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	The straightest, sissest, whitest person you can find.
	Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
	And Sunday, October 9th, 2016, this is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 867.
	This is No Agenda.
	Fully qualified experts in human anatomy and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone, Star State here in Austin, Tejas.
	Wait a minute.
	I'm into Big Apple.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where Confucius say, man who make Chinese pun, not curry, favor.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Crackpot and Buzzkill.
	In the morning.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, great.
	What?
	You're just going to keep on with the Confucius.
	Confucius, I guess.
	I got the joke.
	I got the joke.
	Did you have that written by someone else?
	I'm sure that's not in the Confucius book.
	Yes, it was written by a professional.
	Wait a minute.
	Where did that come from?
	Yep.
	Well, you know, there's a dispute.
	Martin Higgins.
	Everyone who knows comedy remembers him from the good old days.
	He wrote that for you?
	Yeah.
	Oh, how nice.
	Because he realized that there was this phony baloney feud because you hate these puns.
	So he wrote that little gag as a one-liner.
	It's fantastic.
	Oh, yes.
	It's just fabulous.
	I don't think it's phony baloney.
	I think we should put it to a vote.
	Well, we might as well after this week's donations.
	Oh my goodness.
	What the hell happened?
	Is it because of Columbus Day?
	Or what was that?
	Is there a Columbus Day?
	Still?
	Well...
	It's Indigenous Peoples Day out here in California.
	On Monday?
	Indigenous Peoples Day?
	Yeah.
	Oh man.
	Man.
	Well, we're in New York, and I don't know if they celebrate Columbus Day.
	I think they do celebrate Columbus Day in New York.
	Yeah, of course they do.
	Columbus Day is a big holiday in New York.
	No, well, in New York, but isn't Columbus now deemed a racist?
	Oh, he's a racist and a pig and a...
	Yeah, yeah, so...
	Who knows other names you can come up with?
	He's a slaver.
	Xenophobe, slave driver, yeah, stuff like that.
	Yeah, all that stuff.
	Yeah, so I don't think it's celebrated everywhere anymore.
	Well, New York would have to celebrate.
	It's kind of an Italian thing.
	Hmm.
	I don't know.
	New Yorkers would not put up with it being not celebrated.
	No, I just remember a lot of controversy about this in previous years.
	And not that we really care, because we pretty much work on all holidays.
	Yes.
	Well, anyway, so here we are in New York City, Tina the Keeper and I, in our Airbnb on East 58th Street, which is an odd neighborhood to be in.
	It is an odd neighborhood.
	That's not Hell's Kitchen.
	What is it?
	Well, I guess it's not quite Upper East Side.
	It's kind of like No Man's Land.
	Yeah, it's dusty.
	How about that?
	It's dusty.
	It's dusty.
	A lot of construction going on.
	There's a lot of construction going on in New York.
	It's ridiculous.
	Oh, it's just crazy.
	Not as much as in San Francisco, though.
	Well, we're Austin on our own, but it's pretty bad.
	Yeah, Austin's got a lot going on.
	Everybody's building, building, building, just getting ready for the collapse so we can watch these properties go up for sale.
	Cheap.
	Well, I don't know.
	To me, it's like these are all Russian-owned properties, and they're just going to be here empty until the time is right for them, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Very strange.
	Move into Syrians.
	But here's something.
	The first time this happened to me with Airbnb, and so the reason we got this location is because we flew out after the show Thursday, and Got in around 10.15 into Newark, and Friday morning at 8 a.m.
	or 8.30, I had this Newhouse School, Syracuse University Summit, which we'll talk about.
	Of course, these things always start.
	Why does academia always start at 8 a.m.?
	I've run into a lot of conferences where they always want to start at 8 a.m.
	And the funny thing about it is it's usually after they have the big party the night before.
	So people straggle in.
	You have to give a speech.
	It's 8.30 in the morning.
	People are straggling in.
	They can barely see.
	They're still seeing double.
	And half of them don't show up because they sleep in.
	It's just I don't understand it.
	It makes no sense.
	Yeah.
	I don't think they had a party the night before, but this is New York City, and a lot of people, particularly if you're a Syracuse, New York-based university, but for guests who are coming in for this panel, most people don't live in the city.
	They live in Jersey, they live in New York or Connecticut.
	So that means they have to get up at 4.30 to have any chance of being in at 8am.
	Yeah, so I'm sure the audience was sparse.
	Did you know that the tunnel now in New York is almost $20 each way?
	Wow.
	I remember when it was $4.
	I think I remember when it was $3.50, actually.
	Geez.
	Well, they don't want people coming in.
	No.
	But anyway, so...
	They've been discouraging people from coming into the city.
	Well, it's working with those prices.
	You want to come in?
	Take the train.
	Take the train.
	It's so safe.
	Take the train.
	We had another crash.
	Another train crash here in New York.
	Anyway, so that's why we're on East 58th Street.
	It's kind of an odd neighborhood.
	There were very few Airbnbs.
	In fact, only one that kind of qualified, which means it had, you know, like a bathroom inside the apartment itself.
	And I liked it a lot because this is kind of, you know, it's a typical New York apartment.
	You got a bedroom and everything.
	It was just kind of one space.
	It's a little lofty-like.
	But...
	The balcony, it has a terrace across the whole length of the apartment.
	And that was part of the appeal.
	He's like, hey, you know, this would be good.
	And the picture is, it's almost as if you're overlooking Central Park.
	Now, I know that this is not, you know, this is more like Second Avenue, so you can't see Central Park from here.
	But it kind of looked like, I don't know, it's just you saw the balcony and you saw, you know, green on the horizon everywhere.
	So we get here.
	What?
	Oh, you mean you saw this was in the B&B advertising?
	Yeah, the Airbnb ad.
	Exactly.
	So we get in at night.
	You know, it's great.
	And I have to say, this guy is super nice.
	I don't think he's ever done an Airbnb.
	He had zero reviews, which I know is risky.
	But, you know, he's...
	A Muslim guy.
	So he's got a very interesting interior.
	He's got heavy wood.
	You know what these Arabs like, John.
	Israelis are the same thing.
	Heavy wood and different kinds of stylings.
	And a guy has a size 15 shoe.
	Huge shoes everywhere.
	It's interesting.
	Oh, not really.
	But the next morning, we're looking at a building across the street.
	There's no green.
	This is complete Photoshop fakery.
	Complete.
	Oh, interesting.
	And I'm going to have to post this picture.
	And I'm going to put up a review.
	I mean, the guy's nice.
	The apartment's great.
	Everything's fabulous.
	But it's a complete lie.
	I've never witnessed this with Airbnb.
	That they allow just a phony Photoshop fake photo in the ad.
	That's...
	I've not witnessed this yet.
	Anyway.
	Well, you just did.
	And now you're going to bust it.
	Yeah, well, you know, and I was thinking about this, that all these great ideas that crop up, and this really goes back to Napster.
	If anyone who's listening remembers Napster, it was the original sharing idea.
	And I loved it.
	It's like, you know, you had your...
	That was fantastic.
	You know, you had your MP3s, you could, you know, search for something, you could, you know, found a guy with a great MP3, go, hey, let's take a look at what's on his drive, and it was true sharing.
	Yes, and the thing that made it work, in fact, I will remind people, because I do this forever, During the Napster era, more CDs were actually sold than at any other time in history because people were on a discovery mode.
	You would go to, like, just as you described it, you'd want a song.
	I want to get this song, this song.
	So you go get, you look for the song, you find it on some guy's drive, and then you can download the song.
	But while you were there, you'd notice, you could look at his library and you'd say, this guy's got my taste.
	And there's bands I've never heard of.
	Let me take a sample of a couple of them.
	You discover new music.
	Yeah.
	But it was also just...
	It was cool.
	It was the first experience of mass...
	It was kind of a mass social network of just ad hoc sharing.
	No one owned the whole concept.
	There was no centralized...
	Well, actually, there was...
	I'm sorry.
	There were centralized servers for the search.
	That's not entirely true.
	But...
	For the search.
	So, fast forward to 2016.
	What do we have?
	We have...
	Bull crap!
	Bull crap!
	Well, they ruined it.
	No, no, I'm making a point here, because you can look at every single cool thing that we did with the internet, Silicon Valley, and government, ruined.
	So, we had Napster.
	Oh, it's gonna, oh, we can't have this, no one will make any more money.
	Sitch!
	It's stealing.
	It's stealing.
	And what is the end result?
	The artists, the songwriters, the composers are being stolen from by the very same people who came in to save them with Spotify and with all these streaming services.
	Stolen, ruined.
	Now, what else do we have?
	We have...
	Yeah, ruined.
	Well, Airbnb, of course.
	Original idea.
	Hey, man, you can use my house, you know, and it's okay, and we'll have a little system for you to discover houses, and of course, now you have to have inspections, licensing, you got to pay special taxes.
	Ruined.
	Then we have Uber.
	Hey man, this is your pet thief.
	Hey man, let's just share.
	I'm going this way.
	Share the ride.
	No, now we have data.
	We have regulations.
	Can't stop here.
	Insurance is ruined.
	Every cool idea, because of profit motive, I believe, really, gets ruined.
	Ruined!
	I don't even know if it's profit motive.
	I think it may actually be greed.
	Well, it's...
	The cities want their cut.
	The cities want their cut.
	I want my cut at this Airbnb.
	So if we get a hotel tax, we need to cut it.
	This is costing us money.
	Well, Tina was asking.
	She said, hey, you know, with the South By, maybe I should just rent my place out and I'll stay at yours for two weeks.
	I'm like, yeah, of course, that's fine.
	And she said, well, what does that take?
	I said...
	Well, get ready for inspections.
	You've got to have smoke detectors in every nook and cranny.
	You can't have a piece of the carpet sticking up, so someone might trip.
	It's become almost not worth it anymore to do this.
	Oh, there you have it.
	Anyway, I just wanted to point it out.
	It began with hitchhiking in the 60s.
	Yeah.
	Can I get a ride?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you get a ride.
	Now, then you get murdered.
	I mean, it was just...
	Well, I used to hitchhike in the Netherlands along the Amsteldyke.
	If I'd missed the bus coming home from school, I would have to walk, you know, an hour and a half or, you know, hitchhike.
	And I hitchhike pretty regularly because, you know, it was the 70s, late 70s, until one day, it really freaked me out.
	Some guy, you know, stopped, picked me up, we're driving along, and he's like...
	I'm sitting in the front.
	Hey, he's talking.
	Hey, do you do this a lot?
	I should have known right when he said that.
	Do you do this a lot?
	And then he's like rubbing his crotch.
	Oh, man, let me out.
	Let me out now.
	But I can take you.
	No, let me out now.
	Now!
	It scarred me.
	Scarred me for a long time.
	Taught me to hitchhike.
	So when you hitchhike, did you stick your thumb in the wrong direction?
	I guess.
	Must have been that.
	Okay.
	Anyway, I was here for the Newhouse School, which I believe is quite a famous and reputable broadcast school.
	Is it not...
	Well, I mean, Cy Newhouse is who he's named after, and that's a newspaper guy.
	What's he got to do with broadcasting?
	I don't know.
	Well, what is the Newhouse School?
	Is it communications?
	Is it broadcasting?
	I have no idea.
	It's probably another one of those schools.
	It's probably a well-established, somewhat, I think it's like the Cronkite School at Arizona State.
	This is one of these.
	Somebody threw a bunch of money out.
	They named it Newhouse and put a classroom up.
	I have no idea.
	All right.
	Well, you're disparaging him, but we don't know.
	No, I just disparage everything.
	Go on.
	One thing's for sure, one of the alum of the Newhouse School is Steve Leeds.
	He's the guy that originally hired me at MTV. He now works at Sirius.
	And he's one of these people who just knows everybody.
	So, you know, he's the one that also got Jarl Mohn, and I think that's why it was a well-attended session, who was the CEO of NPR. And there were guys, my old radio syndicators were there.
	There was one guy, Dave Dwyer.
	It's a very small auditorium, and I see this guy, and I'm like, I know this guy's face from somewhere.
	And I said, wait a minute, Dave?
	Dave Dwyer?
	He was an assistant director.
	Dave's not here!
	And he was later a director.
	And I said, well...
	What changed?
	He's wearing a collar.
	He's now Father Dave Dwyer.
	And he became a Catholic priest.
	And he does a show on Sirius called Broken Halo.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	That's a change of the lifestyle.
	Yeah.
	But you know what?
	He was always a really happy guy.
	He always lit up the control room when he came in.
	He was a nice, fun guy.
	It makes total sense that he went that direction.
	So there were just lots of people I remembered.
	It was from New York advertising business and stuff.
	It was cool.
	And this panel was about the future of radio.
	Yeah.
	Now, I know it was webcast.
	I know it was webcast live.
	I know some people were able to hear it.
	Apparently, no one recorded the live webcast.
	But to add insult to injury, the Newhouse School will be releasing this podcast in November.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's because it takes them that long to edit it.
	I don't know what it is.
	That's one of the most bizarre things.
	I thought it was bizarre, too.
	Yeah, it's kind of like one of those things you want to do.
	You want to be ahead of it.
	You just did the thing.
	You got it recorded.
	There's your recording.
	Just put it up on the net.
	What are you waiting a month for?
	Yeah, I really don't know what they were waiting for.
	So that's really too bad, because I would have loved to have played a couple of clips from this.
	Our rehearsal that we did on Thursday was fantastic.
	For a number of reasons.
	The first one being the moderator of the panel.
	And on this panel was the, I think, Chief Marketing Officer of Spotify.
	You had a rehearsal?
	You and I rehearsed on the show.
	We rehearsed what we were going to talk about.
	Oh, I thought our rehearsal.
	Yeah, our rehearsal.
	Okay, go.
	Also on the panel, I think Assistant Program Director of all of SiriusXM.
	Then there was the Executive Vice President of Programming from iHeartRadio.
	This woman had a chip on her shoulder.
	And there was...
	Oh, I'll tell you in a moment.
	And the final person was...
	Actually, I liked her a lot.
	She represented the PRX, the Public Radio Exchange, which I think is a pretty cool concept, really, where you can...
	If you have a show, you upload it, and then NPR or other public radio stations can purchase it there.
	So it's okay.
	I like what they're doing.
	And so this was about the future of the radio.
	And this guy, Sean Ross, who I guess is a well-known consultant, Edison Consulting, one of these radio consultancy guys.
	You know the kind, John.
	We've seen them running around.
	Yeah, I know the kind, but I never heard of Edison.
	Maybe it does ring a bell, but I don't know.
	Well, Sean had listened to the show.
	To no agenda?
	Yeah.
	And he said, well, I listened, he's starting off the panel, and I listened, and Adam, well, he thought in his show that, and this is how we kind of talk, that he was being invited as the troublemaker.
	That's what I said.
	No, I said troublemaker.
	You said, no, you're going to be the asshole, if you'll recall.
	Oh, okay.
	I thought it was the other way around.
	No.
	Okay, you're going to be the asshole.
	Yeah, I'm like, okay, this is a nice setup.
	So he goes down the line.
	He said, okay, how is everybody feeling on a scale of one to five about the future of radio?
	And everyone's like, oh, I'm optimistic.
	I'm at a four.
	Yeah, it's just great.
	Radio has a fabulous future.
	It's never been so fantastic.
	And there's a lady from iHeartRadio who's like, you know, we have great engagement, whatever that means.
	It's just great engagement.
	And I'm thinking, what do they have now?
	Six billion dollars in debt that they can't even service next month?
	I have no idea.
	It's bad, whatever it is.
	It's really, really bad.
	And they come to me like, well, I think radio's at a one.
	I think everyone here on this panel is lying.
	I think you're freaking out.
	I don't think you know what you're talking about.
	And that was the beginning.
	We set the scene.
	You did that?
	I did that, yeah.
	Right at the beginning?
	Well, he started...
	He asked, he went down the line and said, I don't think so.
	And it was really a lot of fun.
	Were you the last one?
	In the particular set, in that setup, yeah.
	Oh, perfect.
	Yeah.
	So...
	I was throwing out quotes, and people were tweeting my quotes.
	When I rolled out this concept of, well, we don't have listeners.
	We have producers, and let me tell you why.
	And I explained what the producers on our show do.
	There were people tweeting and writing stuff down.
	Wow!
	Wow!
	Wait a minute.
	Wait a minute.
	Your listeners, your consumers...
	Your consumers, they produce for you, and how do you pay them?
	To pay them?
	So this is what we call value for value.
	So not everyone can support us because we don't have advertising.
	They send us money.
	They send you money.
	Oh.
	Yeah, and guess what?
	That's what producers do.
	Yeah, we don't give them a tote bag or a coffee mug.
	We give them a credit.
	Oh, wow, okay.
	Just like in Hollywood.
	There were people tweeting, Curry says, produce this show, get a job through a credit from...
	It was great.
	I could not believe my luck.
	How people loved everything we were saying.
	So let's talk about competition.
	And they go down the line, well, I said, I don't know, we have no competition.
	Do we actually have no competition?
	I'm not competing for time or ad dollars or anything.
	We're not competing.
	We're competing against ourselves.
	We don't even have a comparable show.
	There's not a comparable show that does what we do.
	I think I at one point did say, you know, because we have the best podcast in the universe, we have no competition.
	Oh, man.
	That's a good one.
	Yeah, they must have been hating on me.
	Somebody rolled their eyes on that one.
	Yeah, a couple people.
	Especially the guy who did his due diligence and listened to the show once.
	Now I want to thank you for telling me, it was about creativity, because that was really the thing.
	What's the most creative thing you've ever done?
	Our producers do everything.
	I haven't touched a jingle.
	I don't think I've produced a jingle or a parody song in five years.
	It's not true, but generally speaking.
	Well, compared to the output we get from the producers and our creatives.
	Yes.
	You might as well say we've never done anything.
	Yes, our creatives.
	Exactly.
	Our creatives.
	Our creative team.
	Our creative team.
	Yes, our creative team.
	Exactly.
	Well, we do have a creative team.
