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	Mr.
	Tick, that's right.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	And Thursday, January 5th, 2017, this is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 8, 9, or 2.
	This is no agenda.
	Listening to Clapper Clap is trapped on a show day and broadcasting live from the darkest corners of the internet here in FEMA Region 6, Austin Tejas.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where they're dragging garbage cans all over the place today, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	No, you really have stopped, Plato says.
	It's really over.
	Yeah, it's a new year.
	That's something.
	I'm putting him in a little book, and we're going to have a Plato says book.
	Plato says giblet, you mean.
	Giblet.
	Yeah, giblet.
	I may put it out in CreateSpace or one of these.
	Amazon has a bunch of ways.
	CreateSpace, yeah.
	CreateSpace is a pretty good deal.
	Yeah, you could be rich.
	You could be rich publishing your own stories.
	That's right, you could win.
	So I heard you on the recorder.
	What was this?
	Was this on some other show?
	Yeah, you were doing stuff in the intro, man.
	What are you talking about?
	Yes, of course.
	You told me to.
	Yes, I did.
	Have you practiced at all on your recorder, John?
	I don't know.
	I do not practice recorder.
	I am a natural.
	I play by ear.
	Oh, yeah, I can tell.
	It's great.
	I got my recorder yesterday.
	Yeah.
	I have a Yamaha Alto.
	You got a Yamaha?
	I did, man.
	Well, you went all out.
	Yeah.
	Well, here's what happened.
	I told you that if I get the thing in my hand, I bet you I can play the song I learned 37 years ago.
	You didn't bet me.
	No, I think I said, I bet you I can do that.
	Hold on.
	Okay, here we go.
	Here we go, ladies and gentlemen.
	The show has stopped for the purposes of a formal presentation of a song on the recorder by Adam Curry.
	I think I need a little reverb.
	Hold on.
	Are you going to juice it up with your machine?
	Yeah, you can't.
	You've got to reverb.
	Oh, my.
	ahem Hold on.
	Almost there.
	music music music music
	So, So, I pull the thing out of the box.
	I do that pretty much the way I just did it.
	And you know what Tina says?
	Aw, geez, now I'm living with John C. Dvorak.
	Oh, great.
	So that's how much respect she has for your playing.
	My playing is clearly better.
	I mean, I'm sorry.
	I think that's quite amazing that the muscle memory is there after 37 years.
	And I know what your problem is.
	You're blowing too hard, man.
	No, no, no, no.
	Like, breathe into it.
	No, no, just breathe.
	Just breathe.
	Just breathe.
	No.
	Okay, never mind.
	I'll work with you after the show.
	And I'll tell you something.
	I'm not blowing too hard.
	It's this particular fine instrument which is made out of Bakelite.
	It's called...
	The brand is First Note.
	The chatroom had the best remark.
	Said no man ever.
	What?
	Well, when I said don't blow so hard, the chatroom said no man ever.
	Oh.
	You have to have sex to understand the joke.
	Uh-huh.
	All righty, good.
	Okay, good.
	Okay.
	That's a tonette.
	Yes, yes.
	You can put it down now.
	It's fine.
	All right, in the morning, everybody.
	Today is the fifth day of the year of our Lord, 2017.
	This morning, all morning long, we have very, very in-depth hearings about the Russian hacks.
	Everybody's up on the hill talking, kind of saying nothing.
	Did you see any of it this morning?
	Oh, okay.
	Clapper's opening statement, just a little bit of that.
	He is the Director of National Intelligence.
	Yeah, here we go.
	We also see cyber threats challenging public trust and confidence in information services and institutions.
	Russia has clearly assumed an even more aggressive cyber posture by increasing cyber espionage operations.
	I love cyber posture.
	Let me just write that one down, actually.
	I like it.
	It's a good one.
	Cyber posture.
	What does that mean?
	Well, it's their posture.
	It's how they chip up your butt.
	Leaking data stolen from these operations and targeting critical infrastructure systems.
	China continues to succeed in conducting cyber espionage against the U.S. government, our allies, and U.S. companies.
	Intelligence community and security experts, however, have observed some reduction in cyber activity from China against U.S. companies since the bilateral September 2015 commitment to refrain from espionage for commercial gain.
	Iran and North Korea continue to improve their capabilities to launch disruptive or destructive cyberattacks to support their political objectives.
	Non-state actors, notably terrorist groups, most especially including ISIL, also continue to use the Internet to organize, recruit, spread propaganda, raise funds, collect intelligence, inspire action by disciples, and coordinate operations.
	So in this regard, I want to foot stomp a few points that I've made here before.
	What?
	He said he's going to foot stomp a few points.
	No, that's dumb.
	Why would he say that?
	He's going to foot stomp?
	Is that what he said?
	Yeah, I think so.
	Let's listen to that again.
	That was an interesting thing there.
	Hold on.
	Operations.
	So in this regard, I want to foot stomp a few points that I've made.
	I'll just kick you in the head.
	Hey, I want to kick you in the head so you realize this is it.
	Foot stomp.
	Like, boom!
	One of the things in this show that you're going to get is that I'm starting to notice stuff like this.
	In other words, these new phrases that kind of code that are thrown into the mix.
	I got a real beauty later.
	I can't wait.
	In this regard, I want to foot stomp a few points that I've made here before.
	Rapidly advancing commercial encryption capabilities have had profound effects on our ability to detect terrorists and their activities.
	We need to strengthen the partnership between government and industry and find the right balance to enable the intelligence community and law enforcement both to operate as well as to continue to respect the rights to privacy.
	Oh, yeah.
	Hey, if you can't even get to DNC to cooperate with you, you're not going to get industry to cooperate with you.
	Cyber operations can also be a means to change, manipulate, or falsify electronic data or information to compromise its integrity.
	Which I don't think we have a single instance or example of.
	Not that I know of.
	No, it hasn't been one-sided.
	I mean, they tried that with the DNC hack.
	Oh, this is, you know, they changed it.
	It might have changed it.
	It may not be the real deal.
	Data or information to compromise its integrity.
	Cyberspace can be an echo chamber in which information, ideas, or beliefs, true or false, get amplified or reinforced through constant repetition.
	All these types of cyber operations have the power to chip away at public trust and confidence in our information services and institutions.
	Quite a statement, I think.
	Quite a statement.
	Oh, it can chip away at the public trust.
	Okay.
	That was it?
	No, we'll have a...
	Now there was a question, and this is about the impact of fake news and...
	Oh, fake news.
	Can you talk a little bit about...
	There's a lot of fake news this week.
	All from the mainstream media.
	Of course, that's where it originates.
	Can you talk a little bit about the activities of the Russian government's English language propaganda outlets, RT, Sputnik, as well as the fake news activity we saw, as well as the social media, and how those paint a complete picture that is supplemental to what we saw with the hacking in this case?
	I appreciate your raising that.
	Asking what?
	What was that question?
	Well, he's talking about the influence that the Russian fake news propaganda media has.
	Okay.
	That's what you say.
	You're asking, raising that because, well, there has been a lot of focus on the hacking.
	This is actually part of a multifaceted campaign that the Russians mounted.
	And of course, RT, which is heavily supported by, funded by the Russian government, was very, very active in promoting A particular point of view, disparaging our system, our alleged hypocrisy about human rights, etc., etc.
	You sound like me with Tourette's, man.
	Crack, fissure they could find in our...
	Fishers.
	In our tapestry, if you will.
	Tapestry.
	Fishers in our tapestry.
	Wow, another one I've got to write down.
	Oh, man.
	Fishers in our tapestry.
	Now, is that spelled with...
	You know what?
	The guy's obviously been to the doctor.
	He has hemorrhoids.
	And these terms have kind of stuck in his brain.
	And is that fishing with PH or with F? No, fissures.
	F-I-S-S-U-R-I-E-S, I think, something like that.
	Oh, fissures.
	It's the problem that you have with hemorrhoids.
	He's got hemorrhoids, this guy.
	Find in our tapestry, if you will, they would exploit it.
	Tapestry now, codename for a-hole.
	I got a fissure in my tapestry.
	And I gotta tell you, I'm pissed.
	It would exploit it.
	And so all of these other modes, whether it's RT, use of social media, fake news.
	Fake news is a mode.
	Hey, John, could you switch the show to fake news mode, please?
	Okay, switching modes.
	Switching modes, all right.
	Oh, switch.
	Boop!
	Alright, we're now in fake news mode, everybody.
	They exercised all of those capabilities in addition to the hacking.
	And, of course, I think the totality of that, I think, regardless of what the impact was, which we can't gauge, just the totality of that effort, not only as D&I, but as a citizen, I think is of grave concern.
	How they gonna make news?
	In other words, hours and hours of useless drivel on the hill is typical.
	There was nothing there.
	I did get an email from our resident CISO, CISO, which of course is our cyber...
	What is CISO? Cyber...
	Cyber intelligence security officer.
	Cyber intelligence security officer, yes.
	And he is a real one.
	And he says, today I set aside an hour on my calendar to read the NCCICJAR, that's the joint assessment report, on the DNC hack.
	I have access to a slightly more classified version than civilians.
	Civilians get the TLP white, while I have access to the TLP amber.
	Ooh, the amber.
	Now he says it's not the tip-top, but it has a good deal more information than fully unclassified.
	This additional info includes detailed technical information about the hack.
	The hour I set aside on my calendar turned out to be overkill, since the entire report consisted of four pages of vague summaries.
	You can see that in the unclassified version.
	It has three pages of the same garbage, followed by ten pages of remediation techniques that any decent security person already knows cover to cover.
	Yeah.
	I'm just saying, this is what's in the Amber report.
	Yeah, it wasn't any different, is what he's saying.
	Well, there was some difference.
	There's a spreadsheet that came along with it of IP addresses of the attackers.
	He says, the thing is, the IPs are from all over the world, and I have a copy of it.
	There's a few in the Eastern Bloc, sure, but this is full of so many holes you could fly a Dreamliner through it and still have space to spare.
	My team came back and detected several of the C-2 IPs hitting our own network.
	He's in the U.S., I presume.
	They also noticed a few similarities in how FBI claims the Russians penetrated the DNC and how several of these IPs have attempted entry into our network.
	While our data is valuable, it is certainly not something an elite Russian hacking squad would go after.
	All good lies have a nugget of truth.
	Do I think these IPs and malware variants are made up?
	Of course not, but they are outdated.
	Common IPs and techniques and one of the most powerful hacking squads in the world would certainly have better tricks up their sleeve.
	And then, of course, he goes into the malware, which is, you know, what was detected was an outdated version of some Ukrainian stuff, which I think you can actually buy on the open market.
	Julian Assange mentioned this to Sean Hannity in his big interview, which proves nothing other than Assange apparently is still alive.
	There's nothing in that report that says that any information was given to us.
	Nothing.
	What they have is what they call indicators.
	A way to recognize if these tools, these alleged Russian tools, have been used on your system.
	In response to that, some engineer at one of the US electricity companies found this signature on one of their laptops.
	Okay, so then this was analyzed by a wide range of US computer security experts.
	I've read those reports in detail.
	And it's discovered this is a commercially available tool produced by Ukraine.
	So it's straight out of the bat.
	Interesting, he says, instead of straight off the bat, which is what we would say, he says straight out of the bat?
	Or out of the bat.
	No, bat, he says bat.
	Straight out of the bat?
	Yeah.
	I think, isn't it saying straight off the bat?
	Or right off the bat?
	Right off the bat.
	And is that a baseball term?
	Is that where that comes from?
	I would guess.
	The bat.
	We either have a deliberate attempt to mislead or thoroughly incompetent work.
	Straight out of the bat.
	Straight out of the bat.
	Play this clip.
	Play this clip.
	This is the lack of proof clip.
	This is more Russian propaganda from RT, but this seems to be true.
	The FBI never looked at the Democratic National Committee's hacked computer servers and yet still accuses Russia of being behind the attack.
	Wow.
	That's according to an article published online by BuzzFeed News.
	Oh.
	The DNC. The bastion of news.
	Apparently, nowadays.
	Just online by BuzzFeed News.
	The DNC's Deputy Communications Director, Eric Walker, reportedly told the online publication that while they met with representatives from the FBI on a number of occasions, the intelligence agency never requested access to their computer servers, the centerpiece of the investigation.
	One U.S. official told the site that no government entity has run independent forensic analysis of the DNC's systems.
	The FBI instead reportedly chose to outsource the task to a third-party security company called CrowdStrike in place of conducting its own analysis.
	Now, the most recent report released by the FBI again points the finger at Russia for having hacked the DNC. A White House spokesperson was questioned on Wednesday on the lack of proof presented in the document.
	You know, I wonder what the security community thinks of CrowdStrike.
	Because, you know, these are the guys with that bogative map.
	Yeah, that map with all the little arrows going back and forth, all the attacks going on.
	Yeah, I mean, we're looking at that saying, well, those aren't attacks.
	I mean, yeah, it could be port scanning, pinging, whatever.
	But it's not like, oh, my goodness.
	They make it look like those are actual attacks, like garrisons of cyber troops running in.
	Ray McGovern was on RT yesterday.
	The ex-CIA guy who's really, you know, kind of very straightforward.
	What did he do again?
	He's the guy.
	He's that old guy who comes out and says, ah, these guys are full of crap.
	And then he tells you how things really work.
	He's clearly fishing in your stream, then.
	Exactly.
	And so he says that the NSA continually calls this a DNC email.
	First of all, let's back up.
	And on the Hannity show, one of the things that came out of...
	Assange was that Podesta was the easiest to hack in the world.
	He uses the password password.
	Do you think that's really true?
	Well, because they have memos within the pile of Podesta emails that Assange published talking about how he forgot his password, and it was password.
	It was in there.
	And then he apparently forgets all his passwords.
	He can't remember anything.
	He's not really a computer guy.
	No.
	I mean, I don't blame these, especially that age group.
	There's an age group between the old farts and the millennium.
	How old is Podesta?
	Why don't you look him up in the book of knowledge while I continue.
	But Podesta's in that funny age group that never warmed up to computers, and I think he just doesn't know what he's doing.
	Which brings me back to a column I wrote in PC Magazine some years ago, which I will reprise in a newsletter, saying you should be licensed to use computers just like you're licensed to drive a car.
	Yes, yes.
	1949, so he's 67?
	Oh, okay, I'm wrong.
	I'm wrong.
	He's not in that age group.
	He's just in the old farts age group.
	He never got into computers to begin with.
	But anyway...
	McGovern says that the NSA keeps referring to it as a leak.
	They never say hacked.
	And leak means, as he describes it, and I agree, leak means somebody took a USB drive, put it up against the server, downloaded these emails, and then took it over and somehow Assange got the USB drive because the NSA would know if anything else was going on.
	And in fact, there's one clip I have here from another guy who was an ex.
	I got him this spook.
	Yeah, the spook commenting on NSA. Transparent attempt to deflect attention from the real issues.
	What we know about the NSA and its systems capabilities is that if it was in fact obtained by a Russian government asset, that the NSA would be able to know that very quickly and immediately.
	It provided absolutely not a shred of evidence that there was in fact I caught former CIA director James Woolsey.
	Woolsey, Woolsey, right?
	Was he a good guy?
	I don't really remember.
	Woolsey's working as an advisor to Trump.
	Ah, okay.
	That makes nothing but sense then.
	Okay.
	Hmm.
	All right.
	You should know that.
	I didn't realize that.
	Let me finish my one thought here with McGovern.
	If a guy took a USB drive and just stole the stuff from the DNC, we can just discard anything about the Podesta emails because it was apparently anyone could do.
	Some kid did that, obviously, or Assange himself for all you know.
