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Adam Curry.
John C. Dvorak.
And Sunday, October 8th, 2017, this is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 971.
Sunday, October 8th, 2017, this is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, episode 971.
This is no agenda.
Scrutinizing all flags.
So you don't have to!
And coming to you from the darkest corners of the internet, here in downtown Austin, Tejas, capital of the drone star state, In the Codeo, In the Morning, everybody!
I'm Adam Curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley, where the Blue Angels are flying everywhere, and here comes one now!
I'm John C. DuBois.
It's Crackpot and Buzzkill!
In the Morning!
It's Fleet Week?
Is it Fleet Week?
Yes.
It's Fleet Animal Week.
It's Fleet what?
Yes.
Yes.
Fleet Week is nice.
Fleet Week is fun in San Francisco.
Yeah, they got boats.
They got lots, tons of boats.
They spray water in the air and they got the Blue Angels shooting around left and right, up and down.
Kind of a, I would say a cliched show.
I'd like to see it improved.
Oh yeah, it is time for a little improvement of that, I'd say.
Yeah.
Yeah, they go up and they make a big trail of smoke and then they come down and they zoom by.
The best part of the show is the very beginning of the show, if you're actually over there where they're doing the, where the grandstands are, on Christy Field.
Go on, keep talking.
Because the Jets, I don't want to give it away, but I would just recommend people would go to the show.
They'll find out what happened.
And, if you get lucky, You might be able to meet someone just by saying, hey, sailor.
Where can you find pleasure?
Search the world of treasure.
Okay.
Just showing my 70s roots.
That didn't work.
I thought you were going to lead right into a Harvey Weinstein joke.
No, but we can do that after I tell you how correct you were once again.
Uh, what'd I do now?
Well, no sooner had I sung the praises of the AT&T Gigabit U-Verse, than the U-Verse portion broke.
The very evening.
Yeah.
Yeah, so, you know, listen to this.
So the way it works is you, everything's through the fiber, that's fine.
The fiber is great.
No, the universe is the TV.
The TV part, yeah.
So they have an IPTV box, the stuff that we dreamed about for decades.
And you were raving about how quick it was.
Quick and just dynamite.
And all of a sudden...
It starts freezing and then crashing and rebooting and it shows an X and a number 8 with a red X. An X with a number 8.
Yeah, exactly.
Maybe they're sending code.
Well, I went through the whole AT&T troubleshooting process and you had the guy in India talk me through it, you know.
Anyway, here's the problem with these little boxes.
It's the HP 1181, I think.
Or IHP, something like that.
I'll have to figure out what model number it is.
They overheat.
If you have it in an enclosed cabinet or on top of or underneath any other piece of equipment, then when it overheats, it shuts down its hard drive to protect the hard drive.
And so, you know, I had fans on it, but now it's damaged beyond repair, of course, so I have to wait until I get a new one.
No.
Yeah, but it's dumb.
Whoever heard of a TV?
And there's one other thing wrong with this set-top box.
No clock.
No clock blinking 12?
Yeah.
You really miss it when you're looking at the TV and there's no clock.
I didn't think I would, but yeah.
I've never had a set-top box.
I use satellites and they don't have clocks.
I don't care.
Well, that's distressing because you'd think they can make these things in this day and age.
Yeah, there's no fan in it apparently.
Well, the problem is to get a fan that doesn't annoy the users is expensive.
Those are the real super quiet fans and they do exist.
Really?
They're expensive?
I didn't know that.
The super quiet ones are.
The other ones you're talking about cost 25 cents, you know, that they would normally have to be buzzing along.
Well, but isn't that the whole point?
You can just put it into a cabinet, which you can't do unless you have an infrared extender.
That's a little ding in the happiness.
I would say in Texas and some of these southern states or Arizona, I don't see how these things work at all.
Well, we have this crazy thing called air conditioning and that actually seems to cool my house pretty well.
Yes, not everybody has air conditioning.
Not in Northern California.
No, you don't.
Yeah, and I think it's a Raspberry Pi that's in there.
Or some form of small computing device.
Otherwise, it's pretty interesting.
But it's so made by engineers.
You know, you can reset it to reload its software.
Here's the process.
You unplug it, you plug it in.
You see three dots, you unplug it, you plug it in.
Then you see a gear icon, you wait, which of course tells every person in the world, oh, I know, this is clearly a gear icon, I've got nothing to worry about.
Then two gear icons show up, and then a loading bar, and then it reboots.
And then it freezes after 10 minutes again.
But... It's just as odd.
You know, two steps forward, one step back.
Jeez, it sounds like a nightmare!
So I was trying to figure out... I really was... I could not figure out... Isn't there an alternative box you can buy?
I know with Comcast you can buy alternative boxes from Motorola.
I'll have to check.
But, you know, I'll have an update on Thursday.
I'm sure everything will be fine.
Now, let me just say...
That, uh, I, all of a sudden, it was, uh, I think it was Friday, and I'm messing around with the box, so I'm switching channels, and every single channel is celebrating the one-year anniversary of the Grab'em by the Pussy videotape from Access Hollywood.
I was like, what is going on?
This was on the mall in Washington, D.C.
They had a 12-hour loop, you know, a loop playing for 12 hours straight of the Access Hollywood tape, apparently organized by the...
Ultraviolet women's group, which you have to really read three times, because you think, yeah, ultraviolet women's group?
No, ultraviolet, and here's a quick little clip.
We want to remind the American people who the president really is and who he said he was on that tape.
A proud, self-professed sexual predator.
She wanted to get some furniture.
I was saying, well, that's a nice furniture.
But you got furniture.
I moved in here like a .
I couldn't get the .
We tend to see things in the news and react for a week or so and then kind of forget So I think it's important that people remember things like this and that they're bringing attention to it and trying to move people to action.
And I was just like, wow, this is so pathetic.
I mean, who even remembers this date?
Move people to action.
Who plans all of this stuff?
And then it hit me, of course.
Duh!
Okay.
We need to distract from the real sexual predator, Harvey Weinstein!
It's all about Trump's pussy gate.
It's not really, yeah, in the elitist media, maybe, you know, the New York Times is writing about it, but it's not really, it did not dominate the news cycle.
That was the one year anniversary.
Well, two instances where it actually kind of dominated.
There's only one.
Let's see.
Let's take considering what Harvey Weinstein's known for what he does.
And by the way, I was looking at his credits.
I don't see how he has time to sexually harass anybody.
No, no, no.
Here's the thing that I love the most.
Because I did exactly what you did.
And then we'll explain if you haven't heard about it.
Harvey Weinstein is a douche.
Everybody knew it.
Everyone was afraid to say it.
A Hollywood guy.
Hollywood douchebag.
And you know, who jerks off in plants in front of women.
I mean, this is really sick.
Really a sick, sick, sick dude.
His biggest on the roster of the Weinstein, if you look at the most things that are produced, it is... what is the runway?
Project Runway.
He's just like Trump!
Hiring hot models for his show.
He is the Democratic Trump in that regard and no one's making that connection.
He's a sleaze.
Yes.
Well, let's go.
Let's let me give you a guy.
Ask Adam a quiz.
All right.
We got three networks.
Yeah.
NBCA or four if you want to count Fox.
Yeah.
NBC, ABC, CBS and Fox.
Which of the three networks would do the most elaborate story, do you think, on Harvey Weinstein?
That would be not NBC.
Uh, you'd think... CBS.
Why would you think that?
Because I just can't.
Before you think that way, think of it from another perspective.
Which of the three networks has a studio that probably competes with Harvey Weinstein and in the long sense fired him?
Would that be ABC?
Disney.
Yeah, ABC.
Yes, exactly.
They bought the company back from Disney, didn't they?
So they took that opportunity to go and slam him.
Butt slam!
So let's listen to the ABC report on Harvey Weinstein.
All right, let me see.
Come on, Harvey.
The new headline tonight involving one of the most powerful figures in Hollywood.
Several allegations of sexual harassment against movie producer Harvey Weinstein.
From young assistants to a famous actress.
And tonight here, his response.
Here's ABC's Lindsay Davis now.
Explosive new allegations tonight from the New York Times about Harvey Weinstein, the studio exec known for producing blockbuster movies like Good Will Hunting, Pulp Fiction, and Silver Linings Playbook.
Because I am so much crazier than you.
Keep your voice down.
He's been lauded repeatedly by male and female Oscar winners alike.
Harvey Weinstein who believes in us and made this movie.
My friends at Miramax for making this film, especially Harvey.
Now Weinstein says he's planning to take a leave of absence to deal with the issue head-on.
The New York Times described several sexual harassment accusations, including from actress Ashley Judd, who told Variety back in 2015, I was sexually harassed by one of our industry's most famous admired slash reviled bosses.
She did not name him at the time, but Variety describes how he kept summoning her to his hotel room under the pretense of talking about roles in his movies and tried to get Judd to watch him take a shower.
According to the New York Times, Weinstein's reached settlements with at least eight women.
In response to the allegations, Weinstein said in a statement, I came of age in the 60s and 70s, when all the rules about behavior in workplaces were different.
I appreciate the way I've behaved with colleagues in the past has caused a lot of pain, and I sincerely apologize for it.
Attorney Lisa Bloom, daughter of feminist lawyer Gloria Allred, is advising Weinstein and released a statement calling him an old dinosaur learning new ways, but also says he denies many of the accusations as patently false.
Weinstein's lawyer tells ABC News they plan to sue the New York Times, saying the story is saturated with false and defamatory statements.
The New York Times says they are confident in their reporting.
David?
Yeah, and I have to say that the one thing that stands out is that there are totally a lot of creepy dudes around.
So, if you read what he did, it's very, very creepy.
But not even as creepy as his... Did you read his memo?
What he wrote?
This dick?
No.
Please, it's just a short note.
So here's a guy who's full of remorse, and he's going to work on his problem, and he has a long way to go.
Oh crap, that's good.
I came of age in the 60s and 70s when all the rules about behavior and workplaces were different.
That was the culture then.
That's bullcrap.
Thank you!
I've since learned it's not an excuse in the office or out of it to anyone.
Oh, well that's some good- What have you learned, Harvey?
I realized some time ago I needed to be a better person and my interactions with the people I work with have changed.
I appreciate the way I've behaved with colleagues in the past that's caused a lot of pain that I sincerely apologize for.
Though I'm trying to do better, I know I have a long way to go.
That is my commitment.
My journey now will be to learn about myself and conquer my demons.
Over the last year, I've asked Lisa Bloom, this is the woman who represents- You just quit, by the way.
Yeah, but you know why she was helping him?
She has a development deal for her book with him.
Yeah, nice.
Over the last year I've asked Lisa Bloom to tutor me and she's put together a team of people.
I've brought on therapists and I plan to take a leave of absence from my company and deal with this issue head-on.
I so respect all women and regret what happened.
I hope that my actions will speak louder than words and that one day we will all be able to earn their trust and sit down together with Lisa to learn more.
Jay-Z wrote in 4.44, "'I'm not the man I thought I was, and I better be that man for my children.' The same is true for me.
I want a second chance in the community, but I know I've got work to work to earn it.
I have goals that are now priorities.
Trust me, this isn't an overnight process." This is the guy who says, "'Trust me,' I love that.
I've been trying to do this for 10 years, and this is a wake-up call.
I cannot be more remorseful about the people I hurt, and I plan to do right by all of them.
And now, this is my favorite, the end of the last paragraph, I'm going to need a place to channel that anger, so I've decided that I'm going to give the NRA my full attention.
I hope Wayne LaPierre will enjoy his retirement party.
I'm going to do it at the same place I had my bar mitzvah.
I'm making a movie about our president.
Perhaps we can make it a joint retirement party.
One year ago, I began organizing a $5 million foundation to give scholarships to women directors at USC.
Well, this might seem coincidental.
It has been in the works for a year.
It will be named after my mom, and I won't disappoint her.
Dickhead!
Wow, that is... I didn't... You know, I knew some shit about him.
I didn't realize he turned into a complete douche at the end.
Yeah, it'd be like, oh... Politicized it!
Yes!
Politicized it!
Turned the tables, made it Trump's fault!
Yes!
Targeting Trump!
Yeah!
The NRA and the NRA!
Trump's fault!
Can you believe that?
Yeah, I can.
I can believe it.
That's... That's really... That's just... Oh, man.
Oh, don't vote for Donald, he will grab you by the pussy!
Play that at the end.
Of course, the thing that gets me is Ashley Judd is the number one complainer and she's like a douche herself.
I remember her singing at the mall during the Pussy March and all the rest of it and calling out all men as creeps.
Well, Harvey Weinstein is not helping.
That's for sure.
No, I wouldn't think so.
I did want to ask you something.
Pictures of him with Hillary, by the way.
Well, the picture with him and Hillary is the one where she has her flat hands or palms of her hands on his chest.
Yeah, it's really odd when you... That's very creepy.
And it's one of the few profile pictures where you can see how much work she does on her hair to give her some extra height.
Because you know what?
She's like 5'1 or something.
There must be four inches of hair piled on top of her head.
You have to take a look at that picture again.
Very interesting.
Just talking about, you know, creepy white men for a moment.
I have a little statistical question that I'd like you to explain to me.
Okay.
When it comes to, well, when we talk about white cops killing black Americans, Let's just say Black Lives Matter says specifically black, so let's just say black Americans.
And they say that a disproportionate percentage of white cops kill black men.
But if you look at the numbers, the numbers, you know, it's hundreds and hundreds more White men that are killed by white cops than black men that are killed by white cops.
But the argument is because, well, black is 12% of the entire population, it's disproportionate.
Right?
Yeah, right.
That's the argument.
I just want to understand, I've got the statistical argument.
That's kind of the argument, I think, but I don't have it in front of me, but let's see where you're going.
Well, where I'm going is, if you, this actually came from, the numbers came from Mother Jones.
If you look at the number, because now, you know, what is the meme?
Ah!
Crazy white men killing everybody.
White male terrorists.
White males shooting everybody.
Mass killings.
Mass killings.
All white men.
Sure, there's more white men by cumulative number, but if you look at the percentage of what each demographic represents in the American population, Blacks and Asians are almost double white men.
So which way are we going to do it?
Are we going to do it by cumulative numbers or are we going to do it by percentages represented in the entire population?
Whatever makes the white man look bad.
Okay.
Just want to make sure I'm on message.
Yeah, well, I'm glad you brought that up.
Megan Kelly had a little thing on wines.
She's her show is no good.
No, she's she she hasn't.
She never found her footing.
She has.
She's.
She was at the beginning of the show, and now she does this, the daily show she does that competes with its bumped.
Hoda and that other woman's Kelly or whatever her name is, shows up off a half hour.
And you start to realize when you compare these shows and, uh, like the Kathy Lee show, not Kathy Lee, but, uh, that other one, I can't remember.
Yeah, it's the show, you know, it's, oh, Kelly Ripa's show.
All these shows, they're all extremely lighthearted.
Yeah.
Except hers.
Except hers.
She's trying to do serious, hard-hitting news.
No one wants that.
She starts off with hard-hitting news and then kind of a depressing story.
She actually started off, this is the Weinstein story, she brought the Weinstein story into the fore.
That plugs your book in the process, by the way, very subtly.
But I don't think this is a kind of show anyone really wants to watch.
Let's listen to this.
To know today.
Legendary movie producer and Oscar winner Harvey Weinstein is in the news today.
Do you see this story?
Yes.
Did you know who he was?
Yeah, okay.
So he is the subject of a very detailed New York Times report today, alleging that he made inappropriate sexual advances on women for decades, including movie star Ashley Judd and employees who had worked for him, among others.
In a statement he issued yesterday, Weinstein said that he, quote, came of age in the 60s and 70s, when all the rules about behavior and workplaces were different.
He added, quote, I appreciate the way I've behaved with colleagues in the past has caused a lot of pain, and I sincerely apologize for it.
Though I'm trying to do better, I know I have a long way to go.
So he's issued an apology, but also a threat.
Weinstein's attorney says that he will sue the New York Times, and that the Times story is, quote, saturated with false and defamatory statements about his client, and that the New York Times ignored evidence presented to them, he says, in advance of its publication.
In the meantime, Weinstein has taken leave of absence now from his company.
NBC News has not been able to independently verify these allegations.
But as you know, this is one of several of these incidents that we have seen come up over the past year.
And it's sort of dominating the national discussion in a way it never has before this issue.
