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	I had this JavaScript thing that keeps interfering with my show.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, April 25th, 2013.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 507.
	This is No Agenda.
	Radicalizing citizens for five years and counting.
	From the Traverse Heights, High-Dot, where SoCo meets MoFo in Austin, Texas.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where it's gloomy, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Craig Vaughn and Buzzkill.
	In the morning.
	You know, I wasn't going to mention it, but how about that weather?
	The weather we've been having.
	Well, you're in Texas.
	I don't know what your weather's like there.
	It's the same idea as your weather.
	Gloomy?
	It's not gloomy, but it's chilly, and we've had rain the past couple of days.
	This is the global cooling that I've been telling everybody about.
	Oh, it's the rain stick.
	You brought it out again last show.
	Hold on a second.
	Let's see if we can continue.
	I'm really enjoying it.
	This is really nice.
	It's really nice.
	Cool.
	You know, we can sit outside without burning up.
	There you go.
	A little more rain.
	And everything is really nice and green and luscious.
	It's perfect.
	But yes.
	Oh, whoops.
	Oh, I think I damaged the rain stick.
	That could be bad.
	Breaking news.
	Breaking news.
	Oh, hold on a second.
	Breaking news.
	We go over to John C. Devorak.
	John, what are you learning?
	A dead bomber name found in terrorism database.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	For some reason, when I heard that story, I envisioned myself talking to Joe Ango.
	Really?
	I'm the supervisor.
	I'm saying, hey, Joe...
	Hey, the CIA say they got this guy's name in their database.
	Can we put his name in our database?
	Can you just slide that record over?
	Can you change the time?
	I can make it, but if anyone had a printout of the old database, they would know.
	No one's got a printout of the old database.
	Can you just get it in there so we can get the press release finished?
	Put it in the database, and then we'll say, we have it in the database.
	Because I know that's what they did.
	You don't have it...
	You don't...
	You're not using the appropriate language.
	Lucy Napolitano, she's got all the jargon down when she talks about this stuff.
	Have you heard any of this?
	Oh, no.
	Was your department aware of his travels to Russia?
	By the way, it's Russia.
	Russia!
	The Soviet Republic of Russia.
	If you weren't, the reason...
	The travel in 2012 that you're referring to.
	Yes, the system pinged when he was leaving the United States.
	It pinged!
	The system pinged!
	So she says ping.
	You know what makes me crazy?
	So my wife goes to Amsterdam and is rejected returning to the country because of some technicality in dates on an otherwise perfectly legal exit and entry into the United States.
	While married to an American.
	While married to an American citizen born and raised.
	And these guys are like, oh, here it is actually.
	Here's the continuation.
	By the time he returned, all investigations had been, the matter had been closed.
	Yeah, as long as you're gone long enough, which apparently is a year, then all investigations are closed.
	You know, you get a little ping.
	But it did ping.
	It pinged.
	It pinged.
	That's the technical term.
	It pinged.
	By the way, ladies and gentlemen, may I welcome you to your...
	Wait a minute, let me do this different.
	Welcome to your bi-weekly path to better mental health, a fuller life, and exciting and fulfilling sexual relations.
	This is the No Agenda Podcast.
	That's nice.
	Yeah, I think we need to remind people the reason they are listening to this show is for their mental health.
	Do you know that actually I called one of our producers in between Sundays?
	Hey, Curry.
	Curry here.
	What?
	Did I do something wrong?
	No, one of our executive producers sent me an email and he works with services in Colorado.
	He works with emergency services technicians.
	And he says, you know, the email I got, John, was like, oh my God, the guy's on the ledge.
	I better call him quick.
	He was really bummed out because the way his colleagues...
	Now, these are the heroes of America, of course.
	In Colorado?
	Who do stuff on the streets of Colorado.
	Pick up broken pieces of people and put out fires and do all kinds of stuff like this.
	And they're all like, yeah, let's lynch that guy!
	Kill that stupid terrorist!
	Let's kill him!
	Let's kill him!
	I ran into a lynch mob on the Twitch show.
	Oh, dude.
	Dude.
	Tell me about it.
	I had to turn it off because I was hurting for you.
	It's a lynch mob.
	It's crazy.
	So, you know, right after that show, I'm looking at...
	Oh, I should mention some of the tweets that came in, too.
	By the way, people, they send me a tweet like that.
	They're blocked.
	They're blocked.
	Yeah, of course.
	Obviously, it's the last tweet you ever sent.
	I'm blocking people left and right.
	Last tweet you ever sent.
	I lost all respect for Dvorak.
	We need a jingle.
	John reads his tweets.
	Oh no.
	That's the respect.
	That's all?
	I checked the guy out.
	He's not even following me.
	How much respect do I have?
	What else?
	At the Real Dvorak is the Twitter thing.
	Anyway, no, that's it.
	That's all I have.
	It was amusing.
	Once a week, I'll go through my Facebook account just to see what's going on, which is usually depressing, mainly because there's this MTV alumni group.
	It's a closed group, apparently, so you can only post or read if you're a member of the group.
	And whenever I look at that group, it's like, oh, R.I.P. this guy, or, you know, oh, that director died, or, you know, the camera guy, you know, died of cancer.
	Like, I hate Facebook.
	It's a dead book.
	It's an update on who's dead.
	Really, I mean, I actually posted in...
	Dead Facebook.
	I posted in there.
	I said, you know, I hate this place.
	It's only about who's dead.
	I'm turning it into a Deadpool.
	And the audio engineer at MTV has emphysema.
	So I called him out.
	I said, you're next.
	My money's on you, shithead.
	You're going to die.
	Oh, great.
	Good one.
	He appreciates that.
	He's my boy.
	Anyway, so let me just read a couple of postings.
	Here's one, and these are from people who I know personally.
	Anyone against the death penalty for the terrorist in Boston really needs to come to grips with reality and lay off the bleeding heart shit.
	This guy needs to be put to death!
	And then the next one...
	By the way, the death penalty is off the table in Massachusetts.
	Nuts whether these people realize that or not.
	But that's another story.
	And this is a woman.
	The media is referring to the degenerate responsible for the Boston bombings as the suspect.
	Not quite accurate, is it?
	Where exactly is the suspicion?
	How about scum, delinquent, thug, wretch, miscreant?
	I could go on!
	Really?
	This is somebody posting this?
	This is someone I know.
	Both of these people.
	You better re-examine your friends.
	I can't unfriend these people because then I'll miss all the goodies.
	That's horrible.
	I mean, it's really...
	It's the American way.
	It's really quite...
	I think lynch mobs are the American way when it comes down to it.
	Well, it's our history.
	It's our culture.
	It really is.
	Obviously I have a million interesting clips because regardless of what happened or how it happened, what the crisis is being used for is really the cool part of everything.
	It makes no sense to do all this investigative work.
	Please people, stop sending me Links to pictures of hats and caps and backpacks and circles and arrows.
	Please.
	My wife Mimi is on board with all those things.
	She's always calling me out so I'm trying to cook something and she gives me a call because she's up in Washington right now and she goes...
	Do you think it was a fake?
	The bodies were...
	Oh, and look, and there's this website.
	They show the pictures, and she's going on.
	I said, who cares?
	I said, this may or may not be true, or could the pictures in the website maybe phonied up for all you know?
	The whole thing could be double-spaced.
	You don't know.
	We're nowhere near the place.
	So now on CNN all morning, now we've got the mom, and she looks just like her.
	She's Russian.
	She's got a Russian accent.
	She speaks English.
	She's got a head scarf on, just the way you'd expect from a babushka.
	So let's just presume it's really the mom, and she's all on board with the crisis actor tip, which is fantastic.
	I haven't.
	There are people in Boston who want to know why, and they believe they did this.
	They believe that.
	You know, I saw a very, very interesting video last night that the marathon was something like a really big play.
	There is like paint instead of blood.
	Like it is made up something.
	Do you really believe that?
	Now, did you see this interview?
	Have you heard the mother?
	Any of this talk?
	No, and I'm still wondering how she's...
	Her English is actually quite credible for someone who doesn't even live in this country.
	Yes.
	Well, so I'm going to take the position that this is now being brought to the foreground.
	And there's a lot of this, you know, oh, conspiracy theorists are crazy, they're nuts.
	I'm going...
	They're all crazy, they're nuts.
	Well, check this out.
	This is...
	So you're doing meta on this.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm going above it.
	A meta meta?
	Oh!
	Oh, yeah.
	So, chat room, you should be logged in via a proxy server because every single one of you is a target and a suspect.
	I am.
	I am radicalizing you.
	In the thought, in actual thinking.
	It's radical thinking that I am propagating upon you.
	Now, this is MSNBC. And listen to the turn that this conversation takes and where it leads.
	And, of course, they bring up the seed guy.
	But it's quite interesting to...
	You bring up the what guy?
	Alex Jones.
	Ah.
	Yeah, but...
	See, I could refer to Glenn Beck.
	Well, okay, it could have been any...
	Any of the seed guys.
	Glenn Beck is too mainstream, you see.
	It's got to be crazy thinking.
	Crazy stuff.
	Okay, so listen to this.
	That's your point about the Internet.
	Almost...
	That's your point about the Internet, by the way.
	This is all about radicalization on the Internet.
	Oh, yeah, the Internet.
	Every homegrown Al-Qaeda-inspired extremist that we've seen in the United States over the past five to six years...
	How long has our show been on the air, I ask you?
	Five, six years?
	It has really been affected quite significantly by English-speaking extremist preachers online.
	The most notable one is...
	They call me the Podfather.
	You know, I'm just saying.
	But there are others throughout the world.
	And learning how to build the bombs, kind of being attracted to this really virulent ideology which so skews Islam, is relatively common.
	And I think magazines put out by organizations like Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, a magazine known as Inspire.
	I think I have read that magazine, John.
	And by the way, this magazine, they're pushing this.
	They're pushing this.
	They're promoting magazines.
	I'm totally convinced a magazine is a honeypot.
	But we have read the magazine.
	I've read passages to my radicalized public.
	And might I ask you, why do not they refer to Anwar al-Awlaki as the late?
	Don't you think they should show some respect for the dead?
	As the late N.Y.L. Milwaukee once said on the internet.
	The late.
	Or they could just say, the droned.
	That would be okay.
	Droned would be good.
	Droned, yeah.
	Alright, so let's continue.
	In other places that you can learn to make these bombs.
	Oh yeah, like the Anarchist Cookbook, like Abby Hoffman Steal This Book.
	I mean, there's plenty of places you can learn to make these bombs.
	Well, he is the path that many homegrown extremists have taken and unfortunately we've seen it again, I would guess.
	And Joy, today, the other motivational element added to the mix was the American invasion of Afghanistan and then Iraq.
	Right, and we also learned that the older brother was a devotee of the Alex Jones website and conspiracy theory Infowars.
	I like it how she says the Alex Jones website and conspiracy theory.
	Infowars.
	I like the way what his name calls it.
	It's Iraq.
	Oh, yeah.
	He's not on board with the program.
	He doesn't know.
	So now listen.
	So there's the seed guy.
	Now she takes it all the way to us.
	So you have this combination of sort of radical ideology, increasing religiosity.
	Religiosity?
	Have you ever heard of this?
	Increasing religiosity and radical.
	Okay, go on.
	Let it roll.
	Is that a word, religiosity?
	Yeah.
	Really?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Increasing religiosity, but also buying into a lot of conspiracy theories.
	9-11 trutherism apparently was a part of the mix.
	So, yeah, it's not just what...
	How about moon landing?
	...sites that are put out by terrorists overseas or, you know, terror organizations overseas.
	It's also conspiracy theorizing right here in the U.S. So it's a pretty scary combination.
	That's a scary combination.
	That's right.
	Conspiracy theorizing and religiosity in the U.S. of ASOS. That's me.
	Trutherism.
	Trutherism.
	Is a new one.
	Truth-erism.
	Truth-erism, that means it's like a political movement.
	It is.
	Truth-erism is now...
	It's a religiosity...
	It's a religiosity political movement.
	And here's Mad Cow with the same thing.
	Sandy Hook shootings.
	Now, of course, those same people fomenting those crazy conspiracy theories...
	Crazy!
	...are also trying to sell the idea that the Boston Marathon bombing did not happen.
	Now, this is before the mother came out, when she made the statements...
	Or if the Boston Marathon bombing did happen, it was done by the government.
	It's an elaborate hoax to make us believe that we were attacked when really we weren't attacked, it was our government doing it to us.
	That's right!
	It's all part of the way the government controls us or something.
	That's right!
	To be clear, I'm not talking about family members of the bombing suspects saying we believe...
	No, because they were on their way.
	...if our family members are innocent.
	That's a whole different thing.
	What I'm talking about is full-blown American conspiracy theories that the U.S. government itself bombed the Boston Marathon.
	Pick me up now!
	I'm ready to go!
	Where's my striped outfit?
	Go get him, boys!
	Where's my orange suit?
	Knock on the door!
	Bust it down!
	Where's my orange jumpsuit?
	I'm telling you!
	Get him out of here!
	Mr.
	Adam Curry!
	Open up the door, Mr.
	Curry!
	Now!
	Mr.
	D.C. Vorak!
	Open up the door, jump dial!
	Now!
	You know, the guy who produced that is so cool.
	He actually took the effort to put my open up the door skewed left channel and your open up the door skewed right channel.
	It's really cool.
	Yeah, it's really good.
	Does the clock have to be such a hick?
	Now, it's kind of weird if you're looking for some motivation.
	And let me just play into Rachel's idea that my religiosity is to trutherism you all.
	So, in February of this year, we saw something, and we discussed it on the show.
	I remember a quad, clearly.
	And, hold on, I'm bringing this up here.
	There's a new department...
	That was actually a working group started by the President.
	The working group to counter online radicalization to violence in the United States.
	And they released a fact sheet countering online radicalization.
	Fact sheet.
	And the guy who runs this, by the way, is kind of...
	He's kind of under the radar.
	I'm not quite sure.
	His name is Quinton Wiktorowicz.
	Yeah.
	I doubt it.
	He's written a couple of books about Islam and radicalization.
	Quinton.
	Q-U-I-N-T-A-N. What name is that?
	Well, exactly.
	Quinton.
	So here's the fact sheet.
	The starting point.
	This is a starting point to tackle the threat of violent extremism use of the Internet's Adopting an internet safety approach and related tools is key, but the Interagency Working Group to Counter Online Radicalization to Violence, better known as the Iwagrukskar, will be charged with considering additional efforts as appropriate.
	Of course, protecting freedom of speech, but addressing the threat violent extremists use the internet to recruit and radicalize Americans to commit acts of violence.
	Fact!
	We have seen attacks over the last several years in which consumption of propaganda over and communication through the internet played a role in the radicalization of the attacker.
	This is all we need.
	We need one guy to say, I was in the no agenda chat room and then I was like, I gotta go let something off, man.
	The federal government will work to make communities more resilient to these messages of hate.
	By raising awareness and providing tools, informed and resilient communities are our nation's first and best line of defense against terrorism.
	I think we're actually doing a good job of that if you really look at it objectively.
	Yeah, if you're objective.
	Objectively.
	So this working group now has a real job to do because this is totally the way it's being spun.
	They've got a webpage.
