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	Keep the guy on the line.
	We're putting a trace on the call.
	Adam Curry.
	John C. Dvorak.
	It's Sunday, April 16, 2023.
	This is your award-winning Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 1547.
	This is no agenda.
	I'm glad you brought that up!
	and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA Region number 6.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where somebody's celebrating the fact that today's the day the Germans shut down their last two nukes.
	I'm John C. Daborak.
	It's Craig Vaughn and Buzzkill in the morning.
	Well, I'm glad you brought that up.
	I happen to have a clip of this insanity.
	Unbelievable.
	What is wrong with the Germans here?
	I'm of the opinion that this is being done on purpose to try to jack the Germans up.
	Well they're gonna get jacked up.
	Did you know that this is also the same week that Finland finally opened up their 1.6 gigawatt nuclear reactor after 16 years?
	No, I did not know.
	That part I did not know.
	Yeah, I don't have a clip of that, of course, because why would you tell anybody about that?
	No, I think it's like 30% of their energy is going to be covered by nuclear.
	But here's France 24.
	Nick, talk to us a little bit about the history.
	I left this in.
	You can hear how phony baloney these reports are.
	So there's a guy standing.
	I don't know if he's actually standing in front of the nuclear reactor being shut down.
	He could have just pulled over by the side of the road.
	And of course, he knows exactly what question he's going to get from HQ, and then this hilarity happens.
	Nick, talk to us a little bit about the history of nuclear energy in Germany.
	Monty, I lost the phone connection here, so I couldn't hear that question, but I know we were going to talk about the history here of nuclear in Germany, and it started really in 19...
	What the fuck?
	Ha ha ha!
	It's so phony, isn't it?
	Like, they all know what the script is.
	Like, Monty, tell me about the history.
	I knew we were going to talk about the history.
	1961 with the opening of the first reactor, and to the skepticism of energy supply.
	1960, by the way, there's some weird noise in this thing.
	That'll go away.
	That was in their connection.
	Sounds like the traffic noise.
	No, it's someone's phone, I think, their connection.
	But did their first reactor open in 1961?
	Is that possible?
	Yeah, oh yeah.
	Sounds early.
	We're talking big game about all this stuff in the mid 50s.
	Right.
	really in 1961 with the opening of the first reactor and to the skepticism of energy supply companies.
	And then it grew until in the 1990s.
	There were some 17 nuclear reactors.
	But this whole journey came through a lot of controversy.
	There was opposition, particularly after the Three Mile Island incident in 1976 in Chernobyl.
	You can imagine how that focused attention here in Germany.
	And the whole process of contesting nuclear power gave birth to Europe's biggest Green Party and Green Party movement, the people who are in government now.
	And then what really, really tipped the hand of government here was the Fukushima nuclear disaster in Germany.
	Under Angela Merkel's reign, she decided in 2011... Which, by the way, we should just pause for a moment.
	Makes it sound like she did it!
	Not only that, but the Fukushima nuclear disaster was not a nuclear disaster.
	It was a tsunami that was the disaster.
	And yes, there was an issue with cooling down the rods, but no one fried.
	They've been back to Fukushima many times and, you know, there's lots of plant life and animals running around.
	Everybody's all happy and jacked up.
	No one's dying over there.
	But, you know, you forget that part.
	Oh, the Fukushima nuclear disaster!
	Under Angela Merkel's reign, she decided in 2011 that it was time to shut down all of Germany's nuclear plants by the 2030s.
	However, that whole schedule was advanced when this new coalition government came into power.
	Germany is now in the past year only generating about 6% of its electricity from nuclear power.
	In the past three months it's been around 3%.
	Even if these nuclear plants are being shut down the controversy will continue because you have to decommission these plants.
	That takes 15 years and store tens of thousands of tons of nuclear waste somewhere.
	So there'll be a lot more discussion even though the era of nuclear energy in Germany is over.
	Unbelievable.
	So from the sounds of it, at least those old, these are the old plants, new plants of course are different technologies and much more efficient.
	No waste, they eat their own waste.
	Let's just look at this from the perspective of old plants.
	So from their calculation, it would take 25 old plants to power the whole country perfectly.
	Yeah.
	Because it's 2% per plant.
	Yeah.
	Seems reasonable.
	Put 25 plants up here and there.
	It's a big country.
	Put them all in East Germany.
	Meanwhile, they're shutting down industry because they can't afford it.
	It's so odd.
	The Germans have been under some kind of mind control.
	I'm not sure how that works.
	I mean, I am, obviously, because the mind control is so strong.
	Tell me what's wrong, logically, with this very short little report here from ABC.
	Last summer alone, the U.S.
	saw five flood events described as thousand-year floods from the Midwest to Texas and California.
	A recent study warned floods are becoming more frequent and less seasonal due to climate change, and our infrastructure is not keeping up.
	I mean, if it's a thousand year flood, then wouldn't you have one in a thousand years?
	Not five.
	Is this weird logic on my part?
	No, they're just throwing these terms out there because it sounds bad.
	But what is this about the infrastructure?
	We need to build more aqueducts or bigger reservoirs or what's the deal?
	Who are they referring to?
	Let me hear it again.
	I don't know.
	Last summer... Yeah, it is.
	The infrastructure is not keeping up with climate change.
	Let's listen again.
	We saw five flood events described as thousand-year floods from the Midwest to Texas and California.
	A recent study warned floods are becoming more frequent and less seasonal due to climate change and our infrastructure is not keeping up.
	I think that means solar.
	Windmills, I guess.
	No, it can't mean solar.
	It has to mean reservoirs and aqueducts.
	He's talking about floods.
	I don't think that's what he's really thinking about.
	I'm just saying.
	I'm just saying.
	It doesn't sound right.
	But, you know, they're not using much of the, well, I guess that's the Florida flood, right?
	No, yeah, I talked to Horowitz yesterday.
	Is he all in on climate change now?
	Now that he almost died?
	No, he's all in on cooking shrimp.
	It was a close call, though, for him, I think.
	Yeah, he says it got within, like, a foot of his, you know, flooding the house, but the house never got flooded, but the backyard was kind of ruined, and the boat was lifted out of the, out of his container there and dropped in the, like, almost dropped in the backyard there.
	And he's had friends who have boats on top of their houses, you know, kind of thing.
	No, I weep for their $100,000 boats.
	I don't, I'm... Y'all, those poor bastards in Florida, their damn boats.
	I feel so bad for them.
	But it's Tiki Hut, so did the Tiki Hut get washed away?
	I didn't specifically ask, but it sounded like it got wrecked.
	No, because a tiki hut is pretty cool that he has there.
	I always liked that.
	You know, it's a tiki hut.
	How hard can it be to rebuild it?
	Well, he had some Hawaiian guys or some Maori's come and build it.
	Well, they're probably still floating around building tiki huts.
	Florida's needing more tiki huts.
	Literally, they're floating around.
	And thank you all for sending us your videos of fish swimming on the street.
	It's not quite flopping.
	Like, oh, here's a catfish swimming around my hangar.
	Yeah, but the fish has to be flopping for it to be Al Gore's prediction.
	They have to be flopping.
	And it should be Miami.
	It was a little missed to say Fort Lauderdale.
	Yeah, any place else is not good.
	Well, I think we need to get into the incredible news of the week, which I can summarize in a 25 second clip, at least how the U.S.
	news, I say news with big air quotes, news media is handling this.
	By listening to this clip from The Five on Fox News.
	No, I don't even know if these leaks are real.
	I don't know if they're half real, half true.
	That's true.
	Disinformation, if it's all good.
	I don't even know.
	I don't even know if I'm allowed to read.
	The leaks!
	Does Fox News have a policy that we, are we sharing?
	I think you can read them, but if you actually, if you, this is kind of weird, if you have a classified security clearance, you are not allowed to read them.
	Okay.
	Even though they're on the front page of the New York Times.
	Okay.
	So this clip kind of sums it all up.
	What we're not talking about is the incredible news that was in the leaks.
	And one of those people on the five clearly has clearance, and I think Dana Perino probably, You can't read it if you have clearance.
	By the way, we've talked about this before in the show, that is plain idiotic.
	If you have clearance, and they should address this and stop it, because for one thing, it's giving away, this is like spycraft, it's giving away who the spies are.
	I can't read it, but you can.
	Okay, well then that means you're a spook and the other guy's not.
	If it's been published in the New York Times on the front page, by rule, it should be released to the people who have clearance.
	They should be able to now go see it.
	Same with WikiLeaks.
	If I can read it, and you can read it, and we're not spooks, a spook should be able to read it to try to keep up with us.
	Where's the logic here?
	I'm not getting it.
	Okay.
	I do have a copy of the memorandum for senior Pentagon leadership, commanders of the combatant commands, defense agency and DOD field activity directors, which very clearly states do not access documents with classified markings from unclassified websites as data which very clearly states do not access documents with classified markings from unclassified It's so good. um
	Now my sources tell me that the way this went down is actually plausible, which I find fantastic, but the fact that Bellingcat is involved in this, just screams bullcrap, not necessarily the information is bullcrap, but this was meant to be released for a number of reasons.
	I'd have to agree.
	So before we get into it, should I just tell you some of the things that are actually in the information?
	Let's do the clips first because I think a lot of that will be in the clips.
	At least the clips I have from Amy Goodman.
	I only have the bullcrap M5M stuff.
	I don't have anything of any value.
	Hold on a second.
	Can you repeat that again?
	I don't have anything of any value.
	There's no value because you only have M5M clips.
	Of course, but that's what we do, but there's value in deconstructing what they're saying.
	And there's value in what they're doing with this, but not in the actual, what's in the actual documents.
	That's what's so crazy.
	Well, luckily, uh, Amy, maybe we should go to her.
	Hold on, here we go!
	Warning, Amy Goodman clip inbound.
	Alright, alright.
	False alarm.
	So let's start with Leaker from NPR.
	Leaker 1.
	President Biden says he's directed the military and intelligence communities to take steps to further secure sensitive information.
	That's after a massive leak of sensitive documents came to light.
	On Friday, a 21-year-old member of the Air National Guard named Jack Teixeira appeared before a federal judge in Boston.
	He's facing charges that he leaked highly classified information that include details about Russian moves in Ukraine and the strength of the Ukrainian army.
	Joining us now to talk about all of this is NPR's Pentagon correspondent, Tom Bowman.
	Good morning, Tom.
	Hey, Miles.
	So, what steps can the intelligence community even take after a breach like this?
	Well, the first thing, obviously, is to restrict access to who sees this kind of information.
	Now, there are at least several thousand people who have access to this classified information, which came out of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon.
	Wait a minute, did he just say the first thing we need to do is restrict people who have access from reading it?
	Is that what I heard him say?
	I thought, I didn't think it was stopping them from reading it, it was stopping them from accessing it.
	Okay, all right.
	Which is kind of the same, but I don't think that's what he said.
	Okay, all right.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Let's go with number two.
	Okay, numero, oops, what happened here?
	Yes, numero two.
	Tell me a little bit more, Tom, about why this leak matters more broadly.
	Well, I'm told the big problem is with release of these kinds of documents, these sensitive documents, is it alerts your adversaries.
	So the U.S.
	is picking up electronic communications like phone calls or other information from the Russians.
	That will all quickly dry up because they can change phone numbers, radio frequencies, do forensics on which information came from which command and which location.
	It makes it much harder to glean information from the Russians.
	Huge problem.
	NPR's Tom Bowman.
	Thank you so much, Tom.
	You're welcome.
	What was that report?
	Was that number two that you said?
	That should have been number three.
	You know what?
	They're out of order because you have this weird exclamation mark.
	I'm sorry.
	That was number three.
	You titled them with exclamation marks and so it moved three above two.
	Sorry.
	Well, it still says three.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay, well that was the end of it.
	Just pretend you didn't hear that.
	Now that I think about it, it wasn't that interesting, number three.
	So let's go to number two, which I think is interesting.
	Already the Pentagon is removing people from this information.
	I was talking with some folks last night who lost that access, and they have high-level jobs, so that will continue.
	But as far as how many people they're restricting, we just don't know.
	And then there's this bigger question, right, of how did a 21-year-old IT specialist working at an airbase in Cape Cod even get access to this highly classified information?
	That's what the investigation will determine, and neither the Pentagon nor the Justice Department is really saying much at all right now.
	I spoke with a retired senior officer who did have access to this kind of intelligence.
	He speculates that Teixeira likely gained access to something called the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communication System or JWICS, Pentagon-like acronyms.
	That's a secure Internet system that would contain all kinds of top-secret information.
	Now, that's how Chelsea Manning, the former Army soldier and whistleblower, convicted back in 2013 – That's how she was able to grab thousands of documents and release them.
	Now, when that happened, the Pentagon and other agencies put a lot of controls over who had access, limiting them on a need-to-know basis.
	They created separate groups, also subgroups.
	So, let's say, Miles, you're an intelligence analyst or an officer working on Taiwan issues.
	After that, you would not be able to have access to anything related to Ukraine.
	Or let's say you work the Ukraine issue.
	Maybe you could see some intel on Ukraine, but not the more sensitive information such as, you know, what's being picked up on Russian communications.
	Wow, they didn't give us anything either, did they?
	No, they're not going to give it.
	We get a little bit from Amy, which is coming up.
	But let's go back over what they said, which is their concern is not... I mean, the Chelsea Banning thing happened.
	We know that.
	So they supposedly said, whoa, geez, this is no good.
	Let's fix things.
	So now it was fixed.
	And this guy, an airman, and by the way, people should, if you don't know this, an airman first class is the same as a private first class in the army.
	Very low level.
	It's like basically radar.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	From the mass show.
	Yeah.
	So you have this guy having access to all this stuff and it's so deep how much stuff he's got.
	We know from the past, and this goes back probably back to the Manning years, Um, that the, the systems within Defense Department and you know, there's, this is what they, I think we have a clip they call a journeyman for some reason, which is basically he's a contractor or he's contracted out to do different things.
	But when it comes to IT admin stuff, one of our producers literally was the sys admin for the drone systems.
	And when that person, she, but when that person left, um, She, you know, she was told just stick the admin password on a post-it note on the on the monitor.
	You remember that?
	I do.
	And, you know, things were unencrypted, especially the drone signals were unencrypted.
	That may have been fixed, but that's the... Or not.
	But, you know, you have these contracting entities that come in and so much changes and because, you know, this is billions, hundreds of billions of dollars.
	We see it every single day in the defense email, you know.
	400 million dollars, one bidder on the internet.
	I mean, this is a website.
	This is the level that this stuff goes.
	And they're careless.
	This contracting thing is completely out of control in the military, where they're contracting out food services.
	You remember when I was a kid, they always joke about, well, you get in the army, you do KP, you peel potatoes.
	Nobody peels potatoes.
	No, you get Burger King.
	Yeah, or whoever gets the contract.
	Let me just run down a few.
	The BBC, interestingly enough, actually gave eight key takeaways of what the leaked Pentagon documents reveal.
	I thought that was surprising.
	The BBC.
	I'll just give the headlines.
	UN boss too accommodating to Russia.
	Antonio Guterres, he was apparently too willing to accommodate Russian interests according to file.
	That's not good for the UN Secretary General.
	That's not a good look for him.
	Jordan feared Chinese retaliation over Huawei.
	Did you even hear about that being in these documents?
	Nope.
	These documents are deep.
	Yes!
	I'm sure this little list that you have here is something no one's heard about because no one's covering it, but that's the tip of the iceberg.
	Russian infighting over Ukraine dead, so we know that.
	What's the real number?
	Western special forces operating inside Ukraine, including the UK, Latvia, France, the US, and the Netherlands.
	Well, that's called boots on the ground.
	Yep.
	U.S.
	dims hopes for Ukraine offensive.
	Egypt secretly planned to supply rockets to Russia.
	Yeah.
	South Korea torn on delivering weapons to Ukraine.
	We kind of knew that.
	China conducted experimental weapons tests with a hypersonic glide vehicle.
	I mean, these are kind of interesting things.
	Well, that takes us to Amy.
	I'm not going to play the warning.
	No, you don't have to play.
	You already played it once.
	All right.
	So that's her report.
	And this was, I think, on Friday was a lot of a lot of little tidbits.
	And I'm going to play one of them because I think it's very interesting.
	And then I want to play an interview she did with this guy Bamford, who's a spy.
	He writes books about the spy agents.
	Who's Bamford?
	We know this guy Bamford, don't we?
	Yeah, I can't remember his first name.
	She introduces him.
	But let's play leaks, tidbits.
	I think this is interesting.
	The leak of the documents has also revealed how the United States spied on its own allies.
	One leaked Pentagon memo alleges that the Mossad, Israel's spy agency, had encouraged Israelis to take part in the massive protests against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's plan to gut the Israeli judiciary.
	What?
	So that was interesting, and by the way, I did a little research on this for a previous show.
	This gutting the judiciary and the fact that the Mossad is turned against Netanyahu and they're working against him, kind of like the way CIA did with Trump?
	Yep.
	Not kind of, exactly.
	If you look into this judiciary problem where, you know, 30% of the judiciary could determine anything they wanted in Israel, it's very much like the CIA against Trump.
	So what Netanyahu wants to do, he thinks it's a problem that the judiciary has so much power and they can pretty much just veto any law that the Knesset and he and everybody puts together, and he doesn't like that.
	And I don't know if he's going to ever get that fixed, but he's not trying to gut them.
	What it is, is the other thing, which is I think more important, Is that the way things are now, to get a new member into the judiciary, the old judiciary people... Yeah, they decide.
	They decide!
	They have to have, it's got to be one of their buddies!
	So it's like, it's as if the Supreme Court all of a sudden could say, oh you can't put him in with us, we need another conservative.
	How would you like that situation to be like that?
	That's no good.
	Yeah, in fact they say that democracy is over in Israel.
	I didn't play, I had a whole bunch of clips on this, and all this demonstration was basically like Black Lives Matter, you know.