And to his credit, he's taking some responsibility for the allegations.
You know, it sounds like he's apologizing for his behavior to some extent.
Wow.
But also taking issues with the Times Report.
I want to get you guys to weigh in on it, because our staff was buzzing about this.
Alex, Alex has got somebody with a question.
Hi.
Good morning.
That, by the way, is always a clue right there.
When the host talks about how the staff is talking about these things, then it's death knell.
That's never good.
You never want the host talking about what's going on.
I don't think so.
Don't play the rest.
This woman asks a question, what do you do about this sort of thing?
And Kelly goes and plugs her book and says just say no.
It's just like, you know, this is not what people want in one of these shows.
And on the other hand, I'm thinking, you know, this woman is a news reporter.
That's what she was.
She's just one of those.
She's just a good looking one.
But she does what she did.
She's a she's an anchor.
She's, you know, a talk meat puppet.
She's all these things.
She is not one of these happy-go-lucky jokers that just makes nothing but fun and likes to rib people and have a grand old time, even though in one of their outlines they say, oh, she's got such a great sense of humor.
I've never seen her be funny, ever.
No.
Her sense of humor, it seems like a mean girl's sense of humor.
Yeah.
You know, the pretty girl that's got the sense of humor.
Well, where'd she get that haircut?
Kind of sense of humor.
Which is funny amongst a crowd of people like that, but... So I'd give it a six months, it's over.
Yeah, if that.
If that.
But yeah, what do you think?
I think Weinstein's story will go away pretty good, but... Yeah, it's already going away.
It's just an interesting little sidelight.
The guy's a massive Democrat.
Huge.
And I'm actually surprised they went after him so vehemently since he does support the party.
This was my original point is why all of a sudden on a Friday, on a Friday, is this the big breaking news other than that it was exactly the same day as You know the the the pussy gate anniversary, which was promoted certainly on Friday more than I didn't see ABC, but that's understandable because of the competition.
Just seemed like there was protection going on or distraction or whatever you want.
Yeah, a little bit of that.
Yeah, they kind of mentioned it here and there almost casually, but.
Me no likey.
Me no likey.
So that would be the end of that, and I think this guy's, you know, he does what he does.
Isn't this what we've always learned about Hollywood and the casting couch?
What's new?
Yeah, and not just that.
I mean, we never heard of the shower couch, where you have to watch the guy take a shower.
No, but how about the story in the kitchen of the restaurant?
Did you read that one?
No.
What happened in the kitchen of the restaurant?
Oh my god.
So there was a young new employee and apparently this happens to all of them and he said hey and he co-owned the restaurant.
I forget which restaurant it was.
Famous one.
Now let's come down take a look in the kitchen and then they're standing in the hallway and he kind of has her blocked so she can't leave that way.
And her friend had actually said I'm going to come down in 10 minutes if you're not backed by that.
And she's talking and he's like, hey, you wanna, you wanna hang out?
You know, he's hitting her up a little bit.
She says, well, I'm in a committed relationship.
He says, can't you just shut up and stand there?
Then he starts masturbating and then ejaculates into the plant in front of her.
God.
That's why I said that.
Hollywood.
Yeah.
I mean, that's creepy.
That's acting.
You're right there.
I can't wait for the award shows at the end of the year.
Bring out a plant.
Harvey, good to see you here.
Lifetime achievement.
Harvey Weinstein.
Can somebody bring out a potted plant?
That is very creepy.
Guy's a pervert.
That's all it is.
Harvey Weinstein.
There you go.
Exactly.
Did give me some, some, some chuckles.
The fact that he thought he could get away with all this forever is, uh, well, there's nobody stopping him.
Yeah, it's the same when the big Sony hack took place and, you know, the... conveniently, the movie about North Korea got the best promotion ever.
Yeah.
And they published emails of the top executives, you know, laughing about black actors, you know, making all kinds of racial jokes.
It's okay.
It's just Hollywood.
You know, it's acting.
It's just acting.
Whatever.
Yeah, they get away with a lot.
They do.
So... Yeah, go ahead.
I'm just going to say, in the meanwhile, people still adore everyone involved in the business, and they listen to the tweets about what a creep Trump is.
I wanted to say about the Vegas massacre.
Yeah, I have a bunch of leftover clips that I want to play.
They're all new, but they're kind of leftover.
Yeah, I just wanted to mention something.
There is so much focus on what happened, and I think there's actually some very interesting analysis being done.
I've seen people analyzing waveforms of weapons and comparing Just a lot of things.
And I want people to know that I look at all of that.
If you want, I even have a couple of clips that could fit a so-called false flag narrative.
By the way, Steve Pchenik, he hasn't called me in a couple of weeks.
He sends me an email yesterday with a link to an appearance he did on the Alex Jones show.
And he says it's a false flag and no one was killed.
So he's, you know, it's just like this.
And I'm investigating everything.
But that is really, at this point, that's what you're supposed to do. - No.
But here's what happens.
Whether this happened or not doesn't matter.
Legislation is coming into play.
This was a 9-11 type event, I already said that.
The bigger the event, the bigger the legislation.
And it happens when you're shocked and now people are running around trying to prove he did, he didn't, who did it, why, it doesn't matter.
We got the Patriot Act after 9-11.
We're under a consistent, renewed by every president, state of emergency.
My God, Austin has dumped Columbus Day for Indigenous Peoples Day.
Shit happens after these big events.
That was a trend.
It has nothing to do with this event.
I'm just throwing it in there.
I'm just going to say, I think this event is going to have less impact than people would like to imagine.
But I do think that's interesting that Boston would change, would do, follow suit.
Forget that part, forget that part.
Anyway.
Well, but let me just finish my thought.
Yeah, finish your thought.
And this is not, I have to say, this is not like some planned thing.
It's like, oh, they wanted to bring in more body scanners and blah blah.
That will happen.
We've been predicting this from, since they were at the airport.
It's another thing that happened after 9-11, a huge inconvenience of theater and a big money grab, but these things aren't set up in advance.
This is groupthink.
This is, you know, the hive mind.
This is, you know, people who, you know, oh, we have to do something.
They all think alike.
And I don't see any premeditation for this, but we will be, we're definitely going to see all kinds of new legislation, certainly when it comes to firearms, I've tried to order a bump stock.
They're sold out every- I talked to KJ?
Sir Chris?
They're sold out.
Yeah, you can't get one.
He said the day after the show- he has a number of- Bullseye, he has a number of gun stores.
He said sales are through the roof.
You know, on TV all you see is we gotta get rid of the guns, gotta get rid of the guns, we have to- gotta get rid of the guns, gotta get them.
But everyone's running to buy more guns.
Yeah, I know the gun sales always fly through the roof when these events happen, which is just peculiarly ironic and counterintuitive.
Somebody sent us, one of our producers sent us a couple of videos, or at least you can link to the other videos, that technique that's used by the bump stock can actually be done without the bump stock.
Yeah.
And the video, a YouTube video show, if you hold it, you can make the rifle kick You can position yourself on the trigger in a certain way so when the rifle kicks, it does bounce like kind of off your fat gut.
And it creates the same effect.
It just starts firing like crazy.
For someone like me with Tourette's, it's not that hard to do.
Done.
But those things are just kind of a gimmick.
I think people want to own one so they can talk about it.
Well, you know, the news media is jumping on this.
Everyone's jumping on the legislation.
Of course, we have little stories like this from Phoenix.
Jonathan Pring says he wasn't trying to put himself at the center of such a heated debate, but as a gun owner, he felt it was a small way he could do his part.
When Jonathan Pring posted these images on Facebook, showing the moment he went from current gun owner to former gun owner, he expected some response, but now knows exactly what it feels like to go viral.
I didn't wake up yesterday planning to be like the poster child, the local Phoenix poster child for the American gun debate, but that is what it seems to have become of me.
The pictures show Pring willingly handing over his firearms, and a pistol to a uniformed Phoenix police officer in the living room of his Phoenix home.
I don't have to hear the whole report, but yeah, it's interesting we have this Brit who's given up his guns and... Yeah, Brits.
Yeah, one of those.
Um, there was, uh, this was a Max Keiser show, I think.
John Oliver's come out against guns!
That's shocking!
Uh, I think it was a Max Keiser show.
He had, uh, A former CIA operative, Robert David Steele.
It's just a short clip, but just to give you an idea of, you know, what's going on on the interwebs as well, where Max lives.
I am the son of an oil man.
I lived overseas all of my life.
I was very fortunate in both having several graduate degrees and being a Marine Corps infantry officer, Marine Corps intelligence officer.
And then a clandestine intelligence case officer.
I've programmed imagery satellites.
I've helped steal signals code books.
I've done counterintelligence.
I'm basically intimately familiar with the way in which the US government does or does not do the craft of intelligence.
Most terrorists are false flag terrorists or are created by our own security services.
Now, I have no direct access in England, but I will tell you that here in the United States, every single terrorist incident we have had has been a false flag or has been an informant pushed on by the FBI.
In fact, we now have citizens taking out restraining orders against FBI informants that are trying to incite terrorism.
We've become a lunatic asylum.
Now, I'm going to lead you into your clips because I can see the titles.
But there are a lot of things that you kind of look for just on television.
Our brains always fill in the blanks, you know.
We haven't seen a number of things.
No FBI statements.
We haven't seen ambulances arriving at hospitals.
What we really haven't seen anywhere on television is direct family members.
Now, Vegas is transient and a lot of people probably, you know, did not live there.
But it is always... I just put together a quick little compilation of CNN.
What do they title this?
People Remembered Loved Ones from Vegas Massacre.
And none of them is a direct family member.
They're all friends.
You know it says friend or you know someone was of course his teacher so it's like you know school administrator and it's it's just noticeable.
The world is a little more cloudy today because he was our sunshine.
He went out protecting Heather that shows his true self in his last moments of life he was protecting other people like he would do every day.
To me, it's a tragic loss.
This is a really great guy that, unfortunately, a lot of people are never going to get to know.
And just every single one... Well, the first one you placed is our son, John.
Now, before you go on, I want to say, I've seen plenty of ambulance pictures.
I've seen plenty of evidence that this was the shooting.
Just so you know, John... And I've seen plenty of... You're watching different stuff than I'm watching.
I saw plenty of parents Hey, I'm not making a case.
I'm just presenting what is out there.
So you're getting a little heated for no reason.
No, no, because it's like you're watching... I don't know what you're watching because I... That wasn't CNN.
That was CNN.
I watch the news networks.
I watch the network news.
Do you have a... Did you bring a clip of a family member?
I didn't think to because I saw so much of it.
Okay, so I'm just saying I have not seen it.
Okay, well... But?
They're definitely giving you the wrong impression, I think.
Okay.
Doesn't matter.
Let me start with my premise.
I don't think this guy shot a gun, let alone killed all those people.
Well, that wasn't your premise on Thursday.
It changed.
Okay.
And I'll tell you why it changed.
Things change.
It changed because of the way this thing is unfolding.
They can't find anything on this guy, but they refuse to say that maybe he didn't do it at all.
They refuse to give us anything on this guy.
I just like one CCTV tape.
Come on, this is Vegas.
This is total bullcrap.
There's cops everywhere.
Okay, that's why I'm bringing this up.
There's no tapes of who went in and out of that room.
I'm very suspicious of the hero of the day.
The security guard?
The security guard who is yet to appear on camera.
Yep.
Well, there's another.
Is he not appearing on camera because someone's going to shoot him if he appears on camera and they can recognize him?
Yes.
Not who you think, but probably.
Yes.
Who do you think, I think?
Whoever he's helping withhold all information.
No, I think it's the Mexican cartel.
Ah, now you're talking.
Bring it on.
So let's play a couple of clips.
Now let's imagine here, let's try to, from a perspective of a storyteller, let's imagine a couple of story possibilities.
The guy is a gun runner.
There's no question about it.
Yeah, arms dealer, that's what I said.
Yes.
Gunrunner is different from arms dealer.
Gunrunner is different.
Gunrunner would be overseas running guns.
No, he's an arms dealer.
Arms dealer, yeah.
And the best market for that around here is the Mexican cartels.
Various Mexican gangs.
The Mexican Mafia, perhaps.
They're in Las Vegas.
M-I-M-S-13.
MS-13?
MS-13 is in Las Vegas.
They're all there.
You go up there to rob the guy.
You're going to do a meeting and you decide that you're going to rob him.
Or you bring in some psycho friend.
You and some psycho friend go in there to do a deal and the psycho friend says, Hey, look at the concert down there.
And he starts shooting at them through one of the windows.
And then maybe there's a couple other guys in there.
This would explain the second window being broken open.
Some guy can do that too.
The paddock guy gets freaked out and they just shoot him.
They empty their couple of magazines for nine minutes.
They don't shoot any longer than that.
Have a little fun.
Grab his cash, if he has any.
They rob him.
Maybe steal some weapons.
Maybe they don't.
There's something a little disturbing about, just to stop you, I like where you're going.
I keep looking at all the shells, the casings, the rounds on the floor.
And I don't see... I mean, I see what looks like a, you know, Colt .45 or a .38.
Yeah, and not spent.
You know, there's still the live rounds just laying around, but I do not see something that fits with any of the other weapons.
Maybe the single bolt action, but there's no... there should be tons of spent cartridges.
Why are there, you know, like, live ammo on the ground?
We don't know why, who took those pictures, or why they took them, and what they took pictures of.
I saw one shot where the dead guy, you see his legs, why don't we see his body?
Dead.
Yeah, and why is the, if you shoot yourself in the face, or in the mouth, which it looks like, how does the gun wind up over your head the other direction?
Well, that's what I think it was.
I think he was murdered.
I don't think this guy did it.
I think he's a patsy.
And meanwhile, you have this security guard who supposedly went up there because he was suspicious of a door being ajar.
Now we hear in this latest report, which you'll hear, I'll play these clips, that there was a door alarm that went off and that's why he went up there.
And then they apparently peppered him.
The first story was they shot a bullet through the door and it hit him in the thigh.
And then they apparently were Well, let's play the security guard clips and then we'll talk about them afterwards.
Five days after the worst mass shooting in American history, Las Vegas police acknowledging they still don't know what drove Steven Paddock to open fire on that helpless crowd.
I get it.
We all want answers.
We have looked at everything.
But tonight, we are learning that hero security guard Jesus Campos may have prevented further bloodshed.
Police say Paddock had been shooting when Campos arrived on the 32nd floor, responding to a door alarm.
We believe that he was shooting into the crowd, and then the security officer was shot during that event.
A door alarm?
Yeah, a door alarm.
There's no alarm on the front of the door in Vegas, is there?
Uh, they know when the door's open, I think.
I think maybe... But where's the security camera during all this?
It just makes zero sense.
It's with the NASA moon landing tapes.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Let's play Security Guard 2.
And Matt is back with us again tonight, and Matt, police are calling that security guard a true hero.
That's right.
Police are saying that as that guard neared Paddock's door, it diverted his attention from the crowd below to the hallway.
He began firing wildly into it, injuring that security guard.
Now, somehow that guard managed to get away and alert authorities.
He's being hailed as a hero tonight as the city, David, continues to mourn.
There have been thousands of people here at this memorial site all day, David.
Okay, a couple of timeline issues.
They shot, the bullets were shot out of the hotel suite for nine minutes, so police didn't arrive for an hour.
Right?
That's 72 minutes, yeah.
This guy was there nine minutes afterwards, apparently, because he's the one responsible for the shooting to cease, according to this report.
Yeah.
And that's what the cops are saying.
Oh, the security guard was in there.
Hero, hero.
The security hero was in there and then the guy stopped shooting and started shooting at him.
And then he went, and the way they describe it, he got away, got away somehow.
And he went to tell authorities, which again, took about an hour to get there after that.
Now, I don't know about you, but I've been to Vegas.
I've been to places that have security guards.
I don't know of any security guards that don't have an over-amped Walkie-talkies.
That's making a lot of racket.
That's what would have happened.
What you just did.
He would have been on his horn talking about being shot on the 32nd floor and it would have resulted in people showing up.
But somehow he got away and then had to go alert people about it.
So this doesn't make any sense.
Now, this other thing doesn't make any sense is the other report that came.
I don't have it in front of me.
I didn't reclip it, but it was the discussion by some of the police who were kind of annoyed by the security guard getting so much credit.
