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	We're proud of being the bullies of the world, okay?
	That's what we do.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Sunday, January 13th, 2013.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 478.
	This is No Agenda.
	No.
	Double flagged, but still not tagged, and back from living in exile.
	From the capital of the Drone Star State, Austin Tejas, in the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I can hear you now, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Craig Vaughn and Buzzkill.
	In the morning.
	I love watching the chat room.
	Everyone's like, just start already.
	We know you.
	Just start.
	Just go.
	Hey, come on, people.
	Watch everybody in a hurry.
	I don't know.
	Exactly.
	This is the best podcast in the universe.
	It has to be done right.
	Thank you.
	It's a formula.
	And you have to do it right.
	You have to do a formula right.
	You have to do our formula right.
	What's the point of a formula if you don't do it formulaically?
	So, of course, I'm back in Camp Mofo in Austin, Tejas.
	Okay, here we go!
	Yay!
	And, of course, everything is all filled with dust and all sticky and nothing works right anymore.
	You know, it's like someone, like elves came in here.
	Well, you leave something alone for a month and everything starts to deteriorate.
	It's entropy.
	You're lucky that the place hasn't dissolved.
	The entire place.
	Just melted away.
	Yeah.
	Or overgrown with weeds.
	Well...
	We're lucky to be here, I would say.
	Okay, well, let's start at the beginning.
	Okay, let's start at a day of departure.
	How about that?
	Okay, let's start.
	You're in your little rental.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	First of all, before we left, we got a good little karma boost.
	Guess who showed up in Amsterdam?
	Dressed to the nines, I might add.
	Almost looking like he had a zoot suit on with a hat and the tie, the whole thing.
	The mysterious Sir Gene.
	Sir Gene, exactly.
	Sir Gene Naftuliev shows up in Amsterdam.
	And I'd seen him previously in Austin, and he looked like a biker.
	You know, he had a do-rag.
	He dresses for the occasion.
	I don't know if he's dressing for the occasion.
	What does he do for a living?
	I think he's a fixer.
	I think...
	Yes, correct.
	You are correct, sir.
	He's a fixer.
	That's exactly what he is.
	He fixes stuff.
	You know, he sent me a hoodie.
	Oh, an FBI Dallas.
	He sent one for Mickey, a pink one, and we pleaded with him to send you a pink one as well.
	Oh, thank you, Gene, for not sending me a pink one, which would have never been worn.
	But have you seen the slogan on the emblem?
	What does it say?
	It says something like, FBI Dallas, we've got our eyes on you.
	Something like that.
	Yeah, something creepy.
	It's very creepy.
	Anyway, so then Taxi Eric took us to the airport.
	So that's where it all started.
	You know, the first thing is, oh, you have four bags.
	And we'd already shipped stuff in boxes via postal, you know, C-mail.
	Yeah, you'll get it in a couple years.
	And they said, well, you know, you have to pay for each.
	You can only have one bag each.
	I'm like, this is crazy.
	I flew over.
	Wait, hold on a second.
	Thank you.
	Wait, just stop.
	You're telling me that if I'm flying overseas...
	Yep.
	I'm flying overseas.
	I'm hauling my butt across the ocean.
	And I'm probably going to stay a while because it's a long trip.
	I can only bring one bag now?
	On what carrier was this?
	Well, here's what's interesting.
	And I just had regular economy, I think it was economy comfort class.
	I'm not quite sure what the comfort part is.
	And so, you know, first, it's KLM, and so Delta is part of their network.
	And I had two bags, checked two bags.
	Not a problem.
	No one threw up, and no one said anything.
	And Mickey, by the way, I checked, who also flew over economy when she left, like, you know, last year.
	She also had two bags, and there was no problem.
	It was like, okay, two bags, check them through.
	And through Delta and then straight through to Amsterdam.
	And I had the same.
	Now we show up at the airport with our same bags.
	It's like, oh no, I'm sorry, one bag only.
	We're like, what are you talking about?
	And like, well, I don't know why you were able to take it on the way over, but we're looking at your status.
	And we used to fly a lot, and so we had like KLM gold cards.
	Now you're just ivory.
	Yeah.
	What?
	You're ivory.
	Shut up, slave.
	You don't count.
	So maybe it was because you were gold, and now you're ivory.
	Okay.
	So we wound up, yeah, that's 150 euros extra.
	What?
	Yeah, 75 per bag.
	So wait a minute, so you have, why don't you carry a bag on?
	These are big bags, John.
	These are not bags you can...
	This is where the airlines are making the money, though.
	In America alone, I think they made $3 billion in baggage fees.
	This is how it works.
	Anyway, so regardless, we...
	Now, this is the same thing that happened on the way over.
	They're flying these plastic planes, Airbus, and it's the...
	I think it's the 340.
	The flown four engines?
	Yeah.
	I don't recall.
	I just think it's the 340.
	Yes, it has to be the 340.
	And so what they've done is you have the middle four seats.
	And no matter what seat you have, you have a metal box right there kind of at your leg.
	Either your right leg or your left leg.
	It's the stupidest configuration ever.
	And what's worth it, that box is for the in-seat entertainment, which is crap anyway.
	Wait, there's a big giant metal box so you can't stick your feet under the chair in front of you?
	You can stick it under the seat in front of you, but you have to route it around the box.
	So it's like, imagine you have the leg of the...
	That's dumb.
	It is, and I had a long discussion with the senior purser about this.
	And he said, yeah, no, this is pretty dumb.
	I said, yeah, but this is...
	Yeah, this is how they configured the aircraft.
	The entire middle row of four seats has this box.
	In fact, no, it even has on the right-hand side as well.
	I didn't check left, but on the right-hand side where's two seats.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's uncomfortable and it's lame.
	It's a lame configuration.
	So we're off.
	Now, we're tired, and this is a 4.30 afternoon flight, and of course you have to go to Atlanta, and then from Atlanta we have to get Ms.
	Mickey, better known as Mabel, or sometimes Maud, or sometimes Millicent, or whatever crikey name you guys have come up with her today.
	We've got to get her into the country and then on to the flight from Atlanta to Austin.
	So, now, you know, this is an eight and a half hour flight, and now my back is still completely messed up.
	Completely.
	And I have to, you know...
	So your muscle spasms, so your back went out.
	Yeah, so I pop a Vicodin.
	That's helping me out.
	I'm like, yay!
	Yeah, heck with a box!
	I'm having a good time now.
	Give me a Bloody Mary.
	Alright, Bloody Mary.
	Then it's like, okay, after like three hours, give me one of those temazepam pills, which is like, you know what temazepam is, don't you?
	It's something.
	It's a muscle relaxer.
	No, it's a sleeping aid.
	A sleeping pill.
	All right.
	So I'm like, I'm out.
	Mickey's out.
	So we're like, we're drooling for four hours.
	We wake up an hour and a half before we land.
	Okay.
	And then we land at Hartfield.
	Is it Hartfield Jackson Airport?
	I think it is in Atlanta.
	Whatever it is.
	The biggest airport.
	Yeah.
	So we land at 8.15.
	Our flight to Austin is at 10.
	And there's a thousand people at customs.
	Really.
	In fact, here's the crazy thing.
	They separate you between citizens and foreigners.
	The foreigner line was half the size of the citizen line.
	And you feel like such...
	And of course, there's all signs everywhere.
	Join the Global Entry Program.
	You won't have to sit through this or join the Global Entry Program.
	All we want is a retinal scan.
	No, I'm not going to do that.
	So this is now...
	Now it's 9 o'clock.
	I'm still not at the front of the line.
	And then it's like 9 o'clock.
	Everything stops because, of course, the Customs and Border Patrol, the shift changes.
	Oh, yeah.
	I've been there for one of these.
	Oh, my.
	Everybody stops working.
	No, no.
	They get on the phone.
	They put on their jacket.
	And then the other guy or woman shows up.
	And they wait.
	And then that person has to log in, has to clean their stamp, has to wipe down the...
	Yeah, I'm not kidding.
	They're cleaning their stamp.
	Let me clean my stamp.
	They're cleaning their stamp.
	They're wiping everything down.
	Adjusting the monitor to the right height.
	The chair and everything.
	And then the hand goes up and like, wave, wave.
	Come on, Slavelet.
	You're next.
	So that takes ten minutes.
	And I'm just seeing the clock tick away.
	I'm like, ugh.
	So finally I go through.
	And by the way, the guy's kind of annoying.
	What food did you bring in?
	This is a new trick they're doing.
	What food did you bring in?
	Instead of, did you bring any food?
	I didn't bring any food.
	This note is very subtle that they're doing this.
	You should have said, I didn't know I was supposed to bring in food.
	Do you want a sandwich?
	I might have some peanuts.
	I don't think...
	I didn't know.
	When did this happen?
	I didn't know I was supposed to bring in food.
	What did I bring in food for?
	That's very funny.
	That's a good idea.
	I'll remember to do that next time.
	Yeah.
	If there is a next time.
	Then he's like, alcohol!
	And remember now, I've had a sleeping pill.
	So you're wasted, yeah.
	Well, I'm awake, and I'm like, ugh.
	And of course, it's now three in the morning, body clock time, because we were way adjusted to Gitmo Nation Euroland.
	And they're like, smoking!
	What?
	No, man, I gave up four months ago.
	I don't even know why I'm giving him this information.
	Yeah.
	What, you told me you gave up four months ago?
	Smoking?
	Taking these pills?
	These are truth serum pills.
	You're going to be telling them all kinds of stuff.
	Yeah, truth serum.
	So I'm approved.
	Okay, this is good.
	Now, you know, we'd also crossed off the family members traveling with you because we don't want to confuse anybody about any petition under a green card for a spouse and all this stuff.
	Yeah, just get in.
	Just get in, right?
	And as I go, I see that Mickey is still waiting for the changing of the guard over there on the foreigner side.
	So I'm like, okay, I go get the bags, which I say, we're lucky the bags are there.
	So I load up two carts.
	That's a plus.
	And then I can just see Mickey who has her hair up.
	She's a tall woman.
	And I just see this little antenna of hair above the booth where she's situated.
	And I can see it bobbing around and bobbing and bobbing.
	I'm like, oh, this is taking way too long.
	Some girl?
	Um, no, a guy.
	A little guy?
	A little guy?
	A guy.
	Yeah.
	Why do you think he's bobbing?
	Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
	And then all of a sudden I see her and the guy with the passport in the plastic baggie walking towards me.
	Oh, no.
	Yeah, and I'm like, uh-oh.
	And I'm like, should I say something?
	Because they're walking straight toward me.
	I didn't know that they have to then turn a right to get into the little enclosed slave quarters where they do a secondary on you.
	And Mickey's looking straight at me, kind of like with that, don't say anything.
	Don't acknowledge me.
	And I'm like, uh-uh.
	And I'm literally standing right there with two carts with four huge bags.
	Now it's like 9.25.
	And we still have to somehow get our bags onto the...
	I don't know how the airport works.
	I've got to get it into the domestic, you know, forward.
	We've got to go to the other gate, whatever.
	So then Mickey goes in, but she's able to text me.
	She says, there's a second flag on me.
	I'm not sure what it is.
	So she had a flag for me.
	Too tall!
	Who knows?
	Well, so I'm standing there.
	Now people are starting to question me.
	Why are you here?
	Why are you here?
	Move it along.
	No photos.
	Don't text.
	No cell phone usage here, sir.
	And I'm like, I'm waiting on my partner.
	How about that word?
	My partner.
	Beautiful.
	I think it was smart.
	Is that him?
	No.
	No, no.
	It was a tall blonde woman.
	So Mickey comes out.
	9.43.
	9.43.
	And she's actually, she's smiling.
	She said, there was some secondary, but they were all really nice.
	They recognized me.
	It's hard not to remember this woman who was, you know, in hysterics, of course, the last time she went through.
	They were all really, really nice, but there was a secondary flag.
	And she said, you know, I just wanted to get out.
	I didn't ask what it was.
	Once I said I was good to go, I just booked out.
	So now we're like, uh-oh.
	What are we going to do?
	So we run through the...
	Then you have to hand off your customs form.
	And the guy goes, what food did you bring?
	Again, I missed a great opportunity to say, ah, I should have brought you a salad.
	And he was nice.
	He saw that we were in a hurry.
	He said, nothing.
	He said, okay, go.
	And he was just...
	Actually, I have to say, nice.
	So he led us through.
	But now it's 9.43 and the flight leaves at 9.56 is when it's scheduled to leave.
	And then we round the corner, there's a guy there, he says, ah, don't worry, I'll take your bags, I'll get them through the domestic.
	I'm like, well, we'll probably never see those again anyway, it's going to take days.
	And then we have to run through security, right?
	So we have to take everything off, shoes, you know, everything.
	And then Mickey, bless her heart, she says, opt out!
	I'm like, what?
	And they said, we don't have a female assist.
	And now we have nine minutes to go.
	And we have to get on the frickin' train in the Atlanta terminal.
	You know how that works?
	Oh, that thing's terrible.
	So I say, I say out loud, I swear, Mickey, forget it.
	Let's just go through the slave scanner.
	And all these people, all these TSA agents looked at me like, what did you say?
	I said, just go.
	Get in the slave scanner.
	And so we go through the scanner.
	And they literally, when I'm coming out the other end, they said, that wasn't too bad, was it?
	I'm blind!
	But they didn't check my ID. There's none of that.
	I don't know if they don't have to or whatever, but there was no checking.
	And then, you know, we're at F. We have to go to B36. So we've got four train stops.
	And this is not the train where the doors close.
	Whether you're in or not, this is one like, oh, there's somebody over there at least 20 feet away.
	Let's keep the doors open.
	And so we're at sea and just people piling on.
	I'm like ready to say, I'm just ready to hit someone because now it's like 9.53.
	And at this point, I'm like, this is not going to happen.
	So where it'd be, you have to go up the escalator.
	Now here's the mistake I made.
	So I've got a big carry-on, I've got Mickey's camera bag, I've got laptop bags, I've had a Vicodin, I've had a sleeping pill, I've had Bloody Marys.
	I decide a good idea is to run up the escalator.
	Let me tell you, this is not a good idea.
	I get to the top of this escalator.
	I'm like, I'm just going to die.
	I can't do it anymore.
	And then B-36 is all the way at the end.
	I kid you not.
	All the way at the end.
	And then Mickey's in the same situation.
	And then the strap of her bag breaks.
	You know, her bag's on the ground.
	It's like you can't even write this stuff.
	Sounds like a comedy.
	But then she sees that there's still a gate agent at 30.
	I mean, I can't see this at this point.
	I'm so blind.
	But she's got the distance vision.
	And then she just pours on the steam.
	And she's like, screw it.
	I'm going to go stop this plane.
	And I swear to God, she stopped the freaking plane.
	She's there and she...
	And the woman goes, okay, I'll let you on.
	And we get on, door closes, we're off.
	And now we're literally like, we can't talk, our throats are all swollen.
	Can you give me some water?
	You know, because of all the chemicals and everything.
	God knows what's going on.
	And then, so we basically, we collapse for, you know, the hour and a half flight.
	We get there.
	Lo and behold, our bags are first off the belt.
	This is great.
	Of course, they went last.
	They went last.
	I mean, who would have expected that?
	No, I would have expected it on the next plane.
	Yeah, oh yeah.
	I didn't expect it for two days.
	Then we get, so we need a cab.
	Because, of course, I didn't park the car at the airport, not knowing how long it would take.
	And we get into a cab.
	The guy is from Ethiopia.
	His name is Helul.
	He says, everyone call me Helul, but my name is Helul.
	And he's from Ethiopia.
	He barely speaks English, but the English he speaks is okay.
	And he's got one of these vans.
	So, he's like, where do you want to go?
	And I give him the address.
	He says, what?
	Give me your damn GPS. I'll type it in.
	I'll type it in.
	Oh, thank you.
	And we're driving, and then he's like, oh!
	Oh, no!
	What?
	Oh, I can never get there.
	I had no gas.
	No gas.
	And you know this scam where, like, you got any cash for the gas?
	I was expecting that, but he literally had no gas.
