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Talk about overkill.
Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
And it's Thursday, July 14, 2016.
And time once again for your award-winning Game of O'Nation Media Assassination, episode 842.
This is No Agenda.
Curing all that ails society with our digital town hall.
And broadcasting live from the capital of the Jones Star State here on FEMA Region 6 in the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And from northern Silicon Valley, where boxcar after boxcar goes flying by, I'm John C. Dvorak.
Bam!
That's what I call an opener.
There's no boxcars, though.
There's these container things.
Oh.
Now they got the little bitty one.
They got the big one, and sometimes some trains would have the two big ones, but now they got these little half ones.
Ah, a good old boxcar you could get into and travel around the country doesn't exist anymore, huh?
No, it's just these containers.
I don't think I've seen a boxcar for a couple years.
Just a few, maybe.
The craps table.
Hey.
Hey, hey, hey.
Yes.
Oh, that's right.
I was in Vegas.
Yes, indeed.
What a segue.
Well, you said the craps tables.
You started it off.
Yeah, that's what I said.
That's what I did it for.
And I have to announce...
Yeah, I'm not announcing anything, unfortunately.
That's right.
We did not get married, no.
Had a good time, though, and I really want to thank Dame Angela in Vegas for hooking us up.
You know when you have someone who works in Vegas and has lived there almost all their life?
They got connections.
I'm sure that we've got a few people that got connections.
You get like hook up with hotel rooms and comps and all kinds of fantastic stuff.
Comps.
Comps.
Yeah, it was really good.
Had a good time.
48 hours.
Back.
Back in the saddle.
Just in time for many town halls.
It seems like whenever we have a problem in America, we need a town hall.
Town hall will solve it all.
Yeah, town hall solved nothing.
Do you want to start with that, or do you want to start with my favorite topic of the day?
It would be Pokemon Go.
Well, let's get Pokemon Go out of the way.
Yeah, I think we should.
I have the clip from...
As I call it the PokePsyOps.
I have the clip from Germany, because it's just been released there.
And they're all excited.
I can imagine they are.
Pokemon Go game.
Have you gotten addicted to it yet?
I haven't downloaded it yet, Brent, but I might do it.
Of course, only in the name of market research, of course.
Very good answer.
Only scientifically.
But social media here in Germany.
What news outfit is this where we have to...
Deutsche Welle.
Oh, so she had to disclaim that only for scientific purposes.
I'm not crazy like the rest of us.
As the country became the first in Europe on Wednesday where fans could download, finally, Pokemon Go.
Well, of course, the game's quickly become one of the most viral mobile apps of all time, topping the charts in the US. Now, until now, the game was only available in the US, Australia and New Zealand, making today's German launch highly anticipated.
But not everyone in Europe was celebrating the arrival of the virtual reality creatures.
Take a watch.
Pokemon Go is blurring the line between the virtual world of gaming and the real live world of public space.
The augmented reality scavenger hunt is bringing people together in the most unusual places, and all on an unlikely quest.
It's probably as close as you could get to catching a Pokemon in real life.
It actually gives you that experience.
We walked from Barkley Center to Brooklyn Bridge on Saturday just to catch Pokemon.
Players download the app for free and can buy special features through the app to enhance their performance.
GPS chips are used to map a player's real-life movements onto the game world.
And the Pokemon characters appear through the phone's camera.
But while Pokemon fever spreads around the world, people are finding out there may be some places where searching for Pokemons are inappropriate.
How much longer is this?
The Auschwitz Museum in Poland has asked the company to block players while they visit the former Nazi death camp.
The former Nazi German death camp, Auschwitz-Birkenau, is not only just a museum today, it is above all a place of remembrance, a place where people come not only to find out history, but they come from moments of meditation, reflection, often for prayer.
It is inconceivable that we should treat this place as a place for games or to have fun.
I was also banned from Arlington National Cemetery and the Holocaust Museum in New York.
Well, let's just talk about this for a moment.
Do you have more clips?
Because I don't have any clips.
That's all I got.
I just thought the Holocaust Museum was choice.
I'll just give the backgrounder that's been circling around, of course.
The big conspiracy is that Niantic Corp., which is a fully owned subsidiary of Alphabet, I guess, Google, And the guy who founded that company and thus made the game for Nintendo, he had previously created Keyhole, which of course was funded by In-Q-Tel, which is the CIA venture capital arm.
So of course this is all a psyops to get everyone's information, which is what all apps are these days, to get everybody's information.
They need more information.
Yeah, I mean, and of course, they made a mistake.
And if you logged, because their servers were overloaded, and if you logged in through your Gmail account, it had access to everything.
Does anyone have any illusion that the alphabet companies don't share information amongst each other?
And that's why, you know, certain warnings about what permissions you were giving away didn't pop up.
That's all, you know, we know.
This is Google.
This is what Google does.
And it's a tremendous opportunity for Nintendo.
I think it's great, and I think the end is definitely near.
As you said, people were congregating in places, and just, it's zombies.
It's complete zombification.
And everybody was ready for it.
The kids were ready, not just kids.
They're ready for it.
They wanted this.
And it makes me very happy because I think we immediately show that virtual reality is not going to take off.
The augmented reality are the games that are going to really engage people and turn them into zombies.
Well, this game definitely did the job.
It's engaged everybody.
Everybody who gets into it's all...
In fact, the guy used the word addicted.
My kids, who one of them, you know, 30-year-olds.
Well, Jay's 22, but Jaycee's 30.
They're all into this game to such an extreme where we had dinner.
That's all they talk about.
What about this?
What about that?
How can you upgrade this?
How can I make it do that?
How can I do this?
How can I do that?
Because there's a lot of apparently little...
You can buy stuff, right?
You can buy stuff in the game.
Yeah, but they avoid that because they're Dvorak's.
They're half Dvorak's, clearly, because the fact that playing it at all is troublesome.
Yeah, that's a problem.
But there's apparently a lot of idiosyncratic things you can do if you know how to do this.
You turn left and you twist the thing, you turn it around, you flip it.
There's all these things you can do to get more points and all the rest of it.
Or to turn it into something else which allows you to do something more interesting.
I don't have a clue.
This is why I'm overhearing this discussion as though it's important.
I think it's socially interesting.
I'm really trying to figure out what is going on with the...
First of all, Pokemon by itself is something that has been bubbling under in culture for so long.
My daughter, who's going to be 26, she of course played Pokemon when she was in grade school, maybe even kindergarten.
So I understand why this is all of a sudden, boop, it's like binary.
You know, you get them ready in the beginning and then a couple years later, you launch this.
I agree, and I think that because Jay, my daughter, was a big Pokemon player when she was a kid.
I don't remember JC, and I'm absolutely sure Eric, never played Pokemon.
It was too much of a kid's game when it came out.
But this has transcended Pokemon to higher age groups that never played the game.
So I'm only half in agreement with that thesis.
I love the...
The slew of articles coming out about how Pokemon Go has mental health benefits.
Yeah.
I know.
Well, the reason why it has or why it is claimed to have mental health benefits is because walking around exercise by itself is good against depression.
Just getting out and being amongst people.
I'd say that's reasonably provable.
But when you see people saying, oh, you know, I have borderline disorder, depression, anxiety, this really helped me get out of the house.
As someone with anxiety and depression, the fact that I've spent most of this weekend outside with friends is unreal.
Hashtag Pokemon Go!
Woo!
But it's a very, very sad statement.
Where we're at now, right now.
Well, yes, it is.
But...
Even so, I mean, I don't know where this is going to lead.
I already know it's led to people getting killed on the road, people stop their car on the freeway because there's a Pokemon standing there on the highway for some stupid reason.
Why they're looking at their phone while they're driving is another thing.
It's illegal.
I just find it's a very weird phenomenon.
I see it more as...
Mimi sees it as like a pet rock phenomenon.
No, no, no.
Way beyond that.
Of course, augmented reality, which I've been touting for at least five or six years, saying that's really what's interesting.
And we have a couple of apps...
Like flight radar, we can point it at the sky.
You can do the same with your, you know, look at the constellation of the stars.
I love the idea of what Microsoft was up to with its latest iteration of some goggles of some sort with things where you'd be in your own house and you'd be wearing these things and then some monster would come through the wall and try to kill you.
I thought that was kind of a unique idea.
And this is, of course, something of a lesser version of that because this is augmented reality.
You got a little Pokemon standing in the road there.
So what?
I think the best augmented reality was really documented in the book Damon.
And I think that would be the step that we'd be looking forward to is where you have your...
Well, let's just forget goggles and all this and Google Glass, but...
You just hold up your phone, you look at a crowd of people, and above the people pops up a little balloon that's who this person is, what their status is, maybe in the game or whatever, or just social status.
There's a number of things.
This is the path forward for the technology industry, not virtual reality.
That's really the takeaway from this, is look at the excitement.
Look at how people are so into this.
Good, bad, or indifferent versus virtual reality.
I was like, yeah, it's kind of cool.
A lot of people also get sick from virtual reality.
There's really too much illness that's caused by those glasses.
It's too high a number.
It's like 10% of the population or something.
There's a lot of people that get either seasick or they get headaches or things happen from wearing virtual reality gear.
Well, we definitely need a no-agenda version of this.
Where, you know, you look at people and the little tag pops up for their douchebag or not.
That'd be good.
Just, hey, look at that guy over there!
Douchebag!
Okay.
Well, of course we could do an augmented audio reality when I think about it.
How does that work?
I don't know yet, but it just popped into my head.
I can see where you're listening on your headphones and you're hearing different sounds mixed in with what's really happening.
I don't know.
There's a lot to this, but...
So what can we conclude from this?
I don't...
I find it annoying.
Well, what we conclude is that people are slaves to their device.
And you can get them to do almost anything, go almost anywhere, and spend money.
I mean, that's kind of the whole thing behind, oh, go to this location, then you need to buy lures or whatever the things are, and then you can bring the Pokemons out to kill them.
And I haven't played the game, haven't loaded up.
Bring the Pokemons out to kill.
I don't know, whatever.
I want my killer Pokemon.
Pokemon.
Yeah, but you're in the 80s.
Yeah.
I think this is a real phenomenon.
I think it's a game changer for the technology industry.
John, the number one app today is Snapchat.
What do people love about it?
It's augmented reality.
Because you're putting mustaches on you.
You're making your face go crazy.
Anything but actual reality.
There's your takeaway.
Ah, okay.
I think you brought the Snapchat.
I think you saved a bit there.
Yeah, there you go.
With the Snapchat thing.
It's true.
It's true, because Snapchat, that's all it is.
Let's make myself look like a dog.
You know, so why?
Yeah.
And of course, there's tons of revenue for this.
It's great.
It's great.
It keeps people very busy.
Yeah, so they don't notice that they're in a depression.
Yeah, or, you know, that there's a...
Yes, exactly.
It's escapism.
It's the best form.
It's the old folkies that get me.
I'm kind of amused by it because of being one myself, in this case.
Ah, this is dumb.
Pretty much it.
It's dumb.
And it is, by the way, I think.
Well, now we can transition, thank goodness.
Into old fogies and technology.
Bill Maher was on Larry O'Donnell's show.
Lawrence O'Donnell.
Lawrence.
Is it not Larry?
It's Lawrence?
Yeah, it's Lawrence.
Lawrence.
Readjust my mic here.
Lawrence O'Donnell.
And he had a lot to say.
Most of it incredibly bullcrap.
And, of course, being a good obot, he needs to really explain to the people on MSNBC that Hillary meant no harm with her emails.
But the way he explained it was rather interesting.
It's a hard thing for her, I think, especially for anybody, to explain the fact of why you're not credible with people when you're running for president.
But it also is true that she has been demonized more than anybody else for the last entire quarter century.
Really?
More than anyone else?
Yeah, I guess.
As far as the emails go, I think mostly what that is is an elderly person.
And again, we're not bashing the elderly here.
There you are.
Bernie for real action.
But as far as technology goes, they're not great at it.
I'm not great at it.
So I think she probably just didn't understand that much what she was doing.
You think that's the reason she has a low number there?
I think the important thing is what was the...
That's not Lawrence O'Donnell.
That's your buddy Chris.
Oh, Chris Matthews, I'm sorry.
Yeah, Chris Matthews, Lawrence O'Donnell.
Yes, my buddy.
Thanks.
You think that's the reason she has a low number there?
I think the important thing is, what was the intent with the email?
Was the intent something nefarious?
Of course it wasn't.
Yes.
In fact, most of the people in the State Department used a private server because the government server...
You've got to listen to what he's saying before you jump all over.
Just listen to what he's saying.
15 seconds.
When the State Department used a private server because the government server wasn't efficient.
She needed a private server to get her work done.
Because Democrats do work.
Government work.
They don't hate the government.
They actually want to get it done.
She's a wonk who needed something that worked.
Wonk?
That's pretty good.
It's fantastic.
Then this little...
He has his moments of insight and then he just falls back into whatever knee-jerk programming he's been given.
This was all knee-jerk programming.
Here's another one.
I sat there.
Tina and I were watching this.
He was on for the whole show and our mouths were just open with the bull crap he was spewing.
If you look at all the issues that animate the right wing, emails, Benghazi, voter fraud, Planned Parenthood, building a wall, who can go to the bathroom where, what do they all have in common?
They're imaginary.
They're not real.
They don't affect anybody's lives.
They're not actual issues.
Tell that to Ted Stevens.
Benghazi wasn't real.
No, it didn't happen at all.
No, it was imaginary.
But this really is...
Because, you know, nobody heard Comey, I guess.
It's all, hey, no indictment.
Move on.
There was nothing wrong.
It's a little too early for me to throw the view at you.
I think that might hurt a little too much.
I can use it.
I can use it.
I need a slap in the face.
Okay, slap in the face coming.
Stand by.
The problem is, though, that she lied.
So whether or not she got indicted for me...
I think this is the Republican girl on The View.
Isn't there always one Republican girl?
Yeah, there's always one Republican girl.
This is her.
Wait, where did she lie?
She said, I did not send or receive any classified material.
That she knew.
That she knew.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh!
Do you hear Whoopi in the back?
That she knew.
That she knew.
No, that's not what she said.
That's what she says now.
And not only that, but there was a number of, at least three or four items that actually had it written on there.
Oh, we'll get to that.
We'll get to that.
She said, I did not send or receive any classified material.
That she knew.
That she knew.
But she also said that it was...
She had to have known that she did it.
Actually, intent is not written into Title 18.
Intent is written into Title 18 now...
Because it's Hillary Clinton, let's face it.
It's a specific type of crime.
It doesn't have to be written.
The issue for me is not...
She also said she provided all of her work-related emails, but the FBI discovered several thousand work-related emails that were not provided.
No, not several thousand.
She didn't provide them because, like other email users, she deleted them.
So they found stuff that she had already deleted like a year before.
That's what makes this so crazy.
Because what I understand is that these emails are not necessarily classified until after someone is sent them.
What Comey said was that sometimes, which is what I've been saying for a long time, sometimes it's born classified.
And what that means is that it's classified based on content.
The issue is, as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, she's a smart woman, I think she's capable, should have known that by content, that stuff should not have been transmitted over a private server that had very limited security.
But what if she felt that it wasn't classified?
This is the problem.
She should have known.
But even if she says, listen, To me, this isn't classified because of ABC. That's, I mean, if you're the Secretary of State, but here's the problem.
They've classified so many things.
All of it is vague.
They say, well, she might have gotten some and she might have sent it.
Well, which is it?
What did she get?
