Broadcasting live from the capital of the Drone Star State here in FEMA Region 6.
In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
No South by here from the Pacific Northwest.
I'm John C. Dvorak.
Actually, I wanted to say post-South by Bliss, because it's over.
It is?
Well, I'm not in the Pacific Northwest either.
Today's the last day.
Last day.
It was mayhem last night.
It's not over if today's the last day.
Yes, everyone's leaving today.
Last night was mayhem.
All the hip-hoppers were in town.
What a mess.
There's guys on the street everywhere filming videos, you know, doing...
I love watching this.
Did you go out and roam around?
Yeah, yeah.
Tina and I went out to get a little, you know, do some little grocery shopping.
It was insane.
It really was.
Crazy town.
But it's over.
Over, over, over.
Well, and so you have the summary, the wrap-up, the wrap.
Yeah, the wrap is, thank God.
No.
I mean, some of the...
Actually, what I will say was completely different from last year or previous years that I've been here during South By.
Comparatively little people on the street or few people.
Even though it was pretty crazy yesterday, we have so many new buildings and hotels and venues indoor and comparatively less parking lots that could be rented out for, you know, the big companies like to put up their big blow-up things and stages on parking lots.
It was pretty much all indoors this year, which I think made it bearable for the inhabitants of Austin.
Well, that's a plus.
I know a lot of people didn't go to that you should go, especially the nerds from some of these Silicon Valley companies, and then they go to South by Southwest to kick up their heels.
Well, you know, it was also odd that there were a number of people who I definitely know who were in Austin, people from former companies who work for me.
No one reached out to me.
I don't know if that's good or bad.
What good are you?
I don't know if it's good or bad.
Yeah, I guess I'm...
Curry, he's a podcaster.
Who gives a crap?
Yeah.
Hey, what's that guy doing?
He can't do...
Yeah, what's he doing?
What's he up to?
Have you heard from him?
Yeah, he's podcasting, man.
He's podcasting.
What a loser.
Oh, you know what?
I know that that guy...
That's what he's always wanted to do.
Always wanted to be a podcaster.
Yes.
He's always wanted to do that.
Well, good for him.
You want to get a hold of him while we're here?
Maybe get a beer?
Nah, screw that guy.
Nah, forget about it.
Even Jason Calacanis.
But he did reach out to me.
He did now.
Hey, let's go have a great lunch with barbecue.
Everyone wants to go to Franklin's Barbecue and stand in line.
Yeah, no.
Yeah, no.
My grandparents didn't fight in the Second World War for me to stand in line for food.
It's not going to happen.
Yeah, Franklin's is popular.
But Jason is funny, man.
But it's not like the only good barbecue.
You know, barbecue, it's got a wide range of characteristics.
And it's almost like, you know, I think we talked about this once before.
Somebody mentioned it to me.
He says, if you make a list of the 100 greatest guitar players, the guy at the bottom of the list isn't really that much different than the guy at the top.
There's a little difference.
Yeah, these guys got more style or he's got something going on or the barbecue's got some coleslaw on it.
It's comparable to the EOCD list of countries that are the most educated.
Thank you.
Right.
Which, by the way, reminds me of the thing.
It's not like the people at the bottom of the list, you know, like the U.S. is somewhere number 20.
It's not like we're complete, you know, comatose at 47.
But the difference is it's small percentages.
It's not like a huge.
And so the difference between that barbecue and the second best barbecue in town where there's no lines is probably minor.
Right.
Now, that reminds me of something we talked about in the last show.
I just wanted to get it, while I still remember it, I want to get it off my chest.
Yeah, yeah, sure.
You know, there's this survey, the UN survey of happiest people.
Yes, the one where Denmark came out as the happiest country alive.
Yeah, there's the happy, happy, happy Denmark.
It's based on a bunch of criteria, but it's not based on actually asking anybody if they're happy.
What?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, how do they determine it?
If people are...
If you've got education system, free health care, cost of living, police, police efficiency, all these things.
Let me ask you, in the criteria, did they add in the consumption of SSRI, prescription drugs?
Oh, hmm.
That just happens to be a coincidence.
So they assign a number to each of those factors, like, oh, you have free healthcare, boom, you got a number there.
You got free school, boom, another number.
And that all adds up to making people happy when they just look at the numbers of those government-provided facilities.
Is that the idea?
Yeah.
Hmm.
This is classic, kind of fascist.
Talk about fascism.
Yeah, United Nations fascism.
You are assigned a number.
You have this, this, and this.
You have to be happy.
You must be, because we've determined that this is important.
It's not like, you know, like, for example, it seems to me you'd be happier in France just because of the food.
Especially compared, no offense, Danes.
Especially compared to Denmark.
Does Denmark have the brown cheese?
Is that Denmark or is that Finland?
I don't know what they've got, but they're not a gourmet country like France, let's say.
Well, this is an outrage.
This is an outrage.
Yeah, I was thinking about it yesterday, and I don't know why it came to mind.
I said, wait a minute.
How are they the happiest?
Ask them if they're happy.
Because I was thinking about how every time I go to Denmark, they bitch a lot.
They're always complaining about the taxes, especially.
You know what?
To buy a Mercedes, you've got to pay more in taxes than the car costs.
Oh, horrible.
Travesty.
Well, the UN is off its rocker, John.
Because along with the happiness quotient, which we now know, thank you for doing that, gee, mainstream, it wouldn't have been that hard to just look at how they compiled the report.
When I listened to the reports on television, they kind of said how they compiled the report, but they never actually questioned how stupid this is.
Well, I have a comparison to show you how stupid it is.
As a part of this happiness push, it was United Nations, correct?
Yes.
This was all in coordination, apparently, to celebrate the International Day of Happiness.
They put together a report that must have cost $50,000 to compile.
It's a big PDF you should see.
It's huge.
Just for some bull crap?
It's even worse.
So what did they do to celebrate the International Day of Happiness along with this list of happiest countries on Earth?
They put together a little promotion, John.
Ban Ki-moon himself, the Secretary General of...
Mr.
Happy, as we call him.
Mr.
Happy.
Well, we're so thrilled because the UN and Sony are joining together to celebrate the International Day of Happiness.
And the campaign is called Angry Birds for a Happy Planet.
And it's going to inspire everyone to take action on climate change.
So there is the Secretary General...
Climate change, happy birds!
There is the Secretary General of the United Nations, Ban Ki-moon, standing next to a huge red angry bird.
Yeah, that's the classic one, the red one.
Yes, and the idea is to do things in the world to make people happy, so Angry Bird changes from red to green.
Stay tuned, here's Bunky himself.
Red, as the Secretary General of the United Nations, I'm happy to appoint you as our honorary ambassador for green.
Don't laugh.
Thank you.
Your honorary ambassador for green.
For green.
Yes.
Okay, now, as a part of this, oh, it gets better.
As a part of this, we have the actors who voice the birds in the movie.
Remember, this is a joint promotion with Sony.
So we have Jason Sudeikis, Josh Gad, and Maya Rudolph.
Now, it is so embarrassing.
Of course, these guys got paid a lot of money to do this, so they're in on it.
They have to do it, especially Sudeikis.
You can tell the guys, like, oh, man, if it wasn't for the $10 million, I would so not be here.
So they have to go up on the general stage at the General Assembly of the United Nations and You know, where we had Obama, we've had the...
Gaddafi was there before we killed him.
Everybody, you know the one we...
Yeah, it's just where you go.
The marble background.
You know what I'm saying.
The marble background.
And now they're going to explain, based on a script...
Mind-blowing.
Based on a script, they're going to explain to the elites of the world how this works.
The Angry Birds are going to use their huge popularity to help the United Nations in their efforts to take action against climate change.
Now, I know climate change makes me angry.
You know, what about you?
I mean, I'm pretty furious about global warming, to be honest with you.
No, me too.
They're reading the script.
Right.
Let's ask these guys for their help so we can calm ourselves down because I'm really angry.
Yes, really angry.
Please help Red Go Green by using your social media to encourage everyone to...
Conserve water.
Bring your own reusable bag to the store.
Oh, God!
So you have to tweet these ideas to change red angry bird to green angry bird.
Plant a tree or a garden.
Oh, let's go by.
I missed something very important.
What else can we do?
We can do good things.
Yeah, you can walk.
A tree or a garden, that's true.
A whole bunch of trees, a forest, if you will.
You can walk, you can cycle, you can use public transportation.
You can reduce, reuse, recycle.
Carry a reusable water bottle.
That's true.
A reusable water bottle.
Everybody say cheese!
And now they're doing a huge selfie with the whole GN assembly in the background.
Bullshit!
Oh, man.
How bad is that?
What a waste of money.
What a waste of time.
How demeaning for the whole process.
That's worth it, that part.
But what is the point?
Is the idea to say, be like Denmark?
Are we going to get those things?
This is Denmark.
Denmark is a happy country.
Be like Denmark.
Get those memes everywhere.
I don't know.
This thing is disturbing.
Yeah.
More than a little.
All right, let's see, what do we got today?
We got a lot of it.
Something completely different.
I did a, well, you, yeah, do something completely different, please.
I wanted, at first, well, no, we can get into that later.
I'm trying to think what might be a good way to start the show besides this.
I think we may have peaked.
I'm done.
I may have peaked.
Oh, yeah, you know, I was watching the Trump, one of the Trump giant Trump speeches, which he's cutting short now.
Yeah.
But the thing was, he, we've, maybe they've been listening to us because you were very critical.
No, no, no, he hasn't.
No, but I have, I've evidenced the contrary, but okay.
Well, okay.
But you are very critical of the music selection.
Yes, very critical.
The spinning dancer and whatever.
Elton John's spin.
And at the end of the thing, you can't always get what you want.
Yeah.
Well, they've dropped, finally.
What?!
They've dropped, you can't, I don't know what the beginning's like, but they dropped at the end, you can't always get what you want.
And they've finally come up with, they got one of those sports anthems.
So play this Trump's new theme.
Here's how he goes out.
Everybody go vote, go vote!
Y'all ready for this?
Is there more on this quote?
Yeah.
All ready for this?
Yeah, cool.
Get hyped up, everybody!
Yeah, that's a huge improvement over you can't always get what you want.
Did somebody finally wake up and say, hey, did you realize how insulting this song is that we go out on?
Yeah.
So, I thought you were going to go a little different there.
We've had, the Curry-Devorak Consulting Group has had a lot of different pieces of advice for the presidential hopefuls, and Trump really blew it.
And I think he, you know, I think he also may be losing it a little, just a tad.
He's 70, you know, so he can have senior moments.
Yeah, but this is not a senior moment.
It's two clips in one.
This is the protester.
Now, this was rather interesting what took place.
There's some dirty tricks going on again.
There was a protester, and the guy put on a Ku Klux Klan hood, and was like, oh, Trump.
So Trump...
Turns around and starts yelling at this guy, get him out, he's disgraceful.
He commits, Trump commits the ultimate sin, and you'll hear that in a moment, my ultimate sin.
And then, some guy punches him as this protester's being let out.
Now, what was interesting, and you may not see a lot of this on the mainstream, the guy who punched the KKK, so-called KKK protester out, was black.
A black Trump supporter.
So the narrative is kind of confusing now.
How do we do this?
There was a black Trump supporter?
How is that possible?
Now, if you go look at the New York Daily News today, I should have given you the link, actually.
New York Daily News, of course, is the biggest Trump hater.
They're the ones who call him a clown when he first announced, with a picture with a big red nose.
They're the ones who...
Zucker, was it Zuckerman?
Who's the guy who runs that thing?
He used to be on...
Mort Zucker or something?
Yeah, Mort.
In your Skype window, I'm sending you this link.
I want you to take a look and you tell me what you see in these pictures.
Tell me what you see.
If you saw the video, I don't know if you saw the video of this guy punching the KKK guy out.
Did you see this?
No, I did not.
I was on some other track.
Okay.
Then you may not notice what the New York Daily News has done here.
Do you have the link?
Are you looking at it?
Protester sucker punched, blah, blah, blah.
Now look at this first picture.
The guy in the red, white, and blue flag?
Yeah, that's the protester.
And then the guy next to him, you can see he's throwing that punch.
What's interesting...
A left hook.
A straight left.
They have done...
The guy in the video is twice as black as the guy in these pictures.
They have lightened him up in this photo.
The guy who punches out the KKK protester is black.
Not brown.
So they lighten him up so it's not so noticeable?
That is the accusation I'm putting on him.
Yeah.
Well, that'd be the Daily News.
Unbelievable!
In fact, the picture lower, where he's on top, looks like he's stomping the guy.
Yeah, which I think he did.
I think he did stomp him.
He doesn't, you know, he's not, yeah, he's just black-ish.
Now, well, you look at the video, and you'll see that it's, he is, however it went in their production process, the guy on the video is twice as dark as the guy in this.
And, ah!
No, they'd probably lighten them up.
It's very easy to do.
And you know they do that stuff on these newspapers nowadays.
In fact, the thing that I pushed out on Twitter was that crazy new technology where they can...
Make you look like you're saying stuff you're not saying.
Oh yes, I saw.
Before we talk about that.
Now here's 30 seconds.
It's two quotes.
First, Trump saying, get this guy out.
And I don't think I've seen any news reports saying it was a black Trump supporter who was kicking this guy.
And you can understand if there's a black guy and a guy's touting KKK, he may get a little angry.
But here's Trump making a huge mistake.
There's a disgusting guy puts a Klu Klux Klan...
There's the mistake.
I cannot believe of all the people...
He said Klu?
Klu Klux Klan, what a moron.
Klu Klux Klan.
Oh, I find that minor.
I didn't even notice it.
Yeah, but I've been harping on it, and here it is, Trump.
He thinks he's cute.
He's a disgusting guy.
That is a disgusting guy.
Really disgusting.
Now wait for the evidence I believe Trump is losing it.
A big wheel.
Big wheel.
So my daughter Ivanka, my wife Melania, they say, please now act a little more presidential.
I said, I can't until I finish my victory.
I'll act presidential.
We've got to have victory.
That's a man losing it.
That's a man losing it.
He better calm down.
He really better calm down.
Well, I mean, they're throwing everything they can at him.
Oh, man.
If you have a couple things, let's talk about it, because I do have a bit of a package I want to go through.
And I want to say, just as we do this, as we've gone into it just now, we talked about this in the last postmortem, that the Trump dialogue has got to be minimized.
On this show, specifically.
But meanwhile, we go right into it again.
It's very difficult to do.
I want to apologize, because there's some people out there that think that we talk about Trump too much.
But this is like the big news item anyway.
In the world, the world leaders are calling this guy Hitler.
How can this not be the number one news story?
Yeah, so this is good stuff, and it's entertaining, and it gives us the opportunity to really deconstruct the mainstream media, because we can see the kind of...
How it's done.
It's happening live before our life.
And how perverted it is.
Now, I have something that may help everybody, but I don't know if you saw this.
This is a recording from 1988.
Yes, this went around...
I wanted to make one comment to you, because obviously people who listen to the show can't see this, but this is a recording of...
I know what you've got.
It's the recording, since it's 1988, the recording of Oprah interviewing Trump back then.
And it was during the Dukakis race, and I think that was 1988.
