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	One, two.
	Aight, give me another cue.
	Hit it.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, February 6, 2014.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 589.
	This is no agenda.
	Separating Ace of Spades from Ace of Hearts here at FEMA Region 6 in the Travis Heights hideout in Austin, Texas.
	Good morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from Northern Silicon Valley, where I count 11 episodes to go until show 600.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Craig Vaughn and Buzzkill.
	Wow, I've almost forgotten about show 600.
	And I'm still in my menu-reading voice, apparently.
	Okay.
	I'll try to snap out of it.
	Yeah, please do, because, you know, we have another episode of the best podcast in the universe to produce here for everybody.
	Exactly.
	You know, we were, we have a...
	Because Mickey has an art show coming up in a couple weeks here in Austin, there's a little social stuff we have to kind of do.
	You go to someone else's show.
	Basically, we're trolling for buyers.
	Schmooze.
	Schmooze.
	Trolling for buyers is what it's called.
	Let's go to this other art show, see if we meet anybody interesting.
	Can I invite them to the pre-pre-opening?
	Of course, again, the thing is, oh, and what do you do?
	This is a running gag on this show.
	Well, I think I have a new answer, which is just so much easier.
	You used to say legislative analyst and you got away with it.
	Yeah, government legislation analyst.
	But then I still have to talk to people and explain everything.
	You know?
	So I figured, why don't I just say I'm half of a comedy podcast duo.
	It's not quite true.
	Yes, it is.
	It's completely true.
	This is a comedy podcast.
	I'm half of the duo that hosts it.
	I think people go, oh, because everyone's heard of Marc Maron or, you know, it's one of these guys.
	Right?
	Isn't it Marc Maron?
	That's what I said, Marc Maron.
	I thought you said Martin.
	No, Marc Maron.
	Or, you know, whoever.
	Louis C.K. Corolla.
	Yeah, Adam Corolla.
	In fact, even better.
	Why don't I just say I'm Adam Corolla?
	You should just say I'm Adam Corolla.
	I'm Adam Corolla.
	What's your problem?
	You're half right.
	Exactly.
	Well, Slave Strong, everybody.
	This is episode 589 of the No Agenda Show.
	I just wanted to say that because someone sent it to me.
	I thought it sounded cool.
	Slave Strong.
	We've got San Francisco Strong going on around here and this other.
	This Strong thing is on my...
	I never liked it when Bruce Springsteen was doing it.
	Yeah.
	Well, of course, we had Jersey Strong with Sandy.
	We had Boston Strong with the bombing.
	And I think Slave Strong is just good for us.
	Slave Strong.
	Slave Strong, everybody.
	It's a possible title, man.
	Yeah.
	Somehow I think it might be misinterpreted by the SEO. Sleep strong.
	Yeah, actually it probably wouldn't work.
	But I do love these Thursday shows for...
	Really a specific reason.
	Monday is when a new week starts, obviously, and we have a lot of time to research stuff, and there's just a lot of time to really get into whatever I think I'm going to talk about.
	Let's put it that way.
	John and I never communicate at all about what we're coming to the table with.
	And I think that's probably one of the hardest things, is deciding what we're going to talk about, just to make it interesting.
	But it dawned on me that the Curry Dvorak Consulting Group, which I guess we joke about from time to time, but it really is quite real.
	And here's the example.
	So, of course, I was very interested in all this heroin business.
	Ah, yes.
	And as I'm watching the mainstream media, which is part of what we do to deconstruct it, I'm noticing a lot of really important questions that aren't being asked.
	Like, what is heroin?
	It's just a simple question.
	Oh, it's assumed.
	Yeah, or where does it come from?
	It's assumed.
	Yes, it's assumed, but when you...
	So I'm sitting here and I've got my three screens.
	Woo!
	But we really have...
	And this show has an enormous reach of experts across all fields that it is mind boggling.
	And that really, when you hire the Curry Dvorak Consulting Group, you get that as a part of the package.
	Do you know what I mean?
	You know, heroin began as a headache remedy.
	It sure did.
	And it was, of course, it's a derivative of...
	I think it was Bayer, as a matter of fact.
	Yes, it was.
	In fact, IG Proben, you know, the guys who made the Jew gas and Bayer, they did it together.
	And that came along with the invention of the hypodermic needle.
	And there's a great documentary.
	It's about an hour.
	I think it's a BBC documentary, which I have in the show notes.
	Wait a minute.
	Hold on a second.
	Now I was just thinking about it because I normally just let this stuff pass.
	But now I see why you get the kind of hate mail you get occasionally.
	The Jew gas.
	Did you understand what I'm talking about?
	I know what you meant.
	Krylon or whatever it's called.
	Zyklon B. Krylon is a thing from DuPont.
	Same thing.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, I don't care.
	Just send me whatever you want.
	Yeah, nobody cares.
	So I'm getting all this information about fentanyl.
	There's some other interesting drugs that we're going to talk about.
	And from all walks of life, from doctors, from addicts, from people who, for instance, I did not know this, but there is an acute shortage of fentanyl products at this moment in the pharmacies over-the-counter.
	Oh, just call Syria.
	Well, so this has been another part of the research, which is understanding the chemical warfare use of fentanyl, which, of course, famous example is, I think we talked about in the last show, is Russia.
	They used a version of, it's three dash metal fentanyl gas in that theater.
	And of course it killed a lot of people.
	Because what this stuff does, essentially, it just makes you stop, it puts you to sleep and then you stop breathing.
	You kind of forget how to breathe.
	But it's very interesting to see we have a surge of fentanyl.
	And of course I have a theory.
	But we have a surge of fentanyl being cut into heroin.
	While people who have actual necessity for the fentanyl patch or for the lollipop or even the injectable are having a hard time getting it, their prescription's filled.
	They have to wait 14 days sometimes.
	That's not good.
	You get the shakes.
	Well, the fentanyl is very necessary for people primarily who are taking cancer medication or just being eaten, who have pain, massive pain.
	Yeah.
	And all of this stuff is, if we kind of go back to the heroin start there, I don't think people really know about the heroin wars and how the two Scotsmen, I believe, started by essentially drugging all of China.
	And everyone in China was just completely whacked out on opium.
	And it was one of the big trades of the day between the empire and the Far East.
	Right, for tea.
	Yeah, it was being traded for tea.
	And probably a lot of it was, they must have been stealing so much.
	And at a certain point, I guess the ruler of Canton, and I'm paraphrasing all this.
	Go watch the documentary if you want to know exactly what happened.
	But he said, hold on a second.
	We've got to stop this crap.
	These guys are ruining our country.
	Millions of people were strung out on opium and just nothing was getting done.
	And then they said, well, we're going to stop these guys, and they tried to, and they said, okay, no more, no more, we're not going to import your opium anymore.
	And then the Brits came with the entire Royal Navy, slaughtered 30,000 Chinese, and said, yeah, oh no?
	Oh no?
	To hell!
	And they got millions in reparations, and the opium, so that was basically the first opium war.
	All the Chinese soldiers were too doped up to even really fight back.
	But then this stuff started to slowly get into the mainstream in the U.K., And that's when the derivative of opium morphine was first created.
	And then with the hypodermic needle, Along came heroin, which is really dimethyl morphine.
	So there's two molecules added to the morphine to get heroin.
	And initially they thought heroin would be a non-addictive form of morphine.
	And in this documentary you see where the women at the time, and now we're talking 1840, 1850 in the UK, they had these beautiful little silver syringe sets.
	You know, monogrammed and little cute petite things.
	Of course, women couldn't drink.
	They couldn't smoke in public at the time.
	And so they'd be at a dinner party or at the theater, and they'd just jab themselves in the leg with a nice little shot of heroin.
	And it was all the rage.
	Well, things become ragey, that's for sure.
	Hey, can you do me a favor?
	Yeah.
	And check and open up your call technical info because I'm getting a lot of received packet loss.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, this is an outrage.
	I'm missing out on a couple words here.
	It's not intolerable, but it's annoying.
	No, this is not okay.
	Let me see if I'm...
	Am I bopping bad packets?
	Well, these situations are...
	This heroin thing is becoming kind of a rage and we're starting to see packages floating around.
	I have one...
	I have no packet loss coming in or out.
	So, do you want me to just call you back?
	No, no, no.
	It's okay.
	It stopped.
	Right now, it's zero.
	It was going crazy for a while.
	Keep an eye on it.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, why don't we play this heroin story that I think pretty much summarizes what's going on everywhere.
	It's the heroin on Long Island.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Centers designed to help those with addictions say where they once saw a number of a hundred people in need of their help a month five years ago, they now see 700.
	It's become so bad, in fact, some public health advocates on Long Island call it a crisis.
	Dr.
	Jeffrey Reynolds with the Long Island Council for Alcoholism and Drug Dependence says in his 24 years in public health, he has never seen drug addiction numbers this bad.
	If you look at the overdose statistics on Long Island, they've continued to climb.
	At this point on Long Island, we lose about one person per day to a fatal overdose.
	And while today's focus is on Philip Seymour Hoffman, the actor, according to National CDC Statistics, was probably one of 100 people nationwide who died of a fatal overdose just yesterday.
	This is happening day in and day out.
	I think, you know, celebrities help raise the profile of the issue and help galvanize our attention.
	And it's probably the stigma that keeps Long Island's families who are struggling from telling this story time and time again.
	Another concern in recent years, tainted heroin.
	More of it out in the drug market, and obviously this is multiplying the risks associated with the drug's use.
	I'm Narmine Chowdhury, PIX11 News.
	Yeah, so a couple things about this.
	Unless you want to follow this clip up, I want to say a few things.
	Well, I just want to say that this report, I could have pulled it from San Francisco.
	I could have pulled it from L.A. Everyone was doing the same thing, yeah.
	Variants of fentanyl, there's a couple of ways you can make fentanyl.
	Fentanyl has been made for a hundred years.
	As long as...
	It's basically a synthetic opioid.
	And the Janssen company, which is now owned by Johnson& Johnson, they invented the Siegfried method of creating fentanyl, which apparently, if you have the precursor, which is PNN or something, which is a restricted chemical, if you have that, you can essentially make fentanyl in your living room.
	It's through the Siegfried method.
	It's not all...
	Which I think is kind of funny.
	They call it the Siegfried Method.
	But anyway.
	Yeah, where's Roy?
	Hey, everybody.
	Yes, he made a funny expression in the morning.
	But I do have a theory on what's happening here.
	First of all, the fentanyl mix, we had a very similar issue in 2006.
	For some reason, and I may think I have an idea, but no one was talking about this at all.
	I don't hear any news story referring to exactly this problem.
	It was almost as many heroin-fentanyl combo-related deaths in 2006 as we have right now.
	And at the time, what I can find, it's very difficult to search these things once you have an incident like an actor that dies.
	Right, it varies.
	Google watches it.
	Google watches it, essentially.
	I mean, you can do date ranges, and I have my own search engine.
	Which doesn't work.
	It's very hard, very hard.
	So eventually you come up with some answers, and apparently at the time, The fentanyl was being produced in a lab in Mexico and was being smuggled in and then cut in the United States.
	So I'm looking at this, and I'm putting all these things together.
	This kind of gets back to what I was talking about, the No Agenda, the Curry-Devorak Consulting Group, where we have all these people and all this information coming in.
	I was almost in real time and able to assemble...
	All the different pieces that kind of snap neatly into place.
	And the first thing, and I had to look this up, if you look at TV advertising dollars by the pharmaceutical industry, there's a significant reduction, particularly in cable news, of pharmaceutical advertising.
	A lot of the money has shifted to the web.
	And it's shifted in all these websites that give you, of course, you have the typical WebMD and you've got the Dr.
	Oz stuff.
	But a lot of this so-called education and a lot of it's going into online video, just a lot of that money is shifting.
	And, of course, they still buy their big branding opportunities.
	But when is the last time we even played an ad on this show?
	Because we like to laugh at them so much.
	I used to play them all the time.
	I had one lined up for a couple of shows ago.
	We never played it.
	But it's not common.
	I do see Ambien still advertising, but the amount of...
	Although I have to say this, one thing you don't do is watch the network news.
	I've specifically, in the past few days, did this to see what I could find.
	Well, all I know is from my experience, well, of course, I haven't watched it for weeks, but last time I watched it, which was a few weeks ago, almost all the ads were for people about to drop dead of something or other.
	Right.
	And there's lots of ads.
	What I did is I went to Advertising Age and I looked up the numbers of the ad buys.
	That is the closest I can get.
	To really seeing where the money is going.
	And one thing's for sure, very minimal money is going to cable news.
	And this is significant, because who was propagating this the most is all the cable news channels.
	Until the toothpaste bomb threats, my God, please, everything was all about heroin fentanyl, heroin fentanyl, heroin fentanyl.
	And I saw a fantastic...
	A piece on PBS, and this is one of those rare opportunities where you hear something, but you don't hear it until you're only listening to the audio and not watching the video.
	We have this happen to us all the time, where if you're not looking at the picture, and you're just listening to the words and the flow and the cadence, you actually hear what the person is really saying.
	And on this particular program, there are two people.
	I've cut this down to a couple of clips.
	One is Sam Quinones, and he is a reporter for the Los Angeles Times.
	I don't think he has necessarily any agenda with the things that he's saying, but the things that he's saying are very, from my research, very true.
	So he's in Los Angeles.
	In the studio in New York, they had our drug czar, Gil Kerlikowski.
	And when you listen to this guy speak, it is like he is actually, well, you tell me that this guy is not actually pitching the use of heroin.
	And it blew me away when I just listened to it while I was editing it down.
	There is no question we are seeing a resurgence of heroin.
	And seeing it where and in what kind of populations?
	Well, it's very different and two issues come up.
	One is, of course, if prescription drugs are more tightly regulated or less accessible or more expensive, people can turn to heroin because they're already addicted.
	They suffer the disease of addiction to these opioids.
	Heroin is less expensive.
	But there's a second part and that is that we see a group of young people Who are very naive and believe that heroin, used in certain ways, they won't become addicted.
	It's edgy, and what of course happens is it's incredibly dangerous.
	I did not hear him for one second say, don't do heroin.
	I hear him giving some facts and stating them so matter-of-factly, it almost sounds like, hey, you're addicted to prescription medicine.
	Well, you can always get heroin.
	It's readily available.
	It's cheaper.
	And kids, you know, this is edgy.
	And I'm like, wow, the guy is almost pitching it.
	He's not almost pitching it.
	He's pitching it.
	He's pitching it.
	Now let's go to...
	Let me just make sure.
	Here it is.
	Quinones.
	And listen to what he has to say.
	Because I think he's really giving us some good facts here that help us understand what is happening.
	And eventually I'm going to get to my...
	Theory of what I think is happening, which this fits into.
	All over the country, and I would say largely this is a white problem.
	I don't find opiate addiction too much in black or Latino populations.
	This is very different from the way heroin spread 40 years ago.
	This is pretty critical stuff.
	Oh, I'm just playing.
	In the 70s, where a lot of black and Latino communities were really badly hit, heroin today and prescription pill addiction today is almost entirely a white phenomenon.
	And it's in rural America.
	It's largely in suburban America.
	Places that have done fairly well, middle class, upper middle class areas.
	And it's in towns that really never had a problem with heroin before this.
	Charlotte, Salt Lake, Columbus, Cincinnati, Albuquerque, places like that where you just didn't really see it so much.
	Now it's become a very, very big problem and as Gil Keroukowski said, it's mostly related to the use of the gateway drug in all this are these prescription pills.
	I love what this guy is saying.
	He's really explaining the problem and he's going to get into the numbers Of where this is coming from, particularly when you know that these drugs are pretty much exactly the same.
	Explain that a little bit more, Sam.
	You start.
	Many of these prescription painkillers are virtually identical molecularly to heroin.
	Oxycodone is very, very similar, almost identical to heroin.
	The problem is that there's a...
	Notice how he said that twice?
	Yeah.
	Black market in these pills now, because they've been so widely prescribed, there was a revolution in medicine in the United States back in the 80s and 90s that said these pills are non-addictive ones prescribed to pain patients, chronic pain patients.
	So we had this kind of rising sea level.
	of pills all across the country.
	A very deep black market developed in which these pills now cost a dollar a milligram.
	Most of these pills come in 30, 40, 80 milligram doses.
	That means you're having to pay 30, 40, 80 bucks a pill and a lot of people getting addicted, their tolerance rises.
	They end up using Three, four, five of these pills.
	I've met people who had three, four hundred dollar a day addictions.
	Heroin comes in and it's a fifth to a tenth cheaper than that.
	And if you're already, a lot of these folks getting addicted to the pills have already begun injecting.
	And when they start injecting, it's kind of like they've crossed the Rubicon in a sense.
	And so heroin, injecting heroin, isn't that much different from injecting these pills.
	It just happens to be far cheaper.
	So there's what's really going on with this epidemic in the United States, certainly in the United States, but I think it's worldwide.
	And finally, someone asked the question, where is this stuff coming from?
	Which we believe is from...
	It has to be from Afghanistan.
	I'd also say the...
	Kind of the tell is this Ace of Spades stamp.
	You know, Ace of Spades and Ace of Hearts, these are very militaristic emblems and certainly found many units in Afghanistan.
