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	The Chinese disaster of 2030.
	I don't know what we're going to call it.
	The Chinese population disaster of 2030?
	2030.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, January 16th, 2014.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 583.
	This is No Agenda.
	Counting down to the 2030 Armageddon from FEMA Region 6 here at the Traverside Touted and also Toxas, Toxas, Toxas in the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from Northern Silicon Valley where I've just noticed my third Red Book is full.
	I don't know what I'll do.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	Well, maybe we should incorporate the Red Book into this brand new system I'm using.
	Uh-oh.
	Yeah, no, it's actually...
	This can't be good.
	No, well, you heard me mess up my opening.
	Because as I was reading the line, I always write my opening.
	What?
	Yeah, I always write my opening.
	You know I write the opening.
	Oh, I'm so disappointed.
	Yeah, right.
	I still mix it all live.
	But as I'm reading it, I'm like, wow, it's so much easier to read.
	Have you ever had this?
	I've had this with Teleprompter.
	Where you're reading something off the teleprompter and you're looking into the camera, but you're thinking something completely different.
	And it's smooth as silk.
	Yeah, except this wasn't so smooth, because I was thinking, I'm counting down to the 2030 Arm again, like, my God, look how beautiful this type font is.
	This looks really good.
	And then I messed up taxes.
	I said taxes instead of taxes.
	Taxes.
	Well, there you have it.
	Gitmo Nation, no taxes.
	I remember the first, when I used to do broadcasting when I was young in college and just after college, and you'd read these PSAs and these different kinds of things they'd hand you.
	Yeah.
	And I remember the first time where I was reading it where I actually felt like I was saying it without reading it.
	I know what you're saying.
	It's really...
	When you get to that level, and I had that...
	Because MTV was almost eight years of this.
	When you get to that level where they can put three lines and one word, and you can weave in and out of that and talk to people, it really is...
	It's like...
	It's great!
	It really is.
	It makes you feel very powerful.
	I don't know about that.
	It always made me feel good.
	I'm like, I got this.
	I can handle this.
	No, but if you sound natural, what I was saying, when you actually feel you're sounding natural, and even though you're reading, I think that's kind of an interesting moment.
	It is indeed.
	As opposed to some people who just never get to that.
	They're always reading.
	It sounds like they're reading.
	Of course, some people may, I think an interesting reverse engineering version of this is to just make it sound like you're reading when you talk.
	Yeah.
	Hi, honey.
	How are you doing today?
	How was your day?
	Hello, dear.
	How was your day, honey?
	How are you?
	Yeah, try that.
	No, but Dave Jones, who's been working on the Freedom Controller with me for...
	We've been doing this three years now, I think.
	He delivered kind of like the next generation...
	This thing, this software, John, it's like a news show in a box thing.
	It takes you all the way from like a Pinterest for news all the way to show notes.
	All the way through.
	The No Agenda show runs on this.
	I just wrote that down on a piece of paper which will be lost to history.
	Pinterest for news?
	Sorry?
	What did you write down?
	Pinterest for news?
	Yeah.
	It's funny because that came to me in the middle of the night and I emailed myself that.
	I'm like, hey, that's pretty good actually.
	That's a pitch.
	That's a pitch right there.
	Oh yeah, no, it's a pitch for some money.
	Exactly.
	Think of it as Pinterest for news.
	Pinterest for the newsroom, John.
	For the newsroom is even better than that.
	Anyway, so just to start off, I did not watch you on the Twitch shows live because Miss Mickey and I decided to watch the Golden Globes on Sunday.
	From beginning to end, we actually watched the red carpet.
	I needed to experience some entertainment in my life.
	Well, you know, luckily here in the West Coast, and this has been traditional for years because they start at 5 o'clock for the East Coasters and then you get it at, I guess, 7?
	7, yeah, 7 o'clock.
	They play it twice in a row.
	Oh, right.
	So you get it live and they start over again.
	They start over again at 8, so I didn't have to worry.
	I knew I was going to miss them because I'm doing the show, but then I knew I'd just catch it at 8.
	I have no clips or anything.
	It's not necessary because it was the experience in general.
	First of all, throughout the entire, every acceptance speech, I'm like, where is the political stuff?
	I don't care if it's pro or con, it doesn't matter.
	Can somebody please say something about the state of the world on this incredible platform?
	No.
	Especially with the Golden Globes, which are supposed to be fun and you can do whatever you want.
	And by the way, it's the Hollywood foreign press.
	It's about the entire world.
	It's not just the United States.
	It's the foreign press.
	You know the Golden Globes are actually solely owned by Peter Guber?
	I don't know.
	Is that a fact?
	As far as I know, yeah, he used to do a show with Peter Bart on public TV, and Bart kept needling him about that.
	Well, they used to be completely corrupt, and I guess they cleaned that up a while ago.
	But anyway, so two things.
	The main thing is, after we were done, and it was over at 10, it was on time, I turned off the TV, and Mickey and I looked at each other like, I'm so depressed.
	Why?
	Well, because for three hours, the television was telling me, my family's not perfect, I don't look good, I have the wrong car.
	I mean, I felt like assaulted by these ads.
	And, you know, and I'm a sensitive guy in general.
	And, yeah, my family's not perfect.
	Sensitive, yeah.
	And then you just see all these commercials with kids and parents and everything's great and they all love each other and everything's fabulous.
	And the kid winds up being an Olympic athlete and you just feel like a shit, like a stupid, no good, low life parent who has the wrong car.
	I don't have a Cadillac.
	And I don't know what that is.
	But I physically felt depressed.
	So, you know, this is not healthy for you.
	We never watch television, or rarely.
	So to really go through the whole thing, I don't know how people, no wonder people need all these antidepressants.
	The television is depressing you!
	It was really, you know, it was like a grand experiment.
	Well, I kind of sped watch it, so I zoomed past the commercials.
	I know it kind of skipped around.
	I didn't even see.
	I probably watched about a third of it.
	And it was, you know, Tina Fey and her friend are funny to a point.
	You know, how many times is it going to remain funny that these chicks are drunk and making out with superstars?
	And it's not funny anymore.
	It's just not.
	It's not funny.
	And how many people understand who Harvey Weinstein is when you're doing inside jokes?
	No one knows who Harvey is.
	It's like some fathead dude there.
	I don't know who that is.
	This is true.
	I think there's a little too much inside baseball.
	The thing that kind of hit today, and I believe it stems from a post.
	It may have been from the Huffington Post.
	I'm sure they stole it from somewhere else or copied it.
	The gay community, the LGBTQQ and I, are very outraged at Matthew McConaughey and Jared Leto.
	And it's funny.
	This is just funny.
	This is how lame the LGBTQQI community really is.
	They feel that Matthew McConaughey and Jared Leto, who both won awards for their starring role and supporting role in the Dallas Buyers Club, which I thought was a very good movie, except at the end there when they...
	They kind of buckled to the pharmaceutical industry and undid the whole movie by saying, oh, well, you know, really that drug, AZT, once we gave people less of it, more people lived.
	And the whole movie is about that cancer drug killing AIDS patients, HIV patients.
	They're all saying, in your acceptance speech, you shouldn't have talked so much about Brazilian waxing.
	You should have talked about HIV, AIDS, and people dying, man!
	I'm like, did you watch the movie?
	The whole movie was a statement about this.
	And then these guys win, and everyone's pissed off because they're talking about how much weight they had to lose or how hard it was to actually portray these characters.
	It's sad.
	No, it is.
	It's sad.
	I missed that part.
	It's one of the B's in the BB's.
	I take it back.
	I saw McConaughey go up there.
	The guy's a robot.
	He has zero charm.
	He sounds like he does not seem like a person you could go have a drink with.
	Very robotic, stiff.
	Everyone's drunk at this thing.
	Well, that could be, but he wasn't drunk enough.
	Anyway.
	I got more about the gay community in general.
	I got more to bitch about today.
	Uh-oh.
	No, it's very good.
	Do you want to first start with the obvious?
	I have a clip.
	This relates to the newsletter and, of course, the red book, since you said it's full.
	Do you have a clip about the DEA stuff?
	Because I have a clippage.
	No, I do not.
	They claim that there were as many as 50...
	This, by the way, is a very funny report from CNN with Brolf.
	And I say funny because even though we have completely...
	This goes back to July of 2011, I think?
	Or 12.
	12.
	11, maybe.
	I don't know.
	That we were talking about.
	Well, you know, actually, it may be 11 when we first picked up.
	I think it may be 11.
	But whatever the case is, years ago, we had, in fact, in the last newsletter, I think I put a link into the document that we talked about.
	Yes, the actual document.
	So, on CNN, of course, this is now blowing up, and I believe it's all part of the...
	Hillary 2016, now it's tit for tat.
	We're going to make you Republicans look bad.
	We'll make you Democrats look bad.
	We're going to make you look bad.
	We're going to make you look bad.
	Oh, yeah?
	Well, look what I got.
	I got these documents from the DEA. I'm going to make you look bad.
	And, of course, CNN can't really make the president or the DEA or Holder or anybody really look bad, so they're going to discredit it a bit.
	They claim that there were as many as 50 meetings between the DEA and operatives from Mexican drug cartels.
	Now, before I continue with this...
	By the way, I love it.
	Whenever there's something that has to do with drug cartels from Mexico, bring in the Hispanic reporter, please.
	This is so obvious what they're doing over at CNN. I need to tell you exactly how they got their information.
	Essentially, they took a look at a case out of federal court in Chicago.
	This is a deposition that they mainly based the report on.
	That wasn't a deposition.
	No, I know.
	I know.
	He's lying.
	He's lying.
	No, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
	I don't think he's lying.
	Meanwhile, they're showing the documents, and the court documents are scrolling by kind of really small on the screen.
	So they're discrediting the actual evidence from this court case, which we've put in the show notes and we've discussed.
	An attorney representing a Mexican drug lord in which he claims that he was...
	He wasn't a drug lord.
	Yeah.
	They're getting everything wrong.
	He wasn't a drug lord.
	He was an enforcer.
	We're never going to get through this clip.
	He was mediating between the leadership of the Sinaloa drug cartel and the DEA. Now, it is really up for interpretation whether we want to believe what an attorney for a drug cartel says.
	But let me read to you, Wolf, real quick, what he told in deposition.
	Again, this is under oath.
	He said, Mr.
	Loya Castro, this is the attorney that I'm telling you about, The attorney wasn't under oath.
	I'm counting on you to debunk, so keep talking.
	Unbelievable.
	...abrival drug trafficking organizations, the United States government agreed to dismiss the prosecution of the pending case against Mr.
	Loya Castro, not to interfere with his drug trafficking activities and those of the Sinaloa cartel, not to...
	You have to say, and those of the Sinaloa cartel, you have to talk like this when you're doing, hey, bro, these are the Sinaloa cartel.
	...prosecute him and listen to this.
	Prosecute him.
	You have to prosecute him.
	It's so...
	Why can't they have Barbara Starr?
	Why do they have to have this guy on?
	It's so obvious.
	Because he's the only one who understands.
	I don't know.
	It's racist.
	Yes, thank you.
	The leadership of the Sinaloa cartel, and not to apprehend them, the agent stated that this arrangement had been approved by high-ranking officials and federal prosecutors.
	And Wolf, let me tell you that we have reached out to the DEA. They have no comment on this case, and there's no Mexican official that has validated this.
	Filed in 2010.
	Information so far.
	Yeah, but we're on the ball now, you see.
	2010 it was filed.
	Now we're looking at 2014 and these guys at CNN are dragging it into the...
	Let's hear Brolf wrap it up.
	Do we know anything else about these alleged arrangements, including if there was actually any payoffs?
	The report doesn't specifically talk about payoffs, but it yet does.
	It's very specific.
	Like, you let us run drugs throughout all of America, give us all of Chicago.
	I think they're both thinking exchange of money.
	I don't get why that would even come up in the conversation when it's a deal, but okay.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It talks very specifically about the fact that in exchange for information, the operative was going to essentially avoid any type of prosecution, benefiting the Mexican drug cartel known as the Sinaloa cartel, and providing information to U.S. agents about rival drug and providing information to U.S. agents about rival drug cartels, namely Los Etas cartels and the Gulf cartel.
	Dr. Fauci, thanks so much, as always, for joining us.
	The guy's a doctor?
	Good to be here, Brolf.
	No, I was just playing the Brolf.
	I'm playing the Brolf clip.
	Sorry.
	You stepped on it.
	Good work.
	Hey, play it again.
	Come on, come on.
	Good work.
	Good work there, John.
	Dr.
	Fauci, thanks so much, as always, for joining us.
	Good to be here, Brolf.
	It's always funny.
	It's always good for a cheap laugh.
	You may not think those girls making out with the celebrities is funny, but this is always funny.
	This is high-level comedy.
	Well, exactly.
	Do you want to just briefly explain, since we had this in the Red Book, we had this in the book more than two years ago, we've discussed it ad nauseum on the show, and I believe, although I wouldn't know exactly where to look, I believe in the show we actually said, this will never come to light.
	That was actually a mistake.
	I don't think we said that.
	I think we said this will go nowhere.
	I'm pretty sure we said something like that.
	I don't remember saying that.
	Whatever the case is, it didn't go anywhere, essentially.
	Now it's cropped up again, for whatever reason.
	It makes no sense to me, almost four years after the fact.
	I think it's a tit-for-tat.
	I see this continue.
	First we slam Biden, then we slam Christie.
	Then we've got to go back, we've got to slam...
	Here's what's interesting about it, to me, listening to that report.
	Nowhere do they mention, which is in the document, as I recall, having looked at it again, is it mentioned on these news reports that Fast and Furious was a gun running operation, which explains everything.
	No.
	No, of course not.
	The lost guns.
	It explains the lost guns because they were never lost.
	They were literally given to the Sinaloa cartel for some money or whatever.
	To get rid of the other gang members, which was part of the deal.
	To get rid of the other gangs and do that divide and conquer.
	J.C. Buskill Jr.
	mentioned there's a video game that has this, or some book or some novel that uses this model of taking...
	Just providing one group amongst a lot of groups all the power until they wipe out the other groups, and then you wipe them out, which is the way it always ends.
	And I'm sure the Sinaloa guys think, well, we can avoid that.
	Well, do you think that that was the plan all along, was to do that and then to wind up wiping out the Sinaloa cartel?
	Do you think that was the actual plan?
	Yeah, now that he mentions the storyline, I'm thinking that's probably one of these...
	What do you think of bureaucrats who are sitting around reading all the time, like, oh, here's my deal, let's do You know what?
	When we talked about this, a lot of people emailed about this storyline, and I'm pretty sure the chat room will recall what it was.
	It was from a TV series.
	It was a TV series that had this exact storyline.
	Yeah, well, this is the storyline I think that they're trying to implement.
	I don't think it's doable.
	But the fact that CNN wouldn't mention the Fast and Furious thing, which does explain...
	The whole thing, I mean, if you look at it as a gunrunning operation, yeah, okay, now it makes sense that, you know, the guns are all over the place down there that we sent them, and we're behind it, and the agent got killed with a gun, and so they had to kind of change their story.
	They didn't want to admit they were doing this because the American public doesn't understand something as complicated as this.
	And I'm sure it sounds great in the meetings.
	I got a great idea.
	I saw this TV show.
	I got a great idea.
	This will work.
	It worked on TV. Yeah, exactly.
	But if someone just sat down with the American public and did a fireside chat, I don't know, how about let Michelle do it.
	At this point, no one's going to believe Barack.
	Let Michelle do it.
	Sit down and say, look, look, listen, here was the plan.
	All we wanted to do was we wanted to get rid of all the gangs, so we picked the guys we thought were the winners, the Sinaloa cartel.
	We gave them guns.
	Yeah, we let them traffic some drugs, but we needed the money for the banks anyway.
	Look, the whole economy is running on this drug money for Mexico, and the money comes back into our country, so that's all good for Barclays and USBC, US whatever.
	And then the idea was, once those guys were the only ones left, then we'd drone them.
	And then we'd be rid of the problem.
	Yeah.
	And I think most Americans would go, oh, well, okay.
	America!
	Hell yeah!
	No?
	No, I don't think so.
	The public has been...
	You're ignoring the fact that after watching this three hours of television...
	The public is nullified.
	The public has lost it.
	So there was something else that all of a sudden started happening.
	And there is definitely the powers are at play here.
	And I think I have a theory on where it's going.
	There is no doubt this is moving towards the 2000, well certainly the 2014, but we need three years at least.
	Well, it's going to be two now.
	For the 2016 election.
	It's time to start.
	The TV networks need the ad revenue.
	They need the controversy.
	They need something to start.
	So now stuff is coming out.
	And of course, one of the main things that may have gotten snowed under a little bit was this report about the military knowing within 15 minutes that the attack on the The consulate in Benghazi was, in fact, a terror attack.
	A Senate panel report says the September 11, 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, Libya was preventable.
	The attack killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, and three other U.S. government personnel.
	But the State Department says there was no specific evidence to show that militants were preparing an attack.
	Now, here's the other report.
	It goes to the heart of the Benghazi matter.
	Now, newly declassified documents show that President Obama's closest military advisers knew within 15 minutes it was terrorism on September 11th.