You know what's shocking to me?
Is that this FBI director is a Republican.
He was appointed by President Bush.
W. W. Bush.
He was confirmed by 93 to 1.
I mean, this is a guy that Republicans should try.
What?
He was put in by Obama.
Hold on.
This is a guy that Republicans should trust, and he said there is no issue here.
I actually don't take it.
There's no case here.
So first of all, Whoopi was in there saying, but where did she lie, baby?
Where did she lie, baby?
I mean, none of these people apparently really looked at anything.
No, they're just getting it from whatever the knee-jerk press is telling them.
Or I don't even know if they read that.
I have no idea.
I think they just talk amongst themselves.
It's beyond me.
So Loretta Lynch was questioned on the Hill.
Actually, I may play that later.
It's all boring.
That was just a throwaway.
Well, actually, this was a little different.
This was a good latte?
Is that how you pronounce his name?
From Virginia?
Don't know.
I think good latte is the way I read it.
This is the Judiciary Committee.
Director Comey stated that was not true.
Do you agree with Director Comey?
Director Comey has chosen to provide great detail into the basis of his recommendations that were ultimately provided to me.
He's chosen to provide detailed statements, and I would refer you to those statements.
I, as Attorney General, am not able to provide any further comment on the facts or the substance of the investigation.
That's really odd.
That was great.
But for her to say that she cannot provide any further information to the judiciary committees, that seems odd to me.
Isn't she exactly the one who could provide more information?
I have no idea what the mechanism is.
Let's try it again.
Well, General Lynch, I think you would agree that the ultimate responsibility for a prosecutorial decision does not rest with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, but with the Department of Justice, which you head.
Have you not taken a close look at the work done by Director Comey, especially given the extreme national interest in this issue, to make a determination yourself whether you and those working for you agree or disagree with Director Comey?
As I've indicated, I received the recommendation of the team, and that team was composed of prosecutors and...
This whole team thing.
It's the team.
It was a team decision.
The team stood behind it.
I was like, you used to wear experienced prosecutors or some of these...
Career.
Career.
And that team was composed of prosecutors and agents.
It was a unanimous recommendation as to how to resolve the investigation and to what the information that they had received...
Do you agree with the conclusion?
And I accepted that recommendation.
I saw no reason not to accept it.
And again, I reiterate my pride and faith in their work.
Secretary Clinton stated...
He asked a different question.
You agree.
Agree and accept is two different things.
She doesn't...
It gets...
He turns it into...
I'm sorry.
Believe me, this is classic, beautiful obfuscation, bureaucratic answers.
This is top drawer.
She obviously has been well-trained.
This is, no, what this is, is the most transparent administration in history.
That's what this is, right here.
It stated that she did not email any classified material, and Director Comey stated there was classified material emailed.
Do you agree with Director Comey's conclusion about that?
Again, I would have to refer you to Director Comey's statements for his recommendation.
Director Comey stated that there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information.
Do you agree with Director Comey's statement?
Again, I would refer you to Director Comey for any further explanation as to the basis for his recommendations.
The recommendation that I received from the team, including Director Comey, was that the investigation be resolved without charges.
Director Comey made a recommendation, but he made a recommendation to the Department of Justice, which you head, and you would have to come to the final conclusion on whether or not to act.
I would presume that before you acted, you would look at his conclusions and determine whether you agreed with them or not.
The question he should have asked is, did you make the decision to not indict?
She's really making it sound like it was all Comey, Comey, Comey.
As I've indicated, I received a briefing from the team, which included not just the prosecutors but the agents and Director Comey.
Their unanimous recommendation was that the matter be resolved in the way in which we've announced, and I accepted that recommendation.
Let me ask you one final question that does not regard the specific facts with regard to Secretary Clinton.
But Director Comey said that there was not clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information.
My question for you is, is intent to violate the law a requirement under 18 U.S.C. Section 793F? Now, this is a question she, as Attorney General, should just answer factually.
Just say, here's what the law states, and here's what, if the case adheres to all these points, then yes, but no.
Well, Congressman, I think the statutes that were considered here speak for themselves.
To answer further would require a discussion of the facts and the analysis of this matter.
Oh, let's not have that.
Which, as I've indicated, I'm not in a position to provide at this time.
Again, I prefer you to Director Comey's discussion for that.
As I've indicated, the team reviewed this matter, and it was a unanimous team decision.
What is this team bullshit all of a sudden?
I'm wondering about that myself.
And she keeps saying, by the way...
The team has all had to sign non-disclosure documents.
So I think there were other non-FBI people there who may not have been under the already existing oath of their function.
So when you say team, team, you know, she said, yeah, career politicians and, you know, just team.
The whole team thing is irksome.
And you made a decision following their recommendation to you that you were not going to prosecute and the matter was closed.
Is that correct?
I made the decision some time ago that I would accept the recommendation of that team and was awaiting that recommendation.
When I received it, there was no basis not to accept it.
And again, I reiterate my pride and faith in them.
Pride and faith in them?
She has pride and faith.
Pride and faith.
What would the pride have to do with it?
The team is probably gay guys and pastors.
I don't know.
Pride and faith.
Who knows?
Well, thank you.
I appreciate your faith in them.
The concern here is regard to your sworn oath to uphold the United States Constitution and the laws thereunder, including 18 U.S.C. Section 793F and 18 U.S.C. Section 1924.
And to conclude that no prosecution would take place without examining and drawing conclusions regarding the questions that I've just asked does not seem to be a responsible way to uphold your constitutionally sworn oath.
I like that.
Okay.
I gave her a little lecture.
Put her on notice, I'd say.
He'll be audited next week.
You took the oath, you know.
You took the oath.
There was an indictment, which is severely underreported, of one of the superdelegates for the Democrats, Florida Democrat Congresswoman Corinne Brown, Who was indicted, I think, on 24 or 26 counts of fraud, basically using a slush fund for her own personal benefit.
And of course, she's a superdelegate, so we're not going to talk about that too much.
But the report, something very interesting.
Let the work I've done speak for me.
The normally outspoken Congresswoman Brown had little to say as she emerged from court today.
My heart is just really heavy.
This has been a very difficult time for me.
Brown and her chief of staff are accused of using a bogus charity as a political slush fund.
Earlier this year, Nine Investigates raised questions about Brown's charity, One Door for Education.
The feds, in the indictment, say one door served as a revolving door.
Cash donations solicited by Congresswoman Brown would flow in, and cash withdrawals from DC area ATMs would flow out and into personal accounts belonging to Brown and her chief of staff.
The feds also say Brown's chief of staff set up a family member with a no-show job in Brown's congressional office, paying that family member three-quarters of a million dollars over 15 years.
Today, Brown said if the Department of Justice had spent more time investigating terrorism instead of her, the victims of the Pulse nightclub shooting would still be alive.
These are the same agents that was not able to do a thorough investigation of the agent, and we ended up with 50 people dead.
Um, because the agents were too busy investigating her, they couldn't investigate the agent in Orlando when 50 people wound up dead.
Whoa.
Wow, that's a defense.
But also, what agent?
Is she saying the shooter in Orlando was an agent?
Or what exactly is she saying?
I don't know.
Play that clip again, that last part.
Hold on a second.
What's she bitching about?
I just dumped it.
Sorry.
Hold on.
Where was it now?
Here we go.
Let me see if I can fast forward.
Let the work I've done speak for me.
The normally outspoken congresswoman...
I gotta fast forward to the end.
It's not working.
Forget it.
But no, what she said is very clear.
It was the same agents who were investigating her wasting their time, apparently...
If they had been spending their time investigating the agent in Orlando, then 50 people wouldn't be dead.
I'm not quite sure what she means, but I'd love to know more.
This is ridiculous.
I would love to hear more about that, for sure.
Well, it's like the other one that just suppressed stories.
The guy they gunned down in the streets outside of, you know, this DNC computer guy.
Yeah.
Those guys, what's his name?
Seth Conrad Rich.
I have a report.
Oh, good.
Play that.
It was about 4.19 in the morning.
Seth Rich was on his way home.
He was talking to his girlfriend on his cell phone.
In fact, she said she heard some noise in the background.
She asked if he was all right.
He said, don't worry, I'll be home soon.
You see, he only lives about a block and a half away.
But Seth Rich, he never made it home.
He was jumped, pushed to the ground, and shot twice in the back.
Today, I talked to his mom by phone.
They took his life for literally no reason.
They didn't finish robbing him.
They just took his life.
And they hurt the community, and they hurt the long-term possibility of what he could have done.
So what is being said here is because his knees were scraped and his hands were scraped that he was not robbed of his possessions, that it was a robbery gone wrong.
And they shot him in the back, or the head.
What I read is, that's execution style.
There's no robbery gone bad.
You're on your knees, and boom boom, two to the head, right in the back of the head.
In D.C., where, you know, you can't just go walking around with guns or buy guns that easily or have them carry them.
They've got some of the strictest gun laws in D.C. And, of course, there you have it.
But he was in charge of...
Data analysis, I think, for the DNC. Data analysis and voter.
He also has something to do with increasing the voter turnout or something.
There's some voter angle and people think he maybe stumbled onto some vote rigging system or he's part of a vote rigging system.
He wouldn't play the game.
He wouldn't play ball.
And they killed him.
I mean, that's actually what I think.
I think you're right.
It seems very obvious.
And I only say that because there was a number of reports out about exit polls versus reality.
And there were a number of anomalous states.
We have to look into this again because this is going to happen with Hillary.
She's got a bunch of states rigged.
And the Democrats are known for this.
That's how Kennedy got into office in Illinois.
He won in Illinois because the votes were rigged by the mob.
And give us the back story on that.
Well, Kennedy was not going to beat Nixon in that 1960 election and he...
There was a deal that was done with the Daily guys, and Illinois was thrown for Kennedy just enough to get him over the top so he could win the election.
And that's a well-known thing, and that hooked up Kennedy.
I mean, Kennedy had some obligation to the mob that had fixed Illinois votes for him.
Well, then how come Trump can't do the same?
He's got the same mob guys behind him.
I don't know that Trump can't do the same.
Okay.
We don't have a clue whether Trump can do the same or not.
He might be better at it than Hillary, but we know Hillary's been doing it in certain states that she shouldn't have won, or a state like New York where there's a whole bunch of votes that disappeared, or a state like California where Bernie should have won and didn't.
So this whole thing is out of control.
Yeah.
Yeah, yes.
Yes.
We don't know where Trump is on this.
We don't know if he even knows about it.
I mean, he seems isolated in some ways, but then again, if he's mobbed up, which is suspected, which makes nothing but sense to anyone who has a logical thought.
Anyone who knows real estate in New York City.
In New York City, Manhattan.
Hello.
You...
You might suspect that he does have some mechanisms that could counter the Hillary mechanisms, which I think are in existence.
And then we've got this dead guy.
With this dead guy, does that mean that they don't have their guy who pulls the levers anymore?
I don't think he was the guy.
This has been going on for years.
This has got to be somebody else.
I think he may either stumble on something, wouldn't play ball.
He was brought in to do the job.
He wouldn't do it.
I have no idea who's going to blow the whistle.
We don't know.
He's dead.
Then, of course, something fantastic happened, which, as far as I know, hasn't really happened this way, when Supreme Court Justice Ruth Ginsburg came out and talked about Donald Trump being fake.
Yeah, I have a CBS report.
I was hoping you had a background.
Which one is that?
Well, let's see.
I think I got two.
Okay, yeah.
ABC report.
I've seen ABC report.
Yeah, play that one.
Now to Donald Trump tonight, demanding an apology this evening from Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg after what she said about him.
ABC's Tom Yamas on the Trump campaign.
Tonight, Donald Trump in a supreme fight with Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg after she told the New York Times, quote, I can't imagine what this place would be.
I can't imagine what the country would be with Donald Trump as our president.
She didn't stop there, telling CNN he is a faker.
He has no consistency about him.
He says whatever comes into his head at the moment.
He really has an ego.
How has he gotten away with not turning over his tax returns?
But what is she talking about?
It's not...
It's not a requirement.
Very odd.
Her comments, an unprecedented attack by a Supreme Court justice in the modern era on a presidential candidate.
Trump calling it a disgrace and highly inappropriate, adding, I would hope she would get off the court as soon as possible.
The grapple with Ginsburg comes as Trump prepares to announce his running mate.
Tonight, he's in Indiana with the state's governor, Mike Pence, who's on the short list.
They've disagreed in the past, but when I asked Pence about it, he insisted he could still serve Trump.
The tweet that Trump sent out that I liked the most was not in that report.
I could have read it myself.
I think it's funnier when someone on the network...
You know, it was only...
That, what you're talking about, she's lost her mind.
No, no, no.
And Trump getting even more critical this morning, sending out this tweet.
Here it is.
He writes, Justice Ginsburg of the U.S. Supreme Court has embarrassed all by making very dumb political statements about me.
Her mind is shot.
Resign.
His mind is shot.
That's it.
Her mind is shot.
Her mind is shot.
And I love that.
I didn't know that the Yamas did that, but I know Amy Goodman played that one.
And then Amy Goodman found another one.
I didn't clip it because the clip was ruined by overmodulation to be technical.
She said another one.
And she says, Ginsburg also made this comment, which none of the news networks play, which is, all I know is that the next president...
She will do blah, blah, blah, indicating Hillary.
I saw this morning a news blurb came in that she apparently regrets what she said.
I think her mind is shot.
I agree.
She's so old on there.
Stop, stop, stop.
Hold on a second.
First of all, 83 isn't so old.
I've seen Lair, the old guy who did the Archie Bunker show, whatever it was called, All in the Family.
He was on the other night on one of the shows.
She's 92.
Very erudite.
She's 92.
Fine.
She is like the deer in a headlight.
She's very frail.
And I never thought she was that bright to begin with.
And I will point out, she's had a lot of work done on her face.
No.
Yes.
Yeah, y'all had a long conversation the other night about this.
Oh, yeah.
No Botox in the forehead, but oh, yeah.
Definitely has had work done.
Her nickname was Kiki.
Oh, really?
Yeah, she's actually Kiki.
Kiki?
Yeah.
Hmm.
I know that from one of her good friends.
Well, do we play the second half of your report here?
The second half is mostly about Pence and Trump's VP pick.
You might as well play it.
Really?
You don't have to play it.
It's an optional.
Well, you sounded like you weren't for it.
I wanted to go into some of the responses.
Oh, yeah.
Now, stick with this.
And I think that, you know, quite fairly, even the Clinton News Network, with our friend Toobin, who is usually a douche knuckle, he was, I think he was on the money.
Is there any chance that she would resign?
No, I don't think there's any chance she will resign, but I think it's appropriate to criticize her about this.
This is not how Supreme Court justices have talked traditionally.
They do not get involved in day-to-day political controversies.
They do not endorse or unendorse candidates.
And I think there are lots of good reasons for that, not least of which...
Something involving the election may come before the Supreme Court in a Bush v.
Gore type case.
And I think she'd have to recuse herself at this point.
I just think, as someone who is a great admirer of Justice Ginsburg, she is completely wrong in this situation and she should not be making these sorts of political statements.
But there is no official code of conduct.
No.
There you go.
I agree with this.
There's no official code of conduct.
I think these guys should say whatever they feel like saying.
I'm completely on the other side.
I haven't made this decision lightly.
I think she can say whatever she wants, and if she wants to show herself as some sort of a bigot, a pro-Hillary supporter, she has every right to do that, and so are all the other justices.
Yeah.
