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	You like the redhead?
	Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
	It's Thursday, July 11th, 2013.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 529er.
	This is no agenda.
	Nuts!
	Sponsored by Soros here at the Travis Heights Hideout in Austin, Texas.
	Capital of the Drone Star State.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where it's a little earlier than usual, I'm John C. Devorak.
	Right on.
	Oh, big, big problems.
	Well, we're early and everything falls apart.
	The whole infrastructure, the entire network is...
	If people pay attention, they wouldn't.
	Well, I don't know.
	I'm not in charge of all that.
	Listening to the show?
	No, I think we're...
	So I don't believe we're streaming live, but I would say the majority of people hear the show on the podcast anyway.
	I would think so.
	Yeah.
	So what are we doing?
	Why are we early?
	We're an hour earlier than normal.
	What's going on?
	I've got to miss my daughter's birthday.
	Oh, that's right.
	And I've got things to do.
	That's right.
	How old is she?
	Wait a minute.
	Let me guess.
	Is she 19 or 20?
	Ah!
	You hit it.
	Both?
	She's 19 or 20.
	19 or 20.
	She's 19.
	Wow.
	How fast it goes, John?
	Yeah.
	Yep!
	Yep!
	Now what?
	I don't know.
	Don't worry.
	For me, it hasn't ended.
	My kid's going to be 23 at the end of August.
	It doesn't end.
	Are you charging these kids rent yet?
	She's getting pretty old.
	Christina?
	Thanks.
	So, I don't charge the kids rent.
	You should.
	What do you think is an ogre?
	Paying rent or you're getting out.
	Yeah, that's what my parents did and it took me three weeks.
	Look at your parent.
	Well, I mean, your dad just sitting by himself.
	He'd probably like to have you hanging around the house a little bit.
	I'm not so sure.
	But he's not doing too well, actually.
	No, that's been the case since we started the show.
	It's true.
	Yeah, no, that's true.
	But now he's really not doing so well.
	But you go say hi to him.
	I'm going to go say hi to him.
	We're leaving.
	Yeah, I'm going to come on party with you guys.
	You are not coming to party with us whatsoever.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm heading out.
	I'm getting tickets now.
	Shall I tell you what our schedule is so everyone kind of knows?
	Yeah, I think you should.
	So you can target me appropriately?
	We should also mention, yeah, we've got a couple issues with a couple missing shows.
	Well, not really missing shows because we're going to fill them up with some outstanding content.
	There's no doubt about it.
	But we've decided to take two shows off this year during the summer.
	Two whole shows.
	And wait a minute.
	Stop.
	Stop for a second.
	I want to point out to everybody...
	Oh, no!
	I want to point out to everybody...
	That we've been doing the show for close to six years, our six-year anniversary is in October.
	Coming up.
	And we've never taken one show off.
	Hold on, hold on.
	We did a clip show for Christmas a couple years ago.
	And when I got married, everyone gave me a show off.
	Remember that?
	Yeah.
	It was almost a year ago when Mickey and I got married.
	Is that when we did 200.5?
	I think that's when we did 300.
	I don't know.
	I don't remember.
	I don't know how many episodes ago that was.
	Yeah, but we actually did a show.
	No, no.
	We still have a show.
	Yeah, of course.
	And it's not like we're going to go dark, right?
	No, we can't do that.
	Didn't we decide to put...
	I'm going to put an interview on.
	No, no, no.
	Go dark.
	Oh, it shows off the air.
	I'm done.
	We can't go dark.
	So Thursday we have the show next week.
	Then Friday Miss Mickey and I haul off to Amsterdam.
	Then on Sunday I do the show from Amsterdam using the new Ultimate Podcast device.
	Yes, this will be a good field test.
	Yeah, so I've been on it for the past two shows and I'm still kind of working on all the fine tuning.
	Not the same as a field test.
	Not the same as a field test, exactly.
	How many tubes are in this thing?
	Zero.
	Okay.
	But we are replicating tube design, that's for sure, with dual rail power.
	It has an AC power adapter.
	Will it do 220?
	Yeah, of course it'll do 220, with a separate adapter.
	This is why all these companies do DC adapters, because they're cheap.
	I've learned a lot.
	You wind up doing a lot of balancing and biasing internally if you use DC power instead of having your own power on boards.
	You've got dual rail.
	The whole thing is high-end.
	It's going to be great once it's done, which will be maybe sometime near Christmas.
	Who knows?
	What do you think it would sell for?
	Oh, it's going to have to be $400.
	I can't do it for any less.
	$399.99?
	No, no.
	I think it's going to be...
	In fact, I would even say it'd have to be $499.99.
	But you can replicate the best podcast in the universe with this thing.
	I mean, it's set up to do it.
	Okay.
	It's a mixer.
	It's all your process.
	If you had to buy all the elements individually, it would be $1,000.
	All right.
	Well, it sounds like a deal.
	Anyway.
	And it's lightweight and small.
	Yes.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, wait until you see this module.
	It's like a cigarette pack.
	That's how small it is.
	So on Monday...
	Tiny knobs?
	Very tiny knobs.
	But for you, we'll make really giant knobs.
	We'll make a special John system.
	On Monday we go to the south of France to my dear friend Michel the Gangster.
	He's got a house down there.
	This is the elite of the elite.
	Does he listen to the show?
	Oh, he's a huge fan of the show.
	He's all over the reptiles.
	I haven't seen his donor nomenclature.
	Michel?
	I think he donates in other ways.
	If you're looking for Latour...
	I've been looking for Latour.
	Yeah, but if you happen to be in the south of France, you're looking for Latour.
	That's where I'm going.
	Right, exactly.
	And from there, we're going to drive to Florence to visit Willow.
	Florence, are you going to do a meet-up?
	Yeah, well, sure.
	Come on, do a meet-up.
	I'll do a huge meet-up in Florence.
	I'm sure there's tons of No Agenda listeners in Italy.
	Right.
	I think there's two.
	Yeah, Willow and Willow.
	And then after, let me see, I think four, three days in Florence, we're going to...
	Oh, and of course, Miss Mickey's going to visit our brain professor's friend at the university there, you know, to look at more brains or whatever.
	You know how that goes.
	I have Nixon's brain.
	I have.
	I've had it on ice for a long time.
	And then we fly back to Amsterdam.
	We're there for five or six days.
	Now you do a meet-up there.
	We could.
	I'm going to visit my daughter, of course.
	And then we fly back.
	And actually, when we're back in Amsterdam, then I do another show.
	So the only shows that we're not doing are July 25th and July 28th.
	And then I'll be doing two shows from Amsterdam, both field tests with the new box.
	I think the 28th may be the Indianapolis NASCAR event.
	Oh, really?
	I might just go down to that.
	See if we can get anyone to...
	We have a contact within the organization, not within the organization, but within the publicity world surrounding NASCAR to get a no agenda sticker on one of these.
	Yeah, how cool is that?
	I love it.
	I love it.
	Let me ask you a question, John.
	This hit me this morning as the news report started coming out.
	Why is it, and I'm certainly not going to accept it any longer, why is it people accept Courtroom sketches the way they are drawn.
	The whole concept of, okay, we can't have cameras in the court.
	For whatever reason, but then we're going to have a sketch.
	And these sketches are always like an artist's interpretation.
	There's plenty of people.
	You go to Central Park.
	There's guys who can sketch you perfectly.
	You look fantastic.
	It's like, that's you!
	They can do a caricature, for all I care.
	But the courtroom sketches that are being done, it can only be to hide the fact that there's no court session going on.
	There's just nothing.
	Have you seen the reports about Chernaev?
	Yeah, the Shania stuff is quite interesting.
	The latest is that it may not be him.
	It's not him!
	Of course it's not.
	Why else would you not allow cameras in the courtroom?
	During this court proceeding, Anderson, he was looking around.
	He kept touching his face.
	He was fidgeting.
	And he was almost as if he was ignoring what was going on.
	The judge was speaking to him.
	He didn't look at her.
	And then as the charges were read against him, he did stand up and he said not guilty to each of those charges.
	Now hold on a second.
	He confessed to everything.
	How can he now say not guilty?
	What's going on with that?
	This makes no sense.
	By the way, I think it's the same actor who played the redhead in Colorado.
	Yeah, it's the same guy, exactly.
	In a Russian accent.
	And what's so interesting about it, that is that after court, I ran into a couple of his wrestling buddies from high school, and they said they were stunned.
	He never had a Russian accent when they knew him.
	And they came to court because they wanted to see it.
	This was the same guy, and they just said, you know, it wasn't.
	Now, So here we have the actual report saying it's not the same guy.
	He speaks with a Russian accent.
	Never heard him do that before.
	Now, here's what's happening.
	If you look at the broad scope of things right now, and today, of course, we have some breaking news happening now in the George Zimmerman trial, which, who gives a crap?
	If you really look at the two situations, let's look at it face value.
	Here we have a divide-and-conquer trial, which is what that is all about, which has been going on for weeks now.
	It seems like weeks.
	Months?
	With Zimmerman?
	CNN has switched to an all-new 24-7 Zimmerman format.
	This is a format you can sell around the world.
	This is the Zimmerman news format.
	But if you look, okay, one guy dead.
	Yeah, huge implications, perhaps.
	But then over here we have the Boston bombing, which will have long, resounding implications upon our security state, the crouch and cower, all the things, you know, martial law, multiple people killed.
	According to the same CNN, 260 people wounded, yet we have no cameras in the courtroom.
	And we only have one or two morons who are so-called victims who are being interviewed.
	And this is the package that was on every single news station, the exact same package, I will remind you.
	This morning after making his first court appearance since the deadly attacks in April.
	Joe Herzog and I have pleading not guilty to terror charges and he repeated that not guilty seven times.
	Meantime, dozens of bombing survivors, they came face to face.
	Dozens.
	Dozens came...
	You have to pay attention to the words.
	Dozens came face to face.
	However, we only got two outside the courtroom who didn't really seem like they could even talk.
	With this 19-year-old accused terrorist.
	So people in the courtroom said that he almost smirked during the hearing.
	Some people said he...
	What is this?
	This is an important trial and we can't see it.
	What determines, John, when we can or cannot see something on television when it comes to a trial?
	Is this national security?
	Is there something going on that we can't see this guy?
	Right, but what is the reasoning?
	What does the judge...
	What is the judge's reasoning behind this?
	I could not find it.
	There's not a consistent play on this.
	Every judge has his own theory.
	They don't want to do it.
	They don't want to turn to a carnival.
	They have a million excuses, and they just refuse to do it.
	Some don't do it, some do.
	I don't know.
	Nicole Oliverio is live at the courthouse now in South Boston with more.
	Nicole.
	That's right, Canada.
	These proceedings lasted only seven minutes.
	But as you can imagine, inside the courtroom here at the Mowgli Courthouse, it was emotionally packed.
	And the victims and their families.
	Emotionally packed.
	What does that even mean?
	This is a lie.
	I've stayed away from all this for a long time.
	This report, this woman was not in the courtroom.
	I do not know anyone who was actually there, except, well, you'll hear the two boneheads she gets at the end of this report.
	...who spoke would say they didn't expect much more from the alleged suspect.
	Appearing in an orange jumpsuit, his hair disheveled, but his voice...
	Hello?
	His hair disheveled?
	I think it's disheveled, is it not?
	It's disheveled, yeah.
	He could be disheveled.
	He could be disheveled if you hit him over the head with a shovel.
	Disheveled?
	Are you kidding me?
	Appearing in an orange jumpsuit, his hair disheveled with his voice strong as he pled not guilty seven times.
	The public got their first look at the man accused of killing three people and destroying hundreds of lives the day of the Boston Marathon.
	I don't know, I actually felt sick to my stomach.
	It's very emotional for me.
	It was kind of eerie, kind of upsetting, but then again I felt good that I was able to be there.
	Okay, so those are the entire two people they have in this report.
	Sound like two typical man on the street reports.
	Thanks.
	And they filmed them on the street.
	There were 260 people claimed wounded.
	Multiple deaths.
	Where are...
	If this had happened to any...
	Even if my daughter had been slightly wounded, I'd be there.
	I'd be outside yelling at the cameras.
	I'd be doing all kinds of stuff.
	They had these two people with fanny packs and sunglasses...
	I'm sorry.
	I'm just not buying it anymore.
	And then we have the Zimmerman trial to give us some courtroom feel which is going on 24-7.
	This is a huge, huge mistake that we are witnessing right now.
	It really is.
	This is not okay.
	Well, what's the mistake?
	The mistake is that we allow ourselves to be snookered into still looking at these stupid sketches and then believe that this is taking place.
	I don't even think this is taking place, John.
	Prove it to me.
	Prove to me that there is a trial taking place.
	Well, I mean, you have a...
	I can't.
	That's the problem.
	I think there is, but I can't prove it.
	All I want is a little proof.
	I'll be with you on this one.
	I think we should...
	All these cases should be televised.
	Should be televised, and I'm...
	And why not?
	They're open to the public.
	There's a gallery in there.
	You can go in there if you can get in there early enough.
	Well, apparently you can't.
	Why can't you watch it on television?
	This is the 21st century.
	And this is like a big, big-time case.
	And why not a picture?
	Why not a picture?
	Why not a regular picture?
	Why do we have to suffice with a stupid drawing?
	Why not a photograph?
	A photograph, yes.
	Why not a photograph?
	Why do we accept this?
	This is not 1892, where they had to go develop.
	No, there's no reason for this.
	There is no reason that we can't have a photograph.
	And why doesn't anyone?
	Well, one of the reasons for no photographs at some point, this is, by the way, no longer valid, was the shutters were distracting.
	And, of course, if you go to any of these press conferences with Clippity Clop or anybody else, you hear click, click, click, click, click.
	But there are...
	Plenty of cameras.
	Wait a minute.
	Wait a minute.
	You're telling me that the sketches didn't start because of distracting camera sounds.
	You can't tell me that.
	For the purposes of, you know, before there were cameras, let's say in the 1800s.
	Yeah.
	And then when cameras came to be, there were huge clunkers.
	There were these giant press cameras with a big flash.
	And so then when they finally had short little cameras, they made a lot of racket.
	They still...
	Most of them do.
	You're making my point for me, of course.
	And now, of course, you have cameras that make zero noise.
	Use an iPhone to get better...
	I was going to say, there's not a single person who was able to sneak in an iPhone or a camera or something.
	Everyone went through a metal detector.
	Is that what happened?
	Did everyone go through a slave scanner?
	You can't be in there on the iPhone.
	Right.
	Well, I'm just not accepting it anymore.
	It is no longer acceptable in the 21st century...
	To not have at least a photograph of what is taking place in the courtroom.
	It invigorates conspiracy theory Right.
	As we're witnessing with you.
	Right.
	So stop it.
	There is no trial.
	It's not taking place.
	Stop it.
	Prove it to me.
	And by the way, everyone's saying, well, the guy who we think is there, who we have no evidence, no video or photographic evidence, he's not the guy.
	He's taller.
	He speaks with a Russian accent.
	He's not guilty.
	Yeah, of course he's not guilty.
	It's not him.
	He didn't do anything.
	What am I even doing here?
	I just woke up here.
	I got a headache.
	What's going on?
	There is so much craziness.
	And this is just the tip of the iceberg.
	I have been running into so many things.
	I think I need to start it off with the snow job.
	I found out some stuff that is really, really quite disturbing.
	Uh-oh.
	Yeah, it's really quite disturbing.
	Let me get the pen.
	Yeah.
	Well, first, let me see.
	I need to remind everyone.
	Let's just go back to a couple shows ago when we had the Charlie Rose Show.
	And it's very important.
	If you're new to this program, You know, we have to bring back these clips from time to time so you really understand how things work.
	Edward Snowden did not drop a file on a server.
	You know, he didn't put out a BitTorrent of all these documents.
	They've not been floating around the world.
	In fact, exactly like WikiLeaks, he went to two press organizations.
	Turns out he actually went to a third, which we'll talk about in a moment, which is where my surprise comes from.
	And those press outlets, they determine what is going to be published.
	They have made everything public.
	Right after consulting with the government.
	And that is what I wanted to replay, just so we are reminded that this is the editor of The Guardian talking about what she did, and she is the editor-at-large, I believe, and her senior editor, all Brits, of course, is there on The Charlie Rose Show, and they went to the government and they talked about what they wanted to publish.
	Do you believe national security of the United States has been damaged?
	I do not, and we have consulted with the authorities about everything that we have published, and we've invited them with the NSA, with the White House, the DNI. So you've asked them, is this damaging to national security, and is there any real reason we should not publish this?
	We've invited specific national security concerns about, we've let them know what we're going to publish, and, you know, to the specifics of which slide, of which presentation, or which document, on which date, Tell me how that happens, because it's interesting to me.
	It's come up before with other news organizations in the United States.
	Do you go to NSA authorities, whether it's General Alexander or someone else, and say, this is what we're prepared to publish?
	What's the next part of the question?
	Well, in this situation, you're not really asking a question, because you have the information.
	You're saying, I'm going to publish this.
	What's your response?
	You're saying, this is what we have.
	Do you have a specific national security concern that you would like to alert us to?
	That's a question.
	Well, yes, that is a question.
	Or, we are inviting you to raise.
	Right.
	And then, we don't guarantee that we will agree with their interpretation, but what we're saying is, we'd like to hear that.
	And you heard it.
	Actually, we haven't heard specific national security concerns.
	They never expressed any national security specific concerns.
	No.
	Okay.
	So they never expressed any specific national security concerns because they want this to happen.
	They wanted this to take place.
	And I think I can put together a pretty good picture now of all the players involved.
	Now, what has happened...
	So let's say this took place.
