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	How Israeli is he?
	Adam Curry, John C. Devorah.
	It's Sunday, June 16, 2024.
	This is your award-winning Gilmore Nation media assassination episode 1669.
	This is no agenda.
	Celebrating dads and broadcasting live from 11 feet below sea level from Schiphol Airport in the Netherlands.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where we all want to get rid of the term en suite, I'm John C. Boyd.
	It's Crackpot and Buzzkill!
	I love it.
	There's at least a two second delay.
	It's great.
	The opening was not as tight as you think it was.
	Okay.
	We'll live with it.
	It's called lag.
	Is that what it is?
	Lag.
	Yes.
	Well, here I am, John, 11 feet below sea level at the airport.
	You feel the pressure?
	No, no, and honestly, it was supposed to rain this entire week.
	Today is an absolutely gorgeous day.
	Global warming.
	Surprisingly, yes.
	It's funny, they can't predict the weather very accurately, but yet.
	I know, I know.
	Well, we had the big meetup here.
	Yesterday.
	How'd it go?
	Dude.
	Dude?
	Dude.
	It was... This is one of the best meetups I've ever been to.
	It was, uh... Even better than the carnival that they set up for you in Texas?
	Well, it was up there.
	I mean, they're all up there.
	You know, obviously Indianapolis is good.
	The Bastrov meetup was good.
	There was 115 producers and they had to chop it off at 115 because the fire marshal said we couldn't have more people than 115.
	And it was, it was good.
	I mean, we had no agenda.
	Producers come in early.
	Wouter and Ruth, they organized everything at this place called Café Weltschmerz, which is really like a podcast studio, but then with a whole bar and meeting place connected to it.
	And they brought food.
	There were different kinds of curries.
	There was pulled pork.
	I don't know if you saw it.
	I think I might have sent you a link.
	Was Willow there?
	No, no, no.
	Willow's in Italy.
	I thought it was going to be different curries, you said.
	Oh, boy!
	Did you see the video I took of the amygdala PCR machine one of the producers put together?
	No.
	Oh, you've got to see that.
	Where did you post it?
	I think on Twitter, probably.
	You can look it up real quick.
	It kind of looks like a little mini kiosk.
	It was completely built with a screen and a receipt printer and a hole in the front.
	And it says, you know, put your finger in the hole.
	And then it had multiple versions of it.
	But the screen went by, analyzing your amygdala, spinning up PCR cycles, sending off your vaccine status, this whole thing.
	And then at the end, it says, pull your finger out.
	And then it prints out a little receipt that was your amygdala passport.
	And the whole thing was fantastic.
	It was just one of those creative things that they do over here.
	You haven't looked it up, have you?
	Well, I don't have a Twitter account on this podcasting computer.
	I keep it isolated.
	You need to have a Twitter account on your show rig, dude.
	Why, dude?
	Right, dude.
	They had the roll-up JCD poster.
	They had a whole sound system and Frank, a.k.a.
	Mike, I think, he was spinning tunes.
	Everyone was dancing.
	We had the No Agenda jingle bingo, which I'd never witnessed before.
	But they hand out cards with all the different... And there were jingles that I'd forgotten.
	Completely forgotten.
	And, you know, they had prizes, which included stuff like boxes of mac and cheese and screaming goats.
	I mean, it was very thoughtful.
	Um, and I would say the main thing, and you know, I'll be thanking some people later because everyone heard what you said when they gave a donation, they put it in an envelope with a note, came up personally.
	I think I'm pretty sure I met everybody, spoke with everybody.
	I was there from, I don't know, four until 11.
	It was, it was a long, long day, especially since I'd just flown in, uh, from, uh, from Texas.
	Um, But the camaraderie of these people, you know, we have no idea how bad it was here during the COVID lockdowns.
	Remember, they had curfews and all kinds of weird stuff.
	You couldn't go anywhere without a QR code that showed you had, you know, you were vaccinated.
	And this is a tight group.
	It's almost, it's kind of like they went through some traumatic World War event together.
	You laugh, but in a way it's sad.
	It must have been really, really bad.
	And of course they had a raffle, and we'll be thanking that executive producer later on.
	I would say that there's a lot of people.
	I met Tante Nail, who I'll talk about later, who I guess I'd met 32 years ago for the first time when she was 13 at some showbiz event I was doing.
	But the cool guys who I had not met before was Codemonkey Tim, who does our website and also did the noagenda.stream, and Oystein Berge, You know him from the donation segment.
	I know him from pronouncing his name wrong nine out of ten times.
	So imagine like a Viking who is nine feet tall, has the whole beard and, you know, like the red beard and the mustache and everything, but he's thin.
	He's really thin and he's kind of... Oh, he's an alien.
	Yeah, and his dancing was more like body slam, kind of mosh pit style.
	He's a funny guy.
	Anyway, I'll talk about some of the other producers who were there because a lot of people donated and it was really, it was a great time.
	Thank you.
	Thank you to the very tight No Agenda community here in the Netherlands.
	People came from North, from South.
	Some even came from other countries just to be here.
	It was great.
	It was groovy.
	And so I really haven't left the airport.
	I do have a quick travel report if you're interested.
	I think everybody's interested in the travel report if it's interesting.
	Well, it's short.
	It's more because of just how smooth it was.
	I was a bit concerned.
	I was flying on United Airlines.
	It was the cheapest.
	For me to get from San Antonio to Amsterdam for some reason the price if you want to go from if you want a direct flight you have to go from Austin.
	It's three times as expensive and only on Delta or KLM.
	I was like okay and I looked at San Antonio so I flew from San Antonio to Houston and from Houston to Amsterdam.
	This is the airline that has a CEO as a dude and address.
	Uh, it was on a Boeing, Boeing 777.
	So, you know, I don't know who was, you know, it's only two engines.
	Who knows what's going to happen.
	I have to say everything was fantastic.
	The connection was smooth.
	It was, I had to walk about 15 minutes when I got to Houston.
	Almost walked right straight into boarding.
	The cabin personnel were cheery and happy and bright.
	Uh, just, uh, excited to see me.
	Did they dance?
	One of the guys could have, I think, but he didn't.
	I really expected it to be bad, just based on our own reporting.
	Like, what's going on with this airline?
	It was great!
	It really was good.
	Well, that's good to know.
	Yeah.
	United is the main carrier out of San Francisco.
	Yeah.
	And then, of course, you hit the report over the weekend was that the it looks like the Chinese have been selling a fake titanium.
	Yeah.
	I have a clip.
	I don't know if you have one.
	Please.
	Yes.
	Play.
	Hold on a second.
	Here we go.
	Yes, I got that one.
	Even more turbulence for Boeing.
	The commercial airline maker, along with Airbus, are staring down allegations that they may have used counterfeit titanium in their aircraft.
	That's according to evidence from a supplier that has now triggered a Federal Aviation Administration investigation.
	Spirit Aerosystem alleges that the two aviation giants used titanium in their planes that came with paperwork that may have been falsified.
	Today's news adds to the growing trouble for Boeing, which has been the subject of ongoing federal investigations for many safety problems.
	There you go.
	They left out the main part of the story.
	Well, I'm glad you're here to tell us.
	The fake titanium came from China.
	Of course.
	And they're the ones who phonied up the paperwork.
	Heaven forbid we'd mention that.
	And the titanium we used to always get in for aircraft, generally speaking, was from Russia, which we've boycotted.
	We can't take their stuff anymore.
	So let's take the fake stuff from China.
	Seems to be more the story to me.
	Yeah.
	No, that's not what I, that's all I had.
	Was that part of the story?
	They did not mention that.
	And that was, uh, sounded like NBC.
	No, no, ABC.
	The news over here is pretty much really only two things.
	Football.
	Sportsball.
	Because the UEFA Cup is on.
	I don't know if anyone here is listening to the show because Haaland was playing earlier.
	I think Slovenia is playing.
	Oh boy.
	I don't want to miss that.
	And then the G7.
	A lot of reporting on the G7.
	The hotel seems to have 8,000 channels of news now, which is kind of different.
	You know, you get France 24 in five languages, including, well, French, obviously.
	But they also seem to do a German version, which I'd never seen before.
	France 24, German version.
	Something's going on.
	It's an invasion.
	And the news was, except for one report, was all pretty much the same.
	This is the BBC.
	At the G7 Summit in Italy, the official agenda was dominated by migration and China's trade policies.
	But there's been much talk about a speech by President Putin that he'd call an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine if certain conditions were met.
	They were that Ukraine would give up four regions in the east, partially occupied by Russia now, and abandon ambitions to join NATO.
	Western leaders dismissed the offer as a demand for Ukraine to capitulate, with Kiev calling the proposals offensive to common sense.
	So that's pretty much... What?
	Yes.
	We got that story too.
	Jake Sullivan came out and said, this is nuts.
	Who would agree to such a crazy thing?
	Let's kill more Ukrainians.
	It's so weird because most of the reports I have U.S.
	stateside, they talk about Zelensky and 10-year deal and money and they just say, you know, Russia wasn't invited.
	Today, here in Italy, the President also meeting with G7 leaders, trying to send a strong message to Russia's President Putin, signing a 10-year security agreement, committing the U.S.
	to help train and equip Ukraine's military.
	We have signed the strongest agreement between Ukraine and the U.S.
	since our independence.
	The G7 leaders today also agreeing to use interest from Russian assets to lend Ukraine 50 billion dollars as the U.S.
	expands sanctions against banks in countries such as China that do business with Russia, though sanctions have so far done little to stop Putin.
	You cannot divide us and we'll be with Ukraine until they prevail in this war.
	President Zelensky says China's President Xi told him by phone that he wouldn't sell weapons to Russia, though President Biden is skeptical.
	China is not supplying weapons, but the ability to produce those weapons and the technology available to do it.
	So it is, in fact, helping Russia.
	So that was kind of the news over here was, although it's not really in the report, it was kind of like, well, you know, if Russia, I mean, China, if you still want to play with the big boys, you know, you don't want to get sanctioned or anything like we did to Vladimir.
	The G7 briefly became the group of 25.
	Italy invited 18 heads of state and international organizations to join the bloc on day two of the Leaders' Summit.
	We will never accept the narrative that wants the West against the rest.
	Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was among the gathering, joining a lengthy three-and-a-half-hour-long session on artificial intelligence, energy and Africa-Mediterranean issues.
	On the sidelines, he held bilateral talks with the leaders of the United Arab Emirates and Brazil.
	For the first time, a pontiff addressed a G7 summit.
	Pope Francis was invited as a special guest speaker, discussing the ethical challenges of artificial intelligence.
	We would condemn humanity to a hopeless future if we took away people's ability to make decisions about themselves and their lives by condemning them to depend on the choices of machines.
	G7 leaders also discussed irregular migration and how to tackle its root causes.
	Illegal migration is now a global emergency.
	More people are moving across borders than at any time in our history.
	We cannot stand by and watch this human tragedy unfold.
	After a packed two-day schedule, the summit has wrapped up with the adoption of the Leaders' Joint Communique.
	It contains some strong language directed at China, with G7 leaders vowing to tackle what they called China's unfair business practices.
	I thought that was a little more interesting than just Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, Russia.
	The Pope was there!
	Yeah, I have a 3x3.
	Oh, uh, hold on a second.
	We had some technical problems, so I'm not on the ball as I should be.
	Well, do you or do you not, John?
	And now it's time for 3x3.
	Experiment 5JCD.
	No one will know after the edit.
	Comparing stories from ABC, CBS and NBC.
	It's been a while.
	It's been a hot minute since we've seen a 3x3.
	Well, let's start with Selina Wang.
	This is all about the Pope.
	Selina Wang on ABC.
	Tonight, President Biden wrapping up the G7 Summit with world leaders, sharing a tender moment with Pope Francis in Italy.
	Later meeting one-on-one with the pontiff, gifting him a decorative tray with an image of the Capitol Rotunda.
	It's not the Vatican, bud.
	The two leaders discussing the urgent need for a ceasefire in Gaza and the war in Ukraine.
	Parting with a handshake, Pope Francis telling the president.
	Francis, the first pontiff ever to address the G7, delivering a warning about artificial intelligence, urging the leaders to put more guardrails in place.
	Guardrails?
	Saying, quote, we would condemn humanity to a future without hope by dooming them to depend on the choices of machines.
	And earlier, a lighter moment at the Vatican.
	Pope Francis meeting with comedians like Chris Rock, Stephen Colbert, and Whoopi Goldberg saying, in the midst of so much gloomy news, you have the power to spread serenity and smiles.
	And with the G7 leaders here are backing the ceasefire deal that President Biden had laid out.
	They say that the number of civilian casualties in Gaza is unacceptable, and they're urging Israel not to launch a full-scale invasion into Rafah.
	So, who put together the guest list for the comedians?
	You're asking the wrong guy.
	Whoopi Goldberg?
	Jimmy Kimmel?
	I mean, Chris Rock?
	Okay.
	How about, you need to ask anybody, like real comedians?
	How about Dave Smith?
	Comedian Dave Smith.
	They should have put him on the list.
	And Joe Rogan, could have put him on the list.
	No, no.
	Wrong party.
	Wrong party, okay.
	Even though Rogan's a Democrat, I'm sure.
	But he hasn't followed the party line to an extreme.
	But Whoopi Goldberg, when's the last time she did stand-up?
	She hasn't done stand-up for 40 years.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I saw, actually saw her do stand-up.
	Really now?
	When she was still doing stand-up, and she wasn't that good.
	All right.
	Who's next?
	She did the kind of stand-up, it was a, I've seen this before, where you kind of make up something and then riff on it, on something you made up, like say for example, hey you know when you get on an airline and and it's funny that all the seats are plaid, it's just the weirdest thing, every seat's plaid, what are these guys, are they a bunch of loggers or what's the deal?
	That's 1980s like Paul Provenza level comedy.
	It's like, well, first of all, there's no plaid seats that I remember.
	And then to riff on something that doesn't exist, which is what her bit was, oh, and she did it with all kinds of observational humor, which was not observational at all.
	It was made up.
	It was lies!
	It was lies!
	They were lies!
	This is classic.
	Onward with NBC!
	Tonight, President Biden wrapping up the G7 Summit in Italy after a private meeting with Pope Francis.
	The President, a devout Catholic, greeted the Pontiff along with other G7 leaders, the Pope urging them to establish guardrails for AI.
	Artificial intelligence is a fascinating tool and also a terrifying one, he says.
	The Pope using his pulpit in non-traditional ways.
	Hosting a gathering of more than a hundred comedians and actors at the Vatican.
	Including Jimmy Fallon, Whoopi Goldberg, and Chris Rock among others.
	Telling them in the midst of so much gloomy news, you have the power to spread peace and smiles.
	Oh no!
	We're lost!
	We gotta count on those guys to send peace and smiles.
	Well, if they said there's a hundred actors and comedians, why did they name the exact same three that ABC named?
	Yeah, where's Clooney?
	Where's Clooney?
	Clooney should have been there.
	If there were actors...
	Where's J-Lo?
	Where's Beyonce?
	I'm not used to this... You're asking questions that I can't answer.
	I'm just... By the way, did you see the video of Biden going up to the Pope and then banging his head against him?
	No, I didn't.
	Did the Pope have to adjust his cap?
	The Pope was like in a wheelchair or something.
	The little thing on the top of his head.
	That little thing.
	It's a Pope hat.
	It's definitely a Pope hat.
	So he banged him in the forehead and then he kept his head against his and started chatting with him.
	It was very bizarre.
	It was on TikTok.
	The news media wouldn't cover anything like that unless you had to go to TikTok.
	Here on Infinite Loop was...
	The D-Day video of Biden wandering off when those parachuters came down.
	The thing that disappointed me, and she kind of showed me her color, is what was Georgia Maloney doing going and saving him?
	She likes him!
	That's weird.
	I'm telling you, I've seen this before.
	Maloney, there's also another video going around with Maloney giving the evil eye, the stink eye, to Macron.
	Yeah, I saw that one.
	But when she runs into Biden, it's like her granddad or something.
	She seems very protective.
	Oh, and then everyone immediately, everyone's in on it.
	So she turns him around.
	Oh, Mr. President, look over here.
	And everyone then immediately, you know, shuffles over to stand behind Biden.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, yeah, we're looking from this vantage point.
	That's right, Mr. President.
	It was pathetic.
	It was pretty bad, yeah.
	Onward with our final clip, which is CBS and Nancy Cordes.
	A meeting of the minds at the G7 Summit, where Pope Francis, who arrived by helicopter this morning, shared his concerns about artificial intelligence.
	The pontiff urged the world leaders gathered here to establish stronger global guardrails for the development of AI and to ban so-called killer robots altogether.
	The autonomous weapon systems can choose their targets using sensors with no human guidance at all.
	We need to ensure proper human control over the choices made by AI programs.
	He warned, human dignity itself depends on it.
	The Pope was an early advocate for ethics in AI.
	An AI-generated deepfake of him in a white puffer coat went viral last year.
	That's just one example of what experts say are the potentially troubling implications for democracy.
	Oh, the Pope in a puffer coat is troubling for democracy.
	Biden issued an executive order last year requiring domestic AI developers to share their safety test results with the US government.
	Human emotions can never truly be replicated by a computer.
	And as if to prove that point, he posted this photo from his meeting yesterday with more than a hundred comics and comedians.
	There you see Stephen Colbert, Chris Rock, Jimmy Fallon.
	He told them that they unite people because laughter is contagious.
	Yeah, he should have said, it is connection is protection.
	That would have been funny, but no.
	I don't want to wander too far from the other topics.
	I just want to switch back to the G7 Ukraine for a moment.
	Before you do that, I want to comment on that clip.
	Sure.
	What kind of safety tests need to be shared, and what is a safety test when it comes to AI?
	Well, the safety test... I'm asking you.
	I'm going to tell you.
	The safety test is that people aren't confused when you use the new What's the new version of the image software that came out?
	When you say woman laying down, it shows these contorted three armed ladies upside down all squashed together?
	Have you seen this?
	No.
	What's the, not Dali, but what's the other, what's the other big image AI?
	Big Journeys 1 is probably the best of the group.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, It's like all, everyone's talking about it.
	The whole thing is a mess.
	Everyone's talking about it.
	Star Wars!
	Everybody's talking about it.
	Everybody's talking about it.
	There's entire reddits of people...
	People posting these images, this whole thing just doesn't work.
	And it's like versions before.
	How is that unsafe?
	That's what I mean.
	There's nothing unsafe.
	It just doesn't work.
	So, oh, it's unsafe.
	It's in the lab.
	The stuff in the lab is what's unsafe.
	Oh, no.
	I'm sorry.
	It's not.
	Mira Murati, since you took us there, the Chief Technology Officer of OpenAI.
	What are the qualifications of someone who is a Chief Technology Officer?
	What are the things you kind of need to know?
	They have to have owned an Apple II.
	There you go.
	So here's her whole career.
	She won a scholarship and attended Pearson United World College of the Pacific in Canada, graduated 2005.
	Then she pursued a dual degree in the United States, Bachelor of Arts in Mathematics from Colby.
	And then she went... James Colby, the CIA guy?
	No.
	And then she, see her first job was, I think it was Tesla.
	So she was in Tesla, and then she goes to OpenAI.
	It's like, um, and I don't know if she's a coder.
	Might be.
	Doesn't sound like it.
	So here's what she said recently about the, you know, all the dangerous stuff that they have in the lab.
	Inside the labs, we have these capable models and, you know, they're not that far ahead from what the public has access to for free.
	Well, hold on a second.
	If it's not that far ahead, then how can it be so much more dangerous?
	I haven't seen anything frightening from what's free!
	And that's a completely different trajectory for bringing technology into the world.
	Is this girl French or what's this accent?
	She's Canadian.
	No, she's Albanian.
	Albania.
	Oh, Albania.
	Albania, yes.
