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	Hey there, hot boy.
	Come pick up my bags.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, December 6, 2012.
	Time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 467.
	This is no agenda.
	Undercover and on the land in the old town of Gitmo Nation lowlands.
	Good morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And still from northern Silicon Valley where I remain.
	Not going to Belize either.
	I'm John C. Devorak.
	It's Crackpot and Buzzkill in the morning.
	Yeah, that's right everybody.
	Surprise, surprise.
	A show where I am in Amsterdam, the Netherlands.
	Wait a minute.
	Yeah, surprise, surprise.
	Do you want to discuss this happenstance?
	Yeah, I think we should because I only arrived in the hotel, let's see, three hours ago after flying all night, setting up the studio, doing whatever prep I could.
	I mean, I did some prep in between the flight from Austin to Atlanta and Atlanta to Amsterdam.
	So here's what's going on, people.
	My lovely wife, the lovely Miss Mickey, has a technical issue with her visa and was not allowed to re-enter into the United States when she was due to return last Sunday.
	All very dramatic and traumatic.
	Aren't you married to the woman?
	Yes, I am, but her green card, you know, that's a process that takes a couple months and it hasn't come in yet.
	And so she literally cannot come in until some new paperwork is arranged.
	Now, mind you, she'd already been gone for two weeks running around Europe.
	And it will take, at minimum, two more weeks for Janet Napolitano's crew, who run the United States Customs Immigration Services, To get an approval to the embassy in Amsterdam.
	And of course I've spoken to consul generals, ambassadors, etc.
	And if they could just put a stamp, they'd do it.
	They'd love to.
	But they have no say in the matter.
	They have to wait until Janet Napolitano's people approve it.
	Then they can give her a stamp.
	Right.
	And they don't care about you.
	No, they do not.
	In fact, the Dutch consul general who's in California...
	Who we know.
	He's really frustrated.
	He's like, this is the worst.
	You can't do anything ever since 9-11.
	It's crazy.
	So I am going to be in Europe for at least the next two weeks.
	We are hoping to get home before Christmas and the New Year's.
	And of course, cover your ears, honey.
	I don't want her to hear.
	Of course, if things really go bad, then it could be three months, but hey, it could happen.
	Go to Paris for New Year's.
	Paris for New Year's is supposed to be really great.
	Yeah, and you know what?
	You know what's so cool is we have just cash rolling out of our ass.
	John, we're going to go to Paris and Vienna and we're going to stay at a bed and break.
	Well, you're going with Airbnb.
	This is exactly what we're doing.
	Right now we're in a hotel because I just wanted to make sure I could get in, get set up and have some Wi-Fi.
	And tomorrow we're going to go find an Airbnb here in Amsterdam.
	And at least until we figure out what the timeline is...
	And we're just going to have a...
	It's crazy!
	What time is it here, Mickey?
	I don't even know what time it is.
	What time is it here?
	It's 6.30 in the evening?
	I'm like, I slept...
	In the past 76 hours, I've slept two hours.
	No, it's going to make for a great show.
	Yeah, and of course, I'm fine.
	Thank you.
	And I had to get an immigration lawyer, Alan Klein.
	Now, these guys, they got a great scam going.
	All right, I can get this done for you.
	I need $2,300 checked to me, $1,550 checked to Department of Homeland Security for the expedited service.
	I need a $250 check to AMPTP. Don't ask what that is.
	It's like, okay.
	I'll do whatever you tell me to.
	So, this is going to be a weird Christmas.
	But at least we're together.
	And I did a pretty good job bringing all the additional clothes Mickey wanted me to bring.
	That was the most important thing.
	You're sitting there half naked yourself, though.
	Yeah, no, I have three.
	So, you know, I'm like packing.
	And usually Mickey does all the packing, which is great.
	So now I have to do it, not to think.
	And I'm like, oh, concentrate, concentrate.
	And then I'm like, okay, weigh the suitcase.
	Oh, 55 pounds.
	What's going to go?
	I guess my stuff.
	Hey, you can always buy stuff over there.
	Yeah.
	It's just...
	So you don't have...
	So I'm looking at Airbnb now, so you can get a place for...
	It's still not dirt cheap.
	It's not cheap.
	You're talking...
	For something that's reasonable, you're at least $100 a night.
	I mean, this is not...
	Yeah, that's right.
	Yeah.
	What about getting out of town?
	There must be cheaper places in Rotterdam.
	Well, we do...
	So we do have some friends, so we can probably, you know, bum off some people and stuff.
	Yeah, I'm going to go to Rotterdam.
	Hello!
	Is this on?
	We're not going to go to Rotterdam.
	We're not going to go to Rotterdam.
	It's gorgeous.
	You don't want to be in Rotterdam.
	We're Amsterdamers.
	We don't hang out in Rotterdam.
	This is not correct.
	It's like a five-minute drive.
	Give me a break.
	Five-minute?
	No.
	No, it's like a 40-minute drive without traffic.
	It's not a five-minute drive.
	And Amsterdam people don't hang out in Rotterdam.
	You misunderstand how this works.
	Anyway, so we'll have a...
	I think it will be good for the show in that regard that we'll have a nice, you know, kind of a European flair.
	Yeah, well, you'll be breeding new European news.
	I'm just saying, Rotterdam is a 25% to 33% cheaper.
	All right, all right.
	Stop it.
	This is not a good idea.
	Not going to Rotterdam.
	But anyway, the good news is the rig works.
	I brought the mobile set, the small mobile set, because I couldn't have the full-on Hot Pockets mobile tour.
	This is the rig that I usually take just on a weekend, but it sounds like it's doing okay, knock on wood.
	And we'll just have our show as regular.
	And we'll have some adventures, I guess.
	You will.
	I won't.
	But it's a little frustrating that you have this...
	Here's a sunny apartment.
	That's really...
	That is...
	We're kind of expecting that to happen, Jim.
	John's sound card is kind of on the fritz.
	Yeah, it is.
	But it's kind of like your Freddie Mercury.
	You're like, Galileo, Galileo!
	Here's what's bothering me.
	I have this really funny one-liner, and then the thing goes dead.
	I have to hit that button again.
	It's always going to be on the punchline.
	I've been hilarious, and you haven't heard a word of it.
	No, no, exactly.
	I'll go on.
	So let me just say, it's rather frustrating to have to go through this experience, and there is absolutely no two ways about these people.
	They've got their rules, these little Gestapo Nazis, and you're going to adhere to them, and you could have a million stamps and paperwork and letters from the Queen and whatever.
	You're not getting to do this unless you do it by their rules, and there is not a single diplomat Diplomat, mind you, who can help.
	No ambassador.
	No consul general.
	No Uncle Don.
	Uncle Don's like, get a lawyer.
	But the lawyer is like, I can fix this.
	I can do this.
	99.9%.
	Yeah, sure.
	Big talker.
	There's a little town called Leoward.
	Leoward?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Mickey, he doesn't get it, does he?
	Entire home!
	Entire home!
	He's looking at Airbnb.
	No, we're not going to go to Leobard.
	There's an entire home.
	It's a giant house for $77.
	This is not a good idea.
	I'm not liking this at all.
	It's alright.
	We'll figure it out.
	We're going to be on the lam, hiding from the man.
	You and McAfee.
	Yeah, it's exactly the same thing.
	Except we haven't been arrested yet.
	Where is Hauschen in Mir Nahi?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	We're not going there.
	Wherever it is, we're not going there.
	So let me tell you...
	Holy crap!
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Stop.
	Just one more last thing.
	One more house?
	It's on Tippie Island.
	It's uninhabited.
	It's an entire house for $66.
	Where's this?
	Tippie Island.
	In Holland?
	Yeah, uninhabited.
	Tippie Island is what it says.
	Tippie Island?
	And it says Dronten.
	Dronten.
	Dronten.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Dronten.
	Yeah, Mickey's...
	Oh, wait, wait, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry, John.
	I misread this.
	It's teepees.
	It's teepees.
	Teepees.
	John, um...
	John, Ixnay on the Elpe, you know, it's like...
	Yeah, okay.
	I'm not helping anymore.
	He's been freaking out for a week, and, you know, it's like, we need a little peace and calm.
	Okay, I'm just trying to help.
	Oh, boy.
	Okay.
	So, we will obviously have the European tour.
	Or something like that.
	We're going to do...
	We have an option to go visit Mr.
	Oil, who has been very kind, to hook us up on the island of Tenerife.
	As John fixes his sound card.
	That is an option for sure.
	And it's certainly a lot cheaper than Amsterdam.
	And we have an invitation to Vienna.
	Let me look on Airbnb Vienna.
	Hey, look.
	So let me tell you what's in the news here in Holland.
	How about that?
	How about some local news?
	Okay.
	Actually, start the show.
	Well, the show is started.
	So, as they got on the plane, by the way, they made those KLM planes smaller, I think, while I wasn't looking.
	Holy moly.
	That's tight.
	What carrier?
	KLM. Oh, they probably moved more seats than the extra row of seats.
	Airbus.
	And I had one of those seats where it's off-centered from the row in front.
	So my left foot was to the left of some, like, electronic box, and my right foot was to the right in my neighbor's space.
	You know, this is not good.
	Wow.
	Yeah, it sucked.
	And believe me, your flight ain't cheap when you're booking three days ahead.
	Okay, so something horrible happened here.
	You know, of course, soccer or football is the national sport here, obviously, as we produce many of the world's great footballers.
	And so there's quite a vibrant weekend, you know, semi-professional and amateur competition circuit.
	There's just every kid, you know, just like Little League hears, they go and they play soccer.
	And this gets pretty, you know, sometimes pretty aggressive.
	Parents, of course, I'm sure it's the same like Little League, you know, the parents are all beating each other up and stuff.
	And one of the volunteer referees, after a match, Where he, I guess the 15-year-olds who were playing, the team that I think lost, they didn't like a lot of his calls, they wound up kicking him to death.
	What?
	Yeah, in the head.
	Three 15-year-old kids.
	Now, to add insult to injury, they tried to keep it secret for a couple days, but of course...
	What was this, like, Bernie's vacation?
	I think it's kind of like when you're about to make a bad joke, that's when it kicks in.
	Yeah, I noticed.
	And it wasn't a bad joke.
	I said it was good.
	It did have to prop him up like he was weak in at Bernie's.
	Well, it wasn't the fact that he was kicked to death.
	It was the fact that the kids who did it were Moroccan.
	This is the problem.
	This is the problem.
	This is the big immigration problem that Europe has been dealing with, and the Netherlands is, it's a tinderbox, you know, it's bubbling under, and people are getting really, really angry, and it's not going to be good.
	So this is what everyone is talking about.
	And, you know, of course, this is Europe, man.
	Austerity is kicked in.
	You know, there's people like with no work, no, you know, no food.
	It's cold.
	There's snow.
	He has the snow?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it snowed last night.
	They're expecting a lot of snow tomorrow.
	Yeah.
	Now remember, we're coming from Texas.
	This is a shock.
	Yeah.
	Not good.
	So that's kind of the big news.
	And then everyone else has just...
	Everyone's just pissed off about...
	You know, the new government, well, of course, it's the same prime minister.
	And he basically ran in the election saying, no, we're not going to help any more bailouts or any countries.
	No, we're not going to do that.
	And of course, the Netherlands just contributed significantly to the 40 billion euro tranche for Greece.
	So everyone's like, hey, wait a minute.
	He lied to us.
	Yeah, really.
	Surprise, surprise.
	And I'm sure as we wander around the continent, we'll learn a lot more.
	It'll add a new flair to the show.
	So, all in all, I don't think it's bad.
	Miss Mickey and I will be very cozy together, living in close quarters in the teepee on the island.
	How much was the teepee?
	It's actually not just a teepee.
	It's like a whole village you own.
	Oh, really?
	We can go from teepee to teepee, really?
	Yeah, $66.
	Are you sure that it's not just one teepee and there's other people who have teepees?
	Well, I'd have to go back.
	Let me take another look.
	It says it's uninhabited, and there's one, two, three, four, five teepees that I can see.
	Nice.
	Let's see what it says.
	Accommodates 13.
	Oh, L in teepees.
	Ha, ha, ha.
	Yurts.
	Hey, in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak.
	In the morning to you, Adam Curry.
	In the morning to all ships and sea, boots on the ground, subs in the water, feet in the air, and all the knights and dames out there who support the show with religiosity.
	Yes, and thank you to Nick the Rat, who provided us with our album art on the previous episode, episode 46.
	This is episode 467 of the No Agenda show, also known as...
	The Best Podcast in the Universe!
	And, uh, that's right.
	No matter what happens, no matter what goes down, we are here for you, bringing you another fun-packed episode of the program.
	And, uh, do, uh, let's see, do we have, uh, someone helping us out on our endeavors today?
	Oh, yes we do.
	Ooh, okay, this is good.
	These are our silent nights.
	You want to talk about the producers?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm still here struggling with this thing.
	I didn't download the spreadsheet yet.
	Oh, okay.
	But I'm doing that right now as we speak.
	In fact, there it is.
	It's fast.
	The machine is fast.
	We can do something else.
	I got it.
	It's up.
	No, let's start with our producers, beginning with Wade Ostrander in White Court, Alberta, who has donated, contributed $2,000 on behalf of two silent nights that apparently are secret, and they've only discussed this with you.
	I have no knowledge of this.
	Yes, this is the silent nights have requested that I read a message for their company's answering machine.
	Oh.
	And in exchange for that, they both became knights.
	Okay, okay.
	How nice is that?
	That's great.
	We should do more.
	Well, this is your voiceover career.
	Hey, finally, score!
	I wonder what the residuals are.
	Yeah, well, maybe another knighthood.
	So we really appreciate that.
	Of course, there is some true value for value in the deal, but it's highly appreciated.
	Thank you so much, Wade.
	I have a feeling it should be...
	These aren't on-the-air reads?
	Well, we can do them on the air if we want, but I think that they really want a professional read for their business.
	Oh, I see.
	It's really for the answering machine.
	And I dialed in and I listened to the messages on there already.
	It's pretty professional, so they don't want a joke answering machine.
	They want to keep business.
	Push one if you want to hear this message again.
	No, it's not like that.
	It's really professional.
	Okay, well let's go on.
	Craig Harms in Wichita, Kansas is another executive producer.
	No karma.
	He says it's bogated.
	He's going to Lost Wages Nevada next week.
	Wish him luck.
	Follow me on Twitter at Greg Harms.
