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	Oh, a webinar!
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Sunday, July 19th, 2020.
	This is your award, Whitney Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 1261.
	This is no agenda.
	LMMO and broadcasting live from Opportunity Zone 33 here at the frontier of Austin, Texas, capital of the drone star state.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, LSMFT, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	Wait a minute, are we the two hippest guys on the planet?
	Do we have new acronyms?
	Lucky Strike means fine tobacco.
	Oh, L-M-M-O, laughing my mask off.
	Come on now, come on now.
	It's a good one.
	Yeah, yeah, it's one for the books, one for the books.
	I'm in.
	Well, welcome to one of the epicenters of the surge.
	Where everything's spiking.
	Well, you're the second...
	Would it be penultimate epicenter?
	Second.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Well, of course, we just visited the actual epicenter in Florida and didn't die there either.
	So we're still hanging in.
	We're hopeful we'll get through this.
	Our governor has said that, don't have to worry, we're not going to lock down, which kind of threw some...
	Some sand in the eyes of our local mayor who had been using this to threaten everybody.
	The next two weeks will be the most important.
	We have too many cases.
	It's going out of control.
	And then we had the best fear porn ever come across the transom on Friday.
	85 infants have tested positive for coronavirus in Nueces County, which includes Corpus Christi.
	The public health director made that announcement this week and urged residents to wear masks and practice social distancing.
	These babies have not even had their first birthday yet.
	Please help us to stop the spread of this disease.
	No other details were provided on the condition of those infants, but Corpus Christi currently has 82 deaths linked to the virus.
	All right, this needs to be deconstructed.
	The voice in the middle is the public health director for Nueces County, which includes Corpus Christi.
	And this report was very, very mean to first say, 85 babies have tested positive, not mentioning if they were sick or not, and then end the report with, 82 have died so far!
	Yeah, but they meant 82 total people, didn't they?
	Of course, but it's meant to put something into your brain.
	No other details were provided on the condition of those infants, but Corpus Christi currently has 82 deaths linked to the virus.
	But here is the kicker.
	Yeah, nice, nice.
	Well, it gets better.
	It gets better.
	It gets better.
	This, so this went viral.
	Everyone's tripping out.
	Oh, babies.
	Oh, no, it's, it's, oh, what are, schools of, what, babies?
	This report, and many similar to it, neglect to mention that the 85 infants who tested positive is a total number since the beginning of March.
	But do you think anyone will hear about that part of it, or will it just be the 85 children?
	They're almost dead.
	Wow.
	Yeah, and that's just fear porn.
	Fear porn and probably irresponsible journalism.
	But crap!
	Yeah, that made it sound like...
	I heard that report.
	I thought it sounded like they're having, like, this day, 85 babies somehow tested positive.
	And that's what the report was.
	And now you can see that they've changed their stories.
	The headlines remain the same.
	85 infants, 85 babies, test positive, COVID, Corpus Christi, Nuesis.
	And then some of them have added down somewhere in the story that it was a total starting as of March 1.
	So this is the kind of stuff that we have to be very careful of.
	Also, 38,000, it's an announcement, it's actually in the news, 38,000 trainees are now starting their medical residency during this pandemic.
	This is from CNN, who are happy to report it and neglect to report that statistically deaths go up a little bit in July because of the 38,000 trainees who come in and are learning on the job.
	It's not really something they advertise, I guess.
	But we know this is well known within the medical community.
	Community.
	Community.
	Then I have a question for you.
	Have you received an email or heard from someone you know that has said something like this?
	Today, a group of family friends, young 20-somethings, drove to San Diego from northern San Diego County to get in line for COVID testing.
	They signed in and got in line.
	One of them got tired of waiting in line to be tested, so he left and went home.
	His test results came back positive.
	He wasn't tested, and his test results came back positive.
	I have received a similar message from at least 15 people, and I've seen twice that many stories on Twitter.
	actually rampant where even if you if you sign up you don't get the test somehow it comes back positive maybe by default or is this one of those urban legends where a good friend of mine said or a buddy of mine went through this what do you think well it has it well because of his nature it has all the earmarks of an urban legend bullcrap story yeah so you have to assume it is okay Okay.
	Well, I'm planning on registering for a test and then not taking the test and see if it comes back.
	Just as a personal little experiment.
	That would be a good starting point to verify this idea.
	And furthermore, the state of Texas has now removed 3,484 cases from its COVID-19 positive case count because San Antonio's health department was reporting probable cases for people who were never actually tested as confirmed positive.
	There's a lot of stupidity with this testing and what value we're attaching to it, and even the death count.
	Did you see that email someone sent back a note about the graph you put in the newsletter?
	Okay, what?
	No, I did not see it.
	No, so it was the death count graph, and you saw that it kind of all peaked in April, and now it was down close to zero.
	And someone replies, oh, I put this on Twitter, and right away it was schooled by everybody that that graph is wrong.
	The death count is 1,000.
	So where'd you get that graph from?
	It's a compilation of CDC stats that you can look up.
	Mm-hmm.
	It's a CDC graph.
	That's one of them.
	The other one's a UK graph.
	I don't know where that came from.
	Was the green one a UK? No, the UK graph looks about right, but the...
	I don't know.
	I'm just saying that there's no way you can convince anybody who's all in and believes everything.
	Just forget about it.
	Sit back, relax.
	No, I've given up.
	In fact, you have to just...
	It's not worth it.
	It's obvious that in mid-April this thing peaked out, which is what Cuomo said was happening.
	I mean, everyone knows this.
	Exactly why they're in denial about it, I think, is just a mechanism of marketing to keep everybody all jacked up about the vaccine.
	Well, yeah, the vaccine and politics.
	And so they can continuously bitch about Trump.
	It's just bitch about Trump, bitch about Trump, keep on going.
	But, as predicted...
	It looks like we have the Act 3 coming into play with the vaccine.
	I'm going to lead you into...
	I see you have some clips about this, so this should probably work perfectly.
	Texas, once again...
	What clips?
	Texas, once again, is a spot where...
	What?
	I've been chatting, and you don't hear me most of the time for some reason.
	Maybe I was ignoring you.
	What were you saying?
	I said, what clips are you talking about?
	Fauci clips.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, Fauci.
	So I'm going to lead you into Fauci, is what I was saying.
	It was supposed to be slick, but it really failed.
	Well, yeah, because you said vaccine clips, and I don't know any vaccine clips.
	Okay.
	So we're moving into Act 3 as it pertains to this pandemic, and clearly it's the vaccine stage, and everyone's getting all excited, and it's almost like a global race.
	But Fauci is, as we would say in the biz, problematic.
	He recently, with his wife, appeared in an InStyle magazine profile at his house because he's Mr.
	Celebrite.
	Remember, his wife, Grady, she's in charge of the ethical issues for approving vaccines within the NIH. You know, so...
	The fact that their marriage shouldn't make any difference.
	I'm sure they're very professional about all of this and don't have any pillow talk.
	No conflict of interest there.
	But Fauci got slammed, got butt slammed because they weren't wearing masks.
	They should have been wearing masks in the pictorial.
	He screwed it up.
	And the whole point of the article was some transition of power, I think, because in it, the question is, do you think the president's going to fire you?
	And Fauci's answer is, he can't.
	Question again, he can't fire you?
	Answer, no, the president cannot fire me.
	So, let's move in his boss and let's put him in with Rolf and let's see what we can get out of it after we announce our trials in San Antonio.
	First at four, the very first coronavirus vaccine tested in the United States is showing promising results.
	Moderna released the results of the first phase of human trials and quickly advancing to the second phase.
	A third phase set to begin late this month right here in San Antonio.
	The first phase of the Moderna trial produced good news with two doses of the vaccine showing a quick immune response.
	But a big question remains about the immunity of the vaccine they are trying to develop.
	The question related that is going to be long-term immunity and how long this immunity that's being obtained with the vaccine is going to last and protect patients.
	89% of the participants were white, with the remaining being minorities.
	Getting minorities to participate in the next step is extremely important.
	And by the way, when you're going to talk to minorities about vaccine trials, you have to make a few things very clear.
	These are the folks that are being hardest hit with this disease right now.
	So we want them to be able to participate to help us, give us more information about how the virus affects.
	For the third phase, it is important to note volunteers would not be injected with COVID and it would not increase their chance of getting the virus at all.
	An important thing for people to realize is you're not going to get the virus from the vaccine and those symptoms that you may experience are just evident.
	If you would like more information about the trial or to sign up for the trial itself, we have the contact information for Clinical Trials of Texas with this story on kens5.com.
	And by the way, what you saw there was not a doctor from Moderna.
	It was a representative from the agency that does the tests.
	Making it kind of look like, hey, I'm here for Moderna, everything's all...
	This is an ad to get people to sign up for this thing, and we need some African Americans over here.
	Don't worry, there's no vaccine in this.
	I mean, no virus in this vaccine.
	So apparently they actually think that if you tell someone, hey, we're giving you an injection, but we're not shooting you up with COVID... That that's going to be...
	Oh, okay.
	If somebody tells me this, I'm not taking that.
	What do you mean?
	Why are you telling me this?
	Why did you have to disclaim that as an additional little measure there?
	What are you getting at?
	Anyway, again, I think they still need to target the young people to get a free pass to roam around wherever you want.
	Now...
	With Fauci, in my regard, on the way out, we have to bring in his boss.
	We have to bring in Francis Collins, and he's on with Brolf.
	And, of course, the whole issue of transition comes up in this backhanded way about Fauci being fired.
	I know you were asked the other day about this, and let me press you on this, Dr.
	Collins.
	You and I have known each other for quite a while.
	You said that you would refuse an order to dismiss Dr.
	Fauci.
	It works for you.
	And you laughed.
	I'm quoting you now.
	I think you heard my answer.
	To be clear, are you saying you would not carry out an order to fire Dr.
	Fauci?
	I could not imagine doing something of that sort, no.
	If you were to fire him, what would you do?
	Would you rather resign than carry out an order, let's say it came from the President of the United States?
	Sure.
	You know, Wolf, I really hope that this kind of circumstance never comes to pass, and I'm not sure it's a helpful conversation to have, but I certainly would defend the contributions and the remarkable character of Tony Fauci, and I would find it very difficult to be in a circumstance where I was asked to do something like what you're describing.
	I want to move on, but has anyone inside the White House ever reached out to you about Dr.
	Fauci, getting your thoughts on whether or not he should stay on the task force or be fired?
	Nobody ever has.
	And I hope you noticed that the White House basically distanced themselves from Peter Navarro's op-ed that clearly was not supported by others in the White House senior staff.
	And he not only, of course, is in this role on the task force and being a spokesperson about what's happening with COVID-19.
	He also is the scientist who leads our part of NIH with all that's happening now with investigating and developing therapeutics and vaccines and new diagnostic tests, something that I'm also deeply engaged in at the moment.
	So he's a national treasured.
	He is a national treasure.
	Of course, he's a national treasure.
	We can't get rid of him.
	This is interesting because the clips I have kind of reflect this.
	And by the way, I don't think Collins is going to cut it.
	I'm pushing back on your theory now.
	They're going to keep Fauci in play.
	But somebody wants to get rid of Fauci, but it's not the White House.
	And it's either the media...
	Or they're just hounding the hell out of Fauci.
	What you just saw there was repeating this.
	What do you think about this?
	What do you think about that?
	I got a serious...
	Judy does the same thing.
	She has Fauci on for half an hour.
	Okay.
	Now, wait a minute.
	Assertion again.
	I like this.
	Someone wants Fauci out, but it's not the White House.
	I like this.
	That's what I'm beginning to think, because the way it keeps showing up, it's not the White House that is making the fuss, and it's definitely not Trump.
	Right.
	But somebody wants him to fire Fauci for some reason so they could use it.
	Oh, he fired Fauci.
	Maybe that's it.
	Maybe it's just that simple.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Just have that bit.
	It could be.
	Could be.
	But let's say...
	I took...
	He was on the News Hour for a half hour.
	Yak, yak, yak.
	And you can see that they're not going to put Collins in.
	Collins doesn't have the...
	Something about Fauci.
	He's Fauci.
	He's got this crackly voice.
	He's cool as a cucumber.
	He's really good, actually.
	I have a whole bunch of clips from him.
	But let's just listen to the attack mode where Judy's trying to pull the same crap that you just heard Wolf do.
	Now, this is the Fauci-Judy attack one.
	The White House.
	You had your first conversation with President Trump, we are told, this week in perhaps a month or longer.
	You had a meeting with the White House Chief of Staff, Mark Meadows.
	But just yesterday, he called you irresponsible for a statement you made comparing, saying that this pandemic could be worse than the 1918 pandemic.
	You've also been attacked, as you know, by Peter Navarro, the White House You know, I think you've got to be careful when you say the White House.
	The White House in general is not trying to.
	Certainly the president is not.
	I certainly believe that Mark Meadows is not.
	What happened with Peter Navarro in the editorial, I can't even comment on that.
	That just is beyond my comprehension why he did that.
	But I do not believe that the White House is trying to discredit me.
	No, I don't.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	So he says, I think that's it.
	He answered the question.
	He said, no, I don't think so.
	But wait a minute.
	That's not good enough for Judy.
	Let's read, let me think, what can Judy do?
	Well, let's try, take a second shot.
	Let's go.
	Do you think there are individuals in the White House who are?
	Well, I already mentioned one.
	And Mark Meadows saying you're irresponsible for that comment?
	Well, what happened there is that that was something that was said in another interview where there could have been a misunderstanding that I was equating them.
	So one of the things we wanted to do was to correct that, which I did in an interview that I had just like yesterday, I believe.
	I don't think he was calling me.
	Irresponsible as a person.
	I think he was referring to his concern that there was going to be some misunderstanding.
	I don't have a problem with that.
	Mark and I are on very good terms.
	I like the terminology, irresponsible.
	Irresponsible.
	How about this for size?
	So Trump wants him around because what's coming is Fauci's connection to the Wuhan lab and the financing.
	Fauci out for that very reason and Trump to stay in, have him stay in for that very reason and call him things such as irresponsible, which is a little better than, you know, horrible douchebag liar.
	Just he's irresponsible.
	Why?
	Well, yeah, we saw what he did with, uh, with Wuhan and with the lab and that was irresponsible.
	That's a career killer.
	That's an interesting idea.
	But there is something going on.
	There's somebody trying to get rid of Fauci, and it doesn't seem to be the White House.
	But that's not good enough for Judy.
	Oh, no.
	She heard it twice that he's in...
	No, no, no, that's not happening.
	I understand what he said when he called me irresponsible.
	Boom, fine.
	No, no.
	Let's go with number three, a shorty here.
	She's going to try to get a quick one in.
	Let me ask it this way, Dr.
	Fauci.
	Do you think you have the full backing and support of the White House from the president on down?
	I do.
	I do.
	I believe I do.
	I spoke to the president about that.
	I believe I do.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	So that was pretty final.
	That's pretty definitive.
	And of course she starts off with the classic, oh geez, well let me ask the same question this way.
	Now Kayleigh McEnany would have blasted her for asking the same question the third time.
	But no, that's not good enough still.
	Judy decides to take him on a fourth time.
	And why do you think they've been trying to limit your public appearances?
	Well, I think it's a question of different messages getting out.
	The real emphasis right now is on more of trying to get the country opened again and economic messages.
	I don't think there's going to be that much.
	Yes, it varies.
	There are some times when I'm on a lot.
	And there's sometimes when I'm not.
	Here I am with you.
	You know, I always like to be on with you.
	I'm glad they said yes to that.
	And we appreciate it.
	And we appreciate it.
	Ah, wait, there was approval.
	There was approval for this one.
	You noticed that.
	Yeah, huh.
	They said I could do...
	Now, who was they?
	Are we just to assume the White House?
	Well, there's a couple of things in that little subtext that come to mind.
	One, he's doing a lot of interviews.
	Yeah, yeah, for sure.
	And he's getting approval to do all of them.
	I would expect it, yeah.
	That's just what he said, because he got approval to do the news hour.
	So he's getting approval for all these things.
	So doing all these, lots and lots and lots of interviews, he's getting approval for.
	So who's bitching about him doing too many interviews?
	Yeah.
	Who?
	The media.
	Yeah, it's the media.
	You had me stumped for a second, but I'm glad I came through.
	This is a scam.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, my money's on him being a problem for the outcome of a lot of investigation, because you know the investigating's going on right now.
	Trump is pretty confident the way he speaks about it and speaks about Wuhan and speaks about the lab and where it came from.
	And I think Fauci's on the...
	Fauci's no slouch.
	He's obviously been in the game for a long time.
	He's made a lot of money.
	He's got a wife that's well-positioned.
	He'll come out of this fine.
	He may be the witness for the prosecution, witness for the White House.
	We don't know.
	But he doesn't seem like he's worried at all about any of this bull crap that the media keeps throwing at him and these constant questions about, do they hate you at the White House?
	Hmm.
	Well, I'm seeing.
	I saw it with the wolf thing.
	I think the wolf thing was perfect.
	He did the same thing Judy did.
	Hounded him, trying to get him to say something.
	Yeah, and it was obviously the same in InStyle magazine, not necessarily the bastion of journalism.
	So they got the message, too.
	Hmm.
	That is interesting.
	Okay, you can do an interview with him as long as you ask him about getting fired.
	Twice.
	And if you ask three times, then you're on our good list.
	And we'll give you more access later on.
	I can just see Judy falling for that crap.
	She's lost it long ago.
	Now, there was a couple of things that were actually decent in the interview.
	I have three other clips of the Fauci interview.
	If you want to hear them.
	Yes, of course.
	He did his thing.
	With a sidebar out of the blue.
	Managed to get a plug in here.
	This is the Fauci sidebar.
	With another respiratory virus, where you've got to be able to determine the difference of those two.
	And that's the reason why I think what we should be doing is making sure that as we get into the fall, we get as many people vaccinated as we possibly can against influenza to try to be Get that off the table.
	Yeah, so we can show that whatever else we put into your veins works.
	Whatever.
	I'm just a conspiratorial thinker, that's all.
	You are.
	You're terrible.
	I have no problem with it.
	He does bring up the anti-vaxxers, which, by the way, and I've said it on this show, I know you totally agree with me, but you don't disagree, is that when they came out with that swine flu vaccine in 2009, it was an eight-card zephyr, by the way.
	Ooh, okay, so we're stable.
	Economy's stable, everybody.
	When they came out with that vaccine, I took photos, I blogged about it.
	There were lines around the block.
	It looked like a Star Wars movie.
	Why would I not agree with that?
	I thought we had consensus.
	No, I mean, but the point is that These anti-vaxxers, the people that don't want to get vaccinated, it's a very small number of people.
	It's a pretty small group, yeah.
	I think so, too.
	But he thinks it's a bigger number than it is.
	However, excuse me.
	Anti-vaxxers, I think, is limited.
	The number of people who will stand in line for the vaccine on day one, I'm getting mixed results.
	I'll hang back and wait a few days.
	Of course, there'll be plenty of people who will line up, no doubt about it.
	But I think there is a little bit of apprehension, but one or two weeks or maybe a month into it, everyone will be on board, I'm sure.
	I don't think there's any apprehension whatsoever.
	You notice this in your note.
	Somebody sends you a letter.
	One of your old buddies says, I'm just waiting for the vaccine.
	Remember that?
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	I think that's the way I think Horowitz will be in line.
	Well, no, I will wager.
	That he'll want to wait for one...
	He's a smart guy.
	He understands risk, so he likes to hedge risk, and he'll wait one or two, maybe one or two days.
	One or two days.
	I'm not hedging anything.
	He's a friend, you know, so I don't want to slam him too bad, but yeah.
	No, I'm not slamming him.
	I'm just saying he'll be in line for the vaccine.
	He thinks we're nuts.
	Why aren't you in line for the vaccine?
	It'd be the way...
	What?
	So here's Fauci on the anti-vaxxers.
	Do you have a worry, though, Dr.
	Fauci, that the anti-vaccine movement could interfere with this timetable?
	Yes, I do.
	Because, I mean, we have to admit and realize that there is an anti-vax movement that we've had to struggle with in this country.