	So that was just my...
	I don't have any proof of this, but I'm just thinking...
	We can let that slide.
	Get to your...
	You're teasing us a little too long here.
	What is this theory?
	You need to...
	You need to have some of the real information.
	You need the background.
	Okay.
	Well, okay.
	I'll skip this clip, and you'll never hear it.
	Well, don't get mad about it.
	It's just like I'm waiting for the punchline, and it's not coming very fast.
	All right.
	Here it is.
	Let's listen to Kanonis one more time.
	I'm sorry.
	Gerlachowski.
	With his messaging.
	Kids get plenty of pro-drug messages.
	We need to give them anti-drug messages, particularly around heroin, that work.
	Okay.
	What did he just say?
	Kids get plenty of pro-drug messages, which would be what you see on television, advertise what you see on the web about all these groovy drugs.
	What we need to do is create some anti-drug messaging around heroin.
	Let me just play that again and listen to it.
	Kids get plenty of pro-drug messages.
	We need to give them anti-drug messages, particularly around heroin, that work.
	So here's what I'm seeing.
	This is a war between the pharmaceutical industry and the illicit drug industry, whose pricing have dropped down now from around $15 to $20 just a couple years ago, now to $4 or $5.
	And the number one way to do that, if you want people to come back to your drug, is to make the competitor's drug look dangerous.
	And who has access to fentanyl?
	And especially since there seems to be a shortage...
	I'm thinking the pharmaceutical industry is at war, maybe even with just the media, who of course shill for the banks and the political whores, and that's where the heroin money runs.
	And maybe they want some of that money back, but because they haven't been advertising, they're not getting the exposure they want.
	I'm thinking it's very possible that this has been a spike by pharmaceutical industry.
	To scare people away from the heroin which kills you, back into the safer heroin, although it's more expensive, and just to prove their point, they say, fuck it, kill an actor.
	Which is what they always do when we really want to make a point.
	Well, they had, apparently 100 people are dying a day of overdoses, and every so often an actor gets involved.
	And the actor, I don't know if people have that much sympathy for, you know, the actors being rich and then killing themselves on heroin.
	With Philip Seymour Hoffman, there's nothing but sympathy.
	Yeah, I know what I'm saying, but I think, I don't know how much of it is actually such that it would affect the culture.
	I mean, it's just sympathy for, you know, we've had sympathy for Whitney Houston or whoever and all the rest of them that have dropped dead over the last...
	This is very specific as it now comes to light that he died of a mixture of heroin fentanyl, which is...
	No, no, that's been on and off.
	That last report was no.
	Okay, I have a different report here, but what is the New York Daily News?
	The Associated Press had the fentanyl one, and then it was rebutted by the New York Daily News, and then all the news outlets in New York say that it wasn't fentanyl.
	They just say it's still a problem.
	So I don't know.
	That could come back into play.
	There's something fishy about this.
	I'm going to think that was fentanyl.
	It's almost...
	It almost doesn't matter at this point because...
	I don't know why they, by the way, why they didn't...
	They had 60 bags or something, according to them.
	Whatever the case.
	But the news is very consistent.
	The news is you get hooked on the prescription pills, then you go to the cheaper heroin, and now it's killing you.
	No, that is the message.
	That's the message.
	And I think, particularly with the Affordable Care Act, maybe we're going to see some repricing or something's going to happen.
	But people need to get back on the regulated stuff.
	That seems to be the message that I'm hearing.
	That seems to be the message from Gil Kerlikowski.
	The message, though, that's actually coming through that I think the point you really originally made, I think, is a more valid one, which is that the real messaging is you can use heroin.
	It's cheaper.
	And then when the guy says, oh, oxycodone's the same as heroin, I mean, that seems like the wrong kind of messaging isn't going to work.
	No, no, no.
	That messaging is totally there, John.
	That is absolute.
	But I see two messages.
	I'm thinking the fentanyl is a message of a different sort.
	The fentanyl is the dangerous message.
	That's the dangerous message.
	Yeah, you can buy heroin on the street, but you might get fentanyl and be dead.
	Now check this out.
	This is the wonder drug Narcan, which is now being pushed.
	This is by prescription only.
	People want this over-the-counter.
	It's now going into the hands of police officers.
	EMT already have it.
	Vince Corvelli's son had overdosed on heroin.
	Woo!
	He was starting to turn blue.
	He wasn't breathing.
	He was gasping for breath.
	Paramedics were carrying the drug Naloxone, better known as Narcan.
	Five or so minutes, they came back and said he was awake and breathing.
	This person is actually waking up from the dead.
	It's our time for copies.
	Now, the drug that's long been used by paramedics and in emergency rooms is in the hands of police officers.
	And by the way, this package is highly produced.
	This is a pharmaceutical industry produced or at least paid for production package.
	This is not just your local news that just threw this together.
	This is good.
	Listen to all the sound effects.
	Cops who are often the first on the scene of medical calls.
	It's very surreal.
	It's literally the person is blue.
	Their lips are blue.
	They're not breathing.
	This individual did not have a heartbeat.
	Wake up!
	And they're up and they're talking.
	It's simply amazing.
	Death by heroin or painkillers.
	We're not going to arrest our way out of this epidemic of substance abuse.
	It's a disease, so we have to help the people.
	The Quincy Police Department's track record using Narcan is extraordinary.
	Its officers have administered it 221 times and reversed 211 overdoses in just over three years.
	This is kind of like the Pulp Fiction thing where he jabs the adrenaline needle in her chest and she comes back to life.
	That's literally what this is, except you spray it into someone's nose.
	And as they're dying of an overdosis, they come back to life.
	It completely nullifies the effects of heroin.
	How about this, for a thought?
	You've made a mountain out of a molehill, and all this is orchestrated by the company that makes Narcan, which is, by the way, should be a generic drug from the way I see it.
	Only one company makes it.
	Sankyo?
	Let me see.
	Naloxone, which is the drug itself, was developed by Sankyo in the 60s, which means that anyone can make it.
	But as far as I know, only one company actually makes it.
	It's marketed under various trademarks, including Narcan, Nalone, Narconti, which is three different drugs, which means three different countries and companies.
	I don't know if they're from...
	I had a...
	A note that said it was just one.
	But it could be.
	But when it's generic, there's not all that much money to be made.
	That's not true.
	The big drug companies are buying up all the generic companies and they're charging the same.
	For example, Provigil has gone generic.
	And if you go buy the generic version, it's the same price.
	Actually, it's a little more.
	All right.
	Well, this could be.
	That could be one part of it.
	It seems like this is the magical drug, and you see article after article now of people saying, oh, if only someone...
	Hoffman had had some Narcan and someone around, a buddy, a safety buddy.
	Well, if you look up Naxalone, you'll find on the web, everybody's talking about, oh, Ohio wants more, and all the rest of it.
	So this is a big deal, I think you've stumbled onto.
	I'm not sure that...
	The other aspect, which is, you know, I get people on oxycodone.
	Well, there's three aspects.
	I think there's much more to it.
	One is we have the heroin trade, which runs our banking industry, which runs so much.
	You know, that needs to be propagated, and so, you know, this is why we have this conversation ongoing, and all the dangerous talk gets people to do it more.
	But there is most definitely, led by the drug czar, a push to get people back.
	And it's all about education.
	And you heard that we can't arrest our way out of this.
	We can't make any laws.
	People have to understand.
	And the understanding will come in the form of, you need to take the good stuff.
	The only problem is who's going to pay for it.
	And then this Narcan pops up.
	And this was actually, I was tipped off for this by Chad, our fireman, EMT guy in Boulder.
	And he says, just wait.
	He says, just wait.
	Because he's had this in his pack for a long time.
	He helps put out fires, but most of the time he's dealing with morons.
	What is the cost of this stuff?
	$20.
	$20?
	Yeah.
	That's a good deal.
	You want to hear what Chad had to say about Narcan?
	Sure.
	I sent this video to him.
	He said, ha, if only Narcan were so simple.
	It's a pretty amazing drug.
	So he uses this on people who are ODing.
	It really does turn people back on pretty much instantly.
	Of course, when people get bounced back that hard with Narcan, they almost always puke and are generally pissed and sometimes go into immediate withdrawal, which can include seizures.
	Not fun.
	I generally administer the absolute minimum dose to keep them breathing.
	Of course, I can monitor things like blood oxygen levels and exhaled end tidal CO2, which is helpful.
	The sedated junkie is so much easier and safer to manage than the full power junkie.
	Also, the half-life of Narcan is usually much less than most opiates.
	This means that people wake up, the Narcan wears off, and then the opiates, before the opiates do, and then they go back to being, to overdosing.
	Of course, things get more complicated with a polypharm overdose.
	The meth-heroin combo is fairly common.
	I'm learning stuff I never thought I'd ever know.
	In the case of the meth head who freaks out and needs to come down right fucking now, he may choose to medicate his whacked-out meth mind with whatever available central nervous system depressant he has handy.
	heroin's very good at this it's cheap and prolific so the meth head shoots heroin to come down and goes nighty night starts to od then when joe jingle ass paramedic gets called because meth man turned blue and hits him with the full monty dose of narcan the meth head awakens completely redecorates the back of the ambulance with vomit exorcist exorcist style and because the meth is still active under all the heroin becomes the incredible hulk Thank you.
	He says, when you're puke-wrestling the Incredible Hulk all by yourself in the back of a six-by-eight-foot box, this is not so much fun.
	I prefer the sedated junkie.
	So there's a lot going on.
	So you have to strap these guys down, apparently.
	Big time, yes.
	Well, of course, because the Narcan does away with the heroin overdose, but then the meth comes back and they become insane.
	Yeah, no, this doesn't sound good.
	People got to stop using these stupid drugs.
	They're idiotics.
	The heroin's just not a good drug.
	Well, and meth is?
	so you know it's I find there's definitely something going on I have two clips.
	I don't know where it applies on this, but these drug companies are up to something.
	Because these are two produced clips that came in as packages.
	And to me, it's part of the war on generics.
	And we've talked about this before.
	There's two wars going on by these drug companies.
	One is the generics.
	Like I said, they buy the companies up and then they charge the same price for the generic drug to screw the customer.
	Right.
	And then there's the, let's see, there's another, you have this other war going on.
	But let's play this war on generics part one.
	Synthetic hormone drospirinone, used in Yaz and the generics that followed, is associated with double the risk of blood clotting when compared to earlier oral contraceptive formulas.
	However, doctors note that the risk with any oral contraceptive is still much lower than the clotting risks associated with pregnancy.
	But what the Alexanders discovered next affects more than just women.
	If you're taking a brand name drug, you can sue the manufacturer for problems with side effects and death.
	But she was on a generic drug, so we have no recourse.
	In 1992, the FDA started requiring generic drug labels match the brand name versions.
	The goal?
	Assure doctors generics were equivalent to brand names.
	But since then, a series of Supreme Court cases has led to sweeping protections for the makers of generic drugs.
	Including Pleva v.
	Mensene, where the court ruled you can't hold generic drug manufacturers liable for failing to warn consumers of risk because the generic label is a copy of the brand name, as required by the FDA. Right now the law is in a state of chaos where no consumer has any rights at all directly against a generic pharmaceutical company.
	And we're all scratching our heads trying to figure out what to do with it.
	Now generics account for 80% of all prescriptions, and the FDA is considering a rule change.
	It would allow generic manufacturers to update labels independent of brand name counterparts.
	Family planning expert Dr.
	Michael Policar says that would help inform consumers about risks sooner.
	But in the meantime, women need to consider all birth control options.
	What a bonanza.
	These guys already had it for the vaccines where you can't sue them if you die or get anything from a vaccination.
	And now they buy up the generics and you just can't sue anybody because it's just some generic thing?
	Yeah, but they still would like you to buy the brand names, or at least associate, because when you look at the part two of this, you get the full impact.
	There are both other methods that are more effective and safer, for example, like intrauterine devices and implants, and then there are 50 different oral contraceptive pills on the market as well.
	Generic manufacturers are fighting changes and ask the FDA to take more time considering them in this letter.
	The changes as proposed will have far-reaching consequences affecting patient safety as well as health care costs.
	But that argument isn't enough for Jane and Michael Alexander, who are holding out hope for change.
	It's too late for us.
	It's too late for Lauren.
	But it's not too late for other people who are harmed by generic drugs.
	Harmed?
	Harmed, yeah.
	So they had these people come in and say, you're harmed by generic drugs.
	Now, what you said is very interesting because, first of all, the report, why would the generic drug companies want to change anything if they're off the hook for everything?
	So something's bogus about that logic.
	Yeah.
	It seems to me I'm off the hook for everything.
	I don't want to change anything.
	I'm not going to get involved.
	Well, maybe it's just the flexibility if they need to add something.
	There's something, yeah, but it's these big drug companies that are the ones that are buying up all these generic companies.
	And so I think your first assertion, which is that let's move this to generic, charge the same amount of money.
	Ah, ah, ah, ah.
	And take ourselves right out of the legal implications.
	Right.
	Interesting.
	And by the way, I think this war on generics may not really be a war on generics at all.
	It may be a fake war.
	And the war on compounding is the other one that's going on.
	Insurance no longer covers compounding.
	So there's something phony about all this stuff, and it all leads to the big pharma companies.
	And I say your report does too.
	Of course it does, yes.
	But it's like Big Pharma wants, but you know, I don't know, it maybe has something to do with the advertising, but something's going on because this is a lot of, just a lot of smokescreen it seems to me for all kinds of, somebody in the drug business must know.
	Somebody got a memo somewhere.
	And they've got to send us a copy of it.
	But the fentanyl thing is so weird that this happened in 2006.
	They said it came from Mexico.
	But now we have actual users of fentanyl who can't get it.
	The refilling the prescription takes up to two weeks.
	And this is from producers who have emailed me directly.
	And I really looked for the Syria chemical weapons connection.
	It's very hard, although metal fentanyl, of course, would come from Russia, and experts disagree whether that was used in Syria, so there's no hard evidence that it was used.
	There's a lot of indications it would make sense for Russian weaponry.
	The Russians supply the Syrians with all their weaponry, so why wouldn't they?
	We have also used fentanyl gas in Iraq.
	And this was, there was a big, I think it was the Sunshine Report or something.
	I have it in the show notes somewhere.
	This was a Rumsfeld thing.
	Rumsfeld really wanted fentanyl gas to be legalized and to run outside of the chemical weapons treaties because he said, well, it's not really a chemical weapon, it's an incapacitor.
	Of course, unfortunately, when you get incapacitated, you can't breathe and you die.
	But there was this big, big...
	Details.
	For him, yeah.
	Annoyingly small detail.
	What was it called?
	It was called the...
	And a lot of this has really been removed from the record and Google-washed, and you can't find any of this anymore.
	But in Iraq, there are accounts of American-made fentanyl gas being sprayed from helicopters onto citizens.
	And basically, you puke and you stop breathing and you die.
	So why this is happening now, it may just be coincidental that maybe there was a lot of fentanyl all of a sudden showing up on the marketplace, which is what we surmised a little bit on the last show.
	But I'm thinking this is coming from somewhere else.
	People are crazy about the fentanyl.
	Chad told me that he's witnessed people who had stolen the patches would roll up the patch and try to smoke the patch directly, just to roll the patch.
	What is wrong with everybody?
	Well, now this is another point.
	People keep talking about it being a sickness, this addiction to heroin and heroin opioids.
	But really...
	The way I understand how it happens, and I'm going to be able to talk to the brain professor tomorrow night.
	We have another one of our Obama bot dinners.
	Oh, good.
	What happens is the opioid comes into the brain, hijacks your neuroreceptor pleasure center, and basically ruins it so your brain only really responds to happiness coming from the opioids, no longer from your natural...
	Meth has a similar effect of ruining your brain so you can't enjoy things.
	Right.
	So is that a sickness?
	Well, it's not a disease.
	It's not airborne.
	Is it a sickness?
	It's a syndrome, I'd think.
	But it's a self-inflicted syndrome.
	Yeah, well...
	You can chop off your arm and you wouldn't have an arm.
	No, but that's what I mean.
	We just get this constant, oh, it's so sad.
	He has this sickness.
	I'm not so sure about all that.
	Well, if the effect is permanent, which it is with meth, supposedly...
	Where you actually ruin your pleasure center.
	Yeah, then it's a condition.
	But it's not like...
	Yeah, it's a condition.
	It's a brain damage.
	You just essentially, okay, here it is.
	Why don't you just hit yourself in the head with a hammer and see what happens.
	Or get a concussion or two.
	It sounds like it causes brain damage.
	Right.
	But then what happens is people get this brain damage from the legally prescribed pharmaceutical versions...
	Now, the whole thing that you overlooked in this is another kind of an argument that's going around.
	It began on sports channels, and it was a special done on real sports with Brian Gumbel.
	That's probably why I overlooked it.
	Yeah, well, you're overlooking some interesting stuff because there's a huge movement among the football players to get the NFL to legalize marijuana.
	No, no, no.
	We've talked about this.
	Yes, I know.
	But you didn't bring this up because there's a couple aspects we didn't talk about, which is that...
	Well, I don't know.
	They all dope it, and they don't see it being a problem.
