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	Transnistria or Transmystria?
	Which one is it?
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, March 20th, 2014.
	It's time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 601.
	This is No Agenda.
	Masquerading as a debris field in FEMA Region 6 in the Travis Heights hideout in Austin, Texas.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from Northern Silicon Valley, we have nothing clever to say.
	I'm sorry.
	I stepped on your name, but I got...
	You stepped all over me.
	Yeah, well, I got confused.
	You did wing!
	Yeah, but that didn't mean I was going to say my name.
	I'm trigger happy, man.
	I'm trigger happy.
	It's the best podcast in the universe.
	Slap happy.
	Slap happy.
	Trigger happy.
	There you go.
	Well, it's official, John.
	No.
	Yeah, it is.
	It's official.
	Okay.
	Our news media has just shut down completely.
	There is no other news except Debris Field.
	Oh, God.
	I looked up the ratings.
	Bonanza.
	No, I was listening to one of the talk show radio AM guys who was gloating, saying, you know, he says, people criticize the AM talk radio guys, but we have not gone on to this craziness that they've gone on in their TV. And he explained it as a daily ratings boost.
	And I was listening to him thinking, wait a minute, you're telling me that these guys are getting hot ratings for this crap?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I have the numbers here.
	Hold on a second.
	Why is my...
	Hello, Firefox.
	You're slow today.
	Yeah, you gotta love that.
	Did you notice Google slowed way down?
	When you do a search, it takes forever for this.
	It used to be bing.
	It used to be pow, pow.
	That may be...
	That actually may be a DNS thing on your end.
	I've seen that with it being a DNS problem.
	Well, I don't have a DNS issue.
	No, no, of course not.
	We all have DNS issues.
	I'm using the Comcast DNS. How could that be bad?
	Well, there you go.
	That's your answer right there.
	I'll go to 808080808.
	Don't go to 88888.
	You should do the OpenNIC.
	Definitely do not do the Google.
	That's how they can hijack you.
	I like being hijacked.
	It's so much fun.
	Hold on a second.
	Here I have it.
	I got hijacked recently with the Icon Drop Trojan.
	Here we go.
	Here's the deal.
	If you get these guys, then there's also this thing called Highlighty or whatever it is.
	And so it puts all those double lines that used to be on webpages that you'd...
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	And you'd mouse over it and it pops up a little box with an ad.
	And so then people said, this sucks, and they stopped using it.
	Well, now there's an attack.
	Adware attack that just does it randomly or on any page.
	People who advertise on those things, you should never buy their product.
	Do you not have a blocker active on your browser?
	I have blockers.
	I get plenty of stuff.
	I'm sure you do.
	Here it is.
	It's true.
	Tremendous story that is completely in our wheelhouse, said a senior CNN executive who asked not to be identified, defining the network's strategy for its coverage.
	I'm reading from the New York Times.
	CNN's ratings soared last week, keeping with our aviation theme, and over the weekend, rising by almost 100% in primetime.
	They literally have doubled their numbers with this bullcrap.
	Have you watched any of it?
	It's unwatchable.
	And Fox does the same thing.
	It's unwatchable.
	I love the Martin Savage who...
	And we're back in the simulator here.
	Dude, you're in a simulator.
	What are you doing?
	Now, the whole thing is...
	It's disgusting.
	It really is...
	Of course, it's got all of the memes.
	This is how sad we are as a human race.
	We love all of this stuff.
	Ultimately, we're talking about 293 people.
	Sad, bad day, but it's not like that's the only death toll.
	The ratings are up.
	Yeah, ratings are up.
	Shut up, Curry!
	Who gives a crap?
	I heard...
	This thing got so out of control.
	Let's just get it out of the way right now.
	Here are the shark jumps.
	So the first one is Don Lemon.
	Now, he has six people in the box.
	You actually have clips from this guy.
	Oh, yeah.
	This is important to show you how the world could be burning down.
	In fact, it is in some parts of the world.
	And in America, no one would know.
	I'm not quite sure how it is in other countries.
	I'm sure the BBC is doing something else besides this.
	But then again, maybe not.
	But here...
	Just think of the resources.
	We have Don Lemon.
	He has a sexta box.
	So six people on screen in a box.
	A sexta box?
	He has three people in the studio.
	And he's reading tweets!
	What if it was hijacking or terrorism or mechanical failure or pilot error?
	But what if it was something fully that we don't really understand?
	A lot of people have been asking about black holes and on and on and on.
	Black holes!
	Black holes, John!
	Noah says, what else can you think about black hole, Bermuda Triangle?
	And then Deji says, just like the movie Lost.
	And of course, they're also referencing the Twilight Zone, which is a very similar plot.
	That's what people are saying.
	I know it's preposterous, but is it preposterous, you think, Mary?
	Well, it is.
	A black hole is about, you know, a small black hole would suck in our entire universe, so we know it's not that.
	Oh, so we know it's not that.
	Let me just check, John.
	Are you sure we have not been sucked into a black hole?
	This entire universe.
	Oh, man.
	It's just...
	It's all Mike holding you to her.
	It's...
	Yeah, right.
	Okay, so that was jump number one.
	Then...
	Here we have Brolf.
	And this is about Israel's response.
	And by the way, I got notes from Dutch emergency personnel, emergency rescue personnel.
	You know, the big nuclear summit is taking place any day now.
	And all of the Netherlands, they've got walls and gates and choppers.
	And the Dutch are going, what is going on?
	And one of our boots-on-the-ground producers says that he actually got notice from his superiors that they need to be on the lookout because you never know that MH370 could be used as a...
	No, landing in The Hague on the conference and killing everybody.
	This is...
	Yeah, yeah.
	And I said to the guy, I said, dude, are you sure that this is a...
	He said, oh yeah, I really got this information.
	So here's Brolf, and of course Israel has checked in, and they're very worried about this plane reappearing all of a sudden and crashing into Tel Aviv.
	I guess the big fear that the Israelis might have, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that this plane, this missing plane, may have landed...
	You're wrong!
	What?
	No.
	No, shh, shh, quiet now.
	...place it could be refueled and then used as a missile to hit one of those high towers in Tel Aviv or something along those lines.
	I assume that's what they're worried about.
	Yes, this is what we all assume.
	I woke up this morning and thought, if they could only refuel the plane and use it as a missile.
	They're worried about that, but they're also worried about the implication of what this means.
	And I was talking to an aviation expert there.
	He's been in the business for more than 25 years.
	Who should go on?
	Because he doesn't really exist.
	I'm just making him up on the spot.
	He helped design this sort of threat matrix assessment, which even looks at, you know, the number of people that are actually cleaning, mechanically working on the planes before they even leave the airports to fly towards Israel.
	He has a very worrying assessment.
	He says, look, in the past we were looking and scouring the passenger manifest going back a couple of decades.
	So it used to be we only had to be afraid of the passengers.
	We thought the passengers were the threat.
	Post 9-11, we thought the aircraft were the threat.
	He says what he's concerned about now is that the last ring of trust, as he calls it.
	The last ring of trust.
	The guy making $22,000 a year.
	May be broken.
	And that is the air crews.
	What he is concerned about now is the level of checks that the different airlines are making on their air crews.
	Some pilots, he says, passed those checks 25 years ago.
	He says they need to be Pilots of Terror!
	By the way, I should mention that there have been more than a few of these primetime dramas where the stewardess or some of their agents of the Russian government.
	So this is not like a new idea.
	It's taken right from fiction.
	So here's the final one.
	This is the final shark jump.
	This is James Hall, former NTSB chair.
	So the chair of the National Transportation Safety Board.
	Oh, I think I saw this guy.
	He's obviously got an agent.
	Well, he's everywhere.
	But he was on O'Reilly, and one of our producers pointed this out to me.
	Our producer actually clipped it for me.
	Listen to what he says.
	Now, this is the former chair of the National Transportation Safety Board.
	Your facts seem correct, Bill.
	My concern here is, you know, you have the lives of the flight crew, their families, as well as the individuals that were on that aircraft.
	So I think we have to be very careful and very responsible.
	I don't think we have been able to identify who's in control of the aircraft.
	The aircraft certainly made some very strange decisions Movements.
	Was anyone in control of the aircraft other than the flight crew?
	And the question electronically or with the cyber warfare that's existing, was the aircraft being remotely controlled?
	Aha!
	Yes!
	WTC7 won't go away!
	That's right.
	Just like 9-11.
	Remotely controlled aircraft!
	And it was going left and right, because, you know, it's a joystick.
	It's hard to control the 777 with a joystick.
	Okay, and then I heard this, and I'm like, okay, I'm done.
	I'm just done.
	Really, really unbelievable.
	Yeah, it was pathetic.
	But the whole scene in the media right now is really deteriorated to beyond pathetic.
	And I don't want to go way off topic, but I do want to play a clip that kind of is...
	It's actually in some odd way along the same lines.
	This is taken from the Jimmy Kimmel show.
	And this is Howie Mandel.
	And the clip is...
	What's the name of this clip?
	Humiliating the public.
	This is a clip...
	This, to me, tells me that...
	I mean, I thought this was the sickest thing I've heard for a long time, and I realize that a lot of the stuff going on right now, especially from these guys who are the higher-paid celebrities, they are essentially, they don't understand that...
	Especially in this dire time of an economic slowdown, they're dreaming up ways to humiliate the public and the public is going along with it.
	But it's a hidden camera game show which premieres the second season with celebrities and people do the most awkward, crazy things for money.
	Well, I'll tell you what the premise is, just really quickly.
	In a restaurant, we'll have cameras and microphones.
	We send a waiter over to call somebody back, and we just say to them, we just ambush them and say, you want to be on a game show?
	You want to win $5,000?
	If they say okay, we give them an earpiece, send them back out.
	They can't let the person they're with know they're on a game show or anybody in the restaurant, and they have to do whatever we tell them to do for money.
	So you can say for $1,000, the guy sitting with his son, you could say, tell your son that you are leaving her mother for another man.
	Oh, that's great!
	And you sit there and you go, will he do it?
	And if he does it, how are they going to react?
	And then if he does it, then we'll send in an actor.
	We'll send in the other man.
	Introduce your son to his new mom.
	Oh, wow.
	Stephen.
	Yes.
	This show should be called How He Ruins Lunch.
	You know, it's funny because Mickey had what is known as an artist talk yesterday.
	You know, where the artist, and she's doing a show with Peggy Weiss here in Austin for her expo, and they do a talk.
	And then we had lots of people there, but also some friends, including one of our robot friends, the artist.
	And she could not stop talking about the conspiracy theories of this plane.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I was really...
	People find it fascinating.
	They love it.
	They lose all sense of sensibility.
	And it's a part of this very problem.
	By the way, we were laughing at Japanese game shows 20 years ago.
	They make people sit on a block of ice like, man, those Japs are crazy!
	Well, there you go.
	No, he kind of got cut off when he first said it, but he says it's amazing what awkward and crazy things people do for money.
	And it just seems to me to be...
	You mean television executives who will do horrible things to people for money as well?
	It's horrible.
	It's inexcusable, actually.
	I think we don't need this.
	These are the same liberals, I don't want to throw it into the political realm, that are always going on and on about being the good guys.
	This is just a humiliation of the public.
	It's a downgrade.
	Oh, yeah.
	This particular instance, this missing flight, is a downgrade of humanity.
	It's funny because I didn't think of doing what you just did with a kind of a...
	Showing off this as a disaster, not a disaster to the...
	I'm talking about a disaster to the public discourse.
	Yes, exactly.
	Because we have a situation in the Ukraine that's quite interesting.
	Totally.
	There was a lot of good stuff.
	I picked up a couple of things.
	Brzezinski was his operation, that CSIS operation, gave one of these little...
	I think we should probably just...
	I don't know why, but sometimes I feel like we should just explain briefly who some of these players are.
	Because Brzezinski is...
	We know who he is.
	We talk about him.
	He rolls off the tongue.
	But he wrote a book called...
	Was it the Global Chess Game, I think?
	I'm paraphrasing the title.
	And he is a huge neoconservative, you know, screw...
	Screw everybody type of guy who was foreign policy.
	Was he foreign affairs?
	He's the foreign national security advisor for Carter.
	Carter, that's what it was, right.
	And then I think he stayed on for a little bit, and he became a superstar.
	He's got dough, right?
	He's got money, too.
	He's got a lot of money.
	He became a superstar in this business of kind of...
	Killing people.
	Creating a...
	An environment to kill people.
	A security organization that advises people to kill people.
	His folks don't go out and do anything.
	His office, his staff doesn't directly do it, but yeah.
	And the whole idea is to, I would say, to manipulate the world with media, but also with foreign policy and with a lot of the military-industrial complex to give the crazy people of America the upper hand.
	Yes, and they've done a damn good job.
	They went with Carrie.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Carrie and Noodleman are all in there.
	And his daughter, Mika, is on Morning Joe with Joe Scarborough.
	So the next generation is in place.
	Okay, so tell me about...
	So Brzezinski, it's like clockwork when you get this kind of stuff.
	He pops back onto the scene.
	Yeah, so I'm watching.
	This is the Center for Strategy and International Studies, CSIS. It's one of the think tanks, essentially a security report maker that gives things to like a report.
	This is like one of those contractors to the intelligence community and the State Department, probably the State Department more than anyone.
	But there's a bunch of these operations.
	Another guy showed up at the meeting.
	It was one of those meetings, you know, where there's a bunch of insiders and some news guys that write about foreign affairs, which is great.
	And, of course, it was Brzezinski, Scowcroft, and some writer for the New York Times who has a British accent and sounds very important.
	And he's essentially covering the Ukrainian situation.
	Well, you know, when you have...
	Oh, wait a minute.
	Is that that...
	Oh, hold on a second.
	I was reading about it.
	Oops, I just messed something up here.
	For some reason, my computer is not really helping out today.
	Hold on, I want to see...
	Was it CJ something or other?
	Is that the guy's name?
	It wasn't a CJ name.
	I didn't write his name down.
	Sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	No, I was reading about...
	Someone wrote something...
	He's probably the guy.
	Yeah, it's like, if this guy shows up, then you know that there's nothing...
	Oh, here it is.
	CJ Chivers?
	No.
	No.
	I don't think so.
	Apparently, C.J. Chivers has been dispatched to Ukraine.
	Oh, no.
	Well, this guy was in Washington at the time.
	And wherever Chivers go, the provocateurs, special forces, Blackwater, everyone else go.
	The Times is all in on this.
	And then they also had that old fart on Meet the Press or Face the Nation, whatever.
	Not Chip, but the other guy.
	For some reason, his name is eluding me.
	Who's deaf.
	I didn't realize.
	He couldn't hear anything.
	So everybody who came up in the audience said, What?
	I can't hear you!
	That kind of slowed things down.
	If you want to get a rundown, I have one.
	I picked up...
	Zabrinski went on for a while.
	This is a couple minutes.
	And actually, we need to...
	I have here the official pronunciation of this guy's name, which we're not doing properly.
	Here is the pronunciation.
	Zbigniew Brzezinski.
	There you go.
	Zbigniew Brzezinski.
	Yeah.
	So Brzezinski runs down the future Ukraine here after a question from somebody in the audience.
	It seems to me there's a bit of a chicken and egg problem here.
	Their decision of what they're prepared to do may depend on their understanding of how much support they may have.
	Now, Dr.
	Brzezinski, you suggested that MREs don't seem quite enough.
	It's a well-known menu.
	We can provide intelligence support.
	We can provide advisors and training.
	We can provide non-lethal equipment.
	We can provide lethal equipment.
	We can provide air cover.
	So I've given you the escalation.
	You already know where should we be and what should we be offering.
	I think in any case, we should engage in contingency planning for all of that in different portions depending on circumstances.
	But we should couple that with a serious communication to the Russians that we would like an alternative outcome in which we can be partners.
	But also a reaffirmation that if the Ukrainians resist, they'll not be alone.
	We are not going to tell the Russians in advance exactly what we're going to do.
	We may discuss some aspects of it with the Ukrainians.
	But the test of the pudding is also in the Ukrainians.
	They have to demonstrate that they really value their territorial integrity and are prepared to make sacrifices to protect it.
	I think the Russians, the way they've operated in Crimea, as I've said before, were operating on a contingent basis.
	If there's a lot of resistance, we pull back.
	The same may very well happen in the case of Ukraine as well, particularly in those districts in which there are some Russian people living and who are demonstrating like in Donetsk and so forth.
	So the Ukrainians themselves, first of all, have to take some clear positions regarding what they intend to do with some degree of credibility.
	Otherwise, if we don't do it, then I think we really are on a path towards grievous instability in Europe and also that's spitting over to Georgia, Azerbaijan, The Russians have scores to settle with the Azerbaijanis, and it could be elsewhere as well.
	Certainly, Riga, which has a large Russian population, could be the object of sudden explosions of popular hatred and conflicts.
	I mean, you open up all sorts of gates.
	Our job is to reduce the scope of uncertainty by commitment and clarity and willingness to compromise on an intelligent level.
	But that also means the president has to take a visible position and speak seriously to the American people about the problem that we confront, that we and our allies confront jointly, and Mrs.
	Merkel's speech, I think, is a hopeful indication that more and more important Europeans are beginning to realize that we're in this together.
	All around, even though he has some personal distractions, has also spoken strongly on this subject, which, you know, given his busy schedule, is a good sign.
	All right.
	This coincides exactly with our other favorite neocon douchebag, John McCain, who is essentially just parroting what Brzezinski says, only he does it in English.
	You know, I don't think of McCain as a neocon.
	I didn't either.
	I think of him as just a war hawk, a warmonger.
	Yes.
	He just wants to...
	You're right.
	I'll take it back.
	He wants to blow up the world.
	He's irked about it.
	I think he's personally got personal issues.
	You're right.
	He's not really in the club, but they like him because he's one of those kids that always had the firecrackers.
	Exactly.
	You know, like, hey, watch me blow up this frog.
	Yeah, that's him.
	And he had what I think was the quote of the week.
	One of his problems is that if the people of Russia see a thriving, economically strong Ukraine on their border, he's worried that they may be infected with the same disease.
