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	Okay, Frenchie.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak It's Sunday, July 9th, 2023 This is your award-winning Kimo Nation Media Assassination Episode 1571 This is No Agenda Activating your cameras and microphones and broadcasting live from the heart of the world Part of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA Region No. 6 in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where we're all wondering, why are cluster bombs a good idea?
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Crackpot and Buzzkill.
	In the morning.
	This has got to be the funniest news story of the week.
	Because it's not just cluster bombs.
	It's cluster bombs with a very low dud rate.
	Yes, that's right.
	I forgot the dud rate.
	They gotta go through the bomb cluster.
	How do you test?
	How do you test this, I'm asking?
	Well, let's listen to Adam Smith.
	You have to blow them all up to see what the dud rate was.
	This is Adam Smith, a Democrat from, I believe, Washington.
	I mean, in March last year, America's UN ambassador criticized Russia for its deployment of cluster munitions, saying they had no place on the battlefield.
	Quite an about turn by the Biden administration, this.
	The Russian cluster munitions have about a 30-40% dud rate.
	They're spreading unexploded ordnance all over Ukraine.
	The weapons that we are sending have a dud rate of just over 1%, which is a dramatic difference in the two weapons.
	Foam finger number one, baby!
	We got a dramatically lower dud rate!
	Except Washington has a very high dud rate.
	Washington, D.C.
	This is an unbelievable statistic.
	And why?
	And why?
	Oh, Adam Smith explains again on the BBC.
	Why do we have to send the oh-so-loved cluster bombs with low dud rate to Ukraine?
	We would much rather not have introduced this weapon, which is why we didn't do it until we got to the point where it was basically the only ammo that we have left to offer them.
	It's interesting you say that the only ammo we have left.
	I mean could it just be that this is a bridging operation and at such time where the United States is able to supply more shells to Ukraine these cluster munitions will not be necessary?
	Yes, thank you.
	Actually, I put that poorly, and you corrected me properly, and I appreciate that.
	We are in a gap.
	It's wrong to say that we don't have any other.
	They still have other ammunition.
	But at the current pace of battle, they will have to begin to severely restrict its use and eventually run out if these weapons aren't used.
	And the other thing that we are doing, all of our allies, the 53 nations that are working together on this, Bomb them, bomb them, and bomb them again!
	Yeah, baby!
	Oh, it's a way to force Russia to the peace table?
	would be to force russia to the peace table so we can end the war entirely bomb them bomb them and bomb them again yeah baby oh it's a way to force russia to the peace table you gotta force zelinski to the peace table i mean these things all we've ever heard is how horrible people are - How do you use these things?
	Somebody must have a clip of Jen Psaki when she was the press secretary saying that, according to the president, cluster bombs are a war crime.
	Oh, wow.
	I wish I had that.
	I don't think we have it.
	There's no reason to run that clip.
	I have McCain here for some reason.
	What's this McCain clip?
	When is this from?
	This is from 2015.
	Let's have a little listen.
	Again this week we've seen the skies over Donetsk.
	It's suspected that it could be incendiary munitions which international conventions ban from use in civilian populated areas.
	Back in July they were reportedly dropped on cities controlled by anti-government forces.
	Well, international observers have previously caught the Ukrainian army using prohibited weapons.
	The use of cluster bombs in populated areas was confirmed by the Human Rights in October.
	The Watchdogs report stressed this could amount to war crimes.
	But for some US politicians, Kiev's use of cluster bombs is justifiable.
	I think that if we would have provided them with the weapons they need, they wouldn't have had to use cluster bombs.
	It's partially our fault.
	It's the same thing!
	It's a repeat!
	It's a repeat!
	It's our fault, by the way.
	It's our fault.
	It's a repeat.
	We wouldn't have to give them cluster bombs if we'd give them more of everything else.
	Exactly what the guy from Washington said.
	Except that was 2015 and McCain was still alive.
	Yeah.
	Okay, let's listen to Jake Sullivan.
	What a bunch of douchebags.
	They were getting douchebags running our country.
	Well, now there's an astute observation.
	First, we base our security assistance decision on Ukraine's needs on the ground.
	They got needs on the ground, baby!
	And Ukraine needs artillery to sustain its offensive and defensive operations.
	Artillery is at the core of this conflict.
	Ukraine is firing thousands of rounds a day to defend against Russian efforts to advance and also to support its own efforts to retake its sovereign territory.
	We have provided Ukraine with a historic amount of unitary artillery rounds.
	Unitary artillery rounds?
	Doesn't sound like anything good.
	And we are ramping up to... Unitary.
	What he means is single.
	Single, yeah, not clustered.
	But he has to use the word unitary, whatever it was, unitary artillery bombs.
	And we are ramping up domestic production of these rounds.
	We've already seen substantial increases in production.
	But this process will continue to take time.
	And it will be critical to provide Ukraine with a bridge of supplies while our domestic production is ramped up.
	We will not leave Ukraine defenseless at any point in this conflict.
	So because – and we shouldn't even have these things, I guess, because, you know, it's mean to kill people in different ways.
	You know, unitary killing, fine.
	Cluster killing?
	Not good.
	So they've got all these excuses, and the main one is, well, we're out of ammo!
	Sorry!
	I hope no one wants to attack us!
	Second, Russia has been using cluster munitions since the start of this war to attack Ukraine.
	Oh.
	Russia's been using cluster munitions with high dud or failure rates of between 30 and 40 percent.
	High dud!
	Here we go again.
	High dud!
	In this environment, Ukraine has been requesting cluster munitions in order to defend its own sovereign territory.
	The cluster munitions that we would provide have dud rates far below what Russia is doing, is providing.
	Not higher than 2.5%.
	Wait a minute!
	It was 1%, now it's 2.5%?
	It was 1%, now it's 2.5%.
	I think we have a dud rate issue here.
	What is our actual dud rate?
	I think this should be the topic of conversation for the entire week.
	And third, we are closely coordinating with Ukraine as it has requested these munitions.
	Ukraine is committed to post-conflict demining- This is pathetic.
	Say what?
	I'm just saying.
	What?
	This whole discussion and the depth of it is pathetic.
	These things should be- I'm totally- We're like one of the two or three countries in the world that refuse to sign a treaty that's never used these weapons because they're junk.
	They're duds.
	And they're bad for civilian populations, and the dud rate, no matter what it is, there's a bunch of duds that other people step on, like, like mines.
	Well, this, this... And... Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	And?
	What?
	No, you were saying, and?
	Oh, I said it... Oh, did I get cut off?
	Yeah, I guess so.
	Ukraine is committed to post-conflict demining efforts to mitigate any potential harm to civilians.
	And this will be necessary regardless of whether the United States provides these munitions or not because of Russia's widespread use of cluster munitions.
	They use cluster munitions, so we can use cluster munitions.
	There's a lot of information going on about these cluster munitions.
	Here's CBS.
	Terrifying, lethal, and highly effective.
	Ukraine is no stranger to cluster bombs.
	That's right.
	Both sides have been accused of deploying them since Russia launched its invasion.
	But they did it first.
	With devastating effect.
	It's a weapon that breaks up mid-air as it approaches its target, ejecting a number of smaller explosives, or bomblets, scattering indiscriminately across an area that can stretch to the size of several football fields.
	Most of those explosives detonate, but not all, posing a threat to the civilian population long after the war is ending, especially children.
	Here in Kharkiv, investigators have built a mountain of Russian munitions and evidence of their use as civilian areas.
	Evidence!
	Evidence!
	These are just some of the Russian cluster bombs that have been recovered here in the Kharkiv region and this... Dude, are we in middle school?
	I mean, that's what... Look, I have evidence that they used the bomblets, so we can use the bomblets.
	As an example of a detonated bomblet, which would have been packed with explosives.
	Somehow, bomblet just doesn't sound like it could take your leg off or anything, does it?
	It's like, yes, it's a bomblet.
	It's like an omelette with a... Each one of them's a hand grenade, basically.
	Ukraine says it needs the help in a stalled counter-offensive against entrenched Russian troops.
	Stalled?
	Backing the White House.
	Stop the clip!
	How come this isn't being discussed more?
	I didn't hear it was a stalled counter-offensive.
	It was stalled?
	Because they were waiting for the bomblets.
	The dud rate was too high.
	Stalled.
	This is bold because they told us it was well underway.
	Part of the drones was part of the offensive.
	Then the... Remember that crazy brigade that all of a sudden had a media event?
	And all the journalists... Not Wagner.
	No, no, that wasn't Wagner.
	It was... There was some other brigade.
	You're right.
	Asimov.
	No, no, no, no.
	It was yet another... Isaac Asimov.
	No, the Asimov... The Asimov guys are gone.
	There's nothing left of them.
	Usives.
	Ukraine says it needs the help in a stalled counter-offensive against entrenched Russian troops.
	Backing the White House's argument that the use of the controversial weapons is on Ukraine's watch.
	Ukraine would not be using these munitions in some foreign land.
	This is their country they're defending.
	These are their citizens they're protecting.
	The prosecutor's office told us tonight the Ukrainian military will have to do all it can to avoid their use in urban areas.
	Now this latest aid package, $800 million, brings the U.S.
	total to more than $41 billion since the invasion began.
	Bullcrap.
	I'm sick and tired of these numbers.
	I've counted over $140 billion.
	This is not true.
	Oh, now it's only 40?
	No!
	We've been giving them so much.
	It's 37, it's 800 million a pop.
	It's bomblets, we got a dud rate of 1.
	Bomblets, we're getting bomblets now.
	What do we have, a bunch of stockpile of these things?
	What are we doing with them?
	Well, NBC meet the press had a two-parter.
	Courtney, explain to me, what about these cluster bombs make them so controversial and how soon can we see them in Ukraine?
	Well, unlike other bombs, these kill people.
	So it's the dud rate is really the problem here.
	It's the dud rate!
	More than a hundred have actually outlawed these munitions.
	So what that means is these are a munition that when it explodes it releases a bunch of small little bombs or munitions.
	They're often called bomblets.
	They have two main missions.
	One is anti-armor.
	I'd like a truck stop bomblet please.
	So it's a shape charge that essentially can pierce an up-armored vehicle.
	The other is anti-personnel.
	Ooh, that's a new term.
	An up-armored vehicle.
	Not just armored vehicle, an up-armored vehicle.
	This is some warfare talk we're getting here from NBC Meet the Press.
	Two main missions.
	One is anti-armor, so it's a shape charge that essentially can pierce an up-armored vehicle.
	The other is anti-personnel.
	That is what we often hear the military talking about, frags, or fragmentation.
	Essentially, those are the munitions that explode into even smaller pieces.
	Think about that when it impacts a body, Ryan.
	Of course, it has the potential to injure or kill anyone in its path.
	So, these munitions, when they release these bomblets, depending on the type of cluster munitions, some of them have a very high dud rate, meaning that the bomblets don't immediately explode.
	These have the potential to cause catastrophic destruction to someone, a civilian, even a child, who may stumble upon them.
	A child!
	Oh, hello!
	Oh, hold on a second.
	NBC, meet the press, hold the press.
	Bomblets might be bad for children's health.
	Weeks, months, even years later.
	That's one of the reasons that human rights groups and many nations have condemned the use of these sorts of in the battlefield.
	Now I should say, the U.S.
	says that the version that they're going to send has a very low dud rate.
	Somewhere in the neighborhood of one and a half to about two and a half percent.
	Now what is it?
	Um, as opposed to some of the other ones that we've seen, according to the U.S., the ones that the Russians are using, have somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 to 40 percent.
	Oh, yeah, Russian bomblets are crap.
	All right?
	They're the— Those Russians don't know what they're doing.
	They're the dangerous ones.
	They make crap.
	Yeah.
	The bomblets are turning the frags gay.
	I mean, this is an insane discussion they're having.
	They're just cavalierly discussing weapons that are outlawed by a hundred countries.
	But, you know.
	It's for Ukraine!
	Yeah, and Courtney, you mentioned that there are other countries who are opposed to the use of this type of weapon.
	Some of them are NATO countries, and of course the President is going to be with some of these NATO countries next week.
	Will he get some pushback from these countries?
	No.
	No, because he has a 100% dud rate.
	There's no problem.
	Decision?
	And not just NATO countries, but I mean, we're talking about the closest US allies who are part of NATO, who are opposed to the use of these weapons.
	Now, the US, before they announced this today, they spoke to most of these countries.
	Many of them, they reached out, they gave them a heads up that this was coming.
	The officials I've been speaking to here say, look, the country, these Allies have said they're against the use, but they don't expect any widespread public pushback on it.
	There's a real recognition here of exactly what we heard from President Biden just moments ago, that Ukraine needs ammunition.
	These have the ability to essentially fill a bridge where the Ukraine right now has a real deficit in artillery rounds, particularly 155 rounds.
	This will be something that they can use in that place while the US and other nations really ramp up production of the artillery rounds.
	So they can keep Ukraine in the fight.
	155 rounds.
	Now, can you shoot the bomblets, the cluster bombs, from the same 155mm cannon?
	Seems unlikely.
	Oh, wow, these look bad.
	A 10-kilometer cannon?
	Seems unlikely.
	Oh, wow.
	These look bad.
	These are the howitzers.
	The 155.
	Yeah, the 155.
	That's the one that if you had invested before the war, you'd have made a lot of money.
	And so cluster, cluster shells.
	I wonder what the, can you shoot those out of?
	Doesn't really say.
	It's a bomb.
	It's not a shell.
	Okay.
	So you shoot it like a mortar?
	I don't know.
	Well, this is just, it's disturbing.
	This is disturbing.
	We are the biggest a-holes in the universe right now.
	Do we not see that?
	I mean, we see it, but man, this is just bad.
	I have a series of clips.
	Ah!
	Is this the Gal stuff?
	No, no, no.
	Oh, okay.
	No.
	No.
	Gal, that's good, but that's got nothing to do with it.
	No, no, we'll get that later.
	It's a series of Ukraine clips.
	Oh, okay, good.
	This guy's named Shahid Bolson.
	Actually, Shahid King Bolson.
	I want to read about him before I play these clips.
	Because this guy is an operative for someone.
	I don't know who.
	He's an asset or something.
	I don't know.
	I can't figure it out.
	Because when you listen to him, he sounds like a Middle East expert.
	He has a Twitter account.
	Just saying.
	Well, let's just listen to the first clip and then I'll explain who this guy is.
	This is Ukraine analysis Shahid1.
	Let me talk for a moment about Poland in relation to the US proxy war against Europe, popularly known as the Ukraine war.
	As I've stated since the outbreak of the war, In my opinion, the Ukraine war is a U.S.
	proxy war not against Russia, but against Europe.
	It is the launchpad for a continent-wide destabilization project that will create conflict zone conditions across Europe.
	It will divide the EU against itself.
	It will deindustrialize the continent and turn it into another laboratory for the imposition of severe neoliberal austerity policies that will wipe out all except The largest private sector players and basically refutalize Europe.
	Now Poland appears to have been selected by the United States to act as their hub of operations for implementing this program.
	But before I get into that, Let's go back to one of the earliest examples of this type of project.
	The dirty wars in Central and South America in the 1980s.
	When I was growing up, I was always interested in the news and current affairs and world events and so on.
	And the evening news, every night, was dominated by stories of savagery in places like Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, and Argentina.
	Uncle Don!
	Civil wars, death squads, Abductions, torture, and all forms of brutality proliferated the entire region.
	Now all of this was orchestrated out of the American Embassy in Honduras under the management of then U.S.
	Ambassador John Negroponte, whom locals referred to as Mr. Death Squad.
	Honduras had the largest U.S.
	Embassy.
	It had the biggest CIA station.
	And the country became the staging ground for a regional destabilization project that continued throughout the 1980s.
	Wow, okay.
	Alright, hold on, hold on.
	I'm just gonna give it to you up front because I know what's gonna happen here.
	I can just give it to you right up front.
	This is dynamite.
	This, of course, it's so obvious now.
	This is a complete destabilization of Europe and we're going to squash them like a bug, like a bug under a bomblet.
	Well, FDEU, as our friend Nuland said.
	Oh, goodness.
	If we go back to that and we listen to this clip and we listen to the FDEU, we start to understand what might actually be going on.
	We should just, you know, not everyone understands this because they weren't around when we played this the first time in 2014.
	This is when the U.S.
	was installing a new government into Ukraine and Victoria Nuland was caught with, well, was recorded at high quality.
	Very high quality by the Russians, obviously.
	On a phone call where she was talking to her compatriot who I think was, was he the ambassador at the time?
	I'm not sure, Ambassador.
	Yeah, maybe.
	But they were discussing, you know, oh, who we got to put in?
	Yeah, Klitsch.
	No, Klitsch is no good.
	We got to have that guy in.
	Yeah, we can have Biden come out here and bless the deal.
	He'll kiss the babies.
	It'll all be good.
	Biden.
	Biden.
	We got the Biden coming.
	And then it was like, well, you know, they're not going to like what we're doing, the EU.
	And then she just said that.
	Fuck the EU.
	And there you have it!
	With great disdain.
	Yes!
	Should we play that clip again?
	I think it's in there somewhere.
	I know, of course I can find it.
	Newland.
	Here we go.