	Yeah, they do.
	There's a bunch of webpages countering violent extremism.
	They're all over the place.
	Listen to...
	There's one on thewhitehouse.gov.
	There's one here on DHS. Oh, I know.
	International partnerships.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, this is another push.
	So not only do we need more money because still, for some reason, with all of the tens...
	More money because two boneheads dropped a crappy...
	Never mind.
	You mean a weapon of mass destruction.
	Oh, yes.
	I'm sorry.
	A pot now is a weapon of mass destruction.
	Oh, well, I'm so glad you asked.
	Here is the definition according to 18 U.S.C. 232A, a U.S. code.
	Weapon of mass destruction, determination, and definition.
	The term weapon of mass destruction means...
	A. Any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title.
	And B... Any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals or their precursors.
	So I can go down the list here.
	It can be a bomb, a grenade, a rocket, a missile, a mine, any device similar to any...
	Wait, wait, wait.
	So a hand grenade?
	Oh, no, it gets better.
	So you're in a war.
	No, no, it gets better.
	It gets better.
	If you really read this, the law...
	Any cylinder, any container with more than one quarter ounce of black gunpowder is defined by the U.S. law as a weapon of mass destruction, which I think is pretty much a firecracker.
	A cherry bomb, probably.
	Cherry bomb, yeah.
	Firecrackers, nah, not so much.
	I don't think it's a quarter ounce.
	A quarter ounce.
	So it says here...
	Well, actually, there was no real gunpowder used, as far as I can tell.
	That was just all fireworks goop, which is not really gunpowder, specifically.
	Here it says, the term destructive devices means any explosive, incendiary, or poison, gas, bomb, grenade, rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces, missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one quarter ounce, a mine or device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses.
	So they've redefined weapon of mass destruction to mean a quarter ounce of black powder.
	Correct.
	And nobody says anything, nobody blinks an eye at this.
	No.
	Why would you?
	Because a weapon of mass destruction, and you can disagree if you want to, always implied to me, or inferred, one of the two, that it was a nuke.
	Yes.
	Or a chemical weapon.
	Or at least something, at least a blockbuster, some kind of a massive product that would do mass destruction.
	Now, do you call blowing up a garbage can?
	Mass destruction?
	Is that defined as mass destruction?
	The garbage can blew up.
	This has been defined as a...
	It means every kid who blows up mailboxes now in rural South Dakota will be arrested for using a weapon of mass destruction.
	So just take the letters IED and replace them with WMD and add some LNOP and you're good to go.
	This is why this program is so good, because I just have to laugh about this.
	Because this is the real...
	Whether you think your government is plotting against you and blowing up citizens and planting bombs is one thing.
	This is real terror.
	This is actual terrorizing of citizens.
	By doing this kind of stuff.
	By changing the rules and not telling anybody.
	This only shows up in the Federal Register, by the way.
	There's no other place.
	This is never discussed.
	Ever is this discussed.
	Oh, and by the way, this is another twit irksome thing for you.
	Of course, the states have it all wrong, and the states have to start adhering to federal law, and federal law should, of course, trump state law.
	Boy, the firework stuff, this stuff is legal in New Hampshire.
	It's illegal in Massachusetts.
	It's very common there.
	You drive up over the New Hampshire border, you grab this stuff, and you bring it back.
	And the question is, is this where they got the totality of Of the gunpowder that they used for this bombing.
	That gunpowder, idiot.
	But the different state laws making different things easier to obtain here than there are part of what this story's about.
	That's a part of what this story's about!
	Okay, thank you.
	He's right.
	That's part of what the story is now about, yes.
	The quality of tracking.
	You know, you've talked on the show about the tagging issue and not being able to necessarily trace where gunpowder comes from.
	And just sort of the mundane items that they were able to put together apparently by just going online.
	And figuring out how to make such deadly destructive weapons.
	They didn't have to obtain some sophisticated equipment.
	A lot of this was stuff that was relatively easy to obtain.
	I think that's another issue that we have to look at.
	But as you said, we have disparate state laws.
	It's very difficult to police something when each state makes its own laws.
	That's right.
	Crazy ass states.
	Stupid states.
	We can't be having this.
	We can't have this state thing.
	These states make their own laws.
	This is no good.
	So, when you're listening to this program, and we have received an email and you responded to it, John, a rare response that you copied me on at least.
	Someone who said, you know, I can't listen to your show anymore.
	In fact, let me read it.
	Yeah, read that and read your response, and I'd like to jump in and say something about that.
	My response was, you know...
	Read the email first.
	Now, read the email first.
	Read the email.
	Well, let me get it.
	It's in the pile of papers that I printed out.
	You print...
	I love it.
	The fact that you print out emails is just...
	Sorry, what?
	That's awesome.
	I love that you do that.
	That I print stuff out?
	Yeah.
	There it is.
	Yes, I have to because it's easier than fooling around on the internets.
	Um...
	He didn't say what's his name mentioned, but I'll just use his first name, Garrett.
	Hi, guys.
	I stopped listening to the show a couple of months ago since I couldn't take all of the media assassination.
	It's all valid, of course, but just like The Daily Show, there was so much material and clips covering how stupid the media is that I couldn't take it anymore.
	Your thesis on how people feel sick when lied to by the media is probably correct.
	I think the problem is that No Agenda features and replays all these clips of douchebag news anchors lying to me in a huge dose.
	I'd rather No Agenda focus on actual events and legislation, which we do, by the way, hitting me in the mouth with clips of politicians and witnesses.
	We do that, too.
	And to avoid clips of idiot news anchors altogether.
	Sincerely, Garrett X. Now, I send a note back saying, you know, this is one of the reasons I can't watch the Jon Stewart show.
	I didn't realize until he mentioned it.
	For more than a couple of months, I had to stop watching it because it gets to me.
	And the same way.
	It's just like, okay, it doesn't work after a while.
	And you're just kind of sick of it.
	And I told him that I think this will be the death knell of the show.
	This problem.
	Yes.
	Now, on the other hand, which I didn't go into because I didn't want to write a long note, we do try to keep it light and humorous.
	I mean, it's an entertaining show.
	We don't do it with the dour craziness of the MSNBC people who are wringing their hands over every little thing that goes on.
	We don't do that.
	And we have, you know, we try to keep it light.
	And we try not to get people all worked up and fretting.
	And I think we do a decent job, but apparently not.
	Well, what I would like to say is there's two things you can do.
	One is don't listen and don't watch television and paint.
	And that, by the way, is my advice.
	My advice is to completely cut off all of this from the world.
	Cook, garden, paint, do pottery.
	You will live a long and healthy life.
	Do not listen to any of this.
	If, however, you have a social life, you have family, you have kids, if you're not living in seclusion, then you probably can do a combo and listen to us And we'll filter it for you.
	So when you get one of these numbskulls that says, kill him!
	Or whatever.
	And by the way, don't respond to them.
	Forget about it.
	In this case, responding is not the way to go.
	The posse will turn on you.
	And you will be lynched.
	You will be the lynched one.
	By proxy.
	That's true.
	Yeah, seriously, don't do that.
	So these people are very ill.
	When they get to this level of indoctrination, these people are ill.
	It's sickening.
	And I have two very specific examples.
	Actually, here's...
	Listen to this news report.
	This is when Boston was, and you did a good job of bringing this up on Twit, John.
	I heard you do it, and I was like, oh my god, I can't believe he's doing that.
	And you even said that I was giving you shit for doing no agenda material on that show.
	But it's their own fault.
	And it's a great promo to the show.
	They're the ones that brought it up.
	I know, I know.
	I call that show to talk about tech.
	I know, I know, I know.
	I'm not giving you any crap for it.
	But for the entire city of Boston to be shut down at great expense to find one bleeding, as it now appears, unarmed kid was, of course, crazy.
	And by the way, let me mention that in the discussion when Leo got all worked up, they had bombs, they were shooting, and I said, the guy in the boat, I doubt if he had a gun.
	Oh yeah, there was an exchange of weapons, an exchange of shots.
	And now the Washington Post shows the guy didn't have any arms at all.
	No weapon, no nothing.
	Did you ever see the shots of the helicopter showing the cops?
	Yeah, yeah.
	They're firing in this guy's boat.
	You know he's never going to get compensated for that.
	No, there's a fund.
	The one fund Boston will pay for it.
	They've already raised $25 million.
	Don't worry about that guy.
	He's cool.
	But listen to the terrorizing, terrorizing, and listen to the words the reporter uses in this little snippet of a report from the door-to-door, house-to-house manhunt.
	A dramatic scene played out in front of our cameras.
	Parents grabbing their children and running after spending the night hunkering in their houses and then finding themselves face-to-face with the muzzle of a SWAT officer's rifle.
	How awesome is that, people?
	Long live America!
	It's a little stressful.
	It was a little stressful seeing these guys throwing big guns and you're holding your daughter in your arms, but they're doing the right thing.
	I'm doing the right thing.
	I'm sticking a gun in my daughter's face.
	Now hold on.
	Now wait for it.
	Listen to the news report trying to secure the neighborhood.
	Each time the SWAT team would rescue a family.
	Rescue a family.
	You got rescued, citizen.
	Yeah.
	Each time they would rescue, it's called rescue now.
	When you go in and you stick an automatic or semi-automatic rifle into your children's faces and tell them to get out, that's called a rescue.
	You know, they're trying to secure the neighborhood.
	Each time the SWAT team would rescue a family at the point of a gun, they would rush in.
	It's literally saying it.
	Rescue at the point of a gun!
	The SWAT team would rescue a family at the point of a gun.
	They would rush into the home in an armored line, guns at the ready, in case the suspect was hiding inside.
	And each time they cleared out a resident, they did it with a force that reflected the uncertainty of not knowing who was a friend and who was a foe.
	I love it.
	Rescued at the end of a gun.
	This is crazy.
	Who's a friend and who's a foe?
	Crazy.
	Those guys had so much body armor on.
	Oh, that's funny you say that because...
	It's ludicrous.
	This reminded me of a quote from our president just recently who said...
	What did we see on the street?
	What were the cops...
	What would it look like?
	They looked like the military.
	How?
	And that deserves a vote in Congress because weapons of war have no place on our streets.
	Yeah, unless it's the government.
	Then it's okay.
	He said it!
	Yeah!
	That's a great clip.
	That's an almost clip of the day, just out of the blue, because you dropped it like a bomb.
	Weapons of war have no place on our streets, except when it's the police, and I guess the Fourth Amendment doesn't count.
	And all those armored vehicles, too.
	Let's not forget those.
	Just in case.
	Don't you have the right to say, no, you can't come into my house without a search warrant?
	I mean, I know why you wouldn't do it, because you might get over-rescued.
	He might get rescued by a bullet.
	Oh, he got rescued from himself with this 9mm.
	Oops.
	Now, there's more craziness to this.
	I mean, if you want crazy, then you want to have...
	You want to bring in the elites in the conversation.
	Not just the numbskulls on CNN. Jake Tapper, by the way, looks really uncomfortable with all this.
	Poor Jake.
	He messed up something over there at ABC. I think he did something wrong with election night.
	He did something wrong.
	That's why he got fired.
	Because this is not a move up in your career, going from ABC Network News to CNN. This is not a move up.
	That's like a move to Siberia.
	Yeah, so he's kind of top dog because he has the credentials, but he's looking very uncomfortable with all of this.
	He really, really is.
	So you bring in the elites to give it a little more cred, like Charlie Rose, of course, because now we're on our national treasure, and you bring in David Remnick.
	You know who David Remnick is?
	Yeah, I do, but I can't think of him.
	I think he's from the New Yorker.
	I don't know if he's an editor or...
	I actually may have met him.
	Totally seems like a guy you'd have a Chardonnay with at a party.
	You.
	Yeah, me.
	So listen to this guy bring it all full circle.
	I think a domestic question that has to be asked is, how do kids like that get guns?
	Yeah, that's what I've always wanted.
	How do kids like that get guns, which they didn't have in the boat?
	I don't know.
	Yeah, that's what I've always wanted to do.
	Where are they getting sidearms from?
	Where are they getting pistols from?
	It's not to me, and I don't want to politicize...
	What kids is he talking about?
	He's talking about these two kids.
	They're not kids.
	They're adults.
	They're kids to him.
	Terrorism, but it is worth remarking upon.
	Worth remarking upon, that within a week's time, a very, very, very weak gun control bill gets defeated, in effect defeated in the Senate.
	We see yet another act, which might have been a hell of a lot more difficult to pull off, with effective gun control.
	So good, good work.
	Bring it all around to gun control and more rules and regulations.
	And then Charlie Rose has...
	Wait a minute.
	How did you even make that turn?
	The guys are bombers.
	No, but they had guns in the shootout, you see.
	We don't even know that.
	They've never found a gun.
	It's irrelevant to...
	This is all...
	What happened is irrelevant, John.
	We already established that ten minutes ago.
	It doesn't matter what happened.
	It's what takes place now that is interesting to me.
	So we have Philip Mudd.
	I've never met this guy.
	I'm looking at his picture.
	So Philip Mudd is also on a Charlie Rose show.
	He's the former deputy director of National Security for the FBI, former deputy director of Counterterrorism Center for the CIA. This is a real muckety-muck.
	And this guy is...
	He is pretty much the biggest asshole I have seen on television in a long time.
	What's his name?
	Philip Mudd, M-U-D-D. Mudd?
	Mudd, yeah.
	Good name, right?
	Good name.
	So, he is a career spook who actually turned down...
	I guess the government wasn't evil enough for this guy.
	Oh yeah, this guy looks like an evil guy.
	In fact, I'll play them out of order.
	Here's where Rose is asking about the fact that he turned down a job in government.
	Listen to this.
	Yeah, that's a little bit of what happened in the movie Zero Dark Thirty, isn't it?
	I didn't see it.
	Why not?
	I will not see it.
	Why not?
	Because it gives Americans the sense that this is what their security services do.
	As I understand, it's sort of people sitting around rooms kicking around detainees.
	That is unacceptable.
	It's not what we did.
	And the perception among Americans that there is some rogue security service out there that does not operate at the direction of the Congress and the White House, elected American officials, and under the law established by the Congress and interpreted by the Department of Justice.
	I did not live in that world.
	Yeah, pretty much goes counter to everything we know.
	They told us what to do.
	We tried to execute it as best we could.
	Oh, yes.
	We're just following orders.
	So this guy is saying, I guess he doesn't watch the kind of hearings we watch or some of the meetings.
	He's just following orders.
	Hayden, the guy who was the head of torture, and two other guys discussing this, and Hayden being, of course, the head of the CIA at the time, discussing the whole...
	Yeah, we played that.
	And how it operated in a very calm manner.
	And then this guy, this guy doesn't seem, he seems like an outsider to me who's just making a, he's like a phony.
	Well, listen, okay, so now I'll go back to the beginning where he's talking about what he, so what he believes these, the bomber, the marathon men, new meme, what the marathon men were all about.
	Telling us that we, It went from ideologically motivated people who had a whole architecture to build global terrorism to two brothers who could do a basic attack and then went out to party afterwards because they didn't know how to get out.
	And told people they'd done it.
	That's right.
	Okay, there are lots of questions that come out of this.
	One, motive.
	What's your judgment about motive?
