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	You don't know how to use the shells?
	Shells?
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	And Sunday, May 12th, 2013, time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 512.
	This is no agenda.
	Counting 400 ppm at the Travis Heights Hideout where SoCo meets Movo in Austin, Texas.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley where I'm reading tweets, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Craig Vaughn and Buzzkill.
	In the morning.
	This is usually where you say that I'm following Britney Spears.
	No, but as you mentioned, it did happen the other day, and your name's still on there.
	And it shows up, so you see me as a tweet, and then it says, Adam follows Britney Spears.
	Is that how it works?
	No, no.
	Oh.
	On the left-hand column where this says, who to follow, which is I wrote a whole column about how stupid this is, because I'm not interested in following half of these people.
	Right.
	But they could do an analysis of who I talk to and what, you know, they could do a line analysis and figure out who I really should be following, but they don't.
	Anyway, so it shows up Britney Spears and it says, followed by, and it names a bunch of names.
	And I'm always on it.
	Oh yeah, at the top.
	Could you turn up your microphone a little bit?
	Could you turn up your microphone?
	Microphone is good, but if you can turn up your microphone, that would be better.
	How's this?
	Yeah, oh wow, world of difference.
	Oh yeah, right.
	Oh, hey everybody.
	Heil everybody.
	In the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
	In the morning to you, early enough.
	And in the morning to all the ships of sea, feet on the ground, subs in the water, boots in the air, and all the dames and knights out there.
	Yeah, and in particular to all the subs in the Mediterranean waters.
	We'll be talking about that later on in this program.
	The Russians now putting subs into the Mediterranean Sea.
	But the reason you are here is to cut through the bullcrap.
	Not that we have all the answers to life in the universe.
	We do come pretty close.
	But this was a particularly interesting couple of days, which really show you why you come to this program.
	Let us start with Spokeshole Carney at the White House.
	Who, something tremendously interesting happened this past week.
	Good Friday afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
	Thank you for being here.
	I appreciate your patience.
	Before I take your questions, I just wanted to note, because it's been reported, we did, as many of you know, have a background briefing here at the White House earlier.
	A background briefing?
	I think 14 news organizations were represented, ranging from online to broadcast TV, print, and the like.
	I love that.
	It makes it sound like, hey, man, we invited a whole spectrum of journalists so that we were really open and transparent, where really, we were inviting the people who were telling them what to say.
	Did you catch the little, he had a little dramatical thing he said.
	Oh, let me roll it back.
	Let me listen.
	Let me listen.
	Background briefing here at the White House earlier.
	I think 14 news organizations were represented, ranging from online.
	No, no, I get it.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, let's go back.
	I want to hear it again.
	Good Friday afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
	Thank you for being here.
	I appreciate your patience.
	Before I take your questions, I just wanted to note, because it's been reported, we did, as many of you know, have a background briefing here at the White House earlier.
	I think 14 news organizations...
	What was it?
	He said, and thus by implication, he said, because it has been reported.
	Yeah, oh yeah, I know.
	Exactly, because everyone was bitching about it.
	And I, by the way, I'm skeptical about this whole thing being what it looks to be.
	It's possible, because he said, because it's been reported.
	Because he wouldn't have said anything if it wasn't for that.
	Correct.
	Some, one of these 14 organizations, and by the way, I challenge anybody out there to get a list of these people.
	Yeah.
	I couldn't do it.
	Although you can, by process of nomination, kind of figure it out.
	I think we know that Reuters was not invited, because this is where the reporting came from, was Reuters tweeting, saying, ah, we're not invited.
	Jake Tapper, CNN. Well, CNN is invited, just Jake's not invited.
	Also, Associated Press obviously wasn't invited since they started grilling it.
	The first question, yeah.
	But what I'm thinking, because this was a bonehead move and it was obviously going to get figured out because at the normal time of the press conference is when they had the background briefing and everyone else is standing around wondering what the hell happened.
	Hey, where's Bill?
	I think they're doing these background things more often and I think they're looking for a leak.
	So they can do it in private.
	So they can have these meetings in private and give people their walking orders.
	In this case, somebody spilled the beans because Carney himself or somebody who was reporting said the real secret was that they were having the meeting in the first place.
	Right.
	That was the off-the-record part.
	The rest of it was a deep background, which means it's just stuff they're telling you that nobody else gets to know about.
	A really deep background.
	Deep background means propaganda.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, the whole thing.
	The whole thing is propaganda, but I think they found the leak.
	Right.
	I mean, they found there's a leak, and they've got to figure out who to get him out of the 14.
	Who do you think it is?
	I don't know, but Reuters found out about it right away.
	Right, right, right, right.
	Interesting.
	Well, I'm going to take that as a good analysis.
	Deep background, of course, means that we'll be seeing a lot of reports that say, according to White House sources, unnamed White House sources, because that's what it is, right?
	Deep background means we're going to tell you this, but you're not allowed to mention anyone's name who told you this.
	Which is a part of the most transparent administration in history.
	It's really phenomenal.
	We're represented ranging from online to broadcast TV, print, and the like.
	And the like?
	What is the like?
	What does that mean?
	The online was the Huffington Post.
	What does that mean, and the like?
	Was Facebook there, the like?
	We just call it the like.
	I don't know.
	Maybe some guy writes a newsletter.
	I have no idea.
	We do those periodically.
	We hope that participants find them helpful.
	I will say that no one here believes that briefings like that are a substitute for this briefing, which is why I'm here today to take questions on whatever issues you want to ask me about.
	Whatever happened to the old windbag that they fired right away?
	Remember her?
	Yeah.
	You know, here's a question for you.
	Have you noticed this?
	I mean, I sure have.
	I watched this press conference.
	And when Carney gets, you know, the simplest question that he just basically said, well, I already answered that and go to the next one.
	He doesn't do that anymore.
	He does what Obama does.
	And I've seen, I think Obama set the stage for this.
	He just starts talking.
	And he's just talk, talk, yak, yak, yak.
	He says everything.
	He starts reading.
	He starts reading.
	Literally reading.
	And the president does this too.
	They have the four screens in that lectern.
	And the lectern is way high.
	This is the whole trick there.
	So the lectern, if you look at it, it's on a podium.
	I think Carney's probably standing on a box on the podium.
	So he's looking down at the press.
	As you know, they always have these crappy...
	Are those even temporary?
	They might be temporary chairs, for all I know.
	It always feels...
	Folding chairs.
	Folding chairs, right.
	So they're much lower.
	And Carney, with his glasses on, you can see him feigning like he's looking down, but he's not looking down.
	He's looking straight at one of those four monitors in the lectern.
	So he's reading off...
	Whatever, you know, they're preparing.
	Because they've got a whole research team in the back.
	We have already uncovered this where they forgot to turn off the sound and, like, it's pinging and the screens are flashing.
	Like, oh, here's the answer, boss.
	Here it is.
	Use this one.
	It's quite an operation.
	Yeah, you've seen this in other...
	One time, there's a couple of shows, network radio shows, not all of them, but I've seen this.
	I went to do a show in Canada once, and I was going to be a guest on some...
	And I can't remember the name of it, but it was one of the big, syndicated, all throughout Canada morning shows.
	And they had the guys in a studio...
	I think it was in the Morning Zoo A? No, it wasn't in the Morning Zoo A. Poser.
	So anyway.
	Sorry.
	I couldn't help myself.
	Anyway, so I'm watching, but they kept me out into the control room, and there's like four people on IFBs, or they're on the mics, and these guys got the IFB in there, and they'd be asking questions and talking, and these guys would be, right into the guy's ear, they'd be providing information and things to say.
	The guy actually knew nothing.
	Yeah.
	I think we mentioned that when MSNBC opened up, my company at the time was doing the chat because Microsoft couldn't, their servers wouldn't run a chat.
	So we had a Linux-based chat, and then we had, I think it was Active Server Pages website on top of it.
	But the chat was, of course, really robust because it was running on a Spark server.
	And because of that, we were invited to the opening.
	And you may recall, and this was out in Jersey somewhere, on the other side of the George Washington Bridge, that Tom Brookshaw had President Clinton as a guest for the opening of MSNBC. And so I got to sit in the newsroom, and it was astounding to see not just how the questions were being fed continuously and broke Jaws' ear, but how good he was at it.
	Oh yeah, that's why he was so, yeah.
	He was just talking, and then the guy would be throwing the question, all right, 30 seconds, Tom, ask him this.
	And then while he's asking the question, the assistant director is counting down 25, 24.
	You've got 20, Tom.
	Okay, wrap him up, get a 10-second answer, and we're in commercial.
	And the disgusting part of it is, of course, it's so directed that you get no real information.
	I'm sure Clinton was hearing it, too.
	He was probably that good, too.
	Anyway, so it's, yeah, bullcrap.
	Bullcrap.
	Welcome to the media, ladies and gentlemen.
	Well, it gets better.
	So Scott Pelley of CBS... He did a speech at some college, and I pulled a 30-second soundbite, which really shows why, again, one of the reasons you're here is the mainstream news media makes it easy for us.
	These have been a bad few months for journalism.
	Yeah, call it decades, but okay, months.
	Decades for sure.
	We're getting the big stories wrong.
	Yeah!
	No!
	Don't say it ain't so!
	And over again.
	Let me take the first arrow.
	During our coverage of Newtown, I sat on my set and I reported that Nancy Lanza was a teacher at the school and that her son had attacked her classroom.
	It's a hell of a story, but it was dead wrong.
	Now, I was the managing editor.
	I made the decision to go ahead with that, and I did, and that's what I said, and I was absolutely wrong.
	Yay!
	That's right!
	Wrong!
	Wrong!
	Who fed him that in the first place, that he used that story?
	Does he explain it?
	No.
	No, no, no.
	He doesn't explain it.
	Of course not.
	That's irrelevant.
	I like the fact that he said they're wrong.
	I think this is...
	He's probably a news guy.
	He does care.
	But he's caught up in everything, and he asks all the questions, like, why?
	Why do we have to be first?
	Well, because that's the business, you know, ever since broadcast news, the hard-on you people have is you've got to be first.
	This goes way back before that.
	This goes back to the days of the three or four newspaper towns, and they're always competing for readership, and everyone's out to get the scoop.
	Well, if it's for readership, then ultimately it's about money.
	Yeah.
	The scoop has always been about money.
	So that is the obvious elephant in the room that he's missing.
	Now here is my favorite bit.
	Now we keep on talking about how compromised these news organizations are.
	My favorite one, of course, is ABC. As the president of ABC News, I guess his sister is a...
	I've said it incorrectly in the past.
	I go back and forth.
	I knew it was a family member.
	It is his sister who is a high-ranking personal advisor in the Obama administration to the president.
	But it's always more fun when you hear the mainstream media tell you how compromised they are.
	And let's pile on CBS and CNN while we're at it.
	I think the media is becoming the story, let's face it, CBS News President David Rhodes and ABC News President Ben Sherwood, both of them have siblings that not only work at the White House, that not only work for President Obama, but they work at the NSC On foreign policy issues directly related to Benghazi.
	Let's call a spade a spade.
	Let's also show you why CNN did not go very far in covering these hearings, because the CNN deputy bureau chief, Virginia Mosley, is married to Hillary Clinton's deputy, Tom Nides.
	It is time for the media to start asking questions, why are they not covering this?
	It's a family matter for some of them.
	It's a family affair!
	Yeah!
	There you go.
	That's how it works.
	Well, you know, another reason for the secret meeting of the 14.
	It's a family reunion.
	Well, it may have been a family beatdown.
	They were just drinking.
	Oh, right.
	With rubber hoses.
	Yeah.
	ABC, who was definitely in that meeting, is the one who leaked the memo about the changes in the Benghazi material.
	Yeah.
	That guy, we're not going to see a lot of him, I don't think, anymore.
	No, he's done.
	Yeah.
	CNN is hiring.
	In Utah, Channel 14.
	You can be on HLN. UHF. Right before Nancy Grace.
	So, talking about all this, I just pulled down the Pew Research Center for People in the Press, and what got me to this is the Scott Pelley comment that, oh, it had been a bad few months.
	This is the media credibility ratings by both parties as a combined thing, and it shows this ridiculous decline.
	For example, 60 Minutes has declined from a 35%.
	Oh, by the way, the baseline on this, let me just go to news organizations' believability.
	The high number is 33% people believe 60 Minutes believes most or all or most.
	Hold on a second.
	30.
	You gotta love it.
	Of course!
	What?
	Yeah, that's what the report does over with the 33.
	And then it goes down.
	CNN's 29% believes.
	Fox News, 27%, which is higher than Wall Street Journal, which is 25%.
	This means people who believe all or most.
	If you get down to USA Today, 17%.
	With the New York Times just above them at 20%.
	I have to tell you that USA Today, I feel, has gotten good.
	Well, they got a new editor.
	They took Larry Kramer, the guy who used to run MarketWatch over here in San Francisco.
	This is now the publisher.
	Oh, really?
	And he took his editor at MarketWatch, and now he's the editor over there.
	Well, that won't last, because the paper is printing too much truth.
	That has to stop.
	Go back to the pretty pictures and the color.
	But meanwhile, they have another one ranking from 2000 to 2010, and with, let's see...
	Pretty much no exceptions.
	The numbers have dropped dramatically, except Fox has gone up.
	Yeah.
	With Republicans only.
	With Democrats, it's gone down.
	Of course.
	There's no credibility.
	The media's lost all its credibility.
	All credibility.
	For 10 years, and it's just getting worse.
	And there's no reason for a show like ours.
	What?
	There's no reason for this show.
	What do you mean?
	If the media was doing its job...
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	You scared me for a moment there.
	I'm like, what?
	What?
	If the media was doing his job, yeah, there would be no reason.
	People wouldn't be turning to various podcasts, and a lot of people just listen to nothing but podcasts, to get some sort of perspective that makes sense.
	I mean, most of the stuff we do is just logical.
	It's like, wait a minute, this guy said this, and this guy said that, and this guy said this.
	This answer can't be right.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I have on high authority that this show is perfect for a half marathon.
	If you're slow.
	If you're slow.
	Or a full marathon if you're like a pro.
	But yeah, apparently it works really well.
	Although, so this was producer Jane here in Austin who told me she ran the half marathon, listened to the show.
	But there was a guy who died next to her, so she didn't know if that had anything to do with it or not.
	A guy died next to her?
	Yeah, just fell down dead.
	23 years old.
	These marathons don't sound healthy.
	23 years old?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Wow.
	It's always like some weird heart thing.
	That'll be me.
	I think I've already gone past the drop dead deadline.
	Some weird heart thing.
	Anyway, so this all kind of leads to where I believe the media will be focusing its attention.
	Of course, we have the 2014 midterm elections coming up.
	That'll be...
	That'll be quite annoying, and we need lots of money spent on the media.
	So this is maybe positioning as to who's going to get all the money.
	We know that it's going to be that they have to stretch out this guns thing, because that really makes women shun anything Republican, anything other than the Democrat Party, which I think is really a smart strategy.
	But then along this, we're going to have the legacy.
	The legacy of this president, which he...
	All leaders of the free world, as far as I can tell, are megalomaniacs.
	They are insane.
	I can't think of many who just aren't.
	I've met politicians.
	John, you've met politicians.
	They're all a-holes.
	They're all above you.
	They always look down at you.
	Have you ever met a politician who you didn't get that feeling from?
	No.
	No, thank you.
	And you've met a couple in your time, right?
	Quite a few.
	And in the old country, in Euroland, oh, it's even worse.
	They're just really like, who are you, scum?
	That's the feeling you get from just talking to them.
	Oh, sorry, I didn't lick your boots.
	So our president, of course, is no exception.
	And his show that he does, and I'm one of the few people who watch his show.
	In fact, if the media watched his show, they might learn a couple of things.
	And I was kind of taken aback by what he was saying.
	Well, check it out for yourself.
	Of course, we always start the show with a hefty...
	Hi, everybody!
	Hi, everybody.
	Our top priority as a nation is reigniting the true engine of our economic growth.
	Yes.
	That's my favorite.
	That's the only thing I can think of is how can I reignite the engine of growth?
	A rising, thriving middle class.
	And few things define what it is to be middle class in America more than owning your own cornerstone of the American dream.
	Now I want to say that I received an email that my FICA score has gone up.
	Do you know what your FICA score is, John, by any chance?
	No, not offhand.
	So I have 662.
	Yeah, I don't even know what that means.
	When I was a kid, they didn't have FICA scores.
	Well, this is a lot of what the president is talking about, really, and he's touted this before.
	The FICA score is, so 662 is right above the red line and underneath the yellow line.
	Yeah.
	So I don't know if I'm going to get any cornerstone of the American dream, Mr.
	President.
	No one wants to give me any money for that.
	A home.
	A home.
	Today, seven years after the real estate bubble burst.
	Check it out.
	Triggering the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
	Okay, now this is all the horrible things.
	Costing millions of responsible Americans their jobs and their homes.
	Our housing market is healing.
	Sales are up.
	Foreclosures are down.
	Yeah.
	I'm sorry.
	Sales are up.
	Foreclosures are down.
	Costs are down.
	Sales are up.
	Everything's great.
	Hockey stick.
	Construction is expanding.
	Expanding.