	Craig.
	C. C. C. C. C. C. C. C.
	I had to get that.
	I had to go, yeah, I had to go all the way to Amsterdam for you to have this go down.
	What, the machine?
	Yeah.
	I guess over to the laptop it works better.
	Well...
	Then we have to go to Skype.
	Oh, really?
	I'd prefer not to.
	Well, because I don't have a Mumble installed on that thing yet.
	Oh, and I'll say, oh, Skype will be horrible.
	You don't know that.
	Yeah, I do.
	You're probably right.
	I do.
	David, go to Twitter and add Craig Harms.
	H-A-R-M-S. David Goh is in New Lenox, Illinois, 468.
	Hey, 468 members.
	He's early.
	Yes, for next week.
	He said in advance, Chicago in the morning to your fellow wooden shoe Adam...
	Wow.
	Yeah, this is not going to work very well.
	I like your new icon.
	So I was just trying to run this Zadel Ultrabook.
	And so when you turn on Skype, all of a sudden the Dell decides to turn on its camera and the camera software.
	Of course, I always have a piece of tape over the camera.
	Of course.
	But meanwhile, it has all these little, you know, it's not, it's just, I can't get rid of this thing, and so it finally goes away, but it leaves these avatars on that actually move when you talk.
	It doesn't with Skype, obviously, but it does with the, whatever it is that Dell thing is.
	So I picked the cat, and then Skype, for some reason, said, okay, we'll use the cat, and it took this cat and made it my avatar.
	I like it.
	It's cute.
	Yeah, it's very funny, actually.
	So, here's a question for you.
	I'm thinking that something is very, very wrong with Putin.
	Because, you know, we've been tracking, you know, there's a story that we followed up on that apparently, you know, when he was coming back from that conference that his convoy was blown up, and that's why we haven't seen from him or heard from him, and other people are saying, oh, he was flying around with those geese.
	But the guy is basically MIA, and he's MIA, and then all of a sudden everyone gets really, really bold.
	To make it absolutely clear to Assad and those under his command, The world is watching.
	The world is watching.
	The use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable.
	And if you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences and you will be held accountable.
	I love this.
	I mean, it matters now how we kill people?
	Really, the chemical weapons is kind of cool.
	You know what I mean?
	It's like, you know, you don't ruin buildings, you know, you just call the population out a little bit, there's no rubble, you know, the people from a different region can move in later on.
	I mean, why is all of a sudden chemical weapons so incredibly important, other than it's a big distraction of the week?
	You know, don't look over here, please.
	In fact, we should, uh...
	Don't look over here!
	Nothing to see here!
	Ooh, look!
	And then...
	Well, here...
	I was...
	Yes.
	While you're on this topic, we should, at least I think this whole thing is, you brought up two topics at once, right in the middle of the executive producer rundown.
	Oh, we weren't done yet.
	You're right.
	I'm sorry.
	But we'll go back to that, because let's get the Putin thing.
	There's all these different messages coming out.
	One says he was practicing dancing or something and hurt his back.
	Dancing on us.
	Then they put him on codeine or something, and he's strung out, and that's the reason he's acting.
	I hadn't heard this one.
	He was on the Russian Dancing with the Stars, and then he had to get on codeine?
	Is that what happened?
	He was doing some dancing, and he fell, apparently, and hurt his back.
	So they had to dope him up.
	I still like the plane crash best.
	No, no, no.
	It was the explosion.
	His convoy was blown up.
	We know that that's the real story.
	When he was coming back from that conference, remember?
	Oh, right, right.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	That's the story.
	Yeah, somebody tried to assassinate him.
	But anyway, but then on another topic, a completely different topic, which is this chemical weapons thing, this is a scheme for an excuse to maybe put some boots on the ground or create a no-fly zone.
	There's something amiss with this because I have three clips on this that are all sketchy.
	And we can start with the first one, which is Carney.
	Yeah, this folks hold Carney.
	Carney comes up and then he has a stooge and one of the women in the audience asks a question and then she's supposed to follow up with another question, which he answers, but she doesn't ask.
	Wait a minute.
	Did someone hand out the wrong script?
	Is that what you're saying?
	He asked the question himself.
	The question...
	It's kind of funny, but play the carny, oops, wrong script clip.
	...partners on this issue.
	Chrissy?
	On those warnings to Assad yesterday, can you say more about what prompted them?
	What preparations has the administration been talking about are concerned?
	I would simply say that we closely monitor Syria's proliferation-sensitive materials and facilities.
	And we believe, as of now, that Syria's chemical stockpiles, chemical weapons stockpile remains under Syrian control.
	But we closely monitor them.
	And beyond that, I can't really discuss matters of intelligence.
	Could you also just say that as the rebels advance, is there concern on part of the administration that weapons of mass destruction could go volatile?
	Yes.
	Well, sorry, I said yes before I got to finish your question, and I apologize.
	I thought your question was going to be, as the opposition makes advances, do we have concerns about the possibility that the Assad regime, in desperation, might use chemical weapons?
	And the answer to that is yes.
	Broadly speaking, we have concerns about the disposition of chemical weapons, but as I noted earlier, it is our belief, based on our monitoring, that those weapons remain in control of the Syrian regime.
	Now, in Hollywood, we call this a very giving actor.
	Because, you know, clearly she messed up, and then he jumped the gun.
	But no matter what happened there in that little dialogue that was scripted, he jumped on the grenade and took it upon himself.
	So, bravo.
	A very giving actor.
	He's great to work with.
	He's a lovely man to work with.
	Very, very good, Mr.
	Carney.
	So, the other clip is...
	We're starting to see this show up in CNN and elsewhere.
	There's never been any indication, by the way, that...
	That there's a gas, there's anything that's going to happen with gas.
	And with this report, the Syria Doomsday Scenario report, which was on your buddy on CNN, what's her name?
	Oh, Erin Burnett?
	Yeah, Burnett.
	They never say that this has been threatened, or they even have it.
	They just make it up.
	This is like a made-up situation, and it's very interesting to listen to them make it up from scratch.
	Our third story out front tonight, breaking news out of the Pentagon.
	Sources tell CNN the U.S. is huddling with allies on what chemical attack by Sirius Bashar al-Assad.
	But notice it's all coming out of the Pentagon, from our Pentagon sources.
	...what God would actually look like.
	We have a picture from former CIA operative and CNN contributor Bob Baer here to show you.
	This is actually showing you what the impact of a single shell of sarin gas would be if it were launched on the western city of Homs in Syria.
	As you can see, the large swath of the city which would be affected by, again, a single shell.
	Notice how she stumbles there and says, show?
	Oh, that's a good one.
	I mean, shell, shell, shell, shell.
	About 18,000 people would be killed in a day.
	Let's get straight to see.
	18,000.
	What kind of number is that?
	Come on, at least throw a 33 in there, Bernadette.
	Yeah, and a correspondent, Barbara Starr.
	And Barbara, what have you learned tonight?
	I have a clip from Barbara Starr in a moment that's going to blow your socks off.
	Well, you know, Aaron, as tragic and serious as this is for the people of Syria, this now has regional implications, of course, throughout the Middle East.
	Ah, because of the cloud.
	Intelligence services from Israel, Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon...
	All the countries surrounding Syria are now talking with the United States around the clock about this very scenario because if there were to be, God forbid, a chemical attack, the concern is some of that could drift across borders.
	Worse, even as tragic as that would be.
	Are you yelling?
	No, that's the background.
	That's the noise they're playing.
	Wow.
	What if the regime collapses, terrorists move in?
	There's a car alarm.
	Insurgent groups move in and grab some chemical material.
	They could take it across those borders, into those neighboring countries.
	You then have a full-fledged crisis in the region.
	All right, okay.
	So, last...
	Okay, we'll play your clip.
	I got one last clip because there's another script action.
	Well, no, let me interject because after all this happened, I am actually, so I fly from Austin to Atlanta and And the plane is delayed.
	It doesn't leave until 1130 at night.
	And they have CNN on everywhere.
	And it's breaking news!
	Breaking news!
	Breaking news!
	Anderson Pooper on the scene!
	And he has the following report, which then rolls into another Barbara Starr, where she says something that...
	Actually, I can play half of it.
	That's really good, because she basically repeats the thing about the cloud wafting over.
	Everyone's all trippy.
	But this was the best.
	Welcome back.
	We've got important breaking news.
	Important breaking news.
	It's not just any breaking news.
	Important breaking news.
	This is important breaking news.
	Pay attention, slaves.
	Right now, NBC News is reporting that U.S. officials say their worst fears have been confirmed that the Syrian military has loaded chemical weapons inside bombs.
	NBC says those same officials say that Bashar al-Assad's forces are now awaiting final order to use those loaded missiles against Syria's own people.
	So they got a lot of information.
	Let's switch over to the NBC report that Anderson Pooper is referring to.
	We begin tonight with an important story.
	See?
	Important breaking news, important story.
	So that's where they're cross-pollinating.
	Details of which may sound very familiar to a lot of Americans.
	Now, what they're showing in the background is actual picture of Iraq.
	Okay?
	They're showing file footage.
	It says, file footage, Iraq.
	Given our history over the past few years in places like Iraq.
	Tonight, Pentagon sources are telling NBC News Syria is preparing chemical weapons for their possible use against the Syrian people in the form of aerial bombs.
	It's believed this specific intelligence...
	Is the reason why President Obama took a hard line against Syria just a few days ago, warning them there would be consequences if these weapons were used.
	Now, let's go back to Pooper.
	This video posted online, which we should say we can't independently verify.
	Because it's just a picture of some pointy things, some sticks, some metal tubes.
	Proports to show Syrian missiles that have been modified to carry chemical and biological weapons.
	Ah.
	Modified.
	But wait, it gets better.
	Wait until Barbara Starr comes in.
	Now, obviously, this is a sobering development, a situation that seems to be getting worse by the day.
	Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr joins me now, along with CNN contributor and former CIA officer Bob Baer, and on the phone, CNN national security contributor Fran Townsend.
	Barbara, I know you're working to confirm this NBC report.
	How much would this development change the situation?
	I mean, if the U.S. military is going to act to prevent Assad from gassing his own people, it would seem, if they loaded this stuff into weapons, the time to do it would be at hand.
	Well, right now, I can tell you, Anderson, if this turns out to be true, even if not, the U.S. military, the CIA... Even if it's not true!
	It's a great story.
	I'm up here at night.
	We're having a good time.
	Alright.
	I mean, this is so much...
	Even if not.
	This is so much bullcrap, this.
	And this is why I brought up Putin, because I think...
	Ultimately, the Middle East, if you go back to the days of Churchill, there wasn't even an Iraq or a Jordan.
	These were all names that were made up much later.
	It's always kind of the British imperialists against the Russians.
	And now it's maybe us by proxy, our special relationship.
	It's basically grabbing the turf from the Russians.
	I think Putin is out of commission.
	I think they're weak.
	And there's confusion about who's running the show in Russia.
	And I think that's why, besides the fact that it's a great time to strike, because we've got all this other crap that needs to be covered up, like Benghazi, we have, I think, 2,000 or 3,000 troops on the USS Enterprise You know, parked right off of Syria.
	I think it's just like, hey, Russia's weak, let's go in, we can nail it now.
	What do you think?
	I'm not going to argue that that's not a bad theory.
	The thing that's interesting about the clips that you played and the clips I was playing is the comment at the NBC, what's his name?
	Brian Williams.
	Williams says, he says, this is very familiar to Americans.
	And the reason that's interesting because my last clip, which is about the script, because we're looking at scripts here.
	I mean, this is scripted in every which way the way we see it.
	So tell me about the historical script.
	The last time this script played out was Iraq.
	Well, no, the last time it played out was in Libya.
	Oh, of course, with Gaddafi, yes.
	If you listen to this script, you're going to get the common element, which they always bring in.
	That's what's very familiar.
	Here we go again.
	Fledged crisis in the region, Aaron.
	Now, there has been talk that Bashar al-Assad may try and seek asylum.
	What are you being told about that and the possibilities?
	Well, you know, there's a lot of rumors out there.
	That's what our network runs on!
	Three countries that you hear about the most are Russia, Venezuela, and Iran.
	All countries that have been his allies, although the Russians clearly are losing some of their support for Assad given this recent crisis with the chemical weapons.
	So those are the countries you hear about.
	Now, the assessment is that Assad isn't ready to go.
	The U.S. says they haven't seen anything in terms of concrete asylum offers.
	But, you know, the U.S. is happy to let it be out there as a rumor.
	Maybe Assad's commanders will think the boss is getting cold feet and might desert them.
	All right.
	Barbara Starr, thank you very much.
	We're up front next.
	57%.
	Shut up.
	Shut up.
	Barbara Starr, she's in there for somebody.
	She's like the representative.
	It's funny because she actually looks like Ringo Starr's sister.
	I can't remember what she looks like.
	Oh, please.
	Imagine Ringo Starr with breasts.
	No, I just really have an image I just can't deal with.
	Deal with it.
	Deal with it, my friend.
	So we have the same scenario.
	It's a reset, a reboot.
	Americans are very familiar with it.
	And so they're running the same game.
	And I can just imagine Assad going, what are they talking about?
	We haven't got any missiles poised.
	I'm seeking asylum?
	Are they kidding me?
	No, boys, I don't even talk to these people.
	Yeah, Venezuela, I mean, they're making up countries.
	There's always something, you know, it's the same thing with Gaddafi.
	He was seeking asylum.
	It was going to be Venezuela.
	Right.
	No, he was next door.
	There's always something in South America.
	No, remember, it was, you called it.
	It was, what was it, right next door?
	And half his family showed up there.
	Oh, come on, man.
	You actually, I remember you calling it on Morocco.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	Algeria?
	Algeria, yes.
	Yeah, Algeria.
	Yeah, it was rumored to be in Algeria.
	Yeah, supposedly.
	In fact, if you remember, when they already caught the two sons, they were supposedly out of the country.
	The wife was someplace else.
	I mean, we had this with Assad's wife.
	She was supposedly in Russia, but I think we saw her recently in Syria, you know, living it up on the Riviera that they have.
	All I know is I keep seeing pictures of her with the Asads with Brad and Angelina, with Carrie and Teresa Hines.
	I mean, this is a replay of the script, because if you look at Gaddafi, Just Google some pictures.
	Everybody's hanging out with Gaddafi.
	Everybody's his bestest buddy.