Yeah, they're talking about making that, of course, that would never pass muster, certainly on the Supreme Court, you know, stifling them of free speech.
Right.
Yeah, was it, who was the guy who was mouthing off at the President, President Obama, during one of his State of the Union speeches?
Oh, you're talking about the congressman that yelled liar?
No, no, no.
One of the Supreme Court justices was, like, mouthing something like, you douchebag or something.
Oh, I think it was Kennedy.
I don't remember which one, but there was somebody, they were down in front.
I think it was Kennedy, you're right.
He was criticizing the Supreme Court, so one of them turned over to talk to the other and said, this guy's full of shit.
I don't think he even showed up at the next event.
So, okay, so you think, well, then they all should come out and say something, but...
If they don't want to, they don't have to.
Is there not some kind of, there's no code for judges?
No, and you can't fire them.
You can't recall him.
Can you impeach your Supreme Court justice?
No, not that I know of.
I don't think there's any mechanism.
Hmm.
Huh.
I think the other court members can censure the bad actor, but that would just be internal.
I don't think anybody can do anything.
I think they're just stuck in there.
And if they want to mouth off and say, I think Hillary's great because she's a woman, which is pretty much what this Ginsburg person thinks, I think she has every right in the world to call out Trump as a douchebag.
I believe that she really helped Trump with this.
I think so, too.
I think she really helped him.
Because most, even, you know, obots here on CNN are saying, well, she shouldn't have done that.
That's no good.
I'm actually stunned.
Even Harry Reid came out and said, I'm not going to comment on this.
No one will defend her.
I'm defending her.
And I don't like her.
But I'll defend her.
I think she can say whatever she wants.
What difference does it make?
And why is everybody all worked up about it?
Because it's good for Trump.
That's probably the real reason.
That's why they're all worked up about it.
It's good for Trump.
That's probably right.
Yeah, come on.
He had the line of the week.
Her mind is shot.
Her mind is shot.
Come on.
That's dynamite.
That's really smart.
I really enjoyed that, yeah.
Anyway, so we had just tons and tons of town halls to have a conversation.
To solve everything in the world.
Solve all of our problems.
And I watched two of them.
Very painful.
Actually, I'll start with the MTV BET Town Hall.
Which I found to be much better than any others.
The language was very frank, and it was also endorsed by the administration.
So they did a combo deal, MTV and Black Entertainment Television, owned by MTV Network, so it's all the same company.
Live show, they had...
Yeah, pretty good mix of millennials there.
And, of course, our Attorney General called in to the show to make sure that everyone knows it's an official town hall.
Joining us right now by phone is Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who has a message for everybody watching.
Well, thank you so much.
Thank you so much, crew.
It is such a pleasure and an honor to join you.
Let me thank MTV. Let me thank BET for hosting this forum.
But most importantly, let me thank everyone who is tuning in.
This is the conversation that we have to have, and you are the group that we have to have this conversation with, because you are the ones who are going to carry this torch.
Okay, so an endorsement there from the Attorney General, and a number of interviews.
I pulled out a couple short quotes, little clips.
This is Pusha T. Pusha T. Who doesn't know him?
Rap star extraordinaire.
Not seeming to stop, and I don't think it's gonna stop until we find someone to actually police the police.
Mm.
Black Panther style, basically.
I mean, I'm not even saying that.
I mean, whatever style.
I mean, it's a free-for-all, and obviously just doing whatever they like.
That blue wall of silence.
We gotta tell you that blue wall of silence is done.
Absolutely.
Like, that alone makes the police, you know, makes them untrustworthy.
It makes the police a gang.
So this conversation that everyone was having was no more than this for hours and hours.
Angry people, angry people.
Oh, let's hug and we need to start the conversation.
It was really...
And not a single time was I able to count anyone saying my country, our country.
I think we would do very well if we all started by...
Stop calling it this country.
I know that it's weird that I'm stumbling over this, but I think really it really would be a good start if we all took ownership of our country and said there's like some inanimate object over there.
It's this country, this country, this country.
It really irks me, as you can tell.
Okay, so here's another African-American millennial.
What's going on?
In our community, in our society, and you see people getting so riled up about the loss of lives of dogs and gorillas, and then they hunt us down like dogs and gorillas, and nobody wants to say anything.
Nobody.
Huts down gorillas.
Well, I understand what he's saying.
The outrage over a gorilla being shot to death is so much larger, according to this particular millennial, than black youths being shot by the police.
Yeah.
Or if someone's dog gets killed because the cops are issuing a search warrant.
Cops kill too many dogs.
That's a real problem.
Yeah, sure.
Of course, they had some white kids in there.
Here we go.
Help us understand what white privilege is.
A whole bunch of white folks say, I ain't got no privilege.
I'm poor.
I'm from the South.
I'm struggling.
I ain't got no privilege.
What do you say to those people?
Well, I think that I understand where they're coming from.
I think that the term white privilege has kind of been twisted in all sorts of ways.
And I get that.
But at the end of the day, there are so many ways in which this country was founded to benefit a very specific group of people.
White people.
White people.
Yeah, say it.
And men, too.
Well, white, straight, Christian men, right?
And if I can't be honest about the fact that I've fallen to many of those categories, that doesn't make me a bad person.
I was not responsible for that.
But I have to realize the way in which the system is going to treat me very differently.
I was going to say, how does anyone here know that it was only for white, straight Christian men?
I'm pretty sure that Ben Franklin swung back and forth between teams.
But who knows?
We know for a fact that Buchanan, a president, the one that preceded Lincoln, was gay and lived with a guy in the White House.
Oh, I didn't know that.
First gay president.
Nobody talks about it.
Who was that?
You don't have to elect a gay president.
You had one.
Wait, who was that?
Buchanan?
Yeah.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, totally gay.
Oh.
And known by everybody's being gay or, you know, they never talked about it that much.
I mean, Cassius Clay, the guy I always talk about has a cannon in his front yard.
His daughter...
Was his daughter or his sister?
I think...
Oh, now I have to stop and look it up.
I think it was his sister or his daughter.
Was incredibly...
Major league lesbian.
Huge lesbian.
If you saw...
She's a little petite woman.
She's about four and nine.
Everyone was short back then.
They didn't end up vitamin B. But they...
She was a lesbian big time.
She was a woman's rights person and the whole thing.
It was just...
There's a bunch of that going on.
So what?
Nobody gave as much of a crap about it as they do today.
But yes, Buchanan.
Gay.
Right.
But to say that this country was built only to serve the white, straight Christian men is just...
It's bullshit.
It's bigotry.
They hate whitey.
Well, this is...
White hate...
Here's a white girl.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I think it's really terrifying to look at what's happening right now and think, you know, maybe I have some part in this, not as an individual, of course, but as a system of whiteness that has conferred privileges to me and my family for generations.
To sort of look at that, to look at what's happening and think, you know, what am I supposed to do?
That's terrifying.
But it's great that there's a lot of resources for young white people who are trying to figure out what to do.
Yeah, these resources.
Yeah, a resource for white.
Self-loathing white.
It's a carryover from the liberal, self-loathing Jew.
It is not an outrageous phenomenon.
It's just annoying as hell.
There is...
I don't know if you saw the white boy privilege slam poetry piece, which is just about everywhere.
It was just some kid.
I looked at the kid and said, is this kid actually white?
He looks like a Latino.
Italian.
That's one other thing.
When I get to Don Lemon's thing, I'll talk about it.
But we could just for a second go off for one second here.
Oh wait, you're going to talk about how Latinos are white in one situation and then they're not in another situation where we need to use the racist label.
Yeah, we'll do that in a moment.
Okay, that's been bothering me too.
That's a big one, yeah.
I want to start first with this white boy.
Let me see.
I have a couple of clips.
Because it was everywhere.
It really kind of exploded.
Yeah, it had some PR behind it.
I'm not sure.
Oh, it definitely had some PR behind it.
Let me see.
The first clip I have...
Okay, this is CBS. Here we go.
White boy privilege was an entry in a school poetry contest.
To be honest, I'm scared of what it would be like if I wasn't on the top rung, if the tables were turned and I didn't have my white boy privilege safety blankie to protect me.
Royceman's message was a plea from a 14-year-old white male going to a private school in Atlanta.
Let everyone share his privileges.
I'm just trying to be truthful about how I wouldn't trade places with somebody and that I think a lot of people sometimes aren't so truthful about that.
I have the full poetry slam this kid did, which is interesting to listen to in its entirety.
We could listen to it later if you want.
But he was interviewed on CNN and this kind of revealed where all of this is coming from.
When did the idea come that you're going to tackle that terminology, white boy privilege?
How long has this message been stirring?
I knew about white privilege and male privilege for most of my life, but I never realized how prevalent it was in our society until this year when I went to a new school called the Paideia School, and we take a class called Race, Class, and Gender.
This, I think, is where we need to go looking.
There you go.
Race, class, and gender.
This is being taught in school, being taught that white privilege is real, and we have to continuously do something about that.
I think it's one thing to say racism is real and we need to do something about it, but to turn that around and say white privilege is real is disturbing to me.
And that really made me a lot more aware of the privileges that I have that other people don't often have, many other people don't have.
There are definitely some people who do deny that white privilege and male privilege exist.
And I think that's because they choose to not see it in our world.
They choose to see the progress that we have made.
And a lot of kids, they learn these days when they're learning about the civil rights movement, for example, it's sort of put into their heads that now we're all equal.
And there's so much progress has been made, but there's still a long way to go.
So who's your audience?
This kid is clearly a robot.
It's great!
They really nailed him.
They found the right kid, brainwashed him, he's got this feel, he's dynamite.
He's an 8th grader.
He speaks very astutely for an 8th grader.
But this race, class, and gender, I'd really like to know more about what is being taught.
Racism, sure.
All kinds of racism.
All kinds of problems.
But we're teaching our kids that it's their fault because of their privilege.
I do take issue with that.
Back to the MTV BET Town Hall.
This is the best.
I really love this clip for a number of reasons.
So we've had a number of black kids, we've had the white boy, the white girl, and now we have a black transgender.
We are at war.
But it's not a war that we're going to win with guns or violence.
It's a war that we have to fight with love.
The reality is that many of the freedom fighters who we look up to today, Harriet Tubman and Nat Turner, they would have been considered terrorists.
And so when we take a look at what's going on, now more than ever, we have to recognize that these issues are interconnected.
I went down to Orlando to get information, as Beyonce says.
But what they're not telling us Is that the police killed the majority of the people at Pulse that night while trying to enter into the club.
And it's the same thing we were fighting against in 1969 at Stonewall.
So Black Lives Matter has three points.
We need to defund, demilitarize, and disarm the police.
All right.
I love the...
He brought the thing in that we brought up on our show and nobody else has discussed, which is the cops killed everybody, which is the only thing that makes logical sense if you follow the timeline and listen to the barrage of bullets that they fired, which we had on the show.
And then he talks about demilitarizing the police, which is a huge problem.
So we had an incident local...
I think it was in Calistoga or something.
I tweeted.
It was some small podunk town somewhere on the west coast.
And there was some manhunt for some guy who robbed a bank or something.
And they brought out all this army gear just short of a tank.
But they had this big...
I don't even know what the hell it was.
It was just a big metal looking thing with a big...
Dish on the top of it, and a bunch of guys hanging off of it.
It was in camouflage, and this was in some little town, just trying to track some minor criminal down.
I watched this, and it was like, holy crap!
Talk about overkill.
And that's, I think, he's dead on about demilitarizing the police.
The U.S. government, thanks to Obama and Bush to a lesser extent, have given all this gear to these local police departments, and You can't say it enough.
This has got to be taken away from them.
Demilitarized?
I don't think disarming is a good idea, but demilitarizing...
No, no, disarming is no good.
Although the police were never armed in the early days.
I would be remiss...
We're not in England.
No.
I would be remiss in this segment if we didn't play a bit about the Harvard study.
the Harvard study that flies in the face of all these so-called facts that have been propagated on, just in general, in the media in general, cops kill black people, cops kill black people, cops kill black people.
Here's MSNBC.
This is the British reporter who I think she does stuff in the morning.
The study focused on more than 1,300 shootings, fatal and non-fatal, in 10 police departments in Texas, Florida, and California.
The New York Times reports, quote...
In shootings in these ten cities involving officers, officers were more likely to fire their weapons without having first been attacked when the suspects were white.
The study was conducted by Roland Fryer, the youngest African American to receive tenure at Harvard, who called it the most surprising result of his career.
Okay, so that's a Harvard study.
And we heard exactly what's in it.
And here's how the panel on MSNBC responded to this.
Each number surprised me.
It's a study that I'd love to see replicated.
This is Eugene, I guess, from Washington Post.
I'd love to see replicated.
I'd love to see some backup.
Because, frankly, a lot of people will find it hard to believe.
And I find it hard to comport with the reality that we see.
Yeah.
That we see on television, not necessarily reality.
It's the reality you see on television.
If you look qualitatively at these incidents that we have seen over the last few years...
The fuck does that mean, if you look at it qualitatively?
What does that mean?
Well, it means the level of quality is what it refers to.
So he's saying the Harvard study by a black grad student is shit.
That would actually be a highly qualitative study, because it's a quality study, we think, although he's questioning it or something.
I don't know why he's using that word.
...at these incidents that we have seen over the last few years.
It's difficult to find...
Parallel situations in which white suspects have been killed.
One of the issues about that study, first of all, I got a headache.
It's giving them headaches, John.
They cannot, when facts are presented, facts, they get a headache from it.
I can't handle it.
This can't be true.
Which white suspects have been killed?
One of the issues about that study, first of all, I got a headache reading it.
I had trouble following it, usually.
One of the problems with studies like that is it takes our eye off the ball.
I mean, we refer to studies instead of the reality.
So, reality in this case...
That's great.
Do I get anything for that?
Well, wait, hold on a second.
I know you were setting it up.
No, no, no, no, I wasn't.
I just realized how good that clip really was.
That clip is good.
Give yourself a clip of the day.
Oh, thank you.
When we look at the...
So he uses reality as television.
Yes, this is...
Now, this is the point that we need to make.
The Democratic Party...
And we were thinking it was going to be women.
That's how they were going to destroy the Republican Party.
But they did something much better and turned it into race.
And we've seen this this entire election cycle.
We've seen Republicans are racist.
Donald Trump is racist.
Republicans are racist.
Republicans are racist.
And that is exactly why the reality for people...
Is that more black people are killed, hunted down for sport by the police.
That is exactly what has happened.
I love that one, by the way.
You've got to make that hunted down as sport.
I'll play it later.
I think this is a blunder, if you're saying what I think you're saying.
Well, hold on one sec.
Hold on one sec.
So, let's listen to, let's just go back briefly to Bill Maher.
And again, I'm quite convinced that the Democrats wanted to destroy the Republican Party.
They figured out the race was the way to go.
And just listen to Bill Maher.
I know they hate to hear.
That's the one thing.
Who, by the way, gave a million dollars for Obama's re-election.
I hate to hear.
And I would never say that all Republicans are racist.
But if you are a racist and you're looking for a political party, this is the obvious choice.
The mousetrap, at least.
Right.
Here, eat this cheese.
But it's not just Trump.
I mean, if you watch the Republican debates, they all follow this script of restore America.
I want my country back.
It's subtle, but it's not even that subtle.
They talk about Obama and his presidency as if it just never even existed.
To me, there's something racist there.
They say things like, we've got to put America back to work.
Yeah, did that.
That actually happened.
We put America back.
We've got to rebuild our depleted military.