	Outraged leftists who are just causing a ruckus, making it look like the whole country was against Netanyahu.
	Yeah.
	Which is far from the truth.
	This James Banford guy, do you trust him?
	I like what he's got to say in these... I don't distrust him.
	Because he's basically just a journalist and author.
	He has no... and he's a Berkeley alum.
	Yeah, well, that's not good.
	No, that's striking.
	Well, I am too.
	Well, hello.
	There you go.
	Now we know why he's your buddy.
	Okay, let's go.
	Okay, let's go with part one.
	And this is not the clip that you'll get a kick out of one of these clips.
	So this is part one.
	Many of the documents are based on information gathered by some of the most secret wings of the U.S.
	intelligence community, including National Reconnaissance Office, the NRO, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research, the Pentagon's DIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, and the National Security Agency, the NSA.
	We go now to Washington, D.C., where we're joined by James Bamford, longtime investigative journalist and author focused on the intelligence community.
	In 1982, he published The Puzzle Palace, the first book exposing the inner workings of the NSA, the National Security Agency.
	His latest book, just out, is called Spy Fail, Foreign Spies, Moles, Saboteurs, and the Collapse of America's Counterintelligence.
	Jim, welcome back to Democracy Now!
	It's great to have you with us again.
	Why don't you just start off by, as you evaluate what has been released, this intelligence—if it's real, and by all accounts it looks real—of the U.S.
	spying on adversaries and allies.
	Talk about what's most significant and where these documents are from.
	Well, in terms of significance, I think the most significant outcome of this is danger that we may lose actual human beings in Russia, because a lot of the documents indicate that we have collected information from the inner workings of the Russian government, the intelligence services and the The military.
	So there are people that may be giving us information, and now that these documents have come out, it gives the Russians an opportunity to do a mole hunt, to hunt for people who are giving that information away.
	As a matter of fact, officials told the New York Times and the Washington Post that the revelations might lead Russian mole hunters to the doorsteps of American spies in their ranks.
	Russian mole hunters.
	Hey, so that kind of explains the Wall Street Journal guy, maybe.
	Ivan Golunov?
	Yeah?
	Well, he's, you know, he's being detained in Russia as a spy.
	Oh, right, right, right, right, yeah.
	Mole hunt.
	Russian mole hunter.
	I like that.
	Yeah, hunting for moles.
	That sounds like a good reality show.
	Russian.
	That would be a great reality show.
	Yeah, we should talk to Burnett about it.
	Okay, on to, now clip two is more kind of a background or just a basic thing before we get to the good one.
	What they call sources and methods, both human and technical, that were released by the documents.
	Now, strangely, mostly documents that are leaked appear in major news organizations, New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, whatever.
	They never appear on gaming platforms, so this is a first for that.
	It's hard to say why any of this stuff is appearing, or why it's appearing on those platforms.
	Usually there's three reasons for spying.
	That was one of the reasons I wrote SpyField, because there are so many There's three main reasons.
	One is money, obviously.
	Most spies want to sell secrets for money.
	Another is ideological.
	They want to help a foreign government.
	They don't care much about money.
	And the third reason is basically the thrill, or else a Now, for some reason I get a high, like, Pecheneg vibe from this whole thing.
	documents were released the third reason anger somebody was angry and they decided that they're just gonna put these documents on whatever platform they happen to be using so it's very hard to hard to know the key point is that the government keeps losing documents now for some reason I get a high like pachenec vibe from this whole thing I'm not sure why maybe it's just because he's right book writes books and stuff I'm I don't know.
	Maybe.
	I mean, you should go with your gut.
	But I want you to listen to this last clip from this guy, which is the wow clip.
	I'd like you to tell me if you've heard of any of this, because you brought up something earlier with one of the clips that came out at the beginning that said, I never heard of that, never knew that.
	We're starting, you know, things are in this, things are revealing, but he just talks about stuff that he's been discovering over time, and I'd like to know why we don't know any of this.
	That the government keeps losing documents.
	A few years ago, just a few years ago, the NSA lost upwards of half a billion documents.
	Employees just walking out the door with these documents.
	They lost three quarters of cyber weapons, the United States' cyber weapons.
	The NSA lost three quarters of them.
	Somebody stole them and put them up on auction.
	The North Koreans ended up getting the cyber weapons, and so did the Russians, and they turned them on the United States.
	So, there is a complete lack of accountability when it comes to Classified information, top secret documents, and so forth.
	He just walks out the door and nobody ever gets fired.
	Now, is he confusing it with Vault 9, which was the CIA tools?
	I don't think so.
	He's talking about NSA tools.
	Wait, so they don't share their tools?
	Why would they?
	There's no tool sharing going on?
	What do you think?
	Probably not.
	Okay, so part of this... And those were just freely available.
	He's talking about stuff that was stolen and then auctioned to the North Koreans on the dark web.
	He should have said, and they paid for it in Bitcoin.
	That would have completed it.
	That would have been interesting.
	It probably did, actually.
	But the point is, is that I didn't know of this.
	No, this I had not heard either.
	But it sounds a bit like Vault 9.
	But Vault 9 wasn't auctioned.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	So, here's what I get a little bit from this.
	A bit of a, like, QAnon bait.
	Yeah?
	A lot of this may be true, most of it, all of it may be true, but it just seems like, why is this, why are we only hearing about this now?
	Why do we, you know, your point is valid.
	Why are we only hearing about these tools that walked out the door now?
	Why didn't we hear this before?
	Why is this guy telling me?
	Well, they were in his book.
	So the book has been out.
	How come we didn't hear about it when the book came out?
	And why did we not hear about it then?
	Because who's going to cover it?
	Nobody.
	Because they're all read in.
	They can't look at this stuff.
	I think the media is so read in and so... Oh, yeah.
	Five by five.
	All the way.
	They all have... I think they all have clearance.
	Yeah, and because of this stupid rule that if you have clearance you can't look at this stuff.
	That's why Dana Perino said it.
	That's public domain.
	That's why Dana Perino said it.
	She said that not for anyone watching Fox News.
	No, she said it for her colleagues.
	Hey, boys and girls.
	Just to remind them.
	So let's listen to the M5M and maybe we can pick up some things because a lot of this feels very set up.
	Again, somehow I get this QAnon vibe whenever I hear Discord and then Bellingcat and 4chan.
	No, Bellingcat, no, let's stop.
	Bellingcat was involved in this.
	It's you and Bellingcat.
	Anytime you hear Bellingcat, that is the red flag for you, major.
	Yes, yes.
	Yes, it is.
	Yes!
	Bellingcat is a bullcrap organization.
	That is, when they're involved and NBC's quoting them, you know, like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Alright, so here's ABC.
	This is Martha Raddatz.
	He sat on his parents' back deck, a news helicopter hovering overhead.
	Okay, so right there, why did the news helicopter know right away to be there?
	They were, they were, they were clued in.
	This is a true FBI...
	The FBI in armored vehicles with flak jackets, with camo gear.
	The flak jackets and the camo and the troop carrier, come on!
	Oh by the way, so I mentioned in the newsletter that there was one female FBI agent.
	Yeah, no helmet.
	With no helmet, and somebody wrote me an email, one of our producers sent a note in today.
	She said, or he said, that It was probably done on purpose to make it clear to everyone that they had enough diversity that they would have a female there and they had to make it clear.
	Yes.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Good point.
	So she can't wear the helmet because you wouldn't know.
	Oh, man.
	That would be that which makes it even more of a charade.
	Yeah.
	So when you have the news helicopter and they don't have the guy in custody, they're still getting him.
	That's a setup.
	They- Yeah, obviously.
	They told the news media, we're gonna go get him!
	He sat on his parents' back deck, a news helicopter hovering overhead, as an FBI SWAT team in full tactical gear approached.
	This is the moment they arrested the young man authorities believe may be responsible for the massive leak of top- Stop it again.
	So...
	Is there, do they do due diligence on these things?
	Because it seems to me that there was no way that a SWAT team was necessary.
	Unless they don't know anything.
	If they're completely idiots, they don't know who this guy is, anything about him.
	They've done no work whatsoever.
	They think it's the, you know, I don't know what they're expecting from this family with a kid, 21 year old airman first class, that they would come in with full force SWAT team.
	Unless they don't know what they're doing.
	So I don't believe that.
	No, it's just a false setup.
	This is television magic.
	And authorities believe may be responsible for the massive leak of top-secret information that has rattled America and our allies around the world.
	Rattled!
	21-year-old Jack Teixeira with his hands on- And could they get the age right?
	That's 20, 21, and no one has the age consistent.
	21-year-old Jack Teixeira, with his hands on his head, walking out of his family home in North Dighton, Massachusetts.
	Agents order him to turn around, and slowly, he backs towards them.
	He is seized, taken into custody, and led to an SUV.
	Stop again.
	He's not led to an SUV.
	He's led to a troop carrier and he sits on the back of it.
	Now, first of all, he's coming out.
	I love how you're doing my clips.
	I love this.
	Keep at it.
	But go on.
	Thank you, Kara.
	So he comes out, his hands on his head.
	They tell him to turn around and walk backwards.
	Why?
	Well, because, you know, he might have a ninja throwing star.
	Well, if he does, he might be in the front.
	Well, you... He could whip it out!
	He's not gonna carry it in the back, necessarily.
	But what is the point of what just... What is the point if he's coming at... Come on!
	He's got his hands behind his back.
	He's walking toward them.
	Now turn around and walk backwards.
	What is the point?
	I'm asking, is there law enforcement people out there?
	What is the point of this stupidity?
	He could trip over a rock walking backwards.
	He can't see where he's going.
	It's stupid.
	And if he trips over a rock and falls on his ass, do they shoot him?
	Why didn't they rush him?
	Yeah, and why didn't they rush?
	Well, that's a good point.
	They're SWAT.
	They should have done this with Trump.
	That would have been great.
	Make him turn backwards, walk backwards into the courthouse.
	Today, the Justice Department arrested Jack Douglas Teixeira in connection with an investigation into alleged... And I'm amazed everyone knew how to pronounce his name.
	I look at that name and I'm like, Teixeira, what is it?
	There was a kid in my, when I was in grammar school named Teixeira.
	Douglas Teixeira in connection with an investigation into alleged unauthorized removal, retention, and transmission of classified national defense information.
	Teixeira was a low-ranking enlisted airman, an IT specialist for the intelligence wing of the Massachusetts Air National Guard at Otis Air Force Base in Cape Cod.
	Ever since the story of the massive leak exploded into the headlines, the Pentagon and FBI have been on the hunt for the culprit.
	Was it a spy?
	Was it a rogue foreign power?
	Then, overnight, a blockbuster report in the Washington Post describing the man behind the leak not as an international criminal mastermind, but as a young man trying to impress a small group of other young men and teenagers in a 25-person invitation-only chat group in the online gaming forum Discord.
	So they don't even really know what Discord is, and that's kind of fun.
	You know, you have Discord, Discord servers.
	You know, you have Discord itself.
	You know, they immediately say it's associated with a game.
	Well, yeah, it is, but not necessarily.
	Lots of people have Discord servers.
	This guy also sounds to me not like a sysadmin.
	He sounds more like the guy who fixes your laptop.
	You know what I mean?
	So maybe there was a laptop open.
	Hey, I can't fix something.
	I can't print.
	Typical.
	Oh, I'll print for you.
	I can't.
	The printer won't work.
	I know from my dude's name, Ben, there's the two top IT specialist demands.
	One, my password doesn't work, which is typically because the caps lock is on.
	And the other is I can't print.
	So someone's over there.
	I can't print.
	Oh, would you look at this?
	No, I'll print it for you.
	Don't worry.
	Because it was printed out.
	And then fold it up.
	He did not exfiltrate it with a USB drive or anything.
	He printed it, which should be pretty easy.
	You know, as you have told us for years, that all printers have markings on them.
	So you can find out exactly which printer printed out a document, correct?
	Yep.
	They put their little light yellow codes that you can't see with the naked eye.
	All printers have this.
	The idea was, and it's not well known, but it's a fact, because it's to catch counterfeiters that use ink jets and laser printers.
	Alright, we continue.
	The post talking to one of those teens, appearing in shadow with his mother's permission.
	Now this I love.
	So this guy, this teen, who I guess was under 18, And OG, as they called him, was his best friend.
	Now you... This is all too stupid.
	This is actually insulting to our intelligence, but hey, you know, we cover this.
	The Post talking to one of those teens, appearing in shadow with his mother's permission.
	He described the person who he said posted all those classified documents.
	He was a young charismatic man who loved nature, God, who loved shooting guns and racing cars.
	Isn't this the clip you played last show?
	I think so.
	No.
	Yeah, you played this clip.
	No, I'm not talking about the clip you're playing now.
	I'm talking about this kid.
	You played a sub clip.
	This is different, this is different.
	By the way, people are questioning your printer story, saying that sounds like some Steve Pachenik bullcrap.
	We're not talking about the quantum watermarks, okay?
	Just explain how you know this.
	From a printer maker.
	Yeah?
	I was told about this probably in the late 80s.
	Yeah.
	Here's the problem.
	The laser printers in particular were getting so good that you could print, you know, a $100 bill, a $20 bill, it's mostly 20s.
	People started printing these things on these early laser printers and so something had to be done to track them down.
	And so they developed this idea of printing these very light serial, essentially it's a serial number.
	Uh, of dots, of very super light yellow dots that can be detected with, if you put them under a microscope, you can find them.
	Just run a couple of blank sheets of paper through your printer, and you'll see these little... They don't necessarily appear on a blank sheet, you have to print something.
	Yeah, you gotta print something out, yeah.
	Because otherwise the head's just gonna stay there.
	But it's on inkjets, and I'm pretty sure it's on inkjets, but it's on inkjets and lasers.
	I stand with you on this one.
	It makes sense.
	Of course it does.
	Why wouldn't you do this?
	All right.
	Onward.
	...who loved shooting guns and... I love, I love the, uh, bringing some white Christian stuff with this is always good.
	...and racing cars.
	And God.
	He did have sort of a bossy attitude at some points, but it was more of a fatherly bossy.
	He did see himself as the leader of this group, and he ultimately, he was the leader of this group.
	This, this, this kid's, I mean, does this sound like your typical 17 year old or 16 year old?
	Or is this someone talking about him?
	I'm unsure.
	The teen said that starting last fall...
	No, the teen.
	She said this kid that's talking is supposedly the 17, 18 year old.
	That doesn't sound like... to me.
	You think he sounds more mature?
	Sounds more mature and he's not talking... You think he's a plant?
	Yes!
	Where's the... Have you heard 16 and 17 year olds talk like he was kind of like the leader of the group?
	You know, like he was the OG.
	I simp with him.
	This was not that guy!
	He did see himself as the leader of this group, and ultimately he was the leader of this group.
	The team said that starting last fall, the man who he called OG posted hundreds of pages of classified documents to impress his friends in the group.
	The documents were often listed as Ukraine versus Russia at first.
	However, it slowly spiraled into just intelligence about everything.
	How did that feel to know things before the rest of the world knew them?
	It felt like I was on top of Mount Everest.
	It felt like I was above everyone else to some degree.
	Hold on, stop.
	So you, your theory that this is a plant, of course he's obscured because his mom wouldn't let him talk.
	Yeah, but his mom let him talk.
	So we don't know who it is.
	Hey, how come he doesn't have one of those voice changers?
	Well, he definitely needs one.
	It sounds like he's in his 20s or 30s.
	And so, it doesn't make sense what he's saying.
	That, you know, okay, so I'm a 17-year-old and I'm getting, I'm in a Discord chat room and I'm talking about some games or doing deconstructions of different strategies so it has something to do with who knows what.
	And all of a sudden you get a bunch of You just classified top-secret documents about the relationship of Poland to Lithuania and the Jewish Mossad stuff and now you feel like you're on top of the world?
	Mount Everest!
	Mount Everest?
	Really?
	Even if I saw that stuff, I wouldn't feel that way.
	Hey, and where's this Mount Everest coming from?
	Hello, 1980, you would say, oh, like I was on top of Mount Everest.
	Today we'd say something else.
	Help me out, trolls.
	I don't know.
	You might be right about that.
	That's a good catch.
	It just doesn't sound right.
	Yeah, you wouldn't be saying stuff that, you know, welcome to the 70s, you know.
	It felt like I was on top of Mount Everest.
	It felt like I was above everyone else to some degree.
	And that I would be able to brag to some people that I knew stuff that they didn't.
	But in the months that followed, the documents were shared well beyond that small chat group.
	The Post reporter also viewed video of the man identified as OG standing at a shooting range with a rifle yelling racial and anti-semitic slurs before firing his weapon.
	Alright.
	Let's throw that in.
	Hey, you black Jew!
	I hate you!
	And why don't we have this video?
	This is dynamite stuff!
	We need this video!
	We got the kid!
	Yeah, I'm still waiting for the manifesto from the shooter.
	Yeah, right?
	We're not seeing that either.
	Standing at a shooting range with a rifle, yelling racial and anti-semitic slurs before firing his weapon at a target.
	But when the story of the leaks mushroomed into an international crisis, the teen said OG became alarmed.
	He says OG said goodbye to the group just a few days ago.
	He was just saying that this may be the last he ever sees of us and he was thanking us for all the good times that we had together and hoping that everything would blow over.
	Is he gonna kill himself?
	Is he gonna blow himself up?
	So, uh, do they have copies of these, uh, this transcript, if I'm saying that?
	We have not seen that.
	We have not seen that.
	Huh.
	You'd think it'd be easy to get.
	Uh, this is a dynamite report, by the way.
	I think what ABC has gone above and beyond to give us great content.
	Thank you, Martha.
	Thank you, Martha.
	Martha, as you noted there, Jack Teixeira is a very low-ranking member of the armed services, raising even more questions about why he had such access to top-secret information.
	You know, Whit, he may not even have been approved to see what he allegedly copied.
	We just don't know that yet.
	But he was an IT specialist, meaning he may have worked on computers that had classified information.