	Until he screwed over the French on the arms deal, because they sent him refurbished weapons, he's like, screw that, I'm not paying.
	And they went, oh really?
	And then he wanted to nationalize all the oil.
	I mean, this is exactly what's going on.
	No, I think...
	I think that...
	Just to me, it feels like there's a Putin thing.
	That is the problem, because all of a sudden...
	Why are we so bold, right?
	Because this has been the problem.
	The chemical weapon thing first emerged a couple months ago, and then it died.
	And now it's in full force, as though reports from the Pentagon...
	They don't have anybody on their feet on the ground over there, boots on the ground, that knows anything.
	And then they show pictures...
	Of these missiles?
	What are they?
	You can't just take a missile and knock the top of it off and shove in some gas.
	It's called modifying.
	Hold on a second.
	It's modified.
	Let me just...
	I've just got some sarin gas.
	I'm gonna put...
	Let me screw...
	John, unscrew the top.
	Unscrew the top.
	We're putting the sarin in.
	The only country that uses chemical weapons on its own people is here in the United States.
	We do it to college students, okay, in Berkeley.
	We spray them with pepper spray, actual chemical warfare against our own people.
	We do that to occupiers.
	We do that.
	Well, they do in Greece, too.
	They've actually been doing it all over Europe.
	Right.
	Anyway, so this whole thing is an upcoming fiasco, which is just going to get worse by the minute.
	You might be right about Putin.
	I mean, he may be completely out of commission, and he might not make a comeback, and the next thing you know, they're going to have a real...
	Another election.
	They're going to have a real problem.
	Now, there's something else that happened...
	And this is also coming out of the State Department.
	As you know, the woman who used to work directly for Lucifer Hillary Clinton now runs Amnesty International.
	And Amnesty comes out with a report which the BBC was happy to come through on about Yemen.
	It's being called a human rights catastrophe by Amnesty International.
	The horrifying story of an armed military group carrying out public executions and other atrocities in Yemen.
	The war crimes are said to have taken place in Yemen's southern Abiyan region between February of last year, that's 2011 and...
	Now this is interesting because this is the southern region, not the northern region where we've been droning all the time...
	So this is something new.
	June this year.
	The fierce fighting was between government forces and the militia group Ansar al-Sharia, which is linked to Al-Qaeda.
	The Amnesty International report says the group carried out amputations, floggings, public killings, and even crucifixions.
	Amputations?
	Floggings?
	And even crucifixions?
	I mean, I'm surprised...
	Where's the video?
	Well, I mean, I'm surprised they should lay this on Assad.
	This is good stuff.
	This is a new scriptwriter in town.
	Crucifixions?
	Seriously?
	So the Muslims are nailing up people to crosses?
	Is this really what's happening?
	Am I supposed to believe this?
	Seems very unlikely.
	Is this really an amputation?
	Beheadings make sense, but no.
	So, I will say that...
	Gunmen attacked an oil pipeline near the Gulf of Aden, which is in the south.
	So maybe this is some retaliation or we need some reason to go in and drone these guys, these poor saps.
	We're probably just, you know, and that's 8,000 barrels of crude a day.
	Is that a lot?
	Seems like a lot.
	That's a pretty decent pipeline, right?
	It's not really that big, but yeah.
	None of these pipelines are really that, it's just constant, you know.
	I don't know what the...
	I have to look at the rate.
	Well, you know what's in the Gulf of Aiden, don't you?
	Yeah, the starfish.
	Stargate, exactly.
	Stargate, so that you can replenish it with more fish.
	That's the stargate.
	Let's go back to our executive producers and wrap them up.
	We had Craig Harms in Wichita, Kansas.
	Excuse me.
	That's not good.
	David Goes, a new Lenox, Illinois, 468.
	In the morning, he's also apparently a fellow wooden shoe.
	Oh, so his name would be Goose.
	Yeah, Goose.
	Oh, you said Goose.
	It says Goose.
	I'm sure it's pronounced Goose here.
	No, I'm sure that he runs around saying, Hello, I'm David Goose.
	Okay, well maybe he does run around.
	Queens from Gitmo Nation South, I think 468 may be a bit premature, but I call it my preemptive Iranian contribution.
	On the last show, Adam, you said you watched three hours of congressional autism hearings and you had some clips and then you got sidetracked.
	Yeah.
	WTF? That's the resident crackpot autism dad of Gitmo Nation and father to the spinning night.
	I have to say I need some coverage of this bullcrap.
	So I downloaded the 3 hour and 18 minute recording and I will have time during my stay in lovely chilly lowlands to find...
	I watched a lot of it and it was just funny because it's just all the stuff we know about, all the stuff that they're pushing on us, the DSM-5.
	If your kid walks on his tiptoes, get him on some drugs!
	So it's not like there's really any shocking information, but I will commit to putting anything out there that I find that is new or interesting other than all the people in the hearings are in the back pocket of the pharmaceutical companies and their entire intent is to get your kid on drugs.
	Yeah, well that's pretty much the whole intent of the medical industry.
	In the meantime, he says, on my last rant, I didn't ask for karma, but you gave it to us anyway.
	Thank you!
	Since then, my wife and her business partner's book, Thinking Mom's Revolution, has been picked up and will be released for publication in March, April of 2013.
	Thanks for the unsolicited karma.
	In response, please give the Who's clan...
	Aha, there you go.
	An orange-clad speed-skating round of shut-up, slaves, and some get-well karma from my pop, who is a Notre Dame grad and a big Notre Dame football fan recovering from a bout of illness in the pharma hospital.
	Go Irish.
	Shut up, slaves!
	You've got karma.
	And when I get back, let's make sure when the book is out we get the girls on the big book show.
	I'd love to interview them about that.
	After I've read it, of course.
	I'm sure it's going to be a great book.
	I sent us copies, autographed.
	Chris Eisbach in Cheshire, Connecticut, also an executive producer for 2042.
	Today's my birthday and I turned the magical 42.
	Yay!
	The answer to life, the universe, and everything.
	So I'm making a 42-inspired donation, which should put me quite close.
	But just short of a knighthood, I'm saving that little bit to find out what the next knight award will be in 2013.
	You better hurry because we have until the 21st and then we're all dead.
	That's what he says.
	He says we have to worry about that.
	I'd like to call out our whole government as douchebags.
	Douchebag.
	Plus two to the head, which is more than most of them deserve for taking us to the cliff.
	I'd also like to ask for a bit of karma to help enter the new year unscathed.
	Well, I'm thinking I can do a nice little combo for him here.
	So, why don't we...
	Hey.
	Well, that's weird.
	Hmm.
	Oh no, I got it.
	Ugh.
	You know, I got the mobile rig here, so...
	You've got Carmen.
	I think it was worth it.
	Andrew Lassemini in Colorado Springs, Colorado, 36969, also an executive producer in the morning.
	I apologize for my long absence, but I've always wanted to be a producer.
	And I was 36969 from knighthood for someone so fond of the swaddle hoof.
	Swaddle hoof.
	I couldn't think of a better time to boil some kibble and save a few shekels.
	I'm a big fan of numerology, and for others that are interested, I recommend Mary Leeds at MaryLeeds33.com.
	For those not interested in numbers that still like to read, I wrote a trashy epic novel using memes to unite instead of divide us, and as much NLP as a young novice could muster.
	This book will rewrite your brain to be kind, brave, and wise.
	It's called The End of Marvelous, and you can harness the power of the inner tubes.
	It was found at mandrewjones.com, also Amazon, and he wants to be on your show.
	He wants the best podcast in the universe, he wants the smartest podcast in the universe, he wants a WTC7 for Richard Andrew Grove, and while you're at it, some book karma for The End of Marvelous.
	WTC7 won't go away!
	You've got karma.
	I just want to point out that even though I'm on the road, I have not slept in days, I'm like banging out the donation jingles here.
	Wade Deming would like one.
	He's in Anchorage, Alaska.
	3-3-3-3-3.
	He'll be our executive producer for today's show, too.
	He wants no agenda QSL cards.
	Use episode art for the specific donation day.
	Collect the whole set.
	73.
	Ha, ha.
	I think that's a fine idea.
	I think we should totally do QSL cards.
	Excellent.
	Yeah, we should do QSL cards.
	Paul Schneider in Edmonton, Alberta, 26969.
	Associate Executive Producer.
	Please credit me as Paul Schneider.
	Merry Christmas and thanks for the show.
	E-B-E-L-L-C, Morrisville, North Carolina, 22222.
	I'm hoping to make this an in-person donation Saturday morning, but I parted way too soon on the San Antonio Riverwalk Friday night after the Rush concert.
	Oh, boy.
	I, however, made it to Halcyon a couple days ago.
	Oh, yeah, he sent me a note and he got a burrito.
	Yeah, so Halcyon is where I normally hang out on Saturdays after the market.
	A burrito.
	But he came late, so I was already gone.
	I mean, I think he went like late night or whatever.
	I'm there for lunch and the bottomless mimosas.
	He's from Worseville, North Carolina.
	He's in Raleigh, actually.
	Come out to San Francisco and get the Mission Burrito, the classic.
	If you want to be walking around like you have a brick in your stomach.
	Well, you don't have to eat the whole thing at once.
	Although the crazy thing about some of this Mexican food out here is you can't stop eating it when you start.
	Like you get a couple of enchiladas and you eat all these beans and stuff and you do.
	You get horror.
	It's horrible.
	You just don't feel good.
	Rodney E. Gravenstein, or Gravenstein, one of the two.
	Checking in from Seattle.
	Keep up the good work.
	One donation away from Nighthood.
	Skipping episodes to keep up for your wise words of wisdom.
	A little clippy-clop.
	Too delicious.
	Karma seems to be in order.
	Can't wait for a ring to really have stinging freedom on the cheeks of sheeple in the world around.
	Hot wax in the face from the best podcast in the universe.
	You are really starting to break up a little bit, but we'll see how long it lasts.
	It's almost too delicious to believe, my friend.
	You've got karma.
	And that's it for our executive producers for show 467.
	I want to thank them all and remind everybody to go to devork.org slash NA. To keep the show up and running.
	And from the sound of it, hopefully we'll keep it up and running.
	It's almost like you're on an 80 meter band and you're fading fast as conditions are going away.
	Hey, whatever you do, help us out by propagating our formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	the mouth.
	Whoops.
	Water.
	Water.
	Holy shit.
	Shut up.
	Shut up, Slade!
	There we go.
	A little slippage of the finger there, late at night.
	Are you there?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Now you're really, like, weak.
	Your signal is weak, sir.
	Hey, I'm losing the dipole up, and we'll be, uh...
	I'm a ham rig here.
	Let's reconnect real quick.
	Let's reconnect real quick.
	That's going to help.
	I can hear myself.
	It doesn't matter if you can hear yourself.
	It's this loud.
	What do you mean?
	I can turn this down a little bit.
	Is that better?
	Let me test.
	That's a little better.
	What were you discussing?
	I have no idea.
	Let's just do some clips.
	Yeah.
	So, while you were setting up the mumble, which is definitely a better sound, Ms.
	Mickey handed me a plate of bitter balls.
	Are you familiar with the bitter ball concept?
	I never heard, I never, don't know what you're talking about.
	In Holland, have you ever had a croquette?
	Probably.
	Yeah.
	So the croquette is kind of like a long version of the bitterball.
	And the bitterball is just a round ball version of the croquette.
	And it's really, really nice.
	So why don't you set up a clip so I can take a bite, because I haven't eaten in two days.
	Well, I got a seven-minute clip.
	No, no, no.
	Just do something relevant to today's show.
	We don't need any seven-minute clips.
	So here is a funny clip.
	This is a minor issue that took place this week when some guy in a football game, Bob Costas, made some commentary about this.
	A football player had shot his girlfriend and then gone over to the stadium where he works, thanked the coach for helping him, and then shot himself in the head.
	Right.
	But wait a minute.
	All the mainstream media is on this story and you're bringing this into the best podcast in the universe?
	There must be a very good reason for this.
	Yes.
	Because Lawrence O'Donnell, who is a douchebag par excellence, he decides to make some commentary on this and he makes this crazy conclusion.
	It's like this jaw-dropping, why does anybody listen to these people on MSNBC if this is their idea of an analysis of the situation?
	I mean, you just have to play it.
	Self-formers, predator drones, tanks, and nuclear weapons.
	I, for one, played enough football in high school and watched enough football for years after that to be done with football a long time ago.
	But I'm glad that Bob Costas and Jason Whitlock aren't done with football.
	I'm glad they were there this weekend to speak to the football world about the biggest thing that happened in football this weekend.
	And for Mike Huckabee, Herman Cain, and the Don't Blame the Gun crowd...
	Mike Lupica had this question today in his column.
	How many home runs would Babe Ruth hit without a bat?
	What?
	What does that even mean?
	How many of these bitter balls would you eat without a mouth?
	Or, with no mustard, the black crow flies at dawn.
	What the hell is MSNBC thinking?
	This is crazy.
	Believe me, I didn't edit that.
	There was nothing done.
	That ended just with that.
	That's crazy.
	Before I left, I did catch some pretty outrageous stuff.
	We've talked about this many times on the show.
	The United Nations has all of these crazy treaties that they want us to ratify.
	So we have the Law of the Sea Treaty, which is having a hard time even getting to a vote to be ratified.
	We have the The Rule of the Children Treaty, that's not the actual name of it, but where you can't discipline your child and the United Nations basically makes the children the boss over the parents.
	We've read some of that legislation here on the show.
	And the most recent one was the UN legislation against discrimination of disabled people.
	And, to me, I need to bring out this analysis for people who are listening to us who are not in the United States of Gitmo Nation.
	This was a setup, as far as I'm concerned, and Jon Stewart, shame on you, he did like 10 minutes on this, a setup to get people to not focus on the fact that there's no reason for us to be ratifying UN treaties.
	There's no reason at all.
	I read the entire treaty.
	I have a copy in the show notes.
	I have a clip, and by the way, I'm glad you read the treaty.
	Because there's nothing...
	It's like, so what?
	You could replace the word disabled person with human being.
	It was basically a human rights treaty.
	You know, about human rights.
	The only thing that it missed was disabled people shall be allowed to use the internet.
	I mean, it was like, what is this?
	Let me play the bull crap, and then I want to hear your clip.
	I'm very interested.
	So I'll start off with O'Donnell, who...
	I mean, the way these guys were laying it on was just baffling to me.
	In the United States.
	Before you do...