	And I believe the solution to that...
	We need community engagement and community outreach to get people that are trusted by the community to go out there and explain to them the importance of not only getting engaged in the vaccine trial, but the importance of when the vaccine is shown to be safe and effective, to actually take the vaccine.
	Because it could be life-saving, and it certainly would be the solution to this terrible pandemic.
	Yeah, well, he got his little thing in there.
	Yeah, well, he'll get that...
	They'll have everybody coming out of the woodwork saying how great it is.
	They'll have the whole campaign to get you to take your shot.
	Well, the skepticism in general is growing worldwide.
	Certainly with just trusting the numbers in the UK. Now the health secretary has ordered an urgent review.
	The numbers have been too high.
	The death count has been over-counting.
	There's a lot of different...
	I mean, everywhere people are starting to question...
	As masks become mandatory across the globe, this is not, whenever I, I should probably have clipped it, but the number of times I've heard on MSNBC people say, no one else in the world is arguing about masks!
	Well, yeah.
	Well, they may not be arguing as loudly because we have free speech, freedom of speech in America.
	Most other countries, people are afraid to stand up and say, hey, I don't agree with something.
	But it's everywhere.
	Every country is now recounting.
	Every country is enforcing masks.
	So it's kind of this two-prong.
	You know, I want to remind you, it's really bad.
	It's really bad because you see masks everywhere.
	But the numbers are also kind of wrong.
	Man, I don't know.
	I will say from my end, it's over.
	It's peaked.
	It's going down.
	And most people don't seem to die.
	Most people don't even get really sick.
	And people who do, sorry.
	So if you don't understand numbers of a thousand people a day dying of something, I can't help that.
	You got to see something in perspective.
	Until it happens to me, then I'll be pissed off.
	Well, nobody wants to see the perspective.
	No.
	No.
	That doesn't happen to you.
	I'm sorry?
	Take a D3, everything's good to go.
	That's what I think, too.
	I take 10 micro-gigilates per day.
	Whatever.
	The giblets.
	Yeah.
	They're really good.
	I love them.
	Now, there's only one last clip.
	If you want to play it now, we can play it.
	Maybe come in and play some later.
	But Fauci does bring up the back-to-school thing, and he doesn't come up with what you think.
	So much to ask you, Dr.
	Fauci.
	But one of the most important things on people's minds, of course, is going back to school.
	And I do want to ask you about K-12.
	As you know, the Secretary of Education this week said all children should be back in school this fall.
	There's even a potential risk of losing federal funds.
	Then just this afternoon, the governor of California said most California schools are not going to be back in person.
	What are individuals, what are parents to make of this?
	Obviously, this is a disconcerting problem because we care so much about our children and their education.
	The way I look at it, Judy, quickly, I have, looking at 40,000 feet, a default position.
	The default position is that you should try, to the best of your ability, With all considerations to the safety and welfare of the children and the teachers, we should try to get the children back to school as best as we possibly can.
	With that as the framework, you've got to look throughout the country that the level of infection is different from region to region, state to state, county to county.
	So there are going to be some counties where there's no problem.
	Take the kids back to school.
	They're not in danger.
	In those areas where it's iffy, where you see that there's a degree of infection, then what some schools will do, short of just shutting down, and some authorities may decide to do that, is to do something with a little bit of creativity.
	Maybe alternating classes, spacing of the desks for children who can do it wearing masks.
	Now, any scientist that uses a descriptor such as iffy, I'm not really buying your science.
	Well, he's not against it.
	No, he's not.
	This is a key.
	This is a key, because the left-wing talk radio and the left-wing, not the media as much, but just, you hear this, there is this idea that if we don't go back to school in the fall, Trump loses.
	Yeah, I can see where they think that.
	But I think that is absolutely wrong.
	I'm going to be on your side.
	I think so, too.
	I think the left is nuts.
	I don't see it, but they're convinced that if you keep the kids at home, it's going to create so much anger that they're going to vote out Trump.
	Because they're somehow going to blame Trump for this.
	Well, at least we know what to look for.
	Because, of course, everything's blamed on Trump.
	World War II? Trump!
	Come on!
	Everybody knows this.
	And I must say, As a side note on Orange Man Bad.
	For some reason, Tina's female friends feel very comfortable speaking their mind in front of me when I'm in the conversation.
	Because they think you're a doofus.
	Well, they've listened to my show, and I'm sure they know my opinions or how I think about things.
	What is this my show?
	What is your show?
	Do you have another show?
	Yeah, it's the With Adam Curry show.
	You know what I mean.
	Jesus.
	Did you hear the Tom Woods interview?
	Did you hear how I hyped you up?
	No, I've been waiting to hear it.
	Well, you should listen to that.
	I hyped you up.
	Did you hype me up?
	Am I going to finally get a job?
	Yes, you're getting a bit part, a cameo.
	I hyped you up, man.
	I did.
	You know, we have a couple of movie producers that listen to this show.
	Good luck.
	Okay, we all know this is the John C. Devorak show.
	We all know it.
	My point was, they've heard me.
	They know my opinions.
	Yet they have no problem telling me exactly how they feel when it comes to Black Lives Matter or coronavirus.
	But the fear of Trump, where it's coming back, the cycle has returned, I have heard the following.
	If Trump gets re-elected, I will load a gun and shoot myself in the head.
	Wow!
	If Trump gets re-elected, I am moving out of the country.
	Oh, sure.
	Yeah, we're waiting for that.
	I'm still waiting.
	This is the fractal.
	Streisand, I'm thinking of you.
	But I was surprised to hear from one of her Jewish friends, not the one you know, a different one.
	She's also a teacher in the Austin area.
	She says, well, if Trump, I'm freaking out, I have to get my passport in order, which is a problem because there's a huge backlog, but if Trump gets re-elected, I have to get out because I think the anti-Semitism and the white supremacists will be unleashed and it's going to happen all over again.
	She was on the ledge with this.
	Like, really, really freaking out.
	I said, well, what do you base that on?
	Somebody's putting her there.
	Somebody's putting her on the ledge.
	Someone is pushing her toward the ledge.
	Who is that someone?
	Is it the media in general?
	Is it the New York Times?
	I think it's the New York Times.
	Maybe the Times.
	I noticed my next-door neighbor, the ones that, you know, they're just...
	Shaking in their boots.
	They stay locked up because they're supposed to.
	You know, the doctors, too, and they know better.
	And I saw her out on the porch.
	She'll come out on the porch, and I see what she's doing.
	She's reading the New York Times.
	She's one of those, you know, people in California that have an obligation to subscribe to the New York Times as blue rapper.
	You see them on, you know, different streets.
	You used to have them all over the place on this block, but most of the Chinese have moved in, and the New York Times has moved out.
	Right, right.
	Well, what was interesting about her case is, because we have discussed the very fine people on both sides comment before, and I told her, would you please go read the actual transcript?
	And she brought this up, she said, I did what you said, I read the transcript, and you're so right, but I keep hearing him say very fine people in different places, and that's a trope.
	And then she brought up from 2015 the Hillary Clinton campaign, the anti-campaign meme with a star, a red star and cash behind her.
	And at the time that was, oh, it's a Jewish star and anti-Semitic and tropes and money.
	And so she brought that up.
	I'm like, okay, but what do you think it means?
	I mean, is Hillary Clinton Jewish or what is it?
	It doesn't matter.
	It's all tropes and it's scary.
	And she was really afraid.
	So there is a significant amount of people, just from my own personal sample, who have said to me, and I think people who have probably voted for Trump, if he doesn't win, will this all go away?
	Because then I'm okay with it.
	I don't understand what that means.
	You have to explain.
	Will all this go away?
	Meaning, panic, Black Lives Matter, will all this go away if Trump loses?
	And I think that that's kind of what's being pushed on people.
	It will all turn back to normal.
	I think there's an element of that.
	That's a good theory.
	I think the media is promoting that idea.
	Yes, yes, definitely.
	And, of course, the media throws in a little bit of Russian hackers are stealing the vaccine formula.
	The problem is, yeah, the Russians, I noticed this.
	They're talking about Russian hackers stealing the vaccine.
	They never talk about Chinese hackers.
	I'm glad you bring this up.
	I have a short little super cuts here about Trump's war on pretty much everything.
	Donald Trump's war on elements of his own government.
	Trump's war on absentee ballots.
	Trump's war on Fauci.
	President Trump's war on face masks.
	Trump's war on world order.
	Donald Trump's war on women.
	Trump's war on science.
	Trump's war on children.
	President Trump's war on the truth.
	Trump's war on reality.
	Trump's war on institutions.
	Trump's war on his own executive branch.
	Donald Trump's war on the FBI. Donald Trump's war on the FBI. Trump's war on Jeff Sessions.
	President Trump's war on Obamacare.
	Donald Trump's war on law enforcement.
	Trump's war on the whistleblower.
	Trump's war on the Freedom Caucus.
	President Trump's war on the NFL. Trump's war on Amazon.
	Donald Trump's war on Intel.
	Trump's war on the intelligence community.
	Trump's war on intelligence.
	Donald Trump's war on immigrants.
	Trump's war on immigrant labor.
	President Trump's war on the press.
	President Trump's unprecedented first year war on the media.
	Trump's war on the media.
	War on the press.
	War on the media.
	Trump's war on the media.
	Coming up in our next hour, Trump's war on the media continues.
	Donald Trump's war on justice.
	Trump's war on justice.
	Donald Trump's war on justice.
	Trump's war on the justice system.
	All right.
	Wow, that's an excellent catch.
	Who did that one?
	That's super cuts, super cuts.
	You know, the YouTube guy's super cuts.
	Yeah, the dynamite.
	Now, what did we not hear in that?
	There was no war on China.
	And that's remarkable.
	You don't hear much about it because, you know, obviously Fauci's getting fired.
	Trump's horrible.
	More people die.
	We're all going to die.
	85 children.
	We're all dying here and it's crazy and horrible and black lives.
	But nothing about China.
	I believe, and what you caught earlier, this synchronized attacking of Fauci in multiple media properties on the same topic with the questions being reiterated, is clearly coordinated.
	Well, there's another coordination going on.
	It is a full-on offensive against China.
	And it is being rolled out across all kinds of platforms, where, again, you'll hear some of the same terminology, some of the same angles.
	So I don't know if there's someone new in the White House working, maybe Kayleigh McEnany for all.
	I know she might be the one that coordinates this stuff.
	I don't know.
	But Bill Barr...
	By the way, there's a war on her.
	Go on.
	Oh, yeah.
	But it's not Trump's war.
	Bill Barr, the Attorney General of the United States, did a speech at the Gerald R. Ford Library Foundation or something.
	Maybe it's just the foundation.
	I guess Bill Barr, didn't he join the CIA during that time?
	ford nixon era kind of maybe he was around so he's got buddies there that's why he did this but this was a um this is a political speech but it's a um more the kind of work that uh which diplomats this the language of diplomats is being spoken here of course zero coverage i'm
	I don't think anyone really played any clips anywhere of this speech, but it was quite good, and there was a lot of clear messages in there that I think we should be aware of as it pertains to China.
	So here he is first introducing the general issues that the administration has with China.
	I'm privileged to speak here today about what may prove to be The most important issue for our nation and the world in the 21st century, and that is the United States' response to the global ambitions of the Chinese Communist Party.
	The CCP rules with an iron fist over one of the great ancient civilizations of the world.
	It seeks to leverage the immense power, productivity, and ingenuity of the Chinese people.
	To overthrow the rule-based international system and to make the world safe for dictatorship.
	How the United States responds to this challenge will have historic implications and will determine whether the United States and its liberal democratic allies will continue to shape their own destiny Or whether the CCP and its autocratic tributaries will continue, will control the future.
	So when he says they're breaking the rules-based international system, that is synonymous with the liberal international economic order, which I think we've talked about that.
	Yeah, well, we had actually, we even had the Joint Chief of Staffs guy, Miley, give a speech.
	We had a speech about how it's set up and how they deal with it and how they run it.
	And very blunt about it.
	And we also had Ray recently say that there are going to be a series of these speeches by different high-end guys, including Pompeo, I guess, will be next.
	Pompeo's already done a number of speeches, anti-Chinese speeches.
	This stuff is not being covered by anybody.
	And you're nailing it because that is the next clip.
	As Barr clearly shows, this is a whole-of-government initiative.
	Several weeks ago, the National Security Advisor, Robert O'Brien, spoke about the CCP's ideology and global ambitions.
	He declared, and I agree, that the days of American passivity and naivete regarding the people of China.
	Why would he use the word naivete?
	I find an interesting choice.
	What's the better word?
	I don't know.
	I mean...
	Corrupt?
	What he's implying, of course, is that we're...
	That corrupt is what he's implying.
	Well, I mean, what he's implying is the naivete is that we're just sitting around with a thumbs up our asses, thinking everything's going to be fine if we just do what China says.
	Yes, that's why it's diplomatic language.
	I would have preferred we're sitting around with a thumbs up our asses or whistling Dixie.
	...that the days of American passivity and naivete regarding the People's Republic of China are over.
	And last week, the FBI Director, Chris Wray, described how the CCP pursues its ambitions through the nefarious and even illegal conduct, including industrial espionage, theft, extortion, cyberattacks, and malign influence activities.
	In the coming days...
	You will hear from Secretary Mike Pompeo, who will sum up what is at stake for the United States and the free world.
	Now, Chris Ray told me that shortly after his speech last week, one of the leaders of the Chinese Communist Party pronounced that his speech was particularly disgusting.
	I told him that I was going to aim today to be despicable.
	But I'll settle for especially disgusting.
	I think the message is pretty clear when you're saying that as the Attorney General.
	I am intending on being very disgusting towards China today.
	This is bigger than the coverage it's received, in my opinion.
	The lack of coverage of this by the media is shameful, but it just tells you that the media is all in.
	It's all in for China.
	They've been taken over, and they're not trustworthy.
	If you want to read the New York Times, you might as well be just reading Chinese propaganda.
	As sorry as that is.
	Well, Barr's going to take it to one more level here, and he's going to imply a little bit more about the...
	He's going to bring it up a notch?
	He's going to crank it up a notch, yes, and he's going to...
	It's some kind of...
	So he says two things in here, but there's also this whole of government approach.
	I think he's mirroring, and he would like the United States to do the same as China.
	General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, Xi Jinping, who has centralized power to a degree not seen since the dictatorship of Mao Zedong.
	Now speaks openly of China moving closer to the center stage, building a socialism that is superior to capitalism, and replacing the American dream with the Chinese solution.
	China is no longer hiding its strength, nor biding its time.
	From the perspective of its communist rulers, China's time has arrived.
	The People's Republic of China is now engaged in an economic blitzkrieg.
	When you say the Chinese are involved in it, no matter what blitzkrieg it is, you're basically calling them Nazis.
	I mean, there's a lot of different terms you could have used, but saying a blitzkrieg, which was, although ultimately fatal for the Germans, it was quite destructive.
	So here's Barr saying, you guys are Nazis.
	...has arrived.
	The People's Republic of China is now engaged in an economic blitzkrieg, an aggressive, orchestrated, whole-of-government, indeed, whole-of-society campaign to seize the commanding heights of the global economy and to surpass the United States as the world's preeminent technological superpower.
	So it's the whole of society.
	And it's my belief that Barr wants the United States to also have a whole of society response to what China is doing, as that will come up later.
	I think this is one of these coordinated terms.
	But next, just to make it even more fun, he goes after what he will call the collaborators.
	Which I'm pretty sure is also a callback to the collaborators with the Nazis in World War II. Oh, for sure.
	Let's hear who they are!
	All too often, for the sake of short-term profits, American companies have succumbed to that influence, even at the expense of freedom and openness in the United States.
	Sadly, examples of American business bowing to China are legion.
	Take Hollywood.
	Hollywood's actors, producers, and directors pride themselves on celebrating freedom and the human spirit.
	And every year at the Academy Awards, Americans are lectured about how this country falls short of Hollywood's ideals of social justice.
	But Hollywood now regularly censors its own movies to appease the Chinese Communist Party, the world's most powerful violator of human rights.
	This censorship infects not only the versions of movies that are released in China, but also many that are shown in the United States theaters to American audiences.
	Whoa!
	You got butt slammed!
	Ho ho ho ho!
	And you wonder why the media is not interested in covering this.
	Ha ha ha!
	But wait!
	But wait!
	There's more collaborators!
	Hollywood is far from alone in kowtowing to the PRC. America's big tech companies have also allowed themselves to become pawns of Chinese influence.
	In the year 2000, when the United States normalized trade relations with China, President Clinton hailed the new century as one in which liberty will be spread by cell phone and cable modem.
	Instead, over the course of the next decade, American companies such as Cisco helped the Chinese communists build the Great Firewall of China, the world's most sophisticated system for internet surveillance and censorship.
	Over the years, corporations such as Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, and Apple have shown themselves all too willing to collaborate with the CCP. For example, Apple recently removed the news app Quartz from its app store in China after the Chinese government complained about the coverage of Hong Kong democracy protests.
	Apple also removed the apps for virtual private networks, which had allowed users to circumvent the Great Firewall and eliminated pro-democracy songs from the Chinese music store.
	Meanwhile, the company announced that it would be transferring some of its iCloud data to servers in China, despite concerns that the move would give the Communist Party easier access to emails, And it didn't stop there.
	He went on to talk about what Apple would and would not do to help law enforcement.
	Not that I agree with Bill Barr's idea of we should be able to have a warrant and break encryption.
	But he's very clear on the collaborators, the collaborators, the NSB-ers.
	Bad actors in our country.
	I can see why the media is not covering this, because they're collaborators too.
	Well, here it comes.
	I think this next short piece is the warning shot to people at tech companies, people in Hollywood, and certainly people in the media.
	America's corporate leaders might not think of themselves as lobbyists.
	You might think, for example, that cultivating a mutually beneficial relationship is just part of a guanxi, the system of influential social networking.
	necessary to do business in the PRC, but you should be alert to how you might be used and how your efforts on behalf of a foreign company or government could implicate the Foreign Agents Registration Act.
	FARAH does not prohibit any speech or conduct, but it does require those who are acting as agents of foreign principles to publicly disclose that relationship I think that's a big F you.
	Because the Foreign Agent Registration Act, isn't that what got Manafort on Rikers Island?
	It's like, okay, you didn't register properly, but you are lobbying, and that can go for so many companies, so many media people.
	Oh, yeah.
	And they know they should be registered.
	They know they should be registered.
	And they're taking money because that's the thing.
	If you take money and then you say anything about, you know, promoting, in this case, China, if you're not registered, it's not illegal to do that, but if you're not registered, then you can get in trouble.
	See Paul Manafort.
	And then the final collaborateur is easy to guess.
	It's academia.
	The Chinese Communist Party also seeks to infiltrate, censor, or co-opt American academic and research institutions.
	For example, dozens of American universities host Chinese government-funded Confucian Institutes.
	He says Confucian.
	I'm pretty sure it's Confucius, but the term Confucian is correct if it's describing them.
	I thought it was weird that he didn't say Confucius Institutes.
	Yeah, it's the Confucius Institute.
	I don't know why he did that.
	These government-funded Confucian Institutes.
	which have been accused of pressuring host universities to silence discussion or cancel events on topics considered controversial by Beijing.
	Universities must stand up for each other, refuse to let the CCP dictate research efforts or suppress diverse voices, Support colleagues and students who wish to speak their minds and consider whether any sacrifice of academic integrity or freedom is worth the price of appeasing the CCP's demands.
	American corporations and universities alike may view themselves as global citizens rather than as American institutions.
	But they should remember that what allowed them to succeed in the first place was the American free enterprise system, the rule of law, and the security afforded by America's economic, technological, and military strength.
	So with the Confucius Institutes, The whole of government and hopeful whole of society approach of the Trump administration, because we have FBI Director Wray, we've got Secretary of State Pompeo.
	I saw the Pompeo speech, nothing new.
	I mean, it's just really not as interesting, I think, as Barr.
	But our friends there who are financed by, what's this, American Thought Leaders, who are the Epoch Times.
	They're the anti-CCP. The Falun Gong guys, exactly.