	We've seen historically and it's a great opportunity because it brings people along, it gives them the intuitive sense for the capabilities and risks and allows people to prepare for the advent of this, of bringing advanced AI into the world.
	I think she's actually reading from chat GPT.
	And obviously, the opportunities... Word salad.
	She's saying nothing.
	What is she saying?
	It's opportunity and risk and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	You're actually using words out.
	You're using Tina's favorite word.
	Word salad.
	Exactly.
	It's all word salad.
	Which is, they probably trained the model based on her.
	And obviously, the opportunities are huge.
	Now, it's normal that we talk a lot about the risks, because they're so important.
	But also, we wouldn't do this if we didn't believe that the opportunities here are huge.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	It's nothing.
	So that's what you do as a Chief Technology Officer.
	You use blah.
	All right.
	So now... So she's the CTO?
	Well, CTOs, generally speaking, are people that can code.
	Yeah.
	Or at least know something other than word salads.
	Yeah.
	Now, there's something fishy about this woman.
	No, the whole operation is fishy.
	The whole, oh, you have to sign this NDA forever, and you can never ever talk about how lame it is.
	That's all it is.
	Oh, we'll give you all this money.
	Just don't tell anybody the truth.
	It doesn't work.
	I mean, it works for coding.
	Whatever I say, it doesn't work.
	I get people, I use GitHub Copilot.
	It rocks.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	Give Adam crap.
	He's adam at curry.com.
	That's his address.
	It does.
	I'm sure it works great for, you know, they basically... Actually, you talk to the real coders, and we've gotten notes, and you know it, I know it, we both know it.
	It doesn't work great.
	It just works.
	It works a bit.
	It's useful.
	If you need to fill in the gaps, it'll put some crap code out for you, and it'll actually run the program.
	Here's what's interesting.
	Martin, he's from Denmark, and he's in the Podcasting 2.0 group.
	And he used to be a full-time coder at his day job and now he's management.
	Probably middle manager, but he's management.
	And he says, it's really amazing because when I get RFPs, which is usually a PDF, I just run it into ChatGPT and it fills in the RFP and then he can adjust things later.
	And he says, it's really weird because he's pretty sure the RFPs are also generated by a ChatGPT type AI.
	So, we really have two... So computers!
	Yes!
	We got robots talking to robots!
	Yes!
	Which I think, really, ultimately the savings, we're going to find out the savings is, you can get rid of all middle management.
	You don't need any of that.
	That may be where the savings is, and that may be why people are afraid, because if there's anything, certainly in corporate life, but also academia, middle management is fat.
	We can clean up a lot of that.
	Well, that's actually, that is worth the price of the show.
	Good night, everybody!
	Thanks for coming.
	See you later.
	Back to Russia-Ukraine.
	So I did read a transcript and I actually tried to pull a clip of Putin explaining his peace deal, which is pretty much, hey, let's stop fighting and we'll keep the port and we'll keep Odessa, you know, with the Odessa people.
	They wanted to be with us.
	We did a vote.
	But we want this Donbass region.
	Well that was Crimea that voted.
	Crimea, I'm sorry.
	We want the Donbass region, is in essence what he's saying.
	And why.
	Well, we have a Boots on the Ground.
	Boots on the Ground comes to us from Sparkles of Chaos, who says, I did some research and sent a couple of, I don't know if it's a he or she, sent some pages that I have read on Ukraine mining geology in the war zones.
	I used to work as a geoscientist.
	So I put on my pebble pimp hat and took a look.
	Do we have the best producers in the world or what?
	This is this is part of why the NO Agenda Shows is the best podcast in the universe.
	In the industry for projects, the first place I would look for any international domestic related papers on geology would be the SPE Society of Petroleum Engineers, USGS, or State Geological Survey International.
	I use the SPE, great resource to find papers and information, and below is an executive summary from the last document I found from a 2023 report made for investment opportunities in exploration and production made by the Ukraine Geological Society.
	Well, what are the chances?
	Here's the executive summary.
	To begin the document, list out the critical raw materials such as lithium, titanium, zirconium, nickel, cobalt, chrome, molybdenum.
	What is molybdenum?
	Molybdenum.
	What is molybdenum?
	It's like an amygdala.
	I can't say it.
	Say it again and we'll hear it again.
	Molybdenum.
	Molybdenum.
	Yes.
	No.
	You don't know what it is?
	It's one of the rarest that people use for different alloys.
	It's an alloy product as far as I know.
	Beryllium?
	You got that.
	Nailed it.
	Tantalum?
	Tantalum, yeah.
	Tantalum, niobium, niobium, gold, lead, zinc, graphite, and hydrocarbons.
	And so the document is broken into areas, fields, and licensed blocks with regard to each mineral found in that area with diagrams and short descriptions.
	There's also some offshore, so let me see.
	In the Southern War Zone areas, hello, you can find rare earth minerals, gold, lead, and zinc, which are ores and polymetallic deposits in about seven fields.
	There's also offshore Black Sea shelf hydrocarbon deposits, three licensed areas that contain lithium, tantalum, niobium, rubidium, marcorubidium, cesium, tin, and beryllium.
	Each of these areas have block names, etc.
	This is what it's about.
	Now we understand.
	Whether Putin actually believes that this is a Russian region or not.
	This is the fight.
	This is it.
	They already divvied up the breadbasket to all the multinationals.
	Those are all licensed out.
	The wheat.
	Now it's about the rare earth minerals.
	And there seems to be some gas and some other hydrocarbon goodies in there as well.
	No wonder we're fighting.
	No wonder.
	Yes, I think this is the untold part of the story.
	Oh, democracy!
	Well, for democracy, we're saving Europe.
	We're saving Europe.
	We're saving Europe from the Russians getting a hold of the Tantalum and whatever else they need.
	And the Russians are unlike the Chinese.
	I always like to point this story out, which is that when the Chinese stole the silkworms, this is, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years ago when Japan had a monopoly on silk in the world.
	And because they had domesticated silkworms and they were making silk and the Chinese wanted to make silk so they somehow conflicated through industrial espionage.
	They stole some silkworms and started breeding them and they started making silk.
	And to the point where they were making so much silk that they overwhelmed the Japanese market, and they became the monopoly.
	But unlike the Japanese, and I've seen this before, and I don't know how I can express it because it's so inculcated in the Chinese culture of best price, they never turn into gougers.
	Somebody has to show me an example of where they do that.
	They bring it out at a super low price, they get a monopoly, and they never raise the price!
	They don't get it!
	They're doing something wrong.
	But that's not the way the Russians are.
	Well, whatever the case, as you would say, we're definitely bringing democracy and peace to Europe, specifically to Germany.
	NATO defence ministers have agreed that the alliance will take more of a role in coordinating military aid to Ukraine.
	We've noticed this a couple of times.
	When did it become Ukraine?
	All of a sudden it was Ukraine!
	Actually, you've noticed it more than me, because you started to say it.
	It used to be Ukraine!
	And now it's Ukraine!
	Ukraine!
	Ukraine!
	Me-crane?
	Our crane?
	Whose crane is it?
	...aid to Ukraine.
	The decision follows a meeting of the Transatlantic Alliance at NATO headquarters in Brussels.
	Pledges for bilateral assistance will continue to be organized through a U.S.-led group of some 50 countries.
	NATO will now take over some of the logistics for delivering that support and training.
	NATO head, Jens Stoltenberg, says the mission will be headquartered at a U.S. military base in Germany and involve almost 700 staff.
	Thank you.
	These efforts do not make NATO a party to the conflict.
	No!
	But they will enhance our support to Ukraine to uphold its right to self-defense.
	Oh, we're not really doing anything.
	We're just doing it in Germany.
	Oh, man, how stupid are these people?
	Germans, Germans, you've got to stop this.
	This is nuts.
	You do not want that.
	You don't want it all being...
	It's... study some history.
	Asking for trouble.
	Study some history, people.
	Don't do that anymore.
	It's gone.
	We were talking about... Only gender history is all that's talked about.
	Yes, it's... yes, it's gender studies is how it's known.
	We were talking about the $50 billion, this was also a topic of discussion, the $50 billion that we're going to give to Ukraine, which somehow comes from the $300 billion locked up in the Federal Reserve SWIFT system and Euroclear, that is Russian money.
	You know, the theft we've been talking about.
	And you kind of want to know how that worked, if the money was locked up, then how can you Still get interest on it?
	If it's frozen assets, which is the term they keep using, if it's frozen, how is it making money?
	I have an answer!
	Good.
	From Jim Rickards, and he would kind of know.
	This is what's called a structured product.
	The way they, where they're stealing the assets is a structured product.
	If you go back to 2008, you said, hey, you got all these garbage mortgages out there.
	How could you turn them into AAA securities?
	And Wall Street said, hold my beer, I'll show you how to do it.
	And they did, and of course it all collapsed.
	The rating agencies were, here's how it works.
	So let's just take the Russian assets, By the way, first question, $50 billion loan to Ukraine.
	Who's the lender?
	The lender is the United States of America, which is basically you, me, and all the posse and all the viewers.
	The American taxpayers are lending the money.
	So the United States government is the lender of $50 billion to Ukraine.
	What?
	Now, you take the Russian assets, $300 billion.
	The interest should be about 4.5%.
	I say that because they've been frozen for over two years.
	So, when a two-year security matures, the Treasury just sends you the money, and the Treasury is basically stealing that.
	So, they reinvest it.
	They go buy another security.
	So, the interest on that portfolio should be about 4.5%.
	That's an estimate, but I'm sure it's pretty close.
	So, the $300 billion is going to throw off $13.5 billion a year in interest at 4.5%.
	And let's just assume five years.
	It doesn't matter.
	That's a reasonable estimate.
	That's $67.5 billion of interest over five years.
	Now, let's look at the Russian assets.
	Now, let's look at the loan.
	$50 billion loan.
	U.S.
	is the lender, so I'm assuming the same 4.5%.
	That's the rate on approximately five-year U.S.
	Treasury notes.
	The interest on that is $2.25 billion per year.
	Times five years is 11 and a quarter billion and you have to pay back the 50 billion of principal so you're gonna need 61 and a quarter billion dollars at the end of five years to pay back principal and the interest on the loan So okay, we're gonna steal 67 billion approximately from the Russian interest and that's enough to pay for the 61.25 billion on the loan so basically
	the loan is going to be made, it's going to accrue interest, it's going to get repaid, it's going to get repaid from the Russian assets.
	But the Russian assets happen to be six times larger than the loan, at least for now.
	And it will produce enough interest to pay off this loan.
	So the G7, they're going to say, well, we're not stealing the Russian assets.
	We're just taking the interest.
	And then...
	You lost the audience with that one.
	No, I don't think so.
	I think a lot of people got that.
	and separate and we'll use the interest to pay off the loan unless but if Ukraine wins the war no worries we'll just hit hit up Russia for reparation which is delusional but that's the way they think.
	So we're kind of stealing it from us.
	You lost the audience with that one.
	No I don't think so I think a lot of people got that.
	The whole the whole thing is it's crooked.
	It's what?
	It's crooked!
	What?
	Gambling?
	But it's our money!
	I mean... I mean, they're... In essence, they're printing it!
	Right?
	No, actually, it's on the books.
	It's real money.
	Well, yeah, they make it up and put it on the books.
	It's Russian interest, Russian money, and then we're kind of taking and stealing the money and then loaning it to Ukraine, getting money back.
	We're probably making out in the deal.
	Probably.
	What am I thinking?
	We're making out on the deal.
	I don't know if it's you and I, John.
	Someone's making out on the deal.
	Well, we're not making anything on the deal, that's for sure.
	And the guys who are losing their asses are the The Ukrainian soldiers and women and men are all getting killed, chopped up by the machine so somebody can get some beryllium.
	Is that the most important one?
	I kind of like the molybdenum.
	Molybdenum.
	Yeah, that's exactly right.
	That's the one I like.
	The molybdenum is the one I'm going for.
	Yeah.
	Scat.
	Is there any news, because I did get a thing from Turkish radio television, is there any news about the expiration of our deal with Saudi Arabia?
	Is that being discussed anywhere?
	None.
	Zip.
	It just was mentioned and we haven't said anything about it.
	I think it's, I don't believe that the deal is fully in play.
	Well, I think it's a bluff of some sort.
	Well, listen to this.
	Is the reign of the US dollar in global trade under an existential threat?
	This may well be the case because a critical decades-long deal between Saudi Arabia and the US, known as the petrodollar deal, expired on June 8.
	The deal was originally signed on June 8, 1974.
	Through it, the U.S.
	agreed to buy oil from Saudi Arabia in exchange for military aid and equipment, while the Saudis would invest their petrol dollar revenue back into the U.S.
	economy.
	In other words, petrol dollars are U.S.
	dollars in exchange for crude oil exports.
	The expiry of the deal now allows Saudi Arabia to sell its oil in multiple different currencies, such as the Chinese renminbi and yuan, the euro and the British pound, as well as cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin.
	Vital to the U.S.' 's global economic influence, the expiry or the collapse of the deal is expected to impact the U.S.
	dollar value and its dominance in global trade, as experts now also predict that Saudi Arabia is intending to end its association with USD following its entry into BRICS.
	So I kind of understand what they're saying.
	The deal, I guess it was a 50-year deal.
	With Russia and Saudi Arabia now vying to move away from trading in USD, will the global dominance of the dollar, which is still the most dominant currency in the world, be coming to an end?
	So I kind of understand what they're saying.
	The deal, I guess it was a 50-year deal.
	It just ended.
	Yeah, I think they'll redo it.
	They could redo it, but do you see?
	The problem was mentioned very early in that report.
	The problem for Saudi Arabia is the whole thing was contingent on them buying our armaments.
	And they're loaded to the gills with our gear.
	And they can't all of a sudden just stiff us and expect that gear to get repaired ever again.
	Or to have us protect them.
	Yeah, or have us protect him.
	So that's not going to... No, this is an overly dramatized problem that may go away in due course, especially once Biden gets out of office.
	So positive!
	Oh, not only is the deal going to be re-upped, but Biden's not going to win.
	Oh, you're very positive.
	You're the guy.
	I'm not that positive about Biden not winning.
	I know.
	Because I have a series of clips.
	Yes, you know, we've... Robert Epstein was in play During the 2020 election as well.
	Yes, in fact I have all those clips but I should mention that Robert Epstein kind of dropped off the radar.
	Yeah, his wife got killed in a horrible accident.
	His wife got killed.
	Even though he thought he was, you know, targeted.
	And the wife got killed in a miserable car wreck of some sort.
	Same thing happened to Joe Biden's first wife.
	So you don't know what's going on there.
	Robert, keep your eye on Jill.
	That's what you want to do.
	So I have a lot of, they're not that long, a couple of, one of them is.
	But this is Robert Epstein.
	Robert Epstein is a, actually he's pretty well introduced here.
	He's the guy who uses a technique to spy on Google of having, and it's explained in these clips, to have a whole bunch of people, they're not anonymous, they're real people that Google has been tracking.
	And he also says that everyone who's been on Google for 20 years will have 3 million pages of data on them in a database someplace.
	Every person?
	Yeah, everyone.
	If you've been on Google for 20 years, you'll have 3 million pages of documentation of everything you've done.
	Are these A4 size or legal letter?
	Probably A4.
	Because Google, you know, they're cosmopolitan.
	Yes, they are cosmo.
	Let's start with Robert Epstein I. That would be Dr. Robert Epstein, who is the head of the American Institute for Behavioral Research and Technology.
	Who did this interview?
	This came from Epstein.
	Yeah, that's right.
	You don't want to say Epstein.
	You want to say Epstein.
	It's Epstein, yes.
	This came from the Michael Knowles podcast called Pure Talk.
	Well, it's a podcast.
	It's a podcast on YouTube.
	I did send you a link to it so it could be in the show notes.
	It is in the show notes.
	Also the former editor-in-chief of Psychology Today, and holds a PhD from Harvard, but despite that, actually has had a great career, and has aroused the ire of many, many powerful people, including the biggest corporation ever, Google.
	Dr. Epstein, thank you for being here.
	I want to get to so much.
	I actually want to get to some of your other areas of research because you are not just a guy who gives testimony and goes on interviews and talks about big tech.
	You are a very serious person with a very lengthy career and all sorts of credentials and publications.
	I do want to begin, though, with this Google Elections question.
	How bad is it?
	It's much worse than you think.
	So however bad you think it is, it's much worse.
	So I can just give you two numbers and maybe that will summarize it for you.
	Google alone in this year's presidential election, if we don't do some extraordinary things to stop them, which might be impossible.
	Google alone will be able to shift between 6.4 million and 25.5 million votes in the presidential election, generally speaking with no one having the slightest idea That they've been manipulated and, generally speaking, without leaving a paper trail for authorities to trace.
	I think he had similar numbers in the 2020 election.
	I think he had similar type numbers of what Google could shift.
	Yeah, he might have.
	He says it's worse now than it was before.
	Well, why is the question.
	They're Democrats.
	You saw Sergey Brin in tears when Trump lost in 2016.
	No, I know that, but what is the mechanism?
	What are they doing?
	Oh yeah, he tries to bring some of it out.
	The mechanism is, well, I mean, I wrote a column, my last Substack column shows you some evidence of the mechanism.
	It's like if you do a search on Donald Trump donations, you won't get the Donald Trump donation site.
	But if you put Joe Biden donations, it comes right at the top.
	It's a manipulation of the way the information is presented.
	It's a subtle manipulation, but as you hear more and more of what he has to say, you can see, yes, it adds up.
	It's like real money at the end of the day.
	Is that because of the number of Democrats and Republicans using it, or is that because of who is getting the notifications?
	No, we're talking about proportions here.
	I'm saying that proportionally speaking, I'm saying that Democrats are getting those reminders at two and a half times the rate that Republicans are.
	Is this clip two?
	Yeah, it's clip two.
	Okay.
	Robert Epstein two.
	Right now that's happening.
	That's a very short one.
	Yeah, that was to discuss, oh, that's interesting.
	Well, that was an explanatory clip for the fact that The Google sends out a reminder to register to vote at a rate two and a half times greater to Democrats than they do to Republicans.
	And they determine if you're a Republican or a Democrat by your searches and by your email, by what you use when you use Google.
	Everyone uses Google email.
	I think 80% of our audience does.
	And so if you're like 80% of the audience and you're getting the No Agenda newsletter, for example, you're probably not a Democrat.
	And so you get categorized such.
	You probably, from time to time, don't receive the No Agenda newsletter for above reasons.
	Yes, that happens a lot.
	It happened particularly when I was critical of Google in one of the newsletters.
	It almost makes me want to throw my hands in the air and say, this corporation is so powerful, they control everything.
	I'm not a major research psychologist, so I don't look into it.
	But the moment you start to look into these things, you say, oh wow, look, the situation's even worse than you thought it was.
	Just to drive this point home, if Google is doing something like that, which they are because we're measuring it, and at some point they're going to send out partisan mail-in-your-ballot reminders, and at some point they're going to send out partisan go-vote reminders, and they're also stacking the deck in their search results.
	So their search results are highly biased.
	Send your audience to a web page and you can actually see what the bias is right now on Google search results.
	How does one calculate that?
	Well, we right now are collecting data with their permission through the computers of more than 14,000 registered voters in all 50 states.
	Politically balanced.
	And all that information coming into the computers of real people, we are aggregating in real time and analyzing in real time.
	Regarding bias, well, we're looking at the web pages that Google is sending people to, and we're using three different organizations' ratings of political bias.
	Taking the mean and then calculating a mean for each search position in Google search results.
	So I hope I'm not being too detailed here, but the point is we can measure very precisely whether there is bias in Google search results.
	And there's extraordinary bias in Google search results, sufficient to shift millions of votes in this year's election.
	Yeah, I remember how he does this because he said it's all ephemeral.
	So he equips like hundreds of people, I think, with a tracking device.
	14,000.
	Okay, 14,000.