	But...
	The United States of America, first of all, has to have a fundamental reassessment of our relationship with Vladimir Putin.
	No more reset buttons, no more tell Vladimir I'll be more flexible.
	Treat him for what he is.
	He also hates Obama, by the way.
	Give me notice.
	It does not mean re-ignition or Cold War, but it does mean treating him in the way that we understand an individual who believes in restoring the old Russian Empire.
	Practically speaking, what does that matter?
	How do you treat him?
	Here comes the best.
	I think economic sanctions are a very important step.
	Identify these kleptocrats.
	Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country.
	I've got to say, whoever wrote that line is good.
	That's one of the best lines I've ever heard.
	It's kleptocracy.
	It's corruption.
	It's a nation that is really only dependent upon oil and gas for their economy.
	And so economic sanctions are important.
	Get some military assistance to Ukrainians, at least so they can defend.
	So that's the don't send them ready to eat meals or meals ready to eat.
	Send some military assistance.
	I guess that's, I don't know, boots on the ground, you know, dudes.
	Have you seen these in Crimea, the photos of these soldiers that have no identifying marks on them?
	Yeah, black guys.
	Have you seen none of just the ones that are being called Russian soldiers by the news media?
	Yeah, but they're wearing black outfits, right?
	What kind of weapons are they carrying?
	Lishnikovs or AK-47s?
	No, AR-15s.
	Ah, interesting.
	Yeah.
	Resumed the missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic.
	Oh, the Czech Republic, missile defense back!
	Look at Moldova and Georgia, both of whom were occupied by Russian troops as we speak.
	Georgia is not occupied.
	And neither is Moldova.
	A path towards membership in NATO. There's a myriad of steps that we can take and it'll be very interesting to see to what degree our European friends will join us who are dependent on Russian energy supply.
	That's the fuck the EU part.
	So it truly is, and if I can kind of help with the neocon agenda, and I think McCain's agenda, you're right.
	You know, he sees that with military-industrial complex, we're pulling out of, kind of, Iraq and Afghanistan, although we have a huge presence there and diplomatic and the biggest embassy in the universe.
	We're pulling out.
	We need to go in somewhere else.
	And we need to basically be mean to everybody and take everybody's crap, all of your resources.
	They all belong to us.
	And I would agree that Russia is not the strongest it's been.
	And they're taking advantage of the situation.
	They're going, okay, we're going to go and get you.
	And we're going to come in and take your lunch money.
	That's essentially what it is.
	And that's what these people do.
	Yes, McCain particularly.
	Yes.
	And everyone's getting in on it.
	So you have Noodleman, also known as Victoria Newman, but her real name is Noodleman, who of course is married to one half of the PNAC brothership, which is, what's the douche knuckles name again?
	Yeah, I got it.
	I got it.
	I got it.
	This is very important for my story.
	Hold on.
	Kagan.
	She's married to Robert Kagan, and his brother is Frederick Kagan, literally the guy who wrote the project for A New American Century, the neocons, who said, hey, we should have a Pearl Harbor, and then we should go into Iraq.
	Okay, so those guys.
	So, of course, Noodleman is out of the State Department.
	Who's left?
	Jen Psaki.
	And she wants to jump in on everything because everyone's having a good time.
	Everyone's having fun, kicking the Russians in the face.
	And so she tweets out something.
	We had this, I guess one or two soldiers were killed, most likely by snipers, which would not necessarily be Russian.
	And she tweets out something to the effect of, oh, well, you know, Russians killing people.
	But she got called on it in her little briefing, and it resulted finally in a shut-up slave moment.
	It was very embarrassing for her as she overstepped her boundary trying to get in on the action because it's so fun over there at the Skull and Bone States.
	Go ahead in the back.
	You tweeted several hours ago, stop the shooting in Simferopol, clear that Russia shot first.
	And I'm just curious, what is this clarity based on?
	What are the facts behind this statement?
	Well, Russia entered a Ukrainian base, and that's clearly an act that we have concerns about and shows their level of aggression in this case.
	So I think events on the ground seem pretty clear in our view, and we were just expressing, I was just expressing a concern about the reports we're hearing on the ground.
	But now you said, you talked about entering a base, but in the tweet you were saying that it's clear that it actually fired a shot first, and that's a pretty...
	And remember, she is the spokeshole for the State Department, so for her to say, well, Russians shot first, they shot first, bad guys shot first, is a big deal.
	A serious allegation, so what is this information, where is it coming from?
	Because there's been plenty of conflicting reports on what actually has been happening in Simferopol, so we're just...
	Well, let me just say we don't see how it's possibly true that the Russian claim that someone else was the aggressor, that the Ukrainians were the aggressor, can possibly be true, given they entered the Ukrainian base.
	They're not saying that.
	They're saying it's a provocation, whereas you're saying that it's very clear.
	They have said that a little bit.
	I think we're ready to move on.
	And it's exactly the same lie as South Ossetia, that everyone still somehow believes that Russia was the aggressor when it really was Georgia who was the aggressor and the Russians who protected their Russian brothers and sisters there.
	So it's these kinds of lies.
	This is how you can see what is really going on.
	We're out to get these guys.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, the situation in Crimea seems to be...
	It was always a part of Russia, and only since 1955 it wasn't.
	And it's mostly Russians, and there's some people that are trying to get away from the Russians, of course, the Tartars in particular, staying there.
	But the Russians had the place, and they'd set this whole operation up.
	According to Brzezinski, it was well orchestrated, this entire thing, and everyone's all bent out of shape about it.
	But it seems that...
	What was interesting about this CSIS meeting was they all agreed that the United States was caught with its pants down.
	Over both the Ukrainian, the results of the Ukrainian revolution or overthrow or whatever you want to call it, and this loss of Crimea temporarily at some point.
	Apparently nobody was following this at all.
	And Skullcroft said it was like, well, we weren't paying attention.
	Brzezinski agreed with that.
	New York Times guys.
	So this is the State Department completely fouling this up.
	Oh, and I think you're right, John.
	They were all over Kiev.
	We have McCain in Kiev hanging out with neo-Nazis.
	We've got Noodleman hanging out pretzels on the square.
	We've got the phone call.
	Let's not forget the phone call.
	Let's not forget the phone call to the no-chin monster, the high priestess of foreign policy for the EU. We're like, oh, really?
	I didn't know there were snipers.
	Oh, gosh.
	Oh, golly.
	Oh, golly.
	I hadn't heard that.
	They were all over that situation, installing this rogue, bogative government.
	In fact, our show, we picked up on the Crimean thing.
	You did.
	Yeah, you had it early.
	France 24, that guy, the bald guy, who's floating around, I haven't seen him for a while, was over there and he pointed out that this is going to be a hot spot and the U.S. media wasn't looking at this and I guess the State Department or anybody else wasn't.
	And then all of a sudden, boom, it was just almost like an overnight thing.
	And Brzezinski says it's because the Russians had planned this long in advance.
	This whole thing was a giant scheme.
	They just didn't expect the whole Ukrainian thing to go so south on them.
	So as a part of helping the rest of the world, certainly the United States, flow into the whole meme of Russia is bad, Putin, bad, Putin, dictator, Stalin, Hitler, propaganda, propaganda.
	We have the Liz Wall situation, and there is an update on that.
	I try to stay away from her poo and ass.
	Well, first I do have a fun clip.
	She appeared on The View as a part of her campaign.
	This was a great move for her.
	Wait until you hear the background, but here is just a quick clip of her talking about how horrible it was to work there.
	You said the coverage was actually making you sick and it was a propaganda machine.
	Yes.
	By the way, the view, when you have Barbara Walters, you've got Whoopi Goldberg, you are talking to a cross-section of women in America who will believe what they see on this show.
	Barbara Walters is highly credible.
	I think Whoopi Goldberg is highly credible to the section of people who watch this show.
	And even Jenny McCarthy.
	I think she's hot.
	But, you know, it's credible.
	Credible, credible.
	I mean, how long did you actually work there?
	I was there for two years.
	So then at what point did you say, okay, I kind of have a feeling that this is not right?
	Well, in light of current events, I could see how the network was being used as a propaganda machine to promote Putin's foreign policy.
	So that's what kind of...
	Yes, yes, right now, right now.
	And everybody's saying two years, two years.
	But it's like, you know, in an abusive relationship and the woman finally leaves, do you blame her for getting in the relationship in the first place?
	In this country, if a journalist disagrees with the administration, they just get hired to Fox News.
	Ha ha ha ha.
	Woo!
	Ha ha ha.
	My friend works at Fox News and she's great, I have to tell you.
	That's what you call objective reporting.
	Non-sequitur from Barbara Walters.
	That's what you call objective reporting.
	No.
	That was disgusting.
	That was female unfriendly.
	No one called her on that.
	That was an outrageous comparison.
	And in this day and age, well, you know, I've been in an abusive relationship.
	My husband has been hitting me for two years, but I couldn't get out soon enough.
	That was unbelievable.
	boy, I'm just borderline.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	But I have to say, I, well, you didn't get it.
	Can I just finish this up?
	I want to wrap up wall.
	I got to wrap up wall.
	Oh, yeah, finish because this is very annoying.
	Go on.
	So these neoconservative group, let's just call them the neocons, but at least you know what we're talking about.
	They have changed face.
	What used to be this PNAC project for a new American century, there's now a new group, not new, but they're now all in the Foreign Policy Initiative.
	And if you look at the Foreign Policy Initiative Twitter feed, On March 5th, the day that Ms.
	Wall here resigned, 20 minutes before she resigned, their tweet, this foreign policy initiative, is tweeting, Hashtag word on the street says something big might happen at RT in about 20 to 25 minutes.
	Then about 10 minutes later, 10 minutes before Liz did her Poohanist rant, FBI tweeted, Hashtag word on the street says, You're really going to want to tune in to RT? Hashtag something big may be going down.
	I swear to God, that's their hashtag.
	And then at 526, the very moment this girl quits on air, Foreign Policy Initiative tweets, Anchor resigns on air!
	Cannot be part of network that whitewashes the actions of Pooin!
	Then she appears in an interview with the Daily Beast, an hour later, exclusive interview, James Kerchick.
	And what is the connection to all of this?
	Well, if you look at the Foreign Policy Initiative, you will see the Board of Directors, Kerchick is on the Board of Directors, along with Robert Kagan, Victoria Noodleman's husband, who, of course, is the brother of the original Peenacker, Frederick Kagan.
	This was a setup from these people.
	And there's the proof.
	Nice.
	Nice catch.
	None of this is a surprise, of course.
	No, but...
	It's always kind of annoying that it's like you go and you dredge up all this cool stuff and then you go, yeah.
	Yeah, surprise.
	It's not like, my God.
	I know.
	It's like, you're going like, oh, yeah.
	This is reconfirming the basic thesis.
	Only in a big way.
	Nobody else does this, of course.
	Everyone's all over this.
	I did have help on this.
	For this particular episode of The Best Podcast in the Universe, a lot of help from our producers, which is why we call them producers and not listeners.
	Right.
	A lot of help.
	Okay, you wanted to talk about the...
	Well, I was just thinking that this...
	Yeah, this is such an obvious setup, and Liz Wall is just...
	I mean, I think she should be ashamed of herself.
	And, of course, then...
	I mean, she was obviously sent in as a spy...
	Yeah, well...
	And then she took the money.
	She was paid by them and then made up this bull crap.
	And the other thing is that this is a...
	She was stunned, shocked That this was an arm of the Russian government pushing its agenda.
	It's called Russia Today!
	Hello?
	Are you that stupid?
	No, she's not that stupid.
	But I must call out more.
	She did this on purpose.
	I must call out more.
	What's Glenn Beck's thing?
	The blaze.
	The blaze.
	So, um, I see, uh, I saw the headlines, so I wanted to see this clip.
	He's got some hot chicks, by the way, over there at the Blaze.
	He's trying.
	By the way.
	He's worked at Fox.
	I mean, he knows the formula.
	Have you seen Russia Today's financial, babe?
	You're talking about the blog?
	We talked about her before.
	Uh, but now her shirt's opened down to her midriff?
	Well, she dresses like a Russian whore.
	Well, yeah.
	Hello.
	You're talking about the blonde that does...
	No, I don't think she's blonde.
	I think she's brunette.
	Maybe she's brunette now.
	It's the...
	No, no.
	I'm thinking of the girl who does the show.
	What?
	Let me see.
	I think it's the RT. What's her name?
	I'm looking now.
	I'm looking.
	This, by the way, just so you know, if you're new to this program, this is how we talk as television executives for ratings.
	We are not misogynistic.
	No, we're just telling...
	This is the way...
	Actually, this is a mild version of what you'd hear behind closed doors at a network.
	I think I would have to go...
	Oh, yeah.
	RT.com.
	When I say mild, I seriously mean that.
	We're very mild, yeah.
	What is her name?
	Let me just see.
	Shows...
	You know, RT's got a bunch of different streams.
	They have the one that comes out of Moscow, and then they have the one that comes out of New York, and they seem to be completely disparate.
	They don't ever bounce back.
	And you can catch some of their stuff syndicated, and then you can catch it on the RT network, which has got most of the American stuff.
	It's just a weird...
	I don't know who's running it, but it seems discombobulated, if you ask me.
	Discombobulated?
	Let me see.
	Technology, documentary, big picture.
	Is it Sophie Coe?
	No, it's not Sophie Coe.
	The one I'm thinking is A, the A-D-E. That's the blonde, though.
	I think that's a different one.
	No, that's not the one.
	This is the one with the big giant mouth that gives this giant smile that you can see every tooth.
	It's a little too big.
	Yeah, well, I'll find it.
	I'll dig it up.
	It doesn't matter.
	So the Blaze has their version.
	And they're in on this.
	They are in on this.
	Anything to make Russia look horrible.
	And let's see, what could we do, what could we possibly do to convince the already crazed audience of The Blaze?
	And I know people who work there.
	I read their stuff.
	Some stuff is good.
	But wow, this just took me back for a second when I heard this.
	As For the Record was preparing to file this story, our investigative producer was contacted by a naval officer serving in special operations.
	One day before he was resigning his commission.
	He said he ordered a forensic investigation into the 2008 crash.
	It was conducted by a military contractor with expertise in global finance and data solutions.
	It was done independently of Kevin Freeman's study.
	That report concluded there is overwhelming evidence that China and Russia launched economic terrorist attacks on the United States in 2008.
	There you go.
	We will have more on this story very soon.
	Oh, that's what caused the crash.
	Exactly.
	That's their whole story.
	Russia caused the crash, John.
	Those bastards.
	Wow.
	Those bastards.
	And what, by the way, explain to me, and this would be nice if somebody would kind of define it, what is an economic terror attack?
	Well, it's, uh, I don't know.
	It's clear, John.
	They crashed the market for housing.
	The unnamed...
	When a bunch of Russians sold their houses.
	I love the unnamed guy who was about to quit the military but still had one last hurrah.
	I'm going to give you this information.
	Shh.
	I'm going to give you this information.
	Shh.
	These guys all bug me.
	I mean, Beck, you know, I listen to his stuff, too, and I agree with you.
	He's got something, once in a while, something's really good.
	Yeah, sure.
	But let me just mention that all these guys are annoying, and this is another good reason they really need to support our show.
	Yeah, I was going to say, they're annoying, they're making so much money.
	This is a pet peeve clip, that if you just went up and down the list, you'd look at it and you'd go, oh God, I hope he doesn't want to play that.
	Sean Hannity show intro?
	I want you to listen to this carefully.
	Honey, it's time for, we need to spend some time apart, I think.
	I know you too well now.
	I'm going to listen to this thing, now I'm going to hate it.
	Well, you're going to hate it, but you'll be interested in my commentary or my complaining.
	Yeah.
	Party's over.
	Freedom is back in style.
	Welcome to the revolution.
	We'll put a boot in your ass.
	It's the American way.
	Yeah.
	Sean Hannity.
	The new Sean Hannity Show.
	More behind-the-scenes information on breaking news and more bold, inspired solutions for America.
	Yeah.
	Okay, wait.
	Don't say anything.
	Now, I hear every time I'm listening, I go through the channels and I'm driving around and I pick this up.
	And this, by the way, has got lots of native advertising on this show.
	Totally corrupt.
	It's the immersion life.
	So I listen to this intro.
	This is the intro to the show on the hour.
	We'll put a boot in your ass.
	It's the American way.
	Hell yeah, bitch.
	Is, to me, the most offensive thing that anybody could put on the air, besides using the word ass.
	So the American way, according to this guy, the way he thinks, because he thinks this is a great clip, he obviously helped put it together and produce it, this opening.
	So his thinking is...
	Our job is not to really be friends with anybody.
	It's to be a big bully and put a boot in your ass because it's the American way.
	A pointy boot.
	What is the American way?
	To me, it's a lot of things, but putting a boot in somebody's ass is not on my list.
	Well, have you seen Ukraine?
	Well, we put a boot in their ass.
	Exactly.
	Every time I hear that, I go, who does this guy think he is, and what is his message?
	Well, for a guy with such brawn, you'd think that he would have SeanHannity.com, which of course is pointing to NoAgendaShow.com.
	That shows you what boot he's got up his ass.
	No, I could not agree with you more.
	It is very disturbing, unless it's done in parody, kind of like the Team America.
	That's funny.
	No, this guy's got no humor.
	But this is exactly the problem.
	This is Kerry.
	There is a section.
	We have a saying in the Netherlands, what you say to yourself, but you cop to the health.
	It rhymes, and it means whatever you say of someone else is really what you are.
	And that's it!
	And you'll find this true in many, many cases in the workplace, in family relations, when someone says, you know, you're an egomaniac.
	The person saying it is probably an egomaniac.
	Would you say this is kind of a thing that happens, a recurring theme, John?
	I think there's a lot of that.
	Sure.
	So you get these guys like Kerry and just McCain, and I can't even fault the president.
	The president is not a part of this putsch.
	He's doing brackets.
	He's doing brackets.
	I swear to God.
	Every year he does brackets.
	This is all going on, and here's our president, everybody.
	And finally, the bracketologist-in-chief.
