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	I do have a little entremant.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	And it's Sunday, January 19th, 2014.
	Time for your Gimo Nation Media Assassination, episode 584.
	This is no agenda.
	Working as a non-shielded journalist from FEMA Region 6 to the Travis Heights hideout in Austin, Texas.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, it's bingo.
	Yeah, bingo, that's my name.
	Yeah?
	Well?
	Are you supposed to say, I'm John C. Dvorak?
	No, bingo.
	I've changed my name to Bingo.
	It's Crackpot and Buzzkill.
	In the morning!
	What is that?
	I figured...
	I was thinking about this this morning.
	Oh, God.
	Why would you have a network TV show, MSNBC, and have a guy named Touré...
	That's not his name.
	You want to be known as Bingo.
	I think Bingo is a good name.
	Well, hold on.
	But then I want like a Toure type name.
	I'll be Ringo.
	It's Bingo and Ringo.
	No, no, no.
	We can't have rhyming names.
	Bingo and Ringo.
	Well, why are you Bingo?
	Let's have Dingo come on the show.
	We have a trio.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	That's his name.
	His name is Toure, isn't it?
	Wait, was he born?
	Okay, lady, here's the birth certificate.
	Does he have a first name?
	No.
	Last name?
	No.
	It's just Torre.
	No, that's not possible.
	Right, but that has to be his actual first name, I think.
	Could be his last name.
	Well, let's take a look.
	What kind of a first name is Torre?
	Torre.
	Torre Neblet.
	Neblet?
	N-E-B-L-E-T-T. Neblet.
	Is that his name?
	Yes.
	Touré.
	Born Touré Neblet.
	He's an American writer and television personality.
	And he was born...
	Where was he born?
	He was born...
	Doesn't he call himself Neblet?
	Well, I'm calling him Neblet from now on, that's for sure.
	I am too.
	That's definitely Neblet.
	He's from Boston.
	That's a very Bostonian name.
	Oh, I didn't realize that was actually some first name that he has, so I guess bingo doesn't work.
	I just have to be John.
	Yeah, no.
	Wow, you've really thrown me for a loop once again.
	Unexpected.
	Huh.
	Yeah.
	We could start the show over, but...
	I'm not going to start the show over.
	Absolutely not.
	Yeah, bingo's good.
	Yeah.
	For today's show only, though.
	Before we get underway, first I have to say I cheated a little bit yesterday.
	Just a teeny-weeny-weeny a little bit.
	Wait, you didn't go to the spinning class?
	I went to the spinning class.
	No, it was Friday.
	Yesterday I spent most of the day prepping, doing everything, working really hard.
	We had a late lunch, didn't have dinner because we were invited to go to see Tony Bennett perform live here in Austin.
	He's still alive?
	87 years old.
	And let me tell you, and he only does like an hour and 15 minutes, you know, so we were out the door at 9.30 with everybody else with their walkers and Zimmer frames.
	But a friend of ours, Eric Copper, he had a balcony, you know, like a whole side of the balcony was champagne.
	It was completely perfect.
	You were in the champagne room?
	Yes!
	And Tony Bennett, and this guy's unbelievable.
	Let's hope so.
	At the very end, he does like two encores.
	At the very end, he does, what's the song?
	Fill my heart with Fly Me to the Moon, I think.
	And he starts off the song.
	Fill my heart?
	Somehow you jump from that to Fly Me to the Moon?
	It's Fly Me to the Moon, yeah.
	Fill my heart with the song.
	Let Jupiter Mars.
	Yeah, it's Fly Me to the Moon.
	But after, he starts the song off and then he puts the microphone down and sings the rest of the song unamplified.
	87 years old.
	And you're sitting there like, holy crap, this guy, where is it coming from?
	It was quite spectacular.
	It was a lavalier.
	Thanks, John.
	Buzzkill.
	And then I had some news for you, which I think you'll enjoy.
	But we hosted, so Miss Mickey has an art expo coming up the 22nd of February here in Austin.
	That's a really big deal, and it's with another artist, Peggy Weiss.
	And Peggy Weiss, she and her husband Ron, ran probably one of the most famous restaurants in Austin for, I don't know, 30 years called Jeffrey's.
	And they just recently sold their majority stake there in their 60s and...
	And so we had them over, and somehow I got kind of wrangled into, yeah, they'll come over and you'll cook.
	Let me tell you something.
	Cooking for famous restauranteurs is intimidating.
	Yeah, I would think.
	Incredibly intimidating.
	So I went for my standard, my surefire, the one I know will always work.
	Which is?
	The double-dip depression slave stew.
	Oh yeah, that will always work.
	And let me read to you.
	Email I got from Ron.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	Okay, yeah, okay.
	What?
	So you're proud of yourself, and now you're going to read your own?
	Again, you've only done this a couple of times, but I've called you out every time.
	What?
	You're going to read fan mail.
	It's actually fan mail for you.
	Oh.
	Okay, go ahead.
	So, you know, the niceness, niceties, da-da-da, thanks again.
	I was serious about the stew recipe.
	Virtually all stews are boring.
	Comforting, comforting, but not unique.
	That's bull trap, by the way.
	Well, listen, he says, comforting, but not unique.
	The one you prepared from John's recipe was full of great flavors that all matched up.
	There you go.
	Your fan mail, douche.
	Yeah, whatever.
	I make stew about...
	Every country has their own name for stew.
	Stew is the American name, or maybe British.
	But the French have beef bourguignon, and the Belgians have the carbonade, and everyone has their own thing.
	But goulash in Hungary, they're all stews.
	They just get different angles to them.
	And so if you use all these different angles, like carbonade's made with beer, for example, instead of wine...
	Americans typically made with, I use chicken broth.
	And you can do different things.
	And you can get some pretty nice flavors out of those things.
	And if you cook them long enough and the meat falls apart the way it should.
	Yeah, I had the perfect chuck.
	How long did you cook it?
	It was pretty much there three and a half hours in.
	Yeah, three and a half nails it.
	It was good to go.
	But I got the chuck that had some of the sinewy kind of fat in there, and then it really kind of falls apart just perfectly.
	Not too much, but it gets all stringy, and it was good.
	It was the best I've ever made it.
	I have to say.
	Oh, good.
	Well, you were under the gun.
	Yeah, I was very into it.
	And then, of course, to top it off, I served Dame Elise Garling's limoncello.
	Oh!
	Yeah, yeah.
	I said, oh, this is from one of our listeners.
	What?
	Oh, hold on, John.
	Is your automatic gain set or something?
	You just went away.
	Off the face of the earth.
	Yeah, kind of.
	You just double check that for me?
	Okay, now.
	Oh, well.
	Make some mouse coordination.
	It's a damn.
	Ah, yeah, so it is.
	Yeah, see, I knew it.
	Yeah, just little things you got to do.
	Okay, well, readjust me because...
	There you go.
	Yeah, talk a little bit.
	Hello.
	Let me read from my list of clips.
	No, it's okay.
	You're good to go.
	So I got my machine back, my old Windows 7 white machine, the big one that was built for us by our night.
	Oh, and this is the one that had the corrupt hard drive.
	That's what I thought.
	Oh.
	So I dig in through it, and I have to realize, this guy made a great machine.
	I lost track of him.
	I should have visited him or called him.
	So what it was, and I tear the machine open to see what's going on.
	The machine is beautiful inside.
	And it's running, and the boot disk is a 500 gigabyte SSD. Oh.
	Which I didn't realize.
	That should make it really fast.
	That makes it worth that.
	I mean, when he built this thing, the thing must have cost a grand.
	Hmm.
	So I decided I'm dicking around.
	I can't believe the SSD was blowed up.
	So I hooked it to another machine and it showed up fine.
	Everything looked kosher.
	So I started looking around and I ended up looking at the BIOS. And apparently what had happened, the only way I can figure this out, the SSD itself never showed up as a list of bootable drives.
	Okay, so there was a problem with the, you mean in the BIOS? Yeah.
	It must have been like a power surge.
	Something zapped the machine and it screwed up the...
	The BIOS. Yeah, the BIOS. Yeah, the BIOS got a hit on it.
	Right.
	So I put it back in there.
	It boots right.
	Fine.
	Everything's great.
	Eh.
	It turned out not to be a big deal.
	I mean, just a matter of fact.
	You've just given up too early.
	Like, after one...
	Okay, here's a...
	John's computer won't boot up.
	Piece of shit's broken.
	I need a new one.
	Me and everyone else.
	Not the kind of thing you normally expect to happen.
	Now, people who are relatively new to the program, and I think that we're getting new people every single day, and it's very difficult often for them to just jump right in and understand how we work, but it is important to reiterate that John and I rarely but pretty much never communicate with each other outside of the show itself.
	So I have no idea what he's reading, what he's listening to, what he's watching.
	The reverse is the same.
	And on show days, we kind of show up, and I got my stuff that I'm thinking I want to talk about, and John has his stuff, and I really don't know.
	And we catch up.
	Yeah, literally, we're catching up.
	And I have no idea what he's going to come up with clip-wise, and I don't listen to it.
	I have no idea what they contain, but I can read some of the titles.
	And I'm very happy to see that somehow after six years, we're now in our seventh year, I guess you kind of thought, eh, eh, Curry will do the Obama speech.
	I did.
	I was correct in assuming that.
	It's funny because we both assume that the other guy's going to do one of these, and we usually are right.
	I don't think it's ever been the case where we're both wrong and we never have the clips.
	No, that has never happened.
	We've both had issues and we've both had clips, but never...
	Yeah, sometimes then we have dueling clips.
	My clip is better than your clip.
	So, of course, I was particularly interested in this 45-minute speech by the president because on the previous program...
	On Thursday, no, a week ago we discovered the existence of Executive Order 12333.
	Although I believe we have discussed this in the past.
	It's possible, but I didn't remember it.
	Yeah, I recalled something about it.
	Well, it is an executive order signed by Ronald Reagan, and there's been some interesting amendments to it.
	And we're getting all kinds of response to this.
	In fact, there was one that was kind of funny.
	Let me see if I can just bring this up real quick.
	And this was one of these encrypted emails.
	And let me just invoke the PGP. Here we go.
	Adam Conley asked to remain anonymous.
	And the way it starts off is one of these typical...
	Usually I stop reading after this opening line.
	I was surprised to learn that you had never heard of Executive Order 1-2-3-3, considering the in-depth and often frighteningly correct analysis given on the show.
	We have discussed it before.
	Are you eating something?
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Can you hear this?
	Yeah.
	Oh, I'm opening up the new red book that is in a package.
	Oh, good.
	EO1333, however, is primarily for counterintelligence and not for general intelligence collection authority.
	This is new to me.
	It has been taken advantage of, for certain, but never intended for exploitation of the American people.
	It has been taken, as a counterintelligence professional, It is often necessary to collect information of US citizens that could potentially provide information to or be helpful.
	To the intelligence services.
	This is only to fully identify the person and to make a preliminary assessment that they are not a spy already.
	Wrap your mind around this.
	What this person is saying is that in the counterintelligence business, it's necessary to spy on people.
	Make sure they're up to no good so you can blackmail them into becoming a spy, a counter-spy on our side, a double agent, basically.
	And that's why EO12333 is good.
	Yeah, that was my response, too.
	It's like, really?
	And you think that just by encrypting your email, I'm going to fall for this?
	I thought that was pretty cool.
	That was funny.
	Anyway, so I'm very interested in what the president has to say.
	And just before his speech, I started receiving the under-embargo...
	PDFs of his PPD, his Presidential Policy Directive.
	And, of course, along with that eventually came the fact sheet from the White House.
	And I will read the only line that is important, really, from this SIGINT PPD for Signals Intelligence.
	And it's a footnote on page 5.
	You can now read this at whitehouse.gov.
	Of course, you can get it from the show notes, 584.noagendanotes.com.
	This directive is not intended to alter the rules applicable to U.S. persons in Executive Order 12333, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or other applicable law.
	In other words, everything I'm doing here does not apply to the real business, which as we know from Executive Order 12333 is pretty much if the CIA says, yeah, it's okay, and the Attorney General signs off, then it's good to go.
	And then subsequently we found an amendment with an opinion that the Attorney General is allowed under U.S. law to delegate this authority to a Deputy Attorney General Or anyone else who has been sworn into office or has gone through the Senate approval process.
	So it's not just the Attorney General who can approve of spying on American citizens by the CIA or the FBI, but anyone he says can rubber stamp it.
	So pretty much everything the President said was meaningless.
	That's basically the whole point.
	It's meaningless from a legal standpoint, and really the Section 215 is, yes, metadata, very important, but it's kind of meaningless in the broad scope of what's really going on.
	And so I said, well, maybe there's something else going on in the speech, and let me listen and see if I can find something.
	And I think I did.
	I think I stumbled upon something that is quite obvious.
	It's not like a huge shocker, but it's like, oh, okay, this makes sense.
	But first, just a few words from the president to remember that anything he says, there's always a reason for.
	Nothing is left up to chance.
	These things always come back around.
	By the way, what's with the six flags on the podium?
	Have you seen this?
	If you look at the president, when they frame the shot...
	I know, they almost look like a photograph of a flag.
	When you frame the shot, it's like he has angel wings made out of American flags.
	You should Google the picture of just Obama's speech.
	Yeah, that's an interesting observation.
	But this is a recurring theme.
	So he has six flags.
	He's right in between.
	It's a subtle promotion for the amusement park.
	Yeah, which is not doing so well.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Nice.
	But it was weird.
	I was like, these things, I think they do matter.
	Well, yeah, I think it was Reagan that started really pushing the use of the, you know, surrounded by flags.
	Yeah.
	And then I think much later it became Bush who came up with the idea of putting people behind you watching the back of your head.
	Right.
	Right.
	I don't know.
	Anyway, go on.
	But these six flags, they should have more.
	Do 12 flags.
	Yeah, it could have been a thousand flights.
	Ridiculous.
	And also, whenever someone uses the word moreover in a speech, wow, that's not even good writing in general.
	Well, that is one of the, I can't remember what it's a correction for, but that's one of the auto-corrections or suggested corrections in Microsoft Word.
	Moreover?
	Yeah, I think so.
	I think I've seen it.
	I go, what?
	I've used this.
	It's a correction for what word, though?
	Oh, I can't remember.
	That's funny.
	That's funny.
	So the speechwriter's like, moreover.
	Ah, fuck it.
	Yes, put that in.
	All right, good.
	Yeah, no, I'm convinced of it.
	And he said it maybe two or three times.
	Moreover, who uses that in regular speech?
	I don't.
	It was just Microsoft Word.
	What does it even mean, moreover?
	It's like so.
	Okay.
	All right, good.
	Substitute the word so.
	So, um.
	Moreover.
	All right, so here's the president with just some interesting things I picked up along the way that I found to be interesting.
	The horror.
	First of all, whenever someone says whore instead of horror...
	Instead of horror?
	He wants to say the horror, but he says the whore.
	The whore...
	Just use that.
	Make that an evergreen.
	We just drop it in every so often.
	The horror.
	I heard this.
	I was like, nah, dude.
	Before you go on, can I say something interesting?
	Please.
	It was about time.
	The beginning of the speech, this is the reason I didn't clip it because I was annoyed.
	The beginning of the speech where he talks about Paul Revere and he talks about the Civil War.
	We're patriots and that's why we can spy on you.
	He is saying that What he's really saying, to boil it down, is there's a tradition of the Americans spying on their enemies.
	Yes.
	And then he says that's why we're spying on the American public.
	Essentially, he's saying, and we've said this before, and I've written an article about it.
	He is saying, and this is kind of a theme underlying the Snowden revelations, they perceive, and Obama himself perceives the American public as the enemy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yes, exactly.
	And that's what he says when he says, oh, Paul Revere.
	Come on.
	Yeah.
	There was a...
	I have it in the show notes.
	Let me see.
	It was...
	Was this from...
	It was really...
	It was a weird...
	Let me see who did this article.
	It might have been...
	Yeah, GigaOM.
	Who wrote it at GigaOM?
	Which I found weird.
	David Meyer.
	He wrote a very funny piece which he calls the Obama Reimagined And basically the speech is, Paul Revere was a spy and a patriot.
	We used to spy from balloons.
	We spied a lot in World War II, which was good, and also in the Cold War, but not like the East Germans.
	We spied on our activists, which was bad.
	We won the Cold War, then 9-11 happened, and we had to start spying on everyone.
	Our spies work hard and are good at networking.
	I was against warrantless wiretap when Bush was president.
	The worst excesses happened under Bush.
	We're really good at spying.
	Seriously, better than anyone else.
	And it goes on and on and on.
	It's a good piece.
	And that's exactly what he was saying, essentially.
	But there was some other little messaging in there that I think I caught.
	So again, let's get past the horror part.
	The horror of September 11th brought all these issues to the fore.
	To the fore?
	To the fore.
	I just heard that for the first time.
	To the fore on the floor.
	What is he saying?
	It brought it all to the fore.
	Does he think, maybe he really thinks he's Abraham Lincoln and he has to talk like it's, you know, 1790 or something.
	The whore brought it.
	The whore brought to the fore.
	So there was a woman involved.
	And she brought it to the fore.
	Maybe it's...
	He's rapping and rhyming.
	The whore brought it to the fore.
	September 11th brought all these issues to the fore.
	Right now!
	Made a rhyme.
	Across the political spectrum, Americans recognized that we had to adapt to a world in which a bomb could be built in a basement.
	Now...
	How in the world do you get from September 11th to everyone being all in and understanding that a bomb can be built in a basement?
	It's completely unrelated.
	I think that what we learned, if you believe in September 11th as the commission reported it, that a moving flying object can easily be turned into a bomb.
	That was what we learned.