	And thanks to rising home prices over the past year, 1.7 million more American families have been able to come up for air because they're no longer underwater on their mortgages.
	I love all of the analogies.
	James was writing this material.
	Well, wait for it.
	James Cameron?
	So who is responsible for all of this, John?
	Who do you think?
	Bush.
	Who do you think would take responsibility?
	Would actually just take responsibility for the upside?
	Just for all the good.
	Him?
	Yeah, but how he does it, I was amazed.
	Literally, just like, wow.
	From the day I took office.
	I've made it a priority to help responsible homeowners and prevent the kind of recklessness that helped cause this crisis in the first place.
	Hell yeah.
	My housing plan has already helped more than 2 million people refinance their mortgages.
	My housing plan.
	And they're saving an average of $3,000 per year.
	My new consumer watchdog agency is moving forward on protections like a simpler short...
	My new...
	It's like, what is he, the sheriff?
	My, my ideas, my ideas!
	...or a mortgage form that will help to keep hardworking families from getting ripped off.
	Ripped off!
	But we've still got more work to do.
	We've got more responsible homeowners to help.
	Folks who have never missed a mortgage payment but aren't allowed to refinance.
	How about folks who just want a mortgage but can't get one because of your stupid FICA thing that is all wrangling everybody?
	Working families who've done everything right.
	I just want you to hear kind of how he's taking credit now.
	You know, like, I did this, and this is my plan.
	Yeah, I like the my, my, my thing.
	There's no my in team, okay?
	There's no my in team, dude.
	But almost on par.
	With something he said in his State of the Union, and something we've been tracking, it has all been about this.
	We must do more to combat climate change.
	And now you and I have talked about this.
	This is from his State of the Union, where of course it is quite clear...
	That we are going into a global cooling, so we need to get everything in place.
	We need to get all these things rocking and rolling before the temperatures really start to drop so that he can say, my climate change plan, and you ready for it?
	Save the Earth.
	Did you see New Yorker magazine?
	No.
	Oh my goodness.
	Okay, I'll bring it up here.
	It says that President Obama...
	Is possibly the only man who can save the earth.
	He has four years to save the earth.
	This is what it says.
	It says, why Obama might actually be the environmental president.
	And let me finish the rest of the State of the Union speech.
	Yeah, do that.
	Because it's good to remember what he was saying.
	It's true that no single event makes a trend.
	However...
	But the fact is...
	Fact!
	The 12 hottest years on record have all come in the last 50.
	Fact!
	Is that true, John?
	I don't know.
	It depends on how you look at the numbers, I guess.
	I guess.
	Heat waves, droughts, wildfires, floods...
	All are now more frequent and more intense.
	Except for hurricanes.
	I don't know.
	What happened to the hurricanes that are all so frequent and intense?
	Super hurricanes.
	Ever since when it hit New Orleans, you're supposed to have two or three.
	You're going to destroy everything.
	Where is it?
	We can choose to believe that Superstorm Sandy and the most severe drought in decades and the worst wildfires some states have ever seen were all just a freak coincidence.
	I've forgotten what he had said here.
	We can choose to believe that, or you can choose to believe whatever he's going to say.
	Or we can choose to believe in the overwhelming judgment of science.
	The judgment of science.
	The judgment of science.
	Judgment of science.
	Wow, I know science made judgments.
	Judgment.
	Shut up already.
	Science.
	And act before it's too light.
	Act.
	By the way, act is part of fact.
	Just so you know.
	There is an act in fact.
	You wanted to say something?
	Okay, this, yeah, it wasn't New Yorker Magazine, it was New York Magazine.
	I'm sorry, well, yes, New York Magazine.
	Because New Yorker Magazine actually, earlier in April, has Obama already given up on climate change and they've taken a completely different tact.
	Oh, I'm sorry, New York Magazine, you are correct.
	Some states have ever seen we're all just a freak coincidence, or we can choose to believe in the overwhelming judgment of science and act before it's too late.
	Now, the good news is we can make meaningful progress on this issue while driving strong economic growth.
	I urge this Congress to get together, pursue a bipartisan, market-based solution to climate change, like the one John McCain and Joe Lieberman worked on together a few years ago.
	You've got to see that video.
	It's so funny.
	They put the camera on McCain.
	He's like pooping his pants.
	Like, uh, uh, yeah.
	What?
	And what's his name?
	Schumer is sitting next to him, going like, yeah, he called you out, bitch!
	If Congress won't act soon to protect future generations...
	Oh, what?
	I will.
	Okay.
	I will direct.
	I will.
	I will direct my camera to come up with executive actions we can take now and in the future to reduce pollution, prepare our communities for the consequences of climate change, and speed the transition to more sustainable sources of energy.
	Okay, so what we've been looking at in the past couple weeks in this initiative is mainly the communication of climate change.
	And we had a big one take place right after our show on Thursday.
	And this is the 400 parts per million, John.
	And I spent some time this morning before the show to count them here in Austin.
	And indeed, we have 400 parts per million of carbon dioxide in our environment.
	And you know what the magic number was, don't you?
	No.
	350.
	Oh, no!
	Do you not remember 350.org?
	Oh, yeah, 350.org.
	I read from there, and this has been on NPR. It's like, this is growing.
	So we had this Benghazi thing.
	It's annoying, but this is a slow build.
	On May 9th, wait...
	On May 9, for the first time ever, the world's most important CO2 observatory measured daily concentrations above 400 parts per million.
	350.org is named after 350ppm, the safe level of carbon in the atmosphere.
	Passing 400 is a sober reminder that we have much work to do.
	The only good news, we're doing it.
	Together, we're building the kind of movement we need.
	It will be hard.
	There will be setbacks when we can and must keep building.
	None of us are alone in this fight.
	And as the temperature continues to rise, so shall we.
	So that's your, uh...
	It doesn't really say that.
	It says, so we will...
	So will we.
	So will we.
	Is that what I said?
	Yeah, you said shall.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I like mine better.
	I didn't want them to be more of feet than they actually are.
	I'm sorry.
	So will and shall.
	Anyway, and then they got this subdomain, 400.350.org.
	But wait, look at this picture.
	Do you see there's an outline of a polar bear like he's been shot?
	You know, like they have the outline of the dude where he was laying on...
	I guess they couldn't find an area where there wasn't snow to do this.
	Is that the impression you're getting?
	I don't know, but there's an outline of a polar bear.
	It said snow!
	Did you look at the subdomain?
	Yeah!
	Oh yeah!
	Are you kidding me?
	I've been all over this.
	So this is...
	The communications is really what's happening.
	Now, I don't think John or I really think that everything that is predicted is coming to fruition.
	We're too old to fall for this anymore.
	We've been around the block too many times.
	It's all from one guy who's in this organization, James Hansen.
	The former NASA climatologist who brought everybody's attention to this thing, and he looks like kind of a crazy guy.
	So there's all of these communications going on, and everyone is pitching in, trying to help, trying to figure out how can we do something about this, because we're really losing the fight.
	They are losing the fight, not in a big way, but they're losing it, but they can still recover.
	Well, so here's something I found.
	This is from the same Climate Change Communications Institute over there at Yale.
	99 one-liners that rebut climate change denier talking points.
	And I just love, you know, progressive, I've got to read some of this to you.
	So wait, wait, you found a talking point memo that rebuts other talking points?
	Yeah, but it's a cheat sheet that you can use when you apparently are having dinner with your idiotic friends.
	Progressive should know the disinf...
	Wait, wait, wait.
	You should have it printed out at the table at the ready when they have dinner with you.
	Yes.
	I just put it down next to the placemat.
	Laminated.
	Progressives should know the disinformers' most commonly used arguments and how to answer them crisply.
	Those arguments have been repeated so many times by the fossil fuel funded disinformation campaign.
	Hey, where's our money?
	Where's my fossil fuel funded disinformation cash, people?
	Where is it?
	We want it.
	Can we go to the Department of Fossil Fuel Funded Disinformation Campaign money and get some of that?
	All right, so we have the skeptic argument and then the one-liner to response.
	Okay, you want to do a couple of these?
	No, this is very smart.
	Okay, because we need to do this, too.
	Yeah, we do.
	Yeah, it's like we need just...
	We need a fact that does this.
	The answer is always sendmoneydvorak.org.
	That's the answer to everything.
	Alright, number one.
	Skeptic argument.
	Climate's changed before.
	One-liner response.
	Climate reacts to whatever forces it changes to at the time.
	Humans are now the dominant force.
	What?
	That's a terrible answer.
	That's the one.
	That's not what I would write.
	I would have written a much better retort.
	Alright, well, here's number two.
	It's the sun.
	The answer?
	In the last 35 years of global warming, sun and climate have been going in opposite directions.
	They have a divorce or something?
	That's bad.
	That's not very good.
	That's not good either.
	I don't even believe it's true.
	No.
	Number three.
	It's not bad.
	That would be what I would say.
	It's not so bad.
	And your response should be, negative impacts of global warming on agriculture, health, and environment far outweigh any positives.
	These are terrible.
	I know.
	Here's my favorite.
	There is no consensus.
	Oh yeah?
	97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming.
	Yeah, and anyone else who says anything other gets shouted down.
	I don't think this counts.
	That's what I would say.
	I mean, these are not good.
	No, these are not good.
	It's cooling.
	I'm telling you, we could do a better job.
	Yeah.
	Well, we should probably, you know, and you don't want to be really smart.
	They can do their own work.
	I like this.
	We're not unpaid consultants.
	True.
	I like this.
	Models are unreliable.
	And their answer is, models successfully reproduce temperatures since 1900 globally by land in the air and the ocean.
	What I would say is, yeah, models are unreliable.
	You can't get those bitches to take their clothes off whenever you want them to.
	Yeah, they're ba-ding!
	Hey!
	So there's 99 of these.
	99!
	Here's one.
	Ice age was predicted in the 70s.
	Now, John, here's the answer to this one.
	No, dude.
	The vast majority of climate papers in the 1970s predicted global warming.
	What?
	That's just a blatant lie.
	Anyway.
	So in other words, you're supposed to, this is what these guys are up to.
	Yeah.
	Makes sense to me.
	As far as I'm concerned, this is just more proof that they're full of shit.
	So there is something we have to be on the lookout for.
	This is the NRDC. And this is kind of what this New York article states as it says, Obama has four years to save the Earth.
	So the way they look at it, the Clean Air Act, which is the responsibility of the Environmental Protection Agency, who have enhanced regulatory powers now, they only have to...
	Just make up a rule for the coal-fired energy plants to really change everything in just one day.
	Now, it was already the EPA who said, you know what, by 2020, all cars have to do 57 miles per gallon.
	There was no hearing.
	There was no debate.
	They just made it up.
	I mean, you said, okay, this is what you got to do.
	So this is the kind of power that they have and that is taking place and is not really being challenged.
	So you have the NRDC, the National Resources Defense Council.
	And this is a pretty big group.
	You can find it at NRDC.org, John, if you want to follow along.
	They say the EPA has both the authority and responsibility to reduce pollution from plants under the Clean Air Act, the nation's bedrock air pollution law adopted in 1970.
	This is the strategy.
	They are saying that who signed the Clean Air Act was Republican Richard Nixon.
	So this is going to be the new strategy.
	Hey, it was a Republican who put this in the place, and we have the EPA who has the power vested in them by the president, who said, here, bing, you have power.
	They can now change the rules for coal fire plants.
	And in January of 2008, then, candidate Barack Obama famously said the following.
	If somebody wants to build a coal-fired plant, they can.
	It's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.
	And that is exactly what is going to happen.
	And it is being fought as Inhofe.
	Who, of course, credibility-wise, there's none.
	They make him look like a total douche.
	But he has done something interesting and he has stopped the EPA on their so-called endangerment finding.
	So the EPA did a test and they said, oh, well, you know what?
	These coal-fired plants, they're endangering the world, the greenhouse gases, we're all going to die, they're going to kill us.
	But they broke their own rules, and this is what he's stopping them on.
	And I tried to figure out what exactly was going on.
	The Inspector General uncovered that the EPA failed to engage in their very own required record-keeping process and peer review procedure for any science that they regulate upon.
	So, what had they done?
	They had done a study to prove, and it's very easy to get desired results out of a study if you want to prove something, that the 400 parts per million were endangering the world, we're all going to die, so we have to cap and trade and certainly tax.
	And who did they send that to for peer review?
	Who?
	The IPCC. Oh, the IPCC. By the way, let me just remind everybody who listens to this or screeds about this.
	If you're serious that this is taking place and it's a disaster, it's going to ruin the world, why are you doing cap and trade?
	You do cap!
	Yep.
	What is the point of trade?
	If this is so bad, you cap it, you cap it, you cap it.
	You don't cap and trade.
	Cap and trade is as part of a giant scam.
	And talking about scams, by the way, the board of trustees of the NRDC, which has a bunch of hot shot CEOs at the front.
	You go down a little bit.
	Robert Redford.
	Oh!
	Leonardo DiCaprio.
	Oh!
	The head of Sony Pictures.
	It's the communicators.
	Really?
	You don't say...
	This is what I love, because I was like, is John going to look at this website?
	Is he there yet?
	Is he there yet?
	Thank you.
	Finally.
	I didn't want to have to do all the work.
	And then, so today, sorry, yesterday, no, this is Friday, May 10th, we get a very important, very important message from the White House.
	And while everyone's bitching and moaning about whatever they bitch and moan about, I got a very important note here.
	The National Strategy for the Arctic Region.
	And let me just read, because this is very concerning.
	The Arctic region is rapidly changing.
	While the Arctic region has experienced warming and cooling cycles over millennia, the current warming trend is unlike anything previously recorded.
	As sea ice diminishes, ocean resources are more readily accessible.
	This accessibility, along with recent scientific estimates, indicate the presence of significant energy and other resources have inspired strong interest for new commercial initiatives in the region.
	Russia.
	Oh, yeah.
	And then it flows back into all kinds of global warming crap.
	And so, of course, they have the strategy written out, which I figured I'd download and highlight for you.
	You can find it in the show notes, 512.nashownotes.com.
	And so here's the President's opening.
	As we recognize how to make the most of the emerging economic opportunities in the region, we recognize we must exercise responsible stewardship using an integrated management approach, making decisions based on the best available information, with the aim of promoting healthy, sustainable, and resilient ecosystems over the long term.
	The Arctic region is peaceful, stable, and free of conflict.
	Time for the Americas to go in and fuck it all up, bitches!
	We're coming!
	Through the National Strategy for the Arctic Region, we articulate our strategic priorities to position the United States to meet the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead.
	And it's about 30 pages, and there's a couple of major points.
	Advanced United States security interests.
	Yes, Russia, this is for you.
	We will enable our vessels and aircraft to operate consistent with international law through...
	Under and over the airspace and the waters of the Arctic, support lawful commerce, achieve a greater awareness of activity in the region, which means drones, and intelligently involve our Arctic infrastructure and capabilities, which means oil, gas, back off everybody, we're claiming this.
	We are claiming it.
	We own the Arctic.
	It's not even bumping into our country.
	Oh, it's even better than that.
	I can see the Canadians being a little...
	No!
	Oh, no, I'm sorry.
	Uh-uh-uh-uh.
	We will consult and coordinate with Alaska natives.
	Because they own it.
	Alright, Alaska.
	That's the ticket.
	Even as we work domestically and internationally to minimize the effects of climate change, the effects are already apparent in the Arctic.
	Ocean resources are more readily available as sea ice diminishes, but thawing ground is threatening communities as well as hindering land-based activities, including access to resources.
	That to me translates as, hey, are you a native Alaskan?
	Forget the fish.
	Forget all that.
	But down at the bottom of this document, there's two pieces where it really comes down to, obviously, the point mentioned here.
	Provide for future United States energy security.
	It's always that.
	Pursue responsible Arctic region stewardship.
	But then, this is now we understand, a seed to the Law of the Sea Convention.
	Remember we've talked about this?
	The Law of the Sea?
	Oh yeah, we talked about it quite a bit.
	A session to the convention would protect U.S. rights, freedoms, and uses of the sea and airspace throughout the Arctic region.
	So we've looked at this Law of the Sea, and it would essentially give us a lot of rights to the Arctic region and give us a Caribbean-based In fact, Jamaica-based court the right to litigate anything that, I don't know, Russia thinks is theirs.
	Or should Alaska think that the federal government has no business up there, they would also legislate that.
	That's what this is about.
	This is why Hillary Clinton was up there.
	Remember, she was on the icebreaker, like, floating around.
	Oh, it's so beautiful.
	Oh, I'm looking at climate change.
	No, she's putting flags down for her buddies in the oil and gas industry.
	That's what she's doing.
	Yeah.
	And marking it off so that Russia, who had flags on the bottom of the ocean many, many years ago, basically telling them to go pound sand.
	But I think a deal has been done, John.
	Not with the Russians.
	Yes.
	Oh, yes.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I think a deal has been done.
	There is now, this was breaking news, that the Russians are going to put four warships, five more warships, you know, get the article, the Mediterranean Task Force, here we go.
	Russia's Mediterranean Task Force will comprise five to six warships and may be enlarged to include nuclear submarines.
	So this is the Mediterranean, okay?
	Now we know that the Russians have been having extensive talks with Israel, mainly about Leviathan, of course, which is the huge gas field that we've been talking about for a couple of years.