	Wait, stop.
	Yeah.
	I want to say that I have exactly the same take as you on this.
	This thing is befuddling.
	And why is the left and all these MSNBC people, why are they so into this when it's just, I agree, we don't have to sign any of these things.
	I mean, we have our own laws about disabled.
	I'm telling you why.
	Because we have to shame everybody.
	And the word shame is big on this one.
	Shame the Republicans.
	The Senate, whoever.
	Just shame everybody so that the next time when a really important one comes up, it actually has some language that means something.
	I'm not saying that the disabled treaty doesn't mean anything, but it doesn't affect us either way.
	We have very good laws, and we don't need to sign on to this bullcrap UN stuff.
	But I think what it means is...
	Can you get that, love?
	Thank you.
	I think what it means is it's prepping people so that we don't...
	I kind of like your theory, basically, but it seems to me that there...
	I don't believe that.
	I think there is something screwy about this, or some little hidden tidbit.
	No, no, John, I read the whole thing.
	Some sovereignty thing.
	No, no, no, no, nothing.
	The only reason not to sign it is because there's no reason to sign it!
	Because once you start signing treaties, well, then let's do the Internet Freedom Treaty.
	Let's do the Law of the Sea Treaty.
	Let's do the Rights of the Children Treaty.
	And why don't we just...
	You know what?
	We don't need the Senate.
	Let's just have the United Nations run everything.
	That's the point.
	Okay, go on, play the clip.
	By the way, floor manager is a universal television term.
	For the guy who's running the show on the floor, so he can talk to the director up in the booth.
	Yeah, pointing at the cameras.
	Yeah.
	Okay, and three, two, one, and you're on.
	On the other side of the aisle, the senior Republican on the Foreign Relations Committee rose, not in opposition, but in support of that same treaty.
	Richard Lugar and John Kerry got 61 votes in the Senate today for ratification of the United Nations Treaty on the Rights of the Disabled, which was modeled on a law passed by the Senate.
	Twenty-two years ago, the Americans with Disabilities Act.
	In effect, it was a vote to export American law to the 155 nations around the world that have signed this treaty, a treaty that has already been ratified by 126 of those countries, including the United Kingdom, France, Germany, China, Russia has ratified it.
	Now, you can pass anything in the Senate with 60 votes.
	Except treaties, which require 66, a two-thirds majority.
	Every Democrat voted for the treaty and only 8 Republicans voted for the treaty.
	38 Republicans disgraced themselves and disgraced the Senate.
	By voting against it and controlling the outcome.
	So that's O'Donnell.
	And then we have, so that's kind of the Republican left side, the Democrat left side, the progressive douchebag.
	Now here's the right-hand side, Mourning Joe, with Joe Scarborough, who is the right-hand side.
	See?
	Pretty much the same thing.
	now it is scar tissue that slowly but surely builds up for good decent hard-working Americans see what's going on in Washington DC and they're not even ideological but And they go, wait a second.
	We have wounded warriors here.
	We have American heroes.
	We have people that have voted their entire life to try to help other wounded warriors across the globe.
	Did he say devoted or voted their entire...
	I think he said voted their entire life.
	Let me listen again.
	Their entire...
	Ah, shoot.
	Hold on.
	We have wounded warriors here.
	We have American heroes.
	We have people that have voted their entire lives.
	He says voted, doesn't he?
	I think it just came out wrong.
	To try to help other wounded warriors across the globe.
	They did have people in wheelchairs.
	But it's unnecessary.
	We have the most incredibly friendly laws for disabled people, disabled shittisons, To me, really, John, the only reason is to say, our government doesn't work.
	Look at how great the world government is.
	Maybe just have the UN do everything.
	They've got all the great treaties.
	Shame!
	Shame!
	I think that's part of it.
	I think there's maybe also something more sinister, which is to keep more of our disabled overseas and office jobs and various places.
	I didn't, John, I read this thing really carefully.
	No, but this is kind of, play my clip and then there is this explanation.
	What I just said is kind of, again, the left says it, but they say it.
	You've got to give me a hint on the clip here.
	It just says disability on it, treaty.
	Oh, well, that's a clue.
	He argued yesterday on the floor.
	I and many of my constituents, including those who homeschool their children or send their children to private or religious schools, have justifiable doubts that a foreign UN body, a committee operating out of Geneva, Switzerland, should decide what is in the best interest of the child at home with his or her parents in Utah or in any other state in our great union.
	Oh my God.
	Let me go to Ted Kenney on that.
	Ted, you have a disability.
	You lost a leg to cancer years ago.
	I've always admired how you've handled it.
	What does it mean to somebody who's disabled this bill?
	To an American, for example?
	Well, I think that for disabled Americans, we feel that the Republican Party have really turned their backs.
	Because what this treaty does, as Senator Kerry, who by the way has been our champion on this in so many issues, and I commend Senator Kerry as well as Senator Lugar and the eight Republican senators who bucked the trend of incredible pressure by the extremists in the right wing of this party to somehow mischaracterize this treaty.
	The treaty is simple.
	It simply says that disabled Americans, including disabled American veterans, are afforded the same rights overseas as they are here at home, which is why...
	Now, I'm not buying any of this.
	By the way, did you notice his little...
	I think it was an intentional flub?
	No, I missed that.
	Where he pronounced the word extremist as extremist.
	No, I missed that.
	You did?
	No, I thought you'd catch that for sure.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	Well, I'm also...
	Following along with the people in the chat room with their opinions.
	But I don't think this has nothing to do with homeschool.
	It just purely, to me, why do we have to ratify anything from the United Nations?
	And I read through this thing.
	You know me.
	I love this stuff.
	I'm like, okay, there's something great in here.
	It's like, no, it's basically exactly the same thing that is our law.
	It's like recognizing that, believing in, so that we all agree that.
	Well, big deal!
	Well, here's the point.
	Here's what gets me.
	I mean, it is a sovereignty play, but does anybody really expect to be a ramp up the Eiffel Tower for somebody in a wheelchair, which this law would require if it's going to be the same as what we have in this country, the Americans with Disabilities Act, which is why all these ramps are everywhere?
	You know, you can't, if there's steps, you have to have a ramp.
	And so we do.
	We have them all over.
	Well, the Eiffel Tower does have wheelchair accessibility up to the second level.
	So you can get up there.
	Can't get to the top.
	No.
	No, you can't get to the top.
	I don't think you can...
	What about the roof of the Notre Dame?
	How about the Washington Monument while we're at it then?
	I mean, that's bullcrap.
	That's not...
	It's just...
	We know that there are treaties...
	Look, this is the only thing that I can say is we know there are treaties out there that we have discussed that have things in there that are not...
	And I'm not even talking about a sovereignty.
	It's just not even advantageous to us.
	The whole Internet freedom thing.
	Screw off with that.
	I don't want the United Nations telling us what we can and can't say on the internet.
	That goes against our definition of freedom of speech.
	Because you can't talk poorly about other religions, according to the United Nations.
	So, I think the whole point is, you know, hey, you horrible, shameful people, I can't believe that you voted against invalids, which is where the word comes from, invalids of the disabled, and therefore you better, you know, look sharp on the next treaty or we'll shame you again.
	That's the only one that's not important.
	I heard Hillary talking about Law of the Sea just the other day.
	She's bringing it up again.
	There's something going on with that.
	Well, this whole thing is pretty thematic.
	On MSNBC, that substitute guy for Rachel Maddow, whose name I can never remember, the guy with the funny glasses, the fast-talking guy.
	I don't know.
	I don't watch.
	They had a little discussion on the marijuana bill, and we can play that.
	By the way, the clip is, I think, a minute or two, but it goes on for ten minutes, and then I have to make a comment on the thing after you play the short part of the clip.
	Tony DeCoppel, senior writer at Newsweek and the Daily Beast and author of the recent Newsweek cover story, The New Pot Barons.
	Great to have you, Tony.
	Thank you for having me.
	All right, so this is a statement out of the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Western District of Washington, which kind of highlights exactly the issue here.
	The statement reads, In enacting the Controlled Substance Act, Congress determined that marijuana is a Schedule I controlled substance, regardless of any changes in state law, including the change that will go into effect on December 6th in Washington State.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	He goes on to say, Basically, members of the public are advised to remember it remains against federal law to bring any amount of marijuana onto federal property, including all federal buildings, natural parks, forests, military installations, and courthouses.
	This is an indicator, right, of what is going to happen when this...
	This titanic clash has been set up between the state of Washington, what its voters have duly chosen, and what the federal government says is illegal.
	Absolutely.
	That's either a rogue U.S. attorney or it's a trial balloon from the Obama administration.
	And I think more likely it's a trial balloon because Obama himself has said, look, I'm the president, but I can't legalize marijuana because Congress has outlawed it.
	Either way, it is a trial balloon in the sense that it's going to have a chilling effect on the evolution of the industry in Washington.
	I mean, the governor of the state, the regulators, when they get together to hash out the structure of the market, they are conspiring to break federal law.
	They are committing a crime.
	So how is that going to play out?
	I mean, in both these states, you have, you know, basically the law says they're going to have legalized marijuana growth and distribution and regulated.
	Can any of that even take place unless there is some resolution from the federal government about how they're going to treat it?
	All right.
	But by the way, when I'm blowing my nose, it's not on the air.
	You're just hearing it through the mic.
	So...
	This goes on for another ten minutes for the same kind of debate.
	Not once, and they'll never mention this on MSNBC, do they ever discuss the Tenth Amendment.
	Why isn't the anti-drug law part of the Constitution?
	It's essentially illegal for the federal government, based on the Constitution, to have these laws in the first place.
	It's up to the states.
	They never discuss this.
	They just go back and forth about what Obama wants and what he can and cannot do, which is also bogus, because he could minimize enforcement.
	He said, we're not going to enforce these laws.
	He could do it at the drop of a hat.
	He promised he was going to do it when he was elected in 2008.
	Didn't do it.
	He instead sent the mad dogs out to California.
	So this is all bullcrap.
	And these left-wingers, they just are beside themselves.
	Why is Obama on our side?
	He has no choice.
	He has to enforce these laws.
	And he's already not enforced numerous laws that are federal laws.
	So this whole thing and the Tenth Amendment issue is again...
	Part of this, let's just federalize this, make a national government, screw the states, and it's what it's all leading to.
	Yeah.
	Anyways.
	Well, hello, this is the basic premise.
	And then let's just give it over to the United Nations.
	Exactly.
	Since that's a fractal.
	That's a fractal.
	Exactly.
	So you have the states...
	To the central government, just like we have Europe, where everyone here has given up all their control and their sovereignty.
	No, I'm sorry.
	They're pooling their sovereignty with Brussels.
	That all leads up into, I guess, North American Union or whatever.
	We joke about it, but you know we're going to be like 70 one day.
	We're going to be like...
	Hey, crap!
	Strike that one out of the red book!
	We knew it was going to happen!
	It literally is coming true, but the programming that is...
	So you're pointing out something so obvious, but so good to reiterate it.
	When you just gloss over all of that, the programming is in on these people.
	In fact, didn't I read the report that Rachel Maddow and someone out there were all getting a private briefing from the president?
	Sharpton, Maddow...
	O'Donnell.
	And O'Donnell.
	They got like a private briefing from the president?
	No, they got their walking orders.
	And here's the clip that got me.
	This was a few days before that.
	Let's see.
	Secret tape.
	Where's the one with Maddow?
	She is bitching and moaning about the Petraeus, the leaked Petraeus tape, where some woman who works for Fox makes the claim.
	Secret tape analysis?
	Is that the one?
	Yeah, that must be it.
	Here, play this, and then I'll discuss Maddow, what a hypocrite she is.
	This audio recording is rather salacious news, but buried under all...
	Wait, was I flying and I missed some sex tape?
	Give me the background.
	What did I miss?
	Okay, you missed?
	Oh, no.
	Oh, no, I missed the sex tape from Petraeus?
	With that hot babe?
	With Paula?
	Really?
	Oh, God damn!
	Yeah, he howls.
	He howls when he...
	No.
	Anyway, so, no.
	What happened was they had done an interview in 2011 while he was still in Afghanistan with Fox.
	And this woman, whose name is...
	You can type in tape and figure out what her name is.
	She's interviewing him for an hour, and then she let the tape running.
	At the end, and she starts talking to him, you know, Roger Ailes would like to make sure that you don't take any other jobs because they think you should run for president.
	This is in 2011.
	And she's just blowing smoke.
	And he's saying, yeah, right, I don't care.
	Just to summarize.
	Yeah, well, you know, I like Roger.
	He's a good guy.
	He's a sharp guy.
	They mention that a little bit here, too.
	And this is the second part.
	I'm not going to play.
	I didn't clip.
	I have the first part, but it's kind of boring, to be honest about it.
	And it's just basically she's going on and on, and he's saying, I don't think so, essentially.
	And she says, well, can you at least have a meeting with him?
	And I got that part on this tape.
	And he says, yeah, I'll have a meeting with him.
	He's a really smart guy.
	Oh, he's a great guy, she says, knowing the tape's running, and he's going to end up hearing it.
	Just kiss ass.
	So the whole thing goes on, and then Rachel goes off the deep end about, oh, this shows you how Fox is in bed with the Republicans, and they're trying to vet candidates for the Republican Party.
	Then two days later, she's in the White House getting her marching orders from Obama.
	What a...
	It was ludicrous!
	Kathleen T. McFarland...
	Yeah, who cares what she says?
	...who kind of looks like a little milfier version of Paula...
	You know what?
	These people, you know, they're all criminally insane.
	You know, they got motor caves, they got, you know, they got whores, whores everywhere, I'm telling you.
	They just got hookers and blow, and, you know, I don't even think they're capable of selling weapons and running anything.
	They're just buying servers and spending money and blowing each other.
	There's nothing going on but just a waste of money and sex.
	I think that this whole...
	This whole tape was her flirting with him, to be honest about it.
	But anyway, he played this and he'd hear Maddow go on and on.
	That salaciousness.
	There is also something newsworthy here.
	Not just because the whole thing is juicy and weird and about a residual sex scandal and then a weird part of the paper and about a weird part of the media and a weird part of the Republican Party.
	If you listen to the rest of the tape, what you ultimately get to is General Petraeus turning down this very kind offer from the Fox News chairman to run for president and have Fox News support him all the way.
	But in the way he politely turned down Roger Ailes' advice, General Petraeus said something that I think might be very important about how the U.S. government works now and why a man such as himself might want a particular job in Washington at a time like this.
