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	This is all about gas.
	Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
	And Sunday, December 11th, 2016, this is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 885.
	This is No Agenda.
	Always on guard for modern old tubes and broadcasting live from the darkest corners of the internet here in Austin Tejas.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where Plato say, woman who mourned election results, not over the hill.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We are so professional.
	Yeah, it only took an hour to get the opening, right?
	Amazing how we shake that out, isn't it?
	I'm a little worried, a little anxious.
	And why might this be?
	Well, in the past, whenever I've done an appearance somewhere and you don't say anything to me for two days, it's usually because you're angry or you hate me.
	I hate you.
	You didn't say anything.
	No, what was I supposed to say?
	There was nothing to it.
	I got to watch you on the Seed Man show, and here's what I witnessed.
	You were sitting there in the middle, trying to carry the show amongst Max Kaiser, who must have been, I think he must have been booked by Stacy, it seems to me.
	Kaiser was disinterested.
	He looked like, for people out there who are going to recognize this reference, he looked like Bill Belichick on a bad day.
	I don't know who Bill Belichick is.
	Yeah, well, that's what we had here.
	And so Kaiser's over there sulking in the corner.
	Can I just say something about that?
	And I told you he had some personal issues going on, which he didn't want to talk about on the show, so I'm not going to mention it.
	I told you what was going on, and so that's part of it.
	Okay, I accept that.
	That ended badly, is what I'm saying.
	You could have...
	Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
	That's terrible.
	That's what I'm saying.
	So, yeah, well, then he shouldn't have been on the show, but that's fine.
	He did get in a couple of things.
	You tried to plug...
	And Alex actually gave the URL. Coming back from every commercial break, of which there were quite a few.
	Oh, I only saw like one segment, I guess.
	I didn't see the whole thing.
	I was on for an hour and a half.
	What?
	Oh my god, John, you missed so much good stuff.
	I even dropped in the...
	Oh, okay.
	Well, I didn't see that.
	All I saw was what you had linked to, which was just a short snippet.
	I even dropped in the theater Kaczynski.
	Are you kidding me?
	Oh, I can't believe you didn't see it.
	Oh, man.
	No, I saw the Kaczynski...
	Okay, luckily.
	Luckily.
	I got the Kaczynski reference.
	It was just over everybody's head.
	Yeah, of course.
	Let me tell you, here's the thing that was most interesting to this entire...
	Stop, stop.
	Premise, premise, background.
	What were you doing on the show?
	Okay.
	I get a signal text, you know, encrypted from Stacy.
	Hey, because they had interviewed Jones the day before.
	They said, hey, you know, we were talking about you and he really wants you to come on the show with us tomorrow.
	Like, well, okay.
	And then she said, well, I'll get you time and details, etc.
	And, you know, so then it was Friday morning.
	Like, you know, I'm not like some whore who's just going to jump up and down.
	But then, you know, they said, oh, they're going to pick us up.
	But it turned out you were.
	Yeah, of course.
	And I think you appreciate that I did that.
	I would hope.
	Yes, of course.
	So, stage says, alright, they're coming here at noon, they're picking us up in the van.
	I'm like, hold on a second, are we getting hoods thrown over our heads?
	And we're getting thrown in the van?
	I'm like, I'm not doing that.
	I will follow in my car.
	Which was okay, as it turned out.
	And this is a complex, it's unbelievable.
	Okay, so you went over to the...
	The clandestine compound.
	The compound, I did indeed.
	And it's big.
	And there's 50 people there.
	Yeah, it's a lot of overhead.
	Well, the warehouse with all the stuff, which I think actually doesn't have seeds anymore, sadly.
	I did ask for some.
	You wanted to get some seeds?
	Yeah, they gave me two boxes of all of their stuff.
	Oh, cool.
	I've got the male vitality, I've got the DNA repair.
	Oh yeah, I've tried it all, I feel great.
	I'll bet you do.
	Tina's like, wait a minute, how much of that did you take?
	I'm not coming over you with that male vitality stuff.
	Stay away from that.
	But the thing that was most interesting to me is because it really came together very quickly.
	And so, you know, really the only announcement was about a half hour before Max and I went on.
	They tweeted out a picture of Max and I said, oh, they're going to be on.
	And I guess I kind of underestimated because...
	Everyone there was really excited about MTV Guy.
	It was kind of like I had to reset my brain.
	Because I'm there with Max and Stacey in a whole different vibe.
	And I was like, oh, it's MTV Guy.
	Oh, I watch you.
	MTV Guy.
	And then I'm put in the middle.
	I didn't realize how this was going to go down.
	But okay, I'm good to try.
	But very little preparatory work possible.
	But, to me, the most interesting thing was the response from audiences.
	And, of course, this crossover between our show and Infowars.
	And people are like, oh, I can't believe this!
	You hypocrite!
	You always make fun of him to see, man!
	What's wrong with you?
	And then people are saying, Alex, don't have him on!
	He makes fun of you!
	He's a douchebag!
	And I'm like...
	And here's my conclusion.
	We have an audience that is quite something.
	And they do, too.
	I would say Infowars' audience was pretty...
	But the thing that's interesting is that our audience should appreciate that we're trying to make the audience bigger.
	And we need to do these promotions as much as possible.
	We don't do half as much as we should.
	And I would say I'm partly responsible for that.
	Well, it goes even further, John.
	But our audience should be appreciative to say, oh, that's funny.
	Instead of saying, hey, he got on the Seed Man show and don't say anything to anybody.
	This is pretty funny.
	They start jumping all over it in a negative fashion.
	I was prepared.
	Because I've never met Alex.
	I don't know.
	We'll see.
	But to me, this is real life.
	This is not social media where you disagree with someone or someone makes fun of you and then you block them.
	That doesn't work that way in real life.
	You made fun of me.
	I'm going to block you.
	Now, quite honestly, I sometimes get tired of people.
	I block them.
	I block people constantly.
	In real life, You know, Jones comes up and says, hey, how you doing?
	Hey!
	You know, it's just like, and the minute we started the show, I said, let me just get the elephant in the room out of the way.
	I'm sure you saw that bit where I said, well, we love you.
	You're a big part of the show with your clips.
	It's fantastic.
	They're grown babies and cows!
	Did you see that part?
	Yeah, I saw that.
	That's how you just eliminate all the issues.
	There's no animosity.
	We make fun of him?
	Yeah.
	Do we call him the seed man?
	Yeah.
	We call Hillary Clinton Lucifer.
	Plippity-clop.
	I'm sure they call me Jitterhead somewhere.
	Who gives a crap?
	This is how grown people...
	That's the one thing I didn't notice.
	I'm watching you fight Tourette's.
	I know, it's like a constant battle.
	I have to think on my feet and fight Tourette's.
	It's very hard.
	I hate television.
	I'm probably one of the few people that appreciate watching that.
	Now everyone's watching for it.
	Like, hey man, your Tourette's, careful man, your Tourette's is showing!
	Like, what am I gonna do?
	It even gets worse.
	Stop!
	Right, that's actually, that's the funny part about it.
	It gets worse.
	It gets pointed out.
	It's like calling somebody out when they're blushing.
	And that really helps.
	You turn beet red, just pointed out that, hey, wow, you're blushing, what's going on?
	And then boom!
	Yeah, it gets worse.
	Ears turn bright red.
	Yeah.
	Oh, man.
	Well, you got some promotion in it.
	That's a plus.
	Yeah, and I'm sure he'll have me back.
	They should.
	You're local.
	I know.
	You should be like the Tony Randall of the show.
	Another reference.
	Johnny Carson used to...
	He would always have...
	No, no.
	Like David Letterman had Regis Philbin when a guest canceled.
	Yeah.
	Somebody cancels.
	Some guy comes in.
	He fills in.
	Yeah, that's me.
	And he can carry it.
	He can carry it.
	He's not like a slouch.
	That's me.
	The backup.
	That would be you.
	I think, though, I could probably do a show with Max.
	I could probably do something with him.
	Yeah, I don't think Stacy's going to go for that.
	No, I'm pretty sure that she's not.
	No, no.
	It was good.
	I appreciate the invite, and I appreciate the ability to plug the show.
	And he did give our URL every single time coming back from the break.
	I think the responses in general were pretty good.
	Well, he knows the game.
	Yeah.
	And that's what it is.
	You know, he's only 43?
	Yeah.
	I never had a clue what his age was one way or the other.
	What do you think?
	Does he appear older to you?
	Yeah, more my age.
	He's like, oh man, I watched you and I was 12.
	I'm like, thanks.
	Hi.
	I was a little boy.
	I saw you on the television.
	Well, what I told him is, yeah, you know, we could see you back and man, please, you got to go wash your hands.
	And then we were buddies.
	It was good.
	The only thing I didn't get to do was, but I guess I kind of forgot it, but it wasn't the right vibe, the right thing for it.
	I wanted to at some point say, hey Bill, I just want to see if he would respond.
	Oh, the Bill Hicks joke.
	Yeah.
	Everybody invited me to go shooting on the ranch and hang out.
	Oh, definitely go shooting.
	Kidding me?
	Those guys...
	Does he have a collection?
	Does he have a gun collection?
	He does.
	He didn't show me.
	By the way, I did want to mention...
	You shouldn't have it at the studio.
	No, this is the thing.
	Everyone's open carry.
	Although I didn't...
	It was...
	I think I was hyped a little more than what I saw in the studio because we were like, oh, you know, we were there yesterday.
	You know, these guys got AR-15s across their back and they got, you know, they're carrying guns everywhere.
	And so I was strapped.
	I had my.380 in my inside jacket pocket.
	I don't know what these guys are going to do.
	I was ready for anything.
	Jeez, you guys in Texas have gone crazy.
	I'm now concluding, by the way.
	I was sitting there with a loaded.380 on the show.
	You will be, this is part of the situation.
	I've finally decided this.
	And you're going to become a liberal, too.
	A gun-carrying liberal, which is, I think it's that black mold.
	It must be.
	I think in Austin, the reason for the politics and everything else is because you're very slowly being poisoned.
	Well, that's Alex Jones' assertion.
	What?
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he has all these allergies, too.
	He says, this is horrible.
	This is, what do you say, biological warfare.
	I believe it.
	I believe it.
	I mean, or let's say, I believe the possibility.
	Hell yeah.
	I'm reminded of the Star Trek show where there's this pollen that everybody gets, and then they want to be all love, and they all become this, including Spock.
	Oh, wait, that's on that planet where there is the love planet?
	Yeah, I remember that.
	Yeah, and the next thing you know, they don't want to leave, and they're stuck, and they've all become these goody-goodies, and it's kind of humiliating, actually.
	And I think this is maybe what's going on with you, and this could have something to do with the Facebook posts.
	How you get from me carrying a loaded weapon for protection to I'm going to be a liberal voting for the Democrats, I don't understand.
	I can make this logical leap.
	I think you need to work on it a little.
	I prefaced the whole thing with gun-toting liberal.
	Oh, gun-toting.
	Now, well, the liberals around here do not, repeat, do not toad guns.
	Well, then maybe when you eschew the gun at some point, you'll say, you know, I think it's dumb having these guns around me all the time.
	I'm going to get rid of them.
	Then I'll know.
	All right.
	Sure, John.
	Sure.
	You're the one.
	So let's get...
	Yeah.
	What?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, I did want to say one thing, that the best point I felt made on that appearance was Max Keiser hammering, because it's very hard to tell when he's serious or not, but hammering on the fact that there has been no conclusive, no true investigation of Russian propaganda.
	He says, why aren't people calling me?
	I'm right there.
	I work there.
	I can tell you exactly what's going on.
	Call me, please.
	No one has ever called me.
	No one's interested because they're not.
	Which, of course, is true.
	But I thought that was a good point.
	Yeah, well, they're not interested.
	They just want to, you know, like this article, which I cited in the newsletter.
	Yeah, your newsletter was very good, and I think it may be a bit of the foundation for today's show.
	And I'd like you to reiterate what you said, because you actually don't typically come out with such a strong opinion in a newsletter.
	Not normally, but this one here was getting to me because of the...
	The nature of it.
	It started with this New York Times article.
	I mean, I had a sneaking suspicion that I was going to do something like this.
	But the New York Times article, and I'll look at it.
	I've got it here.
	And the headline is, Trump mocking claim.
	Claim.
	Claim.
	That's a key word to always look for.
	Oh, yeah.
	Mocking claim that Russia hacked election at odds with the GOP. And then it goes on about this David Sanger who showed up.
	And what the New York Times did is they used the information the Washington Post had compiled as the basis for that story, correct?
	Well, mostly.
	The Washington Post is the one that's pushing this.
	And of course, they're the most anti-Trump of the group.
	And I think this is the last-ditch effort by the Republicans.
	And this is what I like so much about what you wrote, because I don't think people understand that that is what's actually happening.
	Democrats, Democrats.
	No.
	No, these are the never-Trump people, I guess.
	Well, and then if you want to look at...
	In fact, let's start with this clip.
	Okay.
	Who are the two Republicans most likely to be involved in this?
	Lindsey Graham and John McCain.
	There you go.
	Come on.
	That's the answer to everything.
	Now, here's Charlie Rose talking to McCain, who's all in on this thing, but he's got some other things to talk about.
	He's going to do hearings, hearings.
	Oh, boy.
	And he laughs in the middle of this discussion, like he's scheming some evil thing.
	And just wait for the laugh.
	It's right, as Charlie Rose mentions it, he...
	He says, why don't you go talk to Trump?
	And I'm previewing it.
	And McCain says, no, I don't have to talk to Trump.
	We're going to have hearings.
	Monaco, what is our policy if we detect an attack is...
	Coming to the United States, what is our response if there is an attack?
	And look at the whole scenario of how the United States of America responds to this threat.
	There is none.
	But why wouldn't you, as chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, request a meeting with the president-elect to talk about this?
	I promise you the best way to have that dialogue is to declare that there will be hearings and policy making and legislation coming out of the Center Armed Services Committee.
	I promise you that will prompt a dialogue.
	And it's going to take some time, Charlie.
	It's not something that we're going to be able to do overnight.
	Do you believe you have to turn the President-elect's Understanding around on this because, I mean, basically what he said to Time Magazine, he said, I don't believe the Russians interfered with the election.
	It could be Russia and it could be China and it could be some guy in his home in New Jersey.
	I believe that it could have been Russia and it could have been any one of many other people, sources or even individuals.
	That's what the president-elect said to Time Magazine.
	Well, in some respects, he's right that all of these are players that he mentioned.
	The problem is that he may not quite understand that the best at it and the most hostile and the ones who have probably had the most significant impact over a number of years are the Russians.
	They're the best at their job.
	General Rodgers, Admiral Rodgers, has basically said the same thing.
	All these experts have said, our director of national intelligence has said it, that it's the Russians who are by far the most active in this kind of behavior, but it's not confined to Russia.
	Mm-hmm.
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah.
	Dick!
	Total.
	Total dick.
	Here is another clip along these lines.
	This is the background because it's Obama that wants to do a big investigation.
	Oh, I have this spokeshole with that announcement.
	Do you have something else for the announcement of Obama's investigation?
	This is kind of just a rundown.
	So play the spokeshole.
	And this is a backup spokeshole.
	We should mention that what we're talking about here is that Obama has decided that they want to get all these intelligence agencies together and do a definitive report to show Trump Get it done before Trump goes into office.
	That means they've got to get it done in the next 60 days.
	They're going to put it together and show Trump that Russia's a bunch of creeps, and they're not to be trusted.
	That's really the goal of this.
	And that's the goal of McCain.
	The president earlier this week instructed the intelligence community to conduct a full review.
	Now, very important words here.
	A high confidence assessment.
	What is this?
	Climate change?
	Everyone agrees.
	Yeah, well, high confidence, John.
	That's not proof.
	That's not definitive.
	It's, we have high confidence.
	Yeah, I got high confidence.
	Well, no, let me finish his thing.
	In the high confidence assessment that was released this past October, the intelligence community made very clear that this was activity directed by the highest levels of the Russian government.
	Now, that is a lie.
	That was never said.
	What was said was this kind of activity could only come from the highest echelons of the Kremlin.
	They didn't say it was definitively so.
	Very clear that this was activity directed by the highest levels of the Russian government.
	They did not say it very clearly.
	So as we've made clear...
	They like to say it was very similar.
	Of course.
	We are committed to ensuring the integrity of our elections.
	And this report will dig into this pattern of malicious cyber activity timed to our elections, take stock of our defensive capabilities, and capture lessons learned to make sure that we brief members of Congress and stakeholders as appropriate.
	What the president asked for is a review to look at malicious cyber activity timed to our presidential election cycle.
	And so it will be broader than just looking at this past election.
	Now, there's two things I want to say before you go into your spiel.
	One, I just want to read very briefly the important paragraph from the Washington Post article that started this off because it's very important.
	It's very different from the headline.
	Here it is.
	The CIA shared its latest assessment with key senators in a closed-door briefing on Capitol Hill last week, in which agency officials cited a growing body of intelligence from multiple sources.
	Agency briefers told the senators it was now, quote, quite clear that electing Trump was Russia's goal, according to the officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.
	So anonymity is always an issue.
	Here we go.
	The CIA presentation to senators about Russia's intentions fell short of a formal U.S. assessment produced by all 17 intelligence agencies.
	Fell short.
