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	Glenn Greenwald is out there and he's the hitman.
	Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
	It's Sunday, July 14, 2013.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 530.
	This is No Agenda.
	Changing my icon to reflect my apathy here in the Travis Heights hideout in Austin Tejas, capital of the Drone Star State.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley asking the question, what is the color of apathy?
	I'm John C. Demorak.
	It's Craig Vaughn and Buzzkill.
	In the morning.
	Does it matter?
	Well, Mortimer.
	Hello, Mortimer.
	I think you owe me...
	The color is, does it matter?
	It doesn't matter.
	Mortimer, I think you owe me one dollar.
	A bull?
	What do you mean?
	I said there would be no riots.
	There was a riot in Oakland.
	A hundred people burning a container is not a riot, John.
	Broken windows.
	What do you define as a riot?
	Like L.A. riots.
	Come on.
	L.A. riots.
	Those were exceptional.
	Now we're going to get technical?
	Please.
	I was right.
	I was right.
	There's no riots.
	You had a hundred people in Oakland, and that's it.
	And there's another one scheduled today.
	Ooh, boy!
	Okay, keep your dollar.
	And San Francisco.
	Those are not riots.
	They don't schedule a riot.
	They schedule a protest march.
	You know who's behind this?
	I got the biggest kick out of watching this because they had the printed signs.
	The whole thing is so disgusting, but please give me this then.
	Keep your dollar.
	It certainly didn't pan out the way they hoped it would.
	Well, I think anyone who actually followed the trial might be a little unshocked by the results.
	Well, not the results of the trial.
	I'm saying the results of people getting angry and taking to the streets.
	I think that this has shown that we are a nation of apathetic couch potatoes who do not care and who will not actually go out and let our voices be heard on the street.
	It does not happen anymore.
	I disagree completely.
	There's a lot of people that want their voices to be heard on the street.
	In fact, I have a clip...
	Play the clip SF Idiots on the Street Respond to Zimmerman.
	And there's some great, really fantastic analysis here.
	Demonstrators say this trial has stirred up plenty of emotions.
	It's a son.
	It's a brother.
	How many more family members, black, brown communities have to be targeted before they identify this is a racist system?
	Quite frankly, the young black man Trayvon Martin was put on trial for his own murder.
	I think this is really unfair that he's free and he actually killed Trayvon Martin for nothing.
	No, no, no.
	He killed Trayvon Martin for nothing!
	For nothing!
	You don't have the right clip, man.
	You don't have it.
	I'm sorry.
	You don't have the right clip.
	Do you want the clip?
	You want the clip here, brother?
	I'm there.
	All right.
	Jesse Jackson.
	All right?
	All right.
	Are you ready, brother?
	That's always a topper.
	Stand back.
	Now, first, we've got to get into, you know, how the justice system has failed.
	You know, apparently he wasn't watching any court proceedings, but he ends it with just a butte.
	You know, first question, obviously, what was your reaction to this verdict?
	Frank, I am stunned over this grace, this tremendous miscarriage of justice.
	Isn't that great?
	Right there, I'm like, okay, keep it going, Jesse.
	What would the appropriate term be, John?
	Not miscarriage of justice, clearly, although that's a title right there.
	What is the proper term?
	I'm an idiot, signed Jesse.
	When the jury says not guilty, he's at least guilty of murder.
	No, no, I'm sorry.
	What?
	When the jury says not guilty, he's at least guilty of murder, just so you know.
	An armed man racially pursuing and profiling a young African-American boy and kills him.
	And in this case, the prosecutor denied, should I say, ignored the matter of race.
	And the defense attorney denied it.
	But the fact of the matter is, this is a pattern of behavior toward young African-American men.
	Whether it is Grant in Oakland or Diallo in New York or Trayvon Martin in Florida.
	Okay, get ready for it.
	And it's very painful.
	Reverend, I want to ask you about the makeup of the jury.
	You tweeted this after the verdict was handed down.
	You tweeted, the jury, no black and no men, was always suspect.
	Do you feel that this affected the outcome, the makeup of the jury?
	Well, it was a stretch trying to avoid the obvious that there was no...
	You speak of a jury of your peers.
	There was no man on the jury, and Trayvon was a black boy.
	There was no man, no black on the jury, so at least the idea of a jury of peers was a stretch all the while.
	Okay, let me just explain to the Reverend Jesse Jackson.
	It is typically not the person who's dead or the prosecution.
	It is the defendant who gets the jury of peers.
	And no mention, by the way, from this fine MSNBC person that he's insane.
	What, Jesse?
	Yeah, I mean, he's sitting there saying Trayvon Martin did not have...
	He hasn't even seen any of the trial, didn't follow it.
	But John, did you even hear what he said?
	I don't think you heard it.
	What did he say?
	He says that there was no jury of peers for Trayvon.
	Yeah, that's what he said.
	Yeah, but that's not...
	You get a jury of peers...
	Yeah, I know.
	That's the point you're making.
	Yeah, but most people don't even hear this.
	This stupid MSNBC woman didn't even hear it.
	What do you...
	MSNBC! So we had a guy, here's a black lawyer, a very famous civil rights attorney, been around forever, kind of sums it up.
	He's not upset by this in the least.
	His name's John Burris.
	He's in the San Francisco Bay Area.
	And he says, as far as I'm concerned, this summarizes the whole thing.
	Oakland-based civil rights attorney John Burris said he was not surprised by the Zimmerman verdict.
	He spoke to ABC7 News tonight.
	The prosecution put on a witness that said that there was a fight that was taking place.
	It looked like a fight, but Trayvon was on top of Mr.
	Zimmerman.
	The prosecution put that witness on.
	That witness turned out to be a better witness for the defense, and in my own view, ultimately was the linchpin of the defense's case.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	This only leads me to believe that the whole thing was rigged and the prosecution was out to lunch.
	Yeah.
	And I stand...
	Did you hear the latest thing?
	At the very end, they started doing all kinds of crazy things, like they wanted to add some charges, including child abuse.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That was good.
	That was excellent.
	Yeah.
	So a couple things about this, and I really wholeheartedly disagree.
	Well, I disagree that we have seen riots.
	I mean, yeah, there's people protesting and marching, and last night some people burned some stuff.
	But more happens when the basketball team wins.
	That's the point you should have made to begin with.
	It's all right.
	And that isn't even classified as a riot.
	It's just like people celebrating.
	Celebratory actions.
	Turning over a cop car and just torching them.
	No, they didn't even turn over a cop car.
	They painted it during the basketball.
	Oh, right, right, right.
	Yeah, because they've been like, you know, F the police or whatever is what they painted.
	So there were no real riots.
	This is, in my mind, actually a very, very sad day for the United States because we cannot even get...
	The population of the United States of Gitmo Nation who actually have a real reason to riot because they're living in squalor and poverty and racial profiling and all kinds of bull crap that happens in the lower class sections of our society that we don't really talk about, don't really see, certainly don't talk about all the real violence that goes on there on a daily basis.
	And no one really, even they can't bring themselves to get up and get angry about it, so that's it.
	The lower classes have never risen up.
	Can I mention something here before you get carried away with all this pontificating?
	This to me was always a local story.
	The fact that anybody's even lighting a can of trash and I do owe you a dollar in Oakland is ludicrous to me.
	Oakland's got nothing to do with what's going on locally in Florida that we should even care.
	This thing was blown out of proportion by Al Sharpton.
	And Jesse Jackson.
	He helped out.
	Yeah.
	He helped out.
	I did get one clip that I was kind of happy about last night that I thought this was a local story, a local news report in Florida about what the response was to the verdict.
	Tallahassee resident Caleb Ross is on his way to a voting rights rally at the Florida Capitol.
	But he's chosen a different way to rally for Trayvon Martin.
	He's changed his profile picture on the social website Instagram to All Black.
	I feel like it's a good cause.
	I feel like it's very innovative for the youth to do that.
	And I see a lot of my collegiate peers doing the same thing all around the nation.
	Black squares are popping up all over Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.
	Trayvon supporters who are changing their profile pics to black are calling it a blackout.
	It's a good way to rally for Trayvon.
	Some online posts and comments argue that using social media in this case is pointless, and the blackout has no bearing on the trial.
	Wendell McGahee is on the fence about whether to change his picture.
	I don't think it makes a big difference.
	I mean, we're wearing hoodies, we walk around with Skittle wrappers and soda cans.
	This Facebook post says...
	Yeah, because remember, he was just drinking some iced tea and eating some Skittles.
	Oh, soda cans.
	Yeah, soda cans, yeah.
	No, a black picture won't change the verdict.
	Just says a pink ribbon won't cure cancer.
	Exactly!
	It's called support.
	You never know what impact it could possibly have, but...
	This is, and I have to say, I think that's kind of where it started.
	This really, the pre-social networking, we had the red AIDS ribbon.
	And that was kind, I think that must have been the start, John.
	Don't you think we had the red AIDS ribbon?
	No, no, I think the yellow ribbon around the old oak trees where it started during, I think.
	So Tony Orlando is to blame for all this.
	I honestly believe that's true.
	Because the ribbon, that was the first ribbon.
	It was for MIA or something like that.
	It was a yellow ribbon.
	Well, it's when you come home.
	Tie a yellow ribbon.
	And then the little AIDS ribbon became like an iconic ribbon.
	And then it was stuck on it.
	And I think that I would trace it back to Torney Orlando.
	There was a point when I was still in mainstream...
	Douchebaggery and a minor celebrity on the scale.
	You could not go really to any public function, certainly not an awards show, but you kind of couldn't go to anything if you didn't have a red ribbon.
	In fact, there would be people at the door like, oh, oh, Adam, hi, yeah, welcome.
	Here, we've got your ribbon.
	That's right.
	Is this true?
	It's absolutely true.
	So you got called out for not having a bunch of decorations?
	Well, they didn't call me out, but they would pull me aside.
	We've got a ribbon for you here.
	Kind of like when you go to the Princeton Club and you don't have a tie.
	You have to have a tie.
	So they have a piece of crap tie.
	I have done that a couple times, too, in the Princeton.
	They have to wear an orange tie.
	It's really stupid.
	On the Bill Moyers Journal, there's a guy who was interviewed, and this may not be coincidence that this aired this weekend, Marty Kaplan.
	Are you familiar with this guy, Marty Kaplan?
	The name rings a bell, but I don't know.
	He wrote a book, and so they kind of lead in.
	Looking at the riots in Brazil, those are riots, by the way.
	And I might want to point out there's some actual rioting going on in Northern Ireland for the past two days.
	You know, like 30, 40 cops are wounded.
	You know, that's some rioting right there.
	That's real rioting.
	Do you have a little checklist?
	Of what a riot is?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think if cops are down and...
	I think we need to put together the official no-agenda riot, official riot checklist.
	That's a good idea.
	Let me just look at the Book of Knowledge for one second.
	No one has ever done that.
	Let me see.
	Riot, Wikipedia.
	Let's see, we can look there and see what the Wikipedia says.
	Riot is a form of civil disorder characterized often by what is thought of, see already it's slippery slope, as disorganized groups lashing out in sudden and intense rash of violence against authority, property, or people.
	Hmm.
	So I looked at the signage that these Oakland guys are all carrying.
	They're very beautifully printed.
	Obviously, it took, you know, some time before the trial was over.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
	It says that that old group answer, as you track it down, it's that old group answer, A.N.S. You know, these guys used to be in all these demonstrations, and it's actually the World's Workers' Party out of New York.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	So, is that a union?
	The World's Workers' Party?
	No, it's just a straight-up socialist front.
	Oh, okay.
	There's no union that I know of involved with any of these guys.
	And they have offices all over the place, all with different monikers.
	It's just a sleazebag operation of some sort.
	I think you're onto something, though.
	We should have the no agenda riot checklist.
	And I think, certainly, if you have printed signs, it, by definition, cannot be a riot.
	Would you agree?
	Yep, I'll put that on the list.
	Okay, so printed signs, no good.
	It has to be handwritten.
	There are certain levels.
	I think there has to be a percentage of cops have to be wounded.
	Yeah, this is where our checklist goes to pot, because hey, those guys are encouraging, hitting cops.
	Here's Marty Kaplan, and he starts off in response with Bill here.
	Really, what it's about is why the United States is a nation of icon changers.
	Tell me at any moment when you're tired of hearing him.
	It's only a minute or so, but it's pretty much what we've always been saying.
	Kevin, welcome.
	Thanks very much.
	And congratulations on those awards.
	Yes, thank you.
	Thank you.
	Words we will never hear, John.
	Congratulations on all those awards.
	Thank you.
	Confess to outrage envy.
	What's that about?
	It's my feeling that what happened in Brazil, which is so encouraging about citizens taking their destiny in their own hands, is not happening here.
	Wait, hold on a second.
	Is this Liberace talking?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Employment and hunger and crumbling infrastructure and a tax system out of whack and a corrupt political system.
	Why are we not also taking to the streets is the question.
	And I want us to.
	You wrote, if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.
	So are we not paying attention?
	We are paying attention to the wrong things.
	We are paying attention to infotainment, which is being spoon-fed to us.
	And sadly, frankly, we are enabling because we love the stuff.
	The infotainment narrative of life in America, you call it.
	Yes, the tragedy of journalism now is that it is demand driven and when you ask people what they want, we're like one of those rats that have a lever to push and cocaine comes out and once that happens one time...
	By the way, where is that lever?
	It's coming.
	I'll sign up.
	It's coming.
	It's a vending machine.
	Can it be a part of my Google Glass where I just press it and cocaine comes out?
	That sounds like the next add-on.
	Yeah, Google Glass.
	You just tilt your eyes up like that and the Coke comes out while you're watching Honey Boo Boo.
	I could go for that.
	So it's actually very entertaining to watch.
	Unfortunately, you're about halfway into it, and then he goes into, you know, the president talked about climate change, and no one was outraged.
	I'm like, okay, really?
	I love the way these guys always...
	They always do it.
	But this does bring some, because he goes into journalism, this does bring some very interesting topics to the forefront.
	And something that happened in the midst of all this hullabaloo is, well, there was a little report that came out that I don't think got a lot of attention, if any at all.
	And the announcement, I didn't even know it myself until I had my daily viewing of Spokeshole Carney, because this is the stuff we do.
	You know, we watch this stuff.
	We watch the press briefings and...
	Hey.
	What?
	I got another video running on my Skype.
	Oh, no.
	What is it this time?
	Audience.tv.
	Why don't you sign up for...
	Advertisement.
	Why don't you sign up for Skype calling?
	What is that going to do me?
	Is that going to eliminate this crap?
	Yes.
	I think if you sign up for a Skype calling plan, when you just put like five bucks on it, they eliminate...
	Someone sent me a link about this.
	This is getting on my nerves.
	Well, hello, you took the free shiny trinket.
	You've got to take the paint.
	All right, all right.
	Go on.
	So you've been watching Carney.
	Yeah, here he is.
	Which is a thrill.
	Yeah.
	The president's discussion today with the attorney general.
	Has he accepted Eric Holder's report on media relations and investigations?
	The president did meet with the attorney general today in the Oval.
	By the way, how does that sound?
	He met with him in the Oval.
	In the Oval?
	In the Oval.
	Who is it?
	That show up is a way to say it.
	First time I've heard it.
	In the Oval.
	He's in the Oval, man.
	He's in the Oval.
	Sounds like something that the cage match wrestlers would have.
	They're going to be in the Oval tonight.
	Oakland Coliseum, 9 p.m.
	Eric Holder, Barack Obama, in the Oval tonight.
	I need a little...
	Eric Holder, Barack Obama, in the Oval tonight.
	Yeah, that'll work.
	I immediately thought it was more like an anal thing.
	I don't know.
	I was like, yeah, he was in the Oval.
	Like, ooh!
	Okay.
	What do you think?
	Yeah, that's what I think.
	Here's the rest.
	And the Attorney General did discuss with him and present to him that report.
	I believe the Department of Justice will be releasing that report this afternoon, but I refer you to them.
	So if they're releasing it this afternoon, that indicates that the President did accept it as it was presented?
	Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment to make.
	We won't have any statement or comment on it before it's released, but I believe the Department of Justice is releasing it today.
	Okay.
	Did you hear anything about this report, John?
	No, I don't know what he's talking about, and I don't know what you're talking about.
	That's how obscure it is.
	Okay.
	First, let me tell you that the Skype commercials is new, and I'll put a link in the show notes.
	Thank you very much, chat room, that shows how you're going to now be inundated with loud ads.
	In fact, they are called loud Skype ads.
	Okay.
	The report that came out was the self-induced report about the spying on the media.
	That the Attorney General promised he would investigate himself.
	You'll recall this.
	Vaguely.
	Okay.
	Anyway, it's a very important report.
	It was discussed in the Oval, as you just heard.
	It is the Department of Justice Report on Review of News Media Policies.
	In other words, how we deal with the news media when it comes to investigating them.
	I think we do need to, before we go any further, we need to, one more time, I should have this plastered on the wall.
	In fact, I need to get one of those Eric things.
	One more time, I'd like to just recite the very short line that is the First Amendment of the United States Constitution is very important in this case, just so you understand.
	Congress shall make no law, no law, I repeat, no law, respecting...
	An establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.
	So I will abbreviate, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or no law abridging the freedom of speech or of the press.
	No law.
	And now let's take a look at Eric Holder's document, which was discussed in the Oval, and as you just heard, the President approves it.
	In May 2013, at the President's direction, the Attorney General initiated a comprehensive evaluation of the Department of Justice's policies and practices governing the use of law enforcement tools, including subpoenas, court orders, and search warrants to obtain information or records from or concerning members of the news media.
	I think this is important, John, because guess what?
	We're probably not members of the news media.
	in criminal and civil investigations.
	As part of this process, the Attorney General convened a series of meetings to solicit input from a wide range of news media stakeholders.
	Were you invited?
	Not a stakeholder.
	First Amendment academics also holding a pork chop at the time and advocates as well as members of Congress.
	Based on this review, the attorney general is making significant revisions to the department's policies regarding investigations that involve members of the news media.
	Well, that is just a preamble.
	The department views the use of tools to seek evidence from or involving the news media as an extraordinary measure.
