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	It's a nightmare.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, November 28th, 2019.
	This is your award-winning Kimbo Nation Media Assassination Episode 1194.
	This is No Agenda.
	I'm thankful for all of the Kidmo Nation's producers and broadcasting live from Opportunity Zone 33 in the frontier of Austin, Texas.
	Cap on the Drone Star State.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I'm loving my Mint 19.2, I'm John C. DeBoer.
	It's Craig Wall and Buzzkill.
	In the morning!
	It's our biannual event, ladies and gentlemen.
	Every two years, Adam and John will try once again to install and live with Linux.
	And how are you doing?
	Well, a couple of things.
	One, have you run Mint, or I'm sorry, yeah, Mint 19.2?
	I did, and I had to install that and test it because its codename...
	Tina!
	Exactly!
	Tina!
	I'm like, that's a sign from the gods.
	I need to try this.
	Yes, I did try that.
	A whole bit worked out for if you had not answered correctly.
	No, I knew this one.
	Yeah, I did.
	I built a virtual machine, installed it all.
	It's still a little too heavy for what I want.
	You're running it now?
	Well, not at this moment because I still have the Skype issue.
	Oh, yeah, of course.
	A couple of things I would recommend.
	People who are going to listen to this, they might as well do the following.
	Go track down...
	Ultimate Mint 19.
	Oh, okay.
	It's on SourceForge, and it's a 3GB install that includes about 100 apps, all built in and all tuned.
	Stuff's pretty complete these days, isn't it?
	Well, this particular Ultimate Mint 19, which is a year old, but they claim that whoever's doing it, they claim that they will support it until 2023.
	Oh, it's the LTS, yes, that's correct.
	Yeah, and it's live.
	It's live, so you can just boot it from the CD-ROM. But it's unbelievably complete.
	I know.
	It's got everything.
	It's got work processes.
	Once you figure out, first of all, you've got to figure out where are all these apps, and then you realize they're all in the start menu.
	You know what I've noticed, and I have my own Linux experiences over the past few days, That because of the historical culture of Linux, because it's open source, allows for incredible customization on everything.
	I mean, you can reset key shortcuts.
	You can move stuff around.
	And, of course, what this results in is a lot of preference panels.
	And you really got to learn it because you're like, well...
	It's like I'm using that clause mail.
	It's like, well, you have preferences and preferences for this account and then tools and then you have all this other stuff.
	But once you figure it out, it's quite enjoyable because you can actually make stuff work the way you want it to work.
	Well, it's old-fashioned.
	And when I say old-fashioned, I mean old-fashioned in the sense of what you just described.
	Yeah.
	That was, you know, never allowed by the Mac users.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, no.
	And they'd always go back and forth to the PC users.
	Well, we can do this, we can do that, and we can do that.
	And then pretty soon we could do it, but no one would do it.
	And so it just all fell by the wayside.
	And now Linux comes back with really that old-fashioned approach of...
	You want to do this, you want to do that.
	It has probably too many competing settings.
	And these are all kind of preset on the Ultimate Mint, which I would recommend people start with that.
	But another thing I ran into are these packaging operations.
	First of all, I found a Skype for this I tested a Skype on Lubuntu.
	God, people are like, what the hell are these guys doing?
	I tested Skype on Lubuntu.
	We're off the deep end, ladies and gentlemen.
	It was actually pretty good.
	I didn't have any problems, didn't have any issues.
	Sound was good, at least on the test Skype service.
	Sound was good.
	Well, I should probably try this because Mint is supposed to be very amenable to Skype.
	But I wanted to put it through a snap package.
	Yes, yeah.
	And so there's these overheads.
	So I'm looking into this, you know, I say, what the hell is that?
	And I look up Snappy, you know.
	Yeah, it's a plug-in, right?
	It's a package manager.
	Oh, okay, yeah.
	And then you can, oh, wait a minute.
	Yes, okay, Snaps.
	There's a bunch of these.
	The problem, I find that, you know, Linux is confusing because there's a million distros and they're all competing with each other.
	I thought this was a great idea.
	You have a package manager that you just write code for that and then you can put it on all the different distros.
	Well, kind of.
	The problem is the package managers went into competition with each other, and there's like 20 of them.
	Yeah, I know.
	And they all hate each other, and this doesn't work with that, that doesn't work with this.
	I'm still kind of an apt-get guy.
	By the way, you don't even have to type dash get anymore, just apt.
	That's what I've used historically.
	Yeah, I'm kind of intrigued by this.
	There's app image and auto package and flat pack and zero install.
	No, I don't know about that one.
	Oh yeah, there's a bunch of these things.
	It's a nightmare.
	So what I've realized, and I tried XFCE, I tried the same Mint you have, and I really like the minimal install Lubuntu.
	It does have the full office.
	It's got your little players for audio and video and those kinds of things.
	But really, I'm email and a web browser, and I don't need any other apps.
	I don't do any photo stuff.
	That's all, and it runs fast from the USB drive in a virtual machine, which is even more interesting.
	So there's another layer.
	I can't wait to get it installed on the hard drive itself, because then it'll really fly.
	It's fast.
	In fact, in some ways, and now I understand what the problem is with all these, you know, like Windows, but particularly the Mac, made it so beautiful, so easy, everything is smooth, and that's what's eating up all your resources.
	Not just that, but your screen is eating up all the resources.
	Just all this overhead, and I really don't care.
	You know, the UI is just a scroll bar.
	That's what your resources are for.
	Yeah.
	I guess.
	Anyway, that's your Linux update, everybody.
	Thanks for tuning in to...
	If there's anyone left on the stream...
	Well, happy Thanksgiving, John.
	Happy Thanksgiving to you, and happy Thanksgiving to everybody that's actually listening today.
	We probably don't have a lot.
	And we probably will have not a lot of downloads, but I want to thank everyone.
	Yes, and we need to do our traditional history of Thanksgiving, which is a no agenda history.
	Yes, I've added something new to it.
	Ooh.
	So I'm looking over my...
	I'm the Grinch of Thanksgiving, and I just want to mention, I'll read it from an old blog post from 2005.
	I'm always amused by the cock and bull story about Thanksgiving, about pilgrims, maize, turkeys, and Indians, when the holiday stems from an Abe Lincoln proclamation at the behest of a magazine editor.
	The road to today's Thanksgiving has a rocky road, in fact.
	I'm not sure when the baloney began about the pilgrims and the Indians actually took hold in the folklore, but I find it offensive that it's taught in schools as fact.
	I'm noticing that it's considered fact by everyone.
	Now, did you hear Trump's version of...
	Oh, no.
	You have a clip?
	Yeah, well, he did the history of the pardoning of the turkey, which goes back to Lincoln.
	And then, of course, he...
	My understanding is it's actually George Bush that really invented that.
	Well, listen to this.
	As we gather this week with loved ones across our beautiful land, we give thanks to God for the many gifts that he has bestowed upon us.
	Today, we also come together to honor...
	The beautiful feathered friend, the noble turkey.
	And that's a beauty.
	It said that Abraham Lincoln was the first president to spare a Thanksgiving turkey at the request of his son.
	In 1947, President Harry Truman accepted the first annual national Thanksgiving turkey.
	In the decades that followed, presidents from Kennedy to Reagan would show mercy to their birds.
	But it was George H.W. Bush who first issued an official pardon.
	In keeping with that tradition, today I will issue a pardon.
	Now, did you see the pardon ceremony?
	I saw only the part where he went after the guest trying to impeach him.
	Yeah, I'll just play it out.
	To a pair of very handsome birds, Butter...
	And his alternate bread.
	It would have been funny if he went diamond and silk.
	That would have been really cool.
	That's true.
	Look at you.
	Their names were chosen by the students of Harold's Christian Academy in North Carolina.
	Great state.
	Thankfully, bread and butter have been specially raised by the Jacksons to remain calm under any condition.
	Which will be very important because they've already received subpoenas to appear in Adam Schiff's basement on Thursday.
	Now, listen to what he says.
	You know how whenever he's bitching about something during his campaign, during his rallies, he'll say, it's true, it's true.
	And he does it here.
	He does the biggest lie that everyone knows is a lie.
	Spent on Thursday.
	It's true.
	It's true.
	He just says it's true.
	Just so you know, it's true.
	Hundreds of people have...
	It seems the Democrats are accusing me of being too soft on turkey.
	But bread and butter, I should note that unlike previous witnesses, you and I have actually met.
	It's very unusual.
	In any event, I expect this pardon will be a very popular one with the media.
	After all, turkeys are closely related to vultures.
	I don't know if I like that line, but there's a little truth to it.
	He's critiquing the writer's room on the fly.
	Yeah, he did.
	I don't know if I like that line.
	I don't know if I like that line.
	Yeah, you could have edited it earlier.
	No.
	Are you cold reading his jokes?
	Well, and I want to get back to Thanksgiving, but I just have a short clip.
	He did this rally in Sunrise, Florida.
	And he signaled something spectacular, which a number of producers caught.
	And I was very surprised, and I can't decipher it.
	Have a listen.
	They like to try and demean always by saying, well, this and that.
	Let me tell you, we're winning.
	You're smarter.
	You're better looking.
	You're sharper.
	And they call themselves elite.
	But if they're elite, then we're the super elite.
	It's true.
	They talk about these people that are elite that, you know, that are running.
	I mean, have you been watching these debates?
	What's elite about that guy?
	What's elite?
	There's nothing elite.
	But we're doing great.
	We're going to have a tremendous victory.
	But when I have a perfect call, think of it, 33, what they get away with.
	And don't forget.
	Now explain this to me.
	He throws a code 33 in, in the middle of a sentence, for no reason.
	It makes no sense.
	Listen again.
	What's elite?
	There's nothing elite.
	But we're doing great.
	We're going to have a tremendous victory.
	But when I have a perfect call, think of it, 33, what they get away with.
	33 what?
	Wow!
	He's just throwing in the 33.
	You know, the thing is, it was so well done, I didn't catch it the first time, as we point out on this show endlessly.
	Yes.
	You have to listen to things more than once.
	Because I wouldn't have caught that unless I clipped it and then played it.
	Listen one more time.
	Victory.
	But when I have a perfect call, think of it.
	33, what they get away with.
	33, that's the magic number.
	It's the magic number.
	I find it peculiar.
	All of a sudden, he throws in a 33.
	Just a random, loose 33.
	Just like I'm talking to you right now, 33.
	And the next thing you know, it doesn't make any sense anyone would do that.
	Unless there was a reason.
	After the show, I'm going to have to...
	Just talk and talk and talk 33 and then throw a 33 in?
	Maybe he was saying something in reverse speech.
	Maybe he'll have to reverse it after the show.
	Listen.
	I don't know.
	I found it extremely odd.
	Anyway, back to Thanksgiving.
	Yes.
	So Thanksgiving is a holiday that was kind of created.
	They did have some one dinner, apparently, in the 1600s with some Indians.
	There's some cartoons about it.
	But it's propagated as some sort of a celebration that began back when.
	In fact, it was referring mostly to Thanksgiving for the soldiers who weren't killed in one of these wars, especially the Civil War.
	And then it became promoted by some...
	Busy bodies in the 30s and 40s.
	It became a tradition after a while.
	It was more of a patriotic thing around the turn of the century.
	And I put a couple of pictures in the newsletter showing this.
	There was a lot of flag waving and stuff that goes on.
	It's been kind of...
	that's been kind of denigrated and now we want it there's even talk of this thing called friends giving well and you made a very good point in uh in the newsletter and as i was reflecting upon that the the transition from thanksgiving to friends giving is perhaps part of really a globalist I mean, it's not much different than trying to diminish and really get rid of the Dutch tradition of the Black Peets.
	Christopher Columbus, it used to be a big deal, particularly with some immigrant groups.
	Now he's a racist, and it's Indigenous People's Day.
	Murderer, torturer, saver.
	It appears more to be a global push to just remove any national traditions that you may have because we are the world.
	We are the children.
	We're all one global family.
	And this has to go.
	And the Friendsgiving, it really removes at least the original idea of, hey, we went through some hardships.
	We almost died.
	And we made it.
	We came out the other end.
	And here's this great country.
	Which, true or not, doesn't matter.
	That's the story.
	Like, Santa Claus isn't real either.
	But we still have traditions and stories and stuff and there's a meaning behind it.
	And the whole idea of a thankfulness.
	But it's the wrong part.
	It should be...
	You can't even do it that way.
	I mean, thanksgiving is you're giving thanks.
	And what are you giving thanks for?
	Well, you know, stuff in your own life.
	Like today, if today were Friendsgiving, it wouldn't make sense for me to say I'm really thankful that my dad passed away yesterday, so I'm thankful that he literally passed away, you know, he slipped away, and I'm thankful he was my dad.
	Friendsgiving?
	Couldn't even mention it.
	I didn't know that about your dad.
	That's true, by the way.
	I'm sorry for your loss.
	You never see him, but, you know, he's...
	How long did he live?
	He was a...
	80.
	I'm very happy that I saw him a couple months ago on one of my trips.
	Yeah, no, I saw him and I hadn't seen him in years because he was, the last ten he was in a home and the last three he was, nah, he was toast.
	From what I understand, quite the character.
	Well, I have a lot of his humor, his timing.
	I look in the mirror and I'm like, oh man, I look like him too, damn it!
	But he had all his hair.
	He kept his hair.
	But back to your point, yes.
	And in other news.
	It was Friendsgiving.
	I'm disappointed you didn't say love and light.
	That would have made me feel a little better.
	I never say that because for some reason I can't pull it off.
	Yes, Friendsgiving.
	Thanks for anything.
	What's going to happen is they're going to reverse engineer this into some sort of an international harvest festival.
	So it's a harvest fest.
	Well, let's see how that goes.
	Not that I have a clip, but following on with the Dutch, the Germans and the French farmers are now blocking highways all over Western Europe with their tractors because they're done with it.
	They're done with all of this.
	There may not be a harvest anymore.
	Well, I don't know what's going on, because every tractor in France apparently is on one of the freeways in Paris.
	What do you mean?
	I mean, have you seen those pictures?
	I mean, there's thousands and thousands of tractors.
	Those things should be out tilling.
	Germany had 8,500 tractors.
	I mean, it's fantastic.
	The farmers are revolting.
	It is a farmer's revolt.
	And no one is paying any attention to it.
	We are.
	Okay, you're right.
	But turn on the news and tell me you see one story about this.
	No, it's ridiculous.
	No, it's Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump impeachment.
	Trump, Trump, Trump impeachment.
	But even in those countries themselves, it'll be front page for a minute, and then, okay, it's done.
	And then as if it didn't happen.
	Well, back to Thanksgiving.
	Yes.
	I'll just add to one final thing.
	Every year I report something about the bogusness of the whole thing, because I'm playing into this whole globalist notion by doing this report.
	But I added a new twist to it, and I don't know how I ran into this.
	I started looking at, because we have turkeys all over town, And by the way, the wild turkeys out of Florida, oh my god, are those things got their biggest tail display.
	It looks like a wicker basket.
	It's dynamite.
	Osceola's or whatever they're called.
	So I got into reading too much about turkeys.
	And it turns out, because this was brought up at our dinner table a number of times, and I think I've heard it, and maybe it's even taught in schools, is that Ben Franklin wanted the turkey to be the national bird rather than the eagle.
	Yes, I've heard this story.
	Total bull crap!
	Well, Ben Franklin also flew a kite in a storm and got electrocuted, so.
	Well, that could be bullcrap, too, but this is total bullcrap, and it was created, and it actually became a thing in schools around 1962.
	It was an ad agency thing.
	Tell me it was an ad agency.
	No, it was a cover of a New Yorker magazine where they made the turkey, and then they related the story, and this story got into vogue.
	And it became like a – it just became folklore that became a truth, which is a real problem in this country and everywhere around the world where something – somebody passes – would that make sense?
	Oh, yeah, frankly, he'd be that kind of guy.
	And they had a letter – From him to his daughter or somebody, and he's moaning and groaning about the bald eagle being who he thinks is a chicken shit bird because it steals from other birds, doesn't do its own work.
	He goes on and on about this, and then he casually says, you know, the turkey would be a better bird.
	At least it's an honest bird.
	But that was about as far as he went with it, and he never protested the establishment of the bald eagle.