	President Obama, as he does every March, making his predictions as to the madness with ESPN's...
	I can't even listen to it.
	Oh, I'm going to win the billion...
	Warren Buffett's billion-dollar challenge.
	What is this guy doing?
	So we have an Obama bot dinner on Friday, John.
	A new Obama bot dinner.
	This is winding down, I think.
	It is, because two of the bots are leaving for California.
	They can't take it anymore.
	They're being very comfortable around here.
	And so it's at the professor's house.
	And I get an email...
	And the email, the subject isn't, usually it's Obama bot dinner, because they are cool that way.
	They know they're Obama bots, and they know I talk about them on the show.
	And despite how harsh I was on them last time, they're all excited.
	I know, right?
	You talk about the missing airplane.
	Oh, yeah.
	But the title of the email, the subject, was Hillbots.
	And it took me 10 minutes to...
	What are you talking about?
	Hillbots?
	I'm like, they're not on a hill.
	What are you talking about?
	Oh, Hillbots.
	Hillary!
	Oh, Hillbots!
	Yes!
	Whoa!
	Oh, I thought you said Hillbots.
	Oh, Hillbots.
	So they're already...
	One year into the re-election, they're already...
	Oh, well, damn.
	That's no good.
	Hillary!
	Yeah, she'll do it.
	Hillary!
	And of course, they're going to be so disappointed because I too want...
	I pray to God that I want Hillary to become president.
	It's a boon for the show.
	Hell yeah!
	At least four years of show.
	At least.
	At least, at least, at least.
	That should be fun.
	And they're going to be very disappointed because, of course, I'm just going to say...
	You're not going to argue with them.
	And I'm not going to argue about the plan.
	I'm just going to say, there's no evidence it crashed.
	I think everyone is dead, and the reason why is because they wanted either what's in the plane or either the cargo or the passengers.
	You don't care, Adam, because you're not.
	See, we're responsible Americans because we watch cable news shows, so we're very keeping up with the news.
	I'm in love with Rachel Maddow.
	I would marry her if I could.
	Yeah, they watch news.
	PBS NewsHour.
	NPR. Oh, I can't even listen to NPR. But we all know that Vladimir Putin is former KGB and he really wants to restore the...
	He used to run the KGB, I understand.
	He invented the word KGB and he wants to restore Russia to its great proportion when...
	So he wants to rebuild the Soviet Union.
	Yes, yes, that's all he wants.
	So here's Carney trying to explain why Putin is not on the list of people that are being sanctioned.
	You're not taking sanctions against Putin off the table.
	I think I said that already.
	I'm not putting on or off any individual.
	You can see the scope provided by the executive orders that have been signed and how individuals can fall into the categories outlined in those executive orders.
	But beyond saying that we are assessing regularly additional steps we could take and sanctions we could impose, I'm not going to, you know...
	Label individuals or predict who might be next if anyone is.
	And by taking these actions and saying that they are targeted at those responsible for what's Russia's activity in Crimea, the White House is not suggesting that Vladimir Putin is not responsible for what Russia's done there.
	Certainly we're not.
	The authorities are...
	Why not sanction him?
	I'm just...
	John...
	I feel like this is Groundhog Day from a briefing I had last week.
	No, it's today, and Putin's not on the list, so I'm asking...
	I would suggest that we have identified individuals today.
	We have the authorities to more broadly identify individuals and entities in the future, and we will do that as necessary.
	He cannot...
	Answer the question.
	Which is, why isn't Putin on the list?
	It's simple.
	Well, he's lying, because even you or I are on the list, John.
	Both of us are on the list.
	What list are we on?
	We are mentioned in the executive order as eligible for seizure of property.
	Yes.
	Well, let me read it, because, of course, whoever...
	Now I'm interested.
	Whoever that reporter was, and we'll talk about that in a moment, clearly did not read the executive order, which, you know, you can read the Federal Register, and it has this stuff in there.
	Or whitehouse.gov.
	Blocking property of certain persons contributing to the situation in Ukraine.
	That's me, for sure.
	We are contributing to the situation.
	We are not being helpful.
	We are not being helpful, that's for sure, but I don't know if that contributes to anything.
	How would you like to interpret that, John?
	Contributing to the situation in Ukraine.
	That can be any person in America because it in fact says provisions for seizure of property extend to any United States person.
	This is not for Russians.
	This is for Americans.
	If you're contributing to the situation in Ukraine by doing a podcast where you call out these neocons as a-hole bullies, you're contributing to the problem.
	Let's go get Curry stuffed.
	Anyway, boss, guess what?
	He's got nothing.
	He's judgment-proof.
	What do we do now?
	Holy crap.
	This is no good.
	He's got nothing.
	Mr. Adam Curry.
	Open up the door, Mr. Curry.
	Get out.
	There was a local report from a CBS reporter about these White House briefing sessions.
	And she went to Washington.
	And she gave a little report on the news there about how it works.
	Because, you know, she got to sit down with spokeshole Jay Carney.
	And he showed them how these briefings work.
	Yes, it was a very busy day.
	We started here shortly after 8 o'clock with a coffee with Press Secretary Jay Carney inside his office in the West Wing.
	And this was off the record, so we were able to ask him all about some of the preparation that he does on a regular basis for talking to the press in his daily press briefings.
	He showed us a very long list of items that he has to be well-versed on every single day.
	And then he also mentioned that a lot of times, unless it's something breaking, the questions that the reporters actually asked were the correspondents.
	They are provided to him in advance.
	So then he knows what he's going to be answering and sometimes those correspondents and reporters also have those answers printed in front of them because of course it helps when they're producing their reports for later on.
	So that was very interesting.
	So, they're sitting there doing a little play?
	By the way, we should mention to our listeners and producers that we had one of the House Parliament guys come on one of the shows and said the same thing about that phony bullcrap thing, that charade that they do when they start screaming at each other in Parliament, and then Cameron, whoever's running the place, gets up and says something.
	It's all scripted.
	Yes!
	And this is scripted too.
	Yeah, on both ends.
	All we need now is for Carney to actually give them the questions and the answer.
	Well, here's one question.
	I'm surprised they let this one go on, but this was like a question about Russian TV. I just thought this was the most interesting question and non-answer that was at that press conference.
	Let me ask you something that was on Russian television, state controlled television, the main state controlled channel.
	Unlike our controlled television.
	I'm thinking the same thing.
	Dmitry Kislev, prominent Russian television anchor, posed in front of a mushroom cloud and warned that Russia is the only country in the world capable of turning the U.S. into radioactive dust.
	I mention this because it's state-controlled Russian television, which, as we know, doesn't generally broadcast stuff that is not signed off by the government of Russia.
	What is your sense when you hear something like that?
	I mean, people say crazy things on TV all the time.
	Yeah, but this is Russian state-controlled TV. I take your point entirely.
	We're focused on the actions of the Russian government.
	We're focused on the support we're providing to the Ukrainian government.
	We're focused on marshalling a strategy with our partners around the world, especially in Europe, for how to deal with this challenge posed by Russia.
	And we are making sure that Russia is incurring costs for The provocations it has engaged in and the actions that it's taken.
	If you'll indulge me, John, I'll go back to episode 599 into your bin of clips for American state-run television, which of course, as we know, is the American Broadcast Corporation.
	You know, like Russia today, American Broadcast Corporation, run by the Disney Corporation.
	The whole news staff is married to the administration.
	Everyone's screwing each other.
	Sex symbol, doting mom.
	Oh, crap.
	One-on-one.
	That was set up so perfectly.
	Wow.
	I like it.
	I liked it.
	That's not what I wanted, though.
	I wanted the dramatized...
	Oh, crap.
	I'm so sorry.
	Well, fix it in post.
	Fix it in post.
	Don't do post.
	You had this whole...
	What was it called, that clip?
	I thought ABC Drama was what it would be.
	You had this whole thing.
	They got marching music.
	Oh, yeah.
	That was great.
	Yeah, what was it?
	Yeah, it was on ABC. What would you call that?
	Of course it was on ABC. What would you have called that clip?
	Because now I can't find it, of course.
	I can find it if I can find my list of clips.
	Does it show $5.99?
	I thought it was $5.99, but I guess not.
	Eight.
	I don't know.
	Let me see.
	That's okay.
	We'll deal with it later.
	Anyway, trust me.
	We do the same thing.
	It's exactly the same.
	The thing that was interesting is the first thing I thought when I heard this was that The Russians are obviously got the same kind of media that we have.
	Essentially state control.
	Ours is like not state control per se, but it is.
	Yeah.
	There's a state control and it is.
	And they're brainwashing their public the same way we're brainwashing our public.
	It's how countries begin to hate each other.
	Mm-hmm.
	Oh, we're going to blast these idiot Americans and Putin's...
	Oh, these Americans, I think they own the place.
	Well, so...
	It's true.
	We do think we own the place.
	At the artist talk yesterday...
	And, you know, an artist talk...
	People go to that.
	First of all, they have no money.
	No one buys anything.
	Let's go ask questions and look complicated.
	I went to one of these recently at the Richmond Art Gallery because I wanted to look at somebody's stuff.
	And this woman, the artist...
	Who's fairly famous and old.
	She was going to be there and give an artist talk.
	So I go there and the place is packing up.
	I couldn't even get in so I didn't even go to the artist talk.
	But it was packed up mostly, I don't know if this would be the same in your area, but it was mostly...
	Elites.
	Quasi-elites.
	Old women.
	Middle-aged to old women.
	No, the age ranged, but of course I was chatting with everybody, and I was like, oh yeah, Putin.
	Oh, yes, you owe Putin.
	Oh, if there's going to be a 2015 because of Putin.
	Everyone's all, because you're right, they're indoctrinated.
	Here's an ABC clip that I found, just to show you the American indoctrination program.
	No means to stop whatever you are doing and get to the nearest safe place fast.
	That very real threat of nuclear war seems a long time ago.
	But watching developments this week, it was hard not to think about those bad old days of the Cold War.
	How is this different from a mushroom cloud in the background?
	We've got airwaves sirens.
	Russian troops on the march.
	The U.S. sending fighter jets to eastern Europe.
	Fighter jets!
	Vladimir Putin test firing an intercontinental ballistic missile.
	That ICBM, though unarmed.
	So, you know, thank you.
	That is, we're, we invented this.
	We know how to, we know, we look at the movies, we know how to do this.
	Yeah, we do it better than anyone.
	So to say...
	It's not that an expert can't come along from someplace else.
	No, but to say...
	It's based on Bernays and our guys.
	Yeah, but just the gall to say, well, Russian state television is really making their people afraid.
	Oh, hey, you know, speaking of afraid, John, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Thank you for your courage.
	I think we need to say in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak, we are an hour into the show.
	We're into the show.
	We've got to stop.
	Yes.
	Thank some producers.
	I want to say in the morning to you, Adam Curry, in the morning all the ships and sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and the dames and the nights out there.
	And to, of course, our artists, thank you very much, Major Kills.
	Who we used for episode 600.
	He or she, I guess he, had a great piece of art, really nice, the red background with all the memes in there, all the show notes, actually show note section memes for our 600th episode.
	And of course, in the morning to everybody there in the chat room, thank you for your kittens and courage.
	And that's at noagendastream.com.
	We could not have any kind of conversation as free and flowing as this.
	If it were not for our model, which is that one of value for value.
	No commercial messages, no one to have a meeting with later on.
	If you don't support us, the show goes away.
	If you do support us, we continue on our merry way.
	And we have a couple people to thank.
	You rhymed!
	Well, it's the same word, but yeah, it rhymes.
	Use the same word twice and call it a rhyme.
	Oh, that's what this poet would do, this guy I read earlier.
	Okay, we do have a few people to thank.
	I want to thank them.
	We have two executive producers.
	We had a drop-off as expected after our show 600 celebration, but at least we made it through with a couple of executive producers.
	Philippine Vinky in...
	I think it's Finca.
	Vink.
	Finca.
	Finca.
	Philippine Finca in Hulshorst.
	Hulshorst.
	Holland.
	$471.10 is an unusual number.
	Dudes, she says.
	Dudes.
	Please accept my donation.
	In return, I would like to receive a personal ringtone.
	I'd prefer George Clooney as a spy, followed by Adam shouting out my name, Philippine Finka, preferably with a Dutch accent, and ended by You've Got Karma.
	Okay, hold on a second.
	Stop.
	Let me get this out of the way first.
	Okay.
	Then we can continue.
	Okay.
	George Clooney, George Clooney, George Clooney is a spy.
	Philippine thinker!
	You've got karma.
	Alright, now let's try to do it right.
	What was wrong with that?
	Okay, here's the problem.
	You had the George Clooney, you stepped on George Clooney as a spy.
	No, it's supposed to flow together.
	She wants a ringtone.
	No, no, no.
	You stepped on it at the beginning.
	You were still clearing your throat when you hit the George Clooney button, and so it's like George with a guy coughing.
	She needs at least a half a second of silence before.
	Now, the second one is when she says, shouting out my name, Philippine Finca.
	You were so under the DBs on that one, I could barely hear you.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, thank you for...
	Can you do a little more producery, like...
	Okay, Adam, let's try that one more time.
	That was a good first try, Adam.
	Let's do one more.
	We need a safety.
	One for safety.
	Okay.
	In five.
	George Clooney.
	Did you step on that?
	I didn't do anything.
	I'm listening.
	It must be in the clip.
	I'm sorry.
	All right.
	In five.
	George Clooney.
	Is a spy.
	Philippine thinker!
	You've got karma.
	Perfect!
	Well, you were a little tight at the end there.
	You could have given a half a second at the end.
	But okay, good to go.
	Alright, that was good.
	And what else does she say in her note?
	She says, maybe you can install a donation plan for people who would like to receive a personalized ringtone.
	Okay, she will.
	$471.10.
	Oh, is that the new number?
	$471.10.
	Well, it's the one she paid.
	I like it.
	I like it.
	$471.10.
	Okay.
	I plan on becoming a knight being a lady.
	I prefer a real knighthood instead of a lame damehood.
	What does that mean?
	I don't know.
	I put the word lame in.
	By the way, she sends me a lot of info.
	She's a real producer.
	She sends lots of links and all kinds of stuff.
	She says it's way more posh to tell people you have been...
	Oh, I see what she wants.
	Okay, so you can actually be knighted, or what they say is you get a ribbon in Holland, kind of like an OBE in the UK. So she wants to wait until I'm an honorary consul, and then I can give her...
	Oh, have you give her the headshot.
	Yeah, which I guess she'll be deserving of.
	Anyway, she says in the morning to everybody.
	In the morning.
	David Varney, $366.66 from Apollo, Pennsylvania.
	And he just sent a note saying he's getting to knighthood.
	No readers to show.
	Double check.
	Let me see if he made it.
	He's got $100, $200.
	That's $3, $3, $4, $5.
	He actually, I didn't send this on to Eric.
	He has a knighthood?
	A knighting?
	I apologize.
	I couldn't get to this prior to show $600, but I hope you forgive the small oversight.
	Thank you.
	Yes, he has to be knighted.
	Otherwise, it'll be our fault.
	Yes.
	Sorry about that, Eric.
	That's alright, because I also remembered to write down Elliot Gardner, which you also forgot.
	Oh, well, I'm sorry.
	Anyway, 100, 200, yeah, he's got the numbers.
	So, I think he's short a penny.
	It's okay, I'll kick that one in for him, no problem.
	Alright.
	And he'll also be the executive producer for show 601.
	And then John DiMaggio in Methuen, Massachusetts, $233.33.
	Maybe Methuen?
	Methuen.
	Methuen.
	I am new, John and Adam, for your courage.
	Thanks.
	I have been a listener for just a short time, but you have surely opened my eyes wide to the mainstream media mind control.
	I've been long suspicious of big business and media and the government.
	Until now, with NA's assistance, can I really appreciate what they're trying to do to keep us in line?
	One of my biggest pet peeves has long been manufacturer's practice of freshness born on and expiration dating.
	Yes, I do agree that products expire, but come on, folks.
	This practice has turned into aggressive marketing.
	Companies are convincing the slaves out there that they throw away perfectly good products so that they can run to the store and spend more of their hard-earned money on a new, fresher product.
	Can I take some blame for this?
	Okay.
	It's your fault.
	The born on is my fault, yes.
	Do you want to know why?
	I came up with that.
	Oh, the Born On for the...
	Budweiser.
	The beer?
	Yes.
	You came up with it?
	Yes.
	You're the Born On guy?
	Yes.
	Holy moly.
	Would you like to hear the story briefly?
	Yes, give it to us.
	The company was on-ramp before it became Think New Ideas, and Anheuser-Busch was our first client, and we built Budweiser.com and Budlight.com, and we built the website because they had lots of content with Clydesdales and Brewmeisters and all this crap, whatever, and racing and music.
	You have a date.
	It was like the late 90s, I bet.
	No, 94.
	94, 95.
	Very early on.
	No, maybe even, yeah, 95, I would say.
	And at the time, every Budweiser can and beer had a barcode on it.
	And while we were in St.
	Louis at the original brewery there, they showed us how you could calculate that barcode number down to the quarter hour when that beer came off of the assembly line.
	So we created a widget on the website where you entered that number and then you could see when your beer was born.
	And it was the born-on date of your beer.
	And they liked it so much, they started putting it on their product.
	So, I'm sorry.
	Well, I think they've stopped doing that.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, no, no, no, no.
	No.
	That was so successful for them.
	Of course, I didn't get paid any extra for it.
	But that was the idea.
	You got nothing out of it.
	Nothing.
	But that's how that happened.
	DiMaggio goes on.
	On the topic of intervention in the scientific community, I've recently read China's study where the author details how researchers and other influential people in the scientific community are on the payroll of big business to promote their agenda.
	Jeez.
	And slant studies of health benefits, yes, especially of unhealthy foods.
	Those telling us what we and our human resources should be eating are on the payrolls of the businesses that are producing the foods.
	Sounds familiar?
	Climate change.
	Find my enclosed $200 as payment for your hard work and continued efforts.
	I could use some karma as I've recently been shopping my IT talents in an effort to land a new gig with my current employer.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	What?