	Not that a bomb can be built in a basement.
	Well, it gets better.
	And our electric grid could be shut down by operators an ocean away.
	This has not happened.
	When did that happen?
	It's never happened.
	Did we miss something?
	Are we falling behind?
	Apparently, we missed some things that happened on September 11th.
	People were building bombs in basements, and they were shutting down grids from another country.
	This is the kind of propaganda that really worries me.
	These are lies.
	But he's connecting it.
	Your brain has connected building bombs in basements and cyber hackers from foreign lands.
	The three B's.
	Yes, building bombs.
	It comes back in the show later, by the way, the three B's.
	Building bombs in basements and bringing down the entire grid from overseas.
	Let me just hear that again because I find this to be outrageous.
	That anyone misuses what happened on 9-11 to propagandize these untruths.
	That's what they were always slamming Bush for doing.
	Thank you.
	That we had to adapt to a world in which a bomb could be built in a basement.
	He should have said a bomb could be built in a basement in Boston.
	Now that would have been good.
	Because then it would have made sense.
	It had more alliteration.
	It would have been nice.
	A bomb could be built in a basement in Boston.
	A bomb could be built in a basement.
	In Boston.
	And our electric grid could be shut down by operators an ocean away.
	This...
	An ocean away.
	China.
	Yeah.
	We were shaken by the signs we had missed leading up to the attacks.
	How the hijackers had made phone calls to known extremists.
	And traveled to suspicious places.
	Suspicious places.
	San Diego.
	Florida.
	So we demanded that our intelligence community improve its capabilities and that law enforcement change practices to focus more on preventing attacks before they happen.
	Than prosecuting terrorists after an attack.
	Okay, so let me understand what the President is saying.
	Apparently, before 9-11, our intelligence services, all they did was wait for something to happen and then figure it out later and prosecute them.
	They were not at all thinking about preventing attacks.
	Is that what the President just told me?
	The stupid Bush guys.
	I can't believe they were so dumb.
	To never have the foresight of the horror that could occur...
	To prevent something.
	That whole piece of speech, I'm sorry, is shameful.
	Now there was something that, I got a tweet and someone alerted me to this and I'm asking, and I don't think the chat room can help, I don't think you can help, John, but maybe people listening to the podcast We'll be able to hear...
	During most of his speech, there was classical music playing.
	Did you catch this?
	No, I did not.
	And I know this piece.
	I know this classical piece.
	It's a violin concerto.
	But there's not enough of it because he leaves these long pauses.
	That's when you hear the...
	I'll try and...
	I never noticed this.
	If you turn it over...
	And so I've zoomed in, enhanced...
	And rotated the sound and chopped out the president's bits so you can hear the little pieces.
	And it's going to be horrible over Skype, so you may not be able to participate.
	And I tried to sound hound it.
	I tried Shazam, but it's just not enough and not enough.
	There's too much...
	The signal to noise is all off, so neither of those programs could figure it out.
	Then I tried whistling it into sound hound.
	I couldn't figure it out.
	I just want to know what it is, because I find it very interesting that there's classical music in the background.
	Let's listen.
	I don't think you can hear this at all, can you?
	I can hear a little bit.
	It almost sounds like Some Enchanted Evening.
	Ooh, Some Enchanted Evening?
	Yeah.
	How does that go?
	Some enchanted evening, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	It's a real classical piece.
	Maybe someone else can help us with that.
	Well, I think Some Enchanted Evening was based on some classical piece.
	I don't know.
	I never noticed that.
	It sounds like maybe there was a band playing outside, there was a party going on.
	Could have been, but it was audible, and so I'm like, wow, you know.
	Anyway, maybe someone can help us with that.
	Okay, now on to some phrases that are being brought into the lexicon that are meant to, I believe, just have your brain switch off and go, oh, okay, of course.
	These two words, one is supercomputer.
	Because, you know, that is a technical term, as you know, John.
	When you've got a supercomputer, all bets are off.
	Yeah, well, I've got one.
	Yeah.
	With a 500 gigabyte SSD. SSHD. Whatever.
	Whatever you want to call it.
	And the other word is bulk.
	And what?
	Bulk.
	Bulk?
	Yeah, this is a new term.
	Bulk.
	You mean like how spinning bulks up your thighs?
	Yeah, or bulky items pick up on Thursdays.
	You know, bulk.
	Just bulk.
	What is the definition of bulk?
	Bulk.
	The definition means bulk.
	Bigger.
	No, I don't think it.
	I think it means something else.
	It means bulk.
	Bulk.
	Big, big.
	Mass.
	Well, interesting.
	It can also mean great size or of great importance.
	Treat a product so that its quantity appears greater than it in fact is.
	Okay, so there's all kinds of ways to interpret the term bulk.
	All right.
	But in conjunction with supercomputer, I mean, obviously.
	The combination of increased digital information and powerful supercomputers.
	Woo!
	Powerful supercomputers.
	Offers intelligence agencies the possibility of sifting through massive amounts of bulk data to identify patterns or pursue leads that may thwart impending threats.
	There you go.
	So there it is in a nutshell.
	You notice the way it says may.
	May.
	Oh, yeah.
	The possibility, the capability.
	Yeah.
	So he actually has a huge performative here, and that's kind of what you're talking about.
	And we're always on the lookout for performatives or when the president will say something that really doesn't mean anything.
	And, wow, he really threw out a doozy in this one.
	To the contrary.
	Right there.
	To the contrary.
	Of what?
	In an extraordinarily difficult job.
	To the contrary.
	I'm just going to throw that in.
	Yeah, you can do it any time you want.
	To the contrary, my friend.
	To the contrary.
	To the contrary.
	I feel the 49ers are a great team.
	One in which actions are second-guessed.
	Success is unreported, and failure can be catastrophic.
	That sounds like our podcast, actually, I think.
	Let me just listen to that again.
	That sounds exactly like us.
	To the contrary.
	Difficult job.
	This podcast.
	One in which actions are second-guessed.
	Yes, the podcast is second-guessed.
	This, by the way, is an interesting meme he's bringing out, because this is a meme that's been developed by television shows.
	Yes, because they're the unsung heroes of the world.
	They save the world without getting any recognition, no medals, no nothing.
	Every show from NCIS to the old show used to be called The Agency or something, and the new show, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., which is very pro-government for some reason, which is weird considering Joss Whedon did it.
	Yeah.
	But anyway, there's this constant, you're doing it for the, you know, you're never going to get any credit.
	There's the movie, the movie with Al Pacino.
	You're never going to get any credit for anything you do, and it's a thankless job.
	That's right.
	But if you fail, you'll be, you know, get credit for that kind of thing.
	And I will say that coming from an environment of intelligence in my family, there is some truth to that.
	Yeah.
	And so I'm just laughing at how he's saying it.
	And so, yes, lots of people do a lot.
	Some people get shot up for dumb wars.
	Other people do.
	Everyone can be heroic in their own way.
	The guy's laying Ethernet cable around the Iraq compound.
	Iraq compounds are not getting any credit.
	There's a lot of people that don't.
	There's people that work for a living.
	The bus driver that takes you down the street doesn't get a bunch of credit, but if he molests a passenger, he gets in trouble.
	And credit.
	This is bullcrap.
	This has got nothing to do with intelligence.
	This is the way it is everywhere.
	Yes, thank you.
	I guess that's the point I'm trying to make.
	...is unreported, and failure can be catastrophic.
	The men and women of the intelligence community, including the NSA, consistently follow protocols designed to protect the privacy of ordinary people.
	Here it comes.
	They're not abusing authorities in order to listen to your private phone calls or read your emails.
	No.
	They're not.
	So let's listen to what the President said.
	They're not abusing it They may be doing it.
	They're just not abusing it.
	And that is a lie in itself.
	We've already known from earlier testimonies before Congress that at least two people were caught spying on their girlfriends.
	Exactly.
	Which, by the way, has seemed to have been lost in the conversation.
	Nobody even brings it up anymore.
	Who cares?
	Well, I think I'm going to prove today that a lot of this was all set up and scripted.
	Whether the president was even in the know is secondary, because we know he's not right in the speeches.
	Moreover...
	To the fore from the whore.
	So he knows he's not writing it.
	But maybe someone...
	Actually, this speech and what we're going to get to in a minute, for the first time, and I rolled this theory out of Miss Mickey, she immediately grokked to it.
	She's like...
	She what?
	She what?
	Is she okay?
	Does she need hospitalization?
	Funny enough, she might.
	And this was one of the first times...
	What does that mean, by the way?
	Grok?
	Yeah, what word is that?
	You've given him crap about using moreover and you're using grok?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I came up with it myself.
	It wasn't on my teleprompter.
	Okay, if you want to use that word, go ahead.
	Does it mean understand?
	Well, this is a word coined by Robert A. Heinlein for his 1961 science fiction novel, Stranger in a Strange Land.
	Yeah?
	And the term means to understand.
	Why isn't this more simple word that everyone knows the meaning of, understand, used in this context?
	I don't know, bingo.
	Why don't you tell me more?
	I'm just saying it's one of those words that comes out, people use it.
	I've always been befuddled by it.
	Abusing authorities in order to listen to your private phone calls or read your emails.
	That is such a telling statement.
	They're not abusing it.
	They're doing it.
	They're just not abusing it.
	Because it's completely legal.
	That's why it's no problem.
	When mistakes are made, which is inevitable in any large and complicated human enterprise, they correct those mistakes.
	Okay.
	No, they don't.
	No, they don't correct them.
	You can't correct the mistake of spying.
	How do you correct the mistake?
	You can't.
	You can admit it.
	You're just listening on your girlfriend's conversation.
	Oh, you're going to stop listening.
	Yeah, you stopped listening, but you didn't correct anything.
	You still had listened.
	Okay.
	You can't undo it.
	Laboring in obscurity, often unable to discuss their work even with family and friends.
	Boo!
	Yeah, well, we know this.
	So what?
	Yeah, I've told you when the 16-year-old niece of mine says, I can't tell you what we're doing in Japan, you don't have clearance.
	I don't even want to use the word, but I was going to say it.
	No, you don't say it.
	The men and women at the NSA know that if another 9-11 or massive cyber attack occurs...
	Now, hold on a second.
	When was the massive cyber attack?
	Did he say another...
	Well, so again, very tricky.
	Whenever another 9-11 or massive cyber attack happens...
	The men and women at the NSA know that if another 9-11 or massive cyber attack occurs...
	That's a good one.
	I think that's a ten-pointer.
	Makes it sound as though it's happened.
	Well, and I immediately am thinking, why are we not standing up and saying, hey, it looks like we were attacked by, oh, I'm sorry, the messaging now is the Russians, because it was Russian, the code was commented in Russian, that attacked Target and Neiman Marcus and countless others we are yet to understand about.
	Is that not exactly what they're supposed to be stopping?
	Is that not a massive cyber attack?
	That's a massive cyber attack.
	I think it's massive.
	They stole money.
	Which, by the way, I don't think...
	We'll get to the target thing in a minute.
	I had a mind fart about that.
	Let's continue, Obama.
	They will be asked by Congress and the media why they failed to connect the dots.
	What sustains those who work at NSA and our other intelligence agencies through all these pressures is the knowledge that their professionalism and dedication play a central role in the defense of our nation.
	Okay.
	Now, this is where all of a sudden I went, hold on a minute.
	Something fishy going on here.
	And I did some investigative journalism for you.
	Moreover, after an extended review of our use of drones in the fight against terrorist networks.
	I believed a fresh examination of our surveillance programs was a necessary next step in our effort to get off the open-ended war footing that we've maintained since 9-11.
	And for these reasons, I indicated in a speech at the National Defense University last May that we needed a more robust public discussion about the balance between security and liberty.
	Now, I heard something new here.
	Did you hear what was new?
	We need a more balanced discussion of the security versus liberty debate?
	Well, I have never heard the President say security versus liberty.
	I have heard him say security or privacy versus freedoms.
	And liberties that we hold, but not liberty.
	And I think there's a big distinction between liberty...
	I'm all ears.
	Go on.
	Okay, so if you have no liberty, you're in jail.
	Or whatever.
	It could be a physical jail.
	I've never heard him say liberty.
	So when he claimed, and this is the speech, the one he's referring to in May, is the speech...
	Where the Code Pink lady interrupted.
	It would be normally security versus privacy.
	And let's just listen again to what he's saying.
	He's saying something different here.
	At liberty.
	Sorry.
	Back it up just another...
	They're not even...
	These guys don't just want to take or eliminate privacy.
	They want to take our liberty...
	Well, this is why I caught this.
	Now listen again.
	About the balance between security and liberty.
	Security and liberty.
	So not security and privacy, not privacy and freedoms.
	Security and liberty.
	And these two things are the same, you know, different sides of the same coin.
	You know, you can be kept secure...
	In house arrest.
	Anyway, and I'm like, whoa, hold on a second.
	I'm going to go back and listen to that speech, but let's listen to the next line he says.
	So he's saying, the speech I did, the one where the Code Pink lady interrupted, and it was about the drone usage, and he says, when I started this all, I, Barack Hussein Obama, I said, we've got to have a conversation about security we've got to have a conversation about security and liberty.
	Of course, what I did not know at the time is that within weeks of my speech, an avalanche of unauthorized disclosures would spark controversies at home and abroad that have continued to this day.
	Because indeed...
	Not more than four or five weeks after this speech, where the president said apparently something about a balance between security and liberty, Edward Snowden released his documents.
	Coincidence?
	Let's go back to May 23rd and listen to what the president actually said.
	Thwarting homegrown plots presents particular challenges in part because of our proud commitment to civil liberties for all Who call America home.
	That's why in the years to come, we will have to keep working hard to strike the appropriate balance between our need for security and preserving those freedoms that make us who we are.
	Very different from liberty.
	Liberty, yeah.
	Very, very different.
	Preserving our freedoms.
	So when I heard that...
	He's again lying to the public just outrageously.
	But wait!
	There's more.
	So I was recording this, and remember now, Snowden has not happened at this point in the speech.
	There has been no huge whistleblower controversy, no Grand Greenwald, nothing of the sort, nothing.
	This is the original speech.
	This is the original speech where he did not say liberty.
	He said the freedoms that we all think are so important is completely different from liberty.
	And I just let it play...
	That means reviewing the authorities of law enforcement so we can intercept new types of communication, but also build in privacy protections to prevent abuse.
	That means that even after Boston, we do not deport someone or throw somebody in prison in the absence of evidence.
	That means putting careful constraints on the tools the government uses to protect sensitive information, such as the state secrets doctrine.
	And that means finally having a strong Privacy and Civil Liberties Board to review those issues where our counterterrorism efforts and our values may come into tension.
	Now, the Justice Department's investigation of national security leaks offers a recent example of the challenges involved in striking the right balance between our security and our open society. .
	As Commander-in-Chief, I believe we must keep information secret that protects our operations and our people in the field.
	To do so, we must enforce consequences for those who break the law.
	Consequences for those who break the law.
	Remember, Snowden has not happened yet at this point, at least not in the public eye.
	And breached their commitment to protect classified information.
	But a free press is also essential for our democracy.
	That's who we are.
	And I'm troubled by the possibility that leak investigations may chill the investigative journalism that holds government accountable.
	Very interesting.
	This, somehow, is exactly the debate that is taking place.
	And because...
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Listen, I'm setting you up.
	Journalists should not be at legal risk for doing their jobs.
	Our focus must be on those who break the law.
	And that's why I've called on Congress to pass a Media Shield law to guard against government overreach.
	And I've raised these issues with the Attorney General who shares my concerns.
	So he's agreed to review existing Department of Justice guidelines governing investigations that involve reporters.
	Okay.
	Now, two things happened in the past week that I believe solidify a theory that I'm kind of feeling here.
	That a lot of things, at least the timing of things have been said.
	They may have known about this, but we know for sure the president hates the internet press, hates anything alternative, wants complete control of the mainstream.
	Hello, Rachel Maddow, I'm looking at you.
	All of this stuff is well known.
	So the final thing that we need is our Media Shield Law, which we discussed at this time, and of course I put the links in the show notes once again, where we had the amendment to the Media Shield Law, which is appropriately titled something like the Free Flow of Information Act.
	From Senator Dianne Feinstein, who says, oh, you have to have at least worked for an official news-gathering organization for five years, and all these bullcrap.
	Yeah, just licensing.
	Yes, licensing, exactly.
	Now, listen to what happened just in the past week.
	In other world news, Edward Snowden, the NSA contractor who took a treasure trove of the agency's secrets and leaked them to the world, isn't a journalist.
	He is a journalist's dream source, which is why today in news we're breaking right now on the lead, the Freedom of the Press Foundation is announcing that Snowden is joining its board of directors.
	Daniel Ellsberg is a co-founder of the Freedom of the Press Foundation.
	You'll, of course, remember him as the former U.S. military analyst who gave the infamous Pentagon paper.
	I'm very closely with Jake Tapper.
	Of course, he's part of the establishment.
	He is now defining the line that the president laid out very carefully in May between people who break the law and leak sensitive classified information violating the State Secrets Act and good journalists, the approved journalists, Journalists who are actually journalists, not just someone who's not a journalist.
	To the New York Times back in 1971.
	Mr. Ellsberg, thanks so much for being here.
	Why has the organization decided to add Snowden to the board of directors, even though he's not actually a journalist?
	Now, and of course, Ellsberg goes in.
	And I believe that Ellsberg is probably non-complicit in this.
	He really is like, hey, I'm not a journalist either.
	But the whole concept of having journalists and leakers go hand in hand, you need both of these things in order for it to happen.
	But the mainstream is making this very, very clear distinction, best portrayed by, I guess it was Friday night's interview of Grand Greenwald, On the Bill Maher show.