I believe so, yeah.
And...
What I found interesting wasn't Trump so much, even though it looks like the same guys, he's saying the exact same stuff.
Exactly the same stuff, yeah.
It's very funny how consistent he is.
But what I found fascinating was Oprah had not become Oprah yet.
Right, she was, yeah, good point.
She was kind of this nervous...
Demure.
Yeah, kind of demure, lacking the projected self-confidence that she now has.
It was interesting to watch her because she was just a normal person.
She wasn't Oprah.
Also an audience that was just listening and nodding and continuing.
No one was freaking out about him.
And of course, Trump looked good back then.
He was a good-looking guy.
Clean cut.
He was actually, even when he was, in his college years, I think is when he was, I think he, over time, he's gotten more squinty.
Yeah.
Well, that happens, that happens.
Anyway, it's worth listening to.
Not like the YouTube video description claims, oh, this will blow you away.
No, but...
It'll blow you away.
No, it didn't blow me away.
But I thought it was...
Did not blow anyone away.
Put into context of what he's saying today.
It is exactly the same.
You took out a full-page ad in major U.S. newspapers last year criticizing U.S. foreign policy.
What would you do differently, Donald?
I'd make our allies, forgetting about the enemies, the enemies you can't talk to so easily, I'd make our allies pay their fair share.
We're a debtor nation.
Something's going to happen over the next number of years with this country, because you can't keep going on losing $200 billion, and yet we let Japan come in and dump everything right into our markets.
It's not free trade.
If you ever go to Japan right now and try to sell something, forget about it, Albert.
Just forget about it.
It's almost impossible.
They don't have laws against it.
They just make it impossible.
They come over here, they sell their cars, their VCRs, they knock the hell out of our company.
VCRs.
And, hey, I have tremendous respect for the Japanese people.
I mean, you can respect somebody that's beating the hell out of you, but they are beating the hell out of this country.
Kuwait, they live like kings.
The poorest person in Kuwait, they live like kings.
And yet they're not paying.
We make it possible for them to sell their oil.
Why aren't they paying us 25% of what they're making?
It's a joke.
This sounds like...
Political, presidential talk to me.
And I know people have talked to you about whether or not you want to run.
Would you ever?
Probably not.
But I do get tired of seeing the country ripped off.
Why would you not?
I just don't think I really have the inclination to do it.
I love what I'm doing.
I really like it.
Also, it doesn't pay as well.
No, it doesn't.
But, you know, I probably wouldn't, but I do get tired of seeing what's happening with this country.
And if it got so bad, I would never want to rule it out totally, because I really am tired of seeing what's happening with this country, how we're really making other people live like kings, and we're not.
What do you think of this year's presidential race, the way it's shaping up?
Was this the Dukakis race, you think?
Yeah, Dukakis.
Very interesting.
I think that probably George Bush has an advantage in terms of the election.
I think that probably people would say that he's got like that little edge in terms of the incumbency, etc., etc.
But I think Jesse Jackson's done himself very proud.
I think Michael Dukakis has done one hell of a job.
And George Bush has done a hell of a job.
You know, they all went in there sort of as semi-underdogs, including George Bush, and they've all come out.
I think people that are around all three of those candidates can be very proud of the jobs they've done.
You've said, though, that if you did run for president, you believe you'd win.
Well, I don't know.
I think I'd win.
I tell you what, I wouldn't go in to lose.
I've never gone in to lose in my life.
And if I did decide to do it, I think I'd be inclined.
I would say that I would have a hell of a chance of winning.
Because I think people, I don't know how your audience feels, but I think people are tired of seeing the United States ripped off.
And I can't promise you everything.
But I can tell you one thing.
This country would make one hell of a lot of money from those people that for 25 years have taken advantage.
It wouldn't be the way it's been.
Believe me.
Not much to say other than, huh, he's pretty consistent.
Yeah, very consistent.
When I saw that thing, I felt the same way.
I was like, huh.
He is so far beyond the point of no return.
He has to go all out all the way.
Well, let's listen to some analysis.
And we also want to mention, there's a couple things in play, and there was a clip I didn't play in the last show.
I do have it lined up for today, which people are unaware of because they keep talking about doing third party and all the rest of it.
Mm-hmm.
And play the loser law clip so people at least know this much.
The primaries, closed primaries, that elevates and sore loser laws.
I mean, if you lose your primary, you can't run in the general election.
That's in 46 states.
Explain what you mean by that.
So, in 46 states, if you were running against me in a primary for whatever party, you might be far more popular in the state or in the congressional district.
But if I beat you, even if only 25 people showed up, you can't run in the general election.
And so, I mean, you talk about democracy.
You know, we don't have one in our political system.
And the result of it is that people are who shows up.
The more extreme, the more ideological.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Interesting.
And then we have Rule 40, which is another little element, which I don't have.
I'm trying to look it up here in the background.
But Rule 40 is a Republican Party rule about conventions that you cannot go into a convention that's going to be disputed.
You cannot be nominated to be the president.
Or to be the presidential candidate.
Unless you have gotten X percentage of so many states, you're just knocked out of it.
It's called the Rule 40.
It was put in place in 2012.
But that's a federal election rule?
No, no.
This is the Republican Party.
Oh, okay.
This is their rules.
They have these rules for the convention.
This is one of their rules.
Hold on, John.
Step back for one second.
I still don't think international producers are understanding...
That all of this that you're seeing right now has nothing to do with the actual election.
These so-called primaries and elections, it's theater, it's PR, it's promotion.
It really has nothing to do with giving the people what they want according to the rules.
Yeah, there's rules involved.
So they put this rule in place, I think, to screw one of the candidates, and I can't remember which one, but Ron Paul.
Yeah, it was Ron Paul.
They did it to change the rules.
I think it was Ron Paul.
Yeah, they changed it in 2012.
Because Ron calls in the news about this because he's gloating over the fact that in the back rooms as we speak, they're trying to get rid of this rule.
Yeah.
Right now.
This was the rule change they did when Boehner came out and said, all in favor, say aye.
All again, say nay.
And the nays were clearly louder.
And it was even in the teleprompter where he said, oh, the ayes have it.
The rule is adopted.
Right.
I remember that.
Yeah.
And they can do that.
That has nothing to do with the election process in the United States, other than what we've been trained to believe is somehow you get some choice.
Yeah.
So far, this has nothing to do with real elections.
These are clubs.
That's why this is so fascinating, and we're having so much fun with it.
Yes, these are clubs.
And the club can have any rule it wants.
But some things remain the same.
We had that third-party run with Ross Perot, and he dropped out very quickly.
Gee, I wonder how they're going to work on Trump.
And now to campaign 2016 and new this morning, the Secret Service, FBI, and New York Police Department are investigating what sources tell CBS News is a threatening piece of mail sent to one of Donald Trump's sons.
The mail was sent to Eric Trump's Manhattan residence at 100 Central Park South, also known as Trump Park East.
A source close to the investigation says that the letter had a Massachusetts postmark and threatened harm to Donald Trump's children if he doesn't drop out of the race.
The envelope also reportedly contains suspicious white powder that preliminary tests say is not hazardous.
It's an old favorite, the white powder.
It's such a favorite way to do it.
According to ABC, they actually added a little more to the story.
I thought it was kind of interesting.
You might want to play the...
This is not too long.
You can...
But ABC does an excellent job of wrapping stories with a big package.
They run a little long, but they really cover everything.
And they, of course, have that llamas guy who's yelling.
Llamas?
Is Yamas, Yamas?
Oh, Yamas, yeah, yeah.
He's always yelling, yelling.
So, play that.
Trump's under attack from all sides tonight.
Trump's personal information reportedly hacked the FBI now investigating.
A threat also sent to his son.
And all of this as a growing number of mainstream Republicans organize against him.
Meet Romney tonight with his newest strategy.
ABC's Tom Yamas from Florida.
Tonight, Donald Trump fending off attacks from two very different forces, the Republican establishment and international hackers.
Greetings, citizens of the world.
The FBI and Secret Service, now investigating claims the hacker group Anonymous posted Trump's social security number and cell phone information.
We are very serious about stopping any proposed forthright by the fascist Donald Trump.
I think that's a different anonymous video than the one we played.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Trump's son Eric also receiving threats.
A letter containing suspicious white powder delivered to his New York apartment.
The powder turning out to be harmless, but the letter frightening.
I'd love to know what it was just for once.
Harmless.
Harmless.
If your father does not drop out of the race, the next envelope won't be fake.
And now, in a closed-door meeting...
How do the other guys leave that out?
I don't know.
...conservative groups strategizing ways to deny Trump the nomination.
And some prominent Republicans, like Senator Lindsey Graham, rallying around Senator Ted Cruz.
I think he is a Republican conservative who I could support.
But it's a reluctant vote of support.
Listen to what Graham said about Cruz just three weeks ago.
If you kill Ted Cruz on the floor of the Senate...
And the child is innocent.
What's he saying there?
I can't hear it.
You know, this is real disappointing.
I don't know who owns the original clip, because I've heard the original clip, and it's very intelligible.
This one here is just horrible.
I don't know.
Somebody picked that up from their cell phone.
Lindsey Graham is giving a speech, and he says, if you shot Ted Cruz on the floor of the Senate and held a trial in the Senate to convict you, you could not be convicted.
Because they have immunity?
No, because everyone hates Ted Cruz in the Senate.
It's actually the funniest thing that Lindsey Graham has ever said.
Let's see if we can listen to it then.
I wish I had.
You know, I have some where I have a better copy.
I can't believe ABC couldn't get the better copy.
If you killed Ted Cruz on the floor of the Senate...
And the trial is in the Senate.
Nobody can condemn you.
Like today, Mitt Romney announcing that he will caucus for Senator Ted Cruz in next week's Utah primary.
He's hoping enough people will vote for Cruz to deny Trump the delegates to win the nomination outright, forcing a contested convention.
Trump firing back on Twitter, posting, Mitt Romney is a mixed up man who doesn't have a clue.
No wonder he lost.
The back and forth with Romney continues.
Tom Yamas with us tonight.
And Tom Mitt Romney says he's voting for Ted Cruz in Romney's home state of Utah, not because he's been a longtime Cruz supporter, but because of his continuing strategy here.
That's right, David.
Romney wants to take away as many votes as he can from Donald Trump.
And he says a vote for anyone other than Cruz makes it extremely likely that Trumpism will prevail.
David, Tom Yamas with us from Florida tonight.
Tom, thanks for your reporting.
There's a couple of things here.
This Romney thing is completely out of control.
He was on the Kimmel show.
Yeah, I saw that.
Yeah, I couldn't get a clip because it wasn't interesting.
It was completely uninteresting.
Yeah, and he was a dud that he is.
And it just seems, you know, the weirdness to it, to me, is that I think it's pretty well known in the Mormon community that the evangelicals of the type that Ted Cruz is, which is a fanatic, Even though you don't get to see it so much, but it's worse than George Bush, George W. And they tend to hate Mormons.
Yeah.
With a passion.
Yeah, this real radical type, yes.
And the Mormons, you know, are...
I just don't see why.
There's a missing piece to this because there's no way that Romney's coming out of the woodwork the way he did.
And he's making a huge fuss that doesn't make any sense.
Maybe he's trying to fulfill the prophecy.
What's prophecy?
The man on the white horse.
Well, I don't think Trump rides a white horse.
No, maybe Romney wants to be the white horse.
I don't know.
Well, he lost before.
He's not going to win again this time.
I mean, he's just not...
I don't know what it is.
I don't know.
He has nothing better to do.
How about that?
But let's listen to this.
Let's get out of it.
I have a couple things.
I'm waiting, man.
I got stuff to do.
How about NewsHour Republican Party disarray, just to give us a little — because I do want to play a David Brooks clip.
Did you read his op-ed in The Times this morning?
No.
I will share.
The rift in the Republican Party over Donald Trump shows no signs of mending.
Just today, former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney announced on social media that he will vote for Senator Ted Cruz in the Utah caucuses next Tuesday.
Meanwhile, as Trump marches closer to the 1,200-plus delegates he needs to secure the party's nomination, some party operatives are scrambling for an alternative.
On Thursday, a group of conservative GOP activists held a closed-door meeting here in Washington to discuss how to block Trump from the nomination.
Here's Eric Erickson, who is one of the meeting's organizers, on Fox Business News Thursday.
The Republicans that they nominate Donald Trump are going to nominate the only politician in America more unpopular and less trustworthy than Hillary Clinton.
That's not where you start when you want to beat Hillary Clinton, but that's the reality of it with them, and I'm not going to play part of it.
For his part, a Trump policy advisor pushed back today with a warning for the Republican Party.
Here is what Sam Clovis had to say on CNN's New Day.
This guy with the big fat head.
Yeah, the big fat head guy.
Eric Erickson's no beauty either.
I would not want this guy representing me.
No, I think this was done on purpose.
Of course it is.
I'll listen to this and I'll tell you what I saw him on.
And I will tell you this, if the Republican Party comes into that convention and jimmies with the rules and takes away the will of the people, the will of the Republicans and the Democrats and the Independents who voted for Mr.
Trump, I will take off my credentials, I will leave the floor of that convention, and I will leave the Republican Party forever.
Good!
And that was...
Fat neck!
What a douche!
Complete douche!
Was there more on this?
I don't know.
...to the analysis of Shields and Brooks, that is, syndicated columnist Mark Shields and New York Times columnist David Brooks.
So, gentlemen, with that gentle note to end this week, David, where does the Republican contest stand?
I'm trembling at the loss of Sam Clovis from the ranks.
Yeah, Brooks wrote an op-ed in the Times, No, not Trump, not ever.
And you can only guess where that went.
Well, here, play this NewsHour David Brooks thinks they should do it clip.
And this, to me, I was appalled by this.
Trump's looking like the nominee.
I mean, he had this great night.
If he continues as he's been going right now, when my paper reported, our Upshot department reported, he will get what he needs.
So he's looking like he can get it.
There are two ways he could not get it.
One, maybe if Kasich drops out.
There are some polls that show if Cruz is one-on-one, he could make some inroads into Trump.
And then something behind the scenes or something fiddling with the rules.
I, of course, think they should do it.
But one of the features of this year is that Donald Trump has a monopoly on audacity.
All right, let me read some of his...
I think they should do it.
In other words, they should screw this guy.
You know what, the public...
Yeah, do it.
This is a classic...
In this case, Republican, the Democrats have them too.
Elite.
Yeah.
Such an elite.
But what's interesting is in his column...
It's not the candidate I want.
He admits to it.
He says here, so deference is being paid.
Pundits are coming out with their what-we-can-learn commentaries.
Those commentaries are built on a hidden respect for the outcome.
That this is a rejection of republicanism that wasn't working in points in some other direction.
The question is, should deference be paid to this victor?
Should we bow down to the judgment of these voters?
Well, some respect is in order.
Trump voters are a coalition of the dispossessed.
They have suffered lost jobs, lost wages, lost dreams.
The American system is not working for them so naturally they are looking for something else.
Moreover, many in the media, especially me, did not understand how they would express their alienation.
We expected Trump to fizzle because we were not socially intermingled with his supporters and did not listen carefully enough.