	Okay, so, well, then it was like a New York Times of the day, because that's what they do, draw a conclusion.
	Yeah.
	Offer some facts.
	The conclusion was drawn that the turkey emblem on the seal was put on the cover of a 1962 New Yorker, and the rest is history.
	All of a sudden, this is a fact.
	Well, Snopes should have a debunking of that.
	It should be very clear.
	Fact check, false.
	There's another one.
	There's a second myth tied to the alterations President Truman made to the presidential seal.
	It's sometimes said that the eagle on the presidential seal changes during times of war To face the arrows instead of the olive branch.
	Oh.
	This one is unquestionably false, although somewhat understandable.
	From 1916 to 1945, the eagle didn't face the arrows, a version that can still be seen on the resolute desk, but it was changed when Truman issued executive order 9646, modifying the seal so that the eagle faced the olive branch, a gesture symbolic of the post-war nation's dedication to peace.
	Huh.
	We're full of information on this show.
	The turkey thing has got to go, too.
	It's going to be a problem.
	There's this new movie out, which...
	I don't think it's going to be in theaters even, but it's James Cameron, Arnold Schwarzenegger, like a whole slew of big names.
	And it's called Game Changers.
	And, you know, you can host the viewing, and it's a whole movement.
	I haven't quite figured out who's behind it, but it's something of the day, and, you know, I'm sure this will include turkey by next year.
	One and only Arnold Schwarzenegger!
	I ate a lot of meat.
	They show those commercials.
	Steak.
	That's what a man eats.
	Selling that idea that real men eat meat.
	Serious man food.
	But you've got to understand, that's marketing.
	That's not based on reality.
	I've been teaching fighting techniques to government agencies for more than 15 years.
	Then I got injured.
	Unable to teach for at least six months.
	I spent more than a thousand hours studying science on recovery and nutrition.
	I stumbled across a study about the Roman gladiators.
	The gladiators were predominantly vegetarian.
	How could the original professional fighters be so powerful eating only plants?
	When I made the switch to a plant-based diet, I qualified for my third Olympic team.
	I broke two American records.
	I was like, man, I should have done this a long while ago.
	When I went plant-based, I wasn't sure if I was going to survive.
	And I actually became like a machine.
	One of the biggest misconceptions in sports nutrition is that we have to have animal protein to perform at a high level.
	That's just not true.
	Someone asked me, how could you get as strong as an ox without eating any meat?
	And my answer was, have you ever seen an ox eating meat?
	There you go.
	It's a game changer, man.
	Plant-based.
	All the cool guys are doing it.
	Yeah, I saw...
	I was...
	Jay had been turned on to this video.
	She said, you gotta watch this.
	Did you?
	I washed as much as I could.
	Well, as you saw, obviously, the problem with it is that it's just, at some point, it's like, okay, I get your point.
	And you just get sick of it.
	It's almost like they're insecure about their point.
	Yes, there's plenty of athletes who are vegetarians that do very well.
	They have a very...
	Generally speaking, it's not something you can do when you're growing up or it's not something necessarily that you can do.
	Like, for example, I have a...
	I know people that have dogs that put on a vegetarian diet.
	The dogs have all kinds of health problems.
	The dogs die.
	Yeah, you can't do that.
	That's apparently wrong.
	They have vegetarian cats.
	You can feed them a...
	We had a story about that where the veterinarians were saying, no, you can't do that.
	These animals need some...
	They have a particular diet.
	You can't make them plant-based only.
	And they don't talk about that in the show.
	And Schwarzenegger is disingenuous because when he was a big monster bodybuilder, he was not a vegetarian.
	I mean, there are vegetarian athletes who didn't perform as well.
	I mean, or they were subject to all kinds of weird injuries that you get.
	But yeah, if you're...
	You know what to do and how to eat and get all the right amino acids and everything in your diet through plants.
	You can do that with a lot of sesame seeds.
	It's fine.
	You can go out and eat that way and be that way.
	So what?
	What difference does it make?
	It doesn't make any difference to me.
	I don't get the point.
	What was the point of this exercise?
	Well, the point is, from my perspective, it's working.
	This is indoctrination, and it's, without a doubt, Agenda 21 driven.
	It is, you know, it's the impossible meat.
	It's the, I can't believe it's not.
	Which costs more than real meat?
	Oh, yeah.
	Does anybody find that to be disturbing?
	And it has a bunch of calories.
	It's not like the burger is calories free.
	It's got a lot of calories and all kinds of chemicals.
	You might as well be eating soylent blue.
	Or green.
	No, soylent green is people, man.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	One day, and we should be careful, dogs will turn on us eventually.
	People don't understand this.
	Already, and this is all part of the same thing, dogs are people too, and boy, we tell them what to eat, and we tell them when to go to the bathroom.
	What are they going to turn on us?
	You know, feral, they're going to eat their owners.
	I'm not getting enough meat, I'm going to eat you.
	And I just learned that cats...
	Technically, by European law, this is big news now in the EU, cats in Europe, by EU law, and this was all written up in the Journal of Environmental Law, are not allowed to be outside untethered.
	You are not allowed to have an outdoor cat in the European Union because they are a danger to almost 370 different types of animals.
	Yeah, including bubonic plague-ridden rats.
	Hello?
	You guys read history over there in the EU? No, man.
	They're creating their own.
	They had a cat thing going on back during the era of the Black Death, and it turns out that the cats could have controlled the whole thing by...
	But no, no.
	Cats were bad.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	Yeah.
	So the Black Plague or the Black Death?
	What was it?
	It was the Black Death.
	The Plague, Black Death.
	The Plague, Black Death.
	So there's information that that could have been avoided if they'd had cats running around?
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	Yeah, they didn't have any cats running around because cats were evil.
	For example, in my neighborhood, it's on the side of a hill, there's a lot of rodents in the area.
	There's gophers and there's mice.
	And there's some rats, but not as many as there are mice.
	And we used to have an old cat woman across the street that had all these feral cats that she would feed.
	And so there'd be probably 20 of them.
	And then another neighbor thought kindly on the woman and had the cats captured and neutered.
	So they wouldn't just go crazy around here.
	But we did have these 20 or so feral cats that were all over the place.
	And there was no mice.
	No, of course not.
	No mice.
	Now the cats, since they were neutered, they all died off.
	There's no more feral cats in the neighborhood.
	This took place over a long period.
	Now there's mice.
	You've got to get mouse traps and glue traps, and every once in a while you get one little mouse or two in the house, and it's just disturbing.
	You know, in future, we might want to do a little tutorial on how to get rid of mice.
	We've already done the ants, so we should prepare something.
	I don't want to discuss the best way because everybody moans and groans about it.
	Well, you're not allowed to stomp on them anymore.
	You know, there's the president...
	No, the president just passed a law against...
	What do you mean he can't stomp on us?
	Yes.
	Yeah, there's a...
	Let me see.
	I have it here somewhere.
	He passed a law, and it's the Anti-Animal Crush Act, I think.
	I'm looking for it now.
	Because apparently there's a lot of people who film and post to online video sites videos of them crushing small animals for fun.
	Crushing them to death.
	Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture Act.
	Which I'm sure can easily be expanded to having a dog in the house or a cat outside.
	Yes, it's the PACT Act.
	Here it is.
	It should be unlawful for any person to purposely engage in animal crushing in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States.
	Anyone who intends or has reason to know that the animal crush video will be distributed in or using a means of facility of interstate or foreign commerce or the animal crush video is distributed online.
	And so you are not allowed to post videos or even intend to produce a video That displays conduct or visual depiction of conduct that is the slaughter of animals.
	Oh, instead of...
	Okay, there's a lot of things you can do.
	So you can stomp on a fish if you catch it, if it's for food, if it's for research, if you're euthanizing the animal, which they also go in detail about.
	But apparently, this is so rampant, and it may even be a sexual fetish, That people film this crushing of animals and post it online.
	Yuck!
	Who the hell wants to see that?
	Enough people that they had to make a law about it.
	It must be a pretty big deal.
	Is that on Mastodon?
	Of course, they have to do that with a southern accent because we know it's only southern accent.
	Yes, of course.
	Is that on the Fediverse?
	Is that where we can see these videos?
	Probably.
	I just want to point out one thing, by the way, about the Ben Franklin myth and some of these other ones.
	The guy writing about the myths...
	This Jimmy Stampy who's writing in the Smithsonian about him.
	And he's...
	I gotta read this sentence about...
	Because he's writing about myths.
	And he says...
	In part by a 1962 illustration for the cover by so-and-so who imagined that the great seal of the United States might look...
	What it might look like if a turkey did become our national emblem above image.
	He's got a picture.
	However, while it's hard to imagine...
	That overstuffed flightless bird on our currency and the president's lectern, he goes on and on.
	It's not a flightless bird.
	This is another myth.
	The turkeys, they're very flightful.
	Yeah.
	They can get it.
	In fact, they can fly at higher altitudes than we normally see them fly.
	Normally, it's a pretty frightening thing to see.
	They're not very aerodynamic looking.
	They're not really very aerodynamic looking.
	No but they can get up.
	I was reading all about turkeys for some dumb reason.
	And I was reading that many turkeys can get up to, you know, they can fly at altitude.
	Okay.
	The more you know on the No Agenda show.
	Beautiful.
	Let's get into some nut job stuff.
	I got some nut job stuff.
	That's all that we got for this show.
	I got more stuff.
	I got multi-parters.
	I did some work.
	I have one multi-parter.
	First, I identified this over on the No Agenda Reddit.
	I made the mistake of checking in once again.
	It was more to see how the browser rendered on Reddit.
	And so this term that's been floating out there is now rampant, is that Trump is a cult.
	This is why I've got a whole bit about this.
	Oh.
	With clips.
	But wait.
	Well, I have clips too.
	Well, why don't you do it?
	Wait, more importantly, what is the GUI you're using for your Linux?
	The GUI for Linux?
	I'm using XFCE, I think.
	Oh, I'm using Cinnamon.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm talking about the Windows Manager.
	No, I'm just using Lubuntu, which is minimal.
	It's nothing.
	It's not command line.
	I have command line, too, of course.
	Yeah, of course, everyone does.
	It's just nothing.
	It's nothing.
	I'll send you a screenshot.
	Alright, now back to the cult.
	I don't want to...
	Okay, I got three clips.
	Well, no, why don't you do your cult thing and I'll play my clips.
	Okay, well, I'll start with one clip, which I think you don't have, and this is...
	So besides seeing it everywhere in our own group, people accusing no-agenda producers of being a cult, the cult of Trump, I'm noticing it in mainstream, which, of course, is where these jamokes pick it up from...
	And I would like to point out, I got a note from one of our producers, you should add cult to the long list.
	To the long list, yeah, trumprotation.com.
	I said, I don't know, I don't think so.
	And then I started hearing it and hearing it, and then, oh, brother.
	Okay, this is Rick Perry, I think, which Anna Devero...
	Okay, so Anna Navarro, you know, the nutjob Republican who's always on CNN yelling about Trump.
	So she posted that Rick Perry is the main cult member, you know, like one of the lieutenants.
	Just listen to this clip and it's so clear that he's in a cult.
	And you'll see that cult may be code for something else.
	God used imperfect people all through history.
	King David wasn't perfect.
	Saul wasn't perfect.
	Solomon wasn't perfect.
	And I actually gave the president a little one-pager on those Old Testament kings about a month ago.
	And I shared with him, I said, Mr.
	President, I know there are people that say, you know, you said you were the chosen one.
	And I said...
	I said, yes, you're the chosen one.
	So there's a very thin line between calling an outfit a cult and then saying, well, because it's a religious thing or it's Christian, it's a cult.
	And what Perry used there were terms used specifically by the family.
	Have we talked about the family?
	The family in D.C. It's all these religious guys.
	Yeah, that operation with the house.
	Yes, it's on Netflix.
	They have a whole series on it.
	They have a very good special.
	I think we should recommend people see it.
	Yes, it's a lot of episodes.
	It's a lot to watch.
	But they literally say they're looking for the wolf.
	You know, who will shepherd the sheep.
	And Donald Trump is...
	The people who had their hands on him, there was a picture a couple of years ago.
	The evangelicals were all there praying.
	Those are the guys from the family.
	And they use the example of King David.
	And the term imperfect, you know, the imperfect leader.
	So, you know, there's a lot going on here, and I know what you're going into because there's a book that came out about the cult of Trump, but there is an actual kind of religious cult in D.C., which Perry may very well, you know, be in contact with or belong to, and I'm just going to call it a cult, because looking at that documentary, it seems very cultish to me.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	It's a very cult-like operation.
	It's mainly one charismatic leader that runs it, and he's the guy who would make it a cult.
	If it wasn't for him, it was just a club, like a fraternity.
	Didn't he just die recently?
	I think he did, yeah.
	So now it's just going to be this situation that happened with the Church of Scientology, where you have a bunch of guys scrambling to take over the place.
	Right.
	With one guy emerging who's worse than the original.
	It was Doug Coe, C-O-E. Doug Coe was the guy.
	Yeah, Doug Coe.
	And Doug Coe, he died 2017.
	And he always stayed in the back.
	He was really interesting because he was one of those guys who...
	People should watch his special.
	He was very low-key.
	Because he went out of his way to stay in the background.
	Yeah, very, very low-key.
	But he's everywhere, man.
	Every president.
	But now, you know, this could be a part of outing them.
	I don't know.
	I'm just feeling there's a lot of stuff, and I hear Perry using these exact terms.
	Got me suspicious.
	Well, I have a different explanation that was brought up, and you want me to play my clip?
	This is the seltzer water guy on CNN. Yeah, I saw this interview.
	And so he starts off by introducing a guy who wrote the book you just discussed.
	Let's play clip one.
	He talked about his claim that Trump supporters are in a cult.
	Just last week, Dan Rather said he thinks support for Trump seems increasingly cultish.
	And this weekend in the Washington Post, Trump critic and Republican strategist John Weaver said the GOP is not a party anymore in the traditional sense.
	It's a cult.
	None of them are mental health experts.
	Stephen Hassan is.
	He's out with a brand new book called The Cult of Trump.
	He has first-hand experience escaping the Unification Church back in the 70s, and he's decided to write this book because he believes there's something seriously wrong with our politics.
	So there's a guy who's, of course, immediately equating cult to a religious organization.
	Sun Yung Moon.
	Yeah.
	The fact that he was susceptible to being suckered into a cult makes me wonder whether he's got a bone to pick or he's pissed off about the cult not doing what he wanted it to do.
	But he already had some...
	I don't know how to explain this, but I don't trust someone.
	He's got to be biased is what you're saying.
	Or it's like the guy who used to be a smoker or the guy who used to be an alcoholic.
	Yeah, they're the worst.
	They're the worst.
	Ex-alcoholics are the worst.
	Why are you drinking?
	You shouldn't be drinking.
	Ex-alcoholics.
	I hate them, man.
	They're the worst.
	They are.
	They clean up their act.
	Oh, you know, I don't drink.
	I don't drink.
	I don't know why you drink.
	Why do you drink?
	Nobody should drink.
	I don't drink.
	You don't drink.
	You shouldn't drink.
	I don't drink.
	They go on and on about it.
	Then they brag about how long they've been sober.
	I've been sober for five years.
	Why are you drinking?
	People who are sober are to be applauded.
	I do want to say that.
	Well, I'm glad that they're sober, but I don't need the aggravation personally.
	It's like vegans.
	I'm vegan.
	Yeah.
	Again, same thing.
	Vegans are probably worse, let's face it.
	No, there's only one thing worse is when you say, I'm a podcaster.
	Well, that's pretty bad.
	Couldn't you be an ex-alcoholic?
	I mean, okay, you're a podcaster.
	All right.
	So I'm skeptical of this guy because of his own background of being in the Unification Church.
	And then he's going to tell everybody else what's going on.
	But, you know, and he's a Trump hater.
	It's pretty apparent when you listen to clip two.
	So I define a destructive cult as an authoritarian pyramid structured group with someone at the top who claims to have total power and total wisdom that uses deception and control of behavior, information, thoughts and emotions to make people loyal and dependent and obedient followers.