	But they will now be opening a new port, Port Maya, and that will be, this is confusing because Port Maya, if you look for Port Maya, you'll see there's one in Mexico.
	That, of course, is not in the Caribbean.
	Port Maya is Cyprus.
	So the way it looks like it's turning out is, you know, the Russians have started to back off a little bit on Syria.
	So they've got their corridor.
	Their corridor of Syria is no longer going to be...
	They don't care about...
	Because they have the port.
	It looks like that's just going to fall apart.
	The reason why that has to fall apart is because that has always traditionally been Russia's corridor for anything they want to ship through.
	They go through Syria.
	And of course, the other side of the equation wants the Georgian connection.
	They want Boku.
	They want it coming through the Black Sea.
	Everything goes through Turkey.
	Oh, that's kind of who our friends are now, right?
	Isn't Turkey like our friend against Syria?
	This is what you've got to be looking at.
	All the pipes, all the gas pipelines to Europe run through Turkey, ultimately.
	So it looks like Russia's doing a deal with Israel not to pipe gas in from their region, but to take the gas right out of Leviathan, pump it right through Cyprus, Greece, Italy, into Europe.
	That's their path.
	And now they've put warships in the Mediterranean to protect their turf.
	And I think it's like, okay, you guys get that.
	We'll take this.
	Screw all the rest.
	I think we have done a deal.
	Well, it's a possibility.
	And I would say that only because there's been so little play of the Russian invasion of the Mediterranean with their ships.
	Which makes zero sense if you really think about it.
	Except unless they're there for a reason.
	And they have talked to Israel.
	And this would be a common...
	What else would they talk to them about?
	There's nothing else to talk to them about.
	No, there's nothing.
	What are they going to do?
	Are they going to exchange chefs?
	No.
	There's only two things to talk about.
	Shekels and gas.
	What else?
	Oh, we're done.
	Good night.
	Good night.
	Well, if that's true, that means the serious story is going to start to change.
	Yes, it has to.
	Because it's just no longer important.
	But this is where it gets complicated.
	It's important that Turkey remains good buddies.
	In Turkey, they have century-old issues.
	So they may not be like, what?
	What?
	Stop?
	What?
	And you gave us all these Syrians?
	It's true.
	The Turks will be, and they're Muslim extremists running the country, even though they aren't supposed to be by law.
	And they have their never-ending battle with the Kurds, which is supposed to be our buddies, because we've made, you know...
	Well, it's the same.
	There's a lot of the Kurds are in Syria.
	So it's all kind of the same anger that's going on.
	And it makes total sense.
	This is why we're not in.
	This is why the president is doing anything he can to avoid conversation about the red line.
	And the whole red line, as it turns out now, was not like, oh, don't you pass that red line.
	And I was like, they'll never do that.
	I don't want to do anything with Syria.
	It's no good.
	Well, I think that would also account for the stories that have come out that it was the rebels who used the gas.
	Exactly.
	That is our own plant.
	We're just like, well, please, it can't be Assad.
	I can't step over that line.
	It's got to be someone else.
	I actually had that from last week.
	Here's a little report on that.
	During our investigation for crimes against humanity and war crimes, we collect some witness testimony that That made to appear that some chemical weapons were used, in particular Nervin gas.
	Nervin!
	And what was...
	Ah, it's just Nervin gas.
	This is the voice of the elites.
	Oh yeah.
	Yes, it is.
	What appeared to our investigation that that was used by the opponents, by the rebels.
	And we have no indication at all that the government, the authority of the Syrian government...
	So this is just a woman who, you know, she's never been to Damascus.
	It's like, you know what?
	Here, you tell the story.
	And you're right.
	This is the voice of the elites.
	This is the message I have gotten to tell you, the slaves, so you do not think that America has to go into Syria because they do not care.
	There is no economic benefit to that.
	So we just needed to go away this problem.
	And let me say something about chemical weapons.
	I have a new tact.
	I'm not going to say that I think they're great.
	But I would like to point out, in the United Kingdom, the Home Office, this is from the Telegraph, is testing a new form of chemical gun which could be used to control rioters and can be fired from more than 100 feet distance.
	Test of the discriminating irritant projectile.
	It's called a tear gas gun.
	Discriminant irritant projectile.
	What does that even mean?
	What?
	Well, I'm glad you asked.
	A form of gun that will fire an irritant substance like CS gas or pepper spray.
	Yeah?
	Is it like a flamethrower shoots out a big spray?
	Like the squirt gun every kid wants?
	I hope so.
	I hope so.
	But it's like, that's a chemical weapon.
	It is the definition.
	It is a weapon that shoots a chemical.
	It is a chemical weapon.
	Yet, oh, there's a red line over there in Syria.
	But the poor slaves of the United Kingdom are going to get the discriminant irritating projectile up their booty.
	Hey, slave!
	Stop, or I'll shoot a discriminant irritating projectile at you!
	Wow.
	Would you like a fun fact while we're at it?
	You know, I am Mr.
	Fun Fact.
	Where does the name Taser come from?
	Uh...
	Uh-huh.
	I thought I knew that.
	It is an acronym.
	Yeah, I would think so.
	And the guy who invented this named it after one of his favorite science fiction characters, Thomas A. Swift.
	And the acronym stands for Thomas A. Swift Electronic Rifle Taser.
	And people who know me know that I have read all the Tom Swift books.
	I'm finding this hard to believe.
	No.
	I'm looking at the Wikipedia page now trying to find this.
	John's like, oh, wait a minute.
	It's not explained on here.
	Let me try this.
	Why do you not like my factoid?
	It's just one of those things that I think was...
	It sounds like it was reverse engineered.
	That's the reason I... You don't like my...
	Fact!
	That's the reason.
	Remember, you can't say fact without act.
	This is my new one.
	What a great slogan.
	We are so good at this.
	Why do they do these 99 things?
	This is stupid.
	Anyway, so that is the world in a nutshell, ladies and gentlemen.
	That's what's going on.
	Meanwhile, let me just look over at CNN. Manhunt.
	What are they after now?
	I don't know.
	Men.
	I just want men.
	I want to find some men.
	Let's thank our...
	We had this idiot...
	Let's thank our two or three producers.
	Oh, yeah.
	We came in a little...
	You know, these Sundays, you know, it makes you wonder.
	No, no, wait a minute.
	First of all, we're idiots.
	It is show 512.
	The date is 512.
	Can we be any denser?
	How dumb are we?
	I don't know.
	Don't we have a database of these numbers and what they mean?
	Yeah.
	No.
	Show 512 on 512 is ludicrous that we miss that.
	And it's Mother's Day.
	So let's go on this.
	It's 5-12, show 5-12, on 5-12, on Mother's Day, and we come up short.
	Yeah, with not a single 5-12 in the bunch.
	Okay, good work everybody.
	Yeah, but you gotta wonder.
	You really do have to wonder.
	You know how much scrambling there is between Thursday and Sunday's show?
	It's way too much.
	I mean, wouldn't it make more sense?
	I mean, I'm just waxing poetic here.
	But in the Sunday show, they keep coming up short.
	We just do a longer Thursday show and people can break it up themselves and do it that way.
	Just do once a week.
	I think it would be a little...
	There's two problems with that.
	I mean, it's a good pitch, but there's two problems I have.
	One...
	The news cycle over that long a period, especially with the number of things that break on Friday.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Especially in today's news world, a lot of bad shit happens on Friday, so it can get glossed over over the weekend.
	You're right, you're right, you're right.
	Like the carny thing.
	I will say that this was Austin Fashion Week, and of course the show was very handy for me.
	Like, oh honey...
	I really can't go to the final show because, you know, it's like Saturday night.
	Clips.
	Clips.
	I got to record clips.
	You know, I don't want to be scrambling.
	It's a great excuse.
	It's almost like being married.
	You're getting married to the show and you use it like when most married people do this, you use your spouse as the excuse for not doing something you don't want to do that everybody thinks you should do.
	Yeah.
	Come on, you've got to come out with us.
	We're going to go bowling.
	My wife wants me to do this.
	Yeah, I've got to do this thing this week.
	I've got to pick her up from the airport.
	Now, of course, it was in town and I would have gone, but I don't have $175 for a ticket.
	I'm just not going to do that.
	Aren't these shows for buyers who are going to go to buy the lines?
	Oh, you're presuming...
	This is Austin, dude.
	It's like money talks here.
	No, no, no.
	Now, Mickey was in, you know, because she's a photographer and everything, so she didn't have to pay.
	But if I wanted to go in and I wanted a seat, and it was more, maybe it was like $250 or something.
	And like, well, is it for a benefit?
	Yeah, the guy who organizes it.
	Okay, thanks.
	No.
	You know, so it's just, but anyway, so yes, I use it as an excuse, but it is on, you know, Saturdays, it's true.
	You know, I start in the afternoon, We're always...
	I'm not complaining.
	Anyway, let's thank our producers.
	And by the way, what are you going to be doing in a fashion show?
	You'd look so gay, it would be ridiculous.
	Well...
	And you're not going to date any of these women?
	Oh, now you're just being mean.
	No, I'm just saying, I'm giving you a practical reason for not wanting to go.
	No, but you're just being mean now.
	Okay, I'm being mean.
	Because it's fun.
	I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
	It's fun.
	In every which way.
	The gay reference is inappropriate.
	I apologize to that to our 40 gay listeners.
	That's all?
	Actually, we have a lot.
	I suck.
	I really got to work on that.
	No, it's not about the gay thing.
	You can say whatever you want.
	No, it's like, you know, but this is kind of the dream.
	You know, the dream is you go to the fashion show with your wife, and then, you know, there's going to be these hot models, and they're going to come back with us.
	We're going to have a big orgy.
	That's not going to happen?
	Yeah, that is the dream.
	I think it's called a hallucination.
	I had a real dream last night, and I woke up from this.
	Put this in the Red Book, just for yucks.
	All right.
	And it was vivid, okay?
	It was vivid, and maybe because we've played a couple of clips of him recently.
	I've been watching video of him.
	Are you ready for this?
	Joe Biden was president.
	Exactly.
	And he sucked.
	Exactly.
	I mean, it was like a takeover, and he was off his rocker, and he was just like insane.
	Well, there's a lot of people who believe there's tons of scandal underlying this administration that is just waiting to emerge, and we've got like three years to wait for it to happen, and Obama would just walk from the position.
	It's funny you say that.
	Let me just go back to his Heil Everybody speech.
	This is very interesting that you bring this up, John.
	Hold on a sec.
	Oh, it's not that one.
	It's the Heil everybody.
	Hold on, let me get this.
	Wow, you just made me think of something.
	You know how sometimes, actually we have this a lot, where you're recording a clip and then you don't hear about it, but you hear it the second time.
	You just said something that triggered.
	Let me hear it in a second.
	Hi everybody.
	Okay, Heil everybody.
	Now let's listen back at the end here.
	And if you're one of the millions of Americans who could take advantage of that, you should ask your representative of Congress why they won't act on it.
	Wait for it.
	Our economy and our housing market are poised for progress.
	But we could do so much more if we work together.
	More good jobs, greater security for middle class families, a sense that your hard work is rewarded.
	That's what I'm fighting for.
	And that's what I'm going to keep on fighting for, as long as I hold this office.
	Uh-huh.
	What does that mean?
	As long as I hold this office.
	Yeah, well, it's a vagary.
	I mean, it could mean a lot.
	Who knows?
	I don't know what it means.
	I mean, there's no chance of getting re-elected, so it doesn't make sense to say it for that reason.
	I mean, we know how long it is.
	We know when it's going to end.
	So as long as I hold this office?
	Well, maybe he's already planning to quit.
	Well, he's made enough references to it recently.
	Yeah, he made the reference with the $100 million from Shelley Adelson.
	I think that was a reference.
	Shelley Adderall.
	Shelley Adderall.
	It's like, you know, we'd take the $100 million and we'd walk.
	Maybe he still will.
	Maybe if Adelson hates the guy so much, he'd just offer him the money now to quit.
	Is that against the law?
	Has a president ever quit?
	Has a sitting president ever quit?
	Yeah, Johnson quit.
	He quit?
	Yeah.
	No.
	Yeah.
	What happened?
	Nixon quit.
	No, no.
	Johnson did quit.
	He decided not to rerun.
	Nixon quit.
	But Nixon was impeached, was he not?
	Wasn't Nixon impeached?
	He was not convicted.
	He quit.
	He quit and then Gerald Ford became president and couldn't get re-elected because the first thing he did was pardon Nixon.
	And fall down the steps.
	He could have pardoned him.
	He didn't have to pardon him right away.
	Whatever the case, they all do that to each other.
	They're all committing crimes.
	Is there any other president that has quit?
	President that has...
	All you can do is type in resigned presidents.
	No, president that has quit.
	You've got to say quit.
	Resigning doesn't count.
	If the president has to go, I quit!
	I quit.
	Here, what?
	Oh, wiki answers.
	Oh, I love the book of knowledge.
	What U.S. presidents quit being president?
	Okay, that's the question.
	Richard Milhouse Nixon was the only president to resign, in parentheses, quit the office.
	There you go.
	There's your answer.
	Okay, well, there's always room for two.
	There's always another spot in history.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Onward.
	Onward with our executive producers.
	We have one executive producer by virtue of the fact that he added $2.02 to a $200 donation.
	Thus...
	David Dolson in Houston, Texas, gets the position of executive producer.
	This is the best we could do on this Sunday, 5-12 on 5-12 on Mother's Day.
	Karma from last show might be working, so not going to F it up.
	Got a cat named Kiki.
	So a Dr.
	Kiki, it's science, seems appropriate.
	Your show equals awesome.
	Shut up already!
	It's science!
	Thank you.
	And then we have two associate executive producers.
	Hold on one second.
	I'm not sure that Ken didn't send us.
	Sir Kent?
	Yeah, I don't think so.
	Let me take a quiz.
	Sir Kent?
	Kent.
	Just type that in.
	I should get something.
	I didn't expect that.
	Apparently you have a lot of friends named Kent.
	No, I just don't have, apparently nobody named Kent, but the thing expanded itself to it.
	There we go.
	All right.
	Kent O'Rourke, notification.
	Nope.
	So Kent O'Rourke, Sir Kent, as a matter of fact, from Frostburg, Maryland, $200.
	And then finally, Kevin Matz in Calgary, Alberta, where all the money is, $200.
	Thanks, John and Adam.
	Here's Value for Value Contribution.
	No Agenda episodes are the best self-radicalization tutorials in the universe.
	That's right.
	We work very hard on that.
	It's a reputation we don't need, but that's fine.
	But we'll take it.
	And thank you to our artists.
	Thank you, Thorin, for the artwork on episode 511.
	Fine job.
	Noagendaartgenerator.com is where you can find all of that.
	And please consider us for the Thursday show.
	This is short...
	Short fact.
	Yeah, for 5-12 and 5-12.
	Mother's Day.
	Mother's Day.
	Not only is it Mother's Day, which is by presidential proclamation, I'll have you know.
	This is no bogative holiday.
	Congress, by a joint resolution approved May 8, 1914, designated the second Sunday in May each year as Mother's Day and requested the president to call for its appropriate observance.
	And that was done by Senator Hallmark?
	Yeah.
	But it is also Peace Officers Memorial Day and Police Week.
	It is National Women's Health Week.
	It is National Defense Transportation Day and National Transportation Week.
	And yesterday was National Train Day, John.
	I can't believe we missed it.
	All the more trains good, planes bad.
	Very sad.
	Very sad.
	What an opportunity to support the show on Train Day, Mother's Day, 5-12-5-12.
	Hello?
	Is this thing on?
	We had one person remind us of the 512.
	One.
	Oh, well.
	Oh, well.
	That's all right.
	That's all right.
	Hey, if you enjoy CNN, Fox, if you enjoy Rock Center, which has been canceled, by the way.
	What?
	Rock Center.
	Canceled, baby.
	Rock Center?
	You mean the second version of the nightly news?
	Yep.
	Along with the new normal.
	Oh, the new normal was a dog.
	And Go On, which I kind of liked.
	I never heard of it.
	Go On?
	Yeah, it was with Matthew Perry.
	That was kind of a good show.
	Kind of a war on crazy type show.
	And I try to catch all these things at least one episode so I can say, oh my god, I saw that.
	So please, think of us.
	And of course, you always have to continue handing out those CDs.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Shut up, Slade!
	There you go.
	That's right.
	Shut up, Slade.
	Did you put the Joe Biden president in the book?
	Yep.
	Because that was, to me, it was like, whew.
	It was very vivid.
	And he was digging it, by the way.
	No, he was going to run.
	Do you think he is?
	Oh, yeah.
	He ran before.
	He's got a taste of the good life.
	He's an egomaniac.
	He thinks everyone loves him, and he'll run.
	He thinks the chicks dig him, that's for sure.
	Yeah.
	He's got that smirk of a douchebag.
	Hey, baby.
	Hey, ladies.
	Hey, ladies.
	Don't you love me?
	Hey, why don't you come by the Oval Office?
	I'll see if we can fit a square peg in a round hole, baby.
	Just imagine him saying that, too.
	Hey, the Sandy Hook School is being demolished.
	I know.
	Can you make it any funnier?
	So they had a big meeting.