	Is that the guy who so obviously did this was the guy that was execution-style shot in the back of the head and not robbed in Washington, D.C., who worked for the DNC, and nobody's talked about that guy ever again.
	And then, curiously, Assange has put up a fund to help him with his funeral expenses.
	Yes.
	I mean, that's the guy.
	It's just that two and two.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, you were saying.
	Yeah, I'm just thinking about some of the things I was studying over the past few days.
	And, you know, the Clinton body count seems to be rising, strangely enough.
	You'd hope they go away, but no.
	Let's listen to...
	Well, they're still worried about...
	I mean, even though Trump says he's not going to do anything about the Clinton Foundation, I believe that's bull crap.
	Oh, no.
	And I want to talk about that a bit later.
	Definitely.
	There's a lot of stuff going on.
	So here is CNN with Cuomo, of course, who hosts there on CNN. And Wolsey has, I think, you know, we were supposed to hear something from Donald Trump.
	It was supposed to be Tuesday, Wednesday.
	And then he said, well, you know, look, the intelligence agency's...
	Are not coming through.
	They're not giving me what I need.
	And of course, the reason they did that, the way I see it, is they wanted to have this hearing today to get the news cycle.
	And then Trump could say whatever he wanted because it'll just be, well, Trump said this and here's all these experts.
	Here's your intelligence community.
	And let's listen to what Woolsey says.
	I think it is more fair to you, Mr.
	Woolsey, because we've discussed this before on New Day, to say that you've never expressed any doubt about whether or not Russia was involved.
	You say that it's just a more complex picture.
	Who was involved?
	Who else was involved?
	What trickery is involved?
	Why they did it?
	That all of those are separate considerations.
	But I don't remember you, to my recollection, ever questioning the intelligence reports that Russia was involved here.
	Your comment.
	The intelligence reports usually say something more than somehow involved.
	But I want to go back to your initial use of the word behind, who is behind this.
	This is not an organized operation that is hacking into a target.
	It's not like taking a number at a bakery and standing in line to politely get your dozen cookies you want to buy.
	It's more like a bunch of jackals at the carcass of an antelope.
	Is it Russian?
	Probably some.
	Is it some Chinese?
	Iranian?
	Maybe?
	Who knows?
	Somebody may be getting more and more information about it.
	We may find out more from Mr.
	Trump coming up to today.
	We may find out more from the people in the intelligence community.
	But it shouldn't be portrayed as one guilty party.
	It's much more complicated than that.
	If it is, just a couple follow-up questions for you.
	The intelligence community has not communicated it the way you just did.
	They don't say, we think it's Russia and so, so, so.
	When Clapper came out in early October with his assessment of this, he included nobody else.
	He talked about Russia, and to what the president-elect may or may not say, as you know, it is reported that he was going to come out with what he knows.
	What can he know that the intelligence communities don't know?
	We do know that there's a mixed signal from his own team about whether or not he's gotten any intel reports about the hacking specifically, but what could he know that the intelligence agencies do not?
	Well, he could have people talking to him from within the system.
	I've had a couple talk to me.
	And when something like this drags on for a substantial period of time, people in the system sometimes will call you.
	And so I think the possibility that there's more than one country involved is really there.
	And I don't think people ought to say they know for sure that there's only one.
	I don't think they're likely to be proven correct.
	There you go.
	So it's not just one.
	They're just going to make it very confusing.
	Yeah, the whole thing is confusing.
	As far as I'm concerned, it's still the guy that's dead.
	Yeah.
	Just took a thumb drive, stuck it in, grabbed all that stuff, walked out with it, got caught, got shot.
	Yeah.
	Here's the NBC. Here's the NBC. You know, NBC's trying to keep this story alive.
	I think what's going to happen...
	So is CBS, by the way.
	I got a CBS clip that'll show that.
	Well, this is the NBC rundown.
	Let's try this transition background.
	Let me just make my prediction, which is that they're going to try to keep this thing boosted to get...
	To give Trump a lot of, you know, like, just to instill the public with this notion until it's kind of stuck in there.
	And then when the Trump transition team actually takes over and they put a new guy as the head of the director of national intelligence, get rid of Clapper, who is a liar.
	Yes.
	And then they're going to kind of say, hey, this was all bogus, and they're going to find, it's going to turn, and no one's going to pay any attention to that, and the news isn't going to cover it.
	It sounds about right.
	Let's listen to NBC....don't know about the cyber attacks during the U.S. election.
	This as his advisers continue to question U.S. intelligence about Russia's involvement.
	NBC's Kristen Welker has details.
	Tonight, new fallout after that cryptic New Year's Eve statement by President-elect Donald Trump that he might have more information to reveal about those hacking allegations against Russia.
	I also know things that other people don't know, and so they cannot be sure of the situation.
	And I want them to be sure.
	Today, the president-elect's team pressed for details about what Mr.
	Trump knows and whether he'll make it public before his midweek meeting with intelligence officials.
	What does he know, Sean?
	Well, you know, we'll wait till Tuesday or Wednesday.
	What we're really trying to figure out is, how certain are they of the intelligence, number one?
	And number two, how proportional is the response to what happened?
	On Sunday, a plane carrying 35 expelled Russian diplomats left the United States, part of President Obama's retaliation against Russia after he says the country hacked the emails of some top Democrats.
	All of it setting up a potential showdown between Mr.
	Trump, who has cast doubt on Russia's involvement, and Congress, including some members of his own party.
	It is clear that Russia has attacked the United States of America.
	Big shock!
	Hey, by the way, McCain, I was watching this body language expert on YouTube, and obviously it doesn't make any sense to play this on the show because you really need to see it.
	She...
	She did an analysis of McCain, and he was doing a wreath laying somewhere with Lindsey Graham, and she said, this guy, in his own mind, is acting like he was elected president.
	And her conclusion was...
	It's possible he knows that something's going to happen and he's going to be on deck somehow.
	I don't know how, but he's acting like he's running the whole show.
	They put him in charge.
	Who the hell knows?
	Intelligence agencies will...
	He's just deluded.
	Oh, but he's dangerous.
	He's dangerous, this guy.
	He's dangerous.
	He's deluded.
	Lindsey Graham should be voted out.
	And you know they have their new girl now.
	Oh, who's this?
	Because they lost the other one.
	Ayotte?
	Did they lose it?
	Ayotte.
	They lost Ayotte because she lost the election because she was a douchebag.
	So now their new girl, because they have to have a girl.
	Of course.
	Amy Klobuchar.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Do I know her?
	Yes.
	Dingbat.
	She's way worse than Kelly Ayotte.
	Oh, gosh.
	Okay.
	Meaning the case.
	President-elect Trump, he wishes the Russia issue would go away.
	But Republican hawks on Capitol Hill, like Senator John McCain, they're going to make sure it doesn't.
	The president-elect is also drawing battle lines in other areas, making his intentions clear at a New Year's Eve party at his Florida resort over the weekend.
	We're going to do a good job.
	Regulations are coming off.
	We're going to get rid of Obamacare.
	On Wednesday, President Obama will head to Capitol Hill to strategize with Democrats about ways to preserve Obamacare.
	And earlier today, he announced to deliver a farewell address in Chicago next Tuesday.
	Kate.
	Kristen Welker following the transition.
	Kristen.
	Okay.
	I have a CBS report similar, only this report shows that all the intelligence agencies agree with CBS, who, of course, is the broadcast arm of the Central Intelligence Agency.
	CBS News.
	CIA broadcasting system is what it means.
	Yes, exactly.
	CBS News has learned that over the last few days, U.S. officials have begun investigating new and potentially successful cyber intrusions, raising concerns that the Russian hacks might have been more extensive than originally thought.
	And government analysts are still investigating if Russian hackers successfully breached Vermont's electrical grid.
	Malicious code found on a...
	They're still talking about this, even though it's been debunked, you know, like a week ago.
	Malicious code found on a utility company laptop has been traced to what they call Grizzly Step, a widespread cyber espionage operation linked to Russia.
	Gee, this is nonsense.
	A widespread cyber espionage network linked to Russia.
	A widespread cyber espionage operation linked to Russia.
	Well, I just want them to be sure, because it's a pretty serious charge.
	But President-elect Donald Trump continues to express doubt about Russia's involvement.
	I know a lot about hacking.
	Hacking is a very hard thing to prove, so it could be somebody else.
	And I also know things that other people don't know, and so they cannot be sure of the situation.
	Mr.
	Trump promised new information on Tuesday or Wednesday, but Sean Spicer, the Trump transition spokesman, seemed to walk that back.
	Well, it's not a question of necessarily revealing.
	Remember, the president-elect is privy to a lot of classified information, intelligence reports.
	He gets briefed by his national security team on a daily basis.
	But it is unclear where...
	Wait a minute!
	I thought he refused!
	He doesn't want to have the briefings!
	Not possible!
	But it is unclear where Mr.
	Trump or his national security team is getting their intelligence reports.
	Jeff, all U.S. intelligence agencies are in agreement that the Russian government, with the blessing of Vladimir Putin, orchestrated aggressive cyberattacks prior to and during the U.S. election.
	Okay, well, we'll hold your feet to the fire on that one.
	My favorite quote, I think it was from Obama, he was reiterating this, they all agree.
	He says, and that's so rare that they'd all agree.
	That's the giveaway.
	They never all agree.
	Exactly.
	So why are they suddenly all agreeing on this one thing, which is sketchy?
	Yeah.
	It makes zero sense that these guys, they just keep doing this.
	It's just like, it's unbelievable to me.
	And in the Dutch newspaper yesterday, big news that of the 900 IP addresses that are in that Amber report, 140 of them were located in the Netherlands.
	Those bastards!
	I think we should start sanctions against the Netherlands!
	Kick out the ambassador.
	That's right.
	And put me in.
	God, I'd love to be ambassador.
	Oh my God.
	You'd be a good ambassador.
	Oh, I'd be fantastic.
	Ambassador to the United States in Amsterdam.
	Oh my God.
	Partey.
	That's what else would you do?
	Partey.
	Supposedly the best job is the ambassador to the Vatican.
	How about the ambassador to Jamaica is what I'm thinking.
	Well, that would be...
	That would really do it.
	Yeah, but you can get shot down there.
	Yeah, it is kind of bad.
	The ambassador's not real popular.
	Yeah, you're right.
	You're right.
	The Vatican's got the best wine.
	Yeah.
	And does that mean you get to sample it as an ambassador?
	I guess so.
	That's all you do is have dinners.
	Yeah.
	Just in the...
	And I know you have a couple.
	I want to transition to a bit of fake news.
	I was really, really...
	I'm really blown away by this tweet that Donald Trump sent about North Korea.
	Because I tuned in yesterday.
	Everyone's talking about it.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, he's trying to do policy again.
	Oh, it's very dangerous.
	Very dangerous what he's doing.
	Oh, it's so dangerous.
	Those tweets are dangerous.
	Very, very dangerous.
	Let's listen to CNN had the report.
	Very short, just so you know what happened.
	North Korea leader Kim Jong-un's New Year's Day message.
	He's almost ready to launch an intercontinental ballistic missile, an ICBM, that someday could hit the U.S. Now, that is the entire statement.
	I'm not entirely sure if that was an editorialized statement by saying intercontinental ballistic missile that could reach the U.S.A. I don't know if that was editorialized or if it was in the actual news release.
	But for the past 48 hours, whenever Trump sent this tweet out, all I hear is, you can't do foreign policy in 140 characters.
	140 characters.
	Everybody's doing it now.
	Everybody's doing it.
	Oh, 140.
	So the BBC, now remember what you just heard.
	Actually, I have...
	Trump's tweet was pretty much saying, ain't gonna happen.
	North Korea, ICBMs toward the US, not gonna happen.
	That was the tweet.
	Which is the way I would look at it, too.
	It's not gonna happen.
	What are they gonna do?
	Well, but first of all, if they said that, and of course CNN repeating it, if North Korea actually said, we're gonna fire off a nuke ICBM that could potentially reach the USA... For someone to say, oh yeah, bitch, not going to happen, I kind of like that.
	But listen to how the BBC framed it.
	Well, another extraordinary episode here, and insight, in fact, into the way Donald Trump intends to deal with some major issues once he's the US president here.
	He's just dismissed North Korea's latest claim to be developing a missile capable of delivering a nuclear strike against the US. He did it via Twitter.
	That's what he tends to do, isn't it?
	Mr.
	Trump highlighting a boast in the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un's New Year's message that preparations for a missile launch had reached the final stage.
	His view on that?
	Very simple.
	it won't happen.
	We're trying to work out quite what that means.
	Expressing doubts perhaps about North Korea's nuclear capabilities.
	Maybe suggesting preventive action.
	Not quite clear.
	I mean, no.
	I mean, this is insane.
	They're just trying to mind-read now.
	And what you're seeing is this anti-Donald Trump tweeter thing is fear.
	It is fear of the mainstream media who are being cut out.
	I think you may be right because there's been more talk about him bypassing the mainstream media by just directly communicating with the public via these tweets.
	And the mainstream media, I think you're right, is completely freaked out about this because they're the gatekeepers to what he's thinking and what he's doing.
	They're the gatekeepers that get to tell you what's what.
	They're the gatekeepers that get to twist the truth, to be honest about it.
	And they don't like this idea because they can't twist anything.
	All they can do is try to interpret in awkward ways like you just played.
	What could he possibly mean by it won't happen?
	It could mean this, it could mean that.
	So they're behind the eight ball here.
	I think it's well-deserved.
	The mainstream media has not served the public.
	It's interesting how...
	They seem to be John McCain's propaganda arm, too, by the way.
	Yeah.
	Well, that can only be a money issue.
	I mean, McCain is really the guy who's working all the military money.
	Military money sponsors all news, one way or the other.
	Certainly, public...
	Well, yes, of course.
	Of course.
	So, yeah.
	Well, it will be interesting.
	Have you seen Obama, by the way?
	The guy isn't even in office yet, and this is continuing.
	It's outrageous.
	This is the thing that's so bothersome.
	It's just talk and talk and talk and talk.
	No one's doing anything yet.
	They're not in office.
	Although, I do know that it's going to be crappy time because Chuck Schumer, who is now...
	And I've met him.
	Incredible douchebag.
	I met him in the Anthony Weiner thing when I... Yeah, Schumer is a horrible douchebag.
	He's so arrogant.
	He looks down his nose at you all the time.
	And he's saying, we're not going to help with any Supreme Court justices.
	We're not going to get any of these douchebags in.
	And I do want to say, of course, what you hear everywhere is, you're supposed to drain the swamp.
	He's got nothing but millionaires and billionaires in everywhere.
	I am actually skeptical of putting together a business administration because I've seen it and it really didn't work out well.
	That's what happened in the Netherlands.
	Now, there was a difference is that...
	Pim Fortone was assassinated two weeks before his party won posthumously, and then all these guys didn't really have a leader, and it was a mess.
	It really was a mess, and they lasted like two years, and it was crap.
	Everything was crap.
	So, with Trump, maybe...
	Trump's group is mostly military guys, it seems to me.
	I don't see that many business people.
	Well, we've got the guy, the banker for SEC. We've got Rex Tillerson for...
	The bank at SEC has always been run by the bankers.
	Well, of course.
	Tillerson is the only one I think...
	I'm just saying he's not a military guy.
	He's not a military guy.
	Tillerson's the only one you can make an argument about.
	But if you think about American foreign policy being always about oil, why not put an oil guy in there?
	I'm not against it.
	I'm just saying I'm not convinced the business cabinet is assured to work.
	That's all.
	I would want it to.
	I would want the oil guy to go, well, I know how this bullcrap works.
	We're not going to do this this way anymore.
	That would be fantastic, but who knows?