	This is a cab driver.
	So we pull over and then the rear gate with the lights flashing that the tailgate is about to open and our bags are about to pop out.
	So I spend another 15 minutes with the guy doing this, closing it all up.
	And then we're like 35 minutes from the airport.
	We have a hill to get up before you get up here at Camp Mofo.
	And it's raining at this point.
	And, you know, so once it's raining, the roads also get pretty slick.
	And so we've got all this gear in the back.
	We're in the back.
	He's in the front.
	Front wheel drive.
	We go up the hill.
	And we start sliding backwards in the dark on this hill, which, you know, essentially, if you don't make the curve around the hill, you're going into Lake Travis.
	And Mickey's freaking out.
	And the tires are going...
	And this guy's going, oh, this is not good.
	I said, stop, stop, just stop.
	Just put your foot on the brake.
	I have to get out.
	I have to now direct this guy on a hill in the dark off to the side so he can, you know, essentially shoot the approach from a different angle.
	And then we finally, finally get home.
	Now it's 1230 and we're here.
	And we're here.
	Well, the moral to the story is, ain't traveling wonderful.
	Oh, man.
	And, of course, there's just boxes of stuff here and the mail and, you know, God knows.
	You got a month of mail.
	Yeah, bills.
	And, you know, and also, like, a friendly reminder that we have to leave the premises in a few weeks.
	So yesterday we spent time looking at other places to live.
	What kind of friend are you, actually?
	All you can do is...
	You made it!
	And we got a good story out of it.
	What was really nice, though, is that when we landed in Atlanta, I had at least 20 emails from producers saying, I'm here in Atlanta, one phone call, I'll pick you up, we'll take care of you.
	Literally.
	You know, like gypsy ring stuff.
	Oh, you got stuck there, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Mr.
	Oil was up all night tracking every flight, all our movements throughout every bit of the process.
	He said that by some strange coincidence, I guess, The Delta flight from Atlanta to Austin had actually called in a delayed departure, which is the only reason why we made it.
	And I'm not sure why that happened.
	The flight was only half full.
	Well, they have delayed.
	Well, probably, I don't know.
	I mean, delayed departure seems to be pretty routine nowadays, especially from certain airports.
	New York, for example.
	I'm thinking that one of our producers might have done something for you.
	Usually they hold up.
	I've been on flights where they hold the flight up and say, we've got some international travelers that are late connections, and we're going to wait for them.
	Mm-hmm.
	So, you know, we're just going to take us another 15 minutes, and you sit there for 15 minutes waiting for these guys to get on.
	I got on a plane once where the door closed right behind me.
	I always thought that was cool.
	Yeah.
	Of course, everybody glares at me.
	A-hole, we were waiting here for you.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	But, you know, luckily, I think what's nice is that Miss Mickey said, you know, even though there was a secondary flag, we don't know what it is.
	They said, have you ever been arrested?
	That was like the questioning she got.
	Yeah.
	So we're a little worried as to what that secondary flag is exactly.
	But she did say that everyone was really, really nice.
	And that they were all like, hey, did you get your visa?
	You got your 01.
	Okay, that's great.
	Yeah, we'll try and hurry you through.
	They were really being nice.
	So I have to...
	No, they can be nice.
	I haven't had that experience quite often except in New York.
	Yeah, I just have to give props when props are due.
	Because, you know, I'm pretty mean about it.
	Again, Customs isn't, you know, isn't the TSA people.
	Yeah, it's Homeland Security, absolutely.
	Yeah, I know they are, but they're not TSA division.
	No, they're not TSA, but they're Homeland Security, and you just look at the dude.
	Well, I know, but so is the Coast Guard.
	I mean, they try to make everything Homeland Security if they can get it under the budget umbrella.
	So, you look at the dude running the show there, and you know what's underneath.
	It's not going to be much better.
	Isn't that obvious?
	Well, I don't like it.
	I don't understand why the Coast Guard is under Department of Homeland Security.
	It should be a military.
	It just makes no sense.
	Anyway, the house was not robbed.
	Nick the Rat.
	Very funny.
	No.
	No, that was...
	So everything else was...
	And the neighbors...
	It's kind of cute.
	You know, they'd put Christmas tree decorations in the yard and they'd hung up a wreath on the house.
	In the futile hope that we would return for Christmas.
	So it's kind of cute that they did that and they took care of everything and now we can thank them by giving them some Dutch chocolate and tell them that we're leaving.
	So I didn't bring in any food.
	I didn't bring any food.
	By the way, the key to success when you bring food in is never say it's a gift.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, it's for personal use.
	But you can't bring any food, period.
	No, yeah, you can bring food in, but it can never be for anything but personal use.
	You brought in to eat it.
	I mean, you can't bring in certain meats, but I got the briefing from the...
	Border Patrol or Customs guys in Port Angeles to Victoria, Canada.
	And they said the trick is that what happens is if they bring it as a gift, then they're confiscated right on the spot.
	So here's what was really nice as I'm going through the mail, which will take me a few more days because we've got to get a new lease together first.
	I opened up one box and it was the No Agenda Moonshine.
	Oh yeah, that stuff.
	Yeah, and we had some last night.
	We read the documentation.
	Yes, good going.
	It says, please be careful with it.
	It will burn your nose and throat, but you can cut it with distilled water to make a more vodka-like spirit that will not catch fire.
	Oh yeah, this stuff will burn like a champ.
	That didn't register yesterday when I was drinking it.
	He said, because this was distilled from sugarcane based rather than grain, there's no methanol produced by the yeast.
	As a result, there's no chance this spirit will make you go blind.
	And this is from Sir Coggs.
	And it's a beautiful bottle.
	He has his detail on it.
	This is a product that I think has legs.
	With the logo.
	Yeah, it has legs.
	I think this can be sold.
	We diluted it with water.
	And Mickey actually, she was like, oh my god, this is great!
	She didn't even finish it, though.
	I finished it.
	And I was like, yeah, we had a little ice, a little water, just drank it that way.
	Yeah, it's a vodka.
	It's essentially with the water in it.
	It's dynamite, man.
	It's essentially vodka.
	I mean, you can call it whatever you want, advertising.
	It tasted like a really nice vodka.
	When you dilute it a little bit with water, it tasted just like a really nice vodka.
	It's exactly what it is.
	Yeah.
	But the bottle is beautiful.
	I presume you had the same bottle and the same detail as I had.
	That's a product, John.
	I think that's a $40, $49 bottle of juice right there.
	It's 180 proof beauty, yeah.
	It's a jam.
	We have to figure out some way of putting that into play.
	I'm going to take a picture of the...
	Actually, maybe Ms.
	Mickey, I know she's listening.
	Maybe she can take a picture and tweet it right now so that people can see it live.
	It's a beautiful, beautiful...
	The whole product is great.
	The box is nice.
	And he was able to send it to me.
	So can we just ship this stuff statewide or...
	Now, it wasn't in the mason jar, which is kind of what I wanted.
	No, this is better.
	This is classier.
	I know what you're saying, but the mason jars is cliched.
	No, it's just starting that people are doing the mason jar.
	No, I saw mason jars in the 70s.
	This is nothing new.
	Yeah, but the people who drink are new, since that audience is starting to die off, the ones that saw that in the 70s.
	Exactly.
	Another one fights the dust.
	Hey, hey, speaking of dying, John...
	Good news!
	Our third story out front.
	Breaking news.
	The Centers for Disease Control have just told CNN that the flu is now at epidemic levels.
	Epidemic levels!
	I'm glad I got back.
	Just in time?
	Just in time?
	Yeah, just time to catch it.
	It's the bill!
	Let's just have a listen to Erin Burnett here with her report.
	In the United States.
	Right now, widespread in 41 states.
	Hold that map up there so you can see it.
	It's the latest map we have from the CDC. And all the red is where there is high flu activity.
	Now, I'm going to flip it to look at the same time last year.
	Woo!
	She's going to flip it.
	Stand back.
	She's flipping the cartoon drawing.
	Green.
	Whoa!
	Whoa!
	Minimal activity.
	I mean, a totally different picture.
	Well, that's proof right there.
	This season came sooner than expected and already, obviously, significantly more severe.
	How is this sooner than expected?
	We're in January.
	Because she flipped it and it was green last year, so there's proof?
	No, it's been green every year since 2003.
	Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!
	Shut up already!
	It's science!
	So far, the CDC says there have been 2,257 hospitalizations and 18 children have died.
	Died!
	There has been no nationwide tally yet on adult deaths, but Minnesota officials say there's 27 in their state alone, 22 in South Carolina, 13 in Indiana, 7 in Arkansas, 6 in Illinois.
	So here's kind of the funny thing is that Texas...
	It's completely red, as in, you know, like, we're walking dead here, according to this CNN report.
	But California is completely green, yet, you know, Buzzkill Jr.
	is sick, his girlfriend is sick, you're drinking mushroom juice so you don't get sick.
	What is going on?
	Yeah, I took Tamiflu.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	But I like the mushroom juice, and I was at the market yesterday, but I couldn't remember the damn mushroom I'm supposed to ask for.
	Reishi.
	Reishi.
	So you take a reishi mushroom and then you just juice it?
	Yeah, well, look at it.
	Look at Google it.
	How come you don't?
	I mean, why don't we have a John C. DeVorek No Agenda Swine Flu recipe?
	I don't understand.
	Why are you sending me to the Googles?
	It's JC's thing.
	I mean, he's the one who knows all about how to make it.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	He's got to boil it.
	The guy who was drinking Yesi's Shushi.
	Well, it didn't help him.
	I saw what happened to his girlfriend.
	She can barely walk.
	Really?
	Is it that bad?
	Because it went after her joints, and so she looks like an old grandmother wandering around.
	And so JC got it, although he wouldn't take my advice.
	Take some Tamiflu.
	You said, well, actually, we have Relenza, too.
	Right.
	But I, a couple days of her having, I said, you know, I think I was going to take a prophylactic round of Tamiflu.
	Is this the puking, pooping flu, or is this the...
	Oh, no, everything.
	Oh, really?
	Puking, bad gastroenteritis, she's got joints, high fever, it's a mess.
	And so Jace...
	It's not one you want to get.
	So I just loaded up on all these preventatives and everyone's sick but me.
	So I want you to listen to the rest of it.
	So this was like a 15-minute report, and I pulled another two minutes.
	She has this doctor on, and you'll recognize where this doctor's work, well, she'll actually tell you where he worked before.
	But they're really loading it on this year.
	I mean, now it's, you know, because you know, of course, what this is all about.
	You know, we've got to, you know, shoot the slaves up with some vaccines.
	But let's spark a little bit of panic here as well.
	People intense.
	It's something you expect in other parts of the world.
	How does this happen?
	It is frightening.
	This is the worst flu season we've had in 10 years.
	The worst in 10 years, John!
	10 years!
	This supersedes the swine flu.
	Worst in 10 years!
	I think it is the worst in 10 years.
	I'm in total agreement with this.
	And we don't really know how bad it's going to be.
	In New York alone, for example, we are already well ahead of where we were last year.
	You know what?
	With this guy's done, I know what the problem is, by the way.
	They don't want to even discuss this.
	Okay.
	So Jessie, who caught the flu because she works at the Ferry Building in one of those small boutique stores for all the rich jerk-offs from Knob Hill.
	Right.
	Pacific Heights.
	All these companies.
	All the noodle kids and all these guys out there.
	In fact, it's kind of stunning when I discuss this with them.
	The noodle kids.
	None of them.
	None of them, none of the people in their 20s that are working for a living have sick leave.
	They don't give it to them.
	It's because it's a union thing.
	There's no sick leave anymore.
	So they say, you gotta come to work, you gotta come to work!
	So she actually has essentially all these people, all of them, they all have the flu, and they're all forced to go work in a public place with the public.
	And it's just passing this around like crazy because there's no sick leave.
	There has to be legislative sick leave mandated by the government because nobody's going to give it to anybody.
	No.
	You've got to come to work.
	Really?
	So they make all these people who are sick as dogs go to work and contaminate the public.
	And so this thing spreads like crazy.
	And that's the public health problem.
	And nobody in all these reports will have anybody mentioning anything about this.
	Well, that doesn't matter because if we just give them a shot, then they can go right back to work.
	Well, the problem is they finally got, they're being honest about the shot.
	All the news reports, especially in the last week, say the shot, even though we had some reports saying it was supposed to work pretty well, they say it's 57% effective to 65%.
	So it doesn't work.
	The shot doesn't work.
	Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
	CNN's on a different track with that.
	Here, check it out.
	That's the track probably just to sell shots.
	Well, listen.
	...projected to go much higher.
	As you say, the flu season started earlier, and it may run longer.
	Now, we are ill-prepared for this.
	We don't have the negative pressure rooms, which are required to isolate people.
	Negative pressure rooms.
	Now, are you getting a feeling already where this guy is from?
	Do you remember who this guy is?
	If you don't, we're going to tell you.
	We frankly don't have enough vaccine.
	We have 135 million doses of vaccine, and we have almost twice as many people in the United States.
	Choose your favorite child!
	But the short answer is we really don't know what's different this year, why we have more flu.
	That's sort of frightening.
	You served as an advisor on the film Contagion, as I just told our viewers.
	Oh, he was an advisor on the film Contagion.
	Yes, that's where we know him from.
	In that scenario, an outbreak quickly spreads around the world, and it's frightening.
	And, you know, millions of people can die.
	Who prepared is America to deal with a real pandemic?
	Because, obviously, looking at what we just saw in that piece and what we're seeing now, I mean, especially given all the threats from terror that this country has faced, it's pretty shocking.
	It doesn't seem like we're ready.
	Well the good news is that we have newer, faster, better ways of making vaccines now than we had a few years ago.
	So we can produce vaccines and we can get them out where they can actually protect people.
	We also have no evidence that these flu strains that are circulating this year are going to be resistant To the drugs that we have.
	He says no evidence, John.
	He was an advisor on contagion.
	He's an advisor on contagion.
	I don't think you know what you're talking about.
	So in fact, if we can get to people within an appropriate period of time, we can actually have an impact.
	All right, so there's a couple of positive things, but Colonel Larson, you worked with former Senators Bob Graham and Jim Tallon at the bipartisan WMD Research Center, and you issued a...
	Yeah, WMD, yeah, now we're all over to weapons of mass destruction.
	How do we get from the flu to WMDs?
	Well, because there's something brewing, brother.
	Bioterrorism report card, just where the United States is, are we ready?
	And after 9-11, it was a big priority for this country to be ready.
	And here's what it looked like.
	There were no A's, and there were a lot of D's and a lot of F's, and So basically what she did is, this of course is going to be a money grab somewhere.
	The whole idea is, well, we weren't ready for this flu, but it's just the flu people.
	And we don't have enough vaccines.
	And look, if this were an anthrax attack, that's where she takes this.
	I don't have to play the rest of the clip because that's exactly what she says.
	Ah, boo!
	What boo?
	She stinks.
	Yes.
	Well, I don't know if she actually stinks.
	She probably smells quite nice.
	Well, that could be.
	I have a feeling that Erin smells kind of like when you smell a newborn baby.
	Well, she has some appeal.
	In the morning to you there, John C. In the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	Welcome back to the U.S. of A. Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	In the morning to all the ships and sea boots on the ground, subs in the water, feet in the air, and all the knights and dames out there.
	Yes, and to our human resources in the chat room, nogenastream.com, nogenachat.net.
	Hello, Void Zero, Mr.
	Oil, and Sir Gitmo Slave, apparently, in hospital.
	I hope everything's okay.
	I'm not sure if that was planned or not.
	And while we're on the list, I have here from Christy Harriman.
	It'll be a little tough to hear.
	It's a YouTube video from one of their friends at the General Intercessions at their wedding, which I've never heard of this, but I guess this is the General Intercessions.
	Is that kind of like the general prayer that you do at any kind of ceremony?
	I don't know.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	Intercessions.
	I looked it up in the Book of Knowledge.
	I don't know.
	I have no idea.
	I'd have to look it up myself.
	Here, I've looked it up.
	Somebody got married and so they had an intercession?