For me, it's a lesson that I have to change the way I do my job if I'm going to report accurately on this country.
Yeah.
Wow.
How did you miss half of the country being pissed off and being dispossessed, dude?
Unbelievable.
And so then he goes into, you know, they fact check.
He's a liar.
He's a liar.
The Republicans who coalesce around Trump are making a political error.
They're selling their integrity for a candidate who will probably lose.
About 60% of Americans disapprove of him.
Let's see.
John Trump is an affront to basic standards of honesty, virtue and citizenship.
He pollutes the atmosphere in which our children are raised.
He has already shredded the unspoken rules of political civility that make conversation possible.
In this in his savage guy have any sense of history?
No.
In his savage regime, public life is just a dog-eat-dog war of all against all.
As the founders would have understood, he is a threat to the long and glorious experiment of American self-government.
He is precisely the kind of scapegoating, promise-making, fear-driving, and deceiving demagogue they feared, the founders.
Oh, man, that's not...
That's pretty...
Wow.
That's outrageous.
Now, for people who think...
Talk about a demagogue.
Holy crap.
For people who are saying, oh, Trump only talks to himself, I was blown away.
It just, out of the blue, one of his advisors appeared with Brolf.
And this is Stephen Miller, who used to work for Jeff Sessions.
This guy is a professional.
This is a pro insider.
He's been inside Washington for a long time.
I think Jeff Sessions, who of course endorsed Trump, We're good to go.
With the anti-Hillary barking ad where it ends with Hillary laughing at Trump doing something silly.
I can't remember exactly what it was.
And so they play that and here's Stephen Miller.
There was a funny one yesterday with Hillary Clinton barking like a dog.
That was the Trump ad.
This is an anti-Trump ad.
Your reaction?
Well, I think Hillary Clinton comes out very poorly in the ad.
I mean, I'm not really sure.
Did her campaign actually make that ad?
No, it was a super PAC. Okay.
Who supports her.
She has nothing to do with the super PAC. But it's a pro-Hillary Clinton super PAC. So the guy's an analyst.
He's like, oh, okay.
Well, that was dumb.
All right.
The super PAC did a very bad job with the ad because it ends with that clip of a very natural, effective moment from the candidate.
So I think that's just strange just from, like, a professional standards point of view.
That's the Hillary laughing like a crazy person.
Donald Trump is going to have a huge election against Hillary Clinton because the issues the Democrats depend upon, Donald Trump is going to control.
Like the trade issue.
He's going to hammer Clinton on her support for the TPP, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and we're going to bring in the blue-collar voters, and she's going to end up having a very hard time connecting with them.
It looks like Hillary Clinton is now spending a lot more time focusing in on a possible run against Donald Trump.
Is the Trump campaign now spending more time focusing in on a possible run against Hillary Clinton, forgetting about the other Republican challengers at least somewhat?
Well, job number one right now is to go ahead and get 1237.
And that's where we're focused.
But you saw with our own ad that we're giving a little sampling, a little appetizer of how we're going to go after Hillary Clinton in the general election.
And again...
Well, this is good to know.
That was just a sampler.
Okay, a tease.
I'm happy now.
It's going to be a huge contrast on issues like trade and immigration, where we're going to side with working people, and Hillary Clinton's going to side with big business and corporations.
And, you know, with Lindsey Graham endorsing Ted Cruz, that's really a remarkable development because it means that the people who favor offshoring, who favor foreign policy interventionism, and who favor a failed legacy on trade are lining up behind Ted Cruz because they don't want anything in Washington to change.
So he's got some smart people on his side.
Well, that guy, definitely.
That's a smart guy.
Now, the funny thing about that Trump ad is that the production cost is all they paid because they put the ad on Instagram.
And every news outlet played it for free.
It's fantastic.
It's a great $2 billion of free media.
We're crazy.
And then it even got more play because Putin came out and said he was being insulted in the ad.
Yeah, I have some comments on that in a moment.
Which I think is bogus.
It's probably bogus.
But I have some fonts.
I think it's bogus too, but it got more ink for Trump.
Now, I've been working with Brian the Gay Crusader in Chicago.
And he's very tuned in to what's going on in Chicago.
And it's my belief now that I've done a little bit of research into it.
This thing, this protest that was scheduled at the Trump rally, regardless of who canceled it, Because that's now a point of contention.
It could have been extremely ugly now that I've seen this.
It's a little 15 minute mini documentary.
It's called Silencing Trump, Bill Ayers, and the Fire from Below.
Now this could be completely cherry picked, but what it looked like to me...
In the afternoon, this video kind of covers the people who are there.
It's moveon.org.
It's a number of different SEIU-sponsored organizations.
They were handing out free T-shirts, which is in one of these little clips, with a picture of Trump with Hitler on it.
Free T-shirts that were given out to everybody.
Signs.
But most interesting was Bill Ayers himself was a part of the organization of this rally.
Maybe you can help us with the Bill Ayers background.
Well, Bill Ayers is an old...
I'd have to look...
Let me look...
While you're doing that, I'll look him up so I can get his dates right.
But he's a very famous troublemaker...
It was from the Weathermen.
Was he from the Weathermen?
The Weather Underground?
I don't know if he was actually Weather Underground, but he was definitely in this SDS era.
A socialist something?
No, the Students for a Democratic Society.
And it was kind of a front organization.
And he was one of these guys who designed a lot of the techniques.
I think at the March on the Pentagon, I think he was behind that.
But he's behind a lot of the troublemaking, agitator techniques.
So what I'm going to do, so what I did here is, Ayers is in the clip three or four times, so I just stuck that all together, because, you know, who knows, but I just, I want as close to the facts as I can get.
He goes right into the 60s, all the 60s student protest stuff.
Right.
He's 71, so he's pretty old.
Right, and he was married to Bernadine Dorn, very famous agitator, founded the Weather Underground Students for, he founded Students for a Democratic Society.
There you go.
There you go.
Which was, I remember, I went one quarter to Cal State Hayward.
And there was a Student for Democratic Society meeting that I went to.
And I went to this thing.
And this is what college?
What university?
This was Cal State Hayward, which is now Cal State Bay Area.
I don't know what they call it anymore, but it's Cal State's system.
It's a secondary system.
And I went there for a summer.
And...
And actually, I continued one extra quarter while I was working, because I wanted to see if I could take 18 units and work full time at the same time.
And chew gum.
And this was like one of my errors in judgment.
And you wound up being a podcaster.
Wow, life is unfair.
Life is so unfair.
My biggest error in judgment, although it turned out to work out for me, was working two full-time jobs one summer and ending up with mononucleosis.
Oh man, where was Bernie for free college when you needed it?
Anyway, so these days are over.
So he founded that in the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
I have no idea what that is.
Yeah, he's a troublemaker, big time.
He's one of the organizers.
He's the best guy.
He's actually now a professor someplace.
Yeah, but he's in Chicago.
Oh, okay, he's in Chicago.
So he was part of...
He was part of the organizers.
So I've stuck his bits together so we can get a little idea of his thinking, which of course has not changed much.
Have you ever seen anything this big at the University of Illinois Chicago?
It's huge, and it's galvanized Latino students, black students, Muslim students, and white students.
And everybody feels like, look, this is a university.
We don't need...
Kind of organized hatred to be spilling into our center.
The answer is to out-argue it, to be smarter than it, to win over the people who are standing in line to go see him, to talk to them in a way that's, you know...
That's reasonable and honest.
And of course, I think it's a pro-Bernie or a pro-Democratic party.
I don't even think it's pro-elections.
Trump has galvanized a feeling that there's something loose in the land, and that something is dangerous.
And it's absolutely anti-American, and it has to be opposed.
Has to be opposed.
We have to convince them with force if necessary.
You know, the funny thing about the hatred thing is the people on that side of the equation, the Bill Ayer side in this case, that seem to be the most vitriolic, hateful.
I was watching one clip of some white, kind of a white fat chick, the only way to describe her, streaching at some guy for his wife.
This is a part of my package.
They're coming at you, baby.
I didn't pull it, so you got it, go.
Yeah, first we go into the ditzes.
You always want to interview some people who are around and ask them some questions.
Again, this could be cherry-picked, but this is one girl.
I think that's how it starts off.
Cute, blonde, probably about, you know, 5'10", not blonde, brunette.
And she walks by the camera and, you know, flips the bird, and the guy's like, hey, why are you doing that?
What's going on?
What's up?
When you stick up your middle finger at a camera, does that mean you're not here for hate?
No.
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me.
I'm free within the confines of my own mind.
All right, so just in case you didn't hear it.
Fuck you, you can't.
I won't do what you tell me, which of course is lyrics to a song.
I'm free within the confines of my own mind.
Yeah, this is what's at college.
I'm free within the confines of my own mind.
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me.
I'm free within the concepts of my own mind.
Do you go to school here?
Yeah, I'm a student.
Tell me about your shirt.
Oh, it's actually free.
This is a girl who has the Trump-Hitler shirt on, and she got it for free.
Free?
Who gave it to you?
No, actually, somebody gave it to me for free.
Yeah, they were just handing them out.
I think she doesn't know?
No, she knows.
She knows.
Well, she says she thinks.
I think someone gave it to me for free.
Yeah.
She doesn't know?
No.
No.
It was fun.
Everyone's out there.
We're having a good time.
I would have grabbed a bunch of those shirts.
Oh, I would have loved to have one.
Somebody gave it to me for free.
Yeah, they were just handing them out.
These are Stop Rumpf 2016 balloons.
I think that's pretty obvious.
In the shape of a penis.
22-inch likeness of them, notice no balls.
If there was one ball, it would be Hitler, but there are no balls on this one.
So that way it would be Trump.
Or Trump, excuse me.
He's the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler.
Fuck Donald Trump.
Yo, yeah.
Fuck Donald Trump.
And people just walking by, fuck Donald Trump, fuck Donald Trump.
I'm here for like, hate, I'm here for compassion and understanding.
I want to talk to people and be like, why do you think this person is a good leader?
Does Trump remind you of Hitler?
Oh my God.
I mean not like the whole concentration camp, not to like that extent, but like pushing us out.
The way he wants power.
Yeah, the way he wants power.
Who do you guys support?
Bernie.
Bernie.
Who do you guys support?
Bernie Sanders.
Bernie Sanders.
I'm supporting Hillary Clinton.
I'm leaning towards Bernie.
Bernie?
Yeah.
Fuck Trump.
And yeah, go Bernie Sanders.
Ah, there you go.
Beautiful.
Beautiful, kids.
Define specimens.
Now, here's the clip you were talking about.
So this guy is interviewing...
He's actually interviewing some brown girls.
And she comes over and she starts harassing him.
She says, hey, go away.
Almost like the university professor.
She's like, hey, go putting your hand in the camera.
And then the guy's like, well, what did I do wrong?
And then she holds up her iPhone.
And funny.
Yeah, that's the one.
Yeah, it's the iPhone.
Horrible person.
She's frighteningly creepy.
I watched this clip two times.
And then I watched it a third time with my eyes closed.
And it took me back to the Obama bot dinner where I got...
Yelled at for my white privilege.
It's triggering.
It's a trigger warning.
So she brings out her iPhone 5C, a blue color, and then she starts, who are you?
5C. Just to make a note of that.
I couldn't help myself.
She pushes the iPhone into the camera.
I'm like, okay.
But what she says, and the anger, and you have to see this clip.
It's in the show notes, 809.noagendanotes.com.
Her eyes, it's just, whoa.
Scary.
Okay, here we go.
What's your name?
What's your name, sir?
Where are you from?
I'm from Chicago.
What neighborhood in Chicago are you from?
What neighborhood are you from?
Gosh, I wish someone could come save me right now.
Right, well, nobody has to save you because you're a fucking white man who gets to do whatever he wants to in this space, right?
So I'm saying, no, you do not have permission to walk around videotaping women of color and Acting like you can do that and the rest of us can't.
Aren't you quite aware by holding that video camera on me that you are surrounded by your privilege?
Right?
Take your privilege somewhere else, please.
Alright?
Because your privilege is not welcome here.
So unless you are here to dismantle your privilege, please, find somewhere else to go.
Wow.
Well, there's a lot of opportunities there for that guy to say stuff like, dismantle my privilege?
Okay, I'll do that.
What do you do then?
How do you dismantle your privilege?
Okay, I think I've done that.
I mean, there's a lot of things.
But she was like a psycho.
And I don't think anybody not expecting something like this sort of conversation.
But I have seen...
No, exactly.
You don't know what to do.
It's like, what the fuck?
It's exactly what happened to me.
It's exactly what happened to me.
And it was the same...
You choked.
When I choked, yeah.
Oh, yeah, hell yeah.
So did that guy.
He just choked.
He choked.
I would, too.
You don't know what to do.
No, it's because you don't.
It's a completely new territory.
You don't have any lines.
You have not rehearsed this.
You have no idea what to say or do.
And so you choke.
But now, I think if we, you know, everyone should probably work on thinking that you might be confronted by one of these people and you should be able to deliver some lines back.
What would they be?
I'd love to dismantle my privilege.
Tell me how.
Tell me how right now.
Tell me how.
How do I do that?
You're all over this privilege thing, lady.
You tell me how to dismantle them.
Tell me right now.
Well, here's what she would say.
Go off on her.
She would say, you can't.
You just need to go away with your white privilege.
You can't take it off.
Just like a black person can't take off his skin.
Black people can take off your white privilege.
I don't...
That's what she should say.
You're right.
But I don't know that anyone ever goes back at them, so I think she would choke at that moment because she's not ready for that.
I'm pretty sure you can confound them.
Let me...
You know, this kind of thing that we talk about on this show, cognitive dissonance.
Yeah.
It's kind of all over the place.
And after you finish this little clip, I want to play a couple of examples of how it shows up in the public domain.
I have a kicker from this little mini-documentary, which was, I thought, kind of the fun thing at the end.
So they get this guy, and he's an interesting-looking guy, black shades, black hat on, not a baseball cap, but almost like a bowler.
And he's handing out t-shirts.
Clockwork Orange?
Yes, a little bit like Clockwork Orange.
That's creepy.
And the guy was handing out pamphlets and signs, and I don't know if he had t-shirts, and the guy says, who are you?
He's in there organizing a fascist mob that's ready to fight.
They're hungry.
Whoa, the fascist mob?
He's in there.
Trump wasn't there.
He's in there organizing a fascist mob.
He's not doing that.
These are lies.
This is what people believe, and no wonder they're responding like this.
He's in there organizing a fascist mob that's ready to fight.
They're hungry.
Ready to fight?
You were at one of these...
Stop, stop.
You were at one of these events.
Is that what you got out of it?
But I was not at the event...
Be organized as a fascist mob being ready to fight?
No, it was not at the one I was at, but this was the Chicago one where this whole demonstration was organized, and I think whoever said, Trump, don't come, or Trump talked to himself and said it, it averted a big scene, and it seems like this was really planned, and this was supposed to be the take Trump down, huge, remember 68, Chicago, you know, all of that.
It's been interesting to see the cops, this is something Brian the Gay Crusader said, and we looked at video together, 15-20 minutes of video, and outside, and cops were being assaulted, their hats being slammed off, and not a single person got arrested.
That's odd.