	Bill Maher, who is a known operative of the Democratic Party, gave a million dollars to President Obama's re-election campaign.
	A million dollars.
	I think that makes him a compromised asset.
	So when you give a million dollars, you can certainly get an ambassadorship.
	There's a lot of things you can get.
	He gave it to a super PAC, but it's irrelevant.
	He made it very clear.
	This is to help get President Obama re-elected.
	And he wasn't keeping it quiet.
	No.
	So you could think that maybe someone would put a call out and said, here's what we're going to do.
	You get this Greenwald on, and you're going to make your jokes.
	But the point is, we want to discredit anybody else, certainly anyone on the Internet, As not a journalist.
	I understand that.
	I just think there is something to be said for, well, if it's all open, why don't we get to choose who decides?
	So here is what Bill Maher is bringing up.
	He's saying, who decides what is to be published from these documents illegally given to you by the crazy kook Edward Snowden?
	And you'll hear exactly what Bill Maher is doing.
	If we were going to decide, you actually would be a pretty good guy to decide.
	Because I respect you and I like it.
	I think you're very smart.
	So apparently Bill Maher can decide who can be a reporter.
	But what if it was Perez Hilton?
	Very funny.
	But the point is, crazy guy on the internet with a big audience?
	Not a valid journalist.
	Who says Perez Hilton is not a journalist?
	I would testify in court that he is.
	Of course he is.
	And it's not a topic of interest to me, but he's most definitely a journalist.
	But here you see he's ridiculed and the audience is...
	We don't know how much that's cranked up either, but go on.
	And Bill Maher's going to take it even a little bit further because, of course, you have to make everyone on the internet sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist.
	Crazy.
	Okay, let's...
	Let me just ask you this.
	I mean, I also respect Edward Snowden.
	Obviously, this debate wouldn't be happening without Edward Snowden.
	But I was wondering if you would agree with me that every time he opens his mouth, he also says something completely nuts.
	He reminds me a lot of Ron Paul.
	I agree with what he says, I nod along, and then he says something totally batshit.
	This is essentially saying anyone who believes or the message of Ron Paul or his so-called message of liberty and you're on the internet, you're batshit crazy, which is a favorite of progressive...
	Let me mention something else in this little thing he's doing.
	He does the thing which I brought up before.
	I dislike it when I hear it because I know it's a salesman's technique.
	Adam, would you agree?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Adam, would you agree that he used, would you agree?
	Would you agree these shoes look great on her?
	Would you agree?
	Yeah.
	No, it's because he is on board with the program, and I think that this speech, what is happening right now, we may, the way people look at Section 215, like, oh, this huge, oh, this metadata, it's bullcrap, whatever.
	The real meat and potatoes has been going on since way before 9-11.
	Executive Order 12333, and all information, including content, is being collected and stored and parsed through, and it's all completely legal within the system that is not being discussed.
	So here's this little play that is being rolled out, and President Obama, what he says, these people who write this for him are smart.
	Okay?
	They're smart.
	And now we see that he has a callback to a speech where he, the visionary, brought up this balance between real journalists and those who leak secrets And we need to have real journalists, as you say correctly, John, licensed.
	And this is probably what's bothering me about Glenn Greenwald.
	He's got to be on board with some team, some program, somehow.
	Otherwise, none of this would happen.
	He's being set as the shining example.
	And not only is he being protected, he's being financed by a mini, mini Comicar.
	And let me just listen to the rest of this Bill Maher thing, because it's so obvious now to me.
	I mean, Edward, let me give you some quotes from Edward...
	Go ahead.
	Alright, go ahead.
	You go ahead.
	What?
	Yeah, you go ahead.
	No, you go ahead.
	Please, after you.
	Go ahead.
	No, no, no, you go ahead.
	Go ahead, please.
	Alright, go ahead.
	He said these programs were never about terrorism.
	They were about social control and diplomatic manipulation.
	Well, that's crazy.
	They were about stopping terrorism.
	They may have gone too far.
	Crazy.
	But everybody in the government isn't out to get you.
	Oh, boy.
	Everybody in the government isn't out to get you.
	In other words, if you...
	To have any other thoughts than that this is about terrorism, you're a conspiracy theorist.
	Obviously.
	A nutjob on the internet.
	Who loves Ron Paul.
	Who's batshit crazy.
	He said they can use this system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you've ever made, every friend you've ever discussed something with.
	This is nuts, right?
	So...
	And I'm pretty sure that Glenn Greenwa is, he's so narcissistic, he's just being played.
	I don't think he actually knows what is going on.
	I agree with you 100% on what you're saying now.
	Yeah, he's being played.
	Right, played.
	Played.
	Yeah, he's on the TV. No, Bill, what's nuts is the fact that you think that's nuts.
	And let me just explain why.
	A lot of the stories that we've reported have nothing to do with terrorism.
	They're spying on economic summits in Latin America, oil companies in Brazil, democratically elected leaders of our closest allies who have nothing to do with terrorism.
	Is that, of course, some of this is directed at terrorism, but this massive system that has been built, a huge bulk of it, has nothing to do with national security.
	It has to do with the reason that people in political power always want to surveil their populations is because it does give...
	Greater power.
	And as far as slowing down the internet, that comes right from documents that we publish where the NSA collects everything and then stores it for a long enough time to, in their words, slow down the internet so that they can go back at any time and see your entire history, where you've browsed, what kind of search terms you've entered, with whom you've been speaking.
	I mean, look, he's a 29-year-old who's not a trained politician.
	He doesn't have AIDS whispering in his ear what he should say.
	He's not adept at that.
	That's what makes him so impressive.
	He's not a journalist.
	Clearly!
	Greenwald is falling right into the trap here.
	Of course, he's a 29-year-old schmuck.
	He doesn't know anything.
	He's got no one whispering in his ear.
	He doesn't have anything.
	He's not a politician.
	He's not a journalist.
	I'm a journalist.
	I'm going to be licensed.
	I'm going to be licensed and paid for.
	It was an act of conscience that he just stepped forward as an ordinary person and did this.
	No one is arguing with that, Glenn.
	What I said is...
	Ed, listen to Bill talk over the applause to shut it down.
	Every time he opens his mouth, he always says something, fucking nuts.
	And when he says...
	Fucking nuts.
	There you go, Bill.
	That's right, because that's what we are on the internet.
	We're all just fucking nuts, Ron Paul, crazy, batshit crazy, kooky.
	A government's out to get me, people.
	Every friend, they know every...
	By the way, that is a great catch of him stepping on the audience.
	Because they were going to give Green World a round of applause.
	Nope.
	Every friend you've ever discussed something with will just have to agree to disagree on what's fucking nuts.
	Okay.
	Yeah, no, we'll agree, Bill, when the legislation and licensing is in place.
	That's when we'll agree what's fucking nuts or what's journalism.
	Let's ask him one final question.
	What would happen if you came home now?
	Well, this of course is a great question.
	It's a good question.
	It's one that we've been trying to find out the answer to, and the government doesn't seem to want to share with us their thoughts on that question.
	There's obviously been a lot of leading media and political figures who have advocated that what I've done is criminal, what other journalists have done is criminal.
	He's so making the point for everybody.
	Glenn Greenwald, don't you see?
	You are now actually setting it up.
	You're going to get an approved stamp as a journalist to travel freely.
	Everyone else will be shut down.
	You, my friend, are single-handedly ruining open journalism.
	You are anti-constitutional.
	The British government, the servant of the United States government, is claiming that what we've done is terrorism.
	There's criminal investigations pending.
	So I'm not going to go ahead and roll the dice.
	We're trying to find out as much as we can.
	But wait for Bill's final word.
	The U.S. government is not too talkative on those questions.
	All right.
	Well, you can stay in my guest house if you need to come back.
	Oh, that's great.
	That's right.
	Because there's going to be a lot of people in your guest house.
	Alright, so that is what I think.
	And, of course, I looked it up.
	It appears that the Free Flow of Information Act is number 203 on the congressional calendar.
	It was put there end of November.
	I'm pretty sure this is going to come up for a vote with the amendments by Dianne Feinstein to determine who is a journalist and, therefore, who can legally look at things.
	I mean, just think about Graham Reymond for a second.
	With all the technologies we know that are available, I'd like to know, does he receive encrypted messages from Snowden, then put them on some kind of secure USB device, then take them to a non-network computer to decrypt them that is in a Faraday cage so that no one can see whatever he's doing?
	Are you telling me our great massive intelligence has no idea what documents are there because they can't There's no way they can get into Glenn Greenwald's systems.
	Seriously?
	You can't, people, you can't believe on one hand that they can turn on your iPhone remotely and get your screen captures through magical radio waves, which I'm all in on believing, and then think that they don't know what Glenn Greenwald has, okay?
	So, because he's in Brazil, that's like some magical barrier that we can't send agents to Brazil.
	Brazil, oh no!
	Not Brazil!
	No assets in Brazil?
	To kind of hop on the heels of what was discussed here.
	So this all led, this crazy speech of Obama's, which was a useless piece of crap, from what I can tell, led you to our old thought that they're going to license journalists?
	You drove that car through that road?
	That's my conclusion, yes.
	And that's what Mickey, quote-unquote, grokked?
	Immediately.
	Well, we talked about it before.
	It's not that it's new.
	No, but they're the ones that made the callback to the speech, and the speech that's before Snowden was known to the public.
	Okay, I think you leaped here and there somewhere.
	I don't know how, but it was very convincing, though.
	Okay, good.
	A couple amendments to Executive Order 12333 that are of interest, August 27, 2004, Executive Order 13355.
	I love all the magic numbers in these executive orders.
	I think we do have to point that out just for a second.
	There's just a lot of that going on here.
	It could all be complete coincidence, but...
	It needs to be more maddening.
	Yeah.
	So this one is to strengthen the authority of the Director of Central Intelligence and for the Director of National Intelligence to act as the principled advisor to the President for intelligence matters related to national security.
	To ensure that the National Foreign Intelligence Program, which we have not heard about, the NFIP. Have you heard of this anywhere in recent days?
	Actually, I have.
	I think we even mentioned it once and never did much with our information.
	So that the NFIP is structured adequately to achieve these requirements.
	And to ensure that the United States intelligence collection activities are integrated into collecting against enduring and emerging national security intelligence issues.
	So really integrating the full-blown, full content, not just metadata, collection of your communications.
	And subsection 1.6a, the heads of all departments and agencies shall, unless the director provides otherwise, give the director access to all foreign intelligence, counterintelligence, and national intelligence as defined in the act.
	So there's your complete aggregation of all of this information.
	There's too many layers.
	This is hurting the country.
	Then we have Executive Order 13470, July 30, 2008.
	And this, the United States intelligence effort shall provide the President, the National Security Council, and the Homeland Security Council with the necessary information to which the base decisions concerning developing conduct of foreign defense economic policies.
	So it says right here, in order to help the President shape economic policies, you need to give the spying information to the President.
	Economic policies.
	Okay?
	Economic, not terrorism.
	Here's a list, the top three things.
	Intelligence collection under this order, and again, this is back to 1-2-3-3-3, should be guided by the need for information to respond to intelligence priorities set by the President.
	So there's three priorities.
	Number three, that's the bottom priority, threats to the United States and its interests from the development, possession, proliferation, or use of weapons of mass destruction.
	Number two, so not the top, but number two, threats to the United States and its interests from terrorism.
	And number one, espionage.
	So, don't lie to me.
	This is about espionage, spying on other countries for political and economic policies.
	That's your number one priority according to the executive order that the president signs on to.
	And he hasn't changed it.
	So let's not pussyfoot around and let's just be honest.
	And I'm okay with that because we're America.
	And we spy on people and we kick their ass and we own you, bitch.
	And that's okay, but just say it.
	Don't give me this terrorism.
	And let's not get any smart people in here who can figure it out.
	We need to...
	This show is doomed.
	We're doomed.
	Fucking doomed, John.
	We're doomed.
	No, I can get a license.
	How about me?
	I can't get a license.
	It's okay.
	You'll be my sidekick.
	I'll just be pushing.
	I can do color.
	I can do color commentary.
	I'll just go like, do some analysis, John, and I'll play my part.
	Well, the way I see it, the president's got it backwards.
	You are the best, John C. Dvorak.
	I could live with that.
	I bet you could.
	Alright, let me wrap this up with two clips.
	Feinstein and Rogers were on...
	This is fantastic.
	In fact, I'm going to line this up.
	I think I might get a clip of the day.
	Feinstein and Rogers were both on...
	Are you pre-selling it as a clip of the day?
	You know every time I try that on you, you go out of your way to reject it.
	Okay, I'm dumping the clip.
	It's not going to happen.
	It will not be clip of the day.
	So, Senator Dianne Feinstein and Mike Rogers, who's not a senator, is he a congressman?
	I keep forgetting.
	Well, they're both...
	No, no, she's the head of the Senate.
	He's the head of the Congressional Intelligence Group.
	Right.
	So, these are the two people who represent the people of...
	The citizens of the United States of Gitmo Nation represent us in oversight of...
	Oh crap, John, hold on a second.
	Right, to keep these agencies from running wild.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Hold on, Mike.
	But they've done none of the above.
	They're actually encouraging it.
	Yes, and then...
	These two people really should be rebuked.
	I think when you hear what they're about to say, rebuked is very moderate, very mild.
	Here is Feinstein.
	Remember, this is the person who knows everything.
	Knows all about everything that's going on and oversees all of these programs for you if you're an American citizen.
	And, you know, I think a lot of the privacy people...
	Hold on a second.
	The privacy people.
	Oh, John, who are the privacy people?
	You know what the privacy people are?
	The batshit crazy.
	Yes, batshit crazy, complaining, whining, internet, Ron Paul-loving, nutjob, fucking crazy people.
	The privacy people.
	Diane Feinstein, I wish you very bad things.
	And, you know, I think a lot of the privacy people perhaps don't understand that we still occupy the role of the great Satan.
	Okay, let me just get this straight.
	That we are the great Satan in the world.
	Then all other religious groups think that we are Lucifer, and we are the great Satan, and that's with the privacy people.
	Okay, because that's how she thinks about us.
	You fucking privacy people.
	You peon privacy people.
	What do you think you are?
	New bombs are being devised.
	New bombs.
	New bombs are being devised.
	New bombs are being devised in basements in Boston.
	What's wrong with the other bombs?
	They worked okay.
	New bombs.
	New bombs sound scarier because, you know, new bombs have new ways of exploding.
	New.
	It's new from Nabisco.
	I'm sorry, new.
	Be quiet now.
	I'm trying to get Feinstein's crazy shit out.
	More.
	Satan.
	New bombs are being devised.
	New terrorists are emerging.
	New terrorists are emerging.
	There's a new terrorist born every day.
	A new kind of terrorist.
	New, John.
	New.
	New.
	From Mattel.
	New terrorist.
	New.
	Fresh.
	Good looking.
	Well, you're the one now interrupting her.
	I have to, because this is how people...
	This is how you sell something to the American public.
	You take the same crap, put it in a box with a shiny label, and put new on it, and people buy it.
	It'd be new and improved.
	That would be better.
	New groups.
	New groups.
	They're bringing ABBA back.
	Did you hear about it?
	Actually, a new level of viciousness.
	ABBA's coming back.
	ABBA's coming back.
	New and improved with bombs and groups and terrorists.
	New groups.
	New groups.
	Actually, a new level of viciousness.
	A new level of viciousness.
	There's viciousness.
	Then there's this whole new level of viciousness that you have not seen.
	And I think we need to be prepared.
	I think we need to do it in a way that respects people's privacy rights.
	Notice she says respects people's privacy rights, but not actually respects their privacy.
	One other point.
	When you look at what companies collect, the government does not seem to be a major offender at all.
	Oh!
	Oh, thanks for bringing that meme back in.
	Hey, you let Google and Yahoo and Facebook and Twitter take all your information?
	Well, you have no problem with that.
	Then certainly you can let the same kind of information go into the government because we're going to protect you from new bombs, new terrorists, new groups, and a new level of viciousness.
	Seriously, think about that.
	Isn't the difference, of course, Chairman, that it's only the government that can deprive you of your liberty?
	You know, Google or Amazon, you still have to click to acquiesce in that, even though they have a lot of that personal information.
	And I always love how it's always Google or Amazon.
	It's never the real guy.
	It's never Facebook.
	Never is it Facebook.
	Never.
	Facebook should be number one on the list.
	Yes, we know that the FBI, the director of the FBI... You love to harp on this.
	They're hanging out there.
	They probably have...
	You know, if you go to Boeing and you go visit the corporate offices, you'll find an office in the Boeing facility for United Airlines.
	Of course.
	They have an office in the building.
	So do the other airlines.
	There is probably an office...
	I don't know this for a fact, but it would make sense that says FBI, and the guys can go in there and make some calls.
	Bring up a command line.
	Do what they want.
	So I want to remind everyone, go back to the Time Magazine interview, person of the year, Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook.
	In the article itself, Robert Mueller.
	Then director of the FBI, who was instated just two months before 9-11, just a coincidence, and whose statutory 10-year term was extended because he's so great, pokes his head into the conference room door while Zuckerberg is being interviewed and says, Oh, hey, yeah, I just wanted to say hi.
	I've been in the building for a couple hours.
	Yeah, in his office.
	I've been cleaning up.
	He can't be just roaming around aimlessly with a cup of coffee.
	He has an office there.
	Right?
	I guess.
	We should get the...
	Let me see.
	FBI, Facebook...
	I'm just trying to think, what was that actual quote?
	It was really funny.
	It was so off-handed, and it was in Time Magazine.
	Right, and Zuckerberg, and nobody took it.
	They didn't blink an eye.