	And that's how he's able to track the bias that Google puts in.
	So he throws out that number of 4 million to 20 million.
	Do you really?
	I mean, does he have any data to back up that that will sway people?
	He does a statistical analysis on what he's seeing with the 14,000 people, 7,000 Republicans, 7,000 Democrats.
	And he extrapolates and he does it in a way that is statistically sound.
	Okay.
	So that's where he's doing that.
	And he has other details in terms of how many people, because you just extrapolate.
	You know, he's only looking at 14,000 computers, but like he says in, I think, the next clip, 500 million people are hitting Google daily.
	Yeah, but not all.
	In the United States.
	Oh, in the United States?
	Really?
	In the United States.
	I brought that number.
	All of you are going to say, is that worldwide?
	Because that's exactly what happened at the dinner table the other night.
	All looking for AOC porn videos.
	But yeah, I'm sure it pops up.
	Well, I'm sure that makes you a Democrat.
	What we have learned to do is to monitor them the way they monitor us.
	We're surveilling them.
	We're collecting data that they are sending to real people.
	And by the way, that's the only way to see what they're really doing.
	You have to look over the shoulders of real people.
	Because all the content is personalized.
	You can't use an anonymized computer as The Economist did in a study, as some folks at Stanford University did in a study.
	You can't use an anonymized computer because Google sees that as a bot.
	They see it as a non-person.
	They know it's not a real person because they don't have that huge pile of information.
	Because no real person would be anonymous.
	All content is personalized, right?
	So if they're sending content to a non-person, guess what?
	It's unbiased.
	Right.
	So people have conducted silly studies saying Google is not biased against conservatives or anyone else because, look, we did this study with an anonymized computer and we're getting back clean, clean, clean data.
	Yes, that's right.
	That's true.
	In fact, I can demonstrate it for you.
	That's actually true.
	But who cares?
	That's not what the data we're getting.
	The data we're getting is personalized.
	We are looking over the shoulders of a very large number of registered voters, and they're real people, and Google cannot identify them, and that's how you see what they're sending.
	OK.
	He says Google can't identify them.
	He means Google can't identify them as stooges.
	I understand.
	All right.
	OK, let's go to clip five, I think.
	We have been monitored.
	This is, by the way, this is a good clip.
	Oh, as opposed to those first four?
	No, those were good, too.
	This is like really good.
	This is the money shot, people.
	We have been monitoring, building bigger and bigger monitoring systems since 2016.
	In 2020, we had a pretty big system in place for the first time.
	So we actually captured 1.5 million ephemeral experiences, that's what Google calls them, on Google and other platforms.
	We were very, very rapidly analyzing our data.
	We were seeing Very extreme political bias on Google, but not on Bing or Yahoo, and that's important for comparison purposes.
	And this time around, I thought, we're not going to wait till after the election.
	See, I didn't want to, I was reluctant to ever to reveal this, what we, what we knew before the election, because I was afraid Donald Trump, whom I don't think that much of, I mean, I'm amazed by him, yes, but I don't think much of him, but I was afraid he would take our data, run to the Supreme Court and shut down the country.
	But we had found such incriminating data in 2020 that a few days before the election, I contacted a reporter I knew at the New York Post.
	I said, here, I'm going to send you a bunch of stuff.
	Look at it.
	I said, you just had a front cover story on the Hunter Biden laptop.
	I said, this will be your next front cover story.
	This is about large scale Rigging of the current election.
	She was tremendously Dubious and then she looked at all the stuff I sent her and she got the assignment.
	She wrote up the piece She called me up.
	This is Friday before the Tuesday election.
	She read me parts of the piece This was going to be front cover.
	It was fabulous because it was about rigging but with real data right showing real data All right.
	Hold on a sec so What Google is doing here may spur on people to register to vote or to send in their vote.
	It seems to me like it's not going to sway anyone from one side to the other.
	I don't know about the independents and how important that is.
	I think people may have kind of made up their mind.
	So what he's saying here is stupid journalists, they're influenced by it.
	And the media portion is influenced by it, but do you think at this point that that makes any difference for how people are going to vote?
	Will it sway anyone one way or the other?
	Or is this just purely about the turnout?
	It has a lot to do with the turnout, but like he says, if you're rigging the results, in other words, if you are on the fence and you're looking for something that is like anti-Biden material and they won't give it to you, I think that's going to sway.
	How many people see the Biden roaming around clip, you know?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Well, let's continue this and then you can discuss it at the end.
	But this is the kicker to what he just said is the next clip.
	Then her editor, as a matter of course, this is nothing unusual, called Google for comment.
	She called me up later that day and she said, I am so mad.
	She didn't use that word.
	She used another word.
	A little saucy.
	And she said, well, New York journalist.
	So she said, your piece just got killed.
	I said, what?
	I said, you're the New York Post.
	You broke the Hunter.
	She said, yeah, but we get a lot of traffic from Google, which I looked up.
	At that time, they were getting about 45% of their traffic from Google.
	Now, if you try to look that up, you can't even look that up anymore.
	Google has made that information disappear.
	But the New York Post, it's true, at that time was getting a lot of their traffic from Google, so they could not afford to run the story.
	Okay, well that's a good point.
	So the New York Post is a compromised piece of crap.
	Everybody is!
	Not us, baby!
	No, it's because we're starving to death.
	Here you go.
	It's a grind!
	I can't believe it!
	It's so hard and we're starving!
	By the way, the thing with Bing, as shown in the column I just did last week for Substack, Bing is way off the track now.
	If you look at the Biden versus Trump searches, it's a promotion for Biden.
	Even though maybe in 2020 there wasn't so much of this with Bing, he says, and Yahoo.
	Yeah.
	But now there's tons.
	It is just pro, the Bing site is so pro-Biden it's ridiculous.
	So again, it may sway some, well, yes.
	I think all of America at this point sees something's wrong with Joe Biden, but I can see where independents or people who are on the fence, how big is that group really?
	It's about a third of the voters.
	Really?
	A third of the voters?
	Well, it's actually 35-35 and then the rest of our independents.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	So here we go with the final kicker of the kicker and... Oh, it's the kicker of the kicker!
	It's football!
	So I sent it off to Ted Cruz and on November 5th, two days after the election, Ted Cruz with two other senators sent a very threatening letter to the CEO of Google So this is right after the election.
	And it goes on and on about what Epstein has found.
	And how do you account for this?
	You testified before Congress saying you don't interfere with elections.
	And guess what happened on November 5th of 2020?
	Ted Cruz got a car accident?
	What happened?
	Google turned off all of their manipulations.
	Now you're saying, wait, this is after the election, who cares?
	Because Georgia, where we had more than a thousand, we call them field agents.
	So we were collecting content through the computers of more than a thousand registered voters all over Georgia.
	Georgia was gearing up to have two Senate runoff elections.
	Loeffler and Perdue.
	I went down for those races.
	Well, on November 5th, Google shut off their partisan go-vote reminders.
	No one from that day forward until that election, no one in Georgia got a go-vote reminder.
	Nobody.
	They turned off the bias.
	In the search results, which I thought would be impossible.
	You just can't turn off bias.
	I have since learned through documents from the company that were taken out of the company.
	I've learned from a whistleblower that in fact they can turn bias on and off like flipping a light switch.
	That is a quote from Zach Voorhees.
	Who's Zach Voorhees?
	That's the Google whistleblower.
	Oh, of course you haven't heard of him.
	No.
	Because nobody likes to talk about him.
	Let me Google him.
	You're going to get any more traffic from Google.
	Let me Google him.
	Oh, doesn't show up.
	I use Coggy.
	Doesn't show up.
	Yeah, no, this is a corrupt situation that is just completely out of control.
	Huh.
	And nobody cares.
	It's just like, oh, well, whatever, you know.
	Okay, well, Biden, if he gets in again, so what?
	He won't last that long and Kamala will be the president.
	That's what everybody wants.
	Give me a break.
	Well, we're going to go down with, I don't care who it is, as long as, first of all, let's just stop pretending that it matters.
	Donald Trump is not going to save everybody.
	Daddy-O is not going to fix all your problems in your town or your city.
	That's got to come from the people.
	People got to get into the ring.
	It's not going to work stripping out memes.
	I thought CNN did an interesting job of solidifying that Donald Trump is going to destroy our democracy.
	You think they'd get off that track?
	It's not doing anything.
	No, it's a double down.
	No, it's a double down because there is, and even when you hear this piece from CNN, this is this British dude who for somehow he covers Trump for CNN because I don't know, maybe he's not seen as offensive to Trump voters.
	And he, so he goes into a Trump rally, and of course it's a man on the street, so, hello, easy to pick out the two weak sisters of the bunch.
	But then it's intercut with an interview with our favorite Anne Applebaum.
	So listen to this.
	One thing we've been hearing at Trump rallies like this over the past few months is that America isn't really a democracy.
	America's not a democracy.
	It's a republic.
	It's not a democracy.
	Okay, democracy is actually not as good as you think it is.
	But for centuries, America has celebrated its democracy.
	Democracy is worth dying for.
	Democracy remains the definition of political legitimacy.
	But some Republicans and pro-Trump media are pushing the idea that America is not a democracy.
	The United States of America is not a democracy.
	We are a constitutional republic.
	The United States of America is not a democracy.
	You don't want to be in a democracy.
	We are not a democracy.
	We are a republic.
	Is America a democracy?
	America is a democracy.
	It was founded as a democracy.
	I've heard a lot of conspiracy theories.
	I hear a lot of things.
	Conspiracy theories!
	Out on the road.
	Conspiracy theories?
	Oh, wait!
	To hear Americans, people who would describe themselves as patriots, say that America is not a democracy, that stopped me in my tracks.
	You are hearing people say America is not a democracy because there are people around Trump who want them to be saying that, who've been planting that narrative.
	Is America a democracy?
	Yes.
	Well, not right now, but yeah, we're a republic.
	What's the difference?
	I feel like democracy is government control.
	I don't see freedom in democracy.
	I see freedom in the republic.
	Honestly, the word democracy and the word republic have often been used interchangeably.
	There isn't a meaningful difference between them.
	So much of the warnings and criticism about Trump is that he is a threat to democracy, that he is anti-democratic.
	Absolutely.
	If they can convince people that we don't have a democracy, then it's okay that Trump is attacking democracy, because it doesn't really matter.
	So the strongest part of that piece is, of course, having Reagan and Bush talk about our democracy.
	How do we square that with saying we don't have a democracy?
	Well, that was, they were, Reagan and Bush were doing the same thing that the Democrats do, which is to call everything a democracy when it's a constitutional republic.
	Which is what it is.
	And it's not a conspiracy, that's what it is.
	That's what it is.
	It's a conspiracy theory!
	I mean, we don't even do direct voting for the President, even though I think they would love that, but we don't.
	We have the Electoral College in between as a buffer, as a shim.
	But this is kind of the messaging.
	So yeah, I'm sure Google will surface this type of stuff, that Constitutional Republic is a conspiracy theory.
	What?
	Look at Reagan!
	Look at Bush!
	It was well done.
	And then of course we also need to attack flags.
	Flags are so important.
	I mean, throughout history, flags are a big deal.
	In all cultures.
	Yes.
	And who better to ask about flag gates?
	This is Supreme Court Justice Alito, whose wife flew the American flag upside down, an international sign of distress, and also raised the pine tree flag, which is the so-called appeal to heaven flag.
	And let's ask Mayor Pete, because there's nothing better than a McKinsey graduate, a McKinsey alum, to ask about these important questions.
	There was a secret recording made at a meeting where many Supreme Court justices and their spouses were, and Martha Ann Alito, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, was discussing how she feels about apparently a pride flag that was thrown off of her house.
	I want a Sacred Heart of Jesus flag because I have to look across the lagoon at the Pride flag.
	Did you hear that?
	She said she wants a Sacred Heart of Jesus flag?
	I just want to make sure you heard that because it's key.
	I did not hear that.
	Yeah, that's what she say.
	This is that horrible undercover recording from the woman who believes in the mother of Gaia from California.
	Oh, the Gaia woman.
	The Gaia woman, yes.
	Worshipping earth like any good pagan would.
	That was flown not far from her house.
	She's a pagan.
	That's what pagans do.
	Yes.
	I want a sacred heart of Jesus flag because I have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month.
	Exactly!
	And he's like, oh, please don't put up a flag.
	I said, I won't do it because I'm deferring to you.
	But when you are free of this nonsense, I'm putting it up and I'm going to send them a message every day.
	How does that make you feel knowing that the wife of a Supreme Court justice wants to send a message to people with a pride flag?
	Look, I'm often reminded that the most important thing in my life, which is my marriage and my family and the two beautiful children that my husband Chasten and I are raising, that that marriage only exists by the grace of a single vote on the United States Supreme Court that expanded our rights and freedoms back in 2015 and made it possible for... That expanded his rights and freedoms?
	You see, he has expanded his rights and freedoms because he's so suppressed.
	That expanded our rights and freedoms back in 2015 and made it possible.
	Unbelievable!
	get married.
	And, you know, Supreme Court justices have an unbelievable amount of power.
	And by the nature and the structure of the Supreme Court, there's no supervision over that power.
	They aren't trusted with it literally for as long as they live.
	And part of that trust is we expect them to enter into those enormously consequential decisions that shape our everyday lives with a sense of fairness.
	I also hope that most Americans can understand the difference between a flag that symbolizes, you know, love and acceptance and signals to people who have sometimes feared for their safety that they're going to be okay And, um, insurrectionist symbology.
	No!
	I'll just leave it at that.
	There it is!
	There it is!
	Trump!
	But they said something in there, he says, uh, about, you know, I wish I could put, I remember what his exact phrase was, but it seems to me that, for one thing, I think
	The same Democrats who are extolling the virtues of women and empowering them to have Alito's wife, who's got nothing, she's not on the Supreme Court, I hate to mention this to you, she's not on there doing anything, so what's she got to do with the price of bread?
	It's just ridiculous, and then what, is she supposed to be told, shut up woman!
	Get into the kitchen!
	I mean, what exactly are they angling for here?
	They kind of have a mixed message.
	Well, I think that, again, it comes down to the same thing.
	The whole point is to associate flags, American flags, faith flags, to equate that with insurrectionists, i.e.
	Trump.
	That's the whole point.
	Yeah, well it's a poorly made point.
	And I should just mention something as an aside.
	So this weekend on Catchy TV or whatever it is, one of the over-the-air channels, they've had a 24-7 marathon of laugh-in shows from 1968.
	Goldie Hawn!
	of laugh-in shows from '68. - Goldie Hawn. - She was one of the many cast members.
	And they were bitching about this.
	It was a very political show, you don't realize.
	And most of the issues are today's issues.
	And this was from this last show I was watching that had this thing in the 1971 show.
	They were bitching about the Supreme Court.
	Oh, of course, of course.
	Bitterly.
	Because at the time, the Supreme Court was somewhat liberal.
	And this was the era of bumper stickers that said, you know, impeach Earl Warren, who was a Republican.
	Earl Warren was a Republican Governor of California, Republican Governor of California, but he was a very liberal Supreme Court Justice.
	And the right wing was going nuts over Earl Warren's, impeach Earl Warren.
	And this was kind of reflected in the... Right, but in those days we had three television channels and no YouTube and no Google.
	No, but the complaining was the same.
	Well, there's always people have been bitching and moaning about the Supreme Court from the get-go and it's just like...
	Okay, give it a rest.
	And now they're complaining about the Supreme Court Justice's wives.
	That was not in play back in the day.
	Well, now we have also not in the play back in the day was media organization taking down other media organizations.
	I don't think that that was considered ungentlemanly, unsportsmanlike.
	It was the same thing with writers.
	Writers would never condemn other writers, and you're right.
	That's changed.
	It was unwritten.
	Unwritten code.
	So you've probably heard that the, I think the owner of Epic Times, or I think the financial guy, someone's in trouble, someone got arrested.
	He was a money guy, CFO I think.
	Yeah, the money guy got arrested for, I haven't looked into it, but okay, whatever.
	But that's not what this is about.
	No, no, no, no.
	I mean, we know the Epoch Times.
	In fact, I would say we've used lots of material from Epoch Times, because their reporting at least isn't your typical...
	Political-based reporting, wouldn't you say?
	Is that a fair statement?
	I think it's much more objective than the mainstream media's newspapers.
	Yeah, well, you're wrong.
	Here's NBC.
	Here's NBC's reporting.
	So the Epoch Times is a conservative news outlet.
	They have newspapers and they have a website.
	And what you'll see is very pro-Trump, conservative, ultra-conservative content.
	It's come up in 2016 as a real player in the conservative ecosystem.
	Before then, it was really known as just a Chinese language newspaper that was associated with Falun Gong.
	And Falun Gong, it's a movement, it's a religious, spiritual movement that's headed by a man named Master Li Hongzhi.
	Master Li lives in Dragon Springs, New York.
	He lives upstate and he is the head of this religion.
	So all the people in this religion have...
	I know.
	By the way, you get the, this is the, I don't know if she's a millennial, she may be Z, and they get her to do this piece with her fry and her up-talk and then, yes, it's Falun Gong, aren't they?
	With music bed, what's the music bed about?
	Yeah, but Falun Gong, explain Falun Gong before we continue with this.
	There was a bunch of these.
	I actually had a little exposition about this for some years back, and I don't have all of it at the tip of my tongue, but it was part of a... there was a bunch of these movements, these meditative movements in China.
	Yeah, isn't it yoga or something?
	It was kind of like a yoga, but it was... She does go into that.
	She does go into that later.
	And Falun Gong was the one that became the most successful, and it became The Chinese government felt it was politicizing itself and becoming a voting bloc, or a bloc that could cause trouble down the road, so it was banned.
	There was a bunch of these Falun, F-A-L-U-N's, and it was just one of many, and it became the last man standing, and it became, now it's controversial in all kinds of different directions, It's not.
	But I'd say at its base, at this point in history, it's anti-Chinese.
	No, no, they're pro-Trump.
	You've got it all wrong, man.
	It's pro-Trump.
	Bring out the Gen Z. By the way, the Falun Gong cares nothing about Trump.
	You are so wrong.
	He is the head of this religion.
	All the people in this religion have to volunteer their time at one of the media arms.
	Now there's the Epoch Times, and that's the newspaper, and then there is NDTV, and that's the television component, the video component.
	What?
	Yes.
	N-T-D?
	She says it's N-D-T?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	She says N-D-T-V is what she says.
	But it's N... No, N-T-D is not a part of Epoch Times, is it?
	N-T-D.
	No, she says N-D-T-V, she says.
	She's wrong.
	It's not N-D-T-V.
	She's talking about N-T-D, which is part of the Epoch Times and the following guy.
	No, she's talking about N-D-T-V.
	N-D-T-V.
	That's a real thing.
	N-D-T-V.
	She's not talking about N-T-D.
	Okay, if there is something called NDTV, I'd like to know.
	I'll check it out.
	Yeah, you can't on that machine, but believe me.
	I can, I got a browser here, I just don't have Twitter.
	Well, go to Google, they'll tell you to vote for Biden.
	The newspaper, and then there is NDTV, and that's the television component and the video component, and then there's Shen Yun.
	And Shen Yun, if you've seen the ubiquitous advertisements everywhere, it's a Um, traditional Chinese dance troupe with a very anti-communist China message.
	Oh no!
	So the whole point of all of these things... Anti-communist dance must go!
	I'm just pro-Trump.
	Listen to that again, she's no, there is no such thing as N.D.T.
	Yeah, N.D.T.V.
	is what she said.
	She said, and I put these clips together myself.
	N.D.T.V.
	Yeah, I know what she said.
	She's wrong.
	She's not, it's N.T.D.
	No, go to N.D.T.V.
	dot com, John.
	Okay.
	You are wrong.
	It's not a yak in a way like I'm doing.
	I'm going to actually go on the browser.
	Crazy thought, man.
	Crazy.