The mayor...
There's two things that I got from one of the reports.
The mayor told them that nobody could be arrested on that side of the equation.
And they should not wear their normal helmets because it would be bad optics.
Optics, yeah, right.
So they had no protective gear on, so that's why they were rollicking around all bloody.
They must be really burnt at the mayor.
Pissed off.
Yeah, pissed off.
Okay, let's listen to this kicker.
He's in there organizing a fascist mob that's ready to fight.
They're hungry.
We've got to deal with that.
Are you with RevCom?
I'm a distributor for RevCom, yeah.
And quick, what RevCom is...
It's the voice of the Revolutionary Communist Party USA. Oh, it's the Communist Party USA. Yeah.
Okay.
It's American as apple pie.
Yeah, and they're all for Bernie.
Now, do you remember the guy who went up on the, you may have seen this, on the lectern?
When Trump wasn't there and he was yelling and shouting and the cops are tearing him away.
I remember that, but I never saw a video of it.
I just saw the stills.
This guy's name is Jedediah Brown.
And he is...
This is not reported anywhere.
So he jumps up on stage.
He's yelling.
What is not reported is that he is running for the Fifth Ward Alderman in Chicago.
Gee, isn't that convenient to jump up there and show your face when you're in the middle of an election?
Isn't that interesting?
This, of course, is not...
Is that a good move?
This, of course, is not addressed on Fox Channel 2 in Chicago, who cornered him.
Don't even introduce him as a candidate for alderman.
...Hedidaya Brown, a Chicago anti-violence activist in the middle of violence.
Anti-violence activist.
He's running for a political seat or position, I guess.
Jedidiah, what were you doing?
Man, that's not going down in Chicago.
Yeah, but people got a right to speak and be heard.
What do you mean?
I utilize my freedom of speech.
Yeah, but even people you disagree with got a right to be heard and to hear.
Well, if you paid attention, Trump's the one who cowered out.
We did not stop it.
He postponed it before we even got to say a word.
Yeah, but that was rowdy.
So look, here's the...
You gotta admit that he was right...
What kind of an interview is this?
God, this is on Fox?
Fox Channel 2 in Chicago, yeah.
Oh, not at all.
Trump has had...
At environments where he has instructed people to leave out a rally, said he wished he could smack individuals, said he would pay for the legal fees of anybody who attacked it.
This is clearly...
No, he didn't say that.
He didn't say anybody.
He didn't say he would pay the legal fees of anybody.
The environment he wanted to create, he can handle it, right?
That might be so, but didn't you create the equal and opposite action?
Not at all.
And again, so here's the scoop and here's how it goes.
Alright.
I went to that rally trying to figure out, could America withstand a stomach, a hateful campaign?
Donald Trump being able to run a successful campaign in America in 2016 should be alarming to everybody.
So I wanted to see, is this real or is this just what the media portrays?
Oh, okay.
So he just wanted to go in and just have a look for himself and be wound up on the podium behind the lectern yelling, being pulled away.
I just wanted to see what was going on.
Got in the building.
I was met with racism, ignorance, bigotry, and a lot of hate standing in line trying to even get in the door.
And when I got inside, it was no different.
I'm not looking for confrontation.
I'm definitely looking forward to conversation, which is wild.
What were you doing up on the...
Stage.
Yeah.
I acted less crazy than that in a bar and got beat down.
Yeah.
I was not angry.
I was passionate.
It's what America's all about.
Oh, it's passion.
I was able to go on stage and put out a message of hope and a peace, but I was in a hostile environment, so don't misunderstand my faith.
Let's cut away to the tape for a second.
Peace?
That didn't look like peace.
You said it didn't look like peace, but you can't judge a book by discovery.
If you read my list, I clearly am saying America is already great without hate.
I was in a hostile environment, so my body language was aware of it.
My body language was aware of it.
Is there a way Trump welcome people into his tent, black people, people of color, and create a sort of an America for us?
I was there because I wanted to see.
First of all, I'm of the persuasion that it's not about Republican, Democrat.
It's about American values.
And I was there to see if Donald Trump would say anything that'll speak to me.
Okay, that's enough of this guy.
You know what I'm saying.
Now, on the heels of this, as we start to move away slowly, Elizabeth Warren did an interview on the CBS Morning Show with Charlie and Gail and the whole crew.
And she was very, very cagey about her answers.
Although I think she was probably correct in how she answered these specific questions.
But Mika, over there at the Morning Joe show...
She was very disappointed.
She's a big Elizabeth Warren fan.
And her analysis is incorrect, I believe, but it was an interesting moment both on the CBS Morning Show and the Morning Joe response.
But I think what's really happening here is that Elizabeth Warren might be trying to negotiate herself a very good position in whatever the Clinton administration might look like.
Senator Elizabeth Warren was asked yesterday about Hillary Clinton's paid speeches on Wall Street.
Now, you'd think the answer to that Would be crystal clear, right?
Elizabeth Warren?
Should Hillary release the Wall Street speech?
Of course she should!
That's what we'd expect.
Do you agree?
From Elizabeth Warren?
Yeah.
No.
Why not?
She wants to be Secretary of State.
Right?
That's what she said, right?
It's got to be.
Take a look.
Do you believe that Senator Clinton should release the transcripts of her speeches to Goldman Sachs?
Look, I think that our candidates are out doing what they should do in a primary.
They are debating the issues.
You're not answering my question, Senator.
What I'm doing is I'm telling you what I think should be going on right now in this primary.
It's a yes or no question.
Should she release the transcripts or not?
What I've told you is I think that the primaries are doing exactly what they should be doing.
And the candidates are being tested.
Oh, Mika, you must be so depressed.
Yeah, that's the girl.
I think she's going to be beat.
There must be something at play here.
That would be the worst.
Whatever you're doing, because that was obviously dancing around the topic.
I'm saying she was completely circumventing the question.
I'm not sure I would have continued the interview.
That was no answer.
There must be some negotiation underway.
I hope it works out really well, because we need her.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
You're right.
I don't know if it's Secretary of State, but she's clearly...
Yeah, that would be the job for her.
She'd be horrible as Secretary of State.
She'd be horrible.
Worse than what we've been watching with Kerry and Clinton herself.
I want to talk about Kerry in a moment, but first...
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And...
I'm trying to get this.
We've got a couple of people to thank.
We have a couple of people to thank.
Robert Weida.
Weida.
In New York, he's the executive producer, one of two.
$351.92.
And all he says is 80.9 quid times four.
To make up deficit and remove douchebag status.
And I think he's on the night list.
Is he on the night list?
Well, he's in blue.
And he might be.
That's blue?
Isn't it?
Kind of.
Yes, he's on the night list.
Yeah, he's on the night list.
Well, let me de-douche him first.
De-douche, de-douche, de-douche.
He's a de-douche.
De-status washed.
Okay, it goes from being douched to being de-douched.
Thank you, Robert.
And it's right to the top.
Yep.
Our second executive producer, Sir K-Town in Milltown, New Jersey, $333.33.
You've really outdone yourselves this time, he says.
He writes, I find myself struggling to accurately express my thoughts on the masterpiece that was Thursday's show.
Oh, thank you.
I think it was one of the top shows.
I couldn't even make it to the first donation segment without repeatedly shaking my head in utter disbelief.
The GOP official openly disregarding voters.
That was a good clip.
And the entire primary process was one thing.
But the CBS News models spoon-feeding anti-Trump propaganda to children.
What the fuck is wrong with these people?
That was pretty bad.
We have to play that again, by the way.
Because I was thinking about it, and I said, that was a great clip.
You got Borderline on that one, I believe.
Want to play it right now?
Want to play it right now?
Yeah, play it.
The 2016 election cycle has been tough for some adults to watch.
These students feel the same way.
Are you tired of them being mean to each other?
Yes.
Are you tired of them talking over each other?
Yes.
Are you tired of them making fun of each other?
Yes.
Where do you think all that started?
Donald Trump.
Donald Trump.
They pay close attention to a range of issues.
Immigration, gun control, terrorism.
Huh?
Those kids are really concerned about gun control.
Oh, yeah.
Donald Trump has...
That's a good note.
He says he actually felt angry and insulted by the lunacy of it all, as if these talking heads have all become disconnected from reality.
David Brooks admits it in that article you read, that he's disconnected from reality, because they don't care, they don't mingle, they don't go to the store, they send their, you know, people to shop for them.
Anyway, so they're disconnected from reality, they've actually forgotten human beings are actually capable of thinking for themselves.
I can't help but feel as if this whole thing is going to blow up in their faces that people will really rally behind Trump just despite the overly confident GOP establishment.
I think there's an element of that going on.
As for the Democrats, it seems that they are underestimating the momentum Bernie Sanders has with young people.
My brother and most of his friends will be voting for the first time this year, and they're all in for Bernie.
They're also, without exception, anti-Hillary.
They see her as a corrupt and dishonest elite.
Well, they nailed that one.
And will not support her should Bernie lose.
In fact, for them, the only choice is either Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump.
I agree with this assessment.
I'm seeing evidence of that.
I am also seeing evidence of it in my little group.
Oh, but I want to point out for the subreddit, we don't know anything about millennials.
We're idiots.
We're morons.
You know, I don't want to dissuade you from hanging out in negative environments.
It was hard.
It was hard.
But...
Well, there was a post.
What do you like least about the show?
That was the top gripe.
Oh, that we're idiots about millennials?
Yeah.
Oh, good.
You're going to love the clips I've got waiting.
None of the other candidates, he continues, are even being considered.
All this makes me wonder what will actually happen if the party leadership decides to flip their supporters of the bird, which they were doing, and choose one of their shills as candidates.
There may be a very large group of underemployed, highly educated young adults with a thing or two to say about it.
No matter the outcome, I can't wait to hear the endlessly entertaining deconstruction only the two of you can provide the best podcast in the universe.
As long as you remain the guardians of reality, the sanity of the public still has a chance.
Thank you for your courage.
You make me proud to be a knight of the No Agenda Roundtable.
So why did you put out a statement that was misleading?
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
No, that's not my understanding.
Ow, ow, ow, ow.
Ow, ow, ow, ow! Ow, ow, ow, ow!
Poor lady.
You've got karma.
Thank you very much, Sir K-Town.
Alright, that was a good note.
Sandra Langston in Austin, Texas.
Your town.
That's right.
$218.
She did send an email in.
Let me go open it.
Alright.
I donated $218 this week for the first time.
Not enough to climb out of douchebaggery, but eventually I will.
I will.
I enjoyed you guys for quite some time.
$218 is approximately the number of transatlantic flights I've made since living in southern Italy and Austin simultaneously since 1982.
Wow.
Had the early ship crossings, and I probably had a Moses-like effect on the tract of water.
Okay, I gotcha.
An excavation of Greek tombs and reconstruction artifacts and cranial facial was my specialty.
So she's, I guess, a reconstructionist that does archaeology or something.
Nice, yeah.
Anyway, she married a native in Italy, and my kids were born there.
She goes on.
She was also an artist, she mentions, and mentions a few personal things.
She says, one of my boys is now a master at Brewer.
Which is good.
I don't always agree with your theories and who would, but often I do, and especially enjoy all the sampled mixes made by the producers.
Yeah, they're great.
Talking about what happens at the end of the show.
Yep.
She says, they are great!
Amen.
Fist bump.
The most recent one from Sunday's show with Barking Hillary.
What's the name of a good name from our band?
The Barking Hillary's.
Barking Hillary's.
Was the best yet.
Hence my overwhelming guilt and resulting donation.
We get to laugh and dance.
Keep it up.
We love you.
Let's give her some karma for her travel.
Absolutely.
Travel karma.
You've got karma.
And that is...
Is that it?
Is that it?
No, we have one more.
Oh, we do?
Ostenberg.
Ostenberg in Rotterdam.
I don't know why they see this wrong here.
It's right below it.
Like you won't scroll.
In the morning, JNA, on the last show, you talked about how people live in different realities depending on what they watch and or are listening to.
I would encourage new listeners to get their daily dose of No Agenda and cut down on the mainstream media.
You will then one day wake up in a different reality where you see the news media for what it really is, a big show.
I'd like to report back from Rotterdam and tell you that the house-finding karma worked!
I have now a much better place for myself and my cat here in Rotterdam.
To try to offend as many people as possible, even though I recognize Rotterdam as the modern harbor city it is, with its hardworking people building it up from the rubble it was after the Second World War, something is definitely rotten in Rotterdam!
With workable people, I'm reading verbatim, with workable people collecting welfare, sitting all day on socialist media.
That's a good one.
Socialist media.
That's actually a good one.
That's a good one.
Socialist media.
I don't write that down.
Socialist media.
I love it.
Where are we?
Sitting all day on socialist media, mainly face bags, talking about how we are all going to die if we don't reduce the use of plastic, just to give you one example.
Please give me a shot of karma, a new shot of karma, as I'm sure I need it in this sea of brainwashed people.
Luckily, I found bubbles in the sea with people who see the world as I do, so there's hope.
Thank you for your courage and sanity.
Greetings from Rotterdam!
Yo, yo.
You've got karma.
That's $200 more staying there.
Thank you so much.
Yes, and that concludes our little group of people here that helped us as executive and associate executive producers for show 809.
I want to thank them.
And also, we have some more people to thank later in the show.
It also reminds you to go to dvorak.org slash NA so we can bring these up a little bit.
We'd like to get at least five.
As opposed to, you know, two or three in this category.
All right.
And that show will be coming on Thursday, of course.
And that means you have four days to be running around and doing the important work of propagating our formula.
Our formula is this.
We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
Amen.
Hey, citizens.
Shamslaves!
Shamslaves!
I was going to move somewhere with you about...
Oh, yes.
Kerry.
Now, I was tracking something for the past week and a half, and I didn't even make clips of it because it was unclear to me what was going on.
In the back of my mind, I'm like, no, something's happening.
And it was yesterday that I started to put it all together.
And I had seen a clip of Matt Lee, our AP reporter at the State Department, getting all huffy with Kirby and About the missing of the date for the proclamation of ISIS as a genocidal group.
And, you know, they were supposed to deliver it on...
Sorry?
Yeah, no, this has been...
Yeah, no.
This has been a...
Amen.
Fist bump.
An issue.
Right.
But here's what was odd.
Everyone was saying, hey, how come you're not going to make the deadline?
The deadline is tomorrow, but you're already saying we're not going to make it.
You don't have respect for the deadline.
It's a Congress-imposed deadline.
Kirby was confused, didn't know what to say.
And all of a sudden, on 9 a.m., the day of the deadline, Carrie comes out, does this 12-minute piece of crap, regurgitating everything we've seen, right down to burning pilots, decapitating every high-end video we've seen.
And then says, clearly these guys are genocidal.
So then, that was odd, because all reporting showed that Obama, the White House, was against this classification, or was trying to delay it, and it's unclear whether Kerry...
Did it on his own power or something else happened, which I think is the case.
Well, as you recall, Kerry has done stuff like this.
He's the one who let the door open for the Russians to come in to help him get rid of those gas canisters in Syria.
I think I know what may be happening, but let's listen to the White House's response, which is really noncommittal.
Obviously, over the last few weeks, I've received a number of questions about this.