	Well, no one who read the article blinked an eye.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Your technology press failed you.
	Gee, surprise.
	Okay, here's Mike Rogers.
	Now, Mike Rogers, he's either on the take currently, or he can't wait to get out and be just so rich.
	He's going to leave his wife rich, this guy.
	For Russian bimbos.
	This guy, he's setting himself up so big time.
	This was a thief who we believe had some help.
	Okay, hold on a second.
	New information!
	That's new information!
	It's new information.
	New and improved.
	And who's we?
	You got me on that one.
	Alright, onward.
	Okay, this is new information.
	This was a thief who we believe had some help, who stole information.
	The vast majority had nothing to do with privacy.
	Our Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines have been incredibly harmed by the data that he has taken with him and we believe now is in the hands of nation states.
	What help did he have?
	Who helped him do you think?
	Well, good question.
	Chip Gregory, you're on script.
	Who helped him?
	There were certain questions that we have to get answered.
	First of all, it was a privacy concern he had.
	He didn't look for information on the privacy side for Americans.
	He was stealing information that had to do with how we operate overseas to collect information to keep Americans safe.
	That begs a question.
	And some of the things that he did were beyond his technical capabilities.
	Oh, yes!
	Hold on!
	Hold on!
	New information!
	New information, people.
	I got new information.
	Questions.
	How he arranged travel before he left.
	How he was ready to go.
	He had a go-bag, if you will.
	Whoa!
	He had a go-bag!
	I've got information, man!
	New shit has come to light!
	But how high level do you think?
	Well, let me just say this.
	I believe there's a reason he ended up in the hands, the loving arms of an FSB agent.
	Could that be Sarah Harrison?
	The former girlfriend of Julian Assange?
	He goes out of his way to say the loving arms.
	You mean the bare arms because she's wearing that nice little strapless black F me dress in Moscow and now has disappeared herself to Berlin?
	Ah, this is getting very juicy.
	In Moscow.
	I don't think that's a coincidence.
	Not a coincidence, no.
	Number two, let me just talk about this.
	Do you think the Russians helped, Ed Snowden?
	I believe there's questions to be answered there.
	Well, you know, the Russians, I'm sorry, the Russians who hate gays, the gay-hating, gay-beating, target-code-breaking, evil Russians...
	Don't think it was a gee whiz luck event that he ended up in Moscow under the handling of the FSB. That's a significant development, if it's true.
	Yes, Chuck.
	That's a significant chip.
	What is your name?
	Well, I say we have questions we have to answer, but as somebody who used to do investigations, some of the things we're finding we would call clues.
	Clues!
	That certainly would indicate to me that he had some help.
	What did he used to do when it comes to investigations, this Mike Rogers?
	Let's check the book of knowledge.
	We definitely need to look at this jabroni.
	What the hell did Mike Rogers do that he was involved in investigations?
	Was he a...
	He's a DA or something, I'm sure.
	Was he a police officer?
	Whoops, I got the wrong Mike Rogers.
	Too many of these guys.
	There he is.
	Was he a police officer?
	No, I think he was like a district attorney.
	He's a lawyer.
	I'm sure of it.
	Let me see.
	I'm looking.
	I don't...
	He has a bachelor's degree in criminal justice.
	Okay, he went to college.
	Served the United States Army, worked as a special agent.
	Oh, okay.
	A special agent with the FBI at the Chicago office.
	I didn't realize he was in the Chicago cabal.
	I didn't realize that.
	That makes sense.
	Of course.
	Ah, well, there you go.
	He's with the FBI. He's a Fed.
	Makes so much sense.
	Well, maybe if this is all true based on our basic thesis, which comes and goes in different forms of strength, the people who helped him were the CIA. And now they're going after what part of the agency has turned on the NSA, and this is a threat.
	This little thing he just did right here.
	A threat.
	I totally agree.
	Was a threat.
	I agree.
	Leveled at the CIA for screwing with the NSA and all the rest of it.
	Wow.
	It was a veiled threat.
	Very well done.
	Yeah, and almost clip of the day.
	Had I not set it up?
	No.
	It was almost.
	It still wouldn't have got it.
	It was almost clip of the day.
	That's all right.
	I still want to thank you for your courage.
	By the way, I'm going to tell you how you get win clip of the day.
	When you play with something and my eyebrows go up.
	Well, let me turn on the camera to make sure I catch that.
	Hold on one second.
	I got an unfortunate warning here.
	A warning.
	Warning, Will Rogers.
	My trackpad battery is extremely low.
	So let me just replace that.
	These are not easy things to do.
	Because it's spring-loaded, that little...
	Is it a little expensive battery?
	What kind of battery is in a track pad?
	Two double A's.
	Oh, that's no big deal.
	Double A's?
	Big giant double A's?
	No, double A's are pen lights.
	Yeah, the big giant, compared to AAAs, they're big.
	Well, yeah, that's true.
	You know, the other day, just before we move on, Miss Mickey was in her studio, and she has one of these kind of boom boxes that you stick from the old, old iPod days, so the new iPhones won't even work on it.
	It has the old connector.
	It has the old giant connector.
	And it's from Europe, and for some reason it only has 220, so she can't plug it into the main, so she likes the box.
	She said, could you please replace the batteries?
	And there's six D-sized batteries in there.
	I mean, what...
	Why don't you just get a little transformer that lets you run 220?
	Oh, that's not the point.
	Have you ever held six...
	I mean, you look at six D-sized batteries, you're thinking, a car should be able to drive on these things.
	I think you can suck enough energy out of those in one shot, you'd drain them immediately.
	You should be able to recharge a Tesla S with those things.
	What technology was that that we thought these D-sized batteries were good?
	We haven't seen that compared to a lantern battery.
	Remember dry cells?
	Dry cells.
	We do experiments with a dry cell.
	We can make...
	Those are all dry cells, but the lantern battery is that big, giant square thing with the two springs at the top.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yellow.
	Usually yellow with red top.
	The lantern.
	Anyway.
	Yes?
	Nothing.
	I was just reminiscing.
	You'd use those lantern batteries to start airplane engines for model airplanes.
	Oh, yeah.
	I just got a new battery for the truck yesterday.
	Did you buy an interstate battery?
	Those are the best you know.
	Yes, it is an interstate.
	It's funny because I went to this place right around the corner.
	I think it's a Goodyear affiliate or something, so they sell tires.
	But you can basically roll in with an American-made car and say, you know, put something on it, make it work.
	And I didn't have, because the truck, the battery is so dead.
	So I just pick one up and put it in myself.
	So I get the battery from the guy.
	And he's in there with Brad.
	He's a nice guy.
	You know, older guy.
	He's probably near 60.
	And I say, do you do the emissions test as well?
	Because I need to do that.
	He says, yeah, but when you put the battery in the truck, you've got to drive it for a day or two because the computer needs to start restoring information because it's all been flushed out and otherwise we can't get the right reading for the test.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	But then I say, yeah, well, computers, bullcrap.
	And he says, yeah.
	He says, sometimes I think the Unabomber was right.
	I'm like, whoa!
	I said, Ted Kaczynski?
	He says, oh man, I love that guy.
	He said, did you know about him teaching at Harvard?
	I'm like, yeah.
	You've got to read Player Piano with Ted Kaczynski.
	Oh my gosh, I've got a friend for life.
	Well, I have a piece of advice.
	Okay.
	Keep your interstate battery warranty.
	Keep the paperwork on it, or at least go back to the original guys, because the interstate batteries, as good as they are, when they crap out, they always crap out a little bit before they're supposed to, like six months, and they will give you the prorated price on the next battery.
	Six-year warranty on this battery.
	Yeah, it'll die in five years.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	You'll get one-sixth of your money back.
	You're telling me this truck is going to last another five years?
	Well, I guess maybe in your case it's not appropriate.
	But I've always had my interstate batteries.
	They always crap out.
	They're good batteries, but when they crap out, they just crap out real quick.
	And it's always before the six years.
	They're going to be six years.
	Bull crap.
	There's no way.
	Well, I appreciate the advice.
	I thank you for your courage.
	And in the morning, to you, John C. Dvorak.
	Well, that's a change of pace.
	In the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry, also all the ships at sea, all the boots on the ground, the feet in the air, the groks in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	And I also want to say hi to...
	Hi.
	Yeah, hi to who?
	There are new listeners.
	Oh, that's very nice.
	I want to say in the morning to all of our human resources in the chat room there, noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net.
	I also want to say hi to our artists.
	It was a nice piece of art that we used for 583.
	Rob Lytel came back.
	Did you know, this is funny, he sent me a note maybe two hours after the show.
	He says, oh my God, here's a new version of the art.
	Thank you for putting it in there because I misspelled Dvorak's name.
	And neither you or I caught it.
	I thought that was the way I spelled it.
	D-O-V-R-A-K? That's how much we're paying attention.
	Yeah.
	So I swapped it out.
	But that was nice, Rob.
	Thank you.
	Noagendaartgenerator.com is where you can submit your artwork and where you can find lots of fun stuff to look at for sure.
	So give that a shot.
	And, well, you probably noticed there's no commercials in this program.
	If you knew, the reason why is if we had commercials, it wouldn't be this show.
	There's no way we could talk about this.
	We would be either off the air or hate groups would have been telling our advertisers to never advertise on our show again.
	That's true.
	So we live purely.
	That's actually what you said right there is a fact.
	Yeah.
	We could not do this show any other way than the way we're doing it, which is we're requiring our listeners, if they get anything out of the show, of course, and they'd hate the show, they wouldn't be listening in the first place.
	They'd just go away, exactly.
	They'd go away, and then we wouldn't have a show, and that would be the end of it.
	And that's the way it goes.
	Or when the government shuts us down, which is probably a few years off.
	Well, I'm going to be riding on your license.
	I don't know about that.
	Yeah, you will.
	That's right.
	I will get a license.
	I can get a license.
	I'm well qualified.
	I'm in the Perez Hilton camp.
	I think you're doing the show long enough.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I can just hear Bill Maher.
	What?
	You're going to give a former MTV VJ a journalism license?
	Ha, ha, ha.
	Put him in the Perez Hilton camp.
	Where you can only report on Celebrities.
	That's all he's good for.
	That's right.
	All right, well, we have a few executive producers, associated executive producers for show 584 to thank.
	One, two, three, four executive producers and two associates, starting with Archduke David Foley, who came in again.
	999.99.
	Wow.
	999.99.
	Nice.
	He apparently is doing well in some way in one of his many businesses.
	He's one of those serial entrepreneurs that people always talk about, but nobody ever actually knows.
	We know one, and here he is.
	Here he is.
	This is him.
	He wants another...
	Apparently he's become superstitious, which is a good thing, about the karma, because it works for him.
	And so he needs another dose, because he needs it for a big day on Tuesday.
	Oh, alright.
	So this is David Foley, Archduke of Silicon Valley.
	He runs the protectorate of Silicon Valley, which is quite a stretch.
	If you want anything done there, you've got to talk to him.
	And we're very happy to give you some massive, wonderful, no-agenda karma for your Tuesdays.
	You've got karma.
	And thank you for your patronage, your super support.
	And does this get him to a grand dukedom?
	I'm going to have to do the math or have Eric run the numbers because he's getting close to...
	Having his own jingle is what I'm thinking.
	Yes, I think he's got...
	He's not too far away if he's not there already, but I believe he's got a couple, you know, he's got a little ways to go.
	Not far.
	Right.
	And then you can take over the whole state.
	Peter Gill at 625, Kenmore, Queensland, Australia.
	Hi, John and Adam.
	Our last donation was 19th January 2012 for $3.75.
	I posted it for my son Charlie's birthday and asked for some karma for his medical problems, which I'm happy to say seem to have all sorted themselves out.
	It's amazing.
	I'm now donating $6.75 to bring it up to a knighthood.
	I'd like to request a knighthood for Charlie Gill.
	And a call out for his birthday again on the 21st.
	A note from Charlie Below.
	Dear John and Adam, I am donating a combination of my Festivus and 17th birthday presents to the best podcast in the universe to complete my knighthood.
	I've been listening to Noah Jennings since about episode 300 and decided to give some value for value.
	All I ask is for some general purpose karma, a birthday call out for Tuesday, and to be knighted as Sir Gill.
	Aww.
	Keep up the good work.
	This is the kind of future I hope for Australia.
	I hope for all countries in Gitmo Nation.
	These are the young people we need.
	Of course.
	Remember that you also have a night ring, Charlie, so go to noagendanation.com slash rings and make sure you fill out your info.
	If you wait about a year, thank you to the Australian Postal Service.
	There's that problem, but we will get it out to you right away.
	And here's that karma you need.
	Absolutely.
	Thank you so much.
	You've got karma.
	General purpose karma.
	Now, here's a check that came in with no note.
	It was one of the bank checks, and it was from Joseph Jones for $583, which makes him a member of the 583 Club, which was the last show.
	He's from Apex, of all places, North Carolina, which is the top of North Carolina.
	It's the Apex.
	So I'm thinking that he either gets a 584, but if somebody's going to donate 583, it must be significant.
	So we'll put him as the sole member, I believe, of the 583 Club.
	Yeah, as far as I can tell.
	I don't think we had a 583 Club member.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	I have a note here.
	You got a note.
	I'm glad I checked this.
	Guys, my excuse for not donating sooner could not be more lame.
	Basically, I couldn't think of anything interesting to say in the note.
	I'd like to recommend, and I did forward this.
	This did come in to you, by the way, and I did forward this to the Shills, so I'm surprised the back office didn't get this.
	I'd like to recommend to all the listeners holding off on a donation.
	Just go ahead and donate before it piles up so high that you have to be a member of the 700 Club, which is very funny.
	Since I have nothing to plug, I will note that I attempted my own lame version of the No Agenda show long before I knew No Agenda existed.
	I did one episode.
	If you have around 20 minutes to waste, you can find it at drunkenwebmaster.com.
	I'd like a karma to go towards my stock trading endeavors for 2014.
	Thank you, Joe.
	Absolutely.
	Here's to your stocks.
	You've got karma.
	Right on.
	I did get that.
	I lost track of it, I guess.
	And I did go to DrunkedWebmaster.com.
	And it's great.
	It shows you that we make it look easy.
	Does he struggle?
	Well, first of all, he's drunk.
	Well, I like that idea.
	Have you ever seen Doug with High?
	Getting Doug with High?
	No.
	It's a podcast where this comedian, who apparently is kind of in that, Mimi might know him, Doug Brinson something, he's in kind of the comedian circuit, and what he does is he has people on, mainly comedians, they smoke a bong, and then he interviews them.
	I like it.
	It's pretty good, actually.
	It's like my idea for a show, Legally Drunk, I've always wanted to do.
	Yeah, it's kind of interesting to watch.
	I would go on that show.
	I would do that.
	Would you smoke the bong?
	Would you smoke?
	You don't smoke it.
	No, I would do it for the show.
	It's not going to kill me.
	I'm not going to fall off the wagon and be hooked on weed.
	I could just, oh man, I fell off the wagon.
	I'm on the weed again, John.
	That dumb podcast.
	Oh, heroin next!
	Right, what am I thinking?
	Yeah, all right.
	Todd McGreevy in Davenport, Iowa.
	$350.
	Dear John and Adam, please accept this donation knowing that Iowa's independent business brokers support the best podcasts in the universe.
	www.marigoldresources.com.
	Thanks for plugging our business brokerage.
	This is Todd McGreevy, my wife Kathleen, and I continue to be impressed by the research and analysis you provide.
	It's all right before everyone's eyes, but you guys take the time to look, see, and connect the dots.
	Thank you.
	Todd and his wife Kathleen, and by the way, you should be sending a picture, that they are trading based on our analysis?
	Trading what?
	Well, brokerage.
	They're a trading firm.
	Okay.
	Is that what I'm understanding?
	I don't know.
	I don't know that.
	I think it's wishful thinking.
	It seems like we could certainly...
	I think that we help clients in their search to sell or acquire companies, divisions, or product lines.
	Oh!
	Well, hello!
	Please sell Mevio.
	ProjectMotion.com, $222.22 from Childress, Texas.
	No comment.
	Sir Michael Levin, $200 from Brooklyn, New York.
	ITM, John and Adam.
	Sir Levin, 11 here.
	Get it?
	Need another shot of happy selling karma for my lovely wife.
	Thank you for your courage and stay safe.
	Absolutely.
	Happy to hand out some karma to you.
	You've got karma.
	What is this projective...
	And those, as he looks up ProjectiveMotion.com, those are our donors, executive producer donors for show 584.
	I want to remind people to go to Dvorak.org slash NA, channel Dvorak.com slash NA. Also the No Agenda Show and No Agenda Nation have buttons.
	And I suppose people who post the show, which we encourage you to do on your own blog, you should also have a link to Dvorak.org slash NA. ProjectiveMotion.com, a 23-year-old programmer from Reynosa, Mexico.
	He specializes in website systems.
	Very nice.
	A couple of PR mentions.
	Of course, we have the2030club.com.
	And I have received tons of emails from people.
	And I've been updating the website.
	I haven't yet done the black background with the red letters, John, because I can't quite figure out the CSS stuff.
	I will figure it out.
	Center.
	Center.
	Just center.
	Yeah.
	It works.
	Yeah.
	Tom, Adam, your idea is brilliant.
	There are tangible threats that do culminate in the year 2030, which require remediation and preparation.
	I have registered mk2030.com, and after the details are worked out, I will point it to the appropriate location.
	So he's smart.
	He understands.
	His company, Millennium Night, was formed on his Y2K remediation success, where he helped the Los Angeles Times, Transamerica Life companies, and a few dot-com companies modify their systems to fix the date calculation errors.