	A senior U.S. official said there were minor disagreements among intelligence officials about the agency's assessment, in part because some questions remain unanswered.
	And the thing that's jumped into my mind right away is where did we hear this before, these minor disagreements?
	It was about the aluminum tubes.
	Yes, it was about the aluminum tubes.
	It was the same language.
	Minor disagreements.
	And then that turned out to be a whole false premise and people died over it.
	So the headline is very, very different from the actual story, but that doesn't matter anymore.
	Beautiful launch.
	Thank you, Washington Post.
	Well, as the New York Times goes into this, they decide to just do some kind of minor, very slick, I'd say slick character assassination.
	Let's see, in the first, second, third, fourth, fifth paragraph, it's just a straight-up quote.
	To have the president-elect of the United States simply reject the fact-based narrative that the intelligence community puts together because it conflicts with his a priori assumptions.
	Wow!
	And wow, of course, is a word that Scott Adams likes to talk about as useful as a propaganda tool.
	Said, and this is that quote was said, Michael Hayden, who was the director of the NSA and later the CIA under President George W. Bush, not mentioning that he's probably a war criminal and he's still under investigation.
	Yes.
	But he does his job because his job now is to be a spokeshole for the, you know, some...
	For security firms, for selling gear.
	Anyway, it goes on.
	But the thing that I just want to reiterate is that the, which I put in the newsletter, which is the real, was the gripe of mine, was what is wrong with the Republican Party?
	because you have the McCain's and the Lindsay's are only just two of many Republicans who have come out and said, we've got to investigate this election.
	Who are they kidding?
	They're the ones who won the election.
	And now they're saying, I guess why we didn't win.
	Maybe Hillary should have been the president.
	Let's see.
	Let's investigate this.
	And maybe there's some way we can get her into office.
	And maybe we shouldn't have the majorities in the House and the Senate.
	We shouldn't have that.
	We because it was rigged by the Russians.
	And, you know, and of course, my comment was, first of all, this even bring that up instead of siding with Trump on this to make people question the elections just brings out the protesters and keeps them.
	Not my president meme alive, which I outlined.
	Which, by the way, I think those protests are gone.
	Didn't they just die away?
	Where are they?
	Well, they'll, believe me, as soon as he gets an off senator, you still have J, what's the date?
	J-20, J-20, J-20.
	The J-20 situation.
	There's going to be a huge protest that day.
	Why are you protesting?
	Well, Trump's not the real president.
	Even the Republicans don't think he's the president.
	This is the problem that I have.
	Are the Republicans so stupid that they're all behind this idea of blaming the Russians for everything?
	It seems so.
	Well, you know, here's the way I see it.
	And I did see a little glimmer of hope.
	See, if we solve our so-called problem with Russia, we solve a lot of crap in the Middle East.
	I mean, that just kind of falls away.
	So it's not just that we don't have war-mongering and fear-mongering against Russia, but then we don't have all this beautiful stuff that we can sell and give to the Saudis.
	Yeah, I know we can't rebelize so easily.
	We can't rebelize and we can't make sales.
	So I would say many of the, not just Republicans, but many people in Congress...
	Yeah, they depend on their re-election funds for the military industrial complex.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I would say that.
	I would say that, too.
	They don't give a crap about the American people.
	That's McCain and Lindsey in caps.
	They're leading the charge.
	Hell yeah.
	Along with Schiff from the Democrats.
	I got a clip on him.
	Well, yeah, there's a number of Democrats.
	Democrats are easily on board with this, but it makes sense.
	I got a clip for him later.
	Well, let us play this little clip here, which I think was an honest clip.
	This was Charlie Rose again.
	This guy Isikoff, who used to be a very famous journalist, now with Yahoo News.
	I haven't looked up into what happened to him, that he's gotten downgraded to such an extreme.
	But he talks about this in the same, oh God, we've got to investigate the Russians.
	But he slips in some actual facts about these intelligence agencies and what they think.
	Yeah, no, that's...
	I love just starting off with, hey, yeah, no, boom, there we go.
	Yeah, no, that's...
	The FBI took the lead on this throughout, but this is clearly going to encompass the entire intelligence community.
	I should point out that probably the strongest public statement has come from Admiral Mike Rogers at the National Security Agency, who, although he didn't say Russia...
	It made it clear that he was referring to a nation-state that tried to influence our election.
	And he said something even further, intending to affect that election.
	And that is probably the biggest open question here.
	What were the Russians, if indeed it was the Russians, what were they up to?
	What was their motive?
	Was it simply to destabilize and create confusion in the American politic, as they have done in many other countries?
	Or was this a concerted effort to influence the results of the election?
	No, this guy is all in.
	He's buying it.
	But he's truthful when he says that Rogers never actually said the Russians.
	Yes, and I want to follow that up.
	And I want to say this before you do that, which is that if they had real proof, they would say they have proof.
	Well, thank you.
	Bob Bear, I'm sure you saw the clip.
	I don't get this one at all.
	Well, well, well, well.
	Kicker to it.
	Which, of course, was not the piece that went viral.
	Here's the thing that everybody saw, I hope.
	If I should say, Bob Bear, he's always billed as ex-CIA operative, and he works for CNN. Just a little more background.
	His story has been told on this show.
	I want to mention this because this clip, I think, applies to this.
	He came out of the University of California, where he knows better than what he's saying.
	Continue.
	Why does he know?
	Why does he know better?
	He knows.
	If you go to Cal, you know enough about the Constitution, all the rest of it that you can't do.
	You can't even close.
	This is bull crap what he's suggesting.
	Well, he actually even addresses that.
	The Russians, it looks like to me, did interfere in our elections.
	We'll never be able to decide whether they change the outcome.
	But I tell you, having worked in the CIA, if we had been caught interfering in European elections or Asian elections or anywhere in the world.
	Or like, I don't know, tapping Angela Merkel's cell phone.
	Those countries...
	Yeah, or fixing the elections in any country, name a country, or name blank space in South America.
	Just give me a color, I can show you a country.
	...for new elections, and any democracy would.
	And I just, I don't see it any other way.
	I mean, the Electoral College before the 19th has got to know whether the Russians had an effect, whether they went to WikiLeaks.
	Whether they hacked email and whether they affected American opinion.
	And they had a good reason not to go after Hillary Clinton.
	Putin hates her for the Ukraine.
	Bob, if I'm hearing you correctly, you're saying we should have another election?
	How would that work?
	Is that plausible?
	When a foreign country interferes in your election and the outcome is endowed in the legitimacy of the government, I don't know how it worked constitutionally.
	I'm not a lawyer, a constitutional lawyer.
	God!
	But I'm deeply disturbed by the fact that the Russians interfered.
	And I would like to see the evidence.
	Because if the evidence is there, I don't see any other way than to vote again.
	I mean, as an American citizen.
	Okay, that's the clip that everybody saw.
	And of course, I too was like, is Bob Bear on drugs?
	This is insane what he's saying.
	But then he did drop this in, and I liked it.
	What we need to do is see the forensics on this.
	We need to see it fast.
	And I want to see the detail.
	The CIA at this point can't say we have to protect sources and methods.
	The outcome is too important.
	Sometimes you have to sacrifice sources, and I think now's the time.
	Okay.
	So that's a good point.
	Now is the time.
	You gotta show.
	Show your cards.
	Show your cards, CIA. They got nothing to show.
	Of course they got nothing to show.
	Duh.
	That's the way he could say that.
	Do you have other clips regarding this?
	Because I do have the shift thing I wanted to play for you, which was just amazing.
	Okay, play the Schiff thing.
	Okay, so Schiff was on Tucker Carlson, who, my God, this guy is starting to get really good.
	He took off that bow tie.
	You brought this up before.
	I said, I think it was the bow tie was choking him.
	I think so, too.
	So he has a Schiff on, and you can stop it whenever you want.
	This is way cut down from what it was, but he just went after him continuously.
	So this is, you'll recall the letter that I was sent.
	This is the one that a number of senators sent to President Obama saying, we have information, you have to open up an investigation.
	He is one of the guys who signed that letter.
	He is ground zero, along with a couple of other senators, for instigating this.
	Schiff is a congressman.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Well, here, it's a different letter then.
	Hold on.
	I think you mentioned it in the intro.
	...the effort to delegitimize the presidential election.
	Some in Congress are demanding that President Obama brief them on Russian interference with the election.
	I guess it's a different letter.
	Sorry.
	The Russians, quote, hacked our democracy and they're mad about it.
	Joining us now is one of the members who signed that letter, House Intelligence Committee ranking member, Adam Schiff of Burbank, California.
	Congressman, thanks a lot for joining us.
	Good to be with you.
	So one of the complaints in this letter, which is pretty interesting, is that Russia, and I'm quoting now, hacked our political institutions by, among other things, giving us access to John Podesta's emails in WikiLeaks.
	Now, I'm against hacking people's personal emails, for sure.
	I think it's a problem.
	But no one contests that those emails were real, and the information in them was true, and voters got to see that, and it helped them assess how they wanted to vote.
	Why is that bad?
	Are you really arguing against more information for voters?
	And are you really arguing in favor of a foreign adversarial party hacking into the American...
	No, I'm explicitly not.
	I'm just saying that once information comes into the public view, then why is that bad?
	Then if we're in agreement that we shouldn't tolerate foreign countries interfering in our election, hacking and dumping of information, then we shouldn't condone it in any way.
	Now, are you saying that...
	That we're going to look the other way and we're going to ignore Russian interference because they brought to light the facts that were helpful to one candidate or hurtful the other or of public interest.
	The voters had a chance to evaluate that.
	They made their decision.
	But if we're going to protect ourselves from further Russian meddling in the future, we're going to have to call them out on it.
	We're going to have to inform the American people about it.
	We're calling you out.
	Hey!
	We're calling you out!
	And Donald Trump may have been the beneficiary, and I think he certainly was, of the Russian meddling this time.
	But when President-elect Trump has to cross Putin, as invariably he will, because Putin is not our friend.
	The President-elect may think Putin is our friend, but he's not.
	Then he may be the subject of the same interference.
	I get it.
	I get it.
	Nobody's for hacking.
	Let me just make one clear point.
	You don't know that Vladimir Putin was behind those hacks.
	Well, we do know this.
	But you don't know that.
	This guy deflects everything.
	So let's not pretend that you do.
	Well, let's not ignore what the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Director of National Intelligence said publicly, which is that these hacks were of such seriousness, they could not have taken place without the approval at the highest levels of the Kremlin.
	That's speculation.
	Well, it is speculation.
	It is not speculation.
	You can only say speculation.
	It's a statement of fact.
	It is a statement of the intelligence community's best assessment.
	And you can quarrel with that thing.
	Because there's a political reason to do it, but this is what the intelligence professionals are saying.
	Well, they've told us a lot.
	You know, I've lived here a long time.
	I remember vividly the massive stockpiles of WMD in Iraq.
	Which the intelligence community assured us were there, and they weren't.
	So, pardon me for my skepticism.
	I think it's a patriotic position.
	But let me just say this.
	We know...
	Tucker, let me just say this.
	You don't have to take my word for it.
	You don't have to take the director's word for it.
	Ask the Republican members of the Intelligence Committee.
	I get it.
	But here we've had hacking...
	All Americans, Democrats and Republicans, and particularly, you know, of the party of Reagan, ought to be concerned when we have Russia...
	I get it.
	I love this.
	What a douchebag.
	The party of Reagan.
	Yeah, Reagan.
	We're arguing that voters should not have had the right to see that information.
	This is the question.
	This is the thing that I think he's spot on about this.
	We didn't have the right to see this?
	If you could take it back, would you say, voters, you're not allowed to see that information?
	Well, I would say that we ought to stop Russia from doing this.
	Now, whether the press should publish the information...
	Wow, do you think they should?
	Now, it's going to get worse, because now Schiff is so...
	This guy answers absolutely nothing, and he does a very good job with, I would say, and all these...
	Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.
	These performatives.
	Now...
	Carlson's going to do something which I dislike severely.
	He's going to say, look into the camera and say, blah, blah, blah.
	Oh yeah, that is chicken shit.
	But, but, Schiff's response is beyond, and they just, I mean, this could have ended in fisticuffs.
	Fisticuffs, I say.
	That is a different question.
	I think that there are some cases where the public interest is so great they should publish.
	And more importantly...
	You can't say that you know the Putin government did that.
	More importantly, for the president-elect today to say that he doesn't know whether the Russians...
	Look, you're on the Intel Committee.
	Let me just ask you one final question.
	Can you look right into the camera and say, I know for a fact the government of Vladimir Putin was behind the hacks of John Podesta's email.
	Absolutely.
	The government of Vladimir Putin was behind the hacks of our institution and the dumping of information.
	Of John Podesta's email.
	Not only in the United States.
	He's so quick, this guy's like...
	Yeah, of our democratic institutions.
	And then Carl says, no, no, no.
	No, no, no.
	Come on.
	It was the Podesta email.
	But also in Europe.
	Okay, you're not...
	You know what?
	You're dodging.
	And Tucker...
	No, look and say, I know they did.
	John Podesta's emails.
	They hacked us.
	And I think that Ronald Reagan will be rolling over his grave.
	Ronald Reagan.
	You're carrying water for the Kremlin.
	I'm not carrying water for the Kremlin.
	I love this.
	Now the insult.
	You're carrying water for the Kremlin.
	Now we're going.
	Yeah, you're carrying water for the Kremlin.
	Who did that?
	I think that Ronald Reagan is rolling over his grave.
	Ronald Reagan.
	You're carrying water for the Kremlin.
	I'm not carrying water for the Kremlin.
	You're a sitting member of Congress on the insult committee, and you can't say they hacked.
	You're going to have to move your shoulder.
	It seems like he said the insult committee.
	It could be.
	But wait, Schiff is going to make a horrible statement.
	Watch this.
	We're carrying water for the Kremlin.
	We're not carrying water for the Kremlin.
	You're a sitting member of Congress on the Insult Committee.
	It does sound like the Insult Committee.
	Yeah, you're on the Congressional Insult Committee.
	You're a sitting member of Congress on the Insult Committee, and you can't say they hocked.
	You're going to have to move your shoulder to RT Russian television because...
	You know what?
	That's just so beneath your office because it's so dumb and you're being duplicitous.
	I'm asking you, did they hack Podesta's emails and you can't say it?
	You just said I was carrying water for Putin!
	That's pretty hilarious!
	You know, when you essentially are an apologist for the Kremlin, that's what you're doing.
	I'm going to apologize.
	One last time, Congressman.
	Look in the camera and say they hacked John Podesta's emails.
	We know for a fact that Putin's government did that.
	You can't, and you know you can't, and you're hiding behind weasel worms.
	I just said that the Russians, I'm not going to be specific as to whose emails.
	Oh, because you don't know it, that's why.
	All right.
	Done.
	One.
	You don't know it, and you don't know it.
	And you're alleging it without any evidence that it's wrong.
	You're ignoring the evidence because you don't care.
	The fact that it helped the Republican candidate is all you need to know.
	That's totally false.
	I just think if you're going to make a serious allegation about an actual country with an actual government, you ought to know what you're talking about.
	And you don't.
	I think that you ought to accept.
	I've got to go.
	I'm taking cash from Putin now.
	I'm on RTL. The Republicans on the Intelligence Committee have seen for a fact.
	If you could say it, you wouldn't.
	And you know that.
	If you're willing to be I appreciate that, Congressman.
	And now I need to take a call from Vladimir Putin, so I'm going to put you on hold for one second and do this tease.
	I thought that was pretty good.
	He's off the deep end.
	Totally.
	I mean, both of them.
	Speaking of RT, I don't know if you caught that, but Max told me that before the appearance as well.
	Do you remember the girl that quit on air, the one who said Putin?
	Yeah, Putin.
	He said that the same people who got her to quit on air had asked him to quit on air, and they had money.
	They were offering him money, and they were from Voice of America.
	Wow!
	Yeah.
	How about that?
	Only on the No Agenda show.
	Uh-huh.
	Then he said it wasn't enough.
	How much money?
	He said it wasn't enough.
	He didn't go in.
	He said, oh, the a-holes.
	You've got to show up with some real cash.
	Isn't that great?
	Yeah.
	So the Voice of America is the one who got that girl to quit on the air by bribing her.
	Well, that's according to Max, yeah.
	It's the only thing that makes sense to me.
	Mm-hmm.
	She wasn't getting paid a lot.
	They're not paying big dough over RT. They don't know what the scale is.
	No, no.
	And so they're probably paying her like some, I don't know, nothing.
	And so she gets a, you know, they offer 50 grand and she takes it and she goes up and does some local TV somewhere and makes more money than she was making on RT. Exactly.
	Well, you know, luckily Max is not like that.
	Now, you know, so this Russian hacking, and by the way, I could tell it really pissed you off because you were actually tweeting congresspeople.
	I was, every once in a while, I'd say something, I'd give them shit.
	You were tweeting Lindsey Graham, like, hey, hey, because Lindsey Graham said something like, wow, Russian is hacking democracies all over the world, and John replies, oh, that's our job!
	Hey, they should get out of the way!
	That was good.
	Yeah, I said that.
	So, part of this is, in a way, I also did a tweet about, oh, you mean like in the Ukraine?
	Yeah, I saw that one.
	Or in Ukraine, I didn't even, I said it right, actually.
	And part of this is supporting, or dovetails, or maybe is intended to support, the idea that we can change the Electoral College's vote on December 19th.