	And I think that's what will happen because, and I've said this before, having worked both in the, I worked at an oil refinery and then I worked for the government that inspected oil refineries.
	And I've said this before because people say, oh, it's a conflict of interest.
	You used to work for something, you know, and now you're working on the other side.
	You're just going to be on their side.
	That's not the way it works.
	Right.
	It works the way you described it, generally speaking.
	It's like, I know how this game works.
	You guys can't pull this stunt with me.
	Because this is what we used to do.
	That kind of thing.
	That's what really happens.
	People take these jobs seriously.
	Before we go on too far, I do want to have one long clip that I really would like to play, but it's still about the Russian thing.
	Okay, yeah, good.
	Now this is, I was thinking twice about it, because it's better to watch this clip.
	Then to listen to it, but I think you get the idea by listening to it.
	You've seen this.
	This is Josh Ernest.
	When he's asked the question of what proof do they have about the Russians, I left the pauses in.
	Oh, wow!
	So this is a one-minute clip that is three minutes long.
	It takes him three minutes to get it out, I know.
	Okay.
	I won't do this again, I promise.
	Okay.
	Because I know you've been taking the pauses out.
	But can I play the recorder?
	One quick other question.
	So as far as the Russian hacks go, I know normally you can't discuss sources and methods and how you guys are getting intelligence.
	I think I'll time them.
	I'll time every pause, see how long it takes.
	How about that?
	Okay.
	Time each one and add them all together.
	Okay.
	Chat room, could you please do that for me?
	Characterize the sort of intelligence that's coming in that proves that this was a Russian hack.
	Is it digital fingerprints that you're tracing back to a computer in Russia?
	We really got to stop with all of these terms.
	Is it digital fingerprints?
	That's tiring.
	Coming from a journalist who sounds like he has no idea what he's talking about.
	Is it human sourcing that you're intercepting phone calls and hearing Russians talk about this kind of thing?
	Where is the confidence coming from?
	Well, I'm obviously quite limited in what I can say from here.
	But I think there are a couple of things that I can point to that I think...
	That I think answer the questions that you've raised.
	It's essentially two.
	The first is, the statement that was issued by the intelligence community in October of 2016, before the election, making clear that Russia was interfering in our election, represented the consensus view of 17 different intelligence agencies.
	That's not usually the way intelligence works.
	That kind of unanimity of opinion, particularly when the stakes are so high, is notable.
	The decision by the intelligence community, not just to reach that conclusion, but to make it public, is notable.
	And I think it reflects the depth of their confidence in that assessment.
	But your question goes to what explains the depth of that confidence?
	Why?
	I think the only thing that… I'm already at 31 seconds.
	Do you know that this cannot be done on mainstream radio?
	This is like a violation of everything that the commercial system...
	Oh, he has too much dead air.
	Yeah, you could be selling commercials in that air.
	Are you nuts?
	Actually, if you have a 30-second spot, you could drop in there because of this guy.
	He's hemming and hawing.
	He's got no tab on his thing.
	He can't answer the question.
	He never answers it, by the way.
	He just goes, well...
	Well, let's listen a little more.
	His answer is the following.
	I'm going to tell you in advance.
	His answer is the following.
	Because that joint statement that was made by Homeland Security, the one that has the amber and the yellow and the red and the white, because there were solutions mentioned in there.
	In other words, don't get phished is what the solution is, right?
	Yeah.
	Right, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Right?
	Because that existed, because there was a solution in there that...
	You can listen to this for yourself.
	It's at the end.
	Because that solution proves it was the Russians.
	There is no logic to this.
	No.
	Chatroom is still the timing good.
	What I can certainly say from here is that there was a release last week of the joint analysis report.
	It was issued by the Department of Homeland Security.
	With a disclaimer that said, we don't warrant any of this is true.
	And the FBI. And included in that report were specific...
	Included in that report was specific technical advice.
	To first-year security students.
	Computer network operators, systems administrators across the country and around the world about steps that they could take to protect their networks from malicious Russian cyber activity.
	I think that's an indication that there was a deep technical analysis that was done.
	And being able to put forward that tactical analysis so that people could protect themselves from the Russians I think reflects...
	The work that was done that pretty definitively ties this back to the Russians.
	The other effect of releasing that information...
	Wait a minute, wait a minute.
	That was great.
	Hold on, let's see.
	This back to...
	Now you've got to go back a minute.
	Oh, jeez.
	The work that was done that pretty definitively ties this back to...
	Pretty definitively.
	Oh, that's like 97%, I guess.
	Pretty definitively.
	The work that was done pretty definitively ties this back to the Russians.
	The other effect of releasing that information means that Russia now has to go back to the drawing board and change some of their tactics.
	Oh, really?
	What bullcrap.
	It really is.
	You know, this administration is just lying, bold-faced lying to the American public.
	But the problem I have is I know that there are tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dudes named Ben who are all in for Bernie or all in for Hillary and hate Trump.
	And they see this.
	They know.
	But I'm not seeing any of the guys I know on the bags or the grams or the twatters saying, this is bullcrap.
	None of it.
	And that is, I think, actually, if you're a dude named Ben, which is our no-agenda term for sys or network admin, and you don't counteract that, your credentials should be taken away.
	Don't take away your Microsoft Exchange credentials, whatever the hell.
	Yes, no, but I see the same thing, because I'm hooked into that.
	I have just the tweeters, of course.
	I don't have the face bag.
	But looking at these people that are in these groups of them, most of the, especially the female, They must be very conflicted right now.
	They're very conflicted, but they won't say anything.
	They're still, Trump's a douchebag.
	I hate him.
	It's unbelievable.
	Well, hey, we know what's going on, and we can read these reports.
	And look, we've got our own cyber security officers, and they're all saying it's bullcrap, but no.
	Okay.
	Hmm.
	Have you noticed Obama has developed a tick under his right eye?
	He has?
	Yeah.
	I have not noticed this, but it wouldn't surprise me.
	Yeah.
	I think I've seen it before.
	I mean, I'm very sensitive to this stuff because, of course, having Tourette's, I see stuff immediately.
	You're Mr.
	Tick.
	Mr.
	Tick, that's right.
	Mr.
	Tick, thanks.
	Yeah, so he's nervous, or he's under stress, or there's something going on.
	He's under stress.
	Yeah.
	He knows he's lying.
	Yeah, must be super stress.
	And he was supposed to be the guy that was going to be the new Clinton Foundation goldmine.
	And once the Clintons got in office, they had to pass off some of their scam off to somebody else.
	And he was going to be the guy.
	Now that fell apart.
	And now there's investigations.
	We know.
	I mean, they say there's not going to be any.
	But there's going to be investigations once Trump is in office.
	I mean, if you remember the comment that one of them said, it was either Hillary or Podesta or somebody, he says, if this guy wins, we're all going to be hanging by a noose.
	Well, let me get into this with you.
	And this is clipless.
	There's a guy who I've been following for a couple weeks now on the YouTubes.
	Named George Webb, double B. Have you seen any of his stuff?
	No, you got me on that.
	Okay.
	So he's now up to day 73.
	Today I think would be day 74.
	And the title of the short video is 10 minutes.
	Where is Eric Braverman?
	This guy is an intelligence guy.
	I can't find anything about him, so who the heck knows what's going on with his background and information.
	But Eric Braverman was the CEO of the Clinton Foundation.
	And he has done an excellent job of connecting a lot of these people and the Podesta emails.
	If you recall, there was an article that talked about how Chelsea...
	That was brought into the Clinton Foundation.
	Her name was put on the masthead, and she's in.
	And she starts to notice stuff, and she starts asking questions.
	We read a number of those Podesta emails.
	People are like, what the hell is she doing?
	Tell her to shut up, back off.
	And she brought in her former McKinsey colleague, where she worked, Eric Braverman, to be the new CEO to clean stuff up.
	And this guy quits abruptly a couple months before the election.
	And he has not been heard from since.
	He's supposed to teach, I think he teaches at Yale or somewhere, but he's not showing up for his course.
	No one knows where he is.
	And when you look at...
	So in this interview...
	He said, you know, if you really want to find out what's going on, and it wasn't attributed to him.
	If you really want to find out what's going on, you know, you got to follow the money.
	And then there's this Podesta email where this article is sent back and forth, and then Podesta says, this is Eric Braverman.
	So, on the radar.
	Eric Braverman is married to Neil Brown.
	These gay guys.
	Neil Brown works for KKR, which of course includes the famous Kravitz.
	Kravitz Kohlberg.
	Roberts.
	Yeah.
	The big boys.
	And so when you look at Timber Sycamore and Operation Zero Footprint, these are the code names for Libya.
	There was a whole system set up for Libya, which of course pretty much worked, where you go in, you get the rebels, you make a deal with them, you give them arms, you take away some money, then of course you want to Strengthen stuff up.
	We have some NGOs doing crazy stuff.
	He's a nutty dictator.
	You kill him.
	And then you deal with the oil concession rights.
	Everybody kind of wins.
	And also, in Gaddafi's case, his wife had $20 billion in a Swiss account.
	There was an estimated $300 billion in other Swiss accounts.
	And then there was like $10 billion in cash and gold and stuff.
	They steal the money.
	They steal the money.
	But this is done with...
	KKR, who was inserted just before Hillary Clinton left the State Department.
	Because she had...
	And if you look at it, there's like the people who were approving the arms sales, which ultimately wound up in the hands of rebels, they're all insiders, including...
	Check the Jeremy Bash.
	Jeremy Bash, former CIA guy.
	And I've always wondered...
	He used to be married to Dana Bash on CNN. I've always wondered why she was there.
	What's your background?
	Why are you interesting?
	And then you see that of course we have all the connections between the people married to presidents of news at CNN and ABC and just a million things going back and forth and the system was you get the bribe or the promise of the bribe through the Clinton Foundation you approve the licenses for the sale of the weapons and the circle just keeps on going.
	Round and round she goes.
	But The money, the way they were sending that money back, and this is where I think the investigation will come, is through the Canadian Joustra, G-I-U-S-T-R-A, Clinton Foundation something or other.
	It's like a subsidiary.
	And they would just send, the Joustra Foundation would send one big lump sum, like $100 million a year, from 1100 people.
	Donors who are secret.
	And unlike the United States and Canada, you don't have to necessarily disclose who these people are.
	But of course, you're going to see that these will be big state leaders, all kinds of Yeah, all kinds of corrupt guys who this has been set up to be a foolproof system.
	Right.
	You want to make a little extra money?
	Here, you can make a couple mil.
	Right.
	So what happened, and this guy is really interesting.
	I watched it for almost six hours over the weekend.
	Is there going to be a link in the show notes?
	Oh yeah, I've got tons of notes.
	So the idea was to do the exact same thing in Syria.
	And of course we know that was for multiple pipelines, competing pipelines.
	And of course it failed.
	And the reason why it failed mainly is because the Stinger missiles were being flown into Jordan where they were training rebels.
	And then these C-130s with these Stinger missiles, they were going over to...
	I'm sorry, Benghazi.
	They were going over to Libya, and Chris Stevens makes a phone call and says, Hey, man, this is messed up.
	This is like C-130s with Stinger missiles coming in.
	Four days later, he's dead.
	So there's a system which will...
	And Jordan is on deck.
	But the King of Morocco...
	And again, just look at the pipelines.
	There's a new pipeline.
	It blew me away when I found this.
	The new pipeline is one that goes from Nigeria to Morocco.
	Now, they tried to do this pipeline straight up through Niger and through Algeria and all this stuff to get to Morocco, but of course, it was too painful.
	And the Nigerian oil is arranged by a former...
	Mark Rich associate.
	I forget his name.
	I'll get to it in a second.
	Mark Rich, of course, is the guy pardoned by Bill Clinton.
	International criminal.
	Right.
	With the lawyer who helped on that is...
	What's this guy's name again?
	Hold on.
	He's now in the Department of Justice.
	Peter Kadzik.
	There you go.
	Peter Kadzik.
	He took care of that for Mark Rich.
	He is handling the emails within the Justice Department.
	This guy is a total stooge, total insider, and of course he went to college with Podesta, so all of these things got all neatly wrapped up.
	So Morocco, they've got the Nigerian oil, which of course is all stolen.
	We've seen what's happened in Nigeria, Boko Haram.
	We followed that.
	There were hundreds of billions of dollars missing already.
	But I don't know, focus on the children.
	Who weren't gone?
	Who were gone?
	Who gives a crap?
	We don't care if they're back or not.
	First lady holds up a sign.
	Fine.
	So they're building this pipeline around the coast up to Morocco, and then from Morocco goes into Spain, and that will be a different way of, and it's all about the same thing, cutting off Russia's sales to Europe.
	That's what it's all about.
	The reason why I think we're now seeing different moves in Syria is And things calming down, possibly, is because of a new pipeline, the Trans-Anatolian Natural Gas Pipeline, which runs from Georgia through Turkey.
	Oops, got a small problem there.
	And from Turkey into Bulgaria.
	And so it bypasses everybody.
	Again, another end around Russia.
	So the King of Morocco gave $28 million to the Clinton Foundation, of course, and thanks for setting everything up.
	And, you know, anyone who does this, King of Jordan, King of Morocco, just look at what happened with your predecessors.
	This seems to be the system.
	Get it all set up, arm some rebels, boom, steal the money, control everything, hand off the contracts, the drilling rights, the mineral rights, hand it off to your buddies in big oil, etc.
	It's a very, very slick system.
	Ukraine, no different.
	Again, it's about stopping Russian gas getting into Europe.
	That's successful to a degree.
	But again, who's in there?
	Hunter Biden, Joe Biden's kid with a huge...
	A company that has oil, drilling rights, gas rights, transportation rights, everything.
	And as I'm going through this, I realize that the code words used in these, because Podesta is an integral part of this with Sid Blumenthal.
	And I don't even know where to start explaining Sid Blumenthal, other than he is the guy that actually hired the private army to be in Benghazi and in Libya.
	I think that, first of all, if you have money, you've got billions of dollars, art is a great way to launder money.
	It's a known, perfect way.
	Because, you know, you're buying something, a piece of canvas or whatever it is, and paying exorbitant amounts of money.
	So you could do a lot with art.
	I'm thinking maybe all these codes in their emails is about arms deals.
	Think about it.
	Now, pizza could be just code for an arms deal.
	Hot dogs is stinger missiles.
	No one's looked at that from that perspective.
	No.
	And it would be perfect cover-up to have everyone focusing on kiddie porn and pedophilia.
	Yeah, it's great.
	It's a major distraction.
	Uh-huh, uh-huh.
	So have a look at these links in the show notes.
	There's tons and tons of stuff there.
	But I think that, you know, whoever said that was absolutely right.
	If investigations start, and I believe this is an ongoing investigation.
	In fact, it's Snopes.
	Got to talk about Snopes.
	Here's Snopes.
	Fact check.
	Fact check!
	Fact check false.
	Missing in action.
	This is from Snopes.com.
	We found no evidence that Eric Braverman, the former head of Clinton's charitable foundation, has gone missing.
	It is unproven, though.
	They didn't say it's false, it's unproven.
	Since at least October 2016, some social media users have been echoing the belief that former Clinton Foundation CEO Eric Braverman is missing or in peril.
	And he, of course, headed the foundation from 2013 until he resigned in 2015.
	Rumors regarding his whereabouts began swirling after a leaked document published via WikiLeaks showed his name mentioned in emails between Clinton staffers who believed he was furtively releasing information about the foundation's financial doings.
	We found no evidence that Braveman is currently a missing person, nor that he has gone into hiding.
	The only evidence being puffered...
	He's not anywhere.
	Nor is Neil.
	Nor is the guy who they tried to pin the Benghazi Stinger missiles on, the arms guy.