	It's different than theirs, but it is one.
	Yeah, it was an extremely creative team.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so this continues.
	Now, I want to thank you for telling me, you know, to mention my box, my podcast box.
	Oh, yes, yes.
	Because at a certain point, you know, what are the problems and what's going on?
	I said, well, we've got a lot figured out in podcasting.
	We've come quite far.
	And I really set the whole thing up by saying, look, the internet broke a lot of things.
	You're in slow motion crash.
	Just like the music business, just like print, just like television, just like, well, like radio.
	So if you were in a distribution-based business, linear distribution, the competition is obvious, and your problem is legacy.
	You're hanging on to legacy stuff, and for some people, it's just not possible to change that.
	For others, it is.
	And I said, the biggest problem we have right now is sound quality.
	You cannot get the gear to make a podcast sound like NPR or even anywhere close because everything is geared towards musicians or you can't lug around 19-inch racks with everything.
	The gear is not there.
	Wow.
	Heads were bobbing up and down right after I was done.
	A guy from ESPN comes up to me.
	It's not like you owned the place.
	I did, John.
	I did.
	I owned it.
	Now, at the very end, a girl stands up and she says, you know, I got a problem with diversity in radio.
	She's black.
	And, you know, I do a live podcast every single morning.
	And, you know, I'm trying to break in.
	I'm trying to get into radio.
	But I've got a lot of people.
	I've got people listening and liking the show.
	And they are sending some donations.
	But...
	You know, I can't break in.
	There's no diversity.
	And then the iHeart lady, executive vice president of programming, also black, she's like, I hear you, sister.
	I'm like, oh, geez.
	That's right.
	You know, we have no diversity.
	People that look at us, there's only three of us in the room.
	It became a whole Black Lives Matter thing within seconds.
	And, you know, and there were only three black people in the room.
	The woman from iHeart, this girl, her name is TK. I've got to listen to her show.
	I'll post her the link in the show notes.
	She seemed very cool.
	And some other woman a little further in the back.
	And she's saying, well, there's no diversity.
	And the iHeart lady's going, you know, that's right.
	But you've got to work at it.
	You've got to show up.
	You've got to continue.
	I did it.
	I started as an intern.
	You know, glass ceiling.
	And I said...
	And everyone's starting to applaud, John.
	The white people in the room.
	And I'm like, hold on a second!
	What exactly do you want?
	And, you know, when the white people are clapping for the Black Lives Matter and you interrupt that, whoa!
	They want...
	I said, what do you want?
	He said, well, I can't get...
	I said, you don't want to get into this.
	He said, the only thing you need to learn is how to ask people to send you money.
	Sounds like you're on a path.
	Why would you ruin it for yourself?
	Yeah, become a slave is what you should have dropped that line in there.
	Yeah, I need one of those Hillary earpieces for you to whisper all the good things into my ear.
	Fabulous, fabulous.
	So, actually, I went up to her later.
	She said, thank you so much.
	And I talked to her, and I think even I gave her an idea, and I said, this is how we do it.
	This is how we, and I gave the value for value.
	I said value for value.
	You went to a movie, our typical line.
	You went to a movie last night.
	Yeah, the pitch.
	You got two drinks, some popcorn, 90 minutes, two people, 50 bucks.
	You just listened to us for two and a half to three hours.
	What was it worth to you?
	And it turns out, I says, if you leave that open, some people give you 50, some people give you five, some people give you 500.
	It's amazing when you just ask people.
	Stunning silence.
	And luckily, that kind of, that shut down the whole Black Lives Matter thing, it was really uncomfortable.
	Moreover, just, you know, it had nothing to do with it, really.
	So, you know, you are on such a great path.
	Anyway, so I don't think, luckily I didn't throw out the be a slave thing, because I think people would have hated me.
	They kind of liked me after that.
	And so I'd been talking, and I was like, well, what is the only thing that radio has?
	Well, there's only really one thing radio has that you can't beat.
	You're hyper-local, and people want time, temperature, and traffic.
	And you can build everything around that, and you really can't do that with podcasting, because you can't get the scale in a local environment.
	There's a million reasons.
	No, it never happened.
	And instead, what I see...
	Until we get podcasting directly to the car.
	Right, right.
	Which is coming.
	Oh, it is coming.
	But I wanted to give them some glimmer of hope.
	And it was interesting, some journalist guy, I wrote his name down, he said, so what happens to radio with autonomous vehicles?
	I said, you know, thank you for bringing that up, because you pretty much just, your answer is in your question.
	When you have autonomous vehicles, there will be no need for time, temperature, and traffic.
	You'll be dead.
	Because the car will know when to pick you up.
	The car will know the traffic.
	The car will know how long it'll take.
	You won't need any of that information.
	That's when you're going to be really in trouble.
	Oh, yes, yes, yes.
	Okay, wow.
	Well, I think you could add one more layer to that.
	Which is what?
	Also, in an autonomous vehicle, there will be a radio you can listen to.
	But since it's an autonomous vehicle, you'll be watching television.
	Yeah, you're right.
	Just like the limos.
	If you own your own limo, you've got a television set in the limo.
	It's always preferred.
	So yeah, radio is totally toast.
	Yeah, toast.
	That's actually one of the few things I don't have on my list of negative effects of autonomous vehicles.
	I will now add it.
	Yeah, I think it's a good one to put in.
	So...
	Right after I'm done, now, Lee Masters, also known as Yarl Mon, the CEO of NPR, he's to do his keynote right after this panel.
	You know when you do a panel and it's like, okay, we got a 10-minute break and a million people run up to you and ask you questions and you don't want to talk to half of them because they smell bad, horrible breath.
	Especially radio people.
	How close are you to these people when you chat after the event?
	Well, it was small quarters, you know.
	But you know what I mean.
	When you're on a panel, there's always a couple people who come to you.
	Can I ask you something?
	Because I've had coffee.
	And they've been sitting there with their mouth closed listening to you.
	Coffee breath.
	Coffee breath just percolating around there.
	Blah!
	But, uh, Jarl, Lee Masters, comes up and he occupies my time for ten, for the full ten minutes.
	And mind you, this is the superstar of the game.
	Everybody wants to be up his ass, particularly people who are selling spots and sponsorships and, you know, all kinds of reasons for people to talk to him.
	He says, Adam, I gotta tell you something really funny.
	I said, alright, well, well.
	Now, I didn't ask, I didn't clear to use this on the show, but whatever.
	He said, so, I really like what you said about live.
	And just to give you an idea of how the organization works, he said, I really don't have any power over the local NPR stations.
	You know, he has some obvious financial power and stuff.
	He said, but I wanted to add the word live to our top of the hour newscast.
	So I wanted to be, you know, I'm Lakshmi Shang.
	Is that her name?
	He knew it.
	Lakshmi Shmang, isn't that the woman's name, the NPR newsreader?
	I have no idea.
	Yeah, it's like, I'm Lakshmi Shmang, NPR News.
	And he said, okay, I'd like everyone to do, I'm Lakshmi Shmang, NPR News, live from Washington.
	And so, you know, he sent out this note and said, okay, I want this to be done at the...
	Which, by the way...
	I think it's a good idea.
	Of course it's a good idea.
	Particularly in light of the live and the immediacy.
	So he said, okay, make this so at the top of the hour and I'd like all the local stations to also do it.
	So he sends out the memo, let's add the word live.
	So a week later, he says, well, how are we doing with that?
	Well, the head of news Yeah, we haven't started doing it yet.
	And he's like, why not?
	Well, we weren't sure about the emphasis because, you know, do we say it NPR News Live from Washington or do we say NPR News Live from Washington?
	So they had argued for a week about that.
	Was it live from Washington?
	Live from Washington.
	And I'm like, you mean like Howard Stern?
	WNBC! Why has this not surprised me in the least?
	Is it beautiful?
	And the stations would not do it.
	They said, no, no, no.
	We don't like this.
	We don't like how it sounds.
	They thought it was arrogant or...
	And he said it took me three and a half weeks until he finally said, I am the CEO of this organization.
	I say we're going to put the word live in.
	Three and a half weeks.
	No wonder they got problems.
	No wonder.
	I just thought it to be a fantastic example of everything that's wrong.
	With mainstream media, really, not just NPR. Mainstream media.
	I think it's a generality.
	You can talk about mainstream media.
	You can talk about, I think, a lot of companies.
	Yeah, that's what the culture is.
	You've got your corporate culture.
	Some new guy comes in with a good idea, in that case.
	But it's not what we do.
	I mean, of course, we do the same thing.
	At least I know I do.
	When people are always kvetching about, well, why don't you use guests?
	These are two guys.
	Why don't you get guests?
	And so I always have my spiel about how much I hate having guests because I've done the guest thing in different formats.
	And of course, I have a stock line.
	I say, you get a guest, the guy doesn't show up.
	He can't do it on Tuesday.
	He can't do this.
	He shows up and then he does show up and then he's a dud and you're stuck with him.
	A lot of things that are wrong.
	There's a million things that you have with guests.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, so he does his keynote, refers to me four times.
	Nice.
	Specifically, he says, I wrote this down, what Adam said, value for value.
	I'm like, huh, go figure.
	Wow.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's one.
	Yeah, no, it was several things.
	He referred to what I was saying.
	Did he mention a no agenda show?
	He didn't say no agenda show.
	No.
	But, check this out.
	And I haven't heard back from him.
	So, in this, you know, it was like, what do y'all listen to?
	I'm like, oh, jeez.
	You know, everyone's like, well, I love how we've done our Spotify playlist by, you know, turns out Metallica people listen.
	I don't know, just a million dumb things.
	All right, fine.
	I say, well, I really only listen to a few other shows.
	My partner does a financial podcast, DH Unplugged, and we both really like Congressional Dish.
	We've kind of been helping the host of this, Jennifer Briney, and learning the value-for-value model.
	And she's really, I said, actually, she would be perfect for NPR. He mentions her in his keynote.
	Although he called it legislative dish, but I corrected him.
	Legislative dish.
	So afterwards, there's a lunch just for the speakers, the panelists, the dean, and Lee and I, of course, and we're sitting there.
	And he says, what was that called again?
	I said, congressional dish.
	I said, don't worry, I'm going to send it to you.
	He said, yeah, I'd really like to.
	He said, she's great.
	Now, we've always told Jen if NPR calls, she's got to take the gig.
	So she's set up.
	Yeah, she just has to cut down on the cussing.
	Although she's had a, her editor now makes a cut.
	With a golf swing.
	Golf swing.
	Yeah, that's nice.
	Which is fine.
	But she should just eliminate it.
	Anyway, so I sent him the link, sent him everything.
	I don't know if he's going to do anything with it, but hopefully.
	Then one more thing.
	That show of hers is a perfect NPR show.
	Perfect for NPR. And she doesn't have to compromise what she does in the podcast.
	It could be the podcast.
	You don't have to compromise.
	She'd be great.
	Anyway, so then we're talking about...
	I didn't have the guts to talk about advertising during the panel.
	Like, hey, how's that advertising going on NPR? I mean, underwriting.
	Call it what you want.
	Oh, you didn't have the guests who used the word advertising to get a response?
	Well, it didn't come up, really, in that regard.
	But afterwards...
	It's timing.
	It's timing.
	You can't just throw it in.
	Yeah, because I was already a troublemaker.
	You've got to know when to shut up and be a douche.
	Like Tim Kaine.
	You've got to know when to shut up and not be a douche.
	And Lee says, so tell me about this value for value.
	I really like that.
	And so I'm explaining a bit.
	He, of course, understood, but he said, here's one of the things we really learned.
	Numerology.
	People like to send messages in their donation amounts.
	And sometimes it's, you know, it's a date that's important to them.
	Sometimes it's, you know, it's like ham radio.
	This sends $73.
	For a while we were getting $80.08.
	I didn't understand what it was.
	What is this?
	Oh, it's boob in Haxor.
	B-O-O-B, 8-0-0-8.
	He's like, really?
	I said, yeah.
	So people didn't, you know, we don't come up with this.
	And one guy gave us the boobs.
	Yeah, and I said 8-0-8-hundred-and-85.
	He said, wait a minute.
	So the drop-down with number amounts on our donation page is a bad idea.
	I said, yes!
	Now you're catching on.
	Now you're catching on.
	We got some we can teach them.
	So, of course, I finally say, so what are you doing?
	I love what you're trying to do.
	I'm a big supporter of public radio, and I love that you're trying to make it into, you know, just I understand the pain of trying to get him to use the word live for three and a half weeks.
	So, you know, what are you going to do?
	What are you going to save these guys?
	Because he doesn't have to do this.
	Lee is very wealthy.
	He doesn't have.
	He's been, you know, he's an art collector.
	He's on all kinds of boards.
	He's doing this purely because he wants to.
	I said, how are you really going to save these guys from themselves?
	He said, ah, well, I'm actually putting together a foundation.
	He's raising a billion dollars.
	500 million will be for NPR Central, and the other 500 million will be for the stations.
	He said, my legacy will be 30 years.
	They can continue.
	I said, but they already blew the last grant.
	He said, no, that's a misunderstanding.
	He said, that grant was 200 million.
	They've actually kept it around 250 million with investing, etc.
	I don't know exactly how those numbers work, but So really what he's doing is just, you know, they're going to save him by raising a billion dollars, and, you know, he's eventually going to get tired of this crap, and then NPR will just, you know, continue to be...
	It'll continue as NPR, still resisting live, and doing their own thing on somebody else's dime in a kind of like a grant.
	It's like being a...
	It's like being in the government.
	Yeah, it's a government job.
	Yeah, kind of is.
	What it sounds like.
	Kind of is.
	And I said, you know, that's probably all they can do.
	He's probably got the right idea.
	There's nothing else you can do.
	They're never going to commercialize most of their stuff.
	I mean, wait, wait, don't, you know, whatever that wait, wait, don't tell me.
	Yeah.
	Show and those kinds of things.
	They can't make money.
	No.
	No, not beyond going direct and podcast they can, but I don't see any other way for them.
	Yeah, but that's work.
	So anyway, bottom line.
	Those of you within the sound of my voice, you are listening to the true future of radio.
	Eh, I think so.
	I'm pretty sure.
	Pretty sure.
	Sounds like it to me.
	Anyway, I represented.
	I think we look good.
	We may have a few people listening.
	And we welcome them to the future of radio.
	Welcome.
	You're all welcome here.
	Good work.
	Did anything else happen?
	Did I miss anything?
	Yeah, well, there's the pussy controversy.
	Ah, Pussygate, yes.
	Pussygate is alive and well.
	I mean, there are things going on that just kind of stuns me, and I think it will be reflected by some of the clips.
	You know, we're on the border of World War III. Yeah.
	With the Russians.
	Do you really think it's that bad?
	Do you think we're really borderlining on that?
	We're trying to make it bad.
	I mean, listen to this a-hole.
	The only one, one clip I got is the general, the ISO of this one guy, the army chief of staff.
	Okay.
	We'll stop you!
	Sorry.
	Yeah, just play that.
	Alright.
	Now I have to rewind it.
	I'm sorry.
	I thought you had a tape there.
	Different reason.
	Here we go.
	We'll stop you and we will beat you harder than you've ever been beaten before.
	Yay!
	Was that the context of Russia?
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	This guy's an a-hole, and he is, I could, you could look him up.
	He's yelling all the time.
	He's like that guy that was at the Democratic National Convention, the Allen or whoever it was, the one general that was up there screaming.
	Really?
	Yelling and screaming.
	I mean, these guys, and this army group, and this guy in particular and some of his other cohorts, I always thought Petraeus was bad with all his, you know, crap all over him.
	Yeah.
	That's not necessary.
	You know, everything, the little things, they swept his, you know, kept the bathroom clean, a little chevron, and he's got it on him.
	This guy, when he, first thing he said, when he says, I will beat you, we'll beat you again, they were talking about having a quick war with Russia somehow.
	I don't know how that works.
	Meanwhile, as he says that, I'm thinking, geez, why are we still in Afghanistan after 15 years?
	Yeah.
	What happened in Iraq?
	What happened in Lebanon?
	Or Lebanon is not a part of the scheme yet.
	What happened?
	What's going on in Syria?
	Why don't we just beat them bad right now?
	I mean, these guys are full of crap, these guys.
	I have several data points for you.
	One is our own military contacts.
	And my line was, WTF is going on with this Russia BS situation.
	And what came back was, yeah, barking dogs don't bite.
	So it's kind of seen as, well, I wouldn't worry too much.
	However, I went to our trusted source.
	I looked around and found him on a recent episode of CNN's GPS with Fareed Zakaria, our man, Professor Steve Cohen.
	Professor Emeritus from John Hopkins, which we pretty much see as some kind of intelligence school.
	Yeah, nowadays.
	Yeah, nowadays.
	And I thought it's always good to listen to what he has to say, and he is as worried as you are, I think.
	Steve, what is Russia's game plan here?
	What does it gain from this really quite brutal strategy in Syria, which supports the Assad regime, but at an enormous cost, it seems to me, it is making itself target number one for jihadis all over the Sunni world?
	Well, Russia takes a somewhat broader view of what's happened, and so do I. We are in a new and much more dangerous Cold War with Russia, more dangerous than the preceding Cold War.
	We now have three Cold War fronts that could easily become hot war with Russia.
	Ukraine, the Baltic region, where NATO is still building up on Russia's borders, and now, of course, Syria.
	The importance of the deal, and let's be clear, it was negotiated by Lavrov and Kerry, but it was a deal, a negotiation between Obama and Putin, for essentially a military alliance in Syria, an American-Russian military alliance, would have been the first since World War II. That would have been what we used to call a detente, or cooperation breakthrough, in the new Cold War.
	It was killed.
	So one question we have to ask is who and why it was killed.
	But clearly it's death.
	And what's the answer to that?
	Well, I would just simply say the Russians did not kill it because Putin and the Russian political class wanted this arrangement with the United States very much.
	So the question is, where does that leave us?
	And I understand what Mr.
	Ignatius has just reported, these important discussions in the White House.