	No, it's the 20th.
	No, it's the 19th, you're right.
	You said the J-20 earlier, it's J-19.
	No, sir.
	It is J-20, hashtag J-20.
	I thought it was hashtag J-19.
	No.
	No, hashtag J-20.
	And I know because it was a bad hashtag.
	It's a bad hashtag because a lot of the J-20 China's new fighter shows up.
	Okay.
	Well, 1920-21.
	It's J-something-something.
	Yeah.
	But on December 19th, the Electoral College...
	For people to understand, we don't live in a democracy.
	This is a republic.
	We have rules, baby.
	Yeah, we're crazy, but we're also not one country.
	We are 50 states.
	We are a United States.
	There was a reason to have balance.
	But Michael Moore is leading the charge.
	Excuse me.
	By the way, I think it's almost a...
	There's two things going on.
	I think it's a felony to try to coerce a voter.
	Yes, it is.
	And that means any voter.
	That means you, when you go to the polls, you can't have somebody come up there and say, I'm going to punch you unless you vote for Hillary.
	I don't know if it's a felony.
	I don't know if it's a felony.
	I think it's a...
	Well, it's definitely against the law.
	And I think it is a felony.
	And these guys are having their lives threatened.
	We've played clips before.
	The Electoral College folks.
	Well, what's happening, and there are a number of people leading this charge, but Michael Moore is definitely up ahead of the pack.
	We live in two dimensions right now.
	Two complete different realities in the world, but certainly in the United States.
	It's undeniable.
	It's like the dress.
	Remember?
	It's blue and silver.
	It's gold and black.
	Whatever your reality is, is your truth, and no one's going to change it.
	So we're going to be listening to crazy for a long time.
	But Michael Moore, wow, pretty much unconstitutional, unpatriotic, and douchebag.
	He was on Seth Meyers.
	Here's the Democrats' biggest problem, and this includes people who voted for Hillary.
	They don't act like they won.
	They won.
	She's 2.7 million votes ahead of Trump tonight.
	Yeah, but I want you to really listen to what he's saying.
	Yeah, almost 3 million, almost as many votes as Obama got in 2012.
	Right.
	All right?
	So the Democrats, this is the second time this has happened in 16 years.
	It happened with Gore, where they win the popular vote, but lose the White House.
	This would be like the Giants beating the Patriots 21-19, and then the sportscaster's going, well, it's too bad the Giants lost that game.
	No, it would be more like they had more yards rushing, and they passed the ball more, but they lost.
	Is that a better analogy?
	That's a really good analogy.
	Hey, for a non-school guy.
	I'm stunned by this analogy.
	You stunned me.
	You don't know who Bill Belichick is.
	But I know my football.
	Sportscaster's going, well, it's too bad the Giants lost that game.
	It was like, no!
	We have to get rid of this Electoral College.
	The majority of our fellow Americans do not want him in the White House, but because of an arcane law from the 1700s...
	Hold on.
	An arcane law from the 1700s.
	Let me think what that could be.
	Is it...
	Wait.
	Wait, it's in the Constitution!
	Yeah, the entire Constitution is arcane.
	Instead of saying it comes from the Constitution, and if you want a constitutional amendment to change it, fine.
	No, it's an arcane law.
	Do not want him in the White House, but because of an arcane law...
	I can't believe you said that.
	...from the 1700s that was set up to placate the slave states, so they would join the Union, so they gave them a little more power.
	Thank you for saying that.
	I believe if you want to change this because they needed a little more power, the slave states, then you also need to change the amount of senators that people have.
	Or maybe, you know, this is exactly the other side of the coin.
	You have the same power as other states.
	It was an equalizer.
	Was it based on slaves?
	Sure, sure.
	So they gave them a little more power because they had a lesser population.
	Yes, thank you.
	Is he not explaining exactly why the Electoral College exists with this statement?
	Pretty much.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so it's to balance things a little bit.
	Yes, yeah, because we're the United States, not...
	Because, well, what he doesn't say, he says, because...
	To balance things a little bit.
	Otherwise, California wins everything.
	He's not going to say that.
	He's not going to say that.
	California is responsible for the 2.7 million in popular vote over...
	I mean, there was like 70 to 30 or something was the vote here because nobody cared.
	And the state is completely washed over by the Democrats.
	In the area that I'm in, it's 80% Democrats always.
	Yeah.
	No, everybody's got a safe seat.
	So if you want to just turn the country over to California, because there's the tail that'll wag the dog...
	Well, it wouldn't matter if all of a sudden all of California moved to Texas, which, by the way, seems to be happening, we would have the same issue.
	Texas also couldn't determine the election if we had, you know, 100 million people here, and as, John, as you assert, we're all going to be liberals, gun-toting liberals.
	No.
	So that's why this electoral college is in place.
	But wait, it gets better.
	So they gave them a little more power because they had a lesser population.
	And the irony of a man who said so many things that were racist during the campaign, that he would benefit from a law from the 1700s to placate the slave states, the irony of it is unbearable.
	But the other thing the Founding Fathers thought about this...
	Now here it comes, because he's going to speak the truth.
	But here is where we're going to see, and this is very important, two dimensions, same information.
	Then I interpret it one way.
	Michael Moore interprets it another way.
	Not that I don't understand his interpretation.
	Here it comes.
	But the other thing the founding fathers thought about this, and this was Hamilton's, one of his genius ideas with it, was that maybe there should be a stopgap.
	Just in case a madman or somebody who thought he was going to be king gets elected, there's that one final door he's got to go through.
	Exactly!
	And I believe it worked.
	Which is to say, yeah, you've got two ways of looking at this.
	It worked because it kept a...
	Criminal person.
	With more popular votes.
	Who got the most popular votes as someone might.
	For whatever reason, because she's a woman.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, it worked.
	But if you want to take it from the other's perspective, it didn't work because you got this guy, this other guy beat Hillary.
	He obviously was pro-Hillary.
	Well, and so now they're saying...
	I know, this is like the great, this is the dimensional divide that you were talking about.
	This is it.
	This is it.
	This is exactly it.
	Two people seeing the same thing in two different ways.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	That is what's going on.
	He has another little prediction of what's going to happen.
	He's not president of the United States yet.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	He's not president of the United States yet.
	Yeah.
	He's not president, right?
	Right.
	He's not president until noon on January 20th of 2017.
	That is, what are we, this is Wednesday night?
	Yeah.
	So that's more than six weeks away.
	Would you not agree, regardless what side of the political fence you're on, this has been the craziest election year.
	It certainly has.
	Nothing anyone has predicted has happened.
	Yeah.
	The opposite has happened.
	Yes.
	So is it possible, just possible, that in these next six weeks, something else might happen?
	Yeah.
	Something crazy.
	Something we're not expecting.
	So that could either be the Electoral College deciding somehow...
	Which they won't do.
	That's not happening.
	Well, you know, they're trying to get...
	What is he doing?
	Is he predicting an assassination?
	That is the only other thing it could be.
	I mean, if he said before December 19th...
	Is he advocating an assassination?
	That's how I... What is he saying here?
	That is one...
	One dimension could read that that way.
	Yes, for sure.
	It sounds like it to me.
	And I'm looking at all these stories about the Russians and all the rest of it.
	You know, all this last-ditch effort.
	I don't believe that the Republicans have given up on the idea that Trump shouldn't be president.
	Maybe Pence will be okay.
	All I see is this.
	So it goes like this.
	Assassination takes place.
	Oh, well, that's too bad, but he wasn't going to be good anyway.
	He isn't president yet.
	And he's not president yet.
	And you didn't assassinate the president.
	It's different.
	Now, this is pathetic.
	Yeah, it is.
	And the Republicans are on board with this.
	A large number, yeah.
	I think most of them.
	Really?
	You think most of them?
	I listen to...
	Are they high?
	What do they want?
	I mean, what do they want then?
	They don't want Trump as president.
	They never did.
	You know why?
	I know why.
	The Louisiana and so there's now the two final Republican Senate Two final senators or two final senators have been filled by Republicans.
	So now I guess their britches are all up high and they're like, oh, we don't need it.
	And now we got the House and the Senate for sure.
	Now we don't need Trump.
	Is that what you're thinking?
	Possibly?
	Well, no, they'll get Pence.
	They still have a Republican.
	And Pence is probably a little more amenable to what they want to do.
	Well, then they should wait.
	As far as I'm concerned, Trump is a host cannon.
	So unless they're really, really high, it would be very messy to have anything happen before the 20th.
	If you want Pence in, then you've got to wait until the inauguration.
	It makes no sense.
	Makes no sense to me.
	No, it...
	What?
	I'm not sure what the situation is if the president-elect is dead before the inauguration, if the vice president just gets that job automatically, which is what I suspect.
	We've looked at it.
	We've looked at it.
	Well, we looked at it, and what conclusion did we draw?
	I don't remember.
	I don't like thinking about these things.
	I really dislike it enormously.
	It's bad karma for everybody.
	Well, these guys are pushing it.
	And what you just heard from that guy is the same thing.
	They're pushing it.
	These Republicans are all in with this.
	I saw Paul Ryan.
	He was on CNN. No, he was on Hannity.
	Hannity, yeah.
	He was all in on investigating the Russians.
	All in.
	And you know what?
	Here's what I like about...
	And again, this is just a matter of how you want to see it, what dimension your feet are in.
	For Trump to possibly, who the hell knows, to possibly nominate Rex Tillerson of Exxon, Is incredibly frightening to people like McCain and Graham and everyone else, because that would mean, oh, gee, there are not many people in America of high-level executives who know Putin.
	This guy does.
	And he's the guy that can bring together some peace.
	Of course, if you live in a different dimension, you're like, oh my god, we're going to be owned by Russia!
	Oh!
	Got Putin on speed dial!
	Yes!
	I got face bagged, baby.
	I see what's going on.
	So there's a lot of issues, and it does kind of revolve around the $650 billion a year that goes into the military-industrial complex.
	And we've had this shot across the bow.
	Hey, Boeing, Your shit's too expensive.
	That's a shot across the bow.
	Well, let's start with, let's play this good, Pentagon Report 1.
	It's about time.
	I gather there wasn't a great deal of cooperation across the board, but they did come back with a report, and what did it find?
	Well, what they found was pretty striking.
	This is kind of Hard, I think, for most folks to understand, but the Pentagon actually, up until then, had no idea how many contractors actually worked for it.
	So they were trying to figure out how many people work in its business operations, and they found that more than one million people worked in these core business operations, like you said, healthcare management, human resources.
	Didn't we play this clip on Thursday?
	Yeah, you did a repeat clip last show, too.
	I just want to remind people what's going on.
	Things that any organization needs, but even for the Pentagon, one million is a lot of people.
	These are essentially desk jobs, and that compares to only 1.3 million active-duty troops.
	So the back end of the Pentagon was almost as big as the tip of the spear, so to speak.
	Yeah, you can stop.
	We also have to mention the old Rumsfeld thing about the lost money.
	$2.3 trillion on September 10th.
	2001.
	Oops!
	That was the best one.
	And the clip we didn't play is this one.
	This is the part three of this clip.
	This is where Trump is bitching about the Boeing jet.
	Well, speaking of the president-elect and speaking of the Pentagon.
	Yeah, because I remember asking you to.
	Oh, okay.
	But that's okay because I have some Pentagon-related clips.
	Well, Pentagon slash CIA. The Uncle Tom of the Democratic Party.
	Uncle Tom!
	Tulsi Gabbard.
	Oh, yes.
	Tulsi is on a tear.
	This woman has got to be stopped.
	This woman's got to become president.
	She's fantastic.
	She obviously never got...
	I get the sense that she was like...
	Got into Congress.
	Never got courted by anybody.
	No one ever thought to tell her to, hey, here's what you don't do.
	There's that.
	But it reminds me of...
	I get the sense that Congress is kind of like prison.
	You get thrown in prison.
	And you get one gang or another who wants you to be, you know, with them.
	Your bitch.
	To protect you.
	Yeah.
	From the other gangs.
	Right.
	And I just get the sense that nobody invited Tulsi to any of the parties.
	I think they only asked you some Hawaii.
	You know, she's cute.
	She's a surfer.
	Hawaii.
	But of course she's a vet and she's dynamite.
	I could watch her a lot.
	Do you agree with Donald Trump's vision of America first when it comes to foreign policy?
	I'm glad to hear him talking about ending our country's Interventionist regime change war policies.
	As you know, this is something that I've been talking about for years, that we need to stop the destruction that's been caused by our country continuously getting involved in these counterproductive regime change wars that not only end up strengthening our enemy in groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda, but they actually end up causing more suffering for the people in these countries where we are intervening, as in Syria now.
	I know you feel that way about Syria and Libya and Iraq.
	Do you feel that way about Afghanistan?
	Afghanistan is a little bit of a different situation, but yes, essentially.
	Now, I have the next clip.
	It's also on Jake Tapper.
	It's about a bill that she introduced.
	And I have the clip of her speaking for a minute in front of Congress, but it's pretty much exactly what she says here.
	And this, wow, coming from a Democrat, it's just surprising, but it's so true.
	And Tulsi Gabbard, 2020.
	And tell me about the legislature.
	You have a bill that you introduced today that would address loopholes.
	You say have allowed American taxpayer dollars to fund terror groups such as al-Qaeda and ISIS in Syria.
	Are you really suggesting that the U.S. government is funding these terrorist groups?
	I'm not only suggesting it.
	This is the reality that we're living in.
	Not directly, though.
	Most Americans, you know, if you are...
	Listen to Tapper.
	Well, not directly, though.
	I mean, as if that's okay.
	Well, not directly.
	They use PayPal.
	Well, it's not directly.
	It's okay.
	They use PayPal.
	I mean, come on.
	We're living in it.
	Not directly, though.
	Most Americans, you know, if you or I were to go and provide money, weapons or support or whatever to a group like al-Qaeda or ISIS, we would immediately be thrown in jail.
	However, the U.S. government has been providing money, weapons, intel assistance and other types of support through the CIA directly to these groups that are working with and are affiliated with Al Qaeda and ISIS. So you're saying the CIA is giving money to groups in Syria and those groups are working with al-Nusra and ISIS? There have been numerous reports from the New York Times to the Wall Street Journal and other news outlets who have declared that...
	Is he just playing dumb for a reason?
	What's the point?
	Is he playing stupid?
	Is that the idea?
	Yes.
	You go on there, are you, oh, I can't believe it.
	I can't believe this is happening.
	I'm shocked, I tell you!
	Wall Street Journal and other news outlets who have declared that these rebel groups have formed these battlefield alliances with al-Qaeda, that essentially these al-Qaeda groups are in charge of every single rebel group on the ground fighting in Syria to overthrow the Syrian government.
	The U.S. government says that they vet the groups that they give money to very closely, and that you're wrong.
	There are not alliances between groups that the American Taxpayers Fund and these other groups.
	Obviously, they all are fighting Assad.
	I beg to differ.
	Evidence has shown time and time again that that is not the case, that we are both directly and indirectly supporting these groups who are allied with, are partnered with al-Qaeda and ISIS in working to overthrow the Syrian government of Assad.
	And we've also been providing that support through countries like Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Qatar to do that.
	Bingo!
	Bingo!
	Boom shakalaka!
	Tip for the congresswoman.
	No hot tubs, no small aviation.
	Definitely no small aviation.
	No puddle jumpers between the Big Island, anything else.
	No, no, no.
	I really like her.
	And the third piece is, again, one of these What dimension are you in?
	Interpretation clips, which Jake asked her about.
	Quickly before you go, I know that some of your colleagues, Democrats, have expressed concern about too many retired generals being in the Trump cabinet.
	You have the National Security Advisor, General Flynn, and then also he's talked about General Mattis and General Kelly at the Pentagon and Homeland Security.
	Do you share their concerns or do you disagree?
	I don't share their concerns.
	In fact, as a veteran and as someone who's still serving in the Hawaii Army National Guard, I find it pretty offensive for people to outright discriminate against veterans.
	Here you have generals who have literally spent their whole lives serving our country, putting service before self, putting their lives on the line to defend democracy.
	And yet people are criticizing them and discriminating against them, saying, just because you served as a general previously, you were disqualified from serving in a high position of leadership.
	In our government, these people arguably have put far more on the line and are far more deeply personally committed to upholding and protecting our democracy than their critics.
	There you go.
	And I love the slipping in the, hey, discriminating against vets?
	And of course, this is also just how people interpret.
	I mean, I will be the first to say that, you know, the uniforms and all the medals, you know, it has kind of a warmongering spirit.
	But guess what?
	Some of the largest executives in the United States are working in the military industrial complex.
	That's what they do.
	And they're managers, and they know how to do a lot of things.
	But it is very, very scary to people in certain dimensions.
	Here's Carol CNN with our pal who's back, Lucy Napolitano.
	Democrats, they're worried that Mr.
	Trump has picked so many generals.
	You know, he's picked a general to serve as Secretary of Defense, National Security, Department of Homeland Security, and maybe even Secretary of State.
	Does that concern you?
	Not necessarily.
	And I think the putative nominee for the part...
	Is she like stoned?
	Is she high?
	She sounds a little...
	I don't know.
	She sounds like she's been drinking.
	Sounds like arrogance.
	Not necessarily.
	And I think that...
	For the Department of Homeland Security, General Kelly, I think you need somebody that can do multiple things at the same time because the Department of Homeland Security has such broad-ranging powers and authorities.