	It's karma.
	Oh, why is it not firing?
	Here we go.
	Sorry about that.
	You've got karma.
	And thank you for your courage and for your support, Jean DiMaggio.
	Onward.
	Scott Blair in Missouri City, Texas.
	$200.33.
	Hailing from Houston, I'm a day late and a dollar short.
	Congratulations on, excuse me, show 600.
	I'm a new listener and greatly enjoy your insights and media crap filter.
	I've already hit several friends in the mouth with it.
	My fellow no agenda business owner listeners, I'm an independent broker for merchant services.
	I will set up a 33% monthly donation for any referrals on commissions earned.
	Website is getpaidconcepts.com.
	Just let me know you're with N.A., you out there listening.
	You down with N.A.? Yeah, I'm down with N.A. Hey!
	Please give me some of the self-employed mac and cheese ditty karma.
	All right.
	You slaves can get used to mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	You've got karma.
	Yeah.
	Mac and cheese diddy karma.
	Thank you.
	I got a weird character.
	Is this Alex Sorley?
	Sorley, yeah.
	We need to fix these double-biting coding issues.
	But this is like Microsoft's issue.
	Well, I have it here on the open office.
	Oh, it comes out okay?
	No, no, it doesn't.
	I also have the problem.
	But, of course, I'm opening up a spreadsheet.
	It's an O. It's a zero.
	It's Sorley.
	It's an O with a line through it.
	Yeah, with a flat line on top.
	Squirrel mail does it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He didn't send a follow-up email that I can find.
	And he's in Bergen, Norway, and it's $200.
	And then Jackie, or Jacqueline Priester, in Parts Unknown, California, she's a couple of different addresses, didn't know what to use.
	She actually didn't send a note, and she sent a cute little card.
	She sent a card.
	Aw, that's always nice.
	Yeah, it was a card.
	And she's got the greatest little kind of boxy handwriting.
	It's just dynamite.
	I wish everyone was legible.
	But she didn't say anything except thank you for your courage.
	But it was very legible.
	Okay.
	And that will conclude our donors for show 601.
	Our producers, I'm sorry.
	The producers for show 601, two executives and one, two, three, four associates.
	Thank you all very much.
	It's highly appreciated.
	These are real credits.
	In fact, if you go to IMDB and search around, you'll see lots of people have their No Agenda Executive Producer and Associate Executive Producer credits listed in their IMDB. Apparently, it helps you get work.
	But also you can use it anywhere else where credits are accepted.
	And you can just display them proudly.
	And people will go, hey, what are you?
	Yeah, man.
	I'm a producer.
	Executive producer.
	Shows up on that.
	A lot of people use it on their signature, on their email.
	And again, LinkedIn is a good use for it.
	And we appreciate the support.
	It keeps us going.
	And of course, we'll have another show on Sunday.
	And we will have a general thank you segment for all of our producers coming up in just a little bit here on the show.
	And, of course, as always, you can go to our website for that.
	We also can continuously need some propagation of our formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Water! Water! Squat!
	Shut up, slay!
	Shut up, slave!
	One of the things that we have been tracking for a while now, several years, is the six-week cycle.
	And of course, the six-week cycle...
	It could go away at any time.
	I think you even put that in the book, but it did show up again almost to the day, maybe one or two days.
	I should mention, I'm looking at the cycle as centering on the first of a month or the 15th of a month.
	And so that makes it easier for the bookkeepers and the budgeting of the FBI. But explanation again, because people go a little crazy on the tweeters.
	The six-week cycle is not just some event that happens on the date.
	Like, oh, someone died.
	No.
	It is very specific.
	The FBI, it is also specific to the Federal Bureau of Investigations, they need to announce every six weeks some kind of thwarting of a terror attack, and it's typically done with a patsy they've been goading and honeypotting for months.
	So that they can continue to justify their budget.
	So it's not always this huge...
	The last one was the Wichita, Kansas guy who was going to...
	Yeah, the airport bombing.
	Blow up the airport.
	Right.
	And he didn't even have the code to get onto the tarmac.
	And then this kid...
	But the guy was set up and he was brought in.
	It was so obvious.
	I have a little rundown clip here.
	Well, I have a rundown too.
	And mine is probably pretty complete because it's done by a freelancer who I can't find any record of.
	What is the...
	Complete rundown of your six-week cycle.
	If you think...
	It looks good.
	It's longer than mine, so it must be great.
	It's pretty concise.
	It's ABC 7 News.
	Oh, it's America Today.
	ABC. It's ABC, yes.
	State television.
	Homegrown terrorist.
	A Northern California man is now under arrest, accused of plotting to blow up targets in Los Angeles.
	And tonight we are learning more about the 20-year-old student obsessed with Al-Qaeda.
	Good evening, I'm Dan Ashley.
	And I'm Carolyn Johnson.
	ABC 7 News reporter Cornel Bernard is live at San Joaquin Delta College in Stockton tonight with more for us.
	Cornel.
	Well, that's not fair.
	You put 30 minutes of intro in there.
	That's not really fair.
	I wanted...
	I was going to take it out.
	I could go straight to Cornell, but I wanted to make sure you realize it was an ABC... Yeah, okay.
	You got a good point.
	...on the campus of San Joaquin Delta College tonight where Nicholas Toussaint attended classes.
	Fellow classmates are...
	He didn't use his three names.
	Come on, this is bogus.
	...shocked that he was arrested near the Canadian border this morning on terror charges trying to get to the Middle East.
	I'll go active duty after this semester ends.
	That's 20-year-old Nicholas Toussaint.
	Last week he was interviewed about someone wearing a fake military uniform on the campus of Delta College in Stockton.
	This week he's in federal custody, accused of supporting terrorism.
	Allah is a wonderful and most great planner.
	He's the best of planners.
	Videos posted by Nicholas Toussaint on the internet paint a picture of a young man fascinated with al-Qaeda.
	Several videos on his YouTube page depict terrorist attacks against the U.S. Toussaint appeared in federal court Monday.
	He's accused of exploring ways of supporting violent extremist activities and attempting to join al-Qaeda.
	Court documents say Toussaint popped up on the FBI's radar last summer after he posted several terrorist messages on social media, including a plot to bomb the L.A. subway system.
	Undercover agents posing as extremists earned Toussaint's trust.
	How do you pose as an extremist?
	Is it a hat you wear?
	I don't know.
	Hey, look at me.
	You may be confusing me for an extremist.
	He told one, I want my face on the FBI's top 12 most wanted because that means I'm doing something right.
	Toussaint told informants he was trying to get to Syria to fight alongside al-Qaeda.
	It was shocking that someone, a student here at Delta, would be known as probably a terrorist.
	Toussaint's classmates say he was quiet and liked to play chess.
	He was a newly converted Muslim.
	But he never really pushed it onto anybody.
	He never said anything.
	He was normal.
	Toussaint's aunt in Lodi said this.
	All I know is that he moved back to California.
	He's been living with his mom.
	Toussaint joined the California National Guard in 2012, but never made it to boot camp after failing to meet education requirements.
	He was an idiot.
	He was an obvious idiot.
	That's his educational requirements.
	The guy could barely speak and walk.
	I have to play my clip because you always have to have the three names.
	You've got to use the middle name.
	I think my clip has a better YouTube video of him talking some Arabic crap.
	And it's shorter.
	I totally forgot about him up until today.
	Friends of accused terror suspect Nicholas Michael Toussaint...
	There you go, Nicholas Michael Toussaint.
	Dad, now you're talking!
	...find it surprising that the 20-year-old washout from the U.S. Army National Guard was in court today facing federal charges.
	The feds say Toussaint bragged on social media and to informants about plans to join al-Qaeda in Syria.
	So they had the community college student pulled off an Amtrak bus at the U.S.-Canadian border last night.
	He's also accused of targeting the Los Angeles public transportation system.
	That's a YouTube video Toussaint posted last year.
	The FBI complaint states Toussaint's goal was maximum fear and a maximum blow to the U.S. government so he could watch it tumble and fall in the wake of a civil war.
	Now that's a report, John!
	Maximum fear.
	The Civil War.
	Watch it tumble and fall.
	I say, well, I come, my brothers and sisters.
	Agents alleged last December, Toussaint also warned the informant, don't go to L.A. anytime soon.
	And if you go, don't use the subway.
	The LAPD wouldn't discuss this specific case, but say there's a lesson for everyone if someone behaves this way.
	If you see something, we want you to say something.
	If something looks a little unusual or you see some suspicious behavior, please do give us a call.
	Come on!
	Okay, okay, you win.
	You got the better of the two clips.
	Not because it had all the good details like he plays chess, but because it has all the good memes.
	It had the three names, it had the see something, say something, and then it had the downfall of the government bullcrap.
	This guy can't even tie his shoes.
	And it had a...
	Washout was also a good little jab.
	And it had a very nice tie-in.
	That I'm now trying to download really quickly because it had a musical tie-in.
	I don't know if you caught it.
	I did not catch a musical tie-in.
	Is there a new song hitting the market?
	No, and in fact, only you and I would probably catch this one.
	Hold on, it's almost done downloading.
	I had to go purchase it real quick.
	You're actually spending money while doing the show?
	Yes.
	On the show itself?
	Yeah, what's up with that?
	Wow.
	You're dedicated, ladies and gentlemen.
	I'm spending a whole...
	Actually, this is expensive.
	This is $1.29, but it's...
	Okay, here it is.
	Come on, load.
	I can get an e-book for 30 cents less.
	Yeah, but...
	Oh, man.
	What is going on?
	It doesn't work.
	Yeah, it does.
	I just...
	Here it is, everybody.
	From our new Patsy for the six-week cycle...
	You get it yet?
	Come on, Johnny.
	You know this song.
	I do, but I'm not singing it.
	I'm trying to catch the tie-in.
	Well, what's the name of the song?
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Wait for the hook.
	Ready?
	And everybody, come on now.
	I got it.
	Fast forward.
	Here we go.
	There you go.
	Yeah, that was a long way to go.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sweating.
	I'm sweating.
	Also, just released, in time for the six-week cycle, issue 12 of Inspire Magazine.
	Oh, it came out right on the spot.
	Yep.
	Issue 12.
	I'm glad to see the CIA and the FBI working together and pushing aside the NSA. Nice to have the guys in one camp for a change, doesn't it?
	Yeah, I know.
	It feels good.
	Speaking of which, I think we could move on to the snow job report.
	I watched a riveting...
	Of course, it was hard to find it, although luckily the Privacy and Civil Liberty Oversight Board tweeted...
	We're going to be on C-SPAN 2!
	And let me tell you, if you see this video, this is the presidential approved and nominated board.
	What?
	Before you go there, I just want to mention to people that the next cycle is on May Day, May 1st.
	May Day, May 1st.
	Thank you.
	This board was initiated and nominated by the president.
	And if we've done the timeline, the director, Medin, could not get confirmed for 500 days, and then he gets confirmed just two days before the Snowden revelations.
	It's amazing how this timing works.
	Fascinating.
	Even he thought it was fascinating.
	So the board convenes, and it's all lawyers.
	It's lawyers wall-to-wall.
	Wall-to-wall.
	Which is disconcerting because, you know, we've got...
	Who do we have on here?
	We have...
	Hold on.
	I wrote down some of the names.
	We've got David Medin.
	He's a lawyer, of course.
	He is the chairman of the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board.
	Brad Wiegman, who is the Deputy Attorney General for the National Security Division.
	And then we have Rajesh Day, D-E, Rajesh Day, who is the...
	General Counsel, a lawyer for the National Security Agency.
	And then we also have an interesting guy who you'll hear in one of these clips.
	I have James X. Dempsey.
	James X. Dempsey.
	I kind of like having an X as a middle name.
	And James X. Dempsey is from the Center for Democracy and Technology.
	And he is also on your Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board.
	And what I like to play here is the first clip wherein James Medin said to Brad Weidman, the deputy, could you please give me an overview of the definitions used in all of these conversations?
	I thought that would be very handy for us to have because what really is a locator?
	You know what a locator is, John?
	Someone who finds cool places to shoot movies.
	That's a scout.
	Okay.
	I think it's good because I learned a lot of things just from hearing these definitions and really will help you when you maybe if in the off chance you see some news about, I don't know, Everyone in the world being spied on, it's good to know because you'll know what's actually being said.
	I'd like to get back to some of the definitions here, which is there's some terms here that would be helpful to understand your view of, which is what is a target, what is a tasking, what is a selector, and what's a directive.
	I'm sorry, a selector, not a locator, a selector.
	If you could explain those terms, because I did want to shift to how those terms might apply in the about context.
	Okay, I can take a stab at that.
	He sounds like, okay, I can take a stab at that.
	I'm a lawyer.
	Here he comes.
	So a target is the...
	Maybe I should start with selector, since that's the operative term that...
	Make up your mind!
	A selector would typically be an email account or a phone number that you are targeting.
	So this is the...
	You get, you know, terrorist at...
	Google.com.
	Write this down, John.
	A selector would be terrorist at Google.com.
	Okay?
	Got it.
	You know, whatever.
	Whatever.
	That's the address that you have information about, that you have reasonable to believe that that person is a terrorist and you would like to collect foreign intelligence information.
	Reasonable to believe.
	Yes.
	You're reasonable to believe.
	I'm very reasonable to reasonable believe.
	On that person's account.
	So when you go up on that selector, when we say go up on or target that selector, that means we're collecting information.
	We're going to the provider and getting information related to that person's account.
	So we're intercepting in real time and then collecting the stored communications of that particular account.
	Okay, so that's what we mean by targeting a selector.
	You're using that selector, you're providing that to the company, the provider, to get information on that account, or if it's a phone number, on that phone number.
	So when we say selector, it's an arcane term that people wouldn't understand, but it's really phone numbers, email addresses, things like that.
	So it's phone numbers, email addresses, things like that.
	Those are selectors that are being targeted in real time, and he's not going to mention this, in upstream collection, which was on screen, which is, quote, the collection of metadata and contents directly from internet and phone cables.
	That would be your second street room where they're literally tapping stuff off of the fiber.
	And targeting means that's the one you're trying to get.
	They may be in communication with other email addresses or other phone numbers and so forth.
	Those are not the targeted numbers or accounts.
	Those are others that are incidentally acquired because they're on the other end of these communications.
	So that's what target is the one you're going after.
	And the statute requires that that target be a non-US person located overseas.
	And so that's the foreignist determinations that we're talking about as we go through the great links to make sure that that target is, in fact, belongs to a non-US person and is located overseas.
	The other two questions you have?
	Tasking or task?
	Tasking is when you're going and saying, okay, I want to task this account, means I want to collect information from that account, so that's the collection.
	You task a selector.
	You task a selector, so you're identifying.
	That's when you take that selector to the company and say, this one's been approved.
	We've concluded that it does belong to a non-US person overseas, a terrorist or proliferator or cyber person, whoever it is.
	Cyber person!
	And then we go to the company and get the information.
	And direct it.
	So directives are the...
	Back that up.
	Hmm?
	Back it up a little bit because there's a word you used in there.
	I wanted to write it down.
	Or the solicitator or something like that.
	Solicitator, solicitator, facilitator.
	You're going and saying, okay, I want to task this account means I want to collect information from that account.
	So that's...
	You have a selector.
	You task a selector.
	So you're identifying.
	That's when you take that selector to the company and say, this one's been approved.
	We've concluded that it does belong to a non-US person overseas, a terrorist or a proliferator or a cyber person, whoever it is.
	And then we go to the company and get the information.
	And directive.
	So directives are the orders that go to the companies that say they have to comply with lawful tasking.
	So that's the kind of more overarching order that goes to a company provider and says, okay, you have a legal obligation to comply with taskings that are given to you.
	And here are the rules and everything, and that's all provided to them.
	So we learned a lot of interesting terms here, but there's something that obviously...
	By the way, the word I was looking for was proliferator.
	What the hell is that?
	Well, it's like a cyber person.
	Okay, go on.
	Here's something that we did not know.
	Obviously, the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board is working for us.
	And you should see this shit.
	They're not in some cool room with guards and wooden panels and a dais.
	They're like in a Marriott.
	I'm not kidding.
	With a skirt over the tables.
	And they don't have mics that can turn on and off.
	They're old AKG, like the big vocal mics.
	That's what you hear...
	Everyone's moving the mics around.
	They have bowls of candy.
	You know, like little peppermints that the Marriott provides.
	It's pathetic!
	That is pathetic.
	And by the way...
	There's a lot of people who do conventions and stuff at these Marriotts and these sorts of places.
	I know exactly what you're doing.
	I've been in that kind of room way too much.
	And it's horrible.
	And then you go into the lobby and then they have some food.
	And everyone talks to you and out of their mouth comes this vile coffee smell that is made up of dead mice and bird shit.
	Crap that you can eat if you can dare to.
	And they always have the worst croissants.
	Croissants and the bagels are like dough balls of God knows what.
	It's not actual food.
	Yes.
	With the cream cheese in little plastic containers.
	Yeah, horrible.
	But here's what we learned.
	David Medin, who is working for us, and I appreciate what this guy is doing, he's going to ask a very important question about these selectors, which, as you'll recall, can be an email address like terrorist at google.com, which could be an obvious one to check out.
	It could be a phone number, but it's not just...
	the email address or the selector.
	What's the statutory rationale for about collections?
	Because if the target is the email account or the phone number, what is the justification for gathering communications between two persons, maybe two U.S. persons, who are discussing that phone number or that email address, but they are not themselves?
	There's no to or from that particular email address or particular phone number.
	Why is that targeting that is permissible under the statute?
	So did you catch what he just said?
	No.
	Explain it.
	So let's say that you have an email address, which is terrorist at google.com, and of course that has been targeted, and they've given a directive, and they're tasking that, so they're tracking that in real time.
	That must be a non-U.S. person.
	However, so if you and I... In our email conversation between adam at curry.com and john at dvorak.org, mention terrorist at google.com.
	They can now tap into our email accounts if they could get into it.
	And it's valid to now eavesdrop on our conversation because we mentioned the selector.
	Right.