	Yeah, he worked on computers that had classified information.
	And I think that sounds like the perfect honeypot.
	And there's plenty of thinking out there that this needs, maybe not all of this, but some of this needed to come out.
	Some of it needs to be talked about because of the obvious poor situation in Ukraine, and we need to back out of that, and you know, we need to start preparing people for the fact that this is going to be another Afghanistan debacle.
	It's no good.
	And here's the final clip in this series.
	Martha, we know it's early in the investigation, but what are you learning about whether the Pentagon will reassess who can see these kinds of classified documents in the future?
	Well, already today, the Secretary of Defense has ordered a review of who gets access to top-secret documents and how that information is handled and contained.
	Wow, you'd think they'd have done that, as you pointed out.
	You know, maybe Chelsea Manning might have been the time to do that, or... No, no, no.
	This smells... Let's go to NBC.
	Let's see what they have over there.
	New information tonight about the Chinese spy balloon shot down earlier this year.
	The details coming from the classified documents allegedly leaked by 21-year-old National Guard Airman Jack Teixeira.
	I hadn't heard about this!
	There's balloon information that he's leaked now?
	Now it's becoming more obvious that something is amiss.
	Because we've dug ourselves into a bunch of different holes that we can't seem to get ourselves out of.
	So let's leak our own information so we can always go, well, you know, yeah, it sounds like that from the public facing that doesn't look good.
	with the public facing that doesn't look good.
	But as you can tell, back here and back in the back, we've already determined that this and that and the other thing.
	So it looks like a cover your ass situation.
	That's very possible.
	I mean, these all seem to be covering your ass.
	I mean, okay, yeah, sure, we got it.
	And also, burn a few bridges that you might want to burn.
	Yeah, let's see if we can.
	Let's burn the UN guy.
	He's toast.
	Let's burn the Mossad.
	Or not.
	Or whatever that's all about.
	We don't know for sure.
	Good point.
	Yeah, there's some burning here.
	But let's burn this stupid Ukraine war that we're going broke sending stuff over because we've got to start concentrating on China.
	How about this?
	How about a consolidation of intelligence power?
	Because what you're not hearing here is that the CIA is not getting burned.
	You know, that's an interesting theory too, I think.
	Well, that could be involved, that could be part of it.
	Alright, let's go.
	The Washington Post reports that Chinese spy balloon carried sensors and antennas, and that the U.S.
	knew of up to four additional Chinese spy balloons.
	The paper also reporting on Taiwan's vulnerability to a Chinese attack, citing a Pentagon assessment that China would quickly gain air superiority if it invaded Taiwan.
	There are also new insights tonight into why the U.S.
	government didn't know for months that state secrets had been posted online.
	At issue, the limits on what kind of checks are done on the 1.3 million Americans with top-secret security clearance.
	Critics say the government now can't keep track of all the people with access to sensitive information.
	Okay, alright, this is, now this is turning into something good because I have a feeling that all the, exactly what you said, all these things we're hearing, they're not even in the documents.
	We haven't seen, all we've seen is some maps of Ukraine, a couple, we haven't seen any of this.
	Where is it?
	Where are these documents?
	Where are these hundreds of documents?
	Where are they?
	Where are they?
	I mean, if they were on Discord, they've been copied, they've been distributed everywhere.
	Why don't I have a copy?
	No, you probably should.
	So I'm thinking another thing here, and I think this was brought up in some other situation we had, where these were first released, or at least started to get released, the good ones, months ago.
	So they're getting released, and the guys who were doing the planning for this whole scam, they're saying, okay, we got these released, we got that released, this guy's printing it.
	Let's wait until the news media catches it.
	A week goes by.
	Or maybe it's just bull crap.
	No, let me finish.
	So the week goes by, nobody picks up on it.
	Another week goes by, nobody picks up on it.
	Another week goes by, nobody picks up on it.
	Nobody's picking up on what's going on.
	They freak out and this is all, you know, this should have started a month ago because it's costing us money with the stuff we're sending to Ukraine.
	I think this whole thing had to be blowed out by the intel people themselves because the news media was so lax!
	That they couldn't catch this thing going on.
	Don't you think?
	Possible.
	When you say planning department, I just visualize these guys with Gantt charts on the wall.
	Planning department, yeah.
	Leaking planning department.
	Well, let's see, there's more NBC here.
	He's just the latest 20-something accused of leaking.
	There's a lot about 20-somethings, too.
	I'm hearing a lot about 20-somethings, young people, 20-somethings, 20-somethings, low-level, low-level.
	There's a lot of memes going on here from the mainstream.
	He's just the latest 20-something accused of leaking top-secret information.
	Jack Teixeira's job is... Wait.
	I know we're never going to get through these clips.
	I enjoy this so much.
	But wait.
	But wait.
	He's the latest?
	Yeah, exactly.
	20-something?
	Who are the other ones?
	There you go.
	That have been leaking top-secret documents.
	I must have missed something.
	He's the... I don't remember this.
	Troll Room?
	What other 20-somethings were involved in this?
	Back it up and listen to that little ditty again.
	He's just the latest 20-something accused of leaking top secret information.
	I mean, reality winner, maybe?
	But she's now 50.
	That was so long ago.
	That's not right.
	Snowden wasn't 20-something.
	Well, maybe he was.
	No, I don't think so.
	I think it was in the early 30s.
	But that's 10 years ago.
	And that's 10 years ago.
	That's not the latest.
	So it's not the latest.
	It's a re-emergence, you could say.
	Maybe.
	But I don't think that Snowden... It applies to Snowden.
	Definitely doesn't apply to Assange.
	The guy's 90.
	Poor, poor... Well, Aaron Swartz, I mean, yeah, I guess you could say that.
	But how about this?
	20-somethings are a problem.
	We gotta do something with them.
	Jack Teixeira's job as a cyber transport systems journeyman.
	Cyber transport systems journeyman.
	That means he took out the removable hard disks.
	Cyber transport.
	That's the cyber transfer and then he put a new disk in there.
	Cyber transport.
	But Journeyman, isn't Journeyman someone who was hired gun for something?
	No, a journeyman means a guy who is adept and is highly qualified for a layer of jobs.
	He's the journeyman.
	He's the guy who knows what he's doing.
	Now, historically speaking, a trained worker who is employed by someone else Okay, but in the labor force, it's a guy who knows what he's doing.
	He's a journeyman.
	As opposed to a beginner or a new guy or whatever.
	Or the boss.
	Cyber transport.
	This is new.
	Cyber transport.
	That's a removable hard disk.
	job as a cyber transport systems journeyman and it worker with no transport systems that means he worked on cars trucks cars and trucks yeah he's a he was a good guy when it came to automatic transmissions i guarantee you there there's men and women in our armed forces who are rolling their eyes at us right now i mean are already writing emails And I can't wait to read them.
	Back to Shera's job as a cyber transport systems journeyman, an IT worker with access to secret systems, required that he was at least 17, hold a driver's license, and undergo 18 months of training.
	That sounds good enough for Shakira.
	Oh yeah.
	Go for it.
	Sounds good.
	That's the way to keep our secrets.
	Give it to 17 year olds.
	Four-star General Barry McCaffrey.
	No question.
	He shouldn't have had even a remote access to that kind of information.
	Nor should the Air National Guard.
	I mean, at the end of the day, it's a compromise.
	But veteran intelligence experts say 1.3 million Americans have access to top-secret information.
	Now, it is my understanding that it's more like 3 million Americans.
	Here they come again with 1.3 million.
	I was thinking 10.
	Could even be that.
	Well, the classification, I don't know if it's top secret, but we always heard it was about 3 million top secret clearance.
	And NBC keeps throwing out this 1.3 million, but they can't keep track of them.
	Top secret information from military and government workers to outside contractors.
	And the military has always relied on 20-somethings.
	There it is again!
	20-somethings!
	So this is a hit job on the military, too.
	You stupid military.
	You can't rely on 20-somethings.
	It's the very youngest members of the service that have the skill sets and talents in cyber and IT.
	Ah, there it is.
	Because only the 20-somethings can understand Discord.
	To become administrators of their systems.
	Need to know is based on patriotism, trust, and threat of prosecution.
	That you'll never disclose national secrets for the rest of your life, or face possible prison time.
	Need to know and patriotism?
	I didn't... Can you measure patriotism?
	That's interesting.
	And you know, I have no CBS clips.
	Just again tells me that some of this is CIA, you know, CIA throwing... This could be a massive op.
	It could be CIA versus DIA.
	Well, I don't think that that battle needs to be done in this manner.
	Which is fine.
	But this is some sort of an... I mean, if it's some sort of... if it's some sort of an op, which it looks like more and more as we deconstruct, we have to figure out why.
	And I think... I'm going to stick with my theory, which is it's a cover your ass situation.
	They're going to burn a few people, so what?
	We've got to stop this Ukraine war.
	We've got to deal with this and we've got to deal with that.
	We've got to let it be known that we knew about this all along.
	The Chinese balloon was no surprise.
	And all the other bullcrap they can't seem to explain.
	Alright, back to NBC.
	He's just the latest 20-something accused of leaking top-secret information.
	23-year-old Chelsea Manning provided 700,000 documents to WikiLeaks.
	23.
	There it is.
	Here's your 23.
	So these are all dumb shits.
	Can't believe... No, they're not dumb shits.
	They're untrustworthy.
	There you go.
	29-year-old Edward Snowden fled to Russia.
	Okay.
	There it is.
	Now we understand it's the 29-year-olds that the military employs.
	The military.
	It's a partly hit job on DIA.
	...US secrets.
	Jack Teixeira's job as a cyber transport systems journeyman, an IT worker with access to secret systems, required that he was at least 17, hold a driver's license, and... I think the judge did not play this clip, I'm sorry.
	Back to, now, Hallie Johnson.
	Now we get into just a couple other issues, because the big thing On Twitter, etc.
	This is to hurry along the Restrict Act!
	And we kind of had that initial thinking as well, because they were talking about, oh, it's on social media, social media, but now it's no longer on social media.
	Now it's on the focus on Discord and private chats.
	NBC News is learning tonight that intel agencies are looking to change how they monitor chat rooms and social media online, according to multiple sources familiar with this, after that huge leak of sensitive Pentagon documents on Discord.
	Apparently they're looking to expand now how many kinds of sites like this they watch after all of that classified information was exposed.
	It was mostly related to the war in Ukraine.
	The Pentagon really showing it does not want a repeat at all of these super sensitive documents just hanging out for maybe weeks without... Just hanging out?
	What is that?
	What is that Hallie Jackson?
	She does that every so often with her presentation.
	She does that little high voice kind of borderline squeal.
	Like limited hanging out?
	The Pentagon really showing it does not want a repeat at all of these super sensitive documents just hanging out for maybe weeks without anybody noticing.
	NBC's Dan DeLuce is joining us now.
	So they have this discord chat sound going on in the background, which is, I think, meant to aggravate your nervous system for some reason.
	It's really bad.
	You are among the team reporting on this.
	You, Carol, Lee, others.
	What are the changes these intel agencies want to make here?
	Like, is this just a function of getting more staff looking at places like Discord, other corners of the internet, etc.?
	Corners of the internet?
	Like those damn podcasts!
	Yes, it is.
	And of course, there's no guarantee it's still really difficult, right?
	Right.
	And the problem is... What's really difficult, right?
	What is so difficult, right?
	You guys own the wires.
	You can look at anything you want.
	You've got room 204, whatever it was.
	You copy the internet.
	In Utah.
	How difficult is it, right?
	Yes, it is.
	And of course, there's no guarantee it's still really difficult, right?
	And the problem is, these documents appeared in a pretty obscure corner of the internet.
	What is this corner?
	Is it square?
	The internet's a big square, and there's a corner.
	We're in the corner of the internet.
	And the problem is these documents appeared in a pretty obscure corner of the internet.
	And Discord, the social app where they first appeared, is known by cyber experts as a place where you can kind of move illicit data.
	That it's a place where sometimes criminals put out malware or stolen data.
	So some critics are saying the U.S.
	should have been a little bit more vigilant.
	On the other hand, we can't watch everything.
	So they're trying to now expand the number of sites they'll look at.
	They're also looking at restricting how many people get access to some of this classified information to try to reduce the risk.
	Restrict how many people get access to reduce the risk?
	I think you're right.
	At this point, it's just a thing.
	It's just the Discord server and the 20-somethings.
	And you can say whatever you want.
	Well, you know, we all know that that information was leaked out by the 20-somethings on the Discord in a corner of the Internet.
	You can just say it.
	We have no proof of what they're saying.
	We have no proof.
	I've seen five, six images of maps That are folded.
	What have you seen?
	Have you seen more than that?
	Yeah, there's a lot more than that I've seen.
	What have you seen?
	There's just a bunch of documents.
	There's just a variety of just, you know, memos and other crazy stuff.
	There's a lot of stuff.
	I haven't seen much of that.
	We'll send something to you.
	Don't.
	Whatever you do, don't.
	What about privacy laws?
	Because I know you can't look at it.
	Really?
	Really?
	You're going to out me like that?
	What about privacy laws and how that plays a part in this?
	Because that's a factor here too.
	Absolutely.
	This is good.
	Now they're talking about privacy laws.
	This is really interesting.
	Factor here, too.
	Absolutely, and it's complicated.
	It's not so easy.
	You cannot burst into a private chat room without probable cause.
	Oh, yeah, this is good.
	This is why they had to employ Bellingcat, to get around the possibility that anyone says, hey, wait a minute, what are you guys doing in our private chat?
	You can't do that.
	Well, I'm going to stop you there.
	Why?
	Why can't they do that?
	You can't spy on Americans.
	You're not spying on anybody.
	You're just going in and checking in a private... It's a chat room.
	It's on the internet.
	It's like there's no... It's a corner.
	A corner of the internet.
	I don't care if it's a corner or if it's a triangle.
	There is a... There's no... What is that word they use?
	There's no expectation of privacy.
	It's the internet!
	Which is for porn!
	Absolutely, and it's complicated.
	It's not so easy.
	You cannot burst into a private chat room without probable cause.
	Hey, bullcrap!
	Bullcrap!
	It's bullcrap.
	Wait, stop.
	I got another thought on this.
	They're saying this.
	Because that's what a honeypot operation would do.
	Right.
	You'd say something like this, which is bullcrap, because there's no expectation of privacy on the Internet.
	Period.
	So you'd say something like what he just said, well, you know, if you're in our private track, you know, the IRC, maybe you'll be in there in their crazy room there and we can't do anything without a warrant.
	That's bullcrap.
	He's just lying to suckers, people, stupid people.
	There you go.
	Without probable cause, no matter what government agency you are.
	So, just like after 9-11, there's going to be this balance here where they try to be vigilant, try to prevent this.
	Oh, okay.
	This gives a little bit of credence to the Restrict Act, also known as Patriot 2.0.
	Just like after 9-11, and we had to have a balance there, we had to have a balance.
	Well, there may be some credence to that.
	that.
	I'm kind of liking that idea now.
	Where they try to try to be vigilant, try to prevent this, but there still has to be some kind of legal authority if you're looking at a private chat room and these documents started out on a private chat room.
	So there is no easy solution here.
	I should also add, you know, this is kind of an unusual situation.
	This isn't like previous leaks, at least so far, right?
	You don't have, if you have a whistleblower, they want to take their information to a media outlet, for example.
	They want to broadcast it publicly.
	No!
	No!
	That's not true.
	Yeah, because the media outlets will immediately broadcast it publicly.
	No, no, that's not true.
	You can't even look at it because you have clearance.
	If you have a whistleblower, they want to take their information to a media outlet, for example.
	They want to broadcast it publicly.
	It's all bullcrap.
	to whistleblower go to a private chat room where a really small group of people see it right and if you're a spy and you want to pass it to a foreign government why would you go to a chat room where you don't know everyone in the room so it's a very odd case all that stuff that guy said is weird that was really it's all bullcrap yeah it's all part of the honeypot scheme okay so let's break How did this work?
	What is happening here?
	What do we think is the point?
	What is the official No Agenda stance on this?
	I don't think we can have a unified stance on this, but I have my thesis, which is that this is a cover-your-ass moment.
	They're trying to make up for all us screw-ups.
	Mainly for Ukraine.
	Mainly for Ukraine, but also the balloon.
	Let's throw whatever else we can throw in there to, you know, make up for lost time, and then let the, you know, take this kid and throw the book at him.
	And then we burn a few people.
	Yeah, but you burn a few people and you may be burning people you want to burn, that's possible too.
	You know, the guys in Russia, perhaps if there is anybody that could have all been done as you listen to this Bamford guy, he also mentions there's a possibility it was all just the signals guy that picked up all this information.
	There was no Hugh Mint type guys over in Russia giving us anything.
	I think this is the New York Times.
	Photographs of some of the documents first appeared on Discord app channels focused on the Minecraft computer game, which is, is that all 20, isn't that like 12 year olds?
	Is that still a thing?
	Yeah, yeah, it's a huge.
	And followers of a minor YouTube celebrity known as Wow Mao, according to Bellingcat and other online experts.
	Thanks, Bellingcat.
	So that's your injection of the op right there, Bellingcat.
	The photographed documents then eventually made their way to the image board for Chan, then pro-Russian telegram channels and Twitter.
	The New York Times first reported on the documents last week.
	A former official said, quote, watching a public chatroom is fair game, but law enforcement agencies don't have the legal authority to monitor a private online chatroom without probable cause.
	This is calling for legislation.
	That, by the way, is bullcrap what they just said.
	This reminds me, I'm going to remind people... Hold on, I want you to remind us, but I just want to say, it's bullcrap, but they want some kind of legislation by saying that.
	And it's not- Could be.
	They definitely won't give them a course.
	Definitely.
	That's the Restrict Act, probably.
	Well, the Restrict Act's really bad.
	Yeah.
	So I want to remind people that in TV dramas, and they've been doing this and they keep doing it, and we all should know that it's bullcrap, where the guy gets, hold it, keep the guy in the line!
