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	Marry Yourself in Canada offers consulting and wedding photography.
	Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
	It's Sunday, May 14, 2017.
	This is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode Niner to Niner.
	This is No Agenda.
	Watching 43 mediocre pop songs being performed so you don't have to.
	And broadcasting live from the darkest corners of the internet in the capital of the drone star state in the Cludio in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I'm coming in loud and not so clear, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Craig Vaughn and Buzzkill.
	In the morning.
	You're okay, you're okay.
	We strive for protection.
	Protection?
	For perfection on the show.
	Protection.
	We want protection, too.
	But we strive for protection.
	We strive for protection.
	Yeah, we do.
	We strive for protection.
	Okay, let's start off with this stupid event that you like to watch.
	Oh, the Eurovitania?
	They don't even show it on American TV. It's on Logo TV. Logo TV. Yeah, which I think is only streaming.
	But they do have American guest hosts, and one of them is Ross.
	You know, Ross from Hollywood Today, your favorite show.
	Ross, the gay guy that used to be on the Leno show?
	Yeah, that guy.
	He's the guy that they got?
	He did it last year, too.
	Little brother, okay.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Everyone's trying to do a little bit of the Sir Terry Wogan, but he died a couple years ago in the UK. UK has only won, I believe, once or twice You know, some really sappy, poppy song, like Bucks Fizz, or I don't know.
	But because they would always lose, it became this whole thing.
	Before you go on and on, I don't think we used the word Eurovision yet for listeners to know what the hell we're talking about.
	Eurovision Song Contest is a...
	How long has it been around now?
	Is it 40 years or something?
	You're asking me?
	No.
	Do you want a rapport or do you just want to be a dick?
	I'm ready for you.
	I'm ready for you, Mike boy.
	I have not...
	I've never heard of this thing in my life until you told me about it about five years ago.
	Right.
	The Eurovision Song Contest, which is not Europe alone, it is members of the Eurovision Consortium, which started off as a satellite television project.
	I don't remember exactly when, but I can remember it as far back as, you know, I was 10.
	And so what's interesting about it is that it is not European because they have a lot of countries.
	Russia is not officially Europe.
	Ukraine, where it was hosted, is not officially Europe.
	Israel participates.
	And it is usually highly politically charged.
	And they've changed the voting throughout the years where you could always tell, you know, Russia would either be pro and vote for Ukraine or not vote for Ukraine.
	The Scandinavian countries would vote for each other.
	The Dutch for the Belgians, the Belgians for the Dutch, the French for the Belgians.
	It would just go back and forth.
	And so they created this panel of professional judges and then they combined that with a televote.
	And of course people cannot vote for their own country, but that's where you really see the favoritism pop up.
	So it's always interesting to see, and we've called this correctly a couple of times in the past based upon geopolitical issues.
	This was a different year, yes?
	1956 is where it officially began, which is way back.
	Yeah, before I was born.
	And it is actually based on the existing Sererimo Music Festival held in Italy since 1951.
	Ah, thank you.
	Well, there you go.
	But it really turned into a, you know, a bring the world together type of no borders, no nations type of thing.
	Yeah, it's a one world government.
	Yeah.
	And what's cool about it, or I don't know if you want to say cool, is...
	I think you nailed it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	There's nothing cool about it.
	But it's supposed to be about the song.
	So it's the composer, the songwriter and composer, not about the artist.
	But of course, it's now become a place to showcase your country.
	And I was, you know, because I really didn't put any effort into it this year, knowing how you hate it.
	I don't hate it.
	And then we got a comment from one of our producers who donated and said, hey, I need to know, I need to look smart, and of course I steered him completely wrong.
	I said, well, right now I think maybe France would be a good country to win, just geopolitically speaking.
	No, you predicted it straight up in the last show.
	I said I hadn't paid any attention to it.
	Let me just think quickly.
	That's exactly what I said.
	What are you trying to do?
	Don't be like this today.
	Okay.
	Okay?
	I'm irritated when you do that.
	Good.
	Go.
	Here's the winner.
	You can do the report next time.
	I will.
	And that's the winner.
	There you go, everybody.
	Fine.
	That's the end of my report.
	That sounds pretty generic.
	Yeah, that's the end of my report.
	That is Portugal who won.
	I think that this was...
	It's not generic.
	In fact, it was the exact opposite.
	Everybody had a poppy song like they always do.
	And this was a completely different genre.
	It stuck out way above everything.
	And it just seems that they tried to get Bulgaria to win.
	In fact, it was Comic Strip blogger, this is what I found kind of interesting, who had been chasing all the Google trending stats.
	And he said, you know, based upon what he's seeing from Google and the way the algorithms are reacting, he said, it looks like Bulgaria's going to win.
	They came in second.
	They almost won.
	So maybe that was supposed to happen, but man, the French song was, it was an actual song that was completely different, wasn't bubblegummy, it was a French song, a Portuguese song, and I think that's why it won.
	Bulgaria made a lot of sense in hindsight, and I should have guessed Bulgaria, or deduced Bulgaria, so I think for once, music actually won.
	Well, good.
	Now, the reason I'm also irritated is that we spent half an hour trying to fix whatever's going on on your end.
	You're a real dick to work with when it comes to that, because you always yell at me.
	I'm not yelling, I'm just...
	I tell you nothing!
	Nothing can't!
	You're exaggerating.
	Sure I am.
	And so I have this beautiful iPad mini, and the Cluedio has carpeting.
	You know how when you drop a peanut butter and jelly sandwich or something, a piece of toast?
	Oh, now we're getting down.
	You drop the sandwich face down.
	Yeah, right onto the base of my stool.
	Crack the screen.
	What?
	Yeah, crack the screen.
	Yeah, it fell right onto the base and it could have landed on the carpet.
	No, it landed right onto the base of the stool.
	You're talking about...
	Oh, this is why you're irked with me.
	You broke...
	You're talking about an iPad, a little iPad?
	iPad mini, yeah.
	How delicate are these things?
	It landed flat on its face, not even on the corners, flat on its face with significant gravitational force.
	And I knew it.
	Not from a table.
	Yeah, from table height.
	No, standing table height.
	I knew it.
	The minute it was there, I knew it was a goner.
	Standing table height.
	That's a little further than usual.
	It's a goner.
	It's a goner.
	Anyway.
	These things.
	You know, you think after all these years, especially with something like OLEDs, which can be actually bent and rolled up, that they would make these displays so they're not so damn delicate.
	You can't have things that...
	You hold like that, you're going to drop them.
	It's what you do.
	Well, that would be kind of...
	Look, if we were running that company, we'd say the same.
	You know, people buy new ones.
	Woo!
	Yeah, people buy new ones.
	That's the real reason, if you think about it.
	And also, today, everybody, in the world of political correctness and social justice warriors, be very careful you do not commit a microaggression against the motherless on this day.
	Okay?
	Okay.
	No one thinks about that.
	Yes, you're right.
	No one thinks about that.
	In today's world, you should say, is your mother still with us?
	And you say yes or no.
	Well, then happy Mother's Day.
	If not, you need to know.
	It's like a pronoun thing.
	I go by pronoun no mom.
	Everyone has a mother, though.
	That's the joke of it.
	Yeah, but it's hard to celebrate when your mom's dead.
	Well, I think you can celebrate by, I mean, I wish a Happy Mother's Day to my wife.
	Oh, of course, of course, of course.
	That's three of courses in a row.
	Anyway, speaking of which, where's the baby picture you promised?
	Did you put that in the newsletter finally?
	I never promised to put a baby.
	Yes, you did.
	You said you would put a baby.
	Yeah, maybe I did.
	And he has a name, doesn't he?
	Isn't his name Seth or something like that?
	Seth.
	It's like the worst name you can have as a dude.
	Seth.
	I did a little research on the name Seth because there's so many of these.
	Seth MacFarlane, Seth Green, Seth Rogen.
	Seth Rogen.
	Seth Rogen.
	So I did some research.
	They were all born around the same time.
	There was somebody, the 80s, some point in the 80s.
	They were all born within two or three years of each other.
	So I have to assume there is a kind of a mother Seth.
	A Seth that influenced...
	A meta Seth.
	You mean a meta Seth?
	There's a meta Seth.
	Who is it?
	I don't know.
	Who is the meta Seth?
	That's a good question.
	That's a question for the war room.
	Hey, how about Seth Rich?
	So, no, the baby's name is officially Theodore.
	Theodore!
	Yeah.
	And you call him Theodore.
	Wow, that's an interesting choice.
	Now there's a big debate on what to call him.
	The middle name is...
	How about Puddinghead?
	Come on.
	Theodore.
	Will you call him Ted or Teddy?
	No, Ted.
	Nobody wants Ted.
	They want Theo.
	Theo.
	And I'm thinking, I said to myself, well, I didn't know that there were Cubs fans.
	This is a joke that is lost on me, of course.
	Yes, of course.
	Theo.
	Or even Red Sox fans, for that matter.
	So Theo is one of the names we want to call him.
	And then somebody else said TJ. But there's no J. Does he have a middle name with a C? It's Theodore...
	Oh, something.
	Oh, no.
	Here it is.
	Here it is.
	Theodore Smith Christensen Dvorak.
	Theodore's...
	Oh, okay.
	So you have Mimi's name in there and...
	That's his last name, Christiansen.
	And Vorak.
	And that's hyphenated.
	So it's a big, long, crazy name.
	But it's got no...
	You can't call him T.S.? You can't call...
	I mean, there's no J. It should have been Theodore John.
	It'd be great to be called him.
	Hey, TJ! Hey, TJ! Hey, TJ! Get over here!
	Think of those terms.
	So they're calling him T3. Oh, T3! They don't know what to call him.
	Are they insane?
	He's a Terminator?
	There you go.
	T3. I have no idea what to point.
	Son, you're new to the class.
	What's your name?
	Ah, my name!
	It's T3, bitch!
	I can hear him.
	He's going to be great.
	So Theo, or Theodore, I don't know why they came up with the name.
	But I did, at least they didn't call him Cody.
	Now we do have a number of Cody listeners, by the way.
	One of them at least wrote in complaining to me about ridiculing the name Cody.
	And I said, well, you know, you're one of the better ones.
	So here's a clip.
	I've got a clip on babies.
	Oh, you actually have a clip about this topic.
	Yes, I do.
	Because I knew you'd bring it up.
	Okay, how'd you know that?
	Just a lucky guess.
	Because I did make a promise to do the...
	In the next newsletter, I'm putting a baby picture.
	Yeah, everyone wants a baby picture.
	Are the kids okay with that?
	Because the kids aren't...
	You have to ask the parents if they're okay with that.
	I did.
	I said, can I exploit the baby in the newsletter?
	Since she's working...
	The kids got to start working for the family.
	Come on.
	What's wrong with you?
	Get some action here.
	So, here's a little clip that talks about the most popular names, and I am actually kind of off-put by these names.
	For the third year in a row, the most popular baby name for girls?
	Wait, let me guess.
	Popular baby name for girls?
	Third year in a row.
	Third year in a row.
	Hillary?
	You should know.
	Hillary?
	What?
	Hillary?
	No, it's not Hillary?
	It's not Adolf.
	It's Emma.
	Emma?
	Emma?
	Emma's been extremely popular ever since.
	Emma Watson, Emma Stone.
	Oh, right.
	The Emmas.
	Because people can't...
	There's a famous actress.
	Let's name my baby after her.
	Yeah, that guarantees success.
	In heroin addiction.
	Followed by Olivia, Ava, and Sophia for boys.
	It's Noah, Liam, William, and Mason.
	Noah.
	Yeah, Noah's number one.
	Noah Wiley, another actor.
	Geez.
	Noah Wiley.
	Noah Wiley's cute.
	Let's name our baby Noah.
	Gee.
	They're not naming him Noah because of the arc.
	And let's face it, that was a pretty cool dude.
	I mean, he had quite an accomplishment there, that arc thing.
	Now, it was Noah, I don't know what the other two in the middle were, but the last one was Mason.
	The name for girls is Emma, followed by Olivia, Ava, and Sophia.
	For boys, it's Noah, Liam, William, and Mason.
	A fine choice.
	Steve is number 988.
	Okay, here we go again.
	Noah, Liam, Liam Neeson, Nielsen or whatever.
	That's why they named it.
	Why would Liam in a million years Be a popular name, the second most popular in the world, above Steven and Jeb and all these normal names.
	Jeb and Jeb.
	Jeb.
	Liam.
	So Liam, come on!
	And so then William, Prince William.
	Yeah, yeah, of course.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Yes, but the one I don't get, you're going to have to explain this to me, is Mason.
	Mason.
	How does Mason become a popular name?
	Who's named Mason that's a famous actor?
	We still haven't figured out Seth.
	I mean, not Seth, but the other one.
	The other one.
	What?
	The...
	Theodore.
	No, you're right.
	Seth.
	The Seth sect.
	That's what we haven't figured out.
	We don't know the...
	Yeah, but that's not on the list.
	That was in the eights.
	Mason, Mason, Mason.
	But Mason is on the list, and so that means something currently happening...
	It involves a person named Mason.
	My wife used to always say that, well, 90% of these names are from soap operas, but the number of soap operas has declined, I think, to three.
	And so I don't know that there's a Mason in any of the soap operas that people are naming their kids.
	How about sports, maybe, instead of...
	No, there's nobody in sports named Mason.
	Yeah, there's tons of them.
	Name one.
	Mason Crosby, Mason Finley, Mason Foster, Mason Phelps, Mason Rage, Mason Raymond.
	These are all football players.
	A lot of football players.
	No one's ever heard of these guys.
	I'm just reading the wiki.
	I never heard of any of those people.
	How about Mason Jarr?
	That's it.
	That's the reason.
	Mason jar.
	They're naming the kid after a jar because they know that's a...
	It's popular now.
	The Mason jar is popular.
	It has a resurgence.
	They're naming the kids after the Mason jar.
	Yep.
	What should we name our kid, honey?
	I don't know.
	Let me...
	Cup.
	Oh!
	Let me try cup.
	I got two ideas.
	I got ball.
	I got ball and I got Mason.
	Ball is the other big jar maker.
	Oh, man.
	Okay, good.
	Can't name him Ball!
	All I need to know is, has he chosen his gender identity yet?
	I asked about that at the table.
	You did not.
	I did, too.
	Okay.
	The answer is the not yet.
	Not yet?
	Oh, that's amazing.
	Well, congratulations.
	And please wish Jesse a happy Mother's Day from us.
	Yes.
	Well, put her on the list.
	Well, what list?
	There is no list.
	Never mind.
	All right.
	Let's move to another topic.
	I want to get into something that I studied a bit over the weekend.
	It didn't get a lot of play, but I read a lot of blogs.
	Most of the blogs, I think, that are government-based technology blogs and what's going on with just how they're handling information, technology, and government.
	And we had a new executive order signed last week.
	President Trump.
	About an hour ago, signed an executive order on cybersecurity.
	And that executive order, among other things, is going to keep his promise that he has made to the American people to keep America safe, including in cyberspace.
	I'd like to do a few things.
	I'll promise you that we distribute the executive order.
	But if I could, I'll preview the executive order for you, walk you through its three primary sections, some of its wavetops, and then take your questions.
	Among other things, at least as an observation for me, I think the trend is going in the wrong direction in cyberspace, and it's time to stop that trend and reverse it on behalf of the American people.
	If they stop, this guy is a robot, by the way.
	Just let him finish 10 more seconds.
	He sounds a little bit like the Wally in the Beaver.
	He's a robot.
	He's a robot.
	To stop that trend and reverse it on behalf of the American people.
	We've seen increasing attacks from allies, adversaries, primarily nation-states, but also non-nation-state actors.
	And sitting by and doing nothing is no longer an option.
	So President Trump's action today is a very heartening one.
	Okay.
	I looked through this executive order.
	There's a call for a lot of reporting.
	We have to figure out what's going on.
	It does seem to cover all the bases, although I'm not so all in on the recommendation up front being following the NIST cybersecurity framework.
	Apparently, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, is that it?
	Standards and...
	NIST. NIST, yeah.
	What does the T stand for?
	Technology?
	Technology.
	Yeah, National Institute of Science and Technology.
	Yeah, I thought it was standards.
	Who knows?
	We'll find out.
	And, you know, so they have a protocol that they've written up, which already, to me, says if you're publishing how we're securing our networks, don't you kind of like...
	Show what we're doing.
	I don't know.
	And if anybody thinks that you can harden everything...
	This is about human beings.
	The way you fight cyber actors is by having smart dudes and dudettes named Ben going in and fighting them back.
	But okay.
	But the coincidence...
	Of this coming right at the moment where we have...
	Now, I have not really been able to find any factual evidence that this most recent malware, the ransomware that had been going around for a bit, couldn't really find any proof that that is because of NSA or CIA tools that were stolen or leaked or anything.
	But I did find the coincidence...
	Sorry?
	I was going to say, I do have a clip from RT, and that's the only claim they make, which is all NSA, NSA, NSA. Let's play that now, then, because that makes sense in the story.
	Which one is it here?
	This is a Maupan going on and on.
	I think he sounds like an idiot in this particular report, but...
	Who?
	I can't find the clip.
	Maupan, Maupan, Maupan.
	Yeah, there's nothing that starts with an M. That's because you know me.
	Yeah.
	German World Economic View, West Virginia, ransomware, Maupan, MAUPA and Ramble.
	In response to the hacking attack, we have world-famous whistleblower Edward Snowden speaking up on Twitter.
	He writes, whoa, NSA decision to build attack tools targeting U.S. software now threaten the lives of hospital patients.
	It seems he's referring to the fact that this technology that's being used, this malware software known as ransomware that encrypts data and then demands ransom in order to give the data back to the institution or individual being hacked, it's known as ransomware and it was developed by the U.S. government.
	The NSA, the National Security Agency, apparently developed this software with their own research and with their own investigations and financed projects, and it was then leaked onto the Internet by shadow brokers.