	What you want is a leader who can organize, prioritize, and multitask.
	Some, though, say a militarized view of America got us into, you know, the Iraq War.
	Already militarized.
	But she's saying a militarized America.
	No, the lying press and complicit with the military and this industrial complex is what got us into the war.
	That's what got us in.
	Not just a bunch of generals.
	I think it was Colin Powell who was the Secretary of Defense at the time?
	No, he was...
	What was he at the time?
	Yeah, I think he was Secretary of State.
	America got us into, you know, the Iraq War.
	It created problems at Abu Ghraib.
	It created the mess that is now Guantanamo Bay.
	So, do they have a point?
	You know, they may in the abstract.
	I think the key question is how do these generals operate when, for example, General Kelly will be in a civilian context.
	This is not the Pentagon.
	Oh, okay.
	It means you can't boss people around or what?
	You have to put up with the lesbians from the sounds of the stuff that we discussed previously.
	That was in the Homeland Security, not in the Pentagon, necessarily.
	Well, that's where Kelly's going.
	He's going to Homeland Security.
	Oh, that's right.
	Yeah, you're right.
	Oh, man.
	Maybe that's why she's so smug.
	Wait until you meet my friends.
	Dude, my friends beat the crap out of you.
	Yeah, it's gonna be rough for you, baby.
	I think it's a good idea to put a general in charge of Homeland Security.
	It's already a militaristic concept in an operation.
	You might as well get it so it's organized a little better in a military way.
	I mean, it doesn't have to be attacking the public or anything like a national police force, but it needs some sort of...
	I think a general running that thing is not a bad idea.
	No, I think it sounds pretty good to me.
	It depends on Kelly himself.
	Actually, I have a clip about Kelly.
	I think it's got background in it.
	Oh, okay.
	Kelly and Homeland Security and Democracy Now.
	This will be very slanted.
	Donald Trump also announced he's picked retired four-star Marine General John Kelly to be the Secretary of Homeland Security.
	Kelly was formerly the head of the United States Southern Command, where he oversaw the military jail at Guantanamo Bay.
	Margaret Huang, executive director of Amnesty International USA, said of Kelly, quote, we're particularly concerned that while chief of U.S. Southern Command, Kelly oversaw Guantanamo during periods of extensive hunger strikes and force feeding that was unsafe and inhumane, unquote.
	Kelly has repeatedly testified to Congress, saying the U.S.-Mexico border represents a threat to national security, leading many to worry he'll escalate the militarization of the border and U.S. immigration policy overreaches.
	overall.
	While the head of United States Southern Command, Kelly, also promoted the Alliance for Prosperity, a program that provides hundreds of millions of dollars in police and military funding to Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala.
	The program has been criticized by human rights activists and some Democratic lawmakers who are calling for the suspension of this funding to Honduras until the country addresses its gross human rights violations.
	Kelly retired from the military in 2015.
	He's the third general Trump has picked for top positions so far.
	The other two are retired Lieutenant General Mike Flynn for National Security Advisor and retired Marine Corps General James Mattis for Defense Secretary.
	Yeah.
	You know what's funny to me is they've got these three generals, and the left, which is democracy now, in their perspective, They hate Flynn, and they hate Kelly, but they like the guy whose nickname is Mad Dog.
	Yeah, I know.
	That's great.
	That's great.
	Hey, John, with that, if you don't mind, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C. C stands for Continuities for Pussies.
	Dvorak.
	In the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	Also, in the morning to all ships and sea boots on the ground, feet in the air.
	Subs in the water and all the dames tonight's out there.
	Hell, in the morning to Martin J.J. The J.J. Meister Man brought us the artwork for episode 884, Lane Splitter.
	And that was, actually it was an evergreen.
	It was our no agenda microphone with the MSM bubble around it with a pinprick taking place, which was kind of nice.
	It was a very, very nice piece of work.
	Yeah, and we always appreciate all the work that our artists do.
	In fact, when it came around the first time, we wanted to use it, but we had a piece that we used.
	Yes, that's right.
	Well, it wasn't better.
	It was more appropriate.
	Appropriate, yeah.
	Yeah, it's more appropriate.
	It wasn't better.
	Noagendaartgenerator.com, and in the morning, of course, to the chat room, noagendastream.com.
	Ayo, everybody!
	All right, well, let's thank a few people, associate executive producers and executive producers, for show eight...
	8, 8, 5.
	Yeah.
	Only five more shows to go before we hit the 8, 8, 8.
	Yeah, no.
	But we do have an 8, 8, 8.
	No, it's only three shows.
	Five, six, seven, eight.
	Oh, yeah, only three shows.
	Wow.
	What am I thinking?
	I think you can get 8, 90.
	I get that wrong.
	My math is off today.
	All right.
	But the math is definitely not off from Sir Archduke Thomas Nussbaum.
	Man, he's on a tear.
	He has been supporting the show like crazy.
	Yeah, he's on a tear.
	He's in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
	It's just amazing what he's doing.
	Well, let's give him his call-out.
	He's got a call-out.
	Okay, what does he have?
	Well, I'm talking about the Nussbaum thing that you've got there.
	Well, he says, oh, can't wait till show 888.
	As a jingle, please do your demon voice screaming Nussbaum.
	Thanks for your courage and commitment.
	No karma!
	I love all the Twitter followers since I'm mentioned from time to time.
	Maybe it should be a little lower.
	I like the song better, but okay.
	Let me try the one a little lower.
	Sounds like a guy that's got a bad sore throat.
	Let's try this one.
	No, that's not good.
	I think the first one is good.
	That's what he wants.
	That's what he gets.
	$188.88.
	Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you so much.
	You'll get a triple, triple producership.
	You'll be also mentioned on show 888.
	Christopher Herring in Munich, Deutschland.
	888.00.
	producer for that too.
	Yes, he will.
	I want to thank you for countless hours of mind-blowing entertainment, cooking recipes, and travel tips.
	My first contact with Noah Jenner was thanks to John's and Adam's appearance on Twit back in 2011.
	Loved this show ever since.
	The sack of AIDS donations catapults me into knighthood, and I want to be known as Sir Christoph Herring, Knight of the Blockchain.
	Oh, good one.
	That's available.
	Yes.
	Shout out to Sir Tyler Fox, Sir Olaf Wolf, and the rest of the Munich Vienna No Agenda crew.
	Why don't you guys do a meetup?
	Meetup!
	Meet up in Vienna.
	They're an amazing group.
	I'll come.
	I'll come to a meet up in Vienna.
	Yeah, we should.
	Give me a little karma.
	He didn't ask for it.
	Oh, yes.
	He deserves it.
	You've got karma.
	All right.
	And we have an upcoming story here, and this is James Vincent Carlson, 345.67 in Denver, Colorado.
	Send in a note.
	Typed.
	This will be my last payment tonight.
	I'm in to the greatest podcast in the world.
	The two of you save much time and aggravation in lieu of listening to the standard leftist news.
	Now that our president-elect is Donald Trump, the only place I can clearly hear this is from the No Agenda show.
	And in the many clips from the other sources you play and research indicate why.
	For this I am grateful as I can now be assured the Constitution works.
	A pleasant change from the past eight years.
	Ha ha ha ha.
	Let me see where he's coming from.
	The last payment I sent to you was supposedly before my knee was to be replaced in early August, but alas, things are not what they appear to be.
	It had to be delayed another eight weeks to see the right doctor for a new date on surgery on September 20th.
	I'm not a big fan of knee replacement.
	No, no.
	But then I got West Nile virus a few days before surgery.
	What?
	And the date was reset to December 6th.
	My knee is in worse condition.
	I'm ready for the surgery.
	You know, you could get an offloader, which my wife had some issue with her knee.
	She got an offloader.
	What's an offloader?
	An offloader is a device that goes on your thigh, and it's kind of tight on your thigh, and then it goes on the calf, and it's got its own joint, and it takes all the pressure off the knee, so the knee has got nothing.
	If you stand up, the offloader is carrying the weight.
	Shouldn't Mimi get one of those one-legged scooters?
	She only used it for like about...
	She used it for like...
	She had some knee issues.
	She used it for like two months and then it cleared up and she took the off look.
	She doesn't use it anymore.
	But it's a very commonly used device for knee issues.
	Got it.
	But the doctors would rather...
	So basically Forrest Gump gear is what you're saying.
	Yeah, I guess.
	Anyway, pleasant surprise.
	My knee is in much worse condition.
	I'm ready for the surgery.
	The body and hand tremors have finally ended.
	From West Nile?
	Oh, man.
	Lasting into four months to do so, and I can now type.
	I wish to be knighted as Sir Jim Catman, as I'm much closer to cats than most people.
	Got one on his lap as we speak.
	Do you have that down on the list?
	Yes, I got Sir Jim Catman.
	Sure do.
	If this letter is received before September 15th, please do not announce it until December 18th.
	I'll probably be semi-conscious.
	Well, it's too late now.
	From all the drugs necessary for the first couple of weeks.
	You'd never get mentioned, believe me, if we didn't do it today.
	I give the two of you the great thanks for the only source of accurate news available.
	I wish you the best wishes for a great new year.
	I will look forward to your future podcasts at some point.
	Happily begin to go toward knighthood, next level of knighthood.
	And he's got some documentation for his thing.
	He's got a signature that looks like he's still got the tremors.
	But anyway, you will be knighted today.
	Yes, and I'll give him a little bit of karma, and we suggest Kratom.
	You've got karma.
	Or, you know, whatever.
	We got a note from a guy who's, I guess he's involved in the legal marijuana thing.
	And so I went back and forth with him about CBD. Oh, Dan.
	It's Dan.
	It's Dan.
	Yeah.
	CBD. He says, no.
	He says, from experience, you'll know that you cannot...
	And I think this is maybe why my wife goes to one of these...
	There's so many of them in Washington, one of these places that sell legalized pot.
	And if you're going to use CBD, they recommend that it's got THC in it, too.
	So you do get a buzz.
	And this guy goes on and says, CBD by itself doesn't do anything.
	I'm sorry, it was Dennis.
	It was the Den Man, I think.
	That's what it was.
	Dennis.
	Oh, it was the Den Man, right.
	It was the Den Man.
	Got it, got it.
	And he says, CBD doesn't do anything by itself.
	Because you can get pure CBD. It's been extracted.
	And...
	According to the literature, it seems to me that it does something, but he says no.
	He says CBD deals mostly with inflammation, and THC is the pain and the combination of the two to clear things up pretty well.
	I was following the conversation, but then I got high, and I was like, whatever.
	And so I said, well, you know, that may be true.
	Maybe it's true.
	I mean, when you go to these shops, they always tell you you have the combination of some sort.
	But it doesn't really help the legalization process.
	No, it certainly doesn't.
	To make this argument, and I would just, you know...
	What you're saying is the Ixnay on the THCA and we'll slip in later.
	Yeah, that's what I'm trying.
	I'm saying that until this...
	It gets ironed out once the whole country has legalized this product.
	But it's not going to get legalized.
	And I'll say it again.
	I'll say it over and over and over again.
	When you go to one of these shops in Washington, D.C. and Washington State...
	You see mostly...
	Old women.
	Old women.
	Older.
	Old women with aches and pains.
	They love this stuff.
	And I will say, I say it over and over again, it's a weed.
	You can grow it yourself, people.
	Indeed.
	What a thought.
	Onward.
	Henry Sepulveda, $250, goes into the associate executive producer category.
	Keep up the great work, he writes, from somewhere in the United States.
	Keep up the great work on all the great media deconstruction.
	A huge thanks for preventing my smoking hot girlfriend and fellow producer, Andrea, from becoming a hillbot like the rest of her Southern California friends.
	We saved another relationship.
	Yes.
	Excellent.
	I'm going to give them some karma.
	You've got karma.
	Very good.
	Especially if she's smoking hot, man.
	That would be a bummer.
	Oh, yeah.
	That would be bad.
	Tim Anonymous from Parts Unknown.
	$213.12.
	No nothing except his little...
	He does the right thing.
	He sends in a check.
	He puts a post-it note on the check over his name and says, Anonymous.
	Hmm.
	Or in his case, he says, use Tim Anonymous.
	Dave Bozeman, our last associate executive producer for Wilmington, North Carolina, sent in a check and sent in a note with that check, which reads, I'm sorry it's been a few months since I donated, but I wanted to let you know that I have not jumped ship I can't begin to...
	Man overboard.
	I can't begin to tell you how much you two mean to my sanity.
	I watch and listen to no MSN anymore and only a bit to the right talk radio and to the seed man.
	When Pizzagate reared its head and I started believing some of what I was seeing on the blogs, I trusted Adam when he said it was all BS. Ta-da!
	I also wanted...
	I also wanted to thank you for turning me into a couple of...
	turning me on to a couple of excellent TV series, Mr.
	Robot and The Girlfriend Experience, OMG. The Girlfriend?
	I didn't...
	As you know...
	Never mind.
	I don't know where...
	I don't think I like that one, but...
	Well, he watches it.
	As you know, if you haven't...
	I'll tell you the two shows now you should watch.
	One is People of Earth, Outstanding...
	It's kind of dry humor.
	It's a comedy.
	It's about aliens.
	With actual aliens in the show.
	It's a very funny show.
	I've watched, but only the second half.
	Well, it's a very funny show if you get a chance.
	It may not be for everybody.
	I'm not generally recommending it.
	But another show I really like is Berlin Station.
	Berlin Station.
	But you've got to watch it from the beginning, which means you've got to find a way to get the early shows.
	Berlin Station has this kind of a gritty feel of a real sleazy kind of a tinker soldier, whatever that thing was.
	Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.
	It's got that style, and it's kind of creepy.
	And it's about the Berlin CIA station and the mess that it's in.
	And it's just really, really very entertaining.
	Reminds me of Rubicon in some way too.
	As you know, if you have an IQ above that of Stephen Avery's cousin, there is almost nothing to watch on the boob tube and I greatly appreciate the tips.
	Please continue to let us know if you become aware of quality TV. That's all he wants?
	Yep.
	Well, I give him a karma, too.
	And I will say, I didn't say Pizzagate is BS. I said there's no victims.
	That's the thing that's missing from this.
	And that has been countered.
	Of course, I'm foolish because there are no victims because that is what they put on the pizza, is pieces of the children, you see.
	I'm not kidding, John.
	I am not kidding you.
	Well, I put that gag in the show that they're eating children.
	Yeah, but this is the serious response that I'm getting.
	Oh, God.
	There's no victims because they're eating the children.
	Exactly.
	There's no real conflict!
	Thank you very much, my friend.
	You've got karma.
	Outstanding.
	All right, thank you to our executive producers and associate executive producers.
	Of course, what this means is that you have credits that are official and can be used, even if you're president.
	That was some fake news, wasn't it?
	How about that for fake news?
	Everybody knows that you can be on a credit roll as an executive producer, and that doesn't mean you're working.
	That means you're credited with part of the foundation of the show.
	Which, in Trump's case, is financial.
	He put a lot of work into it.
	He hosted it.
	He's going to remain his executive.
	I have a clip.
	Okay, well, let me do that.
	We're coming right out of that.
	I just wanted to say thank you very much to our executive producers and our associate executive producers.
	Wow, Nussbaum, thank you so much.
	Not just Nussbaum.
	Nussbaum!
	And we look forward to your ceremonies for those of you who have become knights.
	And, of course, we want to thank everybody else who came in above $50 and to keep the show going.
	And, of course, another program for you on Thursday.
	Remember us at dvorak.org slash NA. I'm so happy.
	You could make that noise or you could propagate the formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Back trick ball.
	Shut up, play.
	Shut up, play.
	All right, let's play that one right away, John.
	Which one is it?
	This is the clip.
	Trump rundown.
	A conflict of interest.
	Surprising news from Trump World tonight.
	The president-elect announcing loyalist Rudy Giuliani will not be joining his cabinet.
	It was a mutual decision by President-elect Trump and Mayor Giuliani to do so.
	Giuliani telling Fox News tonight...
	That was the only one I had any real interest in.
	Giuliani lobbied hard for the job just a few weeks ago, but now joins Newt Gingrich and Chris Christie as would-be shoo-ins, now on the outside of the new White House.
	The names now at the top of Trump's list for Secretary of State, Mitt Romney, former antagonist-turned-supporter, and Rex Tillerson, CEO of ExxonMobil.
	And today, sources also tell NBC News Mr.
	Trump plans to tap Gary Cohn, Goldman Sachs number two, as the director of the National Economic Council.
	He'll join other Wall Street insiders on Trump's team.
	Also, new scrutiny of the president-elect's decision to stay on as the executive producer of The Apprentice.
	New host, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
	I don't think that he's going to be co-hosting with me.
	Even though maybe we have him as one of the guest advisors or something like this.
	NBC Entertainment declined to comment, noting MGM owns and produces the show.
	Donald is retaining his executive producer credit, as he always has.
	It's been the same way since season one.
	Still, experts warn Trump's business entanglements could pose a problem.
	The business world has seen this time and time again, where executives think they have only the appearance of a conflict, but in fact it turns very dangerous and very real very quickly.
	It's real!
	It's real!
	It's dangerous.
	Tell him a second.
	It's dangerous, man.
	How is it dangerous that he's going to be the do-nothing executive producer?
	You know, who's just there because he's just there.
	Because he helped create the show.