	Listen to this part of the tape.
	This is where General Petraeus makes his argument for why not just the Joint Chiefs Chairman job would be a good job, but why in particular running the CIA would be a really good job to get.
	For the hookers!
	Wait, before you play the rest, wait.
	She also, she does this thing, and she does it commonly when she's doing her news reporting.
	She says, Roger Ailes asked him this, and Murdoch asked him, no, neither one of those two guys were in the room.
	It was this woman.
	That was saying she was representing the other people, but she doesn't present it that way.
	She's when Roger Ailes made him the offer.
	Hey, John.
	We don't know that he made him an offer.
	John, you're getting really worked up about this Maddo person.
	I'm going to cut you off, man.
	I'm not going to let you talk about her anymore.
	You're getting really upset, and she's not worth it.
	Right.
	Okay, without even hearing the rest, let me paraphrase.
	There's going to be so many budget cuts in defense, it's better to be in the CIA because it's all secret.
	We can staff up and drone everybody from there.
	Is that paraphrasing?
	Well, no.
	But that's what he says.
	No, I'll give you the paraphrase.
	He says exactly what you said the first part.
	The second part was the CIA. He says the intelligence community, on the other hand, is a growth industry.
	Exactly.
	It's a growth industry.
	That's what I'm saying.
	That's where all the money is going.
	But he didn't put the kind of corrupt aspect into the play.
	They're all corrupt.
	I'm sorry.
	I just can't handle any more talk about that.
	Can I talk about some legislation that I read?
	Yeah, why don't you do that?
	Okay.
	And then I get to talk about the fiscal cliff.
	I actually have a clip myself.
	A cliff clip.
	But first...
	Monsanto.
	This is my buddy Chad there, our producer in Colorado.
	He has become, we have a really interesting relationship now, where he is a Federal Register maven.
	And he's a Federal Register maven.
	So he just, I mean, he has a job.
	He has a job.
	You know, he's an EMS fireman.
	You know, he saves people's lives and stuff.
	He loves to read the Federal Register.
	But what he does is he finds them and he says, okay, this is it.
	And then he hands it off to me.
	This is great.
	I'll read you the...
	People, you have to read your Federal Register.
	This is actually the news.
	In fact, we could start a news organization tomorrow, which would be highly entertaining, fun.
	We could present it, and it would be real news.
	Because this is where you could just sit there all day and just source stories.
	Federal Register.
	Artificially sweetened fruit jelly and artificially sweetened fruit preserves and jams proposed revocation of standards of identity.
	So what does this mean?
	The fruits and jam industry...
	Has petitioned the Food and Drug Administration for labeling.
	They don't want to have to label their products as artificially sweetened.
	And here is the FDA's response.
	We find merit in IJPA's argument that revoking the artificially sweetened standards of identity would allow manufacturers to more accurately and consistently describe the attributes of the fruit spreads that currently conform to those standards.
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	We therefore tentatively conclude that revoking the standards would promote honesty and fair dealing in the interest of consumers.
	So, instead of saying artificially sweetened, claims such as low calorie, reduced sugar...
	Reduced sugar better characterize the nutritional profile of the affected fruit spreads than the term artificially sweetened.
	And it goes on and on from there.
	Can you believe this?
	So the Food and Drug Administration, who are supposed to protect you, are allowing the change in labeling from fake sugar, artificially sweetened with chemicals, I don't know.
	I mean, if it's not...
	Artificially means not natural, I presume.
	Yeah.
	So to change that to low calorie or reduced sugar...
	We're in the wrong business, man.
	These guys.
	What a scam!
	What a scam, I'm telling you.
	That's a good one.
	Yeah, there's a couple more when we get to drones.
	I'll talk about that later.
	Well, I have a little kind of a fun clip.
	For people who wonder what we do for a living...
	There is a...
	This is what...
	And you have to play the whole clip.
	I mean, I do have it cut off.
	It doesn't go on forever.
	I think there's three items.
	We're going to go through three items.
	And every once in a while, you turn on the Senate.
	And now is what they're really doing.
	They're real business.
	Hold on a second.
	This is C-SPAN. What do we do?
	You don't have to...
	Just so you know, that's what we do.
	This goes on for hours.
	There's nobody in the place with these.
	They have to ramrod all this crap through this.
	And this clogs up the Federal Register, by the way, all these things.
	Because it all goes in.
	And this is an example of what your Senate, instead of dealing with the fiscal cliff or doing other things, they have to deal with this bull crap.
	And they do it for hours and hours and hours.
	And here is just a little clip of Carl Levin in the Senate...
	We're ramrodding a bunch of bullcrap into the Senate and into law and into, you know, whatever.
	But this is just listen to this.
	It's outrageous.
	Without objection.
	Mr.
	President, I ask unanimous consent that the HELP Committee be discharged from further consideration of SRES 600.
	The Senate proceed to its immediate consideration.
	Senate Resolution 600, supporting the goals and ideals of American Diabetes Month.
	Without objection, the committee is discharged.
	It's party time!
	It's American Diabetes Month, I tell you!
	And the Senate will proceed to the measure.
	I further ask, Mr.
	President, that the resolution be agreed to, the amendment to the preamble, which is at the desk, be agreed to, the preamble as amended, be agreed to.
	The motion should be considered, made, and laid on the table with no intervening action or debate, and that any amendments relating to the measure be printed at the appropriate place in the record as if read.
	Without objection.
	I now ask unanimous consent, Mr.
	President, that the Senate proceed to consideration of SRS 603, which was submitted earlier today.
	Look for the report.
	Center Resolution 603.
	Wimby Graves just slipped in there like, hey, and by the way, I'd like to have someone blow me under the table right now while I snort some blow of your pussy.
	Designating the week of November 26th through November 30th, 2012, as National Nurse Managed Health Clinic Week.
	You know, there's just not enough National Nurse Health Clinic Week going on.
	Managed health care.
	Yeah, right.
	We'll proceed to the measure.
	I ask unanimous consent that the resolution be agreed to, the preamble be agreed to, the motion to reconsider be laid out on the table with no intervening action or debate in any relation...
	Bullshit!
	Yes, National Nurse Managed Healthcare Week.
	Mm-hmm.
	What is the point of wasting the public's time, even Levin's or anybody's time, on this bull crap?
	And this goes on for hours.
	I know.
	I've come across it myself.
	And for what we do, you can't help but watch because you know that from time to time, there's that thing.
	There's that one thing, that one thing that they slip in.
	Yeah, exactly.
	If we had a staff of 100, can you imagine how much better than the New York Times we could do?
	I mean, or NPR, your national treasure.
	We're already doing better than NPR. Yeah, that's true.
	Well, we don't have the amount of programming.
	We can only do so much.
	Yeah, we only do five hours a week.
	Right, but that's more than enough.
	And it's listener supported, which is a lot different than anyone else is doing.
	If you had a huge staff of people, it would be a very costly enterprise.
	You'd have to take ads eventually, and then the thing would go downhill.
	Yeah, and I don't think we get to play stuff like...
	Douchebag!
	Can you imagine that if on NPR they just came out and said, Well, today we saw this Carl Levin on TV and we just thought, Hey, you know, you are a...
	Douchebag!
	That would be some outstanding programming right there.
	Yeah, they won't do it.
	No.
	Which is why...
	Well, actually, I think we should take our little break here.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to no agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	I wonder if it's in there with a douchebag.
	We do have a few donors, starting with Anonymous in Fagerans, Opland.
	I don't even know where this is.
	I'm not familiar with this.
	Fagerans?
	F-A-G-E-R-A-N-E-S, Fagerans, Fagerans, Opland.
	I have no idea.
	Is that in Opland near Finland?
	No.
	I have no idea.
	$162, whatever the case.
	Please keep my donation anonymous.
	Been listening since show 162, so I gave us $162.
	Yes, I was right.
	Opland Borders.
	It's in Norway.
	I was not...
	It sounded like a...
	Ah, good.
	Another Norway donation.
	It's a county in Norway.
	There you go.
	Now, Opland County.
	Give two to the head.
	Karma to yourselves for protection against drone attacks.
	Yeah, we'll need them.
	You've got karma.
	So, uh, and then $123.12345 from Sir Long the Good in Colleyville, Texas.
	1-2-3-4-5 need a de-douching and a karma.
	Sir Long the Good.
	You've been de-douched.
	You've got karma.
	Sir Thomas Nussbaum in Virginia Beach, Virginia 12012.
	My father passed last week.
	I drove to Missouri.
	Listened to a few episodes of scouring the AM and FM dials in the drive a couple days later.
	Thank you so much for what you both do.
	Thank you, Sir Thomas, and our condolences for you.
	He's with Saint Nicole.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Big, big, big supporters of the show.
	Sorry to hear that, Sir Thomas.
	Let me give you a little bit of karma.
	It's freebie.
	Throw it in.
	You've got karma.
	Throw it in.
	Sir Jesse Wilson, another one of our regulars, Hobart, Indiana, $100.
	Karma for my buddy Robert Reed to get a better job.
	Adam, you should read The Source Field by David Wilcock.
	I'll get right on that.
	You've got karma.
	I mean, I have nothing else to do.
	A hundred dollars from Sir El Cid Campiador.
	From Saabupa, Oklahoma.
	A round of karma for the show and all the listeners.
	El Cid Campiador.
	Big, big contributor now to the No Agenda News Network.
	Noagendanewsnetwork.com.
	Very cool stuff he comes up with.
	You've got karma.
	That stuff really helps.
	I mean, we can't find everything.
	That's why you're producers.
	You have a duty.
	Bob Genoa, or Genoa, depending, from Houston, Texas, $100.
	Please refer to me by my pseudonym, Bob Genoa.
	Okay.
	Sorry to donate after your great No Agenda show on December 2nd, which was followed by JCD's shining performance on Twit.
	No Agenda listeners get a two for that day when Twit sounded like a No Agenda show with JCD outshining everyone, even though the subjects ranged from tech news to news media and even gourmet wine.
	Adam, keep up asking John if he's going to be on Twit, because that determines whether I can listen to the stream or wait for the podcast.
	It's too bad that many will miss Mike Elgin's ringing No Agenda endorsement that was given before the show began.
	Oh, I missed that.
	What was that?
	I thought it was on there.
	He said he listens to No Agenda, and I challenged him.
	I said, no, you don't.
	He said, yeah, I listen to every show.
	And did he prove it?
	I didn't have to prove it.
	I believe him.
	Well, how come he doesn't donate, then?
	What kind of a douchebag is he?
	Maybe he does.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, I take it back, then.
	I can give him a douchebag for not donating.
	Well, he's just freeloading.
	Elegant.
	Yeah, stop freeloading.
	Benjamin Blondin in Brook Park, Ohio, 9120.
	Atlas Shrugged John.
	I don't know what that means.
	I think it means...
	Atlas Shrugged.
	By Ayn Rand.
	Matthew Parker, Park Ridge, Illinois, 8888.
	Greetings once again from the land of...
	Hold on.
	What?
	Well, once it's 8888, we've got to...
	Greetings once again from the land of Obama nuts.
	I'm Jewish and I want to start a donation opportunity for the show.
	8888 should temporarily be the official amount.
	The Hanukkah donation.
	The eight nights of Hanukkah begins.
	Very good.
	It's about time our Jewish friends stepped up to the plate.
	Cheap bastards.
	It begins the evening of Saturday, December 8th.
	And it ends in the evening.
	See, now there again.
	That was one of my better ones.
	Okay, you guys, we heard the Jewish thing you did.
	Yeah, hello!
	You're going to have to be discharged, put on probation for a week, and we'll make an announcement to the media.
	And you have to call BB Netanyahu and apologize.
	Come on, it was a joke.
	You're not a cheap bastard.
	It was a joke.
	The eight nights of Hanukkah begins on the evening of Saturday the 8th and ends the evening of the Sunday the 9th.
	John's analysis of the Democratic Party and self-loathing Jews was dead on.
	Here's my karma combo to keep the Jewish boys and girls from getting crappy gifts like underwear and socks this year.
	Extra coin for the dreidel.
	It's a dreidel game.
	Hillary delicious because the coins are chocolate with karma.
	Happy Hanukkah, slaves.
	It's guilt.
	It's guilt is what it is, I tell you.
	It's almost too delicious to believe, my friend.
	You've got karma.
	What people don't know, I'm an honorary Jew in New York.
	Yeah, it makes sense to me.
	Daniel Maragat.
	So, take that.
	Moja, someplace.
	Looks like Catalupa or something.
	I can't read.
	This is a bunch of characters on the screen.
	I can't read.
	Moja, is that maybe...
	Well, we should know.
	It's Catalonia, maybe?
	Spain?
	Could it be Catalonia?
	I think it's Spain, Catalonia, soon to be its own country.
	I bet you it's Catalonia.
	It's a possibility.
	Hold on one second.
	M-A-R-R-U-G-A-T. I believe something came in, yeah.
	Is it PayPal that can't handle double-byte encoded characters, or is it...
	Where does it go wrong in the...
	No, that's us.
	We are almost in 2013.
	We don't have the character set installed on the computer.
	Which character set?
	Whose character set?
	I don't know.
	Whatever one it is, that's the problem.
	You have to guess.
	This data comes from PayPal, and then we load it into a spreadsheet, right?
	They send it as a CSV file or an XLS? They send it as a CSV. I think they maybe have Unicode.
	I don't know what they use.
	Well, it's pissing me off because it's almost 2013.
	No, I don't think it's our fault.
	I think PayPal needs to send this property.
	Well, it's probably not our fault.
	Yeah.
	Well, I don't know why they have to put those little characters.
	It's those characters.
	Just donated $70 through PayPal, but couldn't find where to add the comment.
	Well, usually, yeah, there we go.
	Anyway, I hope this gets through John's spam filter or gets read by Adam.
	After being a boner for too long, here's my dedouching donation.
	Why $70?
	Well, it's $1 for each kilometer I ran last weekend in Saint-Antoine-Lyon.
	Oh.
	He's in France running around.
	All right.
	The mountain raid which took me and a friend of mine to say hi to Sylvia, the Italian, about nine hours to finish.
	Here's a short video, in any sense a video.
	During the flight back to Barcelona, you were right, I read The Economist, The World in 2013, and there's an interesting article about that number.
	Besides pointing out that it adds up to 33...
	I didn't think of that.
	And classifying you two as crackpots.