	The department's policy is to utilize such tools only as a last resort after all reasonable, alternative investigative steps have been taken and when the information sought is essential to a successful investigation or prosecution.
	Gee, that sounds pretty much...
	Prosecution?
	Yes, that's literally what it says.
	Prosecution of what?
	Period.
	Of a media member?
	Yes.
	Like that poor guy from Fox?
	This is what it's all about.
	So they just want to go after the media.
	No, no, no.
	This has a very specific goal in mind, which is coming up in seconds.
	The changes in policy outlined in this report are intended to further ensure the department strikes the appropriate balance between two vital interests, protecting the American people by pursuing those who violate their oaths through unlawful disclosures of information, Let me just read that again.
	American people by pursuing those who violate their oaths through unlawful disclosures of information.
	Wow.
	And safeguarding the essential role of a free press in fostering government accountability and an open society.
	Right.
	In addition, I'm skipping through the self-contradictory.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm skipping through the through the report here.
	Here we go.
	In addition, as the president attorney general have long stated, the administration will continue support efforts within Congress to pass a media shield law.
	which would codify...
	Or codify, whichever you prefer.
	Codify.
	Codify.
	Many of the principles that inform the policy guidance described in this report.
	So the way I read that is, what we're really going for here, and what this has always been about, and what I believe the whole, even the snow job is about, is to instate a law, which would be unconstitutional by definition, a media shield law, and this is the blueprint for that, John.
	Because, of course, it was discussed in the Oval, and everyone's all in on it.
	So here the President and the Attorney General restate in this document that Congress needs to pass a media shield law which would codify all of the principles described in this report.
	So I'll just highlight a few.
	Reversing the existing presumption regarding advance notice.
	Now, I could read this whole thing, but I'm just going to summarize it for you.
	The Attorney General says, well, you know what we're going to do?
	We're going to notify you if we're going to be snooping on your shit.
	However, there are, of course, certain specific cases like, well, gee, what could that be?
	Uh...
	Well, since we've talked about this for weeks on end, national security will be at the top of the list.
	I'll read it to you.
	So they can delay this notification for 45 days or up to 90 days, which is probably long enough to get all of your emails and everything else you need.
	Yeah, you know, it's not something you get instantly.
	For compelling reasons, advance notice and negotiations would pose a clear and substantial threat to the integrity of the investigation, risk grave harm to national security, or present an imminent risk of death or serious bodily harm.
	In those cases, they do not have to notify the press, and it will go into the 45-day period, which, of course, will be determined by the Attorney General.
	Now here's the beauty part.
	Under the new policy, the presumption of advance notice will be overcome only if the Attorney General affirmatively determines taking into account recommendations from the newly established News Media Review Committee.
	Yeah!
	Who should be on the News Media Review Committee?
	Let's see.
	Establishment of the News Media Review Committee.
	It will include senior department officials, including but not limited to department's director of the Office of Public Affairs and the department's chief privacy and chief civil liberties officer.
	That's it.
	That's your media review committee.
	It doesn't include any actual members of the media.
	Yeah, that's pretty pathetic.
	That's a good catch.
	Yeah, I'll just finalize here.
	We'll keep an eye on that.
	Well, they will establish a media dialogue group.
	What does that mean?
	Well, the department will establish an attorney general's news media dialogue group to assess the impact of the department's revised news media policies and to maintain a dialogue with the news media.
	This group will meet six months after the proposed revisions to the department's news media policies are effective and on an annual basis thereafter.
	The group will meet to discuss any policy issues relating to the application of the department's news media policies.
	The group will include members of the news media, attorneys from various department components, and the director of the department's Office of Public Affairs.
	So let's look at this in a more realistic light.
	They've already got the news media in their pocket.
	Yeah.
	And that's not good enough?
	No.
	They got it set up right now so it looks kind of legit.
	And the whole thing is kind of peopled with all these Obama bots, let's put it that way.
	But that's not good enough.
	No.
	Because there may be one lone wolf out there.
	Mm-hmm.
	That might actually write something meaningful.
	Just might say something meaningful.
	Let's say, you know, whoever.
	I'm not even going to put Glenn Greenwald in that.
	No, you're not allowed to.
	And by the way, I think, and we just have to discuss this before the show is over.
	We might as well discuss it now, talking about idiots in the news media.
	Of course, this was a...
	I don't know if this was an international story, but it was a good...
	Distraction of the Week, which we really haven't seen a good one for a while, and I thought this was a gem, which was the reading of the bogus names of the pilots, which...
	Wait, before you get into that, can I just finish off your Greenwald thought there for a moment?
	Well, I've got some Greenwald clips, too.
	You can finish it off then or now.
	It'll just take me a moment.
	Because you were talking about the news media and how they've already got them in their pocket.
	So when I was berating the Freedom of the Press Foundation on Thursday, so one of our producers helpfully tweeted Trevor Tim with double M. Right, that's the one that didn't have the Wikipedia entry.
	Right, he has no Wikipedia entry.
	And he said, yo, Adam Curry calling you guys out of shills.
	And he responded, and he's like, okay, great.
	Trevor Tim did?
	Yes, Trevor Tim.
	So I look into Trevor Tim.
	And not only has he written articles encouraging the creation of a media shield law, which is insane for any journalist to even consider, he actually co-wrote the book on the First Amendment.
	This is how insane this is.
	So he is an activist at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, specializes in surveillance, free speech, apparently not, and government transparency issues.
	And then he says he worked for the former president of the ACLU and at the New Yorker, graduated from Northeastern.
	He's a lawyer.
	Yeah, but here it is.
	He helped the long-time general counsel of the New York Times, James Goodale, write a book on the First Amendment, which literally says, Congress shall create no law.
	And this guy is advocating, if you look down below on that page, I think that's where you are, you'll see that he is advocating a media shield law.
	So this Freedom of the Press Foundation, like internet freedom, they don't want this, they want exactly the opposite.
	Well, that's the way you do it.
	Right, but it has to be said.
	Well, somebody's got to say it.
	You just did.
	And you know what?
	It's not going to mean a damn thing.
	No, that's what you say.
	I have influence.
	Well, you do, actually.
	So let's talk about the idiots in the media who see a teleprompter.
	I got a couple of questions about this, and let's face it, this is a distraction of the week.
	I'd like to hear the theme.
	Oh, yeah, absolutely.
	Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	Now, I would assume the international audience...
	I would assume the international audience knows little of this, but I suppose it got out a little bit.
	I think it got pretty viral.
	Let's play pilots.
	This is the KTVU woman who seems like a pleasant enough person reading from the prompter.
	She looks like a soccer mom.
	She's a total soccer mom reading the prompter on weekends.
	That's who this is.
	And just to preface it, there's also a chyron.
	So the chyron guy wrote this up.
	So he wrote it up.
	So there's a number of people involved here.
	And then the part I want to discuss is how people started blaming each other.
	And the latest...
	Well, let's play it.
	Let's play it.
	So for people who have not heard it, and I'm pretty sure just about everyone who listens to this show has heard it, but you'd be surprised.
	You'd be surprised.
	And I'm glad you have the clip because it's important just for historical reasons that we have it documented.
	And by the way, best clip...
	I mean, if it wasn't already out there, it would have been clip of the day for either of us.
	I love this.
	I peed my pants.
	...cause of death and whether she was already dead when the truck hit her.
	We have new information now also on the plane crash.
	KTVU has just learned the names of the four pilots who were on board the flight.
	They are Captain Sum Ting Wong, Wee Too Low, Ho Lee Fook, And Bang Ding Owl.
	The NTSB has confirmed these are the names of the pilots on board Flight 214 when it crashed.
	We are working to determine exactly what roles each of them played during the landing.
	And I'm amazed by this.
	I saw this and I'm like, this is...
	This is so good.
	And the thing that disappointed me is the media, everyone is laughing with this.
	It's funny.
	It's hilarious.
	I love humor in sight of a disaster.
	It lightens the mood.
	When someone's dying, I'm the guy with the jokes.
	Like, hey, how's that cancer treating you?
	I've never noticed this, but go on.
	Yeah, right.
	You've never noticed this?
	Well, go on with your thesis, what have you got to say?
	Okay, and so then you, you know, when people...
	Now, by the way, before you do that, you're the aeronautic guy.
	Yes.
	I thought 77 had, like, a two-man crew.
	Yeah, but it had two crews on board.
	Okay.
	Sure?
	Yes.
	Yeah, I'm quite sure.
	So it had four pilots, four airmen, four drivers.
	And when have we ever heard a report about anything ever in the history of all these reports that we talk about?
	And we've done it for years.
	They ever mention a pilot's name.
	Why would they do it now?
	I don't know.
	The NTSB is taking the blame for it.
	They're saying...
	No, no, no.
	That's changed.
	No.
	When did this change?
	It's changed like just recently.
	There's a blog post on the SF gate where apparently...
	Here's the way the story goes.
	First, it was like, oh God, what happened?
	It was our screw up.
	And they said, because the NTSB doesn't give out names.
	And so then they found an intern, which is just to me is the funniest part of the story.
	Some guy, unpaid intern.
	And by the way, if I was an intern and I could pull this off...
	I'd do it.
	I'm gold for the rest of my life.
	John, I'm looking at the NTSB website with a press release.
	Right.
	I know that.
	I'm telling you.
	Let me finish.
	That's what's out there officially.
	But now it turns out there's another round of this, and the NTSB is now denying it.
	It has not been put on their website yet, but it's been discussed in a Phil Matera blog post saying that, no...
	It's turning into a cover-up thing.
	You watch how this devolves and people start pointing the finger at each other.
	I think it makes more sense that some joker...
	Here's the way it would go, but there's some aspects that still don't make sense because nobody cares about the pilots.
	So somebody calls the NTSB and they're at lunch because we're at West Coast time.
	Who knows?
	Some intern picks up the phone.
	Hey, Bill, pick up the phone!
	Picks up the phone.
	Yeah, hello, Bill Meeker.
	Do you guys have the name of the pilot you can give us?
	No, let me get back to you.
	I'll call you back.
	Give me your number.
	And they hang up.
	This is my scenario.
	And then the guy gets together with his buddies, and they dream up, because you can't ad-lib these names that quickly.
	No, no, no.
	This is well done.
	This is well done.
	This is like Bendover and Mike Hunt.
	Yeah, Seymour Butts.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So the guys get together, a group of these jokers that are getting paid nothing, and they've got nothing better to do.
	And so they say, I'm going to call him back.
	Call him back.
	Do you think I should?
	I'm going to get in trouble.
	Just do it.
	And so they call him back, and they give him these bogus names that they eat up.
	Which is really the disturbing part about this, no matter who's at fault.
	The fact that someone would pick this call up, write these names down, give it to the Chiron guy, give it to the writer doing the prompter material, and have the person read this straight-faced is amazing.
	But that said, at KTVU, I will tell you that we had a guy at Ziff Davis or Tech TV, Steve Porter, who worked at KTVU.
	And he says that Dennis Richman, who was the longtime anchor at KTVU, once blew his stack because on the prompter, there was a line left out at the end of one of the newscasts, and Richman apparently just went nuts because they didn't have this line to read.
	And the line was...
	Good night, I'm Dennis Richmond.
	Okay.
	And it was left off the reed.
	Right, right.
	Heads will roll.
	So this place is a bunch of readers.
	And...
	Anyway, I still think it's, from what I can tell, it's still up in the air how this actually happened.
	Well, I think it's fantastic media hacking.
	I love it.
	I find it, really, I find it deplorable that the media is, the news media in general is saying, these are racial slurs.
	No, they're not.
	It's not racial slurs.
	They're saying, oh, this is a racial joke.
	It's not a racial joke.
	Why can't anyone just say, damn, that was funny.
	This is the cultural Marxism that we have devolved into, is that we can't even admit that everyone laughed or everyone, every single person watches it.
	The friggin' Chiners are looking at this.
	The Koreans, they're going, pfft.
	That was funny.
	You know, I was looking at the comments on one of the places that posted it early, and there was a Korean guy who chimed in, and he said something interesting, because I've noticed this too.
	He says, most Koreans would think this is funny.
	Yeah.
	But wait, he says, but I'm a Korean and I don't.
	I think it's racist.
	Oh, screw you.
	Why is it racist to make fun of someone's accent?
	Why is that racist?
	Why is that now all of a sudden racist?
	Why don't you ask around us?
	Have somebody tell you.
	I don't particularly know why.
	When I do, like I have this Indian accent I like to do.
	Race, racist.
	My argument is that is the number one way people speak English.
	If you look at the straight up numbers and you take a British accent, an Australian accent, American accent, these are all accents.
	No roughing!
	Indian accent?
	The Indian accent has the most.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	There's more people that speak in that tone, that kind of funny way the Indians talk.
	And how's that racist?
	You're celebrating that style speech.
	We are celebrating diversity.
	We're celebrating diversity.
	I may want to speak that way in the future.
	Yeah, check this out.
	Don't laugh.
	Don't laugh.
	Why are you laughing?
	Shut up.
	Shut up.
	That's funny.
	It's funny!
	That's the Japanese cultural management.
	It's not funny to everyone.
	Well, no.
	Jokes are...
	If a joke is funny to everyone, I think it's probably not even a joke anymore.
	A joke doesn't, by definition, a joke have to put someone or something down?
	Isn't that kind of how they work?
	No humor!
	I'm dismayed by that.
	I'm dismayed that we can't have funny humor.
	Are you just dismayed or are you shocked and dismayed?
	No, I'm not shocked and dismayed.
	I'm just a little dismayed.
	I can see you being dismayed.
	However, If the idea was to get more airtime for NTSB chairwoman Deborah Hirschman, I'm all for it.
	I love this woman.
	Is she hot or what?
	By the way, she is more telegenic than she is photogenic.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah, true.
	I looked her up.
	No, I agree.
	But then I saw her on TV. Oh, yeah, she's pretty nice looking.
	No, she needs lighting and makeup for still photography, but on television, she's dynamite.
	You look at her and you're just like, yeah, man, I crashed that plane.
	Whatever you say goes.
	I crashed the plane.
	It's my fault.
	Well, just blame me as long as I can hang out with you more.
	By the way, I want to play one more clip because I think the clip that should have gotten more play is the clip which was on the tarmac, somebody on their cell phone.
	I guess they were in the wreck or whatever, but this got no play at all.
	It's the no ambulances clip.
	Play this.
	Trying to help people who had been ejected from the plane during the crash.
	We just got in a plane crash, and there are a bunch of people who still need help, and there's not enough medics out here that need help.
	There is a woman out here on the street, on the runway, who is pretty much burned very severely on the head, and we don't know what to do.
	No ambulance is on site for this plane crash.
	Lots of fire engines in the distance.
	Not one ambulance out here on the tarmac.
	Okay, ma'am.
	I heard this.
	By the way, they did bring an ambulance and it ran over the woman.
	What are you complaining about?
	Oops, sorry.
	I don't think that was that woman.
	I think they ran over a different woman.
	Well, they ran over to somebody.
	Well, but what are you saying?
	Like, there's not enough ambulances?
	Of course there's not enough ambulances.
	You can't...
	You're going to have a...
	But you'd think an airport that has all these fire trucks...
	No.
	First of all...
	You'd think that if they...
	Yeah, I know.
	Where are you going to get the...
	I mean, there'd be mostly guys sitting around because there's plane accidents happen, what?
	Once every few years at any one airport.
	Fire departments, if you call the ambulance in most places, the fire department's going to show up.
	It's not the hospital.
	Because your true 911, the true heroes who really come for no money and just come to help you, that's the fire department.
	And they've got like our buddy Bad Chad out there in Colorado.
	These are the guys who are doing the real work.
	If you want the ambulance, yeah, well, you better have your credit card ready.
	What, the hospital's going to dispatch an ambulance?
	No.
	No, it's EMS. It's emergency medical services, but it's really fire department.
	Yeah, it costs you a couple grand.
	Yeah, but so every airport has fire services, but their primary job is to take care of an emergency, but you just can't have like 100 ambulances running around.
	And who was this woman, by the way?
	That was unclear to me.
	Is she sitting in a plane calling 911?
	I mean, where was she?
	And she's talked about the street or the runway.
	I think she probably was one of the people that slid out.
	Of the thing, and she had her phone on her, and she called 911.
	It could be bullcrap.
	The whole thing could be nonsense.
	It could be.
	But for me, it's like, if I see someone with their head on fire, and I'm going, hey man, this is an outrage.
	I'm hearing the plane crash, and I need more ambulances.
	Where are my services?
	I need my services for my government is not servicing me.
	I'd be like, I'd be running over to this lady to see what I can do.
	Well, I'm sure she maybe did that.
	We don't know.
	No, we don't.
	But what can we conclude from this whole episode of stupidity?
	I hope you have some conclusion, because I don't.
	Other than it's just stupidity.
	And I thought it was hilarious.
	I thought it was hilarious, too.
	In fact, the first time I saw it.
	But the thing that still gets me is that it went through so many...
	This is my conclusion, is that we've become so...
	We're so disconnected, especially the broadcast media and the newspaper people for that matter.
	So disconnected that we can't report, we can't just actually see reality.
	I mean, this was the most obvious joke.
	Let's play the clip one more time and tell me if you could actually, with a straight face, read this copy.
	No, I can't play this again.
	Come on!
	Really?
	Yeah, don't you think it's funny?
	Enough to play again?
	No.
	One more time then.
	The cause of death and whether she was already dead when the truck hit her.
	We have new information now also on the plane crash.
	KTVU has just learned the names of the four pilots who were on board the flight.
	They are Captain Sum Ting Wong, Wee Too Low, Ho Lee Fook, and Bang Ding Au.
	More people...
	The Chiron guy must have known.
	The Chiron guy, you know, or gal.
	They must have known.
	You look at us like, all right.
	Whatever.
	They told me to write it on here.
	I'll do it.
	I mean, if I was the newsreader, I would be so steamed.
	No, rapping!
	No, she's happy she has the part-time gig on the weekends because, you know, she's shuttling around soccer boys all day.
	You know, it's just exactly what she looks like.
	I've seen her every so often.
	And I think she's only on the weekends.
	I'm pretty sure.
	I'm pretty sure.
	So, Adam...
	Yes.
	Big news today, before we get to our producer segment, we've got to mention this.