	We're putting a trace on the call!
	My absolute favorite bullcrap bit.
	They're still using that scam.
	We need 15 more seconds!
	Oh, it was only 27 seconds.
	We couldn't complete the trace.
	We couldn't complete the trace.
	Really?
	You watch those shows.
	They're still doing that?
	They're still pulling that.
	It's bullcrap because in today's world, it's modern switches.
	They give you the number immediately.
	Someone gave this kid this information.
	I get the sense that someone did too, and they goaded him.
	Because he looks like, have you seen a picture of him, not with his little mustache and beard, but have you seen his photo?
	He looks like a wimpy punk.
	He looks like he's 12.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And he looks so naive, it's not even funny.
	Yeah.
	And it's like, no, no, no.
	Something's up.
	He's going to get off on a technicality or something.
	He'll get discharged.
	No, no, no.
	Throw the book at this kid.
	Well, that reminds me, let's listen to some right-wing talkers in Tampa, Florida.
	This is the Mike and Mark Show.
	Mike and Mark Show, everybody!
	How you doing in the afternoon?
	Hero, scoundrel, or somewhere in the middle, goat?
	Scoundrel.
	I mean, he's a criminal, and everybody knows he's a criminal.
	He's a 21-year-old criminal who, you know, has put lives in jeopardy, has embarrassed the United States.
	I hope he rots in jail, but yet that's not... Wow, these guys, I'm telling you, these guys, they can't look at the documents.
	Trust me.
	The Tucker Carlson sort of red meat, Marjorie Taylor Greene response.
	And I kind of think I'm one of them, but not on this one.
	And I'm just wondering.
	I love this patriot virtue signaling they're doing.
	These two guys.
	I've never heard of Mark and Mike.
	Are they big?
	Mike Gallagher is fairly famous as a talk show guy.
	And Mark Miller, I can't remember his last name, but they do it.
	This is like, you know, this is the typical local yokels.
	And, you know, in this case, they do a combo show in the morning.
	I'm sure it's a morning show.
	It can't be afternoon.
	Morning show in Tampa.
	No, because we have that other fine product in the afternoon.
	What is it?
	What used to be Limbaugh?
	What is it now?
	Oh, Bongino?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	The two guys.
	Bongino took Limbo's spot.
	No, no, no.
	Those two guys took over.
	No, no, no.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Well, at least locally, Bongino took the spot.
	What are these guys' names?
	Buck.
	Buck Sexton.
	Buck's a nut.
	Oh, Buck and Buck and Buck?
	Buck and Buck and Duck.
	It's ex-CIA.
	Come on.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
	They took over the actual slot.
	I think the initial name was Two Spooks, was that right?
	Or am I wrong about that?
	Two Spooks, One Cup.
	But not on this one.
	And I'm just wondering, there's a phenomenon called, I call it contrarianism.
	Everybody's gotta be a contrarian.
	Everybody's gotta go the opposite way.
	Which is exactly what you're doing!
	Gotta be a contrarian.
	Everybody's got to go the opposite way.
	We're so cynical of the government, and we should be.
	By the way, we should be.
	I don't believe a lot of what they're telling us.
	It is peculiar that the New York Times was at this kid's doorstep before the feds showed up.
	It is peculiar they had news camera crews hovering overhead and they managed to tap it.
	Oh, wait a minute!
	They're doing my material here!
	What is this?
	Stop!
	...overhead and they managed to tap, isn't that something?
	The stunning video, they captured the arrest.
	Wait, so the whole, it stinks to high heaven, there's no question about it, but that doesn't change that we don't want to leak classified information that puts our troops and our people in harm's way.
	Two spooks, one honeypot is the, uh... Two spooks, one... ...is the name of the show.
	That'd be good.
	So that's what you're gonna hear from some of these guys.
	We need this.
	this.
	I forgot all about whoopies that whoopie.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	We have, you have, you have this.
	Remember this?
	I'm going to play that end of show.
	I got to play that end of show.
	That's too good.
	Classified.
	I haven't played that in a long time.
	It's a nut job.
	It's She can do that again.
	She should pull out that CLASSIFIED!
	When did that happen even?
	That classifier was a long time ago.
	So yeah, so I think we have...
	We have something, yeah, the Ukraine stuff was planted.
	We had to get that out because it's not going well and we need to get some real information out there so we can start kind of soft peddling and talking about it.
	Ukraine's not even in the news anymore.
	No one cares.
	It's all China.
	China and Trump.
	And then, yeah, I think you're right.
	Then it's just like, oh man, what an opportunity.
	Let's just throw everything out there that we can.
	And let's burn some people.
	Let's burn.
	I like the burning of people.
	That's great.
	That really, that fits well.
	And then we have this story, which kind of comes in in an odd way, you know, talking about Restrict Act.
	This is a great little side story here.
	late today becoming the first state in the U.S. to pass a bill banning TikTok on all personal devices.
	Yeah.
	The bill prohibits the popular social media app from operating within the state.
	If signed by the governor, it would take effect in January.
	TikTok has suggested it will take legal action.
	The Biden administration has threatened a nationwide ban demanding TikTok's Chinese owners sell the company because of concerns China could access users' personal data.
	And in this Montana bill, they even say, well, if the company sells to a U.S. company, company, then it'll be okay.
	And I'm very curious how they want to do this.
	So they have to go to Apple and Google, and they have to say, Apple and Google, you cannot have your users in, I mean, is it people who are residents in Montana, or only if you're in the geographic location of Montana?
	I have no idea.
	And that kind of starts, I know you have no idea, but let's just think about it.
	I mean, how would that be enforceable?
	And that really starts off, I mean, oh, you know, this book, we've banned this book in Montana.
	Amazon?
	Make sure no one can download it.
	And can you really, can you really enforce that?
	I think it's unenforceable.
	I would agree.
	It's like a dead letter law right from the get-go.
	What's a dead letter law?
	It's a law that's on the books, but nobody has ever enforced it.
	There's a lot of, tons of them.
	There's like kissing laws here and there in certain, from the 1800s, and they're on the books.
	You can't kiss?
	You can't kiss in public in some town, but... No.
	Yeah.
	That might be in Fredericksburg.
	I'll have to check.
	There's tons of laws against kissing in public that are on the books.
	Wow!
	And we're worried about LGBTQ.
	We should look at some of these laws.
	Wow.
	Hmm.
	Just on TikTok briefly, I was reading an article from the Dutch press.
	It was the Dutch government press, NOS.
	And it's, you know, it's tourist season.
	Actually, it's a little early, but, you know, April, May, if you get the weather, it's beautiful in Amsterdam and beautiful in the Netherlands in general.
	It's really, it's a small window.
	It's like a car wash.
	It's a tulips crop, right?
	Tulips and everything.
	Yeah, it's dynamite.
	I've been there during that time of year and the tulips are everywhere.
	Yeah, it's beautiful.
	I went to the tulip festival.
	The Floriada.
	I guess.
	Yeah, that's what it is, Floriada.
	So now there's a phenomenon taking place that people, there will be an hour-long wait, a queue, in front of a french fry stand because it went viral on TikTok.
	And people get in the line, and it completely is self-perpetuating.
	Of course, like, hey, I want to get some French fries.
	Where should we go?
	Oh, let's look on TikTok.
	As we know, this is Google's big problem.
	This is one of the reason for trying to get rid of them is because Google and meta platforms, they're all losing big advertising money.
	And we have nothing but example after example of people in the advertising business or departments.
	Billions.
	Departments within their companies are saying, oh yeah, we're allocating all our money to TikTok.
	And so they search for it on TikTok.
	They see a cool video and then, oh cool, we're gonna go there.
	And then they go there and they say, oh, there's a line.
	Oh, look at the line!
	They TikTok that on the line.
	Right.
	And they don't want to leave because there's people behind them in line.
	And you don't want to go home and people say, hey, you were in Holland.
	Did you go to that French fry stand?
	Oh, you didn't go to the one on TikTok?
	What kind of doofus are you?
	And this is without You know, look, French fry stands don't really have a lot of marketing department tradition, and it's creating big problems.
	It's creating problems for other retailers in the same neighborhood.
	These are on the little streets in Amsterdam, and it's just an hour-long queue for a French fry.
	So this TikTok thing, their algo, which we've discussed, is very, very, very popular and a big problem for people who don't like it.
	I think it's great.
	And by the way, let's just talk briefly.
	I don't want to talk about Dylan Mulvaney, but I think we should talk about influencers and influence campaigns.
	And this is exactly what I said this was.
	This was no spokesmodel.
	This was not a big, you know, Dylan Mulvaney is the, you know, we're hiring him as, you know, to be the face of our product.
	No, none of that.
	This is the influencer departments, which is a very cheap way And they use these influencers.
	Where's Mulvaney?
	Mulvaney's on TikTok.
	Okay?
	TikTok.
	TikTok is where all the marketing is going.
	And you've got all these... Remember when I had Think New Ideas?
	I would have the biggest company, Reebok was a great example.
	Reebok, we built their website, planetreebok.com.
	I also built Anheuser-Busch, Budweiser.com, Budlight.com, but they were a little more, they didn't say the following which Reebok did.
	We'd like you to build our website, and we'd like to have some reporting, and we'd like to have the Human Rights Now Foundation information in there, and our sports, our stars, and we have Shaq, so we'd like you to do a chat with Shaq, and you always get this, we'd like you to create a viral video.
	Because they thought you could just create a viral video.
	And this was a very sophisticated marketing department who just didn't know anything about the internet.
	This still goes on.
	Yeah, I'm sure it does.
	So now it's like, you know, so it was not this VP of marketing who created this Mulvaney campaign.
	No, it was the influencer marketing department.
	And I think that this is going to be a case study in the dangers of influencer marketing and it's going to dry up.
	I think big brands are going to say, oh crap, we saw what happened and we don't want that to happen to our brand.
	And it's going to come from the top down because the CEO who issued a statement, which it wasn't an apology.
	It was just a statement like, hey, man.
	He wasn't just.
	What?
	I understand.
	Go ahead.
	This whole thing is so fishy.
	I'm almost of the opinion that this has been done on purpose.
	This woman and the guy, the ex-CIA guy that was the CEO of Anheuser-Busch came out of military intelligence and he went to the CIA.
	Then he went to Pepsi and he has a very interesting background.
	He looks like a male model.
	You only see a few pictures of him.
	He's always got that big smile.
	He just looks too good.
	You don't even know it's him.
	We have to realize that InBev, which is a Belgian multinational.
	Actually, it's Brazilian Belgian.
	Oh, I didn't know that.
	And the CEO of InBev is Brazilian.
	I did not know this.
	And the Anheuser-Busch part of it was a hostile takeover.
	Correct.
	That the Bush family was not too happy about.
	They reversed back into the stock.
	That's why it's AB InBev on the stock market.
	Yes, they did.
	But that was like, they still aren't happy.
	They'd rather run this thing themselves.
	The Bush family's famous for their, they've been doing this in the 1800s, and they figured they can do it better than these guys.
	And this woman, well, let me finish a little tidbits here.
	This woman who is the so-called VP of Marketing, if you look up the wiki page, you'll find that she's actually the co-president with the CIA guy, at least for a while, and then she got downgraded.
	This whole thing stinks to high heaven.
	I think that, and there's pictures of her that were all suddenly leaked on the Daily Caller of her being an out-and-out.
	A frat boy drunk sorority chick, a Sally, floating around at the parties.
	Is that called a Sally?
	Sally's, yeah.
	It's an old term.
	But yeah, she's a Sally hanging out with the frat boys, drinking too much with their friends, you know, whooping it up.
	And, you know, pre Flickr, the old actual 35, you know, which means they're real photographs that somehow they got into the Daily Caller.
	Couldn't have been like that.
	I thought they were from her Instagram.
	I don't know that.
	But whatever the case, I don't think she has a... Not anymore.
	None of them have a LinkedIn.
	Everyone's learning from this.
	I shouldn't have put my resume on LinkedIn.
	Said the CIA guy.
	Well, the whole thing is fishy, and I think it's, I think it may be a scheme to, to, like, hurt A, B, and Bev if they can.
	I don't know that they can.
	To get that, to make them have to start selling off.
	They have so many properties.
	People think it's this and that.
	I know, it's a lot.
	So Boots on the Ground Insider.
	It's about a thousand beer companies.
	Boots on the Ground Insider from HQ AB InBev.
	Our Boots on the Ground producer says it's a crazy place to work right now.
	He knows the person in charge of the influencer campaigns.
	He's pretty sure that person's gonna be fired.
	Alyssa Heinerscheid also probably gonna be fired.
	But she was not the one who greenlit this.
	It was done through the influencers campaign department.
	And there's a different VP for that.
	And what I hear, yes, it is hurting Anheuser-Busch, because the way the beer business works, it's the distributors.
	And the distributors are seeing the fallback in purchase.
	You know, distributorship of beer is a big deal.
	To get one, and the distributors kind of, they're the boss.
	They have a lot to say.
	Frank Sinatra had a distributorship for beer.
	And they're very exclusive.
	There's not like competition because it's so mobbed up.
	If you've got Atlanta, you've got Atlanta.
	You own Atlanta.
	Sinatra, hello.
	Yeah.
	If you've got Atlanta, you've got Atlanta.
	Yeah, you own Atlanta.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Well, that may be, but I don't know much about the mob.
	It's more your territory.
	Thanks.
	But I have a feeling that influencer marketing is going to end with this.
	It's going to be dangerous.
	People are now going to see that, you know, you can't have these nut jobs running around on TikTok promoting your product because inevitably you have no control over them.
	I'm telling you this is going to be big and it's also going to be a problem for Silicon Valley because this is part of their business.
	It's the influencer marketing without that demand.
	Who wants to be an influencer if you can't make money out of it anymore?
	We'll see.
	Okay.
	I mean I think it has, I mean you could be totally right but I think it just The selection process of picking some of these screwballs, like Dylan Mulvaney, who are an embarrassment.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Super, super embarrassment.
	Okay.
	Now... Did you see the latest thing from... Please, let's not talk about Mulvaney.
	It's gotta be something else.
	Well, I'm gonna talk about it.
	I mean, that's what I meant.
	What's his name?
	O'Keefe?
	Media?
	I mean, yeah, exactly.
	See him tracking her down at the hotel?
	Him.
	You know, tracking it down at the hotel?
	Yeah.
	I didn't even watch it.
	Well, I watched it.
	It was like a typical O'Keefe thing.
	There was no substance.
	What's the point?
	Just following somebody around with a microphone and sticking it in their face and telling them to say something is not really... I'm not impressed.
	Well, and I'm not impressed by O'Keefe for the same reason.
	It's all dumb.
	This is all blowing up in everybody's face.
	No one cares.
	We have talked about O'Keefe.
	He seemed like a nice guy.
	But what has he really done for humanity?
	Seriously, name one Project Veritas reveal that has changed anything.
	One.
	Thank you.
	You can't.
	What is the one thing that Project Veritas did under O'Keefe's stewardship?
	It busted Acorn.
	That was the one thing.
	And what happened?
	Obama still was president for two terms.
	Yeah, it didn't do any good.
	Inconsequential.
	Let's talk about some more douchebags.
	So, as predicted, Substack did indeed release a social network.
	It's called Substack Notes.
	I'm sure you've been invited to it.
	No.
	You're part of, you have the Oasis.
	You're not, it's getting blocked by your email server.
	Come on.
	Maybe.
	Yeah, must be.
	So notes, notes, this is what Elon Musk accused Substack of doing is trying to scrape Twitter somehow to get accounts for their social, for their Twitter clone.
	It's not exactly a clone, I'm not sure.
	It feels like Twitter, it looks like Twitter, it's a social network like Twitter, but when you follow someone, you also get subscribed to their newsletter, which is something that I'm not interested in.
	That stinks!
	I don't know what it is, but Substack randomly subscribes you to various newsletters, you have to quit.
	It's like, why am I reading this?
	This guy sucks, he can't even write, and so you have to keep unsubscribing, and they keep doing this to me.
	No, when you unsubscribe, then they keep sending you emails.
	Well, here's another thing, since you're going to start talking about this, I will mention I did join a new social network.
	Nostril?
	No, I don't even know how to get into Nostril.
	This one is like, it's like...
	Normally I'd go into my with my finger.
	So normally I think to some of the you know the Macedon spin-offs or the like Macedon dot social and some of those many ones.
	The worst the worst sort of people.
	Yes.
	But they're all kind of a lot of them are brand name worst sort of peoples.
	Yeah.
	Tribal.
	That sounds old.
	Isn't Tribal really old?
	I don't know, but it's got the worst sort of people.
	Everybody in there is just a left-wing nutjob, although there's not like famous left-wing nutjobs, but everyone's in there.
	It's like this one guy keeps posting it.
	Every post he has, every link, whatever it is, always starts with, Republicans are rotten to the core.
	That's every post.
	Tribal, man.
	I don't think tribal... Not only that, but it's spelled weird.
	It's not spelled T-R-I-B-A-L?
	No, E-L.
	Oh, then it's something I don't know about.
	Tribel?
	Tribel.com?
	Yeah, Tribel.
	T-R-I-B-E-L.
	I don't know that it's old.
	It's new to me.
	I've never heard of it.
	No, but a tribal with an A...
	Uh-huh.
	I don't know.
	That other thing got sold.
	Gab?
	No, no, no.
	The one that Kanye was going to buy.
	Rumble?
	No, the one that Kanye was going to buy.
	Chatter?
	No, no.
	Slander?
	How many of these dumb things on there?
	You only need nostril people, that's all you need.
	And you wait, they're gonna go after that too.
	You can blow it out your nose.
	Yeah, there you go, haha.
	No, so back to Substack.
	So Substack is now, it is a Twitter clone.
	It is a social network.
	So now we have to, you know, there are rules.
	Do you know the rules?
	If you start a social network, John C. Dvorak, do you know the rules?
	Do you know what you have to have?
	You have to be kind.