	Now, let me just remind you of the response from the President in the Rose Garden of the United Nations and from clippity-clop Hillary Clinton.
	We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others.
	Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior along with the protest that took place at our embassy in Cairo yesterday as a response to inflammatory material posted on the internet.
	That is what we saw play out in the last two weeks as a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world.
	Now I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video.
	It's so fun to listen to things in retrospect.
	Nobody plays this stuff.
	No, of course not.
	Now, here's something.
	I think I have a theory, and it ties into this report.
	I'm sure you read this, and I didn't really look.
	It's not so much about the truth in it, but it's that Hitler's Mein Kampf, the book, is apparently exploding in e-book sales.
	And I'm not quite sure.
	How do you get this data?
	Just Google it.
	Amazon, for some reason, Hitler's Mein Kampf is, that is the, here, ABC News, Hitler's Mein Kampf surges in e-book sales.
	Hitler, out of Hitler's anti-Semitic political testament, Mein Kampf.
	I'm not so sure it was only about, I don't think there was, no, anyway.
	Whatever.
	This is written by someone who I don't think read it.
	It's surging up electronic book bestseller lists.
	Now, I don't think people are looking for a new Hitler, necessarily.
	But I do think we need to be on the lookout for something else, and we can just look at history.
	And I think that this report kind of ties into that.
	This was a little collection of what has happened to the military leadership in these United States.
	And this is only maybe a third of what's happened since Benghazi.
	A stunning chain of events.
	Today, Michael Carey, the two-star general responsible for the nation's three intercontinental ballistic missile wings, fired from his command.
	The reason?
	Personal misbehavior on a military business trip.
	This comes just 48 hours after President Obama himself relieved the number two in command over the nation's nuclear arsenal over his suspected use of counterfeit poker chips.
	These follow an alarming string of general officers losing their jobs this year for inappropriate behavior, misconduct, or lack of leadership.
	Two Marine Corps generals fired less than two weeks ago for not providing proper force protection in Afghanistan.
	An Army brigadier general relieved of duty for adultery.
	An Army two-star general fired for groping a civilian.
	And in March, a Navy one-star removed for racially insensitive comments and abusive leadership.
	Now, of course, we know that General Hamm was removed.
	We have admirals being removed since Benghazi.
	I think this administration is very worried, not about a new Hitler, who would be a nationalistic figure, because that's what Hitler was.
	And, by the way, it's pretty well documented who funded Hitler, and it was, without doubt, America had a hand in that.
	Certainly the Bush family.
	Um...
	They're afraid of a new Napoleon.
	And Napoleon, of course, was a lieutenant who rose through the ranks, and I think they're trying to get rid of anybody who could stand up.
	The military is no friends with this administration or with this Congress, cutting their promised benefits, etc.
	And the military, they got to, I don't know, tanks, weapons, guns, airplanes, ships.
	And I'm thinking that there still is a chance, and you may think I'm nuts, That former General David Petraeus may move to the forefront as the Napoleon who needs to come and save the nation.
	Now that Christie's out of the way, that's not going to happen anymore.
	I think there's a possibility that that is why this purge is taking place.
	Anyone who has any type of power whatsoever, get them out of the way quick, if they're not loyal.
	I don't think so, personally.
	I just don't see this kind of action taking place.
	Petraeus, I'm sure, would like to think that himself.
	Why people are reading Mein Kampf is probably because it's free, I'm guessing, on the e-books.
	It's a good read.
	I mean, I've read it.
	Yeah, I've read it too.
	Here's what we should do.
	I guess, is it a public domain by now?
	Well, I don't think Hitler's going to sue you for copyright infringement.
	Well, then we can release...
	Technically, it could be public domain.
	I think it might be.
	So we could re-release it.
	And then on the cover, it would say, It's a good read, John C. Dvorak.
	It's a good read.
	Yeah, that's what I don't need.
	I think we should re-edit it.
	That would be funny.
	That would be very funny.
	It's a good read.
	Mind comedy comp.
	It's probably been done.
	Mel Brooks, of course, did History of the World, which was great.
	Needed a lot of that stuff in there.
	Anyway, I had, I think, a stroke of genius, which is going to help us retire.
	I know you're always on the lookout for that.
	And it is also going to help everyone who is a part of the No Agenda production family start a business that will be very successful.
	Does this sound like a win-win to you?
	Well, it doesn't sound like anything but hot air, but go on.
	Okay.
	What were the big Armageddon crises of our time?
	I won't go back too far.
	2000.
	2000.
	What was 2000?
	I don't know.
	Of course you know.
	The millennial bug.
	Y2K. Oh, right.
	Y2K. And what was that, basically?
	Bullshit.
	Soaking the public.
	There were billions of dollars made.
	Maybe hundreds of billions.
	Right.
	Exactly.
	Well, you might as well mention the dot-com collapse in 2001.
	No, no, no.
	This is simple because it was just a date.
	All it was was just dates, okay?
	Okay, I'm playing along as best I can.
	Alright, what was the next time this scam happened?
	Uh, 9-11.
	No, no, a date that people were afraid of.
	That's a date?
	9-11?
	No, no, no, no, John.
	You don't understand.
	What?
	2012!
	The Mayan calendar, end of the world!
	Oh, right, right.
	2012, the end of the world.
	I remember that.
	In fact, I talked about this on the show because I went to a meeting with a bunch of these people that were expecting the worst.
	Billions of dollars made on that.
	Billions.
	We even made money on it with Mayan challenge coins.
	Exactly.
	Okay, so...
	It's clear that...
	Great coin, by the way.
	It's a beautiful coin.
	It's clear that the human psyche likes this.
	And we like having some doomsday date...
	That everyone lives forward to, and of course, you can make a ton of money, and you need about a decade.
	So that was 12 years between the Y2K, and then we had the 2012, and it was nothing but a date based upon some smorgasbord bullcrap Mayan dumb stuff.
	And everyone bought into it, and it was tons of money.
	So, my idea, 2030.
	And 2030 is going to be the next date, and it's going to be Armageddon.
	2030 is the new 2012.
	In fact, I've registered the2030club.com, so you can go there right now, the2030club.com.
	And if you Google around for 2030 news stories, it's already happening.
	Obesity apocalypse by 2030, says ABC News.
	I got 2030club.com.
	It says, welcome to WebEye, affordable, reliable web.
	The, the, the.
	Oh, the.
	Why don't you just get 2030 Club?
	Because it was taken by WebEye, whoever you just landed on.
	Hello, don't you think I'm stupid?
	Yeah, no.
	The 2030 club.
	The science is in.
	2030, we'll see total Armageddon, climate systems, financial systems, food shortage.
	Yeah, you got that.
	Okay, hold on.
	Now we got to get our consulting meeting here.
	Okay.
	First of all, this all has to be centered on the page.
	This is just a placeholder.
	It has to be centered and it has to be a black background with red fonts.
	Okay.
	Sorry, you are so right, yes.
	With red letters, yes, I'm sorry.
	And maximum font size.
	Okay, I'm taking notes.
	Hold on.
	All centered down the gut.
	And it has to go all the way to China.
	It's got to be a long, no links.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Black background, red letters.
	And green and yellow letters sometimes.
	Flashing, flashing, blinking stuff.
	No blinking.
	No blinking.
	And so it goes all the way down, and then all these links are not links.
	They're just further down on the same page.
	So the page is really long.
	Just one very long page.
	Okay.
	So here's the idea.
	By the way, if you want, you can have a few animated GIFs.
	Yes, and so we need to get your cycle book out, and just 2030 is the date.
	Whatever is in there, change it.
	2030 is the date.
	We need t-shirts.
	Everybody can get in on this.
	And, of course, you can become a member of the 2030 Club, starting as of the beginning of January, and you'll be on this list.
	See, Adam and John are there, so if you donate a total of 20-30, then you're in the 20-30 Club.
	This is your website, but if you donate $7.30 a month, by 2030 you'll be a member of the 20-30 Club.
	So there's a number of ways to get there.
	Just in time.
	Yeah, there's a number of ways to get there.
	My thinking is, this is our retirement plan.
	In 16 years, we'll want to retire.
	We'll be tired of this.
	2030, I think, is a good number for you and I to end the show in 2030.
	And we just need to push the Armageddon.
	I'm not quite sure which one it's going to be.
	I have Jobs Apocalypse.
	2030, food apocalypse.
	Food crisis, 2030, climate crisis, 2030.
	Water.
	Ooh, that might be a good one.
	Water.
	Let me write that down.
	Water.
	So, I think we just need to own 2030.
	Whenever someone Googles 2030 Armageddon, 2030 apocalypse, we need to own that.
	They need to show up on our black background with red letters.
	Right, but we can have alternate sites.
	There's no reason to just have one site.
	No, of course not.
	Yeah, we'll have ten.
	And all producers can get in on this, because they can start 20, 30 businesses, which will make money.
	And 20, 30 sites.
	Yes, and then you send us a little piece of the action, and we promise, our promise, is we will propagate 2030 as the Armageddon year, and we'll make 2030 the new 2012, and everybody else can start a business on it.
	Now, you said that there's an alternative ending to the Mayan calendar that was 2030?
	No, I didn't say that.
	Oh, well, you just did now.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Yes.
	No, I think that's too flimsy.
	I like the water.
	No, I think it's just an element.
	Yeah, but I like water because no one has really claimed that yet, and it's so unprovable.
	The water is going to somehow vanish from the face of the earth.
	It'll only be bottled water owned by Coca-Cola.
	No, well, actually, there's already some evidence that people are trying to buy up these huge water reservoirs.
	The bushes have an aquifer in Paraguay.
	So this is perfect.
	2030, the2030club.com, and I'm going to change the background, I'll get the red letters going, and it'll just be news about, and I will maintain it, I'm happy to do that, with stories about how 2030 is just going to, everything's going to end.
	I like the way you've got this.
	It goes, climate systems, financial systems, food charges, obesity crisis.
	Fact.
	Hey, this is only one half of the consulting group.
	Imagine when we do a couple meetings on this.
	Yeah.
	You like?
	No, I do.
	And you've managed to come up with these crazy schemes on an occasional basis, and they've always been successful.
	And so here are the news.
	This is what I'm going to post today.
	So here it is.
	Study predicts obesity apocalypse by 2030.
	ABC News.
	Here's how they start off their article.
	Obese apocalypse.
	Rising sea levels.
	Flying cars.
	Speculation about what the world will look like a quarter century from now are in no short supply.
	But if new research released this week is correct, we can at least be sure of one thing.
	The forecast calls for fatness.
	Where are you getting that?
	ABC News.
	Wow.
	Released in the journal Obesity, the study suggests that by the year 2030...
	Oh, I've got to do a little...
	Nearly every American will be overweight or obese.
	So that's one.
	Then we have the apocalypse delayed until...
	This is CNET. Every American will be obese?
	Yeah.
	We'll be retired, but we'll be fat.
	The UK government's chief scientist declares that 2030 will be the year in which food and energy shortages, coupled with population explosion and climate change, will create disaster.
	Do you need any more headline than that?
	No, that's a good one.
	These guys are writing it for us.
	Or, a stray meteorite might smack into the world.
	Ah, I like that too.
	It's beautiful.
	Beautiful.
	We're all doomed.
	So I think we'll maintain the 2030 Club, the 2030club.com, and you can certainly register domain names and point to this.
	And we'll work on some more of the...
	And I'm just going to put stories there.
	It needs to be the 2030 hub of information.
	And we'll continue to propagate that so everyone else can build a business around it.
	Oh, there's plenty.
	There's seminars.
	Webinars, baby!
	What are you talking about?
	There were webinars and seminars and these crazy crackpots that get up there and they tell you how it's all going to end.
	I went to this one over, it was in Masonic, over by the area in San Francisco.
	Where Green's Restaurant is.
	Whatever it is.
	It's a whole area.
	And they had the big meeting there of all these 2012 people.
	We were actually at dinner and we walked by and I went in.
	And meanwhile, Mimi and Jay, don't go in.
	So I went in and the place was crawling with babes.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, these 2012 babes.
	What a benefit.
	What the heck?
	Nerts.
	PopSci, John.
	Oh my gosh, this stuff is just writing itself.
	PopSci.
	Surely you've heard of PopSci.
	PopSci.
	PopSci.
	MIT predicts world economy will collapse by 2030.
	Oh, come on, this is beautiful.
	You've got to get your book out!
	I'm going to put this link in the show notes.
	This is fabulous.
	Well, you know what, according to the cycle, what actually happens in 2030...
	It's probably really good stuff.
	We're done.
	It's all great.
	Actually, nothing.
	I didn't hear you say that.
	Okay.
	Well, talking about that, since you're talking about the obesity thing.
	So I'm watching this.
	I'm watching some television.
	And let's see what the clip is here.
	It's...
	How about this clip?
	Bitcoin crashes 2030.
	Yeah, that's definitely going to happen.
	Here, controversy over spinning.
	What?
	Hold on a second.
	It's funny, we were just talking about it.
	Quite disappointed in this.
	The jury is out.
	Thank you.
	Love the docket.
	Love what was on the docket.
	A lot on the docket.
	We missed a good time.
	All right, we're going to move on now to one of the hottest workout trends.
	Does it make you bigger instead of smaller?
	Celebrity trainer Tracy Anderson landed in the hot seat after saying that spinning bulks up the thought.
	Juju Chang is a spinning fan.
	She's here with the skinny...
	On the exercise.
	Nice one, Robin.
	Now, as you know, I am an expert in the activity of spinning.
	I had no idea that spinning is nothing more than a bunch of people getting in a room on stationary bicycles and pumping away like crazy.
	That is not true.
	That's what it looks like to me.
	Right?
	You can get your own stationary bicycle in your house and do the same thing.
	Yes, you can.
	Cheaper.
	Would you like me to tell you what it really is?
	No.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	No.
	You're just going to mock me.
	I've got my bigoted opinion on this.
	You're essentially in there with a bunch of women.
	They're all pumping away, pumping away, pumping away, and you're getting big thighs.
	No.
	Okay.
	No.
	There's multiple parts to this.
	One is for someone who is intimidated by going to a gym where there's a bunch of guys walking around with huge abs and there's like a sock in their crotch.
	What exercise causes that?
	They put a sock in the crotch.
	They're wearing something down there.
	By the way, before you continue, let me say this.
	I was under the impression that I didn't even know what spinning was.
	I didn't know it was just pumping away.
	I thought it was some sort of like maybe some yoga-like thing where you're in a room spinning, like with your arms out, spinning around.
	I'm thinking, well, this has got to be good.
	I guess it's why Adam could get into this.
	He's always had the potential.
	No, that's not what it is.
	So it is for, and it's mainly for women, because it's women mainly who are there, but for guys it's fabulous, because 80% of the audience in the spin class are women who already look good.
	And then you have the ones who need help and are there to lose weight and they're really nice and you can fraternize with them easily.
	Fraternize?
	Do you get to move the bicycle around?
	No, you're all in a row next to each other and these are very specific type of spin of exercise bicycles and you can change the friction on the flywheel.
	I understand that, but how can you fraternize with anybody except the one next to you?
	No, you fraternize as you're going in, as you're coming out, and with the person next to you.
	And it is really a performance by the trainer who puts together a playlist of songs that have specific rhythms.
	It's not unlike going to a club.
	In fact, you all get into the same vibe and there's exercises you do where you're moving up and down standing or using your core crunches, using exercising your obliques.
	I prefer the listeners to the No Agenda show who bring their own iPod and listen to the No Agenda show while they're at the gym.
	You are hurting the show with this.
	No, that is bullshit.
	I'm going to defend this.
	If you're going to the gym and running or working out, yeah, you should listen to the No Agenda show.
	This is a 45-minute, that's all it is, 45-minute, high-intensity workout.
	And I have not seen a bunch of women walking around with huge thighs.
	In fact, I see nothing but really cute butts, really toned arms, really nice bodies.
	Most of them are tiny.
	They're small.
	For some reason, spin class attracts tiny women.
	And I myself have lost my entire, almost my entire gut.
	I have now a two-pack instead of one.
	I'm working towards six.
	And my chest has expanded by an inch and a half.
	And I feel really, really good.
	My circulation is great.
	I went to the dentist.
	He said, well, we won't have to rip all your teeth out like we thought because your circulation is really good in your gums.
	Sex is good.
	Even at home.
	Come on, that was funny.
	That's good.
	And so, yeah.
	Alright, okay, I'm done.
	So this is just a...
	What you're saying, really, is that this is actually just a publicity stunt...
	Yes, for some spinning thing.
	...for the spinning operation, which is a commercial operation, and they got some free publicity...
	Definitely.
	...and good for them.
	Definitely.
	Exactly.
	And this was on the Good Morning America or something, which is perfect for this audience, for that audience.
	Yeah, yeah.
	There were two things...
	Because I got a couple clips from the morning shows...
	So you thought that was dumb?
	How about this?
	This is Charlie Rose, ladies and gentlemen.
	Charlie Rose, the journalist extraordinaire.
	And listen to this great piece we've got about the Smithsonian.
	Lady Michelle Obama is marking another fashion milestone.
	The Smithsonian Institution decided two dresses are better than one.
	Jan Crawford is in Washington at the National Museum of American History.
	Jan, good morning.
	Well, good morning, Charlie, Nora, and Gail.