	How is any of this dangerous?
	So I heard this...
	What day was it?
	I guess it was Friday.
	It was just everyone was talking about this.
	And they were all like, well, you know, executive producer.
	And how can you do that?
	Or can you work?
	He's going, you know, yes, some presidents have hobbies.
	Or, you know, they write books.
	But no one had really ever bothered to just...
	Ask if he was going to do anything.
	No, it's just a credit.
	It's words on the screen.
	And deserved.
	It's his show.
	It's part of his deal.
	Who cares?
	Who cares?
	It's probably less conflict of interest-y than doing a book for Simon& Schuster.
	I don't know who Obama's publisher is, but he did two or three books.
	And they go out, and if you look at his income statement over the last few years, most of his income is from the royalties from these books.
	How's that not a conflict of interest?
	I mean, you could do speeches for banks.
	I mean, that's not a conflict of interest anymore.
	Apparently not.
	It's pretty insane.
	Now, Hillary Clinton re-emerged.
	Yeah, she comes out of the woods.
	She's still thinking, well, maybe these guys can pull something off and I can be like president.
	Well, what I thought was very interesting.
	Now, this is the fake news bit that she was talking about.
	Right.
	And the way I hear what she's saying, she is kind of referencing Pizzagate.
	Because at a certain point she says, you know, well this fake news is dangerous because then you have ordinary people just trying to get on with their lives, service the community.
	I mean, what else could she be talking about?
	Then that, you know, that guy went in and...
	The maniac.
	The actor.
	The actor.
	The known actor.
	I am more and more convinced that if Pizzagate is anything, it's co-Intel Pro.
	And maybe it wasn't set up that way, but it is definitely being used to usher in...
	Yeah, I think you're right.
	It went off the tracks.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And they had to bring the actor in to put it back, you know, get this thing settled down.
	Exactly.
	Because, of course, obviously, we know to some degree this is true.
	I mean, we don't know if the people involved are actually doing...
	We don't know enough, but yeah, we know that there's pedophilia in government.
	There's, you know, 5,000 infected computers, you know, not infected, but have kiddie porn across the government.
	Yeah, the Pentagon's filled with these things.
	Last week, last week, a report.
	But, of course, we're distracted from that.
	We're not looking at what's going on.
	The UK is still rife with these pedophilia investigations.
	So this is a great distraction.
	She's adding to it.
	And, of course, it ushers in the era of fake news and stifling.
	And, well, congratulations.
	Congratulations.
	Let me just mention briefly one threat in particular that should concern all Americans, Democrats, Republicans, and independents alike, especially those who serve in our Congress.
	The epidemic of malicious fake news and false propaganda that flooded social media over the past year.
	It's now clear that so-called fake news can have real-world consequences.
	This isn't about politics or partisanship.
	Lives are at risk.
	Lives of ordinary people just trying to go about their days to do their jobs, contribute to their communities.
	It's a danger that must be addressed, and addressed quickly.
	Bipartisan legislation is making its way through Congress to boost the government's response to foreign propaganda, and Silicon Valley is starting to grapple with the challenge and threat of fake news.
	It's imperative that leaders in both the private sector and the public sector step up to protect our democracy and innocent lives.
	Pizza, pizza.
	Alright, now you did a little work there.
	I'm glad to see that.
	You actually gave us some thought and you put pizza, pizza at the end.
	Thank you, thank you.
	And I led you right down the path.
	I'm going to give you a clip of the day for doing that work.
	Oh, thank you.
	I mean, Clip of the day.
	So let's play my clip on this because I have a little commentary to me.
	I know you're very amused to yourself.
	That's very funny.
	This is the fake news PBS Macedonia clip.
	Ah, yes.
	I have one from NBC, too.
	Technology companies like Facebook and Google say they are working to tackle the proliferation of fake news.
	One way has been to decrease the incentives for advertising that appears on these sites.
	Cheryl Sandler, the COO of Facebook, on Thursday's Today Show.
	We've taken important steps, but there's a lot more to do.
	We know that people don't want to see hoaxes on Facebook, and we don't want to see hoaxes on Facebook.
	According to a BuzzFeed News investigation, many fake news sites are built purely for profit, sometimes even created by opportunistic teens in far-off places like Macedonia, regardless of the content, because more clicks lead to more dollars.
	Maybe it was just NBC News this morning, about one of those guys.
	They had the one guy, I guess he was also on NPR's Planet Money or something, the guy in Macedonia.
	And they come up with this piece that makes it sound...
	Well, I've got to play this for you.
	It's about exactly the same story, and I chopped it in half.
	Fake news has affected Veles.
	So they're in this country, in Macedonia, in that town, whatever it's called.
	Fake news has affected Velas.
	In a country with almost a quarter of its citizens unemployed, and in a town with an average annual income below $5,000, the impulse to deceive was seemingly irresistible.
	So now, as the money flows...
	So too does the liquor.
	This club is cashing in on the success of fake news entrepreneurs who get paid relatively majestic sums by Macedonian standards by selling advertising on their sites.
	What happened in our town is that a lot of money came and a lot of people quit their jobs so they can put a lot of effort in this as they saw this as the big ideas, their big chance, the big change in their life.
	One venue here even plans to host a club night on the day Google pays out its ad revenue.
	In response to concerns that fake news may have influenced the election, Google and Facebook recently announced new measures to crack down on sites like Dimitri's.
	But his Google AdSense account is still up.
	Oh, gloves are off.
	Mainstream against Silicon Valley.
	Well, let's discuss something here.
	I got a note from our economic hitman explaining something that's not being discussed whatsoever in any of these news stories.
	One, why Macedonia?
	Yes, why Macedonia?
	Why not the...
	They sound like they're Russian, that's for sure.
	Why not Belarus?
	Why not any little country where the people aren't getting paid?
	Why Macedonia?
	Well, it turns out...
	First of all, the economic hitman is the one who wired Macedonia, which he feels kind of mixed feelings about.
	The Macedonian kids and the adults, everybody there, hates Hillary Clinton.
	As far as they're concerned, it's because of Bill Clinton doing the Bosnia-Serbian bombing.
	The Macedonians hate Hillary Clinton.
	And they did this to do anything they could to keep her from being elected.
	Why Macedonia?
	Why Macedonia?
	That's the question that keeps coming up.
	That's why none of these guys and these guys apparently were in Macedonia.
	They could have talked to the kids.
	Why are you doing it?
	No, they don't do that.
	This is shit reporting from NBC. It's fake news.
	Fake news.
	Well, just like the Smith-Mund Act was reversed in the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act, we have two bills that have passed the House, and one of them has actually passed the Senate, but they have to come together with a new uniform bill because there's some language differences.
	And these have all been passed as part of the new 2017 National Defense Authorization Act.
	And I think we should discuss them briefly.
	As part of the National Offense Authorization Act, we have the Intelligence Authorization Act for fiscal year 2017.
	I want to do that second because that has a lot of other things in it that I think are interesting to us.
	But the bipartisan Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act is really the one that deserves some scrutiny.
	Of course, it's too late to do anything now.
	According to one of the sponsors of this bill himself, Rob Portman, he is a senator for Ohio.
	Here are the two most, I'll read it verbatim actually.
	The Bipartisan Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act is organized around two main priorities to help achieve the goal of combating the constantly evolving threat of foreign disinformation.
	They are as follows.
	Take note, John.
	Do you have your pen?
	Yeah.
	The first priority is developing a whole-of-government strategy for countering foreign propaganda and disinformation.
	The bill will increase the authority, resources, and mandate of the Global Engagement Center.
	Write that down.
	The Global Engagement Center.
	Wow.
	To include state actors like Russia and China, in addition to violent extremists.
	The Center, which by the way, if you ever watch the Americans, whenever the Russians are calling into home base, they call Center.
	Just kind of a little funny little thing there.
	The center will be led by the State Department, but with the active senior level participation of the Department of Defense, USAID, and the Broadcasting Board of Governors, the intelligence community, and the other relevant agencies.
	Stand by, John.
	Here it comes.
	The Center will develop, integrate, and synchronize whole-of-government initiatives to expose and counter foreign disinformation operations and proactively advance fact-based narratives that support U.S. allies and interests, which I think is called propaganda.
	And that is proactive.
	Yeah, that means they're going to have a bank of people sitting there.
	This was going on supposedly during this last election from the Hillary side, where you had banks of people, and if you made a comment on social media, they'd jump on you, a group of them.
	And say, oh no, that's not true, you're just a blah blah blah.
	No, that's not true, you're just a Kremlin, carrying water for the Kremlin.
	They would do that, and this is just obviously what you're talking about here is bigger.
	Interesting you bring that up.
	In Section 103 of the Intelligence Funding Act, that's not what it's called.
	Section 103, authority for increases.
	The Director of National Intelligence may authorize employment of civilian personnel, civilian personnel, in excess of the number authorized for fiscal year 2017 by the classified schedule of authorizations referred to in Section 102.
	So they are already saying, because of this horrible problem with Russia and their propaganda, we are now going to just give authority to increase to hire more people.
	Now back to the original bill here.
	The second most important point.
	This legislation seeks to leverage expertise from outside government To create more adaptive and responsive U.S. strategy options.
	The legislation establishes a fund.
	A fund.
	We gotta get in on this.
	Listen, maybe we can do it.
	To help train.
	This is just like Europe, man.
	To help train local journalists and provide grants and contracts to non-governmental organizations, civil society organizations, George Soros, think tanks, private sector companies, media organizations, and other experts outside the media organizations, and other experts outside the U.S. government with experience in identifying and analyzing the latest trends in foreign government disinformation techniques.
	This is us.
	Hello, Curry Dvorak Consulting Group.
	What are these people, what are they thinking?
	They should have called us.
	I don't get it.
	This fund will complement and support the center's role by integrating capabilities and expertise available outside the U.S. government into the strategy-making process.
	It will also empower a decentralized network of private sector experts and integrate their expertise into strategy-making process.
	I don't know how the American public can put up with this.
	You reading that, just straight up, it's disgusting.
	They're trying to manipulate, not trying, they're manipulating the media.
	I think they've already taken over all the major broadcast guys because they're all run by giant corporations.
	So you get these lousy reports, like I just said about the Macedonian thing.
	They don't bother to tell you any of the details.
	They just give you a shallow report and everybody's getting drunk at a bar.
	That's great.
	And I've been watching NBC exclusively for the next few weeks, and it's just horrible.
	It's a very...
	Just a poor operation, and it's just designed to keep the people stupid.
	Yes.
	If you're interested in some consulting services, currydvorak.com is where you can find all the info about us.
	Let's go back to the funding of the intelligence agencies, just to give you a little idea of what else they're thinking.
	Director of National Intelligence is also going to establish guidelines that will help and include exemptions of personnel levels for a student program.
	Trainee program, Reserve Corps, and...
	Reserve Corps spook?
	Yep.
	Oh, yeah.
	This is great.
	Well, they already do this.
	I mean, half the journalists that are working in the big media are working for the CIA. That was exposed in the old Woodward Bernstein, not Woodward, because he's...
	Operation Mockingbird.
	Operation Mockingbird.
	The church committee.
	Sure.
	It does...
	This is very interesting.
	Oh man, how much are these guys getting?
	Geez.
	Don't they keep the numbers pretty private?
	Yeah, they do.
	This is way too much.
	They do, but there is authorized to be appropriated for the Intelligence Community Management account of the Director of National Intelligence.
	He gets half a billion dollars, just to divvy out, I guess.
	Let me go down.
	I marked all this up.
	You can find it in the show notes.
	Half a billion dollars a year?
	Yeah, just for the Director of National Intelligence.
	So $500 million a year just to dole out money left and right?
	Yeah, for important things.
	The large corporations don't have that kind of cash flow.
	Well, of course, we need to spend it on the promotion of science, technology, engineering, and math education in the intelligence community, which means there will be an outreach for A five-year investment strategy for outreach and recruiting efforts in the fields of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics, STEM, to include cybersecurity and computer literacy.
	So, you know, they go into the colleges and you go to universities, which they've always done, but it's nice to see them just saying it here.
	Let me just scroll down here.
	We have...
	Ooh, yes, the Director of the National Counterintelligence and Security Center.
	So we're going to have a Counterintelligence and Security Center, which will be established, which will be appointed by the President with the advice and consent of Senate.
	So that means there'll be hearings.
	Let me see.
	Let me go down here.
	It's like 800 pages, this thing.
	Ah, yes.
	Assistance for governmental entities and private entities in recognizing online violent extremist content.
	Not later than 190 days after the end of the vaccine.
	The Director of National Intelligence shall publish on a publicly available internet website a list of all logos, symbols, insignia, and other markings commonly associated with or adopted by an organization designated by the Secretary of State as a foreign terrorist organization.
	Logos.
	Yeah, that's going to solve the problem.
	Yeah.
	Logos.
	They won't leave...
	They won't put on care, I'm sure, the committee...
	Now we have some meat and potatoes.
	Title V, matters relating to foreign countries.
	Active measures by Russia to exert covert influence.
	The term active...
	Oh yes, this is interesting.
	Committee to counter active measures by the Russian Federation to exert covert influence over peoples and governments.
	They define active measures...
	It means activities intended to influence a person or government that are carried out in coordination with or at the behest of political leaders or the security services of the Russian Federation and the role of the Russian Federation has been hidden or not acknowledged publicly, including the following.
	Establishing or funding a front group?
	Hold on a second.
	If you back up and read that again...
	That's all they talk about.
	They bitch and moan about RT just all the time.
	They had hearings, had that woman discussing it in England and here.
	But they're codifying it and they're laying it out exactly...
	But the premise is that nobody says anything.
	It's bullcrap.
	They complain bitterly constantly.
	Yeah.
	Well, here's the things that they feel are not being discussed.
	A, establishing or funding of a front group.
	B, covert broadcasting.
	C, media manipulation.
	D, disinformation and forgeries.
	Hold on.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	I knew you'd like it.
	Covert broadcasting is illegal.
	Yes.
	What is covert broadcasting?
	A pirate station?
	Numbers station.
	5, 7, 13, 14, 9, 7, 6, 4, 33, 9, 18, 17,
	12, 8, 6, 22, 23, There you go.
	Okay, so, covert broadcasting, media manipulation, disinformation and forgeries, funding agents of influence...
	Incitement and offensive counterintelligence, assassinations, and terrorist acts.
	That's what Russia does.
	That's pretty cool, man.
	These guys are badass.
	Okay, now let's talk about the center real quick.
	Oh, they're going to have a cyber center.
	Oh, they're going to do a museum.
	There's money for a museum.
	I forgot to mention that.
	Oh, cool!
	Yes, the Secretary of Defense may establish at a publicly accessible location at Fort Meade the Cyber Center for Education and Innovation, home of the National Cryptologic Museum.
	Dynamite.
	It may be used for the identification, curation, storage, and public viewing of materials related to the activities of the National Security Agency, any predecessor.
	The center may contain meeting, conference, and classroom facilities that will be used to support such education, training, public outreach, and other purposes.
	Ah, it's their school.
	This is where the journalists will go to learn.
	It's like the museum.
	The museum, yes.
	They always have an auditorium.
	They'll build an auditorium.
	It's mainly so they can do things in there while recording everything.
	Exactly.
	And then, here's just one I just caught, just, you know, one of my favorite little bitty bits that they put in there.
	Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this act, the Director of National Intelligence shall submit to Congressional Intelligence Committees a workforce plan to recruit, develop, and retain personnel in the intelligence community with the skills and experience in space and counter-space operations, analysis, collection, policy, and acquisition.
	Counterspace?
	What the hell is that?
	What's that?
	Well, I guess if you have space wars...
	Counterspace is like in my kitchen.
	I never have enough counterspace.
	In the morning!
	Don't!
	That's why I love you, man.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	And then they're going to do some scholarships, fellowships, internships.
	Hiring is on.
	Yes, that was like the money's going to be flowing.
	Let me see.
	And then we have some reporting duties, which I don't think are that interesting.
	No, that's the main crux of it.
	The main crux.
	So that, of course, supports the Portman Murphy counterpropaganda bill.
	Yeah, well, the goal of all this is to make sure that never, never, never again in the history of this country do we elect a Donald Trump.
	Pretty much, but this is the goal.
	Because this didn't work out.
	Well, but it is also truly about keeping Russia our enemy so that we don't solve things in the military.
	We can spend money.
	By the way, I don't know if you caught this.
	Mika Brzezinski revealed something very interesting about the Clinton campaign on the Morning Joe show the other day.
	When I was concerned the campaign was not understanding that perhaps there was an arrogance, they needed to sort of get up their high horse and understand that this isn't over.
	I'll just say it.
	NBC got a call from the campaign.
	Like, I had done something that was journalistically inappropriate or something and needed to be pulled off the air.
	I mean, think about that.
	That's just...
	That's shooting the wrong messenger.
	By the way, Mika, there were also people surrounding the campaign that tried to tell the campaign it was in trouble.
	Those people were shut out.
	And here we are.
	And here we are.
	How about that, huh?
	They tried to get her fired.
	Yeah.
	At least Trump was more open about condemning the media.
	He did it in public.
	Right.
	He called, hey, get this woman off the air.
	Maybe he did, but there's been no stories like that.
	They wouldn't take his call.
	All right.
	Well, we're talking about getting, you know, the Russians, we have to keep them as enemies.