	Isn't that where they bring them out and say, no, no, don't get married and slap them around?
	I don't think that's...
	That's an intervention.
	No, so one of their friends does a prayer, and I tweeted this.
	A lot of people knew exactly.
	I don't go to church, so I don't know what this is.
	But he's up there in the pulpit area, and listen to what he says.
	Could you hear it?
	Sounds like he's giving code to some alien landing.
	He said, boots on the ground, subs under the water, ships at sea, feet in the air, and he's looking around and everyone's noticing.
	That is hilarious.
	It's a little hard to hear, but you see, with the video, it's a little better.
	He's like, boots on the ground, subs under the water, ships in sea, and feet in the air.
	Very good.
	Very, very good.
	We like that a lot.
	That was good.
	Oh, and I do have another PR thing.
	Captain Fred, who's in Austin here.
	Captain Fred, he does a couple of podcasts.
	And he went to the New Media Expo, where they had the podcast awards.
	Yes.
	And he confronted...
	Mr.
	Podcast Award himself, Todd Cochran.
	He confronted him about our little show here.
	This is Fred Castlinger, the struggling entrepreneur.
	We're here at New Media Expo, which happens to be the conference for podcasters.
	And I'm here with Todd Cochran from Raw Voice and also the Blueberry Man.
	He's also the chairman of the Podcast Awards, the People's Choice.
	And so I have one question for you, Todd, and that is, if you had a category for the best podcast in the universe, which one would it be?
	No Agenda!
	Noagenda.com, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak.
	All right.
	Way to go.
	The best podcast in the universe.
	Captain Fred.
	I love you, man.
	That's funny.
	Just go up there and harass people.
	Like, hey, man, these podcast awards are bogative, man.
	Well, some of them sure are.
	I mean, they had the, my favorite is the, there was some category, and the guy who won was Audacity to Podcast.
	And it's a podcast about making podcasts using Audacity.
	Really?
	And it's just, I mean, it's, I don't, it should be, I'm befuddled by this winning, there's some actually some pretty good, pretty good names nominated, but I was okay, whatever.
	That doesn't matter.
	It doesn't matter.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's all bogative.
	It's bots.
	And Leo didn't even get nominated and he kind of groused about it.
	For Twit, for the best tech podcast.
	Well, I guess he's just no longer the best tech podcast.
	Here's the joke of it.
	They have him keynote and give the awards out, and then they snub him.
	I just thought this was hilarious.
	They snub him.
	They couldn't even give him a gratuitous nomination.
	This is why I don't do any of these things.
	They always ask me, I'm like, where's my award?
	Exactly.
	That's exactly what you should do.
	We all know.
	Unless I've received an award at one point, like the very first podcast award, the very, very, very first, I got best produced or something.
	I'm like, man, whatever.
	That's like...
	It doesn't sound right.
	We know that these awards, and I could talk about this again, about how the top ten lists in magazines and all the rest of it.
	Well, these aren't, though.
	These are voted on by the public.
	Yeah, but you could put a bot out there and just vote the crap out of yourself.
	Oh, really?
	Is that possible?
	Yeah, and I think we should do it next time.
	We tried that.
	No, we should do it right.
	We tried last year.
	We said, get the bots going.
	And everyone's like, nobody's going to put bots on unless you pay them.
	We've got other things to do.
	And you know what?
	I don't think you achieve anything.
	I don't think you get anything for it.
	You get a last award.
	Yeah.
	Do we have anyone to thank for supporting the show?
	Yeah, we do.
	We have a couple of executive producers we want to thank and let me get to them.
	This is good.
	We have one executive producer and one, two, three, four...
	Five associate executives, which is an interesting combination.
	And the executive producer is Anonymous.
	Okay.
	From Ohio.
	Hi, Anonymous.
	Welcome back, Gitmo Slaves, Mickey and Adam.
	Again, I have karma to spare, so I'm sending mine your way.
	$100 for Neo, Morpheus, and Trinity.
	Should be approaching a knight status in a couple of months.
	Can I get a science and de-douching Anonymous until knighthood?
	I think he says, it's science.
	There's a difference between science and it's science.
	I get a it's science.
	Shut up already!
	Science!
	You've been de-douched.
	Why do I have a feeling that's going to get requested a lot?
	It's great!
	It's actually kind of sexy.
	I've received two emails from people who are very upset about this.
	What?
	Yeah.
	They're like, Dr.
	Kiki's really good, man.
	It's just unfortunate.
	Just an unfortunate moment.
	I said, yeah?
	Yeah?
	So what?
	And now she'd be branded as a ditz.
	No, I don't think so.
	No.
	Scott Spencer, Black Knight Scott, as a matter of fact, in Dawsonville, of all places, Georgia, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
	Nice.
	Hi, Jonas and Asher.
	Nice.
	Black Knight Scott in Dawsonville.
	Not drunk yet, but working on it.
	Haven't donated in a while, so I'm overdue.
	This one should put me into my second knighthood.
	No karma needed for me right now, except please give some to Asher and Millicent for their relocation.
	Wish I could have met you in Atlanta.
	Yeah, so Sir Scott indeed sent us.
	He was one of the people who sent us a note and said, you know, just flash the bat signal.
	I'll come and pick you up.
	Thank you very much.
	I appreciate the karma shot.
	You've got karma.
	That was really endearing.
	We'll calculate your knighthood for the next show.
	We don't have it for today.
	We have a sick Buzzkill Jr.
	who had to go back to bed.
	Oh, the noodles kid had to go back to bed.
	It didn't feel good.
	Kalen Nistor in Northville, Michigan.
	Mr.
	Nistor from Northville, Michigan.
	Around episode 100, a listener was trying to get your attention about phi, the golden ratio.
	It's worth learning about this amazing number, 1.618, to understand how it's linked to almost everything in the universe of ours.
	DNA, plants, astronomy, human anatomy, etc.
	Thanks for the count.
	I know about this.
	Isn't that Fibonacci?
	Is that what you call it?
	No, no, no.
	It's a very interesting ratio of things.
	It's a golden ratio.
	People use it in photography a lot.
	And credit cards have the golden ratio.
	Thanks for the countless hours of entertainment and kick-ass journalism.
	Please keep it coming.
	P.S. Have you seen the genetically modified salmon stories?
	Yes.
	Here's a link, and it goes on.
	Yeah, big giant salmon, they're going to eat everything.
	No, no, no.
	I mean, I am no longer eating salmon unless I've seen the bear that caught it, because they are, I mean, salmon is becoming the new tilapia.
	It's really, really disgusting.
	Why did they choose salmon specifically, John?
	Why do you think?
	Because it was always overpriced.
	People seemed to like it, even though I don't like farmed in any way, shape or form salmon.
	We get our salmon from a bunch of Indians in the Pacific Northwest, who in the off-season, when it's illegal to catch salmon, they still have the rights to catch salmon, and they do it, and then they sell it at the farmer's market, get good salmon.
	Although I think it's completely illegal the way they're doing it.
	Right.
	Anyway, came with 22222222222222.
	Sir Michael Miller and Tiburon over here.
	Hey, Michael.
	Welcome back, Adam and Mickey.
	Well, I've been suckling at the tit of the NA for too long.
	That's the next, that's Michael Hansen's.
	Oh.
	Michael Miller just says hi.
	He just says hi.
	Michael Hansen.
	There you go.
	In Mawa, New Jersey, $200 says, he's been sucking at the teat of No Agenda for too long.
	Not literally, of course.
	Adam would never get anything done.
	Yay!
	Hey!
	Just a few bucks to help keep the professors in the classroom.
	You know, they say you're lucky in life if you encounter a teacher who makes a lasting and influential impression.
	You guys are up there.
	I'm not sure I've earned the de-douching yet.
	We'll save that for next time.
	Cheers, Mike.
	Handsome.
	I think he's earned a dedouching.
	I don't understand why not.
	Give it to him.
	You've been dedouched.
	Can I slip one in here?
	I got an on-the-spot cash donation in Amsterdam from Sir Gene.
	Okay.
	$200.
	Oh, then he becomes an associate.
	Associate executive.
	He's working on his third knighthood.
	I might add.
	His third knighthood.
	So thank you very much, Sir Gene.
	That was great.
	And we blew it all at the market!
	You went to the market?
	Yeah, of course.
	You didn't buy food.
	Yeah, we had no food.
	Exactly.
	Actually, we couldn't even blow it all at the market.
	It's impossible.
	I mean, you can buy for a week, and you can spend...
	No, it's true.
	It's always fun around here, for example, to go to, like, the Mexican store, a Chinese 99 ranch, and you get all this stuff for very little money.
	You go to Safeway, and you go broke.
	Yeah.
	Shane Owens, Shepherdsville, Kentucky.
	200 bucks.
	Hello, Juan and Alexandro.
	Greetings from Gitmo Nation bourbon bud, Louisville, Kentucky.
	Love the show.
	Glad you folks haven't been droned yet.
	I figured it was time for a drunk donation.
	I've been drinking Jameson all night and I have to send you guys some cash.
	I'm all out of blankets of water.
	I'd like to call out Evan and Art and Daddy Justin as douchebags.
	Douchebag!
	I don't believe in karma.
	Sorry, give me a new shit has come to light.
	Chemtrails 2 to the head.
	New shit has come to...
	I've got information, man!
	New shit has come to light!
	Chemtrails!
	You've got karma.
	There you go.
	She doesn't believe in the karma, but that's good, too.
	This is our associate executive producer and executive producer for show 478.
	We're heading to our show 500.
	I want to remind everybody, I want to thank people for giving us some help on this show, and please continue to do so at NoAgendaNation.com, NoAgendaShow.com, Dvorak.org, which is the main donation page, and ChannelDvorak.com slash NA if somehow it's down.
	Does it go down ever?
	My site gets blocked once in a while, especially in places like Korea.
	Indeed.
	Thank you so much.
	Especially a long, nice list of associate executive producers.
	That's very nice to see.
	And of course, the Knights always showing up and helping us out.
	Thank you again.
	And of course, we do appreciate the propagation of our formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Shut up, slave.
	So I'm a little disappointed, John.
	In what?
	In you specifically.
	Okay.
	We had a show on Thursday, and I don't understand why you didn't alert me to the fact that the Miss USA contest was going to be on Saturday, because you and I would have obviously called New York as the winner because of Sir Superstorm Sandy.
	I mean, this was a shoot-in for us.
	Well, it could have been New Jersey.
	No.
	Well, we would have hedged.
	Well, I know what would have happened.
	It would have been an argument between the two of us, one pick in Jersey and one pick in New York, knowing that one of the two would win.
	And you would have won because I would have chosen for Jersey, of course.
	But now, even worse, so that's on last night, and I say to Millicent, I say, I don't need to watch.
	John will have clips.
	And then I'm looking at your clip list and did you even watch the show?
	No, I didn't know it was on.
	Oh my God!
	Are you okay?
	You must have the flu.
	No, there was the San Francisco Green Bay game on.
	I mean, I had no choice but to watch that.
	But you always watch the pageants.
	I do.
	I'm a big beauty pageant nut.
	Ah, this is really disappointing.
	Well, maybe I've been taking the Tamiflu.
	It makes you hallucinate.
	You should try mixing with some of that No Agenda moonshine.
	Try that.
	That might be a great combo.
	I got better clips.
	I was getting some great clips.
	There was a big confab, and I think it was the Brookings Institute had, on legalizing marijuana.
	And so I ended up getting a bunch of clips.
	I think I could have even over-clipped it, but there's this guy whose name is Michael Greves, and he's at George Mason University.
	He's a law professor.
	He's also in the American Enterprise Institute.
	He had some of the most interesting things to say, essentially, that the way everybody perceives the system is all completely wrong.
	There is no reason for any state...
	To enforce or do anything with any federal law.
	In fact, two states are right now in the process of opting out of the U.S. Code.
	And which states would those be?
	I haven't found out yet.
	One of these guys just mentioned it in passing, so I'm going to look into that.
	But here, let's take a look on, play grevs on states enforcing federal laws.
	This is a moment for people who like the show to actually learn something about your country.
	And no state has to enforce federal laws or prohibitions.
	By the way, not everyone who listens to the show lives in this country.
	No, I know, but we have 90% of the, okay, I'm sorry I said that, but 90% of our listeners do live in the United States.
	The other ones are usually expats or people that want to learn more about the United States and the federal system.
	There you go.
	And if I had kept this thing longer, this clip really went on for a while, it would have talked about the EU and how they tried to copy the federal system, although they're screwing it up.
	And this guy talks about that, too.
	And the fact is that, you know, we're somehow along the lines, we've got this in our heads, that federal law, Trump state law, In what universe is this?
	Although state courts, of course, are still required to do so.
	Now, it turns out that that sounds trivial, but I think it plays itself out in hugely important contexts, much more important in their own way than the marijuana context.
	So here's an example.
	Excuse me.
	One of these days, the Supreme Court will decide whether it wants to grant cert or not in the second go-around of a case called Bond v.
	United States.
	It arose over basically a marital dispute.
	She, wife, smeared a chemical on a doorknob and the car door of her rival.
	And this resulted in a thumb burn.
	And this woman was then prosecuted by state officials in Pennsylvania under a federal law that implements the Chemical Weapons Convention.
	It's called Bond v.
	United States.
	And the question in this case is whether the federal law is even constitutional.
	I don't think so, but the Third Circuit said yes.
	But even while saying yes, All of the judges on the Third Circuit said, what do you people there at the local level think when you enforce these kinds of federal laws?
	You don't have to.
	The reason why this matters is, you know, the Heritage Foundation has had an over-criminalization work There's something really sick about listening to a German tell me
	about my own country.
	Yeah.
	Well, I know it's a problem because, you know, you'd think other people would be thinking along the same lines.
	I mean, this guy is a law professor, very well known, apparently.
	Everyone always defers to him in this panel.
	And he's a libertarian, a self-proclaimed libertarian.
	And his basic thesis is that these federal laws, if the feds want to put federal laws out there, the feds should...
	Police them themselves because there's no reason that any state should enforce any federal law under any circumstances.
	I think we've talked about this before, but this is the exact reason why, with the guns conversation, no one is actually going towards repealing the Second Amendment.
	The Fourteenth Amendment is not being invoked for the debt ceiling.
	There's no talk about the 10th Amendment.
	And I think the reason why is that the citizenry of the United States has basically been tricked, been duped into believing that everything that Washington says is God and is law.
	And we don't really want to draw attention to the Constitution, so we just completely ignore it and pretend like it doesn't exist.
	I think that's the strategy.
	And, you know, the trillion-dollar coin is now also not going to happen because in no way do we want to draw any attention to what can and can't be done.
	It's just making it up.
	And the people really believe it's almost like that you can only vote for the one Republican or one Democrat candidate.
	The people really believe that at this point.
	No, they've been brainwashed.
	And I think why this is important, especially in the EU, is when the Belgian overlords tell the French that they can't use wood to put the goat cheese on anymore.
	Yeah.
	Remove your wood from my goat cheese!
	They can't have a wood plate.
	You have to use plastic.
	The French don't.
	I mean, if it's done properly, and I think this is true, these guys, and in Britain it's exactly the same problem.
	They don't have to.
	They can just say, screw it.
	We're just not going to enforce it.
	Bring your own police.
	Do you have police?
	Well, you've agreed to do this and you've agreed to do that.
	Well, hold on.
	Well, that's not entirely true because with every single step that they make there in the European Union, with every single new pact and compact, you know, remember we've had Herman Van Rumpoy literally saying there will be a pooling of sovereignty.
	So there they actually are drawing up the documents that remove the sovereignty of the states, they're already called states, and places that with Starfleet Command in Brussels.
	So they're actually drawing up the documents.
	Well, that's because these guys are agreeing to it.
	I think the point that this guy makes is that the states don't have to, like he says...
	Enforce federal law?
	No.
	It's not their job.
	They've got their own laws to enforce.
	But here's what's interesting about this marijuana debate.
	Some Dutch guy, and by the way, he was later referred to as the guy from the UN by one of the other panelists, and I thought that was peculiar.