	John, that's a great laugh.
	That, ladies and gentlemen, is when John is truly entertained.
	Now, what tickles you when I say this?
	It's just like the icing on the cake for the whole thing.
	What are we going to do now?
	Let's tear down the school.
	They can't find a bullet.
	They can't do anything.
	Where's the blood?
	The place was pretty secure, too, because it had an outside door with a camera on it.
	You had to ask to get in.
	Yeah, it was new.
	Yeah, it was a new school.
	Why are they destroying it?
	Oh, the memories.
	It's the memories.
	Well, yes, it's the memories.
	They didn't tear down that crazy Columbine.
	But it gets better.
	They're going to rebuild the new school on top of it.
	And it's going to be called Sandy Hook 2?
	But it's like, you know, if you want to...
	If there's real memory issues, then go somewhere else.
	But no, they just said, oh, we'll just tear this one down and anything else that might be inconvenient.
	So there was a beginning of The Last Persons of Interest, which is one of my favorite TV dramas, about everybody being spied on.
	And at the beginning of the show, it says, caution, some viewers, because of recent events, some viewers may be disturbed by images in this show.
	And the only real image is just of somebody getting shot.
	There's nothing else.
	It's not like they're shooting kids or anything.
	But there's a lot of very, there's actually a couple of funny gunfights, including one where it was just essentially the protagonist.
	There's a wedding with a guy holding a gun aimed at the bride saying, you're going to be the only one for me.
	He just drives up in a Ferrari, shoots the guy in the back and takes off.
	I mean, it was one of the funniest things they've done on the show.
	You'd have to be a viewer.
	The chat room has some good ideas, actually.
	It should be called the No Agenda School for the Deaf, Dumb, and Blind.
	God, you guys are horrible.
	But here's a report that blew me away.
	Do you remember?
	Well, I'm not going to say it.
	See if you remember one of our older clips.
	Someone made a reference to this, and you caught it.
	And then this report comes out, and this of course is about, we've been talking a lot about drills at schools.
	Now, of course, we had that drill in, I think it was Cleveland, where the cops, like, you know, no one even knew.
	They hadn't even told the teachers it was going to happen.
	And, you know, cops are shooting, you know, blanks around and scaring everybody.
	And so they're doing all these drills continuously, because we have nothing better to do.
	And, of course, this is the number one threat.
	Oh, will somebody please think of the children?
	But who is the threat?
	Yeah.
	Recent tragic events have made training a lot more important for local police and fire.
	Today, as part of a training exercise, two shooters went on a simulated rampage at the Washington State Fairgrounds in Cuyallup.
	They pretended to be angry parents at a school.
	The idea was to test the abilities of police and firefighters to respond to a situation that was right out of the news headlines.
	Now, angry parents?
	Right out of the news headlines?
	Did I miss something?
	I haven't seen the angry parent thing.
	Let me ask the more...
	See, I think that this is totally...
	I think this is bogus completely.
	Because there's no way that somebody's going to fake being an angry parent and do anything with it.
	Because they can get shot.
	We've been dealing with this cross-country for years.
	We've been dealing with it for years!
	Angry parents, it's the number one problem.
	Age one, unfortunately, we learn new things that we need to train for and develop new skills for.
	Pretty intense stuff.
	One of the newer tactics is to provide police cover for fire and rescue teams so they can get closer to victims.
	Oh!
	Won't somebody please think of the children?
	Do you remember we had a...
	I couldn't find it offhand that quickly.
	Victims?
	Oh, yeah.
	So the angry parent's going to come into a school and shoot the place up, is that what they're saying?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But do you remember that that one woman, she was talking about how she was at Sandy Hook, and she said, first I thought it might be an angry parent, and she corrected herself?
	Right.
	Right.
	Has this ever happened?
	Prelude.
	Prelude.
	We're resetting.
	We're resetting for something else to happen so we can go in that direction because apparently this other direction caused too much skepticism.
	Also created a horrible kind of morose because the kids were involved and it was at the hands of a maniac.
	We need angry parents so they're more normal people.
	Yes, I think this is much better because there's no better way to scare children than to make them think that their parents might actually shoot them.
	That's better.
	I think this is much, much better.
	Don't finally refine a perfect scenario.
	This may take years.
	No, I don't know.
	This could be coming sooner than you think.
	Okay, we're putting in the book.
	Yeah, hold on.
	Adam's gonna read his email, Adam's gonna read his email, Adam's gonna read his email on the No Agenda show.
	I just wanted to do two here, since we're talking about it, because we have asked parents, kids, if you're doing some kind of training in school, let us know, particularly if your teachers tell you or your teachers are telling your kids not to tell the parents about it.
	And I have two here.
	One is from a producer, Kevin.
	Adam and John, I graduated high school two years ago.
	I love hearing it.
	Don't you love hearing that?
	We've got young people listening to this show.
	Okay.
	When I was in school, we'd have lockdown drills once a semester.
	The principal would come on the intercom and tell us we were having a lockdown drill.
	We'd have to turn off the lights, lock the doors, put up blackout curtains, and hide under our desks.
	Then people would walk through the hallways and shake the doorknobs and try to get in.
	They never, however, told us not to tell our parents about this.
	Once a year we'd have a bomb drill.
	Everyone would have to go out onto the football field.
	Once there we'd be divided up alphabetically and have to check in with the teachers.
	Once we were checked in, we'd be given a big orange sticker.
	Which would be put on the left side of our chest around where the heart is.
	After that, we'd go sit on the bleachers until the drill was over.
	Seems to never consider if someone might put a bomb under the bleachers and kill us all.
	Forget that.
	How about this big orange?
	Why didn't they do a yellow star?
	That would have been funnier.
	Put a big yellow star on your chest.
	I never had that when I was a kid.
	We had Captain Dan the traffic guy land on the football field once.
	That was like the only time the school would go out.
	No, this is again bringing us back to the 50s.
	They're trying to intimidate the children of the country so they're all cowering in fear and they want the government to protect them.
	Yes.
	And then this one from producer Christopher.
	I was concerned...
	Oh, hold on a second.
	Did I lose something here?
	Oh, hold on a second.
	Oh, crap.
	This was such a good note and somehow I lost some of it in my notes.
	Hold on a second.
	Play a little ditty while I look for this, John.
	Oh, let's see.
	What do I have here?
	Just play a little ditty.
	I'll play a lament.
	In the morning, sir.
	I'm a monthly donor, and I'm just listening to the latest episode of...
	A little softer.
	A little softer.
	In the morning, sir.
	I'm a monthly donor and I'm just listening to the latest episode of the best podcast in the universe.
	You asked for dads to email in and mention their stories, so here is ours.
	It's from Christopher.
	A few months ago, my seven-year-old daughter is a second grader in the largest school district in New Jersey, that being Manalapan.
	A few months ago, when you broached the subject, I went ahead and asked her if they had any kinds of drills in school.
	She replied, nothing recent, but that they had had a safety drill a few weeks ago.
	So I asked her to let me know when they had another one.
	See, already interesting the kid didn't tell her dad.
	That would be kind of, hey, we had kind of an interesting thing happen today at school.
	So I asked her to let me know when they had another one.
	Several weeks later she came home and told me they had had another one.
	I asked her what it entailed.
	To this she explained that they all have to run behind the teacher and get locked in a secret room until the all clear is sounded.
	Cops are always part of the drill.
	She then tells me that if they don't comply with the administration, the administration will know because of the secret window they have into each of the classrooms.
	I made an offhanded comment about it probably being a camera and that I didn't think it was right for them to scare the kids like that.
	I was concerned when she relayed the party line to me for a defense.
	Bad people are out there and want to hurt us.
	There's nothing wrong with practicing to hide from those people.
	Needless to say, I have a lot of work ahead of me.
	What's worse was weeks later, some moron kid in the middle school tweeted a lame-ass threat and the whole district was placed on lockdown.
	When I went to pick up my daughter from aftercare, the talk was like someone was shot.
	The horror that had taken place was just somewhat shameless.
	Not to mention the phony bomb threat called in the day after the false flag in Boston.
	Hope you find this interesting enough to read it on the air.
	Yeah, I think that's very interesting.
	Secret window.
	All right, children, get in the secret room.
	You're being watched at all times, children.
	If you don't do it, the secret window will know.
	We see you.
	You know, the thing is that Twitter, the kid who did the tweet, is, I think, part of a bigger trend, which I think is kind of the, I guess, the rebellion against this, which is, I think, somewhat sensible.
	But it reminds me of what's going on.
	I have the clip.
	Play the swatting clip, and I want to talk about that for a second.
	Okay.
	Good morning, everybody.
	Hollywood, not the only place being victimized by celebrity swatters.
	It is now being reported that cops swarmed Anderson Cooper's house in the Hamptons last month after pranksters said there was a shooting there.
	Cooper was not home at the time, and this is the first swatter we've heard of in our area, but more than a dozen celebs have been swatted in L.A. in recent months, including Justin Timberlake and Selena Gomez.
	It costs money.
	It takes resources from where they need to be.
	Please.
	And Braulf also got swatted.
	They forgot to put him in the list.
	Did he?
	Yeah.
	Well, this is like, there's two things about this.
	One, this is the rebellion.
	This is kids doing this, obviously.
	Some jokers.
	It's the new version of prank phone call.
	Yeah, but the thing is, so if there's any reported shooting now, are you telling me that it always brings out SWAT, special weapons and tactics?
	Yes.
	Aren't these for, like, you know, major kidnappings or bank hostage situations or something like that?
	Not a, you know, one guy fires a gun?
	I mean, can't you just send two or three cops over there?
	You have to send the SWAT team?
	Hold on.
	These are celebrities, John.
	Yeah, I guess there's a better chance of the Celebrities actually getting shot dead by one of these SWAT guys, so I guess that might be a plus.
	But the Celebrities are important.
	We need to protect Anderson Cooper.
	SWAT. SWAT. This is going to get worse before it gets better.
	Yeah.
	I encourage this.
	This is the kind of anarchy that is actually very good.
	I'm all for it.
	We don't have this problem here in Austin.
	I do not.
	Let me see if there's been a swatting in Austin before I get all sort of, that's not true, man.
	Austin sucks, dude.
	Austin ain't all that great.
	He ain't all that, bitch.
	Me, me, me, me.
	Austin swatting.
	Let me see.
	You know what's going to happen.
	Let me see.
	Ryan Seacrest was swatted.
	That's kind of cool.
	But he wasn't in Austin.
	Austin swatting a SpongeBob piñata.
	That's about the extent of the swatting we get in Austin.
	Selena Gomez.
	No.
	So, not according to a quick book of knowledge.
	Oh, wait.
	Oh, wait.
	Here's one.
	July 3rd, Austin, Texas.
	Hold on.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Democratic, operative, and self-proclaimed hacker, Neil Rauhauser, good name, has accused Brandon Darby of swatting.
	Darby is a political activist and former FBI operative.
	So what happened here?
	Hmm...
	It doesn't say.
	No, no, no.
	It doesn't look like this happened in Austin.
	Yeah.
	Well, you know why?
	It will.
	No.
	We don't have this problem here.
	How many times do I have to tell you?
	Because everyone's armed.
	Yeah.
	We had Mickey's brother here and his wife for a couple days.
	They're on the way to the airport.
	And it's always fun, especially with Dutch people, when you kind of get into the gun thing.
	And it's interesting how the European psyche has been already programmed by the news.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, you know, you guys got a lot more crazies here.
	Oh, yeah, that's it.
	That's right.
	There's no one crazy in Europe.
	No one crazy in Norway.
	Or, oh gee, Holland.
	And a guy shot up the shopping center.
	No one crazy there.
	Of course, the Dutch also don't know that all their banks have been nationalized.
	What?
	Really?
	What?
	What?
	He didn't know?
	No, he didn't.
	He didn't know anything.
	It's terrible.
	He did.
	He knew.
	He actually turned me on to something very cool.
	Because we were talking about...
	I was talking about Kickstarter.
	And I said, yeah.
	And he hadn't heard of Kickstarter, but I said, this is a really cool lamp.
	Have you seen this, John?
	The LED lamp that you can control with your smartphone.
	You can make it any color you want.
	It was a Kickstarter project.
	They wanted $100,000.
	They raised $1.3 million.
	And he's from Holland.
	He's like, Phillips has had that for years.
	You can buy it in the Apple store.
	I'm like, what?
	What?
	But what he turned me on to was this thing called Li-Fi.
	Have you heard of this?
	Li-Fi?
	No.
	So Li-Fi, and there's a whole consortium.
	I've been Googling on this, and this is like, wow, this is totally an Atom project.
	So you have LED lighting, and you can have it anywhere.
	You can have it on the street.
	You can have it in your home.
	LED lighting can be anywhere.
	But because it's LED, you can turn it on and off in very fast succession.
	So you don't even notice that it's flickering, but with your smartphone, your smartphone's camera can detect the flickering and can receive the messages, and it can receive the communication from the LED flickering of the lighting.
	This is reminiscent of, remember that Microsoft wristwatch?
	Yeah, you would program.
	It was a Timex.
	Was that a Timex?
	And you'd hold the wristwatch up to the monitor.
	Uh-huh.
	And then it would flash at the thing and it would load it with the data.
	Right.
	So the idea is, and it's kind of cool because there's no intercepting of it.
	It's like if you intercept it, then the person doesn't receive it because you're blocking the light.
	So you can hold your phone in your hand.
	The front-facing camera receives the flickering light, and it can be micro.
	It can be like a square foot that you can get a certain message.
	Walk three feet further, and you get a different message.
	Now, I'm seeing, of course, it's like, wow, Morse code.
	I'm already all over the map with this thing.
	Well, apparently Fraunhofer's already gotten up to three gigabits per second communication.
	It's light, yeah.
	Yeah, it's light.
	The problem is, it seems to me, I mean, I understand what they're trying to do.
	And, of course, they'll have the whole neighborhood flashing like that or just have it in any place other than where it's supposed to go.
	It may cause epilepsy.
	Yes, some kind.
	Yeah, and what's your problem?
	Yeah, that's my problem.
	I don't know, I like these kinds of things.
	There's something about the alternative forms of communication that doesn't include some central entity that is going to protect our freedoms that turns me on.
	Yeah, well, good luck with that thinking.
	Well, thank you.
	And the message will always be the same.
	Stay in place.
	Stay in your house.
	Resume normal activity.
	Yeah, resume normal activity.
	The new Superman movie is out, Man of Steel.
	And this is just shameless.
	Shameless what they have done.
	I guess the Armed Forces, Pentagon, or Department of Defense paid for the movie.
	Complete time.
	This was...
	Oh, let me thank him before he gets all pissed off about it.
	What's your blogger guy name from Dvorak.org?
	Gasparini?
	Yes, Gasparini.
	Sergio.
	Thank you, Sergio.
	You rock.
	Okay.
	He found this and sent it to us before the movie came out.
	This is the commercial that plays in the theater before you see the movie Man of Steel, and it's intercut between, well, you'll hear what it is, and the movie.
	They are in your community.
	Perhaps in this very theater.
	Seemingly ordinary people.
	Who know the uniform they wear.
	Makes an extraordinary difference.
	People who always answer the call for help.
	Revealing who they truly are.
	Capable of extraordinary beats. .
	These are the citizen soldiers of the National Guard.
	Learn how one American icon inspires another at soldierofsteel.com.
	So that was clearly mixed for the cinema.
	Yeah, man of steel, soldier of steel.
	Yeah, but soldierofsteel.com, you know, the citizen soldiers of the National Guard.
	We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.
	We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.
	That sounds like the same word to me.
	Civilian soldiers.
	Of steel.
	I'm sorry.
	Of steel.
	Soldiers of steel.
	Do you think it's a little bit of propaganda?
	I haven't seen the movie, but do you think there could be anything there that's a little askew?
	Lots.
	Hey, I got a couple of interesting clips.
	Oh, well, that's nice because...
	So, you know, you always like, at the beginning, people get to listen to the pre-roll, or the pre-roll, it's not pre-roll, it's the prelude to the show.
	Pre-stream.
	This pre-stream of the stream.
	When the fat lady sings the Valkyries tune from Dick Wagner, you say Cinco de Mayo.
	We just recently had a Cinco de Mayo.
	Yeah, which is what she's singing, by the way.
	She's singing Cinco de Mayo.
	And it's assumed that everyone that listens to the show either knows the Sanko DiMales or whatever.
	There's a show called Eggheads or Brainiacs or something.
	I think it's Eggheads.
	on the BBC, and they have these geniuses on one side and then people challenging them.
	And generally speaking, if anyone visits the UK much, years ago, this is not true anymore.
	I think it's kind of interesting.
	But years ago, I remember like in the 80s, you'd watch the television and they'd have these game shows and they'd be asking these strange questions like, in 1786, which prince married which Belgian monarch?
	And these guys would answer the question.
	And they'd have these really Now, the public has been dumbed down so much.
	That was Prince Leonard of Belgium?
	So here was the Sanco de Mayo.
	Somebody asked the question.
	Oh, God.
	What is Sanco de Mayo?
	What is Sanco de Mayo, which you'd think in England they might have a clue.
	The Cinco de Mayo is a holiday celebrating an 1862 military victory over the French in which country?
	Is it Portugal, Mexico, or Spain?