	Let's play this little clip, because this is kind of a rundown on, this clip is called Ukraine, Russia, EU, USA. It's about the gas market, and it's kind of interesting.
	Well, back in October 2015, Ukraine stopped buying Russian gas, citing high prices, switching to European gas instead.
	Well, that led to a situation where Europe was actually selling Russian gas to Ukraine.
	With more on that, RTE's Miguel Francis Santiago.
	Gas wars.
	Europe, Russia, Ukraine, and the United States.
	Sounds like quite a mess, isn't it?
	Well, it kinda is.
	See, Europe is better off buying Russian gas directly from Russia instead of Ukraine.
	Why?
	Well, because it will be an uninterrupted transfer, unlike a few years ago when Ukraine siphoned off gas Now, Ukraine would also be better off buying gas directly from Russia.
	But in 2015, the gas supply for Ukraine was cut off when it failed to pay.
	Needless to say, Ukraine has backed itself into a very dark political corner with Russia.
	However, they want to renegotiate and resume supplies.
	And guess what?
	Russia is ready and willing as well.
	So how does Ukraine get its gas today?
	It gets it directly from the EU. The same Russian gas, by the way, through a reverse process that works by allowing Ukraine to buy the gas at a higher price through basically a reseller, which in this case is the EU. Not a very smart way to buy Russian gas from Russia, isn't it?
	Now, another trend that is growing now in the gas market, the US with its liquefied gas.
	For the first time in 60 years, the US shipped out more natural gas than it brought in.
	So why should you care?
	It means America wants a bite of the global energy market, and a big one.
	It's seeking to become an energy superpower and challenge Russia in the European market, supplying about a third of the continent's gas demand.
	Oh, wait a minute.
	This is all about gas?
	There's a lot of gas going on.
	And there's a little follow-up clip here.
	Where's that from?
	What news organization is this from?
	RT. Oh, that's good.
	Follow up?
	Well, it's probably fake news.
	The second half here is a little catch.
	It's very costly to ship U.S. gas to consumers in Europe, while Russia has a robust pipeline network, and its gas is cheaper.
	So the U.S. chances of penetrating the European market boils down to the willingness of European countries to accept higher prices.
	And that has to be a political decision.
	Now there's a different story.
	Yeah, it's going to get shoved down the Europeans' throats, of course.
	Well, here's the way it works.
	We're going to make Russia out to be the big enemy, which we've been doing, and then you've got sanctions against them, and also you can't do that.
	You can't use their gas.
	We're sanctioning them.
	They're terrible people.
	Buy our gas, which costs more, but don't worry.
	It costs more, but at least you're not dealing with these horrible Russians.
	I think, by the way, that the Russian thing is so out of control that they're trying to shove the bad aspect about Russia, bad, bad, bad.
	Play this clip.
	This is the...
	Let's see, where is this one?
	I just thought this was hilarious when I saw it.
	NBC. It's the NBC... No, Huge Snowstorm.
	Play that.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Dylan Dreyer is here watching it for us.
	This is the dreaded Siberian Express.
	What's it looking like as we head into the weekend?
	When did it become the Siberian Express?
	This horrible storm.
	Wasn't it used to, they had different names for this northern thing that came down, but now it's the Siberian Express.
	It's called the Siberian Express.
	Thank you.
	Dylan Dreyer is here watching it for us.
	This is the dreaded Siberian Express.
	What's it looking like as we head into the weekend?
	That's a reference to people being shipped off to Siberia to die in work camps.
	It's a lot of things that go through your brain, the Siberian Express.
	It's all bad.
	Oh, man.
	Hey, you're going to see some millennials' heads exploding pretty soon.
	The White House, there's a couple of bills moving through the houses again, and the White House is saying, yeah, no, we're pretty much on board that women should now register for selective service.
	Yeah, I know.
	Yeah, it's very funny, unless you've got daughters.
	Yeah, well, let's see how far it goes.
	Well, I think it's actually going to get in there.
	I think they'll put it in.
	Well, they have to if they're going to go the way they're going.
	I mean, this is because of that dipshit who's the head of the Defense Department guy, Droopy Dog.
	What's his name?
	Carter.
	Ash.
	Ash Carter.
	Ash.
	Ash Carter.
	Yeah, Ash Carter.
	I got a Marine clip.
	This has been going on on PBS and elsewhere, brainwashing the public about women in combat.
	And how it's good, it's bad, it's debatable.
	That's why this is in play, because the law is being written.
	So it makes sense that they have a piece about this.
	And so they had a piece about it.
	It kind of starts off negatively.
	I don't have the whole clip here.
	I don't want it.
	But it's about the Marines in particular, because the Marines are the ones who resisted this.
	And the clip is called Women and Marines.
	We first caught up with Rebecca Wolfe earlier this summer back home in rural Maryland.
	At the time, she was living with her parents.
	Her mom and dad didn't like it that she was joining the Marine Corps, but they were not surprised.
	From an early age, Rebecca wanted to break the traditional girl mold.
	When she was young, she said she's always going to drive motorcycles, drink beer, smoke cigarettes, and get tattoos.
	I can remember her telling me that.
	Oh my goodness.
	How do you feel about the idea that your daughter might end up in a combat unit, maybe on the front line somewhere?
	I don't think any parent wants their kid, boy or girl, to go to combat.
	I surely don't.
	I feel that they shouldn't be on the front lines.
	I don't know that she fully understands what she's getting into, though, too, sometimes.
	I mean, we explain.
	She's like, well, I'll be able to shoot helicopters.
	Well, they do shoot back.
	I don't know that she comprehends that.
	Turns out the Marine Corps didn't want women in certain combat jobs either.
	In 2013, the secretary of defense ordered that all combat positions be open to women.
	But after a period of deliberations, the Marines asked for an exemption.
	They argued that putting women into the infantry and to other combat jobs would make the Marine Corps a less effective fighting force.
	General Robert Neller is the commandant of the Marine Corps, the highest uniformed officer.
	He says the Corps' resistance came from a test the Marines ran back in 2014.
	It took all male units and units that mixed, men and women, and then compared their performance We ran them through a very physically demanding test.
	I mean, it was hard.
	And there was data in there that showed, in the aggregate, that in certain things, mostly in load-bearing and the most physically demanding test, that the teams that had females integrated in them did not perform at the same level as the all-male teams.
	The results showed that male-only teams moved faster, especially with heavy loads.
	They fired at the enemy more often, hit their targets more often and evacuated casualties faster.
	Integrated units with men and women also suffered more injuries.
	Yeah, then they disproved it by saying, well, the old men team was a bunch of pros and the other ones were half amateurs.
	This report goes on.
	It's on almost every day they're pushing this idea.
	But the thing that bothers me the most was the early comment where they asked the dad, Do they want her daughter or his daughter in combat, in a combat unit on the front lines?
	Yeah.
	And the first thing I thought about, are we at war?
	When's the last time we declared war where there were front lines?
	Are there front lines anywhere?
	Yeah.
	That somebody be there shooting?
	Yes.
	We're not even supposed to be in these countries.
	Oh, we're not supposed to be, but we're there.
	We just dropped another 1,500 into Syria.
	1,500.
	Congress wants to express itself a little more strongly.
	These are illegal wars.
	We're not supposed to be in these wars in front lines.
	Terrorism!
	Front lines!
	Front lines!
	We've got front lines.
	This is not World War II. Anyway.
	I just found it slightly annoying.
	Making this assumption that we need women.
	It's so bad that we need women?
	Well, we have to have women because it's more fair.
	Well, you pass the Equal Rights Amendment and then I say, okay, fine.
	Now you can get your women in there.
	All right.
	That's never been passed, by the way.
	I know.
	I know.
	No, but you don't talk about that on Facebook because you get into arguments.
	I don't have a Facebook account.
	I know.
	But here is something interesting that came from a professor of...
	One of these days you're going to see that I was wise.
	Listen, if I could get off Facebook, I would.
	I'm doing it for the show.
	Yes, that's good.
	That's somebody.
	Professor of Economics, University of Tampa.
	America risks losing the war on terror in Afghanistan unless it legalizes the opium trade.
	I think this is just the beginning of something we're going to start hearing about.
	Yeah.
	Wow!
	We need a clip for that.
	Yeah, well, it'll be coming.
	According to a recently released report by the Afghan Ministry of Counter-Narcotics and the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, we always read these guys, Opium production in Afghanistan has risen by 43% in the last year.
	The country's drug trade employs some 2.1 million people, 12% of the Afghan population, and generates approximately $68 billion in revenue a year.
	Um...
	The U.S. government has spent some $12 billion in eradication efforts, more than four times the size of the entire pre-invasion economy.
	Yet Afghanistan now supplies around 90% of the world's opium.
	So what is wrong with what I'm seeing here?
	What's wrong with these numbers?
	Something is very strange.
	Yeah, the $12 billion is obviously being spent on something else, like it goes into your pockets.
	Possibly, or someone else's pockets.
	Or marketing.
	Marketing, advertising.
	What eradication?
	You've got soldiers standing in these fields.
	Why aren't they at least burning the place down?
	All military knows that we're there protecting the poppies.
	We know that.
	We all know that.
	We all know it.
	Do I have a...
	Yeah, let's do one more before we take a break.
	You got one more?
	I got these two.
	It's a two-parter.
	But I just thought it was interesting because people say, oh, you know, you guys are...
	I got an anti-Trump couple of things.
	This guy, Cohen...
	C-O-H-A, and he's a writer, and he wrote the book on Goldman Sachs, and he had some very funny, interesting observations.
	I don't know whether it's good or bad about Trump, and this is Cohen on Trump Part 1.
	Suggest they can further Donald Trump's populist ambition, that is, serving the people who elected him.
	I'm laughing because Steve Mnuchin and Wilbur Ross are about as far from populism as you can possibly imagine.
	They are the.001% of the 1%.
	And one of the biggest ironies of the fact that he surrounded himself with all these Goldman Sachs people is that he was on the Goldman Sachs do not fly list.
	This is the kind of client we do not want at Goldman Sachs.
	How do you know that?
	Because I wrote a book about Goldman Sachs and I know that from talking to people at Goldman Sachs that he is the poster child for the kind of client they don't want to do business with.
	Mainly because he had borrowed all this money from Wall Street to build his casinos and then didn't pay it back.
	One big bank that did lend to Trump in recent years was Deutsche Bank in 2005 to build the Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago.
	Steve Mnuchin's hedge fund also lent money to the project.
	In 2008, at the height of the financial crisis, a big payment came due.
	We're talking $330 million payment that was due.
	He just decided he didn't want to pay it.
	He sued Deutsche Bank, as well as all the other lenders, including Steve Mnuchin's Dune Capital, claiming that he didn't have to pay the money back.
	Because an act of God had occurred, this financial crisis, caused by the very people who lent him the money for this project, and therefore he didn't have to pay it back.
	So the one firm on Wall Street that would do business with him, he turns around and sues.
	Hold on.
	I think when we do these kinds of clips, we have to use the jingle.
	He's Trump!
	He's Trump!
	The president.
	The president.
	Excellent.
	Now, a couple of things about that clip.
	It was obviously in the contract.
	It's called Force Majeure, I think.
	I don't know exactly how to pronounce it.
	Force Majeure, which means usually force of God, force of nature, beyond anyone's control.
	Right.
	We have that in our speaker's contract when I give speeches.
	Of course.
	Yeah, you try to put a very few contracts have it in.
	If it's a dummy contract, if you have your own contract, you'll put that in.
	It's important.
	That means there's a storm or something, you can't get into the speed, you know, the thing, they want their money back, now they're not going to get it.
	An overwhelming force, which can also be an act of God.
	Yes.
	And so that's, I thought Trump pulled a good one there.
	there.
	Now he's been putting other projects since then.
	It's not as though nobody ever gives him any money.
	So I think this is kind of a bullshit.
	And by the way, I used a couple of swear words today and I want to talk about that because we need someone to edit this show because that station in Chicago wants to broadcast us again.
	Anyway, we'll get to So all he's doing is what you do.
	And we've had a letter from one other contractor in Manhattan who says this is the way you do business and that's just the way it is.
	So I don't think that's a bad thing.
	Part two of the clip, it's probably more of a bad thing than screwing the banks out of their money.
	Cohan worked on Wall Street for 17 years and has been writing about it ever since.
	In bestsellers like The Last Tycoons, House of Cards, and that book on Goldman Sachs, Money and Power.
	He's interviewed Donald Trump for magazine articles.
	What was he like to interview?
	Very charming, very funny.
	He once told me I had a great head of hair, like him, by the way.
	One thing that I talked to him about was how everybody on Wall Street had told me that he cheats at golf.
	So you mean you asked him, do you cheat at golf?
	Of course, I said, of course I asked him, do you cheat at golf?
	And he said, no, William, I don't cheat at golf.
	I'm a stretch golfer.
	And of course, I have all these country clubs that I own.
	Why would I cheat at golf?
	And you didn't believe him?
	No, I didn't believe him.
	Because subsequent to that, a friend of mine was playing with him in a foursome that day and saw him cheat at golf.
	Shank the ball off to the right.
	And then he sort of paraded up the middle of the fairway with his caddy 20 feet behind him and then saying, Oh, Mr.
	Trump!
	Mr.
	Trump, your ball!
	I found it!
	It's right here in the middle of the fairway.
	And you were surrounded by yes men.
	I think that is probably the best insult I've heard.
	You know, when someone accuses you of cheating at golf, that is like the lowest of the low, isn't it?
	That's like really...
	It's pretty bad, yeah.
	That's bad.
	That is bad.
	And you know, the funny thing is, I believe it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, possibly.
	Well, I think we have a new segment, John.
	He's Trump!
	He's Trump!
	The President!
	I'm liking that!
	Bang!
	Go ghosts!
	Cecil Rogers, Rodriguez, man.
	Great job.
	Yeah, keep that one right at the ready.
	I really, really like that.
	Hey, let's keep it on track for today, shall we?
	Let's go.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda.
	Alright, now we have an interesting situation here with Sir Richard Moffat, who donated $101.05.
	He's in Milwaukee.
	He's one of our normal regulars.
	But he also, later in the donation list, he's at $55.10.
	So he sent a note in with these two separate checks.
	One for $101.05 and one for $55.00 on the dime.
	And so that adds up to what?
	$156.60.
	5510, no, 15.
	Oh, 156.
	No, we're getting 20.
	105 and 5510 is 156.
	15.
	You got it, 156.15.
	That's what I said.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So he sends his note in.
	My donation of 5510 is obviously pronounced dot dot dot, then my other donation pronounced dot dot dot question mark.
	Sincerely, Richard Moffitt.
	Okay, hold on.
	So it's, oh gosh.
	What kind of test is this?
	101.
	I have no idea.
	Believe me, you can spend time on this.
	I have no idea what he's talking about.
	And what is it?
	5510?
	I don't know what it is.
	Double niggles on the dime, which is, that's pronounced that way.
	This is a 101.
	I don't know what this is.
	I have no idea what it is.
	I don't know.
	Okay, he's baffled it.
	He stumped the host.
	Big time, as usual.
	Anyway, I just was, what?
	Andrew Drake, 88, 88.
	We got three of these 88, 88, sack of eight people.
	Adam, sell me some non-GMO seeds.
	We obviously saw you on the Seed Man show.
	You heard me say, I want to sell some seeds, didn't you?
	You didn't hear that?
	No.
	Oh, my God.
	That was in a longer clip.
	Okay.
	Sir Woody of the Dakota Territory, Sioux Falls, 8888.
	Back to episode one.
	What a long, wow.
	What a long, strange trip it's been through thick and thin.
	I've loved it all.
	I want to give some karma.
	Episode one, listener.
	You've got karma.
	I don't recommend people going back that far anymore.
	No.
	Sir Brian Navarro, 8888, is in Los Angeles.
	He should be at the meetup, Brian.
	That's right.
	Michael Bradford.
	We're going to meet up day after Christmas in Los Angeles in Beverly Hills.
	Michael Bradbury 8008.
	And that's Boob.
	And that was the picture of Hayden in the newsletter.
	Oh, I'm so sorry.
	I was completely enthralled in something else.
	Okay.
	I don't care.
	So, no, I was like...
	Boob.
	Yeah.
	There you go.
	That's what I meant to do.
	Jeff McReynolds in Garland, Texas.
	Boob.
	Roger Boots in Mechanicsville, Iowa.
	Boots.
	And also boobs.
	Baroness Janice of the Mutton and Mead in Milpitas.
	She caught it, too.
	Ah, nice.
	Boobs.
	Sir Brian Green of Ham, 7373.
	KCY9JM. 7-3 is Kilo 5 Alpha Charlie Charlie.
	Isn't it KC9YJM? Kilo Charlie Yankee 9 Juliet Mike.
	No, but it...
	Oh, it should be Kilo...
	Yeah, you're right.
	I think it should be Kilo Charlie 9 Yankee Juliet Mike.
	Yeah, I think you're right.
	I know I put it right in the note to Eric.
	No, you're right.
	But I think he constantly transposes it.
	That, ladies and gentlemen, right there is how a true ham sounds.
	You caught it.
	I caught it.
	You're a ham.
	Sir Gottnate, 69-69.
	Sir William Bowman in Cornville, Arizona, 66.
	Sir Richard Moffitt in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 55-10, double nickels on the dime, again, we mentioned earlier.
	Sir Kevin Payne in Richmond, Virginia, 5432.