	Well, by the way, I want to remind listeners that there's one element in there which we have to consider for all the analysis, which is they gave him the documents and said, nah, no problem.
	And then everybody made a fuss.
	Right.
	In fact...
	So in other words, a lot of acting is taking place.
	And let's take a look at three actors right now before we go to the best actor of all, which would be our president.
	Here is a big new Brzezinski on the Fareed Zakaria program, and he kind of sets it up.
	Now, Brzezinski was a big guy in the Bush 1 regime, I believe.
	It was back to Nixon.
	Oh, yes.
	No, I'm sorry.
	He was Nixon's...
	Wasn't he...
	I don't think he was ever Secretary of State, but he was...
	Yeah, I don't think so.
	Anyway.
	Go on.
	But Brzezinski, and of course Brzezinski's daughter, Mika, she's on the Morning Joe show, so the Brzezinski empire reaches.
	Well, think of Daniel Ellsberg.
	Now, Daniel Ellsberg is important in this case because I'm not so sure Daniel Ellsberg was entirely clean either.
	Daniel Ellsberg took his...
	It was kind of the same model if you look at it.
	He took the so-called Pentagon Papers to the New York Times, I believe.
	Right, John?
	Yep.
	There was no servers for him to upload it to at the time, so that was kind of the way.
	And I have a feeling the New York Times also did something very similar, and it might have benefited some people to release this information in the manner that it was released.
	Now, Ellsberg is brought in kind of as the granddaddy of doing this kind of stuff, and it's interesting how he is portrayed versus Bradley Manning or Edward Snowden.
	He was against our policy in Vietnam.
	He revealed classified documents.
	He did it in the United States and was prepared to face music.
	He may have been misguided, but he certainly was patriotic.
	What did this guy do?
	He goes to China and then he goes to Russia.
	Both countries that would like to replace us on top of the global totem pole.
	And Russia, certainly under Putin, is far from being friendly to the United States.
	So what are his motives?
	Who is he trying to appeal to?
	Who are his allies that he made his choice?
	In other words, I'm very skeptical about his motivations.
	Maybe he's psychologically mixed up, but he's certainly no friend of the United States objectively and maybe even subjectively.
	So here's Brzezinski basically saying the guy's a spy for China and or Russia.
	So that's one way of looking at it.
	Now, in the same show, we have Richard Haass, who is an elite douchebag from the Council on Foreign Relations.
	Machiavelli once said that you can tell somebody by the people he has around them, well, this character, the countries that are potentially willing to take him are essentially outliers.
	And that tells you something.
	They're really outside.
	To the extent there even is an international community, they're not part of it.
	This has turned into a farce, but we should not forget wrapped around this farce.
	It's a tragedy.
	Hold on a second.
	You're going to have to wind it back a little bit because this guy's on a roll.
	I was waiting for you to catch this.
	But wait a minute.
	So they're outliers.
	China and Russia are not part of the international community.
	No, they are not.
	Everything we buy is from China.
	China is the most up-and-coming country in the world.
	What do you mean?
	Who is this guy trying to pull?
	This guy should be called out.
	Does Rose call him out for being full of crap?
	It's not Rose.
	This is Fareed Zakaria.
	Oh, it's Zakaria.
	Oh, never mind.
	Do I need to say more?
	No, Zakaria won't call anyone out.
	He's agreeing.
	If anybody's an anti-American, it's that guy.
	I think Zakaria is also on the Council of Foreign Relations.
	Is he not?
	I have a feeling he is.
	He might be.
	He probably is, but the point is...
	Well, if they let Aaron Burnett in...
	Redoing the Constitution, throwing it out, and all the rest of it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So, this guy's short, and then we'll get to the final one.
	That tells you something.
	They're really outside, to the extent there even is an international community.
	There's not even an international community, just so you know.
	There's nothing really going on.
	Part of it, this has turned into a farce, but we should not forget, wrapped around this farce, it's a tragedy.
	This guy is not a whistle.
	Is this guy Woody Allen?
	He's a felon.
	He committed treason.
	He's not a felon.
	He's not been convicted of anything, and he did not commit treason.
	He's not a felon, and he's not a traitor.
	He's floating around.
	This guy's full of crap.
	If Snowden manages to squeak through this thing unscathed, this guy gets sued.
	That is terrible.
	Total libel.
	Americans and others around the world, less safe.
	So when I call Hillary Clinton a lying, killing douchebag, am I libelous?
	She's a public official.
	You can call her anything you want.
	It would be fun at times to talk about him the way the media is, but this is serious stuff.
	People will be vulnerable because of the way that he has tipped off groups and individuals who want to do us severe harm.
	So wherever he ends up, in an airport lounge or in Venezuela or wherever, his legacy We'll be truly destructive.
	And this, of course, we know to be not true because otherwise our national security apparatus would have said so to The Guardian prior to publishing.
	Right.
	So these guys are essentially in there to do what they're supposed to do, which is to slander the guy.
	We're not done yet.
	We still have the Wall Street Journal.
	Ah, they're going to slander him, too.
	Brett Stevens.
	We're a government spy, and we're realists also, and all governments have intelligence agencies, and they have legal controls which operate and which operated at the NSA under multiple administrations.
	So I agree with both of these comments.
	You know, Martin Luther King wrote a letter from a Birmingham jail.
	What is Snowden going to write?
	A letter from a Moscow transit lounge?
	Oh!
	A letter from a Venezuelan four-star hotel.
	Wait, wait.
	First of all, you had a false comparison here.
	Yeah, of course.
	He's comparing this guy to Martin Luther King.
	Who was not a whistleblower by any means.
	Not a whistleblower?
	No.
	What is this guy coming up with this?
	What is this guy's name?
	This shows you Brett Stevens.
	This shows you the level of quality of journalism in the United States.
	And this is not a guy who was willing to pay the price for the civil disobedience.
	He thought he was committing.
	He's also not a whistleblower.
	He went into the NSA with the intention to reveal secrets.
	It's not like he got there and said, oh...
	This, by the way, has been disputed by everyone, so I find it interesting.
	Including, in fact, the last interview that Greenwald did with him.
	That Greenwald published.
	We don't know if Greenwald's doing interviews with anybody, but it's been published, yes.
	No, that first interview you did in Hong Kong.
	Yeah, I'm getting there.
	Let me take you there in fast pace.
	Jeez, terrible things are happening.
	I need to reveal this to the public at large.
	One comment, though, which is we're holding Snowden.
	We want to hold Snowden morally accountable.
	Someone needs to ask, how is it that after the Bradley Manning incident...
	You can still have a 29-year-old contractor, not even working for the government itself, essentially walking into the sanctum sanctorum of our American intelligence establishment and putting so much information on a zip drive.
	I assume this is a...
	No, he seems to know everything.
	Zip drive, the sanctum sanctorum, he's 29.
	Hold on a second.
	Let's stop there.
	Zip drive.
	Yes, seriously.
	Hello, 1980 calling.
	Yeah.
	You're right.
	You put it on a zip drive.
	Hey, I'm coming into the office.
	What is that under your arm?
	I've got a zip drive.
	What?
	Thank you.
	Good point.
	Does that thing even work?
	Good point.
	Do you have drivers for that?
	Will that work on Windows 8?
	Good point.
	Point well made.
	One for Dvorak.
	We'll mark you up there.
	Large quantity of information.
	Someone within the intelligence establishment has to say, why do we let this happen again and again?
	It's funny because people used to always say, we need to share more intelligence.
	Government is too siloed.
	And now when you share intelligence, it turns out the Bradley Mannings of the world and the Edward Snowdens of the world end up with too much intelligence.
	There's probably some happy median.
	We've got to go.
	Okay, the happy median.
	That's what Fareed Zakaria is pushing towards.
	And he's saying that for a reason because he has personal meetings with the president.
	He goes to the White House by himself.
	You know, a little sit-down, a little chat to talk about the agenda.
	This is well-known, well-publicized.
	And I think that this was a very elaborate setup.
	I'm just going to say that the Guardian, just to give them a little time, that the Guardian probably had this information around the beginning of May.
	Because this went on for a while and we can point to some specific dates.
	So maybe they had this around the first or second week of May.
	June 7th.
	So this is over a month ago.
	Here's what the President said when Snowden was not known yet, but the documents had been published.
	I'm absolutely certain that all the safeguards are being properly observed.
	Now, having said all that, you'll remember when I made that speech a couple of weeks ago about the need for us to shift out of A perpetual war mindset.
	I specifically said that one of the things that we're going to have to discuss and debate is how are we striking this balance between the need to keep the American people safe and our concerns about privacy.
	Because there are some trade-offs involved.
	I welcome this debate.
	And I think it's healthy for our democracy.
	I think it's a sign of maturity.
	So here he is saying, I welcome the debate, and it appears to me the debate was wanted all along.
	He points back to the speech he had a couple weeks ago.
	That was the May 23rd speech when he was interrupted by the so-called protester who interrupted him three times when he was talking.
	Mainly we thought about drones.
	I've always said you've got to be real careful with this guy because he's slick, man.
	He puts stuff in and it comes back and he says, hey, remember I told you that?
	I told you so.
	I did mention that.
	And let's go back to May 23rd and listen to what he said about the balance between freedom and privacy when Snowden was not on the radar.
	Nothing had happened yet as far as we knew it from the public eye.
	Thwarting homegrown plots presents particular challenges in part because of our proud commitment to civil liberties for all who call America home.
	That's why in the years to come, we will have to keep working hard to strike the appropriate balance between our need for security and preserving those freedoms that make us who we are.
	That means reviewing the authorities of law enforcement, so we can intercept new types of communication, but also build in privacy protections to prevent abuse.
	And what has happened since all this went down?
	We now have the new rat-on-your-colleague program that the President has instated, so if we're government contractors, we're all looking out at each other.
	Is this guy, is he a crook?
	I mean, this is totally, this is the way you start a complete police state.
	Well, you really kickstart it when you get the Gestapo looking at each other.
	That's when it really gets dangerous.
	But I looked at all the actors in this.
	Now, we have the following people.
	We have Glenn Greenwald.
	We have Ellsberg.
	He's involved.
	He's showing up in interviews.
	Oh, yeah.
	We have...
	Who are some of the other people that we find interesting?
	John Perry Barlow is out there with WikiLeaks.
	I suspect him of working for somebody.
	We have Jacob Applebaum, who now all of a sudden is also a reporter.
	Now, Jacob Applebaum, who is credited with, I think, doing the Onion Router or the Tor network, but he is the guy that became a spokesperson for Julian Assange, and he's the guy that tipped me off to...
	I keep forgetting her real name.
	I call her Lainey Rufenstahl.
	That's not her name.
	Poitras.
	Poitras.
	Laura Poitras.
	Now all of a sudden he's in Der Spiegel and he's been doing interviews with Snowden.
	And he's the one that says, well, I interviewed Snowden over encrypted communications channels.
	This is in the Indisch Spiegel.
	And he says that Snowden has admitted to him, Jacob Applebaum, that the NSA created Stuxnet and did it with the Israelis.
	And so this is now a big story.
	So I'm looking at all these guys, and then I read this story in Salon.
	And I've got to read, this is an interview with Laura Poitras.
	And let me just pull this up for a second, because what happened is Snowden went to her first, according to her account.
	And why would he do that?
	Well, that was one of the questions, I think.
	This is kind of an oral interview, just question-answer printed, so it was very interesting.
	How did this all begin?
	I was originally contacted in January anonymously.
	This is how far back this goes.
	By Edward Snowden, well, I didn't know who it was.
	What was the format?
	Via email, it said, I want to get your encryption key.
	Let's get on a secure channel.
	And he didn't say what it was about.
	No, he just said that was the first and the second was I have some information in the intelligence community and it won't be a waste of your time.
	Do you get a lot of those kinds of requests?
	No, I don't.
	Did you immediately know what was the best, most secure protocol to go about it?
	Actually, I did.
	Okay, let's stop there.
	This is odd if you ask me.
	She's a documentary filmmaker.
	Well, then again, she has a great backstory.
	You know, let me just remind people of her backstory.
	Her backstory, and we actually played some clips of her.
	You probably don't remember, but it was over almost a couple years ago.
	We played some clips of her when she was on Democracy Now!
	and being harassed by the government.
	Yeah, she's been, like me, she's been harassed and been held up at the border.
	Big deal.
	This has happened to me many times.
	But she had a very worried look.
	She looked like she was about to cry during the whole thing.
	She does look very...
	She has a great look.
	Yeah.
	Okay, go on.
	I said, actually, I did know how to go about it.
	I've had lots of experience because I've been working with, as you note in your thing, I've done filming with WikiLeaks.
	I know Jacob Applebaum.
	I've already had encryption keys, but what he was asking for was beyond what I was using in terms of security anonymity.
	And how did it proceed from there?
	Well, that's where I'm not going into a lot of details, but sort of ongoing correspondence.
	I didn't know.
	I didn't have any biographical details or where he worked.
	Had no idea.
	He made claims and said that he had documentation.
	At that point it was all completely theoretical.
	Why do you think he contacted you?
	Well, I can't speak for him.
	I think he told me he'd contacted me because my border harassment meant that I'd be a person who had been selected.
	To be selected, and he went through a whole litany of things, means that everything you do, every friend you have, every purchase you make, every street you cross means you're being watched.
	You probably don't like how this system works.
	I think you can tell the story.
	Now, this to me almost makes no sense.
	This, you know, Laura Poitras is a filmmaker.
	Unless you wanted to have, you know, get a feature film role, why would you contact her specifically if you know that she's being watched by everybody?
	But here's the thing that got me, that sent me into a tailspin.
	I can say from conversation I had with him after that, I think he had a suspicion of mainstream media, and particularly what happened with the New York Times and the warrantless wiretapping story, which as we know was shelved for a year.
	So he expressed that to me, but I think also in his choices of who he contacted, I didn't know he was reaching out to Glenn at that point.
	And here's the line that caught me off guard.
	You and Glenn were already colleagues, right?
	You sit on the board together.
	I'm like, board?
	What board is that?
	That's not...
	Okay.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah, this is a good catch.
	Oh, no, this is beyond.
	Look at the Freedom of the Press Foundation, which you can find at pressfreedomfoundation.org.
	And here they are, ladies and gentlemen.
	The board of directors.
	Are you kidding me?
	So I'm like, wait a minute.
	And you know me.
	When it comes to any good foundation, I'm all over it.
	So I'm looking for the 990s of the Freedom of the Press Foundation.
	It doesn't exist because they are not a real foundation.
	What they do, though, is they take 8% of all donations they bundle, which they hand on to the organizations they benefit.
	The organizations are WikiLeaks, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, Center for Public Integrity, Truth Out, Muck Rock News, National Security Archive, and The Uptake.
	That's who they're promoting this week.
	And they say right there, they take 8% of all donations to, I guess, pay for their own salaries.
	So who's really behind that?
	The Freedom of the Press Foundation.
	Well, it says it right there on their website.
	The Freedom of the Press Foundation is made possible by the fiscal sponsorship of the Foundation for National Progress.
	Gee, what is that, John?
	You tell me, Adam.
	Mother Jones!
	The Foundation for National Progress is...
	They don't even have a website.
	It is MotherJones.com.
	So they are a non-profit.
	They had a nice $9 million income.
	Not bad for a non-profit blog.
	Now, I have to say, they've been publishing for a long time.
	Very interesting history.
	Michael Moore was their editor, got into a huge fight.
	He sued them for $2 million.
	They settled out of court.
	If you look at their reporting on 9-11, they are totally all in on the 9-11 commission report.
	They laugh about the truther movies.
	They laugh about the truther movement.
	They, of course, do not report who's donating this almost $10 million, other than they break it up.
	$2 million is from advertising.
	$4 million is from programs they do, so they have specific, I guess, fund drives, etc., And then there's another 4 million, that's kind of roughly how it's split up, that comes directly from donors who they, by law, do not have to mention.
	But we do see that the George Soros Open Society Institute has donated at least $600,000 to them this year alone.
	So these guys, they're not clean.
	And they are funding, directly funding, Greenwald, Poitras, Barlow, Jardin.
	Come on, people.
	Come on.
	This is getting a little too obvious.
	And Mike is in there, too, that kid.
	Yeah.
	That's a good one.
	That's a good dig.
	But to me, how can you have this freedom of the press foundation?
	It's not okay.
	Our mission is dedicated to helping defend and support aggressive public interest journalism focused on exposing mismanagement, corruption, and law-breaking in government.
	We accept tax-deductible donations to a variety of journalism organizations that push for government transparency and accountability.
	So what big news did they break that showed corruption in the government?
	Nothing.
	Well, they must have done something more than just have a couple of beers together and split up the 900,000.
	Well, all they are is a front group for Mother Jones, essentially.
	Just to go collect money, and then they say that they're giving this money to WikiLeaks, but they're not.
	They collect the money.
	They take 8%, this Freedom of the Press Foundation.
	They give the 92% to Mother Jones, and I guess Mother Jones then gives it to WikiLeaks, although I could find no evidence of that in their Form 990.
	So I'm not so sure they do that.
	Maybe they do, but this Freedom of the Press Foundation is not a real foundation.
	At least they're not registered with the IRS as such or anything that I could find.
	But this group, Zeni Jardin?
	Oh man, I've suspected her for a long time.
	Now I'm sure.
	This is a spook club.
	I'll say it.
	Well, that's a pretty odd group.
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	The only two people that were in the, that aren't even having a wiki pitch is this Trevor Tim and Rainy Reitman.
	I've heard the name Rainy Reitman somewhere, but I'm not sure in what context.
	Also affiliated, according to the wiki, with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which is also knee-deep into this.
	I also am, and I have my suspicions about them.
	I've had my run-ins that were not so great.