	Cinco de Mayo is a holiday celebrating an 1862 military victory over the French in which country?
	Well, Cinco de Mayo is...
	Spanish, isn't it?
	It's Spanish or Portuguese, isn't it?
	Portuguese.
	I think it's Greece.
	Russia?
	No, I don't think they did.
	Or Mexico.
	Just go for Spain, do you think?
	I'm not sure at all, to be honest.
	Spain or Portugal?
	Those guys could totally take over this show.
	It sounds like you and I. It's like, hmm, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	What do you think?
	Spain?
	Portugal?
	I don't know.
	Maybe Greece?
	I mean, are you sure this is...
	And by the way, they've also made this a three-part, you know, so they gave you the answer.
	Let's listen again.
	I can't...
	I can't...
	It's not my...
	We're going to chase the Spanish into Portugal.
	I don't know.
	Um...
	Cinco de Mayo.
	I'll go Spain.
	Cinco...
	Cinco de Mayo sounds Spanish, so it could be Spain or Mexico.
	Or Portuguese.
	because there's a wild one possibly mexico yeah because the french in the southern states of me yes it's a possibility it's a possibility it's a good world in not mexico well we don't know as we When we're discussing something, we need that.
	Yeah, we need some background music.
	Everything's got background music.
	Now, I'm watching these shows that...
	You don't have to run any more of that.
	I want to hear the end.
	Now you've got me hooked.
	Hello.
	You can probably guess.
	And we're going to have a complete guess at Mexico.
	What a change of mind that was.
	Spain, Portugal, Portugal, Spain.
	Mexico wasn't on the list.
	Then suddenly Chad says, let's go wild and get the right answer.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	That was just really a minute and a half of my life.
	I remember from the 80s when they seemed intelligent.
	No.
	By the way, the whole show is like this.
	They don't know anything.
	It's amazing.
	What, and I wonder, maybe this will be the, let me see.
	That's pretty good, right?
	Yeah, I know.
	Keep playing.
	We'll talk over there.
	Do you think it's Mexico or Spain?
	I don't know.
	You know, in Portuguese, isn't that like Spanish, only backwards?
	It's a little bit like it, but it sounds different when they speak it.
	Although it has a certain ring to it, but I don't think Sanko is much.
	No, it could also be Guam.
	I mean, I haven't really...
	Guam.
	I'm guessing Guam.
	I know it's not on the list, but that may be a trick question.
	Is Sanko, is that really Spanish, or is that a dialect of French?
	What do you think?
	I think the music builds too much.
	You've got to stay with the beginning of the sequence.
	This one.
	And loop it.
	You've got to loop the beginning of the sequence.
	Someone will do that for us.
	Yeah, this right here, yeah.
	The beginning part.
	It's the weakest link is what we need.
	That's the one.
	That's pretty good.
	We just need that part.
	That's good.
	I like that piece.
	Yeah, I think this will improve the show.
	I think donations are up!
	That's right.
	All these news shows, with very rare exception, they're playing music underneath.
	They've got all kinds of effects and stuff.
	With a voiceover.
	Yeah.
	It's not shooting stuff.
	Boom, boom.
	We are not doing it right.
	We have to sweeten up a few more of these clips from now on.
	We're not doing it right.
	That's obvious.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Play the love clip just out of the blue.
	Okay.
	Love.
	It's the most powerful thing on the planet.
	I totally agree.
	That's it.
	There you go.
	It was Mother's Day today and we got no love.
	We seriously got no love.
	Not only do we get no love, we don't even have moms anymore.
	How sad are we?
	Yeah, what happened?
	I thought you meant we don't have moms listening.
	No, we don't have moms.
	Our moms, I mean, we have them, but they're floating around, you know, laughing.
	Well, they're apparently not helping us get any donations.
	They're like, ha!
	They're sitting up there on a cloud.
	Those boys need to get work.
	I told them he should stay in college.
	What was the point of this podcast nonsense?
	What was your mom's name?
	Phyllis.
	Phyllis and Valerie.
	Val.
	Yes, Phil.
	Val and Phil.
	And Phil is like, I remember when the steam engine first came around. .
	So I'm listening to Australian TV, and they're having a slight depression.
	I guess the whole world is, but nobody wants to talk about it.
	Oh, no.
	Why do that?
	And so their solution is this more women in the workplace clip.
	Hold on.
	I don't have that.
	Oh, yes, I do.
	I'm sorry.
	Yes.
	Set up or are we good to go?
	I'll do an after setup.
	More women to go into the workforce.
	If you look at the Grattan research and the research of others, the two most important productivity improvements we can implement as a government, if we get that privilege, is to get more seniors to stay in the workforce and to get more women to go into or stay in the workforce.
	Okay, well, hold on.
	All right, John.
	In other words, don't let any of these kids get work ever.
	Keep everybody in the workplace and work them to death.
	Work the women to death.
	Work the old folks to death.
	And this is going to be a great productivity deal.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	You've got to play the music when I'm doing the beds.
	This is where you talk.
	Oh, okay.
	Sorry, it's not me.
	The Australians are crazy!
	So more women in the workplace.
	And more seniors.
	In fact, I'm seeing a lot of seniors now at McDonald's.
	And they're not just eating mean food.
	Would you like fries?
	Would you like fries with that?
	Well, they've got a good meal plan.
	That's a little pet peeve of mine.
	But let me just say something about that.
	Because America, we've always had seniors and restaurants and certainly diners.
	Walmart.
	Fast food.
	Well, I don't go out.
	I can't go to Walmart.
	But part of that, I've always felt, was also because seniors want to stay relevant and be active.
	And I used to talk to old folk.
	And they'd be like, yeah, I'm on fixed income and this is extra, but I like being around young people who are also in the store and being around people and interacting with people and helping people.
	In fact, the old people in the store, yeah, okay, may be a little slower, but they are going to actually help you, I find.
	They care.
	Yeah, as opposed to the kids.
	No, they don't give a crap.
	Although not at Home Depot.
	Wow, whatever program they got at Home Depot, I'm all for it.
	I think it's just that store, because that's not everybody's experience.
	No, it is Home Depot.
	This is exactly what I'm saying.
	Home Depot is doing something with their young employees that I'm all for.
	I think it's fantastic.
	Like I'm saying, I'll say it again, we don't see that at our Home Depots.
	At all?
	No.
	Well, our Home Depots rock.
	Okay, well, that's good for now.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I ran into a weird anecdote.
	I want to ask you about this.
	They had Diane Sawyer.
	Oh, drunk?
	Drunk?
	No, no.
	I haven't seen her drunk for a while.
	She was interviewing Foxy Noxy, that woman that was the murderess in Italy.
	Which I really don't know the story at all.
	No, you don't need to know the story.
	Thank goodness.
	But they're discussing something and then she brings up a point at the end of this little back and forth, which is very short.
	But right at the end she brings up something and I'm going to ask you, this is kind of like an ask Adam, if you've ever heard of this or if you even do it.
	The idea that was introduced was that there was at the very least some estrangement there over bathroom hygiene, over the, maybe it's a cultural difference, but the openness of condoms, the openness of the vibrator.
	Hold on.
	I'm just going to stop and enjoy that for a moment.
	Diane Sawyer saying, the openness of the vibrator.
	Oh, Diane, you dirty, dirty bitch.
	Did I just hear a bird?
	No.
	She was objecting to these things.
	It was hurtful to you, that it annoyed you.
	Actually, so this is one of the more strange things that happened, was that no one ever confronted me, no one, about the things that I kept in the bathroom or what...
	Like, what friends I had.
	That was never discussed while we were living together.
	The one time that she ever confronted me about something, she was very embarrassed and nice about it.
	And I was very embarrassed and awkwardly laughing about it afterwards.
	And that was when discussing that after you flush the toilet, you have to use the brush, which was not something that I was used to.
	And that was fairly early on.
	This was not something that happened afterwards.
	And it was fine.
	We didn't have an estrangement.
	And we didn't argue about anything.
	This is a very, very good interview.
	You thought so because of the vibrator joke.
	There's a whole bunch of stuff in here I'm liking.
	Well, so here's the question.
	Now, I've never heard of this, but I can imagine it as a cultural thing.
	You take a crap, or a pee for that matter, you flush the toilet, and you bring the brush out, and if there's any residual to anything, you scratch it, scratch away at it.
	Or if there's not, I mean, I'm assuming that this woman probably ate too much shellfish, and there was a mess in there, but I've just heard the story.
	Whatever the case.
	Wait, let me just write that down.
	Avoid shellfish when having sleepovers.
	So apparently, that was the house requirement.
	Have you ever done that?
	Is that anything you've ever heard of culturally out of Europe?
	Does Willow do it in Italy?
	Is it some Italian thing?
	I've never heard of this kind of hyper toilet cleaning.
	Yes.
	So every time you take a crap, you clean the toilet?
	Yes.
	Huh.
	Yes, we have a brush next to every toilet.
	No, we have a brush next to the toilet, but we don't find it necessary.
	Well, what do you do?
	Do you rub it over your head?
	No, you clean the toilet once in a while when it needs it.
	John, okay, hold on.
	Hold on a second.
	So you're telling me, now you can basically live alone.
	No, I got a bunch of people here and nobody does this.
	What do you mean a bunch of people?
	I got JC's here, my daughter's down here now.
	Alright, alright, alright, I got it.
	So you take a massive crap from your shellfish dinner that you cooked.
	It's all like, you know, we call them remspore, so there's tire skid marks.
	All over the toilet bowl.
	And so you flush.
	You go like, huh, good work!
	And then you leave?
	What kind of cheap-ass toilets do you use?
	And then you leave?
	Ah, ah, ah.
	Oh, hold on a second.
	Ah, this is very important.
	This is something you may not know.
	The toilets in the Netherlands for sure, but for many, many years in most of Europe had a shelf on it.
	You would actually poop on a shelf.
	I've studied this.
	The poop on the shelf toilets were only in Germany and Holland as far as I know.
	They weren't in France ever.
	Okay, so...
	French toilets, by the way, we have French toilets in this house, have an amazing, it's like an explosion when you hit the flush button.
	It's a button, boom.
	Boom!
	It blows off everything.
	Can you give me a brand name?
	Well, Porsche was one of them, but they got bought by Kohler, I think, and then there's a couple brands that they don't get over here, but Porsche is the French toilet of choice.
	So, now, I personally am a fan of the Flushmate 2000.
	Are you familiar with this device?
	Is this the one that washes your butt?
	No.
	Oh, man, I had one of those toilets in Amsterdam.
	It would shoot warm water up into your butt.
	He preheated, and then it would blow dry.
	Oh, jeez.
	Yes.
	So this is the toilet I had.
	So first of all, I had a urinal.
	This is when I had money.
	Sound effect.
	I had a urinal.
	Was there a sink in the bathroom?
	Yes.
	Then what did you need a little urinal for?
	Well, no.
	I had a separate two bathrooms.
	One with a sink and a urinal.
	It was a joke.
	Yeah, I know.
	So this toilet, you would sit on it.
	And the minute you sat on the seat, immediately...
	There was a...
	It was sucking air down.
	So any odors would immediately be taken away.
	Then you do your business and you had...
	I like the sound effect.
	It was very subtle.
	It was very nice.
	Because women would sit on it for the first time and go, ooh!
	They'd have to warn them.
	When you sit down, don't be afraid because you're just going to have this...
	Apparently, it's a little different sensation.
	And then when you were done, you would hit the button, and then, seriously, a mechanical thing would come out of the toilet.
	A thing.
	Yeah, like a tube.
	A copper tube would come out, rotate up, and then...
	Would spray a mist.
	Yeah.
	But a good one, like...
	And then followed by...
	And as long as you were sitting there, it would just dry your butt, and then you'd get up, and you'd be done.
	You didn't even have to wipe?
	It was that good?
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, wiping is really bad.
	And most cultures don't wipe with the crazy paper crap that we do.
	They use water.
	You don't know how to use the shells?
	Shells.
	Very obscure joke.
	People who have seen Total Recall will understand.
	But it remains, if you take a dump and there's residue, you don't clean it.
	You're just like, whatever, let the kids look at it.
	When the next person goes to pee, you can try and pee it off.
	Is that how you think?
	Is that how your household is run?
	Because not ours, man.
	Don't come to my house and poop in my toilet and not use the brush.
	I will call your ass out.
	Noted.
	So...
	But is that...
	Well, you asked me.
	Yeah, I did.
	I got a very good answer.
	I got a long explanation.
	Now we need to separate the two types of people that listen to this show.
	The ones who follow the rigidity of the Italians...
	As Amanda Knox pointed out, and the ones who are more lazy.
	Yeah, well, no, not lazy, just disgusting.
	No, that's rude.
	It's just rude.
	Okay, if you say so.
	I've been to plenty of bathrooms that don't have a brush.
	What are you supposed to do then?
	Lick it off?
	No.
	Ask for the brush?
	Hey, where's your brush in here?
	Yeah, or take a piece of toilet paper and do it for them.
	I don't think so.
	Okay.
	I'm just saying.
	I'm going to show my soul, but don't I? What?
	No wonder what?
	No wonder that you were nonplussed every time you dropped your iPhone into the can, which you've done a couple of times.
	Once.
	Oh, well.
	Once.
	Oh, I thought it was twice.
	No, once.
	Only once.
	I was the only person in all of Europe to have one.
	It was unfortunate that I did it, but it was only once.
	Could have sold that baby.
	I still have it somewhere.
	Alright, question answered.
	Noted.
	John C. Dvorak, what do you do after you take a nice shellfish shit at your friend's house and they don't have a brush?
	This is to tell the truth!
	Okay, you're supposed to answer.
	I scream for where's the brush.
	I'm going to show myself a little by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Well, now I know why I'm never invited over to your house.
	You were invited once, but you didn't use the brush.
	Patrick Turner we want to thank in Austin, Texas.
	He's right down the street from me.
	Did he send us a note?
	Did he?
	I don't know.
	Did he?
	He's in for $111.11.
	Let's see.
	Who's in charge of the notes?
	I am.
	Jennifer Loveberg in San Marcos, California, $103.
	The amount is 51.50 times 2.
	Okay, that's nice.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I guess it is.
	I listen to my 16-year-old son who turned me on to the show while we drive to school.
	There you go.
	Yeah, right on.
	Perfect.
	Thanks for keeping us sane.
	The money would have gone to NPR, but after their disgusting reporting of the Boston bombing, the money's going to you guys.
	Excellent.
	Thank you.
	That's how it's supposed to be.
	Can I get a karma and two to the head?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	You've got karma.
	You got it.
	Benjamin Salen in Wilmington, Delaware.
	You guys have changed the lives of my wife's 100 bucks, and I a douchebag.
	He wants a douchebag to Ron E. Douchebag!
	And whoever else is in the ambulance with me right now being subjected to this, so can I... Wait, is that EMT? I guess.
	Excellent.
	Hey!
	Hey!
	Haldol.
	Whoever it is, give him Haldol, and then take a video.
	Alright, now we got our 69-69 segment.
	69!
	69, dudes!
	Blake Buss in Santa Rosa.
	I believe we have his dad on the happy birthday list.
	69, 69.
	He's wishing him a happy 59th.
	One more year to go.
	Janie Cochran in Wichita, Kansas.
	69, 69.
	A Mother's Day gift to herself.
	Aww.
	Aww.
	Yeah, where's the boys in this?
	Catherine Anderson in South, someplace or other, New South Wales, Australia.
	69-69.
	I've been a douchebag for too long, just barely getting by, but now it's time to start paying my way.
	There's some hope for the world, because you guys do the show, and wants to say Gitmo Nation down under, a.k.a.
	Gitmo Nation Carbon Tax.
	Oh, that's true, yeah.
	They're full on now.
	Matthew J. Stevens, North Ricklar, Texas.
	Where's that?
	Or Richard, maybe it's something else.
	Let me stretch this.
	I don't know.
	Richard's...
	North Richland.
	Do you know that...
	The home of Richland oil.
	We have an election.
	Rick Perry will be challenged by Kay Bailey Hutchinson.
	Oh, God.
	Can you imagine if...
	I mean, what kind of choice is that?
	That's like...
	Douchebag one and douchebag two.
	That's like having the poop in the toilet bowl and a poopy brush.
	It's like you can't win that one.
	Patrick Seuss in Windsor, Victoria, 69-69.
	That kills the Canary.
	David Cardinia in Evergreen, Colorado, 66-66.
	That's kind of cool what he said here.
	Three weeks ago, a total stranger walked up to me and said, Para mañana.
	Later in the day, a recruiter called.
	I just got the new job.
	Thanks for the pre-karma.
	Para mañana!
	That's pretty cool.
	Daniel Vasquez in Cardiff, California, 55-55.
	Makes his commute better.
	Good.
	And I can't find my little pointer on my...
	There it is.
	Christopher Rivera, Superior, Colorado, 50.
	Sir Paul Della, Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, 50.
	Falco Richter in Berlin.
	Something aus Berlin.
	Hope this helps after the Google disaster.
	Schöne Grüße aus Berlin.
	Heather Simpkin and Henley on Thames in Oxfordshire.
	Love, Heather.
	Thank you.
	Sukhovi Alexander in Moscow.
	And finally, Mack Harbor LLC in Sheboygan, Michigan, $50.