	Turek, who they tried to frame, and if you recall, they dropped the lawsuit last minute, because he was like, screw this, I'm going to tell everyone what's going on.
	So he's missing, or it's just not around anymore.
	This is the kind of stuff I'd like to see the Pizzagators focus on.
	This is something real.
	Well, this whole thing, the way you describe it, and I'm Not doubting any of it, because it makes nothing but sense to me.
	It may account for the tick that Obama has.
	You know he's got to be in on this too.
	Everybody's in, John.
	This is the problem.
	Everybody.
	All governments.
	And that may be the reason that Trump put that oil guy in as Secretary of State, because maybe he must know this is going on.
	He can unravel the whole thing.
	He could.
	Somebody's going to have to do it.
	I don't know how easy it would be to do that because it's like those banking conspiracies.
	Well, you've got to watch this guy.
	I didn't send it to you purposely because I wanted to talk about it with your open mind and hear if you had any immediate concerns about it.
	But when you start watching what this guy is doing, and again, he's got to be a spook.
	I know he's a citizen of Israel, so take everything that he says with that in mind.
	Yeah.
	But to me, it was very clear how the system worked and the idea.
	And of course, I think that's why Eric Braverman and Neil Brown got married only just before he quit.
	So you can't testify against your spouse.
	So the way I understand it, before Hillary left the State Department, she wanted to have this KKR group in place.
	They're the ones who say, okay, yeah, they're consultants.
	Okay, you can sell arms to here, you can do this.
	So they're kind of the gatekeeper.
	And of course, they were controlled by the cabal because Neil Brown married Eric Braverman, who was the head of the Clinton Foundation.
	So everyone knew exactly how it was all.
	And this is a big, big money, swirling operation.
	And a lot of it.
	100 million here?
	That's peanuts.
	I think we're talking hundreds of billions of dollars.
	Easily.
	Well, it sounds like jail time for somebody, if you ask me.
	Well, so who's going to be?
	They set the patsies up before anything comes down.
	Right.
	I didn't know.
	I didn't know what a bad actor he was.
	Talking about code, I'm sure we'll continue on that line of discussion for the next year.
	Talking about code, I ran into this thing.
	One of the guys they are out to get, which is the liberals, is Jeff Sessions.
	Yeah, they're going after his racist racism.
	It's all like, oh, he said something bad once.
	No, let me tell you exactly.
	I know exactly what it was when he was being confirmed as a judge and he was not confirmed because of this.
	Someone testified that Sessions had said, I didn't like the cake.
	I didn't like the KKK when I found out they smoked a lot of weed.
	It was something like that.
	And it was a testimony from someone else.
	Well, this is a little clip from Rachel Maddow.
	And I don't want you to interrupt it.
	I want you to listen.
	There's like a new code word.
	Do you think the Judiciary Committee and the confirmation process, as you understand it, is capable of teasing out these sort of subtleties?
	Obviously, the Trump transition believes that his name as U.S. attorney being associated with the filings that you did on those civil rights cases is enough to give him credit for those things.
	Do you think the confirmation process is subtle enough and thorough enough that these things will be teased out and that he won't be given credit for these things that he's claiming credit for?
	Well, in 1986, when he was nominated to be a federal judge, the Senate Judiciary Committee, which was then controlled by Republicans, also did give the opportunity for issues to be teased out.
	And when they were teased out, they found out that he had been racially insensitive in a number of comments that he had made, and his civil rights record was really questionable.
	Oh, no.
	But okay.
	Code word.
	I missed it.
	Have you ever heard this used like this?
	Teased out?
	It's going to be teased out.
	It's going to be teased out.
	Oh yeah, it's going to be teased out.
	It's going to be teased out.
	I've never heard anybody use this word like that.
	Teased out?
	When I hear teased, I think teasing as in pestering, or teasing as in teasing your hair.
	Teased out.
	I think the usage is...
	I'm not saying it's not correct, but I've never heard it used in this context, ever.
	Are they going to tickle him, or...?
	It just sounds like two liberals and they're using...
	The liberals have this tendency...
	Right-wingers do, too.
	Have a tendency to come up with these little code words so you identify each other.
	Oh, yeah.
	Give us another...
	Chilling.
	Chilling.
	Oh, it's chilling.
	Chilling.
	You run into that a lot.
	But I've never heard...
	This is a new one.
	This is teased out.
	We've got to track that.
	I like it.
	I'm surprised it doesn't sound like a sore thumb to you.
	It was used four times.
	Lack of B12? Yes, please.
	Take two now.
	Before we take a break, I just want to revisit the laughable conversation about Trump and his lack of celebrity pull.
	Because again, the general consensus is, and this goes to a newsletter you wrote a couple newsletters back, that if you're not in the celebrity culture, then you might as well not be in America.
	If you're not a part of that world, then forget about it.
	You're just no good.
	No good.
	And of course, this came up again on CNN. This is their, I think, their media expert.
	And he's talking about how...
	You know, Trump has said a lot of things that you would think are the anathema sort of to Hollywood, including things about, you know, women's issues and bigotry and gay rights and things that they always make their causes.
	So it's not surprising in a way that this kind of consistent opposition.
	But he has been known to be friendly with celebrities like Elton John, and I want to put up on the screen that he is somebody who apparently has declined to perform.
	He, David Foster, Celine Dion, it's a huge event with a huge audience.
	Can you remember another inauguration where stars weren't just jumping at the chance to perform?
	Well, I think they weren't particularly jumping in the George Bush era, but he had very big names before.
	I mean, Destiny's Child performed at his first, when Beyonce was in the group.
	You know, I mean, he had very big names.
	And in the past, there's been a lot of support from the country music industry for conservative candidates.
	It's odd he's not getting at least a big portion of them either.
	There's much more of a concerted opposition here than there ever was before.
	And it's partly because, let's face it, there was this hostility toward him.
	And he's a very unpopular president right now in terms of favorability rating.
	I like how he's already an unpopular president.
	He hasn't even taken office, but he's a very unpopular president right now.
	He's not the president.
	Yeah, it's like his presidential ratings are zero, I think, at the moment.
	Because, let's face it, there was this hostility toward him, and he's a very unpopular president right now in terms of favorability ratings and clearly the popular election vote.
	So it's a little safer for, I think, entertainers to say, well, you know, he wasn't even a majority, you know, winner.
	So the reluctance has a little bit of validity to it.
	Bill, you covered Donald Trump way pre-politics, during the apprentice years, when you were at the New York Times, and my understanding is you spent a lot of time with him, knowing him and knowing the way that he approaches the idea of celebrity.
	How do you think this is sitting with him, that he is having some trouble?
	I think it's deeply galling to him.
	You know, I think he has a big ego, of course we know that, and he does have good relationships with a lot of celebrities, but a lot of bridges were burned in this campaign, and I don't think Donald really realizes yet that this is going to be kind of the way it's I think,
	alas, there's a real resistance to his policies, especially because you can argue that the people that he's named so far are only confirming to some of these Hollywood types their worst fears, that they don't see him, you know, reaching out to be sort of a president of the whole country.
	He seems to be veering even further to the right in issues they don't really accept.
	So I'm not surprised by that.
	But knowing him, he will not take this lightly.
	I don't think he'll take it lightly.
	Yeah, I would imagine not, but as we're watching the replay of his entrance at the convention, maybe he doesn't need another celebrity.
	He knows how to make an entrance, so, you know, that's probably what's going on in his mind.
	These people are so obsessed with this.
	I think it's been pretty clear they don't care about celebrities anymore.
	And they're going to have the Rockettes and the Tabernacle Choir sing.
	You should have a symphony orchestra works.
	I wish I could have recorded.
	I was listening to the angry white gay man channel who love Hillary.
	Progressive.
	And, yeah, I gotta figure out a way to record that.
	So Michael Angelo Signorelli is saying...
	RCA Jack.
	Yeah, it's a little more complicated.
	Was saying, because one of the Rockettes was saying, I don't want to perform for him.
	And the guy who runs Madison Square Garden who also owns the Rockettes, he says, no, the Rockettes are performing.
	And so the story now has been twisted into she is being forced to dance and then take that one step further.
	Donald Trump is forcing women to dance.
	I'm not kidding.
	Think about it.
	Donald Trump is making women dance.
	Forcing them to dance.
	Dance, you bitch.
	Unbelievable.
	Crazy world.
	Crazy, crazy world.
	And here is yet another celebrity video.
	Yep, they just won't stop.
	Another one for, and there's a whole bunch.
	You may recognize some of the voices.
	When you see it, they're all pretty clear.
	And they have another message.
	Dear members of Congress.
	Dear members of Congress.
	I'm mad.
	Flabbergasted.
	Furious.
	Concerned for my children.
	I'm worried for everyone.
	The majority of Americans, regardless of who they voted for, did not vote for racism, for sexism, or for xenophobia.
	And yet Donald Trump won.
	And since he won, hate crimes are rising.
	Women have been attacked in his name.
	People of color attacked in his name.
	You represent us in Congress.
	You are our last line of defense.
	So here's what we ask of our elected officials.
	No, here's what we demand.
	To the extent that Trump pursues racist, sexist, anti-immigrant, anti-worker, anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic, anti-environmental policies, we demand that you vigorously oppose him.
	We demand that you block nominees who threaten the rights of women, the LGBT community, people of color, immigrants, and the poor.
	And we want you to know that we are with you.
	As long as you do that stuff, we won't remain silent.
	We won't remain silent.
	We won't remain silent.
	We'll work harder to mobilize our votes and our communities.
	But we need you.
	And we expect you to have our backs.
	To protect our civil liberties and to use your congressional powers.
	To obstruct.
	To obstruct.
	Obstruct.
	Obstruct.
	Defeat.
	Anything.
	Anything.
	Anything that violates our core values as diverse Americans.
	Signed.
	The majority.
	The majority of the American people.
	Oh.
	Sorry.
	Do they think that this is quality material that people really...
	I'm sure there's a group of people that get behind this stuff, but these are all second-rate people in Hollywood.
	They couldn't get any of the A-listers because they're too smart to do this stuff now.
	Not a good idea.
	And these are very few.
	Well, Rosie Perez.
	Rosie Perez, really?
	It's a C-lister.
	Where's Clooney?
	Right?
	No kidding.
	Right?
	That's why I said it.
	Right?
	Because you know there's only one thing you need to do if you need some kind of distraction.
	And for some reason it's not coming up.
	Because otherwise you've got to call Clooney.
	Exactly.
	You've got something going on and you need a distraction.
	Call Clooney.
	Call Clooney.
	Well, I'll tell you.
	The Celebrities, we'll see.
	We'll see how it all works out for them.
	It's not going to work out for them if they keep this up.
	I don't think so either.
	But, with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C! Where the C stands for.
	Code words are everywhere.
	Dvorak!
	In the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	Also in the morning, ships and sea boots on the ground, feet in the air.
	Subs in the water!
	And all the dames and knights out there.
	Yes, in the morning to the chat room, noagendastream.com.
	Good to see everybody here.
	And in the morning to all of our artists, of course, but I want to especially say in the morning to Michael Jed.
	He brought us the artwork for episode 8901, which I think, wasn't that an evergreen?
	I think we pulled it from the evergreen pile, didn't we?
	Yeah, it was nice.
	It was the big yellow warning thing.
	Yes, it was on the evergreen pile.
	Yeah, that was fantastic.
	NoahGenerator.com is where you can find all of the submissions, where you can submit as well, and we really appreciate that.
	Appreciate the work everyone does, because you're producers.
	If you're listening, yeah, you're listening, but you are a producer, producer of the program.
	And, of course, we have our executive producers and associate executive producers to help us out with nice financial support at the beginning of the show.
	Who can we thank today, John?
	We have nobody to thank almost.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, one of them we have, let's go over these.
	We have 500 bucks from Los Angeles, California, Andrew Coppican, I think is how you pronounce it.
	And he is the attorney that was at the meetup.
	Ah, right.
	And who I skipped.
	So he doesn't...
	He shouldn't even be on this list.
	But we got him on anyway because we moved him over to this show.
	And he does have a Senate note in.
	It was a pleasure meeting...
	First, he got the jingle request.
	You can look for those as I read the note.
	It says, OMG Juice, LGY, and Whoopie Vagina.
	Okay.
	Which I find interesting because he was moaning to me about how the...
	These jingles are stupid.
	Anyway, it was a pleasure meeting John and his family at the Los Angeles meetup.
	Park XO is my new favorite cognac.
	I've been a long-time listener, but this marks my first donation.
	I'm a criminal defense attorney in Los Angeles.
	My practice is mainly major narcotics, but I handle everything from DUI to murder.
	Murder.
	Murder.
	Someone's got to do it.
	I must say that personally handing the check to John made me realize what a douche I've been for failing to donate all these years.
	I request an immediate de-douching.
	I immediately do, sir.
	You've been de-douched.
	I had the joy of enjoying a lovely fried chicken dinner after the meetup with three fellow No Agenda listeners, two UCLA seniors, and the flight attendant for Delta, who's always on the lookout for Adam.
	It was wonderful to sit at a table.
	He flies Delta a lot.
	Yeah, he does.
	But it only happens when they switch out equipment because I like to fly KLM to the Netherlands.
	Yeah, she mentioned that too.
	It was wonderful to sit at a table with like-minded thinkers enjoying the hearty meal, not having to defend a stanza or have a political argument.
	Thank you both for the many, many, many hours of sanity whilst navigating the treacherous roads of Los Angeles the past few years.
	I assure you there'll be many more donations to come.
	And he also dropped off a bottle of Brunello.
	Ooh.
	Nice.
	So let's have him...
	Does he need a karma?
	I got the jingles.
	Of course a karma.
	Jobs karma?
	Oh, he's good with jobs.
	I guess he's got enough work.
	He's a murder attorney in L.A. He's fine.
	Plenty of work over there.
	Oh my gosh!
	Can you see that juice?
	Yay!
	Get out of my vagina!
	You've got karma.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	And he'll be the executive producer.
	The official homicide attorney of the show.
	Yeah.
	And drugs.
	And drugs.
	Well, good.
	Which should be a waning business, but you know.
	Sir Tim of the Map of Tassie in Mount Stewart, Tasmania.
	297.
	He'll be the associate executive producer for show 292.
	Greetings, gentlemen.
	Just a quick donation to celebrate the arrival of our new human resource...
	On the 4th of January for the USD amount equivalent to the sum of the name in ASCII. Good.
	6-9 plus 8-5 plus 6-5 plus 7-8.
	Please keep up with the good work on the best podcasts in the universe.
	And yes, my 9-year-old daughter has been asked not to use the word douchebag or tell her friends to shut up slave at school.
	Well, what grade is she in?
	Oh, nine.
	You can do a calculation.
	When she told me, I told her to keep hitting them in the mouth.
	Right on.
	That's a dad.
	Sir Tim of the Map of Tassie, Mount Stewart, Tasmania, Australia.
	Give him a karma.
	Yes, I will.
	We're coming to Australia.
	We're working on this.
	And I would like the Australian and New Zealand producers to come up with a snappy title for the tour.
	We need a tour name.
	Huh.
	Huh.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, look, you guys are producers.
	Come up with a tour name already, will you, please?
	You've got karma.
	Outstanding.
	I do have a...
	The Australian tour.
	I do have a note here from Nurse Caitlin.
	Hi, yes.
	And she says, here's your ant candy, as promised.
	Oh, she sent you some too?
	Yeah, she sent me a nice Christmas card as well.
	She's got two pieces of white candy that was filled with ants.
	She said, P.S., congratulations.
	I'm happy that you were able to turn Tina the Keeper into Tina the Caught.
	That's a good one.
	So I figured I'd try this.
	Or vice versa.