	Motive.
	Now, this is very interesting.
	By the way, we don't know that they told anybody they did it.
	No, we don't know anything.
	But this is the story that's being built by PBS. PBS, your national treasure, your public broadcast system, the truth, the shining beacon of light.
	My judgment is what they say is not necessarily what I believe.
	They're going to talk about a broader goal, a broader jihadi goal, for example, which is evidently what the younger brother says.
	He's got the script, though, John.
	He knows what's coming.
	I'm suspicious about this.
	The reason is, first, he doesn't have much of an ideological background.
	Second, in these cases, these kids know they've done something heinous.
	They want to explain that they did it for a higher good.
	I think in some ways the explanation is much simpler, especially if you contrast it to what we saw with ideologically motivated terrorists 12 years ago, and that is, two kids are pissed off, they may be disenfranchised, they may have had a bad experience at school, they may not have friends, and they say, look, we want to do something, this tactic of terrorism is the tactic of the 21st century.
	It's the way to go!
	It's the Twitter of terrorism.
	I'm telling you, this is great.
	Hey, this is what we should be doing.
	All the cool kids are doing it.
	And that is, we think our religion is under siege.
	I don't necessarily think these are real jihadi terrorists.
	I think they're angry kids.
	Now, that to me was interesting.
	He said, I don't think they're real jihadi terrorists.
	What could that mean?
	This guy is not, by the way, FBI. He's ex-CIA, counterintelligence, and I think he's yelling at other agencies for him to say these are not real jihadis.
	What does that mean exactly?
	Free at what?
	Angry, for example, that their inability to find a place in American culture.
	Angry maybe that they don't have great friends.
	They may have some vague religious notions, but their youth, one of whom is 19 years old and his big brother said, let's go do it.
	I've said before, I think in some ways, psychologically, this has characteristics of Columbine as much as it has characteristics of al-Qaeda.
	One question.
	So, I hadn't paid much attention to what he was saying there until I heard Joe Biden speak.
	Did you hear Joe Biden at the memorial service, what he said?
	No, go.
	Okay.
	Well, this is a two-parter, John, because we'll also play...
	Drunk or not drunk.
	Drunk or not drunk.
	You can answer at any time.
	Is Joe drunk or not drunk?
	I get asked, like, my colleagues...
	Almost every day.
	Drunk!
	Yes!
	Congratulations!
	And he's very drunk, actually.
	And he's so drunk that he gives away part of the script, I think.
	Since 9-11.
	Why?
	Why?
	He's hammered, John.
	I'm telling you.
	There's like drool coming out of his mouth.
	Why?
	Why?
	This terrorist phenomenon of the beginning of the 21st century.
	He's saying the exact same thing as that guy just said.
	This terror phenomenon.
	The Twitter of terror.
	Why?
	Why?
	People say to me, for they surely know they can never defeat us.
	They can never overthrow us.
	They can never occupy us.
	So why?
	Why?
	Whether it's Al-Qaeda central out of the Fatah, Or two twisted, perverted, cowardly knockoff jihadis?
	Knockoff jihadis?
	Knockoff jihadis?
	Keep playing.
	Here in Boston, why do they do what they do?
	I've thought about it a lot.
	Because I deal with it a lot.
	And I've come to the conclusion, which is not unique to me, but they do it to instill fear.
	To have us, in the name of our safety and security, jettison what we value most and the world most values about us.
	Our open society.
	Our system of justice that guarantees freedom.
	I think he smoked some weed, too, before he had the booze.
	He's got something.
	He's got chemicals in him.
	The success of all Americans to opportunity, the free flow of information in people across this country, our transparency.
	That's their target.
	The moment we change...
	The moment we look inward, the moment we get in a crouch in our defensive, that's the moment when they win.
	What makes me so proud of this great state and the city of Boston and Cambridge and all those involved and the students on this campus, what makes me so proud to be an American is that we have not yielded to our fears.
	Except we stay in our house and wait for the government to put a gun in our face and say it's okay.
	They rescue us.
	No, they don't say it's okay.
	They say get out.
	No, no.
	We're saying it's okay.
	They're just here to rescue us.
	They're just here to rescue us.
	We have not compromised our values.
	He's high.
	We have not weakened our constitutional guarantees.
	At all.
	Whatsoever.
	Like, Fourth Amendment doesn't let us come in on this manhunt.
	That's not weakening anything.
	We have not closed our borders.
	I think the louder you yell, the more true it becomes, Joe.
	Try that.
	Oh, we have suffered.
	No.
	We are grieving.
	No.
	But we are not bending.
	No.
	We will not yield to fear.
	No.
	We will not hunker down.
	We will not be intimidated.
	When the world...
	Down in the houses.
	It's exactly what we were doing.
	Exactly.
	Towers were taken down on that horrible day.
	The cynic said, we will never build another one.
	We built one taller.
	We did?
	We built one taller?
	I think it's got a stick at the top.
	Oh, it's got a taller stick.
	An absolute defiance took ten years when Bin Laden struck for those who said...
	We'll never follow him.
	Okay, that's enough.
	Drunk.
	Hold on.
	Drunk.
	Some alternate clips.
	I do have an important reveal, though, but I'm happy to detour.
	Save the reveal after these clips are done.
	Happy to detour, yes.
	I decided to catch the ABC. Very good.
	Brian Ross stuff.
	It was all piling on and I have four clips including one.
	I'll play the clips in kind of an order but I do want to present one earlier or before which is the Rand Corporation guy comes on Again, it's an ABC thing.
	And this is during the period where the kid is being interrogated.
	Nobody really knows anything except some guy walks out once in a while and says, wow, what he told us was this, which could all be bullcrap.
	We know the police departments aren't most accurate in telling us what's going on.
	They just make themselves look good.
	So this guy, this Rant Corporation guy, I'm listening to this as the guy is actually revealing the script.
	And so this is ABC, which we know fact is compromised.
	Fact.
	The news director of ABC is married to top Obama advisor.
	It's all in the same family.
	And the Rand Corporation, well...
	And it's run by Disney.
	Yeah, there you go.
	It's the most magical place on earth.
	So this guy, who doesn't really know anything, the entire...
	The entire episode is yet to be perfectly deconstructed or even outlined by the police in any official way.
	But when you listen to this guy, it's as if he knows all this stuff.
	And I'm just flabbergasted by what he says as an official word of an analyst who has looked at everything and now has decided to give his opinion.
	Before I play, what does the Rand Corporation do?
	They're a non-profit, I believe, the Rand Corporation.
	It's a think tank.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And we work with the government.
	An Al-Qaeda internet description of how to make a pressure cooker bomb.
	Seth Jones, a counter-terror expert at the RAND Corporation, has analyzed the marathon attack and how it was pulled off.
	They ad-libbed part of it and made some decisions on a few elements of the bomb making.
	But what's different about this is they took a very simple recipe and then targeted the Boston Marathon.
	And why the marathon?
	Because, officials say, it was there, essentially, and easy.
	Not long in the planning, either.
	It does appear, though, that the younger brother had not become involved until later in the process, perhaps a week or so before the actual attack.
	Jones says the brothers seem to have been inspired by the internet preachings of Anwar al-Awlaki, the charismatic American-born al-Qaeda jihadist, who has been dead now for more than a year and a half.
	The older brother appeared to be the more radicalized of the two and was the one that drove both the need to conduct the attack as well as the preparation.
	Just stop for a second.
	How does he know any of this?
	Yeah, exactly.
	How do they know it was a week before that he decided to join his brother?
	This is all bull crap.
	This is a script or a ridiculous supposition that shouldn't be on the air.
	And then Brian Ross fills in the blanks with his voiceover that comes in every so often.
	And by the way, they like to make the explosion sound quite a bit.
	Can you promise me something?
	If I die before you do, could you make sure that they always say the charismatic Adam Curry?
	Because I really like that.
	That's nice.
	How about once charismatic?
	Because you'd be dead.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, well, no, I think the...
	The ever, just ever charismatic.
	You can be ever even though you're dead.
	The jihadist who has been dead now for more than a year and a half.
	The older brother appeared to be the more radicalized of the two and was the one that drove both the need to conduct the attack as well as the preparation for the attack themselves.
	That is building the bombs.
	And as to what drove 26-year-old Tamerlan, officials say his younger brother claims it was hatred of America.
	He may have been angry at other things about the status of his life, but he increasingly turned to Salafi jihadism, was radicalized because, among other things, of U.S. foreign policy decisions overseas, and that especially Afghanistan and Iraq.
	So this, too, he's saying there were knockoffs.
	I guess.
	Yeah, this is the official script.
	Well, this is all to push the agenda, which you can hear.
	Let's play the regular series of clips, which I call Piling on the Dead Guy.
	And it's Brian Ross again, who...
	What the younger brother is reported to be saying is consistent with what we heard in their neighborhood about the older brother Tamerlan and his disgust with things American and Christian.
	He said that the Bible is a cheap copy of the Koran.
	He said that most American wars are excused with the Bible.
	It also emerged today that there might be a possible link to an unsolved murder two years ago.
	Local prosecutors said Monday, given Tamerlan's violent nature, they are now investigating whether Tamerlan was involved in the brutal murder of three young men, one of whom was his roommate.
	The three were found with their throats slashed, covered in marijuana and cash.
	Federal agents have also been looking closely at the six-month trip Tamerlan took last year to Russia, at a time that rebel groups there carried out a number of violent attacks, as ABC's Kirat Radia discovered in the Dagestan region.
	Just last year alone, Dagestan lost 115 police officers in nearly 300 terror attacks.
	Just two years ago, this street was obliterated by a car bomb.
	I think this guy also administered the doping to Lance Armstrong.
	I think that was his doing.
	I didn't know about the Dagestan stuff, but it's interesting.
	They're, you know, piling on.
	That's why I call it piling on, because now the guy hates Christians, the Bible sucks, and all these kinds of...
	And you know guys will go on...
	You know you're going to go out in the street and just pick somebody up.
	You know this guy?
	Where are you from?
	I'm from ABC Network News.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, I know him.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's for sure.
	Do you think that he hates Christians?
	Yeah, I think so.
	By the way, I've had this happen to me.
	I've done certain things on certain networks and they tell you, look, we're not doing an interview here.
	You're supposed to say it.
	You learn this once, you don't have to be told a second time.
	So they'll hint around by saying something, but now you say it in a sentence and put it in your own words.
	They'll actually tell you.
	In fact, I used to work at MTV. I think.
	I can't remember.
	It's so long ago.
	And I would always be so embarrassed when I'd be doing an interview and you'd have this a-hole producer standing right off the side who would also be responsible for editing the piece or their own, which had nothing to do with the interview.
	They were going to do it for like a news package or whatever.
	And so, you know, and I'm talking to a, you know, a celebrity, a huge star, and then the producer will interrupt and say, oh, excuse me, could you just give that answer again exactly like that, but start it off with the question?
	I'm like, are you a fucking asshole?
	Would you, like, fuck off?
	It's like the root, and of course the celebrity goes, sure, I'll do that, no problem.
	So when you ask me about how the band came together...
	Exactly.
	And you have to imagine the public is just as susceptible to this process of manipulation.
	As a celebrity, absolutely.
	Yeah, probably more so, because they want to be on ABC Network.
	Yep.
	So, anyway, onward.
	Is that the end of that part of this clip?
	Yeah, you've got three more, so I'm ready.
	Yeah, I'm waiting for my...
	Yeah, I'm going to clip, too, where they start discussing the meme of self-radicalization, which ABC is really pushing.
	According to officials, Chechnya had nothing to do with the marathon attack in the view of the younger brother.
	It doesn't at this point appear to be a Chechnya thing.
	Neighbors in Cambridge say Tamerlan was a changed man when he returned to the U.S. from Russia, swearing off tobacco and alcohol, linking to extremist jihadist videos.
	And saying, I don't have any American friends.
	I don't understand them.
	I would characterize it as really self-radicalization.
	I mean, these are individuals who may have some connections overseas, but the primary radicalization is in places like the United States.
	No!
	Now, there's a little catch in here that I don't think you'd notice right away.
	He said, oh, it's got nothing to do with Chechnya.
	They made a big deal about that, even though because that meme came up and started floating around the public domain.
	No, they pushed that to Dagestan.
	They moved it away from Chechnya.
	So that way we don't have to cooperate with the Russians.
	Yes.
	This is a Russian thing.
	You say, oh, God, you know, the Russians have been bitching about these Chechnyas forever, and now we're going to have to help them.
	No, we don't want that.
	We don't want that.
	Dagestan, by the way, I looked this up on the last show.
	There are quite a number of pipelines coming, Russian pipelines going through Dagestan.
	Yeah, 300 attacks.
	And it would be very convenient.
	And it's all near Georgia, which we own pretty much right now.
	George W. Bush International Airport.
	So we own that whole region.
	So it could be very convenient if we had that little extra piece.
	Not that it's going to happen.
	I think there's multiple factions at play now.
	Everyone's like, Fuck Dagestan!
	Dude, let's get in there!
	Let's go!
	Hype it up!
	Hype it up!
	Let me get in!
	Pipeline!
	Divert the oil off to Georgia!
	Can't go up north!
	No, it's good!
	We gotta take it!
	I think that...
	We finished Rubicon, by the way.
	Oh!
	Yes.
	Makes total, total sense.
	And they had a self...
	And now, spoiler alert...
	Okay, that's enough.
	They have a guy who's self-radicalized.
	And the whole thesis there is pretty much it's no agenda.
	It's a group of guys, big captains of industry.
	And for 25, 30 years, they're manipulating world events to profit off of it, either through military-industrial complex or through Wall Street or through many ways.
	And they actually own a company immediately.
	That feeds false information into the intelligence system and, of course, subsequently into the media.
	No wonder the show never got renewed.
	It's like you can't have a show with...
	Somebody in the intelligence community looked at this and said...
	No way!
	No way!
	This is not going to be on the air.
	Let's see, who's producing it?
	Just give him some money.
	Don't stop.
	Go away.
	Go away, you showrunner, you.
	Go away.
	Okay, piling on the dead guy finale has got a couple of memes in it.
	Okay...
	Factory.
	Hours after the younger brother talked to federal agents, authorities swarmed an area behind a Cambridge drugstore where the brother's father used to repair cars.
	With no known link so far to al-Qaeda or Chechnyan rebels, officials believe they are dealing with a new, equally dangerous trend, the Internet-trained terrorist.
	And this is now kind of the al-Qaeda modus operandi now, not relying only on operatives.
	But trying to get people to do it, to self-radicalize and to build their own bombs without having to come to a training camp in Pakistan or Yemen or other locations.
	We desperately need AQ on the PC. You know what?
	I'm sorry, I couldn't hear it because the garbage truck's outside dumping garbage.
	Oh.
	What'd you say?
	We need AQ at the PC. AQ on the PC. Al-Qaeda on the podcast is what we need.
	We need an Al-Qaeda podcast to radicalize everybody.
	In fact, we are the Al-Qaeda podcast.
	No, we're not.
	We are totally...
	I'm going to self-radicalize right now.
	Yeah, okay.
	This gag of yours is not funny.
	And that's not self-radicalizing.
	It's something else.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I misunderstood.
	Can I play my reveal?