	Wait a minute.
	And he has some other interesting ideas which you can use as donation levels.
	And here's the article.
	And he says that.
	Plenty.
	He would need some karma to get back to Catalonia, where he needs more than just karma, apparently.
	Thanks for the show.
	And records day de Barcelona.
	Mejor.
	Right on.
	Patrick Coble in Nashville, Tennessee, closer to home, 70 bucks.
	A little sponsorship for John and his newfound voices.
	I hope you keep them up.
	Talk like somebody like this, maybe.
	Can I get some karma shot for the donors in the best podcast in the universe?
	And I need the old new You Will Obey from show 466 that has been deemed the appropriate amount, 70.
	You will obey.
	You've got karma.
	You've got karma.
	Again, I have not slept in 76 hours, and I'm banging them out here.
	I'm banging them out.
	69!
	69, dude!
	Right on the money.
	Looks like we got another 69 donation here.
	Podcast for Peace, our buddies in Alambo, California.
	Needs a dose of getting laid karma or for more.
	Hell yeah.
	You've got karma now.
	Anonymous in East Rochester, New York, 6969.
	Today's 12-5 is my 35th birthday.
	I can't think of a better way to celebrate than 6969 to the best podcast in the universe.
	Requesting some getting laid karma, coincidentally, and it seems the last time I requested it a few months ago, it must have gotten misdirected, as it has never happened because I might be an idiot.
	Oh, no.
	I don't know about that.
	Bend over.
	Keep up the great work on the show.
	You've got karma.
	One block south in Columbus, Ohio, 6969.
	It's been a long time coming, but I want to donate for a while.
	I want to thank you for supporting our podcast, The Week in Gay, on your network.
	This Week in Gay.
	This Week in Gay.
	While we are closing this podcast at the end of the year, we appreciate the support you guys have given us.
	I'd also like to wager I donate more often if I get John to talk in his sexy low voice.
	I don't want to have a sexy low voice.
	He wants a ringtone.
	He wants a ringtone.
	I would love a ringtone that says, Hey there, hot boy.
	Come pick up my bags.
	Say that again!
	Hey there, hot boy.
	Come pick up my bags.
	Oh, I'm pardoned.
	Yeah, I'll bet you are.
	No comment.
	Hold on.
	There's the hotline again.
	Yeah, okay.
	After the Jew joke, now you've got the gay joke.
	You've really got to stop offending people, Curry.
	Anyhow, I was at work the other day, and what did I receive but another email for a flu vaccine.
	I immediately went to the No Agenda show notes and replied back to my co-worker with the wonderful information I found that then realized I need to donate to you guys because of the wonderful service you provide for situations like this.
	So please de-douche me and grab me some money, Karma, so I can hopefully send more money your way.
	Thank you again for your support of the LGBT rights and for making the best podcasts in the universe.
	I don't know if we support LGBT rights.
	We like everybody.
	And we hate everybody at the same time.
	We don't discriminate about anything or anybody.
	But of course, I'm a little more gay friendly than Johnny.
	That's true.
	I just want a karma.
	You've got karma.
	I'm just more in touch with myself.
	Yeah, well, if you were that in touch, you would have de-douched the man.
	He did want to de-douche.
	You've been de-douched.
	You've got karma.
	Hey there, hot boy.
	I'm going to pick up my bags.
	I think one block south is innuendo.
	Thomas Badrick in Nutley, New Jersey.
	Hey, Nutley!
	69, Nutley!
	69, 69.
	Hey, guys, could you give me some douchebag karma to the Noodles kid with the hopes that he quits and owns his own Noodles by now?
	I need to interject real quick with a clip.
	Since Noodles was brought up, It's a short clip.
	To show you why we get these idiots like the Noodles Kid.
	If you don't know who the Noodles Kid is, then you need to go back and listen to episode 466.
	This is from a speech by a woman named Wendy Mogul.
	And she talks about the red washcloth in preschools.
	Have you heard of this phenomenon, John?
	No.
	Oh no.
	Listen.
	It also is hard work.
	Hazards make you wiser and more cautious.
	There's a new trend in preschools to have red washcloths in the supply closet.
	Anybody know about this?
	You do.
	I hope you don't have this at your school's red washcloth.
	Why?
	If a child gets a bloody nose or skins their knee, the preschool teacher can grab the red washcloth really quickly so the child will not be frightened by the sight of their own blood.
	No wonder we're building a nation of pussies.
	That's crazy.
	This woman is great, by the way.
	She wrote the, I think it's the blessing of the scraped knee and the blessing of the B-.
	Very, very, very interesting speaker.
	Although, I think she's a Berkeley Hummer.
	But this is actually true.
	This red washcloth, so that the kids, you know, they don't freak out when there's some blood on the washcloth.
	Unbelievable.
	So, talking about that sort of clip, I have a clip.
	Okay.
	So I didn't know that this clip existed.
	It was played by Sharpton.
	Poor Sharpton, by the way.
	He is so skinny now.
	And when you see him side by side, he looks like a midget.
	Well, he is very tiny, apparently.
	I didn't know that.
	But with all his weight loss, he looks like a small dwarf.
	His head is still huge.
	He used to be huge.
	People don't realize, in the 80s, Sharpton, he must have been 300 pounds.
	Yeah.
	Now he's like he's about 120.
	If.
	So he introduced this, apparently this was the viral video that got Elizabeth Warren her job.
	And it's interesting because it's the Obama rant about you all, you know, it's a socialist rant is what it is.
	But it was just like, so this is what Massachusetts is all about.
	That this went around and everyone says, I want her.
	This is Elizabeth Warren video that got her the seat.
	Okay, hold on.
	Yeah.
	You threw me off with the Sharpton thing.
	Hold on.
	In a YouTube video that quickly went viral.
	There is nobody in this country who got rich on his...
	Oh, I remember this.
	She's in someone's living room yelling this crap.
	Nobody.
	I remember it.
	Good for you, but I want to be clear.
	You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for.
	You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate.
	You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for.
	You built a factory and it turned into something terrific or a great idea.
	God bless.
	Keep a big hunk of it.
	But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next hit that comes along.
	So why do you bring this up?
	I don't quite understand.
	I think this also contributes to the noodle kid mentality.
	This kind of thing is like, you know...
	No, I think this is for big noodle kids.
	You know, this is for...
	No, I think the noodle kids is something entirely different.
	They don't even...
	No, I don't know.
	I have a hard time believing that.
	I think this is just your undercover Republican thing coming up again.
	Please.
	Please.
	David Anderson in Clayton, North Carolina.
	Oh, by the way, no, we got one more.
	One more, 6969 from Ash in Gitmo Nation East.
	The last show had me laughing out loud while being hit in the mouth by classic no-agenda media assassination.
	The last shot of Karma worked well, but I could use a top-up of two-to-the-head little-girl-yay-Karma, if you will.
	73-D-M-O-something-I don't know what that means.
	If it's meant to be anonymous, you may not want to mention his call sign.
	You've got karma.
	And as we close it out, I'm going to give some to Miss Mickey.
	A little swazzle of karma.
	We haven't seen each other for a couple weeks.
	David Anderson, Clayton, North Carolina, 6913.
	Needs a re-dedouching.
	Oh.
	It's transposed as usually 1369 for unlucky cocksucker.
	What's mean?
	Maybe a new karma donation.
	I could use some Work Biz Karma and a China ITM. I can drop it if it's been done already, this show.
	It just sounds nice.
	I could also have a birthday shout-out for Friday.
	Not sure how old I am, but I'm old enough to buy beer and too young to collect Social Security, so who cares?
	Thanks for the best podcast in the universe and all the parallel universes.
	Okay, so...
	No, just the...
	You've got karma.
	Paul Lindquist in Hammond, Wisconsin.
	50 double nickels on the 11.
	Double sticks on the nickels.
	The double nickels, I don't know.
	I haven't listened long enough to know if the double nickels refers to the best punk band ever, the Minutemen.
	I hope so.
	And keep it that way.
	I'd like to get some general karma for the crappy period in my life I heard once that you send birthday cards for birthday shoutouts.
	Well, not necessarily.
	Well, it's when Eric was still doing it.
	Eric is kind of a customer service maven, and he does stuff like that.
	Well, hold on a second.
	Don't go too fast.
	You've got karma.
	Thanks for the best podcast in the universe, he says.
	Jeffrey Hunt in Baltimore, Maryland.
	Double nickels on the dime.
	No comment.
	James B. Mann, Ringgold, Louisiana.
	Double nickels on the dime.
	Shannon Adkins in Warren, Michigan.
	Another paltry donation to the show, she says.
	$50.50.
	Tanya Wyman, Dame Tanya, New York.
	Have to pony up some well-deserved support for the best podcast in the universe.
	Please send some mega karma and hugs to Citizen X. Oh, yeah.
	We love doing that to the ladies.
	We've got karma.
	Michelle Moore in Nightdale, North Carolina.
	North Carolinians on today's show, $50.
	While attending the Formula One Grand Prix in Austin, I gave a ride to a couple that was stuck, struck, struck, waiting for a taxi that after two hours never arrived.
	As a token of their appreciation, they gave me $50.
	Wow, that's Austinized for you.
	Naturally, I thought this was a no-agenda karma in action, and I should naturally pass it on to you and thank you for all the work you do.
	I'm looking forward to whatever plans you have for the next year for those who achieve knighthood or damehood.
	Please keep up the great work, and remember, if you don't have any haters, you're not doing anything.
	Do we have haters?
	We must.
	I don't think we have any.
	No one hates us.
	Everyone loves us.
	Well...
	Yeah.
	I think that mostly.
	Mostly.
	We have a bunch of, that's why somebody bitches about us.
	I think, you know, you're being mean to Sean Hannity.
	My favorite is, my favorite is, I can't believe you didn't talk about this.
	I can't believe, I'm surprised you missed this.
	That's my favorite.
	I own a startup.
	This is Jason Green in Douglasville, Georgia.
	No, he needs karma then.
	He needs startup karma.
	Lots.
	We're building manual powered water treatment systems that...
	What?
	That treat...
	What?
	That treat enough water for communities of up to 1,500 people in developing regions.
	Cool.
	It is...
	Not a non-profit, but a rather for-profit venture relying on the good old-fashioned capitalism model.
	I'm writing off our sponsorship at the No Agenda show as an advertising expense.
	So I urge my fellow producers to visit protectorsystems.com and like us on Facebook to help me show a tangible benefit to the IRS. As an advertising expense, eh?
	We currently have 168 likes.
	If we reach 225 likes by the next show, I'll donate again.
	Protectorsystems.com!
	Protector.
	Yes.
	P-R-O-T-E-C-T-O-R. Yeah.
	Protector.
	Thank you, JCD and AC, for keeping me sane in a world of BS and douchebags.
	No jingles needed.
	Oh, well, too late.
	You got a free douchebag.
	Robert Kruger in Aliso Viejo, California, at $50, says, Douche, call out to my Canadian acquaintance, Neil.
	Douchebag.
	Who I still don't think has donated.
	I suggest instead of calling it a donation, call it a tax.
	And I'm sure Neil will donate it.
	Those Canadians aren't happy unless they're paying some sort of tax.
	I was donating anyway.
	But what I would clinch you was the 1129 impromptu song you guys came up with that was a classic.
	It was the worst song ever.
	Yes.
	If you could give me two hits to the head followed by a shut-up slave.
	Have a great holiday.
	That is a very popular one today, actually.
	Third time it was requested today.
	And Mac Harbor, LLC, in Sheboygan, Michigan.
	That'll close our segment on it.
	I might want to mention, by the way, when we talk about it, it seems that the Americans are also picking up on this idea that, text me more, baby, text me, I love it.
	Which is a disgusting situation.
	I want to talk about that in a moment, because I do have a concept there.
	But first, let us remind you, This is going to be a crazy time for us.
	Here we are.
	It's the middle of the night over in Europe.
	What time is it, honey?
	We're getting a time check here.
	What time is it?
	Time check!
	Time check!
	I want to do a weather and time.
	What?
	8.20?
	8.20 here.
	It's freezing in Amsterdam, the Netherlands.
	Snow on the ground, everybody.
	In the morning to you.
	How are you?
	You know, they opened up my bag because I have a suitcase that contains the studio.
	And you know that they're just like, what the hell is the guy doing with a slide whistle and a kazoo?
	And there's always that little paper from the Department of Homeland Security.
	What's that, baby?
	I'm sure people next door are going like, what the hell?
	Who is that guy?
	We know you're Mickey Hoogendyke, but who is that guy?
	Yes.
	So we're going to need all the help we can get because it's going to be very, very challenging times for your No Agenda show.
	But I think we're going to be bringing you some outstanding news.
	It's always great when we have a presence over here in Euroland.
	Yeah, we've got the Moroccans kicking to death a referee.
	That's a good one.
	Yeah, that's awesome.
	It's your birthday, birthday!
	On no agenda!
	Alright, well, today we say happy birthday to...
	Hold on a second, Mike.
	My birthday list is not scrolling right now.
	Ah yes, Anonymous, he congratulates himself, turned 35 yesterday.
	Mike Nikolaichuk turned 33 on the 4th.
	Paul Lindquist congratulates himself, 39 today.
	David Anderson will be celebrating tomorrow.
	And Chris Eisbach turns 42 today.
	Happy birthday from all your buddies here at the best podcast in the universe, the No Agenda Show.
	And then we have two nights, which is nice.
	We always love welcoming nights to the round table.
	You know, you can spend two nights in a teepee.
	So, you think the slide whistle was weird in the suitcase?
	What are you thinking about this puppy?
	You think they thought that was weird?
	Then I brought my sword along with me?
	You had to check that, I hope.
	Yeah, well, of course.
	I can't take it on the plane with me.
	I'm afraid to take the nail clippers on the plane, please.
	Alright, there's yours.
	I can tell.
	Alright.
	Wade Ostrander!
	And Andrew Lamesini.
	Step forward, gentlemen.
	Actually, we have two silent nights there with Wade.
	We highly appreciate your contributions to the No Agenda show, the best podcast in the university, and the amount of $1,000 or more.
	I hereby pronounce thee, Sir Wade, one of the two silent nights, and Sir Andrew.
	Night to the No Agenda roundtable.
	Gentlemen, please come on over and grab your hookers and blow, rent boys and chardonnay, hot pants and booze, wrenches and beer, Rubenes, women and rosé, gaisha and sake.