	Some Dutch guy brought up this very unusual, that I've never heard before and none of the panelists have heard before, but Greves does have a comment about it.
	Thank you.
	My name is H.P. Schenemacher.
	I'm from one of those governments that you mentioned, the Netherlands.
	I think the context was even the Netherlands.
	I was going to say that the United States is rapidly becoming a more liberal country than the Netherlands on issues as gay marriage but also as legalizing marijuana because we only decriminalize it and not legalize it, as was rightly mentioned.
	But I would like the panel to address the international implications a little more.
	When the federal government would decide to leave these states, leave the acts and the states in the books, because it's a clear violation of international obligations by the United States.
	They ratified several treaties which don't allow for legalization in any way of marijuana.
	If the United States decides not to enforce these acts and these international obligations, what would the effects abroad be?
	You've always asked other countries to obey by these international treaties.
	If you stop doing that yourself, could that mean that eventually other countries that produce the drugs decide not to live up to their treaty obligations?
	And what kind of effect would that have?
	So I'd like you to address that.
	Thank you.
	That is actually a very good question.
	That was a good question, I have to say.
	From the Dutch guy.
	They all kind of trailed in, but Graves, the law professor, had the most interesting answer.
	Which clip is that?
	Graves on Treaty.
	Thank you.
	Happens with these international...
	He's usually right, in my experience.
	Yeah, unfortunately, in this case, he probably is.
	So what happens?
	Well, I don't know the specifics of the treaties at issue, right?
	But this is, in fact, another one of these sort of federalism issues that you mentioned at the beginning that will come to the forefront.
	Absolutely.
	Our international obligations, by and large, don't bind the states.
	It's true of our consular obligations even, and it is true in this regard too.
	That is to say, if we, the United States, bind ourselves internationally, Not to decriminalize marijuana that'll bind the federal government but the state governments are the state governments and the answer to foreign countries unless there's something in the treaties that we committed to, the answer is sorry.
	I would like to know what, and this is what bothers me about this conversation, is no one's telling me what treaty.
	Because this is exactly what happens on any media except the best podcast in the universe.
	And what I like to do is say, oh yeah, what is the treaty?
	Give me the number, I'll go read it, I'll go see what is in it, and then I will see if it was ratified by the Senate or not.
	And we ratify very few UN treaties.
	It was a treaty that was done in 1972, apparently, and I think the number is available.
	It may be mentioned specifically in the Bolivia clip, which apparently was brought by one of the other panelists.
	Bolivia has said, regarding this exact same treaty, that they're just going to renege on the cocaine thing, and they're going to grow as much coke as they feel like, and they think the treaty is bogative.
	The 1972 treaty binds 184 countries.
	And there is precedent now, I think there might be, of one, was it a Latin American country that denounced the resolutions and then they immediately reiterated it was a reservation about coca.
	Bolivia.
	Libyan coca leave.
	So there is some precedent that goes through, and there's no objection to that, that the U.S. could...
	The U.S. has objected, but it will go through.
	But what could happen is the U.S. could essentially do the same thing, could denounce that resolution and immediately re-ratify with a reservation about marijuana.
	So there is some...
	If this follows...
	Not as though we are in completely uncharted territory.
	Sure.
	I think it's time to point out here for a moment that none of this can be legalized because this is the business of the government.
	The government is in the cocaine smuggling and sales business.
	The government is in the marijuana business.
	This is a different track, and that I would say is accurate.
	We should be going to these forums, John, and we should have a session in the next room.
	And we'd have all these hoity-toity guys, the German guy, the Dutch guy, and then we'd be next door and the conference would be, hookers and blow make the world go round.
	Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak.
	And we should just stand there and just tell people what's really going on.
	Yeah, banks.
	Yeah, and the banks are laundering the money.
	Because they're wasting their time in this conversation.
	Because it's all just imaginary.
	Imaginary.
	Like, oh yeah, we'll do what the UN says.
	Oh yeah, we'll do what Washington says.
	Just imaginary.
	So the only other little tidbit that I thought was really great in this conference was this rhetorical question, which was asked again by Greves of a guy who was a U.S. attorney in Colorado who was against the legalization in Colorado, and he's beside himself.
	He actually had a lot of great stories to tell, the Colorado guy, about how they don't enforce, how the feds are afraid to come into states and enforce stuff.
	But this question is the one that I think kind of touches on part of what you just said, but it's kind of interesting.
	It's just an interesting, another question I've never heard before.
	Is this aiding and abetting?
	Yeah.
	Can I just ask Troy two questions that maybe sound paranoid?
	Have we rocked on the moon?
	Local officials that assist the dispensaries or whatever they're called in these states in sort of setting up these things and how to stay clear of state law prohibitions.
	Is that aiding and abetting under federal law?
	And the other, I mean, along the same lines or similar lines, and this just shows I'm a paranoid libertarian, suppose these dispensaries and, you know, legitimate enterprises under state law put their money, their business accounts, with some bank.
	Could the Treasury then come along and say, tell you what, you're in violation of 15 federal laws aiding and abetting criminal enterprises, but if you buy the next countrywide, we'll make it go away.
	I think the answer is yes and yes.
	That's very funny.
	Yeah.
	So he could come to our session, obviously.
	Step next door, my friend.
	You'd be perfect for our session.
	You'd be better in our session anyway.
	Ah, interesting.
	Yeah, I thought so.
	I like it.
	I like it.
	Let me see.
	I... Well, this was kind of funny.
	Just catching up with some U.S. news here.
	Employees around the country are cashing in their first paycheck of the new year and they're feeling the pinch.
	Every employee in America started paying the 2% higher payroll taxes of January the 1st.
	I love this.
	I love how no one covered this during the fiscal cliff, and there was just 2% payroll tax that was being retired, which was an Obama cut and an Obama retirement.
	And everyone's like, what?
	What?
	2% is more than you think.
	2% can really hurt.
	President's show this morning, his little YouTube show there, just chuckled.
	It was basically all the same things.
	Now he's just going into repetition mode, like, you know, we're going to...
	Solve climate change.
	We're going to protect children from the horror of gun violence, which I just love.
	This is new.
	Protect children from the horror of gun violence.
	But he kind of starts it off with something funny.
	Hi, everybody.
	Kyle!
	This week I welcome President Hamid Karzai to the White House to discuss the way ahead in Afghanistan.
	And today I want to update you on how we will end this war...
	That's all I needed to hear.
	Hey, hey, hey, Heil Obama, do you have a little update on how we're going to end this war?
	Who says that?
	Who is like, hello nation, Heil, update here on how we're going to end the war.
	This is total insanity.
	Total insanity from this man.
	But where really, what really got my goat...
	Is Vice President O'Biden.
	And so, you know, he is just so loving this, by the way.
	He's loving the attention.
	Finally, he's in the picture because he has to deliver the recommendations to the president on how we're going to make sure this never happens again.
	If we can only save one child with all the things we're going to do with gun violence, just one, and that will be enough.
	And, of course, when we look at the Sandy Hook occurrence, we really have zero visual evidence.
	Zero.
	Just absolutely zero visual evidence.
	But, of course, we have Vice President O'Biden to give that to us.
	And when I heard him do this, you know, it just makes my skin crawl.
	In all my years, you know, There is nothing that has pricked the consciousness of the American people.
	There is nothing that has gone to the heart of the matter more than the visual image people have of little six-year-old kids riddled.
	Not shot in a straight ball.
	Riddled.
	Riddled.
	So here's the Vice President saying there's nothing that pricks the imagination of people more than the visual image of little six-year-olds riddled, not shot, riddled, riddled with bullets.
	There is no visual image.
	No one has seen this.
	This is based purely on the crazy reportage of the medical examiner.
	But listen to it again.
	He is programming people's brains with this.
	Go kids, riddled.
	Riddled.
	Not shot.
	Riddled.
	I mean just riddled.
	Riddled.
	Shot to shreds!
	This is really, really, really dangerous what's going on here.
	The bullet holes.
	Bullet holes!
	In their classroom.
	In their classroom.
	And the public demands we speak to it.
	I'm not sure that we can guarantee this will never happen again.
	As the president said, even if what we do only saves one life.
	One life.
	No matter what you do, as long as it saves one life.
	I think this is how we should be setting policy for everything in America.
	As long as it can save one life, we should implement the law.
	It makes sense.
	And I think we should ban skiing.
	We could do a great deal without it anyway.
	Imposing on or impinging on.
	Now, wait for him...
	Listen to how he addresses the media, because this, of course, is a media event.
	...rights of the Second Amendment, the Second Amendment guarantees.
	That's what this is about.
	I thank you all for being here, and now, with your permission and the permission of the press, we can get down to some business here, and I thank the press for...
	Now, with the permission of the press, if I can please have permission from the press, and I thank the press...
	For propagating my riddled formula.
	It's very, very frightening, but not quite as frightening as the 20 minutes of Anderson, Vanderbilt, Pooper, who closed the Matrix.
	Officially, John, as of what I saw...
	Was it Saturday night?
	The Matrix is complete.
	The Matrix is closed.
	There is people who still watch mainstream media news or mainstream media in general, but certainly if they get their information and news from there, I'm sorry they can no longer be helped and they will just have to fall by the wayside.
	If they stumble upon the best podcast in the universe or if they get interested somehow and start listening and they get on board, then they're lucky.
	But I think most people who are now still in the Matrix there, blue pill, I guess, that they're lost.
	And he did 20 minutes.
	And I had ignored this story because I just wanted to like, you know, okay, I hear what the guy's saying.
	There's a professor at a Florida State University, professor of media communication sciences, and he wrote a blog post.
	Very similar to what I said in the conversation you and I had, that there is no real evidence of any of this that went down the way the media has portrayed it.
	And he was actually, in a very scholarly fashion, hedging the way he said it.
	But of course, if you take it out of context, it's like...
	He said it never happened!
	It was actors!
	He's insane!
	But he wrote...
	And this went around the blogosphere a little bit.
	People were sending me the link, etc.
	But now Anderson Pooper decides to do 20 minutes...
	20 minutes with experts about this guy's blog post.
	And I've distilled that 20 minutes down to 1, 2, 3, 5 clips of much shorter length, of about a minute each.
	But you have to listen to what is happening as you hear the door of the Matrix closing shut behind us.
	This is proof.
	This is Anderson Pooper.
	And I'll let it play, but you'll be the one stopping the clips today, John.
	It's unbelievable when you hear this.
	Good evening, everyone.
	We begin tonight, keeping them honest, with a story that is frankly hard to believe.
	You're going to want to sit down for this one.
	Nearly one month to the day...
	I'm sorry.
	Are you sitting down, John?
	You're going to want to sit down.
	I don't think anybody's really standing up when they're watching this show, are they?
	But he's about to keep them honest, so you need to make sure that you're sitting down.
	Yeah, keeping them honest.
	Keeping them honest.
	...of the horrific shootings in Newtown, Connecticut, in which 26 people were killed, including 20 children.
	Tonight, we expose a number of people who are claiming that the Sandy Hook shootings were staged.
	Now, there are always conspiracy theorists lurking online who come up with some horrifically outrageous claims.
	LURKING! Normally, we would not dignify these kind of claims with our airtime.
	These claims are obviously sickening to many in Newtown who have spent the past four weeks crying and consoling, burying friends and family members, trying to figure out how to restart their lives.
	As I said, normally we wouldn't even mention these conspiracy theories.
	But it turns out one of the people Who's peddling one version of this conspiracy theory is actually a tenured associate professor at Florida Atlantic University.
	I just want to stop this for a second.
	Do you think that because it's a professor, a tenured professor at a university in Florida, that that should really be the reason for Anderson Pooper to throw out his morals of not propagating conspiracy theories and never, ever, ever talking about it?
	Do you think that this is a valid reason, John?
	Well, it is if you want to make sure that the academics shut up.
	Now, what you end up with, what you have in many of these situations when somebody's slightly naive about how the Internet works and the kind of blowback you can get from doing certain things a certain way.
	A lot of people don't understand how nasty it can be.
	And we've tried to train most of them so they just shut up.
	And do their thing and they don't get bothered by anything.
	So this professor comes out of the blue thinking that he might actually, you know, might encourage some free thinking.
	Ah!
	You mean the kind of stuff that goes on at universities?
	Well, it actually doesn't go on in universities that much, but it does go on to some extent within certain realms.
	But he obviously stepped outside whatever boundaries there were, and he had to be slapped back hard, which is the reason for this being 20 minutes, by the way, because it seems to me that if Pooper is doing exactly what he says he's doing, which is ignoring these crazy conspiracies, I agree.
	Why bring this guy up unless it was just like the system trying to shove this guy back into his cage and get back to work, idiot?
	State University that gets taxpayer money.
	His name is...
	Hold on a second.
	Now this is the kind of thing that Rush Limbaugh and these guys you'd bring up.
	Oh, the use of taxpayers' money.
	Now we got this coming from him?
	Uh-huh.
	Oh, that's a good one.
	Good switcheroo.
	Oh, the Matrix door just closed a little bit more.
	James Tracy.
	This is a picture of him.
	This is what he looks like.
	By the way, let's shame him.
	Here's a picture.
	Look at the picture.
	Look at the picture of the guy.
	We're going to make him look stupid.
	James Tracy is his name.
	James Tracy.
	Remember the name.
	He claims the shooting did not happen as reported and may not have happened at all.
	Here's what he wrote on his personal blog, and I quote, Now, of course, he's quoting out of context, and, you know, because the guy, I've read his, really, they're just pulling pieces of sentences out.
	The guy hedged it on all sides.
	One is left to inquire whether the Sandy Hook shooting ever took place, at least in the way law enforcement authorities and the nation's news media have described.
	Tracy makes the case, if you want to call it that, that news organizations and the government...
	You want to call it that?
	Oh, it gets better.
	Wait until you hear what Pooper is going to say in a minute.
	...may have worked together to dupe you, the public, in order to gain support for gun control laws.
	He even is suggesting that the government may have hired trained crisis actors to aid in this ruse.
	That's right, trained crisis actors.
	He's not convinced the parents whose children were killed are really who they say they are.
	In his blog, Tracy, again, a professor, suggests they may have been, and I quote, trained actors working under the direction of state and federal authorities and in coordination with cable and broadcast network talent to provide tailor-made crisis acting, end quote.
	Tracy even cites a company called Crisis Actors that provides actors to use in safety drills and the like.
	Apparently, that is supposed to bolster his case.
	Now, when a local reporter caught up with Tracy and asked him about this outrage, his theories might trigger, here's what he said.
	Listen.
	You had 20 families that were mourning that buried children.
	Are you concerned about that at all?
	Well, I think that the entire country mourned about Sandy Hook.
	And yet, once again, the investigation that journalistic institutions should have actually carried out never took place as far as I'm concerned.
	I think that we need to, as a society, look at things more carefully.
	Perhaps we, as a society, have been conditioned to be duped.
	So, now, of course, the catching the guy in the hallway, he's got his book bag on his shoulder, I mean, just to make it even worse.
	But, of course, he's saying something that we talk about all the time, that, you know, society has been trained to be duped by the media into all types of things.
	You would agree with that assessment, right?
	That's just part of our thesis on this show.
	Now, listen to how Pooper comes out of this.
	Now, I don't even really know what that means, what he is saying, what the words coming out of his mouth mean.
	Really?
	Anderson Cooper doesn't know what the words coming out of his mouth mean?
	I mean, seriously?
	Well, if you're going to play that game, yeah, that's what you'd say.
	To suggest that reporters on the ground didn't work to find out what happened there on the ground is beyond crazy.
	It's beyond crazy!
	To suggest that reporters were not doing their job is beyond crazy!
	Ladies and gentlemen.
	Everybody asks questions, but that's what we do.
	Journalism isn't a perfect science, of course.
	But to suggest that somehow means the shootings didn't happen, that 20 children weren't killed, that families didn't suffer and aren't still suffering, is beyond comprehension and obviously deeply offensive to many.
	Yeah.
	So...
	He's going to bring in some experts, but he has to...
	You know, the only thing I can think of is, you do doth protesteth too much, me thinketh.