I know that my colleagues at the State Department and other national security agencies across the government have been asked about this.
What's happening in Iraq and in Syria is deeply troubling.
We do see this extremist organization targeting religious minorities.
In their propaganda, they're featuring evidence of trying to wipe out these religious minorities.
And the president has talked on a number of occasions.
Now listen to what he's saying, because I think this is where the clues lie.
About how this is deeply troubling and is an affront to every person of faith.
That's why the president has ordered military action.
Against ISIL in Iraq and in Syria.
In some cases there have been military actions that have been ordered specifically to protect religious minorities.
So there certainly is the example of Mount Sinjar, which we've cited here frequently.
This goes on and on for a while.
Then he's saying, oh, well, he was trying to get the people into Mount Sinjar, and, you know, it's all these genocidal moves they're making, and I've looked up the importance of classifying any group as genocidal, and there's only two reasons this could be happening.
One, there's some international criminal court claim coming, you know, saying you attacked...
Without reason, and this would be a rebuttal, saying, hold on, these guys are committing genocide.
Because when you say someone's committing genocide, a response is warranted, usually from the international community.
And that's where I think this is really going.
And the coincidence between this declaration and the rapid pullout of Russia must be related.
Must be related.
It's my thinking.
Well, I think we've mentioned that the rapid pullout of Russia is still not fully explained.
And it doesn't make any sense unless the idea was...
I mean, this one possibility, I've thought about this, exists where perhaps the Russians rushed in and started bombing left and right, and the whole idea was just to shore up their base area, their port that they own and use, and set up...
around and make sure that thing was secure and pretty much stop all activity by bombing the crap out of everything.
So nobody can really move around much.
And then once they were, they felt they were secure, they were, they put in some anti-aircraft missiles and some other things up and they could get out of there.
But I think getting out of there was that analysis at all.
So I don't know what's going on personally.
Somebody should have said something.
It appears to me that this genocidal categorization will make room for what now seems to be a backroom deal between Putin and either Kerry or the White House or both to replace Bashar al-Assad with somebody else.
So that may come with some violence, that may come, you know, something's going to happen.
Everyone's like, oh, well, you know, we just need to, it's not a big deal, we just need to label them as, you know, committing genocide.
Yeah, I think that means you're doing something.
And big.
And thinking is Putin got out before or as a part of it.
Hmm.
Well, something's definitely fishy about this whole thing.
And the initialization of this, you might be right about if it's just Kerry shooting his mouth off.
Who he tends to do.
And then the Obama administration doesn't want to be part of the pronouncement of genocide because then they have responsibilities involved and they don't want to take part in any actual work.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I think it's up for debate.
The coincidence is just too close for me.
But everything I'm reading, there was definitely a pushback from the White House on doing this.
And then Kerry was going to miss it.
He said, I'm not going to make it.
We're not going to make this.
Our assessment won't be done.
And then boom, all of a sudden it's done.
With no clear explanation.
I got it interesting.
I followed the capture of the last man alive from the Paris event.
Yes.
Yeah, I saw it too.
And I have a rundown of it.
Terrorists capture ABC long rap if you want to play.
This brings everything up to speed.
Again, ABC does...
These long packages that are quite informative.
But after you play that, there's a very interesting element that cropped up on Deutsche Welle.
Good evening, and we begin tonight with the breaking news, the dramatic shootout.
And tonight, one of the most wanted men after the terror attacks in Paris, now captured alive.
A massive show of force in Brussels, Belgium, and then this...
A series of explosions and then smoked several arrests, including the man believed to be at the center of a four-month manhunt across Europe.
And it turns out he was right in the neighborhood they began searching from the start.
Salah Abdeslam, cornered just yards from his family's home, wounded, but alive tonight.
And authorities now plan to grill him.
ABC's Alex Marquardt on the scene in Brussels with the takedown.
And this question tonight, who was helping him to hide right there where authorities had been for months?
Tonight, gunshots ringing out as heavily armed SWAT teams moved in.
Residents running for cover as one of the world's most wanted men is cornered on this Brussels street.
Salah Abdeslam, believed to be the man in the hooded sweatshirt dragged off the pavement by police.
Shot in the leg, you can see him limping as they force him into the car.
The special forces training their guns on nearby buildings looking for possible accomplices as an ambulance whisks Abdeslam away to the hospital.
Wow, what is that siren?
That thing's cool.
Yeah, I'm going to make ISO up.
ISO, yeah.
Back it up and play it again.
It's a new siren sound that's in and around Europe.
It's very spooky sounding.
Let's see, where is it here?
Here we go.
Oh, what?
Why is it?
Oh, we got a problem.
Houston, what's going on?
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
Would you do a rest of the clip?
No, no.
Nothing's responding.
Hold on.
What's going on here?
Okay.
Well, anyway, I've heard that, and I think it's probably part of a package, because if you listen carefully, they have that crazy, spooky sound, and then they push a button or something, and it switches over to a more normalized European-style siren.
But I'm sure somebody who sells sirens has dreamed up this new sound, and it's dynamite.
Part of what you're probably hearing is the Doppler effect.
No, I guarantee that's not a Doppler.
His newest strategy, ABC's Tom Yamas from Florida.
Tonight, Donald Trump fending off attacks from two very different forces.
The Republican establishment...
What is this?
I'm sorry, I'm completely wrong clip.
Something...
I'm sorry.
It's Donald Trump.
Donald Trump caught in Brussels.
That's not good.
What was the name of this clip again?
It was the ABC News rap.
Yeah, no.
ABC News...
Oh, no, that's not it.
No, that's the mistake I just made.
That's the mistake you just made.
Oh, terrorist capture.
Okay, hold on a second.
I'm sorry.
I'm not quite sure exactly what happened.
No, no.
Explosions and smoke.
Several arrests.
Including the man believed to be at the center of a four-month manhunt across Europe.
And it turns out he was right in the neighborhood they began searching from the start.
Salah Abdeslam, corner just yards from his family's home, wounded but alive tonight.
And authorities now plan to grill him.
ABC's Alex Marquardt on the scene in Brussels with the takedown.
And this question tonight, who was helping him to hide right there where authorities had been for months?
Tonight, gunshots ringing out as heavily armed SWAT teams moved in.
Residents running for cover as one of the world's most wanted men is cornered on this Brussels street.
Salah Abdeslam, believed to be the man in the hooded sweatshirt, dragged off the pavement by police.
Shot in the leg, you can see him limping as they force him into the car.
The special forces training their guns on...
The report I saw, he had no pants on.
No, he looks like he had pants on, but they were dragging him.
He wasn't limping.
That was a different guy who had no pants on.
Then they arrested him yesterday.
...building looking for possible accomplices as an ambulance whisks Abislam away to the hospital.
There it is!
Now in custody, guarded by mask maids.
The 26-year-old Abislam was the only survivor.
Oh man, I've nailed it!
I nailed it, I nailed it, I nailed it.
Now in custody, guarded by masked men.
The 26-year-old Abdissalam was the only survivor of the group of terrorists who carried out the highly coordinated, deadly Paris attacks that claimed 130 lives.
A French citizen raised in Belgium, he rented the car that drove a team of suicide bombers to the soccer stadium.
A match between Germany and France was underway, interrupted by those powerful blasts.
Abdeslam also rented the car that dropped off the ISIS gunman at the Bataclan Theater, where an American rock band was performing, freezing in fear as shots rang out.
There's so much that they know.
In the middle of this raid, we know this guy's fingerprints were in Paris.
We know he drove...
All this stuff we know suddenly is very...
You can actually stop that clip.
I need to say something about this guy.
Let's go to another clip, which is Deutsche Welle's clip.
Because I want to comment on what we hear in this particular clip and how it actually applies to our election and some other factors that people have been in denial about.
Play this clip.
Again, this was taken from a longer clip, Deutsche Welle, describing the same situation of capturing this guy in Brussels.
But this is an aside clip.
And this is the Brussels report no-go zone clip.
The point was that police had pushed back the press and of course the inhabitants who were curious to see what was happening.
And they were throwing bottles at them so the police would sort of make volleys with their dogs and come out and chase them away.
And you could feel the hostility.
So the police don't get much help there if they're really after people.
Nobody talks in that area.
And it seems that the Belgian services don't really know who lives there, who is connected to whom, who does what.
There are rental contracts running on names of people that can't really be traced back and so on and so forth.
It's a warrant.
And the police have really been trying hard to find Abdeslam.
They've done nothing else pretty much since November.
They feel a bit better now that they have managed to do it.
However, in the end, there are still other people out there.
The network seems to be rather larger than everybody had thought in the beginning.
Okay, now here's a couple things.
We're talking about this little area.
She calls it a warren, which I thought was acute usage.
Which is, you know, a bunch of rabbit holes.
A den, I guess.
A rabbit warren.
Well, a bunch of dens.
Endless tunnels.
And And they were throwing bottles at the police as they were in to get this guy.
This is one of those things that Trump mentioned once.
And other people talk about these no-go zones.
Yes, it's in the UK. The UK, London has them.
The UK has them.
This is obviously one.
They don't know who even lives there.
And we're talking about the police state of the EU. And everybody's, you know, spied upon.
But they don't know who these people are.
They're living right in the middle of it.
I find this to be just outrageous.
And they finally pulled this guy out.
He's been there for four months.
Nobody said anything, which means half the community there is probably involved in some sort of plotting.
I just...
Who's taken aback by throwing the bottles at the cops?
Oh, this happens all over Europe now.
Anyone who's coming to help some, but people are so angry.
Any rescue workers or emergency services have to have police protection.
They're coming to save somebody who was beat up in a bar, uprolls the ambulance and whatever, then people start throwing shit at them.
It's insanity.
This Salah Abdeslam, here's the problem.
This guy is gay and well known to be at gay bars in Brussels.
This makes no sense.
How does an openly gay guy get to be so involved in an ISIS terror plot?
I have no idea.
The Independent.
Independent's a pretty good publication, aren't they, from the UK? Yeah, that's okay.
Here's their headline.
What's the headline?
I'm going to read it to you.
Hold on.
Salah Abdeslam, who is the gay ISIS fighter who fled the Paris attacks?
And they have an interesting little rundown on them.
Yes, and let's ask the question if the ISIS folks are throwing gays off the top of buildings.
So we'll see if they bounce.
And...
How is this guy in ISIS at all?
I don't know.
These are the questions I have.
But you are correct about Brussels and this area, Molenbeek.
When I lived in Belgium, in Antwerp, we'd see this on television all the time.
Now we're talking 2004, that 50% of Brussels is Muslim.
The most popular baby names, Mohammed.
And it goes on and on and on.
And completely undocumented, not completely, but many undocumented or poorly documented.
And I saw some men on the street, interviews of this area, all in...
French or Flemish, and the Flemish I can understand pretty well.
And people are saying, yeah, it's kind of crazy.
We really don't know what's going on in our neighborhood.
This is not acceptable.
And it's not viable.
More importantly, it's not viable.
They can't allow this to continue.
And that means they're going to let it fester and make, you know, and this guy's probably part of this problem.
It's going to be a disaster.
They're going to end up having to kill a bunch of people or level the place with bulldozers.
You never know how this is going to end, but it's not going to end well.
No.
No.
It's a huge problem.
A problem you're not allowed to talk about still in Europe.
You're not allowed to talk about it.
For going on 16 years, this has been happening.
Yeah, you can't talk about it.
That's the thing that's really upsetting.
Yeah, because you're racist.
And they're trying to pull that stunt in this country.
In fact, that's the whole political correctness thing is leading to.
And that's what you're seeing with this woman screeching at that guy about his white privilege.
Yeah, you're surrounded in it.
Well, exasperating the situation is the deal that was struck yesterday between the EU and Turkey.
And it's so convoluted that it has to start working today.
Do you mind if I set it up?
I'd like to hear what you've come up with, because I ended up just coincidentally finding a guy, you know that guy like Herbert, whatever his name is, on France 24, he said...
When they have him as a foreign correspondent, he always gets to the bottom of things.
Well, Deutsche Welle has a guy similar to that, and he actually got to the bottom of this turkey deal, I think.
Oh, good, good, good.
To the point where you think, oh, well, whatever we were told is not actually true.
Okay, good.
I'll set it up.
Which clip is that, the one you want to play?
The problem is it's a very long clip, but it's so interesting.
No, that's good.
That's good.
The best migration rap, Max Hoffman, is the guy.
All right, but I'm going to go first to a report.
This is just before the so-called deal was struck.
Erdogan kicking it up in Turkey.
As Turkey's prime minister meets EU leaders in Brussels, there is fighting talk from the country's president.
Fighting talk!
Fighting talk!
Recep Tayyip Erdogan has warned EU leaders to consider their own record on migrants before trying to tell Ankara what to do.
His country will only listen to external criticism on its rights record when the comments are justified, he says.
The bombs we've had in Ankara could easily go off in Brussels.
Supporters of the PKK are allowed to demonstrate outside the summit venue.
The EU member states are behaving recklessly.
It's as though they're dancing in a minefield.
That guy sounds like a dictator, doesn't he?
No, I was going to say the same thing.
Erdogan, and actually his prime minister too, they scream, they sound like Hitler, They're not casually talking.
They're screeching and they get the hands punching in the air.
This is the guy that I'm worried about.
They're dancing in a minefield.
Observers have taken this as an apparent reference to the Kurdistan Workers' Party militant group.
A PKK offshoot has claimed responsibility for two suicide bombings in Ankara in the last month that have claimed the lives of 66 people.
At once pledged to amend Turkey's terrorism legislation following the latest attacks.
You won't be able to say terrorism is good, so freedom of speech being quelled there or squashed.
The second setup before we get into your clip is this was yesterday.
As the deal is sealed, but no one's really quite sure how it works or what are we doing?
The ink is still drying on a controversial EU accord to stop Europe's migrant flow.
But on the Greek island of Idomeni, where some 10,000 migrants are stuck in limbo, the refugees and aid agencies are calling the deal immoral.
Under the plan, Ankara would take back all migrants and refugees who have illegally crossed Turkey into Europe, even Syrians fleeing war.
In exchange, Turkey is rewarded with money and fast-track talks for EU membership.
Lucy Kerrigan is with the International Rescue Committee.
The deal is only going to lead to more disorder, more lack of dignity, more chaos for the people who are already here in Greece.
And the idea that you can base resettlement on conditions that people are returned from Greece to Turkey is unethical.
and it will only ensure that desperate people will only seek more desperate ways to come to Europe.
Proponents of the deal say it will close the main route by which a million migrants entered Europe in just the past year.
And thousands of Syrian migrants will still be taken by the EU directly from Turkey.
But deep doubts remain over the accord.
Even its architects aren't sure if the plan is entirely legal or even doable.
So the idea is they start sending people back.
And for every person that goes back they need to take a Syrian in return.
And you can only imagine, if you've made this journey, you wind up in the camp, everyone's in mud and dirt and nasty, and then, and I don't even know how they're going to start sending them back, you will be sent back, you go to the bottom of the list,
and I got a document here from Sub7Zero, who's in Syria, our big producers, he says, I got this document issued by the Lebanese General Directorate of Public Security, dated March 8th, regarding Syrian passengers, All airlines operating at the airport should adhere to the following.