	While you're at it, look at that cool PCR machine from the meetup.
	China message.
	So the whole point of all of these things, whether it's the Epoch Times or Shen Yun, is to relay this message that the end of the world is coming.
	If you are aligned with communism, you will go to a sort of hell.
	And if you are not aligned with communism, if you align yourself with Falun Gong, then you will be spared and you will go to heaven.
	So it's sort of What?
	They're using their money to back Trump!
	You are so wrong!
	lot of religions.
	But what makes it interesting is that they're using their money to really back Trump.
	They're using their money to back Trump.
	You are so wrong.
	I'm sorry.
	You're just wrong on all fronts on this one.
	So here's the other one.
	NDTV.
	Yes.
	New Delhi Television out of India.
	She said NDTV.
	She's meaning NTD.
	But isn't NTV the New Tang Dynasty?
	Yeah, New Tang Dynasty is part of Falun Gong.
	Well, this is an outrage.
	She can't even get her story straight, let alone you getting it straight and defending her.
	I'm defending what she said.
	She said NDTV, that's what I said.
	Yeah, New Delhi Television is not a Falun Gong operation, I can assure you.
	Wait, but wait, let's continue because it's still All they're doing, they only exist to be pro-Trump.
	This is the story.
	And they're aligning themselves with evangelicals and just, you know, conservatives on the... You know, it's interesting.
	Pastor Jimmy just handed out epic times at church the other day.
	Like, thanks!
	All the evangelicals are all in with Falun Gong.
	And they're aligning themselves with evangelicals and, um, just, you know, conservatives on the internet to really push a pro-Trump message.
	Pro-Trump?
	And it really seems to be working.
	They have, um, gone from a really fledgling newspaper... It's working!
	...where no one was really reading.
	What are you talking about?
	It's working!
	Just so you know, it's working.
	The whole point is to discredit Epic Times.
	They're taking down another news organization.
	Well, you're just asking for trouble.
	This is a ridiculous report.
	This woman should be ashamed of herself.
	It gets better.
	It was a really fledgling newspaper where no one was really reading it.
	It cost a dollar.
	Sometimes it was free on the streets of New York.
	Oh, it's crazy!
	A news organization only costs a dollar.
	I mean, how can you pay salaries?
	And now they are everywhere.
	Their senior editors were in Trump Tower earlier this year interviewing Laura Trump.
	They're at CPAC.
	They're interviewing congressmen.
	Celebrities.
	It's kind of funny though because, you know, they're against communism, you know, like Trump is.
	But, you know, what is Biden then?
	It's like, you know, Diamond and Silk.
	Oh no, Diamond and Silk!
	Oh, they're really pulling all the stuff.
	So pro-Trump.
	Candace Owens and Ted Cruz, they're really coming up in the conservative movement and it's important to know who's behind this.
	You know, something else they've done that's really interesting lately and why we started looking at them is they started buying Facebook ads.
	They've spent 1.5 million dollars on 11,000 Facebook ads this year alone and All of the ads are very pro Trump.
	But they also push a conspiratorial message.
	And Falun Gong itself is really interesting because it started in the 1990s.
	It started in China.
	And it was headed by Master Li.
	And Master Li sort of came up with this new practice.
	It was a little bit of mysticism, a little bit of Buddhism, a little bit of yoga.
	And so what he did is he made this process, as one expert described to me, He made this process of meditation and transcendentalism really, really simple so that So there are five exercises.
	You know, people, older people could do them in the park.
	You see them all around New York City doing the exercises now.
	And it was really easy.
	But it also came with some pretty out there ideas.
	Whoa.
	Hold on a second.
	Whoa, out there ideas.
	She's talking about people doing it in the park is, what is it, where you're?
	Frisbee.
	Playing Frisbee.
	What?
	Playing Frisbee in the park.
	No, not.
	Yes, that's it.
	No, you know, the Chinese exercise, which is the slow motion.
	Tai Chi.
	Kung Fu?
	Tai Chi is a Tai Chi, yeah.
	Yeah.
	And that's what they're doing in the park.
	You're not sitting around meditating.
	I mean, this is a... And by the way, it's not that much different, that meditation technique that they're using, than transcendental meditation, which was a big thing with the liberals.
	Which you can see on NDTV from India.
	Oh yes!
	Yes, I got one more clip here.
	It's just, it was, it's just what, this is what the whole idea is, is to continuously, to continuously just propagandize people and it's the same message over and over again.
	Conspiracy theory pro-Trump.
	Ruining democracy.
	Conspiracy theory pro-Trump.
	Ruining democracy.
	It's an ultra-conservative worldview behind Falun Gong.
	So, they don't support gay people.
	Oh, they don't support gay people!
	Oh, now you're in trouble, Falun Gong.
	Is that true?
	Are they haters?
	I never heard this.
	Well, they don't support them.
	The fact that they have anything to do with Shen Yun, if you haven't seen... I mean, I haven't seen that presentation, but just looking at the commercials for it, is that if that's not gay, I don't know what is.
	They don't support gay people.
	They are anti-pop music.
	They don't support feminism.
	They rail against any sort of, like, modernism.
	I mean, part of their motto is traditionalism.
	It's also important to know that in China they were banned in the 90s because China didn't like the fact that they were becoming so popular.
	Why is that important to know, is the question.
	It's important to know that China banned them.
	That they were banned.
	And so they imprisoned some of their people, of their followers, and human rights organizations say that they tortured and killed many.
	So Master Lee brought his followers here, he moved here himself, and he lives in New York, and what he does is he runs a commune there with many followers.
	They believe things that former practitioners have told us aren't unsettling.
	So one of them is, you know, the aliens are real.
	One is that they discourage the taking of medicine because Master Li has taught that sickness is caused by some sort of evil inside of you and that it can fall and gone, can cure you of that.
	I've never heard anyone saying anything like that in my life!
	Is she going to go into the Christian, which is the group that refuses to take anything whatsoever?
	Amish?
	Is it Christian Science?
	What's the name of that group?
	There's only 30 seconds left, so I don't think so.
	Master Li has taught that sickness is caused by some sort of evil inside of you, and then it can, um, Falun Gong can cure you of that.
	So, you know, these are all things that we've heard, but the overarching... Actually, the music bit is kind of interesting, what that shows.
	It's kind of a pling-plong-plong, kind of like a... like an Asian wind chime.
	Plong-plong-plong-plong.
	A.I.
	Background music.
	Chinese pling plong.
	Gong can cure you of that.
	So, you know, these are all things that we've heard, but the overarching narrative is that, you know, Falun Gong believers believe that we are headed toward a judgment day where communists and non-communists will be pitted against each other.
	So all of these outreach efforts, whether it's the Epoch Times or Shen Yun or NDTV, are all out there to sort of save the souls of sentient beings, they say.
	This is all an effort to not only, you know, win your soul, not only, you know, win the vote for Donald Trump, but also, you know, to save the world.
	I hope Jan Jekielek knows this.
	They should be ashamed of themselves for putting that.
	I mean, she keeps saying NDTV, by the way.
	Yeah.
	Right to the end, so she's clueless.
	That is a shameful report.
	Yeah, I hope Jan Jekielek hears it.
	And it's very bigoted.
	It's a bigoted, shameful, anti...
	Okay, well she's like doing the bidding of the Chinese Communist Party it seems to me.
	Yes.
	Because they're the ones who really hate those guys.
	Quite possibly.
	Well, I'll just wrap up my media overview with two more topics.
	And the first one is, of course, Alex Jones.
	We have an update on, because Friday he was in court to determine what will happen with InfoWars.
	I actually got a call from Sir Ducifer, who works there, and he was, yeah, he says the mood is not great.
	Do you know he has 50 5-0 people working there?
	People who have worked with him there for 15 years?
	55 people you said?
	50.
	50 people.
	50?
	Yeah, 5-0.
	It's a lot of people.
	A big operation.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think it's going to end here.
	This is an attempt at digital assassination.
	Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones was defiant in front of a federal courthouse today, vowing that the government may shut him down, but they won't shut him up.
	This is probably the end of info wars.
	A federal judge in Houston ordered Jones to liquidate his personal assets worth an estimated four to six million dollars to start paying the Sandy Hook families the 1.5 billion dollars in defamation damages he owes them.
	The decision will also force Jones to auction off his jewelry and gun collection.
	An attorney for Jones said two million dollars is already sitting in escrow for the families after Jones sold a Texas ranch.
	While in court, another episode of the Alex Jones Show aired on Infowars.com, the platform where Jones spread his conspiracy theories.
	The judge ruled that the company doesn't have to liquidate its assets, but that Jones will not control the money.
	The whole thing is a giant hoax.
	Courts in both Texas and Connecticut found Jones liable for defamation after he called the attack fake, a hoax, and called grieving parents crisis actors.
	For Robbie Parker, whose daughter Emily was one of the 20 students killed at Sandy Hook in 2012, this case is not about money, but accountability.
	The reason that accountability is important for me is because that's part of the healing process.
	The hearing comes the same week the survivors of the Sandy Hook Massacre graduate from high school.
	Former classmates wore green and white pins to honor their memory.
	A memory Parker hopes never fades.
	Some of the communications between the families have been just very beautiful and so it is touching and it is emotional.
	Now this is obviously to send a message and I gotta tell you, for my money, message received.
	Message received.
	1.4 billion dollars in a libel suit?
	Wow.
	So, it seems like he'll be able to continue somehow?
	Well, he's already, no, he's got his... Okay, so he's gonna lose everything.
	Let's take it what's going to happen.
	The worst case scenario.
	He loses everything.
	They auction off all his stuff.
	They auction off everything he owns.
	And he's got gun collection, whatever that is, and the rest of it.
	Coins.
	Probably has like gold coins.
	He's just challenge coins.
	Some challenge coins.
	It's all gone.
	Got nothing left.
	This is the Internet era here.
	He can start up over.
	No, but I think that he will have to continue giving.
	They can take the money he makes in the future, too.
	I think that's probably true, but it would be on a payment schedule, so it would be like buying a car.
	You'd have to keep paying month after month.
	There's also bankruptcy issues here that you should be able to get out of some of this.
	And I mean, that's what the news media always does to go bankrupt if somebody sues them within an inch of their life.
	And so he's got, he knows how to do this.
	He knows the business.
	He can start up from scratch and build it up rather quickly.
	He knows all the vitamin people that he can get the product from.
	He just has to change the name of the product.
	And he can also do stuff through third parties.
	There's a lot of ways he can go.
	He's not an old guy who's just, Oh, well, whatever.
	I'm going to go retire.
	No, he's got plenty of, of, uh, he knows what he's doing at this point in terms of making money for himself and his friends.
	And he'll hire probably most of those people back.
	I am so grateful for you.
	Why?
	Because throughout the past... Well, good question, but there is a reason.
	Throughout the past 17 years, you have always protected the show, and probably more me, by jumping in if I said something completely libelous, and then you would correct me, so that it was clear that we were correcting that.
	Because it goes to show you, you got to be careful.
	You do have to be careful.
	And I will tell you my background on that is that when I wrote the, uh, with Adam Osborne, I wrote a book called Hypergrowth.
	And, uh, Adam was freaked out about getting sued because he was saying some nasty stuff about various CEOs.
	And so we went into a libel lawyer's office and spent the day I learned pretty much everything you need to know from a practical perspective on how not to libel or slander people.
	And I've been complimented in one case by a publisher who says, you know, You can call somebody an asshole 10 different ways, but never really say it.
	And that's kind of the key.
	And yes, well, thank you.
	I am constantly aware.
	I know it was drummed into me, but I'm very aware of this problem.
	Yes.
	No, thank you.
	Of easily libeling somebody.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Because people out there are crazy.
	The courts are crazy.
	Everything's crazy.
	For one thing, you can't call somebody a crook.
	A crook, yeah.
	That's the big one.
	That's one of the key things.
	You just can't say any, you know, if they haven't been convicted of a crime, you can't call them a criminal.
	Unless you're Warren.
	Unless you're Trump.
	Trump, you can call him anything.
	If you're Trump, you can call him anything you want.
	Anything you want, yeah.
	Well, there are differences.
	He sees people left and right, too.
	Well, there are differences for people in the public eye, which is like this kind of gray area.
	You can say horrible things about people who are in the public eye.
	There's a gray area in tort law.
	But Jones always crosses the line a lot.
	I listen to him.
	I've listened to him for years.
	We have a troll tranny.
	Janny says, I want to call Mimi a crook.
	Too many eggs stole my heart.
	Isn't that cute?
	All the art in that book is from public domain sources that are at least 100 years old.
	Give me a break.
	Unless you're an old woman.
	The final series of clips I have here is very unexciting, but the information is detailed.
	It's from Reuters.
	Reuters, there's no reason you have to be boring.
	And this is the Pentagon's psychological operation against Chinese with anti-vax messaging.
	Have you followed that?
	Yep.
	Reuters has uncovered a secret anti-vax campaign run by the Pentagon to undermine China during the pandemic.
	Despite objections from top diplomats, the US military engaged in clandestine propaganda about COVID vaccines that public health experts say is indefensible.
	An aspect of the military that many people don't realize or don't know about is that the military controls a large network of fake social media accounts and other online profiles which it can use to influence foreign adversaries.
	In this case, they were using a mixture of social media accounts on various platforms including Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and several foreign language social media platforms popular in Central Asia.
	So the message is typically focused on this idea that foreign audiences should not trust Chinese pandemic aid.
	So it would say that their face masks that they were donating were fake.
	They would say that the test kits that they were providing didn't work.
	They would say that the vaccines were ineffective, not real.
	I think the most Surprising message that we saw was that they were pushing this idea that Chinese COVID vaccines, in particular Sinovac, contained a pork derivative because where that message was targeted was in Central Asia among Muslim majority countries.
	Now, the funny thing is, I remember some of those stories.
	Yeah, I do too.
	This was, by the way, you didn't get to see because you're traveling, but this was written up in the newsletter.
	Oh, no, I didn't see that.
	No, you're right.
	Well, I have two more pieces to this.
	What I just found interesting is, of course, this never mentioned in this report is Smith-Mundt, which does not allow our government to, well, originally did not allow our government to propagandize our own people.
	Although it's kind of mentioned in there.
	That was later repealed in the National Defense Authorization Act under Obama.
	But of course, and the reason was, well, it's the Internet, you know, it might spill over.
	But I remember these quite vividly during COVID.
	How did this campaign begin?
	There was growing interest in increasing the U.S.' 's use of clandestine propaganda and influence operations following the 2016 election.
	Duh!
	How about that?
	That's interesting.
	When Russian intelligence operatives ran a hack and leak to influence American voters.
	Has that ever been proven anywhere?
	No.
	Hack and leak?
	Well, except for those hokey ads that were in Facebook.
	They spent $100,000 on ads.
	That did it.
	Hack and leak?
	Okay.
	There's already support and interest in this area that going years later in 2019, policies were instituted through Congress.
	And also within the Defense Department that lessened the approval process and made it easier to run these types of missions globally, even outside of defined war zones.
	With the COVID pandemic erupting in 2020, the military looks to employ these tactics while State Department officials voiced caution.
	Diplomats argued that it was not the right time during a pandemic to spread fear through propaganda because of the ramifications.
	Nonetheless, the military continued their operations until at least summer of 2021.
	So when I hear this, all I can think of is, well, of course they did that because perhaps the whole COVID thing was a military operation to begin with.
	Including Operation Warp Speed.
	I mean, why else would they do that?
	The one thing you're not going to get in this report, which was in the newsletter, which is the phrase that we're using over and over again, which is China is responsible for the COVID.
	China does its own vaccines.
	Don't trust China.
	There was this don't trust China meme that they were putting out.
	And I just thought it was right up our alley because we've been using that old don't trust China.
	clip forever.
	Donald Trump don't trust China.
	China is asshole.
	So we're part of the military psyop campaign.
	I guess we are.
	Unwittingly, unwittingly.
	Well, actually, unwittingly, unwittingly, we were a part of it.
	I think we do a lot of stuff unwittingly.
	But wait, one of your favorite code words is in this last clip.
	And so how did it end?
	The influence operation began in early 2020 with the spread of the coronavirus and ran through the Trump administration, but it also continued through the beginning of the Biden administration.
	In January of the Biden administration, when they first came into office, they were notified by social media companies who were dismayed by what they found.
	They had independently noticed that the military was conducting these operations through fake accounts on their platforms, and they told the Biden administration that they had seen evidence of the military spreading COVID misinformation.
	The White House and the National Security Council issued a ban internally on messaging by the military on vaccines, but we continued to see the operation active until later that spring into the early summer.
	The U.S.
	military is prohibited from targeting Americans with propaganda, and Reuters found no evidence that the Pentagon's influence operation did so.
	A Pentagon spokeswoman said the U.S.
	military does use platforms, including social media, to counter malign influence attacks aimed at the U.S.
	And she noted that China had started a quote, disinformation campaign to falsely blame the United States for the spread of COVID-19.
	Trump and Biden spokespeople did not respond to requests for comment.
	What are they going to say?
	This whole thing, I mean, while they were de-platforming people, citizens, doctors, for so-called COVID disinformation, At the same time, they're just the our own government is psyoping China.
	And then China psyoping is back and like, Oh, well, you know, didn't start here.
	This whole thing now smells like one big military defense department opera, the whole COVID thing.
	And it makes sense with warp speed.
	Well, it also makes sense with some of the clips coming floating around that are showing people who had the vaccine already in the can.
	Yeah, in 2019.
	Yeah, so there's that.
	Well, we're talking about this sort of thing.
	Also, now we're getting the blowback.
	We've got to take a break, John.
	I'm just telling you.
	After these two clips, it'll be perfect.
	Okay.
	These are Ryan Cole, an epidemiologist that was floating around some, I think they caught him at a county fair giving a speech, and so they decided to get a couple of licks in, and these are very funny, well they're not funny by any means, but they're horrible stories he tells here about who was Ryan Cole who was Ryan he's an epidemiologist that's floating around the country giving speeches about how bad this vaccine was so he's a target is what he is
	he's another one of those guys a target dr. Cole what in your opinion was the greatest crime during coven sounds like a Dutch guy by the way The truth died.
	We were lied to by governments.
	We were taken advantage of by intelligence agencies.
	We were taken advantage of by departments of defense.
	And the people were lied to.
	That's... The truth in science died.
	What do you see in the aftermath of the mRNA shots?
	I think the biggest problem we're going to be fighting for a long time is chronic autoimmune disease.
	These injections were contaminated with DNA.
	They were made with a synthetic RNA.
	And they weren't just making spike proteins, they were making Frankenstein proteins as well.
	And when the immune system is exposed to proteins that it's not supposed to see, then it starts to go haywire.
	So certainly we've seen some excess sudden deaths.
	And we've seen death from all causes increased around the world after the rollout of these genetic injections that were never a vaccine.
	They were experimental genetic injections.
	And so a lot of autoimmune disease for a long time and decreased fertility rates we're already seeing in many countries around the world.
	And what I noted early on was we were seeing a lot of runaway turbo cancers.
	And I think we're going to continue to see that, sadly.
	Yeah, Bloomberg had a story this morning.
	Why is everyone getting sick?
	Huh?
	Kate Middleton's finally out of the... He has turbo cancer.
	We were pelted with Kate Middleton.
	Just on and on and on.
	Well, so has Charles.
	He's also got... He has butt cancer.
	You don't know what it is.
	I think so.
	Allegedly.
	Let's make sure we don't get sued by the Windsors.
	Allegedly is the right word.
	So Ryan is doing county fairs?
	Yeah, this is where these guys are at.
	Yeah, county fairs.
	Good on him, man.
	He's in the arena.
	These weren't what they were advertised to be.
	They were never a vaccine.
	And the lesson here, I think, is that we should never, as a population, ever use synthetic RNA or genetic injections ever again.
	Right.
	Was that a big accident, or did the people know what they were doing who made those vaccines and peddled them on us?