What planet is he on?
This is number one.
So he clearly believes the unemployment numbers are true and that everyone's back at work and there should be no problem, thanks Obama.
That actually happened.
We put America back.
We want to rebuild our depleted military.
We didn't deplete the military.
It went up under Obama like it went up under every president.
You know, my explanation for birtherism, if there is one, is that he's playing to people who want to believe that somehow you can put an asterisk next to Obama.
Exactly.
And you notice that Matthews here pivots from Meyer talking about the Republican Party, and then he pivots into he.
Pivots it right into Trump.
Exactly.
And he wasn't really...
When you showed that little book of color pictures of presidents to the kids at first learning about civics, and you go through all the pictures from John Adams all the way through, and William Henry Harrison, and they all look white.
And then you get to this guy.
They want to be able to say, like, you know, like...
No, they just don't like the idea of a black family eating off the White House China.
You just talked over the punchline.
They just don't like the idea of a black family eating off the White House china.
They can couch it any way they want, but it just did not go down well with them.
That's pretty outrageous.
That's the most offensive thing he could have possibly said.
Does he actually believe that?
I think he does.
That people are sitting around stewing in their own juices.
They voted for the guy.
It was the white public that voted Obama in, and a lot of Republicans included.
Yeah.
But that's, but according to him, no, that's not true.
Everyone's sitting around, you know, grinding their teeth.
Yeah.
Because, and they don't, oh my God, there's a picture of him now that's going to be in that hallway with all the presidents, and there's going to be a big picture of this black guy, and that's going to really bug him.
And this is also, I think, somewhat, a little transference involved here.
It's like, if you think that's going to bug him, then a woman becoming the president.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And to bring that up, I do have something to talk about Cameron later.
Cameron, when he gave his last little...
His little goodbye?
I'd like to point out that we correctly predicted Theresa May would be the next Prime Minister.
Yeah, well, it was obvious.
So he says that, and we did correctly predict, he says, Cameron says, well, now we're going to be happy to have Theresa May, our second Prime Minister.
That makes us 2-0.
2-0?
Yeah.
Oh, because the other party has none?
No.
Well, that could be, but I took it because I kept hearing these slights against the United States.
Oh!
Maybe it was me.
Maybe it was me.
That's our special relationship.
Because I heard other stuff that he kept saying.
He kept these little slights.
And that was one of, now we're 2-0.
Maybe it was over labor.
Labor has never produced a female prime minister.
That's true.
That could be.
But you can see it either way.
I get it.
Depending on the context.
Yeah.
Now, you remember DeRay McKinnon, who was one of the co-founders of Black Lives Matter.
And maybe we'll do it on Sunday, but I have a complete rundown of all the funding that Into the separate Black Lives Matter groups that are...
And it's not just Soros.
It truly also is Rockefeller Foundation, if you can believe the craziness of that.
I mean, that's something...
It doesn't surprise me.
Most of these big foundations, like Rockefeller Ford Foundation for sure, have all been co-opted by extreme left-wingers.
They've all been co-opted.
The way it works.
Who else would take these jobs?
Yeah.
So, DeRay McKinnon, he was recently arrested in Baton Rouge.
And you recall, this is the guy whose account was hacked into, and I was kicking myself.
We were reading some of these text messages and some of the email messages talking about the summer of chaos and how thousands of people will be bussed into the Republican Convention to create chaos.
Among those text messages was also July 9th and 10th Baton Rouge.
Something big is going to go down.
And I didn't mention it, and I'm kind of kicking myself, because we saw a lot go down in Baton Rouge, including McKinnon, who was arrested.
And he shows up on two shows, and just to give you an idea of the thinking of one of the co-founders and how he speaks, here's the first one with Ashley Banfield, I think, and she brings up a number of his tweets and asks him if this is okay, what he's saying.
Okay, so I respect that opinion.
And when you say that Mayor Giuliani's speech is disgraceful, some say that about your past rhetoric as well.
And I just want to read a couple of your past tweets from April 3rd of last year.
This quote, feared for my life language, is perhaps the new execution motto of America's largest gang, the police.
And then in April, also of last year, the police are killing people.
Officer Friendly is akin to the myth of the American dream.
Seductive, but a deadly illusion nonetheless.
And then May 23rd of last year, the police are engaged in ethnic cleansing America.
That's pretty strong rhetoric coming from you as well.
Do you think it's helpful or do you regret any of those words?
Yeah, so, you know, you think about Officer Friendly, I remember being a kid growing up and learning about Officer Friendly as somebody who was always there to protect me.
And as an adult, what I've seen is Officer Friendly was not there to protect Tamir, was not there to protect Mike Brown, Alton Sterling, or so many other people, Rekia Boyd.
So that is a myth.
And we want to live in a world where that doesn't have to be mythical, but the world we live in right now, that's just not true.
And the other statements that I made, when we think about the one about a gang or fear for your life, it is clear to me that officers did not fear for their life when Tamir was killed.
It is clear to me that Freddie Gray should be alive.
Officers did not fear for their life when he left their custody and died.
So I stand by those words because I know that they are true.
The things he's saying are pretty inflammatory, and I have to correct myself.
The clip I played on the last show from Louisiana where it was, you know, kill the oink oink, fry the bacon, kill the pigs.
That was actually from a year ago.
That wasn't from right after Dallas.
I made a mistake there.
But listen to the next bit from this co-founder of Black Lives Matter on MSNBC.
DeRay, let's talk about the specific details of the arrest.
You say it was unlawful.
Police there are saying...
He was arrested because they blocked the highway when walking down the highway and stopping traffic.
And after they were warned, they were arrested.
It was unlawful.
Police there are saying that they urged you not to go on to a very busy thoroughfare.
You did anyway, and that's why you got arrested.
What was your vantage point?
The police officers were provoking protesters the entire time, and I was just one of the many people they were provoking in order to create a climate of fear and chaos that they could exploit.
Notice the chaos word.
Notice the chaos word.
Remember, summer of chaos.
...in order to create a climate of fear and chaos that they could exploit.
And again, we were all in there because...
This is very good.
He's throwing his baggage onto the cops.
He's saying they want to create an atmosphere of chaos and fear that they can exploit.
flexing their power.
And that's why people are in the streets in the first place, because the police are abusing their power across the country.
So about the Dallas situation, I have far more questions than I have answers at this point.
And I think that that is the same of all of us.
The second part is, remember that we should not have to protest.
We should not be in the streets.
And the movement didn't cause anything.
The police killing people is what caused all of this.
That the movement has been a response to the violence in communities and that people have been organizing for the past two years specifically before a long time because we know our communities can be safer than they are and that the safety of our communities is not predicated on the presence of police.
But with Dallas specifically, again, there are more questions right now than there are answers.
I want to be very clear about what you just said.
You just said that the police, ultimately, you think, are at the root of this and the tensions that are being caused by police?
Again, when we think about Dallas, there are so many questions that we have about the shooter himself, about his motivations, and we don't have enough answers.
So I don't know what else to say besides that, but I do know that we shouldn't have to protest.
So we are only in the streets because Alton and Philando and Rekia and Tamir are dead.
And if they weren't dead, we would not have to be in the streets like this.
These events, they're very well coordinated.
They're everywhere and all over the country.
Yes.
And they are coordinated.
And this guy's good.
Yeah, but I hear here, I hear in this clip...
And by the way, she asked him a question, he answers some other question.
It's very strange.
But he's also saying, I don't know, who was this?
I think the...
The Dallas shooting was clearly not a Black Lives Matter coordinated effort.
And they're confused about it too.
That's what I hear.
So now just to take it into some...
Yeah, I hear the same thing.
Into some real...
I thought it was some good things were said in this Don Lemon town hall.
Although just listening to the opener, I already had a...
I was like, oh God, I want to sit through two hours of this.
Baton Rouge, a routine police call.
And Alton Sterling is dead.
St.
Paul, a routine traffic stop.
And Philando Castile is dead.
Now, routine?
When cops are called in for a man with gun, it's not routine.
When police are pulling someone over because they may be armed robbery suspects, it's not routine.
That was disgusting.
You can say that it was senseless use.
You can say whatever you want, but you can't say, these were routine calls and they wound up dead.
And then we have Lemon.
Let's see, where's Lemon's...
His opener was...
I have too many clips.
I can't find everything.
Here it is.
Nope.
Darn it.
Yes, here we go.
This is Lemon's opening.
Good evening, everyone.
I am so glad that we are doing this this evening.
I'm so thankful that all of you can join us here.
We have a problem in this country.
Americans are dying at the hands of our police.
518 shot and killed in the first six months of this year, on par with last year.
And police...
Well, police are dying to.
28 of them in firearm-related incidents.
A 56% increase over last year.
And it is only July.
Meanwhile, a brand new New York Times poll finds that 69% of Americans say that race relations are bad.
The highest level.
That's since the Rodney King riots back in 1992.
Now, did you hear what I heard?
I heard that killing of cops has doubled, but killing of black civilians is the same.
Yet, we have a problem in this country with the cops killing black people or killing people.
I don't understand how that statistic is not mentioned more often.
This whole thing is, besides being tedious at this point, these meetings, I think you hit the nail long ago and you've kind of gone off the point, which is this is an attempt to defeat Donald Trump.
Yes, but I haven't gotten off the point with these last two clips and then I'm done.
Because we do have problems in our country, in my country, that I'm still very proud of.
And the former Ferguson Police Department chief chef, the sommelier, I think he nailed it.
And there was no follow-up, no other conversation about it, but he nailed it, particularly as Ferguson is an outstanding example of the real problem in my country.
Right.
But is this something that's ingrained?
And I don't think people consciously, I think people, you know, agree with you consciously that police officers are doing this.
But is this something that's ingrained in society?
Is it ingrained in the training?
Is it, are you, you know, those perceptions?
Is Don Lemon actually saying, is racism ingrained in the training at the police department?
Come on.
You know, those perceptions, do they come from the police academy or just being on the force?
I don't think it's ingrained at all.
What I think we have is it was brought to the fore a little while ago, and it's what Chief Brown from Dallas said, is that too much is being put on police officers.
Too much of society's ails.
One of the big problems we had in Ferguson is concentrated poverty, which I think is at the root of the problem.
We're taking poor people and concentrating them in small areas, With HUD programs that are well-intentioned and well-meaning but are unregulated.
So we have the responsibility goes to the police.
So we have elevated crime, broken down families, lack of education, lack of jobs, lack of hope.
There you go.
There you go.
You nailed it.
And when this happens in Latino communities, then Latinos get shot.
And this whole thing started off with the woman of Alton Brown, the guy who was shot while he was selling CDs on the man with weapons call.
And then the family, including brother, stepmom, father, and uncle of one of the Dallas police officers who was killed.
Not fallen, who fell, can't get up.
No, he was killed, murdered.
And they were Hispanic.
And the whole thing was white people, white cops, black people.
And Don Lemon was looking at a Hispanic family who were clearly brown, but they were white for him.
Yeah, it's convenient.
You're white if you're Latino, you could be white if it's convenient to the narrative.
You're Latino if it's convenient to the narrative, you're white if it contributes to the narrative.
It's bull crap.
And it's like, this is all...
I admire this, what you put together here, and I think the poverty thing...
If these guys would spend their time focusing on poverty...
Yes.
And tell me about the HUD program, when you said there's no oversight or no regulation?
No, this is the part...
This is a huge...
This is the shadow government that runs everything.
The HUD program, of course there's no oversight.
The government has no oversight.
There was a great...
And people should go dig this up.
That's in the show notes already.
What?
The Glennon stuff?
Yes, of course I put that in the show notes.
Are you kidding me?
People should go listen to this guy, and you should also go get this guy's book.
It's Michael Glennon, and the book is on Amazon.
It's not cheap.
It's 118 pages and 29 bucks, but I got it.
It's National Security and Double Government.
And it happens to be, and Glennon gives a speech about it on YouTube that is pretty much the book, as far as I can tell.
Yeah, it is.
And he discusses the real problem in the world, which is the second, the government, there's a legitimate government and then there's an official government.
He talks about the, did he say official?
No, it's a legacy government.
The legacy government and then the efficient government.
Go ahead.
And the efficient government is what does all...
Today, the efficient government is taking over everything.
And the worst part about it is national security also comes out of the efficient government and it can do whatever it wants and it's pretty much run roughshod over our rights.
But this guy discusses this.
And so you end up with situations like the HUD programs, which there's no oversight.
And he himself says, here's the biggest scandal in the last couple of years, and I agree with him, is when James Clapper...
Went before Congress and under oath, lied, and nobody said anything or did anything because you're dealing with the shadow government or the efficient government versus the legacy government.
The legacy government is losing more and more power.
And if you look at the way the EU is structured, it's structured in favor of an efficiency government.
So the concept here, and it was based on, was it Begitt, I think?
What was the guy's name?
Who came up with this theory of the efficient government that's underneath the radar.
Making all the laws.
Even though the legislature is supposed to make the laws, these governments...
And I want to say that I worked for one of these operations.
Hold on, let me just finish the thought here.
So you have this official government and their job is to give you the illusion that something's being done and you vote and all that.
But meanwhile, the efficient government, which is CIA, FBI, you know, it's all of these.
No, EPA, EPA, CDC.
It's everybody.
It's all of them.
They are the and they just make stuff happen and just run the world and make laws.
Yes.
They're given the permission to make laws, and they make lots of them.
We talk about all over-regulation in this country.
Where does all that come from?
It comes from the efficient government, cranking out laws.
What happened in the EU that got Great Britain to finally get a nerve to quit?
Because they already had a problem with an efficient government within their ranks, because the legacy government was actually the Queen and the House of Lords, which has been taken over by the Prime Minister and the House of Commons.
Yeah.
So the Brits are the first ones to bail out because they couldn't take it anymore.
They had enough problems.
But we are completely oblivious to this.
This guy has nailed it.
This Glennon character has nailed it.
Yes.
And then going back to this town hall when the former police chief says, you know, hey, this is a concentration of poverty.
And believe me, when you get that and you ask the police to be...
Whatever happened to the show Cops?
Whatever happened to that show?
Bad boys.
That really showed what was going on.
Well, it ran its course is what happened to it.
It couldn't go forever.
Okay.
So, you know, the HUD program, the Housing Urban Development Program, yeah, and these, I have to say, are a lot of Democratic Party, yeah, in fact, Ferguson run by Democrat.
Yeah.
You know, it's a very, very, very bad policy, and we're lying.
I don't see why any minority group, poverty minority group, let's just say that, because it's easier.
It's not about colors.
You're impoverished.
They have no faith in the government.
When you hear on television the reality the whole day, you know, we have only 4.5% unemployment, there's plenty of jobs, everything's great, everything's groovy, the stock market is up.
They know what's going on.
It's not true.
One other point that came up.
This is my last one from this.
Not true.
It's not true.
But reality, you hear it, the elites, what's on television, what's on news, what's in the New York Times, that's their reality, even though it's a subsection of what's going on.
And here's another former police chief.
I forget Neil his name.
I forget where he's from.
Black man.
This is something that's never been resolved or it's been perpetuated since slavery.
And we have to deal with that.
Yes, we have to go back and talk about that.
So since slavery until now, there's always been a tool, there's always been a method, there's always been a policy to vilify the black man.
And it's manifesting itself now in what we see every day in policing because it's right in front of you.
So then what's the solution then?
Wait a minute.
This is a societal problem how we view the black man.
And I'm going to tell you something right now.