Saying that they were coming out of the elevators as he was retreating and he was part of the firefight that took place.
That would have had to be ten minutes after the initial contact.
Now you know why you don't see him on TV.
The story doesn't line up.
And that's why they spent so much time in the press briefings on the timeline.
Which they still haven't got correct.
No.
By their own discussions.
Yes, yes.
So the security guard story is rather sketchy.
And I don't know if there is a security guard.
I mean, that could be a non-existent person.
We don't see him.
He could be someone hiding in fear because he knew what was going on or he may have been part of it, which is not unusual.
Security guards don't get paid a lot.
Right.
I'm not accusing him.
But the whole thing is very suspicious and it doesn't make any sense.
And I'm totally convinced that this guy shoots himself with a magnum or some crazy gun, which is not anything what he's going to do.
But let's go and play the rest of this, which is the.
I got four clips and all of them fairly short.
And it's about Patek.
Let's start off with the one I think that was on CBS.
Patek was up at the casino, which this is a baffling thing.
The guy makes nothing but money.
Left by a social media post, by a telephone call that was made, by investigators mining computer data.
Today, in our investigation, we don't have any of that uncovered.
I wish we did.
Paddock holed up in a suite at the Mandalay Bay Casino Resort with several weapons, including AK-47s and AR-15s.
Sources tell CBS his arsenal would have cost more than $50,000.
Investigators also found Paddock's car in the hotel parking garage.
It held an explosive, tannerite, and at least 1,000 rounds of ammunition.
CBS's John Blackstone asked if losses at the casino tables or any financial problems may have been a motive.
I can tell you that we've ruled that out as one of the reasons.
There's no massive loss of money, none of those things that might cause that.
In fact, I would say it's probably to the contrary.
He was up.
He was up.
Yeah.
Then I have to just point out, I know an international, a real international arms dealer, Joop van den Nieuwenhuijzen.
And he's gotten in a lot of trouble because he sold some submarine to the Chinese.
He's a Dutch guy.
And I went to him to Vegas to the helicopter show when he owned McDonnell Douglas.
He was trying to sell me an MD-900.
But I got a friend you got free Learjet rides and all kinds of groovy stuff Vegas is perfect for this kind of business It is what goes on there all the time all the security conferences all the big weapons conferences and as you point out, you know Right right near the you know, it's convenient for the Mexican gangs and we do have a history of selling them under Under his eye.
Under the watchful eye of the FBI, such as the Fast and Furious program, which I'd never really expected for you to go there, because that was the first 4chan theory.
I didn't read any of the 4chan stuff.
You're nailing it, actually.
Well, I'm doing it from logic.
Yeah, and I like that.
So let's go to the other things that confirm this.
And again, I think it would be just as easy for the police, if they didn't want to get themselves into too much trouble, to say, we don't know that this guy did any of this.
It might have been somebody else.
But then that brings in the issue of where's the cameras?
Who came in and out of there?
Who could it have been?
Where's all the security?
And Vegas is loaded with security.
Was there some deal where these cameras were turned off?
I think they use the same company they use at the Pentagon on 9-11 for the security cameras to capture the plane crashing into the Pentagon.
Very funny.
It's funny.
The reference is to the, it's not the same company, the reference is, I don't know if you should bring in spurious information, but the reference is the fact that there are supposedly videos of the jets slamming into the Pentagon that they won't release.
Right.
Right.
Why?
Yeah.
Because it was a missile.
Anyway, Paddock Psych Rundown 1.
And also- We'll take you through more of that video in a moment and what it tells investigators.
But first, new information about the shooter, Steven Paddock, and why police suspect he had also considered attacks on crowds at big events in Chicago and Boston.
Okay, stop, stop.
I want you to listen to this bullcrap with this in mind.
They are making all this, NBC.
They're making all kinds of assumptions.
He considered shooting it up in Chicago at Lollapalooza.
Can I just stop you on that very point?
This is, because I'm getting text messages, you know, from young people who went to Lollapalooza and they're freaking out.
I'm like, hold on a second.
You know, there's a concert everywhere these days.
I mean, if he was in Austin, oh, he was there during South by, he's gonna kill people.
Oh, he was there during ACL live, he's gonna kill people there.
Every hotel overlooks some kind of venue at some point.
That is such conjecture.
It is, that is terrorism right there.
That's terrorism.
This is the worst report In this regard, that what you just said, that I've ever heard.
Terrorism.
It's all conjecture and it's like, it's beyond the pale in so far as like jumping to conclusions.
This guy travels everywhere and because he checked, because he actually didn't check into some hotel that he got a reservation at, he was gonna do a murder.
But wait, he's never done one before.
He's never gonna do one again.
Yeah.
But we're gonna make these assumptions and this report, you might as well start from the beginning, this report and the follow-up are outrageous in the way they twist things.
We'll take you through more of that video in a moment and what it tells investigators.
But first, new information about the shooter, Steven Paddock, and why police suspect he had also considered attacks on crowds at big events in Chicago and Boston.
Our justice correspondent, Pete Williams, joins us now with late details.
Terrorism!
Lester, good evening.
Investigators say this new information comes from what authorities hope will be one of the most productive searches now underway of his electronic trail from the half dozen phones and computers he left behind.
Officials say Steven Paddock did internet research earlier this year on Lollapalooza, the summer music festival in Chicago's Grant Park.
They say he even reserved rooms in a hotel that overlooks the park for a few days during the event, though he never actually showed up.
He also researched events at Boston's Fenway Park and nearby hotels, officials say, according to FBI searches of electronic devices found in his homes and his internet browsing history.
A sign, they say, that Paddock was thinking about attacking large crowds months before the Las Vegas shooting rampage.
Sensationalism.
Terrorism.
Selling fear.
Great ROI for these people.
It's unbelievable.
This report is so lame.
And they do it with such earnestness and certainty and sincerity.
I find it abhorrent.
Let's play part two.
Thinking about attacking large crowds months before the Las Vegas shooting rampage.
But so far investigators are stumped over how Steven Paddock went from being a varsity tennis player and sociable high school student in California to the antisocial former accountant who became a mass murderer.
His brother Eric has said he knows of no serious health problems that would have made such a profound change.
Something happened in his head that the Steve I knew two weeks ago.
Now hold on, this is a different brother from the nutty brother?
No, it's the same nutty brother.
I thought his name was Patrick.
This guy's name is Eric?
I thought his name was Patrick.
I didn't hear what his name was in this and I didn't know his name.
It's the same guy.
Okay, well, you saw it, so I'll tell you.
The Steve I knew two weeks ago, no longer the guy who did that.
And officials say his girlfriend, Mary Lou Danley, has told authorities that Paddock had some mental health issues and would sometimes lie in bed crying out, oh my god.
But investigators say they have yet to find any- Now wait a minute!
How did they get this information?
I heard this too.
Where'd they get this information from?
From the girlfriend?
Yeah, but who?
Is there a leak in the FBI?
The Filipino girlfriend.
I understand.
Who was interrogated by the FBI?
That's what they got out of her.
And where was that statement?
I don't know.
I didn't see it anywhere.
They're just... Thank you.
They're just making it up as far as I'm concerned.
They could be making it up, but even so, saying, oh my God, when you're in bed is like, I don't know.
Danley has told authorities that Paddock had some mental health issues and would sometimes lie in bed crying out, oh my God.
But investigators say they have yet to find any health problems, physical or mental, grave enough to push him into becoming a killer.
As for police saying he might have had an escape plan, investigators say they found no hard evidence of that or of help from anyone else in planning or carrying out the attack.
And despite tips that Paddock was with a woman the day of the shooting, no such person has yet been found.
Pete Williams, NBC News, Washington.
Nah, this, this... Now, by the way, can you imagine being a gunrunner and you're kind of sleepless and you're in bed and you think of some unbelievable scheme?
Yes.
And you say, oh my god!
Oh no!
What is it, honey?
What is it?
Nothing, nothing, nothing.
Since you can't tell her anything.
Oh no, I don't know, I'm just, I don't know.
Just, just for your rundown, I do have two clips on the, the...
Medication angles.
I know you have one too, so however you want to play.
I actually don't have any.
Which one are you thinking of?
Oh yeah, you have a Patek Psyche rundown ABC details.
But you know, let me bring these in then.
Yeah, okay.
Two clips.
Now this is, I think this is Fox Business.
This may be CNBC.
I can't remember.
The second one is definitely Fox Business.
They're touching the third rail of cable news.
And the night terrors that she talks about.
What does all that tell you?
The night terrors interest me quite a bit.
If it was just once, it could be written off as a bad dream.
But the implication is that it was more than once.
And that tells me this man was very, very disturbed to be crying and moaning and screaming while he's asleep.
If a child were doing that, we'd be calling the doctor.
The second most important thing is the revelation that he was taking Valium, that he was new at using it.
He had a prescription for it.
Valium is an anti-anxiety agent.
It's a tranquilizer.
Yeah, it makes you really amped up and hyped and ready to go kick some ass and kill some people.
It's like a... It's a... Demazopam.
Old-fashioned tranq.
Yeah, Demazopam, isn't it?
Yeah, maybe.
Yeah, I've had that.
It's to go to sleep.
My martini calms the person down, but extended use, frequent use and extended use can cause more problems.
Yeah.
When the person comes down off the dose, the drug is no longer acting.
You mean comes up off the dose.
You don't come down from value.
You come back to life.
Their system, they can go into a clinical depression and become even more nervous.
Obviously, putting all that together, Tony, you would certainly want to talk to the doctor who had prescribed these medications to him, right?
Again, I'm surprised where this investigation has not gotten to that point.
I mean, these drugs are controlled.
Prescriptions are very, very controlled.
So, why aren't we figuring out more about who prescribed these and why?
And this goes back to my contention earlier.
By the way, my first thought, seriously, my first thought was Shantix.
I swear, that's like, man, this guy's probably... Was he a smoker?
Did he try to stop smoking?
He looks like one, doesn't he?
Yeah.
This particular report is weird because we've never heard them go into this before.
Yes.
And these other crazy people who have taken weirder, more extreme product.
It gets better.
And by the way, Valium is kind of public domain.
It's a generic.
Yeah.
So I don't think it's hurting anybody's business.
Is that an RSSI?
I don't think so.
It's an old-fashioned tranquilizer.
It's like very, I don't know, you look at it, somebody could tell.
It's a mild, it's nothing that's causing these problems that these other drugs do.
But again, Shantix.
That was my first thought.
I'm like, man, this guy must have been trying to stop smoking because that would explain everything.
People do the craziest crap on Shantix.
But now this, this is from Fox Business.
They're going to hit the third rail again, but then it's going to spin into pretty much Five out of every eight young men in America are now going to be suspect of snapping.
Thank you Hillary, appreciate your reporting there.
Now to more on the profile of this reclusive shooter and why he did it.
Police say they are looking closely at the entire life of 64-year-old Steven Paddock.
He has been described as just a normal guy, a successful real estate investor and gambler, multi-millionaire, wealthy retiree.
He didn't fit the mass shooter profile.
Let's take this to psychiatrist and author Dr. Keith Abloh.
Doctor, what do you think of the news that he was moaning and groaning in his bed according to his girlfriend?
Yeah, no, you nailed it because we both caught that this was something new.
This is a new story and everyone's analyzing it.
And for them to even briefly touch on the drug industry in cable news, which is very, very, very dangerous, although you're only talking about one particular drug.
But now we've got, you know, okay, we've got the moaning and groaning.
This is good news.
Well, Liz, I think that this information continues to contribute to the potential theory that really what motivated Steven Paddock may have been an underlying degree of something on the autistic spectrum, Asperger's syndrome, wherein, you know, he's suffering, but suffering silently.
He doesn't know how to share his incredible growing rage, his sense of desperation.
He's a tremendously organized fellow.
We get that from a number of sources.
He's having his girlfriend stand away from him sometimes when he uses the video poker machines.
It's video poker.
It isn't around a table where somebody bluffing is often something you intuit.
I was reading the statistics about video poker.
You pretty much can win about, I think, what are the Aussie?
You have 99% that you can win back, but the casino always has that 1%.
Which goes back to my thesis about money laundering.
It's a perfect way to do it.
Yeah, whitewashing.
Yeah, even if you get 80% of your money back, who cares?
He's not a man, necessarily, it doesn't seem like it, who's got an emotional connection with folks.
It's all about rigidity, obsessiveness.
If he has a Facebook account, which I've heard there's one, it's very limited.
There's not much happening in his social world because he's so limited.
That's the kind of crucible in which somebody can become more and more I'm not, but I could be.
Wait for it.
He even wears gloves, supposedly, when he's driving.
Now, what's remarkable.
Ooh.
You know, I think you might be a glove wearer when you're driving.
I'm not, but I could be.
Yeah.
It looks cool.
My mom used to put on gloves to drive.
You know, like the fingerless gloves, you know, half the fingers.
That was, yeah.
People would say, yeah, he seemed like a normal guy.
What's normal about somebody who doesn't greet his neighbors when they say hello to him and wave?
Again, I'm looking at you, John.
I have a feeling you're not friendly to your neighbors.
I'm very friendly to my neighbors.
I don't know where you're coming from, but I do know neighbors who never say, we have some Chinese across the street.
It's taken over a year for the guy to acknowledge my house is here.
Yeah, right?
It's not that unusual.
Okay, but we're getting closer to his point.
to him and wave nothing back often wearing gloves to drive moaning in bed who moves close to a city in Las Vegas close to Las Vegas in order to play video poker and his brother's like well he seemed from normal to me he did yeah not at all yeah doctor did other mass shooters exhibit the similar behaviors of Asperger's syndrome as you point out he did not he did not use the word Asperger's He did not say that.
She just read the next line.
As you just pointed out, Asperger's, because this is what he's saying, completely OCD, never use the word Asperger's.
He did?
Not at all.
Doctor, did other mass shooters exhibit the similar behaviors of Asperger's syndrome?
He said the autism spectrum, but that's a severe end of the spectrum.
Absolutely.
You know, you just go to Aurora, Colorado.
You go to Sandy Hook.
You see folks with the same kind of oddities.
Even going back to Dylan Kleibold and others.
These folks who seem socially ill at ease, quite obsessive, perhaps on the spectrum.
It's interesting, Liz, and I'm not saying this is a fait accompli.
I'm raising the question.
You know, we've seen Asperger's Asperger's disorder and autism spectrum disorders, they keep changing the names, ratchet up, right?
People are like, why?
Why do these things keep going up?
What do we also see going up?
Mass shootings going up.
Now, I'm not saying that two things are one, but really, shouldn't we look at it and wonder whether internally some tiny minority of folks on the spectrum become increasingly, increasingly frustrated and enraged with people?
Why can't I participate?
Why can't I feel alive at a concert?
And then terrible things can happen.
That was Fox Business.
Okay, Fox Business is just as bad.
But let me just say... These guys, they can't get good guests.
With too many opportunities.
Nobody wants to be a guest on these shows.
And so you're dragging any old guy that just kind of sounds good when he's yakking away about one thing or another.
Here's how I interpret it.
Blame it on diabetes!
Well, stand back.
Here's how I interpret it.
We were going towards the drug angle.
Nah, we gotta steer away from that, because look, what do we see with all these mass shooters, besides that they're white?
What do we see?
We see that they're all on the spectrum, and I guess Asperger's on the lower end of the spectrum, you'd be high functioning as the other end.
And, uh, this fits neatly into the expanded background checks we're going to receive.
You have a diagnosis on the spectrum, which is five out of every eight boys now in America?
You're screwed.
I would say, I would take it to a different...
Point.
I mean, I like the idea of selling more drugs, but I think the whole thing is, especially with the bringing in Valium and yakking about it, is another reason to refuse to allow people to buy guns.
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying.
This is, did you not hear what I said?
I heard you said, but you didn't say guns.
You interrupted me and I let you.
Well, I said guns.
I beat you to it.
That's what pisses me off.
So yes, no guns for you.
And then right after that, We don't think you should live within, you know, a thousand yards of a school.
You know, you'd be like a sex offender.
Yes.
You have to register.
That is, that's what, that's the war on crazy.
How many times have we said it?
It's the war on crazy.
That's what we talk about.
We talked about this a million times.
And we're right.
It appears so.
Especially when you have a situation where this guy's just a patsy.
And you know, the first guy that said this to me was actually one of my liberal friends who called me up.
I won't say who it is.