	You know, this is like, wow, I mean, do we really have to go to these extremes?
	Yeah, no, I think that's kind of the giveaway.
	There's no reason for it.
	If you think the guy's just a crackpot...
	Just say he's a crackpot.
	Say he's a crackpot and ignore him.
	I mean, that's what you normally do.
	No, no, no.
	Why is this guy more dangerous?
	And, you know, to be honest about it, if I was on the other side of this and I was on the Anderson keeping him on his side, that's exactly what I'd do.
	I would not play this up unless I was trying to draw attention to it.
	Maybe actually, maybe Cooper is like sick of this and he's actually drawing attention to it for a reason and then making it look as good.
	I don't think that's true.
	No.
	So they try to terrorize this guy.
	They post outside his house.
	This is bullying, by the way.
	This is huge bullying.
	Quote, Anderson.
	So, I know you also asked the president of...
	By the way, what is he a professor of?
	Like, media studies or something?
	Yes, yes.
	In communications.
	In the Department of Communications.
	That is correct.
	So he would know about this bullcrap.
	Well, so instead of he would know about this bullcrap, Anderson throws it the other way and says...
	Interesting, the guy who's in the Department of Communications does not want to communicate to...
	Oh, I love that.
	I love it how he does that.
	The media, or address this in the media at all, when you ask the president of this college, of this university, FAU, about it, what did she tell you?
	Were they standing by him?
	Of course.
	What would the president of the university say, John?
	He likes to say, he said college first to demean it.
	Oh, yeah.
	Good one.
	I hadn't even caught that.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Right.
	We talked to President Mary Jane Saunders.
	Mary Jane, code name for marijuana.
	And they are clearly distancing themselves from Professor Tracy.
	We want to make it very clear that he was speaking as an individual.
	He was not speaking in his role as a professor at FAU, and the university has a very different statement about the shootings, the terrible tragedy that took place in Newtown, Canada.
	Why should they have a statement at all?
	The university does not support this position, and I personally am heartbroken about the additional stress to these families at this time.
	Heartbroken.
	Now, there's no word on what the university could or would do, Anderson.
	He is a tenured professor, as you mentioned, and in fact, the blog that he writes on is not in any way affiliated with the university.
	People are free to express themselves as they want, but I think if he's a legitimate presser, he should be willing to defend his statements.
	And again, I just want to reread what he said on his personal watch.
	He doesn't have to do crap that you want, Anderson.
	So I'll cut this off.
	So now we've got to bring in some experts.
	And this is one of the experts.
	I know because I interviewed one of the experts.
	But first he brings in some douche from Salon Magazine.
	So, you know, you should...
	How is that an expert?
	He's a writer.
	Because he's been, according to Anderson, he's been following this from day one.
	So he's just a shill douche.
	Some guy with double, I forget his name, with a double name.
	Alex cites Walt, who did the early reporting, who got the early script on this story, which is where we initially heard this stuff.
	Also, Jonathan Kaye of the National Post, an author of Among the Truthers.
	Remember I interviewed that guy?
	Among the Truthers.
	Yeah, and so he actually works for an anti-Muslim think tank in Washington, D.C. And all conspiracy theories, according to him, is about the Jews.
	Everything he says, oh, they just want to hate the Jews!
	Journey through America's growing conspiracist underground.
	So, Alex, it's hard for me to wrap my mind around these theories.
	It's not like they're coming just from one person or group.
	I mean, there are websites, YouTube videos, blog posts, all devoted to these absurd theories.
	Absurd!
	Yeah, I mean, there's really a surprising universe out there.
	If you Google Emily Parker's name, the girl you mentioned who the conspiracy theorists think is actually alive, the very first result that comes up, at least when I Googled it, was a conspiracy website.
	Now, this is very important because I think that this is a new meme.
	And this will be used for Google to start filtering things out.
	Because, of course, it's an outrage when you Google for a dead girl's name that a conspiracy website comes up.
	You watch.
	This is going to happen that Google will be filtering out things.
	Entire network addresses will be filtered out because they don't represent the new normal and the truth of keeping them honest.
	One of the most polished, professional-looking videos was produced by a 9-11 truther company.
	They produced a video after 9-11 that got a lot of attention.
	This one kind of ties it all together, and I just checked a few minutes ago.
	It has almost 200,000 views on YouTube.
	Alex Jones, you know, who...
	I went off against Piers Morgan the other night.
	His website has a whole community forum section where there are just dozens and dozens and dozens of postings about these things.
	And if you just Google Sandy Hook Hoax, you can find all kinds of things out there.
	So, I mean, this is a real strain within the movement out there, you know, these paranoid people who think the government is coming to snatch their guns.
	And I mean, what's, you know, this is not, I mean, we, we, we, off, you know, camera, we talk.
	What was that?
	This is stuttering.
	Oh, yeah.
	To a number of families today who didn't even want to come on camera because they are too upset about this to even address this.
	The fact that Emily Park...
	Yeah, they didn't want to come on, because they're actors.
	If they Google her name, or anyone who knew Emily Parker Googles her name, and the first thing that would come up would be this sickening conspiracy theory based on the fact that her sister...
	Wore the same dress that Emily Parker had once worn in a photograph to meet with President Obama.
	I mean, that is just adding insult to...
	No, no, no.
	What's sick is putting a so-called sister in the dead sister's dress.
	That's what's sick.
	But maybe it's just me.
	Injury.
	Jonathan, why do we see conspiracy theories pop up in the wake of tragedies like this?
	Is that people...
	I mean, can't wrap their mind around something, why this would happen?
	Or is it just simply linked to the whole idea that these are people who believe the government is trying to take their guns and this is just a way that they're trying to take guns?
	Here it comes.
	Conspiracy theories are explanations for evil.
	And generally speaking, people hate the idea of random evil.
	They like the idea that evil...
	What?
	When did this guy go from being unmiked and now he's in a bucket?
	What happened?
	No, so the other guy is the salon guy.
	This is the guy who wrote the truth.
	So he's in a bucket talking through his microphone on his Mac laptop.
	Yeah, he's on Skype, exactly.
	And instead of doing it professionally, he's all back away.
	But the whole point is he's just going to say it's about the Jews.
	All of people, whether it's, who knows, whether it's Jews or Muslims.
	Oh, there he goes, Jews or Muslims.
	So...
	So now Pooper has to take it a little bit further, and he's going to ask this expert about the different kinds of conspiracy theorists, John.
	And I think he nails it.
	In fact, it says exactly what you just said.
	You divide conspiracy theorists into kind of two canons, cranks and firebrands.
	What's the difference?
	Cranks and firebrands, whatever that is.
	Well, the firebrands tend to be the young folk.
	I mean, the ones that you see, sometimes 9-11 on the anniversary, you'll see these people marching, the so-called 9-11 truth movement.
	They tend to be young people.
	You often see them on university campuses.
	Oh, you mean like students, people whose minds are expanding and don't necessarily watch the propaganda that you are putting into their heads.
	Cranks tend to be older types.
	Ooh, hold on, Joe.
	Hello.
	That'd be me.
	No, I think it's actually me.
	People in their 40s and 50s, often they're college professors.
	College professors!
	They're all crazy!
	They're crazy cranks!
	Often they're computer scientists, often people with a very technical frame of mind who are drawn to these very intricate conspiracy theories.
	And they have butt cracks.
	I know them!
	They're cis-admins.
	They're almost always men, for reasons that I explain in my books.
	And often these are very mild-mannered individuals.
	For instance, one of the leaders of the 9-11 conspiracy movement was a teacher, a professor in California named David Ray Griffin, a very mild-mannered professorial guy who's actually a theologian.
	And these people are drawn to the movement.
	Usually they're very intelligent and they love the idea that they're unrepresentative.
	Well, there you go.
	So it's obviously, we're crazy, you know, and mild-mannered, intelligent people who are often at the intelligence level of college professor are conspiracy theorists.
	Can I ask a question here, since you saw this thing, I didn't see it?
	Yeah.
	I would assume that because he's discussing this, the professor and all the rest of it, that he showed that clip Of Emily's dad yucking it up and then getting into acting mode and crying on the camera?
	No, that would be crazy.
	Everybody who's familiar with this argument has seen that clip.
	So he showed it, right?
	No, he did not.
	Oh.
	Keeping them honest.
	Well, anyway, so to wind this up, Anderson is now going to deconstruct how absurd it is to think that there could ever be a conspiracy between government and the media.
	Has he ever read it?
	Has he ever heard of the Reichstag?
	Has he ever picked up a history book in his life?
	Has he ever heard the Maine?
	It's unconscionable.
	The Gulf of Tompkin?
	He's never heard of any of these things?
	No, it does not exist.
	MKUltra, none of this.
	It's completely Operation Gladio.
	None of this stuff.
	It never has happened in the world, in the entire universe of history.
	The thing, Alex, that I find idiotic about a lot of these conspiracy theories is, you know, nothing remains secret for very long.
	So it's not as if, I mean, the government can't keep, you know, things that are actually classified information secret.
	Well, yeah, they can.
	Like, for instance, you know, why it's legal to kill people with drones.
	That's being kept secret.
	The kill list itself, that's being kept secret.
	So the government...
	A legal document somewhere that is being kept secret that gives the president authorization to kill Americans.
	Yes, to kill them.
	We haven't seen that.
	No.
	They won't release it.
	It's secret, and I think they're doing a good job of keeping that pretty secret.
	I think they're doing a good job.
	What he means is that sometime around 50, 60, 75 years from now, it will be revealed.
	Yes, exactly.
	...about a lot of these conspiracy theories is, you know, nothing remains secret for very long.
	So it's not as if...
	I mean, the government...
	Anderson Cooper, you kept your homosexuality secret for five years before you finally copped to it.
	What are you talking about?
	Can't keep, you know, things that are actually classified information secret from very long.
	There's so many people who leak stuff.
	So the idea that somehow, like, the news media is in cahoots with the government and that there were secret meetings to hire crisis actors to get them there, I mean, it's just...
	So I like this because there's secret meetings all the time.
	There's always meetings going on at the White House.
	Rachel Maddow, Reverend Sharpton, everyone's showing up.
	Everyone's at the Christmas parties.
	There's meetings all the time with the media that we're not told about.
	But, of course, Anderson actually makes a mistake here.
	Where he, and this is my big finale, he makes a mistake where he actually reveals that he knows what really happened.
	So ludicrous.
	Did you notice a common, I mean, was there a common strain when you were looking into these conspiracy theories regarding Sandy Hook?
	Yeah, there absolutely is.
	At least the vast majority of them.
	And there's different variations, whether it was directly an Obama administration plot or agents loosely tied with the liberal movement or even George Soros.
	The common thread among all of these is that the tragedy was a false flag operation in order to make the country willing to give up their guns.
	So, in other words, this tragedy would happen and then we would have a discussion about gun control as we are now.
	This is exactly what happened.
	This is exactly what happened.
	And then it would lay the groundwork for the government to come in and take guns, possibly for some kind of future, you know, tyrannical regime.
	And, I mean, Jonathan, did...
	I guess the Internet has kind of allowed all this stuff to kind of ignite in a way that it never has before.
	I mean, there have always been conspiracy theories.
	It goes back for very long.
	This has just allowed more isolated people to find each other, right?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	One of the chapters in my book, I talk about how the internet has turbocharged the conspiracy theory movement, because the big challenge for conspiracy theorists used to be getting the word out, because respectable journalists wouldn't touch their stories.
	But now, conspiracy theorists, usually they don't even bother And they can create their own little echo chambers of paranoid individuals who all share the same distress.
	And by the way, just to correct something, it is true that the majority of the Sandy Hook conspiracy theories revolve around the idea of gun control, but there is a large contingent that believe that this was somehow an Israeli false flag operation.
	Ah, Jews.
	On press TV, which is a...
	That guy is Jews!
	It's always about the Jews.
	Why would the Israelis...
	How did the Israelis get involved in this?
	Notice what he's saying.
	Instead of why, what he said, how did?
	He changed that.
	Did you know, this is not the thing I want to point out, but this is something I just noticed.
	Anderson went from, instead of, because the correct question would be, why would someone bring in the Jews?
	Instead, he says, how did they get involved?
	Oh, shit.
	Hold on.
	Let me back it up a little more.
	There's a large contingent that believe that this was somehow an Israeli false flag operation.
	Press TV, which is an Iranian-controlled...
	Why would the Israelis...
	How did the Israelis get involved in this?
	See, that was interesting, wasn't it?
	He was like, hey, wait, why the hell?
	Well, the idea is that it was a Mossad operation, and it's the same people who believe that Anders Breivik was actually secretly somehow a Mossad agent.
	These are people who have identified...
	Talk about cranks!
	evil in the universe.
	They've picked who they're evildoers.
	They think it's the Jews.
	And now I don't know where my frickin' payoff went.
	This is dumb.
	Your payoff is not there.
	I don't know.
	Maybe we talked over it.
	At a certain point, Pooper says, how crazy is it to think that actors were used as government officials at Sandy Hook?
	And I thought that was kind of telling because no one has actually said that specifically that talked about the parents.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	Yeah, I must have talked over it.
	We're not looking into any of this.
	We're not even supposed to be covering this.
	Unfortunately, I have a couple of clips.
	Can I just wrap this up?
	Yeah, wrap it up and I'll go on to mine.
	Alright, so I'll just wrap it up by saying that on January 17th, there will be another drill...
	Never mind.
	I'm going to leave it in the show notes.
	Why do we have all these drills?
	This is going to be a co-op in downtown Chicago.
	Here's the situation.
	This is from a document that was sent to me, and the exact wordage from our producer was, I don't see anywhere on the document that says that it's classified in a manner that I can't send it to you.
	Here it is.
	Reference Chicago District Community of Operations, Continuity of Operations Plan.
	Situation.
	Downtown Chicago has been hit with cyber terrorism, resulting in limited communications.
	The Federal Executive Board will be conducting a co-op exercise on the 16th of January 2013 with FEMA. Federal Emergency Management Agency, supporting as the control cell for the FEB. Each participating federal agency reacts by moving their command and control to their continuity of operation site to ensure continuation of essential operations.
	So all I'm saying is, let's be on the lookout for the 16th, Wednesday, Chicago cyber operation.
	Now Chicago, of course, is where the commodities exchange is housed.
	So there could be a number of things.
	But whenever they do a drill, you always got to be looking out.
	So I would say we should be on the lookout for that.
	So just as a few follow-ups, I thought the most ludicrous...
	Yeah, we are on the lookout.
	I put in the red book.
	Wait, you have a green book, too?
	No, I don't have a green book.
	I don't know why I said green book.
	Maybe it was a...
	Hey, keeping them honest, sounds like you got a green book.
	So here's the dumbest clip.
	And then I'll get to some funnier clips, including, and then some insightful clips, but it's all kind of a follow-up to what you just did.
	But let's start off with the M.A. foes not want to clip, which I thought was just like, what?
	What, really?
	In the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary shootings, Massachusetts has removed violent arcade games from its highway service plazas.
	it has taken the action of a concern that residents from neighboring Connecticut may be offended by those games.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Don't offend me!
	Tipping Point!
	You guys are heartless by keeping those stupid arcade games there.
	It's unbelievable.
	To Tipping Point!
	So luckily on C-SPAN, there was a long discussion of this woman who talked about violent video games.
	And she had a lot...
	This is kind of a fast-talking woman who wrote a book on the topic, and she apparently is an expert on the subject.
	So I have two clips.
	First, I have the Violent Video Games Part 1 clip, which discusses kind of the overview of, you know, the studies that have been done on violent video games.
	And here's the reason I first clipped these, because I'll ask you this question.
	What is being attacked right now, given two possibilities?
	You have violent video games.
	Yes, which is the industry that Hollywood hates the most because they eat up most of their money.
	And you have Hollywood, which has more violence than anyone.
	And it's realistic because it's done realistically.
	It's not a game.
	It's good work.
	So which of the two are they attacking?
	Yes.
	Well, Hollywood, of course, is going, as far as I'm concerned, continually attacking violent video games.
	Yes!