	So they're in on this because you'll hear very similar type of messaging here from Rochelle Peterson, and she is from the National Association of Scholars.
	could be a total front for something.
	I didn't dive too deep in it, but I did think her couple of clips here about Confucius Institutes and how they work and where they are is interesting.
	So first, she'll explain what the Confucius Institute is. - Confucius Institutes are Chinese government funded centers that are on American college campuses as well as other college campuses around the world.
	These are basically little nodes of the Chinese government on campus, teaching Chinese Communist Party-approved propaganda packaged in curriculum, using teachers that are vetted and selected by the Chinese government and paid by the Chinese government.
	And using materials that are being sent over by the Chinese government.
	So they are little nodes of influence from the Chinese Communist Party.
	And they are basically infecting American higher education and putting a quash on academic freedom and challenging the integrity of our schools.
	And these are everywhere.
	I checked.
	Well, yeah, they're kind of everywhere, but they're not as everywhere as they were a few years ago.
	They're shutting them down left and right.
	A lot.
	At the height, there were 110 Confucius institutes just in the United States.
	There were more than 1,000 across the world.
	And 500 Confucius classrooms at the K-12 level, mostly at high schools, but also at elementary schools, which is really alarming when you think of Chinese Communist Party classes.
	Selected teachers going into elementary schools and teaching our school-aged children.
	So, more than 100 Confucius Institutes.
	That number is going down now that Confucius Institutes have come to the forefront.
	They're facing a backlash.
	We've really woken up as a society to the risks that China is posing, that Confucius Institutes in particular pose.
	Right now, there are 75 Confucius Institutes in operation in the United States.
	And all told, since they launched in 2005 at the University of Maryland, 45 Confucius institutions.
	I'm very happy to celebrate.
	So both my stepdaughters went to universities that had Confucius Institutes, University of Texas, and University of Arkansas.
	The University of Texas, they cut their ties.
	So that's one of the 45 that have been shut down.
	Arkansas seems to be alive and well.
	So what are they doing?
	Watch for the keywords.
	Yeah.
	We've seen the United States as a country and a lot of the rest of the world also just wake up to the realization that China has been using a whole of government approach, sometimes even a whole of society approach towards infiltrating the West, towards trying to penetrate our institutions and work within them from inside to turn them in favor of China, to turn them against our own values.
	And that is exactly what's been happening with our colleges and universities, I think that's
	worth listening to this for.
	Well, the money flows from China to the university.
	The Hanban will cover the operating costs.
	Usually it's $150,000 in grants per year just for operating costs.
	The teachers are paid directly by the Hanban.
	That money doesn't even have to flow through the university.
	They're getting their salaries straight from the Chinese government.
	The Hanban is sending over free textbooks.
	And other supplies that the Confucius Institute might need.
	The Hanban likes to advertise that universities put in 50% of the costs of a Confucius Institute.
	But if you look at that really closely and break down where they're getting that, really what that means is the university is donating some office space and the use of some classrooms and is having a professor or administrator add on a few duties as the co-director of the Confucius Institute. really what that means is the university is donating some And that's what makes this so attractive to colleges and universities.
	They're essentially getting Chinese classes provided at no cost to them.
	They have the opportunity to offer credit to students who sign up for these classes, charge students tuition for a class whose costs are being paid by the Chinese government.
	class whose costs are being paid by the Chinese government.
	It's a big money-making initiative.
	It's a big money making initiative.
	Once the university has a Confucius Institute, it establishes a close relationship with the Chinese government by way of the Hanban.
	Pretty soon you see the college president going on speaking tours in China, getting fated at lavish dinners.
	Pretty soon you see other professors making trips to China, additional Chinese students enrolling at that university.
	The levers of money really start flowing once a university gets a Confucius Institute.
	So it's not just the money that the institute itself brings in.
	It's these hosts of other benefits that come along once they establish that relationship.
	I think we should have our own Confucian Institute.
	If it comes with trips to China, lavish dinners, I'm like, I kind of like that.
	We're dry up our alley.
	I'll provide a little bit of office space for you.
	No problem.
	I got some here.
	Some Chinese guy into the fifth bedroom there.
	Final clip, of course, their crap.
	By the way, when they talk about a whole of society approach, The way I see that is something that can't be done in this case.
	Remember when we were angry at the French and we renamed French fries Freedom Fries?
	Yeah, that's about as far as we go.
	That's a whole of society approach for America.
	I don't think there's any chance we're going to have any kind of, you know, Kung Fu food instead of Chinese food.
	It's just not going to happen.
	I mean, you think about just Trump chiding the media with calling it the Kung Flu.
	I think he did that two or three times.
	Yes, he did.
	And watching everybody get bent out of shape defending the Chinese and China, the CCP and the rest of it.
	It's one of these funny things where I think this is a good point where you can start making the lists Not like I want to make lists, but I do make lists.
	You can already put together a list of people that are pretty much on the Chinese side of things when it comes down to it.
	It's the way we used to identify spooks.
	Who used to, during that era when Dianne Feinstein was being spied on, even though she was the head of the Intelligence Committee at the time, and it became a big deal with these different reporters, Richard Engel being one of them.
	Yeah.
	Taking the side of the CIA. Oh, we shouldn't be looking at these documents anyway.
	Or people that are saying stuff like media.
	Media people saying, oh, you don't want to look at WikiLeaks.
	Not allowed to read it.
	It's illegal.
	It's illegal to read it.
	Well, yeah, if you're a spy, if you're a signed up CIA member, you're not supposed to look at WikiLeaks.
	Yes.
	I think we should start to maintain some lists, actually.
	Well, that way you can, when we do clips, we can say, oh, this guy is like either a dupe or a stooge from the CCP. A dupe or a stooge, one of the two.
	All right, now the CCP, of course, is slippery.
	The slippery bandits over there.
	So they are going to go through something that all terrorists do.
	Not calling them terrorists, but kind of making a connection.
	They're rebranding!
	Colleges and universities are closing down their Confucius Institutes in large numbers, but I'm not totally convinced that they have actually closed the institutes.
	I think there's a lot of evidence that they are pretty much rebranding their institutes, all the more so now that the Hanban, the Chinese government agency that oversees Confucius Institutes, is It's itself going through a rebranding process.
	It's being renamed the Ministry of Education Center for Language Exchange and Cooperation.
	And it's actually spinning off the Confucius Institutes to a separate organization, a new organization called the Chinese International Education Foundation, that is supposed to be a nonprofit.
	And this is the Hanban's attempt to stymie the criticism that these are being run by the Chinese government.
	I suspect Confucius Institutes will operate pretty much exactly the same as they have operated in the past.
	But colleges and universities, I think, are going to start rebranding their Confucius Breaking up those programs and scattering them among newly created centers, I think this is something that we're going to have to watch very closely as Confucius Institutes continue to generate criticism.
	Yeah, and I'm sure there'll be some expose on the Thousand Talents program, and apparently there's only dozens of investigations right now.
	They're investigating NASA, they're investigating NIH. Especially the NIH investigation for corrupt researchers or research that has not been disclosed or double-dipping on the research.
	All of this will come up eventually.
	Yeah, it's coming out.
	Not if Biden gets in.
	Well, no.
	Hello.
	Not mentioned much in regard to China.
	But there's a lot of Silicon Valley money now going to India.
	Taking it away from China, I am just presuming, or hedging maybe, just in case.
	China is also starting to attack India.
	No one's really talking about that, or at least not a lot in our mainstream.
	No, so we can't get a lot of stuff to deconstruct.
	There's no clips.
	I mean, there's a New York Times article.
	How slanted will that be?
	But they, you know, we'll see what happens there.
	But it's pretty aggressive what's taking place.
	Pretty aggressive.
	And then the final thing I have, this actually came over, it's just a funny clip.
	This is the guy Andrew Marr, is it Marr?
	In the UK? Not Andrew Marr.
	Well, anyways, last name's Mar.
	Mar is his talk show.
	And he has the ambassador to the UK, the Chinese ambassador to the UK, Liao Xiaming, On the show, and he wants the ambassador to explain the footage that everyone has now probably seen, the drone footage of what apparently is Uyghur prisoners who are blindfolded, kneeled, head-shaven, being herded onto trains.
	Did you see this footage?
	I did not.
	It's pretty graphic.
	And I guess it's been verified.
	I don't know who did it or where it's coming from.
	But he brought in the Chinese ambassador to the UK and said, all right, now you've got to take a look at this footage and tell me what's going on here.
	Now here's a guy who knows that one wrong word will have his head cut off.
	Let's look at some very disturbing drone footage that's been widely shared around the world.
	This is almost certainly over northern China, over Xinjiang.
	Can you tell us what is happening here?
	I cannot see, you know, this is not the first time you show me.
	I still remember last year you show me what is happening in Xinjiang.
	But let me tell you this.
	Xinjiang.
	Have you been to Xinjiang yourself?
	No, I never have.
	You know, Xinjiang is regarded as the most beautiful place in Xinjiang.
	There's a Chinese saying...
	You do not know how big China is.
	Ambassador, that is not beautiful coverage, however, is it?
	You know, Xinjiang...
	That is exactly what I'm going to tell you.
	Since 1990, Xinjiang has completely changed because there's thousands of terrorist attacks.
	That was 10 years ago.
	Can I ask you why people are kneeling, blindfolded, unshaven?
	It's for the hair trade, obviously.
	And being led to trains in modern China.
	What is going on there?
	I do not know where you get this video tape.
	You know, sometimes you have a transfer of prisons and prisoners, you know, in any country.
	But what is happening here, Ambassador?
	I do not know.
	Why did you get this?
	These have been going around the world.
	They've been authenticated by Western intelligence agencies and by Australian experts who say these are Ouija people.
	Let me tell you this.
	He should learn how to say, look, so-called Western intelligence, keeping up, make this a false acquisition against China.
	Is that...
	One million more victims has been persecuted.
	You know, how big, how many population Xinjiang has?
	It's just about 40 years ago, it's 4-5 million.
	Now it's 11 million people.
	And people say, you know, we impose, we have an ethnic cleansing, but the population hasn't.
	Doubled in 40 years.
	I'm so sorry to interrupt, but according to your own local government statistics, the population growth in Uyghur jurisdictions in that area has fallen by 84% between 2015 and 2018.
	84%.
	That's not right.
	I give you an official figure.
	You ask me, I give you this figure as a Chinese ambassador.
	This is a very popular figure.
	In the past 40 years, the Uyghur population increased, the population in Xinjiang increased To double.
	The population doubled.
	So there's no so-called restriction of the population.
	There's no so-called false abortion and so on.
	Why are you laughing?
	Shut up.
	Classic.
	Shut up.
	Wow, man.
	Poor guy.
	It's an ambush.
	They do the BBC likes to do this.
	It's their style of journalism.
	We never do something like that.
	It's too rude.
	No, we try to ambush Fauci.
	Yeah, we just ambush, or keep asking the same question, hopes he opens his screws up.
	Over and over and over again, exactly.
	Oh my goodness.
	Okay.
	Now that's kind of what I have on China.
	They're still asshole, as far as I'm concerned.
	And we're at war.
	We are definitely, and look at, we just heard about all that integration.
	They've snuck up on us, man.
	It's been at least 20 years, if not 30 years in the making.
	We do need a whole-of-society approach.
	Well, not unless people start paying attention.
	Without the media, which has spent all this time hounding Trump trying to get Joe Biden to be president and put China back in charge, it's not going to happen.
	We actually do need the media for this.
	We have to start marching journalists out or something.
	We have to shame them publicly when they've been in cahoots.
	Well...
	But notice Barr didn't say the media.
	It was only Hollywood, tech, and academia.
	Could the media be next?
	Could they be on deck?
	Well, a lot of people have them on deck.
	We do.
	Yes, of course.
	That's why we're the best podcast in the universe.
	And with that...
	Emphasizing the word podcast.
	I'd like to thank you for your courage to say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in the Confucian Institute, John C. Dvorak.
	Well, in the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	Also in the morning to all boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	Yes, in the morning to our trolls in the troll room.
	Trusty is always handing me one-liners.
	I love it.
	Let us count.
	1825, about 100 lower than I'd like to see him, but thank you for being there, trolls.
	If you're wondering how you can become a troll...
	Well, if you have to wonder, don't worry.
	You are one.
	Go to noagendastream.com.
	You can log in there to the chat room and listen to the 24-7 stream, which has a lot of live shows, but also a podcast, but everything kind of runs in tandem, so you can sit there and troll along with each other.
	There's always someone in there.
	And ask Doug for an invite to noagendasocial.com, our federated...
	Federated, what do I call it, social network, which you're on.
	You are actively posting there.
	Yeah, I'm going to probably stop posting if I keep getting harassed by jerks that are in that chat room.
	I'm sorry, I didn't know you got harassed.
	Who was a jerk to you?
	This will not stand.
	I blocked the two guys.
	I mentioned their names by name.
	I said I blocked them both.
	What did they do?
	Oh, it's just being argumentative, you know.
	Like, oh no, Trump's a bastard.
	You know, just being argumentative about the number of things.
	It's not going down because we're all going to die of COVID. Nice.
	That's not what the charts show.
	You don't know what you're talking about!
	Nice.
	Well.
	That guy.
	Those guys.
	So if you want a piece of that action, sign up for NoGendasocial.com.
	So I bitched at Mona.
	I had a bunch.
	I said, this is becoming like Reddit.
	Yeah.
	And so everyone comes in.
	Oh, no, no.
	It's not like Reddit.
	Reddit's bad.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Big in the morning to Jordan 33, who brought us the artwork for episode 1260.
	The title of that was Pre-Decisional, which is where the fourth stimulus package is at this moment.
	It's pre-decisional.
	And by the way, I spoke to the former New York banker.
	He says the only thing that is stopping the fourth package is how much the states are going to get.
	Because the states are in such dire straits with all of the, you know, pensions and healthcare for the government workers, for the teachers.
	It's got to be the bond collapse we've been predicting for the last decade.
	Well, and I said, so that's the bond collapse?
	It's not going to happen.
	They're going to pump so much money into the states, it won't be funny.
	No.
	Apparently, he's right.
	Because the Bond collapse doesn't look like it's going to happen.
	Oh, by the way, back to the No Agenda chat room.
	The thing that bugs me when somebody goes like this, I used to listen to this show until...
	Then they have some example of something they didn't like.
	But I don't think they ever listened to the show to begin with.
	Wait a minute.
	There's people on No Agenda Social who say, I used to listen to the show until?
	Yeah.
	No, that's totally Reddit.
	That's totally the Reddit people who are in there.
	Which is fine.
	Which is fine.
	No, they have to be blocked.
	Not kind of blocked.
	Oh, blocked individually.
	Yeah, you can do whatever you want.
	Absolutely.
	That's the whole point.
	Yeah, I'm going to put a block list together.
	I'm going to advise everyone to block these people.
	Okay.
	Get rid of them.
	Oh, now you're talking.
	I enjoy having you in No Agenda Social, so I try.
	Yeah, well, I won't be there long if these Reddit people take it over.
	Okay, okay.
	We'll work on it.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't know what to say.
	Now, thanking for the artwork, Jordan 33, the, as I said, pre-decisional episode 1260.
	This was one that popped.
	It was the best.
	I don't know.
	There were other things, but nothing really came together into something cohesive.
	This was the Orange Man bad Nike t-shirt with 33 as the number.
	It really did stand out.
	Yeah.
	And the reason for the Orange Man bad is now that the sports teams can put their own social justice slogan on instead of their name.
	Some basketball player has got to put that on there.
	I hope so.
	Don't you think?
	Yeah, of course.
	Of course.
	It'd be beautiful.
	It'd be beautiful.
	Hey, I just wanted to read a little thing here.
	Hold on a second.
	I had something really exciting, just as we're talking about value for value and the show.
	One of our producers, let me see if I can find, who I cannot name, and you'll know why in a second.
	I draw comics for DC Comics and been working on a huge Batman Joker series coming out in August.
	The book is a huge deal for DC and they're betting this will be their biggest seller of the year.
	I ended up drawing a bunch of different variant covers, which are more rare and sold in certain stores.
	I don't know anything about this.
	I wanted to show you this one, which I will not post, of course, featuring the Joker and a bomb with the magic number on the clock face.
	I did that specifically to honor the show and also to see if anything happens when I put that out on the cover of a book.
	Maybe the Illuminati will contact me.
	Within the three issue series, I've put a bunch of different hidden no agenda Easter eggs, mostly in the form of graffiti on the walls of Gotham's seedy backstreets.
	Anyways, I'm a big fan.
	Thought you might enjoy.
	I'm working on donating soon.
	This is value right here, man.
	Did I get a copy of this?
	Of this email?
	No.
	Oh, well, thanks for nothing, comic book guy.
	No, I'm going to send it to you.
	I'm going to forward you the...
	Yeah, but I want to...
	Okay.
	I want an autographed copy of one of these covers.
	Me too.
	This is how...
	I mean, I'm not a comic book guy, but I know that comic book people kind of get all jitty about stuff like this.
	Particularly if it's got...
	I want to mention...
	Okay, yeah, I agree.
	You're totally right.
	I just want to mention another...
	I want to mention...
	I used a Dan McCall piece for the newsletter.
	Dan...
	Oh, that's right.
	And that was a good piece.
	What was that again?
	I remember seeing it going, oh, I like...
	That was a woman...
	Oh, the mask.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, that was a dynamite piece.
	Yeah, she...
	He did a couple...
	He did the one with the Trump.
	The Trump in the...
	That kind of 60s lettering.
	Oh, wait.
	Isn't that...
	I thought that was...
	That was McCall.
	Is that McCall?
	Okay, alright.
	He doesn't do a lot.
	He's new.
	He's kind of new.
	I don't know who he is.
	Well, it's beautiful.
	We appreciate it.
	Noagendaartgenerator.com is just one of those many, many great producer initiatives that...
	I'm sorry?
	I should say, McCall did...
	He did one piece that is just...
	Every time I see it, I just look at his work.
	He only has about eight pieces he's submitted.
	But he did a piece where that Cleveland Indian, that big, smiling, dumb-looking Indian that's the mascot for the Cleveland Indian baseball team that's on the hat, called Chief Wahoo or whatever his name is.
	He did the same Chief only as Elizabeth Warren.
	No way.
	It's beautiful.
	I think I made a mistake, or there's something wrong in the credits, which I thought I'd fixed.
	I think it was Darren O'Neill who did the art.
	It wasn't Jordan 33.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	It was Darren O'Neill.
	Why does it say here?
	Yeah, it was Darren O'Neill.
	Yeah, but I just refreshed.
	Ah, I guess it was stuck in there.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry, Darren.
	Well, that's okay.
	We just made him sweat for a good five minutes.
	He was seething.
	I know he was seething.
	Well, eventually the troll room almost reached out and punched me in the face.
	Why is the troll room scrolling so fast?
	Oh, I see what's going on.
	Thank you.
	And by the way, it wasn't McCall who did the...
	No, it was Jordan 33.
	Yeah, it was Jordan 33.
	McCall did the football helmet.
	With the Cleveland unicorns on it.
	Oh, okay.
	So what we've established is we are...
	We don't know what we're doing!
	And with that, we'd like to thank our executive producers and associate executive producers for episode 1261.
	Well, you know, artists appreciate being chatted up.
	I'm sure they don't like being ignored.
	No, of course not.
	And neither does Tony Cabrera.
	He doesn't like being ignored.
	He's at the top of our list with a donation of $1,194.46, which...
	It's beyond a show number donation.
	Here's your latest share of the No Agenda Shop Profits.
	Yay!
	It's after midnight here, so I'll keep it short.
	Adam expects a renewed supply of neck gaiters soon to help you avoid stinky mask syndrome.
	And John, be on the lookout for your own No Agenda neck gaiter as well.
	Good, I'll wear it when I get it.
	Dealer's choice, jingle, and karma, please.
	So for those of you who are new to the show, NoAgendaShop.com is not owned or managed or controlled or operated by us or any No Agenda entity, but we have a cool deal where they use art from the art generator, and they coordinate with the artist.
	The artist gets a third of, I guess...