	I've had other people with similar complaints.
	Hmm.
	It's an NGO. Yeah, well, yeah, NGO, exactly.
	So when I put all of this together and I look at all the pieces that are on the table, it appears to me that this was a very elaborate setup, and I'm not quite sure who's the patsy in all of this.
	In fact, I will say that the Freedom of the Press Foundation, these guys are probably more patsies than even we realize.
	They really believe That they're great.
	I look at what Glenn Greenwald tweets all day.
	The guy, he's very full of what he's doing.
	And by the way, Glenn, come back to America.
	You know, everyone wants Snowden.
	I want Glenn Greenwald to come back to America.
	Why doesn't he live here?
	Throwing rocks from Brazil, that's easy.
	No.
	No, there's lots of patsies here, and when you hear the President set it up...
	And by the way, well, yeah, go on.
	Almost as a non-sequitur in the conversation about drones and Muslim Americans, and all of a sudden he says, we need to have this conversation about the balance between security and privacy, and then a few weeks later this comes out.
	Please.
	Please.
	I'm not buying the coincidence anymore.
	I'm just not.
	He knew it was coming.
	Whether he was complicit in it or not, he knew it was coming.
	It was known within circles by this time, because this goes back to January, February...
	The Guardian had already been to the White House and to the Department of Defense Intelligence and to the NSA. Everyone knew what was going on.
	They all said, no, this is good.
	Good to go.
	No national security problem here.
	This good to go thing is problem number one.
	The second problem, which I do have a clip on, and I want you to play it.
	Just tell me if you can identify this problem, because this...
	This is Glenn Greenwald and Democracy Now!
	with our friend Amy.
	And there's a big hole in the way that this is presented, and I think this probably helps you build your case.
	Developments over the weekend, and then we'll go to your latest revelations, about the countries that have offered Edward Snowden asylum, what happened to Evo Morales, the Bolivian president whose plane was forced down in Austria.
	Oh, please.
	This makes me want to puke.
	All right, we'll keep going.
	Because it was believed Snowden was on board.
	I think that the United States government has been its own worst enemy in this entire episode.
	The idea that they would pressure their European allies to block the plane carrying a president of a sovereign state from flying over their countries and force it to land rather dangerously in a country it had no intention of landing in...
	Simply because they wanted to deny Edward Snowden the international well-established right to seek asylum is a really radical and extreme act.
	It just smacks of rogue nation status and of the kind of imperialism and colonialism that Latin America has long chafed at.
	And I think that's the reason you're seeing so much support for Snowden in Latin American governments and among the populations as well.
	So for such a well-researched journalist, for someone who really does all his homework and is heralded as just a fantastic all-round guy living in Brazil, why does he not have a copy of the aircraft Foxtrot Alpha Bravo 001, the Falcon Trident, as it requests to land in Austria because they, which is a lie, a pilot's lie, because they can't really tell how much fuel they have left.
	I will remind you with the clip.
	Good evening, FB-001.
	FB-001, good evening.
	Information Whiskey, expect ALS runway 16.
	Information Whiskey, ALS runway 16, FB-001.
	Do you need any assistance?
	Bravo 001, do you need any assistance upon landing?
	So he says, do you need any assistance?
	And of course, what he should be saying is, you are hereby forced to land.
	Land your aircraft immediately.
	We know you've got him on board.
	You will land here now?
	Not at this moment.
	We need to land because we cannot get a correct indication of the fuel indication.
	So as a precaution, we need to land.
	Okay, so there's the lie.
	There's your forced landing.
	There's a forced landing.
	It's a forced landing.
	Now, everyone's gone with this meme.
	All these guys have gone with this meme.
	This gets to me because every time I watch the mainstream media or Democracy Now!
	I mention this in the newsletter.
	They're all in on this bull crap.
	It wouldn't take very little work.
	I mean, we uncovered this reality.
	How hard is it?
	How hard is it unless you're doing it on purpose?
	And I think it's – and the funny thing is as more and more revelations come out, we find out that Portugal never blocked them from going over.
	They just blocked them from landing.
	Yeah, they said we can't handle you right now, which is not unusual, which is probably why he said – you see, okay, I'm a pilot, so I get to say this with authority.
	When you want to change something, a flight plan, something that's unplanned, you have to communicate with air traffic control.
	And if you know the guy or the gal, you can say, hey, I need you to, could you please give me some, actually they say, for your consideration, this is how you talk with air traffic control.
	For your consideration, this is what I'd like to do.
	But if you don't know the person, you have to say either, you can't declare an emergency.
	You cannot declare an emergency if you don't have one.
	That can lose you your license for good.
	But you can say, yeah, we've got something going on here that we don't really like.
	I've got a little fuel indication issue.
	Or, I've got a sick passenger.
	Which, you know, I didn't say a heart attack.
	It could be puking, could be airsick, whatever.
	These are the lies that you use.
	Remember that the Bolivian president had just come from Moscow.
	So the whole thing was set up.
	We'll make a landing.
	We'll make a big stink about it.
	We'll do a press conference.
	That's what happened.
	And your great media, your guardians of reality there in Brazil and democracy now, they're all in on it.
	Why can't anyone question this?
	No, no one's questioned it.
	They've been forced down, and then their plane was searched because they thought Snowden was on board.
	And there was no...
	In the reality of it, there was no thought that Snowden was on board.
	No.
	And they gave them a clearance to go all the way.
	I mean, this whole thing, I think Putin's behind it.
	Well, no, Putin is certainly behind this part.
	And here's what we want you guys to do.
	You want to have...
	The Bolivian guy, because they're trade partners.
	They're $5 billion in oil.
	I got a great idea.
	I got a great idea.
	Listen to this.
	Now, you don't have to do it if you don't want to.
	But why don't you just go into, head toward Europe and then somehow land in Austria.
	Just request, and you can do it a lot of different ways.
	And then we'll dream up this bullcrap story and see what happens.
	It's just amazing to me that this has not been...
	They haven't gone one little layer deeper.
	This whole thing, these people are just horrible.
	Let me read the final...
	Why does anybody watch this news?
	Okay, obviously they got hot chicks.
	Hello.
	I watch it for the women.
	I even watch it for some of the guys.
	Ryan Williams?
	Here's the final paragraph.
	This is a great interview.
	It's in Salon, by the way, who I think are complicit in this whole thing.
	This is where Glenn Greenwald came from.
	You know, Salon is financed, literally financed.
	There were $3 million a year deficit by the owner of Adobe, the chairman.
	Everyone's in on this.
	So how did it get to the point, the question is asked of Laura Poitras, filmmaker who Snowden reached out to, because that's the person I'm going to go to, Yeah, someone being constantly watched.
	Yeah, I'm going to go to the person constantly watched who has no newspaper.
	How did it get to the point where you knew it was going to be a story, and how did you decide where it was going to be published?
	So right here, Salon is presuming in the questioning that she determined where it was going to be published.
	Yeah, she was the point guard.
	She's the handler.
	She's the handler, yeah, of the story.
	Her answer.
	Those are details I'm not going to go into.
	What?!
	What I can say is that once I had a few pieces of correspondence, I said, let me ask a couple of people about this, people who have experience.
	And I sat down with a couple of people, one of whom was Bart Gelman.
	And Bart Gelman at that point was not working for the Washington Post.
	You'll recall him saying that he was brought in as a consultant to publish this story.
	So he actually walked the story to the Washington Post.
	This thing, it's a setup.
	It's a club.
	It stinks.
	It stinks of a cleansed out intestine.
	So let's listen to a couple of things from this guy who was the really old, one of the oldest.
	I've never seen him before, never heard him before.
	Because when it comes to whistleblowers from the NSA, I've always been a fan of Benny's.
	Because Benny, I've seen him do public speaking.
	We've had clips of him, and he seems genuinely annoyed.
	Yeah, but he's not dynamic, though.
	Benny is kind of like the...
	No, he's not dynamic at all.
	He's like the pissed-off, boring person.
	He's like the guy with the red stapler.
	Right?
	I'm going to burn the place down.
	I'm going to burn the place down.
	So let's listen to this Tice character who's on Russia.
	This, by the way, got most of the attention of the Twitterers and all the people.
	We've run Tice before, right?
	Tice is the guy that said he even had to eavesdrop on then-Senator Obama.
	Yeah, because Tice had a thing on Boiling Frogs, he was interviewed.
	Yes, yeah.
	By Carl B. Smith, who's an old-fashioned guy.
	He's an old DJ type, and so every question's like this.
	Well, Adam, what else did you find?
	In fact, if we were doing the thing now with the thing you just gave, I would be...
	Well, Adam, what else did you find out about John Perry Barlow?
	Well, I found out that he is a former cattle rancher and one-time lyricist for The Grateful Dead.
	And can I ask you another question?
	Yes, please go ahead.
	On the list of the key people on the Freedom of Press Foundation...
	Yes.
	Why is John Cusack mentioned?
	I think probably because he has done many military industrial complex movies.
	You remember the one he did about the war in Iraq.
	You remember that this guy is a total shill and paid actor for the MIC. Oh, very good, Adam.
	Very good report, I will say.
	No, my thanks goes to you, Sir Dvorak.
	I'm always happy to be on your program.
	So, anyway, so Carter B. Smith is interviewing like that with Tice, and it's just, you can't keep, you're just almost like cracking up all the time, because it's not conversational, which is really, you know, it's old-fashioned.
	Right.
	So, let's listen to Tice, though, more recently, where he actually brought out a couple of new little tidbits about, he was the guy who was, uh, Right, was involved with this spying on Obama in 2004.
	Because he's a whistleblower.
	He is an NSA whistleblower.
	Is he NSA or CIA? Yeah, no, no, he was NSA. How come he's not dead or in jail?
	Well, I think that's a good question.
	It doesn't qualify as a great question, but it's worth noting.
	It's worth noting, but we'll play him anyway, even though he seems like a nice enough guy.
	But he's been out of the NSA for so long, they can always just say, what does he know?
	So let's play, I got three clips from Tice, which have a couple little interesting items we may want to discuss.
	Play one.
	You've alleged that NSA abuses go far beyond what people are even talking about right now.
	How far does it go, Russ?
	Well, it goes very far because initially what I saw was they were targeting news organizations.
	They were targeting U.S. companies that did international business.
	They were looking at financial institutions.
	But they were also going after the State Department and Secretary of State Colin Powell at the time.
	And they were going after high-ranking military generals.
	And that was just with my space capabilities that I saw.
	Now later, when I got together with colleagues and we started to put together the terrestrial side, that's the side that is being done with all those nodes all over the country with the fiber optics and that sort of thing.
	Then we found out that it got much worse.
	And this was just the phone that we were looking at.
	But it was also being done at the email level.
	But that wasn't the information I was getting.
	The information I was seeing were phone numbers that were being plugged into a system that was going after people's phone numbers and associated numbers.
	And a lot of numbers, I wasn't even sure, but they went after law firms and lawyers.
	They went after more generals.
	General Petraeus was one of the guys.
	It seemed like right about that three-star level was they were going after admirals and generals.
	They went after the Supreme Court, of which I held Judge Alito's paperwork in my hand.
	Numbers associated with Judge Alito that someone had put into the system that NSA used to spy on Judge Alito.
	And let's just break this down a little bit, because these are explosive allegations right now that I have not heard anyone talk about before, that there are actually orders that you personally saw in your hands to wiretap Judge Alito, high-ranking intelligence officers, David Petraeus, Barack Obama.
	Wannabe Senator Barack Obama, at that time, he wasn't even a senator.
	He had won his primary in Illinois, and I think maybe the catalyst, and I'm not sure, was the fact that he had just done a big speech at the Democratic Convention.
	All right, hold on a second.
	Yeah, it's not on PowerPoint, but he is revealing information that enables Al-Qaeda to circumvent all kinds of measures we have in place.
	He's a felon and a traitor.
	Ha!
	And he's doing it with the Russians.
	Literally, he's on Russia-funded state media saying this.
	And the question you're asking, let me try to guess this, what you're going to say.
	Why isn't somebody making a fuss about this?
	That would be one way of phrasing it.
	Especially those guys on Zakaria's douchebag show.
	This is only to fuel...
	The conversation.
	This is to give the Abby Martins, who I put in the same bracket as Alex Jones.
	She even talks the same way now.
	Let's break this down.
	This is explosive news!
	I know, she's getting worse.
	Watch her get fat.
	Watch, it's going to happen.
	And she'll start selling seeds.
	You watch, you watch.
	I think she's like a vegan.
	You watch, you watch, you watch.
	It's all about to happen.
	Well, we'll keep an eye on her.
	Okay, so let's move on with more of Tice.
	Yeah?
	At number two?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I guess the next question is, who was administering the surveillance?
	That's a good question.
	I don't know the answer to that.
	It looked like the plugging in of these phone numbers was being done in the evenings at NSA. So almost it was like being done on the sly, even so that most NSA employees did not know what was going on.
	Now, a high-level person at NSA told me this was being directed from the vice president office.
	That would be Vice President Dick Cheney.
	Now, I don't know that for sure, but that's what I was told from a very senior person at NSA. So, a high-level Bush administration official, I guess the next question is, why?
	Why was it being done?
	I mean, the first thing that comes to my mind is blackmail.
	I don't know the answer to that either.
	What do you think?
	I mean, based on your experience, Russ, Russ.
	What could his reason be?
	Because we were hanging out at the bar having a drink earlier.
	Be wiretapping and spying on people like Obama, Judge Alito, Petraeus.
	They should put him in the club, in the Freedom of the Press club.
	It's not Olito, it's Alito.
	Alito.
	I like Olito better.
	He's kind of doing what we do now.
	He's making fun of people's names.
	She's currently doing a lot of what we do.
	Yeah, so I hear.
	You hit the word.
	To me, I don't know for sure, but that would be a means of control.
	If you were to look and be able to listen to everybody's conversation for years on end for a period of time, you could probably find out perhaps some salacious information that could be used to control that individual.
	Yeah, salacious.
	Salacious.
	Salacious information.
	You said Abby steals Adam's line.
	What is this?
	Abby steals Adam's line.
	It's a clip I see.
	Play it.
	I can't trust anybody.
	I mean, all these political politicians just seem like actors.
	I mean, I call DC Hollywood for ugly people.
	You can't ever tell what these people really think, but I wanted to go into the media.
	Oh, I call DC Hollywood for ugly people because I heard on the No Gender Show that I can't think of a single original thought myself.
	Idiot.
	It's alright, because we're raking her over the coals here.
	That's fine.
	That's fair.
	You know what she should do?
	Abby, let me give you a tip.
	What really works, if you come out of a package, and With, let's say, someone is a real douchebag.
	You go ahead and you say, what a douchebag.
	Say it.
	I'm telling you, your audience will love it.
	Yeah, they would.
	I think you're right.
	But I'm going to scold you now.
	The tip.
	You're scolding you.
	Scolding me?
	Yeah.
	Why?
	This is like free consulting.
	You're taking money out of the pockets.
	Of my child.
	Of the Curry DeVore Consulting Group.
	Of your child.
	By just giving it away.
	But you got a crush on the woman?
	I'm sorry.
	I don't know what I'm thinking.
	Yes, I'm appropriately scolded.
	All right, Tice 3.
	Well, I have two Tice 3 clips, so you tell me which one you want.
	Intel or police?
	Okay, I think Intel.
	This, by the way, I'll set up the Intel one.
	It's funny.
	I'll set up the Intel one.
	She's saying, well, if it's not, they're saying, well, is it possible that it's not Cheney?
	Although I actually like that one better.
	Yeah, it's very funny.
	It could be the upper echelons of the intelligence community, and he discusses that.
	Say it's the intelligence community.
	I noticed that the intelligence community is not being hit with the sequester, the intelligence budget.
	Well, how is that possible?
	Is there some kind of leverage that's being placed on our three branches of government to make sure that the intelligence community gets what they want?
	In other words, Is the intelligence community run in this country, not our government?
	And I guess that begs the question, is there some sort of shadow government at play?
	I mean, are we talking about the military-industrial complex?
	Wait, wait, can she say New World Order?
	Can she say it in the next 20 seconds?
	What do you think?
	As an insider, and through all your research and people that you've talked to, who's running the show here, Russ?
	Well, remember, I don't know for sure.
	I just know that a whole lot of people got wiretapped.
	But if I had to guess, I would say it's the upper echelon of the intelligence community that is running this show.
	Yeah, nice choice of words.
	Echelon, always good to use to throw that in.
	And, of course, we know the CIA runs the show.
	Duh!
	And now we have the new douche from the FBI coming in, coming in from HSBC. Yeah, well, they've got to keep everything, you know, this drug, the backgrounder is, they're running drugs.
	That's why they don't want to legalize drugs in this country.
	No one wants to talk about Portugal's experiment working just fine.
	What is it now, 14 years?
	In fact, they lie about it.
	I've seen, I had clips of it, which I haven't played, but clips where these guys are on TV saying, no, Portugal's a disaster!
	And in...
	Holland, everybody strung out on heroin.
	We're all stone, man!
	I mean, they just lie about this.
	Did you see Comey's confirmation hearing?
	No, but play that right after we get rid of this last clip.
	Tangible letter that goes to the post office.
	They're taking a picture of everything.
	They're looking at the return address, and they're looking at the...
	Oh, come on.
	John, the guy is just a promoter.
	He's just out there to promote, and he looks in the newspaper and goes, okay, I'll say that, and I'll say, all right.
	Yeah.
	Oh, it's crazy.
	Look what they're doing.
	This guy probably never even went inside the NSA. Who knows if he don't work for us of who's mailing something.
	And that is also being digitally stored.
	So every means of communication in this country, everything, is being watched by the federal government.