	And they also supported Obama administration in a big way.
	Yes.
	And so no one's saying anything about them.
	No!
	In fact...
	And they're going after these violent video games.
	So let's play a couple of things and we can all learn about violent video games and their effect on the human side.
	Wait a minute.
	First, I've got to do this.
	What we do is you don't have to C-spin Yeah, this is what we do.
	you you Part one.
	A million dollar plus research on this while you're at Harvard, and you have basically inconclusive evidences to the exact relationship between violence and video games.
	So where did the vice president get his information from to say that you can't necessarily put, you know, point A leads to point B? Well, it's basically that there's no proven...
	For example, my study found that when you look at kids playing M-rated games, the more M-rated games they play, the more likely they were to say that they've bullied others or gotten into fights.
	But when we've also factored in things like parent supervision, stressful life events, and especially aggressive personality, that relationship kind of went away.
	And other research that he's looking at, I think, has also been equivocal.
	The stuff that has tended to support a link that was used in past cases, including California's law that was struck down by the Supreme Court, looked at mostly college students taking Psych 101, doing little lab experiments that measured pretty much competitiveness.
	And then some people would make a leap between that and real-world violence, and I personally don't agree with that.
	Shut up already!
	Science!
	Now, so the key one is, and this actually relates back to Anderson Cooper on the thing you just played about, you know, the media being somehow involved in all this.
	I think this part two of this violent video games clip says it all.
	Then I want to pick up on that.
	Let's use a common sense approach here.
	Do you believe that if we didn't have as many violent video games, there might not be as many of these violent acts in the public domain?
	Well, that's a tough question, because from what I understand, across the years, school shootings have not gone up.
	I guess some of them have been bigger, but it's stayed pretty consistent, and we know that since the mid-1990s, as access to violent games has gone way up, if you have a kid, you know that, youth violence has gone down.
	So, and these are such rare events.
	What's really gone up is the coverage of the events.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Right on.
	Absolutely.
	It's the coverage of the events, which is pretty poor.
	Now, so in the follow-up to that, I have actually two what I think are kind of interesting clips because they're trying to keep Piers Morgan in the game.
	And so Piers Morgan showed up on the BBC Newsnight.
	Oh, gloating.
	Well, he's trying.
	They're giving it to him.
	And a good example is this, the guns part one clip.
	I don't play much of it, but I think you can see where this is going to head by this question.
	You know, what happens here affects me and my life and that of my family.
	And the guns issue here is now, I think, so dangerous and so out of control that something has to give.
	And if I can help frame the debate in a way that's constructive to getting new gun control legislation, then great.
	But framing the debate in a way that was constructive, you were telling gun proponents they were stupid.
	Oh yeah, so it's very obvious what's going to happen.
	Someone's going to take a shot at him.
	That's going to have to happen if he wants to maintain ratings.
	Yeah, it has to happen.
	So the guy goes after him pretty consistently, and Pierce is going on and on.
	And I think the real conclusion was what this guy suggests in clip two.
	And then Pierce kind of avoids answering the question per se, but I think this pretty much summarizes where this is headed.
	Which you can put a hundred bullets in, which can fire in less than a minute.
	They're just killing machines.
	Sure, but people will understand the arguments.
	But everybody will understand the arguments, particularly over here.
	They understand exactly what you're saying, but you're now a political activist.
	You're not a journalist, are you?
	I don't mind what you call me.
	I'm very comfortable with what I'm doing, and I'm going to continue doing it.
	If it makes me popular or unpopular, it isn't really the point.
	It's what I believe in.
	Yeah.
	Could you just put that in the book, John, that someone's going to take a pop at them?
	Yeah, okay.
	Do you think it'll hit home?
	Do you think he or any of his family will be injured?
	I don't think so.
	I doubt it.
	I doubt it, too.
	I think it's just going to, you know...
	That's painful.
	If you're going to pull that stunt off, you're going to want to get hit.
	I mean, I know he's got a great contract, but wow, to go through that, to take a slug for the contract is a good deal.
	No, I'm not going to take one for the team.
	So I do want to put one more thing into the book here, and then we need to thank some people.
	I've been really closely observing the National Rifle Association, the NRA, in this debate.
	And I am going to tell you right now, these guys are on the same team.
	The NRA is not your gun friend.
	And, you know, they got like $150 million a year.
	I mean, really, this is the big, scary organization.
	That's peanuts these days if you want to get something done.
	You can't get anything done with that kind of money.
	And the chairman, you know, he makes about a little under a million dollars a year.
	You know how I look at all these non-profit Form 990s and stuff.
	So that's an exorbitant salary for a non-profit, and that's because he's an actor.
	He's a very well-paid actor, and I think these guys are actually working in concert, in concert, I tell you, to help take away the guns.
	And in fact, not only are they doing that, but they're actually working to now create this crazy list.
	So we're going to have a nationwide, I think 30 states already have it, but if you've ever been prescribed any type of antidepressant, which is a large segment of the slaves, then you will not be allowed to have a gun.
	No one in your house will be able to have a gun.
	And of course, we're also going to misuse that list later on for a whole bunch of other things.
	You know, you won't be able to opt out at the airport.
	You know, you'll have a secondary screening everywhere.
	You know, maybe you might not be allowed to drive.
	You know, this is really where this is headed.
	And I think the NRA is complicit.
	And it just kind of hit me.
	I don't have any full-on force right now other than I do know that they have actually created more expenses for gun dealers.
	and the gun industry, they've made it more expensive, and they actually take a piece of that as well on the back end.
	I do not think they are your friend.
	And what this will all lead to eventually is not this like, oh, I don't know what the Alex Jones types are talking about, but President Obama promised very, very clearly in 2008 what his plan was when it comes to security in the homeland, And it is not going to be everyone having their own weapon.
	It's going to be this.
	We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.
	We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.
	There you go.
	Remember this, because that's what he promised.
	Yeah, people forget that clip.
	Yeah, that's what he promised.
	A national security force just as strong as our military.
	Just as strong as our military.
	So...
	Yeah.
	So I'm putting that clip in the evergreens because I have a feeling we're going to have to revisit that in the next couple of years.
	What do you think?
	Yeah, no, I think it's, well, you know, it's interesting.
	Maybe Homeland Security will prevent this from happening since they've become this.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to no agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on no agenda.
	Got my brown shirt on!
	In the morning.
	So we want to thank a few people who helped us produce the show 478, including Sir Alexander Sleznyoff.
	From Espo, which is, I think, Lithuania.
	Is that right?
	Espo.
	Yeah, I think so.
	Yeah, Espo.
	I'm glad that things worked out for Mickey and you, and you could return home.
	Please accept this contribution as a welcome home gift.
	Thank you.
	Would like to receive a shot of karma to start the new year of 2013.
	Keep up the good work.
	$133.33.
	Absolutely.
	Thank you so much, Alex.
	You've got karma.
	Dame Francine Hardaway in Half Moon Bay, California, right down the road here.
	A hundred bucks.
	I've been so pissed by the whole Ms.
	Mickey thing and by poor Adam's obvious frustration.
	I'm glad he shares it for all of our edification.
	Welcome back, Adam.
	Thank you.
	Get a donation.
	Indeed, of course, we torture.
	You know what's funny is that, you know, you know how someone from time to time will ask for a little girl yay in the donation segment?
	Yeah.
	You know what happened the other day?
	What?
	When we were happy about something, if we had crossed another milestone like we made it through the entry into the...
	Passport control.
	Yeah.
	Then we'd say to each other, little girl yay!
	Little girl yay.
	It's become like a whole thing.
	Little girl yay!
	Why don't you play that?
	This is exactly what I was planning on doing.
	Little girl yay.
	Wow!
	C. Mike in Kansas City, Missouri, 8888.
	Dear John and Adam, Adam's analysis of the scripted appearance of Alex Jones on the Pierce Morgan Big M Little Organ show.
	Big M Little Organ?
	That's pretty funny.
	It was so good, and I agree with that, by the way.
	It was so good that I need to re-up on showing my love for the best podcast in the universe.
	I wish there were more people like you, C-Mike.
	Yeah.
	Please deliver douchebag call-outs to Jones and Morgan.
	Douchebag!
	Also, please grace me with some house-selling karma as well as any time you're ready new human resource karma for my fifth human resource who still hasn't arrived, probably a girl.
	Yep.
	Lastly, probably a girl get it.
	Wait a minute, did he say that?
	Or are you saying that?
	Yeah, he says it.
	Because you know all the women get on your shit if they hear you say that.
	Yeah, right.
	Well, if they...
	I had one there.
	I had a joke.
	Yeah, if they can make it on time, they can get it on my shit.
	Heyo!
	But it's the timing.
	Timing, that's what makes it funny.
	It's all about timing, yeah.
	Lastly, because I believe in value for value model, please give me an Atlas Shrug jingle, and if JC spoils it by breaking wind with this...
	I don't do that.
	It's on the clip.
	Does he want a karma with that, or is it just...
	Well, here, I'll tell you what, Adam.
	You play the Atlas Shrug thing and cut off that little thing at the end.
	Okay.
	Atlas Shrug.
	By Ayn Rand.
	You've got karma.
	It's funny.
	Something else happened there.
	I don't know what happened.
	Capital Idea Radio in Cincinnati, Ohio, 8334.
	You guys suck.
	Take this donation and shove it up your ass.
	83-34.
	Do you see what it says?
	One of 12.
	Yeah, one of 12.
	Because he's going to become a knight.
	Yeah, he's going to become a knight.
	This is great.
	So this is the kind of hate mail that we get.
	We need more of this.
	As long as he wants to pay to tell us that we suck, I'm in.
	John Richest in New Orleans, Louisiana.
	He needs an in the morning.
	In the morning!
	There you go.
	Charles Hickman in Grove City, Ohio.
	Hey, Jeb and Andrew.
	I wanted to take this opportunity to welcome Andrew and Mindy back to the United States.
	I recently got engaged and need a special You Will Obey Karma for my smoking hot fiancé.
	And before you ask, I have already sent pictures.
	And did you?
	Because I forwarded them to you.
	Did you see them?
	No.
	Oh, dude, go to your email right now.
	I can't believe this.
	I can't believe you didn't...
	I forwarded this to you.
	This is...
	You always...
	You forward stuff now and again, but I don't...
	I haven't been looking at my email that close.
	Hold on, let me get to my email.
	You have to see these pictures.
	Okay, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going.
	It's from Adam.
	What's the name of the...
	I can't believe that you didn't see this.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's like, I only forwarded you, like, do the last one or two emails that I forwarded you.
	Like, maybe the last one.
	Okay.
	You have to see this.
	You got a whole bunch of stuff here.
	I see nothing forwarded.
	Forwarded.
	Not pictures included.
	Really?
	You found it?
	Yeah.
	Now view number one.
	Yikes.
	That one with the handcuffs is great, but I like the one with the red rubber ball the most.
	You will obey.
	You've got karma.
	Yeah, these are very good.
	I encourage this because the handcuffs are on her ankles.
	That's what's so funny about that.
	I like that.
	It's great.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Charles.
	Yeah, funny.
	I never got the notes from him.
	I don't think.
	That's why I forwarded it to you.
	All right, here we go.
	Where were we?
	Oh, crap.
	I lost my train of thought.
	We're at...
	69!
	69, dude!
	Sir Kerry Chim in Hamilton, Ohio.
	No note, it says.
	Joseph Frost, Sir Joseph Frost, to you, Wooddale, Illinois, 6969, need all the 69s I can get.
	Can I get a shut up at science, two to the head, karma?
	Shut up already!
	Science!
	You've got karma.
	Yes, you can.
	Jonathan Rowley in Edmonton, Alberta.
	Home of the Edmonton Oilers.
	6969.
	Flat cannons for humanity.
	Can I get a Hey Citizen Karma?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Hey Citizen.
	You've got karma.
	We have a lot of 6969s today, but it's still short of the 22 record.
	I'm surprised that this many came in.
	Jason Rutherford in Australia, 6969.
	It's been a while since I've listened to the best podcast in the universe.
	Oh.
	As I've been in the dump since my wife, the love of my life, and I separated.
	So for the past month...
	Wait a minute.
	Is that a coincidence?
	I don't know.
	That's a good question.
	He's been in recovery mode in southeast Queensland and now looks to go back home on the horse to win back her hand as I return.
	This happens to be my first donation, though.
	I did buy the first challenge coins.
	Not the same.
	My donation is in response for two reasons.
	Value for value is I've clearly been a boner, so please dedouche me.
	Secondly, I have some selfishness reasons.
	Selfish reasons, too.
	He's got selfishness.
	Selfishness.
	He screwed me up.
	As I need the universe to align in my favor.
	So could I please have a karma with a milf?
	33 is the magic number.
	Because his birthday is going to be 33 on Tuesday the 15th.
	Also a shout out to my wife's blog, lipstickconfessions.net.
	I'm looking at.net?
	Yeah.
	I was looking at.com and I was like, whoa!
	Okay, hold on.
	Lipstickconfessions.net.
	What is this?
	Hmm.
	Dear Diary, my husband's such a douchebag.
	Is that what it says?
	No.
	No, of course not.
	It doesn't say that at all.
	In fact, it says confession number nine.
	Anatomy doesn't decide my interests.
	It's been a few weeks since something in the everyday ridiculous compelled me to write another confession, but a lunchtime trip to the news agency in the business park where I work threw me a clanger.
	Read more.
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Anyway, give him his de-douching plus his other stuff.
	What does he want?
	He wants a de-douching.
	He wants a MILF. And a 33.
	And a magic number.
	Okay.
	Where is the magic number?
	So we got de-douching.
	You've been de-douched.
	MILF. That's one mother I'd like to.
	33.
	That's the magic number.
	Go and go.
	It's the magic number.
	Get the week.
	Sir Jason Stephenson lost wages, Nevada.
	Nope, not drunk.
	Not drunk blitzed.
	Does he mean not drunk blitzed or does he mean not drunk blitzed?
	I think he's hammered.
	Yo, Aldama and Jebediah living the dream of unemployment.
	My girl left me and even took the cat.
	I'm crashing with a friend in the UK and it's so gray and depressing.
	Can I get a whoop-em with the Constitution and fiscal cliff?
	Welcome back.
	Wow.
	Yeah, we haven't done that one in a while, so I guess we can do that.
	Here we go.
	Now, get out there and whoop Obama's behind!
	Whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping with the Constitution.
	You're headed now.
	Whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping with the Constitution.
	Whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping with the Constitution.
	Whooping, whooping, whooping, whooping all of them behind.
	A Constitution.
	Whooping.
	Road Wolf in Buffalo, New York, 69, 69.
	Hey guys, happy to hear that Adam's back.
	I'm just looking for a simple de-douching for not being able to donate for a while.
	And a model railway building karma and trains good, planes bad.
	I'm sitting here working on my model railroad and need some advice from any No Agenda listeners out there who are into this hobby.
	They can find updates and info about my project on my blog at roadwolf.ca.
	You've been de-douched.
	All aboard, trains good, planes bad.
	You've got karma.
	It's roadwolf.ca.
	Andrew Fite, Stockton, California, 6969.
	In the morning, Jack and Elaine.
	It's been far too long since I've donated, so I thought I'd come in with a drunk donation, even though he doesn't sound drunk in the least.
	And I'd like to request a de-douching and shout at karma since I'm turning 30 on Sunday.
	Thanks for all you dudes.
	So we should...
	Sorry?
	Add him to the birthday list.
	Oh, okay.
	I'll do that right now.
	You've been de-douched.
	You've got karma.
	What's his name here?
	Andrew...
	Fight.
	Fight.
	No, is that right?
	Yeah.
	I think so.
	Andrew Fight.
	Fight.
	He's 30 today.
	Yeah, 30.
	He's on the list today.
	Matt Dallas in Lost Wages, Nevada, 69-69.
	Hey guys, I'm a long-time listener, almost a year now, and finally decided to take part in the value-for-value model.
	Your analysis of Pierce Morgan and the national gun control debate from last episode was spot on.
	And what has compelled me to donate?
	And what has compelled me, that's what's compelled me to donate.