Not to transfer any Syrian passengers coming to Lebanon if it's found that they had left Turkey to Europe illegally under penalty of returning the Syrian passengers on the plane they came in.
So if you are sent back and you then want to go to Lebanon, if it turns out that you had escaped Turkey illegally...
Well, the thing that was controversial to a lot of the news sources is the fast-tracking Turkey into the EU membership and giving them visas.
Which is odd, as we've discussed, because this is on track to happen anyway, but they want it to happen sooner.
Yeah, and it turns out, at least from this guy's perspective, that this is all nonsense because there's too many roadblocks to both of those things that are tricks that were built into this agreement.
The agreement actually may push it back further than they would have gotten it if they hadn't done this agreement thing.
All that the Turks are getting out of this, which is nothing to sneeze at, is just a lot of money.
Yeah, 6 billion euros again, in addition.
Yeah.
Let's listen to this so we get at least a sense of what might really be going on here and not to be too freaked out about it.
Well, DW's Max Hoffman has been monitoring these developments for us in Brussels.
Max, tell us about this deal.
Is everyone a winner in this deal?
Well, there are some that consider the EU to be the loser just because they weren't able to control the migrant situation by themselves and had to strike this deal with Turkey, with shady civil liberties record, as many claim.
But if you look really only at the agreement, Then you can say that the EU didn't have to give too much.
If you look at what Turkey actually wanted and what they got, then you could say the EU might be the winner on some of the issues.
For example, visa-free travel, as our reporter Lars Soltysik in his piece just pointed out.
There's no clear commitment to when this will happen.
Basically, all that the leader said is as soon as Turkey fulfills all the benchmarks, more than 70 there, by the way, then they're ready for it.
So this might be sooner, this might be later.
And as for EU accession talks, the only chapter they're opening is a rather harmless one, chapter 33, that deals with the EU budget.
So I didn't have to give too much there, except for a lot of money.
But if this really does work in the end, so if we really are capable, are able to transform illegal migration into legal migration, then it would be a success for the European Union, but that's far from certain.
How insane is it, John?
That someone comes to your country, your union, and says, help, and then you say, okay, back you go.
And you're deporting someone to a country that is not their own country.
This is legally so complicated.
Lots of countries within the EU voice skepticism about this deal.
Cyprus and France weren't keen on closer ties with Turkey.
Lots of EU states are just not keen on taking migrants in.
How have they been squared to get this unanimous deal?
Well, you know, the skepticism about the visa deal was there all along, but the decision to allow Turkey To have visa-free travel was taken long before.
At a different summit, they just wanted to do it in fall.
So now they said, okay, we're going to look at this faster.
And like I said, if the benchmarks are fulfilled, then Turkey will have the possibility to have it earlier.
So that's really not a big deal because the decision had already been taken.
Cyprus was a bigger problem.
Of course, huge conflict with Turkey, and they always wanted to block the EU accession talks, and they only allowed this one chapter to be open because Cyprus cannot block that one.
Yes, Cyprus is a problem, of course, in this now.
Yes, and Cyprus can block, and they've been blocking, but there's one, apparently this budget thing, they can't do anything about that.
But then he mentions something else that I don't think we're aware of, which is a reunification of Cyprus, which is underway.
Yeah, we did discuss that briefly.
But there's a while ago.
As for everything else, they continue to block it, but there is some suspicion, unconfirmed, that this might also have something to do with a possible reunification of Cyprus, which, of course, the Tyler Island is divided, and the German Chancellor did confirm that they talked about that a lot.
The deal has been criticized by aid agencies and the UNHCR as illegal and immoral.
How have these objections been addressed?
Well, they inserted a statement into the paper we saw earlier today, saying that they wanted to be in full compliance with international law, and they were also going to work together with the United Nations to assure that.
So on paper, it looks fine, but a lot of human rights organizations say that it's going to be very, very difficult to do that, because the time frames they have are very tight, and it's hard to individually check on every person arriving in Greece in a very short Period of time.
And then, of course, the human rights record of Turkey and what's happening in Turkey is a concern for many.
And we'll just have to see how this actually plays out in real life.
For now, we have the words.
We have the paper.
We've had that many times before in this migration crisis, of course, in different settings, but many times it just didn't work out on the ground.
And why should it be different this time?
A lot of people still are skeptical.
That's often in Brussels.
Thank you.
I was looking at a draft.
I don't think this is the final while we're talking.
There's some draft that has come out, but there's no mention of the money paid, but this repatriation process is lengthy.
So I'll have more on that.
Hopefully a final document by Thursday with these new additions that I was talking about.
Well, maybe the whole thing will fall apart like he says happened before.
But it's so interesting to hear this discussion about immigration versus the United States discussion about immigration.
In fact, I have a kind of a funny clip just to show you how delusional our politicians are.
Nancy Pelosi about U.S. immigration.
And she had a little...
Of course, Donald Trump, Republicans, everyone's shit.
We hate everybody.
They hate people.
They hate people of brown colors.
Everybody hate them, hate them, hate them.
Today, however, speaking of the court, the House Republicans continue to push their radical anti-immigrant agenda forward.
Before the Supreme Court.
House Republicans have brought forward a resolution authorizing the Speaker to file an anti-immigrant amicus brief with the Supreme Court.
But they won't tell the House or the American people what they are planning to say in it.
Will the Republicans yet again call for tearing apart families and deporting DREAMers?
Will they yet again suggest a religious test for prospective immigrants?
Hold on a second.
I don't think a religious test has ever been implemented, but okay, Nancy.
Will they ask the court to explore endings?
Well, she's pulling that trick where she says, will they ask to have their nuts cut off?
Will they ask to come in and then have to give blowjobs?
Will they ask?
It's just bullcrap.
She's just making this stuff up as she goes along.
It's like, well, will you ask whether, you know, you should give it, they have to come up with a million dollars to get it.
Will they ask?
Where do these come from?
Political speak to confuse people.
About the horrible Republicans.
Religious test for prospective immigrants.
But wait for her problem.
Well, they asked the court to explore ending birthright American citizenship.
Sadly, there's not much difference between Donald Trump and House Republicans when it comes to a record of appalling anti-immigrant statements.
Appalling.
An agenda of discrimination.
Now listen to her example and listen to our explanation.
It's ironic that they're having this vote on St.
Patrick's Day.
Last night we had a celebration of the Irish-American heritage.
While I do not have Irish grandparents, I do have Irish grandchildren.
And one of them was there at the dinner and we talked about immigration.
The rest, the Taoiseach talked about, Prime Minister of Ireland talked about immigration when he was here at the Speaker's lunch.
And what it's about is all the Irish who are here, 50,000 who are here who couldn't even go home for a family funeral.
Now, she says 50,000 Irish who are here who can't even go home for a funeral.
And why can't they go home for a funeral?
There's all the Irish who are here, 50,000 who are here who can't even go home for a family funeral because the law would not allow them to come back into the country.
And why can't they come back into the country, Nancy?
They are not here, shall we say, fully documented, and we need to...
You mean they're here illegally?
Not fully documented.
Wow!
Not fully...
Yes!
When you're here illegally and you leave, you want to come back in, you may trip an alarm.
Go home for a family funeral because the law would not allow them to come back into the country.
They are not here, shall we say, fully documented, and we need to change the law.
Comprehensive immigration reform.
There it is.
Fischak has asked for that over and over again.
They're not here fully documented.
That's what the immigration reform is all about.
Letting people stay.
Yeah.
Let him overstay their visa.
Yeah.
I got a lot of comments from people who said I was not entirely correct on the exit process in the U.S. Indeed, as you pointed out, there are some crossovers with airlines, particularly if you leave and come back in and you overstayed the first time, that is when you may get caught.
But it definitely is not the same as other countries where there's actual Border Patrol doing the exit process, which is the only comprehensive, and the pricing, and by the way, get it away from the Department of Homeland Security.
That's the problem.
You need to get the policing part.
Just get that away.
These guys are horrible.
They do not improve the...
My daughter, do you remember when she lost two passports and they put her on the shit list?
Now, for three years in a row, she has to go to the embassy, pay 200 euros, she gets a one-year passport.
She says, well, when can I get my 10-year passport again?
No, you're not ready for it yet.
We don't trust you.
Because she lost her passport.
One was stolen, one was lost.
That's Department of Homeland Security for you.
American citizen, born in America.
Yeah, that's terrible.
Let's go to something I picked up just casually.
This writer...
Kind of talking about the internet.
You know, he's one of these guys who decided to get on.
It's Douglas Rushkaugh.
It's a very well-known writer.
And he's got some book out about the internet.
You know, the future or something.
I'm not sure.
Oh, he's a futurist.
But he drew a huge millennial audience asking the questions because they need to know what's going on.
And I listen to these questions.
By the way, I've also heard this on an earlier clip, and I've heard Bernie do this, where you talk about something, and you're yakking about it.
Gong mask.
Cars out there, by the way.
And, you know, the ocean, the thing is bad.
What are you talking about?
That's exactly what I mean.
Okay, you got me.
What are you saying?
This sort of chat where you're just throwing in random stuff.
Right.
And Bernie, I had a clip.
I'm going to have to track this clip down.
I had it.
I lost it.
Where Bernie's yakking away, and he throws in just a little phrase in the middle of nowhere.
It's got nothing to do with what he's talking about.
So let's listen to Millennials.
They had the question and answer part.
I got three clips.
And the guys are so good.
The guy's name again?
Yeah.
This is Douglas Rushkoff.
He's giving a speech.
It's on C-SPAN Book TV. And so we have two people coming up to ask questions.
And I want you...
I'm going to start with...
This is nonsense question one.
I want you to try to tell me after this question is asked.
Or maybe you could try to answer this question.
You began with the argument that velocity of money, superior.
You articulated a bunch of ways in which community-based solutions can develop real goods that are both economic and social and moral and all those sorts of things.
But at some point along the way, you noted, oh, then you still are going to have your iPhone that got made here and there.
And so I'm really curious about where is the division between This community-based economy, this prioritization of the velocity of money, and what are the things that either must or ought remain in a more industrialized society?
Yeah.
What was the question?
I don't understand the question.
Is that, like, outrageous?
Yeah.
Must or ought?
And at the very beginning, he just throws a word in.
This is a millennial.
Hmm.
And they can't formulate simple questions.
And they intermix.
And this is something I think needs more study.
They intermix commentary with speeches, with pet peeves, with the question.
And the question is confusing.
And they throw buzzwords in.
Velocity of money.
What's that got to do with anything?
What is the velocity of money?
I've heard this is a buzz phrase.
Let's look it up.
See what it says.
Buzz!
velocity of money can refer to the income velocity of money, which is the frequency at which the average unit of currency is used to purchase new domestically produced goods and services within a given time period.
In other words, it is the number of times one dollar is spent to buy goods and services per unit of time.
Wow.
So what's that got to do with the question?
I have no idea.
Well, it's a nonsense question, whatever it is.
Let's go to the next guy.
Okay, good.
This is a nonsense question.
Wait, hold on.
This is nonsense question Topper.
Oh, Topper.
All right.
Question about the global conversation.
Conversation.
I mean, like, for example, Wikipedia or sort of decentralized opportunities where the global aspect of it allows for certain virtues that I think fit with what you're talking about.
I'm just wondering how we sort of differentiate between those two.
Does that make sense?
In fact, Rushcott says no.
I'm going to hear that again.
What the hell does this guy say?
Let me listen again.
Question about the global conversation.
Are there...
What global conversation?
Oh, God, this guy's horrible.
I mean, like, for example, Wikipedia or sort of decentralized opportunities where the global aspect of it allows for certain virtues that I think fit with what you're talking about.
I'm just wondering how we sort of differentiate between those two.
Does that make sense?
The guy says no.
So he goes into part two.
He reiterates the same question.
So we're going to hear the same guy after Rushkoff was even too confused to say anything.
And he tries to answer the second when he does it again.
Let's play part two and you'll see.
He's elaborating on this, whatever that question was.
Okay.
How we differentiate between some of the global opportunities that That allow us to first find the niche out there of all the weird people that we want for that small,
but also be able to have the encyclopedia that can beat out the Microsoft encyclopedia because we've got the whole world, or blockchain possibilities.
I don't mean Bitcoin, but the possibility of, you know...
Hold on.
Blockchain possibilities.
Wow.
Is this a millennial in school or is this someone not in school?
I can't tell because they have their back.
This is the education you're paying $100,000 for, ladies and gentlemen.
Right here.
Blockchain opportunities.
Because we've got the whole world or, you know, or blockchain possibilities.
I don't mean Bitcoin, but the possibility of global voting and things of that nature.
Ah!
And also a conversation about, you know, nation states are probably not going to be the solution to most of our major climate problems.
We're going to have to have some kind of global coalition or initiative.
I'm just wondering where you see the virtuous possibilities.
I completely see where you're coming with the local, and I completely agree.
But I'm just wondering where you leave the solution space for the virtuous global possibilities.
I mean, I see...
The solution space.
Yeah, hold on one second, John.
Just let me commit suicide.
I can't believe I had to listen to that.
This is crazy.
This is cognitive dissonance, which the millennials suffer from, many of them, and these examples.
Just to listen to these two people.
He's just throwing buzzwords out.
It's incoherent.
A blockchain opportunity, not talking about Bitcoin.
Anyone who knows, even I know, this is a completely nutso statement.
That somehow is part of the world and global voting.
This has not worked in the history of the world.
Turns out people don't like each other.
This is true.
Yeah, it's sad.
Well, one thing we...
The takeaway for me, John, is the velocity of money.
The takeaway.
Oops.
And global voting, global warming.
Global voting, global warming.
Blockchain, not Bitcoin.
Hey!
I'm going to show my support by donating to no agenda.
Imagine all the people who could do that.
Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
Yeah, on no agenda in the morning.
Hey, John, let's check out some blockchain opportunities, not Bitcoin.
Yeah, well, that's what we've got here.
We've got a few people to thank in process.
Sir Baz von Batteau in Batteau Bay, New South Wales, Australia, $80.90.
And he says he hasn't cost up a donation for a while, and now he's doing it.
Very nice.
Howard Lahore, $80.51 from Worcester, Massachusetts.
Baronet Sarah Bradley in Forestville, California.
She needs some relationship karma.
We can put that at the end.
Richard Gardner in Chicago, $80.08.
Nice.
And Baroness Sarah Bradley, by the way, is the only one who donated $809 for this show, $809.
And we did make a request for this, but in the note that was sent out in the last newsletter.
And so we got one.
Good to see the sad puppy back.
I'm glad the sad puppy didn't help that much.
No.
But I'm going to keep the sad puppy there for a while.
Sir Blake in Los Angeles, California, 70.
And these are the $70 donors, which was the weird number that was explained in the newsletter.
Very strange definition.
It's a Wikipedia.
I recommend people go read it.
It's quite interesting.
And 70 is the lowest weird number you can find.
Sir Blake in Los Angeles.
Brian Sidorowicz, I think, in Harrisburg, New York.
Sidorowicz, yeah.
Sidorowicz.
Radu Pertuck in Gross Isle, Michigan.
Hmm.
70.
These are all 70s.