	Here we go.
	And somehow Tony Cabrera and his merry band of elves at No Agenda Shop can survive on their third.
	And it's highly appreciated.
	And Tony, would you do me a favor and send me an email?
	Because Rogan wants some gators.
	And so I'll give you his address.
	You can send those directly to him.
	And we've, let's see, he wants a random, just some random, random thing.
	What did you...
	What would you like for a random thing?
	I'd like to hear in a circle and tell a secret.
	Of course, he asked for one I don't have.
	You asked?
	Yeah, I did ask.
	Here we go.
	Oh, there's no winning.
	We don't like to foster a competitive atmosphere, but we laugh a lot.
	Now everyone hug and share a secret.
	You've got karma.
	Now for Anonymous, who comes in from Augsburg, Deutschland, has a very long note about the CCP. And let me see what I can get out of this.
	I don't think we have to read the whole thing.
	John and Adam, please keep me anonymous while I give you some perspectives on China.
	I'm a German based in Tokyo.
	Whenever I want to know about China, I love speaking to Germans who are in Japan.
	But he says, I think I have the right to call out crimes against humanity when I see them.
	Well, yes.
	China's new Hong Kong security law targets not only people in Hong Kong or Chinese people, but all people in the entire world.
	Yes, I think that's pretty well established now that even if you say something bad outside of China, if you step foot on Chinese territory, which could include Hong Kong, you could be arrested and thrown in the gulag.
	If the Chinese have their way, their territorial limits of enforcement are a temporary nuisance.
	In the long run, they want to establish Westphalian system of sovereign nation states.
	I've heard this term.
	Do you know what that means, the Westphalian system?
	Yeah, it refers to...
	It refers to the system that first started developing in Germany in his early pre-democracy.
	I know it's a historical term.
	You can look it up.
	Okay.
	But it's the roots of everything.
	It's a root of modern democracy.
	Okay.
	Well, that makes sense because he says...
	More generally, all people calling for one world government are working against the Westphalian system, which is right now akin to working in China's interest.
	Well, surprise, surprise!
	If Democrats and other leftists are calling for unity, they may do it for other reasons, but it has the same effects.
	Yes, that's certainly a political viewpoint, I think is correct.
	With China, the CCP is the actual problem, not the Chinese people.
	I disagree there.
	I used to think that too.
	There's probably this 90 million Chinese are a member of the CCP. That's your whole of society approach.
	And all of society has got to stand up against that.
	And the Chinese people, I have no specific problem.
	I'm generalizing.
	But they're pretty rude.
	And they think all the space is theirs.
	So I'm not bigoted.
	I'm just against them.
	That's not racist, is it?
	I can just be against it.
	Seems like it's racist.
	I'm trying not to be racist, but it's hard.
	Please support the people of Chinese origin like the guys from New Tang Dynasty Network.
	The world needs these.
	The CCP is the closest thing that can wreak massive havoc worldwide and deserves to be called evil.
	So it is indeed the enemy the West and its allies can be comfortable with.
	Well, we'll be the only people yelling in the darkness of podcasting, my friend, but here we are.
	Please make sure there are geishas and sake at the round table.
	Now, he's not on the list for knighting, so, I mean, I've highlighted him.
	We could just make him Sir Anonymous as well, because there's no...
	I mean, I don't know what to do here.
	It's obviously an instant knight situation.
	Yeah.
	I don't know what to do.
	I think we just put it in abeyance.
	Oh, in abeyance?
	Until we hear what he's asking for.
	That's my recommendation.
	Okay.
	We will wait for that.
	In the meantime, we will give you a big China's asshole!
	Donald Trump, don't trust China!
	China is asshole!
	There you go.
	Alright, so I have...
	Yeah.
	Oh, jeez.
	What?
	Okay, this is...
	This next one is actually a $100 donation.
	I look back on the note I sent to Eric, and it's $100.
	It's not on this list for here.
	I'm sorry?
	Do I need to take any action?
	What's going on?
	You need to take some action.
	What do I need to do?
	It's $1,000.
	It's not $1,000.
	It's $100.
	From Brandon?
	Yeah, Brandon.
	Nice try.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So then we move on to Michael Thomas, or do you want to read Brandon's note since we're here anyway?
	I know.
	Brandon's note is maybe later in the show, but it's not for this segment.
	It's my screw-up, too.
	That's all right.
	I went back to look at the note I sent to Erica of the checks, and I put $1,000 instead of $100.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Wishful thinking.
	So this spreadsheet needs to be revised by $900.
	You can bet that Brandon was sitting there going, what?!
	Where's my PayPal?
	Let me see what?
	Can you imagine that?
	It was a check.
	He sent it a check.
	And Dvorak slips a zero behind my 100.
	What's going on with those guys?
	Are you also in charge of Corona COVID testing in California by any chance?
	Because you're perfect for it.
	Yeah.
	We have 10 times many cases as tests.
	All right.
	Michael Thomas is on the list from Fort Wayne, Indiana.
	$3.55.
	Adam's appearance on the Tom Woods show reminded me that I hadn't donated.
	Mm-hmm.
	To the best podcast.
	Adam, thank you for going on that show.
	Yes.
	Hadn't donated to the best podcast for far too long.
	I don't know if it's how you two met, but I do remember emailing Adam about Tom's request for help with his podcast audio years ago, where I made my last donation.
	In fact, we talked about that on the show, and I remembered it quite well.
	Did you help him out?
	I did.
	I gave him a few pointers, you know, Podfather-like stuff.
	Forgive me, Podfather, for I have sinned.
	It's been 355 weeks since my last donation.
	This dollar for each week I've been a douche does not satisfy my debt for the value I've received all these years, but I take a promise that I will settle my outstanding obligations and join the roundtable soon.
	Thank you both for all you do to keep my amygdala right-sized, and thank you for the dames and the knights who have stayed your exit strategy all these years without my help.
	Please de-douche me.
	You've been de-douched.
	And he says he'd like a Pelosi-Jobs, I'm sorry, a Trump-Pelosi-Jobs karma with a goat twist to support his efforts at turning his hobby into a productive enterprise.
	Jobs.
	Jobs.
	And Jobs.
	Let's vote for Jobs!
	Jobs.
	Jobs.
	Karma.
	Why don't you read me the Kyle Davis $333.34 from Lake Stevens, Washington, while I go look up Mark Mensik in Arvada, Colorado, and see if he actually does have an email.
	All right.
	Kyle Davis, Lake Stevens, Washington, 333.34.
	He says he's tossing in his own extra penny, so he says, so you guys can keep your hot-eyed money.
	To push me to knighthood.
	Finally, after making a few other donations back in April around my birthday, I'd like to now be known as Sir22 of the PNW. That would be the Pacific Northwest.
	Request some Corona at the table.
	I hear it has antibodies for the Rona.
	Jingles.
	Okay, he wants Obama stuttering if-if-if-if.
	I think I have that one somewhere.
	Trump aroused.
	Oh, it's one of those days.
	Okay, Trump aroused.
	Let me guess.
	Biden whole load.
	Yeah, Biden whole load.
	And some jobs karma from my co-workers at Boeing who are getting laid off this month and in the next month.
	He actually sent me a longer email.
	It's really bad.
	The 747 production has entirely stopped.
	I think they're only planning on making seven 737s.
	I mean, 2020 is a huge cut.
	Just a chasm has been created in aviation.
	It's going to be very, very, very bad.
	People aren't going to want to fly that much anymore.
	It's going to be bad.
	So, yes, of course, we have some jobs karma for you.
	If we fall for...
	It was hard to get it aroused, and it is hard to get it aroused, but we got it aroused.
	I'm going to give you the whole load.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Yay!
	Eat that.
	Karma.
	Mark Mensik in Arvada came in at 348.16.
	He's a knight!
	And he did send an email in, which I will refer to.
	With this donation, I joined the roundtable.
	Nice.
	Of esteemed Damon Nice accounting a test.
	A truly humbling honor.
	I would like to be dubbed Sir Mile High Mark.
	Okay.
	I don't know if he's listed as that.
	Yes, I have it on my notes as such.
	Oh, there you go.
	If it pleased the caterer of the round table, I'd appreciate a medium-rare ribeye and a goodnight Imperial Red IPA at the Feast of the Dames and Knights.
	Okay, so he's got that.
	I've got the medium rare ribeye and Gnite Imperial IPA. It has been...
	Red.
	Oh, red.
	Gnite Imperial Red.
	Dan, he wants some jingles.
	Sorry about that.
	But they're Foamer.
	He's got more to write, so I'm going to give you the jingles.
	Yeah, it's good.
	Foamer, Sharpton Mint Tulips, and China is Ass Ho.
	Okay.
	That's Fomer and Juleps.
	Priest throwing some job karma for my son Tom and human resource goat karma for my son and his wife Brittany.
	Some Tom and Brittany are expecting a child in November.
	Nice.
	No agenda shows provided the balance and reason analysis that they keep me grounded during the COVID crisis.
	I can honestly say that without your bi-weekly Thursday shows, I would be much the worse for wear.
	Most of my friends and family are so far down the M5MOMB rabbit hole Oh, yeah.
	That there is no reasoning with them.
	No.
	So I don't.
	Yes, that's right.
	That's the healthy way to go.
	Yeah.
	Or as they say, F them.
	The show has been a refuge for sanity and reason since my son Tom hit me in the mouth a few years ago.
	Nice.
	A recent producer sent a note stating his wife would kill him if she knew he had donated enough money to become a knight.
	I had to chuckle because my smoking hot wife would feel the same way.
	Uh-oh.
	She's an...
	She's an ardent listener and contributor to our local public radio affiliate, Colorado Propaganda, or China Public, or I'm sorry, Colorado Public Radio.
	And we have contributed to CPR at least as much as I have contributed to the No Agenda show.
	Anyways, I am proud to be a member of the NA tribe because let's keep fighting the good fight, love and light.
	All right.
	Oh my God!
	Listen to that horn!
	They sit out on the sidewalk sipping mint tulips.
	Chinese asshole!
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Yeah!
	That's a lot of goat.
	A lot of goat.
	Goat galore.
	A lot of goat also with Julian Erickson is in East Boston, Massachusetts at $333.33.
	He writes, This is Jobs Karma Payback from November of 2019.
	I was hired in January by an incredible company that could not be happier.
	I could not be happier.
	This is a portion of my hiring bonus to be reinvested back into the continuous success of the show.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, thank you very much.
	To all the listeners receiving checks from the government, take notice.
	Jobs Karma works.
	Consider donating now more than ever because the universe rewards those who give value for value.
	My wife...
	My wife and I welcomed a baby girl born in March during the peak of this pandemic.
	What fun!
	And my father is battling cancer successfully, but visiting him with our newborn has not been possible due to the Rona.
	So I humbly request the following jingles.
	F cancer for my dad.
	Another jobs karma to ensure my new role stays in good standing.
	And thank you for the incredible work you both do on the show.
	Love and light, Julian.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got karma.
	Joe Divernio in Cornelius, North Carolina.
	A lot of North Carolina people listen to this show.
	I really think that's great.
	Wine country.
	Hey, you know what?
	North Carolina, today...
	Kanye West doing his first presidential run rally in North Carolina.
	Oh.
	It's hopping.
	North Carolina is trending.
	It's trending.
	Anyway, he writes, First off, I want to thank John for the accent that accompanied the note with my last donation.
	I loved it.
	I donated almost...
	Is that the one where I did the tough guy voice?
	I think so, yeah.
	He's in North Carolina?
	I don't know.
	He liked it.
	I loved it.
	I donated almost a month ago today and I forgot to ask for a dedouching.
	Please dedouche me.
	You've been dedouched.
	I'm not going to recover that accent.
	For my last donation, and because of the reach of your tribe, I connected with a friend from elementary school who also listens.
	Shout out to Vincent Slovaglio.
	Vincent Slovaglio.
	I'm sending in this second donation as a thank you for keeping my amygdala small.
	I had multiple noodle guns shot at me this week on the interwebs, but thanks to you guys, I don't buy into this nonsense.
	Or MSM bullshit as I like to call it.
	One is an old friend from college who said I changed because I don't think all the cops are corrupt.
	He also didn't think that I was against that Suchia AOC. That's it.
	Suchia AOC. In another instance, I challenged the kid's idea that all Trump voters are racists.
	When I turned his argument against him using the same idea, but with Biden's terrible traits, he barked off and urged that we continue to do the work.
	Ha!
	He even quoted it in his comment.
	I felt like I was living a Noodle Gun episode.
	Thankfully, it did reveal those I know that are not buying into the current sheepish BS. Could I please get the Italian accent Noodle Gun jingle with some goat karma?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And I'm sorry, it's South Carolina.
	Where Kanye is.
	The truffle room finally got caught up here.
	The truffle room.
	Exactly.
	Here we go!
	I'm gonna shoot you in the face with my noodle gun, you racist piece of shit.
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	I'm surprised that doesn't get requested more, actually.
	It is pretty good.
	It is pretty funny.
	I like it.
	Kristen Smith in Blyton, Lincolnshire, UK, 33333.
	Good donations today.
	Thank you.
	Nice notes.
	There's not much to say for the $1,000 one.
	There's not much to say from the Gitmo Nation East.
	It's time for us to mask up and hope that we don't catch the retreating virus.
	We can now go to a bar or restaurant mask-free, but no, we can't get groceries without one?
	Yeah.
	Huh.
	It's interesting that here, like in the US, they are promoting the number of cases rather than the number of deaths.
	It did make me chuckle when John put our numbers in the newsletter.
	The problem in the UK is that the Daily Mail is more ridiculed in the mainstream media than Fox News is in the US. Just remember, we have to pay a fee for just having a TV. Hello?
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	If you're watching TV from another country, I'm trying my best to hit people in the mouth, so here's a donation to make my life easier.
	You both do such a better job than I ever could.
	Playing the No Agenda show makes so many people realize the lame-ass Media, she writes U.S. spelling instead of arse, media aren't letting them know the truth.
	Dealer's choice on the jingles is you seem surprised that I didn't ask for anything last time.
	Sometimes...
	The message is more than the jingles.
	Well, this is true.
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	Christian could be a guy.
	Very possible.
	Okay, just, I don't know, dealer's choice.
	I guess you're up again, dealer's choice.
	I think the beaches are open.
	Okay, that is a classic.
	Yes, the beaches are back open!
	Woohoo!
	You've got karma.
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	Anonymous, 33333.
	Uh, shout out to the following podcast.
	OBDM, Ryan Dawson, quite frankly, and Owen Benjamin.
	Okay.
	Jobs, karma for all.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
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	I wonder which of those four podcasts he does.
	Uh...
	Neil Chapman in Exeter, Devin, he becomes our first executive, associate executive producer.
	He's also a Brit.
	23456.
	ITM to both of you.
	For the great shows of late, you're helping me stay sane.
	Could I get some health karma for my dad as he is going to be in the hospital this week for eye surgery?
	Mm-hmm.
	Keep up the excellent analysis.
	He's getting what kind of surgery?
	Yeah.
	I'm sorry, what kind of surgery?
	Yeah, what kind of eye surgery?
	Yes, of course we have that.
	Lots of it for him.
	You've got karma.
	Tristan Onions Martins.
	So the Onion Knight from Milwaukee.
	Milwaukee.
	And this is another interesting twist here.
	23260.
	This was not listed on the back office note, but Tristan Onion-Martin says, ITM, assuming I moved the beads correctly on this abacus, this donation should bring me to knighthood.
	Instead of Tristan Onion-Martin's, I would like to now be known as Sir Onion, Knight of the Good Land, up-norter.
	Pending availability.
	At the roundtable, I would love to see brazzy bites and some of that good old Wisconsin string cheese.
	With the whole 2020 situation, I have too many things I need to say.
	I will try to support brevity.
	F the media, F mask, and F the noodlers.
	My smoking...
	F-ing gorgeous wife, Mrs.
	Onion, could use some jobs karma.
	The Mrs.
	and I recently just celebrated our 18th anniversary, although I have been trying for months to get her in the No Agenda Club.
	I fear I have been unsuccessful thus far.
	This is my tertiary objective for our next 18 years.
	For myself, I'd be happy with some of that good, creamy, stereo goat karma.
	Tristan Onion Martin, Sir Onion, Knight of the Good Land, up in order to be...
	Why is he not in blue, and did his abacus not match up, or is this just an oversight?
	I have no idea.
	You're asking the wrong guy.
	Well, I've put him on the list, and if we're wrong, then we'll figure that out.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	He needs some good, creamy goat karma.
	Oh, goat karma for him.
	You've got...
	Oh, wait.
	Karma.
	And, uh, his smoking hot wife needed jobs, Karma.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
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	Sir Seedsitter2033.
	Huh.
	He, uh...
	It says, ITM, when my blood oath successfully got me a Twitter follow back from the Podfather, I knew I had to send a donation sooner than planned.
	All hail the almighty Podfather.
	Listen, there's some bitching on Twitter, and one of them was, Curry only follows nights.
	I'm like, no, I don't.
	I haven't really added to my followers in a very long time, except sometimes someone says something Nasty about me.
	I won't block them.
	I won't reply.
	I'll just follow them.
	I think it confuses people.
	Why did he follow me?
	That's weird.
	Well, that's an interesting approach.
	Yeah.
	So I followed Sir Seat Sitter, and this is the result.
	Well, maybe you should start following everybody.
	Anybody that wants to be followed by Adam, send in a donation and he'll follow you for sure.
	No, that's not how it works.
	Yeah!
	Sir Seatsitter continues, a message to the douchebags out there who are still freeloading.
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	Now, we have a special thing here, don't we?
	Don't we have something we want to do here?
	There's a make good on the note from Eric or something.
	Yeah, yes, this is a special request from Sam Lewis.
	Actually, before the special request, I just want to make sure to thank...
	These producers and executive producers and associate executive producers for supporting and producing at that level show 1261.
	Indeed.
	Sorry, I was blowing my nose while you were saying that.
	And for those who are executive producers and associate...
	Stop a second.
	We've got to have a powwow.
	Powwow.
	Powwow.
	You're going to blow your nose.
	Blow your nose around the mic because it's quite funny.
	I blew...
	No!
	Oh, I didn't hear it.
	No, because I had my mute pedal.
	I'm not going to blow my nose while I'm on the air.
	Oh, yeah.
	No!
	No, I do it all the time.
	You get a kick out of it.
	No!
	Hey, these executive producer and associate executive producer credits are real ones.
	Please use them where appropriate.
	And institutions that know what these are about will recognize them.
	If there's any question whatsoever, we'll be happy to vouch for you.
	And thank you for producing, as executive producers and associate executive producers, episode 1261 of The No Agenda Show, the best podcast in the universe.
	Now with a new website!
	A damn good one, too.
	Everything you wanted to do on that website, including a player.
	You can search the transcripts.
	We've got even synchronized troll room comments during the show if you want to listen to it live.
	The download link is back.
	Everything is great.
	Thank you, Producer Tim.
	Something coming for him.
	Now, this came in a few weeks ago, and there was a donation attached to it, and we had promised on this day to do this special request.
	A request from Sam Lewis, who says, Just completing a firearm safety class, she is now in the market for self-protection.
	Any suggestions?
	Well, you should go to noagendasocial.com and ask the people there.
	They are much more skilled at that.
	We have two wonderful homeschooled human resources together, Silver and Smith, ages 6 and 2.
	We're going through some bumpy times right now.
	As two and a half years ago I committed to remodeling our house, doing the work myself, I've realized it's harder than it looks.
	No kidding.
	And I'm a dude named Ben that didn't have construction experience.
	What?
	Whoa!
	Only a love for tools.
	Yeah, a family member, contractor of 30 years, offered his help.
	Unfortunately, he did such a piss-poor job that I had to redo much of the work.
	That and the Rona added six months to the project.
	Through it all, Sarah and our kids have been living with her lefty CNN-quoting mother in Reading.
	Oh my gosh, this is disastrous.
	They're not getting along.
	I live on the construction site and visit when I can.
	There have been many days when I felt I couldn't continue the remodel and wanted to give up, but my MILF has been so supportive, we try to look at the silver lining in it all.