	Okay, so the Smithsonian usually only exhibits the first gown that the first lady would wear and her first inaugural ball.
	Oh, shocker!
	Of course, this white gown that we all remember, Mrs.
	Obama wore four years ago.
	That's been on display here for the past few years.
	But starting today...
	The public will be able to see Mrs.
	Obama's second inaugural ball gown.
	And now Mrs.
	Obama's shoes also will be on display, but they're a little different than the shoes she wore four years ago.
	They're by the same designer, Jimmy Choo, and they're red, obviously, to match the red dress.
	But the big difference is the heel.
	They're about half as tall as the one she wore in the first inaugural ball gown.
	And we can't win an award for a podcast, yet the Jimmy Choo shoes from the second inaugural ball are in the museum.
	Yeah.
	And by the way, Jimmy Choo is not a designer, you idiot.
	Jimmy Choo is the brand, the woman who started that is a woman.
	Her name is not Jimmy.
	ABC went one step further with your tax dollars.
	It's a very revealing People magazine interview with First Lady Michelle Obama just before her 50th birthday.
	So honest on a range of topics.
	She already did the up talk at birthdays.
	It's starting.
	Including her take on plastic surgery and Botox.
	We've got an exclusive first look right here.
	The big day is fast approaching.
	One thing we know for sure is that the president has already given an early gift while on the annual family vacation in Hawaii, taking the girls home to Washington, leaving the first lady behind for an extra few days of vacay.
	Vacay!
	With some of her close friends, including Oprah.
	She looks so fantastic.
	And just to be clear, Mrs.
	Obama says she doesn't imagine having plastic surgery, but she's learned, never say never.
	Vacay!
	I thought she was going to say, just to be clear, Mrs.
	Obama and Mr.
	Obama are paying for the extra plane ride and extra $80,000 a day out of their own pocket.
	That's what I thought she was going to say.
	But instead, she went back to the lead about the plastic surgery.
	Well, if you go to your email, I want you to open up that little thing I sent you on Obama.
	Yeah, I opened it up.
	And this is actually, maybe actually happening.
	This is actually, actually, actually, actually.
	This notice has been showing up in the National Enquirer, which we know is actually a pretty good operation.
	They pay for their stories about Obama and Michelle having, you know, at the point of almost getting divorced and having a big fight.
	Because Obama's fooling around somehow.
	And this reminds me, I have it in the PR links for today, Producer Tim registered Obamadivorce.com for us.
	Nice.
	And if you click on, if you go to Obamadivorce.com, it currently forwards to the No Agenda Show website.
	Excellent.
	What timing.
	Yes.
	So go to your Google browser and click on the images to get to the image browser or just type in Obama Titcomb.
	T-I-T-C-O-M-B. Hold on a second.
	We need to keep up with this.
	C-O-M-B-E? No, E. Just E. No, no E. It's T-I-T-C-O-M-B. B. All right.
	Obama titcomb.
	Images.
	This is his best buddy from high school in Hawaii, supposedly.
	Yeah, isn't he a convicted felon, this guy?
	No, he tried to pick up a whore, supposedly.
	Yeah, he got convicted of that.
	Yeah, in 2011.
	Yeah.
	But we did, by the way, there's never a mention of whether the whore was male or female.
	Can you say prostitute?
	I mean, it's not really necessary to be so denigrating towards the oldest profession.
	I am sorry.
	He tried to pick up a prostitute, which was a sting operation, and it's never really clear whether it was a male or a female.
	Right.
	And if you look at these photos with Obama hanging out with this guy.
	Yeah.
	That's who he's fooling around with.
	Is that what you're saying?
	I didn't say anything of the sort.
	Mm-hmm.
	But I think the picture, if you had the same layout I do, you would have a picture with Obama with his arm over the guy in a peculiar way.
	Yeah, I see that.
	The top there.
	And then there's another guy that shows up in their golfing, with their golfing.
	This guy's name is Martin Nesbitt.
	Yeah.
	And he's a black guy who shows up on a lot of these shots.
	Looks a bit like Kanye.
	A little bit.
	A little Kanye thing.
	But...
	There's something up.
	Well, and where's Reggie Love in all this?
	Because Reggie...
	Well, that's what I'm wondering.
	I knew you'd bring that up because I can't find any connection unless Reggie's the middleman or something like that.
	I have no idea.
	But supposedly, when they went on this December vacation to Hawaii...
	You mean vacay?
	There was a blow-up.
	The vacay...
	The vacay.
	There was a huge blow-up to the point where, and I guess there were, she would, Mrs.
	Obama, who, you can find a lot of pictures of her glaring at Barack.
	Glaring.
	Yeah, well, that's, yeah.
	Uncool glaring.
	Yeah.
	Ever since that little incident with the Danish woman.
	Yeah.
	They've been arguing, and when Obama came back on the 747, Michelle refused to be on the same plane with him, supposedly, according to the Inquirer.
	And it sounds to me as though it's the Secret Service, because I'm assuming the Inquirer isn't making this up, because they have a great history of paying people off to tell them stuff.
	Yeah, and not being sued successfully.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	They have been sued.
	Yeah.
	And once in a while they get...
	But it's usually minor stuff.
	It's like saying somebody was drunk when they weren't.
	But it's never been anything like this.
	Like the John Edwards thing, for example.
	They blew the lid off that.
	Yeah, I'm putting this into the show notes as well.
	So they...
	Supposedly, they're having...
	And now, when this story comes out, this kind of reaffirms, which wasn't mentioned in the Inquirer story, but it reaffirms that comment that apparently...
	Obama's, or Mrs.
	Michelle made to Sarkozy's wife.
	Ah.
	Remember?
	Yeah, um, no.
	Well, the French guy.
	Vaguely.
	Yes.
	The French guy has his hot wife.
	Yeah, the hot singer wife.
	Carla Bruni.
	Carla Bruni.
	Who used to bounce on Jagger.
	Mick Jagger's squeeze for a while.
	She's been around.
	Whatever the case was, she, I guess, felt no obligation to keep a girl's secrets and came out in the media.
	This was like years ago, obviously, when Sarkozy was still in the office.
	And said, Mrs.
	Obama's miserable in her marriage.
	She hates every minute.
	Oh, yes.
	Yes, I do remember that.
	Yes, she told...
	Yes!
	This is about four years ago.
	Yeah, you're right.
	And it just seems to be falling into place, especially with all the glaring looks she gives and all this other stuff.
	And if you look at these pictures here on the Obama titcomb image, you'll see the three of them sitting together at a basketball game, and you see...
	Titcomb, you know, here and there.
	It just seems to me that this is a lot of stress on a relationship, this job.
	And there are certain women that are cut out for it, and certain women like Hillary, who just put up with the bull crap knowing she's got a lock on getting somewhere herself and ditching Bill.
	But Michelle's got no skin in the game.
	She's not going to be running for president or anything.
	She doesn't care.
	No.
	So I think something's up here.
	I think they may be on to something.
	Somebody in the Secret Service is sick of it, I guess.
	She may not want to fly without the President too often.
	Yeah, but it wasn't that she took her own jet at the same time.
	She stayed behind.
	Yeah, you don't want to be flying on that Cessna Caravan island hopping there in Hawaii with anyone who might have been responsible for a birth certificate or something.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, actually, I doubt she has read The Economic Hitman, Confessions of an Economic Hitman, which discusses this problem, which is the easiest way to assassinate somebody, is to put them in a little plane and then, you know, sabotage it.
	What is the etymology of titcomb as a name, do you think?
	I think it's British.
	Yeah, but even if it's British, what is a titcomb?
	I don't know, maybe in those days the women in England had very hairy breasts.
	Wow, really?
	You ask me, I mean, it's the best I can come up with.
	Consult the Book of Knowledge!
	Maybe we have it in the Book of Knowledge.
	Last Anglo-Saxon origin, dialectal variant of local national name Tidcombe from a place called Tidcombe.
	First recorded in Wilshire.
	First recorded in the Doomsday Book as Tiddycomb.
	Then Tid Frith.
	Okay, so it's from a place.
	Alright, got it.
	Oh, good.
	Alright, so that's him.
	Anyway, this is, I thought, kind of fits in with what you were talking about a little bit.
	What you steered me towards is I have to defend my workout.
	Let me tell you something, boy.
	I'm looking good.
	I'm looking good.
	I'm going to be 50 this year and I feel really good.
	Okay, well...
	I got all my hair.
	Yeah, well, that's going to be...
	The hair will be alive when you're dead.
	Let's see.
	Okay, anyway, so that's why I just wanted to get that in.
	We'll keep an eye on this.
	Just keep an eye on Michelle's glaring at Obama.
	She glares at him.
	Yeah, and keep an eye on the ObamaDivorce.com website value.
	That is going to go up with leaps and bounds, I guarantee it.
	Well, anyway, thank you for your service.
	Thank you for your courage.
	And in the morning, to you, John C. Dvorak.
	In the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	In the morning to all ships and sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	In the morning to everyone in the chat room, noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net, to everybody up there and whittling down their $9.2 million value as an American or as other country human resource.
	And in the morning to all of our artists, thank you, comic strip blogger.
	For the artwork on episode 582, always looking forward to what we can find at noagendaartgenerator.com, where after the show we pretty much immediately choose the artwork, even before we choose the title.
	So sometimes we'll be thinking of something in the show.
	We rarely choose the title first.
	I don't think we've ever done it.
	And the title never reflects on the artwork.
	So the artwork is kind of a title by itself.
	And today, in the credits, since I'm trying a new system, instead of nashownotes.com, we're trying something new, maybe temporary.
	We'll see what we do.
	It's noagendanotes.com.
	So today's episode show notes will be at 583.noagendanotes.com, which I also think is easier to remember.
	Are you going to have a redundantly at the other site, too?
	Yes, of course.
	Duh.
	Duh.
	Noagendanotes.com.
	And this is the new system that Dave Jones has helped me put together.
	Actually, he's done all the work.
	I just say, it doesn't work.
	Make it like this.
	I'm pretty good at that, apparently.
	Yeah, it's called supervising.
	Yeah, supervising, exactly.
	Of course, we don't have money to pay people like National Enquirer.
	We don't get any money from advertisers that will help you remove your cellulite.
	No, but we follow all this stuff.
	It takes time and effort.
	And we can follow the National Enquirer and then deconstruct what they have to say and then also add some analysis.
	Correct.
	And I also watched the entire testimony of the President's panel on the NSA. I have a couple of clips from that.
	Oh, good.
	Yeah, and I think a pretty big catch.
	I think I got a catch out of it.
	So that's the kind of stuff we do.
	You know, we watch and then it was the Ukraine panel with Victoria Nuland.
	So all of that stuff we're able to do because of the support of our producers.
	And we always love to credit our executive producers and associate executive producers at the top of the show.
	Because they're the ones that really bring in the money, just like Hollywood.
	And you get the credit.
	The credits are in these brand new show notes, as well as accepted anywhere.
	Show notes are valid.
	Yes, but we always have to remember a $5 subscription is just as important.
	Just as important, exactly.
	Let's thank a few of these guys.
	We have a curious balance today.
	We have one, two, three, four, five, six executive producers and one lone associate executive producer from Norway.
	That is interesting.
	Brett Mahoney came in with $500 from North Quincy, Massachusetts Nuts.
	Been a long time boner not donating to the show because of my low college income.
	There you have it.
	That was an excuse because I'm a veteran getting paid by the government to go to college and most of my money goes for food and alcohol.
	Not necessarily in that order, sir.
	Good man.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I heard from a person in North Attleboro, Massachusetts, Nuts, that donated in show 582, and I felt I needed to donate.
	I felt I needed to donate.
	Consider this donation towards both my knighthood and what?
	As the money rolls in over the next few months of my last semesters of college, I will donate to make both knighthoods complete.
	He wants a couple of knighthoods.
	Yeah, maybe he's doing it for his girlfriend or wife.
	Or something.
	Mm-hmm.
	I'll just drink less alcohol and make up for it.
	No, no.
	Eat less food.
	You have a choice.
	In the morning to all Noagenda listeners in Massachusetts.
	In the morning.
	I want to back out your breath.
	Thank you very much.
	Highly appreciated.
	You will be executive producer for episode 583.
	And so will Nathan Craddock in Los Angeles, California.
	Hey, fellas.
	It's been a year since I started...
	To listen to the No Agenda show and thought I should make a donation, commemorate my vacation, and support the best podcasts in the universe.
	The global cooling discussion has been awesome.
	And then he had some more stuff.
	Then he sent me an email with finishing the note off, which was mostly complaining about that he thinks he got truncated.
	I couldn't find this donation.
	It looks like he got truncated.
	Yeah.
	And he got truncated short because most people, like the one before, was extremely long.
	So I'm not absolutely sure what happened.
	And since he's in here, let me go get that email.
	Do you have it?
	Yeah, it's here.
	I've got to do a quick search.
	I thought it got truncated because the donation didn't go through, but I'm not sure.
	Go to here.
	Please, truncated.
	It's been a year since he goes on.
	My father's always been a skeptic about global warming.
	He worked for years for the California Department of Water Resources and later as a director for water and resource conservation for Butte County.
	He basically thought all weathermen were dummies and most climate scientists were bought and paid for by the government or big business.
	He always said we humans have short-term thinking.
	He told me how many times about tree core samples that showed California have been through 500 years of drought in the past, and lest we forget.
	But Yosemite has been carved out by glaciers.
	Talk about climate change.
	There's more stories from him about how screwed up our climate data is, but I'll save that for a future donation.
	Thank you for your courage, grit, and determination.
	I hope this helps.
	That's very nice.
	Say hi to your dad, and...
	Go figure.
	Go figure.
	Yeah, that's the way it works.
	Mikhelevich Roman in St.
	Petersburg, Russia.
	355.40.
	That is the exact amount every Russian citizen spent on the stupid Winter Olympics.
	$355.40.
	Yeah, like 50 billion euros or something.
	So far.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we got some news.
	The military police, retired ones, isn't that nice?
	From Russia with hate and bullying, it's legal here yet.
	I have a lot of F Russia stuff to talk about today.
	Jeff Morrison in Tucson, Arizona, 33333.
	Heil, boys!
	Heil!
	Swordplay!
	Karma to all for the great 2014.
	Okay, happy to hand out some karma.
	Swordplay!
	You've got karma.
	Not quite sure what she means.
	Swordplay, yeah, she means she's getting united.
	Oh, damed, yes, of course.
	I see it's blue.
	I'm sorry, I missed the obvious color coding on the spreadsheet.
	Sir Random Hillbilly is here with $333.33 from good old Elkins, West Virginia.
	And he says, no comment.
	Thank you, Sir Random Hillbilly.
	Always there in a pinch, despite your water being undrinkable.
	Now this says Lone.
	Isn't this Joan Emrich or Lone Emrich?
	I think it's...
	Would that be a capital I? Maybe it's Ian?
	Eon.
	Maybe you finally get to say Eon.
	Eon.
	I feel bad.
	I don't know.
	I don't know if that's...
	Well, Rich, send us a note so we know what's going on with your name.
	Yeah.
	33333 is in Brook Park, Ohio.
	Happy New Year, mofos.
	That probably means that is a male.
	Women never say that.
	Keep hitting people in the mouth in 2014, too.
	P.S., I think I should have been a knight since mid-last year.
	I'm also a monthly subscriber, but I assume a little more grease to stimulate the process won't hurt.
	So do we want to knight him today?
	Um...
	Well, I don't know.
	He didn't send any accounting.
	He just made the statement that he should be...
	Yeah, I don't have...
	I mean, Eric's pretty good about this, and I don't have anything for him on the list.
	I'm happy to do it, but he needs to talk to the back office, I think.
	All right, we'll put it off.
	Yeah.
	We have at least one night.
	Yeah, he's waited this long, so...
	Yeah, he waited this long.
	And this is a reminder, people, that please do not be emailing us and saying, Ah, you did a nightmare!
	You have to keep track of...
	It's that same guy again.
	It's that guy.
	You've got to keep track of your own accounting and just let us know.
	It's easy for us to check.
	You just need to help us out.
	And we're happy to do that.
	Yeah, we believe you.
	Thomas Waihe, I believe.
	The thing is Via.
	Although he's in the doorway, so there might be a screwball pronunciation.
	I would say Via.
	Via.
	Via.
	Thomas Via.
	Thomas Via.
	I don't know how to pronounce that either.
	In Norway.
	At 200 bucks, he's no comment.
	I didn't see a note from him, but if he has one, he can send it in later and we'll read it when we get the chance.
	Those are our executive producers and the one associate executive producer for show 583.
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	Ready.
	Is that a pepper mill, or what is that?
	It's the Marching Soldiers.
	Oh.
	Oh, the Jack...
	Actually, what is it I'm doing?
	The Jack Boots, that's what that is.
	It's the Jack Boots.
	Jack Boots.
	Hey, you know, um...
	This is a Crystal Geyser Alpine Springwater cheap plastic bottle.
	Okay.
	They're made of this cheap plastic, and when you squeeze it, they make a noise.
	I got a lot of feedback on the universal basic income.
	Yeah, also referred to by Nixon and others as the reverse income tax.
	Or, as an experiment in Scandinavia, MinCum.
	Minkum?
	Minkum, yes.