Dennis Cruz in Beaverton, Oregon.
Home of the Mustard Company.
70.
Let me get my keyboard here.
Baroness Monica in Drayton Valley, Alberta, Canada.
Brian Herziger in Omaha, Nebraska.
Dame Jennifer in Charleston, South Carolina.
Joel Blazek in Reno, Nevada.
Jason Daniels in Dallas, Texas.
Josh Mandel in Greenville, South Carolina.
Steven Whalen in Milford, Michigan.
And he's got something here in a note in red.
What does it say?
ITM, guys, please call out Jeff Rice as a douchebag.
Douchebag!
He needs a good amount to start with after listening for two years.
And he asks for suggestions.
I think you should give him a suggestion, Stephen.
Michael Zelina in Lakewood, Ohio.
Eric Knoll in McDonough, Georgia.
Brian Leslie in Bremerton, Washington.
Zyman Marciniak in Poland.
Oh, that's one of our first from Poland.
Yeah, well, no, we've got another one from Poland.
I'm probably pronouncing the name wrong because Polish names, as they're pronounced in Poland, are quite hard to pronounce for Americans.
Yes.
Darren Turboville in Healdsburg, California, wine country.
Stephen Baker in Hoover, Alabama.
And that concludes our 70 weird number donors.
That's a good group.
I'm going to keep that up going until we have 100 weird donors finally donating.
All right.
Sir Rick in Arlington, Washington, 69-33.
Black Knight Sir Insight Jobs in Seattle, 66-66.
Jason Richmond in Redford, Michigan.
58.
Dean Roker in Great Britain someplace, I think.
GB? Gibraltar, maybe?
55.10.
Kilo Golf Bravo in Jacksonville, Florida.
52.22.
Steve Winslow in Bristol, Avon, Great Britain, UK. I guess GB is Great Britain.
Yeah.
Richard Duke.
These are $50 donors.
Every one of the ones I mentioned now are $50.
Richard Duke in Mattapone, Virginia.
Andrew Haverson in Gravenhurst, Ontario, Canada.
Bill LeClaire in Riverdale, Michigan.
Michael Gates in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
Chris Moore in Indianapolis, Indiana.
Diana Carruthers in Tumwater, Washington.
Simon Horne in Manly, Queensland.
And that's it.
Very short list today.
And I want to thank all these people and the ones that gave lesser amounts because of needs for anonymity or they just didn't feel like giving that much for show 809.
Thank you.
Yes.
Yeah, it could have been better.
Yeah, the little sad dog.
Sad dog did not bring it to us.
Right.
Well, we do appreciate everybody.
And please check in your boxes.
If you didn't get the newsletter, see what happened.
Yeah, see if there's some spam issue going on.
Thank you again, as John said, especially people under $50 who do not get mentioned.
Your monthly subscriptions are highly appreciated to support this show, to support the work, which I was thinking.
Do we remind people enough of the value of the program and how you can compare it to other things?
Or is that?
I don't think so.
I don't think we do anything enough, apparently.
Hmm.
Just going by the low number of donors today that we probably need to remind them more.
Just a reminder, you can listen to this program for free for as long as you want.
You don't have to do anything.
Just ask yourself, did you receive any value from it?
Was it comparable to any other value?
Like a cup of coffee.
Or a theater.
Once a month.
Theater, yeah.
Go to have a date.
Go to a Broadway play and become an Insta Knight.
Yeah, easily, easily.
Please support the program.
Dvorak.org slash NA. A bit of karma for everybody who needs it.
You've got karma.
All right.
Very short list today.
We've got one to be exact.
Doug says happy birthday to Jackie Taylor celebrating her birthday today.
Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe!
Bam, bam.
We've got a title.
We have Sir Beardmaster General becomes Baronet.
Congratulations.
You can find that change will be reflected at the peerage map, itm.im slash peerage.
And we have one knight today.
He was the guy who came in after a long time absence, I think.
Was he gone?
Weta?
Yeah, something like that.
Yeah.
Draw your blade.
I'm trying.
Robert Wieda, step on up!
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Did you get clip C? I did.
Oh, wait.
You're still doing it.
You're finishing, right?
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Thank you.
It really enables us to do this crazy stuff.
The show is good.
Full-time.
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The last show, which was a masterpiece, according to a number of people, resulted in less donations.
I find that they always be peculiar.
From television, I recall so many times...
Man, great show!
Fantastic!
We really kicked ass.
Ratings?
It's like the law of media.
When the crew and everyone, oh, we did a great job.
The audience, oh, great job.
Ratings!
Luckily, we don't have to deal with ratings.
Thank goodness.
So did you get clip C? I did.
It looks pretty long.
Yeah, you can play it as long as you want.
So I got the scam call, finally.
I teased this on my Twitter.
Oh, I didn't know about this.
Okay, what's going on?
I teased this.
Cool, cool.
So I got the scam call, and this time, so I went, and luckily it was great, because sometimes you get a scam call, and you want to record it, but the way you can record legally, generally speaking in California, since there's all these rules about wiretaps, is you put it on a speakerphone, and you record from the speakerphone, so you just record the speakerphone conversation.
Okay.
So, luckily, this call came in, which I couldn't record in time, saying that I was being audited by the IRS. I'm going to be arrested.
Yes.
I'm going to be arrested, and I better call this number right away.
This is the scam that we talked about on the show a couple weeks ago.
Yeah, it's great.
All righty.
And it's out of India or something.
They've got the cheapest lines.
Now, is this you talking to the scammer?
Yeah.
Dynamite.
So I called the number, I put the recorder on, and recorded the call, and here's how it went.
This call may be recorded for security.
Thank you for calling the Internal Revenue Service.
Yeah, I got a phone call that said to call you.
You received a phone call on the same number you're calling from?
Yeah.
Okay, may I have your first and last name?
Yeah, Frank.
Hello?
Hello?
Yeah, Frank Roosevelt.
This takes me back to the day of the Jerky Boys.
Yeah, totally.
Fabulous.
Okay, Mr.
Roosevelt, may I have your zip code, please?
Yeah, 94707.
Okay, Mr.
Roosevelt, I believe that earlier...
Mr.
Roosevelt, what a fine administration you put together back in the day.
I believe that earlier when you received the phone call, we were trying to ascertain your attorney's information as there are legal allegations on your name and the lawsuit has also been filed by the Internal Recognition.
So are you aware about the case?
No, I never heard of it until now.
Okay, sir, can you grab a piece of paper and a pen with you?
Yeah, hold on.
One second.
Okay, go ahead.
Alright, first of all, note down your case number.
Okay.
It is 202 IR11. Okay.
And also note down my badge ID. Badge ID? Ooh.
My badge ID. Yeah, what is it?
712.
Yeah, what?
712.
Did he say vag ID or badge ID? It was a little unclear.
Just 712?
031.
Oh, I'm sorry.
712?
031.
712-031?
Yes, that is absolutely correct.
Okay.
I love the boiler room in the background.
Boiler room!
And this guy, there's these long pauses and the boiler room comes, the volume comes up.
Yeah.
This is like some...
It's compressed.
It's like a shitty compression.
It's just sucking in soot, sucking in all the background.
Okay, what else?
Alright.
Listen to me very carefully.
Recently, an audit program was conducted on your tax returns for the taxes that you have filed in between the years of 2009 to 2013.
I believe that you do file your taxes every year, right?
Yes, I do.
Alright.
So, the auditors calculated your tax returns on the basis of your financial institutions and sources of income.
Now, they came to know that there are numerical miscalculations on your tax returns.
Oh!
Numerical miscalculations!
Are you worried at this point?
Are you sweating it?
The taxes that you have filed are not matching with the actual records that we have under your name.
Hello?
Yeah, go on.
Hello?
Yes.
So at this point of time...
You stop for a second.
So he does this a lot throughout.
He goes, hello?
Because apparently the line is so quiet on my side that there's two things going on.
One, he thinks I hung up.
And he thinks that because apparently, because I did a little research before I called this operation, people hang up constantly.
So they're hanging up in the middle of everything.
I would have been gone when he said, hello?
Click.
So when I did the research, I had...
Found that these guys on their side would hang up on the caller a lot when they started grilling them or saying anything a little off base.
They got to just hang up and go to the next person.
So I had to be careful that they didn't hang up on me.
Curiously, by the time this was done, I don't know if we're going to get that far in this thing.
I'm kind of liking it, I have to say.
Well, at the very end, the guy hangs up on me.
And he hung up on me when I demanded to...
Don't blow it.
Let's listen to it.
Okay, go.
I want to hear.
Could you also give us the number?
Everyone in the chat room wants to call their friend, their new Indian friend.
I will get the number.
Let's call that guy.
I have the numbers.
We should all call.
Hello, this is Frank Roosevelt.
Frank Roosevelt calling back.
Calling back.
You look up the number.
What did he say?
About a house in Washington, D.C.? What did he say?
He said that they're going to file their complaint in 45 minutes.
Oh no!
Oh no!
But before we do that, we have to ask you a few questions as well.
Okay, go ahead.
My first question would be that, have you done this miscalculation by any intention to defer the internal revenue service or not?
No.
Indentured service is what I heard.
I don't know if that's...
Well, John's probably getting the number.
No.
I'm sorry?
No, I'm sorry.
Of course not.
Wait, I gotta ask John what he said.
Yeah, did you have any indentured servants or something?
No.
Listen to that again.
That was pretty weird.
Internal Revenue Service or not?
Oh, Internal Revenue Service.
No.
Wait, wait, wait.
Here we go.
Intention to defraud the Internal Revenue Service.
Oh, intention to inform the Revenue Service.
Defraud the Internal Revenue Service or not.
Oh, intentionally trying to defraud them.
Oh my God.
Oh yeah.
He said, did you intentionally try to defraud the Internal Revenue Service?
Is that what he said?
Yeah.
I thought that was crazy.
I'm sorry?
No, I'm sorry.
Of course not.
Alright, so you have not done this list calculations by any intention, right?
No, it would make no sense.
Why would I do that?
What was the number?
How much do I owe?
Can I just pay it?
At this point of time, Mr.
Roosevelt, there is an outstanding tax liability of $2,411 still pending on your name.
Now, if you have not done these miscalculations by any intention, then according to the federal courthouse, there are two options available with you.
Oh, here we go.
Does it involve your credit card at any point, John?
Curiously.
Well, we'll make care of this matter.
Would you like me to go through them?
Yes, yes, please.
All right.
According to federal courthouse...
Option number one states that if you think that there is nothing wrong with your tax returns, if you have enough evidence to prove these things, then you can hire a criminal lawyer.
Yeah, go ahead.
You can hire a criminal lawyer?
Is that what he's saying?
Yeah.
Then in that case, you can hire a criminal attorney and dispute the case inside the courthouse.
Oh, nice.
Well, thank you for calling me.
I feel so much better now.
Yeah, I feel like I'm protected.
I'm protected.
Okay.
What's the other option?
Option number two states that if you are not looking for any legal access to be taken on your name, then...
This guy can barely read the script.
He's having a lot of trouble with it.
It's almost there.
We're almost at the big payoff.
Yeah, go on.
Yes, option number two states that if you're not...
Hello?
Hello?
Yeah, I'm here.
Hello?
Can you hear me, sir?
Yeah, I can hear you fine.
Alright, option number two states that if you are not looking for any legal actions to be taken on your name, if you are not looking forward to avoid...
Hello?
Hello?
No, the line is breaking, sir.
Hello?
Well, your line is breaking.
Your line is breaking.
It's a very poor line.
I'm surprised that the IRS has such a crappy, crappy phone line.
Well, Mr.
Russell, this is the Audit and Commission Department, so what else can you expect?
What did he say?
What was his answer?
He says this is the Auditing Department.
What else can you expect?
That's funny.
This is only ad-libbed the whole time.
It's a good one, though.
Sir, hello?
Yeah, what?
Hello.
The line is breaking, sir.
Hello?
Well, your line is breaking.
Your line is breaking.
It's a very poor line.
I'm surprised that the IRS has such a crappy phone line.
Well, Mr.
Oswald, this is the Audit and Commission Department, so what else can you expect?
I'm very very sorry for that.
So, not an issue.
Option number two states that if you are looking forward not to have any legal actions to be taken on your knee, then you can go for a settlement outside the courthouse in between you and the Internal Revenue Service.
Oh, good!
What option would you choose?
I think the settlement's probably cheaper.
Which option do you choose?
I think the settlement is cheaper.
So by settlement, you're going to say you are looking forward to go with option number two?
Yes, I can pay that easy.
Okay, the chat room is guessing $500 so far.
Maybe more or less, we'll find out.
Can I just...
Let me just write a check to the IRS. No!
Hello?
Hello?
Yes, can I just write a cheque?
In that concern, Mr.
Roosevelt, I would like to inform you that your banking information...
Your bank...
Hello?
Hello?
Yes.
In their concern, Mr.
Roswell, I would like to inform you that the ranking information that we have under your name states that...
Yes, states what?
Hello?
Yeah?
Hello?
Yeah?
Hello?
Oh, did you give the wrong answer?
I guess so, because he couldn't find it in the script.
He started off by saying, the banking information under your name is...
Then there was a pause.
And then he was fumbling around through the script, which is probably pretty big.
And so he's fumbling around looking for his...
What is it called?
Jump cuts?
What is that thing called?
Skip logic.
Skip logic.
He's looking around for the skip logic.
And, you know, skipping to the thing.
He can't find it in time.
And they just cut him off.
Or they cut him off.
He's hung up.
I have no idea.
But I got the number.
People can call it.
Alright.
Well, hold on.
First, you deserve this.
Clip of the day All right, give us the number.
We put a lot of effort into this show.
No kidding.
All right, give us the number.
All right, here's the number that he gave, and apparently there's a bunch of these.
If you look this number up, you'll find alternative numbers.
In fact, if you look up IRS scam, you will find a bunch of numbers to call.
But we want the exact number you called, so we can try and get his back.
Yeah, the number I called was 813.
813.
614-5693.
And can I have the last four of your social, please?
Yeah, I have it.
It's 1115.
Actually, what I did before I made the call, I figured out the name.
It was going to be Frank David Roosevelt, FDR. And I created a social security number, which they never asked for, which really stunned me.
6463333, get it?
Yeah.
1115.
But I never used it.
I never used it.
I didn't have to because he never asked for it.
But if I was one of the jokers out there who were going to call this, you could say you're Frank Delano or Frank Roosevelt.
Calling back because they hung up on you.
I like it.
You can take it from there.
You can take it from there.
I think I will call as Frank Underwood.
I have no idea why you've been calling me, Mr.
India.
So you could probably use pretty much any name, and these guys are in India, it sounds like, and they're in a huge boiler room, and they're just ripping people off.
The government, our government, has the phone number.
I just gave it out.
It's well known if you look it up on the internet, you can find a bunch of people moaning about this.
And I don't understand why they just don't go find these guys and just throw them in the slammer.
Is it possible that this phone call costs you $9.95 per minute?
I hope not.
Well, there's some speculation.
Well, it seems unlikely on my sonic.net connection with all free calls.
And by the way, one thing I did before I called was I turned off caller ID. Oh, yeah.
Very good.
Very good.
Turn that off.
Just in case.