	But I'm not hearing this conversation in the lexicon.
	I'm not either, and I'm wondering why we have these parallel debates going on with no conclusion, because...
	This again to me would indicate that maybe they're trying...
	Here, how about this for an idea?
	The marijuana thing is huge.
	It's taking over the place in terms of what's going on culturally.
	Right.
	It's going to be legal everywhere eventually, but nobody wants that.
	This is a huge threat to the industry because if what the football players say is true, all these anti-pain medications could be wiped out by something and grow in your backyard.
	Right.
	It's possible that trying to draw attention to the other side of this debate keep marijuana completely out of the argument because there was not one thing in the entire research you did just now or anything I've heard where the heroin issue and marijuana is brought up.
	The gateway drug is no longer marijuana.
	It used to be.
	Everybody knows the gateway drug is Facebook.
	This is obvious now.
	I'm not kidding either.
	Well, seriously, Facebook messes with your brain.
	It's like, let me show everybody that I'm not a total loser, and please like me, like me, like me, like me.
	This is not healthy.
	This is very unhealthy behavior.
	You just jumped, I don't know what, you didn't jump a shark, you jumped a chasm of some sort, you brought Facebook into it.
	I'm just telling you that I believe that Facebook is a gateway drug.
	That's all.
	We can go back to marijuana.
	How about this?
	What if the idea is...
	So we have the parallel of the legal heroin and the illegal heroin.
	In both cases, they're not good because they permanently damage your pleasure center, your receptors.
	But in unsupervised use, you die.
	How about we go to pharmaceutically produced marijuana?
	I think a lot of people would be very into that idea that, okay, no matter what I do, whether I grow it, whether I drink it, smoke it, put it in my butt, I'm not going to OD from it.
	But it's probably better if I have the pharmaceutical industry make it for me and measure it properly.
	I think that boat's already sailed.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	There's a lot of money to be made.
	I mean, have you been to one of these dispensaries?
	No.
	No.
	No, I go to the corner like normal people.
	It's like they have...
	Hey, man!
	Got a dime bag for me?
	Those days are over.
	Oh, really?
	It's a dime bag.
	I used to do Silk Road until they got rid of it.
	I'm afraid to do it now.
	So what did you order?
	I don't.
	I don't order it.
	When you order some, what did you get?
	I'm not telling you.
	I'm not going to incriminate myself.
	Oreos are just as addictive as cocaine.
	There you go.
	I ordered Oreos.
	Well, you're right.
	There's something about, well, I don't know, but here's your coincidence.
	Ten-year anniversary of Facebook, massive amounts of heroin use.
	I'm just pointing out...
	There's no coincidence.
	I'm pointing out the obvious here.
	I think, Matt, I'm not making this up.
	I see people going into very weird modes because of Facebook.
	Of course, there's all kinds of dopey, stupid surveys.
	Well, you're not on Facebook.
	I check this thing out regularly at least two or three times a week.
	And I can feel it.
	John, come on, admit it.
	Admit it.
	You'd go more than that.
	No, I do not.
	Absolutely not.
	I don't.
	I can't.
	It makes me unhappy.
	It's just like watching television.
	Although, when I was watching the Super Bowl, of course, I got pretty happy.
	Because, you know, like, my prediction came true.
	You're the better predictor of the two of us.
	No, I have to be honest with you, though.
	There's something I didn't tell you.
	What, you knew the game was rigged?
	Well, the game is rigged.
	That's why it's easy for us to guess it or to...
	To predict who's going to win.
	Because, yeah, of course.
	Please.
	Did you see that first snap?
	Come on.
	Oh, come on.
	Well, here's what's interesting about that first snap I found out.
	Is there was actually a...
	I think it was an 8-1, but it was something like 50-1.
	There was an 8-1 bet that you could get in Vegas that said there'll be a safety in the game.
	Oh, well, hello.
	And every game has a safety.
	But wait!
	There was a 50-1, I think it was 50-1, and somebody pointed out that those odds seem actually kind of low for this bet, which was, will there be a safety on the first play of the game?
	That must have been more than 50-1.
	No, that's the point.
	No, the point is, wait, wait, hear this out.
	The reason it wasn't as high as it should have been, which seems to me to be 10,000-1, is because they knew.
	Everybody knew it.
	Everybody was in.
	They were all in and the odds came way down.
	Oh, is there a way to get a chart of these odds to see if the odds...
	You can watch odds change, but you'd have to chart it yourself.
	Yeah, you'd have to chart it, right.
	Oh, well, of course.
	So besides that it's rigged, I told you I had a feeling...
	I also named the Pope.
	I'm a time traveler.
	Come on, come on.
	I'm a time traveler.
	Yeah, you might be.
	You have no proof that you're not.
	You know what Mickey said?
	Buy a lottery ticket, douchebag.
	Yeah, I agree with Mickey.
	Buy a lottery ticket.
	Really, you want to show me you're a time traveler?
	Buy a lottery ticket.
	Say what, bitch?
	Exactly.
	Anyway, go on with how you got this information.
	No, there's no way I got it.
	I told you I felt it.
	I tried to shoehorn it in.
	I came up with the Boeing angle.
	You didn't like it.
	People say, by the way, the marijuana laws do not kick in until April in Washington State, apparently.
	Yeah.
	So there was that difference.
	There's another one that we completely overlooked because we are so incredibly colorblind on this show.
	This was a black quarterback versus a white quarterback.
	You know, there's that.
	I didn't think of that until someone pointed it out.
	I never heard of it.
	I was like, well, whatever.
	Young guy versus old guy, rich guy versus not so rich guy.
	I think Windows 8 really is the main issue that Seattle needed to win.
	Windows 8, that explains everything.
	That's funny because there was an 8 in the score.
	43 to 8.
	But just tell me you were sitting there going, fucker, fucker, fucker, fucker.
	No, when I saw the first play, that safety, I said, that's it.
	This game, you might as well just, it's over.
	I didn't realize that the Denver team was going to be such nervous wrecks.
	And then it just got worse and worse and worse.
	And it just became obvious that if they played up to any kind of potential, there was no comparison.
	The Denver team was just incompetent.
	And they said all the records this year was a setup for the betting public.
	Well, my favorite of everything, of course, you know, we had all the security and we had the snipers and it was a level one national security event, yet no problem for a 9-11 truther to just roll up on stage and, you know, hop on the bus, get through everything with some bogative pass that he had from, you know, like a Milli Vanilli concert.
	And it comes right in.
	You never think about being MVP. Investigate 9-11.
	9-11 was perpetrated by people within our own government.
	Now, what kind of security is that?
	That's not very good.
	What kind of security?
	No one is going like, oh, how did that happen?
	Gee, oh, I'm sorry.
	The minute the game ends, it's no longer a security threat, apparently.
	While tens of thousands of people are still waiting to get onto New Jersey Transit, So I guess the snipers went home.
	It's just all done at that point.
	We don't have any more checks.
	Yeah, they should have picked him off right there.
	Yeah, where was the red dot on his head?
	It makes me so mad that no one picks that up and says, uh, hello.
	All of that talk about the, you know, the airstrikes and the ring of steel zones, all this stuff.
	No, no, no, nothing happened.
	No, no, it's okay.
	Could have been a terrorist.
	So people can get in.
	We'll look at the Sochi thing.
	Well, before we do that...
	No, not before we do that.
	Just say, what else did you have to say there, Adam?
	I wanted to say, thank you for your courage and in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
	And in the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	Yeah.
	And in the morning, all ships and sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there, and we have quite a few of them.
	We do, and thank you to our human resources in the chat room, noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net.
	Thanks for being there, hanging out with us today.
	Thank you to our artists.
	Thank you, Patrick Baus, for the artwork on episode 588.
	Noagendaartgenerator.com is where you can find all of the submissions.
	We use them for our newsletters.
	We use them for...
	Yeah, for just pretty things to look at.
	Sometimes they wind up on t-shirts.
	I put one on the wall every once in a while.
	Exactly.
	And we have our trademark patented value for value model, which means we don't take any advertising money if you actually like the value that we're giving you from the research we do from the...
	So apparently other people are using the term value for value.
	Yeah, that's cool.
	I think it's cool.
	A lot of people picked up on this.
	I think we can safely say we coined it.
	So here's the crazy thing.
	So you have a value-for-value model, yet people are doing this through a third-party company who's taking a total of 8% away from your value-for-value and shoving you down into a big group of people.
	This is the whole point, is we need to get away from these networks.
	I like the idea...
	Oh, you're not talking about PayPal.
	No, no, no.
	I'm talking about the...
	What's the...
	Oh, Patroni.
	Patreon or whatever it's called?
	Yeah, Patroni.
	Yeah, Patroni.
	Patreon.
	The idea is right, but again, people are working for tips.
	I hate it when you say that, or a dollar per episode.
	Really?
	A dollar per episode?
	That's not value for value.
	That's, you know...
	Not when the episode's longer than Star Trek's movie.
	Well, or filled with better content.
	How about that?
	Yeah, you actually learn something.
	It's like going to a seminar.
	A webinar.
	A webinar.
	This is our webinar.
	Yes.
	It's worth more than a dollar.
	Well, let's thank a few people who know it's worth more than a dollar and actually gave us more than a dollar.
	Our executive and associate executive producers, beginning with Sir Rick Bressler in Arlington, Washington, who came in with 34543...
	And he did that because he's making his...
	He said, I could be a baronet, but I think I'm going to give my wife, Becky, a knighthood.
	And he sent a note in.
	I'll read.
	By my accounting, and he talks about his accounting, he's reached his second knighthood.
	My wife has been a little jealous of my knight ring.
	And he did seal the envelope with the wax.
	Ah, nice.
	So instead of changing my status to baronet, I'll take a chance on getting lucky tonight and ask you to bestow damehood on Dame Becky with all the rights and privileges thereof.
	Now, she may choose for Rent Boys and Chardonnay tonight, so I'm not sure you...
	I don't think so if you listen to this.
	Oh.
	He said, and I don't know if I should even read this, but I'll do it anyway.
	I'd rather have my testicles nibbled off.
	Oh, no, I'm saying this is different.
	It's different than what I thought.
	He said he'd rather have them nibble off by enraged fire ants than use PayPal.
	So donations have taken the form of checks, direct bank transfer, which he did back in...
	I guess it was last year.
	I don't know if we ever credited him for that.
	Anyway, because people have to tell us when they get the bank transfer.
	Because they don't send me a memo.
	Anyway, the donation 6969 may be a bit more work for you than taking credit cards online.
	Not too much more work.
	But at least PayPal doesn't steal the money.
	I will follow up...
	On the rings.
	No Agenda Nation slash rings for the rings.
	And by the way, a lot of people are always complaining about PayPal being in the middle.
	Yeah, they take a percentage like a credit card does.
	We're okay with that.
	They provide a service.
	And a record.
	They do good record keeping.
	Yeah, so people are like, fuck PayPal.
	Yeah.
	You know, if you can do checks, great.
	We also accept checks from Canada.
	People always want to know.
	We'll accept checks from anywhere.
	Anywhere.
	You can take a foreign currency check and take it over to the bank, Bank Mechanics Bank in this case, and you send it through what's called collections.
	It's not like a collection agency.
	It's just called collections, and the bank takes the check.
	And then they go through some rigmarole.
	It takes about two weeks.
	But the money eventually shows up in the account after they have to send it to foreign currency exchange and all the rest.
	But it's called clay.
	So you could send us a check in Hong Kong dollars.
	And it will be...
	And they don't take a big chunk of this.
	It's just a couple of points.
	And you're in business.
	What they don't do, our bank, is wire transfers.
	They get a hemorrhage if you ask them for that.
	If you want to do one.
	No, an incoming wire transfer.
	We get quite a few.
	I think they charge us a lot for that, John.
	You want to look into that.
	No, it's very expensive.
	Yeah.
	It's not worth it for anything under $500.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, there are apparently some banks that have almost no fees for wire transfers.
	But our bank, for whatever reason, we have theories, don't like doing them.
	They do them, though.
	Hey, they like dealing in cash.
	What can I tell you?
	It's a cash business.
	It's a cash business.
	We like the checks.
	It's lovely.
	We also want to...
	Anyway, Rick will be the executive producer along with Shane O'Hare from Wasilla, Alaska.
	You know where that is.
	It's right there by Russia.
	Oh, my God.
	33333 in the morning, John and Adam.
	I was listening to the exceptional Sunday show and suddenly the lights in my bedroom went out.
	I went down to the breaker box and saw that fuse number 33 had been flipped.
	I knew this was a sign I had to donate.
	Your live analysis of the bad heroin was next level.
	And hearing John say, bitch.
	Say what, bitch?
	This is like flame, okay?
	Made me audibly laugh.
	I should be about halfway to a knighthood now, and when I finally hit it, I request to be Night Watcher of Russia.
	Huh?
	Huh?
	All right.
	I can easily keep an eye out on it from my house here.
	The Night Watcher of Russia.
	All right.
	Wasilla.
	If possible, I'd like to give a plug for the site I wrote for, or I write for, geekscape.net.
	It's all about movies, video games, comics, and more.
	We're truly an independent group of nerds, and we have our first movie premiering at South by Southwest.
	That means Adam has to go see this movie.
	Oh, get me a pass for Doc of the Dead.
	Doc of the Dead.
	Nice.
	It's all about rabbit fans of zombies and features interviews with legends from genre such as George Romero and Simon Pegg.
	Also, a shout-out to Royce Kokami and MegaBuzz64, Mega64Boys.
	Thank you guys for doing the show week after week.
	It helps me stay sane.
	I'm constantly hitting people in the mouth.
	Can I get a mac and cheese karma shot?
	Absolutely.
	You slaves can get used to mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	Macaroni and cheese.
	Cheddar melted together.
	Mac and cheese.
	You've got karma.
	Anyway, onwards, then we go to our associate executive producers.
	I'm going to have to look up.
	I don't think he has a note.
	Let's see if you can find Sterko, if Sterko sent in an email.
	Nicholas Michelli in Albany, New York, $271.82.
	Hi, John and Adam.
	Here's a donation modeled after another magic number out there, 271.82.
	I have nothing from Sterko.
	271.82.
	Why don't you look that number up?
	I'm an electric engineer.
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	I value my education immensely both from school and the best podcast in the universe.
	You want some karma to all listeners and people with purpose.
	Cheers!
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	Well, you're giving me commands like, find this note.
	Look up this number.
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	Do a handstand.
	Dance, monkey boy.
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	There's nothing from Sturko.
	I have nothing from Sturko.
	I got nothing either.
	Sometimes.
	Okay, well, thank you, Dennis.
	Sterko, 250 bucks from Seaside Park, New Jersey.
	Benjamin...
	We've done this before.
	Yeah, I know, I know.
	I know, and I can do it.
	Vermooyi.
	Not even close.
	Vernoyi.
	Vermoy, that's what I meant.
	Yeah, I'm pretty close.
	Benjamin Vermoy in Mepple.
	Correct.
	$235.
	He's in Holland.
	He's in Mepple.
	I think you can figure that out.
	Requesting a shot at karma for my brother.
	Sir Adrian, who got me listening to the best podcast in the universe, and he's propagating the formula.
	Yeah, we knighted Adrian on the previous episode, so it stays in the family.
	That's beautiful.
	You've got karma.
	Thank you, gentlemen.
	Eric Brown, 2-12-12 in Felton, California.
	He needs a fuck cancer for his wonderful mother-in-law, and a birthday shout-out for my twins.
	We have them on the list, Naomi and Noah, who turned six.
	Moreover, thanks for the analysis and entertainment.
	Stop!
	You've got karma.
	In Wilmington, Delaware, 208.
	I think he wants to pronounce gaze, I believe.
	Gaze?
	I think so, yeah.
	G-A-Z-E. But it was gaze.
	I think it's gaze.
	Okay.
	I'll never get that.
	No.
	I'll try.
	But you can correct me.
	This will finish off my knighthood.
	208.
	For my birthday, February 8th, okay.
	I can't thank the best podcast in the universe enough for helping me pass the hours traveling for work and, more importantly, getting me to avoid those body scanners.
	Can I get an F cancer, another one, and karma shot for those fighting their battle with cancer, especially the heroes of the Be Positive Foundation?
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	Look like Andrew.org.
	Stop it!
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	Barry Kroger in Greeley, Colorado.
	$200.
	He wants karma for the family.
	A lot of karma to request today.
	You've got karma.
	And finally, our last associate executive producer.
	We have seven today, which is a good deal.
	Michael Miller in Tiburon, California.
	Hey, Michael, I can wave to him from here.
	He wants a project completion rollout karma.
	Sure.
	I hope it gets done.
	You've got karma.
	I think it's finished.
	I don't know if it's finished or if he wants it to be finished.
	When we're done with this little segment, I want to play the cancer spike clip because there's something weird going on and I want to discuss that.
	I will take a crackpot position here, which I normally don't do.
	Well, I'd like to thank everyone who weighed in today with their financial resources for this program.
	You are hereby credited with either an executive producer or associate executive producer.
	What are you clicking?
	I've heard this for the past couple episodes.
	You're clicking something.
	I have.
	I'll tell you after the show.
	Could you just stop it then?
	When it makes that noise, I can't predict it.