	There's one more clip here.
	By the way, you're the one that had the first clip of this.
	It was last show of the...
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Oh no!
	Oh no!
	That was it.
	I made a joke.
	I made one too many jokes.
	About terror, self-radicalization, Al-Qaeda on the podcast, and that's it.
	We're done.
	Good night, everybody.
	It's been nice knowing you.
	This week in Al-Qaeda.
	That's a good one, Thorne.
	Hey, everybody.
	Welcome to TWAC. TWAC. TWAC. TWAC. Wow.
	So you sure it was a garbage truck, huh, John?
	Mm-hmm.
	A garbage truck, sure.
	All right.
	Well, this is taking longer than usual, so let me see what we can do.
	Hello?
	Hey.
	Did you get an upgrade for a better Skype experience?
	Right?
	No, I had a power outage.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, this...
	Okay.
	Uh-huh.
	Mm-hmm.
	Mm-hmm.
	Coincidence?
	I think not!
	Right.
	By the way, welcome back, everybody, to TWIAC, This Week in Al-Qaeda.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	So, uh...
	And I'm Leo Laporte.
	So, you mentioned this last show, you had a good clip where somebody started bringing this meme in.
	So, we can assume this meme's in play, which is the internet, you know, a kite in a box, a kite on the internet or whatever.
	Exactly.
	You have to go, getting this, the internet's a big threat.
	Exactly.
	Of course.
	And this is why we also have this, you know, this new working group to counter online radicalization, which was set up in February.
	Yeah, so the timing is all kind of right.
	Oh, yeah, coincidentally.
	Yeah, the timing is right.
	Do you have anything else, or can I play my big reveal?
	Well, let's just play the...
	Just for the meme fest, the beginning of all this bull crap on ABC is this one, Brian Ross' prelim piling on meme fest.
	In the hours before Zhahar Zernayev was charged with a crime that could lead to the death penalty, authorities tell ABC News the 19-year-old accused terrorist revealed the why and the how of the deadly bomb attacks.
	And for all the power of the two explosions, for all the dramatic gunfights, and for all the indications of well-trained terrorist techniques, the younger brother reportedly told agents, according to the authorities, it was almost entirely done from the Internet, homegrown, with no direction from overseas.
	Who needs directions overseas when you've got the No Agenda show notes?
	I mean, seriously.
	So, you made a very good point.
	And the point you make is that everyone is saying all these things, all these facts, and Brian Ross, actually, I think he said, we heard from the authorities who spoke to the guys who might have known someone else, who heard from the younger kid.
	Even though he can't talk, that this is what he said.
	So, throughout the week, and I was running around, running a couple errands, and so I was listening to our National Treasure NPR, I keep hearing that there is actual video evidence...
	Of these bombers, the marathon men, putting down their backpacks, walking away, the explosion goes off, they don't flinch, they keep walking.
	Yet what's weird is that...
	By the way, yeah.
	Have you seen this?
	Where is the video?
	That's what I'd like to know.
	I've never seen this video where everyone says, this guy's clearly not paying attention.
	So let's listen to the governor of Massachusetts.
	Is there anything on the videotape that maybe the public hasn't seen about his reaction that was particularly telling that move the investigation along?
	Well, the videotape is not something I've seen.
	It's been described to me in my briefings.
	But it does seem to be pretty clear that this suspect took the backpack off Put it down, did not react when the first explosion went off, and then moved away from the backpack in time for the second explosion.
	So pretty clear about his involvement and pretty chilling, frankly, as it was described to me.
	Wait a minute.
	Let me get this straight.
	This is the clip of the day.
	Thank you.
	Let me take it right now.
	I was waiting for that.
	Clip of the day.
	He has not seen the tape.
	I haven't seen it, but it was described to me, and it's terrible what happened.
	It's chilling.
	Oh, it's chilling, John.
	Chilling.
	And he's stuttering throughout the whole thing, because it's been described to him.
	No, no.
	Shall I tell you something?
	This guy is actually not a douchebag.
	He is afraid for his life.
	That could be.
	But the point, it seems to me that what the normal person says the following, which is what you would do, I would do.
	Well, I haven't seen it, but it was described in some manner, but I can't comment on it.
	I've never seen it.
	Right.
	I don't know.
	Somebody's describing it.
	I don't know why they wouldn't show it to me.
	That's what you really should say.
	Well, what I've heard is I've heard people say, well, no, of course they can't show that.
	Why?
	Oh, because it would taint the jury pool.
	The jury pool?
	They're ready to lynch the guy.
	Yeah, I know.
	But the governor of Massachusetts, who shut down the entire city based upon this evidence...
	This evidence has not seen the video.
	We've been flooded with the video of these guys walking around.
	Just walking around.
	Oh, look, he's got a white hat.
	And it's backwards.
	But we're not allowed to see this.
	And everyone I hear, well, you know, I haven't seen the video, but it exists.
	It's true.
	It's real.
	Don't ask any questions.
	It's real.
	It's all real.
	So, that to me is the damning evidence.
	Drunk of the droolings you're looking for.
	Yeah.
	So, this was kind of funny.
	Drunk or drunk not.
	Drunk or drunk not.
	I'm drunk.
	Drunk or not drunk, you can't hear it in the tape, but she is drunk in the rest of the interview.
	Diane Sawyer interviews George W. Bush and Laura Bush for the opening of the Bush Library.
	And listen to...
	Words matter, man.
	And this guy, I miss him.
	I miss him.
	I do want to get right to the news of this week.
	Sure.
	For some of the Americans.
	The terrorism in Boston.
	Yeah.
	Now listen to the stumble and the correction, and you tell me what word he was going to use.
	People have wondered if it took you right back to 9-11 when you heard it.
	Well, at first, you know, I was deeply concerned that there might have been an organized plot.
	I don't know all the facts.
	I don't think we all know all the facts, but I was deeply concerned that this could have been, you know, another organized...
	Highly organized attack on it.
	He was going to say conspiracy!
	Yeah.
	Why didn't he say it?
	Why did he pull back the word conspiracy?
	I don't know.
	Because he's used to conspiracies, like the 9-11 trutherism conspiracy.
	That's why.
	This guy's a douche.
	He's the douche.
	All right, let's thank our executive producers because we're very late on thanking them because of all of this stuff.
	Okay.
	But first, because my team went down and I didn't reopen my email, I want to talk a little bit just to you.
	I just want to say, hi, hello, Adam Curry.
	Yes, hello, and in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
	And in the morning to you, and in the morning to all the ships at sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	Yes, and our baronets, our barons, our earls, our dukes, our grand dukes, our viscounts, and, of course, our sheriffs.
	And hello there in the morning to you in the chat room, noagendashow.com, noagendastream.net, and Mr.
	Oil, Void Zero, Sir Gitmo Slave.
	Is it open yet?
	Are you ready?
	How much more do I have to do?
	Well, first I have to...
	Funny thing is that besides the mail program running particularly slow, I had this JavaScript thing that keeps interfering with my show coming up asking me if I want to upgrade that.
	And then it asked me if I want to upgrade the...
	The Adobe thing.
	What is that called?
	Flash.
	Yes.
	And of course it doesn't work anyway after you upgrade it.
	Flash is such a bug.
	But anyway, we do have a few people to thank.
	Oh, gee, there you go.
	It's open, ladies and gentlemen.
	Way to go.
	Okay.
	First, starting with Chris Jacobs, Sir Chris to you in San Francisco, California, who I believe becomes a baron.
	I sent him a note asking if he wants a baron.
	Yes, I think he becomes that.
	In the morning, Alpha Charlie and Julia, Charlie Delta, Sir Chris here.
	It will be my third night, and I was wondering if I could trouble you for some karma.
	In the midst of all the war on guns, ammo crazy, which you might imagine, bullseyeusa.com, my firearm stores and training centers are right in the middle of it.
	My wife was struck by a truck while jogging.
	Oh, crap.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, no.
	Thankfully she's on the mend, but we could use all the help we can get.
	Keep fighting the good fight and keep up the great work.
	Absolutely.
	Well, that's horrible.
	I didn't know about that.
	I've known Chris for 20 years.
	And you could have called, Chris!
	Anyway, definitely.
	Here's Karma.
	Thank you for the support of the show.
	You've got Karma.
	And I'm sure if you need anything there in the People's Republic, we can get it to you.
	Find a track and run around it.
	What is going on outside?
	Hold on a second.
	They're doing something weird.
	Let me listen.
	Oh, really?
	What?
	Leaf blowers.
	Oh, I can't hear it.
	Michael O'Grady in Augusta, Georgia.
	He'll be our executive producer for show 507.
	And here's Michael O'Grady.
	He's also in Augusta, Georgia at 88888, which completes his knighthood.
	And he'll be executive producer for this show.
	So hail lords of the asymptomatically infinite truth.
	During a brief visit to the city of sin, I discovered the National Association of Broadcasters was in town, wanting a little more excitement than the typical casino crowds.
	And Mrs. Reverend and I decided to take a trip to Club Sapphire.
	The wonderful club off the main strip was apparently hosting an event for NAB members.
	The coverage charge calculated with sales and entertainment taxes came out to be exactly $33 per person.
	Coincidence?
	Isn't Sapphire Club a strip club?
	Regardless of the numerology, the Mrs.
	Reverend and I treated one another to various vigorous lap dances from the entertainers.
	Because of this event, I am treating myself to a knighthood.
	I should be just over the qualifying amount.
	The deliciously bi-curious Mrs.
	Reverend also approves of Miss Mickey saying, that's right, sugar.
	Any damn time she wants to.
	I just got a visual.
	As a reverend and a knight, I request my lords of no agenda at the title of Knight Paladin.
	Should I be so deserving?
	If not, then I humbly accept the title of Knight Reverend.
	Give him Knight Paladin.
	Knight Paladin is a good one.
	I'm going to put that in right now.
	That's funny.
	And then wrapping up, our executive producer will be Sir Random Hillbilly in Elkins, West Virginia, 333333.
	I believe I qualify for knighthood, but I refuse to join a group that would have me.
	I told my wife I would give up on hookers and blow, so I'm headed back to the Adderall and weed.
	Great work, John, and keep up the whining Adam.
	Peter Aronson in San Francisco, California, becomes an associate executive producer and a night.
	This finally completes my donations.
	Oh, I'm sorry, Heather.
	I read it wrong.
	Heather.
	Heather.
	Hello, Heather.
	This finally completes my donations.
	Dame Hood puts me over by 33 cents.
	I'd like a long-haired heavy metal guys in scotch, please.
	Hold on.
	Well, I've got to put that on the list.
	I've got to write this one down because I won't remember it the first time around.
	Long-haired heavy metal guys and scotch.
	I like that.
	That's a good one.
	You guys have changed my life and how I view the world, and I thank you for that, Heather.
	KK6. Ku Klux 6.
	No!
	Kilo Kilo 6, Charlie Lima Kilo.
	That's how we do it on this show.
	73's to you.
	We don't do the old guy stuff.
	Jonathan Rose, Netanya someplace or other.
	220, Al Habakur.
	Hebrew for in the morning.
	Oh, we need that on our list.
	I sold some crap on eBay in order to donate.
	I would have donated sooner, but the bastards at PayPal kept your money for three weeks before letting you use it.
	What?
	I think he's in Israel.
	Al-Haboker.
	Netanyahu, I think maybe in Israel.
	I'm in Israel.
	Al-Haboker.
	Boker, good.
	Good.
	And Alexander Basketball Academy, finally, the LLC out there in Mount Airy, Maryland, $200.
	And the Basketball Academy says it is awesome.
	That's right.
	And I do want to point out...
	There are donors for show 507.
	508 is coming up this Sunday.
	I want to encourage people to continue with their support by going to dvorak.org slash nachaneldvorak.com slash nanoagendanation.com and channel...
	I'm sorry, not channel Dvorak.
	I did that one, but noagendashow.com and click on the donate button.
	There's also the donation page that's been edited a little bit, so you might want to check it out.
	I'd also like to point out that I forwarded to you the exact email from our night paladin, which included the pictures of the deliciously bicurious Mrs.
	Reverend.
	Yeah, I get those pictures.
	And what'd you think?
	She's gorgeous.
	Yeah!
	Hell yeah!
	Dvorak.org slash N-A.
	Hey!
	Hey!
	Go out!
	Hit someone in the mouth!
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Yes!
	Real!
	What?
	Order!
	Holy shit, isn't it?
	Shut up!
	Shut up, play!
	And I also want to thank Martin J.J. for the fabulous artwork he provided for us on episode 506.
	Noagendaartgenerator.com is where you can submit your artwork and where you can see all of the art that has ever been produced for the No Agenda show.
	Sometimes also known as...
	The best podcast in the universe!
	That is a fact.
	Fact.
	Fact.
	Let's see.
	There are a couple of things, actually.
	You want to take a little humor break?
	Yeah, sure.
	What you got, big boy?
	So this guy's a new anchor.
	In West Virginia, you're old stomping grounds.
	I don't know if you got to see this or not.
	But apparently, I think the guy has...
	Tourette's.
	That would be my guess.
	Oh, well, I'm an expert at this.
	Oh, this was all over the news.
	This is the guy who swore on the...
	I want to play it.
	It's very funny.
	It's like everyone saw it.
	Play it.
	Dreams in Motion organization has a fun time for the disabled.
	A deadly avalanche kills five in Colorado.
	You're watching the evening Sunday on NBC North Dakota News, your news leader in high definition.
	Gay fucking shit.
	Good evening, I'm Van Chu.
	You may have seen our newest one, AJ, on NBC North Dakota News, and he'll be joining the Weekend News team as my co-anchor.
	Tell us a little bit about yourself, AJ. Thanks, Van.
	I'm very excited.
	I graduated from West Virginia University, and I'm used to being from the East Coast.
	Okay, well, welcome aboard, AJ. Yeah, you know, this was a promotion and a very sad promotion at that.
	This guy has now been on the Today Show.
	He's going to be on Letterman.
	He's all over the place.
	This is just, you know, it's like...
	Yeah, this is not humorous because it wasn't funny the first thousand times I saw it.
	However...
	I do have a...
	I have...
	Well, here we go.
	Of course, we all saw this happen.
	It was a really bizarre turn of events today, starting at about 1.07 p.m.
	Here's the tweet that the AP account put out at that minute.
	It said, That was a fake report as a result of a hack attack against the AP Twitter account.
	But it set off this reaction in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, as you see from the chart, a huge spike down on that news, down about 143 points at the bottom, and then bouncing right back up.
	All of that happening within the space of about three minutes.
	And by sheer coincidence, the White House briefing was set to start.
	And by tradition, the AP reporter gets the first question from the White House.
	Okay.
	Now, I heard you on that other little podcast you've got, This Week in Money, and This Week in Stocks or whatever.
	And so what you two guys were saying is, oh, it's all automatic trading, and you had this theory that the computers are scanning, and then, oh, we get...
	No, no, it wasn't my theory.
	Horowitz was talking about it.
	Don't make me play...
	Any clips from that show because...
	You can play the clips if you want, but I never heard this before.
	This incident, by the way, was seven minutes.
	So, let me say, I believe one of two things was happening here.
	One, coordinated, complete coordinated effort.
	And someone made $100 million.
	Real quick, real easy.