	This is the ant candy with real farm ants, chocolate flavored.
	Let me see what's on the back here.
	Ants, the other red meat.
	Yes, it's the other red meat.
	Get used to it.
	Okay.
	Tasty and preferred food of the anteater.
	Become an anteater too.
	Alrighty.
	So here we go.
	I'm packaged up.
	Alright.
	I'm going to take half.
	It's white chocolate and there's ants inside.
	Hmm.
	Oh.
	He's eating the ant candy as we speak.
	He's chewing it.
	Let me try another piece.
	And he's going to have a second piece.
	He's going for the second piece.
	It has a little kick to it.
	A little fiery.
	He's commenting.
	I'll tell you.
	If you had not told me, I wouldn't have known.
	I just got it crunchy.
	Those things are peppery.
	Yes, I've said this before.
	That's nice.
	That's not bad.
	Thank you very much, Nurse Caitlin.
	Tastes like poo.
	That's right.
	And if you have any insects you'd like me to try, just let us know here.
	And remember to keep supporting the program.
	Dvorak.org slash N.A. Thank you to our one exec and our one associate executive producer.
	Everybody else are nine years and older.
	Propagate the formula!
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Hey, citizen.
	That's trickful.
	Shut up, slave.
	Shut up, slave.
	Ah.
	Nice.
	Well, that wasn't too bad.
	No, it's because nobody, everyone bailed.
	Wasn't too bad.
	What do you mean everyone bailed?
	No, I mean...
	No donations.
	No, the chocolate, I'm talking about the chocolate wasn't too bad, man.
	I'm talking about the ants.
	The ants, the ants, the ants.
	That's nice.
	I don't know if she actually eats that stuff.
	I have just a couple more, like, Trump, I call it Trump transition thingies.
	Yesterday, of course, what we had...
	The new senators and the new congressmen and representatives coming in.
	And of course there was lots of talking.
	Now Chuck Schumer is the head honcho.
	He gets to talk about everything.
	And he's come up with a slogan because he's in charge now.
	So he's got a very, very funny idea.
	Since the Trump administration has promised to repeal Obamacare on day one, which is being used as an incredible fear tactic.
	Whenever you have a new law or repeal, which means basically a new law, one isn't there, whatever it is, it doesn't happen the next day.
	There's stipulations.
	It's 180 days.
	It could be three years.
	It could be whatever they put in that.
	It'll be more posturing than anything.
	So they're making everyone afraid.
	Oh, you're going to die.
	You'll have no medication.
	It'll take forever.
	It'll be a new thing to go into play.
	Yeah, of course it will.
	And they've come up with a slogan.
	The Republican plan to cut health care wouldn't make America great again.
	It would make America sick again.
	Oh, my goodness.
	What a good one.
	You're so funny.
	He should have had a, if he didn't, you know, it would only work if he, after he said that, this guy is no comedian.
	If after he said that, he pulled out a red hat or a blue, it should have been a blue hat.
	Blue hat, yes.
	Blue hat.
	This is a Democrat.
	Put the hat on his head and says, make America sick again.
	That would have been much better.
	I agree.
	That would have been funnier.
	That would have been funnier.
	Nancy Pelosi, of course, she also had something to say.
	If you're a senior, you know, Medicaid, almost half of Medicaid is about long-term health care.
	You want grandma living in the guest room?
	You repeal the Affordable Care Act.
	And so make America sick again?
	Is that what the Republicans want to do?
	Oh, man.
	She's terrible.
	You want grandma living in your house?
	It's really, it's so insulting.
	Hey, meanwhile, I got the new OECD analysis of global antidepressant users per 1,000 people per population per country, if you are interested.
	Everyone's interested.
	Alright.
	And the number 2, number 3, number 4, number 5, 6, 7, and 8 are really interesting.
	Of course, we rule.
	No doubt about it.
	The United States has 110 people per thousand on antidepressants.
	So that is...
	What is that?
	1%?
	More than 1 out of 10 people.
	Yes.
	Number 2 on the list...
	And I was very surprised.
	Who do you think is number two on the list?
	Denmark.
	No, no, no.
	Above Denmark is Iceland.
	Oh, they got Iceland's all doped up?
	Number three, Australia.
	Number four, Canada.
	Number five, Denmark.
	Then Sweden, Portugal, UK. The least doped up people are in Korea.
	Yes, because they drink those little energy drinks all day.
	Nobody's going to get depressed on those things.
	But it's just like, wow, I didn't know.
	When you go to Korea, if you have an escort, anybody taking you around, showing you around, You will be kind of introduced to these little bottles of energy drinks.
	And they're not like the ones we have that are loaded with taurine.
	Not like the five-hour, like...
	No, they're different.
	This has got all kinds of other stuff.
	What is that little red bottle you buy at the gas station?
	These actually taste good, too.
	I've always wondered what that crap is.
	It's got a lot of taurine, which is, you know, sketchy.
	But the Koreans just drink this all day, just about one an hour.
	And if you go to the big Korean supermarket in, I think it's in Redwood City or Menlo Park, it's down in the peninsula.
	It's a great place called Hankook, H-A-N-K-O-O-K, you can look it up on Yelp.
	There's a huge store that is all Korean food.
	It's not like an Asian store, it's Korean.
	And they have a whole aisle full of these various drinks that you buy by the case.
	Oh, gosh.
	It's very funny.
	Maybe something we can white label and sell it.
	No agenda energy drink!
	Apparently it doesn't make them depressed.
	Well, that's true.
	Now, Iceland, I've heard that they're generally depressed there anyway, because it's always dark, or except for half the year.
	And there used to be a high suicide rate there.
	There's not a lot to do, except get drunk, which they do very well.
	They're very good at that.
	I caught Don Lemon two nights ago.
	He had Michael Higginbottom on.
	He's an author.
	And so it was some other guy.
	It was basically three black guys talking about how racist white people are.
	It's getting a little annoying to watch it as the persona non grata of society.
	Straight white male.
	Old.
	What was the Civil War about, John?
	You are a reasonable expert in this.
	Well, it was about...
	Sovereignty of the states more than it was anything else.
	That's why it was originally called the War Between the States.
	You mean states' rights is what we'd say?
	It was states' rights.
	Are you sure about that?
	Which is in the Constitution.
	Well, if you look at Kenneth Stamp's book...
	He had a book of various things.
	During the era, if you were there at the time, it wasn't a fight about slavery, even though the abolitionists have taken over the Republican Party and got Lincoln in, and it was an abolitionist movement.
	That wasn't how the war got started, even though they saw the writing on the wall.
	It was being pushed around.
	The South got sick of it.
	Well, you, sir, are clearly a revisionist racist.
	Actually, the more recent interpretations are more revisionist than what I just said.
	I just need to call you a racist.
	There's no T in races, just so you know.
	Races.
	Van Jones has reported here, when he went around to interview a lot of those Trump supporters, that it wasn't disqualifying for them.
	But I want to dig deeper than that because the article goes on to say that this racial amnesia, as they call it, is similar to what we saw after the Civil War.
	Which defeated Confederates argued that civil war was about states' rights and not slavery.
	Are we seeing a rewriting of history now, Michael?
	I think we are, and the comparisons are fascinating and, I think, very accurate.
	Birth of a Nation, which most individuals, Americans, know about, it was a rewriting of history about Reconstruction, basically glorifying the Ku Klux Klan and suggesting that they were the saviors of the South rather than a racist terrorist organization.
	And I think we're seeing that to an extent today with the denial about the significance of race for some Trump supporters.
	Remember, Trump ran a very divisive campaign on race.
	He initially, when he announced, he talked about Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists.
	Hold on.
	Mexicans, not a race.
	He talked about a Muslim ban for all Muslims.
	Muslims, not a race.
	Coming to America.
	You know, he...
	I mean, these were clearly racist notions.
	No.
	No.
	So there you go, John, you revisionist racist.
	Well, let me give you the...
	You want to hear the good conspiracy theory version of why the war got started?
	Oh, let me think.
	Yes!
	Yes!
	When gold was discovered in the western part of the country in 1849 and it turned out that California and Nevada were just going to bring in trillions of dollars, the British and the French decided that, geez, how did we lose these people?
	The French should have had the southern part of the country and the British should have owned the northern part as part of Canada.
	So they decided to instigate a civil war using South Carolina, which were a bunch of monarchists, and I think they still are to this day, to get them all riled up so you could split the country in half and then the French would take the lower part after the war was over.
	They'd own the southern part of the country.
	The British would own the northern part and hook it up to Canada.
	And then the two countries would split the spoils of California, Nevada and all the gold and silver.
	And to prove this is actually kind of right.
	The the British put a lot of troops and people into Canada and set up a spy network.
	In fact, at one point they tried to burn down the city of New York, the entire city, literally from the spies that came in from the they were called Confederate spies.
	And all the Confederate spies were located in Canada.
	And the French had moved in Maximilian in and taken over the country of Mexico in it before the war ended.
	And that the Mac Mac.
	Maximilian and his French army were going to move in and take over the southern part of the United States.
	And that's really what it was all about.
	I like that too.
	If anything, if there's money involved, I'll take that route.
	That seems to motivate people the most.
	Seems so, yes.
	Speaking of which, you can refrain from sending me emails about Bitcoin...
	I have to set people straight on this.
	You still have Bitcoin.
	I still certainly do.
	And of course, Bitcoin was $1,100 yesterday, down under $1,000 today.
	The point that we made a long time ago is we do not want to receive donations in Bitcoin.
	And the reason is very simple.
	It is not actual useful money to us.
	We have to change it into something we can use to pay our rent.
	I have rent, John.
	You have mortgage, you know, food.
	Yes, there's 45,000 vendors around the world who accept Bitcoin.
	Of course, if I want a USB hub and I feel hungry for it and I can eat it, I consistently get the same emails.
	Oh, well, see?
	This is real, man.
	It's good.
	You see what's happening?
	Bet you wish you had more!
	Yeah, if I had gone for an investment vehicle, which I didn't, and most of these were given to me when they were like 50 cents, 50, when you equate the meteoric volatility with Of Bitcoin with currency, it shows you don't know what you're talking about.
	You do not want a lot of volatility in your currency.
	If the US dollar dropped overnight 10%, the world would end!
	I mean, it would be...
	What would happen, John?
	People would freak out.
	They're people jumping out of windows if that happened.
	Well, it screws things up.
	10%, yeah.
	Yeah, I think so.
	So stop thinking of that.
	While you're on the topic of complaining at our audience...
	No, only the people who try to...
	It's like, you know, you really have the wrong attitude.
	No, I don't.
	Look, if I can pay my rent with it, go Bitcoin!
	Now, we got a note from one of our producers, who's a knight...
	He was sick of working with PayPal, and he's going to have to send checks, I think, because he gives me the old Patreon.
	Why is he his Patreon?
	Now, I realized when he sent a note in that I'd been working on a No Agenda FAQ. Ooh, FAQ. That I want to remind people, if anyone has questions and answers, and the answers would be appropriate, I want to put it in this fact, because I was, oh yeah, I've got to put this in the fact.
	So I wrote the question and answer to the Patreon question.
	Why don't we use Patreon?
	Well, the reason is, for one thing, they hold the money, they can keep it, they can shut you down, they can do all these different things that are very negative.
	They're not a bank.
	PayPal's more of a bank.
	Money just goes straight in.
	It gets pulled straight out, straight to a bank.
	It's very simple.
	It works fine.
	We have no problems.
	Once in a while, there's a problem with one person that happened.
	We had one recently where some guy's donation was rejected for some unknown reason.
	And we're working on that now.
	It also has a limited way...
	We have a lot of programs.
	We have producership programs.
	We have night programs.
	We have layaway programs.
	Patreon can't handle any of that.
	They also have...
	Terms of service, if you read it, is like reading the dummy contract for a publisher.
	For a book deal.
	It's the worst.
	They even...
	You have to be...
	You are liable for any lawsuit that takes place against them.
	Outstanding.
	I mean, it's an indemnification problem.
	There's all sorts of things that are wrong with Patreon.
	And I just...
	We're not using it for a lot of different...
	And it also charged 5%, which is more than PayPal charges.
	So we get charged more.
	We have all these limitations.
	They can pull the plug on you at the drop of a hat, and then all of a sudden you've lost this stream completely.
	We had a whole bunch of subscribers.
	That happened to WikiLeaks, remember?
	People can argue that, well, PayPal can do that too, and yes, there is some truth to that, but this is not a system that we want to work with.
	We have our own system.
	We have newsletters.
	I don't even know if you get the mailing list from the people who donate.
	There's no evidence that you do.
	Maybe you do.
	I don't know.
	That part I don't know.
	So no, Patreon is not going to be used by us.
	I just want people to understand.
	If you had sent us $100 yesterday in Bitcoin, it would have been worth $90 today.
	How is that good for us?
	Yeah.
	How is that good for us?
	Now, you can say, oh, it might be worth 110!
	Yeah, okay.
	We have to have some level of normality in our lives.
	I mean, there's enough fluctuation in the donation.
	It's like a...
	Yeah, and I think there's an IRS issue with using Bitcoin for donations, to be honest about it.
	Maybe.
	I think it would cause issues.
	Well, I was going to save this to the next donation break, but maybe we should talk about it now.
	Ev Williams, of course, he's the guy who sold Blogger to Google.
	Yeah, Ev Head.
	Ev Head, yeah.
	So he just fired 50 people at Medium.com.
	Medium was his new...
	In fact, I'd like to read a little bit of his email here because, as you know, I've always said you cannot monetize the network.
	Advertising online, yeah, of course it has some benefit.
	There's always brand recognition and display stuff that helps, but the way it's counted, the real value of it is extremely low.
	And so Ev Head has found this out.
	He kind of couches it in his...
	In his thing here, because he said Medium was supposed to be the way for news.
	I didn't know it was for news, but that's what he wanted to do.
	I've never seen a news article in there.
	It's always just essays.
	I'll start with the hard part.
	As of today, we are reducing our team by about one-third, eliminating 50 jobs.
	You know the 150 people working at Medium?
	That's what I was thinking when I read that.
	What?
	What are all these people doing?
	Mostly in sales, support, and other business functions.
	So you fire those people because, I don't know, there's no sales or support or other functions.
	So it's a tough thing to do, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	Then he has key metrics, which was great.
	We were, you know, readers and published posts were up 300%.
	We witnessed important stories published on Medium from world-famous leaders to unknown individuals on a daily basis.
	We're proud, blah, blah, blah.
	But it's not working.
	Our vision was too ambitious.
	To build a platform that defined a new model for media on the internet.
	The problem, as we saw it, was that the incentives driving the creation and spread of content were not serving the people consuming it or creating it, etc., etc.
	We need a new model.
	And so he's basically saying the advertising doesn't work.
	It doesn't work for us.
	And we decided we need to take a different and bolder approach to this problem.
	We believe people who write and share ideas should be rewarded on their ability to enlighten and inform not simply their ability to attract a few seconds of attention.
	And he actually uses the V word.
	That you should be paid according to the value you provide to the people reading what you write on Medium.
	Oh my goodness!
	What a concept!
	Ten years in the making over here, Evhead!
	So you're going to see it all falling apart.
	No, you will.
	You're going to see it all falling apart.
	Jump to the conclusion.
	Well, he has the conclusion himself!
	We know the path ahead will not be easy.
	I thought it was a dumb idea.
	Medium or this post?
	Medium.
	Well, the post too.
	It's a blog.
	It's a shared blog.
	It's a shared blog where you're contributing.
	You're giving away your work.
	You're getting nothing back.
	It's a shared blog, people.
	Yeah.
	Anyone can set that up.
	Shared blog.
	Uh-huh.
	Uh-huh.
	There was never...