	Ryan Kiefer, parts unknown, 51-50.
	Nicholas Numa, N-U-H-M-A, in Katumba, New South Wales, Australia.
	Kirk Satsoff.
	We don't have as many Australian listeners recently.
	No.
	Kirk Satsoff in Novato, California.
	7-3's, 7-3's, Kilo Mike 6, Bravo Delta Victor.
	Yep.
	Finally got a job.
	Thanks for the karma.
	And then he says, wee!
	Shannon Atkins in Warren, Michigan.
	He says, appearance of Adam on Friday's Alex Jones show for the win!
	Sir Adam of the Coke Empire.
	Yeah, he was the one that had the problem.
	He figured out why his title wasn't coming through in the donations.
	Sir Adam of the Coke Empire?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it was just his name, but not his title.
	Because it was a recurring donation.
	Oh.
	Let me mention something.
	People who have recurring donations that come...
	Well, this is not a check, is it?
	No.
	No.
	PayPal.
	Okay, it's PayPal.
	Never mind.
	On checks, when you have these recurrent checks, like Sir Got Nate is one of them.
	He has as his note, you can put a note, it's like a note, and it goes across the top of the check, and it says Sir Got Nate across the top of the check.
	And that makes it very easy to get this thing correct.
	So I think there's another couple people that do that.
	And we encourage people to use checks, because it saves everybody money and hassle.
	Well, except you.
	Chets are great, especially those recurrents.
	Well, you've got to stamp them and bring them to the bank, but it saves a good amount of money, and yeah, it gives me something to do.
	It gets you out of the house.
	Yeah, it gets me out of the house.
	By the way, I am going to have to say that I've compared now your pen.
	This triggered me because you were talking, because you learned about the paper made from the bank lady.
	Yeah.
	I still like my old VR7 better.
	Okay.
	I just want to say the precise, I'm sorry, V7RT from Pilot, I still think is better.
	I'm just saying.
	Nothing against it.
	There was another guy who had a pin recommendation.
	Okay, it's fine.
	These are not expensive pins.
	No.
	My favorite pen of all time is a Waterman ballpoint.
	It's just an astonishing product, but it's so expensive.
	Oh, yeah.
	We should do a podcast about pens.
	Yeah, the pen cast.
	The pen cast.
	There you go.
	Yeah, that'd be great.
	Our...
	An hour.
	Okay, these are all $50 donations, starting with Sir Adam of the Coke Empire.
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	Somebody, well, there's a dedouching involved with this donation.
	My husband, Brad Giacomini, in Godfrey, Illinois, his long-overdue dedouching.
	You've been de-douched.
	There you go.
	How nice, Allison.
	Wow, that's a good woman.
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	Jesse Nolet in Arlington, Texas, right down the street from you.
	Richard Gardner, which I... Sir, Sir Richard Gardner.
	Sir Richard, and we know where he's from.
	Yeah, the law library.
	He's from the law library.
	Michael Vicklund, I think he's a sir also, and he's in Sweden.
	Drew Mochak in elsewhere.
	Sorry, Richard Gardner's not from the law library, my mistake.
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	And last but not least, Kyle Meyer in Atlanta, Georgia.
	I want to thank all these folks for helping us produce this show.
	Yeah, we have a make good from show 882.
	This is from Phil Rodokanakis, Sir Forensicator.
	When I created my knighthood back in March of this year, I thought I would skate for a while.
	But now John is complaining about producers having fallen overboard, so I felt compelled to make another donation to the greatest podcast in the universe.
	Your coverage throughout the election was fantastic, and the shows continue getting better and better.
	When you relate the negative feedback you receive at times from other listeners, I can't help but wonder whether these people are listening to the same show or just getting their kicks out of being negative.
	No, they live in a different reality.
	It doesn't mean it's wrong.
	Thanks for your hard work and the many hours of enjoyment you offer us weekly, Sir Forensicator.
	Since my donation wasn't mentioned, I think he gave us $300, John.
	Yeah, we'll put him on today.
	He'll be an executive producer at Show 885.
	Yeah, but he says, now do I get to be a black executive producer?
	Not unless you're black.
	Okay, so that is a no, but we will play for him.
	He wants fear is freedom and don't be a denier, so we'll do that.
	And thank you everyone for supporting our show.
	It is the value-for-value model.
	You're getting some value.
	You're showing it to us, and we'll continue to work as hard as we can for you.
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	Under $50, typically for reasons of anonymity, but also people are on monthly subscriptions in the night layaway plan.
	Remember us for our show coming up on Thursday at Dvorak.org slash NA. Pins in human clothing!
	To the gate, to the gate, to the planet gates.
	You've got karma.
	All righty then.
	It's your birthday, birthday.
	I'm so much younger.
	And a very short list today.
	James Vincent Carlson becomes...
	I'm sorry, what am I doing here?
	No, the list is one.
	Exactly one.
	Jason Zeissler says happy birthday to Zach Zeissler celebrating on December 14th.
	That's it.
	Happy birthday to everybody here at the best podcast in the universe.
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	That is the boy from Cabela.
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	This is a deer call.
	Oh.
	For a bull deer, I think.
	Fabulous.
	A mating call or something, I'm not sure.
	Pull your blade, man.
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	Oh, I played a Climate Glate.
	Climate Glate.
	Climate Glate.
	I have a quick Climate Glate clip.
	Chris Cuomo.
	Now I ask you, just so I'm clear, what is the agreed-to percentage of scientists who agree with the consensus that...
	97.
	97.
	That's what I believe as well.
	Yeah, we have documentation to say it's 97.
	Of course, we also have a long exposition on why it's 97 and how that's a bogus number to begin with.
	Right.
	But that's not what people believe in the other dimension.
	No, of course not.
	The counter-podcast dimension.
	So, is it 97%, 99%, or 90%?
	Do you choose 97%?
	97 is the right number, but now they're starting to say 99.
	Do you accept the science or you don't?
	No, that's not what he's saying.
	He's saying that he sees nuance where you see black and white.
	99% of the scientific community says global warming.
	CNN says the number is 90%.
	Now, do you hear that?
	Say it again.
	This is Chris Cuomo.
	And I guess he's probably talking about the EPA pick.
	And he says 99.
	But then the woman from CNN says, no, CNN says 90.
	I never heard the 90.
	What?
	Yeah, listen.
	When did that happen?
	Do you accept the science or you don't?
	No, that's not what he's saying.
	He's saying that he sees nuance where you see black and white that it's either shadowed or not.
	99% of the scientific community says global warming is impacted by masks.
	CNN says the number is 90%, but here's the deal.
	90%?
	Okay.
	Wow.
	It's not even 90.
	It used to be 97% of climate scientists who wrote about the topic, discussing it in specific topics.
	They came with 97% of those people that already wrote about it saying it's...
	I guess what I'm pointing out is that even when they make up a fake number, they can't even stick to it.
	And 90%, that's never been in play.
	But now what's weird to me is that 99% of the scientific community, which I consider myself a part of, Absolutely, Professor Dvorak.
	Are you kidding me?
	Anyone who disputes that, I shall chop their head off.
	It's unbelievable.
	My daughter asks me that she listens to the show now.
	Uh-oh.
	She's the dog walker, so she's got something to listen to.
	She's walking dogs.
	Which apparently pays more than half the minimum wage jobs around here.
	So she listens to the show.
	I'm driving her over someplace and she says...
	So what is this thing with you and Adam and climate, and the climate?
	And I had the reader, I just told her the whole background.
	I said, well, we're skeptical for anything.
	I told her why.
	And I don't think a lot of people realize why we're skeptical.
	First of all, let's start with cap and trade.
	You know, if there's such a big and important thing, why are we doing cap and trade?
	That means nothing changes.
	It's like a balancing act.
	So that's bullcrap.
	Climate gate, the phony emails that came out, the fact that people don't want to discuss it.
	And every report is confident, high confidence, low confidence, pretty confident.
	Right, and what happened to the old hockey stick?
	She doesn't even remember the hockey stick.
	I also said to her...
	I just went on and on.
	I said to her, and then the whole thing you have to realize is based on computer models, which are notoriously lousy.
	They're notorious.
	You can't use a computer model for this.
	Remember the kids in England would never see snow again except inside a snow globe?
	Right.
	Yeah, that was a good one.
	And then there's the mudflats over here.
	I mentioned that this has been going on.
	I have a map from 1880 that somebody sent the same mudflats.
	Where's those rising tides that are wiping out the Marianas or whatever islands are going away?
	When Jay comes over with a friend, do you notice that they're tiptoeing past so as not to alert you that they're there?
	Is that...
	Don't say it's my crazy dad.
	Mudflats.
	I don't know.
	Let him talk about mudflats.
	I got in trouble with some Dvorak women, by the way.
	I want to tell you about it.
	And I want to say...
	I know the story.
	And I want to say...
	Because it was brought up at the dinner.
	So I want to say that also is that this...
	Closing off the debate.
	Oh, 99% of all scientists is bullcrap.
	These are lies.
	It's a lie.
	It's a lie.
	It's not 99% of all scientists.
	So why are these lies and the deceit and the closing off the debate and saying it's concluded, we're done?
	This, to me, strikes me as fishy.
	Well, this clip continues, and in 30 seconds, this Cuomo douche We'll tell you that if you deny climate change, man-made climate change, you are a racist.
	I've been waiting for this.
	I've been waiting to figure out how to do that.
	Here it is.
	Global warming is impacted by men.
	CNN says the number's 90%, but here's the deal.
	Republicans, a lot of Republicans, and certainly something like 30% of voters, and they voted for Trump, agree with him.
	And they think that in terms of the predictions and the forecasts, this is where it comes in, that it's far from settled.
	The predictions and the forecasts...
	People thought the world was flat.
	Yes.
	People thought blacks and whites shouldn't marry.
	People thought blacks shouldn't be equal.
	That doesn't mean that you accept it as fact as a leader.
	People thought that the Antarctic ice would be gone by now.
	It increased in 2014.
	There you go.
	You went real quick from denying climate.
	I'm surprised you didn't put the Holocaust in there.
	Yeah, well, this is, again, fishy to me.
	And...
	Yeah.
	It's like shoveling, you know, it's like peeing into the wind.
	I mean, you just, this is nothing but an uphill battle for anyone who publicly is a skeptic.
	Yes.
	That's us.
	It's a very hard thing, and people still, every once in a while we still get some new, I don't get you guys, but you don't get the climate thing.
	It's like, you know, it's settled.
	It's settled.
	It's settled.
	It's a computer model.
	Yeah.
	Well, so here's something I don't get.
	And I'm glad it came up at the dinner table.
	I'm happy to understand what happened here.
	On the face bag, Buskill Jr.'s wife, Jessie, she posted that, oh, you know, this kid's kicking inside of me.
	She'll be at the meetup.
	Kid's kicking inside of me.
	And here's what I posted.
	I meant it very well, of course.
	I said, I was always envious that my daughter and her mom had such an intimate relationship for months ahead of meeting her.
	And I meant that really well.
	I kind of meant like, wow, it's so special you have a human growing inside of you.
	First comment from someone named Teresa.
	Um, yeah, suppose that's one way of looking at it.
	Second comment, from Mimi.
	Yeah, aliens punching internal organs just doesn't have the same romantic ring when it's your organs!
	And then I posted, geez, last time I threw out a compassionate comment about this topic.
	And then the next comment is, yeah, probably better.
	Like, holy crap!
	Now, how did I go?
	I meant this as a nice thing.
	Yeah, yeah.
	When I heard this story, which is pretty much exactly the way it was discussed, you didn't change it.
	I said, oh, it's that black mold.
	Ah!
	Screwed him up.
	Butt slam!
	Am I stupid?
	Did I do something dumb?
	I guess I was.
	A little bit.
	Why?
	It's just a little bit mushy.
	It was the black mold.
	Don't worry about it.
	It's fine.
	You're just going to eventually become a gun-toting liberal.
	Well, enjoy your road show then with all the speeches you'll be doing to pay the rent.
	Well, it hasn't happened yet, but I see it going there.
	Wow, Brutus.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Hey, Okay, I'm sorry to have to play two separate clips from him because it's a little much.
	Wait, you're not talking about you're going to play a John Kerry clip?
	No, no, no, no.
	No, I have to say another Tucker clip, actually.
	Oh, that's okay.
	I don't watch it.
	Now it's your beat.
	I mean, I see him once in a while on a clip thing that goes over to Twitter.
	But I think it's great.
	I think you're right.
	The guy has actually become worth listening to.
	He's combative.
	The context of this is Bill, was it H.R. 6, I think?
	21st Century Cures Act.
	That's the backdrop.
	And not that I understand all the nuances, this is all the stuff that was put into the Affordable Care Act, a.k.a.
	Obamacare.
	And it, you know, regarding testing of medical devices.
	There's a whole bunch of stuff in there.
	Generics, you know, pricing of generics.
	So there's a lot going on.
	And this actually already, this has already passed the house, I guess.
	So I don't know where it is.
	But he had on the poster child of big pharma assholes, Martin Shkreli.
	The crazy guy.
	Our favorite.
	Hold on.
	Stop.
	Step back.
	The mofo makes sense.
	Really?
	Yes!
	I remember I said something about this guy.
	I don't know what's going on, but somewhere there's something underneath it that I think is good.
	And this is about orphan pharmaceuticals.
	Orphan drugs.
	And actually, Obama bought him after the divorce, doesn't talk to me anymore.
	But I know a guy who was doing an orphan drug company, and he raised like $20 million, and there's maybe only 700 people in the world who have this particular ailment, but it's life-saving for them.
	And in his case, he made that, I guess the formula is known, but no drug company wants to touch it because it's just not worth it for him.
	So, of course, you make the drug and then it has to be reasonably expensive, but, you know, people stay alive.
	It's a business.
	So this guy, now I understand Skreli's business model, he'll get into it, is the orphan drug trade.
	Check it out.
	You were at the bottom of a media dog pile, a hate fest.
	It was like that short story, the lottery.
	You were being stoned by the crowd.
	So I'm sympathetic to that.
	However, I have to say, in cases like yours, and in yours specifically, where you have someone who takes a product he did not create, added no apparent value to it, and then jacks the price up, it does seem like kind of a parasite move.
	You know, it's interesting.
	These big drug companies, they don't look at these drugs any more fondly than you look at the shoes in your closet that you haven't worn in five years and you're ready to throw away.
	They're old medicines that nobody cares about anymore, and they get passed around from company to company to company looking for a home for tender, loving care.
	The reason they get passed around is because they're not Viagra, they're not Lipitor, they're not big sellers.
	These drugs sell almost nothing, and it costs millions of dollars to make a medicine.
	Even to make it for one drug I bought, the company stopped making it because it wasn't worth it to them.
	Right.
	And the 300 patients that needed this drug to survive, they didn't have anybody that actually wanted to make the pill for them, just stamp out a pill.
	And so we bought that drug.
	We raised it 20-fold.
	There was no media celebrity.
	There was no...
	Nobody knew who I was that day, the day before, or the day after.
	It was only...
	I've done this about six times, and each time the patients thank me for doing it because they say, I'd rather have someone make a few dollars and make my pills reliably, maybe continue research in the field, give grants out, do the things that you need to do to be a drug company, because when I have this rare disease, only a few hundred people have my illness.
	I don't have the numbers of erectile dysfunction or cholesterol.
	I get that, but if you raise it 5,000%, it seems a bit like a hostage situation.
	It's still barely profitable.
	And if you look at the amount of people that have this illness and you add it all up, there are orphan drugs that are half a million a year, every year, forever.
	So you've got to pay a drug company $5 million to survive.
	That's a hostage situation.
	Our pill is $25,000 if you take it for the amount of time you're supposed to take it.
	That's pretty comparable or even a lot less than most of the drugs of its kind.
	So I looked at it and said, you know, I don't listen to the media.
	I don't listen to politicians.
	I listen to rationality and logic.
	And I'm going to price this drug where it belongs, not where somebody tells me to, not where it's going to look bad or make me look good.
	And I'm going to serve these patients.
	So where was this guy all that time?
	The guy is actually making some sense.
	I could have been set up.
	That was Scarelli?
	That's Scarelli.
	I have two more short clips following up on this.
	And this leads into the price gouging of the pharmaceuticals.
	He's actually turning into quite a poster child for the real evil.
	It's mind-bending, this.
	So you like Trump, I think.
	Sure.
	Seem to on Twitter anyway.
	But Trump is making a counter case really kind of against yours.
	He did with Boeing the other day.
	He said, you know what?
	We want him to make money, but we don't want him to make too much money.
	Yeah, and I don't want to make too much money either.
	You know, Turing is a company that's across the street from here, literally catty corner.
	Its profit margins are very thin.
	Pfizer raises the drug price of Viagra 13% last year.
	13%.
	You're supposed to raise prices to keep...
	Not to brag, but I wouldn't know.
	Yeah.
	You're supposed to raise prices in line with inflation to combat inflationary forces.
	That's why your salary, maybe your salary goes up 10% a year, but most people's salary goes up 1% or 2% a year because it's supposed to keep pace with inflation.
	It doesn't make sense to me that Pfizer, who's going to make, what, $10, $20 billion this year, needs to raise the price of Viagra 10%.
	I've got 100 people catty-corner from here barely making ends meet.
	We're trying to make new drugs for rare diseases.
	Boeing doesn't need the money.