	For a little bit, until we're tired of it.
	What do you think?
	I think we're in play.
	We're in play!
	The Klitschko piece is obviously the complicated electron here.
	Especially the announcement of him as Deputy Prime Minister.
	And you've seen some of my notes on the troubles in the marriage right now.
	So we're trying to get a read really fast on where he is.
	Listen to these terms they use.
	We're in play!
	Yeah, like we got a little trouble here on the marriage.
	Because they're just, they're just, it's like shotgun wedding.
	fusing everything together, handing out cookies.
	But I think your argument to him, which you'll need to make, I think that's the next phone call we want to set up, is exactly the one you made to Yats.
	That's Yatsenyuk, who later did become prime minister for a moment.
	Put him on the spot on where he fits in this scenario.
	And I'm very glad he said what he said in response.
	We should also mention that Klitschko is currently the mayor.
	The mayor of Kiev.
	Good.
	So, I don't think Klitsch should go into the government.
	I don't think it's necessary.
	I don't think it's a good idea.
	Yeah, so I just make it not happen.
	That's how democratically elected countries work.
	Victoria Nuland says, I don't think he should go in, and he doesn't!
	Yeah, I mean, I guess... He's not agreeing, by the way.
	You think, in terms of him not going into the government, just let him sort of stay out and do his political homework and stuff.
	I'm just thinking, in terms of sort of the process moving ahead, we want to keep the moderate Democrats together.
	The problem is going to be Tony Book and his guys.
	No, Tony Book.
	And, you know, I'm sure that's part of what Yanukovych is calculating on all of this.
	Yanukovych was, was that the guy they were putting in or was it the guy who was going out?
	I can't remember who Yanukovych was.
	I think it was the guy going out.
	I think Yats is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience.
	He's the guy, you know, what he needs is cleats and tiny book on the outside.
	He needs to be talking to them four times a week.
	She's now actually not just putting people into government, but arranging their agenda.
	Doing their calendar for them.
	This is the democratic country that we're saving for.
	Democracy.
	I just think Cleach going in, he's going to be at that level Working for Yatz and Yuke, it's just not going to work.
	No, not going to work.
	No, I agree.
	What do you think, John?
	Not going to work.
	I think just now.
	Not going to work.
	Not going to work.
	No, let him just do his political homework on the outside.
	Good.
	Well, do you want us to try to set up a call with him?
	Here's the next step.
	My understanding from that call that you tell me was that the big three were going into their own meeting and that Yatz was going to offer in that context a three-way, you know, a three-plus-one conversation or three-plus-two with you.
	Is that not how you understood it?
	No, I think, I mean, that's what he proposed, but I think just knowing the dynamic that's been with them, where Klitschko's been the top dog, he's gonna take a while to show up for whatever meeting they've got, and he's probably talking to his guys at this point, so I think you reaching out directly to him helps with the personality management among the three.
	This is literally how we used to pitch, like, you know, Gillette.
	Alright, you talk to your guy and I'll talk to my guy and you work him from the back end and we'll get the big three or maybe three plus two, we'll get him into the meeting, we'll pitch him with the PowerPoint and we'll be good to go.
	And it gives you also a chance to move fast on all this stuff and put us behind it before they all sit down and he... Oh yeah, let's move fast before they figure out how we've hoodwinked them.
	He explains why he doesn't like it.
	This is good to review.
	I can see there's trolls who have never heard this recording.
	Well, this is 2014, so it's a bit... It's like nine years ago.
	It is.
	Okay, good.
	I'm happy.
	Why don't you reach out to him and see if he wants to talk before or after?
	Alright, how do we put a bow about this, Vicki?
	How do we wrap this all up?
	We'll do.
	Thanks.
	Okay, I've now written... Oh, one more wrinkle for you, Jeff?
	Oh, wrinkle!
	Wrinkle!
	Stand by, Jeff.
	I got a wrinkle.
	Yeah.
	I can't remember if I told you this or if I only told Washington this.
	Yeah, because, you know, you're not in the loop on everything, Jeff, just so you know.
	When I talked to Jeff Feltman this morning, he had a new name for the UN guy, Robert Sary.
	Did I write you that this morning?
	Yeah, I saw that.
	He's now gotten both Sari and Ban Ki-moon to agree that Sari could come in Monday or Tuesday.
	Oh, that's right.
	They had Ban Ki-moon in on the deal.
	The Secretary General of the U.N.
	said, you know, we'll bless the deal.
	Ban Ki-moon will come in.
	That guy's half dead anyway.
	He can't even speak English.
	Just let him mumble.
	Okay.
	So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and have the UN help glue it.
	Yeah, have the UN help glue it, because that's what's good.
	Glue.
	Glue it.
	And, you know, fuck the EU.
	Yeah!
	There it is.
	Exactly.
	And I think we've got to do something to make it stick together.
	Exactly.
	Now, let's just go back for a second.
	So she's saying, we'll have the UN glue it, because clearly the European Union is like, what are you guys doing in our backyard?
	This is not so cool.
	So we're gonna have this thing glued for the whole world, and fuck you!
	Fuck you, EU!
	Or if I only told Washington this, that when I talked to Jeff Feltman.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	When she said fuck the EU, I think she was specifically saying we're going to have the UN do it.
	And fuck the EU meaning we're skipping them and anything that they have to say about it.
	Yeah, because the UN greater than sign EU.
	This morning he had a new name for the UN guy, Robert Sari.
	Did I write you that this morning?
	Yeah, I saw that.
	He's now gotten both Sari and Ban Ki-moon to agree that Sari could come in Monday or Tuesday.
	Okay.
	So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and have the UN help glue it.
	And, you know, fuck the EU.
	No, exactly.
	And I think we've got to do something to make it stick together because you can be pretty sure that if it does, if it does start to gain altitude, the Russians will be working behind the scenes.
	It's going to gain altitude.
	All right, bring in Biden.
	Try to torpedo it.
	And again, the fact that this is out there right now, I'm still trying to figure out in my mind why Yanukovych did that.
	But in the meantime, there's a Party of Regions faction meeting going on right now, and I'm sure there's a Lively argument going on in that group at this point.
	But anyway, we could land jelly side up on this one if we move fast.
	So let me work on Klitschko, and if you can just keep, I think we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing.
	Oh, someone with international personality needs to come out and midwife this thing.
	The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych, but we'll probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.
	So on that piece, Jeff, when I wrote the note, Sullivan's come back to me, VFR, saying you need Biden, and I said probably tomorrow.
	Sullivan.
	Jake Sullivan, by any chance, anybody?
	You think?
	Yeah, has to be.
	Jake Sullivan?
	Yeah, he's got Biden.
	He's got Biden.
	Yeah, he's got the 100% dud.
	The midwife is saying, and then the other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych, but we'll probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.
	So on that piece, Jeff, when I wrote the note, Sullivan's come back to me, VFR, saying, you need Biden.
	And I said, probably tomorrow for an attaboy and a get the deets to stick.
	Oh, Biden will come out for an attaboy and get the deets to stick.
	Biden's willing.
	Yeah, great.
	OK, great.
	Thanks.
	All right.
	Good work.
	Good work.
	Your No Agenda Show has receipts, people.
	You know, this is so scandalous and it was played up zero by the media.
	Zero!
	Well, she used an expletive on a call, you know, so we can't play the expletive because she said a bad word.
	It's not about that, people.
	Listen to what they're doing!
	What they did, they did it!
	He did a good job, you gotta give him kudos for that.
	It's the same people, they had Lady G, they had McCain, they had, who was the CIA director, everybody was in there to do this, and it was just part of- Yeah, Brennan was there.
	Brennan, and now Vicky is back, you know, she's now, I think she's now, if not has been, or will be the Deputy Secretary of State, again.
	And she's here to finish the job!
	And Europe, you're screwed!
	F the EU!
	You're screwed!
	Let me read some more about this.
	This is Shaheed King-Bolson who's talking about Poland being the crux of this whole thing.
	I'm glad we played that, by the way.
	And this is interesting.
	He's an Al-Qaeda operative.
	Oh, well sure, why not?
	First affiliate to the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.
	Those two don't really necessarily mix, but okay.
	So that's kind of suspicious.
	Wasn't the Muslim Brotherhood, wasn't that Obama's guys?
	Yeah, I think so.
	And the start of 2015 multinational corporations for an own base.
	He goes on and on.
	He is.
	Let me find where it was.
	Born Shannon Morris in Boulder, Colorado, in 1971.
	He was raised as a Catholic by his mother, Catholic by his mother, after their father abandoned the family to pursue a screenwriting career in California.
	His family would later recall that even as a young man, Shannon was deeply troubled by social injustice And the gap between America's rich and poor.
	Oh, that's it.
	So his name is now Shaheed?
	He went from Shannon Morris to Shahid King-Bolson.
	Alright, I'm calling you Jahneed and I'm Aheed.
	Okay?
	That's who it is.
	Hello, Jaheed!
	So it goes on and on.
	Ann Arbor, there's a bunch of connections.
	There's a very interesting article, if anyone can find it, it's in theweeklyblitz.net, a backgrounder on this guy.
	And the guy is extremely suspicious and he's really good at analysis.
	So let's go to part two of his clip.
	When John Negroponte was appointed the U.S.
	Ambassador to Iraq shortly after the invasion and occupation, I fully anticipated that he would pursue the same sort of destabilization project throughout the Middle East.
	Now, Negroponte had a protege named Robert Stephen Ford, Who was appointed the US ambassador to Syria at that time and he immediately began trying to foment rebellion and opposition and resistance and recruiting militia groups until he was eventually kicked out of the country.
	I think we're all aware of What happened a few short years later in the Arab world with the Arab Spring, and we're all aware also, I think, of the role played by CIA-backed organizations in that disruptive movement.
	And I think we're also all aware of the role played by the CIA in backing armed groups in the civil war in Syria.
	In fact, during the Arab Spring, the United States tried to appoint Robert Stephen Ford after he'd been kicked out of Syria.
	They tried to appoint him as the U.S.
	ambassador to Egypt, but fortunately, His reputation and the reputation of John Negroponte preceded them, and popular opposition to that appointment forced the US to scrap the idea.
	So the point here is that there is a pattern, and once you are familiar with the pattern, you can recognize it.
	And you can sort of abstractly predict the way it's going to play out, if not specifically.
	Well, in the current scenario, in my opinion, Poland is Honduras.
	Near the beginning of the war in Ukraine, I noticed the role being played by Poland As a destination for refugees and as a source for mercenaries to go and fight in Ukraine.
	So I decided to check.
	Who is the U.S.
	Ambassador to Poland right now?
	Well, the U.S.
	Ambassador to Poland right now is not Robert Stephen Ford, and it's not John Negroponte or any of their known protégés.
	The current U.S.
	Ambassador to Poland is the son of one of the most notorious policy advisors in recent U.S.
	history, Zbigniew Brzezinski.
	And I'm not going to make any effort to say his name correctly.
	Brzezinski, who was Polish, Uh, was the architect of U.S.
	support for the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union.
	And he was a staunch and paranoid anti-Russian zealot.
	Wait a minute.
	It is?
	It's Mark Brzezinski!
	Oh, man!
	How did we miss?
	Did we miss this?
	Did we know this?
	I think we may have noticed it some time back, but I think we didn't make it in this connection.
	We didn't make this connection.
	And is he not married to or boyfriend-girlfriend with that horrible woman?
	Yeah, because... Yes, when... Horrible woman.
	Well, I mean, I know.
	That's kind of an open thing there, isn't it?
	Oh, Brzezinski, no way.
	This is atrocious.
	All the shills are in place.
	Yeah.
	Who is he?
	He is Samantha, not Samantha.
	What's her name?
	Not Samantha Powers.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	Applebaum.
	Applebaum.
	He's friends with Applebaum.
	Oh, Applebaum.
	Oh, Annie.
	Because he's divorced.
	He's twice divorced.
	Not saying that's something that doesn't happen.
	Is he with Applebaum?
	Okay, well let's continue with the clips.
	Okay, you can do that.
	I'm doing the research over here on the Applebaum.
	And so onward with, now the question that occurs, why is this, why did this this analysis even get out there?
	There's something up with that, and I haven't figured that part out yet, and the Shaheed character again is another mystery, but let's go on with part three.
	Now Brzezinski felt that the disintegration of the EU was inevitable and that only the perception of a threat being posed by Russia could possibly induce the Europeans to act in unison.
	I think a united Europe came into being out of fear.
	I think that entity is now on the way to a disintegration because the fear is gone.
	There is a certain inevitability to that.
	Now if Clinton starts another wave of Cold War unilateral actions, they'll probably all come back again.
	He also believed that there were several countries that had been admitted into the EU that never should have been admitted.
	Namely, the Eastern Bloc countries and the Baltic states.
	Now, I think it's safe to assume that Mark Brzezinski, the current U.S.
	ambassador to Poland, probably shares his father's views, and he is now in charge of coordinating the destabilization program for Europe that will see the continent split right down the middle, with America's focus of support moving from the Atlantic European states and the Central with America's focus of support moving from the Atlantic European states and the Central European states to the Eastern European states, with Poland
	Ironically, the U.S. is using Brzezinski's theory that the Europeans need a Russian threat in order to act in unison.
	They're using that theory to coerce the European nations to be unified in the adoption of policies that will ultimately lead to the disintegration of Europe.
	Now, no doubt the US is dangling promises in front of Poland, telling them that they will re-emerge as a major power after four centuries of irrelevance, telling them that Germany is weakening, both naturally and by design, and that Poland can become not only the manufacturing hub And heart of Europe, but also the strongest military power.
	They're even hinting that Poland can become a super state, incorporating both Lithuania and Western Ukraine into their territory.
	And just FYI, the suspected St.
	Petersburg bomber was born in Western Ukraine.
	So they went to school together, Ann and Mark.
	Oh.
	They went to St.
	Anthony's College in Oxford.
	Oh.
	Uh-huh.
	Probably in a Rhodes Scholarship.
	No doubt.
	Yeah, he's the one that, when the pipeline was blown up, the Nord Stream 2, he tweeted, thanks, good job.
	Remember that?
	Remember that?
	I vaguely remember that.
	Unbelievable.
	That's funny.
	These people are crazy.
	Okay, this is good.
	There's a lot of interesting stuff, but if you think about this, this plan, this scheme, which goes back to pre-2014, because you had to get this Ukraine thing started.
	If this scheme goes back as far as it probably did, it might have been an extra explanation for Brexit.
	Because Brexit, the British were part of Five Eyes, and they would know that if this scheme was underfoot to bust up the EU and just make a mess out of it, kind of just scramble it, you have to get out!
	This is succeeding!
	They're succeeding with this!
	Yeah.
	Well, I'll tell you why in a minute, but let's get the final piece here.
	Let's get the final clips, and then he also goes on after this with some more stuff, but then it's just discorderating the U.S.
	and bitching and moaning about stuff, and it goes into a Muslim rant.
	But this wraps it.
	So based on all of these promises, in my opinion, Poland is willingly doing America's dirty work, which, after all, they've actually been doing for quite some time.
	As a result of embracing their role as a destabilizing client state of the U.S., Poland will likely become a police state, and this is already happening, with American soldiers running amok in the country and Polish police telling their citizens that they have no right to arrest them.
	And the same is likely to happen in the other Eastern Bloc and Baltic states where America is shifting its focus.
	They will be tightly controlled by American influence.
	And they will be encouraged to distance themselves from the EU and to even form their own economic and security bloc which again we already see happening.
	Poland will potentially become militarily engaged in the war in Ukraine against Russia as well as potentially in Belarus and unquestionably covert disruption activities in both Moldova and in Georgia and elsewhere.
	Will be originating from the U.S.
	Embassy in Warsaw.
	So this is just to give you a sort of geopolitical framework for what's happening in Europe and Poland's role in that, in what is a repeating pattern by the U.S.
	Okay.
	So, what just happened this past week in one of the countries that is under attack by Brzezinski and his band of Biden criminals?
	In the Hague, crowds gathered outside the Prime Minister's office at the Binnenhof.
	The Netherlands' longest-serving leader resigned from his fourth term in office because of disagreements over immigration between coalition partners.
	So it's not immigration, it's literally asylum seekers from war, i.e.
	from Ukraine.
	Today, unfortunately, we have to conclude that those differences are irreconcilable.
	That is why I will immediately offer the resignation of the entire cabinet to the King in writing.
	I will, of course, also send a copy of that request for dismissal to the House of Representatives.
	Since January 2022, Mark Rutte has led a coalition government comprising four parties from the right and center.
	For months, the government had been trying to find an agreement on reducing the flow of migrants entering the country.
	This week, the Prime Minister tried to push through a plan to restrict family reunification for refugees in the Netherlands.
	The plan included a cap on the number of relatives of war refugees allowed into the country, But two of the four-party coalition were not prepared to further tighten the policy for asylum seekers.
	Mark Rutte's resignation opens a period of uncertainty for the Dutch.
	So, at hand, a very interesting case, you know, they have a coalition of four parties, two big ones, two smaller ones.
	And Rutte, with the other big one, they said, well, you know, we really want to restrict children of war refugees from, I mean, where else could they come from, but from Ukraine.