	Shadow brokers!
	Shadow brokers!
	Any explanation on that?
	I would have stopped the interview right there.
	Where do I get a shadow broker?
	He doesn't go any deeper into it.
	It just says they're a bunch of douchebags.
	...leaked onto the internet by shadow brokers, which is a shady group that has been leaking NSA... Oh, it's a shady group.
	They're in the shadows.
	They're a shady group.
	...hacking tools onto the...
	Please, I think it is a gag.
	No, I think so, too.
	They're in the shadows.
	...by shadow brokers, which is a shady group that has been leaking NSA hacking tools onto the internet.
	I'm going to put that on my business card.
	Hi, I'm Adam Curry, Shadow Broker.
	So, it seems this is also not the first time that ransomware has been used.
	Apparently, ransomware has been used against hospitals and telecommunications companies in Europe, in Russia, in various parts of Asia, and even in Los Angeles.
	Just over a year ago, a hospital in Los Angeles was targeted with a ransomware attack and paid over $17,000 in ransom to get its encrypted information back.
	So apparently this is happening all over the world, and this is technology that was developed by the U.S. government agency said to protect the security of Americans.
	The National Security Agency developed this software, and it's now being used by criminals around the world to demand ransom.
	Very, very interesting discovery and development.
	And the New York Times, right off the bat, the lead, hackers exploiting malicious software stolen from the National Security Agency, executed damaging cyberattacks on Friday that hit dozens of countries worldwide, forcing Britain's public health system to send patients away, freezing computers at Russia's Interior Ministry, and wreaking havoc on tens of thousands of computers elsewhere.
	And I don't know if they, well, of course, they list Kaspersky as the guy.
	The Russians are the ones who are saying, yes, clearly, this was NSA tool and technology.
	Yes, they are from the group called the Shadow Brokers.
	Come on, New York Times.
	Come on, sad.
	Well, there's a couple of things I find distressing.
	Mm-hmm.
	One is that ransomware, they make it sound like it just showed up.
	I mean, this has been going on for years.
	Two or three years I've heard about ransomware.
	Yeah, but it's fun to make it all scary again because we're all going to die because hospital.
	And it took a while before they finally attacked a hospital, which was a number, I think at least a year or two ago.
	And I don't think the original ransomware was any NSA stuff.
	I mean, maybe.
	It's possible.
	But I know that there was some ransomware code in the cache of stuff pulled from the NSA. Maybe that's what they're doing.
	I think the point they're trying to make, but they're kind of lame at making it, or actually they're doing a good job.
	I have a theory.
	Well, the point I think they're trying to make, the news media, is that Whatever we develop, the problem is that the bad guys get a hold of this and then they can wreak havoc, including spying tools.
	But it's lame.
	Well, again, this is coincidentally in the same time frame as the president's executive order.
	I'm just saying it's always a money bonanza.
	You read that executive order, it's money all over the place.
	I mean, we should be going in and pitching ideas.
	We should.
	And we could get some money.
	We could get some money.
	I would hope.
	But something else is going on with this particular wave, and it leads me to think about some other alternative options.
	There's a new player, a new shill in the game.
	It used to be CrowdStrike.
	Of course, these are the guys that...
	They examined the DCC's computer networks after the so-called Russian...
	DNCC, the so-called Russian hacking.
	They did not allow the FBI... Are these the same servers that were never looked at by the FBI because the DNC never wanted anyone else to see them except these guys who'd make that stupid map?
	Well, there's new guys with a new stupid map.
	They have an added twist, which I'll get to in a moment.
	The company is Malware Tech, and they are doing interviews.
	I think the CEO, he's doing Skype interviews.
	And it looks like, just from his office alone, it just feels like a 12-man company kind of deal, which could be a billion-dollar company.
	And here's an interview on CNN. Listen carefully.
	All right, welcome back.
	We're getting new information on a massive cyber attack that has hit users in nearly 100 countries.
	Security experts say the hackers...
	What is this, nearly 100?
	Let me look at the New York Times thing for a second.
	That's kind of hyperbole.
	Oh, 74 countries, according to the New York Times.
	That's not almost 100.
	The hackers have been paid at least...
	It is.
	It's closer to 100 than 1,000.
	$50,000, but a cyber expert tells CNN the malware called WannaCry has been halted, at least for now, but not before it infected thousands of computers, locking them down and telling users to pay up or risk losing all of their data.
	What can anyone do to protect their data or protect themselves from this virus?
	Anything?
	Yeah, so first and most important, people should patch their systems.
	Their computer was patched from an update that was released.
	Shut up and listen.
	Don't be a douche.
	Listen, this is important.
	You'll be writing about this.
	Are you interested in this?
	It sounds like he just got out of some Ivy League school.
	The professor.
	Then say that instead of just making noise.
	Because when you make noise, I know you're not listening.
	Go on, let play it.
	People should patch their systems.
	If their computer was patched from an update that was released by Microsoft in March, then they would have been protected.
	Oh!
	Hold on a second.
	If they had been patched in March...
	They would have been protected.
	I follow these patches.
	I heard this before.
	I follow these patches and stuff from Microsoft.
	I tweeted something about this.
	I said, Microsoft's fault is things even work at all.
	And then somebody sent me a tweet back saying that, well, no, you had patched yourself in March.
	And I'm thinking, this is nuts.
	Malware can, I mean, if you can get into anything, if any of these systems can get into the operating system at all, it can do this.
	It can create a malware ransomware situation, it seems to me.
	The patch may have blocked the one thing, sure.
	So when you can take your head out of Silicon Valley for a second and just listen to the messaging this guy is sending, you might understand.
	By this, but there are also legacy systems that a lot of, for example, healthcare systems have to use, and a patch was not released for those, such as Windows XP. This is the messaging.
	Forget about the whole ransomware.
	They're being paid off by Microsoft to say this.
	Yes!
	Yes!
	Exactly!
	And I wouldn't put it past Microsoft.
	To say, you know, you guys are going to release something.
	Yeah, we're not going to do a patch for XP for that.
	We're just going to do a patch for Windows 10, and then let's see if all the hospitals don't want to upgrade now.
	That's what's going on here.
	I really, you know, the other thing is I'm kind of doubting that the ransomware would be targeting these old XP systems.
	Why not?
	If you're Microsoft and you want to sell Windows 10...
	Well, no, if you're Microsoft, yes, that's what you want to do.
	I mean, I'm thinking of a real cybercriminal.
	Yeah, a real cybercriminal who gets paid to make XP look such shit.
	Well, no, I'm talking about a real cybercriminal who's a cybercriminal, not some shill paid by, you know, Microsoft or one of these operations.
	A real cybercriminal is, you know, he's going to go get real money from somewhere.
	He's not going to fool around with this bullcrap.
	Yeah, these are all minor criminals.
	Now, here's the great thing about this MalwareTech.com.
	They have a map.
	They have a cyber map.
	And you can find it at Intel.MalwareTech.com.
	But there's a little button.
	What is this button?
	I've got to tell you what this button says.
	Hold on a second.
	I'm going to bring up the map now.
	Oh, it's called Norse Mode.
	November Oscar Romeo Sierra Echo.
	I'm going to do it now.
	When you turn on Norse mode, then it gives you sound.
	Do you have this map up, any chance?
	I'm trying to get it up.
	Let me write down that time code.
	Eh, it won't work.
	That'll work tech.
	I'm trying to get it up, you said.
	Okay.
	Here, I'll send this link to you.
	This is really...
	These guys are just taking it to a whole new level.
	So it's a very familiar map.
	I'm giving this to the war room.
	I don't see the arrows going back and forth.
	No, but if you turn on Norse mode, which I'll do now, this is what you hear.
	Pew!
	With every hit.
	Yes!
	Yes!
	Some guy's doing it.
	Yeah, of course it is.
	That's exactly what it is.
	These guys just...
	This is their map.
	So they've added enhancements with sound for the little blow-up of the cyber attack.
	There's another one, John.
	Oh, no!
	New York's getting hit!
	It's pew, pew!
	It's ridiculous.
	Yeah.
	So this made me only think more that this is a scam.
	These guys, this whole thing is a scam.
	Well, they took it to the next level.
	They did.
	But they still don't have the animation.
	I'm looking at the live map and it just shows these things, these bong bong things going off.
	But it doesn't have the thing firing from left to right.
	I know.
	This is not as good.
	No, but it's a start.
	I love it.
	I just love it.
	What kind of idiots do we have in Congress and around the world that buy into all this crap?
	Well, the same kind of idiots who continue to equate Trump's firing of Comey with Watergate.
	And I did not have a chance to watch the movie Dick, sadly.
	I didn't get a chance to look at that.
	Because we know that the comparisons really are way off.
	But Lester Holt, of course, from NBC, had his interview with the president, and pretty much consistently everyone's talking about this being cover-up, like Watergate, democracy is dead.
	In fact, let's play this one to start off with, just to give you a little flavor.
	This, of course, is a CNN panel.
	Philip Mudd Who is a frequent guest these days.
	I wonder if Philip Mudd is related to Roger Mudd.
	No, he's a former CIA douche.
	I don't know if he's related or not.
	Just listen to how he categorizes the firing of Comey.
	Believe me, I know this is going to sound facetious.
	I'm breathing a sigh of relief.
	You can't take this seriously.
	You could have taken this seriously from President Bush, from President Obama, from President Bush's father, from President Clinton.
	You can't take this seriously.
	You feel like you've got to give the President of the United States a pacifier in a rattle and put him in the crib.
	You're threatening the FBI, who's in the midst of an investigation of presidential aides?
	The FBI's been around since 1908.
	The President of the United States has been around for three and a half months.
	If you think you're going to intimidate the former FBI director and the dozens of people in the workforce who are conducting this investigation...
	What's he talking about?
	He's talking about the...
	About Trump saying, you know, his tweet, saying, well, I hope you weren't taped, which, you know, everyone's reading this by saying, oh, you think he's taping everybody?
	I read it very differently.
	I read it to say, hey, I got wiretapped.
	How about you?
	Maybe you're wiretapped.
	I didn't get it as a threat.
	It was immediately categorized as a threat.
	And let's finish this mud clip here.
	The FBI has been around since 1908.
	The President of the United States has been around for three and a half months.
	If you think you're going to intimidate the former FBI director and the dozens of people in the workforce who are conducting this investigation with the Department of Justice, you've got another thing coming.
	Nobody believes the President of the United States from the day he came in and misrepresented how many people showed up at the stupid inauguration to the claims he made at the beginning about where the President of the United States, his predecessor, was born.
	Nobody believes this guy anymore, which is why I look at the threat in the tweet and can't take it seriously.
	The man doesn't have any credibility.
	I have immense respect for you.
	We talk all the time.
	You can't call the inauguration stupid.
	No, the claims of how many people showed up.
	That was ridiculous.
	First of all, we look a little bit like a 20th century banana republic at the moment.
	This is outrageous.
	The Banana Republic part is listening to these guys.
	That Mudd guy is a...
	What kind of a person is this?
	How can the agency put up...
	Is this the new perspective of the CIA? I would think so, yeah.
	He's being sent out.
	This is the guy.
	This is outrageous.
	Outrageous.
	Second thing, this is not 1973.
	In 1973, the president could have assumed that he owned the tapes.
	Those are federal records, thanks to Richard Nixon's court challenges.
	Not every moment on those tapes would be federal records, but most of them.
	They are federal records, so he couldn't even destroy them.
	In 1973, Richard Nixon, actually, before the subpoenas, could have destroyed the tapes.
	I don't believe there are tapes, but if there are...
	This is not going to be a very long administration.
	Oh, see, this is all this Watergate comparison.
	Now we have Jason Johnson, who is...
	This is why, you know, my two buddies, my two left-wing buddies.
	Yeah, your journalist buddies.
	The professor and Marianne.
	This is why, okay, this is interesting, because I know there's been this sort of messaging going on, but these two guys are now about to take bets that this is the latest bet.
	Oh, wait a minute, are you going to win money again?
	Oh, it's just like taking candy from a baby.
	Nice!
	The upcoming bet appears to be that Trump will be impeached and out of office within the next hundred days.
	I'm serious.
	That's exactly what they're thinking.
	And this is where they're getting it from.
	What did I have on...
	And are they still thinking Article 25?
	Yeah, yeah.
	In fact, Article 25 was in one of the recent emails.
	Ah, because I do have, this was from The Independent, members of U.S. Congress are apparently holding private conversations about whether Donald Trump should be removed from office.
	And this would be under Article 25, and here, the way it's explained in the article, the 25th Amendment, added in 1967, allows the president to be removed if they are deemed to be unable to discharge the powers and duties of this office.
	That judgment can be made either by the vice president and a majority of the cabinet, which would be the way to go, or by a separate body, such as a panel of medical experts appointed by Congress.
	I think the word medical experts is the key phrase here.
	Yeah, because it didn't say doctors.
	It just said...
	But I think this is...
	Okay, Article 67, why was it put in there?
	I mean, I'm sorry, of 25...
	Why was it put in there in 1967?
	What happened?
	You would know.
	1967.
	What happened?
	Thank you.
	I don't know.
	I mean, either Lyndon Johnson was probably perceived by many as being completely nuts, which he was.
	And he was the president, and the Vietnam War was completely out of control.
	It was pre-Nixon, so it couldn't be about Nixon.
	And by the way, if anybody could have been taken out using that Article 25 or whatever, it would have been Nixon because he was crawling around and all these things you heard about.
	Interesting.
	Okay, I would continue with your thinking because I think...
	It's explaining a lot to me.
	Yeah.
	Well, now we'll go to Jason Johnson of The Root, who appears also on CNN, and I like his words.
	I didn't know he was such an expert in everything.
	Jason, how do you see it?
	Like I said, this is how democracy dies, and that's not hyperbole.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	It's not hyperbole.
	Yeah, it is exactly hyperbole.
	It's by definition hyperbole.
	It is exactly because democracy is not a thing that can actually die, literally die, as in the life snuffed out of it.
	That would be a figure of speech.
	But he's saying, no, it's not hyperbole.
	It is.
	Thank you.
	It is the definition of hyperbole.
	A thing like democracy doesn't actually literally die, dick.
	Jason, how do you see it?
	Like I said, this is how democracy dies.
	And that's not hyperbole.
	When you have a situation where issues of national security are sublimated in favor of the personal desires, whims, and loyalty pledges to the President of the United States that is no longer a functioning democracy.
	This is a clarion call to every single member of Congress.
	A phrase from the Shays, clarion call?
	Yeah.
	What's that?
	What is the clarion called?
	It refers to some sort of a person.
	Well, to me, I always visualize it as someone with a big horn, and they're honking it.
	And it's from the Greek era or something, clarions.
	Like Paul Revere, kind of.
	United States, that is no longer a functioning democracy.
	This is a clarion call to every single member of Congress to stand up and call for an independent investigation of this entire administration, above and beyond what happened with Russia.
	So it doesn't matter who the president picks.
	It doesn't matter who he picks to replace him.
	This is a constitutional and a sovereignty crisis.
	And I have to say this, Chris and Allison, I think this is really important at the end of the day.
	Comey probably should have gotten fired anyway, but the timing of this is what makes it so problematic.
	And the reason behind why the administration did it, basically because he wouldn't give them a cheat sheet about his testimony last week.
	That's not how a democracy is supposed to function.
	It just seems, Chris, it seems really unlikely that James Comey would have a sit down with President Trump and say, "You're not under investigation." What good investigator does that?
	That doesn't make any sense when it's an ongoing investigation.
	We know the president has a tendency to lie.
	But even going back to Rosenstein, and I pity him in a way in this situation, if your boss comes to you and says, "Look, tell me how to do something," right?
	You know, it's his job to provide that information.
	But it's sort of like, O.J., I'm not saying I did it, but here's how I would if you had to.
	This is great.
	These guys are unhinged.
	Yeah.
	And so, you know, he didn't want to end up getting blamed for this, ultimately, because he still has to walk through the hallways of the FBI and maintain relations with career investigators, and he wants to make sure that the blood is not on his hands as the scandal spreads.
	What Jason Johnson is doing here is concocting before your very eyes an actual conspiracy theory.
	You just have to call it what it is.
	Not quite as good, though, as Bob Schieffer.
	Bob Schieffer from Fox?
	Is he Fox?
	No, no, no.
	CBS? CBS? Bob Schieffer?
	I think he...
	It's either NBC or CBS, but when I think CBS, I think of John Dickerson, but Schieffer may have been there before him.
	CBS. Well, of course, Bob Schieffer is old enough to have witnessed the Watergate scandal.
	Oh, yeah.
	Just to let everybody know, even though very few people know what the scandal really was about anymore, and there are elements that are being cherry-picked to compare it to this particular situation, it was so severe at the time that now every scandal has the word gate stuck on to the end.
	Exactly.
	This is pretty severe stuff.
	Severe gate.
	Severe gate, yes.
	Unhinged gate.
	There you go.
	Unhinged gate.
	Perfect.
	Here's Schieffer.
	CBS News contributor Bob Schieffer covered the Nixon administration.
	That solves that question.
	Many others during his very stellar career.
	He's with us now from Washington.
	Bob, first, let's just say it's really good to see you.
	Really good to see you in Washington.
	In other words, I'm glad to see that you can still walk and you can breathe.
	It looks like they're walking dead.
	Age isn't much?
	No, I don't think so.
	Good to see you in Washington and on the satellite this morning.
	Well, thank you very much, Gail.
	Just hearing your voice.
	So, Bob, is this a fair comparison?
	You know, there are many parallels to Watergate, but I have to tell you, I think all the way back to the Kennedy assassination to draw parallels, I was there as you know.
	I have always felt if Lee Harvey Oswald had been put on trial, a lot of these conspiracy theories that are still circulating today would have been put at rest then.
	Wow, that's, you know, I was listening to some right-wing talk radio, and this has become a meme.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think the reason...