	This is very interesting.
	Actually, it's advantageous to donate on a slow day because then you have a high likelihood of your note being read.
	Yeah, you've got a better likelihood.
	And you get executive producer for $202 instead of $333 or up.
	And two cents.
	Yeah, it was not good.
	No.
	We had enough subscribers at least to make it even.
	I got a note from Black Knight George from Bouncing Hill.
	What did he say here?
	Oh, he says that he is almost at a double knighthood, which means baronet, but he says, I do not want to be called a baronet.
	Nobody does.
	What did he say?
	I think I'm just going to kill it.
	He said, please don't give me the stupid title as Baronet when I reach 2K. We must think of something better.
	Black Baronet will unleash hell and I will not be able to walk straight when I leave the Dutch Supper Club.
	Okay.
	Let's take a look at the Purage page on the Wikipedia.
	Baronet?
	There may be a substitute for this.
	No, but Baronet, it is the correct title.
	It is the one.
	Yeah, I know that, but there may be a parallel in Russia, for example.
	Oh, a czar?
	Can we have a czar of some sort?
	Okay, so this really sucked.
	Thank you very much.
	Those of you who did support the show, everybody else, be ashamed of yourselves.
	Dvorak.org slash N. Seriously, you should be kind of ashamed.
	It's just what it means.
	Two birthdays today.
	Blake Buss says happy birthday to his dad, turns 59 on the 12th.
	And the latecomer, Sir Andrew Gardner, said, oh, please, please, if you get this in time, say happy birthday to my smoking hot girlfriend, Stephanie.
	Now, of course, Sir Andrew Gardner is our No Agenda Racing team, and, you know, he's had kind of a downer day last weekend, so we're happy to do that.
	He also, by the way, sent a picture of his girlfriend, Stephanie.
	I concur.
	Happy birthday from your buddies here.
	Yes, sir.
	Not the best podcast in the universe.
	No nights, no titles, no nothing.
	Thank you.
	Great.
	Good work.
	Good work.
	However, did you find it?
	Did you find what you were looking for?
	I'm looking.
	I'm getting, you know, the Google's not working like it used to, I have to say.
	Well, while you're doing...
	The traditional abbreviation, BART. We have BART. A BART. It's a baronetess for the woman.
	Now entering second half of the show.
	Well, I have something.
	We haven't really had a crack on second half of show, but I got something really good that I'm pretty, I think this is pretty awesome.
	So there's this guy who worked at the CIA for many, many years.
	He is dying.
	I think he has emphysema, and he has an operation coming.
	He may live, but he's certainly not expecting to live after what he has gone on record saying.
	He has done an interview, and you can find it on YouTube.
	We have it in the show notes, of course, 512.nashownotes.com or now.nashownotes.com, so you can always get the latest.
	He talks about Area 51, Which he saw and witnessed and was given a tour of.
	But more importantly, he talks about the president at the time who was so angry that Roswell and Area 51 commanders would not...
	Really let, would not tell him what he had, would not let anyone on base.
	And here is our formerly anonymous, really whistleblower from the CIA, now talking about his experience and what the president asked him to do.
	Yes.
	They called us in, went into the Oval Office, and...
	President Eisenhower was there and Nixon, and they said, we called the people in from MJ-12, from Area 51 and S-4, but they told us that the government had no jurisdiction over what they were doing.
	So being a general, past general, You didn't tell him to go to hell without any real good reason, you know?
	So he said, I want you and your boss to fly out there.
	I want you to give him a personal message.
	He says, I want you to tell them, whoever is in charge, tell them that To get in.
	They have this week, coming week, to get into Washington and to report to me.
	And if they don't, I'm going to get the First Army from Colorado and we're going to go over.
	We're going to take the base over.
	I don't care what kind of classified material you got.
	We're going to Rip this thing apart.
	Eisenhower was going to invade Area 51.
	Yeah, with the first army.
	So, the guy has my attention with this.
	And I'm pretty confident he's legit.
	I don't know if his story is true, but you know me.
	I'm very prone to believing this.
	It's a good story.
	So, would you like to hear his little story about what he saw at Area 51?
	Nah, I think we got other things.
	I got a couple of clips from Extra and the OMG show.
	Shut up.
	Here we go.
	You fly out.
	You land.
	What happens?
	Can you describe this whole process?
	What you saw?
	It took us the 13 or 15 miles south of the S4 had like different garage door openings.
	And in these garage door openings they had like different saucer crafts.
	The very first one had the Roswell Craft.
	It was kind of crashed up, but apparently every alien that was in it died except for a couple.
	So you see the Roswell Craft and what are some of the others that you see?
	Well, the Roswell Craft was really strange because it looked like real heavy aluminum foil.
	We could rock next to it, and you could rock.
	The whole thing probably weighed 150, 300 pounds.
	Could they tell what the source of power was of this craft?
	Yeah, it was like a rivers gravitational thing of some kind.
	In fact, one later on, I got the...
	The mathematical code for recursion gravity in a 3x5 card.
	What do you think?
	Well, here we go again.
	As soon as the anti-gravity thing comes up, my antennas go up because every other guy has got this formula.
	I want the formula.
	And yet we see nothing.
	I want the index card.
	It's on a 3x5.
	Yeah, I guess it must be a very short formula.
	Well, it's like E equals MC squared.
	It's not a big, massive formula.
	It's very simple.
	You know what's so upsetting to me?
	We're now in our sixth year of this program.
	And whereas you have...
	People, I encourage you, go back and listen to the first couple of episodes.
	You'll hear that John was like, ah, New World Order bullcrap.
	Ah, this is...
	Ah, that's not to occur.
	You're crazy.
	Oh, what are you talking about?
	So you've really way come over to my side on a lot of this stuff.
	No, I haven't.
	Big time.
	I'm nothing.
	Oh, what?
	You used to be nuts.
	What?
	You had a car that got gas mileage from water and you were going to meet an alien who never showed up.
	I mean, come on.
	Yeah, but here's the thing.
	On the alien stuff, I'm really...
	I can't believe it anymore.
	I mean, I just...
	There's a couple things.
	The thing I didn't play in this, he was on the...
	The Blue Book team.
	So I was like, okay, that's already code for like Project Blue Beam.
	And he mentions in this briefly the alien autopsy.
	Like that was what the CIA was watching.
	Like, nah.
	And then, you know, I'm like, okay.
	That this now, I think it's bull crap.
	But it's very well done.
	Well, just imagine yourself, you know, you're a CIA guy.
	You're on your deathbed.
	And you think, well, you know, I've never really played a really great gag.
	Wait a minute.
	I could swap Rolf Blitzer or...
	Or...
	I know what I'll do.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, good point.
	Good point.
	But I'm disappointed because I can't get excited about it anymore.
	I mean, you know me.
	I'm totally into...
	The idea that there's an energy that has been withheld from us.
	I look at a lot of the work that Tesla did and think, why did I have to go burn all his books and his research?
	Why?
	It's kind of, in a way, there are so many questions that are unanswered that...
	I'm going to die searching for that.
	I don't know.
	Well, they burned all that Wilhelm Reich stuff, too, you know.
	Yeah.
	The Oregon energy guy.
	Oregon energy, yeah.
	Well, that's because it was basically, he was doing porn.
	No.
	Actually, I have a couple of his publications that were saved, because there was a lot of it got out.
	Wait a minute, like a real document?
	His real thing that he was concerned about, he believed that aliens had already invaded, but they're in a different time frame, and they started a process called desertification.
	Hmm.
	and desertification is the idea that you could turn the whole planet into one giant desert, get rid of all these humans, and you could do, I don't know, hydroponics.
	And you start over again.
	Yeah, you start over again.
	There was no reason for it.
	But the one thing he points out, and I do see this once in a while, every time I see it, I go, oh, that's interesting.
	And he would go into, like, some place that is in the middle of nowhere, dry, a desert area, and find, like, an old building or structure of some sort, and notice that, especially if they're made out of an old building or structure of some sort, and notice that, especially if they're made He would notice this black, like a black mold or a black fungus in an area where there's really nothing else living.
	And it was on top of these buildings.
	So it would be like dirt where there was no dirt.
	In other words, it would be on top.
	You see this black.
	You see it in a lot of photos.
	It's this kind of a black goo.
	It's like soot on top of that's covering parts of the place where it lands.
	And that is, he believes, is part of the – that stuff, whatever it is, eats into the structure and just destroys and turns it into sand.
	Uh-huh.
	That was his theory.
	I don't know.
	And then he just never talked about it again.
	But I've always kind of monitored the growth of the deserts.
	That's a ways to go.
	Well, this is interesting because this leads me into another guy, dead guy, Rudolf Steiner.
	Are you familiar with the work of Rudolf Steiner?
	You know, the name rings a bell.
	Biodynamic agriculture?
	Oh, he's the biodynamic guy?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So he lived...
	I looked him up in the Book of Knowledge.
	Rudolf Josef Werensteiner.
	February 1861 to March 1925.
	Austrian philosopher, social reformer, architect, and eccentrist.
	Ooh.
	No, esotericists.
	No, esotericists.
	Geez.
	There you go.
	What's an esotericist?
	Can I be that?
	Yeah, you are.
	Okay, I am now...
	When someone says, what do you do?
	I'm an esotericist.
	Perfect.
	And you can't be an esotericist without a terrorist.
	He gained initial recognition as a literary critic.
	Anyway, so he came up with idealist philosophy and theosophy.
	But the thing that was brought to my attention was the biodynamic agriculture.
	Right.
	Now, biodynamic agriculture was brought to my attention twice, and yesterday was the second time by the same guy, Farmer Chris, at the Austin Market.
	Now, Farmer Chris is a huge fan of the show, and he's mainly eggs, but for the past, I'll say, couple months, he's been selling onions.
	And I'm not talking just, you know, like an onion.
	I'm talking these onions are as big as a kid's head.
	We've seen onions like that.
	I have a photo of Jay with a big giant onion on her head that's bigger than her head.
	Right.
	Exactly.
	It's so crazy you took a picture of it.
	So he has these every single week and I love buying them because one onion feeds eight people.
	It lasts a month.
	It feeds eight people.
	No, it's perfect for dinner parties.
	I'll just take an onion.
	But he'll package them neatly with a rubber band.
	He'll have a really big one and then a smaller one.
	And so I said, Chris, how do you...
	And by the way, they're so good.
	It's such an outstanding product.
	It's probably a sweet onion.
	Yes, it is.
	You want to bite it.
	And I have.
	I've taken these onions and just eaten it like an apple.
	Yeah, that sweet onion, you can do that.
	So, are these not good for cooking?
	I use them.
	I love them.
	No, no.
	They're good for cooking, too.
	The problem with the sweet onion is that they don't keep very well because of so much moisture content in the onion.
	These keep for a week.
	Not even in the fridge.
	Just on the counter.
	No problem.
	Yeah, well, a week is not very long for an onion.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, I get new onions every week.
	I eat his onions.
	Okay, go on with the story.
	And I said, Chris, how do you do this?
	He says, oh, biodynamic agriculture.
	In fact, I heard that very sound when he said that.
	Like, biodynamic agriculture.
	And I said, well, explain this to me.
	And he said, okay, well, this is...
	So, you know, apparently when he is planting or when he's harvesting, he does it at very specific days at specific times.
	And, you know, there's a lot of the moon and the stars and the universe.
	Does he have the cow head filled with weird herbs that he has to bury in the field?
	Did he tell you about that part?
	No, I'll ask him.
	I'll ask him on Saturday.
	And he didn't mention it, so no, I don't know about that.
	There's some really weird stuff.
	Let me give you a little what I know about it.
	And this is a tip.
	People always say, well, let's talk a little bit more about food.
	Here's a tip for everybody.
	The French and some of the Italians, but mostly the French, have taken up biodynamic agriculture for their vineyards.
	Not all of them, but like 5%, quite a few, and some very famous places, as a matter of fact.
	There's a couple of biodynamic places in the Napa Valley.
	My experience is that if you go to a wine list and you're looking at wine, and you see the word biodynamic next to the wine...
	Mm-hmm.
	Get that wine.
	And here's my rationale.
	I don't believe this biodynamic thing is that big of a deal, or even if it works.
	But these guys who choose to use biodynamic, this is just, I think, coincidental.
	People who choose, it's very rigid.
	You have to be on top of everything.
	There's a lot of processes.
	You've got to do things at a certain time, and the moon's got to be a certain way, and you've got to do this, you've got to do that.
	So you're always on top.
	Essentially, you become like a neat freak about your property and you're actually putting so much work into it because you have to follow this process that you produce a better product naturally.
	So this is also known as Stella Natura, by the way.
	Yeah, I think that's the Italian version.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, so when you see a wine, generally speaking, it's an outlier, too.
	It's not like a mainstream overpriced wine.
	It's some, like, God knows what is this.
	You know it's red.
	It's about it.
	But it says biodynamic.
	It's usually really cheap.
	It's cheaper than the regular wines that are not biodynamic but are made by...
	More marketing-oriented companies.
	You will always get a really good wine for the money without fail.
	I have done this for years.
	I always say, oh, buy it now, try that.
	And it's always a winner.
	So that's your tip of the week.
	So, in a way, you think there's something to it.
	I don't know about the cow's head and everything, but you're kind of applying the placebo effect to it.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Ask him about the cow's head.
	I will ask him about the cows, but I know that he does go out in the middle of the night and the full moon and that's when he's going to plant or that's when he harvests.
	And you know what?
	I love Farmer Chris and I love his outstanding product, so whatever he's doing is good by me.
	But here's where he got me.
	He says, Adam, you need to look at the Stella Natura, you need to look at the biodynamic calendar, because you will be very amazed when you, because the biodynamic calendar works with the apogee and the, is it perigee?
	Yeah, perigee.
	So the apogee is when the moon is the furthest from the earth, and the perigee is when the moon is the closest to the earth in its orbit.
	He says, go and look.
	At big events in history and compare that to the biodynamic Stella Natura calendar.
	And if I look at April 15th, which was an apogee, so the moon the furthest away from the Earth, at 322 is the exact apogee, which would have been 422 in Boston.
	You go back, you look at September 11th, 2001, apogee.
	At like 8am.
	It's kind of freaky when you see that these things are happening at these certain, well at least these two events.
	I didn't have time to look at everything I could think of.
	So I do want to look at the next Apogee, which will be tomorrow.
	So we can put this to the test and see if anything happens.
	Tomorrow the Apogee will be at 6.32am, so 7.32am New York time.
	May 13th is the next Apogee.
	So we need to track this and see if stuff's happening or not.
	Okay, I'm putting it in the book.
	I'm sticking with the FBI apogee cycle.
	Well, but it doesn't mean...
	Which is a six-week cycle, which does not match the moon.
	Well...
	The FBI guys, they're out of whack.
	They're really out of whack.
	This whole Boston thing really screwed them up.
	I mean, it's gotten so bad now that we now...
	Now it's like, I have a hangnail, and those two kids did it.
	I know they did.
	Hey, remember the stock crash?
	It was the Sarniff brothers.
	The seating authorities in Boston say they have, quote, mounting evidence that those two brothers could be linked to another whore.
	Could be linked to another whore.
	Did he say whore?
	Yes, he said whore.
	I'm pretty sure.
	Hey, wait a minute.
	I'm pretty sure he said whore.
	Let me listen to that again.
	This evening, authorities in Boston say they have, quote, mounting evidence that those two brothers could be linked to another whore.
	A triple murder on the anniversary of September 11th.
	ABC's Gio Benitez.
	I love these memes.
	Triple murder on the anniversary of September 11th.
	It couldn't get any better.
	In fact, they did 9-11, these two.
	They flew the planes.
	On the Boston case again tonight.
	Ah!
	The chilling details come from a new look at a cold case.
	It was 2011 on the 10th anniversary of the September 11th attacks, and three strong men had turned up dead in the Boston area.
	Investigators telling us this crime was not random.
	At this hour, they're looking for two assailants.
	Two assailants police never found.
	The bodies of Brendan Mess, Eric Weissman, and Rafael Tekken had been mutilated, nearly decapitated.
	Marijuana covered the bodies, and $5,000 in cash Well, that sounds just like what these guys do all the time.
	Now investigators say forensic evidence may point to the alleged Boston bombers.
	Cell phone records show the Tsarnaev brothers were in the area the day of the murders.
	The first thing that one of my law enforcement sources said was...
	This is a reporter for ABC News in Boston.
	I mean, you can just hear the bogativeness dripping off of it.
	This looks like something out of an Al-Qaeda training video.
	Of course it does.
	This is so graphic.
	Investigative reporter Michelle McPhee covered the murders.
	So apparently the Al-Qaeda training manual tells you to cut people's throats, cover them in marijuana, and throw cash on them.
	This is how ridiculous this has gotten.
	They will do anything to distract you from even thinking straight about anything that happened in Boston.
	Anything at all.
	And to make it worse, they're now spraying people like bugs.
	I'm spraying people.
	There's chemtrails all over the area.
	Here's the report.
	This is really sad what is happening here.
	Every night for nearly the past two weeks, residents have spotted a low-flying aircraft doing loops over the city.
	As Bill Shields shows us, the FAA knows what's going on, but the agency isn't telling.
	It's frightening.
	It's more than weird.