	And that is Orwellian, and that is a trademark of a police state.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So the fact that he's going on second-rate shows like Abby Martin on RT. Break the set.
	Shows you.
	I mean, there's no ratings on that.
	There's no one watching that except people who want to buy seeds.
	And us.
	I look at the ratings.
	I mean, come on.
	You've got to be on Fox.
	If you're not on Fox, then you're not on news.
	CNN works if you're on often enough because they might repeat it.
	So if you're on Pooper's show, maybe.
	And certainly not Aaron Burnett.
	So we have this guy, Comey.
	Now Comey was in the Bush.
	Comey 2012, right?
	Yeah, close.
	Wasn't a movie made about him?
	Comey 2012.
	This is the guy, exactly.
	Now, a lot of people are looking at his history.
	Steck, by the way, one of our producers, is so deep on this guy and how the FBI runs intel to get an edge on the financial markets, which I'm sure is all true.
	Steck is really deep into that.
	I love seeing his research.
	Once you mention on the show that the real key here is just switch it all around.
	Don't make it about spying on people, at least just generally, but make it about spying on people who are doing...
	Mergers and acquisitions.
	See what kind of deals, what kind of deal you can get in on.
	You can get to go long.
	I mean, these guys are walking out of, the guys who have this sort of insight, they're walking, they go into a government job for $85,000 to $125,000 or whatever they paid at this echelon.
	They walk away with millions of dollars.
	How does that work?
	How do you make so many good stock market trades when it's not your job?
	Now, but here's what gets better with this guy.
	He was in the Bush administration.
	He also approved of waterboarding people.
	Okay, we'll oversee that.
	You know, it's like, we'll let that slip by.
	It's whatever.
	Yeah, he's just a bunch of Arabs.
	You know, who cares?
	No problem there.
	We're all good.
	And there was three hours of testimony.
	It was funny.
	It was like a bar mitzvah.
	They should have just given him presents.
	It's like, hey, welcome to the club.
	Envelopes of money.
	Yes.
	Envelopes of money.
	Tape to his back.
	I'm sure he's used to it.
	Well, he's on the board of directors of HSBC. HSBC, who just settled for a little under $2 billion with no one going to jail for laundering drug money for Mexico, which is what the economy is running on.
	So I'm not against any of this.
	All power to you.
	It's all great.
	I'm fine with that.
	Keeps the banks running.
	Keeps everything running, keeps everything afloat.
	And by the way, I want to remind people out there, if you want to just make sure you have a little background on this, get a rant or get it off Netflix, Cocaine Cowboys, and see how the banks in South Florida, how they blossomed and blew.
	There was hundreds of them making nothing but money until the whole scene dried up.
	MSNBC, no, CNBC, they played that movie a couple weeks ago.
	You know, they always have like...
	It's like a schizophrenic network.
	Yeah, it's like they celebrate.
	So during the day, they have the stock market and Maria Bartiromo and all the money honeys.
	And then at night, they celebrate with shows about hookers and drugs.
	It's fantastic.
	Like, hey, this is our other job.
	Look at this.
	So HSBC, who got this great settlement, he's on the board of directors, and the FBI's job is to literally stop this kind of fraud.
	This is what they're supposed to do.
	So this guy's going to be in charge of his former buddies.
	Anyway, that's fine.
	It makes so much sense to me.
	But during this little confirmation, someone is asked about...
	He finally gets a question from a Democratic senator.
	I forget her name.
	Actually, I don't have it on the clip, but she says, you know, my dad's a reporter, so I have to ask this question.
	And protect the public's safety.
	And I'm a co-sponsor of the Free Flow of Information Act.
	It was the first time it was...
	I'm introduced and am now to protect the freedom of the press.
	Can you talk about your views on how law enforcement should balance one of our nation's most cherished rights?
	That's freedom of the press and the investigations of classified information leaks.
	Law enforcement can balance it most importantly by keeping front of mind both of those values.
	There are secrets we must keep, and so we have to investigate their loss, and that may lead to bumping into the media.
	Excuse me?
	I bumped into you with my billy club?
	When we do those bumps, we have to understand we...
	Bumps.
	You know, a bump is basically putting cocaine on the tip of your penis and inserting it anally into someone.
	Just so you know, Comey, next time you use that phrase.
	To what a remarkable country this is, is that aggressive, sometimes pain in the neck.
	Press, they're a great pain in the neck.
	And so an enforcer has to keep both of those front of mind.
	Enforcer!
	And then in each case, try to work as...
	He keeps using the phrase front in mind.
	Front in mind, bump, enforcer.
	This guy is gay.
	So you preserve both of those values.
	You're going to make mistakes, but if you keep both front of mind, I think in the main...
	Yeah, front of mind!
	It's in the front of mind!
	Get it right?
	The front of mind is where you have a lobotomy, so I think that's probably why you need to keep it there, so they can remove it surgically.
	And I'm aware of the SHIELD legislation.
	I testified about a different SHIELD bill when I was still in the government that didn't have a carve-out for national security, which was very concerning to us.
	I gather this is different.
	Yeah, didn't have a carve-out.
	A carve-out...
	Yeah, I love that.
	He actually pointed out what we pointed out, which is...
	Of course, this is...
	Just listen to nobody but us.
	But he pointed out what the problem was with this bullcrap shield law.
	And when the media goes, oh, there's going to be a shield law.
	Obama's idea.
	There's a carve-out.
	It's not a shield law.
	And I just need to say it.
	Hold on a second.
	What is that?
	That's First Amendment, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I just want to read it so people understand why this conversation by itself is unconstitutional.
	I shall read for you again because people forget to do this.
	The text.
	Wow, Wikipedia.
	Why don't you just show the text?
	Here it is.
	Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press or Again, Congress shall make no law.
	So Shield Law is unconstitutional because it has the word law in it.
	Shield Law.
	Congress shall make no law to abridge the freedom of the press.
	Done.
	And these people are sitting there with a straight face, asking these questions, and he's answering it that way, and no one is going, Yo!
	Wait a minute!
	It blows my mind.
	I know it does.
	You love this.
	You love the fact that these guys are the worst boneheads.
	This is our Congress.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if half of them have even read the Constitution.
	You know what's really bad?
	Here we are an hour into the show.
	We have not thanked our executive producers.
	The only reason this show is on the air.
	So let me say right now in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
	Well, in the morning to you, Adam Curry, and I want to also say in the morning to all the ships at sea and all the boots on the ground and all the subs in the water and the feet in the air and also the dames and the knights out there.
	I'll pick it up because you're clearly opening the spreadsheet.
	I'd also like to thank all of our producers who showed up in the chat room, noagentastream.com, noagentachat.net, an hour earlier today.
	Also, thank you, Jack Blood.
	I think there was some confusion.
	I'll take that on me that I should have probably mentioned it to our crack stream team.
	Who apparently weren't listening to the show.
	Well, people are busy.
	Everyone's got a real job, John.
	They're just doing stuff for us.
	You can't complain.
	I'm not complaining.
	I'm chiding them.
	Chiding them.
	Okay.
	Anyway, we appreciate it.
	It's important to have a live audience while we're doing the show.
	It does make a difference.
	It feels different.
	Also, thank you to our artists.
	Thank you to Patrick Baus, who provided the artwork for No Agenda Show, episode 528.
	This is 529.
	Can't wait to see what we get at noagendaartgenerator.com.
	And we have, I believe, one or two executive producers to thank today on the show.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	By the way, we have a make-go for Michael Miller.
	We didn't credit him 77-13 in the last show.
	I-Pay Solutions, which supposedly has a note from Oklahoma City.
	They came in with a...
	Well, I have a blank thing here on mine, but I think it's...
	Oh, okay.
	There's something amiss with this.
	For one thing, I don't have a note from any I-Pay Solutions that I can find in my inbox.
	And the amount given here is...
	I don't know.
	But this will have to move on to the...
	Is this just incorrect?
	Is there something wrong on this question?
	I don't know what this is.
	We have to move I Pay Solutions to the Thursday show to straighten this out.
	So let's start with Sir Dwayne Melon's song.
	Holy moly, Sir Dwayne.
	The night's stepping up as usual.
	It came at 252.52, and he, of course, is the Baron.
	I guess he's becoming...
	No, no, 752.
	750.
	Oh, okay, I'm sorry.
	752.52.
	I just got repaid for an old debt.
	It means I can chip in a bit more this time.
	Hopefully this helps the doldrums of summer.
	Also gets me my dukedom.
	So he's going to be the Duke of Oregon.
	Nice.
	He defers to the peerage officer for how big a chunk of the NAFTA territories I'm granted.
	Take all you want.
	First come, first serve this week.
	I think we'll discuss this over some email, but he'll probably end up with Jefferson.
	Which I think would be really cool.
	That's a nice little chunk right there.
	Yeah.
	Sir J.D. of Southern Silicon Valley, 529.
	Hold on a second.
	Did he want anything?
	No.
	Did he want karma or whatever?
	Let's just give him some karma whether he wants it or not.
	I think we should give him regardless.
	Absolutely.
	Roll it out!
	You've got karma.
	Nice.
	Sir JD of Southern Silicon Valley, 52933, also known as San Jose.
	ITM, JCD, and ACC, keep up with the good work and the best podcast universe.
	Here's some 529 Plain Value for Value.
	Thank you.
	Which would be the 529 Club, by the way.
	So you can keep the No Agenda Education Program running.
	Keep...
	Which is what we're doing.
	Please keep some extra special little girl yay karma to the producers and their families providing some real education to the next generation accounting to follow.
	But I believe this makes me the black baronet.
	Sir J.D. of Southern Silly Caan Valley.
	I thought you weren't allowed to grab a protectorate until you're barren.
	No, he has his part from being a...
	No, you get a piece of something.
	Well, I don't know.
	Well, I'm confused.
	Whatever the case is, that's what he's got.
	Hey, I feel good today.
	Just give it to him.
	Whatever he wants, take it.
	Hey, hey.
	Yay!
	You've got Carmen.
	That's great.
	We're going to have to start drawing up maps.
	Yeah, we do.
	We don't want to see any internecine battles where the knights are fighting each other with armies.
	Can you imagine?
	That would be horrible.
	Warren Carroll in Seattle, Washington, 3333.
	The No Agenda show has taught me how to question what I see on TV, which apparently makes me question what I see on TV. Reading the news and hear from other people, which is the real problem, by the way.
	In the Value for Value world, my donation does not balance with...
	When you talk to people about the snow, they just say, you know, I've listened to the clip of the guy in the cockpit asking to land in Australia or Austria.
	How is that being forced down when he asked to land?
	Yeah, that pretty much discredits every single news agency that there is.
	Yeah, unless that, yeah.
	Every single one.
	Yeah, I don't get it.
	I'm going to actually tweet Greenwald with a copy of the clip and say, what are you talking about?
	What does this mean?
	What kind of crap are you trying to pull, Glenn?
	Okay, that will be the exact words and you will get blocked how fast?
	Or you think Glenn's just going to block me?
	Oh yeah.
	Oh yeah.
	He's not pure.
	He's not pure.
	I would do the same.
	I'd block people left.
	But you actually like to respond to someone and go, you, you suck!
	Blocked!
	I've seen it.
	I do that once in a while.
	I usually just block, but sometimes I'd say block.
	I always look and if someone has like a hundred followers, I don't even respond.
	I'm like, screw you.
	Yeah, they're not worth the effort.
	David Varney in Apollo, Pennsylvania, 33333.
	He's the last executive producer for show 529.
	And he says, Adam and John, a shot of karma would be greatly appreciated.
	Please keep up the great work.
	Thanks, David V. I think he actually wanted a shot of job karma.
	Job karma, right.
	And I feel like playing it.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Yay!
	You've got karma.
	Haven't played that in a while.
	Now we have Rien van Riethoven.
	Very good.
	Rien van Riethoven.
	Van Riethoven.
	In Hercules, California, the 250-buck level.
	He lives in the...
	That's a...
	Hercules.
	It's a long story.
	Used to be a dynamite factory.
	Anyway, the town.
	And I don't have a note from him.
	If he has something, I lost it somehow in my mail.
	I don't remember seeing it.
	I try to pass this stuff on when I get it right to Eric.
	But we'll get back to him whatever he wants.
	Patrick Brennan in Munich, Germany, München, Deutschland, $200.
	In the morning, finishing my night home with a...
	Finishing my night with this payment after Eric confirmed rings still available.
	If no one else from Munich has taken this, I'd like to be dressed as Sir Munchnuts.
	Curiously, curiously, nobody else has taken it.
	I was thinking of making a t-shirt for myself, but okay.
	If you really insist.
	Sir Munchnuts.
	Shout out thanks to the producers of the Sheephole Airport and would hope more CIS admins do the same.
	Yes.
	He's taking advantage of our free Wi-Fi that we have offered.
	I think at least...
	Once a week, sometimes three times a week, depending on kind of the season, I get people asking me for the access to the Schiphol Airport Wi-Fi that one of our producers has set up.
	And this has now been in place three years?
	Yeah.
	It's such a great...
	People have layovers for three, four hours.
	Yeah.
	It's not that people don't want to pay for Wi-Fi, but this thing is not segregated.
	It's fast.
	It's like, let's see, you're on it and no one else.
	That's kind of it.
	It's great.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, this is one of the great services that we provide here at the No Agenda show.
	Anyway, he says he'd like some job karma.
	And he just says, keep up the good work and tells me not to let my tail feather fail or fall chopped off.
	And he was just kind of a joke about the last show.
	I get it.
	Very funny.
	Here you go.
	You've got karma.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And finally, Carmen Theobald in Aurelia, Ontario, Canada, $200.
	And again, no notes from Carmen.
	But I want to thank them and everybody.
	We'll get to the notes if they can get us one later.
	Yes.
	I want to thank them and everyone else.
	Go to NoAgendaShow.com, NoAgendaNation.com.
	Also, click on the Donate button.
	You can go to Dvorak.org slash NA, the key support site, and also ChannelDvorak.com slash NA. Yeah, and just in case you have trouble remembering all these websites, there's one simple way we like to program the brain.
	Dvorak.org slash NA. Definitely go there and hook us up.
	Oops, wrong one.
	Sorry about that, it's so late in the show.
	Hey, propagate the formula, will ya?
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	I would like to mention two quick things.
	One, the FCC has made...
	It's funny because the president put out an executive order which essentially says, when time comes, all your frequency all belongs to me.
	Everything you've got that transmits, receives, blinks, it's all mine and I can do with it whatever I want.
	That's, I think, pretty much a direct translation of the entire executive order.
	And while I was looking at the regulations of really what he can do, and of course the President can do quite a lot, it turns out that the FCC is making, no one has really talked about this, the FCC is making 1,000 low-power FM stations available to non-profits.
	And you can, it's very simple, and I put a link in the show notes under PR. You can go to the FCC website.
	You have to be a non-profit, which is not that hard.
	You just fill out some paperwork.
	Yeah, just paperwork.
	And then you can become a community radio station, which, of course, would be perfect to do what?
	Oh, let me think.
	Rebroadcast the No Agenda Show.
	Rebroadcast the No Agenda Show.
	It would be fantastic.
	Can you imagine?
	A thousand.
	That could be 200 per state.
	That would actually work, John.
	You know, we could have, you know...
	200 per state would be a lot more than...
	Yeah.
	What, 200 per state would be...
	Yeah, no, you're right.
	That would be 10,000.
	But, you know, it's a start.
	Yeah, no, I think...
	20 per state.
	We'll get maybe five or six to do it.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	We were talking about all these journalists, and there was an obituary that came through.
	Are you familiar with Austin Goodrich?
	Uh, that name rings a bell, but I can't, doesn't, I don't know who it is.
	Austin Goodrich of Port Washington, who just passed away.
	Let me see who he wrote for.
	Was that in the General Hospital soap opera or something?
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	He wrote for, let me see.
	Let me just see here.
	He wrote for...
	Boy, how come I'm not finding this?
	Well, let me just read kind of the headline, because no one bats an eye at this.
	Goodrich combined journalism with undercover service.
	You never know who might be a CIA agent.
	That was the case with Austin Goodrich of Port Washington.
	While Goodrich was overseas during the Cold War undercover as a CBS News freelance reporter and writer, almost everyone was in the dark about what he was really doing there, working for the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency and recruiting disenchanted communists to help the other side.
	And no one says, hmm, I wonder if there's more journalists who are working for the CIA. Instead, no, hero.
	I'm not saying that he's not a hero.
	Yeah.
	But, you know.
	Well, no, you want to say he's a hero because then you encourage more people to work for the CIA, because why not?
	Goodrich, a native of Battle Creek, Michigan, joined the CIA after graduating from the University of Michigan in 1949.
	That's when they recruit you.
	His CIA career took him to Norway, Sweden, Finland, the Netherlands.
	There we go.
	Germany and Thailand.
	Just so you know.
	Just so you know how it works.
	Don't tell me that it's not happening.
	Don't tell me that that little freedom of the press club is not some kind of...
	Who's buying the beers is my question.
	I think one of the...
	I think it's funded.
	The beers are funded.
	Mm-hmm.
	So I still have this, with this battle going, with this brouhaha going on, which I still think is somehow targeting Obama.
	Oh, no, I think we're in agreement about that.
	But I'm still wondering, I still get the sense, especially after listening to Tice and these guys coming in at midnight, you know, coming, hey, let's go over to the NSA offices and run the thing on that hot redhead we saw.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, let's run.
	You know, when I... That's funny.
	That's funny.
	Cops and people in law enforcement generally will always run plates on the hotties.
	Let's be honest.
	So would we.
	It's going on constantly.
	So...
	So that's what you do.
	I mean, if you had the access to the terminal, at what time, what's a good time to come in?