	Please continue to expose the media and mind-control propaganda for what it is.
	I'm hoping to get jobs, jobs, jobs karma as I try to figure out what I'm going to do in a couple of years when I separate from the Air Force.
	Matt from Lost Wages, Nevada.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Yeah!
	You thought karma.
	And that concludes...
	69!
	69, dudes!
	Fat L in Tehachapi, California, 6611.
	Here's 66 on the sticks in honor of Jermaine's new rain stick.
	Many apologies for being a total...
	Hold on a second.
	I just want to say something.
	That ever since you did that rain stick on me, it's been raining in Austin three days non-stop.
	So I'm throwing it.
	No, no, no.
	I am throwing it back at you.
	You're getting it.
	It's going to rain in California.
	I'm blocking it.
	No, you're blocked.
	And I'm sending it back your way.
	No, rain stick.
	Rain stick a go-go.
	Rain stick a go-go.
	It's going to rain in Berkeley.
	Rain in Berkeley.
	All right, where were we?
	Oh yeah, Fat L, the rain stick.
	Many apologies for being a total boner.
	I've not donated recently.
	Strong work as always.
	I figured it was time to redeem myself with some cash and hits to the mouth in the wake of the Taft High School shooting.
	And he does have a clip of him calling him.
	We'll put this on the next show.
	He called radio calls in show, and he was on AM, and he put in a bunch of stuff about douchebags and whatever.
	It was actually quite funny.
	I put it in the show notes.
	It's long, though.
	It's like three and a half minutes, and the quality is kind of crap.
	But it is very funny, because he just keeps throwing all our memes in there, and then the idiot radio host is like, yeah, that's great.
	Thanks for calling.
	Yeah.
	Idiot host.
	Yes, we can get away with this anyway.
	So Fat L's recording is in the show notes.
	He wants a don't eat me Hillary, shut up already, karma.
	And a dedouching as well.
	For us and the Knights.
	And a dedouching, okay.
	You've been dedouched.
	Don't eat me Hillary Clinton!
	Shut up already!
	Science!
	You've got karma.
	It's interesting.
	It's a good one.
	Yeah, I like that.
	Works.
	No name in Den Haag.
	5555.
	Spending three weeks in Gitmo Nation West in the state of Massachusetts.
	So I can finally listen to No Agenda stream in the morning.
	Also survive the ongoing regional pandemic without being vaccinated.
	I request swine flu karma jingles.
	It's the No Agenda.
	You've got karma.
	This is called the Mexican Flu.
	Benjamin Oliver, Birmingham, 5554.
	Hey, Ike and Tina, I'd love it if you could mention a Kickstarter project my girlfriend's family have just launched.
	It's called Adastral Fashion, A-D-A-S-T-R-A-L, and it's a custom clothing company.
	Their aim is to cut out the middleman and provide a link directly to the factory out in Pakistan.
	This lets the customers be very specific about what they want down to a type of sleeve and ensures everyone working at the factory gets a fair slice of the pie.
	They need a bit of help getting their project off the ground.
	It's not for everyone, but I thought it might be worth a mention since the no middleman approach kind of resonates with no agendas listeners.
	Anyways...
	That's kind of interesting.
	Hold on a second.
	Let's check it out for a second.
	A-D-A-S-T-R-A-L-Fashion.com I've got their Kickstarter pitch.
	Hmm.
	Let me see if there's any music.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, baby.
	Hit me now with your fashion from Pakistan.
	Pocket, pocket, pocket, pocket, Pakistan.
	Okay.
	Sometimes they have like a host or something.
	They don't have that.
	Bill Hutchinson in Calgary, Alberta, where all the money is.
	5510.
	A yearly birthday gift to myself, a donation to the best podcast in the universe.
	Wish it could be more, but living off donations myself and moving my family of five from Canada to Australia last year was rather costly.
	Wow.
	I need to keep a No Agenda Minute Man membership, though.
	I could realize that it is less than the going voiceover rate, but could Adam say, this is Adam Curry, co-host of No Agenda, the best podcast in the universe?
	Really?
	Co-host?
	Do you think that...
	Is that what it...
	That doesn't sound like co-host.
	That sounds kind of like, you know...
	I don't know.
	What's the point of this?
	I don't know.
	Well, let's do it.
	I'll do something a little different.
	This is Adam Curry, co-pilot of No Agenda, the best podcast in the universe.
	Now he wants you to say you're listening to Bill Hutchinson, the accidental missionary.
	Hey, wait a minute.
	Am I being scammed into doing a jingle for him?
	It sounds like it.
	Okay.
	Should I do it?
	I might as well do it.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	You're listening to Bill.
	It would be funnier if you did it in like your drunk voice.
	You're listening to Bill Hutchinson, the accidental missionary at billhutchinson.org.
	Cheers, Bill.
	That's better.
	Yeah, that's it.
	That's what you get.
	Yeah.
	Trotsky in Romeoville, Illinois.
	51-10.
	Double nickels on the dime.
	Birthday shout-out to my oldest daughter, Mallory.
	Is she on the list?
	Who turns 26 on the 14th.
	And also her daughter, my granddaughter, Aubrey, who turns 9.
	Aw, they're both on the list.
	All set.
	All good to go.
	To Richard Talmo in San Diego, California, 5026.
	I'd like to donate this in memory of Aaron Schwartz, a man whose essence and technical contributions seem to pair well with what you two are doing.
	RSS, they drove him to suicide if he wasn't killed.
	RSS feeds an unveiling of truth.
	There's some parallels.
	John and Adam, keep up the good work and please give a karma shot to all producers past and present.
	Without them, today's show isn't possible.
	That's true.
	I would like to say something about Aaron Schwartz.
	So I have two theories on this.
	Theory number one, since he was the co-author of RSS 1.0, theory one is that Dave Weiner killed him.
	That was the first thing I came up with.
	And that's where you're supposed to laugh.
	Yeah, it's hilarious.
	Say, Dave, I hope you realize it's a joke.
	As if Dave ever listens to this show.
	He's an Obama bot.
	He's a total Obama bot.
	I thought calling him a murderer was bad enough.
	You didn't have to, like, lay the Obama butt stuff on there.
	I didn't say Obama butt.
	So, here's the thing that bothers me.
	We're almost done with the donation.
	This was a very, very smart guy.
	Typical reporting is like, all you read is, he was smart, he was great, he was intelligent, he was depressed, he hung himself.
	Smart guys, when they want to kill themselves, I just don't buy the hanging thing.
	Yeah, I kind of agree.
	A really smart guy would set up an insurance policy, do all kinds of crazy things, and do a little skydiving.
	Yes, exactly.
	Have all kinds of stuff going on.
	The hanging thing, that's so 17th century.
	It just doesn't make any sense anymore.
	And no one's questioning.
	Everyone's like, oh, he's dead, he killed himself.
	It makes total sense!
	Total?
	Makes total sense?
	They wanted to fine him a million dollars, throw him in jail forever.
	Makes total sense.
	He was going to kill himself.
	I'm not buying it.
	In fact, I believe that he found something He was trying to leverage his way out of whatever situation he was in with whatever information he had.
	I think he might have had information about some shenanigans that went on with the most recent election, possibly.
	You know, there's a whole theory about voting machines, and I think the chairman of the Spanish company that runs the voting machines, he died unexpectedly.
	He was run off the road by some other car.
	I have a feeling that he was downloading a lot of stuff, and he had a lot of information and a lot of stuff from their Ministry of Justice.
	And I have a feeling that he was trying to leverage his way out of all this crap with whatever he found.
	And I think...
	I feel more comfortable with thinking that he was killed.
	I just can't buy this hanging thing.
	And no one questions this.
	It's a lot of work to hang yourself.
	Don't want people to cut their wrists and sit in the bathtub.
	Or just take some pills.
	For a guy who's depressed, you lose a lot of energy and depressed.
	Look at the work you've got to go through to hang yourself.
	I don't even have a rope and all this stuff.
	I was like, no.
	I don't know that it's going to work.
	Exactly.
	That's also not a surefire way.
	Because nobody knows really about hanging.
	I mean, you had to fall a long distance and break your neck or you just choke while you're hanging there.
	I mean, nobody does not really explain.
	So why would you do it?
	I really don't like it.
	I'm kind of with you on that.
	And I don't like that people aren't asking the question.
	Rest in peace, all that.
	And by the way, just the fact we're having this conversation, there will be people who are saying, I can't believe yet.
	I can't believe you are talking.
	He only just died.
	I can't believe it.
	I never get these letters.
	I get it all the time.
	They're already coming in now.
	Oh, that's the chat room.
	That's another read.
	No, the chat room, I think, is actually on board with this one.
	But, you know, it's like he was a hero.
	He was an annoying kid.
	I remember that.
	He was, you know, he was way too smart.
	And he was just way too smart.
	I remember the early days of, like, blogging things.
	Maybe he's not dead if he's that smart.
	Ooh.
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	We know nothing because, as usual, everyone just, oh, well, it's in the newspaper.
	Must be true.
	It's like a checklist, a boom, a depression.
	You've got to be indicted.
	Check, check, check, check.
	Suicide hanging.
	And, you know, if Cory Doctorow and Boing Boing write about it, well, it's all true.
	Then it's all, it's all good.
	It physically makes me burp just to talk about this.
	Robert Burzma in London.
	Wait, I gotta do the karma.
	I can't do the karma.
	Thank you, Richard, for getting us on that tangent.
	Got you on the tangent.
	Welcome back, Mickey and Adam.
	Rob from London.
	Thank you, Rob.
	50 bucks.
	And finally, Nick in McAllen, Texas, which is right down the road from you.
	I've been listening to the show since episode 40 and never donated.
	Wow.
	The show is practically the only constant in my life.
	You two are the closest things I have to any sort of family.
	Although I don't know you personally.
	I feel that.
	We could make them feel like family.
	How about this?
	After years of following along with your weekly conversations, twice weekly, I don't know what I would do if you had to quit.
	Can I get a de-douching and some karma for myself, you too, and for the love of my life and her new fiancé?
	What?
	I don't know.
	I don't know either.
	You guys deserve more money, but I don't have any...
	I've got no more to give.
	Sorry.
	We just need more people to give out this type of money, so we appreciate that and definitely want to give you a karma for that.
	You've got karma.
	Thank you very much.
	He wants a de-douching.
	And de-douching, of course.
	You've been de-douched.
	So as we are kind of in the slower months and the beginning of the year, this is kind of typical.
	I would like to remind everyone that you can sign up for monthly recurring donations.
	And if you have one, you may want to check and see that you still have it.
	Yeah, most of the time you won't.
	Yeah, because PayPal has this crazy system where they just stop the monthly payments and don't tell you about it.
	And they may tell you about it.
	They tell us!
	They may tell you about it, and then they'll say, oh, no agenda, cancel your subscription.
	Which we've never done once ever.
	It doesn't make a lot of sense that we would do that.
	No, actually, I take it back.
	One guy, here's the story.
	One guy said, I can't figure this out.
	Cancel my subscription.
	You've got to cancel it.
	So I went to cancel it.
	And it was already canceled.
	PayPal had canceled it nine months earlier.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So it's...
	So the guy...
	Wait a minute.
	Let me get this straight.
	The guy wants me to cancel.
	He doesn't even know if he has the subscription anymore.
	It's not that hard to...
	Do you have a check?
	Do you have like a thing that comes in the mail?
	You know, it says American Express or MasterCard and it shows you all your charges and you might see the no agenda thing on there and suddenly you don't see it anymore?
	Yeah, that's because it's gone.
	Maybe if you did that, it would be easier.
	Yeah.
	It's gone.
	It's just gone.
	It just evaporates.
	And also, if you can support us in that manner, it really does help for us to fall back on when people are just like...
	Because we do get that.
	People are going...
	Just don't feel like donating.
	Now, that does not deter us from doing the work.
	I'll be the first to say that.
	I think we've done quite a bit of work.
	John had a lot of C-SPAN today, which is work.
	And I got a zinger coming up, by the way.
	Oh, great.
	That's real work.
	And, you know, we kind of deconstructed what Pooper is trying to do as the Matrix closes.
	And this is it now.
	I mean, now you know that no matter what you do...
	You're not going to get any information from the mainstream media because, as Anderson Pooper himself said, I don't even understand the words coming out of his mouth!
	I mean, really?
	Really?
	Was it that hard, Pooper?
	Dvorak.org slash NA It's your birthday, birthday!
	Sir Ray Jacobson congratulates himself turning 51 today.
	Andrew, fight 30 today.
	Jason Rutherford turned 33 on the 15th.
	Hey, old magic number for you.
	Bill Hutchinson, he celebrates today.
	And David Trottsy says happy birthday to his daughter Mallory.
	She turns 26 tomorrow.
	And to his granddaughter Aubrey, she turns 9 today.
	Happy birthday from all your buddies here at the best podcast in the universe.
	And no nights.
	No nights.
	Zero.
	Zero on the nightage front.
	That's a shame.
	That is a shame.
	Hold on a second.
	Hold on, let me just pack up the hookers and blow.
	Hold on.
	So I got a couple clips.
	Hold on.
	Enter the second half of the show.
	What are you doing?
	I'm putting the hookers and blow away.
	Oh.
	Lightning to you.
	That sounds like this rain stick again.
	I got you.
	I'll have none of it.
	No!
	Rain in Austin.
	Lightning in California.
	Swine flu.
	You can't beat my...
	Dude, let's just...
	I got a stand-alone clip for starters.
	My stick is better than your stick.
	My stick is pretty cool looking.
	I have a stand-alone clip that I think is of great interest to everyone worldwide.
	Important.
	And especially to some of our listeners.
	And I just found this to be an incredible clip.
	This is the guy who's been on...
	I could have had more clips from Morris Davis, who was the chief prosecutor at Gitmo and quit...
	In a huff, and he's going around the country talking about how we should have shut this thing down.
	It's a joke.
	You know what it costs to keep a person at Gitmo on a year?
	One person at Gitmo for one year?
	I think about $100,000.
	$850,000.
	Really?
	Per person.
	Holy crap.
	Are they serving him caviar through that hood?
	It's unbelievable.
	Anyway, he goes on about one thing or another, but this, this prosecutor clip I have here, this clip was the eye-opener.
	Actually, J.C. caught it when he was listening to this guy, and I go, holy crap, nobody knows this.
	And I mentioned, I think the drone program is another area where it's a mistake to talk about a program when we've got a military program that's governed by the laws of war.
	You know, you hear people talk about, you know, these drone strikes, we use the principles of proportionality and military necessity and distinction and all the law of war rules that regulate the armed forces.
	And by following those rules, military personnel have combatant immunity.
	If you kill during combat, it's not murder.
	You have immunity as a combatant.
	And then collateral damage is a corollary of that.
	If you drop a bomb and it kills the bad guy and some people around them, as long as you've applied the principles...
	Of the laws of war, then those deaths are collateral damage that are covered by combatant immunity.
	But the CIA has a drone program, and that's a civilian agency with civilian contractors.
	They're not part of the military, and the law of war doesn't apply.
	They don't have combatant immunity, and collateral damage doesn't apply absent combatant immunity.
	So I'm not sure where we get the authority to send civilians around the world to commit what I believe is murder.
	And then finally we have the kill list.
	You know, when President Obama campaigned in 08, he talked about how the Bush policies were based on fear and we turned our back on our values and we were going to restore our reputation.
	But I don't recall President Bush having a kill list that gave him the unilateral authority to decide that an American needs to die without trial.
	Wow.
	Hold on.
	Step back.
	Step away from your speakers.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Murder.
	Yeah.
	Hey, if you're a drone operator, and I know a lot of you are, and you're listening to this show, think twice about that.
	Yeah, and it's like, this guy is no slouch, by the way.
	He knows his business, and when he said that, I went, holy crap, and nobody's talking about it.
	Nobody's even mentioning this possibility.
	Yeah.
	I think there is, because I do know some people who are involved, of course, some of our producers are involved in the drone program as civilians, and I think there is a knowledge of this, but once you get your credentials and you get the...