	The struggle does help you to appreciate your significant other more so when times are easy.
	Like dudes named Ben, contractors are very important.
	Problem is, there's not enough of them and it seems most are shady characters.
	I don't know.
	Dudes named Ben, I don't think, are shady characters.
	There should be more of them, but my guess is they were pushed to college for a lucrative degree in gender studies.
	We need to refund all that wasted tuition and enroll them in vocation school.
	They could become plumbers and flush that gender studies degree down the same toilet they learned to install.
	As an aside, I'm with Trump on reducing water consumption regulation for toilets.
	Think about this.
	Which uses more water?
	A single two-gallon flush on a number two job or ten flushes on a 0.8-gallon low-flow toilet?
	Does Queen Pelosi and Lord Newsom flush ten times?
	I don't think so.
	What kind of toilets do they have?
	Kitmo Nation deserves to know.
	And then finally, on to the reason I made the big donation and the note that is a tad too long...
	Sarah and I did the family planning thing sort of in reverse.
	After six years of being a MILF, I'm finally ready to make Dame Sarah an M-I-L-M, mother I'd like to marry.
	So with this donation, I hereby ask Dame Sarah for her hand in marriage.
	Thank you, Adam and John.
	couples that donate together have children and then get married together.
	With a slide whistle assists.
	you Congratulations.
	I hope she says yes after all that.
	Can you imagine?
	Luckily, he hounded us about this enough.
	That we even had a little music prepared.
	No, it's because he had mentioned this in a note like three weeks ago.
	Can you put my donation off to this date?
	Because I'm going to ask my...
	My betrothed to marry me.
	Yes.
	And I'm thinking, oh God, we've dropped the ball on this.
	We've messed up these things so many times.
	We never do this right because we don't do preparation.
	Yeah, the show's ad-libbed.
	Well, except for our own content.
	So luckily, he's smart enough, I'm going to say this, and I know people, if you're going to try to pull a stunt like this, You really have to be aggressive with us.
	You have to just hound us.
	And it's not because we're bad people.
	In fact, I will mention this.
	I'm going to look back here.
	I do have, I searched for him on the emails, and he sent in, I think, about six notes.
	Yeah, I'm sure.
	Of course, of course.
	He may even have anyone listening live.
	Okay, here's starting on July 10th, just for the record.
	July 10th, he sends a note in with a marriage proposal.
	Yeah.
	Another note on July, oh, you sent him something back on July 12th saying, okay.
	And then on the 14th, he sends something in.
	And then on the 18th, he sends a note in.
	And then the 19th, he sends in two notes with reminder, reminder.
	I got it too.
	And I will say, well actually the two reminders should have been on the 18th, but yeah, I hate to say this.
	But that's what you have to do if you really want to make sure.
	I think we would have pulled it off, but then again the likelihood, it's about a 50-50 shot unless you do that.
	And the reason is because we have no producers of this show.
	We don't have a staff.
	That is the beauty of the No Agenda show, and I... I encourage you to listen to the Tom Woods episode I did where I reiterate how our show was put together and the importance of all producers because that's really how it works.
	And I was even telling The Keeper last night, the producers, they've trained themselves, they know how to do things so well, from clips to even sending me, if you send a link, it's either queued up To the time code or someone will send a list of time codes.
	I mean, this is what producers do.
	People who say, hey, this is great, and send me a link to a two-hour podcast.
	Listen to this two-hour podcast.
	Lots of good clips in here.
	Have a listen.
	So just think like a producer because that's what you are.
	And we thank, of course, Sam because that was beautiful and we feel privileged to be a part of that.
	We hope she said yes.
	Let us know.
	And that's a typical no-agenda experience from a guy who draws Batman DC Comics covers to a guy who is a...
	Programmer and tried to build a house.
	It's fantastic.
	We are the misfits of society and proud of it.
	And you can support us by going to the following website address.
	If you want to get married, you know where to go.
	It's probably not with us.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Well, I want to do a little segment on Kaylee.
	A weekly segment.
	Oh, can I play the jingle since we don't have...
	Yes, it's good enough for the jingle.
	Oh, okay.
	This is good.
	Kaylee Jingle.
	There it is.
	is.
	I should have her on the standby.
	Okay.
	Kaylee, you will never say you're sorry.
	Kaylee, you and the video will never be friends.
	Drop your mic and don't pretend that this press conference came to a natural place.
	Hey, I wanted to mention about Kaylee.
	Someone had a close-up picture of her binder.
	Did you see this?
	I put it in the show notes, actually.
	Oh, my God.
	She has, it must be 50 tabs.
	It's fantastic.
	Let me see.
	I think I can bring it up here.
	It's all these...
	Here, I'll tell you what some other tabs are.
	I think you were tagged on this.
	It was a Twitter post.
	But I know you're too busy.
	I know what you're in the social.
	So it's a...
	It's a candid shot and I'll just read you some of the tabs.
	Absurd, BLM, ballot, cases, CDC, China, COVID, can't read, test, early, econ, election, Flynn, golf, Goya, hatch, hate, health.
	Carl, LGBT, lies, Mary, can't read, Obama, PPE, privilege, reopen, Russia, I see schedule, universities, system, I mean, wins.
	She is, it's almost like the show notes.
	It's like she's doing a podcast, someone throws something at her, she goes to the right tab, bam, and she's got it.
	Is the one that says Carl with a K? Yes.
	Yeah, that's because it's about John Carl.
	Ah, the Jonathan Carl from ABC News?
	And Jonathan Carl is stepping down, or I think his term is up, as they headed the White House Press Association.
	And so they brought him on to the...
	And he's never like this woman.
	And so I think that tab is for him in case he gets a question at the end.
	She flips to it and has some nasty things to say about it.
	Right, right.
	And he is a jerk, so he shows up on The View, and I think he sent the word out, and I think you're going to start seeing this, to start blasting her for being a bonehead and a mean person and no good.
	She's no good.
	So here's the attack on Kaylee by John Carl on The View.
	It's his own network, right?
	It's ABC? It's his own network.
	Yeah, it is coincidentally.
	So your tenure as president of the White House Correspondents Association has ended, and you've worked with 14 different press secretaries in all different administrations.
	You just wrote also an op-ed on this for the Washington Post.
	What do you say in the op-ed that we should know?
	Okay.
	Well, I'm concerned that the White House briefings have become political events.
	I have kind of maybe a naive, old-fashioned notion that the White House press secretary is a public servant paid for by the taxpayers, and the job is to provide information about what the president is doing and what the executive branch is doing, but not to be a political spokesperson.
	You are not the spokesperson for a campaign or a political party.
	You do represent the president's views to the press, but you also have a duty to inform the American people through the press, which most people get most of their information from.
	And these press conferences have become an effort to vilify the press, to try to discredit the press.
	Not to really give much information, but to give a political message of the day.
	And I wouldn't normally pick a fight with a White House press secretary, except on an issue I'm asking about in a briefing.
	But this concerns me not so much for what's happening now, but I hope this doesn't become the way going forward.
	We have to get back to the notion that the White House press secretary is ultimately a public servant and not a political spokesperson.
	Wow.
	What is this all about?
	This is dumb.
	This has never been a good civil servant who is working for the American people.
	What is this?
	He's an idiot.
	I don't like this.
	I mean, this guy's really corrupt.
	But the word goes out, and so now we're going to see everybody blasting this woman, and we'll take her right down to the Breakfast Club with Charlemagne.
	Oh, the God!
	Calling her out as an incompetent bonehead.
	Oh, you!
	It's a breakfast club, bitches!
	Who's donkey of the day today?
	Donkey of the day for Friday, July 17th goes the White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McIney.
	McNanny.
	Kaley McNanny?
	McNanny makes me laugh.
	If you're calling someone a donkey, you might want to know their name, Charlamagne.
	Know what Nanny used to mean in school.
	Anyway, Kaley is a prime example of the era we live in.
	Someone who is underqualified to be in the position that they are in.
	The primary responsibility of the White House press secretary is to act as a spokesperson for the U.S. government, especially in regards to the president.
	The problem with every single person in the Trump administration is one thing.
	They are all scared to speak out against the president.
	If the president is wrong, they won't tell him.
	If the president makes a mistake, they won't admit he made a mistake.
	Okay?
	America, you cannot love your party over the country.
	It shouldn't matter what side you on.
	America is in shambles right now.
	This better be an ad.
	Coronavirus don't care if we Democrat or Republican.
	Hell, the economy don't care if you're Democrat or Republican.
	Trauma doesn't care if you're Democrat or Republican.
	Being sick physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, those ailments don't care if you are a Democrat or Republican.
	We have a lack of leadership in this country like I've never seen before, and it is showing.
	Wow, that was a live read.
	He got paid for that.
	He didn't even know how to pronounce her name.
	That's shameful.
	It was terrible.
	He goes on and then he also exaggerates.
	She made a flub.
	And by the way, not shameful that he's ragging on Kaylee.
	I don't care about that.
	But the fact that he didn't even know her name and he's just reading a script, that's lame.
	Yeah, well, anyway, he ragged on her over a flub she made when she said, school reopening...
	The science shouldn't stand in the way?
	Something like that?
	Yeah, the science shouldn't stand in the way.
	And then she goes on about how the science is for...
	The wordage was the science doesn't stand in the way.
	Right.
	She said shouldn't.
	She read it.
	Right.
	And she read the wrong words and she said shouldn't instead of doesn't.
	And he made a big stink about that.
	Did she correct herself?
	It doesn't stand in the way.
	And then she said the science...
	Anyway, the science confirms that you could do it.
	She actually is...
	Don't forget, she has a law degree.
	She's been a PR person, a spokeswoman before in the White House.
	She was with the campaign.
	Unqualified is hardly the case.
	But we'll let it go because we're going to see a lot of...
	Because they don't like her because she's too good.
	Because she's good.
	Yeah.
	Let's listen to two clips I have of her.
	One is Kaylee on the Hatch Act.
	A question that flows from two events that we saw recently that we wouldn't have seen at previous White Houses.
	The first was the campaign meeting in the Cabinet Room last month, and then the political speech in the Rose Garden.
	Can you talk about your understanding of what the White House policy is for this White House as far as Politics.
	Is there any place in the White House where you think politics is inappropriate?
	Where do you draw the line?
	We act in accordance with the Hatch Act.
	It's well established that the President and Vice President are not subject to the Hatch Act.
	It says this much in the Hatch Act.
	It says that the Hatch Act applies to executive branch employees, which is defined in the Hatch Act as employee, meaning any individual other than the President and the Vice President.
	So his speech and those are entirely appropriate.
	The Hatch Act It has nothing to do with this, though.
	What?
	It has everything to do with this.
	Go read the Hatch Act.
	That's what you're alleging is problematic for the president.
	Your real problem was, was the fact that the president gave a very good, powerful speech from the Rose Garden.
	Was the hat was the moaning with the hat check because the Trump had sent a bill from Mar-a-Lago?
	No, I think it really stems back to his doing the speech from the Rose Garden.
	It just seemed promotional, even though you proved that it wasn't in the last show, but that's beside the point.
	And then I think sitting around with Goya products, I didn't think.
	Oh, by the way, Goya products?
	Do you know what's in Goya products?
	Human people.
	Close.
	No, MSG. There's MSG in everything.
	Well, I'm not a big fan.
	Well, it depends on how it's derived.
	I mean, do you ever put mushrooms in your food?
	Well, it's different when it says it on the container.
	It's not just a derivative or anything.
	It says it has a monosodium glutamate.
	I thought that that was...
	It gives me a headache, typically.
	Oh, does it?
	Yeah.
	But only if I get it from, like, a restaurant, I would say, like, Kung Fu.
	Well, they very rarely put MSG and Chinese food in the Bay Area.
	Okay, well, they don't use it.
	Anyway.
	That's my advice.
	Of course.
	It was an aside.
	It's not a customer complaint.
	Um...
	Now here is Kaylee and this is her walk-off and there's something very unusual.
	I want you to listen for it.
	When she's going to answer a question or she's going to go into her thing and then do a walk-off, and then there's something strange that happens at the walk-off.
	Just pay very careful attention.
	The database, public data that's been out there, it'll continue to be public.
	It should be public.
	And this is all about getting more data out there, not less data, and ensuring in particular that our doctors get that daily data.
	Stop the clip for a second.
	So, you don't know what she's talking about.
	She's talking about the CDC reporting, so it's going to go through the what to the health services, and then it's going to go to the CDC, even though the media, and Maxine Waters in particular, the CDC is being cut out of the loop!
	When in fact, they're not getting cut out of anything.
	So she's explaining it.
	The database, public data that's been out there, it'll continue to be public.
	It should be public.
	And this is all about getting more data out there, not less data, and ensuring in particular that our doctors get that daily data.
	And one thing that I'd also like to point out for everyone is just with regard to testing, we've done more than 42 million tests, as I noted.
	The second highest number is 12 million from India.
	We're leading the world in testing.
	It's a very stark contrast, and the President mentioned this yesterday, so I just wanted to put some additional information out there.
	It's actually CBS reporting that in 2009, under Obama-Biden quotes, and this is CBS reporting, CDC abruptly advised states to stop So while this president's surge testing under the Obama administration, they stopped testing entirely.
	And Ron Klain, Vice President Biden's former chief of staff, said this.
	It is purely a fortuity that H1N1 isn't one of the great mass casualty events in American history.
	It had nothing to do with us doing anything right.
	This is former VP Biden's chief of staff.
	It just had to do with luck.
	Contrary to that, this president led the world in testing, led the world in ventilators, redistributing ventilators, four therapeutics, 13 vaccine candidates, one going into phase three clinical trial.
	This response has been extraordinary and historic.
	We didn't pause testing.
	The Obama-Biden administration did.
	And that was a shameful decision.
	Thank you.
	What happened is everyone's mouth fell open.
	They had nothing to say for the first time in forever.
	No.
	She went out of that room.
	There was nothing.
	You didn't hear people yelling and screaming at her.
	No, that's what I'm saying.
	That's because Jim Acosta and John Carl weren't there.
	Why does that not surprise me?
	Wow.
	Those are the two guys that do that.
	So one down, one to go.
	Why is John Carl leaving?
	His term is up.
	Oh.
	But he'll still be in there asking annoying questions, though.
	I don't know for sure.
	That's not a gig that the news...
	That's not really a fun gig.
	Well, you know, we have a big problem with information in the system today.
	None of it's right.
	Everything's wrong.
	At this point, it's basically a health issue, the amount of misinformation that is coming out everywhere, particularly when it comes to coronavirus.
	And luckily, the World Health Organization is going to put a stop to this.
	Because when you have a problem with misinformation, you want the World Health Organization to step in.
	Because they are presenting, July 21st, the first annual World Health Organization Infodemiology Conference.
	What's demiology?
	In the context of the COVID-19 pandemic, I'm reading from the webpage, the phenomenon of an infodemic has escalated to a level that requires a coordinated response.
	An infodemic is an overabundance of information, some accurate and some not, occurring during an epidemic.
	So they have a webinar coming up on the 21st.
	Oh, a webinar!
	You can register for it.
	And the objectives are to understand the multidisciplinary nature of infodemic management.
	Identify current examples and tools to understand, measure, and control.
	Control infodemics.
	control them, build a public health research agenda to direct focus and investment in this emerging scientific field.
	It's apparently a scientific field, infodemiology.
	Infodemiology, wow!
	And establish a community of practice and research.
	And the participants will be experts from the field of epidemiology and public health, applied math and data science, digital health and technology applications, social and behavioral science, media studies and journalism, marketing, UX and design, risk communication and community engagement, ethics and governance, and other relevant scientific disciplines and practices.
	And they have a promo video!
	Sorry, go ahead.
	I was just going to say, you've got to send me a link.
	Yes, well, it's at the World Health Organization.
	I'm going to take the webinar.
	Yes, so the July 21st is the public webinar.
	It's a Zoom webinar.
	You're invited.
	1500 CET, so that'll be crap.
	That's like 6 a.m.
	your time, probably.
	You may not be doing the webinar.
	6 a.m.
	your time.
	Yeah, it's a tough decision.
	Anyway, how to protect yourself in the infodemic.
	I think this will be, I mean, this is, after all, the World Health Organization, the same people who recommend we wear masks, the same people who recommend we wash our hands incessantly, the same people recommend we stay a distance and afraid of other human beings.
	Oh, let's listen to how to protect ourselves in the infodemic.
	We're not just fighting an epidemic.
	We're fighting an infodemic.
	This quote from WHO Director General has been widely shared.
	So what is an infodemic?
	An infodemic is an excessive amount of information about a problem, making it difficult to identify a solution.
	During a health emergency, an infodemic can drown out reliable information and allow rumors to spread more easily, impeding an effective public health response.
	Why is it happening now?
	Information can spread faster than a virus.
	With rapid growth of digital communications and social media platforms, information spreads fast from online to our physical lives.
	And how does it affect us?
	Online information can negatively affect our psychology, daily lives, and behaviors, worsening the ongoing crisis at hand.
	Infodemics make it difficult to recognize accurate and reliable information that tells people what preventative actions they should take.
	Some even promote stigma, discrimination, or violence.
	Therefore, we all play an important role to share trustworthy information and reduce disinformation.
	Here are simple actions we can do to mitigate the infodemic.
	You're going to want this.
	I've got to pin out.
	Look for facts and evidence.
	Be critical when receiving information.
	Question the source for accuracy and evidence.
	Compare with other sources.
	Two, choose carefully.
	Share, like, or forward only content from trusted sources.
	Three, be cautious.
	Do not reshare, forward, or like false information you know is not true.
	Four, be a good example.
	Correct or call out people in your social networks when they post something untrue.
	Be a good one.
	Hey!
	That's wrong!
	Who are you?
	You're a VJ! You don't know anything about anything!
	That's no good!
	That's exactly what they're encouraging here.
	Be a good example.
	Yeah.
	Correct or call out people in your social networks when they post something untrue.
	Refer them to verified content and expert organizations for further information.
	And by the way, call out people who post something that may not be true.
	So just call them out all the time.
	Correct or call out people in your social networks when they post something untrue.
	Refer them to verified content and expert organizations for further information.
	Oh, expert orgs.
	5.
	Spend less time online.
	Only seek the latest information at specific times of the day.
	Yeah, like 6 o'clock news.
	Yeah, only seek it at specific times of the day.
	day you know when CNN does their headline news spend less time online only seek the latest information at specific times of the day once or twice a day if needed exercise listen to music or read a book this helps to maintain good physical and mental health together let's combat disinformation and misinformation turn the infodemic into a positive information experience one that promotes facts and science .
	Okay.
	Promoting facts and science.
	Thank you, World Health Organization.
	It's always good to know that you're on our side when it comes to my safety in the infodemic.
	It's very much appreciated.
	And the news organizations in the United States have taken this to heart.
	They have lusted launch, or they have the TNI, the Trusted News Initiative, and they have another initiative that Of their own, as they are setting up a shared early warning system of rapid alerts to combat the spread of disinformation during the upcoming U.S. presidential election.
	Okay, this got down to the brass tacks here.
	This is about Trump.
	Here we go.
	The Associated Press and the Washington Post are the latest signees to the Trusted News Initiative, an industry collaboration of major news and global tech organizations set up last year to stop the spread of disinformation.
	TNI partners include...
	AFP, BBC, CBC, Radio Canada, European Broadcasting Union, Facebook, The Financial Times, First Draft, Google, YouTube, The Hindu, Microsoft, Reuters, Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism, Twitter, and The Wall Street Journal.
	Oh my.
	Oh my.
	In the month leading to polling day, T&I partners will alert each other to disinformation that poses an immediate threat to life or to the integrity of the election so the content can be reviewed promptly by platforms while publishers ensure they don't unwittingly republish dangerous falsehoods.
	You want more?
	Oh, brother.
	I want to join, but go on, keep reading.
	The alerts will also flag content that undermines trust in TNA partners by identifying...
	Well, there goes us.
	Here it comes.
	Here we are.
	Ready?
	This is us.
	Here's us in a nutshell.
	Oh my goodness.
	I can't believe these people.