	You have to be moderation.
	You need moderation.
	Moderators.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Safety team.
	Safety.
	Safety and standard.
	Oh, excuse me, before I continue.
	So, and again, we've got all these clones of my Twitter thing popping up.
	Of me, so it's like, it'll be underscore, at underscore, Adam Curry underscore.
	People like, for some reason, they love cloning you.
	Well, and, well, I think it's because I, I'm like a Bitcoin guy, and so then they'll, what they do is they copy my profile, they make a whole bunch of, they copy a lot of my posts from the past month or so, And then they start following people who follow my official profile.
	And then people go, oh, because people are surprisingly dumb.
	Oh, Adam's following me, knowing fully well that I'm not going to follow anybody.
	I don't follow many people.
	A couple hundred, which I subscribed to 15 years or 10 years ago.
	And then Adam Curry, the at underscore Adam Curry underscore starts DMing them.
	Hey, you know, this is a backup account.
	So I'm just following you to make sure that I've got all my followers.
	And, you know, would you like to buy some crypto?
	Oh, I see what you're up to.
	Yeah.
	I like it.
	It's so creative.
	It's so creative.
	It's a confidence game.
	Con game.
	And so people start telling me this and then you know and of course I'm blocked from these accounts.
	So I report the account and it used to be well they tried it again like well okay if there's impersonating you upload your government ID and I said look I've done this I'm not gonna keep uploading my government ID to you.
	No.
	This is me.
	I have 91,000 followers.
	This is me.
	This is not me, and they're copying my profile.
	And now what you get back is, now we've looked at it, this is not impersonation.
	Twitter says this is not impersonation.
	No wonder you hate Elon Musk.
	No, I don't really care.
	It's just surprising.
	Here, Twitter support.
	Impersonation of underscore at Adam Curry underscore.
	I will read it to you.
	We've investigated the reported account and determined it is not in violation of Twitter's misleading and deceptive identities policy.
	What?
	It's totally misleading.
	In order for an account to be in violation of the policy, it must portray another person or business in a misleading or deceptive manner.
	For more information, please make sure to read and understand our full policy.
	We appreciate your help, and encourage you to reach out again in the future if you see potential violations.
	Please note, any documents you may have uploaded will be deleted.
	Which I did not upload.
	So... So they didn't even do any... That's a bot!
	Yeah, a total bot.
	Yeah.
	So they don't even have the... Well, they look at the numbers.
	Oh, you're under $100,000.
	Oh, gives a shit.
	Hey, this guy's bitchin' and moanin' about being com- Let me see.
	He's a- He's a- If he had a million, yeah, maybe, but no, no, no, no.
	Screw him.
	We don't have time for this bullcrap.
	So what?
	That's what they're thinking.
	I'm being in the office, so what?
	Yeah, well, you know, I don't have a blue checkmark, so I get... Yeah, you don't have the blue checkmark, so so what?
	Sir Andrew Gardner checks in.
	I was one of those Air Force veterans that was rolling my eyes at you and John thinking a journeyman was someone knowledgeable.
	Here we go.
	This is Boots on the Ground in real time.
	The Air Force Job Codes known as Air Force Specialty Codes have a skill level signifier that uses 1, 3, 5, 7, and 9.
	I do not believe 1 is ever actually used.
	3 is someone right out of their initial technical training school and then after some tests and further learning, job specific determines how much, one gets their 5 level.
	So a journeyman is just someone that has been on the job for a little and completed the minimal task needed.
	That may be in the military.
	I was explaining journeymen in the normal world.
	It's not a slam again.
	She was explaining this kid had no business seeing anything.
	No, that's... I think we've... He doesn't know that that's what we said?
	Well, he rolled his eyes and... Hey, come on.
	Thank you is what you say.
	Thanks.
	Yeah, thanks for nothing.
	I'm trying to get to this one clip.
	Boy, you're taking forever.
	If you're Substack and you're starting a social network, well, you know, you have to talk to Nilay Patel from The Verge, and Nilay Patel is going to call you to account!
	He's going to call you on the mat, CEO guy!
	You know, Nilay Patel was on the show that Leo railroaded me into saying the moon landing was fake or that I didn't believe in it.
	I never said it was fake.
	I said, no, I have a hard time believing it.
	I have no proof that it actually happened.
	Nilay Patel was on that show.
	So I don't like him.
	Just disclosure.
	Oh, I don't like him either.
	I was in a show with him over there and he called me a racist.
	Oh, well, you could be the CEO of Substack then.
	I just want to be clear.
	If somebody shows up on Substack and says all brown people are animals and they shouldn't be allowed in America, you're going to censor that.
	So we do have a term of service that, you know, have narrowly... Please note, by the way, the so-called journalists saying, you're going to censor that, aren't you?
	Yeah.
	I love journalists who are into censorship.
	That's right.
	And he's a lawyer, too!
	To be clear, if somebody shows up on Substack and says all brown people are animals and they shouldn't be allowed in America, you're gonna censor that.
	So we do have a term of service that, you know, have narrowly prescribed, you know, things that are not allowed.
	There are extreme cases, right?
	And I'm not gonna get into, like, the... Wait, hold on.
	In America in 2023, that is not so extreme.
	Right?
	We should not allow as many brown people in the country?
	Not so extreme.
	Do you allow that on Substack?
	Would you allow that on Substack notes?
	I think the, like, the way that we think about this is we want to put the writers and the readers in charge.
	No, I really want you to answer that question.
	I'm not going to get into gotcha content moderation.
	This is not a gotcha.
	I'm a brown person.
	Do you think people on Substack should say I should get kicked out of the country?
	Yes, do you want to say something?
	I'm a brown person!
	I'm a brown person!
	He's Indian if I'm not mistaken.
	Is he Indian?
	I believe.
	Well, he could be Bangladeshi.
	He could be Pakistani.
	I'm not sure.
	I went to Jamaica.
	I'll look him up.
	I'm a brown person.
	I'm not going to get into gotcha content moderation.
	It's not a gotcha.
	I'm a brown person.
	Do you think people on Substack should say I should get kicked out of the country?
	I'm not going to engage in... I'd say yes, but not because you're a brown person.
	Do you think people on Substack should say I should get kicked out of the country?
	I'm not going to engage in content moderation questions.
	But it's the thing that you have to do, right?
	You have to make these decisions, don't you?
	Yes, there is going to be a terms of service.
	We have content policies that are deliberately tuned to allow lots of things that we disagree with, that we strongly disagree with.
	We have a strong commitment to freedom of speech, freedom of the press.
	We think these are essential ingredients in a free society.
	We think that it would be a failure for us to By the way, 30 more seconds.
	kind of network that can't support those ideals.
	And we want to design the network in a way where people are in control of their experience, where they're able to do that stuff.
	By the way, 30 more seconds, this guy is a fail.
	Oh, I agree.
	I don't know what he was thinking.
	I don't know what he was thinking in general, in today's climate with journalists.
	And you know, Twitter was the journalists owned it.
	Journalists!
	Journalists!
	We control Twitter!
	Well, I'll tell you this much.
	I'm looking at his wiki page, Nilay.
	Nilay Patel.
	If this guy's not a spook, I don't know who is.
	Oh, interesting.
	And I'll say that because he's one of those wikis where there's nothing on there.
	There's no information whatsoever.
	Just a bunch of random little things.
	You know, it's one of those, what do we do with this guy?
	I don't know.
	Oh, so he's actually vying for consultanship to help censor when he gets the information.
	That's what it sounds like.
	But this poor Chris guy, he really bit off more than he can chew with this thing.
	We're at the very early innings of that.
	We don't have all the answers for how those things will work.
	We are making a new thing, and we are, you know, literally we launched this thing one day ago.
	Oh, bad answer!
	We're going to have to figure a lot of this stuff out.
	I don't think it's... You have to figure it out.
	You have to figure out, should we allow overt racism on SubSecNet?
	You have to figure that out.
	No, I'm not going to engage in contact.
	You know this is a very bad response to this question, right?
	You're aware that you've blundered into this.
	You should just say no.
	And I'm wondering what's keeping you from just saying no.
	What a dick!
	What a dick!
	He should do a show, a podcast with Kara Swisher.
	They would be great together.
	Well, actually, if you look at the wiki page, there's a connection between the two of them.
	She did a special on him, or an article.
	Oh.
	Well, Neelay Patel, no longer managing editor of The Verge, moves to Vox.com.
	Oh, I thought he was with The Verge.
	Well, I think he's back with The Verge.
	I don't know what he is anymore.
	Now he's with, uh... Yeah, he's back with The Verge.
	Hmm.
	Well, that's interesting.
	It's hard to say.
	That's interesting.
	I'm telling you, like I said, this thing is so vague.
	This wiki page is, like, useless.
	He's a brown person posing as a journalist.
	Hmm.
	In America.
	Hmm.
	Yeah.
	And it says very carefully in black, so you can't click on it, nationality.
	What do you think his nationality is?
	Indian.
	American.
	Oh, that was my faux pas.
	Yes, of course.
	I'm sure he's American.
	No, it says right there, American.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That was me being racist, obviously.
	We don't know who his parents are.
	We don't know where he was born.
	We don't know anything.
	Which is one of those entries that is, like, problematic.
	I use the word advisedly.
	I'm going to talk to my guy.
	My guy knows.
	My guy can get to it.
	I got some Indian mafia friends.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Oh yeah.
	And they hate these kind of posers.
	They don't like these guys at all.
	And it's tech guys, too.
	Tech guys.
	Hmm, interesting.
	Well, let's just finish up the tech bashing.
	And I just want to say that John and I The reason why we scoff at these things so easily is we've been around.
	We have seen things come and go.
	We have seen the hype, the overhype, the things that just fall apart.
	I think we have.
	I mean, we don't always get it right, but at least we couch it in language like there's no evidence.
	But in general, we have seen things.
	I mean, did you ever think OS2 would work, that it would be a big seller?
	I was hoping it was.
	I had a book on it.
	Me too.
	I liked it too, but did you really think it would work?
	And it was a good product.
	But did you really think it would work?
	Well, IBM was a bunch of... Fair enough.
	See?
	Exactly.
	We know how it operates.
	IBM was not up to it.
	No.
	And then they had that moment at one of the big shows, one of the big trade shows, that they came out with a version of OS2 that was uncrashable!
	It can't be crashed!
	Was that Warp?
	OS2 Warp?
	It may have been Warp.
	I love Warp.
	Rex!
	I've got a program in Rex!
	Rex was actually a pretty good little system.
	Yes!
	It was a nice little scripting language.
	It was like a lot better than Batch.
	Or AppleScript.
	So Steve Ballmer came in with a disc, with a floppy disc, with some code on it.
	And he went into the IBM booth.
	He says, this thing won't crash, huh?
	And he says, let's see what it does with this disc.
	He sticks the disc in and it crashes.
	With a bunch of people around him so they could all write it up.
	Oh, it was journalists around him?
	Yeah, I think he made a big fuss about it, yeah.
	It was kind of the idea was, oh, it won't crash.
	Well, look, it just crashed.
	You guys suck.
	Which is funny because the original OS2 was partnered with Microsoft and they were partners for OS2 and I have a little, I still have a little pin, a lapel pin that says Microsoft OS2.
	Another collector's item that is going to go on the Etsy site for sale.
	How is that doing?
	Do you still have stuff on your Etsy site for sale?
	Well, we're trying to reincorporate new stuff.
	Oh, Jay.
	OK, you're making Jay work.
	OK, got it.
	Do I?
	Yeah.
	And she's like, oh, I hate the Etsy site.
	All right.
	Now let's talk about AI, because another day, another 20 stories about how AI is going to kill us all.
	And I'm a little tired of it, to be honest.
	By the way, just to reiterate, there's no business model for AI.
	No one wants to pay for it.
	It uses more energy than Bitcoin.
	And water, by the way.
	Molly Wood wrote about this.
	ChatGPT is consuming a staggering amount of water.
	I guess it gets to cool stuff.
	But ChatGPT really uses a lot of energy, and a lot of GPUs, and for what?
	So Deutsche Welle had a long, tedious interview with an MIT professor, Max Tegmark.
	Max Tegmark.
	And this guy was all jacked and jitty because all you hear, anyone who's in the AI space, I think Space!
	Yes.
	I think is really there.
	I mean, how many times have we seen this type of hype?
	You know what I mean?
	Oh, this is it.
	Oh, this is it.
	It's almost like we've seen the video podcast, video podcast, video podcast.
	Now we've been through this cycle.
	Podcasters will be audio podcasters.
	Video podcasters is on YouTube.
	That's just YouTube shows.
	Or Rumble or whatever.
	It's not the same thing.
	Rumble!
	Will you agree with me?
	We've seen these cycles.
	Oh, ten times over.
	Like social networks.
	I think we're kind of done now.
	You know, Facebook.
	Well, blogs.
	Remember the blog phenomenon?
	Blogs?
	Oh, everyone had to have a blog.
	It was going to free the universe.
	Everyone's going to have their own blog.
	We're going to have citizen journalists.
	Yeah, I remember that.
	Citizen journalist.
	But also, I mean, like, I've said for the past 10 years that Facebook can also go away.
	Facebook can fall out of favor.
	And to a degree, it has.
	And it fell out of favor to Instagram.
	They bought Instagram.
	And Instagram fell out of favor for TikTok.
	This is the cycle of life in technology.
	Companies don't like to go.
	So anyway, now we have this new thing, which, let's be honest, It popped up and it was like a fluke because someone started using ChatGPT and then everybody had to have ChatGPT because they know, uh oh, this is the hot new thing.
	As is witnessed by Google, who are pretty careful with how they roll products, how they roll out products.
	They have a bad track record, but they were even open about how flimsy this really was, and they come out with barf, and then the thing, you know, screws up so bad they lose a hundred billion in market cap on the first day, because people are like, oh crap, Google can't figure this out.
	So now they're throwing all kinds of money at it.
	They're rejiggering their finances to make sure that they can throw the money at it without a business model.
	So, long lead-in to this douche who's interviewing the MIT douche about ChatGPJ.
	This is not science fiction.
	Intelligence is not something... This, by the way, is a style piece.
	This is the MIT professor Max Tegmark.
	This is not science fiction.
	Intelligence is not something mysterious that can only exist in human brains.
	It's something we can also build.
	We were basically building these alien minds that are much smarter than us.
	We're gonna have to share the planet with, right?
	And the pessimism is because basically everybody who's driving the race towards this cliff is in denial about there even being a cliff.
	But they can't stop.
	No company can pause alone because they're just gonna have their lunch eaten by the competition and get killed by the shareholders.
	Lunch!
	Otherwise there might simply not be any humans on the planet at all.
	This is not an arms race, it's a suicide race.
	Billions of dollars are pouring into artificial intelligence, but are private companies putting the world in danger in a race to create better, even so-called God-like, artificial intelligence?
	Well, my guest today is Max Tegmark.
	He's a Swedish-American physicist, cosmologist, and machine learning researcher.
	He's a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the scientific director of the Foundational Questions Institute.
	Max, welcome to the show.
	I want to begin with a general question before we really launch into the specifics.
	And I'd ask you to be as brief as possible with your answer, as much as you can.
	And that question is, are a handful of companies leading us down a dangerous path?
	Yes.
	So.
	That was the punchline.
	That was his punchline.
	And then he literally stopped because of course, as I said, the interview is long and tedious.
	We don't want to hear the interview then.
	But I have one other point.
	He said yes, but he said it with a thick accent.
	Because he's a Swedish, Swedish American.
	Yes.
	But you heard him in the beginning, that's him saying, we, intelligence is not just for human beings.
	I just like to, when you talk about artificial, it's fake.
	Artificial meat, artificial leather, artificial, give me some other artificials in our life.
	Everyone understands artificial is not real, it's not the real thing.
	There is no intelligence.
	Artificial breasts.
	Thank you, artificial.
	That's not a great example, because that... I knew you'd say something, you said stop!
	That's not a great example!
	So, but now he's going to tell us why we're all gonna die, it's a suicide race, billions of dollars are being poured into it, because that's really what this is about.
	No one can stop, everybody has to participate, even though it's just, they are raising money With the suicide race thing.
	And now listen to how he justifies and tells us what we actually have achieved today.
	How much of a breakthrough are these new generative AI models like chatGBT?
	It's what looks like a breakthrough in the media is really a quite steady progress on work on AI.
	It's been happening for a long time.
	You know, in the 60s, the term artificial intelligence was coined by an MIT professor and For a long time, the people realized, man, this is much harder than we thought.
	And gradually, the list of things, though, that humans can do, the machines cannot, has gotten shorter and shorter.
	And one of the holy grails, Alan Turing famously called the Turing test, is being able to talk like a human, really master language.
	And that's the big breakthrough we've seen.
	Now, manifested in CPT-4 and tools like this.
	Thank you.
	I was hoping that you would say that is not what the Turing test is.
	Before you say anything, he works at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
	He is a professor in this field.
	He said that the Turing test was that machine that could talk.
	Yep.
	You know, like, computer, computer.
	Working, working.
	I mean, that's, you know, the Turing test is the point where you would have a exchange with a computer that you wouldn't be able to tell if it was a computer or a person.
	So I go into a chat room, and I start a chat.
	By typing, the Turing Test was not involved with talking, but it could be the same.
	It could be talking.
	And you would be chatting with it in one way or another, and you would not be able to tell under any circumstances that this was a machine.
	That's the answer.
	That is the correct answer.
	That's the Turing Test.
	That's the Turing Test.
	It's not just a machine talking.
	Working!
	Working!
	Let's just listen again to what he said here.
	For a long time and the people realize, man, this is much harder than we thought.
	And gradually, the list of things, though, that humans can do, the machines cannot, has gotten shorter and shorter.
	And one of the holy grails, Alan Turing famously called the Turing Test, is being able to talk like a human, really master language.
	And that's the big breakthrough we've seen.
	So he's saying that the big... Forget the Turing Test definition.