	I do not believe for a second that computers are scanning AP tweets...
	And if it says, bomb, White House, Obama injured, then there's a sell order on everything.
	And if that's true, then I'd love to see what was sold, what stocks made the Dow tank.
	Was it just Dow?
	Was it just futures and Dow?
	Or was it the actual underlying securities?
	No, the underlying stocks are what make the most Dow.
	Okay, so I'd like to see what they were and what was sold off and who did the selling in our incredibly transparent market.
	I think that someone just made a bundle of cash coordinated effort and not a single person even thinks to consider that that could be true.
	No, it's being looked into as we speak.
	Okay, not by this week in stocks.
	No, by the SEC. But more importantly, this was, of course, clearly a movie promotion.
	If you are just tuning in, we are going to breaking news out of Washington.
	Again, this is a development story.
	There has been an explosion.
	Absolutely shocking.
	Official searching for answers as to who, what, or why did...
	We are also getting unconfirmed reports of explosions.
	This is a diversion.
	So this, of course, is White House Down, the big movie.
	The previous one was promoted through North Korea, which, by the way, is all over.
	No problem.
	North Korea, back to the way they were.
	Everything's cool.
	No missiles, no threat, no worries, no missiles.
	And no discussion whatsoever.
	None whatsoever.
	Now it's White House Down, which is a big one because it's got some really, really big stars in this.
	And it is about the White House being bombed.
	So all we need next is, I think the next ploy will be Air Force One being shot at.
	That will be the next little bit there.
	Is that in the movie?
	It's in the trailer, yeah.
	And of course there's the third theory that analysts...
	So if the computers were programmed this way to think that Joe Biden would be our acting president, yeah, that would crash the market.
	I think that is very possible.
	But no one really thought of that either.
	No, instead, we discovered the ricin guy really was just an Elvis impersonator.
	Well, here's my favorite thing about the Rice story.
	Let me play the clip first.
	Because it's also a movie.
	It's also a promotion.
	Years ago, Paul Kevin Curtis stood accused of sending poison letters to President Obama and U.S. Senator Roger Wicker.
	But this morning, the Elvis impersonator from Mississippi is a free man.
	I would like to move on with my life and...
	Signed out what normal is again.
	Curtis was released after investigators said searches of his home and car turned up no traces of ricin or the ingredients needed to make it.
	When you've been charged with something, you've never heard of ricin or whatever.
	I thought they said rice, so I said I don't even eat rice.
	I think this also was a promotion.
	And what was this before?
	Oh, uh, well, the very day after the arrest for Ryzen...
	This is the end, my friend.
	It's a rollercoaster ride to hell.
	We are here shooting, sadly, the final season.
	That's right.
	We're shooting a pretty wild scene between him and I. Do you know what it is yet?
	No.
	We're gonna love it.
	As you can see, we're in the White House.
	Not the White House, but a White House.
	And action!
	Breaking Bad, the season finale is going to be so incredible.
	And I even called it.
	I said, why Ricin?
	Is it because Breaking Bad is like all of a sudden, everyone's heard of Ricin because it was a major storyline?
	And here it is.
	Yes, new season.
	The final, final, final season of Breaking Bad, the day after the Ricin guys arrested.
	And no one even thinks about ricin.
	Well, no one would have thought about that connection.
	Well, I find the most interesting thing...
	Was if you go back and revisit the Diane Sawyer piece, because I'm assuming this guy wasn't in on the gag, or as it were, he wasn't in on the conspiracy.
	No.
	He was just some dumb schmuck that got busted, and then they got to make fun of him.
	Well, it's cool when there's Elvis involved.
	So play the Rice and Bomber irony with Sawyer.
	A man accused of sending those letters laced with poison to the president and a senator was in court today.
	And tonight, strange new details emerging.
	He is said to be an Elvis impersonator, obsessed with conspiracy theories.
	Oh!
	I cracked up.
	Radicalized.
	Now what's he going to be like?
	He should be listening to our show.
	Yeah, really.
	He should be front and center.
	He should be our mascot.
	He could do some jingles for us with some...
	I guess he's on all the news channels.
	And I see him.
	I'm going to do Randy Travis, which is basically him doing Elvis with the Randy Travis lyrics.
	I'm going to do Bon Jovi, which is basically him doing Bon Jovi sounding like Elvis.
	Yeah, he's an Elvis guy.
	It's funny.
	The guy's very funny.
	I like him a lot.
	Sorry, dude.
	Sorry that had to happen to you.
	And by the way, I think there's another element to this that we're missing, which is that the prelude to this whole thing was the guys writing nasty notes to Congress.
	Yeah.
	He's telling people to stop writing nasty notes to your senators, your corrupt Congress.
	Yeah.
	And also he was signing them as, you know, I'm, what's his name, Casey Curtis, and I approve this message.
	That was his handle.
	Yeah.
	I approve this mess.
	I'm like, okay, dude.
	And by the way, the White House Down movie, so they've taken a Lincoln quote, and this is kind of the whole premise of the movie, at least of the trailer.
	And the quote is, America will never be destroyed from the outside if we falter and lose our...
	Actually, I should present it the way...
	They don't actually read that.
	That first part is not on the trailer.
	It's this.
	If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
	That's a really weird quote.
	That is a weird quote.
	Which kind of falls into the whole radicalization and we're going to destroy our own country.
	And I looked it up and I presume that it's true that Lincoln said America will never be destroyed from the outside.
	If we falter and lose our freedoms it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
	I guess that's his quote.
	Well, he must have been referring to the breakup of the war between the states rather than any sort of thing we're dealing with today.
	Yeah, not terror.
	No, of course not.
	Of course not.
	But I do have some proof that we're in big trouble.
	I got an email from the Shills' wife.
	Dee.
	Yeah?
	Yeah, Dee.
	I don't think she's ever sent me an email.
	Okay.
	Have you ever received an email from her?
	Yeah.
	Like a nice one?
	Just something like, what is it, Eric?
	You should get something to get Eric for his birthday or something.
	Oh, okay.
	And I said, can I read this on the air?
	She said, yeah, you should definitely do this.
	In talking to my mother the other day, she related to me what my 16-year-old niece is learning in public high school.
	My niece said, quote, we're learning about birth defects in science.
	My mother asked, you mean like...
	It's easy for you to say.
	Yeah, thalidomide and such?
	What's thalidomide?
	Thalidomide birth defects.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, my mother asked, you mean like thalidomide and such?
	My niece had never heard of that in her science class, which was learning about birth defects.
	So my mother explained.
	Then my niece went on to describe what she is learning in public high school science class.
	Quote, we're learning how ADHD is a birth defect and how to get disability benefits because of it.
	Can you believe that?
	Yeah, I can.
	Of course I can believe it.
	So in science class, they're teaching how attention deficit hyperactivity disorder is a birth defect and how you can get disability benefits because of it.
	And Adderall, by the way, which is one of the things that they prescribe for that.
	We're doomed.
	They've finally given the kids practical information.
	We're doomed.
	We're really doomed.
	I'd like to hear from some more educators.
	I'm sure we have some science educators around.
	If we solicited all the kids out there that listen to the show, the kids by that, I mean anyone under 18 that may still be in high school, to just give us some anecdotes of some of the idiocies that they're given, we'd do another show.
	We'd do a Tuesday show.
	Okay.
	Well, start sending it in, fellows.
	And by the way, I still need a sling box someplace in Europe.
	Where?
	Anywhere.
	I just need to get on the Europe broadcast.
	I thought you had one or two.
	No, but Mr.
	Oil's got a sling box in London, but it doesn't work on any of the known software that I can get hold of.
	It says it doesn't.
	He says he can get it, but he's running some really old code, I'm sure of it, because he's got the original sling box and they don't support it anymore.
	I'm going to send them a slingbox, I guess.
	What is this Fido Alliance?
	Have you heard of this?
	No.
	Yeah, so I was watching Bloomberg, and the guy...
	Actually, I can play the clip that...
	I'll play the clip in a second.
	So the CEO of PayPal was on, and I thought it was interesting because he was talking about Bitcoins.
	Here's a 30-second clip, but that's not really what I wanted to ask you about.
	Left field question.
	Sure.
	Bitcoin.
	Virtual currencies.
	What do you make of that?
	So, I've been spending a lot of time looking at it.
	And it's truly fascinating, actually, the way that the currency has been designed and the way that inflation is built in to pay for miners and all that is It's truly fascinating.
	And I think, you know, for us at PayPal, it's just a question of whether Bitcoin will make its way to PayPal as a funding instrument or not.
	And, you know, we're kind of thinking about it.
	I guess, yeah, like the rest of us.
	Yeah, like the rest of us, exactly.
	Not here, by the way.
	So he talks about this FIDO thing.
	And I'm like, what is FIDO? And he's all hyped up about, you know, this is what we're doing.
	It's the future.
	Forget the password, John.
	Forget the password is the FIDO moniker, which you can find at FIDOalliance.org.
	And this does not sound like a good thing.
	I'm sorry, forget the passwords is their slogan.
	The Fido Alliance founders is Lenovo, knock-knock, PayPal, Validity, Infinion, Agnidio, whatever, but Google's on board.
	So they want to do biometric authentication, which I don't think is a very good thing.
	Well, you know, first of all, This was attempted, I believe, I'm trying to think of the year when it was really popular.
	It was probably in the late 90s.
	And in fact, I still have a laptop that has a little thing on the bottom.
	Yes, I have one of those somewhere too that has a little, you roll your finger over it.
	Yeah, right.
	And this became a huge, I think it was still during the Comdex era.
	It was a huge, oh, everybody's going to do this.
	And they had, biometrics was everywhere.
	And if you went to the show, it was like you couldn't turn a corner and it wasn't biometrics.
	You went to Interop, biometrics.
	And this lasted for about two and a half years.
	And it never caught on.
	And this is just, it seems to me to be another attempt at it.
	And it just doesn't catch on.
	And there's a couple of reasons.
	One, it doesn't work that well.
	Two, you have a situation.
	I think this is the big one.
	You have a situation.
	You're on your notebook or you give your notebook to your wife and she tries to boot you.
	Hey, honey, I'm here in Boston.
	I can't boot you.
	What's the password so I can get on your notebook?
	Yeah.
	Oh, you're going to have to chop my finger off.
	Pull my finger, bitch!
	So it's like...
	It's impractical.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but I have a feeling the government is going to start pushing this.
	It's not going to help.
	Okay.
	Well, Google has joined...
	I don't know where.
	Right.
	But Google has joined the...
	According to the MIT Technology Review, Google has joined the initiative, the alliance...
	They can all join in.
	People are going to have this problem with, okay, so I'm on the road now and I forgot something.
	It's on my computer.
	So, hey, JC, can you go up to my office and then boot the machine and then get this, you know, again, no.
	He can't get on under any circumstances, even though he's in the family.
	I mean, the whole thing is bad.
	All right, so since we're in the...
	So what's wrong with a password?
	Oh, somebody's going to hack my Google Plus account.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Well, no, of course we're talking about cyber attacks on critical infrastructure, like your porn account.
	I mean, you won't talk a problem with that.
	So let me ask you a question.
	Currently in California, what is the price of regular automobile petrol?
	I use premium.
	I don't pay much attention.
	Premium is fine too.
	It doesn't matter.
	Premium is good too.
	It varies right now from $3.99 to $4.15.
	How much is diesel?
	Diesel is always a little higher.
	Why?
	Because they reformulated it about, I don't know, five or six years ago to this low sulfur diesel.
	It's very expensive to manufacture.
	Oh, it's because the manufacturing is more expensive?
	So then what are they doing in Europe?
	I don't think they require that same diesel fuel we require.
	We went to a new diesel a little while ago called Low Sulfur.
	So wait a minute.
	Well, hold on a second.
	It turns out to be really expensive to make.
	But is that just in California or all of America?
	I think the whole country.
	So Europe is not green?
	Because in Europe, a liter of, or in the Netherlands, I should say, a liter of Euro 95 was going for 1.786 euro, while diesel was going for 1.448 euro.
	Well, there's a couple of possibilities.
	I don't know.
	Okay, well then onward.
	If you don't know...
	One, they may, because they like using diesel cars and they love diesel in Europe, they may tax it differently.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I would doubt, seriously, if they're not using the same diesel we're using nowadays, because otherwise it'd be embarrassing.
	Like in America, it'd be greener than me.
	Well, that's why I'm asking.
	I know that we're not allowed to have...
	I mean, in California, you can't even buy a new diesel car, can you?
	Not for a while, though.
	You couldn't even buy a diesel car in California.
	Well, that was because, again, there's a pollution thing.
	People don't maintain them.
	They couldn't pass the smog requirements.
	There's a lot of...
	Right, right.
	The smog requirement.
	However, the diesel car gets like 70 miles to the gallon.
	No, the diesel car gets...
	There's more energy in diesel than there is in gasoline, but it's only...
	No, hold on.
	I think there's the Volkswagen, Volkswagen mile per gallon Europe.
	Hold on a second.
	I'm telling you, it gets like 70 miles to the gallon.
	No.
	Okay, hold on.
	No?
	The TDI? Here, Volkswagen to launch 68.9 mile per gallon Passat Blue Motion in Europe.
	That's pretty much almost 70 miles per gallon.
	But you cannot buy that car in the United States.
	I'm sorry, that's 57.4 US gallons.
	Okay, that's...
	Wow, what is this?
	Where are they at different gallons now?
	It literally...
	This is very funny.
	Apparently, yeah.
	There's the Averdupois versus the Continental Gallon.
	Okay, but 57.4 miles per gallon US is pretty amazing.
	And it's a turbo diesel, but you cannot buy that car in America.
	No, we have to have batteries.
	All right, well, it's definitely not 70, but it's a lot.
	And I doubt it.
	Okay.
	They've been lying about, all the car companies seem to be getting a pass on, they've set up a new, the way it was told to me, the EPA has set up these new tests.
	For mile per gallon approval, so you can put it on the car that you get 47.
	Oh, they changed the test.
	Okay, I get it.
	Sure.
	And the test is really a rigid, kind of crazy test that doesn't reflect anything in real life.
	And all of these mileages are at least 10 over.
	I'm looking at the chat room and, okay, Mr.
	Oil says it's all about tax and import duty and export duty.
	Okay.
	Sure, fine.
	But I think we're getting screwed.
	It seems to me if you can get almost 60 miles to the gallon in a turbo diesel, which you cannot buy, it is my understanding that they even make some of these cars in the United States, but don't put the engine in.
	Ship it off to Europe and then put the engine in.
	I mean, it's crazy.
	And apparently it's because the EPA has some way of testing and that there's like 10% more emissions coming out of the turbo diesel, but of course you get twice the mileage out of it, so you're actually polluting less.
	And it seems like it's efficient.
	I love diesels.
	You can't buy a diesel in Texas.
	It's very hard.
	They're hard to find.
	There he goes in his diesel.
	Are you using biodiesel in that thing, chump?
	That's what I like about it.
	You can pee in a tank.
	Yeah, you smell like a french fry when you go and buy.
	You can urinate in the tank and the thing will work.
	It's kind of expensive for a 100 horsepower clunker.
	But okay.
	104.
	104.
	What do you think the Dodge Ram has left in it?