	The alerts will also flag content that undermines trust in the Trust Network Initiative partners by identifying imposter or manipulated content that purport to come from trusted news brands.
	Uh-oh.
	Uh-oh.
	It comes at no agenda show.
	Those guys are not trustworthy.
	To achieve this, TNI will deploy verification technology called Project Origin.
	Not orange.
	Origin.
	Led by a coalition of the BBC, CBC Radio, Canada, Microsoft, and the New York Times, wherein a digital watermark is attached to media originating from authentic content creators and can provide an automated signal warning of manipulated or fake What has Microsoft got?
	When did it become a trusted news organization?
	Well, MSN, I think, is still one of those...
	MSN's not even in business anymore.
	No, MSN.com is quite a big news site, and I believe the...
	It's a bunch of gossip and clickbait.
	How is that trusted?
	Yeah.
	Well, so I'll let...
	Let me go to msn.com.
	Yes.
	And let's just look at some of the stuff on msn.com.
	Well, but I think you're missing the point.
	And while you're looking at it...
	Oh, I'm always missing the point.
	But, come on.
	I'm looking at msn.com.
	Colorado governor, national testing scene is a disgrace.
	Here's why I think it may be important to have Microsoft in there.
	This is the default page, I believe, that comes up with the new Chrome browser.
	With Chrome?
	I know it comes up with Explorer.
	No, I mean the Edge.
	Edge.
	Edge is Chrome now.
	It's the new Chrome browser.
	It's still called Edge.
	I'm pretty sure that Microsoft tracks every living click and view that you do.
	On your computer, and that is going into this TNI network.
	They're the trackers.
	Microsoft is the biggest offender.
	They know every single story that people are reading because they track it all.
	Oh, I see.
	Okay, so by the trusted news, we have stories like, how to entirely empty your gut every morning?
	Top surgeon explains how.
	The wedding photographer captured these photos.
	This must be customized for you.
	I don't have these stories on my MSN. Yeah, you do.
	This is not customized by me.
	I go through a VPN 90% of the time.
	Yeah, but they're still tracking you.
	Amazon shoppers love this $16 sun visor that can be rolled up for easy storage.
	Listen, I know I didn't get the how to empty your gut in the morning.
	That's got to be news for you.
	That's not for me.
	Anyone can go to...
	I've got the newest of these at MSN.com.
	Go to MSN.com and start scrolling down.
	It goes down for a decade.
	You can go down and down and down.
	It keeps going.
	Okay, I've got Britney Spears.
	Alright, okay.
	No, that's always for you.
	That is customized.
	Yeah, it's customized because I follow her on Twitter.
	So anyway, you're right.
	This is obviously the Orange Bad Man Network.
	And the minute something comes out, the alert signal goes off and everyone can post their disclaimer on it so that it doesn't gain traction and go viral.
	It's pathetic.
	The OMB Network.
	We're going to use that.
	Somebody needs to give us a big, deep voice.
	Somebody with one of those voices.
	That's Darren O'Neill.
	You're listening to the OMB Network.
	Orange man bad.
	Hold on.
	One second.
	You know, whenever you come up with an idea like this, the thing that you want to do is go get the URL. That's what I'm trying to do right now.
	Ah!
	OMBnetwork.com is taken.
	Crap!
	Here you go.
	I can get the.net, but who cares?
	Yeah, who cares?
	Nobody wants.net.
	Nobody wants.net.
	It's not worth anything.
	Here's another one on this page.
	Each state hilariously depicted by one photo.
	Oh, brother.
	Hey, what do you want to talk about now?
	Because I don't...
	Okay, I want to hear...
	I teased it in the newsletter.
	Yeah, yeah, I was worried about that.
	You made a...
	I said I got...
	On the last show, I said, I got some good clips on Robin DiAngelo.
	All of a sudden, Adams didn't take her down!
	She won't walk in public in the street anymore!
	Oh, my God!
	This should be entertaining!
	And it was like, whoa!
	Okay, thanks, Broseph.
	Now I have to make something out of my two clips.
	You know, I had to do that because I had that great picture of her.
	It really screwed me on that one.
	But I'm going to get you because I did the work.
	See what I did there?
	Do the work.
	I don't care.
	See what I did there?
	Okay.
	To bring everybody back up to speed, if you've not heard of White Fragility, the book by Robin DiAngelo, which is on fire.
	It is the number one, I think, on the New York Times bestseller list.
	It's probably still in the top three of Amazon.
	It's raking in the dough.
	She learned her trade at some prestigious universities and has tenure and has gone out into the corporate world, has become...
	I'm a go-to person for equality and diversity training, which has been going on for a long time, but now there's finally one book that pops to the top of the stack, and it's hers.
	And I'll just briefly give you the premise the way I see it.
	If you read this book, which I have done, You're immediately going to recognize a lot of things which is purely ignorance.
	You haven't thought about people's lives because different cultures, just different people because we're not all one homogenous mass.
	Although that's clearly what you would like.
	And the solution to these horrible feelings you will now have after reading the book is that you have to atone for your whiteness for the rest of your life.
	And no one else can be racist.
	Only the white person can be racist.
	And I'll even go that far with you on your social justice tip, but there's no end.
	You have to always be doing the work, as we established on the previous episode about a week ago.
	Doing the work is the code.
	If you are reading the book, you're doing the work.
	Even if you're not reading the book, you're doing the work.
	You say you're doing the work because then people will shut up because it's all right, he's doing the work.
	I thought I'd bring in Matt Taibbi with a quick two-parter as he did an excellent deconstruction of the book on his stack suite, whatever that thing is called, wherever you can subscribe and pay for his articles.
	This was him on an interview, and we'll start with what the book recommends.
	So it's funny, if you took parts of the book and just looked at the areas where she's trying to bring the attention of white people to structural inequities, to different kinds of situations that they might not be aware of because being white, you're raised in a situation where you're simply not aware of certain factors.
	All those things are very positive.
	The problem is she has this She wraps it up in this all-encompassing theory that basically says that people are defined by their race, or by the perception of their race, that these categories are inflexible, and that the only thing you can hope to do to combat the ongoing problem of racism is It's
	a very strange theology, which is, I guess, becoming sort of academic mainstream now, but the book itself has a lot of very odd theories connected to some pretty uncontroversial and positive theories.
	That's exactly the way I felt.
	It's like, okay, there's a lot of interesting stuff there about racism that you're not aware of.
	It's ignorance, really.
	And what it misses is the whole nepotism angle.
	However, she is, as we identified, part of a movement that has been around for a long time.
	That is the EDI training and consultant scam.
	This is the racism problem as seen through the lens of somebody who makes thousands of dollars an hour being hired by companies to address...
	Normally it's to address an internal toxicity issue.
	So what they do is they bring in these people who come from various academic outposts, and they bring teams in, and they have trainings where they facilitate anti-racism dialogues.
	And employees are sort of herded into these trainings and forced to listen to these speeches.
	And that's the lens through which her theories come.
	This is how corporate America views the race problem.
	They've used it as an individual issue where racism is sort of inexorably stuck in all of us, and the only way that we can combat it is through relentlessly listening to corporate consultants tell us how to fight it.
	And that's the irony here is that I think the problem with this book ultimately is that this is the corporate vision of how to tackle racism – It's just to hire people like this to run through every company and search out racism in every corner, which could mean a thousand different things that aren't necessarily good.
	And as I looked into some of Robin DiAngelo's peers, this is really quite a big industry.
	And the Smithsonian Institute...
	I set up a whole separate website dedicated to whiteness and the problem of whiteness in America.
	And I was kind of chuckling because someone emailed a graphic from the website, which actually this graphic has since been removed from the website, but it's in the show notes.
	And you didn't know, because there was no context, you didn't know where it came from either.
	It's the N-M-A-A-C-H. Which is the Natural Museum of African American Whiteness something, but it's part of the Smithsonian Institute on their website.
	And this pamphlet, you said, this is crazy, who would put this out?
	And it was the aspects and assumptions of whiteness and white culture in the United States?
	Yeah.
	Well, so this is a real thing.
	It's from the Smithsonian Institute on their website.
	And it's really interesting to see how they view what they call American whiteness.
	And it's like, stuff that just used to be an American...
	For an example, and maybe I'm way out of touch, boomer possible, but under the heading competition.
	American whiteness consists of being number one, win at all costs, win or lose a dichotomy, action orientation, master and control nature, must always do something about a situation, aggressiveness and extroversion, decision making, and majority rules, but only when whites have power.
	I mean, it's really a very sick view of race.
	It really is.
	It's just, wow.
	It's got very little to do with race.
	Thank you.
	Family structure of whiteness.
	The nuclear family, father, mother, 2.3 children is the ideal social unit.
	That's kind of ideal to keep our whole damn country alive and growing, but okay.
	Husband is breadwinner and head of household.
	Wife is homemaker and subordinate to the husband.
	Children should have own roots.
	When has that ever been?
	Well, according to the Smithsonian.
	It's...
	Okay.
	It's the National Museum of African American History and Culture.
	That's the NMAAHC, and that is part of the Smithsonian Institute.
	I found it rather...
	It's a very insulting sheet of paper, but it's also like some of the things that are very positive they put into a negative light.
	I find that to be very disturbing.
	Yeah.
	Like, American-type kind of things.
	Yeah.
	People like to work for, you know, they like to work for money.
	They like to win.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Well, anyway.
	So, but on this website, there's an entire section of books for you to do the work with.
	And videos and front and center right there is our girl, Robin DiAngelo.
	And I had to pull a few clips just so you can understand.
	She's standing in a clearly a set, but kind of like it's supposed to look a little grungy with a splash of color in the background.
	It's kind of an industrial-looking thing.
	I guess it's a choice with some purplish lighting, reddish-purplish.
	I'm colorblind, but I can tell something was weird with it.
	And here is her intro to her whiteness.
	Robin DiAngelo and my work focuses on the question of what does it mean to be white in a society that proclaims race meaningless yet is profoundly separated by race?
	And to start this off, I want to draw your attention to the fact that I'm white.
	So just look at me for a moment, think about it, notice it.
	And part of being white is that it's a very uncomfortable thing for me to do.
	And I should mention that I believe this to be her standard speech.
	This is probably what she does inside companies because it's so easy flowing for her.
	I'm sure that this is how she starts her...
	$12,000 day seminars.
	No, these sorts of things, this all stemmed back to the sensitivity training days of the 60s, and it went on and on and went through EST. These things are extremely, not only well-rehearsed, but they're designed to elicit a certain kind of emotional response as she does them.
	These are very...
	Slick.
	Subversive seminars.
	If you go into one with the right attitude, you can actually...
	Actually understand what's going on.
	You can actually get something out of it, but generally speaking, they're designed to subvert and confuse the person.
	I would say this is so good, and there's specific reasons for it, maybe even specific American reasons for it.
	It is so good because you have to agree with a lot of what she's saying, and you really do get sucked in, but then when it comes to the payoff, which is you're going to need me for the rest of your life, it's kind of sick.
	And it's taken me many, many years to be able to draw people's attention to my race and see any significance in it.
	And that's because as a white person, I was socialized to see race as what they had.
	I was just a person.
	I was just a white bread, a Heinz 57.
	I didn't have race.
	Heinz 57?
	Do you understand that?
	Yeah.
	Well, how is Heinz 57, how does that equate whiteness?
	It's like white bread.
	It would have been a better example, but Heinz 57 she used for some reason.
	I'm not sure what.
	But it's like something everyday product, commonplace.
	It's all over the place.
	It's not a big deal.
	Almost generic.
	Borderline generic.
	Not quite generic.
	Borderline generic, but we can put a label on it.
	A brand name.
	I was socialized to see race as individual acts of discrimination and prejudice, individual acts that anybody could do to anybody else, and if you did those acts, you were a bad person.
	And that is why, since I saw myself as a good person...
	Wait, wait, so you have to stop that and back it up.
	Yeah, sure.
	I'm waiting for you.
	Did she say, I was designed to see race?
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, well this is another trick they use.
	This is where you use one word where another word is the right word.
	You use the wrong word.
	She uses race instead of racism.
	She should have said, I mean, I know she's doing this for a reason.
	This is all part of a, this is all, I don't know, what do you call it?
	Neuro-linguistic programming at some level.
	And so she's doing this because it does, it screws up your brain when she says, I've designed to see race as an act.
	When race is a thing and racism is the act.
	But she doesn't use racism.
	She does that for a purpose.
	This is very purposeful.
	And I want to mention that we do have one listener who's about to take this training.
	She didn't want to do it.
	And I had to talk her off the ledge and tell her, you've got to do it.
	You've got to get the paperwork.
	You've got to report back.
	You've got to write an essay.
	Yes.
	For the Cosmic Weenie.
	And there's material here.
	It's part of the Trust Network.
	But I would love to hear this thing, because I could deconstruct this woman in a minute.
	Yeah, well, there's a little bit more for you.
	And, of course, a new member of the Trust Network Initiative is Cosmic Weenie.
	We welcome them.
	I was socialized to see race as individual acts of discrimination and prejudice, individual acts that anybody could do to anybody else, and if you did those acts, you were a bad person.
	And that is why, since I saw myself as a good person, I didn't see myself as connected to racism, and certainly didn't see myself as connected to race.
	In other words, I didn't have a sense of a racial identity.
	Today I understand that I move through the world always and most particularly as a white person.
	I have a white frame of reference and I have a white experience.
	And part of being white is to have that be invisible to us and to be able to live our lives without ever acknowledging that.
	To see that as non-operative.
	Any comments?
	No, everything she's doing is just old school est.
	Well, you'll love this next one.
	I'm familiar with the models because I actually took a psychology course at Cal that discussed sensitivity training and made us go through a lot of it so we could understand it.
	And then when est came out, it was just so obvious what was going on as a brainwashing scheme.
	Mostly to get you to keep giving them money.
	This is kind of a proto-sales pitch for, I don't know what it is, it's like a religion.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	She's doing the same thing.
	And it's like, it's a religion, it's become a religion, that's why people get so adamant about it.
	And they get all pissed off if you question it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it brings back a lot of memories.
	I would love to go into this with someone who used to be an S-trainer, if I knew anyone.
	I know a couple people that were into it.
	But an S-trainer who knew what they were doing would be...
	I'd love to go to one of these seminars with them.
	Because you brought it up, I'm skipping.
	I'm going to play a clip out of my typical sequence from James Lindsay.
	James Lindsay was one of the people who submitted all those fake papers, if you recall, to the peer review process.
	And it was stuff like homosexuality amongst dogs and all this kind of stuff.
	Do you remember that?
	We played a couple of clips from it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, vaguely.
	Yeah, and these were all peer-reviewed, like, great paper, fantastic, you know, really understand that it's lovely.
	There's a term for this, for what you were just describing, how people get all in on it, and he mentioned it.
	There's actually a religious form of OCD, and it's called scrupulosity.
	It's very common in Catholicism.
	Yeah, it does.
	It sounds like something like...
	But no, the deal is that it's religious OCD where basically you feel like you haven't resolved your own complicity and sin correctly, and therefore you're bound for the hellfire.
	Right.
	And it's actually super common in Catholics.
	It's somewhat common in Mormons.
	And you sometimes see it in the stricter variants of Calvinism.
	And I don't know.
	It probably shows up in Islam as well.
	I actually just don't know on that.
	But it is a form of OCD where you're trying to out-damn-spot Lady Macbeth yourself for your complicity in sin.
	And I think that D'Angelo, whose mother was a lapsed nun who went on to become a leftist social activist, I do think that D'Angelo, that's not even her real ass name, has exhibited a rather strong case of scrupulosity.
	And to read White Fragility is basically a 157 or 8-page confession of Scrupulosity.
	I was not familiar with the term.
	I never heard the term, and when I first heard it, I thought he said screwball-osity, which is what it is.
	It's the same thing.
	Screwball-osity.
	But I think it's, and maybe that's something that's built into the old-school Judeo-Christian nature of Americans, very much the way the new Germans always have a version of screwball-osity.
	Because the Germans, like, come on, anybody, your immigrants, come on in, no problem, because they have severe guilt.
	Over World War II. And that's going to take another generation or two before that may go away.
	So there may be something in certainly the American psyche that you can play to, that guilt that you can just tap into whenever you want to.
	And that guilt is obviously the whiteness.
	I'm going to repeat that because I think it's very profound and I really want us to sit with it.
	I love that.
	This is such a training term.
	I just want you to sit with that for a moment.
	Just want you to sit for a moment about how white you are.
	That I could live my whole life in segregation.
	In fact, if I followed the trajectory that my loving parents laid out for me in my good neighborhood, in my good school, in my good college, in my good career, in which I would ideally rise to the top, I could easily never have any consistent, ongoing, authentic relationships with people of color, and not one person who guided me ever conveyed that there was loss.
	I want you to just sit with that for a moment, John.
	Just sit with that for a second.
	And even better, I'd like to take you inside of it.
	Inside your evil white skin.
	And I want to take us deeper.
	I want to take us inside this skin.
	My psychosocial development was inculcated in the water of white supremacy.
	That is what I call this system.
	I don't mean...
	The KKK, I mean a system in which whiteness and white people are central and seen as inherently superior to people of color.
	My personality was formed in that water.
	My worldview was formed in that water.
	I didn't choose it.
	It isn't my fault.
	I'm not wracked with guilt about it, but I am responsible for changing it.
	Because the default of our society is the reproduction of racism.
	It's built into every system and every institution.
	And if we just live our lives and carry on in the most comfortable ways for us, we will necessarily reproduce it.
	There is no neutral space.
	Inaction is a form of action.
	Ah, silence is violence.
	It all comes together.
	Yeah, this is another thing you do.
	This is another brain-scrambling methodology where you use these, you know, inaction is a form of inaction.
	Inaction is a form of action.
	Silence is violence.
	Inaction is a form of action is the way she puts it.
	So that means if you don't do anything, you're actually doing something and it's bad.
	Silence is violence.
	It's all the same people, the same thinking, tying into the same guilt that is being played on over and over again.
	Silence is violence.
	What was the one I said to you earlier today before the show started?
	I had one.
	I just read it somewhere.
	Normally all you say is, don't touch the knobs then.
	Yes, is what I say every time.
	Why do you keep fiddling with this thing?
	I'm not fiddling with a thing.
	So, before I continue to a very different Robin DiAngelo, and noteworthy, I could not find it noteworthy that James Lindsay says that's not even her real name.
	Could not find her real name.
	And let's just take a...
	Well, before we do that, from the same Smithsonian website is a woman named Bell Hooks.
	So just so you have an idea that it's more than just Robin DiAngelo's white fragility, there's a very common theme underneath all of this.
	I began to use the phrase in my work, White Supremacist Capitalist Patriarchy, because I wanted to have some language that would actually...
	Remind us continually of the interlocking systems of domination that define our reality.
	And it's because of this attitude that this is an anti-men thing.
	It's anti-white men.
	They only speak to women.
	It's right here.
	It's the white supremacist patriarchy.
	And why does it always have to be the patriarchy that's thrown in there?
	Maybe we've evolved a little bit.
	Unlikely, but maybe we've evolved a little bit.
	It's just very irksome to me.
	Yeah.
	It's a real target.
	They always men hate.
	Yeah, you gotta hate men, otherwise you won't get, you know, it puts more women into the lesbian pool for dating.
	As, you know, referred to earlier, the Jewish friend, Tina's Jewish friend's really afraid of Trump, you know, gonna come after Jews and the anti-Semites and they're gonna get all over.
	So, you know, she starts talking about something and said, you know, Can I just say that...
	There is some real anger, and there's only one group that everyone seems to be against, is straight old white men.
	And she says, well, that's not...
	I said, have you listened to the news?
	White men, white men, white men, old white men, cis, straight white men, cis white men, old cis white men.
	Have you not heard that?
	Well, you can't deny, and from there I just tuned out.
	Yeah, I tuned out.
	I tuned out.
	It's like...
	Ba-ding!
	You should have had your bell.
	Well, you know, and I think it's worth repeating the only correct response to anything like that where you are accused of having privilege or just being white is to say the following.