	There was a famous experiment in 1974.
	They took a town of, I think it's 30,000 people in Scandinavia, and for a number of years gave everyone a standard Minkum.
	And it was only three years ago that someone discovered all the data from this test, which they never turned into a report.
	And, of course, immediately conspiracy theories come about and say, well, why didn't they do that?
	Well, who was this woman who, in 19, no, in 2004, Evelyn Forget, which is funny by itself, Dr.
	Dr. Evelyn Forget conducted an analysis of the program in 2009, and here's what she found.
	Not only were new mothers and teenagers working substantially less, mothers with newborns stopped working because they wanted to stay at home long with their babies.
	Teenagers worked less.
	They weren't under as much pressure to support the families, which resulted in more teenagers graduating.
	In addition, those who continued to work were given more opportunities to choose what type of work they did.
	She found that in the period that Mincome was administered, hospital visits dropped 8.5%.
	Fewer incidences of work-related injuries.
	Fewer emergency room visits from car accidents and domestic abuse.
	A reduction in rates of psychiatric hospitalization.
	Number of mental illness-related consultations decreased.
	working hours dropped 1% for men, 3% for women.
	In all, the report says that it was very successful.
	What was your last name again?
	Forget.
	No, no.
	What was your last name?
	You forgot?
	What is it?
	Switzerland.
	You're really killing me here.
	You should have photoshopped yourself in with the three stooges on your newsletter because you'd fit right in.
	Beep boop.
	There's quite a number of people who think this is a very good idea, and I don't think it's by accident that this is being discussed right now because of the resurgence of the war on poverty.
	Was it Roosevelt?
	The anniversary.
	Yes, was it Roosevelt who did this 40 years ago?
	Lyndon Johnson.
	Was it Johnson, really?
	Yeah.
	The Austonian?
	Yeah.
	Switzerland has something similar.
	Someone told me Norway had something like this, but I couldn't find any evidence of that.
	And of course, the European Union is trying on an individual level, because they can't do it on a national level, to get some kind of min-come going.
	And this has also been analyzed for the United States.
	And the analysis that I've read...
	It says that we could give every man, woman, child in the United States a min-come, which means it would be enough for you to live on without doing anything, and it would only cost about 25% of the defense budget.
	Now, all of this is just academic, and I have no idea.
	I'm just reading stuff.
	I have to say that if you really look at all the hassle...
	Because, of course, everything would go away, John.
	Social Security, unemployment benefits.
	Lots of bureaucracies would be shuttered.
	All bureaucracies, which is why I think it'll never happen, because who would want to give up the bonanza of being a part of the welfare system in providing welfare?
	That would be...
	I mean, it would shut down a lot of waste.
	And...
	I don't know.
	I can't really...
	I would love to see some real studies on this, or why don't we just do it here and there?
	Why doesn't a state just do this and see what happens?
	Do you think I'm nuts?
	Maybe what would happen is it would change the structure of things so drastically.
	We'd have less policing.
	We'd have less juvenile delinquency.
	We'd have better educated kids because now they could afford to have their teeth cleaned and on and on.
	And it wouldn't work the system, the corporate...
	Corporate system wouldn't really function the way we like it to function, which is to have a crime-ridden, scare of the public.
	It's more fun the way it is.
	You know what?
	It would end our show, but at least we could eat.
	It would end the show.
	The show would be over.
	Of course, the main thing is how do you pay for it?
	And this is where there's a couple ways.
	One would be your wealth tax idea, which you've harped on for many years.
	But the reason, I think the elites could, there is a way for them to buy into this.
	By levying consumption tax.
	And I would just say, why don't you just make it carbon tax?
	So then you win.
	You know, you can stop the climate change bull crap.
	You want the carbon tax?
	Here you go.
	Here's the carbon tax.
	So you can tax people, but everyone gets enough money to live.
	And then the elites make out like crazy because they're stealing all the money from the carbon tax and the carbon exchange and whatever.
	But then everybody kind of, you know, maybe we'll have...
	There'll be lots of people doing podcasts, painting, making music...
	Do I sound like a crazy commie when I say this?
	Hello?
	Okay.
	Well, that was it, everybody.
	John quit the show.
	Okay, did you hang up on me?
	No, my computer did.
	Did Windows 8 finally reboot?
	I don't know.
	Maybe, but it was past the hour.
	So what happened was a message came up on the big giant, the new blue screen of death.
	I've never seen it before.
	And it's a much better font.
	And it says, your PC has a problem.
	And then it just killed it.
	Wow.
	Well, right now there's a new sound to your signal.
	Oh, that's not good.
	No, it sounds a little bit like...
	Like you got something...
	Like your disc is corrupted or something.
	It may straighten out because it was doing a recovery of a bunch of shit.
	It's still booting, so...
	All right, okay.
	So, I'll restate the question.
	No, no.
	Where you were...
	Let me...
	Oh, I see.
	Okay.
	Here it is.
	Here's a message.
	Your license to use this evaluation version of Windows has expired.
	Why can't this happen during Dvorak Horowitz Unplugged?
	Why on this show?
	Your PC will restart in one hour and continue to restart every two hours.
	Oh, we got to do the show easy then.
	Yeah, but you sound like crap.
	I don't think the sound will straighten out.
	Okay.
	Well, congratulations.
	You successfully ruined the show.
	You didn't ruin this show.
	Let me reiterate what you were saying, which was that with this min...
	I don't like that word, by the way.
	I'd rather have reverse income tax or guaranteed income or something like that.
	Universal basic wage or income seems to be the main...
	There'll be a lot more art.
	Yeah, art.
	There'll be a lot more...
	Yeah, just art in general.
	Books, music, visual art.
	The world will be a beautiful place.
	Unicorns, rainbows.
	It sounds utopian.
	I agree.
	In fact, this is the definition of utopia, I believe.
	Oh.
	Hmm.
	That's a drawback.
	Hey, you...
	Okay, well, it's your own fault, so I don't care how you sound.
	Well, why don't you just call me...
	Call me.
	This is not a Skype problem, my friend.
	This is an audio busing problem.
	I know the difference.
	Okay, well, let me take a look at what we got here for our...
	Something's screwy.
	anyway.
	Tall call technical info.
	There's no packet loss or anything.
	No, there's not.
	It's something with your audio setup.
	It's with your USB audio setup.
	I know what I'm talking about.
	Yeah, okay.
	I know what you're talking about.
	I'm a professional.
	I am a professional.
	Hold on a second.
	Why don't you call me?
	It's still probably still booting, so why don't you just call me back immediately and we'll see what happens.
	Okay, we're back.
	Yeah, no, I know.
	It's...
	The other day I was trying to call John to test his cable modem, and I keep getting rejected.
	I'm like, well, okay, douche, whatever.
	I get it, you don't have time for me.
	And then I get an email from Mimi.
	She says, hey, you know, the Skype was ringing, and so was you.
	I had no time for you.
	She was in the middle of something.
	That's exactly what she said.
	Yeah, she said, I had no time for that.
	By the way, you were right.
	The sound went away.
	Okay.
	Very good.
	Good job.
	Good work.
	All right, so universal basic income.
	Yeah, a very interesting idea.
	I got Sir Gene, the sheriff of Texas, in the back channel.
	It says, the minimum free pay would never work in a free society.
	It only works in a prison.
	Happy to explain the economics of this on Saturday.
	I was an economics major for a while.
	Oh, please.
	I was an economics major!
	An economics major, so what?
	No offense, Gene, but...
	Let's see, there's some guy in Switzerland, and Miss Mickey heard him on NPR. Shut up with your fucking phone!
	This is annoying, man!
	And there he goes, Mr.
	Tourette's.
	Sorry, it is the Tourette's.
	What is that phone?
	I thought it would be, you know, you get Time Warner Cable and it's, oh yeah, I'll take the phone from you.
	And they immediately sell your name and number to everybody in the universe.
	Time Warner Cable are a-holes.
	Okay, so this is an article from November 12, 2013.
	Switzerland's proposal to pay people for being alive.
	And the guy who is proposing this is a guy named Schmidt.
	What's his first name?
	And by the way, that's very interesting, this kind of bigoted wording, paying people to be alive.
	That's the New York Times.
	That's the New York Times headline.
	That's terrible.
	It's not the way it should be presented.
	Presented, yeah.
	Well, I don't know.
	I mean, it's...
	Taking responsibility for your own citizenry.
	How's that for a way of presenting it?
	It seems to me that it would...
	Was it reverse income tax?
	Very interesting.
	Because if you look at all of the programs, all the things that are split out and, by the way, are being skimmed, just skimmed, You know, the EBT cards, just everything is being skimmed and scammed and people are lying and there's stigma.
	And you take all, it would probably cost us less.
	No, there's just no doubt about it.
	But is that not, is that, is that not, is that not kind of the definition of a socialistic or Marxist system?
	Or is this, does that not compare?
	It's different.
	Yeah, because we're kind of already doing it.
	We're just doing it in bits and pieces and it has a lot of overhead.
	Yeah, the overhead's got to go.
	That's the problem.
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	Well, I'm going to keep my eye on it.
	I don't have free transportation while you're at it.
	No, I don't think we'd have that.
	No, I think we should.
	No, I think that should go away.
	I mean, you get your money, and then you have to pay your own transportation.
	No, let that be free, too.
	Why?
	Now you're talking crazy.
	Now you're talking commies.
	Of course not.
	Free in France.
	Commies, my case in point.
	Well, it's not really free in France, but...
	But they don't have the universal...
	Go to Venice.
	Let me get a little travel tip, my occasional travel tip.
	So you go to Venice, and there's these...
	You get around Venice on these...
	You can get a taxi, but most people get on these buses called Vaporettos.
	And they are just a giant...
	It's just like a little ferry boat.
	It holds about maybe a couple hundred...
	I don't know, a hundred people.
	I don't know how many it holds, but it's big.
	And it goes from bus stop to bus stop.
	There's these bus stops on the water.
	Mm-hmm.
	And you can buy a day pass if you're a tourist, or you can have little tickets, or you can just get on and off the thing.
	And, you know, nobody ever, I've never seen anyone check, I mean, I suppose once in a million years somebody comes on and checks for tickets, but generally speaking, I've never seen it.
	Just get on, get off, get on.
	Yes, John, I understand.
	But when you're giving people money to live, that is the whole point.
	Then you make your choices and let someone else put together the transportation company, and then people can buy a ticket.
	It's either minimum, either min-come, basic wage, or nothing.
	It benefits everybody to have free public transportation.
	No, it doesn't.
	It really doesn't.
	I've lived in countries where so-called free, it's crap.
	It's not, just because there's not a min-come country.
	I can't really say it.
	I need to move to a min-come country.
	I've really got to try this.
	It has a slightly obscene sound to it.
	I like it.
	I'm kind of, yeah, I'm kind of into it.
	Miss Mickey and I are thinking about maybe going to a European country for a month this summer, maybe Spain or something.
	Yeah, Spain's great.
	Yeah, if you don't mind the...
	The riots.
	They have high-speed internet.
	Everywhere in Spain?
	Well, where you'd be, probably.
	Unless you're going to be out there.
	Well, we were thinking we could go to one of the islands, is actually what we were thinking.
	Oh, forget it.
	Forget what?
	High-speed internet?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	It'll be fun.
	Something else.
	Live it up in Barcelona.
	Maybe.
	We need to get out.
	We need to go to...
	I think Europe is important for us to go and have boots on the ground this summer to feel what's going on.
	Don't you agree?
	Yeah, you get a different feel for things.
	I think it's a good idea.
	Barcelona is cool.
	Go there.
	All right.
	I watched a very long session...
	With the panel that made the 40, 36, 47 recommendations to the president...
	Is this the one that was the surveillance panel?
	I don't think it was called the surveillance panel, no.
	Because I've watched a long panel, too, and it had all the same...
	Did it have Richard Clark?
	Yes, Clark, Sunstein.
	Yes, that's the panel I saw.
	Morell.
	It was very long, and most of it was about Section 215.
	Right, and Sunstein is the worst.
	Well, I have, yes, I have some interesting clips that I pulled from this, and I think I found something pretty big, which was given away almost near the end of the two hours, which I was happy because, yeah, because I watched the whole thing.
	And I'd like to remind everybody that we're all talking, everyone's like, oh, is it ever since Grant Greenwell?
	And Snowden, and everyone's, oh, Section 215, metadata!
	If you go to section215.org, you will see that this is a No Agenda Show website, created May 28, 2011.
	I'd like to point out that your little No Agenda Show is all over this stuff from day one.
	So, you know, we're on the ball.
	And now, all of a sudden, for the past, what, ooh, six months, the world knows about it?
	So, Mike Morell, I think it's Morell, who is the outgoing number two in command at the CIA, I want to mention, he had the most mixed messages.
	Yes, he did.
	He came on and he said, well, this is terrible.
	These NSA guys are horrible people.
	And then he went on and said, you know, they're pretty good guys.
	And it was back and forth.
	It was like watching a tennis match with one guy playing himself.
	I found it very disturbing.
	It's almost like he had some electrodes hooked to him.
	He had to change his story.
	Morell is clearly MKUltra.
	He wrote an op-ed, and this was referred to several times throughout the session, where he said, had we had Section 215 metadata storing, then 9-11 would not have happened.
	And everyone else on the panel was like, uh, yeah.
	Yeah, even Richard Clark did buy into that one.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But what's interesting is that these so-called recommendations, which we have read for you, we've marked them up for you, we've discussed them on the show, we told you if it does anything, it makes it easier.
	This is no slap-down of the NSA. This is no penalty.
	This is making it easier.
	And this was confirmed.
	General Alexander testified to us that in 2009, the NSA... This is very funny, by the way.
	Feinstein gets really miffed here at Leahy, who is running the show.
	Did, in fact, go to the FISA court and found that it took nine days, average, to be able to collect the information that was necessary.
	Are you aware of that?
	No, ma'am.
	Well, that's according to testimony by General Alexander.
	We also know...
	My time is up.
	Is that what you're saying to me?
	She looks at him like, my time is up?
	Is that what you're saying to me?
	Really?
	Really?
	Is that what you're saying to me?
	My time is up?
	I saw this because this was disgusting.
	Let me finish.
	Of course.
	I really appreciate you.
	Oh, thank you.
	She's so insincere.
	He can be very strict.
	Oh, this is little tit for tat there.
	This was used after the fact in the Boston bombing.
	But here's the difference.
	The Boston, they used emergency powers.
	Now listen to the point she's trying to make.
	She's trying to make the point that it took, Alexander, Kaiser Alexander says it took nine days to get approval from the FISA court to get into the metadata.
	That's too long.
	And then she's saying, well, but they used emergency for something after it happened at Boston.
	And then Morell is going to say something fascinating.
	And they were able to get information quickly.
	This is used to prevent an attack.
	So those of us that see it important to prevent another attack, I don't need to tell you, terrorism is up, groups have metastasized.
	Hold on.
	John, did you know that terrorism is up?
	No, and I didn't know that they metastasized.
	It's a cancer, I tell you.
	It's become brain cancer.
	We know they'll come after us if they can.
	Oh, hold on a second.
	Write that down.
	We know they will come after us.
	The boogeyman is out to get you.
	Feinstein says so.
	There's a real litany here of fact.
	Fact!
	So the question comes, do you not find value, substantial value, in being able to prevent this attack?
	So I find substantial value in any tool that helps us prevent attacks.
	I believe that 215 carries the potential to prevent attacks and that's why I think it needs to continue.
	But one of the important issues, I think, is the question of efficacy for us did not really impact our view on the change in approach to the program.
	We do not believe that we're going to add a substantial burden to the government by making the changes we are suggesting.
	In fact, if something can't be done quicker than nine days, then they need to make some changes to make that happen.
	We also wrote into our report an emergency provision so that in an emergency situation, when the intelligence community knows they need to move quickly, they'll be able to query the data without a court order going to the court after the fact.
	All right, so this is exactly what we read in the documentation.
	So essentially, they made it easier.
	It's easier.
	Go to the court afterwards.
	Get the warrant later.
	Don't worry about it.
	Shoot the guy and then go see if you can shoot him.
	Yeah, get some permission.
	Cass Sunstein, I got a clip for him.
	The worst of this group.
	Cass Sunstein, Professor Sunstein, married to Powers, the new ambassador to the United Nations.
	Who, thank God for all the evil he is, at least is losing his hair.
	I mean, at least his looks are going.
	Because I hope the guy suffers somehow for being such an incredible shill and really, really just a no-good guy.
	I've read his white papers where he says he should infiltrate online forums and chat rooms and podcasts and basically commit co-intel pro.
	You're an evil man, Sunstein.
	But as I was listening to him, And by the way, he messes this up in this...
	He says something that...
	Who catches it?
	I can't remember who catches what he says.
	But his speech is really weird.
	It's like he's groaning the whole time.
	Did you catch this?
	No.
	Listen to it.
	Are you aware, has the NSA ever done surveillance on members of Congress or other elected Americans?
	What?
	That's Mike Lee.
	Yes, Mike Lee.
	But Sunstein's going to answer the question with his meh, meh officials.
	We are not aware of any such.
	And one of the things we learned in our review is that there's no targeting by the NSA of people because of their political views or their religious convictions or their political party.