	Anytime after midnight, nobody's around.
	Okay.
	Right.
	So you go in there and you punch a bunch, you with a couple of drunk buddies, you just got out of the box.
	Hey, I know what we want to look up.
	Let's look up so-and-so.
	And then you start listing in.
	Hey, there's a call.
	What is this?
	He calls his wife, and then he calls this other number.
	Who is that?
	Michelle.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	Michelle, what's her last name?
	Oh, doesn't she work over at the agency?
	Yeah.
	Well, let's listen to the call.
	Okay.
	I mean, come on, people.
	Exactly.
	That's what they're doing.
	And I'm sure the blackmailing is going on and all the rest of it.
	It's obvious to me that if they were running these machines or just listening in on Obama in 2004...
	So what do you think they were doing with Ross Perot?
	Yeah, he dropped out for no good reason, right?
	And he dropped out for something weird happened there.
	But, in fact, just to remind people about the angle, the blackmail angle, let's play two clips that we played before.
	One of them is, I got the holder clip as number two, and the first one, which is Clapper, says no way.
	I just want to remind people that this happened in front of Congress and nothing has come of it.
	So, what I wanted to see is, if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question, does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?
	No, sir.
	It does not.
	Not wittingly.
	There are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps, collect, but not wittingly.
	You realize, John, this is a performative that's taking place here.
	You do, don't you?
	Yes, but it's still what's called, even though there's performative, it's called perjury in most places.
	Well, that depends on how you look at it, because the question is, can you give me a yes or no answer?
	And his answer is no.
	The question is not...
	The question is, can you give me a yes or no answer?
	And he can come back and say, yeah, I answered the question.
	I could not give him a yes or no answer.
	And he did not.
	He gave him the wittingly answer.
	He did not.
	He said no to the yes or no question.
	I think it would have been better off without you throwing the wittingly in.
	That kind of screws up his argument, but that's okay.
	I think it's ruined the word wittingly forever.
	Well, one thing for sure...
	In any normal sense of the word, if this was a baseball player talking about his steroid use, which has been caught up a number of times, the guy would be hauled up on charges.
	But no, they're not even going to...
	So what?
	Let him say what he wants.
	Meanwhile, of course, Holder, who is a much...
	Much smarter guy insofar as...
	Well, he's a lawyer.
	He's a lawyer.
	He knows the law.
	He's not saying anything about anything, especially when he can't say yes or no.
	I want to just ask, could you assure to us that no phones inside the Capitol were monitored by members of Congress that would give a future executive branch, if they started pulling this kind of thing off, would give them unique leverage of the legislature?
	With all due respect, Senator, I don't think this is an appropriate setting for me to discuss that issue.
	I'd be more than glad to come back in an appropriate setting to discuss the issues that you have raised.
	Does that mean wittingly?
	What does that mean?
	So we have to realize that we're in a blackmail state.
	Yes.
	The whole country is being blackmailed by anyone from the drunken goofballs who come in and hit the terminal and check out the redhead and find out where she lives.
	Maybe they can ruin their...
	Maybe they can set up so that her husband dumps her by setting up some crazy ideas, sending a hooker over there.
	There's all kinds of things you could do if you want to get the redhead.
	And just not to gloss over it, but these things, it is real.
	These things do happen.
	Look at Dominique Strauss-Kahn.
	Yeah, totally.
	He was brought down as head of the IMF because of some scandal.
	I mean, these things do happen, and from time to time, you need that to happen.
	Yeah.
	And to me...
	It's all good.
	Personally, I think it's always funny.
	It's like, why does it matter who someone has sex with?
	Why does that even bother you under blackmail?
	Screw them!
	This is the thing that the society is...
	You know, there's one thing to be killing people.
	Big sex with little boys might have an issue.
	There may be an issue there, you know, hold on, hold on, stop.
	No.
	Where is the Catholic Church going to jail?
	No.
	We have no problem with that.
	Don't give me that, John.
	Where are all the priests going to jail?
	Oh, no, that happened 10 years ago.
	Just take it out of that group and just move it over to England and look at all these crazy, or Boys Town, or all this other stuff that's been going on.
	So the answer is, we don't give a rat's ass.
	We all live in our own little universe.
	Somebody does, and that's why they get blackmailed.
	Then they do what they're told.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's true.
	The more you have in the club, the better it is, obviously.
	That's what you really want.
	So the system's in place to do this, and that's the way it works in East Germany, Stasi.
	And it's all over.
	We're done.
	It's just through.
	The country's over.
	You know, you sent me an email, which is highly unusual as is.
	I mean, if it's not some bonehead chick doing some stupid thing on YouTube, which you seem to get a big kick out of sending me all the time...
	I really dislike that.
	You're like, oh, take a look at that.
	And I'm like, what?
	And I'm waiting for something to happen, like some guy to come in and chop her head off or something.
	It's just like some dumb chick doing like a...
	Gacking into the webcam.
	Doing a Zay Frank thing.
	It's horrible.
	It is horrible.
	And you've never...
	We should make a collection of these and I should post them.
	No, we should not do that.
	That's not an outstanding product.
	So you turned me on to something that actually just freaked me out, and I think you probably got the same thing.
	I don't know why you sent it to me, or if you felt it, and I don't see you have the clip, so I'm glad that I can bring this up.
	Let's first go to San Diego, and I know that you saw this, because this was kind of weird.
	This woman is Catherine Dvorak, who I'm sure is not related.
	She does not look like she's related to you.
	I thought she was cute.
	Kim.
	Was it Kim or Catherine?
	Kim or Catherine.
	But you don't know her, right?
	That's just a complete coincidence?
	Yeah, it's a coincidence.
	I actually do have this clip.
	Are you going to play the whole clip?
	No, I have a little piece of the clip.
	I have this clip, but then I have a more important clip.
	Okay, I would rather...
	I have the whole clip.
	Do you really want...
	I have a minute 36.
	How long is yours?
	I don't know.
	Take a look.
	Where is it?
	What's it called?
	It's the Hastings Real Last Story.
	Let me see.
	Yours is...
	No, no, no.
	That's not it.
	13 seconds.
	No, that's not it.
	Great.
	Report from San Diego on Hastings.
	3.5 megs.
	Oh, no.
	Four minutes?
	No.
	I've got the pertinence.
	Please.
	That's too long.
	Okay, well, I'm telling you, I want this clip in the show notes, then.
	Of course it's in the show notes, but I think...
	I want the whole clip in the show notes.
	Yes, no, the whole clip.
	I'll even play it as end of show clip if you want.
	Yes, do that.
	If you decide that my piece is not pertinent to what is going on.
	This woman, who is also, I'm not quite sure where she's coming from, and she tends to pop up kind of like as a freelance reporter for the station whenever it comes to government corruption and weird stuff, and so she's reporting...
	On the Michael Hastings, he's the reporter who crashed into a tree and the car, a brand new Mercedes-Benz, exploded.
	And so here's her report, but then I want to get to the real clip which you sent me.
	You wrote your first book.
	I lost my love in Baghdad.
	Hold on.
	Wrong one.
	Oops.
	Didn't mean to do that.
	Here's the San Diego clip.
	What else stood out in your mind?
	Well, the fact that when you go to the L.A. Police Department, then you go to the Fire Department, and you go to the different agencies, they all said they couldn't comment, and some of them said they were told not to comment on the story.
	So that kind of stands out.
	If, you know, we look at the NSA, the government says, if you have nothing to hide, don't worry.
	I think it kind of has a reverse role here.
	I think we have video of the scene.
	If we could show the video, you can see, kind of give you an idea of what we're talking about.
	There is the actual scene.
	Okay.
	I love this where her mic's off.
	As far as the accident goes and things that we do know, it was an extremely hot fire.
	And I've talked to military personnel who have said that this is an extremely hot fire.
	Now, I do want to point out as I was listening to this, you know, I have to be just as equally as fair as I am about reports about the Charniff trial.
	You know, why don't you have a quote from a military personnel?
	I mean, that's kind of bullcrappy.
	That's just, I really want to believe it, but it's bullcrappy.
	Right.
	That this is not something you normally see with a car like this.
	This is a 2013 Mercedes-Benz.
	And a statement from Mercedes said that they are aware of the accident and waiting to help the LAPD, but they have not got the call from Los Angeles Police Department as of yet.
	So that intensity of the fire is very concerning.
	We're just taking her word for it, but I really do want to believe it.
	And also the placement of the engine and the drive train, as we see here.
	They are completely between 150 and 250 feet from the accident.
	However, the car was going south and the engine and drive train were behind it.
	And after I spoke with a couple of university physics professors, they said in an accident like this, the engines and whatnot would go with the forage velocity of the engine.
	So what does your gut tell you in something like this?
	You've been on a lot of these stories.
	What are you looking at and where are you going with this?
	Well, I'm looking at all possibilities.
	I mean, he could have been drinking and driving.
	That's certainly something he could have done.
	He was near the clubs on Sunset Boulevard, so that's a possibility.
	But I'm more inclined to believe that there were absolutely zero skid marks.
	So something else happened.
	Either the car malfunctioned or something was on the car that allowed that to trigger and blow up.
	Mercedes says their cars just don't blow up.
	They take great...
	That's a great line, by the way.
	We take great care not to have our cars blow up.
	For them not to do so.
	You said something also very interesting, that cars can be remotely controlled.
	You had mentioned something to that effect.
	Absolutely.
	That came out of the University of San Diego here.
	They did a report in 2010.
	Which they took like a basic car, like a Nissan Sentra, and using an iPad like we all have here on the desk, they were able to hack into the car system and operate the accelerator, the brakes, windshield wipers, lights, steering.
	So there are so many factors in play here.
	There's a lot more investigation that needs to be taken here, and I will continue to follow it.
	Obviously, if there's any kind of foul play involved, we want to make sure we get that out to the public.
	Now, I need to say that it sounds like she's someone who's been trolling the internet and listening to our show, as one example, and she has no...
	There's nothing there.
	It's just her saying stuff.
	It's kind of a collection of things that we've said as well.
	Yeah, you'd think she'd put a package together.
	Yeah, there was no package.
	And take a picture of a guy saying some of these things, which is what you do on TV news commonly.
	I thought that was very poor.
	This is more like an editorial.
	Yeah, I thought it was very, very poor reporting, although the facts, I think, will stand.
	But I really don't know if the police, you know, I've said to the fire, you know, don't, don't, you know, if there's been specific, who told the police not to say anything, who told the fire to, you know, there's a lot of holes there.
	Now, Actually, you told me I needed to watch something, and you couldn't find the video, and I went and looked for it.
	Because you said, oh, you have to watch this thing, this Michael Hastings interview.
	It's really worth it.
	And I'm like, where was it?
	On television?
	Yeah, somewhere.
	Thanks, John.
	Really helpful.
	And you find me a link.
	Part of the Dvorak tradition, as Catherine would point out to you.
	Exactly.
	Well, you've held up the family honor.
	So I go and I find this thing.
	And you really have to see the video to really, truly appreciate what happens here.
	This is the guy, I forget his name, who has a show on CNN and his wife sitting at the table interviewing Michael...
	Margaret Hoover, by the way.
	Who's that?
	That's his wife?
	I didn't know that that was his wife, but the woman sitting next to him was Margaret.
	It's his wife, yeah.
	And he's sitting with Michael Hastings and his wife.
	And I heard this interview, and you have to really take it into context.
	I think Michael Hastings has been managed by the CIA for many years.
	They've kept a very tight rein on what he has published.
	He's been completely handled.
	And this bodes very, very poorly for me personally.
	You wrote your first book, I Lost My Love in Baghdad, about a girlfriend of yours at the time who was killed in the war.
	How much have you spoken about that?
	I mean, we've spoken about it a fair amount.
	I met him as a friend when he was going through the aftermath of this tragedy, and I got to see just, you know, how horrible and just how sad you were.
	Okay, let me just set this up for you, because this is how I view the world, and you may think I'm a disgusting prick.
	I know what you're going to say, too.
	Yeah, because this guy's wife, his girlfriend, dies in a horrible way in Iraq and then all of a sudden this hot blonde shows up to console him.
	Okay?
	And he winds up marrying her.
	Incredible process that you went through, you know, in terms of mourning and then meeting Elise and being open to...
	Well, yeah.
	I think, you know, I was very fortunate to have fallen in love with an amazing woman, and she was, you know, killed in a very horrible, horrific way in Iraq.
	I mean, this is one of the other reasons why...
	You know, we can have this sort of intellectual conversation about Iraq, and I can throw these numbers out there, but at the end of the day, nothing that anyone is going to tell me really is going to change my mind about how I feel deeply about that war because of this sort of traumatic experience to see what happened to her family, her friends or loved ones.
	I thought, I mean, the first, the name of the book I wrote in her honor was I Lost My Love in Baghdad because I didn't think I could love again.
	I was, you know, I feel very blessed and fortunate that at least...
	You know, would have me.
	And I think, you know, the fact that she was able to sort of get past that is, to me, you know, I feel pretty lucky.
	Now wait for it.
	It's been misreported that Michael was working on a piece about Jill Kelly at the time of his death.
	In fact, his final unfinished story was about CIA Director John Brennan.
	And Elise is now working on finishing that story on Michael's behalf.
	Okay.
	Who is Elise Jordan, everybody?
	Well, very interesting.
	Now, you may or may not know, the New York Times published an obituary about Michael Hastings, which caused a little bit of a ruckus in the press circles because they kind of discredited the work he had done on bringing down General McChrystal.
	Right.
	We had clips on that.
	Right.
	And as a response to this, Elise, his new wife, who shows up miraculously, In Iraq, and he falls in love with, says that she personally transcribed all of the tapes that Michael did for the McChrystal piece.
	So she was intimately involved, and she personally transcribed them, which of course leaves a lot open to interpretation.
	Now she is also going to personally finish the piece on...
	Former CIA director.
	Brennan.
	No, not Brennan.
	No.
	Not Brennan.
	Who was it?
	No, Petraeus.
	No, no, no.
	The piece he's working on now is about Brennan.
	No.
	No, play that clip again.
	Pretty lucky.
	One final note.
	It's been misreported that Michael was working on a piece about Jill Kelly at the time of his death.
	In fact, his final unfinished story was about CIA director John Brennan.
	I'm sorry, you're right.
	Brennan.
	Regardless, she is going to finish the piece on Brennan.
	She is also a member of the Phillips Foundation.
	Which is not to be...
	She's a...
	Let me read her bio.
	Elise Jordan is a journalist and commentator who's writing on politics and foreign policy.
	He's been published in The Atlantic, Newsweek, Daily Beast, Marie Claire, blah, blah, blah.
	Frequent guest on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC. Also commented on BBC, Fox...
	Oh, let's see.
	She worked with the State Department as a speechwriter to Condoleezza Rice in the White House Office of Presidential Speechwriting in 2007.
	She joined the National Security Council, where she worked on press and communication strategy for Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan.
	While at the White House, at least, worked for extended periods at the U.S. Embassy Baghdad and for the Commanding General Strategic Advisory Group at the International Security Assistance Force, that's ISAF. She's on the board of UNICEF's Next Generation.
	She's a graduate of Yale.
	Kind of sounds like a Bob Woodward story.
	She is, I believe, she was Michael Hastings' handler.
	And this bodes very poorly for me.
	Why?
	You think Mickey's your handler?
	Totally.
	One bad oyster.
	You guys have always talked about this.
	Oh, yeah.
	I go too far.
	The minute she starts taking an interest in cooking...
	I'm done.
	I'm out.
	This is not good.
	This is definitely not good.
	And did you see, you saw the interview, did you see the look on her face when she was looking at him, when he was talking about how she showed up?
	Truly disturbing.
	Truly, truly disturbing.
	I really think that she was handling him.
	Well, whatever the case, she's not handling him anymore.
	That's true.
	Here's the way this should play out, then, based on this thesis.
	And I'm not going to argue against the thesis, because I've always thought the same thing.
	She'll win a Pulitzer or some journalistic award.
	That'll be really high-end.
	And for this, probably the Brennan piece when she finishes it.
	And it'll come out making Brennan look like a beleaguered, hard-working son of a bitch.
	And it'll have a number of kill shots on people that whoever's running things now are trying to get.
	Maybe Obama.
	Very possible.
	Very, very possible.
	And so it looked like a revealing piece, but it really won't have much to do with Brennan.
	Right.
	And it'll win some sort of an award or two, maybe, or she'll get something for something else that someone will have written for her, although she probably can write.
	And then she'll become very famous, and next thing you know, she'll be on the circuit, you know, and there'll be a sympathy vote for her, and she'll be just like Bob Woodward.
	She'll be doing these big books, making lots of money.
	Yeah.
	I was brought up, I think it was ByteLog and Steck who brought up this guy who he saw, I think it was Steck, this James Bamford, who is one of these characters that's either, you know, just a phony stooge or he's got a whole bunch of books about the NSA. He purports to be this big NSA expert.
	And so I started looking into this character, and there was a couple of things in here that he's talking about.
	He's done two or three books on the NSA. I think they're just all smoke screens.
	And he talks about how they're capturing everything, including microwave transmissions.
	And that's the one that kind of got me in there.
	And he specifically goes on about how they do this.
	Okay.
	Now, microwave transmissions are point-to-point.
	Usually, you see these things all over the place.
	There's one on the Bay Bridge.
	It looks like a small satellite just round.
	Yeah, with a cover on.
	Yeah, with like a dome or a pointy cover.
	Right, and you pointed at another one of these transmitters, and you can shoot maybe 40 miles if you're using it.
	I think you can pretty much get until the curvature of the Earth hits.
	I mean, if you have enough power, because, of course, it's microwaves, so your wavelength is very short.
	Yeah, but you wouldn't be shooting it that far.