He called me up and said, he says, I can't talk to any of my friends about this, but I think this guy was a patsy.
And I found it more interesting that he couldn't talk to anybody but me.
Yeah.
Because I would, you know, at least listen to him.
Yeah.
No, that is not the conversation you're supposed to be having.
So let's play this last psych rundown again.
Now this is the other ones were on NBC.
This is the ABC and it's a little longer.
It's got a few more details, but it, But again, it leads me to conclude that this guy didn't do anything.
And also tonight, what was written on a note found in the gunman's hotel room, as we also learn just how much the gunman made in those casinos in the days before the attack, and the millions he made in just one year.
Here's ABC's chief investigative correspondent, Brian Ross.
What did they find?
Oh, you didn't share.
A note?
You know, there's two things.
This note, nobody talks about, ABC does.
I thought it was a goat.
The other thing that was, it's cute, the other thing, if you've heard all these clips I've had, I've heard your clips, nobody brings up this IRS page ever.
That's good, isn't it?
She just returned to the U.S.
from the Philippines two days ago.
But tonight, federal authorities have put a close watch on Mary Lou Danley to make sure she doesn't try to leave the country as they struggle to find the motive behind her boyfriend's crime.
We have no credible information to report to you as to motivation.
FBI agents and police say they are skeptical of her claims that she knew nothing about the plans of her longtime boyfriend, Steven Paddock.
But a family friend who visited them in Nevada says that could well be true, that she was subservient to him.
It's not what I saw as a loving, caring relationship.
Adam Lefevre told an Australian TV station he spent a week with the couple in Nevada in 2015, staying with them in a luxury casino suite, and later at Paddock's home, where Paddock showed off what he called his gun room.
He was very strict and very firm on the fact that it is a right, it is a capacity, and it's the freedom of every American resident and person to participate, to own a gun, and use it as seen fit.
We need be, and that law should never be changed.
Late today, authorities confirmed reports the shooter left behind some kind of a note, which authorities say contained a series of cryptic numbers, but was not a suicide note.
Officials are tracking every aspect of Paddock's life back to high school in Los Angeles and earlier, and his recent prescriptions for Valium.
We are looking at every aspect from birth to death of this suspect in this case.
In the final days before the shooting, officials tell ABC News Paddock was seen in the company of prostitutes and went gambling in the Mandalay Bay Casino, winning big jackpots on both Friday and Saturday nights.
And Brian back with us tonight.
And Brian, you were telling us that Steven Paddock called himself a professional gambler, and you're learning just how much he made in one year alone.
Yes, David.
In the year 2015, he reported income of $5 million.
Five million.
And no move.
That's right.
Brian, thanks.
I hope.
At any moment, I'm expecting him to say, and he was a day trader.
That would just make it complete.
He makes five million playing video poker?
Nah, I don't think so.
That would explain the moaning and groaning.
Yeah, he's got tendinitis in his right hand.
Oh, man.
Well, this guy's just being set up.
And, I mean, what guy, you know, he's up, he's up, he makes lots of money, he's all this stuff's going on.
Somebody murdered him and then shot up the place.
Yeah.
And they had some fun with the, with the whiteys down there at their concert.
Well, I, I, even though you think it's not going to be that big, I really think there's going to be a lot of legislation that's going to be introduced and this is going to be used over and over again.
And concerts, ah, forget about it.
You know, there were people selling their tickets Uh, this, two weekends, this weekend and next weekend is Austin City Limits Live, which is a big concert.
You know, Jay-Z was here, uh, Thursday, Friday night, I think.
Yeah, it's a big deal in Zilker Park.
And people are like, uh, they were selling their tickets, didn't want to go anymore.
They were afraid.
Oh, the public is pathetic.
Yes.
And with that... Well, wait, no, before you do that, since you brought this up, I don't want to tease it.
I do want to play what I think where this is headed.
You think it's going to be all kinds of legislation.
I think it's more along the lines of this very strong attempt to pass the, and they're using it as a way to get to, don't let a good disaster or tragedy go to waste.
Never let a good tragedy go to waste, yes.
I think the direction, the way they're going to milk this one is going to be this clip, which is a domestic terrorism trick.
No, Australia later.
The massacre is not being called terrorism, and some say it's time to change the law.
Jim Axelrod has more on that.
We just brought this up the other day.
This is great.
This week we've seen a nation can be terrified without the cause necessarily labeled terrorism.
It is time for a variety of reasons to have a domestic terrorism criminal statute.
Currently there's a criminal statute for international terrorism but not domestic.
Former federal prosecutor Mary McCord thinks in an era of mass casualties, it's time that changed.
Violent extremism isn't limited to Islamist extremism or extremism that's done on behalf of or at the direction of a foreign terrorist organization.
With no specific penalties on the books for domestic terrorism, mass killers like Timothy McVeigh face charges of using a weapon of mass destruction.
Or Dylan Roof, who faced murder and weapons charges.
But the label domestic terrorism makes the motive clear, says McCord, now at Georgetown Law, in a way that sharpens our response.
It shows the significance of this type of a crime and why it's important for it to be looked at and treated for what it is, which is terrorism.
It's a crime done for the very purpose of terrorizing people.
Federal domestic terror law would also mean FBI-led investigations and the creation of deeper, wider databases to keep track of mass violence.
Of course, there is a potential problem.
Labeling domestic hate groups as terrorists, like Al-Qaeda or ISIS, raises constitutional questions.
That starts to get very close to the line of potentially infringing on free speech, freedom to associate and express one's views, however abhorrent they may be to others within the population.
During the Obama administration, the Justice Department considered creating a domestic terrorism statute.
We asked the Trump DOJ if it's continuing the work.
A spokesman declined comment.
Jim Axelrod, thanks Jim.
A question for you.
Isn't this exactly what I was saying?
You just proved it.
Here comes... laws.
Yeah, but... I... yeah.
I did prove it, but I think what I was proving was the thing you said last show.
Which is the type of law.
I mean, when you say here comes laws, I think immediately after a big shooting, the first thing you think of is anti-gun laws.
Oh, okay.
I see what you're saying.
Yeah.
And I don't see any anti-gun laws coming down any pike.
No.
And in fact, there's a pro-gun piece that was done on one of these network news shows that I thought was kind of off.
There were several.
Even the Washington Post had a piece that said, you know, removing guns doesn't change anything.
No laws will help.
But I'm happy that at least we're going to, because we've already been doing it, let's at least redefine the word terrorism so that we all agree on it, which is just going to be something new.
Yeah, but the problem of course is they mention Timothy McVeigh, they mention this guy and that guy, and they mention all these different guys.
White guys.
And who've all been either Always guys, white men.
And they've already either been hung, or they're going to be hung, or they're going to be in jail for the rest of their lives.
In other words, the report is flawed in that the laws on the books have already taken care of these problems.
It's not as though people are getting away with terrorism and shooting up the place.
And the guy in Vegas is dead, if it was him.
So the point is, they're trying to redefine terrorism, and we had the definition, which I think was legitimate, and taking the political aspect out of it, and just, oh, you terrorize somebody.
Bullying is terrorism then, all of a sudden.
Any sort of, you know, screaming at somebody is terrorism, you know.
Yelling at your wife is terrorism.
Angry facebag post, terrorism.
Well, there you go.
That would be a good idea.
But you have all this nonsense, and then you also bring in the police state aspect.
This is just a continuation of furtherance of the police state that we already have.
Because the laws have done a fine job of taking care of these situations, and there's no reason.
Well, this woman, she goes on with her argument that it's good to know That this is terrorism.
Well, it's not really terrorism by the real definition.
Right.
And people have been punished.
So what more do you want?
I mean, you don't think we have enough laws that pile on some poor guy who jaywalks, but they say there's a million other laws.
Stepped off the curb with the wrong foot.
He didn't pay attention to the lights.
So you nailed, you put down 30 charges against some jaywalk.
So you can, you know, Make him change his, you know, do a plea deal.
Well, we'll drop 20 of these charges and we'll just give you this charge in a suspended sentence if you give us some money.
It's a corrupt system.
This woman is not helping.
No.
But once you change the basic definition, as you already said, once you change the basic definition of terrorism, then there's lots of terrorism related laws on the books.
Yeah, if it just has anything to do with terrorizing somebody.
Yes.
A bully is a terrorist by this definition in a school.
Yeah, exactly.
And then, then you get into some fun stuff.
Oh yeah, well it's always going to be fun stuff with these creeps running things.
Well, we are here to protect everyone's sanity.
Mainly our own.
God, man.
And with that, yeah, I would like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C, where the C stands for, could be a Patsy, Dvorak!
In the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry.
In the morning to all ships that sea, boats on the ground, feet in the air, and subs in the water.
Yes.
All the names and nights out there.
In the morning to everybody in the chat room, noagendastream.com.
A little more signal to noise ratio would be appreciated.
And in the morning to Martin JJ.
Who once again came through with a fabulous piece of art.
It was the iconic Welcome to Las Vegas sign, which had Welcome to Fabulous, No Agenda, Curry and Dvorak was well done.
Fit perfectly.
Didn't have too much blood and gore.
It was just right, we felt.
And it had zip.
Zip.
It had zip.
Yes.
We appreciate that, Martin, JJ, and all of our artists who upload diligently, sometimes during the show, to knowagendaartgenerator.com where we pick the art from every week.
Thank you so much.
Every show, I should say.
Now, in our value for value model, I felt a little gypped this week, because I know you and I both worked really hard, watched a lot of bulk, I watched so much C-SPAN, which I have a report on later, that, you know, the value for value works two ways, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
Well, I think it's a message the public did not like our group, our public, which is tens of thousands at minimum, did not like our report on the Vegas thing.
They didn't like what we had to say, I guess, because we got almost no donations.
We got like 35 people total that donated above $50 and only two executive, associate executive producers.
And that to me says that I think that was an indication that we maybe shouldn't go in so deep on some of these things.
I guess.
Or let them just suffer with network analysis.
That may be better.
Let's talk about our two, our one executive producer and our one associate executive producer.
And I'm going to start backwards.
I'm going to start with the associate executive producer, Gerald Lyons.
Who says, will send email from hashtag dadbod at something dot com for show on 10-8-2017.
I have no such mail from that email address from anyone named Gerald or anyone named Lyons.
Well, I think I do have the hashtag.
Yes, I do.
But I have his email.
It's not his name.
Maybe he doesn't want his name to be known.
Well, he's on here and he never said a thing about anonymous unless it's in that note, which is dumb.
Uh, I'm gonna read this.
That's what I think it is.
I'll just read it.
Okay.
In the morning, gentlemen, thank you for all you do.
Both of you are great patriots and provide a much-needed service.
I request a de-douching.
Do that right now.
You've been de-douched.
And a jobs karma for a promotion applied for and an LGY.
Also, I'd like a quick shout-out to my smoking-hot wife, Lindsay, my son, Tiberius, and some general karma to my Instagram family who also listen to the show.
That would be Black Knight Sir Kalashnikov.
He has a whole list here.
I'll do them.
At Mr. Brockman, at this charming dad, at Major Fitness, at Gregman6, at No Agenda Shop, at Firearms Training Central, at RuinerAR15, and at DC, DC a chain in, DC a chain in, and all NA producers out there.
Thank you, sirs.
Please keep up the great work.
We need you!
Respectfully.
So, I can give him that.
Uh, what did he want here again?
Deducing jobs, Karma, and I'll do a MILF thing.
MILF.
That's one mother I'd like to f***.
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs!
Yay!
You've got Karma.
Okay, so we have, and that's, he's $200, he's our associate executive producer.
Richard Bangs is $300, and he's the executive producer.
He sent in a long email which has, for your information, NJNK.
Nice!
So you don't have to dig up anything.
He does say that cancer karma worked.
His mom just beat breast cancer.
All right!
Nice!
All right, so here's, now I can't read this whole note because a lot of it's just random ramblings about wine.
I'm a couple shows behind, but you've been putting out fires.
He's got a little icon, a little emoji.
I'm one of the good millennials.
1983 birthday.
So I keep it, and he's got to keep it 100%.
He's got another emoji.
Good millennials, 1983 birthday.
So I keep it, and I keep it 100%.
He's got another emoji.
100% emoji, yeah.
I love bragging that I produce a podcast, which you do.
I always use this throwaway, well that's not true.
It's technically the best podcast in the universe.
The other millennials, I contend even the majority of good millennials are douches as well.
They get so jealous of him.
Living in DC is crazy.
People are the biggest dicks as neighbors, yet some looney tune goes nuts and all of a sudden there are all kinds of anti-Trump, anti-freedom signage, including love Trump's hate, ban assault weapons.
Everyone is welcome.
No more Sandy Hook.
Oh, you know what?
Since we're on the topic, I have a short clip regarding that because he brought it up.
We didn't bring it up.
He brought it up.
It's a recording in a UNLV class.
Where the teacher blames Trump for the shooting?
You want to hear that?
Oh, yes!
I did a lot of work on the filtering.
It's still, you just, you got to just kind of focus on it.
Oh, somebody just recorded off their phone or something?
Of course, yeah.
I really tried to get it, you know, see if it works.
He's threatening to nuclear violence against North Korea and other places.
And words, especially if they're coming from someone who is president, have consequences.
Right?
When he got elected, I told my class this three semesters ago, Can you hear it at all?
I could hear a joke.
You play a little longer and then I'll cut it off.
It's only 20 more seconds.
Some of us won't be affected by this presidency, but others are going to die.
Other people will die because of this.
And we've seen this happen, right?
I mean, I don't know that these events would have been evident.
No, I don't think you can hear it.
Well, I heard that a lot of people are going to die because of this president.
Yeah, so she had said at the beginning of the year, or when Trump was elected, a lot of people, some people will die because of this president.
And what she says, and you can see the video, it has, you know, the subtitles.
And she says, well, there you go, because he incited violence.
Some people take it to heart.
So this is what happens and it's Trump's fault.
And that's in class.
That's in class.
Yeah.
All right.
Yeah.
That's what goes on.
Welcome to the education system of the United States.
Anyway, he goes on, he goes on and says, no more Sandy Hook.
They think that some social, there's some social justice warrior.
He's some social justice.
Pick up your dog shit.
Making some, making a comment about they talk a big game, but they won't pick up the dog crap.
Right.
Right.
You don't have to read this if you don't want to, but however, I bet a few listeners would be interested.
Now, John, you suck at reading these notes, so I'm calling in Adam to get this done for me.
What?
I don't know.
My dilemma by no means, well, if I'd like to spend some money on good wine, now he goes into a wine discussion and I'm going to point something out to the thing.
I don't think a lot of people are too aware of the.
His wife doesn't drink and he wants to have some wine once in a while and he needs some recommendations for $300 cases.
When I recommend a wine on this show or anyplace else or in a column or usually a tweet, this wine is not going to be around long and they don't make more of it.
Some people for some reason think of wine as a commodity.
So you go out and you Buy this wine and you like it, so you go buy some more and you decide for the rest of your life you're going to buy this wine.
I can assure you that this wine is available once, especially Bordeaux's good wines.
In fact, good California wines are the same way.
A 2012 Lael Villiscos comes out, they make X amount of it, they ship it out, it gets bought up, it's done.
Now it's something else.
It's a different year.
It's a different wine.
And for some reason, a lot of people, and I believe Richard here is one of them, who actually believes that, or thinks it's possible, because he says he... I recommended some Las Vascas Grand Reserve 2012.
Ah, yes, as one does, of course.
Well, that was a really tasty wine.
And I think it was at Costco.
And it would be at Costco for about two weeks.
And then it would sell out, and then there'd be something else, because these wines are all limited production.
They make them once, it's called a vintage, and they make a pile of wine, and they ship it out, and then they make a new pile of wine.
And you gotta, you know, so you have to move fast.
That's what I'm saying.
All right.
Well, it is a little-known fact, but I learned this Friday evening.
The Keeper and I had dinner with Sir Gene here in Austin.
And he says, you know, I send text messages to John and emails all the time and never get an answer, but I found out if you send him a message and include a picture of a bottle of wine, you get an immediate response.
Yes, he sent, he's showing off, he sent me a picture of a bottle of Chateau Montrose 2008.
You had a classic response.
Yeah, I told him he's drinking it too young, I think is what I said.
I hate to say it, but you should have had this in two years from now.
Big mistake, loser.
I think that's what you said.
I did not say big mistake, loser.
