparkling Cider and Escorts, Ginger Edding Gerbils, Breast Milk and Pablo.
	What's the best?
	And as always at the round table, the fan favorite, we got mutton and we got me.
	The three of you go to noagendarings.com.
	That's where you'll see anybody can take a look at them.
	These very, very handsome No Agenda rings for knights and for dames.
	They are signet rings, which means you can press them into something, leave a lasting impression, someone's cheek, or maybe just the wax that we send along with it, a couple sticks so you can seal your important correspondence.
	And as always, we include a certificate of authenticity.
	Thank you very much for becoming knights of the No Agenda Roundtable.
	No Agenda Meetups!
	It's not your party!
	you Well, we all know connection is protection, but did you know that you need a community of immunity?
	Yes, it's a new phrase we're trying to hijack.
	So you do that and you get that along with really people who will be the first responders in any emergency for you at a No Agenda meetup.
	You can find them at noagendametups.com.
	We don't have any meetup reports for this week as we're kind of winding down some of the summer.
	I expect it to pick up a bit.
	But we do have a beer in the sun meetup happening tomorrow at 5.30.
	That's in Victoria, British Columbia at the Lighthouse Brewery.
	And on Saturday, the Treasure Valley Boise meet up at 3 o'clock at the Old State Saloon in Eagle, Idaho.
	There's quite a number of...
	I am drinking Adobe Mountain Sparkling Water.
	Lovely.
	Sparkly mineral water.
	I'm sure it has natural flavors.
	No flavors.
	It's just plain.
	Okay, well.
	Plenty of meetups on the list for August, all the way into September and beyond, including, remember, we got a big October 11th meetup happening in Fredericksburg, Texas.
	Plan accordingly because hotel rooms are sparse and you'll need to, well, you can stay at the full moon bed and breakfast at J6 or Jenny's place if you get in on time.
	And I'm looking forward to seeing everybody there.
	So go take a look at those.
	Noagendametups.com.
	It's where you can find a meetup near you.
	There's a great calendar system.
	You can submit your own meetups because if you can't find one, it's easy to start one yourself.
	Go ahead.
	Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days.
	You to be where you want me.
	Triggered on hell aim.
	You to be where everybody feels the same.
	It's like a party.
	I'm thinking you misclipped your ISO because it's 15 seconds long.
	Oh, I must have misclipped it.
	Is it the very end?
	Let me see.
	I don't know.
	I'll see.
	Show is over.
	Stay safe.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Let me see what I thought.
	What was the whole thing?
	Another winner is in the can.
	Another winner is in the can.
	Oh, this is you doing your AI, huh?
	Another winner is in the can.
	You're trying to.
	Oh, let me try it.
	Let me regenerate.
	Maybe it'll be better.
	Another winner is in the can.
	Oh, no, that's no good.
	Let me try it again.
	Shows is over.
	Shows is over.
	That sucks.
	The AI is getting worse.
	Another winner is in the can.
	No, bland.
	Now is over.
	Stay safe.
	Nah, no good.
	I'll try this one.
	Show is over.
	Stay safe.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	That's great, John.
	Good work.
	In fact, my ISO pertains to it.
	Good job.
	Keep it up.
	Good job.
	It's the same thing, Mike, but to stay safe is funnier.
	Good job.
	Keep it up.
	I have more, though.
	So what did you say that's totally bogus?
	We have some kid abuse.
	Always like using a kid.
	It's too long, but I did want to play this from Gus.
	Please donate to my uncle's podcast because they have no money to feed their dogs.
	Just thought it was cute.
	There's this one.
	That is cute.
	This, this one.
	Here we go.
	Two windbags, one podcast.
	And then Senator Kennedy.
	Pointless, organized, grabass.
	So.
	Wow.
	I know.
	it's kind of bad.
	You want to, Keep it up.
	I like that one.
	But yours is.
	Okay, you can use that.
	That's okay.
	It's acceptable.
	It's acceptable.
	I'm acceptable.
	I love it.
	Hey, everybody.
	It's time for my tip of the day.
	Green bass for you and me.
	Just the cheese with JCD.
	And sometimes Adam.
	Okay, I came across what I think is absolutely the best tip of the day in case of an emergency for when the grid goes down, when the EMP hits and you can't go anywhere.
	This is a case of 12 MREs.
	These are military, genuine, ready-to-eat meals.
	And they come with water-activated flameless heating.
	So it is not just some cold slop and you can store them in just regular in your home.
	You don't have to refrigerate them or anything.
	This is from King Surplus.
	It is the 7.5 MRE case 12-pack U.S. military genuine ready-to-eat meals.
	You can get variety A or variety B. I have tried them myself.
	They are actually delicious.
	What does one of these meals cost?
	Well, it costs you $38.95 for the 12-pack because they're tasty.
	So it's not cheap.
	But I find them to be okay.
	So you have that for dinner?
	I did.