	So the conclusion there, again, in a typical case, you're right.
	If you're targeting, you know, bad guy at Google.com.
	Let me write this down.
	Bad guy.
	New guy.
	Bad guy.
	Bad guy.
	I wonder if bad guy knows about terrorists.
	Bad guy at Google.com.
	You're targeting that person's account, their communications.
	Why abouts collection is different is it's not necessarily communications.
	It's called abouts collection, John.
	Abouts collection, which I got.
	What a lawyer term that is.
	Abouts collection.
	That person's account, their communications.
	Why about's collection is different is it's not necessarily communications to or from that bad guy, but instead about that selector.
	And so what the court has concluded is that when the statute uses the term targeting a non-use person overseas, targeting that selector qualifies under the statute.
	For targeting that non-US person overseas, so it doesn't have to be targeting necessarily to or from, but can also target the communications that are about that particular selector.
	So that's a different meaning of target than earlier, which is where you're focusing on an account.
	Now you're discussing, targeting means discussions about that account.
	About that selector, correct.
	It is always focused on that account.
	So I think the key is the misperception that some may have that, About collection is somehow about a keyword or about the person that may be behind that account, but all collection under section 702,
	whether it's upstream, So, literally, if I were to email you, which I'm sure at some point I've done, and I put in that email Anwar Al-Awlaki,
	or some other douche-knuckle who's on the top ten list, Now, if I mention his email address, I'm sorry, so anwaralaki at terrorist.org or badguyatgoogle.com.
	Now, both of our email accounts can legally be targeted for them to listen to upstream, which means in real time, so they don't even need to break into my email server.
	They can just tap it real time.
	This is bullshit!
	Yeah, and here's one of the reasons it is bullshit.
	I want to target you.
	Send me an email.
	Yeah, send me an email.
	Exactly.
	I send you an email about badguygoogle.com.
	I say, hey Adam, what do you think about badguygoogle.com?
	Yeah, now you're fucked.
	I don't even have to answer.
	Right.
	And I don't even have to be somebody you know.
	I could be an NSA guy.
	What are we going to do, Bill, to get around these rules?
	Hey, I got a great idea.
	Why don't we just email everybody?
	Here's our final clip, and this was...
	So in one minute and 18 seconds, you will hear the unfiltered exactly what was said in this hearing, which the Guardian and the Washington Post and everyone wrote hundreds, thousands of words...
	Boy, great journalism!
	You're producing great journalism, people!
	I'm trying to clear up another issue.
	In terms of the participation of service providers or the awareness of service providers in the 702 implementation, Is 702 implemented, all 702?
	Now, just to clarify, when they talk about service providers in this context, and this is very difficult for people who've been on the Internet for a while, that is not your ISP. That is not like Comcast or Time Warner.
	That is someone who provides an Internet service.
	That can be a website, Yahoo, Google, Apple, Skype.
	Can I ask you a question?
	I just came up with an interesting question.
	So, okay, I'm going back to this abouts collection.
	Mm-hmm.
	So, and I hate this, I said so twice there.
	That's okay.
	Hey, you said abouts.
	Stop.
	You might as well say anyways if we're talking about abouts.
	Anyways.
	Anyways, let's talk about abouts, about abouts.
	Now, if you send me an email about badguyatgoogle.com, and whether you know me or not, let's say you do that.
	Mm-hmm.
	And they're not monitoring my email, supposedly.
	How do they know this?
	Of course they know this.
	How do they know this?
	Unless they're monitoring my email already.
	Because they are listening upstream all the time.
	The metadata, upstream metadata.
	This is content.
	It's not metadata.
	This is raw content.
	Oh, yeah, well, surprise!
	These guys are lying to us.
	Surprise!
	Hello!
	And the ones who are really lying to us are the service providers.
	Service providers, the awareness of service providers in the 702 implementation.
	Is 702 implemented?
	All 702 implementation is done with the full knowledge and assistance of any company that...
	From which information is obtained.
	Is that correct?
	Yes, the answer is yes.
	So early on in the...
	Did you hear that little thing before he answered?
	You got the lawyers talking to the lawyer going, go ahead, just say it.
	Just fucking say it, man.
	Go ahead, bust them, you fucking assholes.
	Just say it.
	Yes, they all know.
	They know.
	They're lying to everybody.
	They're pretending like they don't.
	Just go ahead and say it, man.
	Information is obtained.
	Is that correct?
	Yes, the answer to that is yes.
	So early on in the debate, there were some statements by companies who may or may not have been involved in the program saying, well, we never heard of PRISM. But whether they ever heard of PRISM, any company from whom information was being obtained under 702 knew that it was being obtained.
	Correct.
	Prison is just an internal government term that as a result of the leaks became a public term, but collection under this program is done pursuant to compulsory legal process that any recipient company would have received.
	So they know that their data is being obtained because they would have received legal process.
	Who's asking this question?
	James X. Dempsey, who was on the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board.
	I'm liking this guy.
	I told you I liked the guy.
	And his middle name is cool.
	James X. Dempsey.
	Xavier.
	So what he's saying is, wait a minute.
	These Silicon Valley companies all went like, we don't know anything about this.
	They all knew.
	I protest to you, Mr.
	Obama.
	I'm calling the president.
	I didn't like this.
	You lying sacks of poop.
	It's a reminder that That these companies cannot encrypt all of your data because then their business model falls apart.
	This is the catch-22.
	If they were to really encrypt all of your emails so that the upstream collection would falter, they could also not put in advertising because they wouldn't know what you're talking about, which is one of the main business principles of Gmail.
	SEO would not work on Google if you had end-to-end encryption of your searches.
	So it's never going to happen.
	And this is the big secret of Silicon Valley.
	And they are in bed.
	The NSA equals Google.
	Facebook equals FBI. And there's some CIA in there because they financed them early on.
	And what are we seeing?
	I will plug in my television right now.
	I'm going to plug it in.
	Here we go.
	Plugging it in.
	Reminded everyone that there is no proof yet.
	There is no identification.
	And so we're hanging on...
	That's CNN? Let's switch to Fox for a second?
	We certainly don't know yet, Wolf.
	That's it, there's...
	All of your life.
	Okay, commercial.
	Commercial.
	Which is mostly Fox.
	Just as good.
	But there it is.
	I'm in Kuala Lumpur.
	Satellite spots debris in flight 370 surge.
	Come on, Fox.
	I found a napkin in the ocean.
	I was just hoping that Fox...
	It's funny because usually Fox and CNN are in sync on the commercials.
	That is what...
	I noticed recently they've got different clocks.
	Oh, really?
	This is only recently.
	Different format.
	Oh, here we go.
	We're back.
	Real story.
	Just how many hours are left in the Malaysia Airlines...
	Oh, there we go.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	Random sampling, ladies and gentlemen.
	Random.
	Dude, that was very good.
	This is like live TV. Only we're not as hot as these chicks I'm seeing, which is kind of, you know...
	That's...
	It gets more money than we do and free dinners.
	Hey...
	So there you go.
	So they knew about it.
	They're lying about it.
	They will not change it because it ruins their entire model.
	They are afraid that somehow someone...
	And of course, it's really not going to matter because people are so dumb.
	So dumbed down, I should say.
	They don't know.
	It's like water.
	I have my electricity.
	I have my Googles.
	You know, I got my Gmail.
	It's free.
	It's the way it is.
	Doesn't the government provide that?
	If people said the government provides your email, they go, oh, okay, that's good.
	Yes, they would.
	That's the way it is today.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, that makes sense.
	Nobody cares.
	No.
	They absolutely do not give a rat's ass, and I do.
	I've been working with the Void Zero, Sir, 19-inch rack.
	We've been working on encrypting all of the no-agenda everythings with the DNSSEC, by the way, so that we will be secure.
	And we cannot be hijacked and someone can't just all of a sudden take over our website.
	Take over the website and whatever.
	Now this does bring me to another topic which I did want to discuss briefly.
	This is ICANN because I was severely, severely disappointed.
	Well, no.
	Let me take that back.
	I was very happy to see that I won our bet from last week.
	What bet?
	You went on the Twit show.
	There was no money involved.
	You still owe me a dollar from a couple of shows ago.
	And the bet was that Leo would be all in on the United Nations running.
	I mentioned on the show that I lost the bet because when Leo did that, you recall that, right?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	No, I know.
	He says, what?
	What?
	How did you lose a bet?
	Because you're so predictable, Leo.
	I didn't say that.
	What I said was what you said, which is you'd be all for it.
	Because Leo's basically an internationalist.
	He's all in on that.
	I would like to explain, because this is what was disappointing.
	No one had taken two seconds of time to investigate what really the deal is with ICANN. They just read something from The Verge.
	Oh, I read it in The Verge.
	This must be how it's going down.
	This is tech news for you.
	I hate to harsh on it, but there were a couple other people on that show, and no one did any work.
	First, let's explain the difference between IP ranges and domain names.
	ICANN does not hand out IP addresses, okay?
	There are three different organizations in the world.
	In Europe, for instance, it's RIPE. They hand out the blocks of IP addresses.
	ICANN is not in charge of that.
	They do not hand out block ranges.
	They only do the DNS resolution and work on domain name disputes.
	I happen to know a little bit about this.
	Their charter and their mission since 1997, President Clinton made it very clear that the ultimate goal, he directed the Secretary of Commerce to eventually privatize entirely the domain name system in a manner that increases competition and facilitates international participation in its management.
	And specifically, it was not to be transferred to a governmental or intergovernmental body.
	Now this is what's interesting, because this obfuscates the, or eliminates the immediate transfer to a body like the United Nations.
	They had a green paper that came out, and it was supposed to happen around 2000, but of course it took much longer.
	And this ICANN operation, which really only...
	There used to be a guy...
	Was it John Postel, the guy who used to...
	He had a spreadsheet, I think, and he had all the domain names and the IP addresses that resolved to it.
	It's basically just a big database that maintains that, which is an illusion that this is the Internet.
	We talked about that the other day.
	You can go to the OpenNIC project.
	There are many other ways to get your DNS. Shut up, man.
	Don't be like that.
	You're beating around the bush is the problem.
	I have to remind people.
	Some people come in for the first time.
	That's because you're impatient.
	I am.
	So there's a transition plan for ICANN, which has been on the...
	And all these documents are...
	The Clinton transition plan, it's all PDFs, they're in the show notes.
	Here is an FAQ. I need to read so you understand where this is really going and what is going to happen.
	And again, this is what people believe the internet is.
	It's not.
	It is not the network itself.
	It is the layer of domain name services on top, which is replaceable.
	Why is the United States initiating this transition now?
	Answer.
	ICANN as an organization has matured and taken steps in recent years to improve its accountability and transparency and its technical competence.
	At the same time, international support continues to grow for the multi-stakeholder model of Internet governance, as evidenced by the continued success of the Internet Governance Forum, and the resilient stewardship of various Internet institutions.
	Important question.
	Are the legacy top-level domains associated with the U.S. government, e.g.mil.gov and.edu, part of this transition?
	No!
	No, no, no!
	Operational responsibility for the three remaining legacy top-level domains associated with the U.S. government are not impacted by this transition.
	What will the role of governments in developing the...
	What will be the role of governments...
	Where are you reading these facts from?
	From the ICANN transition plan.
	Is it from...
	It's an ICANN... Yes, it's at ICANN.org, yes.
	Okay, go on.
	The PDF. What will be the role of governments in developing the transition proposal?
	Like the other stakeholders that are part of ICANN multi-stakeholder model, we expect governments will have an opportunity to provide input either via ICANN's governmental advisory committee or as individual governments.
	NTIA will not accept a proposal that replaces the role with a government or intergovernmental organization solution.
	And here's the very interesting one.
	Will the results of this process affect VeriSign's agreement to operate the.com registry?
	No!
	That is a separate agreement between VeriSign and ICANN. For VeriSign, the only potential change will be the maintenance and publication of the root zone.
	So those guys stay in the game.
	And it's a big moneymaker for everybody who's involved and if you want to get a top level.
	This whole thing is a commercial bullcrap operation for money that could have been managed much easier.
	However, you heard the word Internet Governance and Internet Governance Forum.
	This is the problem.
	What is the Internet Governance Forum?
	It serves to bring people together from various stakeholder groups as equals, but not to make decisions or negotiate.
	Instead, they discuss, exchange information, and share good practices with each other.
	While the IGF may not have decision-making abilities, it informs and inspires those who do.
	UN connection.
	Again, this is from their own documentation.
	And this is where you see where this is going.
	More than 60 years ago, the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
	Negotiators then could not possibly have imagined that a quarter of a century later, there would be a new invention, the Internet.
	And yet it seems they had the Internet in mind when they drafted Article 19.
	Write it down, kids.
	Here's where the government and the New World Order takes over your Internet.
	Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression.
	This right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive, and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
	This article encapsulates the very essence of the Internet and its borderless nature.
	The Internet is seen as providing a crucial international platform.
	So this Internet Governance Forum and the, I think the other one is the GAF, is staffed by, this is the panel on Global Internet Corporation, is staffed by, any guesses?
	Douchebags.
	People from Google, people from Yahoo, people from Apple, people from Microsoft.
	Why do you think Google is providing free DNS to everybody?
	This is much worse, much, much worse than a direct government takeover.
	The Internet is going to be run by people like Google.
	This is why Vint Cerf is in here.
	And they are going to determine what Internet freedom is, what Internet governance is, what the rules of the road are going to be.
	There's a document here, 128 pages, written by Vint Cerf, About internet governance and it's our shared responsibility.
	This is very, very bad, people.
	The internet, as most people know it, is going to go away.
	This is what I said.
	Yeah, but I'm just giving the backup and the proof.
	Yeah, well, you did better than I did.
	I just saw it coming.
	It was like a fastball and I didn't really bother to look at how many seams were on it.
	No, you just go, hey, shit's going away, crap.
	It's done.
	Yeah, no, and I just saw Eric Schmidt, they were replaying his little talk with his buddies, Cohen guy, this State Department guy, and the two of them apparently travel all over together, and it's like Clooney and his buddy.
	Oh, yeah.
	And they're flying around, and they were being interviewed at the Computer History Museum by Sheryl Sandberg after 15 minutes of, oh, my lady, we're good friends.
	Lean in!
	Lean in!
	I haven't seen you for a week, kissy, kissy.
	So after that, they started, and poor Eric, because he's just who he is now, and he's now, he just looked like a guy who was just in a different world.
	I think he dresses up in leather and has that orange ball in his mouth on weekends.
	Yeah.
	It's always a possibility.
	I just wanted to read from a piece of this 128-page document written by Vint Cerf, who works for Google.
	Of course, he's a very important scientist, and he created some very important protocols, but screw that.
	He works for Google.
	This is from the Tunis Agenda for the Information Society.
	There's a little intro, and it's written like a UN document.
	I'll just do an example.
	Introduction 1.
	We recognize, which is bolded, that it is now time to move from principles to action, considering the work already being done in implementing the Geneva Plan of Action and identifying those areas where progress has been made, is being made, or has not taken place.
	We reaffirm the commitments made in Geneva and build on them in Tunis by focusing on financial mechanisms for bridging the digital divide, on Internet governance and related issues, as well as on implementation and follow-up of the Geneva and Tunis decisions.
	Internet governance.
	My God, this makes me...
	I literally...
	I throw up in my mouth.
	Number 31.
	We recognize that Internet governance, carried out according to the Geneva Principles, is an essential element for a people-centered, inclusive, development-oriented, and non-discriminatory information society.
	Fuck me with a chainsaw, Vint Cerf!
	Furthermore, we commit ourselves to the stability and security of the Internet as a global facility and to ensuring the requisite legitimacy of its governance...
	Based on the full participation of all stakeholders from both developed and developing countries within their respective roles and responsibilities, and we thank the UN Secretary General for establishing the Working Group on Internet Governance, the WGIG, we commend the Chairman, Members, and Secretariat for their work and their report.
	This thing is all Geneva-based.
	It's all these assholes from these companies who think they're elite.
	They're like, where's Bill Gates?
	He might as well be there.
	They're like, oh, we have to make sure that no one says poop.
	We'll make sure no one says you're gay.
	No bullying online.
	No bullying.
	This is horrible.
	I get it.
	You can play the clip too.
	Which clip is that?
	Adam Curry's pet peeve of the day?
	Well, it's not of the day.
	Adam C. Curry's pet peeve of the day.
	Well, it's today's day.
	He came up with it.
	Anyway.
	Okay, yeah.
	We're doomed.
	It's all about free speech.
	But I just want to point out...
	Shedding people up.
	Yes.
	If people don't talk and they don't write things that are, like, against the government, then there will be no more wars.
	Adam, get with the program.
	We have to make people shut up.
	Yeah.
	That's exactly right.
	And I'm sorry, but I have not heard anyone or seen anyone point to any of the simply available documents in technology reporting just to say, hey, this is the deal.
	This is what's really happening.
	Here's the connections.
	Here's who's running it.
	Google's going to run a big part of this.
	With Eric Schmidt, I'm sure he'll be honorary chair knuckle.
	Of some of this bull crap.
	And the only thing I'm happy about is that the network is unstoppable.
	The DNS, you know, will have to create subsystems for that.
	You know, torrents will be important.
	We can still do that.
	But just a website?
	No.
	That, unfortunately...
	I see, Mr.
	Curry, by looking at your bill here at Time Warner...
	Yes.
	I noticed that you've been using some illegal DNS systems that are not allowed anymore.
	They'll block that off.
	We give you two more strikes or you get no internet.
	I mean, there's all kinds of ways.
	Understand?
	Do you understand?
	I understand, sir.
	I'm sorry, I will comply.
	Or...
	I have a transition clip here.
	Let me just finish this bit off here.
	You will obey.
	So I'm just, I'm spending lots of time on C-SPAN this week, so.
	Yeah, me too.
	I get this one.
	This is the WTF clip.
	I'm listening to this clip So they bring Syria back into the issue.
	All this was completely alien to me.
	I always thought this already happened.
	I thought I was watching a rerun, but play this.
	The Obama administration has suspended the Syrian embassy in Washington and ordered the expulsion of its diplomats and staff.