	We want to restrict them so, you know, we can't bring them in.
	Which sounds like a real dick move.
	And then, you know, the two smaller parties went, well, that's a dick move, so, you know, oh well, I guess we can't figure it out, so let's all resign.
	Here's a better report from a Dutch guy on Instagram.
	Hi guys, here's Dirk Wigge.
	I said that I'm not going to make any videos or post anything, but something big has happened in the Netherlands.
	The cabinet, Mark Rutte, has resigned about the problems they had about all the migrants that were supposed to come to the Netherlands.
	And now they resigned.
	That is a big sign, people.
	I think I was talking to my friend in the United States and he said that In a couple of days, Macron will go, and then the government of Germany will go, and then Europe will collapse.
	It's finished.
	It's finished.
	Keep on praying that all those Klaus Schwab assholes are gone, and will be put to trial for a tribunal for what they have done to all the people in the country.
	So say it to the world, please.
	So he sees it, or at least he sees a version of it by saying, oh no, what I understand is Macron will be gone, which we'll talk about I guess now, and the Germans will be gone, and the whole thing's going to fall apart, and then we're going to hang up the World Economic Forum a-holes.
	I'm not so sure that's going to happen, but I like his spunk!
	So we have France!
	We have France falling apart.
	This is, this is, this is our doing.
	When I say our, it's American politicians and diplomats who have been working this.
	And it's been going on for a while.
	Obviously pre-COVID.
	Obviously pre-2014.
	Uh-huh.
	Now, what is the goal?
	Robilization?
	Yeah.
	What else?
	That's what we do!
	We're the Rubbleizers, baby!
	Yeah.
	Well, what is the goal?
	Is complete financial dominance?
	The bankers never liked it.
	You know, you had your banker friend who said this was a fait accompli some time back.
	Yeah, so in 2008, It was a war.
	And he said, and I just remember him saying, we won.
	We won.
	We beat the European banks.
	We won.
	And he still speaks of winning.
	We're winning.
	No, we're winning.
	And with that, it only means against the European Central Bank and the European banks in general.
	Obviously, the Bank of England, you know, broke that one a long time ago.
	So I'm sure that, you know, it was annoying, the whole European, the whole Euro project.
	Annoying, annoying, annoying, annoying.
	And since we have the bricks getting together, and they keep threatening a gold-backed currency they're all gonna use, yeah, it's not that simple.
	And it's not gonna work.
	I don't know if it'll work or not, but it's just not that simple.
	Um, you know, it sounds good on paper.
	Oh yeah, we'll just, uh, we'll just, we'll just put together a currency.
	Everybody use it.
	But to, to, to crush the Euro, especially by bringing in Fifi Lagarde, globalist, you know, she may look French, she may speak French, but she's a globalist.
	She comes from the IMF.
	We know where she's from.
	So now she's, she's going to run the, the, the European central bank into the ground.
	But then we just have some irritating little people like, I think Rutte was told to fold.
	This doesn't seem like they had to collapse the government over this issue.
	No, I don't think so either.
	And Macron, of course, is under... he's gonna get ready.
	He's under a real attack.
	He's under a real attack.
	But you sent me that article that I put in the show notes, or that cable, the diplomatic cable.
	Yeah, it was a cable that was on WikiLeaks and it had to be archived in Iceland or something.
	It's quite interesting, it's in the show notes.
	And it outlines, and this is an old memo during the Clinton era of Secretary of State.
	No, it's 2010.
	No, it's Obama.
	Okay.
	Yeah, Clinton.
	That's what I meant.
	Clinton.
	Oh, Clinton State Department.
	Yes, of course.
	Yeah, of course, of course.
	And it outlines the methodology used to subvert the society in France mainly.
	And I guess other countries, and it's pretty much to implement the diversity integral, whatever the D.I.E.
	thing, the D.E.I., whatever it's called.
	Oh yeah, and going after youth groups with great vigor, riling them up.
	There's all kinds of crazy terms in that cable.
	It's like, yeah, we're going to organize the youth, and we'll show those Frenchies.
	Those Frenchies don't know how to do it.
	It's designed to destabilize the country.
	Very much so.
	It was a very interesting series of memos that were picked up.
	You can see why, I mean, those kinds of things, but WikiLeaks is still laced with tons of cool stuff.
	It's been scattered all over the world.
	Let me read from it a little bit.
	So this is from the American Embassy, from Ambassador Rivkin, 2010.
	We believe that if France over the long run does not successfully increase opportunity and provide genuine political representation for its minority populations, France could become a weaker, more divided country.
	Perhaps more crisis prone and inward looking and consequently a less capable ally.
	As is witnessed by his cozying up to China and not participating in the Ukraine gambit.
	Right.
	And then there's, you know, this Crisis of representation in France, you know, the racist a-holes.
	Strategy for France, our aims.
	The overarching goal of our minority outreach strategy is to engage the French population at all levels in order to help France to realize its own egalitarian ideals.
	Again, democracy.
	We're doing a good job.
	The strategy has three broad target audiences in mind.
	One, the majority, especially the elites.
	Yeah, we'll buy them off.
	Two, minorities, with a focus on their leaders.
	That's right.
	They go into the mosques.
	And three, the general population.
	Employ the seven tactics described below.
	Engage in positive discourse.
	Set a strong example.
	Launch aggressive youth outreach.
	Aggressive.
	Aggressive.
	This is France!
	encourage moderate voices, propagate best practices, best price, deepen our understanding of the problem, integrate, target, and evaluate our efforts.
	This is France.
	This is not some dusty desert.
	Why are we?
	Why?
	When did we become the Budinsky's of the world, where we're going to go to France, a historically highly cultured country, and then manipulate them to get what we want.
	I mean, I think it's, I guess it's our job to manipulate everybody to get what we want, but it's subversive.
	And if we have to admit to it, And we're getting caught left and right.
	That memo should have never been... We shouldn't be reading that memo on our show, A. And B, we shouldn't have ever had that Victoria Nuland call.
	And the fact that all this stuff is pretty much out in the open and is not being picked up by the mainstream media is disgusting.
	Well, that's why we are...
	The best podcast in the universe.
	We are what we are.
	We are what we are.
	If you know, you know.
	Exactly.
	If you know, you know.
	If you know, you know.
	Hey, so with the Netherlands, you know, so you have a decommissioned cabinet, so they stay on and they just kind of keep the seats warm and they'll have elections in the fall.
	Now, what's going to happen in the fall?
	What's going to happen before they even get their elections going, which will be November, I guess?
	In October, this is when Fifi has promised us the digital euro.
	I mean, I may be getting ahead of myself here, but... Yeah.
	But who knows?
	Who knows?
	I got a clip.
	They gotta do something.
	I want you, this is Anaske Adam.
	Oh, goodness.
	This is the head of Estonia, the female leader.
	I think she's the Prime Minister or the President.
	And this is Anaske.
	She's going to be talking about something.
	I want you to tell me what she's talking about.
	Okay.
	Dear fellas, I'm really sorry not to be able to be there with you in person.
	Wait, what is the first name she said?
	Dear what?
	She said dear fellas.
	Oh, dear fellas.
	Dear fellas, I'm really sorry not to be able to be there with you in person for the first ever NATO Summit in Vilnius.
	But I will be following in your footsteps in a few days when NATO leaders meet.
	As a proud honorary fellow, I want to send my greetings to you, and I wish you the most based NATO summit possible.
	As I've said before, the aggressor must be def... Did she say most based NATO summit?
	No, she said most based NAFO summit.
	Okay, well that's, that's, so some countries say NAFO, others say NATO, but she said based... No, no.
	What no?
	Yes?
	No.
	In Holland, it's NAFO.
	NAFO is a completely different organization.
	Look it up in the Wikipedia after you listen to the rest of the clip.
	As a proud honorary fellow, I want to send my greetings to you and I wish you the most base NAFO summit possible.
	As I've said before, the aggressor must be defeated on the battlefield, but Russia is also waging a war against our democracies.
	An energy war, a cyber war, an information war.
	Democracies need to take steps to defend themselves in all these areas, as well as holding the line to defend a world where rules still apply and where technology works for, not against, democratic societies.
	You are all a living example of this.
	Fighting Russian disinformation and bad takes with good humor, intelligence and enthusiasm.
	Behind every fellow is a real person.
	You are volunteering your time and energy because you believe in Ukraine's victory.
	I thank you for all your support to Ukraine as well as the Baltic Sea region and Estonia.
	And thank you for all your support to me personally.
	It really, really warms my heart.
	So what more to say than keep fighting the good fight because NAFO expansion is non-negotiable.
	Ask Adam, ask Adam, will he know or will he won't?
	I don't know, but here we go.
	Ask Adam, ask Adam.
	All right.
	I know what this is because she used all the words.
	This is NAFO.
	You're right.
	NAFO.
	North Atlantic Fella Organization.
	Yeah.
	And she's a fella.
	She's a fella.
	That's right.
	And they combat disinformation.
	They use the same logo as NATO.
	Yep.
	It's only just started in 2020.
	This is a joke.
	This is some millennials that were in government that came up with this idiocy.
	And they suckered all these morons and she's one of them.
	They're using the Shiba Inu dog.
	And they use that stupid dog.
	The Doge Dog.
	The Doge Dog as their logo.
	This is wrong.
	Which is also a pedophile sign, according to some people on the No Agenda Social, anyway.
	The whole thing is wrong!
	It's wrong, fella!
	Well, when she said based, I knew something was up.
	I don't care what you say.
	When you're using base as a politician, you're not a politician.
	I don't know who she is, but... She's the head, she's the honcho of Estonia.
	Which is a stooge country for us.
	What is she doing?
	Very high-tech.
	What is she doing wasting her time at the NATO?
	Well she didn't go to it, she just gave a video.
	A based video.
	She's based!
	So she gave the video and then she's gonna go to the actual NATO conference in a couple of days.
	This is so great.
	It's unbelievably stupid!
	Yeah.
	Jeez.
	Well, now.
	Top that!
	Well, I can't really top it with only one other piece of Dutch news, which is the winner of Miss Netherlands 2023.
	Announced on Saturday night in a televised, you know, this will be part of the Miss Universe competition.
	And it is Ricky Collet, a dude.
	Told you I could top it!
	A seven foot tall dude won.
	He's seven foot tall?
	Yes.
	He's a big dude.
	Very tall dude, very tall.
	And I do not believe this is a completely transitioned person.
	I believe it is a transvestite.
	I'm not 100% sure.
	I don't really care.
	But now, this Ricky is a combo Dutch malukker.
	Malukker, I haven't heard malukkers in a long time.
	I haven't heard, I don't even remember that.
	Well the malukkers are the ones who We're hijacking the trains in the 70s in Holland.
	Do you remember that?
	Oh, I don't remember any of that.
	Because they were all pissed off.
	This is part of the DEI agenda in the Netherlands because, you know, everyone's vying for money now.
	Now that the king has said, you know, we're a bunch of racists and we ship the slaves.
	Go us!
	And now they've got museums and all kinds of stuff.
	We're a bunch of racists and we're going to make up for it by naming this guy Miss Netherlands.
	That's pretty much how it went.
	Does that help?
	Does that help our cause?
	How do you feel?
	That's reparations!
	There you go.
	That's what it is.
	There's our reparations.
	Take that, maluckers!
	Oh man, oh man, oh man, oh man.
	Man, oh man, oh man.
	And not that attractive with a huge overbite can scrape flies off the wall.
	I'm sorry, I mean, I just got to be a television producer here for a moment.
	The profile is not a good look.
	Look it up!
	I don't really want to, but I'll take your word for it.
	No, you need to see this overbite.
	Okay, let me go to- Just look at Miss Netherlands, just look at- you have to!
	Yeah, hold on, I gotta get a browser up and I'm going, now that you mention it.
	I just don't- you don't even have- you're doing- you've been doing the show for almost an hour and you haven't- don't even have a browser up?
	I don't.
	What kind of podcaster are you?
	Yes, I know.
	It makes no sense.
	Are you still in your pajamas?
	What kind of a podcaster doesn't have a browser running and he's constantly looking at stuff?
	You gotta have a browser, you know.
	You gotta do that stuff, man.
	I gotta get ISS Palumbo, Netherlands.
	What?
	Oh, I see what happened.
	What are you doing?
	It's Ricky, Valerie, Coley.
	Oh.
	Wow.
	Ricky R-I-K-K-I-E, of course.
	Makes nothing but sense.
	R-I-K-K-I-E.
	And Miss Netherlands.
	Come on.
	Oh, there she is.
	Don't say she.
	Well, if I just saw her picture, the one that showed up, I would say that's a she.
	Yeah, but now look at the profile.
	Look at that overbite.
	I mean, look, I put a lot of money into my mouth now, so I feel I have some standing.
	Get your face fixed.
	She is extremely tall.
	And again, I say she because I have no evidence to contrary.
	And I don't have any profile shots.
	Okay.
	She looks very Hispanic.
	Milwaukee.
	Are they Hispanic?
	No.
	There's a picture with orange lipstick.
	Anyway, I knew I could top it.
	I knew I could top it.
	Boy, this is definitely different.
	Before we leave the Europe analysis completely behind, I want to do one quick three-parter on Russian, the coup.
	Oh, yes.
	Before you even start, did you see that they now have pictures of Hot Dog Boy's penthouse?
	No, I don't know anything about Hot Dog Boy's penthouse.
	Oh yeah, so they got pictures of his penthouse or his mansion or whatever and he's got like all kinds of wigs and disguises and weird things and he's got Illuminati checkered floors.
	I mean, this guy is into some weird stuff.
	And now they're posting pictures of him in all these different get-ups and all these different disguises which are, I mean, hilariously bad.
	With, like, really bad wigs.
	The whole thing is bizarre.
	It doesn't even seem like he's really running anything.
	Here, um, a peek into Purgosy's bizarre pad.
	Among the findings were millions in cash and gold bars, a disguised collection, a giant sledgehammer, and a cache of guns and ammo.
	Well, you could find guns and ammo in my house.
	The sledgehammer.
	Yeah, that's the one that he was bashing people's heads in with.
	That he bashed heads with, yeah.
	Sure, sure.
	This guy, he doesn't even exist.
	This guy is an entirely made-up fictional character.
	I'm convinced of it now.
	Well, could be.
	It's just as good as any other series.
	So I was listening, so I wanted to get the clip.
	Somebody sent me the link and I put it off from the last show.
	I wanted to get the clips of Kennedy on On the Media.
	Oh, I haven't heard that one yet.
	On the Media has... Bobby the K is what they're calling him now.
	Bobby the K. Bobby the K is on On the Media.
	Yeah.
	And they do a takedown.
	Of course, it's very slanted.
	They use loaded language.
	I think, from my perspective, they're being sincere but they're being dishonest, but they don't know it.
	But in the process, before they get to Kennedy, they bring some guy on, some expert, you know they always have some expert on the media, and they bring him on and he's He talks about the coup.
	I don't know if it's inside or just a different approach, but I thought it was interesting enough I'd get some clips.
	And here we go with the coup.
	Some background on the coup.
	Oh, On The Media is an NPR product.
	Yes, On The Media is a, right, it's an NPR thing with this Brooke Gladstone who's being substitute hosted by some New York Times columnist girl, girl, girl.
	And it's a very, it's supposed to be media decons, it's supposed to be what we do.
	It's supposed to be deconstructing.
	Yeah, sure.
	It's supposed to be deconstructed, but all it does is it just looks for anything that's a little right wing and then it gets condemned.
	The last day or so has seen an extraordinary turn of events in Russia.
	A week ago, the world watched as Russian President Vladimir Putin's favorite fixer made a power play.
	In the Russian city of Rostov...
	Oh, they're doing super cuts now?
	Is that what they're doing?
	They're really trying to do our former?
	Prigozhin, he's calling for an armed rebellion.
	Prigozhin announced his army, tens of thousands strong.
	Oh, they're doing super cuts now?
	Is that what they're doing?
	They're really trying to do our format?
	They use the super cut as a prelude.
	Yeah, it's kind of like their way of leading in.
	Armed rebellion.
	Prigozhin announced his army, tens of thousands strong, would reverse course, backing out of Ukraine, marching directly on Moscow.
	Russian state TV threw a lot of commercial breaks as the rest of the world tried to figure out what was going on.
	What's the latest that we have confirmed?
	So, there is very little confirmed.
	An utterly baffling turn of events here.
	The rebellion that wasn't in Russia.
	Or was it a rebellion?
	But then, as quickly as the rebellion flared, it fizzled.
	The leader of the Wagner group, Yevgeny Prigoshin, has ordered his mercenaries to turn around and return to their bases to avoid bloodshed, he said.
	Vladimir Putin began the day angrily denouncing an armed insurrection as terrorist methods and now appears to have struck a deal with Prigozhin.
	The Kremlin says it's dropped charges and Prigozhin will go to Belarus while promising his fighters contracts with the Russian military.
	It was not a coup because Grigoryan made his intention clear repeatedly.
	He was not trying to overthrow the government.
	He was not trying to seize power from Putin.
	Nani Halsing is the author of Seizing Power, the Strategic Logic of Military Coups.