	You can't help yourself?
	It's unpredictable.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So, thank you, everybody.
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	Okay.
	6969dudes?
	Yeah.
	6969dudes.com.
	Oh, okay.
	I get it.
	But maybe even better, after we played that clip from the douchebag of Unilever at Davos...
	Paul Ballardin says, Good day, gentlemen.
	Thank you for your courage.
	Thought you may like to see the following website, which was discussed in episode 586, now forwarding to the noagendershow.com, futureawesome.org.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	I like that name.
	Yeah, futureawesome.org.
	That is who we are.
	That's what we're all about.
	Well, yeah, especially you.
	What do you mean?
	You came from the future.
	Ah, there you go.
	Thank you all, everybody, and continue to go out and propagate the formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Shut up, slave.
	Shut up, slave.
	All right, cancer.
	Thank you.
	Oh yeah, this is an interesting clip because we notice a lot of these F-cancer call-outs in our show.
	And just play this clip and give this a listen.
	A stark warning from the World Health Organization, cancer rates are set to soar over the next two decades.
	We're seeing a very rapid increase in the numbers of cancers worldwide, but particularly in the low and middle income countries.
	The factors were living longer, we're more obese and drinking to excess.
	There are things that people can do and in particular what we want is to get out a message out there that you can prevent cancer.
	Okay.
	Your thoughts, Mr.
	Devorak?
	There was a special, you know, this is something you should be talking about.
	I don't know why I'm doing it.
	But there was a special on Free Speech TV. It was a documentary about electromagnetic issues and cancer, increasing cancers.
	And they went from one repressed report to another.
	That weren't funded by the telecommunications business, which clearly show that overuse of these cell phones and Wi-Fi all over the place is causing problems.
	And they think it may be interfering with sleep patterns.
	I don't see why this would have to be so crackpotty.
	I think this is, in fact, 4G specifically has been mentioned as a huge culprit and instigator of cancers.
	But I also have to say, just look at what people are putting in their faces.
	People are not living healthy, and they said the low- to middle-income countries, which were essentially, what are we pushing there?
	Coca-Cola and hamburgers.
	It's not like we're sending kale to Africa.
	You know what I mean?
	I hadn't heard that.
	Yeah.
	That's where it belongs.
	Yes, I agree.
	Send all kale to Africa.
	Send the kale to Africa.
	I agree.
	I have collected kale recipes.
	I want to remind people to send an email to johnatdvorak.org with the subject line, kale, and submit your original and passed down recipes.
	Of course, I did see this report at the World Health Organization.
	Actually, the headline of that report says, you know, cancers to double by 2030, which was, you know, of course, I love that.
	So that's going on the 2030club.com website.
	I think we stumbled onto something.
	Well, you know, whenever people show up with jingles, then you know that we're on to something.
	That metal sound is perfect.
	It's the 2030 Omnipocalypse, which I think is good because it's like an omnibus bill.
	It's an omnipocalypse.
	It's going to be everything.
	Cancer.
	We should just have this segment.
	The 2030 Omnipocalypse.
	Thank you, John Fletcher, by the way, for cutting that.
	Omnipocalypse.
	I think it's O-M-N-I-P-O-C-L-Y-P-S-E. Shouldn't it be C-Y-L-Y? You're asking the Dutch guy?
	I'll figure it out.
	Yeah, it's good to be possible.
	20, 30, on the apocalypse.
	Well, that's good.
	That's a start.
	What?
	It's like metal.
	You can't understand a word of it.
	But you put it in the newsletter, which is good.
	You put the 2030...
	We have a link now on the donation page for 2030.
	The $20.30 donation.
	Very good.
	You become a member of the End of the World Club.
	And I was very surprised that you put kittens back in the newsletter instead of puppies.
	I saw that kitten pick.
	If you think about the way that letter was formatted, first I told the producers that we didn't get much in the way of support on the Sunday show, and so I had a kitten looking forlornly at an empty bowl.
	I was surprised mainly because the Super Bowl actually had switched to puppies.
	No, they always had the puppy bowl.
	They never had a kitten bowl.
	Oh, well, maybe.
	I'm just talking about the commercials.
	I saw Budweiser with puppies.
	Oh, yeah, puppies.
	Puppies everywhere.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it was puppy week.
	Maybe when they have puppies, then one team wins and kittens indicate the other.
	It could be.
	Now I'm going to look into it.
	And by the way...
	How...
	You've mentioned this many times because you watch games.
	I watch one game a year, and that's the Super Bowl.
	Which is probably the best game to watch, although this was a...
	Not if you want a real football game, but it was a fun game to watch.
	The militarism.
	The militaristic name.
	I mean, Bruno Mars, halfway through his song, then the cutting away to people in Afghanistan and, hey, can't wait to come home.
	And I am the...
	I spent four hours with Sergeant Fred here in Austin yesterday.
	Every couple months, I want to sit down with Sergeant Fred, Vietnam veteran, 82nd Airborne.
	He's a producer of the show.
	And he's got stories, you know?
	He's got stuff to talk about.
	And I just think how...
	And even he's like, what the hell?
	It's so disgusting.
	How does the militarization...
	And then Budweiser, a Belgian company, pretends they're all patriotic and let's bring home the hero.
	Yeah, sure.
	But the hero of what?
	Of what kind of war?
	And everyone's just all in.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Troops this, troops that.
	It's so wrong.
	We're so militaristic.
	It's frightening.
	I notice this.
	You see it in college games, too.
	They have the flyovers.
	They have the military band comes out.
	I was at a Cal game a few years ago where they actually had a bunch of people during halftime.
	They brought these guys out in the middle of the...
	Of the game, I swear, and they enlisted them.
	But it has to be a combo of the mind-numbingness of people who really watch football, if that's what they do.
	I mean, you watch your interest in the game, statistics, you've got some money on it, whatever you're doing, but you're not hypnotized and only into, ugh, my team, this.
	You're not doing fantasy football on Yahoo.
	It's a militaristic thing, and it's being interwoven, and it can't be healthy.
	It just can't be good.
	I'm thinking Facebook is the gateway drug to this.
	And then the guy who's the most patriotic, the number one patriotic commercial, Bob Dylan, everyone is yelling at him where he actually said, yeah, we'll make your cars.
	Which used to be a very normal thing.
	People would be proud to drive American.
	And here's Bob Dylan.
	God bless him.
	Making some money.
	And everyone's like, I can't believe you're such a sellout!
	Sellout!
	That's a Mitch Kapoor on Twitter.
	100 millionaire Mitch Kapoor.
	100 millionaire Mitch Kapoor.
	Everything's ruined!
	Sellout!
	It was a great commercial.
	It was incredibly patriotic.
	And everyone's just all over Bob Dylan.
	When's the last time you bought a Bob Dylan record, Mitch Kapor, and sent Bob Dylan some money?
	Yeah.
	It's a horror.
	I can't believe...
	If you'd rather have him starve.
	Let him starve!
	So this...
	Okay, so when I'm out and about, and when Miss Mickey and I, we notice this, and you notice this too, John.
	You're like 61 or whatever you are.
	62.
	46.
	I go out and I interact with people who are 10 years younger than we are, and they don't look healthy.
	They look stressed and tired and distracted.
	And so I'm joking about Facebook, but it has to be a combination of the bull crap that people are being fed and you're supposed to believe.
	Toothpaste is going to explode!
	Okay, I have the toothpaste report here.
	We both are on this right away.
	This seemed to be like a package for some reason.
	I'm not sure what it is.
	It's definitely a slamming delta.
	But there's something going on.
	Play the toothpaste report.
	Where is it?
	I don't see it.
	That's why it's funny.
	Oh, here it is.
	It's titled LQ8ist.
	All right, I got it.
	Warning about terrorism just as the Winter Olympics are about to begin.
	It involves, of all things, tubes of toothpaste and the Sochi Games that start on Friday.
	KTVU's Patti Lee is live now at SFO. She learned it has no direct flights to Russia.
	So, Patti, given that, how are passengers reacting?
	Well, they are still afraid.
	Hold on, stop, stop, stop.
	Stop.
	This is the way the report goes.
	So Adam, there's absolutely nothing about this story that has anything to do with where you are.
	So how is everyone reacting?
	People are really frightened right now.
	It's gotten so bad that they are now reverting back to baking soda and water.
	Back to you, Brolf.
	Okay.
	I just thought this was the lead-in was just like, for one thing, so it's non-story, why are we playing this?
	But okay, apparently, you gotta play it.
	Okay, well first, let's be honest, the crazy two toilet commodes, the horrible hotel rooms for the journalists, that story was getting a little old.
	This is better.
	Yeah, like, okay, this is much better.
	Because if explosive materials are hidden inside travel-sized tubes of toothpaste...
	Travel-sized tubes.
	This is even better.
	Yeah, that means you can't take any toothpaste on the plane anymore.
	No, no, but even travel...
	So this little tube...
	...wouldn't take much for a determined terrorist to sneak them on board.
	Toothpaste tubes could be used to smuggle bombs onto planes.
	That warning came from Homeland Security today and is for airlines flying direct to Russia ahead of the Winter Olympics in Sochi.
	It's the type of venue where, you know, the terrorists kind of gravitate to it.
	Nick Smith is a former FBI agent and head of security firm Cannon Street.
	He worries about the safety of the Winter Games, which terrorists have already promised to disrupt, recently unleashing suicide bombers in other Russian cities.
	I'm sorry.
	They recently unleashed the suicide.
	The terrorists unleashed the suicide bombers.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	I love this.
	No wonder people look so shit.
	Demised by all this stuff.
	Homeland Security's warning was directed towards US carriers, namely Delta Airlines.
	And by the way, I went immediately to www.dhs.gov.
	Not a single warning, not a single press release, no news information, nothing about this whatsoever.
	No official from Department of Homeland Security was ever on.
	There's no document that's being pointed to.
	Which runs a direct flight out of New York.
	I believe the games will be safe, but we're in a very different setting in Sochi than we were in Salt Lake City.
	Sochi's a very dangerous neighborhood.
	Mitt Romney today called for more information about the specific intelligence to help the TSA, airlines and passengers prepare.
	But Rick Smith says it's likely on a need-to-know basis.
	I'd like to think that there's more specific intelligence on what they're looking for other than just a toothpaste tooth.
	If someone could bring it, you know, to a toothpaste, then it's like scary, so...
	It's like, oh, I like something, ah, scary.
	Yeah, I don't feel safe at all.
	SFO had little to say about this terrorist warning, only that it didn't have any information to share.
	So here at SFO and at airports across the world ahead of the Olympics, there's a lot of trepidation, preparation, and hoping for the best.
	You know, when I see this stuff, of course, this is bullcrap.
	I really am amazed.
	I'm just amazed.
	How this propagates, and how everybody jumps on board, and how much they just love this.
	I have a couple clips as well about the two, just little blurbs and blippets and schniegelag that I want to play.
	If you have a blippet, I want to hear that for sure.
	This is CNN Breaking News.
	Breaking news.
	We're following word of a possible new terror threat only hours before the start of the Winter Olympic Games in Sochi, Russia.
	The United States is advising airlines with direct flights to Russia to be aware of toothpaste or cosmetic tubes that could be concealing explosive materials.
	The way Brolf does it, just no one can really top the guy because he's so shameless.
	Let's say there's a toothpaste, a container of toothpaste, and it has explosives in it.
	What kind of damage could that do to a plane?
	This is just a beautiful question.
	Hypothetically, what could that do to a plane?
	It was filled with C4. What could it do to a plane?
	Well, any type of explosive, concealed explosive, can be extremely damaging.
	It could...
	This, of course, is the douchebag...
	Peter King?
	Peter King.
	Oh, yeah, no, I've got Peter King a couple times.
	Yeah, it could be enough to bring a plane down.
	Oh, it could be.
	Peter King is now an FAA expert.
	He's an aviation expert.
	He's an expert on aviation.
	It could be enough, you know, as you know, it could be enough to bring a plane down.
	But again, any type of explosive on a plane is of great concern to us.
	Yes, great concern.
	Who's he?
	Has he got a mouse in his pocket?
	Who's he talking about us?
	Unlike the rest of humanity who thinks it's okay to have an explosive on a plane.
	So I guess the key question, are the athletes safe right now?
	Are the American spectators, the family members, the fans, all of the guests who are going to Sochi in the next few days, are they safe?
	Are they safe?
	I would say that they are reasonably safe, but...
	Reasonably safe.
	But hold on.
	I don't want you to get the wrong idea here.
	I would not go myself.
	I would not go myself.
	Screw those Russians.
	If I were an athlete, that's one thing.
	But just as a spectator...
	If I was an athlete, that's one thing.
	Vote this man out!
	I don't know why this guy gets re-elected.
	This is unbelievable.
	It's just unbelievable.
	And then...
	And then we have Burnett.
	Aaron Burnett.
	And she needs...
	So she got Rogers, because both Rogers and King...
	Oh, Rogers?
	Mike Rogers, that other douchebag?
	They were both doing the rounds.
	These are the two guys who have oversight over all of our spying and security.
	I don't even know if they do...
	Airport security, but for some, they're the guys who will talk, and you can call at the drop of a hat.
	At the drop of a hat.
	Media whores.
	Yes.
	Here's the prostitute with the media whore.
	Prestitute Burnett, about Olympic terror.
	And there's all kinds of very interesting little memes that crop up here.
	Good evening, everyone.
	I'm Erin Burnett, and we begin out front tonight with the breaking news.
	A top U.S. counterterrorism official tonight says there are, quote, specific threats aimed at the Olympics, which are just three days away.
	By the way, no mention who the top guy was.
	None of that.
	U.S. tonight tracking the threats racing against time to stop any terrorist attacks.
	U.S. warships and airplanes are moving into final position.
	Really?
	Warships, airplanes moving into final position?
	It's like, are we at war with Russia?
	They're moving into what final position?
	They're on the, our ships are on the Baltic Sea?
	Yes!
	Apparently, according to Aaron Burnett.
	Ready to respond.
	They're ready to respond.
	What?
	President Obama was briefed on the situation today, and his team says that they are, quote, taking all appropriate steps regarding the safety of Americans.
	And joining me now is Congressman Mike Rogers, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
	And thank you so much for taking the time.
	Obviously, the director of the National Counterterrorism Center at the hearing today said, I'll quote him, there are a number of specific threats when it comes to terror attacks at the Olympics in Sochi.
	How worried are you?
	Oh, this is the guy to ask.
	How worried are you?
	I'm going to say that probably he can't talk too much, you know, because...
	Well, I think the venues themselves will be okay.
	The Russians have done a lot of guards, gates, and guns.
	Ah, here we go.
	Guards, gates, and guns.
	This is a new one, John.
	For some reason, this is like his little thing.
	The show title.
	Yeah, and he brings it back in a second piece here with Aaron.
	Are you talking about Al-Qaeda?
	I mean, what other threats do you have?
	Open up your book.
	What other threats do you happen to?
	Can you just give me some names?
	Well, there are Al-Qaeda and Al-Qaeda affiliates.
	And we believe other groups that fit the terrorist profile that have expressed an interest, at least an aspiration, of trying to do something at the games.
	Okay.
	So all of that is concern, and it just kind of ups the opportunities for a mistake to be made if somebody just slipped through, you know, one of the cracks in what is a fairly robust Guards, Gates, and Guns security plan.
	There it is again.
	Guards, Gates, and Guns security plan.
	There's something up with it.
	The best security you can have is that combined with fully robust intercooperative intelligence.
	Yes, fully robust.
	That last piece is missing.
	Yes, fully robust intercooperative intelligence.
	That's what we need.
	And that's not a show title, by the way.
	That's just too long.
	But it doesn't stop there, because we have toothpaste and guards, gates, and guns, but...
	Apparently we now have cyberfied the Black Widow.
	Black Widows are female suicide bombers.
	Traditionally, women seeking revenge for the death of their husbands.
	But that's changed.
	Now there's a whole new group of Black Widows.
	What terror experts are telling us are Black Widows 2.0.
	Okay!
	Woo!
	Upgrade!
	I'm just speechless.
	That's a borderline clip of the day.
	I am speechless.
	I had no idea.
	You know, she has just deteriorated.
	I don't watch CNN anymore.
	I have to be honest that I have it on all the time because that's just where the nutty stuff comes from.
	Now, of course, that wasn't enough.
	You know, we've got to scare everybody.
	You're probably responsible for half their ratings.
	Yeah.
	You're right.
	No, but I don't do Pierce Moron anymore, at least.
	You've got to give me that.
	NBC, and I picked this up.
	One of our friends yesterday said, oh, I totally believe this guy.
	What's his name?
	Russ Engel, Ronald, Dog Boy, something.
	Visitors to Russia can expect to be hacked.
	And as Richard Engel found out upon his arrival there, it's not a matter of if, but when.
	Richard, good evening.
	Good evening, Brian.
	It is not just hacking.
	The State Department warns that travelers should have no expectation of privacy even in their hotel rooms.
	And as we found out, you are especially exposed as soon as you try and communicate with anything.
	Now, this makes me chuckle.
	Because you could just say this was for America.
	There's no expectation of privacy here either.
	Yeah, no, I know.
	I think that's the irony of these reports.