	But I would say that the first step forward is stop basing American national security policy on the vilification of Putin.
	Putin is the most essential national security partner the United States could have in the world today.
	Russia has legitimate interests.
	And we ought to do what we used to do during the past Cold War, talk about whether our national interest can be coordinated and turned into something that's cooperation.
	Alright, so he is worried about the Cold War turning hot.
	Josh Earnest, spokeshole at the White House, was asked, of course, and he's taking a very mellow view, like, the White House, we don't really want to do too much.
	No interest in escalating the violence in Syria.
	Specifically in response to the question about Russia's bellicose statements lately, were you basically saying you've got nothing to worry about?
	The U.S. won't be using any kind of military force in any form or fashion?
	Well, what I'm saying is that I'm not going to be in a position where I'm taking options off the table for the commander-in-chief.
	I think I've discussed in some detail, and the president's discussed in some detail, why military action against the Assad regime to try to address the situation in Aleppo is unlikely to accomplish the goals that many envision now in terms of reducing the violence there.
	And is much more likely to lead to a bunch of unintended consequences that are clearly not in our national interest.
	But I'm not going to take any options off the table.
	And I think what I'm articulating is a desire to de-escalate the situation inside of Syria, to de-escalate the conflict, to reduce the violence, and try to bring some much-needed humanitarian assistance to those who need it the most.
	Yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	So no fighting words out of the White House.
	No, it's the State Department that's the troublemakers here.
	Yeah.
	Because they've been co-opted by the Kagans.
	Exactly.
	And the Kagans went World War III because there's some, I have no idea why.
	By the way, so I was looking at the Daily Standard, which is this, I don't have any examples, I should have printed some out.
	That is the worst edited magazine, professional magazine, I have ever read in my life.
	Really?
	I mean, I'm talking about extremely bad editing.
	I'm not into heavy editing, but there's no editing and it's confusing to read their articles.
	It's like It's the damnedest thing.
	I'm going to exemplify that maybe in the next couple of shows.
	Just read a few things and you'll be fuddled.
	Who runs this?
	Who runs the Weekly Standard?
	This is run by a bunch of neocons.
	Bill Kristol.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	I got it.
	I got it.
	Fred Barnes.
	Yeah, the original guys.
	The original guys.
	Aren't these the PNAT guys?
	Yeah, the Project for a New American Century.
	Yeah, those guys.
	They're the assholes.
	Here, let's play this.
	This is a longer report.
	This is the RT's Syria report.
	So we have the Russian perspective, which is kind of oddly cynical.
	What Russia is sponsoring and doing is not counterterrorism.
	It is barbarism.
	In this case, I wouldn't rule out multilateral efforts outside of the UN to impose costs on Syria or Russia or others with regard to the situation inside of Syria.
	However, just a month ago, U.S.-Russia talks on the Syrian peace process seemed warm and friendly.
	RT's Caleb Mopan takes us through how the relations have changed.
	Remember when the United States and Russia were keen on sharing their friendship with the world?
	Where's the vodka?
	Pizza from the American delegation.
	This is from the Russians.
	laughter - Well, it's certainly not like that these days.
	Extremist groups will continue to exploit the vacuums that are there in Syria to expand their operations, which will include, no question, attacks against Russian interests, perhaps even Russian cities.
	And Russia will continue to Send troops home in body bags.
	So how did it get this bad?
	Well, there are key factors that are being left out as the hateful words and threats get louder.
	Firstly, the U.S. broke the ceasefire when it killed 60 Syrian Army soldiers who were on the front lines battling against ISIL. Yes, the coalition did hit people on Saturday.
	We did it.
	A terrible accident.
	Secondly, the United States promised to separate the terrorists of al-Nusra from the so-called moderate rebels that they were supporting.
	Yet months and months later, the U.S.-backed fighters are still fighting side by side the terrorists and extremists.
	And it was our challenge coming to the table agreeing in Geneva.
	Our challenge was to try as best we can to reach out to the moderate opposition and make clear to them that they needed to in order for this thing to work.
	It's like all the talk of peace has been forgotten.
	Yeah.
	It's as if.
	As if.
	It's as if.
	As if.
	We really want the entire Middle East to be dominated by a bunch of radicals.
	And rubble-ized.
	And rebelized.
	Both.
	Yeah.
	Most importantly.
	With death and destruction everywhere.
	I get the biggest kick out of...
	Well, we can play part two of this.
	Yeah, I want to hear it.
	I want to hear part two.
	The next shock group here is the fighting against the regional peer military powers.
	These are existential for us and our allies.
	The threat for this type of a fight is a nation-state with modern capabilities, aggressive behavior, and engaging in militarized competition.
	So who would you pick for that one?
	I think it would be Russia.
	I want to be clear to those who wish to do us harm.
	We'll stop you.
	Wait, who's this?
	Who's this?
	Who's this?
	This is the army, the chief of staff of the U.S. Army.
	To those who wish to do us harm.
	That's the guy, right.
	We'll stop you, and we'll beat you harder than you've ever been beaten before.
	But if you listen to the words of U.S. officials, it's as if somehow Russia...
	Russia is the one who's being aggressive.
	I don't think Moscow wants to risk a third world war, but look, the way I see it, Russia's vital interests are at stake in Syria.
	They do not want a terrorist government to take over in Damascus.
	What's incredible is that Washington, in order to accomplish that, putting somebody like al-Nusra, al-Qaeda, or its various clones into power is worth the third world war, risking the third world war we managed to avoid with the Soviet Union.
	In 2015, ISIL was getting more and more powerful, and Russia urged the people of the world to unite against them.
	After Moscow's bombing campaign, their previously vast territory has diminished.
	This has awakened previously dormant arguments.
	Well, let's remember, one of the things that people in Washington and Africa repeatedly attacked Russia for is they say, oh, you're not attacking Daesh, you're not attacking Islamic State, you're hitting the legitimate opposition.
	From Russia's point of view, and certainly from the Syrian government's point of view, they're all al-Qaeda, they're all terrorists, they all have the same ideology.
	Why should Daesh be singled out?
	So now, instead of pizza, war is very much on the menu.
	Well, there's one voice missing from this.
	And I have it.
	That is the voice of President Assad.
	Who?
	Yeah, we haven't heard from him for a while.
	Well, Danish Television did an interview with Assad, and one of our producers was kind enough.
	He sent me a whole bunch of clips.
	I selected a few.
	They're all short.
	They're all under a minute.
	And I think they're all pretty darn good to hear it from this guy.
	This guy who used to have Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie drive around with him for lunch, hanging out.
	She was in Vogue magazine.
	Everybody loved her.
	She was, woo!
	Remember her?
	Remember Assad's wife?
	She was a superstar in there.
	She's gorgeous.
	Gorgeous, superstar.
	Everyone loved her.
	Yeah, that all turned very, very quickly.
	So let's hear a few things.
	Unless you want to set something else up, I'd like to play a couple of these.
	No, no, I want to hear this.
	Okay.
	First question about the hospitals.
	And, you know, well, why did you bomb your own hospitals?
	When I look at the pictures, I see hospitals.
	I see the beds inside the hospitals.
	And it, to me, really looks like it is demolished.
	It has been targeted.
	So who is targeting the hospitals?
	I don't have the answer to which hospital are you talking about.
	Because we don't have any fact about it.
	We only have allegations.
	So answering allegations should be only through...
	But pictures is facts.
	Pictures cannot tell you the story, even videos.
	Everything could be manipulated these days.
	I wouldn't say that there are no such attacks on any building.
	But as a government, we don't have policy to destroy hospitals or schools or any such facility to the people for a simple reason.
	First of all, morally, The second reason, that if we do so, we are offering the militants the incubator, the social incubator that they've been looking for.
	It's going to be a gift.
	Something we wouldn't do, because it's against our interests.
	It's like shooting ourselves in the foot.
	Okay.
	So he says, why would we do that?
	Why would we give...
	makes no sense that we did that. - This was the same when they did the phony baloney gas thing, which has been reduced to facts, then it's been de-reduced to bull crap again.
	Why would you gas, it's like, oh, he's gassing his own people.
	- Yeah. - Why would you do that?
	These are the people that are going to be fighting for you.
	Exactly.
	And it was just played straight up.
	I have two clips that go back to back.
	I have more, so if you want to put these in now, these two clips?
	I just want to put these in because it kind of refers to the hospital clip.
	I want to start with, these are just two clips.
	From two different sources and two different things, and I just thought as back-to-backs they worked out well.
	The pre-clip carry is the beginning.
	Okay, here we go.
	Russia and the regime owe the world more than an explanation about why they keep hitting hospitals and medical facilities and children and women.
	These are acts that beg for an appropriate investigation of war crimes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	If you think that's a war crime, play this drone strike clip.
	Oh, geez.
	Okay.
	I wonder if this is about a war crime.
	The United Nations is calling for an independent investigation into a U.S. drone strike in Afghanistan in September, which the U.N. says killed at least 15 civilians and wounded 13 more.
	U.S. officials say the strike was targeting ISIS militants, but the U.N. assistance mission in Afghanistan says it killed a teacher, students, and members of a family that supports the U.S.-backed Afghan government.
	Yeah, John, see, that's not a war crime.
	That's calculus.
	You know what apparently happened?
	I guess the UN guy was near this hit.
	We're just blowing stuff up randomly.
	I mean, it's like killing this or shooting it down.
	I think it was only 40-something Syrian armies.
	We're not even supposed to be in Syria.
	Why are we doing flying around Syria in the first place?
	There's your question.
	Okay, let's talk about this.
	So Kerry's going to talk about war crimes.
	I think maybe we should talk a little bit about some of these drone strikes.
	These are war crimes.
	Well, of course they are.
	What do you want to talk about?
	They're war crimes.
	I thought I'd just mention it.
	They're supposed to be surgical strikes.
	That's not working out too well.
	So who do you have here?
	We've got the players.
	U.S., Russia, and another group.
	The United States, they stopped all bilateral talks with Russia about any kind of peace agreement.
	And the Russians, they said that they actually regret this.
	Do you regret it as well?
	We regret it, but we knew in advance that it wouldn't work because the agreement is not only about the talk between the two.
	Great powers.
	It's not about what they're going to sign or agree upon.
	It's about the will.
	And we already knew, we had already known that the Americans didn't have the will to reach any agreement because the main part of that agreement is to attack al-Nusrah, which is according to the American list and to the United Nations list, It's a terrorist group, but in the Syrian conflict, it's American card.
	Without Al-Nusra, the American cannot have any real, let's say, concrete and defective card in the Syrian arena.
	That's why we regret it, but we already knew that.
	It wouldn't happen.
	But isn't it very difficult for the United States to separate the so-called moderate rebels and some of the radical rebels?
	Isn't it very difficult when you are attacking the moderate rebels all the time?
	You are right.
	Do you know why you are right?
	Do you know the unicorn animal that like horse has a long horn?
	It's myth.
	The moderate opposition is myth.
	That's why you cannot separate something that doesn't exist from something that exists.
	All of them have the same grassroots.
	The same grassroots used to be or used to be called Free Syrian Army four years ago, five years ago.
	Then it became Al-Nusra.
	Then it became ISIS. So the same grassroots move from a group to another group.
	That's why they cannot separate it.
	And they don't want.
	If this is reality, not a myth, they don't want.
	But they cannot.
	But why did you ask them to do it if it's not possible?
	Because they insisted that there is a moderate opposition.
	And the Russians told them, okay, if there is a moderate opposition, please separate those moderates from the extremists.
	And they didn't work because they don't exist.
	That's why.
	So there you go.
	In a nutshell, the problem is the idea of moderate rebels is a unicorn.
	You cannot separate them out.
	The Russians said, hey, okay, U.S., why don't you separate them out?
	And we failed.
	Because you couldn't.
	Yeah, I think that's a very accurate assessment.
	Yeah, so we're screwed.
	We got this thing.
	Well, I don't think we're screwed.
	I think we are supporting the radicals.
	There's the thought that we had on this show numerous times that ISIS was a creation of the Israeli folks by the Israelis and our intelligence groups.
	We want...
	The Middle East to be rebelized and run by terrorists, and we're supporting all of them.
	I mean, we tried to do that.
	The thing was, I think, when the Muslim Brotherhood guy won in Egypt, I think that was part of our scheme.
	We were hoping that it didn't work out, and the military took it over again.
	But, you know, we didn't say much about these events because...
	I think we wanted the Muslim Brotherhood.
	I mean, Uma Abedin is very closely connected to the Muslim Brotherhood.
	The White House has got nothing but Muslim Brotherhood people in and out of it.
	I think that there were huge supporters of this group.
	Well, a couple more clips here.
	You liking these clips?
	I thought they were pretty darn good.
	Yeah, I liked it because I didn't hear them.
	Here we have the difference between the American coalition and the Russians.
	First of all, the intervention in Syria as part of the international coalition, which is actually an American coalition.
	This is, again, the international law.
	This is, again, the sovereignty of Syria, because it's not in coordination with the Syrian government.
	While the Russians came to Syria after taking the permission of the Syrian...
	Having invitation from the Syrian government to support us in our fight against the terror.
	So this is against the sovereignty, this is against international law, and this is against any moralized policy anywhere in the world.
	It's illegal.
	The other aspect of that policy is the embargo.
	As part of the European Union, they made embargo on the Syrian population.
	Tens of millions of Syrians are not allowed to reach the basic need of their life.
	For example, they cannot buy, now, pumps for the water.
	They cannot buy medical equipment to diagnose somebody who has a cancer, who will die because they cannot afford this.
	The embargo prevents the Syrian airlines companies from having spare parts for the airplanes in order to prevent those airplanes from crashing in the air and killing the passengers.
	This is the policy of the European Union and Denmark is part of that policy.
	So he slams Denmark there, of course, because Denmark is a part of that policy.
	And we don't really ever hear much about the sanctions that are put on Syria.
	That, of course, in and of itself is an act of war, I feel.
	It sounds like we've got some pretty stringent...
	Regulations in place.
	And as Assad points out, look, we invited the Russians to come here and help us.
	The coalition, which is just a U.S. coalition, they came here uninvited.
	It's truly they're breaking international law.
	And that came up again here in this short clip.
	The question would you as a Danish citizen accept me as a foreigner to support opposition in your country with money and to tell them go and kill and that's how you achieve your politics goal if there is opposition.
	What the definition of opposition?
	Could you accept opposition in your country that belongs to other countries or should be Danish opposition belong to the Danish people?
	They cannot tell which opposition to support in other countries.
	This is intervention in internal matters.
	This is again the sovereignty, again the international law.
	They don't have the right to support anyone in Syria against anyone.
	It's not their business.
	We are a sovereign country.
	We are independent.
	We have the right to tackle our problems.
	So they're not in a position to support anyone, whether right or wrong.
	That sounds fair enough to me.
	Well, what are you going to do about it?
	Well, two more.
	Of course, what everyone wants to do about it is they want Assad to step down.
	And it's my firm belief.
	And who do they want to step in?
	Well, first is my firm belief that this is still all about...
	I think he even mentions it in one of these clips, that this is about Qatar.
	Qatar wanted a pipeline all the way up to Turkey, and they assumed everyone would be all on board, and Syria said, no, I don't think so.
	We're not going to participate in that.
	We've got another pipeline coming from...
	Russia, Iran, Iraq, and we want to bring that into the port.
	Maybe you'll send it up to Turkey, but probably, you know, send it out through Greece or something, or Cyprus.
	That's what this is about.
	But if Assad steps down, then of course we can fix it all.
	We'll bring in a new government.
	So why don't you just step aside, sir?
	If it could speed up the negotiations for a peaceful future in Syria, if you left office, and maybe another one from the Syrian administration took over, Why wouldn't you do that then?
	To leave, you mean.
	That depends on the Syrian people.
	It's not my decision.
	And if you don't have the support of the Syrian people, you have to leave right away because without the support, you cannot achieve anything, you cannot produce anything.
	You're going to fail.
	So that's simply the reason.
	Especially during the war, you have to lead the ship to the shore.
	You don't run away because there's war.
	Unless the Syrian people wanted to leave.
	If I'm the problem, again, or the other point or other side of the story, if I'm the reason of the war, I would leave.
	But it's not about me.
	I'm just used as a nominal reason.
	It's much bigger than that.
	It's about Syria.
	It's about the government.
	It's about independence.
	It's about the war on the regional level.
	It's about the war between the great powers.
	Syria is just The headline, and the president is the main headline.
	So you don't think that you were one of the reasons for the war?
	No, not the reason for the war.
	Because if I'm reason, the war should have started in 2000, since I became president.
	Not 2011, when the money started pouring from Qatar, and when the United States took the decision that they want to topple governments and president because they don't suit them.
	says there.
	One.
	- Yes.
	- If it was really me, why didn't people start making trouble for 11 years since I was elected?
	And no.
	- Well, not only that, but he fails to mention that they were buddies with him.
	- Big time buddies.
	- Like you mentioned earlier.
	Joe Lee was there, Brad Pitt, everyone was hanging out with him.
	- Yeah, how quickly we forget.
	Never underestimate the long-term memory of the United States public, for sure.
	And he mentioned right there, no, it didn't start until Qatar, he says specifically, Qatar started flowing the money in, which of course led to the instability in the region, weapons, etc.
	Last clip.
	Mr.
	President, you have said many times that you will continue...
	The fight until you have recaptured the whole country.
	Is that still your approach to this crisis?
	No, it's not my approach.
	It's my mission according to the Constitution.
	It's the mission of the army according to the Constitution.
	It's the mission of the state institutions according to the Constitution.
	It's not an option.
	It's not a personal opinion.
	It's not my plan.
	My mission is to defend the civilians.
	My mission is to fight terrorists.
	My mission is to take control of every part of my country.
	You don't take part of your country as a state.
	You don't say, it's enough for me to have half the country or so.
	There you go.
	I'm not going to stop.
	This is not my strategy.
	This is what I'm here to do.
	I defend the Constitution and my country.
	We could learn a bit from that.
	Just a thought.
	Well, I think it's gone way beyond the pipeline.