	So, for me, the issue between an ethical, healthy cult where you're free to think and free to leave versus a destructive cult, I'm referring to Trump's organization and followership as a destructive cult where people are being fed propaganda and they're not being encouraged to think for themselves.
	They're not being encouraged...
	To really explore and look at the details and arrive at their own conclusion.
	Much of what they're hearing is emotionally driven, loaded words, thought stopping and thought terminating type cliches like fake news or build the wall or make America great again.
	You say the president is using mind control, but how is that provable?
	So we can start with the pathological lying, which is characteristic of destructive cult leaders saying things in a very confident way that have nothing to do with facts or truthfulness.
	The blaming others and never taking responsibility for his own failures and faults.
	Shunning and kicking out anyone who raises questions or concerns about his own behavior.
	His use of fear-mongering, immigration is a horrible thing.
	It is frightening to hear a cult expert say that you see all these signs right now today in American politics.
	Yeah, this was a good piece of that interview.
	Now, a couple of things.
	One, he says it's a cult.
	It's something you can't leave.
	And people are leaving this cult all the time.
	Then he asks him, he never said anything about mind control, but Seltzerwater says, yeah, this is, how can you prove that, that he's brainwashing everybody?
	Because he's lying.
	Because he's lying.
	Because he's lying is what he says.
	That's your expert on cults.
	That was his top reason.
	Well, lots of people lie.
	It doesn't mean they're cult leaders.
	Not only that, but there's a lot of...
	It's nonsense.
	To me, it was complete projection.
	What he was saying was...
	What you say, I was just going to say.
	It's that old Dutch saying.
	Yeah, but you say it by yourself, but you cope to the health.
	It's like what you are saying about the others is what you are yourself.
	He actually went on...
	I don't know if you saw the whole interview, and Seltzerwater drew the conclusion that, well, at Thanksgiving you can just offer people, well, why don't you look at one of my stories, and I'll look at one of your stories, and exactly the advice they should be taking themselves.
	These people in particular.
	I refuse to listen to Rush Limbaugh.
	Yes, there's a lot of that.
	That's the common thing, you hear stuff like that.
	I don't refuse to listen to anybody.
	So, in fact, I've been listening to one of these guys.
	I can't remember his name, but he's a left-wing talker.
	You've been listening to me for 12 years.
	I mean, you will listen to anybody.
	All right.
	So, of all people that have kind of the best explanation for this that actually makes nothing but sense is Scott Adams.
	Oh, of course.
	Yeah.
	So, listen to what he has.
	Why is this cult thing even around?
	He has an explanation to me.
	Literally explains it.
	So my worldview is completely consistent.
	So my worldview says President Trump did not do anything impeachable and therefore will not be removed from office.
	Now, if he's not removed from office, my worldview will be consistent.
	But what if your worldview is not only that the president did something that's impeachable, but several impeachable things, and their worldview is it's all obvious.
	There's no question about the facts.
	It's just all obvious.
	What would you think about the president not being removed from office?
	How would your world make sense?
	In my world, he doesn't get removed from his office because he didn't do anything that would warrant that.
	But if you think he did plenty of things that warrant it, how do you explain it a year from now when he's still in office?
	Well, we're seeing the answer to that.
	You already know the answer, right?
	The answer is that the Republicans are a cult.
	That seems to be the answer they're looking for to make their world make sense.
	Because if Republicans are a cult and not looking at reason...
	Then that makes sense, because the Republican majority in the Senate will never vote to support impeachment, but not because there's not evidence.
	According to the Democratic view of the world, it's because it's a cult.
	Yeah, it's simple.
	Simple, but yeah, I mean, it's like a desperate last-ditch effort.
	And I don't know how this, I mean, it's, Kemp, it's obviously the coincidence of this guy showing up with this book makes a lot of sense.
	I mean, it's just, whoops, and there's this guy.
	And everyone's calling Trump a cult.
	So do you think it started with him, or was it started, is it just one of those things that swells up, or was it coordinated?
	I think it's been building.
	Because listening to the Libjoes, Putin's running the country, their worldview is so skewed and irrational and wrong that And I would like to remind new producers to the show,
	the Lib Joes, which is short for liberal journalists, Lib Joes, two very famous writers, one of which is a journalist, who wrote for the big publications, the big papers, and you have continuous contact with them.
	For some reason, they find you humorous enough to clue you into their thinking and Because, of course, they'd never listen to no agenda.
	Because they're trying to convince me that they're right.
	Yes.
	That's what they do.
	Yeah, that's very nice.
	So they have a...
	They've had this worldview that, like Scott Adams said, that is wrong.
	And, for example, a year ago...
	Or longer.
	They were convinced, and most of them were convinced, especially by the beginning of this year, that Trump would quit.
	We played the clip.
	All the liberals would think, oh, he's going to quit office.
	Oh, the walls are closing in.
	Oh, it's...
	Whatever that one clip where he had a million people going on and on about it.
	It's a bombshell.
	This is the end of the Trump administration.
	The beginning of the end.
	Yeah, all of that.
	Right, the beginning of the end.
	And so they were, and they, the two Libjo's, were convinced that by this, the end of this year, he would have quit.
	Well, it's not over yet.
	We still have a whole month.
	And of course, I won bets on, during the election period, that when he was running for office, when he was first running in 2016, they were of the same kind of mindset, thinking that, oh, he's not, he's going to quit, he's going to drop out.
	And it wasn't like there was thinking whether he might drop out.
	No, he was dropping out.
	Yes.
	And he did drop out.
	So this is what, again, this is what Adams is referring to, where you have your worldview.
	You have to look at what you've decided as reality and how does the end result coincide with what it should be based on your reality.
	And it's not working out.
	No.
	And so you're running.
	It's not what they're expecting that isn't happening.
	So they're looking for other excuses.
	So there must be some reason for this.
	And now the cult thing pops up.
	Well, then kudos to Democratic Representative Lawrence, who is backpedaling on her decision for impeachment.
	Yeah.
	Apparently, there's pressure coming or something, and she's not using the cult meme.
	Let's go now to Democratic Congresswoman Brenda Lawrence, who sits on the House Oversight Committee, that are getting a lot of attention about this issue of impeachment and what to do here.
	Here is part of what you said about President Trump.
	Let me just play it so viewers can hear it.
	We are so close to an election.
	I will tell you, sitting here knowing how divided this country is, I don't see the value of taking him out of office, but I do see the value of putting down a marker, saying his behavior is not acceptable.
	Wow.
	I want him censured.
	I want it on the record.
	So she's calling for a censure, which is like, you know, an official.
	It's kind of the same thing that articles of impeachment are, but really censure is just like, well, you know, bad boy, we disagree with what you did.
	You say there, I want him censured, and you don't see the value of taking him out of office, referring to President Trump.
	What exactly do you mean by this, Congresswoman?
	But the discussion was, will the Republicans in the Senate go through and impeach the President?
	There seems to be no giving in that.
	But the thing that keeps me awake and troubles me in what I was talking about is that there is actually a movement to resolve the President of any wrongdoing.
	We cannot afford that to happen.
	But in the Senate, instead of possibly absolving him, you'd rather they not vote on remove or not remove than they vote to censure him in the Senate.
	Yes, privately, the Republicans are saying, yes, it's not right.
	He's done something wrong.
	But it's just not impeachable.
	We have to put a marker down.
	So I'm going to do my job in the House.
	And when it gets to the Senate, I was putting out there that this is a way for history to reflect.
	That this president and any president from now on, this is unacceptable and that we will not tolerate it and that we will say as the checks and balances in our government that we did our job.
	See, this is now where it's going.
	She said it three times.
	We did our job.
	We did our job.
	Everyone needs to know that we did our job.
	We did our job.
	We did our job.
	Don't be mad.
	Please don't be mad.
	We did our job.
	And she's going right around the cult thing.
	She's not even talking about it.
	She's going straight for it.
	She's in what I would call the proto-cult love camp.
	And as soon as I mention this, you'll recognize it.
	The proto-cult camp won't come out and just say they're a cult.
	It says that they're privately...
	Oh, yes.
	Privately.
	Senate Republicans are privately against Trump.
	Yeah, you're right.
	They privately hate Trump.
	You're right.
	It's there.
	I could have caught it.
	Damn it.
	Yeah.
	She slips it in.
	It's the same thing.
	Did you see Schiff?
	Did you see Schiff backtracking?
	Oh, he doesn't know what to do with himself.
	Poor guy.
	Poor guy?
	Yeah, I mean, really.
	I mean, he hasn't been able to shed his skin, apparently.
	His eyes are popping out because of it.
	His eyes are popping out.
	Yeah, that's true.
	That's true.
	Well, he was on Jake Tapper's show.
	I like Jake Tapper.
	He's always had an edge to him.
	He's pushing back and Schiff just pulls out the biggest chicken shit excuse ever.
	If the facts aren't contested and your committee is writing up the report and you don't, at least as of now, have any scheduled witnesses or depositions, do you think President Trump should be impeached?
	I want to discuss this with my constituents and my colleagues before I make a final judgment on it.
	Okay, you get Clip of the Day for just catching me on this one.
	Clip of the Day.
	Oh, I knew you'd like it.
	Are you kidding me?
	Oh, yeah.
	He goes on.
	He goes on.
	You want to hear a little more?
	This is very cute.
	Play the whole thing.
	Start from the beginning.
	Okay.
	If the facts aren't contested, and your committee is writing up the report, and you don't, at least as of now, have any scheduled witnesses or depositions, Do you think President Trump should be impeached?
	I want to discuss this with my constituents and my colleagues before I make a final judgment on it.
	But there are a couple really important things we need to think about.
	And one is...
	Are we prepared to say that soliciting foreign interference, conditioning official acts like 400 million in taxpayer money, White House meetings, to get political favors is somehow now compatible with the office?
	Because if we do, it's basically carte blanche for this president and anyone who comes after him.
	But are we also prepared to say that Congress will tolerate the complete stonewalling of an impeachment inquiry or our oversight?
	Because if we do, it'll mean that the impeachment clause is a complete nullity, and more than that, our oversight ability is really an ability in name only.
	But if that's your view, and you've also said that this week's testimony, quote, goes right to the heart of the issue of bribery, and you've also said that what you've seen is, quote, far more serious than what Nixon did, explain to me how you have not come to the conclusion that the president should be impeached.
	I mean, it sounds like you think he should be impeached.
	Well, I certainly think that the evidence that's been produced overwhelmingly shows serious misconduct by the president.
	But I do want to hear more from my constituents and I want to hear more from my colleagues.
	This is not a decision I will be making alone.
	But at the end of the day, this is a decision about whether the founding fathers had in mind this kind of misconduct when they gave Congress this remedy.
	And I have to think that this is very much central to what they were concerned about.
	That is a Wow.
	Yeah, so he did fail because now, I guess, next week the judicial oversight, the judicial committee with Nadler are now going to do some more hearings.
	This thing is falling apart at the seams.
	It didn't work.
	He didn't get the outrage.
	People aren't on the streets.
	There's no farmers with tractors.
	Get rid of Trump.
	Yeah, there's nothing going on.
	Get rid of Trump.
	None of that.
	None of it.
	And he even admits that none of his witnesses had anything, any facts.
	They didn't see it, didn't hear it.
	In fact, the only argument he has, if you recall...
	What's the guy's name?
	Mulvaney?
	Trump's new chief of staff who did mess up and he went in front of the press and went, oh yeah, quid pro quo happens all the time.
	Get over it.
	Grow up.
	Which, yeah, of course, we understand what he's saying, but it's like, here's some red meat.
	Hello, angry media machine.
	What an idiot for him to do that.
	Well, he thought it might work.
	I thought common sense would rain.
	Yeah, just play that one bit.
	Have any witnesses testified that the president himself explicitly linked a White House meeting or the $400 million in aid to an announcement about these investigations?
	Yes.
	That's a lie.
	Not a single witness did that.
	But he calls Mulvaney a witness, who of course was not a witness.
	$100 million in aid to an announcement about these investigations.
	Yes, the president's own chief of staff, the person who meets with the president every day on live camera, admitted exactly that.
	Yeah, except he wasn't a witness and he didn't admit exactly that.
	Vis-a-vis the most serious, and that is the military aid.
	But look, what Ambassador Sondland did say is...
	Everyone was in loop on the preconditioning of the meeting that Ukraine desperately...
	Yeah, whatever.
	Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	What an incredible douche.
	Wasting our time with bad television.
	There is almost no crime bigger in the United States.
	We invented that.
	And you ruined it.
	You made bad television.
	That's for sure.
	Did not consult us.
	Had just no idea what you were doing.
	No, no, no arc of tension.
	Just worthless.
	Oh, no, no!
	It could happen!
	Here's the slope!
	I got a Democrat here who's going to explain exactly how it will work.
	How your prophecy, John C. Dvorak, The man who predicted Hillary would run again.
	How many years have you been saying this now?
	Well, when was the election over?
	This is Robert Petillo.
	He's a civil rights attorney.
	He's a Democrat.
	And he explains...
	Well, in fact, the question was...
	Because he's been a believer in this theory.
	Do you think that Hillary can still step into this race?
	Well, I think...
	Odds are actually higher now than when we spoke before that she'll get in.
	Let's understand, the recent polling shows that there's a four-way split at the top of the race, and we may very well have four separate winners for each of the early primary states.
	Mayor Pete wins Iowa, Bernie wins New Hampshire, Joe Biden wins South Carolina, and then Warren wins Nevada.
	Then that means going into Super Tuesday, you have no clear frontrunner.
	Hillary Clinton has 100% name recognition.
	She has a formative fundraising base.
	She has a clear reason to run a rematch of 2016 where she won by over 3 million votes and now has a ground game to actually win the Rust Belt.
	If Joe Biden isn't able to lock down this nomination within the next two months, then there's really no reason for her not to jump in prior to Super Tuesday.
	So you have a ground game which is in place from the HRC08 campaign.
	You have consultants who have been recently leaving other top campaigns and as more candidates drop out, more of that top talent becomes available.
	Just this week you had Joe Biden's top Latina advisor leave his campaign.
	So those people are in place.
	She has the ground gang.
	She has clearly the fundraising apparatus.
	So for someone like Duval Patrick, is it reasonable or realistic for him to win?
	No.
	But for someone like Hillary Clinton, who already has the apparatus in place, it's almost a turnkey operation.
	You come in, you turn the key, you flip the lights on, you have a 50-state campaign already in place.
	Right now the party is completely splintered.
	You have about 30% in the Bernie slash Warren wing of the party.
	You have 70% who are staunchly against seeing that wing of the party win.
	Even we saw the reports this week, President Obama saying that he will step in to make sure that Bernie Sanders does not get the nomination.
	And because you have this splintering between Joe Biden, Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar, some of the other minor candidates, there is this idea that you just need a uniting figure to come in and bring these disparate aspects together.
	I like the idea of how he sees the four frontrunners winning basically their own little territories and there being no clear winner.
	And that that would be the impetus for a uniter to swoop in.
	Well, the first two, Iowa and New Hampshire.
	He's probably right, but Nevada is where he falls apart with number four, because a lot of people think that Biden will take that.
	So, we'll see.
	But I like his thinking.
	It's pretty much along the lines of my thinking.
	She does say the apparatus.
	She never busted up her machine.
	Never busted up the machine.
	She's still in place, ready to go, ready to go at the drop of a hat.
	She still has all these adoring fans.
	She has a...
	California, for example, all the women here that are hillbots are still here.
	They haven't changed their minds.
	They're no longer hillbots.
	They're still thinking she got gypped.
	How about that hit job, though, on Bernie?
	Because that was just...
	There's no proof of that.
	There's no fact that apparently Obama told one of the candidates.
	Yeah, no.
	I said it.
	You did.
	Out of emotion.
	Out of emotion.
	I think he did say it.
	It was reported on by way too many people.
	Well, that's why it's a hit job.
	Oh, it's a total hit job.
	Poor Bernie.
	Yeah, but it was reported as he said it to one of the candidates, but we don't know who it was, and we know that Mary Peake said it.
	Maybe it's just a hit job.
	It's a hit job.
	The newspapers, okay, first of all, let's line up who's on whose side.
	The big boys, the New York Times, and the WAPO, not so much the networks, although I believe maybe MSNBC, they're all behind Warren.
	And Warren is failing.
	Right.