Most of black people also fear the young black man because subconsciously this is what has been...
Now, if you want to sit there and acknowledge that you don't have some sort of fear before you catch yourself Before you catch yourself and realize that, whoa, wait a minute, I shouldn't be thinking this way.
When you see a group of young black men standing on a corner, sagging and doing what they do.
But the key is to understand and to recognize that we all have our individual bias.
And to recognize it and then to control it and not act upon it in a negative way.
There you go.
The black man.
Black people are afraid of the black man.
Well, this has been brought up every time somebody brings this up, they get excoriated.
You can't think that way.
He wasn't excoriated.
This is all the media that makes you think that way.
And just to go back to the Democrats wanting to annihilate the Republican Party, I put a lot of blame on the governor of Minnesota.
Oh, definitely.
Yeah, and so, you know, he has a whole pro-Hillary organization.
He's always flying out to where she is.
And we heard the clip.
He came out and said, oh, well, this was clearly...
If they'd been white, then Castile would never have been shot if he was white.
For the governor to say that.
Yeah, they're bitching about what the Supreme Court Ginsburg said.
They're moaning and groaning and making a big story out of that.
They didn't make anything out of this.
It's like, yes, yeah, you're right.
If he was white, everyone accepted it as gospel, especially the media, that, yeah, he wouldn't have been shot.
This was the gospel.
If he was white, vote for Hillary.
That's pretty much what it should have been.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So, it's very, very sickening to think that What is happening with policing and poverty, because that's how I view it, and if you're a police officer, you've got a crazy Asian community of impoverished people.
Yeah, it's us against them.
That's going to happen.
I don't necessarily know if that is all based on hating black people.
But this election cycle has brought out just this horrible, horrible way of Operating in the political arena by blaming racism on Republicans.
And that is truly disgusting.
Well, it's a technique.
I mean, the women thing, they already spent their capital on the women.
They've already, you know, Republicans are gun nuts.
They're going to kill your children.
Your children are all going to die because they're Republicans.
So they already spent all the money on that.
Political capital.
It's done.
There's none left.
So they've got to push the racism thing.
Now, I think the greatest synopsis of the whole thing, in a funny way, if you can understand a word of it, is Jesse Jackson came on one of the shows.
I think it was Democracy Now!
I don't know why they bring him on anything.
You can't understand a word he says, but if you can, that actually makes a little sense, maybe.
I'm looking.
I'm looking.
Jackson?
Jesse Jackson?
Jackson?
Oh, yes, I got it.
Sorry.
Jesse Jackson mumbling.
Very good.
First of all, the killer did not come out of the Civil Rights Movement.
That was a strategy alien to the way you function.
Secondly, we need some real renewed...
There's a date on November 8th.
And Trump is throwing down his gauntlet today, saying law and order, trying to imitate Nixon.
We must choose reconciliation or retaliation and revenge.
I hope President Obama will address underlying the police issue, the issue of jobs, jobs training and economic reconstruction and race, the race disparity.
Race disparity is real.
It is real.
And it's growing.
I understood what he said.
I have a better Jesse Jackson clip.
He was all over the place.
The Reverend.
Listen to this.
I think all of us can do more, and at this stage, must do more, because with these military-style weapons on the streets, this thing can get much uglier.
There is fear.
Police are in fear.
The people are in fear.
Children are in fear.
But fear and hate must not drive our agenda.
Love and hope and healing must drive the agenda.
I agree with you on that point, but it's important to note as well that military-style weapons, if you're talking about machine guns, are illegal for the most part.
And I think it's a distinction that we need to make when we talk about that.
Yeah, but in Texas, these AK-47s, the only thing they shoot up theaters in churches, they can bring down airplanes.
It is irrational.
Did you hear what he said?
That an AK-47 can bring down airplanes?
They can bring down airplanes!
We've got to stop with these AK-47s bringing down airplanes.
I thought mine was a better mumble.
That was a better mumble, but I thought the AK bringing down an airplane is...
Okay.
Yeah, that's what those...
Yeah, those AKs, man.
I'll tell you.
With that...
Why is that woman stopping him when he's saying military?
I mean, we're not talking about just guns.
We're talking about these tanks, these armored vehicles, these sound ray machines, and all the rest of it.
To be fair to the reporter, she followed up and said, excuse me, with all due respect, Reverend, but an AK-47 can't bring down an airplane.
Oh, man.
What if he got lucky?
I don't think so.
And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C, where the C stands for Caucasian straight old white male, Dvorak.
Well, in the morning to you.
And in the morning to all ships at sea, and the boots on the ground, and I can't find my Echo device.
Okay.
Subs in the water, feet in the air, and all the names of knights out there.
In the morning to the chat room, noagendastream.com.
Good to see everybody in there this morning.
And in the morning to, oh yes, once again, we say hi to Nick the Rat, who brought us the album artwork for episode 841, The Summer of Chaos.
Simple, but so effective.
Hillary Clinton and Uma Abedin starring in Orange is the New Black.
That was really a good one.
Quite funny.
And there was a lot of good art.
There was a lot, but we had to make a decision.
So please visit noagendaartgenerator.com and make your submission or just browse around.
I just think the reason we picked that piece, because it was just the ones that make us kind of laugh a little bit, Usually the ones that get picked.
Yes.
The one that, yeah, exactly.
The one that makes us laugh is, yeah, I agree.
It's all about comedy.
So we only got one executive producer today again, and three associates.
And nobody picked up on the 714 Bastille Day, so we have no, of course the French would be the only ones who would do that, or Canadians, and they didn't care.
33333 is our leading executive producer from Plymouth, Massachusetts.
From Massachusetts nuts.
And that would be Sir Adam Johnson.
Hey John and Adam, I'm heading off to Germany here today and wanted to make sure I got a donation in before I left.
Hopefully this helps with some of the recent donation stagnation.
I'm already, I'll be in the country by the time you are reading this on the show, but I figured every little bit of karma helps.
I don't know if I'll be able to listen to any new shows while I'm there.
But if I can get a climate gate jingle, that would be great.
Okay.
It always makes me smile when I hear it.
If I learn anything interesting while I'm here, I'll let you know.
Thank you for all the hard work you do.
Okay.
We'll give them a climate gate jingle.
To the gate, to the gate, to the climate gate.
Yeah.
You've got karma.
And thank you.
Baron of the Bourbon Barrel Stout.
Vladimir Landeman in Sioux City, Iowa, 23456.
He'll be a social executive producer.
Sir Bernie Adama hit me in the mouth about seven months ago.
I've loved the show ever since.
If possible, please send Bernie and myself some jobs and health karma.
Also, I'm not sure if you guys do belated birthdays, but if you can, please add Sir Bernie to the belated birthday list since his birthday was on July 5th.
Yes, he's on.
He's on.
He's on there.
Also, July 14th is National Macaroni and Cheese Day.
Is that right, you think?
Did they do such a thing?
Yeah, of course.
Burger King for the macaroni and Cheetos.
I'm sure it's some bull crap.
It has not been officially proclaimed by the President.
Let's put it that way.
Okay.
So can you please play the mac and cheese jingle at the end of the show?
Thanks for everything.
I can play one now.
You slaves can get used to mac and cheese.
Mac and cheese.
Mac and cheese.
Jobs.
Jobs.
Jobs and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs!
You've got karma.
Let me go to Don O'Malley, 200 bucks from St.
Paul, Minnesota.
He sent in a long note.
Yeah, I don't think we're supposed to discuss the content of that note on the show.
He wants to remain anonymous regarding the note.
Oh, okay.
Well, we won't discuss the note, but I will mention that there's parts of the note that we could discuss.
He's a...
No.
Got hit in the mouth some time ago.
Okay, yeah.
And he wanted to mention that he felt guilty, so he's finally got the $200.
So even though he's starving to death because of student loans.
Wow.
The student loan, so you have to admire him for at least coming in.
Not just that, but he's also helped us with a lot of insight into, because he's in St.
Paul, into what's been happening in Minneapolis.
But we'll bring that up on Sunday, but we can't attribute anything to him.
Christopher Dolan of Brookline, Massachusetts.
I'm going to give John a little karma here.
He definitely deserves the karma.
Thank you so much.
You've got karma.
There we go.
Brookline, Massachusetts.
Christopher Dolan, $200.
Please give me a short shot of karma and thank you for the best podcast in the universe.
The best podcast in the universe.
You've got karma.
Okay, that would be it.
Thework.org slash NA. Wait, I have another one.
$200 from a dude named Andy.
Oh, right.
He's from Minnesota Nuts.
Big note.
Oh, okay.
Then I'm confused.
Yeah, Don is another note.
Okay, well now I must have mixed.
I think dude named Andy is the guy who's a student loan debtor.
No?
This, uh, I don't know.
Okay, no, I see this.
Okay, this is my spreadsheet, because if I scroll down, it just jumps right to Jason from Canada.
So I'm missing the dude named Andy.
Okay.
Thank you for your excellent work that you do on the show.
I've been a regular listener since about show 700.
I have no doubt that the karma and brain cleansing I've received from listening to the show led me to get the kick-ass job I landed when starting listening to the show.
We love hearing that.
I've decided that I've been a douchebag long enough, even though just today I hit my longtime friend Dan in the mouth.
I'm still climbing out of student loan debt, but it's time I carved out a $200 donation for you, even though I'm sure that I still owe you more under the value-for-value model.
Seems that I'm in need of a de-douching.
Can I get a clip of Comey not recommending prosecution, followed by a Hillary?
It's almost too good to believe, my friends.
That would be dynamite.
Also, a round of jobs.
Karma for everyone.
I'd like to add some perspective about the shooting of Philando Castile in Minnesota.
And he has quite a long note, but he does say that he feels our analysis of the officer-involved death of Philando Castile is spot on.
The officers had a valid reason for pulling over the vehicle.
Even if that was not the case, the sequence of events led me to only the same conclusion as yours.
My question is, why are we the only ones who played the radio tape?
I don't know.
We've done this before.
We've done this before.
We've done it with the so-called forced landing with Snowden.
We've done this a number of times.
We've done it with the 911 tapes that were bull crap from Sandy Hook.
Why doesn't anybody but us play these tapes?
Then you could only think that maybe there's some big conspiracy.
I don't know.
It's not a conspiracy, it's laziness.
Laziness.
No, I think that it didn't fit the...
The conspiracy of laziness.
Yeah, it doesn't fit the narrative.
And when you look at photos, as Castile's car was still there when it started to get dark, both taillights are working.
But I don't know where that came from, other than from our lavish diamond...
The girl doing the streaming.
Doing her audition.
Yeah.
But, you know, we have the...
And also, there's still no conclusive evidence that Castile had a concealed permit license.
Yeah.
But it doesn't matter because we know what reality is.
We heard it from the professionals from the Washington Post and MSNBC. Reality is what you see on television.
Everything else is just not real.
What did he want here?
I don't have the...
I can do the Hillary thing, but...
Yeah, well, he thinks it would be funny to have Comey saying, we don't recommend prosecution, then have Hillary say, it's almost too delicious to believe, my friend.
Right, but I'd have to go in and edit that.
Yeah, we can't do that.
That's not a clip.
If you're going to request clips, they have to be clips, not something that we played on the show that happens to have something within it.
Because we can't do that on the fly.
It's just not possible.
That would take a little bit too much.
So, I can give him the Hillary...
It's almost too delicious to believe, my friend.
Delicious, delicious, delicious, delicious.
You've been de-douched.
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs!
You've got karma.
There we go.
There we go.
And that concludes our little group of well-wishers.
Yes, thank you.
Very little today.
Well, but thank you.
Thank you very much.
Thank you a lot.
And sorry about the 714 not working out with anybody.
Absolutely zero on that, huh?
Yeah, it didn't work at all.
I didn't get one person to say, well, I can do that.
I can take a double executive producer thing.
Dvorak.org slash A. We have another show coming up on Sunday.
No more.
We don't have Bastille Day as a gimmick.
And we'll see.
Well, how about just screw gimmicks?
I don't need a damn gimmick.
Look at the work we're putting in.
Yeah, you do, apparently.
If you don't have a gimmick, nobody seems to care.
PR mention here from Ramsey Cain, of course, the brain behind NoAgendaCD.com, and he's doing his annual Las Vegas meetup, which I believe falls at the same time as DEFCON? Yeah.
The meetup's in Las Vegas at the Encore Lobby Bar on Saturday, August 6th, 7pm.
At some point, some of us will be going down to the Strip to hand out CDs once again.
All the details are both at NoAgendaCD.com and NoAgendaSaturday26.com.
Interesting.
Last year's attendees included Dame Angela, Citizen X, and a number of other NA luminaries that I know don't want to be mentioned.
We had a blast last year and expect no less this year.
Any questions can be directed to noagendacd at gmail.com or just go get all the information at noagendacd.com.
And by the way, those events are great.
DEFCON's a terrific event.
All kinds of FBI spooks are there, and CIA guys, and all kinds of crazy hackers.
And our guys.
That's fantastic.
And our guys, floating around, giving out CDs.
We appreciate that.
And we appreciate all of our one executive producer and our associate executive producer today.
Thank you so much.
You do make it possible for us to do a lot of this work, and it's highly appreciated.
Please remember, we have another show coming up on Sunday.
Maybe in Vegas, maybe in your town, wherever you are, propagate our formula!
Our formula is this.
We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
What did you hear?
Was there any feedback from your Obama bot dinner?
Oh yeah, what happened was, they wouldn't of course ever heard the show.
We were talking about...
Just a recap for what happened here.
Last week we talked about a bet that was made in last show.
I had Greg Zachary, professor at ASU of journalism, and John Markoff at the house.
Zachary, bitch, I didn't mention his last name.
High-end, high-end guys in...
The high-end guys, very, you know, well-respected in their field.
And...
So they bit me because it fit into the narrative that we had going, which was that the progressive, for some unknown reason, think that Trump's going to get kicked out of the conference convention and loses.
He's not going to get the nomination.
I even hear everyone saying, we have the 28 votes we need, whatever that means.
We have the 28 votes.
So they're very confident because they bought into the narrative because they're in an isolated liberal progressive milieu that would never listen to the show.
And they would have never heard this, what we had to say, except for our night in Accra, Ghana, who Greg knows as a personal friend in Africa because he goes there all the time.
And so he said, hey, they talked about you on the show.
It's pretty funny.
So the two guys listened.
Oh no!
And so then they wrote me a bunch of nasty notes.
Really?
But the funny one was Greg, you could tell he was listening to the show.
And so I'd get a note from him like every 10 or 15 minutes in real time as he's listening.
I'm commenting on something in the show as he's listening.
The show is pretty funny.
It was like eight messages.
And it all matched up with the time.
Oh, can you share some of these?
They weren't that interesting.
He says, you were full of crap.
I don't have any in front of me.
Markov, though, did say...
But why were you full of crap?
The notes are just...
It's just like, we didn't say that.
It was just saying, there was a denying...
Let me grab a note.
You might as well do that, yeah.
Because I think if we have two journalists, top of their field, for Wall Street Journal, New York Times, listening to the show, and sending you notes in real time as a stream of dialogue...
No, it only detected that Markov just sent one nasty note.
But it was both nasty notes.
Hey, my old bots don't send me nasty notes.
Yeah, they did.
We read a couple of them.
Well, not after the dinner.
Oh, well, yeah, right.
It's because you're tracking him all the time.
I'm only doing this.
Yeah, stalking him.
Yeah, exactly.
Okay, let's start with the first note.
I'm listening to the show 841 right now.