	Nobody would.
	It's just a waste of energy.
	You could shoot it at someone's head and that wouldn't be a waste of energy.
	But the point is that they have limited distance.
	But he made this claim that the NSA has satellites.
	that are in space, and they pick up the transmissions from the one microwave to another because the microwave will shoot at the receiver, and then part of it, because it starts to expand a little bit, part of it will get past and go into space, into deep space, this microwave, part of it will get past and go into space, into deep space, this microwave, and there will be coincidentally a satellite positioned in a perfect spot Not to say that there's not thousands of these little microwaves shooting every which way.
	And somehow this microwave transmission is going to get into space and then get picked up by the NSA and apparently without handshaking, which is necessary for any sort of electronic communication.
	It's just not like throwing a bucket of water into another bucket of water.
	There's a lot of transmission that goes back and forth to make sure that you're getting it because you don't just send stuff.
	You have to have the other guy.
	You have to do an act somewhere along the line.
	There is no way a satellite...
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Let me push back just a little bit.
	If, let's say, a transmitter and a receiver, or two transceivers, are communicating and they're sending an ACK, that would be an acknowledgement packet, but if you go past that receiver into the curvature of the Earth into space, so you're essentially behind it, a little bit behind and a little bit above it, You can still receive the transmission from the original sender.
	You're just intercepting while it's acting with the other transceiver.
	I don't know how much power is going on and how far it would travel, but I'm not going to dismiss it right off the bat.
	I am.
	It's bullshit.
	No, I'm not so sure.
	I mean, I've communicated with satellites with my little five watts here.
	I mean, you can do quite a bit.
	Is it microwave?
	Is it microwave thing?
	Directional microwave you're using on your little five watts?
	Yeah.
	It's directional microwave.
	Well, I'm receiving directional microwave.
	The sending is just...
	No, you're receiving a broadcast.
	No, no.
	It's not directional.
	It's not beamed at you.
	From a satellite?
	There's Adam over there in Austin.
	Let's aim the satellite directional antenna at him and beam it to him.
	If you'd let me finish, the satellite comes over.
	It has a footprint.
	It has a quite narrow footprint, and you have about a five-minute window to communicate with it.
	So it's not specifically pointed at me, but it has a footprint that it is sending down.
	But that's sending down.
	I'm sending up purely for a non-directional antenna.
	I'm sending up from a vertical polarized antenna, and it's getting to me.
	I mean, there's a lot about RF. Be careful.
	I know a lot about RF. I know about RF2, and I know that this is bull crap, what they say.
	I'm not so sure.
	I've got a transmission from Union Oil in San Francisco hitting a little pot over here over by the refinery.
	And that somehow, and by the way, these things are like 40 feet above the ground.
	Somehow, this thing is going to go all the way through the Earth's atmosphere, all the way past where the curvature of the Earth begins.
	Yeah, that's very possible.
	And into space completely.
	Where, coincidentally, there's a satellite waiting there to listen.
	It's somehow been positioned there.
	If you're repositioning these satellites to listen in on all this crap, these things are going to be dead in no time because they need little rockets to move them around.
	Well, first of all, they have enough of them.
	You know that the entire low-Earth orbiting satellite ring that was supposed to be that great sat phone system was bought up.
	So you can easily use the low-orbiting satellites for that.
	There's enough of them.
	And yeah, I mean, I've communicated on, yes, a longer wavelength, but I get around the Earth with 200 milliwatts.
	So yeah, I've seen a lot of things that are possible, and I'm not going to say it is impossible.
	I'm just not.
	It's impossible.
	No, I think you're incorrect in this, and I think I have more experience.
	I don't care about your experience.
	You're obviously completely oblivious to directional microwave of these repeaters.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm very clued into it, which is why I'm saying I think that you can get some scatter from the back end.
	I think it would be possible.
	I'm not ruling that out.
	I'm not saying you can do it with accuracy every single day.
	I'm not saying that it will always work.
	It depends on a lot of factors, which you don't know either, including transmitted power.
	We'll get a satellite.
	One of our experts out there.
	I am an expert.
	What are you talking about?
	You don't run a satellite business.
	Let's get somebody who runs a satellite business.
	Watch me shut off your direct TV. The practicality of this bull crap.
	All right.
	I'm sure in the lab anything's possible.
	I'm saying that I think it's possible.
	But okay, it's irrelevant.
	I don't even know why it's such a big deal.
	I just find it because we have another poser out there.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, they're all posers.
	Okay, I have the clip of the day, then we'll just go to that.
	Okay, I'm ready.
	All right, so here, we've talked about this on the show before.
	Do you remember in the radio days they'd send you a record, usually a big transcription record, and then a script?
	Yeah, and then you ask the questions and then you just basically cut in the answers so it sounds like you do it.
	I've done this on television.
	You can do it live.
	I actually, I've done it live.
	I'll just repeat it for people who haven't heard it.
	When I was doing the program Countdown in the Netherlands, this is 1984, 83, 84.
	Janet Jackson sent out a press kit.
	It was a big, umatic tape where someone asked her questions, and then they left a little pause, and she answered the questions, and I timed.
	I cut together a tape of her answers, and I timed my questions.
	We even put a little bit of satellite fuzz in there.
	That was before digital.
	It's like, oh, Janet, we're losing you!
	And that was my satellite interview as promoted as such in the Dutch newspapers that said Adam Curry has a satellite interview tonight with Janet Jackson.
	And the whole thing was fake.
	And you think they're doing this at Fox?
	No, I can't believe that.
	So here's a little tidbit with an interview with the substitute host for Hannity, who I think picked up the wrong question, and Rand Paul.
	And Rand Paul is not having any difficulty hearing.
	He's listening to everything.
	And there's not like a bad connection.
	In fact, it's a surprisingly tight satellite or whatever connection they're using ISD and whatever.
	Listen carefully to the question and listen carefully to the answer.
	Senator, let's talk about leadership very quickly.
	I don't have a lot of time before we move on.
	Secretary of State John Kerry was said to be yachting during this military coup going on.
	And then two days later, while the bloodshed was happening in Cairo, President Obama hit the links, hit the golf course.
	Your thoughts?
	Well, you know, I've asked Secretary Kerry directly about this, and I asked him, should foreign aid be dependent on behavior?
	And he said no.
	And if you're not going to make it dependent on behavior, what kind of leverage do you have with these countries?
	If they think we're a sap and we're going to continue to give them money no matter what they do, they're just going to laugh at us as they cash their check.
	And that's why I disagree with President Obama and Secretary Kerry that really, if you're going to give money at all, which is probably not a good idea, but if you're going to give it, it should be dependent on behavior at the very least.
	All right, Senator, a quick question I want to get in here before we let you go.
	Obamacare, the delay to 2015 for the employer mandate.
	That's good.
	That's good.
	Well, and that's a very nice transition.
	I spent some time watching Jen Psaki.
	Which you spell P-S-A-K-I, but I've learned her name is Jen Psaki.
	You know who Jen Psaki is, don't you?
	Yeah, Jen Psaki.
	That's our favorite.
	It's not Psaki.
	It's Psaki.
	You don't say Psaki.
	You can call whatever you want, but I'm calling her Psaki.
	Do you know anything about her?
	Yeah, she's never worked for a living in her life.
	Oh, I think you're wrong.
	I think you're wrong.
	So this is very interesting, Jen Psaki.
	Let's tell people who she is.
	Well, I'm going to play a little clip here so you can hate her.
	She is the spokeshole for the Secretary of State.
	Don't have anything at the top.
	I imagine what made...
	Oh, and Arshad's back, too.
	What a day!
	What a day!
	Oh, what a day!
	A-hole.
	She is very condescending.
	Jen Psaki...
	Let me see.
	Psaki.
	Psaki.
	She worked for Kerry when he had his presidential run.
	I'm looking for her.
	I have her wiki page somewhere.
	Then she came back in.
	She was President Obama's spokeshole on the road during his initial presidential campaign.
	And then she left, and she went to the Global Strategy Group, where her clients were.
	Oh, gee, let me see.
	Oh, General Electric, Al Gore, GlaxoSmithKline, Goldman Sachs, Microsoft, Silverstein Partner, Starwood.
	So she is a professional spokeshole who used her government contacts, clearly, to get this cushy gig over there at Global Strategy Group.
	But she is having a very, very hard time of late, because not only is our buddy Matt teaming up on her, But also, the guy she just mentioned in that clip, Ashad Muhammad, she says, oh, you're here!
	Because she's afraid of these guys, because these guys are taking new prisoners, and I thought it was a very, very funny back and forth on this whole, can we call it a coup or not?
	And there's a reason why the administration does not want to call what has happened in Egypt a coup.
	And that is because, by law, in the Foreign Assistance Act, I think, is that what it's called?
	Let me see.
	It's called the Foreign, no, I have it here somewhere.
	I think it is Foreign Assistance Act, which, again, on May 23rd, was set up by the President.
	This is how slick this guy is.
	So if there was a transition of power, what we would call a coup, then all foreign assistance, according to the United States law, has to stop immediately.
	It has to be suspended at the very least because we're not dealing with the same people.
	And here is her answer to that because running a democracy, it's not just being chosen, John.
	You have to understand.
	What determines if you are a democratically chosen leader, if you really are a good guy?
	Somebody voted.
	Is there anything else that could be a part of that?
	No.
	Are you sure?
	There's nothing else.
	Well, you have to, oh, yeah, you have to do things democratically.
	Well, let's listen to what that means.
	Just to clarify, so when you say that, I'm sorry, when you say that you're engaging them to accept the process towards a civilian transition, so are you asking them to kind of abandon their fight to get Morrissey back into power?
	Or to accept his ouster.
	That's not a determination for us to make.
	We're asking them to engage in the process moving forward from here.
	They did engage in the process.
	They did.
	And their candidate won.
	And now their candidate is not the winner.
	Now their candidate is the loser.
	And he is the loser because he was Ousted by the military.
	Why should they engage in the process again if they did it the first time and essentially got screwed?
	Well, I know I've said this so many times.
	People were tired of it on Wednesday in that a democratic process is not just about casting your ballot.
	There are other factors in terms of, in addition to that, including how somebody behaves and how they govern.
	There you go!
	It's not just if you were chosen.
	Exactly.
	This is how they think.
	Oh, it's not just about getting chosen.
	Oh, no.
	It's about how you govern, if you're a nice guy or not.
	And Matt is having none of this.
	It's really funny.
	It is also correct, after you responded yes, that it is continued aid is in the U.S. national security interest.
	So that's one.
	Number two is a legal determination that a coup happened would require a suspension or cutoff in all non-humanitarian systems to Egypt, including the $1.3 billion in FMF.
	Is that correct?
	Well, Matt, because we're not there, we haven't made that determination.
	I know, but that determination would trigger a cutoff or suspension of the assistance.
	Is that correct?
	Again, I don't want to be analyzing what the legal options are here.
	That is being closely looked at.
	There are a number of factors that are being closely looked at.
	I know we'll continue to talk about this in the days ahead, but I'm not going to get ahead of where we are.
	I'm not asking you to get ahead of anything.
	If anything, I'm asking you just to confirm what the law says, which is that if there is a determination that a coup happened, that a democratically elected government was overthrown...
	Unconstitutional means that that would require a suspension or a cutoff in the systems.
	Well, that is, that is, that is, there is a broad legal definition.
	Don't you love this?
	I love how she's like, uh, uh, uh, uh, well, she's doing really well at this.
	Oh, please.
	Oh, please.
	This is funny.
	I'm enjoying her.
	Oh, this is wonderful to watch.
	And she had, and she's a redhead, which of course, you know, unfortunately means she has no soul, but that doesn't matter.
	She's also wearing a fire red jacket to go with it.
	It's just, It's really funny.
	...in many cases, right, Matt?
	But we're also looking at what happened here on the ground.
	There are millions of people on the ground who do not think it was a coup.
	So her explanation here is, yeah, sure the military came in and arrested him, but we have lots of people on the ground who don't think that happened or something like that.
	We factor lots of factors in.
	We're in the analysis process right now, and I'm not going to get ahead of where that may or may not go.
	But why does the fact that there are lots of people on the ground in Egypt who don't think it was a coup have any bearing on this?
	I mean, the determination is not being made by people on the ground in Egypt.
	The determination, as Matt rightly points out, is normally made by the legal advisor's office at the State Department.
	And through an interagency process?
	Arshad said, of course, it takes a lot of crackers into play.
	She's fantastic.
	I think she's much better than Newland.
	You can listen to all these clips.
	I have them in the show notes.
	This was kind of funny.
	There's like two little things here.
	Matt is going to throw a zinger at her first.
	One last thing.
	I want to ask you about the current president, the temporary president of Egypt.
	That's not Matt.
	No, he's coming.
	He's coming.
	Hold on.
	He's the interim, as you know.
	Beyond that, I don't have a further definition for you.
	Obviously, our hope is that there are elections.
	Will you let us know when the heat from the flames of the burning hoops that you're jumping through to avoid taking a position on this get too hot?
	Or will that just be obvious?
	Just let me know on the flames of douse.
	And then she comes back later with this one.
	Is it your view that the law on sustaining aid, if the determination of a coup is made, is able to be interpreted?
	That it can be...
	Sorry, interpreted is not the right word.
	That it is open to interpretation?
	That it is possible under the law...
	That if a democratically elected president is removed by a military in an unconstitutional manner, it might not meet the standard, the legal standard.
	Well, Matt, let me just be very clear that our focus is absolutely on abiding by the law.
	That is being analyzed and looked at right now.
	There are also a number of other factors that go into our policy related to Egypt, so I didn't want to do one without the other.
	Okay, so that just leads me to believe that you're not...
	In this case, you said it's a case-by-case basis, but in this case, you're not particularly interested in interpreting the law as it is written.
	You're interested in trying to find a way to skirt the requirements of the law.
	I think the legal office is certainly determining and analyzing the law as it is written.
	So you'll let us know when those hoops also get to the fireman.
	But I'm not going to get ahead of their own analysis, and I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not aware that you are either, but you never know.
	Do we have any more on Egypt?
	You never know.
	This, to me, is humor.
	I mean, I watch this, I'm like...
	I know I'm not a lawyer.
	I know you're not a lawyer, but you never know.
	You never know.
	Maybe you are a lawyer.
	You could be a lawyer.
	I could be completely wrong.
	I may have misjudged that.
	I mean, this is so beautiful.
	And then, Carney, spokeshole Carney for the White House, this guy has no shame.
	They should bump her up to Carney's jumping.
	Well, here's Carney, and he jumps through the hoops in a different way.
	Well, you are correct that the President has been meeting regularly with his national security team about the situation in Egypt.
	No.
	You are also correct, as I said yesterday, that we have not made a determination about what to call or label the Events in Egypt that led to the change in government.
	He can't say coup.
	See, this is the thing.
	The minute he says coup, then it's all over.
	Then all the money dries up, so he can't say it.
	What can we use?
	And I try to be very straightforward about...
	The elephant in the room, if you will, by saying...
	I love it!
	I'm trying to be straightforward about the elephant in the room.
	Just say coup!
	There's an elephant in the room here, and it is in our national interest, the best interest of the United States, and the best interest in our view.
	Oh, shut up.
	Here's McCain.
	McCain calls it as he sees it.
	Bluntly, simply, was that a coup that we saw last week?
	It was a coup, and it was, say, the second time in two and a half years.
	All right, thank you, John McCain.
	So you know that McCain is always on the money side, so there's something going on with this.
	He calls it a coup.
	But again, I go back to May 23rd, and our president, slickest guy ever, he's really slick willy, can dry up and blow away, because Obama is slick.
	What did he say?
	I mean, this was like such an...
	You have to go back to these things all the time.
	So the president was talking about mainly drone strikes.
	He threw in the Snowden thing, right, as we heard earlier, but he also threw this in out of the blue for no reason!
	But it will also require resources.
	I know that foreign aid is one of the least popular expenditures that there is.
	I didn't even understand why he was talking about this at the time.
	He just threw this in there.
	We didn't even notice that he was talking about foreign aid.
	That's true for Democrats and Republicans.
	I've seen the polling.
	Even though it amounts to less than 1% of the federal budget.
	In fact, a lot of folks think it's 25% if you ask people on the streets.
	Less than 1%.
	Here he is really setting up the importance of foreign aid, foreign assistance, mainly to Egypt, and how we cannot have a strategy without this, regardless of what happens.
	Still wildly unpopular.
	But foreign assistance cannot be viewed as charity.
	It is fundamental to our national security.
	And it's fundamental to any sensible long-term strategy to battle extremism.
	Moreover, foreign assistance is a tiny fraction of what we spend fighting wars that our assistance might ultimately prevent.
	He didn't segue into this?
	I don't remember.
	I had to go look it up.
	It just came out of the blue.
	This guy, I'm telling you.
	I think somebody lost a page.
	I'm telling you that everything that is happening, and we're now like eight weeks later, he discussed in this speech.
	We've got the Snowden thing.
	We've got the Egypt thing.
	All of this stuff is just...
	They set it up.
	It truly is a script unfolding right before our very eyes.
	And I'm going to go back again after the show today, and I'm going to listen to the entire speech one more time and see what else I catch, because you can almost predict what's going to happen with this guy.
	He's like clairvoyant.
	It's crazy, isn't it?
	Yeah, it is weird since this was all done beforehand.
	And we were also very focused, of course, on the code pink lady who stood up and was yelling.
	As I think we discussed then, all basically a part of it.
	We didn't talk about it.
	Missed it.
	It's possible that the code pink lady was actually code for this is a speech you should pay attention to.
	Everything good is in here.
	Here's your year.
	It really feels like that.
	It really, really feels like that.