	The powers that be, it was a big money game for them, and they made up a false emergency.
	SARS-CoV-2 was never an emergency for 99.9% of the population.
	So they used it as an opportunity to test out their, quote, new technology that they've been tinkering with and always failing with.
	And they rolled it out onto humanity.
	Like I said from the stage here, they would make Mengele blush in terms of human experimentation.
	This was a horrendous breach of human rights around the world.
	Destroyed lives, destroyed businesses, put more people into poverty.
	This entire couple of years has been history will look back and hopefully these people will be shown to be shameful like they were.
	That's right.
	Yes, we will have substacks to look back on this history.
	Plenty of substacks.
	I thought I'd end up this section, the B block with a C block with a uplifting little message.
	Very uplifting.
	By the way, apparently substack, just for your information, being a substacker, they've gone woke.
	That's what they say, yeah.
	What are you categorized in on the substack?
	Crackpot.
	There you go.
	And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage.
	Say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea, he just did it, in crackpot, but also in cobalt from Ukraine.
	Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one and only Mr. John C. DeVore!
	Well, in the morning to you, Mr. Adam Crane.
	In the morning, all ships and sea boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	In the morning to the trolls in the troll room.
	Choke out.
	It's Father's Day, of course.
	Previous Sunday we had 1989.
	Today we have 1618.
	That's kind of to be expected.
	People are hanging out with their dads.
	They're not donating for their dads, but they are hanging out with their dads.
	Although there's a couple.
	I saw a couple of Father's Day donations.
	We, uh...
	We want you to join the trolls.
	I have not pointed trollroom.io at the new website that Tim, Sir Tim made, CodeMonkey, which is noagenda.stream.
	It is really good.
	It's very pretty, very fast, very handy.
	So much better than that temporary page I've had up there for, oh, I don't know, 10 years.
	So we appreciate that.
	So noagenda.stream and I will point trollroom.io at it because that's where you can hang out with, well, let's face it, more than one and a half thousand trolls.
	That's not bad.
	They're all listening live.
	They do it every Thursday and Wednesday.
	Of course, we do the show live no matter where we are in the world.
	Whenever we can, we bring it to you live.
	We do it live with the accompaniment from John C. Dvorak's Noisemakers and Drums.
	And you can also enjoy this on a modern podcast app.
	Try Fountain.
	Fountain will immediately give you an alert when we go live, or if you can't listen to us live when the show is published.
	90 seconds later, boom, it's up there.
	And, of course, you get all the extra bells and whistles, including the chapters, transcripts.
	People like the transcripts.
	You can read along with the transcript.
	A lot of people listen to the show for English as a second language.
	Some people come up to me and say, you know, I really learned English by listening to you guys at the meetup yesterday.
	I know, it's kind of a sad thought, but there it is!
	There's a joke in there somewhere, too.
	Probably, probably.
	In October, we'll be celebrating 17 years.
	17 years and what a what a ride it's been.
	People want us to go for four more.
	We're hanging in there.
	But remember, it's hard to do this work.
	It's a grind.
	It's really takes a lot of grit.
	And you know, we're doing it for you.
	And We can't do it without producers.
	You heard, you know, we've got producers who are experts in every single field that you can imagine.
	They've been carefully trained throughout almost two decades to always send us information if they have it.
	Not think, oh Adam and John won't read it, because we will.
	And we always take that information gladly.
	It's very, very useful.
	You heard Sir Tim does the websites for us.
	We've got Void Zero.
	Everybody a little bit of heart health karma and prayers for Void.
	He's not feeling too well.
	Particularly on Father's Day.
	What happened?
	He has some gastro issues.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Stomach flu.
	No, no.
	It's a little worse than that.
	He'll live.
	Ulcer.
	It's not groovy.
	It's not Oprah-level, but it's not great.
	Oprah.
	Yeah, I wonder if Oprah's gonna make it.
	You know... Well, we'll get to that later.
	Also, we have to talk about the new pandemic on the horizon.
	We'll do that right after the break.
	There's a tease for you.
	Because they're really pushing it.
	Really, really pushing it.
	And of course, we have our artists.
	Artists who use noagendaartgenerator.com.
	I met one of our great Dutch masters, Tante Niel, at the meetup here in Amsterdam yesterday.
	Of course, that all appears on noagendaartgenerator.com, which Sir Paul put together.
	I mean, really, we do have an amazing community.
	Just look at the meetups by themselves.
	People getting together.
	Yes.
	So when did she meet you before, you said?
	She was a kid.
	Yes, she was a kid.
	Yes, she was a teen.
	And she gave me a A beautiful, it's not really a scrapbook, it's a produced book.
	Which has scrapbook pages, but it's not the actual scraps.
	It's all photocopied, and she put it into a book, and it's bound, and it's... I mean, it's beautiful.
	It is a lot of my story, certainly the days in the Netherlands.
	She wrote me an eight-page handwritten letter, which was just fantastic.
	It was just great.
	It was great to meet her again.
	It was great to hang out with her.
	Do you remember meeting her the first time?
	Absolutely not.
	But I've seen the picture.
	And, you know, and I can't even remember the event.
	I'm like, what, what, what, what was that about?
	I have no idea.
	I have no idea.
	Lost to history.
	But she, you know, she has followed my radio career and that inspired her to get into radio.
	She actually studied, um, broadcasting communications in the States for a year.
	And then she, uh, became a video editor.
	She was one of the first video editors on Big Brother when the show first started.
	It's a Dutch production when it first started here.
	And she, I guess she was listening for quite a number of years and never really wanted to send in any art, even though she has talent.
	And I think some of her early work never got chosen, if I remember the eight pages correctly.
	And then she says, and I figured it out.
	I figured out.
	Well, she sure did.
	What is she on the ranking right now?
	She's got to be up there.
	Well, let's take a look at the leaderboards, Adam!
	Meanwhile, while you're doing that, uh... She is number six.
	Oh, I thought she was higher than that.
	No, number one is Nick Durat.
	This is all-time or just... or this year?
	This is all-time.
	All-time.
	How about from this year?
	Can you look that up?
	I can do six months.
	Rolling six months.
	Rolling six month average, yes.
	She's third.
	I'll tell you, she's a Dutch master.
	For episode 1668, we could have used some of her Dutch mastery.
	We kind of went with the best one.
	We titled that one Spillover, and this was the yard sign, the political yard sign, which said, Rug Pull 2024!
	Make Trump deal with it.
	Correct a record.
	Another Dutch master came in with that one.
	Let me take a look.
	I know we were...
	We weren't very satisfied with the offering.
	And we're not saying that to be mean or anything, we're just... It's usually the fault of the show.
	I would defend the artists here.
	If we don't have any triggering commentary... No, we did, but it wasn't good enough.
	They can't do the art.
	So we had the, you know, this is hard, this is a grind, which was a funny bit on the show with Meghan McCain, and so they picked that one up.
	But, you know... Yeah, that's no good.
	But it's no good.
	The other one is intent to kneel your friend.
	Yeah.
	It kind of blew up her idea.
	I mean she had the idea listening to you but then you sent me the art, the actual picture of the girls in the Apple presentation.
	Oh yeah.
	It was a joke.
	Yeah, yeah.
	They were huge stovepipe jeans.
	They were denim.
	Yep.
	With sandals.
	They look like hell and they're a high, not only high water like you like to put in an old phrase.
	Yes.
	But they're also high waisted.
	Yeah.
	So you look like a complete idiot on the stage.
	And so I show that to Tina.
	You know what she says?
	Yep, that's the fashion the girls are wearing these days.
	Well, good luck.
	That's what I said.
	Well, it'll be attractive to the other girls wearing the same outfit, that's for sure.
	Which I think I said.
	Tantaniel did put in the Shule discs from the game, which was at the meetup.
	The Dutch shuffleboard.
	Yeah, I actually liked that piece.
	It was a good piece, but we didn't think anyone would get it.
	The Dutch might get it, but it was... I don't know.
	Do you think we should have chosen that one?
	In hindsight, no.
	Okay.
	But we appreciate the work of all of the artists.
	The show would not be as successful without you.
	There's no doubt about it.
	No doubt about it.
	Um, and, uh, we appreciate it.
	Yeah, you can, uh, they're doing this live.
	So while, while we're talking, they will be uploading art, uh, to NoahGenArtGenerator.com.
	Of course, uh, a tip, uh, for you new artists, typically on days like Mother's Day, Father's Day, Christmas, Easter, we tend to go traditional.
	We're always looking for something with an edge, but we tend to go traditional.
	Um, so if you can combine traditional with an edge.
	Yes.
	There's your winner.
	There's your winner.
	Now for the, so all we ask for in return is that if you get any value from this show, you know, do something back for the show.
	Hit someone in the mouth.
	We ask for time, talent, treasure.
	You can give us a boots on the ground report.
	You can organize a meetup.
	You can send us your treasure.
	What I'd like to do is, since there were so many executive and associate executive producers who handed on-the-spot donations, I'll do these now.
	I should just do everybody real quick.
	I wrote it all down.
	I'm not shuffling through notes.
	Before we then get to the rest of our executive and associate executive producers.
	That sound okay by you?
	Yeah, it's fine.
	Okay.
	Well, I'm just asking, like a little meeting on the side, a little sidebar.
	So we had the raffle.
	This is something that's started at these meetups.
	It's interesting where there's a raffle and everybody puts some donation money into the pot.
	There were a lot of people there.
	So the pot equaled €389.
	And that was won by Sebastiaan de Stichter.
	And he's from Oerstrees, your favorite spot.
	And so he will be listed as an executive producer today.
	He wants no jingles, no karma.
	Then we had Jacobina, Dame of the Doomsday Demers, I think it is.
	It was hard to read.
	She gave us a nice card and 360 Euros.
	All this was cash, by the way.
	A couple of people gave us some actual American money.
	Caroline, let me see, Dierenburg, $100 in cash.
	And that's towards her damehood, also for her birthday, which was June 5th.
	And she says thanks for keeping her sane.
	Chantal Reitsma, 50 euros, and she wants a de-douching.
	Hold on a second.
	You've been de-douched.
	Robert Hesselbrink, 50 euros and a five dollar note, and very important, a KLM DEI pen, which is actually one of the most interesting things I received.
	It literally says diversity and inclusion on the pen.
	I think it's a collector's item.
	I think so too.
	I'm not sure who gave me the No Agenda Monkey, and I forget who gave me the Jesus t-shirt, but thank you for that.
	We got two Forever B12 Plus pillboxes from one of our producers.
	I'll be sending that to you, John.
	That'll keep us alert and alive forever.
	Got us a Mutton & Mead music t-shirts, a Node Runner's pin, then we had ShadyCharacter33, 200 Euros, so Associate Executive Producer, and he has some, oh yeah, some viral medical books that he wants added to the No Agenda Books list.
	We'll do that, no jingles, no karma.
	Rom Nonen, 200 euros, in a HEMA envelope, which was a nice touch.
	A switcheroo for his dame-to-be, Bianca Bianchini.
	And he has been hitting her in the mouth for 10 years, and finally she started listening.
	No jingles, no karma.
	Serpents, 200 euros, plus 33 American cents.
	He wants a double up karma.
	He got that for him.
	You've got... Double up!
	...karma.
	And so that's Associate Executive Producer.
	His sister, Kim, gave us €333.33 for a full-on executive producership.
	She lives in Portugal.
	She wants to de-douche.
	You've been de-douched.
	And she rents out holiday homes in Benagil, in the Algarve in Portugal.
	If you mention no agenda, while renting one, you get a free bottle of champagne.
	Then, very interesting, Amit the Israelander.
	Amit is, so he's Israeli, and I mean, he's so Israeli, John.
	He's a Mossad.
	No, you should have said, how Israeli is he?
	How Israeli is he?
	He's so Israeli, if you put on a black hat and some curly Q's, he could sell diamonds in New York.
	And he did.
	And he gave me an envelope with 100 Euros on it and the envelope said, here it is, your Jew money!
	So yes!
	And by the way, Israelis don't look like that.
	Amit does.
	Well, I know he might, but that doesn't mean he's not, like, part of that group.
	I'm just telling you, this is what Amit looked like.
	But I just thought it was funny that he said... It's a good look.
	Yeah, it was a great look.
	Finally, he says, here's your Jew money.
	It's true, we're getting Jew money.
	And he says, John... It's about time!
	He says, John, he loves it when you say someone's a nudnik, because it reminds me, he says, of his old Jewish mother.
	Why?
	She wasn't a nude nick.
	Ludwine gave us a bottle of her SMPL.International 72 Plant Derived Minerals.
	I'm tripping on them right now.
	Got an old Amsterdam cap from Jacob, I think, and 33 euros and he needed a de-douche.
	You've been de-douched.
	So thank you all very much who came to the meetup.
	It was great to see everybody.
	It was great to hang out with you and we'll do it again in four more years.
	Something like that.
	It's tiring.
	Long day.
	Over to our executive and associate executive producers came in either through the PayPal or through the P.O.
	Box checks, etc.
	or Stripe.
	We kick it off with Pim Interim from Maastricht, the Netherlands, 456.66.
	And well, this is a meetup donation as well.
	Being invited to the meetup in Amsterdam, I realized I couldn't show up without finally pushing myself into knighthood.
	Is he on the list for knighthood?
	I'll take a look here.
	I don't think so.
	It's not blue.
	Let me check.
	No, he doesn't.
	Let me see what he says in the rest of the note.
	I've been listening on and off and depending on my commute schedule but always enjoyed it every second.
	Last donation was 10 years ago.
	Time flies when being a douchebag, when you're a douchebag I guess.
	Adam, oh well, maybe he's just being, he's on his way to knighthood I think.
	No, no, not really.
	He says time flies when you're being a douchebag.
	Hope Adam will have enjoyed the best Limburgse fly.
	Oh yes, there was Limburgse fly, which is Dutch cherry pie.
	Very good.
	From the best baker in the Netherlands.
	And other than that, I got nothing else, much else to say.
	No jingles or special night name.
	Kind regards, Pim, from Maastricht in the Netherlands.
	So I'll just make him Sir Pim.
	I think he's... Yeah, that's what I would do.
	Sir Pim it is.
	All right.
	I guess it was confusing.
	Yeah.
	Maggie Tindorf in Carlsbad, New Mexico.
	$3.50.
	In honor of my smokin' hot Candanavian husband's birthday on June 20th, I am donating $3.50 for Mark Tindorf to pull him out of his current douchebag status.
	You've been de-douched.
	Happy birthday.
	Keep up the great work.
	Very nice.
	Douglas Murray, Missoula, Montana, 338.33.
	First executive producer donation, so it's doing some heavy lifting.
	Happy birthday to my mom, Jerry, and happy Father's Day to my dad.
	They lost a son on May 29th.
	Rest in peace to my brother and his wife.
	Don't do drugs, he says.
	Their babies are in great hands, so send them your love.
	Sounds like a drama.
	This is a partial switcheroo.
	Please boost my sis to baronettas.
	Dame Ellen of the Dream Realm.
	I'd been a baronet already myself, but I went all in on the dame drive back in the early days of COVID to get her a ring and never got knighted myself.
	Oh man, you're a great brother.
	Please dub me Sir Digitup of the Sharp Shovel.
	Boob karma for me, please.
	I'm sorry.
	I must have missed the boob karma.
	Is there such a thing?
	No.
	We don't have... No, I don't see a boob karma.
	Rattlesnake and eggs with mescal at the round table, if I may.
	Thank you for your courage, Douglas Murray.
	Well, we do have some karma for you, but not of the boob murder.
	You've got karma.
	But I'm sure you'll get it.
	That's how it works with karma.
	You ask, you receive.
	Connor Bailey in Tip City, Ohio.
	333.69.
	ITM gentlemen, I couldn't resist the opportunity to donate to the show number that ends in 69!
	Can you please consider this a Robilizer donation, as I don't want my total donation accounting to be that many sixes in a row.
	Please also de-douche my friend Sir Nick Leary.
	You've been de-douched.
	He's a knight, but he's never been de-douched.
	I don't think he needed it.
	Uh, Adam, I think what you're doing with Boostagram balls and Bitcoin could revolutionize the music industry!
	And peer-to-peer payments.
	Perfect use case for Bitcoin.
	I haven't heard one in a while.
	I'll have to tune back in.
	Send prayers instead of a jingle.
	Can I get an oh no from John?
	Oh no!
	Thank you for your courage, Connor Bailey in Columbus, Ohio.
	Columbus, Ohio.
	All right.
	Becky Kenny.
	Becky Kenny.
	And she is in Katy, Texas.
	Happy Father's Day, gents.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate that.
	Please see PayPal donation of 333.33 to celebrate Father's Day for my wonderful husband, Baronette, well, Baronette Mike, of the Great Katy Prairie.
	Just look at what great fathers our sons are to see how good a father you are.
	I love you, honey.
	Keep up the good work.
	No jingles, no karma.
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	Sir Leary, Columbus, Ohio.
	333.20.
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	This is a Switcheroo donation, so the executive producer credit goes to him.
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	And there will be a Dayton, Ohio Meetup Saturday, June 22nd.
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	Where's my... I'm on my small screens, man.
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	This is from... This is the $300.
	Yes, I'm saying that right?
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	It's a yellow paper, apparently.
	Is this a post-it note?
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	Okay, I hope you do.
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	Oh, Jen.
	Jen.
	Not General.
	Jen with a G. Gigi and Wyatt.
	In Liberty Lake, Washington.
	222.22, First Associate Executive Producer.
	This row of ducks is to honor Kyle, the Spook of Spokane, this Father's Day.
	He has brought more joy to us as a father than we could have ever imagined.
	Please send us more baby-making karma.
	Ah, we got that.
	Yeah.
	Still working on it, but as you two suggested, John Adam, will be on the list of possible names.
	We love you, Kyle.
	Love, Jen with a G. Gigi and Wyatt.
	Can you imagine if they have twins?
	It's John and Adam.
	Or how about Charles and Clark?
	Our middle names is also nice.
	That could happen too.
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	Dame Beth.
	No, it's not.
	Oh, you're right.
	I'm sorry.
	Uh, it's so new, the baby making karma, um, that I forgot we had it.
	Here we go.
	There's your baby making karma.
	Come on, baby.
	Come on out.
	You've got... Parma.
	You put that one together yourself?
	I did.
	On Audacity?
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	That's a good one.
	Dame Beth is in Tucson with a row of ducks, 222.22.
	Heil, boys!
	Calling all Tucson slaves to join us for libation, snacks, and fun during the second summer solstice soiree this Thursday at Canyon's Crown from 4 to 7.
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	Dame Beth, Baroness of the Baja, Arizona.
	Okay, uh... You need me to do this one, too?
	I got Dame... Yeah, you might as well.
	You got him open.
	DameBangBang21875.
	John and Adam, it has been a long time since my last donation.
	Wishing you both a happy Father's Day.
	Thank you.
	Did you get anything for Father's Day?
	Yeah, I got a gift from Jay.
	Aww, what did she give you?
	Can we talk about it?
	Well, it was... what she gave me is a... something she saw on TikTok.
	Yes.
	It's a crazy, lazy Susan device that goes onto one of the shelves of your refrigerator and you load it up with everything and you can spin it around and it tucks back in there.
	It's an absolutely, if you have a refrigerator that's deep like I do, it's the only way you can get to the stuff in the back.
	It works great.
	What are you going to put in it?
	Condiments?
	No, it's all condiments already.
	She already installed it.
	And yeah, it's mostly condiments.
	And in fact, in the process of doing that, I discovered a mustard that I lost somehow in the refrigerator years ago.
	Any other treasures back there?
	No, not anything major.
	Okay, good.
	My daughter's taking me on a pancake boat tour.
	Do pancakes float?
	No, but they'll be making pancakes while they tour through the waters of Rotterdam.
	Which I've never done.
	Yeah, I've never done that.