	Secretary of State John Kerry said the Assad regime has lost the right to claim diplomatic legitimacy.
	We just felt the idea that this This embassy is sitting here with representation that we can take seriously as an insult.
	And we close it.
	It's that simple.
	And we'll see what happens in other places, but the Assad regime can never regain legitimacy in Syria.
	Whether they win, don't win, they can't regain legitimacy.
	They need our help.
	They've got too many messages going on.
	What changed?
	By the way, this is Democracy Now Not C-SPAN. I just want to apologize for that mistake.
	But what changed?
	Well, what changed is apparently some guy named Assad moved out of Syria and some guy named Asshat moved in.
	Do you hear Asshat all the time?
	Asshat.
	I keep hearing Asshat.
	Now I will.
	Thanks.
	I've programmed you.
	You're welcome.
	Asshat.
	Asshat.
	Listen to it.
	Listen to it again.
	It's going to drive you crazy now.
	The Obama administration has suspended the Syrian embassy in Washington and ordered the expulsion of its diplomats and staff.
	Secretary of State John Kerry said the Assad regime has lost the right to claim diplomatic legitimacy.
	We just felt the idea that this...
	This embassy is sitting here with representation that we can take seriously as an insult.
	And we closed it.
	It's that simple.
	And we'll see what happens in other places, but the Assad regime can never...
	He said asshat.
	I'm telling you.
	I bet those guys sit around like, hey, hey, watch this.
	I'll say asshat.
	No, no, no, and I'll catch on.
	It'll be really funny.
	Bass hat.
	Bass hat regime, man.
	Okay.
	Okay, so you were talking about Snowden a minute ago.
	I've got this Snowden clip.
	Did you see the robot Snowden?
	Uh, no.
	Okay, so they have the, uh, Ted up in Vancouver.
	Is it a TEDx or is it a TED? Vancouver's got it, man.
	They've got it up there.
	This must be a TEDx.
	No, no.
	This apparently Vancouver got the real TED. Is it a boot stuff like...
	So Vancouver's got the TED. And so Chris Anderson, it appears to me, came out and he introduced Snowden because he's one of the main guests.
	Chris Anderson runs the TED. Right.
	And so a robot comes out with a TV screen as a head.
	No.
	And it's Snowden.
	No.
	Yes!
	I gotta look at this.
	Hold on a second.
	Can we play this clip?
	No, you're still setting it up.
	Okay.
	So meanwhile, they take this clip, and I think this may have been on Democracy Now!
	too, or one of the news shows, but I think it was Democracy Now!
	So you have to listen to what they clipped from Snowden and what he said, because they only run about six sentences of this nonsense.
	It's a non-sequitur.
	It makes absolutely no sense if you try to listen to what he says and then try to take some notes and tell me what he said, because just play it.
	...to the TED conference in Vancouver, Canada.
	Speaking from Russia through a robot that wheeled out onto the stage, Snowden urged global citizens to work together against unwarranted government surveillance.
	The last year has been a reminder that democracy may die behind closed doors, but we as individuals are born behind those same closed doors.
	We don't have to give up our privacy to have good government.
	We don't have to give up our liberty to have security.
	And I think by working together, we can have both open government and private lives.
	And I look forward to working with everyone around the world to see that happen.
	Wow.
	You know what?
	I think Greg Greenwald stopped writing for him or something.
	Because that was...
	He says, democracies died behind closed doors, but we're born behind those same closed doors.
	What does that mean?
	You can still have privacy and a government.
	That's what he said.
	The whole thing was ludicrous.
	It's a shark jump of epic proportions.
	And Tim Berners-Lee is on stage listening to this bull crap.
	Tim Berners-Lee must be going...
	Damn, man, this is dumb.
	Why'd I sign up for this?
	The whole thing was just ludicrous.
	But the robot, that took the cake.
	Yeah, I see.
	I've seen this in...
	On a commercial somewhere.
	It's like an AT&T commercial where...
	Yeah, it's not a robot with arms and legs.
	It's this rolling thing with a head on it.
	That's a TV set.
	So there's a kid in the hospital and the kid can't come to class, but this robot wheels through the halls of the school.
	Yeah, really?
	Yeah, that happened in my school, sure.
	No, that's not how...
	That's dumb.
	It's so stupid.
	I'm sorry.
	Snowden, I mean, whatever he is or what...
	It's...
	No, I think you're right.
	I think Green will stop fighting for him.
	Yeah, it jeopardizes everything.
	And by the way, is everybody all over this...
	Forget about it.
	It's so stupid.
	Why am I even asking?
	The internet is dead, man.
	Let's say it differently.
	The web is dead.
	The web is captured, hijacked, but the internet will never go away.
	The network itself is indestructible as intended.
	That's the good news.
	That's why I have to write my digital prepper book so people know how to use it and how to reboot things because what you've got now is not going to cut it.
	It's all going to go away.
	Well, it's definitely on its way out.
	I think when this new guy that took over Icon, who's a multi-culti guy, I can't tell where he's from.
	I think he's Persian.
	Well, whatever he is.
	He goes on and he's just so slap-happy glad that this is happening.
	This is great.
	We're out of a job and it's going to be international like it should have been all along.
	He's not out of a job.
	Fadi Chahad.
	Yeah.
	His career has been defined by building consensus and promoting collaborative technologies and practices.
	He has more than 25 years of experience in building and leading progressive internet enterprises.
	Let's see.
	Vocado LLC, a firm that is a provider of cloud-based software for the administration of educational institutions.
	Well, there's a guy who's set for life.
	I think he's Persian.
	He was brought in, obviously, to bust it up.
	Citizen of Egypt, Lebanon, and the United States.
	I guess he has three citizenships.
	Born in Beirut, to Egyptian parents...
	Left the war-torn country in 1980.
	He speaks fluent Arabic, English, French, and Italian.
	Yeah, you're right.
	He's brought in to break it up, but I think he's going to continue to lead this.
	He's not going anywhere.
	Well, as long as he can keep busting it up.
	Vint Cerf and Eric Schmidt and all these people are going to come in.
	All these elites who think they know it better.
	Zuckerberg.
	I can call the president.
	Dicks.
	It's a bunch of dicks.
	I have them on my speed dial.
	Seriously, it's a bunch of dicks.
	All these people.
	I'm sick of them.
	I'm literally sick of them.
	And they've hijacked...
	You know, so after this art talk yesterday, and I'll shut up about it.
	No, I like this discussion.
	Mickey and I, so we got to grab a bite.
	It's like 8 o'clock, and I'd worked all afternoon.
	I said, let's grab a bite.
	And then I worked till like 1.30, because that was just in the middle.
	But I got my prep school night, you know, prep night.
	And we go to Diner 24 here in Austin, which as the name implies, it's a diner.
	It's open 24 hours a day.
	It's the best food in Austin if you just want something good parking, good food, everything good, good, good.
	And next to us is a glass hole.
	And I have not seen one of these in the wild.
	So that is a person wearing Google Glass.
	Yes.
	And I say to Mickey in Dutch, I say, you know, look, there's one of those guys.
	And she looks over and she says, does he have a disability or something?
	What's that thing on his head?
	Yeah.
	Like, that's exactly what it looks like.
	Looks like you've got a disability, man.
	Like, you're handicapped with that big thing sticking out of the back of your head.
	It's ugly and dumb.
	And, of course, I made the joke, which all the glassholes hate.
	Okay, Google, show porn!
	And he was like, why are you wearing that thing?
	You look like a douche.
	It is bad.
	It's beyond bad.
	You don't see them a lot, but you do see them.
	I've seen them for months.
	And they really do look like, you just look douchey.
	I don't know what you're trying to prove.
	I mean, I'm using it for just to know what time it is, or I don't know.
	It's always showing the time.
	Anyway, this is your No Agenda show.
	Best podcast in the universe, as evidenced by this jingle.
	The best podcast in the universe.
	And we are medicine for your media malaise.
	I'm going to show my salute by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda.
	In the morning.
	Alright, we have a few donors that thanks and contributors and producers.
	George Ober.
	Can I just make a little point of order?
	Parliamentary inquiry?
	No.
	Just so people are not confused, executive producers and associate executive producers, we read your notes verbatim on the air no matter what's in there.
	We read everything and we may make a selection out of the over 50 donations, but we really just try to move it along and thank you for your courage and your kittens and your puppies and all that.
	So, you know, this is the deal.
	Otherwise, the show dies.
	It would take too long.
	We have no time for this.
	We've already known this because we've had...
	And here's what happened, and I've told this to somebody.
	I said, I don't understand why you don't read all the notes.
	We were doing that for a while until it became...
	Impossible because people weren't writing notes.
	They were writing war and peace.
	Yeah.
	And so they'd be like a three-page monograph about blah, blah, blah, the way I see it.
	You know, I saw this on Glenn Beck.
	And they would go on and on.
	And then we'd try to edit it down a little bit, usually on the fly because the spreadsheet comes in in the morning.
	And then they'd get mad that we didn't read the whole, no, you forgot to mention my wife.
	So we eventually killed that part of it.
	If you really have something to say, you can become an executive producer, and then you can say it there.
	And you might get lucky in this section, but in this case, when somebody sends in a check and then writes a note, and then in the note there's some interesting stuff in it.
	And handwritten notes do sometimes have priority because they're fun to read, and they're beautiful, and someone took time.
	Yeah, somebody went through a lot of effort.
	Please count this donation as a belated birthday gift to the man who hit me in the mouth last June.
	His name, you ask, future knight Kevin McCarthy.
	He just turned 30, and I figured this would be the perfect gift for the best friend of 25 years.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You may also notice the peculiar amount, as I'd like to call his girlfriend Kimberly, to the stage.
	She earned her strut at Club 33 when she recently questioned the show's accuracy at brunch.
	From now on, any woman who questions the No Agenda show will be forced to dance.
	This is a good policy.
	Yes.
	I don't believe those guys.
	That can't be true.
	How's the club now?
	Just reading from documents, mostly.
	How is the club now?
	Can we open this thing up again Sunday?
	Sunday, Sunday, Sunday?
	These asshole inspectors.
	The guy came...
	I told you about this after the last show.
	You know, we had water damage and we had to have another inspection.
	The guy makes an appointment and then cancels the appointment the same day.
	Now I have to wait a week for the guy to come back?
	Oh, man.
	Really?
	You know, we have these guys here in Austin.
	I see them at the neighbor's house.
	They have trucks here, and it's called the Code Compliance Force.
	And literally their slogan is, Protecting Austin's Quality of Life.
	And they have uniforms and badges and shit, and they're looking for...
	Really?
	Yes, and looking for...
	I took a picture of one the other day.
	Wow.
	Oh, yeah.
	They're like cops.
	And they got cop-like cars.
	Everybody's like a cop nowadays.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	They got uniforms.
	Everybody's got to be a cop.
	Blashing badges.
	So is that like this in the Club 33?
	It's like the hall monitor syndrome.
	Yes.
	Like, it is.
	Suddenly everybody wants to be a cop.
	Yeah, it is.
	Or a SWAT team.
	Yeah, even better.
	What does the little towns have SWAT teams for?
	It's never made sense to me.
	And then they always bust into the wrong house and they never, you know, they wreck the guys, shoot the guys' dog.
	There's dog shootings everywhere.
	Anyway, I can go on.
	All right, so that's our note from George.
	Keith McColpin in Imperial, Pennsylvania, $100.01.
	He wants us to work our asses off, but he put the one cent in, is what he says.
	Sir Philip Smith, Oslo, Norway.
	Philip Smith in Oslo, Norway.
	$100.
	Thanks for your courage.
	Richard Olson in Ellensburg, Washington.
	And his wife.
	I think his wife should get credit.
	I thought I put it in there.
	I guess not.
	But he wrote the check.
	And I never heard of Ellensburg, Washington, which is weird.
	Fabian Scherchel in Hanover, Germany.
	Deutschland, sorry.
	Been listening for years, finally dedouching myself.
	Here's some value for value.
	As a fellow podcaster, I have a lot of respect for what you do.
	I'll do a little dedouching here.
	Dedouching.
	You've been dedouched.
	Now it's ShareShell.
	ShareShell.
	ShareShell.
	Danny Haynes in Grayston's Australia.
	And he emailed a separate comment.
	Which we read, I guess.
	The 8888 thing.
	Yeah, sorry, I was...
	The 99 thing off, too.
	Yeah, no, I got the...
	You know, today is not a good day on the computer.
	I don't know what's going...
	It's time...
	You know, this thing is...
	Screw it.
	This thing has been around for so long.
	We've had this for...
	This is since San Francisco days, man.
	Really?
	Yeah, this is like...
	What is it now?
	What?
	Oh, no.
	Play the 999 thing for our friend.
	That's what I just did.
	Oh, okay.
	Anyway, he sent a long...
	Kind of a long note about...
	He finds the show great.
	That's all I can say.
	That's good.
	Anyway, he's got the...
	Daniel Brown, that's my way of saying 88, 88.
	He's in Deutschland.
	He's in the Armed Forces, 7124.
	John Tirada, who's a common contributor.
	69, 69.
	69, 69, dude!
	It's crazy.
	So you get a whole bunch of them, and then it's always two.
	Yes, two.
	Two.
	Always two.
	Two.
	There's another one, two.
	John Strague in San Antonio.
	Isn't he Sir John by now?
	I think so.
	Might be.
	He didn't say that.
	He was a 600 producer.
	I don't know.
	He wants some karma, and he was a...
	Yeah, I do know.
	I do want some karma.
	You've got karma.
	Why not?
	And John Tirada wanted karma for everybody.
	We'll put that at the end.
	Of course.
	Eric Nagel in Utrecht.
	Bündschot to Spakenberg.
	Yes, exactly.
	How'd you know?
	$60.02.
	Nicholas Samaras, $60.01.
	Robert Owens, Oak Hill, Virginia.
	By the way, we counted the votes and we figured that the dark show and the clip show, we're doing a clip show, so that's what we're doing.
	Exactly.
	On 420.
	And we're having our clip show expert, Ramsey.
	That's right, Ramsey.
	Do the clip show for us because he's good.
	He's good.
	He's good.
	He's very good.
	Gabriel Shabazian in Irvine, California, $60.
	Hans Hoffner, these are all belated $60.
	Thank you very much for doing 600 shows donations.
	Hans Hoffner in Berlin, Deutschland.
	I missed the deadline, he says, but here he is.
	He needs some job karma that's coming up at the end.
	They're pitching music for a new series in Germany, so they need to win that thing.
	Okay.
	All right, Hans.
	A new series?
	Like an acting series where I can get a bit part?
	Yeah, that would be the one.
	I'd go to Berlin for that.
	Steven Reiko.
	Reiko.
	I think it's Reiko.
	Maybe.
	R-I-E-C-O. Winston-Salem.
	John Porter Paisley, UK. Arthur Gobitz in Zandam, Holland.
	More cats in newsletter appreciated.
	Dogs are so show five niner niner.
	I've only done...
	I've done two dogs and I've done like eight cats.
	I love the puppies.
	He's petting the other puppy's head.
	It was very cute.
	But I get the biggest kick out of knowing that you are sitting there in your chaise lounge searching for puppy images.
	I know, it's disgusting.
	It's a little creepy, actually.
	A little, to say the least.
	Erez Schatz.
	It doesn't take that long.
	I know how to look for images.
	Erez Schatz in Binamina in Israel, 60.
	Brian Navarro, LA, California, 60.
	Anthony Rodriguez, 55, 10.
	Double niggles on the diamond.
	Faber, Virginia.
	Anthony Rodriguez, 50.
	I'm sorry, I just said Anthony Rodriguez in favor of Virginia.
	I should have.
	Kevin Nunes in East Brunswick, New Jersey.
	Double nickels on the dime.
	Let's see.
	Liberty Deck, I guess, in Rock Springs, Wyoming.
	From Wyoming for the underappreciated show notes and Adam's quick response to a technical issue.
	The show notes are incredibly valuable.
	I think they're worth the price of all the money that we get.
	Mark Meschi in Montgomery, Illinois.
	Double nickels on the dime.
	Stacey St.
	Armand in Kingston, Ontario.
	These are all $50 donors.
	And she has a note we have to read.
	My brother pointed me to your show and I've been listening religiously.
	My bro says he's frugal, but I say he's a cheap bastard.
	So please send a douchebag his way and hopefully the show coughs up a buck.
	Keep on the amazing work debunking.
	Thank you, Stacey.
	James Wolgamuth in Everett, Washington, $50.
	Michael Gates, Colorado Springs.
	Andrew Haverson in Gravenhurst, Ontario, Canada.
	Benjamin Smith and Jamie Kidd, $50.
	Nathan Hanson in St. Paul.
	I do have a note from Hanson.
	He's a lawyer.
	He sent a nice typewritten note.
	But he says, we'll give some karma at the end.
	He needs some work karma.
	But he would like to call out his friend Tristan as a boner douchebag.
	Douchebag!
	And finally, Mark Tannen in Whittier, California with $50.
	We want to thank these folks and everyone else who helped the show get produced by helping us pay for it.
	Go to Dvorak.org slash NA. We have another show coming up, 6.02 on Sunday.
	We hope that people keep up the pace here.
	Thanks.
	We most certainly do.
	We need all the help that we can get.
	I continue because, you know, there's actual work being done here.
	You know, it's always amazing to me.
	A couple of people that artists talk, you know, they know what I do.
	Like, well, why can't you come?
	Why can't we go out now?
	Well, because I work on Sundays.
	Yeah, so it's just a microphone.
	You're just talking crap.
	You just go on and spout conspiracy theories.
	They said that.
	I mean, it's not exactly that way, but sometimes, you know, we make it look easy.
	That's what it is.
	We make it look easy.
	That's what you do.
	That's what you do when you're a pro.
	Try to do a show.
	Go ahead and do a show.
	Right now I'd like to give everybody some well-deserved karma, and this also, of course, includes our donors who check in under the $50 level, which is often done specifically to remain anonymous.
	I also have a note here.