	Yeah, especially not in a hotel room.
	And so this goes on for a little bit.
	And I can just see the meeting now.
	Okay, yeah.
	And I don't watch sports channels because I just don't.
	But I can see the meetings, listen, we've really got to ratchet up this anti-Russian thing.
	But we're getting close to the games now.
	We've got the real sports happening.
	I'm thinking that we've got to do something for the sports guys.
	Guys don't want to hear about gays.
	They're not interested in the gay thing.
	They just want to hear about gays.
	We can't do that.
	And Russia hates gays.
	What are we going to do?
	So...
	I know.
	They're killing dogs.
	Yeah!
	That's a good one.
	Everybody loves dogs.
	We can't just...
	Oh, yeah!
	Now, I was unaware that Keith Olbermann...
	So he moved to ESPN2, I believe.
	Is this correct?
	He went back to ESPN. That's where he started.
	Right.
	But this is after he was on MSNBC and then he was on Current TV. And then, I don't even remember what happened, but then he shows up sometimes on...
	Well, Current TV thing was a fiasco because it was a cheap production.
	He didn't like it and he just walked off.
	Right.
	Whatever his problem was.
	And he shows up on Bill Maher from time to time.
	But now on ESPN2, and our new knight sent me a link to this clip, and I'm just going to play it until you say you can't take it anymore.
	Have you ever seen his show on ESPN2? Oh yeah, I've seen it a number of times.
	What happened?
	Have they drugged him?
	What has happened to him?
	What are you asking about?
	I don't know what you mean.
	Well, you tell me that if this is normal for Keith Olbermann, then okay.
	So someone said, dude, here's the memo.
	We have to make people hate Russia because they're killing dogs.
	But we start tonight at Madison Square Garden, where at this hour preparations are already underway for the 138th Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show.
	For 48 hours starting Monday, 2,845 dogs will be paraded, judged, picked up so people can examine their private parts, petted, hugged, nuzzled, kissed, shampooed, dried, and set.
	And loved.
	Only this year, at exactly the same time, 4,600 miles away, they're holding another sporting event whose participants, sponsors, and viewers are enabling its organizers to take dogs and hunt and kill them.
	Hunt and kill them, reportedly shoot them with poisoned darts or leave poisoned meat for them.
	Hunt and kill them, though the Russian government promised not to.
	I think we get the message.
	Hunt and kill them.
	Hunt and kill them for profit.
	Hunt and kill them for national pride.
	The other event is, of course, the 2014 Winter Olympics.
	Now, is this typical for him on ESPN2? Is this his shtick?
	Yeah.
	This smiling dog to my right is not from the dog show.
	He's from Sochi, Russia.
	And he's probably dead now.
	This is genius.
	This is only the beginning, John.
	This is only the beginning.
	I sat through this last night.
	I'm falling on the floor.
	So you're missing out on some great material.
	That's what I said earlier in the show.
	Listen, let's see this again.
	The dog over his shoulder is probably dead.
	Bring its organizers.
	He's dead.
	Take dogs and hunt and kill them.
	He's dead.
	Hunt and kill them.
	Reportedly shoot them with poison darts or leave poison meat for them.
	Hunt and kill them.
	Though the Russian government promised not to.
	Hunt and kill them for profit.
	Hunt and kill them for national pride.
	The other event is of course...
	National pride?
	It gets better.
	...2014 Winter Olympics.
	This smiling dog to my right is not from the dog show.
	He's from Sochi, Russia.
	And he's probably dead now.
	I touched on this last night.
	The area does have what you and I would consider an enormous number of stray dogs.
	North American journalists have been tweeting photos of them, commenting not just on their unexpected friendliness, but also about how many of them look not like feral dogs, but like abandoned pets.
	Ah, they're pets, John.
	They're not just feral dogs.
	Those damn Russians.
	They get a pet dog and then they just kick them out of the house.
	Hunt and kill them.
	The city of Sochi has a standing contract with a pest control company to kill 300 dogs a month, more, during the Olympics.
	Oh!
	The company is called Basia Services.
	It is run by an Alexei Sorokin, and to horrified onlookers, he says things like, let's call things by their real name, these dogs are biological trash.
	Biological trash.
	The horror of calling dogs biological trash.
	From the Associated Press account, Sorokin, quote, said he was stunned last week when he attended a rehearsal for the opening ceremony and saw a stray dog walking in on the performers.
	Now listen to this.
	Now listen to this, because this is a hint.
	Sniper him.
	I think it's a hint.
	A dog ran into the fished stadium.
	We took it away, he said.
	God forbid something like this happens at the actual opening ceremony.
	This will be a disgrace for the whole country.
	Ah, prediction.
	Red book.
	Put it in.
	Opening ceremony.
	Dog.
	Dog.
	Dog on the field.
	Snipered.
	Wouldn't that be great?
	There won't be a sniper, but there'll be a dog.
	The Americans, by the way, our State Department.
	We'll put the dog in there.
	We'll sneak the dog on the field.
	If only it could be Bo.
	Just throw the White House dog out there.
	I think someone will either kick the dog.
	This is going to be an international incident.
	And by the way, Is the audience of ESPN2, do they really need this kind of indoctrination and propaganda?
	Are these people so brain dead that they sit there and watch this guy do this?
	You have to ask that question?
	Yeah.
	The irony of his own words is lost.
	This is high entertainment.
	This is fabulous.
	Mr.
	Sorokin.
	And on President Putin.
	And by the way, this whole thing, this whole, this controversy that is everywhere about, oh, they're killing the dogs, is based on a contract to get rid of 300 dogs that are running around the stadium and are annoying.
	That's what this whole thing is based on.
	You had a news event today.
	Ignore the issue.
	Ignore the issue.
	Disgrace.
	Who are the biological trash?
	Disgrace.
	Mr.
	Sorokin also told ABC News that Sochi has, quote, an epidemic of rabies.
	Oh!
	If that is correct, of course, the issue of dealing with the stray dogs is irrelevant, because if Sochi has a rabies epidemic, the spectators and athletes and journalists need to be evacuated from the area immediately, and the Olympics must be canceled tonight.
	But he's serious, John.
	Do you think he writes this himself?
	Yeah, he writes most of his own material, is my understanding.
	Does he know that this is comedy?
	Well, he is a comedian in some way, so probably...
	Oh, my...
	I think he's serious, dead serious about this.
	Do you want to hear more?
	I don't think he's thinking of it.
	This is going to get a big laugh.
	Do you want to hear more?
	Yeah, this is great.
	Because if that is true, not only does Mr.
	Sorokin kill dogs with poisoned meat and darts instead of capturing them and spaying and neutering them, but he's not even good at it.
	This may be because Sorokin and his other dog killers have competition.
	This is video from the Boston Globe website, from their superb story on all this by reporter David Filipov.
	The woman is Dr.
	Vlada Provotorova.
	She is a dentist, and she and a few friends have started an ad hoc Sochi dog rescue mission.
	And by the way, these girls, hot.
	Hot, hot, hot girls.
	With dogs.
	Hot girls with dogs.
	In this ramshackle kennel near a swamp, there are 14 dogs, and again, these look like abandoned pets.
	Again.
	Or their offspring.
	Abandoned pets.
	Dr.
	Provo Tarova, who should have a statue built in her honor.
	For saving the dogs.
	We can't even get a podcast award.
	She's getting a statue in her honor?
	Says she and her group have rescued, sterilized, found homes for as many as 100 of the dogs.
	But her estimate is that Sorokin's men may have already killed 7,000 dogs.
	Okay, that's enough.
	Do you just want to hear the wrap-up?
	The last 30 seconds?
	You wanted me to stop it!
	And remember this.
	In the next two weeks of Olympic hype, some Americans will spend their time and their money supporting an event that enabled this carnage.
	But other Americans will refuse to do so.
	And perhaps a few Americans will calculate what they might have spent on the products advertised during the telecast of these Olympics.
	Olympics stained with the blood of thousands of dogs.
	Okay, stop!
	I don't want to hear the pipe slide.
	It's getting ridiculous.
	You said something very interesting.
	By the way, this to me is like, how do you get this?
	Of course, he's got his own staff.
	I mean, he does what he wants on that show.
	But it's like, I got an idea.
	You know, they're trying to scare people off the Sochi thing with this and that.
	Dog killers.
	Yeah, but that's the meeting I just had.
	We can't do gays because the guys who watch sports are sick and they don't want to talk about gays all the time.
	No, but they'll talk about dogs.
	Many of them have hunting dogs.
	Yes, they got dogs.
	Of course, it's horrible.
	Dog is man's best friend.
	It's like killing a person.
	Now, you said something very interesting, and we have it in the book now that we're expecting a stray dog to run out during the opening ceremony, which, of course, if that happens, will be placed by the State Department.
	Before we get to the breaking news that we have regarding the State Department, something else happened just recently in regards to Russia, which...
	I believe is now being intertwined with the homophobia, the Russia hates gays meme.
	And this is the so-called funding for NGO law.
	Let me just see what the exact name of it is.
	Have you followed this at all?
	A little bit, but no.
	So there's a new law in Russia that a non-governmental organization, if they receive money as a non-profit, they have to register as a foreign agent.
	Yeah.
	Which is not all that abnormal.
	The problem is, this is actually the Human Rights Watch.
	These guys are all over this.
	By the way, run and financed by the State Department.
	It's the State Department front.
	So here they are in the European Parliament, literally combining these two.
	It's a little hard to understand because everyone's got a freaking accent.
	They are very concerned.
	...about these certain restrictive new laws, including this so-called foreign agent law, and the recent rates and fiscal controls performed abruptly by Russian officials on the office of several domestic and foreign NGOs and institutions.
	We will also discuss the rights of LGBTI people in the context of this new legislation passed by the Duma that forbids, I quote, So here's what's being said and being discussed.
	They're saying, just to ratchet it up one more notch, that besides hating gays, the Russians are cracking down on non-profit, non-governmental organizations who are receiving cash to help the gays.
	So they're making it worse.
	They're taking the gay money.
	This is obscene, what is happening.
	Above all, it's not true.
	And you've got people freaking out and just making stuff up to an incredible degree about how...
	And of course, everyone should be careful of America's non-governmental organizations.
	Those are exactly the organizations that start riots.
	Yeah, no, this is what we do.
	We've got a clue about this.
	This is our system.
	We're good at it.
	Yeah, we're very good at it.
	This is our system.
	This is how we roll.
	And Russia's smart.
	They're like, no, we don't want that.
	You know, we want to make sure we know what these people are doing.
	And now you get...
	Oh, there's so many...
	Which is, by the way, what we generally try to do in our country.
	Yeah.
	If it's a Russian front, we'd like to know.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, go on.
	So there's all of these different organizations.
	So principle6.org is something you might want to look at.
	Principle6.org.
	And this is obvious.
	And they don't even tell you who's financing them other than, again, American Apparel is one of their partners.
	This is buying order P6 gear, get your t-shirt, and say, I hate Russia.
	That's essentially what it is.
	And then they'll send money to the LGBT community to help them with whatever horrible thing is going on in Russia.
	The New York Times points directly in one of their articles on the lead, I guess.
	I don't know if it's a blog or what that is.
	Christine Hauser.
	Points to a YouTube video made by Human Rights Watch, which is well done, but there's no context.
	There's no journalistic reporting here.
	There's no names of so-called victims.
	The video basically shows six different cases of people who are...
	The voiceover says, this guy is gay, and they kicked him in the head.
	See, that never even happened in San Francisco.
	Yeah, or we just had people here in Austin on 6th Street kicked while they were on the ground.
	Big scandal about it.
	Gay or not, which I don't think they were, but this happens everywhere.
	But the way it's put together...
	And this is the New York Times.
	With just days left until the start on Friday of the Sochi Winter Olympics, Human Rights Watch released a video on Tuesday, completely edited, could be from 20 years of material, no names, nothing journalistic whatsoever.
	Human Rights Watch released a video on Tuesday that highlights the disturbing violence and discrimination that gay, lesbian, transgender, and bisexual people face in Russia.
	That is propaganda.
	It's not journalism, whatever it is.
	It's just not journalism.
	They're just saying things.
	And I understand, yeah, we're pissed that we didn't get the Olympic Games and that Snowden's in Russia, but, gee, people make it a little less obvious.
	And then something came out just before we started the show, and this is also in relation to Russia, regarding Ukraine.
	You want to set this clip up?
	Yeah, it turns out, now we have to think about where this clip came from.
	This clip showed up mysteriously on the internet, and there's layers and layers of irony about this clip.
	And I believe, and you could put it in the red book or not, it doesn't make any difference because it's so obvious, this will be a scandal later this week.
	Right now, many people here will be hearing it for the first time, and you'll probably hear it again later.
	I agree.
	They're going to try to suppress it, of course.
	I agree.
	Well, you're going to hear it uncensored here to start with, which is good.
	Right.
	And let's just lay it out.
	This is Victoria Nuland on the phone with the American ambassador to the Ukraine, just chit-chatting.
	I was going to say, let's get a little background on the Ukrainian situation.
	The Ukrainian situation is completely, you know, it's out of control.
	They're trying to overthrow the government.
	And it's...
	Just a little even more background.
	We have...
	I don't know how to put this because there's one of our economic hitmen.
	We do have a few.
	But one of them who's a friend of mine has been dating this woman who is...
	You know that there's this...
	I can't remember the name of this.
	Hold on a second.
	Hold on.
	Back up just a little bit.
	So a friend of yours is dating a woman and he's an economic hitman or she's...
	He's an economic hitman and she's a spy for the State Department.
	She hates our show, by the way.
	She hates us.
	Hate?
	Yeah.
	Wait a minute.
	I would say that's probably right.
	Have you met her?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	I'll never meet her.
	She won't meet us.
	Wow.
	And it turns out she is...
	Because we unmask the CIA for what they really are.
	That's why she hates us.
	No, she's not.
	She's in the State Department.
	You know the State Department's got that little agency.
	Oh, okay.
	This is from all our Hillary bashing.
	I get it.
	Yeah, intelligence.gov has got the list of all these little mini-agencies.
	Yeah, okay, I get it, I get it.
	And she's the one, and let me get the name of them.
	I had it here.
	I sent myself a note, and I can't find the note.
	Did you email that to yourself?
	How do you do that?
	I can mail it to myself.
	So we'll go to the, here's the, go to intelligence.gov, and then when you go to member agencies under mission, You have all the agencies.
	And all these agencies are in a club.
	This is a club, literally.
	A collaborative club of all the top intelligence agencies.
	There's the Central Intelligence Agency, the Department of Energy, Office of Intelligence.
	They have an intelligence agency.
	The Department of Homeland Security has an intelligence agency.
	The Department of State, this is her, I think.
	I don't know this for a fact.
	I just put two and two together.
	There's a lot going on here, yeah.
	Department of State is called Intelligence and Research.
	It's a spy agency that the State Department runs on its own.
	I believe this woman works for him.
	She's in the Ukraine.
	New Orleans in the Ukraine.
	They're all over there.
	They're all in the Ukraine, right.
	Now, the Department of State's intelligence and research operation is interesting because they are actually a slightly meta-intelligence group because they do a little oversight on all the other intelligence agencies to make sure that they're supporting the State Department's theories about the world.
	Right.
	And they have the official ones and then the unofficial, which is Human Rights Watch and Amnesty and all these fantastic organizations which literally get funding from the State Department.
	And then there's the non-governmental organizations on the ground who, just like what Russia is now forbidding, start stuff and start a ruckus.
	So, Newland was phone tapped, and who do you think might have done that?
	Yeah.
	So, I think you probably agree with this.
	We assume the Russians tapped their phone and released this thing, hoping it would go viral.
	Right.
	I'm sorry.
	Play it.
	Okay.
	And so let's just...
	The players again are Ukraine in the middle.
	Russia wants to transit gas and everything through Ukraine into their biggest customer.
	And wants to keep it as a buffer state.
	Yep.
	And a buffer state for security as well.
	And wants to supply their gas to their biggest customer, the European Union.
	The European Union...
	Really wanted to get Ukraine in, you know, obviously to fix the prices of the gas and, you know, and of course have another country move into the Euro.
	And the United States, I think I have a report which kind of shows what our true mission is, but we're, well, here's Victoria Nuland and clearly we're a player separate from Ukraine and the EU. I can't remember if I told you this or if I only told Washington this, that When I talked to Jeff Feltman this morning, he had a new name for the UN guy, Robert Sari.
	Did I write you that this morning?
	Yeah, I saw that.
	He's now gotten both Sari and Ban Ki-moon to agree that Sari could come in Monday or Tuesday.
	Okay.
	So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and have the UN help glue it.
	And you know, fuck the EU. No, exactly.
	And I think we've got to do something to make it stick together because you can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude, the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it.
	Yes!
	There's also somewhere in the clip, the original clip, she goes on to say that she wants to make sure Klitschko, who is essentially the titular head of the opposition, not to be part of this at all.
	We want to put in one of our guys.
	And we're already planning to put in an American stooge in this Ukrainian situation.
	And this is not...
	So the Russians obviously are doing what they do.
	What we do.
	They tap the phone.
	But instead of what we do, which is keep the stuff in a big pile over there in Utah somewhere.