	And it's supposed to be beautiful weather when we do it on Tuesday.
	So back to Dame Bang Bang, wishing us both a happy Father's Day.
	Please accept this donation in honor of Sir D.H.
	Slammer, who is a wonderful father and husband.
	He will be celebrating his birthday on 6-18.
	So we'll have him on the list.
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	Love, Dame Bang Bang.
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	Appreciate it.
	Good morning, gents.
	Switch route today for my... Excuse me.
	Is there any other kind?
	At certain ages, they're all difficult daughters.
	That's what dads would tell you.
	wife, Amy Lynn, and your loving, but sometimes difficult daughter, Zaley.
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	I think it's Zaley.
	No, it's just a difficult daughter.
	I think it's a funny moniker.
	Is there any other kind?
	At certain ages, they're all difficult daughters.
	That's what dads would tell you, if they're honest.
	Thank you for all you do for us, Dan used Zaley's Christmas money on a donation for me for Mother's Day, so I figured we might as well use her birthday money for him on Father's Day.
	That's how you do it with those difficult daughters.
	Good job, Mom.
	Seemed logical to me.
	Anyway, thank you, Dan, for supporting us always and really supporting me in this first year of running my own business.
	If you're in my area, Cold Spring, Minnesota, and are in need of a new hairstylist, look me up!
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	Anonymous in Colorado, 207 bucks.
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	I transmitted it to him and while he could have easily been saved by early treatment, instead he was allowed to die alone in a hospital surrounded by people who loathed him.
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	Geartich?
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	If he were alive... That's an American man right there.
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	Our formula is this.
	We go out, We hit people in the mouth.
	Oh no!
	Alright, I want to hit us with the bird flu right away because they cannot stop.
	They just can't stop for whatever reason.
	They can't stop.
	And it's spreading.
	I have some CBS clips.
	I know you probably have it.
	It's not spreading at all.
	No, the meme is spreading.
	The bird flu meme is spreading.
	Yes, that's for sure.
	You got that right.
	And most interesting, I would have to say, and I do have some CBS clips.
	I know you have a couple as well, because we have to stay on top of this because we were a little lax when that COVID thing came along.
	We were laughing at the people falling down on TikTok in China.
	It was all funny.
	And there was no one dying and they were just ramping it up and then all of a sudden we were locked down and life changed for everybody.
	But now, we already identified this happening on the last show where Chris Cuomo started talking about the flu vid and the flu vax and should we take it?
	The flu vid.
	And I think News Nation has been compromised.
	And this is the Cuomo show with some fill-in kid.
	And, uh, listen to what he has to say.
	Could we be on the verge of another pandemic, and one that could be even worse than the one caused by coronavirus?
	This time it could actually be bird flu.
	Let's hope not.
	The CDC is now calling for more testing for bird flu at America's farms, sounding alarms after several farm workers contracted the disease from animals.
	Since 2003, there have been 888 confirmed human cases worldwide.
	That's according to the CDC.
	But here's the scary part.
	Half of those patients died from the disease.
	Compare that to COVID, in which just 0.6% of people who tested positive actually died.
	The fear now is that the bird flu is changing, adapting, So that's just the setup.
	Oh, but it doesn't have to do anything.
	It doesn't have to exist.
	So that's just the setup.
	Well, that's worse than anything report I've heard because he used the term is changing and adapting.
	It's not.
	Oh, but it doesn't have to do anything.
	It doesn't have to exist.
	All I'm waiting for now is Johns Hopkins.
	Someone needs to come out with some charts.
	We need some autos.
	I think intermixed with my three clips is a Johns Hopkins mention.
	You really have a Johns Hopkins mention?
	You just mentioned it.
	I think there may be one in there.
	I'm not absolutely sure.
	Well, let me get through these and let's see if you have a Johns Hopkins.
	This is the introduction of a guy who I kind of had respect for, but I've lost it now.
	Who?
	This is Redfield, the guy from the CDC who resigned, who left.
	He was like, ah, this is no good, and he was kind of in the, in the, eh, this is bullcrap, we shouldn't have done it this way, Camp.
	Somebody put a gun to his head there.
	Yep, yep, hey!
	What's this picture, man?
	Former CDC Director Robert Redfield, who helped oversee our country's response to COVID, says it is definitely time to take this more seriously.
	And Dr. Redfield joins me live now.
	It's always nice to see you, doctor.
	I remember you told Chris not long ago that the bird flu could make COVID look like a little pandemic, which was quite alarming.
	I mean, is that really the case?
	Yes, Brian, I really do think it's very likely that we will at some time, it's not a question of if, it's more of a question of when, we will have a bird flu pandemic.
	And as you mentioned, unfortunately, bird flu has, when it does enter humans, has a significant mortality, probably somewhere between 25 and 50 percent mortality.
	So it's going to be quite complicated.
	Since 2019, we've had a progressive increase in bird flu in chickens and ducks and turkeys in our country.
	And since then, you've seen it now go into a number of mammals.
	It's now in over 25 different mammals.
	I think now, if the law is recently, it's now in 27.
	Animals in the United States.
	Why is that important?
	We know exactly what has to happen for bird flu to be infectious for humans and go human to human.
	Scientists in 2012 actually did experiments in the lab using data function research which I'm not in favor of but the scientists did it and they figured the five amino acids that have to change in a key receptor In order for bird flu to gain a propensity to bind to the human receptor and then be able to go human to human.
	So if I hear this guy correctly, he's just saying, all they have to do is pull the trigger.
	The recipe, you can get it from Chad GPT.
	They just have to change the five little bits and then we can have bird flu.
	That's what he's saying.
	Yeah.
	That's very troubling.
	Because that's what they're doing.
	That's what they're working on.
	You know, the Peter McCullough clips, he described this perfectly, and they named the lab and the people.
	He did a pretty good job of that, even though I got a nasty note from somebody saying, oh, Peter McCullough's part of the op.
	Well, he certainly... Well, if the op is to tell us that they... I mean, what I'm hearing now, because this is NewsNation, this is not CNN, this is not CBS, this is not NPR, and we know this is the Cuomo Show, which by itself is clearly some kind of op.
	Clearly.
	The guy can't apologize for anything.
	And take that with what McCullough is saying.
	They are basically saying, without saying it, they can do it to you.
	They can do it.
	Now what that means is a little interesting because I don't recall McCullough saying 50% of people will die from the bird flu.
	There's no evidence for that.
	He said just the opposite.
	Yeah, he says all the people that and he said, I'll just reiterate without him to play these clips again.
	He said that the people who died at a high death rate of bird flu are the ones out in the middle of nowhere, China, where they're handling a lot of birds and they end up getting bird flu and then they never get treated at all.
	And they're just left to die.
	And so they die at a high rate.
	But that's not what would happen in a normal situation.
	So the bogus, that death rate number is bogus.
	Okay.
	So, but the idea they can do it, Redfield is now propagating that message.
	Well, the idea what they could do is not kill people, is to change the amino acid so it becomes human to human transmissible.
	But according to McCullough again, this would just result in everybody having conjunctivitis.
	It would be kind of gory to watch, look around at what people look like.
	And we'll have to test with swabs in our eyes, which will suck.
	That's right, I forgot about that.
	Well, I think the key word here is just like we had the ferrets during COVID, I think the llamas.
	The llamas are the ones to look out for.
	When the llamas start keeling over, then you know they've released it.
	Is it like COVID where if you cough someone else can get it?
	Is that how it spreads or does it spread a different way?
	No, it's likely to spread through aerosol and droplets is how it's going to eventually spread.
	Mask up!
	And once the virus gains the ability to attach to the human receptor and then go human to human, that's when you're going to have the pandemic.
	And as I said, I think it's just a matter of time.
	Normally, the five amino acid changes is a huge species barrier.
	So who knows how long that will take.
	But as it goes into more and more different mammals, it's changing its use of receptors.
	It's changing, it's changing.
	It's learning how to use different receptors for dolphins and seals.
	And it's learning how to use receptors in bears.
	I think seal flu is cool.
	Dolphin flu!
	I can't come to work, I got dolphin flu.
	And it's learning how to use receptors in bears and polar bears and foxes and raccoons and cats.
	So it's going through a lot of changes.
	Who's testing polar bears?
	There's money in testing polar bears, I guarantee you.
	...and raccoons and cats.
	So it's going through a lot of changes and as it picks up some... Coon flu!
	...some of these new receptors, it can get closer and closer to humans.
	Recently in cattle, you know, where it was recently described and now is in a significant number of cattle in the United States.
	Um, you know, I'm concerned about that because cattle, uh, live close to pigs and a lot of times in flu, uh, there's been a relationship of flu going from pigs to humans as it's trying to evolve.
	China is where you have this mixture of livestock.
	We don't have, I don't know of any cow farmers who have a bunch of pigs mixed in.
	No, you're misunderstanding.
	You're misunderstanding.
	What am I misunderstanding?
	He says that the cows are going to give it to the pigs and it's going to mix up into a witch's brew of God knows what that's going to come out and kill us all.
	That's what I heard.
	No, you need to understand the code when they say pigs.
	Fear is freedom.
	Subjugation is liberation.
	Contradiction is truth.
	Those are the facts of this world, and you will all surrender to them, you pigs in human clothing!
	You see?
	That's the code word.
	Because to them, we're just pigs in human clothing.
	Pigs.
	We're all pigs to them.
	I'm concerned about that because cattle live close to pigs and a lot of times in flu, there's been a relationship of flu going from pigs to humans as it's trying to evolve and gaining the receptors it needs to go human.
	I'm less concerned, though, that this will happen through spillover and evolution in animals.
	Spillover!
	Spillover!
	I'm much more concerned that this will happen in the laboratory through gain-of-function research.
	I mean, just say it!
	They're gonna do it!
	Mail-in ballots!
	Mask up!
	Flatten the curve!
	The CDC weighs in!
	On the Medical Watch, the CDC is tracking two drug-resistant flu strains.
	They're mutations of the H1N1 virus, which was responsible for the swine flu pandemic in 2009.
	It was not a stop.
	I was there.
	It was not a swine, they did not call it a pandemic.
	Do you remember them calling it a pandemic?
	You're wrong.
	Really?
	It was that Chinese woman, if you remember, we were doing the show.
	Yeah.
	It was that Chinese woman who was the head of the WHO, who out of the blue deemed it a pandemic.
	And this is that flu that came out of Mexico.
	I think it was.
	And they were lined up for it, for the shots.
	The only clip I have is this.
	I have discovered a new strain of the flu that has the potential to become a pandemic.
	It had pandemic potential?
	No, no.
	She, I'm telling you, I can do the research if I have to, but I'm telling you, she called it a pandemic and it just didn't stick the way it did with COVID.
	Nobody took it too seriously.
	She was just not a good WHO person.
	It was during the pandemic.
	Okay.
	It never was much of one except for the fact that they lined up.
	I had pictures, I had photos at the Albany Library of people lined up around the block.
	It looked like a Star Wars premiere.
	Yeah, to get their swine flu shot.
	I remember that.
	All right, let's continue.
	... pandemic in 2009.
	The new strains are more resistant to the flu treatment Tamiflu and also retain sensitivity to other anti-flu medications.
	Despite this, the CDC is not recommending any changes to clinical care for the mutated virus.
	So they're just pushing all kinds of noise into the ether.
	I have a couple CBS clips, but I want you to play your NPR clips first.
	Uh, I believe these to be from NTD.
	Oh, it says NPR.
	It does?
	Yeah, it says NPR.
	Clip one, NPR.
	Well, we'll know if they go, hey, hi, hello, hoi, yeah, hey, how you doing, toppy, yeah.
	Then it'll be NPR.
	Hold on.
	Oh, yes, I'm sorry.
	You're right.
	It's clip one NPR.
	It's not NDT.
	Does the U.S.
	have bird flu under control?
	It's hard to tell, even though it's been close to three months since the virus was first spotted in dairy cattle.
	New cases are still cropping up, most recently in Wyoming and Texas.
	This week, federal health agencies released several new assessments of the situation.
	NPR's Will Stone is here to tell us the latest.
	Hey, Will.
	Hey there.
	Hey, Will.
	Hey there.
	So what did we learn from these latest reports?
	What are you learning, Will?
	Well, we got a better sense of how bird flu is spreading between different dairy farms.
	The virus has been detected in more than 90 herds in a dozen states since late March.
	Many of these cases were in Michigan.
	The USDA drilled down into what's happening there.
	They found it's mainly being transmitted from herd to herd in three ways.
	So first, through shared equipment and vehicles.
	Second, people are carrying the virus inadvertently on their clothing or boots.
	And finally, some animals that are infected are moving between farms.
	There had been concern that wild birds could be repeatedly reintroducing the virus into dairy cattle.
	So far, federal officials say the evidence does not support that.
	Based on genetic sequencing of viral samples, it appears there was a single spillover event when a wild bird spread it into cattle in Texas sometime last year, and that sparked this unprecedented nationwide outbreak in dairy cattle.
	It's really, it's really... Hold on, hold on.
	It's really interesting how you introduced us to the term spillover, which was in a totally different context, and now we've both had, both had a clip, two clips today with the term spillover.
	Yeah.
	It's a word they want to put into public domain, and so we're hearing it a lot.
	Yep.
	And you're going to hear it more.
	So... And when you hear it, when you hear spillover, it's time to donate.
	Yeah.
	We'll be rich!
	Now, McCullough in the previous clips that we played talked about they infected some mallard ducks and the ducks are floating around because how else do you explain it going from Texas to Michigan now to Wyoming?
	They migrate.
	The mallard ducks are big migrators.
	And they're floaters.
	Mallard ducks are going all over the place.
	They're floaters.
	And so, but meanwhile, they're in denial about this because they don't want to push back on that lab that created the mallard duck.
	And so they end up with this bull crap story.
	Oh, it's because of the same equipment and somebody's got mud on their feet.
	Well, you're talking about Michigan and Wyoming.
	You're not exchanging cattle between these two states or mud.
	I mean, it's bullcrap!
	How about Peking duck?
	Peking duck, that's gonna originate from Peking duck.
	We gotta blame it on China.
	Peking ducks are one of the prettiest ducks you've ever seen in your life.
	And tasty.
	They are very tasty.
	Yes, indeed.
	All right, onward with more of the, now, so there's some reason that they don't want the, because the guy specifically said, no, it's not migratory fowl.
	It's, uh, it's mud on the boots.
	Mud on the boots on the ground.
	So this is not, so we know that there's some proper, they're, they're trying to control the narrative and they're doing a shitty job of it.
	Here we go.
	Beyond animals, though, I know a few humans have contracted this flu, which has some folks concerned about this sparking a pandemic.
	Concerned!
	Do we have any better sense of the risk to people here?
	Oh, concerned!
	It's sparking a pandemic!
	John?
	I'm going to put it in the book, man.
	I'd give us two more months before we have real pandemic noise coming from the Biden administration.
	They're doing it.
	They are doing it.
	I don't know if it'll work.
	It's going to be interesting to see all the people who say, I'm not putting a mask on.
	I'm not going to do that.
	No way.
	Not going to happen.
	Well, hold on before you continue.
	I can go to this grocery store today.
	And see people with masks on.
	And a third of the people will be wearing a mask.
	I know, but if it becomes quote-unquote mandatory.
	Yeah, I'm not.
	I can tell you right now.
	I'll go to jail.
	I'll go to jail.
	You're in Fredericksburg.
	There's nothing to worry about.
	The policing, by the way, during the last pandemic was nil.
	Except for, you know... No, it was self-policing.
	I see peer pressure.
	Say, put a mask on!
	It was self-policing.
	Yeah, with self-policing.
	We could go out, you know, lockdown bullcrap.
	Just go out, nobody cared.
	They weren't pulling you over.
	Hey, hey, wait.
	We need to get out in front of this.
	We need no agenda shop with some t-shirts and hoodies and stuff that have a good slogan.
	Like, bird flu question mark, yo mama.
	Something like that.
	We need to... Oh yeah, that'll do it.
	Yeah, the jingle maker, Adam Curry.
	I'm just giving an alley-oop.
	I'm just trying to lay it up here.
	Someone else has got to put it in.
	Okay.
	Do we have any better sense of the risk to people here?
	So right now, federal health officials say the risk to the general public remains low.
	If you work with dairy cattle, obviously the risk level is higher.
	There still have only been three human cases reported.
	The most recent one was in a Michigan dairy worker.
	That was more concerning because the person actually had respiratory symptoms.
	I asked the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention this week whether there were any alarming mutations in the samples of the virus Just listen to this script.
	Alarming respiratory symptoms.
	What?
	I mean, I have respiratory symptoms.
	What are you talking about, NPR?
	We didn't see any signs in the virus's fingerprints that suggest that it's more able to transmit between humans or from animals to humans.
	So clearly that is reassuring, but without a doubt there are people in public health who are deeply worried about the situation.
	Okay stop, stop the clip.
	This is the classic type of propaganda you get from these guys.
	Yeah.
	The clip said, specifically, there's nothing's going on.
	We can't find any evidence of anything.
	And then you cut back to the guy who says, but other people, without attribution, are concerned!
	No, I didn't say worried.
	And they go right back into the narrative that you just described as a script.
	It's just unbelievable how bad this is.
	Yeah, but this is- It's making me take your side on this thing to some extent, even though I still think it's never going to go anywhere, because these guys are incompetent boneheads.
	But okay, let's finish that clip.
	We just need some charts, we need some numbers, we need some- we need trucks, refrigeration- We need Johns Hopkins.
	Johns Hopkins and refrigeration trucks, then we're good to go.
	Clearly that is reassuring, but without a doubt, there are people in public health who are deeply worried about the situation, and the fact that we don't have more visibility around this outbreak.
	Are there unknowns that have public health officials concerned?
	There's a lot.
	For starters, exactly how many cattle are infected right now, we don't know.
	I asked the CDC if we even have some sense of the trajectory here.
	Have we hit the peak of cases in cattle?
	The answer was also, we don't know.
	Andrew Pekosz brought up another big concern when I spoke to him, which is better surveillance on the human side of things.
	Pekosz is a virologist at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.
	Johns Hopkins coming in!
	Coming in through the side door!
	Well, yes, we need... So, first of all, we know from our producer, who repented on this very show, what a money-making scam the testing is.
	So, we clearly need to get into the testing game.
	Can you say E-X-I... E-X-I-T strategy?
	I mean, $750 million just for a half of the Los Angeles school district.
	So the test, so there's a lot of money that's going to be pushing this.
	Everybody sees it.
	Everybody knows it.
	Everybody wants it.
	Well, the blueprint's out there.
	We already saw that it's effective and safe for making money.
	It's a safe way to make money and it's effective.
	Safe and effective.
	I just want to get in on it.
	I mean, can we do... We'll have to think about it.
	There is a way we should be able to get in on it.
	So, the elements that are missing here.
	One, Johns Hopkins in the side door.
	So that's a start.
	We need Ted Ross.
	Ted Ross needs to start talking.
	That's a given, I think.
	Have you seen the Ted Ross video that's floating around TikTok?
	Where he's dancing gay?
	Yeah.
	And the one with Zelensky and Macron.
	That's not AI, by the way.
	Those guys, that's the real deal.
	And we need Marco Rubio in there.
	More of that.
	AI.
	Um, no.
	So we've got, we've got to have Tedros.
	That's, that's easy because he'll, he'll just do whatever they tell him.
	That's, he's probably already talking.
	I think Bill Gates is going to back off a little bit, but Gavi will be in there.
	We need a Fauci figure.
	And by the way, HOTEP.
	HOTEP.
	Peter Hotez.
	Yeah.
	He's not dynamic.
	We need someone who can do the White House briefings.
	Maybe Redfield.
	Maybe Redfield's vying for the spot.
	Maybe that's why he's out there.
	Redfield would be good enough.
	You know, former CEC.
	Yeah, but he's an old man.
	He's not that old.