	And he requests that we put a link to the 2030 Club because he wants to do his $7.33 a month so he can have donated $20.30 in dollars by the year 2030.
	So he was looking for a link, couldn't find it.
	Then we have Ryan, who registered 2030seeds.com.
	Ah!
	A winner!
	Genius!
	So I'm sure he'll be selling seeds.
	And then Darren, Adam, I've been listening for about a year now, love the show, just happened to be buying a domain while listening to your last show, and when you said something about the 2030 Club, I looked around, I said I got 2k30club.com, so I've registered that and have forwarded it to the 2030club.com.
	So he's just forwarding a domain, no business per se.
	We've got tons of great stories about 2030, they are everywhere.
	And this is a bonanza you can get in on the ground floor of this.
	16 years to go.
	Amazon.com, Global Trends, Alternative Worlds from the Kindle store.
	How Wall Street can solve the climate crisis by 2030 from Mother Jones.
	Food and farming industries will need to be more competitive by 2030 from the UK government.
	The Bride of Christ, Ministry of Life, End of the World Part 2, 2030.
	There you go.
	2030, urbanization, major cities, population development.
	There's all kinds of stories.
	Wow.
	You stumbled onto something, my friend.
	You stumbled onto something.
	It was just pure luck.
	No skill involved.
	No, I was psychic.
	That's what it must be.
	Anyway, thank you all very much for supporting the program.
	We'll have another one on Thursday, and of course, in a little bit, we'll also be doing our donors $50 or more to thank them for their courage for supporting the best podcast in the universe.
	And it goes without saying, we always appreciate you going out there and propagating our formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Water! Order!
	Shut up, slave!
	Shut up, slave!
	All right, uh...
	All right.
	The amphetamines are wearing off, so I'll let you talk for a bit.
	Well, let me get before we talk about the amphetamines wearing off that you mentioned it.
	Did you know about the drugs in Syria?
	Yeah, I know that there's trafficking.
	I'm not quite sure.
	No, no, it's actually worse than that.
	Here's a clip, and you keep people up to date on this.
	There's a new thing in there that you'll find interesting.
	Fighters on both sides of the Syrian civil war are turning to drugs as both a source of funding and staying power in battle, a recent media investigation has revealed.
	The soaring export of illegal amphetamines has turned Syria into a major drug hub.
	Artiz Mir Fnoshner explains.
	With Syria about to enter in its fourth devastating year of war, the lack of law and structure has allowed one dark industry to flourish.
	The country has become the number one producer of a drug known as Captagon.
	It's a synthetic stimulant, first manufactured in the 1960s and it was at that time used as a medicine to treat hyperactivity and depression.
	But it's too addictive and this is why it was banned in most countries.
	So, here in the Middle East, it's still very popular, it's cheap, and it's easy to get.
	But today, Syria not only produces more than any other country in the region, but it's also Capcom's main consumer.
	It's believed that fighters are taking these pills to maintain vigorous energy levels during lengthy battles, because it helps you keep awake for hours and hours.
	But there are also reports that ordinary citizens Those who've been living in depression and in this war and chaos for almost three years now are also turning to the drug for the escapist euphoria.
	Can you get me some?
	It's phenethylene.
	It's the stuff you see, it always...
	I was never heard of this Captagon, but I did some research.
	Phenethylene is that, I think it's that fen-fan that you see it, you know, they used to advertise it on spammers, you can get it from them.
	Fen-fan?
	Remember that?
	Fen-fan, something like that.
	Very, very vaguely, I remember something.
	Yeah, that was like a number of years ago.
	I think that's what this is, is phenethylene, which is a chemical that when you take it, it breaks down into...
	Into amphetamine and something else, and it gives you a buzz.
	I don't see any evidence that it's more addictive or horrible, more horrible than just straight dex or, what's the stuff everyone's taking?
	Adderall?
	Adderall, which is amphetamines.
	Or by Vans or all of that stuff, yeah.
	Adderall, which I was stunned to find out was just a dexedrine.
	It's amphetamines, pure amphetamine.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You don't want to take amphetamines.
	Amphetamines are...
	What did you think it was?
	You thought it was some magical drug that fixed people's brains?
	Well, I didn't know.
	I was naively thinking it was something other than...
	Why would they change the good old name of dexamphetamine to Adderall?
	It just made no sense to me.
	No, there's a reason for that.
	It comes from ADDRall.
	I read this.
	Attention Deficit Disorder is in the name?
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Name Adderall.
	I'm telling you, I read this the other day.
	The guy who came up with it named it.
	The genius.
	It's a marketing genius.
	He took something that was invented in the 60s Let me see.
	There must be something about the name here.
	Yeah, but it was something like ADD for All or something.
	Yeah, you didn't know that?
	That's funny.
	No, I didn't know this.
	This is like embarrassing.
	I should have known this.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Anyway, keep going.
	This is interesting.
	So anyway, this stuff is apparently, and they showed, it comes in a pill form.
	It's basically like a Benny used to be in the 60s.
	A Benny.
	Remember Benny's?
	Yeah.
	Well, I never had them, but I remember.
	There's a Benny.
	There used to be, they used to have Benny's, and the best Benny's were called cross tops.
	And they were a pill that had kind of a cross top.
	You could bust them into quarters if you wanted to.
	And they were all over the place.
	It was like, this is what truck drivers used in the 60s and 70s, so they could stay on those long hauls.
	Yeah.
	And so they get a few bennies.
	So if you were to buy bennies, you would go to a...
	I knew a guy was selling them, so I can tell you I knew a lot of details.
	Apparently most of them were sold through truck stops, cafes at the truck stop.
	And there was a bag full of them.
	You buy a bag of bennies.
	And it was a big bag.
	It was like, you know, a hundred of them.
	And it was...
	I don't remember what the price was.
	A hundred of them?
	That would be like $10,000 in today's time with Adderall if you had a hundred of them.
	No, there were 100 of them.
	They were worth like a dime or 20 cents or something.
	They were cheap.
	But they had these, the Captagon, the report goes on, they were selling, they're selling, what is an Adderall cost, do you think?
	I have no idea.
	I get like 10, 20 bucks.
	Hey, you know what?
	It's insured, so, you know, who gives a crap?
	These Captagon sell for $10 or $20 a piece, and apparently it's very easy to make, and they were showing how people were smuggling them, and there were just piles and piles of these pills.
	I get the sense that everybody in the Syrian area is just completely stoked on amphetamines, shooting at everything.
	I mean, this doesn't sound like a safe place.
	I have somewhere in my collection of tapes.
	Cassettes are reel-to-reels?
	Reel-to-reel.
	Or Betamax?
	Reel-to-reel.
	We're going way back.
	No, we're going to early stuff.
	I know I've got it somewhere.
	I'm moving all my reel-to-reels, too.
	I bought a big reel-to-reel deck, a big 10-inch Tiac, which I'm going to sell afterwards because apparently they're valuable.
	And I'm going to move everything to DVDs because these tapes are just not getting cross-talk and the rest of the problems you have with tapes.
	Because, you know, when they sit next to it, when they stay there not being rewound much, they start to magnetize the sound from the next layer.
	I have a bit where Bob and Ray, and I've never heard this reproduced, I've never heard, I've looked and looked for it, and I have a copy somewhere, Bob and Ray at the Amphetamine Factory.
	Who are Bob and Ray?
	Bob and Ray are these two deadpan comics that were very popular in the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
	And I think they went back to the radio days, probably in the 30s and 40s.
	I think the 40s.
	And if you knew who Bob and Ray was, you could just imagine, and there's probably about 10% of our audience who does, you can just imagine them doing their bit in the amphetamine factory.
	And to me, amphetamines and all these things, meth and all the rest of it.
	Listen to this for a second.
	Bob Elliott and Ray Goulding, American comedy team, whose career spanned five decades.
	Their format was typically to satirize the medium in which they were performing.
	Hello, Crackpot and Buzzkill.
	Yeah.
	We're channeling Bob and Ray.
	Well, there's a Bob and Ray element to the show, that's for sure.
	Whatever the case, especially when we do our sketches, which we don't do enough of, but we do.
	Oh, I have one for later.
	Oh.
	I have a sketch.
	So anyway, Bob and Ray.
	I just imagine all these people hopped up on amphetamines and with guns.
	I mean, this has gotten just hilarious.
	With stinger missiles, not just guns.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	And that's good.
	I mean, it's not good that that's happening in Syria, because probably what's going on, now it's the talk of the rebels are fighting each other now, which I'm kind of pretty sure that was what was going on to start with.
	But now it's probably over drugs.
	It's probably an all-out drug war, just to the south of Turkey, coincidentally.
	Wow.
	Yeah, I know the situation is bad.
	Well, here we go.
	Here's Bob and Ray.
	The Bachelor.
	Are you familiar with this program, The Bachelor?
	I watched the first season of it because I thought it was somewhat entertaining, and then I never watched it since.
	So, all the shows just started up, right?
	The January, the mid-season replacement, everything's going on.
	Everyone's...
	Was looking for ratings.
	And that's why all your celebrity award shows are on now.
	It's all about the ratings.
	So the bachelor, the current bachelor, Juan Pablo Galavis, came out with something very controversial.
	He said, gays shouldn't be on this show!
	And of course, this is now turning into a controversy.
	Now...
	Well, wait a minute.
	Gays, is he referring to the females?
	No, males.
	But there's no males on the show except him.
	Well, I'm going to read you from the article.
	It's in the show notes here.
	Here we go.
	Juan Pablo Galovas, the 32-year-old star of The Bachelor, who also appeared in the most recent season of The Bachelorette, made the remarks in an interview with TV pages' Sean Daly, who posted audio of the comments.
	The writer asked whether ABC should have a gay or bisexual bachelor on the show.
	No!
	Galovas responded.
	Just because I respect them, but honestly, I don't think it's a good example for kids to watch that on TV. It's hard, it's hard, it's a very thin line.
	Now, here's what I find interesting.
	ABC is the channel that runs The Bachelor.
	ABC, of course, we know owns A&E, who, of course, have the Duck Dynasty program.
	So I think it kind of went like this.
	Shit, we need some ratings.
	What can we do?
	Let me call down to marketing for a second.
	Hold on a second.
	Let me...
	Hello, marketing?
	Marketing here.
	Hey, marketing.
	Listen, we need some ratings for this Bachelor show.
	This is crap, crap, crap.
	What you got?
	Gays.
	What do you mean, gays?
	Bring a gay in the military.
	How does the gay work?
	How do we get ratings with gays?
	You got any proof?
	Yeah, make, I would say, offhand, just offhand, put a gay Bachelor.
	Hey, I'm going to call the other marketing department.
	This one doesn't have the right script.
	Hold on a second.
	Yes, marketing department here.
	Hey, you know that we got...
	It really worked.
	That Duck Dynasty gay thing really worked.
	Why don't we have the guy do an interview?
	Yeah.
	Do an interview and say something outrageous about gays.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I got an idea right now.
	What are you going to do?
	Have him say that there's no room for gays on the show.
	Yeah.
	Excellent idea!
	Excellent!
	We can tie it in and we can grab some of that anti-gay stuff from NBC. Those guys have got all the Russian gay shit with the Olympics.
	Crap!
	We gotta steal our gays!
	Yeah, no, we don't want anyone watching NBC. Hey, how old are you there in the marketing department?
	I'm a 35-year-old lady.
	Exactly.
	That's so funny.
	Brian the Gay Crusader sent me this.
	He said, oh my god, look what I said.
	Hello, don't you see how easy this is to deconstruct?
	They were successful with A&E's Duck Dynasty.
	Now they're trying to do it for all their ABC properties.
	Hello?
	Don't you see?
	Yeah, and all the networks are probably really rife with gays.
	And it's just so interesting that the gay community, I'm sorry, the LGBTQI community, doesn't see how your sexuality...
	How they're being used and manipulated?
	Yes, your sexuality is being completely abused.
	Abused.
	Which brings me to the happy news that today we will be releasing the white paper that clearly shows the propaganda used by primarily American but certainly Western media to scandalize and shout down Russia for the so-called gay hate laws.
	I'll just take it all the way.
	That proves that these laws are not only specifically hating gays, that Russia actually is much more LGBTQI friendly than certainly the United States.
	And case in point, everyone probably saw that Putin, to hype up the Olympics, Did a very rare interview, which was translated in the following way.
	The Sochi games are a huge moment of national pride and prestige, involving huge investments, new roads, new railways, effectively an entire new winter resort.
	But the rest of the world has been looking on and seeing controversy over corruption, over the release of political prisoners, and above all, a bitter, bitter row between the West and Russia over gay rights.
	That remains a philosophical divide.
	On a day when Mr.
	Putin said gays were welcome at the Olympics, but they should leave the kids in peace...
	So this was essentially interpreted by certainly the British press, but all over the world as...
	Oh, gays are pedophiles automatically?
	Really?
	That's what you're saying, Putin?
	That's great.
	I mean, seriously, Putin cautions gay visitors to not abuse children.
	I mean, I don't speak Russian.
	I'd love to get a true translation of what he said, because, of course, the law is really only about minors.
	The word gay is not in the law anywhere.
	No, it's about any alternative lifestyle.
	Any.
	Any whatsoever.
	And it is specifically for minors.
	So what he was saying is, hey, you do whatever you want to do, but you can't propagandize minors.
	That's our law.
	And that's very different from strict anti-gay laws.
	They hate gays.
	Actually, I've been fighting with, not fighting, but Brian, the reported number of LGBTQIQBBII In Russia versus America, the difference is astounding.
	I mean, seriously, in like two years in America, 1,400.
	In Russia, 20.
	Of course, you know, there's like...
	They're reporting issues.
	Exactly.
	That was my...
	I said, dude, if I had this report, I'd call this invalid because...
	Come on.
	You know, it's like, who the hell knows what they're reporting?
	But anyway...
	It's a beautiful piece of work.
	I do have a couple other points from it, which is just kind of nice.
	I think I put that in here today.
	Maybe I don't have it offhand.
	But really, when you see what is allowed in America versus what is allowed in Russia, when it comes to living together, being in the military, adopting children, it's much more liberal in Russia.
	But it doesn't matter because this is a machine that we can fight forever, and we're not going to win, but at least we've done it, and I'm very, very proud of Brian, who is going to be ridiculed by his own community to no end for doing this.
	So I'd Not if he does it right.
	Ignored is what usually will happen if it's done well.
	Yes, he'll be ignored.
	But it doesn't matter.
	People will not take the effort even to read his white paper.
	No, in fact, if it's done right, somebody will get a hold of the white paper, summarize it incorrectly, and make that the meme.
	I got an email from Sir Jim, baron of Jamaica Plain and surrounding plantations, on the gay protest.
	It'll be interesting to see the white paper about the Russian gay laws that the No Agenda listener is producing, because like most people, I don't know, and Jim is LGBTQQI or something, I don't know what is actually the fact about the supposed anti-gay legislation in Russia.
	We have no deconstruction or analysis of such things except by no agenda and its supporters.
	All the corporate media investigative journalists seem to be busy going through Justin Bieber's trash.
	Well, it's true.
	I'll be licensed for that, me and Perez Hilton.
	I do remember, since I lived in Denver at the time, the wrong-headed and counterproductive reaction by gay groups and individuals in response to the passage of an unpleasant homophobic initiative in Colorado in the early 90s.
	This was Amendment 2.
	Let's see, this was...
	He actually said, generally homophobic and mean-spirit initiative whipped up by the folks at Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition in the category of never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
	Major gay ski clubs, particularly in California, announced a blanket boycott of Colorado as a venue.
	As a result...
	Most gay-owned and operated guest houses and bed and breakfasts in major resorts of Vail, Beaver Creek, Aspen, etc., who got the lion's share of gay travel bookings, were put out of business or had to relocate.
	You see, this is very important, what Jim is saying.
	It's counterintuitive.
	You think you're protesting, but you're actually hurting everything.
	It may be the idea.
	What could have been a teaching moment to do something politically savvy and divert business, preferentially to gay-owned establishments, and publicize the amendment as bad business, ended up only hurting gay people and gay-friendly business in Colorado.
	Final irony, where do you think the outraged and high-minded California gay ski clubs diverted their trips to?
	Park City, Utah.
	That is kind of ironic.
	Exactly.
	Here come the boots.
	It could be.
	You're right.
	That's a very interesting point, John.
	Yeah, it could be all set up.
	It could have been the Park City, Utah guys who were behind the whole, oh, look at this horrible thing.
	Boycott all of it.
	Yeah, well, I mean, that's the way capitalism works.
	Interesting.
	Anyway, so the LGBTQI community members, my brothers and sisters, you are being duped.
	Duped.
	You are being duped big time.
	Everyone's being duped, not just them.
	Well, I know, but...
	Talking about being duped and apparently that bull crap where we almost bombed Syria and we just barely didn't bomb them because of Kerry and all the rest of it.
	Yeah.
	Here's the rockets in Syria and gassing bull crap that's just recently come to light.
	Oh, really?
	Our correspondent in New York City there.
	Well, meantime, the US conclusion that a chemical attack near Damascus in August was carried out by the government has been challenged by a team of highly respected experts.
	Washington immediately then blamed President Assad, but this new report from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology found the rocket couldn't have been fired from government-controlled areas.
	We went through two to three months worth of study to determine the types of rockets, the weight, the size, the propellant.
	And we determined that the range is on the order of two kilometers.
	I'd like to make a note that the UN also had come up with a range of approximately two kilometers.
	So this is very confusing to us in our studies, and we're trying to understand exactly what the White House map means, because right now as it stands, these rockets could have never been fired from government-controlled territory.
	They would be fired more from a rebel type of territory or a border of a contested territory.