	The meme is, oh, well, you know, if Harvey Oswald was put to trial, there would never exist anything.
	In the history of mankind, a conspiracy theory.
	Exactly.
	I'm shooting holes in the conspiracy theory here.
	Well, there's also, as I looked into this a little bit, there is a theory, a conspiracy theory that has been around longer than I've been alive, or been into conspiracy theories, That the Nixon-Watergate scandal got so blown out of proportion or was somehow planned to fail because they needed to cover up the assassination of Kennedy.
	And there's some circumstantial evidence in the Nixon tapes that he was referring to, oh man, we can't have them opening up the whole Bay of Pigs thing again.
	I didn't get too deep into it because it doesn't really matter.
	But there is something to, Schieffer is onto something in a way, but on the other hand, he's unhinged, clearly, to even bring this up.
	But you want unhinged, you need to listen to Mika, of course.
	Mika over there at the Morning Joe's with the MSNBC panel.
	I have to ask you something.
	Yeah.
	I don't watch this show because it's on 2 in the morning till 6 in the morning or something.
	It's on so early.
	But I recorded it because I watched the Saturday Night Live takeoff.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if you saw this.
	Of course I did.
	Yeah, last week.
	So I watched it and I went...
	Because I haven't seen the show or I haven't watched the show for years.
	I watched the joke of it and I said, this is nuts.
	Is this anything close to the real show?
	I recorded and watched the show.
	It was.
	Spot on.
	Mika's head movements and the way she leans back and the way she mouths words.
	Mika was nailed.
	I thought so too.
	In fact, I was stunned by how good that parody was.
	It was like so good.
	And the guest looking over like, you know, and I saw that too.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Well, here is Mika's little freak out.
	I personally think it's over.
	I don't think there's anything that can be done that can stop this at this point.
	Cacophony, this gushing of lies, problems, questions, chaos that will stop this presidency in its tracks because they won't be able to get anything else done.
	And tomorrow there will be something new.
	And tomorrow there will be something new.
	There is always more chaos on the horizon.
	There's a cover-up.
	I think that was a prompter flub.
	Because when she said something new and she said it exactly the same way again, it's almost like it was on the next line and it rolled up and she just read it.
	And once in a while...
	It's not...
	Once in a while, a prompter will actually present the line twice.
	I think that's what happened.
	I think you're dead on it.
	That was a prompter.
	She's just reading from a prompter.
	Word by word, whatever it says, it says, I'm a big jerk.
	She'll read it.
	And tomorrow there will be something new.
	There was always more chaos on the horizon.
	There's a cover-up.
	I want to hear the doubling again.
	That's what I missed.
	Sorry.
	Won't be able to get anything else done.
	And tomorrow there will be...
	Damn it.
	Where did it go?
	Somewhere here?
	Problems, questions, chaos that will stop this presidency in its tracks because they won't be able to get anything else done.
	And tomorrow there will be something new.
	And tomorrow there will be something new.
	Wow.
	You're right.
	I think it's either the prompter doubled it or it was someone messed up.
	There was always more chaos on the horizon.
	There's a cover-up going on.
	There is a cover-up going on.
	Say it again.
	And that has to be the premise of all our reporters.
	This is a news station.
	There's a cover-up going on.
	They're just stating it as fact now.
	There's a cover-up going on.
	They not only did that, but they made the assertion right after he said that.
	He says, this has to be our focus.
	The cover-up.
	Yes, the cover-up.
	And from now on.
	Yeah.
	Why?
	Because you can make anything look like a cover-up.
	Oh, Adam had shifty-looking eyes.
	Cover-up.
	Yeah.
	He sent an email, a tweet to Brian Brushwood.
	Maybe he's leaving John.
	Cover up.
	I don't know.
	Cover up going on.
	There is a cover up going on.
	Say it again.
	And that has to be the premise of all our reporting going forward.
	It's also a lot more fun.
	I like the way he says it and then she repeats it word for word.
	Yeah.
	While she's reading his lines in the prompter.
	Hello.
	And that has to be the premise of all our reporting going forward.
	At this moment, we don't know what is being covered up.
	That is still a huge question.
	How big it is, who it goes to, is it financial, is it personal, does it involve the president himself or just his associates?
	We don't know.
	But related to this administration and this campaign in Russia, Everything that they are doing gives the clear appearance of people who are trying to cover stuff up, lie about things, and they are doing it with extraordinary ineptitude.
	I don't know if you're right that this will bring the whole thing crashing down, but if it does, if we end up there, this will be the moment that caused the entire thing in the end to fall apart.
	So they're only interested in the cover-up because the cover-up is a much juicier story than what may or may not have happened because there's probably not that much that happened.
	But the cover-up is a juicy story.
	You can posit about that forever.
	I have a little montage here.
	And hold on a second.
	There's a little thing that is in there that kind of self-contradicts what they're doing.
	If it's a cover-up, which they said, and it's the most incompetent cover-up, which they said...
	Yeah, how come they can't figure out what they're covering up?
	Yeah, instantly.
	Because it's incompetent.
	Yes.
	I have more examples of this later.
	These guys are unhinged.
	Unhinged gate!
	Here's a little compilation of the news networks over the past 24 hours.
	President Trump's decision to fire FBI Director James Comey stunned Washington and is sending shockwave through the agency.
	Tuesday Night Massacre.
	That's my hardball.
	It's a grotesque abuse of power by the President of the United States.
	Again, disdain for the presidency.
	This is bigger than Trump.
	It's about America.
	People are calling it a constitutional crisis.
	We're in a full-blown constitutional crisis.
	Absolutely bizarre statement for this bizarre president to make.
	And Donald Trump, in writing that sentence that he clearly couldn't hold back on, is raising his own potential criminal liability.
	A little whiff of fascism tonight, I think it's fair to say.
	I don't care about the law, I'm the boss.
	It's understandable that people are comparing it to Watergate.
	This is the kind of thing that goes on in non-democracies.
	This is a terribly dangerous moment in American history.
	Has there ever been anything that rose to this level other than the Saturday Night Massacre in the time that you've been an observer of American politics?
	I can't think of it.
	I've heard some people call this a dark day for our democracy.
	I could have come up with that.
	That's alliteration to the max.
	Dark day for democracy.
	Donald Trump, it's about the presidency, which is being diminished on a daily basis.
	The Capitol is filling with echoes of Watergate.
	And the question this morning is whether the centuries-old system of checks and balances will swing into action.
	Alright, I love that.
	Alright, what this results in is stuff like this on the face bag.
	From someone I know.
	A woman in the late 50s.
	Kamala Harris breaking it down now on CNN. You are accused of a crime.
	You are under investigation.
	You happen to work in the same system now pursuing charges against you.
	You fire the cop who reports the crime, the DA on the case, and the judge who oversees the proceedings.
	This does not happen!
	Everyday in this country, citizens are in the uncomfortable and unhappy position of being under the scrutiny of our legal system.
	Some of them also have power over that system.
	What does it say to every citizen if those in power can manipulate the system to control or avoid an undesirable personal outcome?
	But then again, isn't that what Trump did in Texas and Florida to make the cases go away for Trump University?
	Isn't that what he's always done?
	Manipulated the system and throw a tantrum, bully and steamroll his way to the outcome he wants, trampling vendors, municipalities, any person in his way, using bankruptcy to diminish his exposure.
	Not only is there a giant red flag on this idiot's forehead, it's being ignored for reasons completely unfathomable to any sane person.
	There is no rational explanation.
	This is treason!
	Treason?
	Treason, yeah, that's the new one.
	Well, how do you get from that wild argument to treason?
	It's treason!
	I've heard this a number of times, people calling this treason.
	How is it treason?
	It's not treasonous.
	Tell me what's treasonous.
	It's not treasonous.
	It's also not a constitutional crisis.
	It's also not the death of democracy.
	It's none of those things.
	None of those things.
	Please.
	But that's not the point.
	The point is people are getting sick.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	We might as well go straight into this.
	Let's just give you treason.
	Alright, who else do you think would call it treason?
	Of all the smart people on television?
	Everybody.
	Who would be up front and center telling the rest of the women in America it's treason?
	I know this is like an obvious answer I'm supposed to immediately get.
	Janine Garofalo!
	Close!
	No!
	Joy Behar.
	In the New York Times there's a picture, which we have to show you, where Trump is basically in the Oval Office.
	Can we get that shot?
	Can we have it?
	I know we do.
	There he is.
	He's speaking to the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov and Ambassador Kislyak, who is the guy who Michael Flynn got fired for talking to him, possibly talking about sanctions.
	And in the room, there's Trump talking to these Russians.
	And the Russian press is there covering it.
	And guess who's missing from that room?
	The American press is not allowed.
	They were barred from the room.
	Okay, so all I'm saying in this lengthy speech, which I hate to give, is that this is treason to me.
	This is un-American, unpatriotic.
	Having the Russian foreign minister and the ambassador in the Oval Office as treason as John, don't you understand?
	This is treason to me.
	This is un-American, unpatriotic.
	Americans should be furious.
	Furious.
	This is the American press being left out of this room.
	It is my feelings, Frank.
	Hurts your feelings?
	Yeah, because she's a press.
	She's an American press.
	She feels that her feelings have been hurt.
	There were actually two photographers that were allowed in.
	One was Russian.
	They never said who the other one was.
	Ah, interesting.
	I didn't know this.
	So it was a pool photographer, maybe?
	Yeah, maybe.
	The Russian guy was on...
	I'll tell you a little background.
	The Russian guy was on RT, and he was responding to the fact that somebody said he came in there to plant a bug.
	He says anyone that's even discussing this sort of thing has never been into this Oval Office in these circumstances.
	He says, well, they do everything but strip search you before you get to go in.
	Well, this did come up, John.
	I have a multi-part short clip series from Bill Maher's show.
	And he had Adam Schiff on.
	The only reason why I watched is because he had Congressman Schiff on.
	Congressman Schiff, he's the ground zero guy.
	He will also be the fall guy.
	We know this.
	But he's the ground zero guy.
	He is the head of the Intelligence Committee.
	I think it's Intelligence Committee.
	He's not the head.
	He's the second guy.
	Is he a ranking member?
	Yeah, he's the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee.
	I've always wanted to ask, what the hell is the ranking member?
	What does that mean?
	You're the highest guy in the room?
	Which would be me.
	Hey, ranking member Curry!
	Hey, man.
	Hey, man.
	It means he is the, and he has to probably pay more.
	He is the highest seniority member of the opposition party.
	Okay, got it.
	Well, he was on.
	That's why I thought it was important to clip some things.
	And he was very calm.
	Marr was unhinged, of course.
	But we understand why, and Marr is recognizing what we've seen for months.
	So, you know, I sometimes watch the other channels to see what they're saying, because we do live in two different universes.
	And when I see MSNBC or CNN, it's a lot about what you're saying.
	On Fox News, the talking point is always...
	Let's just wrap this up, because after all this time, there's no there there.
	What do you say to the no there there people?
	Is there a there there?
	If there was no there there, James Comey would still have a job.
	So, two birds with one stone.
	Not only have we been seeing the split universe, but the term there, there has just went out of control.
	That just went off the rails.
	The use of it.
	How many there's were in there?
	Too many.
	And it's a racist term.
	Because it's about Oakland, California.
	It's racial.
	And now let's talk about the so-called threat.
	In a bizarre series of weeks, it seemed like this week was stranger than even the ones that came before, because it did seem to me like he may have admitted to committing a crime.
	He said that he almost said word for word that he fired Comey because the Russia thing, in his opinion, isn't real.
	That seems like obstruction of justice.
	He also was asked, did you ask Comey for his loyalty?
	And he said, no I didn't, but that's a great idea.
	Which also is illegal, correct?
	It is staggering.
	Plainly what he did, if you can believe him, was at a minimum unethical, improper, etc.
	Whether it's illegal also depends on whether you think he's telling the truth.
	Ironically, the most incriminating things are if you believe him, but of course when it comes to Russia, you really can't believe what this president is saying.
	And here he is, you know, compounding that by saying, you know, Director Comey, you better look out because I may have tapes.
	So is it worse if he's telling the truth?
	Which is not what he said.
	Guilty of what he accused his predecessor of, wiretapping people in the White House?
	Or is it worse that the President of the United States will just willy-nilly tell the American people things that are patently untrue?
	So it's not true what he just said.
	The President did not say, I have tapes.
	He didn't say that.
	And this is what happens.
	You concoct this thing, and then you keep saying that, and then before you know it, then, you know, Russia attacked Georgia.
	You can never get back from that.
	Never get back from it.
	You just mentioned how tough it is to bring, you know, anything, even clothes, into the Oval Office.
	Not so, according to Mr.
	Schiff and Mr.
	Maher.
	Well, how about having the Russians into the Oval Office?
	I mean, Kislyov is their spymaster in this country.
	He's got that Android phone.
	I'm not the first one to say this.
	The security people are saying that he's still using the Android phone.
	Now, did you hear about this?
	No.
	Apparently, the security people, those guys, they're saying, oh, he has an Android phone.
	So this can be completely, I guess, the implication is nice going, I might say.
	Nice going.
	For Android.
	Yeah, free plug.
	Well, not a great plug.
	How about, you know, it's full of holes.
	We know everyone can hack it.
	Let's go over the logic of this again from a marketing perspective.
	The Russians are pretty smart about all this because they've hacked the elections.
	They're hacking us and they're doing everything they can to destroy our democracy.
	And they're using an Android phone.
	Those Russians are smart.
	I think I'll get an Android phone, too, because I'm smart.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	I see your point.
	I see your point.
	But this is just clearly coming from an Apple head.
	Yeah, that's obvious.
	You wouldn't expect him to be any different.
	Android phone.
	Not the first one to say this.
	The security people are saying that he's still using the Android phone after they hung her for using the wrong computer a few times to send out wedding invitations or whatever the hell was going on there.
	They probably already own them.
	What am I talking about?
	Does it really matter?
	In the category of you can't make this up, which is the category we live in now, you have photographs of Kislyak and Lavrov with the president, not because our own press is allowed in, but because the Russians take the pictures.
	So why can't the Democrats make this sale?
	You're either with us or with the Russians.
	Yeah, that's a good one.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He's made fun of that for a decade.
	Yeah, made fun of it when George Bush said it.
	Not that, but he said the same, similar type of construction.
	Yeah, either with us or with the terrorists.
	That's what it was.
	Right.
	Now, of course, Schiff has a pitch.
	We all know what the pitch is.
	If you're a no-agenda producer, you know what the pitch is.
	If there was ever a time in our history where the argument there has to be a check on this executive, we need to change the Congress so there is a Democratic House or Senate or both because this president needs a restraint, that argument is now.
	Oh, you mean vote for you?
	Vote?
	Is that what you're talking about?
	Yeah, vote for more Democrats.
	More Democrats.
	I'm actually stunned, although I could be wrong, maybe this does happen, because I know the two pitches are the one you just outlined, which is, oh, this is because the Republicans have the House and Senate, otherwise we wouldn't have this insane president.
	One, so both Democrat, especially in the midterms, and we can get the House back and maybe the Senate both.
	And that's one pitch.
	The other pitch is we need a special prosecutor.
	Oh yeah, this comes up, of course.
	Of course.
	The last clip is pitch part two.
	Schiff is, of course, I'm saying of course a lot.
	Damn it, I want to stop that.
	Yeah, I'm catching myself now.
	I'm still not catching it.
	I caught it.
	Now it's getting really bad now.
	Deep breath.
	Wait, my iPhone's telling me to breathe.
	My iWatch.
	Okay.
	He is the ranking member of the committee.
	And he would know kind of what's going on.
	You'd think.
	So Bill Maher asks him for a little update.
	So I know back in March you said that the case with the Russia collusion is more than circumstantial.
	Can you tell us anything more?
	And if you can't tell us that, can you tell us, like, when you picture Donald Trump in, say, two years, what is he wearing like?
	Let's see.
	Orange, maybe?
	I'm already trying to get the image of him in a bathrobe out of my head.
	Right.
	All right.
	I don't know, honestly, where the investigation will end up.
	It's too early to say.
	It's a mammoth undertaking because it's global in reach.
	It involves a lot of witnesses who may or may not want to cooperate with us.
	We're working with a very small staff.
	One of the reasons why it's so important that we oversee the FBI investigation and not let that go or be impeded in any way.
	They have the scope.
	They have the resources.
	They have thousands of agents all across the globe.
	There are things they can do and must do that we can't.
	So part of our responsibility is doing our own investigation, and we are trying.
	Part of our obligation is to make sure the FBI does the job they need to do.
	See, a little twist on it, though.
	He didn't necessarily call for the independent investigation, but he did plant the seed of, we don't have the resources.
	We really can't do this.
	I always get irked when they bring up the fact that the FBI has the resource and they have hundreds of agents around the world.
	I thought the CIA was supposed to be doing that work.
	Yeah, but still, the FBI, they do.
	They do.
	It's all, of course, naturally...
	Damn it.
	I keep saying it.
	Yeah.
	Well, you're so aware of it now that it's ended by the two-hour mark.
	Yeah, I'll be able to fix this, I think.
	We had the testimony of Sally Yates.
	Sally Yates was the attacking attorney general, the temporary acting attorney general during the transition.
	And as we discussed on the previous episode of this show...
	The reason why she left or was fired or whatever happened is because she didn't want to implement the travel ban.
	And this had nothing to do with Russia, had nothing to do with Comey, although now in testimony she said, Oh, well, I warned the president.
	Don't hire the guy.
	He's no good.
	So I wanted to go back and hear what she said.
	And not many people picked up on this.
	A few said, Words matter, phrase from the Shays, that kind of stuff.
	Listen to part of her opening statement here in her testimony.
	As the intelligence community assessed in its January of 2017 report, Russia will continue to develop capabilities to use against the United States, and we need to be ready to meet those threats.
	I sincerely appreciate the opportunity to take part in today's discussion.