	In fact, Warren doesn't help things much by saying maybe she'll have a vice presidential pick will be a woman.
	I read that somewhere.
	How is that?
	No, I heard her say it.
	She was being interviewed on some radio show or something like that, and she says the woman wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility.
	What difference does it make?
	It's a good idea.
	And that means it would have to be Kamala Harris because it would have to be a woman of color.
	She's not going to pick another white woman.
	So you have that combination of the death combination that has no chance of success.
	And so she's being pretty much booted out of the scene, but these papers have...
	It reminds me of one of the venture capitalists that we both know and love, who is a huge supporter of Democrat politics, billionaire guy.
	From Kleiner?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And he was like, he would, I remember during the, I think it was the...
	We're talking about JD, yeah?
	Yeah, of course.
	Am I allowed to say his name, or is that to...
	Well, I don't like to give him publicity, but he was like, he gives millions to these different organizations, and he's the one who turned probably the both of us on to the fact that he's doing it to get an ambassadorship to either the UK or France.
	Right.
	But he's backed Gore.
	Everyone he's backed has failed.
	He also backed half a billion dollars worth of green tech.
	He's not a great picker of anything.
	Not a great picker of presidents.
	Not a great picker of companies.
	They missed out on Google and it was so embarrassing that they had a...
	They bought in late.
	Well, they had a midnight meeting.
	It was explained to me.
	Maybe one day I can recall exactly what it was.
	It was a midnight meeting and they went to Sequoia and Vindolo or whatever and said, hey, we have to have a piece of this.
	We just can't leave this out.
	And they overpaid.
	They really overpaid.
	Now, of course, in hindsight, that paid off handsomely, but maybe only a third of what other people made.
	It was a panic investment.
	They failed.
	They walked away from it.
	They didn't see it.
	They didn't have the vision.
	Yeah, those are your top elite Silicon Valley guys.
	Can't be presidents.
	Well, again, as hot Democrats, with a worldview that's inaccurate, According to Scott Adams, you start making mistakes like this, and they never stop.
	One mistake after another.
	This is the reason you want to listen to the No Agenda show, and you can kind of fine-tune your worldview.
	It's not that we're right about everything, but at least we have some notion.
	We look at the logic of everything, and we see what makes sense and what doesn't make sense, and we try to Make sense of it.
	And generally speaking, what makes sense, literally makes sense, is the right way to go.
	And they've lost a touch.
	The more you know in the morning.
	And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in complete nullity, John C. Dvorak.
	Well, in the morning to you, also in the morning to all the boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water.
	And all the dames and knights out there.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And in the morning, too, all of our trolls.
	Thank you for showing up.
	Many of you, of course, from other countries.
	You don't celebrate Thanksgiving.
	But make it a little No Agenda Friendsgiving then for today.
	And our U.S.-based producers, thank you for being here.
	They're in the troll room.
	It's noagendastream.com.
	Darren O is here.
	He showed up for his Thanksgiving pre-stream.
	We appreciate that, of course.
	Last night, Nick the Rat in the sewer.
	It's a bonanza over there.
	No Agenda Stream.
	And a hearty in the morning to Data.
	Data has come onto the scene recently with the album art.
	And we had a number of...
	He's been here before.
	Yes, recently.
	Oh yeah, recently he's been laggard.
	Yeah, this is true.
	And he brought us the artwork for episode 1193.
	The title of that was Blafrican.
	And he did a nice Noodle Boys throwback with a bowl of noodles.
	And a little noodle emblem.
	And it was nice because he also changed the...
	He did his own No Agenda font and colors and didn't use the template, which is not a good or a bad thing, but it was a nice piece.
	And there was a lot of...
	We had like 28 pieces of art.
	There's a lot of art.
	Yeah, I'm just taking a look real quick.
	We had a lot of stuff that's just too small.
	I mean, you have really small words.
	Yeah, you've got to remember that when these things go down to, like, if you can't read it, it's 200 by 200.
	Yeah.
	Or 320 at least.
	256 is the size of the...
	It's about the size that you're going to be looking at.
	So it's going to be small.
	You can't put War and Peace in one of the artworks and actually get away with it.
	Or in the donation notes, for that matter.
	We thank you, Data, for your courage and for supporting the show.
	There's probably Data named after the robot.
	I think so.
	With your talents, and that is a great contribution towards the Value for Value network that keeps this show running and, of course, is contributed to by all the producers around Gitmo Nation.
	And we would like to thank a number of people who today are going to be...
	Now, we have a special producership.
	So instead of Executive Producer of No Agenda Show 1194, today you'll be able to use your credit as Executive Producer or Associate Executive Producer of the No Agenda Thanksgiving Special, which we think looks pretty good on a resume.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And by the way, anyone who still wants to get in on that, go look at the newsletter.
	By midnight tonight, you can still take part.
	Noagendaartgenerator.com, thank you very much for our art.
	Yes.
	We did get a few contributors to that special executive producer stuff.
	Well, people are thankful, John.
	I looked at the list briefly before we started.
	Heartwarming.
	People are thanking us.
	The majority who thank us also don't want jingles or karma.
	There's some exceptions, but it was just straightforward, like people were saving up for this day.
	Thank you very much.
	I'm just going to say it in advance.
	It was nice to see all the kind words that we will now embark on reading.
	Well, let's start with John Klein with $400.40 from Sin City, Ohio.
	Cincinnati.
	Thank you for the best podcast in the universe.
	Please send health and jobs, karma, for my friends who should remain anonymous.
	It's been a trying year, but that light has been getting brighter at the end of the tunnel.
	You got it, John.
	Thank you, and thank your anonymous friends.
	Oh, hold on.
	I'm going to do jobs, Carmen.
	That's what we wanted to do.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got karma.
	Jobs and health karma.
	Packaged into one little bundle.
	We have our contingent of executive producers for the Thanksgiving Day special, which you're listening to, starting with Sir Cal of Northville, Michigan, $333.33.
	Wait, you missed HTM Pools.
	Starting with HTM Pools.
	Well, he's second on the list.
	We just did starting with...
	Oh, no.
	These are the $33.33.
	Gotcha.
	This was a special donation amount.
	I got it.
	Okay.
	Starting with HTM Pools, $333.33.
	He'll be executive producer of Thanksgiving Day Special.
	In fact, of course, John Klein.
	It's Klein.
	I said Klein, I think.
	John Clean in Sin City, Ohio, will also be executive producer for this show.
	After a friend who got hit in the mouth by me mentioned that he has turned into a regular anonymous donor to your fantastically entertaining and enlightening show, I started feeling like a douche for not contributing for about a year already.
	So de-douche me.
	You've been de-douched.
	In appreciation for hitting him in the mouth, my friend nominated me on his latest donation, sending me off to the ranks of the Knights.
	Maybe a name change into something more romantic could be arranged.
	Does he want to change here?
	He says, from Sir Hubert, Knight of South China, into Sir Hubert, Knight of the Wild, Wild East of the Middle Kingdom.
	Uncle of the tiger.
	Well, that's more Chinese-y.
	Yeah, and it was an anonymous donor in China, actually, who dragged him into the roundtable.
	So, yeah, we'll do that today.
	I think we have it listed as a...
	Let's make sure we have it listed as a title change.
	Let me just double-check.
	And he continues and says, hope you guys can send some business karma away.
	We'll do that in a second.
	Well, how about I do it now?
	Well, I thought you were still looking something up.
	No, I got it.
	I got it.
	He just needed business karma.
	Business karma.
	Okay.
	Well, the goat needs to come in for the business karma.
	You've got karma.
	Let's be honest.
	If you don't have a goat, you really don't have a business.
	Now, the use of the term middle kingdom has fascinated me for about a year.
	Oh.
	And it refers to China.
	And I looked it up and I tried to do some research on its usage and there's a couple of announcers on the BBC and elsewhere.
	There's some certain specific announcers that always refer to China as the Middle Kingdom.
	I have not gotten to the bottom of this usage.
	He uses it too, I see.
	Sir Cal, meanwhile, from Northville, Michigan, comes in with $333.33, also one of the executive producers of the Thanksgiving Day special.
	Happy Thanksgiving, folks.
	Sir Cal and the team.
	P.S., we had a few conference calls.
	This is Sir Cal from Lavender Blossoms, lavenderblossoms.org, official CBD supplier of the No Agenda show.
	We had a few conference calls with Kevin Harrington, original shark on Shark Tank, and his team.
	They offered to propel us to new heights, but I had to decline.
	Our products are in over 20 stores and demand is growing.
	I'd rather rely on you, you, the listeners to the No Agenda show, to spread the word.
	Goat karma, please.
	What a great story.
	Now, if I recall, Cal was, I think it was a dude named Ben, Who literally bought the farm.
	He retired.
	He was sick and tired of it.
	I'm paraphrasing if it's wrong.
	But he's still alive.
	Well, but I didn't say he died.
	He bought a farm.
	And then he started to make CBD products.
	And as far as I know, the launch was kind of when he sent us He sent us some samples and we liked it and we had friends test it and it was working well on cramps and arthritic hands of firefighters and all kinds of people were liking it.
	And now he's in 20 stores turning down some shark!
	Like, hey man, hey, I really love your product.
	Do you want to be rich?
	Do you like stocks and bonds?
	You want to be rich?
	I'm going to leave your wife rich, man.
	That's how rich I'm going to make you, Cal.
	Cal, you with your products.
	Just come over to our side.
	10% of your own company.
	That's right.
	That's how sharks usually operate.
	I'll give you $250,000 and you'll own nothing.
	Let's give him the goat karma, which will help propel the business to even greater heights.
	You've got karma.
	Sir Code Monkey comes in next with 333.33.
	Happy Turkey Day.
	Please give me a random L Sharpton Sir Code Monkey.
	Sir Code Monkey.
	R-E-S-P-I-C-T Random enough?
	Sir Matt in Melbourne, Australia.
	33333.
	Happy whatever you want to call it.
	From Sir Matt in Melbourne.
	Melbourne.
	You're barren from down under.
	Looking at how many dollar roos.
	I don't know what he had to pay for this $333 because it came in as $333.33.
	He probably had to pawn off his car.
	I'd do the accounting based on the matching program to see where I would be.
	But in real money, this donation bumps me up to the level of Viscount.
	So I'd like to be, I think he's on the list, to humbly request the alternative title of Viscount of Victoria.
	Then my next few donations will go to the Dame Drive to bring my daughter, who claims to be a reluctant listener as I drive her to school, but can sing along with the jingles.
	That's how the cult brings them in.
	That's how cults work.
	It's exactly right.
	No jingles, no karma.
	Thank you for your courage, Sir Matt.
	Ficount of Victoria, pending.
	Yes, that will be today.
	Looking forward to it, Sir Matt.
	Thank you for your courage, and hello to your daughter.
	Yes, hi.
	Hi.
	How you doing?
	Sir, hashtag 33333.
	Happy Thanksgiving.
	Adam and John, thank you for working today.
	And yes, we do.
	We work on Thanksgivings.
	We've skipped one, I believe.
	Maybe two.
	Thank you for working today and every day to keep our amygdalas in a healthy state.
	Sir, hashtag blessed of the cavity aficionados.
	On that note, I am going to Holland for a small thing with my sisters, and I've been able to plan the actual cremation of my father around show days.
	I just want you to know that is how dedicated we are to the show.
	See, you can't put them in the oven on Thursday or Sunday.
	This is not acceptable.
	My sisters understand this joking.
	They're okay with it.
	So, Wednesday, this coming Wednesday, I fly to Amsterdam, middle seat coach.
	I arrive Thursday morning.
	I'll sleep, I'll prep, I'll do the show.
	Friday is when we have our family gathering.
	Sunday, because I have to stay a weekend, otherwise the ticket...
	$5,600 round trip.
	Stay the weekend.
	It's still $2,000.
	It's crazy.
	Did you ask for bereavement prices?
	You don't know about this, do you?
	No.
	Wait a minute.
	Can I get a deal?
	Is it too late now that I've already paid?
	No, actually, this tends to be for last minute.
	Oh, alright.
	Maybe they can, well, instead of bereavement pricing, I'll take an upgrade.
	Can you put me in business, please?
	How do I do that, do I say?
	I think it's like the customer service.
	I don't know.
	I've never done it.
	I just know it exists.
	Anyway, so I do the show Sunday and I come back Monday.
	So that was as it relates to we do care about what we do here.
	And being consistent with shows and show times is one of the few but significant secrets to our success.
	Yes, it does make a difference.
	This is a, yeah.
	I mean, I'm reminded of The Good Place, the TV series, which is like one of these very cavalier.
	Rick and Morty's a little like this.
	Very cavalier.
	Let's put on some episodes this year and skip a couple years, put it on again, you know, because we're so great that people just keep coming back.
	And I get kind of lost interest.
	I mean, I'll probably watch the series, finish it off, because it's the last season.
	They only do four seasons, which is dumb.
	But why did you lose interest?
	Because it's been over a year, you know, I forgot all about it.
	There's really something about regimentation helps a lot, habits.
	These sorts of things are important.
	It turns out that, you know, if you get into a groove about something, you'll, and then all of a sudden it disappears, and then you've lost the groove, and yeah, I've heard of it.
	I'm not going to go.
	It's true.
	So we work on Thanksgiving, because we're freaking paranoid.
	Yeah.
	We have never run a rerun on this show.
	A rerun?
	No, never done a rerun.
	No, no, no.
	We've done specials.
	Occasionally we've done interview shows.
	Everything's fresh and new.
	Pretty much.
	Or it's been remixed to be fresh and new.
	Just a little lesson for you podcasters who think that you can just cavalierly do a show whenever you feel like it because it's a podcast.
	No, end of lecture.
	Onward to Sir Ray Jacobson in Ashland, Virginia, who also comes in as a Thanksgiving Day executive producer.
	Uh...
	I give thanks that no agenda exists.
	I'd like to request family vacation karma and that my grandson can attend.
	Insert family drama here.
	His mother is denying an upcoming film, a fun-filled Florida vacation to a four-year-old with his dad and possibly the last time in his life to meet his great-grandmother.
	Goat karma would be best.
	Oh, yeah.
	Family drama like that.
	That sucks.
	I would say, particularly because meeting your great-grandmother, my daughter met her great-grandfather's, and I think it was valuable.
	For me, certainly.
	For them.
	For you.
	For them and for me.
	You can't remember anything.
	You've got karma.
	There you go, man.
	Thank you for your support.
	So, it's like, we're talking about, a couple years ago when we were in London, we were going to go to Paris on a side trip, since we're all over there for that big, kind of a meet-up.
	We had a meet-up.
	But we couldn't arrange it, you know, it was too many people, we never got over there, we just stayed in London.
	And I think Jay was lamenting this, and I said, you've been to Paris!
	And she says, yeah, when I was two.
	It doesn't count, does it?
	Yeah.
	And it doesn't count.
	Sir 10T, the Duke of the 7th Federal Reserve District in 33333.
	He says at the beginning, no harm, no foul.
	Crackpot and Buzzkill, thank you both for your twice-weekly dose of sanity on Thursday and Thursday.
	And my best wishes for today's celebration of the harvest.
	There we go.
	There it is.
	He's starting it.
	There's the harvest.
	It's launching on our own damn show, John.
	Yeah, that's what happens.
	No agenda.
	What better show?
	Anyway, to all the no-agenda producers, especially those in the 7th Federal Reserve District, this donation is to be applied to the knighthood of Jofo, who manages X, Y, R, own accountants.
	Zer.
	Zer.
	Please, I won't be able to read this stuff in the future.
	Please play the jingle requests, China is a ho, it's true, and a Fletcher call-out.
	He wants a Fletcher Foley call-out.
	Interesting.
	Keep up the great work, Sir Tan T. Duke of the 7th Federal Reserve.
	China is an asshole!
	That's true.
	Foley!
	Okay.
	We did it for you.
	You know, I exchanged some notes with Foley.
	Oh, yeah?
	Grand Duke of Silicon Valley.
	Uh-huh.
	I said, you know, what about using your house for a Silicon Valley meetup?
	Ooh, he has a great place for that.
	So I thought it was an imposition.
	You know, from even my own perspective, that took a lot of nerve.
	Kind of.
	But you went for it.
	Of course.