	So in terms of concretely some details, we may not have precise questions.
	I'm not doing that by the way.
	It's like he has some kind of Tourette's.
	Some details we may not have...
	What is that, John?
	Is that him?
	It sounds like you're doing that.
	No, that's him.
	It's coming out of his throat.
	Okay, now just play a part of it and don't say anything.
	In terms of concretely, some details we may not have...
	What?
	That's him?
	Now you be quiet, because it doesn't stop.
	It keeps going.
	No.
	May not have precise questions, every one of which we have off the top of the mind answers to, but politics, religion, political views, that's not what they're interested in.
	I think whenever he's lying is when that happens.
	That is weird, because I watched him testify, and I did not, but I didn't clip it, because I'm still watching it.
	I'll eventually pull some clips of myself, probably for the next show, but...
	This is an example of...
	Did you hear this when you were seeing him, or only when you were...
	Only when I saw...
	I saw this piece of testimony.
	I rewound it, because it's on cspan.gov, com, org, net, foo.
	And then I hit the recorder, and then I played it, and I turn up the volume, because the kitchen is right next door to my little studio here, to go get something to drink, and that's when I heard it.
	And I wasn't watching the video.
	I'm like, holy crap.
	But I'm also sensitive to tics and stuff like that, because I have Tourette's, so I was like, and it must be because he's lying.
	That is very weird.
	Isn't it?
	Yeah, because I watched him, I didn't hear that, but now I'm hearing it, it's creepy.
	Now when I see him again, I'll notice it.
	Did you notice that, for one thing, this is good, because he bypassed Mike Lee's question.
	Well, Mike Lee actually comes back and nails him on what he says.
	Okay, well, I do have a...
	He pulled an interesting trick here, which is kind of funny, but go on.
	Let me...
	There's about a minute here.
	I'm rewinding a bit so we can hear some of the...
	And then listen to Lee catching him in what he said.
	May not have precise questions, every one of which we have off the top of the mind answers to, but politics, religion, political views, that's not what they're interested in.
	Now, notice he says politics, religion, political views.
	That's not what the NSA is interested in.
	Oh, really?
	I thought from the kitchen where I'm getting my drink.
	Oh, really?
	Please, somebody do something.
	Just one small thing.
	And this is that little Weasley lawyer boy on the right.
	And he, of course, is thinking like a lawyer.
	He's like, oh, hold on a second.
	Just so you know, we're only talking about this administration, not about, like, you know, the church committee and, of course, you know, the CIA when they were when they basically were really spying on everybody all the time.
	We're talking about in recent years.
	We're not talking about back in the 60s and 70s when there's a different history.
	Because he's a lawyer.
	And the question was, if you recall, did you spy on Congress?
	And of course, it was happening in the 60s and 70s.
	And oh, yes, I'm sorry.
	It stopped after that because we had the church commission.
	And yeah, we figured it all out.
	No one went to jail.
	Nothing happened.
	But we stopped all that.
	So just so you know, we know what happened then, but it's not happening now.
	Intelligence agencies doing things that got exposed.
	No, no, I mean in current years.
	Although I do want to clarify, Professor Sunstein, one thing you said about religious views.
	I assume you would agree that a commitment to jihad would not qualify as a religious view and indeed would be a political position An embrace of violence that merits Very close scrutiny to prevent that violence from being carried out.
	This is very interesting what happened here.
	And I think that this will, at some point in the future, maybe 10 years from now, this will be discussed.
	Because what Sunstein clearly said is the NSA is not out to find out about your political views, your religious views.
	And what Lee is saying is, hold on a second, crazy jihadists, which is a radical Islam, it's a religion.
	It's a religious belief.
	He's saying, well, that doesn't count.
	Oh, okay, I'm sorry.
	Only the crazy religious belief like radical Islam doesn't count.
	Every other crazy one is okay?
	This is very critical, what's happening here, and no one's pointing this out.
	If there's a reason to believe the person is threatening to the United States, that would not fall within protected religious belief.
	Oh, okay.
	So, freedom of religion, unless we think you're crazy.
	This would probably fall into political, too.
	That's why I think Occupy was targeted.
	Yes.
	But the little interesting gotcha that Sunstein pulled here was...
	Instead of directly answering the question, he said, and I just wrote it down, there is no targeting of these, of political, of Congress or anybody else, no targeting by the NSA. Oh yeah, oh yeah, no, all of that is so subtle, and that's why the other guy jumped in, just to cover their ass once again.
	Right.
	So the NSA is not, the guys who have been already busted for tax evasion and other things using NSA data, the question should have been, is anybody being targeted using NSA data?
	Yes, exactly.
	By any agency whatsoever.
	That's the question.
	Right.
	Well, so that's the big gotcha that I'm going to get to.
	This whole thing was weird because they had votes going on at the same time, and it was like a tag team wrestling match, and all of a sudden...
	Right, that's when Feinstein came in late in the game, and she didn't hear anything up there.
	She just came in there to boost the NSA and boost herself.
	By doing the old sales trick.
	Adam, don't you agree that Dianne Feinstein came at the last minute, Adam?
	Don't you agree that she came?
	Don't you agree this and don't you agree that?
	Well, and Al Franken took it one step higher.
	All of a sudden, he was in charge of the meeting.
	And he essentially says, I'm so happy to see that your recommendations are the same that I have in my transparency bill on the subcommittee that I chair.
	And then he goes into this weird...
	It was very strange where he's basically promoting, and I think it was smart, actually, because if anyone's going to, no one picks this stuff up except us, but if anyone were to pick up a soundbite, or his PR people could reuse it and say, he's basically having the NSA panel confirm that Al Franken is a smart guy.
	Something like that.
	And here's a bit of it.
	I'm going to just continue to drill down on it.
	It's funny because he asked a question and then he was going to move on, but then someone put a piece of paper down and then he says, I'm going to continue to drill down on this.
	I think he's a teleprompter reader.
	He may not actually have a brain is what I'm thinking.
	That was very weird to see someone prompt him to do something.
	This first recommendation.
	Because it's different from what the administration has been saying and is saying.
	Your part calls for the government to say how many people have had their information collected.
	My bill calls for the government to say how many people have had their information collected.
	Yet last November, representatives from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the NSA came before the Subcommittee on Privacy Technology and Law, which I chair.
	See, this guy's a little...
	I don't know, John.
	He's irritating me.
	He's saying, I'm so glad you agree with me, but no one else agrees with me.
	I don't know.
	Testify that it would be, quote, difficult, if not impossible, for the government to say how many people have had their information collected under these authorities.
	Now listen to his question.
	Mr.
	Swire.
	Did the administration communicate this concern to you?
	If so, why did you find it unpersuasive?
	He knows the answer.
	Did they communicate this to you?
	If so, why did you find it unpersuasive?
	He knows the answer already.
	What script is this?
	I don't know, but we know that these are scripted because we've already seen when somebody goes off script or doesn't read the script.
	I'm going to move forward a little bit in this thing to Franken.
	Basically, his message is protect Silicon Valley.
	Let me just move forward a little bit.
	In some detail, the administration has a small number of customers for people who are being served in a security problem.
	I think when it comes to the people or one person.
	Okay, so here we go.
	I'm out of my time, and as you can see, we're having another vote.
	So we will recess for five minutes for another vote.
	But first, this commercial.
	Before we do, I just want to...
	Mr.
	Sunstein, just reiterate this thing about the companies, their ability to disclose, because it is hurting them.
	And we had an analytics firm, Forrester, said the American cloud computing industry stands to lose up to $180 billion by 2016 as a result of increased distrust of their services, particularly abroad.
	Oh, boo-hoo! Boo-hoo!
	Screw them!
	Ha ha ha.
	They give your data to everybody.
	Screw them!
	I don't give a crap about them.
	I don't understand how anybody overseas in particular, let alone Americans, would use these services.
	Well, they're not.
	Hello?
	This is why Silicon Valley is...
	Go long on Seagate drives.
	This is not a recommendation.
	Consult your advisor.
	I have two more.
	One is the big payoff, which just blew me away, and it takes us back decades to what's really going on.
	And I think it was a mistake.
	It was not supposed to come out.
	Everyone was tired.
	But first we have Senator Sessions.
	And Sessions, this man needs to be voted out of office.
	You need to vote this guy out.
	What state is he from, John Sessions?
	One of the southern states, isn't he?
	Arkansas or Alabama?
	Yeah, Alabama.
	How'd you insult the book of knowledge?
	Yeah, you do that.
	So he is talking with Stone, who is the constitutional law professor from Chicago.
	I like Stone, by the way.
	I'm changing my stance on him.
	I think he actually is a pretty good guy.
	I didn't know you had a stance on him.
	I thought the whole panel were a bunch of yahoos and jagoffs.
	But the Stone guy, I don't know, I kind of like him.
	Now, when you hear...
	How the lack of knowledge of something as basic as cloud versus local, where data is stored, and what that really should mean constitutionally or even technically speaking...
	Sessions.
	Jeff Sessions from Alabama.
	Douche Sessions.
	When you're comparing this to the metadata, you're talking about...
	So this is stumped.
	...about millions of Americans' records swept up.
	No...
	Wait a minute.
	Swept up.
	No...
	You're in this...
	Somewhere in a computer...
	No subpoena has ever been allowed to reach that breadth that happens under the metadata program.
	So I think the analogy is simply a flawed analogy.
	And looking at every record that's there, they have to have some sort of indicia that is valid...
	What is Sessions saying?
	Who is this?
	This is Sessions.
	He's an idiot.
	He does this a couple times.
	And why is he defending them?
	He's supposed to be querying them.
	No, he's defending it.
	This is why you have to vote him out.
	This is like a series of...
	He's supposed to be questioning them, not defending them.
	No, no, no.
	Why doesn't he go sit at the table?
	He's going to defend it throughout this entire thing.
	He's fighting it, but the way he's doing it is like he's going...
	No subpoena has ever been allowed to reach that breadth that happens under the metadata program.
	So I think the analogy is simply a flawed analogy.
	And looking at every record that's there, they have to have some sort of indicia that is valid, valuable for an investigation.
	I agree.
	I agree with the distinguished gentleman from Alabama.
	Whatever he said.
	To even inquire into it.
	Yes, but you were drawing an analogy to the subpoena.
	And what I'm saying is that the subpoena traditionally has to be relatively narrowly drawn to particular information directly relevant to a particular inquiry.
	And the metadata program does, in fact, elicit vast amounts of data, far beyond anything that any subpoena in the history of the world has been allowed to gather.
	I love Stone.
	This is Stone.
	He's saying, hey, you know, this is far beyond anything in the history of the world.
	In the world of subpoenas.
	So he's kind of a good guy.
	Now listen to Sessions.
	He's going to give us the technological analysis of why Stone clearly is full of crap.
	Okay.
	Let's get this straight.
	So the metadata comes in and it's...
	The only difference is it was in the computers of the phone company, but for easier access, it's put in the computer of the governments.
	Oh!
	Oh, okay!
	Let's get this straight.
	I hate to do a southern accent there, but this guy is really...
	So, there's no...
	It was just for easier access...
	Because, you know, no one has ever heard of an API or ODBC connection.
	No, no.
	We just copied it all over to the government system for easier access.
	Clearly, what could go wrong?
	Somewhere.
	And the inquiries only go to those records just like they would have gone to the phone company.
	The only difference is, for convenience and computer...
	Access.
	Government can get it quicker because some of these issues are life and death.
	Okay, so here's your senator.
	Hello, Alabama.
	Vote this guy out.
	His reasoning is it's okay to put private, individual, citizen data on government computer systems to be analyzed because...
	It's life and death.
	We have to get to these records quicker.
	Does this guy think it's like on a floppy disk or something?
	I don't know what this guy's thinking.
	As the Supreme Court, five justices at least, that the Supreme Court have explicitly recognized a year ago, there are limits that technology now has called into play about how far this doctrine that if you disclose information to somebody else that you have no reasonable expectation of privacy in the information.
	So, in the Jones case, five justices, including Justice Alito, in a very important opinion, suggested that that basic principle, that, as you say, was around for a long time, has to be called into question when you get into a world where technology allows...
	He's going to go defend it again, Joe.
	Have they?
	Excuse me?
	Say they called into question.
	No holding has been so held.
	He's basically, no holding has been so held.
	In other words, that's not been proven, or I guess there's no Supreme Court statement?
	No, and indeed nothing we say has anything to do with the Constitution.
	I don't see any difference, really.
	No difference.
	You're accessing the same records whether you get them from the phone company or whether they're in bulk.
	Bulk at Costco.
	It's an accessible account.
	Sadly, you hear Sunstein, here comes Sunstein, and he's going to give away I think the direction you're going in is actually quite compatible with our recommendation.
	So our recommendation is not that we eliminate the 215 program, but that we have a program where the government doesn't have all this stuff.
	Which the government doesn't in the cases you worked on as a prosecutor or district attorney.
	It doesn't just have it.
	It gets access to it on a certain showing.
	That's exactly the model that we're suggesting.
	And what we suggest is that that model won't compromise any national security goal because in cases where time is of the essence, human life is on the line, you can get at it like that.
	Because in cases where it isn't on the line, you go through the standard legal process.
	So the analogy from tradition to which you rightly refer, that is actually what we're building on in our recommendation.
	My time is up.
	My time is up.
	I don't care.
	I was just here to tell you that I know anything about hard drives.
	These clips are a little longer.
	By the way, Sessions, full name, which should be voted out just for having this name.
	Just for the name alone.
	No offense to the Southern Monarchs.
	Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III. Beauregard!
	Jefferson floppy disk Beauregard.
	Actually, I made a mistake.
	There was something I wanted to mention in this hearing that cropped up once.
	And I'm going to have to go re-listen to this and get a clip of it.
	But one of the senators actually brought up, and then they were basically shouted down by everybody.
	What good is all this bullcrap when it didn't stop the Boston bomber, it didn't stop the guy in the Navy Yard guy.
	All these things have happened with all these programs in place and it couldn't stop these simple things that, you know, and the excuse was, well, you know, the Boston bombers were in.
	No, he didn't make a call.
	No, the Boston Bombers, that guy followed up with saying, look, these guys were in contact with the Russians.
	Aren't we following?
	And then they brought it, the one they really got to was, I wish I could remember who it was.
	It wasn't Mike Lee, but it was one of those guys.
	I know exactly.
	He says, you know the shooting, the hospital shooting by the Dr.
	Hassan or whatever his name was?
	Yeah, yeah.
	The guy was in constant contact with the Aulaki guy.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I was communicating with him and nobody picked up on this.
	What good is this program?
	And I couldn't clip it because...
	Nobody answered that.
	No.
	And the whole question was five minutes and there was no answer.
	And in the Boston bombing...
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Do you not hear me?
	Hello, hello, hello?
	I thought he couldn't hear me.
	Hello, John.
	Do you hear me?
	It hasn't been an hour.
	Hello, hello, hello?
	Hello?
	I don't know what's going on.
	Hold on.
	So, essentially, on the Boston bombing, Morrell said, they never called, and then the senator who was asking the question, and I think it might have been Cruz, actually, who I have...
	Oh, it was Cruz.
	And I gotta tell you, I was impressed with Cruz's performance.
	And I don't know much, I looked up Cruz in the Book of Knowledge, This is no slouch.
	I mean, if you believe what everyone says, oh, that idiot from Texas, that crazy fuck!
	Right.
	I agree with you.
	This guy, he was Solicitor General.
	I just do not believe he is presentable as a presidential candidate because he's got a weird look about him.
	Well, that's racist because, of course, he's Hispanic.
	So the weird look about him, just saying that could be deemed racist.
	Okay.
	But this is part of the thing.
	So he was born in Canada, Calgary, but then essentially grew up...
	His dad is...
	His dad, like...
	These people went through hell to, you know, working for 50 cents a week.
	You know, it's a real tear-jerking story.
	And he went through...
	He became...
	He went to Princeton, cum laude, Harvard Law School.
	In fact, he was so good on the debate team at Princeton, they named a debate team prize after him.
	This guy is no slouch.
	No, I agree.
	But he gets a real bad rap.
	And he was asking some very good questions like that.
	But, of course, he got no answers.
	And he was also just kind of sitting in.
	And then he's like, all right, time for me to go vote.
	So the final blow-up clip from Clark.
	But first, Grassley...
	And I think this is an important clip, because once again, this is Stone, the constitutional lawyer from Chicago, who essentially blows the lid off the importance of metadata.
	So what we know about metadata is, you know, you can find out what number called what number and for how long.
	Well, do you remember at the beginning of the whole hearing, the CIA guy, the second-in-command guy, the robot, he essentially said that when he was the first guy they asked anything to, or one of them, and he says, oh, metadata is everything.
	You can get everything from metadata.
	It's not just some numbers.
	Everything is connected to it.
	Well, here's Stone really speaking in plain English, which I think probably was a mistake.
	But no one watches this but us, so it doesn't matter.
	Let me read a lead-in.
	One of the changes that your report recommends concerning the telephony metadata program is that a private third party or parties hold the metadata instead of the NSA. But we've seen many recent instances where companies like Target and Nyman Marcus have been unable to...
	Guess where Grassley doesn't shop?
	He doesn't shop at Nyman Marcus because it's Nyman Marcus.
	...protect private data.