	You need an older guy?
	He sounds like it.
	No.
	No, he's probably my age.
	Don't say it.
	Don't say it!
	Too late.
	That's really the critical thing that we're now worried about is if this virus gets into humans, Then the virus can adapt to humans directly.
	This has been going on long enough so that there should be antibody signatures in the blood of people who have gotten exposed, and that would really give us a sense of how much low-level exposure, perhaps mild disease, has been in this population.
	So basically, figuring out how many cases we might have missed by looking for evidence of a past infection, that can help us gauge the overall risk to humans.
	Pekar says it still seems that within a herd, the virus is primarily spreading in the process of milking.
	It could be the virus just keeps doing that and doesn't end up adapting to spread from human to human if we can keep it from infecting other people.
	But that's optimistic and not something we can bank on.
	That's NPR Health correspondent Will Stone.
	Thanks, Will.
	Thanks, Will.
	Okay, so how about the Admiral?
	The Admiral, the one in the dress.
	Rachel Levine?
	Yes, Admiral Levine.
	That's a possibility.
	Yeah, now you're just being silly.
	No, I'm not being silly.
	Who's going to take her seriously?
	Well, apparently the entire government does.
	No one sits there and says, yo, dude, stop it.
	The dude in a dress the way you always describe it.
	No one says, hey, Rachel, dude, stop it.
	No one says that in government.
	No, they give him awards.
	He's a medal.
	Yeah, I wonder what all these... he's got a lot of medals.
	What do you get those medals for?
	In his case, it's called fruit salad, John.
	Hey-o.
	Hey-o.
	All right.
	Now let's go to the CIA broadcasting systems.
	Now you know it's getting serious.
	CBS.
	And it's amazing because I believe Dr. Selene Gunder.
	I believe she's the one whose husband died while reporting on the World Cup.
	I think.
	Oh really?
	That's the, I mean I know the guy, some guy died suddenly, died suddenly.
	Yeah, he collapsed.
	That's her husband?
	Yes, yeah, heart attack, yes.
	Yes, which I'm sure was from chewing xylitol gum or something.
	Yeah, that's xylitol.
	Xylitol, that'll kill ya.
	Yeah, well, by the way, a lot of people sent me messages that the xylitol actually It's supposedly very good against weird viruses and stuff.
	That's probably why they want it done and out.
	It's got some sort of, yeah, it's got some sort of antiviral qualities.
	It also prevents, it's like, it does all kinds of weird things.
	It prevents tooth decay.
	It's a very strange sugar.
	Prevents tooth decay.
	All right, let's get into it because here we go again!
	We're going to begin this hour with the latest on a dangerous bird flu and concerns that the virus has the potential to become, here you go, the P word, pandemic.
	The P word, pandemic.
	Gayle, you're so on script, girl.
	The P word, pandemic.
	Yikes.
	Yikes!
	The H5N1 virus has already spread to dairy cows and a few humans.
	So far, there have been outbreaks in livestock in at least 12 states.
	Four cases have been reported in humans in three states.
	Four!
	Three people were exposed to infected cows and one person to infected poultry.
	CBS News medical contributor Dr. Celine Gounder is here.
	Hopefully she's going to make us feel better.
	Sort this out.
	Hey, Dr. Celine.
	I don't want to feel here we go again, but I remember when we first heard about COVID.
	I'm not comparing them.
	It's like if you weren't in China, hadn't been to China, don't worry about it.
	Bird flu, there was just one case.
	Don't worry about it.
	Nothing to see here.
	And now the numbers seem to be climbing up.
	At what point do we start worrying?
	Oh, we're gonna go from status concern to status worrying.
	What really concerns us is how do you develop a pandemic flu?
	It's where you have... In the lab, where it always happens!
	Two different strains of the virus, so a bird flu and a human flu mixing.
	What?
	Sort of swapping body parts, kind of like Frankenstein.
	It's when you get the... Hold on a second!
	This is not... I was not aware of this process.
	Franken-flu?
	So we just mix up some bird poops?
	This is the thesis about getting two things at once or being vaxxed and then getting it and then it mutates.
	This is a...
	I think a lot of people would call it crackpot theory, but there's some... Yeah, this is actual conspiracy theory here.
	Because most of the real flu, screwball flus, come from China, where they're mixing ducks and pigs and cows.
	Oh, pangolins and bats.
	Pangolins and bats.
	Pinning on China again.
	Alright.
	All right, but now it's mixing up body parts.
	So it's where you have two different strains of the virus, so a bird flu and a human flu mixing, sort of swapping body parts, kind of like Frankenstein.
	It's when you get those Frankenstein flus that you get a pandemic.
	Did Frankenstein swap body parts with someone?
	I don't remember that.
	No, no, Dr. Frankenstein went to the graveyard.
	Right, and Frankenstein was, well, maybe she's talking about the doctor, not the name of the monster.
	Well, that's a common mistake.
	Swapping body parts, kind of like Frankenstein.
	It's when you get those Frankenstein flus that you get a pandemic.
	You have humans, the dairy farm workers, who are currently getting birds.
	Yeah, that's how you get a pandemic.
	You mix up some body parts, like Frankenstein, the Franken-flu, then you got a pandemic.
	So she's describing the lab process here.
	As far as I can tell.
	Yeah, you mix this with that, get those five little... Frankenstein worked in a lab.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	It's when you get those Frankenstein flus that you get a pandemic.
	You have humans, the dairy farm workers, who are currently getting bird flu.
	We have regular flu season coming up in a couple months.
	That's when the danger could really emerge for that kind of pandemic.
	But just the fact that they're even using the word pandemic at this stage.
	They're concerned about it.
	It's very triggering to all of us.
	It is triggering, but imagine six months before COVID.
	If we had taken steps then.
	If we could have avoided what all happened.
	I mean, that was painful for a couple years there.
	We need to pre-flatten the curve.
	I think we need to get ahead of this.
	And we need to have mail-in ballots before the election.
	Just to make sure that we don't, because this is it.
	This could be a variation of the script.
	We've got to shelter in place so that we don't spread this.
	John, I just can't help thinking, but they are pushing it.
	They're gonna trigger it.
	We're just missing a few elements.
	Okay, so if you're hearing about bird flu and farmers, to most people seems like they're very isolated.
	Yeah.
	How quickly, how widely can this spread?
	Well, flu is highly infectious, so if we're dealing with a pandemic flu, then it's generally spread person to person through the respiratory route.
	So far, what we're seeing, we think, is most of the transmission is occurring through the milk, through equipment or other items that are contaminated with milk, and then from cow to cow.
	But we don't have a great handle on exactly how things are being transmitted.
	We have some theories, but without testing enough, it's very hard to hone in on it.
	This is exactly the thing.
	It's very hard to hone in without testing.
	I think that's the next step.
	We're going to do testing, testing, testing, testing.
	We need to get ahead of this with testing.
	It's a bonanza.
	Some friends of mine are in that business.
	They're so smart.
	They made out on the testing business.
	They were testing.
	They're going to make out again.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I want a piece of the action.
	So one of the missteps of the last pandemic was we perhaps didn't get out in front of it early enough.
	What are we doing now to prepare?
	Should this become something we need to worry about?
	Good question.
	That's a great question.
	So how do you incentivize?
	Oh no!
	That's your cue.
	That's not a great question!
	We need to worry about it.
	Good question.
	Oh, it's a great question.
	So, you know, how do you incentivize people to get tested?
	That's really the situation we're in right now.
	So how do you incentivize testing of cows?
	How do you incentivize- With money!
	Testing of milk?
	How do you incentivize testing of people?
	With money!
	So the USDA has a program, a compensation program for the farmers so that they have less of an economic hit if there are infected cows on the farm.
	So far that hasn't led to a lot more testing.
	And they only are required to test if they're moving cows over state borders.
	So they could be moving them within the state, there's no testing requirement.
	In terms of the farm workers, a lot of them are undocumented.
	And so they don't want to be on any kind of government roster, database, whatever.
	So unless you kind of, you address their immigration deportation fears, they're probably not going to want to get tested.
	Oh, well, that's interesting.
	Oh, that's a switcheroo.
	That's being what they're saying.
	What she's saying is, you know, because they're afraid because they're undocumented.
	So let's legalize all the 12 million immigrants that Biden let in.
	And then we won't have a problem.
	We can stop this in the bud.
	That's interesting.
	I interrupt this flow of clips for this clip from lawyer Brad Bernstein.
	Update on Biden's new immigration laws.
	CBS News is reporting Biden's gonna make the big announcement Tuesday, June 18th at a big White House ceremony.
	And here's the announcement.
	Anyone who's been in the United States for more than 10 years, if they entered without inspection and are married to a U.S.
	citizen, will be granted a parole in place, which is a document that will allow them to file an adjustment of status application to get their green card, their work permit, And we have to do it because we need them to be honest about their bird flu status.
	will announce waivers for people who are living unlawfully in the United States to obtain H-1B visas, O visas, E visas, and other employment-based non-immigrant work visas.
	And we have to do it because we need them to be honest about their bird flu status.
	Genius.
	That is tricky.
	And also they can vote.
	Of course!
	And, and, I have it.
	NOAAGEN official bird flu tester.
	T-shirts, hoodies, caps.
	Make it look official.
	Bird flu testing, pre-pandemic team.
	Come on, people.
	Work with me here.
	So are you feeling that if we're not in contact with farm workers or farm animals or farm equipment that... Or drinking raw milk.
	Yeah, or drinking raw milk.
	That we don't have to worry about it?
	Is that what you're thinking?
	Well, in the immediate term, and there are ongoing tests.
	Can you stop the clip for a second?
	Yeah.
	So do you, has any one of these journalists actually said the following or asked the following questions of any of these people?
	So how many documented cases of somebody getting bird flu from raw milk have you discovered or uncovered or even suspected?
	I have not found any evidence of this question.
	Which, by the way, might qualify as a great question.
	Well, it's an obvious question to me, because you're asking, they keep bringing it up.
	Why does one of these quote-unquote journalists ask the obvious question?
	Because it's a given.
	It's a given.
	It's just a given at this point.
	Yeah, now they've made it a given.
	But no.
	A new mini-series by Adam Curry and John C. DeVora, The Given.
	Could be contaminated.
	That we don't have to worry about it?
	Is that what you're thinking?
	Well, in the immediate term, and there are ongoing tests of milk, for example, because depending on how much virus is in the milk supply, pasteurization may continue to be good enough, it may not.
	Woah!
	Woah!
	Pasteurization may not work if there's too much virus in the milk supply.
	This is highly unscientific in my book.
	Pasteurization.
	Just make it up as you go along, people.
	Make it up.
	Continue to be good enough?
	It may not.
	And so there's ongoing testing to make sure, is that adequate?
	But if you do get one of those Frankenstein flus, where you have a combination of a bird flu and a human flu, and that's still possible, that's when all of us really start to get worried.
	Get worried.
	Get worried.
	Another t-shirt.
	Get worried.
	I'm making it up as we go along.
	Get worried, bird flu is here.
	Get worried, bird flu is here.
	No, I want to be a part of the testing unit because then you can just have some swabs, walk down the street with an official looking shirt and say, excuse me, um, I think you need to be tested.
	You seem to have, you drink raw milk.
	Okay.
	Um, you know, even pasteurization may not work.
	So we need to test you.
	It'll be $10.
	It's on the spot.
	Does that include the phrase that take off your top?
	Who was that guy?
	Was it Ugly George?
	Remember that guy in New York?
	He used to walk around in the days of early cable.
	He had a whole rig, like a satellite dish on his head and a backpack.
	And he would go up to women on the street and say, and he was ugly too.
	He said, yeah, I want to do an interview with you.
	You're beautiful.
	And you take him up to his apartment or go to their apartment with his, his space rig.
	And he'd get him to take the top off.
	Cable was great back in the days of Channel J. Back in the day.
	The days of Channel J in New York.
	So there you have it.
	Be prepared because they're going to try and pull something.
	Just be on the lookout, producers of the No Agenda Show.
	Be on the lookout for Johns Hopkins numbers.
	Be on the lookout for refrigeration trucks.
	Be on the lookout for a face.
	We need a face.
	We need a new Fauci.
	We need one.
	Someone who can careen, you know, Hmm.
	Hey, could we put a lab coat on on the Rear Admiral?
	What's his name?
	Kirby?
	Rachel Levine?
	No, Kirby.
	Can we turn him into?
	Kirby.
	Kirby's enough of a stooge and a sellout and a kind of an embarrassment to the Navy.
	And he's DOD.
	Yeah, he's DOD.
	Yeah, DOD.
	Crank up Operation Warp Speed 2?
	Hmm?
	I mean, we should be in the Situation Room.
	We tell these guys how to do it.
	We tell these guys how to do it.
	Well, they're doing it their way.
	Well, hurry up already.
	These clips are annoying.
	We need to get there faster.
	All right, what else we got here?
	I got a Gaza update.
	Let's get that out of the way.
	Okay, a Gaza update, yes.
	The Israeli military says eight soldiers died in an explosion in southern Gaza today, the second deadliest attack on Israeli forces of the war.
	In Gaza, families are preparing for a bleak Eid al-Adha tomorrow, one of the most important festivals in the Muslim calendar.
	It's usually celebrated with big family meals and gifts for children.
	But this year, there's only war, hunger, and misery.
	The holiday marks the end of the Hajj, which peaked today with nearly 2 million Muslims gathering on a sacred hill in Saudi Arabia for a day of worship.
	The Hill of Mercy is believed to be the site of the Prophet Muhammad's final speech, known as the Farewell Sermon.
	That was more detailed than most other reports.
	Yeah, I wasn't too bad, but that's all I've got.
	I do have a new segment you introduced last show, which is kind of our anti-gay news.
	I didn't introduce any anti-gay segment.
	Well, it seemed like it to me.
	Oh, I have this clip too.
	What, the U-turn clip?
	Yeah, yeah, we'll play it.
	It's a great clip.
	It's a great clip.
	L.A.
	City Council members Hugo Soto-Martinez and Nithya Raman were on hand today to help remove the signs.
	They say the no cruising and no U-turn signs were put up in the 1990s to prevent people in the gay community from meeting up with other gay people.
	I was also surprised that these, um, these U-turn signs were still, uh, up.
	And at first, you know, they seem a little, um, oh, okay, it's just a no U-turn sign.
	But when you learn the history of it, and you realize that these were used to profile gay people, it's so important that we have these removed.
	The L.A.
	City Council members say the signs were put up after the gay community began to grow, and because there was a gay bar in that area.
	You know, I'm not sure what this was promoting.
	Well, whatever it was promoting, I wanted to ask a question of you.
	According to the guy who comes on and does the little color, he says, you know, it turns out if you look at the history, the no U-turn sign was a way of profiling gays.
	How?
	Oh, well... I mean... Is it because somebody stared and pointed at the U-turn and said, hey, we can't make a U-turn?
	No.
	I mean, how do you... It says no U-turn.
	Did you hear?
	So you're driving along... Hold on a second.
	Hold on a second.
	It was because of cruising because there was a gay bar in the neighborhood and they didn't want people cruising.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So how does a no u-turn sign profile gays?
	Oh, it doesn't profile them.
	It just stops them.
	That's what he said?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, I understand.
	Here's my question.
	Why was there a six-foot transvestite?
	What's the word?
	What's the show?
	You're on... what?
	Yeah, you know, a seven-foot dude dressed like a woman.
	You're on your own.
	Yeah, yeah, I keep forgetting the name.
	Dude in a dress.
	No, from the Story Hour.
	Story Hour!
	Drag Queen Story Hour.
	Drag Queen, thank you.
	RuPaul, thanks Troll Room.
	No, yeah.
	No, this guy would not be on RuPaul.
	Had no panache.
	Why was he there?
	No, because you had the effeminate talking guy, but then you had this dude in a wig taking down the U-turn sign.
	Why?
	There was no drag show there.
	I find the whole thing to be idiotic.
	It's virtue signaling.
	But the worst thing, did you see the video or did you just get the clip?
	No, I saw the video.
	Did you see when that guy was talking about the profiling, on the banner behind him it said, Baby Gay.
	And I wonder what that is.
	Oh, you haven't seen Baby Gay?
	No.
	There's a bunch of these gay couples that have They adopt a baby, and they usually refer to him as Baby Gay, and they dress him up in pink, and they just do all these gay things with him.
	And it's called Baby Gay.
	I think there was a book that was written called Baby Gay.
	Hmm, okay.
	Why was it on a banner?
	Because they're so happy about it.
	I don't know.
	This was a promotional idea.
	We don't have enough information.
	This sign takedown was some promotion of something and it didn't work, clearly, because we don't know what the promotion was for.
	There was a whole banner, a backdrop, there was all kinds of stuff going on.
	I agree.
	We were just shooting at the wind.
	Shooting at the wind.
	Shooting blanks.
	Shooting blanks over here.
	Australia is often ahead of things.
	We can take the temperature of what's coming to the rest of the world by seeing what happens in Australia.
	Would you agree that's a reasonably fair statement?
	I think... I would... I'm not going to argue with it because you have a point to make, but I will say that I think a lot of it is just rank experimentation to see how far people can be pushed.
	Well, bingo.
	You nailed it.
	Your buddy from Australia, Elmer Fudd, You introduced him to us, Elmer.
	Yes, Elmer Fudd.
	Peter Dutton.
	He's the Premier.
	Well, he's running.
	Prime Minister.
	He's the Prime Minister.
	Yes, well I guess there's elections coming up and he is now saying, if you elect me, I will make a law that children under 16 cannot go on social media.
	This is the trend and of course what I'm looking for in this trend is how do we actually police it?
	Because you can't just trust parents.
	That's no good.
	The children belong to the state.
	So how do they police it?
	And the interesting thing about this is that his opposition in this election is all for it.
	So... Oh no, the Australians are weird that way.
	Somebody comes up with a crackpot idea on the one side of the aisle and the other side, yeah!
	How does that work?
	It doesn't happen in this country, it never has.
	Here's a super clip.
	Both major political parties throw their support behind the idea of banning under 16 year olds from social media.
	The coalition's been out in the past few days saying it would do this within its first 100 days of a future coalition government.
	Mr Dutton is promising to roll out an age verification system across the country.
	Just applaud Peter Dutton for taking such a firm stand on this.
	Tell us how your system would work.
	Well I think it's best to look at it from a parent's perspective and parents want some rules in place and I think we say to people who are really having a tough conversation with their kids at the moment that it's going to be easier if we have a law that says in the conversation when you're talking to your kids that you can't be on these platforms until you're 16.
	That's the law.
	I for one want to see our children live safely.
	We've got all kinds of rules around what can be printed, what can be on television at certain times of the day, movie ratings, and yet social media is a free-for-all.
	Here's the Prime Minister speaking on this issue yesterday.
	Social media is having a negative impact on young people.
	I want people to spend more time on the footy field or the netball court than they're spending on their phones.
	I just think given the exposure that we see young kids get now online, it's a huge and confronting world out there.
	And a ban, if it can be effective, is a good way to go.
	I couldn't agree with you more.
	I think most people would.
	Look, it sounds great.
	I think every parent around the country will be nodding.
	13 is young, but you could also argue 16 is too.
	How do you put an age on it?
	That's a wonderful question.
	Because if I had it my way, it'd be 18.
	Questions remain over how it would be enforced.
	The Prime Minister has been pointing to work that's already underway on age verification techniques.
	We have a huge capacity here within our system.
	The technology is much better than it was five years ago.
	One is kind of a digital token that you would acquire by having ID that would prove your birth date that you could then take to social media platforms to prove your age.
	Another is facial recognition to determine somebody's age is appropriate.
	But you simply Look at your phone screen or upload a video selfie of yourself and an algorithm can essentially work out how old you are.
	Look, I reckon they can do it.
	I reckon they can do it in a canter because they know exactly what we're talking about.
	They know what products to sell to whoever.