	Okay.
	In the United States, July 14th, which I believe is today.
	Yes.
	It's been branded National Macaroni and Cheese Day.
	No!
	According to the Wikipedia.
	What?
	No.
	Go to Macaroni and Cheese.
	Oh, this is no good.
	If I had known this, then I would have put together a whole celebratory clip.
	You slaves can get used to mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	Cheese macaroni and cheap cheddar melted together.
	Mac and cheese.
	By Ayn Rand.
	Wow, what a day.
	Now, this was documented, supposedly.
	We could have done a whole special...
	I really wonder if somebody slipped this into the Wikipedia just for our benefit.
	And by the way, Dvorak's law, not allowed in the Wikipedia.
	Mac and cheese day, no problem.
	Rock on, boys.
	Yeah, nothing wrong with that.
	And supposedly the Wisconsin Cheese Talk page is referenced about this, but I see nothing on this page.
	And how are the French with this?
	I mean, the French, of course, celebrate the Bastille Day today.
	Hello, French listeners who never donate.
	Yeah, and they never listened.
	That's okay.
	Now they're out.
	They're done.
	They gave up.
	They won't be back until, what, August, September 1st?
	They're on vacation.
	Yeah, they take a nice 90-day, or what, yeah, 45-day vacation.
	It's not bad.
	Okay, so what's the history on this Mac and Cheese Day?
	It's the Wisconsincheesetalk.com.
	I'm not seeing it.
	Wisconsin, hmm, cheese industry anybody?
	Here it is.
	Blatant PR move.
	Here it is.
	National Macaroni and Cheese Day is a little link on the tags.
	And it says nothing.
	This is bull.
	But I thought it was worth mentioning.
	It's sad is what it is.
	It is.
	Yes.
	In the morning, John C. Dvorak.
	In the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	In the morning to all the ships and sea boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	Yes, and to our human resources in the chat room there, noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net.
	To our artists, thank you very much for your undying support, noagendaartgenerator.com, TJ Skirata, or Sierata, Who I believe is a new artist to be used in the artwork.
	Thank you very much for episode 529-er.
	And as always, looking forward to what will happen today with episode 530 as we choose it after the show.
	It's always funny to see the art that artists are trying to get in on time.
	Because, of course, making art is not like, oh, the show's over, let me whip something up in three seconds.
	That's what they do.
	Yeah, well, the best ones typically are that, but a lot of times you'll see people trying to anticipate what our topics will be.
	Yeah, and you know, we can generalize about that.
	They're mostly wrong.
	Pretty much.
	But it's kind of interesting to look at it because when we look at these, oh yeah, I guess a lesser show would have discussed it.
	A mainstream media item.
	Yeah, like Barack Obama eating broccoli.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's what we're all about.
	Well, I think we did pretty well.
	This is the first time we talked about the Zimmerman trial, and we only really talked about it in the context of the apathy of the slaves of America.
	And I'm not talking about black people.
	I'm talking about all people before you get nailed for that.
	Well, I think people should be up in arms about being spied on 24-7.
	No, no.
	No.
	Let's do our executive producers.
	We do have some executive producers to thank for this show.
	5.30, including an incredible two members of the 5.30 Club.
	This has not happened in months.
	Months?
	Months.
	I think years.
	Well, months for sure.
	Perhaps a year.
	The Black Baron of Silicon Valley came in with $530.33.
	Wow.
	And he says, in the morning, Adam and John, keep up with the good work, because this is one of the best ways to get news and not the agenda.
	And this is so nice, the Black Baron of Silicon Valley, because he's been donating nice amounts for weeks now.
	Yeah, he's definitely on a roll.
	Yeah, thank you.
	Thank you so much.
	Thank you.
	Sundays are always tough, and this really helps.
	And then Edward Jacobs came in with $530 from Providence, Rhode Island.
	Good old Providence, remember them?
	This is where my mom is from.
	From the Sopranos.
	They weren't from Providence.
	No, no, but they'd go there to get the really talented hitmen.
	My mom grew up in Providence.
	My great-grandfather played for Pawtucket.
	Ooh!
	Yeah.
	He's actually my great-grandfather.
	The Pawtucket Roosters?
	I don't know if they're called the Roosters, but he was a pitcher, and he had a no-hit, no-run game, and he had the last, so it was, you know, what is it?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	You could have a no-hitter with a run.
	That's true.
	You could walk him.
	You could walk him, yeah.
	But isn't that what it's called, no-hit, no-run?
	No, they're just called no-hitters.
	Okay, so I had no-hitter.
	But also, no one on base.
	So no one had gotten on base at all, period.
	Oh, that's a perfect game.
	That's a lot different.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, so nothing had happened.
	So he had a perfect game.
	In other words, he had 27 straight outs.
	Yes, but the very last ball, so it's like...
	He didn't have it.
	No, I'm getting to the story.
	I'm waiting.
	So what is it?
	It's bottom of the ninth.
	Bottom of the ninth.
	Bottom of the ninth.
	No one's on base.
	He's got two strikes, three balls.
	Right?
	Three and two counting.
	Three and two.
	Yeah.
	He throws an egg.
	Like a...
	And the batter, true American, just stood there.
	Didn't swing.
	To give my great-grandfather the true record.
	Oh, so he threw just a pitch down the gut.
	Total, like, girly pitch.
	He completely choked, and the guy just went, no, I'm not going to hit it.
	I'm letting you have it.
	Oh, that's sweet.
	Isn't that a nice story?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, gompy.
	Well, I hope he kept the ball.
	So, Edward Jacobs, love your show.
	I've listened to, in fact, if you bring this up, because our local favorite pitcher around here, Tim Lincecum, just had a no-hitter, a regular one, yesterday, last night.
	It's a big deal.
	It's cool.
	No, it's a big deal, so nobody hits the ball.
	Love your show.
	I've listened to, and he only walked too, so he was only two walks away from a perfect game himself, and he threw 140 pitches.
	I've listened to No Agenda from Move, Mature, into the best podcast in the universe since 2009.
	Apparently, we're not the best podcast in the universe.
	And what does Mature mean?
	It means we've gotten old.
	Yeah, alright.
	Got it.
	Thanks.
	I would like to say thanks to Tony Cruz for turning me on to the show.
	Last time I donated...
	By the way, everyone has somebody who turned him on to the show.
	Last time I donated, Adam thought I was a drunk cripple, thinking my rehab was for drinking.
	What's your problem?
	But it was actually for both hips replacement, you douche.
	No, he didn't use the douche thing, but that's what I'm thinking.
	I've since fully recovered and was released to return to work in early May only to find out there was a resource action, aka layoffs, and no job to return to.
	Oh, jeez.
	Well, the company paid me to leave, so I'm sharing a percentage with you guys, $530.
	Does he need job karma or something?
	He needs job karma and a little girl yay.
	Okay, wow.
	Hey, man, I'm sorry.
	I didn't...
	Cripple.
	Be quiet.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Yeah!
	You've got karma.
	Yay!
	There you go.
	And then we have Andrew Largeman, who's the name he goes by, in Taipei City, $333.33.
	And we do have a note from him, and I opened it up in the email and left it on the other computer.
	I got it.
	I got it here.
	I got it here.
	Okay.
	In the morning, John and Adam, here's the second installment on my knighthood.
	The goal is to earn my knighthood while I'm at age 33.
	Yes.
	Very good goal.
	I turn 34 in September, so I'm just a couple of months away.
	The show continues to be an outstanding product, and the entertainment value you provide is second to none.
	I am constantly attracting sideways glances by bursting into laughter on the subway train or singing along to the jingles in the elevator.
	Seeing that I am from Taiwan and a native speaker of Mandarin, please give me a Huntsman Zai...
	Zai Shang Wu?
	Combo.
	Oh, yeah.
	Huntsman and Zai Shang-Wu combo.
	Thank you.
	Bon voyage to Adam and Mickey.
	Oh, that's for our upcoming trip.
	Well, absolutely.
	Here you go.
	Zai Shang-Wu!
	I wonder if he sings along to the jingles as a Mandarin as well.
	Raving Ramakanchi Life!
	You're just asking for it.
	I am.
	I'm really trying.
	Sir Sizzalot in Toronto, Canada, $250.
	ITM, bitches.
	I was listening while in the garden checking for Monsanto contaminated roses when you confirm there will be no shows for a week.
	Well, that's not true.
	We're going to run shows.
	Yeah, it just won't be live, recorded, actual shows.
	It will be fresh material.
	Right?
	I think.
	Right?
	I don't know.
	I was thinking to rerunning one of the 200.5 shows.
	Not that one again.
	Well, currently we're thinking it's going to be a freshman.
	Hold on a second.
	I got an idea.
	I already have some interviews in the can.
	Well, we have that, but we also...
	We could ask our producers to put together a compilation that could be...
	I find...
	You know how this is going to work, right?
	No, what do you mean?
	It's not going to work?
	You're not going to do nothing.
	Well, it would be great because we have NoAgendaCD.com and the guy's doing it.
	His boss is actually paying him to do this.
	Maybe we can do two No Agenda CDs because they're good compilations of stuff and it's short little bits and it's funny.
	It's funny stuff sometimes.
	Anyway, yeah, you're right.
	No one will do anything.
	Onward.
	Uh, I will be somewhere, Sid, and while I will be somewhere sunny during that time, I started to have a heart palpitation.
	Indeed, I may have suffered a mild stroke.
	If I need a no agenda fixed that badly, then you need my value for value, which is $250.
	Soon to be Baronet the Sismark, Sir Sizzalot, a sexy growl science karma, please.
	What is...
	Is that Dr.
	Kiki?
	Is that what he means by sexy growl science?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, okay.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Shut up already!
	Science!
	Science!
	Arr, arr, science.
	And a karma, of course.
	Oh, of course.
	I'm so sorry.
	What am I thinking?
	You've got karma.
	How am I sounding, by the way, on the box today?
	We did some more hacking on it.
	Actually, you sound a little...
	You're not as boomy.
	You actually sound better because it's a much more...
	It's funny you say that because that's what everyone is saying.
	They say it sounds more natural.
	Right.
	But do I still sound like I have big balls?
	Okay.
	I want to come up with the right analysis.
	I know what you're saying, but the big balls, most of them you were getting from the, you weren't getting natural big balls.
	You were getting the balls from the over-compression.
	Yes, correct.
	It's like you had your balls in a vice.
	I think it's a better sound because I think it's cleaner.
	Wow, that's great.
	Thank you.
	Okay, good.
	Nice, nice.
	Chris Taylor in Raleigh, North Carolina.
	250.
	Chris Taylor from Raleigh NC donating to help Promate.
	Promate.
	Promate!
	Promote the best podcast in the universe.
	Keep up the good work and one slave at a time we'll win this fight.
	There's a fight?
	I don't know.
	What are we fighting for?
	I don't know.
	What are we fighting for?
	For Don Lemon.
	I'm fighting for him.
	Good for you.
	Peter McConnell in Suzhou, China.
	Oh, shit!
	What was that?
	Oh, Jesus Christ.
	Oh, great.
	You gesticulated and all of a sudden all the gear went flying.
	Well, let me just read away because I'll assume this is still being recorded.
	Peter McConnell, $202.20 in Suzhou, China.
	Or China, as he puts it.
	Greetings from Suzhou.
	Oh, shit, John.
	Hold on a second.
	Do you have to stop the recording?
	Alright, and we're back.
	And I actually ran upstairs to get the soldering iron.
	I might as well do this right.
	But I also have a little clip wire, so I'm able to...
	I got the clip wires on it.
	So it should be okay until the rest of the show.
	Wow!
	Don't do that in Holland.
	No, but let's just retrace the steps.
	I was saying how great this is, and then two seconds later, it literally jumps off the table onto the floor and shatters.
	What is that saying?
	It's saying that you didn't do the Sanco de Mayo.
	Thank you.
	I told you.
	Sanco de Mayo.
	Sure.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Where were we?
	So, in other words, what you did, here's how superstition works.
	Since you didn't get the Sanco de Mayo in, you had been subconsciously scheming to sabotage the show.
	No.
	To prove your point.
	And I specifically wanted to really hurt the thing I've been working on that I cherish the most.
	Yeah.
	That is fragile.
	This is like, this is the same thing, this is the way everyone does this, by the way, and I'll point this out.
	It's like, you signed yourself up for something, you don't want to go to it.
	And then somehow you lose your keys.
	You can't find them anywhere.
	And then you find them.
	They're on a shelf in the kitchen cupboard because you put them there thinking, oh, I'll remember.
	I'll put them next to the peanut butter because I'll remember where my keys are.
	Who else?
	That's easy to remember.
	And then you never find them and you miss the meeting.
	You're so right.
	Yeah, that's what you did.
	It's insane.
	Why do we do these things?
	By the way, the chat room right now is very funny.
	That's unusual.
	Yeah, I know.
	They're very funny about the ultimate podcast device being able to survive an Asiana landing at SFO. Yeah, I like that.
	All right.
	So where have we done Chris Taylor?
	And by the way, the one guy who it turns out, you know the intern's name?
	It turns out the joke was he was Chinese.
	No.
	Yeah, some young guy.
	You should have gotten to it quicker.
	Just hammer it in right there.
	I forgot all about it.
	It's a joke I worked on last night.
	Peter McDonald.
	You should have coordinated it with me so we really could have made it suck.
	Peter McConnell, again, $202.20 in Suzhou, China.
	Greetings from Suzhou, China.
	Hey!
	$88.88 for June, plus $99.99 for July, plus $13.33 for the magic number, 202.2 toward my knighthood.
	2022 is coincidentally also the year when, after five years of worldwide drone warfare, the meta-preppers and hoarders shall inherit the bombed-out, charred remains of the planet and begin constructing a utopian society where ham radio is used as a primary means of communication.
	Yeah!
	Chin up, gentlemen.
	Summer donations may be slow, but you can always look forward to 2022 when your ship finally comes in.
	Also, I haven't been able to determine exactly when to observe this holiday, but National Macaroni and Cheese Day falls either on the 7th or the 14th.
	We've talked about that.
	Better late than never, I say.
	So when can we hear the jingles and observation of this glorious day?
	As always, thanks for the stellar deconstruction.
	The last shows have been outstanding.
	Thank you very much, Peter.
	Thank you very much, Peter.
	And Suzhou is the Venice...
	Of course, there's a million of these places.
	Is it the Paris of China?
	It's the Venice of China, yes.
	It's the Venice of China, okay.
	Yeah, it is.
	Ed LeBoutier.
	LeBoutier.
	LeBoutier.
	In Hesperia, California, $200.
	LeBoutier.
	LeBoutier.
	Here's a little something from beautiful Hesperian Nuts, California.
	Land of the dog-sized squirrel.
	Squirrel!
	Shoot them things.
	Keep up with the great work.
	Pronounce Ed La Booty.
	Booty A. Booty A. Ed La Booty A. Last associate exec for today?
	Yes, he is.
	If I've got to find his note, which obviously moved, there it is.
	Last associate exec for today's show, 5-3-0 is Ben C. Parts Unknown, $200, here's a note.
	And he uses Ben C on the note, so that's what I assume he wants.
	In the morning to you both, I've been listening to No Agenda during my daily commute for a while now, and I finally decided that it's time that I leave my status of a boner behind and make it official with a donation.
	It's not much, but please accept it along with my gratitude for doing such a great job of digesting current events and trying to make sense of the lunacy around us.
	I have indigestion from all that digesting.
	If you guys are still interested in stories of hysteria in the school system, then I have a contribution to add.
	So here we go.
	Oh, nice.
	My mother is a 7th grade teacher in the small Illinois town that I grew up in.
	She was telling me about the bomb scare in the school a couple months ago.
	She said that a fellow teacher came into his classroom in the morning and found a note on his desk.
	After reading it, he called the principal saying he had received a bomb threat.
	The principal called the police, who then instructed the principal to have the teachers examine their rooms and see if they could find anything that looked like a bomb.
	It wasn't until the police arrived sometime later that they moved students to the gym across the street.
	Standard bomb threat procedure, by the way.
	Yes, of course.
	No, no.
	Aren't they supposed to move them into the corner of the room and tell them to cower?
	Just reading the note.
	No bomb was found, and the students were sent home for the day.
	Later, my mom saw the note.
	She said it was a cartoon a fifth grader had drawn showing a Wile E. Coyote-esque bomb blowing up with a stick figure's arms and legs flying everywhere.
	Being a fifth grade boy myself at one time, I was not surprised by all of it.
	What's more, the janitor found it on the floor the night before and without looking at it, casually threw it on the teacher's desk because it was too lazy to throw it in the trash.
	Ha ha ha!
	Neither my mother nor I could believe how stupid the whole situation was.
	That's great.
	Thank you, Ben.
	I think the standard procedure for bomb threats should be sit in the corner and cower, just in case it blows up.
	That's apparently on the East Coast.
	So I want to thank all these executive producers and associate executive producers for Show 530.
	We really appreciate the help, and go to NoAgendaNation.com, NoAgendaShow.com.
	Click on the Donate button or go to Dvorak.org.
	I do have two quick PR mentions I'd like to throw in here.
	One is from our producer in New Mexico, Jeffrey Tuhigg, and he has made up, he sent me one, those bracelets, you know, the rubber band bracelets?
	You know, the kind that you have like the...
	Yeah, yeah, the ones that were popularized by the bicycle guy.
	Yes, Lance the bicycle guy.
	And they're really cool.
	They're gray and it says, don't drung me, bro.
	Oh, cool.
	And has noagendashow.com, and I think he's going to, I'm not quite sure what he's going to do, but he has some scheme.
	Scheme?
	He's like, hey, check these out.
	I have a scheme.
	Let me see.
	Hey, send me one.
	I'll wear it.
	Yeah, of course.
	Now, Mickey actually is, Mickey not only wears it, she puts on water bottles, and here it is.
	We have the first batch of bracelets.
	I would like to see these on some members of Congress.
	Ah, okay.
	Ah!
	Oh, yeah.
	He has a scheme.
	Well, you know, John F. Carey wears all kinds of bracelets.
	He's got all kinds of stuff on his right arm.
	So, you know what?
	Our producers never cease to amaze me.
	So I'm not going to say that that can't happen.
	Then we have a note here from...