But I did tell him that it was, I almost sent him a picture back of another bottle of Montrose, which I had just recently had, which was in 2004, was absolutely fantastic.
He did comment back one more time saying, yeah, the wine was probably not ready to drink.
That's the problem with some of these high-end Bordeaux wines, and that's not a cheap wine.
Right.
He's like this big spender to be buying Montrose at a restaurant.
So I wouldn't do it.
No.
Anyway, so that's it.
Anyway, these are our two guys.
We got the two guys that, you know, felt that they could Invest in this show.
And that's all we got.
So I want to thank those two for producing this show.
Yes.
Thank them profusely.
And there will be more people to thank, but not a lot coming in at $50 or more in our second donation segment.
And we take your message to heart so we understand what you're saying.
And we do have a show coming up on Thursday.
I promise you, we will do the best we can.
And you do the same.
Propagating the formula.
Our formula is this.
We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
I did want to mention, you know, a couple weeks ago, I got all jacked up about IMAX.
Because we have this Bullock Museum in Austin, where they have an IMAX, a small theater, only 200 people, I think.
Beautiful, great sound, just fantastic.
The people are rarely there.
I mean, it wasn't even full.
It never is completely full.
They used to not serve any beverages or food.
Now they only serve soft drinks and popcorn and no alcohol.
So people don't want to go there.
Really?
Yes, yes, really.
Not that many theaters I ever go to that serve booze.
Well, in Austin it's, you know, Alamo Draft House.
It's really culture here to eat and drink during the, you know, it's just set up that way.
It's a restaurant in a movie theater.
Yeah, we have one place like that in El Cerrito, called the El Cerrito, and it looks like a little, it's a new theater, and it's very small, it seems, but when you go in there, it's all tables.
Yeah, yeah, right.
So this is just a regular old movie theater, but it's IMAX, and it's just the way you want, and whenever the camera tilts, you really feel like you're going along with it.
Now, so I'm all jacked up, because we saw Kingsman there, like, ah!
One of my favorite movies that I remember as a kid, it's now more than 30 years ago, was Blade Runner.
Ah!
Let's go see Blade Runner!
Okay.
Yeah.
And this is our big Saturday night.
You know, the woo-hoo!
Because I gotta do prep, so... We're gonna have a great time.
Before the movie, and they also have no ads or anything, and no previews, which is nice, because it's a museum.
I guess they don't have to make profit that way.
And they show pieces of the old Blade Runner.
And I'm sitting, it's Tina, I said, ah, you didn't see it, but you know, it's kind of good, because I guess it was kind of boring.
Yeah, it kind of sucked, maybe, I don't know.
Then, then the new Blade Runner comes on.
Like, almost a three-hour movie.
John, I wanted to shoot myself.
This is the worst piece of crap I've ever seen.
Why?
People are raving about it.
Oh, it's shit.
It's so slow.
Here's some dialogue.
I am Ryan Gosling.
Hello.
How are you?
That's it!
Harrison Ford doesn't show up for almost two hours.
Ugh.
Nah, it was... Did they do the director's cut or something?
Like, someone did... If you could've made this an hour and a half movie, it would've been pretty good!
Cause I'd be falling asleep, and all of a sudden, oh!
Action!
Oh, okay, there's some action.
And then it's back to slow, big dramatic music.
Just dumb!
Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Now you got me, my curiosity peaked.
Go for it.
Or tweaked.
Let's take a look.
I was gonna do this.
I hated it.
I really did.
I really felt gypped.
We've all gotten, I know you're using that word a lot.
We've all gotten the impression you... It'd be nice if I had my keyboard.
Oh, there it is.
I may repeat my words, but at least I know where my keyboard is.
Yeah, well, you don't have it on the desk.
I'm set up in a funny way here.
You don't say.
So let's go to Rotten Tomatoes.
Okay.
Too bad you didn't get some clips from the film.
Dude, we don't have enough time for those clips.
They take 8 minutes for one scene.
For one guy to say hi.
Blade Runner got a... Blade Runner 2049, which is always a mistake, got an 89%, which means you get the special best tomato award from the experts, and the audience gave it an 84.
That means they liked it?
Yes, lots.
Jeez.
Alright.
It was like... You were either in a bad mood... No.
No, not at all.
Or these people all got their heads up their butts.
You know what it reminded me of?
Lord of the Rings, another movie I didn't like.
Ah.
So that's probably my mistake.
Or maybe they're just supposed to like it.
Boy, I liked it, because that's the right thing to say.
I don't know.
Personally... Did you go see Kingsman?
Yeah, I just said that.
Yes, I love Kingsman.
Well, you just said you went to see Blade Runner.
You kind of cut off the Kingsman.
No, we talked about Kingsman two weeks ago.
I know, but not when I had Tomatoes open.
What did you think?
I told you I thought it was one of the best movies I've seen.
I loved it.
It was fantastic.
And you like it too.
You saw it, didn't you?
I saw the original.
I haven't seen the same one.
You'll love the Kingsman.
Okay.
Don't condemn me for asking you the same question twice when I have tomatoes open.
50% it got a tomato splat.
I'm out of whack.
Wait.
But the giveaway, and I always look for this, by the way, if I see the low number from the critics and then 71% liked.
Audience, which means it's good.
I always think that's a good sign.
Just my opinion of things.
When the critics, you know, are mixed and then the audience loves it, it's usually entertaining.
It's probably got some flaws, but it's entertaining.
Still lower though than Blade Runner.
Yeah.
Well, there you go.
What do I know?
I'm gonna have to go see both these movies and give my opinion.
Okay.
I don't like slow-moving movies.
No.
So... You know, I can watch long movies.
I can watch a black-and-white movie on TCM if I want to... Yeah.
You know, so... It was like... What is it?
Some cinemato... Cinematography... Cinema... Cinematog... Cinemagraphic.
Thank you.
Cinemagraphic Marvel or something?
No.
It wasn't all that great.
Yeah.
It wasn't all that great.
It's okay.
It was okay.
The sets were easy.
Yeah, a bunch of sand everywhere.
How about this?
Maybe the movie- And a lot of advertising in the movie.
Sony, Seiko, Peugeot, just tons of placement everywhere.
Yeah.
Is it possible that people were liking this movie because it was nostalgic and the other movie didn't resolve completely?
Could be.
Yeah, could be.
There was definitely resolution.
And I saw the original play.
It was Rudger Howard, Dutch guy.
You know, I thought I liked it.
It doesn't matter.
Here's the space movie that I'm looking for.
Pence announced this.
It is my great honor to be with you today.
This is a White House video.
They did a great job here.
It is my great honor to be with you today here at the inaugural meeting of the reconstituted National Space Council.
In his inaugural address, the President rededicated America once again to lead in the heavens, and in his words, to unlock the mysteries of space.
To guide this new era of American space leadership, President Trump relaunched the National Space Council, and it is my great honor to have the opportunity to serve as its chair at the first meeting in nearly a quarter century.
Under President Trump's leadership and with the guidance of this National Space Council, the United States will usher in a new era of space leadership that will benefit every facet of our national life.
We'll strengthen our economy as we unlock new opportunities, new technologies, and new sources of prosperity.
We'll inspire our children to seek education in science, technology, engineering, and math.
We'll enhance our defense and advance the security of our citizens.
But most of all, we will renew the American spirit itself and rekindle our belief that America can accomplish anything.
To boldly go where no man has gone before.
This is a space council.
It's like we're blasting off and gonna change the world.
Why are the nerd boys not loving this?
Because they're wearing pussy hats.
Trump.
Trump.
He does no good.
He's an asshole.
They don't like him.
By the way, I don't want to belabor the point, but looking at some of the reviews of the Blade Runner, I'm going to read two of them to you and tell me if you agree with either one.
These are negative reviews.
One from the Christian Science Monitor, and the guy says, Blade Runner 2049 is heavy with portentous and pretentious hoo-ha.
The other one says, though, the film dazzles us with its haunting, beautiful images.
It disappoints with its lack of substance.
Yeah, that would be, yeah.
It's slow.
It's just slow.
That's the bottom line.
It's just, does anyone say slow?
Nah, maybe.
I'm not going to read all the reviews.
Hey.
Okay.
Uh, but I have a little, uh, package.
You see, I think, you know, that's what people have been saying.
Oh man, I'd swung both doors open on that one, didn't I?
Damn it.
Friday, remarkably, the Senate Intelligence Committee gave us an update, which was not really, was not really shown anywhere.
I'm stunned that you got this, because I watched this and said, holy crap, these guys are jerks.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, and I kind of got it from, I have two different takes on it.
So they gave an update on their Russia collusion investigation.
And I was first alerted to it.
But I saw it come through on C-SPAN.
The audio is, it really is great to hear.
But then I heard this NPR report, which have I'm just going to play this because, yeah, it kind of represents what they said in their update on a Friday.
Who does an update on a Friday?
Especially an update on a Friday when the news is, the cycle is still 100% Las Vegas.
The only people who would do that are people who have nothing to say or something they don't want anyone to really hear.
Here's NPR's version of the report.
Since it opened its investigation in January, the committee has been trying to uncover and understand Russia's influence operation.
I just want to say January.
That's now tenth, we're in our tenth month of this investigation.
One of the key questions?
Did the Trump campaign coordinate with Russia?
On that, the committee's Republican chairman, Senator Richard Burr, would only offer this.
The committee continues to look into all evidence to see if there was any hint of collusion.
Now, I'm not going to even discuss initial findings because we haven't any.
Burr did say, however, that the committee agrees with the report that U.S.
intelligence agencies released in January accusing Russia of interfering in the election.
He also offered a big-picture view of Moscow's capabilities and the threat they pose to future American elections.
What I will confirm is that the Russian intelligence service is determined Clever, and I recommend that every campaign and every election official take this very seriously as we move into this November's election and as we move into preparation for the 2018 election.
Standing next to Burr in a packed Senate press conference, the committee's top Democrat, Senator Mark Warner, zeroed in on social media companies like Facebook and Twitter.
The companies have faced intense public scrutiny in recent weeks over Russia's use of their platforms to influence Americans, particularly on divisive topics like race and immigration.
I was concerned at first that some of these social media platform companies did not take this threat seriously enough.
I believe they are recognizing that threat now.
Facebook handed over copies of 3,000 Russia-linked ads to the committee this week, and Warner said the social media giants are generally cooperating with the inquiry.
Investigators want to determine who paid for those ads, and other ads, and whether they targeted certain states or regions.
They also want to find out whether Russian bots artificially amplified political conversations on Twitter.
The committee has invited Twitter, Facebook, and Google to an open hearing early next month.
Now, it won't surprise you that this report is disingenuous.
It also omits a lot of details that I think the public likes to know, what is interested in.
And it could only...
The only reason why they don't put that in there, I guess, is they don't have enough time to do it?
No, they don't want to do it.
Oh, okay, that would be it.
So I had pulled a number of clips, and I thought it was quite interesting.
But above all, they really have nothing.
So we have the two senators, Warner and Burr, and they're doing the press conference, and I really took most of the stuff from the question and answer session.
The Russians' use of social media platforms.
Social media platforms that increasingly the vast majority of us turn to for information, for news, in a way that is very different.
If you look, for example, in the realm of political advertising, we've seen a over 700% increase in the use of digital political advertising between 2012 and 2016.
The expectation is that may double or triple again in terms of the next election cycle because of the ability to so target voters.
I was concerned at first that some of these social media platform companies did not take this threat seriously enough.
I believe they are recognizing that threat now.
They've provided us with information.
We think it's important that the three companies that we've invited, Google, Twitter, and Facebook, will appear in a public hearing so that Americans can again hear both about how we're going to protect, I would argue, three areas.
One, making sure that if you see an ad, It appears on a social media site that Americans can know whether the source of that ad was generated by foreign entities.
Two, to make sure that if you see a story that is trending and becoming more popular, whether that trending is because a series of Americans are liking that story or liking that particular page, whether that's generated by real individuals or whether that's generated by bots, or in some cases it may be false identity, falsely identified accounts.
For example, Facebook has indicated between 30,000 and 50,000 such accounts were taken down in France due to Russian interference.
And third, just a notion that both of us have been in politics a long time ago, If you have somebody running an ad for you, against you, you ought to be able to go down and take at least a look at that content the same way that if ads are run for or against you on TV, radio, or newsprint, you can at least get a look at that content.
Notice his use of the word where he says, if ads are being run against you.
So this, this 10 months now of investigating if there was collusion between, as the NPR report said in the beginning, there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians is not even discussed anymore.
Now we're talking about the hacking of the election, and what that is, how it was done, and what it means, and what we're going to do about it.
And every, almost every answer, it's about, as we've accurately predicted, it's about the upcoming election.
The upcoming election.
That's why they're afraid.
And I think they're afraid of something that they truly are afraid of, but it has nothing to do with Russia colluding.
The ads.
We want to see these ads.
Wouldn't it be great if we saw these ads?
Well, here, this brings up the point, as this report of yours triggered immediately in me, is why can't we see the 3,000 ads that Facebook posted?
I'm glad you asked that question.
I mean, I posted a bunch in the newsletter, but what, 20?
Here's the answer.
This question was posed by one of the journos.
Let me just say that many of you have asked us are we going to release the Facebook ads.
We don't release documents provided to our committee.
Period.
Let me say it again.
The Senate Intelligence Committee does not release documents provided by witnesses, companies, whoever they, whatever the classification.
It's not a practice that we're going to get into.
Clearly, if any of the social media platforms would like to do that, we're fine with them doing it, because we've already got scheduled an open hearing, because we believe the American people deserve to hear firsthand.
And just to remind people, on October the 25th, we will have another open hearing, number 12, with Michael Cohen.
So this was rather interesting to me.
The social media companies are free to release that at will.
Well, why don't we ask them to release them already?
and we feel confident that they will take us up on it.
So this was rather interesting to me.
The social media companies are free to release that at will.
Well, why don't we ask them to release them already?
Where are the journos?
They should be hounding them.
Yes, but they are not.
So they're not going to release them.
That's not what they do.
They don't release any documents.
But back to the investigation.
I don't believe that, by the way.
That they've never released documents?
Could be.
I did not check it.
The journos.
Can I keep saying journos or is that dumb?
You know, it's a word that they've used amongst themselves.
That's why I use it.
I don't like it personally.
I think it's insulting.
Yes.
So since it's insulting, you may go ahead.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Meeting adjourned.
The journos, they don't give a shit crap about anything.
They don't care about the elections, who does the... Boys, they're collusion!
How about the Steele dossier with the hookers peeing on the bed that Obama slept in?
As it relates to the Steele dossier.
Unfortunately, the committee has hit a wall.
We have, on several occasions, made attempts to contact Mr. Steele, to meet with Mr. Steele, to include personally the Vice Chairman and myself as two individuals making that connection.
Those offers have gone unaccepted.
The committee cannot really decide the credibility of the dossier without understanding things like who paid for it, who were your sources and subsources.
We're investigating a very expansive Russian network of interference in U.S.
elections.
And though we have been incredibly enlightened at our ability to rebuild backwards the Steele dossier up to a certain date, Getting past that point has been somewhat impossible.
And I say this because I don't think we're going to find any intelligence products that unlock that key to pre-June of 16.
My hope is that Mr. Steele will make a decision to meet with either Mark and I or the committee or both.
So that we can hear his side of it, versus for us to depict in our findings what his intent, or what his actions were.
And I say that to you, but I also say it to Chris Steele.
How interesting is that?
that this report and the the everyone oh yeah everyone knows about this but the guy refuses to back up his own time code okay the guy refuses to back up his own work - Okay.
This is bogus, that's why.
But this is, why isn't this being reported?
This, I think the Steele dossier is of importance.
People want to know.
It was reported on originally, doing corn, that guy who works for Mother Jones, you know, rolled it out.
No, I know, but why, exactly, why are they not reporting that it's not going anywhere because the guy won't even back it up?
Well, I can see them.
It's old news, maybe.
I don't know.
They don't want to.
They don't want to.
They're going to do open hearings and... Potential witnesses that we might ask to come in in the future.
I strongly suggest that you come in and speak with us.
If we believe that you have something valuable to bring to the committee, if you don't voluntarily do it, I will assure you today, you will be compelled to do it.
I can compel you to come.
I can't compel you to talk.
We have days of making you talk, Mr. Steele.