	Now, I want to note that in my answers today, I intend to be as fulsome and as comprehensive as possible while respecting my legal and ethical boundaries.
	So this is a new word that popped in all of a sudden, and I'm seeing it in other places, and there is some dispute as to what the meaning is of the word fulsome.
	I had not heard this before, and I'm always paying attention to words.
	I've witnessed my trying to stop the use of course.
	Her testimony is, it is essential that ongoing investigations are fulsome and free of political interference until their completion.
	What do you understand the word fulsome to mean?
	Well, this is what you call being blindsided.
	Never noticed this.
	I didn't hear it when she said it.
	I heard it, but I didn't think about it.
	And I'm completely befuddled by this, especially if there's something to it.
	Well, there were some tweet wars going on between Brian Garner, who is the editor of Garner's Modern English Usage, who responded to the use of this word on the tweeters with, Oh, dear.
	Unless she's referring to the potential prison sentence in Folsom Prison.
	The Folsom Prison blues is what came up in my mind.
	Same thing.
	According to the editor of Garner's Modern English Usage, he says the word Folsom should only be used in its traditional disparaging sense, meaning excessively lavish or offensive to good taste.
	Thus, fulsome praise should be understood as praise that is insincerely flattering rather than simply abundant.
	Well, let's go.
	Now I have to hear it in context again from her.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I mean, I could be off base on this, but...
	I'm looking at the definition now.
	Okay, here we go.
	And we need to be ready to meet those threats.
	I sincerely appreciate the opportunity to take part in today's discussion.
	Now, I want to note that in my answers today, I intend to be as fulsome and as comprehensive as possible while respecting my legal and ethical boundaries.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So what she says...
	Folsom?
	I'm just reading it.
	It's an adjective?
	Well, she's using it as a noun.
	You can also use it as a noun, yeah.
	Well, okay.
	Well, let's just read Folsom, the adjective.
	Offensive to good taste.
	Tactless.
	So she's going to be tactless.
	Overzealous.
	She's going to be overzealous.
	To the point where until she gets the ethical boundary.
	Which now, in context, this does make sense.
	Because she qualifies it by saying until ethical boundaries are met.
	Yeah.
	So in other words, she's going to be overzealous and excessive until she reaches the boundaries where it's going to be borderline illegal, what she's saying.
	Concocting insincerity, marked by fullness, abundance, copious.
	The fulsome thanks for the war-torn nations lifted our weary spirits.
	Fully developed, mature.
	This may be what she's trying.
	Maybe this is it.
	Her fulsome timber resonated throughout the hall.
	In other words, it was mature.
	Common usage tends to be toward the negative connotation, and using Folsom in the sense of abundant, copious, or mature may lead to confusion without contextual prompts, synonyms, gross, profil.
	Yeah.
	Mr.
	Garner calls the loose usage of Folsom has been on the increase in recent decades.
	It is in fact something of a revival of the word's original meaning.
	When Folsom first entered the language in the 13th century it meant copious, plentiful, etymologically linked to the word full.
	But that positive meaning underwent a peculiar historical transformation.
	I love this shit.
	By around 1500, Folsom could mean corpulent, obnoxious, or tedious.
	A century later, it continued its downward descent into sickening or excessively effusive.
	And there things stood until the meaning started moving back to neutral or positive senses in the 20th century, no doubt influenced by the resemblance of Folsom to Full.
	Linguists call a positive to negative semantic shift Pejoration.
	Pejorative is the base word.
	So it'd be pejorative, whatever.
	It says P-E-J-O-R-A-T-I-O-N. Pejoration.
	Pejoratin.
	It's a shit word.
	And the reverse process is called melioration.
	While many words have undergone such radical shifts, such as nice, used to meant stupid or timid, for instance, fulsome is remarkable for its full pendulum swing from positive to negative and back again.
	Secretary Tillerson described in a recent phone call between Mr.
	Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin as very fulsome.
	Well, it's a great word to use because it can mean anything, and it can mean whatever you want.
	It's a useless word is what you're saying.
	Well, it's being used, and I had not heard it in testimony before.
	And you have to question what they really meant with that, what Sally Yates meant.
	Yeah, it's vague.
	Yeah, very vague.
	Anyway, it matters not because the CBS crew was very fulsome about the ice cream gate.
	Time magazine staffers had dinner with the president at the White House this week and reveals what they learned in a cover story called Donald Trump After Hours.
	The president gave them a tour highlighting a big new TV set up in the dining room here at the Oval Office.
	He calls TiVo one of the greatest inventions of all time.
	TiVo is good.
	He uses it to watch a variety of news coverage.
	Now, at the dinner, Times says waiters brought the president a Diet Coke while the others got water, and only the president was served an extra dish of sauce with the chicken.
	And during dessert, the president received two scoops of ice cream.
	Everybody else just got one scoop of ice cream.
	Well, it says to me that he likes ice cream, and he's a big guy.
	I would bet if you're there at the White House and you would say, could I have an extra scoop of ice cream, you would get it, don't you think?
	I think that's the question.
	I think the question is how much he's eating more than other people.
	Ah, there it is.
	Fat.
	He's fat.
	Fat shaming, as predicted.
	Yeah, fat shaming.
	Fat.
	Big man.
	Fat.
	Yeah, let's do some Chris Christie jokes while we're here.
	Yeah, you know, damn it, they should have done that.
	It would have been perfect.
	But with that, I do want to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C with a C stands for Corpulent Dvorak.
	In the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Corpulent-Curry.
	In the morning to all shapes and seats, boots on the ground, feet in the air, something in the wind, all the dames and I out there.
	Yes, in the morning to everybody in the war room, doing a good job today.
	NoagendaStream.com, we do it every Thursday and Sunday live.
	In the morning to all of our artists, of course, but in particular, I would like to highlight the artists for episode 9 or 2-8, which was titled Watergate 2.
	Melvin Gibstein bought us the artwork for that, and had nothing to do with Watergate 2, which is the way we like it.
	It was a piece of art of the gay pride parade with big lettering and not a spectacle, which is correct.
	It is not a spectacle.
	It is not to be photographed as a spectacle.
	Made us both laugh.
	Chuckle for sure.
	We appreciate that.
	Noogen, artgenerator.com is where you can always drop off any ideas you got.
	Art-wise, please don't plagiarize.
	You can satirize.
	Just make sure you're hydrophized.
	Okay, well, I kind of did something.
	I made a little error here with my spreadsheet.
	Do I need to kick us off here?
	Well, I'm just going to try to correct the problem real quick.
	What I did was I blew it up a little bit so I can read it without moving my face too far from the microphone.
	And I ended up...
	Let's see if I can just drop it down here.
	Stay woke, come for nights...
	Yeah, I think it's good.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Nope, I take it back.
	Oh, okay.
	Grand Duke from the Pacific Northwest, Dwayne Melanson, is our top donor today.
	From Tigard, Oregon.
	929.
	And he says...
	ITM gents from the Grand Duke of the Pacific Northwest.
	Great work in spite of unwoke support in the past few weeks.
	I need to verify, but I think this gets me to an unabeyance status.
	This is a long story we're working on.
	I'll be in London this week.
	Hit me with a Sharpton of your choice and a millennial stay woke karma for all nights.
	Now, I want to thank the Grand Duke, naturally, and he will be, we haven't had one of these in a long time, it'll be the episode, the special member of the Niner 2 Niner Club.
	In addition to the executive...
	Very difficult.
	And so does this mean that there needs to be a title above Grand Duke since he has achieved another quest?
	He has unlocked yet another quest?
	No.
	No, not at all.
	Oh.
	What it was is we put him in abeyance because he was actually...
	He looked at the wrong...
	Code for becoming the Grand Duke, so he was actually under.
	Oh, okay.
	So now he's official.
	Oh, so we have a big ceremony.
	Well, we already gave him the ceremony.
	The idea was to get him just...
	He's a grand duke.
	We don't need to re-grand duke him.
	Okay, I'd forgotten we'd grand duke him.
	Yeah.
	Well, I'm going to kiss him.
	There you go.
	But resist we much.
	We must and we will much about that be committed.
	My millennials, stay woke!
	You've got karma.
	They're talking about impeaching Maxine Waters now.
	Well, that would ruin our show.
	I know.
	Please.
	And you know when she says my millennials, it sounds like she's saying some Spanish word.
	My millennials or something.
	My millennials. My millennials. My millennials. My millennials. My millennials.
	Stay woke.
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	Scott Moore comes up next with a $666.66 from Franklin, Tennessee.
	And these two men I want to congratulate for saving this show.
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	Well, in terms of our numbers.
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	Ah!
	Thanks, Obama.
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	this my career in a nutshell.
	After recently purchasing a new laptop and transferring files over from an external drive, I was amazed to see downloads of the show I had listened to.
	We're in the high 400s.
	Although I have I have come and gone many times.
	I I was talking about our show.
	And I've been a steady listener since above show 704.
	And as shame washed over time for the ungratefulness I have shown, I thought about what the No Agenda show has provided me over the years after starting a custom furniture company on the side in 400 square feet garage.
	I read this note to Tina last night.
	It was a very nice note.
	Yeah.
	In 2004, a strange path of risk-taking, victories, losses, and vomit-inducing debt has led me to assemble a group of highly skilled artisans and an unbelievable manufacturing facility.
	Throughout the long nights of building and sanding, there have been two voices of critical thinking and entertainment in three-hour doses that has helped keep my mind and spirit engaged.
	Well, I have an amazing plane...
	I have an amazing plane, unbelievable crew, and a lot of thrust.
	I very well may run out of runway before I can get this beauty off the ground and navigate the ebb and flow of the luxury market.
	If you go to his website, very cool custom stuff.
	I am headed to New York City next week to deliver a product we have been working on that could turn into a lot of lift for our place.
	So I'm asking for some jobs karma as a kicker to that sanity you provided me twice a week.
	Keep up the great work.
	And John is absolutely dead wrong about the mother in apple cider vinegar, which we've been going back and forth with.
	You're not wrong.
	We're not going to talk about it here.
	We don't need to.
	He does like to have a Seed Man montage before the karma.
	Oh, crap, I didn't realize he needed that.
	Okay, just a montage?
	Okay, montage it is.
	I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the friggin' frogs gay!
	I don't know what the hell it is, but I gotta listen now.
	Bye.
	I just pulled it from the archives.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Uh...
	Play it at the end of the show.
	It sounds good.
	I will.
	I will.
	It's going to be a funny one at the end of the show.
	Alright.
	Onward.
	Diane Holst in Eldridge, Iowa.
	33333.
	She sent a card.
	A cute little card.
	She says, Dear John and Adam in the card.
	She's got a big cow in the front.
	I'm sorry it's been so long since my last donation.
	I wish I had a good excuse.
	Diane.
	Thank you.
	Give her some karma.
	I'd love to help her.
	You've got karma.
	Those are our three executive producers.
	We have one associate executive producer, Ryan Calderone, through $227.
	And he writes to us, donation to 227 via PayPal for my smoking hot wife, Ashley.
	In celebration for her very first Mother's Day, I'd like to ask for some karma for our newest human resource.
	Our son was born the 29th of April.
	He's currently in the NICU awaiting clearance to come home.
	I expect Sunday's show to have a very long donation segment.
	Not really.
	But if there's time, I'd like to request.
	It was the last show, but this one, no.
	It's very short, actually.
	I would like to request a Soros interview clip be played where he reflects fondly on his time of helping confiscate people's belongings and sending them on the trains to death as the happiest time of his life.
	It's one of our favorite Soros clips.
	Yes.
	And some karma as well?
	Yeah, I'll do some karma.
	It was actually probably the happiest year of my life.
	That year of German occupation.
	For me it was a very positive experience.
	It's a strange thing because you see incredible suffering around you and in fact you are in considerable danger yourself.
	But you're 14 years old and you don't believe that it can actually touch you.
	You have a belief in yourself, your belief in your father.
	It's a very happy-making, exhilarating experience.
	You've got karma.
	How is he not a war criminal?
	I don't know.
	I wonder.
	Too bad that Weisenthal and some of these people are still alive.
	I'd ask him.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That wraps up our executive producers and our sole associate executive producers.
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	Really appreciate it.
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	We do have someone who reached knighthood.
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	And continue to be out there every single day doing one thing about our formula.
	Our formula is this.
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	Don't worry, huh?
	I won't use it ever again.
	I just have to get it out of my system.
	This particular time.
	Yeah, you seem to like the sound.
	I do.
	It sounds like two kids playing, you know, Ray Gun.
	Yeah, that's exactly why it's so stupid, that it's fabulous.
	Hmm.
	You want to hear a story?
	Here's a good, talking about the news.
	Now, there's a lot of...
	I think every show I've been doing this, it's the story that you'll find someplace, but it's not on the mainstream media at all.
	And I have not heard this story anywhere on CBS, ABC, NBC, even PBS. What?
	But here it is on RT, and it's a good story.
	It's actually kind of an uplifting story in a funny kind of odd way, except for the poor guy got shot.
	Another black guy got shot.
	But it's not just a normal...
	Situation.
	This is the West Virginia non-shooting cop.
	And you have to listen to this.
	It's unbelievable, this story.
	A former U.S. police officer who was sacked after refusing to shoot an armed suspect is now suing his former employer.
	Stephen Mader from West Virginia says his old department wanted to, quote, destroy his reputation.
	Here's how he describes the incident that led to his dismissal.
	I see a black man standing outside of his car, and I tell him, I said, well, we've got to call out about a domestic guy here.
	You want to tell me what's going on?
	And he says, no, man, I don't want to talk.
	There's nothing going on.
	You can leave.
	As I'm running the trunk of his car, I see he's got his hands behind his back.
	So I ask him to show me your hands.
	And he's backing away from me, and he says, no, man, I can't do that.
	And I see a silver pistol in his right hand.
	So I draw my weapon and I tell him, drop the gun, drop the gun.
	He says, no, man, I don't want to do that.
	Just shoot me.
	In my mind, I'm thinking, why is this happening this way?
	And then once he says, you know, just shoot me, it's kind of like a click in your head.
	It was a matter of seconds between me initially coming into contact with him to when the other officers had arrived.
	The other officers get out of their vehicles, their weapons are drawn, and they're yelling, put down the gun, put down the gun, and then within seconds, as he's waving the weapon, One officer ended up firing four shots and the last one hit the man in the head.
	Someone calls the police at their worst time.
	You don't want to go in there giving them the mindset that the police aren't here to help.
	You want to give them the mindset that they're there to solve the problem and help you in any way you need it.
	And while Maida was reluctant to shoot, one of his colleagues did, ultimately killing the 23-year-old male suspect.
	Later it emerged the man's gun was not loaded.
	After that incident, the local police department filed the case against Maida for failing to act and for placing others in danger.
	The department said Maida's was fired for not meeting its standards and struggling to think clearly during a critical incident.
	Amadez had previously served in the Marine Corps for four years, including time in Afghanistan, and we spoke to one of the attorneys in the case.
	Anybody who looks at the facts of this case, anybody who considers what public policy in the state of West Virginia and across the country should be, is going to look at this and say there's absolutely no way that the public policy of the state of West Virginia can be that a police force can fire an officer for not killing.
	What message does it send to police officers across the country?
	I think the message is...
	Shoot to kill if you have any opportunity to do so.
	But what's amazing in this situation is Officer Mader had made a reasonable and an objectively correct determination that R.J. Williams was not a threat to anybody else.
	Once a police officer makes that determination, under the United States Constitution, they're not allowed to shoot a target.
	When the Weirton Police Department fired him for not shooting and killing R.J. Williams, the Weirton Police Department Essentially fired Officer Mater for honoring R.J. Williams' constitutional right not to be shot.
	Wow.
	I had not heard about this at all.
	And R.T. needs to really stop with the hokey music.
	That's bad for him.
	I agree 100%.
	Here's the thing about this story.
	Of course, it goes on a little bit longer and points out that this would be the first guy cop fired for not killing.
	He didn't kill somebody, so he gets fired.
	This is a story that violates the narrative of the mainstream media.
	Oh, that's why, of course, we're not going to talk about it.
	Nobody met.
	It's a great story.
	If you're the story editor at one of these news operations, you'd want to do this story.
	It's a good story.
	But no, they don't do the story at all because it's not within whatever it is they're trying to sell the American public.
	It's a shame and it's a crime.
	It's ridiculous.
	Yes.
	Did you have an opportunity to watch the Adam Curtis documentary we're talking about?
	Not yet.
	Not yet.
	I may have actually seen that one.
	You might have, but oh man, I know a lot of people watch it.
	It's just so good.
	So good.
	Yeah, that's a great story and a very good find.
	It really shows.
	It really shows how media works.
	It's not interesting to them.
	And that's not because it's not interesting from a financial perspective, because I'm sure that people would watch that story.
	I think it might be interesting, but to me, it violates their narrative.
	No, no, we can't do that.
	That's my point.
	It's a violation of their narrative.
	So even though it's a juicy news story, they're not picking it up because it doesn't fit with, well, you call it a narrative.
	How about their orders?
	At this point, you've got to think it's almost orders.
	Yeah, we're not going to do that.
	Now, I have been saying, based on intelligence reports, we have a number of military intelligence producers amongst us, that there is a huge buildup of troops, building up, getting positioned at the normal places, such as Kuwait City, and one of my contacts reached out to me again and said, I've never seen this.
	He says it's incredible.
	The 82nd, everything is pulling eyes, getting ready, and the target is AFG. So it's Afghanistan.
	We're going to do something big in Afghanistan.
	And I'm surprised that this is not being mentioned, or at least I'm not seeing it in headlines.
	I mean, something big is going down.
	And this is just, you know, this is not like some spy that I know.
	It's like, oh, look, I see open up.
	Everyone's seeing this in these countries.
	The journalists must be seeing this.
	There are journalists who are embedded.
	This must be seen.
	And based on our previous conversation about CIA and potential drug running, what their problems may be, this report became interesting from the Hoosier State.