	John and Adam, I want to see you a copy of an email I got from PayPal stating that you suspended my monthly subscription, which I know is not true!
	And it happened because I got a new credit card number.
	Thank you, Target.
	And due to this lie, I will stop using PayPal for my future donations to your show, and I just set up an automatic payment for my bank.
	You should be receiving a check from them by the end of the week.
	I think you should keep reminding people about this issue and how easy it is to use your bank instead.
	Yeah, the bank thing works like a charm.
	I think the banks are kind of, you know, they don't know what's going on.
	They set it up.
	And it's like they have this service and it's free.
	Yeah, which is good for us too.
	So yeah, PayPal cancels subscriptions all the time.
	On a second note, I'd like to share my karma story.
	I recently moved from Rhode Island to Las Vegas, Nevada.
	I've been trying to sell my house in Rhode Island since October.
	I didn't get any offers on it at all.
	I was paying two mortgages for a couple of months already, so money was very tight, but I spared a few bucks and decided to donate a little extra for the show on February the 13th.
	Even though I didn't get specific house selling karma because my amount wasn't high enough, thanks to general karma you guys sent out to all the donors the very next day, I got an offer on the house and I'm closing on it at the end of this month.
	I was always a skeptic of karma, but this made me a believer.
	Thanks for creating a great and outstanding product, the No Agenda Show.
	Thank you, Greg W. And for you, sir, and everyone else, here's your general purpose karma.
	Take it!
	You've got karma.
	And love it!
	And then I have a quick make good from Five Niner Niner.
	Bernie Glynn from Bear Mountain, New South Wales, Australia donated $60.04.
	Of course, he was voting for...
	What is the four?
	Was that the clip show or that was just the get out of the way or go dark or whatever it was?
	Go dark is five.
	Please help us for the Sunday show.
	Go to...
	Dvorak.org slash N-A. Oh, all right.
	We're at it.
	Might as well do this for a moment.
	Well, it's a big list of all but one, and it's the same Bernie Glenn who celebrated his birthday on March 13th.
	Happy birthday from your buddies here at the No Agenda Show!
	All right, then we have a couple of nightings to do.
	I've got David Varney lined up, and also Elliot Gardner.
	Now, Elliot Gardner, we met him on the Hot Pockets Tour Pennsylvania.
	His birthday, we celebrated his birthday, I think, last Friday before Show 600.
	And his brother, Andrew Gardner, Sir Andrew Gardner, he has over 1,500 in his...
	His standings, and he is going to donate a part of that to compensate and fill up his brother's knighthood.
	So, because he already has, he was halfway there, and so these brothers, of course, are big supporters of the show, and we're happy to knight Sir, or Elliot Gardner, make him Sir Elliot Gardner.
	I do not see if there's a special name for him.
	And we also have David Dural, Who was not knighted on show 600, so he is a black knight.
	Doesn't happen often, but this one, we literally slipped on it.
	And he will be Sir Mr.
	Texas of Phoenix.
	So, I'll get my blade here.
	Didn't we have the one that was at the beginning of the show, too, that I found?
	David Varney.
	I got him here.
	Just grab your sword.
	Okay, very good.
	All right, David Durrell.
	Come on by.
	Elliot Gardner and David Varney.
	All three of you are now joining the elite group, the Noah General Roundtable of Knights and Dames.
	So, hereby pronounce the Sir...
	Black Knight, Sir Mr.
	Texas of Phoenix, Sir Elliot Gardner, and Sir David Varney.
	Gentlemen, for you, I've got it right here.
	Your hookers and blow, your rent boys and chardonnay.
	If you want, I've got some bad science and perky breasts, geishas and a bucket of fried chicken, hot pants and booze, sparkling cider and escorts, or maybe just some mutton and mead.
	Congratulations.
	Thank you very much for your support of the best podcast in the universe.
	It's highly appreciated.
	It keeps us going.
	And it's a value-for-value proposition, so clearly you've gotten the value.
	Thank you.
	Go to noagenernation.com slash rings to pick up your ring, sealing wax, and your official certificate so that you can continue to hit people in the mouth.
	Excellent.
	Yes, indeed.
	I gotta, let me see, what the...
	Can we just do a little complete intrametso, just a two-minute something completely different?
	Yeah!
	Okay, this is a video that I thought was really nice to play the audio from.
	You may or may not have seen this.
	It's a two-minute video, and it's really cute, old-fashioned images, but the audio speaks for itself, and it will put a little bit of this crazy world into perspective.
	I can't believe we made it.
	According to today's regulators and bureaucrats, those of us who were kids in the 50s, 60s, 70s, or even early 80s probably should not have survived.
	Our baby cribs were covered with bright colored lead-based paint.
	We had no child-proof lids or locks on medicine bottles, doors, or cabinets.
	And when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets.
	We drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle.
	We ate cupcakes, bread and butter and drank soda with lots of sugar in it.
	But we were rarely overweight because we were always outside playing.
	We'd leave home in the morning and play all day as long as we were back when the street lights came on.
	No one was able to reach us all day.
	Smartphones?
	We didn't have cell phones at all.
	No PlayStations, Xboxes, limitless channels on cable, laptops or tablets.
	Facebook was an actual face and an actual book.
	We had friends.
	We went outside and found them.
	We played dodgeball and sometimes the ball would hurt.
	We fell out of trees, got cut and broke bones and teeth.
	And there were no lawsuits from these accidents.
	No one was to blame but us.
	Remember accidents?
	We had fights and punched each other and got black and blue and learned to get over it.
	We made up games with sticks and tennis balls, and although we were told it would happen, we didn't put out any eyes.
	We rode bikes or walked to a friend's home, knocked on the door, rang the bell, or just walked right in and talked to them.
	Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team.
	Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment.
	Some students weren't as smart as others, so they failed a grade and were held back to repeat the same grade.
	Tests were not adjusted for any reason.
	Our actions were our own.
	Consequences were expected.
	The idea of parents bailing us out if we got in trouble in school or broke a law was unheard of.
	They actually sided with the school or the law.
	Imagine that!
	Now this generation has produced some of the best risk takers, problem solvers, and inventors ever.
	We had freedom, failure, success, and responsibility, and we learned how to deal with it.
	If you've related to anything that was just said, you're one of them.
	Congratulations.
	You made it.
	Jimmy, congratulations, you old fart.
	Yeah, I like it.
	Congratulations, John.
	You know, this is the kind of thing.
	I knew you would hate it.
	I knew you would hate it.
	No, I mean, I'm not disagreeing with the thesis.
	But it's just the pontifical aspect of it.
	And this is the kind of thing that shows up in email a lot.
	Somebody says, oh, this is a good old...
	It's a chain letter, by the way.
	It's not like somebody's sincerely emailing you.
	They're passing along a chain letter, which has a laundry list of this crap.
	And you know how the doors, the cars used to be two-toned and there'd be all these kinds of sentimental garbage.
	And I find it detestable.
	It's like it's got nothing to do with the problems at hand.
	But okay, you know, we can bitch and moan and be sentimental about the way things should have been or used to be or maybe they were good, maybe they were bad.
	It's beside the point that's not the world we live in.
	We do have smartphones.
	It's the way it is.
	And they're all going to get cut off someday by some government takeover.
	If anybody thinks that the one thing that's never changed is the warlike characteristics of the human species.
	And it's going to end up creating some horrible situation, killing millions of people the way it always does.
	And the cell phone connection is going to be gone.
	And people won't know what to do because they never got their ham license.
	That's what this should be about.
	And there it is, your ham license.
	Exactly.
	Bottom line, ham.
	I was thinking the other day, is it feasible, what is your take on this, that the human species has not been able to evolve in pace with what the internet delivers?
	Do you know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	We can't process.
	We don't know how to deal with it.
	Because when you listen to this, yeah, that's kind of how I grew up.
	We didn't have all that stuff.
	And all of a sudden, Internet.
	The Internet is the worst thing that's ever happened, the way I see it.
	I think you're right.
	It's the best of times and the worst of times in the same bucket.
	But won't our kids, or will it be their kids that maybe can do something?
	Or will they all be just these robots like Snowden wheeling around on stage?
	It's pretty much like the Futurama show with Nixon's head in a jaw.
	Yeah, the kids will just be sitting at home, jerking off to porn, but they'll be attending school on those robots with wheels.
	Yeah, something like that.
	They'll be eating pop rocks.
	Yeah.
	It's true, though, isn't it?
	We don't understand how to...
	Maybe we need internet governance.
	Maybe we need to be rationed.
	Well, no, I think the powers that be, the elites, are just trying to protect their stuff.
	Yeah, throttles.
	Once they get their stuff, many of them have gotten ill-gotten stuff, and much of it is by accident, but they've got it and they want to keep it.
	They've decided they're just going to keep the whole world in check as long as they can so they can enjoy themselves.
	Yeah, they're going to throttle our access.
	So I got a couple of clips that you're going to get a kick out of.
	Oh, good.
	I need a kick.
	Well, you're not going to get a kick.
	The clips are kind of boring, but the interesting thing was they were on Charlie Rose, and I've got three of them.
	The Ukraine, about how the sanctions won't work.
	Another expert, a professor at Barnard College, confirms your liquid natural gas thesis, but that's what it's all about.
	And then the guy who's the host, which curiously isn't Charlie Rose.
	Oh, but wait a minute.
	Tell me about the sexuality.
	It's in your DNA. Oh, that's a bummer, because I was all ready for Charlie.
	So when Charlie Rose goes away for some reason, or maybe they didn't want him on this particular show talking to, one of the guests is the managing partner of the Kissinger and Associates Group.
	Sounds like a fun...
	The other one is a professor at Barnard.
	I'm Henry Kissinger.
	I'm going to kill you.
	And the guy who's now the host...
	You're going to just die.
	Richard Haass, the President of the Council on Foreign Relations.
	Wow, really?
	Yes.
	Guys, trying to make it more obvious...
	Wow.
	Okay, sanctions won't happen first off?
	Yeah, let's just play these and we can discuss them.
	How do I get placed in Kiev a government that is going to be at a minimum in the near term, not hostile to my interests, is not going to move closer to Europe, and keep this Ukraine in play to a point where I think I can bring the whole thing into a nation?
	Professor Martin Kimbley just basically said that sanctions might not be able to do a whole lot for us.
	What's your view?
	Do you feel we've got economic tools that could basically persuade Mr.
	Putin to temper his ambitions?
	I think the short answer to that is no.
	Particularly if we're not prepared to do a lot of harm to ourselves.
	You mean the United States, Europe, or both?
	I think it has to be both.
	It has to be a consolidated, use the term, Western position.
	And there's a lot of economic hardship you could create that might cause Mr.
	Putin to rethink.
	But we would have to be prepared to sacrifice a lot on our side.
	As Kim has said, I mean, they are intertwined.
	You can't hurt Russia without hurting us in some way.
	And the problem is that when you look at this from the standpoint of European interest and American interest, it doesn't rise to the level it does in Russia.
	So they're prepared to withstand a lot more pain than we are.
	And I don't think that we're prepared to do that damage to ourselves to make a point about changing borders in Europe at this point.
	All right.
	I'd just like to beat the point up that nothing's going to come up.
	Yeah, nothing's going to happen.
	Of course.
	It's all just posturing and we just want the missiles on the border and just try to pressure the guy when he's weak and just go grab his stuff.
	Now, here's an interesting one.
	This is the LNG thesis.
	And I only clipped this because I know your theory, and I like it, because my theory is simpler, which is it's all about Snowden, although it's not, but I like that idea.
	But you're in the LNG camp, which thinks that this is all about getting our gas over there and screw the Russians.
	Well, it's a big part of it.
	Not all, but it's a big part of it.
	Well, no, but it's a big part of it.
	And this is the woman.
	She's totally on board with this.
	You've already expressed your skepticism on economic sanctions.
	But if the West, for example, increased its military collaboration with Poland and others, if the West increased its energy exports to challenge Russia's advantages in that area, would Mr.
	Putin still see this as so much tipping the balance in his face?
	What's this Mr.
	Putin bullcrap?
	What is that all about?
	Well, I think actually what Putin has done is to provoke the West to do exactly those things.
	And what is so amazing is that Putin already had a great deal of influence in Ukraine.
	Ukraine is dependent on Russia for its natural gas imports.
	There is such a large Russian ethnic population in Ukraine that it meant that whatever coalition government were to emerge over the long term in Ukraine, Putin would have influence there.
	Putin was about ready to sign contracts for aircraft development with Ukrainian enterprises when all of this went bad.
	And so, in a sense, Putin has brought on himself the fact that now NATO is going to focus on the East-West divide in a way that it hasn't been doing since the end of the Cold War and has certainly made it certain that Europe is going to increase its capabilities to accept liquid natural gas and other forms of natural gas alternatives.
	So when this happens, and the glow, shall we say, wears thin in Moscow, and suddenly the Russian economy is paying a price, Russia is even more isolated, military, NATO has essentially found a new lease on life, does Mr.
	Putin then start confronting, if you will, second-guessers and saying, hey, this may not have been such a good thing for us?
	Even in the short run, if this helps him, in the medium and long run, could this come back and bite him?
	Well, I'm sure what he's going to try to do is blame any economic problems on the West, which he's done already with the economic difficulties that Russia currently finds itself in.
	But what's really going to make a difference is how the leaders of the Russian businesses that have been internationalized recently react to this.
	Gazprom is becoming a pawn of the Russian state, and it doesn't want to do that.
	It wants to be a profit-making entity.
	Putin!
	Who is that woman?
	I left the envelope downstairs again, but it's a professor...
	With the winner?
	Was the winner in the envelope?
	What?
	Was the winner in the envelope you left downstairs?
	No, it was a bill.
	She's a professor at Barnard College.
	So, something that I did pick up on one thing in that clip that I didn't know, or maybe I did, but I'm just...
	He was working on an aircraft contract with Ukrainian manufacturers?
	Yeah, I guess.
	Interesting.
	I never heard that either.
	Yeah.
	So anyway, let me just wrap this up with this guy.
	The constant foreign relations guy, you learn most about him by his questions themselves.
	There's also a buzzword in this last clip, which I want you to see ring the bell when you hear it, which I warned you about.
	And this is just a random analysis about what would happen if they, you know, they start arming these guys and it's obviously nobody thinks that's a good idea.
	Tom, if you were still in one of your old jobs at the State Department or the White House and the president said, look, I don't want to hear discouraging ideas.
	What I want to hear are your best ideas for what we can do to get Mr.
	Putin to alter his calculus.
	What would you tell the president?
	There are, I think, two things.
	One is, we do have to recognize it is the Ukraine question, and it's where Ukraine is going to be located economically and geopolitically over the long term.
	And maybe Russia had You think leaders are influencing Ukraine, but the problem was that Ukraine was drifting westward.
	That's what the negotiation of the agreement, the association agreement, was all about.
	NATO was still on the table, even if pushed way on the back burner at this point.
	So one of the positive things you try to do is to take Ukraine off that geopolitical table at this point.
	A lot of people have talked about neutrality.
	way for some period to give Putin some confidence that Ukraine is not going to be in play.
	Well, the Prime Minister of Ukraine just the other day basically said, "We have no intentions of becoming a member of NATO," basically meant to reassure, shall we say, Mr. Putin.
	Absolutely, but this would have to be something that then is endorsed by the United States, the major European powers.
	Should that be something the United States is prepared to do, either on its own or in exchange for something else?
	I think it's something the United States should be prepared to do on its own, and it's something that you want to have a conversation with Mr.
	Putin about as well.
	What about the question, as some have said, of arming the Ukrainians, the idea that the United States, no less, would provide arms?
	I've heard the other side argued that that's the worst of all options because it would be so slow to have a real military effect, yet it might actually provoke Mr.
	Putin to do something.
	I mean, the problem we have is the Ukrainian state.
	And the state of the Ukrainian state.
	I mean, the way you would deal with Putin, ideally, is to build a functioning Ukrainian state.
	Russia moves into vacuums.
	They don't move into places where they're going to meet stiff resistance.
	Putin!
	Calculus.
	Calculus.
	I keep an eye out for that word.
	I do have one more clip I want to play, which is going back to the council and strategy and international whatever, which is the...
	This is a little...
	This is like when we spotted the Crimean thing.
	This is a similar situation.
	Apparently, there's a similar situation in Moldova.
	This is what...
	What's his face?
	McCain mentioned Moldova, didn't he?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And this little situation...
	Everybody that's at this think tank with all the hot shots of Brzezinski and the rest of them, they all said this is nothing to even talk about or think about because we still got to deal with the Ukraine.
	We should focus...
	While this is playing, what is the name of this think tank again that everyone was at?
	The Center for Strategic and International Studies.
	CSIS. And I think the guy who asked this question is from the IIIS, another one of these bullcrap operations that are essentially just policy makers for the State Department largely.
	Thank you.
	François Heisbourg from the IISS. There is another country which has a common border with an EU member and with a NATO member, and which has an agreement with the EU, and that's Moldova.
	And Moldova also has its own Crimea in the form of Transnistria, which is now asking Russia to become part of the Russian Federation.
	And there is a game which is beginning now between Russia and Moldova to get Moldova to go to the Eurasian agreement in exchange of Transnistria not being made part of Russia.
	What should we be doing now to prevent that particular domino from falling?
	Because if it does, then you're going to have a problem for Russia of territorial continuity between Russian Transnistria and Russian Crimea, and that happens to be the southern borderlands of Ukraine.
	Transnistria or Transmystria?
	Which one is it?
	Transnistria.
	T-R-A-N-S-N-I-S-T-R-I-A. Great name.
	Yeah.
	Really like that.
	It's a breakaway state located mostly on the strip of land between the River Nester and the eastern Moldovan border with Ukraine.
	Right, right, right.
	What's going on there?
	There's got to be something valuable.
	Well, I don't know.
	That's a good question.
	So I'm looking at the CSIS operated at $29.8 million in 2010.
	I've noticed a lot of these big think tanks have not yet even filed their 2012 Form 990s, but they're past due now.
	I mean, you can only get an extension until October...
	Of 2013, just like your own taxes, like your personal taxes.
	Yeah, you can push it to one.