The funny thing is they said they're going to get Twitter and Google and Facebook.
So who are they going to get?
The way these companies operate, I think Google's perfected this because they hate any kind of... Oversight?
They don't like any oversight.
They're going to send... I don't know if all of them will, but I know Google and probably Facebook.
Google for sure will send some stooge with a really fancy title who knows nothing.
Yeah.
And they'll be up there trying to, well, you know, the way the company operates, we don't want to do evil and, you know, just saying blathering crap that's meaningless.
This will be great.
It will be great.
Oh no, it's October 25th.
I've written it down.
I'm very excited about this meeting.
But notice how, notice how- It won't be Larry Page, let's put it that way.
But notice how they say, we have viz of making you talk, Mr. Steele.
And then it's, we've uh, well we've invited them, we hope they come to our little party, we've invited- Big, yeah, big fucker.
Suck off!
Um, and at this point it's very clear, the journos, they want to know about collusion, and these guys, their direction is already determined.
They're about the 2018 election, and what regulations they can put on facebag, you know, ads.
Yeah, what restrictions, ads, yes, yes.
They put this thing here, it's like, He makes the point, he says, we're going to make it clear that it was a foreign entity doing the advertising.
As soon as he said that, I'm thinking, oh, okay, so we're going to, so when Volkswagen advertises or Toyota advertises.
Trying to influence the American public into buying cars that are bad for the environment.
When they advertise, it's going to have to make it very clear it's a foreign entity.
Yeah.
This, and here's the counter argument to this to me is, Facebook is not a United States product.
It is an international product that appeals to everybody around the world.
They got way more users.
They got billions.
We don't have that many people in the country.
Most Facebook users are outside the country, and the same thing with Twitter, just to a lesser extent.
Although Facebook still has to answer the accusation that they are saying that their ads reach, I think it was like a hundred million more 18 to 34 year olds than are actually in America.
Anyway, back to the ads.
So again, Burr and Warner, they're only interested in how can we make sure that if we're going to have crappy ass ads against our people in the upcoming election that we know about it in advance.
Absolutely, because that's, you know, that's what they're saying.
So we can counter.
Yes!
I think if you look from 10,000 feet, the subject matter of the ads was, seems to have been to create chaos in every group that they could possibly identify in America.
I'm sorry?
What happened to Cambridge Analytica and all this?
Let us have the opportunity to have these folks in, ask them the questions.
In many cases, they didn't even take advantage of some of the most technical targeting tools that exist within those social...
I'm sorry.
What happened to Cambridge Analytica and all this?
Trump had the best data team, and they didn't even take advantage of buying, of using the tools that FaceBag and Google provide.
Hmm.
Media companies.
Yeah.
Sketchy.
Sketchy.
I would defer answering your question until we've completed the investigation.
Let me just add that I believe and I think you will see that there will be more forensics done by these companies.
Forensics?
When we just look at scale.
Why?
France versus the United States, for example, on one of the platforms.
Facebook, in terms of what happened.
I think they've got some more work to do and I'm And I'm pleased to say I think they are out doing that work now.
That's Warner again, the same guy.
He's just sucking up to him, you know?
Just sucking up to him.
Juror knows go back.
Well, how about this?
Was there collusion between the Trump campaign and the advertisers?
Are you pursuing the question of whether there's a link between the ads that appeared on social media sites and the Trump campaign?
Well, let me just say that... I'll let Mark address it if he'd like to.
If there was any connection, that would be pertinent to our investigation of Russia's influence in the elections.
We have had incredible access and cooperation by those social media companies that have been in.
Some of them have been interviewed twice.
At the end of the day, we'll be prepared to ask the right questions that may answer some of your questions at that open hearing.
But we also have to get the universe first.
I was concerned on the front end that the first pass Was not a thorough enough pass.
For example, I cited the fact that one entity that the only ads that were produced were those that were paid for in rubles.
Obviously, there are various forms of payment.
So I think I think the companies are increasingly understanding that their actions ...need to match their public statements that they realize how important it is to maintain the integrity of our democratic process.
I gotta tell you, I think that if... I think Zuckerberg might show up himself.
He might come to the hearing himself.
He's the only guy that can spin this story in the right way.
And, you know, throw out some technical jumbo.
Well, this is... I know exactly what you're saying, and I think you're probably right.
But I would bet money and I'll do it right now.
Five bucks.
All right, five bucks it is.
Do you want to give a name?
I can't give a name who's going to go up there because it's going to be someone I've never heard of.
But it's not going to be Zuckerberg.
He might even think the way you're thinking that he'd be great up there.
And then he's going to have his lawyers and everybody at Facebook is too much risk and they'll talk him out of it so you'll never hear from him.
It won't be Zuckerberg and you're going to owe me five bucks at the end of the day.
All right, all right.
Write it down.
Write it down.
What did these ads do?
That question was answered.
You just noted that Facebook, they say 10 million people saw their ads.
There was an information campaign waged against one candidate by the Russians.
And of course, they probed 21 states, perhaps more that we didn't catch.
So can you definitively look at the American public, Senator Byrd, and say that the election was not influenced in any way by this massive Russian operation?
Well, let me take issue with your premise of your question.
Neither Mark or I said that there was a campaign targeted against one.
We're looking at both campaigns.
Well, that's what the ICA has said.
The ICA did not look at collusion of the campaigns.
The ICA looked at Russian, let me finish, Russian involvement in the election process.
We're in agreement with that.
We have not come to any determination on collusion or Russia's preferences.
If we used solely the social media Advertising that we have seen.
There's no way that you can look at that and say that that was to help the right side of the ideological chart, and not the left, or vice versa.
They were indiscriminate.
One of the things that's most challenging to this investigation is, with the exception of certain pieces that have already been discussed, It seems that the overall theme of the Russian involvement in the U.S.
elections was to create chaos at every level.
And I would tell you the fact that we're sitting here nine months later investigating it, they have been pretty darn successful.
Yeah!
Yes, thanks to you and the mainstream media, you douchebags.
Yes, they've been very, very successful.
We finally got a little bit of interesting information about the people they've been interviewing from the Trump campaign.
When you hear how open it's been, it's also a little creepy.
We're very much in an exploratory mode trying to piece together What people did, where they were, who they talked to.
In most cases we have accessed email records, text messages, phone records.
You hear what he says?
In most cases we accessed, we accessed email messages, text messages, phone calls.
Because that's how easy it is.
You don't have to go tapping anybody.
Just call the NSA and say we want this, this, and this, and there it is.
In most cases we have accessed email records, text messages, phone records voluntarily.
Usually when you get something like that voluntarily, somebody's probably going to tell you the truth when they answer the questions.
But the reason that we can't definitively answer some of your questions today is we will take everything that our staff has put into transcripts and we will test that against every piece of intelligence and other interviews that we've done.
So, at this point, they're at the end, the journos are discussed, they got nothing.
Guy throws out, well, you know, how about the Jared, man?
Jared, the meeting, that was all collusion, wasn't it?
Is the Russian attorney gonna come through?
The Russian attorney met with Donald Trump Jr.
She's offered to come in open committee.
Have you reached out to her?
Is she one of the 25 on your list?
How do you know?
I didn't say you did.
Huh?
Oh, I'm sorry, that was in the clip.
Is she one of the 25 on your list?
How do you know?
I didn't say you did.
I'm asking.
Thank you.
He says, how do you know we didn't already talk to her, douchebag?
Nice one.
So they have absolutely nothing.
What they've discovered is, oh my gosh, people use Facebook to influence people's ideas and opinions, which is the nature of advertising.
And all they are is freaked out about the upcoming midterm elections.
They want to be able to see what the opposition is doing on Facebook.
They're afraid that they have some magic sauce.
They know how to do it, whether it was Russia or not.
And they don't care about the election.
They only care about the upcoming election.
You, uh, I think you've stumbled onto something.
Well, here's the, here is the, the, this is the crescendo conclusion.
Uh, and it was, it was kind of said in the press conference, but I'd rather play this bit from NPR Senator Klobuchar, who is, I think she's, Amy, I think she may be on the intelligence committee.
She wraps it all up and explains what is going to happen now.
Well, thanks, David.
It's great to be on.
And this is such a serious issue right now when you think the 2018 election is only 397 days away.
I knew you'd like to hear that.
But you think about our whole democracy is formed on this simple idea that we wanted to be self-governing, right?
And we didn't want to have foreign governments influencing us.
Well, now we've learned that $100,000 was spent in rubles for ads during the 2016 election.
And we haven't seen those ads.
We really want to see them.
The public does.
Intelligence officials have seen them.
But we think they should be released to the public.
And what our bill does, Senator Warner and I are working on this together.
Democratic colleague Mark Warner, yeah.
Exactly, and so what it does, and we're looking at different thresholds that are actually lower than the one you gave, but what it does is it says when these things happen, you've got to register them, you have to put them out publicly when you buy a political ad.
Now this is not about people posting cat videos if the cat talks about Donald Trump.
Citizens, don't worry about it.
You can still post how much you hate the president and how much you love your cat.
Don't worry citizens, just look over there.
In cat videos, if the cat talks about Donald Trump or Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi.
You're not worried about the cat video?
No.
What this is about is paid political advertising.
Just like broadcast or radio has.
So if I buy as a campaign a TV ad or I buy a radio ad, then it has to be publicly registered.
When the ad aired, who bought it, how much they bought.
I don't mean to interrupt you, but I'm really glad you brought up broadcasters, because are you basically saying that Facebook should be treated like a broadcaster?
Is that where we are?
They should be treated that way for paid ads, right?
Right!
Not for just content people posting, not for news, but for paid ads.
You know what?
I'm gonna do a video in a catsuit.
You just do all your political stuff in catsuit videos.
That's the way to do it.
I wonder if you're worried at all that this is a slippery slope.
No!
If you start regulating parts of The internet.
I mean, the internet and freedom of the internet, it feels so democratic in many ways.
So gooey!
The internet feels so democratic, John, in many ways.
Don't you agree?
It just feels so lusciously democratic.
This is not gonna fly, but go on.
The internet.
I mean, the internet and freedom of the internet, it feels so democratic in many ways.
Yeah, that's what I was just waiting for that question.
Because of course we are not regulating news postings.
We are not regulating when you post your kid's birthday party or you decide you're mad about the energy policy about the Trump administration and you do a video yourself and you put it up.
None of that will be regulated.
These are paid ads.
Paid ads, just like we see on TV when you see the disclaimer, I paid for this message.
That's what we're talking about.
Paid ads.
But there are 1.4 billion.
A lot of things you see on Facebook or Twitter or Google that maybe you don't think are paid, they are paid ads.
And I think that people have a right to know, when we have elections, where so much dark money is being spent undercover, that we have a right to know what's being spent.
And we, as citizens, have a right to know that we're not being duped.
I want to make sure I understand you correctly.
Did you say that some of the financial burden for paying for this new enforcement would be coming from the companies?
Well, of course.
They are going to have to.
Of course.
You know, I come from the state of Target.
If they can find one shoe in... Minnesota, we should say.
Okay, yeah, okay.
If they can find, because of a SKU number, some shoe that's in Hawaii, you know, I think that these guys who are able in other elections in Germany to not have political ads, they have to, because of their law in Germany, that say you can't have Nazi political ads, right?
They are able to, in the French election, because they have different laws go through and make sure that certain things that violate the law aren't on there, they are able to do this in other countries.
Why in the own country that they're based in can't they do this?
To me, with all of the technology and all of the brilliance we have at these companies, they can do this.
They can make sure that paid political ads, which is a subsection of the postings they have, that they don't violate our law.
And all we're asking them to do is register those political ads.
You said it's not going to fly?
Oh no, no way it's going to fly.
A couple reasons.
One, of course, is the broadcasters aren't going to put up with it because it's too much work.
You've got to register these ads.
You've got to put the date and time you ran them.
Some of these things are just run as, you know, as needed.
Fillers!
Fillers!
Yeah, you've got some time and, you know, three in the morning, you know, what are we going to do?
Algos do that.
And so you end up with a lot of paperwork that you don't need, and then you have to decide whether it's a political ad or not a political ad.
If you're bitching about the slow times on the BART stations in the Bay Area, and you want them to put more cars in place, and you put an ad out, is that a political ad?
And if it's not a political ad, if it isn't, you have to go through a hassle, which nobody's going to put up with, so there's going to be a lot of pushback by the networks, and they don't put up with a lot of stuff.
Uh, the other thing is, is if it is a political ad, or let's just say it's not a political ad.
No, it's not a political ad.
It's just an ad about the local problems.
Well, all the ads that ran on Facebook were from Secure Borders.
This company, this bogus company, Secure Borders.
Those ads weren't about who to vote for.
No.
They were all about building the wall.
Yeah.
Build the wall!
So it's like, you know, this is a nightmare.
It's not going to happen.
These guys are so horny about this.
And then they keep bringing up the ludicrous part.
Oh, they spent $100,000, a whole $100,000 that twisted the election.
Here's what I was going to say earlier, and this is what I think the problem is.
It's a funny problem and you'll get a kick out of it too.
Okay.
I believe that this entire intelligence committee, intelligence being the operative word, actually thinks That social media is a better way to sell things and it actually works.
Yes.
Because they're kind of buying it.
Yes, yes!
That's why they want to control it.
Because they think it works.
You're like, oh my god, $100,000 turned the election.
Wow!
As if!
As if the $100,000 did anything.
Bonanza!
Or as if those ads did anything.
I think they looked down there kind of funny.
Made anybody vote for them.
I think you nailed it.
That's exactly the like...
Holy crap!
My war chest for this election is a million.
That's ten times what the Russians spent on throwing it to Trump!
I'm in!
I'm a shoo-in!
Now what this- It's unbelievable stupidity.
What this has- It's the naivety.
They've actually bought the Silicon Valley arguments.
Well- About targets.
I think you will love this next bit.
Because we have a term now, and this term is MADCOM.
Have you heard of this acronym yet?
MADCOM?
I have heard it, I think, but I don't know the reference.
Machine Driven Communications.
Oh, I don't know.
I don't know.
Oh, baby.
Now, the Atlantic Council is pushing this.
The Atlantic Council is big.
I mean, they, correct me if I'm wrong, they influence a lot of policy.
That's what they're for.
Yes, one of the biggest drinking clubs.
Right.
Well, they have put out a brochure, which is in the show notes, 971.noagendanotes.com, The MADCOM Future, How Artificial Intelligence Will Enhance Computational Propaganda, Reprogram Human Culture, and Threaten Democracy, and What Can Be Done About It.
This is dynamite.
I read this for fun.
10 years from now, you won't be able to tell whether you're interacting with a human online or not.
In the future, most online speech and content will be machines talking to machines.
Machines talking to humans, talking to machines, talking to machines.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
It's a great report.
I just wanted to point out the term MADCOM.
I believe Wolf Blitzer will be saying this incessantly within the next few months.
MADCOM.
But we heard about the MADCOM, the MADCOM, MADCOM.
It's a good term to say.
MADCOM.
Oh, MADCOM.
It makes you sound like you're in the know.
Yeah, hey, well, obviously we have this MADCOM problem that really is an issue with the face masks.
Now, you thought it was nuts here?
And since we have a short break, I think I can play these clips because you'll like them because this is CBC, our friends up there from the Dollarettes.
Um, and they did, uh, they brought in their tech millennial.
This is a Sunday, so I figured we'd do some tech, tech news.
They brought in a tech millennial to explain how this happened with these Facebook ads.
And you can only imagine he's going to explain the algos to us, but he also uses the word right a lot.
So I think, even though I have, you know, two clips of equal length, I think you'll, you'll enjoy it.
During breaking news, the likes of which we've been covering this week, more and more people turn to search engines and to social media to help them sort out the story.
What happens when those search engines, when Google and Facebook, lead people astray?
Take a look at these.
Examples of the fake posts circulating on the internet after the Vegas shooting, misidentifying the gunman, misidentifying victims.
The question is, how does that happen?
How do stories like that, how do they rise to the surface, and what are the consequences of that?
Okay, so we had fake news, as I said, about victims, about who the shooter was, of course, later identified.
Basically, they were wrong.
They were incorrect, and there were two cases that I think are kind of worth highlighting in this context.
So in one case, we had Google, right?
People going to Google and searching for information about possible sort of, you know, identities of the shooter.
And there was one name that had sort of emerged early on that people had sort of believed might have been responsible.