	A dangerous new drug is so powerful it can kill people who are simply too close to it.
	Now so-called gray death has arrived in Indiana.
	It is a mix of heroin, fentanyl, carfentanil, and other synthetic opioids.
	Officials say it doesn't just kill users.
	It's dangerous for first responders arriving at scenes contaminated by the drug.
	The drug can be absorbed through the skin or accidentally inhaled through the air.
	First responders are urged to wear gloves and masks to cover as much skin as possible and try and not touch any potential drug materials or paraphernalia at the scene.
	I don't know much about the drug business.
	Well, I know some from one particular aspect.
	But maybe we need to go get another harvest because people are going to start dying with this synthetic crap.
	We need the real deal now.
	Well, I did a little work on this story based on the PBS rundown of what Sessions did, which I think was...
	Yeah, the war on crime bit.
	We can do the war on crime bit, then I can discuss fentanyl, which is what they're talking about.
	Because I did a little research.
	I didn't think much about it before.
	It's been around forever.
	What's this car fentanyl?
	That's not something new.
	It's one of them.
	They're all variants of this fentanyl.
	Yeah, you like this.
	You like the chemistry stuff, don't you?
	Yeah, I did, yeah.
	So, this, and I never really bothered looking into it, because I remember it was like, I remember 10 years ago when there were people moaning and groaning about spam before good filters started showing up, and there were these people saying, Fen-Fen, Fen-Fen, get some Fen-Fen.
	This was being sold over the internet by mail.
	Oh, I remember that!
	Yeah, Fen-Fen, sure.
	Fen-Fen, and this was over, this was a decade ago, this was before we started doing our show, this stuff was floating around.
	Yes.
	And there's a very good article in the wiki page on fentanyl, which you can read, but let's start listening to this real...
	I have a real problem with this particular report that was on PBS, so much so that I divide it up into six short segments.
	Okay.
	And we can start with this PBS Tough on Crime Part 1.
	I'm sorry.
	Between each segment, I will bitch about something.
	Oh, very good.
	President Trump has long put law and order at the top.
	I love it when you do this, I want to point out.
	You come with a multi-parter.
	And how coincidental.
	I had no idea that you had this.
	I'm just coming up with this stuff.
	I love us.
	President Trump has long put law and order at the top of his White House agenda.
	But today's move to seek tougher prison sentencing policies marks the biggest effort yet to dismantle his predecessor's criminal justice reform legacy.
	Ari Sreenivasan has the story.
	I have empowered our prosecutors to charge and pursue the most serious offense, as I believe the law requires, a serious, readily provable offense.
	It means that we're going to meet our responsibility to enforce the law with judgment and fairness.
	With that, U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions ordered federal prosecutors across the country to revive some of the toughest practices of the decades-old war on drugs.
	I trust our prosecutors in the field to make good judgments.
	They deserve to be unhandcuffed and not micromanaged from Washington.
	If you are a drug trafficker, we will not look the other way.
	We will not be willfully blind to your misconduct This memo reverses Obama administration policies that aim to lessen the federal prison population by not charging low-level nonviolent drug offenders with long mandatory minimum sentences.
	So they're going to...
	I mean, this report is weird because it has Sessions saying they want to unhandcuff people, in other words, unhandcuff the prosecutors, and give them more leeway to do maximum sentences, promote maximum sentences more.
	And then the PBS guy kind of backs it off to make it sound as if they're going after everybody.
	And of course, by the way, in this entire report, which goes on for quite a while, They never talk about legalization issues and things that could maybe improve things or maybe marijuana.
	A lot of these guys get off these hard drugs by going to soft drugs like marijuana.
	It's like a gateway to something lesser.
	This is totally undiscussed.
	Let's go to part two.
	Well, before you, can I just give you two things that I've noticed in relation to this topic?
	One is Sessions' little spiel here really set off the pro-weed people.
	I mean, the den man is, you know, he's like, holy crap.
	Should be.
	Yeah, they should be.
	And who else?
	Oh, Scott Adams said, hey, he likes the holy herb.
	Scott Adams said, if Trump all of a sudden decides, you know, the Trump administration decides we're going to go after, you know, weed and people smoking weed and all this, he says, I will flip so fast and I will do anything to take him down.
	And I think I would also be very angry about that.
	The second thing is, I had a conversation over the weekend with one of the millennials in my life.
	We were talking about the third wave of feminism, which we can talk about later if we want.
	And one of the things that came up with the social justice warriors Is the need to educate people.
	This is what the third wave is about.
	They need to educate people.
	And the top thing, really, of educating, particularly white men, is how black men have gotten a raw deal on drug sentencing.
	And so that is playing right now.
	This also cannot be a coincidence.
	You just walk away.
	Sorry.
	I do that sometimes, too.
	I'm listening.
	There was something on the other machine that relates to this, and I have to get the web address and put it over here.
	Part two, let's go.
	By the way, the whole thing is about minorities.
	In 2013, then-Attorney General Eric Holder told prosecutors to leave drug quantities out of charging documents to cut down on unduly harsh sentences that did not, quote, promote public safety deterrence and rehabilitation.
	These directives coincided with U.S. Sentencing Commission changes and Obama Administration clemency initiatives that provided second chances for low-level federal drug offenders.
	That led to a sharp decline in the federal prison population.
	In 2013, the federal prison population sat at nearly 220,000.
	Today, that number stands just under 190,000.
	In reaction to Sessions' memo today, former Attorney General Holder called the move dumb on crime.
	And Republican Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky said these new policies will accentuate the injustice of unfairly incarcerating a disproportionate amount of minorities.
	In March, President Trump created a new national commission to combat the opioid crisis.
	Drug abuse has become a crippling problem throughout the United States.
	Today, Sessions listed the opioid epidemic and a spike in violence in big cities as reasons for this return to harsher sentences.
	Drug trafficking is an inherently dangerous and violent business.
	If you want to collect a drug debt, you can't file a lawsuit in court.
	You collect it with a barrel of a gun.
	In the memo, Sessions does leave discretion up to the prosecutors to avoid unjust sentences, but those exceptions would need to be approved and documented.
	Well, this is another thing which kind of comes to mind when I see this.
	The population has been lowered by 30,000.
	And there's all these, of course, we have all these...
	It seemed like 130,000, it sounded like.
	It was 220.
	It's down to 180.
	Oh, I thought it was 80.
	Okay.
	And there's a couple of things that bother me.
	It always bothers me.
	It bothers both of us, which is the...
	Profit motivations of so many prisons.
	Yeah, the Correctional Corporation of America.
	Corporation of America, there's that, and then they also manufacture in a lot of these prisons, besides just license plates.
	Yeah, it's free labor.
	Yeah, it's free labor.
	They pay them 10 cents an hour.
	Slave labor, what we always accuse the Chinese of.
	The Chinese have accused us of.
	That never gets any coverage.
	We have a slave labor system in this country, and it needs to be propped up.
	And if we have room for 220,000, federal, these are federal prisons.
	Yeah, they're not just making street signs.
	They're making clothing, they're making Ikea furniture, all kinds of stuff.
	Well, not Ikea so much, but furniture for sure.
	And so this is like...
	Again, not discussed.
	You just plow through ahead with this thing, and it's kind of an angle to make Sessions look like an idiot.
	Of course.
	Because he sounds like one half the time.
	So, go.
	For more, we are joined by two former directors of the White House Office of National Drug Control, known more commonly as the country's drug czars.
	Gil Kerloskowski served as President Obama's drug policy advisor from 2009 to 2014 before becoming Commissioner of Customs and Border Patrol.
	Okay, I want to do a preview on this.
	I should do a little setup.
	We have two guys they brought in.
	They'd like to do these things.
	PBS is doing a worse and worse and worse job.
	They had they had the two guys where they do the argument, the political arguments about Trump, usually with the old guy Shields and Brooks.
	They bring a new new guy in from the National Review and the two of them, just both of them blast Trump.
	And I noticed this some time ago in some show, I think about six months ago, where they won't even bring in anybody that has anything contrary to say about climate change.
	In this instance, they have two guys.
	One from Obama, the very liberal from Obama, and then a conservative.
	And you think it's going to go a certain way.
	It doesn't go that way at all.
	Both guys are all in.
	There is no debate whatsoever.
	They don't bring a contrarian in.
	They don't bring a Rand Paul type guy.
	It's PBS, man.
	They don't have to get ratings.
	PBS. The S has gone off the rails with this.
	Two guys saying the same thing.
	And the Shields and this guy from the National Review was the worst...
	Both of them said Trump should be impeached tomorrow.
	But listen to these two guys on the drug problem.
	From 2009 to 2014, before becoming Commissioner of Customs and Border Patrol, he retired from that post in January.
	And John Walters served as drug czar for all eight years of George W. Bush's presidency.
	He is the chief operating officer of the Hudson Institute, a conservative think tank.
	Thank you both for joining us.
	John Walters, let me start with you.
	Don't mandatory minimums handcuff judges, take away some of their discretion and disproportionately affect the poor and people of color?
	Well, what they do is they target in the federal level more senior traffickers and they try to protect people from this horrible drug epidemic.
	I think the issue is whether or not we're going to have equity across the system.
	Some of these were created for two reasons.
	One, to create equity across the federal system for serious offenses so that some people in some places are...
	Shopping judges was not a way to avoid a fair and equal punishment.
	Two, the sentences were used to create evidence from individuals' pending conviction to help break down whole drug organizations.
	They've worked.
	We need them now.
	We have the most deadly drug epidemic in the history of the United States underway.
	Now, they talk about using sentences for leveraging.
	I don't even know what that means, but both guys kind of said it.
	And the, you can go to the second guy now, but before you do that, there's this, it's very strange the way they're kind of positioning this, and the only information I think that's valuable in here is actually the death toll.
	And one of the guys' mentions is it's gun killings and automobiles combined.
	Right.
	And we know that the real opioid crisis, which is a medical term, is because people are hooked on pharmaceuticals.
	That's the beginning of the crisis.
	But man, and just a moment of respect for the EMTs out there.
	Who wants to be an EMT? Who wants to go save people's lives?
	We know a bad Chad there in Colorado.
	He says, we've got to put a hood on these people, the heroin addicts.
	Put a hood on them.
	They're on PCP and heroin.
	They OD. We've got to jab the, what's the shot called that brings you back to life?
	Yeah, that's the narco.
	Narcon.
	Narcon.
	If you jab that in and boom, they come back to life.
	They're insane because there are still the PCP or the PCP kicks back in.
	Oh, and by the way, whatever they're on, you just being around them, touching them, if they breathe on you, you could also die.
	Yes, according to this report too.
	Jeez.
	Gil Karloszkowski, does this dismantle in some ways some of what you started to accomplish as drugs are in your administration and perhaps slow the momentum for what seems to be bipartisan approach and understanding towards criminal justice reform?
	Well, in some ways it does, but let's separate the opioid epidemic.
	When I took office in 2009, it really was not on the public's radar screen.
	These are pills.
	These aren't being smuggled in across the country.
	They're not being manufactured in some garage.
	This is driven by our medical practices, which, by the way, is governed at the state level.
	So try to separate out the opioid issue.
	The heroin issue is different, although it certainly is connected.
	But if you're a trafficker, a drug trafficker, I couldn't agree more with what the Attorney General said, because if you're a drug trafficker and you're indicted by the federal government, it's usually for a substantial amount of drugs, and so that's important.
	I also want to ask, does this, you know, what about the argument that Jeff Sessions makes that says that, you know, this takes the handcuffs off of prosecutors.
	Prosecutors have been complaining for some time that they can't use a large sentence as leverage to get the type of information that they need.
	Okay, now he uses the large sentences thing.
	They're going to go in to take the handcuffs off in the next, the last clip.
	I think it's the last they're getting there.
	I noticed there's a little piece of propaganda in here about, he mentioned state level.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that means, oh, the states, you've got to take care of.
	It's your problem.
	No, he says that's the way I was being handled now.
	Oh, I gotcha.
	And it's not being handled well, so this is another attack on states' rights.
	Federal takeover, right.
	Yeah, okay, let's go on.
	Which seems the exact opposite of what the Trump administration stands for.
	Exactly.
	Hmm.
	Well, the large sentence can be helpful, but remember, too, there are finite resources in the Department of Justice.
	There are finite jail space availability in the federal government.
	We only got so much inventory, John.
	I mean, we've got to run the inventory to the max, but inventory is inventory.
	We need to fill it up.
	Reserving those spaces and reserving those prosecutors.
	For the most serious crimes is very important.
	You know, I spent almost eight years in the administration, all but four months.
	I met with a number of U.S. attorneys and assistant U.S. attorneys.
	I didn't hear them complaining about the way they were being dealt with by what's fondly called main justice.
	John Walters, I want to ask, you mentioned the heroin epidemic and Gil also seconded that.
	I like the term main justice.
	Yeah, I don't know what I was going to bitch about here, so let's finish it off.
	John Walters, I want to ask, you mentioned the heroin epidemic, and Gil also seconded that.
	What about going after the distribution and the manufacturing?
	I mean, I have to show ID to get a bottle of NyQuil over the counter, yet a town in West Virginia with a population of 800 can get 300,000 pills shipped to it over a few years.
	Yeah, I think the enforcement of the diversion of drugs, pill mills, and other kinds of diversion of synthetic opioids are important.
	But today, that was what was happening five, six years ago.
	Today, the death rate is driven by criminally produced synthetic fentanyl and heroin.
	And this is killing opioids.
	More people every year than all the names on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.
	Secretary of HHS Price mentioned that.
	In addition, that number is accelerating.
	What's happened is we've lost control of these organizations, and we need to be able to enforce the law.
	You yourself have had the author of Dreamland on this program, the story of the pills and heroin coming together to create this carnage.
	He notes that some of these gangs were parking outside drug treatment centers to give free samples of heroin to people to re-addict them or to keep them from getting into treatment.
	Those people need to go to jail.
	We need this on a much larger effort.
	We need to stop talking about there's limited resources in the federal system and the state system.
	We need to bring together public health efforts to bring people into treatment, and we need to stop the flow of this poison.
	It is killing more Americans than all gun and automobile accidents combined, and it's accelerating.
	And in addition to that, cocaine production out of Columbia is going back to the old crack days.
	We're in the midst of facing a perfect storm, and we're not on top of it.
	We need law enforcement to work as we need treatment to work.
	I disagree with the guy there at the end.
	I liked everything he said, except we're not on top of it.
	That's incorrect.
	The facts are right in front of our nose.
	Do you have a conclusion before I do this?
	I was going to do a little discussion of fentanyl, but you can do that.
	Okay.
	We know for certain that any war on anything only results in more of the thing we wage war on.
	This is a historical fact.
	I don't think President Trump has anything new up his sleeve.
	War on drugs means more drugs.
	Now, if you look at heroin specifically, it's coming in through Mexico, through the border, and it's naturally produced in Afghanistan.
	The two places where Trump is focusing a lot of his energy.
	One, we don't hear much about, Afghanistan, except, oh yeah, the mother of all bombs.
	And I don't know if it's time for harvest or not.
	But if you're playing SimCity, if you're the boss, and you're saying, holy crap, man, we got people dying every single day because we don't have enough cheap heroin.
	Which is very different from the fentanyl and the carfentanil and all the other synthetic opioids.
	I'm not saying that you can't kill you and that it's not bad.
	This is what I would be doing.
	We gotta flood the market with this stuff so that people stop dying from the crazy synthetics.
	And the wall, I've always said, is about controlling the drug flow.
	There's going to be a nice hole where you can come through and it's agreed to amounts and times and the payoffs.
	Make no mistake, we run on drug money.
	Everything is drugs.
	Well, the guys say that, as it concludes, they mention that they believe, and it's been documented, that most of the drugs come through within 10 feet of a guard, usually over one of the border openings.
	Yeah.
	They're not being hauled.
	When people drag their family across the border, they're not bringing drugs.
	And I always thought that was bullcrap anyway.
	There's plenty of ways of getting drugs in.
	They have submarines.
	They got airplanes.
	There's all kinds of ways.
	Just having a few people drag some over the border doesn't really amount to much.
	Although they claimed also that the fentanyl in particular, which is so powerful, you don't really need to bring much in.
	And I want to read about a little thing right from the wiki page, and people should go read this, about fentanyl because it's really interesting.
	Yeah.
	Fentanyl, according to the wiki, is a potent synthetic opioid pain medication with a rapid onset.
	This is interesting.
	It's rapid onset and short duration.
	Incredibly short duration.
	It's used as kind of a quick high.
	Like a one-hitter, like a lunchtime high.
	Yeah, it's a potent antagonist.
	What is short, John?
	Like 20 minutes?
	Well, in here, they're talking about 90 minutes.
	Fentanyl is 50 to 100 times more potent than morphine, which is a bit much.
	And some fentanyl analogs, I think the ones you're talking about, which are designed to mimic the pharmacological effects of the original drug, may be as much as 10,000 times more potent than morphine.
	Fentanyl was first made by Paul Janssen in 1960 following the inception of Demerol.
	Several years earlier, Janssen developed fentanyl by assaying the analogs of the structurally related drug pethidine for opioid activity.
	The widespread use of fentanyl triggered a production of fentanyl citrate, a salt formed by combining fentanyl with citric acid, which entered the medical use of the general anesthetic.
	Which is added for flavor, no doubt.
	Preservative.
	And it used to be called Sublimase.
	Yummy.
	And then there's a bunch of other ones that came out for medical practice.
	Sufanatil, Alanatil, Remenafenatil, and Lofenatil.
	They all have a similar sound.
	In the mid-90s, fentanyl was introduced for palliative use with the fentanyl patch, followed in the next decade by the introduction of the fentanyl lollipop.
	Also dissolving tablets and some sublingual spray which are absorbed through the tissues.
	As of 2012, fentanyl is the most widely used synthetic opioid in medicine.
	1,700 kilograms were used globally in 2013.
	How do you make it?
	Can you make it at home?
	No.
	No.