	Back in 2016, he helped on the media create a breaking news consumer's handbook, Military Coup Edition, after a failed attempt by the military to seize power in Turkey.
	He says what happened in Russia last week was less a coup than a mutiny.
	Oh, Mutiny.
	Oh, they got the Mutiny.
	That's where it comes from!
	Remember we were talking over and over and over again about, what are they talking about?
	Mutiny, Mutiny, Mutiny.
	Yeah, Mutiny.
	It comes from this show, and right there.
	So you're sure they're the originator of it?
	I'm pretty sure, yeah, because this is not brand new.
	It just all seems to stem from this guy.
	Help me understand one thing.
	Now, if you and I were producing on the media, and, you know, we've produced a lot of stuff in our time.
	First of all, we'd make this girl spin around, make sure she's okay for the role.
	Hey, Adam at Curry.com.
	I'm just doing television producer stuff, but it's radio.
	We would never... Yeah, why would she be spinning around for radio?
	We would never choose this guitar music.
	What's up with the Spanish guitar?
	Why?
	I mean, it's royalty-free, I get it, but why?
	I think Hava Nagila is what I have played in the background.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	Curry Dvorak for all your podcasts.
	Okay.
	So this mutiny thing comes from this guy.
	Now, while you're listening to this guy explain what a coup is and what a coup isn't, because I guess there's a bunch of... He's the guy.
	I want you to also be thinking, at least in the back of your head, everyone out there should be thinking about January 6th.
	That was a coup.
	The supposed coup.
	And if you listen to these guys, and you listen to what they say about this, and then you think about January 6th, January 6th was not an insurrection, it wasn't a coup, it wasn't a mutiny.
	It was a lousy, it was a poorly planned But no, hold on a second.
	It was a jacked up crowd that was jacked up because there was about to be a vote taken inside the Capitol that could actually have stopped the certification of the vote.
	Let's just call it what it really was.
	That's why they let everybody in.
	Oh, people are coming in, we can't take this vote.
	That's what it was.
	Okay.
	So kind of like a mutiny.
	Really?
	It wasn't really like a mutiny at all.
	But let's listen now.
	We got two more parts of this and you can kind of hear this.
	It's like they're really looking for something here in this.
	I don't know what it is they're looking for, but it's kind of interesting.
	So, there were some distinctions.
	Most mutinies are from the bottom, which is to say, if your average Russian conscript was to rise up against the war or against their conditions of service, that would be a lot more typical.
	However, this is not something which is unique, what Purgosian did.
	In fact, there are other examples, like in Ecuador or in Argentina, where you have generals or people who are in command of significant military forces who will mount an armed rebellion, who will use that force to attain a political objective.
	It's just that in this case, that political objective stops just shy of the removal of the president.
	When you spoke to OTM in 2016, it was about a coup attempt in Turkey.
	You said then that coups are about making the outcome seem inevitable and putting out the message that they've already succeeded in overthrowing the people in power.
	Did Purgosian do that?
	No, Prigozhin did not, and it's one of the ways in which he avoids being accused of mounting a coup.
	He never says, my intention is to take over.
	He never says, I've already succeeded in taking over.
	In fact, his first target is Rostov rather than Moscow.
	So, this all seems like it's from the CIA playbook.
	I don't get the coup ribbon unless it's an actual coup.
	So I know what a coup is, okay?
	And you need to have an army leader, you need to have someone taking over, has to be a political takeover, which of course January 6th was not.
	What that was, was worse than 9-11.
	That was worse than the Civil War.
	But it was not a coup.
	It was not a coup.
	It was poorly done, that's why.
	Okay, so we'll finish this guy off.
	And he says he intends to go in and remove the top people at the Ministry of Defense.
	He doesn't say, I've already succeeded in doing so.
	However, he does do half of it.
	If you're going to create a narrative that your seizure of power is a fait accompli, that your success is inevitable, the first half of doing that is that you have to demonstrate that the state is no longer in control.
	And that's the part that Purgosian does do.
	You warned that in the case of a coup or a mutiny, each side is battling to seize the narrative.
	What are the competing narratives here?
	Wow!
	Fire her!
	This is horrible!
	Why do I think I'm reading that?
	Is she, do you think she's reading right in front of him with her head down?
	Just like, just reading off the paper?
	Or is this inserted later?
	Sounds like it's inserted later.
	That's a good question because you can't tell it's so poorly done.
	Sounds inserted later.
	You're seeing a lot more narrative pieces inserted later.
	For sure.
	I think so.
	the narrative.
	What are the competing narratives here?
	You're seeing a lot more narrative creation.
	Yeah, inserted later, for sure.
	I think so.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Battling to seize the narrative.
	What are the competing narratives here?
	You're seeing a lot more narrative creation now that Oh wait, stop.
	Again, it's just for people that care about this kind of broadcasting crap.
	The other thing is, is that generally speaking on this show and some of the other shows, they're doing it over a satellite link and there's always a little delay that they never cut out.
	Really?
	They always leave a little... When I'm doing these clips, I'm cutting stuff out constantly because of the lag.
	But help me understand.
	How is it that NPR, with all their resources and Neumann mics and beautifully soundproof rooms, have to still resort to interviews over the satellite with a delay where we're using a $20 clean feed account and it's fine?
	I've always wondered about some of these delays, and Fox has them too.
	Fox is the worst.
	And they got the money.
	And just wasting cash, man.
	The Fox delays on their satellite feed are 2, 3, 4 seconds.
	Now it is video, so they're adding that, but it's ridiculous.
	It's ridiculous!
	And control.
	And that's the part that Purgosian does do.
	You warn that in the case of a coup or a mutiny, each side is battling to seize the narrative.
	What are the competing narratives here?
	You're seeing a lot more narrative creation now that things are over.
	Purgosian wants to make it seem as if he could have succeeded.
	Putin is trying to make it seem that Purgosian's activities were highly threatening to the state, but he was in control all along, and that he's still in control.
	Both sides want to create an impression, to create an understanding of what occurred, because of the consequences for their existing position.
	If Pugosian can make it seem like he came very close to succeeding, it'll make it a little bit harder for people to assassinate him, because if they assassinate him, maybe his troops will rise up, and maybe they'll overthrow the government.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's far-fetched.
	Total CIA guy, this.
	It's about narrative creation.
	Yeah, this is exactly what they're trying to do.
	You think it's far-fetched?
	No, I think it's far-fetched.
	His thesis, at the end, is far-fetched, which is that, oh, Pregotian only did this so he won't get assassinated?
	That is the logic of it.
	Nah, it's bull.
	This guy is a ghost.
	Well, I think this writer is working for somebody that's connected.
	I think you're right.
	He knows how it works.
	Speaking of narrative creation...
	Very surprising.
	And I have not seen this movie yet.
	Sound of Freedom.
	I think I talked about it on the last show.
	Mel Gibson promoted it.
	Sound of Freedom.
	And this is a true story.
	It's based on a true story of a guy who made it his job to go and find children who had been abducted.
	Now, again, it's in theaters, so I haven't seen it yet, but it was outpacing everything this weekend in the box office, including Indiana Jones, which is a multi-hundred-million-dollar production.
	And this shall not stand.
	All of a sudden, this has become a QAnon movie, for some reason.
	And even Rolling Stone Okay, so the guys who produce this are this, and it's partially crowdfunded, it's Angel Studios from Dallas.
	This is the guy that did... Yeah, your guys.
	Yes, your guys.
	The Jesus Revolution, he did The Chosen, very successful Christian series.
	And so, you know, they produce this on a low budget.
	People start loving it.
	I think this is the second weekend that it's out.
	And all of a sudden, oh no, this is QAnon.
	Jim Caviezel, the guy who starred in it, he's QAnon.
	He's all QAnon conspiracy theory.
	None of it's true.
	I mean, just listen to how Rolling Stone treats this movie.
	Sounds of Freedom is a superhero movie for dads with brain worms.
	Okay, now that's funny, but... The QAnon-tinged thriller about child trafficking is designed to appeal to the conscience of a conspiracy-addled boomer.
	Wow, I like the phrase, a conspiracy-addled boomer.
	It's dynamized.
	Too long for a title.
	Whoever put that one together gets a couple of candy, some suckers.
	Based on a true story, the familiar words had appeared on the screen and an elderly man had taken upon himself to read them aloud to the rest of the sizable audience seated for a matinee showing of the anti-child trafficking thriller Sound of Freedom, starring Jim Caviezel.
	I think that's how you pronounce it.
	For the seasoned moviegoer, this phrase is a joke!
	We know that cinema will stretch almost any truth to the breaking point.
	And the rank insincerity of such a pronouncement is the foundation of the prankish opening titles of Fargo.
	I think that, so this guy he played, oh this is best, the Caviezel, best known for being tortured to death in Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ.
	You mean he played Jesus?
	Is that, is that?
	He's, he, Caviezel, I don't know how you pronounce his last name, but he was the guy who was in Person of Interest, which was a long-running TV thriller show.
	It was quite good.
	And he's been in a lot of stuff, and yes, he did play the Christ in that Gibson movie.
	No, no.
	He played the guy best known for being tortured.
	Not Jesus, not Jesus, no.
	Not Jesus, no.
	No, no, it's not Jesus.
	Just some guy, some random torturer.
	Some dude, some dude who got tortured, exactly.
	That's funny.
	Good catch.
	Ballard himself... Heaven forbid we use the word Jesus Christ in our publication!
	No, this would be wrong!
	We're dedicated atheists!
	Sound of Freedom lives up to its anticipation.
	It's a stomach-turning experience, fetishizing the torture of its child victims and lingering over lush preludes to their sexual abuse.
	It sounds to me, just reading this and seeing Guardian articles that are very similar, bent.
	I hear Washington Post.
	Let me read this for a second.
	Washington Post.
	The low-budget film about child sex trafficking almost topped the box office on July 4th, but its star Jim Caviezel has linked it to the QAnon movement.
	Well, I have a clip.
	I have a clip too, but I'd love to hear yours first.
	Well, you're gonna have to use your search engine because it's from a couple shows ago.
	Okay.
	It's the adrenochrome clip.
	With Jim Caviezel on Steve Bannon's show.
	Woo-hoo!
	For labor, for slave labor?
	Or is it adrenochrome?
	The whole adrenochrome empire.
	This is a big deal.
	It is listed under the NIH.
	It is a chemical compound.
	It's a molecular structure.
	It's C9H9NO3.
	It's an elite drug that they've used for many years.
	It's ten times more potent than heroin and it has some mystical qualities as far as making you look younger.
	There's that scene in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas that nobody could figure out.
	No, I saw that.
	Why does MS-13 have the most advanced guns?
	Why do we, the Sinaloan gangs, have all the... How come 110,000 people died or disappeared in Mexico City?
	Where did they go?
	And they're starting to pull people out of body bags now.
	How?
	This is just insane.
	With our special forces and we don't take care of this?
	You can't just have that demand unless somehow that's organized also.
	100%.
	I believe... 100%?
	Okay, so the agents that I've spoken to... Alright, here's the deal.
	As for a barrel...
	Of oil.
	$77 for a barrel of body parts and what's going to be a adrenochrome, all the plumes that are in the woman's mother's wombs.
	That goes from a plastic barrel.
	That's $77,000.
	Now that gets sent into these bio labs.
	$77.
	$77,000 for Ukrainians have Russian bloodline and everything.
	$77,000 for Ukrainians have Russian bloodline and everything.
	And then I started looking up that.
	And then I started looking up this battalion stuff.
	- The Nazis. - So in this Washington Post, that's a good clip by the way.
	In this Washington Post article, here it comes.
	He is focused on one QAnon belief in particular while promoting Sound of Freedom.
	The idea that child traffickers drain children's blood to harvest a life-giving substance called adrenochrome.
	Speaking to a QAnon-affiliated conference in Oklahoma in 2021, the actor said Ballard wanted to join him, but he's down there saving—this is the guy, the real guy—but he's down there saving children as we speak, because they're pulling kids out of the darkest recesses of hell right now in all kinds of places.
	The adrenochroming of children.
	The moderator asked him to elaborate.
	If a child knows he's going to die, his body will secrete this adrenaline, Caviezel said, his voice catching.
	These people that do it, there'll be no mercy for them.
	This is one of the best films I've done ever in my life.
	This film is on Academy Award level.
	In reality, this is back to Washington Post, adrenochrome is a relatively mundane chemical compound created by oxidizing adrenaline Though the author, Hunter S. Thompson, portrayed it as a kind of super drug popular with pedophiles in fear and loathing in Las Vegas.
	Now, John, you're the chemical engineer.
	You're the chemist.
	I mean, this adrenochrome.
	You can look it up in Wikipedia.
	Adrenochrome is there.
	Yes.
	I have no idea.
	Well, I think it's toxic.
	I have no idea.
	I don't know anything about it.
	I think a lot of this is... I mean, Hunter was a very creative person.
	I've met him a few times, talked to him on the phone.
	Thompson?
	Really?
	Yeah, I had lunch with him once with Hearst.
	Now, did you have a nice cup of adrenochrome with Hunter?
	No, he drinks...
	It was interesting.
	He drank for lunch.
	He had a tall tumbler with no ice of Chivas.
	Oh, wow.
	A nice lunch drink.
	And he always seemed, he was also at the Salmoner parties, he went to a couple of them, the Christmas party, and he always had these girls around him.
	He seemed, which now there's some evidence that one of them was a dude, his handler.
	But he always seemed kind of dingy.
	So I don't know.
	I think he made it up.
	But the thing is, I'm not so sure that the adrenochrome is even mentioned in the movie.
	No, I don't think it is.
	I can't wait to see it now.
	And by the way, it doesn't matter.
	Someone, a troll points out quite correctly.
	If people think it gives them superpower, they'll want it anyway.
	Yes.
	Look, all I know is for the mainstream media to discredit this movie based upon this, I think is disingenuous.
	They're probably covering for the studio.
	That's probably the biggest problem is whoever did Indiana Jones is losing their shirt.
	That's not supposed to happen.
	That's not supposed to happen.
	And you cannot deny that there's a lot of child trafficking and pedophilia.
	There's a lot of missing children.
	The number of missing children in the country is outrageous.
	It's like $85,000 a year or something, or more?
	So here's CNN speaking, so they have to pull it all to QAnon, which QAnon, what I remember QAnon was, was Q, Q was, you know, was posting pictures of like, dropping truths, etc.
	Truth bombs.
	Truth bombs, and no, truths.
	And, you know, and where we go one, we go all, and you know, whatever.
	But this discrediting of this movie, which is clearly about child abduction and the child trafficking, which is real.
	That's real.
	Why are they covering it up in such a drastic manner?
	Here's CNN, just for an example of it.
	You seem pretty familiar with him because he doesn't really hide his association with this real wild plot that involves, you know, drinking the blood of children and things like that.
	No, he doesn't hide it at all.
	And you have a lot of people who are in this world of QAnon who say, oh, they don't know what that is.
	They've never heard of it.
	They're just asking questions.
	With somebody like Jim Caviezel, he is openly embracing it.
	He's openly using its catchphrases and its concepts.
	He's speaking at QAnon conventions.
	And this film is being marketed to either specific QAnon believers or to people who believe all of the same tenets as QAnon, but claim they don't know what it is.
	And The Sound of Freedom does focus on a real issue of sex trafficking.
	But that theme, it's sort of like that kernel of truth that feeds the QAnon conspiracy theory.
	Tell us how those two things work together.
	So the kernel of truth that children are trafficked, that's the kernel That feeds the QAnon conspiracy, therefore that movie's no good!
	Freedom does focus on a real issue of sex trafficking.
	But that theme, it's sort of like that kernel of truth that feeds the QAnon conspiracy theory.
	Tell us how those two things work together.
	Sure.
	And the most durable and the most believable conspiracy theories are not entirely false.
	There's something in them that is true and the rest of it is false.
	But the believers point to the one true thing and they say, oh, you don't believe that this particular thing is true.
	In terms of child trafficking, we know trafficking is real.
	We know it has real victims.
	No one is denying that.
	But these films are created out of moral panics.
	They're created out of bogus statistics.
	They're created out of fear, and with something like Sound of Freedom, it specifically is looking at QAnon concepts of these child trafficking rings that are run by the high-level elites, and only people like Tim Ballard, and only people like Jim Caviezel, and by extension, only people like the ticket buyer can help bring these trafficking rings down.
	So there's a very participatory element.
	You're not just going to see a movie, you're just killing two hours on a hot day.
	You are helping bring down these pedophile rings and save children.
	Now, it's not true, but it's a very comforting and it's a very warm feeling to have.
	Wow!
	Way to bring- First of all, this movie is going to be one of the biggest box offices of all times now.
	Yeah, with that kind of promotion.
	And so how- Now, I was not interested in this movie, and now I want to see it!
	Yes!
	And how is it?
	That this is a problem.
	This movie about child trafficking is a problem.
	But this is okay!
	I've always wanted to be able to laxate.
	And today, my doctor, after my EKG results, said that she's feeling confident enough to start me on this medication.
	Regularly.
	And it has some mysterious side effects, but I'm only going to be taking it for two weeks, up to three weeks possible.
	Now, by the way, tell me this isn't Matthew McConaughey.
	Um, so within two weeks, I should be lactating.