And so they were going to Google.
They were searching for this name.
And instead of coming up with, you know, a link to CBC or CNN or NBC or some sort of reputable news site.
Because the reputable news site.
I mean, why would you go anywhere else on the Internet?
Come to the reputable.
Being sent to a essentially a sort of dark forum of the Internet, right, where hoaxes and misinformation is often spread.
A place called 4chan, where people were discussing the identity of one of the believed, sort of, you know, one of the names of someone who later proved to not be the shooter.
And that was one example there.
And then on Facebook, Facebook has a feature called safety check, right?
People get a safety check, often in times of disasters and other sorts of events.
And alongside safety check, they show news stories, right?
News stories that are supposed to provide context about what's happening.
And in this case, Facebook was also pulling in misinformation, pulling in sort of hyper-partisan news stories, pulling in far-right sort of news sources, also things that were misidentifying victims and the shooter and things like that.
So this was coming from trolls, either propaganda reasons, either pulling pranks, whatever.
Their false information was popping up right at the top of these screens.
Facebook and Google.
You see, they're not doing it right.
When you have the check-in to see if you're okay, then you need to bring in news from CBC and NBC and, you know, right?
And all of the good guys, right?
Right?
Right?
Right.
Do you want to hear another clip from him?
Right.
Yeah, well, I like this guy.
How does that happen, that the fake stuff gets to the top of our attention?
Yeah, so both of these services rely on algorithms, basically complex systems of code, right?
That helps sort... Right!
Hold on a second.
What's an algorithm?
Answer?
Basically complex systems of code, right?
Right.
If you want to... I just got to rehearse that.
Try it on me.
Try it on me.
Uh, I don't know what the lead-in was.
What's an algo?
I was mesmerized by this back and forth.
What's an algo?
How do these things, how do these things... I forgot.
...come to the top of what's presented to us?
Well, it's basically an aggregation of a whole bunch of complicated code, right?
Oh, I see.
Well, that makes sense.
How does that happen that the fake stuff gets to the top of our attention?
Troll code!
Yeah.
So, both of these services rely on algorithms, basically complex systems of code, right, that help sort through all of the different sources of news and information across the internet and figure out kind of what to surface, right?
What's the most important thing to kind of put at the top of people's search results or, you know, at the top of people's Facebook pages?
And the reason they use these algorithms, right, is because there's just so much on the internet, right, that they say, you know... He said it in the middle of a sentence.
But it's a contradiction.
It's even better.
The reason they use these algorithms right, is not even a proper use of right.
Because it's not asking for an affirmation.
He's just throwing it in.
I know.
He's just right, throwing right in.
Right in.
Off of people's search results or, you know, at the top of people's Facebook pages.
And the reason they use these algorithms right is because they're just... It's like, it's Tourette's.
And the reason I'm going to the school, right, is because I have to do the right thing.
And the reason they use these algorithms, right, is because there's just so much on the internet, right, that they say, you know, it's impossible for humans to kind of sift through it all.
And they kind of have a point, right?
There's just so much there that you would need thousands, if not more.
I can't take it anymore.
Yes, you can.
You can do it.
The guy uses right three times within one sentence.
He'll even say wrong and right after each other.
Can you just please?
I get so much fun and joy from this.
Can you handle it?
If I cut it off, it's gonna be good.
It's done for good.
Please.
for humans to kind of sift through it all.
And they kind of have a point, right?
There's just so much there that you would need thousands, if not more, you know, armies of humans to actually sort through it.
And so they've turned to these algorithms to sort of make a lot of those choices, right?
And what we see in these cases is that oftentimes they can be wrong, right?
They can be wrong, right?
Okay, that's what you were saying, right?
Okay, I get it.
It doesn't stop there, right?
Right, and what we see in these cases is that oftentimes they can be wrong, right?
Yeah, the algorithms fail.
They fail, and that's exactly what happened in this case, right, where, you know, Google basically said, you know, they rely on a bunch of different signals, right, that determine what gets placed into that top stories box, right?
You know, it depends on things like how many people are searching for a particular keyword, the authoritativeness of the actual news source, right, the freshness Jeez.
Ladies, please stop squeezing the sources!
And in this case, it was a confluence of signals, in particular that sort of freshness that somehow managed to surface 4chan, which... No agenda show, now with more freshness.
...is sort of the polar opposite of what you should be sort of sourcing as a new source.
It was putting it in that sort of box, which kind of makes you wonder, well, why wasn't that something that perhaps was more proactively identified as something that should never, ever appear in that box as a digger?
Oh my gosh, this guy's full of crap!
You know, he reminds me of an athlete.
A certain type of dumb athlete, you hear him.
They pepper everything with, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know.
That is today's you know.
It's the same thing.
It's a filler.
Stop word.
We used to call it a stop word.
A stop word.
To give you a moment to think.
He doesn't give you a moment to think.
He puts a stop word in the middle of a sentence.
Oh, man, I shouldn't have smoked weed before the show.
Yeah, probably not.
There's more.
I mean, he does a pretty good job of explaining.
No, no, no, it's done.
Can I just explain?
Okay, 29 seconds where he explains what has to be done.
So he explains how... It's not going to be interesting.
He doesn't know what he's talking about.
Taming the trolls, perhaps.
Taming the trolls!
So we'll watch that.
Matthew, thank you.
I really appreciate your coming in here in studio.
And there's more online about this because Matthew's been thinking on and writing about this.
That was a fail.
Damn it.
Okay, good.
That was a Dvorak fail.
It's a cosmic event.
I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda.
Imagine all the people who could do that.
Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
Yeah, we do have a few people to thank for the show.
What is this?
971, sir, yes.
971.
Dame Beth at the top of the list.
She's the Baroness of Baja Arizona.
Yep.
She says, Heil Gents, this month marks my fourth year on the Lido deck of the USS No Agenda.
Nice!
Congratulations, Dame Beth.
That's great, yeah.
Sir Torialta of Slenoma, which is in Glen Ell in California, where Jack London once resided, 101-11.
Thank you very much.
An interim donation, he called it.
Good.
Sir Richard Moffat came in with $101.01.
He also sent a note in about...
Something that we didn't, we failed, there was a fail somewhere back when he was complaining that we didn't tell him whether a check went through or something.
I guess I missed it.
It's probably me, my fault.
We're sorry.
John Robineau, $100.
Lon Baker, $100.
Christopher Dolan in Cambridge, Massachusetts, nuts.
Sir, sir.
Sir Christopher Dolan.
Sir Christopher Dolan.
He comes in like every show.
I know.
And I can't remember Ibu's last show because he called me on my Sir Christopher blunder.
Tony Andrees in Iowa City, Iowa, 90-90.
Mark Hall in Austin, Texas, right down the street from me.
Hey, that's our big time Hollywood producer, Mark Hall.
Yeah, Mark Hall.
This is a show once in a while.
What does he say?
What does he say?
Hey Adam and John, excellent analysis on NA these days.
I've got a belated request.
Could you please turbo de-douche filmmaker Spike Lee for the health of the planet?
He is the douchiest person I've ever met.
So why would you be de-douching him?
He wants a douche bag.
No, he says de-douche.
Well, why does he want a de-douche?
Turbo de-douche?
That's what he said.
It was specifically what he said.
Well, I'm going to turbo de-douche him then.
You've been de-douched.
I guess he met Spike Lee and thought he was a douchebag.
Okay.
Do you have this person's name or something?
Bernhard blah blah blah?
I can't get it.
It's a Swiss name with a bunch of characters in it that just obliterate his name.
I would say...
Maybe Reinhardt?
Renardo?
Bernhardt's Grave?
Gritter?
It's impossible.
Sorry, man.
We apologize profusely, but we do thank you.
$75.
We're literally seeing R-E-N capital A with a line over it, a squiggly F, an A with an accent, a circumflex, a copyright sign.
I mean, who has a name like that?
Bernard's Grrr, and then another A with a line, another squiggly F, then another, these are all umlauts I'm sure, A with a circumflex, then a quarter, a quarter, one slash four T-T-E-R.
But I'm gonna put in the chat room and then, you know, those guys are smart.
I bet you there's a way to reverse-engineer that pretty easily.
Maybe.
Go ahead, chat room.
Chris Beggio in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
73, 73, 73 is to you.
73 is to you, Kilo 5 Alpha Charlie Charlie.
Does he have his call sign?
Yes.
K9 Cab.
K9, call me a cab.
K9, C-A-B.
Got it.
John Tirada, 69, 69.
Joshua Schmidt.
69, 69.
Great show, he says.
Sir Wokwok.
55, 55.
Eric Scholls in Dallas, Texas.
Double nickels on the dime.
And he says, uh, great show.
Oh no, that's the other guy.
Sir Wokwok.
Eric Scholls says greatest podcast in the universe.
That's what he says.
Uh, Chad Rickman or Reichman, Rickman or Reichman in tech.
Michigan.
Oh, he needs to de-douche him because it's his first donation.
You've been de-douched.
Sir Payne in the ass, otherwise known as Kevin Payne, 5432 in Richmond, Virginia.
Stephen Smith, 5353 in someplace in Tennessee.
Probably Murfreesboro.
Ron Woodbury, 5150, David Retterer in Evergreen, Colorado.
$50.99.
Sir Trent Wabbus, the rascally wabbit.
$50.11.
The following people are $50 donors and that wraps it up.
Name and location.
Mary Crainzel in Ipswich, Massachusetts.
Larry Hay in Mooresville, North Carolina.
Joshua Lacey in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma.
Another great name for a town.
Richard Chow, Parts Unknown.
Sir Richard Chow.
Caleb Kniffen.
Niffen or Kniffen in Grain Valley, Missouri.
50.
Gene Ablin in Sonora, California.
Jonathan Mayer in Xenia, Ohio.
David Schlesinger in Rosemont, Illinois.
Edward Mazurik in Memphis, Tennessee.
Tim Abel in Burgfield, Berkshire, UK.
Brian Matthews in Belbrigan, Ireland.
You need more Irish.
Rain shadow, rain shadow.
Parts unknown.
Private pilot, CIA says.
Could be.
How about more than 50?
Kyle, you know, some of the stolen money would be good.
Kyle Meyer in Atlanta, Georgia.
Robert Witcher in Tampa, Florida.
And last but not least, Frank Molinari in Bolvard, Texas.
I want to thank all these folks for helping produce this show.
971, 29 away from 1000.
Yes, and the preliminary answer to the puzzle is possibly Rene Berhans-Greter.
Could be.
That could be it.
Well, we'll find out.
Well, thank you.
Thank you very much for supporting the program, everyone, over $50 or more.
Under that is typically for reasons of anonymity, but also we continuously ask in the newsletter, which you need to sign up for, any one of our show notes pages, you know, noagendashow.com.
It's seanhannity.com.
We have a link to the newsletter.
Sign up for that.
It's good.
And you can get on some of those subscriptions.
We have special events, all kinds of stuff in the newsletter.
And the literary stylings of yours truly, John C. Dvorak.
And, Rain Shadow, Rain Shadow, I want to read his note.
It says, he's talking about Patek.
He says, Private Pilot, CIA, Gun Runner, Gambling, Money Travel, Murder, Gambling, Slash, Gun Deals.
It was unusual for Steve, except this buyer had their own plan.
Undone.
Yep.
That is not too far from what we're thinking.
That's clear, exactly.
And another show coming up on Thursday.
Again, we're just doing the work here, so you don't have to, but watch a lot of C-SPAN, pretty boring stuff, and I think we deliver more value than you get anywhere else, so consider us at... And there's no birthdays, and there's no title changes, no nightings.
I will do a jobs card.
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs.
You've got karma.
Are you going to the big Illuminati festival? - I don't know.
I didn't know there was one.
Oh man.
I didn't get my invite.
Oh, well, you're one of the few.
Is it the Builder Burgers?
No, this is the...
The big web conference in Portugal, in Lisbon.
Yeah.
Let me just see, what's the title of it?
The Web Summit.
The Web Summit, quote unquote, the largest tech conference in the world.
You want to hear who's going to be there?
Not the largest tech conference in the world.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
No, this is, that's why it's the Illuminati.
They're all there.
You want to, ow, damn it.
What did you do?
Yeah, they're apparently in your office.
They're beating you.
Same thing that happened last time.
My mic came off in my hands.
Why are you holding the mic in your hands?
Habit.
Okay.
Margareth Verstager, the European Commissioner from Denmark.
There will be Stuart Butterfield from Slack.
Al Gore.
Steve Huffman from Reddit.
Antonio Guterres, the Secretary General of the United Nations.
CEO of... What do they know?
What do any of these people you've mentioned so far know about?
Nothing!
But it gets better.
Wait until I get to the real names.
These are just the headliners.
The CTO of Amazon, Werner Vogels.
CEO of Oracle.
Co-founder of Tinder.
President and CEO of Booking.com.
François Hollande.
Brad Smith of Microsoft.
Caitlyn Jenner, here we go, Kara Swisher, Jared Cohen from Google, the chairman CEO of Ogilvy, of Revolution, the CSO of Uber, Sophia Bush of The Girl Project.
John, it is everybody except us.
It's uncanny.
I'm scrolling through this list.
You want these two podcasters to be invited?
Well, no!
Bob Greenberg, RGA, Young & Rubicam, Saussure General, Rosaria Dawson.
They're throwing in all kinds of celebrities.
Let me see this.
Goalkeeper for Brazil, Julio Cesar.
Goalkeeper on a soccer team?
Yes, yes.
Steve Blank from Stanford, professor.
BBC Sport Directors, Terrell Owens.
Tyrell Owens?
Uh-huh.
The NFL guy who's always bitchin'?
Yes, yes, yes.
What has he got to do with this, anything about him winning?
And hold on, Anna Kasparian, host of the Young Turks, she gets to go.
The CEO of GoDaddy.
Um, but I'm telling you, this is, it's endless.
Everybody wants their picture on this wall, I guess.
The CMO of Hilton Hotel.
Let's see some more, some of these celebretties.
It's just incredible.
Well, it sounds like a lot of B-listers.
Z Frank is gonna be there, and we're still not invited.
Who's Z Frank?
Remember that guy, Z Frank?
Z Frank, he was a very popular video style, but he started with the editing really fast.
Oh, with the Joey Frederick thing?
Yeah, Z Frank.
He did that?
Yeah, that was him.
Yeah.
Well, it's a plague.
It's... I can't believe we weren't invited.
Well...
It's one of those many things we don't get invited to.
You wouldn't even know he had a podcast.
Well, there's that.
Let alone the best podcast in the universe.
Yeah.
All right.
So I got a couple of take us out of here clips.
Yeah.
Let's start with this was a good to me was a great story because this is a classic.
Classic story that you hear, local stories that should get on the national news to be made more fun of, but play man released from prison by accident.
A convicted felon released from a Santa Clara County jail by mistake had a week of freedom before he was recaptured.
31-year-old David Lopez got eight years for pistol-whipping a robbery victim.
He was arrested today after posting selfies of his trip to a San Jose mall on Instagram.
No, man.
Come on.
Story of the day.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Wait, I got a story of the day off with you here.
It is Charlie Rose on the CBS This Morning show.
Several passengers suffered broken bones after their plane encountered severe turbulence.
Video shows people injured on the floor of the Aeroflot plane.
Concerns.
day shortly before the Boeing 777 landed in Thailand.
At least 27 were hurt.
The airline confirms the incident was the result of clear air turbulence, the most difficult type to detect.
New research suggests transatlantic turbulence could become up to three times worse in the coming decades.
Mark Strassman is at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport with those concerns.
Mark, good morning.
Hello.
Good morning.
For nervous flyers, nothing about this research is reassuring.
Clear air turbulence strikes without warning, and because of climate change, could get worse.
The science is in!
Okay, for pure irony, yours is a better story.
It's not as funny as mine.
It's one of those groaners.
Okay.
Yeah, I agree.
Oh, by the way, I was going through some old clips.
I found two whoopee clips that we've never used.
I don't believe.
Oh, my.
Okay.
Now, I got one.
One of them is that I think you can use just an ISO clip.
Maybe we played it before, but I think it fits in.
You'll see why that's funny.
It fits in well with a couple of other whoopee clips that we've saved.
Let's try this.
Whoopee as many things as we can.
As many other things as we can stick in here.
I think there's a combo.
Hold on.
Alright.
We can do a combo clip.
Let's see.