	And?
	I said, yeah, it's a great idea.
	So now I have to think about maybe doing that.
	Now you have to go.
	Well, the problem is, you know, the thing is, it's like, do you want a bunch of these guys over at your house that are, I don't know, it's like I have mixed feelings about doing it.
	Stop, stop, hold on.
	No, it's not because of the people, it's just because of the bar and the tab and the You know, the way we normally do is at a bar and everyone picks up their own tabs.
	We do have a few people that are generous and they like to buy drinks for everybody.
	Oh, that's a good point.
	And the atmosphere is bar-like.
	It's kind of a bar atmosphere that, you know, it's noisy.
	It's got other people.
	It's not just an isolated...
	So what you're saying is you really embarrassed yourself with this one is what you're saying.
	It's not a good request.
	Well, I'm thinking twice about it, because of the nature, unless we get a band in there.
	Hey, and can you get the Stones, Foley?
	What's your problem?
	We want a meet-up, and we want Mick and...
	The Stones, yeah, that's what we want.
	Well, that would be cool.
	Yeah, that would...
	Hey, I'd come over for that one.
	Yeah, you would.
	Okay.
	Anyway, Sir Warren Carroll's next on the list with $333 from Indianapolis, Indiana.
	Your baronet of bottom filling here.
	I have decided to spend my budgeted amount for psychedelics on the show since it's just as important for my mental health.
	He's got some little comment there.
	Thank you for all that you do and if any producers want to see the coolest beer dispenser in the world, check out Bottomsupbeer.com.
	Yeah, I believe Sir Warren.
	I've seen this.
	It's been around for a while.
	It's very successful.
	I believe Sir Warren works at the company.
	This is the company that they have a bar top, you know, a tap, and you put the glass on top of it and it fills up from the bottom.
	Which has a lot of benefits.
	We've talked about it on the show.
	The main one to the bar is a significant increase in profit because less waste, etc.
	It's a cool device.
	Bottoms up beer.
	They have them in Austin now, too.
	I'll have to check this out.
	Dame G Money, 333.
	I know Dame G Money.
	I met her at the meetup.
	Happy Thanksgiving to No Agenda Nation.
	This year I'm thankful for my normal-sized amygdala, John and Adam, and all your producers, douchebags and slaves.
	Can I get some Pelosi jobs karma and a F cancer from my girl Montgomery?
	Love you.
	Mean it.
	P.S. I could also use a de-douching.
	We'll give her that right now.
	You've been de-douched.
	It's been a long time since my last donation.
	Alright, we got it for you.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	On to the associate executive producers, starting with Baronet Stephen of Oswego, with the ever-popular donation of 23456.
	I need some serious jobs karma, boys!
	Going for an IT job at the VA, so better make it the old tried and true, not this newfangled stuff.
	Add a swazzle nuff twist if you can.
	Still looking for a smoking hot girlfriend.
	Baronet Steven of Oswego.
	Okay, he wants an old school swazzle nuff.
	We can do that.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got karma.
	69!
	69, dudes!
	There it is.
	There it is.
	With our barons, Sir Dave Fugizotto, Saudi Arabia somewhere, or Middle East, who knows?
	23456, also popular.
	Dear Stuffing Engraving, thanking you for your courage.
	Please give us some travel karma for Dame Melody and Lady Isabel as they head to Lola's house for the holiday.
	Also, a second special karma for producer Jerry E. G. In Houston.
	Jerry G. Also, a second special karma for producer Jerry G. In Houston, who lost his mom this week.
	Thanks.
	You guys really are the B-P-I-T-U. Have a swell holiday weekend, Dave.
	Now, wait.
	He did ask, and since he is a baron, And who came in last show.
	And he specifically asked for separate two Karmas.
	And I think we have to deliver those.
	Do we keep them the same or should I make one a goat?
	I think the goat for the travel.
	Yeah, goat for the travel.
	Goat for the travel.
	You've got...
	Karma.
	And here's the special one for his buddy.
	Here we go.
	You've got...
	Karma.
	All right, we deliver once again.
	Miles, well, especially for high-end.
	Of course.
	The high-end.
	The high-end.
	Managerial class.
	Miles Putnam.
	$211.20.
	He may be our new handlers.
	We don't know.
	Who knows?
	N-I-N-C. Although I do need a D-N-J-N-C. He thinks Carmine should be a K. But he does need a dedouching?
	Yeah, we got that.
	You've been dedouched.
	I'd like to thank everyone for the hard work they put into the show.
	Adam and John, your insight is invaluable, and I'd like to especially thank both of you for being open and honest with your opinions.
	And big thanks to all the producers.
	I'm very happy the show doesn't run ads.
	And both in art and jingles are top-notch.
	I'm surprised Utah hasn't come up with the pronunciation debate.
	I'm not getting that.
	I don't know.
	Utahns have been dropping their T's.
	Oh, I see.
	So it's not Utah, but you are.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	Here's some fun short clips to play if you know the history behind it.
	According to the BYU study linked below, Utahns dropped a T differently than the rest of the U.S. Here's some fun short clips to play.
	Anyway, if you have the time.
	Normal tea drops.
	Anyway, he's got a bunch of these examples.
	We'll put them together and put them in a future show when we get into that topic again.
	Unless you did that, which I doubt.
	No, I didn't.
	I just looked for them, actually, but I couldn't find them that quick.
	Okay, we'll do something with that later because it's a funny idea that Utah, which does have its own kind of accent.
	Utahns.
	Utahns.
	Would have a different way of doing this.
	Well, they'd have to.
	Yeah, they'd have to.
	Whatever they call it.
	Roger Worley in Bangkok, $208.88.
	Okay, the No Agenda Show is essential to my well-being.
	He's in Bangkok.
	Another donation was long overdue.
	I'm grateful for what you and Adam do.
	Keep up the good work and please send me a health and jobs karma.
	Thanks.
	As for the newsletter, I always receive them just fine.
	How would you know if you didn't?
	That's the question I have to ask.
	Yeah, remind me to mention something about the newsletter and email issues, because we have some people who are of well mind, but are making some thinking mistakes about that.
	Jobs and health karma?
	Yes, we got that for you.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Missile karma.
	Christine Kodega.
	Or Katiga, one of the two.
	$200.
	Happy Thanksgiving, John and Adam.
	Thankful for both of you and the No Agenda family.
	Dittos, Christine.
	Thank you.
	Robert Simpson, $200.
	This donation is one half of the $400 filing fee for opposition to the trademark application for the No Agenda t-shirts.
	NJNK, and no need to read further.
	But he does say, thanks for handling that so quickly.
	So what exactly does this mean?
	It means, I think, isn't he the t-shirt guy?
	I don't know.
	This is not No Agenda Shop.
	Was Simpson involved with it?
	Well, whatever the case is, he gave us 200 bucks to help.
	Whatever you're doing, thank you very much, because yes, we are on that case.
	We are going to push back, because we have to.
	You can't just step in.
	You can't just step in and use our name like that.
	Uh-uh.
	Uh-uh.
	No.
	No, it's not okay.
	James Gillickson.
	And we're two of the most open guys.
	Use whatever you want.
	Please credit us.
	Copy the show.
	Anything you want.
	We don't complain about Stitcher putting ads around our show.
	We don't complain about Spotify and Pandora just putting our shows on, having ads, tracking.
	I didn't put it up there.
	We don't complain.
	Please just copy it.
	But this was going a little too far.
	Fox Nation.
	Yeah, I thought so, too.
	Sorry.
	You read the cease and desist order?
	Yes, I did.
	It was quite funny.
	Should we read that on the show one day, or is that not good etiquette?
	Maybe.
	Maybe one of these days.
	Right now, I think we'll just let the lawyer do his thing.
	Okay.
	Robert Simpson.
	James Gillick.
	Did you do Robert Simpson?
	No, I didn't.
	Robert Simpson, 200.
	Yeah, we did.
	No, that was Robert Simpson.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm all confused.
	I'm a mess.
	James Gillickson.
	That's who we're talking about.
	James W, as a matter of fact.
	ITM gents.
	Today, I'm truly thankful for all that you do to keep us sane.
	I would like to ask for some health karma from my brother and fellow producer, Tom Gillickson, who will be having a procedure this Friday.
	He would like a foamer.
	And any Rev-L mix would be appreciated.
	Oh, my God!
	Woo!
	Listen to that horn!
	Thanks to you, Ed.
	Is this Crown Hog Day 2?
	We are watching That Was Attorney General Eric Holder's ABDs about some Republicans at home are already beating the drums of war.
	Today, the Pentagon refuted that claim.
	And he said the American people do not want him to, quote, Drittling.
	You do not want him.
	Okay, Al.
	Xander Walachia.
	200.
	He's in New Jersey.
	Jersey!
	Jersey rules, or whatever you say.
	Jersey strong.
	Jersey strong.
	Jersey rules.
	First things first.
	Happy Thanksgiving, John and Adam.
	Most media douchebags have checked out for the week, as they have.
	We can always count on the two of you to continue to inform and entertain us.
	The news cycle doesn't stop.
	That's right.
	I took a look at the last time I donated.
	It wasn't since episode 760.
	That's too damn long in my opinion.
	My opinion, too, actually.
	That's okay.
	You guys offer a lot of value, so it's about time I provide some value in return.
	It's a holiday, so I'll spare the douchebag call-outs against the freeloaders.
	They know who they are.
	My smoking hot wife and I are planning to move to Pennsylvania in the new year.
	May we get some house buying karma, please?
	At the same time, this will be an expensive endeavor, so we need to get used to eating mac and cheese, and we will for sure be living the mac and cheese life for the foreseeable future.
	Anyway, like those two jingles.
	Enough goofing off on my end in closing this.
	Thanksgiving, I'm most thankful for the No Agenda show.
	Hope you fine gentlemen get to enjoy some time with the loved ones after the show, and we will.
	Yes, indeed.
	Well, we'll give you this one.
	Living The Mac and Cheese Life.
	Mac and Cheese.
	You've got karma.
	Sir Maxine Waters Gravel's back.
	200.
	Season's greeting and Happy Thanksgiving.
	It could be 10 people doing this, but I think it's the only one.
	Anything's possible.
	Yeah.
	John, a quick reminder.
	It is SirMWG and not Dame.
	Yes.
	What did I do?
	On a previous show, you misgendered.
	Oh no!
	The misgenderization on the show must stop.
	First it was Derby Dyke, then some dude named Robin, then me.
	I'd have gone gender neutral, but several queries, no pun intended, into the peerage committee went unanswered.
	The peerage committee is on hiatus.
	They'll probably get back to you as soon as they get back.
	Perhaps a rebranding of the show to no agender.
	Get it?
	Agender.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Is in order.
	Anyway, jingle request.
	Biden whole load.
	Whoopi get out of my vagina.
	JCD electrifying my balls.
	And Peterson's that's wrong.
	Perhaps whether that's true at the very end.
	The Love Light in Turkey, MWG. I'm just looking for the Peterson that's wrong.
	Oh, here it is.
	Peterson's that wrong.
	And then what's the last one?
	That's true at the very end.
	Okay.
	That's quite a lot to look up.
	And I actually gave it a little extra twist.
	I'm going to give you the whole load today.
	Get out of my vagina.
	Get out of my vagina.
	This is electrifying my balls.
	That's wrong.
	That's true.
	Okay.
	Was there any karma?
	No, there was no karma needed, right?
	No, he doesn't care about the karma.
	Just the lewd list of clips.
	Yes, thanks a lot.
	All innuendo.
	Sir Dirt Farmer of Illinois 200.
	He'll be our last associate executive producer for this fine show.
	Thanks for the harvest, Karma.
	The farmers needed it.
	Best to all the producers out there.
	Have a great Thanksgiving and chip in!
	Interesting that this is the second producer on today's list who spells Karma with a C. Yeah.
	I mean, language does change.
	I mean, maybe we have to adhere to this.
	It's just a random number.
	You've got Karma.
	That was some special ag trade karma.
	Ag trade karma, exactly.
	That's our group of associate executive producers and executive producers for the special Thanksgiving Day special for show 1194.
	I want to thank each and every one of them for helping us do this.
	I believe I have...
	I do believe I've got to make goods.
	One is from...
	For Sir Richard Leiter.
	Last week, John only read the second half of my donation note, which called out my friends as douchebags.
	But the real impetus for the donation was jobs karma, most powerful strength available for my daughter who graduated from pharmacy school and passed her boards this summer but can't find a job.
	She's getting desperate.
	She's also married to a douchebag and is in need of some serious relationship karma.
	Well, the two sometimes are related.
	I'm just saying that is sometimes how the universe works.
	So, if she's listening...
	Sometimes you gotta deduce yourself to make something change.
	Anyway, relationship and jobs karma as make good here.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Yay!
	We've got karma.
	And also got a note from Jennifer Ogley, which is important.
	He says, forgive me, Adam and John, I meant to send this email much sooner to address the donation I made for my husband on episode 1175 in the amount of $210.25 for our anniversary.
	I failed to ask for the donation to be made in his name, Matthew Ogley, so he could get the credit as producer for the episode as he is actively seeking employment and would like to use the credit on his LinkedIn and resume.
	Are we able to rectify this?
	Yes.
	In fact, I would say because it's a job-related thing and it's for the LinkedIn.
	If it's okay with you, John, can he have a special...
	Can he have a...
	The Thanksgiving special?
	Associate Executive Producer for the Thanksgiving Day special?
	Yeah, because that'll look really good on his resume.
	Yeah, it would be easier than editing the old things.
	Just put them on the list.
	It's a make good.
	It's what you do.
	You read my mind.
	Let me just make sure we...
	It's like, how can we make this easier?
	Hold on a second.
	I just want to make sure I do this properly.
	If I don't, we're in trouble.
	What's his name again?
	Matthew...
	Matthew McGonaghy.
	Matthew Ogley.
	Ogley EY. Okay, good.
	And then she says, goes on to say, I also asked for Jobs Karma for him, which he did not receive, and since the show has still not found employment, so as a desperate plea, can he please receive and make good on Jobs Karma so hopefully in the future I can report back the Job Karma.
	The sooner he gets a job, the sooner we can donate.
	That's not what it's about.
	The last request, please de-douche him as this was our first donation.
	Okay, you got it.
	Sorry we missed all that.
	You've been deduced.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs.
	We're the goats.
	You've got karma.
	And thank you to all our executive producers of the No Agenda Thanksgiving special and our associate executive producers of the No Agenda Thanksgiving special.
	It will look very good on your LinkedIn.
	Make sure you send a link or post something so that we can see that.
	And thank you for your courage.
	Thank you for your thanks, really.
	It's noticed and it's appreciated, particularly on this day when we give thanks and when we're also here when most people aren't.
	That's our way of thanking you.
	Value, value, meet in the middle, perfect.
	If you want to help us out even more, Sunday, we'll do it all over again.
	Go to...
	And you know everything about the history of Thanksgiving.
	Once again, propagate.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Shut up, play.
	Shut up, play.
	I want to do a quick little aside here since I want to record that Scott Adams clip.
	Uh-huh.
	I got another one from that same show of his.
	He does a show on Periscope.
	Yeah.
	His live microphone camera thing.
	Now, I've talked about this.
	Perfect Silicon Valley description of what Periscope is.
	Live microphone camera thing.
	Yes.
	So I had discussed either the last show or the show before sometime about the magic, black magic being used by Steve Jobs.
	Yes, we even have an end of show clip about the black magic of Elon by Sir Chris Wilson.
	Well, here's an interesting, even though Scott doesn't say it per se the way I did, listen to this clip about his...
	So let's talk about the Cybertruck.
	Apparently there are 200,000 orders for that thing.
	And I told you the last couple of days that I started with, ugh, that thing is ugly.
	And a day later I was starting to think, well, maybe.
	I wouldn't mind having one of those Cybertrucks.
	And then the third day in, I really want one.
	I totally want one.
	So whatever magic...
	Elon Musk uses to make us want his products.
	He's doing it again.
	And Scott, isn't he the one who can figure out what that...
	Now all of a sudden, instead of persuasion, it's just, well, I can't figure him out.
	Must be black magic, because the persuasion's working on me.
	I was fascinated by this, too.
	Once, apparently, the spells are so fantastical...