	It's frightening.
	That's what a lot of people in Quincy are feeling right now.
	For the past 10 days or so, an airplane has been buzzing around the city from dusk to dawn, flying low and slow.
	And it's not the state or local police.
	I mean, it is strange.
	I don't know if they're looking for somebody or...
	I have no idea.
	Yeah, me neither.
	They won't tell us.
	Yeah, they won't tell us either.
	City Councilor Brian Palmucci has been inundated with calls from residents.
	But he could get little information from the FAA other than the flights are authorized.
	I specifically asked, well, is it a law enforcement flight?
	Can we tell people that?
	He said, no, can't tell you that.
	And then I said, well, when folks call me, can I at least tell them that it's something they shouldn't worry about?
	It's something they shouldn't be concerned with.
	And he said, I can't tell you that.
	We called the FAA, and we're told only that the aircraft is not a drone, it's manned.
	And we have to be very careful this time.
	Even the mayor has been kept in the dark, and he doesn't like it.
	Here's the case where we're as frustrated as the constituent, in a sense, because we don't know the answer.
	We don't know what's going on.
	Obviously, when the federal government wants to keep something quiet, they keep something very quiet.
	And in this case, they wouldn't even say how long these flights will continue.
	In Quincy, I'm Bill Shields, WBZ News.
	And by the way, the aircraft is not flying when it's cloudy out, only on starlit nights.
	Mm-hmm.
	Tempest.
	Go ahead and Google Quincy.
	You pronounce it Quincy, but you spell it Q-U-I-N-C-Y chemtrails.
	They chemtrailed in Austin the other day, like earlier this week.
	Oh my God, it was unbelievable.
	I haven't seen that in Austin since we've lived here.
	They're just spraying us, just like a shut-up slave spray.
	Yeah, it's a...
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Persistent jet contrails.
	Yeah, sure.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Besides that, if you did a calculation on them, it would have to be a part per billion product that would...
	And it's not drifting.
	It's just sitting up there.
	This chemtrail over consequency.
	It doesn't just...
	May 13th is bogative.
	This stuff doesn't drift, John.
	It falls to the earth.
	Why is it staying up there, then?
	It's not falling anywhere.
	Then you're looking at a picture.
	That's a photo.
	Oh, so you actually have a movie of it falling?
	Yeah.
	Oh, in L.A. I took movies all the time.
	It floats down to the earth.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	Dream on, big boy.
	This is...
	Oh yeah, no, I'm crazy.
	No, I'm crazy, sure.
	You're crazy, I'm crazy.
	Yes, exactly.
	Right away.
	No, wait.
	I'm chemtrailed.
	Leave me be.
	Listen to this.
	Do you remember this interview with the China entrepreneur who did not want to be recognized, therefore he was in silhouette and incognito?
	Remember this?
	Danny the China man?
	Remember this?
	Okay, now listen to what he says here.
	I have to pull the handle on the door.
	At the gas station, Johar left the car to pay.
	Tamerlan was fiddling with the GPS. Danny knew this might be his last chance.
	How do you do that in your head?
	Do you say one, two, three?
	I was counting.
	One, two, three, four.
	I just do it.
	I did it.
	Now, you remember we laughed about him saying this one to three fall.
	And I got an email from Simon.
	Adam, John, I just listened to episode 509.
	I was listening to a bunch of episodes in a row.
	And I had a thought about Danny the China guy.
	I found it really odd that when he was asked if he counted to three before he got out of the car that he said no, he counted to four.
	I have a few Chinese friends and they all assure me Four is an extremely unlucky Chinese number.
	I believe that's because the word is similar to the word death.
	I'm pretty sure that no true Chinese person would choose the number four as a starting point for their run for freedom and escape from possible death.
	Just a thought.
	That's good.
	Yeah, this is why we're the best podcast in the universe.
	Yeah, that is absolutely correct.
	People thinking about stuff.
	And we noticed it.
	We're like, why did...
	Yeah, we did notice it was weird.
	It was weird, yeah, and it's almost like they're giving us clues.
	No, I don't even think it was that.
	I was thinking the guy's a phony anyway.
	Yeah, well, duh.
	So there's no Danny.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	But he's been given the microphone.
	It's like this Ramsey character who's on every show he can be on, and so he's just hugging the mic.
	That's the way he came up with, no, no, no, it wasn't, it was four.
	I want to talk more.
	Did you see, I didn't record it, did you see Anderson Pooper interviewing him?
	Isn't that funny?
	No, but I do have a worse interview, which is George Stephanopoulos.
	Stephanopoulos.
	Yeah.
	Interviewing him, and he's, oh, he's so, he's just so, oh, he's just so much like this.
	So let's just, so, this has to be part of such a, so.
	What do we think?
	This is a prelude to Dr.
	Phil, I'm telling you.
	Same story.
	Absolutely.
	Here we go.
	For those of you who don't know, this is the neighbor who didn't do much other than call 911.
	It's like, can you operate a phone?
	Yes, you're a hero.
	Can you eat a hamburger?
	Yes, you're a hero.
	Thank you so much for joining us this morning.
	Boy, I know it has been a whirlwind for you since Monday night.
	How are you feeling?
	I'm happy.
	I mean, you know.
	He's hammered.
	He's hammered.
	Pushing to the level.
	You know.
	A little Red Bull helps.
	Okay, I understand that.
	You're drunk, right?
	How was that whore we gave you?
	He, by the way, put a Red Bull into the screen.
	Oh, jeez.
	Really?
	Yep.
	Oh, God.
	So maybe it even went like this.
	Hey, can you act a little like tired and then we can throw the Red Bull at you?
	It's a sponsor.
	You get it, right?
	Hey, maybe they'll actually hook you up with a sponsorship if you try it.
	Exactly.
	And I also know that you do not like the word hero, but it is true that when you answered that door and helped kick it down...
	Can I just say something before I... He said help.
	I want to roll it back.
	I just wanted to say something because we make that joke about the Red Bull.
	I want people to know that when I did...
	And this was a government program.
	This was a government, non-commercial program.
	The show was called Countdown, which I hosted for several years in the Netherlands.
	And we took money, the production company took money from the milk industry.
	So this was set in like a bar, kind of like a club, grungy club bar, where people were drinking beer, for sure, and you saw people drinking beer.
	It was okay.
	But then I would be sitting there with Mick Jagger.
	I'd be interviewing Mick Jagger.
	Is it okay?
	Seriously, the producer would cue me to take a drink of milk.
	You're kidding.
	No.
	So he would have a beer, I would have a glass of milk, and I would get a cue to drink.
	Now, they gave me a car, so I wasn't complaining.
	They gave me a Volvo 480 ES to shut me up.
	Here, have a car.
	Okay.
	So I just want people to know that it's really happened.
	Yeah, and I wouldn't be surprised if this guy wasn't told to do this.
	He grabbed, he's acted tired, he held the Red Bull up, and then Stephanopoulos says, because the guy didn't hold, he didn't say Red Bull, he just held up the can, and Stephanopoulos says Red Bull.
	Thank you so much for joining us this morning.
	Boy, I know it has been a whirlwind for you since Monday night.
	How are you feeling?
	I'm happy.
	I mean, you know, I'm, you know, pushing to the level as, you know, A little Red Bull helps.
	Okay, I understand that.
	And I also know that you do not like the word hero, but it is true that when you answered that door and helped kick it down, those young women were finally rescued after so long.
	Has that sunk in for you?
	Mm-mm.
	No?
	It's going to be a while, bro.
	Bro.
	No, no.
	I mean, I'm just...
	I don't know, I'm speechless.
	And you had never seen Amanda Barry before that moment when you went to her door?
	No.
	What did she say to you in those moments after you finally were able to get her out there and get her on the phone for the 911 call?
	She says, uh, it's more girls in that house.
	And I was just blown away from that statement, you know what I mean?
	And when the police got there, they went up there and brought the rest of them out.
	And you had never seen anything of any of them before, even though you knew Ariel Castro a bit.
	Not only, I didn't see nothing.
	Apparently.
	My neighbors haven't seen anything either.
	This guy's on crack, John.
	He's on crack.
	I'm telling you.
	It's crack.
	Now, this has got to go beyond...
	Did something funny happen, or is it like this the whole time?
	Well, he does have a funny line.
	Let's listen.
	Now, I've been there a year.
	She's been right there next door to me for a year.
	Every day since I've been there, let me tell you something.
	When you're moving to a new neighborhood, see, I'm from the east side.
	Here's what's happening.
	I want to hear the rest of this.
	They invite him because they hope what they want is they don't want this guy.
	This guy is an a-hole.
	They want the guy that goes...
	I know you can't have no white girl running into a black man's arms!
	That's what they want.
	They want the Eddie Murphy, you know, pop, bug-eyed, crazy black guy.
	You know, I was eating a McDonald's hamburger!
	And I was thinking, damn, I want a Red Bull!
	That's what they're trying to get the guy to do.
	And so they jacked him up last night, but they didn't jack him right.
	And so now he's hungover, and he's a dud.
	This is a dud.
	He does have a good line at the end.
	I think he probably snaps out of it.
	I'm from Richmond Heights.
	I went to Brush High School.
	Okay?
	I went to Orange.
	Hey.
	Hey.
	Did George just say, I went to Orange?
	Like, we're bros now?
	Did he just say that?
	Hey, I'm three feet smaller than you and white and wimpy, but I went to orange.
	Are we bros now?
	We're rivals.
	It's cool.
	But you didn't see anything.
	Not one iota.
	Because...
	I wouldn't have been speaking to this dude.
	Dude!
	There we go.
	He's getting there.
	I'd give this dude his mail when it comes to my house.
	More Red Bull!
	Quick!
	He's getting better.
	I eat his food when he feels like he's barbecuing.
	Oh, yeah.
	Now we're going.
	When he feels like playing salsa music, I try to, you know, maringa.
	You know what I mean?
	There we go.
	Yeah, he's getting funny.
	I hadn't known that.
	Well, this would be a whole different interview, wouldn't it?
	Sure would be a whole different interview.
	And so you ate ribs with him and you'd dance with him?
	Oh, I love it where he's with Anderson.
	God, I should have recorded.
	I didn't even think about it.
	It was so dumb.
	He's like, if I had known that, I'd be sitting here for triple murder right now.
	I'd be killing that guy.
	Yeah, brother.
	Sure.
	You saw him every once in a while and there was nothing at all in his demeanor that would give you the inkling that he could do something like this?
	No.
	Isn't that scary?
	It is.
	So either I'm that stupid or his kind or that good.
	You've really become a phenomenon all across the country in the last 48 hours.
	I'm sure you've seen some of all the craziness going out all across the web, including that auto-tune of your original interview.
	How does that feel to you right now?
	If people are happy, There is no feeling.
	You do what you gotta do.
	And you did what you had to do at the right moment, Charles Ramsey.
	Thanks very much.
	Terrible.
	Get him to liven up.
	Get him more Red Bull!
	So they didn't...
	You heard the auto-tune?
	Yeah.
	I hate auto-tune.
	Do I play this now?
	I'm talking with Charles Ramsey.
	He's a neighbor.
	Walk me through again what happened this afternoon.
	I love autotune.
	I think it's great.
	What's your problem with it?
	I love it.
	I think it's funny.
	This is very creative.
	This is good work.
	Hey, would somebody play it if you like it so much?
	I've heard it a million times.
	It's not like novel.
	I'll play it for myself and I'll dance around later after the show.
	People can take you and auto-tune you and make a great song out of it.
	It's funny.
	I mean, I could take this, any Noah Jenner episode.
	Yeah, I know what you're saying.
	I'm just saying it's cliched.
	It's old.
	It's two years old.
	It's passe.
	I just don't get why anyone would do it.
	And the amount of work they put into this guy's thing is ridiculous.
	I mean, it actually is a song.
	Yeah.
	But what's the point?
	Is it gotten so bad that people can waste their time on this sort of thing?
	Oh, I see.
	You don't understand.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	It's an app.
	The whole idea is the people who made this autotune sell the app.
	They do these autotunes.
	Yeah, no, I understand that, but this song was edited to run through that app.
	It wasn't just straight up.
	No, but that doesn't matter.
	People go, oh, that's cool.
	I can do that.
	Let me get the app.
	The whole thing is just to sell the app.
	Everything's a pitch.
	Alright.
	Can we move on to something more serious?
	Yeah, you mean like the IRS cracking down, even though it's against the law, and then your buddy Carney just goes on and he tries to use a new phrase.
	I've got Carney in the IRS. He substitutes the word inappropriate for what I believe should be the word illegal.
	Good Friday afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
	Thank you for being here.
	I appreciate your patience.
	Before I take your questions, I just wanted to note, because it's been reported, we...
	That's funny.
	We have exactly the same thing.
	You let this go into the IRS question.
	Okay, I guess.
	Yes, as many of you know, have a background briefing here at the White House earlier.
	I think 14 news organizations were represented, ranging from online to...
	Broadcast TV, print, and the like.
	And we do those periodically.
	We hope that participants find them helpful.
	I will say that no one here believes that briefings like that are a substitute for this briefing, which is why I'm here today to take questions on whatever issues you want to ask me about.
	And with that, I will go to the Associated Press.
	Thanks, Jay.
	Two subjects, starting out with the IRS issue.
	IRS says it flags conservative groups with names like Patriots or Tea Parties for review, and says that in some instances its workers inappropriately asking what entities have built it, and it has apologized.
	When did the White House become aware that the IRS engaged in this?
	In a tax collection system that relies on trust, isn't the IRS's credibility at stake here?
	And will the White House, as called on by Senator McConnell, call for an investigation?
	Well, two things, Jim.
	I appreciate the question.
	And we've certainly seen those reports.
	When he says, I appreciate the question, I presume that was scripted that he asked this question.
	And he's seen the reports.
	Yeah.
	Does anybody really think that there was no involvement here?
	And then he blames Bush.
	Well, let me hear that.
	That's funny.
	My understanding is this matter is under investigation by the IG at the IRS. The IRS, as you know, is an independent enforcement agency with only two political appointees.
	The fact of the matter is what we know about this is of concern.
	And we certainly find the actions taken, as reported, to be inappropriate.
	And we would fully expect the investigation to be thorough.
	Corrections to be made in a case like this, and I believe the IRS has addressed that and has taken some action, and there's an investigation ongoing.
	But it certainly does seem to be, based on what we've seen, to be inappropriate action that we would want to see thoroughly investigated.
	Given that the President was so critical of some of these groups, both in 2010 and in 2012, isn't it natural for the public to think that these things are politically motivated?
	What assurances are there?
	Well, I think, first of all, there are two things that need to be noted, which is IRS is an independent enforcement agency, which I believe, as I understand it, It contains only two political appointees within it.
	Yeah, yeah, we heard you.
	The individual who was running the IRS at the time was actually an appointee from the previous administration.
	You a-hole.
	But separate from that, there is no question that if this activity took place, it's inappropriate and there needs to be action taken.
	All right, let me say something about this.
	A couple things.
	I'm glad you brought this up.
	One...
	This president in particular has threatened with this before.
	And when he threatens something, he usually comes through on it.
	I will remind you of one of my favorite clips.
	I have two words for you.
	Predator drones.
	This guy, he's not a joke.
	He says predator drone, he goes out and he kills thousands of people, women and children, and by his own kill list.
	So I dug back in the archives, and oh yeah, lo and behold, it's another joke.
	It's always funny when he says it.
	I thought this was much ado about nothing.
	But I do think we all learned an important lesson.
	I learned never again to pick another team over the Sun Devils in my NCAA brackets.
	It won't happen again.
	President Crowe and the Board of Regents will soon learn about being audited by the IRS. You're an asshole!
	Because you do these things.
	He does these things.
	That's a great clip.
	He does these things.
	That's the top comeback clip of the month.
	Thank you.
	But you can't, when he makes these jokes, he means that.
	He means it.
	Well, it would seem so.
	And I have had this happen to me.
	I, in the Netherlands, oh my god.
	I have been raped by the Dutch tax, the IRS. What?
	I've been raped in America!
	The IRS who have guns, who came to my office with their hands on their guns looking for me because they couldn't find me for 10 years.
	Yeah, I left the country.
	Ever hear of Google, idiots?
	And this is not an uncommon occurrence for presidents and people in power to use the IRS to audit people and make their lives hell.
	And the IRS is armed!
	They have guns.
	They can tap your email.
	This is in the news at the same time where the IRS and the FBI are saying they have legal authority to eavesdrop and tap your email because, oh, everyone's got to be paying their fair share.
	Meanwhile, this was kind of the funny one that was circulating.
	This came out in an IRS press conference with a bunch of...
	You just hear the hubris of these morons.
	Confirm one point.
	It's Tom Costello with NBC News.
	You're saying a quarter of the 300 were associated with Tea Party or Republican issues, correct?
	No.
	I said that about a quarter of the cases that were selected for full development had either Tea Party or Patriot in their name.
	Okay.
	Sorry, thank you for the clarification, but that would be a quarter of the 300.
	We're talking 75 or so?
	That's correct.
	Is that a quarter?
	That's correct.
	Thank you.
	I'm not good at math.
	That's correct.
	She's with the IRS. You're with the IRS. Thank you.
	Yeah, I'm not good at math.
	That was a classic.
	Yeah.