	They released it.
	They put it on the internet.
	Now, I think I know what some of this is about.
	There's something that happened in Ukraine, which I was unaware of.
	And here's a report from, I think this is, well, it's an English report.
	One of our Ukrainian listeners sent this to me, and I was surprised by this knowledge.
	An operating agreement on shale gas production between Ukraine and the U.S. oil and gas company Chevron may be signed in March.
	Therefore, Chevron will be able to actually start development of the Alaska field in western Ukraine.
	Apparently, there's some big shale gas in Ukraine that has been recently discovered.
	Oh!
	Nice.
	Then Chevron gets the contract.
	They need to start in March.
	So what do you do?
	You call your resource extraction organization, known as the State Department, who then do whatever necessary until ultimately sending in the jackals.
	On behalf of Chevron.
	Yes!
	Acting Energy and Co-Industry Minister Eduard Stavitsky said this on Tuesday.
	Chevron representatives are in Ukraine and coordinate their actions with the ministry, Stavitsky noted.
	Besides, according to the Acting Minister, an investment program of the Shell Company for 2014 was approved last week.
	So we have Chevron, we have Shell.
	Well, we're going to keep with Chevron because fuck the EU. Fuck the EU. They can take Shell out of there.
	Chevron is what it's all about.
	We're working for one country, not two.
	Chevron.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's all fun.
	But really, it's all about human rights.
	And we just want, you know, if we have democratic countries with democratic leaders, the world is a better place.
	It's not at all about, I don't know, oil and gas.
	It's so transparent.
	I'm blown away.
	Staying with the State Department, are you familiar with the parody video that's a big scandal?
	No.
	I'm actually going to go with, I'm going to mention something else about our economic hitman's girlfriend.
	Uh-oh.
	After I bring this out.
	So there's a parody video floating around Israel, I believe.
	And it's got, and it's a news report.
	I only have the absolute beginning of it.
	Oh, I have heard about, I think I saw, I haven't seen, I don't know what it's about.
	So hold on, hold on.
	Uh-oh.
	You sure you want to talk about the State Department?
	State Department.
	So they have...
	Where's this video on this list?
	I got State Department and the video.
	Would that be it?
	State...
	I think that's her...
	I think that's Pataki or whatever.
	What's her name?
	Jen.
	Jen Psaki.
	Psaki talking about it.
	Speaking of Americans, slamming...
	Robbing the prison.
	State Department on peace talks.
	No, it's a horrid Carrie parody.
	Now, this is just the beginning of the thing, because there's no reason to watch or listen to the whole thing.
	It's mostly visual anyway, and I'll set it up.
	It's a fake news report, and John Carrie is floating around the Middle East, and there's a guy who's...
	Who's like a short version of John Kerry.
	Looks a little like him.
	He's got a phony wig on and he's in a big giant Escalade with a bunch of Pat.
	Who is this?
	Is this Israeli produced?
	It's sketchy.
	But we think it's Palestinian produced or maybe Israeli produced.
	One of the two.
	They don't like Kerry either side.
	Good.
	Both sides of this debate about, you know, they're trying to do peace talks and whatever.
	Well, nobody likes Kerry.
	And so nobody likes Kerry.
	So they're doing this thing.
	So the guy looks a little like Kerry.
	But he sounds like a Turkish rug salesman.
	So you won't get any Kerry imitation here.
	But this is just the very beginning of it.
	And this began the controversy.
	John Kerry landed this morning in Israel as part of his ongoing efforts to broker an agreement between Israel and the Palestinians.
	If not, my name is not.
	John Kerry.
	John Kerry.
	John Kerry?
	Yes.
	John Kerry Solutions.
	Yes.
	Kerry began his tour at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, perhaps the most sensitive issue in the negotiations.
	Providing Jerusalem is not an easy thing.
	We must realize that it's holy to all religions, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Klingons, and Hobbits.
	What I'm saying is, why fight over an old wall?
	I'll build you a brand new wall.
	Anyway, it goes on like that.
	Okay, so yeah, it's a bit parody.
	Alright, understandable.
	Wait, this is an international incident, this video?
	Well, it's become an issue.
	Okay.
	Because according to Jen, they're insulting poor Carrie left and right, and this is just another example of the insults being thrown at this poor bastard.
	This is State Department and the video?
	So this would be the State Department and the video, the Q&A that went on about this video.
	And it turns out there's a little factoid in here which I want to discuss after.
	Did the Secretary watch the Israeli Settlers Council's video ridiculing his Middle East peace efforts?
	I don't believe he's watched the video.
	We're certainly aware of the video.
	Have you watched it?
	I have not personally watched it, no.
	Any reaction to it?
	I think it goes in with what I've already stated about attempts to mischaracterize his record, his position, his positions on issues, his statements, how that is not an attack on him, that's an attack on the process, and of course that kind of rhetoric we find unacceptable.
	You've been impaired him.
	I mean, clearly the Secretary does not believe that Jerusalem is the holy city for hobbits.
	Yay, Matt!
	I have not seen the video, Matt.
	Well, that's one of the things that's in there.
	So, you know...
	Perhaps...
	Now you've sold it very well.
	I will watch the video.
	I'm making a broad point about all the different...
	What kind of a lying sack is she?
	I have not seen the video.
	Of course she's seen the video.
	Well, here's the thing.
	You know, I thought that, too.
	And I think that, for example, if something like this hits...
	I would be the first one, if I'm working in the State Department, I'd be the first one to get on that video.
	Exactly.
	I'm not absolutely sure that, I mean it sounds like, I question it because the woman that I believe is part of the, or she's in the State Department, she's part of the Office of Intelligence.
	So, her boyfriend sits her down at his computer.
	And asks her, I may never get another note from these guys, asks her to, she says, have you ever seen the Bradley Manning stuff?
	You mean like the helicopter killing people?
	Well, I don't know if she even saw that, but I'm talking about the WikiLeaks, the big pile of crap.
	Right, right.
	The cables.
	Right.
	No.
	And she said no.
	She's not allowed to.
	Do you want to ever see him?
	She says, well, I can't access them at the office.
	It's illegal.
	It's classified, so she's not allowed to see it, I think.
	Isn't that the idea?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Who are they kidding with this nonsense that they can't look at this stuff?
	It's called compartmentalization.
	And it's done with very specific reasons so no one really has the full picture.
	The fact that you and I have a pretty decent picture makes no difference.
	We're expendable.
	I can get two to the head in five seconds if I'm annoying enough.
	So it's just, yeah, it's not important.
	Yeah, it's true, if you want to look at it from that perspective.
	But there's plenty, you're not the only one that has a broad perspective.
	There's plenty of people that have much better perspective than we have and have worked in the government and maybe are not security cleared, but they've seen enough and they've heard enough and people gossip.
	I also think that people are very afraid.
	I believe that a lot of the people that I've met in the D.C. area, certainly during our first Hot Pockets tour, who have certain clearances, they don't want to risk it.
	They don't want to risk their job.
	They want to risk anything by looking at something that may not be cleared for them, for their level, because they know that it's being checked.
	And yeah, of course there's people who have a lot of the The whole picture.
	But I think those people are podcasters.
	I don't think the government actually allows this to happen.
	I really don't.
	It's called compartmentalization.
	It happens all the time.
	So no one within government can really put it all together.
	Yeah, I guess you can walk around as a cog in the wheel, just lockstep and not caring that you're being fed crap.
	People like their jobs, they like their houses, they like their lives, they're being told by the television what to do.
	And they do it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So I'm of the opinion that it's quite possible that she hasn't seen the video.
	And she makes, because the way she answered the question, she says, well, this is just another example of mischaracterization, which has nothing to do with Carrie, but it's the process and blah, blah, blah.
	If she saw the video, like Matt had seen it, she would have known it's just ridiculous, and she would have said, eh, yeah, I saw it.
	It's ridiculous.
	Now, she could have been forbidden from seeing it, which is like really creepy.
	Here's what I don't understand.
	So parodies are done all the time.
	In this country, everywhere around the world, why all of a sudden is this parody such a big deal?
	It's not like the Knesset produced the video themselves.
	This is psychological warfare, and we're falling for it, and Matt clearly is a part of it.
	Why else would he break?
	This is not a big deal.
	Well, it wasn't his question.
	It was somebody else's matches threw in the kicker wondering why she didn't see it.
	Okay, and so it sounded like an Israeli guy who brought it up.
	Yeah, it did.
	Right?
	They don't like Kerry and they're trying to stir up trouble.
	And the Israelis can stir up as much trouble as the Russians.
	Big time.
	They're not going to be dropping phone taps.
	By the way, this just in, and I think this is the right move, Billie Jean King no longer part of the Olympic delegation.
	Oh, good for her.
	Yeah, I know exactly.
	I think she's great.
	He's like, oh no, my mom is sick, whatever.
	Exactly.
	You do not want any part of this Billie Jean King.
	You do not want any part of this farce.
	Yeah, it's...
	This Russia, this is getting ridiculous as far as I'm concerned.
	This Russian crap and American crap, throwing all this junk at the Russians to screw up the Olympics is one thing.
	Leaking, you know, private conversations, which again, no one on the State Department will probably get to listen to.
	But I think it's going to cost a Newlander job.
	Do you think that this will be picked up or do you think it will be completely ignored by the media?
	I think it's going to have to be picked up.
	Because it's one of those things, once it gets tweeted by the No Agenda show or whoever, it's out.
	I mean, this is going to be...
	People are going to start asking, why isn't somebody saying something about this?
	I don't know.
	I think...
	You know who's going to bring it up?
	Matt?
	Your buddy Nigel.
	Oh, Farage, yes.
	If Nigel brings it up, it's all over.
	Let me ask you this.
	Newland's out.
	Why have we still not seen a single clip or quote or anything from the German Snowden interview?
	This is, somewhere a memo went out.
	It's creepy at this point.
	I'm sorry?
	I said it's creepy at this point.
	It's extremely creepy.
	Not a single news organization can justify not pointing to it, talking about it, quoting anything from it.
	It's not acceptable.
	No, it's not.
	I'm getting the sense that all these people are read in, they've signed security agreements, and they're not going to say anything because they're not allowed to.
	I think that's where the media is right now.
	I agree with you.
	That's exactly where it is.
	We are the only bastions of freedom.
	It's pretty close to that.
	I mean, we could have the knock on the door, and the guy would come in not to shoot you.
	He'd come in and say, here, you're signing this.
	You are signing this now.
	You're going to get security level Z, which is at the bottom, but now you can't talk about any of this stuff.
	What would happen?
	That would ruin the show is what would happen.
	That actually scares me more than anything.
	I'm less worried of getting two to the head than getting the NSL. If you get the letter, then it's all over.
	Then I have no vocation.
	There may be, and we don't know what NSLs there are that are out there.
	There may be NSLs we've never heard of that do exactly what I just described, which shuts you up as a member of the media, or otherwise just throw you in jail.
	Yeah, somehow I still don't think that we're important enough.
	I just don't see it.
	No, I don't think so either.
	I think a lot of people in government listen to us.
	And they go, that's pretty good.
	Yeah, man, they're wrong, wrong, wrong.
	That's pretty good.
	Hey, want to go out to lunch?
	I don't care.
	That's pretty good.
	So what?
	Yeah.
	No, I mean, the Newland thing has...
	Now, if the Newland thing...
	Now, I agree about this.
	It's very disconcerting that the...
	There's two things disconcerting about this Snowden interview.
	One is that it's not gotten any play in the USA by any media outlets.
	It's gone by, you know, people like us.
	A, and B, where's the other six hours of it?
	How come that hasn't been leaked out?
	Oh yeah, no, it's very edited.
	Very, very edited.
	It's extremely, yeah, tightly edited.
	But it was also, the questions are even in English.
	I mean, how international do you want it to be?
	Now, there's something that came up, and this goes back to Rogers, but it's part of the snow job thing.
	As this moves towards the obvious media shield law, In violation of the American Constitution.
	This is Rogers baiting, literally baiting Comey.
	Now, Comey is very interesting.
	He's the new director of the FBI. He's a new kid on the block.
	He's very, very good.
	I mean, he's a banker.
	He was on the board of directors at HSBC. He's a part of the big hedge funds.
	He's the right guy.
	He's the right guy to have because the FBI, of course, helps launder the money.
	And he's in the congressional hearing that this is just one of the little bits of it.
	And Rogers is making a very, very interesting argument For theft of documents and the difference between theft of documents and fencing stolen property and freedom of the press, which I've got to hand it to Comey.
	He's not really taking the bait, but he is setting the debate up.
	There have been discussions about selling of access to this material to both newspaper outlets and other places.
	Mr.
	Cromie, to best of your knowledge, is fencing stolen material, is that a crime?
	Yes, it is.
	And would be selling the access of classified material that is stolen from the United States government, would that be a crime?
	It would be.
	It's an issue that can be complicated if it involves a news gathering, a news promulgation function, but in general, fencing or selling stolen property is a crime.
	So if I'm a newspaper reporter for Phil and the Blake, and I sell stolen material, is that legal because I'm a newspaper reporter?
	Right.
	If you're a newspaper reporter and you're hawking stolen jewelry, it's still a crime.
	And if I'm hawking stolen classified material that I'm not legally in the possession of for personal gain and profit, is that not a crime?
	I think that's a harder question because it involves a news-gathering function, could have First Amendment implications.
	That's something that probably would be better answered by the Department of Justice.
	So entering into a commercial enterprise to sell stolen material is...
	Back it up a little bit.
	Were you kibitzing and you said you think, or was that Rogers?
	No, I'm sorry.
	I said that.
	I said that.
	That was me.
	I thought it was Rogers.
	I'm working on my Rogers impersonation.
	Okay, well, you confused me.
	Sorry about that.
	Sorry about that.
	But he might as well have said it.
	Amendment implications?
	That's something that would probably be better answered by the Department of Justice.
	So entering into a commercial enterprise to sell stolen material is acceptable to a legitimate news organization?
	I'm not sure I'm able to answer that question in the abstract.
	Something we ought to think about, is it not?
	By the way, that's a keeper.
	I'm not sure I'm able to answer that question in the abstract.
	Yeah, that's a pro.
	That is a lawyer-banker dude right there.
	That is a pro.
	This reminds me of John Dean during the Nixon impeachment.
	I always tell people this.
	I used to, when I was at the air pollution district, I had to give a lot of testimony, and we learned a lot of these tricks.
	Yeah.
	This is a good one.
	And that's a good one.
	Never heard that one before.
	But my favorite one, which is what John Dean used to do constantly, is that he'd preface every answer with, I'm not sure I fully understand the question, but...
	Right.
	And then you're off the hook.
	I don't think I can answer that question in the abstract.
	I mean, it's just beautiful.
	It's beautiful.
	Thank you.
	I'm keeping this for the rest of my life.
	I'm not sure I'm able to answer that question in the abstract.
	Beautiful.
	Something we ought to think about, is it not?
	Oh, yeah.
	Certainly.
	And so if there are accomplices in purveying stolen information, shouldn't we be concerned about that?
	We should be concerned about all the facts surrounding the theft of classified information and its promulgation.
	Now, Rogers is about to say something very interesting.
	All these guys went to the big security conference in, I think it's Munich?
	It's every year, every other year, and everybody goes, all the intelligence, all the spooks are in Germany.
	Interestingly, over again the Munich conference where we had individuals tell us that in fact there are individuals who are saying to be in possession of this information who are eager to sell this information to other news organizations.
	Would that be a legitimate exercise on behalf of a reporter?
	That's a question now you're getting from the general to the particular.
	I don't want to talk about the case in particular because it's an active investigation of ours.
	It's an active investigation for accomplices brokering and stolen information?
	We are looking at the totality of the circumstances around the theft and promulgation.
	That's very interesting.
	That's very interesting.
	It's a coming.
	So this is going to define when you are a journalist, who is a journalist, and when you are hawking stolen information.
	The setup is beautiful.
	Yeah, well, they're out to get Glenn Greenwald, for sure.
	Oh, I don't know if they're out to get him.
	I'm not so sure.
	They need him.
	I think Greenwald is going to get the license.
	Greenwald will be licensed, but they're going to have to screw someone.
	I hope it's Applebaum.
	Oh, God, I hope they take him and throw him.
	I'm not sure.
	I think they're...
	No.
	You really think they're going to nail Greenwald?
	I think they want to.
	Because if you listen to enough of these hearings, they're always bitching about this whole thing.
	And Greenwald's the one that was listed in Strat for as a guy you gotta get.
	Okay.
	Remember that?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It doesn't really matter.
	The assault is still on to determine who is allowed to report and who is not allowed to report.
	That's essentially where it's going to go.
	Yeah, well, that's the long term.
	That's the long game.
	Let's make a few examples out of some guys while we're at it.
	You want to steal this stuff?
	Fine.
	How about those podcasters?
	Podcasters?
	We don't know anything.
	All we do is analyze.
	I saw that there's a new podcast network called Radiotopia, and they are being financed by the Knight Foundation, starting off with $200,000.
	This is, you know...
	How come they don't sponsor us?
	For good reason.
	Yeah.
	PRX, the online marketplace for public media.
	This is all just...
	They're sponsoring people that will do their bidding.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And the new entrant, the new hire at First Look Media, Pierre...