	The rest is on me.
	I'm going to have to pump, make people supply.
	A little anoidal.
	This is the tough part.
	I have one pump.
	I need two pumps.
	And I'm, The amount of pumping that I have to do to lactate is going to require a better pump than what I got.
	I mean, I have an electric pump, but I need the two of them, and I need them where they're more compact.
	And I'm going to start a GoFundMe.
	So this is it.
	Crowdfund a movie about child trafficking.
	You are QAnon.
	This is no good.
	You got brain worms.
	But crowdfund for that dude to lactate.
	Right on!
	This is America, baby!
	Yeah!
	And you know what's disgusting?
	I had that clip too.
	Yeah, of course you did.
	Is the second part of this where I didn't clip it because I was actually grossed out.
	Go ahead, say it.
	He's actually lactating and he shows this milk in a jar.
	He shakes it.
	It's like it's enough to make you throw up.
	And he's so proud of himself.
	And he says he can't wait to give babies trans milk.
	That was the punchline.
	You forgot that part.
	Yes, yeah, he went on and on.
	It was really gross.
	That guy's, and the guy's, he's got bald heads, shaved head, gauged ears, so there's big holes in his ear lobes, and a nose ring and a piercing in his chin.
	It's just a grotesque person.
	Yes.
	But that's all good.
	That's all good.
	Give that guy a primetime show.
	Well, thank God there's a movement here.
	I'm very happy that this is happening.
	This is so, so odd.
	You know, it's like you're overstepping your bounds, people.
	Your underwear is showing.
	The vigor that they're going after this movie can only be for one of two things.
	One, The money that is being lost, which is likely, lost on these huge productions.
	Oppenheimer was supposed to be the big 4th of July movie.
	That's a total... I don't even want to see it.
	I know we've heard so much about Oppenheimer.
	Why are we getting this movie?
	It's like...
	So it's old news.
	The only thing I could think about that is because it's about, you know, the atom bomb.
	And I was listening to Bobby the K on Lex Friedman, which I was very interested in because I know Lex Friedman would, you know, abhor him.
	And the K is talking about the duck and cover days during the 12 days of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
	The duck and cover days went throughout the 50s.
	Yes, but during that time they were doing duck and cover in school and his dad, Robbie, Robbie the K, had said, I don't want you doing that.
	Because I don't want anyone to see that you're, you know, you're ducking and covering, you're going into the basement, you're going into the shelter.
	He says because the whole duck and cover thing is a psychological operation on the American people to accept the whole notion of nuclear warfare.
	Which I'd never heard anyone admit before.
	And so the op-ed is interesting.
	I mean, you would duck and cover anyway because everyone else is.
	So I think, I think that... Is that a dog barking?
	That's a dog barking, yes.
	You know, she smells adrenochrome.
	And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage in the morning.
	To you, the man who put the C in the coup and the adrenochrome.
	Ladies and gentlemen, say hello to my friend on the other end, the one and only Mr. John C. DeVore!
	Well, in the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry.
	No more ships, sea boots, and graffiti in the air, subs, and water, and all the names and nights out there.
	And in the morning to the trolls in the troll room.
	I was like, hey, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see It's okay, Phoebs.
	It's okay.
	It's okay.
	Good girl.
	I like the sound.
	It's great.
	She's got a big voice on her.
	We have 2,409 trolls with us today, which I think is pretty good.
	Phoebe, it's okay.
	That's pretty normal.
	Phoebe, quiet!
	She listens to me.
	I have control.
	Is that normal?
	It's good for us.
	It's normal for a Sunday.
	We're on par.
	It's not high, not low.
	It's good.
	It's okay.
	Trolls, they're in the troll room and they hang out there live on show days, Thursdays and Sundays.
	Why?
	Well, because they are an important part of our live studio audience.
	They are the live studio audience and they have a feedback mechanism.
	We love it when they jump into the troll room.
	So they're listening live and can jump in.
	Trollroom.io if you want to participate.
	It's very simple.
	Or we recommend one of those modern podcast apps.
	It's a wave of the future.
	Now with licensed music coming soon, with Value for Value music, stay tuned for that.
	But you've got these apps like Podverse.
	I'm going to promote Podverse today.
	There's others, you know, Podcast Guru, Podcast Addict, Fountain.
	But Podverse will actually alert you when we go live and you tap on your notification, it opens up the troll room, you can chat right away, you can listen to the stream.
	It's a fantastic experience.
	Now, you can also, if you so choose, you can follow us on noagendasocial.com, which, and I stand corrected.
	Ehrener has said that, he said, oh no, if Threads, that is the new Mark Zuckerberg Twitter clone, Threads, if they want to federate with us, he's all for it.
	So let's see how long that lasts.
	Let's see how long your post on No Agenda Social will be able to be seen on threads.
	I'm sure that'll be quite a long lasting experience.
	I don't think it's going to be for long.
	I don't think so either.
	The No Agenda Show is a value for value proposition.
	It's been that way.
	We're now in our 16th year, which means we don't have any ads, we don't take any creepy commercial deals, no corporate money.
	It's just you, who we have always, well, from almost show Five or six probably have called producers because you support us.
	You support the show.
	You support it in many ways.
	Time, talent, treasure.
	Those are the three T's.
	You can do lots of things.
	You can give us boots on the ground reports because everyone's an expert in something.
	We love those.
	People make jingles, set up servers, maintain things for us that no agenda, our generator, the shop.
	I mean, there's all kinds of things.
	One of the biggest talents that we like taking advantage of is that of our artists.
	And they upload...
	During the live show, they are working hard like, you know, sketch, super fast sketch artists, but they do high-end arts, a lot of them, and upload it to artgenerator.com so that we can, right after the show is done, we don't edit, we just, you know, put in the ID3 tags, and we do put a little opening, fun opening at the beginning, and then we add some art to it, and the art shows up in all of the podcast apps, it's something new, it's something fresh, it's not the same old logo like everybody else,
	We've been doing it as, I think, one of the longest-running shows ever to do it.
	And we, of course, want to critique those who screwed it up and did something horrible that we didn't choose, which is fun, because no one will give you honest opinion these days, because, you know, feelings.
	But we also want to hype up the winning piece of art, which was Sir Parker Pawley with just an outstanding piece.
	This was the No Agenda Biden-Harris logo with cocaine overtones, shall I say.
	You know, also Paul Couture should be given some kudos for changing the layout of this page.
	Yes, he's done it now.
	Thank you, I noticed that too.
	He's done it now by, he's given us... By show number.
	Yeah, show number.
	So it's easier for us to figure out what show this came in for.
	What are we looking at?
	Excuse me.
	So yes, the Biden-Harris thing, which was the first thing, I mean, it was just... It jumped off the pitch.
	There's a lot of good stuff here, which is, it's always got to be annoying to the artist when they do good work, and there's a lot of good work in this one.
	There's about five pieces that are usable.
	Stunning.
	A lot of them I like.
	Stunning pieces, really.
	And, uh... Well, let's see.
	So we had the Biden-Harris, which was the razor blade, although, you know, I got Christina and Kevin here.
	And he said, that's a great piece of art, but Dad, just so you know, nobody uses a razor blade anymore.
	So he called me out as a fuddy-duddy.
	You're a fuddy-duddy.
	Fuddy-duddy.
	Did you ask them what they use instead of a razor blade?
	Yeah, of course.
	They just do molly.
	Then you should have called the cops.
	We don't do coke.
	We just do molly.
	There were some other good pieces.
	A lot of banana peels, which were appealing, but didn't quite cut it.
	Ghost guns was cute.
	I personally thought the Kenny Ben Tantaniel was very funny.
	That's a Dutch joke.
	Well, I liked the comic strip blogger's Fredericksburg.
	We have gays.
	We've got lots of gays.
	It was a little too small, but I liked it too.
	I thought it was funny.
	And that is the Fredericksburg sign.
	Yeah, the Fredericksburg.
	We have gays.
	We've got lots of gays.
	We're a gay-friendly town.
	So you know it.
	Hunter's Oreo, cute, because they're more addictive than Kodak.
	By the way, I will say this about that we have gays, we have lots of gays.
	Yeah.
	Contrast helps.
	Yeah.
	Yes, I agree.
	Jack the contrast a little bit on this piece.
	Yeah, because it kind of blended into the background too much.
	It's like low contrast.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	What else was there?
	Media assassins, poster, cute, but no, no.
	Hunter Biden, lots of Hunter Biden Coke baggies.
	Yeah, yeah.
	There's just no doubt.
	This Parker Pauly piece was a winner.
	A clear winner, a dynamite winner, and just a great job.
	Really was a great job.
	Well, the best of the banana peel piece we should mention is Sizzletron had a banana peel that was in the form of a like a slipper or a high heel.
	Yeah, that was very cute.
	But what was good about this piece to me was it's very dimensional.
	It's very, it's just a beautiful piece of art.
	Calling out the dimensionality of the art.
	Oh, yeah.
	Very good.
	Very good.
	So in this value for value model, the idea is You get the show.
	We don't put it behind a paywall.
	We don't make you subscribe.
	We don't have to do a Patreon.
	No, you just subscribe to it.
	You could even just download it from the webpage if you want.
	Or go to noagendashow.net.
	Which has a lot of the 2.0 features, by the way.
	The chapters, transcripts, all the show notes.
	You also get the show notes.
	You get all the clips.
	You can make your own show notes.
	The show notes are valuable forever.
	Yes.
	Oh yeah.
	And they're searchable now with bingit.io.
	Another beautiful piece of value from Sir Deanonomous.
	This is how the system works.
	Now, so people get value.
	They do stuff.
	Like, hey, I'm going to make some art.
	I'm going to try this.
	I'll do that.
	Now, if everybody who listens, once in a while, chipped in a buck or two, it would be dynamite.
	But instead, we go through this, for years, this seesaw.
	You know, it's like, oh, we're up and we're down.
	We're up and we're down.
	And it all, and after 4th of July, everything goes, we're up and we're down.
	And then we have to say, yeah, we're not, there's not enough support.
	We go up and we're down.
	It's not, it's nauseating.
	It's nauseating.
	It is.
	Just ask yourself, did I get any value from this?
	Is it worth a cup of coffee?
	The three hours we brought you, is it worth a cup of coffee?
	Certainly.
	There has to be some value that you can ascribe to it.
	Do that.
	Please.
	In fact, I'm going to tell you where to do that up front.
	We have a website for that, which I'm told will be updated soon.
	We're going to do one donation segment today, because it's all short enough, and we will be thanking Up front are executive producers and associate executive producers, because not only do you get to return the value, but if you come in at $200 above or $300 above, we give you a title as an executive producer or associate executive producer for this episode, which is a real credit.
	What are you drinking?
	I'm drinking a Bud Light.
	I'm sure you are.
	Let us start with our first executive producer, Erica Waltz, who checks in from Phoenix, Arizona.
	Oh, I hear those suds soaking now.
	And Erica bops off right away with an insta-dame.
	1000, love the show, and I share it with normies often, so maybe they can wake up!
	I just became a dame, henceforth dame Mad Dog Goodwin.
	Yes, you will be damed as such.
	I'd like for you guys to send a special shout out to my fellow listeners, a beautiful new couple known as the Wowers.
	Hello, Wowers!
	We are very thankful for Erica, and she loves you, Wowers.
	And we'll see you on the podium in a moment, Erica.
	Meanwhile...
	Aaron Bauer, also in Phoenix, coincidentally, came in with another $1,000.
	And he's got no note or anything, and I couldn't find anything, it looked.
	That's interesting.
	So I'm not sure if there's a relationship between Aaron and Erica or not.
	Whatever the case is, he'll get a double karma and he'll let us know what he wants to do.
	As far as knighting.
	Now perhaps, perhaps this is some value being returned to us from Arizona natives as we received reports that our rain stick shaking had indeed created monsoon related thunderstorms across southeast Arizona.
	Yeah.
	And people were very happy, very happy with our rain stick prowess once again.
	So maybe they're just happy, and they're returning some value for us bringing the rain.
	Yeah, that could be.
	It's possible.
	Sir Jeff is in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.
	333.33, one of our favorite donation amounts.
	In the morning, show day!
	Got it.
	Hold on, man.
	Where's my jingles here?
	Here we go.
	Show day.
	On Noah Jones Social, the 4th of July, I posted with an at Adam, a new karma.
	I was hoping to introduce this donation.
	Yes, I have it here.
	Um, could you play it along with some health karma as I'm dealing with a bad wheel at the moment.
	A bad wheel?
	Hmm.
	And a biscuit for my birthday.
	Yes, Sir Jeff of PA Route 33, this show from here on be known as the Yeah!
	Goat Karma.
	They always give me a biscuit on my birthday.
	You've got Yeah!
	Karma.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	People might like it, I don't know.
	There's somebody belching.
	It's in the bin.
	That was 330-333, and so is Sir Dirk V in Des Moines, Iowa, 333.33.
	Keep it up, he says.
	Trump dumps jingle and sales karma, please, thanks.
	They did dumps.
	They call them dumps.
	Big, massive dumps.
	You've got karma.
	Lee Perkis is in Birmingham.
	That's in the West Midlands in Great Britain, 333, with a somewhat cryptic note.
	I shall read verbatim.
	I've had to suppress my rage over the past three weeks because every city of F-ed.
	I now have to tell these fools, if you F with me, your blood will be sidewalk.
	The.
	The yours are F-ed in every country.
	What does this even mean?
	I don't know what it means, Lee.
	I hope that's what you wanted us to read.
	So we're good.
	We're good.
	There you go.
	I'm missing keys on the typewriter, perhaps.
	Yes.
	Shane Phillips in Virginia Beach, Virginia 333.33.
	This will be the last show for a couple of months for fellow executive producer, for fellow executive producer as he heads off to Club Fed for J6 persecution.
	Mutiny!
	Somebody's going to, somebody's going to the slammer, the big house.
	For J6.
	Uh, prayers and karma requested.
	Eyes and heart on Christ, brother.
	We'll be there.
	Or we'll be here when you get back.
	Okay, this is for one of his friends, I guess.
	P.S.
	Don't drop the soap.
	Always good advice.
	You've got karma.
	You know, they have that stupid J-Pay in federal prison.
	I know, a friend of mine was there.
	And you can get, like, audiobooks, which you have to pay an outrageous amount for.
	Oh, yeah.
	But they don't have podcasts.
	I would love for the best podcast in the universe to be in.
	All you have to do is get a hold of scammers that put that JPay together and they'll be glad to help you.
	That's what I thought, but I tried.
	No, it's not going to happen.
	You tried?
	Yes, of course I tried.
	Because they have a radio.
	I even considered at some point taking a little Raspberry Pi that had, you know, being able to plug it in outside the wall nearby with a little transmitter so that it would download the latest NOAA Agenda and then it would replay that on the little transmitter so they could listen to it inside.
	Yeah, it didn't happen.
	But the thought was there.
	Michael Schmitt, Westchester, Pennsylvania, 333.
	I see no note from Michael Schmitt, so he'll also get a double-up karma.
	You've got... karma.
	Sir Dick Spurt in Hudson, Florida.
	Uh, comes in for 233-33.
	He'll be associate exec.
	It's my 52nd birthday today, July 9th.
	This donation puts me over the threshold for title change from knight to baronet.
	No jingles, just some jobs karma for my accounting.
	Oh, I'm sorry, for my upcoming move back to Minnesotanuts.
	Sir Dixpert.
	The Sakim of dudes named Ben.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You suck.
	Satchim.
	I think Satchim.
	It's gonna be Satchim.
	Rick Bunch.
	Laverkin, Utah.
	Laverkin, Utah.
	202.02.
	It's ducks with eggs.
	Thanks to the best podcast in the universe.
	Please send my first son Alex, who passed, late birthday karma for June 26th.
	Of course you will.
	Please send my oldest boy birthday karma on October 28th and make sure he knows that men, he him, wear belts and watches.
	You may want to check back in on October 28th and make sure he's back on the list there.
	But we will take care of Alex for you, of course.
	Our pleasure.
	Yeah.
	Onward with... There it is.
	There she is.
	Yeah.
	And it always lands on me by coincidence.
	Really?
	Is it a coincidence?
	Yeah, Linda Lupatkin in Lakewood, Colorado.
	I don't know if it's a coincidence.
	200 bucks.
	It's not a coincidence.
	Jobs karma for all you hunters, job hunters out there.
	And for a competitive edge, go to ImageMakersInc.com for all of your executive resume and job search needs.
	Or just find Linda Lupatkin under the show's executive producer list and run a search.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	I have to say, I think your delivery is getting better.
	Yeah?
	Yes, yes, it's on point.
	Uh, final associate executive producer from Wabidi.
	Wabidi in Canton, Missouri, 200.
	Wabidi, Wabidi, Wabidi.
	We believe your listeners, slash producers, will enjoy our single images, as it is about the invisible and visible frequencies and programming that seem impossible to escape in modern times.
	Funny thing is... Funny thing is... Yeah.
	What?
	Go ahead.
	Keep reading.
	Funny thing is we recorded the track in the 90s.
	Yes, those 90s.
	If you would like to use it in your after show mix, we would be honored.
	I can Dropbox you.