	I think it's become a matter of national prestige and saving face, which is one of the reasons we're acting tough.
	Hmm.
	Hmm.
	Well...
	We could slide this into the elections, but looking at the time, why don't I thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C., where the C stands for Commander of the New Sound of Radio, Dvorak.
	Well, in the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	Also in the morning, all ships and sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	In the morning, everybody in the chat room.
	Record numbers once again in the chat room.
	Good to see everybody here.
	I'm sure they're all interested in Pussygate.
	And in the morning to our, well, all of our artists, but specifically in the morning to Sir Slough, he brought us the artwork for episode 866, Delay or Avoid.
	And this was the Friday Night Distraction, which also, man, we called that one.
	This was the artwork of Hurricane Matthew.
	Man, we called that the Friday Night Distraction.
	Good artwork.
	Thank you, Sir Slough.
	Noagendaartgenerator.com is where you can upload your artwork.
	I also talked about that a lot as we rehearsed.
	I said, creativity?
	I don't know.
	Every single show, we have at least 10 pieces of artwork to choose for album art for our program.
	And I think we're the only people who do that.
	And we are.
	And it's appreciated.
	Alright, well we got one associate executive producer, Tim Nonymous, who comes in every so often with $222.22 for some unknown reason.
	He's from an unknown place.
	And so he'll be made an executive producer.
	And that's that.
	What?
	That's it.
	That's all we got.
	That's all we have?
	Yeah.
	Oh, I'm looking at the list now.
	Holy crap.
	I don't think it's been this bad in...
	How did this happen?
	Are you sure something didn't mess up with the spreadsheet?
	No, I don't think anything did.
	Damn.
	There may be a...
	This is horrible, John.
	This is like...
	I haven't seen this level since 2011.
	Yeah, it's...
	I believe that there is a...
	The spreadsheet is wrong.
	Yeah, let me tell you something.
	I'll tell you why.
	And I think it's wrong by...
	Not by a ton...
	But it's wrong.
	There's no doubt about it.
	I'm going to have to talk to Eric and get this thing straightened out.
	Okay.
	Well, hey, for all you guys listening, as I was pontificating about us being the future of radio, whoa!
	Our vow of poverty comes true.
	Oh, God.
	All right.
	That's it.
	Okay.
	Well, all right, everybody.
	Thank you.
	We're working real hard for you.
	We have another show coming up on Thursday.
	We'd love for you to participate and help us out.
	And of course, no matter where you are, I'm going to do it here in New York City.
	Propagate the formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Shut up, slave.
	I just want to play a couple of clips about the hurricane.
	Yeah?
	Well, you know, Horowitz was following this closely, and you were, you know, talking about he strapped his boat down, and then I hear on Democracy Now!
	In fact, we should probably just get a little intro here.
	I want to, there's Democracy Now!
	I've got the one that they talk about climate change.
	I just think it's too funny to listen to.
	Regarding Matthew?
	Yeah.
	A million people in Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina are under evacuation orders to discuss how the role of climate change has been largely ignored in media coverage of Hurricane Matthew.
	We're joined now in our New York studio by May Bovee, executive director of 350 Action, the political arm of the climate organization 350.org.
	May, it's great to have you with us.
	We so often see the words extreme weather and severe weather flashing in the lower thirds of the TV screens.
	Where are the words climate change and global warming?
	You're exactly right, and Hurricane Matthew is unfortunately just the latest example of a trend where the impacts of climate change get more serious.
	Politicians continue to have a break and say not nearly enough about it.
	We have unequivocal reason to know that these kinds of storms are made worse by climate change.
	Oh, man.
	And it fits in so perfectly with the quick ratification of Paris, the IPCC, by the UN, EU, and President Obama's own appeal to delay or avoid...
	Destruction of the planet.
	But the computer models were off.
	That was the main thing.
	Yeah, it was destructive, but every prediction they had was off because they're using computer models.
	The same type of calculations are used for climate change in general.
	Computer models.
	You pointed this out ad nauseum on Thursday.
	Yeah, computer models are no good.
	People should not rely on them for this sort of thing.
	The weather's never been modeled correctly, let alone the climate.
	Now, listening to her complain about it, we haven't had a good hurricane hit Florida for like 10 years.
	And then to listen to them bitch about this, not being reported as horrors of climate change, And that's McKibben's group again, by the way.
	Uh-huh.
	McKibben!
	350.
	Yeah, 350, guys, who's just a tub thumper.
	And Amy, you know, she's all signed in on this.
	We have to remember this, like, the big deal that took place in the last, say, the last year and a half or two years was getting China on board with this climate chain.
	And China is on board starting in 2030.
	Yep.
	And they're going to base all whatever they do, their cutbacks on, on how bad it's gotten by 2030.
	And this is a huge breakthrough for everybody in this climate game.
	It's unbelievable, and they were so proud of themselves for doing this.
	This entire thing is tedious.
	It's tedious, and it's hard to combat it because that's all they talk about.
	Everybody's all signed in on it.
	I find it to be ludicrous.
	And by the way, Horowitz, you know, you say, well, I maybe should do more than just tie his boat down.
	There's supposed to be a nine-foot storm surge coming into Fort Lauderdale, which had lifted his boat up and into his house.
	Right under his tiki hut.
	Nothing happened.
	Fort Lauderdale is where this thing took place and slammed into Florida.
	And he's got pictures.
	He posted, here's the beach right now.
	And he was disappointed because there was nothing going on.
	Yeah.
	Well, probably because of the pure hype.
	And it's interesting that, remember, didn't I have a clip at the end of the show?
	Yes, I did.
	Hold on a second.
	About the hype.
	Yeah, right.
	The clip where the guys hinted.
	It won't be.
	It's not like those other ones that were overhyped.
	Yeah, yeah.
	This is real.
	It's real, man.
	This is real.
	Let me see if I can find that clip real quick.
	Yeah, here it is.
	No, I'm not saying nothing happened because you can isolate.
	There's a lot of isolated spots where all kinds of bouncing time.
	Oh, no.
	Tons of.
	But it was.
	Lauderdale didn't get hit.
	I mean, and it's supposed to hit it directly.
	Here it is.
	I mean, there's something fishy about this.
	Oh, here it is.
	I'm sorry.
	Go on.
	Here it is.
	If you live in Florida, take care of neighbors, check on the elderly and your family.
	This is not a good scenario, Stuart.
	Category 4 for several days here along the coast.
	It's not.
	And it's not hype.
	It's real.
	It's real.
	It's not hype.
	It's real.
	It's not hype like the rest of them.
	Shep Smith over on Fox.
	He took the crown.
	I'm sure you saw at least one clip of him.
	Maybe you didn't.
	Oh, Shep Smith, the resident gay guy at Fox, who was very concerned himself, mainly because he had a family wedding to go to and he did not want to be on the air the whole night with dead people.
	This storm will kill you.
	It will kill your children, it will kill your pets, and everyone you know who wants to mess with it.
	This is a house.
	Mm-hmm.
	See that?
	We can't play the audio because there's a wordy dirt in there.
	Somebody said a dirty word.
	We have round-the-clock Team Fox Smotheridge for the rest of your life.
	He says wordy dirt.
	A wordy dirt.
	Yeah.
	A wordy dirt is a dirty word.
	Don't you know that, John?
	In Fox News, Milan.
	Team Fox smotherage for the rest of your life on this thing.
	We'll be live all night long tonight.
	I won't be.
	Because I'm going to a family wedding.
	And Matthew is expected to be stronger and last longer than Katrina.
	You see what I'm saying?
	This moves 20 miles to the west and you and everyone you know are dead.
	All of you.
	Because you can't survive it.
	It's not possible.
	And your kids die too.
	Do it now.
	Or risk death on a freeway in a traffic jam from hell later.
	Don't let your children die in your house.
	Not nearly as mad as they'll be at you if they're dead.
	Look at this fool.
	But not everybody's listening.
	Because freedom and stuff.
	Freedom.
	And that will be very bad.
	I want to get to Dolores Berhalter.
	She's dumb.
	I'll ask her why she's staying.
	And if she expects us to cover her funeral.
	I will, honey.
	Thanks for your concern.
	Bye.
	Bye.
	Mean.
	Very mean.
	Alright, go put some water in the tub or something.
	Wash your hair.
	This is silly.
	Because if too many of you perish, they'll send me down there.
	And I need to go to this wedding.
	You will die.
	Fire this guy.
	He's over the top.
	He's lost it.
	You will die.
	Your kids will die.
	Your pets will die.
	Horowitz didn't evacuate.
	He's in Fort Lauderdale on the coast.
	And he took pictures.
	He blogged a little bit.
	I don't know if he still has power.
	That's a problem.
	Those power lines get whacked.
	But I think this thing was exaggerated.
	Yeah, well, certainly the path was exaggerated.
	I mean, they definitely found some places that got flooded, and Jacksonville, because this thing kind of went up the coast and then slammed into the northern part of the state, and then I guess into Georgia, eventually.
	And I just think...
	I mean, they were just...
	They found all the good spots.
	They found some trees that fell over.
	Like, that never happens.
	That happens when there's just a rainstorm around here.
	I don't know.
	I just found the whole thing to be...
	I'm sure there's a couple people that got, you know...
	But I think there's only three or four dead in the totals.
	Yeah, on a...
	Should be hundreds, by the way it sounded.
	Well, we did have over hundreds in Haiti.
	Haiti, of course, already...
	Haiti got hammered.
	Somebody sent me a note, and I just don't know.
	I said, wait a minute.
	I said, he's right.
	How come we always have this, you know, we created Haiti as this hellhole on Earth, which reminds me of what Pat Robertson said once, years ago, that it was some signature deal with the devil.
	But I think they've We've created this hell on earth, because it does collect a lot of money.
	I mean, the Clinton Foundation, George Bush got in on this action during the earthquake, and then money never got to Haiti.
	The Clintons have always run Haiti.
	They've been running Haiti since the 90s.
	Yeah, well, it's the devil.
	And so they have all this activity in Haiti.
	Haiti is only one-third of the island, and nobody ever discusses anything in the Dominican Republic.
	And they didn't have any devastation from that devastating earthquake either.
	I always found that to be very interesting.
	Yeah.
	What's the Dominican Republic got that's going on with them?
	Did the hurricane hit them?
	Yeah, I'm sure it did, but what's the difference?
	Well, they're not living in tents.
	In the Dominican Republic.
	The Haitians are living in tents still.
	That's the problem.
	They're living in rubble already.
	Rubble.
	Here's the Haitian ambassador to the U.S. I thought this was telling.
	...in some cases show an interest in providing support to the country of Haiti.
	But I want to emphasize, unlike the earthquake, we want to be certain that there's not another disaster in terms of the way we manage the type of relief that's coming to Haiti.
	It may have been hard to understand, but he says, hey, you know, just like the earthquake, we don't want another disaster with how the help is brought in.
	Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, please don't help us anymore, Hillary, Bill.
	Please don't help us.
	We're okay.
	We'd rather live in rubble than have you come in and help us.
	I find it very peculiar.
	Well, you know, so of course my conspiratorial mind was saying, well, yes, this could just be a bad computer model, or, you know, it was so interesting how the previous election cycle we had, when the Republicans were going to have their convention, huge storm, Florida, if you recall, all of a sudden.
	Wasn't that Sandy?
	Yeah.
	Was it Sandy?
	Yeah, it could be.
	I think it was Sandy.
	So you could also say, well, maybe they, you know, modified the weather, had this thing crank up because they knew not only was FBI about to release a whole bunch of emails again on a Friday for a three-day weekend, but, you know, there's some WikiLeaks stuff coming out.
	Maybe we should have a big distraction, the Friday night distraction, and we'll steer it off the coast.
	We won't kill too many people, just a soul or two.
	Maybe I'm just crazy with my conspiracy theory.
	But there is a very good Disney presentation that's floating around.
	People have linked it here and there on YouTube.
	It's a movie that was made in 1952 discussing weather science and weather manipulation by Disney.
	It's very interesting to watch.
	It's about a half an hour.
	Oh, I'll have to find that.
	Oh, very cool.
	Yeah, find that and put it in the show notes for the next show.
	So instead, what happened as these WikiLeaks came out, this is the number one email guy found in WikiLeaks with Clinton is John Podesta.
	Not the number one, but one of the number one.
	And so they had these...
	These transcripts, so-called transcripts, of some of her Wall Street speeches.
	And as Fox was discussing this, that's when Pussygate came in.
	The timing is just, you witness it right here in this very clip.
	Matthew, we're just getting...
	You know, these emails, so we're kind of going through them live, real time.
	Obviously, the audio came out late this afternoon, and a number of places went whole hog with it, and you could see why networks maybe are going to take that.
	It is kind of a hitch in the face when you listen to all of it.
	Well, the rhetoric is extreme, even for Trump, which is saying something.
	And you definitely know that that's exactly what Hillary Clinton is going to want to stress in the debate on Sunday.
	She's going to want to turn the debate to Donald Trump, exactly like Tim Kaine did.
	The question is whether Trump...
	Can turn it back like Mike Pence did.
	I think there is some ammunition for Trump in these transcripts.
	Two of them jump out at me.
	One is her call for North America with open borders.
	And for Donald Trump in particular, who has staked so much on the immigration issue, this is something he'll stress.
	The other is where she talks about sometimes you need to have a public position in addition to your private position.
	And that exactly, that goes to the heart of the untrustworthiness problem that Hillary Clinton has had throughout this campaign.
	So they had to...
	Everyone had to kind of pivot.
	So the timing of this 11-year-old audio was perfect, I'd say.
	Perfect.
	Well, I have actually, you don't hear this as much, but this is actually the best pussy clip.
	Ladies and gentlemen, hold on a second.
	Alert the affiliates.
	We've got the best pussy clip ever.
	You won't see me moving to no African jungle anytime soon, or some goddamn desert somewhere sitting on a carpet with a bunch of arabs?
	No, sir.
	And you won't see me stop eating no ribs either.
	Gotta have them ribs.
	And pussy, too.
	Don't Malcolm talk about no pussy?
	Now you know that ain't gonna work.
	You know, I have this clip, too, obviously.
	And I actually labeled it as weak.
	Because this is indeed viraling around.
	This is the weakest defense ever.
	What is this, Dvorak?
	This is dumb.
	This is weak.
	This is a weak clip.
	It's the best pussy clip.
	It's weak.
	Ah, jeez.
	Well, you want to play the...
	I have the PBS report.
	I actually have the PBS report.
	I didn't realize I have the PBS report on Haiti, too.
	But here's PBS on Trump.
	But first the twists and turns keep coming in the race for the White House just two days before Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton meet in their second presidential debate.
	John Yang reports.
	Late today, a new storm around Donald Trump.
	Hello.
	How are you?
	Hi.
	The Washington Post released a 2005 videotape in which Trump is heard talking in vulgar terms about trying and failing to seduce a woman.
	And when you're a star, they let you do it.
	You can do anything.
	Whatever you want.
	Grab them by the.
	I can do anything.
	It comes as Hillary Clinton has been blasting Trump for his treatment of women, and Trump has been threatening to make an issue out of Bill Clinton's infidelities.
	Well, let me ask you a question.
	I have listened to that clip.
	I'm going to ask you the clip.
	I watched this, and of course we saw the news.
	Tina and I saw the news.
	We had to go online to actually hear all of it, which I'm sure everybody did.
	When I heard that clip for the first time, first of all, I saw Tina.
	She was just like...
	She physically...
	It's like, oh man.
	But I also felt like, jeez, what the heck is this?
	And it took us until the next morning, really, to realize that the truly despicable part of this is that this is how the election is being fought.
	And the timing of it, and believe me, this is not the end.
	There are right now three Jane Doe rape cases in three different states against Donald Trump.
	They are likely not real, but this is going to be reported as multiple rape cases in courts around the country.
	It's all Jane Doe, so you don't know who it is.
	There's going to be, I'm sure, more audio.
	There's plenty more that's going to come out in the next month.
	And that really, that made us sad.
	That really, this is where we're going now.
	And, of course, the knowledge that when you put an animal in a cage, you know, who knows what's going to happen now?
	Who knows?
	Yes, this will be interesting.
	I mean, first of all, the first thing I thought of, having been in the working class...
	Is that this sort of banter between men, especially, you know, like it could be cynical and say, gee, this guy's in the construction business and he talks like this.
	Yeah.
	It's...
	It's not even close to being, like, offensive.
	It's just the typical bullshit crap that guys say to each other to get a rise out of them.
	And that's what he did.
	Do you know which group of guys does this all the time?
	All, all the time?
	Well, I'd like to know which group of guys doesn't, but who are you thinking?
	Gay guys.
	Oh, yeah.
	All day long.
	Oh, I'd bang that ass.
	Oh, boy.
	What I wouldn't do to...
	You know, just on and on and on.
	Continuously.
	Yeah.
	But this is like some...
	I guess...
	I don't know what the point of the whole thing is, but it really got everybody all worked up, especially these...
	Trump haters that are out there on the Twitters.
	And they're just going nuts.
	Now, the thing that got me, I thought I was aghast by this.
	This is Tim Kaine.
	And Tim Kaine makes a comment on the comments, and this is so disingenuous that it's offensive.
	Campaigning in Las Vegas, Democratic running mate Tim Kaine reacted to the tape.
	It's just, I mean, it makes me sick to my stomach.
	I don't like to even say the words that he's used in the past when he calls women pigs, dogs, and sly.
	I should be surprised and shocked.
	I'm sad to say that I'm not.
	Makes him sick to his stomach to hear the word.
	Yeah.
	Considering how I feel about Tim Kaine, I can see it's possible.
	But the one that surprised me, for a number of reasons, was Robert De Niro.
	He's so blatantly stupid.
	He's a punk.
	He's a dog.
	He's a pig.
	He's a con.
	A bullshit artist.
	A mutt who doesn't know what he's talking about.
	Doesn't do his homework.
	Doesn't care.
	Thinks he's gaming society.
	Doesn't pay his taxes.
	He's an idiot.