This is just starting.
Simple.
He says, I'm a narcissist.
Now we must do the podcast about sports.
He wants to do a podcast about sports because he's very good at it.
There's nothing here.
Just, by the way, blah, blah, blah.
He's just letting me know that he's starting to listen.
Okay, so my email now has to...
To deal with a guy listening to the show in real time.
He does have one that's worth reading.
Let me see if I can find out which one.
Did he at any point mention how great the show sounds?
No, of course not.
Let me see if I can find the one that I thought was...
If there's one worth reading out of class, because it's like, out of class, you're out of class.
Out of class.
Yeah, out of class means...
Nobody ever said it was a...
Oh, wait, then he says, okay, next show.
Oh, wait, but he thought there were rules that you can't discuss anything on the show?
That's bullcrap.
There's one in here that, he's got one, I got a bunch of them to go through.
Give me a break, you know, I'll take my winnings.
Something about how Trump will, what does it say?
Honestly, I now fear Trump will beat back attempts to stop his nomination.
He won!
That's how he's going to beat back attempts.
There's the one he bitches about you.
Oh, thank goodness.
Read that one.
I've got to find so many of these.
Oh, and there it is.
Now I guess he's, I don't know how many minutes he's in.
He says, and Adam called us pussies.
He says, ah, he's going to regret it when our NBA show is a success.
Oh, I'm so worried about someone calling me a name on the internet.
I'm gonna cry!
I'm gonna cry!
You're a pussy!
When was that?
It was like when I said they wouldn't make the $100 bet.
So he doubles down and says he'll do the $100 and Markov doesn't say that.
Markov says that I lied about the whole thing.
Wait!
You lied about the whole thing?
He says...
This note is actually worth reading.
Okay.
More about me, please.
No, that's all there is about you.
I like it.
I'm going to go to my safe space because the guy from the Wall Street Journal is going to say something about me on a sports podcast!
He says, I remember nothing about an O-Bot discussion.
He is fabricating about me.
He's sending this note to Greg, I think.
And so I had to send him a lengthy note because what happened was I said, when they were talking about Trump, I said, oh, I said, this is like the Adam's Obot dinners.
I'm going to have to talk about this.
And then Markov said, he doesn't remember any of this, of course.
He was drunk.
He had them drunk.
Yeah, we did have a lot of wine.
He said, what's an Obot?
And before I could answer him, Greg jumped in with some other bullshit that took us off the conversation.
And so he forgot.
He even asked me about what's an O-Bot.
And so Greg started talking about this other stuff.
And then I said, that's when I said, I wish I had a recording.
I should tape this.
This is so funny, listening to these two guys.
So Markoff continues and says, I had to look up O-Bot.
So he looked it up.
He still didn't know what it meant.
This is the typical.
This is the New York Times.
I don't need to condemn these guys.
I love these two guys.
I can condemn them.
But they are isolated within this milieu.
They've never heard this term.
And then he comes back at me with, this is a tea party term!
You're a stooge for the tea party!
He says to me.
You should say, no, I'm actually Black Lives Matter.
It would be funny.
Yeah, I should put Black Lives Matter at the bottom.
And that was how it ended.
And I just tried to explain to him what had happened and why I did it.
And I wasn't, you know, telling anything that was...
Shouldn't have been known.
It wasn't like I was talking about the size of their dicks or anything.
Well, at least not on the show.
I actually don't know the answer to that question, so it's academic.
Anyway, so that's how it ended, and now they're both mad at me.
Except Greg.
He says, yeah, you know, I think you should just talk about me more often.
Oh, yeah.
I respect him for that.
And I will say, I would love to hear you on a sports podcast.
I think that would be great.
I would listen to that, and as we know, I'm not a sports guy.
I would listen to that, for sure.
That's a possibility.
We might end up doing that, but it's going to be...
If we decided it would be NBA, We talk about this occasionally because he's a nut about it.
He's NBA all year round.
It wouldn't be a talk show where you talk about soccer and women's tennis.
No, I'm only tuning in to hear him talk about me.
Are you kidding me?
I hear about soccer.
I can't read that.
He called me a pussy!
Maybe he'd be...
You popped it up earlier.
We were talking about the efficient government.
And during that speech, and please watch that.
It's only an hour.
It's in a YouTube clip.
A question comes up, which is a really good question.
The question and answer were so long that I really couldn't condense it down to anything clippable.
That cyber...
The term cyber, let's just call it that, is really the frontier now, is the front lines of this kind of strife between the official government and the efficient government.
And when the Obama administration, that was the question, when the Obama administration came in with, oh, we're the techno guys, we're the internet generation, we're going to do it all.
Did they try to take a lot of that power back, certainly in the cyber realm, and did they fail?
And the author said, unequivocally, he said, oh, absolutely.
It's exactly what happened.
It makes so much sense in hindsight.
I mean, there was a lot of convincing talk about how this would be the internet generation.
We'd have, you know, interaction with our government.
There'd be all kinds of stuff.
No.
Remember that?
They redesigned the White House website.
Right.
It was like 80 grand or something.
Yeah, it was like just an overhaul.
A refresh of the website is what they wound up with.
But if you see the stories now, Department of Homeland Security is now pushing for more cyber experts in the field.
Same day, the report comes out, White House accelerates cyber hiring.
So they may still be trying to do something.
But it explains, well, of course, we knew cyber would be a bonanza.
But really, you know, it is the front line of...
The efficient government running everything and keeping everybody out.
I thought one interesting thing is he kind of glossed it over.
He didn't say too much about it.
He just wanted to mention it.
I think he blames the global warming hysteria over efficient government.
He did mention that, because somebody brought it up, he says the global warming thing comes out of efficient government, and what doesn't get discussed, because it can't, the efficient government just does what it does, is the computer models and the debate that you can have over what Which model is the right model.
Which model is the right model, and there's been nothing but a never-ending debate, and people who know anything about computer modeling know that it's a bogus field of study, because it's just too many variables.
It's never properly done.
Well, if computer modeling really was accurate, then we would be able to predict the weather.
Right.
Better than we do.
I mean, now it's just patterns.
You see clouds coming in, it feels like rain, the barometer's dropping, it's going to rain.
It's not really much to it.
Right.
Any airman will tell you, you want to kind of know what the weather's going to be for the next 6 or 12 hours, yeah, we could probably do it.
We'll check on route.
But that's it.
You can't be predicting this stuff weeks ahead.
It just doesn't work that way.
This guy, I'm telling you, everyone out there who listens to this show, this is probably more seminal than Economic Hitman, which is one of the other major you-have-to-read books.
Not the revamped one.
No, no, not the new one.
Do not get the new one.
Get the original one.
The new one, they start to back off, and there's stuff taken out.
We don't know what.
No one's ever done a word-by-word comparison.
But something happened on the remake of the book, so you want to get the original.
Right.
What else we got?
I got a couple of things.
I'll lead into one for you.
I saw you have a clip, so I'll lead it in.
In Brooklyn, one neighborhood, 33 people.
You got a clip, right?
Yeah, I got the K2 clip.
Okay, this is great.
Yesterday, more than 30 people in New York.
Oh, why didn't he say 33?
It's 33.
Everybody said 33 in all the articles, but this is the only clip.
I took this clip because it has a lot of sound effects in the background.
People were yelling and screaming.
We love that.
And it's very funny.
It's a funnier clip.
This was like two blocks in Brooklyn, right?
Yeah, somebody's selling some bad K2. Yesterday, more than 30 people in New York suffered bizarre reactions to an illegal synthetic drug, which is now available all across the country.
Michelle Miller reports from New York City.
You can't stand up straight.
It was a bizarre scene.
Dozens of people with blank stares stumbling around a Brooklyn neighborhood yesterday.
This is crazy.
Brian Arthur live-streamed it on Facebook.
As I'm walking up the block, I see everybody laying out on the floor.
And everybody's just stumbling all over the place.
It looked like a scene out of a zombie movie.
Emergency workers sent 33 people to area hospitals saying they appeared to be under the influence of the synthetic drug known as K2 or SPICE. Designed to mimic marijuana, the man-made drug has far more powerful effects.
This man says he's used it before.
K2 is made by spraying various legal chemicals onto plants.
It's then ground up and smoked.
Users experience confusion, hallucinations, rapid heart rate, and even seizures.
Police say it's sold as small neighborhood grocery stores.
A CBS undercover producer found it at this Brooklyn corner store last year.
K2 usage is growing nationwide.
The CDC reports more than 3,500 calls of synthetic marijuana used to poison centers over a five-month period last year.
That's a 229% jump from the year before.
Now, I just noticed something.
Finally, the quarter dropped.
This is to discredit marijuana.
They keep calling it synthetic marijuana.
I disagree.
I think it's to open the way for legalization of marijuana because the meme that's been floating around is that no one's ever died from an overdose of marijuana.
And that's been in all the reports.
Every time you hear a report about legalization, it's, well, no one's ever died, no one's ever died.
And so you have this bad shit, K2, it's killing people.
Although it sounds dynamite, I don't know, you say it's bad.
Well, if you see these people staggering around.
I saw the video, it was great.
But it's like, I think it's just the opposite.
I think the idea is that, well, we can get this horrible product off the streets and we can regulate marijuana.
It could be either way, but I'm glad you brought that side up because that could be that, but I don't think so.
Yeah.
And there was, meanwhile, and as an aside, I want to mention something.
The guy says, they're talking about people laying on the street.
The guy says there's people all over the floor.
And in one of the shootings, I think the Baton Rouge one, he says the guy was, cop jumped him and then he hit the floor.
We're talking about the ground.
Yeah, well there's a lot of these weird things.
I have a new one to look out for.
I wrote it down.
Alright, look out for Floor.
Floor, and then the other one is...
She doesn't get out beyond her skis.
I've heard this three times.
I didn't clip it.
And it's in reference to Hillary.
She never gets beyond her skis.
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
I'm not sure.
She doesn't go...
She doesn't do things she can't do, or she stays within the...
Stay within boundaries.
I think boundaries.
Let me just see if I can find it.
That's a crazy phrase.
Don't go beyond speeds.
Yeah, I've been hearing it a lot.
Let me see.
I wonder...
It's nothing...
Let me see.
Saying...
There's nothing really...
I heard Rachel Maddow say it, and I heard some millennial reporter on CNN say it, both in reference to...
No, she was on MSNBC, so it's probably an MSNBC thing they're talking about.
She never goes...
You watch.
You'll be hearing this.
Okay, I'm sure I'll hear it if you've heard it.
Yeah.
Never goes beyond her skis.
Let's go back to the pod.
Let's go back to the pod.
I have a bunch of pod clips.
This coincided with what was going on...
It was actually a couple months ago, but it's now being discussed a lot.
Of course, we have a big vote coming up.
There's a pot vote coming up on the West Coast.
But the Harvard Medical School had a huge confab, the first one, of pot science and medical use of pot and all the rest of it.
And they brought in that guy from Israel who's apparently been studying it since the 60s.
And he's the only guy that seems to be an expert.
And he's done a lot of research.
He's the one who found the CBD and found the THC. And he's the one that when Hillary says, oh, we need more research, you know, You point to this guy.
He's been researching his head off.
But let's start with pot update.
We'll catch up to this.
A possible harbinger.
I am from the future.
Harbinger.
Another word we identified early on.
A possible harbinger.
I can think of no better place to host the first annual CanMed conference than here at Harvard Medical School.
So welcome.
Thank you.
The first annual personalized cannabinoid medicine conference at Harvard Medical School in April.
An unprecedented meeting of the minds in the world of medical marijuana.
For almost 30 years, nothing happened.
And the father of marijuana research was here to receive a Lifetime Achievement Award.
Rafael Meshulam is an Israeli chemist who became interested in cannabis when he began his scientific career.
I was kind of surprised to find out that the chemistry of cannabis, an important drug, in my view, was not well known.
As a matter of fact, we didn't know at that time, I'm speaking of the early 60s, that active compounds had not been isolated in pure form.
In 1963, he identified the structure of cannabidiol, CBD, one of the most medically important compounds found in cannabis.
And in 1964, he isolated the active component of marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol, THC. I thought that as soon as we know the chemistry and the pharmacology and then the toxicity, and if there are any positive effects, companies will go in and take compounds and go ahead with clinical trials, which is true for a huge, huge number of drugs.
But this is a drug like no other.
It was made illegal one year after the 1936 release of a cinematic diatribe against marijuana called Reefer Madness.
Still a classic, by the way.
You have not seen it.
You have to see it.
It's not so much the substance itself, it's who uses it.
The substance was associated with Mexican-American and African-American communities.
If you look at the precepts of reefer badness, it's a pretty, I would say, embarrassing part of our national history.
Now, I want to mention a couple of things.
When Mimi was down, we were talking about this.
Mimi has a rheumatoid arthritis.
And she doesn't want to take pharmaceuticals for it.
And she's discovered that CBD is extremely positive for this sort of ailment.
It's a magical plant.
It's magical in a lot of different ways.
And there's actually a good explanation for why it works so well.
But first, before we play that, I want to just play...
Just a little clip.
Pot not accepted use.
In the U.S., marijuana still remains classified as a Schedule I controlled substance, the same category as heroin, cocaine, and LSD, with tight restrictions for researchers and no accepted use for medical treatment.
Now this is shame.
Hold on, hold on.
Classified!
This is absolutely shameful that this situation continues.
And I will even blame talk show hosts like Michael Savage, who should know better since he's a guy whose specialty was all these herbs and flowers and edible things and drugs in the wild.
And he's one of these guys who pounds the drum about how bad it is.
Now, here's the kicker on this thing.
So, Mimi's using the CBD stuff as much as she can, and she gives more energy.
Her fingers don't ache.
She doesn't have all these issues with arthritis.
There's no THC in there.
She doesn't get high off it.
It's just the cannabinoid, right?
Yeah, the CBD. And...
She says, and I'm going to go up to Washington next time, I'm going to go visit a couple of these places because they've got all these different things.
They've got chocolates and they've got all kinds of crazy ways.
And the edibles, yeah.
A lot of edibles.
Gummy bears.
Yeah, she told me about them.
She says, you go into one of these pot places, the place is filled, filled with old ladies.
Yeah.
She says, you don't see a bunch of hippies and potheads in there.
You see old ladies.
Old ladies with these aches and pains.
Old ladies that have arthritis.
Old ladies with all kinds of issues.
Once this gets out, old ladies are a powerful political force.
They're not going to put up with this much longer.
If you take this pot away from them, this is not going to happen.
That's why this is never going to get reversed in any of these states, because the old ladies will revolt.
And this is what this is all about, is stuff like that.
And then there's obviously the epileptic situation where kids are...
They're damaging themselves.
In fact, there's a sad story to be told by this one woman who is a...
She's a doctor herself.
And this is the clip.
Pot seizures.
You play this so you hear what somebody has to go through because this is kept illegal for no good reason after that stupid movie.
Which was mainly...
Seizures.
Seizures.
Which was mainly to...
Well, actually, it was...
The Mexicans are smoking it.
They're all going crazy.
Well, there's a number of factors.
One, the Hearst Corporation, they didn't want pot growing because hemp can be used to make paper and they had some forest they owned or something.
So that was one way of getting rid of it.
There was a little ditty that was shown on the PBS NewsHour.
It says in 1619, the Virginia legislature, and there was one back then, the Virginia legislature said by law all farmers had to grow hemp.
Huh.
For ropes and whatever they used it for.
But anyway, play this little thing.