	You know, your classification, because they do hand that out.
	The Pentagon can essentially give you classification that you can look at top secret stuff.
	And I think if you're doing some drone killings, you probably have that.
	And so people kind of forget.
	They feel like, oh, well, whatever.
	But wow.
	Yeah, and you never know.
	I mean, the funny thing is about this sort of thing, it's like the Nazis felt a certain way when they were obeying orders during World War II and before.
	Yeah, they loved Hitler.
	They loved Hitler.
	And they loved Hitler.
	It's like, you know, things like this can turn around and the next thing you know you're standing trial for murder.
	I have two words for you.
	Predator drones.
	There you go.
	So now there's another kind of a standalone clip, I'll get out of the way, which I thought was interesting because apparently fear tactics in Israel are being employed, but there's kind of a gotcha to this story, which I'll discuss after the thing plays.
	But this came from, I believe though that this is Russia today, so they exaggerate for the benefit of the Russians.
	Gaza was a chance for Tel Aviv to test its Iron Dome missile defense system.
	But Israelis are anxious, in part because of widespread media coverage of just how unprepared for war their country is.
	Many bomb shelters in residential buildings are run down and neglected or have become furniture storage rooms, while most of Israel's Arab citizens, about 20% of the population, lack shelters altogether.
	As the chances of war start looking all too real, the army says four times as many Israelis are collecting state-funded gas masks than they were several months ago.
	I'm a big concern.
	It's not like I think they're going to be a war, but just subside my fear just in case.
	And with impending doomsday predictions circling the country, no one wants to be caught unprepared.
	Alright, so that's kind of an interesting story, but let me ask you a rhetorical question.
	Okay.
	If all of a sudden they set up shop in Austin and were giving away state-funded gas masks, Giving them away.
	Would you get one?
	Hell yeah.
	I'd get a couple.
	Yeah, I would too.
	Hell yeah.
	Those things are cool.
	Yeah.
	And I'd be testing it out, and I'd be doing all kinds of field testing.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Yeah, everybody wants to gas.
	Yeah.
	Please.
	Meanwhile, Russia Today has this little, they do a bit, which is getting more annoying the more I see it, because there's this little dweebish woman with a microphone, and the tag around the microphone says, The Resident.
	It doesn't say Russia Today.
	It doesn't have the RT. Oh, really?
	Yeah, it's a mic cube.
	A mic cube, right, a little cube on there.
	And she's walking around, and she asks these questions.
	She's talking to people about getting out of Afghanistan, and whether it's a good idea, a bad idea.
	So she interviews a couple people.
	Then she, right after the second guy, who's a soldier, I guess, she goes into this diatribe, which is just Russia today giving us the needle as best it can.
	It's getting a little obvious.
	You don't think it might be money and imperialism a little bit too?
	I don't believe that it is imperialism, no.
	What about money?
	Do you think that money might drive some of our reasons?
	Oh, of course, but money is going to help everybody.
	I don't think it's happening.
	I just came back from Afghanistan.
	Oh, so you don't believe that he's really going to pull the troops away?
	Not entirely.
	I think that our presence there is important as far as sustaining what we've done so far.
	The bottom line is, we're so used to having U.S. troops all over the world up in everyone's business that we probably can't imagine us pulling out of anywhere.
	And that makes Americans the world's bullies, whether we like it or not.
	Now, first of all, little twerp, you twerp from Russia today.
	That's who we are and we love it!
	We're proud of being the bullies of the world, okay?
	That's what we do.
	Of course, we don't have the gas hooked up to Europe to fudge everybody like Putin.
	Go and kill everybody.
	It's like, oh, we need to lay a pipeline through Poland.
	I know.
	Let's kill the entire government in a plane crash.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	At least we're out there with our uniforms.
	You can see us coming.
	We don't pull crap.
	I mean, killing the whole government of Poland, which is what they did.
	Yeah, come on.
	It's unconscionable.
	Come on, come on.
	Now, if I can switch gears, yesterday, John, was the third anniversary, third anniversary of the earthquake in Haiti.
	Oh yes, in fact, I saw a lot of stuff on this.
	I almost got some clips.
	I do have no clips, but you have them obviously.
	And there was all kinds of stuff going on.
	oh, yeah, Bill Clinton was in Haiti, and everyone's like, oh, yes, Bill Clinton visits Haiti on the third anniversary.
	And, you know, it's like, oh, okay.
	So if you have not been listening to this program for the past three years, then you will have missed the fact that pretty much, well, first of all, the day after I said this whole earthquake thing was set up and it was an earthquake machine, you can believe me or not, but we have been tracking the billions of dollars that but we have been tracking the billions of dollars that went absolutely everywhere except to people in Haiti who are still eating dirt cakes.
	They put in a musician as the president after they kicked out his bandmate because his britches grew too big for him.
	They've given away all the mining concessions up there at the north.
	We had three presidents going...
	We just need cash.
	I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water.
	Just send your cash.
	And the entire amount that those two shenanigan bozos collected, according to their recently closed fund, was $54 million.
	Please!
	So insulting.
	We do have some countries, like Canada, is now saying, hey, you know, we're shutting it down because we don't know what's going on.
	And I read these reports, and here's the meme that is used.
	Here's the word.
	It's like, well, there was a lot of money that came in, and they had all these NGOs, which stands for non-governmental organization.
	And this is where it always happens.
	Because the money comes down from places like the Red Cross, Then they skim all their crap off the top first.
	They've got to have their big buildings and their big salaries.
	And they have big buildings and big salaries and nice staff cars.
	Then they're going to dole out the money to other NGOs, which are always classified as well-intended.
	It was well intended.
	Well, you know what?
	NGOs, this crap has got to stop.
	All of these, it's like the Robin Hood Foundation for Sandy.
	They had the party, the big celebrity concert.
	They're now taking that money.
	They got hedge funds with the money, and then they're going to give it to other NGOs.
	It never actually reaches the people at the bottom.
	This is what's so disgusting.
	There's still 280,000 people in Haiti who are eating dirt cakes and are pooping cholera.
	So Jonathan Katz wrote a book, and he's a total scam artist himself, as you'll hear in this little piece from the BBC. And he assesses the situation in this little kind of like beautiful montage video.
	And then, of course, he goes straight into all kinds of bullcrap.
	About the billions of dollars that are just stolen.
	Stolen, I tell you!
	Stolen!
	And you sat there and you texted your $10 and watched the concert and felt great and then went to bed in your warm bed and thought you would solve something and change your Twitter icon.
	You stupid losers!
	So here is the BBC report of what actually happened, what we've been saying for three years, and then unfortunately it goes into the total New World Order.
	Crap, it always does.
	The frank answer is that it hasn't gone well.
	There was a feeling after the earthquake that a lot of help was coming.
	A lot of it was very visible.
	Militaries, planes filling the sky, boats filling the harbor.
	And by the way, a lot of that money went to the military operations.
	Repairs on ships were paid out of that money.
	Every single day that one aircraft carrier was out off of the coast of Haiti, it was like $80 million that they were charging to the charities to pay for that carrier being there.
	Trucks appearing in the street carrying all kinds of aid.
	The phrase that Bill Clinton used was to build back better.
	And it's very obvious to anybody who's on the ground in Haiti right now, not just Haitian, That that didn't happen.
	There's barely been any building back.
	What has been built back certainly isn't better.
	And frankly, the lives of most people are harder than they were before.
	All evidence shows that the cholera epidemic was brought to Haiti by United Nations peacekeepers.
	After the earthquake, one of the major goals that the responders set for themselves and one of the major justifications for the response was to prevent the outbreak of disease.
	So the irony is that after all of this noise and all of this panic about a coming epidemic, The epidemic that was feared was actually caused by the responders themselves and had absolutely no relation to the earthquake whatsoever.
	So one of the major themes of the book is really this question of us and them.
	And that no matter how hard we try, we often end up reducing conversations about Haiti and the international community in Haiti to a question of us and them.
	And Haitians can often do the same thing.
	And it's a really destructive way of thinking.
	Alright, so this just goes into more bullcrap New World Order stuff, but let me just tell you one quick thing before I wrap this up about Haiti, because we're going to do it again next year.
	Now there are hotels built, a huge Marriott funded by the idiot douchebag from Ireland, DigiCell, the owner there.
	He sues people for even saying that he's an idiot douchebag, so you're an idiot douchebag, you Irish DigiCell douchebag.
	Building Marriott hotels, Bill Clinton building hotels, cruise ships dropping off tourists, and the hotel is built so that you don't see actual Port-au-Prince tent camps.
	The whole thing is just completely disgusting.
	But Haiti was actually a free country.
	They had freed themselves from the tyranny of France, and they had a debt.
	And this debt partially was paid back from the money that you sent to help these poor people who were living in dirt.
	It went to France!
	Hey.
	So that guy that you clipped, he was also on The World, and if you go to theworld.org, you can listen to that clip.
	At the very end of the clip, and I was going to clip this for the show, but I have too many clips already.
	At the very end of the clip, they said, well, we're going to have a special, we're going to continue this on the website, and he's going to discuss where all the money went with some sort of accounting.
	Never appeared.
	Never.
	No, of course not.
	He's just selling a book.
	Yeah, it's a book tour.
	And remember, there's two things I mentioned on the last show.
	One, Mali.
	No sooner had I said, watch out for Mali, than the French are now bombing terrorists in Mali.
	Have you seen this?
	Yeah, we've been following the Mali thing.
	And I also said, be on the lookout for this women drinking thing and binge drinking thing.
	And our one Pakistani producer...
	Well, you know how they are.
	Sent me a scan, it's in the show notes, of a newspaper in Pakistan.
	And here it is, page 20.
	Don't miss.
	Binge drinking is a growing problem amongst Indian women.
	Not only in the metros, but in smaller towns as well.
	Starting January 13th, 91 foreigners, all recovering alcoholics, will tour the country, teaching their Indian counterparts to step back before tipping over.
	So there is something going on with this.
	With this women getting drunk stuff.
	Yeah, the WBRC station says report more women binge drinking than men.
	The CDC says binge drinking can be worse for women.
	Of course, we did that last show.
	Here's one that showed up today.
	I think this is The National.
	Oh, it's real.
	Lady Gaga lighting up a joint on stage in Amsterdam.
	Singer Lana Del Rey sharing one in her video, Born to Die.
	Rihanna posting suggestive pictures on Twitter.
	A lot of young celebrities, and a lot of them women, aren't just using pot.
	They're publicizing it.
	A lot of them women, celebrities.
	There's something about it.
	There's something going on.
	We'll figure it out.
	Eventually we will.
	Eventually.
	We'll figure it out before anybody else does.
	And...
	So amidst all of this, the Scotland Yard released a report about Jimmy Savile.
	Of course, no one paid any attention to it.
	It's so funny.
	So the report, the details, I think like over 250 complaints that they've now researched.
	And they ignored.
	250.
	And let me just play the clip for you because it's hilarious.
	Because I want you to remember, the guy received a papal knighthood from the Pope.
	He received a knighthood from the Queen.
	He was best buddies with Margaret Thatcher and her husband.
	At a certain point, you've got to think, was this guy maybe just arranging the goods for all of the pedophiles of the UK?
	The Catholic Church.
	We know what's been going on there.
	How many people do you know have had a papal knighthood who are also a celebrity?
	I don't know anyone who's got a papal knighthood.
	Exactly.
	This guy was in the upper echelon of all elites, you know, hanging out with Prince Charles.
	There has to be...
	I'm telling you, they eat children.
	Yeah, this is your basic theory, but play the clip.
	According to the report by London's Metropolitan Police and a child protection charity, Saville used his celebrity status to hide in plain sight.
	Police say they are aware of 214 criminal offenses recorded against him.
	Savile was never brought to justice and his victims have been left looking for some kind of resolution.
	CNN's Matthew Chance has been hearing all the details of the investigation.
	He joins us now from Police Headquarters Scotland Yard.
	Matthew, what more does that report reveal?
	Well, it reveals quite a lot.
	One of the issues you just brought up is, of course, that Jimmy Savile is dead.
	There isn't going to be a criminal prosecution against him.
	And this report, which I've got in my hand here, called Giving Victims a Voice, is an attempt by the police here in London that have been leading this investigation into the goings-on of Jimmy Savile, say that it's their attempt to try and at least get down in document form all of these testimonies that they've received from Over this period of more than 50 years, from 1955 to 2009, they've been hearing evidence from people who say they were abused during that period.
	450 complaints in total so far made against Jimmy Savile.
	214 of them, as you mentioned, have been recorded as actual abuses.
	Amongst those 214 is included 34 instances of rape.
	The age group of the victims is also quite astonishing, between 8 years old and 47 years old.
	A copy of the report in the show notes.
	Go have a look at that.
	It's crazy.
	I'm like, oh, well, at least we have a report.
	More good work by Scotland Yard.
	At least we have a report.
	A bunch of a-holes.
	Yeah, there's all kinds of...
	Yeah, well, okay.
	You clearly shut me down.
	You don't want me to talk about it anymore.
	I get it.
	Well, you make...
	It gets boring.
	I know it gets boring.
	Preoccupied.
	Unlike this.
	President Obama paid a visit to a clinic at the Pentagon this weekend, but don't worry, it wasn't for a case of the flu.
	The White House tells us that it was just a, quote, routine fitness evaluation, the results of which will be released by the end of the month.
	The president's last exam in 2011 found the longtime smoker to be tobacco-free and consuming a healthy diet.
	Yeah, interestingly enough, I checked the last time he went to have a checkup.
	He didn't go to the Pentagon.
	What, did they have to put new batteries in them or something?
	Yeah, they got to put new batteries in them.
	That's exactly the same thing I was thinking.
	You beat me to it.
	It makes no sense.
	No president has ever gone to the Pentagon for his checkup.
	Well, they do if he's a lizard.
	I'm sorry.
	I have FBA. You can't laugh too much.
	What is that called again?
	You can't even remember it.
	Was it FAB? FBA? That thing's going...
	By the way, that is going nowhere.
	Someone, one of our producers wrote and said that, you know, the cure for that is actually cough medicine, that diamethylene, tryptowakalaka, whatever it was.
	Yeah, the bromide thing or whatever it is they put in, dimethylene, I can't remember the name of it.
	Yeah, they said whatever that was.
	It's the codeine substitute.
	Yeah, it's basically just drinking some cough syrup for this.
	I mean, it's a crazy, you know, I'm going to pull it up right now.
	It's a crazy thing.
	And it's FDA approved.
	Well, yeah.
	Dimethylene bromide, is that what it is?
	I think that's what it was.
	Let me see.
	Show notes.
	I got it here.
	Hold on.
	PBA. Pseudobulbar effect.
	Bulbar.
	Pseudobulbar effect.
	That's what it was.
	And you got to look it up again if you want to see what the...
	But anyway, the cure being sold by that guy, Dr.
	Jonathan Fellis, is nothing more than cough medicine.
	Yeah.
	And we fell for it.
	Well, we did.
	Okay, well I think we're done.
	Did you not have an end of show clip or something?
	We can push those off to another show because it's kind of a concise trio.
	And to be honest about it, my end of show clip is like so weird.
	If you want to, I think we're done.
	I think we're done.
	And we can keep it.
	I will be here on Thursday.
	How about you?
	I intend to be here producing nothing.
	But this thing and being on the show that you produce.
	Producing nothing.
	He produces nothing.
	Exactly.
	But I will be...
	Well, actually, I produce from my own website, but...
	I will be here with C-SPAN clips in tow.
	Yep.
	The Kennedy clips, which I was going to save, which is a guy came out with a book on Joseph Kennedy.
	There was a great, great, a lot of great material.
	He gave a great speech on book TV on C-SPAN. I watched the whole thing.
	It's very interesting.
	Nice.
	And probably catch a few more things in the meantime.
	Okie dokie.
	Very educational.
	Well, I shall be doing the same.
	And probably reading some legislation, which is always fun.
	And why don't you try to dig up that 1972 treaty?
	I will.
	That's a good idea.
	I will.
	And I will also make it rain in California!
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	Uh-oh, it looks like it's going to rain there.
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