	Send one to Al Franken.
	Yeah.
	Michael Johnson, in the morning, Adam, I heard you and John talking about satellites picking up microwave signals given off by towers from space.
	He says it's very...
	Who's this again?
	Michael Johnson.
	You're not going to read this guy's note.
	You haven't seen this guy's note.
	This is not...
	This is...
	You haven't seen this guy's note, so what are you talking about?
	This is a different note than the one that he's...
	You have not...
	This is the same guy that's going to get you the Motorola equipment?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	Go on.
	Am I going to get Motorola equipment?
	No!
	No!
	This is...
	Okay, so talking about the satellites picking up microwave signals given off by...
	That would be horrid of me, John.
	What are you talking about?
	No, no.
	This is a PR segment.
	It's very doable.
	In fact, you as a ham can try a similar experiment communicating with your own spacecraft in space if you back the Pocket Spacecraft Mission to Moon Kickstarter.
	So this guy...
	What's the name of it?
	It's the Pocket Spacecraft Mission to the Moon.
	It's great.
	He's got a Kickstarter.
	Yeah, and he's raising money.
	I think he's going to complete.
	He's not going to complete.
	Yes, he is.
	Yeah, I think he is.
	The idea is they have these little thin wafers, and it's going to go up in a commercial rocket, and the satellite shoots out, and then the wafers are going to poop out.
	And he says that we could actually have a no-agenda space saucer that we could all track then on the web.
	Yeah, I think this is a good idea.
	I like this a lot.
	And so I said, this is without a doubt the most shameless plug of the day.
	Yeah, it's pretty shameless.
	So he needs 290,000 pounds.
	He's a lot of money.
	So that's like lots.
	And he's got 33 so far.
	He's got 236 backers.
	He needs a big money guy.
	Yeah, he needs a big guy.
	Call Alan.
	Call Elon Musk.
	Elon Musk would want to run it up in one of his planes.
	Well, that's fine.
	One of his rockets.
	Yeah, Elon Musk, you know, don't get me started on that guy.
	Anyway, thank you all so very much.
	A reminder that we do this twice a week.
	We'll be here on Thursday once again with a live show.
	Hopefully with live audio.
	That all depends on what happens.
	And to support the program with your kind and generous donations.
	And of course, we always need you to go out there and propagate our formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Oh, no!
	You! Order! Order!
	Shut up, slave!
	Shut up, slave!
	I'm a little, I don't know if I should be upset or not that you actually thought I would, like, do something to get free stuff and promote it on the show.
	ha ha ha Do you really?
	I would never do anything like that.
	Yeah, you would.
	But do you think I would do that?
	That's really...
	I mean, I certainly wouldn't do it just for myself.
	I mean, I'd make sure you'd be on the same game.
	I try to get you stuff all the time.
	Okay, sorry.
	I do.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I know.
	You know how much free stuff I've gotten recently?
	No.
	Nothing.
	Zip.
	I'm blackballed.
	Maybe it's because you take the junkets for car companies and then don't blog about it.
	Maybe...
	By the way, outstanding PC Magazine article.
	Which one?
	The one about you can't trust Microsoft.
	Oh, yeah.
	Hilarious.
	I've built enough to do that one.
	Hilarious.
	And you think...
	What do you think of the thesis?
	Well, there's a couple things, and this is based upon the latest article from Glenn Greenwald, who I have no respect for.
	You're losing respect by the day.
	Yeah, you cannot publish this without publishing the source material.
	I mean, he could be talking out of his ass.
	And if you look at his Twitter feed, which is a little obsession for me now, he's like, what?
	If you don't trust us, you know, that we have the documents, then how could you even trust what we posted?
	Like, what are you, six?
	Okay, we need to talk about this then.
	Six, seven.
	No, I think he's six, and Twitter is the playground of the universe.
	Well, I'm not going to argue that.
	So there's a couple of things.
	I got a couple of clips you might as well play because it still brings up the bowl crap that we've debunked with the actual source material, which is annoying because nobody else seems to care except this show.
	And I'm talking about the fake landing of the Bolivian Don't make me play it again, please.
	No, I'm not going to play that.
	I don't even have it on the clip list, if you notice.
	But let's listen to old Glenn.
	He's on everything.
	He's just on everything.
	And now he sounds like the spokeshole for Snowden.
	Yes.
	So he's like the Snowden, he's like Carney for Snowden.
	And so he's now on this Chris Hayes.
	You ever watch this guy?
	With the glasses?
	Yeah.
	Who's a fast talker.
	He's obviously been trained how to speak by Rachel Maddow, which means talk as fast as you can.
	I think Chris, I think he is Rachel Maddow.
	Doesn't she go back and change and become him?
	I wouldn't be surprised, but except for the fact that Chris Hayes is married, there's no conflict of interest here, but he was married to, or he still is married to this woman who was with the Obama administration as the counsel for Barack himself until last month.
	No.
	Yes.
	No, you say it ain't so.
	So we have Greenwald, the first clip, which has the bogus crap in it, Greenwald on the Rachel Maddow clone show is what I called it.
	...for the Guardian newspaper.
	Glenn broke the Edward Snowden story in the Guardian.
	Glenn, my first question to you is, why do you think after this holding pattern, after these long weeks where we hadn't seen Edward Snowden, why did today happen?
	The reason is because his ability to get to the countries where he's seeking asylum and hopes to receive asylum has been thwarted by the willingness of the United States government physically to block him from being able to get there.
	They revoked his passport, which prevents him from traveling.
	Wrong!
	Yeah.
	Okay, right.
	Let's just stop for one second.
	We have read directly from the State Department's website.
	It does not prevent you from traveling whatsoever.
	The only thing it does is when you re-enter the United States, you'll have a big flag in the computer, which means you'll be taken aside and you will not be permitted the entry into the country as a given.
	That's all.
	You will have your passport taken away.
	Yes, but it explicitly, it says two things.
	Implicitly?
	Explicitly says, one, no one's passport can be revoked if their whereabouts is unknown.
	It specifically says that.
	Yes.
	And two, it says it's not a problem to travel on a revoked passport because not everyone is tied into the American Gestapo.
	So that's wrong, Glenn Greenwald.
	Wrong.
	Hold on.
	Glenn, Glenn.
	Ah!
	Wrong.
	Wrong.
	No, he asked to land with a bull crap excuse that he couldn't read his fuel gauges on the $47 million Falcon.
	The $47 million Falcon jet.
	Oh, and it's funny.
	I was talking to a Russian friend.
	The other day.
	And he left St.
	Petersburg when he was eight.
	And we were just talking and I said, interesting, so did you go to Germany for asylum or Poland?
	He said, no.
	Do you know what the typical route is for most people leaving Russia to get into Europe to ask for asylum?
	Austria.
	That's interesting.
	That's very weird.
	That's odd.
	Right?
	They mistakenly thought how to Edward Snowden on it, and they put pressure on all the countries that could be possible refueling stops in order for him to get there.
	And that's why the ACLU and Amnesty are both warning that what the Obama administration is doing is threatening.
	Hold on a second.
	I dug into this for a second.
	Let me just go back.
	What were the organizations he said?
	Let's just listen again.
	That's why the ACLU and Amnesty are both warning.
	The ACLU, and he says, amnesty.
	Yeah, just amnesty.
	Just amnesty.
	And I want to talk about this bullcrap in a minute.
	...that what the Obama administration is doing is threatening this very well-recognized right of asylum.
	There's simply no way for him to get out at the moment, and that's why he sought the help of these human rights organizations.
	So, one concern I think a lot of people watching this have, and I... What a concern I have!
	I will actually count myself among that.
	As someone who is happy to know the things I know because of Edward Snowden, happy to have the information, think that information is crucial.
	If you're happy and you're Snowden, clap your hands.
	What was he saying?
	And now he talks too fast.
	And now he's going to take the Obama story.
	He has to because he's...
	Yeah, he's MSNBC. His wife works for Obama.
	Information, think that information is crucial.
	And we'll talk about the Microsoft story in a second.
	Is that he has now been...
	It's unclear to me with how much autonomy this man could possibly be acting.
	I mean, we know the nature of Vladimir Putin.
	We know the nature of the Russian state at this moment.
	In fact, any state, if the Russian version of Edward Snowden showed up at the Miami International Airport, the CIA would be there the next day.
	So it doesn't seem ridiculous to me to assume at this point that those 10,000 files that he has with him, that he brought to you to screen with rigor and clarity, are now in the hands, conceivably, of Russian intelligence.
	Wait for this to have gone.
	These people read too many books.
	Let's go over this thing.
	We brought this up on the show.
	I just want to mention again before you go into this other analysis, which is, does anybody honestly believe that the Russians don't have all this stuff already?
	All this information that they've been running, Prism, and all that in the slideshow.
	And by the way, I want to ask you something about this, because they released some more slides.
	No, they didn't.
	Here's the question.
	Who are these slides for?
	Who is supposed to be viewing this slideshow, this PowerPoint show?
	The way I see it, these are partially sales jobs.
	Totally.
	And they're bragging.
	Oh, look what we've got all these guys in our pocket.
	Yeah.
	It seems like a bunch of bragging slides.
	Look what we did.
	Yeah.
	It's like office party slides.
	Yeah.
	We have a Friday drink and we'll talk about our accomplishments before we head off for the weekend.
	Get that guy to do a deck for us.
	A deck.
	A deck.
	Do a deck for it.
	And I do want to point out that The Guardian, by their own admission on The Charlie Rose Show, the editors went to the White House, went to DNI, went to the CIA, went to the NSA, and said, here's what we're going to publish.
	Are there any national security concerns?
	And they went, no.
	No.
	So just like the Trayvon Martin Zimmerman thing, this is all conditioning us.
	And I don't know if it's even a grand scheme.
	Well, Brzezinski clearly is behind all of it.
	And Kissinger.
	But it seems all to me like a beta test.
	It's like, what are they going to say here?
	Oh, okay.
	No, they're okay.
	Are they going to riot?
	No.
	No, okay.
	That's what it feels like to me.
	It's actually like you and me about the riots.
	This is going on in one of the offices.
	No, the public is going to react adversely if they ever found out.
	Oh, bullcrap.
	I'll bet you they don't care.
	No, no.
	I think the actual conversation they're having is, I'll bet you Dvorak tries to welch on the bit.
	Allow me to interlude in your three clips with a little backgrounder on what actually happened, because these are the things that interest me, and I think most No Agenda producers are getting used to finding out this information for themselves.
	So here's Spokes Hall Carney.
	We have communicated it to a variety of countries, including Russia.
	And so it's no different than it was.
	And I would simply say that providing a propaganda platform for Mr.
	Snowden...
	Very nice.
	Listen to the words now.
	Providing a propaganda platform.
	And I agree.
	I mean, to ask for asylum is one thing.
	To do a press conference in the airport?
	Okay.
	runs counter to the Russian government's previous declarations of Russia's neutrality and that they have no control over his presence in the airport.
	It's also incompatible with Russian assurances that they do not want Mr. Snowden to further damage U.S. interests.
	But having said that, our position also remains that we don't believe this should and we don't want it to do harm to our important relationship with Russia, and we continue to discuss with Russia our strongly held view that there and we continue to discuss with Russia our strongly held view that there is absolute legal justification for him Expelled?
	For him to be returned to the United States to face the charges that have been brought against him for the unauthorized leaking of classified information.
	Okay, I just want you to know that there is authorized leaking and unauthorized leaking, apparently.
	Because that's what the spokeshole is saying right there.
	Unauthorized leaking.
	So we see Snowden doing a press conference at the Moscow...
	That's very interesting you caught that.
	Oh, yeah.
	I just wanted to see if you were awake.
	So he said unauthorized leaking.
	So that implies authorized leaking.
	Yes.
	Which is the stuff that the Obama administration is doing consistently.
	Yes, here it is.
	Charges that have been brought against him for the unauthorized leaking of classified information.
	Unauthorized leaking.
	So who was with our friend Snowden there at the airport?
	Well, two women.
	I would say, by the way, hotties...
	Hotties.
	Yeah.
	Sarah Harrison.
	We've been tracking her.
	Sarah Harrison.
	She is the woman from WikiLeaks.
	She, as far as we know, is probably Julian Assange's lover.
	Assange.
	The one that I like the most, though, was the one on the right, Tanya Lakshina.
	And she is from one of my favorite organizations, Human Rights Watch, which is a complete shill front.
	Complete.
	In fact, it's a front, and when I say front, I mean for the CIA. It was the Human Rights Watch organization that actually approved of the CIA secret renditions.
	And I put a couple links in the show notes so you can go back and look at that, even though one of the articles I had to get from the archive.org because it had been scrubbed from the interwebs.
	But it literally quite clearly says that Human Rights Watch said, well, you know, at least we know that these guys are going to a place that we're managing and not some godforsaken hole.
	So they're all on board with anything the CIA does.
	And now this falls under the amnesty banner.
	Just plain old amnesty.
	You can just say whatever you want.
	And no one questions this.
	No one questions.
	Who are these women?
	And why are they there?
	And why are they there with you?
	And who is backing this?
	And go look at Human Rights Watch.
	Great name.
	Great name.
	But it's a front.
	And she runs the Moscow office.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	I mean, come on!
	Yeah, I know.
	It's getting pretty funny.
	Well, it's hilarious to me.
	But, you know, it's...
	I just...
	No wonder people come to us to listen.
	No wonder.
	I mean, how can you...
	I know that people hear these things and it registers.
	I mean, all human beings, your brains are really doing work and they're really smart.
	And I know that maybe you didn't hear this particular clip, but if your brain heard the clip unauthorized leaking, your brain is going, hey, what's going on here?
	And it tickles at you for a while, you know, and it...
	It takes a while.
	It finally goes away, but it does bother you.
	But if you've got this show, our show, and all we do is we take and we poke it.
	Say, hey, there was a reason that you were acting weird.
	That you felt it feel right.
	Here's the reason.
	Yeah, this is why.
	Exactly.
	And then you go, oh my God, they're trying to fool me.
	Yeah.
	Oh, here's the Human Rights Watch page, HRW.org.
	I was waiting for you to get to it.
	And the front thing, they got the flash pop-up of the two women.
	Yeah, sitting there with Snowden.
	And Snowden in the middle looking over at her notes, which I believe is that blue card that Letterman uses.
	What are you going to talk about next?
	I don't know.
	Let's see.
	What do we have on the agenda?
	He's looking at an agenda.
	You got a flash pop-up?
	I don't have a pop-up.
	What did you get that from?
	I got a pop-up.
	It says, Human Rights Watch meets with Snowden.
	Sign up for breaking news here.
	Oh, it popped up for me now, too.
	There we go.
	There you go.
	It's Copyright 2013 by Tanya Lokshina.
	Human Rights Watch.
	Now, she didn't take this picture.
	Why is she taking the copyright?
	But look at the girl in the background.
	Look at Sarah.
	She's hot, man.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	And she came from nowhere.
	She was an intern.
	She's probably the one who wrote those names on the Asiana flight pilots list.
	I looked her up, actually, for you.
	Hold on a second.
	Let me tell you.
	Look at this.
	Did you see this Tanya Lakshina?
	Is that the same one?
	Yeah, it looks completely different, doesn't she?
	She's just a redhead.
	This is typical of a spy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Late 2009, Harrison was an eager 27-year-old applying for an unpaid internship, a graduate of a prestigious boarding school with ambitions to become a journalist.
	Harrison had no prior experience, but McHaden said he saw a spark that led him to bring her on board.
	Yeah, a spark between his legs, probably.
	Hey, is this how it goes?
	Hey, John, and we've done this.
	What do you think of that girl?
	Should we hire her?
	Yeah?
	Yeah?
	Are you kidding me?
	That'll brighten up everyone's day.
	And I'm saying...
	Actually, in an office environment, it does.
	Of course it does.
	It's been studied.
	But you can never admit this because you go to jail.
	Well, in California especially.
	Harrison had no prior experience, but McFadden saw the spark to bring her on board, a break that would set her on the path to meet Assange and eventually bring her into the whistleblower website's inner circle.
	Oh, brother.
	It was an intelligent choice to send her to Snowden, McFadden said.
	She's smart, determined, and fully believes in the moral principle of shedding light.
	This is something she has strong feelings about.
	Shedding her clothes?
	Hell!
	Squirrel!
	After being recommended by McFadden, Harrison began working with WikiLeaks in August 2010 on the internal vetting of confidential U.S. documents supplied by Army Private First Class Bradley Manning, which the site later released.
	No, they gave it to newspapers.
	At some point that year, according to two people with direct knowledge of the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity...
	Wow, it's the WikiLeakers inside the leakers.
	Wow.
	Harrison and Assange became intimately involved.
	They cautioned that the relationship was not Harrison's prime motivation in championing the WikiLeaks cause.
	She is firmly committed to what WikiLeaks is trying to do.
	She believes 100% in the mission, one of the people said.
	Any suggestion her relationship with Julian is what has compelled her to do the things she has done would be totally wrong assumption.
	Well, no, I'm not saying that at all.
	I'm just saying it's kind of funny.
	You deserve to be scrutinized when you're screwing with the boss.
	No doubt.
	It would seem so.
	So she gets the gig.
	She gets the gig to go to Moscow.
	It's all funny.
	And remember when our president said, hey, I'm not going to call Putin over this?
	We called Putin this week.
	Because, you know, look at what's happening.
	So this is all very fun and fun and games, and you hear Carney talking about, well, you know, we've got a long-standing relationship.
	We don't really want to mess that up, but let's just look at the reality of the situation.
	I put this in the show notes.
	You can Google it.
	If you look at the Joint Sea 2013 drill...
	Which is the Chinese and Russian naval exercise.
	This thing was huge!
	Did you see the picture?
	And they're firing live rounds, they've got jets, they've got drones, they've got battleships.
	I mean, this is not minor, what went on here.
	But along with that, and we know that the Russians and the Chinese did a big deal for oil, Gazprom just got all the Kyrgyzstan...
	Oil and gas.
	Kyrgyzstan gas, I'm sorry.
	For $1.
	Hey, I could have given it $1.50.
	Now, if you look at the map...
	Go ahead, John.
	Let's do this together because it's kind of fun.