	My constituents would be very concerned about privacy issues.
	So any one of you, but hopefully not all of you, because I want to ask one more question.
	What was the group's assessment of the privacy risks associated with your recommendation that the metadata be stored in private hands?
	And did you speak to the telephone companies to explore whether they are willing or able to hold the metadata?
	So maybe you're talking about the same bit here, because it wasn't Morrell, but this is Stone, and he's going to tell us just what you can do with this.
	It's crazy when he explains it.
	We did speak with the telephone companies about that, and they obviously would rather not hold that data.
	Our judgment about the government holding the data is that the primary danger of the 215 telephony metadata program is not if it is used only in the way in which its use is authorized, but that it leaves sitting out there a huge amount of information, personal information, about Americans that could be abused in awful ways.
	And the question is how to avoid that potential abuse.
	And one of the ways we decided it makes sense to avoid that is to take it out of the hands of government.
	The concern of the Fourth Amendment, the concern of our constitutional history, is that government can do far more harm if it abuses information in its possession than private entities can.
	And therefore our judgment was that the government should not have possession of this information, because if it does, there's always the possibility of someone coming along down the road, seeing this as a great opportunity to get political dirt on individuals, on their activities, on their organizations, their associations, and that that's a danger that we want to avoid.
	On the other hand, we do believe that the data is useful, and the idea was to find a way that would enable the government to have access to the data, but minimize the risk that it could be abused in that way.
	And our judgment was that keeping it in private hands would still pose, as you say, privacy risks, but the privacy risks would be of a very different order, and they would be much less in the sense of the kind of abuse that historically we're most concerned about with the government.
	What could possibly go wrong?
	Put it in private hands.
	Nothing could go wrong.
	No abuse could ever take place there.
	That could not happen.
	All right, here's the kicker.
	This is the one that I don't think you saw because you probably bailed.
	It was right at the end, and I was so close myself.
	This is Clark, who had been very quiet.
	Richard Clark, who is...
	He has a big consultancy, and he's basically a seller of...
	He's going to make out, whatever the case.
	And he...
	Blew the lid off this.
	And all of a sudden, I'm like, what?
	Section 215 is kindergarten, ladies and gentlemen.
	Metadata, kindergarten.
	This is kindergarten.
	Section 702 and Section 215.
	And these are both sections about which there's been a lot of public debate and discussion.
	But the review group also recommends greater government disclosure about these and other surveillance authorities it possesses But the report appropriately and understandably does not itself disclose any additional programs.
	What review, if any, did the group make of undisclosed programs?
	Or could you at least comment about whether lessons learned from such review is in fact reflected in the report?
	Okay, so let's just understand what the answer is going to be in the next 30 seconds.
	The question is, did you only look at these two programs, the 7-12 or 7-10?
	Was it 7-10?
	12.
	702.
	The 700-something.
	Yeah, no.
	Section 215.
	215.
	Did you only look at these two, or were there other things that, of course, you couldn't disclose, that you also looked at other information-gathering systems?
	And Clark's answer was astounding.
	I think there's a great deal of metadata collected by the National Security Letter Program, and we do speak to that in the recommendations.
	There's also a great deal of communications-related information collected under the Executive Order 12333.
	Public attention is focused on 215, but 215 produces a small percentage of the overall data that's collected.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Executive order, one, two, triple, three.
	Executive order by Ronald Reagan.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Executive Order 12333, Section 2.3, Collection of Information.
	Agencies within the intelligence community are authorized to collect, retain, or disseminate information concerning United States persons in accordance with procedures established by the head of the agency concerned and approved by the Attorney General, consistent with authorities provided by Part 1 of this order.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Basically, there's an executive order, stemming from Ronald Reagan's time, that says you can go and collect anything you want as long as the head of the agency approves it.
	Those procedures shall permit collection, retention, and dissemination of the following types of information.
	Information that is publicly available or collected with the consent of the person concerned.
	Oh, hello Facebook, Twitter, Google.
	It's right there.
	Yeah, and in the terms of service, you've given consent.
	Yeah, you've given consent.
	And it may be interesting to note that it's possible that when you gave consent to Facebook, you may have given blanket consent.
	Oh, most definitely.
	Outside of Facebook.
	Information consent.
	So when you sign up for Facebook, you may have implicitly given, and I think a judge would say this, implicitly given away everything, all your secrets.
	According to this executive order, as long as it is publicly available or has been collected with the consent of the person concerned.
	Of course, if you're giving it, it's being collected with the consent of the person concerned.
	B. Information constituting foreign intelligence or counterintelligence, including such information concerning corporations or other commercial organizations.
	There's your spying.
	Collection within the United States of foreign intelligence, not otherwise obtainable, shall be undertaken by the FBI. And we know that the FBI walks around the offices of Facebook.
	C. Information obtained in the course of lawful foreign intelligence, counterintelligence, intelligence narcotics, or intelligence terrorism investigation.
	Information needed to protect the safety of any persons or organizations, including those who are targets, victims, or hostages.
	Information needed to protect foreign intelligence.
	This thing, this is, and this is what Clark is referring to, this executive order essentially says, anything you want as long as the head of the agency and the attorney general approve it.
	So here's the follow-up question.
	I didn't see the end of this, but you're going to tell me, after I give you the follow-up question, you're going to tell me, yes, that's exactly what they asked.
	Okay.
	And this would be Feinstein.
	She was already gone.
	She should be at the table and it should be directed to her.
	So because the 702 and, what, 215...
	Just as tip of the iceberg, the real action is in the 2333.
	That means that all this has been going on since Reagan.
	Thus, 9-11 should have been prevented.
	Why wasn't it?
	It's funny, John, but no one asked that question.
	Oh, huh.
	It's the first question that comes to mind.
	And Richard Clark, of course, he has based his entire career on this executive order.
	And there's some collection techniques, what can and cannot be done.
	And it has the same wording.
	Agencies are not authorized to use such techniques as electronic surveillance, unconsented physical search, mail surveillance, physical surveillance, or monitoring devices unless they are in accordance with procedures established by the head of the agency concerned and approved by the Attorney General.
	There you go!
	So, essentially they're saying you can't do it unless the head of the agency says yes and the attorney general says yes.
	Which means two guys.
	Two guys with the key.
	CIA. Yes, CIA and Holder.
	So you've got two guys holding the keys to the button.
	Brennan and Holder.
	And it doesn't say here, but essentially those two guys can also kill you with a drone because they're the ones that are doing it.
	Yeah.
	And it says everywhere, CIA is not allowed to search personal property of non-United States persons inside the United States or of United States persons inside the United States.
	That's when the FBI takes over, which makes sense.
	That's what the FBI is for.
	The FBI does all of that internally, and they are subservient, or they're supposed to be subservient to the CIA, which kind of explains the six-week cycle.
	Because these guys have to show the boss all the time that, yeah, we're doing good, boss.
	We're doing good.
	We got some terrorists here.
	Look at terrorists.
	Well, we got the cycle coming up on us.
	Today's the 16th.
	We're two weeks away.
	So jumping from that depressing little presentation, we have Gates and his book.
	And by the way, what happened to him?
	Well, as you recall, he fell down the stairs and fractured his neck.
	Okay.
	Well, that is the story.
	So he's there with this weird thing around him.
	It's not a normal neck brace.
	It's a huge, giant thing.
	And he's actually showing up on TV to plug his book.
	Yeah, so one of those things you put on a dog so he can't bite himself.
	One of those funnels.
	Yes, it occasionally does try to bite himself, and it's weird to see.
	So here's a little...
	I have two clips.
	He showed up on the NewsHour.
	And I want to just play this first clip, which is Paul's verbal stunt, to point out a verbal stunt that we should all be listening for.
	And again, I'm watching it on television.
	I didn't catch it then.
	This is really a problem.
	But as soon as I pulled the clip and started listening to it just...
	Just sound only.
	It's so obvious what he did here, but this is interesting.
	...abroad over the National Security Agency's surveillance practices, especially since the Edward Snowden revelations.
	Do you think that the NSA, in many of its programs and practices, has gone too far?
	The question is...
	Whether NSA developed capabilities and applied those capabilities that went beyond the guidelines or the left and right curbs, if you will, that the President and the Congress expected and were briefed on.
	I think we've probably discussed this trick before.
	It's a very good one.
	Ask me a question.
	Did you eat the cookies?
	The question is whether or not I like ice cream.
	Yeah, that's how you do it.
	That is the hallmark of a professional, ladies and gentlemen.
	Now, there's a couple of things about this whole report.
	One was the timing of the answer and the response.
	He was not on a satellite link, or this was highly edited, which I suspect it was, because he would come in way too quick.
	You know, you watch enough of this stuff, you know the timing.
	I cut a lot of the sound, you know, the dead air out of these clips.
	There was no dead air at all.
	He actually came in too quick.
	He was sitting in the studio.
	He was either seated in the studio, which means this was a fraud.
	Possible.
	Because he could have been seated right across from her because they do have guests sitting.
	They sit right there.
	He could have done that, but no.
	But it was actually so tight.
	Even if he was in the studio, it was too tight.
	It was almost like it was clipped together.
	And there's also...
	They went back and forth between him and Judy, and his blink rate...
	They would put the camera on her for 5-10 seconds.
	She would not blink.
	They would put the camera on him for 5-10 seconds.
	At least 100 blinks.
	Ah, another giveaway.
	Another telltale sign of...
	Many triple and quadruple blinks.
	Very much Nixonian.
	And so he was blinking like a madman.
	I noticed this is one good reason to see the video.
	And then he cut back to her.
	No blinks.
	Same period of time.
	Back to him.
	Blink, blink, blink, blink, blink, blink like a madman.
	So he was stooging some way or full of crap or whatever.
	And so here's the part two of the clip where...
	He goes on about...
	He slams Snowden, which I suppose he had to do, and then she asks him an interesting question, which he weasels out of, and there was mixed analysis of this, whether it was a pro-Hillary or anti-Hillary book, and after I... Listen to all the news.
	It was definitely a Hillary hit job on Biden and some other things, which we already determined.
	And that's why I think that the White House review and the congressional review are so important.
	And if the program did go beyond those guidelines, did go beyond those limits, to get it back within those limits...
	And if, in fact, there were people who knowingly went beyond what the president had approved, that they'd be held accountable.
	How much damage do you think these revelations have done?
	And do you think Snowden is a traitor?
	By the way, I'm just listening to that.
	That was an edit, John.
	So I'm thinking that this was produced and cut down.
	I could hear a very specific audio edit there.
	Alright, that confirms what I was thinking.
	Right?
	Okay, let me just roll that back just a little bit and then I'll shut up and listen to it.
	You can hear it very clearly.
	Hold on, a little further.
	That they be held accountable.
	How much damage do you think these revelations have done?
	And do you think Snowden is a traitor or a hero?
	I think that the revelations have done a lot of damage.
	It sounds like they have the potential to do a lot more.
	I think he's a traitor.
	We've spent 40 years building institutions of oversight for intelligence since the mid-1970s in the Congress, in the executive branch, and in the judiciary.
	There are multiple avenues for people who believe that the rules are being broken or that the law is being broken to pursue in order to bring those problems to authorities who can evaluate whether or not somebody is breaking the law in the intelligence community.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Tell that to William Binney and all these other guys who tried to go through channels and ended up ruining their lives.
	Yeah.
	Or, as we've pointed out, the so-called whistleblower paths that the president, only that he had signed into law, but were not enacted until nine months after Snowden, the so-called Snowden leaks.
	And it was not available.
	It was not enacted yet, these paths.
	By the way, I just wanted to, just a quick callback to the The CIA and the FBI collecting all of your information.
	Is that the end of the clip?
	Yeah, that's all there was, yeah.
	What was the other part?
	That's all there was, bro.
	Bro?
	Bro?
	No, bro.
	Well, let me just put the other part out.
	Let me just say it so I can finish that section.
	She asks him, she says, Patrick Moynihan once said that anyone who still, that worked for an administration and then writes a tell-all book during the administration is a lowlife.
	How do you respond to that?
	And he says, I was mostly critical of myself.
	And he goes on and on, and he makes some excuse, and then he says that, And he named about eight books coming out from all these other guys that have all been Obama-ites before the end of this thing.
	This is going to be very interesting to watch.
	What's annoying to me is that these people have not even read the book.
	So I now have a copy of the book, and I'm going to read it.
	One guy I ran into read the book.
	And?
	Well, he had some...
	He just thought...
	I mean, I can't summarize for him.
	I haven't read the book either, but I was listening to Face the Nation, or what's the show with Chip on it?
	Yeah, Talk to the Press.
	Whatever it's called.
	And one guy, the whole group, they're all pontificating about one thing or another.
	And one guy had read the book, some guy from Bloomberg, and he says, you know, you're kind of right, you're kind of wrong about some of this stuff.
	And what was the point of talking about it if you haven't read the damn book?
	Anyway, go on.
	Well, there's a couple things.
	First, I just wanted to, just because I had it written down, about the CIA and the FBI under executive order collecting all of your publicly available information.
	If you've ever wondered why Google continuously, and I think, I'm pretty sure Facebook does this, and Yahoo probably does it as well.
	They're always saying, why don't you give us your cell phone number so we can have double verification and text you?
	So if you ever lose your login, these people are connecting your phone record to their database.
	Yeah, and you've voluntarily given it up.
	You're voluntarily giving it up, exactly.
	So something else happened.
	Well, Your Honor, if he hadn't voluntarily given it up, we wouldn't have used it.
	Something else happened which is interesting is Daniel Ellsberg from the Pentagon Papers made a big deal and went on all the shows and New York Times article about them welcoming Edward Snowden to the board of directors of the Freedom of the Press Foundation.
	Now I want to just remind everybody what the Freedom of the Press Foundation is.
	This is co-founded by Laura Poitras, Glenn Greenwell, Daniel Ellsberg, and what's the actor?
	The...
	Barlow?
	John Cusack.
	Oh, Cusack, right.
	Yeah, Barlow's in there somewhere.
	And I want to remind you that this is funded 100% by Mother Jones.
	Alright?
	They say it on their website.
	That they only live by the good graces of...
	And it's actually not...
	That's doing business as Mother Jones.
	Hold on a second.
	What is the...
	What is the name of the organization?
	Hold on.
	Press Freedom Foundation.
	It says it right there on their website, which is just hilarious.
	Down at the bottom, the Freedom of Press Foundation is made possible by the fiscal sponsorship of the Foundation for National Progress, doing business as Mother Jones.
	Okay?
	So Mother Jones is not, you know, they get a lot of money.
	Nine million dollars a year.
	You know, this is not necessarily a neutral organization in my book.
	But that just needs to be pointed out.
	And what this is all good for, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I don't understand.
	Do you have any thoughts on this, John?
	No, none at all.
	I think we'd beat it to death already that something's up with those guys and we don't know what it is necessarily except somebody's making money at the end of the day.
	Well, they're probably going to do some kind of...
	I guess we'll be turning our icons dark pretty soon.
	Are they going to have a meeting with Snowden?
	Are they going to go all to Russia?
	It sounds like they're going to do a boondoggle and I'll go to Russia and meet with him.
	Don't you think?
	Yeah, something like that.
	Hey!
	Hey, Mother Jones, give us some money.
	We've got to go to Russia.
	We've got to have a party.
	I mean, a meeting.
	Yeah.
	Mother Jones.
	I have...
	Obviously I'm going to have to do something about this Windows 8 thing because it keeps sending me messages.
	I found a new buzzword or something that I think the Republicans are going to try to tie to Hillary.
	Okay.
	I've never heard this before.
	Okay.
	It came right out of Rance Priebus' mouth.
	Okay.
	He was on the Chip show, Chip Gregory.
	Yeah, which is...
	Face the nation.
	Meet the press.
	Meet the press.
	Sure.
	Face the press.
	Talk to the press.
	Now, he's going to talk a little bit about the book, the Gates book.
	He's going to talk a little bit about Hillary.
	And after he's done with this, after this clip is over, I want you to tell me, because it's pretty obvious, what the new approach is going to be, especially the one single buzz term, which he can't resist pretty much revealing.
	Hillary Clinton, the Secretary of State, told the President that her opposition to the 2007 surge in Iraq had been political because she was facing him in the Iowa primary.
	The President conceded vaguely that opposition to the Iraq surge had been political.
	To hear the two of them making these admissions in front of me was as surprising as it was dismaying.
	Certainly, progressive liberal Democrats may have an issue with her taking that position, as reported by Robert Gates.
	How do you view it?
	I think she's a political person.
	And I think what this country is starving for are real, authentic people that want to serve this country with a pure heart.
	And when they read these things about Hillary Clinton, when they examine her life, they question it.
	And I think that this is something that is going to be potentially on the ballot coming 2016 and surrounds Hillary Clinton wherever she goes.
	Is she real?
	Is she authentic?
	Is she genuine?
	Does she want to serve this country with a pure heart?
	I think she's political, and I think that Robert Gates' book shows that once again.
	Wow.
	Is she real?
	Is she pure?
	Pure heart.
	Pure heart.
	Yeah, he said it twice.
	He said it twice.
	I think this is going to be the way they're going to go after her as a phony.
	And an insincere phony who doesn't have a pure heart.
	It's just like, okay, well, let's see how this one works out for you guys.