	Shrinking amygdalas for 25 years.
	Boom, shakalaka.
	The full album is available at wobiddyhq.com.
	W-O-B-I-T-T-Y-H-Q.com.
	It's value for value with a minimum requirement.
	Thanks for all you and the producers do.
	Bi-weekly.
	50-something-year-old guys see a passion project to fruition.
	I just want to play a little piece of this and let you know that they are value for value on wavelink.com.
	That's not bad.
	It's kind of like a reggae vibe.
	So you can go stream some value to them over at wavelake.com and I'll give them a karma here.
	You've got karma.
	Now that wraps up our Executive and Associate Executive Producers for Episode 1571 for this July 9th.
	And since it's all pretty short from here on out, why don't you take us through to the 50s, John?
	Sure.
	Stephen Adams in Oxford, Mississippi. $100.
	Uh, for the meetup coming up.
	Adam Fredrick, which we'll talk about later.
	Adam Fredrick, Orange, Vermont.
	Uh, 8066.
	Want some career karma?
	We'll give him that at the end.
	David Librand in Cape Floral.
	Cape Coral, Florida. 8008.
	Good for him.
	Nicole LaRocco in Cape Coral, Florida.
	Oh, I bet you there's a relationship here because she came in with 8008.
	And then Kevin McLaughlin in Locust, North Carolina, 8008.
	Longest running boob, Mr. Boob, yes.
	Brent Bauckham in Garland, Texas, 8008.
	Curtis Kuhl in East Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania.
	You know, there's a guy who used to have a... I built a sterling car once.
	You built a sterling?
	Yeah, I built a sterling.
	And I... not only that, but I swapped out the Volkswagen engine and put a Porsche engine in it, which was an interesting process.
	That's badass!
	Yeah, you put the six-cylinder Porsche engine in there?
	No, it was the four.
	Oh.
	It was the flat one.
	It was the only one you could fit in there.
	And there used to be a guy who got all the sterling owners in trouble because he kept ditching the police.
	And his name was Joe Cool, spelled exactly the same way.
	Dude, what color was your sterling?
	Bright orange.
	You really drove one of these?
	Yeah.
	No.
	Did the top, you had the removable top and everything?
	No, it never was removable, it just opened funny.
	Oh, I thought that's how it opened.
	I thought it was removable.
	No.
	The whole top comes off when you get out.
	Right.
	It was a kit car, right?
	Yeah, it was a kit car.
	Dude, what happened to it?
	I sold it to a guy in San Jose eventually, like maybe 10 years ago.
	I would have loved to have seen you roll up in that.
	Hey, girls.
	Well, in terms of a pickup car, believe me, a Corvette was a better idea.
	I'll tell you why.
	For one thing, you couldn't roll up to anyone and say, hi girls, because the windows didn't open.
	No, you had to open the whole roof.
	You had to take the whole roof off to say, hi girls, then you look like a doofus.
	Okay, that was problem one.
	Wow, component cars.
	Plus, there's some nice pipes on that thing.
	That little Porsche engine sounded good with some... I forgot the brand, but there was some... Yeah, side pipes, side pipes, side pipes.
	No, no, they went out the back.
	Wow, they should reissue this thing again.
	What a cool thing to build.
	What a cool car that was.
	Yeah, it's one of the best looking cars I've ever driven.
	Yeah.
	Kurt is cool anyways, in East Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania, 7714.
	And he thanks us for working on the holidays.
	Yeah, it's our pleasure, man.
	That's a birthday for him, or someone.
	Ashley Larson in Ham Lake, Minnesota, 6006.
	Kevin McLaughlin, ooh, in Concord, North Carolina.
	What did he move?
	His small boobs.
	Interesting.
	606, yes, change of address.
	Oh, all right.
	He's moved to Concord.
	So, small boobs.
	Ed Webster in New York at Birthday 5331.
	Is there anything in there?
	Check it out.
	So, I don't know how to pronounce this name, but it's in Austin, Texas.
	This is a switcheroo for my son John Walton, 51, 20.
	Sig Ealton.
	Ed is asking for a shout out for Smoking Hot Wife.
	She's 53, and their 31st wedding anniversary is this week, and they could really use some super jobs, Carmen, so I'll give that to them at the end.
	Josiah Thomas.
	Did you see the Sig CG Eilton Austin?
	Yeah, I don't know what that means.
	Josiah, Josiah Thomas in Ankeny, Iowa, 51.
	Bob Butler in Cumming, Georgia, 50, 69.
	Bad idea supply!
	50-0-5.
	I don't have a bad idea supply.
	Joseph Gill in Lakeville, Minnesota.
	Now it's 50-40.
	And he wants to call out his freeloading mooch of a brother Mark.
	As a douchebag.
	Jonathan Meyer in Xenia, Ohio.
	50.
	These are all 50s now.
	I'm going to just name a location.
	I don't have very many donors today.
	Jonathan Meyer in Zinnia, Ohio.
	Edward Mazurek in Memphis, Tennessee.
	Robertson Holm in Flint, Michigan.
	Justin Cruz in Tehachapi, California.
	Capek Chiropractic in Capek, Michigan.
	George Wouchette in La Vernia, Texas.
	Joseph Stark in No City Provided.
	I like the way that shows on it.
	Nadia Borg in San Marcos, California.
	Dazzilla in Cornersville, Tennessee.
	And it's a birthday call out for Phone Boy.
	Josh Mike in Fargo, North Dakota.
	And last on our list today, amongst the very few donors, only 38 total, including the executive producers, William Dolge in Bristolville, Ohio.
	I make that 37 because the first row is zero.
	Nothing is empty.
	I want to thank these people anyway for, them in particular, for helping us make the show 15, is 1571 a reality?
	And a special reading of a note here from our layaway knight.
	This is John, he will become a knight today.
	Hello Adam and John.
	I'm writing as I've recently become a knight through the 3333 plan.
	Please dub me Sir John of the discount dairy section.
	Thank you to you and everyone who contributes to No Agenda.
	It's the most complete and efficient way to shrink your amygdala and to stay aware of incoming threats.
	I want to call out my friend Scott the K as a douchebag.
	And job prayers will be appreciated.
	Well, we have some karma and of course the prayers will be in our prayers.
	God bless, he says, and he'll be on the podium in just a moment now.
	As requested earlier, super jobs karma.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs.
	With a bit of a go.
	And thank you to all of our executive and associate executive producers for supporting us here for 1571.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	What?
	Order.
	Shut up, Slade.
	Shut up.
	And remember, if you want to be a producer of the No Agenda show, go here.
	Forag.org.
	Slash N-A.
	It's a bad day, bad day.
	On No Agenda.
	And here's the list for today.
	Rick Bunch wishes his late son Alex a belated birthday.
	Happy birthday on June 26th.
	Curtis Cool wishes his son Max a happy birthday and turned 9 on July 7th.
	Sir Jeff of PA Room 33 celebrating today, as is Sir Dixon, who turns 52 today.
	Ed wishes his smoking hot wife JJ a happy birthday, turning 53 today.
	Dayszilla wishes Phone Boy a happy birthday, turning 50 today.
	Joseph Gill turns 40 tomorrow, and on Tuesday, happy birthday to the keeper, Tina Marie Curry.
	Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe!
	We do indeed have one title change for today.
	John, I'm sorry, Sir Dixpert.
	There we go.
	Sir Dixpert becomes a baronet due to his upping of support of the best podcast in the universe.
	And we appreciate that, Sir Dixpert, now officially a baronet.
	We have, let me see, well we have, oh crikey, we have only one, I thought we had a dame as well, didn't we have a dame?
	Yeah, we have a dame for sure.
	Why do I not see one of those?
	Yeah, I know we do.
	Hold on a second, something, I'm missing a dame here.
	I know because we just, we just, uh, we just... Yeah, yeah, it's right at the top.
	Thank you.
	It's the top person.
	Let me see what's going on.
	Erica Waltz.
	Nah, I'm sure... She's gonna be Dame Mad Dog Goodwin.
	Yeah, I'm pretty sure this was... No, how about that?
	No!
	It's not on there.
	Oh, really?
	Because it's in blue.
	This is a, this is the...
	This is going to cause a great consternation.
	Consternation in the back office!
	So it's Erica... Hold on, I can get this information here.
	I'm glad I caught it because that really sucks when you're waiting for it.
	Okay, Dame Mad Dog Goodwin.
	Yes, indeed.
	And Erica Waltz will become that.
	Okay, so we have Erica Waltz.
	All right.
	Caught just in the nick of time.
	Well, why don't we get out our blades then while we're... I got mine right here.
	That's good.
	Alright.
	Hey, guess what, Erica?
	We're ready for ya!
	I was wondering, like, who is this lady?
	Step on up!
	Ann, John, pop up here, man.
	You've been working on this for quite a long time with this layaway donation.
	Both of you have supported the Noah Jenner Show in the amount of $1,000 or more, and I'm very proud to pronunci-cate thee as...
	Sir John of the Discount Dairy Section, and Dame Mad Dog Goodwin for you!
	We've got Hookers and Blow, Rent Boys and Chardonnay.
	Maybe you'd like some Diet Soda and Video Games, or perhaps some Vodka and Vanilla, Geishas and Sake, Rubenes, Woman and Rosé, Bong Hits and Bourbon, anybody?
	Sparkling Cider and Escorts, Ginger Ale and Gerbils, always a crowd favorite.
	Breast Milk and Pablum, or how about the Mutton and the Mead?
	Yeah, of course.
	We all love mutton and mead.
	Head over to noagendarings.com.
	This is the ring that you will receive very soon in the mail.
	As soon as you give us a place to send it to, an address, and the ring size, and make sure you tweet something out, or put it on No Agenda Social, or just post it in the supermarkets.
	Everybody knows that you are a knight or a dame of the No Agenda Roundtable, and thank you very much for supporting us.
	us.
	We appreciate it.
	No agenda meetups!
	I sadly could not make the big Austin meetup this past weekend.
	Of course, we have the kids in town, so I didn't think they would appreciate driving an hour and 45 minutes to do the meetup in the back.
	They might have liked it for a little bit, but I decided against that.
	So instead, we thank everybody.
	How long are the kids going to be in town?
	They are going to go to Austin for two days on Thursday.
	So they'll be out of the house on Thursday and they fly back Sunday.
	From Austin?
	Yes, from Austin.
	Yes.
	Why?
	Oh, I was just wondering.
	Oh, okay.
	There you go.
	Curious?
	I gotcha.
	It's interfering with your schedule.
	Well, to some degree.
	Here's a meetup report from Oxford, Mississippi.
	ITM, John and Adam, this is Buffy at the first ever meetup in Oxford, Mississippi.
	MS, Mississippi.
	Hey, this is Blank Adams, just another dude named Ben at the first ever meetup.
	Hi, this is Greg.
	I've just been hit in the mouth, and here's the friend that did it.
	Hey, I'm John, and they're putting chemicals in the alcohol that are making me drunk.
	Thanks, John and Adam.
	This is Lance, and my wife hit me in the mouth, and I'm so glad I came.
	We'll see you at the next Velvet Ditch Meetup.
	All right.
	In the morning, to all of you, thank you very much for showing up.
	Here's a couple of meetups happening in the next few days.
	Today, actually, downtown, east-down-south, that's the meetup in Real Raipo, Taqueria.
	That's Scarborough in Maine, so you better hurry up if you want to catch that one.
	It may be over.
	The July 9th Harlem meetup, that is in the Netherlands.
	They're probably well underway and inebriated.
	That's the boat tour through Harlem's canals.
	I can't wait to hear that meetup.
	Wow.
	Yeah, the Dutch are creative, man.
	Mexico City's first meet-up, 5 o'clock Mexico City time.
	That'll be today, La Cervicera del Barrio, Mexico City, Polanco, Miguel Hildago, Mexico.
	Please don't take my directions as truth, but go to nojentomeetups.com to know what I just said.
	On Thursday, next show day, the so-called meet-up, 5 o'clock, that'll be at Nevermind Awesome Bar in Cape Coral, Florida.
	And the North Dakota-Norwegian crossover meetup at six o'clock at the Starving Rooster in Minnow, North Dakota.
	And then finally on Thursday, July 13th, the Denver... Minnow or Minnet?
	It's probably Minnet.
	You're probably right.
	Thank you.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	You say Minnow, Minnet.
	Minnets, Minnets.
	Yeah, it's North Dakota!
	Go to noagenda meetups.com.
	The Denver City Park Summer Slave Brigade, hooey hooey, kicks off at 6.30 in Denver City Park.
	That'll be in Denver, and Colin is organizing that.
	So this is your No Agenda Meetup.
	It's just a partial bit of the list.
	We're going all the way through the end of August already, if you want to find out where you can find one.
	This is your people!
	This is who you want to be with.
	These are the people who have something in common.
	It's not for normies, necessarily.
	You'll be able to meet some people who are quite normal, like yourself.
	We just have no issue.
	It's an amazing thing.
	This is the people who will save you in a pinch.
	It's your connection which brings you protection.
	noagendameetups.com If you can't find one near you, start one!
	It's easy!
	Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days.
	Like a body.
	You want to be where everybody feels the same.
	It's like a party.
	Like a party.
	Like a party.
	And even though we still have plenty of show left, ISOs?
	Did you bring any ISOs?
	I have one, but play yours first.
	Okay, I have two.
	Wow, that's amazing.
	That is absolutely amazing.
	That's nice.
	Here's my other one.
	SALAMANELLA!
	What?
	SALAMANELLA!
	SALAMANELLA!
	It's part of a clip that I didn't play.
	Good.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I only have one in this podcasting clip.
	Podcasts and alternative news outlets are enough.
	It's a little long.
	It's just a tad long.
	I mean, do you think that's better than the, thank you very, thank you very much, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you?
	We'll play yours again.
	Okay, hold on a second.
	I'm gonna re-rack.
	Gotta re-rack it!
	Takes a second to re-rack.
	Here it is.
	Here's mine.
	Wow, that's amazing.
	That is absolutely amazing.
	Come on.
	It's not great.
	It's got a little... I can cut that off.
	I can cut it off.
	Uh, I think the amazing one works.
	I don't have a problem with it.
	Podcasts and alternative news outlets are enough.
	Have you seen the podcast... You know, I have a beef here.
	I have a beef.
	Um, I do.
	I've got a couple of beefs.
	Yeah, a lot of beef in Texas.
	Yeah, we got tons of beef.
	U.S.
	podcast misinformation goes largely unchecked.
	Notice they never put our show in these articles.
	That's because we're never, we don't have misinformation.
	Exactly.
	But here's what they write.
	This is NewsGuard.
	So this is a stupid firm that is now, see, if we were doing ads, we would be broke.
	Because NewsGuard, a firm that rates the credibility of websites, announced in May it would begin evaluating the trustworthiness of popular podcasts.
	But this is the idea, is to run podcasts that are stupid enough to bring in advertisers that are squirrely, generally speaking.
	They're wimpy and squirrely.
	And they're like, are you sure we can do this with a podcast?
	I don't know, Bill, what do you think?
	And so they'll bail out left and right.
	And so they see us, and what's the point?
	NewsGuard said it will release the ratings for some 200 podcasts in 2024, giving more transparency to listeners.
	What?
	What's it going to do, transparency?
	What?
	Yeah, so listeners know.
	How's it giving transparency?
	What's it going to do to transparency?
	You don't like the podcast.
	Yeah.
	And enabling advertisers to avoid podcasts featuring misinformation or content at odds with their brand.
	Yeah, which is everyone.
	Editorial director Eric Efron said rating podcasts is, quote, more challenging than other content because of the audio format, which requires time to listen and to examine transcripts.
	And this takes a tremendous investment because we use human intelligence.
	Wow.
	Why would anyone use the word human intelligence unless they're spooks?
	Because he's playing off of AI, artificial intelligence.
	But here's the beef.
	Here's the beef that I have.
	Neo-Nazi podcasters who said Prince Harry and Meghan's son Archie is an abomination that should be put down for being mixed-race have been convicted of terror crimes!
	Now, I know a lot about podcasts.
	And in fact, you know, me and Dave Jones, we built a little index called PodcastIndex.org and we know what's a podcast and what's not a podcast.
	So, when they say, this is the Daily Mail, that these two jamokes, Christopher Gibbons, 38, and Tyrone Patton Walsh, 34, hosted Black Wolf Radio, a homophobic, racist, anti-Semitic, Islamophobic, and misogynistic podcast, I can tell you... To wrap and put it in a nutshell... I can tell you, that's not a podcast!
	It never was in the index, it was never subscribable, and we have everything that is nut job.
	It might have been a Rumble, it might have been a Brighteon, but they never put it up on an RSS feed.
	It's probably a Rumble.
	Yeah, so it's not a podcast.
	Get it right, Daily Mail.
	Well, I'm glad you excoriated them.
	Yeah, it's annoying.
	It's just annoying.
	All right, it's back.
	Okay, so I got Kennedy.
	I got this gal-loofed guy who's gonna, who's, I don't know, Israeli intelligence, maybe?
	I don't know what this guy is.
	Yeah, so explain the background of this gal-loofed guy.
	Because he just popped up out of nowhere.
	He's a whistleblower.
	He's Mossad, whatever.