	Salsa uses a recreational drug leading to thousands of overdoses.
	It's the recreational thing that seems to be the issue.
	Deaths have resulted from improper medical use and recreational use.
	Fentanyl is rightly red therapeutic index, which makes it very safe.
	They use it for anesthesia.
	It's not like a drug that's not Okay.
	Here's the thing here.
	Let me just refer people to this website.
	Not to Wikipedia.
	But there's a website that is...
	I don't know why I haven't mentioned it on the show before.
	It's Drug Experimenters.
	We've talked about this.
	They give you their entire experience of individual highs.
	E-R-O-W-I-D dot com.
	Or dot org.
	Sorry.
	E-R-O-W-I-D dot org.
	And every drug in the world is in here.
	And it usually has commentary by dozens of people who are experimenters.
	And they talk about fentanyl quite a bit, and the guy who's used it usually, I mean, there's some people that actually like it, but if you look it up, you get, you know, death pill, you get the worst thing I've ever had, or great, it's a great buzz.
	Do they have ratings like Amazon?
	They should.
	But one guy was bitching that he was checking his blood.
	A lot of these guys are nuts.
	They wrap themselves up in a bunch of gear and then they take some drug and then they take all their vials.
	This guy says he almost died with a very small patch, using the patch, which I guess is very popular.
	But this is bad news and it really does all stem from the medical profession.
	You might die.
	Well, I'm calling this the Great Harvest of 2017.
	Well, they've got to put a stop to it.
	And this is the only way to do it?
	No, the only way to do it is to legalize it.
	Well, that is the ultimate way.
	Because it lowers the prices, the profit motive is gone.
	But legalize the poppy version, not the synthetic version.
	Well, the synthetic version, if it was legalized, this crazy shit that comes in from China...
	Which is made there for some purpose or other and somehow gets into the...
	But let's just back up for a second.
	That's not going to happen because we heard very clearly, and I have to say at this point, I've never really heard anything where Sessions said specifically this about marijuana or states who have or have not legalized it for medicinal or recreational use.
	It's all about heroin.
	It's all about opioids.
	Yes, but Sessions is a known anti-marijuana guy.
	It's fine.
	But there's no way that they're going to legalize it.
	They're going the other route, which is get the good stuff in.
	I'm telling you, this is the only answer.
	And it answers a lot of issues.
	To me, it seems cut and dry.
	What else are we doing?
	Why are we going into Afghanistan?
	Why?
	Answer.
	Why?
	Well, we know the answer.
	We've talked about it on the show a million times.
	But if it was legalized and the prices came down and people used it under controlled environments, the situation wouldn't exist like this.
	I understand, but we're not Trump.
	No one's going to listen to our argument.
	The guys never try to drink.
	What the hell does he know?
	He's unqualified from governing over this.
	No, I agree.
	He should recuse himself.
	As president, as a teetotaler, I recuse myself from this entire situation.
	All I know, if it's the death toll, they said it's going to be averaging $100,000 a year, and people are moaning and groaning about gun deaths.
	This is worse.
	Well, we've always known that.
	He's taking the second best option for him, personally.
	Then something it could actually do.
	Would it just throw everybody in jail?
	No, get all the good stuff in, produce low-cost, high-quality, real heroin.
	The good stuff, you know, like Coca-Cola.
	Yeah, but that's not our government doing it.
	It's agencies that are taking the money and pocketing it.
	Yeah, but still, the poppies come in.
	We know how it works.
	Well, anyway, I find the whole thing distressing.
	It's very distressing.
	I would have had a little stronger, I think, presentation.
	It could have been better.
	Yeah, the jury was unconvinced.
	Let's go to South Korea for a moment.
	Awesome stuff happening.
	As Moon Jae-in begins his new role as president of the Republic of Korea, the ruling party in parliament is pushing for a hearing on a controversial missile defense system.
	The Democratic Party wants to address national suspicions surrounding the U.S.-made FAD system.
	Joseph, President Moon said he would reconsider the deployment.
	Yes, the Democratic Minju Party, and that's Moon Jae-in's party.
	Did he say the Democratic Ninja Party?
	Sounded like ninja, but I think he meant Moon Jae-in.
	I like ninja.
	That's good.
	...national suspicions surrounding the U.S.-made FAD system.
	Joseph, President Moon said he would reconsider the deployment.
	Yes, the Democratic Minju Party, and that's Moon Jae-in's party, has a special panel, and they've been pushing for a parliamentary hearing for the missile battery, also calling for the deployment to be suspended until it's approved in the National Assembly for what they say is to prevent further national conflict.
	Now, this missile battery has been a topic of controversy in South Korea since it was first announced, getting backlash from residents near the installment site as well as other countries, including China and Russia.
	And Moon Jae-in and his party have called for a delay in the deployment, saying that the ousted President Park Geun-hye and her government didn't really receive public consensus before they came to a decision.
	Now, all of this comes at a time where key components of the THAAD missile battery, including the high-profile X-band radar and mobile launchers, have already been delivered.
	So it is of question as to whether they'll be able to even reverse the decision.
	But the controversy has further escalated following U.S. President Donald Trump's remarks, saying that South Korea would have to burden the cost of THAAD, which wasn't in any agreement before.
	But all of this is in question because Moon Jae-in and his party do not have the full backing and majority in the National Assembly.
	So we'll have to see if this plan, as well as his other reform plans, will even be able to get approval in Parliament.
	So the takeaway from this, we already knew the Moonster was against it, which I think is fab.
	I did not know that we have no client there that the American taxpayer has been paying for this, of which the shit has already been delivered and is on the ground ready to be installed.
	We've been paying for it all along.
	Yeah.
	I did not realize that we pay for all of it.
	I thought that there was a buyer there.
	Well, apparently not.
	It doesn't make any difference as long as those arms companies get the money.
	Oh, of course!
	Ah, shit!
	That was a big one, too.
	North Korea update, CBS. Here's another report on the same thing.
	It's got a funny...
	Funny screw up in here.
	Let's see if you can spot it.
	There's breaking news tonight from the Korean Peninsula.
	CBS News confirms North Korea launched a missile Sunday morning, local time, from its Kusong test facility.
	It's unclear what type of missile was fired and whether the launch was successful.
	It comes just hours after a senior North Korean diplomat said the communist dictatorship would be open to talks with the United States.
	Under the right conditions, continued missile tests by the North would, of course, ruin any chances of diplomatic breakthrough.
	Adriana Diaz has more from Beijing.
	While traveling through Beijing International Airport, senior North Korean diplomat Choi Son-hui said North Korea is open to talks with the U.S. If conditions are right, she said, we'll speak to the Trump administration.
	Her comments follow President Trump's overture to North Korea earlier this month when he said he'd be, quote, honored to meet with dictator Kim Jong-un under the right circumstances.
	The ratcheting down of rhetoric comes after months of escalating exchanges between Washington and Pyongyang.
	North Korea has continued to test banned ballistic missiles, while the U.S. has beefed up its military presence in the region as a show of force, including the deployment of an aircraft carrier off the Korean peninsula.
	The comments also come days after South Korea elected a new president this week who prefers engagement with the North instead of isolation.
	Banned ballistic missiles?
	I'm not sure what.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, that was weird.
	Well, I did a little research to see what they, what is this?
	And you look it up, and apparently these missiles in North Korea shoot, the ones they shoot off, are banned by the United Nations.
	Hmm.
	And I'm thinking, why are they banned?
	Yeah.
	I can't get to the bottom of that.
	Why are they banned from shooting off ballistic missiles just randomly, and we're not?
	Well, because they're douches.
	I guess that's it.
	You guys are douches.
	You don't get to shoot your missiles.
	I have a follow-up about just that.
	We prefer to refer to them as sanctions, John, not as banned substances.
	And Joseph, despite hostile relations, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea sent a letter to the U.S. House of Representatives protesting new sanctions.
	I didn't hear about this letter.
	I thought that was interesting.
	What does the DPRK hope to achieve?
	Yes, Elaine, the DPRK sent a letter in protest of the latest U.S. House of Representatives bill for tougher sanctions on Pyongyang, and that's to prevent crude imports as well as international shipping.
	We're starving these people now.
	Now they have no crude imports, no oil, no food, no food.
	How is this humanitarian in any way?
	Enjoy your rice.
	Do they even have rice there?
	Do they have rice?
	I hope so.
	What do they have?
	What can they make there?
	What are they going to eat?
	They can grow a tomato, I think.
	That's the price of tomato.
	International shipping.
	And this would become law if it's also passed in the Senate.
	Now, this letter is in line with the DPRK's argument that its nuclear program is for self-defense, and that they would continue to pursue it, given that Washington has continued to pursue what they say, Now, here's the DPRK state media on the matter.
	As the U.S. House of Representatives enacts more and more of these reckless and hostile legislations against the DPRK, our efforts to strengthen nuclear deterrence will gather greater pace beyond anyone's imagination.
	Tensions between Washington and Pyongyang have been high, with the new Trump administration really focusing on isolating the state.
	And it seems that the DPRK is trying to counter this by reviving its Foreign Affairs Committee amid the mounting sanctions.
	Now, the Seoul's unification ministry said that this committee was revived in order to improve foreign relations, given its isolation.
	But we've seen more and more countries really reinforce and back these sanctions, including recently Germany closing down a hostile that's run by North Korea, as well as Southeast Asian countries, including what happened in Malaysia.
	Now, all of this comes amid Moon Jae-in, who's been receiving promises from other foreign leaders who really promised that they would back these U.N. sanctions, as well as help South Korea to try to curb the DPRK's nuclear and missile program.
	Does not sound like a good situation.
	Not a good sitch for the DPRKs.
	No, this is not good for them.
	Well, we'll see what happens.
	I like the tough talk bit, but don't starve these people.
	It's not going to help.
	The whole thing is ridiculous.
	It's a disaster.
	However, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't go to something really important for the show right now.
	I'm going to show myself a little by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on your agenda in the morning.
	And I'd like to remind everybody that the Beatles channel starts here on Sirius XM, starting May 18th, Channel 80.
	Who are they going to play?
	A lot of Beatles.
	They keep promoting all the time.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Isn't it a little redundant to just play Beatles all the time?
	Beatles, Beatles, Beatles?
	There used to be Beatles radio stations, if you recall.
	The station would be ready to change format, or the station would be sold, and then, we're going all Beatles all the time!
	Don't you get a little tired of Beatles?
	Well, you can always mix it up.
	I find them tedious.
	You can mix it up.
	You can play Beatles-related songs.
	So, for instance, if I were the program director, I'd throw one of these into really, really hot rotation.
	Ladies and gentlemen, Beatles all the time here on Sirius XM Channel 80.
	I still got it.
	That would do it.
	Yeah, I still got it.
	Woo!
	He's unhinged.
	I am.
	Well, let's thank a few people for show 929.
	Or whatever it is.
	Yeah, Niner 2 Niner.
	Dame Kirsten Gleb, who comes in, she's the one who comes in with pop money every month.
	Pop money.
	But she gave us $150 with it.
	Please give a birthday shout-out to her best brother on the planet, my brother Todd, whose birthday is Sunday, May 14th, Mother's Day.
	And she wants us to add an F cancer karma for her.
	Oh, jeez.
	I didn't realize that.
	Terrible.
	Let me do that for her right now.
	Where's my favorite?
	Yes, this is a good one.
	You've got karma.
	Austin Wilson in Sammamish, Washington, $102.80.
	Troy Angst in Langsburg, Michigan, $100 even.
	Baroness Janice of the Mutton and Mead in Milpitas, California over here, a 92-90.
	Chris Moore, the one boob donation.
	It's a one boob.
	It's a meager.
	But it is for mom.
	He says it is for mom.
	It says for mom, so you've got a little mom thing in there.
	Matthew Wilson in Hanover, Pennsylvania, two-thirds of the nighthood with 64-67.
	Sir Mark Tanner in Whittier, California, 55-33, the Baron donation.
	Sir J.D. Baroness, Sycon Valley, 5517, worried sick that he wasn't going to get this thing mentioned in time, but we did.
	5517 donations in honor of John's newest grandkid, their mother, and all the other mothers out there in need of some karma for Mother's Day, love and light.
	We'll put some karma at the end, of course, for everybody.
	Samuel Cutts, 55 double nickels on the dime.
	Please call out Luke K. from Minneapolis as a douchebag.
	Douchebag!
	He says he hasn't been listening for a year and he hasn't coughed up anything.
	Sir Kevin Payne in Richmond, Virginia, 5232.
	Alan Asaf, I think.
	5140, these are Mother's Day donations.
	We got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 even.
	Not a lot of mother lovers.
	No, there's not a lot of mother lovers in this show.
	I was stunned by the low number of people that were, and there's no 5140s, $514, none.
	But Alan Asaf came in, Asif, with the best Mother's Day to his mother, Sandra, his grandmother, Marie, and his smoking hot wife, Mona.
	Yo.
	Good name.
	Chad Syker, or Syker, Syker, I think, in Owensville, Maryland.
	Happy Mother's Day to my main squeeze, Sonia Syker, and all five of the human resources.
	Good for you.
	Chuck Walters in Schaumburg, Illinois, 5140.
	Wishing Carolyn Walters from Sugar Grove a happy Mother's Day.
	Andy Kluber, 5140.
	Happy Mother's Day, Dell.
	Scott Floyd, no mother.
	But to Scott's mother, Happy Mother's Day.
	Her buddy, Sir Patrick Coble, says Happy Mother's Day to his mother, doesn't name her.
	Jonathan Bingham, oops.
	Patrick, no, I'm sorry.
	Patrick Koval said, Happy Mother's Day to my wife, Dame Sarah, for taking care of me and the two little human resources.
	Okay, got that wrong.
	It's Jonathan Bingham doesn't list his mother, so we say Happy Mother's Day to him, to his mother.
	Patrick, well, Perry Stewart, Lady of the Manor, calling out to moms everywhere and especially those remembered.
	Oh, thank you.
	Very sweet.
	Black Knight Sir Mark Magpio.
	Magpio.
	I don't know how to pronounce that.
	Magpio.
	Magpio.
	Anyway, tell all the moms out there more, especially my wife, from Black Knight Sir Mark Magpio.
	Sir JD, the Baron of Silicon Valley, again shows up.
	But this time he says a Happy Mother's Day donation from the Baron of Silicon Valley for...
	His smoking hot wife, Jean, mother of our child, and his mother, Marion.
	Keep up the great work, gents.
	Thank you.
	And that's the group.
	Our grouping of well-wishers.
	There's Gary Buchanan with the wrong number.
	And does Jay Briscoe have a note with the 5101?
	Jay Briscoe?
	Yeah.
	Oh, no.
	I don't know.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	No, I don't know.
	I certainly don't have his note.
	No, I don't have a note, but he's 5101.
	Yeah, I don't know what it was.
	All right, and then Gary Buchanan has one for...
	Gary Buchanan has got his wife, long-time contributor and listener, her birthday.
	It's a birthday call-out.
	Oh, is she on the list?
	Yeah, we got her on the list.
	Okay.
	Edgar Almagall.
	I just wanted to say, maybe you want to do the same, because I know my mom, if I didn't say Happy Mother's Day, even though she's dead, she would be pissed.
	So, Happy Mother's Day.
	Even if she's dead, she would be pissed.
	Oh, yeah.
	And Happy Mother's Day to Tina Marie, the Keepers.
	And Happy Mother's Day to my wife, Amy.
	She's a great mom.
	Great mom.
	And Eric's wife, Dee.
	All of these mothers that are out in the West Coast.
	We're mother lovers.
	That's what people say, especially in the chat room.
	Gary Buchanan, 5505, and we got a birthday call for him.
	Edgar Almaguer in Wachahachie, Texas, 50.
	The following people are $50 donors, name and location, and then that'll be it.
	Brandon Savoy, parts unknown.
	Dame Patricia Worthington, who's very reliable.
	He comes in a lot in Miami.
	Mike Westerfield, Sir Mike.
	Parts unknown here.
	John Haller in Missoula, Montana.
	James Chu in Andover.
	And he did send a note somewhere.
	Yes, he sent a short note.
	Oh, here it is.
	He says, Dear John and Adam, It is actually a note page, too.
	And it's an anonymous donation.
	Well, that's great.
	Thanks for all the hard work we need for any on-the-air mention.
	No need for on-the-air mention.
	He doesn't like the mic drop.
	That's what he wanted to say.
	Triggers him?
	No, I think on some systems it makes too much noise.
	Okay, no mic drop today.
	Special day for all the moms, no mic drop.
	Oh, very nice.
	I'll do something else.
	Dame Melody Mann, I'm sorry, in Andover, Massachusetts.
	That's Scott, then there's a Scott coming up.
	I realize I'm at the end of the list.
	So I want to thank everybody for helping us on show 929.
	929.
	Yes.
	Niner to Niner.
	Indeed.
	Indeed.
	Well, thank you.
	And everyone underneath $50, of course.
	Damn, damn, damn again.
	It's hard.
	What?
	It's hard to not say, of course.
	I'm really trying.
	I keep catching myself.
	It's hard for me to hear it.
	It's my fault.
	I'd love to write you about this, but I can't hear it.
	Not your fault.
	Not your fault.
	But we do thank everyone under $40 to $50, and that is typically for reasons of anonymity.
	We appreciate that.
	And thank you for the support for your moms.
	Happy Mother's Day.
	And remember, we have another show coming up on Thursday.
	We need your support.
	Dvorak.org slash N-A. For those of us who need it.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got karma.
	We've got a list here today.
	We start off with Jeff in Tracy, California.
	Apparently he's celebrating on the 6th.
	His note was a little unsure there at the $5 donation level.
	I just couldn't read it.
	Dame Kirsten, happy birthday to her brother Todd, celebrating today.
	Marty Williamson, happy birthday to his smoking hot girlfriend Heather Latta.
	And Gary Buchanan says happy birthday to his wife Jennifer.