	Well, I like the meme that flows on kind of on the back of that about her her enemy hit list.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Hillary.
	You have the hit list because I noticed that, but I didn't get around to pulling the article.
	Yeah.
	Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign kept a detailed list of party colleagues who staffers believe had betrayed her.
	During the long and bitter primary battle with President Obama, a new book reveals, the list included rankings with those who were considered the most egregious traitors by Clinton loyalists.
	This is very Nixonian.
	Totally.
	Then-Senator John Kerry, who would ultimately succeed Clinton as Secretary of State in the Obama administration, was among those who received the blackest of black marks.
	I can just see a little scribble.
	That big-headed shit...
	Let's see.
	Who else?
	Edward Kennedy.
	Well, of course he's dead.
	Oh yeah, he turned on...
	He should be at the top of the list.
	He really turned on her.
	Jay Rockefeller, Bob Casey, Patrick Leahy, as well as Chris Vine-Holland, Democrat from Maryland, Rob Andrews, Barron Hill.
	And this book, HRC, is scheduled to be published February 11th.
	So that's another one of those...
	But, you know, you just see the reporting.
	What is this?
	This other report is from...
	Oh, this is The Blaze, which, of course, is totally right-wing.
	Hillary Clinton has secret hit list.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, we know there is a Clinton body count.
	So this is nothing new.
	You probably don't want to be on any list that Hillary Clinton has on her person.
	No, I don't think so.
	You don't think so?
	What?
	I don't think you want to be on the list.
	No, no.
	You can die.
	Unless you're on a Friends of Hillary list.
	That'd be good.
	Two shots to the head with a gun in your left hand.
	This is not a good list to be on.
	This is very, very bad.
	I'm going to show myself old by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	I'd just like to start off, John, real quick with a quick thank you to Joe from HealthySurprise.com.
	I got another box.
	Did you get another box?
	No, I didn't get a box for a while.
	Adam, thanks.
	The last box I got was not good.
	Well, we got something called Kale Nola in the new box.
	Kale Nola.
	I think I got Kale Nola in the old box, which was weeks ago.
	Well, Joe, you've got to send me an email because you're still sending it to our old address.
	No, you just got the old box.
	That's what happened.
	Thanks for continuing to deconstruct the news.
	Your value-for-value model really is the only way to provide unbiased coverage.
	Well, at least the biases you bring are funny and are aligned with the citizens as opposed to the security state.
	You have the great work with Love, Joseph Winkie, chief snackologist from HealthySurprise.com.
	There was some good stuff in the box.
	The kale nola was interesting.
	I'll try anything with kale in it.
	Oh, brother.
	I will.
	I'll try anything.
	Yeah, well, the Obama bots are getting to you.
	It's just a matter of time.
	Yeah, right.
	Marius Mikkelbust, I want to thank him from Spiderburg, Norway.
	I'm sorry, Speedburg, I'm sure.
	1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
	He has a note, by the way, I don't know that he's on the birthday list.
	His birthday, he wants Scott...
	Kenneth Meiklebust.
	Hold on a second.
	He's not on the list.
	So Marius...
	I don't know, but this whole thing's got a big black border around it, but he's not on the birthday list.
	Marius Michaelbust.
	And who is he congratulating?
	Kenneth.
	Kenneth Michaelbust?
	Yeah.
	And how old is he?
	He'll be 26.
	Okay.
	On?
	On the 15th.
	Okay.
	That's on yesterday.
	And he has, you know, this KMSPhotography.co.uk and 1000BodiesProject.com.
	We've talked about him before.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, I know.
	Of course.
	Of course.
	Dame Tanya Wyman came in with $111.11 and she sent me a note by mail.
	The last few months have been so busy, and she's one of our more illustrious dames, and so we'll always read her note.
	The last few months have been so busy, I've become dangerously close to bonerhood for not donating.
	So please accept the mea culpa in the form of an enclosed making it rain donation by supporting John's exit strategy by calling Lady Nina to the stage.
	Are we doing that today or are we doing that Sunday?
	No, no, no, we're not doing it today.
	But she's got it.
	She's on the list.
	All right, good.
	I have two recommendations from my fellow producers.
	The book Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood, a remarkable dystopian tale encompassing no agenda memes such as corporate fascism, company towns, and genetic engineering.
	And the 1967 version of the movie Bedazzled, a hilarious black comedy featuring Peter Cook and Dudley Moore in a jaw-droppingly prescient Prescient final scene.
	Best of luck to you both.
	I think I've heard of this bedazzled.
	I've not seen it, but I've heard of it.
	I have.
	It's quite funny.
	Rob Dodd, $111 in Shoreline, Washington.
	Huge fans.
	Give a shout-out to the boner.
	To Joel the boner.
	DeLonge.
	So I think a shout-out means a douche thing.
	Douche shout-out.
	Okay, I'll give him a douche shout-out.
	Douchebag!
	Javier Vasquez, $100 in San Diego, California.
	We've got him on the birthday list.
	Amanda Scroy.
	I'm guessing Scroy.
	What do you think?
	Scroy.
	$100.
	And she's in South Bend, Indiana.
	She's working on her PhD.
	Lafay King, Muskegon, Michigan, $100.
	And then we have a group of...
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I was in a completely different space.
	A group of...
	69!
	69 dudes!
	A short group, but it's a group.
	It's Leif King, by the way.
	I'm reading his note.
	It sounds like a safe with an L. And he's...
	In Michigan.
	Jorge or George Alvarez in Council Bluffs, Iowa, 6969.
	Brian Barrow in Wooten Bassett, UK. Christopher Yagi in Kanata, Ontario.
	And Stephen Dew in Newburgh, West Virginia.
	And I think he said something by mail, I think.
	And where is it?
	Yeah, he sent an unreadable note that had the ending of screw longhand.
	It was in block letters.
	Thank you for your comedy and you're welcome to my check, all of it.
	Screw PayPal.
	I needed to send a long overdue swazzle enough because I've been getting laid regularly and I don't want to tempt the karma gods by running too high a surplus.
	So send me some 6969 karma to all human resources and some new human resources.
	We'll do that at the end of the list.
	And my lady friend, get the lot, lizards, and LSD ready for my eventual knighthood.
	Okay.
	Lizards and LSD. PayPal again.
	69!
	69, dudes!
	And this is an interesting one from Ty.
	Yeah, Ty Muckler sent 69 in.
	He's out of New Jersey, Union City.
	He says, long-time lists are now in need of a kidney transplant.
	He's hoping for some kidney transplant karma.
	We have to do that.
	Yeah, there we go.
	You've got karma.
	He's on dialysis probably.
	I'll tell you that a friend of ours gave his kidney to someone who was in need of a kidney, and it's a lot easier than it sounds.
	No, it is.
	I mean, you know, it's like three days in the hospital and then you're out and a little bit of bloating maybe because you've been opened up.
	But it's not the horror syndrome that it used to be.
	If you can donate a kidney to somebody, it's pretty doable.
	Yeah.
	Alright.
	I'm always in awe of people doing this kind of thing, by the way.
	David Hazan in Brooklyn, New York, 66-69.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	I've got to say hi to David.
	He's been helping me out a lot on the Turkey translation stuff.
	He speaks Turkish?
	He does.
	Good.
	Lee Stevenson, Stockholm, Sweden.
	5555.
	Maxwell Roberts.
	What is this color?
	Oh, this is because it's a douchebag callout.
	Double nickels on the dime.
	He wants to call out Scott McLaughlin for being a douchebag.
	Bill Hutchinson in Shido Park in Australia.
	Double nickels on the dime.
	He will have a birthday callout.
	Stephanie Lusby in Midlothian, Virginia.
	Double nickels on the dime.
	Scott Carbon.
	Parts Unknown.
	Double Nickels on the Diamond.
	Timmy Koch.
	K-O-K-K-E. Kochie.
	Double Nickels on the Diamond.
	Kulemborg, Netherlands.
	How do you pronounce that name?
	Kulemborg.
	No, not that name.
	Kochie.
	Timmy Kochke.
	Kochke.
	Timmy Kochke.
	Sir Stephen Nelson in Wheat Ridge, Colorado.
	Wheat Ridge.
	Ian Chafee in Los Angeles, California.
	It should say anonymous, but it doesn't.
	Mark something.
	I got writer, reader, reader, I don't know.
	Or make, M-A-I-K. Mike Roeder, probably.
	Roeder, did that come through on your spreadsheet?
	No, I'm just guessing.
	Heidelberg, home of the Heidelberg Press.
	Josh McDonald, Brunswick Victorious, Chris Lewinsky, Sherwood Park, Alberta.
	Huey Chris.
	And finally, 50 bucks each.
	Those are all $50.
	And Cameron Smith in Wangary, New Zealand.
	Nice name for a town.
	He's got a birthday coming up.
	Anonymous in Putney, Virginia.
	Walter Grant IV in Moreno Valley, California.
	Stephanie Johnson, Saginaw, Michigan.
	Mike Westerfield, our regular, I think he's Sir Mike Westerfield.
	Brandon Savoy, parts unknown.
	Alan DeLon in Luxembourg.
	And finally, Philip Meason.
	In POWs, UK. And then, just going back to Bill Hutchinson, he has a birthday call-out, but also an F cancer for his friend's seven-year-old daughter has stage four brain cancer.
	Ouch.
	Yeah, so let's do a little bit of that.
	You've got karma.
	And I had a make good from Marky Boy from the Devil's Toilet, Florida.
	I'm an 1111 monthly donor.
	I've been for three years.
	Just donated $100.
	This was earlier in the week, or Sunday.
	Due to John's newsletter, the window lickers at PayPal didn't accept the note I wrote.
	Could you please call Ewan and Stacy as sponging donor douchebags?
	Douchebags!
	Marky Boy from the Devil's Toilet, Florida.
	Don't want to miss those douchebag calls.
	No, no.
	I always want to try and get the call.
	And then there was somebody...
	I guess I forgot to write this down.
	Somebody pulled it and made a joke on us with a name.
	It was like, Mike Acazard.
	See more butts.
	Yeah, Mike Acazard.
	Thanks.
	We're so busy.
	I don't know how you managed to do that on PayPal, but okay.
	Well, regardless, the fact that we didn't catch it because we're so busy, I don't know, doing the show?
	Doing the show.
	Doing the show.
	It's like, ha, ha, ha, ha.
	All right.
	A couple other little notes.
	I got Eddie Ching.
	How does one sign up for the newsletter?
	It's on every single episode.
	Show notes.
	It's on noagendershow.com.
	It's everywhere.
	It says, sign up for the newsletter.
	Exactly.
	Another guy, Catman in Laredo, donated a small amount, but he said that he wanted to make sure that we knew that the 1124 show, that's how far back he is, was excellent.
	Oh, thank you.
	And he likes the Freddy the Firewall character.
	Well, luckily somebody does.
	Anything else?
	Can I wrap this up?
	Hold on a second.
	What the hell is this?
	iTunes just opened up?
	Why?
	I don't know.
	And it says, what is it doing?
	I don't know.
	It's asking me for some...
	What?
	This is the weirdest thing.
	So I must have hit an AI... I'm sorry, my whole computer is now frozen because of iTunes.
	Hold on.
	What the hell?
	You know, iTunes is one of the worst pieces of garbage ever perpetrated on the American public.
	The population of the world, not just the American public.
	It's like, it's a resource hog.
	All right, everybody.
	We will have another show on Sunday, just a couple days, and we'll have more deconstruction.
	I think we've provided some value for you.
	You've learned about 1-2-3-3-3.
	Hello?
	1-2-3-3-3?
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	Javier Vasquez celebrates today happy birthday, along with Cameron Smith, who says happy birthday to his beautiful wife, Anna Lucia.
	Anna Lucia.
	So, Lucia.
	are.
	All right.
	She's celebrating on the 19th.
	Bill Hutchinson turns 37 this week and Marius Michael Buss says happy birthday to Kenneth Michael Buss who turned 26 yesterday.
	Happy birthday from all your friends here at the best podcast in the universe.
	And so we have Beth who's going, she's getting her sword play today.
	She'll be the dame of, is it B-A-J, is Baja?
	Baja.
	Baja, Arizona.
	So, okay.
	Since we're playing with swords, do you have your sword today?
	Yeah, here it is.
	Okay.
	Here we go.
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	Nothing to corrupt our opinions.
	No, nothing at all.
	Nothing.
	Let's see.
	What else did I... There was some other things that were going...
	Oh, yes.
	Russia.
	Ah, Russia.
	Russia, Russia, Russia.
	Now, Brian, our gay crusader, who I have to say, I thank him for his courage, because he's going to He's going to get himself in trouble.
	Yes, he's going to get himself in trouble.
	He realizes it.
	But he is so mad about the continuous propagation of these lies, particularly if you compare it to how LGBTQI people are treated in other countries, including these United States.
	And he's mad that his communities are being used for political reasons and that people are all on board with it.
	So there's a couple of things that have happened in just this past week regarding the so-called gay laws, gay hate in Russia.
	And the Netherlands is at the top of the list right now.
	As I think I told you, the king and the queen, along with the prime minister, are all going to the Olympic Games, and the Dutch are outraged.
	And the Russians, they came right back and said, oh, really, Holland?
	Really?
	What they probably said quietly is, if you don't shut up, we're going to turn off your gas.
	But they said, oh, really, Holland?
	We have this little report, this little report about human rights in the European Union.
	I've taken the liberty of...
	Putting a marked-up copy of this report in the show notes, which you'll find at 583.noagendanotes.com.
	Report on the human rights situation in the European Union.
	It's a very interesting document.
	They've taken it from publicly available sources.
	This is the Russians retaliating, saying the European Union continues to position itself as the main outpost in the struggle for human rights in the world, but its own legal activity in this area does not correspond to these claims.
	In the European Union, space still remain for some unresolved issues concerning the implementation of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights.
	This is a legal thing which I thought was interesting.
	The inclusion of the charter in the Lisbon Treaty has not changed its limited application.
	The charter applies only to the activities of the EU institutions and its member states in the case they implement the U.S. legislation, which they haven't.
	So Russia's basically saying, you know, you guys are a bunch of hypocrites.
	Shut up.
	And the Netherlands in particular was called out, and they have a little blurb on every country.
	I only highlighted the Netherlands because the Russians basically made a big deal out of it.
	Among the areas of concern in terms of respect for human rights in the Kingdom of the Netherlands, attention is still drawn to the situation with illegal immigrants and asylum seekers.
	Now you have to know that the asylum seekers are all thrown into these little cabins which look like jails and people are committing suicide in them and they're catching on fire and like 24 people are dying just because they're stuck in this little wooden box.
	And then they go into the Netherlands being pretty much open house for pedophiles and child pornography.
	And they have open source information to back up their claims.
	So well worth reading if you check out the show notes.
	Here's the things that are interesting.
	Heineken is once again going to sponsor the Holland House at the Olympic Games in Sochi, and they're getting a free pass for some reason.
	Heineken said, oh, you know, we talked to the COC, which is the big gay organization in Holland, and we were informed, and we think we can still sponsor the Olympic Games in the Holland House.
	And of course, not a single publication in the Netherlands is calling them to task because, oh, I don't know, they're a huge advertiser.
	Here in the United States, we, of course, continue to propagate the lie that there is some anti-gay regulation.
	Kill all the gays.
	You can't be gay.
	You can't talk gay.
	You can't even think gay.
	You can't even want to blow a job from a woman that looks like a guy if you're going to Russia.
	And what we have done is we have the president, as you recall, has put together a team.
	And what was this team, John?
	This was known gays and lesbians to go to the Olympics to make a stand.
	Was this your impression of what happened there?
	Yeah, that's what I thought.
	And on this was the Billie Jean King.
	A known lesbian, and she's there to make a stand.
	And she was talking about this on one of the morning shows.
	And wouldn't you know, it turns out, maybe not so.
	As one of five members of the U.S. presidential delegation, Billie Jean King, good morning.
	Good morning.
	It's great to be here.
	This delegation includes three openly gay members.
	Which is funny, actually, because Janet Napolitano is also on the delegation, and she's not counted as one of the three.
	Ah!
	Yeah.
	Good catch.
	She's going, but they put up the three.
	Who's the one straight person?
	I don't know.
	Probably not straight.
	I'm sure they're all gay now that you mention it.
	As one of five members of the U.S. presidential delegation.
	Billie Jean King, good morning.
	Good morning.
	It's great to be here.
	This delegation includes three openly gay members.
	And of course, a lot of people view it as a gesture to the Russian government, which recently passed strict anti-gay laws.
	Okay, stop, stop, stop.
	This makes me mad.
	Did you hear what he said?
	Yeah, they passed a bunch of anti-gay laws.
	Strict anti-gay laws.
	The word gay is not even in the law.
	And it is about propaganda of alternative lifestyle to minors.
	That's it.
	There is no word about gay, lesbian, any LGBTQI at all whatsoever.
	This is a lie.
	As one of five members of the U.S. presidential delegation, Billie Jean King, good morning.
	Good morning.
	It's great to be here.
	This delegation includes three openly gay members, and of course, a lot of people view it as a gesture to the Russian government, which recently passed strict anti-gay laws.
	And she's going, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, because she didn't read them.
	Did you discuss that with the president in any way?