	He says the big breakthrough is that it can talk like a human being.
	I'm not convinced that this has been achieved.
	Oh, I'm with you on that.
	I mean, I don't know how many people are convinced.
	I'm not, it's not even close.
	I mean, I see big flowery sentences and just going on and on.
	And anyone who talks like that and be like, I don't like, I don't want to talk to you.
	You're not, you're not normal.
	But for some reason, and also, is it just talking like a human being or do you also have to make sense and be somewhat correct?
	Would that be a part of the, of the Turing test?
	Or just be able to fool someone?
	Well, the Turing test, going back to the real Turing test, that means you can't tell if it's a person or... I mean, if you could pretty suppose that the person you're talking to is a moron, I suppose the Turing test would be a lot more liberal in the way you'd interpret it.
	Can the Turing test speak multiple languages, like I can?
	That was never included in the test.
	No, but I'm just curious.
	Does the Turing test have to work in all languages?
	So it would be German.
	I would think so.
	I don't think it can do any other languages.
	Yet.
	No, but seriously, think about it.
	The internet is predominant.
	They have enough trouble translating, you know, when you go to a French translation through Google or one of these guys.
	They still, when you say, I'm going to buy some Chateau Lafite, they change it to Castle.
	Castle Lafite.
	You want to buy some Castle Lafite.
	Castle Lafootse.
	So it's like, whoa, this isn't what, even in, we call it Chateau Lafitte because that's what it is.
	It's not Castle Lafitte because that's the translation of the word chateau.
	So, I mean, they don't even know that much.
	Right.
	So, is this just a... Continue with your complaining, please.
	Well, I'm going to ask you a question.
	Would you, do you think that this is really just a Hail Mary and that the technology business He's in deep trouble, you know, a Silicon Valley bank ruined all of the, you know, all of the money went away or the scam of the venture capital scam, which now we understand how that works.
	Well, that's a cycle.
	The venture capital scam is a cycle.
	But the scam of creating money by making everybody put their money in the same bank, so basically the bank had three times the billion dollars.
	Oh, that was, you know, that was, I think that's fairly recent.
	That's pretty new.
	That's a pretty, that's a good one, but that was pretty new.
	But they need to have something.
	Yeah, they need to, right, they always need to have some gimmicky thing that gets a lot of attention.
	This happened in the 80s with the artificial intelligence bullshit.
	It happened to me.
	And the fourth generation computer.
	We had podcasts, podcasts, oh, hot, hot, hot podcasts.
	Then it was juiced.
	Oh, you gotta be like Juiced.
	Ah, Juiced.
	You keep bringing Juiced back up.
	Irritates me.
	It was like Juiced, and then you have Skype.
	Everyone has to be Skype.
	You gotta be, oh, it's gonna be IP, IP VoIP.
	VoIP, VoIP, VoIP, VoIP, VoIP.
	What other ones did we have?
	What other great SIP, S-I-P, SIP.
	My favorite.
	But more general, more general.
	Then we had social media.
	Blogging?
	Blogging, yeah for a little bit there, but blogging was more an acquisition target.
	It wasn't really something that people that VC put their money in.
	Oh, well one of the big ones right now is personal drones that you fly.
	You know, like the Jetson One and all these nutty new flying contraptions.
	Ah yes, we're going to have air taxis, air taxis everywhere.
	There must be a hundred companies.
	Well, that's another cycle that goes way back.
	Yeah, flying machines.
	It goes back to the back to the 70s.
	The first time I ran into some guy in Sacramento had this flying machine, this flying car.
	Yeah.
	And he'd go out, you know, and nothing would happen.
	He'd get some money.
	20 years later, there he was again.
	Same guy.
	As we talked about in the last show, Segway.
	The Segway was one of those things.
	It's gonna change the way we design cities.
	And they have to create their own hype.
	And they've done it.
	They've done it to a crazy degree with ChatGPT.
	To a crazy degree.
	And then, you know, I think there's no more exits in green stuff.
	Oh, the green stuff was always a disaster.
	Yeah.
	I remember Kleiner Perkins tried to do their green tech and they lost all, I think everything.
	I don't know if they had a green fund that made a nickel.
	No, they had one, but I don't think it made a nickel.
	Right.
	I think they had more than one.
	They couldn't even do the electric car right.
	They did the, what was that thing that kept catching fire?
	What was that?
	Could be any car.
	No, but they were early.
	They were early on the burning up stuff.
	There was that really expensive one.
	Fisker?
	Fisker, thank you.
	Fisker.
	Yeah.
	And then they tried the scooters.
	That was going to be another one.
	They all invested in scooters.
	Oh, they had at the Kleiner Perkins offices, they all had a Segway in their offices on a Charger.
	Remember that?
	Yeah, of course I do.
	They're all riding around.
	And then, what else?
	I mean, there was DVRs.
	That was another one.
	The one hit, the TiVo.
	TiVo?
	TiVo?
	Well, there was, I think Kleiner was into replay TV.
	Right.
	Yeah, they got the illusion.
	So there were two of them.
	There was replay TV and a replay TV guy.
	It's kind of interesting.
	I had lunch with him once.
	After he started Roku, and he's a Roku guy, and he's something of a genius.
	He's the one who really invented the idea, and I think he felt he was stiffed on the replay TV, because TiVo got all the attention, and they ended up being the big money maker, and replay TV just disappeared, and he went off.
	Because I brought something up to him, and he just turned from a nice lunch to a, like, It took him about 10 minutes for him to calm down.
	John, have you ever noticed this is kind of what you do with people?
	It's kind of what you do, I'm just saying.
	And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage in the morning.
	To you, the man who put the C in the bullcrap chat GPT, ladies and gentlemen, please say hello to my friend on the other end, Mr. John C. DeVore!
	Wow.
	In the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry.
	Also in the morning to all ships and sea boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	Yes, in the morning to the trolls in the troll room, who have been somewhat helpful today, actually.
	Let's count them real quick before they start scurrying away.
	Yeah, that's what I thought.
	$2,309.
	I think that's good for a Sunday.
	Yeah, that's good.
	It's $100 over the average.
	That's $100 over.
	$100 over.
	And only one donation segment today.
	It will be somewhat... It was short.
	Weird.
	Anyway, that's fine.
	It's value for value.
	Trolls.
	So everyone's sitting in there, scurrying away, running away.
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	Premium content.
	I love premium.
	So what you're listening to now is... Worst idea ever.
	Subpar.
	No, but you can have premium content.
	That's really what you want.
	Yeah, that's where it's going.
	The Trolls, they hang out at trollroom.io where you can listen to the show live on Thursdays and Sundays.
	That's a no-agenda stream which runs 24 hours a day.
	There's always a podcast being done live.
	It's the best podcast network in the universe.
	Again, no commercials or anything like that.
	You can log into the chat room.
	If it's a live show, you can boost along, do all kinds of fun stuff.
	You can also get this in a podcast app.
	We have redesigned podcasting with 30 new features, but the one that we love the most, because we've been doing these live shows for almost 15 years, is you get Podcast Addict, Podcast Guru, Podverse, CurioCaster, and right when you get your podcast, you can import it from your legacy podcast app.
	It works with all other old podcasts.
	When we go live, it's right there in the same app.
	You don't have to be struggling with a web page.
	You use it right in the app.
	You got the chat room and you got the stream all live.
	And that's one way you can hang out with us.
	You can also follow Adam at noagendasocial.com.
	We have a mascot on.
	We should probably get a tribal account just to be with all the hip kids.
	Actually, the tribal account I open is No Agenda Show.
	Oh, very good.
	And do you have a Discord?
	Because, you know, that's where all the 20-somethings hang out.
	Not yet.
	Okay.
	And it's John C. Dvorak at noagendasocial.com.
	That is, you know, John and I are there.
	Lots of people are there.
	Also the artists, which I wanted to talk about one of our artists in particular.
	Yeah, Roundy.
	Well, this is kind of beautiful.
	Roger Roundy.
	And he's been posting on noagendasocial.com.
	He said that he has now been hired by the Daily Caller.
	To do political illustrations, and he attributes his job, getting this job, to his work for the No Agenda Show.
	Yeah, he does.
	Then he bails out on us.
	He's not bailing.
	He quits.
	He didn't quit.
	He's still listening.
	He's still on Knowage into Social.
	We don't know that.
	He said so.
	Is it Daily Caller?
	Is that Tucker or is that Shapiro?
	Tucker.
	He said he wasn't leaving the show in any way.
	But you know what?
	No, what I said says, fuck you guys, right at the end of the note.
	John.
	John, no.
	No, you must have read.
	You're on Tribal.
	And I wanted to say that he is incorrect.
	The reason why he got this job is not because he won many different pieces of art as album art, which we see as an award for an artist.
	The reason why he got this job is because of our criticism of the things that we didn't choose of his.
	No, I agree a hundred percent.
	It was listening to the two art directors, that would be you and me as part-time art directors, listening to us go over the art and it's something that most artists never get to hear.
	That's right, you don't get criticism.
	You don't know why your art was rejected.
	Correct.
	And so, once again... I believe that what you said is true.
	We can credit another success story to us.
	Yeah, I'm in total agreement with that.
	I pat myself on the back for that.
	As well you do.
	All the time.
	We want to thank, I think brand new to the lineup, Francisco Scaramanga.
	Yeah, well he's been submitting before.
	He's been submitting, yes.
	And they're always interesting.
	Yes, and he just hasn't quite made it yet for a number of reasons.
	You'll have to go back and listen to the criticisms we had, but he was, we picked his art for episode 1546, appropriately titled Cat Hole, which the Dutch, John, I mean, you are the hero of the Dutch no agenda contingent.
	They think your translation of Kat Hoofel into Cat Hole I saw you got a postcard from Cathole.
	Yeah, I used it in the newsletter.
	There's something incredibly funny about that.
	You have to speak Dutch to understand it, but it's really, it's very well done.
	We like that.
	Well, the piece I liked in competition was the one from Nestworks.
	It could have won again with the SS Climate Change.
	It was very close.
	Yeah, it was very close.
	And actually, the SS climate change is a little more artistic, but it was less connected to the show than our Maoist theme.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And so this Scaramanga piece was just what we wanted, what the doctor ordered, and it was cute.
	And he just did a lot of stuff and he came in second like the week before with the go back with the rabbit and the Christ figure.
	That's a bit much.
	Sacrilegious as hell.
	Decided not to do that.
	Yeah.
	He said other good ideas in the past.
	I agree.
	Nestworks had the, and this is what happens sometimes.
	I mean, he had a great piece of art, but it just didn't quite fit in with the fish flopping.
	Now, other people tried Miami Fish, you know, other things, which didn't hit the mark either.
	Who was this?
	Titter, which is also Scaramanga.
	So he's been trying a couple of things.
	I kind of like Boisverts.
	Printing steak?
	Darren O'Neill had a nice printing food piece too.
	Which one was that?
	Oh yeah, I thought it was too complicated.
	It was too complicated.
	It was also small.
	You've got Gitmore 33 is the brand name of the machine.
	Too small.
	Can't see it.
	Yeah.
	Um, I don't think there was anything else that really, that really hit the mark, that even, or came close.
	You know, uh, comic strip blogger.
	No, no butt this time.
	He had an ozempic shot going to someone's belly.
	No, it was just creepy.
	Um.
	No, it was nothing.
	We had this piece, this good piece, it looks good, it worked, it worked.
	So congratulations, Francisco Scaramanga, and, oh, and you know what?
	I wanted to mention this.
	She has his own luckytownthreads.com, which is, uh, she's got, uh, she's got merch!
	He makes t-shirts with Sin City.
	What am I seeing here?
	Wax Addict.
	He's got a lot of t-shirts.
	A lot of suggestive t-shirts.
	Yes.
	Back Door Cover.
	I mean, yeah.
	Lucky Town Threads.
	I thought that was interesting.
	He definitely has artistic chops.
	He does like sports t-shirts and stuff.
	So it was kind of cool.
	And thank you very much for bringing us the artwork for episode 1546.
	That was really good.
	We thank all of our artists, of course.
	You can join their ranks of congratulating each other, which they do begrudgingly.
	Some I think are sincere, but you can see what they're like.
	That guy won again.
	But, you know, anybody can win except a comic strip blogger with his AI-generated art.
	We just, we try to catch the AI-generated stuff and we just, I just veto that.
	I don't like it.
	I want you using your Wacom tablet at all times.
	It's Wacom.
	I thought it was Wacom.
	Maybe it is.
	Okay, then don't correct me unless you're sure.
	Okay?
	I know I never corrected you.
	I said, I thought it was.
	Don't make it.
	See, this is why people get mad at you.
	You have a way.
	You have a way.
	It's amazing.
	You have a way.
	Yeah, it's called parsing.
	As part of our time, talent, and treasure, which is all we ask in return, I was explaining this to some people we're having dinner with.
	How do you do this?
	By the way, I'm looking for someone in Phoenix, Arizona who can do some audio engineering for producing a podcast.
	Email me.
	Someone wants some help.
	I said, yeah, well, you know, we've been doing this for more than 15 years.
	And I'm trying to explain time, talent, treasure.
	And it's like, it's scary for people when they think about it.
	But once you really get into it, once you do it, once you've built up your own Gitmo nation, which is not easy, takes time.
	You have to have patience.
	You have to have quality product.
	That's the key.
	There you go.
	Yes, outstanding product is a requirement.
	I mean, I listen to podcasts, not as much as you do, but I listen to a lot of them.
	And it's like, these podcasts are just two guys gassing.
	We do some of that, but we try to put real content in.
	Yes, correct.
	And I'll say that, you know, people keep telling me, oh you got to go on the Tool Boy and the Pool Boy, Pool Boy Show.
	No.
	I will say that his, and I said that twice, his culture show is actually pretty good.
	Have you seen his culture show?
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	Tim the Pool Boy?
	I know Tim the Pool Boy.
	Yeah, so he has a... Where's the beanie?
	Yes, he has another podcast where he just sits with people a la Joe Rogan.
	Then he's got good gas.
	He's a Joe Rogan clone.
	Yes, it's a Joe Rogan clone, yes.
	Which is exactly why I'll never go on it, because that would be like going on The Tonight Show and then being a whore and going on The Late Show.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	You're the Joe Rogan guy.
	You'd go on Joe Rogan's show.
	Exactly.
	I will never betray Joe Rogan.
	Never.
	But you did go on Glenn Beck.
	Yeah, not the same.
	Not the same.
	I would say Glenn Beck's in a different category.
	Yes.
	Very different category.
	In fact, I would say... Interestingly enough, when I went on Glenn Beck, Joe called me to come on like two weeks later.
	I think that was his signal to say, hey, hey, hey.
	Maybe he was telling you not to go on Beck anymore.
	I think Beck should get word of this and maybe get you back on.
	Beck has not called, so... Oh, you know who called?
	Who contacted me?
	Who wants me back on for a full hour?
	Come on.
	Reuben.
	No.
	Reuben?
	I've never been on Reuben.
	Back on.
	Oh, back on?
	Yeah.
	Oh, with Tom Wood?
	No.
	Full hour, Tom.
	Oh, I know who it is.
	Yeah?
	Kelly.
	Yeah!
	That's right.
	Megan.
	Yeah.
	I think we got one new listener from the Megyn Kelly Show.
	Yes, I think it was one.
	One.
	And I don't think it's going to go on her show again.
	It's going to be another one.
	Probably.
	I like her though.
	She doesn't have the crossover that Rogan has.
	It's a problem.
	Well, you'd hope that you could get some people to come listen to us, but I think we got one, yeah, we got one Kelly donation, Megan donation.
	And does she put a lower third on there with the No Agenda Show underneath her name?
	No.
	Yes, she did.
	I don't think so.
	Yes, she did.
	I'm pretty sure she did.
	She mentioned it.
	No, mentioning it is not the same as a lower third.
	Okay.
	Well, I think it was on the lower third.
	I will ensure it is on the lower third.
	I will have her put Adam Curry, co-host, no agenda show, Joe Rogan's boy.
	Yeah, well, if you put, I think it was maybe had, maybe it was Adam Craig Podcaster or something like that.
	Yeah, that's what you're going to get if you don't make a point of it.
	No, I always make a point of it.
	I think she had ex MTV VJ.
	Yeah, I think it was.
	I think you're right.
	Tina was mad because what was she just fangirling over MTV?
	Who cares?
	Look at all the stuff you're done.
	Look at what you're doing.
	She's right.
	Keep her nose.
	We kick off our... And by the way, these podcasts, like all of them, are supposed to be log rolling anyway.
	That's what you do.
	Log rolling?
	People don't come on the Tonight Show just because they're nice guys.
	They got a movie to plug.
	Promotion, promotion, promotion.
	It's all about promotion.
	Yes.
	And anyone who doesn't think that's true, which is, by the way, we have no guests.
	Yeah, correct.
	Oh, that's the reason.
	Well, that's one reason.
	I've got a million reasons, but that's one good reason.
	But if you're going to be on these shows that are all promotional, you're supposed to get promoted!
	Geez, what does it take?
	I agree, I agree.
	What does it take to get a drink around here?
	We kick it off with our monthly donation from one of our top donors of all time, Sironymous of Dogpatch in Lower Slobovia, comes in to save the day once again with a coded donation amount.
	Let's make sure we say it right this time, 2529.
	And this is, again, I presume, in cash with several $2 bills.
	You received it, so confirm?
	It was counted by two people to make sure it was exactly right, and it was two $2 bills and a Fiverr.
	Oh, right, so a Fiverr, and then you had a $20, and then $2,500?
	Yeah.
	Oh my god.
	Thank you, Sir Animus of Dogpatch in Lower Slobovia.
	We don't know much about him, but he does always send in a note, which is usually or always thoughtful.
	Generally.
	Yeah, and it's longer than normal this time, but here he is.
	Chag Pesach Sameach!
	Happy Easter and Ramadan Kareem to all producers!
	Religious periods are so important despite the ridiculous news cycle that has virtually eliminated their coverage and importance in the M5M.