	Hey, Bieber, Bieber, Bieber, throw some eggs somewhere, man.
	They're on to the rocket shit.
	Come on, throw some eggs.
	Okay, boss, okay, boss.
	Throw some eggs at the house next door.
	Hey, one of your friends has some Coke.
	Yeah.
	Our show said this when it happened.
	Yeah, we deconstructed right down to the finest minute detail of why it could not have been the government.
	Besides the point, most of the target was a bunch of soldiers, government soldiers that were making inroads on the rebels.
	Of course, that's when John Kerry and the president came out with, they're killing their own people!
	I always thought it was kind of ludicrous that they were killing their own soldiers.
	Nobody seemed to think twice about this.
	Yeah, well, that's...
	Yeah, okay.
	We did think twice.
	We kind of knew this was going on, but we didn't know it was going on.
	We talked about it.
	But play this clip, Panama Canal.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	Panama Canal.
	Welcome back.
	The Panama Canal's expansion project may soon grind to a halt.
	The Canal's administration is in the midst of a financial dispute with the Spanish consortium working on that project.
	And now it has reportedly held talks with other contractors as it prepares to suspend the project on Monday.
	Negotiations are still underway with the current workers.
	For now, the construction group went $1.6 billion over budget before threatening to stop unless they're paid more.
	Now, was this not the Chinese financing this?
	Do I recall that for some reason?
	Well, I thought the Chinese were doing it, and apparently not.
	By the way, this report came from CCTV, but they didn't really discuss where the money's coming from.
	But, yeah, they're trying to widen the thing so they can cut time, you know, because the shipping companies, I mean, we talk about the rail companies trying to move You know, goods and services from China into Europe and elsewhere.
	This is for the bigger...
	I think, if I recall, this is for the LNG ships.
	We need to have these huge...
	Well, there's...
	Yeah, we need this, but show to the Chinese, because there's still...
	Because don't...
	Anybody, I mean, you or me or anyone else, think that the shipping companies, the ones who move goods from China to the United States over the ocean, are going to roll over or they're in bed with the rail companies.
	No, of course not.
	Not going to happen.
	So the Chinese wanted to widen this thing, and they showed them some aerial shots.
	Holy crap.
	Yeah.
	It's like they're going to make this thing the size of...
	It's going to be so wide, you can run two, you know, three across kind of thing going through.
	I don't know.
	Anyway, so...
	But some...
	I guess the Spanish...
	Decided they're not going to do any more work.
	Well, hey, hey, siesta.
	We're done.
	We're done, man.
	Panama Canal Authority.
	I think it would be the Chinese somehow botching this because, you know, they're not the greatest managers of anybody but Chinese.
	Yeah, yes.
	Yes.
	I would agree.
	That's interesting.
	Well, now you've...
	You know, I know people in Panama.
	In fact, we have a...
	We have a Panama person.
	One of our Panamanian producers runs a hotel in Panama.
	We need to start getting some communications going here.
	Yeah, well, he sent me an email recently and he said, come on down.
	Well, I never got one.
	I never got an invite.
	I'd love to see Panama.
	And we have another friend of the show who has a house there.
	We can do a meet-up.
	Yeah.
	We can have a meet-up with our one friend at our producer's hotel, restaurant.
	We're good to go.
	It could also be called lunch.
	But we'll name it.
	It'll be a tax write-off.
	We call it a tweet-up.
	It's a tax write-off.
	We call it a meet-up.
	It's much better.
	Yeah.
	Alrighty.
	Okay, I've got a couple more things here.
	I do have this little longer expose, which I think would conclude with the...
	I think every once in a while we have to show that the alternative media personalities, and Amy Goodman in this case is an idiot.
	Can I make a recommendation?
	Yes.
	We have a rather short list.
	Why don't we thank our producers and then do this right after that?
	Because it looks like you've got a couple things here.
	Yeah.
	Well, before we do that, before we thank our producers, I do have a little rant that we can run.
	This is a guy, like an Occupy guy, and I was watching this with Buzzkill Jr., and this is a guy on a megaphone, only he's got a microphone, and the megaphone is being held by someone else.
	Oh, that's the ultimate.
	And someone else is pointing the megaphone while this guy talks into this little, you know, like a radio control, one of those police microphones with a button on top.
	And JC says it has something to do with the way the police would stop someone.
	There's some rationale for doing this this way.
	But the person holding the megaphone...
	Okay, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
	So if I understand what you're saying...
	Someone else is holding the megaphone, and then there's a wire with a mic, and the person speaking is speaking to the mic, so he's technically not holding the megaphone, which has implications on who could get arrested for disturbing the peace?
	Apparently.
	It's something.
	It's some sort of a gambit.
	Got it.
	Whatever the case is, the person holding the megaphone is texting with her other hand and also taking selfies during the process.
	Right.
	And I found the whole thing to be semi-disturbing, but I like this guy's message.
	And I think it kind of relates to advertising.
	And this is the Occupy rant clip.
	The public airwaves for no money.
	The companies do not pay one penny to own the public broadcasting spectrum.
	And they use that to rake in hundreds of billions of dollars every year.
	The news won't report on stories that go against the corporations that own them.
	They won't report on stories that go against...
	The advertisers that buy airtime on their network.
	The advertisers have to sign agreements with the networks that mandate that the networks will not broadcast anything that is offensive or harmful towards those corporations.
	This is how money is censoring our information.
	And you know who one of the biggest advertisers on the networks are?
	The politicians.
	In the last election cycle for the president, there was over a billion dollars spent on presidential campaign advertisements.
	How can we trust the media to report and to be critical on these politicians when they're entirely Dependent on the money from these ad campaigns.
	And so we have a democracy that's owned and controlled by corporations.
	They kick out every other political party but the Republicans and Democrats.
	And this is what we're left with Don't see the mark I hereby give you Clip of the devil Democracy I'm going to show myself By donating to No Agenda Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on no agenda In the morning No advertising on this show!
	I just got the kick, I got a kick out of that because of course we are not bound, as it were, by this sort of...
	No, it took us a long time to get where we are today.
	To even be able to survive.
	But we're not bound.
	No, we are not.
	We are unbound.
	But we're unbound thanks to our supporters, including the people that we're going to mention now, among others that we don't mention that are below a certain limit and they want to be anonymous.
	John Bolwood doesn't.
	$169.69, but he has no message and we don't know where he's from.
	Now, is it not time today that we...
	Do you have a script?
	A script for what?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	No.
	We've got to wait one more.
	One more.
	Thursday?
	Are we doing a Thursday?
	Thursday.
	Thursday we make it rain because we've got a lot of ladies.
	Yeah, there's a bunch of people backed up.
	They're all backed up.
	They're backed up.
	We've got to clean the stage.
	Mop it up.
	Dame Sam Menor.
	$111.00.
	This is Box Hill, South Victoria, Australia.
	The shows have been truly outstanding recently.
	They've been so good.
	I love your work.
	Here's $111.11 to make it rain for Michelle Dame Samantha from the House of Dubious Repute.
	Do we have pictures of...
	I don't know.
	She mentions that she's from the House of Dubious Repute.
	I need to see your paperwork.
	I would like to see what she looks like.
	I need your paperwork, Dame Sam.
	We have a couple of dames of dubious repute that listen to the show.
	I should hope so.
	Sir Stephen Count, yeah, this is a population thing.
	It's a numbers game.
	Sir Stephen, count the money.
	Whatever that means.
	In Pantago, North Carolina, $102.02, cleaning out my PayPal account.
	By the way, this is a good thing for people to remember to do.
	Very smart idea.
	A lot of people got money in the PayPal account.
	They're sitting there, not getting you nothing.
	And he cleaned out his PayPal account and sent it to us.
	Count the money.
	He says he got a voice message from the scam and fraud department when I first used my actual PayPal account.
	So he gave up on the whole thing.
	Richard Olson in Ellenberg, Washington, sent us $100, and he sent it in.
	Rick Olson, actually, and he sent in a QSL card.
	Oh.
	Yeah, it's Kentucky Fried 7, Quisling, new law.
	It's called Letters.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Rick Olson in Ellensburg, Washington.
	And he's got some sort of a nice picture on the card.
	He did send us a handwritten note.
	Sad to admit it.
	I'm a long-time boner.
	First-time donor.
	But actually, donor looks like cloner if you write the D in the C. Okay.
	My resolution for 2014 was to make up for that.
	Please find and close a check.
	One of ten for knighthood.
	He's going to go for knighthood.
	I'm not going to request anything except for karma for you two.
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	Amy.
	So I'm watching the democracy now.
	And so we decide to have, and I've used the word so too many times, but it's better than moreover.
	Moreover.
	Just use moreover.
	I'm going to try to use moreover now that you mention.
	I think it's a new thing.
	Moreover, um.
	Just moreover.
	So she has a real hard-on for the nuclear business.
	Oh, yes.
	And she always has.
	She's an old liberal and they all think like it's 1955 and we're all going to die and all the rest of it.
	So I couldn't help but...
	Pick up her, you know, she decides to do the show for the next few days from Tokyo, where she's wringing her hands over the fact that she's probably going to die from radiation.
	Is she talking about the fish and the starfish dying off, massive sea life annihilation?
	Well, mostly it's just anti-nuke propaganda.
	She does bring a lot of that up.
	I don't have time for all those clips.
	But let's start with, I wanted to hear the whole thing because she brings on this character who then, everything she does, this becomes a very embarrassing segment.
	She kills the show right after the end of this guy that she brings on who has actually a pretty good look in operation.
	But let's start with Amu, the Amu clip where she announced that she's on the road.
	Peace Report.
	I'm Amy Goodman.
	We are on the road in...
	On the road!
	On the road again.
	And that's the way she says it.
	On the road!
	We're on the road!
	She could get a gig at a Top 40 station any day.
	Hey everybody, it's Amy Goodman in the morning with you.
	We're on the road!
	Peace Report.
	I'm Amy Goodman.
	We are on the road in Tokyo, Japan.
	Broadcasting for the third of our three days of special.
	Broadcasting live from the top of the Empire State Building to all states in the tri-state area and beyond.
	We're on the road in Tokyo.
	Yo, I'm Amy Goodman.
	Japan is getting ready to mark the third anniversary of one of the world's worst atomic disasters.
	It was March 11, 2011, when a massive 9.0 magnitude earthquake triggered a devastating tsunami that struck Japan's northeast coast.
	What began as a natural disaster quickly cascaded into a man-made one, as system after system failed at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
	My God, John.
	Hold on.
	I've got to stop.
	She's, everything failed.
	She's reading it like this.
	Well, she's always tried to read like Walter Cronkite.
	Ah, that's what she's trying to do.
	It's annoying.
	Three of the six reactors suffered meltdowns.
	No, wrong, wrong.
	No, wrong.
	Stop.
	There was no meltdown.
	Shut up.
	Deadly radiation into the atmosphere and the ocean.
	Three years later, Japan is still reeling from the impact of the disaster.
	More than 340,000 people became nuclear refugees, forced to abandon their homes and their livelihoods.
	Entire towns were forced to evacuate, including Futaba, a town that housed part of the Fukushima Daiichi plant.
	Before March 11, 2011, nearly 7,000 people lived in the town.
	Today, Futaba is a nuclear ghost town.
	Hey, how is Nagasaki and Hiroshima operating?
	Are they nuclear ghost towns?
	Oh, by the way, not a single US president ever has visited the war memorial for Nagasaki or Hiroshima.
	You want to talk about nuclear disaster, Amy Goodman?
	You shit.
	Okay, so she brings on the mayor of either that town she just mentioned or Fukushima's mayor.
	And this, before we get to kind of the other meat...
	This, to me, was just ridiculous.
	It was a giveaway.
	It was a setup.
	It was the whole thing tells me what a scam, and leading the rest of the clips, what a scam she's into.
	You will have to laugh at the punchline of this one.
	This is Amy with the mayor.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	You had them numbered, but it's not.
	Okay, we're out of work.
	I got it.
	In the United States, a nuclear power plant has not been built in close to 40 years.
	Very much because of the anti-nuclear movement and the cost of what it means to build a nuclear power plant and what to do with the waste.
	But President Obama has talked about a nuclear renaissance and is pushing for the building of several new plants for the first time in decades.
	What message would you share with him?
	The nuclear power disaster is not just of Fukushima.
	This is a disaster of all humanity, of the entire world.
	There is a Japanese saying.
	Don't drop!
	And this meaning is that any kind of disaster is three times is the limit.
	And we've had the three large disasters, one in the United States, one at Chernobyl, and now Fukushima.
	This is not the only thing that the Earth has been given to the Earth.
	The Earth will not be able to cope with any further nuclear disasters.
	For the children of the future, the future generations, I hope that we can stop this now.
	What is the alternative?
	Well, I've heard in the U.S. there is shale gas, for example.
	No, you don't say.
	Make up your mind, people.
	Fracking.
	No, the fracking's good.
	That's great.
	So we bring this guy in, and Amy starts off acting like an idiot.
	This character runs this company.
	They name it.
	I don't have it off the top of my head, but you'll hear it.
	And it's actually pretty cool.
	This guy is a cool guy, and he's having none of her suppositions and her freakishness in this report.
	Here, do we start with Amy Goodman, zero.
	Safecast volunteers use Geiger counters and open source software to measure the radiation and then post the data online for anyone to access.
	Now, I do need to set it up a little bit.
	This company, Safecast, I'm convinced she brought this guy on to be like another shill for her opinions about the nuke industry and that we're all going to die and this guy's going to prove it because he's actually gone out there and created this interesting little system where it's kind of like the Google cars that take pictures.
	They just drive around with a Geiger counter with a GPS and then they monitor what the radiation is.
	Turns out not to be quite as horrible as she's imagining it, but finish this clip zero.
	Open source software to measure the radiation, then post the data online for anyone to access.
	Their effort comes as Japan recently passed a new secrecy bill.
	Well, for more, we're joined by Peter Franken, who is co-founder of Safecast.
	Welcome to Democracy Now!
	Explain what it is you've done.
	You're turning smartphones into Geiger counters?
	Not really.
	Not really.
	The guy goes, what?
	Where did you even get that idea?
	So he gives her a dumb look.
	I think she thought that was the case, and she was hoping to find out how people can use their smartphones as Geiger counters, which makes no sense, but okay.
	So we go on.
	Well, to be fair, there is a way with the camera to detect some radiation.
	Yeah, but it's not like a Geiger counter.
	And it's not going to be as accurate as...
	I have a nice Geiger counter here.
	Oh, I have one too.
	Go to Amy2Radiation in Tokyo, because now she's trying to get the guy to say, we're all going to die, and I'm taking a huge chance by being in Tokyo, but I'm only here three days.
	We're here in Tokyo, and this is where Fukushima is.
	You can see there is a big difference in color.
	Hold on, hold on.
	That's the Gets Nervous clip, I think.
	No.
	Is that what you want me to play?
	No, no.
	I'm playing two radiation in Tokyo?
	Yeah.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	It's around, what, 150 miles up the coast.
	And how toxic or radioactive is it here?
	Compared to the rest of Japan, Tokyo got a certain amount of fallout.
	Relatively speaking, I think the levels, what they are today, are maybe 50% higher than what they were before the disaster.
	But compared to locations in Fukushima, it's actually relatively low.
	So in terms of exposure to radioactivity, this is nothing compared to what is happening in Fukushima prefecture and areas around there.
	Ah, shit!
	This is not scary.
	She didn't get the answer she wanted.
	No.
	Now, actually, the other clip should have been played first.
	That was my mistake.
	But play, this is before he explains all this that there's nothing to worry about.
	This is her reacting to him.
	He's doing nothing more than holding up a tablet and then zooming in on Tokyo.
	And I'll try to kind of zoom in to where we are right now in Tokyo.
	And as we're zooming in, I think you can see...
	You're making me very nervous.
	You can see every single street.
	You can see all the measurements we have done around that.
	You're making me very nervous because I'm going to die of radiation!
	Wow.
	I was just, when she said that, I was thinking, what kind of a, what a screwed up person this has got to be.
	Can I ask you a question about this report?
	Yeah.
	I'm amazed that Amy is even in Japan because, you know, the nuclear fallout and the radiation from Hiroshima and from Nagasaki has just got to be frying her right now.
	She must be extremely worried about that true nuclear explosion, a real nuclear bomb that went...
	How far is...
	Let's just hold on a second.
	How far is Nagasaki...
	Nagasaki from Tokyo.
	How far?
	Let's find out.
	Because, you know, of course we all know that this radiation is going from all the way from...
	You'd look up Nagasaki to Tokyo, I'll look up Hiroshima to Tokyo.
	All right.
	I shall ask Google for directions.
	That's what I'm doing.
	It's quite a ways, actually.
	It seems to be...
	Oh, that's quite a ways...
	Oh yeah.
	Hiroshima is a long ways off.
	It's 420 miles.
	Now, that's not as far as Fukushima to San Francisco.
	I mean, we're all worried about the beaches.
	We have radiation washing up on the beach.
	So I would be very worried about the actual nuclear explosions that killed people.
	That radiation could be frying you, Amy Goodman.
	You should be very, very worried.
	She apparently got a paid speech, and that's why she's there.
	Ah, okay.
	Gotcha.
	Now, this last clip, which is Amy number three, Tepco, now she has tried with this guy to get him to be like she is a hand figure.
	To be scary.
	He's having none of it.
	He's actually doing what he's doing.
	It sounds like a really good idea, this Operation Safeco or whatever it is that is just monitoring.
	It's no big deal.
	Yeah.
	And so she said, well, there's a new secrecy law.
	She started off with that.
	They're trying to keep this information from the public.
	Is she reading World News Daily or something for show prep?
	What is she doing?