	As someone who has done the work, I'm surprised you would use your privilege to assume that I'm white.
	It's like the Vulcan nerve pinch when you do that.
	They go...
	And they can't speak...
	Yes, confusing the computer in an old Star Trek episode.
	No, it's the Vulcan nerve pinch.
	Well, the nerve pinch just knocks you on your ass, but the mechanism is the confusing the computer.
	Right.
	Computer.
	Okay, so...
	I thought you were supposed to protect men, but you're not protecting anybody.
	So, Robin DiAngelo...
	I am here to protect men!
	As we look at the Wikipedia entry, just briefly, she's September 8, 1956.
	She's Virgo.
	American academic lecturer and author working in the fields of critical discourse analysis and whiteness studies.
	She's formerly served as a tenured professor of multicultural education at Westfield State University and is currently an affiliate associate professor of education at the University of Washington.
	She's known for her work pertaining to white fragility.
	Now, her credentials.
	She received her PhD in multicultural education from the University of Washington.
	And her dissertation.
	That's a non-degree.
	Her PhD committee was chaired by James A. Banks.
	Let's be careful here.
	What else?
	So she's joined there.
	She's also named associate professor of multicultural education.
	Holds two honorary doctoral degrees.
	All right, fine.
	Well, let's listen to a little bit about her.
	I grew up poor and white in the Bay Area.
	We moved frequently.
	I think from a very early age, I had a very deep sense of shame.
	I will never forget a moment in which, two moments in fact, one in which a teacher held my hand up in front of the class as an example of poor hygiene.
	And told me to go home and tell my mother to wash me.
	What you're going to hear is the amount of trauma this person has.
	She has a lot of personal trauma.
	And I'm going to tell you right now, I feel she's projecting.
	My mom was a single mom.
	She had three children.
	She was sick.
	Lots of reasons to hate men in this, by the way.
	And she literally couldn't house, feed, or clothe us.
	So I was dirty.
	The other moment was visiting a friend of hers, some lady, you know, when you're a kid and you get taken to somebody's house and they have kids so you're playing.
	And on the way out...
	I was the last one out the door, and I overheard one of their children ask her mother, what's wrong with them?
	That was her question, what's wrong with them?
	And I stopped, you know, riveted, like I wanted to hear.
	And her mother put her finger to her lips and said, shh, they're poor.
	That was, you know, a revelatory moment.
	That was a moment when I realized there's something about us that everyone can see that's shameful, but that should not be named.
	I mean, what was your white privilege?
	When I heard this, I'm like, no wonder.
	It doesn't get any better.
	At the same time, I also always knew I was white.
	And I knew that it was better to be white.
	Things I never thought of as a kid.
	I can remember seeing food left out, uneaten.
	And I was hungry, and I would reach for it.
	Maybe out in a park, on a picnic table or something.
	And I would be admonished by my mother.
	Don't touch that.
	You don't know who touched it.
	It could have been a colored person.
	I don't know, man.
	Doesn't sound that believable to me.
	Which was the language of the time.
	And the message was clear.
	If a colored person touched it, it would be dirty.
	Ah, there's her connection.
	I was actually dirty.
	But in those moments, in those moments, I wasn't poor anymore.
	In those moments, I was white.
	We used, if you will, black people to project our shame onto, to realign us with the dominant white culture that our poverty separated us from.
	What do you think is wrong with her when you hear this?
	Uh...
	Besides a lot...
	She's pissed off!
	Yes, I think it's a lot of projection.
	She wants the rest of the world to atone for her shitty childhood or something like that.
	There's some underlying stuff that just cannot be ignored.
	She wouldn't be telling these stories.
	And whiteness is not her only problem.
	When I use my white position to break with silence and white solidarity and speak up, I am simultaneously healing the lie that I am inherently...
	I grew up poor.
	So for me to center race, even though I experience depression and have experienced depression in other aspects of my life, for me to center race and feed every other identity or experience through that lens has been the most profound thing.
	A tool, if you will.
	So this is her process, her therapy, is to do this.
	Because she was depressed.
	She's saying it right there.
	I was depressed, and by doing this work, I feel good again.
	It is the genesis of her guilt gene.
	Anyway, two more clips.
	She's got some outstanding advice.
	But hope is such a tool, in a way, of whiteness.
	And we've dangled that tool in front of black people for 400 years.
	And we keep...
	Not, you know, not showing up in the long term.
	Hope has been dangled in front of black people for years.
	You evil, evil white people!
	How can you do that?
	I've never been more hopeful about our future.
	Evil white people!
	I've never been more hopeful about America.
	And I ask you to sustain that hope.
	I'm not talking about blind optimism.
	the kind of hope that just ignores the enormity of the tasks ahead or the roadblocks that stand in our path I'm not talking about the wishful idealism that allows us to just sit on the sidelines or shirk from a fight I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us.
	I mean, come on.
	Dangler-in-chief.
	Dangler-in-chief Obama.
	Mr.
	Hope literally dangling it in front of black people.
	What a horrible, horrible man.
	He must be white.
	All right.
	Then...
	See, you performed very well considering all the promotion I put in that newspaper.
	I have a kicker for you.
	Here's the kicker.
	Obviously, everyone needs to be doing the work.
	This is very important.
	You have to do the work.
	But this work comes with a stark, stark warning.
	Do not.
	Yes, there's a problem.
	It's a marketing problem, which we know.
	It's not really something she wants to say in that manner.
	But people are going off and starting their own do-the-work groups.
	Oh no!
	You can't do that!
	It takes money away from the main group!
	Here she is!
	We also have to figure out how to do that work in accountable ways.
	I am a little nervous about how many people now are like, oh I read your book and now I want to start a book study or I want to start a workshop.
	And you know, It takes years of experience and study and struggle and mistake making and trust building to hold a group around race and really hold that group and push them and help them go where they need to go in ways that are constructive.
	It takes a lot of experience, so we just have to also think, and this isn't the format to give the answer to accountability, but we need to be asking ourselves that.
	I am the chosen one.
	You cannot do this without me.
	She's made a mistake by doing that book.
	Werner Erhard never did a book.
	Yeah, I think you're right.
	She just screwed the pooch.
	People are off doing their own work.
	No, no, no.
	It takes years, years and years and years.
	But you know what it takes to talk to a group about our race?
	This is snake oil.
	But it's very effective.
	Women around the world are all into this and...
	It's okay.
	I mean, it's very good to be aware and not be ignorant about other groups and cultures.
	We're all Americans, but this guilt thing has got to stop.
	And it will only stop when people freak out.
	We'll see how it goes, but it always ends poorly for the show, for the person that's running the whole thing.
	Does it always?
	I think so.
	Are they trying to be like a cult leader?
	Well, I mean, you end up like while Ron Hubbard, where the government goes after you, you end up on a boat.
	You can't get off, and you're stuck there for the rest of your life until you die.
	Yeah, it's comfy, but so what?
	Yeah.
	Well, right now, the only problem she has to deal with is two podcasters who are ridiculing her, so I'm sure she'll be okay.
	I'm sure there'll be a lot more people ridiculing her over time.
	I'm going to show my soul by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda.
	And I will mention that I'm going to, I'll read Sir Peep Slayer of the Mojave Wasteland's note at a future time.
	It's a really good note.
	It talks a little bit about some of this stuff.
	But he also said, he's the one who sent Nixie Clock out.
	Oh, I love those.
	Yeah, make sure he says get some tubes while you can.
	They're starting to fail.
	The tubes are crapping out.
	Mine broke.
	You dropped it?
	I didn't.
	Someone else who shall go unnamed dropped it.
	Did all the tubes break?
	Three of them.
	It's pretty bad.
	And then I looked, I was like, I'll replace it.
	You can only buy them in a kit.
	You have to put it together.
	No, I don't think I can do that.
	You can buy loan tubes and then...
	Replacement tubes?
	Okay.
	No, that's what I'll look for.
	Yeah, just look for the Nixie tube, the Nixie tube that size.
	Yeah.
	And then you can...
	They're probably expensive by now.
	I mean, $10 a piece or more.
	Oh, okay.
	But, you know, they're cool.
	I haven't dropped mine.
	Well, you don't have a lot of...
	You don't allow people in your domain.
	There's plenty of people floating around, but they just don't...
	I wasn't allowed...
	I don't know what that means.
	When I was at your house.
	Nixie Tube devices on the first floor.
	You could have easily seen it.
	Let's thank a few people, because they would love to have a Nixie Tube clock.
	Charles Bennett would be one of them.
	In McCall, Idaho, $133.33.
	Michelle Small, $123.58.
	Sir Pate Snakes in Amsterdam.
	is a percentage of his tax returns one two three four five oh nice el lebel in newark delaware 110 anonymous 100 sir christopher kessler in marshfield wisconsin 8008 boob uh reema harb yes Hold on, hold on.
	Hold on, Rima's very important.
	Rima is the second person who has relentlessly made sure that this took place today.
	I believe it's her boyfriend, but she says friend, is a regular listener of the No Agenda show.
	She is not, but she figured out how to get in touch with us, and she wanted to make sure that her wish was read and that it was on the birthday list, and she's been hounding me for about as long.
	As our Sam there with the wedding proposal.
	So she said, this is Rima Harb.
	I would like to wish my friend a happy birthday.
	Congratulations.
	I wish my dear Dennis all the best.
	Oh, for her birthday.
	Sorry.
	Girlfriend or friend.
	Geez, now I'm confused.
	I would like to donate $70.
	I hope that's okay.
	Greetings from Germany and Berlin.
	Rima, we did it for you.
	And thank you so much for supporting the show.
	And I hope you're...
	And listen next time.
	Listen for a while.
	It's a good show.
	You'll like it.
	It's entertaining.
	We can hang out.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	Seat center is next.
	$69.69.
	Mark Fiore is $69.
	Another birthday gift for his sister.
	She resides in Cramerica.
	The autonomous zone surrounded by Harlem, the Netherlands.
	I didn't know that was Cramerica.
	Apparently it is.
	And he wants a jobs karma with the goat twist for her, and we'll do that at the end.
	Sir Chris James of Southwest Michigan in Sturgis, 5678.
	He says that we're a national treasure.
	Now that's Fauci.
	How can we be that?
	Dean Roker in East Grinstead, UK, 5510.
	Ivar von Veldervalde.
	Ivar von Veldervalde.
	Let's try it.
	Ivar von der Velde.
	Ivar Veldervalde.
	Now, don't do the Swedish accent.
	Ivar van der Velde.
	Ivar van der Velde.
	In Wageningen.
	In Wageningen.
	Nailed it.
	How's buying karma coming up for you?
	Sure.
	5510 from him.
	This is Kathleen Stokes in Woburn.
	Woburn, Massachusetts nuts.
	Jeffrey Hunt in Baltimore.
	These are all 55-10s.
	Baltimore, Maryland.
	Jeffrey is 55-10.
	What's up with 55-10?
	Double nickels on the dime.
	Yeah, double nickels on the dime.
	Daniel Mariano in Pflugerville, Texas.
	55-10.
	Scott...
	Jalber, 5510, pronounced Jalber, West Columbia, South Carolina.
	William Reich in Ontario, 5510, happy Canada Day.
	He sent a note in saying, thanks, because of the Canada Day thing, since we sent out a special note to the Canadians, it was happy Canada Day.
	By the way, Scott Jalber is another Joe Rogan crossover, and we have a jingle!
	Rogan Donation.
	It's a Rogan Donation, apparently.
	It's cute.
	I like it, too.
	Rick, in North Carolina, 5150, he did send handwritten notes and, well, hand-printed.
	Thanks for the best podcast.
	I'm late again for my birthday donation.
	It was June 25th.
	I put him on the list.
	Yeah.
	I guess the donation says it all.
	Keep up the great work somewhere in Central North Carolina.
	A lot of North Carolina people.
	Well, they're hip, man.
	They're on point.
	Matthew Grice, 5005.
	And now the following people are $50 donors.
	He's by the Matthews in Australia.
	The $50 donor's name and location.
	Matthew Wells in Austin.
	Another Austinian.
	That's right.
	Austinian.
	Sir Paul from Horsehead.
	Austinite.
	Excuse me.
	Austinite.
	Austin-Tinians.
	Austinites?
	Yeah, Austinite.
	Austinites of the Roundtable.
	Sir Paul from Horseheads in Johnson City, New York.
	Sir Andrew in Greensboro, North Carolina.
	Travis Nash in Greensboro, North Carolina.
	Two more North Carolinians.
	Both in the same town in this sense.
	Wow.
	Well, you know what?
	Didn't they have a meet-up?
	I think that's what happened.
	They must have had a meet-up in North Carolina.
	Pretty sure they did.
	Yeah.
	Garcia Valiente in Toronto, Ontario.
	Thanks for always making my boyfriend, Derek Birch, so excited to tell me all about the G-damned show.
	Happy three months, babe, and to a lifetime more.
	Okay, Krista.
	I don't know what this means.
	Well, no, I know exactly what this means.
	So they've been dating for three months, and he's been hitting her in the mouth.
	Krista, don't worry.
	Consistently.
	Very consistently.
	And I think this may be a match for long term.
	Because she sees that it makes her boyfriend so happy and excited to talk about it.
	It's got to be a bore to her.
	Okay, what else did they say?
	Oh, really?
	Okay, yeah, okay.
	Eye roll, eye roll.
	Yeah, I know, that's great.
	You know, maybe you could do me a favor now.
	Well, happy three-month-iversary.
	I know how women think.
	That's great.
	Love it.
	Baronet Amen Fist Bump is the last on the list.
	And she's a woman.
	And she's from Montgomery, Texas.
	Montgomery, Texas.
	Do you know it existed?
	And those are all the donors, producers for show 1261 above $49.99.
	We've got a bunch of those.
	We want to thank them, too.
	I want to thank everybody for helping keeping this show going.
	Yes.
	Much appreciated.
	Everyone who contributed is a producer, but a lot of you are producers with other things you do.
	It's part of the Value for Value Network, our Value for Value system, which has been carefully created and almost replicated by some, but not entirely, because we have the best producers who understand and work on making this the best darn podcast in the universe.
	We'd like for you to continue to support that.
	If you're new, you might want to consider it.
	It's very simple.
	Think what value you just got in the past, what do we got, three hours or so?
	And then you put that into a number and send it off.
	Dvorak.org slash NA. My request.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Yeah!
	You've got...
	Come on.
	It's your birthday, birthday.
	It is the 19th of July, 2020.
	Here's our birthday list.
	A little, let me see, belated, but Rick in North Carolina was celebrated on June 25th, so we do say happy birthday to him.
	Rima, as you heard, said happy birthday to Dennis, celebrating today, July 19th.
	I'm still thinking it to him.
	And Jeffrey Hunt turns 33 today, and Mark Fioris says happy birthday to his sister, Janet Fior Kramer.
	We say happy birthday to everybody from the staff and management of the best podcast in the universe.
	Okay, we only have, uh, well, we have not only, but we have three knightings, no dames, so we will blast out the swords, swords, swords.
	Oh, there you go.
	Up on the podium, please, Mark Mensah, Kyle Davis, and Tristan Onion.
	Martins, gentlemen, all three of you today become Knights of the No Agenda Roundtable thanks to your contributions in the amount of $1,000 or more.
	And that means you take a buck at this coveted roundtable.
	I'm very proud to pronounce the K-V as...
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	Gentlemen, for you we have hookers of blow, red boys, and a chardonnay, geishas and sake, medium rare ribeye, and a goodnight imperial red IPA, cookies and vodka, onion rings and ice cream.
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	And mutton and mead.
	It is a roundtable favorite.
	Head over to noagendanation.com slash rings and get a hold of the form there to fill out so Eric the Shield can send off your signet ring, your sealing wax, and your official certificate.
	And thank you so much for supporting the best podcast in the universe.
	The no agenda meetups are back on and full force.
	Noagendameetups.com is where you can find out where a meetup is taking place or you can set one up yourself.
	We have a report from the first No Agenda Meetup in Croatia.
	Hello, Ant and Joseph.
	This is Alex from the No Agenda Meetups in Croatia Split.
	The meetup is fantastic.
	No one showed up, so I'm me, myself, and too many whiskeys.
	So, in the morning, and maybe next time we'll have more slaves.
	Croatia!
	What are you doing to me?
	Croatia did not come through on the meetup.
	No.
	Which is a shame.
	But one meetup?
	I have friends in Croatia.
	They could have gone.
	Yeah.
	I should have called them.
	Here's an overview for the coming week.
	Actually, nothing this week, but next Saturday, that's the 25th of July, the Greater Seattle Post-Rona Vitamin D Hike Meetup at 11 a.m.
	SUMA is organizing.
	See the website for details.
	Also on Saturday, the Central Illinois in July Meetup, 3.33 p.m.
	at Riggs Brewery.
	Sir Kyle the Fearless, Jedi Knight of the Orange Fleet is hosting.
	And Flight 005 with the No Agenda, Leo Bravo organizing that on July 25th.
	I'm not even sure where that's taking place.
	And then we don't have anything for another week, Friday the 31st.
	What's Cook in Oregon, local 33, 6 p.m.
	at Cook Tigard.
	And all these details are on noagendameetups.com.
	Tim is organizing noagendameetups.com where you can find out where you can hang out with people online.
	Who have one thing in common with you.
	They want to hang out.
	They want to talk.
	They want to be awkward and clumsy.
	No one gives a crap what you think, but they really do care.
	It's a No Agenda Meetup.
	It's kind of like a party.
	Noagendameetups.com Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days You want to be where you want me Triggered on hell and lame Oh
	yeah.
	Natalie Wood.
	Oh, interesting.
	Yeah.
	The Croatian girls were always...
	I don't want to say it.
	In Amsterdam, the Croatian girls were...
	We liked the Croatian girls.
	You're saying they're a bunch of whores?
	What are you implying?
	They like to party!
	The Croatian girls like to party.
	Yes, that's what I'm saying.
	Well, if you look like Natalie Wood, you'd probably like to party too.
	Well, yeah, it's true.
	A quick little, just a list here of some Noodle Gun targets.
	Ellen DeGeneres seems to be on target for the Noodle Gun.
	In fact, she's on target so much, I was just reading a piece about her, and BuzzFeed's out to get her.
	BuzzFeed has a writer that actually says, if you have any dirt on Ellen, send me an email.
	She got her email right in the...
	In the column she wrote, bitching and moaning about Ellen.
	And Ellen's, apparently, they haven't forced them to do the work.
	And they want the show to do the work and get some consultants in there and do the work.
	I think the problem is the employees claim they were subject to a toxic work environment, which I understand.
	Well, there's two things.
	One, when you're an Ellen DeGeneres level and at that kind of show, and I witnessed some of this myself at MTV, you work at the Ellen show as whale shit because we can get a thousand people for you.
	And it is run like a dictatorship.
	And I'm sure Noodle Boys and Girls are not liking that.
	Add to that that Ellen DeGeneres was seen hanging out with George W. Bush at the game.
	I think that's where it started to go downhill for her.
	I always forget about that, but that is the genesis.
	It has to be.
	Yep.
	The noodle gun.
	Gamergate 2.0, as far as I can see, three Ubisoft executives stepped down, again, due to a toxic culture.
	Whatever that means.
	Or at least culture not compatible with the organization.
	Cisco has fired employees that questioned Black Lives Matter during a company-wide racism discussion.
	What they did is they posted, don't all lives matter?
	Sorry, you're fired.
	You're done if you do that.
	Mistake, mistake, mistake.
	Noodle gun for you.
	Did you see this article in the New York Times about black wine professionals?
	What are they bitching about?
	Let me see.
	TJ, I'll just read a little bit.
	TJ Douglas and his wife Hadley own Urban Grape, a thriving wine shop in the South End neighborhood of Boston.
	Before the pandemic, a regular internet customer, with whom Mr.
	Douglas had had many discussions online about wine, walked into the shop for the first time.
	The customer, who was white, had come specifically to meet Mr.
	Douglas, whom he did not know was black.
	He looked at me and walked right past me to an older white man who worked for me and thanked him for all he had done.
	The employee pointed toward me and the gentleman turned around and looked shocked.