	But why do these big organizations...
	What's the problem?
	Why can't they do it?
	I don't know.
	It doesn't make sense.
	You'd think they'd hire one bookkeeper.
	It's annoying, and I don't like it.
	It is annoying, but so what?
	I mean, so what?
	Well, I mean, so what?
	If you're going to be one of these operations running this kind of business with millions and millions of dollars of cash flow, you're going to have to be responsible, it seems to me.
	Yeah, they're not.
	Not that I think it's a great idea.
	No, they're not.
	As far as I'm concerned, everything should be just a wealth tax.
	Yeah, I know.
	But there should be no non-profits.
	This is bull.
	That's true, too.
	It's just a bunch of bull crap paperwork.
	I can't find anything about this operation, this Transnistria.
	I find, at least for non-profits, they should have to write in detail who the donors are.
	They don't have to report that?
	I hate that.
	Why don't they have to report who gives them money?
	I think they should.
	Every person.
	If someone's going to be able to deduct that tax-free donation...
	Well, if you're a working person and you're getting your 1099s, even if you're a contractor, you are reporting with the 1099 who you're getting your money from.
	So the citizenry is generally reporting where they're getting their money from.
	Yes.
	The citizenry.
	So your point is absolutely correct.
	Why aren't these people reporting where they're getting their money from?
	Yeah, because it's dodgy and shady.
	It's very dodgy, very shady.
	I have a little clip here.
	You know, one of my favorite things to track for many years now has been the HPV, the Hapa-Papa-Lapa-Lapa-Virus.
	This is vaginal warts, really, which apparently you can get in your throat if you participate in cunnilingus, which is why boys and girls all over the world have been vaccinated with the Gardazil vaccine.
	And I've tracked this very closely because one of the things that we have seen in the past is...
	Do you think this could explain a raspy voice to some commentators who sell seeds?
	Yes, but that's not from Cunnilingus.
	Hey-oh!
	Hey-oh! Woo!
	Wow, you threw me off.
	One of the things that I found so egregious, first of all, the vaccine does not really protect you against all strains of vaginal warts.
	They also go away by themselves.
	Yes, you can get cervical cancer, of course, but there's a very simple test.
	You can do the vinegar test.
	Pap smear, of course, they changed the pap smear not too long ago to a new system which has very high false positives, and we've tracked this consistently with many women in my life and in our audience, where you get a false positive, you start freaking out, they say, oh, you could be pre-cancerous, you're pre-cancerous, you're pre-dead!
	And then you go through all these crazy tests, and then you do another test, and then 9 out of 10 cases, it's okay.
	But you know what?
	Just so that never happens again, why don't you take the first of two Gardasil shots, which will only cost your insurance $350?
	Big scam as far as I'm concerned.
	And then there's a lot of side effects and things that I don't want to get into all that, but there's some evidence that this HPV virus is not helpful to a lot of young girls.
	Very surprised to find out that Roche...
	Now, Merck makes the Gardazil.
	Roche has been approved by the FDA with their new test...
	Which will do away with pap smears and will be replaced by the Roche HPV test.
	Even though more than 12,000 American women were diagnosed with cervical cancer last year, it's still the easiest female cancer to prevent because of two main tests.
	The first is the pap test, or pap smear, which detects precancerous cells in the cervix.
	It's the gold standard of cervical cancer prevention.
	The pap test is recommended for all women aged 21 to 65 years, although the cancer has a tendency to show up in midlife.
	The second is the HPV, or human papillomavirus test, which looks for the virus.
	Almost 99.9% of cervical cancers are caused by HPV. If you get an HPV test with pap, the cells collected during a pap smear will be tested for HPV in a lab.
	Talk with your doctor whether an HPV test is needed.
	In some cases, an HPV vaccine may be recommended.
	But keep in mind, the pap test and the HPV test only screen for cervical cancer.
	Neither test detects for ovarian, uterine, or vaginal cancers.
	Exactly.
	And by the way, I'd like to say maybe.
	They may advise to get the shot.
	Well, here's the interesting part.
	Two of our producers were at the ballroom at College Park, Maryland Holiday Inn, with this announcement by the FDA. And here's their report.
	The FDA collaborated with Roche on the clinical trial and provided them with the results that were presented at the hearing.
	To achieve the results, the statistical analysis that took place was not done properly because the samples were not normalized, which skewed the clinical trial information in a way that proved the results that were desired by the FDA. The asshats at Roche were so confident as to the outcome of the hearing, they were bragging in the Holiday Inn restaurant dining room they had the whole hearing in the bag because they'd been in bed and in collusion with the FDA all along.
	And our two producers overheard all this while they were there.
	Just imagine these asshats at Roche.
	We got it in the bag.
	FDA, it was all good, no problem.
	Wow, great feet-on-the-ground report.
	And I've put the entire report, which contains a little more information, into the show notes with, of course, names, etc., removed as they requested.
	But the information is confident.
	These are basically our version of whistleblowers.
	I love that.
	And, of course, only our listeners know any of this.
	Oh, yeah.
	And then I have one more email that'll be it for me.
	Something that neither of us really picked up on, but of course, why would we?
	But it's so...
	Well, actually, you have two things.
	It's so obvious once it was pointed out to me.
	Come on.
	It's just not a good computer day.
	Come on.
	I would run a virus check on that machine.
	Yeah, sure.
	From episode 599er, Neil deGrasse Tyson.
	Tyson, this is the guy who's doing the New Cosmos show.
	Yeah.
	And science.
	Yeah, this is a great letter.
	Did you get this one?
	All right.
	Well, I don't know if you did.
	I think so.
	Let me just go back briefly to a small piece of Neil deGrasse Tyson.
	We all know we live in a politically divided country where almost anything is fair game for snipers on both sides.
	But science?
	Shouldn't science be immune from politics?
	After all, it's called scientific fact for a reason.
	And yet there are millions of climate deniers, evolution deniers, vaccine deniers out there.
	Last year in a speech on climate change, President Obama summed up the war on science this way.
	I don't have much patience for anyone who denies that this challenge is real.
	We don't have time for a meeting of the Flat Earth Society.
	Many Americans agree with him, but many other Americans see science as an attack.
	An attack on their values, or on their religion, or on what they believe to be true.
	Which brings me to my next guest.
	I am so excited he's here today.
	He may just be the man who can end the war on science.
	At least he's got a better chance than you or I have.
	He's Neil deGrasse Tyson, an astrophysicist and director of the Hayden Planetarium in New York.
	I keep hearing asshat, an asshat physicist.
	Now it's really in my brain.
	Yeah, you better go to his counselor.
	Can you imagine a primetime network television show all about science?
	Pretty amazing.
	Pretty amazing.
	Thanks for having me.
	I want to talk all about Cosmos in a moment, but I first want to ask you, do you think there is a war on science the way I'm describing?
	And if so, how do you think we can broker a peace?
	Our civilization, our civilization is built On the innovations of scientists and technologists and engineers who have shaped everything that we so take for granted today.
	So some of the science deniers or science haters, these are people who are telling that to you while they're on their mobile phone, okay?
	We're saying, I don't like science.
	Oh, yeah, GPS just told us to go left.
	Yeah, okay.
	So it's time for people to sort of sit back and reassess what role science has actually played in our lives and learn how to embrace that going forward, because without it, we will just regress back into the cave.
	You don't talk about the spherical Earth with NASA in it and then say, oh, now let's give equal time to the flat earthers.
	Plus, science is not there for you to cherry pick.
	All right.
	Here we are into the email received.
	Adam and John, enjoy your discussion in episode 599 of the Neil deGrasse Tyson clip on science and climate deniers.
	I just want to add an observation I think that you and John may have missed or didn't have time to point out.
	No, we missed it.
	The language that Tyson and his interviewer use is religious language.
	Tyson says...
	Sorry.
	Yeah, I'm still sick.
	Tyson says, science is not there for you to cherry-pick.
	It's true whether you believe in it or not.
	You can decide not to believe in it, but that doesn't change the reality.
	As a Christian, Adam and John, I recognize this as faith language, particularly used in apologetics.
	I have heard and read arguments and sermons just like this.
	The Bible is not there for you to cherry-pick.
	It's true whether you believe in it or not.
	I submit that science as a whole, with no distinction between fields of study, some of which are more theoretical than not, is being positioned as a religion with scientists as the modern-day prophets.
	As technology and science becomes more complicated so that, as the old quotation goes, they seem more like magic, belief in science looks more like faith.
	You and I have not done any experiments or studies or seen any scientific results.
	We trust that what the researchers tell us, and not even that, what the media tells us the researchers have found.
	We as a culture have come to believe that the scientists with their many educational degrees and arcane jargon that only the privileged few understand are the truth seekers and truth tellers.
	This has to be frustrating to scientists who truly do want to seek truth and who know how scientific inquiries should work, not by consensus or by adhering to belief system, but by being open to the possibility of your theories being proven wrong.
	And I think she's spot-on, and this is exactly what is happening, and I think people like DeGrasse Tyson know it's happening, and they're part of it.
	This cherry-picking language It really is equating science with religion.
	Yeah, and the fact of the matter...
	Oops.
	Whoops, okay.
	You know where that came from?
	It's because it's in my brain.
	You caught it.
	JC did some research on this, and fact of the matter and matter of fact have the same root, which was some joke usage, because facts do not have matter.
	Oh.
	And so when you say fact of the matter or matter of fact, it means nothing literally.
	It means the opposite of what you think it means.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's just the fact of the matter.
	So when you say the fact of the matter, that means the opposite of what you're going to say next.
	It means whatever you're going to say next is bull.
	Right.
	Well, anyway, the point is, is that, yeah, this was a great letter.
	I thought it was the letter of the month.
	It was, I nailed it.
	We didn't even think in those terms.
	And you can cherry pick.
	Because in many studies, there's like, this thing does this, this thing does this.
	And now we came along and we found it does this, it does that.
	You know, these studies, if they're not funded by some corporation with an end result in mind that you better achieve...
	Or you don't get your money.
	If it's a real study, you can get all kinds of contradictory information.
	You have to cherry pick certain things.
	And also, a GPS or cell phone or iPhone is engineering.
	It's not scientific breakthrough and discovery.
	It's engineering using knowledge.
	It's technology.
	It's not science.
	Then everything is science.
	Then I'm a scientist because I'm talking...
	It's food science.
	Yeah, food science, yes.
	I mean, the way the proteins act when you heat them up.
	It's not like I'm doing a study.
	I'm just cooking something to eat.
	This scientist, David Ropeik, R-O-P-E-I-K, in Scientific American, SIAM, wrote a piece about the verdict of these scientists...
	In Italy, who failed to communicate the earthquake in L'Aquila in 2009.
	So, a court in Italy has convicted six scientists to, I think, was it six or nine years of prison?
	Yeah, this is great.
	Well, here's what's great.
	This, I think, is a professor, I'm not sure what he is.
	He's saying, yes!
	Yes!
	We need to let all people who deny science or stop communication of science should be penalized and go to jail.
	And I'm thinking, yes, I totally agree, because all of those 97% who are all in when we finally find out that this was a big joke and a big lie, this bull crap that you've made up, you're all going to go to jail.
	And you don't have to go to jail.
	Just put you in the stockade.
	Just put you here on the town square.
	That'll be enough for me.
	That'd be great.
	That's not going to happen.
	We need to bring back the stockade.
	I'm already working on a bit on how that's going to come down.
	Oh, tell me.
	Just a bit.
	I have to do the bit.
	I can't tell you the bit.
	You'll be giving it away.
	No, but it's a good bit.
	That's a good bit.
	It's a good bit.
	It's an acting thing.
	I'm not in the mood to do it.
	I've got to think about it.
	I only have a couple more things.
	Wow, we're overdue.
	We've got to stop.
	But okay, a couple more things.
	I have one more thing.
	You've got a couple.
	Go for your couple.
	I'll just do my...
	I just want to play these...
	How lucky are you people that we just sit here and don't stop thinking about tomorrow?
	Time to take a hard break.
	That's right.
	News coming up.
	We've got some commercials to play.
	And oh, by the way, my Ferrari has to be picked up at the garage.
	So I'm out of here.
	See ya!
	Obama record on transparency on democracy now, but they still vote for the guy.
	Hmm.
	New figures show the Obama administration denied a record number of Freedom of Information Act requests last year, despite pledges of transparency.
	According to the Associated Press, the White House denied or partially censored 36% of FOIA requests.
	In a record 57% of cases, the administration cited grounds of national security.
	Upon first taking office, President Obama had vowed to make his administration, quote, the most open and transparent in history.
	Hillbots?
	Yeah!
	Ah!
	Really?
	And just last but not least, or it actually is least, you know the general that was busted for some sexual harassment thing?
	This is just an interesting report.
	I just want to make a quick comment on the general got plea deal for his sexual assault.
	I didn't realize this guy's a real sleazoid.
	Military prosecutors have agreed to drop sexual assault charges against Brigadier General Jeffrey Sinclair in return for a guilty plea on lesser offenses.
	The accuser, an army captain, testified Sinclair twice forced her to perform oral sex during the three-year affair in Afghanistan and threatened to murder her and her family if she told anyone.
	Exactly.
	Under his plea, Sinclair will admit to mistreatment but avoid charges that would have forced him to register as a sex offender if convicted.
	Okay.
	Heaven forbid.
	I mean, guy pees in the park.
	Sex offender.
	In Iowa, and he's a sex offender.
	We're having to take a leak.
	Oh, yeah.
	Anyway.
	My last one is kind of an obvious one, but it didn't kind of click until this morning, and I saw it, and I was like, oh, of course.
	It's a 99-fist story.
	You know, we have 99 fists in this country.
	It's 99 fists against the one fist.
	It's the 99% versus the 1%.
	Here's report number one.
	A national battle over inequality, the rich versus the rest of the population.
	That's really the clue here.
	What is this all about, this inequality?
	We keep hearing about inequality, the rich versus the poor, the 99% versus the 1%.
	Has taken a curious turn in the San Francisco Bay Area, where buses carrying high-tech workers have become a symbol of the divide.
	This is PBS, obviously, and I don't know why they're running the story, but oh yes, I do know why they're running the story again.
	Every weekday morning between 7.30 and 10, dozens of big, sleek buses roll down Valencia Street in the heart of San Francisco's traditionally Latino Mission District and other city thoroughfares.
	When they began rolling six or seven years ago, they were generally praised as an alternative to crowded highways and carbon emissions from cars.
	But that's not the issue, says writer Rebecca Solnit, one of the first to charge that the buses were more than a way to get to work.
	They're unmarked and with tinted windows, so you don't know who's inside.
	They're like a cross between a limousine and an armored personnel carrier cruising around the central city.
	Solnit and others say the buses are symbols of the disparity in wealth.
	Between the new tech workers and the long-time working-class residents of neighborhoods like The Mission.
	And she adds the influx of techies is gentrifying the city.
	So, this story's been around for a while, and we know that a lot of this has been trumped up.
	There's been activists who are doing this, no doubt, NGO, non-profits, a bunch of just provocateurs.
	There's just baggery everywhere.
	Yeah, well, it wasn't until this morning they figured out why this is happening.
	Do you have an idea?
	Have you a clue?
	Well, there's a couple of things I can see you going with this.
	One is that when they bring in the armored personnel in the buses, which they do in the buses...
	They won't notice it.
	Nobody will notice, and then the cops can run out like crazy, so that's always one possibility.
	The second thing which I note here...
	I'm sure that's not what you're going to talk about.
	You're talking about guys having to take the bus to work as the upper class?
	I don't think so.
	I don't care how fancy the bus is.
	Taking a bus to work is not like you're living a high life.
	Let's put it that way.
	Okay, but it's being positioned as living the high life.
	It's the 99% against the 1%.
	Yeah.
	And it's so obvious why this is being ratcheted up.
	Now, when I saw a spokeshole for the president, Dan Pfeiffer, on Chip Show.
	Cool luck.
	There's no question this is a tough map for Democrats.
	That's what happens when you win a lot of elections like we did in 2008.
	But the good news is that we have good candidates, and most importantly, we're on the right side of the issue that matters most to the public, jobs and the economy.
	Here's what the president's going to do.
	He is going to lay out the terms of the debate in this election.
	It's a choice between Democrats who support an agenda of opportunity for all, Republicans who support an agenda of opportunity for a few.
	There it is.
	1% Republicans who support an agenda for only the few, the rich.
	They're the 1%.
	That's it.
	That's the whole...
	Everybody in that bus, I guarantee if you took a poll, they're all Democrats.
	I know, but that's not important.
	No, I know.
	It's not important because it's all positioning and this is what the Democrats have been doing very well.
	This is what the guns thing is about, is to have women never ever vote for Republicans again.
	What was the other one?
	We had another one.
	Another...
	Yeah, we have two or three of them.
	We should put it on a wall.
	Yeah, we should write something down from time to time.
	Once in a while.
	It's just a thought.
	I put stuff like that in the newsletter.
	Nice newsletter, by the way.
	Keep that coming.
	Let's see.
	For Sunday, I will be talking about the single resolution mechanism that was just signed in EuroGitmo Nation land, which is essentially how the banks will be bailed out with your savings.
	That's why they call it something like single resolution mechanism, so you go like, oh, whatever.
	Whatever.
	Uh, well, let's see.
	Well, that's the main one I'm working on.
	I've got some Common Core stuff, obviously.
	And, um...
	No, I'd be excited to talk to you again, John.
	It's always fun.
	I think there'll be some more action in Ukraine, I suspect.
	You know, we're very negligent about Venezuela.
	Oh, yeah.
	Hold on.
	Let me check Fox News.
	For this investigation, Chef.
	Catherine, one of the possibilities they've told us is that one of these objects is a cargo container.
	There you go.
	Let's check CNN. The probability that it is the aircraft.
	There you go.
	Nailed it again.
	A double hit.
	Ladies and gentlemen, if that doesn't prove to you that the No Agenda show is what you should be listening to and supporting at dvorak.org slash NA, nothing will.
	That is horrible.
	We'll talk to you again on Sunday right here on No Agenda.
	Get out there!

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