	He's Israeli.
	He seems to have been in business.
	We don't know what he is.
	He is an Israeli, we know that.
	He seems to have been in business with Hunter, maybe, or something?
	He was in business with the Chinese oil company.
	And so all of a sudden this guy is spilling the tea on the Bidens.
	He explains it probably better than I can with clip one Biden hit Dr. Gal Luft.
	Good day.
	My name is Dr. Gal Luft.
	For the past 20 years, I have been the co-director of the Institute for the Analysis of Global Security, a Washington-based think tank focused on energy security.
	A think tank?
	For the past 15 years, I've been a resident of Israel.
	And for four years, I was Senior Advisor to the China Energy Company, CFC, at the same time of its dealings with the Biden family.
	Under normal circumstances, I would be testifying before Congress about my experience with CFC.
	Sadly, due to circumstances I shall describe here in this video, I am forced to tell you this story via video.
	My ordeal goes back to a fatal decision I made in March of 2019 to share with the US government my knowledge about the Biden family's relations with CFC.
	As I said, it was in March of 2019 in a two-day session at the US Embassy in Brussels.
	I insisted that the meeting take place in March because at the time there were rumors that Joe Biden was planning to run for president.
	I saw it as my civic duty to alert the government beforehand and give it enough time to probe the issue.
	I want to be clear.
	I'm not a Republican.
	I'm not a Democrat.
	I have no political motive or agenda.
	I did it out of deep concern.
	That if the Bidens were to come to power, the country would be facing the same traumatic Russia collusion scandal, only this time with China.
	Sadly, because of the DOJ's cover-up, this is exactly what happened.
	Couple things.
	One, CEFC, that's a Chinese energy firm, right?
	Yeah.
	Two, he said he made a fatal mistake Is he dead?
	No, he's not dead.
	Okay.
	Good point.
	And he also said no agenda, which I kind of liked.
	He kind of said no agenda.
	That's all I have to say.
	So he goes on, you know, there's a lot of clips here, but I'm only going to play a couple of them because he kind of, he's not interesting.
	In terms of his presentation, he doesn't have any dynamic range.
	He just goes on and on with the spiel.
	And you have to wonder who, he's an asset for someone.
	We can't figure out who, because why would we know?
	But here we go.
	The DOJ sent to Brussels a delegation of six people.
	Two prosecutors from the Southern District of New York, by the names of Daniel Reitenthal and Catherine Gauche.
	And four FBI agents.
	One of them was Special Agent Joshua Wilson from the Baltimore Field Office, which also happens to cover the state of Delaware.
	Now you want to ask yourself, why did the government dispatch to Europe so many people?
	Why six?
	Why not two?
	The answer is that they knew very well that I'm a credible witness and that I have insight and knowledge about the group and the individuals that enrich the Biden family.
	Over an intensive two-day meeting, I shared my information about the Biden family's financial transactions with CFC, including specific dollar figures.
	I also provided the name of Rob Walker, who later became known as Hunter Biden's ag man.
	Yet, as we now know today from the whistleblower testimony, Gary Shapley, it took the DOJ a whole 21 months to probe the issue and to actually talk to Walker.
	But perhaps the most alarming information I revealed was of a mole within the DOJ who shared classified information with Hunter Biden and his Chinese partners.
	I told the DOJ that Hunter was closely associated with a very senior retired FBI official who had distinct physical characteristics.
	He had one eye.
	One of the FBI agents at the time Even told me.
	You know, that would be very easy for us to find.
	There aren't that many one-eyed people in the Bureau.
	All right.
	I have a couple of questions, because of course I saw this whole thing.
	The whole thing is like 15 minutes.
	It goes on for days.
	One, why does this Israeli national, why is he really doing that?
	He's saying because he's so patriotic for America?
	I find that sketchy.
	I got questions too, keep going.
	Two, what is he really telling us that's new?
	Other than this, this is the only thing that's new is there was a mole.
	The one-eyed guy.
	The one-eyed DOJ guy.
	That guy.
	How about this for another question?
	Why is he going to the embassy in Belgium?
	There's an embassy in Tel Aviv.
	Another good question.
	Why doesn't he just go to the local embassy right there?
	He's in Israel.
	I don't know.
	I find this whole thing questionable.
	Fishy.
	Sketchy.
	I think it's, I think it's fishy in a lot of different, on a lot of dimensions.
	I really like the one-eyed guy, though.
	I mean, the one-eyed guy's a good touch.
	Cause you know, there's gonna be some guy who's just gonna show up on the scene and people are gonna go, that's him!
	That's the one-eyed guy!
	That's gotta be the guy, he's got one eye!
	You know that's gonna happen.
	You wanna play one more?
	Yeah, yeah, which one?
	Three.
	The information I provided the FBI in March of 2019 was fully corroborated nine months later, when the famous laptop belonging to Hunter Biden, which contained all the emails and receipts, was handed to the FBI.
	And guess who seized the laptop from the computer repair shop?
	It was Special Agent Joshua Wilson, Who was with me in Brussels earlier.
	In other words, the FBI knew about, from me, about the Biden CFC deals before they got hold of the laptop.
	Way before.
	They had enough time to investigate the issue, but they didn't.
	After Brussels, I never heard back from the DOJ.
	But instead of showing appreciation for my whistleblowing, I became public enemy number one.
	Over the past four years that followed, me, my family... Hold on a second.
	Whistleblowing is not just a guy who says, hey, some one-eyed dude knows all about it.
	A whistleblower is someone who works in government and is blowing the whistle on corruption or something happening inside the organization, inside government.
	Right, you have to be part, if he worked for the DOJ, he could say he was a whistleblower.
	Yeah, so I don't like any of this.
	He's not a whistleblower.
	I think you and I agree that clearly the Bidens are up to no good, but this guy just doesn't seem like the guy.
	You know, we need the one-eyed guy.
	That's clear.
	But he does bring up an interesting point about, you know, every time anyone goes after the Bidens...
	If we connect that to Biden being involved in the takedown of Europe, because he was mentioned in the phone call that we played, he's part of a bigger system.
	They can't afford to let him become a distraction in any way.
	So nothing's going to happen to Joe Biden.
	No, but we know Hunter is going to have this unfortunate jet engine ingestion accident.
	I like the fact that you're sticking with it.
	I'm sticking with it!
	After Brussels, I never heard back from the DOJ.
	But instead of showing appreciation for my whistleblowing, I became public enemy number one.
	Over the past four years that followed, me, my family, my friends, my associates, we were all arrested, intimidated, and finally, I was prosecuted.
	Despite all that, On the eve of the 2020 elections, I sent my lawyer to Washington to meet with then Acting Deputy Attorney General, Mr. Richard Toneyu, to ensure he was informed about the information I had given his department in Brussels 19 months earlier, and also to warn him that there may still be a mole within the DOJ.
	Mr. Donoghue confirmed to my lawyer that he was aware of my claims, but now we learn from the IRS whistleblower that it was Rich Donoghue himself who suspended the investigation a few weeks earlier, on September 4th, 2020, on the grounds that it was, quote, too close to the elections.
	I don't know, man.
	What is this guy's, you know, he ends it up with I'll always be on the run now.
	Yeah, right.
	I'll be on the lam.
	And why?
	What are you worried about?
	I don't know.
	I feel the same way you do.
	I think the whole thing.
	And I got more.
	We can stop it there because it's just pretty much the same.
	Yeah.
	But it's, you know, the DOJ is corrupt.
	It's the same.
	Oh, crunchy.
	But he names some names, which is kind of cool.
	But he himself, this guy, is a little sketchy.
	All right.
	Let me do some other stuff.
	Here's something that we've been hearing for several weeks.
	We've talked about it on the show.
	We've gotten people to explain to us what they are.
	And once again, here comes Forever Chemicals.
	Forever Chemicals.
	It's everywhere.
	They're forever.
	They're chemicals that are forever!
	In tonight's HealthSmart, new water concerns.
	Researchers say nearly half the tap water in the United States contains forever chemicals, known as PFAs.
	They're a group of synthetic chemicals found in many cleaning products that linger in the environment and the human body.
	A new U.S.
	Geological Survey study discovered 45% of U.S.
	tap water contains forever chemicals with the highest amounts in Central and Southern California.
	Exposure to PFAs is linked to problems like cancer, obesity, thyroid disease, high cholesterol, decreased fertility, liver damage, and hormone suppression.
	Now when I heard that list, first thing I thought was, man, they're doing anything to cover for the ozempic side effects.
	But!
	I think there's something else going on here.
	They finally figured out they want to get to our water.
	And I said when I heard this CBS report with the solution because you know we have the problem of course that's the forever chemicals we've been it's been it's been building for weeks we've kept hearing these reports forever chemicals okay everyone's hearing about forever chemicals.
	There hasn't really been a huge reaction outrage, but okay, here's the solution.
	There's a disturbing new study out today about the nation's drinking water.
	Researchers found that nearly half of the tap water in this country contains potentially harmful compounds known as forever chemicals.
	They're linked to a wide range of health problems, including cancer, high blood pressure and fertility issues.
	CBS's Mark Strassman takes an in-depth look at a new technology that could make so-called forever chemicals disappear.
	Technology. - It is.
	Nasty cargo.
	10,000 gallons of landfill water laced with PFAS.
	A known carcinogen that nothing could get rid of until now.
	We are concentrating the nasty stuff to allow the annihilator system to treat it.
	Not just treat PFAS, blast them out of existence.
	These so-called forever chemicals are man-made.
	Used in Teflon, firefighting foam, even facial makeup.
	And previously, indestructible.
	This is where the PFAS go away.
	Destroyed.
	That's correct.
	Last year we showed you Battelle, a non-profit research institute, doing a small-scale field test, distilling water into PFAS concentrate, the really nasty stuff, for destruction.
	It worked!
	A technological first, leaving behind water and salts harmless to the environment.
	You've got to have enough force and energy to break those bonds.
	Now another first, scaling that technology, like this forklift carrying the concentrate for treatment.
	The PFAS Annihilator lives inside this converted cargo container.
	With heat and pressure, it blasts the PFAS concentrate.
	These forever chemicals gone without a trace, within seconds.
	Here in Grand Rapids, this retooled water treatment plant is North America's first permitted PFAS remediation facility.
	Were you convinced it would work?
	We had a lot of hope that it would.
	So, how scalable is it?
	It could be much more scalable, much larger than this.
	This plant's treating a half million gallons a week.
	The market seems virtually limitless.
	This is only the tip of the iceberg of us being able to get this scalable technology to market and to customers.
	For the first time, nothing about PFAS is forever.
	Again!
	Like, what is this now all of a sudden?
	So they've got some way to... It's a native ad.
	Yes, but for some company that's trying to get investment, I think.
	I'm not sure.
	Kind of like those... So Jesse, JC's wife, and JC to a lesser extent, they're really good at searching out the best of the best of various kinds of things, and so she's a freak about the water.
	So as you know, Brita is no good.
	And they were using the zero water system for a while.
	They don't have a Berkey?
	They don't have a Berkey?
	I'm just putting this out there for people who want to try these things.
	Okay.
	And the one that they finally, no, the one that they finally concluded was the best because it takes out fluoride.
	Supposedly.
	Antibiotics and all this crap in the water.
	Wow.
	And I've been using it.
	It makes a delicious glass of water, I'll say.
	I'll say that.
	It's called Clearly Filtered.
	Clearly Filtered.
	Now clearly filtered, the water's tasty, but the device that they have, the water container, it's a piece of shit.
	The lid doesn't want to stay on, so you have to hold it down when you pour.
	But except for that flaw, it's dynamite.
	And I think it may be the best of the bunch of these things.
	There's a whole bunch of these companies that make these filters.
	Interesting.
	So it's just a recommendation from me to the audience.
	A couple other things.
	There's some loose ends I want to tie up.
	So this story is all over the news, but I just picked a random clip.
	This is from WION.
	But there's a question that no one is asking or that is just not being discussed.
	Days after violence erupted in France, the French Senate has now passed a controversial law granting sweeping powers to police authority.
	This after the country was engulfed in riots after the police fatally shot a teenager in a Paris suburb city.
	According to reports, French police can now spy on suspects by remotely activating cameras, microphones and the GPS location system of a phone.
	So, this is everywhere, this story.
	The French have passed a law that they are now allowed to activate microphones, cameras, and GPS systems, and they can keep the data up to six months.
	The question I'm asking is, how are they doing this?
	No one is discussing this.
	Is Apple just saying, okay Frenchie, that's all good, no problem, we'll just turn it on for you.
	Is that how it's happening?
	No one's asking the question.
	These are journalists.
	You expect them to actually... You're crunching in and out for some reason.
	Oh, okay.
	Hold on a second.
	Yeah, right down the time.
	Well, here's what I surmised, because I think I have the answer.
	What clearly must be happening is the very same social networks, you know, I don't see Apple going, yeah, sure, French, no problem.
	Yeah.
	Hey Frenchie.
	Yeah.
	We'll just flip it on for you, man.
	You go, there you go.
	Do whatever you want.
	No, I don't think they'll do that.
	I don't think even Google probably wouldn't do that.
	But I do have a feeling That's Snapchat, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram.
	They'll gladly give them access to flip stuff on.
	The apps can control it.
	You give your app permission to access your camera, access your microphone, access your GPS location.
	So I think it's these apps.
	I think the apps are the bad actors in this.
	What about the telecom companies?
	They seem like bad actors.
	Yeah, but they don't have access to the camera, like the apps do.
	The apps, I mean, people literally give them permission.
	Can we access your camera?
	Yeah, go for it.
	Yeah, stupid.
	So stupid.
	And your contact list, don't forget that.
	Oh yeah.
	Now here's another thing that is rather irksome.
	By the way, it's probably a profit center for the apps.
	Selling the information to the government.
	Yes!
	I would, I hate to say it, but I'd probably be on board with that.
	If I was the company.
	I'm not sure why this clip is only six seconds long.
	In fact, the two hottest days in world history.
	The history of the planet!
	Why is this so short?
	That's weird.
	Because you misclicked.
	I must have misclicked it.
	The point is, we all heard about it.
	The hottest, hottest... Yeah, you talked about this on the last show.
	I know.
	Just to remind you.
	I know.
	I just have to point out that this comes from the University of Maine's Climate Re-Analyzer.
	They're the ones who determined this.
	This is where all this news reporting comes from.
	As Tuesday, an unofficial, unofficial record for the hottest day on earth was set.
	And here's how they do it, from their own website.
	The globe's average temperature reached 62.9 degrees Fahrenheit, 17.7 degrees Celsius on Tuesday, according to the University of Maine's Climate Re-Analyzer, a tool based on satellite data, observations, computer simulations, used by climate scientists for a glimpse of the world condition.
	This is a bogus story!
	She gets a lot of legs.
	Oh boy, did it ever.
	Because they can add a map and stuff.
	And you might have seen this story.
	Climate change is making turbulence worse.
	Have you seen this?
	No.
	No, that one's new.
	Oh, just plug it into your Google thing there.
	Turbulence, climate change.
	I mean, I can read you some of the headlines.
	It was my daughter, even, because she's not a very confident flyer.
	CNBC.
	Bad news for nervous flyers.
	Turbulence is getting worse as the planet warms.
	New Scientist.
	Turbulence on flights is getting worse because of climate change.
	NPR.
	Climate change may be making turbulence a lot worse.
	Green Matters.
	Why is turbulence getting worse?
	The plane experience is getting bumpy!
	USA Today.
	What causes turbulence?
	Here's what makes it worse!
	Euronews.
	Fasten your seatbelts.
	Turbulence during flights is getting more severe due to climate change.
	NBC News.
	The seatbelt sign is on.
	Viral videos and climate change boost concerns about turbulence.
	Insider.
	How climate change is making plane turbulence worse.
	The Verge.
	It's not just you.
	Flights are getting more turbulent.
	BBC News.
	Flight turbulence increases as planet heats up.
	Study.
	Washington Post.
	How global warming is creating more turbulence on flights.
	Yahoo News.
	Severe air turbulence has increased by more than 50% in the past 40 years because of climate change.
	I can go on and on and on.
	Allow me to explain what's going on.
	I wonder if it's got anything to do with bed bugs.
	Now, what the air traffic control is doing in conjunction with airlines is what's causing this so-called increased turbulence.
	In order to save the planet and save the Earth, they are now trying to position, you know, the way you approach your destination airfield is you're at 30,000 feet and then at a certain point air traffic control says, okay, says, okay, Okay, Dvorak Airlines, go down to 25,000 feet.
	And you'll go down to 25,000 feet, you'll be there for a little bit.
	And then, you know, after, you know, you get a little closer and say, Dvorak Airlines, please descend to 12,000 feet.
	And you start descending to 12,000, you fly around there for a little bit.
	So they can sequence people, you know, you kind of go in a step-down manner.
	This is the way it's been done forever.
	But oh no, now they're trying to change it and they're using AI.
	Of course.
	So that, and this is crazy, so that you can basically glide all the way down in one fell swoop without using your engines.
	So you just put the engines to idle, you start gliding down, and there's no stops at any particular altitude level, all the way down pretty much until you're ready to sequence in to land at the airport.