	That it went right into Scott's over him, and he didn't even come around with the analysis of why this is happening.
	He just gave into it.
	Very odd.
	And I'm concerned for Scott.
	Can you imagine driving around in that?
	Okay, I'm not even going to think about it.
	That's fine.
	That is the dumbest thing.
	You will never ship.
	This is my prediction.
	What's interesting is that I was thinking about the American automobile or our automobile culture is diminishing rapidly.
	And...
	You know how we used to talk about freedom and all this, you know, something great that you had?
	I think it was kind of about your car, or, you know, you're 15, 14, like, I can't wait to get my license, you know, it's going to be a car, and then you get a great car, and that has kind of changed into the smartphone.
	That is now what people, you know, see as, oh, I can't wait until I get my smartphone, I can be on Facebook, I'm old enough, and I have freedom now, freedom to look at all this stuff whenever I want.
	And maybe this is some kind of hybrid that it's still zapping into Scott's brain as a boomer regarding vehicles, but it has that, even the name, cyber.
	I think he tapped it, he got double-tapped.
	He got tapped by the hot technology phone thing and his old boomerish car desires.
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	I was just taken aback by this.
	I didn't...
	You just, like, pass it off as, well, that's the way it is.
	He didn't have any real thoughts on it.
	He was encapsulated by whatever this is that goes on.
	I don't know.
	It doesn't seem to affect me.
	At least he does.
	At least the Musk stuff does.
	I have no desire to get any of these really high-performance but somewhat fit and trim kind of poorly manufactured vehicles.
	Well, I think Scott may need an intervention.
	Well, we'll see in the years ahead.
	So the cops were on our street this morning.
	Ooh.
	And they stopped a crime scene unit.
	And as Tina was leaving for the gym, they stopped her.
	CSI. CSU, actually.
	The car said CSU. I was looking out the window, spying.
	With binoculars to make it look really perfect.
	So it could be really obvious.
	No, no.
	And they stopped her and said, excuse me, yesterday there were some youths walking around here apparently checking doorknobs.
	Now, I was home all day.
	Tina was home all day.
	There was no one checking no doorknobs.
	But actually, she said she did see them.
	They had a piece of paper in their hand.
	So she thought maybe they were looking for something.
	But no, so one of the neighbors called because apparently these kids were touching doorknobs.
	And what did the cops want to know?
	Of course.
	They want to know if you have any video.
	Exactly right.
	Do you have a ring?
	Can we access the video?
	We want to see them.
	How about that?
	Maybe they were on a scavenger hunt.
	And, you know, if we had one, I would have said no.
	I think Tina would have disagreed because she kind of felt...
	You would have said no to some kids on a scavenger hunt?
	I would have said no to the cops asking for ring video.
	Oh, yeah.
	I said no.
	No, you can't have that.
	Go away.
	Nothing happened.
	Look at the crime scene unit.
	But you know, of course they were black, so I'm sure that the white neighborhood got all riled up by it.
	But yeah, they were probably on a damn scavenger hunt.
	Who knows?
	But they were out there for an hour before the show started, waiting for other neighbors to come out and ask them for ring video.
	That's what cops do now.
	I mean, there's nothing left to do in Austin.
	Unless something happened.
	But they said, no, there were just some kids checking doorknobs.
	And we're looking for ring video.
	Yeah, but that was yesterday.
	And I'm sure there's something going on in the city.
	And they're here for an hour.
	I'm sure there's a lot more going on than these punks coming around.
	They're here for an hour looking for ring video.
	I think there's better ways you can do that.
	I promised I would come back to the email.
	What was it about?
	It was about something in one of the donations.
	You were going to help me remember.
	I don't remember saying I was going to help you remember.
	Okay, it's about the email being received or not.
	Oh, you were going to bitch about the email.
	Oh, I'm not going to bitch about it.
	I just want to help.
	Well, you should.
	I want to help people understand.
	And we also, by the way, we have an insider at MailChimp.
	Thank you very much for your courage, Anonymous.
	He explained exactly how MailChimp works.
	But I'll relate that to some very good initiatives people are talking about on NoAgendaSocial.com.
	Can't say that enough.
	It's a great place to hang out with the Gitmo Nation.
	NoagendaSocial.com You can get an invite at any of the show notes.
	NoagendaShow.com The thinking is, hey, since there's a problem with the email, why don't we start an email server and then everyone can have an account on that email server and then it'll be guaranteed delivery.
	And I said, this is one of the worst ideas you can have.
	The idea is not to centralize on the internet.
	In fact, the opposite is better.
	Everyone should actually have their own email server that they can control because I've never missed out on an email because it comes into my server.
	But I want you to understand the issues.
	Besides the obvious that no one should even think they want to be responsible for anyone else's email server, this is a nightmare of epic proportion.
	You will be doing that full-time.
	You'll be administering all kinds of things that aren't working right for people.
	It's just no, no, no, no.
	And there is no protecting your so-called great solution from the perils that are email on the internet.
	I was reminded of why these problems occur from our insider producer at MailChimp.
	They don't pay any of the big companies for whitelisting fees, according to him.
	I won't even mention what department he's in, but he would know.
	They don't pay for that, but they have huge servers.
	They're very careful about what networks they're on.
	Because here's the issue.
	If I have a server at home, I've done this, you have an email server, if your ISP will even allow you to send on port 25 the SMTP protocol, if they'll even allow it, most don't, All you need is for one a-hole on your entire network segment to do something with spam.
	His IP address will get reported and the entire network block that goes along with that also gets reported.
	And this is apparently what happens to MailChimp from time to time.
	Because they have cloud infrastructure, they continue to switch IP addresses, and over time an IP address of a mail server builds up trust, believe it or not.
	It's Bayesian, but there's also Google and Yahoo and all these guys have big algorithms that learn how to trust an IP address that's sending email.
	And again, you get one guy in the same data center who sends out a whole bunch of crap on spam, your IP address gets demoted or blocked.
	And so MailChimp is constantly switching away from these networks that are reported and blocked, and that's why it's intermittent.
	Yeah, I believe this is probably the problem.
	And to add to that, when you send the email, it's not like your email just goes out, our newsletter is in one batch.
	No, it's lumped in with tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of other emails going out, and it gets into the queue immediately.
	And so you're sending along with other people.
	Someone else's email could have something shitty in there that Google Gmail doesn't like.
	And then ours comes right after that.
	Gmail has already taken measures to block it.
	So it's been ruined.
	It's a nightmare.
	It truly is.
	And there's very little you can do about it when it comes to mass emailing.
	Other than, I would recommend people learn how to set up their own email server.
	It can be a very cost-effective...
	Let me just say one thing.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I'm stopping you for the following reasons.
	First of all, you go on and on about what a nightmare it is to set up an email server.
	And now you're telling me you're recommending it.
	No.
	Make up your mind.
	No.
	First of all, stop bitching at me.
	I'm in no mood for your shit.
	Because you're just doing it to be a dick.
	No.
	No, because you contradicted yourself.
	No, I'm saying you don't want to host an email server for a whole bunch of people.
	You want to decentralize.
	I said that specifically.
	Decentralize.
	And then you personally have to take great care for the trust of your own network.
	You can't have someone else do that.
	You have to do it.
	You have to.
	What?
	What?
	Most people don't have the time to do what you just described.
	Well, then most people are just going to have to live with shit email.
	That's what they're doing as we speak.
	And I disagree.
	I think that it's relatively simple to set something up with...
	You know what?
	I've been preaching, do your own email for as long as the show's been on the air, and mine's fine.
	I'm going to say something positive here, so you don't grouse.
	And it's...
	The way that I downloaded that Ultimate Mint 19, which is an all-encompassing Linux distro with everything you need to really, if you had a little company and you wanted to put everybody on, you wouldn't have to buy any Microsoft licenses.
	You could install this on all the machines in your office.
	And it would be fine for 90% of everything, unless people have to use Photoshop, let's say.
	Why isn't there a downloadable Linux distro with exactly all the elements that you're talking about, an email server, simple to maintain server that you just download and run and boom, you're done.
	Why do you say that there isn't?
	I'm just asking if there is then.
	Totally.
	Absolutely.
	So that's what you're using?
	Well, I've hosted mine at home.
	Currently, it's been in the cloud and on a network segment that I pay extra for, so that IP address is trusted.
	And I pay almost nothing for it.
	It's the free tier because there's not a lot of data really that comes in and goes out.
	And it's been running just almost completely unattended for eight years.
	But that was a setup with something called iRedMail, which was not the same as a distro you download and set up.
	My point is...
	You say people don't have time.
	Well, okay.
	Then shut up about not getting the newsletter.
	I'm the one complaining about them not getting the newsletter.
	No, people complain about not receiving the newsletter all the time.
	But they're on Gmail.
	So you get what you pay for.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Gmail is not a great solution to anything.
	Nor is Yahoo Mail or AOL Mail.
	ProtonMail seems to be working pretty well for people.
	So far.
	Yeah, and again, you just don't want to have a big centralized system.
	That is not the way the internet was designed.
	It's supposed to be distributed.
	Anyway, it's moot.
	No, it's not.
	It hurts the show.
	Yeah, but what will hurt the show more is if people set up a group email with thousands of producers.
	Oh, that's right.
	Back to the point.
	That's going to suck.
	Back to the point.
	Wasn't there something else he said, though, that was kind of interesting?
	He had a lot of things to say besides that.
	Well, that was the main thing, is that they bundle it all in, and their IP addresses, you know, they switch around, and then, you know, it could be that someone else is...
	It's not a good idea to use that system either.
	That's the bottom line.
	No, I agree.
	In fact, as a VPN user...
	Another...
	Oh, there was a problem with VPNs, too.
	There's always a problem with VPNs, but as a VPN user, it's funny to...
	Because you switch your, you know, you go on and off it because sometimes you just can't do anything with it running.
	And you go on one from somewhere.
	Let's do one out of Toronto, Canada.
	And you click and there's a certain number.
	And then you try to do anything on the internet, you're blocked.
	Right.
	Because somebody apparently used that specific number to spam the crap out of everybody.
	Exactly.
	Yes.
	And so everything's blocked, and then you remember the numbers.
	.
	and it comes up with some other number, everything's fine.
	But then sometime in the future, when you disconnect and reconnect, you back to this 114, and it's the same thing.
	Right.
	Which makes you wonder why the VPN guys just can't kill that IP, but they don't.
	They just leave it there.
	So to accentuate that.
	This is a mess.
	Yes.
	So to accentuate the point and the warning...
	This show has consistently warned that you are a fool if you try to build your business on these free platforms.
	And I'm looking specifically at you, YouTubers, because your life is ending.
	And if people don't know it yet, I'd like to play a couple of clips here, which were released by the YouTube Family Partnership Division because Google lost. which were released by the YouTube Family Partnership Division because Yes, Google lost...
	There was a lawsuit and they were penalized under the terms of COPPA, the Child Online Privacy Prevention Act, or COPPA. Because COPPA... Privacy protection, not prevention.
	Sorry, thank you.
	Privacy protection.
	Children under 13 is the U.S. rule.
	You may not track and store data on them.
	And guess what?
	Google does that all the time.
	But now the YouTube videos become a problem because there's...
	The artificial intelligence can't figure out what the intent is.
	Is this good for a kid?
	Is it not good for a kid?
	Should people under 13 be able to view it?
	So they have pushed this onto the creators.
	That's you, YouTubers, creators, under the heading Important Update for All Creators.
	Because they're pushing this on you and they're making it sound like it's your problem and you have to comply with COPPA. Which of course is bullshit because you didn't have to pay any of the fine, the $170 million.
	They didn't ask you for a check.
	No, they have to comply by knowing that they can't track...
	So instead of an age verification check, which they can't do, I mean, it's just not going to happen, then no one would watch YouTube anymore.
	They're going to say, well, creators are responsible for marking it as kid-friendly, which, by the way, means you can't make any money because we can't personalize ads.
	They can get a generic ad.
	It'll only be for stuff for a certain age group.
	I got the clips here.
	In fact, we'll get into it, and then I can explain more about the problem.
	Well, there is one simple, easy fix that is just beyond me why they just don't do that.
	What's that?
	Stop tracking people.
	Stop tracking people.
	Yes, but then how would they monetize?
	We can't monetize if we don't track people.
	Here's the important update.
	If you create content for YouTube, this video is very important to watch as it describes changes to the upload process, all of your existing videos, and potentially your monetization.
	Hi, I'm Lauren, and I'm the Head of Family Partnerships here at YouTube.
	I'm going to go through important new requirements for all videos that you should take action on as soon as possible.
	I'll provide some background on what's happening, walk you through a new audience setting in YouTube Studio and how to use it, and then answer some questions you might have about this update.
	I already want to kill myself listening to the background music.
	Back in September, we shared the steps we're taking to address a recent settlement with the U.S. Federal Trade Commission that will help creators comply with the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act, known as COPPA. I love how they make it all about you complying.
	You're not distributing.
	Google is distributing.
	This is the beauty of what they're doing.
	And other applicable laws.
	In order to help you comply with the law, we're now required to ask you to mark all of your videos as made for kids or not.
	You know your videos and audience best.
	So we've launched a new audience setting that lets you tell us if your videos are made for kids or not.
	In addition to this setting, we'll use machine learning.
	Uh-huh.
	If you don't set your audience, or if we detect error or abuse, we may set your audience for you.
	But in most cases, we'll rely on your audience setting to determine whether a video is made for kids.
	So this is really interesting.
	What is something that's made for kids?
	Or is it not friendly for kids?
	I think the No Agenda cartoon is perfect for kids.
	Well, we will be demonetized, deplatformed, and run out on a rail because there's all kinds of stuff that makes it not perfect for kids.
	The topics are not perfect for kids at all.
	We have adult entertainment.
	We have language.
	That would be marked different, the adult entertainment one.
	It's worse.
	Here's a little rundown of the definition of made-for-kids.
	What's considered made-for-kids content?
	I think we comply.
	Per the FTC's guidance under COPPA, when deciding whether or not your channel or video is made for kids, you should think about factors like the subject matter of your video.
	Uh, you want to run down the subject matter of our videos to give you a little idea if that's good or not?
	News Deconstruction.
	Yeah, no.
	Okay.
	Let's look at Animated No Agenda.
	And even just the titles, I have a feeling, are not going to comply with what they're looking for.
	We have Noodle Boy, Fartgate.
	Well, that's for kids.
	You're right there.
	Vocal Fry.
	We've got Begay's Poopin'.
	We've got the Club 33.
	She looks dateable.
	Yeah, that's really good.
	We can do that one, John.
	I'm sure no problem.
	Defining sexual harassment.
	Oh, listen to you two.
	Whether the video includes child actors or models.
	Whether the video includes characters, celebrities, or toys that appeal to children.
	Including animated characters or cartoon figures.
	There you go.
	Whether the language of the video is intended for children to understand.
	Whether the video includes activities that appeal to children, such as play acting, simple songs or games, or early education.
	Whether the video includes songs, stories, or poems that appeal to children.
	And any other information you may have to help determine your video's audience.
	Ultimately, we can't provide legal advice, so we're unable to confirm whether or not your content is made for kids.
	That decision is up to you taking into consideration these factors.
	But we want to help you follow the law as much as we can.
	Check out our help center and talk to a lawyer if you're still unsure whether or not your content should be marked as made for kids.
	It's your problem.
	You are responsible.
	Okay, let's ask a question since you've been on this.
	I'm the reporter.
	I'm asking you questions.
	You know what's going on.
	So my content's not for kids.
	Oh, that's very good.
	So you mark it not for kids, and you probably will not get any advertising.
	Well, wait a minute.
	If I market for kids, isn't it going to be lousy advertising just for kids?
	That's right.
	But if it's not...
	Well, then where's Ford Motor?
	They can't put a Ford ad for buying a F-150 pickup truck on a kid's video because their kids aren't going to buy a pickup truck.
	Do you see the conundrum?
	This is the problem.
	It's their conundrum, not mine.
	Yeah, but they're making it about you because what they really want is brand friendly.
	But you have to market for kids because they are not allowed to...
	Just listen to all the...
	This is the final clip.
	Here they'll explain what it means for you and for YouTube.
	But mainly what it means for you since you asked a question about your videos.