	One of the problems, if it's going to be a news medium or whatever you want to do, thinks it was...
	I don't know that there was a front page anywhere where you could be directed to the good stuff.
	I don't really.
	I mean, once in a while I run across something that's on Medium, but I don't really go there.
	I've never seen it.
	Maybe there is a front page, but I don't know that there is.
	I really don't.
	No, you can go.
	You want to write and get your opinion across it?
	Call up the New York Times and offer an op-ed.
	Or the USA Today.
	There's all these newspapers around the country and they love op-eds and they pay for them mostly.
	You don't get paid a lot.
	But you get paid more than you probably get paid at medium.
	Depends on the publication.
	But yeah, you can write these op-eds or you can write articles for newspapers and magazines.
	I could never understand why anyone was writing for a medium.
	It's because people have been taught not to think for themselves about how the internet works.
	No one has been really trained.
	They see it as a television.
	Like, oh, and there's networks out there, and there's networks you can write stuff on.
	No one really thinks that, oh, you know what?
	You can have your own server, your own website.
	You don't have to be a part of this.
	You can do a million different things.
	It's not taught that way.
	You can go to WordPress.com.
	There's another fantastic way to do it.
	And just buy, you know, now you don't have to buy anything.
	It's free, actually.
	And you can just, you know, if you want to put your own domain name on there.
	Which is just as disturbing to me, although logical.
	And when I read the Intelligence Joint Assessment Report, And this was the public report, all these tips for people.
	Why isn't there one single mention of encryption?
	Hey, congressmen, women, senators, you can encrypt your email and then no one can steal your shit.
	They can break in.
	I can tell you why there's no mention.
	Okay.
	The FBI has been promoting the idea for at least 20 years that encryption should be illegal.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	But it's a huge disservice to the American public.
	Yes!
	Exactly!
	Now more than ever...
	I'm getting encrypted email.
	And by the way, if you go to keybase.io, you can actually find people's public keys easily.
	You don't even need an email program.
	You can just type in your message.
	It'll give you the encrypted stuff.
	You can copy-paste it into your email.
	Same for decrypting, of course, if you want to go that route.
	I mean, it's really gotten quite easy.
	It's just a tip.
	Yeah.
	We haven't looked at the six-week cycle in a long time because for a while there was the six-hour cycle, but there was one that caught my eye that wasn't big news for some reason, but there was this guy who was, he said that he was a member of the KKK and he had this whole plan to kill Muslims with a ray gun mounted in a van.
	Okay, you gotta listen to this.
	I don't know this story.
	No, I didn't get any traction.
	His name is Glendon Scott Crawford, and he wanted to kill Muslims.
	I'm reading from ABC now.
	While they slept in their meetings with undercover agents...
	This guy and his co-conspirator, Eric Fate, said they were going to use a death ray gun that would blast Muslims who he labeled mere medical waste.
	If the plan was completed, the truck mounted radiation particle weapon would aim a lethal beam of radioactivity near mosques, Islamic community centers and schools.
	All of those target would eventually die from radiation sickness within two years.
	So the gun would be mounted inside the truck, drive to an area of high population of Muslims, and then he would beam this ray.
	So the...
	The FBI is on this, like, oh, okay.
	This is clearly a guy who's going to do, he's up to no good.
	And so they sell him a radiation device.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Well, this is definitely a six-week cycle formula.
	And I don't know what they sold him, like a couple of toilet paper tubes or something with aluminum foil?
	Yeah.
	Like a dental x-ray machine with a dish?
	Right, but this goes way above and beyond getting somebody some phony baloney detonator device.
	Hey, man, you're crazy.
	Here's your microwave ray gun!
	Come on!
	Get a job!
	Well, maybe that backlash within the agency is what got this squashed.
	Hmm.
	Hmm.
	That could be.
	Wow.
	So what happened to the guy?
	Did he get thrown in the slammer?
	Of course he's in the slammer.
	Oh man, damn it.
	I'm a douche.
	I had a new jingle for the war on cash.
	We talked about Bitcoin.
	I forgot to play it.
	Well, save it for the next show.
	It's too good, John.
	Yeah, I knew it.
	Monday!
	You better hide your stash because there's a war on cash.
	Oh, yeah, baby.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, that's Secret Agent Paul again.
	He's the best.
	He really is.
	He's like, I can't help it.
	I can't help it.
	I gotta do more.
	So I'm watching.
	Yeah, that's what happens.
	Well, a couple of things.
	Let's start with this.
	This is a I found it like I'm looking for codes.
	I found a new modified up talker.
	Oh, this is totally different.
	There's no up talking involved.
	It's just stretching out.
	Let me see if I can.
	I'm going to try to do it.
	It's stretching out the last word.
	So when I say a sentence, the last word will be stretched.
	Okay.
	But without up-talking.
	Do you want me to play?
	Yes, play.
	No, you gotta do it right.
	Yes, you must play.
	Okay.
	This wasn't supposed to happen at all.
	We were, like, this was supposed to be, like, a celebration.
	Like, happy six-month anniversary, Occupy Movement.
	Like, we're having a potluck, and we, like, fed people chili, and we're, like, enjoying each other's company.
	And I leave for, like, five minutes, and four people get arrested.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Borderliner for that.
	Borderliner.
	Good ident.
	Good ID, sir.
	I was just listening to her thinking, what is weird about the way she talks?
	Holy crap, she's just stretching out the legs.
	But it's not uptalking.
	That's interesting that it's flat if not down.
	Yeah, so it's not, but it's flat.
	It's not down-talking either.
	Right, right.
	But it's not up-talking, but it's got the up-talking style.
	It's just the extending the last word.
	Without any up-talking involved.
	It seems to be, it's probably some kind of, back to you, Bob, you know?
	It's a milieu.
	It's a milieu, yes.
	That's what I see.
	It's a milieu.
	You have to be on the lookout.
	It's like the code words.
	It's like, you know, if you got into it enough, you could tease out the reason.
	Hmm.
	You could tease it out.
	I can't even do it right.
	I mean, she does it perfectly.
	I think I could eventually get into it.
	I don't think so.
	I just need to work on it.
	Yes, maybe you should.
	Hey, what?
	Do you think that's funny?
	Yeah, see, it's a borderline.
	You have to avoid the borderline up-talking part of that.
	It's not easy, that's for sure.
	No.
	It's a milieu.
	You're in a milieu.
	You talk a certain way and everyone starts talking that way.
	Because somebody is the influencer.
	There's always an influencer in a milieu that creates the various idiosyncrasies.
	And everyone picks it up because for some reason it seems natural.
	Yes, it does.
	Okay, well you've identified that.
	There's a new meme.
	We've had fact check, fact check false.
	We've had post truth.
	And here's the new one.
	Be forgiven by the people who supported him time and time again when it came to actual facts.
	He really was kind of loose with the information that he put out there.
	Loose.
	Fact free.
	Fact free.
	Fact free, John.
	It's new.
	Fact free.
	It's fact free.
	It's like bullshit light.
	Fact free.
	Fact-free.
	Yeah, no, you can do it fact-free.
	Fact-free.
	So here I've got two clips from the Thom Hartman show.
	Oh my goodness.
	And he's also on Progressive 127.
	I do catch him from time to time.
	He's got this author on it.
	His first name is Alan.
	I can't remember his last name, but he's done books.
	He's got a blog.
	But he's a very erudite, kind of a professorial type of guy that Thawm looks up to.
	And so as the guy who was on pretty much claiming that Trump's going to save the world, Thawm will have nothing bad to say.
	And so as I'm thinking, well, maybe Thawm will have to be on the Trump bandwagon at some point.
	But this is about free trade and where it's going, where it's headed.
	And I thought as a background of these two clips that I have were quite...
	I think for the show in particular, because this guy has a few good things to say, which reminded me of John McCain, I thought this was an outstanding clip that I put together here.
	The reality check blog and author of the book, The Race to the Bottom, by a worldwide worker surplus and uncontrolled free trade are sinking American living standards.
	Alan, welcome back.
	Great to be back.
	It's always nice having you with us.
	So who is Robert Lighthizer and why is he getting praise from progress?
	Robert Lighthizer is a former aide to former Senator Bob Dole, a very important Republican for so many years, and also a former number two U.S. trade negotiator under President Reagan.
	And that's very revealing because for all of the free market and free trade rhetoric that you heard from President Reagan and from Reagan Republicans for so long, President Reagan was not such a free trader In practice.
	And in fact, he put into effect programs of trade protection for several key American industries.
	Steelers.
	Steel and semiconductors and textiles and machine tools and also automobiles that really help those very vital sectors mount very strong competitive comebacks.
	So, NAFTA, as I recall, was negotiated by George Herbert Walker Bush.
	That's right.
	And, in fact, he had a ceremonial signing.
	Reagan first came up with the idea of more closely-knit North American trade ties, but it was George Herbert Walker Bush who actually gave it its first major impetus, absolutely.
	Right.
	And so that deal was put together under the first Bush administration.
	It was signed into law by Bill Clinton.
	Right.
	Who lobbied very heavily for it in 1993.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, in 92, I mean, that was the issue of the election.
	And Ross Perot walked away with 20% of the vote because of that issue.
	No coincidence, right?
	Yeah, none whatsoever.
	So, even if Trump has people like Navarro and Lighthizer in his administration, Wilbur Ross, who supports the TPP, is reportedly...
	He did.
	He did.
	He's had a change of heart, which is great to see.
	Oh, interesting.
	Presumably, that means he has a very steep learning curve, which is also great to see.
	So we have Thawm being quite amenable to this character, as you can tell.
	And so they bring up the point, and they're talking about these trade guys that don't want, they're trying to kill all these trade deals which are ruining the country, especially for the Americans themselves.
	Americans are the ones who suffer from these trade deals, which is how Trump got elected.
	And so when they bring up the second part about how will anything actually happen, I thought there was a little bit of insight here, which is something that I think kind of reflects upon or should be reflected upon itself by the show because this is important.
	And I think of John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and all these people that are fighting it.
	So do you think that there's actually a very real possibility that the whole era of neoliberal trade policies, this giant experiment that arguably George Herbert Walker Bush started us on that has failed so badly, or at least in your opinion and mine, is over?
	Sure.
	I think it's a little too early to say that just because the forces that have created and that still support the trade status quo are so powerful and so wealthy and frankly so absolutely ruthless, they will say anything to To ensure that that trade status quo, that offshoring status quo, continues.
	We're talking trillions, really.
	Absolutely.
	But for the first time in living memory, we will have a president who has emphatically come down on the other side.
	And although no one can really predict how this looming conflict is going to end, given how unpopular with the general public these offshoring friendly trade policies have actually been, I think President-elect given how unpopular with the general public these offshoring friendly trade policies have actually been, I think President-elect Trump stands a Oh, okay.
	Did Thom's head explode when he said that?
	Well, he agreed.
	He said, I hope so.
	And I thought the element in here that was interesting was the forces against this.
	Trillions of dollars in trade that is going to middlemen and bankers and all these people that are just skimming the money off while we lose jobs and we have nothing to do.
	Kids can't get work in the summertime and all the rest of it.
	It's just part of this neoliberal problem, and it's all tied up with the Clintons and the Bushes, the Bush-Clinton crime family, and all the rest of it.
	And it's just, they're going to push back.
	And I think a lot of this anti-Trump stuff stems from that.
	Stems from that, sure.
	The people are freaked out.
	The elites, who are all involved in all this stuff.
	And it's decades and decades and decades of intermingling.
	And if you look at it from a meta level, They've really lost control, which is what all this fake news stuff and the internet no good and stay on Facebook and don't learn how it works.
	That's really what this is about.
	And then, oh my goodness, this guy's tweeting directly to the public?
	That's not how it's supposed to work.
	He has to go through us.
	Le gatekeeper's.
	So yeah, I think they're really afraid.
	Which is good, because it makes for good fireworks.
	Oh, it's good for the show.
	Yeah, that's what I mean.
	Good fireworks for the show.
	Except for the people that, you know, could not deal with it.
	And they bailed out on us, and I think there's more than a few of those.
	Yeah, that's for sure.
	I mean, there's some people who just ran out of money, or they couldn't, you know.
	Well, that has nothing to do with listening.
	You can still listen.
	Yeah, you can still listen.
	And Germany's cranking up with all kinds of trouble.
	Big headline Germany.
	Germany sees overwhelming sales of Hitler's Mein Kampf.
	Yes, this is very funny.
	The guy had to get special permission to do the reprint because it was against the law in some ways.
	Because he had these anti-Nazi laws.
	And he finally got permission.
	I guess he's been trying to do it for a long time.
	And then, boom, bestseller.
	Yeah, I bought it.
	I got the hard copy.
	It's on its way.
	It's been a long time since...
	Yeah, so there are a couple translations, and there's one translation which is done by the ADL, the Anti-Defamation League, which you don't want because it's basically taken out everything offensive, which is the whole point of reading the book.
	Which one did I get?
	I think there's the...
	I have an old copy that I collected when I was in college.
	Yeah.
	That is a fairly offensive book.
	There's no doubt about it.
	It's not very well written, to say the least.
	But the whole point of reading these books is to understand what these people were thinking.
	Well, you learn from that.
	The banning in Germany was always...
	Banning books is not a good thing.
	Not a good idea.
	Well, there's a word now that the German cops are using, which is a problem.
	They're using the word nafri.
	That means North African.
	Nafris.
	Bunch of Nafris over there.
	So that's like Paki.
	Yeah.
	Nafri.
	So now that is racist, of course.
	And the police are no longer allowed to use that word.
	Nafri.
	Whereas it seems like a pretty good collective if you're in law enforcement.
	Hmm.
	Yeah.
	Uh...
	I have a couple of oddball stories.
	First of all, let's take a little entremont with a little clip from a soap opera.
	I think it's Days of Your Lives or whatever.
	Another World?
	As the World Turns?
	I think that's what it was.
	They're all the same, pretty much show.
	But I just like the messaging that went on in this.
	And this to me was a subtle propaganda that was reflective of the Trump election.
	And it was also reflective of the thematic thing.
	I think people watch these shows.
	This is so subtle.
	It's hard to really put your finger on what they're trying to accomplish.
	But this was also a reflection of 2016 being a bad year.
	I know I made a pact with you, but I've had a crap year.
	Yeah, I know.
	I lost my law license.
	My husband tried to kill me.
	My life is a trash fire.
	So, yeah, I was drinking.
	Actually, I got hammered, and I slept really, really great, which makes me really, really happy.
	So, I'm sorry I didn't hear your messages.
	I got hammered.
	I got hammered.
	What's your point?
	So anyway, so that was like, I had a crappy year.
	2016 was the best.
	It was all thematic.
	She lost her law license.
	Her husband tried to kill her.
	This would be a bad year, I would say.
	Yeah, a day record for sure.
	And she had to get plastered on New Year's, hammered, as she puts it.
	And to me, this was a reflection of the kind of memes they're trying to push down American public's throat.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Subtle.
	Subtle, maybe.
	Okay, I have a story here I wanted to bring up with you.
	State Bill 1322, which is now in force in California.
	And I think this is a fine example of people having the right idea and they really want to do well, but come up with really stupid solutions.
	SB 13222 bars law enforcement from arresting sex workers who are under the age of 18 for soliciting or engaging in prostitution or loitering with the intent to do so.
	Yeah, I found this.
	Now that you mention, I should have noted this myself.
	I thought that was the weirdest thing I've ever seen.
	So in other words, you can be a 16-year-old hooker?
	Yeah.
	Well, here's the idea.
	Their belief is that decriminalizing underage prostitution is good public policy that will help victims of sex trafficking.
	How?
	If they get caught, they can be taken into treatment, foster home, etc., but not go to jail.