	It's not like 60 horsepower.
	There ain't much left in that thing.
	You hit the accelerator, it's like...
	It is tuned up.
	There's just air popping out of every nook and cranny of that thing.
	Hey, Drone Nation time, everybody.
	Hold on a second.
	We should probably play a little drone jingle.
	Haven't done that in a while.
	So, here we go.
	The drone again.
	Tricky.
	Very fun, as always.
	I'm watching a lot of C-SPAN. They usually carry the press conferences live when it comes to the State Department.
	John F. Carey, which is the way he signs his name, people.
	He's such an egotistical nutjob.
	John F. Carey.
	Just so you think, I'm like Camelot with my big water hood.
	But in this case, it's Spokes Hall Carney.
	and a very interesting question from a foreign reporter regarding terror and drones yes ma'am I send my deepest condolence to the victims and families in Boston.
	President Obama said that what happened in Boston was an act of terrorism.
	I would like to ask, do you consider the U.S. bombing on civilians in Afghanistan earlier this month that left 11 children and a woman killed a form of terrorism?
	Why or why not?
	So let me get this straight.
	So you called these two yahoos...
	What?
	We're going to get more of this.
	Oh, yeah.
	So that's terror, but does he also consider it terror when a drone strike kills 12 women and children?
	How would you answer it, John, if you were in the PR business?
	Yep.
	Well, I would have to know more about the incident.
	Yeah, I think you should go to the Department of Defense, probably.
	Department of Defense.
	Oh, breaking news.
	Stop breaking news.
	Breaking news.
	Oh, breaking news.
	Oh, let's plug it in.
	Breaking news.
	Hold on.
	I'm plugging it.
	Plug it in.
	Tax.
	What are you plugging in?
	Bombers plan to attack New York!
	Oh, God.
	Bloomberg's got to get on the news again.
	Oh, yeah.
	Such as packages left unintended on the streets.
	Oh, this is funny.
	Let's listen.
	The investments that we've made in counterterrorism operations, technology, and intelligence help reduce the possibility of a successful terrorist strike.
	But they certainly do not eliminate it.
	Nothing can do that.
	Oh, what should we do?
	We don't know if they would have been able to stop the terrorists had they arrived here from Boston.
	We're just thankful that we didn't have to find out that answer.
	Oh, please.
	You dickhead.
	Hang him.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, hang him.
	I'm plugging.
	There we go.
	I get some kind of hum.
	I have to unplug the whole thing.
	Anyway, so back to drones.
	It's very interesting what his answer is, because he takes it very seriously.
	Would have answers to your questions on this matter.
	We have more than 60,000 U.S. troops involved in a war in Afghanistan.
	Hey, hey, hey!
	There's a war in Afghanistan!
	Did you know that?
	Did we declare that war?
	I don't remember them declaring the war.
	I didn't know they declared any wars.
	Well, let's see.
	It began when the United States was attacked in an attack that was organized on the soil of Afghanistan by al-Qaeda, by Osama bin Laden and others, and 3,000 people were killed in that attack.
	Oh, okay.
	Ten years ago.
	And it has been the President's objective.
	Once he took office, to make clear what our goals are in Afghanistan, and that is to disrupt, dismantle, and ultimately defeat al-Qaeda.
	Oh, okay.
	It's a war on al-Qaeda, I got it.
	And with that as our objective, to provide enough...
	Assistance to Afghan National Security Forces and the Afghan government to allow them to take over security for themselves.
	And that process is underway, and the United States has withdrawn a substantial number of troops, and we are in the process of drawing down further as we hand over security lead.
	Yeah, but is it terror when you kill women and children with a drone?
	Two Afghan forces.
	And it is certainly the case, but I refer you to the Defense Department for details, that we take great care in the prosecution of this.
	Oh, the prosecution.
	You see, they're prosecutors now.
	Of this war.
	Oh, the prosecution of this war.
	And...
	We are very mindful of what our objective is.
	He's very good.
	But then my favorite, when Rand Paul did his whole filibuster of the canon American citizen be droned while having coffee at a cafe, you recall this 13-hour ordeal?
	Yeah, it did so much.
	Now, I think I said that he's not your friend, and that he's a distraction, and he's no better than any of these other douchebags.
	And I think maybe I was right.
	I'm thinking...
	What else can these guys see?
	I didn't even know they had that ability with a helicopter to do that, but then again, I'm not Warner Von Braun here.
	I'm just in anger, but I'm telling you, didn't they have the ability to look at me in my home, or you in your home, or anyone in their home?
	Now, this was to a desired end, racked down a bad guy.
	But here's the distinction, Neil.
	I've never argued against any technology being used when you have an imminent threat, an act of crime going on.
	If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and $50 in cash, I don't care if a drone kills him or a policeman kills him.
	Oh, okay.
	So if you rob a 7-Eleven, who gives a crap who kills you or how you're killed?
	As long as you're killed.
	Rand Paul, shame on you.
	This is a senator.
	So you have $50 in one hand, and you're coming out of a convenience.
	$50!
	$50!
	This is the value of life that Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky puts on life.
	$50, and he doesn't care if a policeman kills you or a drone kills you.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's all good.
	As long as you get killed.
	As long as you get killed.
	Fuck you!
	So I have a Rand Paul clip.
	So just to show kind of how robotic he is, he has somebody come up, some government, I think she's one of the EPA or something.
	He asks her a question to get her to say that she believes in pro-choice because the whole administration is for pro-choice for babies.
	But she doesn't answer the question quite right.
	She says, yeah, he's going to go on a rant.
	But she screws with him by saying, yeah, she's for pro-choice of light bulbs.
	I was wondering if you're pro-choice.
	I'm pro-choice of bulbs.
	Actually, that's the point.
	And the point is that most members of your administration probably would be frank and characterize themselves and up front characterize themselves as being pro-choice for abortion, but you're really anti-choice on every other consumer item that you've listed here, including light bulbs, Refrigerators, toilets, you name it.
	You can't go around your house without being told what to buy.
	You restrict my purchases.
	You don't care about my choices.
	You don't care about the consumer, frankly.
	You raise the cost of all the items with all your rules, all your notions that you know what's best for me.
	Frankly, my toilets don't work in my house.
	Dude, you want to kill me for $50?
	Shut up!
	So there's two things here.
	One, she says she's pro bulbs and he says she's not.
	And he goes on this.
	He didn't hear a word she said.
	No, he doesn't care.
	He doesn't care.
	And then he makes the comment that none of his toilets work.
	That's bull crap.
	Yeah, now this guy is no good.
	I'm sorry.
	This is no good.
	When you start talking like this, you know, the guy's no good.
	I'm sorry.
	He's just no good.
	I don't care what you say.
	Alright, here we go.
	Here's an Ask John segment prepared by Miss Mickey this morning.
	Are you ready?
	Tell me, John C. Dvorak, what this is.
	Mmm.
	Oh my god.
	Oh.
	This is truly, truly an outstanding product.
	It's an outstanding what?
	Product.
	Mmm.
	Product.
	Oh.
	You know what she made for me?
	Pancake.
	Yes, but this is chocolate-covered bacon.
	Ah, you're making me sick.
	I have never tried it until this very moment.
	And it is really, really good.
	Well, you better have a speed dial for the local hospital.
	Why?
	It's just chocolate and bacon.
	Let me try this piece.
	I can't imagine a worse combination for anything.
	It's not on a stick.
	But it's kind of interesting.
	I think if she used sweeter chocolate, it might have been better.
	But it's very good.
	Is it dark chocolate or milk?
	71% dark.
	I think you should use milk chocolate.
	I think so too.
	But the combination, I really, really like it.
	You should try it.
	Oh yeah.
	So, uh, maybe you'll help me gain some weight.
	Yeah, there you go.
	I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda.
	A number of people came in to help us out for show 507.
	Scott Spencer, Black Knight Sir Scott in Dawsonville, Georgia.
	He's working on his Northern Knighthood.
	And he says $73.
	$124.07.
	Curiously...
	Hold on a second.
	If he's double Black Knight, doesn't that make him a baronet?
	He wants to be.
	He hasn't said anything.
	You have to put into the peerage officer if you want to change your title.
	So that's how it works here.
	Oh, I came up with a solution for the sheriff.
	Oh, okay, good.
	You're a baron, which means you rule this area.
	You can assign anything you want to anybody.
	Oh, okay.
	So you can assign yourself the sheriff moniker.
	So you can deputize people?
	You can have like little minions?
	You're the Baron.
	You can do what you want.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, this is good.
	So it's okay to be the sheriff.
	You want to call yourself the sheriff.
	Baron Sam Leung, by the way, in Toronto, Ontario, came in with the exact same amount.
	12407.
	What's that all about?
	Let me think.
	124.
	Isn't it the most uninteresting number in the universe?
	It must be.
	Yeah.
	Very uninteresting to look at it.
	Gary Yadowitz in Brooklyn, 12345.
	He says the show's been great lately.
	Thank you.
	Sir Jason Stevens in Lost Wages, Nevada, 111.
	Nate Wilson in Charleston, South Carolina, $100.
	And by the way, he's the guy with the Airbnb recommendation who was having some issues.
	And so I told him, go Airbnb.
	He says he had to place a book within 48 hours.
	He donated $100.
	We're doing Airbnb for our trip to Europe, except for when we're staying with my gangster friend in the south of France.
	Oh, okay.
	But yeah, Airbnb kicks ass.
	In Mooresville, Indiana, $100.
	Hutch, he's also...
	Kilo 9, Kilo Juliet, November.
	73s.
	Okay, stop for one second.
	So we have now hijacked the 33 frequencies on both 20 meters and 40 meters.
	So even if you Google 14.033 CW, you basically get everything that I've tweeted.
	And so now I just leave it on, you know, I go back and forth between both bands, the 14.033 and 7.033, and it's really cool when you're just sitting there, you're listening to noise, and all of a sudden you hear beep-beep-beep-beep-beep, which is ITM in Morse code.
	In the morning in Morse code.
	This is what it sounds like here.
	A little slower.
	That's a little bit too fast.
	I can't do it that fast.
	But then, you know, it's like the guys from West Virginia.
	It's like all over.
	And then, you know, we'll be Morse coding back and forth.
	And all of a sudden you hear, like there's another ITM coming in.
	I'm telling you, all the cool kids are doing this.
	Yeah, I think you're right.
	I think we're on to something.
	Okay.
	Green Thumb Palms, LLC, Fort Collins, Colorado, Niner, Niner, Niner.
	Oh, shoot, I'm sorry.
	Yeah, I wasn't ready for the Niner.
	And he wants a Session Wu, if you can give him one.
	Yeah, we can give him, where's the, where's the Session Wu?
	Session Wu!
	And I'd like to give him a Niner, Niner, Niner, Niner.
	Nine, nine, nine!
	There you go.
	Mr.
	Kelly Spongberg in Rocky Mountain, Alberta.
	7777.
	We've got a birthday lined up for the later call.
	Frank Pugh in Tallahassee, Florida.
	75 bucks.
	Mr.
	Peabody in Natchitoches.
	Which is Nacotish.
	The Nacotish.
	Nacotish.
	Which doesn't look like it, but it's what it's pronounced.
	Nacotish.
	And the way I pronounce it is the Nacotish, which is Texas.
	Nacotish.
	And he says 7373.
	73-73 back.
	Gotcha.
	Yeah, 73-73.
	That's a good one for all you hams out there.
	Richard Garrett, Thunder Bay.
	69!
	69!
	Ontario.
	And, of course, we tried to get rid of this, but now they came in strong this week.
	Oh, really?
	Okay.
	Richard Garrett, um...
	To keep the streak alive, he says, Daniel Rudin, Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
	He says, didn't the streak end like a year ago?
	No.
	No, almost.
	If it ended, we would have ended it.
	It almost did.
	What happened was there was a debate, if you remember this.
	Oh, they mean the big Swazilov debate of 2012.
	Yes.
	Yes, I shall have some more bacon while you explain.
	Somebody came in with a check.
	No, no, no.
	It was an After Midnight 6969 donation that came in like one minute after and I incorporated it into the show to keep the streak going and then you bitched about it.
	Right.
	So I was...
	God, that bacon is good.
	Anyway.
	Miguel Gonzalez in London.
	Gonzalez is the way we pronounce that name.
	Goncalves.
	Goncalves.
	Uh...
	He says it was good to see us beginning to rehabilitate Cornel West and Slavoj Zizek.
	Anyway, Mark Cable.
	Can I play Cornel if you play Slavoj?
	I don't have Slavoj stuff.
	Okay.
	Oh, you mean as the voice?
	Whatever.
	Oh, yeah.
	Can you do Cornel?
	I don't know if anyone can do that.
	No, I just want his hair.
	Oh, God.
	I think you've got his hair.
	I think the brother, Brother Obama, is a war criminal.
	I can barely talk, so I'm not saying anything.
	And I think that he should be ashamed.
	Okay, Cable, Roberts Bridge, East Sussex, 69-69.
	J. Pluggers.
	It's probably Pluggers, but there's only one G, so I'm not sure.
	Pluggers.
	I would say Pluggers.
	Helmond.
	Helmond, yeah.
	I got into a bar fight.
	Alexander Baseball Academy again.
	Hey, I got into a bar fight once in Helmond.
	You did?
	Yeah.
	You know what?
	Yeah, a bar fight.
	People, like, ganged up on me and jumped me.
	It's near Eindhoven.
	There's real criminals there.
	Huh.
	The Alexander Baseball Academy says he donated twice, which puts him high enough if we can mention this.
	For some reason, PayPal wouldn't let him get his comment.
	And remember a few episodes ago, you talked about Dan Aykroyd being a national security expert and possibly part of the CIA entertainment contingent.
	Well, last night, I saw a very old episode of Family Guy where Dan Aykroyd was a CIA agent in charge of finding Russian sleeper cells.
	Huh.
	He thought it was interesting.
	Hmm.
	No one else picked up on that.
	He wants to give Kristen another D-bag call out.
	Oh, okay.
	We can do that.
	Douchebag!
	It's not to call out something.
	Whatever.
	These D-bag calls can be rescinded.
	Eric Olson in Water Valley, Mississippi.
	Mahmoud Hamad in Sumner, Washington.
	Keeping the glorious streak alive, he says.
	Glorious.
	It's glorious.
	It's glorious, the streak.
	Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night and I think, oh, it's so glorious.
	Christopher Gray, Grand Blanc, Michigan.
	Kevin Webb, Sir Kevin Webb, to you in Carrollton, Texas, just down the street.
	We'll figure out what to do.
	Most of the people who got their rings, they don't understand what happened to his.
	Riley Fant in Edmond, Oklahoma.
	Matthew...
	He also wants to call out his brother.
	He's a great guy.
	Matthew Chamberlain in Goodlettsville, Tennessee, who claims that this is the most valuable show he's ever listened to, and he wants us to give us some karma, and that closes out the segment.
	Oh, okay.
	So we'll do a karma...
	You've got karma.
	69!
	69, dude!
	Helen Barber in Willington, Perth, actually.
	She's in Perth, Western Australia.
	Tice Browers.
	You see what Tice did as his message?
	Yeah, Christina overbooking.
	Yeah.
	So let me just say one thing.