	He is the luckiest man in the world.
	She celebrates on Wednesday.
	Happy birthday to all the moms and everybody here for the best podcast in the universe.
	Quick make good.
	On episode 9 or 2-7, we somehow skipped James Zukal, who donated $100.
	And we apologize for that, so we wanted to make good and hope this suffices.
	And then we do have one knighting today.
	Ewan Robertson has climbed up through the ranks, so if you could grab a single knight blade.
	Yeah, let me get it.
	Okay.
	Well, I'll just use yours.
	Don't use mine necessarily.
	All right, Ewan Robertson, come on up here, man.
	Thank you so much.
	You have contributed to the best podcast in the university amount of $1,000 or more.
	Therefore, you get a spot at the Covenant Roundtable, the No Agenda Knights, and the Dames.
	And I am very proud to pronunciate these to ruin the Ewan of ramen noodles.
	So for you, my friend, we have, of course, hookers and blow, rent boys and chardonnay, lead slingers, whiskey and gunpowder, brisket and brown ale, half eggs with lee sauce, white widow and brownies, we've got espresso and hemp milk, DMT and astral travel, drams and DMT, bad science and perky breasts, three gashes and a bucket of fried chicken, hot pants and booze, bad science and perky breasts, three gashes and a bucket of fried chicken, hot pants and booze, breast milk and pavlum, ginger ale and gerbils, bong hits and bourbon, vodka and And that's mead spelled M-E-A-D, no E at the end.
	I die Back and forth.
	Since we're on Mother's Day, and this may be even something that enters the Dvorak household of conversation, possible.
	It's a long clip, but we can stop whenever we want.
	It's entertaining to me all the way through, of course.
	I heard it that time.
	Tucker?
	Tucker Carlson.
	I am talking about Tucker Carlson.
	He had on a woman who was not a social justice warrior.
	She's an interesting woman, actually.
	Well, it doesn't matter what her name is.
	This was a story based on a report, a scientific report, that stated as conclusion...
	Women breast-free feeding is not natural.
	Oh yeah, this is great.
	And I understand both sides, I understand what's being said, but it is indicative of just a larger issue, a larger problem that may not be a problem to everybody, but the third wave of feminism that I spoke about earlier is about educating men, in particular white men, but it's about educating men.
	You need to know what the truth is.
	A new study in the journal Pediatrics describes it as quote unethical to call breastfeeding natural because doing so might undermine feminism.
	The study says quote coupling nature with motherhood can inadvertently support biologically deterministic arguments about the roles of men and women in the family.
	So this is kind of a baffling story.
	One, that people are inserting politics into breastfeeding, which seems like it would be off limits for politics, but two, why it would be controversial to call breastfeeding natural.
	If breastfeeding is not natural, what is natural?
	Well, breastfeeding doesn't come naturally, as pediatricians will tell you.
	It's not exactly easy.
	There are lactation specialists out there.
	There's a whole industry out there.
	So breastfeeding isn't exactly natural.
	It doesn't come naturally to women.
	So what they're saying is, which I'm so happy there's a study out there that are finally letting women not have this guilt trip, that it's okay to hand the formula over to daddy, to the men, and it's natural for a man to feed a baby.
	So they're saying that only a woman able to feed a child is inappropriate.
	Here's the crazy thing as I was listening to this report.
	I immediately went searching for the actual study, looked for any connections.
	And to me, the first thing I thought is this must be the baby food industry or the formula industry.
	Who have somehow gotten this report out there, and this is a Latina, I'm sorry, a Latinx.
	Latinx.
	Yeah, she runs, what does she run?
	She runs a female magazine, which is mainly focused on the Latinas.
	She sponsored her magazine and she touts clearly on her website what great companies have sponsored, have advertised, but doesn't necessarily list any food company that I can see that would have baby formula.
	But this just kept on going.
	It's unethical and inappropriate.
	And I'm so glad that women are let off the hook, finally.
	Women are let off the hook.
	So this kind of brings into play what this is.
	And it's obvious that this is intended to create media havoc.
	Because obviously everyone knows that it is a natural process.
	It is not natural for men to give breast milk through their own breasts.
	So it's intended to spark some kind of...
	And it seems like the age-old controversy.
	Is it bad to have breast milk or not to have formula instead of breast milk as an infant?
	Ethical or inappropriate, whatever those words mean.
	I mean, it's the opinion of some physicians that breast milk is superior to formula, and other people disagree, and it's a debate that has raged for quite some time.
	But what you seem to be saying is...
	It is bad because it suggests that women have a different role in motherhood than men do, but they do because women are the only people biologically capable of bearing children.
	Is that now a controversial observation?
	Well, the study is saying, though, that women are not the only ones who could feed the children.
	So that's what they're trying to say.
	It is natural for others to be able to feed the children.
	So the whole burden is not on the mother.
	So that's what they're trying to say with this study.
	Maybe I'm unaware, but is it an issue that fathers say, hey, I don't care what you do, but you've got to give the kid breast milk, and I'm not going to give him a formula.
	What, your nipples hurt?
	Tough luck.
	You've got to give the breast milk.
	I mean, is that really a thing?
	Not that I know of.
	I mean, but that's, okay, first of all, of course that's true.
	Right.
	Of course.
	But that's kind of a decision.
	What do you mean?
	I don't think women are stupid.
	Oh, well, there are some women that actually, I interviewed a pediatrician that had a month.
	Yeah, now she's going to say there are some women who are stupid.
	This is the best part.
	She's even saying women are stupid.
	Women are stupid.
	Oh.
	Well, there are some women that actually, I interviewed a pediatrician that had a mother that had a child starving for two weeks.
	She was not able to lactate.
	She was not able to produce breast milk for two weeks.
	The baby had lost weight and she refused to give that baby formula for fear that her baby was not going to get the perfect breast milk and would have to turn to formula.
	The baby ended up in the queue.
	That's a totally fair point, and that's a shame when people feel like there's no alternative.
	Perhaps there are some, but that's not what's really going on here.
	This is gender politics intruding on the personal decisions that parents make.
	It's also blurring the lines.
	We needed that, she says.
	We needed that.
	It's suggesting, by the way, that men can breastfeed, which I don't think they can.
	It's suggesting that men could...
	I don't know.
	She doesn't know.
	I do know.
	The answer is they can't.
	I have four children, I can tell you.
	I don't know.
	What do you think is going on with this, Joan?
	Is this just more...
	I think it's the best he could do.
	Well, I mean, I've heard this before.
	It got nowhere.
	I think this is Tucker running out of material.
	Okay.
	I'm down with that.
	You're right.
	Because this woman is not really doing her job in so far as arguing with him.
	She's flirting with him.
	She's not.
	She's not.
	Maybe she was flirting with him a little bit in hindsight.
	That's a good point.
	That's a very good point.
	I want to talk about this third wave of feminism just for a moment, because I'm starting to get a little picture of this.
	And you know that what is being taught in universities is courses like gender in media, gender in media studies.
	And I believe that for certain types of education, liberal arts I would say, it's a required course.
	No.
	UT Austin, apparently, I think it is.
	It's school by school.
	I really find it hard to believe.
	I'm not 100% sure.
	Okay.
	But they use a lot of current examples of the news, and invariably they throw in Trump, and they throw in Russia, and all kinds of things.
	But I heard this phrase, the third wave of feminism, and I questioned, so what were the other two?
	And the first one that is being taught, or at least discussed in these universities, but I think it's being taught too, was suffragettes.
	Which was really, women need to be equal to men.
	And that's not exactly how that went down, because that was about land.
	It was about mostly land and voting.
	Land and voting.
	The second wave is the Jane Fonda's and Anita Bryant's.
	And I said, well, what do you categorize that?
	And within, no doubt, no question, oh, that's, we hate men.
	That's what the second wave is now considered.
	Would you agree with that?
	I was quite young, so I don't know.
	Not really.
	Yeah, I didn't think it was that.
	Tina agreed, though.
	She said, oh, yeah, that was about hating you.
	Yeah, there really stems from some writers.
	It's writers that caused this.
	It wasn't, you know, these celebrities.
	And it was an intellectual movement that began in probably the late 50s.
	Uh-huh.
	The man-hating part, I think, maybe evolved from it, but there were other issues.
	It wasn't just about hating men.
	I think it was more hating men.
	Kind of in the 2.5 era, where you have your Janine Garofalo's and people that just bitch about everything.
	You know, they're just hostile.
	Right.
	Yes.
	Well, and this hostility, and millennials in my life, they listen to the show, I have to say, and are very pleased to hear different thinking and stuff they start to agree with.
	But when I said, you know, what about this third wave?
	Well, this is the obligation that the third wave feminists feel the obligation to educate.
	To educate, particularly men, particularly white men, particularly straight, cisgender.
	Educate or lecture?
	Well, the word is educate.
	Ben, I think lecture would be friendlier.
	Educate.
	I need to educate you.
	Reeks of Nazism.
	Reeks of fascism.
	Reeks of re-education.
	Reeks of all kinds of bad things.
	But that is the term.
	You need to educate.
	So you don't make these mistakes again.
	Topple the patriarchy.
	These things.
	The patriarchy.
	I said, well, I had nothing to do with all this.
	I'm just following along.
	I'm a mother lover.
	I'm not a hater.
	I'm not a fighter.
	Yeah, but you need to be re-educated.
	And I find this disturbing.
	Yes, you do.
	Now I understand the woman in the Portland shopping spot about the Confederate flag rug.
	She went in to educate the people in there, because she was filming it, apparently from the get-go.
	She went in to say, hey, I'm educating you.
	Don't you know your history?
	Remember all the things?
	We didn't play it on the show, and maybe we should have, but screw it.
	By now, everyone hopefully has seen this video.
	I don't think so.
	My wife just saw it like yesterday.
	Well, by now, she has seen it, so this is case in point.
	You argue it makes no sense.
	It doesn't.
	But what is interesting now is the wrap-up of this.
	She's doing interviews, and I have a local news report from Portlandia area.
	Portlandia TV, I think.
	So in this you really hear not only the education part, we need to talk about this needs to be done, we need to educate, but also the extreme exaggeration in the word she uses of being attacked by these men and just horrible experience as a woman in particular.
	And anyone who's seen the video, what did Mimi say?
	Well, she said, hey, you gotta see this video, this crazy woman.
	She says, you won't believe it.
	I love Mimi listens to the show with such religion.
	She doesn't listen to the show at all.
	Only Jay listens to the show, and every time we mention her name, she gives me grief.
	She gets mad.
	No, she gave me mad.
	I don't throw everything out, she says to me.
	I said, what are you talking about?
	She just did it.
	I said, what are you talking about?
	She says, you said that I'd throw everything out.
	I stopped doing that, she says.
	Oh, didn't notice it.
	Well, you would notice that there was more or less anyway.
	Yeah, it's true.
	Here's the local report with an interview with this social justice warrior.
	Hillary supporter, Bernie supporter, which one do you vote for at last?
	An ugly exchange on Heather Franklin's Facebook live video after she'd pointed out a Confederate flag-designed rug for sale in the store.
	I would not have confronted with kids with me if I would have known that the reaction was going to be violent like that.
	And then...
	That was really scary.
	Franklin says those employees followed her into the parking lot.
	I was very shocked.
	I mean, to be called a b**** by any employee is kind of harsh, to be flipped off.
	Store management says the rug never should have made it to the sales floor.
	We do not order these rugs by any particular style.
	We buy 150 to 200 of them at a time.
	They come in every six, eight weeks.
	When I came in and saw the video, I was upset.
	Store president Andrew Toulson says store management is now discussing punishment for the employees in that video.
	These are two good employees who've been with the company a long time, and obviously they handled the situation very poorly.
	I'd love to talk to her and make it right and let her know that we are not, you know, a racist organization or we have nothing that's as far from who we are as can be.
	Meanwhile, another employee in the store at the time of the incident wasn't concerned about that rug's presence.
	It's all of exaggeration, you know.
	It wouldn't affect you.
	It wouldn't affect anyone.
	Unless you're looking for trouble, then you're finding trouble.
	But it doesn't bother anyone.
	You know history, you don't want it, you don't buy it.
	But Franklin felt she had to say something.
	There's absolutely no reason to say that that's okay to see that at the store, you know.
	So, yeah, for me, I wasn't going to walk out of it.
	She's nuts.
	Well, she's nuts.
	Like a hero.
	When Mimi called, I thought the whole thing was staged.
	I didn't think it at first.
	And then I started thinking more and more about it.
	Sadly, it's not staged.
	Well, it's pathetic then.
	People should go see this video.
	Did you put a link in the show notes last time?
	I did.
	I did.
	People need to go to the show notes.
	Definitely figure their way around the show notes and watch this thing if they haven't seen it already.
	And one more thing.
	It is fantastic.
	Yeah, it's great.
	It's entertaining from beginning to end.
	Yeah.
	And recall that she was really calling them out.
	I'm posting this.
	Yeah, they're here in park and whatever street address.
	While I was watching Adam Curtis' documentary...
	Oh, by the way, just before we leave that topic completely, I should mention, if these guys are smart, they could have handled it on the spot by saying, what?
	So you're against the fact that we put the Confederate flag on the ground and people stomp all over it and stomp and stomp it, and you don't like us?
	So what are you, some sort of a racist?
	Oh, wait.
	Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh my gosh.
	Hold on a second.
	Let me see.
	Yes, I think it's coming through.
	Yes, John, Hill and Knowlton on the line for you.
	They'd love for you to join their crisis team because you are so good at it.
	Thank you.
	To wrap this up for today, there's all kinds of interesting little reports that are going on.
	My favorite is, we don't have to get into it, but you know, the small house movement, the tiny house movement that people are into.
	Let's be really minimalist.
	Is this a TV show?
	Yeah, you know what that is now?
	Excuse me.
	That is poverty appropriation and it's not okay.
	I'm not kidding.
	It's poverty appropriation.
	No one has done that.
	And the University of Arizona has now set up a little extra cash work study program as you can become a social justice advocate.
	And if you witness...
	As a social justice advocate, if you witness any social injustice, you are to report that, and you can get 15 hours a week of social justice advocate work at $10 an hour from the university.
	So that's about $600 a month.
	And that is reporting on your fellow students for bias.
	Yes, snitch.
	Brown shirts.
	And it starts at the universities.
	And before you know it, I could get kicked out of the apartment building.
	If anyone heard the shit I say.
	You could?
	The bias incident report office.
	Beautiful.
	Your apartment building has a bias incident report?
	No, but that's next.
	That's next.
	You know it's coming.
	Of course it is.
	This is where Cuba...
	Hey, comrade.
	Now back to the Adam Curtis documentary.
	There's one thing that stuck out, and you may have seen it, you don't remember, it doesn't matter.
	It's called hyper-normalization.
	And in it, it talks a lot about the control of the computer industry, the financial industry, and the computer industry.
	And when you look at Europe, the European Union, it really comes together in your head.
	The U.S. is not great, but with the EU, the way it was set up was all around finances, and screw you.
	That's why no No one has any power in government.
	The banks determine what goes on there, the financial institutions.
	But in the early days of the computers, there was one particular chatbot that really kind of kicked it all off, created by a guy in the MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab, Joseph Weisenbaum.
	Oh!
	Joseph, you know him?
	Oh yeah.
	No, I don't know him.
	I don't know him personally.
	You know of him.
	You know of him.
	Oh yeah, he's famous.
	And Weisenbaum had created a chatbot named Eliza.
	And what he realized, and Eliza was based on a very simple script, which even if you listen to Hal from 2001 Odyssey.
	He used to play it in the 70s.
	What?
	Eliza.
	Oh, the game, yes.
	And I've played it.
	I remember when the webs first cranked up, that was one of the first things, oh, there's a website and you can talk to Eliza.
	And what Eliza does is recognize certain keywords in your question or whatever you type, and it then answers something, usually with another question, based upon your input.
	So, I'm feeling lonely.
	Eliza would say, why do you feel lonely?
	Well, I got a problem with my dad.
	What is it about your dad that you have a problem with?
	So it goes on and on and on.
	And what Weisenheimer...
	Weisenbaum...
	Weisenheimer.
	What Joseph Weisenheimer realized when he let his secretary sit down and use this, then he hadn't told her what it was doing.
	Within a couple of minutes, he said, excuse me, could you please leave the room?
	Because it's kind of personal, the stuff that I'm doing here.
	So people really opened up.
	And his conclusion from the Alliance of Chatbot is that people love interacting with technology when it mirrors themselves.
	And then, boom!
	Everything fired off.
	The neurons went off in my head.
	Welcome to the selfie generation.
	Now I understand there's something with...
	And people can make a lot of money with this knowledge.
	And I'm pretty sure that the Facebook people, they figured it out.
	I don't know if they've gone back to the science of Eliza.
	But wow!
	There is something within us that we want to see ourselves because that makes us feel comfortable.
	It makes us feel good about our life and everything when we see ourself in everything we do.
	And this has, to a certain extent, With the access to mirroring, let's just call it mirroring technologies, we have an entire generation and a part of a previous generation who are all in on this mirroring technology who are sick and are so ill that I think the rule of thumb is the more selfies, the more unsure you are in life.
	It sounds logical, but here...
	Oh, let me write, that's a winner.
	Colin?
	Make a time...
	I don't know if I can do it.
	You need a string to do it.
	Make a time code because that's actually kind of interesting.
	Well, the time code is even better.
	The time code is 2 hours 34 minutes and 56 seconds.
	Okay, good.
	Nice.
	Anyway, finish this thought.
	It's a good thought.
	You have a thing about selfies.
	It seems as though you hate them.
	Oh, no.
	I'm just fascinated.
	Well, like this woman, like the woman who went in, I think she, looking at that video again from the Confederate rug story, Confederate flag rug story, I think she had a selfie stick when she came out.
	And she's talking about, oh, look here, look here.
	And to me, that phenomenon, a selfie stick, it just blows my mind.
	And she's showing herself.