	Colin Powell said it best.
	He's a national disaster.
	He's an embarrassment to this country.
	It makes me so angry that this country has gotten to this point.
	That this fool, this bozo, has wound up where he has.
	He talks how he wants to punch people in the face.
	Well, I'd like to punch him in the face.
	This is somebody that we want for president?
	I don't think so.
	What I care about is the direction of this country.
	And what I'm very, very worried about is that it might go in the wrong direction with someone like Donald Trump.
	If you care about your future, vote for it.
	Two things about this clip.
	One, it was produced by anonymous content.
	And we know anonymous content.
	As one of the producers of Mr.
	Robot.
	And had a big anonymous content thing in the background.
	I don't have anything to say about it.
	Wow, it was just surprising to see anonymous content in this context.
	And the second part is, didn't Robert De Niro put a revolver in a woman's vagina in a movie?
	I don't know what movie that was.
	Taxi Driver.
	I don't remember him doing that in that movie.
	But, yeah.
	I mean, he's like an example of what he's...
	I mean, Hollywood guys...
	I mean, this is like...
	I don't want to throw the...
	Kind of generalize too much, but...
	It's like the rappers who...
	This was not my argument.
	But the rappers who...
	Especially this took place years ago, that were condemning society and telling people to steal, shoot, and kill in their songs, and then bitching about their music being ripped off on MP3s.
	That's the NWA, I think.
	I know.
	Exactly.
	But what's interesting about this tactic that has been taken is, you know, guys, certainly straight old white guys, you really can't say anything in any argument.
	What are you going to say?
	You can't defend.
	You can't really defend this.
	I mean, the defense of, well, yeah, I talk like that.
	Girls talk like that.
	Everyone talks like that.
	So to me, again, it's just the nastiness of this election coming down to this done by the Clintons.
	First blood, I think.
	Well, they've done a good job.
	I pointed this out in the newsletter.
	I said, these guys are just kicking the butts of the Trump campaign.
	Yes.
	They're much more...
	Big time.
	They've got more talent.
	They know what they're doing.
	Now, the public is working.
	And this...
	Let me see.
	How many do I have of these?
	One, two, three, four...
	I have four different mainstream media clips, all different networks, of the following happening.
	We'll start with, let's see.
	Oh, this was actually with Bill himself.
	Let me just get the right one here.
	Here, this is Milwaukee, Bill Clinton himself speaking.
	Hello!
	Now listen carefully in the foreground.
	That's what we're all about.
	After we have a colony to watch for everybody, after we make sure everybody gets a chance to participate, after we help families succeed in the most important job of society, raising children and succeed at work.
	How can we live together with all of our diversity and so we get all of our lives together?
	I don't know if you can hear that very well, but there's a woman walking in front of the camera with a sign, and she's saying, Bill Clinton is a rapist.
	Bill Clinton is a rapist.
	CNN. In Elkhorn, Wisconsin, today is where Trump was supposed to be.
	He was supposed to appear on stage with House Speaker Paul Ryan in a show of force and unity.
	Well, that didn't happen.
	Then Mike Pence was supposed to be there in his place alongside Ryan, and we've just learned that he's no longer attending.
	Jason Carroll is with me.
	Jason Carroll joins me now from New York, from Elkhorn, Wisconsin, I should say.
	Jason, Pence just about two hours ago pulling out and saying he won't be there either.
	What are you hearing as we await Paul Ryan?
	It works better when you see the cute young girl jumping up and down with Bill Clinton as a rapist sign and her t-shirt, Bill Clinton's face with big rape on it.
	And she's telling Bill Clinton as a rapist.
	MSNBC! Or maybe he didn't perform very well in some of his business endeavors.
	But I think one of the things that...
	We really need to be looking at in this debate is that Bill Clinton is a rapist.
	Bill Clinton's a rapist.
	Bill Clinton is a rapist.
	He knew that he had a minute.
	That's how he wanted to use his time.
	We hear some clapping going around over here.
	That's the best troll.
	Hey, what's really important is that Bill Clinton is a rapist.
	Finally, Fox and Friends.
	I've been waiting for this segment all morning long.
	We are rolling out the red carpet, not for Tucker, but for some adorable, adoptable dogs.
	Every year, the Best Friends Animal Society helps cats and dogs who are stuck in animal shelters.
	Bill Clinton is a rapist.
	Bill Clinton is a rapist.
	We've got a very excitable young man behind us, not a Bill Clinton fan.
	He's a little bit upset, but that's okay.
	Everything is fine on Fox and Friends because we are surrounded by dogs.
	And if there's anything that calms the human heart, it's a canine.
	That's the whole point of the segment, actually.
	So that's now a thing.
	Bill Clinton is a rapist.
	Well, this started with the seed guy.
	It's a convention, I think, where he came up to the young Turk Cenk.
	I'm convinced this is all Roger Stone with help from Alex Jones and everybody else that he's involved with.
	Oh yeah, this is obviously...
	I think it's just Roger Stone.
	He had that T-shirt.
	He was holding up the Bill Clinton face with rape under a T-shirt at the Republican convention.
	The Democrat convention.
	When that fracas occurred.
	Yeah, I think that's what the Democratic convention...
	Okay, yeah.
	Well, anyway, when that occurred, and, you know, the big fight between Chunk and Jones and Roger Stone was running around.
	So they were set up on...
	I mean, they clearly were planning this, and this is now...
	Because they already had the shirts made and everything.
	Oh, yeah.
	The shirt's a dead giveaway, always.
	But there was a very interesting thing that happened.
	I didn't mention it on the previous show, although I did have the clip, Hillary Clinton did a town hall, and she had this 15-year-old girl, which, by the way, she had a red bow in her hair, this 15-year-old girl.
	And Tina was looking at the video.
	She says, there's no girl in the universe that puts a red bow in her hair when you're 15 because you will be beaten up at school.
	You have to see the bow to understand it.
	She said, it's obvious this girl is doing this to look younger.
	So she stands up.
	She's the first one that stands up.
	And we know how these things work.
	These town halls, they're scripted.
	They're scripted.
	The questions are given.
	Everyone knows what the questions are.
	It's all going to be okay, especially if it's videotaped.
	And so she gets the microphone.
	She reads her question.
	And I immediately went, who is this girl?
	Her name is Brianna.
	And it turns out she's the daughter of, I think, a Democratic congressman.
	So shades of setups that we've seen before, not just with the Clintons, but we've seen these types of PR-type kids whose parents are in PR firms.
	This was the infamous Hill and Knowlton kid talking about the Revolutionary Guard coming in and throwing the babies out of the incubators.
	Throwing the babies on the floor.
	Yeah, throwing the babies on the floor from the incubators.
	So I was like, eh, okay, well, duh.
	Even for our show, it's like, we know this stuff happens.
	It wasn't all that important.
	But then I was watching Schmerkonish, that's the media deconstructionist on CNN, and not only did he set it up properly, he played a little clip, which is what I would have done exactly, but then he has this girl and her dad on the show.
	And this is after the grab him by the pussy quote.
	So he's bringing, of course, I mean, we're going to talk about these horrible things.
	Why not bring a 15-year-old on the air?
	That sounds fair.
	And I just wanted to share her response.
	Because, you know, the main conspiracy theory is that apparently she has an IMDB page and she's acted in some movie.
	So, you know...
	Like, no agenda thinking.
	What would we say, John?
	We say set up, right?
	Yeah, obviously.
	All right, well, of course.
	Let's listen to his set up and then this girl come on.
	Was it an amazing campaign moment or merely planned stagecraft?
	At a Hillary Clinton event in suburban Philadelphia, a teenage girl in the audience asked the perfect question to highlight Donald Trump's mistreatment of women.
	Watch.
	Hi, Madam Secretary.
	I'm Brennan, and I'm 15 years old.
	At my school, body image is a really big issue for girls my age.
	I see with my own eyes the damage Donald Trump does when he talks about women and how they look.
	As the first female president, how would you undo some of that damage and help girls understand that they are so much more than just what they look like?
	Oh, thank you!
	Woo!
	Thank you!
	Woo!
	So the exchange got picked up everywhere, including the New York Times, which identified the girl as the daughter of a Democratic Pennsylvania state representative.
	He's a state senator.
	And said that he had helped shape the question, but didn't name him or see a reason to further connect the dots.
	Well, as you can well imagine, plenty of media outlets took that fact and they ran with it.
	They accused the state senator, Dalen Leach, and his daughter, Brennan, of being paid plants.
	Something that the Clinton campaign has been accused of in the past.
	The outrage and backlash overwhelmed the original story and all but obliterated his actual content, part of the endless inside politics narratives that turned the whole process into a circus.
	But here's the thing.
	Everybody did this without ever asking the girl or her father.
	So I'm about to rectify that.
	Joining me now is Pennsylvania State Senator Dalen Leach and his 15-year-old daughter Brennan.
	Brennan, are you...
	Wait.
	So first of all, now they're on remote.
	And she is now next to her dad, and now she has a big white bow in her hair.
	Again, again, this is just not credible.
	And I want to point out, he says something very specific.
	He says that they were paid shills.
	And as you listen to this interview, they're going to decline, deny that they were paid shills.
	Which is probably true.
	I don't think they were paid.
	But were they shills?
	Yeah.
	Remember, the conspiracy theory.
	She's an actress.
	Brennan, are you an actress?
	Now, how do you think she'll sound when she answers this, John?
	I have no idea.
	You've had a 15-year-old daughter.
	We both have.
	They're now older.
	We still have them, but they're not 15.
	I don't know.
	Okay, you tell me if this sounds right to you.
	Brennan, Brennan, are you an actress?
	Yes.
	Look, if you consider a couple school plays and a video for my friend's mom acting, then yes, I love theater.
	I've been passionate about it since I was a little kid.
	But in no way was I approached by Hillary's campaign or asked to ask a question.
	She did not know I was going to ask a question.
	She didn't know what I was going to say at all.
	So, I mean, it was by chance.
	Unfortunately, I had never met Elizabeth Banks either.
	So, completely unrelated.
	And I've never been involved in both at the same time.
	Oh, man.
	Sounds like a 15-year-old to me, doesn't it?
	Rambling.
	What's Elizabeth Banks got to do with anything?
	Yeah, she's the one that gave her the microphone.
	Of course.
	She's like, I don't know who Elizabeth Banks...
	No one asked her.
	I don't know who Elizabeth Banks was, the one who gave her the microphone as first for the first question.
	She was sitting right next to her.
	I don't know who that is.
	And I love how she starts off with look.
	Come on, John.
	Yeah, I know the look was bad.
	Yeah.
	Did Dad write it for you?
	Did he prod you in any way?
	Not at all.
	I mean, this is an issue that's really important to me.
	Body image is something that's really relevant to girls my age, and when a public icon like Donald Trump is calling women fat and ugly pigs and judging them only based off of how they look, it really does affect us.
	So I wanted to write this question.
	I came up with it.
	Obviously, if you think you're going to speak in front of the future president, you have your parents look over it and help You edit it, and I practiced it a couple times, and I mean, he definitely helped me sort of compose myself and fix my wording, but other than that, it was my idea, and I came up with it on my own.
	Sounds like a 15-year-old Pokemon Go player to me.
	It sounds like an actress to me.
	Yes, thank you.
	That's my point.
	The cadence and everything, it's not right for a 15-year-old.
	Not just that, but she sounds like she's been hanging out with Hillary bots.
	She has the total cadence of what I hear amongst grown-up women.
	Now, she says something interesting here.
	She says, you know, with all this talk of Donald Trump, you know, about women are pigs.
	Well, Donald Trump said that a few times, and I think mainly about Rosie O'Donnell, but where did she really hear all this?
	She heard it on the news, of course.
	She heard it on the media.
	Yeah, she never heard it.
	It's the media.
	It's the media that's been telling her this.
	And so it is the media who is influencing her, the media who is creating body shaming issues, just like is this clip also from this past week.
	This may have been on Fox or CNN, I don't know, where they talk about the influence of the media when it comes to these types of issues.
	Yeah.
	Dana, your thoughts on whether that was an organic moment or staged?
	And if it was staged, do we care?
	It was completely staged.
	And if Hillary Clinton had any sense, this is Megan, her response would have been...
	I think your mom or women in your family can teach you to have enough self-esteem that you don't have to sit here and depend on what a presidential candidate says.
	It's incredibly ironic because when I was Brennan's age, when I was a 15-year-old girl, I was learning all about oral sex from Hillary Clinton's husband because that was all the headlines.
	So it's kind of ironic.
	Wow.
	Okay, you get a clip of the day for that.
	Thank you.
	Clip of the day.
	I mean, seriously, it's the truth!
	She's right.
	Yeah, I think she nailed it.
	Yeah.
	Totally beautiful.
	That's a good one.
	Oh, man.
	And I don't know if there's really much else I have to say about it.
	I do have one little thing that I think is kind of funny.
	That clip of the day worthy, but it's...
	Actually, you know, I kind of screwed up that clip of the day, now that I think about it.
	There was a kicker to it that I cut it off.
	Damn it.
	Well, you got a clip of the day anyway, so you're kicking yourself.
	You don't want to hear it, do you?
	No, I guess not.
	Is the kicker good?
	I think the kicker is good, yeah.
	Okay, we'll play it again.
	Play the end.
	Dana, your thoughts on whether that was an organic moment or staged?
	And if it was staged, do we care?
	It was completely staged.
	And if Hillary Clinton had any sense, this is Megan, her response would have been...
	I think your mom or women in your family can teach you to have enough self-esteem that you don't have to sit here and depend on what a presidential candidate says.
	It's incredibly ironic because when I was Brennan's age, when I was a 15-year-old girl, I was learning all about oral sex from Hillary Clinton's husband because that was all the headlines.
	So it's kind of ironic.
	Oh, crap.
	I was wrong.
	It's a different clip that had the kicker.
	Oh, boy.
	I have to give it to us.
	Here it is.
	That clip sucks!
	Yeah, you got it.
	You have lost the clip of the day award.
	I can't believe I lost it.
	This is the first time that's ever happened on the show.
	It's my own damn fault.
	And now, of course...
	Yeah, I thought you had something more than you did.
	I did.
	I had it, but then it was the wrong...
	I suck!
	You pulled a Trump.
	Okay.
	Now I've got to find that great clip.
	I don't know where it was.
	Oh, crap.
	Here we go.
	Now we get Democracy Now!
	And I've got a couple of...
	The clip is called The Scandal That Never Happened.
	I believe that before the pussy clip, Trump...
	I think they were trying to set Trump up with other scandals that never got any legs whatsoever, but Democracy Now!
	felt obliged to run the story.
	In news from the campaign trail, CNN has uncovered at least two more softcore pornographic videos that Donald Trump appeared in, in addition to the 2000 Playboy softcore porn video revealed last week.
	In the two newly discovered videos from 94 to 2001, Trump appears fully clothed, interviewing a potential Playboy model and photographing other clothed models.
	How is this a scandal?
	Donald Trump was clothed.
	Interviewing a clothed model!
	Okay.
	Yeah, good one.
	Very good one.
	Nice try, democracy now.
	The second part is another one of these bogus scandals.
	Meanwhile, Greenpeace has revealed Donald Trump has multiple financial ties to the $3.8 billion Dakota Access Pipeline, which has faced months of resistance from the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe in North Dakota and members of hundreds of other tribes from across U.S., Canada and Latin America.
	One of Trump's financial disclosure forms shows he has between $500,000 and $1 million invested in Energy Transfer Partners, the main company behind the Dakota Access Pipeline.
	Trump also has $50,000 to $100,000 invested in Phillips 66, which is slated to own 25 percent of the pipeline if it is completed.
	Jeez.
	$50,000, John?
	Oh, man.
	Hey.
	Is that much?
	I'm glad they're not busting their chops over me because I bought Phillips gas once.
	Oh, no.
	You're a horrible man.
	But I filled the tank.
	Oh, man.
	So these guys got no traction.
	No traction.
	No traction.
	Well, what do you think is going to happen tonight?
	What's going to take place?
	What do you think?
	We've got to think about this.
	Well, what everyone's hoping for, of course, is that Trump goes off the rails and just excoriates her and tries to, you know, the meme that's going around, which is the second, which I think is very interestingly orchestrated.
	I think that Clinton's done a wonderful job of this.
	Is the second round of, oh, he's got to quit the campaign.
	Right, right, right.
	The second round of this.
	Yeah, I know.
	The first round didn't get any traction.
	It was like, oh, yeah, sure, he's not going to do that, let's face it.
	So they did it again, hoping to get some traction.
	You know, it's almost ludicrous to see people retweeting it.
	The survey that showed that 43% of the voters think he should quit.
	Of course, it doesn't say that those 43 percent aren't Hillary supporters.
	And why should he quit?
	Why would anyone in the Hillary side, if they're accurate with what they're trying to accomplish, want him to quit?
	Wouldn't you want to run a guy against a guy who's getting weaker by the minute?
	No, I agree.
	That's what you think is going on, unless you're insincere.
	Yeah, even Saturday Night Live, when they parodied this whole thing, the fake Hillary Clinton went, no, no, no, he can't quit, please, please, he has to show up.
	Which makes sense, that's what you'd really want.
	Yeah, so what's the deal with this meme?
	I don't know.
	And I find it very, very screwy.
	But what's going to happen tonight?
	You know, I thought Trump would choke the last time.
	And I don't know that.
	And Hillary was, you know, so glib.
	Unless she, like, passes out.
	I think they have her.
	I think that would be, you know, that would be interesting to see her.
	But they're going to both be.
	I believe you watched them both be seated.
	They won't be standing at the podium, which I think was a huge risk.
	This is a town hall event.
	So this is different altogether.
	You have the staged questions.
	And I assume, if they're not staged, they could be rigged.
	They could be rigged for one side or the other.
	That's a possibility.
	They'll be seated, I believe, so Hillary doesn't have less chance of passing out.
	Or anything strange happening.
	Somebody brought up the point that because of whatever her ailment is, if she has an ailment, I'll put that disclaimer in there, they had to keep the audience quiet in the last debate.