	Omadar?
	Drive My Car...
	And Graham Graham?
	The new guy?
	The new guy?
	Any idea?
	New new guy?
	You're going to love it.
	Andy Carvin.
	Oh, wow.
	You could have put that in the Red Book.
	We should have predicted.
	We should have done that.
	Apparently, he took the buyout from NPR. I didn't even know that.
	They had to cut staff, and so they offered him a buyout, and he took it.
	So he took the buyout, and he took the new job at the Baby You Can Drive My Cars place.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's a catch.
	Yeah.
	It's going to be very interesting.
	It's almost like a honeypot for douchebags.
	Just blow that thing up eventually.
	Just get rid of everybody.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on no agenda.
	Whoa.
	Whoa.
	Whoa!
	Whoa!
	What happened?
	I don't know.
	So we have a note from somebody before I get to my names here.
	They're getting close.
	Just wanted to pass along an observation about native advertising.
	This anonymous producer says, The two of you seem to be so against it as I am, but I find it interesting how you two manage to insert into every show or so it seems.
	I think it was mentioned once.
	In seven years.
	Comments promoting the Amazon Kindle.
	Yeah.
	This was a really...
	This was really bad a few episodes ago when John went on and on about how great it is to read books on the new Kindle Paperwhite.
	So, just what is Amazon going to exchange for all this?
	Free shipping on your mac and cheese?
	I have free shipping anyway.
	I'm a member of Amazon Prime.
	Um...
	Now, I sent a note.
	You sent a note.
	You just told me.
	I didn't say that.
	I said, this is...
	Because it's not an observation.
	It's an insult.
	And I'm offended by it.
	Yeah, you were offended.
	But the way I said it, I just want to say something about this because...
	The fact that we don't have advertisers and the fact that we're not doing native advertising, we're not taking any money from anybody like that, allows us to say what we think.
	And I like the Kindle paperweight and I can honestly say it.
	I'm not sponsored by Nook that would tell me not to say this.
	I'm not sponsored by Amazon that would tell me to pump it more or to give a model number or who knows what they'd do.
	Or even Audible who would be against the whole idea of reading in general.
	Especially on the Amazon Kindles, which have a little button you can push it or read the book for you.
	So anyway, the freedom of being able to say what I want about all these products, and I don't do it that often, but once in a while I do like a product, and this one is one of them, is the reason that this model works so well, and I want to remind people of that, and it's really shameful that somebody would think the opposite.
	Even as a joke.
	Because if we're completely sponsored by individuals, are we not supposed to talk about any product in a product-oriented universe?
	Is that what you're saying?
	So we can't mention anything?
	Oh, gee, I got my car.
	What kind of car do you drive?
	I can't say because they're not giving me money so I can't talk about it.
	It just really...
	I found the whole thing to be...
	That sort of attitude.
	By the way, that's not the first guy that brought this stuff up about native advertising.
	Oh, you plugged the guy's website when he gave you a donation of $100.
	That kind of guy.
	Yep.
	Get a clue, people.
	But that's not exactly how he sounds.
	You're not doing that part right.
	I'm sorry?
	No, you're not doing the guy right.
	Oh, no, you have the guy's voice down.
	Oh, I see you plugging the guy's website.
	You said you do take advertising.
	That's the guy.
	That's the guy.
	Yeah, your voice is a little better for that.
	But we have a few people to thank.
	James Rockle in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.
	1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
	Just says he wants some karma at the end.
	We'll give him and everybody some karma late.
	Matthew Lay...
	In London, UK, $111.11.
	Looking to make a second donation in more ways than one.
	First, to receive some brand karma as our drummer and lead guitarist are currently not on good terms.
	Oh, this is bad.
	This is bad.
	We can try.
	Ban karma is hard.
	No, no.
	Ban karma doesn't work.
	Wait a minute.
	Hold on.
	Secondly, I want to add a little incentive to keep the rain stick alive and well.
	We're going to have to use it in a minute.
	You make my sleazy call out to Rayma, the woman who...
	Okay, we'll put him on...
	She's on the list.
	We'll call out Rayma the next time we do the dance.
	Now, I'm a little...
	I'm not sure what to do here because there are conflicting reports about the rain stick.
	I get emails from people who are begging us to stop.
	Well, we need the rain here.
	And I think I had my rain stick pointed the wrong way, so I think that's what happened, that it showed up in other spots.
	We'll do it after the show.
	Yeah, okay.
	I don't know about the band.
	What are you going to do?
	You want to...
	Yeah, let's give it a shot.
	See if we can get some band karma going.
	You've got karma.
	You never know.
	And at the end, we'll do some job karma with the job thing.
	For everybody, yeah.
	Because there's a lot of requests for that.
	David Rosa in Clarkston, Michigan, $111.11.
	What band is this Matthew in?
	I have no idea.
	Since I'm coming in rather low...
	We have a lot of band guys that listen to this show.
	Since I'm coming in rather low on the donation, I doubt this will get read.
	Are you going to read everything?
	Don't read everything.
	It's...
	I'm just looking for the name.
	Tony.
	Tony!
	Okay, Tony's coming up.
	Not today.
	Michael Bramble in Taylorsville, Utah.
	He's got a nobody coming in.
	He does have a 1-11-11.
	He's making it rain, just didn't put anybody on the list.
	Maybe you should, Michael.
	Send us an email.
	Send us an email, yeah.
	Mike Nikolachuk in Saskatoon at Paris of Canada, $111.11.
	Yes, his exes Lisa and Amy to the stage.
	Kristen Zachman, Wages Nevada, $77.77.
	Paul Webb, $75.
	We got some UK people this week, this show for some reason.
	Because it's horrible weather, it's raining, and everyone's indoors listening to the show.
	I've got to play the report from Ireland.
	They're going to have this huge storm.
	I know.
	It's pounding these people.
	69!
	69, dudes!
	We have a lot of 69ers today, including Brian Brown in Orange, California.
	Chad Biderman in Round Lake, Illinois.
	Timothy Nussie in Whitby, Ontario.
	Edward Hines in Jacksonville, Florida.
	Thomas...
	Butter...
	Butterick.
	Butterick.
	Semper Fi in Flushing, Michigan.
	And then that's...
	You missed...
	For some...
	I don't know.
	You missed John Haller there from Missoula.
	Oh, I did miss John Haller.
	He's at the top.
	He's from Missoula, Montana.
	There we go.
	69!
	69, dude!
	That's right.
	6969dudes.com.
	And that is your Swazzle Noff Karma.
	Should get you laid.
	Ben Blessing, $69 flat.
	Russell Rhodes, $6789, Tallahassee, Florida.
	Gabe Shabazian.
	I like 6789.
	That's also a nice donation number.
	6789, yes, not bad.
	I like it.
	6789 must mean something.
	6666 Irvine, California from Gabe.
	Sergeant Fred, Austin, Texas, your buddy.
	I have a note.
	I have a note.
	I met with Sergeant Fred.
	He always gives us a cash donation.
	Sergeant Fred is a Vietnam veteran, and he lives around here, and he's a great guy.
	He's always doing everything for the show.
	I want to read his note.
	Adam in the morning, getting great value from the best podcasts in the universe.
	Thank you for your courage.
	How about some karma for those underpaid, overworked, and stressed-out combat infantrymen?
	And the airborne rangers that are always in harm's way, but forgotten by the douchebag elites and legislators.
	Thanks for all your quality work.
	Also, how about an F cancer for all of the complications from Agent Orange to our Vietnam veterans?
	And I tell you, if you ever have a chance, grab a beer with a veteran.
	A Vietnam veteran is even better if you can get one of those.
	If they're not dead yet.
	If you can get one of those.
	Let me tell you.
	Here comes one.
	You want to seriously have your life altered and have your brain changed when they really start to talk?
	It'll make you think a little different about the football games.
	Anyway, thank you very much, Sergeant Fred.
	Double nickels on the dime.
	And I will hand out the karma as requested to you and all others.
	Go!
	You've got karma.
	There you go.
	Todd Rathkamp in Rippon, Wisconsin, 55.
	Robert Love, Orlando, Florida, $52.
	And now these are all $50 donations.
	We'll wrap it up with Corey Bennett in Antioch, California.
	Christopher Walker, $50.
	Dominic Doran in Atlanta, Georgia.
	Matthew Januszewski.
	In Chicago, Chicago.
	Patrick Mackom, Mackom in Mount Vernon, New York.
	Dan Greb in Lansdale, Pennsylvania.
	Brett Farrell, a regular in Oklahoma City.
	We'll wrap it up for the donations for show 5, 8, 9, 11 shows to go.
	We'll be at show 600.
	Are we doing a special 600 club?
	Is there something?
	Yeah, I was in the news.
	You don't read the newsletter.
	Yeah, I forgot.
	Yeah, we're doing a 600 club, a celebration club.
	You get a double producer credit.
	You get the credit when you donate 600.
	It also goes to knighthood, of course.
	And then you get a second credit on show 600, so you get two things you can put in your IMDB. Nice.
	And, of course, you get to celebrate 600 episodes of the best podcast in the universe.
	And please think about us and what we're doing for your Sunday show.
	Sundays, for some reason, I don't know if it's the time of year, if it's...
	I don't know what it is.
	I have no idea what's going on.
	But Sundays have been hard for us.
	And I don't like the yo-yo lifestyle, if you know what I mean.
	So please go to dvorak.org slash N-A.
	All right, Joseph Gaze celebrates on the 8th, two days from now, and we say happy birthday to him.
	Eric Brown says happy birthday to his twins, Naomi and Noah.
	They turn six tomorrow, and Russell Rhodes says happy birthday to his son, Bikram, turns four on February 8th.
	Hope you're recording this.
	Happy birthday from your buddies here at The Best Podcast in the Universe!
	And then we have two knightings.
	One knighting and a daming, which is always nice.
	So if you can just grab your sword.
	Yeah, here.
	Very good.
	To the stage, please.
	Becky Bressler.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	It's a different segment.
	To the roundtable, Becky Bressler and Joseph Gaze.
	Both of you have supported the No Agenda show in the amount of $1,000 or more.
	And therefore, we are very proud to welcome you to the roundtable of the Knights and the Dames.
	And hereby pronounce these, sir, Joseph Gaze and Dame Becky Bressler.
	Knight and Dame of the No Agenda roundtable for you.
	We've got hookers and blow, rent boys and chardonnay, three gations, a bucket of chicken fried chicken, Cuban cigars, a single malt scotch, Cannabis and Cabernet, vodka and vanilla, bong, hit some bourbon, or maybe just some mutton and mead, and go to noagendanation.com slash rings, pick them up, and of course, Becky, you received that from your wonderful night, so now both of you can take a seat at the table, and you can hit each other in the mouth.
	You can gang up on people and do mouth hitings.
	It's a beautiful one.
	It's in the family.
	I really appreciate that.
	Um...
	Okay, I've been tracking Euroland a little bit.
	Of course, the reason to track it is we have the European elections coming up in a couple months.
	A lot of different things are happening, and a deal has finally been reached, and this is what I was most interested in, on the bail-in of the banks.
	You'll recall that this was tested in Cyprus.
	Was it Cyprus?
	Yeah, it was Cyprus.
	And now the European Parliament and Council presidency negotiators reached an agreement yesterday on the bank recovery and resolution directive.
	And the idea is that this will be the bail-in principle instead of bail-out principle.
	So the first people who would get screwed due to a bank failure would be shareholders and creditors before the public...
	uses tax money, which has been the case for the past, what is it now, five, six years?
	Particularly in the Netherlands, I might point out.
	Here's the rub.
	This does not go into effect until January 2016.
	And a lot could happen before then.
	As it turns out, only six banks in the EU... Have almost $2 trillion worth of exposure in the emerging markets.
	Total value is $3.4 trillion.
	This, of course, is the Argentina, Turkey.
	What other countries do we have that are screwed up?
	I mean, didn't Venezuela?
	I think Venezuela's got a huge problem.
	It's just coming apart.
	It's like a basket case.
	Yeah, well, it was poorly managed.
	And so these banks have all these, have loaned all this money to these emerging markets, and I presume the only thing for them to do now is to inflate their money in order to print more to pay it back, but I think this is why we're seeing all kinds of, it's not just the Fed's $10 billion less tapering.
	I think that there's a real problem with the European banks.
	Have you and Horowitz had any discussions about this?
	No.
	I'd be very curious to hear what he has to say.
	All right.
	And I think that this bail-in directive is a great idea, but it's just kind of covering up because it won't go into effect until 2016.
	I think we could see some real problems with the big European banks in the next year, even.
	Well, they're pretty good at juggling it.
	If you can only juggle so much until it just ends.
	Well, they obviously can juggle to 2016 or they wouldn't have gone for this.
	That's the way I see it.
	No, I see exactly the opposite.
	They pushed it off to 2016 because it's going to happen before then, which means it'll be taxpayers' money.
	That's what I'm thinking.
	Oh, that's a good logic.
	I like it.
	Yeah, stick to taxpayers.
	Yeah.
	Well, the European taxpayers are screwed.
	There's no doubt about it.
	And there's all this crap going on.
	Can you play a little clip, just this crazy clip from Ireland?
	I don't know.
	I shouldn't be watching.
	This is Irish news.
	It's actually Irish news.
	Okay.
	But the 14 inches of rain.
	Next to their property.
	Since early morning, Cork City has been preparing for what is expected to be the worst flood in many years.
	There is a lot of apprehension.
	We've all come in with welly boots now this morning.
	Preparation for this evening because yesterday morning was absolutely horrific and the water was very, very high.
	I don't think any of us experienced the height of the water.
	And the memory of yesterday's floods were still vivid.
	Rose Cronin is just one trader that got hit, and she only opened her business before Christmas.
	We're expecting wash to come into about 12 or 14 inches tonight.
	That's what the expectation is.
	So I've got to clear all my stock now, every shelf.
	This is not so good.
	14 inches?
	That is a lot of rain.
	That's a lot of rain.
	That's like South American style, you know, rainforest stuff.
	There's all kinds of stuff happening in the UK. There's train tracks washing out.
	Yeah, corn walls being washed away.
	Hold on a second.
	It's a mess.
	There you go, Ireland.
	From the Hillary...
	By the way, I don't believe anyone's ever used the effects of a rain stick on a podcast or a broadcast.
	So it's just not localized.
	In other words, the noise is not just a local noise, this magical noise.
	It's actually showing up everywhere.
	It may be a dangerous thing to do.
	We should probably stop.
	We should consult the manual, perhaps.
	Well, I didn't get a manual of mine.
	From the Hillary 2016 department, never ceases to amaze.
	First of all, someone put a I'm ready for Hillary bumper sticker in my mailbox.
	All right!
	I'm looking at you, Armando.
	I bet you.
	I think it was the mailman.
	I think he's playing a joke on me.
	Yeah, I'm sure he is.
	That was funny.
	I sent one to Mimi.
	Have you followed this Tom Sizemore, Elizabeth Hurley, Bill Clinton story?
	No.
	Oh, this is great.
	So this actor, I've never heard of him, Tom Sizemore.
	Yeah, he's famous.
	He is?
	Yeah.
	Well, so he...
	There's a tape of it.
	The tape is not...
	I mean, it's all transcribed and I didn't want to get anything.
	It's not worth a clip.
	But he essentially is talking about how he introduced Elizabeth Hurley to Bill Clinton and how Bill Clinton, like, pushed him into a corner and said, you know, give me her number.
	I'm the commander-in-chief.
	I'm going to fucking kill you if you don't give me her number.
	This was when he was president?
	Yes.
	And so they sent a plane for Hurley, and she got on the plane within an hour, flew down to the White House, and was there for four days.
	And Bill was just ravishing the crap out of her for four days.
	And now Sizemore is taking it all back.
	Oh yeah, she threw it with a gun to his head.
	Yeah, but it's hilarious.
	I love this.
	It makes so much sense.
	And you see pictures of Elizabeth Hurley and Bill Clinton.
	I'm like, yeah, he's totally doing her.
	It's just...
	Everything is coming up.
	Kennedy was one of his heroes.
	They're doing anything they can to...
	It's all starting now.
	It's going to be fun.
	This is all part of...
	This is campaigning, of course.
	Yes, of course it is.
	It's going to be great.
	There are people that would like to get that job and may not like Hillary getting the job.
	And so the best way to get at Hillary is to embarrass her because she's obviously...
	This makes her look like, well, she can't even drag her own household what's going on.
	And why could she be president?
	She can't even tell that her old man is screwing Elizabeth Hurley.
	It's not as though she's...
	Elizabeth Hurley's not unrecognizable.
	Or is the maid.
	So that's what the point of it is, obviously.
	I fear for Bill.
	So they're going to have to kill him.
	That's what I was thinking.
	I fear for Bill.
	This is not good for his health.
	What we predicted is she's going to kill him for votes eventually, but it may be sooner.
	You may win because your bet was it's going to be...
	Before the election.
	Like, no, I was before the election.
	I thought you were like this year.
	It was like the next six months.
	Yeah, you might want to pull the Red Book predictions because now I'm uncertain what the timing was.
	I'll dig it up.
	Whatever the case.
	I will.
	It's in the other...