	Info wars?
	She knows she's got the ace in the hole.
	She's got the TEPCO, those evil TEPCO owners.
	She knows that they have to be meddling with this guy.
	They're screwing with him.
	Wait, wait.
	The Koch brothers.
	So here we go with the final coup d'etage or the coup de grace that she thinks she's got here and she's going to nail him here.
	We strongly believe that in order to have credibility, you need to check your data.
	And we at SafeCost, our goal is to independently measure as citizens if the data is correct or not.
	And the response of the corporation TEPCO, the Tokyo Electric Power Company that owns the nuclear power plants, to what you're doing?
	We have never been contacted by TEPCO, so I can't really give a good answer to that question.
	She closes the show right after that.
	I love when journalists waste my time by expanding the acronym.
	Yeah, right.
	This happens a lot, by the way, and I think it's used to show some authority, like, look how smart I am.
	I know what TEPCO stands for.
	Let's just listen to it again, and that guy's answer is genius.
	runs the, owns the nuclear.
	And then we measure as citizens if the data is correct or not.
	And the response of the corporation TEPCO, the Tokyo Electric Power Company that runs the.
	Hold on a second.
	She must know her stuff.
	She knows the acronym.
	The nuclear power plants to what you're doing.
	And we have never been contacted by TEPCO, so I can't really give a good answer to that.
	Good being on the road, everybody!
	And then she signs off.
	She was just so disappointed with this guy.
	Somebody who does show crap or does booking must have gotten something screwed up because I'm sure the person, the booker, got chewed out because this guy did not perform as advertised.
	And I just love the response from the uninformed towards these types of segments where we always get the same thing.
	Are you talking about the various douche segment of the chat room?
	Yes.
	If it's so safe, why don't you go do the podcast from Japan?
	Well, funny you ask, because we will be doing just that.
	I'm going to go to Japan with Miss Mickey.
	She's going to do a show in Japan, we hope.
	We already have a dame and a knight there.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	We better hurry before they're dead.
	We've got to go.
	You better get there in the next 40 years.
	Sir Mark and Dame Ashford, they may be dead.
	We can never make it in time.
	Just Google Fukushima.
	No, not Fukushima.
	It was Hiroshima Syndrome.
	Google that.
	Take a look at that guy's site.
	It is catching on, though.
	I have to say, more and more people and alternative media are saying, hey, hold on a second, there's a lot of misinformation out here.
	Listen, Amy's saying there's three meltdowns.
	I mean, right there, that's a lie.
	It's a lie.
	It's a blatant lie.
	There's no meltdown.
	What gets me in the chat room is that are there people that just listen to the show and think what we say, even though we document everything with either clips or actual documents, government documents, that we're just making this up?
	Yes.
	Why do they bother listening to the show?
	It's baffling.
	Are we that entertaining?
	Well, first of all, yes.
	Of course, we're entertaining, and this is a comedy show, after all.
	But it is human nature for people who are frustrated and angry to project onto other people.
	This is what the whole gay thing in Russia is about.
	We talked about it in the last show.
	Gays are being beat up all over the United States, all over Europe.
	We have Muslims terrorizing gays in Europe.
	I'm calling them out.
	It's true.
	This is what's happening.
	I speak some of the language over there.
	And then the same people who have Muslims being welcomed into their country and being provided with social services who are seriously terrorizing LGBTQQIs, these are the same people who are the most vocal about Russia.
	It's easy, and you're being manipulated by the Koch brothers.
	I'm telling you, it's all the Koch brothers.
	Those evil Koch brothers are doing it all.
	So we were at the, and this is, by the way, the Dell Long Center, which Michael Dell and his wife built.
	I have to say, it's a beautiful venue.
	It's right down the road from us.
	And they have a donor's lounge, which was, because the guy who invited us, Eric, He had a table.
	It was a good setup.
	So this lady comes over and she's a big MTV fan.
	But she spots Mickey first.
	And then she's, oh, I know who you are.
	And her husband was the chairman of the board of the Dell Center.
	And she's talking about...
	And she says, what do you do?
	And I'm like, well...
	I didn't feel like saying I'm a bum and everything.
	She says, yeah, podcast.
	Oh, yeah, no, I've heard about your podcast.
	She's listening to it.
	No agenda.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, no, I watch everything.
	Left and right, left and right.
	I watch Fox and I watch MSNBC. And it's crazy, crazy, crazy.
	And those Fox people are crazy.
	I said, well, you know it's run by Democrats.
	Smoke, John.
	Smoke came out of it.
	Like, what?
	You mean it's not run by the Koch brothers?
	No.
	I know.
	But why does everyone watch them?
	I said, have you seen the legs on Fox News?
	And now her eyes are rolling back in her head.
	I can't wait.
	She said she would listen.
	She won't listen because it's not video.
	Have you noticed that?
	Oh yeah, I've seen your show.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	You did not actually watch, did you?
	No.
	But the same with the Mincome.
	So we had a conversation about this concept of giving everybody a set amount of money and that this has been tried and there's been tests, etc.
	And we're just discussing it, right?
	And the first email I get is, oh, well you should stop your value for value system then.
	Try that!
	This is exactly the kind of email I get.
	It's that same guy.
	Why does he keep haunting us?
	This was a different guy.
	It was a different guy with that same voice.
	I wonder if I can find that.
	It was funny.
	I was like, wow, why do you get all angry?
	You can disagree.
	You can have opinions.
	But people who say, well, you should stop your podcast in Japan.
	You should do it.
	It's like, just go away.
	Yeah, really?
	Go away.
	Crazy.
	Two of our producers, they're young'uns, I believe.
	Let me just see where I have this.
	We have Brandon and Carrie.
	And they, I guess Carrie is also, she's completely into legislation stuff.
	And they're both producers and they listen to the show.
	I believe they're relatively young, like 20s.
	And they sent me two...
	Education bills from New York State, from the New York State Senate, which I had no idea this was going on, and I was really astounded by the first one.
	So these are proposed bills, and I don't see any reason why they wouldn't go into law.
	88186-2013, which on January 8th of 2014 was referred to education.
	So I'm pretty sure this will pass.
	An act to amend the education law, this is for New York State, in relation to including psychological screening for students in public schools as part of the required health certificate.
	I did not know, first of all, that in New York State...
	A health certificate shall be furnished by each student in the public schools upon his or her entrance in such school and upon his or her entry into the grades prescribed by the commissioner in regulations, provided that such regulations shall require such certificates at least twice during the elementary grades and twice in the secondary grades.
	Yeah, this will make sure that people get their flu shots.
	This is done by the drug companies.
	So here's the new part.
	Performed...
	And that the child is mentally fit to permit attendance at school.
	Each certificate shall also state the student's body mass index and weight status category.
	Nice.
	Maybe you should check their teeth, make sure that they're sturdy and their coats are shiny and make sure their nails aren't too sharp.
	For purposes of this section, body mass index is computed as the weight in kilograms divided by the square of height in meters or the weight in pounds divided by the square, blah, blah, blah.
	This is very disturbing.
	They are now equating body mass index to mental health.
	And then the second one, Bill...
	This is all because of honey boo-boo.
	There's no doubt about it.
	Well, okay.
	So this has now been referred to the Education Committee, January 8, 2014.
	This bill, an act to amend the education law in relation to requiring persons in parental relation with a child of elementary school age to attend parent support programs.
	The purpose of this bill requires parents to attend support programs designed to enhance parenting skills.
	What?
	Wow.
	You are not doing it well.
	This would be clip of the day.
	You are not parenting properly.
	Summary of scientific provisions.
	Amends the education law, section 3212, subdivision 2, by adding a new paragraph, F. Requires parents of elementary school children to attend a minimum of four parent support instruction programs.
	You must learn how to instruct your children.
	Prior to the child's advancement to the seventh grade.
	Requires employers to provide one day per year of paid job leave for the purposes of attending such instruction programs.
	It's tough.
	Amends the educational law.
	This has got to be going on in a lot of states.
	Requires the commissioner, in consultation with the Board of Regents, to develop guidelines for the content and distribution of a series of 12 parenting workshops.
	Provides that the topic of one such workshop shall be related to the physical, emotional, and sexual abuse of children.
	Requires the completion of four workshops prior to the child's graduation.
	They're going to have workshops on how to abuse children?
	I hope so.
	Requires the completion of four workshops prior to the child's graduation from the sixth grade and shall be a requirement for advancement to the seventh grade.
	Mom!
	You've got to go to the workshop or I won't graduate!
	Wow.
	This is sad.
	Sad.
	It's also annoying to parents.
	It makes you not want to have kids.
	Maybe that's the point.
	Well, it could be.
	Huh.
	I have a couple of oddball clips.
	I do have one just a little, because I know you've got a bunch of stuff left, but I do have a little entremant Oh, an entremant.
	That's the little thing the chef has prepared specifically for you to cleanse your palate in between?
	Yes.
	And it comes in a little shot glass.
	Usually, yeah, a shot glass.
	I don't know why they just don't give you a shot of something.
	That'd be great.
	I don't know if you should drink it or you spoon it.
	You never quite know.
	It depends.
	Usually there's instructions that come with the entremant.
	I always like it.
	The chef, not the, but the chef has prepared this for you especially?
	No, he hasn't.
	He had a whole fucking thing he did earlier.
	Don't bullshit me with that.
	Yeah, I know.
	I hate that, by the way.
	I always want to throw it in the waiter's face when they lie to me.
	They're lying to me.
	And by the way, I've had a lot of success in Austin with my 142 degrees.
	What temperature would you like your meat, sir?
	142 degrees.
	Huh.
	66 Kelvin.
	You brought this up before I forgot about it.
	I think I'm going to try it.
	Has someone not asked you this yet?
	No, no.
	In the West Coast, they still don't.
	How would you like it done?
	They've not asked.
	What temperature?
	In Los Angeles, they do it.
	Some Texas thing.
	No, it's Los Angeles is where I heard this first.
	Oh, really?
	Yes.
	Well, it hasn't gravitated up here.
	Thank God.
	That's why we gave you the Fukushima rati radiation.
	If I hear that, I'm going to spit at the guy and throw my napkin down and walk out.
	Okay.
	So this is a new segment I want to see.
	Maybe you won't like it.
	I try these new segments all the time trying to keep the show a living show.
	Fresh.
	Fresh.
	I always try to keep the show a fresh living show.
	And this one is going to be, this new segment is called Guess the Movie.
	And you have to guess the movie because I know you're a great movie buff.
	Okay.
	Seymour Butts, 39.
	No, no, you've got to guess it after the clip.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Alright, guess the movie.
	And now, I see the clip is 40 seconds.
	Now, are you going to give me any frame of reference?
	Uh, no.
	Okay.
	It's such a classic clip that you'll guess it immediately.
	Everyone be quiet.
	I have to concentrate now.
	Top Gun.
	Just play the clip then guess.
	Wait, wait.
	This is much better.
	Akyro's own magic mixture.
	Let me help you.
	What do you think you're doing?
	Covering your wound.
	My wound is lower.
	We don't want an infection to spread.
	I'll spread your head open.
	This is what the world has come to.
	You try to help somebody, and what do you get instead of thanks?
	Threats.
	This is a dumb segment.
	You're going to guess or not?
	I have no idea.
	Conan the Destroyer, starring Arnold Schwarzenegger.
	Ah.
	I thought you were more of a movie buff.
	Not at all.
	Oh, why did I think that?
	I don't know.
	I don't know anything about movies.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, I'll can the segment.
	I mean, I can do that.
	I mean, you're a movie buff.
	You're the movie buff.
	You're just setting this up for when I'm dead.
	So you have a segment.
	I'll be talking about movies.
	And I went to the movies the other day.
	It's John C. Dvorak's movie time, everybody.
	I like that movie.
	Okay.
	A couple things here.
	We, too, received an email from Target.
	Of course, we were part of the attack and had all our cards reissued.
	Miss Mickey got a whole bunch of stuff going on.
	And she received the email from Target, which...
	I'm sure you've seen...
	Have you seen this email?
	You've heard about it, right?
	I have not seen the email since I was not a targeted targeted guy.
	Well, it's interesting because a lot of people who never even shopped at Target Received this email.
	And the email essentially says, please click here to sign up for a free year of consumer credit protection.
	Sure, this just wasn't a scam email?
	Well, so Mickey says, oh, I got this email.
	It looks like a scam because it says target.com.
	B-I-0.com or something.
	I'm like, oh, that's a scam.
	And I Google around and it turns out they hired a marketing company to send out this email, but more egregious when people...
	Yeah, it's target.B-F-I-0.com.
	Targetnews at target.B-F-I-0.com.
	So people start investigating.
	Yes, it turns out, oh, yes, no, this is legit.
	And people are saying, well, hold on a second.
	I've never shopped at Target.
	How did you get my email address?
	Oh, well, we just do this as normal course of business.
	And some evidence points to Amazon selling their email addresses to this marketing company, which is egregious.
	I never got one of these letters, though.
	It still might come.
	But more interesting, if you then click around and go through kind of the path, because they want you to sign up to Experian's...
	There's basically three credit agencies.
	Experian is the one they're promoting.
	And immediately I got all kinds of other emails from other companies.
	Oh, no, no, you definitely should be using us.
	And I just looked at Experian, their vision statement on their website.
	Our vision is for experienced people, data, and technology to become a necessary part of every major consumer economy in the world.
	Oh, God.
	And this is why I'm just opting out.
	I'm not doing it.
	I'm cash.
	I'm debit cards.
	Screw you.
	I'm not being a part of your stupid-ass system, which the president promotes.
	Very, very, very, very bad.
	So here's a question for you, then.
	So the banks don't seem to care about this.
	No, they don't care because they got it covered.
	And you're always harping on how J.P. Morgan has no problem coming up with $20 billion in fines.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Now, let me ask you a question.
	So if you're J.P. Morgan, right, and you got these computers and everything, and I really, this is a real, it may sound weird, this is a very serious question.
	And the government says, alright, you gotta give us $20 billion in fines.
	Now, is it inconceivable that That they just send an email with a number with $20 billion on it and say, here you go?
	Because no one actually took a truck of money and said, here it is.
	So who actually controls this money?
	Before you answer...
	Is it not conceivable that the banks are in on this one big joke and they just like...
	It will just send this email.
	Or, you know, hey, what's your name?
	Mike Rogers?
	Oh, we see you have $100,000 in your account.
	We just added a zero.
	You now have a million.
	Is that not possible?
	I wish they would.
	I mean, who tracks that?
	Who in the world tracks the numbers?
	Because seriously, I have...
	Let's say I have $5,000 in my bank account.
	It seems pretty easy.
	If I knew the guy well enough, the Chase guy, he could just add a zero to that.
	Who would know?
	Somewhere at the Treasury does an alarm bell go off?
	How does that work?
	I mean, it's all double-entry accounting at some level, even on the computer level.
	So if you put a zero on things, it's not going to balance, the books aren't going to balance, and someone's going to find that zero.
	So you're telling me that all these banks, all these electronic systems, all come into the Federal Reserve, I guess, or the Treasury.
	Where is it?
	Is it both?
	And at the end of the day, there's a guy there with a green visor and says, Yep, equal numbers on both sides, boss.
	Good to go.
	Yeah.
	You can't answer.
	I know you can't.
	No, I don't know if I knew how the whole thing actually worked.
	That's why I think how it idealistically works.
	I don't know what's really going on because I don't know who does.
	But they're not doing that.
	No.
	They're not just throwing money away.
	But what's interesting is, and this kind of calls back to the beginning of the show, the way it's spoken about is the Fed's discount window.
	You know, like Jamie Dimon is driving his Lexus up to the Federal Reserve, rolls down the window, hey, got any money for me?
	And then like a big bag is handed out.
	Isn't that the way they make it?
	Yeah, well, now that you mention it, that sounds a little like that because there's a window involved.
	Or the Federal Reserve is printing money.
	No, they're not.
	No, they're not.
	They're not printing money.
	I was just curious, in the big system...
	Well, I mean, it's something that we should probably try to understand a little better than we do.
	I'd love to.
	Maybe there's somebody out there who's got a deep understanding that could just sit us down and lecture us for a couple of hours or draw some stuff on a whiteboard and show us how this works.
	But yeah, no.
	We don't know.
	Wouldn't it be funny?
	Let's just presume everyone's in on the game.
	And we trust the system.
	We trust it.
	So everyone's in on the game.
	And everyone's like, look at that asshole Jamie Dimon.
	People are going to find out, man.
	Stop putting zeros behind everything.
	Stop sending the emails with the big zeros.
	Because people are going to find out it's just fake.
	Well, if it's fake, it seems to be working.
	It used to be backed by gold, I understand.
	And you could say, how much gold do you have?
	Well, this is how much gold I have, therefore you have this much money, kind of, more or less.
	That went away.
	That's been gone for a long time.
	So I just question, I just wonder.
	Yeah.
	I always get these offers.
	This cracks me up, by the way.
	Chase sends me an offer.
	If I put $15,000 in new money into an account, presumably that I have in my mattress, they will give me a check for $175.
	Right.
	And so the first thing is like, who do you think I am?
	What marketing genius told you that I have $15,000 laying around the house?
	Because they send this offer all the time.
	And two...
	So, if they're going to add that to their computer, where does it get subtracted from?
	It's just part of their normal expenses.
	It's an expense, probably.
	Like any other bookkeeping that's done on any company.
	You put your $15,000 in their bank, and they have this marketing budget, and they give you $175.
	Oh, no, I'm sorry, not that.
	So, the $15,000, it came from somewhere.
	Yeah, your other bank account.
	So...
	Yeah, but...
	So that bank account is going to...
	Where do they report this in?
	Hey, we got his 15.