	Everybody listening on the stream, go to maps.google.com.
	That's the easiest one.
	And type in Kyrgyzstan, which is K-Y-R-G-Y-Z-stan.
	K-Y-R-G-Y-Z-stan.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Now, normally we'd be looking to the left.
	Just north of Tajikistan.
	What is to the southeast there?
	It's China, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	You can't get a shorter route into China.
	Well, it is China.
	Yes.
	You just step across the border, you're in China.
	You're in China.
	And China is, of course, this is what it's always been about.
	This is what the TAPI pipeline is about.
	You know, to go from Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, then through what is in between Burma.
	This has got to be a cool place in China.
	This is the north of Tibet.
	This has got to be one of the more interesting places to wander.
	I'll bet you up there, I'll bet you they've got one of those Star Wars or Star Trek bars.
	Star Trek, yeah.
	That's where it's very fashioned after.
	Yeah, all those crazy hats and chicks with six breasts and stuff.
	I'm telling you, that's what it's like up there.
	So, this is the real deal.
	This is what really matters.
	None of this other stuff.
	It doesn't matter one bit.
	This is the real deal because the Pentagon is our natural resource extraction unit of the elites of the United States, of Gitmo Nation, and of Britain and France and all the companies that need that stuff to enslave us.
	And I think, I have to say, we're on the losing end right now.
	We're not doing...
	Our president, if you want to be mad at anything...
	He's doing a crappy job.
	He's doing a really, really bad job, and he's out golfing.
	You know, this does not show confidence.
	You can't...
	We got our guys out golfing, and the other guys got his shirt off, hanging out with tigers...
	Right, and they got Snowden doing press conferences in the Moscow airport, and they can't do anything about it.
	With hot chicks.
	And those two chicks, obviously, bodyguards.
	Yes, handler bodyguards, obviously.
	Handler bodyguards.
	Look at the arms on that girl.
	Yeah, well, she probably knows some moves.
	Oh, yeah.
	And that's the real game, and that's what is being obfuscated by all this other stuff.
	But I think it's pretty funny.
	I'm all for it.
	Alright, well let's play clip two as we go along the way with Glenn Greenwald on the...
	Can I ask you a question?
	Yes.
	At this point, do you feel that Gren...
	Gren Greenwald?
	Gren Greenwald.
	Gren, do you think that Ren is compromised?
	You know, I actually don't think he's compromised.
	I think he's just kind of gone off the rails on his own.
	Do you think that...
	Well, here's a possibility.
	Perhaps he's just really gotten caught up in his 15 minutes.
	Well, he's definitely pushing his luck with the 15 minutes.
	He's way over time.
	Hey, buddy, get off the stage!
	He's like the guy who comes up to do five minutes on a stand-up open mic, and he won't get off the stage.
	Gren Rienwald, you're five minutes are up.
	All right, can we go with clip two?
	Yeah.
	I think what you just described is exactly what you called it, which is an assumption, and I would add it's a very speculative assumption, one for which there's no evidence, and I think that runs counter to the evidence that we know.
	Remember, this is a person who threw away his entire life, as he said in the beginning of that statement that you just played.
	Threw away his entire life?
	Seems to be alive if you ask me.
	Oh, I think he's talking about his one-room apartment, you know, working for one of these agencies as a contractor with no health benefits and a girlfriend that he apparently didn't...
	I don't know.
	I'm thinking his life got an upgrade, if you ask me.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, he's a big star now.
	Yeah.
	He doesn't get killed.
	Yeah.
	He had a girlfriend, a long-time girlfriend, a family who loves him.
	I get emails from them all the time asking me to pass on best wishes and love to him.
	Wait a minute.
	What is this?
	Did you notice that, too?
	Yeah.
	What is he now?
	He's like one of these criminal attorneys that keeps passing messages back and forth between the mob and the guy that's indicted.
	And remember, we have Bruce Fine, the lawyer, lurking in the background.
	It's about time for him to make another appearance.
	If you play that thing again, I believe there's code in there.
	Let me check it out.
	Hold on.
	Let me roll it back a few.
	He had a girlfriend, a long-time girlfriend, a family who loves him.
	I get emails from them all the time asking me to pass on best wishes and love to him.
	Yeah.
	The message is your family loves you, which is code for, you know, the family.
	Hello.
	The family, John.
	CIA. No, I'm getting it.
	The family loves you.
	The family loves you.
	Don't you think?
	It could be.
	It could be just that simple.
	He had a very stable career, a lucrative job, and he threw it away because he wanted not to destroy the United States or harm the United States, which he could easily have done by selling the information, but to provoke a debate.
	And he was willing to sacrifice all of his interests, including his freedom, in order to have that.
	So the idea that he would then suddenly start turning over secrets to Russia or China, which he could have done early on and gotten a lot of money for it.
	What?
	Gotten a lot of money.
	Really?
	Ren Greenwald, what book are you reading?
	He's obviously reading too much Le Carré.
	What is Le Carré?
	Hold on, reference I don't understand.
	One of the spy novelists.
	I thought it was like the Larson Erickson guy or whatever.
	So he's like, now he sounds exactly like the publicist for the guy, right?
	If you're talking, no, she can't talk right now.
	She's just recuperating from her.
	She sprained her ankle in a basketball game.
	Yes, and let me tell you, I mean, seriously, she could be doing anything she wants right now, but no, she decided to give it all up for you, for your entertainment people, so please back off a little bit.
	Are we talking Lady Gaga?
	I have another minute on this thing.
	Can we continue?
	I love it.
	I mean, I find the whole thing...
	No, I love it.
	I love it.
	It's great.
	This is condensed.
	This is great.
	It's very impossible to me, especially since...
	But I'm Rachel Maddow.
	Right.
	And gotten a lot of money for it.
	It's very impossible to me, especially since I've been in contact with him over the past week, and he's very clear about the fact that he's free to leave Russia at any time, that the only barrier in his way is the United States.
	And you think that's true?
	You do not think that he...
	I mean, has he talked to you about...
	I mean, I'm not saying this about the nature of Edward Snowden.
	I'm talking about the nature of the Russian state of Vladimir Putin, who spent his whole life in the KGB and, like, you know, doesn't necessarily play patty cake when this stuff is on the table.
	So you're saying that they...
	What is this reference?
	I have no idea.
	He's gone off the rails.
	Hello, 1950.
	We'd like our analogy back.
	He just has not had interactions with Russian intelligence?
	I think there's a lot of different factors.
	And when I hear this, and we have to be so careful because you get caught up in easy terms like amnesty is all over.
	They're taking care of it.
	Like amnesty, like some magical organization from God that comes down and has no financial interests or backing from anybody.
	You know, or Human Rights Watch.
	Oh, yes.
	Oh, my human rights.
	And now it's Russian intelligence.
	What do you know about Russian intelligence, you idiot?
	Besides the fact that the Russian government would like to get their hands on this information...
	It's the same thing with China.
	You know, the New York Times basically made up the claim, which they phrased in terms of this might have happened, that the Chinese government drained his laptop, something that he insisted didn't happen, and all the things I saw when I was in Hong Kong with him simply didn't happen, because there's a lot of different considerations that the Chinese had, including wanting him gone so that they didn't complicate their relationship with the world.
	And it's possible Russia would like to see him gone as well.
	You can't even get a word in.
	So, here's another thing that's kind of interesting.
	If the Russians wanted to grab, if you listen to the part one, you heard it, and I think he indicates it again.
	Greenwald, supposedly, at least the way he seems to tell the story, has all this stuff.
	Yeah, he should be arrested on the spot.
	He should either be arrested on the spot, or why would the Russians want to go through to the Snowden guy?
	Greenwald's hanging out in Brazil, which is wide open, if you want to just go over to somebody's building and club them, and then take their stuff.
	It would be a lot easier to me to club Glenn Greenwald, leave him in a pool of blood, and steal his material, which is the same thing, supposedly.
	I don't believe any of this.
	No.
	And perhaps it's all the whole...
	I'm going to go back to my original premise.
	Glenn Greenwald and the Freedom of the Press Foundation and all these people and Leni Rufenstahl, Laurie Poitras and the tour guy and WikiLeaks.
	It's all a big show.
	Half of them have no idea what they're doing.
	They're just so horny to get clearance.
	Or some other kind of perceived benefit.
	Because that's how it works in a police state.
	It's like, oh, I have clearance now.
	Oh, yes, I'm special.
	Or I get invited to some thing where I can meet a politician or whatever.
	So half of them are just ignorant people because people get manipulated all the time.
	But there are a few, John Perry Barlow, I'm looking at you, who know the score and are in there handling the situation.
	And it's a setup.
	To me, you're so right.
	If this guy has all this documentation, and if Russia or China wants it, just go down there like, hey, Glenn Greenwald, I'll club you!
	Very simple.
	Hey, Glenn, what's that?
	Is that your laptop?
	Let me take the zip drive.
	How do you think Greenwald would react to a 45 pushed up against his temple and somebody saying, we want that stuff that Snowden gave you?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And what's Greenwald going to do?
	Say no!
	You're going to have to shoot me!
	Yeah, or you can go right to the Washington Post.
	They apparently have the documents.
	Or why don't we go to the monthly meeting of the Freedom for the Press Foundation?
	They all seem to have it.
	They all seem to...
	Zeni Jardin, let's go grab her.
	She probably has it.
	Sounds like everyone has a copy.
	Except us.
	Except the Chinese.
	Yeah, the Chinese and the Russians.
	The Russian intelligence.
	No idea.
	And it's this simplicity.
	Thank you, John.
	This is exactly the simplicity that you have to take it to for everyone to understand what kind of BS this really is.
	It is total bullcrap.
	Total.
	It's kind of like the Zimmerman trial.
	If we had sat down to write it, We would have probably come up with something similar.
	You know, it's got everything in there.
	Remember, we had Court TV. For a reason.
	This is what people want.
	It hits all of our buttons.
	We've been conditioned to like this.
	We really do.
	It's beautiful.
	And the sad thing is that we have a large contingent of people Who are living online and who've grown up online and work in technology and understand much better how this works than an older generation.
	And they're all in on the he's my hero.
	But it's a false prophet, you see.
	I'm not arguing about any of that.
	We've got the third clip we can listen to.
	Yeah, I'd love to.
	Just find the final listen.
	And this is all kind of semi-scripted because it ends right on time when just in time for the commercial break and we're out of here.
	Quickly, there's a scoop you had yesterday about the NSA and Microsoft working together.
	What do you think the significance of it?
	I read it, and it seemed to me that the most charitable interpretation possible is that they are creating the technical capability to be able to, in the future, execute lawful kind of searches for items they want.
	What do you think is worrisome about that scoop?
	The Silicon Valley companies have continuously said that they only do the bare minimum the law requires to work with the NSA. And what this shows is this constant collaboration and inclusion on the part of Microsoft to build systems to allow all sorts of access to Skype, to Outlook, to these cloud systems, way beyond what the law requires.
	And the idea that they need a warrant in each individual case is untrue.
	They only need a warrant when they're targeting American citizens, not when they're scooping up onto communications, including ones involving Americans.
	Glenn Greenwald from The Guardian, thanks so much.
	Appreciate it.
	Let me say a couple things.
	First of all, I looked for a clip.
	I could not find any clip of this because it was in an Argentinian newspaper.
	Glenn Greenwald's latest, which of course is being propagated now by Reuters predominantly, is...
	Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald said in an interview published Saturday that the U.S. should be, quote, on its knees begging that nothing bad happens to NSA leaker Edward Snowden because the information that would then be revealed would be the country's worst nightmare.
	So now these are words...
	And by the way, yeah, go on.
	Go ahead.
	Say it.
	I'm just saying this seems like an overt threat from Glenn Greenwald.
	For me, John, this discredits him as an unbiased journalist.
	This is not how a journalist works.
	No.
	I agree with that 100%.
	This is something I would say.
	If that's right, and if all that is true, why doesn't he turn it into a story, not just through some interview?
	The stories have stopped and it's all about Glenn Greenwald being interviewed.
	Well, he's going to blow it into WikiLeaks if anything happens.
	If he gets killed, it's got a dead man switch working for him.
	He's got copies all around the world.
	Exactly.
	Okay, so what are the results here?
	And by the way, let's back up the truck for a second and remind people what you said earlier, which is that if you took this entire package and they showed it to the intelligence agencies and they said, we got no problem, how does this even make sense what you just said?
	In other words, how does it make sense it's going to destroy the country?
	Worst nightmare.
	It's all contradictory.
	But what do we have now?
	We have the following.
	We have a media shield law being set up.
	Which is partially because of...
	Well, it's very related.
	It's all interrelated.
	Because we have the spying on journalists, and now we know how they do it, and we have all the information, so-called information.
	And, you know, so this is all...
	Thank you very much, Mr.
	Snowden.
	So we have a media shield law coming, which is literally meant to obviscate all kinds of stuff under the banner of National Sicherheits.
	Right?
	We have the Silicon Valley companies are now, I mean, because Glenn Greenwald is a hitman.
	With his piece where he accuses Microsoft of aiding and abetting and being a fascist, a fascist organization with the government.
	This is a direct accusation by him, not using the fascist word, but the definition of what he described is fascism.
	By accusing them, without showing any source documentation, without showing the documents.
	So he says he has it from an internal NSA bulletin board, but he can't show that, or he won't show it.
	Why doesn't he show it?
	Well, because...
	That makes no sense.
	It's like Eugene McCarthy, or not Eugene, but the McCarthy character in the 50s, holding the blank sheets of paper, telling about all the communists that are in the government.
	But let me show you how this works.
	Because you...
	And I've known you long enough that I know that you're not in the cabal.
	Because, man, you would definitely have better clothes.
	Hey!
	You're not in the cabal.
	But what happens is, Gren Greenwald threatens Microsoft by saying, you guys are complicit.
	You're already doing this.
	Skype, it's all in there.
	You're letting them in.
	You suck.
	You're horrible.
	And what happens?
	You get true journalists like John C. Devorak writing an article saying, why would you trust Microsoft?
	You should throw them out.
	So now Microsoft, believe me, there's talk going on.
	They're like, okay, what do you want us to do?
	We give up.
	This is how the government...
	Before you finish that thought, the first thing I thought of when I heard this thing was how much in the way of donations did Microsoft give to the Obama campaign?
	Nothing.
	Boom!
	There it is.
	Yeah.
	Hey, you sound like a rapper.
	So that's part of it.
	That's why they go first.
	But they're going to do this with everybody.
	They're going to do it with Google.
	They're going to do it with Apple.
	They're going to do it with every single company.
	It's leverage.
	It's like, oh, hold on a second.
	You don't want to play ball?
	You want to try and be transparent?
	Uh-uh.
	No way.
	What you're going to do is you're going to play ball by our rules.
	Otherwise, we are going to make you look like you're a total a-hole shill, and we're going to make Dvorak write about it.
	Well, my writing was not about what Greenwald talked about.
	My writing was the simple fact that Microsoft, which is always known to have a backdoor, but no one's ever proven it, essentially they closed that door of doubt and it just doesn't make sense to me.
	Whether what Greenwald's doing is hitman work or not, it just doesn't make sense to me that someone in a foreign government would trust Microsoft, even if it wasn't true.
	But why would you take a chance if you don't take a chance?
	But can we agree that you probably would not have written this article at this moment without the Greenwald story?
	I won't agree with that because I actually had planned that article over a week ago.
	But I mean in this time period.
	Oh, you mean the overall green?
	Yeah.
	Absolutely not.
	It wouldn't make any sense.
	Exactly.
	So I think it's fair.
	And you're obviously, look, you wouldn't be doing this show if you could make some real money working for these a-holes.
	So obviously you're not part of it, but that's how it works.
	That's exactly how it works.
	You get this going and now Microsoft is, they're hostage.
	They are held hostage, no doubt.
	And Glenn Greenwald is out there and he's the hitman.
	And they've got the goods on him, too.
	I don't know what it is they've got on him because he's not doing it right.
	I mean, we both agree that the very least, he's like, I got a book, I got something else, I got to promote something.
	They're not paying him to do all this.
	I think they've got the goods on him.
	They may be writing the book as we speak.
	Possibly.
	Possibly.
	His book and then the book will magically appear.
	I can assure you as a writer that the kind of attention and even the article writing that Greenwald is doing currently and all the attention he's getting and all the conversations that must be going on...
	If he comes out with a book within six months, I would be stunned.
	I mean, I would be stunned if he'd actually written it because there's only so many hours in the day and you can only really write.
	Most any professional can write if there's zero distractions because they can maybe hit 10,000 words in a single setting once in a while.
	Now, there are no writers.
	This guy, he's barely sleeping.
	He has no time to write a book right now.
	He's doing interviews.
	He can't do anything like that.
	Yeah, he's an interview whore, yeah.
	Interview whore.
	That's not fair.
	Look, I've been on this train.
	It's great when you get on the train and you've got the BBC calling you and the New York Times and Charlie Rose.
	It gives you a huge boner.
	It does.
	It's great.
	But Greenwald, I don't know.
	I think they've got the goods on him.
	Maybe something about that porn site that he's been running or something.
	I don't know what it is.
	I don't care.
	But they got the goods on him, and maybe this is kind of the payoff.
	But go back to the original premise that he was working for Salon, which is being paid for by NSA compatriots, namely Adobe.
	So, you know, look, we're all compromised in one way or the other.
	I know I have at least five people handling me.
	You think you wish?
	No, for sure.
	For sure.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Come on, there's 5 million people working in intelligence in the United States alone that have some kind of clearance, 2 million of which have top secret clearance.
	You're telling me that not one or two of these emails that I get continuously from some people is not handler?
	Absolutely.
	I can name two or three of them myself that are handling you.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	You want to name somebody, big boy?
	I don't feel like it, but I could.
	I know you could.
	I think I can name five.
	That's why I say it.
	But it's okay because I often reply and say, you're one of the best handlers I have.
	It usually goes quiet for a day or two after I say that.
	Just get them to donate.
	Who cares?
	No, they donate, too.
	That's the best part.
	Yeah, they're not donating enough.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, so I learned a new term.
	I think Glenn Greenwald may have to be careful for Boston breaks.
	Have you ever heard this term?
	Nope.
	It's a beauty.
	The Boston Breaks.