	And listen to all the things that the kids won't get which shows you what they are tracking.
	and I guarantee you, you market not for kids, you're reviewed manually.
	Your shit's gonna get taken down all the time.
	One little thing that could appeal to kids and it's gonna be a problem.
	If you say your content is made for kids, what does this mean for your channel?
	We will start limiting the data we collect on made for kids content to comply with the law.
	Because of this, videos that you mark as made for kids will be treated differently on YouTube.
	Some features like comments will no longer be available.
	Most importantly, those videos won't show personalized ads.
	So some creators may see a decrease in revenue.
	Uh-huh.
	I'll see you next time.
	If your entire channel is set as made for kids, your videos won't have any of those features.
	Your channel also won't have stories, the community tab, the notification bell, and your viewers won't be able to save to watch later or save to playlist.
	Keep in mind that these restrictions are to follow the law.
	Isn't that cool, all those things that they're tracking that they now have to turn off to follow the law?
	Of course, they make it sound like it's your problem, but that's all the things they take into consideration to see who the hell you are and what you're interested in.
	If you don't set your content appropriately, this may result in compliance issues for you under COPPA and other laws.
	Now you're not compliant under COPPA. I find this fantastic what they're doing.
	I also find it part of my overarching theme.
	About some of these companies, and YouTube would be one of them, where the bean counters have come in and they said, what do we got?
	This is costing us too much money.
	What can we do?
	What's our excuse for stopping the comments?
	How do we call the herd?
	Because the comments are a part of the olive theory.
	Yes.
	You know, there's comments that at some point cost bandwidth.
	I mean, there's thousands and millions of them.
	Millions and millions.
	Explain the olive theory again, because I think it's worth doing.
	The olive theory was...
	Given out by the story that goes around about the Kramer Crawford.
	I can't remember his name.
	We said the same thing last time.
	It was the CEO of American Airlines who used to fly in first class on his own planes instead of a private jet.
	And the guy's talking to him, and he's bitching about the food.
	And the CEO says, well, you know these olives?
	He says...
	It turns out that we take one olive off of one meal on every flight.
	It saves us $25 million because of this one olive.
	That's fantastic.
	And so it's like that's why we do these things.
	Yeah.
	What most people don't understand, because we run little companies, or we're employees, or we're not looking at the multi-million, multi-billion dollar companies, where one little thing, according to the bean counters, going over the spreadsheets, They look at one thing and say, holy crap, we could be making another $10 million a year if we could find some excuse to get rid of the comments because it's chewing up bandwidth.
	Well, also that $170 million fine, that'll get your attention.
	I mean, it's not big for Google by any means, but it gets your attention.
	Yeah, the bean counters don't like it, and they're looking for cost-cutting all the time.
	And this just looks like an excuse to cut costs.
	I mean, this is like, again, the MailChimp didn't confirm this.
	The MailChimp guy didn't confirm this, but I still think there was a, you know, occasionally they, you know, throw it.
	It's like the mailman doesn't want to deliver the mail.
	You find a bunch of mail every once in a while.
	This happens all over the country.
	You find a bunch of mail in the garbage.
	Well, the point being that we sometimes are somewhat from the future.
	We see things coming down the pike.
	We've promised you that you cannot monetize the network.
	And that is exactly the problem that YouTube is running into.
	You cannot do it.
	It eventually ends.
	It just eventually ends because you run into all these problems.
	As far as I know, and I was there at the creation of podcasting.
	They called me the Podfather until everyone else started taking the name.
	You can't monetize the network.
	There's only one way to go.
	We've tried everything.
	John, you've been there through an entire podcast network.
	The only way that seems to work is value for value.
	I'm going to show myself old by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda.
	In the morning.
	Now we do have a few people to thank for show 1194, the Thanksgiving Day special.
	And it's special because we're the only ones working on Thanksgiving.
	Very special.
	Special for us.
	Special.
	Sir Patrick Knight of the So-Called Hills.
	That's funny.
	Now, wait a minute.
	It's Knight of the Southern California Hills, but it says So-Called.
	So-Called.
	And so I'm thinking of the So-Called Hills.
	I like it.
	I think I'm using that.
	$150.
	Thank you, Sir Patrick.
	Sir Austin Barron of Puget Sound, 133.33.
	Happy Thanksgiving, he says.
	Christopher Retker.
	In Matitsi, as in Matitsi, Matitsi Fly, New York, $119.40.
	Only time I've ever seen that town name ever.
	Sir Marcus of the Hinterland, $111.
	Julian Erikson, $110 from East Boston, Massachusetts.
	Sir Lucas of the Lost Bits, $101.01.
	Anonymous, $100.01.
	It's interesting.
	Look, look, another...
	Oh, no, I thought the karma with a C. Nope.
	But this anonymous...
	Doctor, I guess.
	Anonymous MD. Cancer karma for my three-year-old, please.
	No, shoot.
	Let's stop right now.
	You've got...
	Karma.
	Yeah, we break for that shit.
	And we throw in a goat.
	And we throw in a goat.
	You bet.
	Sir Steve, $100.
	Jason Gay, $100.
	Sir Scott Morgan out of Austin, Texas, $100.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	This is the donations that came in from the 512 local meetup.
	And Sir Scott wanted to make sure that everyone heard that, that he didn't just take the money and run.
	Yeah.
	He's always very worried about stuff.
	And also to please go to noagendameetups.com and get in touch with Scott.
	He set up an email server because they're doing, I think, December 6th, I believe, which of course sucks because I can't be there.
	I'll be in the Netherlands.
	They're doing the 5-1-12 local shoot night or something.
	They're going to the rain.
	Oh, shooting!
	Yeah, oh, shooting!
	So thank you very much to the Local 512 donations, and thank you, Sir Scott.
	That came in as one of those bank checks, isn't it?
	Yes, that's why.
	Yeah, because he collected the cash and he sent it off as a check.
	Sir Chris Gray of the Isle of Wight, 8888.
	I knew we had anybody there.
	We should all be thankful for no agenda, he says.
	I used to fly there all the time when I lived in Guilford.
	What's it like?
	Well, first of all, the airstrip on the Isle of Wight is fantastic.
	It's on a cliff.
	So either landing or taking off, depending on the wind direction, you're coming over this cliff.
	It's spectacular, and it's kind of a sloping...
	Landing strips, runway, so it has its challenges.
	But everyone lands there to go to this crab restaurant, which is up on the cliff.
	It's very small.
	I mean, it's not a big island at all.
	It's picturesque.
	So people just go there to eat crab?
	Yeah.
	Well, in America, people go fly their airplanes to get a hamburger somewhere else.
	And in England, you fly the most expensive hamburger.
	The $100 hamburger.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	I just rely on the Hamburglar.
	Simon Libuzuski.
	Libuzuski.
	What do you think?
	Yeah, Libuzuski.
	8008.
	Also, Sir Cross Stitch 8008.
	And Sir Brian Kaufman from Scottsdale 7575.
	I've never had Sir Green of hams.
	I think he gave up on us.
	Maybe.
	Sir Pilgrim, 7474, from Fredericksburg, Virginia.
	And this is...
	Yes, once again on Thanksgiving Day, just as in 2014, Pilgrim is being recognized as a valued producer of the best podcast in the universe.
	It's been a couple of years since I was knighted, Sir Pilgrim, but through determination and monthly subscriptions, I have finally reached the title of Baronet, accounting below.
	I would like to have my title changed to Sir Pilgrim, Baronet of...
	How do you pronounce that?
	Baronet of Masaponex?
	I think so.
	Massaponics.
	I think it's Massaponics.
	Massaponics.
	Massaponics.
	It's been a while since I have brewed an artisan small batch of handcrafted beer for the peerage and surveying the roundtable.
	The ingredients are a little sparse and stale.
	Please refresh the stock of malted barley and hops at the roundtable.
	And I'll work on some beer.
	You bet it.
	You bet.
	We'll make sure the malted barley and hops are at the round table.
	Thank you.
	You will be upgraded momentarily.
	Okay, good.
	Onward with Jeremy Biglin, 6969.
	He knew it was time to donate when redeeming a gift.
	PIN number was 333.
	That will do it.
	Yes.
	Steve Sims and...
	Nairit, Mexico.
	Nairit, I don't know.
	Love the show, man.
	Amen.
	Love it.
	He says, me as being one of your few Mexico listeners from Nairit, Mexico, I had to get down here before Trump puts up the damn wall.
	He's got a birthday coming up.
	Yeah, I gotta listen here.
	Barron Mark Tanner, 6789.
	Comes in twice a month.
	Sir Herb Lamb, Earl of Georgia, 6006.
	Small boob.
	Peter Chong in Lakewood, Washington, 5555.
	James Moore in San Pablo, California.
	Right around the street from me here.
	Sir Milkman, 55.
	Need repairing already?
	Sibode Peth in Metairie, Louisiana, 55.10.
	Brian Murakad or Murakade or something like that in Tacoma, Washington, 55.10.
	Double nickels on the dime.
	Also for Alexei Volinsky, 55.10.
	He's in the United States.
	Sir Robert of Sous Vide, 55.10.
	He's going to be a birthday.
	He's got him on the list.
	Tara Rees in Urbana, Illinois, 5033, also the Beach View Farm with a birthday.
	And a douchebag call out, so it would be, please wish my beautiful wife happy birthday.
	Yes, we'll do that.
	And call out Ryan, R-Y-N-E, in Seattle as a douche.
	Douchebag!
	That was a douchebag.
	Douchebag.
	We might have to work on getting that one.
	That sounds pretty funny.
	Brad Horowitz, $50.05, and Sir Scott Nelson in Melbourne, Florida, $50.01.
	The following people are $50 donors, name and location, if I got it on here, including Joe Winkie in Santa Rosa, California, and Eric Dutro in Flint, Michigan, Paul Dubois in Ker-Honkson, New York.
	Mm-hmm.
	Amy Weaver, Ben Boney in Knoxville, Tennessee, and he needs a de-douching.
	You've been de-douched.
	Jennifer Wida.
	This is Dame Jennifer.
	I want to read this.
	Happy Thanksgiving.
	I am thankful.
	Yes.
	Dame Jennifer.
	I'm thankful for your dedication providing us with the best podcast in the universe and want to show my appreciation with the donation.
	My discretionary spending is limited, but it's important to chip in when able.
	So here you go.
	I'm in the process of relocating to the Atlanta area, and while the real estate karma worked, I need a bit of Pelosi jobs karma to speed up these interviews.
	Do it in a moment.
	I'd also like a mac and cheese, since my sister-in-law is making some for dinner tomorrow.
	I almost giggled in her face when I heard the menu.
	We'll do that momentarily, Jennifer.
	Vasanth, Vasanth, Vasanth, Dharmaraj, I'm hoping, in Allenton, New York, chipping in.
	Daniel Sens in Spring, Texas.
	Alois Leibel in parts unknown.
	Jeffrey Anderson.
	Darren Denechowicz.
	Denechowicz, yes.
	I'm thinking.
	He's in Dubai.
	Hey, Dubai.
	You can go there to Dubai, all kinds of things.
	Jeffrey Zellin in Oakland, Michigan.
	Robert Gardner, Sir Robert, I believe, in parts unknown on here.
	Baroness Susan Johnson in Hillsborough, Oregon.
	And that's it.
	For today's show, 1147, those are the people who helped produce the show and keep us going, and we want to thank each and every one of them for their support on this day that we're working.
	Profusely, in fact, and especially the notes.
	We can't read them all because the show will be four hours long, but we do read them personally, and thank you so much.
	A lot of beautiful things were said there.
	We appreciate your courage.
	We thank you for that.
	And everyone who came in under $50, which are on all of these great subscriptions, which do help out a lot.
	Consider taking one of those subscription offers in addition to your donation.
	So we thank you.
	And Jobs Karma for all!
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got...
	And remember, we'll be here again on Sunday.
	Winding out the month, getting towards the end of the year.
	It's November 28th and we say happy birthday to Steve Sims.
	He'll be celebrating on the 30th.
	Sir Robert of Sous Vide celebrates today, as does Beachview Farm's wife, who is smoking hot.
	Is she also named Miss Beachview Farm?
	Celebrating today, November 28th.
	Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe.
	In the upgrade lane today, Sir Hubert becomes Sir Hubert, Knight of the Wild East of the Middle Kingdom, Uncle of the Tiger.
	That was a restatement of his name, and appropriately so.
	Sir Madden Melbourne becomes Viscount of Victoria, and Sir Pilgrim becomes Baronet of Massaponaxe.
	We think.
	Congratulations on your title upgrades.
	That will be reflected everywhere you change it because that's how the No Agenda Show keeps track of everything.
	It's a pretty cool honor-based system.
	And thank you for your support of the No Agenda Show, best podcast in the universe.
	Before we do our meetups, I would like to do our one.
	We have a daming today, so that's a singular, which does deserve a special turkey blade.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Isn't that very nice?
	Mrs.
	Mike Clark, come on up here to the podium.
	You are now officially at the roundtable.
	This is where the Knights and the Dames feast on all kinds of goodies.
	Certainly you know what a lot of them are.
	And thank you for your support of the show and the amount of $1,000 or more.
	I am extremely proud to pronunciate you Dame Kitty, Dame of the No Agenda Roundtable.
	And for you we have...
	Hookers and Blow, Rent Boys and Chardonnay, or as you wanted, Kahlua and Cookies, maybe some malted barley and hops, how about some Parliament and Pale Ale, or maybe Harlots and Haldol, Vodka and Vanilla, Gachas and Sake, Rubenes, Woman and Rosé, Mutton and Mead, Ginger Ale and Gerbils, no, no, no.
	We'll just stick with breast milk and pablum for today.
	You can go to noagendanation.com slash rings.
	Eric DeShiel will take your finger size, a place where we can send everything off to, and please put that on noagendasocial.com, somewhere we can see it.
	We'd love to see people with their rings.
	Yes, it's like a party, and they're being held all over the globe, and people are getting tremendous benefit from this.
	A quick overview of what's coming up on Saturday, the Southeast London UK No.
	5.
	That'll be at 2 o'clock in the afternoon at the Real Ale Away.
	Also on Saturday, the local 805, Santa Ina Valley, California, 5 o'clock.
	This is Baron Sir D.H. Slammer and Baroness Dame Bang Bang.
	If you've never met these people, go to that meetup.
	You'll love it.
	Find all the information at noagendameetups.com.
	On Sunday, the old San Juan, Puerto Rico meetup.
	This is Jambo Joe.
	Joe Winkie, who will be hosting that.
	He must be in town for some kind of convention.
	We love the Jambo products.
	Oh, yeah.
	Great.
	And then on Monday, an interesting date.
	Interesting day of the week.
	Kitchener, Ontario in Canada, 8 o'clock.
	This will be the second Southern Ontario Slave Union.
	They're still working on their local name.
	And Sir Stroming, Knight of the Bog of Eternal Stench.
	That's Josh.
	We'll be organizing that.
	And, well, that's what we have for this coming weekend.
	Then I'll do the rest.
	We also have two reports.
	Briefly, there was a big meetup in Sydney, the Down Under meetup.
	Quick report here from Sir Chris Wilson.
	Sunday at the Gasoline Pony was a very successful meetup with 10 attendees, some from as far away as the Blue Mountains, Doral, and the Central Coast.
	Sir Andy Cantrell brought his goat along for extra karma.
	We drank plenty of Merrickville's finest ale from the local brewer, Willie the Boatman, and exchanged tales of being hit in the mouth, hitting others in the mouth, and how karma has been fortuitous for all of us in its own unique no agenda way.
	Illuminati called in for a chat and a photo with all of us on FaceTime.
	I like how this cross-border thing, where there's a meet-up and then people from a whole other country call in and say hi to everybody.
	Why does it kind of make sense to me that in some crazy Australian bar someone would come in with a goat and no one would think twice about it?
	Oh no, and it's totally cool.
	Hey!
	Or some guy said, that's not a goat, this is a goat, mate!
	Movie joke.
	After many hours, many more ales, plenty of free and open-minded exchanges of ideas, and recording the Gitmo Nation national anthem on my Blue Spark digital mix, I threw in my backpack and we said our goodbyes to those who took their life and family responsibilities seriously.
	And then they just went, oh, I should read this.