This is kind of a pathetic story.
These are very common.
So perhaps it is no surprise that researchers suspect cannabis can do so many things, from fighting cancer to concussions to Crohn's disease.
But perhaps the most dramatic story of how cannabis might be good medicine is in epilepsy.
In the 70s and 80s, Dr.
Mishulam published studies that showed CBD can curb seizures.
There was no further research until parents of epileptic children who did not respond to conventional pharmaceuticals discovered Dr.
Mishulam's work.
I do come at this with two hats.
Neuroscientist Catherine Jacobson told her story at the Cannabis Medical Conference at Harvard.
Her seven-year-old son, Ben, has epilepsy.
Can you smile?
Yeah!
After discovering Dr.
Mishulam's papers, she started giving Ben daily doses of CBD, at times making the formula in her garage.
His seizures diminished by 40%.
But it's excruciating to think about what we went through to get here, right?
And what might have happened if we had been able to do this five years ago or six years ago.
I know for a fact he would be a different kid today if he hadn't suffered all that brain damage.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, you know, this is obvious.
It's a magical plant.
It is a magical plant.
And that's why it had to be foreboding.
Well, it interfered with drug companies.
It interfered with paper companies.
It had all these issues.
And then it was associated with blacks and Mexicans talking about racism.
And you have the whole thing.
And all these new facts have been revealed over the last...
10 or 15 years.
And it's shameful that they still have...
There's no good use for it.
It doesn't work.
It's bullcrap.
These guys who are stopping research and they still haven't allowed research in the United States.
The woman said herself, we're not going to get it legalized in the United States in general.
We'll get it legalized the world over.
And then you can deal with it.
I mean, this is absolutely shameful that these are our leaders that have done this to us.
You'll recall that that was when they just started with the new White House website, and the president was doing live tweets.
Remember that?
Wasn't it even with Jack Dorsey, I think?
Maybe.
The first president to do a live tweet session.
Well, they also had that sign up, and if we get so many signatures, you get petitions.
Right, and the number one, two, and three petitions were all about legalizing marijuana.
And the president laughed it off, if you'll recall.
Yep.
Yeah, and he smoked dope.
He should be ashamed of himself.
For a number of reasons, but yeah.
Now, I have one last clip we want to play.
This is actually explaining the endocannabinol system within the human body and why this stuff might actually be beneficial in certain situations.
Still, Dr.
Mashulam pressed on, gradually writing the scientific textbook on marijuana.
But for years, he did not fully understand how and why cannabis works in our bodies.
And then in the early 90s, he had a eureka moment.
THC mimics compounds which we make, called endogenous cannabinoids, which our brain makes, our body makes.
THC mimics their effect.
All this is called the endocannabinoid system, and this endocannabinoid system seems to be extremely important.
Here's how endocannabinoids work in our nervous system.
The nerves that form the electrical grid of our body are not continuous strands of fiber.
Instead, there are many gaps in the wiring.
The nerve ends are called neurons.
The gaps, synapses.
The electrical current is transmitted from neuron to neuron across synapses by chemical messengers called neurotransmitters.
The volume and route of these signals determines what we are thinking, what we perceive, and what we feel.
Our body generates cannabinoids to help regulate the flow of these neurotransmitters.
Scientists suspect the active ingredient in cannabis, THC, can either increase or decrease the flow of the neurotransmitters.
And this can have all kinds of impacts on our physical state of being.
The endocannabinoid system is involved in essentially all human diseases.
How?
And there you have it.
Good report, John.
I like that.
Very good report.
What was this on?
Where did you get all these from?
This was on NPR. I'm sorry, PBS and NewsHour.
They've been running a marijuana thing every couple of days.
This is a long report.
I think this is the end of it.
And it was very positive, which makes me wonder about the K2 report being negative for a reason.
Either to counter these reports or to enhance them.
That's why I was interested in the K2 situation with the 33.
Because 33, the magic number shows up.
We know something's going on.
Something's bogus about this.
Well, I'm still very worried that what will wind up happening is the government will control it.
So the pharmaceuticals can make lots of money with it.
The beauty of, of course...
A plant that is nicknamed weed is you can pretty much grow it everywhere.
And I have to say, by coincidence, the other day I found about seven seeds in my bag.
Which, you don't get that anymore.
No, no, you don't get seeds.
You do not get seeds.
But they sell seeds.
You can buy seeds.
Yeah, but I got them for free.
It was a package deal.
It was fabulous.
Yeah.
But yeah, we're looking at genetically modified wheat, all kinds of stuff.
So thank goodness.
If you've got seeds, hold on to some.
I mean, screw the one-acre crisis garden.
We really need to have a vault.
Heirloom seeds.
Because the minute Monsanto owns it, then it'll be a very big problem.
And that's the only thing they must be thinking of.
I agree with you, but I think it's too late.
And I think the thing you said, it's a weed.
It grows everywhere and it grows easily and it doesn't take a lot of effort to grow this stuff.
And people grow it.
And now that you have Oregon, Washington, Alaska, I think, and Colorado completely legalizing it and going through the process, despite the bullcrap stories about, oh, there's traffic wrecks.
Oh, people are going to die.
A dog ate my pot and he died.
The dog died.
The kid ate my chocolate.
And the kid ate a chocolate.
He's all stoned.
We had to take him to the hospital.
All these bullcrap stories that keep coming out.
It's too late.
Well, the good news is, if this value-for-value model doesn't work out, we can always go back to seven seeds.
I'm going to show my salute by donating to No Agenda.
Imagine all the people who could do that.
Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
Yeah, on No Agenda.
Well, we start with a few people to thank, including right at the top of the list, Jason from Canada.
He says Jamaica, New York here.
He came with $101.01.
And he says, hey guys, Jason from Canada, if you read my name on the show, it's truly the best podcast in the universe, and you've pretty much ruined me for other podcasts.
I think that probably is true.
I work in the media industry, and your analysis is so spot-on, it's frightening.
What's more is that I can no longer talk about anything political with my friends without being labeled a racist, homophobic, or cisgender conservative.
Hello, and welcome to the club.
Last May, husband Emilio...
This is Jason.
It says Jason.
It's probably somebody else.
It's got to be...
No, it says Jason.
No, it says Jason.
Oh, okay.
He's gay.
Punch me in the mouth, and I've been an avid listener ever since.
It's good.
This is the audience we need.
We've been doing long-distance things for almost two years now.
No agenda.
One of the shows we stay close to, even though we're very far apart, he's celebrating his 32nd birthday.
On the 14th, I'd like to add him to the birthday list he's on.
He's the love of my life, and I want him to know he means a lot to me.
Aww.
If you could de-douche us both and throw in some jobs karma, I'd really appreciate it.
We'll do jobs karma at the end.
You've been de-douched.
But of course a de-douche.
But I'm confused.
It's Jason.
He's talking about his husband, Emilio, but he's being labeled a racist, homophobic, cisgender conservative?
I don't know.
If he's gay and he's being labeled a racist, homophobic, cisgender conservative?
That's crazy.
Would that surprise anybody?
No.
No, it doesn't.
What am I thinking?
Of course not.
Name-calling, name-calling, name-calling.
I do appreciate people who realize what we're doing on this show is of value.
And you can't get it anyplace else.
If you start watching the mainstream media, you're just going to get this garbage, which is what we're deconstructing constantly to try to keep people from even watching TV. Peter Tangney in Randolph, Massachusetts, 99.33.
Rob Tyson.
Tyson.
Tyson.
In Rotterdam.
Boobs.
8008.
He has a, let me see, Jobs Karma.
Call out Manfredi M. He will know.
From Tilburg.
He hit me in the mouth, but his last donation is quite some time ago.
If he donated, you can't call him a douchebag.
No, I don't think that's true.
I think if somebody requests a douchebag call out, they get it.
Douchebag!
You will obey.
I think this is my thinking.
You could not give it, but here's what I'm thinking.
I'm thinking if you see somebody's a douchebag and you want to call them out, I think it's their decision, not ours, to make.
But if they want certain things for themselves, I think that's when we jump in and say, no, you're not a douchebag.
Because we've done this.
You're not a douchebag, so we don't douchebag you.
Okay.
All right.
I'm down.
I'm down.
We're consistent.
I'm down.
Krista Zemonic in Sun Prairie, Wisconsin.
Sun Prairie, Wisconsin.
That's pretty funny.
That's very funny.
He has birthday wishes and karma to Noah Zimonic, my amazing husband, father of a newborn.
He loves the best podcast in the universe and helps him survive his daily commute to work.
Of course.
And she's in with boobs.
Gotta love a woman who's in with boobs.
Yeah, you do.
Ryan Couture in Dallas, Texas, 7777.
Sir Brian Green of Hams in New City, New York, 7373.
KC9YJM, 73s to you.
73s, Kilo 5, Alpha Charlie Charlie.
Anonymous in Fort Walton Beach, Florida, 71-61.
And now we have 10 people who came in with our gimmick for the week, which was a Bastille Day donation of $71.40.
Oh, okay.
That includes Tyler Stewart in Chillicote, Ohio, Gabriel Romero in Burbank, California, where the...
If anyone wants to fly into an airport in Los Angeles, that's where you go.
That's the one.
That's the one.
Chuck Walters in Schaumburg, Illinois, 7140.
Brian Barrows in Whirlwood and Bassett, Wiltshire, UK, 7140.
Glenn Riccio in Clearbrook, Virginia, 7140.
Rebecca Nelson in Albuquerque, New Mexico, 7140.
Hold on a second.
Hold on.
There's a note.
Let me see.
Rebecca Nelson.
What number is that?
7140.
Yeah, I know, but it was Albuquerque.
She wanted a job car, but I think that her fiancé, boyfriend, Sir Jeff there from New Mexico, I thought he sent her something to...
Go ahead, I'll look it up.
I think there was a email about it.
Michael Lamb in London, UK, 7140.
Michael Lamb, he calls himself Demetrius Nafleotis.
Nafleotis.
Here it is.
In the Plains.
This is Jeffrey Tuhigg.
You remember Jeffrey?
He was at the most recent meetup in New Mexico and the first Hot Pockets tour.
Just wanted to add a note for Rebecca Nelson.
This is my lady from Albuquerque.
I hope you would add some job karma for her.
She loved John's letter.
Yes, she reads it every week and saw you were low on donations.
Go podcasting and congrats on the podcasting award from the land of the Mars rover.
And we'll definitely do that.
Thank you very much, Jeffrey.
Appreciate it.
And she is fantastic.
She's lovely.
Those two, you know, they met On Craigslist.
And they found out they lived a block away.
And they've been happily together ever after.
It's a nice story.
Trolling for hope, baby.
You know, I think it's actually a pathetic story.
People don't get out enough.
They should have meet all your neighbors.
You should go door to door to meet all your neighbors and be introduced and have big dinner parties and block parties and have...
Nobody does that anymore.
They had to meet on Craigslist.
I'm glad for them, but I feel so bad for the country.
Your country?
My country?
Or this country?
My country.
I feel so bad for my country.
And I like you being on that.
That's good.
I think it's great.
Melissa Hodges in Oklahoma City.
Thank you for reigniting my rebellious spirit.
7140.
Good.
Roger Esty in Tampa, Florida.
7140.
Sir Hank, Earl of New York City in Kew Gardens.
7140.
Onward.
That's our only group of little...
Well, it's a gimmick that didn't work.
Nathaniel Friedman in Sebastopol, California.
Right up the road for me.
6969.
Joe Reynoso in Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin.
6789.
Alan D. Peterson in Crestwood, Missouri.
5199.
He's got a call out.
Mike Crossland, please.
Call him out as a douchebag for hitting me in the mouth long ago and never donating.
Douchebag!
Also Carmen to Jason Lane on his upcoming wedding.
Love the show.
Alan Peterson, soon to be night.
Chris Bullock in Madisonville, Louisiana, 51-33.
And what does he say there?
What did he say?
He says, I knew it was time to donate.
I was filling up my car.
The total was 33-33.
The feeling was confirmed when I turned around at the pump and the guy was filling the gas tanks on his boat.
The name of the boat was No Agenda.
And then he says, I should have taken a picture.
Yes, you should have.
Especially the no-agenda boat.
Yeah.
And you should have said hi.
I didn't know.
We were at the same gas station.
Me with my no-agenda boat.
Your no-agenda boat.
My boat.
Filling it up with gas is a stink pot.
And the following people are $50 donors, name and place.
Mike Westerfield, parts unknown.
Brandon Savoy, who I think we know where he's from, but it doesn't say here.
Patricia Worthington in Miami.
Dame Patricia.
Dame Patricia, sorry.
Robert Dracason, Dracason, Dracason, Dracason.
He's in Oshkosh, Bogosh, Wisconsin.
Michael Vickland in Sweden, $50.
John Haller in Missoula, Montana.
Richard Gardner, our friend Sir Richard in Parts Unknown.
Jason Brockman in Hamilton, Ohio.
Jesse Nolet in Arlington, Texas.
Zachary Hanslick in Jameson, Pennsylvania.
And he's got a...
He just finished off paying his student loan debt this week.
So he is debt-free!
Yay!
And he's got a birthday, so he's on the birthday list.
That's fantastic.
Birthday and congratulations.
And last but not least, Kyle Meyer in Atlanta, Georgia.
And I want to thank all these folks for helping us out, help produce and support and contribute to the show 842, No Agenda, with the fantastic material.
I was just, as I was reading that note from Zachary, You know, they've been interviewing some guy about Trump University and how they were scamming people and getting them to pay $34,000.
I'm thinking, all this time spent on Trump University.
Have you looked at the scam that is university in general?
Where you force children to slavery?
We're not going to talk about that.
Well, Bernie was talking about it.
Bernie was talking about it, and when Bernie was talking about it, Hillary slammed him for talking about it.
You can't do it.
It's not practical.
This is the way it was when I was a kid.
I mean, at some point, there's not going to be anybody left who got free tuition, but I remember it.
And it was doable.
It worked out fine.
I want to thank everybody.
Of course, we have another...
Hold on a second.
One more thing.
Then they bring in these lotteries to all these states that are supposed to support the education system and make billions of dollars, and then that money just...
Where does that go?
This whole...
I'm sorry.
Yeah, that's okay.
I get it.
Thank you, people.
Thank you, people.
You have a kid in college still, do you?
No, they're all out.
No, she's working for a living.
Oh, good.
Is she paying you rent?
I still give her an allowance.
I know.
I know.
I got the same problem.
Thank you all very much for supporting us.
No, it's not a problem.
When donations are low, it's a problem.
Yes!
Sorry, I can't help you with your allowance this week.
Please remember us for our show on Sunday.
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There we go.
And we start with our belated birthday present.
Vladimir Landman says happy birthday to Sir Bernie Ataman.
July 5th was his birthday.
Zachary Hanzlick celebrating tomorrow.
Jason from Canada says happy birthday to his husband Emilio, turning 32 today.
Krista Zimonek, happy birthday to our amazing husband Noah Zimonek.
And Anonymous says happy birthday to Anna in Miramar Beach, Florida, turning 29 on July 16th.
And we say happy birthday from all your friends here at The Best Podcast in the universe.
And no nightings, no title changes, no nothing else.
I have a couple of clips as we wind it up for today.
Kind of underreported, but of course there was so much going on with the...
Black, white, and blue.
Ashton Carter, our Secretary of Defense, announced something.
I'm pleased to report today in that connection that we agreed for the United States to bolster the Iraqi efforts to isolate and pressure Mosul by deploying 560 additional Yeah,
yeah.