	That's the idea.
	That's the idea.
	But I think what it does is it effectively gives a big flag wave to creeps who are like, oh, okay, let me get a couple of 16-year-olds and we're in business!
	And one gets caught, boom, get another one!
	It doesn't seem so dumb.
	It doesn't seem right.
	No, I saw this and I could not understand it.
	Well, you're talking, this is an 80% Democrat state.
	That's why they got all these votes for Hillary.
	And most of the Democrats are the big, you know, horror mongers.
	Let's face it, they're limo demos.
	You know, the Democrats, the limousine Democrat.
	Limousine liberals, that's what they call them.
	And your DMV in California has licensed...
	806,000 undocumented residents for driving.
	Yeah.
	My goodness.
	Yeah, they can't get insurance.
	I got hit by an uninsured driver in Austin.
	Remember that with my truck?
	Yep.
	You're supposed to throw the book at you, take the regular old white mail that everyone pinches about, driving around, see your insurance.
	If you're in Washington State and you don't have an insurance card that reflects that ownership of that car, it's a $250 fine.
	And just over the transom, it has now officially been called a hate crime, and we were waiting for it.
	Thank goodness.
	All of it was posted to Facebook Live.
	We want to warn you, the video you are about to see is considered very disturbing.
	This young man tied up in the corner is believed to be from Crystal Lake.
	Police say he has a mental disability.
	Investigators say he was a classmate of one of the suspects.
	Apparently they met out in the suburbs.
	These subjects then stole a van out in the suburbs and brought him into Chicago.
	Police believe he went willingly initially, but that is clearly not the case based on three videos posted to social media.
	What you are about to see is disturbing.
	At one point, the victim is held at knife point and told to curse President-elect Donald Trump.
	The men can be heard saying they want this to go viral.
	Another video shows the group forcing the victim to drink water from a toilet.
	Throughout these videos, the victim is kicked.
	Hit and cut.
	Police believe he was released after being held anywhere from 24 to 48 hours.
	So this was the outrage lacked, of course.
	That's the reason why I bring it up.
	There's no outrage.
	This was not top of the news.
	They held this poor kid for 48 hours.
	Yeah, and beat the crap out of him.
	He was a white guy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I know.
	There's no news about this.
	And of course, the real news to me is how stupid are these guys to post this stuff?
	On Facebook Live, yeah.
	Well, you know, it breeds contempt.
	You're not going to get in trouble.
	And, of course, the Celebrities didn't mention that in their new video.
	No, of course not.
	Oh, man, it's really bad.
	Really, really bad.
	It's haters.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, this stuff happens all the time, of course, but to me, it's just the media reaction.
	The media reaction is what's so disappointing, although understandable.
	It's just like, geez, man, what is going on?
	No, but I would actually associate this again with the notion, the clip, That this is the free traders, you know, doing everything they can to control the media and make sure that this guy's presidency is in shambles from the get-go because God knows what's going to happen if we all get arrested.
	Okay, so here is a tech story.
	Well, you want to do that in tech news after the break, or you want to do that?
	Are we going to do a tech news?
	Well, I want to do a longer clip, because it's...
	Actually, I need to open up the gate for a second.
	Ow!
	Ow!
	Sorry.
	Yeah, you hurt yourself on that gate.
	Damn it.
	To the gate, to the gate, to the climate gate.
	That's right, everybody.
	Welcome to the Climate Gates.
	And today's Climate Gates segment comes to us from a guy that I'm appreciating more and more.
	And I like it, because you like to listen to his clips.
	Tucker Carlson.
	Oh yeah, he's got a role.
	And he's got someone from your neck of the woods, a Cal State, Sacramento, sorry, Cal State Professor Joseph Palermo.
	Palermo, I'm sorry, Palermo.
	And the reason I like this, and I just pulled a couple minutes from it, the reason I like it because he hones in on the 97% meme.
	Which I think actually this guy says 98%, but hey, he's from Cal State, so what do you expect?
	Yeah, if he was from the university system, it'd be better.
	Yeah, but you know, he's like 97, 98, who's counting?
	But he says things, and why he was on is almost irrelevant, because Tucker Carlson just hones in on, hey, and which is something that you just, you know, it's almost like sitting at one of my Obama bot dinners, which of course will never happen ever again in my lifetime, sadly.
	Where he's just saying, well, you just said this.
	How do you know this?
	Where do you get this from?
	And I thought it would be fun to listen to it because it just feels good when someone really digs in on television, you don't see it often.
	It was uncontroversial for me to accept the science of climate change that 98% of the world scientists believe is true.
	No amount of ideology is going to change the physics of that.
	What I meant was...
	Very interesting what he says.
	No amount of ideology is going to change the physics of that.
	After he said 98% of the world's scientists.
	So, again, he's a professor.
	And he is very callous with how he's talking.
	No amount of ideology is going to change the physics of that.
	What I meant was it was misconstrued on some of these right-wing websites.
	They didn't really read it.
	I think they came up with some really catchy headlines to get clickbait, to get eyeballs.
	No, I mean...
	Look, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.
	I don't think you meant that the police should ban it from Twitter.
	Okay.
	But I am interested in the claims you've made about climate science, that it's settled, and that 98% of worldwide scientists believe that.
	How do you know that?
	Are you a scientist?
	Or have you polled other scientists?
	Where'd you get that figure?
	Well, see, you know, that's another one of those interesting kind of questions, is that...
	By the way, I'm not holding you to...
	Huh?
	What?
	I didn't say anything.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I thought you said something.
	You sounded like that guy.
	By the way, I'm not holding you to account for censorship.
	I'm asking about the claim you just made that 98% of the world's scientists believe in something called climate science.
	Maybe you can explain what that is in a minute.
	But first, how do you know that 98% of the world's scientists believe what you believe?
	Well, listen, Tucker, I didn't want to get into...
	Are you a climate change denier?
	Are you a skeptic or what is it?
	Is that where you're at?
	Is that really what you're showing?
	The essence of science and of journalism is skepticism because it seeks to get to the truth.
	And I'm merely asking you, as someone who just said, as a statement of fact, that 98% of the world scientists agree with you, with whatever you believe.
	I'm wondering how you know that.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, science is not just what I believe, Tucker.
	I mean, all you need to do...
	But how do you know 98% of the scientists...
	I mean, I often hear people say that.
	How do you know that?
	That's just a simple question.
	How do you know that?
	Well, you know what?
	With your giant research team, you could send people out and find out about it.
	I'm really asking you to explain something you just said live on our show, which is that 98% of the scientists in the world agree with you.
	And the answer, of course, is you have no idea what climate science is, really.
	And you have no idea that 90% of the world scientists agree with you because that's unknowable, right?
	Well, let me...
	Well, let me tell you.
	They predicted a long time ago that we would have high precipitation events and low precipitation events.
	Well, in California, we have both.
	We have droughts and wildfires, which are low precipitation events.
	We're having high precipitation events, which is like flooding and hurricanes and really strong weather.
	How about NOAA? You believe in NASA? NOAA? DARPA? The Pentagon?
	Really, Tucker, you're going to contradict the Pentagon?
	The Pentagon accepts climate change, climate science.
	I'm merely saying, you're practicing a species of religion, where anybody who doesn't agree with it you believe is a heretic and should be penalized.
	No, because the essence of science is asking questions.
	And I asked you a very direct question, and you couldn't answer it because you have no idea what the answer is.
	No, I can't.
	But it doesn't stop you from running around talking about science, science, this, science, that.
	But you don't know!
	No, so it is a debate about climate change.
	Okay, fine, but if you go to a doctor, you don't say, well, I need heart surgery, but you must...
	How do you know how to do it?
	Well, guess what?
	There's trained scientists in NOAA and NASA, even the Pentagon.
	Okay.
	But you ask questions.
	You don't just say, I need my leg amputated.
	Okay, go ahead and say, well, why is that?
	And what exactly is wrong?
	Normal people ask questions and they're not shouted down for it.
	What you're trying to do to me is call me names because I'm asking you questions that you can't answer.
	I'm not calling you anything.
	I'm not calling you anything.
	I'm a denier.
	Well, no, I asked you if you are a skeptic or a denier.
	That's fine.
	I'm a skeptic of everything, including your answers.
	It doesn't make any sense.
	When you get on a plane, are you skeptical of the pilot's train to fly?
	I mean, I don't get it.
	And if the pilot smells like booze, I'm happy to ask questions about whether he's fit to fly because I'm an adult who's autonomous and I can ask questions like an adult.
	But you're a member of a religious sect that can't deal with honest questions.
	And that's my only point.
	And what was this guy a professor of?
	Like, economics or something.
	Not of climatology, nothing with that.
	And I just heard that Tucker Carlson will be replacing Megyn Kelly.
	Her spot.
	Now that she's going to NBC. Yeah, we should discuss that.
	Just for a second.
	Okay.
	This is going to be a disaster for her.
	I think so, too.
	It's a huge mistake.
	Yeah, she doesn't fit the model of an NBC anything.
	And the people at MSNBC, and the problem is they're going to bring her over from Fox at a huge salary.
	They're going to probably, I think it's like 15.
	I think 20.
	No, no.
	Fox offered her 20.
	She took less.
	To go to NBC? Yes.
	She saw more potential.
	At that point, it doesn't matter.
	She's got enough money.
	She doesn't have to work at all.
	But she's going to be getting a lot more money than a lot of these people who think that they've been there longer than they're the ones that should be getting this money.
	Why are they bringing this alien woman in who doesn't even look right for NBC? She's too flashy looking facially.
	She just doesn't fit the mold.
	I mean, everyone has their kind of a look.
	And it's, you know, the heavy makeup look that she employs is not something you see at NBC. And people who use heavy makeup at NBC, generally speaking, are shunned on.
	Floozy.
	Floozy!
	So they're going to see her as a floozy.
	Floozy.
	So she...
	Yes, I like that.
	So she's gonna...
	I just don't...
	And what's she gonna do?
	They're gonna give her like a weekend show where she's gonna try to...
	No, no.
	Daily show.
	No, she's gonna be...
	No, no.
	And a weekend show.
	She's getting two gigs.
	Yes, correct.
	She gets a daily Ellen show.
	Kind of an Ellen-like show.
	Yeah, that's where she's gonna fail.
	Oh no, she can't do it.
	She's not that personable.
	I mean, those shows, the reason Ellen works and some of these other shows that you see these daytime hosts, is because they're just these neutral characters that are really good.
	They have a Midwestern appeal to the stay-at-home moms and people like that who watch that crap.
	So they have a certain kind of an appeal.
	And Ellen's, I think, got it in spades.
	She's got the most.
	And Megan is just too harsh.
	She's a harsh, harsh type.
	Well, she is growing her hair out.
	That's obvious.
	So she will reappear with a new do.
	And I think it'll be at least shoulder length, maybe longer.
	She's really, really growing it out.
	I would be stunned if she doesn't still have a harsh quality.
	And then they're giving her a new show on the weekends, like the Chris Wallace show on Fox, where she's going to get to be her old self.
	But that's not going to work either, because what happens...
	That Fox and NBC have different ways of doing business and NBC is a classic, the original network, the original network, and they're the ones who are filled with suits.
	And the suits come in and they have suggestions and they have to rationalize being a suit in the first place.
	And they're going to come in and they're going to ask her to do this and they're going to prod her and she's going to do this and that.
	And, you know, she's not going to respond well to that.
	No.
	She was given pretty much free reign from what I can tell at Fox.
	You know what's interesting about Tucker Carlson?
	His dad was one of the original broadcast board of governors guys.
	Wasn't Carlson mostly on CNN before he moved to Fox?
	Yeah, with the bow tie, which was really stupid.
	But what he did, he started, is it The Hill?
	Isn't that his?
	Or The Daily Caller?
	Is that his?
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I didn't know that about him.
	All I know is he's definitely coming to his own at Fox, again, because I think they give you a little more free reign than they do at...
	NBC. NBC is, you know...
	Yeah, so he was on Crossfire, that was it.
	But then, yeah, the Daily Caller website.
	He's co-founder, editor-in-chief.
	I like him!
	Well, I never liked him before.
	Well, I didn't like him when he was in bow-tie mode.
	No.
	He was too reserved.
	No, that's the difference between when you're buttoned down by some operation, and I think NBC's going to do this to Megyn Kelly.
	She's not going to...
	I mean, she'll keep making her money.
	They're not going to get rid of her right away, so she'll be there for a few years trying to find a place.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But that's not going to last.
	I don't think so either, no.
	And, you know, this is one of the reasons our show is so good, because we don't have suits coming in bitching about, you know, oh, you're playing the recorder.
	I mean, yeah, so the listeners do it, but still...
	Still play it if I want to.
	And a suggestion from the chat room.
	We have post-fact, fact-free, but how about this one?
	Low-fact.
	Yeah.
	The low fact diet.
	I like the low fact.
	I think that's perfect.
	I'm going to show myself a little by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda.
	In the morning.
	We do have a few people to thank for show 892.
	That's right.
	8902.
	8902.
	I'm heading to show 900, which is going to be a big deal.
	Oh, I'm kidding.
	Thank a few people.
	Michael Peters, $100, and he's from some place or other.
	It doesn't say.
	He won $800 betting on a huge underdog in a UFC fight, so here is your cut.
	Oh, beautiful.
	Thank you.
	More betting.
	John Robinet, $100.
	Excuse me.
	Matthew Hertert.
	Hertert.
	Hertert.
	And he's going to be a knight today, and he wants to be dubbed Sir Hoopensucker.
	Is it Hoopensucker?
	Hoopensucker.
	What does he say here?
	I don't know.
	Read it for me.
	Over the last two years, as I've listened and donated, I've always planned to ignore my knighthood on the principle the work you do is more than reward enough for my money, of which there is no doubt.
	However, when I discovered I hit $1,000.68 on December 9th...
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	I know that.
	I could not be more grateful for having been Hoop and Socked in the mouth.
	Not quite sure what that's a reference to.
	That doesn't sound good.
	Anyway, that was 8888.
	So Roger.
	Such a short serene.
	Roger Boobs.
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	A very slow day today.
	Light.
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	Samuel Lichtenstein, 7581 from New York City.
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	And now the rest of these people are $50 donors.
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	And last but not least, N.J. Martin in Altrichum, Cheshire, UK. I don't know where Clearwater Bay is, but it's somewhere.
	Anyway, that's very short.
	Yes, we can do a short show.
	Well, let me pick one out of the hat here.
	Hey, Curry!
	Says Joe.
	Long-time listener.
	2005, I think, and a fan of yours.
	And John, I may be the biggest boner douchebag out there in the wild since I listen regularly for so long and have never donated.
	I finally needed the karma, so I found 10 extra dollars in my PayPal account.
	Since John doesn't smoke weed, you will have to smoke the dime bag yourself.
	Keep up the amazing work deconstructing and keep an eye on the elites.
	As for being such a boner and a douchebag for so long, all I can say is I'm unemployed and I think it's time for some job karma.
	So I did want to give him that.
	Anybody else who needs some job karma, of course, thank you to everybody who supported us today, especially these people who come in under $50, usually for reasons of anonymity, sometimes because you're broke.
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	However you can help, it's always appreciated.
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	Dvorak.org slash N-A Here's the karma.
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	Let's vote for jobs!
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	And we have someone who's going to be sending one of our lesser donors at the bottom.
	He's going to be sending us an email.
	He just says anonymously, he's she.
	Have not listened to the last show.
	Got a good trans talk on the previous show.
	There's a lot of discrimination within the trans community.
	I got something coming up for that.
	Got something coming up.
	Did the email come in?
	No, no.
	I have a segment.
	Oh, okay.
	But first, John.