	I tried that and I tried Farmer's Dog.
	It was a toss-up between the two.
	Farmer's Dog.
	Yeah, Phoebe's on Farmer's Dog.
	I always try what my dog eats, which is actually maybe even a better tip of the day.
	If you get Farmer's Dog for your dog, you have your MREs ready to go.
	You just have, you know, the dog will starve, but okay, at least I won't.
	The beef, the beef recipe from Farmer's Dog is actually quite tasty.
	Okay.
	All right, there it is, everybody.
	John's tip of the day brought to you by Sometimes Adam.
	Great bass for you and me.
	Just the tip with JCD.
	And sometimes Adam.
	Created by Danny Bird Eddie.
	Okay, I admit it's hard to do a tip of the day.
	It's not an easy thing to do.
	It's hard to make it entertaining and interesting.
	I'll be back.
	Do you have an extra one of those meals?
	Yeah, I have 11 left.
	Why don't you send one to me?
	I want to see it if it's delicious.
	Well, after you send it.
	This would be the encouragement.
	I'll send you the hard disc that we need for the recent backup.
	Oh, yeah, okay.
	And then when you send me the hard disc back, put the meal in there.
	All right.
	There you go.
	That's incentive for you and for me.
	Yeah.
	Like it's ever win-win.
	Like it's ever going to happen.
	I have to send you the hard disc or I won't get because you already said you stopped giving me free discs.
	That's right.
	Yes, because they're not just discs, they're actual drives.
	It's a big deal.
	You're sending a 10-terabyte drive with 100 megabytes of material.
	Millennial Media Offensive is next on the No Agenda stream.
	If you're listening live, we got end to show mixes from audio ghost Jesse Coy Nelson and Sound Guy Steve coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	Northern Silicon Valley, where I remain, I'm John C. DeVora.
	We'll see you on Sunday.
	Until then, remember us at NoAgendadonations.com.
	Adios Mofos.
	A hooey-hoo-eye and such.
	Are you ready for your vaccine?
	Societal responsibility.
	It'd save us all.
	Listen to me.
	Very frustrating.
	Because I'm a vax man.
	Yeah.
	That's really not the right attitude.
	This little child won't hurt at all.
	You can do it quickly.
	Thankful I don't vex you all.
	You can do it in bulk.
	That's the thing I really want to do.
	Cause I'm a vax man.
	I'm a Vax Man I'm a Vax Man If you drive your car, I'll vex the street.
	If you try to sit, I'll vax your seat.
	If you get too tall, I'll fax the feet.
	If you take too long, I'll fax your feet.
	Facts Man Facts Man Cause I'm the fax man.
	Yeah, I'm the fax man.
	They put together complete nonsense.
	You know, I consider the country as my children.
	Measles.
	Measles.
	Vaccinate.
	Ain't it great?
	You really shouldn't hesitate.
	You did it once and do it twice.
	A second time is just as nice.
	Look out.
	Here comes the needle man.
	Is it safe?
	Listen, dude.
	Don't ask questions or you're a kook.
	Am I safe?
	I'm hurt.
	Not according to the Supreme Court.
	Look out.
	Here comes the needle man.
	Whee!
	Dr. Three Boys strongly encourages expecting mothers to get the flu vaccine.
	Young boy uses outbreaks spreading concern from coast to coast.
	Vaccinate, it's really great.
	Are you currently up to date?
	Better check on the spot, or you'll get by quite a lot.
	Don't worry, we're making lots of fun.
	Even if something's a bit funny, you'll need to vaccinate.
	Put simply, propaganda is the dissemination of ideas intended to convince people to think and act in a particular way and for a particular purpose.
	News CNN reporting shows there's been a sharp decline in vaccination ads on television.
	Hit me with your best shot!
	The COVID-19 vaccines have been proven safe and effective.
	There's a lot of misinformation about the COVID-19 vaccine, so it's critical that you get the facts from sources you can trust.
	The fact is, the vaccines are safe and effective.
	More sickness and death across our nation.
	A campaign of shock and awe has begun.
	It's all of our responsibility to slow the spread of the coronavirus.
	People you know and trust are getting vaccinated.
	The most effective are black women.
	Black women.
	Everyone has to keep everyone else safe.
	The vaccines have all been through and met the necessary safety and quality standards.
	Now that every American over the age of 16 is eligible to get the vaccine, I want to talk about you getting yours.
	Getting a vaccine can protect not only you, but your loved ones.
	The vaccine is safe, safe.
	The COVID vaccines are safe and effective.
	It's effective.
	It's effective.
	It's easy.
	It's free.
	And it cannot change your DNA.
	The next step on the journey is yours.
	Our health is worth a shot.
	I beg the public to take this virus more seriously.
	The ultimate end game of all this is vaccination.
	The best podcast in the universe.
	Adios, mofo.
	Dvorak.org slash N-A phone rings Good job.
	Keep it up.
	Hey, the machine's alive.

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