	No applauding!
	Don't make sudden moves!
	Yes, no sudden moves, no flash photography.
	Yeah, anything that would trigger an event.
	Ooh.
	So I thought that was reasonable.
	And, you know, a reasonable explanation, because I've never seen this.
	Don't say anything!
	Kind of, you know, don't shh!
	So what's the point of having an audience if they're all going to sit there mum?
	I don't know if they're going to do the same thing.
	If they do it again, and they have this town hall with everybody remaining silent, I would be very suspicious.
	Yeah.
	But if...
	I don't know.
	I think they're going to...
	Somebody pointed this out, too.
	It's apparent that they have done a really good job of...
	And they believe this is the CIA. This is a conspiracy thing.
	The CIA has done a really good job of breaking down Trump's personality to the point where you can determine trigger points, things that will...
	him, things that will distract him, questions or answers or situations that will bother him.
	None of the Republican guys that ran against him in the primaries had this information.
	Good personality deconstruction would probably be useful to them.
	It would have been.
	Right, right, right.
	So Hillary's got that.
	And so she's going to use it.
	Trump, I do not believe, has...
	He wings it.
	I think he ad-libs it because he's been a salesman all his life.
	He figures he can deconstruct somebody and figure out their weak points based on his experience.
	So far, it hasn't worked.
	What would we advise him?
	I think he should just harp on a couple, find a couple of items that instead of generalizing and then getting sidetracked and talking about things that have nothing to do with anything, just ignore all that.
	I agree.
	Just ignore it.
	I agree.
	And so just start with, well, I'm going to ignore that for obvious reasons and then go after her on the open border thing that somebody suggests is fantastic.
	You can't have just no border at all.
	I mean, this is a part of the new world order.
	And I, you know, unfortunately, I don't think he's read in properly on the new world order.
	I think he's just, you know, they keep him in the dark.
	Well, I.
	He's got to focus on her weakness.
	First of all, about the sitting down thing.
	It would be very interesting if there were people trying to trigger an event in the audience.
	That would not surprise me.
	That would be something to do.
	I'm expecting dirty tricks at this point.
	I agree with you completely.
	He should say, you know, what you said, for obvious reasons, you know, we've got to move on, and I want to talk about X, Y, and Z, and then he has to start throwing some zingers.
	He would have to stay very, very calm.
	Sadly, I think that tonight we will hear about multiple rape court cases against Donald Trump.
	I think that Hillary Clinton, that will be her next surprise.
	Because I know this is being set up.
	This is the big setup.
	And it's really interesting when you think about the Dutch slogan which I've mentioned to you several times.
	Remember this one?
	Yeah, I forgot the meaning.
	Oh, it's what you say of others is what you are yourself.
	And when you look at what I think?
	Which they did after the Clinton Foundation did not change any documents as requested.
	Charity Navigator are not an easy group to deal with.
	I know that Tina had to change some donor policy things to get a full star rating from them.
	So, you know, they really do, you know, they read and they look at stuff and they had Clinton on the watch list and it was all no good.
	And then all of a sudden they got the five-star rating after one thing didn't happen, which has now been documented in the show notes if you want to read up on it.
	They made no changes to their 2005 numbers, which was the request.
	And the Clinton Foundation donated $2 million to Charity Navigator, which itself is a non-profit.
	And all of a sudden, they got a four-star rating.
	Yeah, corruption.
	Corruption is what that's called.
	So, that problem?
	No.
	A million-dollar Trump Foundation, that's the big headline.
	The whole sexual assault thing.
	We have Clinton with Jeffrey Epstein, the Lolita Express.
	We've got tons of women, tons of stuff out there.
	The university where we know that that Phoenix Rising thing, whatever, Clinton bill got $30 million for being the counselor.
	That huge Ponzi scheme of billions of dollars of crap.
	You know, universities as being overfinanced is a house of cards.
	No, Trump University sucks.
	You know, so it's always this.
	And now, you're going to see this rape, and it's going to be, the discussion is going to be this, because I've already heard it starting.
	What Donald Trump did...
	Is sexual assault.
	That's what it's going to come down to.
	And I'm hearing it from millennials everywhere.
	In fact, I've heard them say, this is the textbook definition of sexual assault.
	And it's not.
	But that is how it's going to be played.
	And I'm afraid that Trump is not going to be able to contain himself and he's going to be accused of rape Right.
	Now, I think the giveaway on Trump's failures, and apparently he won't take advice.
	By the way, let me give you the textbook definition of sexual assault, if you don't mind.
	From the Department of Justice, from their website, sexual assault is any type of sexual contact with Or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient.
	Falling under the definition of sexual assault are sexual activities as forced sexual intercourse, forced sodomy, child molestation, incest, fondling, and attempted rape.
	So saying that you can do this if you're a star is...
	Right there, not rape.
	But the whole point of what he was saying is, oh, it's not unwanted from these women that apparently Donald Trump can grab their pussy when he's a star.
	So, it's just not the definition.
	But that's beside the point.
	I know, I know, but the discussion tonight, I guarantee you, will be, that will be called assault slash rape.
	Trump will respond by saying, but your husband's a rapist, and then the whole thing falls to shit.
	Well, here's the thing that happens.
	It may not, that might even show up, but it's going to show up outside if it doesn't show up at the debate.
	The giveaway to me that Trump will choke this, and he's not going to get through it at all, because of the way he handled the other episode, which he could have just passed off as, you know, there's two assholes.
	We have no evidence he knows how to handle it, is what you're saying.
	There's none.
	And here's the reason, here's the backup on that.
	When he was accused of making these comments, he says, yes, I did say that, but Bill Clinton has said far worse things to me on the golf course.
	Exactly.
	Idiot.
	Stupid thing to say.
	That is so dumb.
	Stupid.
	Yep.
	I mean, it's almost juvenile.
	In fact, almost.
	It's very juvenile.
	Oh, yeah.
	If he did that, I did it.
	If I did it, he did it worse.
	It's just ridiculous.
	And if he does post any of that, because I don't think he...
	See, with the Republican debates, he caught everybody with their pants down.
	They don't know what hit them.
	And I still believe, by the way, for people that...
	A lot of people think that we support Trump and they won't give us money anymore.
	But this isn't true.
	One of the things that, you know, when he did the Republican stuff, they were caught off guard and there was no counter.
	They couldn't counter anything he did.
	And I want to remind everybody that the one good thing about Trump that we should never forget, he kept George Bush or George, not George Bush, but Jeb, Jeb, Jeb Bush, Jeb with the exclamation mark from becoming president.
	We don't need a third Bush.
	We don't need a second Clinton either, but we don't need a third Bush.
	That would be bad.
	And he would have probably given it a good run.
	He could have beaten Hillary.
	Maybe.
	So here's my pledge to you.
	Oops, oops, oops.
	Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
	And I don't think that Hillary really has any dirt on Jeb.
	He doesn't seem like an interesting enough guy.
	Please clap.
	Yeah, that's the bad guy.
	Hey, can I redeem myself?
	I try.
	The clip I thought was the kicker?
	Yeah, okay, go.
	This is CNN. The main character in this is Ana Navarro.
	She is the resident CNN political analyst all in for Hillary.
	Can I just say that this is...
	Ana, quickly, I have to get to break in.
	I'll bring you guys back, but go ahead.
	All this shaming of each other on TV, really, let's not do this, guys.
	None of us are on the ballot.
	The people that are on the ballot are Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, and we are judging Donald Trump.
	If you choose to believe him, if you choose to make excuses for him, that's your choice.
	My choice is to consider him a disgusting man who has consistently disgusted me from the first day of this campaign.
	And I think that every single Republican is going to have to answer the question, what did you do the day you saw the tape of this man boasting about grabbing a woman's pussy?
	Period.
	Please stop saying that word.
	My daughter is listening.
	Don't tell me you're offended when I say pussy, but you're not offended when Donald Trump is dead.
	I'm not running for president.
	He is.
	Yes, and I said I'm offended by Donald Trump.
	Don't act outraged and offended when I say the word that you're not offended by the man who you are supporting is saying that.
	That is just absurd.
	I said I was offended by him saying that, too.
	We'll be right back.
	I just love her yelling pussy a lot.
	I thought that was great.
	Okay, well, you still didn't get your word back.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	I'm in the doghouse.
	It was good, though.
	It was a good clip.
	I think it was a very funny clip.
	I blew it.
	This is not the future of radio anymore.
	I'm yesterday's news, baby.
	Since we're getting off that topic, we might as well go to...
	I don't really have any more...
	Of course, I do have stuff on the wiki transcripts.
	I have a couple of clips about that.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I think we should just do those real quick.
	ABC, for your Lena report, by the way, I could not find really an NBC or an ABC version of the report that CBS and NBC did do.
	This is CBS This Morning.
	Hillary Clinton faced a campaign controversy of her own Friday.
	WikiLeaks released what it says are emails from her campaign chairman.
	They contain some potentially problematic revelations for the Democratic nominee.
	The portions released Friday point to why Clinton has refused to make them public.
	In a speech to Goldman BlackRock in early 2014, Clinton recalled a middle-class upbringing, but admits she's far removed from that now because the life I've lived and the economic fortunes that my husband and I now enjoy.
	A year before, she told the National Multi-Housing Council that politics is like sausage being made.
	It's unsavory.
	You need both a public and a private position.
	That was, you know, pretty fair reporting, certainly for CBS This Morning.
	The Today Show on NBC. His documents do give a glimpse of a Hillary Clinton that's different in private than in public.
	She even went so far as to say as much.
	On the issue of trade that was so important to Sanders, she actually went so far as to say she would call for an open border policy.
	Quote, my dream is a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders potentially causing her some trouble.
	At the same time here, there are no major bombshells in these documents, if they are authentic, that really stands up to the magnitude of that story about Donald Trump.
	And many Democrats I've talked to in the last 12 hours are privately saying they think this race might already be over.
	All right, so you heard the little, she slipped in a little, if they are authentic in there?
	I saw that little piece of propaganda.
	Yeah, that's bubbling under right now.
	Ah, this is Podesta.
	It's his emails.
	It's saying, no, these aren't mine.
	No, no, that's fake.
	No, he won't do that.
	I don't think that's going to happen.
	They're just going to leave the meme in there.
	He just says, I'm not going to comment.
	Okay.
	Fox, of course, these were both 37 seconds.
	Thank you, NBC and CBS. Fox obviously did a little more.
	Hillary Clinton and her campaign have repeatedly refused to release the transcripts of her speeches, and political analysts say these leaked excerpts are likely the reason why, including where she apparently called Bernie Sanders supporters a, quote, bucket of losers.
	They come from some 2,000 emails.
	By the way, I looked for that.
	I could not find any document with bucket of losers in it.
	I really want that.
	If anyone has found it, please, that's a great line.
	The reason why, including where she apparently called Bernie Sanders supporters a, quote, bucket of losers.
	They come from some 2,000 emails hacked from the personal account of top Clinton aide John Podesta, none of which have been confirmed, mind you.
	They show Clinton.
	Ooh, they slip it in there as well, John.
	Little fox spreading the meme.
	...campaign researchers trying to flag Podesta about quotes that could be politically damaging.
	For example, one that says Clinton admits she's out of touch.
	Referring to a speech she made at Goldman Sachs, where she talked about her middle-class upbringing and went on to say, quoting, so I lived that, and now obviously I'm kind of far removed from...
	Because the life I've lived and the economic, you know, fortunes that my husband and I now enjoy, but I haven't forgotten it.
	Another red flag came in 2013, a speech to the National Multi-Housing Council, where she said, quoting again, I mean, politics is like sausage being made.
	It is unsavory, and it always has been that way, but we usually end up where we need to be.
	But if everybody's watching, you know, all of the backroom discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least.
	So you need both a public and a private position.
	The aides also flagged comments where Clinton is aware of the security concerns around Blackberries, even admitting that everyone at the State Department was being hacked, even personal emails.
	Quoting here again, at the State Department, we were attacked every hour.
	More than once an hour by incoming efforts to penetrate everything we had.
	The emails also entailed comments indicating she supports the Keystone Pipeline, which she publicly opposes.
	How she favors single-payer or government-funded healthcare.
	How she thinks Wall Street insiders are what's needed to fix Wall Street.
	And why she supports lowering corporate tax rates and raising the Social Security age.
	For the record, of the $22 million she made from speeches after resigning as Secretary of State, $3 million came from Wall Street.
	So far, there has been no comment from the Clinton campaign.
	John Podesta thinks he was hacked by Russians trying to throw the election to Donald Trump.
	So that leads me right into, if you don't mind, a little more F-Russia going on here because we've changed our tune a bit.
	We have here CNBC. It's official, John.
	In this story has always been, we sort of knew who did it, and the question was, what's the U.S. going to do about it?
	And now we have the answer.
	A public shaming statement from the Obama administration saying...
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!
	Them's fighting words.
	A public shaming statement, John.
	That's, I mean, them's fighting wars, don't you think?
	Oh, yeah.
	A statement from the Obama administration saying Russia is trying to interfere in the U.S. election.
	It's a joint statement from the Department of Homeland Security and the Director of National Intelligence.
	And it says that all these attacks bear the hallmarks of recent Russian attacks in Europe and in Eurasia, in the Ukraine.
	And it says, quote, only Russia's senior most officials could have authorized these activities.
	So it does say that the kind of attacks it's talking about here are the cyber intrusions on the Democratic National Committee, the Congressional Campaign Committee, and some individuals.
	Colin Powell, a former U.S. military commander, a White House travel aide.
	It doesn't say that it believes the Russian government is behind these probes into U.S. voter registration databases.
	We know about the ones in Russia.
	Arizona and Illinois, there have been perhaps a couple of dozen others.
	What the statement does say is that in most cases, those probes seem to come from servers that are operated by a Russian company, but they say we're not in a position to attribute that activity to the Russian government.
	And then the statement ends by saying this is all separate and apart from an attempt or an ability to actually affect the outcome of the vote.
	They continue to say that the system is so, the election system in the U.S. is so diffuse, so disorganized, so disconnected, that it would be very difficult for even a nation-state actor to try to affect the actual vote tally.
	But nonetheless, it says states should be on the lookout.
	Hey Pete, any reaction here from Moscow?
	No, but I think the most interesting reaction we've heard all day is from an American intelligence official who says that he's skeptical that public shaming is going to work against the Russians.
	Yeah, I was just going to say, beyond public shaming, what else do we have to do?
	What can we do?
	Well, there are lots of things we could do, and that's been one of the questions.
	We assume that diplomatically the U.S. has been trying to tell the Russians privately, knock it off.
	That apparently hasn't worked.
	It still continues.
	So the question now, is this going to work?
	I mean, there were a number of other options.
	There could have been prosecutions here that somebody could be indicted.
	There could be some kind of reciprocal cyber attack.
	All those things were apparently discussed, and this is the option the administration, for the moment anyway, has chosen.
	We're shaming you.
	Shame on you.
	They can't go much further than that because there's still no evidence or proof.
	I have the clip from RT which discusses this.
	This is the president blames Russia.
	Okie dokie.
	In the day's other news, the United States formally charged at Russia.
	No, I'm sorry.
	This is PBS. PBS. PBS, gotcha.
	...organize the hacking of democratic political sites and state election systems.
	The Department of Homeland Security and the Director of National Intelligence said it is an effort to interfere with the election process.
	We get more now from David Sanger of The New York Times.
	David, thanks for being with us.
	What's the significance of this and the fact that it comes, what, almost four months after we first heard about these hacks?
	That's right, Judy, and we reported in late July that the government and intelligence agencies already had high confidence that it was Russia.
	Okay, so you can stop for a second.
	I want to interrupt.
	Sanger is a New York Times guy who's been sent all around the world, and I believe him to be associated with one of the intelligence communities, or with the intelligence community.
	I'm not sure for who, but he usually comes on these shows, and this is the official...
	Yeah.
	And the official tactic is shaming.
	I still can't get over it.
	This isn't even brought into this from his perspective.
	I think that's some media made up.
	That's right, Judy.
	And we reported in late July that the government and intelligence agencies already had high confidence that it was Russia.
	What was interesting about this statement, there's sort of three big things.
	The first is that the White House decided to formally do this.
	Usually President Obama has been very reluctant to name foreign actors who were believed to be behind big hacks.
	They named North Korea in the Sony hack two years ago, but declined to name China in the hack of more than 20 million security files from the Office of Personnel Management, and didn't name Russia when they hacked into the State Department, White House, and Joint Chiefs and didn't name Russia when they hacked into the State Department, White House, and Joint Chiefs
	But in this case, I think they felt that it was getting too close and that they had to issue a warning to the Russians not to mess around on November 8th with voter rolls or other elements.
	I think the second important part of it, Judy, is that by naming them, the president's now got to announce what he's going to go do about it.
	And they haven't said that.
	He could do economic sanctions.
	He could take covert action.
	But there's always a worry in cyber that you get into an escalation issue where we do something, they do something back, and it can get much bigger.
	Now, this all seems to me to be a smokescreen.
	And the smokescreen is for probably the Democratic Party, because they do fool around with voter registration.
	Well, look at what happened in Brooklyn, for example, during the Bernie-Hillary thing.
	No votes.
	They all disappeared.
	Yep.
	And then Brooklyn is where Bernie would get a lot of votes.
	And no, no, he didn't get any votes because there was no votes there.
	Instead of a smoke screen, I'd say it's a setup for the smoke screen where if there is some hanky-panky going on, then we say, oh, well, we told you.
	It could also be, hey, why don't we federalize these elections?
	I mean, there could be all kinds of nefarious ideas out there.
	Exactly.
	Sorry, I was having a little battle with a moth.
	What is the proper way to battle a moth, John?
	You gotta bash him.
	But moths are weird, so they're very hard to do.
	I like catching the moth and letting him free.
	I don't like to bash the moth.
	There's too much to the moth.
	The moth has got a lot of goop in him.
	He's got a lot of powder, I know.
	Powder, yeah.
	The powder.