	So ING Bank, I swear to God, ING sent an email to my daughter's girlfriend saying, we never received the money.
	And Chase called me back and said, you know, ING rejected the money.
	Yeah?
	Didn't you tell us this before?
	Yeah, but now they're both blaming each other.
	Oh, I see.
	They're both pointing the finger.
	So ING says, we didn't get any money.
	And Chase says, we gave them money, but they didn't want it.
	Yeah, Chase rejected it on terrorism grounds.
	That's funny, Ty, so I like that.
	Thank you very much.
	What does it mean?
	It means Christina transfer.
	Remember?
	That was the whole thing that they were like, what does that word mean?
	You're transferring a terrorist.
	Terrorist transfer.
	Bruce Hall, right.
	That's the right word.
	Oh, it's code.
	It's code for terrorism.
	Because it's the best podcast in the universe.
	Barclay wants to thank Mike Snyder.
	Barclay Hankel, Smithers, BC. Von Glitchka, Salem, Oregon, 55 bucks.
	Sir Jeffrey Gerlach over here in Alamo, 5150.
	Neil Emery in Weiser, Idaho.
	William Smock in San Diego, California, 50-50 just because.
	Jeremy Falk in Muna, Yucatan.
	And Michael Hassenkamp in Santa Clara down the road from me.
	Nick Barnes, North Canton, Ohio.
	Bradley Walker, Russ Goulding in Wheeling, Illinois.
	And we've got a lot of these 50s here today.
	Joaquin Bueno in Valencia.
	Keep an eye on Madrid tomorrow.
	There will be a demonstration at the gates of Congress and things might get nasty.
	Oh yeah, now that'll be all over our cable news.
	They're all over the Madrid situation.
	That's why I need a box in Europe with somebody.
	We won't hear this ever.
	No.
	Good old Monica Lansing in Drayton Valley, Alberta, 50 bucks.
	And Masi Stolowski.
	Stolowski.
	And Calgary.
	And Kyle Bauer, one of our buddies from Parts Unknown 50.
	That concludes, I'm sorry, our 507-1.
	You got Kyle?
	You got Kyle there?
	I'm sorry.
	You got Kyle?
	Kyle Bauer, yeah.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, thank you very much.
	Actually, go to Dvorak.org slash NA. Because our Sundays have been dreadful.
	Yeah.
	Why is that?
	I have my theories.
	I don't think people are listening to the Sunday show.
	Really?
	I think we're heading towards summer and people are thinking of going out on the weekends.
	The weather's nice.
	Oh, hold on a second then.
	Yeah, let me get my stick.
	Get your stick.
	Are you doing it?
	Yeah, you are.
	Screw you.
	No good weather.
	Rain.
	Rain everywhere.
	By the power of Greystoke, I give you rain.
	There you go.
	Good work, John.
	Good work.
	Mine is more effective than yours.
	Yours is running out of steam.
	No, mine has been doing great.
	These are only good for so many pulls, you know.
	That's what she said.
	Heyo!
	In the morning!
	Okay, a little off there.
	Thank you very much, everyone.
	Of course, our monthly subscribers and donors.
	You know who you are if you're a boner.
	Step up to the plate and at least hop on one of our smaller monthly amounts.
	Dvorak.org slash NA is where you can find all of the different ways you can support this program.
	Truly, it is the only way we can make it work.
	And if you like the Sunday show and you do listen, then support us for the upcoming podcast.
	Thanks, of course, to our executive producers, Sir Chris Jacob, who I guess now will become a baron, Michael O'Grady, who's about to be knighted, Random Hillbilly, and then our associate executive producers, Heather Aronson, Dame Heather Aronson, and Jonathan Rose, along with the Alexander Basketball Academy.
	Thank you all so much for your support of the best podcast in the universe.
	.org slash N-A And we say happy birthday to a couple of good friends of the program.
	Sir Kelly Spongberg congratulates his wife, Dame Andrea.
	She turns 30 and we would like to see pictures.
	Happy birthday, Dame Andrea.
	And our buddy, Sir 19-Inch Rack, Void Zero, Mark, celebrates his 29th birthday today.
	And he is celebrating in the data center.
	Working on ensuring you can receive the best podcast in the universe.
	Thank you very much on behalf of John, myself, and of course your colleagues, Mr.
	Oil, Sir Gitmo Slave, and Sheriff Gene, of course.
	The entire cast and characters here on the No Agenda Show!
	Okay, we've got a couple of titles to take care of.
	So first of all, we'd like to recognize the following changes.
	As Sir Chris Jacob, as Jacob, no S. God, I know how much he hates it.
	He's becoming a baron, so I'm going to make him the baron of the armory.
	If he wants to pick a physical location, he's more than welcome to get back to us.
	But you had already asked him, right, what he wanted?
	Yeah, I did.
	Okay.
	Good work.
	And Sir Geoffrey Gerlach also becomes a baron.
	And do we know his protectorate?
	No, not yet.
	Okay.
	And doing...
	Oh, well, okay.
	It's kind of good to know.
	People, if you're going to be a baron...
	Well, they didn't even say they wanted to be a baron.
	Well, you must have.
	Okay, well.
	I mean, it's on the list.
	I didn't make it up.
	Okay, well, he didn't say where he wants to be.
	You know, they don't have to.
	What's the rush?
	Because...
	Oh, God, I get it.
	Well, in some cases, there is a rush because it's going to be chewed up by somebody else.
	Exactly.
	You know, it's like other people are going to grab the land, you know.
	You don't want to have to get a subdivision, like a freaking lot if you're a baron.
	Anyway, let us...
	What are you...
	Did you even bring your sword to the program today?
	I got it right here.
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	And, you know, people have to realize that we asked for this sort of support so we don't have to pull the kind of crap that they did recently on ABC. What was that?
	Well, and I tried to track down how this happened.
	Oh, I see.
	I see.
	Okay, I didn't see.
	Okay, right?
	Yes?
	Yeah.
	And now, wait, wait.
	Let me just give you a little background.
	This is the Nightline show that...
	Which is a news program, correct?
	It's a news program.
	And it used to be, you know, a breaking news program.
	It used to be a good news program, but no.
	Here we have a puff piece, a seven to eight minute puff piece.
	I only have a couple of clips from it.
	On Taco Bell, as though this was news.
	Wait a minute.
	Do I play top news on ABC first, or what do I do?
	Play Taco Bell.
	One.
	Okay.
	Drive down any major thoroughfare in America and it won't be long before you spot a Taco Bell.
	The fast food mega-franchise known for its iconic talking chihuahua commercials and forays into dishes as daring as they are delectable.
	Whoa!
	Forays and dishes as delectable as they are de-lock-de-leck-a-lack-a-loo.
	In a country fueled by fast-food reimaginations of classic cuisine, ABC's John Schiffen gets a first-hand look at an American company causing quite a stir.
	They could be screaming for a boy band, but instead, they're screaming for, of all things, a taco.
	Wow!
	So is this like the upfront?
	Did Taco Bell promise a huge buy?
	I have a second clip.
	Hold on.
	I need to reframe this for my brain because there's smoke coming out of my ears.
	This is Nightline.
	This is a news program, and you're telling me that this is a segment that is about the fandom of Taco Bell the taco restaurant, which includes 30% other stuff.
	Right.
	Yeah, this is exactly what I'm saying.
	Now, I think it was the longest segment on the show, as a matter of fact.
	They may have opened the show with this, but here's the deal.
	Here's the way I perceive how this evolved.
	For one thing, there's a lot of Taco Bell material on ABC, if you do some research into their news site.
	And I think this has to do with a long-time deal that was done between Disney...
	At the parks and Taco Bell places.
	Right.
	So this particular thing, I believe, was a make-good for Taco Bell, a fluff piece.
	Did someone screw something up?
	Diane Sawyer did a piece.
	She just did a kind of mentioning that Taco Bell had a salmonella outbreak.
	Oh, no.
	Like a few weeks earlier.
	Oh, no.
	Do we have proof of this?
	Yeah, well, the proof is if you do a news search on the ABC News site, it's right there.
	Diane Sawyer, that news night, the salmonella outbreak from Taco Bell.
	So that's, I mean, it's not hard to find that.
	I don't have a clip.
	I can imagine the way the meetings went, though, and you can, too.
	Oh, yeah.
	Hey, you know, this was uncalled for.
	We've been doing business with you guys for this many years.
	You know, Disney, we got a special deal with Disney.
	We got our stores here and all over the place.
	We really found this was offensive.
	It wasn't even accurate.
	You didn't do a good job.
	It made us look bad.
	Hold on, hold on.
	We spent $20 million a year advertising on your network with this.
	Oh, no, there's more than that.
	I think it's more than $20 million.
	Well, yeah, it's probably...
	I mean, we could get those numbers, but whatever the case is, it's millions.
	And so, you know, what do they have?
	Look, we'll make it up to you guys.
	And it was mostly about how great the CEO is.
	Really?
	Well, gee, that's a giveaway.
	But the CEO's on there saying, yeah, we're a great company.
	And then they did this little part, which is on part two, where there were cameras and they sent a crew in the middle of nowhere to film this little bit so they could extol the great virtues of Taco Bell with some community out there.
	God knows where I play that part.
	The rollout of each new menu item now comes with a side of social media marketing.
	A side of social media marketing!
	Using sites like Facebook and Twitter to create a buzz.
	Okay, folks, here is a doozy.
	When the tiny town of Bethel, Alaska, was tricked into thinking Taco Bell would finally open up there.
	Just so the town wouldn't be disappointed, Taco Bell flew in a truck of tacos.
	Here, listen to Diane.
	...outbreak at a popular food chain, but we did not know about it.
	It first happened three months ago.
	The name of the restaurant chain was withheld.
	Today, we learned it was Taco Bell.
	So why was the information withheld?
	It is raising questions about transparency, your right to know, and government secrets.
	ABC's chief investigative correspondent, Brian Ross, has been looking into it for us.
	No, I'm telling you, there's something else going on here.
	This is the typical fight between the newsroom and the ad sales department.
	This to me sounds...
	Oh yeah, well this goes on constantly, but why do they knuckle under at Nightline?
	Well, duh.
	I mean, for the reasons you just stated.
	Hello?
	$20 million we spend on this freaking network.
	Do you know that David Letterman is ready to get on his knees and blow me for that kind of money?
	He wants to do the top 10 reasons for Taco Bell for five weeks straight.
	And I get this from Diane Effin-Sawyer, that drunk bitch?
	That's how the meeting went.
	That's the way the meetings go.
	That's how the meetings go.
	Yeah, and that's why the whole system's corrupt.
	And that's why we have to ask people to support the show directly.
	Exactly.
	Because we'd be susceptible to it just as anyone else is on any other of the commercial networks.
	And that includes the guys who sell seeds.
	Speaking of seeds...
	Wow, where was this?
	This was interesting.
	The UPOV... Which stands for...
	Hold on a second.
	You've got to take a look at this.
	These guys, they're basically taking...
	Monsanto is taking over the seed business in Africa.
	UPOV.INT. Here's the story.
	Africa, around 80% of seed comes from local and community-saved seed resources.
	The seed is adapted to local conditions.
	Of course, that's the way it used to work everywhere in the world.
	You have seed banks.
	Forms an integral part of community food security, agriculture, and integrity.
	This entire traditional system is now under threat.
	A broad front of commercial interests aided and abetted by the World Bank, the American Seed Association, and government agencies along with front groups, academics, and so-called philanthropists are endeavoring to alienate this crucial resource.
	Oh, I love this site.
	The International Union for the Protection of New Varieties of Plants.
	Let me give you their mission statement.
	New varieties, meaning genetically engineered dangerous plants.
	In other words, to provide and promote an effective system of plant variety protection with the aim of encouraging the development of new varieties of plants for the benefit of society.
	Hold on.
	We've got to do that differently.
	Hi.
	Welcome to UPOV. We're here to promote and provide an effective system of plant variety protection with the aim of encouraging the development of new varieties of plants, all for the benefit of society.
	Please resume your normal activity.
	Isn't this great?
	This is kind of interesting.
	This began some time ago.
	There's a PDF file here that says...
	Came into being with the adoption of the Internet.
	We should look into this.
	We have to do a little research.
	The adoption of the International Convention for the Protection of New Varieties of Plants by a diplomatic conference in Paris on December 2nd, 1961.
	Yeah, now this is all part of Agenda 21.
	This has been around for a long time.
	This is a point at which there was recognition of the rights of plant breeders on an international basis.
	Yeah.
	I have a right as a plant breeder to breed new varieties for society!
	Oh yeah, this has a lot of Agenda 21 written all over it.
	That's good stuff, isn't it?
	Yeah, this is a winner.
	Yeah, I love it.
	I thought it was pretty cool.
	All out of Switzerland, of course.
	Oh yeah.
	Well, this is all UN and it's nothing else new, really.
	Hey, did you catch the whole...
	The whole Al-Qaeda thing, Al-Qaeda from Canada?
	Oh, were they, the Canadians decided to get back in the news?
	Yeah, yeah.
	By arresting some guys out of the blue?
	Yeah, it was good.
	Yeah, it was good.
	And in the midst of this Boston story came another one late this afternoon, another terrorist plot, unrelated, troubling nonetheless.
	This one's been thwarted.
	It apparently targeted passenger trains, routes from the U.S. to Canada among the potential targets.
	NBC's Stephanie Gosk has been working this story all day.
	Stephanie, good evening.
	Hello.
	Good evening, Brian.
	Well, the two suspects are not Canadian citizens, but have been living in the country.
	They're accused of planning to derail a passenger train near Toronto with guidance and direction.
	Derail!
	Not blow up.
	No, derail.
	What are they, like put pennies on the track?
	From Al-Qaeda elements in Iran, NBC News has learned from both U.S. and Canadian authorities that trains originating in the U.S. were among those scouted as possible targets.
	The investigation called Operation Smooth has been ongoing for the last year.
	Operation Smooth, John.
	It's Operation Smooth.
	Only coming to light now.
	With help from the FBI and the U.S. Department for Homeland Security, Canadian authorities emphasized today that the plot was still in its planning stages, and the public was never in any imminent danger, but that these two suspects had both the capacity and the intent to follow through.
	Oh!
	How do they know that?
	Oh, how do they know that?
	Oh, because...
	Before it's a crime, it's pre-crime.
	Intent!
	It's a big tent.
	It's a yurt.
	Everything's about pre-crime nowadays.
	That's right.
	Oh, not just pre-crime.
	Oh, my goodness.
	I found a great...
	Remember we talked about this?
	Prediabetes.com.
	Yeah.
	I didn't even know there was a website for it.
	I didn't either.
	Because one of our doctors said, oh, this pre-diabetes thing, and there's a website.
	I think it's pre-diabetes.com.
	I think everybody's pre-diabetic.
	Of course you are.
	Yeah, pre-diabetescenters.com, but preventnow.com.
	I think that's the one that it is.
	Preventnow.com.
	Let's see what we can prevent.
	Oh, boy.
	An innovative 16-week program designed to help you lose weight and avoid diabetes.
	Well, yeah, you're going to avoid diabetes by killing yourself, I guess.
	Join a small hand-picked team of people just like you.
	Get one-on-one health coaching to guide you along your path.