	Well, then it's possible it does one speech like that every year.
	Could be.
	Could be.
	And the idea is to benefit from some...
	or identifying it in some funny way.
	There was one thing that came up in the...
	I think it was an Egyptian guy.
	Maybe it was Mohammed...
	Ashad Mohammed.
	No, it was...
	Yeah, I think it was the...
	No, I'm sorry, Brazilian guy.
	Because there's a lot of foreign press now showing up at the State Department.
	I guess they're not let in to talk to Carney.
	They only get to talk to Jen.
	And she's sweating.
	She is sweating.
	It's kind of funny.
	She's glistening.
	Glistening under the lights there.
	And this is where I learned about three new pieces of software that have such great names.
	There's no way you can Google it and find out about them.
	But this came in from the Brazilian press.
	Uh...
	Could you confirm whether, with or without the consent or an agreement with the Brazilian government, the United States government has maintained a database of monitoring or a monitoring center in Brasilia or have ever collected data at the Embassy of Brazil in Washington or at the Embassy of Brazil in the United Nations using physical devices installed in computers?
	And using software such as Highland, Vagrant, and Lifesaver.
	Highland, Vagrant, and Lifesaver.
	How does the Brazil guy know that we don't know?
	Well, I did get a comment, an interesting observation from one of our producers, which is worth noting.
	Brazil, you know, they say, well, the Latin American countries are all up in arms.
	That's not true.
	Colombia, regarding Snowden, Colombia doesn't want him.
	They said so.
	Paraguay doesn't want him.
	Chile doesn't want him.
	And Brazil, above all, even though Greenwald's there, and maybe Greenwald's behind that because he doesn't really want to have to hang out with the guy.
	He's like, hey, you know, you're nice and all that, but no, I don't want you over at the house.
	So...
	Pointed out that there's been this movement, and I think that this may be leveraged, the NSA using the internet to listen in all this stuff through all the various nodes.
	There's been this movement over the years, and Brazil, of all the countries, that is now totally irked by this snooping.
	It has been behind this movement along with Saudi Arabia, I think some countries in Africa, the Chinas, I think to a lesser degree, have been trying to get the United Nations to take over the internet.
	Oh, okay, yeah.
	And so they're going to now leverage...
	The abuse that our security agencies have heaped upon the world, through the internet mostly, because a lot of this is all the email that's stealing from the communications that you do through Google and all this stuff.
	Through May West and May East, they have big boxes there.
	They can pick up all the international traffic.
	And somebody once said, and I think this is pretty true, 75% to 80% of all world traffic.
	Yeah, runs through those exchanges, sure.
	Runs through one of the big U.S. boxes.
	Absolutely.
	And so now the whole thing is like a setup, and we have to consider the possibility that this entire thing is theater around this idea of taking the Internet away from the United States.
	And giving us Internet freedom.
	Exactly.
	It would be Internet freedom.
	Yeah.
	And it'll be run by the United Nations.
	I love it.
	This is a good idea because we have to, well, holy moly, John.
	Here is Jen on just that.
	Well, we are deeply concerned by the new restrictive Singaporean policy requiring the licensing of news websites.
	We raise internet freedom regularly in bilateral and multilateral dialogues.
	Now pay attention closely to what she considers Internet freedom to be.
	Foreign governments, including Singapore.
	We urge Singapore to ensure that freedom of expression is protected in accordance with its international obligations and commitments.
	We closely monitor and often speak out, as you all know, on both Internet freedom and media freedom.
	Media freedom.
	Throughout the world, this case is no different.
	And we are concerned, of course, to see Singapore applying press restrictions to the online world.
	Can you assure us that the reason that you push for Internet freedom and that kind of thing in all these countries around the world isn't to make it easier for this government to listen in and talk?
	I want to make sure that the AP and Reuters stories are available to all the people of Singapore.
	I've got a small one.
	That's your media freedom right there.
	Make sure that No Agenda Show shut them up and make sure the AP and Reuters stories are available to the slaves in Singapore.
	Yeah, that sounds about right to me.
	What do you think?
	Yeah, yeah, that's where we're headed.
	Yeah, Singapore, they're licensed.
	I guess you have to be...
	Well, this conversation is now taking place in America.
	I was watching some Fox crap, which I didn't clip.
	It was just too annoying.
	But they were...
	You know, there's people on Fox News who are essentially actors reading a script who were there...
	We're discussing what is real journalism and what is a journalist and when do you get to be protected as a journalist.
	And it basically just puts a big target on our foreheads.
	It's like it's all over.
	Eventually it will be over.
	You can probably get a license.
	Can I operate under your license, do you think?
	I'll probably be able to have an assistant.
	Can I be your assistant then, please?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Adam's gonna read his email on the No Agenda show.
	Hey, Adam and John!
	Recently started listening to your show.
	I find it amusing and very interesting.
	Appreciate what you guys bring to the public for the low, low price of free.
	Kudos!
	You remember this email?
	Yep.
	From Amin...
	Yeah.
	So first he says, you guys, thanks for doing this for free.
	And then he says, I wanted to comment and get more info on the comment Mr.
	Dvorak made around 1 hour 36 minutes on show 506 about federal law trumping state law being BS. I ran this by my wife who was studying for her bar exam.
	She said it was completely wrong.
	And the 10th Amendment doesn't give state law more power than federal law.
	I need some ammo.
	Okay, listen, Mr.
	Amin.
	You are a big douchebag.
	Don't first come to us and say, thanks for doing your show for free, and then ask for something so you can hit your wife over the head with.
	Are you insane?
	What an a-hole!
	That really irked me when I got that email.
	I was like...
	What a dick!
	Let's go work for him!
	Yeah!
	Really?
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Let me just go fix your wife.
	You know what?
	Here's what you tell your wife.
	Why doesn't your wife put on her leather jack boots and march into Colorado and start kicking everybody in the head who's smoking dope and say, Federal law, Trump, state law, you shithead slaves!
	Okay?
	Tell her to do that.
	That was a good one.
	Yeah.
	Do you have another good one?
	We've got a few interesting notes this week.
	Yeah, I've got some other notes if you really want.
	Let me see.
	Where's our young listeners giving us the horror stories from their high school experience?
	You know what?
	Spring, summer break.
	Spring break.
	Summer break.
	Yeah, it's all over.
	That's why I dry it up.
	As we move into our thanking segment of people who do support our low, low, low, low, free, cheap show...
	This little cheap show you get for free, and you get Wi-Fi for free.
	You get through airport security without having to go through a Gitmo scanner.
	You get all of this analysis for free, and then you have the audacity to ask us to help you with your wife, who is clearly...
	You should divorce her.
	That's your help right there.
	Get rid of her.
	That's it.
	Free advice again and again.
	You've given it away.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	No, no.
	But here is, as we move into our segment, I saw something on CNN, which was...
	I mean, talk about...
	You and I could have come up with this one.
	Now, let's say we have a brand new vodka, right?
	And we want to really get this vodka noticed.
	And it's high, high end, right?
	Now, what could we come up with that would really...
	And this one failed, by the way.
	I don't think the execution was well done.
	But if you really know what you're doing...
	I think that this is the way that we might have recommended this vodka brand do it.
	A few guys involved that are on video.
	Not your usual thieves.
	These guys traveled in style.
	A Mercedes sedan with a dark glass roof.
	And the Luke they were after?
	Vodka.
	It's aged in cognac barrels for three years.
	Oak cognac barrels.
	It's made in Ukraine.
	It's called Spirit of the Czars, and it's not inexpensive.
	Well, they took 752 cases, and the value is $249 a bottle, so it's a little over $1.1 million.
	Company owner Mark Owens says...
	You can't go to the donation segment right yet.
	What?
	We can stop with that.
	That is just a bogus product.
	It goes on for two full minutes.
	You know, somebody sent us this other one and I said, this is probably crap.
	I ended up clipping it because this was much worse than that.
	Oh, you have a better one?
	Yes.
	Which one is it?
	This is the five eating McDonald's hamburgers on the set.
	I skipped that one.
	No, no, you missed out.
	Where is it?
	Oh, here it is.
	Oh, I love these hamburgers!
	It's so good!
	Hello!
	Now...
	This, of course, is my segment, which means that there's nothing serious here, except that this is important.
	Freakonomics blog came out with something that's very important.
	McDonald's Double, what is it called?
	McDouble.
	McDouble, sorry.
	Has protein, fiber, calcium, and iron.
	It's the cheapest, most nutritious, and bountiful food that ever existed in human history.
	Is this for real?
	Let me just tell you something.
	These things are great.
	Everybody take a bite.
	You're already healthier.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	It goes on and on and on and they're eating this hamburger and I'm looking at this and this is crazy.
	This is what you have to put up with nowadays if you're in broadcasting.
	You have to eat hamburgers and pretend it's healthy for you?
	Oh, it was disgusting.
	And then here's the kicker.
	Actually, you should probably play this because you might want to play the rest of it.
	Also, he has some grudge against, I guess, one of the yogurt companies that was trying to get a plug and he didn't get his money.
	They didn't pay, so screw them.
	They don't get their plug.
	But there's a little gimmick at the end, before we go into our donation segment.
	That first I heard and I said, oh, well, this guy's kind of irked because apparently the blog or somebody stole his line.
	And then it dawned on me what was really going on here.
	And now you're going to have to play the rest of it.
	And I'll tell you what we see here.
	This is five-star product?
	Is that the one?
	No, no, no.
	The same clip you had.
	No, that clip only lasted.
	I played the whole thing.
	Oh, no.
	Yes.
	Okay, so here's where I'll have to explain it.
	It was 31 seconds.
	But then you have a second clip.
	No, that's an ad.
	Oh.
	What, this wasn't?
	No.
	No, you only have 30.
	Get yourself in In the Morning.
	Yeah, okay, I'll take it.
	In the morning.
	It was only 31 seconds.
	Oh, okay, well, I'm going to have to go back and clip this other part.
	Oh, bummer.
	Well, save it.
	Save it for Sunday.
	Save it for Sunday.
	There was a very funny moment, and I realized...
	I'm not going to save it.
	I'm just going to say what it was.
	Save it for Sunday.
	Okay, hit the jingle.
	Anyway, I guess the point is, I think we'd rather continue our vow of poverty and just getting by and eating mac and cheese and living in Texas, I would personally, than have to ever stoop to those levels where I am sitting there eating genetically modified starch food.
	I can hamburger and help or salt, goo, and intestine crap and then have to pretend that it's good.
	No, I'd rather be dead.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda.
	And we do have some people to thank, as a matter of fact.
	Beginning with Patrick Turner, who's in Austin, Texas.
	That's right.
	$111.11.
	The Gramerica Show in Calgary, Alberta.
	$111.11.
	And it makes a note, Darren and Graham of the Gramerica Show podcast.
	Love your show.
	Keep up the good work for those of us who can no longer stomach.
	I think I've heard their show.
	It's not bad.
	I've never heard it.
	And, you know, a lot of people say, well, we've inspired, interestingly enough, we've inspired a lot of people to start their own podcast.
	And this is part of the reason why I'm making this device, because all they need is just, if you have a little bit of processing, if the mix is a little bit better, it will just sound, you know, there's ways to do this as tricks.
	It's tried and true.
	We've been doing it for years.
	For a hundred years, we know how to do this stuff.
	It would make these shows so much better, and I think that we're going to be able to help them.
	It's a nice show.
	They got their ideas.
	Andrew Green, $100 in London, UK. Just adding another contribution to support your wonderful show and keep the segment short.
	Thank you.
	Okay, stop right there.
	Andrew Haverson, 7713 in Gravenhurst, Ontario.
	Les Smith, 7713, curiously.
	Oh, they're from the 7713 in...
	Tiburon, over here across the bay, he wants to know if there's any good wines.
	I'm going to say this one more time.
	I'm not going to say it too much.
	I've said it on Leo's show.
	The wine situation at Costco has deteriorated completely, and I don't review wines from there because there's nothing there, generally speaking.
	Brian Williams, Streamwood at Illinois, 7373.
	Brian Wojtek in Chicago, 7171.
	Uh-oh.
	And?
	Oh, boy.
	69!
	69, dude!
	It seems to have increased here.
	Chris Dudas.
	Dudas.
	The camp town ladies sing this song all the do-da-day.
	Who says we're his only source of news.
	Hey, I bet he's never heard that.
	I bet he's never, ever heard that joke.
	What do you think?
	Yeah, original us.
	Uh-huh.
	Kevin Thomas, 69, 60.
	You ever tell us one of these, you get some of these guys, you get this obvious name where you have to tell one of the jokes because of their name.
	You just got to do it.
	And they always give you that dead-eye look and say, oh, geez, I never heard that.
	Well, I had that.
	The one I always hear is...
	Where's Eve?
	Yeah, that one.
	Where's Eve?
	I don't see why anyone would say that.
	Oh my god, that's all I heard as a kid growing up.
	Kevin, your name's Adam?
	Where's Eve?
	And by today's definition, that's bullying, by the way.
	Total bullying.
	And I let myself be bullied, and I've been scarred for life because of it.
	What you should have done when a kid did that, you should have just taken your foot and groined him, hit him right in the nuts as hard as you could, and said, right there, a-hole.
	Yeah, so what happened is I was getting pestered at the bus stop all the time because of this.
	This was in the Netherlands, and the whole situation was weird.
	The international school, and all these kids that went there, the Nagalskis, the three brothers, the Nagalski brothers, they would all team up on me.
	So I went to judo class.
	And I was like, okay, I'll learn how to kick their ass.
	And then judo class, the first class, the instructor scared the shit out of me and I didn't want to go back anymore.
	I have a life of bullying.
	It's just no good.
	Now I have guns.
	Come on.
	Chris Thomas in Smyrna, Georgia.
	Or Kevin Thomas, I'm sorry.
	Chris Frenthway in Fox Point, Wisconsin.
	Daniel Varga, Raleigh, North Carolina.
	Michael Kearns in Parts Unknown.
	Brian Brown.
	So we went past four already.
	In Orange, California, you will not let the swazzle enough end.
	He tweeted the Hastings video where fire and police were told to shut up, slave.
	That's right.
	Oh!
	Matt Comstock, Wolcott, Connecticut.
	He's a long-time boner, apparently.
	David Carey in Wintergarden, Florida.
	And we continue with Gregory Brinkman in Mount Zion, Illinois, and Edward S. Hines in Jacksonville.
	69!
	69, dudes!
	And we've concluded with, that's it.
	Well, that's a good run.
	A very good run.
	Yeah, it's back.
	It's kind of back.
	It's kind of back.
	Kind of back, kind of back.
	Jonathan Rose and Netanya, Israel.
	Netanya, probably.
	55-10.
	Kevin Payne in Richmond, Virginia.
	50-69.
	And finally, Ralph Massaro in Kirkland, Washington.
	50 bucks.
	And these are all 50s.
	Christopher Walker, parts unknown.
	Jason Fordham in Geneva, Illinois.
	Paul Vela in Milton Keynes in Buckinghamshire.
	And, sorry, I had to move the thing here.
	Sukhovi Alexander in Moscow.
	Aye!
	Good.
	We have finally somebody who can get the broadcast there.
	Yeah, you know what?
	Get Putin on the show.
	I mean, we will even break our format if we can interview Putin.
	David Funk?
	No, we won't.
	I refuse.
	Okay.
	Review him on your own time.
	How about for the vacation show?
	The one clips of Putin.
	How about for the vacation show?
	Yeah, we can do interviews on that.
	Okay.
	If we can get Putin for that.
	Mark, if Putin was ever listening to our show, since we were on to him, I think he'd appreciate that.
	I think he'd be giving us hookers.
	Very good boys.
	You like the redhead.
	Mark Tanner, Whittier, California, and finally Brian Watson in Raleigh, North Carolina.
	And then we want to thank them and all the other people that donated lesser amounts, contributed lesser amounts, and especially the subscribers who help us out on a monthly basis.
	Yeah, and please, people, check your PayPal because...
	We got letters this week.
	Oh, we got a whole bunch of letters of people who are, you know, basically...
	They're mad at us.
	Yeah, and they're mad at us.
	Why did you cancel my subscription?
	I have an $11.11 a month subscription or $4 a week.
	And PayPal says, you canceled it.
	No, we don't.
	That would be insane to think that we would cancel it.
	And actually, one guy sent us an email.
	He said, hey, you know, I'm sending you a note.
	What did I do wrong?
	Are you mad at me because I asked about something?
	Like, no!
	No!
	And then I realized how horrible this is.
	Can you not call PayPal, John, and talk to them about this?
	I've sent them a couple of notes so far.
	I'll try again.
	It's such bad form.
	It's got something to do with their computers.
	It's just the note that some guys set it up once and they have never changed it.
	Yeah, no, I'm sure it's some legacy thing.
	It's sitting there, and she keeps cropping up, and it may be so locked into the code that they can't fix it.
	That's why they're not responding to my complaints.
	So here's what happens, is you have a subscription, and then sometimes, for no apparent reason, it gets canceled, and now...
	Everyone says they did nothing.
	I think it must have to do with either a balance issue or maybe a credit card date.
	Yeah, but it's got nothing to do with us.
	Yeah.
	The thing is, is that...
	Well, explain the note.
	The note says, the No Agenda show has canceled your subscription.
	Please contact them to see what's up.
	I think that's what it says, to see what's up.
	Yeah.
	That's bullcrap.
	It's total bullcrap.
	We have never canceled a subscription of anyone, ever.
	I don't even know.
	You can't even cancel a subscription.
	Do you even know how?
	Can you do that?
	From our end, I don't know how, actually.
	No, you can't.
	No, no, there is a way.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You can go into the database of all the streams of money from different people.
	You mean the oceans, the tsunami of money.