	I know where I can find that one.
	But I can...
	It's just...
	Yeah.
	Bill is in trouble.
	He needs to lay very low for a while.
	Elizabeth Hurley?
	That tramp?
	Well, she is.
	Let's be honest.
	I think...
	She's always been looking for the guy that would...
	Take care of her.
	This is my own.
	I have no idea.
	I don't know.
	It's my perception, and it's bad of me to think this, but I've always felt that she would go for any guy that would take care of her so she could do a role here and then.
	Isn't she married to that Indian guy?
	Didn't she settle for an Indian guy at the end?
	I don't know.
	That's a good question.
	Probably some rich guy.
	First, it was Hugh.
	Let's book her up on the Book of Knowledge.
	Oh, please.
	No, I think she got married to some Indian guy.
	I'm going to find out.
	You can't be suppositioning.
	Elizabeth Hurley.
	Tom Sizemore blames Hurley.
	Okay, I got that part.
	Yeah.
	She's pretty.
	Hurley denies Bill.
	She's beautiful.
	She's very sexy.
	Yeah, she's a good-looking woman.
	But you've got to Google the pictures of her and Bill, and she's, like, rubbing his back.
	It's so obvious.
	Well, she was last seen with fashion designer Valentino at the 2007 Cannes Film Festival.
	Where does it say she's married?
	Partners.
	She's got partners.
	Hugh Grant to 2000, and he ran off with a black woman.
	Shane Warney, W-A-R-N-E. Didn't Hugh run off with a black man?
	I thought it was a transsexual that he was caught with.
	Wasn't it transsexual?
	It was a black transsexual.
	It was a black person.
	Black hooker.
	No, it was a black hooker.
	Who cares about the color?
	Alright, whatever.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Take notes, people.
	It was just a black guy.
	Black chick.
	Let's see.
	Personal life.
	She had a couple kids.
	One, at least.
	Just by some casual guy.
	The kids always get in the way of screwing the president.
	That's annoying.
	Oh, here it is.
	In late 2002, here's just old news.
	Hurley started dating Indian textile heir.
	Aaron Nayar, who runs a small software company since 98.
	She likes nerds.
	Hurley and Nayar married...
	Oh, okay, you got me on this one.
	They got married at Suddeli Castle in 2007, had a second traditional Hindu wedding, Indian celebration, blah, blah, blah.
	Hurley, whose net worth is estimated at 13 million pounds, raised a 200-acre...
	Really?
	Resided on a 400-acre organic farm in Bamsley, Gloucester.
	All right.
	I don't think I care that much anymore.
	I'm just trying to figure out if she's still married to this guy.
	I can't tell.
	All right, whatever.
	I heard a very interesting...
	Divorced him in 2011.
	Okay.
	So she got some money, but the whole bill thing was much earlier.
	I was listening to this thing on, I was stuck in traffic the other day, I was listening to NPR, and I think it was Fresh Air, with Terry Gross, Fresh Air, and she had this author on, a book about, I think it was like, the joy, all joy and no fun of having children.
	It's just, this Hurley thing reminded me of that.
	And all studies point to the fact that children have changed, that parenthood has changed in the past, like, two generations, where kids used to be an economic plus to the family.
	You have some kids and you put them to work.
	Yeah, make them do something.
	Yeah, but now it has turned around into they've become this incredible burden and we have to ensure their happiness and make sure they don't get scratched or cut or damaged.
	Helicopter parent.
	Well, and that pretty much across the board every study shows that kids make people unhappy.
	Like, yeah, yeah.
	We should get back to that and put them to work.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you've done that very well.
	I love how you've put your kids to work all the time.
	They like to work.
	Yeah, well, I think kids in general like to work.
	It's just not, if you don't bring them up that way, then they don't know what it is.
	That's the problem.
	Yeah, they do stuff, and they, you know, pound nails and do books.
	Pound?
	I can't keep writing.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Pound nails.
	And what was the other one?
	Do books.
	Like the accounting?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Who was pounding names?
	They're all computer literate, which is kind of interesting.
	Yeah, it's handy.
	Yeah.
	I've been following the Panama Canal.
	You brought this up a few episodes ago where work has stopped.
	And I've been looking into...
	They want to broaden this canal.
	This is a big problem.
	Everyone's...
	Ready for this canal to be widened so they can bring in the big ships.
	In fact, they're already constructing new ships based upon the Panama Canal widening.
	The new locks will accommodate ships carrying up to 12,000 containers.
	Currently, that's 5,000 is the limit.
	And we were looking at the financing.
	There's a dispute between the builder and the Panama Canal Authority and the Spanish builders and the financiers.
	And so it's going through the courts.
	That's what's happening.
	There is a dispute.
	But no one really can explain what it is.
	I guess it's not...
	Someone can explain it.
	I don't think the documents have been published yet.
	But here's what I was looking for.
	There is a competing canal being built through Nicaragua.
	That's the one the Chinese are financing.
	Well, you know, Nicaragua was the original location for the Nicaraguan Canal.
	And so you have a very funny story behind it.
	It was apparently easier to dig...
	The Panama area, if you see any of these documentaries about that canal, it was a nightmare.
	And apparently it still is.
	Because of the conditions and the distance that you had to go up and down.
	And...
	I guess it was easier to do one, even though it was a lot longer to do one in Nicaragua.
	But what had stopped it was, kind of a weird story, what stopped it was a stamp.
	There was a bunch of competing groups, and the U.S. Post Office produced a stamp celebrating this alternative route, and they had on the stamp an active volcano that was actually erupting.
	So the U.S. Congress said, nix that route.
	No, we're not going to do that.
	I don't like the mushroom cloud on your stamp.
	So, anyway, that's one story.
	We have a lot of listeners.
	Well, not a lot.
	We have listeners in Panama.
	One of them has a hotel.
	Yeah, we're invited.
	Or you are.
	I don't remember my invite, but maybe.
	No, no, of course you're invited, please.
	I'd love to visit Panama.
	It's supposed to have been modernized.
	It's really supposed to be a happening spot now.
	Well, he sent me a few pictures.
	It's beautiful.
	I never got some pictures.
	No, well, I think you were on the list.
	Then, let's see.
	Oh, yes.
	Google has struck a deal with the European Union to make, quote, significant changes to In their search results to avoid a multi-billion euro fine.
	This is the result.
	This is, I find, fascinating for just a couple reasons.
	This ends a three-year investigation, anti-competitive, anti-competition investigation, that Google gives higher rankings and preference to products they own in their search results.
	And to avoid this fine, Google has said, okay, we're going to settle.
	However, this is the rub, which is the second time I've said that today.
	The competing search engines are not allowed to review the changes Google will be making.
	So the European Competition Commissioner Joaquin Almunia struck a deal with Google And they said, okay, we're going to change what we do, but we're not going to tell everybody what it is.
	We're not going to let the competition review it.
	Which I think is...
	They're going to get away with that?
	Well, it looks like it.
	It could be bull crap.
	Yeah, it looks like it.
	Wow, these guys are idiots.
	You got Google by the balls.
	I think you got to squeeze, not just let them, okay, whatever.
	Well, you'll recall that Joachim is one of the guys who was being tapped by the NSA. You gotta think, maybe they got a little something on him.
	Hey, listen to this call.
	Hey, baby.
	Hi, honey.
	Okay, what are you going to do now?
	Yeah, what are you wearing?
	Oh, can you touch yourself?
	Yeah, that'd be great.
	Oh, Joachim, I'm so sorry.
	We need to wrap this up.
	You know, we have...
	Well, I'm not going to go into too many stories.
	I want to play this clip of the Central African Republic so we keep these people updated on all hell breaking loose in Central Africa.
	Douglas Herbert, International Affairs Editor, joins me on set.
	Welcome, Doug.
	Welcome.
	Speaking of the Central African Republic, I mean, about 50 vehicles surrounded the town of Cebu.
	It's north of the capital, Bangi, and it's sending its 25,000 residents fleeing for safety.
	It's turning out to be more difficult in Central African Republic for French troops than Mali.
	Yeah, it's an entirely different ballgame, to use a sporting metaphor for the French.
	Mali, within a few days and weeks, the French were able to rack up, at least spin it, as success in many respects, having driven the Islamists back, at least into their sort of redoubts in the north.
	Central African Republic has been a humanitarian and a security disaster for the French on all fronts.
	You have 1,600 French troops basically working alongside an overwhelmed African peacekeeping force of 4,600.
	The EU is going to be sending in its own contingent of about 500 to 600, unclear which countries will contribute what.
	They're all in over their heads.
	We have had basically a Christian majority, militias called the anti-Balaka, On the rampage in many areas against a much smaller Muslim minority.
	Muslims about 10 to 15 percent of the country.
	It's been both sides obviously responsible here for atrocities.
	It's been tit-for-tat killings.
	You've had this spiral of sectarian violence.
	And what you've had basically is the minority Muslim militias, the ones who had originally taken power, toppled the president, the then president last year in March.
	They've been pushed back.
	They have been basically confined to barracks in the northwest, also around the capital, Bangui.
	But the problem is now they are watching Muslims.
	They're sitting in their barracks, seeing Muslims falling victim prey to these Christian militias.
	It is an absolute bloody mess.
	No one really knows what to do.
	A lot of the French soldiers are not even – they're afraid to get out of their tanks.
	They are seen as hostile, sometimes by all sides, not protecting one or the other.
	And there have been warnings, very grim warnings, that this thing could escalate into all-out genocide.
	It's not there yet, but the ethnic-religious undertones and overtones of this conflict are extremely scary, and some say a microcosm of what could spill across the region if they don't find a solution.
	Yeah, this is very, very bad, and I'm just waiting for the UN resolution to come in, because the French aren't doing their job.
	The French can't do the job.
	They don't know what they're...
	If it was us, and I don't believe we have too much...
	I could be wrong, and I'm probably wrong when I say what I'm going to say.
	I don't think we have too much involvement in this.
	There's only one pipeline that goes through Carr to Cameroon.
	And I get the sense that, you know, it's just...
	You know, if there's anybody over there, it's people like our economic hitman who wouldn't be there, obviously.
	But it's just these groups.
	It wouldn't be the State Department.
	No.
	Which, by the way, also says that things can really get rebelized without our help.
	So it's not like we need to be there to make things worse.
	But we are everywhere in Africa.
	And everything that comes out of the Department of Defense is all pointing towards a future in Africa once the rebelization of the Middle East is complete, of course.
	We still need to work on that a little bit.
	Yeah, well, I think the Middle East is getting pretty close to being completely rebelized.
	We'll see, but anyway.
	Well, then I have a report from Belgistan.
	How's things going in Belgium, Stan?
	Well, not so good.
	Now, we've played some of this guy's stuff before.
	Dale Hurd from CBN. Now, this is the Christian Broadcast Network, so it's definitely skewed.
	However, my darling wife, Ms.
	Mickey, has lived in Brussels.
	I have lived near Antwerp.
	And she witnessed this in the 90s.
	So imagine this report, which is not brand new.
	It's almost a year old, but I had not heard this report yet.
	It's really pretty incredible when you hear what's happening in Belgium.
	The graffiti says it all.
	Welcome to Belgistan.
	By the way, this guy's voice, I just need him to read for me all the time.
	Welcome to Belgistan.
	The graffiti says it all.
	Muslims are still a minority in Belgium, but in the capital of Brussels, they're already the largest religious group, one quarter of the city's population, and are expected to be the majority in less than 20 years.
	Another 2030 reference.
	The most confrontational Muslim group here is Sharia for Belgium, which used shouting and threats to shut down a debate by moderate Muslims a few months ago.
	Yeah!
	I sat down and talked to the leader of Sharia for Belgium, Faud Baukassem, alias Abu Imran.
	Sharia for Belgium is a small group that a lot of people don't take seriously.
	But he sounded very serious when he told me that he expects Muslims to rule Belgium and the world.
	We believe that the Sharia will dominate.
	The Sharia will be implemented worldwide.
	Sharia for Belgium is a public relations nightmare for those Muslim groups which try to play down their ties to radicalism and Sharia law.
	Imran was completely open with CBN News, saying Islam and Sharia law are inseparable, and democracy is wrong.
	Sharia is Islam, to be clear.
	There is no difference between Islam and Sharia.
	It's just a name.
	Democracy is the opposite of Sharia and Islam.
	We believe that Allah is the legislator.
	Allah makes the laws.
	He is the one who tells us what's allowed and what's forbidden.
	I know some Muslims who think of themselves as Democrats and they say they're against Sharia.
	Are they real Muslims?
	Yeah, that's really funny when I hear someone saying, yeah, I was speaking to a democratic Muslim.
	It's the same thing as saying I was speaking to a Christian Jew or to a Jewish Muslim or something like that.
	It's impossible.
	Do you think that's true, John?
	Do you think that that is...
	That there is a big group that believes that that is completely impossible, that you cannot be a democratic Muslim, that a Muslim, you have to be...
	Yeah, no, I think this is a litany.
	I've heard this before.
	I think some course of study would lead you to that conclusion.
	Yeah, no problem.
	Wow.
	You want to hear more?
	I mean, I find it's a fascinating report.
	How could you meet a Jewish Muslim or a Christian Jew?
	And the Muslim that says he's against Sharia, he's not a Muslim.
	It's impossible.
	Like in many countries across Europe, a culture war over Islam is well underway in Belgium.
	Last month, the mosque of Sharlawa was desecrated with the mask of a pig head.
	Ha!
	Then the daughter of the head of Belgium's right-wing party, Anne Sophie de Winter, posed in a bikini and burqa with the words in Dutch, freedom or Islam.
	Someone painted over this poster, giving her a full burqa.
	They also painted over freedom, and Sophie de Winter received death threats.
	No good can come of this.
	No, no, it's a culture.
	You know, people mock it, but I think it's a, with this group, not the moderate Muslims, who are trying to get out from under these guys.
	Who, by the way, are not...
	These guys are just a bad group of people.
	Yeah, and I'm not getting tons of emails from moderate Muslims saying, wow, yeah, right on.
	I'm just not seeing it.
	So please, send me some info.
	I don't think we have that many Muslims that listen to the show.
	Why not?
	I think we certainly must have some.
	Well, maybe you'll get some notes from some.
	We had a couple of guys that were a little more active on the show, then they disappeared.
	Let me just fast forward to the end of this report, because what the guy says there I think is kind of the main point.
	There will be a majority of Muslims here in Belgium.
	Even the city Antwerp, more than 40% of the children in the schools are Muslims.
	So it's just a matter of time.
	No problem.
	We don't have any problem.
	And Imran offered this advice to white native Belgians.
	If they want to push us back or something like that, I don't know, maybe they can start to marry four wives and have a lot of children.
	Start with that, maybe they will have a chance, but I don't think so.
	There you go.
	Them fighting words.
	That wraps it up.
	You need four...
	Hey, by the way, I'm all for it.
	Four wives.
	Woo!
	A lot of children to work.
	Yeah, there's four.
	You can go beyond.
	I mean, four is what the current thinking is, but I think they could go on.
	Yeah, that's what you need is like four wives.
	I was thinking, I had you more in mind, quite honestly.
	Well, four wives, the way I do things, is possible.
	They'll all be in different places.
	So I do want to...
	I forgot to give the jobs karma for our call-outs.
	I'm so sorry.
	Hold on a second.
	And I also want to...
	I got a note, by the way, a letter on one of the checks that came in from Thomas Butterick, who's a sergeant in the Marines.
	And he has a signature that is like...
	If this guy's not an artist, he should be.
	I mean, it's the best signature I've ever seen on a note.
	It's like a block.
	It looks like a square when it's all done and finished.
	He wanted a shout out to his brother Samuel, so I'm going to give him that.
	And also add him to the job karma.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got karma.
	There you go.
	Jobs, karma.
	Okay, I think we're done for today.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, all the other stuff is minor.
	Unless you have something else.
	I think we've covered the main bases.
	I guess what we'll be waiting for now is to see the opening of the Sochi games.
	With the dog?
	We're waiting for a dog.
	It'll be one of those little...
	The other thing you can do, what kind of a dog?
	Since we both agree there's going to be a dog, what do you think?
	I think it's going to be a small, yappy dog that jumps a lot.
	Like a mid-sized dog, like the poodle-sized dog, and he's going to be jumping a lot.
	No, I think it'll be more of a...
	And running around like crazy, and they're going to chase him, and they won't be able to catch him.
	He's going to be one of those.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	I was thinking more one of those mongrels that, you know, the shaggy and kind of like, has like three...
	A piece of crap looking dog that's beat?
	Has three legs.
	A tripod?
	It's like hopping around, trying to make it in.
	I was thinking one of those.
	We'll have to see.
	Anyway, Newland's got her job cut out for her.
	She needs to get that, roll that dog in there.
	But that may save her job, as a matter of fact.
	If she can pull that one off.
	Keep an eye on this.
	I think this thing has got legs.
	By the way, I agree with her.
	F the EU? Yeah, because of all the things that are going on, as far as I'm concerned, she's right on the money, but this is not going to fly with anybody.
	I'm on her side with F the EU. The chat room is suggesting a dingo instead of a dog.
	A wild kangaroo just bouncing around.
	It never kicks that.
	All right, everybody.
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