	No, did not.
	Oh, wow!
	Gee, wait a minute.
	The president?
	I thought he was pretty much taking credit for sending these people there.
	No, no, no, I didn't talk about, not at all.
	Didn't even come up in conversation.
	Not for a second.
	Really, no.
	Did you discuss that with the president in any way?
	No, did not.
	No?
	We have not been told what to say, not to say, which is kind of nice, actually.
	So what do you see your role as?
	I think our first job is to represent our country and our president.
	Yeah, by the way, nice trip, free trip.
	Yeah, to Sochi, which is a nice part of it.
	Sochi, awesome.
	Right on the Baltic Ocean, I believe.
	These are the trips you want.
	Yeah.
	Private planes, helicopters, limos, food, all the chicks you can bang.
	And also, our job is, this is, you know, the Olympics are really first and foremost about the athletes.
	And I don't want anyone to lose sight of that because these athletes have worked so hard.
	When we spoke with you back in August, we asked you if athletes should protest.
	And back then you said that's sort of a hard one.
	What do you think now?
	And I would have to imagine that Rule 50, which a lot of people don't realize exists in the Olympics, plays a big role.
	Yes, I think that probably came from the fact when John Carlos and Tommy Smith raised their I think the rule of poverty was written after that Rule 50.
	Because it bans all political demonstrations.
	It bans that they're not supposed to protest or demonstrate.
	And if they do, they can have their medals stripped and they can be sent home.
	All right.
	You know, I'm one of those crazy people who then goes and looks at Rule 50.
	Please.
	Rule 50.
	Advertising, demonstrations, and propaganda.
	The IOC Executive Board determines the principles and conditions under which any form of advertising or other publicity may be authorized.
	No form of advertising or other publicity shall be allowed in and above the stadia, venues, and other competition areas which are considered as part of the Olympic sites.
	Commercial installations and advertising signs shall not be allowed in the state.
	This is an advertising clause.
	And then one line...
	No kind of demonstration or political, religious, or racial propaganda is permitted in any Olympic sites, venues, or other areas.
	It's pretty much the same as the Russian law against propaganda to minors for alternative lifestyle.
	You're not allowed to propagandize any alternative lifestyle.
	They're the same.
	And that's all, and the rest is all about advertising.
	What the logo can be, where it can be displayed, how big it can be, no greater than 60 centimeters from, you know, 6 centimeters, 60 centimeters from the Olympic logo, headgear, it's all about advertising.
	And this one little line, your Rule 50, is exactly the same as the Russian law.
	No propaganda permitted for religious, political, or racial propaganda, or any kind of demonstration.
	And the president didn't even ask her to do anything in the first place.
	So you think this was a bunch of bull?
	Now let me just tell you what's happening in the United States.
	I'll just give you four headlines.
	Arrest made and beating of man by a mob of 20 outside gay bar in Cleveland.
	Man's nose broken and Capitol Hill gay bashing.
	Gay man allegedly attacked by Cleveland mob and hate crime.
	You see, the problem here, and if I could get a million of these for the Netherlands, where the Moroccan immigrants have turned Amsterdam, the most gay-friendly city in the world, to my knowledge, into a place where people, especially gay and lesbian couples, don't even want to hold hands on the street anymore for fear of being beaten up.
	And this is a misdirected anger.
	Particularly from the LGBTQI community who are so mad, but they are directing their anger towards Russia improperly and not dealing with the stuff that is happening right next door.
	They're having their anger directed.
	I'm sorry, you're right.
	They are being directed, but it's misdirected anger.
	Right, I agree.
	And look at what's happening in your own home, and all this protest, it's because they are angry about what's happening to them personally, and it's being directed towards Russia for completely...
	For real political reasons.
	And I have to tell you, I'm so tired of this Cold War.
	I grew up during the Cold War.
	I'm tired of it.
	It's no fun.
	And it's too bad it's kind of working again.
	How stupid are we?
	I'll never forget going to Moscow in 1988 or 89 before the wall came down for the Moscow Music Peace Festival and I was told about the KGB and every hooker was KGB and they'll be tapping my phone and it's all a police state and everything's horrible.
	And I remember looking out of the 35 camera truck and With a direct satellite phone connection to Long Island, I could pick up the phone, had a Long Island dial tone, and saw this little gray bus, LADA bus, which was the KGB thing with little curtains, and I thought, holy crap, we thought these guys had some technology.
	They got nothing.
	And it turns out...
	No, they had nothing.
	It was really funny, because I was there around the same time, and I was staying at the Mir, which is spelled M and backwards R... And it was a diplomat's hotel before they commercialized it for the public, even though it was still before the fall of communism.
	So there were all these maids, you know, there's some woman at each floor you have to say hello to and all the rest.
	But they had microphones planted in there.
	And the microphones had, they're clearly microphones, but they were planted there God knows when and they had been painted over.
	From, like, layers and layers.
	You could chip the paint off and find the microphone, but it was just like, they didn't care.
	It was just, the whole thing was so shoddy.
	It was like, he had to feel bad.
	I've said this before.
	Ronald Reagan, when he got elected, made a big deal about the evil empire.
	The evil empire, and he went on and on and on about it until he went to Russia.
	Right.
	Exactly.
	He went to Russia and never used that term again, and he's the one who worked with Gorbachev to get things together.
	Bring the wall down, yeah.
	He apparently went there and saw what was going on.
	It was horrible.
	Yeah.
	But this propaganda...
	So we have this Dave Satter, and he's been all over the news.
	This guy must be a CIA operative or something.
	Oh, I got kicked out of Russia!
	I'm a journalist!
	I got kicked out of Russia!
	Well, we really...
	And actually, props to Brian...
	I'm not giving his last name yet, because I don't want him...
	If he wants to use his last name on the report and everything, that's up to him.
	I don't want to be outing him the whole time, so to speak.
	He did the research on this Dave Satter...
	First of all, the guy was working for Radio Free Europe, Radio Liberty.
	Hello!
	And he essentially, he didn't get his visa in time.
	It expired before the 21st.
	And the Russian authorities even said, hey man, you've got to get your visa together.
	And he didn't.
	And then he re-entered and they said, get out!
	You know, he's making a big deal.
	Oh, they're kicking the journalists out.
	Shut up, people.
	Shut up.
	And then the Nobel laureates pen an open letter to Putin.
	Actor Ian McKellen and 27 Nobel laureates have written an open letter urging Russia's president to repeal an anti-gay law, which is not true, ABC News.
	It's not an anti-gay law.
	And expressing their solidarity with critics of the legislation.
	It tires me.
	You know, we do this sort of thing.
	We've been doing it forever.
	And it's funny to see the old-fashioned versions of it here and there.
	And you don't get to hear too much of it.
	But the Iranians have done a deal with them.
	And they come out and tell their people...
	Essentially blatant lies about how it came down, but it's really not that much different than what we do, only it's kind of funnier because we think that this isn't going on everywhere.
	But play my Iranian blowhard clip and see some other people doing this sort of lying.
	And today, President Hassan Rouhani claimed his government won a victory with the landmark nuclear agreement.
	Under the deal, Iran is to scale back its nuclear enrichment in exchange for economic sanctions relief over the next six months.
	Rouhani told supporters in the city of Awaz that the U.S. and others caved to Iran's demands.
	The Geneva Agreement will be put into action within the next few days.
	Do you know what the Geneva Agreement means?
	It means the surrender of great international powers before the great nation of Iran.
	The Geneva Agreement means the breaking of the barrier of sanctions that had been imposed wrongfully on this dear and peace-loving nation of Iran.
	Iranian hardliners have criticized the deal, arguing it infringes on Tehran's right to nuclear enrichment.
	Yeah, this is the thing that Israel is so incredibly angry about.
	They feel that they've been sold down the river.
	And I believe part of this is why the minister of...
	Is it defense?
	Defense minister?
	What's his name?
	Hold on, I have it here.
	Could be.
	His name is Yalon.
	Where he said, John Kerry is a messianic thing.
	Get this guy out of here.
	Yeah, right.
	He's the anti-Kerry blowhard.
	Another blowhard.
	Yeah, he's like, why don't you give him a Nobel Peace Prize so we can just...
	That's all.
	Get him out of here.
	Messianic.
	He says he doesn't know what he's doing.
	Yeah, well, he doesn't.
	Well, that's probably true, but who does?
	Yeah.
	Well, and I totally am on board that we're discounting this guy.
	You've got to think John Kerry wants to make a run as well for 2016.
	We haven't really looked at him carefully.
	Well, that's a good point.
	We haven't.
	We haven't considered him as a possible candidate.
	Because he's the kind of guy that, you know, his ego almost kind of warrants it, you know?
	So there was all kinds of things showing up in the Federal Register about Iran.
	Let's see.
	January 15th, this notice is to inform the public that the President of the United States determined on November 29, 2013, the NDAA, consistent with prior determination, there is sufficient supply of petroleum and petroleum products from countries other than Iran to permit a significant reduction in the volume of petroleum and petroleum products purchased from Iran.
	But then right below it, We have a determination from the Secretary of State that says, as amended by the Iran Threat Reduction and Syria Human Rights Act, as of November 29th, each of the following importers of oil from Iran has qualified for the 180-day exception.
	And I believe this is what Rahani is celebrating.
	So for 180 days, the following countries have an exception to purchase oil from Iran, India, Malaysia, the People's Republic of China, the Republic of Korea, that would be South Korea, Singapore, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, and Turkey.
	I guess that's kind of the win there.
	I guess.
	And then there's an Iran-Russia deal that seems to be concerning.
	Yeah.
	It's very small, $1.5 billion, but it's...
	I don't know, man.
	I don't think it's...
	I think that things are fine.
	Although, you know, the guy has to do the blowhard thing.
	I mean, it doesn't surprise me because when Kennedy, you know, forced them to pull the missiles out of Cuba, I was a kid then.
	I remember all this.
	And we took all this credit for making the Khrushchev back down.
	In fact, it was a quid pro quo.
	They told us, yeah, we'll take the missiles out, but you've got to get those missiles out of Poland.
	Exactly.
	And so we pulled a bunch of missiles out, and then we pulled the same stunt that this guy did, which is take credit for the whole thing.
	Those Russians are, you know, they backed down.
	We backed them down.
	This is nonsense we don't need.
	There's a funny little thing in Israel.
	Israel's Ministerial Committee for Legislation approved a bill on Sunday that would forbid the use of the word Nazi in any form, as well as words with similar sounds, for any reason.
	Use of the word Nazi would be allowed only for educational purposes, documentation, historical or scientific research.
	Offenders face up to six months in prison and a fine of 100,000 shekels, about $28,000.
	If you use the word, the law also outlaws insulting someone by wishing or expressing hope that the Nazis' goals should be fulfilled.
	As well as lamenting the fact that the Nazis failed to achieve their goals.
	You've got to write this down, man.
	We've got to be very careful.
	You can't call anyone a Nazi anymore.
	However, the bill does not prohibit calling actual Nazis Nazis.
	Oh, there's your out.
	This is, you know, people.
	I mean, seriously.
	What are you regulating here?
	History.
	Yeah, free speech.
	I have one last clip because it caught me off guard.
	The Chinese have relaxed a one-child rule, and they've started to relax it some time ago by allowing only children to have two children.
	But then now it's just pretty much wide open.
	And I was thinking because the Chinese love children so much, That they would go and just start having a bunch of kids, and it may not be true.
	In fact, the situation, because I think the Chinese culture has actually changed just enough with all this capitalism that they've inserted that...
	The Chinese don't want to have more kids, and this report kind of outlines some of it.
	Food safety standards in China are terrible.
	In the supermarket, I always go to the imported food section.
	When my child was very young, we used to order milk powder and even nappies from Japan over the Internet.
	At that time, a can of milk powder was more than 30 euros.
	Huh?
	China's birth rate is now below 1.5 children per woman.
	That's one of the lowest in the world.
	Many experts like Zuo Shui Jing say the one-child policy is now irrelevant.
	Over the long term, the birth rate in China will be very low.
	Other Chinese communities like in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau have the lowest birth rates in the world.
	And over there, they don't even have any birth control policies.
	The percentage of senior citizens in China will keep increasing in the future, which will impact the sustainable economic development of our country.
	So there will be big problems.
	This aging demographic and a limited pension system have direct consequences on China's birth rates.
	Many young couples must sacrifice the money needed for a second child to financially help their elderly parents.
	And you know what?
	This all happens?
	Well...
	2030.
	2030, baby.
	And what are we calling it?
	The Chinese disaster of 2030.
	I don't know what we're going to call it.
	The Chinese population disaster of 2030?
	Yeah, that would be good.
	Yeah, I think that's a good one.
	2030.
	I have a different clip to play us out with, and we have not done Turkey, but this is actually good because I have a couple more things to study.
	Some real crazy crap is going down in Turkey, as the Gulenist essentially versus Erdogan.
	Now the Gulenist police force raided the Humanitarian Relief Foundation, which is a Turkish non-governmental organization known as the IHH.
	These are the same guys who sent the flotilla to Gaza.
	Right.
	And the Gulenists were against that to start with, so now the power play is getting pretty obvious.
	But there's a couple more things that I'm looking into.
	This is very, very complicated because as a Westerner, the culture, the understanding, the Sunnis, the Shiites, the post of the Caliph, the Caliphate, I'm becoming a student of this and it's very, very hard.
	To get a real grasp on all of it.
	And I still think it's got to be...
	Kind of our standard operating procedure.
	It's like we need to have some form of control over this very important geographic area because of the pipelines and the train tracks that will be going through it.
	So we just create a storm internally and then our guy stands up, I guess.
	Yeah, that's the way it works.
	Either that or we just leave rubble.
	Yeah, but it's too important.
	Turkey can't be left in rubble.
	No, I don't think it's going to be left in rubble.
	However, I do have a Nigel Farage clip from the European Union.
	And I don't even have to ask you, I know you love listening to Nigel.
	Nigel.
	And making plans for Nigel.
	And he, this is his welcome to the, you know, the presidency of the European Union changes.
	And just to add insult to injury, Greece is now, maintains the presidency of the European Union.
	And Nigel Farage is the kind of guy who welcomes everybody in with open arms.
	Well, I must congratulate you, Mr. Samaras, for getting the Greek presidency off to such a cracking start.
	Your overnight successful negotiation in the trial are gone method.
	I'm sure we'll have them dancing in the streets of Athens.
	No matter that your country, very poorly advised by Goldman Sachs, joined a currency that it was never suited to.
	No matter that 30% are unemployed, that 60% of youth are unemployed, that a neo-Nazi party is on the march, that there was a terrorist attack on the German embassy...
	No, don't worry about all that, because the trialogue on MIFID has been a success.
	And, in many ways, it sums up the two Europe's.
	The Europe that's talked about in here by the dreamers who want to impose a new United States of Europe with an identity and a currency and the real world out there.
	And you come here, Mr Samaras, and you tell us that you represent the sovereign will of the Greek people.
	well I'm sorry but you're not in charge of Greece and I suggest you rename and rebrand your party.
	It's called new democracy I suggest you call it no democracy because Greece is now under foreign control.
	You can't make any decisions you've been bailed out and you've surrendered.
	Democracy the thing your country invented in the first place and you can't admit that joining the euro was a mistake because of course Mr Papandreou did that didn't he?
	He even said there should be a referendum in Greece.
	And within 48 hours, the unholy trinity that now run this European Union had him removed and replaced by an ex-Goldman Sachs employee, Papandreou.
	We are run now by big business, big banks, and in the shape of Mr Barroso, big bureaucrats.
	And actually, that's what these European elections are really going to be all about.
	It's going to be a battle of national democracy versus EU state bureaucracy.
	Whatever you may say in this chamber, the people out there don't want a United States of Europe.
	They want a Europe of sovereign states trading and working together.
	And I believe the European elections are going to mark a watershed.
	Up until now, everybody has thought, much as they may not like the development of the European Union, that it was inevitable.
	That myth of inevitability will be shattered by the European elections this year.
	Thank you.
	I love it that he brings up the Papandreas was replaced by a Goldman Sachs show within 48 hours.
	Yeah, you forget these things.
	We have to remember that one of the precepts of our show is that this is all leading to a great civil war.
	Yes.
	Which may start in Turkey.
	Well, it's going to start somewhere.
	Yeah.
	That's why we want to go to Europe this summer and enjoy it while it lasts.
	I think it's probably a good idea.
	By the way, you heard something in there which one of our producers caught and turned me on to, this big government, big whatever he was saying.
	I'm seeing this crop up in climate change conversation as well.
	Big heat, big rain, big wind.
	Yeah, keep your eye out on it.
	This is the new thing.
	It's big.
	We'll see lots of big heat.
	Big heat.
	All right.
	Yes, so I got my turkey stuff for Sunday.
	Got some vaccine stuff with the swine flu, which is interesting.
	We have to talk more about CAR, probably.
	Central African Republic...
	There's some good copyright stuff, hearings on C-SPAN, which I picked a couple clips out of.
	Oh, good.
	Good, good, good.
	And it's very interesting, some of the thinking.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I have some good scholastic legislation from New York, which will knock your socks off.
	All right.
	Well, good.
	So we have stuff to look forward to.
	And, of course, there's always something new that will crop up.
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