	You look up the guy in the database, you find him, and you find his subscription, and then you cancel it as though you were canceling an order.
	Right.
	Yeah, you can do that from a disciple.
	It's really a pain.
	The last time I had to do this, because some guy wanted this, he couldn't afford it anymore, he says.
	And he couldn't do it.
	I don't know why he couldn't do it, but he couldn't.
	So he says, you've got to cancel my subscription.
	You've got to cancel my subscription.
	I'm broke.
	And I said, well, why don't you...
	Can't you do this?
	I don't know how.
	I can't figure it out.
	So I went and looked the guy up.
	He hasn't been paying for the last six months.
	They canceled him last year.
	Wow.
	So I went through all that trouble, and the guy didn't even know he was.
	Anyway, it was very annoying.
	And were you wet from swimming in the rivers of money?
	No, I actually went from waiting.
	PayPal is a classic cloud operation.
	Yeah, you click on something and you wait and you wait.
	It's just horrible.
	Yeah, it is.
	Anyway, I'm sorry.
	Well, we do want to thank everyone for checking their subscriptions, make sure they're still in place.
	If we build those over time in 10 years, when we're trying to just get enough money to pay our license fees to podcast legally.
	What do you think a license fee is going to be for us?
	$3,000 a month.
	I'm just guessing.
	Maybe.
	It could be that high.
	I think that's what I would do.
	Unlicensed news and reviews.
	I don't know how they're going to write this up.
	I guarantee within the next five years, websites will be licensed.
	Yeah, I think you're right.
	It'll start with some kind of seal of approval.
	That's how they always do it.
	Right, you start with an organization.
	And you have to pay like $25 fee.
	Yeah, to get a sticker, to get a badge for your website.
	Right, so the government knows that you're legit.
	They check you out.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You'll have a number.
	Right, you have a number.
	Tattooed on your arm.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	That was a different regime.
	Or maybe not.
	Who knows?
	Anyway, the support that we get every single time I do this show, after the show, and John and I always talk for 10-15 minutes, bitch at each other about whatever.
	That was too long!
	That sucked!
	Boy, that was...
	And eventually we both say, oh my God, can you believe we get to do this?
	That's what I say.
	And John goes, yeah, of course!
	Of course!
	And I go to Ms.
	Mickey and I say, I feel like the luckiest guy in the world.
	Yeah, because we're directly supported for our good work.
	People listen to the show, whether they like one episode or another, but there's always some tidbit.
	For example, I still think right now, if you want your tidbit, You use that Ecuador or the Bolivian pilot asking to land in Austria.
	Yeah, asking to land.
	Asking to land.
	And ATC offering help.
	Do you need anything?
	Can we get any assistance?
	Yeah, they're going to do anything they want.
	And this is now being set...
	These guys call it out as forced landing.
	That's right.
	There you go.
	That's it?
	Right there.
	That's the whole thing.
	That tells you that everything's corrupt except this show.
	And the only reason we're not corrupt is because we're not forced to eat hamburgers on the air or promote all kinds of weird stuff that some of them we believe or don't believe.
	Because once you're on the road to corruption, you're done.
	Once you're in, you're in for good.
	Yeah, you might as well just go with an advertiser.
	The clip will be in the clips and stuff section of the show notes, 529.nashownotes.com.
	Clips and stuff.
	That's the tab you want to click on.
	Then go to the snow job link, and in there you'll see FAB001 bull crap about fuel.
	That will be the clip.
	You can download it.
	You can put it on your phone.
	You can just have a link handy.
	Put it on your phone.
	Yeah.
	And then somebody's yakking and you give them dead eyes and you say, hey, listen to this and tell me how you interpret it.
	And then you smile.
	That plane, does it force down?
	Is that what happens?
	Is that what everyone's reporting?
	You do like a Brian the dog where you start just riding the guy.
	No, it's Stewie that does that.
	Stewie.
	Stewie's always writing Brian about his novel.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so how are you doing with that novel?
	Yeah.
	So that's what you think.
	You think it was forced down.
	You heard that?
	Where'd you hear that from?
	It was forced down.
	Oh, everybody said it.
	Oh, that's a fact.
	Science is in.
	How do you explain this?
	And then you play the clip.
	To support us, please remember...
	Dvorak.org slash N-A. Oh, boy.
	It's a bad thing, bad thing.
	We've got a couple big ones today for you.
	Thompson.
	Celebrating her birthday today, 19 or 20 years old, is Jay Dvorak.
	Congratulations, and a happy belated birthday to the one and only Uber Geek, the OG of geekdom and nerdness, Nikola Tesla.
	Happy birthday from your buddies here at the best podcast in the universe.
	It's your birthday, yeah!
	He gets no props, man.
	He gets no props.
	So Tesla was born on the 11th?
	I think it was more on the 10th.
	I think on one day.
	And just briefly, because then we have a nighting to do.
	Here's what really irks me.
	Tesla, arguably he invented really the best transmission for electricity.
	He built up there, the Niagara Falls.
	He was the first one to measure earth resonance, wireless electricity.
	Marconi came way after he was doing wireless transmissions, all this stuff.
	Why does a guy like Elon Musk get to use his name on his stupid-ass battery car?
	That is such an insult to everything that Nikola Tesla was about.
	How does he get to do that?
	And does he have a trademark and he can use that forever and the name Tesla is now on this lame-ass Lotus with a battery in it?
	Tell me.
	I don't know.
	No one questions this.
	The next time someone's like, Elon Musk is great.
	He's the Tony Stark.
	They modeled Tony Stark on him.
	He's great.
	You know what?
	He's a fucking thief.
	He took Tesla's name and stole it and put it on his battery car and he should be ashamed of himself.
	I think his public domain can't steal public domain.
	Okay.
	I have a feeling this battery car is direct current.
	And not alternating current.
	What do you think?
	Oh, that's a very interesting little take on it.
	How do you get to use Tesla's name?
	It's a DC car.
	It has to be.
	It has to be a DC car.
	So how do you get to do that?
	No, no.
	I make the ultimate podcast device with Mark Smith.
	What do we use?
	AC! Adam Curry.
	Of course, we make it DC later on, but we have two rail power.
	I'm telling you, this is a big deal.
	All right.
	Make Goods.
	We did the Sir Dwayne Melanson.
	We got him.
	He had got a double producership on July 4th, went back, changed the credits of the show notes.
	We do make good on these things, especially because he'd already put it into his...
	His LinkedIn profile, which you should do if you're an executive or associate executive producer.
	And Michael Miller, I guess he was on the list for 528, and we got him at the top of the segment, right?
	We thanked him, so we made good on that.
	We want to make sure we make good on these things.
	Then we have some title changes.
	We have...
	Sir J.D. goes to Baron, and Sir Dwayne, of course, becomes the Duke.
	We have that, and we have our one knighting.
	So let us grab...
	Do you have a...
	Yeah, hold on.
	I get it.
	It's rustic.
	Patrick Brennan, step forward, sir.
	Thank you very much for supporting the best podcast in university.
	You might have $1,000 or more.
	You know that that means you can join the elite group of knights and dames here at the roundtable, so I hereby pronounce the...
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	Thank you so much for your support.
	And in our segment here today, John, there was a note from somebody.
	We didn't read the note, actually.
	Let me see.
	What was it?
	So, who was it that said...
	Oh, here it is.
	It was David Carey.
	I've been listening for the past couple of months after hearing the Texas abortion law rant.
	I decided I could no longer be a douchebag.
	The time came to donate.
	Adam, your take was brilliant.
	Well, thank you.
	I don't know about brilliance, but I appreciate it.
	I have found out yet another piece of the puzzle.
	That I wanted to share with us today.
	I mean, all ears.
	Okay.
	So my general theory, besides the rant that, you know, I'm just, like, why is everyone, why don't we see these protests for other things, which is what my rant was really about, is I had this feeling that you look at this law, which was clearly made up by ALEC, A-L-E-C, which was done on behalf of Republican lawmakers, and they call it the, was it the pain law or something, the fetus pain law.
	Which is clearly a red herring because three quarters of this bill, and if you haven't heard about it, this is big news in Texas taking place here in Austin.
	Women yelling at each other, people saying the church sucks.
	I'm amazed we haven't had fistfights yet.
	It's very, very tense.
	And it's obvious that there are large forces at work here, and my take on it is that this is all about setting up the clinics to a certain standard so we can now start new clinics, Instead of charging $500 for an abortion, they can charge $5,000 for an abortion.
	Did I summarize that well enough, John?
	Is that pretty much the thesis that I had?
	Yeah.
	Guess what?
	Governor Perry's sister, and her name is Mila Perry-Jones, is vice president of the United Surgical Partners International.
	A Texas company in Addison, Texas, that runs hospitals and surgery centers co-owned by doctors.
	These are the guys.
	They are well known for helping doctors charge thousands of dollars for very simple procedures.
	He's setting this up for them, for his sister.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Pretty obvious.
	You know, the funny thing is this, I think this whole movement, I may have the cart before the horse on there, I may have it backwards, but this has happened and this has long since established as this sort of, it's a stepping stone, this gouging.
	It's all gouging based on the fact that the government ends up paying through, or the insurance companies pay in some sort of a pool method.
	Which I need to point out, that's the final step.
	We've got to set it up.
	We have to make it really expensive.
	Then we have to have a way for the government to pay for it, which currently, by federal law, due to Roe v.
	Wade, is forbidden.
	Right.
	So we have this other mechanism that we're going to create.
	Although it's done through insurance companies, because Obamacare is really an insurance scam.
	So the government's really not paying for it, but they're probably subsidizing insurance companies or some other angle.
	But in some way, they are paying for it.
	But this happened to all the veterinaries around the country that's going on.
	Oh, my God.
	They have taken...
	Every little shop now is part of some...
	It used to be just a nice little veterinarian, and they have a dog and cat on each door.
	And you go in this, you know, one side you've got your cats, one side you've got your dogs.
	It's a small operation, maybe five vets, and they, you know, it's a very reasonable everything.
	And now they've been taken over by these huge chains, these veterinarian clinic chains, where they...
	Essentially gouge you.
	Well, they started with selling you insurance, which you really wanted to get your pet insurance.
	Remember that?
	Yep.
	And now, you go to the vet, it's a thousand bucks.
	Yeah, for the mediocre service.
	It's not even as good as it used to be.
	And then they give you a bunch of drugs.
	They all know you're the animal.
	You better take these drugs.
	And so they give you all these packets of drugs for the poor animal that you're supposed to make him take.
	And they have to go back for a follow-up.
	Which is another...
	It costs as much as it costs to go to a regular doctor.
	And it's just that this whole country is being scammed left and right by these large organizations and the legislatures that are passing these bills that encourage this sort of thing.
	It's just unbelievable.
	The gouging that is going on from top to bottom of the American public is just outrageous.
	Yeah.
	No, it's worldwide.
	It's not just the American public.
	It's all citizens.
	Well, we're all being gouged.
	And I think we do need to mention, one of our producers has actually done a lot of work on this, and there's a whole bunch of links in the show notes under Trains Bad, Pipelines Good.
	This is the accident at Lac Megantique.
	Is that how you pronounce it?
	Lac-Mégantic?
	I'm not sure.
	I don't know.
	This is the train that blew up in Canada?
	Oh, it went up in Canada, yeah.
	Yeah, so it was a setup.
	It's very obvious.
	They're going to arrest these guys.
	They're going to arrest people for this because what happened is magically the pressurized brakes got disengaged, which is not exactly that simple and probably a lie.
	And the next thing you see is everywhere, oh, yeah, we really need pipelines.
	It's much safer than transporting oil via rail.
	And this, of course, is a setup to the XL pipeline.
	It's so obvious.
	Yeah, it is.
	It's pretty obvious.
	And the joke is that...
	Moving oil by rail is not uncommon.
	We have a bunch of them that go by here.
	And it's been an old, established way of doing it.
	It's safe, and they don't blow up, by the way.
	Thank you.
	That's my point.
	If they go hit a pole or something, it just leaks oil all over.
	It makes them Right, so Roadwolf, who I think is up there in Canada, and I've got a link to his blog post, he's done all the work, so I can't claim any credit for it.
	It's very difficult because we don't know that much about Canadian culture, and I have to say the Canadians in general are very sparse at giving us information.
	We could use a lot more of that.
	We could learn a lot more.
	Since you are the foreign oil we depend on, and you are the ones we will be invading eventually...
	The walls of these transport trains that carry the oil, they're an inch thick steel.
	There's no reason for it to blow up.
	No, and deny that, but getting crude oil to blow up?
	I don't know how you do it.
	Crude oil can be used to make a bomb.
	The same way ammonium nitrate and fuel oil is what it is.
	It's ammonium nitrate packed together with fuel oil and it's used as a substitute for dynamite.
	It works very well.
	John, hold on.
	Could you just really explain that in great detail?
	There's not much detail.
	That's the great thing about it.
	There's no detail.
	You just take ammonium nitrate and mix it in with some oil.
	I just want to make sure everyone knows that the NSA has heard that we are telling people how you can make a bomb.
	I'm not explaining the details.
	To get it to explode, in fact, to get that to explode takes more than a little work.
	You can't take a match and put it to the...
	Do you think that a drone strike would have worked?
	A drone strike hitting the crude oil, yes, that would work.
	Okay, just a thought.
	So what you're implying is that we just droned the damn thing.
	It's a possibility.
	I'm telling you right now, there's no way for one of those.
	These things crash, not commonly, but when they do crash.
	I've never heard of one exploding.
	It's not possible.
	And taking out, it's like killing 20 people.
	I mean, this thing exploded and it took out, you know, 60 homes or something.
	Yeah, crude oil is not an explosive product.
	So either A, there was something else that was being transported.
	Which could be.
	Gasoline would explode.
	Regardless, it was billed as oil, and the headlines everywhere are, oh, you know, pipeline's much, much safer, much safer, XL pipeline, much, much safer.
	I don't see how a pipeline is safer.
	It's not, but we need this pipeline in place.
	It's certainly a lot easier.
	Seems to me it's a lot more economical than, especially if you can have the government pay for it, because, you know, we don't want people dying.
	That would make sense.
	To me, that would make sense.
	Someone knocking?
	Yeah, I'm knocking on the door.
	Mr.
	Dvorak!
	Hey!
	No, it's different.
	They don't call you Dvorak, they call you Jebediah.
	Mr.
	D.C. Vorak!
	Open up the door, Jebediah!
	So, uh, that's all I got.
	That's all you got?
	I'm done.
	Let me see if...
	I think I have...
	Let me see if I had anything.
	I had potential end-of-show clues.
	We've got some stuff on race-baiting, but you can do that later.
	Yeah, well...
	A lot of race-baiting, because we might as well put it in the red book.
	Zimmerman's getting off, and the riots will ensue.
	You know what?
	I've been thinking about this.
	I think no riots.
	I think no riots.
	And I'll tell you why.
	And I'll tell you why.
	I've been following...
	If you go to Twitter...
	And you type in that search box at the top, you type in Zimmerman.
	In fact, let's do it right now, okay?
	And then we'll end the show on this.
	And then I'll tell you my true thoughts.
	So we type in Zimmerman, and let's see, we do all.
	You gotta make sure you do all, because otherwise you get top, which is lame.
	Okay, all.
	Let's see.
	Blood, they finally let Zimmerman walk, swear!
	Okay, that was the first one.
	Zimmerman won't be safe in jail.
	Zimmerman won't be safe outside of jail.
	F. Zimmerman.
	Zimmerman, don't go to jail.
	Somebody gun get him.
	Look at that face.
	Nothing good.
	I really want to know what's going through Zimmerman's mind.
	If dude was a white boy, Zimmerman would not have cared.
	Closing arguments begin in Zimmerman.
	Zimmerman is innocent.
	Only way he does times if judge allows prosecution to charge to aggravated assault.
	So there's someone trying to be smart.
	Let's see.
	So a lot of it is, you know, I'm going to kill him, you know, lock his ass up.
	If he's not locked up, I'll kill him.
	There's a lot of this.
	And let me tell you, these people are all icon changers.
	The only thing that's going to happen, and this will be the proof, I really hope George Zimmerman gets off, regardless of what I think of what happened.
	I want them to be completely free and clear so you can see that we are a nation of icon changers.
	There will not be a single riot.
	This is not your 1990 America with Rodney King.
	This is not that America anymore.
	Everyone's going to sit there and yell at each other on Twitter.
	Man, that sucks.
	I'll mess him up.
	No, this is not...
	Not your 1990 America anymore.
	I guarantee you, no riots.
	Zero riots.
	Well, you'll get a dollar if that's true.
	You mean the usual, Mortimer?
	Yeah, the usual Mortimer.
	Hate to say it, but there will be an Icon Change campaign.
	You can bet on it.
	Take that to the bank.
	You could take it to the bank.
	You can take that to the bank.
	I'm going to go with there's going to be a riot.
	No, no riots.
	No riots.
	No way it's not going to happen.
	And if there's no riots, that will be sadder than if there are riots.
	But it will prove my point.
	That we are a nation of icon-changing, couch potato, hamburger-eaten, fat slobs of no worth.
	Make doubles.
	Ha, ha, ha.
	Alright everybody, we'll be back on Sunday, bringing you another best podcast in the universe where we dissect the bullcrap that is news.
	Coming to you from, I'm sorry?
	Yes.
	Coming to you from the capital of the Drone Star States.
	In Austin, Texas, in the morning, my name's Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where things are just going slow and there'll be no riots here, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We will talk to you again on Sunday.
	Please join us for another episode of No Agenda.
	Holy shit.
	I just fell asleep and I had this nightmare that you were talking to me about really boring shit.
	Oh, fuck, it's happening.
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