	Particularly after our democratically elected officials and many that were not elected closed all houses of worship during the lockdown.
	They're atheists, hello?
	I encourage all to re-engage in their faith rather than permit this drivel or this drive towards a secular belief in material things.
	I'll repeat that.
	I encourage all to re-engage in their faith rather than permit this drive toward a secular belief in material things.
	Focusing on a prayerful and faithful life has its advantages.
	For those whose holiday has passed, I hope you have renewed your faith.
	John, thank you for correcting the donation amount from last month.
	Your reward?
	A railroad trip for you!
	Check out the new railroad station stamps at USPS.com.
	Although they're no match for the transcontinental railroad stamps, I suspect you will like them.
	So, is this a prize that you get, or is he telling you to go get some stamps?
	He's telling me to go get some stamps.
	He knows I was, as a kid, I was an adamant stamp collector.
	Yes.
	And I still buy a plate now and again.
	I had a penny black as a kid.
	Good for you.
	You don't even know what that is.
	No, I don't.
	It's a very, very, very famous stamp.
	Would you still have it?
	I wish.
	I think I'd trade it for an outboard motor.
	That's probably worth a million bucks by now.
	I also sold 65 Bitcoin at $900.
	There you go.
	I'm a genius.
	You should have kept that.
	No, thanks, John.
	Thanks for that tip.
	The artwork on the $2 bill I was referencing was Trumbull's depiction of the signing of the Declaration of Independence on the back of the bill as it captures all of the signers.
	Yes.
	And I have seen people who have told me that they went out and got some $2 bills.
	They liked it and they liked the $2 bill.
	No jingles but goat karma for the...
	He's funny.
	No jingles, but goat karma for the millions of goats and other animals that will be sacrificed this Eid.
	Yes, indeed.
	And as always, thank you very much, Sir Animas of Dogpatch and Lower Slobovia.
	You've got... You've got... Karma.
	Nice.
	Goat meat's delicious, by the way.
	You know, I've had bad goat meat.
	I've had... In Jamaica, I like some jerked goat meat.
	But I had a goat meat at a Mexican restaurant.
	It was nasty.
	It smelled like goat meat.
	You're not supposed to... Oh, that's no good.
	Goat meat doesn't have any... it shouldn't smell at all.
	Correct.
	Well, that's just bad goat meat.
	That was crappy goat meat.
	Yeah, but bad any meat smells is no good.
	Anything that smells like goat is generally not a good product.
	No agenda shops up next from Fayetteville, Georgia.
	60825.
	This is the latest share of the NOAA, 60825.
	This is the latest share of the NOAA Agenda Shop Profits.
	Sorry for the lack of updates recently.
	We've been putting our NOAA Agenda education to use, launching a personal podcast at stillchillin.com.
	Any positive karma would be greatly appreciated.
	We'll give him some karma.
	Go podcasting!
	I haven't had the GoPodcasting thing on this show in a long time.
	I have to thank him, our guy there at NoAgendaShop.com.
	Do you remember what that GoPodcasting is from?
	Do you remember?
	Yeah, you were at one of the few events you'd gone to that was a podcasting event.
	You gave a speech.
	And then you dropped the microphone and said, go podcasting.
	You told me, you told me before I went there.
	I said, when you're done, you just, you should just, just yell, go podcasting!
	I did.
	Yeah, I know.
	Go podcasting!
	And you dropped, okay, dropped the mic after, obviously.
	Yeah.
	So I wanted to thank our guy over there because I ordered six t-shirts, six of the, are you familiar with the band Mercy Me?
	Ever heard of them?
	No I'm not.
	They had a huge hit a couple of years ago.
	I can only imagine, like triple platinum.
	And they're playing in San Antonio tonight.
	Turns out they are huge No Agenda fans.
	No, this reminds me of our Weezer drummer.
	Yeah, I don't know where... What happened to him?
	He's not a huge No Agenda fan like Mercy Me.
	In fact, they did a movie about this band with Dennis Quaid, played the guy's dad, Bart's dad.
	So I said, yeah, we'd love for you and Tina to come.
	Come on, come on down, you know, backstage, park next to the bus.
	And so I said, yeah, let's order some t-shirts.
	T-shirt drive?
	Yeah, well we have to boogie right after the show.
	Oh, it's gonna be today?
	The concert's tonight?
	Tonight, yeah, I'm taking the t-shirts tonight.
	And so our No Agenda Shop guy, he made sure he got the t-shirts to us in time, threw in a couple extra ones.
	Super, super.
	Thank you very much.
	Oh, and I need to give the karma.
	There we go.
	Karma, as requested.
	You've got karma.
	Sir Donnock is from Raritan, New Jersey.
	I've been there.
	580.08, so it's boobs backwards.
	Nice.
	And he says, a split switcheroo.
	Ah, it's gonna be complicated.
	Sir Donnock of the Raritan Valley here, fresh out of the 732 meetup.
	Oh, that was the one with Sir Daniels.
	My deepest apologies for my lame accent during the subsequent meetup report.
	I'll be playing that in a bit.
	That being said, I want to take a new friend halfway there.
	Got it, man.
	We'll put karaoke as a switcheroo for you.
	to karaoke the remaining boob donation is for Rick the hidden host of our amazing meetup stay strong stay safe stay safe and stay lit got it man I will put karaoke as a switcheroo for you thank you very much I'm gonna read the next two starting with Barry Grawl in Franklin Tennessee 500 500 bucks.
	Nice.
	No note.
	Double up karma for him.
	You've got karma.
	And then there's Sir Scovey of Charlotte, North Carolina.
	He's also Sir Scovey Earl of the Piedmont.
	No note.
	Ah, people.
	And that's 333.33 to give him a double.
	33.33. And we... To give him a double.
	Yes.
	You've got...
	Double up.
	And a reminder that if you can't fit the note into PayPal, which you should be able to, or for some reason you feel compelled to send the note, send it to notes at noagendashow.net.
	Exactly.
	And Anonymous from Aurora, Colorado sent 333.13.
	And Seb says, jingles in the morning Mexican, Spanish perhaps, and R2D2 karma, MJMK back in MX, IVF baby making karma, and new consulting practice karma from Anonymous, driver of the gap.
	You got it, no problem.
	You've got it.
	Ashley Corrales in Needville, Texas.
	What a name for a town.
	Needville.
	Must be Democrats.
	333.
	And she writes, love listening to the both of you.
	Thank you for all your hard work.
	Thank you.
	You're welcome.
	Very much so.
	Next is Ryan George from Crest Hill, Illinois, 333.
	Thank you.
	I'd like to make a switcheroo donation for my smoking hot girlfriend, Danielle Dougherty.
	All right, hold on a second.
	So, Danielle Dougherty.
	I'm doing this on the fly because, you know, we get the spreadsheet On the day of the show.
	Everything's last second.
	It is.
	Because we do everything to the minute.
	Yeah.
	Our show's up to date.
	Correct.
	We're in a very small town with a trans epidemic.
	Wow.
	In Crest Hill, Illinois.
	Illinois.
	Crest Hill, Illinois.
	Yeah.
	I just wanted to say.
	It's everywhere.
	I have received notes from multiple producers who have this happening in their family.
	The trans Maoism is taking hold.
	So we're in a very... And a lot of this, just like the girls who have tics on Instagram mainly, all of a sudden they have Tourette's, which, it's contagion.
	It's not really Tourette's.
	Take it from a Tourette's guy.
	This is contagion.
	These girls, they all get the same Tourette's.
	Contagion is like when someone pukes, everyone else has to puke.
	It's that kind of... It's called mass hysteria.
	Thank you.
	Mass hysteria.
	There you go.
	Not always, of course.
	Not always.
	There are exceptions.
	But clearly something's going on.
	We're in a very small town with a trans epidemic.
	I hope I don't get shivved.
	God.
	Can I get a de-douching and a gay frogs?
	Keep up the good work.
	You've been de-douched.
	I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the friggin frogs gay!
	There you go.
	Then we go to Associate Executive Producer, starting with Brian McDonough in Coppell, Texas.
	And his 253 is in honor of his Human Resources winning score, which is 253 I assume, in the match of last week's PBA tournament in Houston.
	No.
	What's his name?
	No, the name of the bowler.
	Well, his socials are Bowling Brady, I think.
	Brady.
	Bowling Brady.
	Bowling Brady 300.
	So he is the youngest ever PBA champion at 15?
	Yeah.
	Holy moly.
	You know you used to be a pro bowler, right?
	No, I was an NCAA college bowler.
	It's the best I got.
	But my doubles partner, which we won the intramural championship with at the University of California, went on to become a pro.
	He carried me.
	Believe me.
	He went on to become a pro and won a number of tournaments.
	Wow.
	And now he still teaches bowling in Rich Karuba.
	I love that we have Ashley, is it Ashley?
	The Formula Toyota racer.
	She's also very young.
	And I think we'll have no agenda on her car this season.
	Then we have Bowling Brady 300, youngest ever PBA champion.
	That's astonishing, by the way.
	Yeah, all the cool kids hang with no agenda.
	He must have a, we don't know, they listen to the show, but he must have one hell of a shot.
	All right.
	He probably has thrown a 300, too.
	Onward!
	Central Jersey 732 Meetup in Parland, New Jersey.
	RoaDuck, short one, 222.
	Switcheroo, this is the winner of the Coaster Raffle, where you get a coaster and a chance to win a raffle for donating for the Central Jersey 732 Meetup!
	And the winner is Rob Diggle!
	Rob Diggle, all right.
	Rob Diggle, that's the name.
	All credits go to Rob Diggle, so consider that done.
	You got it.
	Thank you very much.
	Joseph Terry in White, Georgia is up next, and he came in with just a flat 200 bucks and said, John, I'm sorry I'm late to the party.
	Happy belated birthday.
	May you have many sweet returns.
	Joe Terry in White, Georgia.
	Sean Olsen is in San Pedro, California and wants some jingles.
	Can you see that juice?
	That's not a great question.
	And Goat Karma.
	Hello!
	Oh, this is from Flight of the No Agenda meetup in Riverside, California.
	Also have a meetup report from them as well.
	I can't believe I was on the same side of an argument as Lady G!
	Oops.
	As Lady G. Well, no more.
	Thanks for clearing up how silly... That's Lindsey Graham.
	Thanks for clearing up how silly that is.
	I can't believe he said he's pro-China, pro-one China, but will also defend Taiwan.
	What a stooge.
	Also, thank you for the coverage on the destabilizing trans movement.
	I know we don't want churches to be politicized, but I think more should be speaking out against this movement, the trans Maoist movement, I think is what we should call it specifically.
	That's a little more detailed and accurate.
	And yes, we've got the jingles for you.
	Oh my gosh!
	Can you see that juice?
	Great question.
	That's not a great question!
	Now this next note, you and I have not discussed this, but I would recommend that there's a lot of medical and personal information here.
	I've already done this.
	Okay, good.
	In this regard, we think alike.
	Yes.
	So this is an anonymous donation, $200.
	And a very long note, I'm only going to read the beginning of it and the very end.
	We probably had the same idea, yes.
	There's too much...
	Details on things that are very personal, for an anonymous note.
	I was just listening to Adam discussing the thoughts on the Dylan Bud Light issue, and I had to write before Adam spoke the words.
	I was thinking to myself, if Budweiser Marketing wanted nothing to do with us, could they even say so?
	Or to do anything to do with this, could they even say so?
	Well, they kind of did.
	I've been trying to discuss injuries from childhood vaccines for two decades and it's been a nightmare.
	It would be an understatement.
	The censorship alone has been terrifying.
	I could go on for pages but I won't.
	Briefly, I've been arrested in a mall because the owner didn't like my sign.
	I've been lied to and censored and threatened with arrest by the local chapter head of a well-known autism support group.
	And then she goes on with more details and none of it good.
	And so I'm just going to go to the end because it's a pretty long note.
	My ex told me years ago, you'll shut up if you know what's good for your family.
	Damn it, I hate to say it, but he was right.
	Yeah, I think the trans thing is a perverted fad.
	There are perverted media pushes.
	I also think it's atrogenic, which means doctors cause it.
	I don't have reams of evidence like I do for the VAX autism link, but my gut feeling they're trying to desperately to normalize it the same as they did for autism.
	I know this is long, but it made me feel so much better to hear it read on your show.
	Please keep me anonymous.
	Thanks for all you do.
	Sincerely.
	Yes, thank you.
	And then we have you in our thoughts.
	Because it seems like you got a lot of... a bum ride on a lot of things.
	Would that be the right way to say it?
	Bum ride.
	Real bum ride.
	Bum ride.
	And thank you so much for supporting the show at the same time.
	And that does wrap up our Executive and Associate Executive Producers for episode 14, uh, 1547.
	We're going to continue all the way through since it was a pretty short list down to the 50s.
	And then we've got, we've got a nighting to do, some birthdays and some meetups, John?
	Let's go down to the rest of these, starting with Anonymous at $167.10, and another Anonymous at $151.42.
	May I just say something here?
	These are orange because these were Bitcoin donations?
	Yeah, I would like to know where that money's going, because I don't see it in the bank account.
	It should be in the bank account.
	I haven't seen a nickel of it in the bank.
	We'll check, because it all comes in at midnight, it's all swept into the bank account.
	You've seen no transfers?
	I have not seen one.
	Okay, but we'll make sure.
	I may have seen one.
	Yeah, well that was... It comes under the cloud something or other.
	Yeah, I think that's what it is.
	So a reminder, if you're going to pay that way, you got to put your name in the note.
	Otherwise, you get this, anonymous.
	So thank you very much to both of you.
	The second one with 151.42 says he's a douchebag.
	No jingles, no car.
	Okay.
	You're a douchebag.
	Allison comes in with 150.
	And this was done as a straight-up bank transfer.
	And did this come in?
	You saw that came in?
	Yeah, that came in as a bank transfer, as a swift bank transfer.
	She's in Taiwan or someplace, and she had to do it that way.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	And she says, old-fashioned bank transfers, been completed.
	And I did see that come in.
	Lucas Williams in Roswell, New Mexico, $100.
	Teresa Marson in Plymouth, Michigan, $100.
	Kevin McLaughlin, 8008, up in Locust, North Carolina.
	On a run.
	Yeah.
	Greg Mellon in Glenmore, Pennsylvania.
	$71.47.
	Happy birthday, John.
	Josh Buford is also a happy birthday.
	He has $71 in Midlothian, Virginia.
	Jacob Alley in Wichita, Kansas.
	$55.33.
	She's got a birthday wish for her husband.
	Happy birthday to my human resource.
	I'm sorry, it's a guy and me.
	Jacob, okay.
	There's no husband involved.
	John Tucker in Omaha, Nebraska, 5510.
	Great stories, Grandpa John, he writes.
	James Edmondson in South Plainfield, New Jersey.
	Double nickels on the dime.
	Richard Futter in UK, London, 5510.
	David Kekta in Santan Valley, Arizona.
	He's a rural carrier, which reminds me.
	I have a clip about that later.
	I okay good because I have some I've given going back and forth with a guy who's a union steward and he says the problem with by the way David needs a de-douching.
	Let's do that first.
	You've been de-douched.
	He also needs to call out Mac Clan as a douchebag.
	Douchebag!
	73 N7 DRK.
	He says that there's two unions.
	He says the union for the rural carriers is not the same as the losers.
	That are the city carriers who've got a lousy union, and they're the ones getting the most screwed by everything, and he says we're unfortunately mixing up our details as we try to deconstruct what's going on with the Postal Service.
	So we should at least know that much.
	All right.
	And he seems to be, and he is a steward, a shop steward.
	That's a big deal if you're in the union.
	Shelby Losey in Rapid City, South Dakota, 50-37, happy birthday to her smoking hot husband.
	Barron, Sir Economic Hitman in Tombow, Texas, $50.01.
	Now we have $50 donors, name and location.
	Kevin Dills, Sir Kevin in Huntersville, North Carolina.
	Christian Freeman in San Marcos, Texas.
	Titus Chow in Houston, Texas.
	Easy Landscapes in North Stonington, Connecticut.
	I love guys who do that.
	Michael Thompson in New Brownsville, Texas.
	A lot of Texans today in the $50 donor race.
	Philip Ballou, Louisville, Kentucky.
	Chris Lewinsky, Sir Chris up in Sherwood Park, Alberta.
	Kelly McDill in Mission Hills, Kansas.
	Big Papa Productions, Inc.
	In Minneapolis, Minnesota.
	Timothy Moore in Arlington, Texas.
	And Corey Katzen, Cave Creek, Arizona.
	That is our list of Associate Executive Producers, Executive Producers, and plain old donators to the No Agenda Show 1547.
	Thank you all very much for supporting us, especially our execs and associate executive producers, and people under $50 who do that for reasons of anonymity, but also because they're on those sustaining donations, which do help out.
	Those are little recurring payments you can make.
	There's many, many versions.
	You can make one up yourself.
	You can find out about them here.
	Dvorak.org slash N.A.
	And especially associates and our execs.
	Those are titles you keep forever.
	Congratulations.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Shut up, flame.
	Shut up, flame.
	It's your birthday, birthday.
	I don't know what you want.
	Yes, here is our birthday list.
	We got Sir Andy of Terrigal Beach and Dame Kylie of the Double D Cups wishing their beautiful daughter Lucilla Cantrell a happy birthday.
	She turns 15 tomorrow.
	Shelby Lowe's wishes her spoken hot husband Justin Lowe the happy birthday.
	37 today.
	Daniel... Did I say Cantrell on the... She celebrates today.
	I'm sorry.
	Daniel Papuga turning 38 tomorrow.
	There we go.
	Kirkus Maximus celebrating on the 18th.
	Theresa Marston wishes Uh, her Josh Clines, her son Josh Clines, a happy birthday.
	That'll be on the 21st.
	Jacob Alley celebrates and Jacob Alley wishes his human resource, Kamo Bostic, a happy birthday.