	But notice in here, it's not so much the tea party, it's the Patriots part.
	This is what really is pissing me off, is we are taking the entire concept of being a Patriot and turning it into something bad.
	You remember we had the last...
	While waving the flag, it's weird.
	Well, and one of our producers sent me an interesting link.
	He said, you know, you're now a terrorist if you're a patriot.
	Remember the old kook who was in the double-wide trailer and he had...
	He had Molotov cocktails.
	And like, whoa, we had to arrest this guy because he put it on his Facebook.
	Yeah, it was on our last show.
	Yeah, on his Facebook.
	Well, anyway, so he's a member of the Black Snake Militia.
	Now, do you know what the Black Snake refers to?
	The snake on the Don't Tread on Me flag?
	Yes, that is known as the Gadsden flag.
	And the Gazdan flag is a very interesting history.
	You can look it up in the Book of Knowledge.
	But it's the Don't Tread on Me flag.
	I guarantee you, if you fly this flag now, which historically, this is a hugely patriotic flag for so many different reasons.
	And when I grew up in the 70s, I remember there was a t-shirt.
	I think I might have had one, actually.
	And it would be the snake, and it said, don't tread on me.
	Yeah, it was in the 70s.
	Bicentennial.
	And then underneath it, it said, for 200 years, nobody has.
	That was kind of like, hey, America, fuck yeah.
	But now, all these symbols...
	Including the Confederate flag, which, whoa, we have to give up on that one.
	But now the Gadsden flag, it's just, if you say you're a patriot, you are now a terrorist.
	That's what it is.
	This is the upside-down world that we live in.
	Yeah, no, I'm 100% with you on this one.
	You can buy these flags, by the way, from all these flag vendors.
	There's a black version, the black Gadsden flag.
	What the heck is that?
	I don't know.
	The black Gatson flag.
	It doesn't say anything about it.
	I mean something.
	I did want to touch briefly on this 3D gun printing business because I've got some problems with what is happening here because this is happening in my backyard.
	Why would you print a 3D gun when you go buy one down the street?
	Well, I don't think this is about 3D guns at all, about printed guns whatsoever.
	I think this is about something different.
	And so I have a couple of clips.
	I actually have a very good piece from C-SPAN, which I feel really explains what...
	I'd like to play it in its entirety.
	It's a couple minutes, a little longer than I'd normally like to play, like two and a half minutes.
	Then I'd like to take it to the douchebag Chuck Schumer, who I think is really going to tell us what is happening and what this is all about.
	So this I found to be a very good explanation, very calm.
	The guy calls the guy an anarchist without freaking out.
	Some good questions and answers.
	This gives you an overview of what happened recently.
	You may have seen this week's stories concerning what is known as the Liberator.
	It's a plastic gun comprised of about 16 pieces except for one piece of metal, which is a common nail.
	This gun printed at home on what's known as a 3D printer.
	What's not true?
	The specs for the gun require both the nail as a firing mechanism, but it also requires a metal cube.
	Okay.
	All right.
	The point is there's metal in the gun.
	That is important to the story.
	This week the State Department asked the person who put the plans out for this gun, asked them to take down those plans as they consider some of the implications there.
	Joining us to tell us a little bit more about this, Andy Greenberg.
	He's with Forbes Magazine, writes on the issues of technology, privacy, and information security.
	Mr.
	Greenberg, thanks for joining us.
	Now, I'm going to say that I think Greenberg is complicit in this.
	Forbes Magazine is complicit in what is going on.
	And my main reason for saying that is everyone just lets the State Department go.
	There's not a single State Department official who has even been questioned.
	Because then otherwise he would say, we asked the State Department for comment.
	No, it's just like, oh, I saw the letter and I'm going to reprint the letter.
	So there is a setup here.
	Thanks for having me.
	Mr.
	Greenberg, can you start by telling us more about this gun and how it came about?
	Right.
	Well, Cody Wilson is a...
	Why do you say great?
	Because it's great.
	Because I'm great.
	I don't know.
	I mean, because he is on a mission.
	He's a part of a scam.
	...five years old.
	And for the last year, he's had this goal of 3D printing an entire gun.
	A 3D printer, of course, is a machine that can lay down fine strands of plastic into solid shapes just as easily as an HP printer can put ink on a page.
	And it creates very precise objects.
	So the idea is...
	This is a gun that anybody can download off of the internet and print out in their own homes.
	And Wilson, who is a libertarian and an anarchist, intends this to be a gun that essentially evades all forms of gun control.
	He thinks that he can show that the government is irrelevant on this issue, that a 3D printable gun cannot be controlled in the same way that one that has to be bought from a commercial supplier can be.
	So, here are the various parts that were involved in the creation of this gun, and how is it tested out?
	Has it had the ability to fire on a consistent basis?
	Well, I spent some time with Cody, and I witnessed the first test firings of this gun that he calls the Liberator.
	First, he fired it with a 20-foot string just for safety, and then later he did fire it by hand for the first time.
	And as far as I was able to tell, and he was able to tell in those tests, Despite the fact that the barrel is plastic and that the body of the gun is plastic as well, in fact the entire thing is plastic except a single nail used as the firing pin, it is capable of firing a standard handgun round without visible damage.
	And even if the barrel is damaged, he can swap in a new barrel that can be printed in just a couple of hours.
	Is it legal that he did this?
	Well, Cody, as I said, is a law student.
	He's been very careful in almost every way to make sure that what he's doing is entirely legal.
	In fact, he would say every way.
	He obtained a manufacturing license to become a licensed firearms manufacturer to make sure that it abides by this Undetectable Firearms Act.
	He put a chunk of metal into it that's entirely extraneous.
	It's just a way to abide by that law.
	If you printed it at home, you could take that out and have a pretty much undetectable firearm, likely.
	The one thing that he's been caught on by the State Department is the fact that it's as if he's exported this gun, this kind of new firearm, simply by putting it on the Internet.
	So the Department of Defense, through the State Department, has demanded that he take it down because he supposedly violated export controls of weapons.
	Here's the things that are bothering me.
	This whole story stinks now.
	This Cody R. Wilson, I'm not trusting who this guy is.
	You try to find anything about him, where he's from, there's nothing in the book of knowledge.
	It's just he's a law student.
	I look at the videos.
	These are professionally shot, highly stylized, very, very precisely done.
	Slick.
	Very slick.
	He's getting big printers for free.
	This defense distributed.
	Oh, it's a non-profit, but it's pending because, and I looked, you know me, I'm way into that stuff.
	So he says that it was pending in 2012.
	Well, bullcrap.
	Where's your status?
	There's no record of this being an approved non-profit.
	It doesn't take that long.
	You can already operate as a non-profit and put out your reports.
	And I'm thinking, hold on a second.
	This stinks.
	And, oh, really?
	This is a big deal?
	This is not a big deal.
	Wait, hold on a second.
	I want to add one more thing to your this stinks thesis.
	Why was this Greenberg guy, who's just a writer for Forbes essentially, who writes about security, at the firing of the first gun?
	Yeah, because it's a set-up.
	It's a likely screw coincidence?
	It's a set-up.
	Unless they're in bed together, you know, in one way or another?
	No.
	Yes, they're in bed together.
	And I wanted to add...
	Ah, you kind of broke my train of thought.
	It doesn't really matter.
	This Cody R. Wilson guy, this stinks.
	This stinks.
	I can go to Home Depot and make a gun better than what he printed.
	It's called the zip gun.
	This is not a huge deal.
	Yeah, they were made in the 50s by gangs.
	This is a red herring.
	And now we go to Chuck Schumer, who first, here he is with the party line.
	So this is how scary it is.
	Oh, we have to be really afraid.
	Well, look.
	You all remember the Clint Eastwood movie, In the Line of Fire, and John Malkovich, one of the great original bad guys in that movie, spent months and months and months trying to create a gun out of wooden plastic so he could assassinate the president.
	Now it's not a movie anymore, it's reality.
	And I think society will push Congress to act, no matter what the NRA does.
	Okay, so that is...
	Now it's set, okay?
	So now, oh, that's right.
	He might kill the president.
	And we have plastic guns.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, wow.
	This is the original bad guy.
	He did it.
	Now, when a politician says to you, particularly Chuck Schumer, who I've met personally, and he scared the crap out of me, so evil this man is, when a politician says, we're not doing this because of that...
	John, would you agree with me that's pretty much a lie and that's exactly why they're doing it?
	Of course.
	It's very common.
	We see it all the time.
	Technology does some very good things.
	These 3D printers, which print sort of 3D plastic the way they'd spray ink on a piece of paper, have a lot of very good uses.
	No one wants to abolish them.
	Yes, you do!
	That is exactly what this is about.
	We are on the cusp.
	Of a revolution.
	You see it taking place everywhere.
	We've got maker fairs.
	We've got kids very interested.
	We are on the cusp of a revolution which is going to put big companies, big companies who sell shiny crap to us out of business.
	And of course the gun industry is very worried about this.
	But all industries do not want the slaves to have this power.
	This is what's scaring the crap out of them.
	And I think it's a valid concern.
	I think we are...
	This is the true revolution.
	When you combine the internet, that's why he's doing this.
	He is being funded, this Cody Wilson, I believe.
	I'll just say this is my theory.
	He is being funded to show the world, not just the legislators, but other captains of industry, the danger that is approaching of 3D printing.
	It has to be stopped, and it will be stopped, Stop this 3D printing business with everything they've got.
	They're going to try and stop it.
	Well, good luck with that.
	I think they could possibly, with another one of these gun creations, find some way, because they can print a gun, to license 3D printers.
	Okay.
	That would be one way to do it.
	And you'd license them and you'd have to pay a yearly fee and all the rest of it.
	Yep.
	And that would be used to probably...
	It would put a crimp in a lot of the home brew ones because, you know, you can get one for $199 that'll print earrings.
	I mean, I don't think that's too much of a big deal.
	I don't know.
	I think...
	Let me ask you a question.
	That horse is long gone.
	I mean, this is going to go nowhere.
	But the licensing, I think, is a possibility.
	John, the horse is long gone.
	I disagree.
	They can stop sale of anything they want.
	There's all kinds of ways to do that.
	I think that someone woke up and went, holy crap!
	We can't have this.
	We can't have people making their own stuff.
	Do you know how much slave toys will no longer be necessary from big companies?
	I mean, I find the implications of 3D printing to be a game changer way beyond, certainly with networked, way beyond anything that people can even fathom at the moment.
	Why couldn't we be printing our own chips?
	I don't see why that would be impossible.
	Well, at some point you could.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, all these things, we won't need it, but why not we just make our own iPhone?
	You come up with an idea, everyone works together.
	Right now, I'm already seeing it.
	I'm making the new version of the podcaster, the ultimate podcaster, which is going to be a slimline, enclosed, beautifully designed box.
	And I'm, you know, I got, you know, Mark Smith is out there.
	He's in California and he's doing circuit diagrams and we'll order the printed circuit board.
	Now, we could easily print that on a printer.
	We just don't happen to have one.
	And we're making this all by ourselves and FedEx will bring me, you know, the first prototype.
	No one else needed.
	No big company needed.
	No arrogant cocksuckers needed.
	I'm looking at you, Telos.
	So this is what they're afraid of.
	Well, I think they should be.
	Yes!
	I think it's a ways down the road before we do some of the stuff that you're describing, for sure.
	But it's coming because once the technology takes hold and people are finally...
	And it's the perfect device for...
	For the razor blade model, which is what everybody always strives to obtain.
	Exactly.
	And how about this?
	Get to the razor blade model.
	We'll all live forever.
	The razor blade model, of course, what I'm referring to for people out there is the idea that you build a device.
	All the printers are done this way.
	You give the device away and then you sell supplies forever.
	How about a flashlight?
	We make our own flashlights.
	And the other thing, by the way, the next thing coming up strong is the 3D scanners, which are now just getting traction.
	Yeah, I can scan my organ and then print a thing.
	And then print one.
	Yeah, that's a great idea.
	Great use.
	You have this technology.
	It's breakthrough.
	Well, there you go.
	That's...
	That's all I can come up with right now.
	I can't come up with anything else at the moment.
	I'd just have Bobby Eden come over.
	We could have a whole cottage industry here.
	Keep your eye on this one.
	Keep your eye on what's going on with these 3D printers.
	They're going to try to ban them.
	Oh, keep an eye on Cody Wilson and his gang of...
	If anyone knows Cody Wilson, anything about him, but yeah, I know you feel it.
	I know you feel that there's something up with this.
	It is beyond this bullcrap gun.
	Please.
	That's insulting.
	You can buy lower receivers and ship them around.
	It's just nothing new.
	Yeah, it's maybe a good column for me.
	With this guy Greenberg, here's what he posts.
	Yeah, keep an eye on that guy.
	This is the world's first entirely 3D printed gun photos.
	Ten wild things you can 3D print at home.
	This is the world's first entirely 3D printed gun, a second version.
	Meet Steve Israel, the congressman who wants to ban 3D printed guns.
	Ten wild things you can do with 3D printed home.
	Again, meet the liberals.
	Liberator test firing the world's first 3D printed gun. 3D printed guns.
	These are all his articles. 3D printed guns.
	Blueprints downloaded 100,000 times in two days.
	Yeah.
	With some help from Kim.com.
	Oh, yeah.
	Bring him in.
	State Department demands take down of 3D printed gun files.
	What else?
	3D printed...
	Okay, that's it.
	Well, maybe they'll outlaw the files.
	I mean, there's so many things.
	Look, you can't argue that there isn't a huge industry against BitTorrents and MP3s and that there isn't some arguable success of scaring people.
	Export control violations.
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, it's right there in the regulation.
	I mean, the guy becomes a licensed manufacturer.
	You're a licensed manufacturer.
	There's the rules.
	It's like Article 2, rule number one.
	You can't be distributing your crap around without a permit.
	Yeah, he probably shouldn't have signed up for that program.
	He's just doing software.
	No, he signed up for it because he's part of some program, John.
	Yeah, that's what your theory is, and I'm not going to disagree with it.
	It's fishy.
	Do a book of knowledge.
	By the way, if I was one of the 3D printers fooling around making products with a gun included, it's the last thing I would have thought of, that I have to have a gun licensing permit or a manufacturing permit.
	I wouldn't have thought of it in a million years.
	Why would I? So, you know, at first he was given a 3D printer, then they took it away from him.
	So here's his book of knowledge.
	Cody Rutledge Wilson.
	What kind of name is Rutledge?
	Born January 31st, 88, is an American law student, self-proclaimed crypto-anarchist and free-market anarchist.
	He's the founder and director of Defense Distributed, a non-profit organization.
	Sorry, Wikipedia.
	There is no record of it being a non-profit.
	That develops and publishes open-source gun design, so-called wiki weapons.
	Oh, good one.
	They're trying everything here.
	Suitable for 3D printing.
	Then we get Brian Doherty described Wilson.
	Who's Brian Doherty?
	Brian Doherty.
	Brian Doherty is an old marketing guy, I think.
	I think he's the guy I know as Brian Doherty.
	Describe Wilson as more than just a gun guy.
	Also states Wilson probably is right about how it has to end.
	The people will have the power.
	Wilson's been named one of 15 most dangerous people in the world by Wired Magazine.
	There's another shill, Wired Magazine.
	Wilson's a second year law student at the University of Texas Law School in Austin.
	But that's all, there's nothing about him.
	You know how they always have like a, you know, born here, has a sister, nothing.
	You know, defense distributors right down the street from you.
	It's in Austin.
	Yeah, 3800 North Lamar.
	Why don't you go visit him?
	Why?
	Just to see what's going on.
	It might be just a hole in the wall or just a mail drop.
	I mean, you're right there.
	It seems to me to be something worth checking out.
	No.
	You crazy?
	The guy's got guns.
	I'm not going to go hanging around there.
	These things blow up.
	Def cad.
	Def cad.
	I'm calling the guy out as a shill.
	This doesn't seem like a smart thing to go hang out.
	I'm a pussy like that.
	I'm going to stand here with my big microphone.
	I didn't say that.
	I just said drive by it.
	Oh, okay.
	You want me to do a drive-by?
	Is that what you're recommending?
	Yeah, drive-by like the regular journalists do.
	Well, no.
	I'm doing what regular journalists do.
	Go to Wikipedia and copy that and publish it.
	That's it.
	We're done.
	I'm doing my job here, people.
	Alright.
	We'll keep our eye on this.
	I'm really thinking that this is about the 3D printers, which is a revolution that is beyond anything we can imagine right now.
	And here's this first article that he had on the webpage of all the press that they've been getting.
	The first article listed at the bottom by the National Review, Charles Cook.
	Guns don't kill people, 3D printers do.
	There you go.
	Yeah, this is it.
	3D printers, it's dangerous.
	Danger, danger, Will Robinson.
	I'll stick with the license again.
	All right, everybody, tell me you heard that on Fox News.
	All right, tell me you heard that on CNBC or CNN or MSNBC or any of the...
	or Stephanopoulos or Pooper.
	Tell me you got that kind of entertainment.
	If you did, I'll send you ten bucks.
	However, if you didn't, support the best podcast in the universe.
	Please.
	Coming to you...
	What?
	Before you go, I did click on that article and it's requested page not found.
	Yeah.
	Figures.
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