Fun.
I like it.
I'm going to do that, too.
I'm going to grab one of those guys, too.
I'm on the list.
Keep getting calls.
While you were watching book TV, Mr.
Dvorek, I was watching the Appropriations Committee for the Armed Forces.
This is where they all go in and ask for money, for more money.
We're up to almost $600 billion.
There's a whole Ash Carter thing that I'm still dissecting for Thursday's show.
But we got the two statements from the guys who, of course, count.
We have General Daniel Allen.
Allen?
Allen?
Allen.
General Daniel Allen.
And he's from the army, of course.
Let's see.
Do we think he has enough money?
Can he continue to go?
Will it work?
Can I guess?
Can I guess?
Yeah.
He doesn't have enough money.
We are absolutely committed to delivering trained and ready forces in support of our combatant commanders.
That is job one for us.
For the United States Army, we delivered 91% of what our combatant commanders asked for in terms of known requirements for this past year.
That sounds good, 91%.
That's an A in many schools across the country.
With Common Core.
But that 9% gap is unacceptable to a combat commander, and we recognize that.
In addition to that, the Army has delivered 64% of the emerging requirements that came out during this past year of their total requirements.
So 64% of what they asked for that was unpredicted at the beginning of the year, we delivered.
And of course, the problem with that is that came out of our surge capacity build.
So while we're trying to generate surge capacity for contingencies, we must continue to answer the emerging requirements that are validated by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and the Secretary of Defense.
And the end result of that is I do not have a level of comfort that we are ready for a contingency of a major scale against our peer adversaries.
And therefore, I am very uncomfortable with the trajectory of our drawdown right now.
And I do believe it's time for a strategic review of, is that what is best for our nation?
All right.
Couching around a little bit, but it's clear we can't get to 100%.
This is not American way.
Let's talk to the Marines, General John Paxton.
And we do all of that at the expense of our bench strength.
We have tonight forces, which are ready.
Bench strength.
I don't know what that is, bench strength.
Yeah, I know what it is.
It's a basketball reference.
Oh.
And what does it mean?
It means you got your teams on there.
You got five guys out there playing, and you got guys on the bench that's going to come in.
Oh, that's your bench strength, what you have on the bench.
I get it.
Yeah, they can be crap, they can be crummy, they can be good.
As a quick aside, they brought a basketball last night.
News is on, and then all of a sudden something about March Madness comes on, and Tina goes, ooh, ooh, ooh, turn it up.
I'm like, what?
March Madness?
So guess what?
So she participated in the pool.
At work?
Oh yeah, yeah.
Brackets.
Yeah, brackets.
And she knows nothing about sports.
Well, she does, but she says, I don't know, I just filled in some stuff.
Though I guess there was some weird loss, there was some upset.
Oh yeah, big, big weird loss.
It was at Michigan State.
Yeah, Tina had called it.
She's winning in the pool, yeah.
That'll wipe everybody out.
It's called a bracket buster.
One team like that that nobody in their right mind would pick against them.
Tina, the bracket buster.
She's a bracket buster.
She's like, oh yeah, I'm going to win, I'm going to win.
Send me your brackets.
Beautiful.
All right, back to the Marines.
And we do all of that at the expense of our bench strength.
We have tonight forces which are ready, tomorrow night which is ready, and everything else is at some degraded state of readiness, whether it's personnel, training, leadership, equipment, and that is not only mortgaging the future, but that's mortgaging the surge capability to fight an operations plan against a known adversary where we're banking to have good indications and warnings Adequate lift and right time.
So I worry about the capability and the capacity to win in a major fight somewhere else right now.
We need adequate lift.
Wow.
You should fire that guy.
Yeah, you should fire all of them.
Adequate lift, bench strength.
Give me a break.
Talk English.
I know.
Oh, this jargon.
Jargon.
Jargon.
Just jargon.
Hey, you know what?
One of these congressmen, none of them have the guts to say anything bad about the military, but one of them is just to say one simple thing.
Well, you know, I think we can find more money for you if we audit the Pentagon.
There's probably a lot of...
We've already lost over a trillion dollars or something.
It's just missing.
No, no, no, no, no.
They're talking seven to eight trillion now.
Eight trillion.
Yeah, eight trillion.
Yeah.
I know.
They've got a budget of $600 million.
600 billion.
Yeah, 600 billion.
It's hard to fathom.
And they don't even know where the money's going.
It's outrageous.
It's unacceptable.
That right there is the reason why Donald Trump can't become president.
These guys.
Yeah, I agree.
Right there.
That's going to be the problem.
That is where all the money is.
Just follow that.
Even though it would improve everything.
Just getting the corruption.
Get rid of the corruption.
It's corruption.
Yeah.
And carelessness.
You know, if you got a check, for example, just because of some careless, stupid reason, a check in the mail, you got a check in the mail for, I don't know, $250,000 from the Pentagon, and it said, you know, consulting services.
Oh, lovely.
Yeah, it just showed up in your box.
You didn't do anything.
You didn't check in anywhere.
What would you do with that check?
Would you demand that they take it back?
Hookers and blow right off the bat.
Before I even cash it, I'm just going to think, oh good.
Apparently that's what's going on.
Let's go now.
Boom!
Yeah.
I found a really good deconstruction on RT, which kind of makes sense, of something you brought to the show a couple episodes ago about Germany and the Energiewende and the lawsuits now pending against the German government and Angela Merkel from the nuclear power plants who were forced to shut down.
And what I like about this RT report is they go back and they have a little clip Of the original announcement by Merkel, when she said, hey, they have nicely translated, and I looked in the translation, it's very accurate.
And then, of course, we go into what this means and what is happening right now in Germany.
Angela Hendricks has already said, quote, the government will not agree to any deals.
The decision to shut nuclear reactors down step by step was taken by Angela Merkel's government shortly after Japan's Fukushima disaster back in 2011.
We will abandon nuclear power completely, step by step, until the end of 2022.
And this path is a big challenge for Germany.
But above all, it means huge opportunities for future generations.
As a country, we think that we can become pioneers on the way to create an age of renewable energies.
Since then, the German nuclear companies have seen their profits collapse.
Germany has increased its use of so-called green energy, such as wind and solar.
But despite the country calling a halt to nuclear energy production, it continues to buy and use it from other countries, like France.
What?
Oh yeah, this is great.
You're going to get a...
We're going to get a former politician.
Cool lady.
She's retired, but she has this gray, long hair.
She looks dynamite.
Really interesting lady to look at.
She calls out Merkel correctly, I think.
Continues to buy and use it from other countries, like France.
Gertrude Holler, the former advisor to German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, sees controversy behind such a policy.
The problem for all neighbour countries, that's the first point, she didn't ask anybody.
To go in the same direction.
She bought and she buys, until today, nuclear energy from our neighbours.
Neighbours!
It is too dangerous to have those companies on our ground.
But some kilometers from that, the French nuclear companies would have the same problem when there is an accident as if it were on our ground.
It is ideology what she makes.
Yes, it is ideology.
So, you know.
Funny, odd irony to this nuke thing they're doing there is that if any country should be running and operating nukes, it would seem to me to be the Germans.
Yeah.
Yeah, but it's ideology, as the report correctly pointed out, right after Fukushima.
But, shutting it all down.
And a thought occurred to me.
This deal that they have, and of course mainly the Germans are heavily involved in the Turkey-EU deal, what, is there any way, so anyone who comes over, gets them back, then you take one that's registered, there's nothing, as far as I can tell, in this deal that would stop Turkey from letting a whole bunch of people go.
Just let them go.
Just have a continuous stream of crap.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, I don't know what's going to happen.
Anyway, is that it for the nukes?
Yeah, that's what I... I have something else.
Unreported.
Strange.
I don't know why.
A California student who went on a stabbing rampage on his college campus was inspired by ISIS. The FBI says Faisal Muhammad appeared to be self-radicalized, motivated from terrorist propaganda that he found, where else?
Online.
They say he acted alone when he stabbed four people during the November attack.
Muhammad was killed by campus police after the rampage.
This does not fit the narrative.
This is not good.
A knife?
Yeah, well this knife thing has become, we talked about in a recent show, the stabbing, replacing, shooting.
Yeah.
In the millennials' description of their complaints.
I'm going to stab that guy.
Right, right, right.
To stab Trump, you know, instead of shooting.
Right, so he probably was really radical, self-radicalized.
But the FBI either screwed up or didn't get to him in time and didn't get him, you know, the weapons.
Yeah, they weren't paying attention.
I got under the radar.
I got to read the complaint.
I got to read the complaint, see if they were setting him up or not.
Just odd.
Well, was there a complaint?
Because they killed him.
Oh, I guess there won't be a complaint then, will there?
No, there won't be anything.
You won't be able to find out anything.
Oh, that sucks.
Yeah, totally.
Yeah.
Not really tech news.
I'll just slide it in as kind of tech news because I really like that this happened for the people in question, for in general.
I thought it was something very good that happened, but it totally falls under the category of...
And now, back to real news.
Hogan sued Gawker Media for $100 million after they posted a video in 2012 of him having sex with a woman.
Hogan argued it was a violation of his privacy, and today his lawyers called the verdict a victory for privacy.
This is not only his victory today, but also anyone else who's been victimized by tabloid journalism.
Gawker's lawyers had attempted to prove that the video was protected under the First Amendment and that it was a newsworthy commentary on celebrity sex videos.
Gawker's founder has said they intend to appeal the case.
$100 million.
I love that.
Screw those guys.
Gawker.
Yeah, they took it too far.
It's interesting that that turned out that way.
We'll see how it goes.
Everyone wants to kind of fashion themselves at some point, and Gawker's like one of them, after TMZ. Exactly.
And they don't realize that that Levin character, the guy who runs it, he's like a heavy-duty attorney that knows what he's doing so far as what you can get away with without getting your ass sued.
I didn't know that.
I didn't know he was an attorney.
Yeah, in fact, he's on one, I think he's on the People's Court, I think is where he got his start on television.
Really?
He's the guy at the end on the People's Court show with, not Judge Judy, which is more popular, but this other woman who took over from Judge Wapner.
He's at the end asking these questions and then sometimes discussing legal issues as to why this case should have gone this way or that way.
He's like a, you know, just a guy.
He's not like the TMZ guy.
He's like some other guy.
Right.
Who knows how to roll with this stuff and make good decisions?
Yeah, apparently.
Well, screw those guys at Gawker.
Anyway.
You got anything else?
Yeah, I got one more.
This is the last thing.
It's back!
Flu season is getting worse in the U.S. and Washington State is no exception.
The CDC says each week the number of people going to the doctor for flu-like symptoms rises.
The main strain doctors are seeing?
H1N1. Right, the swine flu that hit hard in 2009.
The King County Health Department also reports mostly cases of the swine flu.
Doctors say it's never too late to get a vaccine.
Swine flu.
They're bringing it back, baby.
I can't believe that, but I guess so.
Totally.
Yeah, why not?
We got Zika.
We got everything that's beautiful.
Well, the last thing I have that I'd play today is, of course, this Flint, Michigan thing has become a political football.
Yeah.
Maybe for our international producers, you'll just give a quick update.
Yeah, the state of Michigan as a state is bankrupt, and mainly kind of a cascade effect because of Detroit going bankrupt.
I don't know if Michigan is technically bankrupt, but Detroit is, and they have to deal with all these little towns around Detroit, and the whole thing is a mess.
And there's this little town called Flint, Michigan.
And it used to be a big factory town, and now it's just a depressed mess.
And they had to put a...
I think it's part of the bankruptcy project.
They put a special prosecutor, not a prosecutor, a special administrator in charge of the little town.
And the guy, it's about a year or two ago, decided to, in a way to save money, switch the water supply from A to B.
Right.
And B just turns out to be the polluted Flint River.
And it's filled with lead and all kinds of horrible things.
Yeah.
And so over a year or so, the people started getting lead poisoning from the drinking water, and it became a big scandal as it is now, and they didn't know who to blame.
So they're blaming the governor, and I blame him too.
I think he's partly responsible.
But the EPA got...
I'm hammered by this because they didn't do anything.
The EPA is so involved in global warming, they can't really do their job.
I watched a lot of the testimony.
It really wasn't clippable because it was just guys yelling, yelling all the time.
I think Chaffetz...
Chafee Chaffetz, our buddy from Utah, goes after the administrator.
And I think this was the best clip.
And this woman who took over the EPA from the arrogant other woman, and she's this kind of Irish-looking...
Yeah, Gina McCarthy.
Gina McCarthy, very Irish.
And she starts off by, as he's starting to berate her, she's looking around and rolling her eyes.
And then he spots that and tells her to stop.
And she gets very contrite.
And then he rips into her.
This is a very good clip.
In February is when you first arrived on the scene, and it wasn't until January of the next year that you actually did something.
That's the fundamental problem.
Don't look around like you're mystified.
That's what happened.
Miguel del Toro showed up in February.
You didn't take action.
You didn't.
We consistently took action from that point forward.
There are a lot of people in this audience who reflect.
Nobody believes that you took action.
You had those levers there.
Mark Edwards from Virginia Tech, bless his heart.
No, just listen for a second.
Had the opportunity, they have said things like, we failed to get EPA to take lead and water risks seriously.
It's possible, another quote of his, and this is possible because the EPA has effectively condoned cheating on the lead and copper rule monitoring since 2006.
He read your op-ed that you put out that was one of the most offensive things I could possibly imagine, and he says about you, EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy that effectively absolved EPA of any wrongdoing or any role in creating the Flint disaster.
If you want to do the courageous thing, like you said Susan Hedman did, then you too should resign.
Resign!
She did not respond to that.
I saw it.
I saw it.
She had a sad look on her face, though.
Yeah, she did have a sad look on her face.
Well, sad.
Children poisoned.
Yeah.
It's horrible.
It's not even played up as much as it should be.
But it's all lead pipes.
This is not the last we're going to hear of these kinds of stories.
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff.
Apparently, Texas, the water in Texas is not so good either.
I'm following the story a bit.
Like, oh, mm-hmm.
The lead pipes.
All right.
Now, is there a game tonight?
Isn't it the Warriors playing tonight?
No, the Warriors played last night.
They're playing in a couple of days.
How'd they do?
They lost.
Oh, gosh.
They lost their seventh game of the year, which is 62-7 or something like that.
Just an outrage.
They weren't expected to win this game.
It's an outrage.
You just lose any games.
All right, everybody.
Please remember to keep us informed.
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If it's just a link, then tweet it out to us, at Adam Currier, at TheRealDvorak.
And, well, I don't know, what's on tap for the new world order this week?
It's always something.
Yeah, for sure.
More Trump bashing.
Well, we'll deconstruct.
It's getting good, though.
It's getting professional.
Yeah, we're going to get into the real dangerous stuff soon.
All right, everybody, thank you.
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How about a parasite baby?
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If there's a need for a rescue mission, when the world is threatened, and the world needs help, it calls on America.
And that's the story.
Boo-chuck-a-lacka!
Boo-chuck-a-lacka!
A lot of these bold things, he's making bold things.
And he's willing to destroy this country.
He has more power for himself.
He's willing to motivate.
A lot of these bold things, he's willing to motivate.
Amen.
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