	I'm really scared right now.
	And maybe a lot of this was kicked off by Blair Witch Hunt.
	Blair Witch Project.
	That's what it was.
	Blair Witch Project.
	Because that kind of had the early personal video recorders, like close up.
	Okay, right here is very frightening.
	And it was very real, even though we know it wasn't real.
	It was a groundbreaking film or use of cinematography.
	Yeah, it was.
	It made most people sick.
	You couldn't really watch it very long.
	Yeah.
	So I wish I had a real big conclusion there, John.
	I wish I did.
	But I think the...
	You dropped a ball on me.
	Well, I think the takeaway is self-mirroring or mirroring technologies.
	So not social networks.
	These are mirroring networks.
	The algorithms now know that you want things about yourself.
	You want things that you...
	It's the echo chamber is another way of saying it.
	But it comes from this fundamental human need And the more people do it, the less sure they are of themselves and of themselves in the world.
	And it shows severe mental illness.
	How's that for a wrap-up?
	Ooh.
	Ooh.
	That is the, there you go.
	Yeah.
	That's the kicker.
	Now, I only got one more topic I think we should, no, we have a little time left.
	You got something here?
	Yeah, I got plenty.
	All right.
	A couple things that you mentioned, what you just mentioned, your whole thing right there plays right into this.
	This is the clip, Rent a Family.
	Rent a Family.
	We end tonight in Japan, where a growing number of people are renting people to pose as family and friends.
	Adriana Diaz has the story.
	Ruichi Ichinokawa runs something called a rental family company, and business has never been better.
	For a fee, he and his staff will impersonate your parents, your boss, even your spouse.
	Have you ever been discovered?
	Never.
	Never?
	It might sound strange, but Ichinokawa's business was immortalized in a 2012 documentary called Rent-A-Family, Inc.
	He says his business helps clients navigate the tricky norms of Japanese society.
	Why is there so much demand for renting fake family members?
	The Japanese obsess over etiquette, manners, and appearances a lot more than Americans do, he said.
	For my clients, not violating protocol is extremely important.
	He recently posed as a pregnant woman's father because her real dad disapproved of her engagement.
	She says he saved the marriage.
	Across town, another rental's in progress.
	For $10 an hour, a proudly unhip, middle-aged guy will let you vent and offer his worldly wisdom.
	This time, self-proclaimed old fogey Takenobu Nishimoto is serving up life lessons.
	Today, it's dating advice.
	Nishimoto sees clients almost daily.
	Proving over the hill is underrated.
	It's because I'm a total stranger that clients can unload even deep, dark secrets, he told us.
	They'll say, I can't breathe a word of this to anyone I know.
	In Japan's unusual rental universe, sometimes the services are provided on four legs instead of two.
	At Tokyo's Dog Heart Shop, patrons pluck down cash to hang out with oodles of poodles, beagles, and a golden retriever named Rika.
	Japanese are uncomfortable about borrowing things like a dog or a car from a friend, said owner Yukiko Tsuchiya, so it's simpler to rent from a company.
	Delivery worker Yoshido Yamaguchi is one of her most loyal customers.
	He travels an hour each way every month to get his canine fix.
	Playing with dogs is relaxing, he told us.
	It gives me energy to get back to work.
	For the pet-deprived and the status-obsessed, the lovelorn and the confused, in Japan at least, you can rent for that.
	Some Japanese are odd.
	Some?
	Oodles of poodles.
	I like that.
	Oodles of poodles.
	Hmm.
	Well, there is something in the U.S. which is as odd, which is happening now as well, called sologamy.
	No.
	Yes.
	Sologamy.
	And a woman just married herself under this guise.
	I'm a sologamist.
	Which means you...
	Now you're on to something.
	Yeah.
	Sologamy.
	How do you spell that?
	Sologamy.
	Oh, solo, obviously.
	I don't know if it's sologamy or sologamy, however you would want to pronounce it.
	Nuts is how I'd pronounce it.
	I-N-U-T-S. Yeah, I have a story on it.
	Let me see.
	Eric Anderson.
	I would describe it as women saying yes to themselves.
	It means that we are enough, even if we are not partnered with someone else.
	Okay, fine.
	Yeah, she got married in Brooklyn.
	Self-marriage or sologamy is growing, partly because it's popping up in pop culture, like when an episode of Sex and the City floated the idea.
	That's not very new, is it?
	Marry Yourself in Canada offers consulting and wedding photography.
	There's also imarriedme.com.
	Uh-oh.
	Let's take a look at this fine outfit.
	Imarriedme.com.
	This is where you can say, I am married.
	Yeah, I'm married.
	Oh, that's nice.
	Yeah, you are reason to celebrate.
	A roadmap to positivity.
	Our I Married Me kit has all you need to create your own ceremony, including a self wedding ring, vows, and daily affirmation cards.
	You know what the daily affirmation card says?
	Go fuck yourself, is what it says.
	Sorry.
	Well, because you're married.
	I'm sorry.
	That was the worst punchline ever.
	I don't have anything to do.
	Ah, yes.
	Big news, and I'm very, very excited what the actual ruling will be.
	The United States announced in March that electronic devices larger than mobile phones would be banned from aircraft cabins on flights from eight Muslim-majority nations.
	US officials said the ban wasn't introduced because of a specific threat, but was based on concerns that planes might be targeted by jihadists carrying explosives concealed inside laptops or tablets.
	This week, the US Department of Homeland Security said it was close to a decision on whether to extend the ban to Europe.
	The EU says it's holding urgent talks with its American counterparts to discuss the issue.
	Transport commissioners have written to the Secretary of Homeland Security to seek clarification.
	The European Commission says there are no indications that any new threat has prompted the proposal.
	What I want to remind you of is that there is no announcement by the US authorities yet as to the extent and as to the more exact plans for this ban.
	But this is something that has been brought to our attention and we obviously continue our very close cooperation with the US authorities on this as well as on other issues.
	European airlines and governments are concerned about the potential impact an extension of the ban might have on what's one of the world's busiest aviation transport routes.
	There's a lot of confusion about this, mainly due to lack of information.
	Yeah.
	Now, here's why I'm interested in the story.
	When they placed the ban on the eight predominantly Muslim countries, it was because of the airports, but mainly because of their airlines and the security those airlines implement.
	And it did not include U.S. carriers.
	U.S. carriers, well, you could just take your laptop, no problem.
	My reaction, you had a different response.
	You said, so we can sort through all the gear when we collect it from everybody.
	I still think it's a putting everybody on notice.
	We're in charge of the skies.
	We're going to make it very difficult for you to fly.
	And if this ruling...
	Turns out to be true, if it does happen, and it's for all flights, I'll have to rescind that argument.
	Then I'll go back, then I'll go to your side saying, geez, this is an intelligence operation.
	If it is non-US airlines only, then I think that I can agree that this is commercial wrangling.
	Right.
	You'd almost think that all these stories about the airlines treating their passengers like crap would be a part of it.
	I'm not sure.
	You heard about the woman, forced to pee in a cup!
	I don't remember this one.
	Headlined, oh, they made me pee in a cup!
	I wish I had audio of that, but now I have the story.
	It was a humiliating experience for this passenger on a United Airlines flight.
	I was very embarrassed.
	Nicole Harper, a nurse who has a bladder condition, says she wasn't allowed to use the bathroom because of air turbulence.
	I told them at that point that I would either need to use the restroom or I would need a cup to pee in.
	And they handed me, at that point, they handed me a cup.
	That's right.
	She says they told her to use a cup.
	No!
	No!
	She said, I need a cup or I need to go to the bathroom.
	They lied in this very report.
	A nurse who has a bladder condition says she wasn't allowed to use the bathroom because of air turbulence.
	I told them at that point that I would either need to use the restroom or I would need a cup to pee in.
	I think...
	I think...
	That this woman was treated extremely nicely by the flight attendants, by the cabin crew.
	They should not be standing up either.
	Woman, have you never read how many people get seriously injured during freaky turbulence, which seems to happen with some regularity?
	And this is for your safety and the safety of other passengers around you because if you get some turbulence and you fly up and then you're going to come back down again on somebody else.
	And you said, well, I need to go or I need a cup.
	I said, alright, I'm going to risk my life here and other passengers, lady, to give you a damn cup, which she asked for.
	And they handed me, at that point, they handed me a cup.
	That's right.
	She says they told her to use a cup right in her seat.
	It happened on a flight from Houston to Kansas City.
	I was able to relieve myself in the cups, in my seat, in the aisle, around with, you know, my family and strangers around.
	In a statement today, United admits the incident was upsetting for all concerned.
	It's just the latest in what seems like an epidemic of trouble for the airline.
	See, it's a total non-story.
	It's fabrication.
	Fake news, in fact.
	Fake news.
	And exactly the opposite.
	It's a fake news story.
	I mean, this is the kind of crap reporting we're getting.
	I have one here, which has got bad information.
	It comes from the big network, CBS. And do you think they're going to give us bad information on CBS? Just a misreport to put a little effort into it, have an editor maybe?
	Well, that depends.
	CBS is the Central Intelligence Broadcasting Service.
	Do you think they have a shitty story about some other intelligence service?
	Try this clip.
	Next FBI director.
	The men and women of the FBI from doing the right thing.
	Current acting director Andrew McCabe is among possible Comey replacements.
	Those in consideration include Republican Senator John Cornyn of Texas, Alice Fisher, a former assistant attorney general, Judge Michael Garcia from New York State Court of Appeals, and Federal Judge Henry Hudson from Virginia.
	Four other top-level counterintelligence officials have also been interviewed.
	Another name added to the mix today, former Michigan Congressman Mike Rogers.
	He's been endorsed by the FBI Agents Association and is head of the House Intelligence Committee.
	Attorney General Jeff Sessions and his deputy are still vetting candidates, but once they make their recommendation, President Trump will select a nominee who will then seek Senate confirmation.
	Wait a minute.
	Wait a minute.
	Rogers isn't in government anymore.
	Hello?
	Yes, you're right.
	You caught it.
	It was so obvious.
	Wow.
	Thank you, CVS. That's great.
	He's not the head of the House Intelligence Committee.
	He's not even in Congress at all.
	In other words, they really want him in.
	That's what I'm thinking.
	Less than ten minutes to go.
	All right.
	Ten minute warning.
	Okay.
	Mike Rogers, the bonehead talk show host.
	Yeah.
	What a douche.
	His name shouldn't be Mike, it should be Seth.
	You want to hear something from Helena?
	Oh yes, how's Helena?
	Is she still following you on Twitter?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	She didn't listen to the show, but I think she knows you might.
	This is the World Economic Update.
	And this is actually an interesting story.
	It's a two-parter.
	The first clip's kind of short.
	With Helena.
	And Germany is under scrutiny, too, this year for its huge trade surplus.
	Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble is likely to face criticism at the summit.
	You said the short one, this is the short one.
	No, I meant the whole thing was short, kind of.
	Time now for some more business news with Helena.
	Otherwise you don't get to hear Helena.
	Oh, well, yeah, who cares about the non-Helena clip?
	Time now for some more business news with Helena, talking about global financial planning in a resort town in Italy.
	That's right, Christopher.
	There are worse places for it, I think, aren't there?
	Now, the G7 meeting of finance ministers is taking place in the Italian city of Bari, and it's got a wide-ranging agenda, including fighting inequality, cyber security, very pertinent at the moment, of course, and cutting off funding for terrorism.
	But U.S. Treasury Chief Steve Mnuchin was...
	The centre of attention as ministers seek more clarity about President Trump's policy plans.
	G7 partners urge the US to take their responsibility for the global economy more seriously, but not to threaten growth.
	While Trump's threatened to upset the group's consensus on issues, including climate change and protectionism, but the Italians have another agenda.
	Yeah.
	For host country Italy, one issue is at the top of the G7 agenda, fighting economic inequality.
	I want to draw your attention to growth and social inclusion.
	They've become a key topic of the G7 and the G20. I am happy that Italy is pursuing these issues.
	Growth cannot happen without social inclusion.
	Rome's interest isn't entirely unmotivated.
	Brussels has just ranked Italy last in the EU in terms of growth.
	So now I'm listening to all this, and the other clip, the one that you almost played, actually is a better example of what is going on.
	The United States, oh, United States, we've got to condemn them.
	We're always into growth.
	What are they talking about?
	Because growth is the big theme in this particular G7. And so it was like, Oh, it's because we're thinking of doing some protectionism.
	We can't do that.
	Just an ounce of protectionism.
	And then the Italians, it turns out, as they said in the report, that the EU condemned them for having zero growth.
	So the Italians are going, well, it's because we need more equality.
	It's not our fault.
	They're Italians.
	The worst one, and they don't bring this up on the show, but there's DW, by the way.
	And the worst one is the last clip, which is about what Germany is all about.
	And Germany is under...
	You mean Germany?
	Germany.
	And Germany is under scrutiny, too, this year for its huge trade surplus.
	Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble is likely to face criticism at the summit.
	His main goal is to stop the scramble to lower taxes after the U.S. and Britain announced plans to reduce corporate tax rates to boost growth.
	Oh, yes.
	Boost.
	Boost.
	Boost the growth.
	So here's the deal.
	So Germany, which has this outrageous trade surplus, they don't want us lowering our taxes from the highest in the world at 35 percent because, God, we might actually kick it up a notch and they won't be able to compete.
	Right.
	So, oh, so, no, the big thing is to, no, no, no, no, don't change your taxes.
	I mean, all these guys are in it for themselves.
	Who was representing the United States there?
	Tillerson?
	Mnuchin.
	Oh, Mnuchin.
	Well, that wasn't the conference to be at.
	And I couldn't find many reports from the conference, and I only noticed it because of you.
	I learned it by looking you, okay?
	Okay.
	The Belt and Road Forum in Beijing.
	That would be the good one.
	Oh my goodness!
	And who was prominently not there?
	United States.
	Vladimir Putin's on stage talking.
	Everybody's up there.
	Fifi Lagarde!
	You know, when I first heard about the Road and Belt Initiative...
	And I have to say, Fifi Lagarde is Christine Lagarde.
	She's the IMF head for new listeners.
	You know, when I first heard about the Road and Belt Initiative and read about it...
	Of course you think of silk.
	I thought of silk.
	Yes.
	But I thought of tea.
	Why tea?
	White tea.
	Well, because it's whether you are in Beijing, whether you're in Moscow, whether you're in London, whether you're in Nairobi, or whether you are pretty much anywhere, Jakarta or Marrakesh.
	Tea is shared.
	Tea is necessary.
	Tea is inclusive.
	And tea is an instrument of cooperation amongst the people.
	For centuries, tea has brought cultures, community and people together.
	It has also connected economies through trade and investment.
	And only recently, Chinese scientists have unlocked the genetic secret of the tea plant, raising the prospect that we may soon enjoy a range of new flavors.
	I'm just going to stop it there.
	Jeez!
	This is very obvious.
	Is she stoned?
	That's exactly what this is about.
	She doesn't mean tea.
	It's a metaphor.
	We're going to have lots of new flavors.
	It's about heroin.
	White tea?
	Hello?
	This is about heroin, John.
	This is a global heroin conspiracy, also known as tea.
	And she said, oh, scientists just, did you know about the, you drink tea, did you know the scientists unlocked the magic of tea, the DNA, and now we'll have different flavors?
	Maybe she's talking about fentanyl.
	Flavor crystals?
	Because, you know, China white is fentanyl.
	There you go.
	It could be fentanyl, but it makes more sense in my story if it's the real deal.
	It could be.
	But maybe because we're not there, perhaps, hey, we've got to fight these bros over there with their real heroin.
	Let's kick it up a notch.
	Well, it seems to me that I don't think the world wants to keep letting the CIA run this whole thing, and they like to do it themselves, and they can make fentanyl.
	Getting it out of themselves.
	It does the same thing.
	We just need to re...
	We've got the genetics.
	We've got to get it so it's not killing people.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, when you're standing in Beijing, which last time I checked is China, and the slang for heroin is China white, have you come up with this cockamamie...
	Fentanyl is China white.
	Heroin is China white.
	Turns out that the China white's always been fentanyl.
	Okay.
	Well, they must be making it then.
	And then you say, oh, scientists have figured out, oh, we can make different flavors.
	Heroin speech.
	Now I think you're unhinged.
	I am.
	But I like it.
	Where am I going with tea?
	Yeah, where are you going?
	Well, the Belt and Road Initiative holds similar promise.
	It is about connecting culture.
	It is about connecting communities.
	It is about enriching economies and improving the standard of living of people.
	Yeah.
	With heroin.
	Now that you mention it, this stupid speech about tea is idiotic.
	Yes.
	So it has to be in code.
	Yes, and I think you actually have put me on a different thinking here.
	We're rushing out to go bomb Afghanistan.
	We got everyone ready to go harvest the poppies.
	We got the wall set up straight for all the imports once it's processed.
	The Chinas are going, hey, damn, there goes our fentanyl sales, man.
	And then she comes in and says, hey, the Silk Road, you're going to have all this access.
	It's going to make everybody rich.
	Life will be better.
	Yeah.
	Have you ever done heroin?
	Life's better for a little while.
	It is also about adding new economic flavors by creating...
	I mean, please!
	She's saying it!
	Economic flavors!
	Infrastructure projects, both hard and soft.
	What's soft infrastructure?
	Drug routes.
	What is soft infrastructure?
	Dirt roads.
	Using the techniques of the 21st century.
	Fentanyl.
	And good governance principles.
	Okay.
	Well, that's just my thinking.
	Yeah.
	You're unhinged, man.
	I am unhinged, but keep your eye on it.
	You got anything else or are we done?
	I'm through.
	Okay.
	Billboard Music Awards tonight, I think.
	Am I not mistaken?
	You're going to be hosting?
	And in the morning, in Chinese for you, sir.
	Yeah, I will not be a host.
	And me and Daisy Fuentes.
	Yep.
	Beautiful.
	But you never know, things do happen on show days.
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