	A producer sent it to me.
	There's a link in the show notes.
	And the Boston brakes started in the, I think, the 80s, where the mob in Boston would, you know, like, disable brakes or, you know, but not, like, kill people or try not to kill people, but it's, like, the daughter of some rival guy, and then, you know, but it's, like, the daughter of some rival guy, and then, you know, that have her slam into a light post and have the accelerator or the speedometer look like she was doing 200, you know, stuff like that, which is Oh, yeah.
	More doable today than ever.
	Yes.
	Oh, before I forget, one of our other producers, oh jeez, we've got so many, has been requesting stuff from Los Angeles regarding Michael Hastings.
	He's requested the coroner's report, which is not yet available.
	He got a response on that, but he also requested a copy of the 911 tapes that And let's see.
	So I have the Los Angeles Police Department reply here.
	Reviewed your request for 911 calls, blah, blah, blah, blah, for the June 18, 2013 600 block of Highland involving Michael Hastings.
	And then they go into why they can't release the tapes and why they don't have to release the tapes.
	But they gave us a call log.
	With a summary of, let me see, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven calls, four of which I shall read to you.
	June 18th, time of occurrence, not provided a call.
	Factual circumstance, caller reported an accident.
	Car exploded.
	Caller was transferred to Los Angeles City Fire Department.
	Number two here, caller reported a huge accident.
	Car had blown up.
	Caller transferred to Los Angeles City Fire Department.
	A caller reported a traffic collision.
	He is not involved.
	There is possibly a fatality because there was a giant explosion.
	Now, here's the thing that somewhere has to be in the report.
	As a hallmark of the Boston Brakes, and Boston Brakes can be, you know, it's also a term that is used by the mob for, you know, airplane crashes, small airplane typically.
	But the hallmark of the Boston Brakes, no skid marks.
	Yeah, there's no skid marks in the...
	No skid marks in the Hastings thing either.
	Zero.
	Now, I want to go back because I'm actually, even though I'm supposed to be more skeptical, people, by the way, I get some, well, Dvorak's less skeptical about Adam's ideas.
	And I'm going to just bring this up.
	Adam has not gone into his water-powered cars and his space aliens and a visitation with them and all that stuff where I'm skeptical.
	He's been doing – he has real source material.
	What am I supposed to be skeptical about when somebody like just now reads the log and it says explosion, explosion, explosion or blew up?
	And the thesis, of course, which I think is a very good one.
	It can be easily looked into, which is the idea that a drone hit the car.
	Now, I'm thinking he was supposedly doing 100 miles an hour, and there was a picture of him zooming through a red light that's been around the Internet.
	Yeah, by a paparazzi, and he was going the wrong way.
	Okay, we'll forget that.
	But whatever the case was, let's assume he was going fast.
	It would be like somebody, what if he got a call saying, you know, they've got a drone on you.
	Blow you up, get out of there.
	And so he was trying to get out of the way.
	And here's what I want.
	Somebody's got to, one of our listeners has got to be in the L.A. area with a Geiger counter.
	These drones are tipped with uranium, depleted uranium.
	Well, those are only the ones we shoot at brown people.
	White people don't get the DU. I would really doubt that we have, like, special drone heads that are going to kill somebody.
	Of course we have.
	And most of them don't believe that depleted uranium is that bad of a thing.
	Well, hold on.
	This was not a predator drone with a hellfire.
	That would have made quite a whole...
	On Highland Avenue, if this was a drone.
	Okay, you're right.
	It had to be a smaller...
	Yeah, much smaller.
	Which means it's more likely to me to have uranium tipped.
	Why?
	But whatever.
	I like the idea.
	You just like the whole idea.
	You just like the idea of people getting contaminated and dying later.
	Right, especially in Hollywood.
	Yeah.
	Hold on, hey-o.
	You know, it would be a...
	I just don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that a drone would take this guy out or take out that train car up north with the exploding crude oil.
	It just seems too...
	Easy to do it that way.
	Why plant a bomb in the guy's car and then remotely trigger it?
	You know, maybe it could have been that as possible.
	And, you know, with a phone, you know, you call the guy up and boom, his car blows up.
	But, I don't know.
	It's just the whole thing is fishy.
	And if they think there's nothing to suspect, you know, the LAPD's obviously just been told to shut up and stay quiet.
	Well, we'll see.
	We'll see.
	I really like that our producers are asking for this information.
	They're doing FOIA requests.
	That's pretty bold.
	I dig that.
	Yeah, well, anyway, so this guy was blowed up for some reason.
	We still don't really know why.
	Well, we do kind of because...
	We think that may be a reason, but I'm not convinced that it's that simple.
	It could also just be purely a message.
	Yeah, it may have nothing to do with him.
	I think a lot of people took...
	I listened.
	I heard it.
	Am I going?
	All right.
	I'm not going to mess with you.
	You didn't take it that way?
	No, not really.
	No?
	I listen very closely.
	Boston Breaks, to me, is like, okay.
	All right.
	I get you.
	I'm all good.
	Let's stay in Boston for one more second.
	Well, actually, not in Boston.
	Let's go to the Hill.
	Three hours of C-SPAN testimony I was very excited about, about the Boston bombing.
	And, of course, we have our Homeland Terrorism Oversight Committee having a look.
	And it started off like this.
	The committee is meeting today to continue our series of hearings examining the Boston bombings of April 15, 2013.
	I now recognize myself for an opening statement.
	I'm going to, by the way, when I walk into a room, I'm going to do that.
	You recognize yourself?
	Hile everybody.
	Hold up the mirror first.
	Hile everybody.
	I recognize myself for an opening statement about my entrance.
	Hold on.
	I want to thank the witnesses for appearing here today.
	This is an open hearing, and today we will vote on convening a closed session tomorrow to receive classified testimony.
	So already I'm like, oh, really?
	This is going to be bogative.
	There's going to be nothing good in here if the real testimony is tomorrow.
	from the Department of Homeland Security and the National Counterterrorism Center.
	Unfortunately, the FBI has refused to appear and continues to refuse this committee's appropriate requests.
	For information and documents, crucial to our investigation into what happened in Boston.
	Let me guess, is that because they can't find the video of the Sarnoff brothers putting the bombs into the trash can?
	Could that be it, John, the video that everyone knows exists, but no one has actually seen?
	Even though we've seen every other video known to man?
	Including the governor?
	That no one has seen this video?
	Could it be anything like that?
	Could that have anything to do with it, possibly?
	Maybe.
	Three months ago, there was a terrorist attack in our country.
	And it is this committee's responsibility to find out how we did not see it coming.
	What concerns me greatly is that the problem at the heart of preventing the Boston bombings is a failure to share information.
	That that is being witnessed now in this very room.
	That's right.
	There you go.
	Yay!
	And then we have, and this is one of our producers again who caught this, and I just found it interesting.
	You know the guy, Jeff Bauman, the guy who apparently had his legs blown off?
	He was in the wheelchair and everything.
	Remember that guy?
	Everyone was like, oh, he's fake.
	Well, his healing process is remarkable.
	NBC Nightly News had a piece on him where it's incredible how quickly he is healed.
	And I was going to ask Miss Mickey because she has some experience about this type of particular wound.
	But I was very sick yesterday.
	I'll have to tell you about that later.
	So I didn't get to, because it's a weird topic, weird conversation.
	But this guy, he's healed very, very quickly.
	He's already using prosthetics to walk around.
	And they amputated his legs above the knee.
	And again, I just don't know enough about the topic, but it looked like his injuries were below the knee.
	And I would think that it might be handier to have the knee.
	I don't know.
	I don't know any of this, but he threw this line out, which was mind-boggling.
	Jeff got to throw out the first pitch at Fenway and was invited on hallowed ice at a Bruins game.
	Seeing like 20,000 people yelling for you and clapping is pretty intense.
	Just three weeks ago, Jeff took his first steps with the help of his new prosthetics.
	What have you learned about the resilience of the human body?
	It's crazy.
	It's really tough.
	It's insane.
	I mean, I'm a quick healer.
	They were calling me Wolverine.
	He's an X-Men guy that heals really quick.
	How do you remain so positive?
	They call him Wolverine, which would just happen to be in theaters now.
	Oh, God.
	Yeah.
	There's no reason for them to call him Wolverine.
	Yeah, there is none.
	Unless he's a dead ringer for Hugh Jackman, is he?
	No, but it's in theaters now.
	Yeah, that's bad.
	Good job by whoever that was.
	And this morning I had another producer, and I wasn't getting it.
	I was just not understanding what he was telling me.
	And he was sending me these articles.
	Of course, we had this kid, Corey Monteith, From Glee died in a hotel room.
	Right.
	And so he's sending me these links.
	He's like, look, look, look, look, you've taught me how to do this.
	You're not seeing the connection.
	You're not seeing the connection.
	Like, what are you talking about?
	And let me see if I have, don't we have a Hollywood Whackers jingle?
	We used to.
	I don't remember a jingle.
	Oh, yeah, there was something.
	It wasn't, yeah, I don't think you played it as much to keep it.
	You probably lost it.
	I shouldn't have lost it.
	Anyway, it doesn't matter.
	I'll see if I can find it later.
	So this kid dies, and he sends me this link.
	He says, no, no, no, this is about something else.
	I'm like, okay, what is it?
	So here is the headline from Variety.
	After spending the past two weeks trying to turn the tide for Pacific Rim, Warner Brothers and Legendary Pictures now are bracing for what appears to be a gruesome inevitability for the $185 million-plus monster movie, with a domestic opening Warner Brothers and Legendary Pictures now are bracing for what appears to be a gruesome inevitability for the $185 million-plus monster movie, Now let me ask you.
	If you...
	If you stood to lose a good $150 million or $100 million or even $20 million, would you kill someone if you could turn the tide?
	Me, personally?
	No, but if you were evil.
	Oh, if I was just one of those Hollywood guys?
	Yeah.
	Probably, yeah.
	So where was this kid whacked?
	Now, by the way, this movie, The Pacific Rim, is a 13.
	It's a PG movie.
	So it's for kids who love glee.
	Well, there's a couple of things about this movie that are weird.
	Before you go on, you finish your thing.
	At first, it got a lot of negative, bad publicity early on because it was going to be a dog, supposedly.
	And it is a singing and dancing monster movie.
	I mean, they're not done to music, but they choreographed and all the rest.
	J.C. actually went to see the movie, and he thought it was quite good, even though he was under the impression it was going to be crap.
	Rotten Tomatoes actually gave it a 71% plus, so it wasn't a rotten movie, and the number of people that wanted to see it on the Rotten Tomatoes website was extremely high.
	So for some reason, this movie, there's something more to this story, because this movie was a setup to ruin someone, and it looks like it actually may not be a dog at the box office.
	Well, why don't you Google Cory Monteith, and click on any link, and And tell me what phrase you see.
	Okay, I'm looking at the...
	If you can find the BBC link, it's even better.
	I got the Fox, found dead, best known, one of the stars in New Glee.
	Confirmed in Monty's by his found room, 21st floor, Pacific Rim Hotel.
	There you go.
	And every single story repeats the word Pacific Rim at least five times.
	Hey, it's a Hail Mary, but it's not entirely out of the question.
	Well, there's something very suspicious about this film.
	And I believe there's one side trying to sink it and one side trying to make money on it.
	I don't know.
	But that is peculiar.
	A peculiar coincidence.
	I actually stayed at that hotel.
	Wow, you got out just in time.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I was there, let me think, 17 years ago.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on no agenda.
	In the morning.
	We have a number of people to thank for contributing to this show 530 and helping produce it.
	Jan Willikens in Spanga, Sweden.
	Oh, Sweden?
	Sweden at $102.75.
	Cleaning out my PayPal account, which is something we recommend.
	Reviving an old theme which never caught on.
	Please...
	It kind of caught on.
	Please de-douche me since my last value for value token of appreciation was around show 200.
	Oh, jeez.
	I've listened since show one, and the last few episodes were some of the best ever.
	Oh, thank you.
	Here we go, de-douche.
	You've been de-douched.
	All right, we got Sir Anonymous, $100 from Oslo.
	Grebulon, who's, I guess, going to be a knight.
	Is that right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	He's from Tel Aviv.
	He's the guy from Tel Aviv.
	And he gets knighted today, yes.
	He needs to give us more insights.
	Dope.
	Clay.
	Did he request for a special name for his knighting?
	Let me just check for a second.
	I think so.
	It's right here.
	It's just his totals.
	Okay.
	Clay.
	This is a great name in Columbus, Ohio.
	Bachevice?
	I'd say Bachevice.
	Could be.
	Either that or Bachevice.
	8770 in Columbus.
	I like Bachevice.
	That's a hot name.
	Hey, I'm Clay Bachevice.
	Three Musketeer.
	I am Eric M. 8334 from Cincinnati, Ohio.
	Mr.
	Peabody in Nat...
	I keep forgetting to look up the name.
	They do it, Justin.
	Natachuck.
	Natachuck, yeah.
	Something like that.
	Mr.
	Peabody in Natachuck, Louisiana.
	8077.
	Looking forward to John trying to pronounce the town once again.
	And then, of course, he says, I'm right, but we'll skip all of that.
	So, hey!
	69!
	69, dudes!
	And we start with Baron Grand Duke Sir Stephen Pelsmachers in Belgium.
	Hold on one second, John.
	The lords, dames, knights, slaves, and elites, please be outstanding for another donation from the Grand Duke Ron Pelsmachers.
	That's right.
	He has his own jingle now.
	Michael Miller in Tiburon, California.
	He tells us to take his show off.
	Carlos Severo in Sao Paulo, Brazil.
	Oops, wait a minute.
	That closed it.
	Oh, my God.
	Jeez.
	Whoa.
	69!
	69!
	It was two?
	We almost...
	Whoa, whoa.
	That was close.
	Carlos Severo in Sao Paulo, Brazil.
	666.
	Give him some job.
	Carmi down there in Brazil.
	He's going to need it.
	Hold on a second.
	I wasn't ready for that.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Yeah!
	You've got karma.
	Jose Amaldo David Binzelahi.
	$60.
	Ensenada, New York.
	Oh, Ensenada.
	It says New York, but it's Argentina.
	That makes more sense than Ensenada.
	That's fantastic.
	We've got Brazil.
	We've got Argentina.
	Right.
	Now we need Colombia and Chile and then Paraguay.
	John Snyder, $53 Chicago.
	FTUK computers, LTD in the UK. And crew.
	That's where the Rolls Royces are made.
	Oh, really?
	Crew, yeah.
	I didn't know that.
	Bandbusclub.com, Toledo, Ohio, 50 bucks.
	Hold on a second.
	What is that?
	Bandbusclub.com.
	I'm sorry, I just have to take a look at this for a second.
	Oh, no.
	I think we do a Facebook page.
	Oh, that sucks.
	Brandon Savoy in Port Orchard, Washington, 50.
	Mike Westerfield, 50 bucks.
	He just donates all the time.
	Matthew Stevens, north of Richland Hills.
	Um...
	Texas?
	Ron R.J. Jennings, Fall River, Massachusetts.
	Nuts?
	We did send a check in so he has a note.
	He's been a pre-boner, that's all he says.
	Alright, that happens.
	That's good.
	Um...
	I pay solutions who we didn't credit properly last time.
	It was $50, not $5,000.
	So for those of you who were listening on Thursday, here's Adam and John looking at a spreadsheet that seems weird.
	Let's skip to the next one.
	That can't be right.
	It said, I pay Solutions $5,000.
	I'm like, really?
	I said, we've arrived.
	We finally have true, you know, like it's come through.
	Corporate America is now going to underwrite us.
	But no.
	We're waiting.
	And that concludes our very short segment of donors here for show 530.
	Hopefully we'll pick it up on Thursday.
	I want to remind people they have to help us out here because it's the only way we can keep doing this.
	It's Dvorak.org slash NA. And I want to remind everyone there is actually a peerage map One of our producers is maintaining, and there's a link in the show notes.
	I'll make sure I put that...
	I'm saying that, but I want to make sure I put it underneath the credits there, so you can take a look at where all of our knights, dames, barons, dukes, earls, and grand dukes are, and what protectors they have.
	You know, it's crazy.
	I've turned off every single device.
	I still hear...
	Maybe...
	Do you have your phone on?
	Is your cell phone near you?
	No.
	Is it in the room?
	Is it on?
	There's nothing in here and I don't hear the buzz or the line.
	You know, I hear something trying to connect.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	I've got nothing going on.
	I've been cellphoneless and it's working very well.
	It turns out you don't really need a cell phone.
	God, I hear this fucking thing again.
	I don't understand.
	It's like I hear it continuously in my headphones.
	Maybe there's a guy with a big dish across the street pointing it at your house.
	Maybe.
	Put some aluminum foil on the old noggin.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Hold on, let me get my hat for a moment.
	Thefora.org slash N-A It's your birthday, birthday I'm no one champion Yes, we certainly do appreciate your donations and look forward to hopefully a little longer segment on Thursday.
	Ryan Newdorf says happy birthday to Jonathan Diggle.
	He turns 33 today.
	And Secret Agent Paul, responsible for many of our jingles, like the Open Up Jebediah, Open Up Curry, and the Pelsmockers jingle you just heard, says happy birthday to his naughty nurse, Danielle.
	Send pictures, my friend.
	Okay, we've got two nightings today, so that is very good news.
	Very happy as people are catching up with their full-time donations.
	John, your blade, if you have it.
	Yes, very good.
	Sir Grebulon and Harvey Lee, step forward, gentlemen.
	Both of you are about to enter that exclusive club known as the Round Table, where the knights and dames all sit.
	So I hereby proudly present thee with the award of Sir Grebulon and Sir Harvey Lee.
	Knights of the Noah General Round Table for you.
	Yes, like many of us.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very, very much for your contribution.
	I was very, very sick the other day.
	Yeah, you were going to say that.
	Yeah, so Sir Gene, Baron of Texas, Sheriff of something.
	Now, Baron de Marriott, Sheriff of Texas, was in town.
	Okay, so what did he try to do?
	Did he bring his pricker?
	Well, so he took Miss Mickey and I out to dinner, which was very kind.
	This was Friday.
	Where'd you go?
	To Trace.
	I don't know what.