	Hey, we lost his 15.
	Where does it get reported into?
	You understand my question?
	Yeah, the electronic funds system has got this...
	Oh, the electronic funds system.
	Okay.
	Generally speaking, they're going to give you a check, and then you're going to take the check over there.
	It's not going to go over EFT. You're going to walk to one bank and do it by hand.
	You're going to get a check for the money.
	You could cash the check and take cash over to the case if you wanted to.
	I'm just wondering if someone is really tracking all this stuff.
	That's all.
	I have a feeling it's not being tracked.
	I hope they are.
	I have a feeling it's not being tracked and it's a big joke and we're not in on it.
	Well, it would be nice if it was a big joke and we could get a few zeros added to our accounts.
	But I don't see any evidence that it is.
	And if it's happening, we're definitely not in on it.
	Let's go back to Fukushima.
	Really?
	You weren't done?
	No, I got different stuff.
	There's a different report.
	This is not on Amy's watch.
	This is just an interesting human interest, or pig interest, I guess, thing about what's going on with the hybrid pigs in Fukushima.
	Next, radiation, tainted soil, buildings left exposed to the elements.
	Areas within the evacuation zone of Japan's Fukushima Prefecture face countless challenges in trying to reestablish themselves.
	People who live in places where the contamination is relatively low are hoping to return within a few years.
	But they now face another impediment.
	While they've been gone, hybrids of wild boars and domestic pigs have been moving in.
	Former residents of Tomioka have been cleared to spend the daylight hours in their town.
	But they've got company.
	Hey, wait a minute.
	This is not a news gig.
	He's doing the documentary for Sesame Street News.
	And they've got company.
	Hybrid pigs roam freely throughout the area.
	Unlike wild boars, they are not wary of humans.
	They don't run away even if people approach them.
	That also means they're not shy about making themselves at home.
	This man has been returning to his home from time to time in hopes of eventually moving back permanently.
	One day, he found his house had turned into a pigsty.
	I close the doors, but they open them and walk around with muddy feet.
	The pigs ate all the sugar and salt he had stored on his porch.
	They didn't stop there.
	Anything else that was edible, they got to, including cooking oil.
	Wild boars do not enter homes.
	They hate the smell of humans.
	Hybrid pigs are different.
	Our smell makes them happy.
	I can't get one voiceover commercial, yet this guy is doing this gig?
	The hybrid pig's human smell makes them happy.
	Just a little background, a little short bit.
	Here's the hybrid pig story number two, which gives some people some feeling about what's going on with these pigs.
	In Japan, hybrid pigs are raised for meat.
	They are the offspring of male wild boars and female domestic pigs.
	Whee!
	Their meat is said to be less fatty than that of ordinary pigs and to smell less.
	Like wild boars, the hybrids have ravenous appetites.
	They eat all types of food, including plants and meat.
	On the other hand, they resemble domestic pigs in their lack of fear of humans.
	so they're not shy about breaking and entering a human abode.
	Even as humans are required to stay away for the most part, the hybrid animal population is multiplying.
	I don't understand this our smell makes them happy business.
	What is going on with that?
	I have no idea what that's all about.
	That's really bad.
	And I don't understand.
	Here's the other thing.
	If this was happening here, we'd just shoot the thing.
	Yeah.
	But no, they can't shoot anything.
	They don't even got a bow and arrow.
	I mean, it's like the whole...
	This one guy, his house has been ruined by these pigs.
	Pigs.
	And he can't do shit about it.
	He can't get them to leave.
	Goddamn pigs.
	Can't kick them.
	You know, I've been saving this clip for maybe a week and a half, and it ties into your Fukushima reporting.
	This is from World Radio Japan News.
	I love listening to other countries' world news.
	First of all, it's in English, but then you do get some local reporting.
	You know there's some propaganda in there.
	But this may explain...
	I don't know if it explains the hybrid pigs, but it may explain Amy going in to try and wreak havoc and make everybody afraid.
	Japan's government has approved a 10-year business plan from Tokyo Electric Power Company that relies on restarting nuclear reactors to turn its business around.
	You see?
	We can't have that.
	We've got to get our gas over there, people.
	We can't have it.
	That's an interesting report.
	Don't start this.
	We do know from experts that two of the reactors are fine.
	Well, here we go.
	Industry Minister Toshimitsu Motegi on Wednesday gave approval of the plan to TEPCO President Naomi Hirose.
	The utility was effectively put under state control after the 2011 nuclear crisis at its Fukushima Daiichi plant.
	We're not pronouncing it right.
	Fukushima Daiichi.
	You're not pronouncing it right.
	Fukushima.
	Try it.
	Fukushima.
	The chairman of the steering committee for the state-backed Fund for Nuclear Accident Compensation, Akio Harada, was also present.
	Under the plan, TEPCO hopes to begin restarting reactors in stages at its Kashiwazaki Kariwa plant in Niigata Prefecture from July.
	The utility envisions earning an annual pre-tax profit of between $950 million and $1.4 billion by resuming nuclear power generation and rebuilding aging thermal power plants.
	The utility says it will then gradually lower electricity fees by up to $9.6 billion annually over the following decade.
	The firm plans to set aside $19 billion to create a task force to deal with contaminated water and to dismantle reactors at the Fukushima plant.
	The business plan also says profits from sales of TEPCO shares held by state-backed compensation fund will be used for decontamination efforts.
	The utility plans to close all ten of its branches in its service area and to reduce its group workforce by 2,000 employees.
	TEPCO says these efforts will cut costs by about $46 billion, helping the company become a competitive business.
	Competitive against our gas.
	Yeah.
	That's a great report.
	I didn't know that.
	Well, it's an okay report because, wow, how boring do they make radio over there?
	Yeah, it couldn't be any duller.
	That's true.
	That's pretty bad.
	I got a book.
	Do you still write for Market Watch?
	No, I stopped writing for Market Watch.
	Everybody laughed, all the good editors, and they left some nut balls in there, and I got kicked off.
	What's this Business Insider publication?
	Are you familiar with the Business Insider?
	Yeah, what's his name?
	His operation.
	Who does that?
	You know, the guy.
	Oh, that guy.
	I don't know why I can't remember.
	Here, let me get his name.
	Business...
	I like the name, by the way.
	I think it's a good name.
	No, it's very well...
	A good name.
	It's well executed, let's put it that way.
	Okay.
	So here's this...
	I just want to point out how some things work sometimes.
	It's important because it's a Sunday and there's a lot of technology news and stuff.
	I want to just show people how this works.
	So I get a lot of emails from people with the following headline.
	Hackers have used a refrigerator!
	And these hackers, apparently, and Ars Technica, everyone's reporting this.
	And it happened between December 23rd, January 6th.
	And I'm like, what is going on?
	Where can I find out more about this?
	I did what we call journalism, which is basically just reverse...
	You actually looked into it.
	Yeah.
	And so it comes from a...
	You okay?
	A hairball.
	It comes from a press release, which is posted on MarketWatch, from the company Proofpoint, Inc.
	So here we have BusinessInsider.com, Ars Technica, all talking about this.
	Oh, it's the Internet of Things!
	The Internet of Things is attacking you!
	The Internet of Things!
	And you go look at these guys, Proofpoint.com, who essentially sells some kind of secure email product.
	And so, Proofpoint Research, Internet of Things, IOT, cyber attack security!
	In January 2014, Proofpoint researchers discovered proof of a much-theorized but never-before-seen Internet of Things cyber attack!
	Proofpoint has observed that we believe to be an industry first of devices, including some home appliances, TVs, and a refrigerator, sending malicious email spam.
	And they go on to...
	They have nothing.
	They don't even have a...
	It's one page.
	They don't have a report.
	They don't have a white paper.
	All they've got is links to their product, which is the Proofpoint next-generation email product.
	And they're claiming that a more detailed examination suggested, while a majority of mail was initiated by expected Internet of Things devices, IoT, such as compromised home networking devices, routers, and network...
	Are you telling me this ran as a press release on MarketWatch?
	Yes.
	This bullcrap story ran on MarketWatch, just a straight-up press release, unedited?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Wow.
	Yes.
	But it was worse.
	It's picked up by Ars Technica, which is the Bible for most technology shows, as, oh my God, the Internet of Things is being attacked.
	And they had nothing.
	They have nothing.
	It's just a press release.
	And they have no report.
	They have no evidence, no paper on their research.
	They're just saying, we did research, here's what we discovered.
	Nothing.
	Nothing.
	They just said it.
	They didn't even show anything.
	Nothing.
	There wasn't even a PowerPoint deck.
	No.
	And then here at the bottom of their page, Proofpoint Targeted Attack Protection, trademark, represents the industry's first comprehensive solution for combating targeted threats using a full lifecycle approach, monitoring suspicious messages as they come in, and observing user clicks as they attempt to reach out.
	By using big data analysis techniques and the cloud architecture, Proofpoint can identify suspicious messages.
	Did you read something like this and some other thing recently in one of the shows?
	Another crock of crap, I think it was on the Business Insider.
	It sounds like the same guy wrote it.
	It doesn't have a...
	There's no name on this.
	I don't know who...
	No, no.
	Press releases never have a name, except they'll put some contact name.
	What I would like everyone to do, a lot of people...
	We have a lot of sysadmins, a lot of people who listen to this stuff.
	Pay attention to how this story is going to the refrigerator that attacked, okay?
	The Internet of Things.
	Attack of the refrigerator!
	And put it in the Red Book.
	I guarantee you, a senator or a congressman...
	We'll use this story for some bullshit legislation.
	And this is the genesis of it.
	And the new Red Book.
	Beautiful.
	Beautiful.
	It's actually leather.
	I hate to say this.
	Leather bound?
	It's leather bound, but it's made out of black leather.
	So I have to just...
	It's just called the Red Book now.
	It's not actually read.
	It's not actually read anymore?
	Well, it's not very official.
	It's like one-hour cleaners.
	So, I did want to just say, we have a sysadmin who emailed us, and he says, oh, I'm a sysadmin.
	I just want you to understand what a lot of this is coming down to when it comes to the Target hack, all this cyber crap.
	He says, follow the money.
	It's called PCI DSS. Did you get this email?
	No, what's it called again?
	PCI DSS. Payment card industry data security standard.
	Okay.
	This is what it comes down to.
	Gents in the morning, long-time listener here in East Texas.
	A little hard to hit people in the mouth in East Texas.
	They're too strongly in the Republican camp to change, but I do what I can.
	It comes to no surprise to see the target game as an industry move to impose PCI DSS. You will be forced to comply with this, which you don't have to at the moment, but just watch.
	Now, he explains what happened to, he has a group that does some camping things.
	I think it's a church group.
	He says, here's what happened to us.
	In order to even get a payment processor, and the PCI DSS is, it's basically run by the payment processors, by the banks and the credit card companies.
	So they hit you per transaction to maximize the hurt.
	I work at this camp in East Texas.
	We're going through PCI compliance.
	Here's how the money's made.
	It costs us $15,000 to have a guy fly out to tell us what we needed to do.
	Then they run a pen test to pick apart your firewall.
	The whole thing is set up so they can push you to their vendor partners to fill in the gaps.
	It costs us $10,000 to get PCI compliant card readers that encrypt the PAN data at the point of swiping.
	The card readers only work with certain processors, so we had to get a new processor to use them.
	There are logging and reporting tools that set us back another 45,000.
	Then firewall and switching upgrades that hit us for another 20,000.
	And now we have endless documentation to keep up the ridiculous policies that we have to adhere to.
	Then we get to do the gap assessment and pen test every year.
	It only gets worse as you take in more money and the number of transactions go up.
	I believe they see the money to be made and want to make PCI mandatory by law.
	There are major companies that just pay the fines because the fines are cheaper than the cost of becoming compliant.
	And if you look at the PCI DSS organization website, which is PCIsecuritystandards.org, it tells you why you should comply with PCI security standards.
	But let's just look at what happens if you are not compliant.
	If you are not compliant, it could be disastrous.
	Possible negative consequences also include lawsuits, insurance claims, canceled accounts, payment card issuer fines, and government fines.
	So this is it.
	PCIDSS. Ah, I think that's a great find.
	We will follow this closely.
	I think you're dead on.
	It's one of these things you create.
	I've seen this.
	This is a type of marketing, by the way.
	The way it works is that if you create a product that would include information that would keep you out of trouble and you don't use the product and you get in trouble, the people putting you in trouble, in other words, the people putting you in trouble, in other words, the people suing you, will point to your product and ask them why they're not using that.
	It's actually a good thing.
	It's a great system.
	He created a disc that had all the accounting suits or something, some crazy bunch of data.
	And he realized that what he'd had, he was a marketing guy that was one of the greatest I've ever met.
	He said that once this thing was finished, you had to buy it because if you didn't have it, you would get sued for not having it.
	Exactly.
	And that's what this sounds like.
	This sounds like the exact same scheme.
	Well, I thank our producer, our sysadmin producer, who specifically left his name and his organization out.
	He's the one that turned me on to the PCI DSS. I put like five, six, seven links in the show notes so you can read up on it.
	But it seems like a shoe-in.
	Just listen to that money.
	He's got a little church group.
	Some way to invest in anything having to do with this.
	PCI DSS. Well, ask Horowitz.
	I'm going to now.
	I'll put him on that track.
	We'll probably have a couple good stock picks on the next day.
	Good, good, good.
	I've been promising Turkey stuff.
	I have like 15 links.
	I found a great new resource, an online resource for Turkish information.
	I'm having dinner Monday with one of our producers here who's way into this.
	Of course, we have our producer who speaks and reads Turkish, so I'm really all over it.
	But something changed.
	Something happened.
	So far we kind of have two theories.
	Either one, Erdogan and the Gulenist movement are working together to create some controversy so that Erdogan can be certain of re-election and clamping down.
	Or we have the CIA and the American intelligence agencies who are protecting the now opposition to the Erdogan government and are doing what we typically do, which is create a ruckus Have stuff explode, people get angry, protests in the street, and then, you know, we got to kick one guy out and bring our guy in, which would probably be a Gulenist, someone from the Gulen camp.
	And something new happened, besides the Turkish lira hitting a new low against the dollar, so the financial crisis is in place.
	We wanted that, and all of a sudden we have people, it's not reported on, you're not going to see it on CNN, unless Justin Bieber is in Turkey.
	There are now protests against a, quote, draconian internet bill.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, this is the big news that was on all the alternative media.
	So that means Turkish Spring.
	Seriously, think about it.
	That's exactly what you want.
	You want people on the street.
	Well, you can't do away with internet freedoms.
	Oh, no.
	And, you know, what's the douchebag from NPR? The tweet guy.
	Randy Carvin.
	Oh, I'm tweeting with Turkey now.
	I'm retweeting Turkey.
	Oh, they're trying to shut down the internet.
	Oh, Facebook can't use Facebook.
	Yeah, there'll be an internet in a box.
	Internet in a box.
	What else?
	I guess it's internet in a suitcase is what they call it.
	Yeah, internet in a suitcase.
	We're going to have some superstar who's retweeted by Andy, Randy, Andy Carvin.
	Yeah, no, you're right.
	It sounds like it's a fractal.
	Hold on a second.
	Hold on a second.
	The fractal.
	Yeah, well, it's a big fractal.
	I don't even know what...
	We haven't used the fractal thing in so long.
	I don't know where the fractal jingle is.
	Which is sad.
	Yeah, it sounded kind of like that.
	I was also just going to call...
	Hey, CNN, get Pooper over to Turkey!
	Will do.
	Anderson pooper to Turkey.
	Anderson pooper to Turkey.
	Get on the square, buddy.
	Get into Istanbul.
	Time to go.
	Don't cross that river.
	They don't like your kind on the other side of the river, son.
	They don't like your kind over there.
	Why am I doing this southern accent when I'm talking about homosexuals?
	You're getting a slight Texas accent.
	Sounds good.
	I'm trying.
	I'm really trying.
	Just listen and you'll get it.
	You might want to modify it by talking through your teeth.
	All right, son.
	Listen up.
	This is how we do it here in Austin.
	In Austin, by the way, the guys who were protesting, doing the hunger strike against fluoridation of Austin's water, they're gone.
	Oh, they got paid off finally.
	They might have been.
	I don't know.
	I thought they were going to go for at least a month, they said, and they were just gone.
	Day 14, gone.
	I don't know if they died of hunger or if they were picked up or paid off.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Okay, I got one final clip.
	All right.
	It's kind of interesting.
	Just because there's a little rant involved.
	All right.
	Play the clip, Egypt votes yes.
	Egypt votes yes.
	A resounding yes.
	98% of voters in Egypt give the thumbs up to the country's new constitution, which will replace the charter adopted under the ousted president Mohamed Morsi.
	Okay, just for all the people out there that live in places like Egypt, there is no such thing as 98% vote yes.
	If everybody agreed to it, more than 2% would vote no just out of some crackpot idea.
	It's impossible.
	Every time you hear 98% vote yes or 98% anything, all it means is that this was a corrupt vote.
	Well, I don't understand.
	98% of scientists agree on climate change.
	Yes, another example.
	It's impossible to put, you can put 10 people, let's say 100 people that all agree on something, in a room to vote on it.
	And numerous members of that group will vote no.
	Uh-huh.
	Just the way it is.
	So I just thought, okay, this is going to be interesting.
	So in other words, we've taken over the place.
	Anyway, I've got other stuff.
	I've got some great Agenda 21 stuff for Thursday.
	They're talking reunification in Korea.
	Yeah?
	Not being reported here.
	Interesting.
	Where's it being reported?
	It's being reported in South Korea.
	Interesting.
	Interesting.
	Reunification, huh?
	Yeah.
	Our worst nightmare.
	Yeah.
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