It's like, hey, over there!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hold it up like that and pull the trigger here.
560 extra ones.
This, of course, did raise some questions.
In the State Department.
Wait a minute.
Do we have mission creep?
It was done in full consultation and coordination with the Iraqi government.
All of our troops in Iraq are there at the invitation and the support of the Iraqi government.
That won't change with this additional deployment.
What do you say to critics who are saying this is definitely a mission creep?
Because...
And what kind of role?
I know you might follow me to the Pentagon.
What kind of role they might play in the world?
You're right.
I'm going to refer you to the Pentagon.
But listen, it ain't mission creep if the mission ain't changing.
And the mission's not changing in Iraq.
He says, it ain't mission creep if the mission ain't changing.
I'm going to refer you to the Pentagon.
But listen, it ain't mission creep if the mission ain't changing.
And all of a sudden he's like on the streets.
It ain't, baby.
It ain't.
Shut up, slave.
Well, they've sent a bunch of troops to South.
If you want to see Mission Creep, you're going to see this one.
South Sudan.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, my goodness.
Which one?
Which clip on South Sudan?
CBS? There's two.
Yeah, there's two.
Yeah, one is about the voice.
Wait, wait.
This is a South Sudanese accent.
And I recorded it for one reason only.
Can I do an African...
I've always thought it would be good to do an African accent.
Not for racist reasons, but just because it's a funny accent.
South Sudan accent.
Play this clip.
The gunshots were too much.
So we got confused.
People were running.
Since that time, since that Saturday till now, the bullets and the shooting, even at night, we see the gunfire, the bullets in the air moving in red color.
So we are afraid, even we fear to go back.
Now, Trevor Noah...
He's from South Africa.
When he does stand-up, he does all the voices of Africa.
Oh, that's great.
And he is hilarious because he nails these voices.
He goes from culture to culture.
He can do that voice.
But anyway, let's play.
Here's the clip.
South Sudan CBS. Thank you.
In an important developing story, 47 American troops have been rushed into South Sudan to protect Americans and the U.S. Embassy.
It was five years ago that the U.S. brokered a deal that created the world's newest nation, splitting it from the rest of Sudan.
But civil war between rival ethnic groups cleared again this week.
The U.N. says more than four million South Sudanese are threatened by famine.
Uh-oh!
Where's Clooney?
You've got something going on and you need a distraction called Clooney.
Four million.
Four million.
Yeah, what happened to his Eye in the Sky project?
Four million are threatened by famine.
Well, they did a wonderful job in South Sudan, creating the country and then abandoning it.
And this ethnic thing is really Muslims versus Christians from what I can tell.
This is all about oil.
At the end of all the stories.
All the oil.
They created the state.
They have to send the oil up to Sudan, to the north, for it to be refined.
And this is...
Who knows?
It could be the Chinese causing crap.
You know, I had a...
I took a ride to Austin from the airport, which actually works pretty well.
And the driver was from Libya.
And I didn't record it, but when the driver's from Libya, I'm like, oh, wow, this is great.
How do you feel now that we ruined your country?
And he had a very interesting take on it.
He says, meh, you know, things weren't great under Gaddafi, and people in Libya need to want it themselves.
This is never going to be solved.
It's going to take beyond my lifetime.
He says, the whole problem is...
OPEC divided up all the oil in the eastern region of the country.
So, you know, it's Jordan, it's Saudi Arabia, it's all the country, it's all divided up.
And so that's the whole business.
And so as long as they're holding on to the oil, the country can never recover.
Well, it's pretty interesting.
He wasn't mad at Hillary either.
He said, no, we only have ourselves to blame.
Well, good.
Yeah.
But people are hating us.
However, Richard Stengel, who is Undersecretary of State Public Affairs, he was on a show that...
Someone sent me a link to this and I was watching it.
And he explains why ISIS finds such an audience in Middle Eastern countries.
And the only thing he forgot to throw in was climate change, but this was an interesting little exchange.
I don't think it will come as a surprise to you, Congressman, or anyone on the committee, that in many of these places where they're searching out sympathizers, there's high unemployment.
There's lack of education.
There are governments that don't necessarily value free speech.
So there is this market of unhappiness that exists already.
I think now, because the digital caliphate is shrinking, they are looking for people who have mental health issues, who are psychotic, and they're trying to pinpoint those.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Hold on a second.
That right there is interesting.
He says the digital caliphate is shrinking, and so now they are looking for mentally unstable people?
Yes, that's exactly what he said.
You missed that when you clipped it?
No, I heard it, but that's not even the big part.
I was just like, wow, that's what you're going for?
I didn't think the digital caliphate was waning.
I didn't either.
I think we're all aware that in terms of...
That, the Muslim world, there are places where there are unhappy youth.
Although I'm happy to say the Bursin-Marsteller poll that came out a couple of months ago shows that 80% of the youth, 18 to 24, in the Middle East completely reject ISIL's ideology, even if they became nonviolent.
There's terrorism that goes by many different flags around the planet.
False ones.
Not all terrorism.
Can you back that up, back it up, back it up?
I want to know, what was that number?
I missed the number.
Youth, 18 to 24.
I need backup.
back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back the uh...
burst in my stellar poll that came out a couple of months ago shows that eighty percent of the union eighteen to twenty four in in the in the middle east completely reject uh...
isos ideology even if they became non-violent There's terrorism that goes by many different flags around the planet.
Not all television, not all terrorism is ISIL-based.
In fact, one of the things that we've seen...
Did you hear him drop the word television?
That's the one that I wanted to...
And this fits into the theme of this whole show.
I watched the whole thing.
He didn't come back to it, but this was a slip, a Freudian slip.
He had television on his mind as the reality of what these guys consider to be reality.
That's how I deconstructed.
Listen again.
ISIL's ideology, even if they became nonviolent.
There's terrorism that goes by many different flags around the planet.
Not all television, not all terrorism is ISIL-based.
What do you think?
I like it.
What was on his mind?
He was thinking television?
Play it one more time, one more time to see if we can really figure out what he would...
What's he talking about?
Completely reject ISIL's ideology, even if they became non-violent.
There's terrorism that goes by many different flags around the planet.
Not all television, not all terrorism is ISIL-based.
Maybe he's saying not all terrorism is meant for television?
Well, the sentence would have gone, not all television is ISIL-based.
Yeah, we know for a fact that most television is ISIL-based.
I don't know.
That's crazy.
All television is terrorism-based, maybe?
I don't know.
There's definitely weird...
Yeah, there's something there.
Maybe one of our producers can come up with a deconstruction.
We can't.
ISIL's ideology, even if they became non-violent.
There's terrorism that goes by many different flags around the planet.
Not all television, not all terrorism is ISIL-based.
In fact, one of the things that we've seen with the metastasization of ISIL is that it's become a brand of convenience for people who have grievances that have not Anything necessarily to do with ISIL's ideology.
And I should have said this in the answer to the first question.
One of the other misconceptions is that ISIL's content is all negative and filled with beheadings.
We estimate that 80% of their content is positive about the beauties and the joys of the caliphate and the duty of every Muslim to go to the caliphate.
So, for many people, it's actually an inspirational message.
So inspirational.
So inspirational.
Yeah, let's chop off a head.
Yay!
Yeah.
Well, I only have one clip then, if you're going to wrap.
Yeah, I got one more, but...
Well, you do yours, because mine is...
Purportedly funny.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
Then I will leave you with this.
This is your Democratic representative from New York, if you live in New York, Crowley.
And, of course, with Dallas, we need to get rid of guns, and how are we going to do that?
Through background checks.
Now...
A background check, which of course background checks are in place.
You have federal background checks.
What exactly do they test?
Well, we know that if you have a history of domestic violence or other issues with law enforcement, that that's a flag.
But I was unaware that this is the actual thinking of this congressman, is what he really wants the background checks to do.
And we've been talking about this, have been harbingers of things to come, and here it is.
Once this guy gets into some bill writing, this is what you'll see.
The issue of gun violence is not going to go away.
We know that.
We just know it.
This could very well be a very hot summer.
We don't know what ramifications will come.
Hard to predict.
But what we do know is that there will be more people killed by guns and people who ought not to have those weapons because a thorough background check was not in place to make sure that people who have mental incapacity, who have terrorist attacks, Thoughts who have criminal thoughts or records or behavior that would lead law enforcement to deny them access to those weapons.
That's what we're looking for.
That's what the American people are looking for.
Before it's a crime, it's pre-crime.
You have criminal thoughts, son.
No gun for you.
Criminal thoughts?
Yes.
Criminal thoughts.
But you gotta think, the guy believes this, that a background check involves probing your mind for criminal thoughts.
Yeah, hypnotize you, see if you get criminal thought.
Well, now that you got a stupid thing like that, I have a different clip.
Yeah.
It was stupid.
It wasn't stupid.
It's stupid.
I want to play another.
Thanks.
No, I mean, no, there was a stupid clip.
The guy was an idiot.
Yes, of course.
This is another one.
This is Ellison, the congressman, the Muslim congressman, is all in for Hillary as part of the DNC's platform committee, and he says this.
Now, Politico talks about the language adopted in the platform.
They describe it as sharp language on Wall Street reform.
What does that mean, Congressmember Ellison?
Well, I think that they don't really appreciate the fact That the role of Wall Street is to take people who have money to invest and put it to businesses that need the investment.
That's what they're supposed to do.
That's all they're supposed to do.
But what they've done is used that intermediary role to reap massive profits for themselves and to put the economy at risk.
And, you know, there is this philosophy that any regulation of business is somehow interfering with this sacrosanct market concept and should be discouraged.
I disagree with that entirely.
Hmm.
He says, and they're showing the trading floor of the New York Stock Exchange.
I think he actually believes that when you buy stock...
You actually get some stock?
Well, when you buy stock, that the money is going to the company.
Oh, really?
If you listen to the beginning of what he said, the reason for Wall Street is so you...
Let's hear it again.
Let's hear it again.
Now, Politico talks about the language adopted in the platform.
They describe it as sharp language on Wall Street reform.
What does that mean, Congressmember Ellison?
Well, I think that they don't really appreciate the fact that That the role of Wall Street is to take people who have money to invest and put it to businesses that need the investment.
That's what they're supposed to do.
That's all they're supposed to do.
But what they've done is use that intermediary role to reap massive profits for themselves and to put the economy at risk.
Oh, man.
He's a congressman?
Yeah, he's Ellison.
He's that Muslim guy from...
From Michigan, I think.
From Muslimia.
Muslimia.
That's insane.
He just doesn't understand how it works.
He doesn't have a clue.
It's clueless.
Insane.
And he's a congressman making laws.
Okay.
Well, that's the reason for the efficiency government, if you want to.
Okay, so the clip I have, that's the last clip for me.
I'm done, too.
Cameron gave his last prime minister questions thing Wednesday night.
And it was...
A lot of jokes, and I said, somebody mentioned, oh, it's like a stand-up routine, you know?
And I noticed he has a certain cadence when he answers questions.
Somebody asked him a stern question, and he always answers, said, well, the good, honorable gentleman is right when he says this is, but the Labor Party's never done a good job about that, and we've done a great job, and furthermore, the guy wears red socks.
And then he gets a laugh at the end.
It's the same structure.
So I said, well, this is supposed to be funny, this whole thing.
I found one funny bit.
I have to say it's kind of amusing.
And I thought it would be a way to end the show.
This is Cameron.
And this is his last time we're going to see him as Prime Minister.
And this is his last appearance.
And he got a standing ovation.
And everybody had a great time.
And this was the only joke I thought worth clipping.
I think we're all still a bit shell-shocked.
But I think the main change that's happened in less than three weeks...
No, no, no, this isn't Cameron.
You've got the British ambassador, this guy.
I'm sorry, which clip is it then?
Last of Cameron gag.
Okay.
One day I'll explain why that's difficult.
I believe that politics is about public service in the national interest and that is what I've always tried to do.
This session does have some admirers around the world.
I remember when I did his job and I met Mayor Bloomberg in New York and we walked down the street and everyone knew Mike Bloomberg and everyone came up and said, Mayor, you're doing a great job.
No one had a clue who I was until eventually someone said, Hey, Cameron, Prime Minister's Questions, we love your show!
Okay, that was good.
Oh, man.
Hey, we love your show, baby!
Yeah, that's how we are in America, Cameron.
And I think it was another slight...
Dumb Americans, all they can think of is television.
I saw when they were leaving, I did see a moment that I liked.
As they were getting into the car, the kids were getting in the car.
Then his wife...
She had so much empathy for him.
She was stroking his back.
This guy hit him hard.
I think it hit the family hard.
I think he probably did.
It was really beautiful to see that.
That was a real tender moment, unlike George Bush, who clearly has been smoking K2. No, I'm telling you.
George Bush, did you see him swaying during the services?
I couldn't.
No, I didn't watch that.
He was high.
I'm telling you.
Cocaine.
Cocaine.
The guy was high.
It's possible.
And I feel bad.
I feel bad.
He looked like an idiot.
Well, if anybody wants to read light reading, read the Glennon stuff.
But definitely, if you want to read something funny on Wikipedia, because I decided to look it up as he came out of number 10 Downing to be replaced.
Number 10 Downing has got a Wikipedia entry page that is well worth reading.
This place was built in the 1500s and has always been under threat to be destroyed because it's a piece of crap building.
It's a security nightmare, pretty much.
Well, they've fenced off the area now, so it's not so bad.
And that door, by the way, takes eight people to lift this solid steel.
And the bricks...
Everyone should go read the Wikipedia page on Number 10 Downing.
The bricks...
You know, it's a brick building and it's all painted black?
Is Cameron going to take those to his new house?
Like, the brick house?
During one of the reconstructions, one of the periods where they rebuilt the building, it's 200 room house and meeting rooms.
It's 200 rooms.
And the bricks, and they start taking the paint off, the bricks were originally yellow.
Oh.
And it turned out that so much pollution for so long from this, you know, the coal burning.
The coal burning from all those years turned black and they decided, oh hell, let's just paint them black because that's what everyone's used to seeing.
They never restored them to the original yellow.
Very funny stuff.
Well, it'll be fun to have Boris Johnson now as the foreign minister.
Yes, that will be fun, actually.
That'll be great.
Yeah, good times.
Fun stuff happening.
Fun stuff happening.
Yeah.
Okay.
I've got as far as I can go.
I am.
And, well, we'll have more for you on Sunday.
Please support us.
Remember us at Dvorak.org slash NA. It is the value for value proposition.
We do the work.
You keep us rolling.
And, of course, the same goes for everybody who's helping us out, including Daniel Luce and UKPMX, who have been providing end-of-show tunes for us pretty regularly.
Hey.
Oops.
Sorry about that.
So that's the last thing I'll do.
Until Sunday, coming to you from the Crackpot Condo in the Skyscraper, downtown Austin, Tejas, FEMA Region 6.
In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.
We'll be back on Sunday right here on No Agenda.
Adios, mofos. Adios, mofos.
Adios, Adios, mofos.
Adios, Adios, mofos.
Adios, Adios, mofos.
Adios, Adios, mofos.
33, that's a magic number.
It's the magic number. 33. 33.
33.
33.
What do you mean by the way?
If you see something, say something!
I will have more to say about this as the facts become more clear.
For now, let me just say that... let me just say that...
Okie doke If we fall for okey-doke just because it sounds funny or provocative, if the tweets are a bunch of okey-doke.
In the morning.
Amen.
Fist bump.
Adios, mofo.
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