	That's Miss Mickey's choice, actually.
	She's always easy when someone else is going to pay.
	And so we come back and he says, look, I got some cigars.
	Oh, you smoked a cigar and you got sick.
	Were they Cubanos?
	They were special cigars.
	They were not anything identified specifically as Cubano, but they were...
	I hadn't smoked a cigar in over a year, mind you.
	And of course, I haven't smoked at all.
	And you don't really inhale cigars, but...
	You better not.
	No.
	No.
	So we're outside, and of course it's 95 degrees, and we're out on the back porch until, I think Gene left around quarter to two.
	And so I smoked one cigar with him, and drank one or two scotch with water, which is what I typically drink.
	And I woke up at seven in the morning, and I almost asked Miki to take me to the hospital.
	You woke up this morning at 7?
	No, yesterday.
	Okay.
	Yeah, Saturday.
	Don't go partying the night before the show, that's my advice.
	Well, no, but check it out.
	We weren't partying, so obviously my mouth tasted like a dead bird had shit in there, but that's the cigar.
	Some cigars do that, it's terrible.
	But what had happened is the mold allergy.
	I had not realized that the mold is like at the highest ever.
	And you'll recall what happens with me.
	It's my brain swells up.
	And my head was exploding.
	I had to stay home all day.
	I was lying down.
	I was completely hammered.
	So now I have to eat all the nettles and the quercetin and everything.
	And this morning, even though we went to bed on time, I still woke up with a little bit of a headache.
	So it's very problematic, this mold allergy.
	So you blame the mold?
	Not the cigar and all the booze?
	That's what it was, because I didn't drink anything last night and I didn't smoke anything last night.
	At first I thought Gene had literally poisoned me.
	I'm like, that's it.
	Because we all know Gene.
	Gene's going to go, oh God, I hear that.
	I swear, I'm like, Mickey...
	Nobody trusts me just because I'm Russian.
	I think Gene is poisoning me.
	Take me, that's why I was like, take me to the hospital.
	It's time.
	Gene is poisoning me.
	You're a little paranoid.
	Well...
	Hello?
	Hastings?
	Need I say more?
	That's a good one.
	Yeah.
	And then the butt disappeared.
	Yeah.
	What do you mean the butt disappeared?
	Well, it's because the poison would have been in the cigar, and then somebody would come and reclaim it.
	And yes, the cleaners came that day earlier than usual.
	And scrubbed down the house and took the butt.
	Just two quick ones.
	Adam, being a good producer, when asked to proceed into the scanner, I politely advise that my left shoulder prevented me lifting my arms above my head.
	It works down under!
	He says now, this is our producer, Aiden.
	Snorkel, actually.
	Long story short.
	So they finally put scanners in Australia, John.
	This is really what this is about.
	You'll be pleased to know they finally installed scanners in Sydney International Airport.
	Yes, we're pretty slow on the uptake in Gitmo Down Under.
	We're probably buying the old ones that they were decommissioning up there where you guys are.
	They weren't using RapaScan, were they?
	I don't know.
	He didn't...
	Gotta tell us.
	Yeah, we'll know.
	So anyway, being a good producer, he advised his left shoulder to prevent him from lifting his arms.
	The confusion that ensued was hilarious.
	That's always fun when you can confuse officials.
	Long story short, they apparently had an opt-out procedure, but no one knew what it was.
	Being the good citizen that I am, I inducted the security staff at Sydney Airport into the No Agenda Valet program with helpful suggestions like...
	Instead of the scanner, you have to pat me down.
	And someone needs to collect my things for me.
	Then you can swab me and my bag.
	So he's telling them how to do it.
	Everything went according to plan until the security agent advised me pre-pat down, hand wand metal detector scan, to go collect my bags from the x-ray table.
	Pack it all up and bring it to the bomb material trace scanner for scanning.
	To reiterate, I was asked to pack my own bag up from the x-ray machine and could have put whatever I wanted into my pockets back into the scan bag before I was treated to the hand massage.
	I was really looking forward to my first valet service experience.
	So even when I asked the agent, are you sure I'm allowed to touch my stuff before I'm pat down?
	To which the agent replied, yeah, that's fine.
	Nice to see that with all the new DNA scrambling security technology, it all comes unstuck with someone who isn't interested in being a slave.
	For what it's worth...
	In the layover in Dubai, I decline to try any N.A. valet tips.
	I never know what grain of something might be on the sole of my shoe that might land me in jail over there.
	Anyways, thank you very much, Snorkel, for trying to help out and getting the valet service instated there in Sydney.
	I'm surprised.
	Well, they'll work it out.
	And finally, Hans Hoffner.
	Dear Adam, even though I don't agree with everything you say, I love it when people start off like that.
	I've always found it annoying.
	Just from writing columns for 30 years, you get these letters that come in.
	I don't always agree with everything you say.
	Well, I don't know that anyone would.
	So why do you say that?
	Yeah, I wonder what that is.
	It's just to assume I'm a free thinker.
	Why don't you just start that way?
	You know, I think for myself.
	Yeah.
	But I liked what you said.
	I mean, I don't know what the point of it is.
	What is that?
	That is a very interesting phenomenon.
	In 30 years, you haven't figured out where that comes from?
	No, I'm always baffled by this.
	It's something to do with either apologizing for writing.
	I think it has something to do with that.
	Or they want to get a little...
	Something you did is still in their craw.
	They've got to give you the needle.
	I don't agree with everything you say.
	Okay, I think it's okay if you say, okay, here's how I would say it.
	And I will accept this.
	If you say, even though I don't agree with everything you say, and excuse me for existing.
	I think that would be fine if you put those two together.
	Excuse me for existing.
	But this is funny because he says, even though I don't agree with everything you say, you're doing amazing work.
	I'm running into the danger of getting my information only from the no agenda show, which is not a good thing.
	I agree.
	Yeah.
	As many sources of information are better than one to form an opinion.
	Can I interrupt again?
	Yeah.
	It's like there's another aspect to this.
	You can get all the information you want from the No Agenda show, but we're not an information show.
	We are a show trying to enlighten.
	Why would you give a guy a fish when you can show him how to fish?
	I should write that down.
	You can go into your Bible.
	Anyway, so the idea is you really want to go and revisit.
	We give you the tools to laugh and have a great time watching the regular media.
	Yes, we're giving you laughter tools.
	Please pronounce tools properly.
	Tools.
	Tools.
	It's getting harder and harder to hear, watch, read today's journalists.
	No, no, no.
	This is where you're incorrect.
	I agree.
	We're giving you the tools so you can watch and go...
	Boy, those guys are full of crap.
	And by the way, that would make you incredibly annoying in any crowd, which is really fun.
	Adam just read his email on the No Agenda Show.
	Ah, yes.
	This is the entire point.
	Yeah, I don't understand why people don't get that.
	So, before we go on to this, I have actually a couple funny clips I want to play, but before we do that, I don't have any clips, but we have to say something about Janet Napolitano.
	Well, let me say...
	She finished the show on Thursday and boom, she quits!
	Okay, first of all, I'm very, very, very, very, very sad.
	First, Hillary, now, Lucy?
	This is bad.
	It's terrible.
	Who am I going to make fun of?
	And there's going to be nobody left over.
	I can't think of anybody else like those two.
	There's nobody left over.
	I mean, Hillary will be back, but Napolitano's done.
	No.
	I have a theory on this.
	Good, because I don't.
	My theory is the basic one that we'd come out with with no agenda thinking, which is they put her at the University of California to make sure the recruits had a clue early on.
	No, this is a little bit longer game, although that's a perfect place for her to go.
	So first, we have to know that everything's coming undone.
	The stuff is going to unravel.
	The lawsuits, we haven't talked about them in a while, but that whole organization is ill.
	There's women who are harassing men.
	There's been lawsuits about this that gets no play in the media.
	There's lots of sexual harassment by lesbians in the Department of Homeland Security.
	We talked about it.
	The suits have been filed.
	Yeah, you can find the papers and everything.
	It's a very unfriendly, unhealthy environment, I'm convinced of it.
	You only have to look at the TSA to know what's happening at the top.
	It's rotten from top to bottom.
	The FBI is now not showing up at hearings because they've messed it up.
	There is a slight possibility that there's going to be a huge revamp going on.
	Why not?
	We might as well.
	This is a big organization, a lot of money, and it's all made-up stuff.
	It's all stuff we don't need.
	I think you need some bad stuff to come out so that then we can have a new person come in and rebuild it, and it'll be invigorating, and the whole security industry will love it.
	It's got to be cyber.
	I think, really, she needed to go once she admitted that she doesn't even use a computer.
	That was kind of her...
	I think everyone was like, okay.
	Why did you have to say that?
	Why did you have to go and ruin the fun?
	You were doing great.
	I don't think she...
	If you're so far out of it that you wouldn't know not to say that, open up the book.
	I want you to put an entry in because I know where this is headed.
	This is not just her going into education.
	Are you kidding me?
	I would say Ruth Ginsburg should not be eating any oysters.
	Ruth Ginsburg, who is a Supreme Court justice, is going to die in the next year.
	I'm sorry to say it.
	And Janet Napolitano will be our next Supreme Court judge.
	Replacing Ruth Ginsburg.
	Well, that'll be a wash.
	That should be an improvement.
	No, no.
	I think it's going to be very frightening.
	Now, it could be Thomas.
	I mean, it could happen that he could just have a heart attack, but it would have to be cool with him, like on top of a hooker.
	They're not going to do something that extreme.
	Wouldn't it be cool, though, if Chief Justice Clarence Thomas died on top of a hooker?
	Well, let's put my little thing in here.
	It would be.
	That would be great.
	But that's not going to happen.
	Can you put it in the book just as a side note just in case so I can claim it?
	How about this for an idea if you want to go in this direction?
	Mainly because it kept being brought up in the conversation.
	Alito.
	Okay, possible.
	Because if you remember, we've been hearing, oh, I had Judge Alito's paperwork right in my hands.
	They were, you know, spying.
	It was one of the, it was the Tice guy.
	He was talking about it.
	Oh, very good, very good, yes.
	Whistleblowers that are supposed whistleblowers from the NSA. They kept mentioning Alito, Alito, Alito.
	That could be code.
	Write it down.
	Alito, Boston Breaks.
	Alito, Boston Breaks, Janet, Supreme Court.
	You can feel it.
	She can feel it.
	I know.
	She's a lawyer.
	She's all in.
	Well, it can't happen right away, then, because they're not going to put her at the University of California.
	It's got to be near the end of Obama's administration.
	It has to be before 2016, obviously, but they needed the right person, and she doesn't have the right resume.
	Yeah, she's been governor.
	She's run a huge department.
	Now she gets to do the educational part.
	It's perfect.
	She'll have everything she needs.
	She'll have the background of the education.
	I have to dog ear this page, then, because it's going to be way out there.
	Can you just slip a note in it?
	A lanyard.
	Don't you have a no agenda lanyard?
	I have lots of lanyards.
	Slip a lanyard in there.
	Alito.
	I'm saying it's either Clarence Thomas on top of a hooker or Samuel Alito with the candlestick and the Boston Breaks.
	We'll see.
	But the one that really is probably the closest to being too old is definitely Kiki.
	Kiki Ginsberg?
	Yeah, that's what her nickname is.
	Is it really Kiki?
	A lot of people don't know that.
	I did not know that.
	I didn't know her name was Kiki.
	That's funny.
	Yeah, Kiki.
	A good friend of hers told me that.
	Years ago.
	I always thought that was weird that no one's ever picked it up.
	So I have a couple of...
	A very funny clip...
	That just kills me.
	It's Claire McCaskill doing an investigation of robocalls.
	And this is the Claire and Rachel clip.
	And who is Claire McCaskill?
	Claire McCaskill is the woman that was supposed to be run out of town by the Republicans, but then they had the guy that ran against her as senator.
	A douchebag who went on about legitimate rape or something stupid and they couldn't win.
	Anyway, so she's running this investigation.
	I think this is pretty funny.
	Fraudulent robocalls have since filled the void and have become the source of understandable anger and frustration among the public.
	These automated, pre-recorded telemarketing calls that often seek personal information from unsuspecting consumers are an annoyance at best, but they can be devastating for those that are defrauded by them.
	It's easy to see how consumers can easily be confused by these calls.
	One common scam involves a call from Rachel from Cardholder Services, offering an easy way to reduce consumers' credit card interest rates.
	Hello, this is Rachel at Cardholder Services, calling in reference to your current credit card account.
	There are no problems currently with your account.
	It is urgent that you contact us concerning your eligibility for lowering your interest rate.
	Your eligibility expires shortly, so please consider this your final notice.
	Please press the number 1 on your phone now to speak with the live operator and lower your interest rate, or press the number 2 to discontinue further notices.
	Thank you.
	Have a great day.
	Another common scam involves robocalls warning consumers that their auto warranty is about to expire.
	This is an important message regarding your automotive warranty.
	We have made several attempts to reach you.
	This is your final courtesy call before your vehicle is reclassified.
	Press 1 to speak to a warranty specialist or press 2 and your file will automatically be closed.
	In both examples, with the press of a button, the consumer is directed to an individual whose job it is to collect financial information in an effort to defraud them.
	Even pressing the button they claim removes the caller from their list does nothing more than identify a phone number as valid, likely increasing the frequency of unwanted calls in the future.
	That's good.
	That's a good clip.
	It's not quite clip of the day, but it's good.
	Well, you know, I never got the one about the car, but it's pretty funny.
	Well, if I can just say, we get that all the time now because, you know, I bought Miss Mickey the secondhand Ford.
	Right.
	And so we don't even listen to the phone rings all day here.
	The one that we have is a part of the Time Warner service.
	Why even bother?
	We shouldn't even have it anymore.
	But now we're getting all these warranty things.
	Like, oh, no, your warranty is expiring.
	And you look at it at face value like, oh, what is this?
	You have to look for a second because I bought extra warranty with the car.
	So you do have this moment of what?
	What's going on?
	Of course, we figure out that it's a scam pretty quick.
	But it's a big one.
	And you get on the list.
	That's what happens.
	You buy a car, boom, you're on the list.
	Even Mechanics Bank is sending me weird shit now.
	We have debit cards, and we once got a credit card, and we used it once and paid off the balance.
	And we are literally getting envelopes from our bank, John, Mechanics, saying...
	Yeah, it's obviously coming from the MasterCard people.
	Important information enclosed!
	You have zero balance!
	Yeah...
	This is not good!
	You need to use it!
	And I have a whopping $2,800 I can use.
	I'm so reliable.
	So the second clip, which is just to get an idea of the complaints that come into the FTC, play that FTC clip about these calls.
	Law enforcement officials have estimated that telemarketing fraud costs Americans over $40 billion annually.
	So it is no wonder that robocalls consistently remain a top consumer complaint at the FTC as well as the FCC. The FTC alone receives more than 200,000 complaints about robocalls every month.
	Alright, so here's the deal.
	Why isn't the NSA doing something about this?
	What do you mean?
	They've got all this stuff.
	They can track these guys down.
	If you listen to the whole hearing, everything these guys are doing is illegal.
	Yeah, they're running it in and out of the Ukraine and all over the world.
	None of these calls are coming from the United States, by the way, when Rachel calls you.
	It's bullcrap.
	But there's facilitators, there are companies that take the credit cards, and they're American, and we have the NSA, which apparently is recording everything, including all these calls that are coming from these phonies, and they can track anything.
	Why doesn't our government put a stop to this if we have these intelligence agencies spying on every single American 24-7?
	It makes no sense to me.
	Is it possible that this is the NSA? That they're just using all of your information and then to give you stupid offers?
	And then they'll also scam you so they can get the $40 billion in their coffers?
	That's a funny idea.
	But there's no way.
	They're not doing...
	Where's the FBI in this?
	These people...
	I'm not buying it that these guys are so good with these robocalls that they can't be found.
	The CEO can be found.
	I think that's funny.
	This has been going on for years is Rachel.
	Right.
	You're absolutely right.
	I don't know.
	Maybe they're not motivated.
	You tell me.
	What do you think?
	Maybe you've got to convince them that Rachel's a terrorist.
	Well, I'm trying to...
	That would be kind of funny, actually.
	For some reason, I can't get it to work.
	I think our phone is busted.
	I think I should play back a couple of the calls that we get here at the house.
	You should.
	You should record them.
	The only ones I get now is I get Rachel still.
	She keeps calling.
	Oh, you actually have gotten Rachel?
	All the time.
	Calls daily.
	You should talk to her a little while.
	And it says right on the caller ID, card services.
	Card services, yeah.
	I just lift and hang.
	I mean, I don't even pick it up.
	I just hang up on them.
	You know, I got on a list.
	I got sold around.
	And so whenever 202 calls me, I know not to answer.
	In fact, I bet you I can play a 202 if you're interested.
	When you answer the phone, go, this call may be recorded.
	What's the words they use for customer safe assurance or something?
	For your, for customer, I don't know, what do they call it?
	I don't know.
	When they do that, though, I'm going to, I think I'm going to do that.
	This call may be recorded.
	So I got on a list probably when I interviewed Ron Paul.
	Oh yeah, that would make sense.
	And that is how long ago?
	Two and a half years.
	Oh, more than that.
	No, it was the 2008 election.
	Oh, then it was that long ago.
	Right.
	So this is July 3rd, 2013, from a 202 area code, which of course is Washington, D.C. Hey Adam.
	Hey Adam, Corey Hubbard with the Coalition to Reduce Spending, giving you a call to follow up on that letter from Peter Schiff.
	I never got a letter from Peter Schiff, by the way.
	Peter Schiff?
	I know.
	People that used to work for Gary Johnson back in when he was running for President N.O. in 2012.
	And we got your name.
	We thought you'd be interested in what we're working on now.
	And I'm going to be out in San Francisco in two weeks.
	I wanted to see if you could spare 20 to 30 minutes to sit down with me briefly so I could talk to you about some of the really exciting things we're working on for this coming year.
	My number is 202...
	So wouldn't it be funny...
	This was a robocall, right?
	No, this is a real person.
	Oh, she was actually telling you this, and she's leaving a message on her machine?
	Yeah, this is a message on the machine.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	812883.
	I'll follow up via email and hope to hear back from you.