	Vodka and vanilla, gerbils and ginger ale and mutton and mead.
	All for you here as knights and...
	Mutton and mead.
	Knights and or dames, in this case just knights, of the No Agenda Round Table.
	Great to have you here.
	This is something I've been putting off for a few shows and I want to get to it.
	This is one of those things where we have disagreements.
	Actually, one of our producers sent us a note to listen to the Joe Rogan show.
	There's quite a big crossover between our audience.
	Episode 282 where they have a professor on from Berkeley.
	A German professor who pretty much has exactly, and I haven't even heard of this guy, but I've read multiple books and many, many studies, has exactly the same hypotheses, and he actually is quite adamant that you do not get AIDS from HIV, but that most people get really sick from essentially the medication that you're given.
	You have talked about this in the last number of shows.
	What do you mean you've been putting it off?
	No, no.
	What I've been putting off is these two clips I have.
	Because what we're talking about is now the...
	So let's just presume that I think that there's a lot of bull crap going on in this industry.
	And now we have this wonder drug Truvada, which I believe is going to be pushed onto every single man, woman, and child as a must-have, just like you're taking your Flintstones vitamin C, and it's all part of a set-up And so here is Lucifer Clinton,
	who is again pushing the retroviral solution to the HIV virus, which seems to be, well, I'm not going to get into, you need to look at the House of Numbers as a documentary to understand where I'm coming from, but let's first listen to Lucifer Clinton.
	Then I want the next Congress, the next Secretary of State, and our partners everywhere to know how we will contribute to achieving this goal.
	And this is on World AIDS Day, which was earlier, I think, was it the beginning of the week?
	And the result is the blueprint we are releasing today.
	And the blueprint is very important.
	Pay attention to this phrase, the blueprint.
	It lays out five goals and many specific steps we will take to accomplish those goals.
	First, we are committing to rapidly scaling up the most effective prevention and treatment interventions.
	This is a sales pitch for Truvada.
	I'm telling you, this is a sales pitch.
	She is setting everybody up for this.
	And today I can announce some new numbers that show how far we've already come.
	This year, through PEPFAR, we directly supported nearly 5.1 million people on antiretroviral treatment.
	And by the way, that's the health industry applauding in the audience.
	Thank you.
	Yeah!
	More drugs!
	More drugs!
	So in Canada, they are already one step further in the blueprint.
	They're much further than we are.
	Listen to this report about how they are rolling out Truvada and how awesome it is.
	Because basically, hey man, if you're gay and you want to go for it, you're in business.
	Steve of World AIDS Day, Montreal AIDS researchers are looking to begin a controversial study.
	It would give AIDS drugs to 400 men who don't actually have the disease but are at risk.
	Dan Halton joins us now with more.
	And Dan, this is considered the next wave in the fight against AIDS. And Deborah, it can't come any sooner.
	That's because as many as one quarter of people with HIV don't even know they have the deadly disease because they don't show any symptoms.
	So for research...
	Very important you heard what he just said.
	Anything that can boost prevention on top of condom use is critical.
	It's a troubling statistic.
	In Montreal's gay community, 13% of men are HIV positive, and that number hasn't budged, despite all the advances in treatment and public awareness.
	I am not satisfied with the status quo.
	I am not satisfied with what exists right now.
	This is like Frau Goebbels who is going to do the test.
	She's not satisfied with the test we have done.
	We need to do more tests.
	Because we're not moving forward this goal of achieving eradication of HIV transmission.
	So researchers are now looking at antiretroviral drugs not just to treat people who have HIV, but to prevent people who don't have the virus from getting it.
	Especially people at high risk, sex workers, men who have multiple partners or whose partners are HIV positive.
	In the first study of its kind in North America, Dr.
	Cécile Tremblay is testing the drug Truvada in a new way, evaluating its effectiveness for prevention on demand instead of taking a pill.
	Every day for the rest of their lives, people in the study will take it only when needed, up to two hours before sex and one day after.
	Hey, I I don't want to interrupt you, but this is exactly what you talked about when I was up in Port Angeles.
	This is a rerun.
	We hadn't played these clips.
	We had not played these clips.
	I told...
	This is my point.
	I talked about this, and now all of a sudden it's coming out.
	It's like a red book coming true in two weeks.
	These clips came out after you discussed...
	Yes.
	Yes.
	That's exactly my point.
	I get the picture.
	Okay, well, that's the point.
	You don't have to run that boring guy so long.
	But that...
	Oh, okay.
	Well, then it's in the red book.
	You got a point.
	Please, I really would like everyone to take a listen to The Joe Rogan Show.
	Episode 282.
	It's really, really good to hear the Berkeley doctor and what kind of a scam.
	What's the guy's name?
	What's the guy's name?
	Duzden, I think it is.
	Oh, that guy.
	Yeah, well, he's been...
	He's the number one patient.
	He's the first guy from the 1980s.
	He's been at Berkeley.
	84.
	He is a...
	I mean, this guy, I've heard him a million times.
	He's not saying anything new.
	He's said this before.
	He has been saying it since the 80s.
	He is a retrovirus specialist.
	That's his specialty in...
	Period.
	He knows more about retroviruses.
	He's a viable biologist, yeah.
	And he makes the claim, which nobody else seems to agree with.
	No one seems to be able to refute it.
	That's more important.
	He makes the claim that the retroviruses can't do this.
	No, he says that if you create antibodies, which is the definition of zero positive, that then the virus is over.
	It's done.
	That AIDS is not caused by HIV. That is what he's saying, and no one has been able to refute him.
	And I might point out he's still teaching in Berkeley.
	It's not like they've thrown him out.
	I agree with that part.
	But they haven't thrown out that crazy Japanese guy.
	There's about five crackpots at Berkeley, by the way, that haven't been thrown out.
	You just call him a crackpot.
	I'm just saying, do you think at any realm of possibility, could it be possible that the pharmaceutical industry has been playing a joke?
	Is that at all feasible to you?
	The pharmaceutical industry is essentially a corrupt system.
	And do you think that they would stop for a second at killing people or allowing people to be killed or feeding people drugs?
	I wouldn't argue that these points are not arguable.
	I agree with you on this, but it doesn't mean that Duzman's right.
	No.
	Because he has none of his researches.
	I mean, why hasn't it led to anything, his theories?
	I mean, this whole thing.
	You could say that, well, the pharmaceutical industries are behind everything and they beat the crap out of you, if you say anything else.
	But Dusman's been talking freely for years.
	Exactly.
	And he lost all his grants.
	I mean, he was in line for a Nobel Peace Prize.
	Not Peace Prize, for a Nobel Prize.
	He got totally shunned.
	He has no graduate students, nothing.
	He talks about this in this interview.
	It's very good.
	And if you want to find out some more background, House of Numbers, I think it's houseofnumbers.com.
	It's probably on YouTube.
	You could watch the whole documentary.
	It's very, very interesting.
	You should take a look at it.
	Yeah, well, this has been a point of debate for a decade, two decades, three decades, almost three decades, eight, nine, ten.
	But now it's finally coming through, true, and now we have this wonder drug which stops you from getting AIDS, HIV AIDS, which is always now lumped together in one word.
	And, you know, it's like, it's a money grab, and we're all going to be told we have to be on it from age five to 65.
	You watch!
	You watch.
	This is exactly what's going to happen.
	Alright.
	I'm angry about it.
	I'm just angry.
	Yeah, I've noticed.
	You and that, and me and Rachel Maddow, so what can I say?
	I got a couple clips from...
	I got a couple clips from Parliament.
	They had a...
	You mean British Parliament?
	Yeah, the British Parliament, not from the band.
	Oh.
	There's one guy, I swear to God he says butt-boy when referring to Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Prime Minister.
	Tell me he doesn't say butt-boy.
	May I say, Mr.
	Speaker, what a pity not to see the Honourable Member for Mid-Bedfordshire in her place.
	Back from the jungle.
	She may not have succeeded in talking for the nation on many things, but she did speak for the nation when she called the Prime Minister and the Chancellor two arrogant posh boys who don't know the price of milk.
	No wonder this Prime Minister keeps on losing his temper, Mr.
	Speaker, because his worst nightmare is coming true.
	Not snakes, not snakes and spiders in the jungle, but their fiscal rule broken, their economic credibility in tatters, exposed now as incompetent and unfair.
	Yes, Mr.
	Speaker, he's the Chancellor.
	Can't someone get him out of here?
	I don't know if he said, but boy.
	The only possibility is he may have said busboy.
	I'm thinking something like that, maybe.
	They're talking about George Osborne, who had a presentation, and he is a real up-and-comer, it looks like, if you watch him speak.
	You don't think so?
	He's been around forever.
	He's a commie lefty, and he was in, I'm a celebrity, get me out of here.
	That's what they're referring to with spiders in the jungle.
	Really?
	I didn't know that.
	That was Osborne?
	That's funny.
	He's a blowhard.
	Well, he's a butt boy then.
	So, talking about, if you want to see somebody just lay into him though, Mr.
	Dennis Skinner just doesn't have any questions.
	He just has nothing good to say at all about this guy.
	Mr Dennis Skinner.
	When the cheering has died down on the budget statement, just like on previous occasions, like in 2010, when he made his first statement, when it was strict bare, it was a totally different story.
	Then, in 2010, he promised to massively cut the deficit, and here we are, two and a half years later, he's cut the nurses and cut the National Health Service.
	This posh boy never changes.
	Now, instead of being a bullying boy that wrecks the hotel rooms, now, as Chancellor of the Exchequer, he wrecks the economy!
	And time he went!
	I'm not sure that personal attack warrants a proper reply.
	Mary McLeod.
	That was incorrect.
	It was not Osborne, that was Galloway, and he was on Big Brother.
	Oh, Galloway, okay.
	I'm sorry, my mistake.
	So, the thing I kind of liked about that clip is that apparently some guys on one of the sides of the aisle, they went, whoo!
	It's quite funny.
	That's how we roll.
	This is all bull crap, though.
	This charade, this whole parliament.
	Charade.
	Charade.
	Right on schedule.
	Alright, can I just...
	I know you have some fiscal cliff stuff to talk about.
	Ah!
	Why don't we just keep playing that?
	I would just like to play one short clip and...
	No, I'll give you my opinion first and I'll have a guy prove that my opinion is right.
	This whole conversation, I'm sure you've heard it everywhere in the world now.
	America's on the fiscal cliff.
	This whole thing is set up...
	It's only about who's going to get blamed.
	Taxes are going to go up for everybody.
	There's going to be no comprehensive deal.
	We're going to get shafted.
	Both sides in America know it.
	It's planned.
	It is our version of austerity, except instead of like in Europe, where the government stands up and says, well, slaves, we're going to have to austere you.
	Here they go, oh, those guys are doing it.
	No, those guys are doing it.
	So instead of going out there and protesting our government and telling them that they're all a bunch of douchebags for selling us down the river, we play along with this game of who's to blame, whether it's the right or the left.
	And here's Howard Dean, a guy on the left, saying exactly that.
	Nothing could be more clear that this administration means what they say about getting what they want at this point.
	Yeah, the only problem is, and this is initially going to seem like heresy from our progressives, the truth is everybody needs to pay more taxes, not just the rich.
	That's a good start, but we're not going to get out of this deficit problem unless we raise taxes across the board, to go back to what Bill Clinton had in his taxes.
	And if we don't do that, the problem is the pressure's going to be on spending even more.
	So, that is exactly what's going to happen.
	And it's all going to be hidden under...
	And we're just going to go like, oh, well, they couldn't work it out.
	Yeah, it's all...
	Well, they couldn't work it out.
	I'm all in on this concept that it's going to happen one way or the other.
	And right now, though, the White House has it all on their side.
	Because if we go over the cliff, taxes go up.
	If we don't go over the cliff, we would have to make some sort of a deal with Obama.
	Which means taxes go up.
	So taxes are going up, but the kind of taxes that are going to go up going over the cliff are more annoying than whatever Obama's proposed, because Obama kind of fakes it a little bit.
	He tries to make it look good.
	But we have this thing called the alternative minimum tax.
	Explain that.
	into play every so often and it's like a a thing that they they pulled this stunt i didn't realize that until i heard this lecture from this professor on c-span uh discussing how they slipped this thing back into play in 2002 and it was the budget balancer for for the bogus
	it turns out bush tax cuts because the book bush tax cuts look good on paper and they keep talking about the bush tax cuts but with the alternative minimum tax in play which is a horrible uh thing i've paid it a number of times.
	It is a major, major screw job.
	I don't understand.
	When do you have to pay it?
	What did you do that you had to pay alternative minimum tax?
	Do you don't make enough, or how does that work?
	No, if you make a certain amount of money, there's a little moment where you have to do a recalculation on the taxes.
	Right now, the alternative minimum tax, I think, kicks in at something over $250,000, $300,000.
	It's pretty high.
	Well, no worries here.
	When did you pay that?
	I paid it when I've made that much.
	Really?
	Not with me, honey.
	No, it's true, but it's not made that much.
	Ever since you've been with me, it's been bad sailing.
	We're working on it.
	We try.
	It's a big difference when you're doing public service.
	So anyway, so the point is that...
	You posh boy!
	You want to hear about the alternative minimum tax or what money I made in the past?
	Let's talk about your money that you made in the past.
	I lost it all.
	I spent it.
	Yeah, well, fine.
	But if you were in the United States making that money, you'd be paying the alternative minimum tax.
	The reason why I lost it all is because I didn't file in the United States and they came and they sued me and they took all my money away.
	Well, welcome to the United States.
	So the alternative minimum tax essentially recalculates your tax, but takes away all your standard deductions.
	It essentially says, take the same money that you made and extract all the standard deductions, mortgages, everything, and make the calculation again.
	Oh, no, is it higher than the other number?
	Well, then you have to pay this.
	So here's the A, which is the alternative minimum tax.
	And everybody's going to get stuck with this.
	And it looks as if the alternative minimum tax, the way it's set up now, if we go over the cliff, is going to drop anyone who makes less than $70,000, or around there, it's going to increase the number of people who paid the alternative minimum tax in 2011 from $4 million to 30 million people.
	It's a huge money grab, and it's not discussed by either party.
	Neither party has discussed this, and that's what makes me think that both parties are in collusion to screw us.
	And if we go over the cliff or not over the cliff, we're going to get screwed because nobody's discussing it.
	Now, here's the professor with a little bit of the AMT rundown that was discussed on C-SPAN. The alternative minimum tax is 28%.