	And of course, what happens is, you don't get to pause just before a level that may have a little bit of chop, as we call it in the business.
	You're just riding it all the way down, and it's scary, and it gets bumpy, and it's not a pleasant experience.
	The reason why pilots and airlines don't do this is to keep the passenger comfortable.
	And this is now being sold as, oh, climate change is making turbulence worse.
	Well, that's a great presentation on your part.
	Thank you.
	With sound effects, too.
	Thank you.
	I didn't hear the sound effects.
	You heard the sound effects.
	Oh, that.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, that's always a winner.
	And then I got a note from one of our producers about climate change.
	You know, because, of course, they're also looking at the hottest day on record by going back to since 1940.
	Because 1941 was the coldest year on earth since the 1600s, when the sea belt, when the Belt Sea froze over each year.
	In fact, in the 1600s, Swedish armies could walk to Denmark.
	And apparently, according to one of our producers, Denmark still has a law on the books that says, if a Swede walks over the ice to Denmark, it is legal to beat him to a pulp.
	This is a great law!
	So, it's all such bunk.
	It's such bunk.
	It's just unbelievable.
	What's this?
	We're talking about bunk?
	Bunk.
	We might as well do the hit job that On The Media did to poor Bobby the K. Okay, let's do the Bobby the K hit job, alrighty.
	Now everything about this is slanted and it's assumed, and I have to assume that they're sincere, they think Bobby the K, Robert Kennedy Jr., is nuts.
	He's a conspiracy theorist, he uses techniques to fool you, he's a liar.
	So let's go.
	And even his family hates him.
	Oh yeah, and we can't forget that his family hates him because he's so off the rails.
	And by the way, the conclusion is, I'll get, might as well summarize that, it's only for his legacy he's doing this so people will remember he existed.
	That's such a loser.
	It's like a Trump thing.
	He's doing that just for his own ego?
	Is that what they're saying?
	Yeah.
	Kennedy's probably not going to win in November 2024.
	Most likely, he won't win the Democratic primary either.
	Even if he gets nowhere, just sticks it out through part of this election cycle, he'll garner plenty of media coverage and his dangerous ideas will reach more people.
	My article was published on NBCNews.com a few weeks after our encounter, after I'd had plenty of time to fact check and contextualize his response.
	But not everyone's going to have that luxury.
	For help and advice on covering conspiracy peddling candidates on the trail, we called up Anna Merlin.
	She's the author of Republic of Lies, American Conspiracy Theorists and Their Surprising Rise to Power.
	In a recent article, Merlin described Kennedy's supporters as a, quote, coalition of anti-vax activists, crypto enthusiasts, Silicon Valley moguls, and supporters from across the horseshoe of extremism.
	The horseshoe of extremism!
	This is a good one!
	So, on the left, Mr. Kennedy is obviously talking a lot about his bona fides as an environmental lawyer, which is the job he sort of did prior to becoming an anti-vaccine activist, and he is weighing heavily on the family name.
	On the right, and the far right, he is promoting frankly Trumpian talking points, for instance, talking about sealing the border permanently, blaming mass shootings on pharmaceutical drugs like Prozac.
	Anecdotally, it appears And almost every one of these shooters were on SRIs or some other psychiatric drug.
	Promoting a view that the war in Ukraine is fundamentally a proxy war.
	President Biden has said that we're there to de-platform, to depose Vladimir Putin.
	And if that's why we're there, we're killing a lot of Ukrainians as pawns.
	He has said that he opposes trans women competing in women's sports.
	This guy is crazy!
	You can't have all this!
	And I like the last bit on her laundry list.
	He opposes, of all things, he opposes trans women competing in female sports.
	Oh my God, what a lousy guy.
	This is just an a-hole, I tell you.
	So that was the laundry list of Democrat talking points, basically.
	We need a new list.
	We need a list for Bobby the K of all the things he is.
	I mean he uses the horseshoe of extremism.
	He also has an incredibly combative and often litigious relationship with both mainstream media and sort of mainstream systems of government.
	He wants to persuade people who think they're Democrats that they're not Democrats and people who think they're Republicans that they're not Republicans is how he put it to Dr. Drew.
	So he's presenting Yeah.
	himself as kind of a nonpartisan everyman who is equally dissatisfied with both sides.
	So let's talk about how journalists and media outlets are handling this candidacy.
	You wrote that ABC and CNN demonstrated how not to cover RFK Jr.
	Yeah.
	What did they do wrong?
	So this was a very kind of early.
	Oh, oh, well, let me just say.
	Oh, I know this side.
	Oh, oh.
	Oh, my God.
	We should just rename him Bobby the Q. I don't know why we even talk about this man.
	Adrenochrome.
	FK Jr.
	Yeah.
	What did they do wrong?
	So this was a very kind of early example of media platforms just not really being ready to cover Kennedy's candidacy.
	So what ABC did was they sat down for a fairly conventional Kennedy interview with Kennedy.
	During it, he did what he does, which is he started spouting COVID and vaccine misinformation.
	And so ABC made the decision to just cut that portion from the interview and then tell their audience that that's what they were doing.
	It was just like vomit just spouting from his mouth, from his orifice about vaccine disinformation.
	We should note that during our conversation, Kennedy made false claims about the COVID-19 vaccines.
	Data shows that the COVID-19 vaccines prevented millions of hospitalizations and deaths from the disease.
	He also made misleading claims about the relationship between vaccination and autism.
	I think that it was a well-intentioned decision, but what it did was it gave Kennedy an incredibly powerful talking point to say, you see, my views on COVID and vaccines are so powerful and so threatening to the establishment.
	That they cannot see the light of day.
	This is what happens when you censor somebody for 18 years.
	They shouldn't have shut me up that long.
	Because now I'm going to really let loose on them for the next 18 months.
	They're going to hear a lot from me.
	Oh, let me guess.
	Next question.
	So, Becky.
	Becky, so what do we do with a candidate like Bobby the Q?
	What do we do, Becky?
	Actually, she's got the second example first and then it falls apart.
	You're right.
	That is kind of coming up.
	CNN was a little bit more unusual.
	Essentially what happened is that a CNN political journalist named Michael Smirkonish had Kennedy on and managed to use the word vaccines exactly once in his introduction and then proceeded to have a very friendly jocular interview with Mr. Kennedy about his campaign that managed to not Ask about his anti-vaccine activism at all.
	And they spent more time talking about Mr. Smukonish's fandom of Sheryl Hines, Mr. Kennedy's wife.
	If I had not convinced her that I can win this race, I would not be in it because she's the ultimate boss.
	Okay, listen, I do love your wife.
	I'm Team Sheryl.
	Having said that... So it was really, really striking.
	So, okay, that's what journalists do wrong.
	How can we do things right?
	What's this with the wrong?
	What's that with the G, guttural G, wrong?
	I heard it before.
	This is new.
	Oh, I didn't notice this.
	What?
	That's what journalists do wrong, wrong, wrong.
	It was really, really striking.
	So, okay, that's what journalists do wrong.
	Wrong.
	Yeah.
	Wrong.
	Wrong.
	I heard it in the first place.
	It's okay.
	Yes.
	It's wrong.
	Wrong.
	What are you doing?
	I'm doing it wrong.
	You said that.
	Wrong.
	So it was really, really striking.
	So, okay, that's what journalists do wrong.
	How can we do things right?
	Right.
	I mean... Oh, man!
	This is NPR!
	I mean, if this was a podcast, I'd throw it out of the index.
	That's so bad.
	So it was really, really striking.
	So, okay, that's what journalists do wrong.
	How can we do things right?
	Right.
	I mean, the first, of course, is we absolutely cannot go into arguably any interview unprepared, but especially with someone who has spent I'm just stopping this right now.
	I'm just stopping it right now.
	This is so dynamite.
	This is the truth.
	You got two clips of the day.
	Oh, I'm on a roll.
	I mean, the fact that this is being broadcast on something called... It's broadcast on NPR and they're proud of it.
	National Public Radio.
	You know what this is?
	This is ronk.
	Arguably any interview unprepared, but especially with someone who has spent the better portion of the later part of their adult life promoting and advancing false claims about one thing specifically, and is very, very, very trained in how to do that.
	The second is to be prepared to push back in real time.
	And the third, I think, is sort of a broader existential question, which is ask yourself what the purpose of interviewing him is, like at its Whoa!
	face what you are hoping to convey to readers and listeners, the sort of unanswered questions that an interview might go towards answering.
	Well, let's talk about that.
	Fact-checking in real time.
	It's very hard.
	Yes, it is.
	Mr. Kennedy does something that is a kind of known rhetorical style that other folks do too, which is called this sort of gish gallop is the term for it.
	Named after...
	Whoa!
	Gish gallop?
	Yeah, Gish Gallup.
	It's actually in Wikipedia.
	What is it?
	What is a Gish Gallop?
	A Gish Gallop is what I would say, if anybody actually does it, I don't think Kennedy does, but it's, Ben Shapiro would do it, where you just throw so much stuff at somebody, they can't take it, they're ducking you left and right, and they can't respond in time, and by the time they want to respond to something, you say something else.
	Oh, you mean like with facts?
	Yeah.
	Kennedy has a lot of facts, but they just assume everything he says is disinformation or there's better facts.
	Let me read the exact definition.
	The gish gallop, which I like better, is a rhetorical technique in which a person in a debate attempts to overwhelm their opponent by providing an excessive number of arguments, also known as facts, with no regard for the accuracy or strength of those arguments.
	Gish galloping prioritizes the quantity of the galloper's arguments at the expense of their quality.
	The term was coined in 1994 by anthropologist Eugene Scott, who named it after American creationist Duane Gish, and argued that Gish used the technique frequently when challenging scientific fact of evolution.
	So, don't throw too many facts at me, because then you're gishgalloping.
	A kind of known rhetorical style that other folks do too, which is called this sort of gishgallop, is the term for it.
	Named after Dwayne Gish, a creationist.
	Right, so the idea that- A creationist!
	Gishgallop is that you are making claim upon claim- Oh, a heathen!
	I'm sorry, a heathen who believes in God, oh no!
	Gishgallop is the term for it.
	Named after Dwayne Gish, a creationist.
	Right, so the idea that Gish Gallop is that you are making claim upon claim upon claim, sort of bad argument after bad argument, very, very, very quickly.
	So quickly that it is hard for the person that you are speaking to to sort of respond to all of those claims effectively and in real time.
	Oh, what a horrible, what a horrible trick.
	I can't believe Bobby the Q is using the Gish Gallop trick.
	That's, I mean, that's just, I mean, even Trump can't do that.
	No, Trump can't.
	Wow.
	This is, oh man.
	So this is to demean him further.
	And by the way, it's always associative.
	You want to associate people with creationists.
	Because that makes you nuts.
	By the way, this whole sequence of clips, this is like I had a T-bone steak, a tomahawk steak, and then afterwards you came out and said, would you like some tiramisu with that?
	I mean, this is so good.
	I'm just, I love this.
	This is the best ever.
	Ever.
	One thing that is sort of recommended for responding specifically to Gish Gallops is picking out one claim and focusing in on it.
	Whether it's the most ridiculous, the most dangerous, the one that has been debunked the longest, you can pick a single claim and go from there.
	Debunking a single claim goes a long way to sort of illuminating the larger false premises on which some of these claims lie.
	A lot of these pointers deal with TV interviews.
	I work for a television company, but I prefer print because then you do have more control over the outcome.
	I'm actually reminded of the Brandolini's Law, which is this internet adage that says the amount of energy needed to refute bulls**t.
	Is an order of magnitude bigger than is needed to produce it.
	And in print, I can contextualize quotes more easily.
	I can take the time to consult experts and fact check.
	Do you think print journalists have it a little easier here?
	And have they been doing a better job with him?
	And I'm also thinking that with presidential candidates, TV coverage is such a big part of it.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Does she mean, uh, like, uh, something the Rolling Stone would write when they say the QAnon tinge thriller about child trafficking is designed to appeal to the conscience of a conspiracy adult boomer?
	Is that contextualizing that you're looking for, Becky?
	I really believe that this is the appropriate mechanism for covering claims like this that often require not just a lot of explanation, but a lot of links to other sources.
	I really believe in providing links to scientific studies, position papers, good, strong contexts that can lead people to understand better the claims that he's making.
	It is so hard to do that in a two-minute TV hit.
	Even in a longer sit-down interview, it can be just incredibly, incredibly difficult.
	What have you learned from your experience reporting on conspiracy theorists?
	Is there anything that you've done that you wouldn't repeat?
	In terms of things that I have done that I would no longer do, I would be less flippant about their ability to affect politics.
	I went on this cruise for conspiracy theorists in 2016, and I went into it with a sort of light-hearted attitude, thinking that this was going to be a fun, kooky story, and almost immediately was really checked, really sobered by what I saw and what was going on.
	Andrew Wakefield, who is kind of the father of the modern anti-vaccine movement, was on that boat, people promoting conspiracy theories about the financial system that put themselves and others, quite literally, in prison.
	I think the one thing I would never do is discount the Ways that conspiracy theories can shape our politics, shape our national conversation, and decimate people's lives.
	There's no conspiracy.
	That's why they ended up in prison.
	First of all, why did I not get invited on this cruise?
	Yeah.
	This is upsetting.
	What cruise was this?
	I don't know.
	I'll ask McGuinn.
	He would know.
	This is... This is... This is wrong.
	Was that the last of that?
	I think that was the last.
	Unfortunately!
	But I do have a sub clip, a little minor little clip.
	Oh, thank goodness.
	I need more.
	I need more.
	Just a three second wrap up of the whole thing.
	This is like, they kept talking about that.
	Maybe a different person.
	This is the RFK accusation clip.
	And this is what summarizes it for me.
	Beliefs are extreme or his beliefs are often false and misleading.
	His beliefs are extreme, or false, or misleading.
	His beliefs are extreme, or his beliefs are often false and misleading.
	Misleading beliefs.
	You're misleading me with your crazy beliefs, man!
	His beliefs are misleading.
	Wow.
	Think about that sentence.
	Yeah.
	You have beliefs.
	Yes, I do.
	Who are you misleading with your beliefs?
	Dumb dipshits like this.
	You could only be misleading yourself.
	It's your belief.
	It's not your comments or it's not what you say.
	I don't know.
	I mean this was a hit piece from the get-go.
	They made him, I mean they're trying to make, it's worse than they ever did with Trump.
	Yeah.
	I think.
	And I think they're going to continue this attack.
	And the problem is, throughout the piece, there's more to it, throughout the entire thing, they did not refute one single thing.
	No, because they were being gish gashed, gish galloped.
	There's no refutation of anything he said.
	No, well of course not.
	It's like the Ivermectin stuff.
	There's so much documentation for Ivermectin.
	Horse paste!
	It's horse paste!
	Gish gash.
	Exactly.
	Gish gashers.
	That's what I'm calling these women.
	That's probably not very nice, but there you go.
	Um, holy crap.
	I don't think I can come back from that.
	I can't top it.
	I could just give you some piece of information that I'm sure is misinformation, disinformation.
	It can't be true, but... No, no, I can't.
	I can't.
	I can't.
	Nothing.
	I got nothing.
	I'm gonna end the show.
	I think it's good.
	This is it.
	We're good to go.
	That was unbelievable.
	Good job.
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	And to add to that, it's all in the Durham Report.
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	And from Northern Silicon Valley, where I remain, I'm John C. Dvorak.
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	Let's start with just how concerned parents should be about these viruses.
	I mean, the big question a lot of parents are asking, how concerned should they be about this right now?
	Health officials are warning this morning about a growing threat of a so-called tripledemic.
	That is people getting sick from the flu, COVID, and a seasonal virus that mostly affects kids.
	It's called RSV.
	How do you tell the difference if you are a parent between the flu and COVID and RSV?
	Well, that's the thing, Kristen, that's so, you know, challenging, is that the symptoms are pretty much indistinguishable.
	Triple Deming.
	Triple Deming.
	It's a phrase that we're hearing.
	Can you explain that?
	What that means?
	So that means that we have to keep our eyes on multiple pathogens, multiple respiratory viruses at the same time.
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	Way up in the air?
	Well, it has the reservoir way up in the air, so it uses real gravity, big-ass gravity.
	But it needs that because it's one of those typical old Dutch toilets that has the shelf.
	And for people who don't know, the main Dutch toilet maker, back in the days, started making them mainly for hospitals.
	And there's a shelf so when you poop, then your poop stays on the shelf so it can be examined.
	And no one ever thought, that's kind of disgusting for the home.
	And they just, eh, we'll just use the hospital toilets.
	And so, you know, it's kind of weird when you sit there going, oh, shit, man, my poop is on the shelf.
	And that's why you need the extra gravity.
	Poop is on the shelf.
	In some places it hits the fan, in the Netherlands it's on the shelf.
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	There's a poop upon the shelf.
	We keep it for your health.
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	The dutch are in a rush to see that poopy flush.
	Poop is on the shelf.
	Yeah.
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	Hey.
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	Now that I'm addicted to Instagram.
	Big real, so predictive.
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	Scrolling, scrolling, scrolling on the Insta.
	Tried a few apps like TikTok.
	Even had a look at YouTube Shorts.
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	Big Reels gets our feeling.
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