	Again, I'll be out there in two weeks.
	I want to call her back and go, hey, hey, can you take off your dress?
	What are you wearing right now?
	Doesn't he have kind of a kinky, sexy voice?
	Yeah, yeah, listen.
	Hey, Adam.
	Hey, Adam.
	Corey Hubbard with the Coalition to Reduce Spending, giving you a call to follow up on that.
	I like a hippie chick voice.
	Maybe.
	Yeah, but wait.
	Listen for a second.
	I'm working with a couple people that used to work for Gary Johnson back in when he was running for president.
	Yeah, listen, listen.
	She has a very slight, very slight thing going on.
	In 2012.
	And we got your name.
	We thought you'd be interested in what we're working on now.
	Here, here it comes.
	Listen, listen.
	I'm going to be out in San Francisco in two weeks.
	I wanted to see if you could spare 20 to 30 minutes and sit down with me briefly.
	Oh, I'll sit down with you briefly.
	I got some ideas for you.
	I want to call her back.
	What is wrong with you?
	I want to call her back and harass her and go, Hey, Corey.
	Yeah, I got to 20 or 30.
	You know, I want you to sit down briefly, but over here.
	Or debriefly, if you don't mind.
	Sit in my lap.
	People, stop calling me.
	I know all you want is money, Peter Schiff.
	How does Peter Schiff now get my number?
	Peter Schiff?
	That's what she said.
	If they want money from you, why don't they just get it from him?
	Well, which leads me to belief he's a scam.
	He's got no money.
	It's possible.
	A lot of these guys are that way.
	He's got no money.
	Peter Schiff.
	What's he up to?
	He's always predicting the end of the world.
	He's like one of those perpetual bears.
	Yeah.
	End of the world.
	Yeah, here you go.
	Peter Schiff.
	This is the classic.
	Peter Schiff.
	Gold is on the verge of his biggest rally ever.
	I buy that, by the way.
	I'm totally in on that.
	Yeah, you are.
	And this keeps falling.
	Mm-hmm.
	By the way, reality will clobber Japan, says Peter Schiff.
	I do want to make very clear that I love my wife and that I need no other sex but sex from her.
	Because I think at a certain point she listens to the show, it's got to eat at her.
	And she goes, what is wrong with this guy?
	It's got to eat at her.
	It sure does.
	It's show business.
	She's amazing.
	Send pictures.
	What is wrong with my husband?
	Something's wrong with my husband.
	Send pictures.
	And I can always say, it's the Tourette's, honey.
	It's just the Tourette's.
	Highline in the Examiner from last year.
	Cher has new crush on TV host.
	What is this?
	Wants to settle down.
	Done with bikers.
	This story just kind of came and went.
	What are you talking about?
	It was Chris Hayes, that douchebag on MSNBC. No.
	That's who Cher was with?
	No, she had a crush on him.
	She made a big stink about it.
	Chris Hayes?
	It was just when Hayes was getting upgraded on MSNBC. And this was a publicity stunt, apparently.
	Wear masks to protect from MERS coronavirus.
	Saudi officials ask pilgrims.
	Have you noticed this...
	What do you think?
	I'm going to put it in the Red Book.
	I think they're going to try to make hay with this Saudi-specific killer bug.
	Tell me about this.
	You don't know about it?
	No.
	The Middle Eastern...
	MERS, M-E-R-S, which sounds like...
	Oh, yes.
	Middle Eastern Rotovirus or whatever.
	No, Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome.
	Oh, Respiratory Syndrome, yes.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's killing 50% of the people who have it, except for apparently the people who have it and they have no symptoms whatsoever.
	They don't know how to count those.
	Could be everyone.
	And more importantly, the story in the L.A. Times, again about Saudis, which makes me suspicious.
	Saudi Arabian Consulate posted Princess's $5 million bail.
	Yeah, that's all bullcrap.
	Who gives a shit about that?
	I think they're running slaves down there in the home area.
	Well, they are.
	They are running slaves.
	That's exactly what they are.
	Goddamn.
	If you're around the house, step away with your cell phone.
	It's annoying me.
	I can hear that.
	It's nonstop.
	It's like someone's literally...
	I'm looking for the dot on my forehead.
	Where are you?
	Step away.
	I heard it that time.
	It just keeps going.
	And the phone is...
	I've turned the phone off.
	Wait.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry, NSA. Maybe I should take the battery out.
	Is that how I have to do it now?
	Because, you know, you're turning it on remotely or something?
	Is that what it is?
	This will be a good test.
	Take the battery out.
	I'm going to right now.
	Let's see if it stops.
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	The battery is out.
	Let's see if it ends.
	That would be pretty funky, wouldn't it?
	I think it'd be great.
	Battery is out, and I'll let you know if I hear anything.
	So anyway, yeah, they're running slaves, these Saudis.
	Hell yeah!
	So my favorite line was apparently some woman from some black woman.
	Once you get into Saudi Arabia, they tear up your passport and do all these things.
	It's just hilarious.
	Don't marry a Saudi woman.
	There's something you asked me to put in the show notes about the Chinook helicopters flying over Port Angeles.
	Oh yeah, Port Angeles had an invasion.
	By the U.S. Army, I might point out.
	Mimi calls me up during the invasion and I can't hear a word she's saying.
	The choppers are so loud.
	I mean, she says, can you hear that?
	I can hear that better than I can hear you.
	There was apparently a bunch of Chinooks and Apaches and some Jets.
	Flying over in a circle around Port Angeles in the area.
	And they never called the local authorities.
	They got something like 250 phone calls, even though all the news reports says a dozen, which is bullcrap because everyone was calling.
	And apparently it was so loud.
	Dogs are barking and going crazy.
	And then the Army finally turned out to be one of their facilities deciding to do training over the town, which was...
	And we forgot to tell all the citizens of the world, hey, we're going to be flying around, scaring you.
	And it was at like 11.30 to 12, midnight.
	Can I point out that the phone interference has stopped since I took the battery out of the phone that was turned off?
	No, no.
	This is a very significant discovery.
	Hold on a second.
	Let's put it back in.
	I had the phone off, yeah?
	The phone you say was off, yes.
	Well, no, I mean, the power was down.
	You had it turned off.
	Yes, and I put the battery back in.
	Let's see what happens.
	See if it comes back.
	Okay, I'll put it over there.
	Yeah, well, this, of course, has been ongoing.
	We've seen it in Florida.
	We've seen it in many different states, in the Midwest.
	And obviously, it's all to condition you for the coming apocalypse.
	Or condition you for a crackdown.
	Yeah.
	There's plenty of places, you know, especially in the Pacific Northwest, if you want to just fly around like an idiot, wasting probably a million dollars in taxpayers' money over the town of Port Angeles.
	You can just move south a little bit and it's just all woods.
	There's nothing, much of Washington State is very empty.
	Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh!
	Did you hear it?
	No.
	It's back.
	What kind of a phone do you have?
	It's a note, a Galaxy Note?
	Maybe it's just shorting out.
	No, the transmitter is transmitting.
	But it can't be transmitting because you've got it turned off.
	Be quiet, be quiet, be quiet.
	I'm telling you, it is now transmitting again.
	It is not turned on and it's transmitting.
	What does that tell you?
	Yeah, it tells me a lot, believe me.
	Hey, let me turn.
	Oh, there it is.
	Oh, there you go.
	Perfect.
	All right, so this phone is off.
	Okay?
	I'm holding it now near the microphone.
	And I'm going to take...
	And people who...
	And you maybe couldn't hear it through the Skype, but now I'm going to take the battery out again.
	So clearly, you know, this is what they always say.
	It's like, even if your phone is off, they can turn it on.
	They can listen to it.
	It's transmitting your...
	You hear it?
	Did you hear it?
	And now I just took the battery out, so now it should be gone.
	Yeah.
	There you go.
	Big joke.
	Very funny, guys.
	Ha, ha, ha.
	Well, wait a minute.
	If they want to hear anything, why don't they just get to go on the No Agenda stream and they can hear everything.
	You've got a huge microphone.
	And donate.
	Yeah, and donate, you cheapies.
	That's just crazy.
	It's transmitting.
	Well, this is Android, of course.
	It could also just be for advertising purposes.
	It's Google.
	A-holes.
	This is why I'm not carrying a phone anymore.
	But I can't even have it on during the show because it has to...
	Or off during the show because...
	You can't even have it off during the show.
	Yeah, I have to take the battery out.
	Really?
	That's quite...
	Well, one of these days they'll put some mercury batteries in there as backup and then the signals to always work.
	Well, I'm not going to...
	I'm opting out.
	I'm not participating in it anymore.
	I'm really not.
	Bullcrap.
	I have not been carrying this phone around for, ever since I told you, two weeks?
	Yeah.
	I have not used the phone.
	I'm not taking it out.
	I go out without a phone.
	I've been doing that for years.
	I very rarely use my cell phone.
	Yeah, but do you take it with you?
	Sometimes, maybe.
	If I forget it, it's no big deal.
	Well, okay, but for me, I've grown up always having a phone around, and now I'm just like, you want to reach me?
	You can wait.
	I'll talk to you later.
	That's my attitude always.
	Well, I know.
	There's nothing that important.
	What if it's an emergency, someone will say.
	What if it's an emergency?
	What did you do before cell phones when there was an emergency?
	You dealt with it.
	Yeah.
	Oh, it could be an emergency.
	Are you walking around all day with a cell phone because there might be an emergency?
	How many emergency calls have you gotten in the last five years that were so important that you had to take the call immediately and take action?
	You're not a doctor.
	and I'm not expecting those anymore because I've always told my daughter, if you ever need to get home or something and something's wrong or you're drunk or whatever, you call me, no questions asked, I'll make sure you're picked up or I'll pick you up.
	No questions asked.
	That's what I've always said.
	And she called me once, once in the middle of the night and said, Dad, no questions asked.
	She was in London.
	You send a car for me?
	She said, it'll be right there.
	That's once.
	That is really the only time I can remember.
	That's it.
	So that argument is bullcrap.
	She would have done fine going on her own if she couldn't get a hold of you.
	She would have probably been less happy.
	Can we do one last thing here?
	Something that's kind of like regarding Texas and the abortion thing and Battleground, Texas and some information I've dug up?
	Or should we keep that for Thursday?
	It can keep.
	It doesn't really matter.
	Well, if it's, you know, I thought you beat that one to death already, but if you want to do one more thing, why don't you finish it off and then we can close the show and then Thursday we'll be fresh.
	Okay.
	We'll be fresh.
	Yeah.
	So a report came out from the BBC, and it was very interesting.
	It was facts on induced abortion worldwide.
	And someone forwarded this to me, and I'm sorry, that wasn't what it was called.
	It was called something else.
	The BBC, Europe's Abortion Rules, that's what it was called.
	So Europe's Abortion Rules, and you'd be kind of, and this is why I was kind of stunned, thinking, here we are, we're in Texas, we're in crazy red state Texas, horrible Republicans.
	Who actually have the audacity, and this passed, of course, this passed, the bill passed, it's now law in Texas.
	Oh, Wendy didn't get her way?
	Wendy didn't get her way.
	And this is, there's a gestation period of 20 weeks, so five months.
	You cannot just get an abortion legally after five months without there being...
	It's a long time.
	It's quite a long time.
	Of course, danger to the mother, severely disformed, whatever, child will have no life, rape, incest, all that stuff still is on the books, but it was 20 weeks.
	And then the whole making clinics very difficult to stay open, which is just an extrapolation.
	Of course, we know this is probably for Rick Perry's sister, who is going to open up new clinics, which will do this for 10 times the amount of money.
	But that's not what this is about.
	I was very surprised to read the rules in EU countries.
	So I'll just go through some briefly.
	Austria, availability on request, but 12 weeks is the gestation period there, or gestation limit.
	Belgium, 12 weeks.
	A woman must say she's in state of distress.
	Bulgaria on request, 12 weeks.
	Only if the woman is suffering from a proven, documented case of disease.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on a second here.
	I've been led to believe that the great liberal Europe is what we model ourselves after for this sort of thing.
	This was the surprise I had.
	12 weeks, a woman must claim this is France, must be in state of distress because of her pregnancy.
	After 12 weeks, abortions are allowed only if the pregnancy proves a grave danger to the woman's health.
	Germany, a woman must receive proper counseling three days before the procedure.
	This is stuff that has been fought over in America.
	We don't have this.
	Counseling...
	No, counseling is a right-wing plot!
	Twelve weeks in Hungary, a woman must obtain counseling.
	Okay, so I'm like, wow!
	I've been led to believe that the liberal Europe was exactly the opposite.
	So I fire this off on a little email to my respected and loved Obama-bot female friends.
	Oh, this is good.
	Oh, yeah.
	So I get...
	Is this a show closer or is this a show closer?
	You're just like a mean-spirited...
	You're going to be the worst old man.
	Well, I have...
	I mean, I admire this, by the way.
	I stand on the shoulders of giants.
	I'm only admiring this because it's beyond my pale.
	I'm telling you, I stand on the shoulders of giants, John, looking at you.
	So here's the response I get back.
	I wonder if the demand for abortions is lower in Europe due to easier slash free access to birth control.
	Also, sex education has got to be better in Europe than in the U.S. Hello, abstinence-only education!
	So perhaps women don't feel the need to fight for abortion on demand there?
	I'm actually surprised Italy isn't more restrictive.
	I had assumptions that between the influence of the Roman Catholic Church and concerns over the low birth rate of Italians, there'd be stricter abortion laws.
	So now I'm like, hold on a second.
	Nowhere in this document did it mention demand for abortions lower in Europe.
	And so I said, hey, you know, that's not in the document.
	In fact, I found the document, and this is from gutmacher.org, the Gutmacher Institute, which gets its information from the World Health Organization, and its most recent numbers are from 2008.
	And this is what I sent back.
	I said, wow, I'm astonished because if you look at the number of abortions in North America in 2008, it was 1.4 million.
	In Europe, 4.2 million.
	Now, of course, there's differences in populations, so there's also a number for...
	Hold on.
	There's also a number for abortions per 1,000 women.
	North America, for every 1,000 women in 2008, there were 19 abortions.
	In Europe...
	For every 1,000 women, there was 27 abortions.
	So I send this back and I say, holy crap!
	Did you know that this, exactly what you and I were saying, did you know that this free liberal thinking, sex ed, free condoms, free pill, everything Europe, actually has 3 million more abortions per year, 10% more per 1,000 women?
	And I'm flabbergasted by this.
	And I get something back.
	She says, wait a minute.
	And so now my friend, she's like, hey, this is really weird because I have a paper that actually says the opposite, that this is not true.
	Nice.
	Yeah, let me bring it up.
	And I haven't figured out where she got this from, but she's on lists, of course.
	And this is from the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, and their report from October 2012 is titled, Unplanned Pregnancy and Abortion in the United States and Europe, Why So Different?
	And I'm like, wow, this is a gem.
	So first of all, the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy is a non-governmental organization.
	And from the CDC, the Centers for Disease Control, alone, it received $100 million.
	Well-funded organization.
	Yes.
	And I look at this, and the first thing I think, and John, you and I know, when you have an organization like this, you've got to keep the budget.
	The number one thing, when you have this type of organization with this kind of money, your number one mission is to keep the organization going.
	We're not going to solve anything.
	Would you agree that that's kind of what you have to do?
	Yeah, that's what you want to do, too.
	This is a payday.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so the title of this report is Misleading at Best.
	Again, Unintended Pregnancy in the U.S. and Europe.
	Why so different?
	Which, of course, implies there's a huge difference.
	And we know the difference is, yeah, in Europe they're a lot higher.
	Now here's the, I'm not going to read the whole abstract, but a little piece from the abstract.
	And this is, of course, what my friend had read.
	Quote, Abortion rates have declined significantly in the United States since 1981, but remain higher than many European countries.
	Hello?
	Bingo!
	There's your keyword, many European countries.
	There's probably a couple that...
	Trick, trick, tricky.
	So again, the title is Unplanned Pregnancy and Abortion in the United States and Europe.
	Why so different?
	Not in many countries in Europe.
	In fact, the study they did, John, was in a whopping four European countries of the 28th.
	I'm sure that France and Italy and the United Kingdom and Poland and Portugal and Spain are very sad they were left out because what they chose were the Netherlands and Belgium, which you can almost call one country, Germany and Sweden.
	And they took the numbers from these four countries and extrapolated it out, and this is the great thing.
	In the report, they actually used the same, they referenced the same Guttmacher numbers for America and showed the same 1.4 million abortions, 19 per 1,000.
	But they never show the European number.
	They only extrapolate these four countries.
	And nowhere is there mention of, I don't know, the fact that they're all monarchies, which is a totally different political structure.
	There's no reference that in these exact countries, cities have huge Muslim populations.
	Amsterdam, 14%.
	Brussels, 25%.
	Berlin, 10%.
	Malmo, 20%.
	None of this is in the study.
	No, it's all about, oh, they have much better sex education and have free health care and all this.
	And meanwhile, I could take four states from America and make our number even lower or much higher, depending on which state you want.
	Yeah, no, it's obviously a scam.
	If I took Delaware, Florida, New York, and Connecticut, the average...
	Your point has long since been made.
	This is just manipulated.
	This is like if they're cooking the books.
	They've cooked the books.
	So you'll appreciate in their summary, this report has sought to generate suggestive evidence, no kidding, on which predictors might account for the high rate of abortion in the U.S. relative to Europe, which is a lie, and which might be most fruitfully explored in future research.
	Send us more money.
	That's what that means.
	Yes!
	Of course it is!
	Can you believe this shit?
	This is everything.
	And to bring it right back around like they like to do on the talk shows, it's all about global warming.
	That's right, we're all going to die.
	Enjoy that.
	It's all about global warming.
	If only they had put that in there.
	Clearly the abortion rate is much higher due to global warming.
	I would have felt better than the we need to do more studies.
	Yeah, how about study the other countries that make up Europe?
	Hilarious.
	All right.
	Well, I guess I can put the battery back in so that they can listen to our after show.
	Yeah.
	Because, you know, they really want...
	Probably the best part of the show for them.
	What are they saying?
	What is their methodology for picking the art?
	Unfortunately, that's pretty much it.
	Darn.
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	Who doesn't?
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