	Hey, I got one relevant clip here from Comey, just regarding this, because I'm disappointed in him.
	Boy, I thought he was my hero, no longer.
	FBI Director James Comey is revealing investigators have discovered more attempts to breach voter registration sites beyond the previously known hacks in Arizona.
	By the way, that's exactly how it sounds when you're being hacked.
	If you hear that sound, you know you're in trouble.
	Illinois.
	There have been a variety of scanning activities, which is a preamble for potential intrusion activities, as well as some attempted intrusions at voter registration databases beyond those we knew about in July and August.
	We are urging the states just to make sure that their deadbolts are thrown and their locks are on.
	The revelation comes as investigators are confident Russia is behind several recent cyber attacks to influence the U.S. elections.
	CNN has learned U.S. investigators now believe Guccifer 2.0 is a Russian intelligence operation disguised as a group of rogue hackers which targeted the Democratic National Committee.
	Obviously, as you know, we are doing an awful lot of work through our counterintelligence investigators to understand just what mischief is Russia up to in connection with our election.
	CIA Director John Brennan tells CNN's Erin Burnett U.S. officials fear more hacked information will be leaked to influence the election.
	If there are actors or countries that have particular objectives either to discredit or to help to burnish the credentials of individual candidates, I am concerned that they are going to use this time to release that information.
	While U.S. intelligence officials are hesitant to publicly blame Russia, top Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill are issuing a stern warning, saying in this statement, we believe that orders for the Russian intelligence agencies to conduct such actions could come only from very senior levels of the Russian government.
	We call on President Putin to immediately order a halt to this activity.
	Alright, I'd like to deconstruct and debunk this.
	Huge distraction.
	Yeah, well, I'd like to debunk something here for a moment, and then you can get to the distraction.
	When Comey talks about scanning activity, this is, for anyone, any, the dude's name Ben know this.
	I am going to log in right now.
	I'm going to log into my email server.
	I run my own email server.
	Curry.com has been around for a long time on the internet.
	And I'm going to read you, I'm doing a tail minus F on my log file, which means it shows me the new entries in real time.
	Here we go.
	Warning, unknown, 186.0.94.170, SASL login authentication failed.
	Someone just tried to log into my box.
	Again, second one, 1901471975, SASL login authentication failed.
	This is continued.
	I'm not even going to read you the spam.
	Yeah, this goes on all day.
	This is in real time.
	All day.
	Here we go.
	80.82.64.102 SESL login authentication failed.
	Disconnect.
	And where is this coming from?
	Let me see.
	Well, I'd have to do a reverse lookup.
	But I have this, ntlworld.ie.
	So Ireland is hacking me, horrible people.
	It just goes on and on and on and on.
	Yeah, no, it's thousands and thousands and thousands a day.
	All day long.
	Hey, look at this.
	Hot-Latina-Women.
	Sender address not rejected.
	Why?
	I gotta fix my email.
	Something's wrong here.
	It's rejecting the wrong emails.
	You want to keep that one.
	Well, this sort of thing going on is apparently really disturbing our pixie girl, Herridge.
	Oh, boy.
	And she is now concerned about something else.
	All this is going on at the same time as we have Pussygate.
	Meanwhile, you have this little story, the immunity deal.
	This was done on the guy's news show that took over from the other woman.
	And his hair is trying to explain this thing, and she just seems so concerned.
	It's about the immunity deals for two top Hillary Clinton aides.
	Former Clinton Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills and ex-campaign staffer Heather Samuelson were granted immunity in the FBI's Clinton email server investigation.
	And sources tell Fox News that part of that deal included the destruction of laptops.
	Fox News Chief Intelligence Correspondent Catherine Harris is here.
	So, Catherine, what's this all about?
	Well, a letter was obtained by us today, and it was sent by the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.
	That's the committee that had the hearing last week with FBI Director Comey.
	And this letter went to the Attorney General and said, we've now reviewed these deals, and what we see is that there are two side agreements, one for Mills and one for Samuelson.
	They are very important figures because they're the ones who sorted the emails and determined what should be kept And what could be destroyed?
	And part of the deal was that the FBI could get access to these laptops.
	But Mills and Samuelson got immunity for obstructing justice.
	You mean immunity from obstruction of justice?
	Correct.
	Sorry, pardon me, from that.
	And then also that after the FBI had searched the laptops, that they would destroy them.
	Now, these were their laptops, right?
	That's correct, but...
	Can you think of a legitimate reason for destroying the laptops?
	No.
	Well, I spoke with two different national security defense attorneys today.
	One said to me that the thing that puzzles them so much is that once classified information was on those computers, a government record, it automatically became government property.
	And he didn't understand why they had to strike a deal when they should have been able to seize the computer because it had government property.
	The other attorney said to me that It wasn't as if they would have been taken away from them and they would have lost their laptops.
	They destroyed them.
	That's right.
	And here's the really puzzling thing, and you're really onto the leading edge of this.
	There are outstanding Freedom of Information Act lawsuits and then outstanding congressional investigations.
	And what's so puzzling is why these laptops would be destroyed when these matters are not resolved.
	I must say, Catherine, when I sat there that day when James Comey came out and gave the news conference, which was so damning in many respects of Hillary Clinton's behavior, and then announced that, you know, on the bag and housing balance we decided not to prosecute, I thought, well, it sounds like it was on the up and up.
	The more I hear, the less it seems like it was.
	You know, we can't see these agreements, and I think the language would be very important, but the more we seem to know about this investigation and how it deviated from standard practice, the less people have faith, including Republicans on the Hill, that it was done in an impartial way.
	And in fact, Chairman Goodlatte says the evidence suggests that there was a predetermined outcome from the Justice Department that gave these deals.
	It looks more and more that way, doesn't it, Kevin?
	Thank you.
	You're welcome.
	I just found it interesting that they could have just grabbed the laptops and nobody bothered to do that, and then they're going to destroy them.
	The reason they want to destroy them, of course, is because there's something on there.
	There's something on them, of course.
	And the something could be erased files, and it could be, you know, you can erase files, and of course you can un-erase.
	I'm sure they don't have the real scrubbers, but even, I've been told this from a guy who does, who recovers hard disks, and he says there's nothing, if you really know what you're doing, you want to take time That data is still there even when you scrub the disc with whatever scrubber you're using.
	The data is still there.
	It's fragmented and it's only there in a very mild way.
	That's why Elliot always burns his drives.
	And he drills a hole in him and then puts him in the microwave.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's how you do it.
	So that's what they're doing.
	They're destroying the laptops.
	They're probably taking the entire laptop, because it's got data on there that would be important, and they're going to throw into one of those chippers.
	They have these big, giant, which is the damnedest thing you've ever seen, but it's a hard disk chipper.
	And you throw the thing in, and it just obliterates it into a million little pieces that are just the size of a BB. Yeah.
	And that'll do the trick.
	Yeah.
	Whatever's on there is gone for good.
	Well, I know I'll be watching tonight, and who knows what will come up.
	This is very suspicious.
	Well, our Justice Department is in shambles.
	It's a shambles.
	It's a shambles.
	Well, when they started Fast and Furious, and they wouldn't give them the data, I mean, that was their gun-running operation.
	These guys are like criminals.
	It's like a criminal enterprise.
	In fact, okay, they're a criminal enterprise, but I was watching the...
	R.T., and they had this one guy who's supposed to be a comic.
	He's not very funny.
	But out of the blue, he decided to read from Smedley Butler's book.
	Oh, War as a Racket.
	War as a Racket.
	And I just thought it was funny enough just to read this.
	I mean, to clip it and play it.
	General Butler said, I spent 33 years in the military.
	In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
	I helped make Mexico safer American oil interest in 1914.
	I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in.
	I helped in the raping of a half dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street.
	I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interest in 1916.
	I might have given Al Capone a few hints.
	The best he could do was operate his racket in three districts.
	I operated in three continents.
	Yeah, it reminds me.
	I got a lot of emails from producers in India and in Pakistan, both for different reasons, saying, oh, you guys nailed it.
	That cashmere stuff, it's all about arms sales.
	And there's like five different deals.
	The Chinese are selling.
	The Russians are selling.
	Everyone is trying to sell to India and Pakistan because it's a racket.
	It's a racket, I tell you.
	It's a racket.
	It's a good bunny maker, I'll tell you that.
	We're not in it, though.
	No, not today.
	I want to talk about Glenn Beck for a moment.
	Okay.
	So you mentioned, and I've been following this, so Glenn Beck was on Fox, and he got kicked out.
	We're going to find out why, but there was all kinds of reasons, I'm sure.
	And then he started his own thing called The Blaze, and now that is falling apart, I believe.
	Do we know that?
	Yeah, financially falling apart.
	This is what I'm hearing.
	And I read this...
	Well, I had a discussion with somebody the other day, and we talked about podcasting and new media and all the rest of it, and And how important, from my perspective, and I think you would agree with this, is that you run a lean operation.
	In our case, two people.
	Yeah, and half a guy sometimes, which is Eric, you know, twice a week.
	I don't want to diminish it, but yeah.
	Yeah, it's ways that he works to keep the numbers.
	And we have operations.
	We have network operations.
	We have a lot of network guys helping us, but it's a volunteer thing.
	We keep it to a minimum.
	So you hear people, you know, they start, and you see it.
	They start a podcast up.
	First, they need an engineer.
	Okay, so they can't apparently do their own engineering, which doesn't seem like it's that.
	I mean, it's not easy.
	You have to know what you're doing.
	You're the guy, for example.
	But it's not impossible to do.
	I mean, with all the clips and all the stuff that we incorporated, it takes someone who's really talented.
	But generally speaking, you could do it.
	And you don't need to do post.
	No.
	You don't have to do posts.
	And all these other things that people do, they make their lives miserable.
	And then they have a big staff, they have the bookkeeper, and then they have a manager, they have a producer, they got an editor, and they have an engineer, and then there's people on the podcast itself.
	This is a formula for not making any money.
	Right.
	And now, just to respond to the chat room, the seed guy makes his money selling seeds, okay?
	He has 60 people working in his warehouse for his stuff, so that's his revenue model.
	Yeah, they have their own pick-and-pack operation.
	I think he probably does okay.
	Yeah, I'm sure he does.
	But Beck, I was reading Media Matters, and that's why I bring this up.
	Beck has a financial problem.
	And there was this, who wrote this?
	Let me see.
	It doesn't really matter who wrote this.
	Anyway, he was talking about a Huffington Post story.
	That covers the demise of the Blaze.
	And they say it's financial.
	And here's this guy.
	He says, This decoupling of consumer goods advertisers from conservative media is a really big deal.
	It's something that I and a legion of people have been working on for over a decade.
	The success of my friends in the hashtag Stop Rush group alone is absolutely phenomenal.
	We've found that in general advertisers don't like to support racist, sexist bigots.
	There are some exceptions, especially those whose audience sees being called a sexist bigot a compliment.
	I developed the Spocko method to defund right-wing media.
	And I did this because while I knew there were plenty of people who will happily consume racist, sexist, claptrap, I also knew that the women and men running consumer businesses do not want to be publicly associated with it.
	He has been taken down in the very manner that we have said we chose our model to avoid.
	It's exactly what is happening to him.
	That doesn't surprise me.
	Doesn't surprise me.
	I think that's where the seed man took the right approach.
	Yeah.
	Because I think he saw this problem coming down.
	I'm sure he's had to experience it more than a few times.
	Right.
	At least, you know, people hate groups coming into and you have to not advertise there as a hate group.
	As far as I'm concerned.
	You can't advertise with this guy.
	And I'm sure the Southern Poverty Law Center is going to be doing this stuff.
	It's going to be everywhere.
	They're really going to work hard on this.
	And it seems like there's organized groups.
	Did you get the letter I forwarded to you about the guy who's one of our Hollywood writer-producers?
	I don't think so.
	Who wanted a copy of the Lear?
	Oh, I sent him that, yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Here's a guy that's in Hollywood.
	I forgot what show he's working on.
	He's on one of the shows.
	Blacklist, maybe.
	And he says that over the years, he hasn't run into these guys.
	He didn't know about the scheme.
	He just knew that these guys come in.
	Oh.
	Casual consultants or something.
	I'm not sure how they come in to talk with these guys, but they have all these story ideas and they pass them along for free.
	You end up with this running some bullshit about something that you don't even know that is being...
	It's like a game being run on and you don't know.
	So you needed that probably for a meeting.
	Listen to this.
	Listen to this.
	Exactly.
	Well...
	Please remember these stories because when people are asking you to support them, there really is no other way.
	If you want this type of product, which we happen to think is an outstanding product.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to no agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on no agenda in the morning.
	Oh, I forgot to tell you one thing.
	We're having lunch yesterday, and Tina comes back from the restroom and says, I just met Tommy in the bathroom.
	You can imagine my surprise.
	Like, what?
	Yeah, Tommy.
	She met Tommy, the millennial blonde girl?
	Yeah, the girl.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	She was really nice.
	Did she say anything to her?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, she probably is.
	Well, actually, Tina did a classic.
	Hey, you know, you look just like that Tommy girl.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's what you do.
	She said, yeah, because that's me.
	She said, oh, wow.
	And Tina's great.
	She said, what do you think about Trump?
	She's like, yeah, that's why I'm in New York.
	I'm going to go on a whole bunch of shows and I'm going to explain why it's a hype and that Hillary's really bad.
	I thought that was interesting.
	Yeah, super cute.
	I'll bet she is.
	She looks good on television, but I'm sure she's in person.
	She's dynamite.
	She's so cute that Tina didn't tell me the story until we had left.
	Alright, here's what we're going to do for this donation segment.
	This spreadsheet is screwed up.
	Eric's obviously out.
	And I'm going to combine this spreadsheet with the next one on Thursday.
	We're going to do a complete rundown of everybody.
	And I'll tell you what's wrong with this.
	Oh, okay.
	What happened?
	A couple things.
	Well, I mean, I'm just going to mention that he...
	I don't know what he pulled or what he...
	He's some automated system now that's going to have to be...
	Back-calculated so we can get these regular people.
	And here's what shows me that this thing didn't work out.
	Because one of the main donations that I cited was the $99.99 donation.
	And when the donations started to come in, the first 10 of them were $99.99.
	Oh, of course, for our anniversary.
	9th anniversary.
	Yeah.
	9, 9, 9!
	And if you look at the spreadsheet, there's not...
	They're not on there.
	Yep, you're right.
	That means there's a bunch of stuff not on here.
	And if we do a read today, it's going to be a lot of duplication, because when you do, you can't get to...
	Again, ladies and gentlemen, you are listening.
	The future of radio.
	The future of radio.
	So it'd be like oatmeal.
	I mean, it's doable, but I'd rather not do it.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, and so I think we also have another executive producer, but we will give Tim Nonymous, who's a very loyal producer, the full executive producership, and then we'll put these together next time.
	And I think your story about The Blaze...
	Yeah, that's exactly what we've been saying all along.
	This can happen to anybody.
	You have an orchestrated hate group, and Media Matters is part of that, that want to get these messages.
	They want to keep them from being said.
	All right, so what you're saying is we're going to skip donations?
	Yeah.
	Okay, but I do have to do the birthdays.
	You have the birthdays, I think, and we'll probably have to do some make goods on that, and I think there's a knighthood, I believe.
	Yeah, but why don't we move it all to Thursday?
	Okay, we'll move it all to Thursday, except the birthdays.
	Except the birthdays.
	Okay.
	Well, I do want to remind everybody that Thursday's going to be a big donation segment.
	Get in now!
	And everybody who needs it, some karma, because I always got to give you that.
	You've got karma.
	And on the list today, Howard, Alex, LaHoura, turn 33 tomorrow.
	So we say happy birthday to him in advance.
	As long along with Andrew Gusek, who says happy birthday to his brother, Robert Gusek, also celebrating tomorrow.
	So we say happy birthday from your buddies here at the best podcast in the universe.
	It's your birthday, yeah!
	Man, that's weird.
	Not having no donation segment.
	Yeah, that's odd.
	No, no, no.
	It's good.
	We'll do it all on Thursday.
	That came in in September.
	I read it to you earlier before the pre-show.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's a good one.
	Read that.
	I think it's a good letter, though.
	In the morning to you, do JC and AC. JCAC. JCAC. In the morning, my friends, as I sit back here on the front porch in the early morning with my dog watching people drive by while gazing at their iPhones, I wanted to drop you a note of thanks and send a donation to ChipAway towards my knighthood, though jobless.
	And down to my last $250 to my name.
	I felt the need to donate.
	I would like to ask for a little jobs karma.
	My boss felt the need to tell me off in a dining room full of people.
	So I walked out.
	Not to make this a sob story, but I hated that job anyway.
	It's an open air kitchen, sushi bar.
	So your customers are right in front of you and stood right next to my boss.
	Conversations on all topics arise.
	And whenever I would enter my two cents worth, no agenda style.
	I was quickly dubbed the conspiracy theory guy.
	And it just snowballed from there.
	Thank you, JCD and Adam, for all you do.
	Oh, man.
	Yeah.
	Let me give that guy karma.
	I can always use some karma for that.
	You've got karma.
	It's rough.
	We get called out like that.
	Rough, rough, rough.
	Rough.
	So I think that there's a couple of things that, you know, if we look at this debate that's coming up tonight, you know, everyone was prepared.
	The Clintons certainly knew about the WikiLeaks transcripts.
	You know, Trump knows what's coming with, you know, it's obviously all going to be about he's a rapist.
	No, he's a rapist.
	No, you're a rapist.
	You're a dick.
	You're a dick.
	It's going to be back and forth.
	Very, very sad.
	But I think that they were also preparing for a lot of attacks on Obamacare.
	Now, Obamacare, you just can't stop, even the mainstream media can't stop the flood of news.
	In fact, gee, you'd expect Trump to bring it up that Bill Clinton himself said it was a mess.
	So they're preparing for it.
	And how did they prepare?
	Well, very funny.
	They sent out the architect of Obamacare, Zekiel Emanuel.