	They seem to ban all sorts of information streams they don't like.
	So they can't tell me that their technology isn't up to doing this.
	I think there are a number of ways in which we can do it.
	Is it perfect?
	No.
	Is there an option to do nothing?
	I just don't think that is a responsible course of action.
	I hope that this is an issue where the Prime Minister and I can work together.
	And if we show that bipartisanship, I think it sends a very clear message to the companies as well that we're serious about this.
	You're absolutely right, John.
	They just push crazy things.
	See what people will accept?
	And I think this is going to happen.
	Well, with Elmer Fudd, that guy, he was, when he first got in, he went into a big deal, made a big deal about memes that involved him.
	Yep.
	And of course, that triggered everybody to do one.
	And he has the CIA lady.
	Right, he's got the CIA spook.
	And so the next thing you know, this country's out of control.
	It's no sweat off my balls.
	I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on your agenda in the morning.
	Yeah, alert the affiliates.
	We're running a little bit late.
	We gotta wrap this show up.
	I mean, we have lots of stuff to talk about, but you... We do, but we're wrapping it, and it's 11.30 here, and I still have to find dinner, which I'm sure will be... Alex, you should get room service.
	Ah, room service.
	Yes, room service.
	Okay.
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	That is how Value for Value works.
	John, take us through to 50.
	Well, okay, now we have a lot of, uh, uh, this is gonna be a little longer than usual because we have to thank the dads.
	Yes.
	This is the Father's Day show.
	So starting with Kenneth Lusty in Tomahawk, Wisconsin, $130.03.
	This is a Father's Day switcheroo for my old man, the anonymous spirit of the Northwoods.
	Love ya, Dad!
	Roger Roundy, our old buddy there in DC area, in Alexandria, Virginia to be exact.
	Came in with $105.35.
	Watched my new YouTube comedy channel, Ask America with Edgar.
	Oh, that's actually pretty funny.
	Yeah, it's kind of like, it's a different take on the talking dog.
	What is it?
	Toonsis?
	No, who was it?
	The cat, the cat in the corner.
	The cat, yeah, the cat in the corner.
	No, also, the dog, the dog that would be smoking the cigar.
	Oh, yeah, the insult comic.
	Insult comic dog.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Triumph is the dog's name.
	Triumph, yes, yes, that's it.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	Okay, well, it's at YouTube.com slash, slash, or slash, at sign, Ask America with Edgar.
	Lucas Williams in Roswell, New Mexico, $100.
	Evgeny Damoskine, Damoskine, maybe, in Boston, Massachusetts, $91 for my dad.
	Kevin McLaughlin, there he is, Concord, North Carolina, 8008.
	Boobs for Dad.
	Sir Doherty in Stevens City, Virginia, 7777.
	Happy Father's Day, Sir Not Jake.
	Sir Stuart, 6493.
	To my dad, Ken Walton, 23 years ago.
	You died unfortunately on Father's Day.
	Yikes.
	Playing golf.
	Doing something else.
	6493.
	That's at least one way to go.
	He liked golf.
	Bogeyed the hole.
	No!
	Cory Santella.
	It has to be.
	6493.
	These are all Father's Day donations.
	Marvin Santaia.
	Santaia.
	Santaia.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Dad, for not only all your guidance through this thing we call life, but also introducing me to the best podcast.
	Ah, Dad.
	Good old man.
	Alina Avvarvari at $64.93.
	This is a call out to Sebastian.
	Thank you for being a loving, hard-working, and playful father.
	Dame Jamie, $64.93.
	Happy Father's Day to Sir Mad Hatter!
	Ah, yes.
	Alexandra Miller, 6160, which is the Father's Day donations, to be exact.
	Happy Father's Day, Brad!
	Raising boys who have the courage to question their woke, brainwashed teachers has been the greatest adventure I've ever saw coming!
	Yes!
	Nice!
	Yeah, well.
	Scott Riley, 6160, happy Father's Day to Baron Stephen of the Big Horn Basin.
	Paulie McClure, 6162.
	Mark McClure, Happy Father's Day to my handsome hub of 20 years who has been an incredible dad to our beautiful children.
	Kyle 3, $60.
	Sir Chris Abraham in Arlington, Virginia, another Arlington dweller, $58.93.
	Happy Father's Day.
	My beloved 58-year-old dad, Bob, died of a heart attack during sex while covered in a whipped cream on top of his mistress in 1995.
	Well, I guess that's another way to go.
	He ends with winning.
	Is that really true, Sir Chris?
	That's funny.
	Well, anything's possible.
	And who discovered the body is the question.
	It's called Died in the Saddle.
	Yeah, that's right, that's right.
	Died in the Saddle.
	What a way to go!
	James Edmondson in South Plainfield, New Jersey.
	5510.
	Another Sir Chris in Soxie, Texas.
	5533.
	Another Sir Chris in Sachse?
	What is this?
	Sachse?
	Sachse?
	Texas?
	I'm not familiar with that.
	I'm not familiar.
	I don't know.
	Kenning Russell in Winchester, New Hampshire.
	$50.49.
	Now we get to the $50 donors.
	Just name and location, unless there's a call out.
	There's only one I can see.
	Starting with Diane Schwannbach in Johnsburg, Illinois.
	Christian Freeman in San Marcos, Texas.
	Kevin Dills in Huntersville, North Carolina.
	Chris Lewinsky in Sherwood Park, LA.
	Alberta, that's Sir Chris.
	Michael Thompson in New Brownfells, Texas.
	Philip Ballou in Louisville, Kentucky.
	Michael Peratt in Salem, Oregon.
	Easy Landscapes in North Stonington, Connecticut.
	And by the way, Bad Idea Supply got called out by my wife.
	Oh?
	She says, Bad Idea Supply, and you look it up, just look up Bad Idea Supply.
	Where are they?
	She says, we own their gear!
	What?
	They make incinerators and heavy metal backyard fireplaces.
	Is this what you do with the bodies?
	Is that what you do with the bodies?
	That's what it looks like.
	If you see some of their stuff, they have some tremendously attractive, it's not cheap, but tremendously attractive, what I'd call glamorized burn barrels.
	Hmm.
	Bad idea supply.
	Where are they?
	Oh, they're in Idaho or Kansas or something.
	No, I mean, where are they on the donation list?
	They're not on today's.
	Just Easy Landscapes reminded me of that callout I got.
	Yeah, where are they?
	I think they got sick of not getting their promotion.
	Brian Warden's up next.
	He's in Cumming, Georgia.
	He came in with a 50 and he says, It was overboard, Jobs car for his wife, he wants your dream job, where's the, where's the, call it to dad, I don't see it.
	No, well, no, he says, she got her dream job, dream job the day after the show, my dad suddenly died from the flu.
	He says, capital, THE FLU.
	Yeah.
	Then he turned 50 on the same weekend.
	And so he needs a Jobs car, we'll do that at the end for you, brother.
	Brian Warden in Cumming, Georgia, 50, Baroness Knight.
	Baroness Dame Night, to be specific, in Edmonds, Washington.
	Sir Spud the Mighty in Marietta, Georgia.
	Leanne Shipley in Covington, Washington.
	And last on our list is Sir Jerry Wingenroth in Saugus, California.
	These people all are To be thanked for helping produce show 1669.
	Yes, and I think it was actually more dad donations than I thought.
	More dad messages.
	I want to read a couple down further on the list.
	There is a for David Martin's best dad and pops around from Kayla, which I'm sure was meant to be read.
	And that's the only one.
	All right.
	Well, thank you, producers.
	Thank you, producers, for your treasure.
	Thank you, executive and associate executive producers.
	Thank you, meetup producers.
	Thank you, producers, for your time and your talent.
	Value for Value works.
	Keep us going.
	Four more years!
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	NoAgendaDonations.com, become a producer today!
	And we start off by congratulating Caroline Dierenberg.
	She celebrated on June 5th, while Alvaz turns 38 tomorrow.
	Maggie Teindorf wished her smoking hot Canadian husband, Mark, a happy birthday.
	He'll be celebrating on the 20th.
	And Douglas Murray wishes his mom, Jerry, a happy birthday.
	We say happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe.
	It's your first day.
	T-T-T-T-T-T-T-Title changes.
	Turn and face the slate.
	Nice changes.
	Don't want to be a douche fan.
	One title change today.
	It is Dame Ellen of the Dream Realm, and thanks to her additional support, aggregate $1,000, she becomes a Baronetess.
	Welcome to your upped peerage, Dame Ellen.
	Thank you very much.
	We have a couple of knights and one dame, and the dame is a layaway dame, and she has a note here.
	She is Chez Delaine.
	I typed this email with great excitement.
	My most recent subscription donation has put me over the threshold for damehood.
	I've been a listener for over 12 years now.
	Listen up.
	You can become a knight or a dame.
	12 years now, and this is long overdue.
	Sadly, my financial situation made it impossible for me to become a non-douchebag dame until recently.
	I've received a de-douching, but honestly, I feel I could never donate enough to make up for all these years.
	Value for value works this way.
	Whatever is worth to you is all good.
	We appreciate it.
	So the subscription will continue for as long as my finances allow it.
	Gentlemen, I'm sorry I couldn't do this till now, but I would like you to know just how much I appreciate the best podcasts in the multiverse and the two of you.
	May you never find an exit strategy and always know happiness.
	Thank you for your courage.
	I wish to be known as Dame Shadalaine of the Meadows.
	There's already plenty of food and drinks at the roundtable, so I humbly request heavy metal, music, and video games.
	Um, here's a P.S.
	Request a job in Relationship Karma with my executive producer donation.
	You gave me double up karma and worked for the jobs.
	I received two job offers.
	Hey, how about that?
	Double up, two job offers.
	Crossing my fingers for the Relationship Karma as well.
	Sorry for the long note.
	It's highly unlikely you will read it on the show, so I got wordy.
	Well, that shows you, doesn't it?
	And Steve Del Rosso is a layaway knight.
	Adam and John, I'd like to redeem the sustaining donations from myself, Sir Del, previous instant knight, and my father, Steve Del Rosso.
	By my math and the accounting below, this pushes Steve handily over the line to become a knight of the show.
	Please deem him Sir Del the Elder, with a quick modification of my own to Sir Del the Younger.
	No agenda has been a terrific source of conversation between us, and this is fitting as he was one to hit me in the mouth.
	If you would be so kind to call out Ben as a douchebag as well.
	Choke out!
	Whoops.
	Uh, where's my douchebag?
	There it is.
	Douchebag!
	Done.
	There you go.
	Sir Delta here.
	Hey, there's a lot going on here in the hotel room.
	Uh, so let's bring him up here.
	Let's get everybody ready.
	There's my blade.
	If you can bring out yours.
	There you go.
	I'm careful because it's Dane.
	I don't want to make any trouble.
	Up on the podium, please, if you don't mind, Shea DeLayne, Pim Interim, Douglas Murray, Sir Digi—uh, Steve Del Rosso.
	There you go.
	We got three and one lady.
	Let me count them.
	Yep, we're all good.
	I'm very proud to pronounce K.B.
	as the following titles Dame Shea DeLayne of the Meadows.
	Sir Pim and Sir Digitop of the Sharp Shovel, along with Sir Del the Elder.
	For you, we've got Hocus and Blow, Rent Boys and Chardonnay, Heavy Metal Music and Video Games, Rattlesnake and Eggs with Mezcal, we've got Diet Soda and Video Games, just to add to it, Rubinous Women and Rosé, Vong Hits and Bourbon, Sparkling Cider and Escorts, Ginger Ale and Gerbils, we have Breast Milk and Pablimentum, Mutton and Mead.
	One of our producers here, um...
	Came up to me yesterday and said, Here you go!
	I don't have the hookers, but here's the blow.
	And he gave me a big, like, baggie of flour with a straw.
	It was pretty funny.
	At least I presume it was flour.
	Because I didn't take it home with me.
	Hmm.
	Congratulations!
	New Knight and New Dame.
	Go to NoAgendaRings.com.
	You will find a sizing guide there, which you can use to send us your proper ring size.
	Take the time to do it.
	Some people get over-enthusiastic and just go, just give me the ring.
	No, no, take your time.
	They're custom.
	We make sure you have the right size.
	And it comes with wax to seal your important correspondence and, of course, a certificate of authenticity.
	All welcome to the No Agenda Roundtable of the Knights and Dames.
	know what gender meetups and I can confirm once again it is indeed like a party and connection always gives you protection I saw it for myself here at the No Agenda Amsterdam meetup, and the same goes for the Kansas City meetup.
	They have a report for us.
	Oh, it's promo!
	Happy Father's Day, No Agenda Nation.
	This is Sir Spencer Wolfe of Kansas City inviting you to another KC Meetup.
	Join us Sunday, June 23rd for another Summer Park BBQ.
	We'll be meeting up at Wyandotte County Park in Bonner Springs at 3.33 p.m.
	A few lucky attendees will win a book by Viscount of America's Mountain, M. Andrew Jones.
	For details and directions, RSVP over at noagendameetups.com.
	You have, uh...
	I think you might have the bird flu.
	You've been blowing your nose throughout the whole show.
	Hey!
	Well, you're the one doing it.
	I got the bird flu, but I haven't got conjunctivitis, so I don't have it.
	So it's something else.
	It's called the infected sinus.
	It's very unprofessional, is what it is.
	I wasn't able to... I was in the other room!
	You have no idea how loud that comes through.
	Every single time you blow your nose, the troll room is counting.
	They have to take a drink.
	They're hammered now.
	Twice!
	Meetups!
	Well, today the TMI EVAC Zone Goats Munching Melons Meetup is underway at Evergreen Brewing in Camp Hill, Pennsylvania.
	On Thursday, the 20th, Tucson Summer Solstice Soiree at 4 p.m.
	at Canyon's Crown in Tucson, Arizona.
	Also on Thursday, the North Georgia Monthly Meetup, 6 o'clock at Cherry Street Brewing in Alpharetta, Georgia.
	The Denver Summer Salsa Strawberry Moon Meetup, 6.30 at City Park, Denver Museum of Nature and Science.
	They always seem to do it there.
	Denver, Colorado.
	And the Charlotte's Thirsty Third Thursday, 7 o'clock at Ed's Tavern in Charlotte, North Carolina.
	No one's ever in a fight at a No Agenda Meetup.
	There's never any angry words.
	Everyone has a good time.
	It doesn't matter where you come from, what your background is, it just works.
	Go to noagendameetups.com, find one near you.
	If you can't find one, it's very easy to start one and get listed yourself.
	No Agenda Meetups, where protection is connection, and it always puts the unity in community.
	Um... I think I might have a winner here.
	I have a couple of ISOs.
	With all the nights and days.
	You want to be where you want me.
	Triggered on hell's flame.
	You want to be where everybody feels the same.
	It's like a party.
	Um, I think I might have a winner here.
	I have a couple of ISOs for end of show.
	Shall I go first?
	Yes, you may as well.
	Right back at you, buddy.
	Hmm?
	No.
	Okay.
	Hey, stop S-talking this country.
	I was muddled muddy.
	Couldn't even hear that one, yeah.
	I think this would be the one.
	Hot damn, I love you guys!
	Come on, how's that?
	Well, you oversold it.
	Let's put it that way.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What you got?
	I mean, better than mine, but mine's a classic.
	I get the classic.
	I got a thank you.
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	And I got a true.
	It's true.
	It's true.
	I think mine is definitely better.
	I think that my thank you is better than your whatever.
	Hot damn, I love you guys.
	Hot damn, I love you guys?
	It's true.
	No, I think this.
	Hot damn, I love you guys.
	Come on.
	That's it.
	He loves us.
	Huh?
	Well, hoo-hoo what, hoo-hoo?
	Okay, okay, you can have it, but it's under advisement.
	Under advisement.
	And it's time for the Tip of the Week.
	Sometimes Adam.
	Time for the Tip of the Week.
	It's getting pretty popular.
	People are worried you won't be able to keep up the pace, but we are very excited.
	Oh, I can keep up the pace.
	That's what she said.
	Okay, I got a recommended website to go buy stuff at to compete with Amazon.
	And I should have known about this.
	I don't understand why I didn't.
	They have everything.
	You want a flannel shirt?
	Do you want underwear?
	Do you want a sports car?
	Do you want a robot lady?
	Hold on!
	This sounds too good to be true!
	AliExpress.
	ALI Express.
	It's a new Alibaba competitor to Amazon.
	It's worldwide.
	The EU is freaked out about it.
	You can find anything and some of the weirdest stuff you'll ever see, but they have everything.
	Every category of every sort of thing.
	Including the Bionic Beauty Robot, the Oriental Elegant Simulation Robot.
	She's $6,900, but most stuff is like... You priced her!
	Is it best price, though?
	Is it best price?
	It's gotta be.
	But meanwhile, shirts, $6.
	Here's a... We're on the front page here.
	Six bucks for a shirt, anything is always dirt... Everything is dirt cheap, except the Bionic Lady, which is probably still inexpensive.
	But Ali Express... Free shipping on everything!
	And now, John C. Dvorak with the tip of the day.
	Wow!
	ALI Express?
	Ali Express?
	ALI Express.
	You'll go nuts!
	You'll go nuts!
	That's a great tip of the day, John.
	Thank you.
	I can't wait to go nuts on Ali Express.
	And that wraps up episode 1669 of the best podcast in the universe.
	Coming up next on noagenda.stream, on your modern podcast app, pick one up at podcastapps.com, or in the troll room, trollroom.io, we've got Bulls and Buds on the way.
	A favorite on the stream.
	A lot of people come up to me and say, oh, I really like the stream.
	The stream is so good.
	We love the stream.
	So thank you, Bemrose and Cotton Gin, for keeping that rolling with 4-8-0.
	With bowls and buds?
	Bowls and buds, that's right.
	Does that compete with bowl after bowls?
	Not on the stream, it doesn't.
	They're never on at the same time.
	Coming to you from the heart of The airport, 11 feet under sea level, Schiphol Airport, Amsterdam, the Netherlands, in the morning everybody.
	We're here, it's almost really in the morning.
	I'm Adam Currie.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I'm actually 350 feet above sea level, I'm Johnson Dworak.
	Remember us at noagendadonations.com.
	We'll talk to you on Thursday.
	Adios, mofos, a-hooey-hooey, and such.
	Remember when he said the United States could be summed up in one word?
	America is a nation that can be defined in a single word.
	As far as Joe Biden speaking gaps, this might beat that.
	I thought he was scatting.
	I have a question for conspiracy theorists.
	If adrenochrome is real, how come it ain't helping Biden form a sentence?
	I have a question for conspiracy theorists.
	If Adrena Krohn is real, how come it ain't helping Biden form a sentence?
	Foothills of the Himalayas.
	Well, he didn't take his shot today.
	It's like having toilet paper on your shoe and no one tells you.
	And no one tells you.
	What a joke!
	Think about it!
	This might beat that.
	She knows so long as I see.
	But you're senile instead of that.
	America is a nation that can be defined in a single word.
	Let's get to the devil orgy.
	I thought he was scatting.
	He's doing Ella Fitzgerald, a little scat.
	Well, he didn't take his shot today.
	America is a nation that can be defined in a single word.
	I'm thinking of putting up a porn site.
	Yeah.
	No.
	No.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	No.
	You know.
	What?
	Yes.
	What happens?
	Nothing.
	It's true to have to my head.
	It is hard.
	Did everyone hear that?
	It's like this stuff.
	Podcasting is a grind.
	You have to earn every listener and every new team bars to, like every viewer, whatever.
	It is the utmost respect.
	I know you've been doing this a long time and you're like a queen in this space, but it is no joke.
	I'm thinking of putting up a porn site.
	I couldn't help it.
	It just popped in there.
	What?
	What just popped in there?
	It just showed up in my head.
	Stop this show.
	She's a queen in this space.
	A queen in this space.
	It's hard.
	It's a grind, John.
	We just make it look easy.

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