	Don't get diabetes.
	That would suck.
	So, go back to this other clip.
	Okay, so, wait, no, I got a second clip.
	No, no, but give me the, what was the Operation Smooth again?
	Oh, they were tracking these guys, but they were tracking them.
	No, wait a minute.
	See, now I'm reading a Russian report, and it says, after the capture, they claimed they got their training from Al-Qaeda, the two men.
	Yes.
	They called the plot Operation Smooth.
	No, I heard it differently.
	No, that's what I heard too.
	I thought it was like the Canadian scheme was Operation Smooth.
	These guys, the Russian interpretation would know that the plot was called Operation Smooth.
	Now we have a discrepancy.
	Well, here's the Canadian news.
	We learned more today about the two men arrested by the RCMP in connection with an alleged terror plot against a Via train.
	And tonight, CBC News has also learned more about the overall investigation and the connection to Iran.
	And I have to say that a lot of the Canadian online media, certainly, but some other mainstream, are calling the RCMP out as incredible douchebags for this clear bullcrap story, timing it.
	But of course, we get, this flows over into the United States as, oh, the trains were coming to America.
	And you know what this is all leading to, don't you?
	Imagine boarding a train in the center of the city.
	No racing to an airport.
	Across the terminal.
	No delays.
	No sitting on the tarmac.
	No lost luggage.
	No taking off your shoes.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, sure.
	Well, we'll hold you to that.
	No weapons of war on the street.
	Shutting down Gitmo.
	Yeah, no weapons of war.
	Take that to the bank.
	Yeah, you can take that to the bank.
	That's true.
	You can take that to the bank.
	Then, of course, everybody was really, really, really hoping for airplane apocalypse!
	Traffic jams starting to build up at our airports.
	Flight delays just beginning to emerge today as those budget cuts in Washington begin to hit home.
	Now the American people as a whole just might take further notice because now the sequester is responsible for delaying airline flights across this country.
	Okay, so this was very funny because everyone sent out their top crews to go and find all the delays, but there really weren't other than weather delays.
	Here's ABC's report.
	ABC's Matt Gutman did some traveling himself to investigate, and he joins us now from Miami.
	So how did it go for you there, Matt?
	Hey, good morning, Robin.
	It didn't go that well.
	We spent 11...
	Yeah, it kind of sucked.
	You know, I couldn't really get the story you wanted me to get.
	...hours in airports, and didn't really find an airline apocalypse, but all those little delays either caused by a shortage of FAA air traffic controllers or by...
	So, you know, this is what happened.
	Like, okay, what are we doing for a Monday morning show?
	All right, it's time.
	We got the message in.
	We're ABC. So we got the message from the White House.
	It's time.
	We've got a meme.
	Let me see.
	What's the meme?
	Jane?
	What's the meme?
	Airpane will not go through...
	Airplane apocalypse is what the White House would like us to do.
	You, ABC's reporter dude, you go out there and get us an airline apocalypse story.
	The weather even started to snowball into delays of four and five hours.
	And he got weather delays.
	This morning, the sequester is walloping airports again.
	Walloping!
	So far, several hundred flights delayed, far less than the agency's prediction of 6,700 daily flight delays.
	But Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood warns ABC News we might yet see an airplane apocalypse.
	Airplane apocalypse!
	We'll be back next week with more airplane apocalypse.
	Fail.
	One of our producers mentioned that the majority of the security at the airports is actually funded by the airports, and it's also part of a tax.
	Well, this is what they're saying, that this is furloughs for the air traffic controllers.
	Oh, right, the air traffic controllers.
	Which, you know, I'm a pilot, and I have dealt with air traffic control.
	You have, at any given moment, you have one person on the tower...
	And it literally is one voice that you're hearing on the tower frequency.
	Now, you will have people at different points, at approaches, etc.
	But there's always one person.
	There's not like two people on the tower.
	You have one person on ground.
	But those are the two main frequencies.
	You've got approach.
	You've got the tower, the three main frequencies, and you've got ground.
	And ground literally makes sure that you're not crashing into each other.
	That's when you're coming in, but they do pass you off.
	Yep, from one to the other.
	No, I know, but then when you're gone, when you're on your way, you get these guys across.
	Yes, but it's not like they're unmanned, you see.
	So I don't understand...
	Hey, anybody around?
	So you're telling me that the furlough means that they just turn off the radio?
	Yeah.
	Uh-huh.
	No.
	That is bull crap.
	They turn it off, and you just have to ad lib.
	Just talk to each other.
	Peer-to-peer.
	Hey, United 843, are you behind me or in front of me?
	By the way, you laugh, but that is exactly what the next-gen system is, is peer-to-peer.
	That's what they want, is they want the airplanes to talk to each other electronically and have proper separation.
	Yeah.
	It's all more of the same.
	And I will say that airplanes all the time are looking out for each other.
	When you're flying VFR... The tower will basically say, well, you've got a guy somewhere up there.
	He seems like he could be 500 feet lower, but he could be on your altitude.
	Keep your eyes open.
	And then you keep your eyes open.
	You see the guy.
	You call back to the tower and say, visual!
	And the other guy, yeah, visual.
	I got him.
	Okay.
	Well, don't bump into each other.
	Yeah, okay.
	No problem.
	Continue.
	Now, of course, we're not doing 500 miles an hour at 40,000 feet, but that's actually a lot easier.
	So this whole thing that, oh, it's being delayed because of furlough?
	No.
	It's binary.
	It's on or off.
	There is no, like, middle ground.
	There is no middle ground.
	You can't just not man it all of a sudden.
	Now, could it become dangerous because people are spending long hours and are working longer shifts?
	Yes.
	Of course.
	And human error, especially if someone's fatigued, can always happen.
	That's most likely to happen with your pilot, by the way, who are fatigued all the time.
	Yeah, they're wearing them out.
	And make $20,000 a year to entry-level pilots.
	Bullshit.
	So we have to discuss some of the crap that's coming out.
	Even though one of our producers brought up the drone possibility of blowing up that place in Texas.
	And now there's millions of videos.
	Yeah, of the FEMA trucks that showed up the day before.
	Have you seen those?
	No, I missed that one.
	FEMA trucks showed up the day before.
	And then, of course, you see the videos, which are slowed down frame by frame, and you see an explosion coming in from the left side.
	Or it could have been a...
	Yeah, or something.
	Plasma?
	Plasma attack?
	A rocket with a fiery tail.
	Yeah.
	What do you think?
	Well, I like the one that's been going around where they have that one frame with the explosion on the left or whatever it is, a flash.
	Right.
	Which could have been.
	And if I'm not mistaken, most of the predators and the drones, when they shoot, they don't shoot straight.
	They don't fly over something and then shoot down.
	No, no.
	It's at an angle from a distance.
	Sure.
	Sure.
	It's got to be an oblique angle unless the thing wants to dip.
	It's not like a fighter.
	It's got some guy doing fancy maneuvers to shoot his rockets.
	So it could be coming in at that angle because that's a low angle.
	And then it just exploded like crazy, which does make some sense because it needs something to trigger that thing.
	That wasn't a spontaneous explosion.
	I think there was something that launched.
	So I'm in on that.
	I'm good for that.
	Well, and remember, there was the whole Monsanto lawsuit thing.
	Right.
	And we know that the Monsanto guys are everywhere.
	And then we had the barge in Alabama.
	Yeah.
	Which also sounds like it was bombed or something, because if you play, I have a clip, this is a guy who was there filming it, and of course the anchor guy's an idiot, and he's asking the wrong questions, but it's kind of interesting to listen to it.
	Well, I'm the general manager of Fort Condien, the hotel down right off of South Royal Street.
	We basically have the Carnival Triumph in our backyard, and we were up on a second floor balcony hanging.
	And the guy lit up in orange and yellow, and my partner was on one end of the balcony and I was on the other, and he actually saw the, it looked like the Carnival cruise ship was on fire at first, but then we realized it was a little bit farther from the ship, but it sounded like, you know, planes above you dropping bombs when it first went off.
	All right, Alan, we can see these intense flames as you're talking here.
	Clearly this intense was rather powerful.
	Could you feel the impact from where you were?
	We could feel the rumble on the balcony that we're standing on.
	We could hear it.
	And as soon as it went off, I was sitting in a chair and he was standing, and I stood up and I didn't know what to do because we were on the second floor and didn't know if it was so close or, you know, one of those shocking moments you don't know really what to do.
	After we figured out what it was, I ran down to the riverfront by the Convention and Visitors Bureau and I was on the top of the stairs taking video for you guys, a chastity bird, when the second explosion went off and I saw everything.
	Now, could you feel the concussion or feel the heat from this?
	So, I have this clip too.
	And I just wanted to thank all the producers who send in stuff like this.
	This is not covered.
	I have not seen this covered at all.
	Because, of course, we need to have Bloomberg standing on his stack of phone books to talk about how New York was a potential target and all be afraid.
	But when I saw this, what was the first thing?
	We just finished Rubicon.
	Right, I thought the same thing.
	Right, so I didn't mention this before, another spoiler.
	Okay, good.
	In the final episode of Rubicon, they've been tracking down this guy who's been setting off explosions, and so it's all been for a reason, for profit, and he decides to sink a barge in Galveston, Texas.
	Because that is the gateway for oil.
	The choke point.
	The choke point, yes.
	For oil in America.
	And I'm like, wow, you know, so here's a liquid natural gas barge that has been bombed, as the guy just said.
	I heard the planes go over by, drop the bombs.
	Let's just ignore that.
	And I'm like, wow, that's a total Rubicon plot.
	I don't know what...
	I don't think that this is...
	Where was this again?
	Mobile.
	Mobile, Alabama, I believe.
	Right.
	Well, I'll tell you...
	I don't know what the deal is.
	It's not being covered very well, and that's the end of it.
	So last Sunday, the Chertoff group...
	Send out an email, and they had at least, if it wasn't Chertoff himself, they had a representative from the Chertoff group on every single Sunday news show.
	And they sent out an email, one of those company promotional email blasts, to say, look how good we are!
	We're on every single show!
	No, we should have figured out who the PR agency was that pulled that off.
	It was internal, I think.
	Yeah, bull.
	What do you mean, bull?
	There's no way.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I have a copy of the email.
	No, I'm sure the email is internal, but there was somebody behind it, and they were on one of the big agencies.
	There's no way the internal guy can pull that off.
	It's impossible.
	I don't know.
	Well, I mean, yeah.
	Chertoff Group is no slouches.
	Yeah, I know, but it's all part of a quid pro quo.
	If you're WPP or one of these big agencies, you can really pull a lot of, you can make everything happen at once.
	True.
	Yeah, you could dick it out, you know, and every once in a while you get on something.
	But if you get on all this stuff at the same time, like bang, bang, bang, bang, like that woman did with Lean In, the book, there's a big agency behind it.
	There's no way anyone can do that internally.
	It's just not possible.
	You're right, you're right.
	Well, I don't think I know.
	I can find out who the agency is.
	Oh, it should be easy.
	It's probably on their website.
	Okay.
	You can track down who the person was.
	Let's see.
	Where's the Chertoff group today?
	It was a real one of those internal company, but they all sent it to their clients.
	Yeah, that's what we do.
	It's all bullcrap.
	Look how great we are.
	Let's see Chertoff Group.
	Let's just go to Chertoff Group.
	People love us.
	We rock headlines.
	Tune in.
	Watch TCG. That's the Chertoff Group on Fox News Sunday.
	Meet the press this Sunday.
	Sunday, Sunday, Sunday.
	Yeah, this kind of booking is not...
	It's not...
	It's non-trivial.
	Media.
	It's one of the big boys.
	It's probably got to be like the top dogs at Omnicron or something.
	That's Omnicom, not Omnicron.
	Omnicron job.
	Omnicron or WPP or the other one.
	Let's see.
	In the news, press releases.
	Maybe it was a press release.
	Let's see if it was a press release.
	There should have been.
	Somehow they always get their name snuck in there.
	They can't quite keep their name out of it.
	You know, we're really not paying attention to these guys, and it's all in plain sight.
	There's Aiden.
	You know, he's part of this scam.
	What is the AFCEA? I don't know.
	Look it up.
	You look it up.
	I was going to get to Katie Montgomery.
	What is the AFCEA? What is this?
	Let me check it out.
	See what Katie does.
	AFCEA is Association Armed Forces Communications and Electronics Association.
	Okay, so here's how it works.
	The Chertoff Group's Paul Schneider has been named the Armed Forces Group for Electronics Association Homeland Security Chairman.
	The Honorable Paul Schneider, principal at the Chertoff Group, has been selected.
	This is Rubicon.
	This is Rubicon.
	Yeah, and everyone's making money but us.
	What was the name of the company?
	Atlas?
	What was the name of the company?
	No, it was something else.
	Yeah, it was Atlas something.
	Two names.
	Rubicon, Atlas.
	You watch.
	I'll get it.
	I don't think it was Atlas.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Mickey will know.
	She's good at that.
	Atlas.
	Oh, come on.
	Katie Montgomery is the front person.
	She actually works at the company.
	She is a White House out of the White House.
	Makes sense.
	I mean, here she is, the PR woman for the company.
	Ms.
	Montgomery serves as the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs at U.S. Department of Homeland Security, obviously working for Chertoff back then.
	Atlas McDowell.
	Oh, right, Atlas McDowell, yeah.
	God, it's so close to home.
	But she's not the one that did this.
	There's no way.
	No, I don't think she did that.
	It's got to be like...
	It's one of the big boys.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, they got on everything.
	And Hayden got out there on everything.
	Hayden, I think, has his own PR person.
	Oh, that's what we need.
	Yeah, we do.
	Well, you know, people, they try, and then they go, these two losers, we can't do anything for them.
	It's like they didn't even be able to do a podcast.
	They're like, no, no.
	Every single person who's ever tried to help is like, you need to stir up some controversy.
	Yeah, no, there's all...
	Call out somebody.
	No.
	It's all part of the scam and we refuse to play the game.
	Yeah, that's why we...
	That's why we're the greatest podcast in the universe with no money.
	Do you enjoy your getting by?
	How's your getting by going, John?
	That works for me.
	We eventually can go get by someplace else.
	Alright, well we're going to go get by...
	We'll find out who this operation...
	Yeah.
	We'll find out who got all these bookings.
	And continue...
	Well, not just supporting it, but continue bringing in the goods, bringing in the news.
	I love it.
	You're sending us stuff from all over, and particularly you, yes, you, sitting in that government agency, working for that arm of the government.
	You're not alone.
	You are not alone.
	There's lots of people like you.
	You're not crazy.
	And most important, we need you where you are.
	Stay where you are.
	Stay calm.
	And vent through us.
	It's okay.
	That's what we're here for.
	And we asked the question, why the Chertoff Group has also acted as a strategic advisor on several M&A transactions, totaling more than $2.7 billion on deal value.
	And we'll be talking about that on the second portion of your bi-weekly path to better mental health, a fuller life, and exciting and fulfilling sexual relations on Sunday...
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from Northern Silicon Valley, where on Sunday we'll also mention the fact that patient zero, AIDS patient zero, was a publicity stunt.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	And I'm Adam Curry.
	Talk to you again on Sunday right here on No Agenda.
	The best podcast in the universe.

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