	Zekiel Emanuel, I think his name is.
	Zekiel?
	Something, yeah.
	And they let him do interviews on Fox.
	So, he did one with Megyn Kelly.
	I don't have that clip.
	But I need to play the one.
	This is Stuart Varney again.
	The guy is funny.
	He's not American, so he has nothing to lose.
	Immigrant.
	So he talks to Zekiel Emanuel about Obamacare.
	And he starts off, and I guess what he does, he asks the listeners to send in, you know, how's it working for you?
	So, of course, it's similar stories to what we've heard.
	You just tell me when you've had enough.
	First off, listen to this from Chris.
	Got kicked off my old plan, premiums up 400%, co-payment up 150%, deductibles 2,500 when before it was 250.
	Basically, we've been screwed and I'm not on Obamacare.
	This is what the law has done to me.
	Dr.
	Ezekiel Emanuel, architect of Obamacare, is with us now.
	First of all, I'm very sorry for him.
	As, you know, creating a piece of legislation that's going to cover 310 million people, you have problems, and we've discovered problems, and Democrats are proposing solutions to some of those problems.
	But we also should not have amnesia.
	The situation before the Affordable Care Act had 50 million people uninsured.
	Would you let me finish?
	Is it an apology to Chris?
	Would you treat me like a guest instead of your punching opponent so I can be here and respond?
	Is it an apology to Chris?
	Is it?
	I mean, are you apologizing?
	You asked me to respond, and I'm responding.
	Okay, now I've got another one for you.
	You need to compare before and after, and I am really sorry for Chris.
	This one is from Mark.
	Can you hear this?
	My monthly premiums in Arizona went from $400 a month for three people to $850 a month.
	My deductible went from $4,000 to $10,000 the month Obamacare went into effect.
	Ask him, that's you sir, why my family's premiums went up and Obama said they would go down.
	What's your answer, Doctor?
	I'll tell you actually, my answer is, actually if you look at healthcare inflation, we've brought healthcare inflation down, and the main way to keep premiums down is to keep healthcare costs down, and Obamacare has done more to keep healthcare costs down than anything we've seen in the 50 years previously since passage of Medicare and Medicaid.
	It is very unfortunate that insurance companies have taken an opportunity to raise rates very high, but that's a result of healthcare costs going up.
	And we need to keep total healthcare costs going down.
	I love how it says, well, it's going down, but it's going up because it's going down, you see.
	Up is down, down is up.
	This guy is crazy to come on Fox.
	He's crazy to go on anything.
	He's got no leg to stand on.
	He's a douchebag.
	Douchebag him.
	Douchebag him.
	The Democrats have very good plans to do that.
	They're losing billions.
	They're losing billions and they're leaving.
	No, the insurance companies are not losing billions.
	Their stocks are at record highs.
	They're losing billions and they're leaving.
	No, they're leaving.
	Look, Aetna is leaving for political reasons because the government didn't want to create a monopoly by allowing it to merge with Humana.
	Increase the subsidies, that would help.
	Increase the fines for not having insurance.
	And restore payments to insurance companies from taxpayers.
	Those were the three fixes you put out last night with Megyn Kelly.
	Well, that's because she also, like you, keeps interrupting me.
	But I think those three fixes, and by the way, that's quote-unquote subsidies, they are risk corridors.
	And I should say that when the Republicans passed Medicare Part D, they had those kind of risk corridors in for the...
	This is what I was trying to get to last show, and I didn't know what the person was saying.
	It's risk corridors.
	That's the main thing.
	And what he's going to say is, well, it's all messed up.
	You don't have to listen to him anymore.
	It just goes on.
	He's useless.
	Well, if you want to, I have another minute if you want to hear it.
	No, no, no.
	I mean, I would have.
	You get the idea.
	So he says, because specifically Marco Rubio put in the rider or whatever it was in the bill to deny the full health corridor...
	That's why it's failing, and that's why the insurance companies have jacked up rates on certain people.
	Not everybody, because overall it's only up 15%, which of course is much lower.
	Bullcrap!
	He's saying on average.
	Of course it's bullcrap, but whatever he says.
	So I went to look into these corridors.
	And the idea of the corridor, it's kind of like a range of reinsurance that is in the Affordable Health Care Act, that although it was curtailed because of, indeed, Marco Rubio, just to give you an idea of what this is about, this is the hidden money of Obamacare.
	For 2015, I'm reading this right off of, this is the RA and RI summary report, For the Affordable Care Act, as required by the law itself to report, the summary data elements.
	Number of issuers with 2015 benefit year reinsurance eligible individual market plans nationwide.
	In other words, number of companies, this includes the smaller guys on the exchanges, John, who were eligible.
	How many do you think?
	Because we're only talking about one or two.
	How many insurers do you think, issuers, That were eligible to get money from the government.
	100?
	575.
	Oh, that's a lot.
	The number who actually received the benefit, 497.
	Now, there's two numbers here.
	The total request...
	For reinsurance and then the total value that was paid out because they can't pay everything thanks to Marco Rubio's ride override.
	The current total dollar value to be paid by us, taxpayers, $14.3 billion.
	Now, they didn't pay all that, but it's still $7.8 billion that they paid to the insurance companies to help them where they re-injust.
	This was never really explained very well.
	Because we're on the hook three ways.
	I mean, it's not like this is just magical money.
	It's our money.
	So we're paying extra in premiums, and we're paying for the reinsurance.
	Yeah.
	No, this doesn't work, the system.
	It was poorly designed.
	It's really sickening.
	Poorly designed, yeah, okay.
	That's one way to say it.
	Poorly designed.
	Poorly designed.
	They just had to make it Medicare for everyone.
	Then you're done.
	Anyway, so that was probably planned for the debate.
	Otherwise, why would this guy take that flaming hot poker up the rear end?
	It makes no sense.
	Oh, maybe.
	The guy was probably sent out.
	Yeah, of course he was sent out.
	Of course.
	Hmm.
	Well, I've got a couple.
	That's good.
	Yeah?
	No, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	No, go ahead.
	Let's go to Europe for a second.
	Good.
	I have a very funny couple of clips.
	This is the UK hate speech.
	New law apparently aimed at the UK's publications and it was brought into play by Brussels.
	Yeah, well, this is what we discussed on the previous show.
	Number one.
	Brussels has told the UK to ban its media from revealing the religious background of terrorists if indeed they are Muslim.
	That's after European human rights chiefs published a report claiming racist violence is on the rise in the UK due to hate speech in newspapers and online.
	Just a B-12 level check.
	You remember I told you the story?
	Yeah, I remember this, but I didn't have this exact report.
	I didn't know what it was.
	No, I had no clips.
	I had nothing.
	This is great.
	I'm loving it.
	Just want to make sure we remember that we talked about it.
	Muslim terrorists.
	Yeah, can't say Muslim.
	Can't be called Muslims.
	Can't be called Muslims.
	No.
	Stop that.
	So after that, they gave the announcement, and then they had a guy, a guest on, a Muslim, and a guy who thought this was horrible because...
	Free speech and all.
	I didn't clip much of the second part of this because they started talking over each other to such an extreme that they actually had to cut them off and kick them off the show.
	But that's later, so you can just play a little bit of it.
	My colleague Neil Harvey was joined by political commentators with rather contrasting views, Mo Ansar and David Vance.
	The fact is that this is the European Union trying to muzzle the freedom of the UK press, and in that regard it's an outrage.
	Why shouldn't?
	Why should the people be allowed to understand the background of those who perpetrate acts of terrorism?
	And why should an exception be made for Muslims?
	This report is 83 pages.
	It runs onto hundreds of paragraphs and it is a comprehensive study.
	It talks about the rise of intolerance.
	Hate, prejudice, hate attacks following Brexit, but also the media.
	The mainstream media in the UK is absolutely beholden to racist interests, it seems, from this report.
	I've written an article called The Muslim Penalty, which I'll share after the interview.
	There are significant problems with diversity and discrimination in the UK, and we have an outside agency who we currently, whether you like it or not, we are applicable to them.
	Gentlemen, I want to ask you a completely different question now, if I may.
	Is this not an example of why British people voted the majority to get out of the EU? Because the EU interferes in the way that its member states run themselves.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Now, the guy said that the Muslim guy says this is the mainstream media in Britain that will cite, you know, a Islamist terrorist is beholding to racist interests. a Islamist terrorist is beholding to racist interests.
	And that's why they do it.
	Hmm.
	That's what he said.
	Yeah, I heard him.
	I heard him.
	What's a racist interest?
	I don't know.
	It's a precursor to racism, I guess.
	They're beholden to racist interests.
	So they're doing it because of some group or a corporation that pays the bills.
	Possibly.
	Or something that are inherently racist.
	That is bullshit.
	I think it just throws those words in there.
	Oh, God, the word racist has just been used.
	Red alert, red alert, racist, racist.
	Racist interest.
	That's pretty good, actually.
	Racist interest.
	It's the name of the show.
	Talk about racism, they said this is a, did you ever play the Southwest Iraqi passenger?
	In San Francisco, the Council on American-Islamic Relations has filed a complaint against Southwest Airlines with the Transportation Department, calling for an investigation into whether the airline company is racially profiling Muslim Americans.
	This comes after a recent University of California Berkeley graduate, Karol Deen Makzumi, was pulled off a Southwest Airline plane after another passenger complained about him speaking in Arabic on his cell phone.
	I think he was saying insala, insala, insala.
	Yeah, something.
	He was, this story goes on and on because it's so important.
	But it was the thing that got me is CARE is attacking a Southwest airline because they believe they're involved with racial, racial, racial, racial, I can't say it anymore.
	Racist interest.
	No, racial profiling.
	But the guy was tossed off because of a customer complaint, which happens all the time.
	And they complain about...
	I mean, I saw a guy tossed off, a white guy, tossed off a plane because he had Tourette's.
	Yeah, it could happen to me.
	Some woman was complaining to the...
	To the staff, and they took him off the plane.
	So it was a customer complaint that resulted in this.
	So how is the airline involved in racial profiling?
	Well, airlines, and thank you for bringing this up, this is going to be next, no doubt about it.
	Airlines have the absolute right to refuse anyone for any reason, even if just their spidey sense doesn't feel right.
	They have a lot of power to deny customers using their service.
	And now you're going to see this is going to be a big deal and you're racially profiling.
	Yeah, it's going to get bad.
	More of that.
	You can't escape anything.
	We're over-socializing ourselves, people.
	You can't run around not offending someone.
	It just doesn't work that way.
	Shit, man, we're out of time, really, but I did have something that fits into this.
	This Bill C-16 in Canada, in Scandinavia.
	Have you heard of Bill C-16?
	Probably not.
	This is something that is wanted here in the United States and that we have not done or been able to do or willing to do, and that is to include gender in our anti-discrimination laws.
	So this bill has now been introduced in Canada, because Canada is much better than America.
	We all know that.
	It's called Bill C-16.
	Here's a quick setup from the Justice Minister about this.
	I am proud to say that moments ago, I introduced legislation, Bill C-16, an act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act and Criminal Code.
	That would ensure that Canadians will be free to identify themselves and to express their gender as they wish while being protected against discrimination and hate.
	Because as Canadians we should feel free and safe to be ourselves.
	No one should be refused a job, disadvantaged in the workplace, be unable to access services or be the target of harassment and violence because of their gender identity or gender expression.
	Once passed, this legislation would update the Canada Human Rights Act to protect persons from being discriminated against because of their gender identity or their gender expression.
	We also intend to update the criminal code so that those who are targeted because of their gender identity or gender expression are protected against hate propaganda and hate crimes Now, I don't know why we have hate crimes and hate propaganda is now a part of this bill, and this bill has not passed yet, but I think Canada will do this.
	I think they seem like...
	Oh, yeah, Canada is a kind of...
	Yeah.
	A bunch of people who do that.
	Weenieville, Canada.
	Weenieville.
	So, CBC went on location at the University of Toronto in Scandinavia.
	There was a demonstration by transgenders Can we say that?
	Transgendered?
	Or do I say the transgendered?
	I have no idea what you can say anymore.
	Well, I'm probably wrong.
	I'll take the heat.
	By the transgendered community, they are very angry at the president of the school, the dean, whatever it is, because he has said, he refuses, he says, fine, you want to be what you want to be, you want to identify however you identify, I am not going to enforce the use of proper pronouns, which, as you know, this is also not a part of the bill.
	So he said, I'm just not going to do that.
	Big problem up there.
	So they send this girl, who actually I think is gay.
	It comes up somewhere here.
	And she goes to interview the transgendered community at the school who are angry about this.
	You just gotta listen to it.
	We have infected them.
	We are here today to call out, as you're all aware, Jordan B. Peterson for his refusal to respect the pronouns of his transgender students.
	Jordan B. Peterson has made it clear that he feels that he has the authority to dictate the gender identities of his students, which we are here to say that he does not.
	Lawrence Sutherland is not a member of the transgender community.
	They're here with I'm assuming an alt-right media organization.
	Did you want to do an interview about this?
	I'm trying to get all opinions.
	I think we're supposed to prioritize trans and non-binary voices.
	Non-binary.
	Are you binary then?
	I am not.
	Well, let me prioritize your voice.
	I don't think that's fair as a white cis woman.
	I'm actually not cis, but what does that mean?
	I'm saying that's not fair for me as a white cis woman.
	So you're trans then, you're non-binary.
	Didn't you just say you're non-binary?
	You asked me if I was, and I said, no, I'm cis.
	Okay, you're cis.
	So you think it's unfair to talk because you're cisgender?
	No, I'm supportive of the trans community, and I think that it's important that we listen to trans and non-binary voices first.
	You think everyone's opinion matters equally?
	Not in this world.
	If you're willing to be educated, I'm willing to teach, but if you're not willing to listen to it, I'm not happy.
	You aren't necessarily an educator, though.
	That's the problem.
	I know, I know.
	I'm just saying that maybe as us as trans people, we have a little bit more understanding.
	We have more knowledge on this subject than other people do.
	Have you gone to go have a discussion with Peterson?
	What he said was that he would not acknowledge our pronouns.
	That is not the same as saying he wants to have a discussion.
	And he said, because, and gave a reason.
	Now, if you went and asked him for more to have a debate on that, I wouldn't be safe in that.
	You think he'd hurt you?
	A transmasculine person in a dress talking to transphobes is never safe, whether it's physical or verbal.
	Wow, man.
	This is really bad up there.
	A trans masculine person in a dress can never speak with a transphobe because it's dangerous whether it's just talking or whatever.
	This is the clip of the day.
	You get it back.
	I get it back.
	Wow.
	Well then let me give you the last bit here of this clip.
	Oh my god!
	I know, I know.
	It hurt me too.
	Okay, so you're not willing to have a discussion because it wouldn't be a safe space.
	I am not willing to have a discussion about whether or not I am real and valid.
	It's a very rare opportunity.
	I would just like to say that as sympathetic as I am to the trans and LGBTQ plus community's goals...
	Ooh, there's a new one.
	LGBTQ plus.
	Ooh, I like that.
	Hold on a minute.
	That's good.
	LGBTQ plus.
	Yeah, I like that.
	But then he gets shouted down.
	Have a discussion about whether or not I am real and valid.
	It's a very rare opportunity.
	Well, I would just like to say that as sympathetic as I am to the trans and LGBTQ plus community's goals, I'm also very disappointed to just hear my race, my own skin color, be attacked.
	Did you hear?
	You're only interviewing cis white guys!
	That's very inappropriate, and I don't want to be in a position in which I have to oppose Bill C-16, but simply due to the fact that I believe it's poorly written, the fact that simply refusing to refer to someone's pronoun could constitute discrimination simply means the bill needs to be rewritten before it's examined.
	The rallyers, the protesters here keep Referring to the fact that they claim that Dr.
	Peterson has said that non-binary people simply do not exist.
	In fact, that is not what he said.
	He has said that gender, sex at birth, gender expression, and gender identity simply do not vary independently.
	That's simply the only claim he's made in his videos, and he actually has made that very clear.
	So I highly encourage everyone to actually give the videos a watch before protesting.
	Many of the organizers actually informed me that they didn't.
	And I would also like to say to anyone who wants to stop any sort of discrimination, not to yell at people based on their skin color, as just happened to me.
	Thank you very much.
	So would you like to give your opinion?
	I mean, we just had someone scream at us that I'm interviewing too many white people, too many white men.
	Too many white people, way too many cis men.
	Why is that a problem?
	I think you're going up to the straightest, cisest, whitest people you can find.
	The straightest, cis-est, whitest person you can find.
	Oh, man!
	Oh, wow.
	Hey, Canada, you're screwed!
	Big time!
	Oh, man.
	Yeah, I know.
	I think that's a great way to finish the show off.
	Give everybody some uplifting clips.
	That's right, exactly.
	Determining the future of the world within they live.
	That's right.
	That's your world.
	I'm Paul Harvey.
	Something like that.
	Yeah.
	Alright, we'll be watching the debate.
	Of course.
	Who knows what'll happen.
	And we'll have plenty of time to process until Thursday.
	That's kind of interesting.
	It's a long time, really.
	I don't know if I'll be able to handle it.
	Oh, man.
	We could do an emergency show.
	Oh, oh.
	Answer no.
	Answer no?
	Oh, okay.
	Alright, well.
	Well, everybody, thank you very much for tuning in on this Sunday for your bi-weekly deconstruction of the media.
	God help us.
	And God help Canada, for that matter.
	And Germany.
	Leading edge.
	And Germany, who just had a terror alert this morning, a kilogram of TATP was found.
	That makes nothing but sense, Frau Merkel.
	Coming to you from the Bogative photo, promoted Airbnb here on East...
	What am I?
	East 86.
	58.
	Something like that.
	Here in the Big Apple.
	I don't even know what FEMA region it is.
	I got to get out.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I got to get in, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We'll be back on Thursday right here on No Agenda.
	God.
	Adios, mofos!
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	Delay.
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	Delay or avoid.
	But make no mistake, this agreement will help delay or avoid to save the one planet we've got.
	Delay or avoid.
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