	It's your birthday, birthday Oh, no, I'm not sure Ah, very short indeed.
	And we have an email from Lisa Stelter.
	I request a birthday shout-out for my son's first birthday on January 8th with a small donation.
	I'm sorry it's all I can afford right now, but it's in addition to our monthly subscription.
	His name is Sammy.
	I wanted to make sure it was seen because I know PayPal can be fussy.
	So yes, happy birthday to Sammy, turning one on January 8th from your mama, Lisa Stelter, and from Uncle John and Adam, of course.
	Happy birthday!
	And then we have one knighting, just one, so let's get this blade, blade, blade, blade, blade.
	Okay, here.
	I'm sorry, it's stuck again.
	All right, Matthew Herter, step on up, friend.
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	So I hereby pronounce the KV... Sir Hoopin' Soccer!
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	I had a...
	You know, somebody can do a Mutton and Mead song for us based on one of those Bing Crosby, Bob Hope tunes that they did in one of their road shows.
	I can't think of it.
	It was something and something.
	I'll have to dig it up.
	Like one of those back and forth songs?
	Yeah.
	Between two people?
	Huh.
	I would prefer someone just made me some mutton and mead.
	I mean, just send that.
	Make it yourself.
	Yeah.
	And we've been talking and had gotten a lot of response about Camille Paglia.
	Her view on transgenderism.
	And, of course, a lot of people have been sending me stuff.
	I think that, in general, certainly the No Agenda listeners, I haven't heard anyone push back on the, hey, under 18, maybe it shouldn't be made so easy.
	Maybe it should be delayed if you want to have some kind of sex reassignment surgery.
	I'm happy.
	There are people who have...
	Crazy things.
	Maybe it was even a book I read once.
	A guy who felt that his right leg was just not supposed to be there, and he wanted it amputated his entire life.
	Have you heard this?
	There are people that have these feelings about different parts of their body.
	Yes.
	And really are not happy.
	There's actually a name for it.
	I can't remember what it is.
	Yeah.
	I'd like to know what the name of that is.
	It's a syndrome, I guess.
	It's a syndrome, yes.
	But they're really not happy until they have their leg amputated.
	And there's ways to get that done.
	The, what, this bit that I'm going to play today is of a mom who has a daughter, well, she had a son, and the daughter, the son, has, and I think it's five or six, very young child, and has determined, and the mom is all in, of course, and you'll hear, that, oh no, I'm definitely not a boy, I'm a girl.
	And one of the great moments of their lives was to go meet Oh, and I forget her name.
	The actress who's on Orange is the New Black, the black transgender?
	I don't watch the show.
	Okay.
	But she's very famous.
	Very famous transgender actress.
	And they're going to go and meet her.
	And so in this, I just pulled a minute and a half from her podcast, which she does sometimes twice a week.
	And I just wanted to listen to how she's speaking, how proud she is, and how all in she is on this entire movement.
	And we can discuss and people can draw their own conclusions.
	Yeah.
	I was standing about 10 feet away, snapping pictures.
	And I was too flustered to turn on my recorder or to say anything intelligible to Laverne.
	But I stepped forward and I think I said...
	Yeah, Laverne Cox, that's her name.
	That's the big transgender star.
	...forward and I think I said, I'm her mom, and thanked her for being a role model or something.
	And then Laverne bent down and gave my child a hug.
	And I heard her say, Remember, honey, transgender is beautiful.
	What was the coolest thing about meeting Laverne Cots?
	Well, the most exciting thing was that I actually got to hug her.
	She didn't want to do hugs because she didn't want to get sick.
	But I was just like, Laverne, I love you!
	And she was just like, how could I say no?
	You're so cute!
	And then she hugged me.
	And I was really excited.
	Super, super, really excited!
	I wrote all this down and posted it on my blog, along with photos of my daughter with Laverne.
	A few days later, the story blew up.
	I heard from People Magazine and the Today Show, and the photos of my daughter with Laverne Cox were suddenly everywhere, even on the homepage for Time Magazine.
	Friends from all over the country saw the photos and recognized my child and wrote to me.
	I had made sure that none of the photos showed her face, since I didn't want her to be identified.
	But my friends who already knew she was trans could tell that it was her.
	Wow.
	I know.
	Nobody is critical.
	In fact, this is just some impressionable kid.
	Yeah, no.
	No one is.
	And there's just too much in the system to allow...
	It's just normal to accept.
	I'm sure she's hailed as a hero for helping her son, daughter, and being a role model herself.
	Please.
	Please.
	I have the same problem with beauty pageants.
	I have the same problem with all kinds of things that parents push their children into.
	Let the kid grow up a little bit before you make these decisions and push this.
	And she's clearly enamored by the fact that her kid's a celebrity now.
	Oh yeah, this is the big trap.
	This is the problem.
	It is the problem.
	Apotemnophilia.
	God, I can't pronounce it.
	Apotemnophilia.
	Yeah.
	A-P-O-T-E-M-N-O-philia.
	Apotemnophilia.
	How would you pronounce that?
	I don't know.
	I'd have to write it down and look at it for a minute.
	Neurological disorder.
	Apotemnophilia.
	Apotemnophilia is a neurological disorder characterized by the intense and long-standing desire for amputation of a specific limb or need to become paralyzed, blind, or deaf.
	Wow, some people must be very jealous of me.
	What?
	A more recent term is body integrity identity disorder.
	Oh, God.
	There you go.
	You can't win.
	It has features in common.
	The media encourages it.
	Yeah.
	It has features in common with somatoporafarina, which seeks surgeons to perform an amputation or purposely injure a limb in order to force emergency medical amputation.
	Holy moly.
	That's almost as crazy as John McAfee.
	You know, here's the problem with the John McAfee clip.
	We have children that listen to the show.
	There's no problem as far as I'm concerned.
	No problem with the clip?
	No.
	I think there's a lot of problems with the clip.
	Then why did you clip it?
	I had mixed feelings.
	I clipped it too.
	Well, I think we should put it in the show notes and let people listen to it if they want to listen to it.
	Because I don't think we'd gain anything by actually playing the clip.
	To be honest about it.
	Okay.
	It's kind of gruesome.
	For one thing, it's sick.
	Yeah, but it's not like it's something that isn't going around.
	It's not like you can't find it on YouTube.
	I mean, it's not like this is not a category.
	Well, if you want to just do a show on weird sexual behavior...
	Isn't that what the show is about?
	That's not our show.
	Our show's about politics.
	It's not about strange goings-on with guys...
	Was he not a candidate?
	For the Libertarian Party?
	Yes, he didn't get the Libertarian nomination.
	Anyone could be a candidate for the Libertarian Party.
	More interesting is that I guess that whole...
	I didn't see the whole document.
	No, it's right.
	Is the documentary on Netflix?
	Showtime.
	Oh, Showtime.
	Yeah.
	You know, maybe if we just say a disclaimer and like, you know, if you got kids...
	I'm against it.
	We can put in the show notes, which gets them to go into the show notes, because people don't use it enough, and they can listen to the clip there.
	This is the first time we've actually, and I'm not fighting you that hard, really.
	We've had other moments where we've decided not to do something, or you cut a clip off.
	I'm just cutting it off before it's played.
	What I'll do is I'll just give a little preview.
	Here's the preview.
	Ready?
	Ready?
	That's the preview.
	Yeah, kind of.
	Everyone's free.
	The chat room is freaking out.
	Now, go to the show notes.
	892.noagendanotes.com Yeah, you should go there anyway.
	Now, I got a complaint from somebody about the show notes, and I can't say I totally disagree with them.
	Alright.
	They say that the problem with the way you've got the show notes set up, which is very slick...
	With all the sub things, the drop downs and all the stuff.
	It's a little too slick for their taste because they said they'd rather have all the show notes on one page that they could just search the page using control S or F. Control F for find.
	Then they could find these things.
	They say they can't find a lot of the stuff because they don't know how you categorized it.
	You have sub menu after sub menu after sub menu.
	It's very difficult when you're doing research to use the show notes efficiently.
	Right.
	So, a couple things.
	One, our search.na show notes broke.
	The guy who did it, you know, so that used to be the easy way because it was indexing.
	See, it actually is one page.
	It's one HTML document.
	It just has tabs built into it.
	Maybe there is a way that I can put a search box for that page that I'll work on that today.
	Which is just a big bucket archive.
	So if you go to Google and you type in site, S-I-T-E colon, adam.curry.com, space, and then your search term, you're searching all the show notes across the board.
	It's very reliable.
	And there it is.
	Very reliable.
	That's the solution.
	Very, very reliable.
	I should mention one thing.
	The use of S-I-T-E colon has not really been necessary for the last six months to a year.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Well, I didn't know that.
	If you just put curry.com and then the search term.
	No, no.
	It has to be adam.curry.com.
	Oh, so whatever.
	Adam.curry.com.
	And then the Google search, it'll come up fine.
	Let me just check.
	Oh, you're, uh, no.
	No, you're wrong.
	No, I'm not.
	I just did it.
	What couldn't you find?
	No, because now, try it.
	Just look for anything.
	It doesn't give you a list of what's on that server.
	You have to use the site.
	I'm sorry, I think you're wrong.
	I use site, and then I get all the listings from adam.curry.com.
	All I know is I've not been using site.
	I've been getting good results.
	Uh, yeah.
	This is what you want.
	You're up.
	That's it.
	Oh, you're up.
	Yeah, you're up.
	The show is done.
	We're done.
	No, no, no.
	Oh, yeah, I got something.
	Okay, I got a couple things.
	Let's start with, let's do the, I thought it was a funny thing, you know, the Istanbul shooting.
	Yeah.
	That took place with this guy.
	Here's an interesting little tidbit that showed up on the Richard Engel report on NBC. The Peabody Award winning scammer.
	I just thought I'm shooting.
	I ISIS said the attacker who shot unarmed people was a soldier of the brave caliphate.
	The gunman was firing at victims inside the club for seven to ten minutes, reloading multiple times, witnesses say, and still managed to escape, even though there's a police station just across the street.
	What?
	ISIS appears set to be on the offensive in 2017.
	Today, ISIS said it killed dozens in a bombing in Baghdad.
	Just last month, that deadly truck attack in Berlin and now Istanbul.
	Rock and his friends believe the gunman had help inside the club.
	Turkey has released images of the gunman and says it has its fingerprints, but has yet to find him.
	The fear here is that he could slip into ISIS territory in Syria before they do.
	Cops across the street.
	Nobody cares.
	Yeah, of course not.
	Now, here's a story that came up that really had me baffled because I think this story was just underreported.
	This was overreported but not reported at all, which is the guy locked in the luggage story.
	Oh, I hadn't heard about this.
	Where did this take place?
	I think the guy was flying from, I think, Texas to Charlotte or something, got locked in the luggage department.
	Okay.
	Some scary moments in the sky for an airport baggage handler when he got trapped inside the pressurized cargo hold of a United Express.
	Hold on a second.
	I don't believe the cargo hold is pressurized.
	I think it is.
	That's not going to put dogs in there.
	Oh, okay.
	Trapped inside the pressurized cargo hold of a United Express flight from Charlotte, North Carolina to Washington, D.C.'s Dulles Airport.
	The plane took off yesterday with the employee stuck inside.
	He was freed only after it touched down.
	Fortunately, he was not hurt.
	Okay, now, this was a bad reporting job to me, because you know, you have to know that somebody locked him in there as a joke.
	Of course.
	One of his buddies.
	Hey, man.
	Let's lock him in.
	Who's going to die?
	No, no, it's pressurized.
	Don't worry about it.
	And even though it's the express ones, I'm not sure how pressurized those are, but they don't go that high.
	And so somebody locked him in, but there was no reporting on this, because when he got out, didn't anyone ask him a question?
	That son of a bitch, Louie, locked me in again!
	I thought it would have been a good story if they got to the, you know, the little personal human interest part of it.
	Yeah, well, the Curry Dvorak Consulting Group is, of course, always available.
	You can hire us.
	I wanted to do...
	It would cost them money to actually ask a question.
	I had wanted to do a tech news segment about CES, but maybe we can do that on Sunday.
	Because, you know, all the tech horny shows are out there and they suck at it and it's just no good.
	And it's the stuff that is at the consumer electronics show is so ludicrous, so unnecessary.
	I'm sure you've seen some coverage I've seen a lot of coverage, and it's like these products are like, okay, they got a new TV that's got Roku built in.
	It's 4K, and they got a new camera.
	The new camera does 4K, takes 4K movies at 60 frames per second, which is a big deal.
	And then it's all these kinds of things.
	It's these little upgrades, and then there's some gimmicky, crazy products that are stupid.
	Yeah, this is what CES is every year.
	That's why I don't go to it.
	Right.
	Or, here's another idea.
	We could do a bit where we're actually at CES. Yeah, yes, yeah, we could.
	We could.
	Let me think about how unentertaining that might be.
	It would involve some pre-production and writing, which is honestly...
	Yeah, it may take a little more words than I'm interested in.
	We're actually pretty bad at that.
	Well, we're not.
	We're good at it, but we just don't like doing it because it doesn't really...
	That's my point.
	It doesn't do us any good to do it.
	It's just kind of like, yeah, it's an ego thing.
	All right.
	Because we're so good at it.
	All right, everybody.
	Thank you very much.
	So remember to check out the show notes to look at the Clinton Foundation stuff.
	And if you want to hear that, John McAfee.
	That'll be in there as well.
	Along with the video, actually, which is kind of funnier, I think.
	When you see...
	Oh, the video's...
	Yes, the video's better than...
	The video's actually a better way to do it.
	Just to look at these girls as they roll their eyes.
	Yeah, very funny.
	There you go.
	You know it's good now.
	All right, everybody.
	Thank you very much for your support.
	Remember, we have another show on Sunday.
	Dvorak.org slash NA. That's where you can support us and keep your artwork and your clips and moral support coming.
	It's all appreciated.
	Coming to you here from the Crackpot Condo in the skyscraper in downtown Austin, Texas.
	We are in the capital of the drones.
	We are the capital of the drones, Star State, in FEMA Region 6, in case you're looking forward on the map.
	Until Sunday in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I remain with no fanfare, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We'll be back on Sunday right here on No Agenda.
	Adios, mofos. Adios,
	mofos. Adios, Adios,
	mofos. mofos. Adios,
	mofos. Adios, mofos.
	We did cherry bombs down the toilet.
	Cherry bombs are compared and don't compare to what a cube of sodium metal can do.
	You flush it down the toilet, it gets pretty far down, and it just blows up the entire sewer system.
	I can't believe someone came up with that.
	Amen.
	This is the show.
	You better hide your stash Because there's a war on cash By 1848.
	Desta was not hacked.
	Desta was a fishing scheme which, by the way, hacked.
	He gave into an ugly relationship within a year or two.
	The things that make them simple may be like 1917.
	Desta, by the way, was a juvenile relationship within a year or two.
	The things that make them simple may be like 1917.
	Desta was a juvenile relationship within a year or two.
	The things that make them simple may be like 1917.
	Maybe 1990.
	Do you think it was his fault?
	Do you think it was his fault?
	Yes!
	Do you think it was his fault?
	Yes!
	Maybe like 1917.
	Yes!
	Maybe 1990.
	Like 1848.
	A year like 1917.
	In the morning.
	In the morning.
	And you're right.
	We've got to get some jobs.
	We've got to get some jobs.
	But we must, we must, and we will much about that be committed.
	Where can we march behind that?
	What the hell did he say?
	I don't know, but yes, we're with you.
	But resist, we much.
	We must, and we will much.
	About that, be committed.
	But resist, we much.
	We must, and we will much.
	about that.
	Be committed.
	Be committed.
	Adios, mofo.
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