	And we say happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe.
	Before I go to our knighting, we have a note from our knight, Tim Moore, who says, In the morning I'm requesting a bladed knighthood after finishing the layaway program last May.
	It took me a year to decide on my knight name and round table selection, which is why I'm only just now sending this note.
	So, just so you know.
	You can achieve knighthood with these layaways, and it can take a long time, but it does happen.
	Please knight me Sir Tim of the Tarrant Swamplands, and I'll have Glen Fittich and fried bologna sandwiches at the round table.
	Yes, breakfast of champions.
	No jingles, no karma, thanks for all you do.
	Sincerely, Sir Tim.
	Well, about to be Sir Tim, as we get our blades out, John, for this single knight.
	Here it is.
	There we go.
	Alright, Tim Moore, step on up!
	Thank you very much for your layaway program, Knighthood.
	It's just as valid as any other one, and I'm very proud to pronounce the K.D.
	today as... Sir Tim of the Tarrant Swamplands.
	And for you, Sir Tim, we got hookers and blow, rent boys and chardonnay, and by request, glenfiddich and fried bologna sandwiches right here at the round table.
	Look at them.
	Smells great.
	Fish pie and fellatio if you want it.
	We got harlots and haldol.
	More goodies for you.
	Beers and blunts.
	We got Rubenesque women and rosé.
	Gases and sake.
	Vodka and vanilla.
	Bong hits and bourbon.
	Sparkling cider and escorts, ginger ale and gerbils.
	We got breast milk and pavlum.
	We got some diet soda and video games.
	Polish potato vodka.
	But maybe you just want the mutton and meat.
	Everybody seems to love it.
	Sir Tim, drink up on that along with your glenfiddich and your bologna sandwich.
	And head over to noagenderrings.com where you can select your ring size and send that to us.
	Tell us where to send it.
	Anybody can look at noagenderrings.com.
	You can look at that with envy.
	Envy, because the only way you can get is become a knight or a dame of the No Agenda Roundtable.
	And thank you so much for supporting your No Agenda show.
	No Agenda Meetups.
	After I blew our friends away last night at dinner about our value for value model, and then I said, oh, yeah, by the way, we have these meetups.
	Meetups?
	I said, yeah, these meetups, they're self-organizing.
	Everyone goes to noagendameetups.com.
	All over the world, people get together, groups of five, groups of 50.
	We're expecting quite a big one tomorrow as Tina the Keeper and I will be flying to Nashville for the, this is a do-over.
	Since I had COVID last year, not that it mattered that much, but no one wanted me around.
	This will be the Tax Day Family Skating Meetup at Rivergate Skate Center in Madison, Tennessee.
	The Duke of the South, Sir Patrick Coble, is organizing that and we're looking forward to seeing everybody.
	Before we get to the rest of our meetups, let's have a couple reports.
	Here's Flight of the No Agenda.
	I think it was number 40 at this point.
	Hey, Adam Ville, over here at the meetup, Flight of the No Agenda.
	Get me an F cancer out there.
	My wife starts treatment on the 17th.
	We love the last episode, every episode, but it was fantastic.
	We'll talk to you in the morning.
	In the morning, it's Steve.
	Hey, I'm not being triggered or held to blame.
	In the morning, Jesse here at the meetup.
	No longer a douchebag.
	Hey, shake that rain stick like a man.
	We need some more rain down here.
	All right, by request.
	You've got karma.
	Now we go to the Knowage in the 732 Central Jersey Meetup Report.
	This is Sir R. Daniels at the 732 Central Jersey Meetup at the Garden State Distillery in Tom's River.
	Be brave.
	Do something.
	Thank you for keeping us informed and inspired.
	And by the way, I checked with Dan.
	He's doing okay.
	In the morning, this is Mappy.
	Thank you guys for your courage.
	In the morning to John and Adam.
	This is Rob.
	Hope you're having a fantastic springtime.
	Watch out for those allergies.
	In the morning, this is Karaoke, who's feeling a little loopy, from Seaweed and Oyster Vodka.
	Craykosha, newbie, happy to be here.
	Kali Hotchkiss, it's always great to get together.
	In the morning, Rob here, had a great time, thank you Dan for hosting us.
	Hi mate, this is Sir Donick of the Raritan Valley, just saying, hey, keep it up, eh?
	This is Dave, and all my graphs are hockey sticks.
	And finally, this is Sir Nobody, with no clue what's going on.
	In the morning!
	Okay, so now I know what that accent was.
	I got one of them there, okay.
	Thank you very much.
	South Jersey, exit 103, Toms River.
	Sir Spencer, Kansas City, meet up.
	Meet a little promo for us.
	In Kansas City, we're known for our traditions.
	Bebop jazz.
	Hundreds of fountains.
	And above all else, barbecue.
	Join us for our Smokin' Hot Spring Barbecue this Sunday, April 23rd at 333 at Electric Park in Lenexa.
	Get all the details and RSVP at noagendameetups.com.
	It's like a party.
	Kansas City style.
	By now, I think the Friends of Freedom meetup at Glover Park Brewery in Marietta, Georgia is probably winding down.
	They start at 1.30 this afternoon.
	Crossroads of America, the No Agenda Tribal Meetup, Spirit Distillation in Westfield, Indiana, Mash House at the West Fork Whiskey Company.
	That is about an hour underway, so you can join them there if you want.
	Indiana's a big meetup state.
	Impromptu Utah Valley Meetup, 3 o'clock, just getting underway at Strap Tank Brewery in Springville, Utah.
	We have the I Can't Believe It's Not Thousands of Sealed Indictments Meetup, 4 o'clock, in Jefferson, Texas.
	So that's in a private home, so you need to get that off of knowagentomeetups.com and hurry up, because it starts in about 10 minutes.
	On Monday, Tax Day Family Skating Meetup, talked about earlier, 6 o'clock at Rivergate Skate Central, Madison, Tennessee.
	Adam and the keeper, Curry and the keeper will be there.
	Looking forward to it.
	All the No Agenda people out there.
	This'll be fun.
	And I'm not going to be roller skating, because I don't need that.
	We know what will happen.
	On Wednesday, the Red Pillar Club 33 meet-up, 6.33 at Ziano's Italian Eatery, DuPont Road in Fort Wayne, Indiana.
	Those guys are nuts, hooey-hooey organizers.
	And on the next show day, Thursday, 4.20.
	Ah!
	Remember, John, 4.20.
	Donation Day, write it down, 420.
	420!
	420!
	Born Day to Be Me, Darius Unity, 2 o'clock at the Nation Mall, Washington, D.C.
	Ah, Spook Meetup!
	Also on 420, Sanity Brigade, Thursday, 5 o'clock at Selkirk Abbey in Post Falls, Idaho.
	And we have the Virginia, Maryland, West Virginia Tri-State Meetup at 6 o'clock.
	Also on Thursday, the Union Jack Pub and Restaurant in Winchester, Virginia.
	And finally, for this list on Thursday, Charlotte's Thirsty Third Thursday, 7 o'clock, Ed's Tavern, Charlotte, North Carolina, as always.
	No Agenda Meetups.
	Connection is protection.
	This is where you find your community.
	Your community is No Agenda.
	And you can find all these meetups at noagendameetups.com.
	If you can't find one near you, start one yourself.
	It's easy!
	Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days.
	Man, I have no ISOs.
	What?
	I know, I realize all of a sudden.
	I have no ISO.
	Do you have an ISO?
	I have a good one.
	It feels the same.
	It's like a party.
	Man, I have no ISOs.
	What?
	I know.
	I realize all of a sudden I have no ISO.
	Do you have an ISO?
	I have a good one.
	Well, thank goodness.
	It's the only one you have.
	I only have one and it's a... It's a slammer.
	It was done with a producer friend.
	Oh!
	He found it on the King of the Hill Show.
	What the hell was that?!
	It'll have to do, it's not bad.
	It's not bad.
	It's not bad.
	Uh, I promised I'd play the, uh, the clip.
	Where's my clip here?
	About the, uh, hmm, about USPS.
	Ah, here it is, from ABC.
	Gerald Groff spent years delivering the mail during the week.
	And worshipping faithfully on Sundays.
	That is, until 2015, when Amazon contracted with the Postal Service to deliver packages.
	They began to ask people of my position to deliver on Sundays or holidays.
	And I told them I'm not going to be able to work on the Lord's Day at all.
	At first, the Postmaster accommodated Groff, but a year later, his boss said things had changed.
	She said that basically you're going to have to find another job where you're going to work Sundays this time.
	Unwilling to compromise his faith, Groff transferred to a post office nearby, one that had just four carriers and still did not deliver on Sundays.
	But as demand for Amazon delivery soared, Groff eventually could not avoid Sunday assignments, shifts he chose to skip 24 times over two years.
	Groff resigned in 2019 and sued.
	Federal law requires employers to accommodate the religious beliefs of workers unless it would pose an undue hardship on business.
	The Postal Service and two lower federal courts say Groff's refusal to work Sundays was clearly a hardship.
	Groff, who now works in the mailroom at a private retirement community, wants the Supreme Court to force employers to be more accommodating of the religious beliefs of workers.
	But Rachel Lazar with Americans United for Separation of Church and State says the impact could be sweeping.
	This case opens the floodgates to every employee in the workforce being forced To carry the burden of someone else's religious practices whether it's in a pharmacy context asking to not fill birth control prescriptions or in a workplace asking to have the right to discriminate against LGBTQ people.
	Oh yeah!
	I thought that was funny more than interesting.
	Not so legalistic.
	That doesn't sound right.
	The whole story.
	Not so legalistic about these things.
	But this is because of the contracting of USPS for Amazon packages, etc.
	This is what It's part of an IT problem with scanners.
	into a tailspin as we've received note after note because they're now asked to work six, seven days.
	They're not getting the bonuses they thought they were getting.
	It's part of an IT problem with scanners.
	And you spoke to a union person?
	I'm going to read some of his notes in the next couple of shows. - Yes.
	Yes, but he made it clear, and I think this situation is, that the union representing this guy who's bitching, obviously, I mean, it's a union thing.
	If there's a union involved, you just can't make people all of a sudden have to work on Sunday.
	It's not in the union contract.
	It's not in the contract that you can do this.
	You can't just change the rules.
	If there's a union, that's a real union.
	So there's something fishy about that story and I hope to clear it up.
	To debunk it!
	Prebunk it!
	Now I have a couple of leftovers if you want to hear them.
	There's a world, how about a world story?
	How about let's at least get this into our show which is the Sudan situation.
	This is crazy.
	At least 25 people have been killed and hundreds injured after fighting erupted this weekend across Sudan's capital of Khartoum.
	The fighting is between Sudan's army and the powerful paramilitary rapid support forces known as RSF.
	The conflict, which is unfolding in Khartoum and other cities, has been roundly condemned by the international community, but it is continuing, as NPR's Emmanuel Akinwatu reports.
	A power struggle between the RSF and Sudan's army has turned parts of the country into a battlefield.
	After months of rising tensions, people in Sudan's capital Khartoum walked to gunshots and fierce fighting on Saturday, continuing into the night.
	Both forces have accused each other of instigating the ongoing fighting, which has seen civilians scrambling for shelter and open conflict in residential and commercial areas.
	The battles follow a bitter dispute between the military and the RSF on who will lead during the country's fragile transition to democracy that now appears in jeopardy.
	So, I've been looking at the story and some of the military contacts have sent me some videos of stuff going on, which immediately makes me wonder, who is really fighting here?
	What's really going on?
	Is it us with someone else?
	I mean, there's clearly something messed up here.
	Well, this country is in the West Clark 7 and it's never been taken over.
	Oh, good point!
	Sudan is in the West Clark 7?
	Yeah, you want to play it?
	Yeah, hold on a second.
	Ah, hold on.
	Wes Clark.
	Here we go, Wes Clark 7.
	So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan.
	I said, are we still going to war with Iraq?
	And he said, oh, it's worse than that.
	He said, he reached over on his desk, he picked up a piece of paper, he said, I just, he said, I just got this down from upstairs meeting the Secretary of Defense's office today.
	And he said, this is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries In five years.
	Starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran.
	Wow, good call!
	Huh.
	Well his five year plan of theirs was a little off.
	Has it been 20 years since he did that little spiel?
	2001, yeah, more than 20 years.
	But still, okay, sometimes they got some other ones there.
	We got Libya, we did that one.
	We got Somalia.
	We got some goodies in there.
	Wow.
	Okay, well, so yeah, I presume we're involved in that.
	I think so.
	That's horrible.
	Well, then maybe this other world story, since you will not see, and even this report from France 24, will not show you the rioting in France and people's heads being busted open.
	I mean, now they're really fighting.
	Now it's not funny.
	But you won't see that in this report.
	Just hours after the Constitutional Council gave his bill the green light on Friday evening, President Macron signed his controversial pension reform into law.
	Opposition parties denounced the council's decision to approve a bill that is widely rejected by the public.
	We are in an impasse in which they have put us in.
	And this is not this decision of the Constitutional Council that will change the mind of an entire people who are determined not to let this pension reform pass.
	The council rejected some measures in the pension bill, but the raising of the retirement age from 62 to 64 has always been the cornerstone of the reform.
	The government says that the reforms will be implemented on the 1st of September.
	According to the prime minister, there were no winners on Friday.
	The constitutional council has ruled that the reform was in line with our constitution.
	The bill has reached the end of its democratic process.
	I like that.
	It's reached the end of his democratic process, which was not democratic at all.
	Well, you know, this is interesting because at least from what I can tell, looking into this, Macron, when he ran for the job, he ran on the platform that he was going to do this.
	So he was democratically elected for the purposes of changing this and now all of a sudden everyone's bent out of shape?
	This is very suspicious.
	Well, then he can get... One other thing I've heard?
	Jens Stoltenberg is out at the end of this year?
	I think it's his term.
	Do you know who is now being whispered around Brussels as his replacement?
	Uh...
	Queen Ursula?
	Yes!
	Nailed it!
	No!
	Yes!
	I just guessed that!
	Well it makes sense because you know the Pfizer text messages and you know so much she's looking a little ragged too much controversy she's tainted as you know and maybe France Timmermans my guy can become the new queen over there huh and she can become the new NATO chief they're talking about that be I I think she'd be perfect for that Oh, God.
	Yes!
	Don't you think she'd be great?
	She looks like a type.
	Anyway, I got one last clip.
	Let me finish.
	Oh, you got more?
	Yeah, I was going to do this one because I've had this on my list for weeks, weeks.
	We have not talked about it.
	Finally, there was a, I think it was a CNBC interview with Jamie Dimon about this lawsuit, this Epstein lawsuit.
	Which is taking place in the U.S.
	Virgin Islands, and here's a short, very short interview about it.
	Client of yours, and that is Jeffrey Epstein.
	Steve Morgan's being sued now by the U.S.
	Virgin Islands.
	They're alleging that your bank helped facilitate payments to Epstein's victims and benefited from human trafficking while ignoring warnings.
	Do those allegations have merit?
	I cannot talk about current litigation except to say that whenever these things come up, we have some of the best lawyers in the world, compliance out of the DOJ, out of SEC enforcement divisions, who review all of these things and make decisions at the time based on what they know, as best as they know.
	You're going to be deposed, we've learned now, in this case, in the spring.
	In retrospect, Jamie, do you think JP Morgan should have acted more quickly after Epstein pleaded guilty to one of these charges in 2008?
	Because he was your client for five more years.
	Hindsight is a fabulous gift.
	What I like about this clip is that he just says, hey, we've got the best, we hire all the best people right out of the government agencies.
	After they did all our bidding, we give them great jobs here.
	And they're the best people.
	We got all the best people.
	Yeah.
	It's so sick.
	Yeah, it's actually what he did there was also send the message out.
	You know, you give us a little slack here, you're gonna get paid, you're gonna get repaid, don't worry about it.
	You're gonna get your money.
	You'll be fine, you'll be good.
	You'll get your kickback, don't worry about it.
	It's all good.
	All right, last clip for you.
	All right.
	This is a Biden clip.
	Here's Biden mumbling something about something and he's going to lick the world.
	There's nothing our nations can't achieve if we do it together.
	I really mean it.
	So thank you all.
	God bless you all.
	Let's go lick the world.
	go late and lick the world.
	He really did say lick the world, didn't he?
	Yeah.
	Let's go lick the world.
	Let's get it done.
	Let's go lick it.
	Oh, man.
	Yeah, let's go lick the world.
	That is beautiful.
	Thanks, John.
	That's something I can never unhear now.
	That's perfect.
	Perfect.
	Alright everybody, that is your deconstruction for today.
	Make sure you send in those boots on the ground reports.
	We appreciate that.
	Also, remember that we'll be here on Thursday.
	And I will have a... 420!
	That's 420!
	I will have a detailed report from the meetup in Nashville.
	Very excited about going there.
	Should be a good one.
	Coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA Region No.
	6.
	In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley where I remain, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We return on Thursday.
	Please remember us at dvorak.org.na because it's 4-20 on Thursday.
	Do we need to say it any longer?
	End of show mixes, we've got Sean O, we've got Jesse Coy Nelson, and Danny Luce with a classic whoopee.
	And up next, DH Unplugged, the most recent episode on your No Agenda stream.
	Stay tuned at TrollRoom.io or NoAgendaStream.com.
	Until Thursday, adios mofosa, hooey, hooey, and such.
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	There aren't cis kids.
	Cisness is the delusion.
	Cisness is the lie.
	You force it on them.
	Transness is what we actually are.
	We are fluid.
	I really don't know what all that means.
	We are God.
	God is change.
	God is trans.
	The Lord rebukes you, Satan.
	God is trans.
	The Lord rebuke you, Satan, and all of your demons and all of your imps.
	We're saying, be whatever you are, baby.
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	I would be willing to fight for Taiwan.
	I didn't go to the lengths of setting up a private server in here.
	Now that's classified!
	The Nazi Waterman. Classified.
	Person.
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	My enemy has been secretary.
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