	He had never thought of buying wine from a black person before.
	He also looked extremely embarrassed.
	Yeah, he needs to do the work.
	There's a number of wine professionals at the highest level, and I don't want to promote multi-culti, but you kind of want other ethnic groups to get more involved because they sometimes have a really tremendous palate, just naturally.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	One of the best sommeliers I've ever run into is Japanese, who was just unbelievable.
	A lot of black guys get into becoming wine connoisseurs, and they get really good at it.
	It's not a shock to me.
	Well, apparently, the New York Times sees nothing but racism in the sector.
	That's the way it goes with them.
	This is nothing but racism.
	You're not putting in the work.
	Sticking on the racism tip, Black Lives Matter for just a second.
	The Washington Redskins...
	Since we've been doing this show, I think there's been, I mean, probably since long before that, people have complained, this name is no good, it's racist, we can't use it, on and on.
	And so they finally saw the noodle gun come out and they had to at least announce they're going to change their name.
	But what do African-American Indians think about it?
	Or some would say Native Americans.
	Well, I went to the source.
	Native peoples.
	I went to the source, NAGA, the Native American Guardians Association, who say, we do not agree with this.
	We believe in education, not eradication.
	And above all, we kind of like the Redskins deal.
	It actually makes me feel proud.
	It uplifts my spirit.
	It reminds me of my cultural background and my heritage and where I come from.
	It's never been an issue for myself or anyone in my family.
	Why?
	Why do they want to change names?
	It's not a big deal.
	Redskins, it's a powerful name.
	It's a warrior name.
	To break it down into something it's not, the intent...
	Has never been, never been to degrade people.
	Because it represents a strong, majestic warrior.
	I feel proud about that they are associated with a team that's a professional team at the highest level of football.
	In the emblem it shows a strong warrior and our ancestors have always taught us to be strong and be proud of who you are.
	I feel proud to be a Redskin.
	The Redskin's name, it's always been a term that we felt was a unifying term.
	And we do call ourselves skins too, which is derived from Redskins.
	I feel like it's too insignificant when there's bigger topics to talk about in Indian country.
	Our issues that we're more concerned about?
	Health care.
	Crime on the reservation.
	Alcohol, drugs.
	Just lack of employment.
	We have like four or five families living in one house.
	They've never asked Native Americans.
	I mean, it's somebody else who knows nothing about us trying to speak for us, and it's kind of an insult.
	To me and my kids, we don't think of it as derogatory or anything.
	It don't bother me in any way.
	It's not an issue with us.
	Hey, wait a minute.
	We just had a clip in the last show where this woman said, it's a racist slang term full stop.
	Well, no one thought to ask the actual Redskins what they thought about it.
	They like it.
	They think it's a warrior.
	They were proud of it, and they're kind of disappointed.
	This is propaganda.
	Where'd you get this horrible propaganda clip?
	From Naga.
	Oh, NAGA. The Native American Guardian Association.
	There was one Native American in there who sounded like he was from Canada, eh?
	Eh?
	Well, a lot of them didn't.
	Yeah, well, that border, sure, on the area.
	Yeah, of course.
	It makes sense.
	Mohawks.
	Yeah, it makes sense.
	Those guys.
	Some kick-ass guys.
	Those guys.
	Exactly.
	That's why we don't want to change Apache helicopters or Chinooks.
	You don't want to change any of that.
	That's badass.
	Do you have an ISO for end of show?
	No, I didn't.
	You know, I was thinking about that, and I was thinking about it while I was getting these clips, and then I forgot.
	It was just like it slipped my mind.
	Now, I do have for...
	I have one.
	Maybe a contender was sent to me.
	Let's listen to this.
	Okay.
	I've done some dumb things, and I'll do dumb things again.
	Joe Biden?
	Perfect.
	Yeah, dumb things, dumb things.
	I thought you'd like it.
	Now, I have a series of things I wanted to run off, but I can't now because the show's over, so I'm going to tease it.
	Okay, yep.
	Thursday, and I only even got, and this is only from the first 20 minutes, but I would recommend people go see this, because I'll have some thoughts on this.
	This is the interview that Steph Bonopoulos did with Mary Trump.
	Oh, crikey, man.
	You sure you don't want to do that?
	Because it'd be so, I think we should do it.
	I think we should tell the affiliates we're going long.
	Hold on a second.
	Hold on a second.
	Affiliates, affiliates, we notify you.
	We're going long, going long, and we're doing it live.
	All right, well, this is going to take about, this will be 10, 15 minutes, maybe.
	I can keep it down.
	Let's start with the teaser for the whole thing, which is the Mary Trump zero clip, where John Carl, again on The View, brings up the Mary Trump book.
	Now, anyway, how is he handling the release of the book?
	Do you happen to know?
	I mean, I'm told he's deeply frustrated about it.
	He obviously tried really hard to stop the book from coming out.
	He even enlisted his brother, his younger brother, Robert Trump.
	Trump's upbringing, his family, there's very little that he's ever really talked about.
	You know, we know that Mary's father, his older brother, Fred, you know, died, you know, Related to alcoholism.
	The president occasionally talked about that, but he almost never talks about his upbringing.
	There's very little known.
	And he's had nothing to say publicly about this.
	He's answered very few questions since this book came out.
	I tried to ask him.
	He clearly heard me.
	This was the day it came out.
	I yelled out, any reaction, very simply, any reaction to your niece, you know, Mary's book?
	And he completely ignored me, walked out at that Rose Garden event we were talking about.
	I wanted to ask another question.
	I think he...
	Figured I might ask about her.
	He did not call on me.
	He did not take any questions.
	He hasn't been tweeting about it.
	He's been amazingly silent about this, which makes me think it really, actually, really bothers him.
	And the reason why I'm very happy we're going long is I think this story is going to...
	Something's going to blow in the next few days.
	I don't want all this work to go to waste on these clips.
	Well, let's just...
	This is big.
	This is big.
	I'm not arguing with the decision.
	Mm-hmm.
	Fred Trump died in 99.
	This woman, who's a...
	I looked at her, I said, first of all, she was showing off her thumb ring, and she's kind of...
	She's wearing purple lipstick.
	Yeah, that's not a good look.
	And she's pissed off, and she's a pissed off lesbian.
	Oh, is she a lesbian?
	Yeah.
	When you see her, you see, well, she's a lesbian, and then you look her up, she's a lesbian.
	Okay.
	You have Lesbar Radio.
	You're fantastic.
	Well, the thumb ring.
	George Stephanopoulos did a long interview with her and at some point he had a look of disgust on his face.
	And by the way, when he does interviews, he's gotten to become an excellent interviewer.
	He asks the right questions, he does the right follow-ups, he strings the person along perfectly, keeps it going, calls them out on things, and he was getting annoyed with her because she was talking out of her ass.
	And you could just tell, she doesn't know anything.
	She doesn't.
	She doesn't know anything.
	She's talking about what Donald was doing when he was two.
	Right.
	How does she know that?
	She doesn't know anything.
	She was born in 65.
	She's a mind reader.
	She does have a PhD in psychology.
	Well, she's a licensed mind reader.
	She's a mind reader, and so whole book's about that.
	And you'll get a sense of that as we listen to it.
	Let's start with clip one and get the intro.
	Hello, and welcome to ABC News Live.
	We are hearing for the first time from President Trump's niece, Mary Trump, since the publication of her explosive new memoir, Too Much and Never Enough.
	And I sat down and spoke with her in this exclusive interview about her uncle, about her belief that he is, quote, utterly incapable of leading this country, and why it's dangerous, in her view, to allow him to do so.
	Here's my conversation with Mary Trump.
	Too Much and Never Enough.
	Explain why you chose the title.
	In thinking about my family, it applies because people associate money with them, understandably.
	And for my grandfather in particular, there was no such thing as having enough money.
	So I was thinking about what that meant and also thinking about the psychology behind him and his children.
	I was very curious about the foundational issues that Donald and his siblings lived through.
	And I realized when really carefully...
	Examining the kind of childhoods they had, particularly Donald and my father, there was this very real sense for Donald when he was quite young that there just wasn't enough.
	Love, attention, support.
	And for my father, who is quite a bit older, there was too much attention.
	You know, he was the heir apparent.
	My grandfather focused on him, was extraordinarily hard on him.
	So because there was such an odd degree of difference in terms of what the children received, again, particularly the two brothers, for Donald, There could never be enough to compensate for the loss of what he experienced as a child.
	And for my father, there was always too much of the wrong thing.
	That impacted everybody in the family.
	Her analysis of Trump is as good as mine of Robin DiAngelo.
	Let's listen to, I'm going to skip, we'll play the other clips, but let's skip to what you just heard.
	I want you to skip to clip five on our father.
	Tell me about your father at his best.
	Unfortunately, I can only do that through other people.
	By the time I was born, he was quite ill.
	Alcohol.
	Yes.
	Which caused all other kinds of illnesses, too.
	And because...
	My family, for reasons that are rather complicated, were very invested in portraying my father as a loser, somebody who didn't tow the party line, somebody who betrayed my grandfather by not going into the business, and doing the entirely irresponsible thing of becoming a professional pilot for TWA at the dawn of the jet age.
	I, much to my shame, didn't understand what he had accomplished.
	I was often ashamed of him, not realizing that he had no support in the family and was treated as somebody who was damaged beyond repair.
	Oh man, now I feel bad for her.
	She's traumatized.
	Yeah, she's exactly the same as D'Angelo.
	Yeah, and it's always the dad.
	The dads will mess you up.
	So, she never knew her dad, she says, but after you heard the first clip, she's going on and on with all these details.
	She's a mind reader.
	By the way, and I would tell you that Stephanopoulos was just getting more and more annoyed by her.
	Let's play a clip, too.
	Okie dokie.
	This is a long clip.
	It all begins with your grandfather.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	You say he's a sociopath.
	Yes.
	What do you mean by that?
	He had no empathy.
	He was incredibly driven in a way that turned other people, including his children, his wife, into pawns to be used to his own ends.
	If somebody could be of service to him, Then he would use them.
	If they couldn't be, he excised them.
	And in my father's case, tragically, he was not of use.
	He was the wrong kind of person.
	He was the wrong person.
	He was the wrong son.
	And my dad never recovered from that.
	And my grandfather essentially needed to get rid of him.
	You say your grandfather destroyed both your father because he wasn't the person your grandfather wanted him to be.
	Donald Trump is President of the United States, yet you say the grandfather destroyed him as well.
	Yes.
	He went about it differently because, unfortunately for Donald, he could be of use.
	To my grandfather.
	It wasn't as simple as that, of course.
	Donald had many years of watching my father be the wrong one.
	Behaving differently, not being accepted for who he was.
	And it's impossible to know who Donald might have been under different circumstances and with different parents.
	But clearly he learned the lesson from watching his almost eight-year-old brother be punished for being kind, for being generous, for being sensitive, for having interests outside of what...
	My grandfather thought was acceptable.
	You know, he loved to hang out with his friends.
	He loved to boat and fish and fly.
	By the time he graduated from college, he had his private and his professional pilot's license.
	He wasn't a killer.
	He was not a killer.
	And shockingly, that was a bad thing.
	And Donald learned that lesson.
	Wow, this is all just based on hearsay.
	She wasn't alive for most of that.
	She wasn't alive for most of that, and she never knew her father, even from the time she was born.
	And he died when she was 15 or 16.
	What I'm hearing a little bit of is someone who was familiar with her grandfather's thinking...
	Um, and her side of the family basically got screwed out of everything because, uh, he was the wrong son.
	And it sounds like there's hatred and jealousy of, uh, Donald J. Well, you have to remember that there was a big lawsuit over the inheritance and she was behind it.
	Wow.
	She only got 200,000 bucks, I believe, maybe, when, uh, everything was divvied up.
	Uh, and it went to the, to the, everybody else, uh, This is bullshit.
	This is a whole book.
	It's filled with just somebody...
	You know, this is worse than some of those early books.
	Remember the Michael Wolff book?
	Yeah.
	And some of these other...
	Well, you know, at least the Steele dossier had interesting hookers peeing on beds in Moscow.
	I mean, that at least was a story.
	Now they're dragging this woman everywhere.
	Oh, boy, she's the expert.
	Yeah.
	She knows nothing.
	She knows nothing and it becomes really apparent when you listen to her, watch her try to answer the simplest questions.
	We got two more clips.
	Let's go with three.
	You write that he knows deep down that he is nothing of what he claims to be.
	He knows he has never been loved.
	Does children love him?
	I don't know if that's true.
	I don't know my cousins very well.
	They're much younger than I am.
	Um...
	And I guess it also depends on what that means.
	What does it mean to you?
	To me, love means...
	Being connected to another human being in a very deep way, being able to share things with them and trust them.
	In terms of a parent for a child, it means sacrificing for them and accepting them no matter what and never putting them in a position to lie for you or cheat for you or take from you.
	And I don't know that most people in my family understand that.
	You know, I don't think this has enough legs to go.
	She's got nothing.
	She has nothing that the media can really sink their teeth into.
	Other than whatever she's just saying about stuff that she was only hearsay.
	I can't believe the amount of airtime she's getting.
	Rachel Maddow everywhere.
	Oh, they're just grasping at straws.
	I mean, if you think of the John Carl commentary that you heard at the beginning of this little presentation, Trump hasn't even got the, I wouldn't say the balls, but he feels bad about it.
	That's why he's not talking about it.
	Trump could just say, you know, he could say a few things about her, but he's not saying anything because he's more loyal, you know, to his family and he has to just assume he just has to let it slide.
	He's letting it slide.
	And Carl, I tried to ask him, he doesn't want to talk about it because, you know, he's scared of it.
	Scared of all this.
	Yeah, okay.
	And by the way, this deconstruction of something that the media is putting front and center is what makes people yell on Twitter that we are Trump apologists.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Just saying.
	You can't do anything.
	They also yell it on, apparently, on Mastodon.
	Yeah.
	He's only at you, though.
	I wonder what's going on.
	Mary Trump for this will be our...
	We'll finish with this.
	The gender divide in my family was stark, even for the 40s and 50s.
	She had very little to do with the boys.
	It was almost as if the boys were my grandfather's purview and the girls were hers.
	How does she know this?
	Well, because it's...
	I don't know.
	I think from quite early on...
	I think Donald just didn't expect much from her.
	He knew, I think by the time he was sent to New York Military Academy, that she wasn't going to stand up for him.
	And after that very tragic, Tragic year when she was quite ill and inaccessible when he was only two and a half.
	I don't think the rift was ever repaired.
	You describe her as being more or less at her wit's end with Don before he's sent to the military academy.
	Yeah.
	How so?
	He didn't listen.
	Oh, okay.
	So she actually has nothing.
	Nothing.
	Yeah, that's exactly right.
	That is...
	Wow.
	Well, then they are indeed at their wits' end if this is what they're rolling out.
	Better find something better.
	She's got absolutely nothing.
	She has no idea.
	And then she just contradicted herself in that last segment where she says, oh, Fred had all the boys and Mary had all the girls.
	Right, right.
	But wait, why is Mary at her wits' end with Donald then?
	So dumb.
	She is just...
	This is...
	I don't know what the problem is, but she does talk about she was invited to the White House.
	She was there in 2017.
	She has some stories to tell about that.
	I know she's never going to get invited back.
	Of course, you never know with Trump.
	But this is a pathetic attempt to...
	To just slam Trump against...
	Oh, by the way, she should mention she was a massive Hillary supporter, big donor, part of the 2016 campaign.
	Oh, okay.
	So she's a Hill bot, and she was disappointed that her nephew or whatever, I don't know how you rate these things, what you call him, uncle, won, because he was all in for Hillary.
	And so the whole thing is sorted, isn't it?
	This is just a pathetic, and to pick this up, that's why he's not getting as much play as you'd think.
	Yeah, she's showing up on MSNBC, but just saying this, I think this, I think he didn't really, he was three.
	I think he probably wasn't even housebroken.
	Whatever you call that.
	Everything in her book is hearsay.
	That's fantastic.
	Alright, well that's one you don't need to buy.
	Unless you want to get a twofer and there's a deal on this book and White Fragility, it may be something worth doing.
	Yeah, I would say.
	Coming up on No Agenda Stream, Grumpy Old Benz will be next.
	We've got end of show mixes from Rolando Gonzalez, Sir Seedsitter, who has been starring all over the show today, and Jesse Coy Nelson, always there.
	Jesse is with something to entertain us with.
	And we will return on Thursday with another episode of the No Agenda Show.
	Check out our brand new website, noagendashow.com.
	So happy with it.
	All jitty.
	And I am coming to you from Opportunity Zone 33 here in the Drone Star State.
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	Welcome to my show!
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where we're hoping to go four hours, I'm John C. Dvorak.
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	Until then, adios, mofos!
	and such.
	I don't need any fauci.
	Wants everyone to take a vaccine to achieve herd immunity or whatever that means.
	Well, I'm not an animal in any kind of herd.
	So I think I'll take a pass.
	It is a bit bizarre.
	I don't really fully understand it.
	But maybe I would do it if I could yank down his short trousers and jab a needle in his ass cheek first.
	Then check on him in a year and a half to see how he's...
	Bill Gates says we won't get back to normal unless we all accept a vaccine.
	But I was never normal anyway, so keep that needle to yourself.
	Although if I can pull his pants down and jam that needle into his scrawny little ass and check on him in a year and a half just to see how I still wouldn't take the vaccine myself, but it would sure make me smile.
	I wouldn't say I get angry, but I'm really impatient that we're not moving as fast as I'd like.
	And it sounds to me like you're saying, oi, girl.
	That's what I heard in the clip.
	I heard her saying oiger.
	You're hearing oiger.
	Oiger, yeah.
	Oh, here we go.
	This is gonna be fun.
	This is gonna go viral, finally.
	Exit strategy.
	No. Uyghur.
	Who tried to run game on a Uyghur.
	Who's butt wow with the trigger?
	Shame on a Uyghur.
	Who tried to run game on a Uyghur.
	Who busts our fuck ass up?
	Young Uyghurs.
	Uyghur.
	Uyghur people.
	Uyghur.
	Yeah, I'm hearing Uyghur.
	You're hearing Uyghur people, right?
	Uyghur people, yeah.
	Now, play it again.
	Play it again.
	Because the fifth one is the one I want you to concentrate on.
	Uyghurs. Uyghurs. Uyghurs. Uyghur. Uyghur people. Uyghur people.
	Okay, now the fifth one she says Uyghur people.
	But now I want you to put in your mind that she's going to say Uyghurs.
	Is she saying Uyghur or Uyghur?
	Uyghur, Uyghur.
	And your brain can make you hear either one.
	Uyghur. Uyghur. Uyghur. Uyghur. Uyghur. Uyghur. Uyghur. Uyghur. Uyghur. Uyghur. Uyghur. Uyghur. Uyghur. Uyghur.
	Oh, that's a good trick.
	Uyghur.
	Would you let your kids go back to school?
	I will.
	My kids are looking forward to it.
	Yes, period.
	Absolutely.
	It's so dire at this point where we've had to actually separate parts of our hospital.
	So we have two emergency rooms now.
	As much as I can.
	Without hesitation.
	Without hesitation, yes.
	Those other, you know, very, very critical issues that people come to an emergency room for, and then we have a separate emergency room strictly for COVID. I have no concerns about sending my child to school in the fall.
	I would let my kids go back to school.
	It's very serious, and we have to make sure.
	I hate to argue with you, but you can't test positive unless you've already been in contact.
	Everybody's a little nervous, but the vast majority wants to get back into school, and the majority wants to get back to school safely.
	We cannot trust the government and the media anymore.
	One thing that hasn't been mentioned much in the debate over reopening the nation's schools, the expenses involved.
	Okay.
	We know that even an N95 mask has tremendous limitations.
	Young people in this country are saying enough is enough.
	Bars, restaurants, and the young made their way into the crosshairs of governors of southern states.
	The virus is surging.
	This is not a moment for excuses or deflections, playing games.
	Every single one of you for crimes against humanity.
	Stay home if possible.
	It's going to get worse and worse and worse.
	The best podcast in the universe!
	Adios, mofo.

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