	So what you're saying is after 2001, if your tax rate was lowered to 25% or something, you still had to pay the AMT, which is 28%.
	That is correct, but you're wrong.
	For incomes between $200,000 and $500,000, the AMT effective tax rate is 35%.
	Okay.
	So you hit the 35% rate in the AMT at incomes far lower than the income levels at which you would hit the 35% rate in the regular tax.
	There's this bizarre rate structure.
	Why do they call it a patch?
	They call it a patch because it's an ad hoc, one-time, Year by year.
	Patch to stop the broad expansion of the AMT. You could ask, why do they call it a cliff?
	They have discussed this in terms of the patch.
	And it's been a year-by-year increase in the exemption.
	The patch is nothing but an increase in the AMT exemption to prevent tens of millions of people From being forced to fill out the return that you have listed there.
	The only thing I would add is the patch.
	What makes this so critical in the fiscal cliff discussion is we are talking about the patch for the 2012 taxable year.
	Unlike the rest of the fiscal cliff, which affects tax rates that will apply next year, The patch applies to the return that we will all have to file early next year.
	So if there is not congressional action here, there is an abrupt increase in tax on the 2012 taxable year.
	In 2011, approximately 4 million people paid the AMT. If there's not a patch, 30 million people will be required to pay the AMT in 2012 for the current taxable year.
	Okay, so here's the problem.
	You can stop it.
	You can get kind of the idea.
	The problem is that if we take one day into past January 1st and then say, oh, we'll fix it tomorrow...
	It won't make any difference.
	It's already done.
	Yeah, because this applies to 2012.
	If we go past January 1st and you fix the whole fiscal cliff thing after the fact, it doesn't make any difference.
	Because once January 1st hits, then everything's in play for the IRS and the tax year.
	And that means we're going to all be paying this ridiculous high rate of tax, 35% over whatever you're paying now.
	Generally speaking, almost probably half the audience that listens to this show will be caught in this 30 million person quagmire.
	You probably, too.
	And you're not going to notice until we see what happened to my taxes.
	And this is a complete outrageous scam that zero people are discussing.
	I mean, I knew about it kind of, but then when I heard this...
	This guy's boring, let's face it, but he did lecture for hours on this thing, and he had other things to say about it.
	If you get on the AMT, it changes the way you take capital gains.
	It changes everything.
	You are so screwed if they don't fix this fiscal cliff thing that it's going to be unbelievable.
	It's a scam of the highest order.
	So the reason why you don't hear about this...
	It is indeed because it's incredibly boring and people don't understand it.
	And obviously the news media doesn't understand it.
	But more importantly, you've got to sex it up.
	So, how about, let's try this.
	Hey, we're going over the Fistil Cliff, everybody, with the AMT! See, that gets your attention.
	Now I'm excited about this AMT. I should have done a sweetened clip.
	By the way, I would like to point out that before we started this show, the IRS came after me for $143,000.
	It took me years.
	They put a lien on everything I owned, my salary at Mevio, everything.
	I literally did not earn any money for two years.
	I finally was able to resolve it.
	This is where all my money meant.
	$40,000 in legal fees.
	And to this day, it stays on your record, a tax lien, for seven years.
	You know what my credit score is, which I evaluated because I wanted to get a car loan?
	You know what my credit score is?
	320!
	I can't borrow enough money to buy an egg!
	When I was a kid, they didn't have credit scores.
	People took, you know, you went in and visited and they said, well, this is a good guy.
	We'll loan him some money.
	This credit score thing is a total scam.
	And you know what they said?
	They all said, you don't have enough trade lines.
	What does that mean?
	Well, you haven't borrowed enough money.
	So I haven't borrowed any money.
	I don't owe anybody anything.
	I just want to buy my wife a nice car and I can't afford it right now.
	And I'll buy it on the never-never.
	And at least I'll buy it.
	I don't want to lease it.
	No.
	Sorry.
	You can't do that.
	Shut up!
	No, you have a credit score of 320, and what's this?
	Oh, no, this thing is on your record.
	Maybe in two years when it's gone, when it's not on your record, then maybe.
	But you have to have some more trade lines.
	So you should go get a Pier 1 card.
	Seriously.
	Honey, I hope you like your Range Rover.
	Well, welcome.
	I'm getting stink-eyed.
	Well, welcome to the world that we...
	Welcome to the world of high finance.
	There you go.
	There you have it.
	Maybe it will be...
	Oh, actually, I got one short clip on the fiscal clip taken from the long seven-minute clip, which we're not going to play, because it's Mitch McConnell.
	But I think Mitch McConnell has a little summary here, or at least it's something I decided to cut it, which is McConnell on the fiscal clip short version.
	It's eight minutes!
	Oh, short version.
	Not that one.
	That's Mitch McConnell on fiscal clip, long end of the show clip.
	Is this going to be interesting?
	Is this going to be any good?
	It's only up to 30 seconds.
	Just play it.
	Okay, that was McConnell on the fiscal cliff.
	Oh, man, I had the perfect mix.
	Yeah, you did.
	I thought you were just going to stop it there.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm not some kind of a-hole.
	I'm not saying I'm going to do it again here.
	Incredibly, many top Democrats, including the president, seem perfectly happy.
	Perfectly happy.
	To go off the cliff.
	That's why the president has been more interested in campaign rallies than actually negotiating a deal.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	They don't care.
	They do not care.
	They just want to suck you dry, take all of your money.
	And by the way, Europe, same thing for you.
	Except only here...
	Well, can I ask you a question?
	Let me ask you something.
	Yeah.
	Why do so many people in the public itself, including those a-holes on MSNBC, that go on and on, and this was actually discussed on some other show I saw.
	In California, for example, we had Proposition 30 in this last election, and the proposition essentially said, do you want to pay more state taxes?
	Did people say yes?
	And it passed!
	Yeah, it passed.
	People said yes?
	Yes, it passed.
	Proposition 3 in California passed.
	John, get out.
	Get out while you can.
	Get out.
	Come to Texas.
	Get out.
	But this is all over the country.
	People are saying, yeah, yeah, tax me more.
	Tax me more.
	Obama wants more taxes.
	Yeah, well, let's give it to him.
	You know, I don't get it.
	Wow.
	So you have to explain it to me.
	Well...
	I can't.
	But I can give you very good news because there is help for you.
	You may have a closet in your home spilling over with Christmas decorations.
	Maybe it's a drawer designated for junk.
	For some people, it's a much bigger problem.
	Hoarding is now being officially recognized as a mental condition.
	There you go.
	It's in the DSM-5, John.
	Hoarding is now a mental condition.
	What about archiving?
	Well, if you can convince someone it's archiving, then you're good to go.
	It's just, it's unbelievable.
	This DSM-5 is great.
	But you can get some good drugs because of it.
	Because, you know, it's just a minor issue.
	Let me do a quick little...
	And now, back to real news.
	Of course, the number one news, the most important news in the entire universe is Kate is puking.
	And everyone's talking about it, but here's how bad it really is.
	Day three of what's becoming perhaps the most talked about pregnancy since Bethlehem.
	Really?
	Is that what it is?
	The most talked about pregnancy since Bethlehem?
	Brother.
	No wonder we are...
	The best podcast in the universe!
	So, Hillary gave some speech recently, and they had a tribute to her great performance as a Secretary of State for all her accomplishments.
	What were they, by the way?
	I don't know.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	We have one of our accomplishments right here.
	So, I mean, that is the land of unconfirmed.
	Yes, we came, we saw, he died.
	That's one of our many accomplishments.
	Yeah, very good.
	So they made a movie, Hey Geography, about Hillary.
	I got just the last clip of it.
	You don't want to hear the whole thing.
	And this goes on and on with her new theme song.
	She's already running for president.
	Human rights, human dignity.
	The world.
	More countries may have the same extraordinary good fortune that we've had.
	As someone who knows a thing or two about political comeback, I can tell you, I don't think we've heard the last of Hillary Clinton.
	Oh man, I'm going to throw up!
	Was this video someone cut for her?
	Yeah.
	Girl, you're amazing just to...
	I'm throwing up!
	I just have an instinct.
	The best is yet to come.
	Yay!
	Joining me now, The Washington Post, Philip Rucker and Jonathan Capehart.
	Jonathan, there's nothing campaign-like about that video at all, is there?
	No, come on!
	She's leaving her term as Secretary of State.
	She's arguably been one of the best that we've had in a while.
	She's loved by...
	In a while.
	Lots of people around the world, particularly foreign leaders.
	And so there she is at this forum filled with friends of hers.
	And so there's a tribute video for her saying, you know, job well done, you're terrific.
	And just a couple people saying, oh, who knows what's next for her?
	Well, of course, who knows what's next for her?
	Because she's a young woman who's going to hopefully take some time off, put her feet up and relax for a little bit before entertaining ideas about 2016 when we're still in 2012.
	She's an old hag.
	She's a young woman is the new meme.
	She's an old hag.
	October of October this year, she collects Social Security.
	What kind of young woman is 66 years old collecting Social Security?
	Young woman?
	I'm not going to be ageist about it because it's not about age.
	She's just a hag to me, no matter what.
	No, it's not about age, but you don't call somebody a young woman Who's 66?
	It's wrong.
	It's so wrong.
	It's just not right.
	We can't do that.
	By the way, good news, John.
	Good news.
	We just got a message here from John Leonard from Wichita, Kansas, one of our supporters on the show.
	He says he will finance me for a dune buggy golf cart regardless of my credit score.
	Mickey, you're going to look great riding around Austin.
	Here I come, look out!
	What's that?
	A pink one?
	So while you're moaning about the Hillary song, play the latest hot song, which is going to be all over the place, Sing for the Climate.
	Sing for the Climate.
	No, no.
	It's a clip.
	It's a clip.
	And we need to start right now.
	We need to build a better future.
	And we need to start right now.
	Okay.
	Sing for...
	Singfortheclimate.com Yes, 5% of the Belgian population came out into the streets and sang the song.
	Today at the Doha Summit, we went to a news conference where major climate negotiators from Belgium and the European Union sang this song as well.
	Oh, okay.
	There must be a music video.
	Yeah, it's on Sing for the Climate.
	And it's the same lyrics.
	We need to build a better future and we need to start right now.
	That's basically the whole lyrics and the whole thing.
	And it sounds like some sort of a Russian marching tune.
	Well, now I want our own Sing for the Climate song.
	We can do better than that.
	I mean, come on.
	That sucks.
	This is the problem.
	When you want to communicate something...
	Well, hello!
	CurryDvorakConsultingGroup.com, people.
	What is wrong with you?
	You're not going to get some babushka song when you want to get the kids hip to something.
	If you want to indoctrinate people with your Agenda 21, call us.
	Okay?
	Call us.
	We'll get Kevin Reeves on it.
	We'll get some dudes who know how to write a song.
	That blows!
	You know what I'm saying?
	I mean, you know, when you want to...
	Play another little piece of it.
	It's catchy.
	No, no.
	This is the kind of thing you want.
	Something like this.
	You want like...
	This is what you want.
	Naturally.
	Something you can sing along to.
	Not like some babushka track.
	Beatlesy.
	It's not Beatles.
	I love how people think that I don't know that it's Gilbert O'Sullivan.
	And they'll say, hey man, this is the song that John doesn't think is the Beatles.
	No.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Let me...
	Oh, yes.
	On Agenda 21, the NOAA, the National Oceanographic Architectural A-Hole Institute.
	What does the NOAA stand for?
	National Oceanographic Atmospheric Administration or something like that.
	Those guys.
	So they're even saying, yes, 2012 was an active hurricane year, but not exceptionally so.
	We've had 10 busier years in the last three decades.
	So remember all the reporting on the last show that we did?
	Yeah, it's ridiculous.
	And then Sir Dave sent me a nice note.
	He says, now remember we were listening to the iceberg footage of the iceberg crapping apart and it sounded like a roller coaster?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So he says, the iceberg footage you saw is stock footage.
	What happens is large cruise ships every year pull up to the interglacial areas and wait for pieces of the ice to break off.
	It's called the Calvert Cat Cafe, and it's a big tourist thing, and everyone goes there, because it happens every single year, of course.
	No, it's been going on for decades.
	Yeah.
	But that's what the cheering was.
	It was stock footage of tourists.
	Oh, that's what this noise was.
	So we thought it was like, you know, like people going, oh, oh, we're all going to die from global warming.
	But it's really just some stock footage.
	Someone jammed in there and they left the sound up of the tourists all screaming from the cruise ship.
	This is how stupid ABC News is.
	Well, yes.
	So I got just one little short clip.
	You know, my wife is Mimi.
	Yes.
	And you know how you spell Mimi?
	Mimi.
	I would say M-I-M-I. Right.
	Well, it's on the screen.
	He's reading a tweet from some woman named Mimi.
	And it's just some idiotic thing.
	Who's he?
	He is Mushmouth Sharpton.
	And I couldn't get any really good stuff, but I did get this.
	His pronunciation of Mimi is quite unique.
	She loves the presidential seal on the cover of that laptop.
	I agree, Mimmy.
	We've got more on Speaker Boehner's offer coming up next with Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders.
	But first, we want to hear what you think.
	Mimmy?
	Mimmy.
	Mimmy?
	Mimmy.
	The guy's an idiot.
	Alright, I've had it.
	I literally cannot go anymore.
	I'm tired.
	I think you should go to bed.
	Well, now I've got to post-produce the show.
	I've got to pull out all the crap where we were rolling around fixing Skype and everything.
	Then I've got to upload it.
	Then you'll be up for a while.
	Then and only then.
	And then tomorrow we've got to find a place to live.
	And then Sunday we'll do another show.
	Alright!
	But we will have news here from the lowland, so I am kind of excited about that.
	You know, although it's weird not being home.
	It's weird closing up the place.
	Saying, okay, goodbye home.
	Not sure when we'll be back.
	As we are on the lam and on the run from the authorities.
	Janet Napolitano under siege.
	Does that sound scary enough?
	It's close.
	I'd have to sweeten it.
	Anyway, thanks everybody for bearing with us today and we will bear witness with you on Sunday.
	Coming to you from Amsterdam and Gitmo Nation lowlands for now.
	Who knows what it will be soon.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	I'm looking forward to getting the broadcast done out of a teepee on a deserted island near the Holland...
	I'm in Northern Silicon Valley.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We'll talk again on Sunday, right here on No Agenda.
	The best podcast in the universe!

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