	The rest of us being Sir Ned, future Sir David, and Phil, and I shared a short taxi ride, F Uber, to my home, oh boy, for pizza and red wine, including a six-year-old Wyndham Estate Bin 888 Cabernet I'd bought a few years ago for Jean-Claude, but I figured it wasn't up to scratch when it was much younger.
	I must say it had improved remarkably with age.
	And then the Mossad handler, Sir Brian of London, called in from Israel.
	Sir Felix entertained us with the stories and no agenda banter, taking full advantage of our consumption of three bottles of wine over dinner and had us in tears of laughter.
	Sadly, Sunday rapidly came to a conclusion, and so was Sydney's train service, so we thanked each other for our courage, checked the timetable, and I pointed my fellow cult members in the general direction of the train station a few blocks away where they safely traveled and arrived home.
	Eventually, the next day I awoke with a hangover and a new episode of the best podcast in the universe on my phone and a smile on my face.
	And I will play the Gitmo Nation anthem as sung by our Sydney meetup at the end of the show.
	And then we have one other report.
	It's actually pretty good.
	From Sir Hendrick.
	He hosted the Utrecht report meetup in the Netherlands.
	Short report here for the Utrecht meetup or The Hague, as you said on Sunday.
	I'm sorry.
	That's my mistake.
	It went well at the second location, D-Base, where at the same time a rock concert was happening.
	A group was of 10 and made up of mostly meet-uppers from the past two times.
	Unfortunately, only one night ring was spotted.
	Dame Jacobina does not seem to get her ring size across or confirmed by the shill.
	I don't need to work on that.
	Send me an email.
	Other attendees included Ed van Dijk, Sir In-Deputy from Portugal, Peter Beukelman, Bas Lassonder, Chris Cadaver...
	Which is like Gus Cadaver, just the way it sounds.
	Sales guy Youp, he's been around forever.
	Sir Spork and another anonymous producer.
	I later heard Sir Spork enjoyed a vegetarian meal for which he used regular cutlery.
	Oh well.
	I brought the Zoom to catch a clip with all the names.
	Meanwhile, I'm fighting my smartphone and laptop to get pics transferred.
	Greetings from Trajectum, Sir Hendrick.
	I love you, Mr.
	Hendrick.
	This is Sir Hendrik, the first meet-up in Gitmo, Lowlands, Utrecht, with ten attendees.
	And I will ask them their name.
	What's your name?
	Bastiaan.
	Silskayup.
	OTG? Name of the Doomsday Deniers.
	I'm OTG. Serendipity.
	That's our group.
	They sound baked, man.
	Baked.
	I love that.
	I love it.
	I love it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you so much.
	Noagendameetups.com.
	Go find one near you.
	If there isn't one listed, make one!
	It's easy.
	Website helps.
	I have a couple of different things to play.
	Just before you know, because I know we're going to run out of time, I have three things I want to play before we go.
	Okay.
	Well, the first one is the romaine lettuce.
	I'm sure you want to play that.
	I have that, too.
	So that knocks me down to two.
	No, no.
	I don't have the romaine lettuce.
	Oh, I have the romaine lettuce.
	Let's play it.
	Let's play romaine lettuce.
	There's breaking news tonight from the CDC, a nationwide warning that could affect your dinner.
	An E. coli outbreak leaked to romaine lettuce has left dozens seriously ill in 16 states.
	Jamie, you go some what you need to do to protect your family.
	An urgent warning to consumers.
	If you don't know where your romaine lettuce is from, don't eat it.
	Public health officials are investigating an E. coli outbreak of food poisoning that has sickened 40 people.
	28 have been hospitalized so far, at least five with kidney failure.
	The outbreak started two months ago near Salinas, California, in an area that produces more than 60% of the nation's romaine lettuce.
	It was also the ground zero for a major outbreak last year that cost the industry $160 million.
	Probably over 200 pounds of lettuce we've thrown away.
	The CDC is telling customers to throw away any romaine lettuce with Salinas on the label.
	Lettuce that isn't labeled and ready-made salad mix that contains romaine.
	Restaurant owners are being told to take it off the menu.
	This happens like every year we get a romaine scare.
	Everybody in the family, when this story cropped up, At different times said the same thing.
	It's always the romaine.
	I've heard it...
	Why is it always romaine?
	It's not like the worst lettuce, for example.
	I would think green leaf lettuce is more likely to be contaminated than romaine because it's really a different...
	It's a lettuce that has all kinds of nooks and crannies that can catch whatever is causing this problem.
	But why is it always romaine?
	There is something fishy about this story.
	I think this is the third or fourth time we've had a romaine lettuce problem.
	Well, let me see.
	Is there some kind of...
	The Romaine Lettuce Farmers Association.
	Apparently Salinas is responsible for 60% of the United States' romaine consumption.
	Is it maybe a big grower trying to put the little growers out of business?
	Maybe this is some sort of a scam where you've poisoned the crop?
	Here's the clip from last year.
	Closer to home, health officials have expanded their warning about romaine lettuce.
	They say if you don't know where it's from, throw it away.
	Carter Evans has more on this.
	The growing outbreak appears to be caused by a particularly severe strain of E. coli.
	More than half of those infected have had to be hospitalized.
	CBS chief medical correspondent Dr.
	John LaPook.
	E. coli infection of this type can be very serious and you can have diarrhea, which is often bloody, abdominal pain.
	The latest reported victims.
	So far, at least 60 people have been sickened in 16 states.
	Hey, it's almost the same.
	How many states was it in the new report?
	They said the same thing.
	This is very weird.
	There's breaking news tonight from the CDC. Protect your family.
	Urgent warning to consumers.
	If you don't know where your romaine lettuce is from, don't eat it.
	Public health officials are investigating an E. coli outbreak of food poisoning that has sickened 40 people.
	28 have been hospitalized so far, at least 5 with kidney failure.
	The outbreak started two months ago near Salinas, California, in an area that produces more than 60% of the nation's romaine lettuce.
	It was also the ground zero for a major outbreak last year that cost the industry $160 million.
	So it is the same thing.
	Back to the old report.
	So far, at least 60 people have been sick.
	What?
	It's almost the same amount of people.
	In 16 states.
	The fluid loss alone can lead to dehydration.
	Okay, so that place needs to be shut down.
	I mean, how can that be?
	How do we know this is not an extortion racket?
	It's got to be something.
	I mean, it's almost the same report.
	15 states versus 16 states.
	40 people versus 60 people.
	The same place.
	You can't have this happen two years in a row.
	All they needed in that report was to throw a 33 and it would have been complete.
	I smell a rat.
	There's something amiss.
	There's no doubt about it.
	It's not being reported as such.
	Nobody has reported.
	This is the interesting part because we heard this report from different sources.
	Nobody has reported that the details of the two compared.
	The last year's and this year's.
	They're just reporting this year's mostly.
	It's almost identical.
	They mentioned there was a report last year, but there was more than one last year.
	The Food and Drug Administration needs to get on this place because California, once again, is poisoning the rest of the country.
	You guys are shitty over there, man.
	I don't like what you're doing to us.
	This is very disturbing.
	We'll stay in California.
	As you know, I've been tracking the microgrids as the way to solve all problems, not just the problem of Pacific Gas and Electric lighting fires because they can't seem to keep their wires from doing so, but also it's a great way for ultimate control, Where we can say, I'm sorry, we've got to turn off your refrigerator because we've got to conserve a little bit.
	Well, the microgrids are rolling out and they're very successful.
	People are extremely excited about them.
	Of course, this is only a test, so the microgrid is not quite ready for prime time yet.
	And to find out more about these so-called microgrids, we turn next to the KCBS RingCentral Newsline and check in with San Francisco Chronicle Energy and business reporter J.D. Morris, who is writing about this in the paper today.
	J.D., this is pretty fascinating all the way around.
	To what degree did this seem to work during these PSPSs?
	It seemed to work pretty well.
	I mean, they have been talking about doing this for a while, particularly in Angwin and Napa County, and they were able to keep...
	The parts of that energized that they wanted to have stay on as well as a couple other spots throughout the month of October when they turned off power.
	However, this isn't like a traditional microgrid in the way that people normally mean when they refer to that.
	These are temporary diesel-fueled situations, which is not normally what people are talking about when they refer to microgrids.
	I love how his voice goes up because he's so annoyed by the fact that he has to...
	This guy's in on it.
	He's all in on the microgrids.
	He's so annoyed that he has to report that they're dirty, nasty diesel generators that...
	That provided this power.
	That his voice goes, well, these are really not the traditional ones.
	It's really not the real microgrids.
	Very diesel-fueled situations, which is not normally what people are talking about when they refer to microgrids.
	But this was able to keep power on for some areas.
	And I will note there was also a delay because of the temporary nature of this.
	It actually takes a fair amount of time for them to switch from the normal grid to this temporary solution and then to turn power back to the normal grid afterwards.
	So it's not a perfectly seamless thing.
	But – Because all these guys are out with those diesel generators pulling on a rope to get the thing to start.
	But he does give us a glimpse into the future of microgrids in California.
	Now, contrast that to a place like the Blue Lake Rancheria up in Humboldt County, which has its own permanent solar-powered microgrid set up with them.
	They told me that...
	Wait, write down the name of this place, because we've got to track that.
	Solar-powered microgrid.
	Wait, what was this?
	What was it?
	Yeah, up in Humboldt.
	Pumbo County, which has its own permanent solar-powered microgrid set up.
	With them, they told me that it's a totally seamless thing.
	They don't even know when the rest of the grid goes out.
	That's just a more expensive solution.
	We're just about out of time, but I did want to ask you, you write that PG&E is hoping to set up about 40 of these microgrids in coming years.
	They are, and we don't know where those are going to be, but maybe it's possible that a lot of the places that have been turned off repeatedly might see some benefits from that in the future.
	All right, there you go.
	Much more expensive solution.
	He's been told it goes really fast.
	He's a reporter, doesn't have any information, but there's going to be about 40 of them.
	Microgrids in your future.
	Micro-scam.
	Yeah, the Brooks ISO, I want to run by it before the show ends.
	Oh, thank you.
	It came from a longer clip, but we're not going to play that clip.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	Yeah, I agree with that at the end of the show.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, I knew it wasn't that exciting.
	Well, it's okay.
	I have someone...
	What did I get here?
	I have a...
	This is also not great, but it's...
	That could have been an MTV VJ. What's that?
	I think that's a lot better.
	Okay.
	I have a Julian Assange update, so it's going to be old news if we don't play it pretty soon.
	Earlier this week, Swedish prosecutors have for the third time dropped an investigation into sexual assault allegations that Assange has long denied.
	The move comes as Julian Assange's legal team is fighting his possible extradition to the United States, where he faces up to 175 years in prison on hacking charges and 17 counts of violating the rarely invoked World War I-era Espionage Act.
	For his role in exposing U.S. war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, a full extradition hearing will take place in February.
	Julian Assange has been locked up at London's Belmarsh prison since April when he was dragged out of the Ecuadorian embassy by London police.
	He had taken refuge inside the Ecuadorian embassy for over seven years to avoid extradition.
	Yeah, you're right.
	I'm worried about him, too.
	It could be way too late.
	This guy's going to die.
	Every report I see kind of says that this is it.
	He's done.
	Well, that's one way of taking care of the problem.
	Although WikiLeaks is still going fine without him.
	It's just that they're setting an example.
	This is odd.
	The Sydney in the morning Gitmo Nation unsupported file format.
	What is this?
	Oh, the song?
	Yeah.
	I'd probably send it as Og Vorbis.
	No, actually, I can handle Og.
	Yeah, that's what everyone says.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, I wasn't quite ready, but that was definitely my cue to play the outro music.
	Alright, what I will tell you is we've got some Sir Chris Wilson, Hugh Allison, Jesse Coy Nelson, and the False Flags with Rob Dew, Sir Ducifer, coming up.
	And I'll have to play the Gitmo anthem on Sunday.
	Everyone coming over to your place today?
	No, JC is going to host it.
	Oh, that's right.
	We're going to Ellen.
	She's cooking.
	She's hosting.
	You don't have to clean up the horrible mess that Thanksgiving meal usually results in.
	That rocks, right, Boomer?
	Okay, Boomer.
	Okay, Boomer.
	Let the Millennials take care of it.
	And we look forward to seeing you Sunday.
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	Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving.
	However...
	Oh, really?
	The kids these days, no.
	They look at a piece of crap truck...
	That fails a demo.
	Fails a demo.
	And they're all chitty.
	And they love it.
	You put down your $100 on a credit card and then you're in line to buy it.
	So buying one is a little...
	Never ship.
	It'll never ship.
	Probably never ship.
	The fact that this guy can do a demo, it fails horribly twice.
	And everyone's like, no, that's okay.
	It's Elon stuff.
	This is the magic of Steve Jobs.
	Well, no.
	I'm telling you, nobody wants to believe me when I say this, but they sold themselves out to evil forces.
	It creates this magic around them.
	There's nothing you can do about it.
	You mean like black magic?
	Yeah, exact magic.
	That's why, in some cases, they have to wear the black turtleneck.
	They always wear the black turtleneck.
	Yeah, it's part of the black turtleneck.
	He yells above the rules.
	They're the same to Elizabeth Holmes.
	They're going to make you fabulous and wealthy, but you've got to wear the turtleneck, otherwise it doesn't work.
	I've got a black magic Elon.
	Got a cyber truck I must see.
	I've got a black magic Elon.
	He's trying to get a hundo out of me.
	That's why you should just hook onto the boomers.
	Boomer equals winner.
	World-class loser.
	What are you, man?
	You loser.
	I'm a loser.
	Lusier.
	I love lusier.
	It's the funniest thing you've ever seen.
	Can you imagine if you're watching lugeing and there's a guy you know?
	I think luge is fun, but skull is more fun.
	Boomer equals winner.
	Hardened year after year.
	Two turkeys with a deadly secret.
	I am honored to follow in the footsteps of President Lincoln and President Truman who began this tradition of keeping at least one turkey off the Thanksgiving table.
	With this presidential pardon, our friend here will retire to the petting zoo in Fairfax County, Virginia to live out the remainder of his years surrounded by friends, not peas and sweet potatoes.
	What happened?
	I never saw this news.
	I was watching the football.
	I now have the duty of ending the suspense of our feathery guest.
	To this turkey and his traveling companion, this will not be their last Thanksgiving.
	They will live out their days in comfort by virtue of an unconditional presidential pardon.
	They are safe from harm.
	Two shooters just shooting people on the highway.
	This year's turkey.
	His name is Courage.
	He traveled here from Goldsboro, North Carolina.
	He gets out, shoots the cop right away.
	And then he stole a mail truck.
	President Kennedy was even given a turkey with a sign around its neck that said, Good eating, Mr.
	President.
	But he showed mercy.
	And 20 years ago, this Thanksgiving, the first President Bush issued the first official presidential party for a turkey.
	Get off the air.
	Yeah, people started running.
	Panic everywhere.
	A lucky turkey gets a presidential pardon.
	That turkey is so lucky.
	I've never seen such a beautiful turkey.
	Today's lucky bird and guest of honor is named Pease along with his alternate name, Carrots.
	Two different shooters, two different cities.
	So we may never know exactly what was going on.
	I got ants.
	Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
	beep.
	It's now Jeffrey M.T. didn't kill himself And I don't care what Bill Barr says Because Jeffrey M.T. didn't kill himself He had a big ol' plane, the Lolita Express.
	Padded floors and no secret service.
	But the Fesco who flew, that's why he didn't kill himself.
	Jibriam didn't kill himself Well Bob Mueller gonna sweetheart you And Jibriam didn't kill himself
	This is why it's a drama These things don't hang themselves.
	Christmas lights and drywall.
	These things don't hang themselves.
	And I know someone else.
	Who didn't hang himself!
	Jibriam didn't kill himself!
	Jibriam didn't kill himself!
	But that one point show!
	He had a master plan.
	For a master race.
	Eugenics are just late.
	At his New Mexico place.
	But we'll never know who.
	Because he didn't kill himself.
	Jeffrey M. didn't kill himself!
	He was a victim of the other side!
	Jeffrey Eugenics didn't kill himself!
	Jeffrey Eugenics didn't kill himself!

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