Here we go.
As many other things as we can stick in here.
Get out of my vagina!
Yeah, I think it works.
It doesn't work as well as I thought.
Can this bitch run the country?
Now that one...
It was said in January of 2016 when Hillary was running and she makes this comment.
And I'm thinking, why did they jump all over her?
This is very disrespectful.
Yeah.
Don't you think?
Yeah.
Yeah, let me listen again.
Can this bitch run the country?
I like it.
You know where I'm putting it.
Uh, apparently where you can stick many things?
That's correct.
You know, I'm always looking for the Armageddon.
The signs of Armageddon to you with your cycles and, you know, that book one day is going to be great, in hindsight.
It's like, here's what happened.
This is a promo.
I love the tiny house shows.
Yeah, I know.
We talked about him.
But this promo just kind of exemplifies... By the way, before you go on, I find him disturbing.
Yeah, I know.
I know you do, and that's why you'll like this promo.
I'm Sam Fox.
And I'm Sean Stellar.
We're professional tiny livers.
We've lived on a boat in crew quarters.
We've lived in a trailer.
We've lived in a tiny studio in San Diego.
Now we're going to live in a container.
Progress.
Now we're going to live in a container.
Did she say her name was Sam Fuck?
Let me see.
I'm Sam Fox.
Sam Fox.
You sure?
Yeah, no, I'm not sure.
But I do have an Armageddon-like, I think I know the answer, but Armageddon-like question for you regarding the jobs number report.
We never really talk about it, but when you hear the magic numbers, you got to bring it up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Glad you got it.
The big story of the day, the U.S.
economy losing jobs in September for the first time since 2010.
The economy lost 33,000 jobs.
The unemployment rate, meantime, fell to a new post-crisis low of 4.2%.
This report is putting Wall Street's record-breaking rally on hold, at least for now.
For a deeper dive on these numbers, we're joined by Yahoo Finance's Miles Udlin and Justine Underhill.
So guys, you had a chance to parse through this report.
First off, how's the market reacting so far?
Um, you know, it's a little bit muted and, you know, stocks are down a little bit.
But we've seen the bond market take this report, I'd say, fairly seriously, considering the distortions that are very obvious in the headline number, the way the hurricane impacted this report.
The bond market is mostly looking at that wages number and saying the economy and the labor market continue to strengthen.
It means it's, you know, just as likely as it was yesterday.
The Fed will raise rates in December.
So really the big story is that despite a couple of weird numbers, the market is looking at this report and saying, you know, We think the economy is about where we thought it was yesterday.
So Justine, was it really all about the hurricanes that had that impact, this negative number we're seeing?
The BLS said that the hurricanes were a huge impact.
I would say that this payrolls number though, this headline number, is pretty much a head fake because everything else in the report was very strong.
We had unemployment fall to the post-crisis low.
We also had wage growth go up and it was revised higher in August as well to 2.7 percent.
That's important.
And then also, labor force participation rate increased to 63%.
So overall, this is pretty good news.
So wage growth is showing an increase, labor participation showing an increase.
So you just said it a minute ago, you believe it's pretty much a likely done deal that the Fed's going to hike rates in December.
I'll tell you that just based on the offhand reports on the M5M news media, it'd be like, ah, see, we're in the tank, it's the crapper, first negative jobs, you know, Trump, Trump, Trump.
But the beauty of this report, the way I saw it, is what we always talk about.
Labor participation rate means that there's more people looking for work.
They may still be out of work, but they're looking for work.
So that increase, probably there were 33, magic number.
God knows why, other than signaling that's bull crap.
Here's the problem with the entire report.
I don't know why this hostess, or whatever she is, doesn't point this out.
If the labor participation rate goes up, And the employment goes down, the unemployment number has to therefore go up, not down!
Right.
And it went down.
It went down.
How does that work?
Yeah.
I'd like to know how they could explain that to me.
That's the first question I'd ask.
I'd say, can you explain this to me?
Why that number went down when all the other numbers would make it go up?
Yeah.
No explanation.
But, I don't know.
It's bogus!
That's why the whole thing is bullcrap.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yes.
Maybe the 33 is the reason.
We have many theories what the 33 is about.
You don't need to send them.
Yeah, we've already been inundated.
We already know everything about 33 that anyone could possibly know.
But all we know is whenever 33 shows up... It is a code.
It's some form of code.
All we can discern is it's probably the means of story's bullcrap.
Or it means that whatever was initiated is now... In play.
Ended.
I mean, there is an old...
Old Western Union Code 33 that I looked at because I was thinking, you know, in old form of journalism, when people used to type their stories out and submit them to the copy, copy boy, the guy, yay, the copy boy, they ended the story would end with 30.
That's the dash three zero dash is the old fashioned way of using instead of writing end.
You'd ride 30.
That means the story was done.
And that came from the old teletype.
The telegraph codes from the 1850s, 1860s.
If you look at a thing called 95 codes, it got some name.
I do know that the 10 codes, you know, 10-4.
Yeah, those are new though.
This is very old.
Well, 10-33 is an emergency.
All units stand by.
10-33.
Yes, 10-33 is an emergency.
10-33, all units stand by.
by 1033.
Yes, 1033 is an emergency.
1033, are you going to stand by?
Yeah, just like that.
All right, well, onward to the next clip.
I've got one that I thought was a little obscure.
Oh, by the way, the Benghazi trial... Do you have a Benghazi trial clip?
Yeah.
I have an... I've got three clips I can play.
You tell me what you want.
Australian amnesty, guns collected.
I'd like to play this clip so I can do the same complaint I made about five years ago on this show.
Oh, well, let's do that then.
I'd love nothing but repetition.
Yes.
Australia today ended a three-month amnesty for turning in illegal firearms.
The government said the public turned in 51,000 weapons to be destroyed.
And Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says that the country's gun laws have prevented mass killings.
Australia enacted strict curbs after a gunman killed 35 people in Tasmania back in 1996.
Okay, so here's my question I've asked it before five years ago.
Why do they have to be destroyed?
Why don't they give them over to a gunsmith, have them refurbished, which would employ a number of people, have these guns refurbished, and then give them to law enforcement, who's always complaining that they don't have enough guns, or their guns are not as good as the other guy's guns.
And so everyone grabs all these guns, and then they mash them up with a steamroller.
What about refurbishing them?
Gunsmiths can do that, and there's lots of them around, and it'll give them something to do.
Why are you throwing the perfectly good gun away?
Because they're evil.
They kill people.
It makes you feel good to know they've been destroyed.
Done.
This is just nonsense.
Done.
It's stupid.
It's absolutely stupid.
Meanwhile, this one of the major networks played this girls and guns little package and I thought it was... I thought it was a...
odd in this circumstance because you play it and then I'll talk about it.
As America searches for answers after another mass shooting, one thing is clear.
The gun business appears stronger than ever.
Nearly four million rifles were produced in the U.S. in 2015, up more than 150 percent from a decade earlier.
Mark Strassman met some new customers.
In the hills of western Kentucky, Eve Haney fires an AR-15.
Haney's a 62-year-old grandmother from Tallahassee, Florida.
She's competing in a shooting match organized by A Girl and a Gun, a national group of female gun enthusiasts.
I didn't realize how competitive I was, but I am.
I like to see my scores, and I like to hear the ping, ping, ping of the steel.
57-year-old Dr. Laura Torres-Reyes is a retired Air Force colonel.
42-year-old Robin Sandoval is a mother of three from Austin, Texas.
Is it more fun than empowering or empowering than fun?
I think it all makes sense.
Empowering is fun.
But all of them used to hate guns.
Were you scared of them?
I was petrified of them.
I didn't want them in the house.
I didn't want them at home.
For Sandoval, the turning point was Hurricane Katrina.
First responders were unable to respond and families were kind of left on their own.
I wanted to be my children's first responder.
I wanted to protect them.
This AR is my favorite AR.
It's easy to use.
It's easy.
It is.
But the AR-15 is no ordinary gun.
A descendant of the M16 designed for U.S.
soldiers in Vietnam.
Now wildly popular among U.S.
civilian gun owners, who own an estimated 5 to 10 million of them.
The AR-15 has also become the weapon of choice for many homicidal loners.
In Las Vegas this week, gunman Steven Paddock modified his AR-15s into a weapon that behaved like fully automatic assault rifles.
When you first heard about Vegas, what went through your minds?
This man chose a horrible thing to do.
It's on him.
How do you get into the head of someone that's that insane?
I just can't even, I can't even go there.
Do you think there should be general civilian access?
I do.
Because it's our right.
It's our Second Amendment right.
It really goes down to that.
I like having access to my AR.
We have one for home defense.
Is it a legitimate question to ask whether there's a need for that?
It is absolutely a legitimate question.
And I think that's, you know, in terms of debate and speech, we need to talk about these things.
None of them knew how to protect society from killers armed with AR-15s.
Striking that balance has been the most elusive target in America's gun rights debate.
What did he say at the very end there?
It's an elusive target.
Oh.
Now, there was an interesting group, these women were old, old, kind of old women, but the one that didn't have the patois or the southern accent was black.
And she actually, she sounded like she just had a neutral accent, not a black accent or anything else.
And she was the one who talked about the Second Amendment.
And I'm reminded when I watch these sorts of things of Tavis Smiley and the clip that we have of him going on about how important it is that black people should be armed to the teeth.
Yeah.
Because they're the ones that are under the gun, as it were, just as in a day-to-day situation in their own neighborhood.
It's not because the cops are trying to shoot them, but because other blacks are trying to shoot them, and they should take advantage of their rights.
And then I hear that sort of discussion, which makes some sense, and then I hear all these anti-gun people, like these women apparently were before they joined Guns N' Girls, and they all were afraid of these weapons.
It's just an interesting situation we've got going on.
It's two dimensions, it's pretty blatant.
I have a clip that I've been holding for a couple of shows, just haven't gotten to it, so I do want to play it today.
It's something else we're always on the lookout for as the war on cash is into acceleration mode in the UK.
New technology is paving the way towards a totally cashless future.
Electronic money transfers between banks will soon be finalised in less than a minute.
Adrian Lovny, Chief Executive of the New Payments Platform, an initiative set up by Australian banks to build the technology, says funds will arrive in the recipient's bank in as little as 30 seconds.
We're putting in place a new system which will sit alongside the old system which will make payments move instantly between bank accounts and that'll happen 24-7, 365.
Under the new system, customers will be able to transfer money between two separate financial institutions in real time.
The new payment platform system acts like a secure network between two separate banks, for example, National Australia Bank and Commonwealth Bank.
Mr Lovney says the new technology will allow messages to be sent in real time, which allows funds to be sent instantly.
So the current system that we're using today is about 50 years old and it was designed around the principle of tape exchanges and transactions were stored until a certain time and then physically those transactions moved in a batch to the receiver's bank and we're speeding that process up so it's instantaneous settlement so it meets the needs of consumers in today's digital economy.
Currently, the funds go through a lengthy settlement process overseen by the Reserve Bank.
Transferring money from one financial institution to another can take between two to five days.
Associate Professor of Finance Eliza Wu from the University of Sydney says it's a strategic move from the banks.
I mislabeled this, obviously.
It's Australia, not the UK.
Almost done.
The last bit is worth listening to.
There's been a decline in the use of ATMs to withdraw cash anyway, so it's a small saving in order to win some brownie points back with their financial consumers.
The new technology has also raised security concerns.
Banks are ensuring they're doing extra to protect their customers from fraud.
While some finance experts are predicting a cashless society by 2020, Professor Wu believes cash will still be in the wallets of some.
For the reason that cash is still preferred to be used by certain segments of the population, particularly the older generation.
But the use of electronic payment methods, those tap and go cards and credit and debit cards, that's highly preferred by particularly people in their 30s and 40s and of course the younger people.
But in the older generations, they would still prefer to use cash for a lot of their transactions.
The changes take effect next year.
So they're really pushing this forward very, very, very hard.
Well, I like the idea that the cash is preferred by olders.
Elders would include us.
Yeah, right.
And it's like, well, once those guys are gone and we got it made, you know, I just want to put way in advance.
I don't like using this phrase because we kind of banned it from the show, but I'm going to do it in advance to the youngers who buy into this crap.
We told you so.
Because it's not, it just makes no sense.
What happens when the, and everyone's first, how does this work?
You've got people complaining about the grid going down.
Yeah.
And oh, we're under threat by the Russians and the North Koreans and you're talking about EMPs and all the rest of it.
EMP?
You're broke!
Yeah, you're done.
Goodbye.
Same goes for Bitcoin, by the way.
Yes, exactly.
Oh, I did want to launch just a minor initiative if someone's interested.
I've now concluded that the actual answer for the No Agenda Show is we should have a derivative of Ethereum, not for money, but to use it for really connecting our entire ecosystem.
Because I've been reading up, and this is really outrageously cool, how you can have even your own DNS running.
You can have links, articles, attachments, directory of who's a member of our chain, because it's just a blockchain.
If someone would do that, I think that would be very... Also, tie in all of our disparate websites.
And it's something that can kind of be killed off, so it would be nice.
Once it works, it works.
As long as there's still people.
So that was just a dream of mine.
I was moaning and groaning in my sleep.
Yeah.
I've heard that about you.
All right.
Well, I have one last clip, which is just to catch us up on something no one's talking about, which is they're actually having a trial about Benghazi.
They snagged some guy in Libya and put him on an aircraft carrier and dragged him to the United States.
All of this seems like very sketchy to me that you can do this, but we do it.
On the night of September 11, 2012, Islamist militants staged a deadly attack on the U.S.
compound in Benghazi, Libya.
Five years later, the only suspect charged in the attack, a 46-year-old Libyan, is on trial in Washington, D.C.
Here's justice reporter Paula Reid.
The wave of assaults lasted through the night.
By the next morning, four Americans were dead.
Ambassador Christopher Stevens, Sean Smith, Tyrone Woods, and Glenn Doherty.
An FBI investigation zeroed in on Ahmed Abu Qatala, the leader of the extremist militia group who carried out the deadly attack.
He was captured in Libya three years ago by U.S.
Special Forces and whisked aboard a U.S.
naval warship where he was questioned by the FBI and U.S.
intelligence.
13 days after he was apprehended, he arrived in Washington under heavy security.
Abu Qatala's lawyers have raised objections to the jury hearing what he said during his interrogation.
But the judge in the case has ruled that his treatment was humane and he voluntarily waived his right to remain silent.
Defense attorney Edward McMahon represented 9-11 co-conspirator Zacharias Moussaoui.
He says the first challenge for defense attorneys will be finding jurors with an open mind.
You don't have to be an empty vessel to be a juror in a terrorism case.
You just have to say that I'm willing to be fair and impartial.
Prosecutors allege Abu Qatala planned the attack to kill Americans.
He has entered a plea of not guilty to all charges.
For the last week, the jury has been coming here to federal court in Washington, where they hear testimony from witnesses, including some that were there the night of the attack.
The trial is expected to last at least six weeks.
Paula Reed reporting.
Thank you.
Huh, I'm glad you brought that.
That's interesting.
I don't quite understand... Who's the group doing this?
Ah, the government.
The government?
Oh.
The government.
That explains it.
Okay.
I'm sure they're doing it with a reason.
What do they want to achieve?
Ah, the closure.
Oh, okay.
So Hillary can say, see, I told you it didn't mean anything.
What difference does it make now?
Oh, okay.
That makes sense.
Uh, end of show clips, GX2, Leo LaPuke, thank you very much for that.
And, uh, well, we'll be back on Thursday, Jean.
Sounds good.
Yeah, well, I'm sure something will be going on.
Oh, it's another Sunday, so something will happen today.
No, that'll be Thursday.
Oh, something will happen today, yeah.
Hey, John, John, John, John, John, John, John, John, John, John, John.
Ready?
Ready, ready, ready?
Ready?
Yeah, yeah.
Go Astros!
Oh, Astros?
Really?
Yeah, man.
2-0.
Okay.
Good for them.
It's a good team.
The team that'll win this whole thing, I think, is scheduled to be Cleveland.
Coming to you from downtown Austin, Texas, here in the capital drone star state, FEMA Region 6 on the government maps, in the common law condo, in the 5x9 Cluedio, in the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And from northern Silicon Valley, where we have blue angels flying around aimlessly.
That'd be great.
I'm John C. Dvorak.
We'll be back on Thursday right here on No Agenda.
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