	Pfizer doesn't need the money.
	I started turning two years ago.
	And we're doing groundbreaking research in five or six different diseases.
	And I think it's okay for us to make a small profit.
	I don't know.
	It just really, really interested me what he was saying here.
	And here it is, finally, the generics.
	This is going to be big, depending on how legislation goes.
	I think what Trump wants to do is pretty smart.
	You know, he understands that pharma companies have been getting away with quite a nice gig raising drug prices.
	And I think what he wants to do is encourage FDA to approve generics more quickly.
	Yes.
	And the FDA's done a very bad job of that, and I think that if he can figure that out, and I think he will, he seems to be on top of things, there'll be a lot more competition in the drug marketplace.
	Wouldn't that undercut your business?
	Sure.
	But, you know, part of being a business person is taking advantage of the playing field like a football game.
	And if they're throwing a blitz, I'm going to pass and vice versa.
	And, you know, the situation in the play field was set up the way it was when I started my company.
	And I'm not permanently going to...
	I do drug research.
	If they're going to incentivize that, that would help me.
	So, you know, it depends on the situation.
	There you go.
	Martin Shkreli, The Nut Job.
	Well, I don't know.
	The whole thing seems fishy because he was playing a different role or something.
	For sure.
	I'm not sure.
	But the one thing not mentioned here in the generics thing, which is a nice, sounds good on paper, but it reminds me of the provigil maker who didn't also, went generic, provigil, that's a Pet pills that don't have the effects of amphetamines.
	It goes generic.
	And then the company that made it bought the company that makes the generic.
	And they keep the price the same.
	That's in that bill that I was talking about.
	There's specific language regarding pharmaceuticals who own the generic.
	They will not be able to price it the way they want it.
	Well, that's a little bit of, I think, from a pure capitalistic perspective, a little bit of over-regulation.
	I agree.
	But these guys are acting like a bunch of douchebags anyway.
	They need something to happen.
	You want to hear the views take on what was going to happen with our health care?
	Oh, God.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	It's a shorty.
	It's going to get a little more attention when people start opening their envelopes and seeing those letters about their insurance dropping them.
	For some reason, they believe that the minute Trump is president, then everyone's health care stops.
	And then she's talking about, oh, people are getting envelopes.
	They're already getting envelopes, she's saying.
	It just, you know, Trump is the president-elect and they're already getting envelopes that your insurance is being canceled.
	It's going to get a little more attention when people start opening their envelopes and seeing those letters about their insurance dropping them.
	Yeah.
	Because they're losing their, what we call Obamacare.
	And boy, is that going to be bad.
	I just had a friend who got this, and she, uh, Has her kid.
	And doctor sent a note and said, oh, we're not going to be able to cover you anymore.
	So sorry.
	And she said, well, I've got a little money.
	I can do this.
	And they were like, no, you have to sort of get this kind of coverage, coverage she can't afford.
	So this is going to be really interesting, Donald.
	I can't wait until people start sending you their letters and tweets about that.
	Period now.
	But it's all going to hit the fan very shortly.
	Well, it's hitting the fan.
	People are starting to get it.
	People are starting to get those emails and letters saying, oh, by the way, you know, we're not going to be taking care of this anymore because we basically don't have to.
	And then she said something I don't know about, so I'm going to ask you.
	No, that's clear.
	She said she thought she had read that they were losing the head of household deduction.
	Tax deduction?
	Tax deduction.
	I don't know about that.
	So we have to look that up because she said she wasn't your brother.
	And that scared her.
	That scared her.
	This is just bullcrap.
	These women don't know what they're talking about.
	almost done the benefit for ripples of hope it's called and there was so many smart people there one smart person said one smart person what's your name who these smart people are joy behar so many smart people hope it's called and there was so many smart people there one smart person said probably he was probably black that's her version of racism smart he was very smart um that they think that what's going to really happen is the republicans are going to turn on him because he's against big business a lot and they don't like that and
	And other things that he's doing, they're not going to be happy with him.
	And he has enemies in the Republican Party and Pence will eventually start doing the presidency.
	What do you think about that?
	I mean, it was just a guess.
	Watch your uterus.
	That's all I'm saying.
	There you go.
	Watch your uterus.
	She is obsessed with her vagina.
	Apparently.
	Obsessed, I tell you.
	Get out of my vagina!
	Watch your uterus!
	I mean, she's obsessed!
	Yes, she's brought this up more than a few times.
	I'll say.
	Sorry, well, I got something here that I think because people listen to this show, they need occasional tips.
	Yes.
	We give them tips every once in a while.
	This is a tip I think that people, because I went to this website, and I have to say it's kind of interesting.
	Luckily, I don't have this problem.
	This is about the airbag recall, and luckily my 23-year-old Lexus, which the airbag probably just opens, but at least it's not a bad one.
	But listen, this is a good tip.
	This is the airbag recall tip.
	Now you're sure this is just the tip, nothing more, because you promised just the tip.
	It's just a tip.
	I'm seeing blood all over my shirt.
	And I thought I was going to bleed to death.
	Tonight, the airbag maker Takata tells NBC News it has ramped up production and capacity of airbag replacement kits to meet demand.
	To find out if your airbag is under recall, your vehicle under recall, find your vehicle identification number right there on the dashboard.
	Then go to safercar.gov.
	Safercar.gov.
	Type that in.
	The recall should show up and your priority number should also appear.
	And safercar.gov is an entertaining site.
	It probably costs, you know, $100 million to develop.
	But it's actually, it's worth going to.
	I would recommend everyone doing that.
	John, thank you.
	Another tip?
	Less than 10 minutes to go.
	Okay?
	All right, it's a 10-minute warning, John.
	Well, I have a clip.
	Yes?
	Go?
	I have a clip that I've been stalling.
	I've been putting it off.
	And it's a clip about something that's not reported.
	Guy just It's not being reported, but when he outlines what he's going to talk about here, it becomes pretty apparent.
	And we've kind of talked about this on the show.
	Who is John Pilger?
	He's a writer that, you know, that researches our policies toward China and elsewhere.
	Right.
	And this is actually quite interesting.
	Artis Afshin Ratanzi discussed this with award-winning journalist and filmmaker John Pilger while they were talking about his new film, The Coming War on China.
	There are 400 US bases encircling China.
	They start in Australia, they go through the Pacific, they go up through Japan, Korea, across Eurasia.
	It's like a giant noose around China.
	Missiles, warships, low-draft warships which can approach China just outside Chinese waters.
	The provocation Of China that has gone on in the last five, six years has been extreme.
	It is extraordinary.
	It's not only a blockade, it's a blackout.
	Apart from you and I discussing it and here and there in the media, the blackout of this situation Around China has been almost total.
	The news, the perception that we're given, we're not allowed to know these important and very disturbing events.
	You have the biggest build-up of US air and naval forces since the Second World War.
	That's an extraordinary story that has simply been suppressed.
	But another blackout has been on the biggest military exercise in living memory, and that was Operation Talisman Sabre, which the US last year, 2015, the US led, and in which they rehearsed the blockade of the Straits of Malacca.
	Through which come 80% of China's oil, its resources, much of its trade, and so on.
	So this constant provocation is really what that rather innocuous term, pivot to Asia, that Obama announced in 2011, really means.
	Hey, holy crap!
	Remember when that Malaysian air flight went down and all of a sudden we had our warships in the Straits of Malacca?
	Yeah.
	That was around the same time that he's talking about.
	Yeah.
	Oh, man, we nailed it!
	Well, now that, but this also refers back to the front-line story with the Marine, the woman who joins the Marines, and they're talking about front-lines, front-lines combat.
	I mean, why are we gearing up to...
	What are we going to do with China here?
	This is ridiculous.
	I don't know, but we better be friends with the Russians.
	You don't want the Russians being friends with the Chinese if we're being...
	That's actually an old thesis.
	Is to keep those two from ganging up.
	Then you got problems.
	My goodness.
	They share a common border and seem to be in dispute constantly.
	I'm just going to put my hands over my ears.
	La la la la la.
	It's very, very disappointing.
	It's very disappointing, all of this.
	Very, very, very...
	Can't tell you how disappointing.
	I'm livening things up with that clip.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Thanks.
	All right.
	I have a clip here.
	Two clips, and then I'm done.
	First, this is Fareed Zakaria.
	He's...
	We're pontificating on President Obama's big Homeland Security speech about how we're doing, and all of a sudden people are able to put things into perspective the way it's never done before.
	The big difference is I think that in that speech yesterday Obama emphasized it's really important to put ISIS and terrorism in context.
	It is not an existential threat to the United States.
	The number of people it has been able to kill over the last decade has been trivial.
	He often points out more Americans drown in their bathtubs every year than are killed by, you know, international terrorists.
	And so, don't overreact.
	Don't shred the Constitution.
	Don't sacrifice civil liberties because this is a manageable threat.
	That piece, I think he and Trump, you know, he's Mr.
	Underreaction and Trump is Mr.
	Overreaction.
	I mean, for eight years, we've been terrorized by our own government about terrorists.
	For 15, 16 years, we've been taking our shoes off.
	I mean, are you kidding me?
	And now, oh, just put it into perspective.
	More people die in their bathtub.
	More people now die from heroin than from guns.
	By the way.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Best point of Thursday's show was the real gateway is Oxy.
	That's a great point, John.
	Great point.
	It's a gateway drug.
	To wrap up the anger and the other dimension that we've discussed, here is the Progressive Caucus.
	It's a compilation.
	The Progressive Caucus, and you will hear in order of appearance, let me see, Huffman from California, DeLauro from Connecticut, Joukowsky from Illinois, and my favorite, Sheila Jackson Lee from Texas.
	Here's what they think and what they're going to do about Trump.
	With only a few exceptions, the individuals that President-elect Trump has appointed is the greatest collection of stooges and cronies and misfits we have ever seen in a presidential administration.
	Some of these folks' only qualifications for the job that they are being appointed for Is that they have attempted to dismantle and undermine and destroy the very agencies that they are now hoping to run.
	We cannot, as we are not doing this morning, we cannot sit back.
	We need to stay.
	Have you ever seen this woman, DeLauro, from Connecticut?
	I don't know, maybe.
	She looks like a middle-aged social justice warrior.
	I've probably seen her.
	I mean, if I had to have dinner with her, I'd just want to punch her.
	That's not nice.
	It's not nice at all.
	That's why I don't go out anymore.
	Hoping to run.
	We cannot, as we are not doing this morning, we cannot sit back.
	We need to stand up.
	For the millions of children, for working families, and for the seniors who are going to be personally harmed by these irresponsible appointments.
	It is not just a responsibility, but it is a moral responsibility that we stand up and fight.
	And that's what the Progressive Caucus is intending to do.
	So, Donald Trump, as it has been mentioned, has already been breaking his campaign promises, and rather than draining the swamp, he is now filling it up with hungry crocodiles.
	Mr.
	Trump, cease and desist and begin to solicit people that will, in fact, reflect the laws of this nation.
	There you go.
	Geez.
	I know.
	Four-star generals?
	Okay.
	That's the way they see it.
	Hey, shut up, slave.
	Very, very disappointing.
	Shut up, slave.
	Exactly.
	Alright, you had the 10-minute warning?
	You can wrap it up if you wish, sir.
	Well, let's see.
	I had the good clip there.
	I have a funny clip that's got...
	Aleppo's interesting because it's finally caving in and then we don't know what to do about it.
	I have some clips that I can play on Thursday.
	There's a crazy report on...
	Okay, here's one.
	This will be a good way to finish it up.
	This is the stupidity of the Portland City Council.
	Well, the report says it all, but I will mention in advance that I've done some research on the various cities.
	There's no real reason I was doing this, but I was looking at all the cities and how broke they are or not broke.
	I think this has to do with the bond collapse.
	I'm looking into what kind of city is not going to make it through.
	There are three cities, maybe more, but there's three I know of that are literally broke Completely broke right now.
	You can't balance the books with or without the unfunded liabilities for pensions.
	With or without.
	This is what we talked about as possibly triggering the bond market collapse.
	Yeah, the bond market collapse, which will take place in June or July of this year, probably.
	Write it down, people.
	Anyway, so these cities, without even counting the unfunded liabilities, Flint, Michigan, Detroit, And Portland, Oregon.
	They're broke.
	But here's what they're going to do.
	This is a very smart move, I guess, to get out from under?
	Really?
	Drive all the corporations out and here's how they're going to do it.
	Portland City Council has voted to impose additional taxes on companies whose CEOs earn more than 100 times the median pay of their workers.
	The Oregon measure, which Portland officials say is the first in the nation, targets and penalizes companies that perpetuate income inequality.
	Portland Mayor Charlie Hale said, quote, income inequality is real.
	It's a national problem, and the federal government isn't doing anything about it, unquote.
	Yeah, the federal government's not doing anything about it.
	They're not supposed to do anything about it.
	But that's okay.
	Good luck, Portland.
	That's not the world we live in, John.
	It's gotta be fair.
	It's gotta be fair.
	Don't be unfair.
	I don't know, man.
	I grew up with sticks and stones and break my bones, but names will never hurt me, and life is unfair, Adam!
	Okay, Mom.
	Mom.
	Yeah, that's my mom.
	Get back to work.
	Stay in the kitchen.
	If you don't, I will spank you with a hairbrush, bristle side down.
	I got that one.
	Well, that'd actually probably be better.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, thank you all so much for participating in the program, especially the chat room.
	Very handy today.
	Very good.
	And remember us for Thursday's show at Dvorak.org slash NA. Yeah.
	I got nothing.
	Crappy weather, it's just a slow, easy Sunday.
	Coming to you from the skyscraper here at the Crackpot Condo in downtown Austin, Texas, the capital of the Drone Star State, FEMA Region 6 on the governmental maps.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where Plato say, woman who idolized a well-dressed banker have vested interest.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We will return on Thursday, right here, on No Agenda.
	Adios, mofos!
	India, hang out, Mike.
	Standby.
	33, 33, 33.
	Rubbleizer, out.
	It's time when it's isolated know-it-all from the Silicon Valley, Google, and Facebook to, like, get this stuff together.
	Being hallucinated for meaning something other than what they appeared to mean.
	Something other than what they appeared to mean.
	They appeared to mean.
	It's time when it's isolated know-it-all.
	It's time when it's isolated know-it-all.
	Know-it-all.
	Know-it-all.
	to like get this stuff together.
	They know it's not true and it's just horrible.
	I think either way it's really disturbing.
	I think either way it's really disturbing.
	Disturbing, disturbing.
	They hallucinated or meaning something other than what they appeared to mean.
	Something other than what they appeared to mean.
	They appeared to mean.
	They know it's not true and it's just horrible.
	I think either way it's really disturbing.
	I think either way it's really disturbing.
	Disturbing, disturbing.
	This time it is isolated know-it-alls from the Silicon Valley, Google, and Facebook to like get this stuff together.
	Do they know it's not true and they're just trying to stir up trouble?
	I think either way it's really disturbing.
	I think either way is really disturbing.
	Disturbing.
	Disturbing.
	Get out of my vagina.
	Get out of my vagina. - Not right.
	...speech to hate.
	None of this is normal.
	None of the hate speech to hate.
	None of this is normal.
	None of the people turn.
	None of this is want people.
	None of this is...
	None of this is...
	None of the hate speech to hate.
	There are the clouds right now.
	That system I'm tracking.
	It gets in here late tomorrow afternoon.
	The American people...
	...have to hold our...
	...trying to invoke...
	...have to hold our...
	...invoke by comparing...
	...creasing clouds.
	Of course, there comes the chances...
	...the hate...
	I love the hate speech, the hate crimes that are...
	None of this is normal.
	We do normalize or stand.
	Of course, there are clouds increasing with those increasing clouds.
	We do things that are spiking.
	Call Trump or states and gaffings to Hitler.
	None of this is normal.
	You sing it with those increasing clouds.
	Of course, there are clouds increasing.
	You sing it with those things.
	Clouds and clouds.
	None of this is new.
	And I love the hate speech, the hate crimes that are.
	We do not.
	We do not.
	We do normalize.
	It's not the discussion.
	With those increasing clouds.
	Of course, there comes the change.
	And I want people to remain vigilant.
	Those increasing clouds.
	Of course, there comes the chance of some showers and some rain.
	I'm trying to have the discussion that you need.
	And I want people to be able to remain vigilant.
	I think that it's very normal.
	None of the hate speech, the hate crimes that are spiking.
	Watch your uterus.
	Adam Curry's here with Max Keiser.
	Max rarely comes awesome or flattered at him.
	Go to noagendashow.com.
	This is the epic battle that's taking place.
	It's mainstream media.
	Just like the record business, for years, denied, denied, denied.
	Now, if you sell 2,000 records to your top 10 on Billboard, that's how bad it is.
	Wow.
	Really?
	It's that bad.
	Wow, I can put on an album and sell 100 albums.
	You can find the bad music.
	Alex Jones Christmas record.
	I would definitely buy it.
	The Angel Bells, The Lonely Soldier, Mama Stole My Christmas Tree, all the classics.
	Have you ever had Charles Ortel on?
	No, but I've heard him a lot.
	Yeah, so he's a guy, he's a financial analyst, and he really took apart the Clinton Foundation.
	Yeah, let's get Charles Artel on.
	You definitely need to get this guy on.
	Amen.
	Fist bump.
	Adios, mofo.
	The best podcast in the universe.

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